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By selected demographics, the following graph compares whether the disease or the putative cure is perceived to be the greater threat. The figures are arrived at by taking the percentages identifying Covid-19 as a greater risk than adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccines and subtracting from it the percentages identifying the cure as a bigger problem than the disease:

Joe Rogan’s advice against vaccination for healthy people in their twenties is shared by half or more of the people it was directed towards.

Thomas Sowell’s Black Rednecks and White Liberals strikes again. Go ahead Karen, tell Tyrone what an idiot he is. We’ll wait.

 
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  1. Can you make an actual argument against the vaccine for those of us who don’t instinctively trust anything Tyrone and Clevon say?

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Alexander Turok

    There’s ample information on this website alone, if you’re sincere. But it sounds like you’ve already been shepherded, or at least cemented, into your view by wanting not to be like “Tyrone and Clevon.”

    This is an example of what I am talking about in my other comment now in moderation.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @Alexander Turok

    https://cache.escapistmagazine.com/2019/07/turok-escape-from-lost-valley-art.jpg

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    , @anon
    @Alexander Turok

    The train is fine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tInDH2FeXaM

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

  2. … whether the disease or the putative cure is perceived to be the greater threat.

    In an overheated environment of pervasive propaganda and lies—in which sometimes, incredibly, information from pseudonymous commenters at Unz proves to be better balanced or more reliable than information from the great American institutions of the media, it would seem to me that the only reasonable answer to such a question for most respondents should be, “I don’t know.”

    Unfortunately, the pollster (who of course might be one of the aforementioned propagandists or liars but let us take it, as a working assumption, that he is not) apparently did not accept “I don’t know” as an answer to this question. One may infer from adjacent questions however that the “I don’t know” figure might be about 21 percent.

    What really bothers me ( will have a field day with this one) is that the “I don’t know” figure for white college graduates is as low as 9 percent. I suppose that one should already have given up the prejudice that a U.S. college education were associated with critical thinking, but either I am not a critical thinker or 91 percent of my fellow college graduates are not.

    It must be that I am not. As you know, I taught college ten years and am quite sure that more than 9 percent of my undergraduates were critical thinkers. The figure in my experience was not as high as one would like, but was considerably better than 9 percent.

    Anyway, regarding the overall “I don’t know” figure at 21 percent: one does not wish to be one of those curmudgeons who curses his fellow citizens as “idiots” just because they have given an answer one dislikes, yet I would feel more comfortable with the good sense and balanced judgment of my fellow citizens if the “I don’t know” figure were 61, 71 or 81 percent rather than 21 percent. Wouldn’t you?

    As for me, I suspect that the vaccine is safer, but then I contracted actual COVID in December and like most such persons have fortunately recovered; so, really, what do I know?

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @V. K. Ovelund

    A very good comment. I am one of those leaning away from the shot(s), but share your bewilderment over people allowing themselves to be herded into binary conclusions.

    The polls themselves drive this tendency, amplifying each and every issue with racial, political, and other identities into which we’re constantly Divided & Conquered. Has anyone ever studied how larding up polls about something like a personal health decision with such extraneous questions affects people’s responses?

    One thing that I’m not ambivalent about: Red+Blue politics are for the sheep.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    In an overheated environment of pervasive propaganda and lies—in which sometimes, incredibly, information from pseudonymous commenters at Unz proves to be better balanced or more reliable than information from the great American institutions of the media, it would seem to me that the only reasonable answer to such a question for most respondents should be, “I don’t know.”
     
    To be honest the most reasonable and honest answer that most people could give on most of the vital issues of the day is, “I don’t know.”

    And I agree that it is worrying that so many people are so certain that they know the answers. Educated people are the ones who should be aware that on any subject outside their own specialty they cannot be certain of the answers on most important issues. Having an MBA does not give a person the certain knowledge that climate change is real or not real. Having a law degree does not give a person the certain knowledge that reducing carbon emissions will make any actual difference. Having a degree in English Literature does not qualify a person to give a firm opinion on whether the debt really matters or not. Being an engineer offers no insights into whether mask-wearing works or not.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  3. @V. K. Ovelund

    ... whether the disease or the putative cure is perceived to be the greater threat.
     
    In an overheated environment of pervasive propaganda and lies—in which sometimes, incredibly, information from pseudonymous commenters at Unz proves to be better balanced or more reliable than information from the great American institutions of the media, it would seem to me that the only reasonable answer to such a question for most respondents should be, “I don't know.”

    Unfortunately, the pollster (who of course might be one of the aforementioned propagandists or liars but let us take it, as a working assumption, that he is not) apparently did not accept “I don't know” as an answer to this question. One may infer from adjacent questions however that the “I don't know” figure might be about 21 percent.

    What really bothers me (@dfordoom will have a field day with this one) is that the “I don't know” figure for white college graduates is as low as 9 percent. I suppose that one should already have given up the prejudice that a U.S. college education were associated with critical thinking, but either I am not a critical thinker or 91 percent of my fellow college graduates are not.

    It must be that I am not. As you know, I taught college ten years and am quite sure that more than 9 percent of my undergraduates were critical thinkers. The figure in my experience was not as high as one would like, but was considerably better than 9 percent.

    Anyway, regarding the overall “I don't know” figure at 21 percent: one does not wish to be one of those curmudgeons who curses his fellow citizens as “idiots” just because they have given an answer one dislikes, yet I would feel more comfortable with the good sense and balanced judgment of my fellow citizens if the “I don't know” figure were 61, 71 or 81 percent rather than 21 percent. Wouldn't you?

    As for me, I suspect that the vaccine is safer, but then I contracted actual COVID in December and like most such persons have fortunately recovered; so, really, what do I know?

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @dfordoom

    A very good comment. I am one of those leaning away from the shot(s), but share your bewilderment over people allowing themselves to be herded into binary conclusions.

    The polls themselves drive this tendency, amplifying each and every issue with racial, political, and other identities into which we’re constantly Divided & Conquered. Has anyone ever studied how larding up polls about something like a personal health decision with such extraneous questions affects people’s responses?

    One thing that I’m not ambivalent about: Red+Blue politics are for the sheep.

    • Agree: SunBakedSuburb
    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Greta Handel

    As recently as a month or two ago, I would probably have disagreed with you.


    One thing that I’m not ambivalent about: Red+Blue politics are for the sheep.
     
    However, I have been reading The Epoch Times during recent months and, especially, have been reading the Red/MAGA echo chamber of Epoch's paid-subscription reader-comment threads. Here is an arbitrary sample:

    [+7] Biden’(SHOULD) be sued for being anti-American’! Resident Biden”!
     

    [+9] The Biden Administration is an illegitimate and corrupt international crime ring that is causing harm to America, its citizens, and allies.
     

    [+9] If they were smart they would use those funds to raise State Sanctioned Militias for that are just as well trained, funded and equipped as the US military.

    Stay close to God.
     

    [+12] Empty Suit.. Time to leave Biden, no body likes you or wants you
     

    [+8] Don’t pay anymore federal taxes, Texans.
     

    [+17] The leftist Democrat military acts against the best interests of America and Israel.
     

    [+19] The explanation given for the removal of U.S. troops is pure bull [expletive].

    I want to see Jews in America pay closer attention to the deeds of democrat leadership and not their words with regards to Israel.

    They are being fooled once again.

    Never again?
     

    [+11] Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh what did they do to this country?!? #ISTANDWITHISREAL
     

    [+10] That’s all the signal the terrorists need from Joe Biden’s America. Our ally now stands alone If we don’t have Israel back how must Taiwan feel!
     

    [+10] Abandoning our commitments [to Israel] further showing how weak we are with Biden, China, Russia and Iran are taking note.
     

    [+10] Turn all of Gaza into one big pile of rubble.
     

    [+9] Fight with Israel!!! Biden is going straight to hell! Biden bowing to terrorists but he talks all big and bad to the greatest POTUS ever, POTUS Trump. Biden is the filth on the bottom of my shoe.
     

    [+8] Seek and destroy. Israel needs to wipe out the terrorist scum. Forget what the world thinks. Most of the international community including Joebama is antisemitic. Those who condemn Israel for defending itself is a bigot. Israel didn’t start this fight but needs to eradicate Hamas once and for all.
     

    [+8] Why doesn’t the whole world just bomb the [expletive] out of Iran ?

    Decades of terrorism and stupid ass leaders , do away with them completely

    !!!

    [+1] And China!
     

     

    [+7] Bible prophesy being fulfilled!!!!

    Israel will stand alone with God.
     

    [+2] Wipe the [Palestinian] animals out…How many times have you warned them? Enough talk. These barbarians Hamas only understand force. Time to eradicate them like the cockroaches they are…Yet Omar, Thalib & the other Marxists defend these in human scum!
     
    I like the MAGApedes a lot, and am not here to ridicule them for limited literacy (for I write my share of malaprops and other assorted misplaced words, as well), but more than a few of the MAGApedes' sentiments are just unhinged.

    In short, I am beginning to suspect that you might be right about Red+Blue.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @dfordoom

  4. The vaccination propaganda campaign has left me generally depressed, but polls such as this offer a ray of hope. If the people pushing the experimental unapproved vaccine are finally confronted with the reality that the people they claim to treasure most (blacks, Hispanics) just won’t listen to their betters and “take the jab,” perhaps they’ll have to give up and leave the rest of us alone. A result devoutly to be wished for!

    • Agree: Jay Fink
    • Replies: @216
    @Diversity Heretic

    Blacks and Hispanics, except for the Professionals; are not represented in the Culture Industry.

    Once WW College are converged, everyone else follows, because they are the electoral and cultural tipping point.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Diversity Heretic

    They won't take it because of white supremacy--the Tuskegee experiment that vanishingly few of them have actually heard of and that wasn't anything like as bad as it is made out to be--though. It's still the fault of deplorables, it always is.

  5. It’s been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution we have been subjected to over the last decade and a half or so, and this chart is just another brick in the wall in that regard.

    We have a culture in which women are told their aspirations in life should mirror those of men when it comes to sex and work, and they should suppress the natural urge to form a lasting relationship and start a family while still relatively young and healthy. It runs contrary to very deep instincts and results in tens of millions of deeply unhappy women who turn to politics and general hall monitor behavior as a counter to the lack of fulfillment they have in their lives.

    Millennials appear to have even lower marriage rates than Gen X, which does not bode well for the decades ahead.

    • Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident
    @Arclight

    Women have the instincts to love and nurture. This should be directed towards their children, but in the case where children are nonexistent it gets directed towards blacks, immigrants, gays, or any group that women perceive as oppressed or in need of a hug. Of course, the media gaslighting them on all of these issues doesn't help.

    , @prime noticer
    @Arclight

    "It’s been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution"

    they're just shock troops for jewish intellectuals, like africans. they do what the jewish intellectuals convince them to do.

    they listen to whoever is the strongest social influence and behave accordingly. when it was the church, they were nebbishes. now it's people telling them to destroy the west. so they do.

    european men steadily lost control of their women by virtue of the expanding welfare state, then allowing them to vote.

    , @Alexander Turok
    @Arclight


    It’s been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution we have been subjected to over the last decade and a half or so, and this chart is just another brick in the wall in that regard.
     
    Vaccination existed and was non-controversial before 2000. The problem is room temperature IQ genuises thinking they get an opinion on things like the safety of vaccines.

    We have a culture in which women are told their aspirations in life should mirror those of men when it comes to sex and work, and they should suppress the natural urge to form a lasting relationship and start a family while still relatively young and healthy. It runs contrary to very deep instincts and results in tens of millions of deeply unhappy women who turn to politics and general hall monitor behavior as a counter to the lack of fulfillment they have in their lives.
     
    Do they have such an urge? Consider Tinder. It was based on the gay-bang app Grindr. I'm sure a lot of people said "oh, this ain't gonna work, young women aren't at all like gay men!"

    Replies: @216

  6. @Arclight
    It's been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution we have been subjected to over the last decade and a half or so, and this chart is just another brick in the wall in that regard.

    We have a culture in which women are told their aspirations in life should mirror those of men when it comes to sex and work, and they should suppress the natural urge to form a lasting relationship and start a family while still relatively young and healthy. It runs contrary to very deep instincts and results in tens of millions of deeply unhappy women who turn to politics and general hall monitor behavior as a counter to the lack of fulfillment they have in their lives.

    Millennials appear to have even lower marriage rates than Gen X, which does not bode well for the decades ahead.

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @prime noticer, @Alexander Turok

    Women have the instincts to love and nurture. This should be directed towards their children, but in the case where children are nonexistent it gets directed towards blacks, immigrants, gays, or any group that women perceive as oppressed or in need of a hug. Of course, the media gaslighting them on all of these issues doesn’t help.

  7. So college indoctrinated kens & karens, geezers and dems are the most covid fearful – who’d a thunk?

  8. @Alexander Turok
    Can you make an actual argument against the vaccine for those of us who don't instinctively trust anything Tyrone and Clevon say?

    https://youtu.be/sP2tUW0HDHA?t=62

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Thorfinnsson, @anon

    There’s ample information on this website alone, if you’re sincere. But it sounds like you’ve already been shepherded, or at least cemented, into your view by wanting not to be like “Tyrone and Clevon.”

    This is an example of what I am talking about in my other comment now in moderation.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Greta Handel

    I do agree with Tyrone and Clevon about a lot of things, this "round-Earth" theory for instance.

    All I've seen is some stoner-tier non-logic about "how can you put, like, chemicals in your body dude, and you know companies made a profit off of these vaccines?" At least the original anti-vaxxers had the p-hacked statistics about autism.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Greta Handel, @Usura

  9. Thomas Sowell’s Black Rednecks and White Liberals strikes again. Go ahead Karen, tell Tyrone what an idiot he is. We’ll wait.

    I say:

    Thomas Sowell can go straight to Hell!

    Ephraim Givens is of my blood and Givens is Scotch-Irish with or without the Mc.

    I wrote this about Thomas Sowell in June of 2019:

    Thomas Sowell is just as much of a Black Boob as Tennessee Coates.

    Remember, Thomas Sowell viciously attacked the Scotch-Irish people by suggesting that Black criminality and Black violence were learned behaviours that the Black slaves on plantations aped from their Scotch-Irish plantation overseers.

    Thomas Sowell would have you believe that Blacks were innocent little lambs of a sweet nature until such time as they had exposure to the violently psychotic Scotch-Irish slave plantation overseers!

    Go To Hell, Tommy Sowell!

    It is the Scotch-Irish people that are innocent little lambs of a most sweet and benevolent nature!

    The only thing that riles up the Scotch-Irish people is when some frigging dope nitpicker says you should call them ‘Scots’ instead of SCOTCH.

    SCOTCH-IRISH

    We be no Eerish, we’re Scoatch!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-globalist-clannishness-of-indian-diamond-merchants/#comment-3281434

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Charles Pewitt

    It's used here as a catchier way of noting the tendency for blacks to be closer to white conservatives than to white liberals on a host of social issues.

  10. Wikipedia says:

    Black Rednecks and White Liberals is a collection of six essays by Thomas Sowell.

    The collection, published in 2005, explores various aspects of race and culture, both in the United States and abroad.

    The first essay, the book’s namesake, traces the origins of the “ghetto” African-American culture to the culture of Scotch-Irish Americans in the Antebellum South.

    The second essay, “Are Jews Generic?”, discusses middleman minorities.

    The third essay, “The Real History of Slavery,” discusses the timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom.

    The last three essays discuss the history of Germany, African-American education, and a criticism of multiculturalism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rednecks_and_White_Liberals

    • Replies: @Catdog
    @Charles Pewitt

    Conservaboomers seem to have the impression that black criminality only started with the Great Society.

    https://archive.org/details/McCluresMagazineV33n03190907/page/n131/mode/2up

    I found this article by scotsman William Archer from 1909. He talks about how extremely criminal blacks were even back then.

  11. Audie, keep your sons out of tha Game.

  12. @Charles Pewitt
    Wikipedia says:

    Black Rednecks and White Liberals is a collection of six essays by Thomas Sowell.

    The collection, published in 2005, explores various aspects of race and culture, both in the United States and abroad.

    The first essay, the book's namesake, traces the origins of the "ghetto" African-American culture to the culture of Scotch-Irish Americans in the Antebellum South.

    The second essay, "Are Jews Generic?", discusses middleman minorities.

    The third essay, "The Real History of Slavery," discusses the timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom.

    The last three essays discuss the history of Germany, African-American education, and a criticism of multiculturalism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rednecks_and_White_Liberals

    Replies: @Catdog

    Conservaboomers seem to have the impression that black criminality only started with the Great Society.

    https://archive.org/details/McCluresMagazineV33n03190907/page/n131/mode/2up

    I found this article by scotsman William Archer from 1909. He talks about how extremely criminal blacks were even back then.

  13. @Alexander Turok
    Can you make an actual argument against the vaccine for those of us who don't instinctively trust anything Tyrone and Clevon say?

    https://youtu.be/sP2tUW0HDHA?t=62

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Thorfinnsson, @anon

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Thorfinnsson

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIo4MCO-_U

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

  14. @Arclight
    It's been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution we have been subjected to over the last decade and a half or so, and this chart is just another brick in the wall in that regard.

    We have a culture in which women are told their aspirations in life should mirror those of men when it comes to sex and work, and they should suppress the natural urge to form a lasting relationship and start a family while still relatively young and healthy. It runs contrary to very deep instincts and results in tens of millions of deeply unhappy women who turn to politics and general hall monitor behavior as a counter to the lack of fulfillment they have in their lives.

    Millennials appear to have even lower marriage rates than Gen X, which does not bode well for the decades ahead.

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @prime noticer, @Alexander Turok

    “It’s been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution”

    they’re just shock troops for jewish intellectuals, like africans. they do what the jewish intellectuals convince them to do.

    they listen to whoever is the strongest social influence and behave accordingly. when it was the church, they were nebbishes. now it’s people telling them to destroy the west. so they do.

    european men steadily lost control of their women by virtue of the expanding welfare state, then allowing them to vote.

  15. I’ll see. I’ve had Covid twice, and the 2nd one was, while not horrible, rather heavy. Perhaps 3 months after recovery, I intend to get Pfizer (not AZ).

  16. @Arclight
    It's been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution we have been subjected to over the last decade and a half or so, and this chart is just another brick in the wall in that regard.

    We have a culture in which women are told their aspirations in life should mirror those of men when it comes to sex and work, and they should suppress the natural urge to form a lasting relationship and start a family while still relatively young and healthy. It runs contrary to very deep instincts and results in tens of millions of deeply unhappy women who turn to politics and general hall monitor behavior as a counter to the lack of fulfillment they have in their lives.

    Millennials appear to have even lower marriage rates than Gen X, which does not bode well for the decades ahead.

    Replies: @Magic Dirt Resident, @prime noticer, @Alexander Turok

    It’s been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution we have been subjected to over the last decade and a half or so, and this chart is just another brick in the wall in that regard.

    Vaccination existed and was non-controversial before 2000. The problem is room temperature IQ genuises thinking they get an opinion on things like the safety of vaccines.

    We have a culture in which women are told their aspirations in life should mirror those of men when it comes to sex and work, and they should suppress the natural urge to form a lasting relationship and start a family while still relatively young and healthy. It runs contrary to very deep instincts and results in tens of millions of deeply unhappy women who turn to politics and general hall monitor behavior as a counter to the lack of fulfillment they have in their lives.

    Do they have such an urge? Consider Tinder. It was based on the gay-bang app Grindr. I’m sure a lot of people said “oh, this ain’t gonna work, young women aren’t at all like gay men!”

    • Replies: @216
    @Alexander Turok


    Do they have such an urge? Consider Tinder. It was based on the gay-bang app Grindr. I’m sure a lot of people said “oh, this ain’t gonna work, young women aren’t at all like gay men!”
     
    Tinder is a sausage fest, and men account for the overwhelming amount of revenue.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

  17. @Thorfinnsson
    @Alexander Turok

    https://cache.escapistmagazine.com/2019/07/turok-escape-from-lost-valley-art.jpg

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @Alexander Turok

    I've been seeing you reference this movie for the entire year I've been Turok-posting against you.

    I've downloaded it for this evening's film viewing.

    I'm also vaccinated for the record.

    https://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/20257-turok-2-seeds-of-evil-windows-screenshot-victory-your-enemy.jpg

  18. @Greta Handel
    @Alexander Turok

    There’s ample information on this website alone, if you’re sincere. But it sounds like you’ve already been shepherded, or at least cemented, into your view by wanting not to be like “Tyrone and Clevon.”

    This is an example of what I am talking about in my other comment now in moderation.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    I do agree with Tyrone and Clevon about a lot of things, this “round-Earth” theory for instance.

    All I’ve seen is some stoner-tier non-logic about “how can you put, like, chemicals in your body dude, and you know companies made a profit off of these vaccines?” At least the original anti-vaxxers had the p-hacked statistics about autism.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Alexander Turok

    Step back, and consider whether your comments here are more likely to persuade or repulse undecided people.

    You are coming across as someone who has taken the shot(s), and is now dealing with his second thoughts about that irrevocable choice by mocking caricatures of those who haven’t, avoiding the serious articles and comments from skeptics.

    Is that the level of discourse someone should expect on your website?

    , @Greta Handel
    @Alexander Turok

    If that’s all you’ve seen, then that’s all you’ve wanted to see.

    But your sophomoric comments aren’t intended to persuade or inform anyone, are they? It seems, instead, that you’re coping with second thoughts about an irrevocable decision to take the shot(s) by caricaturing and insulting those who haven’t.

    If you’ve no substantial questions or information to enable the discussion, please consider minding your own website.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Usura
    @Alexander Turok

    It's not just that they make money off the vaccines, it's that they make and push unsafe drugs, lie about it, make vast sums of money, get caught, get slapped on the wrist, and then return to run the same company, again. I'm thinking specifically of Alex Gorsky, who oversaw the illegal marketing of Risperdal, concealed its harmful effects, and engineered a kick-back scheme for the same, costing Johnson and Johnson over $2 billion in fines when he got caught, not to mention the thousands of lives destroyed by Risperdal. And he still runs J&J!

    Think he's changed? Think he won't do something similar again? Think he doesn't have six or seven similar pokers in the fire, right now, at the behest of the board?

    The US government has also participated in the chemical castration of American women, many of them Native Americans, and deliberately withheld effective treatment for syphilis to Blacks in the Tuskegee experiment, both as recent as the 1970s. Do I need to mention the Sackler family? Have you traveled through rural America?

    Are you getting the picture? Pharmaceutical multinationals, along with the agencies which oversee them, have lost all credibility, and the specific chemistry or efficacy of some particular vaccine, is rather beside the point. These people are smart, and if they want to deceive us about the chemistry and effectiveness of a vaccine, they will.

    (Disclaimer: I'm pro covid vaccine and intend to get it. But to pretend like these "stoner" anti-vaxxers don't have a point is ridiculous. RIP Brandy Vaughan.)

  19. Ok, so the fact that no one knows what the potential long term consequences of a “vaccine” produced in months might be – and that elicits no concern? How about the fact that it confers no immunity nor stops the transmission from one fully vaccinated who subsequently gets infected? I guess those aren’t legitimate concerns. Just line up and get the jab, right? Why would anyone question the media or our overlords?

  20. @Alexander Turok
    Can you make an actual argument against the vaccine for those of us who don't instinctively trust anything Tyrone and Clevon say?

    https://youtu.be/sP2tUW0HDHA?t=62

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Thorfinnsson, @anon

    The train is fine.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @anon

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited. In contrast, the anti-vax/low-IQ link has a lot of support in the literature.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPOEa3P44

    Replies: @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Audacious Epigone, @Audacious Epigone

  21. Quibble: technically, a vaccine is not a cure. I guess you’d call it a prophylactic, although there may be some nuance with vaccine I’m missing. Maybe DanHessinMD could give us the best word in this case.

  22. @Alexander Turok
    @Thorfinnsson

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIo4MCO-_U

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

    I’ve been seeing you reference this movie for the entire year I’ve been Turok-posting against you.

    I’ve downloaded it for this evening’s film viewing.

    I’m also vaccinated for the record.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  23. advice against vaccination for healthy people in their twenties is shared by half or more of the people it was directed towards.

    Here in Japan, the nightly news is running pro-vax propaganda each night. They’ve been leading the past few nights with stories about young people who have died from the new variants that are circulating. They always report that the dead person had no pre-existing health conditions, although not about total health status like smoking, obesity, etc. I suppose the new variants really could be more deadly for everyone. I don’t disagree with vaccination, but I dislike being forced or manipulated into it.

  24. @Greta Handel
    @V. K. Ovelund

    A very good comment. I am one of those leaning away from the shot(s), but share your bewilderment over people allowing themselves to be herded into binary conclusions.

    The polls themselves drive this tendency, amplifying each and every issue with racial, political, and other identities into which we’re constantly Divided & Conquered. Has anyone ever studied how larding up polls about something like a personal health decision with such extraneous questions affects people’s responses?

    One thing that I’m not ambivalent about: Red+Blue politics are for the sheep.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    As recently as a month or two ago, I would probably have disagreed with you.

    One thing that I’m not ambivalent about: Red+Blue politics are for the sheep.

    However, I have been reading The Epoch Times during recent months and, especially, have been reading the Red/MAGA echo chamber of Epoch’s paid-subscription reader-comment threads. Here is an arbitrary sample:

    [MORE]

    [+7] Biden’(SHOULD) be sued for being anti-American’! Resident Biden”!

    [+9] The Biden Administration is an illegitimate and corrupt international crime ring that is causing harm to America, its citizens, and allies.

    [+9] If they were smart they would use those funds to raise State Sanctioned Militias for that are just as well trained, funded and equipped as the US military.

    Stay close to God.

    [+12] Empty Suit.. Time to leave Biden, no body likes you or wants you

    [+8] Don’t pay anymore federal taxes, Texans.

    [+17] The leftist Democrat military acts against the best interests of America and Israel.

    [+19] The explanation given for the removal of U.S. troops is pure bull [expletive].

    I want to see Jews in America pay closer attention to the deeds of democrat leadership and not their words with regards to Israel.

    They are being fooled once again.

    Never again?

    [+11] Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh what did they do to this country?!? #ISTANDWITHISREAL

    [+10] That’s all the signal the terrorists need from Joe Biden’s America. Our ally now stands alone If we don’t have Israel back how must Taiwan feel!

    [+10] Abandoning our commitments [to Israel] further showing how weak we are with Biden, China, Russia and Iran are taking note.

    [+10] Turn all of Gaza into one big pile of rubble.

    [+9] Fight with Israel!!! Biden is going straight to hell! Biden bowing to terrorists but he talks all big and bad to the greatest POTUS ever, POTUS Trump. Biden is the filth on the bottom of my shoe.

    [+8] Seek and destroy. Israel needs to wipe out the terrorist scum. Forget what the world thinks. Most of the international community including Joebama is antisemitic. Those who condemn Israel for defending itself is a bigot. Israel didn’t start this fight but needs to eradicate Hamas once and for all.

    [+8] Why doesn’t the whole world just bomb the [expletive] out of Iran ?

    Decades of terrorism and stupid ass leaders , do away with them completely

    !!!

    [+1] And China!

    [+7] Bible prophesy being fulfilled!!!!

    Israel will stand alone with God.

    [+2] Wipe the [Palestinian] animals out…How many times have you warned them? Enough talk. These barbarians Hamas only understand force. Time to eradicate them like the cockroaches they are…Yet Omar, Thalib & the other Marxists defend these in human scum!

    I like the MAGApedes a lot, and am not here to ridicule them for limited literacy (for I write my share of malaprops and other assorted misplaced words, as well), but more than a few of the MAGApedes’ sentiments are just unhinged.

    In short, I am beginning to suspect that you might be right about Red+Blue.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Thank you. I have posted this dozens of times, but it’s always worth a read - and note the date.

    “In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class. Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.

    A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won’t fulfill any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics.”

    Linh Dinh, “Orlando Shooting Means Trump for President,” June 12, 2016, @ The Unz Review.

    , @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I like the MAGApedes a lot, and am not here to ridicule them for limited literacy (for I write my share of malaprops and other assorted misplaced words, as well), but more than a few of the MAGApedes’ sentiments are just unhinged.
     
    Yup.

    The MAGApedes are overwhelmingly Israel Firsters. They will sacrifice everything else in order to support Israel. They will sacrifice America's interests in order to support Israel.

    Many of the MAGApedes are conservative Christians and an alarming number of conservative Christians are rabid Israel Firsters.

    Many of the MAGApedes are also rabid warmongers. Seeing America bombing and invading other people's countries makes them feel less like losers.

    It's the Israel First thing that really turned me against the MAGApedes. The MAGApedes are quite happy to see Americans die on behalf of Israel.

    Replies: @anon

  25. Here in Japan, the nightly news is running pro-vax propaganda each night.

    Does the Japanese state, or whoever is behind the propaganda, enjoy public trust? Or has authority shredded public trust as in the United States?

  26. @anon
    @Alexander Turok

    The train is fine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tInDH2FeXaM

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited. In contrast, the anti-vax/low-IQ link has a lot of support in the literature.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alexander Turok

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited.

    The train is fine.

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @Alexander Turok


    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited.
     
    In American English, the phrase “has been discredited” is now functionally synonymous with “I am Woke.”

    I doubt that standard vaccines cause autism, though it would hardly surprise me if they did; but the more important issue is that authority has painstakingly demolished its own credibility with center-right America. People no longer believe or trust authority, and for good reason.

    Thus, it does not really matter whether a medical journal discredits the vaccine/autism link, if the same journal has recently, gratuitously devoted an entire issue, say, to regrets for past racism. The journal is transparently lying to signal virtue. Liars, of course, are not believed, even when for once telling the truth.

    I actually think that such a journal prefers ordinary citizens to mistrust the journal. The mistrust affords the journal's editors a welcome excuse to sneer.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Alexander Turok

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Alexander Turok

    The anti/pro vax dichotomy is obfuscating. Covid shots and flu shots aren't like smallpox or tetanus vaccines in efficacy.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Alexander Turok

    The anti/pro vax dichotomy is obfuscating. Covid shots and flu shots aren't like smallpox or tetanus vaccines in efficacy.

  27. @Diversity Heretic
    The vaccination propaganda campaign has left me generally depressed, but polls such as this offer a ray of hope. If the people pushing the experimental unapproved vaccine are finally confronted with the reality that the people they claim to treasure most (blacks, Hispanics) just won't listen to their betters and "take the jab," perhaps they'll have to give up and leave the rest of us alone. A result devoutly to be wished for!

    Replies: @216, @Audacious Epigone

    Blacks and Hispanics, except for the Professionals; are not represented in the Culture Industry.

    Once WW College are converged, everyone else follows, because they are the electoral and cultural tipping point.

  28. 216 says: • Website
    @Alexander Turok
    @Arclight


    It’s been clear for some time that lefty white women are the driving force behind the cultural revolution we have been subjected to over the last decade and a half or so, and this chart is just another brick in the wall in that regard.
     
    Vaccination existed and was non-controversial before 2000. The problem is room temperature IQ genuises thinking they get an opinion on things like the safety of vaccines.

    We have a culture in which women are told their aspirations in life should mirror those of men when it comes to sex and work, and they should suppress the natural urge to form a lasting relationship and start a family while still relatively young and healthy. It runs contrary to very deep instincts and results in tens of millions of deeply unhappy women who turn to politics and general hall monitor behavior as a counter to the lack of fulfillment they have in their lives.
     
    Do they have such an urge? Consider Tinder. It was based on the gay-bang app Grindr. I'm sure a lot of people said "oh, this ain't gonna work, young women aren't at all like gay men!"

    Replies: @216

    Do they have such an urge? Consider Tinder. It was based on the gay-bang app Grindr. I’m sure a lot of people said “oh, this ain’t gonna work, young women aren’t at all like gay men!”

    Tinder is a sausage fest, and men account for the overwhelming amount of revenue.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @216

    33% * {very large number} is still {very large number}.

  29. @Alexander Turok
    @anon

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited. In contrast, the anti-vax/low-IQ link has a lot of support in the literature.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPOEa3P44

    Replies: @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Audacious Epigone, @Audacious Epigone

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited.

    The train is fine.

  30. @Alexander Turok
    @anon

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited. In contrast, the anti-vax/low-IQ link has a lot of support in the literature.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPOEa3P44

    Replies: @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Audacious Epigone, @Audacious Epigone

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited.

    In American English, the phrase “has been discredited” is now functionally synonymous with “I am Woke.”

    I doubt that standard vaccines cause autism, though it would hardly surprise me if they did; but the more important issue is that authority has painstakingly demolished its own credibility with center-right America. People no longer believe or trust authority, and for good reason.

    Thus, it does not really matter whether a medical journal discredits the vaccine/autism link, if the same journal has recently, gratuitously devoted an entire issue, say, to regrets for past racism. The journal is transparently lying to signal virtue. Liars, of course, are not believed, even when for once telling the truth.

    I actually think that such a journal prefers ordinary citizens to mistrust the journal. The mistrust affords the journal’s editors a welcome excuse to sneer.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    the more important issue is that authority has painstakingly demolished its own credibility with center-right America. People no longer believe or trust authority, and for good reason.

    Thus, it does not really matter whether a medical journal discredits the vaccine/autism link, if the same journal has recently, gratuitously devoted an entire issue, say, to regrets for past racism. The journal is transparently lying to signal virtue.
     
    Yes, that's a very valid point. Because the media, and scientists, and the medical establishment, and the political establishment have been caught blatantly lying on some issues people who tend towards the Right now assume that they lie about everything.

    Which is horribly dangerous.

    We need to bear in mind that the political Right, and the right-wing media, have also lied outrageously on many issues. Republicans and Fox News lie just as often as Democrats or the New York Times. It's just that they tell different lies.

    In theory it should be healthy that people are becoming more sceptical but that's not how it's playing out. People who don't trust the mainstream media or scientific journals will believe something that some random guy on the internet posted a YouTube video about.

    It's not a bad thing to be a bit sceptical about COVID stuff but it is dangerous to start believing crazy stuff ("it's all a plan for white genocide" or "it's all a plan for global population reduction").

    There's no genuine scepticism any more - people either believe the official line or they believe crazy conspiracy theories. Not just on COVID, but on every issue.

    Replies: @usNthem

    , @Alexander Turok
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I actually think that such a journal prefers ordinary citizens to mistrust the journal. The mistrust affords the journal’s editors a welcome excuse to sneer.
     
    Well, yeah, they prefer their political enemies to believe in, or at least express guarded sympathy to, crazy ideas like the Earth being flat or vaccines making people obsessed with trains. But some people are too stupid to see that.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @V. K. Ovelund

  31. @V. K. Ovelund

    ... whether the disease or the putative cure is perceived to be the greater threat.
     
    In an overheated environment of pervasive propaganda and lies—in which sometimes, incredibly, information from pseudonymous commenters at Unz proves to be better balanced or more reliable than information from the great American institutions of the media, it would seem to me that the only reasonable answer to such a question for most respondents should be, “I don't know.”

    Unfortunately, the pollster (who of course might be one of the aforementioned propagandists or liars but let us take it, as a working assumption, that he is not) apparently did not accept “I don't know” as an answer to this question. One may infer from adjacent questions however that the “I don't know” figure might be about 21 percent.

    What really bothers me (@dfordoom will have a field day with this one) is that the “I don't know” figure for white college graduates is as low as 9 percent. I suppose that one should already have given up the prejudice that a U.S. college education were associated with critical thinking, but either I am not a critical thinker or 91 percent of my fellow college graduates are not.

    It must be that I am not. As you know, I taught college ten years and am quite sure that more than 9 percent of my undergraduates were critical thinkers. The figure in my experience was not as high as one would like, but was considerably better than 9 percent.

    Anyway, regarding the overall “I don't know” figure at 21 percent: one does not wish to be one of those curmudgeons who curses his fellow citizens as “idiots” just because they have given an answer one dislikes, yet I would feel more comfortable with the good sense and balanced judgment of my fellow citizens if the “I don't know” figure were 61, 71 or 81 percent rather than 21 percent. Wouldn't you?

    As for me, I suspect that the vaccine is safer, but then I contracted actual COVID in December and like most such persons have fortunately recovered; so, really, what do I know?

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @dfordoom

    In an overheated environment of pervasive propaganda and lies—in which sometimes, incredibly, information from pseudonymous commenters at Unz proves to be better balanced or more reliable than information from the great American institutions of the media, it would seem to me that the only reasonable answer to such a question for most respondents should be, “I don’t know.”

    To be honest the most reasonable and honest answer that most people could give on most of the vital issues of the day is, “I don’t know.”

    And I agree that it is worrying that so many people are so certain that they know the answers. Educated people are the ones who should be aware that on any subject outside their own specialty they cannot be certain of the answers on most important issues. Having an MBA does not give a person the certain knowledge that climate change is real or not real. Having a law degree does not give a person the certain knowledge that reducing carbon emissions will make any actual difference. Having a degree in English Literature does not qualify a person to give a firm opinion on whether the debt really matters or not. Being an engineer offers no insights into whether mask-wearing works or not.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    It's amazing how many people will look at the Internet equivalent of a bar conversation-with a stranger that they'll likely never meet in real life-as a vital battle of honor.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  32. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    In an overheated environment of pervasive propaganda and lies—in which sometimes, incredibly, information from pseudonymous commenters at Unz proves to be better balanced or more reliable than information from the great American institutions of the media, it would seem to me that the only reasonable answer to such a question for most respondents should be, “I don’t know.”
     
    To be honest the most reasonable and honest answer that most people could give on most of the vital issues of the day is, “I don’t know.”

    And I agree that it is worrying that so many people are so certain that they know the answers. Educated people are the ones who should be aware that on any subject outside their own specialty they cannot be certain of the answers on most important issues. Having an MBA does not give a person the certain knowledge that climate change is real or not real. Having a law degree does not give a person the certain knowledge that reducing carbon emissions will make any actual difference. Having a degree in English Literature does not qualify a person to give a firm opinion on whether the debt really matters or not. Being an engineer offers no insights into whether mask-wearing works or not.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    It’s amazing how many people will look at the Internet equivalent of a bar conversation-with a stranger that they’ll likely never meet in real life-as a vital battle of honor.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @nebulafox

    It's amazing how many men get approach anxiety around a girl they've never seen before and worst case scenario (if they get rejected) will never see again and yet so many relationships never come into being because of it.

  33. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Alexander Turok


    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited.
     
    In American English, the phrase “has been discredited” is now functionally synonymous with “I am Woke.”

    I doubt that standard vaccines cause autism, though it would hardly surprise me if they did; but the more important issue is that authority has painstakingly demolished its own credibility with center-right America. People no longer believe or trust authority, and for good reason.

    Thus, it does not really matter whether a medical journal discredits the vaccine/autism link, if the same journal has recently, gratuitously devoted an entire issue, say, to regrets for past racism. The journal is transparently lying to signal virtue. Liars, of course, are not believed, even when for once telling the truth.

    I actually think that such a journal prefers ordinary citizens to mistrust the journal. The mistrust affords the journal's editors a welcome excuse to sneer.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Alexander Turok

    the more important issue is that authority has painstakingly demolished its own credibility with center-right America. People no longer believe or trust authority, and for good reason.

    Thus, it does not really matter whether a medical journal discredits the vaccine/autism link, if the same journal has recently, gratuitously devoted an entire issue, say, to regrets for past racism. The journal is transparently lying to signal virtue.

    Yes, that’s a very valid point. Because the media, and scientists, and the medical establishment, and the political establishment have been caught blatantly lying on some issues people who tend towards the Right now assume that they lie about everything.

    Which is horribly dangerous.

    We need to bear in mind that the political Right, and the right-wing media, have also lied outrageously on many issues. Republicans and Fox News lie just as often as Democrats or the New York Times. It’s just that they tell different lies.

    In theory it should be healthy that people are becoming more sceptical but that’s not how it’s playing out. People who don’t trust the mainstream media or scientific journals will believe something that some random guy on the internet posted a YouTube video about.

    It’s not a bad thing to be a bit sceptical about COVID stuff but it is dangerous to start believing crazy stuff (“it’s all a plan for white genocide” or “it’s all a plan for global population reduction”).

    There’s no genuine scepticism any more – people either believe the official line or they believe crazy conspiracy theories. Not just on COVID, but on every issue.

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @dfordoom

    My baseline these days is that pretty much anything touted by the feds and parroted by the msm is most likely a lie or highly propagandized. No need to engage in conspiracy theories, even though there may be some credibility there.

  34. German_reader says:

    AstraZeneca vaccine has actually killed several young, healthy people in Europe, who presumably wouldn’t have died from a Covid infection. I think most anti-vaccination sentiment is pretty nutty and I intend to get vaccinated against Covid myself when I get the chance, but for younger people the risk-benefit calculation might indeed be not always that clear-cut (rather different for those over 60 though).

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @German_reader


    but for younger people the risk-benefit calculation might indeed be not always that clear-cut (rather different for those over 60 though).
     
    So for young people the real question is - how effective are the vaccines at halting the spread of the virus? They protect you from the symptoms but do they offer actual immunity?

    I'm not an expert in the field so I have no idea what the answer to that question is.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  35. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    the more important issue is that authority has painstakingly demolished its own credibility with center-right America. People no longer believe or trust authority, and for good reason.

    Thus, it does not really matter whether a medical journal discredits the vaccine/autism link, if the same journal has recently, gratuitously devoted an entire issue, say, to regrets for past racism. The journal is transparently lying to signal virtue.
     
    Yes, that's a very valid point. Because the media, and scientists, and the medical establishment, and the political establishment have been caught blatantly lying on some issues people who tend towards the Right now assume that they lie about everything.

    Which is horribly dangerous.

    We need to bear in mind that the political Right, and the right-wing media, have also lied outrageously on many issues. Republicans and Fox News lie just as often as Democrats or the New York Times. It's just that they tell different lies.

    In theory it should be healthy that people are becoming more sceptical but that's not how it's playing out. People who don't trust the mainstream media or scientific journals will believe something that some random guy on the internet posted a YouTube video about.

    It's not a bad thing to be a bit sceptical about COVID stuff but it is dangerous to start believing crazy stuff ("it's all a plan for white genocide" or "it's all a plan for global population reduction").

    There's no genuine scepticism any more - people either believe the official line or they believe crazy conspiracy theories. Not just on COVID, but on every issue.

    Replies: @usNthem

    My baseline these days is that pretty much anything touted by the feds and parroted by the msm is most likely a lie or highly propagandized. No need to engage in conspiracy theories, even though there may be some credibility there.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  36. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Alexander Turok


    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited.
     
    In American English, the phrase “has been discredited” is now functionally synonymous with “I am Woke.”

    I doubt that standard vaccines cause autism, though it would hardly surprise me if they did; but the more important issue is that authority has painstakingly demolished its own credibility with center-right America. People no longer believe or trust authority, and for good reason.

    Thus, it does not really matter whether a medical journal discredits the vaccine/autism link, if the same journal has recently, gratuitously devoted an entire issue, say, to regrets for past racism. The journal is transparently lying to signal virtue. Liars, of course, are not believed, even when for once telling the truth.

    I actually think that such a journal prefers ordinary citizens to mistrust the journal. The mistrust affords the journal's editors a welcome excuse to sneer.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Alexander Turok

    I actually think that such a journal prefers ordinary citizens to mistrust the journal. The mistrust affords the journal’s editors a welcome excuse to sneer.

    Well, yeah, they prefer their political enemies to believe in, or at least express guarded sympathy to, crazy ideas like the Earth being flat or vaccines making people obsessed with trains. But some people are too stupid to see that.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Alexander Turok

    Wait a moment.


    ... crazy ideas like ... vaccines making people obsessed with trains.
     
    There are many vaccines and, like most people, I know little about them. As far as I am aware, human physiology is complex and includes several systems that are still not fully understood. Some persons are, in fact, obsessed with trains. If you know that there cannot possibly exist any connection between the two phenomena, then you know more than I do; but, meanwhile, to label ordinary people crazy for that just seems like wanton abuse.

    Vaccines are weird. A vaccine is not like saline solution, but is a substance carefully developed to provoke a particular immune-system response. If side effects were not a danger, the drug developers would hardly put these vaccines through clinical trials; and even the best clinical trials can miss subtle long-term effects as far as I know.

    Not that I know very much.

    No, I think that @dfordoom is right. His moderate point regarding scepticism seems to be a point you have missed.

    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @Alexander Turok

    By the way, ...


    Well, yeah, they prefer their political enemies to believe in, or at least express guarded sympathy to, crazy ideas....
     
    ... I fail to see why the authors of medical-journal papers should require political enemies. That's rather grotesque.

    Suppose that, say, electricians should find themselves on the opposite political side. Should such electricians prefer their political enemies' houses to catch fire? If so, then what should such electricians do about that preference?

    Besides getting vaccinated, that is.

  37. @216
    @Alexander Turok


    Do they have such an urge? Consider Tinder. It was based on the gay-bang app Grindr. I’m sure a lot of people said “oh, this ain’t gonna work, young women aren’t at all like gay men!”
     
    Tinder is a sausage fest, and men account for the overwhelming amount of revenue.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    33% * {very large number} is still {very large number}.

  38. @Alexander Turok
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I actually think that such a journal prefers ordinary citizens to mistrust the journal. The mistrust affords the journal’s editors a welcome excuse to sneer.
     
    Well, yeah, they prefer their political enemies to believe in, or at least express guarded sympathy to, crazy ideas like the Earth being flat or vaccines making people obsessed with trains. But some people are too stupid to see that.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @V. K. Ovelund

    Wait a moment.

    … crazy ideas like … vaccines making people obsessed with trains.

    There are many vaccines and, like most people, I know little about them. As far as I am aware, human physiology is complex and includes several systems that are still not fully understood. Some persons are, in fact, obsessed with trains. If you know that there cannot possibly exist any connection between the two phenomena, then you know more than I do; but, meanwhile, to label ordinary people crazy for that just seems like wanton abuse.

    Vaccines are weird. A vaccine is not like saline solution, but is a substance carefully developed to provoke a particular immune-system response. If side effects were not a danger, the drug developers would hardly put these vaccines through clinical trials; and even the best clinical trials can miss subtle long-term effects as far as I know.

    Not that I know very much.

    No, I think that is right. His moderate point regarding scepticism seems to be a point you have missed.

  39. @Alexander Turok
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I actually think that such a journal prefers ordinary citizens to mistrust the journal. The mistrust affords the journal’s editors a welcome excuse to sneer.
     
    Well, yeah, they prefer their political enemies to believe in, or at least express guarded sympathy to, crazy ideas like the Earth being flat or vaccines making people obsessed with trains. But some people are too stupid to see that.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @V. K. Ovelund

    By the way, …

    Well, yeah, they prefer their political enemies to believe in, or at least express guarded sympathy to, crazy ideas….

    … I fail to see why the authors of medical-journal papers should require political enemies. That’s rather grotesque.

    Suppose that, say, electricians should find themselves on the opposite political side. Should such electricians prefer their political enemies’ houses to catch fire? If so, then what should such electricians do about that preference?

    Besides getting vaccinated, that is.

  40. Off topic, but as I mentioned on the open thread (and since I was most active on this one)…just meant to drop in, say hello and wish everyone well. Ramadan is done and I’m going on indefinite hiatus from social media and online forums (as per advice from my spiritual teachers).

    To all who donated the precious commodity of time to reading my words and engaging with me over these years…my heartfelt thanks. Forgiveness is sought if I may have insulted you in a moment of heated debate or discussion. That was not right, and there was no call for it.

    May God grant all of you health, honor, wisdom and righteous conduct.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Talha

    It is good to see you drop by. Some time ago you asked about movies for your sons to view with you. I have one. If you have not already viewed The 13th Warrior, based on the 1970's book "Eaters of the Dead" by Michael Crichton, do so. Perhaps buy it on DVD, or otherwise save it; the story is worth viewing more than once. You will be very pleased with the last sentence.

    , @nebulafox
    @Talha

    Dude, you are one of the most over-the-top polite people I've met online. I wouldn't worry too much about that.

    And yeah, that's a smart move. I just figured you were out spending time with your kids or something worthwhile like that. Hope all goes well for you!

  41. @German_reader
    AstraZeneca vaccine has actually killed several young, healthy people in Europe, who presumably wouldn't have died from a Covid infection. I think most anti-vaccination sentiment is pretty nutty and I intend to get vaccinated against Covid myself when I get the chance, but for younger people the risk-benefit calculation might indeed be not always that clear-cut (rather different for those over 60 though).

    Replies: @dfordoom

    but for younger people the risk-benefit calculation might indeed be not always that clear-cut (rather different for those over 60 though).

    So for young people the real question is – how effective are the vaccines at halting the spread of the virus? They protect you from the symptoms but do they offer actual immunity?

    I’m not an expert in the field so I have no idea what the answer to that question is.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @dfordoom


    So for young people the real question is – how effective are the vaccines at halting the spread of the virus?
     
    Why should they care about the spread? I should think the question is this: do I have a better chance of living a long and healthy life with or without the vaccine? If the 3600 VAERS COVID deaths is accurate, and about 152000000 people have had the shot, then the risk of death from the vaccine is about 1 in 4000. That's a lower risk than the risk of death for, e.g., over 65 from COVID.

    Last article for under 18 I saw said something like 36 in total had died of over 4MM who had been infected. That's a lower death rate from COVID for that group.

    The spread ought not enter their young heads.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  42. anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    Off topic, but as I mentioned on the open thread (and since I was most active on this one)...just meant to drop in, say hello and wish everyone well. Ramadan is done and I’m going on indefinite hiatus from social media and online forums (as per advice from my spiritual teachers).

    To all who donated the precious commodity of time to reading my words and engaging with me over these years...my heartfelt thanks. Forgiveness is sought if I may have insulted you in a moment of heated debate or discussion. That was not right, and there was no call for it.

    May God grant all of you health, honor, wisdom and righteous conduct.

    Peace.

    Replies: @anon, @nebulafox

    It is good to see you drop by. Some time ago you asked about movies for your sons to view with you. I have one. If you have not already viewed The 13th Warrior, based on the 1970’s book “Eaters of the Dead” by Michael Crichton, do so. Perhaps buy it on DVD, or otherwise save it; the story is worth viewing more than once. You will be very pleased with the last sentence.

  43. Vaccines or not, what has unquestionably been worse than the disease is the damage done around the world over the past year to fight it. It would have been better to let it run its course.

    Now, as with flu vaccines, it looks like we will be urged to get a new covid shot every year or so. One is reminded, in both cases really, of when an unscrupulous mechanic tells you you need work on your car that you don’t need. It happens all the time.

    I have never had a flu shot and I can’t remember the last time I had the flu. I’ve had all the usual childhood vaccines, plus some extra things I got before my first trip to Eastern Europe two decades ago. Oh, and I renew my tetanus shot every ten years. Nobody can call me anti-vaccine, but these new ones are different. They are active DNA/RNA that goes directly to your cells and gives them instructions, whereas actual vaccines introduce something similar to the virus itself to prompt your immune system to produce antibodies in the normal way.

    My brother-in-law in Romania and his wife recently got over COVID-19. He was about to get vaccinated when he started to feel sick. We advised him to get tested first, out of caution that it might not be a good idea to get a vaccine when one is already sick with the virus. Sure enough, he tested positive, and so did his wife. Their son never came down with it.

    They were both sick for a little over two weeks. Fatigue and coughs, but fevers only for two or three days. Oxygen levels, measured by their own pulse oximeter, which we recommended they buy, remained normal the whole time. The biggest symptom was fatigue.

    They are fine now. They went shopping yesterday. The vast, vast, overwhelming number of cases would have been like theirs if the whole, damned world had simply gone on with life.

    The vaccines have been rushed and have no long-term records, plus they are being given to an unprecedented number of people in a ridiculously rapid fashion.

    Fools rush in.

  44. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Greta Handel

    As recently as a month or two ago, I would probably have disagreed with you.


    One thing that I’m not ambivalent about: Red+Blue politics are for the sheep.
     
    However, I have been reading The Epoch Times during recent months and, especially, have been reading the Red/MAGA echo chamber of Epoch's paid-subscription reader-comment threads. Here is an arbitrary sample:

    [+7] Biden’(SHOULD) be sued for being anti-American’! Resident Biden”!
     

    [+9] The Biden Administration is an illegitimate and corrupt international crime ring that is causing harm to America, its citizens, and allies.
     

    [+9] If they were smart they would use those funds to raise State Sanctioned Militias for that are just as well trained, funded and equipped as the US military.

    Stay close to God.
     

    [+12] Empty Suit.. Time to leave Biden, no body likes you or wants you
     

    [+8] Don’t pay anymore federal taxes, Texans.
     

    [+17] The leftist Democrat military acts against the best interests of America and Israel.
     

    [+19] The explanation given for the removal of U.S. troops is pure bull [expletive].

    I want to see Jews in America pay closer attention to the deeds of democrat leadership and not their words with regards to Israel.

    They are being fooled once again.

    Never again?
     

    [+11] Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh what did they do to this country?!? #ISTANDWITHISREAL
     

    [+10] That’s all the signal the terrorists need from Joe Biden’s America. Our ally now stands alone If we don’t have Israel back how must Taiwan feel!
     

    [+10] Abandoning our commitments [to Israel] further showing how weak we are with Biden, China, Russia and Iran are taking note.
     

    [+10] Turn all of Gaza into one big pile of rubble.
     

    [+9] Fight with Israel!!! Biden is going straight to hell! Biden bowing to terrorists but he talks all big and bad to the greatest POTUS ever, POTUS Trump. Biden is the filth on the bottom of my shoe.
     

    [+8] Seek and destroy. Israel needs to wipe out the terrorist scum. Forget what the world thinks. Most of the international community including Joebama is antisemitic. Those who condemn Israel for defending itself is a bigot. Israel didn’t start this fight but needs to eradicate Hamas once and for all.
     

    [+8] Why doesn’t the whole world just bomb the [expletive] out of Iran ?

    Decades of terrorism and stupid ass leaders , do away with them completely

    !!!

    [+1] And China!
     

     

    [+7] Bible prophesy being fulfilled!!!!

    Israel will stand alone with God.
     

    [+2] Wipe the [Palestinian] animals out…How many times have you warned them? Enough talk. These barbarians Hamas only understand force. Time to eradicate them like the cockroaches they are…Yet Omar, Thalib & the other Marxists defend these in human scum!
     
    I like the MAGApedes a lot, and am not here to ridicule them for limited literacy (for I write my share of malaprops and other assorted misplaced words, as well), but more than a few of the MAGApedes' sentiments are just unhinged.

    In short, I am beginning to suspect that you might be right about Red+Blue.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @dfordoom

    Thank you. I have posted this dozens of times, but it’s always worth a read – and note the date.

    “In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class. Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.

    A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won’t fulfill any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics.”

    Linh Dinh, “Orlando Shooting Means Trump for President,” June 12, 2016, @ The Unz Review.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  45. @Alexander Turok
    @Greta Handel

    I do agree with Tyrone and Clevon about a lot of things, this "round-Earth" theory for instance.

    All I've seen is some stoner-tier non-logic about "how can you put, like, chemicals in your body dude, and you know companies made a profit off of these vaccines?" At least the original anti-vaxxers had the p-hacked statistics about autism.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Greta Handel, @Usura

    Step back, and consider whether your comments here are more likely to persuade or repulse undecided people.

    You are coming across as someone who has taken the shot(s), and is now dealing with his second thoughts about that irrevocable choice by mocking caricatures of those who haven’t, avoiding the serious articles and comments from skeptics.

    Is that the level of discourse someone should expect on your website?

  46. @Alexander Turok
    @Greta Handel

    I do agree with Tyrone and Clevon about a lot of things, this "round-Earth" theory for instance.

    All I've seen is some stoner-tier non-logic about "how can you put, like, chemicals in your body dude, and you know companies made a profit off of these vaccines?" At least the original anti-vaxxers had the p-hacked statistics about autism.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Greta Handel, @Usura

    If that’s all you’ve seen, then that’s all you’ve wanted to see.

    But your sophomoric comments aren’t intended to persuade or inform anyone, are they? It seems, instead, that you’re coping with second thoughts about an irrevocable decision to take the shot(s) by caricaturing and insulting those who haven’t.

    If you’ve no substantial questions or information to enable the discussion, please consider minding your own website.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Greta Handel

    Turok isn't all that good at reading social cues online. Probably not very good at reading social cues in real life, either.

  47. @Alexander Turok
    @Greta Handel

    I do agree with Tyrone and Clevon about a lot of things, this "round-Earth" theory for instance.

    All I've seen is some stoner-tier non-logic about "how can you put, like, chemicals in your body dude, and you know companies made a profit off of these vaccines?" At least the original anti-vaxxers had the p-hacked statistics about autism.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Greta Handel, @Usura

    It’s not just that they make money off the vaccines, it’s that they make and push unsafe drugs, lie about it, make vast sums of money, get caught, get slapped on the wrist, and then return to run the same company, again. I’m thinking specifically of Alex Gorsky, who oversaw the illegal marketing of Risperdal, concealed its harmful effects, and engineered a kick-back scheme for the same, costing Johnson and Johnson over $2 billion in fines when he got caught, not to mention the thousands of lives destroyed by Risperdal. And he still runs J&J!

    Think he’s changed? Think he won’t do something similar again? Think he doesn’t have six or seven similar pokers in the fire, right now, at the behest of the board?

    The US government has also participated in the chemical castration of American women, many of them Native Americans, and deliberately withheld effective treatment for syphilis to Blacks in the Tuskegee experiment, both as recent as the 1970s. Do I need to mention the Sackler family? Have you traveled through rural America?

    Are you getting the picture? Pharmaceutical multinationals, along with the agencies which oversee them, have lost all credibility, and the specific chemistry or efficacy of some particular vaccine, is rather beside the point. These people are smart, and if they want to deceive us about the chemistry and effectiveness of a vaccine, they will.

    (Disclaimer: I’m pro covid vaccine and intend to get it. But to pretend like these “stoner” anti-vaxxers don’t have a point is ridiculous. RIP Brandy Vaughan.)

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  48. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Greta Handel

    As recently as a month or two ago, I would probably have disagreed with you.


    One thing that I’m not ambivalent about: Red+Blue politics are for the sheep.
     
    However, I have been reading The Epoch Times during recent months and, especially, have been reading the Red/MAGA echo chamber of Epoch's paid-subscription reader-comment threads. Here is an arbitrary sample:

    [+7] Biden’(SHOULD) be sued for being anti-American’! Resident Biden”!
     

    [+9] The Biden Administration is an illegitimate and corrupt international crime ring that is causing harm to America, its citizens, and allies.
     

    [+9] If they were smart they would use those funds to raise State Sanctioned Militias for that are just as well trained, funded and equipped as the US military.

    Stay close to God.
     

    [+12] Empty Suit.. Time to leave Biden, no body likes you or wants you
     

    [+8] Don’t pay anymore federal taxes, Texans.
     

    [+17] The leftist Democrat military acts against the best interests of America and Israel.
     

    [+19] The explanation given for the removal of U.S. troops is pure bull [expletive].

    I want to see Jews in America pay closer attention to the deeds of democrat leadership and not their words with regards to Israel.

    They are being fooled once again.

    Never again?
     

    [+11] Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh what did they do to this country?!? #ISTANDWITHISREAL
     

    [+10] That’s all the signal the terrorists need from Joe Biden’s America. Our ally now stands alone If we don’t have Israel back how must Taiwan feel!
     

    [+10] Abandoning our commitments [to Israel] further showing how weak we are with Biden, China, Russia and Iran are taking note.
     

    [+10] Turn all of Gaza into one big pile of rubble.
     

    [+9] Fight with Israel!!! Biden is going straight to hell! Biden bowing to terrorists but he talks all big and bad to the greatest POTUS ever, POTUS Trump. Biden is the filth on the bottom of my shoe.
     

    [+8] Seek and destroy. Israel needs to wipe out the terrorist scum. Forget what the world thinks. Most of the international community including Joebama is antisemitic. Those who condemn Israel for defending itself is a bigot. Israel didn’t start this fight but needs to eradicate Hamas once and for all.
     

    [+8] Why doesn’t the whole world just bomb the [expletive] out of Iran ?

    Decades of terrorism and stupid ass leaders , do away with them completely

    !!!

    [+1] And China!
     

     

    [+7] Bible prophesy being fulfilled!!!!

    Israel will stand alone with God.
     

    [+2] Wipe the [Palestinian] animals out…How many times have you warned them? Enough talk. These barbarians Hamas only understand force. Time to eradicate them like the cockroaches they are…Yet Omar, Thalib & the other Marxists defend these in human scum!
     
    I like the MAGApedes a lot, and am not here to ridicule them for limited literacy (for I write my share of malaprops and other assorted misplaced words, as well), but more than a few of the MAGApedes' sentiments are just unhinged.

    In short, I am beginning to suspect that you might be right about Red+Blue.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @dfordoom

    I like the MAGApedes a lot, and am not here to ridicule them for limited literacy (for I write my share of malaprops and other assorted misplaced words, as well), but more than a few of the MAGApedes’ sentiments are just unhinged.

    Yup.

    The MAGApedes are overwhelmingly Israel Firsters. They will sacrifice everything else in order to support Israel. They will sacrifice America’s interests in order to support Israel.

    Many of the MAGApedes are conservative Christians and an alarming number of conservative Christians are rabid Israel Firsters.

    Many of the MAGApedes are also rabid warmongers. Seeing America bombing and invading other people’s countries makes them feel less like losers.

    It’s the Israel First thing that really turned me against the MAGApedes. The MAGApedes are quite happy to see Americans die on behalf of Israel.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dfordoom

    The MAGApedes are overwhelmingly Israel Firsters.

    Met a lot of Trump supporters down under, have you?

    lol

    Replies: @dfordoom

  49. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    I like the MAGApedes a lot, and am not here to ridicule them for limited literacy (for I write my share of malaprops and other assorted misplaced words, as well), but more than a few of the MAGApedes’ sentiments are just unhinged.
     
    Yup.

    The MAGApedes are overwhelmingly Israel Firsters. They will sacrifice everything else in order to support Israel. They will sacrifice America's interests in order to support Israel.

    Many of the MAGApedes are conservative Christians and an alarming number of conservative Christians are rabid Israel Firsters.

    Many of the MAGApedes are also rabid warmongers. Seeing America bombing and invading other people's countries makes them feel less like losers.

    It's the Israel First thing that really turned me against the MAGApedes. The MAGApedes are quite happy to see Americans die on behalf of Israel.

    Replies: @anon

    The MAGApedes are overwhelmingly Israel Firsters.

    Met a lot of Trump supporters down under, have you?

    lol

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon

    If you think the MAGAtards (who voted for the most Israel First president in history) are going to be of any use then you probably need to put the copium pipe down.

    Replies: @anon

  50. @Greta Handel
    @Alexander Turok

    If that’s all you’ve seen, then that’s all you’ve wanted to see.

    But your sophomoric comments aren’t intended to persuade or inform anyone, are they? It seems, instead, that you’re coping with second thoughts about an irrevocable decision to take the shot(s) by caricaturing and insulting those who haven’t.

    If you’ve no substantial questions or information to enable the discussion, please consider minding your own website.

    Replies: @anon

    Turok isn’t all that good at reading social cues online. Probably not very good at reading social cues in real life, either.

  51. @Talha
    Off topic, but as I mentioned on the open thread (and since I was most active on this one)...just meant to drop in, say hello and wish everyone well. Ramadan is done and I’m going on indefinite hiatus from social media and online forums (as per advice from my spiritual teachers).

    To all who donated the precious commodity of time to reading my words and engaging with me over these years...my heartfelt thanks. Forgiveness is sought if I may have insulted you in a moment of heated debate or discussion. That was not right, and there was no call for it.

    May God grant all of you health, honor, wisdom and righteous conduct.

    Peace.

    Replies: @anon, @nebulafox

    Dude, you are one of the most over-the-top polite people I’ve met online. I wouldn’t worry too much about that.

    And yeah, that’s a smart move. I just figured you were out spending time with your kids or something worthwhile like that. Hope all goes well for you!

  52. @dfordoom
    @German_reader


    but for younger people the risk-benefit calculation might indeed be not always that clear-cut (rather different for those over 60 though).
     
    So for young people the real question is - how effective are the vaccines at halting the spread of the virus? They protect you from the symptoms but do they offer actual immunity?

    I'm not an expert in the field so I have no idea what the answer to that question is.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    So for young people the real question is – how effective are the vaccines at halting the spread of the virus?

    Why should they care about the spread? I should think the question is this: do I have a better chance of living a long and healthy life with or without the vaccine? If the 3600 VAERS COVID deaths is accurate, and about 152000000 people have had the shot, then the risk of death from the vaccine is about 1 in 4000. That’s a lower risk than the risk of death for, e.g., over 65 from COVID.

    Last article for under 18 I saw said something like 36 in total had died of over 4MM who had been infected. That’s a lower death rate from COVID for that group.

    The spread ought not enter their young heads.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @TomSchmidt

    Correction: the risk if 3600 people have died from mRNA therapy and 152MM had it is one in 40,000, not 4,000. Orders of magnitude. Safer than COVID for old people, riskier than COVID for young people.

  53. @TomSchmidt
    @dfordoom


    So for young people the real question is – how effective are the vaccines at halting the spread of the virus?
     
    Why should they care about the spread? I should think the question is this: do I have a better chance of living a long and healthy life with or without the vaccine? If the 3600 VAERS COVID deaths is accurate, and about 152000000 people have had the shot, then the risk of death from the vaccine is about 1 in 4000. That's a lower risk than the risk of death for, e.g., over 65 from COVID.

    Last article for under 18 I saw said something like 36 in total had died of over 4MM who had been infected. That's a lower death rate from COVID for that group.

    The spread ought not enter their young heads.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Correction: the risk if 3600 people have died from mRNA therapy and 152MM had it is one in 40,000, not 4,000. Orders of magnitude. Safer than COVID for old people, riskier than COVID for young people.

  54. @anon
    @dfordoom

    The MAGApedes are overwhelmingly Israel Firsters.

    Met a lot of Trump supporters down under, have you?

    lol

    Replies: @dfordoom

    If you think the MAGAtards (who voted for the most Israel First president in history) are going to be of any use then you probably need to put the copium pipe down.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dfordoom

    "Be of any use" to whom, in what sense?

    This isn't up to your usual trolling standards, btw. Needs work. You can do better.

    lol

  55. Sorry to see AE didn’t change “cure” to a more accurate word.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Chrisnonymous

    It's a colloquialism. What do you expect, literalism from a writer?! Outrageous.

  56. @dfordoom
    @anon

    If you think the MAGAtards (who voted for the most Israel First president in history) are going to be of any use then you probably need to put the copium pipe down.

    Replies: @anon

    “Be of any use” to whom, in what sense?

    This isn’t up to your usual trolling standards, btw. Needs work. You can do better.

    lol

  57. @Diversity Heretic
    The vaccination propaganda campaign has left me generally depressed, but polls such as this offer a ray of hope. If the people pushing the experimental unapproved vaccine are finally confronted with the reality that the people they claim to treasure most (blacks, Hispanics) just won't listen to their betters and "take the jab," perhaps they'll have to give up and leave the rest of us alone. A result devoutly to be wished for!

    Replies: @216, @Audacious Epigone

    They won’t take it because of white supremacy–the Tuskegee experiment that vanishingly few of them have actually heard of and that wasn’t anything like as bad as it is made out to be–though. It’s still the fault of deplorables, it always is.

  58. @Charles Pewitt
    Thomas Sowell’s Black Rednecks and White Liberals strikes again. Go ahead Karen, tell Tyrone what an idiot he is. We’ll wait.

    I say:

    Thomas Sowell can go straight to Hell!

    Ephraim Givens is of my blood and Givens is Scotch-Irish with or without the Mc.

    I wrote this about Thomas Sowell in June of 2019:

    Thomas Sowell is just as much of a Black Boob as Tennessee Coates.

    Remember, Thomas Sowell viciously attacked the Scotch-Irish people by suggesting that Black criminality and Black violence were learned behaviours that the Black slaves on plantations aped from their Scotch-Irish plantation overseers.

    Thomas Sowell would have you believe that Blacks were innocent little lambs of a sweet nature until such time as they had exposure to the violently psychotic Scotch-Irish slave plantation overseers!

    Go To Hell, Tommy Sowell!

    It is the Scotch-Irish people that are innocent little lambs of a most sweet and benevolent nature!

    The only thing that riles up the Scotch-Irish people is when some frigging dope nitpicker says you should call them ‘Scots’ instead of SCOTCH.

    SCOTCH-IRISH

    We be no Eerish, we’re Scoatch!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-globalist-clannishness-of-indian-diamond-merchants/#comment-3281434

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/640199329773432832?s=20

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    It’s used here as a catchier way of noting the tendency for blacks to be closer to white conservatives than to white liberals on a host of social issues.

  59. @Alexander Turok
    @anon

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited. In contrast, the anti-vax/low-IQ link has a lot of support in the literature.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPOEa3P44

    Replies: @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Audacious Epigone, @Audacious Epigone

    The anti/pro vax dichotomy is obfuscating. Covid shots and flu shots aren’t like smallpox or tetanus vaccines in efficacy.

  60. @Alexander Turok
    @anon

    The vaccine/autism link has been discredited. In contrast, the anti-vax/low-IQ link has a lot of support in the literature.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPOEa3P44

    Replies: @anon, @V. K. Ovelund, @Audacious Epigone, @Audacious Epigone

    The anti/pro vax dichotomy is obfuscating. Covid shots and flu shots aren’t like smallpox or tetanus vaccines in efficacy.

  61. @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    It's amazing how many people will look at the Internet equivalent of a bar conversation-with a stranger that they'll likely never meet in real life-as a vital battle of honor.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    It’s amazing how many men get approach anxiety around a girl they’ve never seen before and worst case scenario (if they get rejected) will never see again and yet so many relationships never come into being because of it.

  62. @Chrisnonymous
    Sorry to see AE didn't change "cure" to a more accurate word.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    It’s a colloquialism. What do you expect, literalism from a writer?! Outrageous.

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