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The following table and map show estimated mean IQ by state from 2019 NAEP mathematics and reading results among eighth grade public school students.

Table coloring corresponds to how states voted in the 2016 US presidential election. Estimates are computed by averaging mathematics and reading scores and then converting them to IQ scores assuming a national average IQ of 98 [edit: The assumed national average has subsequently been changed to 96 to be more in line with meta data on mean IQ by race and ethnicity] and a standard deviation of 15. One drawback is that these estimates do not account for the 10% of the school-age population either being homeschooled or attending private school.

State IQ
DoDEA 101.9
1) Massachusetts 100.8
2) New Jersey 99.8
3) Connecticut 98.6
4) Wisconsin 98.6
T5) New Hampshire 98.4
T5) Vermont 98.4
7) Minnesota 98.3
8) Ohio 98.0
T9) Colorado 97.8
T9) Utah 97.8
T11) Idaho 97.8
T11) Indiana 97.8
T11) Washington 97.8
14) Wyoming 97.6
15) South Dakota 97.4
16) Montana 97.2
T17) Nebraska 97.2
T17) Pennsylvania 97.2
19) North Dakota 97.2
20) Virginia 97.2
21) Illinois 97.0
22) Maine 96.8
23) North Carolina 96.8
24) Kansas 96.4
T25) Maryland 96.2
T25) Oregon 96.2
27) Missouri 96.2
28) Iowa 96.2
29) Michigan 96.0
30) Florida 95.8
T31) New York 95.8
T31) Tennessee 95.8
33) Kentucky 95.6
34) Georgia 95.6
35) Arizona 95.2
36) Rhode Island 95.0
37) Delaware 94.8
38) Texas 94.6
T39) California 94.4
T39) South Carolina 94.4
41) Oklahoma 94.2
42) Arkansas 94.0
43) Hawaii 94.0
44) Nevada 93.8
45) Mississippi 93.4
46) Louisiana 93.2
47) West Virgina 93.0
48) Alaska 92.6
49) Alabama 91.8
50) New Mexico 91.6
51) Washington DC 91.2

The Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA) “spans 163 schools in 8 Districts located in 11 countries, 7 states, and 2 territories across 10 time zones”. Contrary to supercilious goodwhite conventional wisdom, these army brats aren’t dummies–they’re the most intelligent the nation has to offer. Military personnel voted for Trump over Clinton by a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

Moynihan’s Law of the Canadian border strikes again.

 
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  1. I know I could do it, but you seem better at these things than I am. Can you please do a scatter plot of IQ on one axis and percent white school population on the other axis? Thx.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I'll do one better!
  2. Knowing current year IQ by state compared to say 1989 would be interesting as well.

  3. It’s pretty weird to imply a connection between above-average IQ and voting for Trump, especially with so many red States in the bottom half of the rankings. It’s also bad science, as it is possible that a heap of 110+ folks among Hillary voters might have boosted the scores for DoDEA.

    The lack of natural intelligence in DC is no surprise, though.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    The red states in the deep South have the largest black percentages in the country. This is a major reason those states rank towards the bottom of IQ.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I didn't intend to imply that, only to dissuade people from the idea that military personnel are pulled from the ranks of people who are too dumb to do anything else. To the contrary, they come from the ranks of the country's most underutilized natural resource--smart white boys from flyover country.
  4. Military personnel voted for Trump over Clinton by a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

    Now, drill down on that between Officer and Enlisted, and for the Officers, drill down on Company Grade versus Field Grade and Flag.

  5. The IQs are estimated…so not real.

  6. Dear Audacious, you should do a post about the cut off scores for National Merit. The cut off score is the level to be in the top 1% in your State. It gives an indication of the size of the smart fraction in each State. It’s probably fairly comprehensive because even private school kids take the PSAT in 11th grade (better than SAT which not everybody takes, and many people take several times). Interestingly, Washington DC is ranked first (ex aequo with Massachusetts and expat kids) for the performance of its top 1% and dead last in terms of average. I don’t know whether they publish the detailed distribution of PSAT scores by State (would be nice to have Gini coefficient of cognitive performance).

    https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalist-cutoffs/

    • Replies: @res
    Agreed that would be a good topic. It might help to combine that data with SAT and ACT score averages.
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-by-state-most-recent
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/act-scores-by-state-averages-highs-and-lows

    If anyone is interested, I put together a spreadsheet combining those (CSV after the MORE). To do a good analysis it would be necessary to deal with very different participation rates for the SAT and ACT. The quick correlations I checked show that is an issue.



    State,Class of 2020,Chg,Class of 2019,Class of 2018,Class of 2017,Typical # of Semifinalists,State - SAT,Participation Rate,EBRW,Math,Total,State - ACT,Participation,English,Math,Reading,Science,Composite,,Max Participation,,Correlations,
    Alabama,216,0,216,216,215,225,Alabama,7%,583,560,1143,Alabama,100%,18.9,18.4,19.7,19.4,19.2,,100%,,,
    Alaska,213,-2,215,217,213,40,Alaska,41%,556,541,1097,Alaska,65%,18.7,19.8,20.4,19.9,19.8,,65%,,,
    Arizona,219,-1,220,220,219,300,Arizona,31%,569,565,1134,Arizona,62%,18.6,19.8,20.1,19.8,19.7,,62%,,Correlation NMSF SAT,-0.331660165
    Arkansas,214,0,214,215,213,140,Arkansas,6%,582,559,1141,Arkansas,100%,18.9,19,19.7,19.5,19.4,,100%,,Correlation NMSF ACT,0.530035409
    California,222,-1,223,222,221,"2,050",California,63%,534,531,1065,California,31%,22.5,22.7,23.1,22.2,22.8,,63%,,Correlation SAT ACT,-0.341370009
    Colorado,220,-1,221,220,218,245,Colorado,100%,518,506,1024,Colorado,100%,20.1,20.3,21.2,20.9,20.8,,100%,,,
    Connecticut,221,-1,222,221,220,185,Connecticut,100%,529,516,1046,Connecticut,31%,25.5,24.6,25.6,24.6,25.2,,100%,,,
    Delaware,220,-2,222,221,218,45,Delaware,100%,499,486,985,Delaware,18%,24.1,23.4,24.8,23.6,24.1,,100%,,,
    District of Columbia,223,0,223,223,222,50,District of Columbia,94%,495,480,975,District of Columbia,32%,24.4,23.5,24.9,23.5,24.2,,94%,,,
    Florida,219,0,219,219,217,810,Florida,100%,516,483,999,Florida,73%,19,19.4,21,19.4,19.8,,100%,,,
    Georgia,220,0,220,220,219,460,Georgia,71%,538,519,1058,Georgia,55%,21,20.9,22,21.3,21.4,,71%,,,
    Hawaii,219,-1,220,220,217,65,Hawaii,54%,550,550,1100,Hawaii,90%,17.8,19.2,19.2,19.3,19,,90%,,,
    Idaho,215,1,214,216,214,85,Idaho,100%,505,488,993,Idaho,38%,21.9,21.8,23,22.1,22.3,,100%,,,
    Illinois,221,0,221,221,219,735,Illinois,100%,509,504,1013,Illinois,93%,21,21.2,21.6,21.3,21.4,,100%,,,
    Indiana,218,-1,219,219,217,335,Indiana,66%,543,537,1080,Indiana,35%,22,22.4,23.2,22.3,22.6,,66%,,,
    Iowa,215,-1,216,216,215,170,Iowa,3%,622,622,1244,Iowa,67%,21.2,21.3,22.6,22.1,21.9,,67%,,,
    Kansas,218,0,218,219,217,155,Kansas,4%,618,623,1241,Kansas,73%,21.1,21.3,22.3,21.7,21.7,,73%,,,
    Kentucky,217,-1,218,217,215,215,Kentucky,4%,620,612,1232,Kentucky,100%,19.6,19.4,20.5,20.1,20,,100%,,,
    Louisiana,215,-2,217,216,214,210,Louisiana,5%,610,591,1200,Louisiana,100%,19.4,18.8,19.8,19.6,19.5,,100%,,,
    Maine,215,-2,217,215,214,75,Maine,99%,512,502,1013,Maine,8%,24.2,24,24.8,23.7,24.3,,99%,,,
    Maryland,222,-1,223,222,221,315,Maryland,82%,535,523,1058,Maryland,28%,23.3,23.1,24.2,23.2,23.6,,82%,,,
    Massachusetts,223,0,223,222,222,345,Massachusetts,81%,559,561,1120,Massachusetts,29%,25.4,25.3,25.9,24.7,25.4,,81%,,,
    Michigan,219,0,219,219,216,565,Michigan,100%,507,496,1003,Michigan,29%,24.1,23.7,24.5,23.8,24.1,,100%,,,
    Minnesota,219,-1,220,220,219,300,Minnesota,4%,636,648,1284,Minnesota,100%,20.4,21.5,21.8,21.6,21.5,,100%,,,
    Mississippi,214,-1,215,213,212,135,Mississippi,3%,628,608,1237,Mississippi,100%,18.2,18.1,18.8,18.8,18.6,,100%,,,
    Missouri,217,0,217,217,216,335,Missouri,4%,622,615,1236,Missouri,100%,19.8,19.9,20.8,20.5,20.4,,100%,,,
    Montana,214,0,214,214,210,50,Montana,9%,603,596,1199,Montana,100%,19,20.2,21,20.5,20.3,,100%,,,
    Nebraska,216,0,216,215,215,100,Nebraska,3%,628,631,1260,Nebraska,84%,20.9,20.9,21.9,21.5,21.4,,84%,,,
    Nevada,218,0,218,217,214,100,Nevada,20%,580,576,1156,Nevada,100%,16.3,18,18.1,18.2,17.8,,100%,,,
    New Hampshire,218,-1,219,217,216,75,New Hampshire,95%,533,526,1059,New Hampshire,18%,25.4,25.1,26,24.9,25.5,,95%,,,
    New Jersey,223,0,223,223,222,520,New Jersey,82%,544,545,1090,New Jersey,34%,23.8,23.8,24.1,23.2,23.9,,82%,,,
    New Mexico,213,-2,215,215,213,90,New Mexico,18%,543,530,1073,New Mexico,66%,18.6,19.4,20.4,20,19.7,,66%,,,
    New York,221,0,221,221,219,"1,010",New York,79%,531,533,1064,New York,31%,23.8,24,24.6,23.9,24.2,,79%,,,
    North Carolina,219,-1,220,219,218,440,North Carolina,51%,554,546,1100,North Carolina,100%,17.8,19.3,19.6,19.3,19.1,,100%,,,
    North Dakota,212,0,212,211,209,30,North Dakota,2%,627,636,1263,North Dakota,98%,19,20.4,20.5,20.6,20.3,,98%,,,
    Ohio,218,-1,219,219,217,615,Ohio,19%,550,548,1097,Ohio,75%,21.2,21.6,22.5,22,22,,75%,,,
    Oklahoma,214,-1,215,216,213,185,Oklahoma,22%,490,472,963,Oklahoma,100%,18.5,18.8,20.1,19.6,19.4,,100%,,,
    Oregon,220,-1,221,220,219,180,Oregon,51%,562,550,1112,Oregon,40%,21.2,21.5,22.4,21.7,21.8,,51%,,,
    Pennsylvania,220,0,220,219,218,680,Pennsylvania,70%,545,537,1082,Pennsylvania,23%,23.4,23.4,24.2,23.3,23.7,,70%,,,
    Rhode Island,218,-2,220,216,217,55,Rhode Island,100%,503,492,995,Rhode Island,21%,24,23.3,24.7,23.4,24,,100%,,,
    South Carolina,215,-1,216,217,215,200,South Carolina,68%,526,504,1030,South Carolina,100%,17.5,18.6,19.1,18.9,18.7,,100%,,,
    South Dakota,214,-1,215,215,209,45,South Dakota,3%,633,635,1268,South Dakota,80%,20.7,21.5,22.3,22,21.8,,80%,,,
    Tennessee,219,0,219,218,218,325,Tennessee,7%,618,602,1220,Tennessee,100%,19.5,19.2,20.1,19.9,19.8,,100%,,,
    Texas,221,0,221,221,220,"1,340",Texas,68%,515,507,1022,Texas,45%,19.5,20.7,21.1,20.9,20.7,,68%,,,
    Utah,215,0,215,216,215,155,Utah,4%,614,615,1230,Utah,100%,19.5,19.9,20.8,20.6,20.3,,100%,,,
    Vermont,216,0,216,217,215,40,Vermont,66%,560,546,1106,Vermont,29%,23.3,23.1,24.4,23.2,23.6,,66%,,,
    Virginia,222,0,222,222,221,390,Virginia,68%,567,551,1119,Virginia,29%,23.5,23.3,24.6,23.5,23.8,,68%,,,
    Washington,221,-1,222,222,220,330,Washington,70%,539,535,1074,Washington,29%,20.9,21.9,22.1,22,21.9,,70%,,,
    West Virginia,212,0,212,211,209,75,West Virginia,99%,483,460,943,West Virginia,69%,20,19.4,21.2,20.5,20.4,,99%,,,
    Wisconsin,216,0,216,217,215,330,Wisconsin,3%,635,648,1283,Wisconsin,100%,19.7,20.4,20.6,20.9,20.5,,100%,,,
    Wyoming,212,0,212,213,209,25,Wyoming,3%,623,615,1238,Wyoming,100%,19.4,19.8,20.8,20.6,20.2,,100%,,,
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The cutoffs probably correlate well with white NAEP scores. Working on that now.
  7. Seems to corroborate the big shift of middle-class suburban whites to the democratic party. The former Romney types, who went to the neoliberal democrats whereas Trump attracted quite a few (inactive) working class whites to make up for it.

    Does the NAEP break down achievement by race as well? It’d be interesting to compare it with SAT numbers where Asians have pulled way ahead – though in a context where the SAT has become less g-loaded and easier to prep/cram on.

    • Replies: @216

    few (inactive) working class
     
    The GOP is much lazier about get-out-the-vote than the Dems are.

    Dems have affiliated organizations that conduct "voter registration drives" and the active assistance of black churches to register voters, and transport elderly voters to the polls. They also do a lot of organizing on university campuses.

    I recall the NRA registering voters at gun shows and the like, but otherwise the GOP expects its voters to be already registered, or be able to register without handholding. There's a strong taboo against conservative-leaning churches engaging the organizing common among black churches.

    The GOP were the pioneers of "direct mail" campaigning, which they still rely on despite its obsolesence.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    It does and I will. There are only scores for whites in every state though due to sample size. Most states have black scores as well, many have Hispanics, a few have Asians.
  8. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:

    Considering the US is probably now majority non-white, I’m surprised that the average IQ is holding up at around 100 and on par with if not higher than many almost 100% white countries.

    It almost suggests that given the right conditions, non-white intelligence levels are comparable to whites, if the stats are to be believed.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    Right conditions of course being the 50 year plus campaign to drag whites down.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The US isn't majority non-white yet--that's a couple of decades down the road at current rates. The 8th public school population, though, is probably pretty close to 50% white and 50% non-white.
  9. Oh, so smart people are liberals?

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    "Oh, so smart people are liberals?"

    For a limited definition of "smart".
    , @anon
    It shows race, Einstein. Whitest states are smartest.
    Must suck to be humiliated by strangers on the internet
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Yes, as measured by IQ (especially verbal IQ), they tend to be so.
  10. The test is for skills at a certain age not IQ. This could account for the blue state bias.

    How many of the NAEP questions are tied to “Common Core Skills” that have no applicability to real world situations?

    PEACE

  11. I know Massachusetts people are quite proud of being the “smartest” state. But I argue with these liberals on the Boston Globe website every day, and I can tell you they’re overrated. They show very little interest in foreign affairs and don’t offer much besides the DNC talking point of the day. (“Ukraine is vital to our interests,” etc) They’re also hyper-aggressive about their corner of the universe and will suspend their normal progressive views when outsiders commit acts of violence against them (like the Tsarnaevs). So basically, they’re belligerent and territorial but ultimately unimpressive as thinkers. A few exceptions of course.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    Is there any state with impressive thinkers? I would guess the people in all smart blue states just rattle off DNC talking points. They might be educated and financially successful but they are not free thinkers.
    , @J1234
    Harvard, MIT and other prestigious schools are a factor, I presume. Remove those, and it would be interesting to see what the impact on aggregate IQ is.

    I admit that I'm a little surprised to see Alaska near the bottom. Would that be a function of an extensive "indigenous" population, I wonder? I perceive Alaska as being rather Jeffersonian with it's frontier image, but I also perceive it as being a place that misfits retreat to when they can't function in the lower 48. Interesting stats. I like that New York and California are ranked way below my state.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    If the UR readership formed a state, it'd be way off these charts.
  12. The DoDEA IQ is misleading. The military usually does not consider recruits whose ASVAB (or AFQT) scores have low IQ equivalents (IQ 81 or lower). So the DoDEA pool of NAEP test takers is loaded with kids whose parents have IQs > 81. Given the (plausibly strong) overlap in IQ (which is 50-80% heritable) for recruits and their children, it’s no surprise that DoDEA NAEP scores are high (after effectively excluding IQ < 81).

    Homework: Recompute the NAEP IQs for each state after excluding NAEP test takers with IQ <81. IQ scores for each state would increase substantially (but state ranks would probably remain pretty stable).

    Random link on ASVAB IQ: https://www.quora.com/Does-the-U-S-military-have-a-minimum-IQ-requirement-for-entry

  13. Bragadocious, the MA residents with 3-digit IQs never fell for the comically inept CIA provocation of the Boston Marathon bombing

    https://whowhatwhy.org/category/boston-marathon-bombing/

    A lot of sub-μ Boston massholes succumbed to the induced mass hysteria at the time, but then Boston is where the conformists and authoritarians congregate – you know, OCD Ivy-League apple polishers, victims of econ and poli sci indoctrination and so forth.

  14. State IQ

    Washington DC 93.2

    Far too high ! 😂

  15. @Nodwink
    It's pretty weird to imply a connection between above-average IQ and voting for Trump, especially with so many red States in the bottom half of the rankings. It's also bad science, as it is possible that a heap of 110+ folks among Hillary voters might have boosted the scores for DoDEA.

    The lack of natural intelligence in DC is no surprise, though.

    The red states in the deep South have the largest black percentages in the country. This is a major reason those states rank towards the bottom of IQ.

    • Replies: @indocon
    Yes, you need to compare the white and black scores separately when comparing deep south with the rest of the country. I know for a fact that when you look at cost adjusted poverty levels, white poverty level in Mississippi is actually less than that in California.
    , @Sam Coulton
    No way man, you can just be honest and admit that white people in the deep south are genuinely less intelligent than northern whites. Hell, a lot of white southerners aren't even white.
    , @Truth
    Alaska, West Virginia,Hawaii and New Mexico, are four of the least-black states in America. Nevada isn't far behind.
  16. The military uses a totally-not-an-IQ-test in order to join.

  17. It would be interesting to see the scores of whites per state, blacks per state, hispanics per state, Asians per state, etc.

  18. @Bragadocious
    I know Massachusetts people are quite proud of being the "smartest" state. But I argue with these liberals on the Boston Globe website every day, and I can tell you they're overrated. They show very little interest in foreign affairs and don't offer much besides the DNC talking point of the day. ("Ukraine is vital to our interests," etc) They're also hyper-aggressive about their corner of the universe and will suspend their normal progressive views when outsiders commit acts of violence against them (like the Tsarnaevs). So basically, they're belligerent and territorial but ultimately unimpressive as thinkers. A few exceptions of course.

    Is there any state with impressive thinkers? I would guess the people in all smart blue states just rattle off DNC talking points. They might be educated and financially successful but they are not free thinkers.

  19. @Jay Fink
    The red states in the deep South have the largest black percentages in the country. This is a major reason those states rank towards the bottom of IQ.

    Yes, you need to compare the white and black scores separately when comparing deep south with the rest of the country. I know for a fact that when you look at cost adjusted poverty levels, white poverty level in Mississippi is actually less than that in California.

  20. @Bragadocious
    I know Massachusetts people are quite proud of being the "smartest" state. But I argue with these liberals on the Boston Globe website every day, and I can tell you they're overrated. They show very little interest in foreign affairs and don't offer much besides the DNC talking point of the day. ("Ukraine is vital to our interests," etc) They're also hyper-aggressive about their corner of the universe and will suspend their normal progressive views when outsiders commit acts of violence against them (like the Tsarnaevs). So basically, they're belligerent and territorial but ultimately unimpressive as thinkers. A few exceptions of course.

    Harvard, MIT and other prestigious schools are a factor, I presume. Remove those, and it would be interesting to see what the impact on aggregate IQ is.

    I admit that I’m a little surprised to see Alaska near the bottom. Would that be a function of an extensive “indigenous” population, I wonder? I perceive Alaska as being rather Jeffersonian with it’s frontier image, but I also perceive it as being a place that misfits retreat to when they can’t function in the lower 48. Interesting stats. I like that New York and California are ranked way below my state.

    • Replies: @RAZ
    This is a measure of intelligence at the 8th grade level, so prestigious schools not directly contributing. There is benefit to the MA numbers in that Boston/Cambridge is a net importer of highly intelligent people for MIT/Harvard who often stay in the area, and then tend to have bright kids who raise the 8th grade levels for MA.
  21. @Jay Fink
    The red states in the deep South have the largest black percentages in the country. This is a major reason those states rank towards the bottom of IQ.

    No way man, you can just be honest and admit that white people in the deep south are genuinely less intelligent than northern whites. Hell, a lot of white southerners aren’t even white.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    I admit it they are less smart but the huge black population is the bigger factor.
    , @EldnahYm

    Hell, a lot of white southerners aren’t even white.
     
    The majority of self-identified white southerners do not have black ancestry and the majority of those who do are in the 1-2% range or lower.

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(14)00476-5

  22. More important than Red / Blue state allegiances is of course, racial make up of each state. Massachusetts is only 3% black and less than 5% Hispanic, while Washington DC is…. 47% black and 10% “Hispanic”, while New Mexico is 10% Amerindian and 47% “Hispanic” which more than not means mestizo. Alabama is 30% black and almost 10% Hispanic.

    I imagine AE knows this, but better to pretend muh politics! in case any FBI agents disguised as KKK members are reading.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Truth

    Massachusetts is only 3% black and less than 5% Hispanic,
     
    I'm afraid you're a little off, Rabbi Mordecai:

    Massachusetts Racial Breakdown of Population (2017)[10]
    Race Percentage of Massachusettspopulation Percentage ofUnited States population
    White 81.3% 76.6% +4.7%
    White (Non-Hispanic) 72.1% 60.7% +11.4%
    Hispanic 11.9% 18.1% –6.2%
    Black 8.8% 13.4% –4.6%
    Asian 6.9% 5.8% +1.1%
    Native Americans/Hawaiians 0.6% 1.5% –0.9%
    Two or more races 2.4% 2.7% –0.3%


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Massachusetts
    , @216
    Long term trends suggest a Balkanization of the South, elsewise a "White Great Migration" to the Midwest especially if AGW causes certain tropical diseases to return to the South as was common before the 20th century.

    In contrast to some here, I'm rather skeptical about Balkanization succeeding in the the US without the federal government losing a war to Russia/China. White liberals are exceedingly intolerant of our self-determination, and would be expected to favor an aggressive (WMD) military response against any state that rebels against Washington.

    I'm fond of "Belarus or Bust" for more than a catchy slogan, its quite possible that it becomes a trend assuming our dispossession accelerates rapidly in the crisis of the 2020s. It also sounds better than "Back to Europe", considering that Western European governments certainly don't want the US Right moving in.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    muh politics

    It's a nod to the infamous 2004 IQ hoax. Man how time flies...
  23. ‘…Contrary to supercilious goodwhite conventional wisdom, these army brats aren’t dummies–they’re the most intelligent the nation has to offer…’

    Either that, or the Department of Defense schools are better than average.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  24. New Mexico and WDC bringing up the bottom.

  25. @Truth
    Oh, so smart people are liberals?

    “Oh, so smart people are liberals?”

    For a limited definition of “smart”.

  26. @MikeatMikedotMike
    More important than Red / Blue state allegiances is of course, racial make up of each state. Massachusetts is only 3% black and less than 5% Hispanic, while Washington DC is.... 47% black and 10% "Hispanic", while New Mexico is 10% Amerindian and 47% "Hispanic" which more than not means mestizo. Alabama is 30% black and almost 10% Hispanic.

    I imagine AE knows this, but better to pretend muh politics! in case any FBI agents disguised as KKK members are reading.

    Massachusetts is only 3% black and less than 5% Hispanic,

    I’m afraid you’re a little off, Rabbi Mordecai:

    Massachusetts Racial Breakdown of Population (2017)[10]
    Race Percentage of Massachusettspopulation Percentage ofUnited States population
    White 81.3% 76.6% +4.7%
    White (Non-Hispanic) 72.1% 60.7% +11.4%
    Hispanic 11.9% 18.1% –6.2%
    Black 8.8% 13.4% –4.6%
    Asian 6.9% 5.8% +1.1%
    Native Americans/Hawaiians 0.6% 1.5% –0.9%
    Two or more races 2.4% 2.7% –0.3%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Massachusetts

  27. @Jay Fink
    The red states in the deep South have the largest black percentages in the country. This is a major reason those states rank towards the bottom of IQ.

    Alaska, West Virginia,Hawaii and New Mexico, are four of the least-black states in America. Nevada isn’t far behind.

  28. This information needs to be superimposed on the racial percentages of each state. Here’s the state-by-state breakdown by race: http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/states-by-race/

    Let’s compare three randomly chosen states in the middle of the listings to see if there’s a racial/IQ correlation:

    11th — Idaho: 91% white with about one-to-two percent of other racial categories. It’s close to the historic white average IQ at 99.7

    21st — Illinois: one point below the average white IQ at 99 with 72 percent white and 14 percent black.

    35th — Arizona: average IQ around 97: It is 77.5 percent white with about 4.5 percent black/indian (feather) each.

    This doesn’t correlate very well. One would think that Arizona, which has more whites and fewer blacks than Illinois, would have a higher average IQ. This state population database is flawed because it conflates Hispanic and white. A more nuanced breakdown of race by state would separate different “white” racial groups.

    • Replies: @indocon
    These are based on the scores in schools, not all adults. Arizona for example maybe majority white, but in schools white kids are <40%.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The plants that sprouted from Albion's Seed are still growing.
  29. Average IQ scores tell us what we have already noticed, that there is such a thing as race and some races are more intelligent than others. But, and this is a big one, we do not really care about IQ as much as we care about morality. Is there a correlation between IQ and the ability to engage in moral decision making that requires abstract reasoning? I think so.

  30. @Thulean Friend
    Seems to corroborate the big shift of middle-class suburban whites to the democratic party. The former Romney types, who went to the neoliberal democrats whereas Trump attracted quite a few (inactive) working class whites to make up for it.

    Does the NAEP break down achievement by race as well? It'd be interesting to compare it with SAT numbers where Asians have pulled way ahead - though in a context where the SAT has become less g-loaded and easier to prep/cram on.

    few (inactive) working class

    The GOP is much lazier about get-out-the-vote than the Dems are.

    Dems have affiliated organizations that conduct “voter registration drives” and the active assistance of black churches to register voters, and transport elderly voters to the polls. They also do a lot of organizing on university campuses.

    I recall the NRA registering voters at gun shows and the like, but otherwise the GOP expects its voters to be already registered, or be able to register without handholding. There’s a strong taboo against conservative-leaning churches engaging the organizing common among black churches.

    The GOP were the pioneers of “direct mail” campaigning, which they still rely on despite its obsolesence.

    • Replies: @iffen
    There’s a strong taboo against conservative-leaning churches engaging the organizing common among black churches.

    Yes

    The GOP were the pioneers of “direct mail” campaigning, which they still rely on despite its obsolesence.

    Yes
  31. @MikeatMikedotMike
    More important than Red / Blue state allegiances is of course, racial make up of each state. Massachusetts is only 3% black and less than 5% Hispanic, while Washington DC is.... 47% black and 10% "Hispanic", while New Mexico is 10% Amerindian and 47% "Hispanic" which more than not means mestizo. Alabama is 30% black and almost 10% Hispanic.

    I imagine AE knows this, but better to pretend muh politics! in case any FBI agents disguised as KKK members are reading.

    Long term trends suggest a Balkanization of the South, elsewise a “White Great Migration” to the Midwest especially if AGW causes certain tropical diseases to return to the South as was common before the 20th century.

    In contrast to some here, I’m rather skeptical about Balkanization succeeding in the the US without the federal government losing a war to Russia/China. White liberals are exceedingly intolerant of our self-determination, and would be expected to favor an aggressive (WMD) military response against any state that rebels against Washington.

    I’m fond of “Belarus or Bust” for more than a catchy slogan, its quite possible that it becomes a trend assuming our dispossession accelerates rapidly in the crisis of the 2020s. It also sounds better than “Back to Europe”, considering that Western European governments certainly don’t want the US Right moving in.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "especially if AGW causes certain tropical diseases to return to the South as was common before the 20th century."

    The only thing bringing tropical diseases back to the south are the tropical people invading that part of the nation.

    AGW is a wealth transfer con.
  32. @216

    few (inactive) working class
     
    The GOP is much lazier about get-out-the-vote than the Dems are.

    Dems have affiliated organizations that conduct "voter registration drives" and the active assistance of black churches to register voters, and transport elderly voters to the polls. They also do a lot of organizing on university campuses.

    I recall the NRA registering voters at gun shows and the like, but otherwise the GOP expects its voters to be already registered, or be able to register without handholding. There's a strong taboo against conservative-leaning churches engaging the organizing common among black churches.

    The GOP were the pioneers of "direct mail" campaigning, which they still rely on despite its obsolesence.

    There’s a strong taboo against conservative-leaning churches engaging the organizing common among black churches.

    Yes

    The GOP were the pioneers of “direct mail” campaigning, which they still rely on despite its obsolesence.

    Yes

    • Replies: @216
    A lot of people, in my experience, really hate direct mail, which is more difficult to ignore than fundraising emails. TV attack ads, while often effective, are similarly despised by many.

    There's a strong "civility-minded" Boomerlib orientation that wishes for publicly funded elections, and restrictions on the type of advertising. Combined with a strong "town hall" nostalgia.

    With the rise of WokeCapital, it would probably serve the Right to favor an amendment to overturn Citizens United. Forcing corporations and the wealthy to launder money through think tanks (which we can also regulate), rather than directly finance campaigns; would be in the long run beneficial to the public interest.
  33. @Sam Coulton
    No way man, you can just be honest and admit that white people in the deep south are genuinely less intelligent than northern whites. Hell, a lot of white southerners aren't even white.

    I admit it they are less smart but the huge black population is the bigger factor.

  34. @216
    Long term trends suggest a Balkanization of the South, elsewise a "White Great Migration" to the Midwest especially if AGW causes certain tropical diseases to return to the South as was common before the 20th century.

    In contrast to some here, I'm rather skeptical about Balkanization succeeding in the the US without the federal government losing a war to Russia/China. White liberals are exceedingly intolerant of our self-determination, and would be expected to favor an aggressive (WMD) military response against any state that rebels against Washington.

    I'm fond of "Belarus or Bust" for more than a catchy slogan, its quite possible that it becomes a trend assuming our dispossession accelerates rapidly in the crisis of the 2020s. It also sounds better than "Back to Europe", considering that Western European governments certainly don't want the US Right moving in.

    “especially if AGW causes certain tropical diseases to return to the South as was common before the 20th century.”

    The only thing bringing tropical diseases back to the south are the tropical people invading that part of the nation.

    AGW is a wealth transfer con.

    • Replies: @216
    Spread of malaria, iirc, is dependent upon a species of mosquito that no longer lives in the American South. At one point much of the South was swampland, until its draining.

    AGW is also said to cause both increased torrential rains, and droughts. The former is likely to increase flooding, restoring swamp like conditions at least for a time. The latter would make continued suburban sprawl more difficult.

    We also can't rule out the Woke left developing some kind of an ideological objection to mosquito control, far beyond the movement against DDT. It doesn't even need to be open to have an effect, leftists are clearly unconcerned with opiods as they are killing their enemies. Favored leftist responses are "safe injection" and "tolerating the homeless". Presumably they could say that mosquito control, "threatens endangered birds". They want dams removed in Idaho because it "lowers food supply for endangered whales", so the precedent exists.
  35. @iffen
    There’s a strong taboo against conservative-leaning churches engaging the organizing common among black churches.

    Yes

    The GOP were the pioneers of “direct mail” campaigning, which they still rely on despite its obsolesence.

    Yes

    A lot of people, in my experience, really hate direct mail, which is more difficult to ignore than fundraising emails. TV attack ads, while often effective, are similarly despised by many.

    There’s a strong “civility-minded” Boomerlib orientation that wishes for publicly funded elections, and restrictions on the type of advertising. Combined with a strong “town hall” nostalgia.

    With the rise of WokeCapital, it would probably serve the Right to favor an amendment to overturn Citizens United. Forcing corporations and the wealthy to launder money through think tanks (which we can also regulate), rather than directly finance campaigns; would be in the long run beneficial to the public interest.

    • Replies: @iffen
    really hate direct mail

    Not me, it makes great fire-starter material.

    There’s a strong “civility-minded” Boomerlib orientation that wishes for publicly funded elections

    Yes, Common Cause, yada, yada, yada. Will not work.

    overturn Citizens United

    On the surface it seems "wrong," but if a corporation is a group of people that changes it for me.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    It is odd that "getting money out of politics" still tends to be a leftist position even though Democrats have massively outraised Republicans since 2008.
  36. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "especially if AGW causes certain tropical diseases to return to the South as was common before the 20th century."

    The only thing bringing tropical diseases back to the south are the tropical people invading that part of the nation.

    AGW is a wealth transfer con.

    Spread of malaria, iirc, is dependent upon a species of mosquito that no longer lives in the American South. At one point much of the South was swampland, until its draining.

    AGW is also said to cause both increased torrential rains, and droughts. The former is likely to increase flooding, restoring swamp like conditions at least for a time. The latter would make continued suburban sprawl more difficult.

    We also can’t rule out the Woke left developing some kind of an ideological objection to mosquito control, far beyond the movement against DDT. It doesn’t even need to be open to have an effect, leftists are clearly unconcerned with opiods as they are killing their enemies. Favored leftist responses are “safe injection” and “tolerating the homeless”. Presumably they could say that mosquito control, “threatens endangered birds”. They want dams removed in Idaho because it “lowers food supply for endangered whales”, so the precedent exists.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Spread of malaria, iirc, is dependent upon a species of mosquito that no longer lives in the American South. At one point much of the South was swampland, until its draining. "

    I'd be interested to see any data you might possess that indicates malaria is returning to the southern US.

    "AGW is also said to cause both increased torrential rains, and droughts."

    Please reread that sentence a few times, and perhaps you will see both the absurdity of the claim, as well as discover the amusingly weak foundation the entire AGW cause rests upon: 'No matter what the weather does, it's humans fault.'

    Here is an individual that I suggest you become familiar with, if you haven't already.

    https://realclimatescience.com/

    Here is a link to a page that addresses the myth of an increase in extreme weather events:

    https://realclimatescience.com/hiding-the-decline-in-extreme-weather/

    The websites proprietor is a guy named Tony Heller, you also runs a youtube channel in his own name. Since you intellectual types are big on credentialism, I will paste his below for you and those not willing to view an exhaustive amount of data he has collected from the IPCC and NOAA, as well as other sources deemed by the alarmists themselves to be the last word on Climate Change, and how he uses it to debunk the entirety of the alarmists' claims.

    From his website:

    BS Geology, Arizona State University
    Masters Electrical Engineering, Rice University
    Boston University Geology
    Northern Arizona University Computer Science
    Colorado State University Computer Science
    University of New Mexico Geochemistry

    Lifelong environmentalist.
    I testified at my first Congressional hearing in support of Wilderness in 1972.
    I fought for the Clean Air and Water acts
    Wilderness Ranger Cibola National Forest, New Mexico
    Wilderness Ranger Santa Fe National Forest, New Mexico
    Currently battling the City of Boulder, Colorado to stop development on the South Boulder Wetlands
    Full time cyclist for all my local transportation, for the past 40 years

    Teacher.
    Science teacher, Athletic Director and Soccer Coach at Oak Creek Ranch School, Arizona
    Math teacher at Phoenix Country Day School
    Substitute teacher at Murphy School District, Phoenix Arizona
    Computer instructor at Tomball College, Texas

    Geologist.
    Geothermal research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Oil shale research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Thermodynamic research of methane hydrates at Los Alamos National Labs
    Volcano research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Safety Analysis Report for the Permian Basin DOE nuclear waste disposal site
    Volunteer curator Arizona Mineral Museum

    Electrical Engineer
    Compaq/SGI MIPS consortium design team
    Power PC design team IBM/Apple/Motorola (Used in most game consoles over the last three decades, and PowerMacs)
    Sandia Labs computer architect
    Sandia Labs representative to Al Gore’s Bankers Trust key escrow consortium
    Cyrix Media GX microprocessor design team manager
    Raycer Graphics OpenGL graphics processor verification lead
    Design manager Hitachi/ST SH5 microprocessor
    Verification lead MemoryLogix microprocessor
    Founder, design lead Visual Media video effects/editing software
    OpenGL driver development ATI
    Itanium/i7 design team Intel (very likely being used by you right now)
    Sped up Helicos DNA sequencing algorithm by 50X
    Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
    Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
    Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows
    Drone visualization and control software for the US military
    Medical device control systems (under NDA)
    Virtual reality visualization design (under NDA)
    Radio control and visualization software (under NDA)

  37. @KR
    This information needs to be superimposed on the racial percentages of each state. Here's the state-by-state breakdown by race: http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/states-by-race/

    Let's compare three randomly chosen states in the middle of the listings to see if there's a racial/IQ correlation:

    11th -- Idaho: 91% white with about one-to-two percent of other racial categories. It's close to the historic white average IQ at 99.7

    21st -- Illinois: one point below the average white IQ at 99 with 72 percent white and 14 percent black.

    35th -- Arizona: average IQ around 97: It is 77.5 percent white with about 4.5 percent black/indian (feather) each.

    This doesn't correlate very well. One would think that Arizona, which has more whites and fewer blacks than Illinois, would have a higher average IQ. This state population database is flawed because it conflates Hispanic and white. A more nuanced breakdown of race by state would separate different "white" racial groups.

    These are based on the scores in schools, not all adults. Arizona for example maybe majority white, but in schools white kids are <40%.

  38. @216
    A lot of people, in my experience, really hate direct mail, which is more difficult to ignore than fundraising emails. TV attack ads, while often effective, are similarly despised by many.

    There's a strong "civility-minded" Boomerlib orientation that wishes for publicly funded elections, and restrictions on the type of advertising. Combined with a strong "town hall" nostalgia.

    With the rise of WokeCapital, it would probably serve the Right to favor an amendment to overturn Citizens United. Forcing corporations and the wealthy to launder money through think tanks (which we can also regulate), rather than directly finance campaigns; would be in the long run beneficial to the public interest.

    really hate direct mail

    Not me, it makes great fire-starter material.

    There’s a strong “civility-minded” Boomerlib orientation that wishes for publicly funded elections

    Yes, Common Cause, yada, yada, yada. Will not work.

    overturn Citizens United

    On the surface it seems “wrong,” but if a corporation is a group of people that changes it for me.

    • Replies: @216
    Banning political and drug advertising would deprive the left-run media of considerable revenue.
  39. @216
    Spread of malaria, iirc, is dependent upon a species of mosquito that no longer lives in the American South. At one point much of the South was swampland, until its draining.

    AGW is also said to cause both increased torrential rains, and droughts. The former is likely to increase flooding, restoring swamp like conditions at least for a time. The latter would make continued suburban sprawl more difficult.

    We also can't rule out the Woke left developing some kind of an ideological objection to mosquito control, far beyond the movement against DDT. It doesn't even need to be open to have an effect, leftists are clearly unconcerned with opiods as they are killing their enemies. Favored leftist responses are "safe injection" and "tolerating the homeless". Presumably they could say that mosquito control, "threatens endangered birds". They want dams removed in Idaho because it "lowers food supply for endangered whales", so the precedent exists.

    “Spread of malaria, iirc, is dependent upon a species of mosquito that no longer lives in the American South. At one point much of the South was swampland, until its draining. ”

    I’d be interested to see any data you might possess that indicates malaria is returning to the southern US.

    “AGW is also said to cause both increased torrential rains, and droughts.”

    Please reread that sentence a few times, and perhaps you will see both the absurdity of the claim, as well as discover the amusingly weak foundation the entire AGW cause rests upon: ‘No matter what the weather does, it’s humans fault.’

    Here is an individual that I suggest you become familiar with, if you haven’t already.

    https://realclimatescience.com/

    Here is a link to a page that addresses the myth of an increase in extreme weather events:

    https://realclimatescience.com/hiding-the-decline-in-extreme-weather/

    The websites proprietor is a guy named Tony Heller, you also runs a youtube channel in his own name. Since you intellectual types are big on credentialism, I will paste his below for you and those not willing to view an exhaustive amount of data he has collected from the IPCC and NOAA, as well as other sources deemed by the alarmists themselves to be the last word on Climate Change, and how he uses it to debunk the entirety of the alarmists’ claims.

    From his website:

    BS Geology, Arizona State University
    Masters Electrical Engineering, Rice University
    Boston University Geology
    Northern Arizona University Computer Science
    Colorado State University Computer Science
    University of New Mexico Geochemistry

    Lifelong environmentalist.
    I testified at my first Congressional hearing in support of Wilderness in 1972.
    I fought for the Clean Air and Water acts
    Wilderness Ranger Cibola National Forest, New Mexico
    Wilderness Ranger Santa Fe National Forest, New Mexico
    Currently battling the City of Boulder, Colorado to stop development on the South Boulder Wetlands
    Full time cyclist for all my local transportation, for the past 40 years

    Teacher.
    Science teacher, Athletic Director and Soccer Coach at Oak Creek Ranch School, Arizona
    Math teacher at Phoenix Country Day School
    Substitute teacher at Murphy School District, Phoenix Arizona
    Computer instructor at Tomball College, Texas

    Geologist.
    Geothermal research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Oil shale research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Thermodynamic research of methane hydrates at Los Alamos National Labs
    Volcano research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Safety Analysis Report for the Permian Basin DOE nuclear waste disposal site
    Volunteer curator Arizona Mineral Museum

    Electrical Engineer
    Compaq/SGI MIPS consortium design team
    Power PC design team IBM/Apple/Motorola (Used in most game consoles over the last three decades, and PowerMacs)
    Sandia Labs computer architect
    Sandia Labs representative to Al Gore’s Bankers Trust key escrow consortium
    Cyrix Media GX microprocessor design team manager
    Raycer Graphics OpenGL graphics processor verification lead
    Design manager Hitachi/ST SH5 microprocessor
    Verification lead MemoryLogix microprocessor
    Founder, design lead Visual Media video effects/editing software
    OpenGL driver development ATI
    Itanium/i7 design team Intel (very likely being used by you right now)
    Sped up Helicos DNA sequencing algorithm by 50X
    Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
    Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
    Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows
    Drone visualization and control software for the US military
    Medical device control systems (under NDA)
    Virtual reality visualization design (under NDA)
    Radio control and visualization software (under NDA)

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    None of this guy's education pertains at all to climate science, and this:

    Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
    Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
    Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows

     
    requires NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNDERLYING PHYSICS.

    I should know.  I've ported software and had no idea of what it was doing, just that it produced the same results.  Actually WRITING the software, starting with a model and proceeding to specs, is a completely different skill set... which I also have.

    , @216
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/climate-change-malaria/

    It appears there is no expert consensus on whether AGW is going to increase the incidence of malaria or not.

    https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/malaria-in-2050

    https://malariaworld.org/blog/how-did-usa-get-rid-malaria

    ---

    Going against AGW is social suicide for youth, I much prefer the nuclear power triangulation method.

    Data does indicate that hurricanes have become stronger since they started measuring them, and that wildfires in the Western states have also become much more destructive. The specific causes therein are not really important to me, what is important is that this is altering voting patterns.

    In a particularly egregious example, major wildfires in Sweden led to the Green Party staving off electoral annihilation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Sweden_wildfires

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2018_Swedish_general_election
  40. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Spread of malaria, iirc, is dependent upon a species of mosquito that no longer lives in the American South. At one point much of the South was swampland, until its draining. "

    I'd be interested to see any data you might possess that indicates malaria is returning to the southern US.

    "AGW is also said to cause both increased torrential rains, and droughts."

    Please reread that sentence a few times, and perhaps you will see both the absurdity of the claim, as well as discover the amusingly weak foundation the entire AGW cause rests upon: 'No matter what the weather does, it's humans fault.'

    Here is an individual that I suggest you become familiar with, if you haven't already.

    https://realclimatescience.com/

    Here is a link to a page that addresses the myth of an increase in extreme weather events:

    https://realclimatescience.com/hiding-the-decline-in-extreme-weather/

    The websites proprietor is a guy named Tony Heller, you also runs a youtube channel in his own name. Since you intellectual types are big on credentialism, I will paste his below for you and those not willing to view an exhaustive amount of data he has collected from the IPCC and NOAA, as well as other sources deemed by the alarmists themselves to be the last word on Climate Change, and how he uses it to debunk the entirety of the alarmists' claims.

    From his website:

    BS Geology, Arizona State University
    Masters Electrical Engineering, Rice University
    Boston University Geology
    Northern Arizona University Computer Science
    Colorado State University Computer Science
    University of New Mexico Geochemistry

    Lifelong environmentalist.
    I testified at my first Congressional hearing in support of Wilderness in 1972.
    I fought for the Clean Air and Water acts
    Wilderness Ranger Cibola National Forest, New Mexico
    Wilderness Ranger Santa Fe National Forest, New Mexico
    Currently battling the City of Boulder, Colorado to stop development on the South Boulder Wetlands
    Full time cyclist for all my local transportation, for the past 40 years

    Teacher.
    Science teacher, Athletic Director and Soccer Coach at Oak Creek Ranch School, Arizona
    Math teacher at Phoenix Country Day School
    Substitute teacher at Murphy School District, Phoenix Arizona
    Computer instructor at Tomball College, Texas

    Geologist.
    Geothermal research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Oil shale research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Thermodynamic research of methane hydrates at Los Alamos National Labs
    Volcano research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Safety Analysis Report for the Permian Basin DOE nuclear waste disposal site
    Volunteer curator Arizona Mineral Museum

    Electrical Engineer
    Compaq/SGI MIPS consortium design team
    Power PC design team IBM/Apple/Motorola (Used in most game consoles over the last three decades, and PowerMacs)
    Sandia Labs computer architect
    Sandia Labs representative to Al Gore’s Bankers Trust key escrow consortium
    Cyrix Media GX microprocessor design team manager
    Raycer Graphics OpenGL graphics processor verification lead
    Design manager Hitachi/ST SH5 microprocessor
    Verification lead MemoryLogix microprocessor
    Founder, design lead Visual Media video effects/editing software
    OpenGL driver development ATI
    Itanium/i7 design team Intel (very likely being used by you right now)
    Sped up Helicos DNA sequencing algorithm by 50X
    Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
    Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
    Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows
    Drone visualization and control software for the US military
    Medical device control systems (under NDA)
    Virtual reality visualization design (under NDA)
    Radio control and visualization software (under NDA)

    None of this guy’s education pertains at all to climate science, and this:

    Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
    Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
    Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows

    requires NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNDERLYING PHYSICS.

    I should know.  I’ve ported software and had no idea of what it was doing, just that it produced the same results.  Actually WRITING the software, starting with a model and proceeding to specs, is a completely different skill set… which I also have.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Your response comes too soon after mine for you to have viewed any of his extensive data. On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor. BTW, what are your credentials?
  41. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Spread of malaria, iirc, is dependent upon a species of mosquito that no longer lives in the American South. At one point much of the South was swampland, until its draining. "

    I'd be interested to see any data you might possess that indicates malaria is returning to the southern US.

    "AGW is also said to cause both increased torrential rains, and droughts."

    Please reread that sentence a few times, and perhaps you will see both the absurdity of the claim, as well as discover the amusingly weak foundation the entire AGW cause rests upon: 'No matter what the weather does, it's humans fault.'

    Here is an individual that I suggest you become familiar with, if you haven't already.

    https://realclimatescience.com/

    Here is a link to a page that addresses the myth of an increase in extreme weather events:

    https://realclimatescience.com/hiding-the-decline-in-extreme-weather/

    The websites proprietor is a guy named Tony Heller, you also runs a youtube channel in his own name. Since you intellectual types are big on credentialism, I will paste his below for you and those not willing to view an exhaustive amount of data he has collected from the IPCC and NOAA, as well as other sources deemed by the alarmists themselves to be the last word on Climate Change, and how he uses it to debunk the entirety of the alarmists' claims.

    From his website:

    BS Geology, Arizona State University
    Masters Electrical Engineering, Rice University
    Boston University Geology
    Northern Arizona University Computer Science
    Colorado State University Computer Science
    University of New Mexico Geochemistry

    Lifelong environmentalist.
    I testified at my first Congressional hearing in support of Wilderness in 1972.
    I fought for the Clean Air and Water acts
    Wilderness Ranger Cibola National Forest, New Mexico
    Wilderness Ranger Santa Fe National Forest, New Mexico
    Currently battling the City of Boulder, Colorado to stop development on the South Boulder Wetlands
    Full time cyclist for all my local transportation, for the past 40 years

    Teacher.
    Science teacher, Athletic Director and Soccer Coach at Oak Creek Ranch School, Arizona
    Math teacher at Phoenix Country Day School
    Substitute teacher at Murphy School District, Phoenix Arizona
    Computer instructor at Tomball College, Texas

    Geologist.
    Geothermal research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Oil shale research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Thermodynamic research of methane hydrates at Los Alamos National Labs
    Volcano research at Los Alamos National Labs
    Safety Analysis Report for the Permian Basin DOE nuclear waste disposal site
    Volunteer curator Arizona Mineral Museum

    Electrical Engineer
    Compaq/SGI MIPS consortium design team
    Power PC design team IBM/Apple/Motorola (Used in most game consoles over the last three decades, and PowerMacs)
    Sandia Labs computer architect
    Sandia Labs representative to Al Gore’s Bankers Trust key escrow consortium
    Cyrix Media GX microprocessor design team manager
    Raycer Graphics OpenGL graphics processor verification lead
    Design manager Hitachi/ST SH5 microprocessor
    Verification lead MemoryLogix microprocessor
    Founder, design lead Visual Media video effects/editing software
    OpenGL driver development ATI
    Itanium/i7 design team Intel (very likely being used by you right now)
    Sped up Helicos DNA sequencing algorithm by 50X
    Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
    Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
    Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows
    Drone visualization and control software for the US military
    Medical device control systems (under NDA)
    Virtual reality visualization design (under NDA)
    Radio control and visualization software (under NDA)

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/climate-change-malaria/

    It appears there is no expert consensus on whether AGW is going to increase the incidence of malaria or not.

    https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/malaria-in-2050

    https://malariaworld.org/blog/how-did-usa-get-rid-malaria

    Going against AGW is social suicide for youth, I much prefer the nuclear power triangulation method.

    Data does indicate that hurricanes have become stronger since they started measuring them, and that wildfires in the Western states have also become much more destructive. The specific causes therein are not really important to me, what is important is that this is altering voting patterns.

    In a particularly egregious example, major wildfires in Sweden led to the Green Party staving off electoral annihilation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Sweden_wildfires

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2018_Swedish_general_election

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "It appears there is no expert consensus on whether AGW is going to increase the incidence of malaria or not. "

    Consensus is not science, and AGW is a scam.

    "Data does indicate that hurricanes have become stronger since they started measuring them, and that wildfires in the Western states have also become much more destructive. "

    Based on this statement it is clear you did not even bother to skim the page link I provided to you that directed refutes that falsehood. Based on that, you've made it clear to me that this a religious issue for you, and I'll not argue faith with a true believer. Peace be with you.
  42. @iffen
    really hate direct mail

    Not me, it makes great fire-starter material.

    There’s a strong “civility-minded” Boomerlib orientation that wishes for publicly funded elections

    Yes, Common Cause, yada, yada, yada. Will not work.

    overturn Citizens United

    On the surface it seems "wrong," but if a corporation is a group of people that changes it for me.

    Banning political and drug advertising would deprive the left-run media of considerable revenue.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Banning political and drug advertising

    I don't like the idea of banning political speech.

    I'm okay with banning some commercial advertising.
  43. @Mr. Rational
    None of this guy's education pertains at all to climate science, and this:

    Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
    Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
    Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows

     
    requires NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNDERLYING PHYSICS.

    I should know.  I've ported software and had no idea of what it was doing, just that it produced the same results.  Actually WRITING the software, starting with a model and proceeding to specs, is a completely different skill set... which I also have.

    Your response comes too soon after mine for you to have viewed any of his extensive data. On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor. BTW, what are your credentials?

    • Replies: @iffen
    On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor.

    Horrors!

    Somebody dial 911!
    , @Mr. Rational

    Your response comes too soon after mine for you to have viewed any of his extensive data.
     
    I have found enough half-truths in claims of climate science "critics" that I no longer waste my time reviewing their "data".  I have a life that doesn't include forensic analysis of anti-science.

    On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor.
     
    What makes someone "objective"?  Agreeing with you?

    BTW, what are your credentials?
     
    My credentials are irrelevant to the credibility of Heller.  The slimy way he insinuates that he's qualified to judge the physics, when all he appears to be is a clever software hacker, is sufficient to discredit him.
  44. @216
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/climate-change-malaria/

    It appears there is no expert consensus on whether AGW is going to increase the incidence of malaria or not.

    https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/malaria-in-2050

    https://malariaworld.org/blog/how-did-usa-get-rid-malaria

    ---

    Going against AGW is social suicide for youth, I much prefer the nuclear power triangulation method.

    Data does indicate that hurricanes have become stronger since they started measuring them, and that wildfires in the Western states have also become much more destructive. The specific causes therein are not really important to me, what is important is that this is altering voting patterns.

    In a particularly egregious example, major wildfires in Sweden led to the Green Party staving off electoral annihilation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Sweden_wildfires

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2018_Swedish_general_election

    “It appears there is no expert consensus on whether AGW is going to increase the incidence of malaria or not. ”

    Consensus is not science, and AGW is a scam.

    “Data does indicate that hurricanes have become stronger since they started measuring them, and that wildfires in the Western states have also become much more destructive. ”

    Based on this statement it is clear you did not even bother to skim the page link I provided to you that directed refutes that falsehood. Based on that, you’ve made it clear to me that this a religious issue for you, and I’ll not argue faith with a true believer. Peace be with you.

  45. How does an IQ test discriminate between literate and illiterate people? There could be an illiterate goatherd in Mongolia who happens to be super bright but has never been exposed to reading, writing and math. On the other hand there are mediocre people who toil in government or academia, for example. Because they probably deal with abstract symbols daily they should probably score higher than people who read nothing at all. How does a single IQ score account for the widely different experiences of human beings?

  46. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Your response comes too soon after mine for you to have viewed any of his extensive data. On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor. BTW, what are your credentials?

    On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor.

    Horrors!

    Somebody dial 911!

  47. @216
    Banning political and drug advertising would deprive the left-run media of considerable revenue.

    Banning political and drug advertising

    I don’t like the idea of banning political speech.

    I’m okay with banning some commercial advertising.

  48. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Your response comes too soon after mine for you to have viewed any of his extensive data. On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor. BTW, what are your credentials?

    Your response comes too soon after mine for you to have viewed any of his extensive data.

    I have found enough half-truths in claims of climate science “critics” that I no longer waste my time reviewing their “data”.  I have a life that doesn’t include forensic analysis of anti-science.

    On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor.

    What makes someone “objective”?  Agreeing with you?

    BTW, what are your credentials?

    My credentials are irrelevant to the credibility of Heller.  The slimy way he insinuates that he’s qualified to judge the physics, when all he appears to be is a clever software hacker, is sufficient to discredit him.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I have found enough half-truths in claims of climate science “critics” Jew-haters that I no longer waste my time reviewing their “data”.

    Works for lots of subjects.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Heller's data comes straight from the IPCC, NOAA, and other climate organizations that endorse the myth of man made climate change. If that data contains half truths, then it is those organizations that have presented it.

    "What makes someone “objective”? "

    Looking at all the data, which your just admitted you are unwilling to do.

    "My credentials are irrelevant to the credibility of Heller."

    As are your criticisms of him. I suppose you think Dr. Richard Lindzen (Meteorology professor at MIT for 30 years) is just a second rate meth cook.

    To summarize, you have been given a website chock full of verifiable data and your response is to deflect and smear. No credible refutation has been offered by you or 216.
  49. Not long ago, Iowa had the top ACT scores in the country, and Kansas was 4th. Note, states with a high population of privileged minorities have low IQs, but this low IQ crowd does not take the ACT unless their scores are boosted by affirmative action rules.

  50. @Mr. Rational

    Your response comes too soon after mine for you to have viewed any of his extensive data.
     
    I have found enough half-truths in claims of climate science "critics" that I no longer waste my time reviewing their "data".  I have a life that doesn't include forensic analysis of anti-science.

    On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor.
     
    What makes someone "objective"?  Agreeing with you?

    BTW, what are your credentials?
     
    My credentials are irrelevant to the credibility of Heller.  The slimy way he insinuates that he's qualified to judge the physics, when all he appears to be is a clever software hacker, is sufficient to discredit him.

    I have found enough half-truths in claims of climate science “critics” Jew-haters that I no longer waste my time reviewing their “data”.

    Works for lots of subjects.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Only works if it's true, my friend.  As someone who qualifies as an "anti-semite" (someone Jews hate), I'd be too friendly to such claims to examine them critically in any event.
  51. @GuillaumeDeNogaret
    Dear Audacious, you should do a post about the cut off scores for National Merit. The cut off score is the level to be in the top 1% in your State. It gives an indication of the size of the smart fraction in each State. It's probably fairly comprehensive because even private school kids take the PSAT in 11th grade (better than SAT which not everybody takes, and many people take several times). Interestingly, Washington DC is ranked first (ex aequo with Massachusetts and expat kids) for the performance of its top 1% and dead last in terms of average. I don't know whether they publish the detailed distribution of PSAT scores by State (would be nice to have Gini coefficient of cognitive performance).

    https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalist-cutoffs/

    Agreed that would be a good topic. It might help to combine that data with SAT and ACT score averages.
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-by-state-most-recent
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/act-scores-by-state-averages-highs-and-lows

    If anyone is interested, I put together a spreadsheet combining those (CSV after the MORE). To do a good analysis it would be necessary to deal with very different participation rates for the SAT and ACT. The quick correlations I checked show that is an issue.

    [MORE]

    State,Class of 2020,Chg,Class of 2019,Class of 2018,Class of 2017,Typical # of Semifinalists,State – SAT,Participation Rate,EBRW,Math,Total,State – ACT,Participation,English,Math,Reading,Science,Composite,,Max Participation,,Correlations,
    Alabama,216,0,216,216,215,225,Alabama,7%,583,560,1143,Alabama,100%,18.9,18.4,19.7,19.4,19.2,,100%,,,
    Alaska,213,-2,215,217,213,40,Alaska,41%,556,541,1097,Alaska,65%,18.7,19.8,20.4,19.9,19.8,,65%,,,
    Arizona,219,-1,220,220,219,300,Arizona,31%,569,565,1134,Arizona,62%,18.6,19.8,20.1,19.8,19.7,,62%,,Correlation NMSF SAT,-0.331660165
    Arkansas,214,0,214,215,213,140,Arkansas,6%,582,559,1141,Arkansas,100%,18.9,19,19.7,19.5,19.4,,100%,,Correlation NMSF ACT,0.530035409
    California,222,-1,223,222,221,”2,050″,California,63%,534,531,1065,California,31%,22.5,22.7,23.1,22.2,22.8,,63%,,Correlation SAT ACT,-0.341370009
    Colorado,220,-1,221,220,218,245,Colorado,100%,518,506,1024,Colorado,100%,20.1,20.3,21.2,20.9,20.8,,100%,,,
    Connecticut,221,-1,222,221,220,185,Connecticut,100%,529,516,1046,Connecticut,31%,25.5,24.6,25.6,24.6,25.2,,100%,,,
    Delaware,220,-2,222,221,218,45,Delaware,100%,499,486,985,Delaware,18%,24.1,23.4,24.8,23.6,24.1,,100%,,,
    District of Columbia,223,0,223,223,222,50,District of Columbia,94%,495,480,975,District of Columbia,32%,24.4,23.5,24.9,23.5,24.2,,94%,,,
    Florida,219,0,219,219,217,810,Florida,100%,516,483,999,Florida,73%,19,19.4,21,19.4,19.8,,100%,,,
    Georgia,220,0,220,220,219,460,Georgia,71%,538,519,1058,Georgia,55%,21,20.9,22,21.3,21.4,,71%,,,
    Hawaii,219,-1,220,220,217,65,Hawaii,54%,550,550,1100,Hawaii,90%,17.8,19.2,19.2,19.3,19,,90%,,,
    Idaho,215,1,214,216,214,85,Idaho,100%,505,488,993,Idaho,38%,21.9,21.8,23,22.1,22.3,,100%,,,
    Illinois,221,0,221,221,219,735,Illinois,100%,509,504,1013,Illinois,93%,21,21.2,21.6,21.3,21.4,,100%,,,
    Indiana,218,-1,219,219,217,335,Indiana,66%,543,537,1080,Indiana,35%,22,22.4,23.2,22.3,22.6,,66%,,,
    Iowa,215,-1,216,216,215,170,Iowa,3%,622,622,1244,Iowa,67%,21.2,21.3,22.6,22.1,21.9,,67%,,,
    Kansas,218,0,218,219,217,155,Kansas,4%,618,623,1241,Kansas,73%,21.1,21.3,22.3,21.7,21.7,,73%,,,
    Kentucky,217,-1,218,217,215,215,Kentucky,4%,620,612,1232,Kentucky,100%,19.6,19.4,20.5,20.1,20,,100%,,,
    Louisiana,215,-2,217,216,214,210,Louisiana,5%,610,591,1200,Louisiana,100%,19.4,18.8,19.8,19.6,19.5,,100%,,,
    Maine,215,-2,217,215,214,75,Maine,99%,512,502,1013,Maine,8%,24.2,24,24.8,23.7,24.3,,99%,,,
    Maryland,222,-1,223,222,221,315,Maryland,82%,535,523,1058,Maryland,28%,23.3,23.1,24.2,23.2,23.6,,82%,,,
    Massachusetts,223,0,223,222,222,345,Massachusetts,81%,559,561,1120,Massachusetts,29%,25.4,25.3,25.9,24.7,25.4,,81%,,,
    Michigan,219,0,219,219,216,565,Michigan,100%,507,496,1003,Michigan,29%,24.1,23.7,24.5,23.8,24.1,,100%,,,
    Minnesota,219,-1,220,220,219,300,Minnesota,4%,636,648,1284,Minnesota,100%,20.4,21.5,21.8,21.6,21.5,,100%,,,
    Mississippi,214,-1,215,213,212,135,Mississippi,3%,628,608,1237,Mississippi,100%,18.2,18.1,18.8,18.8,18.6,,100%,,,
    Missouri,217,0,217,217,216,335,Missouri,4%,622,615,1236,Missouri,100%,19.8,19.9,20.8,20.5,20.4,,100%,,,
    Montana,214,0,214,214,210,50,Montana,9%,603,596,1199,Montana,100%,19,20.2,21,20.5,20.3,,100%,,,
    Nebraska,216,0,216,215,215,100,Nebraska,3%,628,631,1260,Nebraska,84%,20.9,20.9,21.9,21.5,21.4,,84%,,,
    Nevada,218,0,218,217,214,100,Nevada,20%,580,576,1156,Nevada,100%,16.3,18,18.1,18.2,17.8,,100%,,,
    New Hampshire,218,-1,219,217,216,75,New Hampshire,95%,533,526,1059,New Hampshire,18%,25.4,25.1,26,24.9,25.5,,95%,,,
    New Jersey,223,0,223,223,222,520,New Jersey,82%,544,545,1090,New Jersey,34%,23.8,23.8,24.1,23.2,23.9,,82%,,,
    New Mexico,213,-2,215,215,213,90,New Mexico,18%,543,530,1073,New Mexico,66%,18.6,19.4,20.4,20,19.7,,66%,,,
    New York,221,0,221,221,219,”1,010″,New York,79%,531,533,1064,New York,31%,23.8,24,24.6,23.9,24.2,,79%,,,
    North Carolina,219,-1,220,219,218,440,North Carolina,51%,554,546,1100,North Carolina,100%,17.8,19.3,19.6,19.3,19.1,,100%,,,
    North Dakota,212,0,212,211,209,30,North Dakota,2%,627,636,1263,North Dakota,98%,19,20.4,20.5,20.6,20.3,,98%,,,
    Ohio,218,-1,219,219,217,615,Ohio,19%,550,548,1097,Ohio,75%,21.2,21.6,22.5,22,22,,75%,,,
    Oklahoma,214,-1,215,216,213,185,Oklahoma,22%,490,472,963,Oklahoma,100%,18.5,18.8,20.1,19.6,19.4,,100%,,,
    Oregon,220,-1,221,220,219,180,Oregon,51%,562,550,1112,Oregon,40%,21.2,21.5,22.4,21.7,21.8,,51%,,,
    Pennsylvania,220,0,220,219,218,680,Pennsylvania,70%,545,537,1082,Pennsylvania,23%,23.4,23.4,24.2,23.3,23.7,,70%,,,
    Rhode Island,218,-2,220,216,217,55,Rhode Island,100%,503,492,995,Rhode Island,21%,24,23.3,24.7,23.4,24,,100%,,,
    South Carolina,215,-1,216,217,215,200,South Carolina,68%,526,504,1030,South Carolina,100%,17.5,18.6,19.1,18.9,18.7,,100%,,,
    South Dakota,214,-1,215,215,209,45,South Dakota,3%,633,635,1268,South Dakota,80%,20.7,21.5,22.3,22,21.8,,80%,,,
    Tennessee,219,0,219,218,218,325,Tennessee,7%,618,602,1220,Tennessee,100%,19.5,19.2,20.1,19.9,19.8,,100%,,,
    Texas,221,0,221,221,220,”1,340″,Texas,68%,515,507,1022,Texas,45%,19.5,20.7,21.1,20.9,20.7,,68%,,,
    Utah,215,0,215,216,215,155,Utah,4%,614,615,1230,Utah,100%,19.5,19.9,20.8,20.6,20.3,,100%,,,
    Vermont,216,0,216,217,215,40,Vermont,66%,560,546,1106,Vermont,29%,23.3,23.1,24.4,23.2,23.6,,66%,,,
    Virginia,222,0,222,222,221,390,Virginia,68%,567,551,1119,Virginia,29%,23.5,23.3,24.6,23.5,23.8,,68%,,,
    Washington,221,-1,222,222,220,330,Washington,70%,539,535,1074,Washington,29%,20.9,21.9,22.1,22,21.9,,70%,,,
    West Virginia,212,0,212,211,209,75,West Virginia,99%,483,460,943,West Virginia,69%,20,19.4,21.2,20.5,20.4,,99%,,,
    Wisconsin,216,0,216,217,215,330,Wisconsin,3%,635,648,1283,Wisconsin,100%,19.7,20.4,20.6,20.9,20.5,,100%,,,
    Wyoming,212,0,212,213,209,25,Wyoming,3%,623,615,1238,Wyoming,100%,19.4,19.8,20.8,20.6,20.2,,100%,,,

  52. @Anonymous
    Considering the US is probably now majority non-white, I'm surprised that the average IQ is holding up at around 100 and on par with if not higher than many almost 100% white countries.

    It almost suggests that given the right conditions, non-white intelligence levels are comparable to whites, if the stats are to be believed.

    Right conditions of course being the 50 year plus campaign to drag whites down.

  53. @J1234
    Harvard, MIT and other prestigious schools are a factor, I presume. Remove those, and it would be interesting to see what the impact on aggregate IQ is.

    I admit that I'm a little surprised to see Alaska near the bottom. Would that be a function of an extensive "indigenous" population, I wonder? I perceive Alaska as being rather Jeffersonian with it's frontier image, but I also perceive it as being a place that misfits retreat to when they can't function in the lower 48. Interesting stats. I like that New York and California are ranked way below my state.

    This is a measure of intelligence at the 8th grade level, so prestigious schools not directly contributing. There is benefit to the MA numbers in that Boston/Cambridge is a net importer of highly intelligent people for MIT/Harvard who often stay in the area, and then tend to have bright kids who raise the 8th grade levels for MA.

  54. @Sam Coulton
    No way man, you can just be honest and admit that white people in the deep south are genuinely less intelligent than northern whites. Hell, a lot of white southerners aren't even white.

    Hell, a lot of white southerners aren’t even white.

    The majority of self-identified white southerners do not have black ancestry and the majority of those who do are in the 1-2% range or lower.

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(14)00476-5

    • Replies: @iffen
    The majority of self-identified white southerners do not have black ancestry

    All of my ancestry lines have been in the South since the 1700's, and mostly in the Deep South. My hair does get a little kinky on payday Fridays.
    , @Sam Coulton
    If you mean "self idetified white 23andMe customers living in the US South", sure.

    If you mean average white southerner who has never purchased a 200 dollar DNA test, no.
    Avsrage white southerner is 15% groid.
  55. @Truth
    Oh, so smart people are liberals?

    It shows race, Einstein. Whitest states are smartest.
    Must suck to be humiliated by strangers on the internet

    • Replies: @Truth
    I don't know Tesla, NJ, MA and CT are blacker than WV and AL.
  56. @Mr. Rational

    Your response comes too soon after mine for you to have viewed any of his extensive data.
     
    I have found enough half-truths in claims of climate science "critics" that I no longer waste my time reviewing their "data".  I have a life that doesn't include forensic analysis of anti-science.

    On this issue you have proven yourself to not be an objective contributor.
     
    What makes someone "objective"?  Agreeing with you?

    BTW, what are your credentials?
     
    My credentials are irrelevant to the credibility of Heller.  The slimy way he insinuates that he's qualified to judge the physics, when all he appears to be is a clever software hacker, is sufficient to discredit him.

    Heller’s data comes straight from the IPCC, NOAA, and other climate organizations that endorse the myth of man made climate change. If that data contains half truths, then it is those organizations that have presented it.

    “What makes someone “objective”? ”

    Looking at all the data, which your just admitted you are unwilling to do.

    “My credentials are irrelevant to the credibility of Heller.”

    As are your criticisms of him. I suppose you think Dr. Richard Lindzen (Meteorology professor at MIT for 30 years) is just a second rate meth cook.

    To summarize, you have been given a website chock full of verifiable data and your response is to deflect and smear. No credible refutation has been offered by you or 216.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Looking at all the data, which your just admitted you are unwilling to do.
     
    I'm not unwilling.  I used to dig into stuff like that until I could find the false premise or erroneous use of logic.  That was fun... when I had time to do it.  I don't have time any more.

    Little pleasures like BLTs from late-season home-grown tomatoes are about all I can squeeze in now.
  57. The only particularly smart whites are Germanics and Anglos, outside of those two groups most white nations have average IQs in the low to mid 90s and are really not much more intelligent than many non-white groups.

  58. Should the “average” 8th grader be at 100? Because there are a lot more states below 100 than above 100 iq, and it doesn’t seem to be the case that the fewer states above 100 are states with the largest populations to bring the “average” 8th grader to 100?

    Is the way to read this that the “average” 8th grader is now at under 100 iq? Maybe it was 100 iq at some point in the past, but are 8th graders overall not as smart as they used to be?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Something around 96 is probably closer to the truth.
  59. @iffen
    I have found enough half-truths in claims of climate science “critics” Jew-haters that I no longer waste my time reviewing their “data”.

    Works for lots of subjects.

    Only works if it’s true, my friend.  As someone who qualifies as an “anti-semite” (someone Jews hate), I’d be too friendly to such claims to examine them critically in any event.

  60. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Heller's data comes straight from the IPCC, NOAA, and other climate organizations that endorse the myth of man made climate change. If that data contains half truths, then it is those organizations that have presented it.

    "What makes someone “objective”? "

    Looking at all the data, which your just admitted you are unwilling to do.

    "My credentials are irrelevant to the credibility of Heller."

    As are your criticisms of him. I suppose you think Dr. Richard Lindzen (Meteorology professor at MIT for 30 years) is just a second rate meth cook.

    To summarize, you have been given a website chock full of verifiable data and your response is to deflect and smear. No credible refutation has been offered by you or 216.

    Looking at all the data, which your just admitted you are unwilling to do.

    I’m not unwilling.  I used to dig into stuff like that until I could find the false premise or erroneous use of logic.  That was fun… when I had time to do it.  I don’t have time any more.

    Little pleasures like BLTs from late-season home-grown tomatoes are about all I can squeeze in now.

    • Replies: @iffen
    late-season home-grown tomatoes

    I had to pick mine before they were ready because AGW screwed with the Polar Jet Stream.

  61. @Mr. Rational

    Looking at all the data, which your just admitted you are unwilling to do.
     
    I'm not unwilling.  I used to dig into stuff like that until I could find the false premise or erroneous use of logic.  That was fun... when I had time to do it.  I don't have time any more.

    Little pleasures like BLTs from late-season home-grown tomatoes are about all I can squeeze in now.

    late-season home-grown tomatoes

    I had to pick mine before they were ready because AGW screwed with the Polar Jet Stream.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    The trick is to uproot the plants and hang them indoors.  The fruit still ripens even though the vines are dead.
  62. @EldnahYm

    Hell, a lot of white southerners aren’t even white.
     
    The majority of self-identified white southerners do not have black ancestry and the majority of those who do are in the 1-2% range or lower.

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(14)00476-5

    The majority of self-identified white southerners do not have black ancestry

    All of my ancestry lines have been in the South since the 1700’s, and mostly in the Deep South. My hair does get a little kinky on payday Fridays.

  63. @Ed Powell
    I know I could do it, but you seem better at these things than I am. Can you please do a scatter plot of IQ on one axis and percent white school population on the other axis? Thx.

    I’ll do one better!

  64. @Nodwink
    It's pretty weird to imply a connection between above-average IQ and voting for Trump, especially with so many red States in the bottom half of the rankings. It's also bad science, as it is possible that a heap of 110+ folks among Hillary voters might have boosted the scores for DoDEA.

    The lack of natural intelligence in DC is no surprise, though.

    I didn’t intend to imply that, only to dissuade people from the idea that military personnel are pulled from the ranks of people who are too dumb to do anything else. To the contrary, they come from the ranks of the country’s most underutilized natural resource–smart white boys from flyover country.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I guess it's just coincidence those smart white boys are the one who get sent off to die in meaningless wars.
  65. @GuillaumeDeNogaret
    Dear Audacious, you should do a post about the cut off scores for National Merit. The cut off score is the level to be in the top 1% in your State. It gives an indication of the size of the smart fraction in each State. It's probably fairly comprehensive because even private school kids take the PSAT in 11th grade (better than SAT which not everybody takes, and many people take several times). Interestingly, Washington DC is ranked first (ex aequo with Massachusetts and expat kids) for the performance of its top 1% and dead last in terms of average. I don't know whether they publish the detailed distribution of PSAT scores by State (would be nice to have Gini coefficient of cognitive performance).

    https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalist-cutoffs/

    The cutoffs probably correlate well with white NAEP scores. Working on that now.

  66. @Thulean Friend
    Seems to corroborate the big shift of middle-class suburban whites to the democratic party. The former Romney types, who went to the neoliberal democrats whereas Trump attracted quite a few (inactive) working class whites to make up for it.

    Does the NAEP break down achievement by race as well? It'd be interesting to compare it with SAT numbers where Asians have pulled way ahead - though in a context where the SAT has become less g-loaded and easier to prep/cram on.

    It does and I will. There are only scores for whites in every state though due to sample size. Most states have black scores as well, many have Hispanics, a few have Asians.

  67. @Anonymous
    Considering the US is probably now majority non-white, I'm surprised that the average IQ is holding up at around 100 and on par with if not higher than many almost 100% white countries.

    It almost suggests that given the right conditions, non-white intelligence levels are comparable to whites, if the stats are to be believed.

    The US isn’t majority non-white yet–that’s a couple of decades down the road at current rates. The 8th public school population, though, is probably pretty close to 50% white and 50% non-white.

  68. @Truth
    Oh, so smart people are liberals?

    Yes, as measured by IQ (especially verbal IQ), they tend to be so.

  69. @Bragadocious
    I know Massachusetts people are quite proud of being the "smartest" state. But I argue with these liberals on the Boston Globe website every day, and I can tell you they're overrated. They show very little interest in foreign affairs and don't offer much besides the DNC talking point of the day. ("Ukraine is vital to our interests," etc) They're also hyper-aggressive about their corner of the universe and will suspend their normal progressive views when outsiders commit acts of violence against them (like the Tsarnaevs). So basically, they're belligerent and territorial but ultimately unimpressive as thinkers. A few exceptions of course.

    If the UR readership formed a state, it’d be way off these charts.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @iffen
    If the UR readership formed a state, it’d be way off these charts.

    Talk about a polity in desperate need of dissolution because of basic incongruities.


    • LOL: Mr. Rational

    He didn't specify which way.
  70. @MikeatMikedotMike
    More important than Red / Blue state allegiances is of course, racial make up of each state. Massachusetts is only 3% black and less than 5% Hispanic, while Washington DC is.... 47% black and 10% "Hispanic", while New Mexico is 10% Amerindian and 47% "Hispanic" which more than not means mestizo. Alabama is 30% black and almost 10% Hispanic.

    I imagine AE knows this, but better to pretend muh politics! in case any FBI agents disguised as KKK members are reading.

    muh politics

    It’s a nod to the infamous 2004 IQ hoax. Man how time flies…

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Yeah ok.
  71. @KR
    This information needs to be superimposed on the racial percentages of each state. Here's the state-by-state breakdown by race: http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/states-by-race/

    Let's compare three randomly chosen states in the middle of the listings to see if there's a racial/IQ correlation:

    11th -- Idaho: 91% white with about one-to-two percent of other racial categories. It's close to the historic white average IQ at 99.7

    21st -- Illinois: one point below the average white IQ at 99 with 72 percent white and 14 percent black.

    35th -- Arizona: average IQ around 97: It is 77.5 percent white with about 4.5 percent black/indian (feather) each.

    This doesn't correlate very well. One would think that Arizona, which has more whites and fewer blacks than Illinois, would have a higher average IQ. This state population database is flawed because it conflates Hispanic and white. A more nuanced breakdown of race by state would separate different "white" racial groups.

    The plants that sprouted from Albion’s Seed are still growing.

  72. @216
    A lot of people, in my experience, really hate direct mail, which is more difficult to ignore than fundraising emails. TV attack ads, while often effective, are similarly despised by many.

    There's a strong "civility-minded" Boomerlib orientation that wishes for publicly funded elections, and restrictions on the type of advertising. Combined with a strong "town hall" nostalgia.

    With the rise of WokeCapital, it would probably serve the Right to favor an amendment to overturn Citizens United. Forcing corporations and the wealthy to launder money through think tanks (which we can also regulate), rather than directly finance campaigns; would be in the long run beneficial to the public interest.

    It is odd that “getting money out of politics” still tends to be a leftist position even though Democrats have massively outraised Republicans since 2008.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @iffen
    Elizabeth Warren prohibits special access for big donors — but her campaign treasurer and another close ally are organizing wealthy supporters for Warren behind the scenes while she rips on the rich.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/18/big-democratic-donors-elizabeth-warren-2020-071333

    Priceless!
  73. @Audacious Epigone
    I didn't intend to imply that, only to dissuade people from the idea that military personnel are pulled from the ranks of people who are too dumb to do anything else. To the contrary, they come from the ranks of the country's most underutilized natural resource--smart white boys from flyover country.

    I guess it’s just coincidence those smart white boys are the one who get sent off to die in meaningless wars.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I guess it’s just coincidence those smart white boys are the one who get sent off to die in meaningless wars.
     
    If they volunteer to serve in the military they know that the only fighting they'll ever do will be in meaningless wars that have nothing to do with defending their own country. But they volunteer anyway. Maybe they're not so smart after all?

    Or maybe being smart and having an above average IQ are not quite the same thing?
  74. @anon
    It shows race, Einstein. Whitest states are smartest.
    Must suck to be humiliated by strangers on the internet

    I don’t know Tesla, NJ, MA and CT are blacker than WV and AL.

  75. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I guess it's just coincidence those smart white boys are the one who get sent off to die in meaningless wars.

    I guess it’s just coincidence those smart white boys are the one who get sent off to die in meaningless wars.

    If they volunteer to serve in the military they know that the only fighting they’ll ever do will be in meaningless wars that have nothing to do with defending their own country. But they volunteer anyway. Maybe they’re not so smart after all?

    Or maybe being smart and having an above average IQ are not quite the same thing?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Or maybe after a lifetime of being brainwashed by a hostile educational system / media campaign they haven't the experience or wisdom to understand otherwise by the time they're 18-21 years old.

    Take a look in the mirror for a perfect example of this.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    More charitably, we're talking about good, decent, honorable young white men who to be proud of who they are and what they believe in, and they live in a society where--as good, decent, honorable young white men--one of the few ways they're allowed to (implicitly) do it is in the military.
  76. @dfordoom

    I guess it’s just coincidence those smart white boys are the one who get sent off to die in meaningless wars.
     
    If they volunteer to serve in the military they know that the only fighting they'll ever do will be in meaningless wars that have nothing to do with defending their own country. But they volunteer anyway. Maybe they're not so smart after all?

    Or maybe being smart and having an above average IQ are not quite the same thing?

    Or maybe after a lifetime of being brainwashed by a hostile educational system / media campaign they haven’t the experience or wisdom to understand otherwise by the time they’re 18-21 years old.

    Take a look in the mirror for a perfect example of this.

  77. @Audacious Epigone
    It is odd that "getting money out of politics" still tends to be a leftist position even though Democrats have massively outraised Republicans since 2008.

    Elizabeth Warren prohibits special access for big donors — but her campaign treasurer and another close ally are organizing wealthy supporters for Warren behind the scenes while she rips on the rich.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/18/big-democratic-donors-elizabeth-warren-2020-071333

    Priceless!

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  78. @iffen
    late-season home-grown tomatoes

    I had to pick mine before they were ready because AGW screwed with the Polar Jet Stream.

    The trick is to uproot the plants and hang them indoors.  The fruit still ripens even though the vines are dead.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I have tried to sell this idea to my wife. I told her we could have a hanging tomato vine display instead of a Christmas tree. It would come with built-in red and green ornaments. I even tried the environmental angle; we won't have to kill a young innocent Fraser fir, we would be doing major repurposing and recycling, etc. She said, "Oh, hell no." But how amenable to a pragmatic and sensible idea can we expect a Never Trumper to be? I have a plan, though. On the 2nd day of Thanksgiving turkey left-overs, I will casually mention that this time next year we could be having a BLT right now if we have a tomato vine Christmas tree.

    I don't care what the ADL says, by God. Any man that enjoys a simple heavenly pleasure like BLTs with home-grown tomatos can't be all bad. (We have to guard against cryptos, so I have to ask, "You do insist upon toasted bread, right?")

  79. @EldnahYm

    Hell, a lot of white southerners aren’t even white.
     
    The majority of self-identified white southerners do not have black ancestry and the majority of those who do are in the 1-2% range or lower.

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(14)00476-5

    If you mean “self idetified white 23andMe customers living in the US South”, sure.

    If you mean average white southerner who has never purchased a 200 dollar DNA test, no.
    Avsrage white southerner is 15% groid.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational, HammerJack
    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    You're full of shit.

    So what excuse do the Irish have for having lower IQs than southern whites who are apparently 15% Black?
  80. @Audacious Epigone
    If the UR readership formed a state, it'd be way off these charts.

    If the UR readership formed a state, it’d be way off these charts.

    Talk about a polity in desperate need of dissolution because of basic incongruities.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational

    He didn’t specify which way.

  81. @Mr. Rational
    The trick is to uproot the plants and hang them indoors.  The fruit still ripens even though the vines are dead.

    I have tried to sell this idea to my wife. I told her we could have a hanging tomato vine display instead of a Christmas tree. It would come with built-in red and green ornaments. I even tried the environmental angle; we won’t have to kill a young innocent Fraser fir, we would be doing major repurposing and recycling, etc. She said, “Oh, hell no.” But how amenable to a pragmatic and sensible idea can we expect a Never Trumper to be? I have a plan, though. On the 2nd day of Thanksgiving turkey left-overs, I will casually mention that this time next year we could be having a BLT right now if we have a tomato vine Christmas tree.

    I don’t care what the ADL says, by God. Any man that enjoys a simple heavenly pleasure like BLTs with home-grown tomatos can’t be all bad. (We have to guard against cryptos, so I have to ask, “You do insist upon toasted bread, right?”)

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    You know you are truly anti-kosher when you brush bacon grease onto the toast before the mayonnaise to get an extra dose of that delicious bacon flavor.
  82. Longitudinal IQ data please. Also, it would help if interstate migration patterns disaggregated by age could be overlaid.

    This would illustrate how places like Massachusetts, New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire and even Vermont are the places where IQ genes go to die — and which States are having the IQ genes sucked out of them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I forget who, but someone described places like those and especially Singapore as IQ shredders; intelligent people go there and then have radically sub-replacement fertility.
  83. @James Bowery
    Longitudinal IQ data please. Also, it would help if interstate migration patterns disaggregated by age could be overlaid.

    This would illustrate how places like Massachusetts, New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire and even Vermont are the places where IQ genes go to die -- and which States are having the IQ genes sucked out of them.

    I forget who, but someone described places like those and especially Singapore as IQ shredders; intelligent people go there and then have radically sub-replacement fertility.

  84. @iffen
    I have tried to sell this idea to my wife. I told her we could have a hanging tomato vine display instead of a Christmas tree. It would come with built-in red and green ornaments. I even tried the environmental angle; we won't have to kill a young innocent Fraser fir, we would be doing major repurposing and recycling, etc. She said, "Oh, hell no." But how amenable to a pragmatic and sensible idea can we expect a Never Trumper to be? I have a plan, though. On the 2nd day of Thanksgiving turkey left-overs, I will casually mention that this time next year we could be having a BLT right now if we have a tomato vine Christmas tree.

    I don't care what the ADL says, by God. Any man that enjoys a simple heavenly pleasure like BLTs with home-grown tomatos can't be all bad. (We have to guard against cryptos, so I have to ask, "You do insist upon toasted bread, right?")

    You know you are truly anti-kosher when you brush bacon grease onto the toast before the mayonnaise to get an extra dose of that delicious bacon flavor.

    • Replies: @iffen
    A common practice is to dip the inner sides of a split biscuit into the gravy in order to add flavor and keep the biscuit from being too dry when a piece of country ham is added between the two halves, sometimes called the Southern "ham biscuit". (The Appalachian ham biscuit is simply a biscuit with country ham.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-eye_gravy
  85. @Mr. Rational
    You know you are truly anti-kosher when you brush bacon grease onto the toast before the mayonnaise to get an extra dose of that delicious bacon flavor.

    A common practice is to dip the inner sides of a split biscuit into the gravy in order to add flavor and keep the biscuit from being too dry when a piece of country ham is added between the two halves, sometimes called the Southern “ham biscuit”. (The Appalachian ham biscuit is simply a biscuit with country ham.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-eye_gravy

  86. @Sam Coulton
    If you mean "self idetified white 23andMe customers living in the US South", sure.

    If you mean average white southerner who has never purchased a 200 dollar DNA test, no.
    Avsrage white southerner is 15% groid.

    You’re full of shit.

    So what excuse do the Irish have for having lower IQs than southern whites who are apparently 15% Black?

  87. @RAZ
    Should the "average" 8th grader be at 100? Because there are a lot more states below 100 than above 100 iq, and it doesn't seem to be the case that the fewer states above 100 are states with the largest populations to bring the "average" 8th grader to 100?

    Is the way to read this that the "average" 8th grader is now at under 100 iq? Maybe it was 100 iq at some point in the past, but are 8th graders overall not as smart as they used to be?

    Something around 96 is probably closer to the truth.

  88. @dfordoom

    I guess it’s just coincidence those smart white boys are the one who get sent off to die in meaningless wars.
     
    If they volunteer to serve in the military they know that the only fighting they'll ever do will be in meaningless wars that have nothing to do with defending their own country. But they volunteer anyway. Maybe they're not so smart after all?

    Or maybe being smart and having an above average IQ are not quite the same thing?

    More charitably, we’re talking about good, decent, honorable young white men who to be proud of who they are and what they believe in, and they live in a society where–as good, decent, honorable young white men–one of the few ways they’re allowed to (implicitly) do it is in the military.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    More charitably, we’re talking about good, decent, honorable young white men who to be proud of who they are and what they believe in, and they live in a society where–as good, decent, honorable young white men–one of the few ways they’re allowed to (implicitly) do it is in the military.
     
    If you look at the history of the past hundred years it's filled with instances of good, decent, honourable young white men committing acts of mass slaughter and barbarism because they've been told that that's the good, decent, honourable thing to do.

    Good, decent, honourable young white men butchered other good, decent, honourable young white men on an industrial scale in the First World War. Good, decent, honourable young white men (from various countries) slaughtered women and children from the air in the Second World War. They dropped napalm on civilians in Vietnam.

    Joining the military is not a good, decent, honourable thing to do.
  89. @Audacious Epigone
    More charitably, we're talking about good, decent, honorable young white men who to be proud of who they are and what they believe in, and they live in a society where--as good, decent, honorable young white men--one of the few ways they're allowed to (implicitly) do it is in the military.

    More charitably, we’re talking about good, decent, honorable young white men who to be proud of who they are and what they believe in, and they live in a society where–as good, decent, honorable young white men–one of the few ways they’re allowed to (implicitly) do it is in the military.

    If you look at the history of the past hundred years it’s filled with instances of good, decent, honourable young white men committing acts of mass slaughter and barbarism because they’ve been told that that’s the good, decent, honourable thing to do.

    Good, decent, honourable young white men butchered other good, decent, honourable young white men on an industrial scale in the First World War. Good, decent, honourable young white men (from various countries) slaughtered women and children from the air in the Second World War. They dropped napalm on civilians in Vietnam.

    Joining the military is not a good, decent, honourable thing to do.

    • Disagree: iffen

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