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The following table and map show estimated mean Asian IQ by state from 2019 NAEP mathematics and reading results among Asian eighth grade public school students. Estimates are computed by averaging mathematics and reading scores and then converting those to IQ scores, assuming a national average IQ of 96 and a standard deviation of 15.

One drawback to these estimates is that they do not account for the 10% of the school-age population either being homeschooled or attending private school. Due to insufficient student sample sizes, data is unavailable for several states:

State IQ
1) New Jersey 112.5
2) Massachusetts 111.9
3) Connecticut 110.2
4) Illinois 109.3
5) Tennessee 109.3
6) Georgia 109.3
7) Maryland 109.2
8) North Carolina 108.7
9) Texas 108.3
10) Delaware 108.2
11) Virginia 107.5
12) Washington 107.3
13) Pennsylvania 107.2
14) Florida 106.9
15) California 106.4
16) Colorado 106.3
DoDEA 105.4
17) Oregon 105.0
18) New Hampshire 104.3
19) New York 103.9
20) Michigna 103.8
21) Nevada 101.7
22) Wisconsin 101.6
23) Nebraska 101.1
24) Kentucky 100.7
25) Minnesota 100.5
26) Hawaii 98.0
27) Alaska 94.2


What is the explanation for the relatively low scores of the two non-contiguous states? The NAEP breaks out results for “American Indian/Alaskan Native” and also for “Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander”, so these potential confounds are not included in the Asian figures.

 
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  1. Alaska and Hawaii are explained by Filipinos, I’d guess.

    • Agree: james wilson
    • Replies: @Clive Beaconsfield
    Hawaii has a lot of relatively downscale Japanese as well. They’re desecended from farm laborers and small-time tradesmen who’ve been there for generations, not recently-immigrated professionals.
    , @Triumph104
    In California, Filipino children test higher than whites in English and Math.

    https://caaspp-elpac.cde.ca.gov/caaspp/

    Most Asians in Hawaii have ancestors that worked in the fields on plantations so very little Tiger Mom culture. The entire state of Hawaii is one public school district controlled by the state legislature. About half of the legislature have their own children in private school, so those children aren't part of the NAEP results. 17 percent of Hawaiian school children attend private schools compared to 10 percent of Americans nationwide.
    , @Some Guy
    I also suspect a lot of the Asian migrant workers to Hawaii took native wives.

    Intersting that New Jersey's Asians are both the smartest and one of the most numerous, about 900k or 10% of New Jersey's population, expect to see a lot of succesful people from there.
    , @Anonymous
    Filipinos aren't as stupid as you may think. At least the ones I've interacted with are way smarter than the alt-right says.

    In Alaska and Hawaii it's the Pacific Islanders.

    Fijians, Solomon Islanders, Vanuatuans, Tahitians, Samoans, Micronesians, Tongans, Marshallese, Palauans, Tuvaluans, Nauruans, these people are basically useless to me. At least they don't live where I live.
  2. This sort of list tells us nothing, since ‘Asian’ is a grouping that contains extremely disparate groups.

    • Agree: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @songbird
    Collectively, racial checkboxes are all a commentary on diversity, each in their own way.

    "White" is about robbing Europeans of their identify (and more).
    "Black/African-American" is about handing things out.
    "Hispanic" is also about handing things out.
    "Asian" is mainly about having the convenience of one box, instead of the inconvenience of a diversity of boxes.
    , @Brexit Now!
    Isn't white/European also a grouping that contains extremely disparate groups? For example, Netherlands - 102, Serbia - 89, Romania - 87.

    I don't understand why there's this tendency to refer to whites as a monolithic group, but Asians as extremely diverse when in reality the distance is similar.

  3. Minnesota is towards the bottom because of the large Hmong population.

  4. @Thomm
    This sort of list tells us nothing, since 'Asian' is a grouping that contains extremely disparate groups.

    Collectively, racial checkboxes are all a commentary on diversity, each in their own way.

    “White” is about robbing Europeans of their identify (and more).
    “Black/African-American” is about handing things out.
    “Hispanic” is also about handing things out.
    “Asian” is mainly about having the convenience of one box, instead of the inconvenience of a diversity of boxes.

    • Replies: @SFG
    What about all the people who are 1/4 Polish, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 German, and 1/4 "Czech, Italian, and well, I think there's a Native American in there somewhere?"

    'White' built America up until about 1962 or so, and it was a damn good country from what I've seen.
    , @Svevlad
    Black/African American recently also functions as identity-robbing (trying to align recent African immigrants with the "native" blacks, despite the two not exactly getting along
    , @The Alarmist
    What about Italians? Things falling off a truck?
  5. @songbird
    Collectively, racial checkboxes are all a commentary on diversity, each in their own way.

    "White" is about robbing Europeans of their identify (and more).
    "Black/African-American" is about handing things out.
    "Hispanic" is also about handing things out.
    "Asian" is mainly about having the convenience of one box, instead of the inconvenience of a diversity of boxes.

    What about all the people who are 1/4 Polish, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 German, and 1/4 “Czech, Italian, and well, I think there’s a Native American in there somewhere?”

    ‘White’ built America up until about 1962 or so, and it was a damn good country from what I’ve seen.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, JimDandy
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Someone whose background is "1/4 Polish, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 German, and 1/4 “Czech, Italian, and Native American" is generally going to be descended from people who had nothing to do with building up America.
    , @songbird
    "White" was originally intended to rob people of their national identity, so that they could become part of a new identity, which was "American", meaning "European living in American."

    To be sure, "Americans" had a culture. The trouble is that culture has been systematically dismantled. You can find it in old books and old movies, but it has been violently removed from the public space. And for culture to have any function, it needs to be public. It can't just be in the home, though family traditions are important in their own way.

    Can anyone doubt white has become a tool for evil now, when British people are being called "white British?" For people of mixed European nationalities, I think "European" is an eminently better word, partly because of what is being done to Europe.

  6. @songbird
    Alaska and Hawaii are explained by Filipinos, I'd guess.

    Hawaii has a lot of relatively downscale Japanese as well. They’re desecended from farm laborers and small-time tradesmen who’ve been there for generations, not recently-immigrated professionals.

  7. NJ has a lot of obnoxiously ambitious East Indians, but w/o a doubt it has to be the Koreans behind the highest IQ ranking. Epicenter of the NJ high IQs are the Koreans of Bergen County (specifically, Fort Lee and Palisades Park).

  8. @SFG
    What about all the people who are 1/4 Polish, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 German, and 1/4 "Czech, Italian, and well, I think there's a Native American in there somewhere?"

    'White' built America up until about 1962 or so, and it was a damn good country from what I've seen.

    Someone whose background is “1/4 Polish, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 German, and 1/4 “Czech, Italian, and Native American” is generally going to be descended from people who had nothing to do with building up America.

  9. New Jersey has the highest percentage of Indians in the country.

  10. @songbird
    Collectively, racial checkboxes are all a commentary on diversity, each in their own way.

    "White" is about robbing Europeans of their identify (and more).
    "Black/African-American" is about handing things out.
    "Hispanic" is also about handing things out.
    "Asian" is mainly about having the convenience of one box, instead of the inconvenience of a diversity of boxes.

    Black/African American recently also functions as identity-robbing (trying to align recent African immigrants with the “native” blacks, despite the two not exactly getting along

  11. @songbird
    Collectively, racial checkboxes are all a commentary on diversity, each in their own way.

    "White" is about robbing Europeans of their identify (and more).
    "Black/African-American" is about handing things out.
    "Hispanic" is also about handing things out.
    "Asian" is mainly about having the convenience of one box, instead of the inconvenience of a diversity of boxes.

    What about Italians? Things falling off a truck?

  12. o/t

    BumbleJack

    I dunno, when we had more slut-shaming, we had a lot less single mothers.

  13. Do a lot of natives in Alaska and Hawaii identify as Asian or something, hence the low score?

  14. @Thomm
    This sort of list tells us nothing, since 'Asian' is a grouping that contains extremely disparate groups.

    Isn’t white/European also a grouping that contains extremely disparate groups? For example, Netherlands – 102, Serbia – 89, Romania – 87.

    I don’t understand why there’s this tendency to refer to whites as a monolithic group, but Asians as extremely diverse when in reality the distance is similar.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    Well, White Trashionalists DO in fact refer to all whites as a monolithic group, and go to great lengths to deny various historical facts, such as :

    i) Irish were not considered 'white' in 1900, and were even portrayed as a type of 'white African' in major newspapers (I had to school RUnzie Baby himself about that).
    ii) Italians, while considered white for voting purposes, where not considered 'white' socially until the 1960s. Many Italians were lynched by WASPs in the 1890-1910 period.
    iii) In WW1, the British saw even the French as a non-white race, saying 'Wogs Begin at Calais'.
    iv) In WW2, Germans described Poles as Untermenschen.
    v) During the Cold War, there was plenty of propaganda to portray Russians are more Mongol-like and thus foreign to an American audience.

    But in America, it is safe to say that whites are heavily interbred, while Asians, being mostly immigrants, have very disparate economic outcomes among different subgroups.

    , @Tired of Not Winning
    Whites are too mixed to be separated into Western, Eastern and Southern Europeans. OTOH most Asians are first or second gen and can still be easily separated into Northeast, Southeast, South, Central and West Asians.

    The author does not indicate how he translated the Math and Reading scores into IQ scores. What about IQ scores for whites, blacks and Hispanics? Relative scores make more sense.

  15. The Hawaii figures are low because the Asian immigrants who went to Hawaii after it was annexed by the U.S. were mainly laborers, not professionals. The Chinese, Japanese who went there were hired to work on plantations, so they were selected for how strong they were, not how smart they were.

    A friend of mine who’s native Hawaiian told me that Japanese tourists who visit Hawaii are constantly amazed at how “bumpkin” Hawaiians of Japanese descent are, and Hawaiian Japanese actually retain a number of rural traditions that have died out in Japan proper.

    Another factor in Hawaii is brain drain; there’s not much work there if you’re a smart, ambitious person, so people who work in high-IQ fields typically relocate to the mainland.

    • Replies: @Spike Gomes
    Pretty much this.
    I'm hapa with a Master's degree. I work as a security guard. There's very little opportunity here for those with brains. Out of the couple dozen people I hung out with in high school, only myself and one other still live here. Everyone else moved after graduation. Same with my many cousins. Only two stayed besides myself.
  16. @songbird
    Alaska and Hawaii are explained by Filipinos, I'd guess.

    In California, Filipino children test higher than whites in English and Math.

    https://caaspp-elpac.cde.ca.gov/caaspp/

    Most Asians in Hawaii have ancestors that worked in the fields on plantations so very little Tiger Mom culture. The entire state of Hawaii is one public school district controlled by the state legislature. About half of the legislature have their own children in private school, so those children aren’t part of the NAEP results. 17 percent of Hawaiian school children attend private schools compared to 10 percent of Americans nationwide.

    • Replies: @Tired of Not Winning
    On my last trip to HI I ran into heavily accented Filipinos everywhere, esp. in the service industry.

    @songbird


    I don’t really know any Filipinos, but, as far as I am concerned, at least in theory, they are a model minority (moreso than NE Asians) because they supposedly vote majority Republican. Not that Republicans are really desirable, but I appreciate the fact that they don’t vote D in a giant monolithic block.
     
    If that were true HI wouldn't be so solidly blue.
  17. @SFG
    What about all the people who are 1/4 Polish, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 German, and 1/4 "Czech, Italian, and well, I think there's a Native American in there somewhere?"

    'White' built America up until about 1962 or so, and it was a damn good country from what I've seen.

    “White” was originally intended to rob people of their national identity, so that they could become part of a new identity, which was “American”, meaning “European living in American.”

    To be sure, “Americans” had a culture. The trouble is that culture has been systematically dismantled. You can find it in old books and old movies, but it has been violently removed from the public space. And for culture to have any function, it needs to be public. It can’t just be in the home, though family traditions are important in their own way.

    Can anyone doubt white has become a tool for evil now, when British people are being called “white British?” For people of mixed European nationalities, I think “European” is an eminently better word, partly because of what is being done to Europe.

  18. @songbird
    Alaska and Hawaii are explained by Filipinos, I'd guess.

    I also suspect a lot of the Asian migrant workers to Hawaii took native wives.

    Intersting that New Jersey’s Asians are both the smartest and one of the most numerous, about 900k or 10% of New Jersey’s population, expect to see a lot of succesful people from there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Keep in mind, an insane number of the "Asian" kids in New Jersey are really half Ashkenazi.
    , @RSDB
    I guess we finally figured out who needs a house out in Hackensack.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJoZe5vkxws

    (Sorry.)
  19. @Some Guy
    I also suspect a lot of the Asian migrant workers to Hawaii took native wives.

    Intersting that New Jersey's Asians are both the smartest and one of the most numerous, about 900k or 10% of New Jersey's population, expect to see a lot of succesful people from there.

    Keep in mind, an insane number of the “Asian” kids in New Jersey are really half Ashkenazi.

  20. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird
    Alaska and Hawaii are explained by Filipinos, I'd guess.

    Filipinos aren’t as stupid as you may think. At least the ones I’ve interacted with are way smarter than the alt-right says.

    In Alaska and Hawaii it’s the Pacific Islanders.

    Fijians, Solomon Islanders, Vanuatuans, Tahitians, Samoans, Micronesians, Tongans, Marshallese, Palauans, Tuvaluans, Nauruans, these people are basically useless to me. At least they don’t live where I live.

    • Replies: @songbird

    Filipinos aren’t as stupid as you may think.
     
    Honestly, I don't really know any Filipinos, but, as far as I am concerned, at least in theory, they are a model minority (moreso than NE Asians) because they supposedly vote majority Republican. Not that Republicans are really desirable, but I appreciate the fact that they don't vote D in a giant monolithic block.

    Is that a permanent trend? I doubt it, probably the younger ones are different. Like younger Cubans, and younger Vietnamese.
  21. @Some Guy
    I also suspect a lot of the Asian migrant workers to Hawaii took native wives.

    Intersting that New Jersey's Asians are both the smartest and one of the most numerous, about 900k or 10% of New Jersey's population, expect to see a lot of succesful people from there.

    I guess we finally figured out who needs a house out in Hackensack.

    [MORE]

    (Sorry.)

  22. I live in a community with a major universitiy with a major research hospital attached. My neighborhood is majority Chinese immigrant (maybe 60-75%). They are all doctors, biostatisticians and other higher IQ professions. They are wonderful neighbors, but I don’t have much in common with them. I believe the 108.7 IQ statistic. My neighborhood is probably higher.

    My township also has a significant black population, but I don’t live near them. So the public schools are disasters, struggling with “The Gap”. There is no solution until all the whites and Asians pull their kids out of the public schools.

  23. Since Asians are all the same, these graphs are really helpful. 🙂

    • Replies: @John Arthur
    In America, the non East Asian Asians do better in income and wealth. However, they are not as overrepresented on the Nationwide Merit Semifinalists, but this is due to the overperformance of the Chinese, and not the Japanese or Koreans.
  24. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Since Asians are all the same, these graphs are really helpful. :)

    In America, the non East Asian Asians do better in income and wealth. However, they are not as overrepresented on the Nationwide Merit Semifinalists, but this is due to the overperformance of the Chinese, and not the Japanese or Koreans.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    In English-speaking countries such as the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand, such cold call scams have occurred as early as 2008 and primarily originate from call centers in India.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    National spelling bees, on the other hand...
  25. @John Arthur
    In America, the non East Asian Asians do better in income and wealth. However, they are not as overrepresented on the Nationwide Merit Semifinalists, but this is due to the overperformance of the Chinese, and not the Japanese or Koreans.

    In English-speaking countries such as the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand, such cold call scams have occurred as early as 2008 and primarily originate from call centers in India.

  26. Audacious, great post!

    I do have some questions though. I have always thought that while these tests are good indicators of IQ, I feel like it is a more environmentally weighted than other potential indicators of IQ.

    Are there any really good indicators of IQ, that are able to fully account for environmental differences in upbringing(like school quality, neighborhood quality, etc). Steve Sailer has often talked about the worst thing about being poor in America is having to live with other poor people, and living in a ghetto, irrespective of your own IQ, must hurt.

    For instance according to your White IQ by State results, Whites in Georgia had an IQ of 100.2 And Hispanics in Georgia by your Hispanic IQ by State results have an IQ of 93.6.

    That is a pretty substantial gap of 6.6 IQ points, no joke.

    However, as Ron Unz calculated in his Hispanic Crime article, Hispanics have *less than half* of the per-capita ethnic incarceration rate of Whites. If we don’t doubt the White numbers, is it really true that Hispanics have an IQ of 93.6? It seems to me it is likely to be substantially higher than that, perhaps even higher than Whites.
    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    After all, isn’t crime a real world, mass scale Marshmellow Test? It should be a very good predictor of an ethnic group’s IQ.

    Now, these tests do measure aptitude to a remarkable degree, so we know which groups are going to be more successful in the workforce and the likely degree of differences, but it this a good measure of IQ?

    • Agree: Sam Coulton
    • Replies: @Some Guy
    First of all, crime differs between races and ethnic groups even after controlling for IQ, so it's not a good IQ measure. AFAIK the marshmallow test is not a good measure of IQ either.

    Secondly:

    "Let's put aside police statistics and victim surveys because both depend on someone reporting the crime, and immigrants are notorious for failing to report crimes out of fear of authorities. And arrest data also depend on law enforcement policies.

    Criminologists understand that homicide is a good measure of serious violent crime because corpses advertise crimes loudly.

    Homicide Rate
    Black 23.0
    American Indian 9.7
    Hispanic 5.3
    White 2.8
    Asian 1.7"

    - https://inductivist.blogspot.com/2019/04/data-im-skeptical-that-hispanic-crime.html

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Could be, though results on actual IQ tests show that whites score higher than Hispanics by around 0.5 standard deviations--a difference that is remarkably similar to what shows up in the NAEP.

    Re: the marshmallow test, intelligence is part of the equation but there's no way it is the most important part--the vast differences in criminality by sex reveal that.
  27. “Estimates are computed by averaging mathematics and reading scores and then converting those to IQ scores”

    How about first proving (in the mathematical sense of the word) that they have anything to do with IQ, beyond the obvious threshold of sheer disability, then defining exactly where you place the 100?

  28. Good for them. I hope they return to Asia and make Asia a great place to live.

  29. @Brexit Now!
    Isn't white/European also a grouping that contains extremely disparate groups? For example, Netherlands - 102, Serbia - 89, Romania - 87.

    I don't understand why there's this tendency to refer to whites as a monolithic group, but Asians as extremely diverse when in reality the distance is similar.

    Well, White Trashionalists DO in fact refer to all whites as a monolithic group, and go to great lengths to deny various historical facts, such as :

    i) Irish were not considered ‘white’ in 1900, and were even portrayed as a type of ‘white African’ in major newspapers (I had to school RUnzie Baby himself about that).
    ii) Italians, while considered white for voting purposes, where not considered ‘white’ socially until the 1960s. Many Italians were lynched by WASPs in the 1890-1910 period.
    iii) In WW1, the British saw even the French as a non-white race, saying ‘Wogs Begin at Calais’.
    iv) In WW2, Germans described Poles as Untermenschen.
    v) During the Cold War, there was plenty of propaganda to portray Russians are more Mongol-like and thus foreign to an American audience.

    But in America, it is safe to say that whites are heavily interbred, while Asians, being mostly immigrants, have very disparate economic outcomes among different subgroups.

  30. New Jersey is at the top of the list, but New Jersey is where those Asian high school students beat up a black girl at a football game a few weeks ago, so this can only mean that high IQ spells privilege and oppression.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Unassailable logic!
  31. @Anonymous
    Filipinos aren't as stupid as you may think. At least the ones I've interacted with are way smarter than the alt-right says.

    In Alaska and Hawaii it's the Pacific Islanders.

    Fijians, Solomon Islanders, Vanuatuans, Tahitians, Samoans, Micronesians, Tongans, Marshallese, Palauans, Tuvaluans, Nauruans, these people are basically useless to me. At least they don't live where I live.

    Filipinos aren’t as stupid as you may think.

    Honestly, I don’t really know any Filipinos, but, as far as I am concerned, at least in theory, they are a model minority (moreso than NE Asians) because they supposedly vote majority Republican. Not that Republicans are really desirable, but I appreciate the fact that they don’t vote D in a giant monolithic block.

    Is that a permanent trend? I doubt it, probably the younger ones are different. Like younger Cubans, and younger Vietnamese.

    • Replies: @216
    Historically, Filipinos were staunch Catholics and grateful for the US liberation of the Philippines in WW2.

    In the present day, there are now indigenous Protestant groups in the Philippines, the President is a secular leftist while also being a nationalist. In contrast to the historic anti-Communist and anti-Japanese diaspora; I don't sense that most Filipinos in the Philippines are rather pro-US. The education system likely emphasizes the atrocities committed by the US from 1899-1902.

    The "model minority" concept is reviled within leftist academia, and none of our people should use it. This is a double edged sword, as Asians tend to be unsympathetic to working class whites for not working hard enough. The trope originated as a way of shaming blacks, Hispanics and poor whites; and now backfires on us electorally.

    Whites, and particularly white conservatives are the actual model minority. Indeed, advocates of a white identity politics should be particulary ashamed that Asians are outperforming whites on many social indicators.

  32. @songbird

    Filipinos aren’t as stupid as you may think.
     
    Honestly, I don't really know any Filipinos, but, as far as I am concerned, at least in theory, they are a model minority (moreso than NE Asians) because they supposedly vote majority Republican. Not that Republicans are really desirable, but I appreciate the fact that they don't vote D in a giant monolithic block.

    Is that a permanent trend? I doubt it, probably the younger ones are different. Like younger Cubans, and younger Vietnamese.

    Historically, Filipinos were staunch Catholics and grateful for the US liberation of the Philippines in WW2.

    In the present day, there are now indigenous Protestant groups in the Philippines, the President is a secular leftist while also being a nationalist. In contrast to the historic anti-Communist and anti-Japanese diaspora; I don’t sense that most Filipinos in the Philippines are rather pro-US. The education system likely emphasizes the atrocities committed by the US from 1899-1902.

    The “model minority” concept is reviled within leftist academia, and none of our people should use it. This is a double edged sword, as Asians tend to be unsympathetic to working class whites for not working hard enough. The trope originated as a way of shaming blacks, Hispanics and poor whites; and now backfires on us electorally.

    Whites, and particularly white conservatives are the actual model minority. Indeed, advocates of a white identity politics should be particulary ashamed that Asians are outperforming whites on many social indicators.

    • Agree: Herbert West
    • Replies: @American Expat in the Philippines
    "the President is a secular leftist" is total bull shit. Anyone making such a statement in good faith proves himself totally ignorant of Philippine politics and the nature of the country's leadership. Being an actual leftest in the Philippine will get you dead.
  33. o/t

    Low IQ

    https://twitter.com/PoliticalKathy/status/1200264393310842881

    She’s so bad at the subversion game.

    Use of “problematic” is an SJW giveaway. They are the only people to use that word.

    Anyone with a grasp of the audience could tell you that you subvert cons with appeals to patriotism, entrepreneurship and military service.

    Her intelligence goes no farther than “I’m hot” and “you’re thirsty”.

  34. @John Arthur
    Audacious, great post!

    I do have some questions though. I have always thought that while these tests are good indicators of IQ, I feel like it is a more environmentally weighted than other potential indicators of IQ.

    Are there any really good indicators of IQ, that are able to fully account for environmental differences in upbringing(like school quality, neighborhood quality, etc). Steve Sailer has often talked about the worst thing about being poor in America is having to live with other poor people, and living in a ghetto, irrespective of your own IQ, must hurt.

    For instance according to your White IQ by State results, Whites in Georgia had an IQ of 100.2 And Hispanics in Georgia by your Hispanic IQ by State results have an IQ of 93.6.

    That is a pretty substantial gap of 6.6 IQ points, no joke.

    However, as Ron Unz calculated in his Hispanic Crime article, Hispanics have *less than half* of the per-capita ethnic incarceration rate of Whites. If we don't doubt the White numbers, is it really true that Hispanics have an IQ of 93.6? It seems to me it is likely to be substantially higher than that, perhaps even higher than Whites.
    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    After all, isn't crime a real world, mass scale Marshmellow Test? It should be a very good predictor of an ethnic group's IQ.


    Now, these tests do measure aptitude to a remarkable degree, so we know which groups are going to be more successful in the workforce and the likely degree of differences, but it this a good measure of IQ?

    First of all, crime differs between races and ethnic groups even after controlling for IQ, so it’s not a good IQ measure. AFAIK the marshmallow test is not a good measure of IQ either.

    Secondly:

    “Let’s put aside police statistics and victim surveys because both depend on someone reporting the crime, and immigrants are notorious for failing to report crimes out of fear of authorities. And arrest data also depend on law enforcement policies.

    Criminologists understand that homicide is a good measure of serious violent crime because corpses advertise crimes loudly.

    Homicide Rate
    Black 23.0
    American Indian 9.7
    Hispanic 5.3
    White 2.8
    Asian 1.7”

    https://inductivist.blogspot.com/2019/04/data-im-skeptical-that-hispanic-crime.html

    • Replies: @Thomm
    Ron Unz has proven at great length that the Hispanic crime rate is barely higher than for whites.

    The reason it seems higher is because the Hispanic community is younger than the white community. Adjusting for age, the difference vanishes, as per Ron Unz.
    , @John Arthur
    Good points:

    However, I think the notion of crime is a good indicator. It cannot tell you precise estimates for IQ, but it can give you a useful reality check.

    In East Asia, as well as East Asians in the West, their crime rate tends to be somewhat lower than Whites. This of course is due to the relative homogenity of their countries, ie, less Black folk to stir the pot for violence, but a part of this is due to the measured 5 point IQ gap between the two groups, which explains the gap in the West.

    No one would deny that the 5pt gap between East Asians and Whites have a real world noticible differences, so it would be bizzare if the East Asians, with a higher IQ, also had a higher crime rate. Perhaps some other genetic explanation, or environmental explanation would suffice, but that kind of result would throw the credibility of IQ into serious doubt.

    So the gap between MesoAmerican Hispanics and Whites in Georgia is around 6.6 points, and in Texas it is even larger. Yet the crime rates of MesoAmerican Hispanics in Texas and in Georgia, the incarceration rate is even lower than that of Whites. How likely is it that Hispanics are more than 6.6pts lower on the IQ scale than Whites in those strongly conservative states, yet they have less than half the ethnic incarceration rate.

    There are either two main explanations for this: Either the IQ of MesoAmerican Hispanics in Texas and Georgia is higher than Advertised, or the measure of IQ suffers from some credibility issues.
  35. ‘…as extrapolated from 8th grade mathematics and reading NAEP scores…’

    I think it’s time you realized this doesn’t exactly increase the relevance of the data. The scores aren’t even attempts to measure intelligence to begin with.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Most cognitive tests aren't, but virtually all cognitive tests correlate to IQ nonetheless.
  36. To determine the contribution of the NAEP AsianAmerican scores for the various AsianAmerican subgroups using the ethnic beta’s which is contributing NAEP scores per capita of the ethnic group among the AsianAmericans. Thus the contribution from the ethnic group is higher if the cognitive level is higher or the demographic fraction is higher. The student demographics are assumed to be proportional to Asian demographics for each states. No all states have the Asian NAEP scores.

    lm(formula = NaepAsi ~ Chinese + Japanese + Korean + Vietnamese + Indian + Filipino + Hmong + Cambodian + Pakistani)

    To get the parsimonious results, the effect of any ethnic group is dropped if the beta is not statistically significant and does not contribute to information content of the result.

    === For average NAEP Asian American scores

    Coefficients:
    Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
    (Intercept) 244.4438 10.8587 22.511 3.48e-16 ***
    Korean 1.1066 0.4424 2.501 0.02072 *
    Indian 0.9688 0.1759 5.508 1.82e-05 ***
    Vietnamese 0.8308 0.2645 3.140 0.00494 **
    Chinese 0.6642 0.2057 3.228 0.00403 **
    Filipino 0.4190 0.1494 2.804 0.01063 *
    Japanese 0.3574 0.2412 1.481 0.15334
    Cambodian 1.3459 0.8961 1.502 0.14803

    Signif. codes: 0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1

    Residual standard error: 6.229 on 21 degrees of freedom
    Multiple R-squared: 0.7593, Adjusted R-squared: 0.679
    F-statistic: 9.462 on 7 and 21 DF, p-value: 2.719e-05

    Highest contribution is from the Korean, follows buy Indian. The Chinese are weighted down by the high legacy ChineseAmerican who are descendents of the railway workers, gold miners and laborers, for example even when the Silican Valley is in CA but CA NAEP score for AsianAmerican is mediocre as CA is home to the many legacy ChineseAmerican. Other ethnic groups like Korean and Indian are from more recent professional immigrants. Significant number of the Filipino are descendants of the laborers that follow the Spanish to the Americas and were not specially selected immigrants. The Cambodian beta seems a bit too high but it is not statistically significant but it was included as it increases the info content of the results. The poor performance of the Japanese is a shock. It could be that significant number of the Japanese are descendants of the Japanese labourers in US prior to WW2. The internment of the Japanese during WW2 might have deterred many elite Japanese migrating to US after WW2.

    === For 90th percentile NAEP Asian American scores (smart fraction)

    Coefficients:
    Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
    (Intercept) 211.4987 34.9595 6.050 8.08e-06 ***
    Cambodian 2.4253 1.1323 2.142 0.045369 *
    Korean 2.3114 0.6833 3.383 0.003125 **
    Indian 1.8924 0.4194 4.512 0.000238 ***
    Chinese 1.8183 0.4686 3.880 0.001008 **
    Vietnamese 1.7957 0.6097 2.945 0.008309 **
    Hmong 1.3015 0.4258 3.057 0.006488 **
    Filipino 1.1354 0.3705 3.065 0.006379 **
    Japanese 0.9207 0.4766 1.932 0.068445 .

    Signif. codes: 0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1

    Residual standard error: 7.862 on 19 degrees of freedom
    Multiple R-squared: 0.7989, Adjusted R-squared: 0.7142
    F-statistic: 9.435 on 8 and 19 DF, p-value: 3.327e-05

    At the 90th percentile NAEP score level the ChineseAmerican is still not quite able to shake of the anchor of the legacy ChineseAmerican and they come close to the performance of the Indian who are mostly the descendants of the professional immigrants. The ChineseAmerican might have to go to the level of 95th percnetile to exceed the perfomance of the Indian, as shown in the results of the national merit scholars or the composition of the International Maths Olympiad teams. The performance of the Korean could have peak at 90th percentile level as they do not seem to excel mutch at the NMS or the IMO. The Hmong seems to be better than the Filipino at this level. The beta for the Cambodian cannot be explain except that they are from small sample size. Does the expulsion of many criminal Cambodians back to Cambodia make any effects??

  37. I see an odd trend here for New Jersey.

    Asian: #1
    White: #2
    Black: #2

    When you think of the most intelligent people in the country, does New Jersey rank at the very top?
    How about when you think of the most corrupt politicians in the country? My guess is that New Jersey schools are gaming the test.

    Also, would it be possible to calculate median scores for these states/races, in addition to mean scores? And does “Asian” include south Asians, or only east Asians?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    1) No, Massachusetts tends to be the first state that comes to my mind.
    2) Absolutely not. Robert Menendez!
    3) Yes, but to be completely candid I'm not up for doing it now. This is a pretty tedious process and I've just about finished the series of posts I intend to do for the time being.
    4) South, Southeast, and East Asians are all included.
  38. @Matt Forney
    The Hawaii figures are low because the Asian immigrants who went to Hawaii after it was annexed by the U.S. were mainly laborers, not professionals. The Chinese, Japanese who went there were hired to work on plantations, so they were selected for how strong they were, not how smart they were.

    A friend of mine who's native Hawaiian told me that Japanese tourists who visit Hawaii are constantly amazed at how "bumpkin" Hawaiians of Japanese descent are, and Hawaiian Japanese actually retain a number of rural traditions that have died out in Japan proper.

    Another factor in Hawaii is brain drain; there's not much work there if you're a smart, ambitious person, so people who work in high-IQ fields typically relocate to the mainland.

    Pretty much this.
    I’m hapa with a Master’s degree. I work as a security guard. There’s very little opportunity here for those with brains. Out of the couple dozen people I hung out with in high school, only myself and one other still live here. Everyone else moved after graduation. Same with my many cousins. Only two stayed besides myself.

  39. @Some Guy
    First of all, crime differs between races and ethnic groups even after controlling for IQ, so it's not a good IQ measure. AFAIK the marshmallow test is not a good measure of IQ either.

    Secondly:

    "Let's put aside police statistics and victim surveys because both depend on someone reporting the crime, and immigrants are notorious for failing to report crimes out of fear of authorities. And arrest data also depend on law enforcement policies.

    Criminologists understand that homicide is a good measure of serious violent crime because corpses advertise crimes loudly.

    Homicide Rate
    Black 23.0
    American Indian 9.7
    Hispanic 5.3
    White 2.8
    Asian 1.7"

    - https://inductivist.blogspot.com/2019/04/data-im-skeptical-that-hispanic-crime.html

    Ron Unz has proven at great length that the Hispanic crime rate is barely higher than for whites.

    The reason it seems higher is because the Hispanic community is younger than the white community. Adjusting for age, the difference vanishes, as per Ron Unz.

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    Ok, did he consider that first generation immigrants generally have lower crime rates than subsequent generations? An apples to apples comparison would be Hispanics raised in the US to whites rates in the US, or Hispanic immigrants to white immigrants.
  40. Statistics are interesting. But several questions remain: Which ethnic groups were slaves for several
    hundred years? Which ethnic groups experienced post slavery conditions after slavery ended?
    Did slavery have a positive effect on Chinese, “whites”, or any group?

  41. Are there any intelligent groups around who experienced slavery?
    When were “whites” last in slavery by Chinese

    • Replies: @Thomm

    Are there any intelligent groups around who experienced slavery?
     
    White were enslaved by Barbary Pirates, and this went on until the early 19th century.
    , @Anon
    E. European and Atlantic Coast English French Spanish and Irish, plus Italians Spanish and French along the Mediterranean were enslaved by Muslims from about 700 AD. to about 1830AD when France conquered Algeria and ended the W European slave raids.

    1400 1500s the Turks raided even Iceland and Greenland. In fact, the Norwegian settlement in Greenland was wiped out when Turkish slavery raiders abducted the entire colony. According to what the native Eskimos told the Norwegian sailors who arrived after the big raid. The Turks captured some eskimos too.

    Eastern Europeans from Finland to Crimea were enslaved by Persians, from ancient times. Starting 700 AD tartars and other muslin tribes captured millions of E European Greek and Balkan slaves for sale to the Muslims south of the Black Sea. This went on till the 19th century.

    The Turkish Sultans weren’t Turks. For various reasons about 1200 AD the Sultans decided it would be best to never marry or have girl friends or women slaves who were Turkish.

    From then on they only had sex relations and children with Slavic Greek Balkan and other slave women who were captured in E Europe by tartars or W Europe by sea borne slave ships.

    So European mothers generation after generation the Sultans DNA became less and less Turkish, more European. Their daughters married, married not slavery Turks

    Their sons usually weren’t allowed to marry except for which ever one’s European slave mother managed to make him Sultan on his father’s death.

    European slave men made up the administration of the Turkish government and much of the army.

    The Turkish method was capture millions of 5-1o year old European children. The children were brainwashed into Islam of course. They were trained, observed and tested. The girls went off to the harems or sold as workers and to brothels. The boys were tested for different talents and skills and trained for all sorts of jobs.

    An Albanian slave became king of Egypt An Italian Prime Minister Many of these European slaves ruled Iraq, Syria Algeria, Tunisia and the numerous Turkish territories in the Balkans and Eastern Europe.

    The Turks had black slaves too. But the men were all castrated and when the black women became pregnant either abortions or infanticide at birth ensured no mixed race population. Infanticide is strictly against Muslim law. But the Turks didn’t observe that law when it came to black mothers

    Then there’s the Romans whose Empire depended on European and MENA slaves.

    The judges and lawyers were free Romans. But everybody else who worked in the courts were slaves. Rome had an excellent Fire Department, a private, not government business. Only the owner of the Fire Department was not a slave.

    Then there’s the 250K Irish enslaved by Oliver Cromwell and the English in the mid 17th century and sold in the Caribbean and the English colonies in N America. Plus Scots rebels after the numerous uprisings.

    The early renaissance and early modern Algerian raids in S France were so bad the coast was depopulated at times. The Turks and Algerians even sailed north on the rivers and raided into central France.

    That’s a brief summary of White slavery
  42. assuming a national average IQ of 96

    🙁

  43. @Thomm
    Ron Unz has proven at great length that the Hispanic crime rate is barely higher than for whites.

    The reason it seems higher is because the Hispanic community is younger than the white community. Adjusting for age, the difference vanishes, as per Ron Unz.

    Ok, did he consider that first generation immigrants generally have lower crime rates than subsequent generations? An apples to apples comparison would be Hispanics raised in the US to whites rates in the US, or Hispanic immigrants to white immigrants.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    First gen Hispanic immigrants are some of the most gentle people I have ever met. They are generally shy, docile and respectful. I could see how they bring the overall Hispanic crime rate down.
  44. @216
    Historically, Filipinos were staunch Catholics and grateful for the US liberation of the Philippines in WW2.

    In the present day, there are now indigenous Protestant groups in the Philippines, the President is a secular leftist while also being a nationalist. In contrast to the historic anti-Communist and anti-Japanese diaspora; I don't sense that most Filipinos in the Philippines are rather pro-US. The education system likely emphasizes the atrocities committed by the US from 1899-1902.

    The "model minority" concept is reviled within leftist academia, and none of our people should use it. This is a double edged sword, as Asians tend to be unsympathetic to working class whites for not working hard enough. The trope originated as a way of shaming blacks, Hispanics and poor whites; and now backfires on us electorally.

    Whites, and particularly white conservatives are the actual model minority. Indeed, advocates of a white identity politics should be particulary ashamed that Asians are outperforming whites on many social indicators.

    “the President is a secular leftist” is total bull shit. Anyone making such a statement in good faith proves himself totally ignorant of Philippine politics and the nature of the country’s leadership. Being an actual leftest in the Philippine will get you dead.

  45. @Some Guy
    First of all, crime differs between races and ethnic groups even after controlling for IQ, so it's not a good IQ measure. AFAIK the marshmallow test is not a good measure of IQ either.

    Secondly:

    "Let's put aside police statistics and victim surveys because both depend on someone reporting the crime, and immigrants are notorious for failing to report crimes out of fear of authorities. And arrest data also depend on law enforcement policies.

    Criminologists understand that homicide is a good measure of serious violent crime because corpses advertise crimes loudly.

    Homicide Rate
    Black 23.0
    American Indian 9.7
    Hispanic 5.3
    White 2.8
    Asian 1.7"

    - https://inductivist.blogspot.com/2019/04/data-im-skeptical-that-hispanic-crime.html

    Good points:

    However, I think the notion of crime is a good indicator. It cannot tell you precise estimates for IQ, but it can give you a useful reality check.

    In East Asia, as well as East Asians in the West, their crime rate tends to be somewhat lower than Whites. This of course is due to the relative homogenity of their countries, ie, less Black folk to stir the pot for violence, but a part of this is due to the measured 5 point IQ gap between the two groups, which explains the gap in the West.

    No one would deny that the 5pt gap between East Asians and Whites have a real world noticible differences, so it would be bizzare if the East Asians, with a higher IQ, also had a higher crime rate. Perhaps some other genetic explanation, or environmental explanation would suffice, but that kind of result would throw the credibility of IQ into serious doubt.

    So the gap between MesoAmerican Hispanics and Whites in Georgia is around 6.6 points, and in Texas it is even larger. Yet the crime rates of MesoAmerican Hispanics in Texas and in Georgia, the incarceration rate is even lower than that of Whites. How likely is it that Hispanics are more than 6.6pts lower on the IQ scale than Whites in those strongly conservative states, yet they have less than half the ethnic incarceration rate.

    There are either two main explanations for this: Either the IQ of MesoAmerican Hispanics in Texas and Georgia is higher than Advertised, or the measure of IQ suffers from some credibility issues.

  46. @Brexit Now!
    Isn't white/European also a grouping that contains extremely disparate groups? For example, Netherlands - 102, Serbia - 89, Romania - 87.

    I don't understand why there's this tendency to refer to whites as a monolithic group, but Asians as extremely diverse when in reality the distance is similar.

    Whites are too mixed to be separated into Western, Eastern and Southern Europeans. OTOH most Asians are first or second gen and can still be easily separated into Northeast, Southeast, South, Central and West Asians.

    The author does not indicate how he translated the Math and Reading scores into IQ scores. What about IQ scores for whites, blacks and Hispanics? Relative scores make more sense.

  47. @Triumph104
    In California, Filipino children test higher than whites in English and Math.

    https://caaspp-elpac.cde.ca.gov/caaspp/

    Most Asians in Hawaii have ancestors that worked in the fields on plantations so very little Tiger Mom culture. The entire state of Hawaii is one public school district controlled by the state legislature. About half of the legislature have their own children in private school, so those children aren't part of the NAEP results. 17 percent of Hawaiian school children attend private schools compared to 10 percent of Americans nationwide.

    On my last trip to HI I ran into heavily accented Filipinos everywhere, esp. in the service industry.

    I don’t really know any Filipinos, but, as far as I am concerned, at least in theory, they are a model minority (moreso than NE Asians) because they supposedly vote majority Republican. Not that Republicans are really desirable, but I appreciate the fact that they don’t vote D in a giant monolithic block.

    If that were true HI wouldn’t be so solidly blue.

    • Replies: @216
    Hawaii went 45% for GWB in 2004, and briefly elected a RINO to the House in 2010.

    It's probably the worst place for Affordable Family Formation.

    The black/brown present in the state typically have military ties, obviating much of the crime that affects inter-community relations in the rest of the country. Crime is a major GOP vote winner.

    As a perma-blue state, its reasonable to consider whether the state's GOP should just dissolve, which would precipitate DSA forming as a new party to the left of the Democrats.
  48. @Some Guy
    Ok, did he consider that first generation immigrants generally have lower crime rates than subsequent generations? An apples to apples comparison would be Hispanics raised in the US to whites rates in the US, or Hispanic immigrants to white immigrants.

    First gen Hispanic immigrants are some of the most gentle people I have ever met. They are generally shy, docile and respectful. I could see how they bring the overall Hispanic crime rate down.

  49. @American-Black
    Are there any intelligent groups around who experienced slavery?
    When were "whites" last in slavery by Chinese

    Are there any intelligent groups around who experienced slavery?

    White were enslaved by Barbary Pirates, and this went on until the early 19th century.

  50. @Tired of Not Winning
    On my last trip to HI I ran into heavily accented Filipinos everywhere, esp. in the service industry.

    @songbird


    I don’t really know any Filipinos, but, as far as I am concerned, at least in theory, they are a model minority (moreso than NE Asians) because they supposedly vote majority Republican. Not that Republicans are really desirable, but I appreciate the fact that they don’t vote D in a giant monolithic block.
     
    If that were true HI wouldn't be so solidly blue.

    Hawaii went 45% for GWB in 2004, and briefly elected a RINO to the House in 2010.

    It’s probably the worst place for Affordable Family Formation.

    The black/brown present in the state typically have military ties, obviating much of the crime that affects inter-community relations in the rest of the country. Crime is a major GOP vote winner.

    As a perma-blue state, its reasonable to consider whether the state’s GOP should just dissolve, which would precipitate DSA forming as a new party to the left of the Democrats.

  51. @John Arthur
    In America, the non East Asian Asians do better in income and wealth. However, they are not as overrepresented on the Nationwide Merit Semifinalists, but this is due to the overperformance of the Chinese, and not the Japanese or Koreans.

    National spelling bees, on the other hand…

  52. @John Arthur
    Audacious, great post!

    I do have some questions though. I have always thought that while these tests are good indicators of IQ, I feel like it is a more environmentally weighted than other potential indicators of IQ.

    Are there any really good indicators of IQ, that are able to fully account for environmental differences in upbringing(like school quality, neighborhood quality, etc). Steve Sailer has often talked about the worst thing about being poor in America is having to live with other poor people, and living in a ghetto, irrespective of your own IQ, must hurt.

    For instance according to your White IQ by State results, Whites in Georgia had an IQ of 100.2 And Hispanics in Georgia by your Hispanic IQ by State results have an IQ of 93.6.

    That is a pretty substantial gap of 6.6 IQ points, no joke.

    However, as Ron Unz calculated in his Hispanic Crime article, Hispanics have *less than half* of the per-capita ethnic incarceration rate of Whites. If we don't doubt the White numbers, is it really true that Hispanics have an IQ of 93.6? It seems to me it is likely to be substantially higher than that, perhaps even higher than Whites.
    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    After all, isn't crime a real world, mass scale Marshmellow Test? It should be a very good predictor of an ethnic group's IQ.


    Now, these tests do measure aptitude to a remarkable degree, so we know which groups are going to be more successful in the workforce and the likely degree of differences, but it this a good measure of IQ?

    Could be, though results on actual IQ tests show that whites score higher than Hispanics by around 0.5 standard deviations–a difference that is remarkably similar to what shows up in the NAEP.

    Re: the marshmallow test, intelligence is part of the equation but there’s no way it is the most important part–the vast differences in criminality by sex reveal that.

  53. @J1234
    New Jersey is at the top of the list, but New Jersey is where those Asian high school students beat up a black girl at a football game a few weeks ago, so this can only mean that high IQ spells privilege and oppression.

    Unassailable logic!

  54. @Colin Wright
    '...as extrapolated from 8th grade mathematics and reading NAEP scores...'

    I think it's time you realized this doesn't exactly increase the relevance of the data. The scores aren't even attempts to measure intelligence to begin with.

    Most cognitive tests aren’t, but virtually all cognitive tests correlate to IQ nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Most cognitive tests aren’t, but virtually all cognitive tests correlate to IQ nonetheless.'

    Perhaps -- but the correlation is less than perfect. The results cited in this and the preceding articles are correspondingly less significant.
  55. @Ted Bell
    I see an odd trend here for New Jersey.

    Asian: #1
    White: #2
    Black: #2

    When you think of the most intelligent people in the country, does New Jersey rank at the very top?
    How about when you think of the most corrupt politicians in the country? My guess is that New Jersey schools are gaming the test.

    Also, would it be possible to calculate median scores for these states/races, in addition to mean scores? And does "Asian" include south Asians, or only east Asians?

    1) No, Massachusetts tends to be the first state that comes to my mind.
    2) Absolutely not. Robert Menendez!
    3) Yes, but to be completely candid I’m not up for doing it now. This is a pretty tedious process and I’ve just about finished the series of posts I intend to do for the time being.
    4) South, Southeast, and East Asians are all included.

  56. @Audacious Epigone
    Most cognitive tests aren't, but virtually all cognitive tests correlate to IQ nonetheless.

    ‘Most cognitive tests aren’t, but virtually all cognitive tests correlate to IQ nonetheless.’

    Perhaps — but the correlation is less than perfect. The results cited in this and the preceding articles are correspondingly less significant.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    the correlation is less than perfect.
     
    On an individual level, it probably varies quite a bit.  But the correlation of the reading scores of large groups to group IQ is probably a great deal better.  This happens for the same reason as "the wisdom of crowds".
  57. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @American-Black
    Are there any intelligent groups around who experienced slavery?
    When were "whites" last in slavery by Chinese

    E. European and Atlantic Coast English French Spanish and Irish, plus Italians Spanish and French along the Mediterranean were enslaved by Muslims from about 700 AD. to about 1830AD when France conquered Algeria and ended the W European slave raids.

    1400 1500s the Turks raided even Iceland and Greenland. In fact, the Norwegian settlement in Greenland was wiped out when Turkish slavery raiders abducted the entire colony. According to what the native Eskimos told the Norwegian sailors who arrived after the big raid. The Turks captured some eskimos too.

    Eastern Europeans from Finland to Crimea were enslaved by Persians, from ancient times. Starting 700 AD tartars and other muslin tribes captured millions of E European Greek and Balkan slaves for sale to the Muslims south of the Black Sea. This went on till the 19th century.

    The Turkish Sultans weren’t Turks. For various reasons about 1200 AD the Sultans decided it would be best to never marry or have girl friends or women slaves who were Turkish.

    From then on they only had sex relations and children with Slavic Greek Balkan and other slave women who were captured in E Europe by tartars or W Europe by sea borne slave ships.

    So European mothers generation after generation the Sultans DNA became less and less Turkish, more European. Their daughters married, married not slavery Turks

    Their sons usually weren’t allowed to marry except for which ever one’s European slave mother managed to make him Sultan on his father’s death.

    European slave men made up the administration of the Turkish government and much of the army.

    The Turkish method was capture millions of 5-1o year old European children. The children were brainwashed into Islam of course. They were trained, observed and tested. The girls went off to the harems or sold as workers and to brothels. The boys were tested for different talents and skills and trained for all sorts of jobs.

    An Albanian slave became king of Egypt An Italian Prime Minister Many of these European slaves ruled Iraq, Syria Algeria, Tunisia and the numerous Turkish territories in the Balkans and Eastern Europe.

    The Turks had black slaves too. But the men were all castrated and when the black women became pregnant either abortions or infanticide at birth ensured no mixed race population. Infanticide is strictly against Muslim law. But the Turks didn’t observe that law when it came to black mothers

    Then there’s the Romans whose Empire depended on European and MENA slaves.

    The judges and lawyers were free Romans. But everybody else who worked in the courts were slaves. Rome had an excellent Fire Department, a private, not government business. Only the owner of the Fire Department was not a slave.

    Then there’s the 250K Irish enslaved by Oliver Cromwell and the English in the mid 17th century and sold in the Caribbean and the English colonies in N America. Plus Scots rebels after the numerous uprisings.

    The early renaissance and early modern Algerian raids in S France were so bad the coast was depopulated at times. The Turks and Algerians even sailed north on the rivers and raided into central France.

    That’s a brief summary of White slavery

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  58. @Colin Wright
    'Most cognitive tests aren’t, but virtually all cognitive tests correlate to IQ nonetheless.'

    Perhaps -- but the correlation is less than perfect. The results cited in this and the preceding articles are correspondingly less significant.

    the correlation is less than perfect.

    On an individual level, it probably varies quite a bit.  But the correlation of the reading scores of large groups to group IQ is probably a great deal better.  This happens for the same reason as “the wisdom of crowds”.

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