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Quintessentially English, I desire the shire. Call me audacious, but I know I’d toss the ring into Mt. Doom.

I’d never make it to the summit today, though. Middle Earth is no longer safe for hobbits. We did more than merely allow things to get this way–we celebrated it. In the 21st century’s telling, the hobbits are made short work of long before it’s possible to make out the edge of Mordor on the horizon.

Boromir is our only hope.

One thing I’ve never enjoyed about the Gospels–how’s that for audacious?!–is how Jesus often explains the obvious meaning of the parables he tells. But as this is neither much of a parable nor clear in its implication, allow me to explain that I conceive of the ring as political power, Sauron’s forces as those of homogenized globalism, the hobbits as libertarians, and Boromir as a Gondor First conservative.

 
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  1. Boromor died in the first part of LotR, so maybe not a felicitious comparison.
    Anyway, what’s the point of this cryptic comment in political terms? Making the case for fascism?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    If he'd been equipped with the ring at the time, he wouldn't have died.

    No, not fascism. Muscular nationalism. That the US is an imperial collection of disparate nations rather than a single nation is a digression in this context.
  2. Agree. Give Gondor the Weapon of the enemy!

    Since we’re speaking of Mr. Tolkien (pbuh), has anyone in the dissident right ever remarked on Gandalf’s ruse at Beorn’s place in Chapter 7 of The Hobbit? It seems very relevant to our current demographic predicament.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @CMC
    Why don’t you explain it to us?
  3. If Tolkien were writing today, 40% of Hobbits would have little Afros on their tiny little toes and feet.

  4. Quintessentially English

    Good, I’ve been wanting to ask an educated Anglishman a question. I see a lot of weeping and wailing about too many immigrants from the Commonwealth coming into the UK, but having read a little bit of history, I don’t seem to remember anything about the alien race that took political control of the UK and forced them to create an empire and a commonwealth?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Normans, duh!
  5. There’s a race of aliens that manipulated the UK to start letting the Commonwealth/Empire peoples into the island.
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/07/12/jews-the-ss-empire-windrush-and-the-origins-of-multicultural-britain/

    Same race of aliens that are now manipulating Ireland to do the same.
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/08/30/become-other-than-white-ireland-and-radical-jewish-activism/

    • Replies: @iffen
    There’s a race of aliens

    They are not aliens, they are white and they will tell you so. You don't even have to ask.

    "And I’m white as well," the 78-year-old Sanders interjected before Alberta could finish.
     
  6. Tolkien is purposely antiquated, though. He was into Nordic myth, and wanted to make his own for kicks.

  7. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:

    Tolkein’s work is not quintessentially English really. He lamented the fact that the English don’t really have much in the way of mythology and legend so wanted to create it in the Nordic style.

    Perhaps LOTR is an insight into what traditional English culture might have been like if the Norman conquest had never happened?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Tolkien dressed Gandalf as Odin but made him a wizard of the Istari order. Tolkien's wizards were stand-ins for Celtic Druids. And Druids were descendants of the Magi who came out of the ancient Near East to spread the Babylonian virus throughout Europe. Pass the bong.
  8. @Rosie
    Agree. Give Gondor the Weapon of the enemy!

    Since we're speaking of Mr. Tolkien (pbuh), has anyone in the dissident right ever remarked on Gandalf's ruse at Beorn's place in Chapter 7 of The Hobbit? It seems very relevant to our current demographic predicament.

    Why don’t you explain it to us?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Spoiler Alert.

    Bilbo and company need lodgings and refreshments. Gandalf tells the dwarves to appear at the door in pairs, so Beorn keeps thinking that it's just a couple more dwarves. (And what difference will that make?) Meanwhile, Gandalf distracts Beorn with a good story so he doesn't want to send them away. The next thing you know, Beorn's house is overrun.

    https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/hobbit/section4/

  9. Tolkien didn’t so much “make his own” as rip the skin off Nordic myth and drape it over Christianity.

    He did it well, but the more one reads the more one realizes how much he DIDN’T invent.

    In the Voluspa, for example, there’s a section listing out names of various heroes. Those names will be totally familiar, since Tolkien stole the name list outright, word for word, no spelling changes, and stuck them on his 13 dwarves headed to the Lonely Mountain. “Earendel” is a name from a pre-Christian British myth. Etc.

    The most interesting thing to me about Tolkien’s mythology as compared to modern interpretations of fantasy – dwarves (even with that Tolkienesque spelling), in modern fantasy, are ALWAYS Scots. They’re penny-pinching hard-drinking hard-fighting mechanically-apt assholes organized around clans. Whereas Tolkien explicitly stated at one point that he intended his dwarves to be allegorical parallels of the Jews.

    The difference, of course, is that even when they’re being assholes, people LIKE Scots.

    But yeah, Boromir.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Everything is a remix. He synthesized Christian morality and Nordic myth and made a hybrid that inspired an entire genre. Perhaps not the most elevated genre, but it's more than most writers can claim.

    All those Nordic skalds were weaving together bits and pieces of stories they heard before to please their audience (and get their dinner) too.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Ha, more so even than hobbits, dwarves are Middle Earth's deplorables.
    , @Felix Krull
    In the Voluspa, for example, there’s a section listing out names of various heroes.

    It's not a list of heroes, it's the "Dwarf Catalogue", and he didn't copy it name for name - there are more than 13 dwarfs in the catalogue, and some of the names in The Hobbit, he made up himself. "Gandalf" is in the Dwarf Catalogue, though.

  10. I’d never make it to the summit today, though. Middle Earth is no longer safe for hobbits. We did more than merely allow things to get this way–we celebrated it. In the 21st century’s telling, the hobbits are made short work of long before it’s possible to make out the edge of Mordor on the horizon.

    The most important thing to do is to unite — and to keep them united — the Great Lakes German Americans with the Southern Anglo-Celts. Forget the New England WASPs or the WASP Portland, Maine to Portland, Oregon, WASP continuum WASPs. The Irish and Italian and other Catholics must be watched carefully and some of them who are decent and patriotic will come over to the White Core American side.

    California and New York must be isolated and quarantined and then radically depopulated and then repopulated with White Core Americans.

    The Blacks and the Amerindians must be given some carve-outs to keep them content — but not too much.

    The next most important thing to do is too explicitly name the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and then dislodge them from power.

    White people are ready for heavy duty and it is coming whatever us peasants do.

    The globalized ruling classes of the various nations and national blocs are directing the central banker shysters to use monetary extremism to stay in power, and that tells me that the age of ruling class removal is fast approaching.

    IT’S OKAY TO BE GERMAN!

  11. @vok3
    Tolkien didn't so much "make his own" as rip the skin off Nordic myth and drape it over Christianity.

    He did it well, but the more one reads the more one realizes how much he DIDN'T invent.

    In the Voluspa, for example, there's a section listing out names of various heroes. Those names will be totally familiar, since Tolkien stole the name list outright, word for word, no spelling changes, and stuck them on his 13 dwarves headed to the Lonely Mountain. "Earendel" is a name from a pre-Christian British myth. Etc.

    The most interesting thing to me about Tolkien's mythology as compared to modern interpretations of fantasy - dwarves (even with that Tolkienesque spelling), in modern fantasy, are ALWAYS Scots. They're penny-pinching hard-drinking hard-fighting mechanically-apt assholes organized around clans. Whereas Tolkien explicitly stated at one point that he intended his dwarves to be allegorical parallels of the Jews.

    The difference, of course, is that even when they're being assholes, people LIKE Scots.

    But yeah, Boromir.

    Everything is a remix. He synthesized Christian morality and Nordic myth and made a hybrid that inspired an entire genre. Perhaps not the most elevated genre, but it’s more than most writers can claim.

    All those Nordic skalds were weaving together bits and pieces of stories they heard before to please their audience (and get their dinner) too.

  12. @Rahan
    There's a race of aliens that manipulated the UK to start letting the Commonwealth/Empire peoples into the island.
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/07/12/jews-the-ss-empire-windrush-and-the-origins-of-multicultural-britain/

    Same race of aliens that are now manipulating Ireland to do the same.
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/08/30/become-other-than-white-ireland-and-radical-jewish-activism/

    There’s a race of aliens

    They are not aliens, they are white and they will tell you so. You don’t even have to ask.

    “And I’m white as well,” the 78-year-old Sanders interjected before Alberta could finish.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Genetically, they're Meds. According to the GSS, 95% of American Jews racially identify as white. It is the whitest religion in the US.
  13. @anon
    Boromor died in the first part of LotR, so maybe not a felicitious comparison.
    Anyway, what's the point of this cryptic comment in political terms? Making the case for fascism?

    If he’d been equipped with the ring at the time, he wouldn’t have died.

    No, not fascism. Muscular nationalism. That the US is an imperial collection of disparate nations rather than a single nation is a digression in this context.

    • Replies: @anon

    If he’d been equipped with the ring at the time, he wouldn’t have died.
     
    If he had been equipped with the ring, he would have been seduced into evil.
    Maybe you could explain in the future, what you understand by muscular nationalism.
  14. @iffen
    Quintessentially English

    Good, I've been wanting to ask an educated Anglishman a question. I see a lot of weeping and wailing about too many immigrants from the Commonwealth coming into the UK, but having read a little bit of history, I don't seem to remember anything about the alien race that took political control of the UK and forced them to create an empire and a commonwealth?

    Normans, duh!

    • LOL: iffen
  15. The said thing about Tolkien is that they just wouldn’t make the the same movies today, as Peter Jackson was allowed to make. They would be full of diversity. They might even try to remove the parallels to the Polish cavalry arriving at the siege of Vienna.

    And here’s the problem: the story could not be made by a multicultist. It was the result of various English and European cultural inputs and experiences, of Christianity, of the Great War. It is a cultural product.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone, Rosie
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    "Cultural appropriation" complaints only go one way.
    , @Charles Pewitt

    They might even try to remove the parallels to the Polish cavalry arriving at the siege of Vienna.

     

    Greg Luzinski and Casimir Pulaski and Tadeusz Kosciuszko on sturdy horses and the riders on the horses have warrior wings spreading out from the armor covering their torsos.

    Polish guys with warrior wings on horseback fighting to advance the interests of European Christendom by defeating the invading Islamic armies.
  16. @vok3
    Tolkien didn't so much "make his own" as rip the skin off Nordic myth and drape it over Christianity.

    He did it well, but the more one reads the more one realizes how much he DIDN'T invent.

    In the Voluspa, for example, there's a section listing out names of various heroes. Those names will be totally familiar, since Tolkien stole the name list outright, word for word, no spelling changes, and stuck them on his 13 dwarves headed to the Lonely Mountain. "Earendel" is a name from a pre-Christian British myth. Etc.

    The most interesting thing to me about Tolkien's mythology as compared to modern interpretations of fantasy - dwarves (even with that Tolkienesque spelling), in modern fantasy, are ALWAYS Scots. They're penny-pinching hard-drinking hard-fighting mechanically-apt assholes organized around clans. Whereas Tolkien explicitly stated at one point that he intended his dwarves to be allegorical parallels of the Jews.

    The difference, of course, is that even when they're being assholes, people LIKE Scots.

    But yeah, Boromir.

    Ha, more so even than hobbits, dwarves are Middle Earth’s deplorables.

  17. @iffen
    There’s a race of aliens

    They are not aliens, they are white and they will tell you so. You don't even have to ask.

    "And I’m white as well," the 78-year-old Sanders interjected before Alberta could finish.
     

    Genetically, they’re Meds. According to the GSS, 95% of American Jews racially identify as white. It is the whitest religion in the US.

  18. @songbird
    The said thing about Tolkien is that they just wouldn't make the the same movies today, as Peter Jackson was allowed to make. They would be full of diversity. They might even try to remove the parallels to the Polish cavalry arriving at the siege of Vienna.

    And here's the problem: the story could not be made by a multicultist. It was the result of various English and European cultural inputs and experiences, of Christianity, of the Great War. It is a cultural product.

    “Cultural appropriation” complaints only go one way.

  19. @Audacious Epigone
    If he'd been equipped with the ring at the time, he wouldn't have died.

    No, not fascism. Muscular nationalism. That the US is an imperial collection of disparate nations rather than a single nation is a digression in this context.

    If he’d been equipped with the ring at the time, he wouldn’t have died.

    If he had been equipped with the ring, he would have been seduced into evil.
    Maybe you could explain in the future, what you understand by muscular nationalism.

  20. This is a bad analogy. Hobbits behave way more like Hispanics than like prole Whites. Their most favored professions are cook, landscaper, and gardener.

    Low IQ prole Whites are represented by humans in LOTR. Elves represent high IQ SWPLs.

  21. @vok3
    Tolkien didn't so much "make his own" as rip the skin off Nordic myth and drape it over Christianity.

    He did it well, but the more one reads the more one realizes how much he DIDN'T invent.

    In the Voluspa, for example, there's a section listing out names of various heroes. Those names will be totally familiar, since Tolkien stole the name list outright, word for word, no spelling changes, and stuck them on his 13 dwarves headed to the Lonely Mountain. "Earendel" is a name from a pre-Christian British myth. Etc.

    The most interesting thing to me about Tolkien's mythology as compared to modern interpretations of fantasy - dwarves (even with that Tolkienesque spelling), in modern fantasy, are ALWAYS Scots. They're penny-pinching hard-drinking hard-fighting mechanically-apt assholes organized around clans. Whereas Tolkien explicitly stated at one point that he intended his dwarves to be allegorical parallels of the Jews.

    The difference, of course, is that even when they're being assholes, people LIKE Scots.

    But yeah, Boromir.

    In the Voluspa, for example, there’s a section listing out names of various heroes.

    It’s not a list of heroes, it’s the “Dwarf Catalogue”, and he didn’t copy it name for name – there are more than 13 dwarfs in the catalogue, and some of the names in The Hobbit, he made up himself. “Gandalf” is in the Dwarf Catalogue, though.

  22. @songbird
    The said thing about Tolkien is that they just wouldn't make the the same movies today, as Peter Jackson was allowed to make. They would be full of diversity. They might even try to remove the parallels to the Polish cavalry arriving at the siege of Vienna.

    And here's the problem: the story could not be made by a multicultist. It was the result of various English and European cultural inputs and experiences, of Christianity, of the Great War. It is a cultural product.

    They might even try to remove the parallels to the Polish cavalry arriving at the siege of Vienna.

    Greg Luzinski and Casimir Pulaski and Tadeusz Kosciuszko on sturdy horses and the riders on the horses have warrior wings spreading out from the armor covering their torsos.

    Polish guys with warrior wings on horseback fighting to advance the interests of European Christendom by defeating the invading Islamic armies.

  23. LOTR besides is obviously racial wars romanticized, it also has hidden homo messages:
    –The elves according to the story were the fairest of all the Middle Earth races and were also immortal unless killed in battle but yet they were few in numbers, contradicting demographic common sense. The only explanation is the male elves had homo tendency. That explains why the elven princess Arwen seeked relationship with the mortal human Aragorn.
    –Does the orcs’ penchant for ‘man flesh’ mean something other than dietary matters?
    The orcs were said to be originally elves captured and perverted. The orcs seem to be puzzlingly all male.

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
    "immortal unless killed in battle but yet they were few in numbers, contradicting demographic common sense. The only explanation is the male elves had homo tendency. "

    Lots of battles? Magical birth control? I've never had the stomach to read Tolkien, but I guess we're assuming human type reproductive methods? Perhaps they're found under cabbages, or brought by storks. It IS fantasy, after all.
    , @European-American
    Keep in mind that the LOTR is an amazing feat of propaganda, completely the opposite of what really happened. Utter fake news. A massive illusion on the order of The Man in the High Castle.

    Mordor are the good guys. Gandalf and the Elves are Nazis. Hobbits are a silly fairy tale—they don’t exist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer
  24. Middle Earth is no longer safe for hobbits.

    Never desire to be a Hobbit. Hobbits aren’t peaceful. Being peaceful means you have the ability to do violence, but decide upon or negotiate for peace. Being incapable of doing any violence means you are not peaceful, but rather “harmless”.

    Also, at the very end of the story, they actually do have to defend themselves as the war follows them home into the shire and corrupts their society. The four Hobbits that went through struggle are rallied as the leaders to push back and defeat those under the influence of Saruman.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    Who said hobbits were incapable of violence?

    They're quiet but it's always hinted that they've fought in the past and they do fight in the books; they just don't like it very much.

    In fact, it's probably a decent guess that the books follow them because people caught up in struggles who don't relish the fact (Alvin York, say?) are generally more interesting as characters in a novel than people who don't have that degree of inner conflict to add to the story. How many people actually read the Silmarillion as opposed to the hobbit-centered stories? (Well, probably a few on this site, but we're a little off-center here. Also, I'm not saying that characters in the S. have no inner conflicts, just that they are either not so interesting or not brought out so well.)
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "the influence of Saruman"

    Soros funded Saruman's corruption of the Istari. Soros funded DAs release Orcs from captivity to run wild and commit mayhem throughout Middle Earth.
  25. “One thing I’ve never enjoyed about the Gospels–how’s that for audacious?!–is how Jesus often explains the obvious meaning of the parables he tells.”

    Audacious indeed. It would be interesting to know what parables you think have an “obvious” meaning.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Matthew 5:14-15

    You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.

    16 is the 'obvious' explanation:

    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

    Someone with as distinctly a middle brow as I have doesn't do pretension well, so I'm going to stop after this. I really was only joking.
  26. @Lin
    LOTR besides is obviously racial wars romanticized, it also has hidden homo messages:
    --The elves according to the story were the fairest of all the Middle Earth races and were also immortal unless killed in battle but yet they were few in numbers, contradicting demographic common sense. The only explanation is the male elves had homo tendency. That explains why the elven princess Arwen seeked relationship with the mortal human Aragorn.
    --Does the orcs' penchant for 'man flesh' mean something other than dietary matters?
    The orcs were said to be originally elves captured and perverted. The orcs seem to be puzzlingly all male.

    “immortal unless killed in battle but yet they were few in numbers, contradicting demographic common sense. The only explanation is the male elves had homo tendency. ”

    Lots of battles? Magical birth control? I’ve never had the stomach to read Tolkien, but I guess we’re assuming human type reproductive methods? Perhaps they’re found under cabbages, or brought by storks. It IS fantasy, after all.

    • Replies: @Lin
    It IS fantasy, after all
    Sure it's fairy tale. But like it or not, lots of 'institutions' were built on myths or countering myths or ignoring myths. Some examples:
    --As I mentioned before, Eva was not part of Yahweh's original plan to create the human species; has you pastor/priest ever explained to you why? Here I'm talking about some something simple and straight forward from the holy text.
    --According to homos, Yahweh destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah solely because some party goers there wanted to include an angel into their homo orgy NOT because of the perseverance of homosexuality by itself there.
    --There's NO anti-homo Commandment that goes like "Thou shalt not comforth thy staff with thy rod.."
    --Historically, A major justification for slavery in the old US Confederate states was that Jesus's disciples asked the servants(slaves) to obey their masters
  27. @Talha

    Middle Earth is no longer safe for hobbits.
     
    Never desire to be a Hobbit. Hobbits aren’t peaceful. Being peaceful means you have the ability to do violence, but decide upon or negotiate for peace. Being incapable of doing any violence means you are not peaceful, but rather “harmless”.

    Also, at the very end of the story, they actually do have to defend themselves as the war follows them home into the shire and corrupts their society. The four Hobbits that went through struggle are rallied as the leaders to push back and defeat those under the influence of Saruman.

    Peace.

    Who said hobbits were incapable of violence?

    They’re quiet but it’s always hinted that they’ve fought in the past and they do fight in the books; they just don’t like it very much.

    In fact, it’s probably a decent guess that the books follow them because people caught up in struggles who don’t relish the fact (Alvin York, say?) are generally more interesting as characters in a novel than people who don’t have that degree of inner conflict to add to the story. How many people actually read the Silmarillion as opposed to the hobbit-centered stories? (Well, probably a few on this site, but we’re a little off-center here. Also, I’m not saying that characters in the S. have no inner conflicts, just that they are either not so interesting or not brought out so well.)

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Talha

    They’re quiet but it’s always hinted that they’ve fought in the past and they do fight in the books; they just don’t like it very much.
     
    Yes, I hinted at that by mentioning the fight at the end where they do end up killing a few men and losing some Hobbits along the way. However, compared to men, elves, dwarves and whatever else is in Middle Earth, they are relatively harmless. One ride of the Rohirrim would turn their entire people into slaves.

    Their saving grace is that they live in a relatively secluded area and have no resources or skills (except for maybe becoming master thieves with the help of magic rings) to be of any interest to anyone. If they sat on a hill of gold, well - things would be different.

    Peace.
  28. @James J. O'Meara
    "One thing I’ve never enjoyed about the Gospels–how’s that for audacious?!–is how Jesus often explains the obvious meaning of the parables he tells."

    Audacious indeed. It would be interesting to know what parables you think have an "obvious" meaning.

    Matthew 5:14-15

    You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.

    16 is the ‘obvious’ explanation:

    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

    Someone with as distinctly a middle brow as I have doesn’t do pretension well, so I’m going to stop after this. I really was only joking.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    That's not an explanation, it's a continuation, given that v14 starts out with "You are the light of the world"; there's no riddle in these lines.

    Obviously on the other the hand the fact that the apostles are continually presented as blundering clowns, almost --Watsons to Christ's Holmes-- is fairly often remarked on and is certainly noticeable. Some think it charming, considering they are describing themselves or their friends in this way; some probably wish the disciples had been more acute.

  29. @Audacious Epigone
    Matthew 5:14-15

    You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.

    16 is the 'obvious' explanation:

    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

    Someone with as distinctly a middle brow as I have doesn't do pretension well, so I'm going to stop after this. I really was only joking.

    That’s not an explanation, it’s a continuation, given that v14 starts out with “You are the light of the world”; there’s no riddle in these lines.

    Obviously on the other the hand the fact that the apostles are continually presented as blundering clowns, almost –Watsons to Christ’s Holmes– is fairly often remarked on and is certainly noticeable. Some think it charming, considering they are describing themselves or their friends in this way; some probably wish the disciples had been more acute.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Giving it a few moments worth of thought, I realized my issue is not in the explanation but in the obvious and copious numbers of examples, so the comparison is subpar on my part.
  30. @RSDB
    Who said hobbits were incapable of violence?

    They're quiet but it's always hinted that they've fought in the past and they do fight in the books; they just don't like it very much.

    In fact, it's probably a decent guess that the books follow them because people caught up in struggles who don't relish the fact (Alvin York, say?) are generally more interesting as characters in a novel than people who don't have that degree of inner conflict to add to the story. How many people actually read the Silmarillion as opposed to the hobbit-centered stories? (Well, probably a few on this site, but we're a little off-center here. Also, I'm not saying that characters in the S. have no inner conflicts, just that they are either not so interesting or not brought out so well.)

    They’re quiet but it’s always hinted that they’ve fought in the past and they do fight in the books; they just don’t like it very much.

    Yes, I hinted at that by mentioning the fight at the end where they do end up killing a few men and losing some Hobbits along the way. However, compared to men, elves, dwarves and whatever else is in Middle Earth, they are relatively harmless. One ride of the Rohirrim would turn their entire people into slaves.

    Their saving grace is that they live in a relatively secluded area and have no resources or skills (except for maybe becoming master thieves with the help of magic rings) to be of any interest to anyone. If they sat on a hill of gold, well – things would be different.

    Peace.

  31. “the hobbits as libertarians”

    Hobbits aren’t as useless as libertarians. Both are good at parties, however.

  32. @Anonymous
    Tolkein's work is not quintessentially English really. He lamented the fact that the English don't really have much in the way of mythology and legend so wanted to create it in the Nordic style.

    Perhaps LOTR is an insight into what traditional English culture might have been like if the Norman conquest had never happened?

    Tolkien dressed Gandalf as Odin but made him a wizard of the Istari order. Tolkien’s wizards were stand-ins for Celtic Druids. And Druids were descendants of the Magi who came out of the ancient Near East to spread the Babylonian virus throughout Europe. Pass the bong.

  33. @Talha

    Middle Earth is no longer safe for hobbits.
     
    Never desire to be a Hobbit. Hobbits aren’t peaceful. Being peaceful means you have the ability to do violence, but decide upon or negotiate for peace. Being incapable of doing any violence means you are not peaceful, but rather “harmless”.

    Also, at the very end of the story, they actually do have to defend themselves as the war follows them home into the shire and corrupts their society. The four Hobbits that went through struggle are rallied as the leaders to push back and defeat those under the influence of Saruman.

    Peace.

    “the influence of Saruman”

    Soros funded Saruman’s corruption of the Istari. Soros funded DAs release Orcs from captivity to run wild and commit mayhem throughout Middle Earth.

  34. @CMC
    Why don’t you explain it to us?

    Spoiler Alert.

    [MORE]

    Bilbo and company need lodgings and refreshments. Gandalf tells the dwarves to appear at the door in pairs, so Beorn keeps thinking that it’s just a couple more dwarves. (And what difference will that make?) Meanwhile, Gandalf distracts Beorn with a good story so he doesn’t want to send them away. The next thing you know, Beorn’s house is overrun.

    https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/hobbit/section4/

  35. @RSDB
    That's not an explanation, it's a continuation, given that v14 starts out with "You are the light of the world"; there's no riddle in these lines.

    Obviously on the other the hand the fact that the apostles are continually presented as blundering clowns, almost --Watsons to Christ's Holmes-- is fairly often remarked on and is certainly noticeable. Some think it charming, considering they are describing themselves or their friends in this way; some probably wish the disciples had been more acute.

    Giving it a few moments worth of thought, I realized my issue is not in the explanation but in the obvious and copious numbers of examples, so the comparison is subpar on my part.

  36. Samwise Gangee is the spirit of the true blue working class white.

    He has the ring but gives it up, goes on the journey out of solidarity with his friend and helps him destroy it in the end. Pretty remarkable if you consider he is just a gardener, with no fancy skills or knowledge. He enjoys a quick brew at the pub and has eyes on the local lass, later has many kids and engages in local politics.

    I think out of everyone being Sam would be perhaps the greatest choice!

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  37. Quintessentially English, I desire the shire.

    Interestingly enough Tolkien himself wasn’t quite quintessentially English. As a Roman Catholic he was to some extent an outsider as far as the rabidly anti-Catholic mainstream English literary/academic tradition was concerned.

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  38. @James J. O'Meara
    "immortal unless killed in battle but yet they were few in numbers, contradicting demographic common sense. The only explanation is the male elves had homo tendency. "

    Lots of battles? Magical birth control? I've never had the stomach to read Tolkien, but I guess we're assuming human type reproductive methods? Perhaps they're found under cabbages, or brought by storks. It IS fantasy, after all.

    It IS fantasy, after all
    Sure it’s fairy tale. But like it or not, lots of ‘institutions’ were built on myths or countering myths or ignoring myths. Some examples:
    –As I mentioned before, Eva was not part of Yahweh’s original plan to create the human species; has you pastor/priest ever explained to you why? Here I’m talking about some something simple and straight forward from the holy text.
    –According to homos, Yahweh destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah solely because some party goers there wanted to include an angel into their homo orgy NOT because of the perseverance of homosexuality by itself there.
    –There’s NO anti-homo Commandment that goes like “Thou shalt not comforth thy staff with thy rod..”
    –Historically, A major justification for slavery in the old US Confederate states was that Jesus’s disciples asked the servants(slaves) to obey their masters

  39. @Lin
    LOTR besides is obviously racial wars romanticized, it also has hidden homo messages:
    --The elves according to the story were the fairest of all the Middle Earth races and were also immortal unless killed in battle but yet they were few in numbers, contradicting demographic common sense. The only explanation is the male elves had homo tendency. That explains why the elven princess Arwen seeked relationship with the mortal human Aragorn.
    --Does the orcs' penchant for 'man flesh' mean something other than dietary matters?
    The orcs were said to be originally elves captured and perverted. The orcs seem to be puzzlingly all male.

    Keep in mind that the LOTR is an amazing feat of propaganda, completely the opposite of what really happened. Utter fake news. A massive illusion on the order of The Man in the High Castle.

    Mordor are the good guys. Gandalf and the Elves are Nazis. Hobbits are a silly fairy tale—they don’t exist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

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