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One of the great things Ron Unz is doing with UR is providing a time capsule for robot historians to identify the Cotton Matherses of our age at a time and in a context where they were not just being taken seriously but even deferred to. This will be a crucial service for those historians who will, like the general population of the future, struggle to understand how self-destructive, irrational, and superstitious the putative thought leaders of our age were as they look back through the corridors of time.
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IMO, the word “xenophobic” should only be used to describe people who might kill a stranger on sight. So, uncontacted tribes (though it would mostly be redundant here), and certain peoples in historical periods, like the Koreans or Japanese, or China during the Boxer Rebellion, and perhaps, people in destabilized areas like certain Arabs or Afghani tribesmen, or Iran during the Revolution.
Generally speaking, I think Europeans must be about the worst people to use the word on, even historically, but it is obviously applied to them the most.
“Xenophobia” really doesn’t articulate anything, except for the politics of the person using it. “Xenophilia” is a much more sensible word, and should be used in a ratio of at least 10:1.
Do not be afraid of 54. Any element with 8 electrons in its outer shell is welcome in the U.S. of A. anytime!Replies: @Observator
Blaming witches for a plague is less harmful than blaming those trying to empirically identify disease vectors. The former hurts the supposed witches, which is awful. The latter hurts everybody. There’s less drama in the latter though.
On the merits, the Globalist ultra-left cannot defend open borders and unlimited Muslim migration to Christian Europe. Globalist elite leaders such as Macron and Merkel are weak and getting weaker.
In response, the Fake Stream Media establishment is ramping up its use of “Dog Whistle” terminology in an attempt to serve their UN/NWO elite masters. It is not surprising that the SJW hate extremists are whistling the term “xenophobia” in an attempt to scare their low-information sheeple.
Christian Populism is steadily growing in strength. Anti-Christian Globalism is becoming weaker and more desperate.
PEACE 😇
Generally speaking, I think Europeans must be about the worst people to use the word on, even historically, but it is obviously applied to them the most.
"Xenophobia" really doesn't articulate anything, except for the politics of the person using it. "Xenophilia" is a much more sensible word, and should be used in a ratio of at least 10:1.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @obwandiyag
Peak Stupidity noted in our 2nd post ever – I am not a Xenophobe! – that to be technical, xenophobia is the fear of the element xenon, found on Earth in gaseous form. There is really not a good reason to be afraid of any of the noble gases but radon, and even that is blown out of proportion. Radophobia was big about 20 years ago.
Do not be afraid of 54. Any element with 8 electrons in its outer shell is welcome in the U.S. of A. anytime!
To get serious, A.E., is that post title based on the statement by US Army General Casey after the Ft. Hood massacre? I wish General George Patton were still around to slap the ever-loving shit out of that guy.
As an Arab Muslim foreign student in the US, I’m regularly (all the time, really) stopped at airports for additional screening and questioning. I used to feel dejected by it, thinking it was a judgement on me personally as an individual. It’s not a good feeling to be suspected of being a terrorist. So I am sympathetic to those concerned about xenophobia.
However, once I realized that these blanket screenings were necessary for the greater good, I stopped being bothered by it. And on a rational level, I agree with you that a bit of suspicion of the unknown is beneficial to society, if there is a justifiable reason for it.
I will say this though, the harmful impacts of xenophobia should not be underestimated. Sikhs on 9/11 were physically attacked for wearing Turbans and merely looking Muslim. That was vicious and unjust. Same thing for verbal abuse, like people telling Latinos to “go back to where they came from”, even though they are Americans. Man is a social animal. Social rejection can be one of the most hurtful forms of abuse.
Have a good day.
To paraphrase Norm MacDonald, it seems you are saying Al Qaeda perpetrated an attack that killed thousands of Americans, but what really upset you was that a handful of foreigners got roughed up.
https://twitter.com/normmacdonald/status/809637479674281984Replies: @Talha, @Yahya K., @Audacious Epigone
There is a huge difference between holding citizenship in the Imperial United States and actually being an American. The squatmonsters who collect tons of public subsidies and speak English with thick accents if at all are nothing like the people who built this country. Nothing. And if they’re shamed by being put on notice of this fact, they have home countries to go back to. Americans do not.
We say guest and fish on third day, smells...
I will say this though, the harmful impacts of xenophobia should not be underestimated. Sikhs on 9/11 were physically attacked for wearing Turbans and merely looking Muslim.
To paraphrase Norm MacDonald, it seems you are saying Al Qaeda perpetrated an attack that killed thousands of Americans, but what really upset you was that a handful of foreigners got roughed up.
That was a funny joke. But seriously, two wrongs don't make a right. There is no reason we can't be upset at both of them happening.
A crime should not be dismissed just because there are bigger crimes. Should the police ignore petty theft because there are murders?
Also, the Sikhs weren't foreigners, they were your fellow Americans.Replies: @Cloudbuster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMyKGNy3CI4Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
To paraphrase Norm MacDonald, it seems you are saying Al Qaeda perpetrated an attack that killed thousands of Americans, but what really upset you was that a handful of foreigners got roughed up.
https://twitter.com/normmacdonald/status/809637479674281984Replies: @Talha, @Yahya K., @Audacious Epigone
Well, if the kill count in Muslim countries proportionately follows anything close to what was exacted in blood after 9/11…if 50 million Americans were killed, we can reasonably assume every other Muslim on the planet would be eliminated and every single Muslim country’s urban centers look like Stalingrad. Nobody outside American borders is under the delusion that Americans let things simply slide.
Peace.
-> The squatmonsters who collect tons of public subsidies and speak English with thick accents if at all are nothing like the people who built this country. Nothing.
With regards to Latinos not being ‘like the people who built this country’, I don’t think the ancestral argument is the best line of attack here. Latinos are descendants of the Native Americans who inhabited this land for a long, long time. If we are using ancestry to determine who is American and who is not, they should have first claim.
Secondly, while Mexican-Americans may differ in appearance and even IQ, they share many of the same character virtues as the European-Americans I encounter. Both are a hardworking, honorable, optimistic and cheerful people. Character should count for something too.
Why do you hate them so much, anyway?
The so-called Native American population of the current USA was a bunch of warring stone-age bands who failed to advance and were out-fought by people who had to cross an ocean to get to the battle (and quickly did things like turning maize from a small-ish near-tropical crop to the food powerhouse it is today). They lost. Some submitted, some assimilated. None of them resemble the short, fat invaders from points south of the Rio Grande, and none of the latter belong here. Period.Replies: @Yahya K.
I agree. I work with large number of Hispanics, both co-workers and customers. The Hispanics are always nice and pleasant. The only people who regularly get mean and nasty are older white people. Everyone I work with notices the same thing, even those who are anti-immigration.
We can't help it--it's in our genes. We are the real victims.
To paraphrase Norm MacDonald, it seems you are saying Al Qaeda perpetrated an attack that killed thousands of Americans, but what really upset you was that a handful of foreigners got roughed up.
https://twitter.com/normmacdonald/status/809637479674281984Replies: @Talha, @Yahya K., @Audacious Epigone
-> To paraphrase Norm MacDonald, it seems you are saying Al Qaeda perpetrated an attack that killed thousands of Americans, but what really upset you was that a handful of foreigners got roughed up.
That was a funny joke. But seriously, two wrongs don’t make a right. There is no reason we can’t be upset at both of them happening.
A crime should not be dismissed just because there are bigger crimes. Should the police ignore petty theft because there are murders?
Also, the Sikhs weren’t foreigners, they were your fellow Americans.
That was a funny joke. But seriously, two wrongs don't make a right. There is no reason we can't be upset at both of them happening.
A crime should not be dismissed just because there are bigger crimes. Should the police ignore petty theft because there are murders?
Also, the Sikhs weren't foreigners, they were your fellow Americans.Replies: @Cloudbuster
As Mr. Rational said, there’s a lot more to being American than citizenship.
Wrong. They’re invaders who had been kept out by the likes of the Comanche Sioux slaughtering them and conducting extreme reprisal raids if they attempted to infiltrate. The descendants of the Comanche didn’t have to come here; they were already here, if pacified. Aztecs, Mixtecs, Guatemalans, Salvadorans… they were never here until (((somebody))) insisted they be let in.
The so-called Native American population of the current USA was a bunch of warring stone-age bands who failed to advance and were out-fought by people who had to cross an ocean to get to the battle (and quickly did things like turning maize from a small-ish near-tropical crop to the food powerhouse it is today). They lost. Some submitted, some assimilated. None of them resemble the short, fat invaders from points south of the Rio Grande, and none of the latter belong here. Period.
The solution is for arab muslims and latinos to learn to govern themselves to their own satisfaction and be adequately productive. Then they won’t have to move to white european countries and complain about feeling out of place. It’s kind of obvious if you think about it. How many dozens of latino and arab muslim countries are there? Way more than the number of white european countries. Why do you idiots insist on moving to white european countries? White supremacism? How do you justify making the move AND complaining when you get there? It’s so absurd. Have you no shame?
I agree 100%. And in fact, many Latin-American and Arab countries are making progress on that front. Mexico's GDP has improved substantially over the years, and their immigration to the US has grinded to a halt. It may even be negative at this point. There is still work to do in Central America though.
In the Arab world, you'll be surprised by how little people immigrate, considering the population is well over 400 million people. The number of Arabs living in the US and Europe is ~5 million. That's 1.25% of Arabs.
I am a dual citizen of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. We are right across the sea from Europe, but there is practically zero immigration to Europe. Even when Merkel opened the doors (bad decision, imo), apart from the civil war-racked Syrians, no-one in the Arab World went. Notice that most asylum seekers in Europe now are Afghani and Sub-Saharan African, rather than Egyptian or Saudi Arabian.
With regards to my personal situation, I personally don't plan to stay in the US after I finish my studies.
-> Why do you idiots insist on moving to white european countries? White supremacism?
By the way, people don't go to America because they want to 'loot the white man' or any of the other silly motives Unz commentators attribute to them. In the case of Latin Americans, its for better life opportunities. In the case of Syrians, they are fleeing for their life. In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.
Its a shame that some people here don't get that.Replies: @Talha, @Mr. Rational
That is why they all must be removed, BAMN.
You don’t miss a thing.
To paraphrase Norm MacDonald, it seems you are saying Al Qaeda perpetrated an attack that killed thousands of Americans, but what really upset you was that a handful of foreigners got roughed up.
https://twitter.com/normmacdonald/status/809637479674281984Replies: @Talha, @Yahya K., @Audacious Epigone
Alright, let’s do some jokes:
Anyway, thanks. I'd never seen that clip before.Replies: @Talha
The so-called Native American population of the current USA was a bunch of warring stone-age bands who failed to advance and were out-fought by people who had to cross an ocean to get to the battle (and quickly did things like turning maize from a small-ish near-tropical crop to the food powerhouse it is today). They lost. Some submitted, some assimilated. None of them resemble the short, fat invaders from points south of the Rio Grande, and none of the latter belong here. Period.Replies: @Yahya K.
-> None of them resemble the short, fat invaders from points south of the Rio Grande, and none of the latter belong here. Period.
Either way, America is destined to become a Hispanic-majority country in the future.
Adjusting to that reality, with good humor, is better than living in denial.
As the Arabic saying goes: The dogs may bark, but the caravan will keep moving!
No pun intended.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a3d2dfa6-d362-412d-b295-a36130098920#O-FANAY7y.copyPeace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMyKGNy3CI4Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
It’s not just that those 2 didn’t get it, but they couldn’t get it. Their PC level is so high that it would not let them get that joke.
Anyway, thanks. I’d never seen that clip before.
A reasonable wish indeed. I wish that Preston Brooks was still around to flog Chuckie Schumer.
-> The solution is for arab muslims and latinos to learn to govern themselves to their own satisfaction and be adequately productive.
I agree 100%. And in fact, many Latin-American and Arab countries are making progress on that front. Mexico’s GDP has improved substantially over the years, and their immigration to the US has grinded to a halt. It may even be negative at this point. There is still work to do in Central America though.
In the Arab world, you’ll be surprised by how little people immigrate, considering the population is well over 400 million people. The number of Arabs living in the US and Europe is ~5 million. That’s 1.25% of Arabs.
I am a dual citizen of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. We are right across the sea from Europe, but there is practically zero immigration to Europe. Even when Merkel opened the doors (bad decision, imo), apart from the civil war-racked Syrians, no-one in the Arab World went. Notice that most asylum seekers in Europe now are Afghani and Sub-Saharan African, rather than Egyptian or Saudi Arabian.
With regards to my personal situation, I personally don’t plan to stay in the US after I finish my studies.
-> Why do you idiots insist on moving to white european countries? White supremacism?
By the way, people don’t go to America because they want to ‘loot the white man’ or any of the other silly motives Unz commentators attribute to them. In the case of Latin Americans, its for better life opportunities. In the case of Syrians, they are fleeing for their life. In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.
Its a shame that some people here don’t get that.
I think what you are doing is good - may you benefit the people of Egypt/Saudi with the knowledge you attain here, and may Allah swt bless you in your studies.
Wa salaam.Replies: @Yahya K.
Anyway, thanks. I'd never seen that clip before.Replies: @Talha
Not sure if I’m included in that “2”, but I’m actually a fan of Norm MacDonald since his days on SNL. It’s not that I didn’t get it, I just think the incoherence and cognitive dissonance in American internal policy (trying so hard not to offend brown people inside the borders) versus external policy (bombing a country like Afghanistan for almost two decades [for their own good, because “Inside every Hajji is an American, trying to get out!”] with the value of said ordinance likely exceeding the value of the country itself) is far funnier. We’ve convinced ourselves we’re cuddly pushovers (which is the assumption that joke’s punchline relies on) – now THAT’S hilarious!
Peace.
Only after reading your comment did I know you don't get it either. Keep in mind, I'm against all US warmongering that's not in DIRECT defense of the land of the 50 US States. (Sending 25,000 troops - the amount currently in South-freaking-Korea - to the US southern border counts, BTW). No, it's not some cuddliness thing - Americans have thought that they are invincible with the military since the end of the Cold War 30 years back - see The Arrogance of the American Military and Outside it's America.
The point of Norm McDonald's joke is Political Correctness and stupidity. Many Americans of the PC sort would rather see thousands die or (much more likely) the country get changed as to be unrecognizable, than be thought of as racist. There's never been some big backlash against Moslems. That's the joke. Even after 9/11, allegedly perpetrated by mostly Saudi nationals, the country has let more Saudi students in than ever. That's the stupidity angle.
Something about that reminded me of this scene:
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a3d2dfa6-d362-412d-b295-a36130098920#O-FANAY7y.copy
Peace.
Hoopdedo.
Be a good sport while you’re dispossessed, Whitey.
I find it truly despicable that a person would say such a thing to someone.
By the way, people don’t go to America because they want to ‘loot the white man’ or any of the other silly motives Unz commentators attribute to them. In the case of Latin Americans, its for better life opportunities. In the case of Syrians, they are fleeing for their life. In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.
We do get it. We just don’t care. Our dispossession is a catastrophe whether it is the result of malice or not. Our right to defend ourselves has nothing whatsoever to do with the motives of those replacing us.
And yet you come here and shame the founding population for feeling any self-preservation instinct whatsoever.
I haven't shamed anyone for their self preservation instincts. Quite the opposite. I opened my comment with the statement that I agreed 100% that Latin America and the Arab World should start managing ourselves better so we wont need to immigrate:I also openly admitted it was a bad idea for Germany to open up its doors to Arabs.-> Be a good sport while you’re dispossessed, Whitey. I find it truly despicable that a person would say such a thing to someone.
If you want to get all hysterical about events outside of your control, suit yourself.Replies: @Rosie
OK, but does it matter? Does it even matter if he wants (not saying he does) all white people to die off? He’s not here to stay and I assume he’s here paying for his education and his room and board and everything else, unless the US is subsidizing him, which I doubt. And then he will take his knowledge (which he paid for) back home.
I mean why are Americans willing to take his money? Should we have some kind of a questionnaire for the kinds of people who come here temporarily as tourists or students to make sure they like whites or care about white interests?
I mean, if I lived in Istanbul, I wouldn’t care if European tourists came there seething with hate inside and wanting to cleanse the city of kebab, as long as they obeyed the rules and paid all their bills. They’re going to go back anyway, so who cares what they feel?!
Peace.
In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.
Why doesn't he make SA open and decent?
We are being hoisted by our own petard and it's not helpful when people take advantage of it and point it out as well.Replies: @Talha
Unfortunately, Whites have taken this very relaxed attitude to outsiders’ self-righteous preening and lecturing for decades now. When nobody says anything back, it becomes mainstream opinion, and here we are.
You can't tell me white people have such a thin skin - what happened to civilizational confidence?!
Look, I get it when it comes to people settling in the US or other Western countries, THAT is a big deal; you want to make sure those people are in line with your outlook and vision for your society - makes total sense.
Anyway, just my take. I don't personally see it as a big deal (like with my Istanbul example), but that's OK.
Peace.Replies: @Yahya K., @dfordoom
I agree 100%. And in fact, many Latin-American and Arab countries are making progress on that front. Mexico's GDP has improved substantially over the years, and their immigration to the US has grinded to a halt. It may even be negative at this point. There is still work to do in Central America though.
In the Arab world, you'll be surprised by how little people immigrate, considering the population is well over 400 million people. The number of Arabs living in the US and Europe is ~5 million. That's 1.25% of Arabs.
I am a dual citizen of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. We are right across the sea from Europe, but there is practically zero immigration to Europe. Even when Merkel opened the doors (bad decision, imo), apart from the civil war-racked Syrians, no-one in the Arab World went. Notice that most asylum seekers in Europe now are Afghani and Sub-Saharan African, rather than Egyptian or Saudi Arabian.
With regards to my personal situation, I personally don't plan to stay in the US after I finish my studies.
-> Why do you idiots insist on moving to white european countries? White supremacism?
By the way, people don't go to America because they want to 'loot the white man' or any of the other silly motives Unz commentators attribute to them. In the case of Latin Americans, its for better life opportunities. In the case of Syrians, they are fleeing for their life. In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.
Its a shame that some people here don't get that.Replies: @Talha, @Mr. Rational
Salaam Bro,
Which city, if you don’t mind me asking? I’ve been to Alexandria, Cairo (visited Imam Shafi’is masjid – you guys are filled with the graves of the awilya, it was like every other masjid had the tomb of a wali in it!) and one or two towns along the Mediterranean coast.
I think what you are doing is good – may you benefit the people of Egypt/Saudi with the knowledge you attain here, and may Allah swt bless you in your studies.
Wa salaam.
I'm from Cairo, Egypt.
I've been to Alexandria too, and yeah they did a fantastic job preserving cultural artifacts.
Salam.
-> And yet you come here and shame the founding population for feeling any self-preservation instinct whatsoever.
I haven’t shamed anyone for their self preservation instincts. Quite the opposite. I opened my comment with the statement that I agreed 100% that Latin America and the Arab World should start managing ourselves better so we wont need to immigrate:
I also openly admitted it was a bad idea for Germany to open up its doors to Arabs.
-> Be a good sport while you’re dispossessed, Whitey. I find it truly despicable that a person would say such a thing to someone.
If you want to get all hysterical about events outside of your control, suit yourself.
I think what you are doing is good - may you benefit the people of Egypt/Saudi with the knowledge you attain here, and may Allah swt bless you in your studies.
Wa salaam.Replies: @Yahya K.
Thank you Talha for your kind words.
I’m from Cairo, Egypt.
I’ve been to Alexandria too, and yeah they did a fantastic job preserving cultural artifacts.
Salam.
Oh c’mon, the West lectures the third world all the time; about feminism, “muh democracy”, homo-rights and a bunch of other stuff. Third world just ignores it and keeps taking Western tourists’ money anyway.
You can’t tell me white people have such a thin skin – what happened to civilizational confidence?!
Look, I get it when it comes to people settling in the US or other Western countries, THAT is a big deal; you want to make sure those people are in line with your outlook and vision for your society – makes total sense.
Anyway, just my take. I don’t personally see it as a big deal (like with my Istanbul example), but that’s OK.
Peace.
Only these days the West is more likely to bomb other countries into submitting to western cultural norms.
You can't tell me white people have such a thin skin - what happened to civilizational confidence?!
Look, I get it when it comes to people settling in the US or other Western countries, THAT is a big deal; you want to make sure those people are in line with your outlook and vision for your society - makes total sense.
Anyway, just my take. I don't personally see it as a big deal (like with my Istanbul example), but that's OK.
Peace.Replies: @Yahya K., @dfordoom
Funny thing is, no-one from the Third World lectures the West on anything really. As you said, Talha, they are always the one lecturing us. Obama once confronted the 80 year old King of Saudi Arabia about Saudi Arabia’s gay rights record *to his face*.
I think Rosie is mistaking us for her PC fellow Whites in Europe, or even in the US.
Ironic.
Wa salaam.
I agree, I don’t really see much lecturing done from the 3rd World – once in a while, sure, but it’s mostly in the other direction. But I have to admit, I have seen it from many 3rd Worlders that settle in the West even lots of Muslims. I can understand that people in the West wouldn’t want people like that around, it’s annoying – I mean, why did you actively settle there in the first place?
Wa salaam.
You can't tell me white people have such a thin skin - what happened to civilizational confidence?!
Look, I get it when it comes to people settling in the US or other Western countries, THAT is a big deal; you want to make sure those people are in line with your outlook and vision for your society - makes total sense.
Anyway, just my take. I don't personally see it as a big deal (like with my Istanbul example), but that's OK.
Peace.Replies: @Yahya K., @dfordoom
Yep. The West still has pretty much the same attitude towards the Third World as it had in the days of colonialism. There’s still the same arrogant assumption of cultural superiority.
Only these days the West is more likely to bomb other countries into submitting to western cultural norms.
I haven't shamed anyone for their self preservation instincts. Quite the opposite. I opened my comment with the statement that I agreed 100% that Latin America and the Arab World should start managing ourselves better so we wont need to immigrate:I also openly admitted it was a bad idea for Germany to open up its doors to Arabs.-> Be a good sport while you’re dispossessed, Whitey. I find it truly despicable that a person would say such a thing to someone.
If you want to get all hysterical about events outside of your control, suit yourself.Replies: @Rosie
Oh yes, immigration is a force of nature and nothing whatsoever can be done to slow, halt, or reverse it, amirite?
Perhaps you live in a parallel universe.What is the whole global warming hoax but a massive White guilt shakedown operation?
The embrace of the global warming hoax is another symptom of just how far gone western society is. We're turning to apocalyptic millenarial cults. We can't blame Third Worlders for this.Replies: @iffen, @Rosie
No, the “2” are those 2 nitwits that are sitting next to Norm McDonald in the video. I have no idea who they are or I would have mentioned them by name.
Only after reading your comment did I know you don’t get it either. Keep in mind, I’m against all US warmongering that’s not in DIRECT defense of the land of the 50 US States. (Sending 25,000 troops – the amount currently in South-freaking-Korea – to the US southern border counts, BTW). No, it’s not some cuddliness thing – Americans have thought that they are invincible with the military since the end of the Cold War 30 years back – see The Arrogance of the American Military and Outside it’s America.
The point of Norm McDonald’s joke is Political Correctness and stupidity. Many Americans of the PC sort would rather see thousands die or (much more likely) the country get changed as to be unrecognizable, than be thought of as racist. There’s never been some big backlash against Moslems. That’s the joke. Even after 9/11, allegedly perpetrated by mostly Saudi nationals, the country has let more Saudi students in than ever. That’s the stupidity angle.
It’s not that I disagree with your 2nd paragraph either. It just has squat-all to do with Norm McDonald’s joke.
Again, my fault.
Peace.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
“In the case of Syrians, they are fleeing for their life. In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.”
Hmmmm . . .
Let’s get this straight the US is a very generous country. And by generous I am talking about private as well as public giving. I stopped using the term “America” after my second semester of Spanish, I should have taken French. But during that second semester the instructor repeatedly made references how she was an american too. It became very clear to me that in her mind, the US was not the US but rather a something possession for all Americans — by Americans she meant people living in the entire hemisphere. I can’t speak for anyone else in that class. But that semester on, I ceased using “America”. I reside in the US and that country is not a land owned by all “americans”.
Wth regard to citizenship, I know longer pander to those who discuss our ills. I am more than willing to acknowledge those ills, but that is not a pass for others to make claims. And while I may appreciate Mr. Unz, I am not te least bit intimidated by the tactics used to undermine people he doesn’t like. Nor am I intimidated by his friends, who intend on weeding out by any means necessarily that oppose their agenda. Weaker minds who have stuff to lose might be.
But theas been a war on for some time. And for a while I didn’t get it. I treated our guests with deference as guests. Then it dawned on me. They don’t see themselves as guests. And I am not but a tool for their aims. All that politeness, agreement, supposed civility — form over substance. And anyone who get in heir way – is going to get bucketful. I live in the US and frankly I am sick of hearing Spanish. I used to wonder what the two men speaking Spanish at an army hosp[ital were saying ages ago. My mother after a time interjected in the same and they were caught short. I have never forgot that exchange. But now that I am older and have done missions work down south of the border, I have a keener sense of the agenda of Mr. Unz and others. It all sounds reasonable and nice, but at the end of the day — its a kind of vindictive turn. Look their are times when I feel hate for who he country is and what we do to each other more than what we out and about. But there is nothing, and I mean nothing that would drive me to undermine the lives of even my enemies. The baitin, the setting up . . .
Here’s what I have learned, there’s a lot of money at stake for pandering. When I was seeking medical care, aside from the neurologists office, I got a deep sense that I was part of a scam regarding what was happening. Now I am sure that everything was up and above board. But I felt very ill at ease – out of pace even. When I consider the number of power plays that have involved people in the Hispanic community, I unfortunately saw a pattern. And it was about catering, not merelly being polite. I have intermingled with people from foreign countries all of my life. But I have never had such a level of discomfort as I do today and that started before 2017. Now, I am on guard. I remember the week that nonsense went down at the school I worked at. The day my bike was taken off my vehicle. People were driving their cars about with flags and shouts about the USA. It was pretty intense. And then I noticed that most of them were hispanic. I thought that was cool. But something else was edging underneath the surface — one came to to mind — opportunity. I remembered a call I got about my taxes many years ago, from a man whose english was blunted by his dialect. In those of accommodating, I never thought much about it. But in the years later, I wondered about the network. How long would it take for the network of illegals and legal immigrants from Mexico to target anyone they don’t like or who isn’t on board their agenda. Imagione angering some tax preparer or adjuster — this all sounds absolutely irrational. And its not just hispanics, its women . . . it could even be blacks. But dealing with my fellow citizens is one thing, having to guard my hindquarters from Mexicans, who have an advocate right next door — that is another matter.
Now I coach who ever came in the door. And the expectation is that as coach, I will walk with them through the process as all others. But in so doing as they share their views — they must be willing to tolerate the views of others – even when it hurts. I am not talking about denigrating one’s personhood. That should be off limits regardless of one’s ethnicity. I am talking about the discussion of social views, politics, etc. But there’s the new addition of “niceness” that is not at pay in education and the workplace. I always thought I knew what that meant. It meant if your car breaks down and you need some help, I will generally get out of my car and help you push it out of the way even inclined to give you a ride — even if you are here illegally. I once drove a migrant worker all around Charleston, I have no idea to this day what he was looking for. \
Laugh.
But this is the US and I will battle anyone who thinks they have a plan that includes harboring people here, merely because there’s one group of citizens you find it easy to undermine because dealing with that troublesome history is just to much of a hassle. And anyone who is running for office who espouses such notions and advocates the same — well, it’s strange that anyone so running would be considered.
He might have not known the language, and found some American customs and practices “strange”, but he fully embraced the idea that he could be an AMERICAN.
He not only embraced the American ideal, but made damn sure that his children fully appreciated the land in which they were born. His children were expected to learn English and become a part of American society.
Contrast that to today’s immigrants, who are only concerned about one thing–American dollars or shekels.
Today’s immigrants care not one wit about the founding principles of this country, the Constitutional principles in which our rights are endowed by our Creator, that our rights are not granted by government but are inherent in us being human, and that the most important thing about being an American is the sense of freedom that he doesn’t want for himself or his offspring.
Today’s immigrants brings their “old-world” customs and squabbles here, demanding that us native-born Americans kowtow to them and change THEIR ways to accommodate his “old-world” ways.
Their children are not encouraged to become Americans and fully assimilate, but are required to maintain their “old-world” customs and ways, even if they run counter to American customs and mores.
These old-world customs and ways quite often are criminal in nature, and do nothing to endear him to native-born Americans. They just do not want to assimilate.
Today’s immigrants do not deserve to be here and should go back to where they came from.
Yes, this especially includes jews, many of who were born here…but hold allegiance to israel.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
xenophobe definition: a person who strongly dislikes or fears foreigners, their customs, their religions, etc.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=xenophobe&pc=cosp&ptag=G6C999A6EB8ABB659&form=CONBNT&conlogo=CT3210127
Well, if those threaten the standing on national identity, it’s going to be a problem. That’s the gambit here. It’s not brown skin, it is ethnicity to national identity. And on that score, I will defend a death row inmate if he or she is a US citizen, before any immigrant legal or illegal.
And the fact that the death row inmate didn’t have a strong legal defense while an illegal immigrants has an entire team over the span of their time in the US — if the angst that such stirs is xenophobic — you bet I am xenophobic. And every US citizen should be.
I would even risk, putting my “ethnic students” to the stead against the charge of xenophobia, which I suspect makes the same rounds di9luting its meaning as
“racist” or “nazi”.
And then of course there are comments like this:
“Perhaps you live in a parallel universe.What is the whole global warming hoax but a massive White guilt shakedown operation?”
You do realize that the climate change, global warming parade is one begun and most ardently advocated by whites of the best and the brightest variety. And in my view, the guilt would be well deserved save for one little issue, those same whites arte about quilting underdeveloped nations about something they have contributed very little to.
But the global warming hoax (and I agree it’s a hoax) was invented by white people. So it’s definitely not a case of Third Worlders lecturing First Worlders.
The embrace of the global warming hoax is another symptom of just how far gone western society is. We’re turning to apocalyptic millenarial cults. We can’t blame Third Worlders for this.
@Mr. Rational
That is why they all must be removed, BAMN.I can't decide if this idea is nuttier than d's climate change hoax idea.
The only people who regularly get mean and nasty are older white people.
We can’t help it–it’s in our genes. We are the real victims.
They lack that ability. They are with the African: “Gibsmedat”.
They lack introspection too.
That is why they all must be removed, BAMN.
I have to agree with Rosie to a certain extent.
In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.
Why doesn’t he make SA open and decent?
We are being hoisted by our own petard and it’s not helpful when people take advantage of it and point it out as well.
Peace.Replies: @iffen, @songbird
I agree 100%. And in fact, many Latin-American and Arab countries are making progress on that front. Mexico's GDP has improved substantially over the years, and their immigration to the US has grinded to a halt. It may even be negative at this point. There is still work to do in Central America though.
In the Arab world, you'll be surprised by how little people immigrate, considering the population is well over 400 million people. The number of Arabs living in the US and Europe is ~5 million. That's 1.25% of Arabs.
I am a dual citizen of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. We are right across the sea from Europe, but there is practically zero immigration to Europe. Even when Merkel opened the doors (bad decision, imo), apart from the civil war-racked Syrians, no-one in the Arab World went. Notice that most asylum seekers in Europe now are Afghani and Sub-Saharan African, rather than Egyptian or Saudi Arabian.
With regards to my personal situation, I personally don't plan to stay in the US after I finish my studies.
-> Why do you idiots insist on moving to white european countries? White supremacism?
By the way, people don't go to America because they want to 'loot the white man' or any of the other silly motives Unz commentators attribute to them. In the case of Latin Americans, its for better life opportunities. In the case of Syrians, they are fleeing for their life. In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.
Its a shame that some people here don't get that.Replies: @Talha, @Mr. Rational
Those “better life opportunities” are EXACTLY the ability to loot the White man. Their own countries don’t produce anything of the kind. The USA needs to deny them the opportunity to grab what their own countries cannot produce; it’s all they deserve, and nothing more.
No, not even if they die. In nature, there is neither reward nor punishment; there are only consequences. Their consequences belong to them, not us.
Your plans don’t matter. You should be sent home today.
The embrace of the global warming hoax is another symptom of just how far gone western society is. We're turning to apocalyptic millenarial cults. We can't blame Third Worlders for this.Replies: @iffen, @Rosie
It’s that damn city on a hill and an updated white man’s burden. We can’t lay that burden down–it’s in our genes.
That is why they all must be removed, BAMN.
I can’t decide if this idea is nuttier than d’s climate change hoax idea.
In my case, I came here to study because I admire this country for its openness, and decency.
Why doesn't he make SA open and decent?
We are being hoisted by our own petard and it's not helpful when people take advantage of it and point it out as well.Replies: @Talha
Well, to a degree it is…just for Muslims. They don’t care to attract tons of non-Muslim students to their universities.
I simply don’t see the “taking advantage” part. Universities charge top dollar for foreign students. There is an exchange of goods and services happening for money, nothing more. We are open to foreign students because we want their money (I have come across students from the ME before at university, they are often subsidized by their governments which means they pay all expenses). There is no charity being performed here for which the person should be grateful.
Peace.
You and YK want to have your cake and eat it too. What's he going to do with free thought and scholarship in SA? (Granted, we are losing it here as well.)
It took us almost 2 thousand years and millions of dead to get to the 1st Amendment, yet you push a religion that would undo all of it. It's the same as hard core commies using free speech and democracy to seize power. It just ain't kosher.Replies: @Talha
IMO, the number of foreign students the US takes in is not good for the US, and it is not good for the world. Pol Pot went to college in France, as did many other radical elites of the Third World. It helped to radicalize them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Talha
Totally my fault. No idea why I thought your comment referred to my and Yahya’s response to Cloudbuster’s post and the original tweet from Norm. My comment makes no sense if yours is referring to the video AE posted.
Again, my fault.
Peace.
Peace.Replies: @iffen, @songbird
I simply don’t see the “taking advantage” part.
You and YK want to have your cake and eat it too. What’s he going to do with free thought and scholarship in SA? (Granted, we are losing it here as well.)
It took us almost 2 thousand years and millions of dead to get to the 1st Amendment, yet you push a religion that would undo all of it. It’s the same as hard core commies using free speech and democracy to seize power. It just ain’t kosher.
We’ve had this conversation before; if it turns out that eventually (200-300 years down the line) 80% of the US is Muslim (converting of their own volition or their kids) and they decide to make adjustments or exceptions to the 1st Amendment, that’s simply democratic mechanisms (as per the Constitution) at work and it means that, well - in the long run - the 1st Amendment wasn’t the strongest horse in the race. Popper’s Paradox, remember?
Remember, I don’t mind if the American public votes overwhelmingly to adjust the Constitution in order to change my citizenship status and send me packing, so I’m perfectly willing to abide by the rules and results of the same democratic mechanisms. Fair is fair.
Peace.Replies: @iffen
Do not be afraid of 54. Any element with 8 electrons in its outer shell is welcome in the U.S. of A. anytime!Replies: @Observator
“Xenos” is the Greek noun for foreigner; “phoboumai” is the Greek verb for fear.`
Copy. We're talking people, not elements, Got it. I forget sometimes that it's not all about Chemistry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgCVR2pjXc0Replies: @songbird, @Intelligent Dasein
The embrace of the global warming hoax is another symptom of just how far gone western society is. We're turning to apocalyptic millenarial cults. We can't blame Third Worlders for this.Replies: @iffen, @Rosie
Be that as it may, nonwhite certainly are milking it for all it’s worth, aren’t they?
Again, my fault.
Peace.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
No problem. Talha.
Peace.
So, wait, this whole thing has not been about the noble gases?! The whole time, I thought the left had a good point, as it’s hard to keep atmospheric trace gases from crossing national boundaries even WITH a Trump administration.
Copy. We’re talking people, not elements, Got it. I forget sometimes that it’s not all about Chemistry.
I enjoyed reading the March of the Ten Thousand by Xenophon, as well as the somewhat rare (at that time) 2-player simultaneous play offered by the NES port of Xenophobe.
You and YK want to have your cake and eat it too. What's he going to do with free thought and scholarship in SA? (Granted, we are losing it here as well.)
It took us almost 2 thousand years and millions of dead to get to the 1st Amendment, yet you push a religion that would undo all of it. It's the same as hard core commies using free speech and democracy to seize power. It just ain't kosher.Replies: @Talha
No idea. Again, he’s paying for the service he is receiving here, no one is doing him a favor unless they are giving this to him for free.
It’s on offer for anyone who wants it, I’m not pushing it on anyone.
We’ve had this conversation before; if it turns out that eventually (200-300 years down the line) 80% of the US is Muslim (converting of their own volition or their kids) and they decide to make adjustments or exceptions to the 1st Amendment, that’s simply democratic mechanisms (as per the Constitution) at work and it means that, well – in the long run – the 1st Amendment wasn’t the strongest horse in the race. Popper’s Paradox, remember?
Remember, I don’t mind if the American public votes overwhelmingly to adjust the Constitution in order to change my citizenship status and send me packing, so I’m perfectly willing to abide by the rules and results of the same democratic mechanisms. Fair is fair.
Peace.
I’ll be more careful to not assume the worst next time so I don’t waste peoples’ time. 👍
Peace.
Copy. We're talking people, not elements, Got it. I forget sometimes that it's not all about Chemistry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgCVR2pjXc0Replies: @songbird, @Intelligent Dasein
But I won’t say xeno is a total wash.
I enjoyed reading the March of the Ten Thousand by Xenophon, as well as the somewhat rare (at that time) 2-player simultaneous play offered by the NES port of Xenophobe.
We’ve had this conversation before; if it turns out that eventually (200-300 years down the line) 80% of the US is Muslim (converting of their own volition or their kids) and they decide to make adjustments or exceptions to the 1st Amendment, that’s simply democratic mechanisms (as per the Constitution) at work and it means that, well - in the long run - the 1st Amendment wasn’t the strongest horse in the race. Popper’s Paradox, remember?
Remember, I don’t mind if the American public votes overwhelmingly to adjust the Constitution in order to change my citizenship status and send me packing, so I’m perfectly willing to abide by the rules and results of the same democratic mechanisms. Fair is fair.
Peace.Replies: @iffen
I don’t mind if the American public votes overwhelmingly to adjust the Constitution in order to change my citizenship status
Well, I mind quite a bit. As a matter of fact, prohibition of ex post facto law is in there as well. I consider it against natural law and all the laws of all the gods of the cosmos to try and take citizenship from a person except for obvious treason. A law that denies naturalization to Muslims, no problem. A law that tries to deny citizenship to a Muslim citizen, big problem.
Your religion is a proselytizing one and you are a disciple, even if you are not pushy about it like those cultish Mormons.
The way I see it, if you have a society linked to a consitutional framework in which everything is negotiable based on what the (super) majority of the populace wants, then you play by the rules and you win some and you lose some.Big time.Yeah - no need to be. As I said elsewhere; the product sells itself. With everyone else closing shop, we really only have to keep the shop open and keep selling the product that everyone else seems to have forgotten. As one scholar I highly respect repeats; "The most important thing is the link between the Creator and His servant...all else are details."*
Peace.
https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/2025917-Rumi-Quote-Come-come-whoever-you-are-Wanderer-worshiper-lover-of.jpg
All political ideologies are essentially secular proselytising religions.
I've lived in parts of Australia with large Muslim communities. No Muslim has ever tried to convert me. I have had Christians and greenies try to convert me, and the odd militant atheist. And feminists of course.
The Islamic threat to the West is ludicrously overblown.Replies: @Mr. Rational
“Remember, I don’t mind if the American public votes overwhelmingly to adjust the Constitution in order to change my citizenship status and send me packing, so I’m perfectly willing to abide by the rules and results of the same democratic mechanisms. Fair is fair.”
Nonsense. you would mind and you should. There’s no reason to make such an amendment. But it would be more than n inconvenience.
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“Those “better life opportunities” are EXACTLY the ability to loot the White man.”
I am sure you are just venting here. But it was funny and also nonsense. I was going to defend your right to be here if yo are legally documented. But that comment about looting caught me sideways and underneath it is troubling. Because better this or that is not a cause to engage in nefarious activities, such as theft – even legal theft. But tht kind of thinking is that of the criminal mind and troublesome.
Mt bitterness is not cause to harm others. One should have no issues with the wealthy save that they have more access, and are not held accountable for their wrong doing — because of the same. But your attitude is a tad irksome. In all fairness maybe you mean, the US deserves what’s coming. I sometimes feel that way, at the moment actually. But again, that venting is not a crime. I ave no idea how we can be so generous and murder nearly one million children a year. Yet we vote people in office who have no issues tearing children limb from limb — comeuppance in spades abusing God’s grace.
Whoa my error ---- excuse me. This,
“Those “better life opportunities” are EXACTLY the ability to loot the White man.”
is not a comment by you. My response is unwarranted, unless you actually believe that and as i have no evidence of the same --- excuse me.
No deliberate attempt on my part to cause a dust up. The window closed before i could delete it.
However, I also intended to add. If you are here legally, there are no issues with enjoying what that opportunity provides including a right to your opinion. And while some here feel a need to express disapproval. Most US citizens are not inclined to either do or anything untoward your presence, even if as a Muslim they feel discomfit by your presence. Since 9/11, I have no doubt even more so. I have visited foreign countries and most of the time people were very pleasant, but on occasion, not so much. It is their country they have a right to have their sentiments. It's their house, and I am bound to respect their whatever.
But I am going to protect my fellow citizens rights to their feelings as you would yours, at least IO hope so. If I went to Syria even before the invasions by the US military. I have no doubt that Muslims there in no small numbers would be troubled by US citizenship and even more to my scriptural lean. And i would be remiss, if i did not make room for that. it is after all, their country. Though for the life of me, I will never figure out how I go9t a ticket in London for parking, when the only stop was at a laundromat, which was closed -- that's carrying the
"you're not welcome here" a tad far and bad form. Laugh. Wore to get it when I was in the states -- and couldn't do a thing about challenging it -- very very bad form. You may get a moving violation, but few are going to take the time to manufacture a license plate number photo that could be have been taken anywhere and claim, you were illegally parked.
I was naive about how far people will go o damage you damage others before 9/11, but since, my eyes have been opened to a very strange and unbalanced reality. There are people in the world who truly are warped and evil walking around with every appearance of being normal and even above board.
I will deal with your misread of US history regarding Hispanics on this continent in another post.Replies: @Yahya K.
Copy. We're talking people, not elements, Got it. I forget sometimes that it's not all about Chemistry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgCVR2pjXc0Replies: @songbird, @Intelligent Dasein
Nonsense. you would mind and you should. There's no reason to make such an amendment. But it would be more than n inconvenience.
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"Those “better life opportunities” are EXACTLY the ability to loot the White man."
I am sure you are just venting here. But it was funny and also nonsense. I was going to defend your right to be here if yo are legally documented. But that comment about looting caught me sideways and underneath it is troubling. Because better this or that is not a cause to engage in nefarious activities, such as theft - even legal theft. But tht kind of thinking is that of the criminal mind and troublesome.
Mt bitterness is not cause to harm others. One should have no issues with the wealthy save that they have more access, and are not held accountable for their wrong doing -- because of the same. But your attitude is a tad irksome. In all fairness maybe you mean, the US deserves what's coming. I sometimes feel that way, at the moment actually. But again, that venting is not a crime. I ave no idea how we can be so generous and murder nearly one million children a year. Yet we vote people in office who have no issues tearing children limb from limb --- comeuppance in spades abusing God's grace.Replies: @EliteCommInc.
Yahya K.
Whoa my error —- excuse me. This,
“Those “better life opportunities” are EXACTLY the ability to loot the White man.”
is not a comment by you. My response is unwarranted, unless you actually believe that and as i have no evidence of the same — excuse me.
No deliberate attempt on my part to cause a dust up. The window closed before i could delete it.
However, I also intended to add. If you are here legally, there are no issues with enjoying what that opportunity provides including a right to your opinion. And while some here feel a need to express disapproval. Most US citizens are not inclined to either do or anything untoward your presence, even if as a Muslim they feel discomfit by your presence. Since 9/11, I have no doubt even more so. I have visited foreign countries and most of the time people were very pleasant, but on occasion, not so much. It is their country they have a right to have their sentiments. It’s their house, and I am bound to respect their whatever.
But I am going to protect my fellow citizens rights to their feelings as you would yours, at least IO hope so. If I went to Syria even before the invasions by the US military. I have no doubt that Muslims there in no small numbers would be troubled by US citizenship and even more to my scriptural lean. And i would be remiss, if i did not make room for that. it is after all, their country. Though for the life of me, I will never figure out how I go9t a ticket in London for parking, when the only stop was at a laundromat, which was closed — that’s carrying the
“you’re not welcome here” a tad far and bad form. Laugh. Wore to get it when I was in the states — and couldn’t do a thing about challenging it — very very bad form. You may get a moving violation, but few are going to take the time to manufacture a license plate number photo that could be have been taken anywhere and claim, you were illegally parked.
I was naive about how far people will go o damage you damage others before 9/11, but since, my eyes have been opened to a very strange and unbalanced reality. There are people in the world who truly are warped and evil walking around with every appearance of being normal and even above board.
I will deal with your misread of US history regarding Hispanics on this continent in another post.
Thank you for your responses.
Your comments are a thoughtful oasis in a desert of irrationality and hatred.
Have a good day, sir.
Mr. Rational,
I am not sure what dark life events caused you to dislike minorities so much. But as an aside, I have to tell you that I admire your trenchant writing style. How do you manage to express your contempt with such pungency and humor? I am being genuine. Others here, like Rosie, are just as hateful, but she comes off as mean-spirited and bitter. You don’t.
Do you have any writing advice?
Whoa my error ---- excuse me. This,
“Those “better life opportunities” are EXACTLY the ability to loot the White man.”
is not a comment by you. My response is unwarranted, unless you actually believe that and as i have no evidence of the same --- excuse me.
No deliberate attempt on my part to cause a dust up. The window closed before i could delete it.
However, I also intended to add. If you are here legally, there are no issues with enjoying what that opportunity provides including a right to your opinion. And while some here feel a need to express disapproval. Most US citizens are not inclined to either do or anything untoward your presence, even if as a Muslim they feel discomfit by your presence. Since 9/11, I have no doubt even more so. I have visited foreign countries and most of the time people were very pleasant, but on occasion, not so much. It is their country they have a right to have their sentiments. It's their house, and I am bound to respect their whatever.
But I am going to protect my fellow citizens rights to their feelings as you would yours, at least IO hope so. If I went to Syria even before the invasions by the US military. I have no doubt that Muslims there in no small numbers would be troubled by US citizenship and even more to my scriptural lean. And i would be remiss, if i did not make room for that. it is after all, their country. Though for the life of me, I will never figure out how I go9t a ticket in London for parking, when the only stop was at a laundromat, which was closed -- that's carrying the
"you're not welcome here" a tad far and bad form. Laugh. Wore to get it when I was in the states -- and couldn't do a thing about challenging it -- very very bad form. You may get a moving violation, but few are going to take the time to manufacture a license plate number photo that could be have been taken anywhere and claim, you were illegally parked.
I was naive about how far people will go o damage you damage others before 9/11, but since, my eyes have been opened to a very strange and unbalanced reality. There are people in the world who truly are warped and evil walking around with every appearance of being normal and even above board.
I will deal with your misread of US history regarding Hispanics on this continent in another post.Replies: @Yahya K.
EliteComm,
Thank you for your responses.
Your comments are a thoughtful oasis in a desert of irrationality and hatred.
Have a good day, sir.
Honestly, it seems kind of gauche of you to bring up the putative harassment of Sikhs in the US, after 9/11. With respect, that was 19 years ago, and the xenophobia of the West would not register on the gauge of the xenophobia of the Arabic-speaking world.
You should be using examples from your own area, like the frequent murder of tourists or Copts (though they are indigenous). Or the fact that Mecca is closed to non-Muslims.
Agree
Of course it is incumbent upon the white man to distinguish among all the ragheads of the world. It’s right there on page 27 of the white man’s burden textbook.
Ok.
I brought it up because the topic of this forum was xenophobia in the US. As a foreigner in the US, I thought I had a relevant experience to share on this topic, which many of you may not have had.
And I agree that xenophobia is more problematic in the Arab World than it is here. I will open up with that next time to make my comment less accusatory and offensive.
Apologies.
As to your experience, it is one thing to feel an outsider in someone else's country, but it is an entirely different thing to be made to feel an outsider in your own country. I'm not just speaking of newer countries here, I am speaking of the ancient, and you haven't had that experience.
You bring up Sikhs and seem to imply we are callous, but, honestly, in this instance, it feels like they are an inanimate object to you - a weapon. I don't mean to be insulting, but that's how it comes across. I rebuff the idea that I'm supposed to infinitely self-abase myself before the god Diversity.
Diversity is not my god, and I do not worship it, nor did any of my forefathers. This is a misapprehension that many foreigners seem to have of Europeans.
Is Diversity your god? For all that we are castigated by foreigners, I don't see a lot of evidence that they worship it in their own nations, and, believe me, it is insulting to experience this hypocrisy in your own home.
What would this false god Diversity do to the Arab world? I'm not sure you'd believe me, but I do know - there would be pride parades around the Kaaba. Rainbow flags would fly from minarets, and homos would "marry" seven other men.
the topic of this forum was xenophobia in the US
No sir.
The topic of this forum is the insanity of our elites who worry more about being PC than worrying about thousands of Americans dying unnecessary early deaths.
Welcome to openness and decency.
The problem is not that you didn’t mention the beams in your own people’s eyes. The problem is that you think we don’t have the right to care about our country in the same way. The way the Western world has been over the last few centuries, NO, you wouldn’t get treated the way the Moslem countries have treated anyone not in their religion/sect/ethicity. Americans have been DAMN tolerant, for TOO DAMN LONG.
Xenophobia, not the kind against element #54 as I joked about, is a pretty natural attitude to have for any people who want to stay as that people in this world. It’s great that we have guys like Talha, and probably 75% of the Moslems in this country now, that one can get along with, learn a bit from, etc. However, no more than just a few percent foreigners of any sort in our country at one time is ENOUGH. Right now it’s going up through 15%, the highest since 1910, and we know what was accomplished after then – a near-moratorium on immigration.
Assimilation does not work on large numbers. I don’t even care if they’re from England. Nowadays, most of the people from W. Europe are Socialists, like unz commenter Jonathan Mason. Does north Florida (the only part of the place still in the South) need guys like that? WTF for?
Thanks, and to Iffen, Mr. Rational, and Rosie, too.
-> The problem is that you think we don’t have the right to care about our country in the same way.
When have I ever said that?
I wrote multiple comments about the need to halt immigration to the western world. And as I stated in my original comment:
Many of you seem intent on putting words in my mouth.
And with regard to the previous comment about my unjustly bringing up the Sikh situation from 20 years – judging by the nasty responses here downplaying their harassment, dismissing them as ‘ragheads’, and even denying them their citizenship – it appears my highlighting their situation was well chosen and justified.
At any rate, I came here hoping for some intelligent discussion on world events. All I got was responses from racists, quacks, idiots and otherwise demented people (apart from Talha, and EliteComm). So, this will be my last comment here.
Adios.
Why? Why does Talha’s right to live in the United States trump White people’s right to continue existing? This is the question I have never gotten a sensible answer to.
Because he is a citizen. We don't have anything to hold us together that is higher than that.
Your white people's republic is dreamology.Replies: @Rosie
The only threat to the existence of white people is white people themselves. If white people choose not to breed then the only people who can be blamed for that are - white people.
Is Talha going around trying to stop white people from having children? In fact the impression I've always got from him is that he thinks white people should have more kids.
The people encouraging us not to have kids are the crazy environmentalists and they're overwhelmingly white.
I know you're obsessed with miscegenation but again that is something white people freely choose to do. No-one is forcing them to do so. Inter-racial marriage is not compulsory.Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Rosie
Don’t like to read contrary opinions with the truth? Fuck off, wanker.
ooops, sorry, A.E.
“At any rate, I came here hoping for some intelligent discussion on world events. All I got was responses from racists, quacks, idiots and otherwise demented people (apart from Talha, and EliteComm)”
Very kind of you. One of the tests here is tolerating the venom.
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“Your comments are a thoughtful oasis in a desert of irrationality and hatred.
Have a good day, sir.”
Kinder still.
Hmmmm . . . Let's get this straight the US is a very generous country. And by generous I am talking about private as well as public giving. I stopped using the term "America" after my second semester of Spanish, I should have taken French. But during that second semester the instructor repeatedly made references how she was an american too. It became very clear to me that in her mind, the US was not the US but rather a something possession for all Americans -- by Americans she meant people living in the entire hemisphere. I can't speak for anyone else in that class. But that semester on, I ceased using "America". I reside in the US and that country is not a land owned by all "americans". Wth regard to citizenship, I know longer pander to those who discuss our ills. I am more than willing to acknowledge those ills, but that is not a pass for others to make claims. And while I may appreciate Mr. Unz, I am not te least bit intimidated by the tactics used to undermine people he doesn't like. Nor am I intimidated by his friends, who intend on weeding out by any means necessarily that oppose their agenda. Weaker minds who have stuff to lose might be. But theas been a war on for some time. And for a while I didn't get it. I treated our guests with deference as guests. Then it dawned on me. They don't see themselves as guests. And I am not but a tool for their aims. All that politeness, agreement, supposed civility --- form over substance. And anyone who get in heir way - is going to get bucketful. I live in the US and frankly I am sick of hearing Spanish. I used to wonder what the two men speaking Spanish at an army hosp[ital were saying ages ago. My mother after a time interjected in the same and they were caught short. I have never forgot that exchange. But now that I am older and have done missions work down south of the border, I have a keener sense of the agenda of Mr. Unz and others. It all sounds reasonable and nice, but at the end of the day -- its a kind of vindictive turn. Look their are times when I feel hate for who he country is and what we do to each other more than what we out and about. But there is nothing, and I mean nothing that would drive me to undermine the lives of even my enemies. The baitin, the setting up . . . Here's what I have learned, there's a lot of money at stake for pandering. When I was seeking medical care, aside from the neurologists office, I got a deep sense that I was part of a scam regarding what was happening. Now I am sure that everything was up and above board. But I felt very ill at ease - out of pace even. When I consider the number of power plays that have involved people in the Hispanic community, I unfortunately saw a pattern. And it was about catering, not merelly being polite. I have intermingled with people from foreign countries all of my life. But I have never had such a level of discomfort as I do today and that started before 2017. Now, I am on guard. I remember the week that nonsense went down at the school I worked at. The day my bike was taken off my vehicle. People were driving their cars about with flags and shouts about the USA. It was pretty intense. And then I noticed that most of them were hispanic. I thought that was cool. But something else was edging underneath the surface -- one came to to mind -- opportunity. I remembered a call I got about my taxes many years ago, from a man whose english was blunted by his dialect. In those of accommodating, I never thought much about it. But in the years later, I wondered about the network. How long would it take for the network of illegals and legal immigrants from Mexico to target anyone they don't like or who isn't on board their agenda. Imagione angering some tax preparer or adjuster --- this all sounds absolutely irrational. And its not just hispanics, its women . . . it could even be blacks. But dealing with my fellow citizens is one thing, having to guard my hindquarters from Mexicans, who have an advocate right next door -- that is another matter. Now I coach who ever came in the door. And the expectation is that as coach, I will walk with them through the process as all others. But in so doing as they share their views -- they must be willing to tolerate the views of others - even when it hurts. I am not talking about denigrating one's personhood. That should be off limits regardless of one's ethnicity. I am talking about the discussion of social views, politics, etc. But there's the new addition of "niceness" that is not at pay in education and the workplace. I always thought I knew what that meant. It meant if your car breaks down and you need some help, I will generally get out of my car and help you push it out of the way even inclined to give you a ride --- even if you are here illegally. I once drove a migrant worker all around Charleston, I have no idea to this day what he was looking for. \Laugh.
But this is the US and I will battle anyone who thinks they have a plan that includes harboring people here, merely because there's one group of citizens you find it easy to undermine because dealing with that troublesome history is just to much of a hassle. And anyone who is running for office who espouses such notions and advocates the same --- well, it's strange that anyone so running would be considered.Replies: @anarchyst
There used to be a time when just about ANY immigrant who set upon the shores of America was not only grateful, but willing to shed his “old world” ways and support his adopted country.
He might have not known the language, and found some American customs and practices “strange”, but he fully embraced the idea that he could be an AMERICAN.
He not only embraced the American ideal, but made damn sure that his children fully appreciated the land in which they were born. His children were expected to learn English and become a part of American society.
Contrast that to today’s immigrants, who are only concerned about one thing–American dollars or shekels.
Today’s immigrants care not one wit about the founding principles of this country, the Constitutional principles in which our rights are endowed by our Creator, that our rights are not granted by government but are inherent in us being human, and that the most important thing about being an American is the sense of freedom that he doesn’t want for himself or his offspring.
Today’s immigrants brings their “old-world” customs and squabbles here, demanding that us native-born Americans kowtow to them and change THEIR ways to accommodate his “old-world” ways.
Their children are not encouraged to become Americans and fully assimilate, but are required to maintain their “old-world” customs and ways, even if they run counter to American customs and mores.
These old-world customs and ways quite often are criminal in nature, and do nothing to endear him to native-born Americans. They just do not want to assimilate.
Today’s immigrants do not deserve to be here and should go back to where they came from.
Yes, this especially includes jews, many of who were born here…but hold allegiance to israel.
Anyway, great comment, Anarchyst!
He might have not known the language, and found some American customs and practices “strange”, but he fully embraced the idea that he could be an AMERICAN.
He not only embraced the American ideal, but made damn sure that his children fully appreciated the land in which they were born. His children were expected to learn English and become a part of American society.
Contrast that to today’s immigrants, who are only concerned about one thing–American dollars or shekels.
Today’s immigrants care not one wit about the founding principles of this country, the Constitutional principles in which our rights are endowed by our Creator, that our rights are not granted by government but are inherent in us being human, and that the most important thing about being an American is the sense of freedom that he doesn’t want for himself or his offspring.
Today’s immigrants brings their “old-world” customs and squabbles here, demanding that us native-born Americans kowtow to them and change THEIR ways to accommodate his “old-world” ways.
Their children are not encouraged to become Americans and fully assimilate, but are required to maintain their “old-world” customs and ways, even if they run counter to American customs and mores.
These old-world customs and ways quite often are criminal in nature, and do nothing to endear him to native-born Americans. They just do not want to assimilate.
Today’s immigrants do not deserve to be here and should go back to where they came from.
Yes, this especially includes jews, many of who were born here…but hold allegiance to israel.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
The Western countries are importing people who were on different sides of overseas wars now, for crying out loud! See Importing a civil war, in Sweden. “Stockholm, population 910,000, is home to 16,400 Iraqis and 11,600 Iranians.” Huh, near equal numbers even, for … fairness or something … yeah, that’s what ya want.
Anyway, great comment, Anarchyst!
Adios.
Dude, you can’t do cultural appropriation like that.
You may not be fully aware of the rabbit hole into which you have fallen.
Except for the bizzare arbitrary rules imposed by the old maid, this is a free thought and intellectual free fire zone.
Stick around. I think you have potential.
Why does Talha’s right to live in the United States trump White people’s right to continue existing?This is the question I have never gotten a sensible answer to.
Because he is a citizen. We don’t have anything to hold us together that is higher than that.
Your white people’s republic is dreamology.
Peace.Replies: @iffen, @songbird
One of the props of the college bubble is the money of foreign students. Would the Saudis fund scholarships, if they understood that virtually every radical idea, every subversion that the West has become prey to came from the college system? That the college system has impacted family formation? That it is virtually the fountainhead of feminism and the gay agenda?
IMO, the number of foreign students the US takes in is not good for the US, and it is not good for the world. Pol Pot went to college in France, as did many other radical elites of the Third World. It helped to radicalize them.
Ho Chi Minh spent most of his young adult years in France too, I assume going to college there. He went to get an audience with President Wilson during the Versailles fiasco 101 years ago, to help get Vietnam released from the grip of France. He did not get to talk with Wilson.
Peace.Replies: @songbird
“There used to be a time when just about ANY immigrant who set upon the shores of America was not only grateful, but willing to shed his “old world” ways and support his adopted country. ”
“Today’s immigrants brings their “old-world” customs and squabbles here, demanding that us native-born Americans kowtow to them and change THEIR ways to accommodate his “old-world” ways.”
I largely agree here and with a good deal of your other expressed comments. Not all but certainly a substantial portion in varying degrees.
One should appreciate coming to this country and by doing so — that means they are giving upsomething for something else.
I have no idea why we are celebrating “Cinco De Mayo”
At least when I say and mean
God Save the Queen
It has cultural historical salience.
With this add on Te United Tsates is not a European country. We rejected the European models more than 200 years ago.
God Save the Queen.
IMO, the number of foreign students the US takes in is not good for the US, and it is not good for the world. Pol Pot went to college in France, as did many other radical elites of the Third World. It helped to radicalize them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Talha
That’s a very good point, Songbird, about the foreign money being another part of the college bubble. I knew these 2 Saudi engineering students that drove matching black Corvettes. They wanted a break on the technical writing cause “English is not our native language” and all. That was just too bad, is what I told them. These guys were having a grand old time, but I wonder what they told their Dad.
Ho Chi Minh spent most of his young adult years in France too, I assume going to college there. He went to get an audience with President Wilson during the Versailles fiasco 101 years ago, to help get Vietnam released from the grip of France. He did not get to talk with Wilson.
I agree that not everyone comes for the welfare. Though, let’s face it, many do, and most of the others are political supporters of the welfare system, which has gotten far out of hand.
As to your experience, it is one thing to feel an outsider in someone else’s country, but it is an entirely different thing to be made to feel an outsider in your own country. I’m not just speaking of newer countries here, I am speaking of the ancient, and you haven’t had that experience.
You bring up Sikhs and seem to imply we are callous, but, honestly, in this instance, it feels like they are an inanimate object to you – a weapon. I don’t mean to be insulting, but that’s how it comes across. I rebuff the idea that I’m supposed to infinitely self-abase myself before the god Diversity.
Diversity is not my god, and I do not worship it, nor did any of my forefathers. This is a misapprehension that many foreigners seem to have of Europeans.
Is Diversity your god? For all that we are castigated by foreigners, I don’t see a lot of evidence that they worship it in their own nations, and, believe me, it is insulting to experience this hypocrisy in your own home.
What would this false god Diversity do to the Arab world? I’m not sure you’d believe me, but I do know – there would be pride parades around the Kaaba. Rainbow flags would fly from minarets, and homos would “marry” seven other men.
Generally speaking, I think Europeans must be about the worst people to use the word on, even historically, but it is obviously applied to them the most.
"Xenophobia" really doesn't articulate anything, except for the politics of the person using it. "Xenophilia" is a much more sensible word, and should be used in a ratio of at least 10:1.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @obwandiyag
People have a right to despise the elite imposing forced immigration onto their Heimat in order to depress wages, destroy the culture, divide and conquer, and prevent any possiblechance of unionization or even free association. They have every right. This is not xenophobia. At all. It is common sense.
Because he is a citizen. We don't have anything to hold us together that is higher than that.
Your white people's republic is dreamology.Replies: @Rosie
That’s what people said about the Zionist state. And what if we don’t want to be “held together”?
And what if we don’t want to be “held together”?
Simple enough. We won't be.
Seriously Rosie? Do you think that you can match what those Zionists did from the late 19th century up through 1948?
And what if we don’t want to be “held together”?
Simple enough. We won’t be.
That’s why I like conversing with you, you abide by certain principles – I respect that. I might not agree with all of your principles, but I definitely respect where you are coming from.
The way I see it, if you have a society linked to a consitutional framework in which everything is negotiable based on what the (super) majority of the populace wants, then you play by the rules and you win some and you lose some.
Big time.
Yeah – no need to be. As I said elsewhere; the product sells itself. With everyone else closing shop, we really only have to keep the shop open and keep selling the product that everyone else seems to have forgotten. As one scholar I highly respect repeats; “The most important thing is the link between the Creator and His servant…all else are details.”*
Peace.
..not going to USA and EU and stay there , no bad feeling. I stay home..
We say guest and fish on third day, smells…
IMO, the number of foreign students the US takes in is not good for the US, and it is not good for the world. Pol Pot went to college in France, as did many other radical elites of the Third World. It helped to radicalize them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Talha
Absolutely. The elites do not want to let quibbles about “local cultures” and such get in the way of their gravy train.
To this day, I have never come across a foreign Muslim student that was being funded by their government that was studying anything but something in the sciences or medicine or engineering or the like. I don’t think they worry about this because their students aren’t taking things like woke gender studies.
Definitely a possibility.
Sure – but didn’t they get involved in Marxist or Communist groups which were quite common (and the woke culture of the time)? I think if the student just sticks to their STEM/medical studies and avoids activist gropus on campus, it’s probably alright.
Peace.
I'm not saying everyone is a mindless drone, but I think college has a lot of negative effects that aren't discussed much. Honestly, I'd like to see the system gutted. Conservatively, I think that at least half of the people going shouldn't be going, and probably more. And some of those people who shouldn't be going are intelligent people.
As a society, I think we put to much importance in education, and not enough in intelligence or wisdom. Rather, it is like you get punished for recognizing either.Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Rational, @Audacious Epigone
There are other proselytising religions around today that are a much much greater threat than Islam. How else do you describe LGBT activists, environmentalists and SJWs in general other than as aggressive proselytising religions?
All political ideologies are essentially secular proselytising religions.
I’ve lived in parts of Australia with large Muslim communities. No Muslim has ever tried to convert me. I have had Christians and greenies try to convert me, and the odd militant atheist. And feminists of course.
The Islamic threat to the West is ludicrously overblown.
I can give you a sensible answer but you won’t like it.
The only threat to the existence of white people is white people themselves. If white people choose not to breed then the only people who can be blamed for that are – white people.
Is Talha going around trying to stop white people from having children? In fact the impression I’ve always got from him is that he thinks white people should have more kids.
The people encouraging us not to have kids are the crazy environmentalists and they’re overwhelmingly white.
I know you’re obsessed with miscegenation but again that is something white people freely choose to do. No-one is forcing them to do so. Inter-racial marriage is not compulsory.
The reason: He doesn't attempt to sow division between White men and women like the rest of our comrades of color here at unz, though it is arguably in his ethnic interest to do so. He is above that. I respect that a great deal.
That said, I'm still not going to put his convenience above the survival of my own people.This is false. Does the panda in captivity "choose" not to breed? No, they are subjected to conditions of life that make it counter instinctual for them to breed. If you could save them from extinction by finding a new place to live, would you?I have never understood the relevance of this. If only a small fraction marry out each generation, eventually there will be no more Whites, even though the vast majority never wanted this outcome. A group without power to exclude foreigners, or at minimum, prevent interbreeding, is a group that is destined for extinction.Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha
All political ideologies are essentially secular proselytising religions.
I've lived in parts of Australia with large Muslim communities. No Muslim has ever tried to convert me. I have had Christians and greenies try to convert me, and the odd militant atheist. And feminists of course.
The Islamic threat to the West is ludicrously overblown.Replies: @Mr. Rational
Because they can only grow by conversions.
Muslims grow by immigration and welfare-subsidized birth rates. They don’t need to prosyletize.
The only threat to the existence of white people is white people themselves. If white people choose not to breed then the only people who can be blamed for that are - white people.
Is Talha going around trying to stop white people from having children? In fact the impression I've always got from him is that he thinks white people should have more kids.
The people encouraging us not to have kids are the crazy environmentalists and they're overwhelmingly white.
I know you're obsessed with miscegenation but again that is something white people freely choose to do. No-one is forcing them to do so. Inter-racial marriage is not compulsory.Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Rosie
Yet. There are those who would compel it.
Possibly. But the comment to which I was replying made the claim that they were prosyletising. Which from my observations of the Muslims in Australia isn’t really true.
The only ones likely to want to compel it are virtue-signalling white liberals.
Wrong. There is a small but powerful (((tribe))) who would love to force it to make Whites go away.
Not themselves, of course, though they say “hello, fellow White people” a lot. Just the not-(((them))).
The only threat to the existence of white people is white people themselves. If white people choose not to breed then the only people who can be blamed for that are - white people.
Is Talha going around trying to stop white people from having children? In fact the impression I've always got from him is that he thinks white people should have more kids.
The people encouraging us not to have kids are the crazy environmentalists and they're overwhelmingly white.
I know you're obsessed with miscegenation but again that is something white people freely choose to do. No-one is forcing them to do so. Inter-racial marriage is not compulsory.Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Rosie
Talha is a very decent person. I like and respect him. I even trust him.
The reason: He doesn’t attempt to sow division between White men and women like the rest of our comrades of color here at unz, though it is arguably in his ethnic interest to do so. He is above that. I respect that a great deal.
That said, I’m still not going to put his convenience above the survival of my own people.
This is false. Does the panda in captivity “choose” not to breed? No, they are subjected to conditions of life that make it counter instinctual for them to breed. If you could save them from extinction by finding a new place to live, would you?
I have never understood the relevance of this. If only a small fraction marry out each generation, eventually there will be no more Whites, even though the vast majority never wanted this outcome. A group without power to exclude foreigners, or at minimum, prevent interbreeding, is a group that is destined for extinction.
All those things created a society in which white people no longer want children. We created a civilisation with a built-in self-destruct mechanism.
And we exported all those social calamities to the rest of the world. East Asian societies are dying as well due to western influences.
Getting rid of non-whites would not make the slightest difference. It's no use looking for other people to blame. We have chosen our fate. We have embraced a death cult. Western civilisation as it currently exists is not a civilisation, it is an anti-civilisation.Replies: @Rosie, @iffen
Also, I don't see things as a zero-sum game. If God blesses whites, awesome. If He decides to bless them more than He blesses others - no problems. May He bless the rest of the world through their successes.
When the Beloved has made a decision, the true lovers have no recourse except to see it in the best light:
"Say, 'O Allah, Owner of Sovereignty, You give dominion to whom You will and You take dominion away from whom You will. You honor/exalt whom You will and You humble/humiliate whom You will. In Your Hand is [all] good. Indeed, You have Power over everything." (3:26)That's not correct. It is a mathematical game. If white couples have 3 children a piece (not a massive amount at all), then their number just grew in the next generation by 30% (we're taking out elderly deaths and what not here to keep things simple), but if that new generation marries out to other ethnicities at a rate of, say, 10% - it will still mean their pure numbers are still rising.
Peace.Replies: @Rosie
Peace.Replies: @songbird
I don’t know if it is true or not, but the theory I like is that they went in for useless degrees, or sometimes dropped out, and it was there inability to find good jobs that was the key to radicalizing them.
It could be that the average foreign Muslim student is more grounded – I think I heard somewhere that Saudis have to check in with their government (maybe, they check what classes they are taking?) but I think there is a certain amount of subversion baked into the cake, even if you don’t major in sociology or English. They still require that you take some subversive classes, even if you are studying engineering. You are effectively paying the salaries of some of these radicals professors, whether you want to or not.
I’m not saying everyone is a mindless drone, but I think college has a lot of negative effects that aren’t discussed much. Honestly, I’d like to see the system gutted. Conservatively, I think that at least half of the people going shouldn’t be going, and probably more. And some of those people who shouldn’t be going are intelligent people.
As a society, I think we put to much importance in education, and not enough in intelligence or wisdom. Rather, it is like you get punished for recognizing either.
The Blank Slate compels us to treat them as interchangeable. They very obviously are not.
The reason: He doesn't attempt to sow division between White men and women like the rest of our comrades of color here at unz, though it is arguably in his ethnic interest to do so. He is above that. I respect that a great deal.
That said, I'm still not going to put his convenience above the survival of my own people.This is false. Does the panda in captivity "choose" not to breed? No, they are subjected to conditions of life that make it counter instinctual for them to breed. If you could save them from extinction by finding a new place to live, would you?I have never understood the relevance of this. If only a small fraction marry out each generation, eventually there will be no more Whites, even though the vast majority never wanted this outcome. A group without power to exclude foreigners, or at minimum, prevent interbreeding, is a group that is destined for extinction.Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha
Yes, but those conditions of life were created by white people themselves. Industrialisation, the destruction of traditional communities that followed, urbanisation, the abandonment of Christianity, capitalism, consumerism, mass media, social media, the contraceptive pill, the mindless pursuit of money and status and short-term pleasures. We did all those things to ourselves.
All those things created a society in which white people no longer want children. We created a civilisation with a built-in self-destruct mechanism.
And we exported all those social calamities to the rest of the world. East Asian societies are dying as well due to western influences.
Getting rid of non-whites would not make the slightest difference. It’s no use looking for other people to blame. We have chosen our fate. We have embraced a death cult. Western civilisation as it currently exists is not a civilisation, it is an anti-civilisation.
White chauvinist!
Don't you know black people built civilization?
I'm not saying everyone is a mindless drone, but I think college has a lot of negative effects that aren't discussed much. Honestly, I'd like to see the system gutted. Conservatively, I think that at least half of the people going shouldn't be going, and probably more. And some of those people who shouldn't be going are intelligent people.
As a society, I think we put to much importance in education, and not enough in intelligence or wisdom. Rather, it is like you get punished for recognizing either.Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Rational, @Audacious Epigone
I agree, but I’d say that at least 80% should not be there. A society only needs a college education for a very small minority.
All those things created a society in which white people no longer want children. We created a civilisation with a built-in self-destruct mechanism.
And we exported all those social calamities to the rest of the world. East Asian societies are dying as well due to western influences.
Getting rid of non-whites would not make the slightest difference. It's no use looking for other people to blame. We have chosen our fate. We have embraced a death cult. Western civilisation as it currently exists is not a civilisation, it is an anti-civilisation.Replies: @Rosie, @iffen
Everything ultimately turns on the JQ. If you deny the power of Jewish media influence, the you I inevitably come to anti-White conclusions (we deserve all this.)
It's like how Muslims have to take the "L" for the existence of Israel. If we Muslims didn't fight each other and collaborate with outsiders, we wouldn't have the problems with Israel that we currently do. This is a great talk about how Muslims deserved to lose Spain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuaGccY81fg
That doesn't mean you don't do something about it or attempt to change the situation. But recognizing what happened and framing it in the right perspective is the first step in making progress.
Peace.
Once you start to look for scapegoats (the evil Jews, the evil commies, the evil Boomers) you're giving up on any chance of understanding what really happened, and you're giving up on any chance of finding actual solutions. Just as an alcoholic who blames others for the fact that he drinks too much is giving up on any chance of solving his alcohol problem.
Maybe the mass media is evil not because of evil Jews but because mass media is inherently anti-civilisational and destructive. Maybe colleges have become dangerous to civilisation not because of Jews but simply because it's a seriously bad idea to encourage so many people to get college educations that they don't need. Maybe social media is an inherently bad idea. Maybe we need to look carefully at the very nature of the media (both old and new) and academia.
Why are east Asian nations experiencing even more catastrophic demographic collapse than the West? Are the Jews stopping Singaporeans from having babies? Are the Jews stopping South Koreans from having babies?
It looks like capitalism/academia/mass media destroy every culture they infect, regardless of whether there are Jews involved or not.Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Rational
I'm not saying everyone is a mindless drone, but I think college has a lot of negative effects that aren't discussed much. Honestly, I'd like to see the system gutted. Conservatively, I think that at least half of the people going shouldn't be going, and probably more. And some of those people who shouldn't be going are intelligent people.
As a society, I think we put to much importance in education, and not enough in intelligence or wisdom. Rather, it is like you get punished for recognizing either.Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Rational, @Audacious Epigone
Maybe it’s the radical egalitarianism? Everyone can have an equal amount of “education”.
And holy shit, I agree with Rosie!
Both of you suffer from JOBD.
Part of it might be an historical legacy. Progs see the progress that happened as literacy increased, so they really internalize that and think further radical progress can be made.
All those things created a society in which white people no longer want children. We created a civilisation with a built-in self-destruct mechanism.
And we exported all those social calamities to the rest of the world. East Asian societies are dying as well due to western influences.
Getting rid of non-whites would not make the slightest difference. It's no use looking for other people to blame. We have chosen our fate. We have embraced a death cult. Western civilisation as it currently exists is not a civilisation, it is an anti-civilisation.Replies: @Rosie, @iffen
Industrialisation, the destruction of traditional communities that followed, urbanisation, the abandonment of Christianity, capitalism, consumerism, mass media, social media, the contraceptive pill, the mindless pursuit of money and status and short-term pleasures. We did all those things to ourselves.
White chauvinist!
Don’t you know black people built civilization?
And holy shit, I agree with Rosie!
Both of you suffer from JOBD.
The reason: He doesn't attempt to sow division between White men and women like the rest of our comrades of color here at unz, though it is arguably in his ethnic interest to do so. He is above that. I respect that a great deal.
That said, I'm still not going to put his convenience above the survival of my own people.This is false. Does the panda in captivity "choose" not to breed? No, they are subjected to conditions of life that make it counter instinctual for them to breed. If you could save them from extinction by finding a new place to live, would you?I have never understood the relevance of this. If only a small fraction marry out each generation, eventually there will be no more Whites, even though the vast majority never wanted this outcome. A group without power to exclude foreigners, or at minimum, prevent interbreeding, is a group that is destined for extinction.Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha
It is likely because my ethnic interests take a back seat to my spiritual interests. Also, I’m more concerned with patrilineal descent than notions of ethnic purity. If my future bloodline (which is already mixed with whites) is further mixed with whites or Latinos or blacks it is not of huge consequence AS LONG AS they remain Muslim. Those will be my descendants, I will be their ancestor and I will be reaping the rewards (inshaAllah) of those of them that perpetuate the religion and pray on my behalf. That is far, far preferable than that they remain purely of Indo-Pakistani descent and end up non-Muslim because then that spiritual connection between me and them is irreparably broken. Priorities…
Also, I don’t see things as a zero-sum game. If God blesses whites, awesome. If He decides to bless them more than He blesses others – no problems. May He bless the rest of the world through their successes.
When the Beloved has made a decision, the true lovers have no recourse except to see it in the best light:
“Say, ‘O Allah, Owner of Sovereignty, You give dominion to whom You will and You take dominion away from whom You will. You honor/exalt whom You will and You humble/humiliate whom You will. In Your Hand is [all] good. Indeed, You have Power over everything.” (3:26)
That’s not correct. It is a mathematical game. If white couples have 3 children a piece (not a massive amount at all), then their number just grew in the next generation by 30% (we’re taking out elderly deaths and what not here to keep things simple), but if that new generation marries out to other ethnicities at a rate of, say, 10% – it will still mean their pure numbers are still rising.
Peace.
Doom's claim that intermarriage is voluntary rings hollow when you consider that Whites have no freedom of assembly and no freedom of speech.Replies: @Talha, @Rosie, @dfordoom
Also, I don't see things as a zero-sum game. If God blesses whites, awesome. If He decides to bless them more than He blesses others - no problems. May He bless the rest of the world through their successes.
When the Beloved has made a decision, the true lovers have no recourse except to see it in the best light:
"Say, 'O Allah, Owner of Sovereignty, You give dominion to whom You will and You take dominion away from whom You will. You honor/exalt whom You will and You humble/humiliate whom You will. In Your Hand is [all] good. Indeed, You have Power over everything." (3:26)That's not correct. It is a mathematical game. If white couples have 3 children a piece (not a massive amount at all), then their number just grew in the next generation by 30% (we're taking out elderly deaths and what not here to keep things simple), but if that new generation marries out to other ethnicities at a rate of, say, 10% - it will still mean their pure numbers are still rising.
Peace.Replies: @Rosie
But here again, we run into the unavoidable JQ. Whites aren’t even allowed to talk about our future existence, whether and how we wish to secureit, because of the Jewish media and its hellspawn: political correctness.
Doom’s claim that intermarriage is voluntary rings hollow when you consider that Whites have no freedom of assembly and no freedom of speech.
Hell, they even have institutionalized it such that you will lose your job unless to commit yourself to helping kill off white babies:
"The European Court of Human Rights has declined to hear the case of two Swedish nurses denied midwife jobs because of their refusal to perform abortions."
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/european-court-of-human-rights-declines-to-hear-cases-of-pro-life-midwives-44824
Peace.Replies: @Rosie
It is "not racist" to talk about how much better the world will be when there are no more Whites and therefore no more "racism."
It is "racist" to contradict this statement and say, "Whites are a unique group that have contributed a great deal to civilization and therefore have a legitimate right to pursue racial self-preservation."
In this environment, you can't really claim that decisions about how many children to have, and with whom, are "voluntary." The vast majority of people have are conformist. Anti whites know this and take advantage.
That ultimately comes down to the question of white culture also; they built a society that allowed a minority (one of many) to foist their own interests over the interests of the white majority. You have to take the “L” on that one.
It’s like how Muslims have to take the “L” for the existence of Israel. If we Muslims didn’t fight each other and collaborate with outsiders, we wouldn’t have the problems with Israel that we currently do. This is a great talk about how Muslims deserved to lose Spain:
That doesn’t mean you don’t do something about it or attempt to change the situation. But recognizing what happened and framing it in the right perspective is the first step in making progress.
Peace.
Doom's claim that intermarriage is voluntary rings hollow when you consider that Whites have no freedom of assembly and no freedom of speech.Replies: @Talha, @Rosie, @dfordoom
The Visegrad countries are ALL suffering from white population decline and they are massively white. Whites don’t seem to want kids – even in massively white societies. What gives??!!
Hell, they even have institutionalized it such that you will lose your job unless to commit yourself to helping kill off white babies:
“The European Court of Human Rights has declined to hear the case of two Swedish nurses denied midwife jobs because of their refusal to perform abortions.”
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/european-court-of-human-rights-declines-to-hear-cases-of-pro-life-midwives-44824
Peace.
Doom's claim that intermarriage is voluntary rings hollow when you consider that Whites have no freedom of assembly and no freedom of speech.Replies: @Talha, @Rosie, @dfordoom
Where there is no freedom of speech, there is no freedom of thought. Where there is no freedom of thought, there is no freedom of action.
It is “not racist” to talk about how much better the world will be when there are no more Whites and therefore no more “racism.”
It is “racist” to contradict this statement and say, “Whites are a unique group that have contributed a great deal to civilization and therefore have a legitimate right to pursue racial self-preservation.”
In this environment, you can’t really claim that decisions about how many children to have, and with whom, are “voluntary.” The vast majority of people have are conformist. Anti whites know this and take advantage.
Hell, they even have institutionalized it such that you will lose your job unless to commit yourself to helping kill off white babies:
"The European Court of Human Rights has declined to hear the case of two Swedish nurses denied midwife jobs because of their refusal to perform abortions."
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/european-court-of-human-rights-declines-to-hear-cases-of-pro-life-midwives-44824
Peace.Replies: @Rosie
That has to do with economics. Young people are leaving because there are no jobs for them, again because of globalization.
People living in dirt-poor places with a roof barely a foot above their heads get married and have kids.
Unemployment is higher in Muslim countries and they still manage to have kids.
Places like Hungary are giving people massive financial incentives and I’m still waiting for at least one white-super-majority country to turn it around for good – just one.
At my own work, I have had multiple whites report to me. Only one of them was married with a sizeable family (I think four kids), another had just two kids (but was from the Balkans) the rest were earning just fine (IT salaries) to start families, but didn’t seem interested.
Westerners have to take the “L” for that one too, that scheme certainly wasn’t hatched in Cairo or Fez or Isfahan. Just sayin’…
Peace.
(((Westerners)))
Plenty of Whites are traitors. I don’t deny that, but then I don’t know that anyone else would do any better at withstanding the subversive onslaught Whites have suffered over the past fifty years.
They are them, and we are us.
Well, you’re certainly under no obligation to care more about Whites than we care about ourselves.
In our defense, it is very difficult to muster any self-regard after being told for decades that we are the bane of humanity.
Peace.Replies: @Rosie
That's the nature of our culture which we created.Replies: @Rosie
White Americans suffer from too much self-esteem, not too little.Replies: @Rosie
I’d actually go a bit further, and say some kids shouldn’t go to school through the 12th grade, and even for the smarter ones, school should be retooled.
https://slideplayer.com/slide/14413342/90/images/18/Dual+Systems%3A+Sensation+Seeking+%26+Impulse+Control.jpgReplies: @songbird, @dfordoom
(I'd back this up with DNA testing of the illegitimate against the local criminal population. Force the sperm donors to work to pay child support. Work them hard enough and they won't treat jail/prison as a vacation any more.)
If we flunk/expel the academic failures, criminals and chronic behavior problems, the culture of the school will be improved so that the salvageable ones will have a chance to succeed. They have little or no chance today.A thousand times this. There is far, far too much catering to the lowest common denominator in both behavioral standards and teaching methods/curriculum. In public school, the only escape is honors/AP classes and those are not offered everywhere or at all in lower grades.
Yes, I think education really appeals to radical egalitarianism.
Part of it might be an historical legacy. Progs see the progress that happened as literacy increased, so they really internalize that and think further radical progress can be made.
I get that, but it is indicative of a level of fragility which is a major liability in survival of the fittest.
Sure, but I don’t think anyone but whites would have built up a system to allow that onslaught to start in the first place. You gotta take the L on that one. Despite the high IQ, that wasn’t a high IQ move – just sayin’…
Peace.
Peace.Replies: @Rosie
Like so many things, it’s very much a double-edged sword. Provisioning anxiety motivates one to prepare for the future, but then it can also cause one to be overcome with fear about the future. Our lack of religious faith has obviously exacerbated the situation terribly.
Very true.
I call this the AQ, the adolescent question. Adolescence is definitely a real thing, but what to do with them? Formal schooling has diminishing returns after a certain point, and I suspect that your average kid has gotten about as much out of it as they ever will well before 18. But again, what to do with them? They are not yet ready for the responsibilities of adulthood.
I don't think daycare/warehousing, or loading a kid down with homework every night are good goals. Maybe, kids should be given structure, but it should be something else, something with purpose.
And youth have a lot a of abilities that are scorned. Better reaction times. Better health. More plasticity. And, BTW, I really hate lumping all kids together - some are more responsible than most adults, and tests can probably differentiate them.
By the time they're finished school and four years of college most kids are even less capable of making sensible decisions than they were at 16.
OK, so explain to me how the Jews and Jewish media influence were responsible for the Industrial Revolution, for urbanisation, for the growth of capitalism in the 19th century, for the rise of consumerism, for the decline of Christianity? Explain to me how, starting in the late 19th century, Europeans started having way fewer children? These were the roots of the demographic collapse.
Once you start to look for scapegoats (the evil Jews, the evil commies, the evil Boomers) you’re giving up on any chance of understanding what really happened, and you’re giving up on any chance of finding actual solutions. Just as an alcoholic who blames others for the fact that he drinks too much is giving up on any chance of solving his alcohol problem.
Maybe the mass media is evil not because of evil Jews but because mass media is inherently anti-civilisational and destructive. Maybe colleges have become dangerous to civilisation not because of Jews but simply because it’s a seriously bad idea to encourage so many people to get college educations that they don’t need. Maybe social media is an inherently bad idea. Maybe we need to look carefully at the very nature of the media (both old and new) and academia.
Why are east Asian nations experiencing even more catastrophic demographic collapse than the West? Are the Jews stopping Singaporeans from having babies? Are the Jews stopping South Koreans from having babies?
It looks like capitalism/academia/mass media destroy every culture they infect, regardless of whether there are Jews involved or not.
https://slideplayer.com/slide/14413342/90/images/18/Dual+Systems%3A+Sensation+Seeking+%26+Impulse+Control.jpgReplies: @songbird, @dfordoom
I’m not saying every teenager should have their own apartment and car at age 14. My mother had a job, and was out of school, after the 8th grade. She biked to work, and lived at home. That was common in the place that she lived, and it had less social problems than it does today.
I don’t think daycare/warehousing, or loading a kid down with homework every night are good goals. Maybe, kids should be given structure, but it should be something else, something with purpose.
And youth have a lot a of abilities that are scorned. Better reaction times. Better health. More plasticity. And, BTW, I really hate lumping all kids together – some are more responsible than most adults, and tests can probably differentiate them.
Doom's claim that intermarriage is voluntary rings hollow when you consider that Whites have no freedom of assembly and no freedom of speech.Replies: @Talha, @Rosie, @dfordoom
OK, give me some examples of white people being forced to marry non-whites. If you can’t then I’d say it’s a safe bet that it’s happening voluntarily.
I’ve known a number of white converts that both converted and married into some immigrant people in the Muslim community. Obviously I’m one example and I also have two female cousins (one of them is dark-skinned, but the other one could easily pass for a light-skinned Latina) that married white men. Oh – and another cousin (a anesthesiologist) who married a white lady who had a son from a previous relationship – this lady didn’t convert (to my knowledge). Nobody forced anything. These white men were looking for wives to settle down and have kids with, the lady was looking for a reliable husband to care for her and her kid. No idea who or how many whites they tried with before they met my cousins and converted, but those obviously didn’t work out. The question is why – with so many whites around? And many of these were before the whole woke era of pushing advertisements of inter-racial couples.
Peace.
But isn’t that the problem? Whites don’t care about white people. They care about themselves. They care about their own (very small) families. They don’t care about anything beyond that, and they don’t care about the future. The ones who claim to care are just virtue-signalling. It’s all about me.
That’s the nature of our culture which we created.
Yes, I’d be inclined to agree with that.
That's the nature of our culture which we created.Replies: @Rosie
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html
If you think people who are brainwashed from infancy to hate their own people in an all-pervasive media and education matrix are doing this “voluntarily,” then you have a different conception of free will than I do.
Once you start to look for scapegoats (the evil Jews, the evil commies, the evil Boomers) you're giving up on any chance of understanding what really happened, and you're giving up on any chance of finding actual solutions. Just as an alcoholic who blames others for the fact that he drinks too much is giving up on any chance of solving his alcohol problem.
Maybe the mass media is evil not because of evil Jews but because mass media is inherently anti-civilisational and destructive. Maybe colleges have become dangerous to civilisation not because of Jews but simply because it's a seriously bad idea to encourage so many people to get college educations that they don't need. Maybe social media is an inherently bad idea. Maybe we need to look carefully at the very nature of the media (both old and new) and academia.
Why are east Asian nations experiencing even more catastrophic demographic collapse than the West? Are the Jews stopping Singaporeans from having babies? Are the Jews stopping South Koreans from having babies?
It looks like capitalism/academia/mass media destroy every culture they infect, regardless of whether there are Jews involved or not.Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Rational
We did find actual solutions. Well, someone did, but I think schoolmarm prefers his name not be mentioned.
What specific "actual solutions" initiated by he-who-shall-not-be-named do you find to be viable and could legitimately pitch to a reasonable number of whites? A list of 4-5 would be nice, if you don't mind. And, as I mention to others, think specifically about which ideas you could pitch and would have reception among those whites closest to you; family, friends, neighbors, church fellows, co-workers, etc. because if you can't convince those people that you know and who trust you the most, well then it's highly unlikely you will have much luck outside that group.
Peace.Replies: @Rosie
https://slideplayer.com/slide/14413342/90/images/18/Dual+Systems%3A+Sensation+Seeking+%26+Impulse+Control.jpgReplies: @songbird, @dfordoom
Maybe it’s school that makes them not yet ready for the responsibilities of adulthood? Maybe we should think about encouraging kids at 16 or so to start taking on some of those adult responsibilities? Like getting a job. Maybe even getting married (with parental consent of course).
By the time they’re finished school and four years of college most kids are even less capable of making sensible decisions than they were at 16.
Forget names (they get in the way)…let’s talk brass tacks here.
What specific “actual solutions” initiated by he-who-shall-not-be-named do you find to be viable and could legitimately pitch to a reasonable number of whites? A list of 4-5 would be nice, if you don’t mind. And, as I mention to others, think specifically about which ideas you could pitch and would have reception among those whites closest to you; family, friends, neighbors, church fellows, co-workers, etc. because if you can’t convince those people that you know and who trust you the most, well then it’s highly unlikely you will have much luck outside that group.
Peace.
What specific "actual solutions" initiated by he-who-shall-not-be-named do you find to be viable and could legitimately pitch to a reasonable number of whites? A list of 4-5 would be nice, if you don't mind. And, as I mention to others, think specifically about which ideas you could pitch and would have reception among those whites closest to you; family, friends, neighbors, church fellows, co-workers, etc. because if you can't convince those people that you know and who trust you the most, well then it's highly unlikely you will have much luck outside that group.
Peace.Replies: @Rosie
Very simple: The idea that the state is the political expression of a particular people and ought to be run for their benefit, to include media, government, education, and economy. It’s kind of like Zionism, only for White people.
The majority of Whites already agree with this. Doom is correct that the Jews had nothing to do with industrialization and urbanization. He is also correct that these things tend to depress birthrates. Pride and solidarity must replace economic necessity for children if a nation is to have a future.
Of there’s anything we’re not going to be able to pitch to White people, it’s a return to subsistence farming, ot whatever it is Doom thinks we ought to do.
We can't undo the rise of capitalism but we don't need to allow capitalism to tear the guys out of or civilisation. Capitalism needs to be controlled. That will require some head-kicking and a certain amount of (gasp!) socialism. We can't get rid of mass media but we don't need to allow it to pump raw sewage into our living rooms. We can get rid of most of the unnecessary higher education by starving it.
We can't make everyone love everyone else but we don't need to encourage racial hatreds.
We can't undo the Sexual Revolution but maybe some of its excesses could be dealt with. We don't need to encourage slut culture, gay bath-houses, men in frocks using the ladies room and Drag Queen Story Hour.
Our civilisation doesn't have to be as shallow and as squalid and as alienating as it is.
But we can't accomplish these changes by trying to evade responsibility and blaming it all on Jews/commies/Boomers/whatever.
Trump has done none of the things that needed to be done so perhaps we should also stop believing in blowhard clowns of that type.Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie
In our defense, it is very difficult to muster any self-regard after being told for decades that we are the bane of humanity.
Suck it up, you poor pitiful Pearl.
“We” built it, we broke it, we own it.
Stop being like all the loser races and ethnic groups in the world who spend their existence looking for someone to blame.
Plenty of Whites are traitors.
Dimwittedness like this hurts your “cause.” People don’t like being called traitors, and in point of fact, must have allegiance and then withdraw that allegiance before they are traitors.
Own it. Face up to it. Learn from the mistakes. Make a plan to move forward.
Peace.
No, I don’t think we can go backwards. We can’t undo our mistakes. What we need to do is to find ways of neutralising those mistakes. Compensating for them. Urbanisation can’t be undone but cities don’t necessarily have to be cesspits. And since we have the technology to allow many people to work from home (which they’re going to have to do due to the coronavirus panic) perhaps we don’t need to be quite so urbanised.
We can’t undo the rise of capitalism but we don’t need to allow capitalism to tear the guys out of or civilisation. Capitalism needs to be controlled. That will require some head-kicking and a certain amount of (gasp!) socialism. We can’t get rid of mass media but we don’t need to allow it to pump raw sewage into our living rooms. We can get rid of most of the unnecessary higher education by starving it.
We can’t make everyone love everyone else but we don’t need to encourage racial hatreds.
We can’t undo the Sexual Revolution but maybe some of its excesses could be dealt with. We don’t need to encourage slut culture, gay bath-houses, men in frocks using the ladies room and Drag Queen Story Hour.
Our civilisation doesn’t have to be as shallow and as squalid and as alienating as it is.
But we can’t accomplish these changes by trying to evade responsibility and blaming it all on Jews/commies/Boomers/whatever.
Trump has done none of the things that needed to be done so perhaps we should also stop believing in blowhard clowns of that type.
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/lgbtq-institute-in-germany-was-burned-down-by-nazis
The American media and education system spent decades telling Americans they were the most awesome people who ever walked the Earth, the champions of the Free World, the Greatest Nation on Earth, and Americans still believe it. They still think their political and economic systems and their culture should be imposed on the entire globe (with bombs if necessary). Perhaps that’s the problem. Perhaps Americans should start thinking about their country as just another country.
White Americans suffer from too much self-esteem, not too little.
Ok that makes sense, thanks for the clarification. That one line actually might work as a concise pitch to whites.
Peace.
We can't undo the rise of capitalism but we don't need to allow capitalism to tear the guys out of or civilisation. Capitalism needs to be controlled. That will require some head-kicking and a certain amount of (gasp!) socialism. We can't get rid of mass media but we don't need to allow it to pump raw sewage into our living rooms. We can get rid of most of the unnecessary higher education by starving it.
We can't make everyone love everyone else but we don't need to encourage racial hatreds.
We can't undo the Sexual Revolution but maybe some of its excesses could be dealt with. We don't need to encourage slut culture, gay bath-houses, men in frocks using the ladies room and Drag Queen Story Hour.
Our civilisation doesn't have to be as shallow and as squalid and as alienating as it is.
But we can't accomplish these changes by trying to evade responsibility and blaming it all on Jews/commies/Boomers/whatever.
Trump has done none of the things that needed to be done so perhaps we should also stop believing in blowhard clowns of that type.Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie
I think you’ve got it exactly backwards. We cannot accomplish these changes unless and until we deal with Jewish power.
White Americans suffer from too much self-esteem, not too little.Replies: @Rosie
That would be the warmongering right foot. The left foot tells us how evil we are.
We can't undo the rise of capitalism but we don't need to allow capitalism to tear the guys out of or civilisation. Capitalism needs to be controlled. That will require some head-kicking and a certain amount of (gasp!) socialism. We can't get rid of mass media but we don't need to allow it to pump raw sewage into our living rooms. We can get rid of most of the unnecessary higher education by starving it.
We can't make everyone love everyone else but we don't need to encourage racial hatreds.
We can't undo the Sexual Revolution but maybe some of its excesses could be dealt with. We don't need to encourage slut culture, gay bath-houses, men in frocks using the ladies room and Drag Queen Story Hour.
Our civilisation doesn't have to be as shallow and as squalid and as alienating as it is.
But we can't accomplish these changes by trying to evade responsibility and blaming it all on Jews/commies/Boomers/whatever.
Trump has done none of the things that needed to be done so perhaps we should also stop believing in blowhard clowns of that type.Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie
Doom, you sound like a regular nazi!
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/lgbtq-institute-in-germany-was-burned-down-by-nazis
Many should be flunked out after the 6th grade, if not before. We waste enormous amounts of money trying to “educate” hood rats, among others. We need to change our tune from “precious future” to “shape up or get thrown on the trash heap”. Then we need to back this up with measures like paying bounties for the ones captured or killed in the act of a crime, and fining and jailing parents for contributing to delinquency.
(I’d back this up with DNA testing of the illegitimate against the local criminal population. Force the sperm donors to work to pay child support. Work them hard enough and they won’t treat jail/prison as a vacation any more.)
If we flunk/expel the academic failures, criminals and chronic behavior problems, the culture of the school will be improved so that the salvageable ones will have a chance to succeed. They have little or no chance today.
A thousand times this. There is far, far too much catering to the lowest common denominator in both behavioral standards and teaching methods/curriculum. In public school, the only escape is honors/AP classes and those are not offered everywhere or at all in lower grades.
Once you start to look for scapegoats (the evil Jews, the evil commies, the evil Boomers) you're giving up on any chance of understanding what really happened, and you're giving up on any chance of finding actual solutions. Just as an alcoholic who blames others for the fact that he drinks too much is giving up on any chance of solving his alcohol problem.
Maybe the mass media is evil not because of evil Jews but because mass media is inherently anti-civilisational and destructive. Maybe colleges have become dangerous to civilisation not because of Jews but simply because it's a seriously bad idea to encourage so many people to get college educations that they don't need. Maybe social media is an inherently bad idea. Maybe we need to look carefully at the very nature of the media (both old and new) and academia.
Why are east Asian nations experiencing even more catastrophic demographic collapse than the West? Are the Jews stopping Singaporeans from having babies? Are the Jews stopping South Koreans from having babies?
It looks like capitalism/academia/mass media destroy every culture they infect, regardless of whether there are Jews involved or not.Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Rational
You don’t have to look any further than urbanization. Cities have long been population sinks, and when they pull in the brightest they become “IQ shredders” as well.
The combination of urbanisation and consumerism leads to civilisational collapse.
Everyone hates whiners, even whiners hate whiners. I keep telling this to any SJW-type Muslim who blames everyone else for the problems in the Muslim world.
Own it. Face up to it. Learn from the mistakes. Make a plan to move forward.
Peace.
I agree that urbanisation is probably the single biggest factor behind demographic collapse. In fact it’s possibly the biggest single factor behind most of the social problems we’re facing.
The combination of urbanisation and consumerism leads to civilisational collapse.
This is a silly argument. It rules out, a priori, any possiblity that Whites can ever have a legitimate grievance against any other group, whatever the merits of the case may be.
Look at it this way, Rosie, being white can't be the foundation for a house--it can only be a window.
No it does not. I am quite resentful of the “bad press” that whites are getting these days, and I don’t have any trouble noting that blacks and Jews are over-represented in the SJW outrage mobs.
Look at it this way, Rosie, being white can’t be the foundation for a house–it can only be a window.
I'm not saying everyone is a mindless drone, but I think college has a lot of negative effects that aren't discussed much. Honestly, I'd like to see the system gutted. Conservatively, I think that at least half of the people going shouldn't be going, and probably more. And some of those people who shouldn't be going are intelligent people.
As a society, I think we put to much importance in education, and not enough in intelligence or wisdom. Rather, it is like you get punished for recognizing either.Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Rational, @Audacious Epigone
As a society, I think we put to much importance in education, and not enough in intelligence or wisdom.
The Blank Slate compels us to treat them as interchangeable. They very obviously are not.
There aren’t many jobs in sub-Saharan Africa and I don’t know how much the average Nigerian thinks about Nigerian posterity in an ethnic or national sense, yet they have lots of children.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/zim-to-give-back-farms-taken-under-land-reform-programme/ar-BB112nfB
Zimbabwe offers farms back to expropriated White farmers:
https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/zim-to-give-back-farms-taken-under-land-reform-programme/ar-BB112nfB