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The percentages of non-Hispanic whites, by political orientation, who think it is “not very likely” that whites suffer negative consequences like lost job opportunities from affirmative action policies:

Twenty years ago, only one-in-three whites across the political spectrum deemed it unlikely for whites to pay a price for affirmative action policies aimed at benefiting non-whites. The sentiments of white moderates and white conservatives haven’t changed much in the intervening decades, but those of white liberals have shifted dramatically. This meshes with other characteristics of The Great Awokening, but the shift preceded it. The (hope and) change really got going with president Obama’s election.

Magnanimously, perhaps the thinking is that while individual whites may suffer from being passed over in favor of less qualified non-whites for jobs or promotions, the end result is a society in which systemic oppression of racially-informed old boy networks has been dismantled and everyone is ultimately better off. But for this to be realized, companies and institutions must currently be making irrational hiring and promotional decisions that hurt the bottom line. So much for profits-before-people.

Parenthetically, my read is that companies and institutions are increasingly making irrational hiring and promotional decisions that hurt the bottom line, but the errors are directionally the same as the ones that affirmative action policies facilitate, and that the decisions those errors result from do not need de jure support to have their de facto effects.

GSS variables used: DISCAFF(3), YEAR, POLVIEWS(1-3)(4)(5-7), RACECEN1(1), HISPANIC(1)

 
• Category: Ideology, Race/Ethnicity • Tags: Affirmative action, GSS 
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  1. I have a more cynical explanation: liberal whites are pretty sure that the right kind of whites won’t be adversely affected, and those are the only whites that matter to them. The rest might as well not exist.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    @Michael S

    Multiple studies from ANES to VOTER survey show white liberals strongly prefer the out group to the in group.

    , @dfordoom
    @Michael S


    I have a more cynical explanation: liberal whites are pretty sure that the right kind of whites won’t be adversely affected, and those are the only whites that matter to them. The rest might as well not exist.
     
    Absolutely correct.

    The idea that whites hate themselves needs to be exploded. Whites do not hate themselves. They hate other whites.

    The idea that whites need to learn how to hate also needs to be exploded. Whites are very good at hating. They always have been. If you doubt that, take a quick glance at history.
  2. “not likely that whites suffer” is a bit of an intellectual tongue twister. ” Likely that whites will just be the same and unaffected” would be without that double negation.

    The effect shown in the graphic could be explained by decades of PC mis-information and brainwashing, transposing the true believer woke leftist into a totally unrealistic non-existant dream world.

    This institutionalized misinformation & brainwashing must be pointed out, attacked, abolished, and inverted. Repression of #TrueSpeech to avoid #AccuratePrejudice is the one and only topic of our sincerity .net site: It is the foundation of all political mistakes that are based on corrupted misinformed false social science. `
    http://4racism.org/site-map.html has various articles about affirmative action’s deadly problems with incompetent fire fighters and medics, and argues that the underlying racism taboo and egalitarian dogma need to be abolished.

  3. So you assume that whites are naturally more competent than minorities?

    • Replies: @orionyx
    @Henry Ramone

    You might as well ask if we can assume that apples are higher than Velcro. Your question as it stands, with its undefined terms, is ridonculous.

  4. 4racism.org/site-map.html has various articles about affirmative action’s deadly problems with incompetent fire fighters and medics, and argues that the underlying racism taboo and egalitarian dogma need to be abolished.
    Such dangerous failures of affirmative action, of course, must not be published because the contradict the official institutionalized #PCGagOrder: “Never speak negatively about ‘minorities’ to avoid ‘prejudices’”. Remember the scandal when a blooper video was published about incompetent affirmative action Fire-women not being able to handle ladders, fire hoses, or kicking in doors? By the way, anyone has that video to pass to me?

  5. Nothing like a good press. this is an old song — AffAct benefits more than any other demographic by color. And those numbers include white Hispanics which if one goes by polling data, hispanics prefer being noted as whites — for obvious reasons.

    Though, on has to admit the despite the numbers those that think it is damaging to whites have a better press corps.

  6. My simple explanation is the current-day “Liberals”, or let me say more accurately, the left, are just great liars. In this instance, the lie might be to themselves even, but they think it more important to not be thought of as a racist than to be honest.

    Even though she thankfully has did not get elected President, the Hildabeast may have been the one to let the “woke” know “it’s OK to lie”, and in fact easy, more than the Øb☭ma. She would lie about the weather, just because it’s who she is.

  7. @Michael S
    I have a more cynical explanation: liberal whites are pretty sure that the right kind of whites won't be adversely affected, and those are the only whites that matter to them. The rest might as well not exist.

    Replies: @Oblivionrecurs, @dfordoom

    Multiple studies from ANES to VOTER survey show white liberals strongly prefer the out group to the in group.

  8. “Even though she thankfully has did not get elected President, the Hildabeast may have been the one to let the “woke” know “it’s OK to lie”, and in fact easy, more than the Øb☭ma. She would lie about the weather, just because it’s who she is”

    It would nice if one could pin point the start of permission to lie. But as the practice has no particular party affiliation, it’s a very tough call. But on the issues regarding the new social models, I think the start is the research of Dr. Kinsey, the devastating impact on psychiatry as a science leaning organization by the violence and consequence of the same of reclassification of behaviors . The growth and misuse of phenomenological models which are indeed useful tools for interpersoonal and intrapersonal perspectives, hardly as much for social change on the large scale or political policy making.

    But then on has to examine the work of Evolution and its tributaries, which requires a mountain of speculative hole and gap filling to make sense.

    The question is always is the lie deliberate or not a lie but a “simple honest mistake”.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @EliteCommInc.


    It would nice if one could pin point the start of permission to lie.
     
    It started with the development of representative democracy. About fifteen minutes after representative democracy was invented politicians figured out that the key to success was lying.

    The development of mass-circulation newspapers in the 19th century was another factor. Journalism is and always has been creative lying.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @EliteCommInc.

    With the Hildabeast, and her better half (haha) to some degree, lying is just so natural that they do it even for no gain whatsoever. Lots of the left just reckoned "I'm with her--->".

    The lying to oneself, to address your last sentence, could be either way. It may start off as honest mistakes, but what about when one keeps running into the truth. Does is become deliberate then?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  9. @Michael S
    I have a more cynical explanation: liberal whites are pretty sure that the right kind of whites won't be adversely affected, and those are the only whites that matter to them. The rest might as well not exist.

    Replies: @Oblivionrecurs, @dfordoom

    I have a more cynical explanation: liberal whites are pretty sure that the right kind of whites won’t be adversely affected, and those are the only whites that matter to them. The rest might as well not exist.

    Absolutely correct.

    The idea that whites hate themselves needs to be exploded. Whites do not hate themselves. They hate other whites.

    The idea that whites need to learn how to hate also needs to be exploded. Whites are very good at hating. They always have been. If you doubt that, take a quick glance at history.

  10. @EliteCommInc.
    "Even though she thankfully has did not get elected President, the Hildabeast may have been the one to let the “woke” know “it’s OK to lie”, and in fact easy, more than the Øb☭ma. She would lie about the weather, just because it’s who she is"


    It would nice if one could pin point the start of permission to lie. But as the practice has no particular party affiliation, it's a very tough call. But on the issues regarding the new social models, I think the start is the research of Dr. Kinsey, the devastating impact on psychiatry as a science leaning organization by the violence and consequence of the same of reclassification of behaviors . The growth and misuse of phenomenological models which are indeed useful tools for interpersoonal and intrapersonal perspectives, hardly as much for social change on the large scale or political policy making.

    But then on has to examine the work of Evolution and its tributaries, which requires a mountain of speculative hole and gap filling to make sense.

    The question is always is the lie deliberate or not a lie but a "simple honest mistake".

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Achmed E. Newman

    It would nice if one could pin point the start of permission to lie.

    It started with the development of representative democracy. About fifteen minutes after representative democracy was invented politicians figured out that the key to success was lying.

    The development of mass-circulation newspapers in the 19th century was another factor. Journalism is and always has been creative lying.

  11. @Henry Ramone
    So you assume that whites are naturally more competent than minorities?

    Replies: @orionyx

    You might as well ask if we can assume that apples are higher than Velcro. Your question as it stands, with its undefined terms, is ridonculous.

  12. My Daughter now 40 years old had a tough time in school but fought for good grades, staying up until late mornings studying and doing home work,then going to school, n 1990nshe applied for several slots and for grants etc but was frozen out at our State College, because she was not Black. She is a minority mostly Native American but no card.
    As a result, being poor she went to school when we could give her the money and on what she earned.
    We/she could not qualify for grants etc because we made too much money. Ten years for 4 years of college credits. The last couple of years she did get some grants. But time and opportunity were taken away from her and she took retail jobs. The least one she was the only full tiem Employee but there new apart time manger, made her work closing and clean up til wee hours of the morning then come in the next morning early. Of course she got off early sometimes that shift and came in late the next day but only sometimes. The manager wanted someone younger and prettier and he was trying to make it so hard she would quit. As a result she was tired and on the way to work wrecked totaling the car and inuring herself severely. She worked on for a while but she was so destroyed she had to quit.
    She is now unemployed and her days revolve around making applications for jobs.
    And it all goes back to being frozen out of slots for desired fields,and state and federal employment opportunities and grants for college because shewasn’t black

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Casca

    Your sad story shows that AA has has done damage to many American families, men's careers, and finances. This anecdote below is nothing near as tragic, and has a good ending, but still shows the utter stupidity of this project of hatred of the white man (from a comment of mine under an iSteve post):

    In 1978 someone I know well was turned down for a great DJ position at a Country Music radio station due to the boss having to hire a black guy to please the FCC. This stuff has been going on a LONG TIME. You can definitely blame the Boomer generation for being complacent about it and not fighting it enough. However, they’d had the same BS on them too, albeit not the ludicrously stupid woke berating that one hears now.

    .

    .

    Oh, the black guy lasted only through the summer, and the boss hired the white guy after that, who was so loyal to the place that he quit cussing for life, just so he wouldn’t make a mistake on the air. He and that boss from over 40 years back have been friends ever since. No, that wasn’t me! (Can you tell?)

  13. It certainly hurt a Native American when Elizabeth Warren took their lucrative AA spot at Harvard by claiming to be Cherokee.
    I guess AA is okay for those who know how/are dishonest enough to game the system.

  14. Liberals have Perverted the Truth to gain Power, Then under Obama, weaponized the Federal Institutions against half of Americas population to keep power.Obama is guilty of Treason.

  15. @EliteCommInc.
    "Even though she thankfully has did not get elected President, the Hildabeast may have been the one to let the “woke” know “it’s OK to lie”, and in fact easy, more than the Øb☭ma. She would lie about the weather, just because it’s who she is"


    It would nice if one could pin point the start of permission to lie. But as the practice has no particular party affiliation, it's a very tough call. But on the issues regarding the new social models, I think the start is the research of Dr. Kinsey, the devastating impact on psychiatry as a science leaning organization by the violence and consequence of the same of reclassification of behaviors . The growth and misuse of phenomenological models which are indeed useful tools for interpersoonal and intrapersonal perspectives, hardly as much for social change on the large scale or political policy making.

    But then on has to examine the work of Evolution and its tributaries, which requires a mountain of speculative hole and gap filling to make sense.

    The question is always is the lie deliberate or not a lie but a "simple honest mistake".

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Achmed E. Newman

    With the Hildabeast, and her better half (haha) to some degree, lying is just so natural that they do it even for no gain whatsoever. Lots of the left just reckoned “I’m with her—>”.

    The lying to oneself, to address your last sentence, could be either way. It may start off as honest mistakes, but what about when one keeps running into the truth. Does is become deliberate then?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The idea of an intellectual sunk fallacy cost is one ripe for exploration and expounding.

  16. @Casca
    My Daughter now 40 years old had a tough time in school but fought for good grades, staying up until late mornings studying and doing home work,then going to school, n 1990nshe applied for several slots and for grants etc but was frozen out at our State College, because she was not Black. She is a minority mostly Native American but no card.
    As a result, being poor she went to school when we could give her the money and on what she earned.
    We/she could not qualify for grants etc because we made too much money. Ten years for 4 years of college credits. The last couple of years she did get some grants. But time and opportunity were taken away from her and she took retail jobs. The least one she was the only full tiem Employee but there new apart time manger, made her work closing and clean up til wee hours of the morning then come in the next morning early. Of course she got off early sometimes that shift and came in late the next day but only sometimes. The manager wanted someone younger and prettier and he was trying to make it so hard she would quit. As a result she was tired and on the way to work wrecked totaling the car and inuring herself severely. She worked on for a while but she was so destroyed she had to quit.
    She is now unemployed and her days revolve around making applications for jobs.
    And it all goes back to being frozen out of slots for desired fields,and state and federal employment opportunities and grants for college because shewasn't black

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Your sad story shows that AA has has done damage to many American families, men’s careers, and finances. This anecdote below is nothing near as tragic, and has a good ending, but still shows the utter stupidity of this project of hatred of the white man (from a comment of mine under an iSteve post):

    In 1978 someone I know well was turned down for a great DJ position at a Country Music radio station due to the boss having to hire a black guy to please the FCC. This stuff has been going on a LONG TIME. You can definitely blame the Boomer generation for being complacent about it and not fighting it enough. However, they’d had the same BS on them too, albeit not the ludicrously stupid woke berating that one hears now.

    .

    .

    Oh, the black guy lasted only through the summer, and the boss hired the white guy after that, who was so loyal to the place that he quit cussing for life, just so he wouldn’t make a mistake on the air. He and that boss from over 40 years back have been friends ever since. No, that wasn’t me! (Can you tell?)

  17. @Achmed E. Newman
    @EliteCommInc.

    With the Hildabeast, and her better half (haha) to some degree, lying is just so natural that they do it even for no gain whatsoever. Lots of the left just reckoned "I'm with her--->".

    The lying to oneself, to address your last sentence, could be either way. It may start off as honest mistakes, but what about when one keeps running into the truth. Does is become deliberate then?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    The idea of an intellectual sunk fallacy cost is one ripe for exploration and expounding.

  18. DrC says:

    With respect to the jobs question in particular, I do think most on the right exaggerate the effects of affirmative action. In the private sector at least, even the WokeCapital virtue signalling mega corps are not actually doing a lot to move the needle on minority hiring. They just want to present themselves to Woke Americans as if they are. Private sector hiring and compensation is still fair and based on qualifications. It’s just that these firms now waste some money trying to attract minority talent and even more money signalling to the country that they value minority talent.

    Public sector jobs and wider societal level damage due to affirmative action are different issues.

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