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According to the GSS, blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery than members of other races are. Asians, in contrast, are less likely than members of other races to both commit and to condemn adultery.

At first blush, these results may seem contradictory, but that’s not the right way to think about it. Beliefs and behaviors are not the same thing. Wency explains:

Hypocrisy in sexual ethics (or in behaviors relating to any particular form of temptation) is not an indication that someone is lying about their values, just that humans are fallible and that resisting temptation is hard.

I could also ask, “Is it ever a good idea to eat an entire sleeve of Oreos at once?” and would probably get mostly negative responses, even though almost everyone has done this or something similarly foolish at least once in their lives, and will probably do so again.

People differ in their capabilities to resist being led into temptation and in their abilities to be delivered from evil. The following graph shows the percentages of people who have committed adultery and yet maintain adultery is “always wrong”:

Even among cheaters, the consensus is that cheating is wrong. The only significant deviation from that line of thinking is among lavenders, where open marital relationships are common.

GSS variables used: XMARSEX(1)(2-4), EVSTRAY(1), RACECEN1(1)(2)(3-15), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), SEX, SEXORNT(1-2)(3), PARTYID(0-1)(2-4)(5-6)

 
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  1. blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery than members of other races are. Asians, in contrast, are less likely than members of other races to both commit and to condemn adultery.

    Perhaps high levels of adultery among blacks (and the consequent and widespread suffering among them) lead them to condemn it more vehemently, just as the scarcity of it (and lack of experience with it) among Asians causes them not to be so.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Twinkie

    What about blacks being more religious on average— particularly Christian— than Asians? Granted, that while the religion of most American blacks is infected with the cheap grace of Protestantism, which makes a mockery of a serious moral life, among most blacks there’s still an acknowledgment of the fundamental moral absolutes of the Ten Commandments.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, I think this is it. If instead of stating


    "blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery "
     
    it is stated as

    "blacks are both more likely to have experienced adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery"

    it seems more self-evident and less contradictory.

    I suspect a similar pattern could be found with other things. In my experience, blacks are much more condemnatory of crime than whites, precisely because they have more personal experience with it. In surveys this is somewhat muted by the decades of media prostylization to blacks that police and imprisonment is just a racist conspiracy against them. But on a personal level, blacks are much more likely to advocate (and execute) vigorous self defense and punishment of transgressors.

    Similarly, I've written before that I've found Arabs and Muslims (at least the ones who themselves are not terrorists or enablers) are much more intolerant of terrorists than mainstream whites, precisely because they know better just who they are up against. Again, this is not necessarily obvious in surveys as they are usually worded to lump Arabs together and Muslims together against whites and Christians, thereby hiding strong intragroup differences in favor of the approved identity group hostilities that the media want to promote.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @UK, @Anon

    , @West Reanimator
    @Twinkie

    I have had the same thought about blacks and homophobia, as well.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  2. Self-righteousness (or even prudery) and degeneracy are a common combo, there must be a name that psychologists give to this phenomenon. The most ridiculous instance of this was ISIS getting mad over male gynecologists in Syria, while committing grotesque acts of sexual violence on a daily basis.

  3. I could also ask, “Is it ever a good idea to eat an entire sleeve of Oreos at once?” and would probably get mostly negative responses ….

    Not if they are mint doublestuff.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    My Dad told me that in his younger years he drank a big jar of pickle juice (whether on a dare or not I don't know). He thought that messed up his digestion somewhat in the long run. Mint double-stuff Oreos are perfectly safe, though you don't want to call a black dude that at the Adam & Steve's gay bar....

    .

    .

    ... you know, black on the outside, green (heterosexual per A.E.'s bar graph) on the inside.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  4. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery than members of other races are. Asians, in contrast, are less likely than members of other races to both commit and to condemn adultery.
     
    Perhaps high levels of adultery among blacks (and the consequent and widespread suffering among them) lead them to condemn it more vehemently, just as the scarcity of it (and lack of experience with it) among Asians causes them not to be so.

    Replies: @Anon, @Almost Missouri, @West Reanimator

    What about blacks being more religious on average— particularly Christian— than Asians? Granted, that while the religion of most American blacks is infected with the cheap grace of Protestantism, which makes a mockery of a serious moral life, among most blacks there’s still an acknowledgment of the fundamental moral absolutes of the Ten Commandments.

  5. I wonder how the same chart would look, if it were the marshmallow experiment, but maybe, it doesn’t work with adults, only with kids? But there must be some kind of simple experiment that would work with adults.

    • Replies: @res
    @songbird

    The Marshmallow Test for Grownups
    https://hbr.org/2014/09/the-marshmallow-test-for-grownups


    As adults we face a version of the marshmallow test nearly every waking minute of every day. We’re not tempted by sugary treats, but by our browser tabs, phones, tablets, and (soon) our watches—all the devices that connect us to the global delivery system for those blips of information that do to us what marshmallows do to preschoolers.
     

    Replies: @songbird

  6. @songbird
    I wonder how the same chart would look, if it were the marshmallow experiment, but maybe, it doesn't work with adults, only with kids? But there must be some kind of simple experiment that would work with adults.

    Replies: @res

    The Marshmallow Test for Grownups
    https://hbr.org/2014/09/the-marshmallow-test-for-grownups

    As adults we face a version of the marshmallow test nearly every waking minute of every day. We’re not tempted by sugary treats, but by our browser tabs, phones, tablets, and (soon) our watches—all the devices that connect us to the global delivery system for those blips of information that do to us what marshmallows do to preschoolers.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @res

    Doesn't seem like a technical test, but rather an observation of how modern technology hits the reward centers. I guess its true, but I'm not sure how well it could be structured into a measurement. I suppose you could reward someone with phone time, or whatever their favorite electronic time-sink is, but then there is the expectation that being in a study, that would take them away from their daily distractions and they would have to volunteer for that, so that would probably create a distortion.

    It is pretty scary how people are becoming addicted to technology, even children. I've seen some that watch those de-boxing videos of toys - I find it kind of disturbing. Then there are those free-to-play games that are designed to activate the reward centers of the brain - I'd ban them, if I were a benevolent dictator.

  7. Here’s a thought, maybe blacks are more inclined to be honest about life’s realities regarding struggle. I think there is a disconnect between an realistic assessment verses what one might consider a private matter. I have never met a black who took my celibacy seriously — not seriously. There are very few lock assessments to be made about blacks, but on the issue of relations, they tend to be less circumspect about where people are in real life. It’s always disappointing for me, this kind of on demand skepticism, subtle o not.

    I was light years in disagreement about the Miss Lewinski issue than any black I knew. In my mind it seemed dubious and I found myself looked at askance by blacks I discussed the matter with — they thought my naivete’ was counter-intuitive to reality. Maybe blacks simply can’ afford the luxury of some ideals as sitting on bottom rung in so many ways and considered suspect by virtue of being black in the first place. I don’t think it more hypocrisy here or or even more relations out of wedlock — it’s probably a matter of more openness — even truthfulness.

    I have said more on this matter than I care to. But adultery is a very an its meaning are very dicey issues. Especially for people of faith when the lines of demarcation of what adultery means is far broader than for most people. It matters not a twiddle — crossing tat line line is crossing that line. But I am going to reject the “blacks” are bigger hypocrites than whites on its face. The nature of human relationships leaves the heart exposed to its own justifications — problem for the believer is that scripture never condones such behavior actual action or not.

    Crossing that line does not mean gymnastic in bed.

    I have never been to an Asian country that did not openly have brothels. So I am a little dubious about whether what the surveys indicate is face saving.

  8. @The Alarmist

    I could also ask, “Is it ever a good idea to eat an entire sleeve of Oreos at once?” and would probably get mostly negative responses ....
     
    Not if they are mint doublestuff.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    My Dad told me that in his younger years he drank a big jar of pickle juice (whether on a dare or not I don’t know). He thought that messed up his digestion somewhat in the long run. Mint double-stuff Oreos are perfectly safe, though you don’t want to call a black dude that at the Adam & Steve’s gay bar….

    .

    .

    … you know, black on the outside, green (heterosexual per A.E.’s bar graph) on the inside.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Hmmm ... I thought pickle juice was supposed to be good for digestion.

    Never been to Adam & Steve's ... I used to hang out at King Tut's Wah Wah Hut (NYC, not Glasgow) and chat with a chain-mail wearing chick named Chantal (at least I thought she was a chick), but it was a mostly white crowd.

  9. @Twinkie

    blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery than members of other races are. Asians, in contrast, are less likely than members of other races to both commit and to condemn adultery.
     
    Perhaps high levels of adultery among blacks (and the consequent and widespread suffering among them) lead them to condemn it more vehemently, just as the scarcity of it (and lack of experience with it) among Asians causes them not to be so.

    Replies: @Anon, @Almost Missouri, @West Reanimator

    Yeah, I think this is it. If instead of stating

    “blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery “

    it is stated as

    “blacks are both more likely to have experienced adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery”

    it seems more self-evident and less contradictory.

    I suspect a similar pattern could be found with other things. In my experience, blacks are much more condemnatory of crime than whites, precisely because they have more personal experience with it. In surveys this is somewhat muted by the decades of media prostylization to blacks that police and imprisonment is just a racist conspiracy against them. But on a personal level, blacks are much more likely to advocate (and execute) vigorous self defense and punishment of transgressors.

    Similarly, I’ve written before that I’ve found Arabs and Muslims (at least the ones who themselves are not terrorists or enablers) are much more intolerant of terrorists than mainstream whites, precisely because they know better just who they are up against. Again, this is not necessarily obvious in surveys as they are usually worded to lump Arabs together and Muslims together against whites and Christians, thereby hiding strong intragroup differences in favor of the approved identity group hostilities that the media want to promote.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Almost Missouri


    “blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery “
     
    And also... in case people thought there might just be two non-overlapping subsets (which is entirely plausible)

    “Black adulterers are more likely to morally condemn adultery, than non-black adulterers“
     
    Big win for the gheys: their adulterers are 80% non-hypocrites about adultery.
    , @UK
    @Almost Missouri

    Mexicans don't like talking about Mexico's ridiculous gang problems with non-Mexicans. It makes then feel bad. Blacks don't like talking about crime and Muslims about terrorism for the same reason. All three groups will, to feel good, kind of pretend it doesn't exist or try and blame it on the person talking to them whom they feel threatened by's questions, but all tend to have a deep antipathy to the problems that are especially prominent among their communities. It is a funny one.

    , @Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    blacks are much more likely to advocate (and execute) vigorous self defense and punishment of transgressors.

    But not if the victim is White.

  10. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    My Dad told me that in his younger years he drank a big jar of pickle juice (whether on a dare or not I don't know). He thought that messed up his digestion somewhat in the long run. Mint double-stuff Oreos are perfectly safe, though you don't want to call a black dude that at the Adam & Steve's gay bar....

    .

    .

    ... you know, black on the outside, green (heterosexual per A.E.'s bar graph) on the inside.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Hmmm … I thought pickle juice was supposed to be good for digestion.

    Never been to Adam & Steve’s … I used to hang out at King Tut’s Wah Wah Hut (NYC, not Glasgow) and chat with a chain-mail wearing chick named Chantal (at least I thought she was a chick), but it was a mostly white crowd.

  11. ” . . . though almost everyone has done this or something similarly foolish at least once in their lives, and will probably do so again.”

    Hmmmm . . . when I was about ten, I ate an entire stalk of fresh bananas . . .

    I will never o it again. As for crossing the line . . . I hope I have shored up those walls – there’s a reason why I did not choose the ministry. I might be so inclined as a Catholic priest . . .

    I do think the point is well pressed — about the need to be ever vigilant, regarding our vulnerabilities.

  12. I think it’s easy to underestimate both the power of sex, and the influence simple economics hold sway over our daily lives.

    Economics forces untold millions to seek out and discover the simple pleasures of life.

    Sex is one of the simple pleasures, and many ( myself included) find it very difficult to pass up any opportunity to engage in one of the few pleasures life affords us.

    For others, not quite so lucky in having many opportunities to enjoy this simple pleasure, we turn to a simple substitute economics allows us.
    Sugar.

    Both are God’s gift to the wretched that inhabit the earth.

    Proving once again God is mischievous but not malicious.

  13. @Almost Missouri
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, I think this is it. If instead of stating


    "blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery "
     
    it is stated as

    "blacks are both more likely to have experienced adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery"

    it seems more self-evident and less contradictory.

    I suspect a similar pattern could be found with other things. In my experience, blacks are much more condemnatory of crime than whites, precisely because they have more personal experience with it. In surveys this is somewhat muted by the decades of media prostylization to blacks that police and imprisonment is just a racist conspiracy against them. But on a personal level, blacks are much more likely to advocate (and execute) vigorous self defense and punishment of transgressors.

    Similarly, I've written before that I've found Arabs and Muslims (at least the ones who themselves are not terrorists or enablers) are much more intolerant of terrorists than mainstream whites, precisely because they know better just who they are up against. Again, this is not necessarily obvious in surveys as they are usually worded to lump Arabs together and Muslims together against whites and Christians, thereby hiding strong intragroup differences in favor of the approved identity group hostilities that the media want to promote.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @UK, @Anon

    “blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery “

    And also… in case people thought there might just be two non-overlapping subsets (which is entirely plausible)

    “Black adulterers are more likely to morally condemn adultery, than non-black adulterers“

    Big win for the gheys: their adulterers are 80% non-hypocrites about adultery.

  14. UK says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, I think this is it. If instead of stating


    "blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery "
     
    it is stated as

    "blacks are both more likely to have experienced adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery"

    it seems more self-evident and less contradictory.

    I suspect a similar pattern could be found with other things. In my experience, blacks are much more condemnatory of crime than whites, precisely because they have more personal experience with it. In surveys this is somewhat muted by the decades of media prostylization to blacks that police and imprisonment is just a racist conspiracy against them. But on a personal level, blacks are much more likely to advocate (and execute) vigorous self defense and punishment of transgressors.

    Similarly, I've written before that I've found Arabs and Muslims (at least the ones who themselves are not terrorists or enablers) are much more intolerant of terrorists than mainstream whites, precisely because they know better just who they are up against. Again, this is not necessarily obvious in surveys as they are usually worded to lump Arabs together and Muslims together against whites and Christians, thereby hiding strong intragroup differences in favor of the approved identity group hostilities that the media want to promote.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @UK, @Anon

    Mexicans don’t like talking about Mexico’s ridiculous gang problems with non-Mexicans. It makes then feel bad. Blacks don’t like talking about crime and Muslims about terrorism for the same reason. All three groups will, to feel good, kind of pretend it doesn’t exist or try and blame it on the person talking to them whom they feel threatened by’s questions, but all tend to have a deep antipathy to the problems that are especially prominent among their communities. It is a funny one.

  15. @res
    @songbird

    The Marshmallow Test for Grownups
    https://hbr.org/2014/09/the-marshmallow-test-for-grownups


    As adults we face a version of the marshmallow test nearly every waking minute of every day. We’re not tempted by sugary treats, but by our browser tabs, phones, tablets, and (soon) our watches—all the devices that connect us to the global delivery system for those blips of information that do to us what marshmallows do to preschoolers.
     

    Replies: @songbird

    Doesn’t seem like a technical test, but rather an observation of how modern technology hits the reward centers. I guess its true, but I’m not sure how well it could be structured into a measurement. I suppose you could reward someone with phone time, or whatever their favorite electronic time-sink is, but then there is the expectation that being in a study, that would take them away from their daily distractions and they would have to volunteer for that, so that would probably create a distortion.

    It is pretty scary how people are becoming addicted to technology, even children. I’ve seen some that watch those de-boxing videos of toys – I find it kind of disturbing. Then there are those free-to-play games that are designed to activate the reward centers of the brain – I’d ban them, if I were a benevolent dictator.

  16. @Twinkie

    blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery than members of other races are. Asians, in contrast, are less likely than members of other races to both commit and to condemn adultery.
     
    Perhaps high levels of adultery among blacks (and the consequent and widespread suffering among them) lead them to condemn it more vehemently, just as the scarcity of it (and lack of experience with it) among Asians causes them not to be so.

    Replies: @Anon, @Almost Missouri, @West Reanimator

    I have had the same thought about blacks and homophobia, as well.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @West Reanimator

    There is no such thing as "homophobia".  There are homo-rape-phobia and faggot disgust.

  17. @West Reanimator
    @Twinkie

    I have had the same thought about blacks and homophobia, as well.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    There is no such thing as “homophobia”.  There are homo-rape-phobia and faggot disgust.

  18. “Hmmm … I thought pickle juice was supposed to be good for digestion.”

    It is as is apple vinegar — but drinking an entire bottle in once sitting — even a small bottle, might discombobulate the system for quite some time.

  19. @Almost Missouri
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, I think this is it. If instead of stating


    "blacks are both more likely to commit adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery "
     
    it is stated as

    "blacks are both more likely to have experienced adultery and more likely to morally condemn adultery"

    it seems more self-evident and less contradictory.

    I suspect a similar pattern could be found with other things. In my experience, blacks are much more condemnatory of crime than whites, precisely because they have more personal experience with it. In surveys this is somewhat muted by the decades of media prostylization to blacks that police and imprisonment is just a racist conspiracy against them. But on a personal level, blacks are much more likely to advocate (and execute) vigorous self defense and punishment of transgressors.

    Similarly, I've written before that I've found Arabs and Muslims (at least the ones who themselves are not terrorists or enablers) are much more intolerant of terrorists than mainstream whites, precisely because they know better just who they are up against. Again, this is not necessarily obvious in surveys as they are usually worded to lump Arabs together and Muslims together against whites and Christians, thereby hiding strong intragroup differences in favor of the approved identity group hostilities that the media want to promote.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @UK, @Anon

    blacks are much more likely to advocate (and execute) vigorous self defense and punishment of transgressors.

    But not if the victim is White.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational

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