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A large minority of Americans think Breonna Taylor would not have been shot by police if she’d been white instead of black:

From what has been reported, police blindly returned fire in the course of executing a drug-related search warrant when Taylor’s boyfriend shot at them, hitting one cop in the leg. It seems neither Taylor and her boyfriend nor the three police officers saw each other as the bullets flew which is why all of them missed their intended targets–Taylor’s boyfriend’s discharge was said to be a warning shot not intended to hit anyone, and the 32 shots fired back by police were intended to neutralize the threat that shot at them but none of the bullets struck the boyfriend.

If the officers didn’t see her, why would nearly half the public think they shot her because she was black and would not have shot her if she had been white?

Maybe the thinking is that the police would not have executed a search warrant in the first place if she had not been black. It wasn’t that her race mattered in the moment but that what led the situation to get to the point that it did was racial in nature.

This systemic racism explanation is at least plausible, so here’s to hoping it, rather than the thought that bullets fired blindly hit blacks but miss whites, is the line of reasoning most of the respondents shown above followed to arrive at their conclusion.

 
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  1. nebulafox says:

    In contrast to Louisville, though, Baltimore and Detroit have majority black police forces. That’s entirely appropriate, given the demographics, but is anybody going to seriously buy that police-black community relations are better in the latter?

    • Replies: @216
  2. The Louisville police use special ammunition that misses whites but hits blacks. Institutional racism, haven’t you heard?

  3. Twinkie says:

    police blindly returned fire

    People shouldn’t be up in arms about an unproven allegation of racism or brutality against blacks – they should be angry at the incredible incompetence and poor judgment of the police officers who fired into walls, which is contrary to one of the major rules of firearms handling – identify your target and what’s behind it.

    Cripes, that was a complete, utter shit show. But it wasn’t racism. Blaming racism isn’t just wrong, it militates against fixing the actual problems here.

  4. LondonBob says:

    White people are easier to see in the dark.

    • LOL: Realist
  5. This systemic racism explanation is at least plausible

    No, it is not. It is absurd.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  6. @Twinkie

    I’m not a soldier and know very little about military tactics so this a good faith question, but what realistically could they have done differently (obviously without the benefit of the clear hindsight we are privileged with)? The details still seem somewhat vague, but it seems to me they heard a shot seemingly intended for them, and knew the general area from which it came (possibly seeing the flash?). So under the assumption that someone’s popping out of cover (or firing blind behind cover toward them), besides just accepting fire, what should they have done? I know they’re law enforcement and not soldiers, but from the perspective of the guys potentially getting shot firefights are essentially similar, and I have to believe soldiers would fire toward whatever cover they believed the bad guys were behind.

    As for the poll, it’s pretty obvious that almost none of the respondents are aware of any of the relevant details of the case, they only know what the media wants to tell them about it.

    • Thanks: John Regan
    • Replies: @anon
  7. songbird says:

    If she were white, she probably would not have been two-timing on her drug-dealing boyfriend with her other drug-dealing boyfriend, and thus avoided being shot.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Not my economy
  8. Realist says:

    A large minority of Americans think Breonna Taylor would not have been shot by police if she’d been white instead of black:

    The main problem with your headline is using the words Americans and think in the same sentence.

  9. They think that way because they don’t know the details of the story. Simple as.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  10. iffen says:

    Most cops are patriots and they don’t shoot until they see the whites of their eyes.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  11. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    If the officers didn’t see her, why would nearly half the public think they shot her because she was black and would not have shot her if she had been white?

    Because most people are stupid and easily fooled, and journo-lists have been peddling blatant lies about white and black people for years. That’s why.

    The facts don’t matter. Only Black Lives Matter.

  12. Stick says:

    Close ambushes require immediate action. There’ nowhere to hide. That action is immediate fire superiority. Works for black cops as well as black cops. Hell, Asians do it too.

  13. @songbird

    A white girl would have alternating “dick appointments” for both guys where they show up at her place and then leave quickly after. Or she’d have been stuck with her dog. Or recording for her onlyfans. So yes would have avoided being shot but, weird flex

  14. Dutch Boy says:
    @Twinkie

    Turning the question of the police use of force into a racial question terminated what could have been fruitful into something ugly. About half those shot by police are white, so the subject of the proper use of force should cut across racial lines. Now it’s us vs. them.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    , @216
  15. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    I’m not a soldier and know very little about military tactics so this a good faith question, but what realistically could they have done differently (obviously without the benefit of the clear hindsight we are privileged with)?

    Cops aren’t soldiers and serving an arrest warrant is not a military operation, not in the US. Even SWAT raids are not military operations. This is important.

    Notice that the indictments handed down on the Louisville cops are for something along the lines of “reckless endangerment”, and are driven by the bullets that wound up outside of the apartment. In other words, the cops under indictment are the ones who fired carelessly such that their bullet(s) went into someone else’s dwelling. I have zero problem with this. See Twinkie’s comment.

    There’s a lot that has not fully been revealed about this screw up. I doubt they had a no-knock SWAT warrant, for a start. If they really had a knock-and-announce warrant, then serving it on the apartment and getting gunfire through the door means a change in tactics, not “charge ahead”. Back off, put a cordon around the building, get set to wait.

    For a start, I bet there’s only one door to the apartment, so the guy’s not going anywhere soon. Treat the situ as “barricaded suspect”. Get all the neighbors out of their apartments while calling for a negotiator and SWAT. When all the rest of the party arrives, SWAT sets up so that he’s got no route of escape and the negotiator informs him of this fact. Cut the power and water, then wait. Talk him out then arrest him and put him in a car. Put “no trespassing” tape on the apartment and wait for detectives to arrive to clear it for whatever evidence of a crime can be found.

    No drama, no gunfire, all the cops go home, the suspect goes to jail. If Breonna has warrants, she goes to jail, if not then she’s free to go somewhere else, just don’t leave town. My local PD has handled some similar situations in this manner, it’s not exciting but it gets the job done.

    Nobody shot Breonna because of the color of her skin, that’s a vicious lie.

    Journo-list lies matter. Black lies matter. All lies matter.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  16. @iffen

    Cops work for the government, not the public.

    Cops look forward to their cushy pensions and they generally deal with people who lack cerebral control.

    It’s a match made in heaven.

  17. All Rancid Republican Party Pukes Are Donor-Controlled Treasonite Globalizer Politician Whores

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    The rancid Republican Party is a dying and croaking electoral Hindenburg going down in flames and the short sharp shock of the death of the treasonous Republican Party will release some European Christian Americans from their voodoo trance infatuation and obeisance with the soon to be gone GOP.

    Vote for CHARLES PEWITT as a write-in candidate for president on November 3.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING

    David Brooks and others have CORE on their mind:

    People on the right and the left see threats coming from different places. In his new book, “The Securitarian Personality,” the political scientist John R. Hibbing argues that people on the right tend to react to threats coming from outside America, while people on the left see threats coming from the powerful financial and political spheres inside America.

    Hibbing’s book, based on reporting, focus groups and surveys, is an attempt to understand what motivates the most enthusiastic Trump supporters. The most ardent ones, he notes, are not economically marginalized, not submissive, not authoritarian, not religious or conventionally conservative. They have a strong concept that there is a core America, a concept which I suppose you could summarize as white, rural, John Wayne, football and hunting.

    They feel that core America is under existential threat from people they view as outsiders: immigrants, Chinese communists, cosmopolitan urbanites and people of color. They see themselves as strong and vigilant protectors, defending the sacred homeland from alien menace.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/opinion/trump-ethics-immorality.html?referringSource=articleShare

    Tweets from 2015:

  18. Love the percentile of those with post-graduate degrees (59%). Only the various categories of vibrants are higher. Yet additional proof (as is any were needed) that there are some notions which are so profoundly stupid that only someone with a PhD would believe them to be possible. I wonder how many of these over-degreed idiots are women? My bet would be a lot higher than the 48% for women as a whole. Given Breonna Taylor’s rather curious history of hanging around drug-dealers and the like (I believe she was no longer an EMT when killed), I expect the badge-gang (who I have very little if any sympathy for) would have been even more likely to kill a white female the identical scenario.

    The massive overuse of no-knock warrants and police charging in as if they were fighting the Taliban (who would clean their clocks permanently in any fight) is a major part the problem which led to Taylor’s death at the hands of the badge-gang (though there are some arguments floating around that the fatal shot was delivered by her boyfriend in the crossfire). Even here in clown-world, the majority of police shootings involve someone coming at the police with a weapon – which used to be called “suicide by cop”.

    Another systemic problem is that the police hardly ever get charged in truly egregious cases of unjustified homicide. They have what amounts to an unlimited license to kill whites, with a more limited one to kill blacks (black badge-gang members can kill blacks with more impunity than white members). Killing blacks is more problematic as their masters tend to take action to punish those who kill even in defense of their own life. Darren Wilson will never be a cop again, despite acquittal. He was purged and blacklisted for self-defense. Most whites in the badge-gang aren’t bright enough to figure this out.

  19. Wyatt says:

    Average black IQ in America is 85 and that’s the ceiling, not the floor.

  20. @Magic Dirt Resident

    They have no details because our media carefully hide all the ones which don’t confirm The Narrative.

  21. 216 says:
    @nebulafox

    In the latter, de-facto control of the city was usurped by Dan Gilbert and the Illitch family, among other elites.

  22. martin_2 says:
    @Dutch Boy

    That’s what I keep saying. The blacks could have stood up for everyone, black or white or whoever, who have been the victims of police brutality and callousness. That would have been an original, clever, and altruistic move on their part, and would have changed the perception of a lot of people. For once, blacks would have been acting on behalf of whites, and not always the other way round. But no, blacks haven’t got the intelligence or character to think that way. They only see themselves as people for whom things are done, and never as people that do things for others.

  23. 216 says:
    @Dutch Boy

    90% of those shot are male, I suspect the reason this story gained so much traction is that it was a female victim.

    The major story of BLM is how near-unanimously younger white women appear to be supporting it.

    Thinking back to 2011, one of the reasons why Occupy collapsed were the reported sexual assaults.

  24. Marty says:

    Same reason everyone still buys the “driving while black” whine even though, given ubiquitous tinting, it’s obvious a cop is unlikely to know the race of a driver before walking up to the window.

  25. Twinkie says:
    @anon

    Cops aren’t soldiers and serving an arrest warrant is not a military operation, not in the US. Even SWAT raids are not military operations. This is important.

    Absolutely. In military operations, the mission is usually of primary importance. Although the military tries to minimize collateral damage associated with operations, there is an expectation that civilians should try their best to flee from the battlefield. Those “civilians” who hole up with the enemy take their chances with acts of hostility in a military conflict (and even then, with most First World military forces, there are lots of laws of warfare considerations that require consultations with JAG officers in conjunction with mission planning).

    In contrast, the primary goal of police officers and their actions is (or should be) – foremost – to protect the public, even if the purpose of their original action is to apprehend a suspect. Police officers absolutely, positively CANNOT shoot at targets they cannot identify (indeed, they have to identify what’s behind the target, too, because bullets frequently go through people and hits what, or who, is behind).

    Firing through the wall simply because there are bullets flying is completely unforgivable. Blind firing like that could hit anything and anyone behind the wall – for all they knew, there could have been infants lying asleep behind the wall. Moreover, most building material is pretty thin and one must be extra careful when firing in built-up areas – bullets can easily penetrate multiple drywalls and end up everywhere. They can also ricochet off hard objects and bounce unpredictably (that’s another reason why you don’t fire into glass or water or walls – the bullets can bounce or skip along and fly toward unintended objects and people).

    Treat the situ as “barricaded suspect”. Get all the neighbors out of their apartments while calling for a negotiator and SWAT. When all the rest of the party arrives, SWAT sets up so that he’s got no route of escape and the negotiator informs him of this fact. Cut the power and water, then wait. Talk him out then arrest him and put him in a car. Put “no trespassing” tape on the apartment and wait for detectives to arrive to clear it for whatever evidence of a crime can be found.

    Again, agreed fully! And even if the local police were to effect a breach (after a failure in negotiations or imminent threats to hostages, etc.), they would clear the area of all the other residents first and then utilize a tactical team that is competently-trained in dynamic entry operations. You don’t leave that jumpy officers who have so little training and such poor judgment that they fire into unknown targets behind a wall!

    Like I wrote earlier – complete shit show.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, dfordoom

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