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Nebulafox on a crucial distinction between Occident and Orient:

Eugenics does not have the same stigma in East Asia that it does in the West: most parents would not hesitate to abort retarded children, even in Japan or Korea. I’m sure you can use your imagination for what this means given the degree of progress genetics and biological engineering research in China have attained over the last decade.

The West wasn’t afraid of physics so the 20th century was the Western century. The West is afraid of genetics, though, and the Chinese are not, so we have another reason to believe the 21st will be the Chinese century.

On the other hand, I suspect Western reservations about genetic engineering will dissipate abruptly in the future. Regarding aborting retarded children, our elites are already there. While fewer than half of Americans say they favor aborting a fetus with a genetic defect, nearly 80% of Jews do. If the CRISPR revolution occurs, the people who move heaven and earth to get their children into the most selective preschools today will pony up whatever it costs to extend their children’s privilege back much further than three years after birth–they’ll go nine months prior to birth if they’re able to gain an edge from it.

Mark G. on the Bush menace:

The Democrats being the war party is nothing new. Bob Dole referred to “Democrat wars” in a VP debate in 1976. Wilson got us in World War I, FDR in World War II, Truman in the Korean War, and LBJ in the Vietnam War. It was only when the McGovernites took over and drove the Scoop Jackson hawks out of the Democrat party that things changed.

The Republicans were the isolationist party for most of the twentieth century until National Review came along and started advocating a global war against Communism. They influenced the Republican party but, even then, Republican presidents like Reagan weren’t particularly eager to start up new wars. It wasn’t until the neocons got firmly in control and the Communist threat switched to the Islamic threat that the Republicans led the country into overseas wars. The failure of those wars led the Republican rank and file to start to question their neocon leadership. Buchanan, Paul and then Trump runs resulted with Trump finally winning. Now it’s mostly Democrats wanting to involve us in more wars like Libya or Syria and demonizing Putin as the new Hitler.

John Kasich, Bill Kristol, and Colin Powell are all Ridin’ with Biden. They know warmongers when they see them, and they like what they see there.

Reg Cæsar offers some pithy perspicacity:

Two sides in Tennessee were vying for the future of Tennessee. This was true of several states with mountain men who didn’t want to be corralled with a bunch of colored folk and their keepers. E.g., Winston County, Alabama.

Whether or not it was a civil war between the states, it was very much a civil war within the states.

It still doesn’t help me settle on a favored term for what is conventionally referred to as the American Civil War. The term “civil war” implies war for control over the state, something obviously inapplicable to the Confederacy. The War of Northern Aggression is too blatantly partisan for this yankee’s tastes. The War Between the States is okay. Something like the War for Southern Secession seems most apt, though we’re optimistic the third significant secessionary movement in American history will be peaceful unlike the first two were. Third time’s a charm, as they say.

 
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  1. Reg Caesar doesn’t understand a whole lot about the South.

    I agree completely with your last paragraph and your opinion of all the possible accurate names for that late unpleasantness.

    Something like the War for Southern Secession seems most apt

    Yep.

    You say 3rd time’s a charm about your hope that it’s peaceful, but you’ve gotta admit that once some brave patriots put their lives, fortune, and sacred honor on the line, the result was charming too. Americans got nearly 200 good years out of the Constitutional Republic they formed.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  2. “The War of Northern Aggression” is technically accurate, but the “War Against Southern Independence” might be more palatable. After all, what do the Brits call the American Revolutionary War?

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Observator
    @Anon

    For decades after the conflict, the British officially named what we call the Revolution "the War in America with France, Spain, and the Netherlands". The three world powers allied with the American insurgency were co-signatories of the 1783 treaties that ended the war, known collectively as the Treaty of Paris. In them Britain formally renounced her right of ownership of the former American colonies, giving legal existence to and international recognition of a new political entity called the United States of America. Before that, colonial "independency" was theoretical.

  3. In France the American Civil War is known as La Guerre de Sécession, which is certainly a more descriptive title.

    A peaceful dissolution of the Union and it’s reconstitution into regional republics would be a highly desirable development, but I fear that’s just not a likely outcome.

  4. Eugenics does not have the same stigma in East Asia that it does in the West: most parents would not hesitate to abort retarded children, even in Japan or Korea

    I broadly agree with nebulabox on the the ethics landscape regarding eugenics in East Asia. However, China, Japan, and South Korea are not identical and have very different ethical and religious landscapes.

    Japan is a “strange” country in that it has a relatively high degree of stable ethical and social conformity, yet a very low degree of religiousity. Most Japanese subscribe very loosely to some combination of Buddhism and Shintoism (which is really animism at its core); Christians are only 1.5% of the population. Abortion is technically illegal, but exceptions are numerous and broad, so it is, in effect, legal.

    China is similarly irreligious; most Chinese are either unaffiliated or adhere to some vague folk religions. Christians are about 5% of the population (though they may be much greater in number and whatever the actual number is today, it is growing). It is also a country in turmoil in ethical terms – as a fast developing society that is shedding former communist repression, it has yet to find a stable bearing on what constitutes good morality. Abortion is legal and freely available.

    South Korea is somewhat different. Rather like its one-time sponsor, the United States, its predominant religion in Protestant Christianity (Christians are about 30% of the public). Indeed South Koreans are notable for their Christian fervor (they field the greatest number of Christian missionaries in the world after the United States) and the landscape of its capital, Seoul, is dotted with numerous churches. Nonetheless, the fraction of the religiously unaffiliated is rising rapidly (now over 50%). As in the U.S., there is something of a cultural and political war between the secular liberals and Christian conservatives there (the latest flashpoint on which is the coronavirus – the secular left there is on the warpath against churches as irresponsible incubators of the virus transmission). Abortion is illegal in most cases; however, hospitals and clinics are reputed to violate the ban, so reliable statistics are virtually impossible to obtain. Recently, the courts in South Korea found the ban to be unconstitutional and legal liberalization of abortion is expected this year.

    distinction between Occident and Orient

    I don’t deny that there are some broad dissimilarities between “the Occident and the Orient,” but there are enough cultural and religious idiosyncrasies among different countries of the Orient (or the Occident, for that matter, say Great Britain vs. Italy or Spain vs. Germany) that one ought be careful about applying broad brushstrokes in most discussions.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    I agree. To be clear, my point in alluding to Japan and Korea was not to conflate them with the PRC (or each other) in terms of ethics or culture, but to illustrate that even as advanced, liberalized democracies, the lack of stigma the Nazis left to the subject in the West is still visible. I have not looked at Taiwanese opinions on the matter, as an aside, but I'd be surprised if it was much different there.

    >It is also a country in turmoil in ethical terms – as a fast developing society that is shedding former communist repression, it has yet to find a stable bearing on what constitutes good morality.

    I try to avoid psychoanalysis as a field for frauds and fools, but I suspect the interest in classical history and philosophy (and religion, whether "foreign" or traditional) taking off among middle class mainlanders is a long delayed subliminal effort to fill the gaping void that the Cultural Revolution ripped in the nation's collective psyche. Money and rapid material developments filled or at least obscured that void for decades, but China's well off enough now that this no longer does the trick as much as it used to.

    >But they don’t seem to be able to help themselves.

    They are convinced that they have History on their side. As such...

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Talha

    , @Wyatt
    @Twinkie

    The japs and the chinapeople might be a century behind the west for "ethics" and are following 20th century, sensible white man logic rather than jewish propaganda.

    They might be smart enough to stop the progression, but if something could serve Israel and doesn't, it will be undermined until it does.

    , @Svevlad
    @Twinkie

    Don't forget North Korea where the only allowed religion (not counting atheism) is Orthodoxy, and apparently it's growing. Which is a far more robust and "statist" form of Christianity (unlike the Papacy, it had far, far less worldly power). They'll stick with whoever is in power as long as they're not attacked (see: Montenegro). They can complain with morally "dubious" practices like abortion or eugenics, but they're very pragmatic so it's just symbolism.

    Unlike catholics and protestantoids which kvetch and seethe and moan about everything and then go back to sucking israeli dick, molesting boys (a pedo AND gay, how quaint) and throwing "schismatics" into pits and other atrocities.

    Replies: @anon

  5. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    most parents would not hesitate to abort retarded children, even in Japan

    This is not accurate. Japanese have much more emotional attachment to the unborn than do Westerners. There is even a special ceremony for babies who cannot be born, including those aborted — 水子供養 (Mizuko kuyō). The ceremony is carried out by a Buddhist priest and typically costs around ¥50,000 (a bit less than $500). Not all Japanese women have the ceremony performed, of course, but the fact that it exists and is a routine practice is telling. Is there any similar ceremony in the West, where aborted babies are dismembered and their body parts sold or thrown in the trash?
    A Buddhist priest explains the purpose of the ceremony:

    水子供養をする目的は我が子の幸せを願うためです。
    また、心を込めて祈願して、我が子を仏様に任せるという意味も持ちます。
    生まれてくることのなかった子供は、死後にどこに行けばいいのか迷ってしまうこともあるでしょう。自分の親よりも早く亡くなってしまったことから、成仏できていないこともあります。
    その場合に、親が正しい方向へ導いてあげるのも、水子供養の目的です。
    そして、自責の念にかられる母親や、情緒不安定になってしまった親達の気持ちに区切りを付けさせるという目的もあります。
    生まれることができなかった我が子は仏様に預け、前向きに生活をしていくために供養するのです。
    水子供養をしたことで、我が子は幸せになれるという気持ちにさせてくれます。

    “The purpose of Mizuko is to wish for the happiness of your child.
    It also means praying with all your heart and leaving your child to the Buddha.
    An unborn child may be wondering where to go after death: “Sometimes I haven’t been able to reach Buddhahood because I died earlier than my parents.” The ceremony ensures your child will do so.
    It is also the purpose of Mizuko kuyo to guide the parents in the right direction, of assuaging the feelings of mothers who feel guilty and parents who have become emotionally unstable.
    Your child, who could not be born, is entrusted to the Buddha in this memorial service, reassuring you of his well-being in the afterlife and helping you continue with a positive life in this world.
    “Mizuko kuyo makes me feel that my child can be happy.”

    • Thanks: Sollipsist
  6. I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics that took place in Central Europe early in the 20th. As a result of the long shadow of WWII and the Cold War, we’re still thinking space, nuclear weapons, and theoretical physicists scribbling away exotic looking equations. Not the case.

    Even in physics, the majority of theorists are as much computational specialists as anything, and biophysics is probably the most vibrant subfield in physics out there.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @nebulafox


    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics that took place in Central Europe early in the 20th.
     
    Absolutely wrong.

    Modern biology is anti-knowledge: It's full of antecedent suppositions that are metaphysically incorrect. The same people who brought you a 100% record of wrong predictions concerning the Covid outbreak are the ones doing this "research," and they will not be transforming anything because they do not have an adequate first philosophy of living organisms.

    And the 21st century will not belong to China in any sense, either economically or militarily or culturally. China is the rump of a perished civilization; it is inert matter incapable of acting on its own. "China's rise" is an optical illusion created by the pathetic decline of the West in vitality and confidence. But real history, significant history, as it occurs in this era and on this planet, occurs only in Western lands. It would be more apt for future historians to refer to the 21st century as the "Period of Western Introversion." In the senescence of Faust, he turns inward to face Mephistopheles.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    , @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics
     
    That may be. But I think that where the East Asian countries will have an edge and increasingly dominate innovations will be in the field of robotics. They already make extensive use of industrial robots, and the demand will only increase in these societies where fertility is low, IQ is high, and immigration is limited.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  7. This was true of several states with mountain men who didn’t want to be corralled with a bunch of colored folk and their keepers.

    A similar dynamic is at work today in several states. In the past, despite the inevitable cultural and political differences between urban and rural America, the two were able to coexist and “leave each other alone” to some extent. And the political allegiances were less stark and more complicated – there were plenty of rural Democrats and urban Republicans. So while the coastal urban elites dominated the major institutions in the country, the “flyover” area exerted enough political clout to have a significant say in the overall cultural ethos; meanwhile, the suburbs existed as a centrist, neutral territory that were often the kingmakers in politics.

    Unfortunately, the social upheavals of the the 60’s and the 70’s, the sustained narcotics and crime spikes of the 80’s, and the rise of endless wars in the aftermath of 9/11 and the rise of the information technology and its purveyors dramatically altered the equilibrium of the past.

    The consequences were – among many others – that, until the recent chaos, many tech-oriented urban areas became dramatically rich and hyper-leftist (“Woke,” if you will). Suburban areas that were once traditionally center-right have become center-left, a trend that has accelerated significantly along with the rise of Trumpism (the GOP is now clearly a party of rural whites while the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers). Indeed, those rural whites now feel that not only are they politically and economically marginalized, but are literally being invaded by urban and suburban transplants and having their way of life destroyed – that they are not being given even the option of being left alone to their own devices (let alone impose their views on the urbanites as is often fantasized by the left).

    These are some of the thoughts that came to my mind as I read this article: https://www.thelily.com/a-battle-between-farmers-and-trust-fund-hippies-how-a-170-foot-trump-sign-is-dividing-one-virginia-county/

    One of the concluding lines of the article captured the sense of political marginalization and ideological oppression feared by the defeated in the culture war:

    “Could you imagine being so worried about what someone does on their property that you come on to Facebook?” commented Emmans, the farm hand and mother of 10. “Next they’re going to be concerned about what we do in our bedroom.”

    I share their sentiment. I want to be left alone by the Woketariat. I am perfectly willing to let them be as they are too. It’s a big country and we don’t have to fight or even be near each other. But they don’t seem to be able to help themselves. Sensing that they have won and can impose their kind of peace upon the defeated, they seem intent on NOT letting me (and others like me) be.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Twinkie

    (the GOP is now clearly a party of rural whites while the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers)

    Trump won the demographic "college-educated Whites" in 2016.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Wilma C.
    @Twinkie


    I want to be left alone by the Woketariat. I am perfectly willing to let them be as they are too. It’s a big country and we don’t have to fight or even be near each other. But they don’t seem to be able to help themselves. Sensing that they have won and can impose their kind of peace upon the defeated, they seem intent on NOT letting me (and others like me) be.
     
    The other day Revolver.news featured a video of Fulton Sheen which they said could’ve been made yesterday. The whole program was fascinating. In part of it Sheen talks about modern revolutionaries and discusses their characteristics. Namely that it’s directed by the elites and has as its m.o., “todo y nada”. As Sheen explains this, “It’s my will or nothing. This is what the elites insist upon. No alternative, no compromise. They would wipe the slate clean of anything that opposes them.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy6VtXVcGFw&app=desktop

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @anon
    @Twinkie

    Agree - the current political divide is as much city vs country as anything else. Here in Washington state the votes are roughly King County vs the rest of the state, or at least west of the mountains vs east of the mountains. Portland and the rest of Oregon have a similar dynamic.

  8. @Twinkie

    Eugenics does not have the same stigma in East Asia that it does in the West: most parents would not hesitate to abort retarded children, even in Japan or Korea
     
    I broadly agree with nebulabox on the the ethics landscape regarding eugenics in East Asia. However, China, Japan, and South Korea are not identical and have very different ethical and religious landscapes.

    Japan is a "strange" country in that it has a relatively high degree of stable ethical and social conformity, yet a very low degree of religiousity. Most Japanese subscribe very loosely to some combination of Buddhism and Shintoism (which is really animism at its core); Christians are only 1.5% of the population. Abortion is technically illegal, but exceptions are numerous and broad, so it is, in effect, legal.

    China is similarly irreligious; most Chinese are either unaffiliated or adhere to some vague folk religions. Christians are about 5% of the population (though they may be much greater in number and whatever the actual number is today, it is growing). It is also a country in turmoil in ethical terms - as a fast developing society that is shedding former communist repression, it has yet to find a stable bearing on what constitutes good morality. Abortion is legal and freely available.

    South Korea is somewhat different. Rather like its one-time sponsor, the United States, its predominant religion in Protestant Christianity (Christians are about 30% of the public). Indeed South Koreans are notable for their Christian fervor (they field the greatest number of Christian missionaries in the world after the United States) and the landscape of its capital, Seoul, is dotted with numerous churches. Nonetheless, the fraction of the religiously unaffiliated is rising rapidly (now over 50%). As in the U.S., there is something of a cultural and political war between the secular liberals and Christian conservatives there (the latest flashpoint on which is the coronavirus - the secular left there is on the warpath against churches as irresponsible incubators of the virus transmission). Abortion is illegal in most cases; however, hospitals and clinics are reputed to violate the ban, so reliable statistics are virtually impossible to obtain. Recently, the courts in South Korea found the ban to be unconstitutional and legal liberalization of abortion is expected this year.


    distinction between Occident and Orient
     
    I don't deny that there are some broad dissimilarities between "the Occident and the Orient," but there are enough cultural and religious idiosyncrasies among different countries of the Orient (or the Occident, for that matter, say Great Britain vs. Italy or Spain vs. Germany) that one ought be careful about applying broad brushstrokes in most discussions.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Wyatt, @Svevlad

    I agree. To be clear, my point in alluding to Japan and Korea was not to conflate them with the PRC (or each other) in terms of ethics or culture, but to illustrate that even as advanced, liberalized democracies, the lack of stigma the Nazis left to the subject in the West is still visible. I have not looked at Taiwanese opinions on the matter, as an aside, but I’d be surprised if it was much different there.

    >It is also a country in turmoil in ethical terms – as a fast developing society that is shedding former communist repression, it has yet to find a stable bearing on what constitutes good morality.

    I try to avoid psychoanalysis as a field for frauds and fools, but I suspect the interest in classical history and philosophy (and religion, whether “foreign” or traditional) taking off among middle class mainlanders is a long delayed subliminal effort to fill the gaping void that the Cultural Revolution ripped in the nation’s collective psyche. Money and rapid material developments filled or at least obscured that void for decades, but China’s well off enough now that this no longer does the trick as much as it used to.

    >But they don’t seem to be able to help themselves.

    They are convinced that they have History on their side. As such…

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @nebulafox

    PS:

    I'm not sure why, considering that the IJA did do a fair amount of Mengele-esque biological experimentation on civilians and WWII remains a common pop culture topic in China. (Leading to funny situations like new mainland blockbuster movies that lionize the KMT's defense of Shanghai. I haven't seen it, but it is huge, in Singapore as well as the PRC.)

    I can think of a variety of hypotheses here, not founded on anything concrete or well thought out. Scale, perhaps. The lack of an outright genocide explicitly founded on biological motives targeted against a heavily influential minority in film and the media. Lack of postwar interest in non-democratic nations dominated either by Communists or Japanophiles. And Imperial Japan's ideology just didn't seem hyper-obsessed with the particulars genetics and biology in the same way the Third Reich was, racial ultranationalism aside. Maybe that was partly because it wasn't exactly a "fascist" revolutionary state in the same sense Germany or Italy were, even after the total war laws, IMO: Japan dealt harshly with its own fascist-inclined people that questioned the status quo. (Then again, Fascist Italy only embraced biological racism in 1938. It's so funny that pop culture takes the Nazis as the prototypical "fascists" when in reality, they were wacky extremist outliers even within their own ideological milieu.)

    , @Talha
    @nebulafox


    I suspect the interest in classical history and philosophy (and religion, whether “foreign” or traditional) taking off among middle class mainlanders is a long delayed subliminal effort to fill the gaping void that the Cultural Revolution ripped in the nation’s collective psyche. Money and rapid material developments filled or at least obscured that void for decades, but China’s well off enough now that this no longer does the trick as much as it used to.
     
    To me, this is the most interesting part of the equation...we are dealing with a nation of a billion+ plus - lots of interesting things could develop. Let's hope some other new guy doesn't claim to be the brother of Jesus (pbuh) any time soon; that may work about as well as last time.

    But, again, this is what fascinates me; which direction will China go...man does not live by bread alone.

    Peace.
  9. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    I agree. To be clear, my point in alluding to Japan and Korea was not to conflate them with the PRC (or each other) in terms of ethics or culture, but to illustrate that even as advanced, liberalized democracies, the lack of stigma the Nazis left to the subject in the West is still visible. I have not looked at Taiwanese opinions on the matter, as an aside, but I'd be surprised if it was much different there.

    >It is also a country in turmoil in ethical terms – as a fast developing society that is shedding former communist repression, it has yet to find a stable bearing on what constitutes good morality.

    I try to avoid psychoanalysis as a field for frauds and fools, but I suspect the interest in classical history and philosophy (and religion, whether "foreign" or traditional) taking off among middle class mainlanders is a long delayed subliminal effort to fill the gaping void that the Cultural Revolution ripped in the nation's collective psyche. Money and rapid material developments filled or at least obscured that void for decades, but China's well off enough now that this no longer does the trick as much as it used to.

    >But they don’t seem to be able to help themselves.

    They are convinced that they have History on their side. As such...

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Talha

    PS:

    I’m not sure why, considering that the IJA did do a fair amount of Mengele-esque biological experimentation on civilians and WWII remains a common pop culture topic in China. (Leading to funny situations like new mainland blockbuster movies that lionize the KMT’s defense of Shanghai. I haven’t seen it, but it is huge, in Singapore as well as the PRC.)

    I can think of a variety of hypotheses here, not founded on anything concrete or well thought out. Scale, perhaps. The lack of an outright genocide explicitly founded on biological motives targeted against a heavily influential minority in film and the media. Lack of postwar interest in non-democratic nations dominated either by Communists or Japanophiles. And Imperial Japan’s ideology just didn’t seem hyper-obsessed with the particulars genetics and biology in the same way the Third Reich was, racial ultranationalism aside. Maybe that was partly because it wasn’t exactly a “fascist” revolutionary state in the same sense Germany or Italy were, even after the total war laws, IMO: Japan dealt harshly with its own fascist-inclined people that questioned the status quo. (Then again, Fascist Italy only embraced biological racism in 1938. It’s so funny that pop culture takes the Nazis as the prototypical “fascists” when in reality, they were wacky extremist outliers even within their own ideological milieu.)

  10. Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity. Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers. That explains why some of us call the engineering of life “playing god,” but we don’t feel superstitiously triggered by the emergence of the field of computer engineering over the last few decades.

    Actually this raises the question of god’s relative competence. Could a god create a computer? Or does man’s ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can’t?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @advancedatheist

    >Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity.

    I don't agree. As Twinkie alluded to, South Korea has a strong Christian minority, yet the willingness of parents to outright state that they would abort a retarded child remains there. Furthermore, Western Europe has been secularized for many decades now and fully tolerates abortion, yet I suspect they'd be a lot more compulsively, unconsciously skittish about genetic engineering in a way East Asians aren't.

    You could compare the second most Christian country in Asia to the most Christian nation in Asia, the Philippines, I suppose. There, the Catholic Church is still deeply influential in policy making, abortion is still heavily stigmatized, and the lack of family planning among the teeming impoverished is still a major social problem. But the Philippines is about as different from Korea as Serbia is from Scotland: I'd argue moreso. Religion ultimately reflects the local culture more than the other way around.

    > Could a god create a computer? Or does man’s ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can’t?

    Thus stateth the Old One to Einstein: "Albert, I am a programmer. Black holes are *bugs*".

    , @neutral
    @advancedatheist

    There are arguments that the universe is a computer.

    , @Realist
    @advancedatheist


    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity.
     
    Correct, the most vehement objection to genetic engineering comes from the religious sector...mainly Christians.
    , @Rosie
    @advancedatheist


    Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers.
     
    Groans. Yet the atheist claims that the thinking being that invented the computer emerged from the primordial goo by pure happenstance.
    , @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @advancedatheist


    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity
     
    Says the superstitious troglodyte who anthropomorphizes computers, and thinks qualia burst spontaneously from dumb matter via the mystical force of natural selection. Sorry to break it to you kiddo, that magic box you use to spew your pea brain opinions doesn't actually have a mind, and the little man who reads the news isn't actually in your tv.
    Computing is an analogue to the mind as much as the steam engine is.

    This raises the question, could an atheist ever raise a relevant point, or is it all always complete inconsistent shit?

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @advancedatheist

    There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Straight from the very source:

    Advanced atheism.

  11. @advancedatheist
    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity. Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers. That explains why some of us call the engineering of life "playing god," but we don't feel superstitiously triggered by the emergence of the field of computer engineering over the last few decades.

    Actually this raises the question of god's relative competence. Could a god create a computer? Or does man's ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can't?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @neutral, @Realist, @Rosie, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Intelligent Dasein

    >Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity.

    I don’t agree. As Twinkie alluded to, South Korea has a strong Christian minority, yet the willingness of parents to outright state that they would abort a retarded child remains there. Furthermore, Western Europe has been secularized for many decades now and fully tolerates abortion, yet I suspect they’d be a lot more compulsively, unconsciously skittish about genetic engineering in a way East Asians aren’t.

    You could compare the second most Christian country in Asia to the most Christian nation in Asia, the Philippines, I suppose. There, the Catholic Church is still deeply influential in policy making, abortion is still heavily stigmatized, and the lack of family planning among the teeming impoverished is still a major social problem. But the Philippines is about as different from Korea as Serbia is from Scotland: I’d argue moreso. Religion ultimately reflects the local culture more than the other way around.

    > Could a god create a computer? Or does man’s ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can’t?

    Thus stateth the Old One to Einstein: “Albert, I am a programmer. Black holes are *bugs*”.

  12. Something like the War for Southern Secession seems most apt

    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?

    • Agree: dfordoom, nebulafox
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @iffen

    How about we *not* stop at that blatantly obvious attempt to chill understanding of an immensely complex cultural, political and economic event by screeching "racists!"?

    Replies: @iffen

    , @nebulafox
    @iffen

    Andrew Johnson held views about black people that were astoundingly ugly, even by 1860s standards. But he remained loyal to the Union because he saw the Confederacy as the pet project of the agrarian oligarchs, who he also hated, that it was. That's the irony of 1619 project: it gets it completely ass-backwards. The economic legacy of slavery *retarded* the South so completely that it didn't even begin to partly escape that until the 1970s. Don't believe me? Go to Northern Brazil, which was the Confederacy on steroids, and see if that's an economic megapower for you.

    Unlike the (mostly white) lefties on MSNBC, I'm mature enough to understand that the postwar "dual nobility" narrative that threw the blacks under the bus served a greater purpose in the late 1800s, namely binding the wounds of a gravely mauled country and killing segregationist sentiment forever. But that's a purpose that's long since been fulfilled. Choosing to waste PR credit in defending the Confederacy is not just profoundly stupid, but pathetic. Why embrace losers and insist on ahistorical fantasies when you can instead aim your guns at the 1619 project with historical facts?

    Replies: @iffen

    , @Adam Smith
    @iffen


    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?
     
    No. It was not.

    The war resulted mostly from causes unrelated to slavery and abolition. It was a consequence of the Southern states' secession, which occurred despite the fact that the slave states could not have hoped for better protection of slavery than that afforded by the U. S. Constitution, provided they remained in the Union.

    While the issue of slavery was, in fact, a concern for the slave states, the secessionist movement began decades before the Civil War.

    "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." - Abraham Lincoln
     
    Contemporary newspapers from the North, South, and Europe all tell of a “tariff war,” not the popularly held propaganda that the war was a a noble crusade to "free the slaves”.

    In 1860, nearly all federal tax revenue was generated by tariffs. The Southern states were paying the majority of the tariffs (approximately 80%), and an impending new tariff would nearly triple the taxation rate. Much of the tax revenues collected from imports in the South went to Northern industrial interests and had been for decades.

    In 1828, Congress passed a tariff of 62%, which applied to nearly all imported goods. The purpose of the tariff was to protect Northern industries from low-priced imported goods. But it effectively increased the cost of goods for the South, which relied heavily on imported goods. At the same time, the tariff reduced the amount of British goods sold to the South, effectively making it more difficult for the British to pay for Southern cotton.

    Charles Dickens, from his journal All the Year Round, observed, “The last grievance of the South was the Morrill tariff, passed as an election bribe to the State of Pennsylvania, imposing, among other things, a duty of no less than fifty per cent on the importation of pig iron, in which that State is especially interested.”

    On December 20, 1860, South Carolina voted unanimously to secede. Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, and Louisiana soon followed, and before Lincoln’s inauguration, Texas and Georgia were added to the list.

    At the outset of the war, Lincoln called on volunteers from all states to “put down the rebellion.” Refusing to bear arms against their Southern brethren, Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, and Tennessee seceded.

    I agree with Anon[182] (comment #2)...

    “The War of Northern Aggression” is technically accurate, but the “War Against Southern Independence” might be more palatable.
     
    "The War to Deny the South Their Rights to Self Determination, Freedom of Association and to Throw Off the Shackles of the Existing "government" and Form a New One That Suits Them Better" is just too damn wordy.

    Perhaps we can call it something like "The War to Keep Southerners in Bondage to Northern Industrial Interests" or more simply "The War to Prevent Southern Secession"?

    The idea that the so called "Civil War" was some sort of a morality play about freeing southern slaves is a powerful ideological distortion that is not historically accurate or grounded in reality.

    Replies: @A123

    , @anonymous
    @iffen

    Why did Mr. Lincoln in 1863 purport to emancipate only the slaves in the Confederacy, and continue to preside over a government that enforced slavery in non-seceding states?

    , @anonymous
    @iffen

    Are you researching my question?

  13. @Twinkie

    This was true of several states with mountain men who didn’t want to be corralled with a bunch of colored folk and their keepers.
     
    A similar dynamic is at work today in several states. In the past, despite the inevitable cultural and political differences between urban and rural America, the two were able to coexist and "leave each other alone" to some extent. And the political allegiances were less stark and more complicated - there were plenty of rural Democrats and urban Republicans. So while the coastal urban elites dominated the major institutions in the country, the "flyover" area exerted enough political clout to have a significant say in the overall cultural ethos; meanwhile, the suburbs existed as a centrist, neutral territory that were often the kingmakers in politics.

    Unfortunately, the social upheavals of the the 60's and the 70's, the sustained narcotics and crime spikes of the 80's, and the rise of endless wars in the aftermath of 9/11 and the rise of the information technology and its purveyors dramatically altered the equilibrium of the past.

    The consequences were - among many others - that, until the recent chaos, many tech-oriented urban areas became dramatically rich and hyper-leftist ("Woke," if you will). Suburban areas that were once traditionally center-right have become center-left, a trend that has accelerated significantly along with the rise of Trumpism (the GOP is now clearly a party of rural whites while the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers). Indeed, those rural whites now feel that not only are they politically and economically marginalized, but are literally being invaded by urban and suburban transplants and having their way of life destroyed - that they are not being given even the option of being left alone to their own devices (let alone impose their views on the urbanites as is often fantasized by the left).

    These are some of the thoughts that came to my mind as I read this article: https://www.thelily.com/a-battle-between-farmers-and-trust-fund-hippies-how-a-170-foot-trump-sign-is-dividing-one-virginia-county/

    One of the concluding lines of the article captured the sense of political marginalization and ideological oppression feared by the defeated in the culture war:

    “Could you imagine being so worried about what someone does on their property that you come on to Facebook?” commented Emmans, the farm hand and mother of 10. “Next they’re going to be concerned about what we do in our bedroom.”
     
    I share their sentiment. I want to be left alone by the Woketariat. I am perfectly willing to let them be as they are too. It's a big country and we don't have to fight or even be near each other. But they don't seem to be able to help themselves. Sensing that they have won and can impose their kind of peace upon the defeated, they seem intent on NOT letting me (and others like me) be.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Wilma C., @anon

    (the GOP is now clearly a party of rural whites while the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers)

    Trump won the demographic “college-educated Whites” in 2016.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Cloudbuster


    Trump won the demographic “college-educated Whites” in 2016.
     
    Yes, I am aware. Please read what I wrote:

    the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers
     
    Also look at the trend lines from the past through the 2018 midterms.
  14. @iffen
    Something like the War for Southern Secession seems most apt

    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @nebulafox, @Adam Smith, @anonymous, @anonymous

    How about we *not* stop at that blatantly obvious attempt to chill understanding of an immensely complex cultural, political and economic event by screeching “racists!”?

    • Agree: Ash Williams
    • Replies: @iffen
    @Cloudbuster

    blatantly obvious attempt to chill understanding

    Using the correct words is understanding.

  15. John Kasich is sidin’ with Biden because of his deep revulsion for President Trump. Kasich is the former Republican governor of Ohio and, like Trump, a contender for the 2016 Republican Presidential nomination. Unless Kasich has made some recent statements to the contrary, his support for Biden is real but not very deep.

  16. @advancedatheist
    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity. Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers. That explains why some of us call the engineering of life "playing god," but we don't feel superstitiously triggered by the emergence of the field of computer engineering over the last few decades.

    Actually this raises the question of god's relative competence. Could a god create a computer? Or does man's ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can't?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @neutral, @Realist, @Rosie, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Intelligent Dasein

    There are arguments that the universe is a computer.

  17. Audacious, is there actually a literature discussing the prospects and motives for a devolution of the United States into smaller successor states? I think I’ve seen some references to how America’s regions may be thought of as sharply definable, but I don’t recall arguments for secession/devolution.

    I know I looked up arguments years ago for a new Constitutional convention, and the literature was very thin, and, of course, completely without popular or elite interest.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @JackOH

    Afaik there are no institutions devoted to thinking about it, though there are various secessionist movements around the country.

  18. @Cloudbuster
    @iffen

    How about we *not* stop at that blatantly obvious attempt to chill understanding of an immensely complex cultural, political and economic event by screeching "racists!"?

    Replies: @iffen

    blatantly obvious attempt to chill understanding

    Using the correct words is understanding.

  19. The West wasn’t afraid of physics so the 20th century was the Western century. The West is afraid of genetics, though, and the Chinese are not, so we have another reason to believe the 21st will be the Chinese century.

    On the other hand, I suspect Western reservations about genetic engineering will dissipate abruptly in the future.

    Excellent, astute observation and that will probably be the final nail in the coffin of Western dominance. Genetics, genomics and genetic modification will be the decisive science of the 21st century and beyond.

    Reservations about genetic engineering in the West will probably not dissipate until the Chinese have a commanding lead…which may have already occured.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Realist

    I wouldn't say they were afraid of physics, exactly, but the Nazis labeled stuff like quantum mechanics as "Jewish physics" and tried to push crackpot notions about how race was a big deal in physics and math, with insidious Jews attempting to subvert reality itself. The Third Reich's decision to destroy hard science education by going after insanely talented Jewish scientists and other dumb moves (and really, education in general-officers in WWII constantly complained about the products of the Third Reich's school system not being up to snuff) kind of, sort of had big consequences, down to the international language of science changing. When Satyendra Bose submitted his seminal work in English in the 1920s, he had to ask Einstein to translate it into German for him, and J. Robert Oppenheimer got his PhD in Germany before going back to America to teach the revolution coming out of Central Europe.

    (German has a tendency for compound words that makes it a really great technical language.)

    Replies: @Realist

  20. @advancedatheist
    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity. Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers. That explains why some of us call the engineering of life "playing god," but we don't feel superstitiously triggered by the emergence of the field of computer engineering over the last few decades.

    Actually this raises the question of god's relative competence. Could a god create a computer? Or does man's ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can't?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @neutral, @Realist, @Rosie, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Intelligent Dasein

    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity.

    Correct, the most vehement objection to genetic engineering comes from the religious sector…mainly Christians.

  21. @Twinkie

    Eugenics does not have the same stigma in East Asia that it does in the West: most parents would not hesitate to abort retarded children, even in Japan or Korea
     
    I broadly agree with nebulabox on the the ethics landscape regarding eugenics in East Asia. However, China, Japan, and South Korea are not identical and have very different ethical and religious landscapes.

    Japan is a "strange" country in that it has a relatively high degree of stable ethical and social conformity, yet a very low degree of religiousity. Most Japanese subscribe very loosely to some combination of Buddhism and Shintoism (which is really animism at its core); Christians are only 1.5% of the population. Abortion is technically illegal, but exceptions are numerous and broad, so it is, in effect, legal.

    China is similarly irreligious; most Chinese are either unaffiliated or adhere to some vague folk religions. Christians are about 5% of the population (though they may be much greater in number and whatever the actual number is today, it is growing). It is also a country in turmoil in ethical terms - as a fast developing society that is shedding former communist repression, it has yet to find a stable bearing on what constitutes good morality. Abortion is legal and freely available.

    South Korea is somewhat different. Rather like its one-time sponsor, the United States, its predominant religion in Protestant Christianity (Christians are about 30% of the public). Indeed South Koreans are notable for their Christian fervor (they field the greatest number of Christian missionaries in the world after the United States) and the landscape of its capital, Seoul, is dotted with numerous churches. Nonetheless, the fraction of the religiously unaffiliated is rising rapidly (now over 50%). As in the U.S., there is something of a cultural and political war between the secular liberals and Christian conservatives there (the latest flashpoint on which is the coronavirus - the secular left there is on the warpath against churches as irresponsible incubators of the virus transmission). Abortion is illegal in most cases; however, hospitals and clinics are reputed to violate the ban, so reliable statistics are virtually impossible to obtain. Recently, the courts in South Korea found the ban to be unconstitutional and legal liberalization of abortion is expected this year.


    distinction between Occident and Orient
     
    I don't deny that there are some broad dissimilarities between "the Occident and the Orient," but there are enough cultural and religious idiosyncrasies among different countries of the Orient (or the Occident, for that matter, say Great Britain vs. Italy or Spain vs. Germany) that one ought be careful about applying broad brushstrokes in most discussions.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Wyatt, @Svevlad

    The japs and the chinapeople might be a century behind the west for “ethics” and are following 20th century, sensible white man logic rather than jewish propaganda.

    They might be smart enough to stop the progression, but if something could serve Israel and doesn’t, it will be undermined until it does.

  22. @advancedatheist
    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity. Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers. That explains why some of us call the engineering of life "playing god," but we don't feel superstitiously triggered by the emergence of the field of computer engineering over the last few decades.

    Actually this raises the question of god's relative competence. Could a god create a computer? Or does man's ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can't?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @neutral, @Realist, @Rosie, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Intelligent Dasein

    Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers.

    Groans. Yet the atheist claims that the thinking being that invented the computer emerged from the primordial goo by pure happenstance.

  23. @Realist

    The West wasn’t afraid of physics so the 20th century was the Western century. The West is afraid of genetics, though, and the Chinese are not, so we have another reason to believe the 21st will be the Chinese century.

    On the other hand, I suspect Western reservations about genetic engineering will dissipate abruptly in the future.
     
    Excellent, astute observation and that will probably be the final nail in the coffin of Western dominance. Genetics, genomics and genetic modification will be the decisive science of the 21st century and beyond.

    Reservations about genetic engineering in the West will probably not dissipate until the Chinese have a commanding lead...which may have already occured.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I wouldn’t say they were afraid of physics, exactly, but the Nazis labeled stuff like quantum mechanics as “Jewish physics” and tried to push crackpot notions about how race was a big deal in physics and math, with insidious Jews attempting to subvert reality itself. The Third Reich’s decision to destroy hard science education by going after insanely talented Jewish scientists and other dumb moves (and really, education in general-officers in WWII constantly complained about the products of the Third Reich’s school system not being up to snuff) kind of, sort of had big consequences, down to the international language of science changing. When Satyendra Bose submitted his seminal work in English in the 1920s, he had to ask Einstein to translate it into German for him, and J. Robert Oppenheimer got his PhD in Germany before going back to America to teach the revolution coming out of Central Europe.

    (German has a tendency for compound words that makes it a really great technical language.)

    • Replies: @Realist
    @nebulafox


    I wouldn’t say they were afraid of physics, exactly, but the Nazis labeled stuff like quantum mechanics as “Jewish physics” and tried to push crackpot notions about how race was a big deal in physics and math, with insidious Jews attempting to subvert reality itself.
     
    Well race/ethnicity is a big deal in physics, math and all science...to the extent that intelligence is the dominant factor for success in STEM. Ashkenazi Jews have by far the highest average IQ...followed by East Asians, whites and blacks.

    The Third Reich’s decision to destroy hard science education by going after insanely talented Jewish scientists and other dumb moves (and really, education in general-officers in WWII constantly complained about the products of the Third Reich’s school system not being up to snuff) kind of, sort of had big consequences, down to the international language of science changing.
     
    The Third Reich obviously made some terrible mistakes Had Hitler not let his abject hatred of Jews overwhelm him. He could have purged them from positions of power, especially in finance, which was his main complaint. He could have benefited from their high intelligence in matters of science.

    If he had not became so power crazy and confined his territorial conquest to the areas wrongfully taken from Germany, instead of trying to take all of Europe...the Third Reich may well still be in control of Germany. Their architecture was excellent.

    Hitler became so overpowered by narcissism that he made petty delusions of grandeur become his downfall. An example is during the 1936 Olympics thinking that Germans could excel in all sports...he was humiliated by Jesse Owens. He wanted German people to be physically fit...which is the right thing to do. But to want them to be the best athletes in the world was a useless goal. Excelling at athletics in modern times is a useless endeavor...brain power is of utmost importance.

    Hitler should have confined his goals to righting the wrongs perpetrated against Germany after the First World War.

    Replies: @neutral

  24. @iffen
    Something like the War for Southern Secession seems most apt

    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @nebulafox, @Adam Smith, @anonymous, @anonymous

    Andrew Johnson held views about black people that were astoundingly ugly, even by 1860s standards. But he remained loyal to the Union because he saw the Confederacy as the pet project of the agrarian oligarchs, who he also hated, that it was. That’s the irony of 1619 project: it gets it completely ass-backwards. The economic legacy of slavery *retarded* the South so completely that it didn’t even begin to partly escape that until the 1970s. Don’t believe me? Go to Northern Brazil, which was the Confederacy on steroids, and see if that’s an economic megapower for you.

    Unlike the (mostly white) lefties on MSNBC, I’m mature enough to understand that the postwar “dual nobility” narrative that threw the blacks under the bus served a greater purpose in the late 1800s, namely binding the wounds of a gravely mauled country and killing segregationist sentiment forever. But that’s a purpose that’s long since been fulfilled. Choosing to waste PR credit in defending the Confederacy is not just profoundly stupid, but pathetic. Why embrace losers and insist on ahistorical fantasies when you can instead aim your guns at the 1619 project with historical facts?

    • Replies: @iffen
    @nebulafox

    the postwar “dual nobility” narrative that threw the blacks under the bus served a greater purpose in the late 1800s, namely binding the wounds of a gravely mauled country

    I understand Redemption, but I'm not so sure that it wouldn't have been better if we had gone ahead and enforced equality before the law then, rather than 80 years later.

  25. But it was a war of northern aggression. I’m not from the south and don’t particularly care about some ancient conflict, but any sincere reading of history leaves no doubt that the so-called abolitionists of the time were the same people as the tranny-rightsists and Orange-Man-Badists of today, and didn’t particularly care about slavery, merely found it useful as a plot device. They are insane, have always been insane, and will always find a reason to crush anyone who either isn’t a fellow traveler or is a fellow traveler but travels a little too slow for their tastes.

    Perhaps you can take comfort in the fact that it wasn’t really the Yankees who agitated, it was the New Englanders, as it always was and probably always shall be until New England and now the Pacific Northwest suffer the same fate as the old South.

    In a way, it could be argued that the New Englanders were also betrayed, when Lincoln decided to install a Federalist rather than Progressive system after the war – and we should all be very glad that he did. Nevertheless, it appears that progressives did just fine with their limited victory, and had no trouble taking over the federalists from the inside.

  26. @Anon
    “The War of Northern Aggression” is technically accurate, but the “War Against Southern Independence” might be more palatable. After all, what do the Brits call the American Revolutionary War?

    Replies: @Observator

    For decades after the conflict, the British officially named what we call the Revolution “the War in America with France, Spain, and the Netherlands”. The three world powers allied with the American insurgency were co-signatories of the 1783 treaties that ended the war, known collectively as the Treaty of Paris. In them Britain formally renounced her right of ownership of the former American colonies, giving legal existence to and international recognition of a new political entity called the United States of America. Before that, colonial “independency” was theoretical.

  27. @advancedatheist
    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity. Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers. That explains why some of us call the engineering of life "playing god," but we don't feel superstitiously triggered by the emergence of the field of computer engineering over the last few decades.

    Actually this raises the question of god's relative competence. Could a god create a computer? Or does man's ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can't?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @neutral, @Realist, @Rosie, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Intelligent Dasein

    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity

    Says the superstitious troglodyte who anthropomorphizes computers, and thinks qualia burst spontaneously from dumb matter via the mystical force of natural selection. Sorry to break it to you kiddo, that magic box you use to spew your pea brain opinions doesn’t actually have a mind, and the little man who reads the news isn’t actually in your tv.
    Computing is an analogue to the mind as much as the steam engine is.

    This raises the question, could an atheist ever raise a relevant point, or is it all always complete inconsistent shit?

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    Don’t insult muh volcano demon!

    https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-jewish-god-yahweh-originated-in-canaanite-vulcan-says-new-theory-1.5992072

  28. @nebulafox
    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics that took place in Central Europe early in the 20th. As a result of the long shadow of WWII and the Cold War, we're still thinking space, nuclear weapons, and theoretical physicists scribbling away exotic looking equations. Not the case.

    Even in physics, the majority of theorists are as much computational specialists as anything, and biophysics is probably the most vibrant subfield in physics out there.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Twinkie

    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics that took place in Central Europe early in the 20th.

    Absolutely wrong.

    Modern biology is anti-knowledge: It’s full of antecedent suppositions that are metaphysically incorrect. The same people who brought you a 100% record of wrong predictions concerning the Covid outbreak are the ones doing this “research,” and they will not be transforming anything because they do not have an adequate first philosophy of living organisms.

    And the 21st century will not belong to China in any sense, either economically or militarily or culturally. China is the rump of a perished civilization; it is inert matter incapable of acting on its own. “China’s rise” is an optical illusion created by the pathetic decline of the West in vitality and confidence. But real history, significant history, as it occurs in this era and on this planet, occurs only in Western lands. It would be more apt for future historians to refer to the 21st century as the “Period of Western Introversion.” In the senescence of Faust, he turns inward to face Mephistopheles.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Metaphysics?

    "Shut up and calculate."

    , @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Modern biology is anti-knowledge: It’s full of antecedent suppositions that are metaphysically incorrect. The same people who brought you a 100% record of wrong predictions concerning the Covid outbreak are the ones doing this “research,” and they will not be transforming anything because they do not have an adequate first philosophy of living organisms.
     
    I guess you won’t be availing yourself to any medical intervention then. Wait till you get older.

    But real history, significant history, as it occurs in this era and on this planet, occurs only in Western lands.
     
    The religion to which both you and I subscribe didn’t start in the West and neither was civilization invented there. That alone should tell you something about history.

    History of civilization is essentially that of the rise and decline of various Eurasian peoples, alternating based on various contingent factors. As much as I want the West to continue to dominate and lead the world, it is not “destined” to do so and your delusional attitude is similar to that of the Easterners who buried their heads in the sand of past glory and who thought the Western barbarians couldn’t possibly exceed their ancient, “superior” civilization.

  29. The American Civil War might be more accurately called the First War for African Equality.

    And alternatively, the 20th century could be called the Jewish century. I think this would be more accurate, since Jews were in a lot of places. Palestine, Russia, England, Germany, America, etc. And they helped develop the bomb.

    BTW, I think it is a bit too early to call the 21st century Chinese. I hope it is the Chinese century, but that depends on their political decisions for at least the next 50 years or more. It might be the century of poz or trannies or diversity.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @songbird

    And alternatively, the 20th century could be called the Jewish century

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51DVVg62kSL._SX327_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

  30. @nebulafox
    @iffen

    Andrew Johnson held views about black people that were astoundingly ugly, even by 1860s standards. But he remained loyal to the Union because he saw the Confederacy as the pet project of the agrarian oligarchs, who he also hated, that it was. That's the irony of 1619 project: it gets it completely ass-backwards. The economic legacy of slavery *retarded* the South so completely that it didn't even begin to partly escape that until the 1970s. Don't believe me? Go to Northern Brazil, which was the Confederacy on steroids, and see if that's an economic megapower for you.

    Unlike the (mostly white) lefties on MSNBC, I'm mature enough to understand that the postwar "dual nobility" narrative that threw the blacks under the bus served a greater purpose in the late 1800s, namely binding the wounds of a gravely mauled country and killing segregationist sentiment forever. But that's a purpose that's long since been fulfilled. Choosing to waste PR credit in defending the Confederacy is not just profoundly stupid, but pathetic. Why embrace losers and insist on ahistorical fantasies when you can instead aim your guns at the 1619 project with historical facts?

    Replies: @iffen

    the postwar “dual nobility” narrative that threw the blacks under the bus served a greater purpose in the late 1800s, namely binding the wounds of a gravely mauled country

    I understand Redemption, but I’m not so sure that it wouldn’t have been better if we had gone ahead and enforced equality before the law then, rather than 80 years later.

  31. @advancedatheist
    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity. Whereas no theist ever thought of attributing to his god the power to create, say, computers. That explains why some of us call the engineering of life "playing god," but we don't feel superstitiously triggered by the emergence of the field of computer engineering over the last few decades.

    Actually this raises the question of god's relative competence. Could a god create a computer? Or does man's ability to engineer computers show that in one respect we can do something that a god can't?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @neutral, @Realist, @Rosie, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Intelligent Dasein

    There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Straight from the very source:

    Advanced atheism.

  32. Debate on the causes of the War for the Union (as it was known in the free states at the time) continues and will for many years to come. Modern historians tend to investigate circumstances more critically than their predecessors, and within the context of international relations. With cotton being the leading US export commodity, the planter lobby had extensive ties to the commercial and banking houses of Britain and Europe, whose crowned heads saw the US’s successful experiment in self-government as a dangerous threat to their survival. The monarchs of the old world had been shaken to their core by the continent-wide republican uprisings in the “European Spring” of 1848, when their subjects rose en masse, inspired by the US example to abolish all kings everywhere. Eliminating this intolerable threat was their fondest hope; recent scholarship is investigating how their agents manipulated the hotheads and malcontents of the south to sabotage “the great republic” once and for all. It is a matter of record that these world powers greeted the fall of the first American republic in 1861 with relief and delight – and immediately began scheming to reconquer their lost lands in the western hemisphere.

    As rich as they were, the slaveholder aristocracy was becoming more isolated in a changing southern society. I think it was desperation that led them in 1860 to launch their long-plotted war on democracy. They finally lost control of the White House and being the arrogant men they were, the radical element decided it was time to quit the Union altogether, even though they still controlled Congress and the Supreme Court. The extent of anti-slavery sentiment in the US has been wildly exaggerated. The GOP chose to run Lincoln instead of radicals Seward or Chase because of his moderate position on the issue. The much hated Abolitionists were what we would call the lunatic fringe today, but their isolated firebrands were perfect imaginary enemies, like today’s terrorists, to distract Southrons from the real issues. But starting a war is always an elite’s best means of suppressing domestic dissent; and the barons of the old south had despised democracy right from the start (read Madison’s Federalist articles). Had they chosen to work within the system, they could conceivably have retained slavery for at least another generation, and probably have received compensation for the loss of their “property” when the time finally came.

    It’s worthwhile to reflect that the majority of people opposed to slavery proposed repatriation to Africa as the ultimate solution. An ethnic cleansing of that magnitude was not unthinkable in the 1870s and 80s: this was the height of the genocide of the remaining Indian tribes. But the Abolitionists were able to harness the patriotic rage that followed the attack on Sumter to push their unpopular agenda into law.

    In any case an aggressive, expansionist foreign power below the Mason-Dixon Line and in control of the Mississippi River would have been an existential threat to the survival of the free states, and the war would have gone on for as long as it took to eliminate this peril.

  33. @nebulafox
    @Realist

    I wouldn't say they were afraid of physics, exactly, but the Nazis labeled stuff like quantum mechanics as "Jewish physics" and tried to push crackpot notions about how race was a big deal in physics and math, with insidious Jews attempting to subvert reality itself. The Third Reich's decision to destroy hard science education by going after insanely talented Jewish scientists and other dumb moves (and really, education in general-officers in WWII constantly complained about the products of the Third Reich's school system not being up to snuff) kind of, sort of had big consequences, down to the international language of science changing. When Satyendra Bose submitted his seminal work in English in the 1920s, he had to ask Einstein to translate it into German for him, and J. Robert Oppenheimer got his PhD in Germany before going back to America to teach the revolution coming out of Central Europe.

    (German has a tendency for compound words that makes it a really great technical language.)

    Replies: @Realist

    I wouldn’t say they were afraid of physics, exactly, but the Nazis labeled stuff like quantum mechanics as “Jewish physics” and tried to push crackpot notions about how race was a big deal in physics and math, with insidious Jews attempting to subvert reality itself.

    Well race/ethnicity is a big deal in physics, math and all science…to the extent that intelligence is the dominant factor for success in STEM. Ashkenazi Jews have by far the highest average IQ…followed by East Asians, whites and blacks.

    The Third Reich’s decision to destroy hard science education by going after insanely talented Jewish scientists and other dumb moves (and really, education in general-officers in WWII constantly complained about the products of the Third Reich’s school system not being up to snuff) kind of, sort of had big consequences, down to the international language of science changing.

    The Third Reich obviously made some terrible mistakes Had Hitler not let his abject hatred of Jews overwhelm him. He could have purged them from positions of power, especially in finance, which was his main complaint. He could have benefited from their high intelligence in matters of science.

    If he had not became so power crazy and confined his territorial conquest to the areas wrongfully taken from Germany, instead of trying to take all of Europe…the Third Reich may well still be in control of Germany. Their architecture was excellent.

    Hitler became so overpowered by narcissism that he made petty delusions of grandeur become his downfall. An example is during the 1936 Olympics thinking that Germans could excel in all sports…he was humiliated by Jesse Owens. He wanted German people to be physically fit…which is the right thing to do. But to want them to be the best athletes in the world was a useless goal. Excelling at athletics in modern times is a useless endeavor…brain power is of utmost importance.

    Hitler should have confined his goals to righting the wrongs perpetrated against Germany after the First World War.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Realist


    he was humiliated by Jesse Owens
     
    This is just another one of those propaganda talking points of the day (hmm who created it), that have become accepted as ironclad historical facts today. If you read what was produced in Germany at the time covering Jesse Owens, it was not as the jews want you to think about it, he was generally well received in Germany, nor was Hitler enraged as the jews wanted to portray it.

    As for benefiting from the jew "high intelligence", this is yet another jew myth that people accept as gospel these days. The Third Reich produced many technological advancements after the jew was eliminated, the economy did remarkably as well after the jewish control over it was removed. The Third Reich did not happen to be blessed by the oil fields as the USA or USSR were, nothing to do with eugenics obviously.

    Replies: @Realist

  34. @songbird
    The American Civil War might be more accurately called the First War for African Equality.

    And alternatively, the 20th century could be called the Jewish century. I think this would be more accurate, since Jews were in a lot of places. Palestine, Russia, England, Germany, America, etc. And they helped develop the bomb.

    BTW, I think it is a bit too early to call the 21st century Chinese. I hope it is the Chinese century, but that depends on their political decisions for at least the next 50 years or more. It might be the century of poz or trannies or diversity.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    And alternatively, the 20th century could be called the Jewish century

    • Thanks: songbird
  35. China gonna spend trillions on gene editing so their kids can have blue eyes and blonde hair lmao

  36. @Intelligent Dasein
    @nebulafox


    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics that took place in Central Europe early in the 20th.
     
    Absolutely wrong.

    Modern biology is anti-knowledge: It's full of antecedent suppositions that are metaphysically incorrect. The same people who brought you a 100% record of wrong predictions concerning the Covid outbreak are the ones doing this "research," and they will not be transforming anything because they do not have an adequate first philosophy of living organisms.

    And the 21st century will not belong to China in any sense, either economically or militarily or culturally. China is the rump of a perished civilization; it is inert matter incapable of acting on its own. "China's rise" is an optical illusion created by the pathetic decline of the West in vitality and confidence. But real history, significant history, as it occurs in this era and on this planet, occurs only in Western lands. It would be more apt for future historians to refer to the 21st century as the "Period of Western Introversion." In the senescence of Faust, he turns inward to face Mephistopheles.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    Metaphysics?

    “Shut up and calculate.”

  37. Christianity is becoming a ghetto for dark skinned superstitious folks.

    The eugenics field is reappearing with science again.

    The next frontier is both AI & robotics and eugenics.

    America must follow China into eugenics.

    The Jews are an obstacle to this advancement.

    Their “racism” and IQ denial are a problem that must be removed.

    China, Japan and Korea will not allow any such nonsense.

    • Replies: @Michael S
    @Dr. Doom

    Are you kidding? Jews are on the frontier of eugenics. Genetic screening is dominated by Jews and all their weird hereditary diseases. 23andme was founded by a Jew. And the entire tribe has been deliberately endogamous with careful, calculated outmarriage for thousands of years (or at least it was until the 1960s or so). They may virtue-signal their asses off about it, but they love eugenics.

    True that they often call it by other names, but if you want the best results in the shortest time, you'll want to call up Dr. Moishe Goldfarb, not Dr. Otto von Flüchtschlict. Stupid Nazis had a totally incoherent theory of eugenics based on purity and aesthetics; Jews have been operating on a functional theory that Progressives in the early 20th century were desperate to copy because they thought it would finally achieve the Rousseauian Rational man, before the left got lefter and the study of eugenics (and Reason in general) was declared racist.

    All you have to do is tell the Jews that Don't Worry, Eugenics Are Good Now and (assuming they believe you) they can give you a whole instruction manual on it. Don't listen to the virtue-signaling. Judge people and tribes by their actions, not their words.

  38. 20 years ago I did some work for Historical Society in Charleston SC. People there referred to the civil war as “that recent unpleasantness”. I think the most accurate way to think about that unpleasantness is, the war to establish the incontestable domination of states by the Federal Government.

  39. @Dr. Doom
    Christianity is becoming a ghetto for dark skinned superstitious folks.

    The eugenics field is reappearing with science again.

    The next frontier is both AI & robotics and eugenics.

    America must follow China into eugenics.

    The Jews are an obstacle to this advancement.

    Their "racism" and IQ denial are a problem that must be removed.

    China, Japan and Korea will not allow any such nonsense.

    Replies: @Michael S

    Are you kidding? Jews are on the frontier of eugenics. Genetic screening is dominated by Jews and all their weird hereditary diseases. 23andme was founded by a Jew. And the entire tribe has been deliberately endogamous with careful, calculated outmarriage for thousands of years (or at least it was until the 1960s or so). They may virtue-signal their asses off about it, but they love eugenics.

    True that they often call it by other names, but if you want the best results in the shortest time, you’ll want to call up Dr. Moishe Goldfarb, not Dr. Otto von Flüchtschlict. Stupid Nazis had a totally incoherent theory of eugenics based on purity and aesthetics; Jews have been operating on a functional theory that Progressives in the early 20th century were desperate to copy because they thought it would finally achieve the Rousseauian Rational man, before the left got lefter and the study of eugenics (and Reason in general) was declared racist.

    All you have to do is tell the Jews that Don’t Worry, Eugenics Are Good Now and (assuming they believe you) they can give you a whole instruction manual on it. Don’t listen to the virtue-signaling. Judge people and tribes by their actions, not their words.

  40. @Realist
    @nebulafox


    I wouldn’t say they were afraid of physics, exactly, but the Nazis labeled stuff like quantum mechanics as “Jewish physics” and tried to push crackpot notions about how race was a big deal in physics and math, with insidious Jews attempting to subvert reality itself.
     
    Well race/ethnicity is a big deal in physics, math and all science...to the extent that intelligence is the dominant factor for success in STEM. Ashkenazi Jews have by far the highest average IQ...followed by East Asians, whites and blacks.

    The Third Reich’s decision to destroy hard science education by going after insanely talented Jewish scientists and other dumb moves (and really, education in general-officers in WWII constantly complained about the products of the Third Reich’s school system not being up to snuff) kind of, sort of had big consequences, down to the international language of science changing.
     
    The Third Reich obviously made some terrible mistakes Had Hitler not let his abject hatred of Jews overwhelm him. He could have purged them from positions of power, especially in finance, which was his main complaint. He could have benefited from their high intelligence in matters of science.

    If he had not became so power crazy and confined his territorial conquest to the areas wrongfully taken from Germany, instead of trying to take all of Europe...the Third Reich may well still be in control of Germany. Their architecture was excellent.

    Hitler became so overpowered by narcissism that he made petty delusions of grandeur become his downfall. An example is during the 1936 Olympics thinking that Germans could excel in all sports...he was humiliated by Jesse Owens. He wanted German people to be physically fit...which is the right thing to do. But to want them to be the best athletes in the world was a useless goal. Excelling at athletics in modern times is a useless endeavor...brain power is of utmost importance.

    Hitler should have confined his goals to righting the wrongs perpetrated against Germany after the First World War.

    Replies: @neutral

    he was humiliated by Jesse Owens

    This is just another one of those propaganda talking points of the day (hmm who created it), that have become accepted as ironclad historical facts today. If you read what was produced in Germany at the time covering Jesse Owens, it was not as the jews want you to think about it, he was generally well received in Germany, nor was Hitler enraged as the jews wanted to portray it.

    As for benefiting from the jew “high intelligence”, this is yet another jew myth that people accept as gospel these days. The Third Reich produced many technological advancements after the jew was eliminated, the economy did remarkably as well after the jewish control over it was removed. The Third Reich did not happen to be blessed by the oil fields as the USA or USSR were, nothing to do with eugenics obviously.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @neutral


    As for benefiting from the jew “high intelligence”, this is yet another jew myth that people accept as gospel these days.The Third Reich produced many technological advancements after the jew was eliminated, the economy did remarkably as well after the jewish control over it was removed.
     
    I understand you hate everything about Jews, but that does not negate the fact that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any ethnic group. The technological advancements were not made because the Jews were eliminated. I agree that when Jews are allowed unfettered control especially of finances, they take advantage of goyim. But my point is the Jews did not have to be eliminated they could have been forbidden access to power positions. The Germans lost all support from the civilized world, because of their poor treatment of the Jews, and their overreach in territorial conquest.

    How did Jews get so much control over Gentiles without their acquiescence?

    You are anything but neutral.

  41. @iffen
    Something like the War for Southern Secession seems most apt

    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @nebulafox, @Adam Smith, @anonymous, @anonymous

    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?

    No. It was not.

    The war resulted mostly from causes unrelated to slavery and abolition. It was a consequence of the Southern states’ secession, which occurred despite the fact that the slave states could not have hoped for better protection of slavery than that afforded by the U. S. Constitution, provided they remained in the Union.

    While the issue of slavery was, in fact, a concern for the slave states, the secessionist movement began decades before the Civil War.

    “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” – Abraham Lincoln

    Contemporary newspapers from the North, South, and Europe all tell of a “tariff war,” not the popularly held propaganda that the war was a a noble crusade to “free the slaves”.

    In 1860, nearly all federal tax revenue was generated by tariffs. The Southern states were paying the majority of the tariffs (approximately 80%), and an impending new tariff would nearly triple the taxation rate. Much of the tax revenues collected from imports in the South went to Northern industrial interests and had been for decades.

    In 1828, Congress passed a tariff of 62%, which applied to nearly all imported goods. The purpose of the tariff was to protect Northern industries from low-priced imported goods. But it effectively increased the cost of goods for the South, which relied heavily on imported goods. At the same time, the tariff reduced the amount of British goods sold to the South, effectively making it more difficult for the British to pay for Southern cotton.

    Charles Dickens, from his journal All the Year Round, observed, “The last grievance of the South was the Morrill tariff, passed as an election bribe to the State of Pennsylvania, imposing, among other things, a duty of no less than fifty per cent on the importation of pig iron, in which that State is especially interested.”

    On December 20, 1860, South Carolina voted unanimously to secede. Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, and Louisiana soon followed, and before Lincoln’s inauguration, Texas and Georgia were added to the list.

    At the outset of the war, Lincoln called on volunteers from all states to “put down the rebellion.” Refusing to bear arms against their Southern brethren, Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, and Tennessee seceded.

    I agree with Anon[182] (comment #2)…

    “The War of Northern Aggression” is technically accurate, but the “War Against Southern Independence” might be more palatable.

    “The War to Deny the South Their Rights to Self Determination, Freedom of Association and to Throw Off the Shackles of the Existing “government” and Form a New One That Suits Them Better” is just too damn wordy.

    Perhaps we can call it something like “The War to Keep Southerners in Bondage to Northern Industrial Interests” or more simply “The War to Prevent Southern Secession”?

    The idea that the so called “Civil War” was some sort of a morality play about freeing southern slaves is a powerful ideological distortion that is not historically accurate or grounded in reality.

    • Agree: A123
    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @A123
    @Adam Smith


    The idea that the so called “Civil War” was some sort of a morality play about freeing southern slaves is a powerful ideological distortion that is not historically accurate or grounded in reality.
     
    Exactly correct.

    The myths that people believe about the Civil War, and much of U.S. History, show how far that U.S. K-12 education has fallen.

    Burning books does not change the history. Ditto for tearing down statues. Refusing to learn ACTUAL history leads to unnecessarily repeating prior mistakes.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    https://i.redd.it/crovyp58q0f51.png
  42. @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @advancedatheist


    Westerners feel uneasy about engineering life because we inherited a superstitious belief about the origin of life via Christianity
     
    Says the superstitious troglodyte who anthropomorphizes computers, and thinks qualia burst spontaneously from dumb matter via the mystical force of natural selection. Sorry to break it to you kiddo, that magic box you use to spew your pea brain opinions doesn't actually have a mind, and the little man who reads the news isn't actually in your tv.
    Computing is an analogue to the mind as much as the steam engine is.

    This raises the question, could an atheist ever raise a relevant point, or is it all always complete inconsistent shit?

    Replies: @Ian Smith

  43. @Cloudbuster
    @Twinkie

    (the GOP is now clearly a party of rural whites while the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers)

    Trump won the demographic "college-educated Whites" in 2016.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Trump won the demographic “college-educated Whites” in 2016.

    Yes, I am aware. Please read what I wrote:

    the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers

    Also look at the trend lines from the past through the 2018 midterms.

  44. @Adam Smith
    @iffen


    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?
     
    No. It was not.

    The war resulted mostly from causes unrelated to slavery and abolition. It was a consequence of the Southern states' secession, which occurred despite the fact that the slave states could not have hoped for better protection of slavery than that afforded by the U. S. Constitution, provided they remained in the Union.

    While the issue of slavery was, in fact, a concern for the slave states, the secessionist movement began decades before the Civil War.

    "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." - Abraham Lincoln
     
    Contemporary newspapers from the North, South, and Europe all tell of a “tariff war,” not the popularly held propaganda that the war was a a noble crusade to "free the slaves”.

    In 1860, nearly all federal tax revenue was generated by tariffs. The Southern states were paying the majority of the tariffs (approximately 80%), and an impending new tariff would nearly triple the taxation rate. Much of the tax revenues collected from imports in the South went to Northern industrial interests and had been for decades.

    In 1828, Congress passed a tariff of 62%, which applied to nearly all imported goods. The purpose of the tariff was to protect Northern industries from low-priced imported goods. But it effectively increased the cost of goods for the South, which relied heavily on imported goods. At the same time, the tariff reduced the amount of British goods sold to the South, effectively making it more difficult for the British to pay for Southern cotton.

    Charles Dickens, from his journal All the Year Round, observed, “The last grievance of the South was the Morrill tariff, passed as an election bribe to the State of Pennsylvania, imposing, among other things, a duty of no less than fifty per cent on the importation of pig iron, in which that State is especially interested.”

    On December 20, 1860, South Carolina voted unanimously to secede. Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, and Louisiana soon followed, and before Lincoln’s inauguration, Texas and Georgia were added to the list.

    At the outset of the war, Lincoln called on volunteers from all states to “put down the rebellion.” Refusing to bear arms against their Southern brethren, Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, and Tennessee seceded.

    I agree with Anon[182] (comment #2)...

    “The War of Northern Aggression” is technically accurate, but the “War Against Southern Independence” might be more palatable.
     
    "The War to Deny the South Their Rights to Self Determination, Freedom of Association and to Throw Off the Shackles of the Existing "government" and Form a New One That Suits Them Better" is just too damn wordy.

    Perhaps we can call it something like "The War to Keep Southerners in Bondage to Northern Industrial Interests" or more simply "The War to Prevent Southern Secession"?

    The idea that the so called "Civil War" was some sort of a morality play about freeing southern slaves is a powerful ideological distortion that is not historically accurate or grounded in reality.

    Replies: @A123

    The idea that the so called “Civil War” was some sort of a morality play about freeing southern slaves is a powerful ideological distortion that is not historically accurate or grounded in reality.

    Exactly correct.

    The myths that people believe about the Civil War, and much of U.S. History, show how far that U.S. K-12 education has fallen.

    Burning books does not change the history. Ditto for tearing down statues. Refusing to learn ACTUAL history leads to unnecessarily repeating prior mistakes.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  45. @Intelligent Dasein
    @nebulafox


    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics that took place in Central Europe early in the 20th.
     
    Absolutely wrong.

    Modern biology is anti-knowledge: It's full of antecedent suppositions that are metaphysically incorrect. The same people who brought you a 100% record of wrong predictions concerning the Covid outbreak are the ones doing this "research," and they will not be transforming anything because they do not have an adequate first philosophy of living organisms.

    And the 21st century will not belong to China in any sense, either economically or militarily or culturally. China is the rump of a perished civilization; it is inert matter incapable of acting on its own. "China's rise" is an optical illusion created by the pathetic decline of the West in vitality and confidence. But real history, significant history, as it occurs in this era and on this planet, occurs only in Western lands. It would be more apt for future historians to refer to the 21st century as the "Period of Western Introversion." In the senescence of Faust, he turns inward to face Mephistopheles.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    Modern biology is anti-knowledge: It’s full of antecedent suppositions that are metaphysically incorrect. The same people who brought you a 100% record of wrong predictions concerning the Covid outbreak are the ones doing this “research,” and they will not be transforming anything because they do not have an adequate first philosophy of living organisms.

    I guess you won’t be availing yourself to any medical intervention then. Wait till you get older.

    But real history, significant history, as it occurs in this era and on this planet, occurs only in Western lands.

    The religion to which both you and I subscribe didn’t start in the West and neither was civilization invented there. That alone should tell you something about history.

    History of civilization is essentially that of the rise and decline of various Eurasian peoples, alternating based on various contingent factors. As much as I want the West to continue to dominate and lead the world, it is not “destined” to do so and your delusional attitude is similar to that of the Easterners who buried their heads in the sand of past glory and who thought the Western barbarians couldn’t possibly exceed their ancient, “superior” civilization.

    • Agree: Yahya K., dfordoom
  46. William Hartwell Pewitt — 20th Tennessee Infantry

    I am from Southern old stock but it’s too frigging hot and humid down there!

    Evil plutocrats from Boston and New York and Philadelphia and parts of avaricious Hell northward used their nasty corporate lawyer functionary — ApeMan Lincoln — and they started and deliberately provoked the WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION and the Southern states just wanted to peacefully secede from the money-grubbing Northern plutocrats.

    Ordinary Northern troops fought honorably as did the Southerners but Seward had the solution and the plutocrats disregarded the New Yorker. Seward said invade Mexico again and cut it out with this Civil War horseshit. I might have got my history a bit wrong; but it makes a good story.

    Why is there no Southern Anglo-Celtic old stocker on the US Supreme Court?

    Puerto Ricans and Jews and Catholic beer swillers and a Black boob, but no Peckerwood Anglo-Celtic Southern Man?

    ABOLISH THE US SUPREME COURT NOW!

    Whites Without College Degrees are telling Trump and the rancid Republican Party to go phuck off.

    Trump and the rancid Republican Party have stabbed White Core America in the back and the voters of White Core America will return the favor by sitting out the November 3 election.

  47. @iffen
    Something like the War for Southern Secession seems most apt

    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @nebulafox, @Adam Smith, @anonymous, @anonymous

    Why did Mr. Lincoln in 1863 purport to emancipate only the slaves in the Confederacy, and continue to preside over a government that enforced slavery in non-seceding states?

  48. @Twinkie

    This was true of several states with mountain men who didn’t want to be corralled with a bunch of colored folk and their keepers.
     
    A similar dynamic is at work today in several states. In the past, despite the inevitable cultural and political differences between urban and rural America, the two were able to coexist and "leave each other alone" to some extent. And the political allegiances were less stark and more complicated - there were plenty of rural Democrats and urban Republicans. So while the coastal urban elites dominated the major institutions in the country, the "flyover" area exerted enough political clout to have a significant say in the overall cultural ethos; meanwhile, the suburbs existed as a centrist, neutral territory that were often the kingmakers in politics.

    Unfortunately, the social upheavals of the the 60's and the 70's, the sustained narcotics and crime spikes of the 80's, and the rise of endless wars in the aftermath of 9/11 and the rise of the information technology and its purveyors dramatically altered the equilibrium of the past.

    The consequences were - among many others - that, until the recent chaos, many tech-oriented urban areas became dramatically rich and hyper-leftist ("Woke," if you will). Suburban areas that were once traditionally center-right have become center-left, a trend that has accelerated significantly along with the rise of Trumpism (the GOP is now clearly a party of rural whites while the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers). Indeed, those rural whites now feel that not only are they politically and economically marginalized, but are literally being invaded by urban and suburban transplants and having their way of life destroyed - that they are not being given even the option of being left alone to their own devices (let alone impose their views on the urbanites as is often fantasized by the left).

    These are some of the thoughts that came to my mind as I read this article: https://www.thelily.com/a-battle-between-farmers-and-trust-fund-hippies-how-a-170-foot-trump-sign-is-dividing-one-virginia-county/

    One of the concluding lines of the article captured the sense of political marginalization and ideological oppression feared by the defeated in the culture war:

    “Could you imagine being so worried about what someone does on their property that you come on to Facebook?” commented Emmans, the farm hand and mother of 10. “Next they’re going to be concerned about what we do in our bedroom.”
     
    I share their sentiment. I want to be left alone by the Woketariat. I am perfectly willing to let them be as they are too. It's a big country and we don't have to fight or even be near each other. But they don't seem to be able to help themselves. Sensing that they have won and can impose their kind of peace upon the defeated, they seem intent on NOT letting me (and others like me) be.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Wilma C., @anon

    I want to be left alone by the Woketariat. I am perfectly willing to let them be as they are too. It’s a big country and we don’t have to fight or even be near each other. But they don’t seem to be able to help themselves. Sensing that they have won and can impose their kind of peace upon the defeated, they seem intent on NOT letting me (and others like me) be.

    The other day Revolver.news featured a video of Fulton Sheen which they said could’ve been made yesterday. The whole program was fascinating. In part of it Sheen talks about modern revolutionaries and discusses their characteristics. Namely that it’s directed by the elites and has as its m.o., “todo y nada”. As Sheen explains this, “It’s my will or nothing. This is what the elites insist upon. No alternative, no compromise. They would wipe the slate clean of anything that opposes them.”

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Wilma C.

    Archbishop Fulton was quite something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_J._Sheen


    According to the foreword written for a 2008 edition of Sheen's autobiography, Treasure in Clay: The Autobiography of Fulton J. Sheen, Catholic journalist Raymond Arroyo wrote why Sheen "retired" from hosting Life is Worth Living "at the height of its popularity ... [when] an estimated 30 million viewers and listeners tuned in each week."[31] Arroyo wrote that "It is widely believed that Cardinal Spellman drove Sheen off the air."[31]

    Arroyo relates that: "In the late 1950s the government donated millions of dollars' worth of powdered milk to the New York Archdiocese. In turn, Cardinal Spellman handed that milk over to the Society for the Propagation of the Faith to distribute to the poor of the world. On at least one occasion he demanded that the director of the Society, Bishop Sheen, pay the Archdiocese for the donated milk. He wanted millions of dollars. Despite Cardinal Spellman's considerable powers of persuasion and influence in Rome, Sheen refused. These were funds donated by the public to the missions, funds Sheen himself had personally contributed to and raised over the airwaves. He felt an obligation to protect them, even from the itchy fingers of his own Cardinal."[31]

    Spellman later took the issue directly to Pope Pius XII, pleading his case with Sheen present. The Pope sided with Sheen. Spellman later confronted Sheen, stating, "I will get even with you. It may take six months or ten years, but everyone will know what you are like."[31] Besides being pressured to leave television, Sheen also "found himself unwelcome in the churches of New York City. Spellman cancelled Sheen's annual Good Friday sermons at St. Patrick's Cathedral and discouraged clergy from befriending the Bishop."[31] In 1966, Spellman had Sheen reassigned to Rochester, New York, and caused his leadership at the Society for the Propagation of the Faith to be terminated (a position he had held for 16 years and raised hundreds of millions of dollars for, to which he had personally donated US$10 million of his own earnings).[31] On December 2, 1967, Spellman died in New York City.

    Sheen never talked about the situation, only making vague references to his "trials both inside and outside the Church."[31] He even went so far as to praise Spellman in his autobiography.[31]
     
  49. The future is unstable. We are now back to the good old times of Mutual Assured Destruction only with hotter, faster weapons.

    In refusing to extend New START, the US puts the world on the path of collective suicide

    The US economy is undergoing a fundamental realignment, both in terms of how it operates internally and how it interfaces with the rest of the world. The social demands created by an economy that can only function through massive infusions of government stimulus, and a healthcare system that, for many Americans, exists in name only, cannot be funded by endless borrowing, especially when one of the largest consumers of American debt, China, is engaged in a trade war in which dumping US debt is very much on the table.

    In the very near future, US politicians will be confronted with the kind of existential crisis that all empires in decline eventually face, where, regardless of the decision taken, there is nothing that can be done to recover from the mess they themselves have made. The idea that the US Congress will continue to fund a new generation of strategic nuclear weapons under these conditions is absurd. This doesn’t mean, however, that the crisis has been averted – far from it.

    The most charitable explanation is that the US now believes its own bullshit about having wrecked the Soviet Union through an arms race and now wants to repeat the show with Russia, not considering that the Northern hemisphere can be seen glowing from Mars only through sheer, improbable lucky happenstance.

  50. @Twinkie

    Eugenics does not have the same stigma in East Asia that it does in the West: most parents would not hesitate to abort retarded children, even in Japan or Korea
     
    I broadly agree with nebulabox on the the ethics landscape regarding eugenics in East Asia. However, China, Japan, and South Korea are not identical and have very different ethical and religious landscapes.

    Japan is a "strange" country in that it has a relatively high degree of stable ethical and social conformity, yet a very low degree of religiousity. Most Japanese subscribe very loosely to some combination of Buddhism and Shintoism (which is really animism at its core); Christians are only 1.5% of the population. Abortion is technically illegal, but exceptions are numerous and broad, so it is, in effect, legal.

    China is similarly irreligious; most Chinese are either unaffiliated or adhere to some vague folk religions. Christians are about 5% of the population (though they may be much greater in number and whatever the actual number is today, it is growing). It is also a country in turmoil in ethical terms - as a fast developing society that is shedding former communist repression, it has yet to find a stable bearing on what constitutes good morality. Abortion is legal and freely available.

    South Korea is somewhat different. Rather like its one-time sponsor, the United States, its predominant religion in Protestant Christianity (Christians are about 30% of the public). Indeed South Koreans are notable for their Christian fervor (they field the greatest number of Christian missionaries in the world after the United States) and the landscape of its capital, Seoul, is dotted with numerous churches. Nonetheless, the fraction of the religiously unaffiliated is rising rapidly (now over 50%). As in the U.S., there is something of a cultural and political war between the secular liberals and Christian conservatives there (the latest flashpoint on which is the coronavirus - the secular left there is on the warpath against churches as irresponsible incubators of the virus transmission). Abortion is illegal in most cases; however, hospitals and clinics are reputed to violate the ban, so reliable statistics are virtually impossible to obtain. Recently, the courts in South Korea found the ban to be unconstitutional and legal liberalization of abortion is expected this year.


    distinction between Occident and Orient
     
    I don't deny that there are some broad dissimilarities between "the Occident and the Orient," but there are enough cultural and religious idiosyncrasies among different countries of the Orient (or the Occident, for that matter, say Great Britain vs. Italy or Spain vs. Germany) that one ought be careful about applying broad brushstrokes in most discussions.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Wyatt, @Svevlad

    Don’t forget North Korea where the only allowed religion (not counting atheism) is Orthodoxy, and apparently it’s growing. Which is a far more robust and “statist” form of Christianity (unlike the Papacy, it had far, far less worldly power). They’ll stick with whoever is in power as long as they’re not attacked (see: Montenegro). They can complain with morally “dubious” practices like abortion or eugenics, but they’re very pragmatic so it’s just symbolism.

    Unlike catholics and protestantoids which kvetch and seethe and moan about everything and then go back to sucking israeli dick, molesting boys (a pedo AND gay, how quaint) and throwing “schismatics” into pits and other atrocities.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Svevlad

    North Korea where the only allowed religion (not counting atheism) is Orthodoxy,

    This is false. Even the Wiki summary is more accurate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_North_Korea

  51. Trump and the rancid Republican Party have stabbed White Core America in the back and the voters of White Core America will return the favor by sitting out the November 3 election.

    Trump and the rancid Republican Party would be lucky to have the White voters in White Core America sit out the November 3 election; but obviously it would be worse if a large percentage of White voters of White Core America went for Biden.

    The double whammy of losing large percentages of White votes in the crucial Electoral College states of the Great Lakes and Florida and Arizona and those voters voting for Biden and the Democrat Party would destroy the treasonous Republican Party.

    Whites Without College Degrees in the Great Lakes states and Greedy White Geezers in Florida and Arizona have had enough of the weak blustery outgassing of Trump and the rancid Republican Party.

    WHITE VOTES MATTER

    WHITE VOTES MATTER and Trump and the rancid Republican Party and Jared Kushner and Mitch McConnell and Parscale and McCarthy and all the rest of the treasonous slob politicians in the rancid Republican Party can go straight to Hell!

    DO NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP AND THE RANCID REPUBLICAN PARTY!

    DON’T VOTE FOR THE DERANGED DEMOCRAT PARTY!

    Vote for CHARLES PEWITT as a write-in candidate for president of the USA on November 3.

    I wrote this on September 8:

    Trump is electoral toast on November 3; and the rancid Republican Party will go the way of the DODO on November 3.

    Trump and Marco Rubio and Teddy “Goldman Sachs Hubby” Cruz, Willard Mittens Romney, Mitch McConnell, Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, and most of the other evil politician whores who infest the Republican Party all push mass legal immigration and they all refuse to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    Trump will get electorally crushed in Los Angeles County and all parts of New York City except Staten Island and Trump will lose the crucial Electoral College states of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Michigan and Florida and Arizona to Biden.

    We are at a moment that all the Founding Fathers would celebrate: the ultimate destruction of an evil and treasonous globalizer faction called the Republican Party. The Founding Fathers would be joyous and grimly determined to take advantage of the utter destruction of the evil and rancid and treasonous Republican Party and they would join us to build a newer and stronger and more beautifully balanced political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA that will proudly advance the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    The rancid Republican Party is grotesque and unbalanced and ugly, and it is led by shyster globalizer billionaires and globalizer politician whore scum and its destruction that shall pave the way for the historic American nation to reclaim its rightful inheritance. The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire must be financially liquidated — legally — and they must be legally and forcibly deported to a hot and humid and rancid part of sub-Saharan Africa.

    I humbly ask you to vote for the only patriotic candidate for president, me, CHARLES PEWITT, as a write-in candidate on November 3.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/trumps-election-night-triumph-becomes-a-nightmare/#comment-4151415

  52. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    This was true of several states with mountain men who didn’t want to be corralled with a bunch of colored folk and their keepers.
     
    A similar dynamic is at work today in several states. In the past, despite the inevitable cultural and political differences between urban and rural America, the two were able to coexist and "leave each other alone" to some extent. And the political allegiances were less stark and more complicated - there were plenty of rural Democrats and urban Republicans. So while the coastal urban elites dominated the major institutions in the country, the "flyover" area exerted enough political clout to have a significant say in the overall cultural ethos; meanwhile, the suburbs existed as a centrist, neutral territory that were often the kingmakers in politics.

    Unfortunately, the social upheavals of the the 60's and the 70's, the sustained narcotics and crime spikes of the 80's, and the rise of endless wars in the aftermath of 9/11 and the rise of the information technology and its purveyors dramatically altered the equilibrium of the past.

    The consequences were - among many others - that, until the recent chaos, many tech-oriented urban areas became dramatically rich and hyper-leftist ("Woke," if you will). Suburban areas that were once traditionally center-right have become center-left, a trend that has accelerated significantly along with the rise of Trumpism (the GOP is now clearly a party of rural whites while the Democrats increasingly reign supreme among college-educated suburban dwellers). Indeed, those rural whites now feel that not only are they politically and economically marginalized, but are literally being invaded by urban and suburban transplants and having their way of life destroyed - that they are not being given even the option of being left alone to their own devices (let alone impose their views on the urbanites as is often fantasized by the left).

    These are some of the thoughts that came to my mind as I read this article: https://www.thelily.com/a-battle-between-farmers-and-trust-fund-hippies-how-a-170-foot-trump-sign-is-dividing-one-virginia-county/

    One of the concluding lines of the article captured the sense of political marginalization and ideological oppression feared by the defeated in the culture war:

    “Could you imagine being so worried about what someone does on their property that you come on to Facebook?” commented Emmans, the farm hand and mother of 10. “Next they’re going to be concerned about what we do in our bedroom.”
     
    I share their sentiment. I want to be left alone by the Woketariat. I am perfectly willing to let them be as they are too. It's a big country and we don't have to fight or even be near each other. But they don't seem to be able to help themselves. Sensing that they have won and can impose their kind of peace upon the defeated, they seem intent on NOT letting me (and others like me) be.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Wilma C., @anon

    Agree – the current political divide is as much city vs country as anything else. Here in Washington state the votes are roughly King County vs the rest of the state, or at least west of the mountains vs east of the mountains. Portland and the rest of Oregon have a similar dynamic.

  53. Mr. Pewitt, you have no chance of being elected and you know it.

    Trump is clearly the lesser of two evils compared to Kamala Harris.

    Biden is a Trojan Horse candidate.

    Jews are all in favor of science for themselves only.

    Here in the Western World, they are an obstacle to progress.

    Their mad dreams of having brown slaves precludes allowing such science to benefit US.

    In Truth, they are destroying the Whole World with their predilections.

    Satan’s promises to them ensure the Death of Everyone if it comes to that.

  54. @neutral
    @Realist


    he was humiliated by Jesse Owens
     
    This is just another one of those propaganda talking points of the day (hmm who created it), that have become accepted as ironclad historical facts today. If you read what was produced in Germany at the time covering Jesse Owens, it was not as the jews want you to think about it, he was generally well received in Germany, nor was Hitler enraged as the jews wanted to portray it.

    As for benefiting from the jew "high intelligence", this is yet another jew myth that people accept as gospel these days. The Third Reich produced many technological advancements after the jew was eliminated, the economy did remarkably as well after the jewish control over it was removed. The Third Reich did not happen to be blessed by the oil fields as the USA or USSR were, nothing to do with eugenics obviously.

    Replies: @Realist

    As for benefiting from the jew “high intelligence”, this is yet another jew myth that people accept as gospel these days.The Third Reich produced many technological advancements after the jew was eliminated, the economy did remarkably as well after the jewish control over it was removed.

    I understand you hate everything about Jews, but that does not negate the fact that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any ethnic group. The technological advancements were not made because the Jews were eliminated. I agree that when Jews are allowed unfettered control especially of finances, they take advantage of goyim. But my point is the Jews did not have to be eliminated they could have been forbidden access to power positions. The Germans lost all support from the civilized world, because of their poor treatment of the Jews, and their overreach in territorial conquest.

    How did Jews get so much control over Gentiles without their acquiescence?

    You are anything but neutral.

  55. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Absolute garbage.

    Biological sciences have failed to produce anything substantial over the last quarter-century. Stem cell research didn’t pan out, by and large. Genetic engineering has been a disappointment. Even chemical methods are beginning to fail.

    No country on Earth has the money for a war, a bioscience revolution, or even a coronavirus vaccination program. Modern medical science in general is beginning to look as though it is running on empty.

    Besides, what would eugenics even do? Women aren’t reproducing. Last I checked, according tonMengqiao Wang, the fertility rate in China’s eastern provinces (where the Han live) is 1.1 births per woman, and getting worse every year. There’s no eugenics to be done in a stagnant population (this kind of fertility rate is by itself dystenic; see Michael Lynch’s comments on equilibration of family sizes re: experiments on drosophilia, in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4788123/)

    The Chinese economy is imperiled by domestic and edternally imposed challenges, their military sucks and is failing in the West, they have shit fertility, their upper classes continue to flee elsewhere, and there’s no reason to believe any of these conditions will improve in the future.

    So it’s just ridiculous to see someone like Audacious Epigone parroting this dead “Chinese century” meme that was created by incels who don’t even believe it anymore. So far, no one has stepped up to produce a viable alternative to Western liberal globohomo, and that’s no surprise as the architects behind it are still the smartest, most competent people on Earth. You’re shitting yourself if you claim that the contemporary world order showed up a mere 30 years ago and produced the greatest most stable conditions the world has ever known, only to falter and suddenly be replaced by the sick man of history.

    No, dummies. China is stagnating and even stumbling.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    Biological sciences have failed to produce anything substantial over the last quarter-century. Stem cell research didn’t pan out, by and large.

    Absolute garbage.

    Even chemical methods are beginning to fail.

    What does that even mean?

    No country on Earth has the money for a war, a bioscience revolution, or even a coronavirus vaccination program.

    Your ignorance is vast. Try learning something sometime. Look up "senolytic", for example.

    Replies: @Anon

  56. The advances were made without jews, they would definitely not be needed to make anything from nuclear weapons, space flight to computers in the Third Reich, no different to how places like China or Japan need jews to make all the stuff they produce there.

    Jews are good at cooking the books, I will give them that, their arguments that they are run Hollywood/Wall Street/Academia because they are so clever (not because they are part of a tight knit ethnic cabal choosing their own) are as believable as all the other narratives they spin. They never did produce anyone equivalent to a Gauss, Newton, Aristotle, Leibniz, Michaelangelo, etc, this does not strike me as being the worlds cleverest people.

  57. @Svevlad
    @Twinkie

    Don't forget North Korea where the only allowed religion (not counting atheism) is Orthodoxy, and apparently it's growing. Which is a far more robust and "statist" form of Christianity (unlike the Papacy, it had far, far less worldly power). They'll stick with whoever is in power as long as they're not attacked (see: Montenegro). They can complain with morally "dubious" practices like abortion or eugenics, but they're very pragmatic so it's just symbolism.

    Unlike catholics and protestantoids which kvetch and seethe and moan about everything and then go back to sucking israeli dick, molesting boys (a pedo AND gay, how quaint) and throwing "schismatics" into pits and other atrocities.

    Replies: @anon

    North Korea where the only allowed religion (not counting atheism) is Orthodoxy,

    This is false. Even the Wiki summary is more accurate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_North_Korea

  58. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Absolute garbage.


    Biological sciences have failed to produce anything substantial over the last quarter-century. Stem cell research didn't pan out, by and large. Genetic engineering has been a disappointment. Even chemical methods are beginning to fail.

    No country on Earth has the money for a war, a bioscience revolution, or even a coronavirus vaccination program. Modern medical science in general is beginning to look as though it is running on empty.

    Besides, what would eugenics even do? Women aren't reproducing. Last I checked, according tonMengqiao Wang, the fertility rate in China's eastern provinces (where the Han live) is 1.1 births per woman, and getting worse every year. There's no eugenics to be done in a stagnant population (this kind of fertility rate is by itself dystenic; see Michael Lynch's comments on equilibration of family sizes re: experiments on drosophilia, in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4788123/)

    The Chinese economy is imperiled by domestic and edternally imposed challenges, their military sucks and is failing in the West, they have shit fertility, their upper classes continue to flee elsewhere, and there's no reason to believe any of these conditions will improve in the future.

    So it's just ridiculous to see someone like Audacious Epigone parroting this dead "Chinese century" meme that was created by incels who don't even believe it anymore. So far, no one has stepped up to produce a viable alternative to Western liberal globohomo, and that's no surprise as the architects behind it are still the smartest, most competent people on Earth. You're shitting yourself if you claim that the contemporary world order showed up a mere 30 years ago and produced the greatest most stable conditions the world has ever known, only to falter and suddenly be replaced by the sick man of history.


    No, dummies. China is stagnating and even stumbling.

    Replies: @anon

    Biological sciences have failed to produce anything substantial over the last quarter-century. Stem cell research didn’t pan out, by and large.

    Absolute garbage.

    Even chemical methods are beginning to fail.

    What does that even mean?

    No country on Earth has the money for a war, a bioscience revolution, or even a coronavirus vaccination program.

    Your ignorance is vast. Try learning something sometime. Look up “senolytic”, for example.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon

    I looked up your shitty senolytics. I found nothing but bad news.


    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3606130-unity-biotech-down-48-premarket-on-stumble-lead-drug


    Unity Biotech down 48% premarket on stumble with lead drug


    Unity Biotechnology's (NASDAQ:UBX) lead candidate UBX0101, a p53/MDM2 interaction inhibitor, failed to sufficiently separate from placebo at week 12 in a Phase 2 clinical trial in patients with moderate-to-severe osteoarthritis of the knee. Specifically, there was no statistically significant difference between any of the three dose arms and the control arm as measured by the primary endpoint, a scale called WOMAC-A.
     

    Just 1 momth later, Unity cuts 30% of its staff:


    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3614222-unity-to-slash-headcount-30-keeps-focus-on-eye-drug-candidate

    So yeah, it's the same stalling R&D that promises big but leads to nothing but broken dreams and poverty. Just like stem cell research has.


    If you invested in biomedical research in the 21st century, you are looking like the fool ass idiot you are now. You should have listened to wiser men such as myself. Now you're fixing to be homeless for the winter.

    Replies: @anon

  59. The myth of Jewish IQ is just that – a MYTH.

    If they really were a 15 IQ points ahead, then we would have universal IQ testing.

    Its only VERBAL IQ where Jews are 115. Lying by omission and selecting facts.

    This myth is however NECESSARY to hide the COLLUSION of Jews.

    Its COLLUSION and Special Favors that put Jews in charge of things.

    The supposedly high IQ doesn’t show up in testing apparently.

    That’s why IQ has become a dirty word.

    YOU REALLY DIDN’T THINK IT WAS ABOUT BLACKS DID YOU?

    These “minority” rights are all about Jews. The blacks are just “useful idiots”.

  60. I knew that this would happen at some point. Most commenters are on the CTI list.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @iffen

    Credit Technology, Inc.?
    Co-Active Training Institute?
    Computer Telephony Integration?

  61. @iffen
    I knew that this would happen at some point. Most commenters are on the CTI list.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    Credit Technology, Inc.?
    Co-Active Training Institute?
    Computer Telephony Integration?

    • LOL: iffen
  62. There’s a big difference between the morality of the affluent and the morality that the affluent push on the masses.

    Of course the affluent are going to grab every edge they can for their own kids, everything from pseudo-arranged marriages to prenatal “editing.” Meanwhile, they’re morally insistent on encouraging everybody else’s right to breed as indiscriminately as possible, and either throw away the products or end up on the government payroll.

    They’re publicly all for allowing any disease or malformation to get passed along indefinitely, because the next best thing to a tax slave is a tax recipient. Why bother with sending undesirables to work camps when you can make the world your work camp, and let the undesirables believe they’re free? Eugenics for me and not for thee.

  63. The Chinese have preformed millions of sex selective abortions. This makes me have great animosity towards Chinese people (but not Asians in general). There is a female shortage (not including the elderly where there is a surplus of women) in most of the world. China has exasperated this problem. Millions of Chinese men will never find a mate. If the Chinese are so smart why didn’t they consider the misery this will cause? As there were killing baby girls in massive numbers they must never have thought once about how it impacts the sexual marketplace.

    I don’t like the Chinese attitude that boys are worth having but not girls. This is so offensive to me that I am cheering on increasing U.S/Chinese hostilities (even if it has nothing to do with sex selective abortions). I am comforted by the fact that even Democrats are becoming anti-Chinese which is surprising to me.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Jay Fink

    Well, Singapore's Han dominated government incessantly propagandized smiling two daughter families during the 1970s specifically to prevent this from happening. Regarding the minorities, India is also a major offender here, so safe to presume they were also intended as a target.

    (Ironically, Malays were the least likely to do this precisely thanks to their religious beliefs. Islamic social norms mostly lead to heartbreaking sucky situations for Malay women, particularly well educated ones, but to give them their due, children are viewed as a gift from Allah, so sex selective abortion is viewed as profoundly morally abhorrent in a way that has no analogue with Chinese or Hindus. Also, there are a lot of conservative Chinese Christians in Singapore that would never engage in such practices for moral reasons, either, and they had quite large families back in the day.)

    I think attitudes have changed in the PRC a lot over the last decade here, but too little, too late. Having tons of bare branches around combined with bad times and an inept government has led to some of China's most explosive historical moments, something I am sure Beijing is vividly aware of. Probably part of why they do not tolerare too much incompetence.

  64. Let the out-group abort, and ban the in-group from doing so. Best of both worlds.

  65. @iffen
    Something like the War for Southern Secession seems most apt

    How about The War to Preserve Slavery, which is what it was?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @nebulafox, @Adam Smith, @anonymous, @anonymous

    Are you researching my question?

  66. Mr. Fink, the Chinese are a pragmatic lot.

    Those boys without girls would make a large army.

    Unmarried males are a problem. War could be an easy solution.

    Taiwan, sub-Saharan Africa and other places where the Chinese have a vital interest.

    Africa is rich in unmined resources. They are also heavily in debt.

    Chinese expansion into Africa could be loans first and armies later to collect.

    The United States and EU are not much in a position to do anything nowadays.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Dr. Doom

    I half suspect-not seriously-that China's pseudo colonization of Africa is one way they intend to dump off surplus males. Much like the postwar USSR, Africa has the opposite gender imbalance problem thanks to all the wars killing off a lot of young men.

    At least China is wealthy enough for bottom tier rural men to import brides from places like Vietnam now. India has a similar imbalance... now THAT is going to be ugly.

    Replies: @anon, @bro3886

  67. @nebulafox
    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics that took place in Central Europe early in the 20th. As a result of the long shadow of WWII and the Cold War, we're still thinking space, nuclear weapons, and theoretical physicists scribbling away exotic looking equations. Not the case.

    Even in physics, the majority of theorists are as much computational specialists as anything, and biophysics is probably the most vibrant subfield in physics out there.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Twinkie

    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics

    That may be. But I think that where the East Asian countries will have an edge and increasingly dominate innovations will be in the field of robotics. They already make extensive use of industrial robots, and the demand will only increase in these societies where fertility is low, IQ is high, and immigration is limited.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Twinkie, really ironic that you mention that, I have been talking to several Singaporean and Japanese robotics recently about potential new opportunities. The degree of precision needed takes some pretty neat algorithms and tightly optimized code, so a ton of bored guys ditching academia to come work on this... and this is where my previous allusion about an American brain drain comes from.

    The developing countries in the region... I suppose the educational background is not there yet. I am most familiar with Indonesia, so speaking about that, there are a lot of Indonesian graduate students in China specializing in robotics. You will find startups (often headed by recently returned grad students), but they tend to be in fields with less overhead like cryptos. Of course, real question is keeping people or tempting them back, which Vietnam, PI, Indo are trying to do, with varying degrees of success.

    Replies: @Yahya K.

  68. @Wilma C.
    @Twinkie


    I want to be left alone by the Woketariat. I am perfectly willing to let them be as they are too. It’s a big country and we don’t have to fight or even be near each other. But they don’t seem to be able to help themselves. Sensing that they have won and can impose their kind of peace upon the defeated, they seem intent on NOT letting me (and others like me) be.
     
    The other day Revolver.news featured a video of Fulton Sheen which they said could’ve been made yesterday. The whole program was fascinating. In part of it Sheen talks about modern revolutionaries and discusses their characteristics. Namely that it’s directed by the elites and has as its m.o., “todo y nada”. As Sheen explains this, “It’s my will or nothing. This is what the elites insist upon. No alternative, no compromise. They would wipe the slate clean of anything that opposes them.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy6VtXVcGFw&app=desktop

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Archbishop Fulton was quite something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_J._Sheen

    According to the foreword written for a 2008 edition of Sheen’s autobiography, Treasure in Clay: The Autobiography of Fulton J. Sheen, Catholic journalist Raymond Arroyo wrote why Sheen “retired” from hosting Life is Worth Living “at the height of its popularity … [when] an estimated 30 million viewers and listeners tuned in each week.”[31] Arroyo wrote that “It is widely believed that Cardinal Spellman drove Sheen off the air.”[31]

    Arroyo relates that: “In the late 1950s the government donated millions of dollars’ worth of powdered milk to the New York Archdiocese. In turn, Cardinal Spellman handed that milk over to the Society for the Propagation of the Faith to distribute to the poor of the world. On at least one occasion he demanded that the director of the Society, Bishop Sheen, pay the Archdiocese for the donated milk. He wanted millions of dollars. Despite Cardinal Spellman’s considerable powers of persuasion and influence in Rome, Sheen refused. These were funds donated by the public to the missions, funds Sheen himself had personally contributed to and raised over the airwaves. He felt an obligation to protect them, even from the itchy fingers of his own Cardinal.”[31]

    Spellman later took the issue directly to Pope Pius XII, pleading his case with Sheen present. The Pope sided with Sheen. Spellman later confronted Sheen, stating, “I will get even with you. It may take six months or ten years, but everyone will know what you are like.”[31] Besides being pressured to leave television, Sheen also “found himself unwelcome in the churches of New York City. Spellman cancelled Sheen’s annual Good Friday sermons at St. Patrick’s Cathedral and discouraged clergy from befriending the Bishop.”[31] In 1966, Spellman had Sheen reassigned to Rochester, New York, and caused his leadership at the Society for the Propagation of the Faith to be terminated (a position he had held for 16 years and raised hundreds of millions of dollars for, to which he had personally donated US$10 million of his own earnings).[31] On December 2, 1967, Spellman died in New York City.

    Sheen never talked about the situation, only making vague references to his “trials both inside and outside the Church.”[31] He even went so far as to praise Spellman in his autobiography.[31]

  69. O/T

    Does anyone recall why I repeat “Stay in your lane”

    You probably don’t live in their districts. If you do, move out.

    Anything you do will be subject to pilpul

    If you aren’t a minority, you are a racist.

    Stay out of her gunsights.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @216

    The thrust of this post is taken well enough, but AOC's response is funny and anyway she didn't start it but she did finish it. That's not nasty or vicious, it's just well played.

  70. @this notion of America’s 20th-cent wars being “Democrat wars”…

    Nope. With the exception of the Korean War, (and even that is debatable), they were all Jewish wars. That is, they were all wars which America entered (viz, was snookered into) via leveraged Jewish power and influence, in order to use America’s strength as a dumb piglike golem to fight wars for the interests of Jews.

    Couple million dead and wounded goyim, pfft. Couple tens of millions of dead and bombarded and burned foreigners, yadada yadda. Eggs, omelettes, you know the drill.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    WW1 and WW2 I get. America has no interest compelling enough to get involved.

    Charles Lindbergh was right.

    But Vietnam? Not getting how American involvement in Vietnam advanced Jewish interests.

  71. @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    I honestly think biological research in general is going to be the early 21st Century version of the revolution in modern physics
     
    That may be. But I think that where the East Asian countries will have an edge and increasingly dominate innovations will be in the field of robotics. They already make extensive use of industrial robots, and the demand will only increase in these societies where fertility is low, IQ is high, and immigration is limited.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Twinkie, really ironic that you mention that, I have been talking to several Singaporean and Japanese robotics recently about potential new opportunities. The degree of precision needed takes some pretty neat algorithms and tightly optimized code, so a ton of bored guys ditching academia to come work on this… and this is where my previous allusion about an American brain drain comes from.

    The developing countries in the region… I suppose the educational background is not there yet. I am most familiar with Indonesia, so speaking about that, there are a lot of Indonesian graduate students in China specializing in robotics. You will find startups (often headed by recently returned grad students), but they tend to be in fields with less overhead like cryptos. Of course, real question is keeping people or tempting them back, which Vietnam, PI, Indo are trying to do, with varying degrees of success.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    @nebulafox


    I am most familiar with Indonesia, so speaking about that, there are a lot of Indonesian graduate students in China specializing in robotics.
     
    hhhh..... the brain drain.

    500,000 Pakistanis, 700,000 Egyptians, 1,000,000 Iranians.

    Mostly from the upper and middle classess.

    Total CATASTROPHE.

    sniff

    We really need these people

    sniff

  72. @Dr. Doom
    Mr. Fink, the Chinese are a pragmatic lot.

    Those boys without girls would make a large army.

    Unmarried males are a problem. War could be an easy solution.

    Taiwan, sub-Saharan Africa and other places where the Chinese have a vital interest.

    Africa is rich in unmined resources. They are also heavily in debt.

    Chinese expansion into Africa could be loans first and armies later to collect.

    The United States and EU are not much in a position to do anything nowadays.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I half suspect-not seriously-that China’s pseudo colonization of Africa is one way they intend to dump off surplus males. Much like the postwar USSR, Africa has the opposite gender imbalance problem thanks to all the wars killing off a lot of young men.

    At least China is wealthy enough for bottom tier rural men to import brides from places like Vietnam now. India has a similar imbalance… now THAT is going to be ugly.

    • Replies: @anon
    @nebulafox

    I half suspect-not seriously-that China’s pseudo colonization of Africa is one way they intend to dump off surplus males.

    Thanks to the one-child policy virtually all young men and young women in China have no siblings. I'm sure you are familiar with the "little Emperor" syndrome. One child, two parents, four grandparents: every boy is automatically the eldest son, with all that implies under Sinic social norms.

    Any foreign adventure that killed off or even exiled too many little Emperors would be seriously unpopular in China, possibly approaching "Mandate of Heaven" serious. This is something people should consider when predicting what China will do. In my opinion.

    , @bro3886
    @nebulafox

    Why colonize Africa when they can colonize Canada, America, and Australia and eventually take over in those places? With the connivance of the local Ruling Trash, of course.

  73. Yahya K. says:
    @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Twinkie, really ironic that you mention that, I have been talking to several Singaporean and Japanese robotics recently about potential new opportunities. The degree of precision needed takes some pretty neat algorithms and tightly optimized code, so a ton of bored guys ditching academia to come work on this... and this is where my previous allusion about an American brain drain comes from.

    The developing countries in the region... I suppose the educational background is not there yet. I am most familiar with Indonesia, so speaking about that, there are a lot of Indonesian graduate students in China specializing in robotics. You will find startups (often headed by recently returned grad students), but they tend to be in fields with less overhead like cryptos. Of course, real question is keeping people or tempting them back, which Vietnam, PI, Indo are trying to do, with varying degrees of success.

    Replies: @Yahya K.

    I am most familiar with Indonesia, so speaking about that, there are a lot of Indonesian graduate students in China specializing in robotics.

    hhhh….. the brain drain.

    500,000 Pakistanis, 700,000 Egyptians, 1,000,000 Iranians.

    Mostly from the upper and middle classess.

    Total CATASTROPHE.

    sniff

    We really need these people

    sniff

  74. @Jay Fink
    The Chinese have preformed millions of sex selective abortions. This makes me have great animosity towards Chinese people (but not Asians in general). There is a female shortage (not including the elderly where there is a surplus of women) in most of the world. China has exasperated this problem. Millions of Chinese men will never find a mate. If the Chinese are so smart why didn't they consider the misery this will cause? As there were killing baby girls in massive numbers they must never have thought once about how it impacts the sexual marketplace.

    I don't like the Chinese attitude that boys are worth having but not girls. This is so offensive to me that I am cheering on increasing U.S/Chinese hostilities (even if it has nothing to do with sex selective abortions). I am comforted by the fact that even Democrats are becoming anti-Chinese which is surprising to me.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Well, Singapore’s Han dominated government incessantly propagandized smiling two daughter families during the 1970s specifically to prevent this from happening. Regarding the minorities, India is also a major offender here, so safe to presume they were also intended as a target.

    (Ironically, Malays were the least likely to do this precisely thanks to their religious beliefs. Islamic social norms mostly lead to heartbreaking sucky situations for Malay women, particularly well educated ones, but to give them their due, children are viewed as a gift from Allah, so sex selective abortion is viewed as profoundly morally abhorrent in a way that has no analogue with Chinese or Hindus. Also, there are a lot of conservative Chinese Christians in Singapore that would never engage in such practices for moral reasons, either, and they had quite large families back in the day.)

    I think attitudes have changed in the PRC a lot over the last decade here, but too little, too late. Having tons of bare branches around combined with bad times and an inept government has led to some of China’s most explosive historical moments, something I am sure Beijing is vividly aware of. Probably part of why they do not tolerare too much incompetence.

  75. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    @Dr. Doom

    I half suspect-not seriously-that China's pseudo colonization of Africa is one way they intend to dump off surplus males. Much like the postwar USSR, Africa has the opposite gender imbalance problem thanks to all the wars killing off a lot of young men.

    At least China is wealthy enough for bottom tier rural men to import brides from places like Vietnam now. India has a similar imbalance... now THAT is going to be ugly.

    Replies: @anon, @bro3886

    I half suspect-not seriously-that China’s pseudo colonization of Africa is one way they intend to dump off surplus males.

    Thanks to the one-child policy virtually all young men and young women in China have no siblings. I’m sure you are familiar with the “little Emperor” syndrome. One child, two parents, four grandparents: every boy is automatically the eldest son, with all that implies under Sinic social norms.

    Any foreign adventure that killed off or even exiled too many little Emperors would be seriously unpopular in China, possibly approaching “Mandate of Heaven” serious. This is something people should consider when predicting what China will do. In my opinion.

  76. “The failure of those wars led the Republican rank and file to start to question their neocon leadership.”

    Neocons didn’t lead the Republican Party into those wars, the Republicans were eager for them. They’ve been screwing their overwhelmingly white constituents for decades, literally participating in genocide against them. In the old days they had communism to take their hapless voters minds off of this reality, once communism dried up they were (and are) eager to find a foriegn enemy to take its place. Islamic terrorism worked for a while but was a pretty grubby substitute and the reality of dealing with basically uncivilized savages in places like Afghanistan got everyone pretty sick of the campaign. The floundering of the modern Republican party is the result of not having foreign enemies to sell to their stupid voters, they’ve been exposed as the vaporware that they are. It’s one of the reasons they hate Trump – he’s not a warmonger and that helps unmask their con game and their contempt for their constituents. It shines a light on their domestic policies were they haven’t done a thing, and haven’t conserved a thing.

    There’s still one aspect of their past foriegn adventures going strong, they’re still supporting the immigration of millions of Muslims. Like I said, genocide.

  77. @nebulafox
    @Dr. Doom

    I half suspect-not seriously-that China's pseudo colonization of Africa is one way they intend to dump off surplus males. Much like the postwar USSR, Africa has the opposite gender imbalance problem thanks to all the wars killing off a lot of young men.

    At least China is wealthy enough for bottom tier rural men to import brides from places like Vietnam now. India has a similar imbalance... now THAT is going to be ugly.

    Replies: @anon, @bro3886

    Why colonize Africa when they can colonize Canada, America, and Australia and eventually take over in those places? With the connivance of the local Ruling Trash, of course.

  78. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    I agree. To be clear, my point in alluding to Japan and Korea was not to conflate them with the PRC (or each other) in terms of ethics or culture, but to illustrate that even as advanced, liberalized democracies, the lack of stigma the Nazis left to the subject in the West is still visible. I have not looked at Taiwanese opinions on the matter, as an aside, but I'd be surprised if it was much different there.

    >It is also a country in turmoil in ethical terms – as a fast developing society that is shedding former communist repression, it has yet to find a stable bearing on what constitutes good morality.

    I try to avoid psychoanalysis as a field for frauds and fools, but I suspect the interest in classical history and philosophy (and religion, whether "foreign" or traditional) taking off among middle class mainlanders is a long delayed subliminal effort to fill the gaping void that the Cultural Revolution ripped in the nation's collective psyche. Money and rapid material developments filled or at least obscured that void for decades, but China's well off enough now that this no longer does the trick as much as it used to.

    >But they don’t seem to be able to help themselves.

    They are convinced that they have History on their side. As such...

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Talha

    I suspect the interest in classical history and philosophy (and religion, whether “foreign” or traditional) taking off among middle class mainlanders is a long delayed subliminal effort to fill the gaping void that the Cultural Revolution ripped in the nation’s collective psyche. Money and rapid material developments filled or at least obscured that void for decades, but China’s well off enough now that this no longer does the trick as much as it used to.

    To me, this is the most interesting part of the equation…we are dealing with a nation of a billion+ plus – lots of interesting things could develop. Let’s hope some other new guy doesn’t claim to be the brother of Jesus (pbuh) any time soon; that may work about as well as last time.

    But, again, this is what fascinates me; which direction will China go…man does not live by bread alone.

    Peace.

  79. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Anon

    Biological sciences have failed to produce anything substantial over the last quarter-century. Stem cell research didn’t pan out, by and large.

    Absolute garbage.

    Even chemical methods are beginning to fail.

    What does that even mean?

    No country on Earth has the money for a war, a bioscience revolution, or even a coronavirus vaccination program.

    Your ignorance is vast. Try learning something sometime. Look up "senolytic", for example.

    Replies: @Anon

    I looked up your shitty senolytics. I found nothing but bad news.

    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3606130-unity-biotech-down-48-premarket-on-stumble-lead-drug

    Unity Biotech down 48% premarket on stumble with lead drug

    Unity Biotechnology’s (NASDAQ:UBX) lead candidate UBX0101, a p53/MDM2 interaction inhibitor, failed to sufficiently separate from placebo at week 12 in a Phase 2 clinical trial in patients with moderate-to-severe osteoarthritis of the knee. Specifically, there was no statistically significant difference between any of the three dose arms and the control arm as measured by the primary endpoint, a scale called WOMAC-A.

    Just 1 momth later, Unity cuts 30% of its staff:

    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3614222-unity-to-slash-headcount-30-keeps-focus-on-eye-drug-candidate

    So yeah, it’s the same stalling R&D that promises big but leads to nothing but broken dreams and poverty. Just like stem cell research has.

    If you invested in biomedical research in the 21st century, you are looking like the fool ass idiot you are now. You should have listened to wiser men such as myself. Now you’re fixing to be homeless for the winter.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    I looked up your shitty senolytics. I found nothing but bad news.

    Too bad you have such poor research skills. Stock trading sites aren't the best choice for medical search, by the way. People who genuinely want to learn use other sites, such as this one:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

    If you invested in biomedical research in the 21st century, you are looking like the fool ass idiot you are now. You should have listened to wiser men such as myself. Now you’re fixing to be homeless for the winter.

    Bitter trolling is no way to enjoy life. You should consider putting the black pills away from yourself, for your own health.

  80. anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @anon

    I looked up your shitty senolytics. I found nothing but bad news.


    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3606130-unity-biotech-down-48-premarket-on-stumble-lead-drug


    Unity Biotech down 48% premarket on stumble with lead drug


    Unity Biotechnology's (NASDAQ:UBX) lead candidate UBX0101, a p53/MDM2 interaction inhibitor, failed to sufficiently separate from placebo at week 12 in a Phase 2 clinical trial in patients with moderate-to-severe osteoarthritis of the knee. Specifically, there was no statistically significant difference between any of the three dose arms and the control arm as measured by the primary endpoint, a scale called WOMAC-A.
     

    Just 1 momth later, Unity cuts 30% of its staff:


    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3614222-unity-to-slash-headcount-30-keeps-focus-on-eye-drug-candidate

    So yeah, it's the same stalling R&D that promises big but leads to nothing but broken dreams and poverty. Just like stem cell research has.


    If you invested in biomedical research in the 21st century, you are looking like the fool ass idiot you are now. You should have listened to wiser men such as myself. Now you're fixing to be homeless for the winter.

    Replies: @anon

    I looked up your shitty senolytics. I found nothing but bad news.

    Too bad you have such poor research skills. Stock trading sites aren’t the best choice for medical search, by the way. People who genuinely want to learn use other sites, such as this one:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

    If you invested in biomedical research in the 21st century, you are looking like the fool ass idiot you are now. You should have listened to wiser men such as myself. Now you’re fixing to be homeless for the winter.

    Bitter trolling is no way to enjoy life. You should consider putting the black pills away from yourself, for your own health.

  81. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @this notion of America's 20th-cent wars being "Democrat wars"...

    Nope. With the exception of the Korean War, (and even that is debatable), they were all Jewish wars. That is, they were all wars which America entered (viz, was snookered into) via leveraged Jewish power and influence, in order to use America's strength as a dumb piglike golem to fight wars for the interests of Jews.

    Couple million dead and wounded goyim, pfft. Couple tens of millions of dead and bombarded and burned foreigners, yadada yadda. Eggs, omelettes, you know the drill.

    Replies: @Moses

    WW1 and WW2 I get. America has no interest compelling enough to get involved.

    Charles Lindbergh was right.

    But Vietnam? Not getting how American involvement in Vietnam advanced Jewish interests.

  82. @JackOH
    Audacious, is there actually a literature discussing the prospects and motives for a devolution of the United States into smaller successor states? I think I've seen some references to how America's regions may be thought of as sharply definable, but I don't recall arguments for secession/devolution.

    I know I looked up arguments years ago for a new Constitutional convention, and the literature was very thin, and, of course, completely without popular or elite interest.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Afaik there are no institutions devoted to thinking about it, though there are various secessionist movements around the country.

    • Thanks: JackOH
  83. @216
    O/T

    Does anyone recall why I repeat "Stay in your lane"

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1308155423690764289

    You probably don't live in their districts. If you do, move out.

    Anything you do will be subject to pilpul

    If you aren't a minority, you are a racist.

    Stay out of her gunsights.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    The thrust of this post is taken well enough, but AOC’s response is funny and anyway she didn’t start it but she did finish it. That’s not nasty or vicious, it’s just well played.

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