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More than a month after the election was held and just days before the results are set to be certified, 4-in-5 Republicans and nearly 9-in-10 Trump voters think fraud flipped the election to Joe Biden:

The corporate media’s initial position that no evidence of voter fraud existed has been abandoned by most Americans:

The incredible testimony of one woman about what she alleged happened forty years ago gets wall-to-wall coverage for weeks because it is compelling evidence, but the quite credible testimonies of hundreds and hundreds of ordinary Americans about what they allege happened a few weeks ago isn’t evidence. Who? Whom? Got it? Merchants of mendacity, our media.

Despite the Borg’s best efforts to ignore, undercut, and outright dismiss concerns about election integrity–in 2020, that is, an about-face following four years of relentless efforts to hype up, encourage, and outright fabricate concerns about election integrity–we are in a situation where roughly one-third of the population thinks the election was stolen from Trump, one-third of the population thinks fraud occurred but Biden still won, and one-third thinks the election was clean.

On the bright side, if our rulers have any shame, they won’t be finger-wagging at other countries for alleged election improprieties for awhile. Cast out the beam out of thine own eye.

 
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  1. Damn good writing, AE:

    The incredible testimony of one woman about what she alleged happened forty years ago gets wall-to-wall coverage for weeks because it is compelling evidence, but the quite credible testimonies of hundreds and hundreds of ordinary Americans about what they allege happened a few weeks ago isn’t evidence. Who? Whom? Got it? Merchants of mendacity, our media.

    Economical. Every word in its place, and a unexpected finish with an alliterative flourish.

  2. if our rulers have any shame

    As they say in Japan…

    wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

  3. I’m curious to see if there’s polling data regarding the likelihood of the elections being rigged by Putin in favor of Trump or China/Biden. Unlike most of the Unz readership, I have difficultly imagining that nearly 200 million Americans voted this time around.

    Most millennials of my peer group bragged on twitter that they didn’t bother opening their mail-in ballot. We’re the largest demographic slice after the boomers by a significant margin. I really had to hustle quite aggressively to get some to pencil-in Biden.

    It might just be that China has the better vote rigging operation than Russia/Israel, as I simply don’t believe Trump’s “Israel First” governance could actually garner 70 million votes, nor could Biden’s “China First” do 10 million better.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Supply and Demand

    A voter turn out of 5-10% would be a no confidence vote in the government and the entire establishment.

    Peace.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Supply and Demand

    Netanyahu wasted no time in congratulating Biden. So I think we know the validity of the Trump-Russia-Israel axis.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @GomezAdddams

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Supply and Demand

    There was a poll a few months back showing Americans thought Russia wanted Trump to win and China wanted Biden to win. For the general public, it's not a bad take.

  4. @Supply and Demand
    I'm curious to see if there's polling data regarding the likelihood of the elections being rigged by Putin in favor of Trump or China/Biden. Unlike most of the Unz readership, I have difficultly imagining that nearly 200 million Americans voted this time around.

    Most millennials of my peer group bragged on twitter that they didn't bother opening their mail-in ballot. We're the largest demographic slice after the boomers by a significant margin. I really had to hustle quite aggressively to get some to pencil-in Biden.

    It might just be that China has the better vote rigging operation than Russia/Israel, as I simply don't believe Trump's "Israel First" governance could actually garner 70 million votes, nor could Biden's "China First" do 10 million better.

    Replies: @Talha, @Chrisnonymous, @Audacious Epigone

    A voter turn out of 5-10% would be a no confidence vote in the government and the entire establishment.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Talha

    Do you think the criminal elite would care? As long as they can lock you down, you don’t matter.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Talha

  5. Eventually, like the Kennedy assassination, almost everybody will know that the official story is a lie.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @exiled off mainstreet

    Note that the mass media is _still_ pushing the lone gunman garbage--fifty seven years later!

    They will _never_ admit they were and remain pathological liars.

  6. @Talha
    @Supply and Demand

    A voter turn out of 5-10% would be a no confidence vote in the government and the entire establishment.

    Peace.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Do you think the criminal elite would care? As long as they can lock you down, you don’t matter.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @The Alarmist



    A voter turn out of 5-10% would be a no confidence vote in the government and the entire establishment.
     
    Do you think the criminal elite would care?
     
    No.

    Nonvoting has been tried many times. If one merely wishes to be inoffensively nonpolitical, nonvoting may be reasonable; but otherwise, I am unaware of a single instance in any country, in any era, in which strategic nonvoting has achieved its desired effect.

    The nonvoter volunteers to be ignored.

    Even if one feels certain that the election is rigged, one should at least put the riggers to the trouble and inconvenience of actually having to rig it. Why make it easier for them by not showing up?

    , @Talha
    @The Alarmist

    Well I wanted to make a counterpoint, but dammit - I can’t. They may well be grateful if we voluntarily disenfranchised ourselves.

    Peace.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  7. The real question is, what’s wrong with the 13% of Trump voters who don’t believe the election was stolen.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @The Alarmist

    It's possible to believe that fraud occurred, but not enough fraud to change the outcome; Biden would have won if the election had been perfectly fair. It's still a rotten system.

  8. Despite the Borg’s best efforts to ignore, undercut, and outright dismiss concerns about election integrity–in 2020, that is, an about-face following four years of relentless efforts to hype up, encourage, and outright fabricate concerns about election integrity

    Consistently inconsistent.

  9. @Supply and Demand
    I'm curious to see if there's polling data regarding the likelihood of the elections being rigged by Putin in favor of Trump or China/Biden. Unlike most of the Unz readership, I have difficultly imagining that nearly 200 million Americans voted this time around.

    Most millennials of my peer group bragged on twitter that they didn't bother opening their mail-in ballot. We're the largest demographic slice after the boomers by a significant margin. I really had to hustle quite aggressively to get some to pencil-in Biden.

    It might just be that China has the better vote rigging operation than Russia/Israel, as I simply don't believe Trump's "Israel First" governance could actually garner 70 million votes, nor could Biden's "China First" do 10 million better.

    Replies: @Talha, @Chrisnonymous, @Audacious Epigone

    Netanyahu wasted no time in congratulating Biden. So I think we know the validity of the Trump-Russia-Israel axis.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Chrisnonymous

    Only Simps for Trump would expect a foreign head of state to be a COPEr like the rest of his base.

    , @GomezAdddams
    @Chrisnonymous

    Netanyahu likes Trump and Biden Equally---no USA no Israel and Benny has his jets---

  10. Like a mink, the election was stole;
    Now, Joe Biden, avoid grassy knolls
    And schoolbook deposits
    And suchlike because it’s
    In places like that heads get holes.

  11. @The Alarmist
    @Talha

    Do you think the criminal elite would care? As long as they can lock you down, you don’t matter.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Talha

    A voter turn out of 5-10% would be a no confidence vote in the government and the entire establishment.

    Do you think the criminal elite would care?

    No.

    Nonvoting has been tried many times. If one merely wishes to be inoffensively nonpolitical, nonvoting may be reasonable; but otherwise, I am unaware of a single instance in any country, in any era, in which strategic nonvoting has achieved its desired effect.

    The nonvoter volunteers to be ignored.

    Even if one feels certain that the election is rigged, one should at least put the riggers to the trouble and inconvenience of actually having to rig it. Why make it easier for them by not showing up?

  12. 87% of Trump Voters Think the Election Was Stolen

    +1

  13. One has to wonder about the 13% of Trump voters who do not think the Election was stolen…. Perhaps it is a question driven anomoly:

       87% — Think the Election was stolen
    + 13% — KNOW the Election was stolen
    ____
    100% — Election Stolen

    I have a compromise though. Let us run the Electoral College like the Election.

    Below the MORE Tag due to height.

    PEACE 😇
     

    [MORE]

     

  14. AE, thank you for this key piece at a major moment. As dozens of US states line up against each other at the US Supreme Court, in what seems like lines of potential USA break-up –

    It’s notable from ‘Long Emergency’ Jewish liberal author James Howard Kunstler, lifelong supporter of the US Democratic Party, two times Obama voter and then Hillary voter in 2016 …. that Kunstler too is convinced, that USA election ‘totals’ are vote-count fraud stealing the victory from Trump.

    In JHK’s latest he notes how US vote count was largely tabulated by the Dominion Voting Systems company … which sent information illegally in real-time to a foreign location, the Dominion server in Frankfurt, Germany … which was quickly seized by US army Special Forces … Dominion’s holding company is 75% Chinese-owned

    The president cleaned house at the top of the Pentagon this fall, and probably not for nothing

    Since the election there have been unusual movements of US military aircraft around the country, including C-130 Hercules troop carrier planes … The navy has two carrier groups out along the Pacific Coast and three strung along the Atlantic coast … Sounds like preparation for something

  15. On the bright side, if our rulers have any shame, they won’t be finger-wagging at other countries for alleged election improprieties for awhile.

    You don’t really believe that…do you?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Realist

    No.

  16. @The Alarmist
    @Talha

    Do you think the criminal elite would care? As long as they can lock you down, you don’t matter.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Talha

    Well I wanted to make a counterpoint, but dammit – I can’t. They may well be grateful if we voluntarily disenfranchised ourselves.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Talha

    They deal in force ... force is all they understand.

  17. Trump, as a grass roots elected, non-politician, non-lawyer but rather a businessman, did not dance to the tune the globalists play, I think its name is, “Sell out your country and keep smiling”.Funny so many Americans don’t know it, the establishment media’s play it every day. He was therefore removed from the dance floor. Joe Biden on the other hand, is an excellent dancer, corrupt, lying, devious, as would be expected from a long time creature of the swamp. Forty eight years I believe…./PEACE

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
  18. You can’t look at any of the vote numbers and timelines objectively in the disputed states and not conclude that something is fishy about them. Throw in the supposed enthusiasm gap and it’s even more obvious. There are patterns and anomalies that cannot be explained away.

    However you count a “bellwether county”, you cannot say that practically all bellwether counties were wrong.

    You cannot say that Trump was the first president ever to gain votes and not be reelected.

    You cannot say that Biden outperformed Obama only in the disputed cities and states.

    You cannot say that almost 2/3 of ALL AMERICANS (not just registered voters, not just voting age, but ALL AMERICANS) cast a vote.

    None of it makes sense.

    The problem for Trump voters is that this wasn’t a single centrally planned conspiracy, so there’s no smoking gun evidence. It was hundreds of little conspiracies that individually would not swing the election in one way or the other. As soon as unsolicited mail-in votes became the norm, the DMV ladies running the election departments in those cities knew what to do.

    They were surprised in 2016 and didn’t have a backup plan.

    But in 2020 they were ready and weren’t going to let Trump win again so they put the political machines to work in the large swing states that would require the least amount of “help” to push Biden over the top.

    For the life of me, I’ve never understood how anyone could in good faith argue that elections should not be as secure as possible.

    Voter ID on a single Election Day with Iraqi-style purple fingers and only solicited for-cause absenteeism. That’s the most secure way. Anyone who argues against that is de facto supporting election fraud. There is no guarantee of election convenience in the constitution and the argument that minorities don’t have ID’s in 2020 is laughable and false.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @JR Ewing

    "I’ve never understood how anyone could in good faith argue that elections should not be as secure as possible."

    The Democrats have been chipping away at making elections less secure for decades. The Republicans, faced with bogus charges of "racism" and "voter suppression," have consistently allowed them to win their small victories until election security has finally died the death of a thousand cuts. Sadly, neither party has been acting in good faith, and there doesn't appear to be much chance that they ever will!

  19. @exiled off mainstreet
    Eventually, like the Kennedy assassination, almost everybody will know that the official story is a lie.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    Note that the mass media is _still_ pushing the lone gunman garbage–fifty seven years later!

    They will _never_ admit they were and remain pathological liars.

  20. More than enough evidence of fraud already exists.

    The Democrats just seem happy that Trump “lost”.

    They’re too stupid to see that the system has just lost all credibility.

    Democracy dies in a fire, usually. The Democrats prefer to live in the dark.

    The only other time that someone won Florida and Ohio and lost was Nixon/Kennedy.

    The mob has admitted to having stuffed ballot boxes for Kennedy.

    The System no longer has any right to continue. It is TOTALLY CORRUPT.

    Stupid Joe Biden is so dirty he smells to high heaven. The whole D-Party as well.

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
  21. If the election wasn’t stolen, then it’s an excellent hoax.

  22. @Talha
    @The Alarmist

    Well I wanted to make a counterpoint, but dammit - I can’t. They may well be grateful if we voluntarily disenfranchised ourselves.

    Peace.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    They deal in force … force is all they understand.

  23. Billionaires and plutocrat bastards won the election.

    Moron boob generals in the US Army and other American Empire bonehead slobs won the election.

    Sonofabitches in on the Paycheck Protection Program scam and the extra 600 dollars in the unemployment check scam and all the other scam artists won the election.

    Government workers and greedy money-grubbing business owners won the election.

    The American Empire nation won the election over the historic American nation.

    I would love to debate this US Army general Clarke on mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and monetary policy and American national identity and foreign policy and the Founding Fathers warnings about large standing armies necessitating increasing concentrations of political and financial power and any other damn thing. I would rhetorically crush this crybaby puke baby boomer Clarke in a debate.

    This coward crybaby puke Clarke presides over the European Christian American dominated fighting forces in the special forces and this nasty weasel Clarke is crying about the need for more and more so-called “diversity and inclusion.”

    GO TO HELL CLARKE, YOU US ARMY ARSEHOLE BABY BOOMER!

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Charles Pewitt

    I don't care what anybody says about the guy, Musk wants to send people to Mars. Whether or not he actually succeeds, that's infinitely cooler than what most human beings even contemplate. Somewhere, deep down in me, there's still that little boy who just thinks interesting stuff is interesting, with no further justification needed. I'd like to preserve that, and reading about ambitions to take the next step as a species helps.

    That said, I think the real danger is more prosaic than existential: that Americans will accept mass underemployment, immiseration, and being at the whim of increasingly capricious yet unreliable authorities who you have to court the favor of in the fashion of Homeric deities as "normal".

    It's already happened a lot with my generation. I'm still in the process of deprogramming myself into a mindset where I build rather than plan on how to get some abstract authority to take my side.

  24. Stolen or Not — maybe Biden as Anti-Trump really did win — , this was one of the craziest elections ever. Too many irregularities, too much fraud(even if not decisive), too many anomalies.

    On election day, I was away on a camping trip and didn’t know what was what. Driving back home, I heard that Biden seems to have won. That was that, I thought.

    I come home and read news of the irregularities, and it’s utterly batshit crazy. When an election is run this way, it’s bad for both candidates. No one knows if A really won and if B really lost.

    And it seems Jews did exactly what we feared most BACK IN 2016. Hillary lost in a key states because of low black turnout. She could have taken Michigan, Wisconsin, and Penn with higher black turnout in the cities. So, it seems Jews focused entirely on that with full knowledge that a kind of ‘affirmative election’ happens in black areas. (1) Too many shameless and corrupt blacks are willing to cheat. (2) Whites are afraid of being called ‘racist’ if they raise doubts about black fraud. Ballot looting or ballooting.

    But then, Jews destroyed 2020 with Covid hysteria and BLM riots just because they didn’t like the president and wanted to be rid of him. They will stop at nothing. And what a rigged media. But don’t expect anything from GOP, a party of cucks. And don’t expect much from nationalists whose mantra is ‘China, China, China’.

    No, it was the Jewgro Corruption Complex. Jews at the top, blacks on the bottom, squeezing whites in the middle.

  25. A bigger problem is that politicians are making decisions about things they shouldn’t be able to make decisions about. People should be free to be able to do what they want as long as they accept any consequences from bad decisions and aren’t harming anyone else with their actions. Once you start down the road that all decisions should be made by political leaders instead of individuals you massively increase the power of those leaders. You will then attract power hungry individuals to politics who will take increasingly amoral and dishonest actions to get and maintain that power. There will be ever more brazen attempts to cheat in elections from now on until we reach a point elections become a farce.

    • Replies: @nosquat loquat
    @Mark G.

    "until we reach a point elections become a farce"

    We are way beyond that point. Bush/Cheney won by fraud in 2000 (Florida) and 2004 (Ohio). And they proceeded to turn the world upside down.

    That was when the deep state, and the neocons, had their wagons hitched to the Rep. party.

    Fast-forward to 2020. The deep state/neocon mafia is firmly ensconced in the Dem party now. And: surprise surprise! They got back in!

    Expect many bad things to happen.

    A curious note. Remember when Hillary asked Jill Stein to demand a recount in Michigan in 2016? And do you remember how that turned out? They STOPPED the recount when it started turning up many uncounted votes for Trump!

    Even liberal Bev Harris, formerly of Black Box Voting, admitted that the cheating that was found in 2016 was heavily weighted towards Hillary.

    That was clearly why they thought she couldn't lose. I suspect Trump's tally was much higher than we were told. And even higher in 2020.

    Disclaimer: I equally despise both US political parties and want to seem them both smashed up into a thousand pieces. Only a multiparty system, by creating the need for civilized dialogue, cooperation, and coalitions, will save the republic. For now, I say, let it fall, in the hope that something will rise from the ashes.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

  26. 100% of all people with an IQ above room temperature and an ounce of honesty and integrity KNOW THAT THIS ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM TRUMP. I voted for Trump, not so much because I loved Trump but because ONCE AGAIN I hated the alternative.

    But aah, I voted for that POS Dubya Bush against Gore and I MUST SAY that IMO, I believe that the election in 2000 was STOLEN as well. The hanging chad in the Sunshine State and lest we forget who was the governor of Florida at the time, coincidence? Hmm, who knows?

    Unlike Bush vs Gore or Kennedy vs. Nixon, this FRAUD was a complete JOKE. Biden is the most incompetent boob to ever be GIVEN the Presidency and this has made America a joke to the rest of the world. EVERYONE, AND I MEAN EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BIDEN LOST THIS ELECTION BIG TIME. I would wager to say that Trump received the 80 million votes and Biden received somewhere between 45-50 million at most. Trump more than likely did in fact receive the 400 plus or so electoral votes that someone suggested.

    IF this FRAUD is pulled off, America is DOOMED. Not because Trump is all that, but because they just made a mockery of our election process.

  27. Trump’s camp needed to be involved with swing state election security right after he got into office. Not much you can do AFTER the election.

  28. I know he won’t do it and will soon step down, but Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act and ignite a Civil War. It’s about time US had another major war, a super Civil War. After all, the US has no enemies abroad. Russia is totally regional. China wants influence within its own sphere. US has no business in Middle East and North Africa except in service to Israel.

    Even massive illegal immigration is the result of INTERNAL problems in the US, i.e. the ruling elites are Jews who control the cuck traitors in government.

    So, the real war must be INSIDE the US.
    Americans talk about US soldiers defending freedom and liberty. But this was never the case when they fought overseas. US didn’t fight the Soviet Union but still had freedom. US didn’t fight communist China(except for a brief time in Korea), but it still had freedom. US surrendered Vietnam to communists but still had freedom. Even if Hitler had won WWII in Europe, Americans would have had freedom.

    American Freedom was never decided by what happens in other nations or by US military intervention.
    US was free because of the wars WITHIN the territory. The Revolutionary War was fought on American Soil. Civil War that ended slavery was fought on American Soil. The wars against Indians and Mexico that expanded land and freedom for Americans were fought on the American Continent.

    So, if Americans must fight for freedom, the war must be within the US.

    If Trump uses the Insurrection Act and ignites a Civil War, we can settle the scores. Sure, it will be bloody, but sometimes there is no other way. It’s like what Clemenza says in THE GODFATHER. It has to happen ‘Every ten years. It gets rid of the bad blood.’
    It also sends a clear message to politicians. The PEOPLE will not take massive corruption. The reason why Jews and globalists got so brazen is they can always rely on the people just going along and getting along. But people went along so far because they were assured of Rule of Law. But as the Rule has been breaking down, the people must send a message. Only when the elites are physically attacked and dragged through the streets will they fear the people.

    Don should cross the Rubicon and blow up the nation. Under the cover of war, there is so much that can be done. In the ensuing bloodbath, the house can be cleaned of globalists and cucks. Brainwashed cuck morons can be dealt with in ruthless manner.

    But Trump is too chicken to go all the way. Michael Flynn wants to go there. He should be prez.

    The problem isn’t that Trump ‘lost’. People win or lose elections; it’s the way of democracy.
    It’s that 2020 was the year when the Powers-that-be crossed their own rubicon to pull off a massive heist. This shouldn’t be allowed to stand. Even Bill Barr seems to have been on it. Fox News that pretended to be on side of Trumpers stabbed them in the back. Media covered up entire stories. Ballots were stuffed, and funny stuff happened with machines. This wasn’t a case of stealing an election ‘fair and square’ as happened to Nixon in 1960.
    This was brazen open-air stealing, with the media totally complicit.
    Just consider. Suppose all-white communities strong-armed black Democratic poll watchers and put up barriers so that black Democratic poll watchers couldn’t see anything. Media would have spun this as outrageous, but the media were totally okay with Democratic dirty tricks.
    And the GOP. Look at those worthless cucks in Georgia.

    We need a war. US has been at peace for too long, and corruption grew all around like fungus. It has to be cleared away. It’s like a forest sometimes needs a forest fire for rebirth.

    When the elites won’t listen to reason and follow the rules, they must be met with violence. The contract between elites and masses is predicated on rule of law. When the elites betray this trust and when so many people have been morally degraded into accepting corruption as the new normal — progs think ‘corruption and tyranny are okay AS LONG AS they serve the agenda — , there must be war.

    It’s like in the opening of THE GODFATHER. Bonasera trusted the law to mete out justice to the boys who beat his daughter. But the law betrayed his trust. So, he had to go to Don Corleone for justice. And the boys got beat up real bad. Only then will they fear to do anything like that again.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Priss Factor

    The last American Civil War piled up an estimated 620,000 dead in four years, using the military technology of the mid-19th Century. An 2021 rerun would likely result in millions of deaths even if nuclear weapons weren't used. And the wrong side might win (Russia in the 1920s).

    There is still a chance for peaceful dissolution. The states lining up in the U.S. Supreme Court case may be the general lines of future independent regions in North America. Give peace a chance!

    Replies: @Trinity, @Priss Factor

  29. 13% of Trump voters are morons.

    • Agree: Trinity
  30. Mr. Epigone says:

    Despite the Borg’s best efforts to ignore, undercut, and outright dismiss concerns about election integrity–in 2020, that is, an about-face following four years of relentless efforts to hype up, encourage, and outright fabricate concerns about election integrity–we are in a situation where roughly one-third of the population thinks the election was stolen from Trump, one-third of the population thinks fraud occurred but Biden still won, and one-third thinks the election was clean.

    I say:

    Anything that increases dissension and secessionary political factionalism in the USA is a good thing if your goal is to dislodge the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire from power. Huge percentages of the American population are primed to repudiate debt and give their allegiance to a new political party that represents the historic American nation and the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    The only thing holding the American Empire together is monetary extremism from the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank. Asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate are the only thing holding the American Empire together. The current asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate are about ready to implode.

    This is the third frigging asset bubble, starting in the 1990s, that the plutocrat- and privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank has inflated using monetary extremism — low or zero or negative interest rates, asset purchases, quantitative easing, dollar swaps, direct central bank purchases of sovereign and corporate debt, balance sheet ballooning, bailouts…etc. — and enough is enough, DAMMIT!

    Bring on the night on the perfidy and lies and mendacity of the mass media and the politician whores and the government worker treasonites who are doing everything in their power to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

  31. Surely, inevitably there must be some element of election fraud, as in every election, but the real question is whether it was low level and petty and unlikely to influence the result, or whether it was a high level conspiracy and sufficient to change the result. It is not clear to me whether the pollsters were making this distinction, at least in the second graph.

  32. So the USPS runs out of Christmas stamps 3 weeks before Christmas, but has all the Kwanzaa and Hanukkah stamps that you care to buy. It is random! You sad little bunch of paranoid Christian bigots and racists. Ordering based on previous years is the very textbook example of systemic racism. It is random! You need to buy yourself some books and read about the black human computers that got us to the moon. Then maybe you can get yourself some numeracy. It is random!

  33. @The Alarmist
    The real question is, what’s wrong with the 13% of Trump voters who don’t believe the election was stolen.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    It’s possible to believe that fraud occurred, but not enough fraud to change the outcome; Biden would have won if the election had been perfectly fair. It’s still a rotten system.

  34. @Chrisnonymous
    @Supply and Demand

    Netanyahu wasted no time in congratulating Biden. So I think we know the validity of the Trump-Russia-Israel axis.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @GomezAdddams

    Only Simps for Trump would expect a foreign head of state to be a COPEr like the rest of his base.

  35. @Priss Factor
    I know he won't do it and will soon step down, but Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act and ignite a Civil War. It's about time US had another major war, a super Civil War. After all, the US has no enemies abroad. Russia is totally regional. China wants influence within its own sphere. US has no business in Middle East and North Africa except in service to Israel.

    Even massive illegal immigration is the result of INTERNAL problems in the US, i.e. the ruling elites are Jews who control the cuck traitors in government.

    So, the real war must be INSIDE the US.
    Americans talk about US soldiers defending freedom and liberty. But this was never the case when they fought overseas. US didn't fight the Soviet Union but still had freedom. US didn't fight communist China(except for a brief time in Korea), but it still had freedom. US surrendered Vietnam to communists but still had freedom. Even if Hitler had won WWII in Europe, Americans would have had freedom.

    American Freedom was never decided by what happens in other nations or by US military intervention.
    US was free because of the wars WITHIN the territory. The Revolutionary War was fought on American Soil. Civil War that ended slavery was fought on American Soil. The wars against Indians and Mexico that expanded land and freedom for Americans were fought on the American Continent.

    So, if Americans must fight for freedom, the war must be within the US.

    If Trump uses the Insurrection Act and ignites a Civil War, we can settle the scores. Sure, it will be bloody, but sometimes there is no other way. It's like what Clemenza says in THE GODFATHER. It has to happen 'Every ten years. It gets rid of the bad blood.'
    It also sends a clear message to politicians. The PEOPLE will not take massive corruption. The reason why Jews and globalists got so brazen is they can always rely on the people just going along and getting along. But people went along so far because they were assured of Rule of Law. But as the Rule has been breaking down, the people must send a message. Only when the elites are physically attacked and dragged through the streets will they fear the people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69IvMs--aKA&ab_channel=yahiamuhammad

    Don should cross the Rubicon and blow up the nation. Under the cover of war, there is so much that can be done. In the ensuing bloodbath, the house can be cleaned of globalists and cucks. Brainwashed cuck morons can be dealt with in ruthless manner.

    But Trump is too chicken to go all the way. Michael Flynn wants to go there. He should be prez.

    The problem isn't that Trump 'lost'. People win or lose elections; it's the way of democracy.
    It's that 2020 was the year when the Powers-that-be crossed their own rubicon to pull off a massive heist. This shouldn't be allowed to stand. Even Bill Barr seems to have been on it. Fox News that pretended to be on side of Trumpers stabbed them in the back. Media covered up entire stories. Ballots were stuffed, and funny stuff happened with machines. This wasn't a case of stealing an election 'fair and square' as happened to Nixon in 1960.
    This was brazen open-air stealing, with the media totally complicit.
    Just consider. Suppose all-white communities strong-armed black Democratic poll watchers and put up barriers so that black Democratic poll watchers couldn't see anything. Media would have spun this as outrageous, but the media were totally okay with Democratic dirty tricks.
    And the GOP. Look at those worthless cucks in Georgia.

    We need a war. US has been at peace for too long, and corruption grew all around like fungus. It has to be cleared away. It's like a forest sometimes needs a forest fire for rebirth.

    When the elites won't listen to reason and follow the rules, they must be met with violence. The contract between elites and masses is predicated on rule of law. When the elites betray this trust and when so many people have been morally degraded into accepting corruption as the new normal -- progs think 'corruption and tyranny are okay AS LONG AS they serve the agenda -- , there must be war.

    It's like in the opening of THE GODFATHER. Bonasera trusted the law to mete out justice to the boys who beat his daughter. But the law betrayed his trust. So, he had to go to Don Corleone for justice. And the boys got beat up real bad. Only then will they fear to do anything like that again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCdcXoLs_NY&ab_channel=KIRVMUSIC

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    The last American Civil War piled up an estimated 620,000 dead in four years, using the military technology of the mid-19th Century. An 2021 rerun would likely result in millions of deaths even if nuclear weapons weren’t used. And the wrong side might win (Russia in the 1920s).

    There is still a chance for peaceful dissolution. The states lining up in the U.S. Supreme Court case may be the general lines of future independent regions in North America. Give peace a chance!

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Diversity Heretic

    Why is it Whites will slaughter other Whites for the benefit of those who hate them or use them? Yeah, I know the American Civil War had other issues besides slavery, but it isn't as if Blacks would war with other Blacks for the benefit of Whites and when do Jews go against other Jews for the benefit of White Gentiles? How many Whites slaughtered each other in WWII? How many Whites have died fighting in Middle Eastern Wars? And even on the domestic front, look at how many ignorant Whites go against their own best interests by joining up and fighting against the civil rights of their own people. Antifa and BLM are anti-White racist groups who have attacked innocent people for no reason other than them having the wrong opinion or white skin. YET you see plenty of Whites joining up with these obviously racist anti-White groups and attacking their own kind much to the amusement of Blacks and other nonwhites who don't give two shits about these useful idiots. I am not a big Trump supporter by any means, but any White that would vote for Biden clearly needs to have their head examined. Neither intend on REALLY helping the White working class, but Biden clearly won't be running shit, and his bosses will be anti-White to nth power. Civil War? For what? Really, any White person who marches for Trump or Biden is a retard. Last I heard, Trump hasn't done squat for any of those people who were attacked supporting him in that last March On Washington. Oh, but Trump did help release some Black felons and helped a Black rapper get out of a Swedish jail.

    , @Priss Factor
    @Diversity Heretic


    The last American Civil War piled up an estimated 620,000 dead in four years, using the military technology of the mid-19th Century. An 2021 rerun would likely result in millions of deaths even if nuclear weapons weren’t used. And the wrong side might win (Russia in the 1920s).
     
    Baby the Rain must fall, Baby the blood must flow.

    In normal times, human lives are precious and violence should be minimized.

    But in abnormal demented times when the elites and so many people are corrupt, it's no loss if millions or even tens of millions die.

    And it's not just old-style corruption of petty greed. It's deep moral corruption of people worshiping trashing like George Floyd and draping churches with sodomy symbols. US is spiritually and morally corrupt to the core. It's the kind of corruption where the most soul-rotted are so deluded that they think they are on the side of history, morality, and divinity.

    What happens in the Bible when people are irredeemably corrupt? Millions must die.

    Though I'm not a believer and never was, a society as sick and demented as the US needs some serious house-cleaning. And if countless people die, they deserve to.

    2020 was a pivotal year. The glob took a big shi* and rubbed America's face in it.

    There are three possible responses.

    1. Accept the face-rubbing as deserved punishment for 'white guilt' and grovel before Floyd and homos.

    2. Despair of recent events but don't get angry, keep your head bowed low, and just hope that the Power will maybe be nicer to you, esp since Trump is gone.

    3. Get angry and get ready for what must happen.

    Also, things are worse than in the Civil War. Both sides had legit concerns in the war. Union vs States Rights.
    But the Glob is utterly evil and push an agenda without any redeeming facet.

    Any people who just 'take it' deserve destruction, by war or great replacement.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  36. @Charles Pewitt
    Billionaires and plutocrat bastards won the election.

    Moron boob generals in the US Army and other American Empire bonehead slobs won the election.

    Sonofabitches in on the Paycheck Protection Program scam and the extra 600 dollars in the unemployment check scam and all the other scam artists won the election.

    Government workers and greedy money-grubbing business owners won the election.

    The American Empire nation won the election over the historic American nation.

    I would love to debate this US Army general Clarke on mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and monetary policy and American national identity and foreign policy and the Founding Fathers warnings about large standing armies necessitating increasing concentrations of political and financial power and any other damn thing. I would rhetorically crush this crybaby puke baby boomer Clarke in a debate.

    This coward crybaby puke Clarke presides over the European Christian American dominated fighting forces in the special forces and this nasty weasel Clarke is crying about the need for more and more so-called "diversity and inclusion."

    GO TO HELL CLARKE, YOU US ARMY ARSEHOLE BABY BOOMER!

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1337166749167280128?s=20

    https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1337260892799590401?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Public_Citizen/status/1337068568001740800?s=20

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I don’t care what anybody says about the guy, Musk wants to send people to Mars. Whether or not he actually succeeds, that’s infinitely cooler than what most human beings even contemplate. Somewhere, deep down in me, there’s still that little boy who just thinks interesting stuff is interesting, with no further justification needed. I’d like to preserve that, and reading about ambitions to take the next step as a species helps.

    That said, I think the real danger is more prosaic than existential: that Americans will accept mass underemployment, immiseration, and being at the whim of increasingly capricious yet unreliable authorities who you have to court the favor of in the fashion of Homeric deities as “normal”.

    It’s already happened a lot with my generation. I’m still in the process of deprogramming myself into a mindset where I build rather than plan on how to get some abstract authority to take my side.

  37. @Diversity Heretic
    @Priss Factor

    The last American Civil War piled up an estimated 620,000 dead in four years, using the military technology of the mid-19th Century. An 2021 rerun would likely result in millions of deaths even if nuclear weapons weren't used. And the wrong side might win (Russia in the 1920s).

    There is still a chance for peaceful dissolution. The states lining up in the U.S. Supreme Court case may be the general lines of future independent regions in North America. Give peace a chance!

    Replies: @Trinity, @Priss Factor

    Why is it Whites will slaughter other Whites for the benefit of those who hate them or use them? Yeah, I know the American Civil War had other issues besides slavery, but it isn’t as if Blacks would war with other Blacks for the benefit of Whites and when do Jews go against other Jews for the benefit of White Gentiles? How many Whites slaughtered each other in WWII? How many Whites have died fighting in Middle Eastern Wars? And even on the domestic front, look at how many ignorant Whites go against their own best interests by joining up and fighting against the civil rights of their own people. Antifa and BLM are anti-White racist groups who have attacked innocent people for no reason other than them having the wrong opinion or white skin. YET you see plenty of Whites joining up with these obviously racist anti-White groups and attacking their own kind much to the amusement of Blacks and other nonwhites who don’t give two shits about these useful idiots. I am not a big Trump supporter by any means, but any White that would vote for Biden clearly needs to have their head examined. Neither intend on REALLY helping the White working class, but Biden clearly won’t be running shit, and his bosses will be anti-White to nth power. Civil War? For what? Really, any White person who marches for Trump or Biden is a retard. Last I heard, Trump hasn’t done squat for any of those people who were attacked supporting him in that last March On Washington. Oh, but Trump did help release some Black felons and helped a Black rapper get out of a Swedish jail.

  38. My position is that the Democrats stole the election and that’s AWESOME.
    … because of from whom they stole it. Also I never did think much of democracy where extended to stupid people.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
    @zimriel

    Your comment is irony defined!

    , @Authenticjazzman
    @zimriel

    My position is that you are a bloody fool, and a disgusting pos.

    AJM

  39. @Diversity Heretic
    @Priss Factor

    The last American Civil War piled up an estimated 620,000 dead in four years, using the military technology of the mid-19th Century. An 2021 rerun would likely result in millions of deaths even if nuclear weapons weren't used. And the wrong side might win (Russia in the 1920s).

    There is still a chance for peaceful dissolution. The states lining up in the U.S. Supreme Court case may be the general lines of future independent regions in North America. Give peace a chance!

    Replies: @Trinity, @Priss Factor

    The last American Civil War piled up an estimated 620,000 dead in four years, using the military technology of the mid-19th Century. An 2021 rerun would likely result in millions of deaths even if nuclear weapons weren’t used. And the wrong side might win (Russia in the 1920s).

    Baby the Rain must fall, Baby the blood must flow.

    In normal times, human lives are precious and violence should be minimized.

    But in abnormal demented times when the elites and so many people are corrupt, it’s no loss if millions or even tens of millions die.

    And it’s not just old-style corruption of petty greed. It’s deep moral corruption of people worshiping trashing like George Floyd and draping churches with sodomy symbols. US is spiritually and morally corrupt to the core. It’s the kind of corruption where the most soul-rotted are so deluded that they think they are on the side of history, morality, and divinity.

    What happens in the Bible when people are irredeemably corrupt? Millions must die.

    Though I’m not a believer and never was, a society as sick and demented as the US needs some serious house-cleaning. And if countless people die, they deserve to.

    2020 was a pivotal year. The glob took a big shi* and rubbed America’s face in it.

    There are three possible responses.

    1. Accept the face-rubbing as deserved punishment for ‘white guilt’ and grovel before Floyd and homos.

    2. Despair of recent events but don’t get angry, keep your head bowed low, and just hope that the Power will maybe be nicer to you, esp since Trump is gone.

    3. Get angry and get ready for what must happen.

    Also, things are worse than in the Civil War. Both sides had legit concerns in the war. Union vs States Rights.
    But the Glob is utterly evil and push an agenda without any redeeming facet.

    Any people who just ‘take it’ deserve destruction, by war or great replacement.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Priss Factor


    But in abnormal demented times when the elites and so many people are corrupt, it’s no loss if millions or even tens of millions die.
     
    No matter how bad things are now (and they're not as bad as right-wing paranoiacs claim) a civil war could and almost certainly would make things much much worse.

    And have you considered the possibility that your side might actually lose the civil war? Have you thought about what the consequences of that would be?

    Replies: @zimriel, @Priss Factor

  40. @JR Ewing
    You can't look at any of the vote numbers and timelines objectively in the disputed states and not conclude that something is fishy about them. Throw in the supposed enthusiasm gap and it's even more obvious. There are patterns and anomalies that cannot be explained away.

    However you count a "bellwether county", you cannot say that practically all bellwether counties were wrong.

    You cannot say that Trump was the first president ever to gain votes and not be reelected.

    You cannot say that Biden outperformed Obama only in the disputed cities and states.

    You cannot say that almost 2/3 of ALL AMERICANS (not just registered voters, not just voting age, but ALL AMERICANS) cast a vote.

    None of it makes sense.

    The problem for Trump voters is that this wasn't a single centrally planned conspiracy, so there's no smoking gun evidence. It was hundreds of little conspiracies that individually would not swing the election in one way or the other. As soon as unsolicited mail-in votes became the norm, the DMV ladies running the election departments in those cities knew what to do.

    They were surprised in 2016 and didn't have a backup plan.

    But in 2020 they were ready and weren't going to let Trump win again so they put the political machines to work in the large swing states that would require the least amount of "help" to push Biden over the top.

    For the life of me, I've never understood how anyone could in good faith argue that elections should not be as secure as possible.

    Voter ID on a single Election Day with Iraqi-style purple fingers and only solicited for-cause absenteeism. That's the most secure way. Anyone who argues against that is de facto supporting election fraud. There is no guarantee of election convenience in the constitution and the argument that minorities don't have ID's in 2020 is laughable and false.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “I’ve never understood how anyone could in good faith argue that elections should not be as secure as possible.”

    The Democrats have been chipping away at making elections less secure for decades. The Republicans, faced with bogus charges of “racism” and “voter suppression,” have consistently allowed them to win their small victories until election security has finally died the death of a thousand cuts. Sadly, neither party has been acting in good faith, and there doesn’t appear to be much chance that they ever will!

  41. @Priss Factor
    @Diversity Heretic


    The last American Civil War piled up an estimated 620,000 dead in four years, using the military technology of the mid-19th Century. An 2021 rerun would likely result in millions of deaths even if nuclear weapons weren’t used. And the wrong side might win (Russia in the 1920s).
     
    Baby the Rain must fall, Baby the blood must flow.

    In normal times, human lives are precious and violence should be minimized.

    But in abnormal demented times when the elites and so many people are corrupt, it's no loss if millions or even tens of millions die.

    And it's not just old-style corruption of petty greed. It's deep moral corruption of people worshiping trashing like George Floyd and draping churches with sodomy symbols. US is spiritually and morally corrupt to the core. It's the kind of corruption where the most soul-rotted are so deluded that they think they are on the side of history, morality, and divinity.

    What happens in the Bible when people are irredeemably corrupt? Millions must die.

    Though I'm not a believer and never was, a society as sick and demented as the US needs some serious house-cleaning. And if countless people die, they deserve to.

    2020 was a pivotal year. The glob took a big shi* and rubbed America's face in it.

    There are three possible responses.

    1. Accept the face-rubbing as deserved punishment for 'white guilt' and grovel before Floyd and homos.

    2. Despair of recent events but don't get angry, keep your head bowed low, and just hope that the Power will maybe be nicer to you, esp since Trump is gone.

    3. Get angry and get ready for what must happen.

    Also, things are worse than in the Civil War. Both sides had legit concerns in the war. Union vs States Rights.
    But the Glob is utterly evil and push an agenda without any redeeming facet.

    Any people who just 'take it' deserve destruction, by war or great replacement.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    But in abnormal demented times when the elites and so many people are corrupt, it’s no loss if millions or even tens of millions die.

    No matter how bad things are now (and they’re not as bad as right-wing paranoiacs claim) a civil war could and almost certainly would make things much much worse.

    And have you considered the possibility that your side might actually lose the civil war? Have you thought about what the consequences of that would be?

    • Replies: @zimriel
    @dfordoom

    It won't even rise to the level of a "civil war" when a bunch of boomers and mullet-sporting losers rise up against USG. It'll be something like the Beer Hall Putsch. A few dozen idiots getting themselves suicided-by-cop, most of America cheering, and Democrat electoral victories all 'round.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Supply and Demand

    , @Priss Factor
    @dfordoom


    No matter how bad things are now (and they’re not as bad as right-wing paranoiacs claim) a civil war could and almost certainly would make things much much worse.

     

    I have no illusions about the horrors of war. War should be avoided at all cost... except when things fall apart and there is no other way. Also, even though war is close to the worst thing ever, it is not the worst thing. The worst thing is the current condition of the West.

    Consider. Europe survived the horrible Napoleonic Wars. The wars that forged Germany and Italy into being. Europe even survived the two great wars in the 20th century. They were beyond belief in horror. And yet, Europe survived and, in some respects, even grew wiser and stronger from them. After WWII, many thought Europe was finished, and yet the rapid recovery led to a new order of freedom, order, and prosperity. Europeans never had it so good. Same with Japan and WWII. It was abject horror for the Japanese, but the nation did not die. It sprung back.

    But look at Europe and Japan now. Since WWII, they knew nothing but peace and prosperity. But they are dying civilizations. Low birthrate, moral degeneracy, cultural decadence, infantilism, lack of sovereignty, servility to the US that is, in turn, servile to Evil Jewish Power. Incredibly, Japan and Europe may fade as people/culture/civilization in peace time when no one's hungry.

    Consider the two Roman Empires. The West fell and was demolished. The Eastern Empire survived. But from the ashes, a greater civilization developed in the West whereas the Eastern Empire experienced a long slow death.
    Compare Europe and the Ottomans. In Europe, every nation/kingdom lost a series of wars and was even crushed several times. But they all grew stronger. In contrast, the Ottomans experienced a prolonged of hegemony over parts of southern Europe, most of Near East, and parts of North Africa. And yet it kept declining until it faded into dust.

    Now, it would be best/ideal IF people could learn the lessons of history without war and violence. So much hell could be avoided If people could remember more and see further. But it's so easy for people to fall into mental traps. Take China in the 19th century. If people there had been just more alert and curious of foreign powers, they could have made necessary changes. But they were so immersed in the old way that they found it nearly impossible to climb out of the hole despite the momentous challenges. So, there had to be massive violence of all kinds for China to finally arrive at a new way of doing things. When the peace is rotten, only violence can tear out the rot. It's like there is no saving a rotting tooth. It must be pulled out.
    Tens of millions died in China. Possibly 100 million died unnatural deaths in a century. But it led to the transformation of China into a new order, a stronger one that is more aware of the challenges of the world. It finally abandoned complacency and elite decadence.

    So, war is hell. But it's the kind of hell that bitch-slaps history in the face and make it wake up to what really matters. It is sobering. The Great Depression and WWII were bad times for the US in some ways but also a great time because those crises shook the nation from the frivolity of the Jazz Age. It would be nice if people in peacetime didn't become decadent and stupid. But people have short memories and so often turn rotten. And sometimes, the only way people can regain their senses is through hellfire. It's like a kid has to be spanked when he's totally spoiled. Now, if the parents have sense, they will raise the kid not to be spoiled. Sadly, so many modern people are spoiled. BLM is blacks acting like Bam Bam in FLINTSTONES. Blacks bitch about evil whitey but the best way to make blacks appreciate white folks is by beating the shit out of them. Whup their ass, and they will respect whitey again.

    The hell of war has a redeeming value in its sobering effect. War is so dire that no one who experiences it, as soldier or civilian, can come off without some serious lesson. In contrast, the humdrum hell of decadence/degeneracy under peace and prosperity is, in the long run, far worse because it's like an opiate than a slap in the face. In recent years, more whites died of opioids than in Vietnam War. And yet, this hell went unnoticed because it happened in peacetime and also because the druggies were addicted to pleasure.
    When you're house is on fire, you wake up and realize the value of your life and property. But if you're dying of carbon monoxide, you don't even know you're dying. There are no flames to burn you or your property, but you may well slip into death without even knowing. War is destructive but sobering. It wakes people up. In contrast, death-by-decadence clouds the mind.

    Besides, white Americans may not need to start the war. In some ways, it has started already. The riots of 2020 were low-level war. Blacks and Antifa thugs committed acts of arson. They toppled monuments. Worse, the elites gave their blessing to the thugs. The elites are supposed to defend property, heritage, and law-abiding people from thugs, but they did the opposite. When Trump called for order, even his generals condemned him while doing nothing to protect people. When people wielded guns to protect their property from marauding thugs(called 'mostly peaceful protesters'), the police were told to stand down and the courts went hard on property-owners while only slapping the thugs on the wrist.

    So, the war is already on. The question is how will patriots respond? One thing for sure, it can't be by violence alone. Violence needs vision.

    And have you considered the possibility that your side might actually lose the civil war? Have you thought about what the consequences of that would be?
     
    There are many kinds of wars. There are cases where one side wins militarily, and that's that. But there is another kind of war, one of the spirit and soul. And this war goes on and on even in defeat. How many setbacks did Early Christians suffer before taking over the Roman Empire? Now, one could argue they gained power through persuasion than warfare, but they never gave up. Both Muhammad and Genghis Khan suffered many setbacks, but they kept at it until they won. Mao and communists were driven to the edge of China. They were nearly totally wiped out and barely made it out of the Long March. But they never gave up because they were true believers. The Vietnamese were smashed by the US many times and millions died. But their patriotism and ideology were the stuff of steel and they never gave up.
    Even among the losers, the glory belongs to those who fought. Poles got smashed whereas Czechs were relatively unscathed under German Domination, but Poles own the pride because they resisted unlike the Czechs who just cowered. American Indians were respected by the white man because they fought as brave warriors.

    If there must be a civil war in the US, it mustn't be merely about who has more guns. It has to be about who has the vision, the kind of vision that survives even defeat. There must be a white Muhammad with a new covenant as Christianity is dead.

    At any rate, what else is there for Americans when the contract is broken? Violence was common throughout history. It was common between rulers and ruled, between rulers and rulers, between people and people. The rulers feared the ruled, and the ruled feared the rulers.

    But with the rule of law, there was a contract between the rulers and the ruled and among the ruled themselves. People would not resort to violence because agreed-upon-rules were observed by all.
    But that contract has eroded in the US. Why has Latin American 'democracy' been so fragile with so many outbreaks of violence? Because the rules were on paper but hardly in practice.
    Under Jewish rule, the US rule of law is fading fast. The only rule that matters is "What Jews Want". Jews will use bribery, blackmail, fraud, and propaganda to get their way. When Americans are reduced to the state of Palestinians, what else is there? Jews are nihilistic, and whites in institutions are either craven cowards or brainwashed cucks.

    Also, people generally fear war because they got too much to lose. But as Americans, esp whites, look into the future, they won't have much to call their own. If a people don't have much to lose, why fear war? I can understand not wanting to lose one's wealth and property, but one should always be willing to lose one's chains to gain the nation.

    Bit by bit, things are being taken away from whites. Their jobs, their right to speech, their freedom of assembly, their choice of habitat, their control of their own children, their identity, their sanity, their guns. If Jews have their way, say goodbye to first and second amendments.
    Jews can crush the people of Gaza, but when so many white rise up as New Palestinians against White Nakba, things can change. And History will happen again.

    Also, history is always about risks. In SEVEN SAMURAI, one peasant fears defeat and urges the village just give into the bandits. The other peasant urges they stand and fight. Courage is no assurance of victory, but history will always belong to the bold, not to the fearful.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @anon

  42. @dfordoom
    @Priss Factor


    But in abnormal demented times when the elites and so many people are corrupt, it’s no loss if millions or even tens of millions die.
     
    No matter how bad things are now (and they're not as bad as right-wing paranoiacs claim) a civil war could and almost certainly would make things much much worse.

    And have you considered the possibility that your side might actually lose the civil war? Have you thought about what the consequences of that would be?

    Replies: @zimriel, @Priss Factor

    It won’t even rise to the level of a “civil war” when a bunch of boomers and mullet-sporting losers rise up against USG. It’ll be something like the Beer Hall Putsch. A few dozen idiots getting themselves suicided-by-cop, most of America cheering, and Democrat electoral victories all ’round.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @zimriel


    It won’t even rise to the level of a “civil war” when a bunch of boomers and mullet-sporting losers rise up against USG. It’ll be something like the Beer Hall Putsch. A few dozen idiots getting themselves suicided-by-cop, most of America cheering, and Democrat electoral victories all ’round.
     
    Yes, that's the most likely scenario.
    , @Supply and Demand
    @zimriel

    It will be called the "Beer Gut Putsch" this time around, given how the Million MAGA March looked.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  43. @zimriel
    @dfordoom

    It won't even rise to the level of a "civil war" when a bunch of boomers and mullet-sporting losers rise up against USG. It'll be something like the Beer Hall Putsch. A few dozen idiots getting themselves suicided-by-cop, most of America cheering, and Democrat electoral victories all 'round.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Supply and Demand

    It won’t even rise to the level of a “civil war” when a bunch of boomers and mullet-sporting losers rise up against USG. It’ll be something like the Beer Hall Putsch. A few dozen idiots getting themselves suicided-by-cop, most of America cheering, and Democrat electoral victories all ’round.

    Yes, that’s the most likely scenario.

  44. @dfordoom
    @Priss Factor


    But in abnormal demented times when the elites and so many people are corrupt, it’s no loss if millions or even tens of millions die.
     
    No matter how bad things are now (and they're not as bad as right-wing paranoiacs claim) a civil war could and almost certainly would make things much much worse.

    And have you considered the possibility that your side might actually lose the civil war? Have you thought about what the consequences of that would be?

    Replies: @zimriel, @Priss Factor

    No matter how bad things are now (and they’re not as bad as right-wing paranoiacs claim) a civil war could and almost certainly would make things much much worse.

    I have no illusions about the horrors of war. War should be avoided at all cost… except when things fall apart and there is no other way. Also, even though war is close to the worst thing ever, it is not the worst thing. The worst thing is the current condition of the West.

    Consider. Europe survived the horrible Napoleonic Wars. The wars that forged Germany and Italy into being. Europe even survived the two great wars in the 20th century. They were beyond belief in horror. And yet, Europe survived and, in some respects, even grew wiser and stronger from them. After WWII, many thought Europe was finished, and yet the rapid recovery led to a new order of freedom, order, and prosperity. Europeans never had it so good. Same with Japan and WWII. It was abject horror for the Japanese, but the nation did not die. It sprung back.

    But look at Europe and Japan now. Since WWII, they knew nothing but peace and prosperity. But they are dying civilizations. Low birthrate, moral degeneracy, cultural decadence, infantilism, lack of sovereignty, servility to the US that is, in turn, servile to Evil Jewish Power. Incredibly, Japan and Europe may fade as people/culture/civilization in peace time when no one’s hungry.

    Consider the two Roman Empires. The West fell and was demolished. The Eastern Empire survived. But from the ashes, a greater civilization developed in the West whereas the Eastern Empire experienced a long slow death.
    Compare Europe and the Ottomans. In Europe, every nation/kingdom lost a series of wars and was even crushed several times. But they all grew stronger. In contrast, the Ottomans experienced a prolonged of hegemony over parts of southern Europe, most of Near East, and parts of North Africa. And yet it kept declining until it faded into dust.

    Now, it would be best/ideal IF people could learn the lessons of history without war and violence. So much hell could be avoided If people could remember more and see further. But it’s so easy for people to fall into mental traps. Take China in the 19th century. If people there had been just more alert and curious of foreign powers, they could have made necessary changes. But they were so immersed in the old way that they found it nearly impossible to climb out of the hole despite the momentous challenges. So, there had to be massive violence of all kinds for China to finally arrive at a new way of doing things. When the peace is rotten, only violence can tear out the rot. It’s like there is no saving a rotting tooth. It must be pulled out.
    Tens of millions died in China. Possibly 100 million died unnatural deaths in a century. But it led to the transformation of China into a new order, a stronger one that is more aware of the challenges of the world. It finally abandoned complacency and elite decadence.

    So, war is hell. But it’s the kind of hell that bitch-slaps history in the face and make it wake up to what really matters. It is sobering. The Great Depression and WWII were bad times for the US in some ways but also a great time because those crises shook the nation from the frivolity of the Jazz Age. It would be nice if people in peacetime didn’t become decadent and stupid. But people have short memories and so often turn rotten. And sometimes, the only way people can regain their senses is through hellfire. It’s like a kid has to be spanked when he’s totally spoiled. Now, if the parents have sense, they will raise the kid not to be spoiled. Sadly, so many modern people are spoiled. BLM is blacks acting like Bam Bam in FLINTSTONES. Blacks bitch about evil whitey but the best way to make blacks appreciate white folks is by beating the shit out of them. Whup their ass, and they will respect whitey again.

    The hell of war has a redeeming value in its sobering effect. War is so dire that no one who experiences it, as soldier or civilian, can come off without some serious lesson. In contrast, the humdrum hell of decadence/degeneracy under peace and prosperity is, in the long run, far worse because it’s like an opiate than a slap in the face. In recent years, more whites died of opioids than in Vietnam War. And yet, this hell went unnoticed because it happened in peacetime and also because the druggies were addicted to pleasure.
    When you’re house is on fire, you wake up and realize the value of your life and property. But if you’re dying of carbon monoxide, you don’t even know you’re dying. There are no flames to burn you or your property, but you may well slip into death without even knowing. War is destructive but sobering. It wakes people up. In contrast, death-by-decadence clouds the mind.

    Besides, white Americans may not need to start the war. In some ways, it has started already. The riots of 2020 were low-level war. Blacks and Antifa thugs committed acts of arson. They toppled monuments. Worse, the elites gave their blessing to the thugs. The elites are supposed to defend property, heritage, and law-abiding people from thugs, but they did the opposite. When Trump called for order, even his generals condemned him while doing nothing to protect people. When people wielded guns to protect their property from marauding thugs(called ‘mostly peaceful protesters’), the police were told to stand down and the courts went hard on property-owners while only slapping the thugs on the wrist.

    So, the war is already on. The question is how will patriots respond? One thing for sure, it can’t be by violence alone. Violence needs vision.

    And have you considered the possibility that your side might actually lose the civil war? Have you thought about what the consequences of that would be?

    There are many kinds of wars. There are cases where one side wins militarily, and that’s that. But there is another kind of war, one of the spirit and soul. And this war goes on and on even in defeat. How many setbacks did Early Christians suffer before taking over the Roman Empire? Now, one could argue they gained power through persuasion than warfare, but they never gave up. Both Muhammad and Genghis Khan suffered many setbacks, but they kept at it until they won. Mao and communists were driven to the edge of China. They were nearly totally wiped out and barely made it out of the Long March. But they never gave up because they were true believers. The Vietnamese were smashed by the US many times and millions died. But their patriotism and ideology were the stuff of steel and they never gave up.
    Even among the losers, the glory belongs to those who fought. Poles got smashed whereas Czechs were relatively unscathed under German Domination, but Poles own the pride because they resisted unlike the Czechs who just cowered. American Indians were respected by the white man because they fought as brave warriors.

    If there must be a civil war in the US, it mustn’t be merely about who has more guns. It has to be about who has the vision, the kind of vision that survives even defeat. There must be a white Muhammad with a new covenant as Christianity is dead.

    At any rate, what else is there for Americans when the contract is broken? Violence was common throughout history. It was common between rulers and ruled, between rulers and rulers, between people and people. The rulers feared the ruled, and the ruled feared the rulers.

    But with the rule of law, there was a contract between the rulers and the ruled and among the ruled themselves. People would not resort to violence because agreed-upon-rules were observed by all.
    But that contract has eroded in the US. Why has Latin American ‘democracy’ been so fragile with so many outbreaks of violence? Because the rules were on paper but hardly in practice.
    Under Jewish rule, the US rule of law is fading fast. The only rule that matters is “What Jews Want”. Jews will use bribery, blackmail, fraud, and propaganda to get their way. When Americans are reduced to the state of Palestinians, what else is there? Jews are nihilistic, and whites in institutions are either craven cowards or brainwashed cucks.

    Also, people generally fear war because they got too much to lose. But as Americans, esp whites, look into the future, they won’t have much to call their own. If a people don’t have much to lose, why fear war? I can understand not wanting to lose one’s wealth and property, but one should always be willing to lose one’s chains to gain the nation.

    Bit by bit, things are being taken away from whites. Their jobs, their right to speech, their freedom of assembly, their choice of habitat, their control of their own children, their identity, their sanity, their guns. If Jews have their way, say goodbye to first and second amendments.
    Jews can crush the people of Gaza, but when so many white rise up as New Palestinians against White Nakba, things can change. And History will happen again.

    Also, history is always about risks. In SEVEN SAMURAI, one peasant fears defeat and urges the village just give into the bandits. The other peasant urges they stand and fight. Courage is no assurance of victory, but history will always belong to the bold, not to the fearful.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Priss Factor


    I have no illusions about the horrors of war. War should be avoided at all cost… except when things fall apart and there is no other way. Also, even though war is close to the worst thing ever, it is not the worst thing. The worst thing is the current condition of the West....
     
    White U.S. Gentiles born before about 1975 fail to understand how many white U.S. Gentiles born after about 1975 take ideas like yours seriously. Worse, age fails to understand why youth takes such ideas seriously.

    These youths are not so young now. They've wives and families of their own. Fools will dismiss them. The wise will listen.

    I recommend that those born like me before 1975 return to read your comment in its entirety—not with an eye to judge right or wrong, but with a heart to understand why the comment would have been written in the first place. Every paragraph merits consideration. Until one considers such paragraphs, I do not see how one can grasp what went wrong with the world we elders ran before the younger citizenry came of age.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @anon
    @Priss Factor

    No matter how bad it may be, some turdball will always decide he's too important



    to learn how to use MORE.

  45. @zimriel
    @dfordoom

    It won't even rise to the level of a "civil war" when a bunch of boomers and mullet-sporting losers rise up against USG. It'll be something like the Beer Hall Putsch. A few dozen idiots getting themselves suicided-by-cop, most of America cheering, and Democrat electoral victories all 'round.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Supply and Demand

    It will be called the “Beer Gut Putsch” this time around, given how the Million MAGA March looked.

    • LOL: dfordoom
    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Supply and Demand


    It will be called the “Beer Gut Putsch” this time around, given how the Million MAGA March looked.
     
    The Million MAGA March is the wrong place to look for putsch-capable spirit. Much of the serious dissident right moved on from Trump after the corrupt conviction of the innocent James Alex Fields, Jr., in Charlottesville.

    If you seek spirit with good physical conditioning, here is the place to look.

    If Donald Trump had stood up for Fields and refrained from launching Syrian missile strikes, the latter would have been the ones you saw at the Million MAGA.

  46. @Priss Factor
    @dfordoom


    No matter how bad things are now (and they’re not as bad as right-wing paranoiacs claim) a civil war could and almost certainly would make things much much worse.

     

    I have no illusions about the horrors of war. War should be avoided at all cost... except when things fall apart and there is no other way. Also, even though war is close to the worst thing ever, it is not the worst thing. The worst thing is the current condition of the West.

    Consider. Europe survived the horrible Napoleonic Wars. The wars that forged Germany and Italy into being. Europe even survived the two great wars in the 20th century. They were beyond belief in horror. And yet, Europe survived and, in some respects, even grew wiser and stronger from them. After WWII, many thought Europe was finished, and yet the rapid recovery led to a new order of freedom, order, and prosperity. Europeans never had it so good. Same with Japan and WWII. It was abject horror for the Japanese, but the nation did not die. It sprung back.

    But look at Europe and Japan now. Since WWII, they knew nothing but peace and prosperity. But they are dying civilizations. Low birthrate, moral degeneracy, cultural decadence, infantilism, lack of sovereignty, servility to the US that is, in turn, servile to Evil Jewish Power. Incredibly, Japan and Europe may fade as people/culture/civilization in peace time when no one's hungry.

    Consider the two Roman Empires. The West fell and was demolished. The Eastern Empire survived. But from the ashes, a greater civilization developed in the West whereas the Eastern Empire experienced a long slow death.
    Compare Europe and the Ottomans. In Europe, every nation/kingdom lost a series of wars and was even crushed several times. But they all grew stronger. In contrast, the Ottomans experienced a prolonged of hegemony over parts of southern Europe, most of Near East, and parts of North Africa. And yet it kept declining until it faded into dust.

    Now, it would be best/ideal IF people could learn the lessons of history without war and violence. So much hell could be avoided If people could remember more and see further. But it's so easy for people to fall into mental traps. Take China in the 19th century. If people there had been just more alert and curious of foreign powers, they could have made necessary changes. But they were so immersed in the old way that they found it nearly impossible to climb out of the hole despite the momentous challenges. So, there had to be massive violence of all kinds for China to finally arrive at a new way of doing things. When the peace is rotten, only violence can tear out the rot. It's like there is no saving a rotting tooth. It must be pulled out.
    Tens of millions died in China. Possibly 100 million died unnatural deaths in a century. But it led to the transformation of China into a new order, a stronger one that is more aware of the challenges of the world. It finally abandoned complacency and elite decadence.

    So, war is hell. But it's the kind of hell that bitch-slaps history in the face and make it wake up to what really matters. It is sobering. The Great Depression and WWII were bad times for the US in some ways but also a great time because those crises shook the nation from the frivolity of the Jazz Age. It would be nice if people in peacetime didn't become decadent and stupid. But people have short memories and so often turn rotten. And sometimes, the only way people can regain their senses is through hellfire. It's like a kid has to be spanked when he's totally spoiled. Now, if the parents have sense, they will raise the kid not to be spoiled. Sadly, so many modern people are spoiled. BLM is blacks acting like Bam Bam in FLINTSTONES. Blacks bitch about evil whitey but the best way to make blacks appreciate white folks is by beating the shit out of them. Whup their ass, and they will respect whitey again.

    The hell of war has a redeeming value in its sobering effect. War is so dire that no one who experiences it, as soldier or civilian, can come off without some serious lesson. In contrast, the humdrum hell of decadence/degeneracy under peace and prosperity is, in the long run, far worse because it's like an opiate than a slap in the face. In recent years, more whites died of opioids than in Vietnam War. And yet, this hell went unnoticed because it happened in peacetime and also because the druggies were addicted to pleasure.
    When you're house is on fire, you wake up and realize the value of your life and property. But if you're dying of carbon monoxide, you don't even know you're dying. There are no flames to burn you or your property, but you may well slip into death without even knowing. War is destructive but sobering. It wakes people up. In contrast, death-by-decadence clouds the mind.

    Besides, white Americans may not need to start the war. In some ways, it has started already. The riots of 2020 were low-level war. Blacks and Antifa thugs committed acts of arson. They toppled monuments. Worse, the elites gave their blessing to the thugs. The elites are supposed to defend property, heritage, and law-abiding people from thugs, but they did the opposite. When Trump called for order, even his generals condemned him while doing nothing to protect people. When people wielded guns to protect their property from marauding thugs(called 'mostly peaceful protesters'), the police were told to stand down and the courts went hard on property-owners while only slapping the thugs on the wrist.

    So, the war is already on. The question is how will patriots respond? One thing for sure, it can't be by violence alone. Violence needs vision.

    And have you considered the possibility that your side might actually lose the civil war? Have you thought about what the consequences of that would be?
     
    There are many kinds of wars. There are cases where one side wins militarily, and that's that. But there is another kind of war, one of the spirit and soul. And this war goes on and on even in defeat. How many setbacks did Early Christians suffer before taking over the Roman Empire? Now, one could argue they gained power through persuasion than warfare, but they never gave up. Both Muhammad and Genghis Khan suffered many setbacks, but they kept at it until they won. Mao and communists were driven to the edge of China. They were nearly totally wiped out and barely made it out of the Long March. But they never gave up because they were true believers. The Vietnamese were smashed by the US many times and millions died. But their patriotism and ideology were the stuff of steel and they never gave up.
    Even among the losers, the glory belongs to those who fought. Poles got smashed whereas Czechs were relatively unscathed under German Domination, but Poles own the pride because they resisted unlike the Czechs who just cowered. American Indians were respected by the white man because they fought as brave warriors.

    If there must be a civil war in the US, it mustn't be merely about who has more guns. It has to be about who has the vision, the kind of vision that survives even defeat. There must be a white Muhammad with a new covenant as Christianity is dead.

    At any rate, what else is there for Americans when the contract is broken? Violence was common throughout history. It was common between rulers and ruled, between rulers and rulers, between people and people. The rulers feared the ruled, and the ruled feared the rulers.

    But with the rule of law, there was a contract between the rulers and the ruled and among the ruled themselves. People would not resort to violence because agreed-upon-rules were observed by all.
    But that contract has eroded in the US. Why has Latin American 'democracy' been so fragile with so many outbreaks of violence? Because the rules were on paper but hardly in practice.
    Under Jewish rule, the US rule of law is fading fast. The only rule that matters is "What Jews Want". Jews will use bribery, blackmail, fraud, and propaganda to get their way. When Americans are reduced to the state of Palestinians, what else is there? Jews are nihilistic, and whites in institutions are either craven cowards or brainwashed cucks.

    Also, people generally fear war because they got too much to lose. But as Americans, esp whites, look into the future, they won't have much to call their own. If a people don't have much to lose, why fear war? I can understand not wanting to lose one's wealth and property, but one should always be willing to lose one's chains to gain the nation.

    Bit by bit, things are being taken away from whites. Their jobs, their right to speech, their freedom of assembly, their choice of habitat, their control of their own children, their identity, their sanity, their guns. If Jews have their way, say goodbye to first and second amendments.
    Jews can crush the people of Gaza, but when so many white rise up as New Palestinians against White Nakba, things can change. And History will happen again.

    Also, history is always about risks. In SEVEN SAMURAI, one peasant fears defeat and urges the village just give into the bandits. The other peasant urges they stand and fight. Courage is no assurance of victory, but history will always belong to the bold, not to the fearful.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @anon

    I have no illusions about the horrors of war. War should be avoided at all cost… except when things fall apart and there is no other way. Also, even though war is close to the worst thing ever, it is not the worst thing. The worst thing is the current condition of the West….

    White U.S. Gentiles born before about 1975 fail to understand how many white U.S. Gentiles born after about 1975 take ideas like yours seriously. Worse, age fails to understand why youth takes such ideas seriously.

    These youths are not so young now. They’ve wives and families of their own. Fools will dismiss them. The wise will listen.

    I recommend that those born like me before 1975 return to read your comment in its entirety—not with an eye to judge right or wrong, but with a heart to understand why the comment would have been written in the first place. Every paragraph merits consideration. Until one considers such paragraphs, I do not see how one can grasp what went wrong with the world we elders ran before the younger citizenry came of age.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    White U.S. Gentiles born before about 1975 fail to understand how many white U.S. Gentiles born after about 1975 take ideas like yours seriously. Worse, age fails to understand why youth takes such ideas seriously.
     
    Young people take melodramatic ideas seriously because they're young. When the Boomers were young they were going to smash the system, man. They were going to bring down the Establishment pigs. It was gonna be a revolution and the kids were going to lead it.

    Then the Boomers grew up.

    Wanting revolution is normal when you're young. When you get older you realise that revolutions aren't so easy and they aren't so awesome.

    When you're young everything is emotionally intense. Every injustice burns like fire. Only a revolution can fix things. It's useless to try to fix a corrupt system. It has to be burned to the ground. We're gonna make a new society.

    Young people think they can change the world and make it bright and shining and fair and just. That's the tragedy of being young. When you get older you realise life doesn't work that way. You smash the system and you get a worse system. You bring down the Establishment pigs and you get a new set of Establishment pigs. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @V. K. Ovelund

  47. @Supply and Demand
    @zimriel

    It will be called the "Beer Gut Putsch" this time around, given how the Million MAGA March looked.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    It will be called the “Beer Gut Putsch” this time around, given how the Million MAGA March looked.

    The Million MAGA March is the wrong place to look for putsch-capable spirit. Much of the serious dissident right moved on from Trump after the corrupt conviction of the innocent James Alex Fields, Jr., in Charlottesville.

    If you seek spirit with good physical conditioning, here is the place to look.

    If Donald Trump had stood up for Fields and refrained from launching Syrian missile strikes, the latter would have been the ones you saw at the Million MAGA.

  48. @Chrisnonymous
    @Supply and Demand

    Netanyahu wasted no time in congratulating Biden. So I think we know the validity of the Trump-Russia-Israel axis.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @GomezAdddams

    Netanyahu likes Trump and Biden Equally—no USA no Israel and Benny has his jets—

  49. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Priss Factor


    I have no illusions about the horrors of war. War should be avoided at all cost… except when things fall apart and there is no other way. Also, even though war is close to the worst thing ever, it is not the worst thing. The worst thing is the current condition of the West....
     
    White U.S. Gentiles born before about 1975 fail to understand how many white U.S. Gentiles born after about 1975 take ideas like yours seriously. Worse, age fails to understand why youth takes such ideas seriously.

    These youths are not so young now. They've wives and families of their own. Fools will dismiss them. The wise will listen.

    I recommend that those born like me before 1975 return to read your comment in its entirety—not with an eye to judge right or wrong, but with a heart to understand why the comment would have been written in the first place. Every paragraph merits consideration. Until one considers such paragraphs, I do not see how one can grasp what went wrong with the world we elders ran before the younger citizenry came of age.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    White U.S. Gentiles born before about 1975 fail to understand how many white U.S. Gentiles born after about 1975 take ideas like yours seriously. Worse, age fails to understand why youth takes such ideas seriously.

    Young people take melodramatic ideas seriously because they’re young. When the Boomers were young they were going to smash the system, man. They were going to bring down the Establishment pigs. It was gonna be a revolution and the kids were going to lead it.

    Then the Boomers grew up.

    Wanting revolution is normal when you’re young. When you get older you realise that revolutions aren’t so easy and they aren’t so awesome.

    When you’re young everything is emotionally intense. Every injustice burns like fire. Only a revolution can fix things. It’s useless to try to fix a corrupt system. It has to be burned to the ground. We’re gonna make a new society.

    Young people think they can change the world and make it bright and shining and fair and just. That’s the tragedy of being young. When you get older you realise life doesn’t work that way. You smash the system and you get a worse system. You bring down the Establishment pigs and you get a new set of Establishment pigs. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom


    Young people take melodramatic ideas seriously because they’re young.
     
    They're 45. Time has gotten away from us, my antipodal friend.

    Boomers were young they were going to smash the system, man. They were going to bring down the Establishment pigs. It was gonna be a revolution and the kids were going to lead it.
     
    It is clear that I will not convince you. They are not Boomers. Boomers are and always have been uniquely whacked.
    , @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom

    I forgot to add:


    You smash the system and you get a worse system.
     
    You know that I agree with you.

    There is indeed a smashing element in the younger citizens to which we refer, particularly under the age of 30. Mostly, given time, they'll grow out of it. I am talking about something else. Find an Alt-Righter between 30 and 45 and just listen.

    They're not correct on every point, but I think that you're too concerned to identify where they might not be correct. Maybe you don't actually know where they're not correct. Maybe you do, but like most of our generation, you're still missing the message.

    Listening was never the Boomers' strong suit, neither then nor now. You forget: when Boomers were young, they got listened to, plenty. Too much, really. They never thought that, one day, it would be their duty to listen, too.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

  50. What it proves is that 1. The GOP’s campaign of disinformation, orchestrated by the narcissist sociopath Cult Leader, succeeded. 2. There are a lot of idiots out there, what a shock.

    The fact is – and I am referring to fact only, not conjecture – is that there is no provable evidence of ANY fraud in this election, let alone enough fraud to overturn a 7 million vote loss. Provable evidence is when you can prove your claim in court against cross examination and with burden of proof, not by tweeting or quoting someone “who saw something”. Needless to mention, none of the dozens of lawsuits managed to provide a scintilla of evidence, but for people who want to believe in grand conspiracies to rationalize their loss, facts do not matter.

    What there is plenty of evidence is that the master con man, who managed to beguile a large part of the American populace, planned in advance to call fraud and rigged election in case he lost, as he did in 2016 and even in the Republican primaries. That is called a strategy for a sore loser that you would easily call out if a 6 year old carried out each time he lost. But the Sociopath managed to create for himself an image of a larger-than-life invincible cult leader, that even though all polls predicted his loss in this election, it comes as a surprise to his weak minded followers, who now have to resort to conspiracy theories to reconcile reality with what the fantasy world they have been living in. All cults must eventually face reality and the result in this case is a mental meltdown resulting from cognitive dissonance. This is not the first time this has happened, except for the scale.

    People used to believe in sea monsters and witches, nowadays they believe in baseless conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories such as the 2020 election fraud conspiracy theory, don’t have to make sense. The believers do not have to explain how such a conspiracy on a grand scale involving thousands of people across different states (coincidentally only in states that Trump lost) and different voting methods, can leave no provable evidence whatsoever. They’d rather believe that EVERYONE is in on it, from homeland security to elections officials from both parties, the AG, to the FBI, to the lower courts, Trump appointed judges, and now even SCOTUS. Because it makes their loss so much more bearable and unburdens them from facing reality that they supported a candidate who lost the election, a fact that came as no surprise to any observer who adhered to facts rather than fantasy and disinformation.

    Conspiracy theorists tend to think of themselves as smart, sophisticated, better informed than most people. But from what I have recently seen, they are the most gullible stupid people who simply fell for a crass and very unsophisticated disinformation campaign by a con man. The fact that these cult followers were gifted to the tune of $300 million since elections day is just the icing on the cake.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Ron T


    What there is plenty of evidence is that the master con man, who managed to beguile a large part of the American populace, planned in advance to call fraud and rigged election in case he lost
     
    There's no doubt that both Trump and his supporters were already pushing the stolen election line before the election actually happened, and that they were never going to accept the result if it went against him. Trump supporters couldn't accept the polling that indicated he was going to lose so they had to rationalise it away, which they did by claiming that the polls were an anti-Trump conspiracy. I think that a lot of Trump supporters really did sincerely convince themselves that there was going to be a vast conspiracy to steal the election from him. They just could not accept the idea that he might actually lose.

    The belief in conspiracy theories has been steadily gaining ground on the far right for a couple of years now. The fact that Trump, once elected, achieved very little (apart from tax cuts for the rich) and made no serious attempt to drain the swamp had to be explained away. Trump has been the most ardently Zionist president in history, he's been the most liberal and most pro-LGBT president in history, but that didn't fit in with their Make America Great Again fantasies so conspiracy theories were desperately needed.

    The dissident right also needs conspiracy theories to explain why they haven't had any success.

    Of course conspiracy theory thinking has become more rampant across the political spectrum. When reality conflicts with political fantasies, you just invent a conspiracy theory. It's become the standard way of dealing with cognitive dissonance.

    Replies: @Ron T

    , @Malla
    @Ron T


    People used to believe in sea monsters and witches, nowadays they believe in baseless conspiracy theories.
     
    Very good point. People used to believe in sea monster and witches. Today they believe in Marxist and leftist fantasies. Fantasies like genders are the same, races are the same, White privilege, neo colonialism, Utopia etc....
    It is sad how some humans can never truly be free and rational. Once they believed in religious dogma, now they are leftard morons.
  51. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    White U.S. Gentiles born before about 1975 fail to understand how many white U.S. Gentiles born after about 1975 take ideas like yours seriously. Worse, age fails to understand why youth takes such ideas seriously.
     
    Young people take melodramatic ideas seriously because they're young. When the Boomers were young they were going to smash the system, man. They were going to bring down the Establishment pigs. It was gonna be a revolution and the kids were going to lead it.

    Then the Boomers grew up.

    Wanting revolution is normal when you're young. When you get older you realise that revolutions aren't so easy and they aren't so awesome.

    When you're young everything is emotionally intense. Every injustice burns like fire. Only a revolution can fix things. It's useless to try to fix a corrupt system. It has to be burned to the ground. We're gonna make a new society.

    Young people think they can change the world and make it bright and shining and fair and just. That's the tragedy of being young. When you get older you realise life doesn't work that way. You smash the system and you get a worse system. You bring down the Establishment pigs and you get a new set of Establishment pigs. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @V. K. Ovelund

    Young people take melodramatic ideas seriously because they’re young.

    They’re 45. Time has gotten away from us, my antipodal friend.

    Boomers were young they were going to smash the system, man. They were going to bring down the Establishment pigs. It was gonna be a revolution and the kids were going to lead it.

    It is clear that I will not convince you. They are not Boomers. Boomers are and always have been uniquely whacked.

  52. @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    White U.S. Gentiles born before about 1975 fail to understand how many white U.S. Gentiles born after about 1975 take ideas like yours seriously. Worse, age fails to understand why youth takes such ideas seriously.
     
    Young people take melodramatic ideas seriously because they're young. When the Boomers were young they were going to smash the system, man. They were going to bring down the Establishment pigs. It was gonna be a revolution and the kids were going to lead it.

    Then the Boomers grew up.

    Wanting revolution is normal when you're young. When you get older you realise that revolutions aren't so easy and they aren't so awesome.

    When you're young everything is emotionally intense. Every injustice burns like fire. Only a revolution can fix things. It's useless to try to fix a corrupt system. It has to be burned to the ground. We're gonna make a new society.

    Young people think they can change the world and make it bright and shining and fair and just. That's the tragedy of being young. When you get older you realise life doesn't work that way. You smash the system and you get a worse system. You bring down the Establishment pigs and you get a new set of Establishment pigs. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @V. K. Ovelund

    I forgot to add:

    You smash the system and you get a worse system.

    You know that I agree with you.

    There is indeed a smashing element in the younger citizens to which we refer, particularly under the age of 30. Mostly, given time, they’ll grow out of it. I am talking about something else. Find an Alt-Righter between 30 and 45 and just listen.

    They’re not correct on every point, but I think that you’re too concerned to identify where they might not be correct. Maybe you don’t actually know where they’re not correct. Maybe you do, but like most of our generation, you’re still missing the message.

    Listening was never the Boomers’ strong suit, neither then nor now. You forget: when Boomers were young, they got listened to, plenty. Too much, really. They never thought that, one day, it would be their duty to listen, too.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @V. K. Ovelund

    @dfordoom: may I take this back?


    They never thought that, one day, it would be their duty to listen, too.
     
    You are probably the best listener on this blog.
    , @dfordoom
    @V. K. Ovelund


    There is indeed a smashing element in the younger citizens to which we refer, particularly under the age of 30.
     
    I talk to people in various age brackets in real life. The Boomers and early GenXers are much more grounded in reality and much more sceptical. Late GenXers and Millennials seem to be very herd-like. They don't seem to be capable of scepticism. The younger they are the more inclined they are to believe everything their peer group believes without question.

    My encounters with alt-righters online lead me to regard the alt-right as being very cult-like.
  53. @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom

    I forgot to add:


    You smash the system and you get a worse system.
     
    You know that I agree with you.

    There is indeed a smashing element in the younger citizens to which we refer, particularly under the age of 30. Mostly, given time, they'll grow out of it. I am talking about something else. Find an Alt-Righter between 30 and 45 and just listen.

    They're not correct on every point, but I think that you're too concerned to identify where they might not be correct. Maybe you don't actually know where they're not correct. Maybe you do, but like most of our generation, you're still missing the message.

    Listening was never the Boomers' strong suit, neither then nor now. You forget: when Boomers were young, they got listened to, plenty. Too much, really. They never thought that, one day, it would be their duty to listen, too.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    : may I take this back?

    They never thought that, one day, it would be their duty to listen, too.

    You are probably the best listener on this blog.

  54. @zimriel
    My position is that the Democrats stole the election and that's AWESOME.
    ... because of from whom they stole it. Also I never did think much of democracy where extended to stupid people.

    Replies: @Bro43rd, @Authenticjazzman

    Your comment is irony defined!

  55. @zimriel
    My position is that the Democrats stole the election and that's AWESOME.
    ... because of from whom they stole it. Also I never did think much of democracy where extended to stupid people.

    Replies: @Bro43rd, @Authenticjazzman

    My position is that you are a bloody fool, and a disgusting pos.

    AJM

  56. “On the bright side, if our rulers have any shame, they won’t be finger-wagging at other countries for alleged election improprieties for awhile. Cast out the beam out of thine own eye.”

    Funny!!!

  57. @Priss Factor
    @dfordoom


    No matter how bad things are now (and they’re not as bad as right-wing paranoiacs claim) a civil war could and almost certainly would make things much much worse.

     

    I have no illusions about the horrors of war. War should be avoided at all cost... except when things fall apart and there is no other way. Also, even though war is close to the worst thing ever, it is not the worst thing. The worst thing is the current condition of the West.

    Consider. Europe survived the horrible Napoleonic Wars. The wars that forged Germany and Italy into being. Europe even survived the two great wars in the 20th century. They were beyond belief in horror. And yet, Europe survived and, in some respects, even grew wiser and stronger from them. After WWII, many thought Europe was finished, and yet the rapid recovery led to a new order of freedom, order, and prosperity. Europeans never had it so good. Same with Japan and WWII. It was abject horror for the Japanese, but the nation did not die. It sprung back.

    But look at Europe and Japan now. Since WWII, they knew nothing but peace and prosperity. But they are dying civilizations. Low birthrate, moral degeneracy, cultural decadence, infantilism, lack of sovereignty, servility to the US that is, in turn, servile to Evil Jewish Power. Incredibly, Japan and Europe may fade as people/culture/civilization in peace time when no one's hungry.

    Consider the two Roman Empires. The West fell and was demolished. The Eastern Empire survived. But from the ashes, a greater civilization developed in the West whereas the Eastern Empire experienced a long slow death.
    Compare Europe and the Ottomans. In Europe, every nation/kingdom lost a series of wars and was even crushed several times. But they all grew stronger. In contrast, the Ottomans experienced a prolonged of hegemony over parts of southern Europe, most of Near East, and parts of North Africa. And yet it kept declining until it faded into dust.

    Now, it would be best/ideal IF people could learn the lessons of history without war and violence. So much hell could be avoided If people could remember more and see further. But it's so easy for people to fall into mental traps. Take China in the 19th century. If people there had been just more alert and curious of foreign powers, they could have made necessary changes. But they were so immersed in the old way that they found it nearly impossible to climb out of the hole despite the momentous challenges. So, there had to be massive violence of all kinds for China to finally arrive at a new way of doing things. When the peace is rotten, only violence can tear out the rot. It's like there is no saving a rotting tooth. It must be pulled out.
    Tens of millions died in China. Possibly 100 million died unnatural deaths in a century. But it led to the transformation of China into a new order, a stronger one that is more aware of the challenges of the world. It finally abandoned complacency and elite decadence.

    So, war is hell. But it's the kind of hell that bitch-slaps history in the face and make it wake up to what really matters. It is sobering. The Great Depression and WWII were bad times for the US in some ways but also a great time because those crises shook the nation from the frivolity of the Jazz Age. It would be nice if people in peacetime didn't become decadent and stupid. But people have short memories and so often turn rotten. And sometimes, the only way people can regain their senses is through hellfire. It's like a kid has to be spanked when he's totally spoiled. Now, if the parents have sense, they will raise the kid not to be spoiled. Sadly, so many modern people are spoiled. BLM is blacks acting like Bam Bam in FLINTSTONES. Blacks bitch about evil whitey but the best way to make blacks appreciate white folks is by beating the shit out of them. Whup their ass, and they will respect whitey again.

    The hell of war has a redeeming value in its sobering effect. War is so dire that no one who experiences it, as soldier or civilian, can come off without some serious lesson. In contrast, the humdrum hell of decadence/degeneracy under peace and prosperity is, in the long run, far worse because it's like an opiate than a slap in the face. In recent years, more whites died of opioids than in Vietnam War. And yet, this hell went unnoticed because it happened in peacetime and also because the druggies were addicted to pleasure.
    When you're house is on fire, you wake up and realize the value of your life and property. But if you're dying of carbon monoxide, you don't even know you're dying. There are no flames to burn you or your property, but you may well slip into death without even knowing. War is destructive but sobering. It wakes people up. In contrast, death-by-decadence clouds the mind.

    Besides, white Americans may not need to start the war. In some ways, it has started already. The riots of 2020 were low-level war. Blacks and Antifa thugs committed acts of arson. They toppled monuments. Worse, the elites gave their blessing to the thugs. The elites are supposed to defend property, heritage, and law-abiding people from thugs, but they did the opposite. When Trump called for order, even his generals condemned him while doing nothing to protect people. When people wielded guns to protect their property from marauding thugs(called 'mostly peaceful protesters'), the police were told to stand down and the courts went hard on property-owners while only slapping the thugs on the wrist.

    So, the war is already on. The question is how will patriots respond? One thing for sure, it can't be by violence alone. Violence needs vision.

    And have you considered the possibility that your side might actually lose the civil war? Have you thought about what the consequences of that would be?
     
    There are many kinds of wars. There are cases where one side wins militarily, and that's that. But there is another kind of war, one of the spirit and soul. And this war goes on and on even in defeat. How many setbacks did Early Christians suffer before taking over the Roman Empire? Now, one could argue they gained power through persuasion than warfare, but they never gave up. Both Muhammad and Genghis Khan suffered many setbacks, but they kept at it until they won. Mao and communists were driven to the edge of China. They were nearly totally wiped out and barely made it out of the Long March. But they never gave up because they were true believers. The Vietnamese were smashed by the US many times and millions died. But their patriotism and ideology were the stuff of steel and they never gave up.
    Even among the losers, the glory belongs to those who fought. Poles got smashed whereas Czechs were relatively unscathed under German Domination, but Poles own the pride because they resisted unlike the Czechs who just cowered. American Indians were respected by the white man because they fought as brave warriors.

    If there must be a civil war in the US, it mustn't be merely about who has more guns. It has to be about who has the vision, the kind of vision that survives even defeat. There must be a white Muhammad with a new covenant as Christianity is dead.

    At any rate, what else is there for Americans when the contract is broken? Violence was common throughout history. It was common between rulers and ruled, between rulers and rulers, between people and people. The rulers feared the ruled, and the ruled feared the rulers.

    But with the rule of law, there was a contract between the rulers and the ruled and among the ruled themselves. People would not resort to violence because agreed-upon-rules were observed by all.
    But that contract has eroded in the US. Why has Latin American 'democracy' been so fragile with so many outbreaks of violence? Because the rules were on paper but hardly in practice.
    Under Jewish rule, the US rule of law is fading fast. The only rule that matters is "What Jews Want". Jews will use bribery, blackmail, fraud, and propaganda to get their way. When Americans are reduced to the state of Palestinians, what else is there? Jews are nihilistic, and whites in institutions are either craven cowards or brainwashed cucks.

    Also, people generally fear war because they got too much to lose. But as Americans, esp whites, look into the future, they won't have much to call their own. If a people don't have much to lose, why fear war? I can understand not wanting to lose one's wealth and property, but one should always be willing to lose one's chains to gain the nation.

    Bit by bit, things are being taken away from whites. Their jobs, their right to speech, their freedom of assembly, their choice of habitat, their control of their own children, their identity, their sanity, their guns. If Jews have their way, say goodbye to first and second amendments.
    Jews can crush the people of Gaza, but when so many white rise up as New Palestinians against White Nakba, things can change. And History will happen again.

    Also, history is always about risks. In SEVEN SAMURAI, one peasant fears defeat and urges the village just give into the bandits. The other peasant urges they stand and fight. Courage is no assurance of victory, but history will always belong to the bold, not to the fearful.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @anon

    No matter how bad it may be, some turdball will always decide he’s too important

    [MORE]

    to learn how to use MORE.

  58. @Ron T
    What it proves is that 1. The GOP’s campaign of disinformation, orchestrated by the narcissist sociopath Cult Leader, succeeded. 2. There are a lot of idiots out there, what a shock.

    The fact is - and I am referring to fact only, not conjecture - is that there is no provable evidence of ANY fraud in this election, let alone enough fraud to overturn a 7 million vote loss. Provable evidence is when you can prove your claim in court against cross examination and with burden of proof, not by tweeting or quoting someone “who saw something”. Needless to mention, none of the dozens of lawsuits managed to provide a scintilla of evidence, but for people who want to believe in grand conspiracies to rationalize their loss, facts do not matter.

    What there is plenty of evidence is that the master con man, who managed to beguile a large part of the American populace, planned in advance to call fraud and rigged election in case he lost, as he did in 2016 and even in the Republican primaries. That is called a strategy for a sore loser that you would easily call out if a 6 year old carried out each time he lost. But the Sociopath managed to create for himself an image of a larger-than-life invincible cult leader, that even though all polls predicted his loss in this election, it comes as a surprise to his weak minded followers, who now have to resort to conspiracy theories to reconcile reality with what the fantasy world they have been living in. All cults must eventually face reality and the result in this case is a mental meltdown resulting from cognitive dissonance. This is not the first time this has happened, except for the scale.

    People used to believe in sea monsters and witches, nowadays they believe in baseless conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories such as the 2020 election fraud conspiracy theory, don’t have to make sense. The believers do not have to explain how such a conspiracy on a grand scale involving thousands of people across different states (coincidentally only in states that Trump lost) and different voting methods, can leave no provable evidence whatsoever. They’d rather believe that EVERYONE is in on it, from homeland security to elections officials from both parties, the AG, to the FBI, to the lower courts, Trump appointed judges, and now even SCOTUS. Because it makes their loss so much more bearable and unburdens them from facing reality that they supported a candidate who lost the election, a fact that came as no surprise to any observer who adhered to facts rather than fantasy and disinformation.

    Conspiracy theorists tend to think of themselves as smart, sophisticated, better informed than most people. But from what I have recently seen, they are the most gullible stupid people who simply fell for a crass and very unsophisticated disinformation campaign by a con man. The fact that these cult followers were gifted to the tune of $300 million since elections day is just the icing on the cake.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Malla

    What there is plenty of evidence is that the master con man, who managed to beguile a large part of the American populace, planned in advance to call fraud and rigged election in case he lost

    There’s no doubt that both Trump and his supporters were already pushing the stolen election line before the election actually happened, and that they were never going to accept the result if it went against him. Trump supporters couldn’t accept the polling that indicated he was going to lose so they had to rationalise it away, which they did by claiming that the polls were an anti-Trump conspiracy. I think that a lot of Trump supporters really did sincerely convince themselves that there was going to be a vast conspiracy to steal the election from him. They just could not accept the idea that he might actually lose.

    The belief in conspiracy theories has been steadily gaining ground on the far right for a couple of years now. The fact that Trump, once elected, achieved very little (apart from tax cuts for the rich) and made no serious attempt to drain the swamp had to be explained away. Trump has been the most ardently Zionist president in history, he’s been the most liberal and most pro-LGBT president in history, but that didn’t fit in with their Make America Great Again fantasies so conspiracy theories were desperately needed.

    The dissident right also needs conspiracy theories to explain why they haven’t had any success.

    Of course conspiracy theory thinking has become more rampant across the political spectrum. When reality conflicts with political fantasies, you just invent a conspiracy theory. It’s become the standard way of dealing with cognitive dissonance.

    • Replies: @Ron T
    @dfordoom

    Agreed. I am shocked that there’s an additional rational person on this message board as most of my recent encounters here have been with conspiracy fans. I watched how unz in recent years deteriorated from a collection of thought provoking articles, to a conspiracy website, and the audience changed along with it.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  59. @V. K. Ovelund
    @dfordoom

    I forgot to add:


    You smash the system and you get a worse system.
     
    You know that I agree with you.

    There is indeed a smashing element in the younger citizens to which we refer, particularly under the age of 30. Mostly, given time, they'll grow out of it. I am talking about something else. Find an Alt-Righter between 30 and 45 and just listen.

    They're not correct on every point, but I think that you're too concerned to identify where they might not be correct. Maybe you don't actually know where they're not correct. Maybe you do, but like most of our generation, you're still missing the message.

    Listening was never the Boomers' strong suit, neither then nor now. You forget: when Boomers were young, they got listened to, plenty. Too much, really. They never thought that, one day, it would be their duty to listen, too.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @dfordoom

    There is indeed a smashing element in the younger citizens to which we refer, particularly under the age of 30.

    I talk to people in various age brackets in real life. The Boomers and early GenXers are much more grounded in reality and much more sceptical. Late GenXers and Millennials seem to be very herd-like. They don’t seem to be capable of scepticism. The younger they are the more inclined they are to believe everything their peer group believes without question.

    My encounters with alt-righters online lead me to regard the alt-right as being very cult-like.

  60. @dfordoom
    @Ron T


    What there is plenty of evidence is that the master con man, who managed to beguile a large part of the American populace, planned in advance to call fraud and rigged election in case he lost
     
    There's no doubt that both Trump and his supporters were already pushing the stolen election line before the election actually happened, and that they were never going to accept the result if it went against him. Trump supporters couldn't accept the polling that indicated he was going to lose so they had to rationalise it away, which they did by claiming that the polls were an anti-Trump conspiracy. I think that a lot of Trump supporters really did sincerely convince themselves that there was going to be a vast conspiracy to steal the election from him. They just could not accept the idea that he might actually lose.

    The belief in conspiracy theories has been steadily gaining ground on the far right for a couple of years now. The fact that Trump, once elected, achieved very little (apart from tax cuts for the rich) and made no serious attempt to drain the swamp had to be explained away. Trump has been the most ardently Zionist president in history, he's been the most liberal and most pro-LGBT president in history, but that didn't fit in with their Make America Great Again fantasies so conspiracy theories were desperately needed.

    The dissident right also needs conspiracy theories to explain why they haven't had any success.

    Of course conspiracy theory thinking has become more rampant across the political spectrum. When reality conflicts with political fantasies, you just invent a conspiracy theory. It's become the standard way of dealing with cognitive dissonance.

    Replies: @Ron T

    Agreed. I am shocked that there’s an additional rational person on this message board as most of my recent encounters here have been with conspiracy fans. I watched how unz in recent years deteriorated from a collection of thought provoking articles, to a conspiracy website, and the audience changed along with it.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Ron T


    I watched how unz in recent years deteriorated from a collection of thought provoking articles, to a conspiracy website, and the audience changed along with it.
     
    It's a change that seems to have happened to the whole of the dissident right. When the alt-right emerged in 2016 it seemed like it might really be a viable alternative with something positive to offer. But over the past couple of years it's become obvious that they've achieved nothing (and their hero Trump achieved nothing). So they've retreated into a fantasy world in which all their failures (and all Trump's failures) are explained away by more and more elaborate conspiracy theories.

    And once you go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole there's no coming back. You end up coming up with new conspiracy theories to explain why the old conspiracy theories didn't work.

    The paranoia level has also been steadily increasing. Yes I know that even paranoiacs have real enemies but paranoia, like conspiracy theories, is a rabbit hole from which there's no escape. Once to adopt a paranoid mindset then everything serves to reinforce your paranoia.
  61. @Ron T
    @dfordoom

    Agreed. I am shocked that there’s an additional rational person on this message board as most of my recent encounters here have been with conspiracy fans. I watched how unz in recent years deteriorated from a collection of thought provoking articles, to a conspiracy website, and the audience changed along with it.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I watched how unz in recent years deteriorated from a collection of thought provoking articles, to a conspiracy website, and the audience changed along with it.

    It’s a change that seems to have happened to the whole of the dissident right. When the alt-right emerged in 2016 it seemed like it might really be a viable alternative with something positive to offer. But over the past couple of years it’s become obvious that they’ve achieved nothing (and their hero Trump achieved nothing). So they’ve retreated into a fantasy world in which all their failures (and all Trump’s failures) are explained away by more and more elaborate conspiracy theories.

    And once you go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole there’s no coming back. You end up coming up with new conspiracy theories to explain why the old conspiracy theories didn’t work.

    The paranoia level has also been steadily increasing. Yes I know that even paranoiacs have real enemies but paranoia, like conspiracy theories, is a rabbit hole from which there’s no escape. Once to adopt a paranoid mindset then everything serves to reinforce your paranoia.

  62. An absolute must: The entire Republican senate and congress entities must issue the declarations that they do not and will not accept JB as the legitimate president of the US, and that his usurpation of the office of US president was gained entirely through fraud and manipulation of the voting procedures, period.

    The Democrat scumbags have to come to the realization that they will not be running the country, and that they are considered to be in illegal occupation of the WH.

    AJM

  63. @Mark G.
    A bigger problem is that politicians are making decisions about things they shouldn't be able to make decisions about. People should be free to be able to do what they want as long as they accept any consequences from bad decisions and aren't harming anyone else with their actions. Once you start down the road that all decisions should be made by political leaders instead of individuals you massively increase the power of those leaders. You will then attract power hungry individuals to politics who will take increasingly amoral and dishonest actions to get and maintain that power. There will be ever more brazen attempts to cheat in elections from now on until we reach a point elections become a farce.

    Replies: @nosquat loquat

    “until we reach a point elections become a farce”

    We are way beyond that point. Bush/Cheney won by fraud in 2000 (Florida) and 2004 (Ohio). And they proceeded to turn the world upside down.

    That was when the deep state, and the neocons, had their wagons hitched to the Rep. party.

    Fast-forward to 2020. The deep state/neocon mafia is firmly ensconced in the Dem party now. And: surprise surprise! They got back in!

    Expect many bad things to happen.

    A curious note. Remember when Hillary asked Jill Stein to demand a recount in Michigan in 2016? And do you remember how that turned out? They STOPPED the recount when it started turning up many uncounted votes for Trump!

    Even liberal Bev Harris, formerly of Black Box Voting, admitted that the cheating that was found in 2016 was heavily weighted towards Hillary.

    That was clearly why they thought she couldn’t lose. I suspect Trump’s tally was much higher than we were told. And even higher in 2020.

    Disclaimer: I equally despise both US political parties and want to seem them both smashed up into a thousand pieces. Only a multiparty system, by creating the need for civilized dialogue, cooperation, and coalitions, will save the republic. For now, I say, let it fall, in the hope that something will rise from the ashes.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @nosquat loquat


    civilized dialogue, cooperation, and coalitions
     
    Today we have name-calling and finger pointing, massive censorship, division along every possible metric, and every crook for himself.

    There is nobody with any authority to have a dialogue with....
  64. @nosquat loquat
    @Mark G.

    "until we reach a point elections become a farce"

    We are way beyond that point. Bush/Cheney won by fraud in 2000 (Florida) and 2004 (Ohio). And they proceeded to turn the world upside down.

    That was when the deep state, and the neocons, had their wagons hitched to the Rep. party.

    Fast-forward to 2020. The deep state/neocon mafia is firmly ensconced in the Dem party now. And: surprise surprise! They got back in!

    Expect many bad things to happen.

    A curious note. Remember when Hillary asked Jill Stein to demand a recount in Michigan in 2016? And do you remember how that turned out? They STOPPED the recount when it started turning up many uncounted votes for Trump!

    Even liberal Bev Harris, formerly of Black Box Voting, admitted that the cheating that was found in 2016 was heavily weighted towards Hillary.

    That was clearly why they thought she couldn't lose. I suspect Trump's tally was much higher than we were told. And even higher in 2020.

    Disclaimer: I equally despise both US political parties and want to seem them both smashed up into a thousand pieces. Only a multiparty system, by creating the need for civilized dialogue, cooperation, and coalitions, will save the republic. For now, I say, let it fall, in the hope that something will rise from the ashes.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    civilized dialogue, cooperation, and coalitions

    Today we have name-calling and finger pointing, massive censorship, division along every possible metric, and every crook for himself.

    There is nobody with any authority to have a dialogue with….

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  65. @Supply and Demand
    I'm curious to see if there's polling data regarding the likelihood of the elections being rigged by Putin in favor of Trump or China/Biden. Unlike most of the Unz readership, I have difficultly imagining that nearly 200 million Americans voted this time around.

    Most millennials of my peer group bragged on twitter that they didn't bother opening their mail-in ballot. We're the largest demographic slice after the boomers by a significant margin. I really had to hustle quite aggressively to get some to pencil-in Biden.

    It might just be that China has the better vote rigging operation than Russia/Israel, as I simply don't believe Trump's "Israel First" governance could actually garner 70 million votes, nor could Biden's "China First" do 10 million better.

    Replies: @Talha, @Chrisnonymous, @Audacious Epigone

    There was a poll a few months back showing Americans thought Russia wanted Trump to win and China wanted Biden to win. For the general public, it’s not a bad take.

  66. @Realist

    On the bright side, if our rulers have any shame, they won’t be finger-wagging at other countries for alleged election improprieties for awhile.
     
    You don't really believe that...do you?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    No.

  67. @Ron T
    What it proves is that 1. The GOP’s campaign of disinformation, orchestrated by the narcissist sociopath Cult Leader, succeeded. 2. There are a lot of idiots out there, what a shock.

    The fact is - and I am referring to fact only, not conjecture - is that there is no provable evidence of ANY fraud in this election, let alone enough fraud to overturn a 7 million vote loss. Provable evidence is when you can prove your claim in court against cross examination and with burden of proof, not by tweeting or quoting someone “who saw something”. Needless to mention, none of the dozens of lawsuits managed to provide a scintilla of evidence, but for people who want to believe in grand conspiracies to rationalize their loss, facts do not matter.

    What there is plenty of evidence is that the master con man, who managed to beguile a large part of the American populace, planned in advance to call fraud and rigged election in case he lost, as he did in 2016 and even in the Republican primaries. That is called a strategy for a sore loser that you would easily call out if a 6 year old carried out each time he lost. But the Sociopath managed to create for himself an image of a larger-than-life invincible cult leader, that even though all polls predicted his loss in this election, it comes as a surprise to his weak minded followers, who now have to resort to conspiracy theories to reconcile reality with what the fantasy world they have been living in. All cults must eventually face reality and the result in this case is a mental meltdown resulting from cognitive dissonance. This is not the first time this has happened, except for the scale.

    People used to believe in sea monsters and witches, nowadays they believe in baseless conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories such as the 2020 election fraud conspiracy theory, don’t have to make sense. The believers do not have to explain how such a conspiracy on a grand scale involving thousands of people across different states (coincidentally only in states that Trump lost) and different voting methods, can leave no provable evidence whatsoever. They’d rather believe that EVERYONE is in on it, from homeland security to elections officials from both parties, the AG, to the FBI, to the lower courts, Trump appointed judges, and now even SCOTUS. Because it makes their loss so much more bearable and unburdens them from facing reality that they supported a candidate who lost the election, a fact that came as no surprise to any observer who adhered to facts rather than fantasy and disinformation.

    Conspiracy theorists tend to think of themselves as smart, sophisticated, better informed than most people. But from what I have recently seen, they are the most gullible stupid people who simply fell for a crass and very unsophisticated disinformation campaign by a con man. The fact that these cult followers were gifted to the tune of $300 million since elections day is just the icing on the cake.

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    People used to believe in sea monsters and witches, nowadays they believe in baseless conspiracy theories.

    Very good point. People used to believe in sea monster and witches. Today they believe in Marxist and leftist fantasies. Fantasies like genders are the same, races are the same, White privilege, neo colonialism, Utopia etc….
    It is sad how some humans can never truly be free and rational. Once they believed in religious dogma, now they are leftard morons.

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