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One of the worst boomercon takes during the runup to the 2020 presidential election was that Joe Biden was the antifa and BLM candidate. It may have been an electorally useful tactic–though not useful enough–but in terms of truth value, there isn’t much. To assume they have a candidate is to fundamentally misunderstand what those movements are about. And if they had to have one, Biden/Harris wouldn’t be it.

As we predicted, the inauguration didn’t put an end to their direct action. In Portland, a black bloc paid the Democrat party headquarters a visit. In Washington, BLM activists shut down a freeway.

One of the biggest open questions of the next couple of years is how the Establishment is going to deal with the far left. The issues that caused the disaffection that nearly gave us Sanders and did give us Trump in 2016 have not gone away. While the soap operatic rage against and defense of Orange Man diverted attention away from those issues for the last five years, they are all still there.

Not only are they still there, they’ve gotten worse. The labor force participation rate is down, student debt is up, wealth inequality is growing, racial tensions are rising, tens of millions of people are on borrowed time as an avalanche of eviction notices is tenuously held back by stopgap federal legislation the congressional paymasters don’t like, commodity prices are rising, record trade deficits continue growing, caravans of migrants from Latin America are heading north, states and municipalities are hopelessly insolvent without federal government bailouts that will be entirely financed by Federal Reserve money creation–these were things were pressing issues five years ago and they’re more pressing now.

As the powers that be aim explicitly at the heart of heritage America, the populist right increasingly feels like it has nothing to lose by refusing to play by the rules. The anarcho-left is emboldened by the near impunity with which they’ve been able to engage in aggressive civil unrest over the last year. They are wasting no time challenging the new regime. The Establishment has outmaneuvered the populist right and the disaffected left over the last several years, but it has not ameliorated any of their problems. It has only made them worse. They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration. That isn’t the case, and it will be obvious soon.

 
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  1. They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration.

    This is the essence of the problem. Simplistic perceptions of reality prevail within most manifestations of radicalism, whether from the left or the right. One of the many mythologies that radicalism buys into is the belief that zombie-mind-control qualities are inherent in all oppositional leadership. Radicals believe that once the source of the hypno-ray beams is gone, the brain implants can be removed. Mass mind control has considerable basis in reality, but it’s far more complicated than those who exist in a perpetual emotional state (i.e., radicals, who are themselves more susceptible to mind control than most) can understand.

    This brings up many thoughts about our current situation for me, but the one that’s hovering closest at the moment is my perception that – in the spirit of blind equality and inclusiveness – an unstated (and possibly subconscious) goal of the far left is to give a legitimate voice to stupidity. Because people with IQ’s of under 90 need to have their ideas represented in government, too.

    • Replies: @goldgettin
    @J1234

    Great comment.You are on it,though we know it goes deeper.
    We need to delve further into reason, or the
    reasons for this reality. It could be a survival mechanism
    that is on par with freedom,and even necessary for the
    betterment of the planet.It's a brake on the expertise of our
    experts, maybe a good thing?
    Right thinking is a very,very slow process.Mis takes happen
    and the "stakes" are so very,very hi how ya do'ing...

    , @Luus Kanin
    @J1234

    Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I disagree with your supposition that the left's goal is to give voice to stupidity. I believe it is more sinister than that. While the person giving a peanut to the elephant may argue it is an act of benevolence, others may notice the nicely tended garden the elephant traipsed through to get to the peanut.

  2. Yeah, I think covid has damaged our economy far more than is apparent. Assuming the vaccines do get us through the pandemic in a few months we might find there isn’t a lot left to reopen. Those not in the top 10 or 20 percent of income earners are not going to have the money to go back to restaurants or take cruises even if they can safely do so.

    The spending spree in DC may not be possible if it causes bond vigilantes to reappear and push interest rates higher. Our balance of payments is going to deteriorate a lot because of Biden’s war on the US oil industry. Production was already declining because of low prices and as US production declines the oil price will go up. $3 dollar a gallon gasoline may be just around the corner. People are going to notice that. Any rapid rise in the minimum wage is going to accelerate the push to automate low skill work just when people are going to need those jobs again.

    Then there is the enormous overhang of unpaid rent and mortgages. Its not going to disappear even if the covid virus does. We’ve built a potemkin economy resting on a foundation of unpayable debt. It won’t take much to bring it all down.

    • Agree: RoatanBill, Mark G.
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @unit472

    To some extent, the bond vigilantes have been sidelined by the Fed. The Fed is now just monetizing gov't debt by increases in their balance sheet. They can keep this up without bond yields going up for quite some time till the rest of the world decides that the dollar is toilet paper and there's a mass exit from the dollar in trade.

    The reserve currency status is the only thing keeping the dollar afloat and even that has been steadily deteriorating for quite some time. There's a tipping point somewhere. I don't know where it is and neither does anyone else. We'll find out where it was after the fact and by that time no law, no Fed maneuvers, no IMF or World Bank intervention will save the dollar. The only out they might have is a digital dollar that forces all USians into continuing to use it. If they manage to introduce it before a dollar collapse, they can buy some time, but the rest of the worlds investors will dump the dollar as too risky. Prices in the US could rise dramatically as asset prices fall like a rock. That then becomes the new crisis and a wash, rinse repeat cycle starts again, but of a much shorter duration. All these machinations are ultimately pissing into the wind.

  3. Firstly, A.E., I almost always agree on your take on the financial SHTF to come, as you, of all the article/column writers on this site, seem to understand this the best. (OK, you’re tied with Ron Paul, but he has this unrealistic optimism at the bottom of each column.) I am glad to see your occasional posts without the graphs, as I just don’t trust the data as much as you do, or seem to.

    Specifically about your take on the antifa Commies and BLM thugs here:

    The labor force participation rate is down, student debt is up, wealth inequality is growing, racial tensions are rising, tens of millions of people are on borrowed time as an avalanche of eviction notices is tenuously held back by stopgap federal legislation the congressional paymasters don’t like, commodity prices are rising, record trade deficits continue growing, caravans of migrants from Latin America are heading north, states and municipalities are hopelessly insolvent without federal government bailouts that will be entirely financed by Federal Reserve money creation –

    I really don’t see that this is anything that these ctrl-left useful idiots in the streets have any problem with. They WANT destruction of this country, and, no, they don’t expect to pay back student loans or move out of their apartments, if this will just hurry up for them.

    I can see why they are pissed at Zhou Bai Dien, as he is acting a little bit too organized and law-abiding. I think they will be happier once the Superspreader takes the reins, or at least they think they will be. She will give them more of what they want or mouth off in that direction.

    Yes, the right has lots less to lose now. They are being shut out of the political system very swiftly.

    BTW, I can’t believe Ann Coulter, usually a pretty politically courageous pundit, IMO, decided to go with the flow on this ridiculous new domestic terrorism/insurrection crap. I have directly called her a liar in the post “Et tu, Ann?!”. What say you, Charles Pewitt? I expect a round of tweets about this.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I really don’t see that this is anything that these ctrl-left useful idiots in the streets have any problem with. They WANT destruction of this country
     
    I think you may be making the same mistake the Democrats made in 2016. They assumed that there was no validity at all to the concerns of the Trumpsters and that they were just Nazis and white supremacists who wanted to bring back slavery.

    You're assuming that there is no validity at all to the concerns that are motivating the "far left" and that they can all be dismissed as dirty stinkin' commies who hate America. Most of the antifa and BLM crowd are stupid (and they were being ruthlessly used by the bankers and billionaires but the anger driving them is just as real as the anger driving the MAGA crowd.

    The problem is that both the antifa and MAGA crowds were not smart enough to figure out that they were being used. They were being played. Maybe both groups are starting to figure that out now.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't support the antifa lot but the economic and social injustices that have motivated both the antifa and MAGA crowds are real. Both those groups were justified in being angry, but both sides lacked the political sophistication to direct their anger at those who were actually screwing them.

    There's a difference between hating your country and hating what is being done to your country by the elites. There's a difference between hating your country and hating the current regime.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  4. anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration.

    The middle class took the high road with the TEA party. Formal “petition for redress of grievances” just as the Constitution says, including a barely reported rally on the National Mall. That rally left the Mall cleaner than they found it, probably the only time it’s ever happened. What was the result? IMO the GOPe totally co-opted the TEA party and neutered it.

    Skip a few years, and the middle class took the elected route with Donald Trump. This so offended the mandarins of the upper class and upper middle class that we see a total campaign of lies and deceit, outright crimes committed right on camera and so forth. The outrage among the UMC glitterati over the mostly peaceful entrance into the Capitol is in stark contrast to the massive indifference to billions of dollars in damage by Antifa / OBLM.

    Try this with a friendly UMC professional: “We asked nicely with the TEA party. We asked not so nicely with Trump. What do you think comes after this?”. Most won’t get it, a few will.

    Unfortunately the response from the mandarins appears to be something like “We’ll suppress that harder and faster!” which is not a real good plan.

    The mandarins live in splendid isolation, almost entirely unaffected by their own policies. Not a new thing in history, and it often has turned out badly for all concerned. If Section 8 housing could be plopped into gated communities, if every high end Manhattan apartment house had some Section 8 apartments, just for a start, if the UMC mandarins had to drink from the same dirty cup as everyone else, maybe they would dial back on the pressure.

    That’s why I laugh at the feminists outraged over Biden’s Title IX trans Exec Order – because for once it’s gonna bite UMC’s harder than the middle class. Oh, little Brittney didn’t get on the girl’s lacrosse team because pre-transition “Susie” plays so much better, and now Brittney’s scholarship is vaporized? That’s a such a shame.

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @anon

    "every high end Manhattan apartment house had some Section 8 apartments"

    A lot of new developments have to hold 20% of apartments for low-income people. The major difference is that atrocious antisocial behavior isn't tolerated. Imagine getting the right to rent in a space with a pool you have access to in Manhattan, and paying 1/5th the going rate.

    Replies: @anon

  5. Why don’t “Antifa” just do what thousands of ex-college students have done to screw over Sallie Mae? Move to Europe and disappear.

  6. “As the powers that be aim explicitly at the heart of heritage America, the populist right increasingly feels like it has nothing to lose by refusing to play by the rules.”

    Well it helps to at least go through the motions.

    When I see stories like this:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/atilis-gym-ian-smith-co-owner-new-jersey-legal-defense-fund

    I am reminded of the movie Cool Hand Luke.

    The power may be corrupt and unfair, but it sure is real. Those 50,000 troops and police officers at the inauguration, 100 for every Congress critter at the inauguration, were real and so were the 50,000 guns.

    I have a friend who owns a beautiful gym. He collects all the government aid checks that are available, and he nominally complies with the rules. He perseveres amid difficult conditions.

    He doesn’t were a mask, and reports that he has a medical condition, which he cannot disclose, that prevents him from doing so. This is a valid reason to give and so they must accept it.

    The point?

    Open rebellion when things aren’t yet desperate isn’t likely to end well.

  7. The “True Believers” want their “Utopia” NOW.
    They won’t get it, either way.
    Usually, these “useful idiots” are shot after the revolution is completed.

    The Marxist Revolution has not come to an end.
    The “useful idiots” are simply getting restless.
    They want to EAT THE RICH.

    This could be interesting, after all.
    If they really want to EAT THE RICH and attack them.
    I’ll bring the gravy…

  8. The Establishment has outmaneuvered the populist right and the disaffected left over the last several years, but it has not ameliorated any of their problems. It has only made them worse. They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration. That isn’t the case, and it will be obvious soon.

    The Antifa are interesting. It’s clear they’re mostly white. The current society and system offers them nothing. They were useful in creating chaos and so not suppressed by local authorities to undermine the issue of law and order. But the system still offers them nothing that would make them give up the struggle. It’s not surprising that they continued it.

    Now theEstablishement has made it clear to a larger group of whites that it intends to offer them nothing, indeed intends to take away even more from them. Call them Right Antifa.

    As the oligarchy skims more and more for the top, the numbers of people cut out of any meaningful piece of the overall picture is going to get really large.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @TomSchmidt

    Antifa and alt right are two sides of the same coin... Nationalism and socialism. Angry disaffected young white people.

    HMMM

    Young white people of all types are screwed. How convienent that the elite keep them fighting each other instead of focusing on the real "problems".

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @TomSchmidt


    The Antifa are interesting. It’s clear they’re mostly white. The current society and system offers them nothing. They were useful in creating chaos and so not suppressed by local authorities to undermine the issue of law and order. But the system still offers them nothing that would make them give up the struggle.
     
    I can't think of any functional or even coherent system or society that could offer the Tweaker Legions of Antifa any place that wasn't simply a continuation of their self-determined role of unskilled, unemployable, frequently diseased and/or mentally defective parasites and street thugs, seemingly paid off in hard drugs as well as cash from .. somewhere.

    Maybe Beijing Biden will form an anti-nationalist Cheka division out of them, give them all leather coats, black cars and a licence to kill at their own pleasure (which they already presume to have).

    And those local authorities are plainly compromised by "external actors", having no regard for the mere law-abiding tax-cattle of their fiefdoms, or even the United States itself.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  9. @anon
    They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration.

    The middle class took the high road with the TEA party. Formal "petition for redress of grievances" just as the Constitution says, including a barely reported rally on the National Mall. That rally left the Mall cleaner than they found it, probably the only time it's ever happened. What was the result? IMO the GOPe totally co-opted the TEA party and neutered it.

    Skip a few years, and the middle class took the elected route with Donald Trump. This so offended the mandarins of the upper class and upper middle class that we see a total campaign of lies and deceit, outright crimes committed right on camera and so forth. The outrage among the UMC glitterati over the mostly peaceful entrance into the Capitol is in stark contrast to the massive indifference to billions of dollars in damage by Antifa / OBLM.

    Try this with a friendly UMC professional: "We asked nicely with the TEA party. We asked not so nicely with Trump. What do you think comes after this?". Most won't get it, a few will.

    Unfortunately the response from the mandarins appears to be something like "We'll suppress that harder and faster!" which is not a real good plan.

    The mandarins live in splendid isolation, almost entirely unaffected by their own policies. Not a new thing in history, and it often has turned out badly for all concerned. If Section 8 housing could be plopped into gated communities, if every high end Manhattan apartment house had some Section 8 apartments, just for a start, if the UMC mandarins had to drink from the same dirty cup as everyone else, maybe they would dial back on the pressure.

    That's why I laugh at the feminists outraged over Biden's Title IX trans Exec Order - because for once it's gonna bite UMC's harder than the middle class. Oh, little Brittney didn't get on the girl's lacrosse team because pre-transition "Susie" plays so much better, and now Brittney's scholarship is vaporized? That's a such a shame.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    “every high end Manhattan apartment house had some Section 8 apartments”

    A lot of new developments have to hold 20% of apartments for low-income people. The major difference is that atrocious antisocial behavior isn’t tolerated. Imagine getting the right to rent in a space with a pool you have access to in Manhattan, and paying 1/5th the going rate.

    • Replies: @anon
    @TomSchmidt

    A lot of new developments have to hold 20% of apartments for low-income people.

    Citation / evidence required.

    The major difference is that atrocious antisocial behavior isn’t tolerated.

    https://media.tenor.com/images/7fe1e30df0875bc40822dc534af6237b/tenor.gif

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  10. Yeah, it’s pretty bad, and on top of it all Netflix raised their subscription fee.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen


    Yeah, it’s pretty bad, and on top of it all Netflix raised their subscription fee.
     
    If that doesn't trigger civil war nothing will.
  11. @TomSchmidt

    The Establishment has outmaneuvered the populist right and the disaffected left over the last several years, but it has not ameliorated any of their problems. It has only made them worse. They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration. That isn’t the case, and it will be obvious soon.
     
    The Antifa are interesting. It's clear they're mostly white. The current society and system offers them nothing. They were useful in creating chaos and so not suppressed by local authorities to undermine the issue of law and order. But the system still offers them nothing that would make them give up the struggle. It's not surprising that they continued it.

    Now theEstablishement has made it clear to a larger group of whites that it intends to offer them nothing, indeed intends to take away even more from them. Call them Right Antifa.

    As the oligarchy skims more and more for the top, the numbers of people cut out of any meaningful piece of the overall picture is going to get really large.

    Replies: @Anon, @Expletive Deleted

    Antifa and alt right are two sides of the same coin… Nationalism and socialism. Angry disaffected young white people.

    HMMM

    Young white people of all types are screwed. How convienent that the elite keep them fighting each other instead of focusing on the real “problems”.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  12. @TomSchmidt
    @anon

    "every high end Manhattan apartment house had some Section 8 apartments"

    A lot of new developments have to hold 20% of apartments for low-income people. The major difference is that atrocious antisocial behavior isn't tolerated. Imagine getting the right to rent in a space with a pool you have access to in Manhattan, and paying 1/5th the going rate.

    Replies: @anon

    A lot of new developments have to hold 20% of apartments for low-income people.

    Citation / evidence required.

    The major difference is that atrocious antisocial behavior isn’t tolerated.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @anon

    If you'd like some background:
    https://citylimits.org/2019/11/04/opinion-city-has-gone-from-allowing-poor-doors-to-permitting-poor-buildings/

    You can learn about the 20% in there.

    Why do you assume that atrocious antisocial behavior is racially biased in some way?

    Replies: @anon

  13. Resistance to the neocon dominance of the Republican party because of its ineffectiveness in dealing with the left had been building for a number of years, starting with the Buchanan primary runs and the Ron Paul run in 2008. This resistance made a breakthrough with the Tea Party movement and the Republican gains in Congress in 2010. Trumpism was a synthesis of all these prior attempts. It failed because of his attempts to pander to Wall Street, the military-industrial complex and blacks. His pardoning of rapper Lil Wayne and corrupt former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick instead of Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as his final action in office symbolizes this.

    Now we have former CIA director John Brennan saying in an interview that intelligence agencies need to go after “religious extremists, authoritarians, fascists, bigots, racists, nativists, even libertarians…”. From now on the opposition will be fighting a rearguard action. They will be helped because it is likely the chickens will come home to roost in the Biden administration and there will be a dollar crisis. The Democrats won’t be able to handle this and it will expose their ineptitude.

  14. WTF?

    Is this a joke?

    Biden/Harris don’t back BLM and Antifa? Harris GAVE THEM MONEY TO BAIL THEM OUT OF JAIL SO THEY COULD CONTINUE BURNING AND LOOTING AND KILLING PEOPLE.

    Nadler (and the rest of the DNC scum) claimed that “Antifa is a myth.”

    Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg, the known terrorist that runs BLM.

    Antifa/BLM are directly tied to the DNC/ADL/FBI.

    I could go on and on.

    WTF are you talking about? Everybody KNOWS that BLM/Antifa are foot soldiers for organized jewry and the establishment left.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Robert Dolan


    Antifa/BLM are directly tied to the DNC/ADL/FBI.
     
    and even more directly to the 'Democratic Socialists of America', who have been caught out a few times both high and low in the pyramid of the riot organisers (NB! not getting their hands dirty; that's what the Bum's Army of Antifa are for) with direct links to the local elected officials.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Robert Dolan

    Kamala Harris trying to grab onto the coattails of a movement she had nothing to do with is not the same thing. They refer to her as California's top cop.

  15. Mr. Dolan, you underestimate the STUPIDITY of Marxists.
    The “True Believers” REALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR EQUALITY.
    They REALLY BELIEVE THE RICH WILL BE BROUGHT LOW.

    They must be UTILIZED before they wise up.
    They have to EAT THE RICH, before they are shot.
    The Right is so useless when it plays the game rigged against them.

    A real player has to give up chess, and play DIRTY.
    Make your OWN RULES.
    Make your enemies FIGHT EACH OTHER.

    It’s so easy peasy.
    The Billionaires may subsidize Antifa, but that matters not.
    They are buying the ropes needed to hang them!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Dr. Doom


    Make your enemies FIGHT EACH OTHER.
     
    That's a GREAT idea.  Make a list of contributors to the DNC, ADL, SPLC, AIPAC etc. especially the billionaires and the boards and execs of "woke" corporations.  Doxx them and post their info in Antifa and BLM fora.  Watch the fireworks.
  16. Not only are they still there, they’ve gotten worse. The labor force participation rate is down, student debt is up, wealth inequality is growing, racial tensions are rising, tens of millions of people are on borrowed time as an avalanche of eviction notices is tenuously held back by stopgap federal legislation the congressional paymasters don’t like, commodity prices are rising, record trade deficits continue growing, caravans of migrants from Latin America are heading north, states and municipalities are hopelessly insolven

    More, more, more, more, more. The worser the better.

  17. If Biden decides to reopen the economy and Garland RICOs an antifa here and there – doesn’t that help Biden’s approval ratings. 2022 will be less bad if they do those things.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @krustykurmudgeon

    Will the administration do that, though? It's an open question.

  18. @Achmed E. Newman
    Firstly, A.E., I almost always agree on your take on the financial SHTF to come, as you, of all the article/column writers on this site, seem to understand this the best. (OK, you're tied with Ron Paul, but he has this unrealistic optimism at the bottom of each column.) I am glad to see your occasional posts without the graphs, as I just don't trust the data as much as you do, or seem to.

    Specifically about your take on the antifa Commies and BLM thugs here:

    The labor force participation rate is down, student debt is up, wealth inequality is growing, racial tensions are rising, tens of millions of people are on borrowed time as an avalanche of eviction notices is tenuously held back by stopgap federal legislation the congressional paymasters don’t like, commodity prices are rising, record trade deficits continue growing, caravans of migrants from Latin America are heading north, states and municipalities are hopelessly insolvent without federal government bailouts that will be entirely financed by Federal Reserve money creation -
     
    I really don't see that this is anything that these ctrl-left useful idiots in the streets have any problem with. They WANT destruction of this country, and, no, they don't expect to pay back student loans or move out of their apartments, if this will just hurry up for them.

    I can see why they are pissed at Zhou Bai Dien, as he is acting a little bit too organized and law-abiding. I think they will be happier once the Superspreader takes the reins, or at least they think they will be. She will give them more of what they want or mouth off in that direction.

    Yes, the right has lots less to lose now. They are being shut out of the political system very swiftly.

    BTW, I can't believe Ann Coulter, usually a pretty politically courageous pundit, IMO, decided to go with the flow on this ridiculous new domestic terrorism/insurrection crap. I have directly called her a liar in the post "Et tu, Ann?!". What say you, Charles Pewitt? I expect a round of tweets about this.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I really don’t see that this is anything that these ctrl-left useful idiots in the streets have any problem with. They WANT destruction of this country

    I think you may be making the same mistake the Democrats made in 2016. They assumed that there was no validity at all to the concerns of the Trumpsters and that they were just Nazis and white supremacists who wanted to bring back slavery.

    You’re assuming that there is no validity at all to the concerns that are motivating the “far left” and that they can all be dismissed as dirty stinkin’ commies who hate America. Most of the antifa and BLM crowd are stupid (and they were being ruthlessly used by the bankers and billionaires but the anger driving them is just as real as the anger driving the MAGA crowd.

    The problem is that both the antifa and MAGA crowds were not smart enough to figure out that they were being used. They were being played. Maybe both groups are starting to figure that out now.

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t support the antifa lot but the economic and social injustices that have motivated both the antifa and MAGA crowds are real. Both those groups were justified in being angry, but both sides lacked the political sophistication to direct their anger at those who were actually screwing them.

    There’s a difference between hating your country and hating what is being done to your country by the elites. There’s a difference between hating your country and hating the current regime.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @dfordoom

    I think it's a mistake to talk about MAGA and antifa as right and left manifestations of people who are just economically and socially disaffected and don't like the current regime. MAGA people hate the regime but not the country, but antifa's antipathy to society goes much, much deeper. They are raging against not just the regime, but the state, the civilization it represents, and even cross-cultural norms and human nature. Likewise, MAGA demands can be met with policy choices and are basically political disagreements, but BLM demands require fundamentally changing society and are basically racial animus.

    That said, I think the right is in a position now where it needs to start considering defense of antifa. I know this sounds crazy, but their riots can and should be dealt with under existing laws and with existing resources. The right should oppose the creation of new laws, agencies, or norms designed to deal with antifa.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  19. @iffen
    Yeah, it's pretty bad, and on top of it all Netflix raised their subscription fee.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Yeah, it’s pretty bad, and on top of it all Netflix raised their subscription fee.

    If that doesn’t trigger civil war nothing will.

  20. Dem mayors will lower the boom on a few of these Antifa types, and the rest will decide to save their antics for NATO and G-7 (or whatever it is) meetings. They’ll have to be gentler with BLM, but they can likely be bought off without too much trouble. It’s economic decline that will cause Harris (Biden will probably be gone before things really begin to bite) serious problems.

    • Replies: @MattinLA
    @MBlanc46

    Yes. Their paymasters will order them to lay low. Only if there is economic collapse will we hear further from these goons.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @MBlanc46

    Next G7's in Cornwall, next to St Ives, and they'll all be there in June, presumably without their seven wives, sacks, cats etc.
    Carbis Bay Estate, big (for there) private beach, completely immured from the plebs by the railway line on the easily patrolled clifftop above, apart from a couple of bridges. Right down in the toe of the peninsula, with its own railway station (plebs this way, overlords please graciously accept this car ride on the other side of the track).

    Apart from holding it in Scilly, or St Helena, it couldn't be more inaccessible or defensible. Yet still has rapid links by chopper, rail, road and even private jet from e.g. RAF Portreath to international transit hubs, in case something goes awry, with serious military backup.
    And is about as far south as you can go in England, pleasant maritime climate, not some stormlashed Scottish island hell.
    G7 lair for 2021
    Why are they acting as though they were afraid of us?

    , @JimDandy
    @MBlanc46

    Yeah, Oregon and Washington are there own thing. There won't be 2020-style massive BLM-Antifa violence in America's big cities in '21.

  21. @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I really don’t see that this is anything that these ctrl-left useful idiots in the streets have any problem with. They WANT destruction of this country
     
    I think you may be making the same mistake the Democrats made in 2016. They assumed that there was no validity at all to the concerns of the Trumpsters and that they were just Nazis and white supremacists who wanted to bring back slavery.

    You're assuming that there is no validity at all to the concerns that are motivating the "far left" and that they can all be dismissed as dirty stinkin' commies who hate America. Most of the antifa and BLM crowd are stupid (and they were being ruthlessly used by the bankers and billionaires but the anger driving them is just as real as the anger driving the MAGA crowd.

    The problem is that both the antifa and MAGA crowds were not smart enough to figure out that they were being used. They were being played. Maybe both groups are starting to figure that out now.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't support the antifa lot but the economic and social injustices that have motivated both the antifa and MAGA crowds are real. Both those groups were justified in being angry, but both sides lacked the political sophistication to direct their anger at those who were actually screwing them.

    There's a difference between hating your country and hating what is being done to your country by the elites. There's a difference between hating your country and hating the current regime.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I think it’s a mistake to talk about MAGA and antifa as right and left manifestations of people who are just economically and socially disaffected and don’t like the current regime. MAGA people hate the regime but not the country, but antifa’s antipathy to society goes much, much deeper. They are raging against not just the regime, but the state, the civilization it represents, and even cross-cultural norms and human nature. Likewise, MAGA demands can be met with policy choices and are basically political disagreements, but BLM demands require fundamentally changing society and are basically racial animus.

    That said, I think the right is in a position now where it needs to start considering defense of antifa. I know this sounds crazy, but their riots can and should be dealt with under existing laws and with existing resources. The right should oppose the creation of new laws, agencies, or norms designed to deal with antifa.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Chrisnonymous


    That said, I think the right is in a position now where it needs to start considering defense of antifa. I know this sounds crazy, but their riots can and should be dealt with under existing laws and with existing resources. The right should oppose the creation of new laws, agencies, or norms designed to deal with antifa.
     
    I think that's a good point. As I said in another comment it's sometimes worth thinking about tactical alliances with lesser enemies (even hated lesser enemies) against the greater enemy.

    At the moment the neoliberal establishment is the greater enemy. They intend to crush all dissent, including dissent from the Left. And any dissent-crushing measures used against antifa and BLM will be used against dissenters from the Right.

    At this stage anyone who dissents from neoliberalism has to be considered a potential tactical ally.

    Just as feminists who dissent from the current attempts to impose the trans agenda have to be considered as potential tactical allies.
  22. @MBlanc46
    Dem mayors will lower the boom on a few of these Antifa types, and the rest will decide to save their antics for NATO and G-7 (or whatever it is) meetings. They’ll have to be gentler with BLM, but they can likely be bought off without too much trouble. It’s economic decline that will cause Harris (Biden will probably be gone before things really begin to bite) serious problems.

    Replies: @MattinLA, @Expletive Deleted, @JimDandy

    Yes. Their paymasters will order them to lay low. Only if there is economic collapse will we hear further from these goons.

  23. @J1234

    They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration.
     
    This is the essence of the problem. Simplistic perceptions of reality prevail within most manifestations of radicalism, whether from the left or the right. One of the many mythologies that radicalism buys into is the belief that zombie-mind-control qualities are inherent in all oppositional leadership. Radicals believe that once the source of the hypno-ray beams is gone, the brain implants can be removed. Mass mind control has considerable basis in reality, but it's far more complicated than those who exist in a perpetual emotional state (i.e., radicals, who are themselves more susceptible to mind control than most) can understand.

    This brings up many thoughts about our current situation for me, but the one that's hovering closest at the moment is my perception that - in the spirit of blind equality and inclusiveness - an unstated (and possibly subconscious) goal of the far left is to give a legitimate voice to stupidity. Because people with IQ's of under 90 need to have their ideas represented in government, too.

    Replies: @goldgettin, @Luus Kanin

    Great comment.You are on it,though we know it goes deeper.
    We need to delve further into reason, or the
    reasons for this reality. It could be a survival mechanism
    that is on par with freedom,and even necessary for the
    betterment of the planet.It’s a brake on the expertise of our
    experts, maybe a good thing?
    Right thinking is a very,very slow process.Mis takes happen
    and the “stakes” are so very,very hi how ya do’ing…

  24. @Chrisnonymous
    @dfordoom

    I think it's a mistake to talk about MAGA and antifa as right and left manifestations of people who are just economically and socially disaffected and don't like the current regime. MAGA people hate the regime but not the country, but antifa's antipathy to society goes much, much deeper. They are raging against not just the regime, but the state, the civilization it represents, and even cross-cultural norms and human nature. Likewise, MAGA demands can be met with policy choices and are basically political disagreements, but BLM demands require fundamentally changing society and are basically racial animus.

    That said, I think the right is in a position now where it needs to start considering defense of antifa. I know this sounds crazy, but their riots can and should be dealt with under existing laws and with existing resources. The right should oppose the creation of new laws, agencies, or norms designed to deal with antifa.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    That said, I think the right is in a position now where it needs to start considering defense of antifa. I know this sounds crazy, but their riots can and should be dealt with under existing laws and with existing resources. The right should oppose the creation of new laws, agencies, or norms designed to deal with antifa.

    I think that’s a good point. As I said in another comment it’s sometimes worth thinking about tactical alliances with lesser enemies (even hated lesser enemies) against the greater enemy.

    At the moment the neoliberal establishment is the greater enemy. They intend to crush all dissent, including dissent from the Left. And any dissent-crushing measures used against antifa and BLM will be used against dissenters from the Right.

    At this stage anyone who dissents from neoliberalism has to be considered a potential tactical ally.

    Just as feminists who dissent from the current attempts to impose the trans agenda have to be considered as potential tactical allies.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  25. Surely “antifa” are just nihilists who believe in nothing, but just want to destroy. In fact, they are less than nihilists. The sort of people who are “antifa” are the sort of people who would attend a concert by GG Allin (look him up on youtube). Only young whites will behave this way. One doesn’t see quite the same thing with other races. No accommodation with these nutters is possible. What drives them is something psychological, perhaps their realisation that they are not the cleverest or the prettiest or the most accomplished makes them angry and destructive to all that is good and beautiful.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @martin_2

    Seems like a guy trying to out-shock Johnny Rotten. Teens love being shocked, thus horror movies. Wasn’t one of those Wu-Tang characters supposed to be the horror guy. They certainly had a pervert character.

    , @dfordoom
    @martin_2


    Surely “antifa” are just nihilists who believe in nothing, but just want to destroy. In fact, they are less than nihilists. The sort of people who are “antifa” are the sort of people who would attend a concert by GG Allin (look him up on youtube). Only young whites will behave this way.
     
    Maybe it's just that young people really are dumb. They believe in foolish unrealistic nonsense because they're young. Too many hormones and too little life experience. Young people have always been prone to believe that they're the only ones that know how to save the world, and they've always been prone to hysterical beliefs that the world needs saving. Young people are driven by pure emotion.

    The worst possible thing you can do for young people is allow them access to social media because social media will exacerbate all the inherent weaknesses of youth - the desperate need to be accepted by a peer group, the desperate need to be virtuous and the hysterical response to anyone who questions their emotionally driven silliness.

    So maybe social media is the worst thing that has ever happened to society.

    Replies: @anon, @martin_2

  26. Agree that 90% of the population have no idea what’s coming. A significant share of the population – though for different reasons – do not view our government and institutions as legitimate, the release of tons of prisoners because of Covid plus new weak on crime municipal governments means criminal activity of all kinds will increase along with homicides as people have more freedom of movement, and a lot of the jobs wiped out by the lockdowns will be very slow to return to the extent that do at all.

    The right needs to be smart about this – there are a lot of working/middle class people that were clearly receptive to the populist politics of Trump, and many of them who voted for Biden are going to find themselves very disenchanted in the years to come, so there is a huge political opportunity. Target cutting ‘woke’ programming, support spending that helps families, promise to reverse Biden policies that kill blue collar jobs, and don’t get in the way of the donkeys attempts to raise tax rates on corporations, capital gains, and high income households.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Arclight


    The right needs to be smart about this
     
    The only people on the Right who have ever been smart are the Economic Right. They now control the world. Unfortunately they're both smart and evil.

    The social/cultural Right has never shown any signs of being smart about anything.
  27. @anon
    @TomSchmidt

    A lot of new developments have to hold 20% of apartments for low-income people.

    Citation / evidence required.

    The major difference is that atrocious antisocial behavior isn’t tolerated.

    https://media.tenor.com/images/7fe1e30df0875bc40822dc534af6237b/tenor.gif

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    If you’d like some background:
    https://citylimits.org/2019/11/04/opinion-city-has-gone-from-allowing-poor-doors-to-permitting-poor-buildings/

    You can learn about the 20% in there.

    Why do you assume that atrocious antisocial behavior is racially biased in some way?

    • Replies: @anon
    @TomSchmidt

    If you’d like some background:
    https://citylimits.org/2019/11/04/opinion-city-has-gone-from-allowing-poor-doors-to-permitting-poor-buildings/


    Thanks for providing support for my point. Most helpful!

    Why do you assume that atrocious antisocial behavior is racially biased in some way?

    Why do you assume it is not?

    Also, when will you provide us all with a defense of looting using The Ancients? Been really looking forward to that for months.

  28. @Dr. Doom
    Mr. Dolan, you underestimate the STUPIDITY of Marxists.
    The "True Believers" REALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR EQUALITY.
    They REALLY BELIEVE THE RICH WILL BE BROUGHT LOW.

    They must be UTILIZED before they wise up.
    They have to EAT THE RICH, before they are shot.
    The Right is so useless when it plays the game rigged against them.

    A real player has to give up chess, and play DIRTY.
    Make your OWN RULES.
    Make your enemies FIGHT EACH OTHER.

    It's so easy peasy.
    The Billionaires may subsidize Antifa, but that matters not.
    They are buying the ropes needed to hang them!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Make your enemies FIGHT EACH OTHER.

    That’s a GREAT idea.  Make a list of contributors to the DNC, ADL, SPLC, AIPAC etc. especially the billionaires and the boards and execs of “woke” corporations.  Doxx them and post their info in Antifa and BLM fora.  Watch the fireworks.

  29. Didn’t get a chance to read all the comments.

    Did someone point out that BLM is the Establishment? Just as White People Bad training is the Establishment.

    Those ‘conspiracists’ in the ‘80s talking about Hegelianism as an Establishment tactic may well have been right.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Curle


    Did someone point out that BLM is the Establishment?
     
    Nope. BLM has been used by the Establishment. Being used as a tool by the Establishment is very different from being part of the Establishment. It's the same with antifa.

    Now that their usefulness is over the Establishment is going to throw them under the bus.

    BLM and antifa will be increasingly viewed by the Establishment the same way they view the dissident right and the MAGA brigade - as dissenters to be crushed.
  30. @martin_2
    Surely "antifa" are just nihilists who believe in nothing, but just want to destroy. In fact, they are less than nihilists. The sort of people who are "antifa" are the sort of people who would attend a concert by GG Allin (look him up on youtube). Only young whites will behave this way. One doesn't see quite the same thing with other races. No accommodation with these nutters is possible. What drives them is something psychological, perhaps their realisation that they are not the cleverest or the prettiest or the most accomplished makes them angry and destructive to all that is good and beautiful.

    Replies: @Curle, @dfordoom

    Seems like a guy trying to out-shock Johnny Rotten. Teens love being shocked, thus horror movies. Wasn’t one of those Wu-Tang characters supposed to be the horror guy. They certainly had a pervert character.

  31. … commodity prices are rising…

    A little, but not as much as you think or imply, AE. Clearly, you are not in this game. Nice try, though.

  32. @martin_2
    Surely "antifa" are just nihilists who believe in nothing, but just want to destroy. In fact, they are less than nihilists. The sort of people who are "antifa" are the sort of people who would attend a concert by GG Allin (look him up on youtube). Only young whites will behave this way. One doesn't see quite the same thing with other races. No accommodation with these nutters is possible. What drives them is something psychological, perhaps their realisation that they are not the cleverest or the prettiest or the most accomplished makes them angry and destructive to all that is good and beautiful.

    Replies: @Curle, @dfordoom

    Surely “antifa” are just nihilists who believe in nothing, but just want to destroy. In fact, they are less than nihilists. The sort of people who are “antifa” are the sort of people who would attend a concert by GG Allin (look him up on youtube). Only young whites will behave this way.

    Maybe it’s just that young people really are dumb. They believe in foolish unrealistic nonsense because they’re young. Too many hormones and too little life experience. Young people have always been prone to believe that they’re the only ones that know how to save the world, and they’ve always been prone to hysterical beliefs that the world needs saving. Young people are driven by pure emotion.

    The worst possible thing you can do for young people is allow them access to social media because social media will exacerbate all the inherent weaknesses of youth – the desperate need to be accepted by a peer group, the desperate need to be virtuous and the hysterical response to anyone who questions their emotionally driven silliness.

    So maybe social media is the worst thing that has ever happened to society.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dfordoom

    Maybe it’s just that young people really are dumb.

    Antifa street captains are generally over 30. Some are over 40.

    Antifa Michael Forest Reinoehl was 48 when he committed an assassination in Portland last year.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @martin_2
    @dfordoom

    "Antifa" does strike me as something that is exclusively for young whites. Maybe its like environmentalism or animal welfare or open air rock festivals, just another way for young white people to escape diversity.

    Replies: @anon, @dfordoom

  33. @TomSchmidt

    The Establishment has outmaneuvered the populist right and the disaffected left over the last several years, but it has not ameliorated any of their problems. It has only made them worse. They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration. That isn’t the case, and it will be obvious soon.
     
    The Antifa are interesting. It's clear they're mostly white. The current society and system offers them nothing. They were useful in creating chaos and so not suppressed by local authorities to undermine the issue of law and order. But the system still offers them nothing that would make them give up the struggle. It's not surprising that they continued it.

    Now theEstablishement has made it clear to a larger group of whites that it intends to offer them nothing, indeed intends to take away even more from them. Call them Right Antifa.

    As the oligarchy skims more and more for the top, the numbers of people cut out of any meaningful piece of the overall picture is going to get really large.

    Replies: @Anon, @Expletive Deleted

    The Antifa are interesting. It’s clear they’re mostly white. The current society and system offers them nothing. They were useful in creating chaos and so not suppressed by local authorities to undermine the issue of law and order. But the system still offers them nothing that would make them give up the struggle.

    I can’t think of any functional or even coherent system or society that could offer the Tweaker Legions of Antifa any place that wasn’t simply a continuation of their self-determined role of unskilled, unemployable, frequently diseased and/or mentally defective parasites and street thugs, seemingly paid off in hard drugs as well as cash from .. somewhere.

    Maybe Beijing Biden will form an anti-nationalist Cheka division out of them, give them all leather coats, black cars and a licence to kill at their own pleasure (which they already presume to have).

    And those local authorities are plainly compromised by “external actors”, having no regard for the mere law-abiding tax-cattle of their fiefdoms, or even the United States itself.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Expletive Deleted

    Unskilled? The original post is gone, but there's an excerpt here:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/09/analysis-of-assassination.html

    "It was a planned, premeditated sectarian assassination carried out by a death squad of six active participants."

    If they were actually mentally defective, I wouldn't worry. Stupid thugs do stupid things and get shot and captured easily. These guys are quite a bit smarter, and better organized. Disparage them as you have at your peril.

    People with the intelligence and organization to do what AntiFA does could contribute to a society that didn't decide to bestow all the meaning and meaningful work on the "meritocrats."

  34. @Arclight
    Agree that 90% of the population have no idea what's coming. A significant share of the population - though for different reasons - do not view our government and institutions as legitimate, the release of tons of prisoners because of Covid plus new weak on crime municipal governments means criminal activity of all kinds will increase along with homicides as people have more freedom of movement, and a lot of the jobs wiped out by the lockdowns will be very slow to return to the extent that do at all.

    The right needs to be smart about this - there are a lot of working/middle class people that were clearly receptive to the populist politics of Trump, and many of them who voted for Biden are going to find themselves very disenchanted in the years to come, so there is a huge political opportunity. Target cutting 'woke' programming, support spending that helps families, promise to reverse Biden policies that kill blue collar jobs, and don't get in the way of the donkeys attempts to raise tax rates on corporations, capital gains, and high income households.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The right needs to be smart about this

    The only people on the Right who have ever been smart are the Economic Right. They now control the world. Unfortunately they’re both smart and evil.

    The social/cultural Right has never shown any signs of being smart about anything.

  35. @Robert Dolan
    WTF?

    Is this a joke?

    Biden/Harris don't back BLM and Antifa? Harris GAVE THEM MONEY TO BAIL THEM OUT OF JAIL SO THEY COULD CONTINUE BURNING AND LOOTING AND KILLING PEOPLE.

    Nadler (and the rest of the DNC scum) claimed that "Antifa is a myth."

    Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg, the known terrorist that runs BLM.

    Antifa/BLM are directly tied to the DNC/ADL/FBI.

    I could go on and on.

    WTF are you talking about? Everybody KNOWS that BLM/Antifa are foot soldiers for organized jewry and the establishment left.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Audacious Epigone

    Antifa/BLM are directly tied to the DNC/ADL/FBI.

    and even more directly to the ‘Democratic Socialists of America’, who have been caught out a few times both high and low in the pyramid of the riot organisers (NB! not getting their hands dirty; that’s what the Bum’s Army of Antifa are for) with direct links to the local elected officials.

  36. @Curle
    Didn’t get a chance to read all the comments.

    Did someone point out that BLM is the Establishment? Just as White People Bad training is the Establishment.

    Those ‘conspiracists’ in the ‘80s talking about Hegelianism as an Establishment tactic may well have been right.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Did someone point out that BLM is the Establishment?

    Nope. BLM has been used by the Establishment. Being used as a tool by the Establishment is very different from being part of the Establishment. It’s the same with antifa.

    Now that their usefulness is over the Establishment is going to throw them under the bus.

    BLM and antifa will be increasingly viewed by the Establishment the same way they view the dissident right and the MAGA brigade – as dissenters to be crushed.

  37. @MBlanc46
    Dem mayors will lower the boom on a few of these Antifa types, and the rest will decide to save their antics for NATO and G-7 (or whatever it is) meetings. They’ll have to be gentler with BLM, but they can likely be bought off without too much trouble. It’s economic decline that will cause Harris (Biden will probably be gone before things really begin to bite) serious problems.

    Replies: @MattinLA, @Expletive Deleted, @JimDandy

    Next G7’s in Cornwall, next to St Ives, and they’ll all be there in June, presumably without their seven wives, sacks, cats etc.
    Carbis Bay Estate, big (for there) private beach, completely immured from the plebs by the railway line on the easily patrolled clifftop above, apart from a couple of bridges. Right down in the toe of the peninsula, with its own railway station (plebs this way, overlords please graciously accept this car ride on the other side of the track).

    Apart from holding it in Scilly, or St Helena, it couldn’t be more inaccessible or defensible. Yet still has rapid links by chopper, rail, road and even private jet from e.g. RAF Portreath to international transit hubs, in case something goes awry, with serious military backup.
    And is about as far south as you can go in England, pleasant maritime climate, not some stormlashed Scottish island hell.
    G7 lair for 2021
    Why are they acting as though they were afraid of us?

  38. @dfordoom
    @martin_2


    Surely “antifa” are just nihilists who believe in nothing, but just want to destroy. In fact, they are less than nihilists. The sort of people who are “antifa” are the sort of people who would attend a concert by GG Allin (look him up on youtube). Only young whites will behave this way.
     
    Maybe it's just that young people really are dumb. They believe in foolish unrealistic nonsense because they're young. Too many hormones and too little life experience. Young people have always been prone to believe that they're the only ones that know how to save the world, and they've always been prone to hysterical beliefs that the world needs saving. Young people are driven by pure emotion.

    The worst possible thing you can do for young people is allow them access to social media because social media will exacerbate all the inherent weaknesses of youth - the desperate need to be accepted by a peer group, the desperate need to be virtuous and the hysterical response to anyone who questions their emotionally driven silliness.

    So maybe social media is the worst thing that has ever happened to society.

    Replies: @anon, @martin_2

    Maybe it’s just that young people really are dumb.

    Antifa street captains are generally over 30. Some are over 40.

    Antifa Michael Forest Reinoehl was 48 when he committed an assassination in Portland last year.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    Antifa street captains are generally over 30. Some are over 40.
     
    But what's the average age of the foot soldiers?

    The older antifa leaders probably have other options already lined up for when the crackdown on antifa comes. The younger followers will be left to swing in the breeze and they're too dumb to figure that out.
  39. @dfordoom
    @martin_2


    Surely “antifa” are just nihilists who believe in nothing, but just want to destroy. In fact, they are less than nihilists. The sort of people who are “antifa” are the sort of people who would attend a concert by GG Allin (look him up on youtube). Only young whites will behave this way.
     
    Maybe it's just that young people really are dumb. They believe in foolish unrealistic nonsense because they're young. Too many hormones and too little life experience. Young people have always been prone to believe that they're the only ones that know how to save the world, and they've always been prone to hysterical beliefs that the world needs saving. Young people are driven by pure emotion.

    The worst possible thing you can do for young people is allow them access to social media because social media will exacerbate all the inherent weaknesses of youth - the desperate need to be accepted by a peer group, the desperate need to be virtuous and the hysterical response to anyone who questions their emotionally driven silliness.

    So maybe social media is the worst thing that has ever happened to society.

    Replies: @anon, @martin_2

    “Antifa” does strike me as something that is exclusively for young whites. Maybe its like environmentalism or animal welfare or open air rock festivals, just another way for young white people to escape diversity.

    • Replies: @anon
    @martin_2

    “Antifa” does strike me as something that is exclusively for young whites.

    What age do you consider to be "young"? Is a 48 year old man "young" ?

    , @dfordoom
    @martin_2


    “Antifa” does strike me as something that is exclusively for young whites. Maybe its like environmentalism or animal welfare or open air rock festivals, just another way for young white people to escape diversity.
     
    Or just another way to conform to the prevailing zeitgeist. Just another way to get lots of followers and lots of likes on social media. It has certainly been seen as a low-cost way to virtue-signal. Whites do love to virtue-signal.

    And if you have nothing else in your life it gives you a sense of belonging. There are a lot of young white people who don't have any sense of belonging.

    I think the alt-right also gave a lot of lost souls a sense of belonging. Maybe that's true of the MAGA cult as well.

    Maybe young white people are particularly lacking in any sense of belonging or any sense of purpose.
  40. @MBlanc46
    Dem mayors will lower the boom on a few of these Antifa types, and the rest will decide to save their antics for NATO and G-7 (or whatever it is) meetings. They’ll have to be gentler with BLM, but they can likely be bought off without too much trouble. It’s economic decline that will cause Harris (Biden will probably be gone before things really begin to bite) serious problems.

    Replies: @MattinLA, @Expletive Deleted, @JimDandy

    Yeah, Oregon and Washington are there own thing. There won’t be 2020-style massive BLM-Antifa violence in America’s big cities in ’21.

  41. @martin_2
    @dfordoom

    "Antifa" does strike me as something that is exclusively for young whites. Maybe its like environmentalism or animal welfare or open air rock festivals, just another way for young white people to escape diversity.

    Replies: @anon, @dfordoom

    “Antifa” does strike me as something that is exclusively for young whites.

    What age do you consider to be “young”? Is a 48 year old man “young” ?

  42. @anon
    @dfordoom

    Maybe it’s just that young people really are dumb.

    Antifa street captains are generally over 30. Some are over 40.

    Antifa Michael Forest Reinoehl was 48 when he committed an assassination in Portland last year.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Antifa street captains are generally over 30. Some are over 40.

    But what’s the average age of the foot soldiers?

    The older antifa leaders probably have other options already lined up for when the crackdown on antifa comes. The younger followers will be left to swing in the breeze and they’re too dumb to figure that out.

  43. @martin_2
    @dfordoom

    "Antifa" does strike me as something that is exclusively for young whites. Maybe its like environmentalism or animal welfare or open air rock festivals, just another way for young white people to escape diversity.

    Replies: @anon, @dfordoom

    “Antifa” does strike me as something that is exclusively for young whites. Maybe its like environmentalism or animal welfare or open air rock festivals, just another way for young white people to escape diversity.

    Or just another way to conform to the prevailing zeitgeist. Just another way to get lots of followers and lots of likes on social media. It has certainly been seen as a low-cost way to virtue-signal. Whites do love to virtue-signal.

    And if you have nothing else in your life it gives you a sense of belonging. There are a lot of young white people who don’t have any sense of belonging.

    I think the alt-right also gave a lot of lost souls a sense of belonging. Maybe that’s true of the MAGA cult as well.

    Maybe young white people are particularly lacking in any sense of belonging or any sense of purpose.

  44. @Expletive Deleted
    @TomSchmidt


    The Antifa are interesting. It’s clear they’re mostly white. The current society and system offers them nothing. They were useful in creating chaos and so not suppressed by local authorities to undermine the issue of law and order. But the system still offers them nothing that would make them give up the struggle.
     
    I can't think of any functional or even coherent system or society that could offer the Tweaker Legions of Antifa any place that wasn't simply a continuation of their self-determined role of unskilled, unemployable, frequently diseased and/or mentally defective parasites and street thugs, seemingly paid off in hard drugs as well as cash from .. somewhere.

    Maybe Beijing Biden will form an anti-nationalist Cheka division out of them, give them all leather coats, black cars and a licence to kill at their own pleasure (which they already presume to have).

    And those local authorities are plainly compromised by "external actors", having no regard for the mere law-abiding tax-cattle of their fiefdoms, or even the United States itself.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Unskilled? The original post is gone, but there’s an excerpt here:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/09/analysis-of-assassination.html

    “It was a planned, premeditated sectarian assassination carried out by a death squad of six active participants.”

    If they were actually mentally defective, I wouldn’t worry. Stupid thugs do stupid things and get shot and captured easily. These guys are quite a bit smarter, and better organized. Disparage them as you have at your peril.

    People with the intelligence and organization to do what AntiFA does could contribute to a society that didn’t decide to bestow all the meaning and meaningful work on the “meritocrats.”

  45. I had a good old hunt about on the recorded livestreams at the time, and saw what Mr Neck-Tattoo and his hit squad did, and his previous harassment of a noisy yet genial truck-parade. Gangstalking a pair of guys at night, with the ubiquitous skateboarders (the Kenosha Kid is the only man I’ve ever seen take these wheely bastards seriously and give them ‘what they fucking deserve’. They even hunt harmless Portland Andy).
    Even his hapless daughter was in cahoots. Jumping out from behind a pillar and blasting some almost random “enemy” when tipped the wink is not hi-IQ. Even with the usual fake “medics” converging to deliver the coup-de-grace/remove evidence.

    tl;dr they’re incorrigible druggy fuckwits. They only live due to massive ‘official’ indulgence and corruption. Funded by “Persons Unknown”.

  46. @unit472
    Yeah, I think covid has damaged our economy far more than is apparent. Assuming the vaccines do get us through the pandemic in a few months we might find there isn't a lot left to reopen. Those not in the top 10 or 20 percent of income earners are not going to have the money to go back to restaurants or take cruises even if they can safely do so.

    The spending spree in DC may not be possible if it causes bond vigilantes to reappear and push interest rates higher. Our balance of payments is going to deteriorate a lot because of Biden's war on the US oil industry. Production was already declining because of low prices and as US production declines the oil price will go up. $3 dollar a gallon gasoline may be just around the corner. People are going to notice that. Any rapid rise in the minimum wage is going to accelerate the push to automate low skill work just when people are going to need those jobs again.

    Then there is the enormous overhang of unpaid rent and mortgages. Its not going to disappear even if the covid virus does. We've built a potemkin economy resting on a foundation of unpayable debt. It won't take much to bring it all down.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

    To some extent, the bond vigilantes have been sidelined by the Fed. The Fed is now just monetizing gov’t debt by increases in their balance sheet. They can keep this up without bond yields going up for quite some time till the rest of the world decides that the dollar is toilet paper and there’s a mass exit from the dollar in trade.

    The reserve currency status is the only thing keeping the dollar afloat and even that has been steadily deteriorating for quite some time. There’s a tipping point somewhere. I don’t know where it is and neither does anyone else. We’ll find out where it was after the fact and by that time no law, no Fed maneuvers, no IMF or World Bank intervention will save the dollar. The only out they might have is a digital dollar that forces all USians into continuing to use it. If they manage to introduce it before a dollar collapse, they can buy some time, but the rest of the worlds investors will dump the dollar as too risky. Prices in the US could rise dramatically as asset prices fall like a rock. That then becomes the new crisis and a wash, rinse repeat cycle starts again, but of a much shorter duration. All these machinations are ultimately pissing into the wind.

    • Agree: Cato, Audacious Epigone
  47. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt
    @anon

    If you'd like some background:
    https://citylimits.org/2019/11/04/opinion-city-has-gone-from-allowing-poor-doors-to-permitting-poor-buildings/

    You can learn about the 20% in there.

    Why do you assume that atrocious antisocial behavior is racially biased in some way?

    Replies: @anon

    If you’d like some background:
    https://citylimits.org/2019/11/04/opinion-city-has-gone-from-allowing-poor-doors-to-permitting-poor-buildings/

    Thanks for providing support for my point. Most helpful!

    Why do you assume that atrocious antisocial behavior is racially biased in some way?

    Why do you assume it is not?

    Also, when will you provide us all with a defense of looting using The Ancients? Been really looking forward to that for months.

    • LOL: TomSchmidt
  48. @J1234

    They think taking away Donald Trump will settle things, as though he is the cause rather than the symptom of the anger and frustration.
     
    This is the essence of the problem. Simplistic perceptions of reality prevail within most manifestations of radicalism, whether from the left or the right. One of the many mythologies that radicalism buys into is the belief that zombie-mind-control qualities are inherent in all oppositional leadership. Radicals believe that once the source of the hypno-ray beams is gone, the brain implants can be removed. Mass mind control has considerable basis in reality, but it's far more complicated than those who exist in a perpetual emotional state (i.e., radicals, who are themselves more susceptible to mind control than most) can understand.

    This brings up many thoughts about our current situation for me, but the one that's hovering closest at the moment is my perception that - in the spirit of blind equality and inclusiveness - an unstated (and possibly subconscious) goal of the far left is to give a legitimate voice to stupidity. Because people with IQ's of under 90 need to have their ideas represented in government, too.

    Replies: @goldgettin, @Luus Kanin

    Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I disagree with your supposition that the left’s goal is to give voice to stupidity. I believe it is more sinister than that. While the person giving a peanut to the elephant may argue it is an act of benevolence, others may notice the nicely tended garden the elephant traipsed through to get to the peanut.

  49. @Robert Dolan
    WTF?

    Is this a joke?

    Biden/Harris don't back BLM and Antifa? Harris GAVE THEM MONEY TO BAIL THEM OUT OF JAIL SO THEY COULD CONTINUE BURNING AND LOOTING AND KILLING PEOPLE.

    Nadler (and the rest of the DNC scum) claimed that "Antifa is a myth."

    Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg, the known terrorist that runs BLM.

    Antifa/BLM are directly tied to the DNC/ADL/FBI.

    I could go on and on.

    WTF are you talking about? Everybody KNOWS that BLM/Antifa are foot soldiers for organized jewry and the establishment left.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Audacious Epigone

    Kamala Harris trying to grab onto the coattails of a movement she had nothing to do with is not the same thing. They refer to her as California’s top cop.

  50. @krustykurmudgeon
    If Biden decides to reopen the economy and Garland RICOs an antifa here and there - doesn't that help Biden's approval ratings. 2022 will be less bad if they do those things.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Will the administration do that, though? It’s an open question.

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