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The city of Ferguson, Mo., is now burned into our consciousness in a way that few other places are. In my youth, the race riots in Newark, Detroit and Los Angeles marked turning points in my own and in the public’s awareness of the problems of a black underclass that perceives itself as being so unfairly governed by a white power structure that it resorted to violence.

Those disturbances also revealed the difficulties of hardworking black families trying to make decent lives for themselves by endeavoring to leave the inner cities and, as basketball player-turned-philosopher Charles Barkley stated, the opportunities of inner city “scumbags” willing to steal and pillage and incite for some temporary material or political gain.

We saw this again in Los Angeles during the Rodney King affair, in which a jury in a state prosecution acquitted two white cops of savagely beating an unarmed black man, and the mobs rioted. Thereafter, the same cops were charged with federal crimes based on the same facts and were convicted by a federal court.

As bad as it was for those cops to have beaten King, it was worse for the government to violate the prohibition on double jeopardy by using the legal fiction of federal jurisdiction and federal prosecution as being so distinct from what the State of California had tried and failed to do that the second trial did not constitute a constitutionally prohibited repeated attempt to convict. It did.

Fast-forward to Ferguson, and we see the toxic mixture of a black underclass and a white power structure and the corrupt advantages that people on the make and people on the take can exploit from it.

In Ferguson, the law enforcement case is far more straightforward than the racial complexities. A white cop put 10 bullets into the body of an unarmed black youth with whom he was wrestling for control of his gun. The cop succeeded in wresting the gun from the youth and then proceeded to kill him. Once the cop had control of the gun and the youth had been immobilized, all additional gun firing is criminal. That the youth was the aggressor does not diminish the cop’s obvious criminal overuse of deadly force.

The grand jury — whose job is merely to certify that the state has enough evidence to justify the charges it seeks to present against a given defendant — was subjected to the type of evidence that only trial juries hear, including a soliloquy from the cop himself and all the exculpatory evidence the prosecutor could find.

Prosecutors often loathe and sometimes even hide exculpatory evidence, but this county prosecutor must have been afraid to seek an indictment, and so he shrewdly manipulated this grand jury out of its role of determining whether the state had probable cause to try the cop and into the role of a trial jury, which is to judge whether the state has proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

ORDER IT NOW

If the feds now come along and indict the cop on federal charges, they would be correcting the error and perversion of the grand jury. This would not be double jeopardy as in the King case, because the cop in Ferguson has never been charged on the basis of the facts in this case.

Would we even know of this case if both the cop and the youth had been of the same race? Probably not.

The long and unhappy history of race relations in America now has another fiery chapter with more tragedy. The tragedy is the result of the governmental use of race as a basis for decision-making. When cops are hired because they are white, when police suspect criminal behavior on the part of youth because the youth is black and then act on those suspicions, when a predominantly black populace feels — however accurately or inaccurately — that it is being treated unfairly by the government and the government fails to address this perception, when hucksters and scumbags who are drawn to these conflagrations use racial vulnerability to rob and pillage and arouse and destroy, and when the sides are arrayed along racial lines, the government has failed to protect the liberty and property of the people it was hired to protect.

The failure in Ferguson is across the board. From a city government whose police force makes its minority populace feel vulnerable and defends an unnecessary public killing by one of its cops, to a county prosecutor afraid to take responsibility for a proper public prosecution, to a governor missing in action, to a president who sounds like he wants to federalize police, we have an out-of-control stewpot boiling over into a wave of destruction.

The police need to be strong enough to protect life, liberty and property, and vulnerable enough to tolerate all political opinions, even those filled with ignorance and hate. The militarization of local police — perfected during the past two presidential administrations, which have given local cops military surplus intended to be used on enemy armies in foreign lands — if uncorrected, will lead to a police state. A police state is one in which the government’s paramount concern is for its own safety, and not for the lives, liberties and properties of those it has sworn to protect.

Are the police our servants or our masters? Can the mobs in the streets express political opinions without harming innocents? Can the government be dedicated to preserving the personal liberty — the right to be oneself — of even the most vulnerable among us? Can we use the tragedy of Ferguson to achieve a freedom-generated nonracial consensus on all this? If we fail to address this maturely, I fear that more Fergusons will soon be upon us.

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  1. The militarization of Police is a big problem: a real problem. Cops shooting black scum to death or petty criminals with dozens of prior arrests dying of a heart attack while being arrested is not.

    The media discourse now gaining strength insists upon packaging together the issue of MRAPed cops and interminable black lumenprole criminality.

    It cheapens one and gives legitimacy to the other.

    It must be rejected.

  2. Ted Plank says:

    Judge Napolitano can be a thrilling salesman for the libertarian schtick. But when it comes to his passion for Open Borders (a Neo Feudalist practice perfectly designed to suck the life out of America’s working and middle classes, annihilating jobs formerly taken by America’s low IQ citizens, high school dropouts and teenagers entering the job market, while lowering wages across the board) along with tripe like this, he blows any chance of connecting with a wider audience.

    The strangling of Eric Garner by the NYPD was a police atrocity. As was the gunning down of 12 year old Tamir Rice in Cleveland, shot while playing with a BB gun, minding his own business and not bothering anyone. But police and soldiers are taught to not draw weapons unless in fear for their life, and once the gun is unholstered they are to shoot and keep shooting until the target no longer presents a threat. Napolitano’s silly statement that Wilson should have ceased fire on the feral behaving Michael Brown while he was still standing is the mark of a man who has little immersion in the etiquette of self defense. One can be leery of the militarization of our police forces while also admitting that badly behaved young men like Michael Brown are the very reason we have a police force in the first place.

    • Replies: @Epaminondas
    , @Hare Krishna
  3. D. K. says:

    The otherworldliness of Mr. Napolitano’s legal analysis is simply breathtaking! A 6’4″ and 292-pound man is charging “like a football player” at a police officer, in the middle of a paved street, where being tackled to the pavement by even a far-smaller “youth” could instantly kill even a far-bigger man, just moments after the same miscreant, only ten minutes removed from a videotaped strong-arm robbery, had violently attacked that same police officer, who now is trying to arrest the miscreant for his two (or more) violent crimes, possibly to include attempted murder, and this former state judge, who was presumably faced with rather-similar cases during his own juridical career, applies his keen intellect, and his ideological lens of Libertarianism, to conclude that the police officer faced no imminent threat of imminent death or serious bodily harm, for which potential deadly force may have been legally applied to the violently charging serial felon to stop his potentially murderous attack?!? The (sound) mind simply boggles– at least, the (sound and legally trained) mind that, unlike Andrew Napolitano’s, is not ideologically deranged!

    IDEOLOGY = THEOLOGY – DIVINITY

    • Replies: @heath
    , @Jackson
  4. TomB says:

    Given that I very much agree with lots of what he says concerning the Framers and their fundamentally moderate libertarianism I often wondered why I didn’t like Judge Napolitano on the few occasions that I’ve seen him opine on the tube.

    But of course on the tube words fly by so fast it’s hard to pin down exactly what makes you feel uneasy about some of them.

    Now that we’ve got him in print though I see what it is here at least, which is bit of fundamental incoherence, not to mention a certain convenient glibbness when it comes to things that get in the way of him reaching that result.

    The glibness here is evidenced where he says that the job of a Grand Jury is “merely to certify that the state has enough evidence to justify the charges it seeks to present against a given defendant,” whereupon he then takes off against the prosecutor for presenting all the evidence here to the Grand Jury here instead of manipulating it to get an indictment.

    But, non-glibly stated, the job of a Grand Jury is the exact same job that a Judge has when a prosecution goes forward without a Grand Jury: To determine whether there is probable cause to believe a crime has indeed been committed.

    Unless waived by a defendant, one of the two proceedings *must* have been gone through: Either a Grand Jury, or a Probable Cause hearing in front of a Judge.

    Now, in a way, Napolitano is correct that in Grand Jury proceedings because there *is* no Judge and because of the rules prosecutors can play faster and looser in getting same to find probable cause.

    But note here that A.) What Napolitano is *condemning* here is the prosecution’s *failure* to play that faster and looser game here, and all somehow in the course of a piece arguing B.) what a police state we are turning into.

    Glibness in the service of incoherence.

    In fact, as I have written here on Unz’s pages before, it would have been just about the worst bit of misbehavior possible for the prosecution to have *not* presented the Officer’s version of events, and if the prosecution had done so other than via allowing the Officer to testify the prosecution would be absolutely *reamed* for favoring the Officer because it would have been tantamount to giving up what is the ultimo litigation prize of then *cross-examining* the Officer.

    (With it being absolutely essential for the prosecution to have relayed the Officer’s version of events to the Grand Jury because once the Officer had invoked his self-defense argument—which he immediately did—the very nature of the only crimes for which he could be prosecuted changed. Instantly. Once he did so, suddenly, under Missouri law, it became the absolutely formal, extra added duty of any prosecution of the Officer to *dis*prove that self-defense argument. Beyond a reasonable doubt. An entire extra added formal element to any crime the Officer could conceivably been charged with. No different than the element requiring proof beyond a reasonable doubt that someone had in fact been killed.)

    So … what are we left with here? A Napolitano railing on the one hand against creeping police-statism, and on the other chastising a prosecutor for the state for not taking advantage of the relative ease of obtaining probable cause findings from a Grand Jury.

    A Napolitano railing against a cop’s “obvious … unnecessary” killing, despite he himself admitting that the Grand Jury which refused to indict the cop found no probable cause to believe he violated any law.

    A Napolitano railing against a creeping police state, while railing against a Grand Jury which clearly supported the right enjoyed not just by cops but by citizens too of the fundamental right of self-defense.

    A Napolitano who writes: “Once the cop had control of the gun and the youth had been immobilized, all additional gun firing is criminal,” while ignoring the evidence that the Officer did stop firing when Brown stopped or paused his first bull-rush towards him, and only fired again when Brown resumed same, and that the only shot that immobilized Brown was the final head shot.

    This isn’t just sloppy writing, it’s sloppy thinking. Again, to the point of utter incoherence. No wonder where I at least have seen Napolitano has been on the Fox network, right alongside all the so-called “conservatives” who are telling us our job is to be the world’s police force, being in perpetual search of and at war with monsters to destroy all over the globe.

    That’s some “conservatism” they’ve got going there.

  5. Cahokia says:

    In essence, your commenters are complaining that you don’t prioritize racialism over libertarianism.

    I hope you endorse intellectual integrity instead.

  6. roulade says:

    Wrongful-death civil suits also constitute double jeopardy when criminal charges have been filed and dismissed. Regardless, it would serve liberty to have the corrupt city of Ferguson bankrupted by such a suit.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  7. “Once the cop had control of the gun and the youth had been immobilized, all additional gun firing is criminal.”

    Agree absolutely.

    So Judge, did you actually read the evidence and reporting on the case?

    The youth was not immobilized until the last two shots (1.orbit to jaw 2. fatal one to the central nervous system) which were separated by only a fraction of a second. Up until that point the physical evidence, the witnesses whose testimony does not contradict the physical evidence, and the cop agree that Brown was advancing or even charging the cop. Open and shut self defense.

  8. Jefferson says:

    Libertarians like Judge Andrew Napolitano are suppose to believe that people should be free to do whatever the hell they want as long as it does not hurt anybody else. Well Michael Brown tried to put a serious hurting on Darren Wilson, so Michael Brown’s Libertarian rights went out the window.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  9. heath says:
    @D. K.

    you forget that Wilson is also 6’4 and 225 and had received a commendation for taking down another 300 pound suspect.

    • Replies: @TomB
    , @D. K.
  10. Superman says:

    I just saw Judge Napolitano on Fox News and he emphatically said that the Ferguson and NYC cases are totally different. He said the Ferguson case involved a cop whose life was being threatened, whereas NYC did not.

    I’m not sure what happened with this article, but maybe he will retract or edit it.

  11. @Ted Plank

    The judge neglects to tell us that over 60% of all violent crimes committed in the USA are by one ethnic group comprising only 15% of our population. And blacks in other nations are just as violent, including in their own African homelands. Get real, judge.

  12. fnn says:

    In the context of recent history (Duke Lacrosse and Martin-Zimmerman), this looks like another example of the New York Times using dubious evidence to launch a Blue Tribe Jihad against the Red Tribe.

    But will the NYT be able to contain outrage over Garner?

  13. TomB says:
    @heath

    in response to another’s post heath wrote:

    “you forget that Wilson is also 6’4 and 225 and had received a commendation for taking down another 300 pound suspect.”

    I’m sorry but I really see the commentary along this line as being nothing less than just another subversive attempt to flip our traditional values on their heads—this time vis a vis our self-defense laws and ideas—and grant the primary consideration under the law to aggressing thugs.

    And, it goes without saying, requiring the victim of an aggressor (which victimhood isn’t even disputed) to take instant and accurate measure of the threat they are facing and take such risks of being wrong all so that—horror of horrors—some thug’s life isn’t cut short. Some thug who—again, without dispute—decided to go out and initiate and perpetrate some violence on some other innocent.

    Just the same sort of subversive, counter-culture concern that clearly animates the gun-control claque. With about 35,000 gun deaths per year in this country, and a full 2/3 of those being suicides and another few thousand being justified shootings what you’ve got left is a relative tiny number of actual innocents getting killed by criminals with guns, and the vast majority of the victims simply being thugs killed by other thugs. Just as any nightly read of the crime section of most any urban newspaper will note.

    But—just as those numbers ineluctably show—*that’s* who the gun control people are *really* concerned with. To the degree of wanting to take away your right to defend yourself. All to save the life of some thug.

    No different than their opposition to the stand your ground law or the Castle doctrine, demanding that in the face of aggression the burden is on you to retreat and take the risks, not on the aggressor to not initiate their violence or lawlessness in the first place.

    Or, in other words, working to make the world a safer place for thugs.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  14. @roulade

    And where would the blacks move then?

    Shortsighted fool.

  15. @Jefferson

    In a libertarian society, Michael Brown wouldn’t have survived his encounter with the Arab shopkeeper long enough to be shot by Ofc. Wilson.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. TWS says:

    Since the kid committing felony assault robbery and another assault upon a police officer was stopped by the final shot, I’m not convinced that the good judge would be content with anything short of a kangaroo court or a good old fashioned lynching.

    The last shot stopped him none of the others did. The guy was hyped up, violent (observably so just minutes before assaulting someone literally less than half his size) and so under the influence of THC that professionals have stated his drug levels were sufficient for hallucination. But the judge knows better.

    Let’s all play a game. Let someone the size of Brown hit you in the head as hard as they can and wrestle for your gun then see how you make critical split second decisions. The funny thing is I am certain that the judge has made mistakes in his life and career even mistakes from the bench perhaps some that denied somebody justice but he doesn’t even have the mitigating factor of an on-going felony assault and brain trauma to point to in his defense (if any defense is needed for the officer). The fact is it is a good shoot and Brown is dead. Brown would be alive today if he were not a violent career criminal.

  17. David says:

    So long as the black community feels it is being treated unfairly, the government will have failed it, says Mr Napolitano.

    I think the race-based decisions failing black people involve affirmative action, which teaches them that they are entitled to a seat at every table and a share of every pie regardless of their contribution. When they don’t get it, they destroy what they’re hopeless to attain.

  18. Truth says:

    “As bad as it was for those cops to have beaten King, it was worse for the government to violate the prohibition on double jeopardy by using the legal fiction of federal jurisdiction and federal prosecution as being so distinct from what the State of California had tried and failed to do that the second trial did not constitute a constitutionally prohibited repeated attempt to convict. It did.”

    So Drew, I take it your were just choking back the tears when the Federal Judge gave the Brown family all of (not guilty) OJ’s money?

    Well, anyway, so you’ve had a good, collective whine for about, what, three weeks now?

    Your heads happily on each other’s shoulders, leaving wet, runny stains of tears. Lots of Leo Buscaglia, “I’m OK, you’re OK shit.” One large 6-5 295 lb. straw man built so that you can each collectively take a swipe at it with your Lee press- nails to distract yourselves from the mundane/ pathetic nature of your everyday lives. And other than I few minor interjections I didn’t interfere much, because, well, contrary to popular belief The Truthster has a warm heart, and you needed the circle jerk. And besides, I appreciate you guys perfectly symbiotic relationship with the press; they tell you what to think, you think it!

    But I just heard a loud chime, so tell me; are we ready to get back to the real world?

    “For example, FBI clearance and arrest tabulations now indicate black youths under age 18 account for just 2% of the nation’s homicides.”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/24/1347121/-Study-Today-s-young-African-Americans-display-the-lowest-rates-of-crime-of-any-generation#

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @D. K.
  19. Art says:

    Once the cop had control of the gun and the youth had been immobilized, all additional gun firing is criminal. That the youth was the aggressor does not diminish the cop’s obvious criminal overuse of deadly force.

    Poor Judge Napolitano – he sure is catching hell – once again we see that one should NEVER ever get between someone’s gonad based racial hate and reality – no matter what good you has done in the past, they will loathe you more than the victims of their irrational hate.

    Never expose a racist for what he is – he will want to extinguish you.

  20. Judge, Why not set up a fake encounter with a 300 lb man against you armed with a blank pistol. The worst the man is allowed to do to you is a hard elbow in the mouth as hard as he can. You can stop this by firing the blanks. I have a thousand bucks that says you will have an empty pistol before he gets to you.

  21. unit472 says:

    I’d say what we have is the inevitable collusion of two liberal policies. OTOH we have a liberal welfare state that has taxed and criminalized everything in a desperate search for revenue to pay its armies of public sector employees and parasites and on the other allowed a feral underclass to develop for whom any attempt at regulation of is seen as ‘disrespect’ and racism.

    Consider this Garner fellow. Reduced to selling loose cigarettes because the state of New York has taxed them so heavily he can profitably do so. Who hates tobacco but the liberals of New York yet they need the revenue derived from its sale so they order their police forces to enforce their tax laws on a penny ante tax cheat ( BTW why doesn’t the state of New York give the same treatment to a much bigger tax cheat named Al Sharpton?). Then there’s Ferguson… tobacco figures large in this story too. Cigarillos stolen from a convenience store. $48 bucks worth at liberal welfare state prices. Probably 2 or 3 dollars worth at their ‘real’ price.

    Blacks protest about traffic stops. They have reason to. I don’t drive at night much anymore simply because I stand a greater chance of being robbed by the police than I do criminals! An anecdote from June of this year. My girlfriend was driving home after dinner with some friends. It was a bit after 11:00 PM. She was adjusting the seat in my Nissan Titan and going 30 in a 45 mph zone on an empty street on a week night. For this she is pulled over by police. Her license, registration and insurance are all in order and she doesn’t drink. Still the police officer says her eyes are red and watering so he invites her to perform the roadside sobriety test. She explains she has a cyst in her sinuses that is scheduled to be surgically removed in two days and it causes her eyes to water and she rubs her eyes a lot because of the discomfort. Of course he doesn’t buy it and arrests her for DUI even though the only ‘drugs’ he finds are antibiotics and some Rx nose drops. Two weeks later the States Attorney reviews the arrest and drops the charges but I am out $206 because the cops had my truck towed. I am not poor but if you are, these kind of shakedowns occur often and people can’t afford them. Get a $168 ticket from a stoplight camera for turning right and not coming to a complete stop at 1:00 AM isn’t about safety its about revenue and $168 is a lot of money to some people. If they can’t pay the fine their drivers license is suspended until they do and if they get caught driving to work to try to earn the money to pay their fine its off to jail and perhaps the loss of their job too!

    Like I said, I’m not poor so this doesn’t happen to me today but I was young and broke once upon a time and, Thank God! driving while poor was not yet a criminal offense.

  22. rod1963 says:

    The fact is this discussion wouldn’t be happening if Brown didn’t steal a box of cigars, rough up the clerk and then punch out a cop and try to take his pistol.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Chris Mallory
  23. Truth says:
    @rod1963

    No, truly it would not have happened if the Peace Officer had not greeted the county citizen (whom he works for) with, “What the fuck are you doing?! Get the fuck out of the street?!”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jackson
  24. @TomB

    Sorry Tom, this has nothing to do with “self defense”. I would have no problem with a citizen shooting Brown under these conditions, but it wasn’t a citizen doing the shooting. It was a government employee. When you take the government’s dime, you give up your rights while you are on the job. Those rights are replaced with delegated authority. Wilson was being paid to take risks. If cops no longer want to take those risks, then it is well past time to cut their bloated paychecks, cancel their platinum benefits and make sure they work until age 67 like the productive citizens are required to do. It is well past time to start disarming cops. They carry weapons only with our permission, we can remove that permission.

    • Replies: @TomB
  25. @rod1963

    The fact is this discussion wouldn’t be happening if Brown didn’t steal a box of cigars, rough up the clerk and then punch out a cop and try to take his pistol.

    The first two have nothing to do with the shooting. The last two force you to depend on the word of a trained liar. The cop should never have had his pistol drawn in the first place.

  26. D. K. says:
    @heath

    Actually, I forget very little of what makes it into my long-term memory, other than some people’s names and the like. (Thirty years ago, yesterday evening, for instance, I met with a couple– whose names I do recall, but shall herein withhold– to see “Stop Making Sense” at the Pike Place Market, the day after joining them in the Kingdome to watch the Seahawks host the Lions. While we three were at the game, the Bhopal disaster was unfolding at a Union Carbide plant in India.) As a trained attorney (inter alia), however, I am better able than most to distinguish between what is a material fact and what is not, and especially so within a specifically legal context, like the Ferguson case at issue here.

    As I had stated, above, being tackled on pavement can result in instant death, even if the assailant is tiny compared to his victim. The decedent, in the Ferguson case, however, was by no means tiny compared to the policeman whom he attacked, and presumably wished to injure, if not outright kill. The fact that that policeman supposedly had been commended for his capturing a similarly sized miscreant, in the past, is therefore not relevant, let alone material, to the legal issues involved– e.g., the justified use of force (by an officer of the law) or a general right to personal self-defense (by any man violently attacked by another).

  27. Dave37 says:

    Seems to me that Federal prosecution would be a de facto conviction though second guessing the cop’s actions in the heat of the moment will be difficult to justify. But as mentioned in the article it already has a high profile, which makes it political. If the Prez is smart he would pardon the conviction and though he has already started a program of demilitarization of the police, cameras and community relations, make it a public dialog with publicised results.

  28. Three steps to not being shot by the police.

    #1 Do not rob convenience stores
    #2 Do not jaywalk in the middle of the road
    #3 Do not attack police officers.

    So simple even a Harvard alum like Barack Obama can do.

  29. TomB says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Gee Chris, just think of what would happen if you disarmed the police: Why, the totally natural and logical and utterly predictable. They would just avoid getting involved in violence despite it being perpetrated on the rest of us.

    On an even wider scale than just as what happened in the L.A. riots and, as I understand it, what happened in Ferguson even: They just let rioters run wild and stayed the hell out, totally betraying the non-thugs who owned the businesses and shops and houses destroyed.

    Ah but I suppose once the remaining inhabitants of the resulting lunar landscape start complaining (their forte of course) about what they have created, we should then pour millions of reconstruction and housing and welfare dollars in so they can burn the neighborhoods down once again when they want and start their fun all over again.

    Moreover, the one thing you are either forgetting or aren’t aware of—with *most* people being unaware of same: The police actually *already* have no constitutional legal duty whatsoever to protect you. None whatsoever. Look it up; it’s a Supreme Court case, and it’s made the law in actual circumstances any number of times in any number of states. The fail in same and you have zero recourse. None. You call and say a man is pointing a gun at you threatening to shoot you. They fail to respond, or they respond and just sit there and the man shoots you. End of story. They have no legal liability whatsoever.

    And here you wish to give them even more reason to not want to protect you.

    As I noted before, there’s a counter-cultural subversiveness to all this: Establish that just when a law-and-order presence is *most* needed—such as during riots and etc.—that is when it is least likely you will get a law-and-order presence.

    Makes me laugh when I see the result of such thinking: Ghettos whose people most need police protection, protesting the most about it. Protesting the stopping of the Mr. Browns who steal from the local businesses and drive them out of business, and who go swaggering down the middle of their streets, high on drugs early in the mornings even, obstructing traffic and getting into fights.
    “Go ghettos go,” a part of me wants to say. “Get what you ask for ever more,” because already the willingness of the people to put up with this insanity and help them rebuild the crap-holes they have made and inhabit is obviously coming to an end.

    I.e., no wonder it’s becoming increasingly clear that the real enemy of the Left is just simply everyone who doesn’t want to live in a ghetto like that.

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Truth

    Brown would never be a net producer. Wilson saved the taxpayers alot of money.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Stone Garden
  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Another way to avoid being shot while black is to stay indoors, as used to be required of non-whites in the many Sundown Towns.

    • Replies: @Stone Garden
  32. Jackson says:
    @D. K.

    Hey, I love that last statement. I always believed that Marxism is Christianity minus Christ.

  33. Jackson says:
    @Truth

    You don’t know if this is the truth. (NPI).

    • Replies: @Truth
  34. GW says:

    Would we even know of this case if both the cop and the youth had been of the same race? Probably not.

    Better question. Would libertopians be seeking prosecution of the shooter if the shooter weren’t a cop? Probably not.

  35. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s always nice when a clairvoyant joins the thread, but tell me; what makes YOU a net producer. Do you produce anything but wealth for your boss?

  36. Truth says:
    @Jackson

    I don’t know if anything is the truth, other than the fact that a cop shot someone to death, there were no cameras depicting the event. I went by eyewitness testimony, same as, I assume, you did.

  37. Mark says:

    I’m always hearing white liberals saying black proneness to criminality is a myth propagated by white racists. For some reason, though, whenever I drive through an inner city black neighborhood I hardly ever see any white liberals walking around. It takes a certain kind of hypocrite to say they don’t think blacks are dangerous while carefully avoiding black neighborhoods.

  38. “…when cops are hired because they are white,…”? Your Honor: What planet are you from? Under heavy AA pressure, police departments are eager to find Soul Brothers for the force. Problem #1: They must not have criminal records. Problem#2: They must be able to pass the academic requirements. That cuts out a lot of Brutha’s.

    The Ferguson police department and government are historical vestiges from when Ferguson itself was white, before the Federal Gummint, in its wisdom, decided the town needed a more vibrant diversity.

    What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?

  39. Superman says:

    going 30 in a 45 mph zone

    The only people who drive this slowly are senior citizens and drunks.

  40. @Anonymous

    Poor poor Gnostic! He’s seems to be alienated irreconcilably from what he doubtless lay claim upon when he was younger.

    Amerika has drowned in the Great Tide of Color, he is convinced. All hope’s lost.

    So what does he do? He disowns Amerikana, indeed, the West and goes all the way to Eastern Orthodoxy. O_O

    However, some problematic statements in the Gospel, among others, remained. Thankfully r/K selection and Tea-Partyism were there to save the day, and give Gnostic another chance to live the life he long craved – a life denied to him by the Coloreds.

    I have the solution to your antagonistic ideological contradiction, Gnostic, namely Christian Identity.

    Its a simple and straightforward and coherent creed. A truly and purely racial religion. Orthodoxy has nothing on Identity.

    With CI, you no longer have to rape the divine mandate of “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth” (Genesis 1:28, 9:7) with r-selection of those dark-skinned over-breeding Third World immigrant invader welfare parasite savages. :-/

    True, the FBI is hot on their tails, but you ain’t afraid, are ya? Or may be you are.

    CI’s too un-PC, even for you. PC, as you may or may not know, has scale and a negative axis.

    Get too uppity, and in the age of mass surveillance, Hellfire missile drones, SWAT, black ops and God knows what else, I wouldn’t bet on your health.

    This is where I start talking about HATE: sometimes the hater’s hate becomes so strong, indeed overwhelming, that it overrides all considerations of self-interest.

    So go ahead, Gnostic, cheer lead your Black-killing paramilitary death squads – minions of the National Security State. Let them practice on the Negroes.

    In the mean time, take a good look at Galatians 6:7. We’ll all dance around in Hell 🙂

  41. @Anonymous

    Hmm, true…

    There’s yet another way:

    Take a cue from Haiti, Rhodesia, South Africa, Algeria et al. and expel whites back to their ancestral homeland.

    Nothing serious; just a genuine application of Blut und Boden.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  42. @Stone Garden

    Haiti, Rhodesia, South Africa, Algeria et al.

    All excellent examples of what happens when the whites leave. How many blacks do you see immigrating to those places now that they’ve thrown off the yoke of the white man?

    You know, instead of stringing together a bunch of random thoughts, you could try to deconstruct my premise: Michael Brown was never going to put more into society than he took out. The odds are excellent one of his own homies would have shot him before he turned 25. He was not needed nor wanted. He was a big, dead-eyed bully, stoned and fresh off shoving around a shopkeeper less than half his size. Well guess what, he met another bully, and this one had superior firepower. Michael Brown was tried in the court of lex mundi and adjudged guilty. That’s what happens when you get stoned and engage in petty theft and bullying, then wander around in the middle of the street and bull-rush an armed cop. He made his life cheap, and somebody took him up on it.

    I think you will get your wish re: Ferguson. Whites will leave, and it will become a black mono-culture where the new, all-black police force doesn’t bother with yelling at stoned youngsters to get on the sidewalk–what’s the need? There’s hardly any cars in the silent streets with their boarded-up shops…

    • Replies: @Stone Garden
  43. Svigor says:

    As bad as it was for those cops to have beaten King, it was worse for the government to violate the prohibition on double jeopardy by using the legal fiction of federal jurisdiction and federal prosecution as being so distinct from what the State of California had tried and failed to do that the second trial did not constitute a constitutionally prohibited repeated attempt to convict. It did.

    The Delusion of Equality is devouring western civilization. Well, its pervayors are, anyway.

    In Ferguson, the law enforcement case is far more straightforward than the racial complexities. A white cop put 10 bullets into the body of an unarmed black youth with whom he was wrestling for control of his gun. The cop succeeded in wresting the gun from the youth and then proceeded to kill him. Once the cop had control of the gun and the youth had been immobilized, all additional gun firing is criminal. That the youth was the aggressor does not diminish the cop’s obvious criminal overuse of deadly force.

    I can’t make heads or tails of this Godawful paragraph. Don’t quit your day job.

  44. Svigor says:

    It’s always nice when a clairvoyant joins the thread, but tell me; what makes YOU a net producer. Do you produce anything but wealth for your boss?

    Mother Nature made him a net producer.

    He produces money for your fellow blacks to live on. Probably to pay your salary, too. You’re still on the gov’t job tit, right?

    • Replies: @Stone Garden
  45. @The Anti-Gnostic

    All excellent examples of what happens when the whites leave.

    What? That the colored inhabitants of these areas survived biologically, culturally and spiritually whereas the autochthonous races of the Americas and Australia went the way of the Dodo?

    How many blacks do you see immigrating to those places now that they’ve thrown off the yoke of the white man?

    How many whites do I see squatting on the lands that once belonged to colored races? Hundreds of millions.

    The only exception seems to be the Third Reich which did an Indian Removal on the Poles.

    You know, instead of stringing together a bunch of random thoughts, you could try to deconstruct my premise:

    You know, instead of stringing together a bunch of random thoughts, you could try to deconstruct Judge’s premise:

    The cops have become unaccountable, and on account of that unaccountability, they see it legitimate for themselves to do whatever they want.

    The odds are excellent one of his own homies would have shot him before he turned 25.

    The “odds” justify his extrajudicial killing (aka murder) by the cops.

    Oh. Why didn’t I get earlier?

    He was not needed nor wanted.

    By you? Of course, he wasn’t.

    He was a big, dead-eyed bully, stoned and fresh off shoving around a shopkeeper less than half his size.

    Summary execution for that??? Even Draco would have shuddered.

    …he met another bully…

    So you concede that the cop deserves what he wasn’t delivered?

    Michael Brown was tried in the court of lex mundi and adjudged guilty.

    Could we extrapolate the same lex mundi verdict for Mumia Abu Jamal? Well guess what, the cop met another bully, and this one had superior firepower.

    No I think. The racial permutation/combination of the actors were incorrect.

    bull-rush an armed cop.

    What did Eric Garner do when he was murdered? He wasn’t bull-rushing anybody. He was being strangled by the cop when he was murdered.

  46. @Svigor

    Mother Nature made him a net producer.

    I had long known that accusations of savage, rapist, parasite etc., when used by whites, are NOT descriptives of actual personal/collective behavior but an ethnonym for non-whites.

    Glad I am proved right yet again. 🙂

  47. Truth says:

    We’re all on the government tit.

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    since you like manipulating (or don’t understand) numbers, let’s try it my way. if we are discussing black males aged 15-18, we can say that approximately .25% of the population commits 2% of the homicides. That’s a lot, especially for high school age kids! so the biggest contingent of young black males, covering at least to age 30, is conveniently left out of your equation also. deceptively, i may add, and i’m sure all the black toddlers and infants lumped into your “under 18” category create a bit of statistical dilution.
    so much for your “real world.”

  49. Truth says:

    @Truth

    since you like manipulating (or don’t understand) numbers, let’s try it my way. if we are discussing black males aged 15-18, we can say that approximately .25% of the population commits 2% of the homicides. That’s a lot, especially for high school age kids! so the biggest contingent of young black males, covering at least to age 30, is conveniently left out of your equation also. deceptively, i may add, and i’m sure all the black toddlers and infants lumped into your “under 18″ category create a bit of statistical dilution.

    The statistics say that “black males under 18 commit 2% of all murders in America.” That is roughly on par with the percentage of the population of black males under 18. I don’t play golf, buy “par” means, “expected”; no?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  50. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    If you “expected” Black males, ages 16-17, to commit murder at the same rate as Black baby boys, under age two, then sure. If not, then, since the former would comprise only about two-tenths of one percent of the resident population of the United States, you would “expect” them to commit only about one out of every five hundred murders committed in this country. Do black males in that two-year age range, 16-17, commit as many murders as you “expected”– or somewhat more or less?

    • Replies: @Truth
  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    There is a reason “libertarian” sounds a lot like “liberal”.

    Both tend to insist that Black Americans are not personally responsible for their terrible, violent, criminal actions.

    It’s always “society ‘s fault”.

    It’s the fault of Racism, not enough government programs, or the reverse too much government, too much police.

    Rand Paul is now the worst idiot Liberal Libertarian loon shameless pandering to the worst criminal Blacks.

  52. Sam J. says:

    What bothers me is why Brown and Trayvon? Notice these two cases where them being shot is a clear case of self defense and the controlled press goes on and on about it. Yet the strangling of Eric Garner by the NYPD and the gunning down of 12 year old in Cleveland they don’t have near the coverage. From the videos shown it can be at least easily shown the cops were negligent if not homicidal. Why the first two and not the second? The press seems to be manipulating use for some reason. Maybe making Whites ask for more police control as the first two cases make Black protest seem unreasonable but if they had focused on the last two protest would seem more logical and the police state would have seemed more notorious.

  53. Mark says:

    FBI statistics show that blacks under 18 and whites under 18 commit about the same number of murders. There are only forty percent as many blacks as whites, though, in that age group so the black murder rate is about two and half times the white murder rate. One of the major drivers of the decreasing crime rate over the last thirty years is the almost complete physical separation of whites from the black underclass. Whites can’t be robbed or murdered by blacks if they have moved twenty miles outside the city to a suburb and that is pretty much what has happened. The few whites left in inner city areas are often wealthy whites who live in buildings with extensive security, don’t use public transportation, and send their kids to private schools. The cost of all these measures have been astronomical for whites. Without this huge expense, crime rates would be much higher. Where this process hasn’t been completed, whites still have major problems with blacks. Ferguson is an example of a white area turning black. Michael Brown was able to rob a store and blacks were able to loot stores only because it was a formerly white area where all the stores that served whites hadn’t left yet. The left over white police were still trying to enforce white middle class norms like not walking in the middle of the street in a community that no longer was majority white and supported those norms. When the process of Ferguson going black is completed, there won’t be stores to rob or loot and everyone will be walking in the street and blocking traffic whenever they want.

  54. Truth says:
    @D. K.

    Well, let’s put in in simpler terms:

    In 2013 there were 14,196 murders in the US:

    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

    Assuming that everyone of that 2% bracket of murders was committed by a black boy from 16-18, that comprises a total of about 282 murders in the whole of America by EVERY black boy from 16-18.

    Now the more interesting question is; “Do black males in that two-year age range, 16-17, commit as many murders as YOU “expected”– or somewhat more or less?”

    • Replies: @D. K.
  55. Truth says:

    Why the first two and not the second?

    Excellent question, My Good Man. You have now chosen the red pill; and the short answer is this:
    If all but the certifiable whackos that it was bad, this situation creates (temporary) racial cohesion instead of racial dissidence, which is the only way people at the top stay in power. That, plus the whole fake “riot” thing conveniently just “happened” to happen during “Dutch” Obama’s amnesty.

    You have now completed the first course in what is a ten-year course of study on the Hegelian Dialectic.

  56. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    I have no idea, frankly, what you are claiming and asking, because your prose is as dysfunctional as your statistical abilities!?! Black males who are in between their 16th and 18th birthdays– i.e., 16 and 17 year olds– are about one-five-hundredth of the resident population of the United States, which is now close to 320,000,000, according to the United States Census Bureau. So, if there were fewer than 15,000 murders in the United States, last year, one would “expect” under 30 of those murders to have been committed by Black males who were then aged either 16 or 17. So, how did your own expectations fare?

  57. Truth says:

    And I’m asking you; every murder victim of a black teenager in 2013 could flown from Dallas to Atlanta on a Delta 747, and their would have been room left over for you and your family, co-workers, friends, Svigor, Whiskey, Mr. Anon, and all their ex-girlfirends (admittedly the last subgroup is microscopic.)

    So how did your own expectations fare?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  58. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    How many Black teenagers– 13-19 years of age (not just those under 18, since you yourself chose the category)– committed murder in 2013? [N.B.: As should go without saying, the number of murderers exceeds the number of murders. (Just ask the Bosnian community in Saint Louis….)] What is your source for that figure? More to the point, what is your point? Am I supposed to be impressed by how few Black teenagers actually commit murder, in any given calendar year, compared to the total number of Black teenagers available to commit murder? Sorry, genius; it is the rate at which any given demographic group commits homicide, compared to any (or all) other demographic group(s), that is the salient comparison.

    Blacks, as a race, commit over half of all homicides in the United States– year in and year out, decade after decade– despite their comprising barely one-eighth of the resident population, here. Black males, by themselves, must come very close, at least, to committing the majority of all of our homicides, with young Black males, in particular, committing the overwhelming majority of all of the homicides committed by Blacks, in the United States, and thus a very large minority of all of our homicides, despite their being only a few percent of the resident population. As a group, Blacks commit homicide, in the United States, at something like fifty times the rate of so-called Asians! To those extra forty-nine victims, per capita, that is a very salient fact.

  59. Jim says:

    The fundamental problem with inner-city black males is a combination of low IQ and high propensity to violence.

  60. Truth says:

    [N.B.: As should go without saying, the number of murderers exceeds the number of murders. (Just ask the Bosnian community in Saint Louis….)]

    What about the murderers of more than one?

    What is your source for that figure?

    4th grade math and approximation.

    More to the point, what is your point? Am I supposed to be impressed by how few Black teenagers actually commit murder, in any given calendar year, compared to the total number of Black teenagers available to commit murder? Sorry, genius; it is the rate at which any given demographic group commits homicide, compared to any (or all) other demographic group(s), that is the salient comparison.

    “Lies…damned lies…statistics”

    -Some old, dead white guy

    As a group, Blacks commit homicide, in the United States, at something like fifty times the rate of so-called Asians!

    And how do whites compare to Asians?

    To those extra forty-nine victims, per capita,

    I’ve never attended a “victim per capita’s” funeral, have you?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  61. Mark says:

    D.K., don’t you know underclass blacks are a bunch of angels and we should let them move into our neighborhoods and go to our schools and they won’t cause any problems at all! Just ignore how poorly forced integration went back in the sixties and seventies the last time liberals claimed that blacks could live side by side with whites without causing any problems. You know, back before the whites moved completely out of all the cities that had large concentrations of blacks. D.K., you are such a racist to believe it won’t go better next time. Listen to the wise Truthman, you white racist. Don’t worry about those young black males. They are just like us!

  62. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    The number of homicides in which more than one person is legally culpable for a death far exceeds the number of multiple homicides by a single individual, which are relatively rare, but disproportionately newsworthy and, thus, tend to be more widely known and better recollected. [Cf., infra.]

    Fourth-grade Math allowed you to approximate how many of those 14,196 homicide victims, from last year, were murdered by teenaged Black males? In the words of your unfortunate fourth-grade teacher: “SHOW YOUR WORK!”

    The official United States Department of Justice statistics which– prior to the current Afrocentric regime– showed the races of known criminal perpetrators vis-a-vis those of their respective known victims were, according to you, fraudulent and racist (i.e., merely anti-Black propaganda)?!? Which valid and reliable crime statistics would you care to submit to us, here and now, to support that laughably rank insinuation?

    Whites commit homicide at significantly higher rates than so-called Asians, in the United States; but, the official figures are deliberately skewed: they count the overwhelming majority of Hispanic and Latino killers as Whites (essentially, unless they are Blacks who happen to be Hispanics– like Red Sox juicer David ‘Big Poppy’ Ortiz), while counting Hispanic victims as a separate category (even if they are White Hispanics– unlike the part-Black mestizo George Zimmerman). Hispanics are far more prone to committing homicide (inter alia) than non-Hispanic Whites, essentially midway between non-Hispanic Blacks and non-Hispanic Whites. At any rate, even with that very-deliberate government conflating of most Hispanic offenders with non-Hispanic White offenders, Whites, in the United States, commit a disproportionately small percentage of homicides, in this country. But then, you probably already knew that, didn’t you?

    [If you need a good laugh, sometime, go to the official Web site for Texas law enforcement, and gaze upon the visages, and read the accompanying names, of its most-wanted killers, most of whom are officially labeled, there, as “White” (or “Caucasian”), even though most of those wanted men make the aforementioned Mr. Zimmerman look like a German Zimmerman from Herr Hitler’s Third Reich!]

    I have only attended the funeral of one non-family member, in my entire life. He was a schoolmate, one year ahead of me, in one of my sisters’ class at Holy Rosary School, who was killed by a car, while his recently widowed father looked on in shock from his front doorway, one summer evening, in the mid-1960s. Our entire grade school attended the funeral mass, although we did not go to the burial, afterwards, but instead returned to our classes, next door.

    I did not go to the funeral of the head of the diocese’s CYO, in January 1977, as I was back at school, for my final semester as an undergraduate. He was the best friend of my older priestly brother and, also, of one of our cousins. The three of them were almost inseparable, during their youth. I forget if my brother said the funeral mass, or if the bishop did. Probably both, since my brother, back then, was the latter’s assistant, at the Cathedral, years before he resettled in El Salvador, where he remains, for the duration, as a dual citizen. (The murder rates, down there, are something else again….)

    The CYO head and his lovely wife, whose apartment I had visited, along with my aforementioned brother and cousin, just the preceding summer, were on their way home from a college basketball game, that winter night, which they attended with my cousin, who was then living in Chicago. As they were driving back to Indiana, they were forced off the road by another car. The two occupants approached my friends, who were sitting in their own car, wondering what had just happened, and why. The other driver walked up and shot my friend dead. His companion dragged the new widow from the car, brutally pistol-whipped her, and left her for dead, on the side of the freeway, on a cold January night; and then, the two killers drove away.

    Although the murder and assault were fairly run-of-the-mill– it is a different culture, you see, so we simply have no way of understanding it, let alone any right to judge it, from our own vaunted position of unearned White Privilege!– the sentences made the national news, they were so enormously long. If only Barrack Obama– or, as he was then, Barry Soetero– had been around to organize the community against this White oppression! Alas, he was then but a fifteen-year-old pothead, in Hawaii, attending the state’s most prestigious prep school, courtesy of his virulently racist White grandmother, a banker with an irrational fear of possibly being assaulted by young black males, according to her disgusted mulatto grandson.

    “And so it goes.” — a now-dead White survivor of Dresden

  63. Truth says:

    Fourth-grade Math allowed you to approximate how many of those 14,196 homicide victims, from last year, were murdered by teenaged Black males? In the words of your unfortunate fourth-grade teacher: “SHOW YOUR WORK!”

    %2 of 14,196 is still approximately 284 isn’t it?

    The official United States Department of Justice statistics which– prior to the current Afrocentric regime– showed the races of known criminal perpetrators vis-a-vis those of their respective known victims were, according to you, fraudulent and racist (i.e., merely anti-Black propaganda)?!?

    Where did I write anything of the sort?

    Whites commit homicide at significantly higher rates than so-called Asians, in the United States; but, the official figures are deliberately skewed

    So you don’t believe that white people are intrinsically more violent than Asians?

    : they count the overwhelming majority of Hispanic and Latino killers as Whites (essentially, unless they are Blacks who happen to be Hispanics– like Red Sox juicer David ‘Big Poppy’ Ortiz), while counting Hispanic victims as a separate category

    I’ve read this oft-repeated silliness here a hundred times, but I yet to have anyone post a study in which Hispanics were agreggated with whites as offenders, yet separated as victims in the same study. If you have a link to one, please share.

    (even if they are White Hispanics– unlike the part-Black mestizo George Zimmerman).

    Showing a reporter a grainy old picture of a black woman, when you are looking at 25 years to life, don’t make is so, Sport. If my mother showed you a picture of Sofia Loren, would you believe she was mine?

    “[If you need a good laugh, sometime, go to the official Web site for Texas law enforcement, and gaze upon the visages, and read the accompanying names, of its most-wanted killers, most of whom are officially labeled, there, as “White” (or “Caucasian”)

    According to Steve himself, there are only 3 races, so should we lump those fellers in with Yao Ming?

    As they were driving back to Indiana, they were forced off the road by another car.

    Well isn’t that story convenient; and so kind of you to show your respects.

    it is a different culture, you see, so we simply have no way of understanding it, let alone any right to judge it, from our own vaunted position of unearned White Privilege!…the sentences made the national news, they were so enormously long…–

    Apparently the jurors had no problem.

    I

    • Replies: @D. K.
  64. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    The chart that you linked to listed the number of crimes. You have not provided any credible source showing that teenaged Black males (i.e., those 13-19 years of age) committed “only” 2% of all of the homicides committed in the United States, last year, according to that chart. At any rate, teenaged Black males comprise well under 1% of the resident population of the United States; so, even if they were guilty of committing “only” 2% of all American homicides, last year, that would still have been well over twice their actual share of the American population. Hardly anything to write home about….

    You quoted “some old, dead white guy” about “…statistics,” and I merely drew the readily apparent import of your quote, vis-a-vis the quote from my own previous reply that you cited, in front of that well-worn quotation. If you had some other import in mind, I still cannot imagine what that was.

    I believe that those of us of indigenous-European descent, as a race, are inherently more violent than those we used to call Orientals (i.e., Chinese, Japanese and Koreans) are, as a race. I consider the use of the continental term “Asian” as a racial, let alone as an ethnic, designator to be moronic, however– which is why I myself referred to “so-called Asians.” I do not consider all of the ethnic groups that are connected, presently or historically, to the vast Asian portion of Eurasia to be less violent, by nature, than the native-European peoples, from which I myself spring. I believe that we of European descent are inherently less violent than Amerasians and mestizos, as races, sub-races or, if you prefer, demographic groupings.

    We who often have pointed out the government’s intellectual dishonesty in aggregating (most) Hispanics with Whites, as perpetrators, while instead disaggregating them as victims, are not referring to studies; we are referring to government statistics– and, most especially, but not exclusively, vis-a-vis supposed “hate crime” statistics. If I were to kill a Mexican, while publicly denigrating his heritage, I would be charged with a White-on-Hispanic hate-crime enhancement. If he killed me, while publicly denigrating my racial and ethnic heritage, on the other hand, (a) it is unlikely that he would be charged with a hate-crime enhancement, at all, since police authorities go to great lengths to deny such motivations, and (b) if he were charged with such an enhancement, it would, in most cases, be recorded as a “White-on-White” (!) hate crime, not as an Hispanic-on-White hate crime. That you remain ignorant of the way that hate-crime enhancements are used, and how those are then tabulated, does not change the facts. Again, look at the Texas fugitives, pictured on line, who are overwhelmingly Amerindians and mestizos, yet who are listed overwhelmingly as “White” (or “Caucasian”), instead, as anyone with Internet access may see for himself, at the state’s own Web site.

    If your mother showed me a picture of Sophia Loren, would I believe that she was yours? . . . your what?!? I certainly would recognize S. Loren, and I would certainly be able to tell that the woman showing me the picture was not the actress in the picture. Beyond that, I have no idea what you are intending to ask me!?! As to George Zimmerman, did you happen to see his mother and maternal uncle, on the stand, during the trial? I did, and I certainly am able to believe that those nut-brown Amerindians have some African heritage, as alleged. Even if they do not, however, they are certainly far more Amerindian than European– if European at all. George Zimmerman himself is instantly recognizable as an Hispanic “person of color”– and in no other circumstances would the ruling class, including “The New York Times” and its ilk, have considered him to be simply “White”– nor even a “White Hispanic” (a term which they rarely have used, at all, in any other context, since they wish to promote the myth of Hispanics being a singular and cohesive grouping!) rather than a mestizo. The picture at issue, at any rate, was not even of one of his female ancestors.

    Steve Sailer is well aware that there are three major races, as well as additional sub-races, like the Amerindians, that have delineated from them. As he often says, a race is a “partially inbred extended family.” The fact that races are not discrete is what distinguishes them from species, not what proves them to be a malignant myth, based on some supposedly genocidal European pseudo-science. Scientists can choose a minuscule portion of someone’s genome, at random, and match him or her to one of the major racial categories with virtually 100% accuracy, or else show him or her to be of mixed races. That is not a mere parlor trick that a pseudo-science could master.

    It was not a convenient story for those involved, nor for those of us who knew him. I would be happy to do a Google News search and point you to an article documenting his death, and his widow’s brutal beating, along with the sentences handed down by the judge, to assure the public, especially loved ones and friends of the victims, that those killers would never leave prison alive. [ERRATA: I erred when I typed 1977; the crimes took place in January 1978. As a result, I should have noted that Barry Soetero was already a 16-year-old pothead, rather than merely a 15-year-old pothead. Mea maxima culpa!] As for the judge and jurors, that was over thirty-five years ago– back when what is political correctness, today, was merely the malevolent gleam in some demented neobolshevik’s fevered brain. I was a liberal Democratic activist, back then, rather than the paleoliberal political independent that I am today; I and my political ilk, in Chicagoland, back in 1978, were not prone to rationalizing and excusing the feral and deadly criminal behavior of cold-blooded killers, as some self-styled “liberals” and “progressives” are today.

  65. D. K. says:

    ERRATUM: In the third paragraph of my previous comment, I inadvertently typed “Amerasians and mestizos,” near the end of the paragraph, when I obviously meant “Amerindians and mestizos,” instead. Mea culpa!

  66. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    I went back and checked the sources that you apparently are using to mistakenly claim that Black teenagers commit only 2% of all homicides in the United States. In the first place, these sources are discussing Black minors– those under 18 years of age– rather than Black teenagers. Anyone who thinks that Black pre-teens commit as many homicides as Black 18 and 19 year olds is simply out of touch with reality! In the second place, the FBI tables linked to by the organization being relied upon by the Daily Kos– the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice (“Changing lives. Changing systems. Changing the future.”)– in passing along the 2% claim about Black minors, do not support the claim, even for that notably younger subset of Blacks!

    The tables, based on 2011 data, are for arrests or exceptional means of clearance, rather than for criminal indictments or convictions. They include non-negligent manslaughter, not just murders. Fine! Let us, for the sake of argument, say that this is roughly in line with the realities of both recent years and recent decades, rather than being a single year of outliers, perhaps chosen for that very reason, that such arrests or exceptional means of clearance also are reasonably robust proxies for the actual perpetrators of murders and non-negligent manslaughter, and that the racial makeup of the latter criminals are roughly similar to the former. Do the FBI tables back up the claim that Black minors commit only 2% of homicides, these days?

    Table 43 (Arrests by Race, 2011) shows 8341 total arrests for such homicides, with 4149 of those arrestees being Black, in Table 43A. It shows 650 minors arrested, of whom 351 were Black, in Table 43B. That means that 54% of minors arrested for these homicides were Black, that a minor fraction under half of all arrestees were Black, and that Black minors, alone, were 4.2% of all arrestees– more than twice the claimed rate!

  67. D. K. says:

    By the way, the FBI tables referred to, in my previous comment, demonstrate my earlier point about government racial categorizing: Hispanics are not broken out, at all, so they are included, instead, as simply White, Black, American Indian / Alaskan Native, or Asian / Pacific Islander. As I noted in a different comment thread, elsewhere on this Web site, earlier this year, during the 2007 American Community Survey, 92% of those who claimed to be Hispanic or Latino, ethnically, also identified as White, racially. Clearly, as I noted earlier, in this thread, the vast majority of Hispanic arrestees are simply recorded, by the government, as White– greatly distorting the actual demographic makeup of criminals in the United States, to the decided detriment of us non-Hispanic Whites, and the veritable Whitewashing of ethnic Hispanics, especially the mestizo majority among them.

  68. D. K. says:

    The Texas Ten-Most-Wanted List: One Black, Nine “Whites”!

    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/Texas10MostWanted/fugitives.aspx

  69. Truth says:

    of whom 351 were Black, in Table 43B. That means that 54% of minors arrested for these homicides were Black, that a minor fraction under half of all arrestees were Black, and that Black minors, alone, were 4.2% of all arrestees– more than twice the claimed rate!

    Well, thanks for putting the effort in, My friend. Don’t have the time, or interest to do counter-research right now, so we’ll go with it. What I get from this is that 351 murders were caused by black teenagers this year. Murder, from what I’ve read somewhere else, is about %90 intraracial. We’ll DOUBLE the number of black on white homicides %80 just for the sake of argument:

    That would lead one to conclusion that lately, black teenagers killed approximately 70 white people during this given year. So every white person killed by a black teenager (liberally) could fit inside a freshman lecture hall at a small private university…and have a chair for his backpack.

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  70. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    Okay, you are not interested in the murder rates of different demographic groups, per se, after all; you only are interested in knowing who is killing whom. “Who? Whom?” That is very “modern,” “liberal” and ” progressive” thinking, on your part– just like that of the bald-faced liars at The Daily Kos and the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice.

    Still, it is rather odd to act as if people should be concerned only about killings by those under 18 years of age!?! Those arrestees 18 and over, according to that very same set of FBI tables, comprise 92.2% of the total, with 91.5% of Black arrestees being 18 or over, as well.

    A rational person, whether Black or White, might want to make a permanent mental note of just which demographic factors contribute to an increased risk of someone’s becoming a violent criminal, and then limit one’s own risk of becoming a victim of violent crime, by avoiding, as much and as often as possible, the demographic types most likely to victimize him or her.

    Regardless, another issue remains to be resolved: Are you simply too stupid to understand the difference between the age categories of “minors” (those under 18 years of age) and “teenagers” (those older than 12, yet younger than 20); or, do you continue to use statistics about the former group to make false statements about the latter group because you are as intellectually dishonest as your friends at The Daily Kos– to whom you were the one to link (inappropriately, as it turned out), above– and the aforementioned Center, which concocted the “only 2%” lie, in the first place?

  71. @Ted Plank

    That wider audience who want immigration restriction is not receptive to the message of libertarianism in general. They don’t want a Ron Paul who’d close the border – they want an Elizabeth Warren who’d close the border.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    he wasn’t arab. nice way to confuse 1 billion of humanity. clown.

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