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This translates to a homicide rate of 7.4/100,000 homicide rate using the US population of 332M as the denominator.

I wrote about the history of the Russian homicide rates here. This is how the centennial comparison now looks like between Russia and the US after the latter’s embrace of #BLM and community policing.

US at 7.4/100k in 2020 would already be quite ahead of Russia, which was at 4.7/100k in the same year.

It’s quite possible that this year or next year the differential will be 2x over in Russia’s favor since US homicide rates appear to be still rising (if at a slower pace) while the number of homicides continues falling in Russia (-3.8% in Jan-May 2021 y/y).

Not that this is yet anything to write home about for Russia. After all, “demographically normed”, Russia’s homicide rates remain well above American ones. (As always, this is largely a function of middle-aged alcoholics knifing each other during their drinking bouts, as opposed to the “street criminality” that distinguishes African-American homicides). Nonetheless, these caveats aside, it now performs much better than the US so far as the raw per capita numbers are concerned, and vastly better than during the 1990s-2000s period, when late Soviet era “alcoholization” had reached its peak concurrently with the breakdown of law and order.

 
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  2. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this “middle age alcoholic knife wielder” demographic – isn’t it pretty strongly skewed towards towns in the ethnic republics/oblasts/whatever to the north and east, too? Komi, Nenets, Khanty-Mansy and then the rest of Siberia, so to speak.

    I seem to recall that one city in Tuva or so was named the murder hotspot (per inhabitant) half a year ago.

  3. Sh1pman says:
    @Anonymous lurker

    Yes, Tuva is a murder central with homicide rates higher than in Mexico and Brazil. 20x more murders per capita than in Moscow.

    • Replies: @Aedib
    , @Svevlad
    , @JimDandy
  4. @Anonymous lurker

    Yes, homicide rates go up as you go North/East (i.e. areas of greater Finno-Ugric admixture) and into non-Russian/non-Muslim ethnic minority areas.

  5. @Anonymous lurker

    Out of date, still informative.

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  6. Aedib says:
    @Sh1pman

    Something related to Mongol ferocity?

    • Replies: @melanf
  7. Svevlad says:
    @Sh1pman

    Tuvans do a lot of blood feuding or something, reminiscent of the Montenegrins and Albanians of yore

    As a foreigner you’re not really threatened

  8. melanf says:
    @Aedib

    Something related to Mongol ferocity?

    Tuvans are not Mongols, they are a Turkic language group

    • Replies: @Anonymous lurker
  9. kzn says:

    As for “demographically normed”……. Moscow, SP, Kazan and Ekaterinburg must have much lower murder rates than any American city or comparable region.

    With the fallout from the 90s, the point of the age demographic most often committing murders intercepting with kids born during the very low birth rates of the 90s in Russia has not been reached just now. When it does, the much lower homicide rate in Russia compared to America will be further realised

    • Replies: @AlexanderGrozny
  10. AltanBakshi on Tuvans.

    Very informative!

    In 1991, when the Soviet Union fell, there were numerous violent attacks against ethnic Russians in Tuva. 168 Russians were killed, and tens of thousands moved away. One can even claim, that there was an ethnic cleansing of Russians in some Rayons of Tuva. My grandfather has a friend, a Buryatian man, with a Tuvan wife and three children, who run away with his family from Tuva in 1991, fearing for his safety, because he and his family was harassed multiple times.

    Violent nature of Tuvans is a common stereotype among Buryats and Khalkhas(main tribal group of Mongols in Rep. of Mongolia). Still they are culturally just Turkic speaking Mongols, they really dont have any affinity with Muslim Turks(and absolutely as much common with Anatolians as French speaking Cameroonian has with native inhabitant of Bretagne), and they themselves know this, and I have Tuvan acquaintances, so I can speak from experience. Their religion, songs, dress, history are more closely intertwined with Mongols than Scots are with English.

    Anyway Tuva was for a longtime a distant periphery of Qing Empire and Mongolia, so they have had very little civilising influence of Russia, unlike Buryats and Kalmuks.

    https://www.unz.com/?s=Tuvan&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=AltanBakshi

    • Thanks: UNIT472, Rahan
  11. @melanf

    Well, they certainly don’t look like Turks at least, but distinctly Asian/Mongolic, language aside.

    Anyway, are there any statisics on raw alcohol consumption by region to compare regional murder rates with? The reason I ask is that it’s well known that there is an obvious baseline correlation, but if they stand out even considering that, the other contributing factors would be interesting to delve into.

    • Replies: @SIMP simp
  12. UNIT472 says:

    I think the murder problem in the US is going to get a lot worse. Its hard for people to understand just how feral the negro underclass has become. The chances of being arrested and imprisoned for killing someone in our urban ‘free fire’ zones is becoming negligible though the risk of being targeted by the victims friends and family is not.

    Yes, it would be nice if we could reduce the availability of handguns to the underclass but there is no practical way to do this. What’s a suburban gun shop owner to do. Put a sign over his entrance “NO NEGROES ALLOWED’. The American hoodrat may not have a job, a bank account or even a drivers license but he will have a handgun. It is an essential piece of equipment for the pavement ape.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  13. Surprise, surprise…

    A wild guess: maybe that’s because Russia did not have “largely peaceful protests” that left mass looting, widespread arson, and quite a few assaults and murders in their wake?

    A further non-PC thought: maybe enforcing the law and not having BLM and Antifa bandits on the loose is the right thing to do?

  14. Murica winning. Chart go up!

  15. I occasionally check out the list of journalist murders in Russia. The Wikipedia page stopped in 2018 – anyone knows if it’s because there were no more murders, or because it’s just no longer updated? In 2015 there were no murders at all, and the 2010s in general had maybe one murder per year, but then for example 2018 saw several cases. I haven’t looked at it since 2018, so I’m just wondering if there really were no journalist murders since 2018.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia?wprov=sfti1

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  16. @kzn

    That isn’t the case in Russia though. Around 1/3 of murder victims are over 55 with the age of perpetrators being rather similar.

    The idea that younger people commit more murders has never been true in Russia.

    • Replies: @kzn
  17. Alfa158 says:

    A lot of surprises in that graph.
    It’s somewhat surprising seeing how high the murder rate was during the Soviet era. From the outside you had the impression of the CCCP being a tightly locked down authoritarian surveillance state that would have also cracked down on common criminals and therefore would be safer than it was.
    Also how high the murder rate was in Finland in the first half of the 20th century. Not the image we have today of the Finns.
    England has been surprisingly low in murders on a consistent basis. The increasing crackdown on guns and the influx of third world immigrants have hardly budged the rate in either direction. Although, perhaps the coinciding of those two trends may simply mean that they mutually cancelled out their opposite effect on murder rates.

  18. Svevlad says:
    @UNIT472

    Simple. Arm them to the teeth while polarizing their communities even more.

    The survivors will either be worthy of participation in civilization, or mopped up.

    • Replies: @UNIT472
  19. @Anonymous lurker

    Anecdotally, we had a Eurasian Studies professor who shared his tragic story studying the Ket language in their tiny village in Siberia. Basically, being forcibly settled during the Stalin-era, they regressed from the hard, but healthy (when not dying) existence of nomads to American native-reservation tier life, where they drank heavily. Not having any tolerance for alcohol OR social disagreements (a life of forest nomadizing means disagreements between non-family members are settled by never, ever seeing each other again in the trackless Taiga) they frequently murder and beat the shit out of each other. Still, a nice people when sober.

    While interviewing one of the few speakers of the language (a girl who escaped the round ups and lived with her Aunt and Uncle in the forest), a vicious thrashing and cursing came upon the door, and he was worried they were going to be killed. Later on, it turned out one of the villagers was just drunk, and really wanted to show him and the crew his little house.

  20. Huzzah for Russia! It’s a long road, but maybe one day we will even see the era of prosperity that sees the arable (and commercial business friendly) regions of Siberia and the Far East being further settled, like in the early 1900s. I suppose Russia is still resettling the West in some aspects though…

    Hopefully when America goes sufficiently deep into the flames, we will improve as well. Our manifested suffering really has only just begun.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  21. No-brainer observation: America is repeating 90s Russia where a spike in vice and crime follows social collapse (in America the collapse is still partial and unfolding, like where Russia was in 1991)

    Debate to what extent this is true and what can be anticipated.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  22. @Alfa158

    Re Finns, it’s been the same there. People in their 40’s or 50’s (sometimes older), on a Friday or Saturday night, hammered on hard liquor. Something triggers some verbal back and forth, the bickering eventually gets so loud that it drowns out the accordion tango music and suddenly there’s a hatchet or a puukko stuck in the wrong place.

    They’ve improved since for sure, but it still occurs.

  23. @Alfa158

    The late Soviet homicide rate increase was due to mass alcoholization. The streets were safe enough, but there were plenty of degenerates going on days long binges (zapoi) and killing each other over perceived slights. Developments in Finland were analogously linked with alcoholization, with the exception that their alcoholization peaked during the 1970s and went into steep reverse afterwards whereas Russia only reversed after the 1990s.

    In the bigger picture, what we have in the USSR is a 75 years worth postponement of the “civilizing” process that brought down homicide rates from ~5/100k to ~1/100k in countries like Finland as well as Italy or Japan. Back in the early 20C, Russia’s homicide rates were similar to theirs, the gap only appeared during the Soviet period. I wrote about this in my original post on this topic.

    • Replies: @4Dchessmaster
    , @AP
    , @Dmitry
  24. UNIT472 says:
    @Svevlad

    Americans are already armed to the teeth. That, in and of itself, doesn’t make for a high murder rate. Whites don’t commit many murders and when they do it is for the usual reasons. Schemes to kill a spouse for financial gain, jealousy and the occasional madman running amok. Murder is considered abhorrent and police can and do track down whites who commit the crime.

    OTOH negro society has degenerated to the point where killing an enemy has become normalized and is, in some cases, required if one wants to have any status amongst your peers. Many negroes have no other way to get money without engaging in armed robbery as they are unemployable owing to having no skills, a low IQ and an aversion to work.

  25. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Blinky Bill

    Moscow is now choke-full of surveillance cameras and babushkas are no longer sitting on their traditional benches by the buildings’ entrances. At least not in my childhood neighborhood.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  26. For comparison, Singapore’s rate is 1/10th that of England’s.

    From Little Things Big Things Grow.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  27. @Blinky Bill

    I watched this video, and cannot stop playing sad music on the smallest violin in the world.

    • LOL: Blinky Bill
  28. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Boomthorkell

    I have read at the Pryannikov’s Blog that the “extended 90ies ” cost RusFed a million people murdered. It might become similar per capita during the American Westerstroika. It might even be higher because in America a lot of people own guns which was not the case in post-Perestroika RusFed.

  29. @UNIT472

    Russians are only “white” in terms of skin and hair colour. In terms of intellectual capacity, life expectancy, crime rates and work ethic, they strongly resemble black Americans.

  30. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    I would put current American situation at around the same as Soviet 1989. The Westerstroika is just gaining momentum, we did not yet reach the breaking point. Many more people will die, it’s inevitable.

  31. When one reflects that the 2021 increase must be almost entirely the result of increased effervescence among a group making up 13% of the population, that leap is spectacular. Offhand, the decrease in policing would seem to have led to the rate of homicide among blacks doubling.

    …but those people are expensive, aren’t they? I moved from ‘diverse’ Richmond, California to a rather depressed — but all-white — logging town in Oregon.

    We do have lots of drugs, and lots of vagrants, and lots of unemployment, and very few well-paying jobs. Nevertheless, the level of serious crime is nil. Some petty theft and some bar fights, but no armed robberies, no rapes, and — okay — one homicide in the last year.

    Equally to the point, our police force — per capita — is about half the size of that required in Richmond.

    Whites are just cheaper. Plus, we work harder.

  32. @Bashibuzuk

    Pryannikov is clearly full of shit. Homicide rate peaked even in the 1990s at not much higher than 30/100k, that’s 45k annually in a 150M population, even if this rate was true for entire 1990s that would be less than half a million murders, I would not be surprised if his others claims also relied on similar stretches of the imagination.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  33. @HomosapiensPlus

    The homicide rate in some Wild West towns in 19C America was around 200/100k. What does that make the White Americans there?

    • Replies: @216
    , @Boomthorkell
    , @reiner Tor
  34. @HomosapiensPlus

    Even under debilitating communism and repression (and, nota bene – with assloads of clever people fleeing the place and later making stellar careers in eg the USA) they still managed to outperform say western Europe in most, if not all major scientific fields, and played toe-to-toe with the vastly economically and intellectually superior American powerhouse for decades.

    If the anti-Russian, anti-intellectual (and quite honestly sapiocidal) environment of the USSR still didn’t prevent them from performing these amazing feats, what does that say about Russians?

    • Replies: @HomosapiensPlus
  35. JimDandy says:
    @Sh1pman

    I was pretty shocked to see that up until ’18, Russia had a HIGHER murder rate than America. It’s still hard to believe.

  36. @UNIT472

    ‘Americans are already armed to the teeth…’

    Indeed. The level of armaments around here is almost comic…in fact, it is comic. There must be an average of two firearms per person. I’ve got three guns, my wife has two guns, Frank next door has at least one gun, Ian on the other side has a gun. So does Mark. Kim across the street had a gun…

    The local gun show looks like someone is outfitting a battalion of light infantry. You can buy a .50 caliber sniper rifle if you like. The county sheriff is required to issue you a concealed carry permit if you qualify.

    We’re set for some serious combat around here.

    Yet — in a county with about a hundred thousand people — I’m aware of one murder in the three years I’ve lived here.

  37. @HomosapiensPlus

    Russians are only “white” in terms of skin and hair colour. In terms of intellectual capacity, life expectancy, crime rates and work ethic, they strongly resemble black Americans.

    Pure BS. Only a person who never been to Russia can believe this crap. Visit any Russian store and you will find that more than half products are made in Russia. Visit any American store and find that 80-90% of products are made in China, with the rest made in South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, etc.

    It’s like the myth that Russians are not enterprising. There are numerous Russian Internet stores and one or more Russian grocery store in every US city with a population above 200,000. For comparison, there isn’t a single German, Italian, or Spanish Internet store, and the only French one closed a couple of years ago. Europeans (who have the same idea about what constitutes food as Russians, which excludes most US “food” from that category) go to Russian grocery stores. That equally applies to Western and Eastern Europeans.

    You can buy any book or movie in Russian you can think of (and many you can’t) in the US via Internet, while to get something in French or German you have to use European vendors. Thank god for Latin America: Spanish language products are available.

    • Replies: @HomosapiensPlus
  38. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Perhaps he added Chechnya ethnic cleansing of non-Vainakh populations and wars into it? He usually documents what he writes, but this time he gave no explanation to this number.

    I also find this number quite high, although among around a couple dozen of my childhood acquaintances, a couple got killed, while three more went to prison for murder (one of them died there). A normal спальный район in the Moscow north-east, 10 minutes from MKAD, not Lubertsy, Solntsevo or Ismailovo.

    I think it might have been worse in Piter, although not among the circle of people I personally know there. It was certainly much more violent and deadly in the Caucasus and Tuva and Caucasus statistics are notoriously unreliable.

  39. kzn says:
    @AlexanderGrozny

    That’s (fake?) news to me?
    I know serial killers in Russia/Ukraine are normally over 50,contract killers normally over 45……..but most murders in Russia are from neither of those types.

  40. @Bashibuzuk

    Alas…well, not exactly alas, but I think the cultural factors and environment which allowed early Americans to have such fantastic murder rates in the Mid-West, West, and South are no longer extant. Even when things get worse, I just don’t think Americans really have it in them. What we’re seeing now anyway is just Blacks losing some of the gains they had made in recent years, rather than White Americans rediscovering the fun of brawling to death.

  41. @Anatoly Karlin

    Embodiments of the frontier experience.

    I remember my Great Uncle got asked by a guy to fight in a bar in Montana, and being a hay-bailer, he just up and one-punched him to death with a blow to the head. Being he was challenged by the other guy, no charges were pressed. There was also a lot of drinking back then. A lot. It wasn’t the Alcoholic Republic for nothing. Still, it was a good age in many ways. Lot of hope and growth.

    The comparison of Russians to Africans is…I mean, logically wrong. Maybe he’s rooting for some down and out Western group and trying to compensate?

  42. Looking at the graph at the head of the post…

    Six hundred additional murders a month for fourteen months…

    Five hundred or so of those murders would be blacks murdering other blacks.

    Times fourteen…

    so ‘Black Lives Matter’ has resulted in the deaths of 7000 or so additional blacks…so far.

  43. Svevlad says:
    @UNIT472

    That’s why I when I said “them” I meant the blacks. Give them military grade weapons, even. Have them simply exterminate eachother.

  44. 60% higher rate of Steve Sailer just posting the same ‘blacks are violent’ article over and over, that’s for sure.

  45. for reference, the US had 250 million citizens in 1990, so comparatively, the murder rate would be 9.8 if America hadn’t taken in 50 million third worlders between then and now.

    the murder rate is a calculation that goes down automatically every year in America because it brings in 2 million people every year. leftists are saying that things aren’t as bad as 1990, but actually they’re pretty close if you just deduct the endless third worlders coming in.

  46. Passer by says:
    @HomosapiensPlus

    Russians are only “white” in terms of skin and hair colour. In terms of intellectual capacity, life expectancy, crime rates and work ethic, they strongly resemble black Americans.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  47. @reiner Tor

    According to the website of the CPJ (Committee to Project Journalists) 28 Russian journalists were killed during the period 2000-2020, of which 2 were post 2013 (both in 2017):

    https://cpj.org/data/killed/2020/?status=Killed&motiveConfirmed%5B%5D=Confirmed&type%5B%5D=Journalist&cc_fips%5B%5D=RS&start_year=2000&end_year=2020&group_by=location

    • Thanks: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  48. @Passer by

    Any place would look exactly like that in WWIII. But after, there would be calm. Perfect calm, like cemetery.

  49. @Anatoly Karlin

    I know my question may sound dumb, but do you think the alcoholization of Russia was caused by WW2?
    Remember that the trauma Russians and Eastern Slavs suffered was unprecedented and unparalleled because of the social and physical damage caused by Barbarossa.
    Certain memories may be repressed for years or decades before returning to the forefront of your thought process and contributing to PTSD.
    Example: My Armenian great-grandmother suppressed the memories of 1915 for years before developing an anxiety and alcohol problem in the 1930s.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  50. 22pp22 says:
    @HomosapiensPlus

    Have you ever even been there?

  51. @Anatoly Karlin

    This can’t be right. It shows chechens and caucasoids to be the most peaceful people in Russia.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @kzn
  52. @HomosapiensPlus

    Yes. We all know how blacks built tanks, supersonic jets, nuclear bombs, sent men to space and created autonomous combat drones.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  53. @4Dchessmaster

    According to mortality statistics, it began in the mid-1960s, and I think it was probably more linked to the general ennui and cynicism of late socialist culture coupled with the near impossibility of getting fired in the USSR (so no consequences to drinking on the job), vodka prices gradually declining as a share of incomes, lack of more interesting things to do for factory and kolkhoz workers, and the decline of traditional mores and religiosity.

  54. @Caspar von Everec

    Kadyrov keeps a tight lid on crime in his fiefdom. There is less of that in Dagestan and Ingushetia, so the homicide rate there is 2-3x higher.

    Many of these places are strongly depopulated, especially as concerns younger people. That’s a major relief valve. There’s also zero alcoholization problem amongst them, so they don’t have that pumping the homicide rate either. Actually many Third World type traditionalist places have pretty low crime rates, Algeria for instance is at around 1/100k, but Algerians who emigrate to France murder at more like 15/100k.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Mitleser
  55. Bill P says:
    @Alfa158

    Finnish murderousness is no surprise to Scandinavians. Everyone knows to stay away from drunk Finns with their puukos.

  56. Yevardian says:

    After all, “demographically normed”, Russia’s homicide rates remain well above American ones.

    Do you mean adjusting for age or joggers?

    • Replies: @4Dchessmaster
  57. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The streets were safe enough, but there were plenty of degenerates going on days long binges (zapoi) and killing each other over perceived slights.

    In the 90s an early 2000s zapoi was so common in Russia that society worked around it. Someone might not show up to work for 2 weeks due to binge drinking, but their job would still be waiting for them when they got back. What could you do? Zapoi. My mother in law had a secretary like this.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  58. @Caspar von Everec

    Well, yes, that was inevitable as part of the process of building flying pyramids.

  59. Anatoly/Russia is certainly entitled to some gloat-poasting on this subject, particularly as the American regime is so given to lecturing other countries condescendingly and hypocritically on so many social issues, and it has been incompetently shooting itself in the foot lately.

    Still, as every non-wokist knows, the US murder rate is mostly caused by one sub-demographic, and so you personally can mostly avoid becoming a statistic with This One Weird Trick (avoid blacks, especially young men). So you could say the “practical murder rate” in the US for the HBD-aware is less than half of the official murder rate.

    Apparently though, there is a Russian equivalent, where with a couple of weird tricks (avoid zapoi, don’t be Tuvan) you too can dodge a big chunk of the murder stats. How big a chunk though? Enough to keep zapoi-aware Russian safer than HBD-aware Americans?

    • Replies: @AP
  60. kzn says:
    @Caspar von Everec

    Only in their own ethnic republics. Outside them, plenty of violent crimes are committed by northern kavkaz.

    Excessively recklessly criminal driving by all northern kavkaz remains mostly untouched by law enforcement, both within their ethnic republics and outside of them.

  61. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Buddhist majority Tuva is by far the most violent place in Russia? Seems like an interesting place to delve more into. It might not be so cognitively deficient as Shoigu is from there.

  62. @HomosapiensPlus

    They should also be paid reparations by white Americans.

  63. @AnonfromTN

    Russia’s HIV/AIDS infection rate is higher than much of Sub-Saharan Africa. Most Russian guys beat their wives and kids, and Russia has not seen any technological innovation in the last 40 years.

    Labour productivity is lowest in Europe, and even that is skewed upwards by oil productivity.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  64. @Anatoly Karlin

    Though it was more like 2/1,000 than 200/100,000, I guess.

  65. @Anonymous lurker

    Russia’s HIV/AIDS infection rate is higher than much of Sub-Saharan Africa. Most Russian guys beat their wives and kids, and Russia has not seen any technological innovation in the last 40 years.

    Labour productivity is lowest in Europe, and even that is skewed upwards by oil productivity.

    Name me one Russian invention since 1980. At least Black Americans invented the Super soaker, Russians are too busy shooting Krokodil and beating their wives to accomplish anything with their lives.

    Go to your local grocery store and try to find one single Russian product.

  66. @HomosapiensPlus

    I’m not sure if these qualify as “inventions,” but the first operational scramjet propelled hypersonic cruise missile and the first hypersonic glide vehicle were certainly Russian creations after 1980. (Actually after 2015, though work on them started back in Soviet times, and even America bought some hypersonic scramjet technology from Russia in the 1990s, because funding was cut and it was cheaper than developing their own thing.)

    The MC-21 is probably the most developed narrow body airliner in existence, at least will be once it’s certified, though the avionics and the engines both are either Western or they are somewhat behind the cutting edge. Also probably Boeing would be able to develop a similar airliner if they didn’t have such a criminal leadership. Airbus, too, though they don’t need it yet as long as Airbus is behind them anyway.

    They might be ahead in cruise missile nuclear propulsion, though it’s not yet operational.

    I’m not sure if there’s anything else, but now please match these for Africans.

  67. @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s also because of clannish vendetta culture, where clans need to police their young and unruly adult men or else other clans will be coming after them with revenge killings. Put these people into a European society (probably including Moscow), and they will commit lots of murders, especially by the second or third generation, when the ingrained cultural norms of never committing murder get weaker due to the realization that the whites have no clans and the criminal justice system is lenient as well. (The latter condition might not apply in Moscow, but it might be incompetent and/or corrupt instead.)

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  68. Levtraro says:
    @HomosapiensPlus

    … Russia has not seen any technological innovation in the last 40 years.

    Hypersonic missiles Avangard and Kinzhal are new, and Zircon was tested sucessfully in 2020. These cannot be stopped and are more accurate thus these Russian technological breakthroughs are quite significant, at least if we want to stay alive in a war with Russia.

  69. Mitleser says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In the mid-2010s, the majority of Algerians in the Federal Republic of Germany were considered crime suspects by the German police.

    • Thanks: reiner Tor
  70. AP says:
    @Almost Missouri

    In 2019, the homicide rate in the Russian central federal region (whose population is overwhelmingly ethnic Russian) was 3.9/100,000. Ethnic Russian provinces beyond this region (Leningrad, Volgograd, etc.) have a similar rate.

    Among US states with few (< 5%) blacks:

    West Virginia: 4.4/100,000
    Colorado: 3.8/100,000 (closest to Russia)
    Oregon: 2.8/100,000
    Montana: 2.5/100,000
    Utah: 2.2/100,000
    Idaho: 2.0/100,000
    Iowa: 2.0/100,000
    Vermont: 1.8/100,000
    Maine: 1.5/100,000

    Overall, ethnic Russians are more prone to homicide than are white Americans on average, among the latter only white West Virginians are more homicide prone than are Russians. But the difference is not huge. White Americans are a lot more like Russians than they are like, say, Poles (homicide rate .73/100,000) or Swiss (homicide rate .59/100,000).

  71. @Boomthorkell

    No offense to our vodka drinking friends, there is one connection, currently top 6 ranked pound-4-pound MMA fighters are either Slavs or bn.

    https://rankingmma.com/p4p/

    MMA is pretty mentally loaded so its not like any bn street thug can get in. Steve Hsu blogged about Jon Jones (who otherwise is a POS) who learned judo from internet videos

    https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/03/jon-jones-phenom.html

    GOAT for heavyweight (arguably also for P4P) is “Last Emperor” Fedor Emelianenko. Sambo is also arguably world’s great martial arts discipline.

    In boxing there are basically no American whites left, so in recent years its only been Klitschko brothers who challenge bn supremacy in heavyweight.

    I follow a German MMA channel, and Dolph Lundgren stereotypes aside, there are actual very few German/Nordic fighters in MMA (notable exception Alex Gustafsson who almost beat Jon Jones). The amateurs in Germany appear to be almost entirely Slavs, Caucasians, and men-with-gold-chains types.

    There are these crazy 5-on-5 tag team matches in Russia, I can’t imagine them taking place anywhere else

    Part of it I think is cultural. Koreans are allegedly well overrepresented in yakuza and street fights in Japan. But there are hardly any famous Koreans in MMA.

    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
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  72. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    In boxing there are basically no American whites left, so in recent years its only been Klitschko brothers who challenge bn supremacy in heavyweight.

    What is bn supremacy ?

    BTW the world heavyweight champ is an Irish Traveller

  73. @(((They))) Live

    b stands for black

    Yes, of course I know Tyson Fury. But if you were to rank top 10 all time heavyweights, how many whites would you say? there’s Marciano, Dempsey…

    Top paid athlete in the world is Floyd Mayweather, you have to give it to him for being a chessmaster in the ring and smart enough to refuse a fight with Pacquiao at any price.

    Besides blacks, Slavs/Caucasians should rank atop in combat sports…Sambo has diverse origins, based on Altaic wrestling plus judo, jujutsu, boxing, karate. So its super well rounded. Its actually practicality was put on display on Ostfront.

    Whereas tradition Chinese martial arts is righteously fake and gay. Which results in humiliation like this

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  74. Truth says:
    @(((They))) Live

    Tyson Fury holds one of the four heavyweight boxing title belts, Anthony Joshua holds the other three.

    “Top paid athlete in the world is Floyd Mayweather, you have to give it to him for being a chessmaster in the ring and smart enough to refuse a fight with Pacquiao at any price.”

    Have I been asleep for the last 5 years?

  75. @Truth

    My bad. I meant Pacman in his prime after he rampaged through Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito. You know Floyd was scared lol…then Pacquiao started slipping since vs Shane

  76. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Murder rate was mainly high because of the gang wars, related to organized crime, as gangs have been in “wars” for control of industrial cities. This results in very elevated murder rate, as many young men are dying as soldiers, and the periods of “war” can be seen in the cemetery, as the peaceful times when power has been consolidated can be seen by the absence of such graves.

    This is also why murder numbers in Russia are usually significantly higher than officially reported numbers, as “modus operandi” of professional criminals is often including an ability to make bodies of their professional rivals disappear. These are not amateurs, and it results in a proportion of the people in such an “informal profession” disappearing without leaving much residue.

    For analogous countries, the most obvious example of recent years is the Mexico Drug War (2007-).

    Background level of murders in Russia or Mexico, will be higher than countries like Sweden, but the top of the surges on the graph to 30 murders per 100,000, are influenced by a type of informal civil wars. In this sense, it is almost like informal war victims, are being mischaracterized as murder victims, and that’s how the very high peaks are achieved.

    In Mexico, this is centred on drug cartels or monopolies, that control billion dollar informal industry of drug trafficking into the USA. In Russia, these spikes match chronologically to wars between criminal groups for control of informal economies, with some famous massacres occurring in 1991-1994 and 2000-2003/4.

    In Mexico, it matches to the Mexican Drug War, which begins in December 2006.

    In the Russian equivalent, mass graves of gangsters and their bodyguards, often all had been killed on the same day or month. This is the cause of the high “spikes” of the murder rate – sometimes a dozen young men had been killed in a single conflict with a rival gang in industrial cities that do not necessarily have the largest populations, but which would generate the largest profits.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
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  77. Dmitry says:
    @HomosapiensPlus

    The “disease endemization” of HIV in Russia over the last twenty years, is not because of the normal people – but rather a result of the incompetence of the authorities. It’s a top down failure, not a bottom up.

    This incompetence can be stated clearly: failure to follow advice and best practices for control of HIV epidemics, that had been successfully used in Western countries more than a decade earlier (e.g. needle sharing programs), and was published in the medical journals, and repeated in the academic conferences by the HIV experts.

    The same pattern has repeated now with coronavirus, where the authorities have ignored successful policies used in other countries, and followed a strange alternative reality of fake statistics, “glove regime” (at least only in surreal increasingly QR code addicted Moscow), and chronological disconnect between epidemiological situation from the policy response in many cities. Therefore in Novosibirsk opening all nightclubs when the epidemic was killing proportionally more people than New York April 2020, while six months earlier in Tagil they were spraying disinfectant on the empty benches, like it was a zombie apocalypse – at a week when there was literally 0 identified coronavirus infected people in their city.

    • Replies: @kzn
  78. Dmitry says:
    @HomosapiensPlus

    Russian invention since 1980

    It’s not related to an ahistorical essence of a nationality, but economic and political organization in a country in certain historical stage.

    Currently, many of the more successful projects are originated by entrepreneurs from Russian and other postsoviet nationalities (E.g. It’s the story of both Telegram and Whatsapp) – however, the economic/financing and political conditions for establishing those projects are in North West Europe and America, rather in the Russian Federation, or other postsoviet countries.

    This can be dependent on some quite arbitrary vicissitudes: without Gorbachev, perhaps Nintendo would have needed to negotiate with the Soviet leadership, in order to complete its acquirement of rights for Tetris. With a more competent and stable political direction and prioritization, Soviet video game consoles could have perhaps been rival to the Japanese ones. Again Tetris was almost as popular as Supermario in the early 1990s, and it had been invented by two Russian government workers in the USSR. So originality of the workers was not the problem. But the political organization, economy/financing conditions, and historical stage, was not available for 1980s in the USSR, like in Japan of the time to say it mildly, and hence despite the indication of talent, the originating entrepreneurs of Tetris could never develop a career like equivalents in Japan such as Hideo Kojima or Shigeru Miyamoto.

  79. anastasia says:

    Under Yeltsin, the Ru ssians lost all their money, their possessions. They were starving. The country was in complete chaos, thanks to Yeltsin going along with the west’s plans to rape the country, and leave it destitute. I would expect a lot of murder. Too bad they did not turn their murderous intent on that drunken sot and every western, Israeli, and Russian traitorous oligarch in Russia that Yeltsin allowed to run roughshod over those people. .

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  80. Bashibuzuk says:
    @anastasia

    Too bad they did not turn their murderous intent on that drunken sot and every western, Israeli, and Russian traitorous oligarch in Russia that Yeltsin allowed to run roughshod over those people. .

    They tried and failed in 1993.

  81. blatnoi says:
    @HomosapiensPlus

    “Go to your local grocery store and try to find one single Russian product.”

    Alenka cookies. I was there yesterday and was thinking of getting them for the lab like I did before, but this time decided to focus on ‘healthier’ options like various crackers. This is a discount grocery store in an economically depressed region of my country.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  82. @Dmitry

    Murder rate was mainly high because of the gang wars, related to organized crime, as gangs have been in “wars” for control of industrial cities. This results in very elevated murder rate, as many young men are dying as soldiers, and the periods of “war” can be seen in the cemetery, as the peaceful times when power has been consolidated can be seen by the absence of such graves.

    There was never a point in time at which these wars produced more casualties than alcohol poisoning. You can deduce this fact just the very high correlation between alcohol poisonings and murders, which you can eye ball just by comparing this chart (focusing on estimated figures) with the homicide rate chart:

    This is also why murder numbers in Russia are usually significantly higher than officially reported numbers…

    Yes, I’m aware of claims to this effect. Homicide rates aren’t adjusted upwards to include missing people in most countries that I’m aware.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  83. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    wars produced more casualties than alcohol poisoning

    Alcohol poisonings kills far more people than murders (in Russia, perhaps not in Mexico), but my post is about the superelevated murder rates in Russia not the alcohol poisoining.

    In Russia, we know that professional crime is causing peaks of the murder rate, as just by counting what was reported in the media is enough to have very strong upward effects. That is the media has reported that there were dozens of murders in some weeks, in cities of a million people or less. This is going to skyrocket your murder rates.

    Alcohol directed violence contributes to the level of murders, but random alcohol directed violence doesn’t create the extremely high numbers that are seen in Russia. Similarly, today in Russia, the cities with powerful “informal economies”, have the high murder rates. And the prisons are like barracks in terms of professional organized criminals, rather than being alcoholics recovery centres.

    For example, 2001-2002 was the highest official year of murder rate in postsoviet history proportional to population; in absolute numbers the highest year was 1994. This kind of elevated murder level in Russia was caused by activity of bandits.

    In a famous case of the 2000s, that is only “the cap of the iceberg” (in terms of being uncovered, while hundreds of missing people in the same city were never found), eight criminals could produce as many murders, than the total number of murders that happen in a country like Norway in a year. https://rg.ru/2008/08/07/priton.html

    This is not specific to Russia. For example, in this little house in middle class New York, a couple of mafia have killed and dismembered up to 200 of their rivals in the 1980s. So this small house shown at 7:00 in the video below, could create almost equivalent number of murders as the annual total of a large country like Spain (with a population of 47 million people across 500,000 square kilometres) .

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  84. Truth says:
    @Dmitry

    today in Russia, the cities with powerful “informal economies”, have the high murder rates. And the prisons are like barracks in terms of professional organized criminals, rather than being alcoholics recovery centres.

  85. @Dmitry

    For example, 2001-2002 was the highest official year of murder rate in postsoviet history proportional to population; in absolute numbers the highest year was 1994. This kind of elevated murder level in Russia was caused by activity of bandits.

    Years which happen to coincide exactly with peaks in alcohol consumption:

  86. kzn says:
    @Dmitry

    The spraying disinfectant on benches in Russia and Ukraine is a ridiculous stunt……. but saying the authorities overall approach to coronavirus wasn’t good is is ridiculous.They have done:

    1.High testing
    2.A very low deathrate in comparison to western countries
    3. Lower gdp loss in 2020 compared to EU average – despite oil price being significantly lower for much of the year.
    4.As for so-called “excess mortality” BS – this is totally deranged. It’s the easiest corruption scheme on planet to inflate coronavirus deaths, because Russian medics have got one of the most generous coronavirus pay bonus of any equivalent on the planet. A Moscow doctor will have 3x more salary from the start of the pandemic ( Normal pay + regional & federal bonus which are all near the same amount of 80k), a Kazan doctor is x2. 5. Thats the perfect incentive to inflate not “coverup” deaths. Different to other countries, we actually perform autopsies after every death. In Western countries, once the medics are vaccinated are they even bothered with recording coronavirus deaths? Probably not.

    As for this “excess” BS – highest birth rates for Russia were in the few years after 1945. Life expectancy for male in certain regions directly correlates at this exact moment with these years in the 1950s with the highest births.

  87. SIMP simp says:
    @Anonymous lurker

    Most turkish nations look like mongols because they are related groups from the same region. The turks of Turkey are turkish-speaking whites genetically related to people in the Middle East, Caucasus and South Europe.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  88. @SIMP simp

    There are some occasional East Asian faces around.

  89. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The Asian martial arts suffered from Asian ritualism and stagnation. The Germans were the first to really begin studying each move, and going “Ah, this bone breaking punch can’t produce enough force to break a bone, in fact what you’d need to do is do X at X angle…”

    Yeah, Sambo is definitely good. Any martial art that actually takes the time to take the most lethal, defensive, and effective parts from different schools will be better.

  90. @Anatoly Karlin

    bn are usually lightweights with regards to drinking, besides Hennessy they like Moscato which is like the grossest sugarist thing ever. The ghetto element’s other vices, hard drugs crack and heroin is a main driver to violent criminality.

    Whereas Chinese have actually closer taste in booze with Russians, which is the national drink, typically 100+ proof baijiu 白酒 (below video in Russian explains). But its rarely drank alone but rather accompanies gluttonous banquets, so there’s less (but still some) of a alcohol poisoning, alcoholism problem.

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