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Russia should belong to Russians, and all others dwelling on this land must respect and appreciate this people. – Alexander III.

For the first time in more than a century, the Russians have a state that they can call their own, a state run by and for the Russian people – the hallowed “Russian National State” (RNS) that has been the holy grail of Russian nationalism in the post-Soviet era. At first glance, this seems like a questionable, if not extraordinary, assertion. As I have myself pointed out in the past, Hillary Clinton’s claim in 2016 that Putin is the “godfather of extreme nationalism” is something that is only taken seriously by the political horseshoe that is neoliberalism.txt and the American Alt Right, the sole difference between them being that the former think it bad and the latter think it good, whereas in reality both of them are merely projecting their own parochial fears and fantasies onto Russia. More importantly, this would also seem strange to significant numbers of Russian nationalists, who would immediately bring up Putin’s claim that the slogan “Russia for Russians” – a sentiment that is consistently supported by half of Russians in opinion polls – is the preserve of “fools and provocateurs.”

However, it is actions, not words, that count, though I would note that even so far as words go, Putin now saves his invective for proponents of “Russia only for Russians”; although this is a strawman so far as Russian nationalism is concerned, the quietly inserted qualifier is nonetheless acknowledged and appreciated. As regards actions, the Putin administration in the first half of its third term has adopted the core Russian nationalist program nearly wholesale and embarked on its practical implementation. So broad and all-encompassing is the shift that, just as academics came to classify what happened between Putin’s rejection of Western moral supremacism in the Munich speech of 2007 to the gay propaganda law in 2013 as a “Conservative Turn” (Nicolai Petro), so I believe future historians will classify the 2018-21 period as a “Nationalist Turn.” Thus, just as the First Age of Putinism in the 2000s was marked by unideological technocracy, and its Second Age during the 2010s was defined by conservative retrenchment, so I believe that the Third Age, the 2020s, will be defined by the political ascent of ethno-aware (as distinct from ethno-nationalist) Russian nationalism.

Russians as the State-Forming People

The linchpin of the Nationalist Turn are the constitutional reforms of March 2020, which implicitly defined ethnic Russians as the “state-forming people” of the Russian Federation. This rejected the post-Soviet bureaucracy’s ingrained tendency to deny Russianness, sometimes fearing to even utter the word “russkie” (ethnic Russians) as opposed to “rossiyane” (anodyne PC term for denizens of Russia) in any context. In their worldview, the Russian Federation was a “multi-national” entity, despite some 81% of its inhabitants being ethnic Russians and almost 85%, Slavs (as nationalist critics consistently pointed out, despite only being 75% Jewish, this has never stopped Israel from unapologetically declaring itself a Jewish State). After this update to its American-written Constitution, which was imposed on it in 1993 by tank barrels, Russia has joined a panoply of other post-Communist European states – as well as some ethnic minority republics within the Russia Federation itself – that acknowledge their titular ethnicities as peoples to whom they owe a special degree of responsibility. In addition to affirming the rights of Russian compatriots abroad, Russia’s historical belief in God, and the family as a union of woman and man, the amended Constitution also alluded to the thousand-year legacy of Russian statehood, thereby asserting cultural continuity with the Russian Empire and explicitly rejecting the joint Soviet-Western “noviop” vision of the Russian Federation as just a historyless shard of the Soviet Union.

Consequently, the Constitutional amendment became the base to what has become a comprehensive embrace of the mainstream Russian nationalist program.

In April 2017, I had defined its three key principles as follows:

  1. The cessation of political prosecutions for “hate speech” under Article 282.
  2. An end to mass immigration from Central Asia.
  3. The regathering of the Russian lands, including Belorussia, North Kazakhstan, Novorossiya, and Malorossiya.

All of them have essentially been fulfilled.

In terms of personal freedoms to voice their worldviews, Russian nationalists are in an infinitely better position that they were five years ago. Back then, prosecutions under Article 282 “hate speech” laws were veering out of control, having quadrupled from 2011 to 2017. Towards the end, the cases were reaching Kafkaesque levels of absurdity: Konstantin Krylov, convicted for saying “it’s time to do away with this strange economic system” [of federal subsidies to the Caucasus]; Dmitry Bobrov, convicted for using the term the “great Russian people” (according to the judge, a graduate from the Faculty of Scientific Communism at Kazan University (sic!), this was offensive to minorities); Roman Yushkov, for quoting statistics on who subsidized who during the Soviet era. In 2015, Egor Prosvirnin, who at that time ran Russia’s largest nationalist magazine, Sputnik & Pogrom, had his apartment searched and his computer confiscated for making anti-Ukrainian statements at a time when separatists covertly supported by Russia were fighting the Ukrainian military and Neo-Nazi battalions; the magazine itself was blocked by Roskomnadzor a couple of years later. The offices of the Institute of Russian Civilization, a publishing house that specializes in reprinting historical Russian conservative texts, including publicists whom Putin has himself quoted in his speeches, were searched on suspicions of extremism. Bloggers were getting sentences for posting Nazi era posters in historical texts so that the next “Center E” operative could full his quotas. As I joked on a podcast at that time, it seemed that it wouldn’t be long before Russians started going to jail for justifying the return of Crimea.

In December 2018, seemingly out of the blue, Putin decided to decriminalize Article 282. Now, you only get a fine for a first offense, and a criminal conviction can only occur as a result of a repeat offense within a year. In practice, cases seem to have fallen to essentially zero. At this point, you would have to try really hard – marching down the street in an SS costume, throwing “Sieg Heils” level hard – to fall afoul of it, so to the extent that Article 282 remains relevant, its function is more of an IQ test to filter out the most moronic nationalists than anything else. Otherwise, for all intents and purposes, pro-nationalist/HBD speech is now as free as in the Visegrad countries – and, needless to say, more so than in either Western Europe (which remains subject to classical “hate speech” laws) or in the United States (where a bottom-up “Society 282” of banks, journalists, and Big Tech “cancels” and “deplatforms” its critics as effectively than any police state). Meanwhile, the brunt of the repressive apparatus has shifted against the pro-Western opposition and NGOs, with many of their leading figures now in jail (Alexey Navalny) or in exile (Leonid Volkov).[1]

Since late 2018, immigration policy has tilted in a much more ethno-particularist direction, privileging Russian compatriots and All-Russians (some of the proposals I had directly proposed, hence my recurring jokes about Putin reading this blog). By April 2021, this had culminated in a comprehensive immigration reform that included the expansion of repatriation programs, ruling out deportations to Ukraine, and making it easier for skilled foreigners to acquire Russian citizenship (including no longer having to give up their old citizenship). Citizens of Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, and Kazakhstan who held Russian residency permits were no longer required to live in Russia to apply for citizenship. That these policies were limited to those four countries in particular is as good refutation as any of lingering nationalist suspicions that the reforms are a covert means to instigate “population replacement” on the West European model. In comments made this June, Putin as good as confirmed this, repeating his frequently voiced opinion that Russians and Ukrainians “are one people”, while also noting that the restoration of the USSR would be undesirable in light of “the demographic processes happening in the former USSR, which could lead to the erosion of the state-forming ethnic core.” Tortured a formulation as this is, it basically translates to an acknowledgement that there are too many Central Asians for integration to be realistic, and that this is not something that would be in Russia’s interests to attempt. Putin seems to be more forthright in private conversations, reportedly telling Svetlana Gannushkina, a human rights activist helping migrants, “I agree we need migrants, but preferably well-educated Slavs of a fertile age.” In comments made on signing the law in July 2020, Putin remarked that the law is aimed at compatriots, “carriers of the Russian language and culture.”

As regards “mass” immigration from Central Asia, this was always more trope than reality. Although over 6 million citizens of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan were put on the migration roll in 2020, this translated into fewer than 100,000 new citizens from those countries (some of whom will have been ethnic Russian repatriates anyway). For perspective, Sweden issued 80,000 new citizenships in 2020, of whom Syrians constituted almost a third. Whereas Russia issued 650,000 new citizenships, a comparable number in per capita terms, the vast majority of them went to Ukrainians (410,000), Kazakhs (43,000 – of which most would have been of ethnic Russians), and Moldovans (21,000). At the end of the day, the reality is that virtually all countries – including some of the most “based” ones in the Alt Right imagination – are desperately looking for cheap labor. So long as Central Asians remain both poor and demographically vigorous, their denizens will continue going to work as taxi drivers, waitresses, and manual labor in Russia, where they do not switch to South Korea or even Poland, as is increasingly happening[2]. But as we see above, this isn’t translating into vast numbers of Central Asians acquiring Russian citizenship[3]. And the authorities seem to intend to keep it that way. It is, ironically, the photos of thousands of Muslim worshippers on the streets of “Moskvabad” beloved of /pol/ shitposters and Ukrainian svidomy that most succinctly demonstrate the point – the very reason such scenes are possible is that there are only four mosques in all of Moscow, so they naturally get extremely crowded during Islamic holidays. There are no plans to construct additional mosques, whereas thousands of new churches are constructed or renovated in Russia every year. This is not consistent with conspiracy theories that Putin wants to replace Russians with United Russia-voting Tajiks, and as if to undergird the point, even as I write this, an activist for migrant labor rights in Russia, an Uzbek citizen who has complained about “institutional racism” in the Russian police, has just been ordered deported to Uzbekistan, with a ban on re-entry until 2051. It’s always worth keeping things in perspective; so far as “diversity” and “multiculturalism” go, “core Russia” is both much less “advanced” than Western Europe, and “progressing” at a much slower pace.

The master of the Russian lands is the Russian (Great Russian, Malorossiyan, Belorussian – they are all one), and this shall be so forever. – Fyodor Dostoevsky.

As regards the third plank of Russian nationalism, the White Guardist vision of a “Russia That is Great, United, and Undivided” has become enshrined in state policy. The capstone to the Nationalist Turn was laid by Putin in his seminal July 2021 article “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“, in which affirmed that the Ukrainians are a colorful and distinct, but nonetheless inseparable, part of the All-Russian nation, drew a straight line between Ukraine as a de facto colony of Germany following Russia’s exit from World War I and its relation to the West today, repeated his long-standing view that the Bolsheviks laid a time bomb by including the right of secession in the 1924 USSR Constitution, and noted the coercive nature of “Ukrainization” as an ideological project aimed against “so-called” Great Russian chauvinism, thus securing at the state level “three separate Slavic Peoples” – the Russians, Ukrainians, and Belorussians – as opposed to the “large Russian nation, a triune people comprising Great Russians, Malorossiyans, and Belorussians.”[4]

The article ends on an affirmation that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, inextricably bound to each other, and that opinion polls suggest that this is a point on which many millions of Ukrainians agree. He furthermore notes that the Ukrainians themselves do not benefit from allowing foreigners to make an “anti-Russia” out of the Ukraine, citing the economic failures of its post-Maidan years, and never have benefited from such experiments historically. He ends the article on a warning that Ukraine’s “path of forced assimilation” towards Russians within Ukraine is “comparable in its consequences to the use of WMDs against us.”

These are no longer empty words, but the culmination of a 180 degree shift on official Russian positions on Ukraine over the past few years. Following the “Russian Spring” of 2014, which saw the return of Crimea and the Donbass Rebellion, the kremlins evidently became scared of the thymotic energies they had unleashed, and ordered their propagandists to pipe things down. While they talked of “clever plans” and “multi-move chess combinations” to “shove back” the Donbass into Ukraine, the leaders of the Donbass resistance were getting regularly assassinated, and it was never even clear whether it was the Ukrainian SBU or the Russian GRU behind them. Discussions amongst Russian nationalists centered around the seeming inevitability of “Putinsliv”, i.e. abandonment of the Donbass. The “Russian Spring” was washed out of the discourse, and replace by the fake and absurd “Crimean Spring.” But just when the prospects for Russian irredentism seemed bleakest, there was a reversal. LDNR documents were recognized in 2017, and in 2018, Russian began a mass passportization program to give out citizenships to residents of the long-suffering Donbass. The region is now de facto integrated into Russia, with Russian as the official language, the ruble as the official currency, and Sputnik V as the official vaccine (while Ukraine has flatly rejected it). Russian cell phone operators are working in the LDNR, easing residents’ access to Russian e-government services, and the state has recently committed to raising state worker salaries and pensions to that of neighboring Rostov oblast by 2024.

This integration has made a reversal of Russian policy on Donbass increasingly unrealistic from a political perspective. As such, when it looked like the Ukraine was preparing a military offensive against the Donbass this spring, Russia moved tens of thousands of troops to its borders to “dissuade” the Zelensky regime from attempting an Operation Storm to reconquer the Donbass.

On their part, the LDNR have one upped up even developments within the Russian Federation, explicitly declaring themselves “Russian nation-states” in a foundational document called the Doctrine of the Russian Donbass:

Russia is the only historical state of the Russian nation. Its mission was and is to politically unite this nation. Any separation of certain parts of the Russian nation from Russia, any political formations that include Russians and are not Russia are exclusively temporary.

It was presented at a plenary meeting of Donbass activists and Russian nationalists in Donetsk. The Russian nationalist philosopher Egor Kholmogorov, best known for developing the concept of “Atomic Orthodoxy” and coining the term “The Russian Spring”, had a direct hand in drafting it. But what is perhaps even more notable about that meeting is that it was attended by RT’s chief editor Margarita Simonyan, where she demanded that “Russia take back Donbass”. It seems unlikely that she would randomly turn up to such an event without sanction from above, and it is also curious that immediately afterwards Kholmogorov got a top slot at RT Russian on YouTube. Meanwhile, a subset of Russian nationalists – many of whom had spent years seething about Simonyan’s Armenian heritage – were protesting in Moscow against the imprisonment of Alexey Navalny, who has never hidden his contempt for Russian nationalists who oppose the Maidanists. As such, she ended up acting more like a Russian nationalist than some Russian nationalists.

Several years ago, pro-Russian dissidents from Ukraine were getting deported back into the loving clutches of Maidanist “justice” with depressing regularity. This has since been halted by a directive from Putin. Meanwhile, United Russia – the party of power – is now openly cooperating with the Union of Donbass Veterans, with its chief secretary even going so far as to proclaim that their core objective – securing the Russian World, the Russian language, and the Russian genetic code – coincide. Alexander Borodai, a former PM of the DNR, has won election to the Russian Duma from the United Russia list, upon which he immediately called for the destruction of Ukraine. Again, the three main demands of Russian nationalism – all of them openly, unapologetically embraced, in word and deed, and not just by Putin himself, but by Russian officialdom at large.

Tired of winning yet? We haven’t even gotten started.

 

Statue of Alexander Solzhenitsyn in Taganskaya, Moscow.

The Rise of the Russian National State

Already in 1990 I wrote that Russia could desire the union of only the three Slavic republics [Russia, Ukraine, Belarus] and Kazakhstan, while all the other republics should be let go. It would be desirable if [a resulting Russian Union] could be formed into a unitary state, not into a fragile, artificial confederation with a huge supra-national bureaucracy.Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

Russia today is a country where “White Revivalism” is all around us. There are monuments being built to Tsarist era statesmen, to the heroes of World War I, and to the White Resistance. In a competition over the naming of Murmansk Airport, victory went to Nicholas II, the founder of the city, over Ivan Papanin, a Soviet polar explorer who committed atrocities while serving the Bolsheviks during the Civil War. In December 2018, Putin unveiled a monument to Alexander Solzhenitsyn in Moscow. It is within close walking distance of the Museum of the Russian Diaspora, which catalogs the crimes of the Bolsheviks against Russians, their sentiments towards Russians in their own words, their expulsions of its leading intellectuals in the philosophers’ ships, and the achievements of Russian émigrés like Igor Sikorsky abroad.

Russia today is a country where Russian nationalists can go to Russian nationalist bookshops to drink coffee, debate various topics, and listen to lectures ranging from the literacy campaigns of late Tsarist Russia to modern dysgenics (courtesy of yours truly) without fear of Antifa breaking the place up. In Russia today, the police fabricate cases against Antifa, not in service of them, as in the West. Corporate associations with nationalism are not unhandshakeworthy, as they are in the US, so Russian nationalists can come dressed in LevelSuit‘s [yes, this is a blatant plug] modern adaptations of traditional Russian costumes. Every year, Moscow sponsors a historical festival called Times and Epochs, in which recreationists come in to show off their wares and costumes. Many cities host similar events. Russia today is a larpers’ paradise in the best sense of the word.

Russia today is a country where the schools teach children that Lenin was a German agent, before having them march off with toy guns and sing, “We are Russians – God is with us!”[5] School textbooks describe the annexation of Crimea as an expression of “moral responsibility” in statecraft. Whereas in 2008, Russian high school textbooks on Social Science were discussing gay marriage and pondering the transitory nature of “national values”, in 2020 they flatly declared that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that the “Russian soul” is anchored in the conversion to Christianity a millennium ago. Liberals and Communists can only seethe in the comments threads.

Russia today is a country where cyber-brigades of angry, aggressive, and high T young men from the so-called “Male State” troll and harass companies that feel obligated to engage in Woke virtue signaling gestures like propping LGBT “families” and subliminal messaging encouraging Russian women to miscegenate with Black men (a decidedly strange fetish to push in a country that is <0.05% Black) into disavowing and apologizing for their misteps. It isn’t always successful, but the police tend to be uninterested in prosecuting them. With rightoid cyber-vigilantes and SJWs preoccupied with each other, and the government intermittently helping out by prosecuting the most unstable characters from the former while declaring the latter’s organizations “foreign agents“, normal people are free to go about their lives in peace while Woke tyranny is kept at bay.

The Transfiguration Cathedral of Tver, 2019.

Russia today is a country where churches, manor houses, and other sites of historical significance are being restored and renovated throughout the land after the Bolsheviks dynamited them in the 1930s. It is happening in Tver. It is happening in Bryansk. It is happening in my home town of Volokolamsk. It is happening in the outskirt of Moscow where I live. It is happening everywhere where you care to look. Meanwhile, in Western Europe, ancient churches are being turned into pubs and mosques.

Russia today is a country where nationalist-in-all-but-name governors have been able to govern and implement de facto nationalist programs, such as Igor Rudeny in Tver oblast, who drove out illegal Tajik laborers from his province and instituted a Ministry of Demographic and Family Policy in 2019. It is an interesting Ministry, and has very interesting competitions, including one for the best “Family Farmstead”, conducted over VK and somewhat redolent, at least in its aesthetic aspects, of the “Fitter Family” contests in the America of yore. The Transfiguration Cathedral of Tver, a late 17C construction (though older churches had stood here back to 1285) dynamited by the Soviets in 1935, was finished this year against a background of liberal-Communist protests. Meanwhile, new fast rail connections have cut travel times from Moscow and ushered in gentrification. (Voters have recently rewarded him with 53% of the vote for this, which is 17% percentage points above United Russia’s performance in the region). Now the catch is, Rudeny himself – a devout Orthodox believer with five children – would probably never call himself a nationalist, and would stridently deny being one if asked. But given his demonstrated policies, does it actually matter?

The Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces.

Russia today is a country that has erected a veritable Fortress-Monastery of the Imperium of Man, a Neo-Byzantine monolith constructed from melted down German weaponry and dimensioned to arcane numerology (e.g. a 19.45 meter diameter main dome), surrounded by brass urns containing the remains of soldiers from the “brothers’ graves” of World War II and a monument to the Mother of the Victor within whose primordial and vaguely but not vulgarly vaginal aperture burns an eternal flame, the air around it suffused with eternal choral chants from loudspeakers, the mosaics within uniting Russia’s champions across the ages from the Varangians to the heroes of Donbass with the Saints and Christ.

The central apse of the Cathedral of the Armed Forces.

The central apse features a metallic relief dedicated to the Resurrection of Christ, the God-Emperor of the Russians, irradiating into the infinite blue, star-studded heavens. I am told that the 3D effect was created by the application of techniques used in Buddhist stupas. Run directly by the Ministry of Defense, and at least as much of a war shrine as it is specifically Christian, it can in some ways be considered the apotheosis of the Victory Cult that has become Russia’s real ideology and religion under Putinism. First conceived a decade ago, millions of Russians now mark Victory Day by marching through the streets with photos of their ancestors who fought in Russia’s wars, constituting “Immortal Regiments” binding past generations to present and future ones.

Has the Victory Cult gone into overdrive? Perhaps. I used to think so. Then again, just a couple of years after I wrote that, Americans decided to make a religion out of a criminal who OD’ed on fentanyl. At that point, I decided to never counter-signal the Victory Cult again.

Russia today is a country where I can wake to loudspeakers playing Soviet-themed music calling me on to vote in the elections, in which even I in my humble suburban Moscow district can choose between a commie QT endorsed by Navalny, an IRL soyak who promises to dismantle the Putler dictatorship, a mulatto Green who supports Donbass and claims he is not a fascist and insists he is a racist instead, and a United Russia candidate who speaks darkly of a people who “sprang up in the Pale of Settlement with Nagants in 1917 and destroyed our churches… and who are now working in respectable places like radio stations and legislative assemblies and continuing that work.” Where else can you get such a wide variety of diverse and powerful electoral choices? Sure, there is extensive fraud in these elections, but I couldn’t care less. Having voted from my cell phone app – Russian governance and bureaucratic procedures are thoroughly digitized these days – I can then go down to the gym and a bowl of pho at my local food mall, owned by an Armenian businessman (who else?) and opened a few months ago in a ceremony that included a performance from the Moscow Cossack Choir.

Russian nationalists in Moscow in January 2020, including the late Konstantin Krylov, deliberating on proposals for the Constitutional amendment. The results were handed over to Bogdan Bezpalko, the chairman of the NGO “Russian Ukrainians” and a member of the Presidential working group on Constitutional reform. Two months later, contra pessimistic expectations, most of their proposals – including the key ones – found their way into it.

Russia today is a country where the adoption of the nationalist platform by the powers that be has been so thorough and comprehensive, that the nationalist movement as such has self-annihilated. There is nothing bad about this. Ultimately, the aim of any nationalist movement is for the “national idea” to become so “normalized” within society, across all ideological lines – centrist, conservative, liberal, Communist – that its original champions either reintegrate into mainstream society, becoming normies, “vatniks”, and spiritual boomers who just want to grill, or become confined to marginal subcultures of political freaks and larping svidomists.

In my assessment, this is exactly what happened in Russia over the past few years. In the streets, the “Russian March”, a yearly event that once drew 10,000-20,000 oppositionist nationalists, splintered apart after the Ukrainian crisis and has now dwindled to zero. Its last remaining participants are a motley crew of pro-Ukrainian “national democrats” and White Nationalists, universally despised as turncoats by mainstream Russian nationalists, as Nazis by Communists, and as moskals by Ukrainians who don’t return their naive affections; only the non-systemic opposition recognize them as potentially useful cannon fodder. Otherwise, skinheads are dead as a class in Russia – as one of the many toxic remnants of the 1990s, they are now either reformed, or literally dead, fighting in the Azov Battalion, or providing muscle for the next State Department-sponsored color revolution in the post-Soviet space. In electoral politics, the LDPR’s share of the vote has cratered, now that United Russia has adopted most of their platform while the KPRF has swung hardcore populist on coronavirus vaccines. As regards individual personalities, many formerly opposition-leaning Russian nationalists, such as Egor Prosvirnin and the Russian Democrats, now range from neutral to regime loyalists. Meanwhile, those who remain in the opposition, such as Roman Yuneman and Obschestvo.Buduschee, are arguably making themselves look rather foolish by going out into the streets on behalf of Communists endorsed by Navalny’s point man, alleged sexual harasser, and Lithuanian resident Leonid Volkov (who had, during a prior election, insinuated that they were Sieg Heiling fascists and effectively handed over victory in their district to the United Russia candidate by sidelining them and endorsing an uncompetitive Communist candidate instead). Then there are, of course, the wingnuts – the Galkovsky drones who believe that the Russian Federation is a “crypto-colony” ruled by the British aristocracy, or that Putin is an Ingrian separatist, a Jew who serves ZOG, and/or a crypto-globalist who answers to the WEF, Klaus Schwab, and their Great Reset agenda. Powerful as these disparate takes doubtless are, their promoters are marginals now and always have been, only “widely known in narrow circles” as the Russian expression goes.

There’s also the National Bolsheviks, who are cool. Like Limonov (RIP). The successors of the smenovekhovtsy. But these days, their schtick is more art performance than real opposition politics.

At this point, my rejoinder to nationalists who claim that the “Resource Federation” is a scam ran for the benefit of its “multi-national” elites is: Do you ever actually get out?

 

The Third Age of Putinism and its Discontents

As Bismarck noted, politics is about the art of the possible – not ideal, abstract fantasies. So far as possible alternatives to Putin are concerned, Zyuganov missed his train in 1996. Zhirinovsky’s potential was always capped, and his platform was poached by United Russia. While there are some promising nationalist politicians on the horizon, such as Roman Yuneman, he has no name recognition outside Moscow. As such, the only even minimally credible challenger to Putin or his nominated successor is Alexey Navalny. I will note from the outset that this is extremely unlikely to happen, at least so long as Putin retains his current approval ratings of ~65% while Navalny’s remain in the doldrums, as in the polls so too in the streets.

In one of the most curious “horseshoes” of international politics, there was a curious convergence of views amongst Kremlin propagandists and Western leftists that Navalny is a hardcore ethno-nationalist (a theme that RT in particular has pressed on its Anglophone audience). The main evidence in support of this come down to Navalny’s expulsion from Yabloko for his nationalist views and racist comparison of Gastarbeiters to cockroaches in a video from 2007 (!), as well as his past participation in the Russian Marches, where one of his “contributions” involved getting the organizers to drop the slogan “Russia for Russians” (i.e., less nationalist than the ~50% of Russians who agree with that). For their part, Navalny’s Western supporters seek to downplay or deny a history for which any American public figure would get “canceled.”

Curiously, the one side that never gets asked for its opinions – if not unsurprisingly, given their total absence from “handshakeworthy” discourse in the Anglosphere – are actual Russian nationalists. And their opinions are quite unambiguous:

In a 2017 poll amongst members of a discussion group for readers of the erstwhile Sputnik & Pogrom, a sample that leans very much anti-Putin, found that precisely zero out of 86 of them considered Navalny a Russian nationalist. Opinion was split between him being being a “potential or former” Russian nationalist (49%), a “multi-national liberal Westernist” (43%), or a “Ukrainian nationalist” (8%).

Ever since 2014, Navalny has progressively distanced himself from Russian nationalism in line with the growth of his international status. The sharpest divergence, of course, concerned Navalny’s opposition to the annexation of the Crimea and Russian support for the Donbass. Having spent years complaining about how Russia was “feeding the Caucasus”, in a post on March 12, 2014 he raised the specter of the Crimean Referendum being subsequently used as a template in Chechnya – hardly a major concern for Russian ethno-nationalists who would be quietly happy to see such an outcome. Meanwhile, just six days later, Putin issued his seminal Crimean Speech, in which he called Crimea a Russian land, Sevastopol – a Russian city, and the Russian people – the “largest divided people in the world.” Although Russian nationalists would subsequently have cause for disappointment in the coming years with Putin’s rollup of the Novorossiya project, it was Navalny who would discredit himself amongst them entirely through his subsequent calls for sanctions against Russia in the international press, promises to carry out a second referendum in Crimea, and his commitment to halting Russian military support for the LDNR and handing over border control to the Ukrainians.

Even taking the Ukrainian Question aside, Navalny’s commitment to any part of the nationalist program was always questionable. Navalny’s complaint was instrumental in the arrest of Tesak in 2007 and his first prison sentence on Article 282, which raises questions over his freedom of speech bona fides. He criticized Putin as a “right-wing reactionary” who is “trying to create a new monarchy”, and came out against the renaming of Murmansk Airport after Nicholas II, the Tsar who founded that city in 1916. As discussed above, his “Smart Vote” opted to support an uncompetitive Communist over Roman Yuneman in the 2019 Moscow Duma elections, with the result that the mandate went to the United Russia candidate. Even so far as cultural coordinates are concerned, where Putin most often quotes classical Russian writers and conservative Russian philosophers, Navalny topped off his appeals process this February by referencing Rick and Morty, and comparing Putin to… Lord Voldemort.

What’s more, even though Navalny retains some lingering links to his nationalist past, his followers tend to be far more radical. When he wished his flock a “Happy Easter” on Twitter, he was inundated by triggered Internet atheist autists. When he expressed condolences on the death of nationalist intellectual Konstantin Krylov, he was subjected to a torrent of abuse from his SJW followers screeching “good riddance”. Although Navalny himself came out against Twitter banning Trump, on account that such a “precedent” would be “exploited by the enemies of freedom of speech around the world”, many of his close allies in the opposition, such as Lyubov Sobol, Maxim Kats, and Vladimir Milov, rushed to “explain” or disavow him before shocked #Resistance Americans who couldn’t possibly understand why any decent anti-Putinist could possibly stick up for the Bad Orange Man, no matter how hedged with caveats.

Although Navalny continues to support cognitively elitist immigration policies along the lines of Canada’s points system – ideas that have in any case been substantially adopted in official policy – many of his supporters are militant “anti-racists” and “Open Borders” blank slatists. One of his most visible allies in Moscow is Alyona Popova, a telegenic but intellectually unremarkable blonde who failed to win a seat in the recent Duma elections. She made her name Tweeting out international comparative statistics that boiled down to Russia being poorer than Germany and the United States, observations that were as banal as they were eagerly lapped up by her pro-Western followers. As a supporter of “increasing human capital” through immigration – the foundation she heads is literally called “Human Capital” – I once asked her what her position is on Central Asian immigration, bearing in mind the region’s unimpressive average IQ scores. She responded that Central Asia is afflicted with hunger, that its IQ scores will even out given “normal conditions”, and that she is opposed to “eugenics and similar theories.” Good job on knocking down that strawman! Meanwhile, a Russian semiconductor company has just poached dozens of Taiwanese engineers to modernize their processes, even as Navalny’s lieutenants fantasize about using undiscovered Central Asian geniuses to build their “Beautiful Russia of the Feature”.

At the end of the day, making a few throwaway racist comments more than a decade doesn’t qualify you as a nationalist. The best way to understand Navalny is that he’s someone who just really, really wants to become Russia’s President, and is open to alliances of convenience with various factions from Communists to nationalists to that end, while hanging on to his core supporters, pro-Western liberals, and above all, the “international community”. Neither are exactly interested in promoting Russian national interests, at least to the extent that they contradict the American-dominated world order. Likewise, for precisely this reason, the partisans of this order are quite correct to support Navalny and to stress, like Masha Gessen has done, Navalny’s “evolution” beyond nationalism. This is not only factually correct, but also politically logical. If Navalny does overthrow the regime, he can always be subsequently sidelined or “canceled” should his lingering aversion to Wokeness become a pressing problem.[6]

 

Front-Running the Zoomers

Egor Kholmogorov, a consistent if long-suffering loyalist, has said that Putin once told him in a private conversation, “You know, Egor, I am a Russian nationalist too.” Take it for what it’s worth. Putin is a spy, and his job involves telling people things they like to hear. He has also claimed, if clearly in jest, to be the world’s only true democrat, and has compared Communism to Christianity. Christianity advises us to trust not in the kings of this world.

Even so, looking back, I get the impression that Putin’s repetition of the Russian nationalist narrative – that Lenin laid a time bomb in the foundations of Soviet statehood; that Russians are the world’s largest divided nation; that Russians, Ukrainians, and Belorussians are one people (according to reports that now seem entirely credible, he told George W. Bush that the Ukraine was not a real country, and that much of its territory was “given away” by Russia back in 2008) – has been too sustained and too enthusiastic over the years to be explainable through disciplined pretense. This is a man who has “donated” a part of his official salary to a monument to Stolypin, who has taken a personal interest in the return of Denikin’s remains to Russia, who presides over the unveiling of monuments to Stalinist repressions[7]. The Canadian academic Paul Robinson, poring through the archives of Putin’s speeches, discovered that the political philosopher whom he cites most is the White émigré Ivan Ilyin. In a series of articles written in the late 1940s to early 1950s posthumously collated in a book called Our Tasks (1956), he correctly predicted that the collapse of Communism would be accompanied by moral dissolution and an orgy of looting by the nomenklatura elites. In Ilyin’s view, the optimal vehicle to navigate this rocky transition would be a strong, unitary state dedicated to restoring a sense of “legal consciousness” within, while engaging in the cold-nosed pursuit of Russian national interests without. So impressed was Putin with Ilyin’s works that he reportedly assigned them as required reading for state officials, as well as other materials by national-conservative thinkers like Nikolay Berdyaev and Vladimir Solovyov. Even before the Nationalist Turn, the policies pursued under the Putin administration – reigning in the oligarchs, “managed democracy”, the rollback of federalism, expansion of jury trials – were all consistent with that vision.

However, even leaving questions of internal conviction aside, a “Nationalist Turn” made increasingly self-evident political sense in the late 2010s. As I have often pointed out, opinion polls since at least the 2018 elections have registered an increasing tilt towards not just greater liberalism, but also greater nationalism amongst Russian youth. However, the dominant political trends around the mid to late 2010s, characterized by increasingly stultifying conservatism coupled with the persecution of nationalism, did not seem to have bright prospects. Hence, my intermittent predictions during that period that the return of competitive politics to Russia would sooner result in a “a right-wing populist in the mold of Orban or Netanyahu” than a handshakeworthy #ReadAnotherBook candidate. Conversely, any halfway conceivable Russian color revolution would, as in the Ukraine in 2014 or Serbia in 2000, involve an “overarching alliance between liberals and nationalists.”

Putin’s genius, or at any rate that of his advisors, was to front run this by adopting the nationalist program. Essentially, the Putin people decided that they were not going to let a future Orban win. They were going to Orbanize themselves.

Could there be a “zrada”, or betrayal, in store for nationalists? There’s no sure things in politics. Nonetheless, this policy has to date been a resounding success. Many nationalists have drifted back to the regime from both Navalny and the LDPR, while a significant proportion of the rest have been forced to acknowledged that they ultimately prioritize their pet causes – liberal democracy, Ukrainian nationalism, globalist White Nationalism, petty hipster racism – over the interests of the Russian nation (and have marginalized themselves in so doing). The Navalnyists have been forced into an uneasy alliance of convenience with the Communists. The Communists, from their Orthodox Stalinophilia and pro-Donbass sentiments to their populist stance on coronavirus vaccines, do not make for comfy partners. Meanwhile, the liberal movement has itself become fragmented between Navalnyist anti-regime maximalists, Yabloko “purists” who wish to remain unsullied by associating with anti-liberal forces be they Right or Left, and the “New People” who want to focus on moderate, non-confrontational economic liberalism. Consequently, even though the recent elections were as marred with fraud as any during Putin’s rule, and his own approval ratings at ~65% are similar to what they were a decade ago, there are scant prospects for a repeat of the Bolotnaya protests in 2011.

 

Radical Centrism: Rejecting the SJW-Rightoid Horseshoe

Could there, conversely, be “too much” nationalism? Again, if there is one defining thing about Putin’s statecraft, it is that it is a cautious, incremental, two-steps-forwrds one-step-back affair. For instance, much has already been written about the “Conservative Turn” that preceded the Nationalist Turn. But what did it really involve so far as domestic policy went? A law on “gay propaganda” whose equivalent in the United Kingdom was only abolished in 2003. The construction of many churches, whose main aesthetic impact has been to beautify post-industrial shitholes, but no cardinal increase in church attendance. Restrictions on gambling, alcohol sales, and hardcore sex on TV that merely brought Russia into line with “civilized world” standards relative to the Russia of mundane public drinking and ubiquitous “one legged bandits” (slot machines) of the 1990s. Abortion has been brought down from extremely high levels to more “normal” levels. At the same time, the Putinist brand of conservatism is intelligent enough not to engage in culture wars that would alienate the younger generations on issues such as abortion bans, as conservatives in Poland and Texas have recently seen it fit to do (even in the case of Down’s Syndrome babies). Attitudes towards homosexuality aside, Russia today is not a particularly “conservative” society. Young Russians are about as religious as young Poles (i.e. rather secular), and every Thursday, Russian thots grace the world with their goods under the #нюдсочетверг hashtag on Twitter.

Fundamentally, it is the basic observation that the Putin regime has embraced mainstream nationalism, such as respect for its traditional heritage and commitments to Russian compatriots abroad, while rejecting rightoid obsessions masquerading as nationalism, that makes me so whitepilled about its sustainability and future prospects.

Contra both Western propaganda and Alt Right fantasies, the fact that Russia hasn’t embraced the religion of endless lockdowns and double masking doesn’t mean it is some kind of obscurantist anti-vaxxer shithole. Sputnik V is one of the world’s most effective coronavirus vaccines and has been universally available since mid-2021; although vaccine skepticism in Russia is unfortunately high, it is worth stressing that it is Putin supporters who are most likely to get vaccinated, while Communists are the most “vaccine-hesitant” (extra tragic given the high median age of their voters). The Russian Orthodox Church, while rejecting vaccine mandates, has condemned the spreading of false information and conspiracy theories about vaccines as a sin. Marginal Internet weirdos who rant about microchips and the Mark of the Beast while larping as Russophiles/Orthodox do not speak for Russians, the ROC, or Russian nationalists.

Since their peak in the late 2000s, violent hate crimes have plummeted to practically zero. While it is unclear what concrete benefit the boorish thugs inspired by Tesak and the like ever brought the Russian people, they probably were responsible for the runaway prosecutions of Russian nationalists and pro-Russian activists during the early to mid-2010s. The extinction of this 14/88 skinhead culture, which is itself ultimately a Western import, is an unalloyed good. As Putin has recently clarified, his main problem is with “Russia only for Russians”, which is not something that any mainstream Russian nationalist would disagree with. Their complaints were that Russians, as well as other minorities like Bashkirs, were having to learn Tatar just because they lived within the Soviet-drawn borders of Tatarstan. When these regulations were abolished a couple of years ago, freeing non-Tatar schoolchildren from having to waste hundreds of hours learning a language with zero global significance, that did not impinge on the rights of Tatars to develop their national culture[8].

The “Male State”, an Internet subculture of Telegram vigilantes inspired by imported MRA and MGTOW ideas, is largely left alone by the authorities as a useful cudgel against Woke Capital, while individual harassers who take the memes about “thot patrols” unironically are prosecuted, with its founder now reportedly living in exile in Poland (where, ironically, he would be surrounded by “multicultural” ads for The Witcher Netflix series). Although Russians reject toxic Western “gender ideology”, this does not mean that basement-dwelling misogynists get to have any influence in the country that that was the world’s first to implement equity feminism and which has the world’s highest percentage of female business leaders.

Alexander Dugin, the “gray cardinal of the Kremlin” in Western propaganda, was fired from the Sociology Department of Moscow State University in 2014 following his deranged calls to exterminate Ukrainians, rhetoric that is fundamentally antithetical to Russian nationalism and its love for Ukrainians as an inseparable part of the All-Russian ethnos (not that Dugin ever identified as a Russian nationalist). He remains free to rant about how “transhumanism is transgenderism” and his plans to construct “the most awful ghettoes for surfers” (surfing being the “ultimate expression of anti-Eurasianism”) on his blogs and video channels and Alex Jones appearances, where he probably has a bigger audience than amongst actual Russians. Happily, Warhammer 40K larpers – seriously, his brand of Eurasianism adopted the Eight-Pointed Star of Chaos as its emblem – do not get to define state policy.

So what we see here is that even as it has adopted most of its core demands, the Russian authorities have sidelined all these fringe, cringe people who have attached themselves like leeches to Russian nationalism (or been attached to it by foreigners and liberal journalists). This is a very good thing. “Powerful” as their takes might intermittently be, associating with them is a sure path to failure.

 

How Russian futurists in 1914 envisaged Moscow in the 23rd century.

The Future of the Russian National State

Nationalism, in my opinion, is so natural, that it will never, under any political order, be wished away by the “internationalists”… – Dmitry Mendeleev.

Russia had a catastrophic 20th century. The 500 million people that Mendeleev was projecting for the Russian Empire by 2000 fell two thirds short: Half of the gap accounted for by the cumulative democides of Lenin, Stalin and Hitler; the other half a result of the fragmentation of the Russian World thanks to the Constitutional time bomb laid by the Bolsheviks in the foundations of Soviet statehood. The demographic catastrophe was accentuated by an economic one. The Soviet Union by the 1970s was a vast expanse of unproductive rustbelts, unable to compete with the capitalist world and kept afloat by an oil windfall that would peter out by the late 1980s. The distortions of central planning postponed Russia’s ultimate convergence with the developed world – a near inevitability in the long run, considering its First World tier human capital – for more than half a century.

Although Mendeleev’s projections were tragically severed by the discontinuity of 1917, the one silver lining is that, a century on, the Russian political leadership seems to have at least taken his imprecations against internationalism to heart. As Putin wrote in his recent Ukraine article, the Bolsheviks exploited “the Russian people as inexhaustible material for their social experiments”. Today, their successors within Russia – sometimes direct biological ones – desire to revive the project. They want Russians to reduce their living standards in the name of containing climate change, even though Russia stands to benefit from global warming more than any country as the cities built up by the Soviets in the Far North become economically viable for the first time in history. They want to replace the Great Russian chauvinism of yore with “white privilege” as the new bogeyman, to lay the groundwork for Russia to accept millions of “doctors and engineers” from a Sub-Saharan Africa whose population is expected to quadruple this century. They want Russians to “atone” for Soviet crimes by serving as cannon fodder in the West’s ongoing provocations against China, which have now escalated to “Black Legend” levels with allegations of “Uyghur Genocide.”

But to the mutual chagrin of pro-Western liberals and rightoid ideologues, Putin has decided that Russia will not again be a tool for foreign interests and globalist ideologies. Russia will pursue its own internal development, safe and secure under its nuclear shield (“Atomic Orthodoxy”), repairing the extreme damage to its demographic and economic potential inflicted upon it during the past century. Despite the stabilization of the demographic freefall of the 1990s-2000s, Russia will not not have the population and economic heft to set the global agenda this century in a way that the United States, China, and potentially India will be able to. However, even discounting the possibility of a restoration of the “Russian World” (integration with Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan) that may yet push up Russia’s population by another 30%, Russia’s current population of 150 million people enjoying upper-middle incomes constitute sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space), space program, and what is – to the plaudits of biohackers and the despair of Western neo-Lysenkoists – a remarkably open stance on human genetic editing for an ostensibly “conservative” country.

So far as I am concerned, Putin has in the past three years built the perfect state, superior to both the Western and Chinese models. It is a Russian national state, one that is at least the equal of any other in Eastern Europe, and more sustainable by dint of its geopolitical sovereignty, its double-headed eagle at once looking to the Tsarist past and its Cosmist future.

I hope you enjoyed reading my blog, Vladimir Vladimirovich![9]

 

 

Acknowledgements: Although I mostly came to these conclusions of my own accord over the past few years, I want to specifically acknowledge Vile Varangian (probably the earliest champion of “Putinist nationalism”), Kholmogorov translator Fluctuarius Argenteus (used to be @CalmEuropean on Twitter), the blogger acer120, @shanggyangg, and several other Russian nationalists on Twitter, blogs, and IRL who had begun to think along broadly similar lines on this issue.


[1] I allow that this is on account of Putin, whose sympathies have long leaned Tsarist, observing too many uncanny parallels, from the Bolshevik-dominated “soviets” of 1917 and the Anti-Corruption Foundation’s network of regional HQs down to Navalny coming back to Russia from Germany in a sealed airplane. Be that as it may, a political choice has been made to lean on Russian nationalism in the struggle against the pro-Western liberal opposition. Most Russian nationalists have no problem with this – after all, it was that same crowd who were instrumental in drafting anti-nationalist legislation like Article 282 in the first place, so it’s not like they owe them any favors.

Moreover, I would add that as an enthusiastic supporter of Assange’s imprisonment, it’s not like Leonid Volkov has any genuine concern for human rights beyond their weaponization in service of American interests. Sadly, this applies to many Russian liberals, whose distinguishing feature is not so much their supposed “liberalism” as their conflation of liberalism with kneejerk adulation of the West and hatred for their own country.

[2] Poland’s only real distinguishing feature from Russia in this respect is that it is located next to impoverished Ukraine, as opposed to Muslim Central Asia. Furthermore, I would note that hardline attempts to shut down these labor flows may even end up backfiring, as in the case of Germany, whose Turkish minority only became entrenched after the Gastarbeiter program was curtailed in 1973 and the threat of not being allowed back in incentivized foreign workers to stay put.

[3] Although it is likely that a “Little Dushanbe” will develop in Moscow over the next generation, it is not as if even a one million strong Tajik diaspora – a people that would be considered Whites under American racial classifications – would drastically change the ethno-racial demographics in a country of 150 million people that remains 85-90% Slavic in its capital and basically as homogenous as Poland within the Russian heartlands.

[4] Putin even recounts the story of Carpathian Ruthenia, which was shoved into the UkSSR in 1945 against its own wishes to either join the RSFSR, or as its own independent republic.

[5] OK, this is certainly not typical of schools. But it does illustrate the expanding Overton Window on this topic.

[6] There are already examples of this, e.g. libertarian former economic advisor to Putin turned anti-Putin oppositionist in exile Andrey Illarionov, who was fired after 15 years of loyal service at the CATO Institute for endorsing the conspiracy theories that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump.

[7] One thing that can never be stressed sufficiently is that Putin is not a Stalinist. The very idea that a regime which repatriates the remains of White generals and puts up plaques to Mannerheim can be Stalinist is absurd. As I have argued, the resurgence of Stalinophilia is an entirely grassroots phenomenon, one that largely arose as a nativist reaction against liberal dominance over Russia’s historical discourse during the 2000s. Neither faction are interested in history as such. In what is yet another funny horseshoe of politics, the Russian liberals of that period pushed Viktor Suvorov’s conspiracy theories that the Nazi invasion was a preemptive strike against the USSR and fantasized about how Russians would be drinking Bavarian beer in the event of its success (positions now largely adopted by Western Alt Righters). For their part, their Stalinist opponents invented an alternative “imagined past” in which Stalin championed social justice and recreated a Russian Empire (in which the victorious Russians, whom he toasted in 1945, were starved as late as 1947-48 to free up grain exports to support Communist regimes in the countries that they had ostensibly “defeated”). But given that modern Russian Stalinism has zilch to do with “really existing” Communism and boils down to non-oppositionist fantasies about a Russian Führer, it is understandable why the Russian government hasn’t deemed it worthwhile to expend political capital on suppressing it.

[8] Ethnic minorities within Russia do not disagree with this assessment, with opinion polls suggesting that the vast majority of them do not feel discriminated against. These are all problems that only exist in the fevered imaginations of liberal journalists.

[9] Me in 2019: “However, Putin still needs to formally disavow his prior comments that people who believe that “Russia is for Russians” (i.e. ~50% of the Russian population) are idiots or provocateurs before I will be ready to acknowledge him as PUTLER.

Putin in 2021: “Caveman nationalism, whose slogan “Russia only for Russians”, harms Russians, harms Russia, and enables its destabilization from within. And we must not allow this. Of course, we must ensure that the culture of each nation, its history, the origins of each nation are honored, developed and respected in our country.

 
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  2. Aedib says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

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    Sorry about the off-topic, but you should make a separated tread about the gas-starvation in Europe and the hysterical screaming of Eurocrats toward evil Russian “sitting over our gas”.

  3. Passer by says:
    @Aedib

    Second that, i have been mentioning this from some time.

    The gas crisis and the energy crunch in Europe. A comodity cupercycle has started due to wild money printing as well.

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    Russia is right now in the strongest position vis a vis Europe since 1989. And in very strong position across the world as an energy superpower. Russian energy stocks are going through the roof.

    See also China’s recent power outages.

    • Agree: Aedib
  4. Congratulations on confirming that Putin reads your blog.

    • Agree: mal
    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Derer
  5. Mitleser says:
    @Aedib

    Another reason to loath Eurocrats and not that off-topic, considering one of the reasons for that is Gazprom prioritizing Russian natural gas for Russians instead of supplying it to hostile Euros.

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    Gazprom PJSC needs to store nearly as much natural gas at home to keep Russians warm this winter as it currently ships to its top customer Western Europe every day, Bloomberg calculations show.

    The Russian gas giant has just two months to build its depleted inventories to the record levels it’s targeting, a goal the Energy Minister Nikolay Shulginov expects Gazprom to meet. That will require pumping into underground storages sites in Russia supplies equal to about 80% of daily exports to Western Europe.

    “To reach that goal, Gazprom has to prioritize discretionary supply away from Europe,” said Tomas Marzec-Manser, lead European gas analyst at ICIS.“While challenging, I’m sure it will be met.”

    Russia is Europe’s biggest supplier, but in itself a big consumer of gas. The country aims to have a record 72.6 billion cubic meters in domestic inventories by Nov. 1, almost doubled the levels at the end of June, according to Bloomberg calculations using data from Gazprom, which only releases inventory levels sporadically.

    Achieving that target will require Russia to store about 280 million cubic meters a day, or roughly 80% of daily exports to Western Europe. Daily gas injections into storage in Russia this year are probably higher than historical averages by some 80 million cubic meters a day, Marzec-Manser said.

    Gazprom’s output is near 10-year highs, but domestic needs also surged thanks to abnormally cold temperatures in some regions during the past winter and heat waves this summer. Exports to consumers including China and Turkey also increased 19% in the first eight months of the year.

    “It makes logical sense for Gazprom to fill up domestic storage and then once complete flow more gas into Europe given the premium,” said Nick Campbell, a director at Inspired Energy.

    https://archive.vn/2s39H#selection-4611.0-4611.183

  6. kzn says:

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    LMAO – another great piss-take and victory for Russian-world ( Russian-world not ethno-russian world)

    A Ukrainian coach has won a game in a big competition ….. only thing is that it is as coach of
    Sheriff Tiraspol ( Pridnestroviye). They have been the best team in Moldovan football for many years, but at the beginning of this month they defeated Shakhtar Donetsk in the European Cup – a huge result in comedy value and political and cultural context.

    At the minute they are drawing in Madrid against Real

    Successful football teams (roughly) follow indicators like financial prosperity and importance of a region – this follows that trend

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  7. Tom67 says:

    There are some home truths about Russia and her standing in the world that will decide things in the long run and they don´t look good for Russia:

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    1. Birth rate and the Russian Army
    Russia is a country of single children (ethnic Russians are) and todays recruits are softies most comfortable playing video games. Better than their European counterparts but no match for people from the Caucasus or Central Asians. All the nice and shiny gear is no more usable in a confrontation in the Caucasus as the American gear was in Afghanistan. When Putin is gone the only link between Russia and Chechnya (which is independent in all but name) will be gone as well. And where Chechnya goes the Caucasus goes as well. Good by to Russian domination in the Caucasus
    2. Siberia and China.
    The Chinese are playing Russia like a flute. They are subverting and buying Siberia. That is why the people in Siberia voted for the Communists. But the jig is up. The Chinese are slyly supporting Moscows dream of grandeur and thereby slowly but surely gaining control over what they believe is rightfully theirs.
    3. Central Asia
    Russia can no more function without the modern slaves from Central Asia than the US can function without the cheap labour from Latin America. Both processes are irreversible and Russia is already to much like the West to change direction.
    Like it or not: the thought of Russia as some sort of Eurasian entity is nothing but an illusion. In reality it is a part of Europe. Just like the white people in the States. And their time is up. Just like Israels time is up. It will take a while to sink in but being better than the US and Europe (for the moment at least) is just hiding the fact that Russia is in reality losing out against her Asian neighbours.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter, Proximaking
    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
  8. Passer by says:

    Another good point that was recently made by Yuri Podolyaka on Russian Energy Policy: it rejects the green hysteria of the West and resolutely develops nuclear technologies.

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    His point is: every several hundred years, some massive volcano blows up, causing a global cooling. What happens if in the next 100 years a big volcano blows up? A total reversal of the whole global warming energy paradigm.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter

    Nuclear, oil, coal and gas can become very needed at the blink of an eye.

    Thus, Russia resolutely develops all types of energy technologies and solutions, and it does not put all of its eggs in one basket.

  9. “superior to both the Western and Chinese models.”

    If this comment is going to stand it will be necessary for the country to improve its consumer industry. The last leader in Moscow whom I’m aware of that took this as a serious was Khrushchev. His call that “we will bury you” was not a threat of nuclear war but meant as a vow that the USSR get to work on developing a consumer industry that would be able to out-compete the West. That notion was retired by Brezhnev and consumer industry was allowed to slide into a more dilapidated state that Khrushchev had seen. There were indications that Andropov had some intent of trying to move things, but he kicked off after 2 years and Chernenko came in for less than 6 months. His passing away so quickly looked so absurd that it helped Gorbachev and Yeltsin in their drive to simply open everything up to Western penetration. While it must be said that Putin has proven to be better than Yeltsin all around, he has still to a large extent relied upon oil prices the way that Brezhnev. Maybe something more is in the works that an outsider like myself can’t read from the tea leaves, but if Putin is going to be claiming an enduring triumph over Western and Chinese models then at some point he will have to address the issue of improving the Russian manufacture of consumer goods. Only then will the general euphoria which many Russians still have for the Soviet era start to fade away proper.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  10. Mr. Hack says:

    Sorry Anatoly, it’s way too late in the game to make Ukrainians out to be as just a sub-set of the Russian nation. Guys like you have been trying to do so for quite a few centuries now, and you still haven’t succeeded. What makes you think that you’ll succeed now? Putler and his new revised history? 🙂

    But even if it were possible, what’s really in in for Ukrainians and Ukraine? Self immolation or suicide? Drastic steps to take in order to latch on to the rising Muscovite star. After all, as you so poignantly point out, the calling card includes:

    securing the Russian World, the Russian language, and the Russian genetic code

    All Ukraine really needs from Russia is for it to stop trying to breathe down its neck with brutish landgrabs.

    • Disagree: Decoy
    • LOL: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    , @IR
  11. Mitleser says:
    @Patrick McNally

    You mean something like this?

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
  12. Thanks for these always interesting and informative posts.

    I would have liked Anatoly to address more the post-Putin future, which is inevitable. Can the current direction of the country be sustained without the mastermind? I am skeptical about the usefulness of education reforms and public architecture to make long-term improvements.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  13. “Russia today is a country where cyber-brigades of angry, aggressive, and high T young men from the so-called “Male State” troll and harass companies that feel obligated to engage in Woke virtue signaling gestures like propping LGBT “families” and subliminal messaging encouraging Russian women to miscegenate with Black men “

    I hope you’re not saying that like it’s a bad thing. The trolling and harassing of the “woke” companies, that is.

    AK: I think trolling Wokeism promoting companies is great, but I condemn harassment of individuals. I tried to make that clear.

    • Agree: 36 ulster, Irish Savant
  14. The transformation of the absolutely horrid Russian Federation military of the 1990s into a once more respectable institution is a thing to behold

    Russians are really lucky, or perhaps something more then that…

  15. I can feel the aura of historical justice that permeates this essay, even as a foreigner (albeit one who has been fascinated by Russia since childhood and an avid follower of Russian affairs since the Donbass war). Truly there is no other nation which has suffered so cruelly and been beaten down and robbed of its destiny more than Russia. In age of decline and strife, it is not only encouraging, but inspiring that a country can undergo such a radical turnaround.

    The millions of lives that were lost and millions more that were denied existence, denied a future, now find vindication in the modern transformation and restoration of Russia. All the loss, the pain, the blood spilled, and the decades of suffering now has purpose. It was all for this future. To give the coming generations a chance to exist and to carry their nation towards its destiny. The melancholy image of exiled heroes like Denikin returned home calls to mind that all those who sacrificed for Russia — known greats and innumerable unnamed others — can now rest easy, celebrated, remembered, and vindicated.

    If Russia stays on the path that Putin has set out for his country, I think it likely that he will go down as one of the great men of Russian history, an unlikely and imperfect man but ultimately one that saved his country and gave it back its future.

    Plus, with 150m people of high human capital and a solid chance to increase that to ~200m, Russia might yet be a light to human civilisation this century. With so much of the world degenerating and increasingly in chaos, few other countries will be able to boast similar human capital resources united behind a competent state with a vision. And if the birthrate issue is improved, perhaps Russia might one day get a ‘Russian century’ after all.

    I will also add that Karlin continues to be by far the best authority on Russia on the internet. Ever since Reading Russia Right all the way back in 2008 he has been an exemplar of the field and deserves serious credit for bringing the reality of Russia to the English-speaking world. Whenever he conjures an effortpost in some caffeine-fueled 3am dark ritual from his lair in Barad-Russkie, it is consistently some of the finest analysis around and always hits the right mark between humour, opinion, and data-driven analysis. With credentials like this, it is no wonder that Putin reads his blog.

    And as someone who has been invested in the developing story of the Russian nation since a young age, following it during ups and downs, it is truly rewarding to see it develop so positively. Like watching a friend from a bad background and with a history of issues finally grow up, get a good job, get married, and live to his potential.

    Thanks Anatoly!

    • Agree: BlackFlag, Adept, Decoy
    • Thanks: sher singh, Anatoly Karlin, Robjil
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @Brostoevsky
    , @Johan
  16. sher singh says:

    Russia today is a country where there is still no Great Bifurcation post||

    Good post, Russia seems like a nice mix of West-East, Openness & Technical Competency||
    Not sure if the religious or weapons laws are in my favour, but eh||

    Cops robbing migrants seems ghey, but Moscow looks nice, winter wonderlandy kind of way||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  17. So, what exactly is wrong with Russia being for the Russians? Pray tell, Clit-b**ch?

    Everybody should have a place they call their own. I’ve got no problem with that.

  18. @Patrick McNally

    If the world outside Russia was to vanish, here is a list of things I would miss and might struggle to find a replacement for in Russia:

    * Garbage disposal units (US)
    * Tabasco sauce (US)
    * Noise canceling earphones (US)
    * Coffee machine (Germany)

    Yeps, I think that’s about it. Ostrich eggs and maple syrup? “Exotic” as these are in Europe, we have them.

    I suppose I’ll also have to wait another decade to run Cyberpunk 2077 at max settings.

  19. Che Guava says:

    Do you know the film Kin Dza Dza?

    I would guess so.

    On a monochrome TV screen in the background of one scene, IIRC, also very briefly near the start, it is the definition of turbo-folk. Also, looslely copied by the Flying Lizards of Britain. Although they would have been working from the record, not the film.

    I have been listening to much of turbo-folk from Balkans, both from Yugo times and war time.

    Russia dearly needs a turbo-folk revival, or a neo-turbo-folk wave.

    • Replies: @ebear
  20. Excellent article.

    A minor correction – Article 28 (anti gay propaganda law) in England was repealed in 2003, not 1993.

    Saying “All of them have essentially been fulfilled” with regard to regathering Russians lands seems to be very premature when civilians in Donbass are being shelled fairly regularly. Perhaps the objective has been accepted at the highest levels, but achieving it a long way off.

    Also, tolerating MGTOW in Russia doesn’t seem like a good idea. It is anti family, and in the West is a (mostly unhelpful) reaction to divorce laws and political feminism. How relevant is that in Russia? IMHO it is another western mind virus to be avoided.

  21. AP says:

    A great post. Some minor corrections:

    the Bolsheviks laid a time bomb by including the right of secession in the 1924 USSR Constitution, and noted the coercive nature of “Ukrainization” as an ideological project aimed against “so-called” Great Russian chauvinism

    Putin was wrong. In 1917 Ukraine was no Belarus; it is a silly fantasy that if not for the Bolsheviks, Little Russian/Ukrainians would have been Bavarians to Great Russians’ Prussians. Ukrainian nationalist parties won the 1917 elections on Ukrainian lands; “Ukrainization” was not coercive – its suppression under Stalin in the 1930s was. Bolsheviks didn’t create the Ukrainian project, they had to use it and then tried to destroy it, but failed.

    Thus this was already a nationally svidomy population, prior to Bolshevik rule. At best (for Russia), Ukraine would have become a Catalonia. It was never going to be a Bavaria, much less another Russian region like the Urals or the Don. And now, of course, it is never going to be a Catalonia either. The Russian parts are gone, the remaining parts (85% of the post-Soviet country) are developing on their own. In February about 6% of Ukrainians wanted the two countries to unite, 89% opposed:

    The 1917 election results:

    [MORE]

    http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pagesALAll6RussianConstituentAssembly.htm

    In Ukraine the elections to the Russian assembly took place on 10–12 December 1917 in eight districts.

    In Ukraine the 7,580,000 votes cast were divided in the following way: the national groups (non-Russian parties) won 61.5 percent (among them the Ukrainian SRs won 45.3 percent); the Russian SRs, 24.8 percent; the Bolsheviks, 10 percent; and the Kadets, 3.7 percent. Of the 120 deputies elected in Ukraine, 71 were Ukrainian SRs, 2 were Ukrainian Social Democrats, 4 were from the national minorities (1 Pole, 2 Jews, 1 Moslem), 30 were Russian SRs, 11 were Bolsheviks, 1 was a Kadet, and 1 was from the Union of Landowners.

    In six districts where the bloc of Ukrainian socialist parties (SRs, the Peasant Association, and Social Democrats) presented a single list of candidates, it won a clear majority of the votes: 77 percent in Kyiv gubernia, 71 percent in Volhynia, 60 percent in Chernihiv gubernia, 60 percent in Poltava gubernia, 52 percent in Katerynoslav gubernia, and 33 percent in Tavriia gubernia.*

    In Kharkiv gubernia and Kherson gubernia the Ukrainian and the Russian SRs ran together; therefore the Ukrainian SRs received only 12 percent of the votes in the former and 25 percent in the latter gubernia.

    *Half of Tavriia was Crimea. The other half, not Crimea, had a Ukrainian nationalist victory.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  22. @jimmyriddle

    Thanks for correction. I don’t think Donbass was handled optimally – but unlike in the late 2010s, it seems like there’s finally a light at the end of the tunnel.

    I certainly agree with what you saw on MGTOW/etc. and I hope that came across. I view it as the reaction and flip side to gender feminism. Happily, it’s not getting much traction, and to the extent it is, much of it is getting channeled against local adepts of Wokeism. Ideally, these two factions will expend their rage on each other, freeing normal people to enjoy their lives undisturbed.

    • Replies: @Anon
  23. Mikhail says: • Website

    Perhaps Tucker Carlson will do something really cutting edge like a feature on Russia, along the lines of what he’s done with Hungary and Poland.

    Rand has discovered reality:

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2021/09/28/what-motivates-russian-military-intervention/#comment-42136

    • Replies: @USA1943
    , @Dan Hayes
  24. mal says:

    Good effortpoast. I have been bullish on Russia for a while now, Putin is one of the more competent leaders in the world today. He will likely go down in history as “that guy who saved Russia”.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
  25. I’m sold. The Russian state, as perceived through this article, seems to have gotten things broadly right. Russian people enjoy a high degree of tolerance, freedom and security, and I can’t see what the government could do to increase these further, given how these concepts often contradict in our imperfect world. Mainstream nationalism for a mainstream nation-state is a good answer. Who would have thought it?

    Great article Anatoly! Can we have a guide for the nationalistically-minded traveller one day? Perhaps not focussing on the stuff that everyone knows about from history and so on, but things like that Cathedral, which seems glorious. It would be distinct and useful from what we can read elsewhere.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @mal
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  26. mal says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Karlin does have a travel guide somewhere, and if you never been to Russia, I highly recommend visiting once the whole pandemic thing dies down.

    I went back home last year for the first time in 20 years, and it was quite a culture shock. In a good way lol.

  27. Dreadilk says:

    Great post. I particularly liked the way the cathedral was covered and Tver governor. This would make any nationalist around the world jealous.

    Urge to repatriate intensifies.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @AP
  28. The old AK is coming back from his transhumanist torpor.

  29. Bashibuzuk says:

    Reading this was a great entertainment.

    I spent some half an hour bursting with laughter.

    It made me think of the famous lines about “clowns and perderasts”.

    BTW, it looks like Pelevin also reads your blog:

    https://en.newizv.ru/news/culture/07-09-2021/transhumanism-inc-pelevin-s-fantasies-sparkled-with-the-colors-of-the-good-state

    😉

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  30. AP says:
    @Dreadilk

    Unless you are in a field like medicine or related with a huge pay difference, or are well into your career, you should. I would. Russian real estate is still cheap relative to American so your house can be traced for a very nice place.

  31. kzn says:

    FFS with this ridiculous and dumb anti-USSR agenda (the greatest state in the history of civilisation) by Karlin.

    [MORE]

    Putin has NEVER unilaterally condemned the USSR or its existence you dimwit. Many, many times he has promoted the collective nature of russian people that is part of our national consciousness …. and he has compared this very favourably against the unappealing and filthy individualism that is all through American culture. You can’t, and he certainly isn’t separating Sovietism from this collective nature of russian people, because its during this period it was most successful in everyday living and of course in victory over the Nazis.

    There is very simple tactic that works well for us – name the oblast after the Communist hero the city was named after, rename the city of that same oblast with its original Tsarist name that the Communists changed. Do that, STFU, stop with the PMT slander, respect and honour the incredible legacy of tsarist and Communist Russian world….. this policy works well for modern Russia.

    Why does Karlin not attack the (British and German funded and intelligence-led) Finnish faggots who did the most evil war crimes in history against communists/russians in their civil war?
    Or the British swine who betrayed the Tsar by not giving him refugee status ( though perfectly loving to whore their Royal family with all the best Russian imperial family jewellery and art) which then lead to his and the family execution? In exile, Tsar safe, much less people die in civil war

    It’s laughable cretinism of people like AK, who instead of accepting the obvious that evil, sadist, western-funded German Nazi scum are the biggest cause of demographic loss of Russia…… moronically blame Sovietism for it!

    As for the Mendeleev, 500 million population prediction. You would need to know how many people he is thinking in his mathematical model should be living now in the far north, far east and harshest-climate parts of Siberia. If you can get upto as big as 400 million the population of Russia/empire from the Urals to the western russia border, all the South of Russia, kavkaz region and all of central asia – you would still need 100 million in the 3 regions I mentioned before – an insane impossibility. Soviets undeniably did more to build up infrastucture and population of these places in Siberia, Far east and far north that Tsar would have done,but getting the population to 100M or the 147M that all of Russia is now is clearly impossibly with no similar example in any part of the world

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  32. Mr. Hack says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    I was hoping that something like this would wake you from your slumber. Glad to see you’re still among the living. 🙂

    It would add some needed balance and charm to hear what you were bursting with laughter about (don’t keep it all to yourself)?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  33. Denver says:

    He furthermore notes that the Ukrainians themselves do not benefit from allowing foreigners to make an “anti-Russia” out of the Ukraine, citing the economic failures of its post-Maidan years, and never have benefited from such experiments historically.

    Back in 2014, when there was panic all over the Western Russophile blogosphere, and inside Russia itself, over alleged Nazis taking over Ukraine, I – and other observers – wrote that in reality, Ukrainian nationalists are useful idiots, merely serving as cannon fodder for Western globalists, and that they will not inherit the country. Indeed, long-term, even their Slavic descendants will be second-class citizens if the West prevails in the country.

    By long-term, I mean that if Ukraine were to give up Crimea and recapture the rebel republics, join NATO and the EU, in less than 100 years its major cities would be peopled by racial aliens and Ukrainian themselves would be oppressed by a well-funded apparatus including NGOs, its lawyers corps, a hostile media environment, and government – the latter merely a reflection of its funding sources, the media environment, and aggressive NGO tactics. Brainwashed Ukrainians who become militant ‘leftists’ will be fawned over in the press, whereas patriots will be ruthless slandered and libeled. If all this sounds eerily familiar, it should.

    Just yesterday I was reading an article on Bloomberg about Nord Stream 2, and one Svitlana Zalishchuk was mentioned as an expert. Judging by her resume, she’s a grant-eater, i.e. a local hireling selected by the West whose role is to spread Russophobia.

    Now, you can check her Wikipedia entry, where her husband’s name is also mentioned. Put her name and his on Google Image, and you’ll be surprised.

    Ukraine will be a sodomized, self-hating, Russia-hating, mongrelized cesspool if these morons win – which thankfully they won’t. Not over the Donbass republics, which effectively blocks NATO and EU membership. And then there’s widespread Russian sympathy which speaks for itself. It can be nurtured to a greater extent if the country was somehow to be invaded (which is unlikely – for now), not to mention the hopeless infiltration of the country by Russian sympathizers, who keep a low profile but do what they can to help Russia clandestinely.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @IR
  34. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks Mr Hack.

    I am fine and hope you are doing great as well.

    It would be too long to comment about all the different (darkly) amusing aspects of Anatoly’s effortpoast.

    If I start this long discussion, I will again end up spending too much of my time on UR.

    All I can say is that the entertainment was multi-faceted and quite intense.

    And I am truly grateful to Karlin for the fun I had.

    Anatoly is a gifted man…

    🙂

    On a more serious note, some two weeks ago was the anniversary of the untimely demise by firing squad of a great hero, an exceptional person, a true Russian monarchist and patriot executed by the Bolshevik Che Ka.

    I am writing about the baron Roman Fyodorovich Von Ungern-Sternberg.

    Someone should ask Putin (and Shoigu) what they think of the man.

    If Vladimir Vladimirovitch reads AK’s blog, perhaps he might mention baron Ungern in some of his publicistic historical escapades that have become increasingly frequent as of late…

  35. songbird says:

    One thing that makes Putin a bit different IMO, is the prole fact that he grew up around rats. Would that just about make him the only leader of a major country alive now who did? (perhaps, Modi?)

  36. AP says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Nice to hear from you. What specifically was wrong about the article? I have been visiting Russia since 1999 (I watched Putin become president on TV, the night we celebrated the new millennium right off Red Square) and it has improved with every year.

    The worst I can think of that can be said is that the 90s thieves, for the most part (particularly disruptive ones like Khodorkovsky are gone), have kept their spoils and are the nation’s aristocracy and they still spend a lot of money, made in Russia, abroad. This is of course distasteful and unfair. However most others prosper, and the country has improved immensely.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @animalogic
  37. @Anatoly Karlin

    Isn’t it true that most machine tools still originates outside of Russia, though?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  38. @Bashibuzuk

    I am writing about the baron Roman Fyodorovich Von Ungern-Sternberg.

    TIL I learned that true Russian patriot is a Buddhist social darwinist.

    https://warontherocks.com/2015/05/warchives-the-buddhist-al-baghdadi/

    If Ossendowski was skeptical of the baron’s grandiose claims, it is likely many other Buddhists were as well, though for political and personal reasons many found it expedient to play along. In his invasion of Mongolia the baron received advice from the oracle bones of his soothsayers, a detachment of bodyguards from the Dalai Llama, and the support of Mongol cavalry seeking to free their country from Chinese rule.

    In 1920, following almost three years of vicious fighting, Central Asia was in chaos and its population was inured to violence. Von Ungern-Sternberg established a modicum of order by being even more violent, finding ever more dramatic ways to torture and kill his enemies that could inspire fear in a desensitized population.

    Peter Hopkirk describes Ungern-Sternberg’s systematic atrocities in terms that sound all too familiar today. In first building his army, the baron made a point of executing recruits who did not meet his expectations. As one of his officers explained, “His Buddhist teachers taught him about reincarnation, and he firmly believed that in killing the feeble people he only did them good, as they would be stronger beings in their next life.” Entering Mongolia, Ungern-Sternberg sought to terrorize anyone who resisted his advance. Officers were burned at the stake, villagers in their huts.

    • LOL: AP, Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  39. What does AK think of Xi? Do an effortpost on him too.

  40. AP says:
    @Denver

    Amazing cope.

    if Ukraine were to give up Crimea and recapture the rebel republics, join NATO and the EU, in less than 100 years its major cities would be peopled by racial aliens and Ukrainian themselves

    LOL. This would only happen if all the West was thoroughly overrun. If you believe this is the future, why aren’t you in Russia already, for your grandchildrens’ sake?

    Ukraine will be a sodomized, self-hating, Russia-hating, mongrelized cesspool if these morons win – which thankfully they won’t.

    If Ukraine integrates with the West it will be as another Visegrad type country, a poorer Poland, not another London or Sweden.

    And it is odd for a pro-Russian to speak of “mongrelized” as if it were bad. Russians are justly proud of their “mongrelized” nature.

    Not over the Donbass republics, which effectively blocks NATO and EU membership.

    If it came down to it, Ukraine isn’t going to sacrifice EU membership over the Donbas cesspool.

    And then there’s widespread Russian sympathy which speaks for itself

    More wishful coping speaks for itself. There is sympathy in border regions; it isn’t widespread in the country, and even so it is strongest among pensioners.

    EU vs. Customs Union, EU preferred by strong margins in the West and Center, and by a small margin in the South also. Customs Union preferred by a small margin in the East only:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  41. @AP

    EU vs. Customs Union, EU preferred by strong margins in the West and Center, and by a small margin in the South also. Customs Union preferred by a small margin in the East only:

    They might want to be in the EU, but the EU might not want you as a member state. Turkey has been in a more solid position to join, but talks had been stalling before Erdogan started backing down.

    • Replies: @AP
  42. @Bashibuzuk

    Has this AK post changed your opinion of Russian elites as compradors in disguise? The rhetoric might be there but the fundamental dynamics haven’t changed.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  43. melanf says:

    Quite a “Ukrainian” article. When the authorities (instead of solving real problems) engage in “patriotic” fetishism, there is nothing good about it. Cosplay of Ukraine cannot lead to anything good. Especially disgusting is the plundering of public money for the construction of ugly cathedrals for the Byzantine sect

  44. Seraphim says:

    We have learned in school (long ago and not in Russia) at the history lessons that the Russian state was founded by Russians and was managed by Russians for one thousand years. That Russians were the overwhelming majority of the populations of that vast country. And that other populations who happened to come to live in Russia generally conformed to the Latin adage ‘si fueris Romae, Romano vivito more’ or ‘Cum Romae, ut Romani faciunt fac’. Nobody heard that Little Russians or White Russians are any different from the Great Russians.

    • Replies: @AP
  45. Kirt says:

    Russia may have become a better country than even I imagined. It makes me wonder all the more why so many on what remains of the American right consider Orban’s Hungary to be their ideal.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Dmitry
  46. I think in hindsight US victory over the USSR in the cold war was a phyrric victory.

    The threat of the USSR is what drove bipartisan consensus and kept things broadly functional in an otherwise extremely unwieldy political structure.

    Once the USSR threat evaporated it began coming apart at the seams within a decade. Apparently another government shutdown is around the corner.

    For Russia the collapse of the USSR has on hindsight been a blessing in disguise. No more massive numbers of internal parasites to subsidize (USSR was around 20% Muslim and the wide disparity in birthrates meant that it may have become a Muslim majority state by the middle of the century) and no need to keep its population in a state of permanent privation relative to countries with similar human capital to fund a superpower military.

    • Thanks: Grahamsno(G64)
  47. rttrt says:

    lol this must be some kind of pelevin-style postmodern styob.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  48. Seraphim says:
    @Vishnugupta

    At the time of the US ‘victory’ over USSR, some ‘pessimists’ wondered whether it was not a ‘Queen sacrifice’ or a ‘judo movement’.

    • Agree: Vishnugupta
  49. Problem with russia though is that they build very dense multistorey commie blocks, and as we can see it leads to high divorse rate, high abortion rate and low fettility rate in cities.
    Russia can promote family values as much they want in media but they still keep doing wrong things. Navalny btw opposes multistorey apartment buildings but they sent him to prison.

    Meanwhile Russia has probably highest covid fatality rate, russians just dont give a shit so they dont even wear mask even though covid will fuck up their health. This is obviously not Putin’s fault, Russians are just too dumb even to take vaccine.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  50. @Mr. Hack

    The Ukraine lacks nukes and so cannot be a fully sovereign country. It must choose of which larger country it wishes to be a client. You can dream of some ideal world in which Ukraine could join an Intermarium, but despite some temporary successes, the Visegrad Group is very unlikely to be able to steer an independent course. Sooner or later, the conservatives in those countries will either completely sell out to the EU or be replaced with loyal Eurocrats.

    As for land grabs, I thought you were the one who likes democracy.

    • Replies: @AP
  51. GMC says:

    Great article , definitely answered some of the questions I had. Spacibo

  52. The big posts are always very welcome, especially about Russia. Many thanks.

    I hope that AK’s optimism is justified. At least, he seems to be correct that the first derivative is positive. However, I have some reservations in the long term.

    1) “This is not consistent with conspiracy theories that Putin wants to replace Russians with United Russia-voting Tajiks”.

    In the long run, importing or breeding voters is an irresistible incentive in any democracy. While the noble Putin may resist the temptation, there’s no reason to expect his successors to be able to do so.

    Is Putin forever AK’s real motivation for interest in life extension?

    And this is only one of the many perverse incentives of democracy. There’s also the inherent corruption resulting from a political class which will never be able to officially earn what they could in industry. Putin officially makes on the order of a 100k euros a year. There are head-in-the-clouds boffins in Russia making more money. The most that you can hope for is to legalize and normalize the corruption, as in the US and its satellites.

    2) Concerning the welcome reclamation of Russian history. Again, Putin won’t live forever. Does anyone else important show interest? At least some of the spooks are still worshipping Dzerzhinsky:

    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/09/13/memorializing-iron-felix

    Perhaps the military takes a broader, more patriotic view. The Russian Military Historical Society is partly responsible for a lot of good work, in particular the new Nevsky monument in Pskov Oblast.

    3) As for the New People, Russia is an economy class nanny state, with most people unwilling to pay significant taxes while still demanding that everything be provided for, then complaining when the gibs are of low quality. This means the New People aren’t going to get very far in a democracy, but Russia could certainly use more rather than less economic liberalism, though some exceptions to be made for strategic industries and allowances maintained for social stability. In short, you have to wait for granny to die a peaceful death in her flat before hitting her inheritors with real property tax. Again, file this under perverse incentives of democracy.

    4) Equity feminism versus “misogyny” is a false dichotomy. What’s misogynistic is forcing women to act like men in order to fulfil the requirements of an ideology, as the Soviets did. That so many important positions in Russia are filled by women is a disaster, most of all because it suppresses family formation and fertility, but also– as is obvious to anyone who has had to deal with the bitter, nasty women working in administration– these women are largely miserable in their jobs and would be much happier with a larger pool of successful men from whom to choose a husband.

    5) “Transhumanism is transgenderism”. Yeah, that gets the inclusion backwards. Surely many transhumanists embrace their natural born gender and only dream of super-sized prostheses grafted onto their sexual organs.

    6) Berdyaev and Solovyov were idealistic, non-nihilist radicals, who could flourish in the background of a stable traditional society. They are only conservatives from the degenerate modern point of view.

  53. Rahan says:

    The central apse features a metallic relief dedicated to the Resurrection of Christ, the God-Emperor of the Russians, irradiating into the infinite blue, star-studded heavens. I am told that the 3D effect was created by the application of techniques used in Buddhist stupas

    The idea was of Mr. Shoigu who is a shamanic-Buddhist from Tuva, and the interior designer is also a shamanist from neighboring Buryatia, Mr. Namdakov.
    https://imgpile.com/images/UNxHEP.jpg
    Namdakov’s style.

    Who else should design Orthodox Christian mega-temples? What are you, some kind of racist?

    So. Two Mongoloid shamanists are the people behind the crypto-Mithraist military mega-temple.

    Just a bunch of fellow white Orthodox Slavs doing their thing.

    Mithra? Gilgamesh? Elric? Noooo. What? Noooo. Pfff, noooo.

    Also, a detail I do not find completely insignificant–Adolf Hitler’s personal belongings are also on the territory of the temple.
    All Christian temples need Nazi relics to generate mana.

    Frankly, all this is one step away from sending expeditions to the North Pole to find Shambala and Hyperborea. Unless this is already underway.
    We wuz Knyaz n sheit. Aryan astral pyramids for Christ.

  54. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Daniel, I wouldn’t put too much trust into an article by the Atlantic. The mass media as a whole is not too supportive of Traditionalism.

    As the baron himself has purportedly said:

    “My name is surrounded with such hate and fear that no one can judge what is the truth and what is false, what is history and what myth.”

    Baron Ungern is notable for being openly Traditionalist and Monarchist at a time when few Russians were. Most White Guard commanders and fighters were not supportive of monarchy. Despite the claims to the opposite by the Bolshevik propaganda, White armies were not fighting for the Tsar, but for a bourgeois republic.

    The “mad baron” was an exception. He was of course exceptional on so many levels. A man who was declared by the Dalai Lama himself to be an incarnation of Mahakala had to be an exceptional person.

    It’s a shame that baron Ungern ended up betrayed by some among his own men, who handed him to the Reds. But this is of course nothing unusual. As the last Tsar aptly wrote during the early hours of the bourgeois revolution of February 1917 : “Nothing except stupidity and betrayal all around…”

    Humans are generally not good at upholding ideals. Those who are, are few and far between. Baron Ungern was one of these. He was in a non-direct and non-linear way a glimpse of things to come from 1933 to 1945. Especially of some psychological and spiritual traits among some of the most outstanding SS commanders.

    In retrospect, baron Roman Fyodorovich Von Ungern-Sternberg did nothing wrong, we have to admit today, some 100 years after his execution, that he was right when he said:

    “They cannot understand as yet that we are not fighting a political party but a sect of murderers of all contemporary spiritual culture.”

    May his mind-stream find his way to Shambhala and lead some of its troops in the final battles to come.

    Svaha!

  55. Doom says:

    What are your thoughts on the Russian Imperial Movement?

    Fundamentally, it is the basic observation that the Putin regime has embraced mainstream nationalism, such as respect for its traditional heritage and commitments to Russian compatriots abroad, while rejecting rightoid obsessions masquerading as nationalism, that makes me so whitepilled about its sustainability and future prospects.

    Ultimately, the aim of any nationalist movement is for the “national idea” to become so “normalized” within society, across all ideological lines – centrist, conservative, liberal, Communist – that its original champions either reintegrate into mainstream society […] In my assessment, this is exactly what happened in Russia over the past few years. In the streets, the “Russian March”, a yearly event that once drew 10,000-20,000 oppositionist nationalists, splintered apart after the Ukrainian crisis and has now dwindled to zero.

    Although Russians reject toxic Western “gender ideology”, this does not mean that basement-dwelling misogynists get to have any influence in the country that that was the world’s first to implement equity feminism and which has the world’s highest percentage of female business leaders.

    Unfortunately, my fear is that the opposite is the case. It’s precisely this exiling of the fringes of nationalist thought/communities, symbolized by the strangulation of the Russian March (contra the example of rejuvenated Polish nationalism and their very successful march) into non-existence, that portends only a shallow adherence to the values that are vital in resisting the corrosion and mass appeal of liberal and modernist degeneracy. Nothing short of an almost complete re-evaluation of “mainstream” values will be necessary in resisting the pernicious creeping influence of Western culture. Hamstringing yourself to the manufactured, artificial prejudices of the 80% is a fool’s errand. As we all know, history is not made by the bovine 80%, but by the passionate, radicals, the 20% (or even fewer) that herd and direct national destines.

    What’s needed is the acceptance and promulgation of fundamental truths contra Western lies. Russia, as a civilizational state of 150 million people is, as you said, strong enough to do this, and frankly, the ONLY European state that is strong enough on its OWN to do this. A “revolution” in social values cannot occur in any other state in the European world unless it is done in a combined effort. Any state that aspires on its own to buck “Americanism/Anglo culture” in favor of genuine nationalism, whether that is Ukraine or even Germany, will be driven into the ground with the full force of international (READ “Anglo-Jewish”) economic and political pressure. The only other solution would be for a collection of states ala “Intermarium” etc. to enter into a coordinated cultural shift towards nationalism as a way to collectively resist such pressure.

    All that said, it would be much easier to proliferate this cultural revolution if it started in Russia. For that to happen however, the cultural “extremists” need political space to maneuver and the Russian state needs to grow a cultural spine, grow beyond lukewarm nationalism and not fear international political persecution.

    There are three fundamental truths. Race and biological diversity needs to become a prominent topic of discussion at an academic level as does the organizational utility of collective identities rooted in the above. Inequality is the iron law of nature, the son of evolution, and social hierarchy (i.e. 20% lead, 80% follow etc.) must become a fundamentally accepted truth, especially as it applies to the sexes. A byproduct of this is that Patriarchy needs to be reinstated, women out of the boardroom and back into the bedroom. Part of this will be challenging the legacy of Soviet “gender progressivism.” Lastly, the cold truth that power is all, that freedom is either a lie for the masses or a dangerous luxury (like fire, useful in limited amounts, destructive in excess) for the elite, that has utility (insofar as it spurs innovation) in the pursuit of power, but is always subordinate to power and the struggle for survival; this is necessary to stigmatize the appeal of “freedom” for the masses, which is as unhealthy as letting a child live off chocolate alone. They couldn’t imagine a more perfect universe and yet how wrong they could be.

  56. AP says:
    @Seraphim

    Bad Balkan schools?

    • LOL: Mikhail
  57. Doom says:

    I watch some Russian television, the cult of the celebrity is firmly entrenched over there and their mass media is nearly as poisonous as it is in the West (minus the constant trans/minority signaling). Pop culture, consumerism, plastic surgery and aspirational materialism is nearly as developed as in the West. Last I saw, something like 40% of Russian youths are tolerant of LGBT and increasing. The corruption is setting in and without these “street radicals,” it’s only a matter of time.

    Hopefully this new allegedly “nationalist” turn will see some of the street energy return, but channeled in a healthy and constructive direction. Tsargrad comes to mind, those Rodnover guys from the Dedyshki Moroz group as well. Promoting military-patriotic youth and athletics focused organizations is a good move, Cossack academies etc.. Supporting traditional religious groups like Orthodox or Rodnovery will also be important.

    Has the Victory Cult gone into overdrive? Perhaps. I used to think so.

    The greatest tragedy ever is the legacy of the National Socialist war of extermination against the Slav people. What a profound mistake by the NS. May it not forever condemn the Russians into stigmatizing the philosophical contributions of fascism and nationalism socialism that will be needed in the coming years.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  58. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Rahan

    Shoigu is also a member of the Military Sovereign Order of Malta decorated with one of its highest regalia.

    And my bets are on Shoigu playing an important role in post-Putin RusFed, just like he did in early Yeltsin RusFed starting from 1991, when VVP was driving a taxi in Piter.

    BTW, Russia might well end up ruled by a Shoigu and Sobyanin tandem.

    So much for “Russian nationalism “…

    🙂

    • Thanks: Rahan
    • Replies: @kzn
    , @Seraphim
  59. AP says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Turkey’s problem is that it’s a large Muslim country in the Middle East with nearly Germany’s population. Ukraine’s problem is that it is too poor and too corrupt. One set of problems is more permanent than the other.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  60. I really appreciate the efforts made and insights shared in this article. May that statue of Aleksandr Issayevich never be removed!

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
  61. @Triteleia Laxa

    As @mal pointed out, I do indeed have a (extremely incomplete) Russia travel guide https://akarlin.com/travel/russia/ as well as more filled out guides to Moscow https://akarlin.com/travel/moscow/ and SPB https://akarlin.com/travel/saint-petersburg/

    Guide for specifically nationalist-minded tourists are an interesting idea that I might expound upon in the future.

    I do actually have something along “thematic” lines in a brief section for Moscow (and SPB) here, see under “Nationalists”: https://akarlin.com/travel/moscow/#Communities_of_Interest as well as some day program suggestions here: https://akarlin.com/travel/moscow/#Tourism_101

  62. @Daniel Chieh

    I suppose that if we really, literally have the outside world vanish, then yes, Russia will be in a lot of economic trouble (like any other). 😉 Correct, Russia doesn’t really make machine tools, it’s 17th in the world by production or something along those lines, its really the Germanics and Italians who dominate this sector (and have for a very long time) as well as Japanese, and more recently Koreans and Chinese. Presumably in such a scenario it would ramp up over time as the need to replace the capital stock grows.

  63. Mersaux says:

    Russia’s total fertility rate was 1,50 in 2019 and 2020. Apparently Russian women seem not be that that into Russian nationalism(At least for now). Russian nationalists still have work to do

    • Replies: @Tom67
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  64. @Kirt

    In all fairness, idealizing Hungary is safer because it is not a geopolitical competitor, so it’s harder to get labeled as a traitor for doing so.

    That way you just get cringe takes from Matty Yglesias consisting of how photos of his soggy burritoes proves that Hungary is a failure and USA is #1.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  65. kzn says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    1. Russian nationalism is very distinct from Russian ETHNO-nationalism you dimwit. Just like American nationalism is not much about honouring people like Geronimo

    2. Putin was assistant to SP mayor in 1991 – a more wild and probably just as, if not more, important city than Moscow in that immediate new Russia period. Talking about “driving a taxi” is misleading

    Shoigu is probably too old to do much after VVP anyway, the tragic sad death of (the excellent) M.Ch.S head Zinichev takes a more plausible candidate away

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  66. @Finnishguy78

    It’s pretty sad, but vaccine hesitancy is extremely high throughout Eastern Europe, Russia is not atypical there. Excess mortality is very high by world standards, but not significantly different from most of its East European neighbors (as well as Balkans and Peru). https://www.unz.com/akarlin/7-million-deaths-from-corona/ But not sure what relation the premature deaths of a million or so pensioners has to do with the topic, though.

    You’re not going to wave a wand and replace the housing stock in a few years. In any case, it’s not a key determinant of fertility levels anyway.

    [MORE]

    Modi’in Illit in Israel. Dour concrete ghetto. TFR something like 6, because populated by Haredi Jews.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/

  67. @Rahan

    Agreed, endorsed, based, and redpilled.

    Hard to think how that place could be made even better. Adding automated turrets and sentry bots?

    Minor correction: Hitler’s uniform is actually kept in a sumptuously furbished museum called the 1,418 Steps of Victory (=the number of days in the GPW), which encircles the actual Cathedral in a loop that you walk through from the beginning of the war to the end.

    • Thanks: Rahan
  68. Tom67 says:
    @Mersaux

    The birth rate you cite is that of all “Russians”. In reality it is lower for ethnic Russians and higher for the minorities and especially Muslim minorities. It is a well known fact (not mentioned by Karlin) that the military draft excludes a large part of eligible Muslims. The reason being that they are much tougher than ethnic Russians of the same age and would therefore dominate in the baracks. And that is quite apart from the fact that up to a quarter of draft age males are non Russians of which the vast majority are Muslims. The exact proportion of Muslims in the various age groups is a well kept secret. A hint one can find in this paper: https://www.orfonline.org/research/russias-demographic-trajectory-dimensions-and-implications/
    Karlins illusions of Grandeur are shared by a certain smart set in metropolitan Russia where you might indeed entertain fantasies of the coming resurgence of the Russian Empire. The Muslims of Russia have a very different view of the future. And it is there already. Chechnya is for all practical purposes an independet country. Sharia ist State law, women wear the veil, polygamy is allowed and FSB (Russian FBI) agents are arrested in Grosny if Kadyrov feels like it. For now the generation of Putin and the one following him (including those born in the Eighties) are still holding the lid on things. The single sons born in much better times will have a rude awakening. And people in Russia know it. Sure not the smart set of Karlin but people in provinces with a substantial Muslim presence.

  69. kzn says:

    As I have said before, the number or people produced in the central Asian “stans” reaching the start of adult working age, far exceeds the number of jobs being created each year in their countries.

    The only solution to this problem is large number of these people working in Russia. Their governments probably semi blackmailing Russia by saying if they don’t get jobs they go to terrorism

    Karlin uses 2020 statistics as evidence of a policy, but these are not too relevant to central Asia because of the coronovirus-effect. Although he is right the policies are very good for Russian World in getting more Ukrainians, belorossiyans, and other Russians back home – because unlike in Moldova where they are giving them Romanian passports ( aka EU passports) for free….. Ukrops in Poland cleaning toilets and prostituting are not getting near the same level of affection, and there should continue a mass exodus to Russia for many years.

  70. Bashibuzuk says:
    @AP

    Hi AP,

    It would take too much of my time to go through AK’s long post and debunk it. I would end up writing dozens of comments, looking for statistics, providing links. Too much of an effort would be needed.

    Also Karlin is absolutely entitled to have his own take on the matter. Let’s just say that Nationalism is different things to different people. And it’s his blog , not mine.

    All I can say is that the majority of self-identified Russian Nationalists among Karlin’s acquaintances would most probably strongly disagree with Anatoly’s conclusions about RusFed somewhat magically morphing into a Russian ethnostate. Most of them are also not as entranced with VVP as Anatoly is.

    To each his own I guess…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  71. @Doom

    What are your thoughts on the Russian Imperial Movement?

    I wrote about them here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/imperial-russian-terrorists/

  72. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    The capital outflows from RusFed are climbing new heights, RusFed elites and economy are part and parcel of the Globalistan, while ethnic Russian hinterland is going downhill demographically and economically. So no, whatever Anatoly writes doesn’t change anything about the facts on the ground.

  73. @Bashibuzuk

    All I can say is that the majority of self-identified Russian Nationalists among Karlin’s acquaintances would most probably strongly disagree with Anatoly’s conclusions about RusFed somewhat magically morphing into a Russian ethnostate.

    I didn’t say it morphed into an ethnostate, but into an ethno-aware national state. Certainly hardcore ethnonationalists would still hate Putin as much as ever, but I don’t tend to associate with those people. I support “Russia for Russians”, not “Russia only for Russians”.

    I used to be rather sour on VVP around 2016-18 if you recall. Then he started doing things I like at a very fast pace, not just on the national question (important as it is) but on surprisingly many other things e.g. raising academic salaries (months after I wrote about Russia’s technological problems, heh), and I gradually adjusted my position.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Bashibuzuk
  74. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    The Ukraine lacks nukes and so cannot be a fully sovereign country. It must choose of which larger country it wishes to be a client

    Visegrad could easily go nuclear if Ukraine joined. IIRC Poland has been purchasing nuke capable planes and submarines, Ukraine has knowledge and material to make nukes. Ukraine’s non-nuclear status is more like that of Japan than like that of, say, Vietnam.

    You can dream of some ideal world in which Ukraine could join an Intermarium, but despite some temporary successes, the Visegrad Group is very unlikely to be able to steer an independent course

    Maybe, maybe not. Ukraine increases Visegrad’s chances of being independent. Poland’s elites know this. As do Germany’a and Russia’s. So there is a complex game going on.

    Germany cries about Polish press freedom because Polish reforms result in Polish media not being owned by Germans, Nordstream is as anti-Polish as it is anti-Ukrainian, etc.

    • Replies: @AltSerrice
    , @Doom
  75. @Mersaux

    And Poland’s was 1.3-1.4, and Hungary’s was 1.5-1.6. Meanwhile, Sweden, say, was at around 1.85 in 2015. Was it a hotbed of nationalism at the height of #RefugeesWelcome?

    These are somewhat different things.

    • Replies: @Mersaux
  76. @AP

    Surely it is complete fantasy that Ukraine will ever join an Intermarium project in a world where Russia exists and is sovereign? It’s like America letting Canada join the Warsaw Pact. The ‘best’ (from a nationalist perspective) it can hope for is to be some sort of neutral buffer polity and use its neutrality to get the best of both sides, but that is a dangerous game in itself.

    • Replies: @AP
  77. @Abelard Lindsey

    That depends on whether the formulation is Russia as a Russian national state or Russia as a state exclusively populated by Russians.

    The former can raise no objections by anyone other than hardline Russophobes and demented cosmopolitan liberals.

    The latter requires ethnic cleansing, genocide, or the creation of dozens of bantustan protectorates. Not very realistic, moral, or even useful. It can be compared to the fantasies of American alt-rightists like one Dick Spencer of carving out a homogenous “ethnostate” through means which are never actually spelled out.

    And bravo to AK for another great effortpost.

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
  78. @jimmyriddle

    MGTOW barely exists and is a small number of men who effectively spend their time complaining about women all day.

    It’s a splinter of the broader masculine reaction against contemporary sex ideology. In addition to the MGTOWs there are MRAs, PUAs, trads, and probably others that I’ve forgotten. The most influential branch was always the PUAs, whose insights have thoroughly penetrated mainstream discourse to such an extent that one can now here morning radio hosts talking about “negging”.

    The masculinist movement as an independent phenomenon peaked a decade ago, and most participants have joined the broader right-wing dissident movement. A fair number of the original PUAs have become traditionalist Christians (e.g. Roosh) and renounced their past.

  79. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    Very informative article by AK, and good to learn that the Russian state has gone a very long way in liberating itself from the worst aspects of Soviet legacy & western influence/sabotage. I would also add that Russia is the only major country on the planet that runs a sensible macroeconomic policy. The USA, EU, UK, Japan & even China are to varying degrees drowning under the weight of ultra-inflationary monetary & fiscal policies, nurture dizzying levels of government, household & corporate debt and rely excessively on stockmarket & real-estate bubbles.

    But AK is badly underestimating Russia when he says that due to demographics, Russia won’t be able to compete for global supremacy with the likes of the US, China & even India. Russia is *already* competing with the US Empire & China for global preeminence, despite its much smaller population & even smaller economy. In contrast with other major global players, Russia has certain advantages over all of them:

    a) Compared to Russia, every country in the world (US included) is resource-poor & dependent on foreign powers. Beyond being an economic asset of growing importance, Russia’s resources allow for almost absolute independence.
    b) Russia’s atomic umbrella allows for a low-cost defense of the motherland, turning Russia’s size & location bestriding Eurasia into an absolute asset, whereas it used to also be a liability in the past.
    c) Russia doesn’t carry any ideological ballast (as China & the West do) and doesn’t need to sell lies such as “Pandemic” or “Climate Change” in order to implement her economic program.

  80. songbird says:

    How likely is a new Warsaw Pact, given 30-40 more years of a demographic shift in Western Europe and the US?

  81. AP says:
    @AltSerrice

    Surely it is complete fantasy that Ukraine will ever join an Intermarium project in a world where Russia exists and is sovereign? It’s like America letting Canada join the Warsaw Pact

    Check the geography. Canada didn’t border the Warsaw Pact (thousands of miles of Arctic doesn’t count). But Kiev is closer to Warsaw than it is to Moscow. And of course, Russia is hardly as strong as the USA.

    With Donbas and Crimea gone, Russia loses most of its internal fifth column in Ukraine. Enforcing its proffered geopolitical stance for Ukraine will therefore require an invasion and occupation.

    The ‘best’ (from a nationalist perspective) it can hope for is to be some sort of neutral buffer polity and use its neutrality to get the best of both sides, but that is a dangerous game in itself

    Odds increase if Intermarium itself is a buffer between East and West, opposing domination by both sides.

    • Replies: @AltSerrice
    , @kzn
  82. 1. I will be surprised if the next time Ron Unz rotates the top left story on the main page if this story ain’t it.

    2. There are a couple of mistakes that I found on first reading but I am not going to be a schmuck and point them out. : )

    3. Congratulations Mr. Karlin on a job well done. I actually sent the link to your story to a couple of people who have high a priori premise that everything unz = hate speech!

  83. Mr. Hack says:

    Anatoly – I applaud AP if he’s been able to steer you away from triunism and convince you of Ukraine’s nascent ability to form its own, separate, nation state. He did after all, present you with a lot of facts to this end, and I notice that you’ve thanked him for this information. Or was this just a gratuitous gesture on your part?

  84. @AP

    Arguing the details of the example is semantics. The core reality is that when you are a small country right beside a great power, particularly one that considers you to be a crucial part of its sphere, it is not possible to fully integrate into a project hostile to that great power.

    • Replies: @AP
  85. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In all fairness, idealizing Hungary is safer because it is not a geopolitical competitor, so it’s harder to get labeled as a traitor for doing so.

    That way you just get cringe takes from Matty Yglesias consisting of how photos of his soggy burritoes proves that Hungary is a failure and USA is #1.

    Cultural ethno-religious bias, having to do with Hungary (and Poland) being predominately Roman Catholic.

    Orban and Trump aren’t like some of their supporters – the latter which include Russia haters. Gradual change seems possible.

  86. Aedib says:

    I think AK is over-optimistic. My view is the following:
    – Sooner or later Putin will be replaced. Better sooner and in a managed way (Dyumin seems OK).
    – Belarus. Both Luka and Putin seem uninterested in the full merger. It seems they agreed in a slow “harmonizing process” and, may be, some facilities for the Russian Army in Belarus to cover the West front.
    – Donbas. De facto integration into Russia is already moving on but a full absorption a la Crimea is ruled out. Putin seems to insist on re-injecting it into Ukraine to anchor it outside the NATO.
    – Current-borders Ukraine: The civilizational fracture already happened along “ethnic lines” (big Russians vs little Russians) along the scenario described by AP. Re-orbiting Ukraine into the Russian solar system is ruled out.
    – Economic development. Russia will be tilting toward China simply because East Asia is the new pole of the world economy but it will still be a raw materials supplier. The bright side is that the coming commodities super-cycle will give Russia a very strong position vis-a-vis the “Western partners” and a transitory reinforcement of its position towards China.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  87. AP says:
    @AltSerrice

    Arguing the details of the example is semantics. The core reality is that when you are a small country right beside a great power, particularly one that considers you to be a crucial part of its sphere

    The issues go much further than mere semantics. Ukraine is not a little Georgia in the Caucuses. It has ~35 million people, directly borders four NATO members, and it’s capital is closer to Warsaw than it is to Moscow. Russia, meanwhile, has about half the population as did the USSR.

    In relative and practical terms this would not be like the Russian invasion of Georgia, or the Soviet invasions of Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968, but a Soviet invasion of Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary at the same time. Although it is obvious who the eventual victor would be, it is extremely doubtful that modern Russia has the will to engage in such an adventure simply to keep Ukraine out of the EU, or even NATO (whose member Estonia is closer to sensitive Russian areas than is Ukraine). Russia isn’t the Brezhnevite USSR.

    • Replies: @AltSerrice
  88. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I support “Russia for Russians”, not “Russia only for Russians”.

    I support a similar stance for Ukraine’s future development too:

    I support “Ukraine for Ukrainians”, not “Ukraine only for Ukrainians”

    Do you think that my stance is reasonable?

  89. @Aedib

    Re-orbiting Ukraine into the Russian solar system is ruled out.

    How? The current ruling clique in Kiev will not live forever and there will come a day where there is nothing left to plunder from it’s carcass
    The EU is also not interested in any meaningful integration that could revitalize it, so it’s only natural that a better offer from Russia will one day convince enough lesser elites in the Ukraine to rebel against the current course

    • Replies: @AP
  90. @Mr. Hack

    I think “the Ukraine for Russians,” not “the Ukraine only for Russians,” is the most reasonable stance.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  91. @AP

    The power disparity is still immense, and unlike in the example you give, Russia would not be a truly foreign invader. Are Ukrainian troops really going to fight and die against Russia? Are Ukrainian elites going to give up everything for the idea of Ukraine? A full invasion would not even be necessary — you would need the population and the elites to be truly committed to the Ukrainian project for extensive resistance. The country could easily be broken into a South-Eastern puppet state and a demilitarised, if hostile, Western rump state.

    There’s a million arguments and avenues of thought that can be made, and have been made at this blog many times. But I don’t think there has ever been a plausible argument to suggest that Ukraine is not completely at the mercy of its larger neighbour if Russia actually has the will to do something about it.

    • Replies: @AP
  92. @Anatoly Karlin

    Well yes haredis and maybe some other smallers groups are exception but haredis for example live very communal way of life and reject all modernity. They probably rarely leave the street they live in and mostly read torah at their homes with their family and relatives. it is like a small village lifestyle rather than urban lifestyle. In more secular people high density urban living leads to more individualism and isolation, people barely will know their neighbours and certainly not the people living in the same street it causes stress too, because people are wired to live in tribes of 200, seeing strangers all day will cause them stress which will lead to all kind of social problems like divorses, mental health problems, drug problems etc..

    Even rats cant tolerate living in too dense places like John b Calhouns mice utopia studies show and their population always dies off. Same thing is happening everywhere around the world in dense cities, in Russia too. Haredis and some other groups can counter that living small village lifestyle in dense cities by not leaving their homestreets but secular people certainly cant do that.

    And in Russia they keep building every year more dense apartment blocks because it is good business, but it certainly will doom russian fertility rate no matter how much “family values” propaganda they air in media.

  93. AP says:
    @Korenchkin

    It’s not 2015 anymore. Ukraine isn’t getting poorer. It’s GDP was \$91 billion in 2015 and \$154 billion in 2019. And the separation isn’t driven by the elites. If the population wanted to unite with Russia the elites would be pro-Russian despots like Lukashenko or the guys in Central Asia. But instead they must move in the other direction.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    , @GMC
  94. AP says:
    @AltSerrice

    The power disparity is still immense, and unlike in the example you give, Russia would not be a truly foreign invader

    Wishful thinking.

    Are Ukrainian troops really going to fight and die against Russia

    Probably not any less so than Russian kids are willing to fight and die in order to occupy Ukraine. Kharkiv may yet be a little soft but the really disloyal regions have already left.

    Speaking anecdotally, none of my cousins who were mobilised refused to serve. And they could have moved to Moscow where they had family (indeed one got estranged from his own brother over this). These were central, not western Ukrainians.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  95. 12 154 Belorussians obtained Russian citizenship in the first half of 2021.

    and 44 196 Tajiks.

    Belarus and Tajikistan have similar population size.

    Russian immigration policy clearly favors Tajiks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  96. songbird says:

    What is the latest nuclear news out of Russia?

    I kind of get the idea that support for new nuclear plants is waning, due to the population not increasing, resulting in a lack of demand for new plants.

    But it is also surprising to me how little of Russia’s power seems to currently be generated by nuclear (20.6%), given what I perceive as a lower resistance to it. I mean, percentage-wise it seems pretty comparable to America (19.7%), which has been the heart of anti-nuclear propaganda for nearly the past 70 years.

    Is it a blackpill on nuclear that America is still the king of megawatts? Back in my early youth, I remember seeing Seabrook nuclear power plant. It used to have two hulking containment domes. One was rust-colored because, due to opposition, the second reactor was never built – it stood for many years, as a monument to atomophobia but eventually was torn down.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seabrook_Station_Nuclear_Power_Plant

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @Boomthorkell
    , @Wency
  97. Mersaux says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Nationalism with low birth rates is a bit meaningless. Why should one care about a nation which will rapidly decline in numbers

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    , @Tom67
    , @Weaver
  98. kzn says:
    @AP

    Most of its internal fifth column in ukraine

    LMAO – Has ever a nation ever been cursed to have such stupid, evil, self-sabotaging and incompetent scum “diaspora” as Ukraine?

    [MORE]

    Hungarians from abroad don’t act dumb and evil like this. Polish scum nationalists definitely try to engineer a richer country . Armenians from Russian or Ottoman Empire have genuine concern and show financial and other help to their people….. Banderastan does not have this, but the exact opposite.

    Obviously you don’t classify under this as diaspora as you are a compulsive liar-fantasist,
    who has multiple times proven to not be able to speak any Russian or “Ukrainian” , doesn’t even know what” mir”means, never visited there, has no international passport and created Polish sock puppets on different websites……. but you of course copy and paste the garbage of actual diaspora .

    All this garbage stems from the fact that the UPA and OUN illogically have” patriot ” and” nationalist”in their organisation name- it’s even worse a misnomer than “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”

    Diaspora for other countries are able to attract investment into their land (not show zero interest in it as Banderastan trash do), try something to stop the mass exodus and mass deathrate/natural population loss of the country…… not actively encourage it. They also, as with Hungary patriots, would be fine buying Sputnik vaccine – not be as the North American Banderetard filth controlling the country of “Ukraine” who actively ban Sputnik, willfully desiring another 100000 ukrops to die from Coronavirus (even though all the PCR tests done there are Russian made, LMAO).

    All this freakshow is attributable to the fact that it’s illogical to use the term “patriot” or “nationalist” to this human garbage – and so an explanation of their failure actions. Its not their people and not their land – which explains their schizophrenic actions….. and probably even the laughable situation where most Ukrainians have to watch Usyk fight on russian, REN TV because no one channel in fu*kheadistan is even showing the fight.

    Geniunely cursed

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Troll: Mr. Hack
  99. Art Deco says:

    1. Satisfactory nations are courteous to their minorities. Turkey shows you what to not do.

    2. Ukrainians and (of late) White Russians are just not that into you, and recondite arguments on the subjects of early modern history and linguistics aren’t going to make you more attractive. Neither will insisting that your interlocutors are ‘fake and gay’ or too stupid to govern themselves. Attempting to reconquer these territories is a waste of everyone’s resources and everyone’s patience.

    3. You might state a claim for Narva and for certain border counties in Kazakhstan. Prudent to let the locals do the leg work.

    4. Too many provinces. About 30-odd might do, with most delineated so as to have a critical mass of population and personal income flow in the province as a whole and in the key city therein. Less populous provinces might be those with boundaries drawn to be coterminous with geographic features (e.g. Sakhalin) or ethnic concentrations (e.g. Ossetia). Provinces with full autonomy might encompass the bulk of the population (say, 85% of the sum), with the provinces short on people and / or real income contracting with the central government or neighboring provinces. Asymmetric decentralisation.

  100. Art Deco says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Or Tajiks are more motivated to apply because their country is dirt poor, which White Russia is not.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  101. Art Deco says:
    @AltSerrice

    It’s comprehensively unreasonable.

  102. Another example of increasingly mundane Russian realities making leftists/anarchists seethe. (h/t Vile Varangian)

  103. @Doom

    The only fundamental truths are evolution (transience), stability and chaos. Only by approaching to these truths can we approach balance. All of these 3 can be seen in everything, but only in human society have those really been fostered.

    Ethnicities will evolve as they see fit. They will settle and move, they will consolidate and mix. Same with race.

    Hierarchy horizontal and vertical will adapt and grow, they will settle and decay and reshuffle when newer ideas and forms appear. Same with identities as far as they are organic, and even if they are initially constructed by fanatics. Nothing is truly equal because they evolve into more specialized places. But they can move towards or back from equity. You can evolve leadership, you can evolve fellowship, and you can evolve many other things which can or don’t fit into established social orders.

    Sexuality can be evolutionary and stable, in human terms, a wife and a husband. But how it should be, and whether we have anything outside of that, is thrown wild in the open, with the majority tending to stability and minority tending to deviance. Males are predominant in every society post-agriculture. But the evolutionary and chaotic energies of both males and females manifest in many ways that are both conforming and deviating.

    There can be social cores and peripheries of power, slaves and outlaws, subjects and outcasts, citizens and criminal, and lastly saints and hermits.

    All of the above are good. They can be messy, and lots of suffering will happen, but they will end up be fine. I have said so many things that run counter to many of the tendencies above since I’m just presenting what’s sounds good to them, but in a more positive direction.

    And the last thing, true liberation isn’t worldly, but spiritual. Once you have spiritual liberation, you can truly be free in this world. Let the world, every nation and region, every tribe and clan and family, and every person pursue their organic routes of development. They can converge and they can diverge.

    • Replies: @Doom
  104. Mitleser says:
    @songbird

    What is the latest nuclear news out of Russia?

  105. @Mitleser

    Physical immanentization of ATOMIC ORTHODOXY.

  106. @Art Deco

    And who is to blame for Belarus not being an impoverished shithole? Putin’s foreign policy that has us subsidizing “brotherly” nations instead of ruthlessly cannibalizing them.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  107. Alfa158 says:
    @AltSerrice

    I would agree with that except for the part about increasing the population to 200 million. From what little I know, the TFR is way below replacement level and I’m not aware that there is a trend that indicates it will be going above 2.2. Would that 200 million be from reintegrating Ukraine or immigration from the Caucasus? I would like to hear more about how that will happen.
    It is difficult in the West to learn more about facts on the ground in Russia, because our media ignore the country when they aren’t actively attacking it. All we get here is “Putler” scheming to subvert our shining democracies, Cossacks whipping heroic Pussy Rioters who are desecrating Russian churches, astonishingly incompetent poisonings of political dissidents who miraculously survive the poisonings, etc.
    I have to resort to ferreting out blogs such as this, or scouring the Internet and streaming media for Russian documentaries, entertainment, movies and other programs that provide some sense of what is actually going on in that society. My wife and I love international travel and hope to do a grand tour of Russia once travels opens up more.

    • Replies: @Cutler
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  108. @Rahan

    Who else should design Orthodox Christian mega-temples? What are you, some kind of racist?

    So. Two Mongoloid shamanists are the people behind the crypto-Mithraist military mega-temple.

    Just a bunch of fellow white Orthodox Slavs doing their thing.

    Mithra? Gilgamesh? Elric? Noooo. What? Noooo. Pfff, noooo.

    That was a nice lol here, reminded the style of most entertaining Russian hardcore nationalist once in FB, originating from Kiev, who was writing for some time under the pseudoname of Alex Parker 🙂

    • Thanks: Rahan
  109. @Thorfinnsson

    I know what you are saying and agree with you. I was referring to the former, not the latter.

    I am developing such an animosity towards our so-called elites that I am perfectly happy with all other countries doing whatever it is that pisses them off.

  110. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “Russia only for Russians”

    I have always been of the “Russia for all its native populations ” type. Slavs, Finno-Ugric, Turkic, Altaic etc. It doesn’t really matter. When you look at the paleogenetic, you find out that most of the lineages have been living on this land for thousands of years.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Yevardian
  111. Bashibuzuk says:
    @kzn

    the tragic sad death of (the excellent) M.Ch.S head Zinichev takes a more plausible candidate away

    And that’s possibly exactly why Zinichev died.

    Did you know that during Zinchev’s escapade in the Altai, Putin and Shoigu were supported to spend some friendly time together somewhere in Tuva ?

    Instead, Putin ran away to hide in his bunker again as soon as he learned that Zinichev “fell from a cliff”.

    Interesting times…

    • Replies: @kzn
  112. Dmitry says:

    It seems like Karlin has brilliantly designed this post to trigger Bashibuzuk, and successfully forced him to return to his forum.

    Every sentence, if not every word, has been carefully and beautifully phrased by AK to trigger Bashibuzuk. And within a day, Bashibuzuk already back here (which is nice to see btw).

    We just need a post now celebrating the nationalist achievements of Angela Merkel, and maybe even German Reader will be triggered enough to rejoin here.

    • Agree: mal, Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin, Daniel Chieh, sher singh, Aedib, Mitleser
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Seraphim
  113. @kzn

    USSR was so bad at producing soft power, that it is better remembered by many of the youth by cultural artifacts created by Californian pot-smokers than anything it produced.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  114. Dmitry says:
    @Kirt

    Orban seems to be increasingly unimpressive, but he is supporting policies which are similar to US Republicans, especially after Trump. For example, Orban opposes immigration.

    By comparison, Putin has designed and operated, probably the world’s largest open borders immigration system between second world countries and third world countries.

    Putin also used the power and sophistication of FSB to crush and re-orient a Russian nationalism (probably justifiably by Putin because there was issue with violent racists, which can destabilize a country and murder innocent people), and now to substitute or re-orientate that with a politically acceptable ideology of Russian imperialism. The latter is pretty understandable though, as this is how the one-democracy is managing the different diversity of political views, while clipping the extremes.

    To discuss more generally questions about Putin’s successes and failures for the country’s national interest, is a very complicated topic, and without simple answers.

    It’s also confusing for the observers because there is no control sample to compare with (of non-Putin 2000s politics), and especially amateur observers like all ourselves have no understanding of how easy or difficult it is to manage a country.

    It’s easy to know that the managers of the country are following self-interest, and that the raison d’être of their career is become wealthy and protected, and diversifying their assets around the world. But elites of every country in history usually have similar motives – so Russian elite is not exactly against trend.

    It’s also undeniable that Putin’s management has achieved an excellent level of political stability by Russian standards, and this is obviously better for the country than the alternative of an unstable politics (e.g. Ukraine).

    In terms of the other indicators. Economic level of country improved rapidly from 1999-2008, and then after the end of the commodity supercycle it has been stagnated. Most indicators are settling above the world average, but standard of living stopped a lot below the top countries like Western Europe.

    Median Russia lived better today in terms of social and political order, and standard of living, than probably ever before in history (although old people will often say life was better in 1970s – it’s always a question how rosy coloured are the glasses of their youth).

    Improvement in the median Russia is far less than in the wealthy Russia. Wealthy cities and people became richer, and median point of the country is likely improving in most of the objective indicators, but it will quite moderate improvements compared to in the wealthy sector.

    If you compare Hungary, it’s clear Hungarian had a much larger economic boost in the second half of the 2010s. Hungary is part of the EU and has a very unrelated economic orientation to Russia.

    Nominal incomes in Russia was even above Hungary and Poland a decade ago, but all these central European countries like Hungary had a rapid economic growth in the last 5 years.

    It’s nothing special for Orban, as the other Central European countries have been boosting economically. (By comparison in the non-EU postsoviet countries everyone’s growth has been flatlined in last few years).

  115. @AP

    When you’re on the bottom only way to go is up.
    Ukraine would not turn into Uzbekistan if it became pro-Russian, but you already know that

    I honestly don’t know what you’re expecting to happen, that Russia will suddenly stop what it has been doing for a thousand years already?
    Who are these competent leaders in Kiev who’re going to guide the Ukraine into prosperity?

    • Agree: AltSerrice
    • Replies: @AP
  116. Dmitry says:
    @Rahan

    I’m starting to understand AK’s view on this cathedral’s architecture more – it’s a kind of sciencefiction, mixed with socialist realism, and oligarch eccentricity.

    It’s a culturally unique, as nobody in the world is attaining this kind of cathedral outside the postsoviet space. As a result, this style is at least differentiating Russia in a cultural level, even if not in a visually very beautiful way.

    If someone had created name for this style, then it could have entered the textbooks in the architecture department in university, and might even become popular with hipsters, and after reading a few essays on what they are thinking it might be easier to understand.

    Aside from science fiction aesthetics of this example. There is not much of a connection of building churches with the stereotypical (anti-immigration) nationalist agenda in Russia, as the church construction requires guestworkers, and the head of the church is supporting the labour immigration. https://govoritmoskva.ru/news/139447/

    However, church is part of the semi-official power or semi-official state capacity. It extends state capacity to influence in a social or cultural sphere. So for government supporters, they should logically celebrate the construction of buildings that extend the state-capacity.

    Still the temple is not what it was in the social life of the previous centuries – it’s not the central social space of the city or village as it was historically. It’s more of an institution of only symbolic power, with 3% of public might visit for religious services even in Easter, and maybe 2% of active religious people who re-orient their life by it. Church has now a very strong, elite symbolic and political position, but its use very limited for managing country’s social life.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mr. Hack
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  117. AP says:
    @Korenchkin

    When you’re on the bottom only way to go is up

    First you compared Ukraine to a carcass, something dead and gone.

    When you were shown that this was wildly wrong, you now say that the only way from the bottom is up. Always an excuse, to avoid reality.

    Ukraine would not turn into Uzbekistan if it became pro-Russian, but you already know that

    Ukraine’s neighbor Belarus chose to link itself to Russia. It’s neighbors Romania and Poland chose to link themselves with the West. Romania used to be a lot poorer than Belarus, and Poland used to be about the same. Both are now a lot richer than is Belarus.

    I honestly don’t know what you’re expecting to happen, that Russia will suddenly stop what it has been doing for a thousand years already

    Failing to integrate Ukraine?

  118. @Anatoly Karlin

    I frequently disagree with AK’s nationalist stance, and completely dismiss his attitude towards Ukrainians & others.

    But it seems to me that nitpicking about birth rate, alcoholism, Covid etc. is just that – nagging. To me, Russia, despite some trends I strongly disagree with, is now a country with a future, with hope & with more freedom and chance for “pursuit of happiness” than any time in past 500 years.

    This is tremendously good, and one cannot attain everything or some sort of desired idealized state over night. It takes time.

    Two men looked out from prison bars,
    One saw the mud, the other saw stars.

  119. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    USSR had softpower in the short times that the bourgeois democracies allowed it. In America and Western Europe, this was mainly allowed by Western authorities during 1941-45.

    And in the elite Western culture, there was a lot of admiration for Soviet cinema and music across the century, and fortunately even during the worst tensions there could at least be a peaceful exchange of great musicians and artists. The connection of elite culture could have been perhaps invaluable in reducing some tensions.

    Western elites could enjoy the pleasures of Soviet composers and cinema, although perhaps denying Soviet mass culture for their lower classes. E.g. During the Cold War, there was never problem recording things like Prokofiev soundtracks for the director Eisenshtein’s cinema in a symphony orchestra context (but not showing the director Eisenshtein’s cinema for mass television).

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  120. Art Deco says:
    @Felix Keverich

    And who is to blame for Belarus not being an impoverished shithole? Putin’s foreign policy that has us subsidizing “brotherly” nations instead of ruthlessly cannibalizing them.

    Why would you ruthlessly cannibalize anyone? Who does that?

    Courtesy the World Bank: net overseas development assistance provided White Russia since 1995 = \$0.

    What is your contention, that state enterprises in Russia sell to White Russia’s firms at concessionary prices, or that they pay premium prices for White Russia’s industrial output?

  121. Doom says:
    @AP

    Maybe, maybe not. Ukraine increases Visegrad’s chances of being independent. Poland’s elites know this. As do Germany’a and Russia’s. So there is a complex game going on.

    This is all predicated on Poland NOT going gay and globohomo in the next 10 years, which it is on track for. Isn’t support for LGBT degeneracy something like 60% among under 35s? Acceptance of refugees will shortly follow unless PiS follows Orban and turns into in effectively a single party illiberal state, but their measure of political control isn’t as total as Fidesz it seems based on the last election.

    There’s also undoubtedly an internal game being run within Visegrad between Poland and Ukraine (and other states) in Visegrad being a vehicle for Polish interests and the leadership role of the Poles.

    • Replies: @AP
  122. GD says:

    Great read.
    I don’t know jack about Russia outside of knowing my Great great grandfather got invited to the Amber Room during the Crimean War

  123. sher singh says:

    Needs updating, was looking for Karlin sword pic for meme:

    Top text Russia today is a country where Swords

    Bottom text Are in Need of Singhs

    Support Knife law reform now @VVP

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  124. AP says:
    @Doom

    This is all predicated on Poland NOT going gay and globohomo in the next 10 years, which it is on track for. Isn’t support for LGBT degeneracy something like 60% among under 35s?

    If this is your problem, than Russia is not far behind Poland:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/rainbow-ascendant/

    17% of Russians support gay marriage. Up from 5% in 2015:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/28/where-europe-stands-on-gay-marriage-and-civil-unions/

    Acceptance of refugees will shortly

    Baseless assertion. Czechia is both very pro-gay and anti-Islam:

    • Replies: @Doom
    , @3g4me
  125. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    They don’t really count as soft power, more a type of hard power, but the Soviet Union also had affiliated Communist parties in the West that were quite politically influential in the post war decades, in France, Italy (this was maybe the biggest, it had more than a million members in the 1950s), Portugal after 1974 etc. Various prominent writers and artists were connected with these parties. The PCF was the biggest party on the French left in the late 40s. Supposedly parts of French school history textbooks were copied from Soviet ones at various times, due to PCF influence among teachers.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  126. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Still the temple is not what it was in the social life of the previous centuries – it’s not the central social space of the city or village as it was historically. It’s more of an institution of only symbolic power, with 3% of public might visit for religious services even in Easter, and maybe 2% of active religious people who re-orient their life by it.

    This is an exaggeration:

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  127. Doom says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    @Yellowface Anon

    The only fundamental truths are evolution (transience), stability and chaos.

    The latter two are not fundamental truths of human relations except in the most generic sense, they’re “truths” on a much broader, larger, more cosmic scale, abstractions so banal as to not be very useful in understanding human relations. The three truths I identified, biology, inequality and power are much more concrete and relevant on the scale of discussing the operation of human societies. These are truths you can organize society around. You can’t organize society around “stability” and “chaos.”

    Ethnicities will evolve as they see fit. They will settle and move, they will consolidate and mix. Same with race.

    Mixture happens on the periphery of cultures and nations. If this is happening in your core, you are being replaced or eliminated. Domestic evolution and innovation is part of the process of general evolution, the struggle for power and an expression of inequality.

  128. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    This PEW survey picture doesn’t match the number of people who are counted in the church. From the church’s official figures, we know the total attendance for one of any of the Easter services is around 3% of the population, maybe 3,5% in the highest years.

    And you can crossmatch the Church’s figures, with the information released by the interior ministry.

    For example, in Easter eve (one of the important services of Easter) this year, there was around 1% of the public attending – obviously numbers are lower this year than normal for the pandemic. ( https://mvdmedia.ru/news/official/sotrudniki-mvd-rossii-obespechili-pravoporyadok-i-bezopasnost-na-paskhalnykh-meropriyatiyakh/?sphrase_id=135306 )

    Monthly attendance services seem to be around 1,4% of self-identifying orthodox public ( https://takiedela.ru/2017/04/takaya-rossiya-cerkov/ )

    In absolute numbers, it’s still a lot of people (millions of people is a lot to manage for security public events, more than any sports events). But relative to the total population of country, it’s really not a significant proportion who are involved.

    By the way, that doesn’t mean the Church is not powerful in Russia or useful for the authorities – it’s both wealthy, centralized and powerful, and semi-official part of the state-capacity. But its direct ability for managing the life of people is pretty limited.

    More it can be used as a kind of indirect or symbolic role that influences the wider culture of the far larger number people who are not actively part of the religious community, but have distant religious affiliation.

    • Replies: @AP
  129. Doom says:
    @AP

    If this is your problem, than Russia is not far behind Poland:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/rainbow-ascendant/

    17% of Russians support gay marriage. Up from 5% in 2015:

    You’re correct, Russia is probably 10-20 years behind Poland, but with the added benefit of a committed anti-LGBT government and laws already in place. Poland’s path on resisting LGBT etc. will be much more difficult (already is) because of its integration into the Western cultural sphere. It would be interesting to see how attitudes in Ukraine have changed since 2014 where they were at the same level as Russia, but I haven’t found any sources on that.

    Baseless assertion. Czechia is both very pro-gay and anti-Islam

    Show me the youth statistics. My belief is that this is a transitory phenomenon as the generations change and those brought up under convenient, modern, EU-inspired living take over. Poles have shifted from majority anti-refugee to majority pro-refugee since 2015, although most of that is due to the massive influx of Ukrainian “refugees,” I’m confident that there’s also been a general uptick in the acceptance of refugees in general because it’s what we see in the youth of Czechia.

    https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/young-czechs-and-slovaks-differ-over-lgbt-issues-immigration-and-drugs

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/09/23/poland-has-among-biggest-increases-in-public-acceptance-of-migrants-finds-international-poll/

    There’s no real way around it, unless you have “street radicals” ala Azov, Tradition and Order etc. (and even that might not be enough) any increase in integration with the West will come with a collective basket of social changes, i.e. increased secularism, materialism, individualism, egalitarianism and suicidal cultural openness.

    Intermarium might die before it ever even has a chance.

    • Replies: @AP
  130. Vox Day has an interesting take on the “crackdown” on the Chinese tech giants:

    https://voxday.net/2021/09/29/kneecapping-the-tech-giants/

    I’m not certain I agree with him. However, I’m at a point where if someone like Xi or Putin does something to piss off George Soros and his elite class of parasites, it probably the right thing to do.

    I’m way too much of an “Ayn Rand” libertarian for some of Vox’s stuff. However, if it comes to a war between the globalists (who are really not free market people at all, but rent-seeking oligarchs and, therefor, parasites) and nationalists, I’ll take the nationalist’s side any day of the week.

  131. Bashibuzuk says:
    @rttrt

    Yep, exactly.

    That was my reaction as well (see my comment # 29 above.

  132. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    Although with the “cool kids” in the West, direct political content exported from the USSR seems to have become mostly unfashionable quite soon in the Cold War – and by the Hungarian uprising (1956) even Sartre was opposing the USSR.

    In terms of the export of the mass culture, aside from Warsaw Pact countries, I think Soviet mass culture had temporary influence in China and perhaps some other parts of the third world (Arab countries? Africa? Israel? Cuba? India?).

    I was surprised to know that in India Pavel Bazhov’s “Malachite box” is a very popular book, so perhaps this is an example of evidence of Soviet softpower export in the Indian mass/popular culture.

  133. Mr. Hack says:
    @Dmitry

    Now if Karlin could only brilliantly learn how to increase the time that Bashibuzuk is allowed to fritter away at this blogsite. Five minutes/per day just isn’t enough. Case in point, just take a closer look at how ingenuously Bashibuzuk is able to detect another Russian Deep state conspiracy being perpetrated in comment #110. If he were allowed at least a full 10 minutes, he could actually fill in all of the needed details to make sense of his observation, and details there are, he doesn’t just make this kind of stuff up, y’know. 🙂

  134. @Anatoly Karlin

    The Kavkav provided pinecone jam, which I have tried, and is sort of like a maple syrup…if it was made out of pinecones instead of maple blood.

    Regardless, Ура!

    Things are really looking up. Long term, I wonder what Putin will try to set up to follow him. Will it be a Nationalist Managed Republic as it currently is, with some kind of preselected passing of central leadership or will it eventually transition into a pseudo (or even literal) monarchy?

  135. Serious question for anyone can help me – who is ignorant of the situation. Based on this piece – Why is there preference in Russia for migration/citizenship for Kazhaks vs the other “stan” countries that were part of the USSR? Is it just because they are direct neighbors to Russia?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Mr. Hack
  136. Mr. Hack says:
    @Dmitry

    I tend to agree with your assessments here, both about the somewhat garish appearance (“not in a very beautiful way) of the new Cathedral, and that as a functioning home of living the faith, it’ll probably fall short of expectations (‘very limited for managing the country’s social life”). I’m not quite sure how many smaller Orthodox churches are being built in Russia, but if it’s anything like in Ukraine, it’s quite a few. Smaller churches will be the locomotive for evangelizing the gospels, and allowing communities to live their faith organically as one. The TV megachurch future will not work in Russia. Good comment!

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  137. @showmethereal

    … Kazakhs (43,000 – of which most would have been of ethnic Russians)

    Most Kazakhs emigrating to Russia are ethnic Russians.

    Since Kazakhstan has about the same GDP per capita as Russia, ethnic Kazakhs actually have little economic motive to go there.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  138. Mr. Hack says:
    @showmethereal

    There was always a large Russian minority in Kazakhstan would be be my guess.

  139. @songbird

    It’s not really a terrible percentage in the context of things. Nuclear is an amazing energy resource, but it is very heavy in initial costs and it isn’t exactly “flexible” in its current stage. Modular reactors and such aside. If a country has plentiful, and almost as importantly, controllable resources that are cheaper and already available with current infrastructure, they remain a solid investment. America would be foolish to abandon coal when it has so much, just as Russia needn’t switch from coal and gas (oil generally is better as an end-scale product or vehicle fuel), to predominantly nuclear.

    Anyhow, France did the right thing in going plurality nuclear as it wanted genuine energy independence in a way it could not have with any other fuel source, but France just doesn’t have much else and “renewables” (I like to say that nuclear is very much a renewable resource, on a long enough timeline), still aren’t efficient enough to power a reasonable national industry. Russia doesn’t need to yet. Surely if ever the time comes or profit margins determine it, Russia is better placed than most to rapidly go nuclear. If even Moscow were put at 100% nuclear (if not already) that would probably clear up a healthy chunk of the percentage points.

  140. @Mr. Hack

    As I pointed out, historic churches neglected or dynamited under the USSR are being restored or reconstructed all over Russia, including links to the travel reports I wrote for various cities which all contain examples of this within.

  141. @Mersaux

    I would say a lack of nationalism combined with low birthrates is meaningful as it means the population in question is likely going to be screwed over and replaced. This is the case for many (Western influenced) countries.

    Russia’s TFR has been rising strongly (tragic that this is a rise) which is a sign that the social and economic environment IS promising a future for the Russian people, and the political environment of Nationalism will ensure that future can truly belong to Russians. This will mean higher birthrates as time goes on, especially given the state and eventually wider social polemics about the sanctity and value of larger families, and the natural process of breeders becoming a larger percentage of the population.

    Of course, being a breeder in America still means one is competing against millions strong imports. The highest TFR in the world wouldn’t mean anything if the flood gates were open. Imagine Israel’s Haredis trying to compete against a continent of Africans!

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  142. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    From the church’s official figures, we know the total attendance for one of any of the Easter services is around 3% of the population, maybe 3,5% in the highest years

    You are right. Thank you fore the additional information. However this source claims 6% off Russians go to church several times monthly

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/29/russians-are-not-waiting-for-a-church-boom-a65792

    while 4.3 million Russians came to church for Easter in 2019. About 3% of the total population or 4.7% of Russia’s Christians.

    PEW matches the first figure but not the second (Easter attendance). I find it odd that more people attend church regularly than attend for Easter.

    Meanwhile in Ukraine attendance for Easter was nearly 7 million (in 2018, before Covid):

    https://www.ukrinform.ru/rubric-society/2437931-v-pashalnyh-bogosluzeniah-prinali-ucastie-bolee-68-milliona-veruusih.html

    Lviv oblast had about 40% people at church as all of Russia.

    No wonder the Russian Church is so desperate to hold onto Ukraine – it is where more of the actual believers are.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  143. AP says:
    @Doom

    You’re correct, Russia is probably 10-20 years behind Poland, but with the added benefit of a committed anti-LGBT government and laws already in place.

    Laws and government reflect the population’s wishes. Poland’s current government also isn’t pro-gay. Russia’s policies will change as the population becomes more pro-gay.

    Poland’s path on resisting LGBT etc. will be much more difficult (already is) because of its integration into the Western cultural sphere.

    This can also prompt a backlash. There seem to be more anti-gay demonstrations now than there were years ago.

    It would be interesting to see how attitudes in Ukraine have changed since 2014 where they were at the same level as Russia, but I haven’t found any sources on that.

    The one I linked to showed that in 2015 5% of Russians supported gay marriage while in 2016 9% of Ukrainians did so.

    Poles have shifted from majority anti-refugee to majority pro-refugee since 2015, although most of that is due to the massive influx of Ukrainian “refugees

    As you note, this is meaningless. Refugees in Poland = Ukrainians.

    From your link:

    “One poll in 2017 found that over half (51%) of Poles would rather their country leave the EU than be forced to accept refugees from Muslim countries.”

    I’m confident that there’s also been a general uptick in the acceptance of refugees in general because it’s what we see in the youth of Czechia.

    Why do you assume teenagers will maintain their attitudes? The same article states that Czech 24-29 year olds are much less accepting of Muslims than are teenagers.

  144. Dmitry says:
    @Boomthorkell

    Russia’s TFR has

    The cohort fertility rate is probably not varying much from around 1,6 per woman across the last few decades (and the slavic majority fertility rate will be lower than this).

    In terms of immigration, I agree that there would be longer terms problems avoided to use a strict, selective immigration system, rather than current open borders model. This is most obvious with the problems of Islamic terrorism, but there is also the issue of heroin trafficking networks extending upwards from Central Asia (this is believed to be one of the main causes of the HIV epidemic).

    Open borders policies seem pretty idiotic and short-term thinking to me. But the authorities in Russia are not idiots to say it mildly, and they balance the benefits in the current immigration regime. For example, in the construction industry the lower construction costs will be increasing affordable housing in the country other things equal.

    Compared to Western countries Russia has an anti-immigration advantage of having lower incomes and welfare, so that it will never be the idealized destination for many immigrants, and a lot of the guestworkers dream to return home. In years when the economy is slowing, there can be large outflows of these immigrants, which shows the temporary aspect of some of this immigration.

    Russian culture also has success in the eventual absorption of minority nationalities – according to present trends a lot of the minority nationalities (even Tatars) are actually going to become almost extinct by their absorption into the majority population. So the population is not going to fragment, but the majority rather swallows many of the minority nationalities.

    As for immigration from outside the Russian Federation – from the point of view of Russian state power or national viability, there isn’t much threat at all. But these problem of lowlevel Taliban Tajiks are not most peoples’ ideal neighbours and that’s where you can see carelessness of the authorities and the not filtering of the immigration https://www.e1.ru/text/incidents/2021/09/22/70150343/

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  145. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    Yes in Ukraine/Southern Russia there are more high proportions of church attending people. And if I recall, the much lower numbers in areas like Ural region and maybe some other places (Siberia and Far East?).

    I’m not sure there is any simple explanation – for example, it’s not perfectly looking inverse to income, as high income Moscow seems to have relatively higher numbers of church attending people than many lower income areas. I didn’t know much about this topic though or why there should be.

    • Replies: @Finnishguy78
  146. The question really tends to become, ‘is there ever really an easy out for the Russian people?’

    …or, is their national identity so bound up with Christian passion and religious agony that any such hope, while of course attractive, is ultimately a Chimaera?

    …can there be a solution that is at one and the same time, comfortable and stable, and also Russian?

    To descend to a less exalted plane, won’t some aspects of Russian national identity have to be packed away and bundled off safely to the back of attic if Russia is to be a member in good standing of a fat and placid new world order?

  147. Seraphim says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    People read more than is warranted in the relations of the ‘Sovereign Order of Malta’ with the Russian Federation. The Order is a sovereign entity of international law and maintains diplomatic relations with many countries, including Russia, certainly more ‘sympathetic’ in view of the traditions (widely exaggerated) of the continuation of the Order in Russia after its expulsion from Malta by Napoleon.

  148. Nationalism is like salt in your soup: correct small amount makes it better, large amounts make it inedible. So far Putin walked this tightrope, but a step to either side means catastrophe.

  149. “famous in narrow circles”

    Correct Russian expression is “widely known in narrow circles”.

    AK: Yes, what I was thinking of. Thanks for spotting.

  150. Seraphim says:
    @Dmitry

    Amusing is the link he suggests between Shoigu and the ‘Mad Baron’ von Ungern-Sternberg, Shambala, Order of Malta, Shamanism, Mithraism (all the ‘Traditionalist’ salade a la Dugin).

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  151. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Clash of titans on Russia’s past and present:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/putins-disappearing-act/#comment-4924629

    Great to see Jim Jatras, with his valued knowledge and wisdom.

  152. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I realize that adzhika isn’t tobasco sauce, but they are related. Actually, a good fresh adzhika is better in some ways, don’t you think? I know, it’s thicker and probably not as convenient as a “hot sauce”, but you’re not totally bereft of produce to warm your tongue and tummy, in case the iron curtain ever reappears. Here in the SouthWest, you can make or purchase “Pico de Gallo”. Sure it’s tasty and uniquely highlights lime juice and cillantro, but it wouldn’t win in an all out contest with a good adzhika. BTW, I’ve recently started collecting empty bottles of the many delicious hot sauces that you can now find most anywhere here. The tropical ones are fast becoming some of my favorites. Here’s one for you when you’ve graduated from “tobasco sauce”:

    AK: I’d sooner adzhika to a thicker and saltier salsa.

    [MORE]


    I’ve never tried this one, don’t know if I ever will. 🙂

  153. Yevardian says:
    @AP

    Many of these figures are astoundingly (though unsuprisingly) low, were both men and women surveyed for this poll? It’s a rather important distinction.

    • Replies: @AP
  154. Yevardian says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    These varying takes do have their points, but both are wrong.
    Russia is for the Armenians.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  155. USA1943 says:

    I wish we could trade Presidents Send Biden to be the President of Russia and let Putin be USA’s President

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  156. USA1943 says:
    @Mikhail

    Or Sean Hannity, Hannity is like a more conservative version of Carlson

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Mikhail
  157. @AP

    So your OG Ukrainian nationalists were proto-commies. Good to know.

    • Replies: @AP
  158. Good piece with far more that is correct in it than wrong. Those in control of the West, at the moment, will do everything they can to stop Russia saving the West but they will fail. Who would have thought 30 years ago that it would be a Christian Russia overseeing the dismantling of the degenerate anti-Christian anti-democratic clique controlling the West at the moment. Me for one after seeing how the Russian people rose to the challenge posed by the carpet baggers from that clique that Yeltsin released onto the country like a biblical cloud of locusts.

  159. Dan Hayes says:
    @USA1943

    Hannity is a boorish fool who is a loud-mouth caricature of conservatism/libertarianism!

    • Agree: Mikhail
  160. ebear says:
    @Che Guava

    “Russia dearly needs a turbo-folk revival, or a neo-turbo-folk wave. ”

    You mean like this?

    I think Russians are a bit more sensible.

    Or maybe not.

    [MORE]

    Is this more like what you had in mind?

    • Thanks: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Che Guava
  161. Dan Hayes says:
    @Mikhail

    Tucker knows political reality: And realizes that Russia would be a bridge too far!

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  162. @Dmitry

    Well it is good. Hopefully in future there will be more rodnovery pagans in Russia than christians.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  163. Aeklan says:

    The scenario predicted by the Fatima prophecy of 1917 is unfolding before our very eyes. I myself never imagined that the “errors of Russia” would spread to the United States under the guise of “political correctness”, but it’s happened. The neo-Bolsheviks have even succeeded in hijacking the American presidency!

    Only this prayer will bring lasting peace:

    “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father, send now Your Spirit over the earth.

    Let the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of all nations, that they may be preserved from degeneration, disaster and war.

    May the Lady of All Nations, who once was Mary, be our Advocate.

    Amen.”

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  164. GMC says:
    @AP

    Ukraine is managed by the Globalists that have set up shop there – not Kiev, just like most countries in the West are. They will never leave as long as the breadbasket is a money maker. I’d say Ukraine’s farmland’s enterprises and geographical location { Black Sea} are an important player in the world food monopoly agenda. If you are growing grains , you can feed animals and sell meat products. Obviously, the number of biological labs in Ukraine are shared by the globalists, big pharma and the other other enemy- Zionists.

    The Western globalists took over Ukraine in order to stop Russia and China from becoming strong partners and they used the Nato/Zionist controlled muscle for the Maidan. Russia and China should have stepped in and took control of the situation , the Maidan wasn’t a very strong oppositional movement, and no big army was waiting in western Ukraine to surround Kiev. Big mistake. And since they had invested interests, Russian people, borderland and a huge financial/security situation, they blew it . Neither of them understand how to deal with the western snakes. Now the snakes will dictate their policy to Kiev and screw Russia, every chance they get. Nope, Ukraine ain’t going back to any sovereignty, for a long long time.

    • Agree: Robjil, Biff
    • Thanks: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @AP
  165. Cutler says:
    @Alfa158

    Zemfort1983 a Russian blogger who has lots of demographic posts believes Russian Births will increase to around 2 million by the mid to late 2020’s as this smaller cohort passes on, He estimate a tfr of 2.1 iirc late 2020’s

  166. Wielgus says:

    Russian police fabricate cases against Antifa rather than for them, according to this article. Going out on a limb here, but maybe police should not be fabricating cases against anybody, even if you happen to dislike them.

    • Replies: @dbreen
  167. @Mr. Hack

    Question answered by the Dostoevsky quote here. “Ukraine for Ukrainians” is a contradiction in terms – a Ukraine for Ukrainians will also be one for Russians by default (and vice versa).

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  168. @AP

    “What specifically was wrong about the article?”
    Bit too long? Could be edited a little?

  169. @Vishnugupta

    “I think in hindsight US victory over the USSR in the cold war was a phyrric victory.”
    There was no US “victory”. The USSR needed no US “help” to come apart at the seams. The USSR dissolved due to its own internal contradictions — the primary one being that most “Russians” including many in the Party had simply ceased to believe in “the Party”.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  170. @AP

    Laws and government reflect the population’s wishes. Poland’s current government also isn’t pro-gay.

    I consider this to be plain wrong, sorry. 17% of American zoomers did not just randomly start identifying as LGBT after decades of such positions consistently polling 3%. The media made it “cool.” PiS might not be pro-gay, but large parts of the Polish media are, and certainly so is the greater Western memesphere into which Poland has become embedded.

    Poland and Russia were similarly pro/anti-LGBT c.2010. Then the elites of one country decided to make it into a wedge issue and forced that vision through with the help of propaganda, while the other country remained subject to the overall Western Zeitgeist, some largely symbolic and reactionary protests from its conservatives regardless. Incidentally, right this moment, multiple conservative Polish regions are rushing to disavow their prior puffing and posturing about being “LGBT free zones” because the EU has decided to get serious about cutting off their gibs.

    Another example: Ukrainians were less pro-LGBT than Russians before 2014. Now, polls, says they’re somewhat more-LGBT. (Though both at very low levels). Another demonstration of this. It’s not a popular topic within grassroots society, but certainly something that’s very energetically pushed by American NGOs.

    Note that I’m not actually overly obsessed with this issue or think it is something that is very important, Israel after all is an unapologetically nationalist state with extensive LGBT rights, but so far people who do consider this as important are concerned, integration into the Western memesphere and geopolitical space makes their completely unviable long-term.

    The same article states that Czech 24-29 year olds are much less accepting of Muslims than are teenagers.

    I would characterize Czechs as “hipster racists” whereas Poles are much more like old school American or Irish conservatives.

    Strong focus on religious conservatism makes them expend limited political capital on Down’s Syndrome babies while Catholic universalism opens them up to potentially unlimited immigration from Africa and the like (so long as they are based Christians). I have posted before how Poland is the most “race-blind” of the V4 (and Russia).

    Czech model might be more sustainable, but I’m not fully sure. The racist views of the hipster racists might become unhandshakeworthy to their hipster non-racist colleagues in Berlin and San Francisco. Czechia is a small country that’s completely embedded within Western geopolitical and memetic space, pretty clear how that will turn out.

    Ultimately, my guess is that long-term, the Hungarian model will be more sustainable, and the Russian one even more so on account of Russia’s extra advantages of geopolitical sovereignty and scale.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Showmethereal
  171. @Doom

    “Any state that aspires on its own to buck “Americanism/Anglo culture” in favor of genuine nationalism, whether that is Ukraine or even Germany, will be driven into the ground with the full force of international (READ “Anglo-Jewish”) economic and political pressure. ”
    Patience. The “West” is doing its own “USSR” thing. Although, the timing may get critical……
    “Lastly, the cold truth that power is all, that freedom is either a lie for the masses or a dangerous luxury (like fire, useful in limited amounts, destructive in excess) for the elite, that has utility (insofar as it spurs innovation) in the pursuit of power, but is always subordinate to power and the struggle for survival; this is necessary to stigmatize the appeal of “freedom” for the masses, which is as unhealthy as letting a child live off chocolate alone. ”
    Naturally “power” is fundamental. However, the repudiation of a commitment to freedom is dangerous in the extreme. Liberties are a necessary counter balance to the tendency of power to corrupt. To extend the food analogy — denying the practical & moral utility of freedom is akin to opening the blood banks to vampires.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Doom
    , @sher singh
  172. @Alfa158

    Would that 200 million be from reintegrating Ukraine or immigration from the Caucasus?

    Russia ~150M, Belarus ~10M, LDNR ~4M, much more speculatively, Ukraine ~20M (if Novorossiya reintegrated) or ~35M if Ukraine as a whole, so if Crimea wasn’t a one-off, could get final numbers anywhere from 160M to 200M.

    I don’t expect significant natural population growth (or decrease) over the course of the century. Probably current slow decline will flip to slow growth during the later part of the century due to the breeder effect.

    The Caucasus is largely demographically “stabilized”. Certainly any huge immigrant influx will not stem from there, only region that can still generate that is Central Asia. I don’t think we’ll see that.

  173. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Seraphim

    Well, around a decade ago, Shoigu took a keen interest in the archeological digs of an ancient Uyghur khaganate fortress located on a Tuvan island.

    https://russian.rt.com/science/article/753333-krepost-por-bazhyn

    While now the archeologists have apparently come to the conclusion that the site was most probably a Manichean monastery, probably abandoned soon after its completion, at the time the nature of the site was far from being clear.

    I remember reading an article in some Russian daily, which cited Shoigu saying that Tuvan tradition associated the place with the “Northern entrance to Shambhala”.

    Shoigu also seems simultaneously keenly attached to his Tuvan roots:

    and the bygone days of the Russian Empire, as demonstrated recently by a picture taken of his passport cover:

    And he was personally involved in building the Cathedral of the Armed Forces, with its wild unorthodox eclecticism which seems so pleasant to AK.

    So Shoigu is a complex person, with interesting personal beliefs well accorded to his Eurasian personality.

    Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Sergei Kozhugetovich was secretly having a soft spot for the “mad baron “, despite Shoigu mother being of Jewish extraction.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  174. Doom says:
    @AP

    Laws and government reflect the population’s wishes. Poland’s current government also isn’t pro-gay. Russia’s policies will change as the population becomes more pro-gay.

    Not really, the “population’s wishes” are malleable. Laws and government are determined by which groups organize, mobilize and push their agenda the hardest with the most passion. If the masses “decided” the future of a country, Western countries would not have transformed from ethno states in the 70s into glorified deluxe refugee camps now. Powerful lobbies and groups with special, even radical, but passionate interests are what shape national futures. The masses only express the decisions already made for them.

    This brings us to the next point.

    This can also prompt a backlash. There seem to be more anti-gay demonstrations now than there were years ago.

    Possibly, but it hasn’t stopped the growth of Pride Parades or its cultural normalization. Based on wikipedia, 2019 saw 50,000 participants, up from just a few thousand a decade ago. At this rate, they’re on pace to surpass the Polish national march which tops out at 80,000 or so participants.

    The one I linked to showed that in 2015 5% of Russians supported gay marriage while in 2016 9% of Ukrainians did so.

    I’m looking for more recent data, c.2020-2021 to chart shifts in culture. As in the example with Poland, pride parades in Ukraine were contested in the mid 2010s after the maidan and attracted a few hundred participants. This year’s was uncontested and the biggest ever and had IIRC 10,000 attendees. A worrisome trend.

    Why do you assume teenagers will maintain their attitudes? The same article states that Czech 24-29 year olds are much less accepting of Muslims than are teenagers.

    Because it’s part of a generational cultural shift with powerful institutional factors at work and not just a transient fad. And also because your optimistic view that “wisdom comes with age” has been proven consistently wrong as exemplified by the broad and massive (insane) cultural changes that have universally swept the West as the youth of 20 years ago have grown up WITH their manufactured worldviews intact. Certainly, this is a big lesson Evangelicals in the US have learned in the last 15 years, the kids of the 2000s never grew out of their gay acceptance.

    • Replies: @AP
  175. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    Nice joke. That’s like saying that the people raising Russian literacy rates prior to Bolshevism were proto-Commies.

    Unless it’s a reference to Ukrainian SRs bring “proto-Commies.” In which case, one could conclude that most Russians were a type of Commie, given that in Russia the most popular party were the (Russian) SRs.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  176. @kzn

    Any team can be beaten at any given time in a cup competition. One of the great things about the old European Cup was that many different teams would win. Now it is about concentration of dollars. Real Madrid winning has more to do with how football dollars are allocated in Spain rather than Spain’s economic success. I might not know much about the inner workings of Europe – but I do know about football – LOL. Leicester City won the EPL a few hears ago. In this day and age that is just a fluke.

    Again I pretty much know nothing about the Ukraine economy (which is why I read stuff like this) – but I wouldnt use football as a measure of economic sucess versus Russia.

  177. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Yevardian

    Looking at the Moskvamartan elites today, I have to absolutely agree with your take.

    Given the proportion of local worthies of Armenian and/or Jewish background there, it sure looks like an Ara Kibbutz.

    Would be a done deal, if not for the Azeri (mainly Gorski Jewish) influence somewhat balancing the score.

    Perhaps we should see it as “inclusive nationalism” (innationalism for short) at work, as Egor Prosvirnin would have it: “the friendship of 666 ethnicities “…

    Thanks goodness for the diversity being RusFed’s strength!

    RusFed “not only for Russians” indeed.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  178. Doom says:
    @animalogic

    Naturally “power” is fundamental. However, the repudiation of a commitment to freedom is dangerous in the extreme. Liberties are a necessary counter balance to the tendency of power to corrupt. To extend the food analogy — denying the practical & moral utility of freedom is akin to opening the blood banks to vampires.

    I understand the concern and to flesh it out a bit more, I’m not advocating a society of clones, rather that for the 80%, freedom is not the overarching prime social directive that it is in our liberal societies; that other principles such as the fundamental truths I listed previously and other things like duty to the success and cohesion of the community, and a spiritual commitment to a cosmic moral order supercede any sort of liberty fetishization.

    As for power and the corruption it brings, it’s essentially an unavoidable aspect of the human condition, that can be at most tempered by a strong sense of the aforementioned cosmic moral order (religion, the sacralization of the evolutionary concept etc.) and the society valuing the cohesion and power of the group identity above individual power (which further reinforces the need to displace the concept of liberty and individualism as guiding lights of moral conduct).

  179. @Bashibuzuk

    Russian (pseudo-)nationalists: Simonyan stole my vodka.

    Number of citizenships Russia gave out to Somalis this year so far: 0. (zero)

    It’s good to keep winning.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  180. sher singh says:
    @animalogic

    You’re gay.

    https://archive.is/8coSw – Liberation Means Subservience To Progressive-Approved Identities

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  181. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Does President Putin govern the Russian Federation on the basis of maximizing public recovery and distribution of Location Value Rent?

    Has he read Progress and Poverty by Henry George?

    If so, how recently?

    What are Putin’s opinions regarding the politics and economics of the Swiss Confederation?

  182. @Doom

    Well i dont watch russian television but i watch RT and a couple vlogs. My wife has a couple Russian coworkers thqt she gets along with very well. Ome plans to retire back to Russia as she still has her apartment – so i always took it as a sign that Russia has improved a lot. We were supposed to go to the 2018 World Cup but didnt make it.
    But the other day we were watching this nice vlog and the girls is in the Far East capital of Vladi…. The video is nice until she gets to an amusement park and every single song is an American song. What?!?!? My wife actually even pointed it out before me. I am just hoping this was maybe just a short segment of loop of songs and not what they play all the time. I dont understand Russian but I would prefer to hear them playing Russian music.

    • Replies: @Wency
    , @Dmitry
  183. @Aeklan

    Time also for Popcorn Communion—- “Pop it with Your Holy Heat –Make it good enough to Eat!”

  184. Mikhail says: • Website
    @USA1943

    Or Sean Hannity, Hannity is like a more conservative version of Carlson

    On foreign policy, Hannity is a more neocon version of Carlson.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  185. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Dan Hayes

    Tucker knows political reality: And realizes that Russia would be a bridge too far!

    There’re signs that’s changing a bit with examples like a recent Rand report on post-Soviet Russian foreign policy and Ted Galen Carpenter’s National Interest articles on Ukraine.

    The aforementioned pieces are in the Captain Obvious, no shit Sherlock category, while simultaneously going against the still predominate neocon, neolib and flat out Russia hating factors.

    Enough wiggle room for Tucker IMO.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  186. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Herein lies the whole problem. Even if you consider that in the early medieval period, what we know of as Russians and Ukrainians today were “brotherly”, you have to ask yourelf why did they have so many separate principalities (homes). And quite often these homes were a war with one another. Most everybody stayed at home, until the next war or pillage took place. Even today, when Ukrainians decide to move to Russia, usually only for job opportunities, there still needs to be paperwork filled out and a reviewal process. It’s true, some Russians feel that “Ukraine for the Russians” gives them the pretext to foment war, ripoff territory etc.

    Also, there’s always that little ugly matter where for Ukrainians, taking up residence in Russia means leaving their ability to create schools and churches in their own language, they need to abandon such hopes at the border crossing, which only really goes to show you that Russia is only for Russians (not Ukrainians) and its slowly becoming the same way in Ukraine too. They’re two separate peoples that need their own separate homes. Even in real life, real brothers need their own homes, including locks on doors and separate keys. Right?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  187. Tom67 says:
    @Mersaux

    Not only that. As I mentioned before the “Russian” birth rate is meaningless as it is not Russian at all. The average hides the fact that the ethnic Russian birth rate is much, much lower than the birthrate of mainly Muslim minorities. Figures are notoriously hard to come by as that is not a fact that Russian authorities like to advertise. Just like the governments of GB, France, Germany or Sweden. Best guestimates have all Muslim minorities (without migrants) at 13%. But military age young man are certainly more than 20%. And that percentage will quickly increase as ethnic Russian women born in the Eighties are leaving child birth age. In the Nineties there were only half as many ethnic Russian women born. Russian muslims as a rule look down upon Russian men as the latter tend to drink to much and don´t take care of their families. It is pure fantasy to think that they identify with “Russians”. In reality there is an ethnic shift going on that is accelerating. In the Caucasus republics there is slow motion below the radar ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians. Okrug after okrug even in majority Russian regions like Stavropol are turning Muslim.
    In the Tartar republic the ethnic shift is peaceful. Just Russians dying out and young people moving to the cities and Muslims replacing them. All of the above will create great problems down the line. I think it will happen when people to full of their “Russianness” like Karlin will take the reign. Not only will their Russian nationalism inevitably evoke a Muslim response but they will also be confronted with the results of a declining birth rate. A single child male having grown up in front of a computer from Moscow or one of the other big cities is no match for a Muslim big family kid from the countryside. It will be Afghanistan again. Only more quickly
    The alternative might be that the Russian upper crust decides to use a Muslim pretorian guard to keep order in the ethnic Russian heartland. Just like the Chechens are doing now in parts of Syria.
    It is less likely but not impossible. They would thereby find gainful employment for the Muslims and also keep young Russians down. After all it´s much eaier to pacify them. It is the same logic that is at work with BLM

  188. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Tolyan, stop being racist already and embrace RusFed’s diversity !

    [MORE]

    There ‘s a place for everyone in today’s RusFed.

    And we should not forget about Russian Empire’s greatest poetry genius being of African descent.

    Although I personally prefer Yessenin for obvious reasons.

    As I wrote earlier, to each his own…

  189. @USA1943

    Biden is a puppet. When Biden goes, most of his staff will likely be around for the hooker in chief. We should get past the point of blaming the dementia suffering dope from MBNA. Also Russia has historically suffered long enough, let them keep Putin. We on the other hand are doomed. Can anyone think of anybody who can save this mess of a country?

  190. sher singh says:
    @Tom67

    Muslims tend to have 0.5-1 more kid in terms of TFR compared to their regional/national peers.
    You can lit google it and a Rural Muslim should be compared to a Rural Russian ie a Rodnovor.

    The secession of the Caucasus is fully dependent on how many Grads will hit Grozny, IOW will.
    If you said at current growth rates, a majority Muslim Russia in few centuries, sure. Decades? No.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  191. @Tom67

    A single child male having grown up in front of a computer from Moscow or one of the other big cities is no match for a Muslim big family kid from the countryside. It will be Afghanistan again. Only more quickly

    What kind of strange fantasy is this?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  192. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Tom67

    Agree with what you wrote, except for this one paragraph:

    I think it will happen when people to full of their “Russianness” like Karlin will take the reign.

    1) Karlin is not an ethnic Russian in the common sense of the term, he is more of what Galkovskyites would call a Noviop (you are possibly familiar with the term). Which explains why he so strongly despises Galkovsky and why he is against ethnic Slav nationalism.

    2) Russian nationalists will never take power in RusFed. As you wrote, RusFed will probably end up as Roman Latin and Persian Empires ended: slow erosion of the Slav ethnic foundation on which it was built and elite replacement by more aggressive and cohesive ethnic groups.

    I mean, Putin’s sons have a half Turkic mother, Shoigu and Sobyanin are not Slavs at all etc.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  193. Thea says:

    Thank you for taking the time to write and post this.

    I feel genuine Mitfreude towards Russia and the Russian people. It gives one hope that Americans can embrace their Americanness and accept that a group of people has a an essence. A meaningful connection to one another and to the land.

    Thus also shows that the hope for white Americans is not in migrating to Russia unless one is ethnically Russian. We have to work together to solve problems here or we are useless.

    We have to be the ones to fix our mess that we’ve made for our grandchildren.

  194. Seraphim says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    What sort of passport is this? It doesn’t look like a Russian passport.And who published it?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  195. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    He is basically right. Russian Zoomers are way softer than we were in the early 90ies. DICh and Tuvan youths are wreaking havoc in the conscript army and literally enslaving and abusing their ethnic Slav colleagues. Young Russian women often see DICh guys as strong males and ethnic Russians as weak. And ethnic Slavic birth rates are indeed abysmal, while diverse rate are sky high. There’s something rotten in the Kingdom of RusFed…

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @LatW
  196. @Tom67

    Those who want a statistically-informed analysis on Russia/Muslim demographics over these weird rants can go here:

    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/from-russia-to-russabia/

    Or they can peruse regional TFRs here: https://fedstat.ru/indicator/55407

    Russia as a whole in 2020: 1.5. Tatarstan and Bashkortostan: Both 1.5. Those are the titular republics of Russia’s two biggest Muslim ethnicities. Dagestan and Ingushetia: 1.8-1.9. The one real “outlier”, Chechnya: 2.6. With 1% of Russia’s population, they are surely going take over any day now.

    Also a reminder that a decade ago the same sorts of people who think Tatars are a fish sauce (“Tartar republic“) were predicting a million Russians dying of AIDS per year and that half the Russian Army would be Muslim by 2020.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  197. @AP

    Yes, I mean the SRs. Certainly the Russian SRs were proto-commies, terrorists, and godless nihilists, but more interested in their idealization of the peasantry than in the proles. And it was the SRs who made way for the Bolsheviks. Outflanking revolutionaries on the left is an effective strategy.

    • Replies: @AP
  198. Putin is the only true leader and statesman on the world stage and stands alone among pedofiles, liars, and deep state globalist new world order one world government shills of their zionist overlords.

    By the way , Putin is clearing Syria of Israels and the ZUS AL CIADA aka ISIS aka mercenaries of the greater Israel project.

    • Agree: republic
  199. @Bashibuzuk

    Just a reminder that Bashibuzuk has previously stated that he emigrated to one of the most liberal and “GloboHomo” countries in the world, one which is “replacing” its indigenous population at a rate of ~1% per year through mass immigration. Which is perfectly fine with me, don’t get me wrong, but casual readers deserve some perspective regarding his demonstrated (as opposed to rhetorical) attitudes towards “noviopism.”

    I don’t “oppose” Slav nationalism because there is no “Slav nation” so any “Slav nationalism” cannot amount to anything much more than a costumed larp (which is perfectly fine, cosplay can be fun). Even Belarusian nationalism (zmagarism) makes infinitely more sense than “Slav nationalism.” Also, a note that Galkovsky is not a nationalist, having consistently denied being one. Though yes, as I have remarked, it is amusing how some Russian nationalists are so besotted with a person who believes most of their history is fake.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @Bashibuzuk
    , @IR
  200. @Bashibuzuk

    The logic from what I’ve inferred of your post is that to save the Slavic people, they have to spiritually and mentally transform into Chechens.

    You see that there seems to be some sort of contradiction in that.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  201. @AltSerrice

    I feel the same way. I was always interested in Russia from a young age. Living there from autumn of 2014 until summer 2020 I can confirm what has been said here on this subject. The Russian state has its challenges and problems, but it constantly working to fix them. I admire that. The same cannot be said by America. I look forward to returning to Russia in a few weeks to complete my master’s degree. The scholarship offered me by the Russian Ministry of education proves to me they’re more invested in my future than my own government. I can attribute my overwhelmingly positive experience in Russia to assimilation into Russian culture as best as a guy from Montana can. That’s why so many people called me “Наш человек”. It’s interesting how all of the trolls on any article about Russia here on Unz write the same drivel, which can be boiled down to immature insults. They hate it because they cannot manipulate or control it.

  202. Mevashir says:

    https://youtu.be/qRT-wYSKcTA
    Been listening to this wonderful Russian folkmusic. Your music has soul, unlike horrible Americant music that is soulless vulgar and insipid.

    I hope the Nova-Rossiya experiment succeeds. Perhaps one day you will consider liberating American from ZOG and making us a Russian protectorate.

    https://youtu.be/-f87mz9SwOY
    Can you tell me if the Russian word Ой in this song is similar to the Yiddish word OY?

  203. @Anatoly Karlin

    Who do you, personally, consider to be “Russians”? Ethnolinguistic Russians, “Russkie”, or all Russian citizens, including Tatars, Bashkirs, Ukrainians, Jews, Chechens, Buryats, Kazakhs, etc, “Rossianiye”?

  204. dbreen says:
    @Wielgus

    Not one antifa would do anything but laugh if the boot was on the other foot.
    Not one.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  205. Putin is the only true statesman on the world stage and stands alone among pedofiles, liars, and globalist communist shills and is the savior of Syria from Israels and the ZUS mercenaries AL CIADA aka ISIS and their greater Israel project.

    • Agree: republic
  206. sher singh says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-18.7/page-1.html

    National policy is to fund & preserve all forms of diversity if it’s this one. So Idk,
    Salo pointed out that the most Ultra Nat Croats are from the GTA.

    @Chieh Rodnavera would make Slavs more eugenic & clannish than Chechens. Over 1mil in Rus/Ukr

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  207. @Aedib

    Orlov did a post on that on his site and unlike most of his posts it can be read without subscribing to his Patreon.

    https://cluborlov.wordpress.com/2021/09/28/global-gas-wars-the-fun-has-just-begun/

    • Thanks: Aedib
  208. @Mevashir

    I’m not a native Russian speaker, but “oi” is an exclamation in multiple languages, including Australian, Bengali, and, yes, Russian.

    For example, “ona oiknula”, “she exclaimed” or “she cried out”.

    I don’t see any need to hypothesise a relationship to Judaism in that.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  209. @USA1943

    I understand your sentiment, but that wouldn’t fix America’s many problems. Honestly, the US needs an even stronger and more authoritarian president than Putin to drain the swamp and deport millions of illegal aliens. America is losing its identity and its wealth is being inflated away. The sad truth is that the American project is dead. No one has the courage or motivation to address its problems. Too many people are making too much money to care. It’s running on fumes now. Whereas Russia is resurgent. A ship can’t turn around on a dime.

  210. AP says:
    @GMC

    Ukraine is managed by the Globalists that have set up shop there – not Kiev, just like most countries in the West are

    You probably my read too much of the Saker or believe too much in American omnipotence. Believing that events in Ukraine were the work of the CIA is a bit like believing America won World War II.

    Ukraine is controlled by its own oligarchs, who find it necessary to take into account the population’s wishes, thereby doing a little dance where they take care of their own interests without going so far as to get overthrown. Most of the Ukrainian people, particularly with Crimea and Donbas gone, want a Westward orientation and the oligarchs ride that wave. The most popular country and model in Ukraine right now is Poland, not Russia. Nor Germany or the western EU.

    Ethnic Ukrainians consistently seek separation from Russia. Because Russia is a lot bigger, this means Ukrainians naturally seek allies abroad. They could be Austrians, Poles, Germans, Americans, etc. This is no different from Poles allying with Napoleon, or American colonists seeking and getting French sponsorship against Britain, or Churchill allying with Stalin. Hence we get bizarre ideas by Russian nationalists that Ukraine is a Polish, Nazi, Zionist, Hapsburg etc. plot.

    The Western globalists took over Ukraine

    Lol, many Ukrainians would like some Western oversight over their oligarchs. But alas, Ukraine is run by locals such as Kolomoysky, Tymoshenko, Poroshenko, etc. who at least orient Ukraine (in accordance with its population’s wishes) towards the West. They replaced Yanukovich who had taken a Russia-oriented approach.

    the Maidan wasn’t a very strong oppositional movement, and no big army was waiting in western Ukraine to surround Kiev

    The Maidan was supported by about 40% of the population, Yanukovich by 25% of the population. But his support was fairly soft while his opponents were passionate. The army was neutral and nonfunctional. The police seemed to have sided with the local populations (police in the West and Center were deserting towards Maidan, those in Donbas and Crimea far from the capital were loyalists). The capital itself was heavily pro-Maidan – in Kiev, Yanukovich’s supporters were outnumbered 5:1. Yanukovich had no choice but to flee; he probably could have taken a stand in Donbas but instead fled to Kharkiv where he had less of a power base, and then to Russia instead.

    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @GMC
  211. Mevashir says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Perhaps all these cultures derive it from the Hebrew Bible:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oy_vey
    https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2823.htm

    Proverbs 23:29:
    כט לְמִי אוֹי לְמִי אֲבוֹי לְמִי מדונים (מִדְיָנִים) לְמִי שִׂיחַ לְמִי פְּצָעִים חִנָּם;
    לְמִי חַכְלִלוּת עֵינָיִם.
    29 Who crieth: ‘Woe‘? [OY] who: ‘Alas‘? [AVOY] who hath contentions? who hath raving? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?

    [MORE]

    https://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/920302_Oy_Vay.html
    We can learn a lot about people from how they give expression to feelings of shock or sorrow. Different cultures have formulated a variety of quasi-verbal ways of instinctively reacting to distressing situations. In some cases it will be through an obscenity or blasphemy. Among Jews however there are two expressions which are most familiar to us. Ashkenazic Jews will cry “Oy vey!” whereas Sepharadim will blurt out the very similar-sounding “Way, way!”

    The “vey” component of “oy vey” exists in German as well (“weh”), and might have entered Yiddish from there–though, as we shall observe below, this is not necessarily so. The “oy” however does not seem traceable to any outside source. This seems to hold true as well of the “Way” of North African Jews, which does not (insofar as my inquiries have revealed so far) show up in the vernacular languages of their Muslim neighbours. These facts invite further investigation.

    “Oy” is actually an old and authentic Hebrew word. It appears with some frequency in the Bible, where it is usually rendered in English as “woe!” It is not always spoken by Jews, and hence we find such scenes as that in 1 Samuel 4:7-8, in which the Philistines are depicted as crying “Oy!” in confused anticipation of an Israelite attack.

    In the book of Ecclesiastes we find a variant of this interjection, pronounced “Ee!” as in: “Ee to him that is alone when he falls” (4:10). This form seems to have become the prevalent one by the time we get to the era which produced the Mishnah (1st to 3rd centuries C.E.), and appears in such phrases as “Ee to me whether I speak or remain silent!” and “Ee to the wicked and to his neighbour!” [By the way, you won’t find this form in the normal printed editions of the Mishnah, which replaced the strange-sounding “ee” with the more familiar “oy.” The quotations listed above are from reliable manuscripts].

    It is when we reach the period of the Talmud and Midrash (3rd to 6th centuries) that Jews begin using a new expression in order to give vent to their pain and tribulation: the familiar “vay’ or “way!” This word appears in dozens of passages in rabbinic literature, as the equivalent of its older cousins “oy” and “ee.” “Vay” (or “way”) was apparently not considered a distinctively Jewish expression at the time, since the same word was in use in both Greek (“ouai”) and Latin (“vae”), carrying precisely the same meanings as their Hebrew counterparts.

    Thus for example, the midrash relates the following charming anecdote about Rabban Gamaliel who blessed his daughter on the birth of her first child with the rather upsetting prayer “May the word `vay” never budge from your lips.” When his daughter voiced her dismay at receiving such a “blessing,” the doting zeydeh explained his real intention: His wish was that she might have many occasions to lament about such domestic “troubles” as “Vay, my baby won’t eat! Vay, my baby doesn’t want to go to school!” Rabban Gamaliel astutely perceived that there are certain types of parental torments that we learn to prefer over the alternatives.

    And just so that you should not be mistaken into supposing that Jews only knew how to suffer, we should make it clear that talmudic literature knows also of an appropriate interjection for joyous occasions: “Wah!” The similarity between the sounds of way and wah often furnished occasions for elaborate word-plays, which hinted subtly at just how fragile the borderline between sorrow and joy often is.

  212. Weaver says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Hopefully he remains healthy for 10 more years. I once read Putin eats a piece of fruit, then swims a few laps in the morning. It sounded like a healthy routine. He’ll need a successor just as Roman emperors sought them out.

    I dunno the real Putin, but he’s likely better for Russians than whomever the US would replace him with. He doesn’t seem to fully know what to do, seems conservative and prudent.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  213. Wielgus says:
    @dbreen

    I guess you have asked them all.
    Anyway, injustice to one group can quickly be directed onto another, using the same legislation and/or practices.
    It’s like people wanting January 6 people released while wanting, say, Leonard Peltier, to stay in jail until he dies. Some lenity would be in order in both cases.

    • Agree: sher singh
  214. Weaver says:
    @AP

    That’s fascinating that he could feel safe in some areas and not others. The US seems to be becoming like that.

    Should Ukraine just split up? Do Ukrainians view Russians as “mixed”? Are Jews powerful in Ukraine? Are groups like Right Sector influential?

    • Replies: @AP
  215. Wielgus says:
    @Weaver

    His predecessor, Yeltsin, was a pudgy alcoholic who ran down Russia (and so the West considered him a “democrat”). I see Putin as being in many ways the anti-Yeltsin.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Thanks: Weaver
  216. GMC says:
    @AP

    The Saker hasn’t been in Crimea since 08 . I agree with much of your post , but I saw , heard and have had plenty of time to come to my conclusions. I connected the dots from some of my own observations when I started working in Ukraine and Crimea. Sometimes, as a foreigner with experience in other countries, one can see things and put together a decent picture of events unfolding. Most locals and the public don’t see the international influence and then connect the dots. Americans included.

    There wasn’t one person I knew that didn’t consider the Ukie Gov – 100% thieves. That includes every person you mentioned. I remember when PM Tymoshenko went to Russia , in order to make a deal with PM Putin on the gaz supply price. She came back with the worse deal anyone could imagine, but after some serious thoughts – she must have made a great deal for herself – too.

    Prez. Yanuk was a huge thief and was playing Clinton’s pay to play scheme and he was trying to sell Ukraine to everyone with money – China, Russia, EU, Monsanto, Cargill, Bechtel, John Deere, DuPont – you name them , they were throwing millions at him. Yanuk dealt with Russia cause of loans, gaz, bloodlines, employment, security, etc. etc. etc. Face it – the Neocons in the EU and the US weren’t going to let Ukraine have their Russian ally and a Western one too. And yes , the CIA and Mossad were in Ukraine – esp. western Ukraine – always have been. Hell, I bought a few guns from the CIA in Moc Hoa V N in 1970 – they are everywhere.

    The Maidan was all about Ukraine getting tired of the corruption, and the populace was given a chance { led in the right direction} by internal and external forces.It was planned years before it happened – even Senator Obama was part of it when he showed up in Donetsk in 05 to disarm the Eastern Ukie army – Notice – he didn’t go to Western Ukraine to disarm the Azov battalion.
    There is much more to it, but we both have our hypothesis and conclusions that are interesting. I enjoyed many parts of living in Ukraine – more laid back etc. but I don’t miss those F..n roads. Thanks A P

    • Thanks: AP
  217. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    Certainly the Russian SRs were proto-commies, terrorists, and godless nihilists, but more interested in their idealization of the peasantry than in the proles

    They had in common with Bolsheviks a taste for terrorism and opposition to the aristocracy. But unlike the Bolsheviks, they were agrarian socialists who opposed collectivization of agriculture (they wanted to steal land from the estates and give it peasants as private property) and were mostly ethnic Russians. The Russian Right SRs were in the side of the Whites during the Russian Civil War. Overall the differences were too great to consider them to be proto-Bolsheviks. We’re the Decembrists proto-Bolsheviks?

    Ukrainian SRs didn’t form until early 1917. Their call for Ukrainian autonomy and Ukrainization of schools put them in conflict with the Russian SRs but otherwise the programmes were similar. There was a major culture clash with the Galician nationalists, who were far more conservative, and who had more sympathy for the Whites in terms of social and economic issues.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  218. 3g4me says:
    @AP

    @ 123 AP : How adorable! You still believe in polls!

  219. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Well the Russians of yore were no Vainakhs, but had no problems of dealing with them and either pacifying them or keeping them at bay. The Terek Cossacks adopted many customs of the Caucasus people. But Cossacks had initially been formed by absorbing some Turkic and Circassian populations anyway. I have had myself a couple of “close encounters” with DICh guys (Ingush and Avars if IIRC) when young, around 1994 – 1996, it went fine despite me and my friends being no Chechens at all.

    So no, you got my message wrong.

  220. AP says:
    @Weaver

    Should Ukraine just split up?

    Ukraine has already split along natural lines. One could quibble about the border being shifted 40 km in one or another direction but this is about it. Russians had fantasies about half of Ukraine joining Russia if given the chance, but when it came down to it (Ukraine had no real army, government had been overthrown) only Crimea and Donbas left. It turns out that the split was self-identified ethnic, not linguistic or even Orange-Blue.

    Are Jews powerful in Ukraine

    Some are. They are well represented among the oligarchs. But they are not all-powerful. They need to pander to nationalists.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Thanks: Weaver
  221. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, in my defense, the place I live in now and the place I first emigrated to in the West (France), did not exactly improve in the last couple decades. But it was fine when I first arrived.

    As regards Noviop people, I personally have no prejudice against them. Most of those I met are not bad people. But on the mental level they do not think like a typical “Vanya from Ryazan”.

    Many early ethnic Russian nationalists were in fact of Slav supremacist inclination. Of course it was before Krym Nash and the Eastern Ukrainian mess.

    Galkovsky is not a Russian nationalist and has never been, but he was highly influential on the evolution of many nationalist thinkers. Anyone judging Galkovsky without reading first his Magnum Opus: Бесконечный Тупик is not to be taken seriously.

    And most historical narratives worldwide are well organized myths.

    For once, Russia is not an exception in that regard…

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  222. IR says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    What Ukraine calls land grabs is actually territories that Ukraine failed to integrate choosing their own way. Ukraine was given a territory with varying history, and ethnolinguistic situation, and instead of creating a system that would accommodate everyone, the powers that be decided to promote West Ukrainian fascism.

    Ukraine should stop blaming Russia and watch out because other territories may choose to go their own way in the future to escape what quite frankly is a bullshit state.

    • Agree: Robjil
  223. @AP

    Good point. That is why Turkey as a NATO – and potentially an EU nation is silly to me. I mean i know they wanted Turkey as a bulwark against Russia – but 1 plus 1 still doesnt equal 3.

    • Replies: @IR
  224. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Seraphim

    Many Russians use an external second cover that they put on their passport to protect it.

    You can have personalized versions or some politically aligned ones such as the Soviet-nostalgia themed ones with a sickle and hammer etc.

    Shoigu (being basically a Métisse) has a passport cover signaling his profound respect to the Tsarist Empire (that his Jewish SR maternal grandfather fought against).

    Life is a flow of paradoxical situations, and as Karlin once astutely noted, it is all Cosplay in the end…

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  225. IR says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Slav nationalism is probably impossible, however these days I want more conservative Russia for Czechia than the transsexual West.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  226. IR says: • Website
    @Showmethereal

    NATO is brain dead – Emanuel Macron

    I do not think NATO will survive beyond 2020s.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  227. Marcali says:

    “According to the calculations of Fridtjof Nansen, beginning in 1500, every seven years Russia added as much territory to its empire as that occupied by the Kingdom of Norway. Imperialism is a traditional, basic, and integral trait of Russia – its chief trait in fact.”
    (Solovyov – Klepikova: The map is the message in mother Russia, The Christian Science Monitor, August 11-17, 1986.)

  228. Weaver says:
    @Mersaux

    Russia would seem to need more people to defend its territory, but it only needs enough people to defend its territory. If not allowing in immigrants and if not invaded, there is no problem.

    Likely, such a low birth rate is dysgenic, however.

  229. Anon[380] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A side note – since last year Apple iPhones now support GPS, and GLONASS, Galileo, QZSS und BeiDou

    Apple iPhones used to only support GPS but in Sept 2020 that changed.

  230. Weaver says:
    @IR

    Macron wants a European suprastate, I assume? Could he stand independent from the US?

    • Replies: @IR
  231. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Herein lies the whole problem. Even if you consider that in the early medieval period, what we know of as Russians and Ukrainians today were “brotherly”, you have to ask yourelf why did they have so many separate principalities (homes). And quite often these homes were a war with one another. Most everybody stayed at home, until the next war or pillage took place. Even today, when Ukrainians decide to move to Russia, usually only for job opportunities, there still needs to be paperwork filled out and a reviewal process. It’s true, some Russians feel that “Ukraine for the Russians” gives them the pretext to foment war, ripoff territory etc.

    That was elsewhere during that earlier period in history. Also applies to the territories making up the former Ukrainian SSR, not including the former RSFSR.

    As for the present, post-Soviet Russia has recognized a separate Ukrainian state.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/07/18/getting-putin-intentions-wrong-again-on-russia-ukraine/

    Also, there’s always that little ugly matter where for Ukrainians, taking up residence in Russia means leaving their ability to create schools and churches in their own language, they need to abandon such hopes at the border crossing, which only really goes to show you that Russia is only for Russians (not Ukrainians) and its slowly becoming the same way in Ukraine too. They’re two separate peoples that need their own separate homes. Even in real life, real brothers need their own homes, including locks on doors and separate keys. Right?

    A Ukrainian oligarch wanting to do so in Russia could’ve such built. It’s about money and interest. Someone who is UGCC isn’t as likely to live in Russia. The ROC-MP is loosely affiliated with the UOC-MP. Hence, Russians and a good number of Ukrainians feel comfortable with going to either of the two.

  232. Wency says:
    @songbird

    I’m skeptical on nuclear. One thing nuclear advocates really need to do is better dissect the most recent nuclear construction fiasco in the US, which started a few years ago and is still ongoing. It destroyed two companies (Westinghouse Electric and SCANA) and badly wounded two more, on two continents: Southern Company and Toshiba.

    No investors or businessmen want anything to do with nuclear in the US now, and regulation has little to do with it. Southern Company is still trying to finish the nuclear plant that Westinghouse started, and it continues to face cost overruns.

    I’m inclined to think that the US has lost the civilizational capacity to build nuclear plants, or at least to do so at anything approaching an economic price. I’m sure a big part of the problem is that nuclear engineering drew a much more intelligent class of person in the 1950s than it does in the 2020s, so we just don’t have the human capital to make nuclear power happen anymore.

    I have to wonder if this is really all that different in Russia.

  233. IR says: • Website
    @Denver

    Ukraine will probably never be invaded full scale by Russia. Why give the ukrnazis what they so desire, a real war with Russia?

    Also, Russia would become responsible for Ukraine and all her discontents. Much of the bullshit that is happening in Ukraine, with the Russian language, with Nazis, with WWII commemorations are Ukrainian issues that the Ukrainians need to resolve between themselves.

    Eventually, the Ukrainians will see the error of their ways, and will come to a deal with Russia.

  234. Being California desert rat raised, my only obstacle for living in Russia would be the cold freezing winters. I was pleased to learn from a Russian tourist that my real named translated into Russian is ‘Runavitch Usonabitch’. Although my ancestors were English/Irish, I feel I was once a great Russian painter or music composer in one of my recent past lives.

    • Replies: @Avery
  235. Avery says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    {……my only obstacle for living in Russia would be the cold freezing winters}

    Move to Sochi.
    Or Crimea.
    Or anywhere along the Black Sea coast: beautiful land, nice and warm in winter.

  236. Bashibuzuk says:
    @IR

    Panslavism and Slavophile policies are unfortunately impossible today, mainly because Slav elites are a bunch of corrupt imbeciles (Putinists included), while different Slav people are basically unable to grasp who they truly are.

    It takes a lot of time and self-education to learn about who Slav were historically speaking and how they ended up in their current (unfortunate) situation. Most people among the Slav have no time for that and do not see it as a worthwhile task. Therefore they end up following “crooks and thieves ” to their final demise.

    But one has to keep hope for the future, from the Tollense battle times and up to this very day, we have faced hardship and adversity. We survived and prevailed.

    Although things change faster than usual nowadays, if we have children then our lineages endure. If we explain and educate, then they will perhaps not be lost. If we work hard then perhaps one day, as many times before, some among us will thrive again and revive Slavic hope and pride.

    But one needs to keep his lineage alive, otherwise why bother?

    • Replies: @IR
  237. Weaver says:
    @Wency

    I suspect corruption is part of it. Everyone wants to make a profit; no one feels a part of the US. No one wants to build for the US nation, or local community. The goal is to get rich, then move.

    Nuclear engineering would be fascinating. I never wanted to be seen as some terrorist, so didnt go into it. US schools are still good in engineering, though the top minds might go into finance now. I wonder how much ability and dedication is needed for what you describe. I expect a great many could build a large plant, but maybe not. I dont think it’s only a matter of IQ.

    PCR often complains about low pay in engineering. I want to say oil and mining pay well, engineering related jobs, but maybe they are periodic, if thats the right word. Boom and bust.

    • Replies: @Wency
  238. W says:

    Alt Right fantasies, the fact that Russia hasn’t embraced the religion of endless lockdowns and double masking doesn’t mean it is some kind of obscurantist anti-vaxxer shithole.

    Nothing wrong with an anti killshot position.

    Although Russians reject toxic Western “gender ideology”, this does not mean that basement-dwelling misogynists get to have any influence in the country that that was the world’s first to implement equity feminism and which has the world’s highest percentage of female business leaders.

    By basement dwelling misogynist I assume you mean anti feminist, anti gynocentric men? You seem to enjoy painting your opposition with the broadest of brushes, you do it thoughout the whole article – it is more obvious than you think it is.

    And about “equity feminism”, feminism has never been and will never about equity or equality. It is about maximizing female power while minimizing reposonbilty.

  239. Wency says:
    @Showmethereal

    I dont understand Russian but I would prefer to hear them playing Russian music.

    On a related note, I was recently at a wedding reception for two people in their early 20s and noticed that all but maybe 1-2 songs were released before the living memory of the bride and groom. And it’s not like it was just for the old people: the crowd was pretty young and they were all rocking out to it.

    Pop music was basically a phenomenon that existed from 1965 – 1995 or so, primarily in the US. It was a particular era, kind of like baroque or something. Pop music from after this era is sort of like 20th century classical music — it exists, it even makes money, but we all sort of know it doesn’t belong, all of its innovations are soulless and its imitations never capture the original magic.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  240. You can’t compare anything built in the US in the last 100 years to what Russia did with The Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces. An absolutely beautiful piece of architectural art and engineering marvels.
    Apples two billion dollar Cupertino headquarters if you did need a comparison, looks like a giant Dunkin Donut factory where H1b1 dot Indian visa holders sit around and write useless code for overpriced tech toys that become obsolete faster than a speeding poleez car.

  241. W says:
    @USA1943

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  242. FvS says:
    @Wency

    Nuclear requires nationalization and a state capable of long term planning. It is not something to be left up to private industry.

  243. Derer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Putin Feb/2013:
    “In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’.

    We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honourable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.”

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  244. Wency says:
    @Weaver

    There might be some corruption, but the fact is the US can build other sorts of power plants at a reasonable price (in practice, this means natural gas plants and solar/wind farms, since hydro is built out and no one wants to build coal). It just can’t build nuclear plants, apparently.

    I want to say oil and mining pay well, engineering related jobs, but maybe they are periodic, if thats the right word. Boom and bust.

    I think petroleum engineers in the US have been in very good shape for decades, very high incomes and intense demand. There was an oil bust in the 1980s but the trend has been generally upward since then. However, there’s an expectation that oil engineering might not be in such good shape in 20 years. Of course in the meantime that probably means even better outcomes for today’s graduates since it makes the engineer shortage even more acute.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  245. @Dmitry

    If someone had created name for this style, then it could have entered the textbooks in the architecture department in university,

    Sci Fi Asiatic Orthodoxy

  246. IR says: • Website
    @Weaver

    The relationship of continental Europe to the US is quite frankly parasitic. Europe abuses America for defense, particularly Germany but Czechia also.

    Czechia even admits in its foreign policy blueprint that they are not paying what they should for defense according to NATO rules but they will in the future.

    I just wonder how long will Murica put up with this?

    • Replies: @Weaver
  247. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Derer

    Could you provide a link to the original in Russian please?

    I doubt Putin has ever said something along these lines.

    • Replies: @IR
    , @AP
  248. IR says: • Website
    @Bashibuzuk

    The problem is Slavic societies are vastly different. What actually unites them is the proximity of their languages and that’s about it.

    This was apparent in the days of Pushkin and is very much true today. Karel Havlíček Borovský was an educator in Russia and came from a much freer and much more egalitarian society, and basically said that the Czechs would not be happy with the system in Russia.

    Also, I doubt the Bulgarians have much in common with the Poles for instance.

    However, nothing good ever came from our divisions.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Bashibuzuk
  249. IR says: • Website
    @Bashibuzuk

    I personally remember reading that quote in Russian.

  250. It seems to me that virtually all people tend to project their favorite delusions & desires into the future- while the world is too complex & beyond such trifles. Leszek Kolakowski was, when writing epitaph to Marxism in the 1970s, essentially right about all such delusions.

    Just replace “Marxism” with your favorite fantasy & desire.

  251. AP says:
    @Yevardian

    It was a Gallup poll. Highest in the region was Azerbaijan at 85%. The survey included both men and women, with women being less likely to fight. So the numbers for the men (the ones who would actually be fighting) would be about 10% higher or so.

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2017/12/gallup-global-survey-would-you-fight-for-your-country-australia-ranked-very-very-poorly.html

    • Replies: @Avery
  252. “Russia for Russians”

    It’s a great sentiment. I would hope that there would be a plenty of blue-eyed, green-eyed, amber-eyed, blonde, red, and auburn haired people who are tall and handsome in most attractive way in centuries to come.

    The whole world need not be a niggerized, homofied shithole with protruding nostrils and monstrously thick lipped morons with low IQ sporting only black eyes and hairs, straight or kinky or slanty-eyed.

    It’s as if there is going to be a war between the children of God and the offspring of the Devil with the former humming the classical music and the latter blaring the rap shit.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  253. AP says:
    @IR

    Also, I doubt the Bulgarians have much in common with the Poles for instance.

    For starters, they don’t have Slavic descent in common. Bulgarians, Serbs and Macedonians are Slavic-speaking Illyrians/Albanians/Thracians. Slavs by descent are Czechs (mixed with Germans), Poles, Slovaks, Slovenians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians. Croats are mixed.

    • Disagree: Derer
    • Replies: @ValMonde
    , @Aedib
  254. Weaver says:
    @Wency

    China is attempting “new” nuclear tech. It’ll be interesting to see the result; the tech I’m thinking of is smaller scale but previously deemed a waste by the US. I appreciate the reply.

    The US also can’t seem to build trains, at least not the sort China utilizes. Maybe the issue is organizational. I don’t think the problem is with America’s ability in engineering.

    Tidal plants look neat. One form looks like a wind turbine but sits on the ocean, might be used in Alaska. “Tidal” seems to refer to two very different types of plant. The other form is also neat, like a dam.

    • Replies: @Wency
  255. Thank you for this run down. This information and especially the decoding and nuance is simply impossible to gather from normal news sources.

  256. @AP

    Correct.

    Note that I didn’t cite it, and in fact expressly identified it as “fake news” back in… 2016: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/is-putin-hitler/

    (2) Living up to the overly “optimistic”/false image that the “Russophile” wing of the Alt Right (summarized in the widely shared but 100% fake meme/quote to the right) – and the Putin Derangement Syndrome-suffering SJWs and (((neocons))) – have of Putin;

    … there is a pretty big middle ground around which Putin actually falls.

    But that “middle ground” has in the past half decade moved much closer to “Putlerism” (that is, a toned down version of the hysterias that W*stoids have long had about him).

    Not to blow my own trumpet too hard, but as someone who identified and wrote quite a bit about this Horseshoe rather early on, I think I’m more qualified than most to detect a shift in it.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Derer
  257. Weaver says:
    @IR

    The US ostensibly dreams of providing defense for everyone. It fears global war, but I think US ideas are flawed. If Japan truly fears China, if France truly fears Russia, they need to build up their militaries. The US promises to defend them and dreams they’re part of this grand empire, but it’s a costly delusion. I’m glad the US got Ukraine to give up its nukes, but Ukraine should pursue better relations with Russia due to vulnerability and history.

    If Putin went into Europe, Xi into Japan and Australia and India, I don’t think the US could stop them. US foreign policy seems like it will lead to unnecessary war, currently.

    China should be balanced by Japan and other surrounding powers, maybe even by Russia. The US prevents that balance. The US is in the way and creating false security leading to potential war due to a lack of defensive ability among its “allies.” The US only wants others to spend militarily if the US may then direct and control that spending. The US then antagonizes China and Russia. It makes no sense. It’s like a honey badger attacking a lion in the videos online. If that lion hits back, we’re in trouble. The US wastes much of its military spending. Even if it could “win” some conflict, I doubt any would feel like winners afterwards.

  258. Avery says:
    @AP

    These types of surveys/polls are BS.

    You find out who will really fight for their country when there is real war.
    Anybody can say “…Oh yeah, sure I will fight for my country…..”.
    How many will actually show up when the possibility of getting killed is real and immediate.

    To wit: the survey was done in 2017.
    On that list, Republic of Georgia is at 76%.
    In the 2008 war with Russia, Georgians didn’t fight: they ran back to Tbilisi.
    So much for surveys.

    As to Azerbaijan at 85%.

    In 1988-1994 War of Artsakh Liberation, Azerbaijani leadership had to kidnap their youth and send them to Artsakh (aka Karabagh) to fight. Ilham Aliyev (father) had to hire 1,000s and 1,000s of mercenaries to fight for Azerbaijan: Afghan Muj, Ukrainians, Chechens, Turk Grey Wolves, assorted Islamist scum.

    In the Sep 2020 war, pretty much the same thing: a little better than before, but the war was largely fought with high-tech, which the Armenian side was completely unprepared for and badly lost.

    Where there was man-to-man fighting in the mountains, same story: Azerbaijani troops mostly ran when Artsakh’s Armenians engaged them*. Turkey’s special forces who were the ground spearheads in this war fought well. Heydar Aliyev (son) also had hired 1,000s of Syrian ISIS cannibal terrorists, hundreds of Pakistanis, a bunch of other Islamist scum.

    Like I said: surveys are bunk.

    ________________________
    * Republic of Armenia armed forces largely stayed out of the fight: long story….

    • Replies: @4DChessmaster
  259. Weaver says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    That idea of some created by the bad god, some by good, sounds very Zoroastrian, for what it’s worth. Or like CS Lewis and Tolkien. Maybe you have another analogy.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  260. I can’t believe it has been a year since Tesak died.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  261. @Avery

    Exactly.

    Our forces had a loser like Pashinyan in charge who did not prepare for the war militarily or diplomatically despite months of red flags from Turkey and Azerbaijan.

    Sometimes I wish we had gone all the way to Baku in 1994. We would have given them something real to cry about.

    • Replies: @Avery
  262. I can then go down to the gym and a bowl of pho at my local food mall, owned by an Armenian businessman (who else?)

    LOL, we’re so visible.

  263. Derer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Note that I didn’t cite it, and in fact expressly identified it as “fake news” back in… 2016:

    Well, when you did not cite it, it must be fake. Since when you are an arbiter of the truth.

    • Replies: @ValMonde
  264. Avery says:
    @4DChessmaster

    {…. a loser like Pashinyan in charge who did not prepare for the war militarily or diplomatically despite months of red flags from Turkey and Azerbaijan.}

    Much, much worse than a mere loser.
    If you speak Armenian and followed the news and interviews in Armenia with various people in the know , it became obvious that Pashinoğlu and his SorosaGang did everything so that Armenians of Artsakh would lose the war*. He is definitely a SorosaAgent: and he is definitely working for Turk interests. The question is – have Turks compromised and recruited him?

    And the lobotomized voters of Republic of Armenia voted for the SorosaTraitors again. In 2008 one could argue that they didn’t know what this creature was. But after the Sep 2020 disaster? It bogles the mind.

    _______________________________________________
    *I have detailed some of the things the SorosaAgent did, but this is not the thread to repeat it here.

  265. @Wency

    The only western country that does nuclear well is France.

    Anglo Countries despite having massive Uranium reserves and technological know how have screwed things up on 3 continents 4 if you include South Africa.

    They key to having a successful nuclear program is a strong bureaucratic state which can legally insulate the nuclear industry from legal harassment and NGO terrorism.France’s droit administratiff system is the reason it can undertake nationwide nuclear infrastructure build out without facing ruinous legal challenges.

    The other necessary factor is having a standardized national design be it the VVER in Russia or the EPR in France or the APR 1400 in South Korea.This is not condusive to having many different designs.

    The US civilian nuclear program will never be successful for this reason too many competing designs and too much frivolous litigation plus the cheapest gas prices in the West.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  266. AP says:
    @Doom

    “Laws and government reflect the population’s wishes. Poland’s current government also isn’t pro-gay. Russia’s policies will change as the population becomes more pro-gay.”

    Not really, the “population’s wishes” are malleable. Laws and government are determined by which groups organize, mobilize and push their agenda the hardest with the most passion. If the masses “decided” the future of a country, Western countries would not have transformed from ethno states in the 70s into glorified deluxe refugee camps now.

    Certainly a passionate minority can impose its will on a subject if the majority doesn’t care. But it’s not going to be able to do something the majority doesn’t want.

    Note that the European countries with the most immigrants are those that like having immigrants:

    Most Westerners are not Unz contributors.

    So when 50% of Russians will come to support gay marriage, it will happen. This won’t be soon, probably about 10 years after Poland does (which will be in 10-20 years).

    This can also prompt a backlash. There seem to be more anti-gay demonstrations now than there were years ago.

    Possibly, but it hasn’t stopped the growth of Pride Parades or its cultural normalization. Based on wikipedia, 2019 saw 50,000 participants, up from just a few thousand a decade ago.

    This is part of the back-and-forth backlash.

    As in the example with Poland, pride parades in Ukraine were contested in the mid 2010s after the maidan and attracted a few hundred participants. This year’s was uncontested and the biggest ever and had IIRC 10,000 attendees.

    This time they were pushing the nationalist angle to avoid being beaten up, by placing veterans in the march and stuff.

    Because it’s part of a generational cultural shift with powerful institutional factors at work and not just a transient fad.

    I’m not sure this is as true of Muslim refugee acceptance. Accepting gays is akin to accepting, say people with mental illness or the handicapped. Accepting refugees is a different phenomenon.

  267. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Laws and government reflect the population’s wishes. Poland’s current government also isn’t pro-gay.

    I consider this to be plain wrong, sorry. 17% of American zoomers did not just randomly start identifying as LGBT after decades of such positions consistently polling 3%. The media made it “cool.”

    The media racheted it up, staying a little ahead of the consensus rather than going against it. If an American show today would be broadcast in 1990 it would have been shut down by popular outrage (boycotts and legal action by elected representatives). So media has made a difference in terms of accelerating the process but it did not invent it.

    Today 17% of Russians support gay marriage, up from 5% in 2015 despite not having that kind of media influence. Do you think this will continue to increase? And once it reaches 50% or 60%, you don’t think that it will be legalized?

    Ultimately, my guess is that long-term, the Hungarian model will be more sustainable, and the Russian one even more so on account of Russia’s extra advantages of geopolitical sovereignty and scale.

    Also there is the non insignificant chance of the pendulum swinging in the other direction within the EU, at least in the non-Germanic world. Visegrad could be joined by Italy and even France. The entire West may not be lost yet.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  268. Bashibuzuk says:
    @IR

    However, nothing good ever came from our divisions.

    Our enemies have benefited enormously from our divisions and infighting. United, we would probably have been the strongest ethnic lineage in Europe and posdibly among the strongest in Eurasia as a whole.

    Divided we ended up second class Europeans at best. But past is past, we can only learn from it to avoid repeating the blunders of our ancestors and strive for a better tomorrow for our descendants.

    One of our errors has always been our petty tribalism, which we displayed since the earliest historical times. We often betrayed our kin and allied to their foreign enemies for short term gains. If we only get to change just this negative aspect of our ethnic mentality, we would become much stronger and would earn a much better existence.

    And we should remember that nation states are a modern invention that will probably not survive the next decades. On the other hand, ethnic groups and especially genetic lineages abide for thousands of years. These genetic lineages are literally our ancestors incarnate in our cells and us living through our children.

    How can anything be more important than this?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  269. @AP

    Today 17% of Russians support gay marriage, up from 5% in 2015 despite not having that kind of media influence. Do you think this will continue to increase? And once it reaches 50% or 60%, you don’t think that it will be legalized?

    I have to note that it’s one poll, which is a sharp outlier. For instance, this number was 12% in a VCIOM poll from this year: https://wciom.ru/analytical-reviews/analiticheskii-obzor/odnopolye-braki-tabu-ili-novaja-norma Up from 8% in 2015 and 4% in 2013 at the nadir, but still down from 14% in 2005 (i.e. before the anti-gay drive).

    Probably if media organs + memetic garden walling keep LGBT’ism “unhandshakeworthy” this will remain the case indefinitely, don’t see gay marriage support rising much above 20% so long as this remains the case. YouTube might be blocked soon.

    “At most”, Russia today is perhaps back where it was before the anti-gay drive, during the 2010s. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/poland-will-legalize-gay-marriage-within-10-years/ Whereas Poland is now 50% pro-gay, like the US in 2010.

    I don’t think Poland’s half-hearted late anti-gay drives will have any effect, it’s a lost cause IMO and shoveling more political capital there is wasted. But their conservatives are idiots who think fighting a culture war about Down’s babies is a good idea, while not actually having the balls to abolish democracy or even to maintain those fake and gay “LGBT free zones” as soon as the grown ups from the EU turn up to threaten to cut off their gibs. So I expect the complete defeat of Polish conservatism.

    And once it reaches 50% or 60%, you don’t think that it will be legalized?

    If that happens and it is a democracy by that point, yes, probably. Both conditions have to be met. Chinese are now ~40% pro-gay (they didn’t have an anti-gay drive like Russia did). But gay marriage isn’t happening there anytime soon. In fact, they now started an anti-gay drive of their own, beginning to shut down pro-LGBT groups on social media.

    Also there is the non insignificant chance of the pendulum swinging in the other direction within the EU, at least in the non-Germanic world. Visegrad could be joined by Italy and even France. The entire West may not be lost yet.

    It’s extremely hard to say. For instance, the Swedes here, from Thorfinnsson to Thulean Friend, have consistently claimed that they are extremists who are prone to maximalism. “GloboHomo” is “cool” now, so they max out there. Perhaps they go total fascist if that pendulum swings that way. Who knows? Those regions have been “winning” for centuries, it’s dangerous to write them off just yet.

    I don’t think the homosexuality issue is actually all that important or relevant.

    I don’t even think the “Core West” is “lost” in any deep, meaningful sense.

    Third World immigration has created some resentful foreign underclasses in their metropolises. But in the long run, the nativist countryside will still outbreed them as breeder effect accumulates. Their big cities become less pleasant for middle-class tourists, such as ourselves, but it’s the O-Ring sectors that count for national wealth and power. Presence of low IQ minorities has no effect on them.

    • Replies: @AP
  270. Bashibuzuk says:
    @4DChessmaster

    Мир праху.

    • Replies: @4DChessmaster
  271. ValMonde says:
    @Derer

    It’s an obvious fake. Not only because it doesn’t sound like something Putin had said or would ever say, but because no one has actually seen or read the original of that speech. Feel free to share a link if you ever find it.

  272. songbird says:
    @Wency

    I’m inclined to think that the US has lost the civilizational capacity to build nuclear plants, or at least to do so at anything approaching an economic price.

    Quite agree. Just looking at rail extensions or highway projects that never get finished would make someone really pessimistic about the future of nuclear in the US.

    I’m sure a big part of the problem is that nuclear engineering drew a much more intelligent class of person in the 1950s than it does in the 2020s

    I think it is a couple of different things: 1.) Average person is dumber. 2.) Zeitgeist is doomerist (lack of earlier optimism). 3.) Intelligent people are reading the room, and thinking that the prospects for a career in nuclear are limited.

    Biggest hope for nuclear might be China. They are currently building the most reactors (18), with near term plans to build another 37. By some estimates, they will exceed total US power generation from nuclear by the end of the decade. (Possibly as important a metric as them surpassing the US Box Office) If Russia is not careful, China will eat Rosatom’s lunch, in exports.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  273. Dmitry says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    I think most people in real world are the opposite, and hopes to discover something exotic in their family tree, and will romanticize any minority nationality they can be descended from.

    As children, we naturally imagine we must be some lost orphan from another planet, because we all have an ego saying to us “you are special” not like the kid next to you. While at school we were all thrown together with hundreds of other kids from exactly the same background and origin as ourself, and the other children were covering the carpet with their snot and pissing on the trousers, while in a dirty building with paint falling off the walls.

    As children, from the first day of school, we all have such an early and brutal introduction to our nonspecial, homogenized and unexciting – collective identity.

    So naturally people’s unconscious is compensating with a dreaming that they might be an abandoned descendent of elves or magical dwarves.

    Later on, if people discover any different origins in their family tree, they will usually boast and obsess about it. It’s one of the most boring and common topics, when people talk about their exotic ancestors. (And this has been since the time of “Scottish” Lermontov and “African” Pushkin).

    In the postmodernist world of Russian politics, only it can seem the opposite. When for example 1990s Zhirinovsky was trying to complain about too much Jewish influence in Russian politics, while being a half Jewish politician called Eidelstein.* But here is because while all politics in Russia might be a low quality theatre, Zhirik is WWE wrestling. Eidelstein was abandoned by his father ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Qy-OMunxU. ). But I guess under the political persona, his Spotify playlist is mostly Klezmer music, and his unconscious is dreaming at night about dreidels and dybbuks.

    As for “national question” in relation our bloghost. I won’t speak for his unconscious, but if it was me I would want to be dancing lezginka with beautiful caucasian women, and not writing anti-khachapuri posts, etc. Being connected by ancestry to crazy hotheat caucasian nationalities is more easy to stylize as “chad” than the blood most of us inherit.

    • LOL: sher singh
  274. ValMonde says:
    @AP

    Bulgarians, Serbs and Macedonians are Slavic-speaking Illyrians

    Wrong. Slavic presence in the Balkans for the last 1,000+ years is well established. The Wends have left artefacts and burial sites all over the place. Some sources go back as far as 2,000 BC if you extend credit to the Kurgan hypothesis.

    • Agree: Mikhail, Derer, Aedib
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mikhail
  275. @Weaver

    Ahura Mazda versus Ahriman… it’s plausible but I am not sure. But the idea of a singular Deity which may have created a flaming red haired beauty with sparkling green eyes and a beastly creature in the sub saharan jungle isn’t too palatable. Then again, there must be a season for everything be it good, bad and ugly.

  276. Seraphim says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Might be, although it doesn’t look quite right to me, especially the coat of arms. But who published it? Are you sure it’s not a hoax?
    What makes his story ‘double plus’ suspect is the the rumor that his mother was Jewish. By his own declaration he was baptized at the age of 5 in a church in the city of Stakhanov, Lugansk region. I don’t really understand the fuss made about Shoigu’s alleged buddhism (his father was a Soviet official and officially an atheist). The new Cathedral of the Armed Forces (a bit tacky as Russian art tends sometimes to be, I admit) doesn’t appear to contain any buddhist, shamanic, mithraist, elements. Not that the myth of Shambhala is not of special historic interest per se.

  277. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Finnishguy78

    I was much surprised recently, when a couple of Russian emigrant acquaintances of mine unexpectedly started discussing their nascent interest in Slavic paganism.

    Perhaps it is indeed slowly becoming more mainstream. The corruption in the ROC and all the petty bickering between the different “Christian” denominations helps a lot driving people away from the Church.

    Sad for the honest true believer Christian clerics, of which there are many, good for Slav self-awareness.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @barr
  278. AP says:
    @ValMonde

    Balkan fantasies aside, genetics shows that Bulgarians, Serbs, and Macedonians are about 20% Slavic by descent; they are mostly Illyrians or Thracians who were linguistically Slavicized.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @ValMonde
  279. Dmitry says:
    @Showmethereal

    I’m not knowledgeable about pop music, but I guess the last wave of originality in unique sounding Russian pop music was riding around 1980-2005.

    Even in some Tatu songs, there are sometimes Russian trademarks. If you listen to the intervals in 0:53 in their song “gay boy” (now would be controversial politically, music composed by the talented Armenian DJ Sergei Galoyan), there is rising second and falling fourth intervals 0:53 melody https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wRhevyP7pc. It was already a bit of self-conscious trademark for a group of Russian nationalist composers since the late 19th century, and of course it’s common in Soviet pop songs.

    Problem is that pop music is “sink or swim”. Our mental association to the last wave of Russian pop music originality, is to think “this sounds like 1990s/2000s”.

    If pop music doesn’t continue to develop, then it reminds people of former decades. Whereas one of pop music’s usage is to create a sound contemporary, and to represent the latest years’ machine or technology noise.

    One of the main place of pop music is places like supermarkets and clothes shops. When clothes shop is trying to create a modern image in their customers’ mind, it likely doesn’t want people to think about the 1990s.

    So you are trying to sell new clothes, and make the customers feel like they are moving to the future – why would you play music style which makes them think about 20 years ago? That’s why the fashionable clothes shop will play something that sounds like more recent years, and that’s likely to send customers’ mind to the present or future technological level.

    If you look at those shops’ music playlist, the production of the songs has to sound generically very recent (at least 2010s production technology in those shops’ music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaXplgeteI0.) You want your customers to think about the future and purpose of pop music is a kind of time signalling about the current technology level.

  280. TheIdiot says:

    95% of Russia’s wealth is owned by 500 families

    Most of them, except for Putin, live outside Russia

    I challenge Karlin’s geography: Malorussia and Novorussia are in Ukraine created by Eltzyn

    I challenge Karlin on economics: compare USSR 1985 output to Putin’s Russia on here

    Follow the money incl Russian central bank owned by the BIS

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  281. Dmitry says:
    @Wency

    Because you talking about pop songs which developed folk song status. Those pop songs are now culture classics that represent the national folksoul.

    But pop music has been often most designed (I can give examples of a century ago for this) to represent just the current technology level, and the most recent machine noises.

    You know it’s especially pop music as opposed to folk music, when it sounds better when you can’t understand the lyrics (when in a language you don’t understand). That’s because the lyrics are often unconnected from the machine and technology sounds.

    In this sense, pop music today continues to progress, and include sounds indicating of our technological situation.

    I have a sound engine Yamaha Motif from 20 years ago, and I can make cool sounds, but not many of the crazy machine noises of some of this contemporary pop using old sound engine – current producers are reflecting the latest software.

    If you look at the playlists for clothes shops, they also like to include a lot of “quotes” from the previous epochs that have inspired their brand.

    Although in the fashion shops more recent machine noise is combined with quotes from times like “1970s disco epoch”, “1980s epoch” (BeeGees, Madonna, etc). So they are carefully saying to their messages about the brands like “look at the 1980s from the 2020s”. Or “look at 1990s from the 2010s/2020s sound engine”.

    It has this folding pattern where key ingredient to indicate the concept of recent fashion, is to integrate the sound of recent machines in this context of retrospective looking from one time to another time e.g.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0HcZDztvN8.

  282. barr says:

    Worst mistake by China was to include Russia into the Sanghai forum . Russia has turned to nationalism or and had to Bolshevism only after being refused entry by the western Europe . That mindset of belonging and acceptance have not changed . Russia remains an opportunist country . Its behaviors over the years to Iran and now against Afghanistan confirm the opportunism and leaving . room for western acceptance Its failures or managed stalemate in Syria show that it doesn’t want to cross the lines drawn by Israel . In the eastern part of ME, it doesn’t want to cross the redlines drawn by the west.
    Nationalism -religious anchoring of the sort portrayed glowingly here is not much different from Taliban type ethno -religiosity .Only thing missing in the later are the faces of women in offices and schools and markets .

    Pressure on Caucasus by Russian nationalism should be matched hopefully by equal pressure from those countries. Kazakhsitan should change laws requiring giving up residency or citizenship to Russia to prevent the 5th columnist Russian among them from creating Chechnya type of situation .

    Terrorism inside Russia has been limited to Chechnya but if Russia continues to play spoiler role in Afghanistan through proxies like India and Tajikistan ,the terrorism will reach Moscow and Russia would be responsible for it .

    Russia is also hobnobbing with Saudi and UAE .Again one sees the stamp of approval from Israel. Without that seal of approval, Russia wouldn’t dare . Saudi UAE are the terror factories and Russia want to replace USA as manager of terror industries in case it needs. It will sell S 400 to them but not to Syria .

    Russia is a nation that no regional muslim countries should trust .

    People with skill and intelligence wont come to Russia. Language and nationalism splintered Europe many times .There is no chance of those organic passions anytime being transcended.
    Trump supporters and Orbun supporters might volunteer as long as vodka is cheap , Russian girls behave the way they do in USA ,and welfare are offered under he name of capitalism.
    Yes America is in decline but it doesn’t mean Russia is in ascendence except in abilities to guard it’s borders .

    • LOL: sher singh
  283. @Dmitry

    I realize what I should have said was, not that TFR was rising, but fewer Russians were dying relative to being born than before (entirely different, I know.)

    1.6 in this era is “fine” (relative to comparable nationalities across the world), and can only improve with societal support.

    Most definitely on your other points!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  284. now that you have enjoyed your circle jerk glorifying the new Russia, it’s Christian revivalism and it tremendous leader in Putin.. let’s look at the reality… The turks shoot down your pilots and murder them in the air and Russia/Putin does………nothing; The israelis daily drone and missle kill your ally Syria’s people and infrastructure and Russia/Putin does…..nothing; your loyal Armenian compatriots hold the bastion of Christianity in the hellhole of the Caucasus, but when they are attacked by Turks, Azeris, Syrian jihadists Russia/Putin does…..nothing. during that conflagration the Azeris shot down another Russian helicopter killing the two pilots… you guessed it… nothing. so take you can take your russian jingoism and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine…America has it’s 10% big man and so does Russia under Chabbad Putin FSB weasel from Berlin bureau…..and by the way, WTF was that comment “owned by an Armenian businessman (who else?)” supposed to imply…the Armenians contributed a hell of a lot more to your beloved Russia or Soviet Union than you ever did or will especially in the fields of science, militarism, sports and culture

    • Replies: @IR
  285. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    But their conservatives are idiots who think fighting a culture war about Down’s babies is a good idea

    I know only one family with a kid who has Downs; they are a conservative religious couple with four older healthy children. The kid with Downs, is a gentle sweetheart. More families like that in the country that would be a blessing – a family with three or four normal kids and one child with Downs syndrome is preferable to a family with just one or two normal kids (or totally childless hedonists).

    It might be a losing battle, of course. Maybe they are trying to use compassion towards such people as a weapon to show the cruel heartlessness of leftists, as leftists use compassion towards gays as a weapon to paint conservatives as heartless bastards. They got some Downs syndrome people to sue over selective abortion:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57734572

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  286. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Are we getting creatures slithering in from Saker’s blog?

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  287. @barr

    Wow! If you dial out incoherence of you diatribe, what remains is a great discovery: Russia is looking out for its own interests, not the interests of China or Islamic countries. What a revelation! Next you will discover that water is wet.

    It’s been said long ago that countries don’t have friends, they have interests. Every alliance is situational, mostly against common enemies. China, Iran, and Afghanistan understand this elementary thing. You apparently don’t.

    China works hard to ally itself with Russia for a simple reason: it does not want to dance to the imperial music, and it does not have the capacity to stand up to the Empire alone, at least not yet. China was sitting on the fence as long as it could, letting Russia stand up to the Empire. Only imperial stupidity of directly antagonizing China made it shift its position. If the Empire acted more sensibly, that would have never happened. The only thing that unites Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Nicaragua, North Korea, and some others is aggressive imperial hostility. As long as the Empire persists in its stupid aggressiveness, this unnatural alliance is solid. When the Empire finally comes to the inevitable end of its protracted suicide, it’s going to be a multi-polar world. Putin does everything humanly possible to ensure that the US bully is not replaced by the Chinese bully. That’s all there is to it.

    • Replies: @Barr
    , @showmethereal
  288. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    with Downs, is a gentle sweetheart.

    Yes in what sense can anyone claim that Downs people worse than non-Downs people?

    Objectively their person “value” (if you can use such a word for people) is not any less. In what sense do we have a problem? The problem historically is they are more difficult and expensive for society or their family.

    In poor historical societies, it’s practically or economically (although not exactly morally) inevitable that there was discrimination against them. But countries like America today have more than enough money. What is the purpose of ultra-wealthy, high-technology societies, if it’s not to avoid what should be only historical barbarisms against disabled people?

    That’s one of the best justifications for our modern society (along with penicillin and good hi-fi, and various many other justification), that we don’t have to act Spartan leaving children to die outside. We have all the disenchantment of modern world, but also such kind of benefits.

  289. Barr says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I didn’t add the fact that Russia doesn’t have the resources to support 300 millions .

    Russian desire to be an empire is as organic as its DNA .

    China should learn that Russia is using it to replace US with help of thugs scattered around Greece , Italy. Hungary and and Brexit crowd .

    Your dream of Russian rebirth is as nightmarish is as was the rise Nazism .

    • Replies: @IR
  290. @Anatoly Karlin

    Ohhhh… Ok. Got ya. Thanks. So they were Russians who moved to Kazhakstan during the Soviet era I presume… Makes sense.

  291. Barr says:
    @AnonfromTN

    That is right . Russia should look after its interest so would the neighboring countries . Russian interference in other countries affairs will draw same responses as would Russian responses to any efforts from outside .

    People like you forget that past Russian efforts to shape the neighboring countries aren’t some academic exercises .

    Russians are welcome as long as it doesn’t subvert the core interests of other nations to further its non – core interests .

    Russian nationalism should be seen by Turkey , Iran and the neighboring Muslim countries as nothing but the resurrection of the behaviors of the late 19 th and early 20 th century .

    China has so far offered a better alternative to both Russian and western hegemony .

    Trump ‘s love for Russia and hate for China was based on racism. This has taken various different but essentially a pro- white version in many western countries including in Russia and Hungary . The message of the ideology is same – control of the world would stay in the hands of the white .
    Putin ‘s preference for Slavic people might be a vote catching , people pleasing ruse but a future demagogue can try to unite the entire Slavic people under one umbrella just like Hitler had tried .

  292. @AP

    I know only one family with a kid who has Downs; they are a conservative religious couple with four older healthy children.

    1 retard / 5 isn’t a big deal, but 1/2, or worse 1/1… Would you honestly wish that on anyone? On yourself? Not trying to be cruel here, just realistic.

    Most people gun for 1-2-max 3. 5 isn’t typical.

    Revealed preference is to abort 90%+ of Down’s babies in most countries. 95%+ in Denmark. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @AP
    , @Art Deco
  293. @Barr

    future demagogue can try to unite the entire Slavic people under one umbrella

    LOL. That will never happen. Russia is in it on its own. More numerous Slavic nations like Poland and Ukraine are out because of envy and deep-seated inferiority complex. Both keep shooting themselves in the foot siding with losers. Smaller Slavic nations won’t be much help, so they are not worth bothering with (unless they support Russia voluntarily, like the majority of Serbs and Belorussians). Putin does what a good Russian president should: plays every rival and potential rival against others. Net result (unless we go MAD) would be a world with many centers of power (including the US, unless the woke crowd screws it up irreversibly). In this case nobody would be in a position to behave as a bandit ignoring all rules, like the US is doing now, so even smaller countries would benefit.

  294. @Barr

    As if your Erdogan isnt literally trying to unite all Turkics under some Turan/Pan Turkism agenda now

    ffs so obtuse but thats expected from a turk

    I can literally flip

    Turkish nationalism should be seen by non Turkish , the nonmuslim countries as
    “the resurrection of their behaviors of the late 16 th and early 19 th century .”

    “Erdogan can try to unite the entire Turkic people under one umbrella just like Hitler had tried ”

  295. sher singh says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Americans need to protect their national mascot.

    [MORE]

  296. Good article.
    Although, Russia does actually build nowadays a new mosque in Simferopol, Crimea. For Crimean Tatars. Check it out on YT, it looks beautiful. Needless to say, that would also be an important signal for the westerners or even turks who claim that nonsense about opression of tatars in the peninsula. Not that they care, but still.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  297. IR says: • Website
    @Barr

    In fact, the Anglos want everyone in Eurasia to lose again. We need strong Russia in Eastern Europe.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Barr
  298. IR says: • Website
    @Colonel Dolma

    The Armenians also staged an anti-Russian demonstration in Yerevan not so long before the latest Karabakh war but Russia should, Russia must…

    Fuck what you think that Russia should or Russia must…

    • Replies: @4DChessmaster
  299. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The odds of having a kid with Downs syndrome increase with the mother’s age. I can’t find mass data about family size, but it seems that a lot of these kids are born to families that keep having children. For example Sarah Palin also has 5 kids, the youngest with Downs – Sarah Palin was 44 years old when she had him. Actor with Downs syndrome Chris Burke (there was a popular TV show about him in the late 19080s, Life Goes On) is the youngest of four:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Burke_(actor)

    Charles de Gaulle “only” had three kids, the youngest with Downs.

    Would you honestly wish that on anyone? On yourself?

    Of course not. My point was that Downs seems to be a side effect of a positive phenomenon – conservative or traditional families with multiple children. They tend to have nice and pleasant personalities, and exert a positive influence on their siblings.

  300. Mikhail says: • Website
    @ValMonde

    Contrary to what someone repeatedly says at this thread, there has been no extensive enough DNA survey taken to substantiate the belittling of the ethnic Slav component among southeastern European Slav language speakers.

    To start with, it’s not like there’s anything such as a pure Slav. One can find numerous photos of Serbs and Bulgarians who’ve a general appearance typically associated with Slavs. Across the board, Slavs have mixed with others.

    Moreover, the different DNA testing results out there aren’t often uniform in their results.

    • Replies: @ValMonde
  301. I’ve never seen a more anti-western Russia in several decades. Only now when the pro-euro traitor Navalny is in jail and the pro-ukie white trash is expelled from the country I am fully comfortable with being a Russian nationalist.

  302. Mr. Hack says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    What an interesting looking piece. Who’s the artist and the name of this work of art. Any website with more?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  303. ValMonde says:
    @AP

    genetics shows

    Your sources?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mikhail
  304. ValMonde says:
    @Mikhail

    True. Besides @AP still has to explain where went all the Southern Slaves after 895 AD, the year they got a brand new alphabet to go with the Slavonic they were speaking ? Yes, there might be a genetic variance between Western and Southern Slaves. Isn’t there one among Germanic tribes? And is it just genetics all the way down?

    • Replies: @AP
  305. Metropole says:

    I’ll tell you a way for Russia to rise above being a nation state and becoming a world empire for the next 1,000 years-achieving the 1000-year Reich that Hilter used to dream about.

    It won’t be easy, and will require giving up some dearly held beliefs. But the reward will be far in excess of any temporary discomfort.

    Switch from Orthodox Christianity to Islam.

    [MORE]

    Christianity has carried European nations as far as it can and now is in losing the war against a strong pagan revival, which is what the new liberalism amounts to. Some countries, like the US, have fallen into the Event Horizon of the Black Hole and will never get out until they’re ground into nothingness. Russia still has a chance to escape, but it is circling perilously close the the edge. Only Islam can get it out to safety.

    I’m aware that not many people here will like what I say, but there should be no doubt that the alternative, sooner or later, is to fall into the GloboHomo Black Hole.

    No one needs to give up Russian nationalism. Islam doesn’t preclude nationalism. If anything, Islam will help revive the Russian people by promoting family values. There’s nothing in core Islamic teachings that promotes miscegenation. Russians can stay Russians.

    If Russia does this then the whole Islamic world will fall into its laps. Unfortunately, the Muslim world is a headless chicken that needs leadership. In Samuel Huntington’s Clash of Civilizations he states that every civilization has a central state except Islam.

    The Islamic world has had two major phases of strong rule. The first was the Arab-run Caliphates that lasted from the 7th to 13th centuries until they got destroyed by the Mongols. The second was the Turkish controlled Ottoman Empire that took over and lasted almost 800 years until WW1. After that there has been nothing but chaos.

    The Muslim world needs a high-IQ, high-ability nation to take control, unite and rule them. I don’t see any one of the 50+ Muslim countries having the ability to do this. Turkey under Erdogan is trying but they have too much historical baggage to be able to pull it off. Plus, Turkey doesn’t have the technical ability or the military power to hold off the inevitable assault from GloboHomo if they try.

    There are only two potential candidates: UK and Russia. But the UK is too entangled in the US/Israeli camp. Only Russia has the means to do it. It would control 2 billion people and vast areas of land and resources. If these resources come under central control and firm and just management principles are applied, then it would become the dominant civilization of the future–the Golden Age of man.

    I believe that this will happen anyways. The only question is who will step forward and grab the opportunity.

  306. Seraphim says:
    @Metropole

    The ‘dearly held beliefs’ that Orthodox (of any ethnic make) must give up are the affirmation that the ”Lord Jesus Christ [is] the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father”, God Incarnate, and follow His commands. In other words to abolish the Church.
    This is the command of Mahomed: ”Say not, ‘Trinity.’ Desist! It will be better for you, for God is One God, Glory be to Him!” ”Believe in God and His messengers [and the greatest among them is me Mahomed] and you will get the world empire for the next 1000 years! The ‘Golden Age of MAN’!!!
    It is the same demand that atheists, liberals, nihilists, communists, fascists, pagans of all colors, transgenderists, transhumanists, nationalists make. The demand of the Devil to Jesus: ”the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve”.
    Russians felt on their skins the reward of their temporary fall for the demand. They are in no mood to repeat it. They want to protect the Church.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @peterrabbit
  307. IR says: • Website

    Mentioned in the article, the SJW, Soros funded activist, Valentina Chupik is seeking asylum in Ukraine.

    Туда им всем дорога!
    https://peremogi.livejournal.com/58343019.html?

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  308. @Metropole

    Nah. Once the EU is majority Muslim, Russia should just help the Tatars take it over and set-up a Russia-friendly emirate.

    More seriously, Russian Orthodoxy is plenty based. The problem is that hardly anyone seriously practices it. The second Christianization of Russia is a slow process, and like most growth processes in nature, follows an S-curve. Right now, we are still at the foot.

    Likewise, Muslims in Russia are mostly not very observant.

  309. @AP

    I didn’t say proto-Bolsheviks, but proto-commies. They never had a chance to run their utopian experiments, so we don’t know how it would have turned out. Maybe they would have been less evil than the Bolshies. At any rate, it would have been hard to be more evil.

    But the underlying point is that your claim that the Ukrainians were voting for “nationalists” is tendentious. That’s plausible enough for the “intelligentsia”, and not impossible for the proles, but I’m very skeptical that the peasants wanted anything else besides land, and the SRs were promising it. The refusal to offer the peasants land was a catastrophic mistake on the part of the Whites.

    I don’t have anything against Ukrainian nationalism, or any other nationalism, except when, like liberalism, it is just an excuse to grab power.

    • Replies: @AP
  310. C h r i s t i a n i t y ☦️
    Pure soul of Russia, rejects
    Woke perversity.

  311. Informative essay and primer.

    ( it also indirectly demonstrates how ineffective and even fraudulent
    Trump was in comparison to Putin or Orban)

  312. @Metropole

    Switch from Orthodox Christianity to Islam.

    Lol.

  313. Johan says:
    @AltSerrice

    Plus, with 150m people of high human capital and a solid chance to increase that to ~200m, Russia might yet be a light to human civilisation this century.

    Yeah, the more people, the more enlightened and the more civilized, breeding more and more people is thé indication of happiness and progress… Primitive tribes also have a creed of the more the merrier by the way.

    Truly there is no other nation which has suffered so cruelly and been beaten down and robbed of its destiny more than Russia.

    And a contest of who has suffered the most, you should apply for a job among the Jews.

  314. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    I didn’t say proto-Bolsheviks, but proto-commies. They never had a chance to run their utopian experiments, so we don’t know how it would have turned out. Maybe they would have been less evil than the Bolshies. At any rate, it would have been hard to be more evil

    SR program was similar to that of Yugo-commies. They left individual farms and small businesses intact but destroyed large estates (giving the land to individual peasant families as their property) and nationalised corporations.*

    but I’m very skeptical that the peasants wanted anything else besides land, and the SRs were promising it

    In Ukraine they could have voted for the regular Russian SRs but strongly preferred the Ukrainian SRs who added nationalist concerns to the SR programme.

    * Wiki contrasts SRs to Bolsheviks:

    [MORE]

    “ The SRs agreed with Marx’s analysis of capitalism, but not with his proposed solution. The SRs believed that both the labouring peasantry as well as the industrial proletariat were revolutionary classes in Russia. Whereas RSDLP defined class membership in terms of ownership of the means of production, Chernov and other SR theorists defined class membership in terms of extraction of surplus value from labour. On the first definition, small-holding subsistence farmers who do not employ wage labour are — as owners of their land — members of the petty bourgeoisie, whereas on the second definition, they can be grouped with all who provide rather than purchase labour-power, and hence with the proletariat as part of the labouring class”

    • Replies: @AP
  315. @Metropole

    Only Russia has the means to do it. It would control 2 billion people and vast areas of land and resources. If these resources come under central control and firm and just management principles are applied, then it would become the dominant civilization of the future–the Golden Age of man.

    I believe that this will happen anyways. The only question is who will step forward and grab the opportunity.

    The only “vast areas of land” to control are one’s soul. He does so thru faith, repentance, and love of the Gospel.

    There is no “Golden Age of man,” because man is subject to sin. Christ founded the Church to heal man of his fall thru the sacraments and the Gospel. Embrace the Kingdom of God thru Christ—this is the Golden Age of the soul.

    The only “opportunity” to “grab” is the Cross of Christ. “For God gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:15 The Cross is the greatest joy one can know, the only life that endures. Christ is risen from the dead, and so are they who love and follow Him.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  316. @AP

    I would think that depends on how close Russia remains with the Orthodox Church in terms of how much homosexual practices they allow in society. But in any event you are correct that in most democracies that is how thjngs work. That is part of the folly of democracy. Leaders are supposed to lead…. Not follow whims. It is like aa company. Good leaders should receive input from their workforce but workforce should not determine how the company operates. Leaders should take into account but make decisions based on what they know or think is correct. Same goes for a husband. But with the complete breakdown in any hierarchy we get societal anarchy. Riches dont necessarily reflect health and overall quality of life.

  317. @Bashibuzuk

    He almost looks Caucasian in this pic.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  318. @animalogic

    I completely agree. The USSR came apart… It wasnt defeated. How could it be a US victory if NATO “needs” to keep expanding because of a so called “Russia threat”. Either they are lying to NATO taxpayers to keep the MIC going – or there was no “win” but simply a reset.

  319. @Anatoly Karlin

    Good point about how the media sways people with government propaganda. As to LGBT whatever rights in Israel. Well Israel if they read their scriptures would know that their “inclusion” and promotion of homosexuality will be there downfall. Iran and Hezbollah and Hamas need not lift a finger against them. But I digress.

    • Replies: @Wency
  320. AP says:
    @AP

    Incidentally, in Ukraine there was a strong nationalistic aspect to land distribution: many of the landlords were ethnic Poles and ethnic Russians; the redistributed lands were to be given to ethnic Ukrainians.

    • Replies: @GMC
  321. @IR

    I agree that defending Karabakh was first and foremost our (Armenians) responsibility.

    However, the whole “anti-Russian” sentiment that you thought existed in Armenia before the war is a lie. The pictures you often see spammed everywhere were from 2013.

    Those protests attracted a maximum number of 250 protestors, if not less than that.

  322. GMC says:
    @AP

    FYI – an old April 2020 statement by :

    – said Medvedchuk.

    It is indicated on the party’s website that the World Bank demanded to revise the adopted law by increasing the “land area allowed for privatization” and “allow legal entities to buy land”. According to the bank, these changes are “critical”, and their adoption will help “attract investment in Ukraine’s agriculture.” In addition, the World Bank demanded to stop the free distribution of land to Ukrainian citizens for personal subsidiary plots, housing and suburban construction.

    According to the Ukrainian opposition, the West requires Ukraine to admit international corporations to the land market that “will quickly crush this market for themselves.”

    Recall that on Monday, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a scandalous law authorizing the sale of agricultural land. As President Zelensky said earlier, the adoption of this law was a prerequisite for the IMF to issue another loan to Ukraine.

    • Replies: @IR
    , @AP
  323. IR says: • Website

    This is absolutely correct, my ancestors benefited from this redistribution. Early Ukrainian nationalism was very much about social justice.

  324. Art Deco says:
    @TheIdiot

    95% of Russia’s wealth is owned by 500 families

  325. IR says: • Website
    @GMC

    Ukraine literally lives handout to handout.

    • Agree: GMC, AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  326. Art Deco says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    [MORE]

    I was thinking it was too bad you’re unmarried and childless, but maybe not.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  327. Art Deco says:
    @IR

    Courtesy the World Bank: net overseas development assistance extended to the Ukraine has since 2004 varied between 0.3% and 1.6% of the country’s gross national income. It is currently running at 0.7%.

  328. Bashibuzuk says:
    @4DChessmaster

    Agree, he looks kinda Turkic. Tesak was of Belarusian ancestry, but he might have had Lipka Tatar roots or Jewish (Khazar) or whatever.

  329. AP says:
    @GMC

    “According to Ukrainian opposition” lol.

    Medvedchuk is part of an actual Nazi-Zionist team. His father was a literal Nazi collaborator who helped the Germans round up Slavs and send them to slave labor. His political partner Vadim Rabinovich is an Israeli citizen.

    The Ukrainian land law bars foreigners from owning the land. It allows locals to consolidate and expand their holdings; previously it had been a chaotic patchwork from the 90s.

    • Replies: @GMC
  330. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Taken from the Slav Epic by Alphonse Mucha.

    https://art-mucha.com/art-by-mucha/the-celebration-of-svantovit-in-rujana/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Slav_Epic

    He had also painted an Art Nouveau poster inspired by Sviatovit :

    (Notice that the young girl is wearing lapti bark sandals…)

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  331. Wency says:
    @Weaver

    Well, the US hasn’t tried and failed to build high-speed trains to my knowledge, the way it has tried and failed to build nuclear. It has only talked about high-speed trains, and in any case long-distance passenger trains don’t make too much sense in a large and thinly-populated country like the US anyway.

    Mass transit systems do make sense, however, and the US has also sort of lost the civilizational capability to build subways, or to add mass transit systems to existing cities. This is where cost disease really kicks in, because IIRC it costs like 10x as much to build a subway line in the US as it does even in Western Europe.

    Thus it was possible to build the New York subway system 100+ years ago, in a supposedly much poorer society that was powered by horses, but it has proved largely impossible to build out a quality mass transit system in any cities that boomed after WW2. I’ll particularly highlight Seattle, because it’s a more space-constrained, coastal boomtown. It’s more understandable why a sprawling place like Houston doesn’t have passable train lines.

  332. This is a fascinating piece of work, albeit being fictional. My question to dear Tolya is: Do you ever get out?

    The amount of foreigners now present in Moscow (and increasingly in other cities too, even in the provinces) is increasing expontentially and considering the fact that the author also resides in Moscow, he is either blind or delirious to the realities on the street (Official statistics are a joke, they don’t even know the real number of Uzbeks and Tajiks walking the streets). In Moscow alone – millions. Many of these чурки eventually also receive citizenship. I would like to point out 3 recent news stories that have not been well documented by dear Tolya:

    1. The news story regarding the school classes in Moscow where there are barely any ethnic Russian kids. This story went so far as to Putin getting involved.

    2. The news story regarding the construction of railways to Central Asia that are meant solely to transport foreign labor directly from Tashkent to Russian heartland.

    3. The recent appearance of a prominent United Russia politician on debate where he outright denied the very existence of the Russian people (because деды воевали of course). This sentiment echoes what Putin himself and other boomers of United Russia expressed before.

    4. The continued prosecution of Russian patriots under article 282 (Tolya falsely claims that this has ceased, but I assume on his part that this is him merely using old data – these numbers declined 2018-2020 but are on the rise again in 2021 and a VK comment in poor taste is enough to risk prosecution)

    All in all, I wish everything in this article was true, but this is obviously not the case. Go visit any sleepy town in Moscow outskirts – It will feel like a Paris (Hold the black and Arab population, insert people from Caucasus and Central Asia).

    This is a difficult time for Russian nationalists. Token symbolism is not nearly enough.

  333. Aedib says:
    @AP

    Croats are mixed.

    Mixed with what? Dalmatian Italians? Genetic differences between Serbs and Croats are over-hipped.

    • Replies: @AP
  334. Barr says:
    @IR

    We need strong Russia . Actually we need a lot of countries with enough strength combining NK and Iran .

    We do not need the ultranationalist demagoguery
    which invariably shows up unless guarded constantly .
    Post -Putin Russia can go either way – Medved type or Zhrinoskvy type .A third way is possible but always under the threat of the 2 .

    Ultra nationalism or racism or religious fanaticism that are ripping though a lot of countries are not the products of one man but the trajectories shaped by gradually cumulative multiple developments or actually failures of the societies .

    ‘Something can’t happen hear ‘ is a dangerous fallacy .
    Only guarding can ensure . Now a days we can add that the task is complex and a self absorbed nation may miss the danger signs other countries raising to awareness or abusing for self interests .

    America ‘s self – absorption into hubris and tendency to adorn those mindlessness with superficial egoism and claims and self – validate those stupidities – usually always encouraged by foreign imposter , opportunistic s , tribal entities , and the newer interests groups who are the products of the maturity and ossification of the developments – have brought America to this moment . We have rises of demagogues whose path to rise traced back to the very golden age of USA .

    Democracy has constrains in size- both in land mass and in population numbers . It’s easy then . Empire has many more Achilles heels .
    One of them is the claim : we are different .

  335. AP says:
    @ValMonde

    Here is a source:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4558026/

    From a strictly genetic perspective, Poles, Sorbs, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Central Russians, Southern Russians, Lithuanians and Latvians are largely one people, with small differences between them. Slavic language originated in their territory so these people can be considered Slavs. Northern Russians are mixed with Finns. Czechs and Slovaks are mixed with Germans.

    Balkan Slavic-speaking people have some Slavic descent but mostly are Balkan people, though not mixed with Greeks. They are thus basically Illyrians or Thracians. Romanians while not Slavic-speaking are genetically transitional, between Balkan people and core Slavs. Overall Slavic genetic heritage in the Balkans is about 20%-25%, same as Turkic genetic heritage among Anatolians (20%) or European heritage of African-Americans (18%).

    https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg200754

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • LOL: Mikhail
  336. Bashibuzuk says:
    @KvachkovWasRight

    Absolutely agree.

    That is why I had so much fun reading this piece by Karlin. It had a kind of Alice in the Wonderland or Magician of Oz feeling about it.

    Tolyan probably never takes his “emerald googles” down.

    And kudos for your pseudonym, Kvachkov did nothing wrong indeed…

  337. AP says:
    @Aedib

    Croats genetically are of two types: northern Croats are like Slovenians, basically Slavs. Southern and Bosnian Croats are basically the same as Bosniaks and Serbs.

    • Replies: @Aedib
  338. GMC says:
    @AP

    Medvedchuk was only the messenger in this info.

    This is SOP for any country dealing with the Western Globalists and their IMF and World Banks. By 2024 the Breadbasket will have more and more globalist owners – from GMO grains to meat exports to cotton and flax production for clothing. Keep in mind that the US Navy is the security on Carghil. port near Odecca, while loading the ships and transporting goods.
    Hopefully the Ukrainian people can keep most of their small farms and expand, but we have seen what happened to thousand of small farms in the US and definitely don’t need a repeat in Ukraine.

    A couple years ago I was close to the Ukie border and there was a guy selling Amerikanskii corn in the local market, so I checked it out – It was definitely GMO KooKaRooza – probably ripped off from one of Monsanto’s farms. lol Got to admit tho, that the GMO corn looks almost perfect. The seed thing isn’t .

    • Agree: sher singh
  339. @KvachkovWasRight

    1. At the very least I live in Russia – unlike you. Moreover, I live in what is probably something like the 98th percentile of all “core” Russian regions by diversity (I dropped some blatant hints here). I have also lived for a few months in London, been to Paris and many other big European and American cities. There is absolutely no comparison between them.

    2. Absurd, hyberbolic claims. Check. At least try to make them minimally believable (“special railway” just to import Central Asians LMAO – do you have any idea about modern airlift capacity?).

    3. Of course endorsed by Bashibuzuk.

    4. Who both, not altogether unsurprisingly, happen to be big fans of a conspiracy theorist who failed at his one “calling” in life.

    And kudos for your pseudonym, Kvachkov did nothing wrong indeed…

    And are then so very surprised about why the Russian government could possibly consider their types a security threat and plant a boot in their face every so often.

  340. AP says:
    @ValMonde

    AP still has to explain where went all the Southern Slaves after 895 AD, the year they got a brand new alphabet to go with the Slavonic they were speaking

    They were genetically absorbed by the Balkan who outnumbered them. Maybe in the 9th century the peoples hadn’t been as mixed and there were still discrete Slavic areas in the Balkans.

    Either way it is not surprising. Proximity to Byzantium made this region more educated and civilized than the Slavic homeland far to the north. And don’t forget that the alphabet used by the Turkic peoples was developed by Anatolian Turks who are themselves of only 20% or so actual Turkic descent.

    Anyways it is off topic so this is my last post about the Balkans on this comment section.

  341. Mikhail says: • Website
    @ValMonde

    Expect more selective BS that conforms with the given bias of the one doing the propping.

    It’s probably no less credible to say that people of Prussian ancestry are genetically closer to northeastern Slavs than Austrians.

    To date, I know of no national wide large scale participation in a DNA study – once again noting that different DNA tests have given different results. As an example, a thorough regional DNA of Poland would likely show differences indicating some Poles closer to Russians than other Poles.

    • Replies: @AP
  342. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    You neither understand nor believe in genetic heritage.

    • Troll: Mikhail
  343. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Who both, not altogether unsurprisingly, happen to be big fans of a conspiracy theorist who failed at his one “calling” in life.

    Bwahahaha !

    Tolyan, be real, goddammit !

    You are writing about a former GRU Spetznaz officer who did more to save Central Asia from Jihadism than both Yeltsin and Putin added together.

    Kvachkov is not a conspiracy theorist at all, he is absolutely correct in his assessment of the RusFed system. He knows perfectly well what he is talking about.

    IMHO he’s a little bit too fixated on the Orthodox Christianity aspect, but that’s about all the weirdness that the old man’s involved with. And frankly, after all he’s been through, it’s more than adequate to place one’s faith in God’s hands.

    Between Putin and Kvachkov, I wouldn’t doubt a minute about whom to trust in a difficult situation. One old man stood firm in defense of his ideals, while the other “бабки делал”. I would trust the Spetz, more than I trust the Spook (pun intended).

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @LatW
  344. Aedib says:
    @AP

    All peoples have regional variations. You have claimed that (Big) Russians show a north-south gradient with northerners showing more Finn and Baltic admix and southerners more related to Little Russians (Ukrainians). Balcanic Slavic people will be no different considering the large migrations that have passed there (Hellenics, Illyrians, Romans, Germanics, Slavs, Byzantines, Turks –which were already heavily mixed-). Anyway, Serbs are nearer to Croats than to Bulgarians (basically a Thracian, Slavic, West Asian admix).

    • Agree: Mikhail
  345. @Anatoly Karlin

    Dear Tolya,

    Allow me to counter some of your points. I am not in any way attempting to attack you, but I will call out some of these falsehoods, lets go point by point.

    1. You are right, just like you have at one point, I live abroad. Just like you, I am also a Russian citizen, and just like you, I have lived in the 98th percentile. So I retain my rights to critique your viewpoints without having less legitimacy. But let us be honest: Even St. Petersburg was for all intents in the 98th percentile through the 90’s and into the 2000’s. Throw in the odd Tatar and Jew, but for the most part Russians and smaller groups of Ukrainians and Belarusians. Is this the case today? I suggest you pay a visit to the historical center of Sennaya (Or the newer construction projects in Murino – story is the same).

    2. The railway story is not true? One can wonder if you pay attention to the news.
    https://rg.ru/2021/09/02/migrantov-budut-vozit-na-strojki-na-charternyh-poezdah.html

    PS. I also noticed you did not give serious commentary to any of the mentioned news stories.

    Putin is a great civic nationalist. He believes in the core principles of the imperial state principles: суверенитетгосударстводержавадружба народов

    This is good for the concept of the state, but not feasible for the future of ethnic Russians.
    The problem of this boomer mindset is that it doesn’t take into account that the horde of Central Asians coming across are born post-Soviet times – They have no understanding of Russian mindset, culture, even language. They did not grow up with Russian compatriots in the schools. You can be sure that the White Death currently ongoing on America has its equivalent in Russia – Old pensionists are dying out, and the new working class – foreign.

  346. Thank you, Anatoly K, for this interesting and optimistic piece.

    [MORE]

    Tears in my eyes looking at Tver cathedral, news of others going up all over Russia. Nicholas II airport, rehabilitation of royalist Black Hundreds Etc.
    But —
    Comments say only tiny percentage Russians attend those mushrooming churches, huge 8-time zone Russia has only 150 million pop and falling vs other ethnicities/religions, support for sodom increasing … frequent news/trends Russian writers all choose to live outside Russia, compete who is in most globo-homo country … ? Except Israel Shamir …

    Good to see public exposure/critique of the grossly murderous crimes of judeo-bolshevism. Excellent, but no seeming attempt to address the crimes of the Red Rapist Army and follow up Red Torture regimes in East and Central Europe ?
    Just yet more Victory Parades over the Nazi Beast, as ordered by Mr Kaufman who specifically wrote that Germany Must Perish ?

    I get the idea that relatives of Mr Kaufman and Mr Morgethau are not displeased with this. Expecially those living in Palestine, as it also appears that Russia does not seriously object to their displacing/killing the native inhabitants.
    Or attacking neighbouring States.
    Hoping to be wrong in my impression of Mr Putin’s foreign policy.

  347. @Metropole

    Ok let me get this straight Islam thanks to its fundamentally primitive belief system as well as imposition of extreme clannishness and inbreeding has rendered all formerly glorious civilizations it has conquered intellectually inert in perpetuity within a few centuries of conquest thus impotent in the industrial age. This has not changed despite the infusion of untold trillions of oil money.The entire Islamic world produces less than half of the quality science that Switzerland (pop. 7 mn) produces.

    [MORE]

    So the above fact should inspire Russia which has had more than its share of misfortune over the past 1000 years to convert to Islam..because this time it will be different?Because a Muslim intellectual says so?

  348. Bashibuzuk says:
    @KvachkovWasRight

    Agree with what you wrote, except this :

    Putin is a great civic nationalist. He believes in the core principles of the imperial state principles: суверенитет – государство – держава – дружба народов

    You have a too rosy opinion of VVP. Without going “full Khokhol” and calling him names (although see below), let’s just note that he betrayed the country he was supposed to defend and he most probably did on more than a single occasion.

    He’s a great opportunist as most KGB and Nomenklatura types were in the final decades of the Sovok. Idealists like Kvachkov were few and far between. Most of them died, killed in the 1993 Yeltsin’s coup against the Parliament.

    And while these people got murdered, Putin was busy “making big bucks ” (бабки делал) in bandits’ Piter. In the blatnoy vernacular, a man like Putin would be aptly characterized as “крыса ссучившаяся”.

    OTOH, Kvachkov was fully respected by even the criminals he was jailed with.

    • Replies: @KvachkovWasRight
  349. @Anatoly Karlin

    Links added, note that this is all from 2021:

    [MORE]

    The situation appearing of schools where Russian kids are for all intents now the minority:
    https://tsargrad.tv/articles/russkim-ne-vhodit-mesta-dlja-migrantov-shkoly-v-moskve-prevratilis-v-getto_411687

    Government planning chartered trains that can hold 1000 immigrants per ride:
    https://rg.ru/2021/09/02/migrantov-budut-vozit-na-strojki-na-charternyh-poezdah.html

    Gospodin Fyodorov of United Russia debates that ethnic Russians do not exist:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajuzPVTtaPM

    Increasing attacks on Russians in “brotherly” Kazakhstan and Kirgizia:
    https://ria.ru/20210816/rusofobiya-1745686556.html

    Man procecuted under article 282 for online comments YESTERDAY (30th of september 2021):
    https://arh.sledcom.ru/news/item/1614758/

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @Barr
    , @GMC
  350. @Bashibuzuk

    I know all of this to be true, I was attempting to meet Tolya on the half-way.

  351. Mr. Hack says:
    @Art Deco

    [MORE]

    No reason to pity Karlin. Obviously he’s currently pursuing his intellectual interests, but being in his 30’s, creating a family could still be in the cards. Choosing to be single, as opposed to being married, however, shouldn’t be considered to only be in the domain of those pursing hedonistic pleasures, as some have simplistically suggested:

    Jesus taught that singleness to be a gift from God. Matthew 19:11-12 states that a person who marries is to leave his or her parents and remain married, but the person who remains single does not carry the responsibility of marriage. Jesus is our model and a perfect example of how we should live our lives.

    https://pairedlife.com/single-life/Singleness-What-the-Bible-Says-about-Being-Single#:~:text=Jesus%20taught%20that%20singleness%20to%20be%20a%20gift,example%20of%20how%20we%20should%20live%20our%20lives.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  352. @Vishnugupta

    “The only western country that does nuclear well is France.”

    I used to think that. Now, not so much.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areva#Post-Fukushima_problems

    “In December 2015 operations at Le Creusot Forge were stopped following a discovery at the Flamanville Nuclear Power Plant. About 400 large steel forgings manufactured by Le Creusot Forge since 1965 found to have carbon-content irregularities that weakened the steel. A widespread programme of reactor checks was started involving a progressive programme of reactor shutdowns. This caused power price increases in Europe as France increased electricity imports, especially from Germany, to augment supply. In December 2016 international inspectors found evidence of recent doctored paperwork, which had not been detected by Areva’s independent quality control checks.”

    Building nuclear reactors, you can’t pour crappy concrete, you can’t forge or cast crappy steel, you can’t forge paperwork. People should go to prison for a long time for such things.

    We are only just onto the third generation of reactors, and the French EPR has problems.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_(nuclear_reactor)

    “the first operational EPR unit was China’s Taishan 1, which started commercial operation in December 2018. Taishan 2 started commercial operation in September 2019. The first two EPR units to start construction, at Olkiluoto in Finland and Flamanville in France, are both facing costly delays (to 2022 and 2023, respectively). Two units at Hinkley Point in the United Kingdom received final approval in September 2016 and are expected to be completed around 2026.

    EDF has acknowledged severe difficulties in building the EPR design. In September 2015, EDF stated that the design of a “New Model” EPR was being worked on, which will be easier and cheaper to build.”

    Not that a Brit can gloat, Blair stopped all new nuclear in 1998, losing a generation of British nuclear engineers. The guys who built the second generation reactors are all retiring. We have no third generation.

    https://www.power-technology.com/news/edf-taishan-nuclear-plant/

    “23 Jul 2021 – French energy company EDF has announced that it will shut down a reactor at the Taishan Nuclear Power Plant in China’s Guangdong province due to damage to its fuel rods.

    The power plant is operated by Taishan Nuclear Power Joint Venture (TNPJVC), a joint venture between China Guangdong Nuclear Power (CGNPC) and EDF.

    CGNPC holds a 70% stake in the joint venture, with EDF holding the remaining 30%.

    After problems were found in fuel rod seals in nuclear reactor No I, EDF analysed data provided by TNPJVC, mainly regarding the primary circuit water’s chemical composition.”

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  353. Bashibuzuk says:
    @KvachkovWasRight

    Thanks for thoroughly debunking Karlin, I was too lazy to do it myself (see my reply to AP above).

    👍

  354. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Hack

    [MORE]

    I’m not in the pity business.

    If you’re unmarried and childless you’re missing out. There are people for whom it is imprudent to marry or sire children – for their own well-being and the well-being of others; if they make honest self-assessments, they note they’re not fit for the most consequential thing ordinary people do; that’s a hard thing to admit.

    His remark was stupefyingly callous, and encompasses a wholly inappropriate disposition to the task of child-rearing.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk, Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Mr. Hack
  355. @YetAnotherAnon

    French EPR problem is that it tries to graft Siemens Konvoi reactor design features onto the Framatome N4..

    It is a bad design. But only one is being constructed in France so its overall impact on French nuclear power is negligible.

    France can easily retrofit modern half speed turbines on existing nuclear plants to get 20%+ more power together with enhanced energy efficiency and increase in renewable especially Spanish solar projects this is enough to comfortably hold the fort till 2030.France should either license build the excellent Westinghouse AP 1000 as a standard future nuclear power plant or design a new power plant.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  356. @Bashibuzuk

    The idea that Russia is ruled by a Zionist-Masonic conspiracy might be something that you earnestly believe in it, but that does not mean it is not a conspiracy theory.

    Kvachkov is a pensioner who lived in a world of illusions in which Chubais was a major figure or even the head of this Zionist-Masonic shadow government (as opposed to being a minor technocrat who didn’t even get particularly rich from the privatizations scheme he designed, and whose main function was to be a scapegoat for those who did), and who believed that thousands of soldiers and workers would rise up as soon as his accomplices seized the army bases and marched on Moscow.

    It was (and is) cruel and immoral to feed the delusions of an old man so, and certainly highly idiotic to follow him, for which some paid fir with years of their lives in prison. Russian justice system is relatively humane, though, and I allow that many of them will probably have spent less time behind bars than the much more slapstick 1/6 cosplayers (who didn’t have assassinations on their minds) will end up doing so.

    But it is as always good and enlightening to know what sort of figures you consider deserving of trust.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  357. Barr says:
    @KvachkovWasRight

    Why do they need foreign workers ? Do the practices follow the same logic, based on greeds of the corporations ? Capitalism anywhere is same , paying cheap and paying less and less . Is it because local Russians won’t work ?

  358. @Art Deco

    Blatantly OT trolling. Ad homs. On something that revealed preference indicate 67% of Americans (and many more Europeans agree on) anyway.

    Enjoy your ban, moralfag.

  359. GMC says:
    @KvachkovWasRight

    Ya thanks for the threads to what is happening with the immigration in MS Russia.
    I saw some during Ukraine , Crimea { summer mostly, no problems } and then it stopped after the vote and now I see a little, probably because of the construction boom and the easy Covid rules. Since Crimea has been flooded with many many Russians and the military , it looks like immigration from the Stans are very minimal problem here. LOL Maybe the whiter you are , the more you notice – Shogun is headed to the Urals with some new towns – not a bad idea.

  360. Mitleser says:
    @Barr

    Yes, but not because of the pay. Such work is not prestigious.

    From the article:

    Это объясняется ростом объемов строительства, запуском сложных инфраструктурных проектов. Зарплаты на стройках растут, даже на стройках по госконтрактам они увеличились за год на 20%, отметил Стасишин. Компании готовы самостоятельно обучать новых сотрудников. Однако число соискателей не растет. Основная причина, считает замминистра, в том, что потерян престиж строительной профессии. Россияне считают, что лучше быть менеджерами, чем работать на стройке, полагает он.

    This is due to an increase in construction volumes and the launch of complex infrastructure projects. Salaries at construction sites are rising, even at construction sites under government contracts, they increased by 20% over the year, Stasishin said. Companies are ready to train new employees themselves. However, the number of job seekers is not increasing. In the Deputy Minister’s opinion, the main reason for that is the loss of prestige of the construction profession. Russians believe that it is better to be managers than to work in construction, he believes.

  361. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Russia is ruled by a Zionist-Masonic conspiracy

    Kvachkov is Old School, he uses the traditional designation of these parasites, I prefer calling them “Globalist Elites ” but it is basically the same thing.

    Kvachkov is a pensioner who lived in a world of illusions

    Kvachkov is a true Russian hero. You cannot understand his type of personality, it is beyond your psychological and spiritual abilities to grasp who Kvachkov truly is.

    Chubais […] being a minor technocrat who didn’t even get particularly rich from the privatizations scheme he designed, and whose main function was to be a scapegoat for those who did)

    What ? LOL !

    Kvachkov […] believed that thousands of soldiers and workers would rise up as soon as his accomplices seized the army bases and marched on Moscow.

    He was first arrested along his son on charges of plotting the assassination of Chubais. And again, Kvachkov did nothing wrong.

    It was (and is) cruel and immoral to feed the delusions of an old man

    Kvachkov will serve his people and his country until his last breath. He pledged to do that many decades ago.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  362. @Barr

    The logic to why Russia “needs” immigration is a bisarre mix of the logic you hear from the center-right part of the GOP in America, and french politics:

    1) It is similar to the GOP argument that it’s
    A) Good for GDP
    B) Russian workers are lazy and demanding
    C) Cheap costs
    D) Population decline and society aging.

    It is similar to the French mindset in that the state is trying to cling on to influence over former “colonial” states and thus started importing hordes of these people to make the countries dependent on remittances, the result is reverse colonization, where former subjects are now flooding in. The same reasoning is also used: “Our immigrants know our language and culture” – which is not true of course.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Barr
  363. @KvachkovWasRight

    Even St. Petersburg was for all intents in the 98th percentile through the 90’s and into the 2000’s.

    I meant that I live in a place that is 98% percentile or so on the diversity scale within “historic core Russia”. Perhaps not quite Biryulyovo (that would be 99th percentile), but close. Prole Moscow suburb.

    It is also the epicenter of the (tiny) Black community in Russia. Within walking distance of where I live:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/no-russabia/

    There’s very few Blacks becoming citizens, e.g. 49 Nigerians. 1 Somali. I happen to live in the part of Moscow that happens to have the highest density of Blacks in Russia. There is an “Afroshop” a few blocks from where I live. When I paid them a visit, the female shopkeeper asked me, in English, “What are you doing here?” in a surly tone. Certainly the Indians, the Chinese, Central Asians are much friendlier and speak in Russia (or at least make an effort to). So yes, perhaps even 49 is too much. But you’ll see 5 times as many in Warsaw.

    And yet all that said and done, I can walk out into the streets and estimate that 80-85% of the faces around me are White/Slav. Many of those that are not are Gastarbeiters who are not getting citizenship. And Central Asians (the Kyrgyz especially, but even Uzbeks and Tajiks) are generally preferable to Arabs with their niqabs and acid attacks, and certainly vastly preferable to Blacks.

    Moscow in the central districts rises to around 90% Slav.

    Saint-Petersburg is 90-95% Slav. Yes, I have been there several times and have walked quite about.

    Small towns within “core Russia” are 98-99% Slav. Rural areas are 99%+ Slav.

    People who unironically believe that even Moscow is some kind of multicultural ghetto strike me as very unusual, they typically either have no experience of what an actual multicultural metropolis looks like (i.e. pretty much any Western metropolis), which evidently does not apply in your case, or I presume they categorize every ethnic Russian with “darkie” features into a churka. Bashibuzuk is instructive in this regard, bizarrely claiming that I am not a Slav even though as an ethnic 70% Slav, 25% Dagestani, and 5% Odessan (Jewish & Italian), I am a Slav by any reasonable definition of the word.

    The railway story is not true? One can wonder if you pay attention to the news.

    So they’re not actually “constructing” railways (as you claimed) for filling up Russia with Infinity Uzbeks, but merely making transport arrangements under the existing Gastarbeiter system.

    It’s good to be precise with language.

    Well, I don’t see how it contradicts anything of what I wrote. I have written before that there are 3-4M Uzbeks with an immigration status in Russia: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/no-russabia/

    However, every year, only 20-25k of them become Russian citizens.

    There are still about 500-750k Russians in Uzbekistan. So as I alluded to here, some significant share of those new “Uzbek” citizens will just be repatriating Russians.

    I also noticed you did not give serious commentary to any of the mentioned news stories.

    News stories are noise. Statistics are data. I’m not interested in noise. Obsessing over the latest /pol/ hit is emotionally draining and a waste of time.

    ***

    I looked at the 282 case you cited:

    Ранее подследственный привлекался к административной ответственности за размещение материалов, содержащих признаки возбуждения ненависти и вражды по признаку национальности, однако в течение года после этого продолжил размещать экстремистские материалы. В ходе допроса на стадии предварительного следствия он свою вину не признал.

    Приговором Котласского городского суда Архангельской области подсудимому назначено наказание в виде 2 лет 6 месяцев лишения свободы условно с испытательным сроком 2 года 6 месяцев с лишением права заниматься деятельностью, связанной с размещением информационных материалов на сайтах электронных или информационно-телекоммуникационных сетей, в том числе сети «Интернет», сроком на 2 года.

    So, a suspended 2.5 year sentence for posting “ethnic and religious hate” within a year of having posted similar things. Obviously, I don’t support it, though hard to say exactly how outrageous it is without having access to what precisely he posted. Nonetheless, all you have to do now to avoid the risk of prison for 282 in principle is to just avoid being an idiot on social media for just one year after the first strike, then you’re good to go being racist again. As I said, it’s now just an IQ test and a marshmallow test.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  364. Mr. Hack says:
    @Art Deco

    Karlin is pointing out that not many couples that find themselves in the position of having to give birth to a down syndrome child relish the thought of having this responsibility. He doesn’t denigrate those that take up the challenge. Those that do, are probably Christians that value life and deserve our support and prayers. Reading this piece, it’s not clear how much closer Karlin’s come to holding Orthodox precepts nearer to his heart. His summation remarks, as to the purpose of the new church, is less a ringing endorsement too, but again a restatement of the reality of things as he sees them:

    Run directly by the Ministry of Defense, and at least as much of a war shrine as it is specifically Christian, it can in some ways be considered the apotheosis of the Victory Cult that has become Russia’s real ideology and religion under Putinism.

  365. @Bashibuzuk

    From a performance art perspective, Kvachkov wasn’t entirely bad, but Yukio Mishima had much better aesthetics – as well as “skin in the game”.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  366. Wency says:
    @Showmethereal

    I wouldn’t bank on those LGBT rights persisting forever. The ones who read their Scriptures are also familiar with the 127th Psalm. They’re seeing to it that Israel has an ultra-orthodox majority by century’s end.

  367. I was wondering if someone knowledgeable on Russia could comment on the following:

    People over 40 and who lived through the Soviet era generally have a positive opinion of China. They see in China what the Soviet Union could have become. China is their lost dream.

    On the other hand, the younger generation (people under 40) are either nonchalant towards China or have a negative opinion of China. They have a negative opinion of the current Russian government too. They believe that by cooperating too much with China, Russia is pulling away from her Westernness. They view themselves as a lost member of the ‘great Western family’, so understandably, they don’t think positively of China. There is probably also a shade of racism in it.

    The Russian cultural elites certainly think negative of China. They view themselves as part of Europe and more often than not have a Eurocentric view towards China. Needless to say, they would very much like Russia to distance itself from China.

    When it comes to the other way around, however, most Chinese have a positive view towards Russia and its people. Soviet music and culture are still somewhat popular in China. Russia is probably among the three most important countries which have influenced China, the other two being India (Buddhism etc) and the United States (after 1980s). Most Chinese know that politically China and Russia are close. They also mistakenly believe that most young Russians have a positive view towards Chinese. Thank God they never go to Russia or talk to young Russians, or they will be quickly disillusioned.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  368. @Vishnugupta

    The AP1000 may be excellent (though the two US reactors have many delays), but it bankrupted Westinghouse and now China owns the technology.

    “As of July, 2021, China is the sole operator of this reactor design and currently developing more advanced versions and owns their intellectual properties.”

    “only one (EPR) is being constructed in France”

    That’s the trouble, the UK ordered two!

    “design a new power plant”

    The French designed the EPR, which has caused so many problems. I gather they are designing a version with fewer problems.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  369. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Stop being such a cheap Troll.

    🙄

    There are things that should command respect in any sane individual.

    Bravery should be one of these.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  370. Dmitry says:
    @Boomthorkell

    Yes that is true life expectancy improves steadily in Russia since around the year 2005, and at least each year before the recent pandemic. But my opinion it rises from an abnormally low level, so I’m not sure how much we should congratulate the authorities.

    Peoples’ lifestyles are becoming more healthy and less self-destructive on average, less alcoholism, slightly less smoking cigarettes. But it’s not like the authorities have invested so much in hospitals or healthcare system. (From my very limited experience of seeing them, I find the appearance of the hospitals “very not re-assuring”).

    Russia improves on life expectancy, unlike USA in the last few years. But the level is significantly below anyway. Life expectancy tracks Bangladesh (Bangladesh is from a development category, to say it politely). Hopefully the momentum of increase would include more investment in healthcare, so by 2030s it will be more like at least China.

    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
  371. Metropole says:
    @Vishnugupta

    Ok let me get this straight Islam thanks to its fundamentally primitive belief system as well as imposition of extreme clannishness and inbreeding has rendered all formerly glorious civilizations it has conquered intellectually inert in perpetuity within a few centuries of conquest thus impotent in the industrial age.

    I beg to differ with your assessment. Just the example of your own country, India, is enough to disprove your contention. Even though India is a very low IQ, low potential country, under centuries of Muslim rule it achieved it’s greatest splendor.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  372. @Metropole

    Greatest splendor? ROFL.

    As a Pakistani why don’t you entertain us with tales of your pure Persian,Turkish and Arab bloodline.

    I guess its much better than having to face the truth of being a conquered and converted people mostly formerly low caste Hindus.

  373. Dmitry says:
    @KvachkovWasRight

    Putin is a great civic nationalist…… believes – государство – держава – дружба народо

    He might be great or not. But I don’t see in what way he can be called nationalist.

    His policy is moderate imperialism. Unfortunately, imperialism often includes jingoism (just as unfortunately some of the less attractive historical examples of nationalism can), but sharing one common feature of jingoism in a Venn diagram between two different ideologies doesn’t mean there is the same ideology.

    We need Bart Simpson to write on the board “sharing one common feature of jingoism in a Venn diagram between two different ideologies doesn’t mean there is the same ideology” over and over.

    Russia “needs” immigration is a bisarre mix of the logic

    They are building much of the construction, including the churches ( https://govoritmoskva.ru/news/139447 )

    This isn’t specific to Russia. In the USA, there are Latin Americans providing the lower jobs in the construction industry. In Israel, there are Palestinians. In the Germany, there are Poles. In Poland, there are Ukrainians. In Japan, Chinese and South East Asians. Etc. It’s like a food chain diagram.

    To repeat obvious things, Putin is managing not from his personal opinions, but from the reality of balance of powers, and his friends with large resources and construction industry have more importance in the real world balance of power than Ivan Ivanov.

    The attitude of the elites to the ordinary people is one of concessions, in face of some extent of collective bargaining power of the ordinary people. In Russia, there is a relatively passive, easily managed population that can seem happy with breadcrumbs from the table, and not an unusually strong collective bargaining power.

    That’s not to condone the authorities, as even by accepting the immigrants, does not mean open-borders policy is a good idea. At least to minimize disadvantages, even construction industry should prefer a carefully filtering, selective immigration system. Elites should start to be a better self-regulating here.

    Even elites themselves being in a strong position, should understand the need for selective immigration filtering.

    In external policy, the Russian Federation is also trying to recover some of the imperialist, great power status, and this includes prioritize of customs union (similar to Germany’s strategy in the EU, USA’s strategy with Latin America and NAFTA, UK’s strategy with Commonwealth).

    French mindset in that the state is trying to cling on to influence over former “colonial” states and thus started importing hordes of these people to make the countries dependent on remittances, the result is reverse colonization, where former subjects are now flooding in. The same reasoning is also used: “Our immigrants know our language and culture” – which is not true of course

    Yes there is definitely some of this view from the external policy side. Not just in Russia, but in the other “Great Powers” – United Kingdom, Germany and France, etc.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  374. Barr says:
    @KvachkovWasRight

    I have come to realize that the important things in life for individuals and for society not available though to the residents of the big empire or big large land mass is religion , sense of belonging to each other and have physical emotional persoanl access to the leaders who run the societies .

    The distance tends to disconnect people from realities that matter . It does even in this internet age and will not improve .
    That disconnection leave room for liars opportunists thieves and demagogue. Media uses 1/4 of the realities and offer smokescreen for the rest .

    In the absence of the first hand exposure, and inability to ask questions ,challenge wrongs and offer input or raise common communal awareness , we end up as victims of the processes that run the big land mass . Our imagination ,preferences ,and sense of self, or sense of self respect ,and responsibility get dislocated , het broken and get misplaced .

    There is lot to learn about the rise of the oligarchs in Russia until 2000 and about their fight to regain the power . We need to fine comb so that it exposes our passivity , weakness , and dangerous disinterest . We need because it would happen again and again . An empire offers a fertile soil for these forces to rise even in the best of the times .

    Bringing immigration to do what natives should do is also part of that process . It introduces elements and factors that eventually undergird these oligarchs and the corporations . To destroy the resistance and alternative solution , these forces introduce concepts like humanity and freedom of movement or market forces .

    We are asked and we are forced to get conditioned to newly minted or altered ideas and concepts that have no relevance but are made to look like that they have .

  375. Meanwhile looks like Putin-Erdogan talks re Idlib/Syria have collapsed.

    The situation in the Syrian region is slowly spinning out of control. A Russian-Turkish ceasefire agreement reached last year is barely holding up.

    https://southfront.org/failed-putin-erdogan-meeting/

  376. LatW says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Russian Zoomers are way softer than we were in the early 90ies.

    The whole European part of the ex-USSR is currently living off of the demographic and physical strength that was created in the 80s. To maintain that…. that’s a challenge but it’s not impossible. Physical exercise used to look a bit different back then. However, even now there are positive fitness movements, etc., just how widely will they spread?

    But it looks like the elites are on it. Shoigu is initiating a major “drang nach Sibir”. What do you think about this? 🙂

    The concept of the future idea of Russia was presented to the national security council by the government advisor Andrei Ilnitsky (in collaboration with Sergei Karaganov, et al). This looks like something that is supported by the “imperial / silovik” wing of the Kremlin and spearheaded by Shoigu. It talks about how the world is moving into a more unstable phase and that Russia has what it takes to move through this phase successfully if the existing resources — mainly the human capital, the Russian people’s long historical experience and their ability to mobilize — are used in the right way. That instead of the old model of “trying to catch up with the Western democracies, to catch up by inertia”, Russia needs to deliberately craft its own, new model that is consistent with its metaphysical and historical idea, and, above all, its geography.

    https://www.pnp.ru/politics/vremya-bolshikh-resheniy.html

    Important quote from the article:

    Модель «Россия будущего» — это народная империя, основанная на принципе «самодержавия» — не в смысле восстановления монархии, а в смысле истинного народовластия, где мы — россияне — во главе с сильным государственным лидером (государем) сами себя держим через сильное местное самоуправление,  каким, к примеру, было земство в конце XIX века.

    The model of “Russia of the future” – it is a people’s empire, based on the principle of autocracy – not in the sense of restoring the monarchy, but in the sense of a genuine rule by the people, where we – the Russian citizens – headed by a strong leader (“sovereign”) are ruling ourselves via strong local governments, such as, for instance, “zemstvo” at the end of the 19th century.

    I saw you mentioning “narodovlastie” in your previous posts and you probably have your own definition of it, and I bet you don’t believe that this conceptual doc is truthful or realistic, or maybe realistic, but not geared towards the Russian ethnos, but this is nevertheless interesting.

    P.s. Такой кайф опять читать Ваши посты, мудрый барин. Просто супер.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  377. LatW says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    And frankly, after all he’s been through, it’s more than adequate to place one’s faith in God’s hands.

    The old man’s got some real force in him, given what he’s been through, including lately.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  378. @YetAnotherAnon

    The IP rights of the AP 1000 is with Toshiba.

    The Chinese have built on this design and have the copyright of this modified design not the original AP 1000.They have similar licensing agreements with Areva.

    This is similar to how Korean OPR and APR reactors built by KEPCO are based on Combustion Engineering System 80+ design.

    French are basically designing a new reactor.They tried to sell us the EPR but failed our design review we bought the Russian VVER reactor instead and are very happy with these not to mention the package deal included informal consultative assistance to our naval nuclear reactors used in our nuclear subs.

  379. AP says:
    @KvachkovWasRight

    The amount of foreigners now present in Moscow (and increasingly in other cities too, even in the provinces) is increasing expontentially and considering the fact that the author also resides in Moscow, he is either blind or delirious to the realities on the street

    One hears these complaints from Muscovites fairly often. My aunt complained to me that she took the metro early one morning and saw so many Tadzhiks that she thought she was in Paris. But these complaints remind me of, say, complaints by people from Toronto about excess crime in their city (it is nonexistent compared to crime in any large American city). They come from people who take for granted what other places lack.

    Moscow is certainly less European/Slavic than places like Kiev but based on my visits there (last one was in December 2019, just before Covid) probably only 10% to 15% of its people are not of Slavic appearance.

    Incidentally, the population of Vienna when I visited in summer 2019 appeared to be about as European as Moscow, although this may have been because of all the Russian tourists, natives might be a different ratio. So not every large Western city is like Paris or London.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @Weaver
    , @Dmitry
  380. It is refreshing to see a nation unapoligically committed to the prosperity and survival of its people., especially when such people are white while the rest of the world has put a target on our backs. The russian model atleast described in this essay seems to reflect my view. That you can protect and promote yours without oppressing or hating others. It is easy to see why the ptb likes to undermine and demonize russia at every turn.

  381. LatW says:
    @AP

    They are not comparing to Vienna or Paris. They are comparing to St Pete and Moscow of, let’s say, mid 2000s.

    • Replies: @AP
  382. Weaver says:
    @Dmitry

    Thank you for these comments. I get the impression that imperialism and a sense of grandeur or great pride are often very harmful to a people.

    Could Russia not encourage its own birthrate? GK Chesterton was a “Little Englander.” Could Little Russia work at some point while remaining strong enough to be independent of the US? How much territory might a Little Russia lose, for example had the Chechnyans seceded?

    Supposedly, a stable state will slowly rot, but an “expanding” state that brings in foreigners doesn’t seem healthy either.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  383. Weaver says:
    @AP

    One positive of immigration into Russia: Russians might remember, in reaction, that they are European after all. And that Byzantium was Roman.

  384. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    Moscow is different, as it has unrepresentatively high salaries. But for general Russia, that’s from being relatively unattractive for immigration, welfare or income working, except from the postsoviet space (where people don’t have alternative options). It’s not related to any nationalism from the authorities.

    It’s like Americans asking why Mexico or Malaysia is not flooded with immigration from Africa, while the whole world is trying to live in America. It’s not because of the strict border control of Mexicans. I know in my own experience, it is far easier to cross from USA to Mexico, than from Mexico to USA.

    Moscow is very nice and high income, so it could attract a foreigners from outside of the SNG. For ultra-wealthy Moscow, median salary is \$1000 per month (before tax), although there is income tax, and not much welfare. (It’s still not attractive for immigration like Paris, with \$2700 median salaries after tax, and a lot of welfare).

    But not many foreigners will be flooding to live in a more representative places of Russia (does it sound attractive to you to immigrate to Kemerovo, Pskov or Kirov regions, where median salaries are below \$350 per month?).

    Almost all the African and Indian students in Russia, exit from Russia immediately after their studies. This isn’t related to “nationalist policies of Russian politicians” – the policies from the country are friendly, and universities try to be hospitable to foreign students (foreign students receive the best accommodation buildings in the universities).

    It’s also not related to unfriendly people. In Russia, most people are not racist in a personal or confrontational level (unlike in American culture), and these foreigners have a happy social experience while they are in Russia, and people are friendly to them. But they always try to exit after – many of have been likely planning to use their university education to try to immigrate to Europe. Education in Russia can be viewed by them as an affordable stepping stone to improve their immigration opportunities to Europe. Often those students from third world countries will be saying “I love the people in Russia”, while at the same time they have zero interest in applying for a visa to work as a graduate in Russia.

  385. AP says:
    @LatW

    I’ve been visiting Moscow since 1999 and have seen no big increase in the Center. There has been an increase in certain districts like along the grey metro line outside the ring but overall not a significant difference.

    • Replies: @LatW
  386. LatW says:
    @AP

    no big increase in the Center

    It would be strange if there were, as not even many Russians can afford to live in the center, much less migrants.

    It is also true, btw, that many of these are relatively decent migrants — hard working, relatively peaceful, – compared to other “options”. It just depends on how much change one is willing to tolerate. Some tolerate more, others less. As Bashi said, to each his own.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @AP
  387. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    Sure, Moscow centre will always be elite and “gentrified”, and this controls its demographics (even if – which is not exactly true – Russia had been somehow flooded with uncontrollable numbers of immigrants).

    Although it is expensive for Russia, but not compared to equivalent cities in the West. i.e. very cheap compared to Manhattan.

    If you look in fashionable parts of Manhattan like Greenwich Village – it’s like the extreme high costs have ethnically cleansed the traditional lower income African American population of New York. Demographics of people who can afford in such expensive areas of Manhattan – seem to be WASPs with some few East Asian people?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @LatW
  388. AP says:
    @LatW

    It would be strange if there were, as not even many Russians can afford to live in the center, much less migrants.

    There used to be more Caucasians in the Center than before, now that I think about it. I remember in the early 2000s they would sometimes wear spectacular clothes – Italian “elf shoes,” white designer pants and shirts, lots of gold on their exposed chests.

    Elf shoes, for Dmitry:

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  389. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Although it is expensive for Russia, but not compared to equivalent cities in the West. i.e. very cheap compared to Manhattan.

    Moscow prices collapsed after 2014. Rent is about half of what it had been before.

  390. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    Sure, Moscow centre will always be elite and “gentrified”, and this controls its demographics

    That was exactly my point. You won’t see it downtown, in the EE and presumably Russia as well there is a different perception of urban status. It is prestigious to live downtown (or in the historical center) and less so in the “rayon”. Whereas in the West and especially the Anglo countries, the city center is not considered a prestigious abode (except if you’re a bohemian) and usually hosts financial institutions, businesses, etc. Safer, better groomed neighborhoods are where middle class people choose to live. But in the EE it’s different — it is still prestigious to live right in the center (although it appears to be changing a little with families spreading out of the city). Migrants will most likely be living in the poorer “rayons”.

    Btw, this was addressed in the article I posted. There is now this utopian idea floating around that Shoigu will build out Siberia, create new cities there and that these will be more suburban and not “megapolises” that hinder fertility and cause atomization. The only question is who will build them and who will live there.

    Russia had been flooded with uncontrollable numbers of immigrants

    I don’t believe it has, or that it is not controllable at this point. However, something is going on and has been for the last 5 or so years. The truth is that we haven’t given enough birth and it’s now starting to show. The question is how it’s going to be managed. Russia has the privilege of attracting folks from the SNG, so it can keep pumping in folks (for decades, it’s been pumping in Ukrainians, Caucasians, Tajik, etc). If you can employ, let’s say, a certain percentage of foreign workers in the country and keep it at that level and just rotate them, it might work. But for how long?

    The other question is if it is becoming a nuisance or not. Dima Dyomushkin believes it is. But he has very high standards. Then again, if there are indeed issues, such as it seems, that a percentage of them do not actually speak Russian (and maybe they don’t need to, who knows), and that there are occasional “stichki” with the locals, then it’s not great. The rich and the hipsters in the center will not be bothered, but if the working and middle class in the “rayons” are harassed, then it’s not great. I know that recently an older woman was murdered in a horrific way, for instance.

    Anyway, Moscow has always hosted a certain non-Slav element and Moscow will have enough resources to handle this. Now, St Pete on the other hand… That’s a Northern city, and if these problems start appearing there, then it is indeed very bothersome.

    Greenwich Village […] people who can afford in such expensive areas of Manhattan – seem to be WASPs with some few East Asian people?

    Duh. 🙂 A bunch of hipsters is not what we’re worried about.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  391. Dmitry says:
    @Weaver

    Yes I think a lot of money for imperialist external policy should have been invested for domestic infrastructure, technology, education and healthcare. But I guess this isn’t a controversial or unusual view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Great_Powers

    • Agree: Weaver
  392. @SeekerofthePresence

    Correction—

    “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 NKJV

  393. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    we haven’t given enough birth and it’s now starting to show

    But in many of the big cities (excluding like Omsk, Barnaul, etc) the population is growing, and there is pressure on the housing supply.

    So while in overall the country there is now slightly falling population, the cities have growing populations, and even a sense of overpopulation occurring and a real boom.

    In any economically successful cities like, like Saint-Petersburg, Moscow, Tyumen, Ekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, Ufa – there is such a population flood.

    And Saint-Petersburg and Moscow are in a crazy population boom. Young people are acting like some kind of vast herd of wildebeest marching across country to rest there.

    So from the national perspective, the population is stagnating, from the local perspective that many residents of successful regions experience – the population is growing.

    In the long term, it will be somekind of science fiction megalopolis scenario for Moscow.

    From the view of people like AK, this will be cool, and he should be happy. He doesn’t need to be interested if the property prices are falling in Barnaul or Bratsk or something like that.

    It’s understandable and health even as well – our brains are not designed to worry too much about cities which are 3 thousands of kilometres away from us, and that’s good for our mental health. Most people are focused on their local situation. ​

    Neither are we designed to even understand about numbers of people larger than about 80 (or whatever was our tribe size in hunter-gatherer times). And we’re deluded, if we think we can even conceive about the reality of concepts like “150 million people”.

    If you meet one Russian citizen every 10 minutes, and work for 24 hours a day (imagine a cyborg Putin who doesn’t sleep, but works 24 hours per day to meet all his constituents), then it will be 3000 years of work to meet every Russian citizen (and only for such a short meeting!). Of course, you would also have to preserve the life of the citizens for thousands of years in order to achieve this meeting.

    Siberia, create new cities there and that these will be more suburban and not “megapolises” that hinder fertility and cause atomization. The only question is who will build them and who will live there. ​

    In Russia, people are more vulnerable to become computerized than many other countries even, because of the climate and the light. So the question will have to be – how to regulate the computerization of peoples’ life, so that it can not create something dystopian.

    People in Russia are already becoming extremely computerized, so there has to be improvement in the quality of the regulation of the computer sphere, and with a more humanistic and civilized orientation.

    As for Shoigu’s new city will be in the region near Krasnoyarsk. Krasnoyarsk – where a lot of plants are closing, and the infamous pollution from the metallurgy industry is annoying the residents. Maybe if they build some kind of ecological, pollution-free, “garden city”, they can receive refugees from Krasnoyarsk.

    new cities there and that these will be more suburban and not “megapolises” that hinder fertility and cause atomization

    It depends if they will actually spend a lot of money.

    From the level of certain new affordable housing being construction now, you can be sceptical about reduction of atomization from modern, low budget urban planning. In other words, nonatomizing architecture is not cheap. Whereas cheap architecture is what allows affordable apartment prices.

    Duh. 🙂 A bunch of hipsters is not what we’re worried about.

    Lol if you believed Spike Lee, and New York Times, “gentrification” is indeed one of the great dangers of our epoch.

  394. 216 says: • Website

    After this update to its American-written Constitution, which was imposed on it in 1993 by tank barrels,

    That’s a Bluestan-written Constitution, and Bluestan is not America.

    Redstan, the real America, would have imposed a much different, and far superior Constitution.

  395. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    It depends if they will actually spend a lot of money.

    That’s what I’m wondering about, too. But if they’re already talking about it, maybe they will? It is also puzzling why build a brand new city, instead of continuing to rebuild the existing ones. Either way, it would require a ton of money and a ton of labor.

    nonatomizing architecture is not cheap. Whereas cheap architecture is what allows affordable apartment prices.

    That’s exactly the dilemma. The private investor will not build large family homes en masse. Because the local market simply cannot afford it. Instead they keep building these fancy “muroveiniks” with max 2 bedrooms, where you can house max 1-2 kids. There is now another great “invention” – a half studio, half one bedroom, namely the kitchen is combined with the living room plus there is just one bedroom. Yes, very nicely done, modern design, but wtf? It can work for a single person but not a family.

    And only a few men can build a brand new home for their family with their own funds. So it has to be the state who will do it. As I said, some families are moving to the outskirts of the city (this maybe happening in Russia, too), and the birth rates there are rising. But to make it faster, the state needs to build more housing. Or find some kind of a formula to make it profitable for the private investor. So maybe that’s what Shoigu’s plan will be?

  396. LatW says:

    Neither are we designed to even understand about numbers of people larger than about 80 (or whatever was our tribe size in hunter-gatherer times). And we’re deluded, if we think we can even conceive about the reality of concepts like “150 million people”.

    Of course, we can and we do. One million or 150 million. If it is our people, we all live in one mental space.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  397. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    Btw, Dima Dyomushkin said that construction costs are very high in Moscow – second highest per square meter only after Tokyo.

  398. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    we all live in one mental space.

    This idea of our lives being re-iterated to inconceivably vast numbers, is our reality, but not something people can understand.

    It remains like a dark sinister shadow in the background, and something very disillusioning for modern people (since already the 19th century, but especially by the 20th century).

    It’s even if you just go to the cinema with your girlfriend – if you see one other couple that looks like you, it’s not too bad. But if you saw 5 or 10 other couples, then any romantic sense, is replaced with a strange self-conscious feeling (that you can’t describe).


    In images.

    We’re designed to feel like we are unique (as we experience ourselves as if we are a universe).

    The perfect romantic setting, can create this illusion.

    Whereas if you want to breakdown the person’s romantic illusions and uniqueness, maybe the best method (and used for this reason dictators or cults), will be a mass wedding.

    Sadly, between the two – mass wedding is reflecting our real situation of modern man, after the explosion of the population.

    But you would pay a lot not to look at it. Even an architecture which gives you a view of a few hundred battery farmed families can have a damaging effect on peoples’ psychology.

    Probably we are simply not evolved to understand this reality, as current our numbers absurdly more vast than anytime of our ancestors, and our ancestors didn’t travel and see even the smaller numbers of people that lived in previous times.

  399. antibeast says:
    @Dmitry

    Just out of curiosity, how much do these apartment units cost per sq. m.? Are foreigners allowed to buy these housing units? And does Russia impose real-estate taxes on the owners of these units?

    Thanks for any reply.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  400. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    This idea of our lives being re-iterated to inconceivably vast numbers, is our reality, but not something people can understand.

    Hm, this reminds me a little bit of Kant’s description of the sublime in The Critique of Judgment (the third book of his Critiques, on aesthetics). Where he talks about the perception of the magnitude of things. When we stand near a mountain, it appears infinite, we can reason about its size but our sensual faculties cannot apprehend it empirically. Maybe that’s how you perceive a people, a nation. I view it more as common “headspace”. To me it is very empirical, very tangible (traditions, experiences, myths, language).

    Well, there are less brutal ways to show unity than mass weddings. There are song festivals, sports competitions, military parades, various celebrations. It doesn’t have to be that brutal.

    Regarding those multi-storey houses: Imagine living there on the 10th floor and opening your window in the morning to the view of all those other windows. It might feel for a moment that you’re kind of in “Kosmos”, on a giant spaceship or something.

    • Agree: Dmitry
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  401. @Dmitry

    Each human is an island universe, entire of its own, and when I die, I’m taking my universe with me.

  402. @Dmitry

    Russia will get nowhere and forever be in danger of a New Yeltsin, unless it gets rid of the ‘representative democracy’ farce. Believe me, when I peruse all the ‘liberal democracies’ world-wide, there are none, in my opinion, not dominated by outright psychopaths and gormless dullards, ALL in the pay of capitalist thugs.

    • Agree: Robjil
  403. @Bashibuzuk

    What a bizarre assertion. The Waffen-SS were brave. Azov Battalion fighters are quite brave. Islamic State suicide bombers are brave. In your world, are people required to “respect” them? (Not to compare Kvachkov’s clowns with any of them).

  404. @Cho Seung-Hui

    This seems like a copy-paste from https://www.quora.com/What-do-Russians-think-of-China-and-Chinese-people-44

    On the other hand, the younger generation (people under 40) are either nonchalant towards China or have a negative opinion of China.

    No, it is not, it is Western supremacist, neocon propaganda designed to undermine Sino-Russian friendship.

    Actual data: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/notes-on-russian-attitudes-on-china/

    Percentage considering China to be friendly by age group: 18-30 – 71%; 31-45 – 58%; 46-60 – 61%; 60+ – 58%.

    ***

    They believe that by cooperating too much with China, Russia is pulling away from her Westernness.

    This is what people in the respondents’ internationalist, foreign agent, West-worshipping, Anglophone posting-on-plebbit circle believe.

    It does not describe what normie/vatnik Russians (80%+) think.

    • Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui
  405. Meena says:
    @Vishnugupta

    [MORE]

    https://www.globalhungerindex.org/ranking.html Indian stands shoulder to shoulders with sub Saharan Africa for mutual food deprivation problem or stands toe to toe to argue who is better fighting in the hunger .

    Many of the bio-medical-scientfic achievements like transplant of head of elephant to man and ancient discoveries of Relativity and E equals MC2 that could have developed further were cut short by the invasion of the muslims .Now India is finding its feet again.It has saved the world from Corona by Jan-Feb 2021 and cow dung has found its rightful place after the cow unit encoring cancer impotence aging and corona.

    Indian cities are cities of rapes and the streets are littered with the images of the goddesses surrounded by human waste . It is like Indian democracy -looks great as wallpaper for Trump types to walk into the hall for deals at ease .

    India lags behind its neighbors in many developmental indices .
    Its history is history of getting rid of the sublime and replace that with filth of Hinduism .Destruction and replacement of Buddhism in India and Nepal attest to the fact of the degeneration wrought by Hinduism . Putting Shiva penis image in the Taj Mahal attests to its nature or degeneration .
    Blame game is what describes the RSS-BJP ’s approaches to education,and explanation covering the tracks of the failures of Hinduism from pre-medieval times to the present .
    Its a sick religion .

  406. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I think that bravery is to be respected as a quality in itself.

    Do you suggest that we ought to rank bravery according to our political ideology, religious beliefs and cultural preferences ?

    Do you believe that we should despise the bravery of those people who adhere to belief systems and ideologies which we consider antithetical to those we chose to subscribe to ?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  407. AP says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Yours is a very Romantic idea.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  408. Bashibuzuk says:
    @LatW

    Уважаемый LatW, Вы слишком добры в оценке моих скромных способностей. Ну какой из меня барин ? Я в лучшем случае скорее крепкий среднячок двух-лошадник подлежащий раскулачиванию и перевоспитанию в колхозе имени Карлина.

    🙂

    Regarding your post: yes all European post-Soviet countries are mainly living off the ressources, both demographic and natural that have been developed in the last decades of the USSR.

    In Russia, the post-Soviet elite added some infrastructure development, mainly transportation and pipeline related, but nothing on the scale of the Soviet Union achievements.

    The limiting factors for further infrastructure development are natural (climate mainly), ideological (capitalism), demographic (exhausted population growth) and spiritual (hedonistic nihilism).

    Whatever Kremlins declare about the future of RusFed, they will face these limiting factors, of which some have been only reinforced (if not outright created) through their decisions and actions or lack thereof.

    Climate of course will not change enough to transform Russian glubinka into Provence. Demographics are bad and will become worse. Spiritual and ideological inclinations could be reformed, but it will not happen under the current system.

    Kremlins are heading into a dead-end. They understand this and signal some willingness to change, but the only effective reforms would entail the limitation on elite hedonism, and this is something they cannot do. They did their best to climb up high and consume as much as humanely possible. They won’t give up on their nouveau riche ways just because there is an urgent need to “enlarge the trans-sibirian railway “.

    Therefore, everything will keep moving in the same direction. No new cities will be built in Siberia and no apple trees will be planted on Mars.

    Instead, Moscow and its oblast’ will reach 35 million people, Piter will become a 10 million agglomeration and with Leningrad oblast’ will probably number up 15 million people, while Sochi will transform into a 2-3 million people city along with Krasnodar Krai reaching up to some 10-15 million population.

    Together, these regions will number around 45 – 50% of RusFed population, the European part of RusFed will house the immense majority of RusFed citizens mainly concentrated into a couple dozen of large towns.

    https://apn-nn.com/analytic/proekt-20-aglomeratsiy-shans-dlya-provintsialnoy-rossii/

    https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/razdelenie-rossii-na-20-aglomeratsiy-realnost-ili-utopiya

    https://tass.ru/pmef-2017/articles/4308990

    https://ria.ru/20180723/1525104415.html

    The hinterland will be depopulated and exploited by the TNC using a maximum automation and minimum human development approach, while most Rossiyane will live concentrated in smart cities – human anthills and demographic black holes under a constant surveillance.

    In the end RusFed will be no different from the rest of Globalistan with ethnic Russian population dropping by half if not more by the end of the century. No narodovlastiye, no direct democracy, but a slow and inexorable decay of human ressources towards the final Calhoun mice utopia.

    (Москва суть третий Рим, четвёртому не бывать… )

    • Replies: @LatW
  409. Bashibuzuk says:
    @AP

    Mine is just a traditional Russian way of thinking.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @AP
  410. @Bashibuzuk

    Bravery is a noble character trait. It can be used for good or ill (though opinions on the latter will vary). I think my position here is entirely mainstream.

    I don’t recall saying that we should “despise the bravery” (!?) of people we disagree with. This is more of a normie position, that involves factually ridiculous – if politically astute – proclamations like “terrorists are cowards” (in reality, terrorists, especially those with “skin in the game” which end with small bits of their skin plastered all around a busy transport terminal, are objectively way braver than the population average). It is also understandable that both authorities and most people don’t give a shit about the “bravery” of such characters, and aim to detain and eliminate them, or otherwise constrain their opportunities to weaponize their “bravery.” Ofc as AP points out there are Romantics who feel otherwise, young lower IQ girls in particular seem to be prone to it, e.g. see the vast amounts of love letters to Tsarnaev.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @Dmitry
  411. sher singh says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    You’re still a gay||

    [MORE]

    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/call-to-arms-by-guru-gobind-singh-ji

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  412. RJ867 says:

    There is a subtle but important difference between “наш человек” and “свой человек”.

    The former can be interpreted as “our guy”. The latter is best understood as “one of us”.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  413. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Can you quit trolling for once or has it become your second nature?

    BTW, this post-ironic tamudism of yours is typically Noviop and is very different from the way простые Русские люди used to think. That’s the problem with you people: нету в вас духа Русского – одни смехуёчки…

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  414. @Bashibuzuk

    Simple Russian man from Lugansk, not even a hint of Talmudism here. While I’m not that big on Stalinist necromancy, we all have our colorful quirks.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  415. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You see, you cannot stop it. You have to keep on trolling. And of course this whole “effortpoast”of yours, is also an “effortrolling” and nothing else, just directed at mostly foreign audiences. You must have chuckled more than once while writing it…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  416. @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, it is of course a copy and paste. The author has written provocative answers on other topics, so I was curious as to what Russia-watchers thought. Thank you.

  417. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    f Kant’s description of the sublime

    Lol yes, but you’re using telepathy. It’s what I wrote before in the final paragraph of this post https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-116/#comment-4132405

    Imagine living there on the 10th floor and opening your window in the morning to the view of all those other windows. It might feel for a moment that you’re kind of in “Kosmos”, on a giant spaceship

    For aesthetics, I guess we just need to leave these anthills some time to “age”.

    Already 20th century houses have wistful beauty, like abandoned shipwrecks of lost civilization.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-95/#comment-3569136

    • Replies: @LatW
  418. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    As the discussion from the days of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle – there is a difference between bravery and recklessness. This distinction was historically usually a first thing they argue about in philosophy discussions about bravery.

    “terrorists are cowards” (in reality, terrorists, especially those with “skin in the game” which end

    For example, if a person is very depressed and does not enjoy their life, then it can become easier for them to kill themselves, than to continue living. In this case, people might say “suicide is cowardly”.

    Also, there are people whose brains are conditioned to be adrenaline addicts (in this case they experience pleasure from the recklessness), or people who might lack normal fear-response. Or teenagers who have understimulated lives, and their parents couldn’t afford Disneyland Paris (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mciwwbeog_o.)

    On the other hand, – to add another cliché example, if there is perhaps a happy man, who is just engaged to a beautiful girl, has many things to lose – and he falls on a grenade to save his friends. (e.g. which is a reality that is part of the military legends
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Croucher
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roi_Klein
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Andrew_Barnes_III )

    Then we will usually say this person is brave.

    In philosophy history, they usually tried to connect bravery to a concept of wisdom. So bravery is an action that includes a wisdom and knowledge aspect as well, and with a noble intention (i.e. school shooter killing innocent people is not described as brave, as their motivation is sadistic or to experience power).

  419. Dmitry says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Although you are the person with the worst position to complain. You are only posting here again because he had the skills to trap you. We can only admire these skills. This is a sign of a professional.

    If an average bridge engineer tries to write a “popular internet blog”, then he will probably be lucky if one person will read it – and this will probably be his wife.

    AK has hundreds of comments under his posts, written by people who are not his wife – this is a master of their profession. These skills developed over many years by an internet professional. This is a craftsman.

    By the way hopefully you’re staying and not going to be the next German Reader?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  420. @Meena

    Facts about a certain arabian mental illness you insist on calling a ‘religion’.

    [MORE]

    1. Founded by an illiterate(The only major religion founded by an illiterate)
    2. Founded by a SEX PERVERT (50+ year old getting it on with child was a sick perversion even in an age where child marriages were common)
    3. Divide the world into believers and unbelievers and feel it is the divine right of the believers to persecute non believers.
    4. Interesting ritual of pointing your backsides to the sky(Symbolising heaven ?) faces to the ground(Symbolising hell?) 5 times a day.
    5.Has problems and armed conflicts with all other religions on all continents. There is not a single non muslim city/country where the Muslim population is >5% and there are no problems/regular clashes.
    6.Wants to be understood and insists on being treated with kid gloves and special treatment(halal food,separate prayer rooms at airport etc etc) but insists on their inability to give equal rights to non believers on the ground that their holy book supposedly revealed to the illiterate pervert(reason for describing Mohammed as such is covered in points 1&2) prevents such treatment.
    7.The vast majority think it is appropriate to kill people for leaving their religion/cult.
    8.The vast majority believe in stoning/amputation as legitimate punishments in the 21st century
    9.The vast majority thinks blasphemy should be punished by death.Even the ”moderates” are campaigning against misuse of blasphemy laws not their repeal.
    10. Calls itself the religion of peace

    • Replies: @sher singh
  421. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Dmitry

    Dmitry, I absolutely agree that Anatoly’s blog is highly readable and very entertaining. Karlin is a talented and intelligent man. But he is no Russian nationalist, and of course (as we both know) Russia is not experiencing some “nationalist rebirth”. To experience such a rebirth, a nation must first extricate itself from the Globalist maze. A nearly impossible task nowadays, not only for Russia, but also for the vast majority of other countries and populations around the world.

  422. Mr. Hack says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    What exactly do you feel that Karlin either has written or has shown in his deeds that would extricate him from being considered a nationalist? Do you consider yourself as being a Russian nationalist?

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    , @Bashibuzuk
  423. Dmitry says:
    @antibeast

    It’s cheap for any international standards – \$30000 for 20 m² studio apartment . Maybe around \$1500 to m². This inconveniently outside, but from a very economically and demographically booming city.

    But you have very little infrastructure – eventually they will run a tram there but until now residents complain about 1 hour traffic to leave the area.

    This is a microdistrict which was hyped by the government, opened with the Russian president, leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church, and Viktor Vekselberg.

    But for such high population density, they didn’t plan enough roads or parking, so residents are finding too many cars when they want to go to work in the morning.

    According to some YouTubers, quality of the construction can be – weaksauce.

    Some of it looks not so bad

    There was a nationally reported story in Russia few years ago of a teenage girl who killed herself, because she was reading too much manga (this is what some “stereotypical boomer” politicians said – “we need to ban Death Note”).

    What was reported actually is that her family had moved into one of the buildings in this microdistrict (the building is shown in the video above). And few months later she jumped from the balcony of this building. And they found she had a lot of “Death Note” manga in her bedroom.

    But who knows what has motivated her depression? Considering she had just been moved to live in this new micro district, an architecture critic could have tried to argue it was the building (it’s as likely as saying it manga’s responsibility, this architecture).

    • Thanks: antibeast
  424. Metropole says:

    [MORE]

    @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron,

    I would like to draw your attention to these Indians trolls, like @Vishnugupta, who seem to be trying to impose their own will on your website.

    I love this website, and recommend it to others, because of the high intellectual standard of the articles and comments. People are respectful of others’ opinions….except some Indians.

    I stopped visiting this site months ago because of a highly aggressive Indian. Then I came back and, low and behold, another Indian launching attacks on threads that have nothing to do with India.

    Indians seem to be imposing their own controls over free speech on this website. I hope you can take back charge.

    Regards

    @Metropole

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Troll: Vishnugupta
  425. @Mr. Hack

    Most Russian nationalists have problems with the path Russia took at some point in the past.

    In the case of Anatoly and many others that is the Bolshevik revolution.

    In the case of Bashibuzuk that historic wrong turn predates Peter the Great..takes place around the time of the christianization of Russia IIRC.

    Its perspectives like this that makes this blog interesting.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  426. @Bashibuzuk

    Leaving aside the question of my nationalism or lack thereof (which many Russian nationalists seem to have no trouble accepting based on the debate and podcast invites I constantly receive https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEfGpelsj-PKy6DTKC5XUvhErFB7xVlZP from NazBols https://vk.com/podcast-55790675_456239089 to oppositionists like Zadumov and the Общество.Будущее people… who might perhaps be a bit more qualified to make the judgment than you, but I digress), in your world, what exactly must RusFed do to become a “national state”?

    Like, OK, let’s take Nazi Germany. I assume that nobody here would deny it was a nationalist state. I am obviously not comparing RF to NS Germany, but let’s for just a moment look at some of the things that were happening in the ur-example of a nationalist state, one that was in fact extremely and psychotically so.

    Freedom of speech for random rightoids? Ask the Strassers and Brownshirts. Hitler wanted a monopoly of power and brooked no opposition from the Right. Putin is a baby in this respect, he doesn’t go about exterminating oppositionist nationalists, he doesn’t even imprison them any longer. Russian RW oppositionists do find it hard to do electoral politics (Roman Yuneman and Savva Fedoseev both denied registration under probably spurious grounds), but as oppositionists, as people who cooperate with Navalny’s “Smart Vote”… it’s not too shocking that they would be butted out of the way in an authoritarian state in which the Supreme Ruler feels, not unreasonably, that nationalists owe him their loyalty after all he’s done for them since 2018.

    Zero immigration? There were 10 million “Gastarbeiters” working in Germany by 1944. Granted, not entirely under their own volition in many cases, totally suppressed labor rights, and Slavs were forbidden from seducing German women. But nonetheless, it thought nothing of exploiting foreign labor forces, within its territory, for its own needs. To take a less “powerful” example, “Based Poland” has millions of Gastarbeiters; that they are predominantly Ukrainians is mere coincidence, it does not practice racially based restrictionism, and you do meet the occasional (and increasing numbers of) Central Asians who are slowly starting to opt for it over lower wage Russia as well as rising numbers of subcons. That Ukraine doesn’t get Gastarbeiters isn’t because they’re based but because they’re poor. Thanks in part to cheap Central Asian labor, one big Russian province of Krasnodar constructs nearly as much new housing in a year as all of Ukraine (=> providing affordable housing for ethnic Russians in their own country; average living space per person has increased 50% under Putin).

    Corruption amongst silovik elites? Are you aware of Konto 5? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery_of_senior_Wehrmacht_officers Many of the resident Wehraboos on this website, I suspect, would be surprised and dismayed to learn that Hitler maintained a slush fund to pay off the generals in return for their loyalty, which kept exponentiating in scale through to the end of the war.

    The similarities to Ozero need hardly be pointed out. Of course, such “parallel” “remuneration” are nothing special, they are repeated in various forms in semi-authoritarian to authoritarian states from Hungary to China. In fact, the profound irony is that these “corruption” schemes are an indispensable part of “extricat[ing oneself] from the Globalist maze” (if you don’t pay your elites, then others will). So I don’t know why you of all people would complain about this.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @AP
    , @kzn
  427. Fr. John says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    All of this may be true, but Fash the Nation’s podcast on Jewish involvement in the world’s politics, called “Don’t Fink Me, Bro” clearly pointed out that non-White ‘guest workers’ in Moscow total more than the entire population of PARIS.

    How this is to be a ‘good thing,’ or just one more Finkelstein apparatchik like Orban, Trump, et al. for Israel, I have yet to figure out.

    Russia will only be free, when she is Jew free.
    Same for any other White Country.

    “Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the bourgeois states are only its consequences,” Rakovsky, says. (All page citations from Griffin, Fourth Reich of the Rich, 1988, p. 264) – ‘Christian’ Rakovsky (born CHAIM Rakover in 1873) was a veteran Communist insider facing execution for plotting to overthrow Stalin. from ‘The Red Symphony’…

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  428. @songbird

    Russian companies just opened 4 nuclear reactors in China… France just opened one… And many are Chinese indigenous designs. China’s massive need for nuclear energy means there is plenty of room for Russian nuclear power systems over the next 30 to 40 years.

  429. @Fr. John

    … clearly pointed out that non-White ‘guest workers’ in Moscow total more than the entire population of PARIS.

    You are a moron.

  430. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    There is fundamentally one thing that a nationalist state must uphold and increase: the demographics of the native population. Native populations must increase in numbers and wealth. Their standard of living must be directly tied to the overall wealth of the state and the performance of its economy.

    In RusFed, there is a relatively small class of parasitic, globalized, mostly Noviop elite that is inserted as a social circuit breaker or a filter if you prefer, between the general RusFed populace and the economic wealth and political power. That stratum of affluent and globalized minority is literally playing the role of a parasite in the body of the ethnic Russian and other native populations of the Russian lands.

    These parasites are driving up the inequality index year after year, while the masses are kept rather poor. The whole RusFed economy is an extractive mechanism to deprive the native masses from the wealth generated through a shameless exploitation of Russian natural and human ressources and technological heritage acquired through extreme hardships and self-sacrifice of the Soviet period.

    Interestingly enough, most of these extractive, parasitic elites are directly linked with either the former Soviet deep state and security agencies, organized crime and/or former Nomenklatura and their subservient propagandist intellectuals. They are basically multinational turncoats, who changed their allegiance from the CPSU to the Globalist networks.

    They basically funnel RusFed riches to the Globalistan bankers cartels, the Western 1% ers and the TNC. Meanwhile Russians and other native populations are living a demographic downturn with no end in sight.

    This should be absolutely unacceptable for any nationalist. If anyone accepts this, let alone finds it positive, then this person is not a nationalist in any meaningful way.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  431. @AnonfromTN

    “Only imperial stupidity of directly antagonizing China made it shift its position.”

    Not entirely correct. Russia and China solved their border issue and signed a Friendship Agreement prior to the West open antagonism toward China. “Barr” who you replied to said China shouldn’t have allowed Russia into the SCO made no sense since it was co-founded by China and Russia. Now it is true that since the US and it’s dupes have become openly antagonistic to both it has accelerated Russia and China building ties – but they were already happening – just more slowly. For instance BRICS was already in motion before sanctions on Russia over Crimea. BRICS had the stated goal to slowly break away from the US dollar in commerce and trade between BRICS nations. It just sped it up.

    Russia and China signed that friendship agreement in the 90’s simply because large nuclear armed neighbors benefit more as friends than being hostile. Even just the fact that you don’t have to watch your mutual border as much is very liberating…. NATO and Quad actions just sped things up – but aren’t the reason for the friendship.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @AnonfromTN
  432. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Please see my reply to Anatoly above.

    BTW, everything I write about RusFed also directly applies to Ukraine or other post-Soviet states, with perhaps the notable exception of Estonia.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @LatW
  433. @Bashibuzuk

    These parasites are driving up the inequality index year after year…

    Fact: Russia’s Gini index reached 40 around 1993. It has remained at that level with only very minor variations since.

    Meanwhile Russians and other native populations are living a demographic downturn with no end in sight.

    Russia’s TFR has remained at 1.5-1.8 ever since 2008, which is not superlative by industrialized world standards (really we’re mainly just talking France here, and until recently, Scandis and the Anglos), but somewhat above average relative to Europe and East Asia. More importantly (because more comparable), it is also typical to slightly above average relative to the rest of Eastern Europe. Poland has been consistently lower, around 1.2-1.4. Only Czechia has been significantly higher.

    You issue a lot of rhetoric that boils down to unprovable claims (“funneling RF richers to “Globalistan bankers cartels”… whoever they are) but in the real world TFR is a factor of things like social support, religiosity, housing provision, etc.

    Russia instituted very generous “maternity capital” and has been doing that since 2007. Relative to its income levels, it might actually be the most generous one, bar none, in the world.

    You can’t just tell people to be religious and multiply, but tons of churches are being constructed (something that you actively counter-signal, I note) and education in Orthodoxy has been expanded.

    Housing per capita increased by 50% under Putin. In fact, housing space per capita has increased at a faster rate under Putin than in almost any European country (if from a very low base thanks to the Soviet legacy).

    Assisted reproductive technologies are being generously financed. https://populationandeconomics.pensoft.net/article/58271/

    The main difference between you and Putin, is that Putin is doing real work. You prefer to whine about “parasitic elites” like a Western #OccupyWallStreet activist. The irony is that in the (happily purely hypothetical) scenario people like yourselves get into the Kremlin and start a war on the banksters, financial “globalists”, etc., you will quickly bankrupt the country, bring about real (not imagined) penury to Russians, and ironically force the end of the all the above trends driving TFR back down to the 1.1-1.3 levels of the 1990s to early 2000s.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @AP
    , @Levtraro
  434. Dmitry says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    As they say, jokes are damaged when you try to explain them.

    If you look at the beauty of AK’s post from the first picture down, and then first 29 comments in this thread ending with your re-entry to the forum – this is aesthetically perfect. This is concept art. Probably AK could lock the thread after that.

    Well just add Rahan’s unrealistically perfect comment #53 as a coda.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  435. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Vishnugupta

    One has always to keep in mind that present day borders, countries and nations are rather recent.

    Populations and genetic lineages on the other hand are a completely different story: they are as old as human evolution itself.

    [MORE]

    If we look at today’s Rossiyane (all RusFed citizens, not only ethnic Slavs), we see a population descended mostly from the ethnic groups that were present in the USSR. The USSR inherited its ethnic makeup from the Tsarist Empire, which was a rather radical “update” on the Muscovite Tsardom.

    Muscovite Tsardom appeared after the era of Golden Horde domination on most lands that were to become the core of the future Russian Empire.

    Before the Golden Horde, most of these territories were either under the ancient Varangian Rus, Volga Bulgarian or Kipchak control, and before that under the Khazar domination etc.

    Interestingly, the genetic makeup of the populations in the current RusFed territory stayed relatively constant since these ancient times. That is, the modern day Rossiyane are mostly descendants of these ancient native populations that had been living in these lands since the neolithic.

    Does it mean that the present day RusFed is directly linked these ancient polities?

    I believe the answer being an emphatic and resounding No.

    Ancient Rus ended during Khan Batu conquest. Old Muscovy ended during the Raskol and the Peterine reforms. The Tsarist Empire ended during the February bourgeois revolution. USSR was destroyed during Perestroika. Each of these states was to some degree a negation of the preceding historical polity that it replaced. As a consequence, any historical continuity is largely a fiction.

    But the most important points of major civilizational change leading to RusFed are two: the Raskol/Peterine reforms and the Bolshevik revolution. After the Peterine reforms ethnic Russians and other native ethnic groups became mostly enserfed in their own lands, ruled over by a Westernized elite of which a great many were not of native background, but were Westerners brought by the Romanovs to lord over the peasant masses. After the Soviet revolution, the Russian and other native populations experienced a strong pressure to give up on their native identity and adopt the (fake and gay) Soviet one.

    Today Rossiyane, both elites and masses, are the byproduct of these extreme historical experiences. They are an exhausted population lorded over by a largely rootless Cabal.

    • Thanks: Vishnugupta
    • Replies: @sher singh
  436. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    As I wrote above, no major country today has what it takes to be free from the Globalist network’s influence.

    Globalism must run its course, like some diseases must run their course before an acquired immunity develops.

    Nothing is forever. RusFed isn’t eternal either, there will be something different down this path. Perhaps it will be better for the populations that live there. Perhaps not.

    Поживём увидим…

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  437. AP says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    It has been traditional all over the Western world for the last 200 years or so – this idea that as long as someone is sincere and brave and true to his ideals there is a nobility in him. But it was not once the case. While courage itself was recognized as a positive trait, courage in the service of what was seen as wrong or evil did not redeem the courageous person – it rather made him more of a noxious pest. The more sincere, brave, and true someone was in pursuit of what was evil or false – the more dangerous and evil they were, it was all the more necessary to eliminate them mercilessly. This was how the Europeans viewed one another during the religious wars. Similarly, a 17th century European encountering very brave natives would saw them as being particularly evil and devilish, and worthy of destruction. They would not be celebrated. On the other hand, a 19th century European would still defeat them but would view them as noble savages and their defeat as a sort of necessary tragedy (a 21st century European, of course, would wish that the natives won).

    We are of course all immersed in this and therefore it is sort of a default way of viewing others. Only some extreme cases, such as brave Nazi sadists or Islamic killers of children, can break us through the Romantic spell.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin, Not Raul
  438. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “Based Poland” has millions of Gastarbeiters; that they are predominantly Ukrainians is mere coincidence, it does not practice racially based restrictionism, and you do meet the occasional (and increasing numbers of) Central Asians who are slowly starting to opt for it over lower wage Russia as well as rising numbers of subcons.

    Poland deliberately excludes Muslims. It takes in Indians and Filipinos but by far most of its foreign workers are Ukrainians who are basically genetically identical to Poles and speak a language that is as close to Polish as it is to Russian (so they learn Polish quickly).

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  439. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I want to thank you and Bashibuzuk for his rebuttals and your counter-rebuttals. Very interesting and enlightening.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin, Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  440. LatW says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Я в лучшем случае скорее крепкий среднячок двух-лошадник подлежащий раскулачиванию и перевоспитанию в колхозе имени Карлина.

    Вы не среднячок не в коем смысле! 🙂

    Do not give in. 🙂 For the rest of us, the truth is somewhere in between most likely.

    In Russia, the post-Soviet elite added some infrastructure development, mainly transportation and pipeline related, but nothing on the scale of the Soviet Union achievements.

    Well, it’s not like nothing was built by the parents in the 90s and onwards. But it’s clear now that if they saw such massive urbanization continuing, then they should’ve either built more appropriate housing or remodeled the old housing stock in some way. And found a way to redistribute the investments more evenly.

    We’re approaching the demographic cliff any year now. It’s probably already here. I shudder just thinking about it. This is literally the last moment to mobilize the women born in the 80s, if the jackasses in power really cared about it, it could be possible to at least partially salvage things.

    Kremlins are heading into a dead-end. They understand this and signal some willingness to change, but the only effective reforms would entail the limitation on elite hedonism, and this is something they cannot do. They did their best to climb up high and consume as much as humanely possible. They won’t give up on their nouveau riche ways just because there is an urgent need to “enlarge the trans-sibirian railway “.

    It’s really about balance, not sure if these existing elites are redeemable, but in general there should be an affluent elite in every nation, consisting of natives, so the fact that there are rich leaders in Russia in and of itself is not bad. The issue is just who they are, where they invest their money, and what their values are. And how they are controlled. They should be controlled through narodovlastie and a mutual social contract between them and the society. Yes, accrue wealth, but share ffs. Create a broad ownership class. I remember that article you posted about building the middle class or national bourgeoisie (for the lack of a better term) in Russia and it was spot on.

    Re: Siberia. Maybe this project is something that Shoigu and Putin talked about during those mushroom picking getaways in taiga. This project sounds extractive at its core (minerals, timber, aluminum, etc), but hypothetically they could create nice urban villages around those industrial centers. However, they’d have to significantly raise salaries there to attract people, with some kind of a combination of state and private investor. It could also be that this project is meant to signal that Kremlin is willing to change, as you say.

    No narodovlastiye, no direct democracy

    Well, that would require some kind of a rule by referenda, which might be super cumbersome in Russia. However… it almost feels that the Russian people are ripe for real party politics. Judging from this last election, there seems to be some demand forming for real, non-systemic political parties. Ofc, the competition to United Russia is being cleaned out, some commies are even being snatched from the metro and taken away. If they clean out all the competition, who will build these new parties (or reform the existing ones)…

  441. @AP

    The Tajik taxi driver we had must have been a figment of our collective imagination. (I can get a friend to confirm in a comment if you doubt it). I’m certainly not claiming there are a lot of them, but there are some.

    Poland invites in Ukrainians because they are next door and poor. Not because they are Slavic racialists. 😉

    Obviously, I don’t see any mass flow of Central Asians into Poland, so this will be a non-issue. (Korea is more prospective as an alternative to Russia for them). The 1M Tajik diaspora that Russia will eventually get is non-ideal, but irrelevant at the end of the day. Poland will develop a substantial subcon population. Though it will also be irrelevant, in the big picture. The real and only question is how many of the 3-4B Africans projected for the end of the century will end up abroad, and where. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/youthquake-will-drive-millions-of-africans-on-trek-towards-europe-kp2vv33s6 Europe is the prime candidate. Within the EU, Poland is cheap and has pretty girls.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @AP
  442. LatW says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    BTW, everything I write about RusFed also directly applies to Ukraine or other post-Soviet states..

    It is uncanny how closely things track with Russia. Ofc, with the notable exception that Russia has resources (which just makes things more extreme in some ways).

    with perhaps the notable exception of Estonia.

    Barely, but yes. Estonians are pragmatic, they don’t talk much but they do.
    Also, not to take away credit from Estonia, but one could speculate that Estonia was spared a bit more in World War 1&2. Of course, they were ravaged cruelly, but possibly a little bit less severely than others.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  443. @Bashibuzuk

    As I wrote above, no major country today has what it takes to be free from the Globalist network’s influence.

    Russia is more “free” from it than the vast majority of other countries in the world.

    Which is why, again, I’m asking what RusFed can do differently.

    Going back to Hitler: Here are German historical TFRs.

    1960s Germany was more demographically successful than NS Germany. Was Adenauer more of a German nationalist than Hitler?

    (These are really stupid arguments, but they are responses to what I see as really stupid assertions, namely that a TFR that is not particularly bad by industrialized world standards is proof that Russia is run by an unnamed Globalist Cabal of some sort).

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  444. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    I’m not a history expert, but I think Estonians were for a long time one of most educated nationalities in the Russian Empire.

    I pointed to AP last week about the fertility rate there.

    Estonians were rapidly in demographic transition in the end of the 19th century, which indicates about their socioeconomic level.

    I guess Bashibuzuk talking about now Estonia, as it is a theme this week in the internet – Varlamov produced a 2 hour film about their success.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @Bashibuzuk
  445. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    Lol yes, but you’re using telepathy

    Telepathy indeed. It just came to my mind because I thought maybe this idea of Kant, which places the human being and the power of his reason, in the center of everything would alleviate the negative thoughts you said you were getting from crowds, anthill buildings, nationalism, etc.

    “The irresistibility of [nature’s] power certainly makes us, considered as natural beings, recognize our physical powerlessness, but at the same time it reveals a capacity for judging ourselves as independent of nature and a superiority over nature…whereby the humanity in our person remains undemeaned even though the human being must submit to that dominion.”

  446. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    I hope that they’re not through yet. Anatoly’s comment #451 certainly deserves a reply. I’ve always felt that their exchanges are among the best here, and they usually bring out the best in each other…

  447. sher singh says:
    @Vishnugupta

    [MORE]

    TLDR All Islamic rulers used to get fucked by teenage boys they kidnapped for the purpose.

    See only 72 Virgins in Islamic Heaven but unlimited Gelman (slave sex boys)

    NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WOKE + ISLAM ALLIANCE PPLS?

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  448. @Vishnugupta

    If what you write is true – then how come so much of European advancement came about from things they gleaned from the Islamic Golden Age…

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  449. sher singh says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Quit crying.

    [MORE]

  450. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    I just started watching these series and was quite impressed by how well produced and quite objective the one about Estonia is. It’s a bit PC, but generally ok.

    However, they still have the same issues as everyone. Same concentration of population around the capital, recently they’ve even been having some Finns move there. And a few others who probably shouldn’t be there… and, no, I’m not talking about Russians.

    The good news though is that they’ve been spreading out a bit recently and building more private housing on the outskirts of the city.

    There was a little blip of higher fertility around 2017, same as in Russia, et al, but it’s again down to 1.6 something and who knows what the post-Covid life will bring.

    The Estonian minimalist architecture is… very minimalist. It’s a reflection of their peaceful and straightforward mindset. It’s a bit too minimalist for my taste, as I by far prefer the rich, luxurious Art Nouveau of Riga.

    Btw, Baron von Ungern is from Estonia. It seems his property was on the island that I have visited a lot. His manor was burned down in 1905. Crazy times…

    Speaking of the old German manors, some of them have been restored very nicely, there are even not so rich private individuals who have bought them and are trying to restore them bit by bit. It’s admirable and quite an endeavor because they take a lot of work to restore. Might be easier to buy a brand new property, but some people care about heritage. I would imagine same story as with those beautiful wooden lace houses in Irkutsk that we talked about.

    Looking forward to watching more of these series.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  451. Joseph A. says:

    It’s a pleasure finally to read some good news.

  452. Metropole says:

    I think that Anatoly Karlin wrote an excellent article and the comments are fascinating. Believe it or not, I’ve read all 458 comments. I’ve learned a lot about Russia.

    My regret is that Anatoly gave me a troll rating when I was only trying to defend against an uncalled for attack by an Indian troll.

    [MORE]

    My second regret is that Indian trolls are allowed to keep posting crap that is is against any norms of respectful discussion. It’s in keeping with their nature of attacking when they feel safe from retaliation. Hindus would normally be too scared to say any of this filth against Islam in person unless there are 100 of then for every Muslim. They know that they’ll get the crap kicked out of them. Cowardice is deep in their nature, which is why they were slaves of the Muslims and British for 1,000 years. First time they get independence and they start behaving like thugs.

    I don’t want to derail the thread, which is why I won’t mention what I really think of them.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  453. LatW says:

    There was a little blip of higher fertility around 2017, same as in Russia, et al.

    And this fertility thing… there is only one way to improve it. By restoring the gender balance and by making healthy the relationship between the R1a man and woman again.

    Toly is absolutely right that these pro-natality gibs that were put in place recently could be some of the most generous in the whole European world. Similar to Putin, the Baltic States, too, have increased maternal payments, offered the most generous IVF assistance, restored churches and improved the infrastructure for the families. This is working, but it’s not enough. They have not made quality housing more accessible and salaries, while on the rise, are not there yet.

    Slavic women want to have more children. The only way is by empowering the Slavic men so they become more attractive for companionship. Jobs, higher salaries, better health (finally quitting smoking), etc. The men need to once again display, and the women will follow.

    Not sure if these older guys such as Putin, Shoigu, etc, understand this. There needs to be a younger president, in his late 40s – mid 50s. The gibs need to be combined with younger, responsible men taking ownership of society.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  454. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The Tajik taxi driver we had must have been a figment of our collective imagination. (I can get a friend to confirm in a comment if you doubt it). I’m certainly not claiming there are a lot of them, but there are some.

    I’m not doubting your veracity. The fact that a small number of Muslims got in (likely because they did it through Russia, as “Russians”) doesn’t contradict the fact that Poland excludes Muslims.

    Poland invites in Ukrainians because they are next door and poor. Not because they are Slavic racialists.

    Of course it isn’t some sort of official pro-Slavic-immigration policy. Poles simply don’t mind having Ukrainian workers around. In contrast there is no way they would tolerate 1-2 million Algerians or Afghans or Iraqis.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @Metropole
  455. sher singh says:
    @Metropole

    [MORE]

    How does it feel that the Khalsa was created in 1699 AD & within 50-60 years

    Mughal
    Afghan
    Persian

    All Caliphates had fallen||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  456. LatW says:
    @AP

    In contrast there is no way they would tolerate 1-2 million Algerians or Afghans or Iraqis.

    Exactly. Or even 1-2 million confident Swedes or Germans. 🙂

    The Ukrainians are supplicating.

    The subcons started appearing around 2017 or so.

  457. Metropole says:
    @AP

    Of course it isn’t some sort of official pro-Slavic-immigration policy. Poles simply don’t mind having Ukrainian workers around. In contrast there is no way they would tolerate 1-2 million Algerians or Afghans or Iraqis.

    It is understandable why Poland may have reservations about Muslims. The latest flood of refugees to enter Europe were from war torn countries destroyed by US, UK, France, etc. In other words, the Zionist alliance destroyed a whole series of Muslim countries–Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan etc. and then Merkel invited people from those very same countries to Germany. That’s asking for big trouble and Europe got it.

    In the case of Africans, Gaddafi’s Libya was holding them back. He made a statement saying that if he’s gone Europe will be flooded with Africans, and that’s exactly what happened. By they way, most Africans are Christians.

    Countries like Canada have strict immigration criteria and they get the cream of the crop. In EU whoever can cross the Mediterranean on a boat gets in. No wonder there’s so much Islamophobia in Europe, but relatively little in Canada.

    • Replies: @AP
  458. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    Russia and China signed that friendship agreement in the 90’s simply because large nuclear armed neighbors benefit more as friends than being hostile. Even just the fact that you don’t have to watch your mutual border as much is very liberating…. NATO and Quad actions just sped things up – but aren’t the reason for the friendship.

    Don’t forget that China also agreed to settle its land border disputes with ALL its neighbors including hostile ones like Vietnam with the lone exception of India which refused to negotiate with China. The reason had to do with pragmatism as the Chinese didn’t want to allow the land border disputes to negatively affect its bilateral relations with its neighbors. Rather than endlessly quarrel over those issues, China wanted to settle those problems once and for all.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  459. @showmethereal

    Russia and China solved their border issue and signed a Friendship Agreement prior to the West open antagonism toward China

    Signing a treaty and actually doing what’s written in that treaty are different things. For example, the US keeps signing treaties, but its signature it worthless, as the US never abides by the treaties it signs. JCPOA is a typical example.

    The border issue is just one aspect of it. Of course, as long as they have sane leaders, both Russia and China need a non-hostile nation, preferably a big trading partner, across their humongous border. But that nation does not have to be an ally.

    Look at the UN SC voting. Some years ago when Chinese were sure that Russia is going to veto something, China abstained. Nowadays it votes against it along with Russia, even though one veto is sufficient to kill a resolution. The US managed to promote an unnatural alliance between Russia and China. It will last as long as the US is the major threat to both. It will be reduced to non-hostile mutually beneficial trade after the threat from the US banditry disappears.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  460. Seraphim says:

    Why a ”Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation Between the People’s Republic of China and the Russian Federation” is an ‘unnatural alliance’?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  461. @Seraphim

    Good neighborliness and friendly cooperation are natural. Anything going beyond that is not.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  462. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    reflection of their peaceful and straightforward mindset

    Not saying this is a representative sample. I’ve only known ever one person from Estonia in my life, and he is half-Jewish (Russian-speaking Jewish) and his mother is Estonian.

    He was ok, but his personality a bit cold and not so friendly. My image of Estonians (from sample size of 1 person) is a successful careerist, but cold, stoical, not so friendly dude. Really “cold northern” personality.

    Arvo Pärt is very cool though. I should pilgrimage to his museum in Estonia, while he is still alive (apparently you can see him there some days) – also buy the most hipster looking things in their shop. https://shop.arvopart.ee/en#!/

    • Replies: @LatW
  463. antibeast says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Good neighborliness and friendly cooperation are natural. Anything going beyond that is not.

    China wants good neighborliness and friendly cooperation with ALL its neighbors.

    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @AnonfromTN
  464. @showmethereal

    From the early bronze age the Middle East was a very productive region in terms of scientific and cultural achievements.

    This is very impressive given the fact the middle east had a fraction of resources required for sustaining pre industrial civilization like arable land and fresh water compared to say India and China.

    The Islamic golden age lasted a few centuries when hitherto extremely productive civilizations most notably the Persians again started contributing.

    [MORE]

    Baghdad was founded a few kilometers away from Csteciphon one of the capitals of Sassanian Persia which was systemically dismantled.The ‘house of wisdom’ is a zoroastrian persian institution.

    But under Islam the middle east went from a leading region of human civilization in terms of intellectual output to a non contender and has basically stayed that way despite trillions of dollars of oil revenues. The decline happened well before the arrival of the Mongols the infamous incoherence of the philosophers debate.

    This is because unfortunately Islam destroys civilization at a fundamental level through imposition of cousin marraiges especially at the elite level and a broadly anti intellectual culture where ‘innovation’ and departure from doctrine is considered a sin against God which makes recovery impossible after a few centuries of the majority of the population converting to Islam.

    The evidence is unmistakable Armenia/Georgia vs Chechnya/Dagestan,Serbia vs Albania, India vs P akistan the per capita difference in intellectual output between otherwise genetically similar people is shocking.

    This is also further corroborated from regions continuously productive for millenia before the conversion of most of the population being rendered inert after a few centuries of Islam Egypt,Iraq,Levant,Afghanistan etc.

    The Chinese are very lucky never to have experienced this plague in their core territories.There is nothing quite like this as the Western Europeans will soon find out.

  465. antibeast says:
    @Vishnugupta

    [MORE]

    This is also further corroborated from regions continuously productive for millennia before the conversion of most of the population being rendered inert after a few centuries of Islam Egypt, Iraq, Levant, Afghanistan, etc.

    Your thesis does not seem to apply to the Persians as they contributed the most to the intellectual and scientific achievements of the Islamic Golden Age until the founding of the Safavid Empire. To this day, Iran is the intellectual and scientific leader of the Islamic World, possessing the human capital unmatched by other Muslim countries.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  466. @antibeast

    Persians were the greatest under Zoroastrianism where they had technology like Electroplating(Parthian battery),Quanat waterworks etc.

    [MORE]

    Under Islam they were/are the most reluctant of all conquered people to submit to Islam their national epic Shahnameh written centuries after their Islamic conquest is basically a collection of feats of pre Islamic Persia and immortalized the Muslim conquest as a national tragedy. They also never let the arabs replace persian with arabic.

    Today despite 40+ years of Islamic revolution their regular mosque going population is around 2% and an average middle class persian is aware and proud of his pre Islamic ancestors in a way unheard of any any other Muslim country pre Islamic names like Dariyush and Xerxes remain very popular with the general population.

    The Persians remain the best because of their stratospherically high starting point and as a society never fully accepting Islam as a belief system and continuous veneration of their zoroastrian ancestors.A unique people.

    Though the Persians are still by far the best as far as Muslim countries are concerned their intellectual output relative to the rest of the world is far below their pre Islamic peak and now with Persians a demographic minority and rapidly declining relative to other groups in Iran the end is near certain.

    Islam destroys everything it touches.Those who forget this (Europeans) are condemned to repeat it.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Metropole
  467. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    I’ve only known ever one person from Estonia in my life, and he is half-Jewish (Russian-speaking Jewish) and his mother is Estonian.

    This is not a common mix, but they exist. Forgive me for asking, but how do you identify – Jewish or Russian?

    He was ok, but his personality a bit cold and not so friendly.

    Yes, it might seem that way but it doesn’t mean there are no feelings. They’re just not explicitly shown.

    Arvo Pärt is very cool though.

    It’s amazing music. You’re always welcome to visit. I’m also thinking of going back to my childhood island of Hiiumaa when I go back. You can be alone there, just looking at the horizon. Relaxing on the cold, white sand.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  468. Weaver says:
    @Dmitry

    Aristotle would agree with you, but I suspect 80 is too few. We come together into states for the specialization, economy of scale, and security from external threats. Also, it’s inevitable as population densities grow.

    Some balance would be ideal, with trade offs in either direction.

    I don’t think every couple feels self conscious. When living in an apartment, some couples are… quite open about intimacy. Others I’m sure are less so. We’re probably seeing adaptation to life within mass societies. If it were legal, we’d see more copulation even in public spaces. A small number of people do not care, especially with birth control, std treatment, and abortion.

    I do not welcome such adaptation. However, some adaptation is good. Small tribes would fight. There are positives and negatives in either direction. Turkey is upriver from Iraq, dams the water.

  469. Weaver says:
    @Vishnugupta

    You believe Hinduism is invigorating? India doesn’t seem to like Christians, not that I’m saying that as an attack. Muslims might counter Jewish power in Europe. Provided the Muslims later depart, Europe might survive.

    • Replies: @Metropole
  470. Weaver says:
    @antibeast

    China has a number of border disputes. The US prevents a balance of power from arising in reaction. The US ironically empowers China, partly by bullying China as a sort of stoking of a fire.

    The best way to contain China would be for the US to completely exit the region entirely and to remain out for good. Then, Asia would develop its own power balance without reliance on the US for defense. The US should still trade normally and equally with all in Asia. The best action sometimes is inaction, and such is not liberalism but prudence.

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  471. Metropole says:
    @Vishnugupta

    You’re looking at Islam from the perspective of the fanatically Islamophobic Hindu philosophy as practiced in India. A country led by a Hindu terrorist, Modi, who was at one time banned from the US for the killing of thousands of Muslims.

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    If you’re so sure of the gibberish you keep posting why don’t you write an article on it and get Ron Unz to post it. Then we can debate it endlessly. Here you’re just spamming a thread related to Russia.

    In your article you can tell us about the flying saucers you Hindus used to fly five thousand years ago.

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  472. Metropole says:
    @Weaver

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    Muslims might counter Jewish power in Europe.

    Believe me, you guys owe Muslims thanks for keeping the Hindus pinned down in India. Allowed to spread out you would have had huge statues of penises in Europe.

    Behold Hindu penis worship. Warning: Disturbing and sexually explicit images.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=hindu+penis+worship&rlz=1CDGOYI_enCA952CA952&hl=en-US&prmd=ivnx&sxsrf=AOaemvKAyaTypdFVIqR0lIli-Nops1Q31g:1633246326986&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjMwJnZ3K3zAhWhSTABHaF5Dc8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=414&bih=720&dpr=2

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  473. Metropole says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What happened to the moderation that was promised in the first post? Why are Indians being allowed to run amok?

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    This is an “effortpost”, so moderation standards will be more stringent than usual. You can find the posts that The Unz Review has seen fit to feature on the front page here.

    Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

  474. @Metropole

    Ah yes the Pakistani who thinks he is extremely wise but can’t seem to win any debate or convince anyone. His brainwave on this Russia related post is that it would be a great idea for Russia to convert to Islam.

    I have been active on this blog for many years and will post whatever I like when I like it.

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    If the owner of this blog (who btw has flagged you as a Troll in this very post) has any objection to my posts I will cease commenting on this blog that very instant.

    It is you who are intruding here.

    Now F off.

  475. Some here could be interested in this ref the murder of tsar Nikolai/Nicholas II Romanov, his wife/family, doctor and other faithful retainers at the “House of Special Purpose” (Epatiev) in Ekaterinburg on 17 July 1918. R.I.P.

    On 30th September, the first volume of the book Преступление века. Материалы следствия [Crime of the Century. Investigation Materials], about the investigation into the murder of Emperor Nicholas II and his family was published [in Russian] on the website of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation … [snip] … According to the Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation A.I. Bastrykin: “modern 21st century science and expert research