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The other day, Russian libertarians launched a #RussianLivesMatter action today in response to a police shooting. (The history behind this remains murky).

But there were misunderstandings with Ameriburgers for “appropriating” the BLM hashtag, which were supported by Russian SJWs.

So, Russian libertarians vs. US #BLM + Russian SJWdom.

But also involved in the conflict were Russian nationalists, who had come up with the #RussianLivesMatter hashtag a while ago to highlight abuses and human rights violations against ethnic Russians. Mikhail Svetov, the euphephile (of course) lolcow leader of Russia’s libertarians, has long attempted to outreach to Russian nationalists in an attempt to steal their discourse and audience. Hence the appropriation of their hashtag, which they in turn had originally appropriated from #BLM.

Now obviously most nationalists are not on board with the libertarian agenda, and didn’t appreciate Svetov’s intervention into their discourse, so this became Russian libertarians vs. US #BLM + Russian SJWdom vs. Russian nationalists.

Finally, Russia’s ageing NPC libs at the likes of Echo of Moscow and Novaya Gazeta noticed the kerfuffle, and while supporting #RussianLivesMatter, rushed to disavow “Svetov’s nationalist” rhetoric, with Novaya Gazeta in particular clarifying that Russian stands for citizens of Russia, not ethnic Russians.

So now it was Russian libertarians vs. US #BLM + Russian SJWdom vs. Russian nationalists vs. Russian libs.

Which if nothing else opened up unparalleled avenues for trolling.

I am happy to announce I managed to intimidate one of the SJWs, a “Bashkirian non-binary lesbian” (pronouns: they/them) into submission, speechlessness, and account deletion.

Pro tip – conceal power level until it’s time to pounce!

This revelation of pure power was, apparently, enough to drive her from the Internet.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. Russians are literally oppressors and imperialists??? excuse me ?????

    The homosexual has an excellent mastery of reddit dialect for a non-native speaker

    • Replies: @Gman987123
    @Kent Nationalist

    Don’t make a rookie mistake of confusing the government with regular people...

  3. when you wanna be edgy how about German lives matter?

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Fuerchtegott

    #GermanLivesMatter http://stonetoss.com/comic/crematoria/

  4. Those Russian libertarians clearly did not get the memo that the only lives that are allowed to matter are black.

  5. Concealing the power level until the grand reveal is a commendable tactic.

    Meeklings, you see, invest emotionally into discussions on the internet. They, being meek, assume that everyone they talk to is also emotionally invested. So even if they despise you, they assume you’re arguing on an even playing field where actually caring is the defining factor.

    When you drop it on a meekling that you’ve been stringing them along for amusement alone, they are liable to break.

  6. One of my favourite 404 pages was done in Haiku:

    You step in a the stream
    But the water has moved on.
    This page is not here.

    BTW, how did you ‘intimate’ her away? 😉

    IKR, damned typos!

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @The Alarmist


    You step in a the stream
    But the water has moved on.
    This page is not here.
     
    Bits flow through the wires
    As seasons pass and change
    Websites age and fade...
  7. I would like to see people everywhere turn BLM graffiti into RLM graffiti, by making a little line on the bottom of the B.

  8. Nice troll, AK. Making the internet better one less “Bashkirian non-binary lesbian” at a time.

    Isn’t being a non-binary lesbian just the same as bi-sexual, or am I just hopelessly conventional & out-dated?

    It strikes me as just the gender variety of “ladies” vanity-spelling their names i.e. Michelle as M’ye’shehll.

    “Bi-sexual” is so conventional nowadays – why not be a “non-binary lesbian” instead?

  9. @Fuerchtegott
    when you wanna be edgy how about German lives matter?

    Replies: @Not Raul

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
  10. @The Alarmist
    One of my favourite 404 pages was done in Haiku:

    You step in a the stream
    But the water has moved on.
    This page is not here.


    BTW, how did you 'intimate' her away? ;)

    IKR, damned typos!

    Replies: @Ano4

    You step in a the stream
    But the water has moved on.
    This page is not here.

    Bits flow through the wires
    As seasons pass and change
    Websites age and fade…

  11. we had some idiots participate in the blackout thing on social media

    it only resulted in people going full blown white nationalist here, not because they care what is happening in America (they wish maximum damage on all participants of all sides), but to piss off the domestic mondialists, and point out their hypocrisy (natistoid antiserb ex-yugo stateletoids pretty much demanding genocide, mass discrimination against serbs etc etc is fine, but some black guy is killed and suddenly boo hoo), even started a #serbianlivesmatter or #serblivesmatter hashtag

    Idiots. This sort of shit is basically “how to turn people to ethnonationalism 101”, but we call them libtards for a reason I guess

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
    @Svevlad


    they wish maximum damage on all participants of all sides
     
    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zemfort1983/32334102/1143445/1143445_original.jpg

    1%: on the side of protesters
    19%: on the side of Trump (leftists and minorities got out of hand)
    20%: protests are quite legitimate, but looting is unnecessary
    42%: more hell! Let them destroy their "city on the hill"
    18%: don't care at all
  12. Blacks are the most evil and savage race, they will eat you alive if you let your guard down. They occasionally die in circumstances like in Minneapolis because the only safe way for a policeman to deal with them is to come down on them like a ton of bricks, or it would be the officer dead.

  13. mal says:

    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back

    Wife: I’m a Hispanic female, and therefore I’m oppressed.

    Me: Your family is from Spain. You have relatives in Spain. Your family owned a store in Cuba in the 1950’s as well as property in NYC and Miami. Wouldn’t that make you the imperialist that oppressed people have been complaining about?

    Wife: No.

    Me: Well ok, I’m from Leningrad, my people had to eat rat during the siege in the 40’s. Also, growing up in the 90’s, it was pretty much rat diet all over again situation. Does that count for the oppressed label?

    Wife: Nope, you are white.

    Me: Ok then, woo-hoo white power!

    Wife: Please don’t say this in public.

    You just can’t win here.

    I guess I’m OK with being an oppressed Hispanic family if it leads to getting free stuff, but it does seem unfair as far as Russia side of the story is concerned.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @mal

    Can't beat them, join them.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1267818175619448834

    Replies: @Belarusian Dude, @R.C

    , @Dmitry
    @mal

    Yes it's funny Spanish/Portuguese nationalities are allowed benefits of Person of Colour membership when they are in the USA, even though members of those nationalities colonized the Southern and Central half of the American continent, and even had a comparable slave industry in countries like Brazil or Cuba.

    But membership of clubs, usually has such arbitrary clauses in what to accept and exclude - and Person of Colour is a particularly absurd even in its name. And then with the emphasis on the word "colour", someone can enter in the back window - Elizabeth Warren, who was accepted to Harvard University because she is a "Native American Indian" woman.

    Replies: @mal, @Philip Owen

    , @another anon
    @mal


    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back
     
    So you are unable to "redpill" and convert to alt-right truth even your own family.
    Tell us again why you think that your movement have any chance at all.

    Replies: @mal

    , @Pericles
    @mal

    Socratic questioning rarely works in practice, and note that here she ends up being the final arbiter and can just dismiss your argument (even though you're right).

    More effective if you just tell her what she should think. Express yourself with a rant instead, preferrably you and her against the world.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @mal


    Wife: I’m a Hispanic female, and therefore I’m oppressed.
     
    "Sorry you feel oppressed."

    End of conversation.

    Or, if you need to extend it:

    "Sorry you feel oppressed. I now feel (insert whatever you really feel here, perhaps angry, hurt and excluded*)."

    She'll ask why, inviting you to speak directly and truly to her, which you should probably do.

    *Ensure you make those feelings yours and not a way of invalidating what she has said.

    If you say anything similar to: it makes you feel less respect for her, which she already knows you clearly do, then she's hardly likely to listen! As I am sure you already know she didn't.

    Replies: @mal

    , @neutral
    @mal

    Time you got a new wife.

    Replies: @mal

  14. I’m starting to find these RACE riots being constantly blamed on Russia, ChiComs, Marxists, etc, incredibly irritating. Blacks hate whitey and want to rob him and beat his brains out.

    Blacks want to destroy whitey and they don’t need any Russians or ChiComs or even Jews to tell them to do it either.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    I thought the protest, was mainly a cover to distract the police, while you run into the shop, and take some new sneakers for free (while your anti-coronavirus mask hides your identity).

    Well, in one when they idealistically burned Mercedes at least, instead of stealing them - but that was probably only because they couldn't find the key.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyiPefY9GBQ

  15. @mal
    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back

    Wife: I'm a Hispanic female, and therefore I'm oppressed.

    Me: Your family is from Spain. You have relatives in Spain. Your family owned a store in Cuba in the 1950's as well as property in NYC and Miami. Wouldn't that make you the imperialist that oppressed people have been complaining about?

    Wife: No.

    Me: Well ok, I'm from Leningrad, my people had to eat rat during the siege in the 40's. Also, growing up in the 90's, it was pretty much rat diet all over again situation. Does that count for the oppressed label?

    Wife: Nope, you are white.

    Me: Ok then, woo-hoo white power!

    Wife: Please don't say this in public.

    You just can't win here.

    I guess I'm OK with being an oppressed Hispanic family if it leads to getting free stuff, but it does seem unfair as far as Russia side of the story is concerned.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry, @another anon, @Pericles, @Not Only Wrathful, @neutral

    Can’t beat them, join them.

    • Agree: mal
    • LOL: RadicalCenter, Ano4
    • Replies: @Belarusian Dude
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You missed some really good chances to use the whole cold war era Slavs aren't white stuff my friend

    , @R.C
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You have turned their arguments back to them very well. But i don't see it being widely accepted in the US. As the modern American system is fairly Bio-Leninist, which means only the weak and the fringe elements of the society are to be elevated morally and politically. Russians, like Asians, are just too strong and capable a people to be considered as acceptable for the current global homo power structure.

    However, we can always learn from the best--the 2000 years of wisdom and diaspora survival strategies from the land of Levant.

    Let's build American-Slavic, American-Asian, American-Germanic Public Affairs Committee and condemn the actions of those evil American Imperialists and their colonial crimes around the world. Think about the bombing of Dresden, the stealing of Russia in the 90s, and the Korean and Vietnam massacre and atomic genocide in Asia. How barbaric are their actions and their unimaginable atrocities against humanity. Only a monster could do such things. Never again! Hand us the gibs and lets us build camps and settlements on the land inhabited by the third world populace. And make sure to write that into your textbook and Hollywood movies about them over and over again. Only that could those Chauvinist Supremacists Americans remember. We would also support the justice for our Celtic, Mediterranean and Anglo monarchist brothas who were harmed and discriminated against by the evil American colonists and imperialists! We wuz kangzzz. Let them oppress us no more, our colorful diverse coalition will win. Kebabs, Fried Chicken and Tacos are so 2000s, we should enrich America with more fish and chips, Currywurst, fried rice and Borscht. This is the only way that serves the ultimate justice. It is 2020, those debts are long overdue. And let's start repaying the debts by having a US commander in chief whose ancestors fled the bombing of Dresden.

  16. Joke aside. Surely, Anatoly if you are going to America again, you can try to apply for benefits as a person of colour? What would you write in the university application affirmative action section?

    Well, who can qualify as person of colour will be the next American frontier and goldrush, and probably there is still a chance for borderline cases, although they might have to fight against competitors.

    E.g. woman with Uzbek names is attacking an half-Armenian Kardashian family for being “actually white” and “blackfishing”. https://thetab.com/2019/11/05/a-reminder-of-what-the-kardashian-jenners-looked-like-a-long-long-time-ago-130023

    For most Russian (slavic) origin people in America, it’s probably difficult not to fall into the useless zone between WASP and Persons of Colour. On one hand, light hair makes it difficult to join the Person of Colour; on the other hand, an imperfect accent will probably mean failure in application for membership in Skull and Bones, or Boston Brahmins.

    I assume for an AnonTN or AP, there is not the privilege of being WASP, and neither affirmative action advantages available to persons of colour – unless they say they are native Indians (which Elizabeth Warren shows you can, even with anglosaxon name, blue eyes and blonde hair).

    by Russian SJWs.

    Fashionable youth – who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary “white man’s burden” of apologizing for America’s slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries.”

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Dmitry

    Karlin would probably try to write the entire application in memes, assuming he doesn't insist on expressing himself solely through interpretive cooking.

    Words are tools of white oppression.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @Dmitry


    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries.”
     
    People stay in abusive relationships for much the same reason. There's a perverse empowerment in being held responsible for stuff you didn't do.

    Jesus on the cross etc.
    , @Anonymous (n)
    @Dmitry


    Fashionable youth – who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary “white man’s burden” of apologizing for America’s slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries.”
     
    Only defective subhumans can find anything intoxicating or satisfying in groveling and humiliation. It is unnatural and revolting. That is partly why despite all the evidence of external subversion, I ultimately blame the whites themselves for the plight they find themselves in. Blame the Jews all you want, but even if you place all the agency into their hands, they are merely leading the whites to water, it is the whites who are deciding to drink.

    There is something defective about the white race that makes being cucked so palatable to them. A healthy mind would not be able to stomach the taste of piss and shit no matter how cleverly and relentlessly such "delicacies" were pushed by the mass media. The same thing applies to racial self hatred and prostration. Only a substrate that was already inherently deviant would constitute such fertile ground for the propaganda to grow and fester. For some reason being a cuck resonates with the white mind, and for that only the whites themselves are to blame and will suffer the consequences.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Rich, @Dmitry

    , @AaronB
    @Dmitry


    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries
     
    .”

    Fantastic insight, which sheds more real light on the true motivations of elite white SJW behavior than the reams of nonsense written about "self hate" and "brainwashing".

    Elite white SJW attitudes is the final act of European conquest - we conquered you, we conquered material, now we shall conquer ourselves. We shall conquer our normal human self-love. We are so superior, we can positively flourish while dispensing with self-interest.

    It is the Final Frontier.

    Its closely related to the psychology of asceticism. For thousands of years monks engaged in masochistic asceticism, and Indian ascetics believed you would obtain "tapas" - or super human powers to levitate, withstand cold, etc.

    Monkish asceticism was a form of self-overcoming, a form of striving for superiority. These ascetics were the first to understand that extreme masochistic "humility" is actually the most ego-building thing you can do - the final frontier in ego. The warrior or the merchant are amateurs in comparison.

    SJWs are the descendents of the ascetic monks in terms of masochistic "humility". The one naturally bled into the other. Europe has a 2,000 year old tradition that is now in its last stages in the form of SJWs.

    The best kinds of religion - true religion - understand that humility is not trying to conquer your ego, but accepting you are imperfect.
    , @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    A recently discovered relative, an officer in the East India Company army, did for Tipu Sultan (a French agent in India), Penang Malaysia and Canton, China. In the latter two he set up the first EIC strongpoints/forts. So I have a slightly different problem.

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

  17. @mal
    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back

    Wife: I'm a Hispanic female, and therefore I'm oppressed.

    Me: Your family is from Spain. You have relatives in Spain. Your family owned a store in Cuba in the 1950's as well as property in NYC and Miami. Wouldn't that make you the imperialist that oppressed people have been complaining about?

    Wife: No.

    Me: Well ok, I'm from Leningrad, my people had to eat rat during the siege in the 40's. Also, growing up in the 90's, it was pretty much rat diet all over again situation. Does that count for the oppressed label?

    Wife: Nope, you are white.

    Me: Ok then, woo-hoo white power!

    Wife: Please don't say this in public.

    You just can't win here.

    I guess I'm OK with being an oppressed Hispanic family if it leads to getting free stuff, but it does seem unfair as far as Russia side of the story is concerned.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry, @another anon, @Pericles, @Not Only Wrathful, @neutral

    Yes it’s funny Spanish/Portuguese nationalities are allowed benefits of Person of Colour membership when they are in the USA, even though members of those nationalities colonized the Southern and Central half of the American continent, and even had a comparable slave industry in countries like Brazil or Cuba.

    But membership of clubs, usually has such arbitrary clauses in what to accept and exclude – and Person of Colour is a particularly absurd even in its name. And then with the emphasis on the word “colour”, someone can enter in the back window – Elizabeth Warren, who was accepted to Harvard University because she is a “Native American Indian” woman.

    • Replies: @mal
    @Dmitry

    Yep, as long as you can avoid "white Hispanic" label (don't talk about Spanish relatives), and emphasize your heritage in the colonies, you are golden. It also helps to speak the language - wife speaks some mean Miami Cuban, that's "authenticity" in SJW circles.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    The Latin American slave industry consumed an order of magnitude more African lives than the Anglo-Saxon one and then some on top.

  18. @Europe Europa
    I'm starting to find these RACE riots being constantly blamed on Russia, ChiComs, Marxists, etc, incredibly irritating. Blacks hate whitey and want to rob him and beat his brains out.

    Blacks want to destroy whitey and they don't need any Russians or ChiComs or even Jews to tell them to do it either.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I thought the protest, was mainly a cover to distract the police, while you run into the shop, and take some new sneakers for free (while your anti-coronavirus mask hides your identity).

    Well, in one when they idealistically burned Mercedes at least, instead of stealing them – but that was probably only because they couldn’t find the key.

  19. Given that Russians suffered multiple catastrophes (the Jewish/Bolshevik takeover, WW2, etc) to the tune of tens of millions of dead, we don’t hear much about them at all. It’s the Holocaust (Trademark) all the time. Sickening.

    I’ve idly wondered what Russia’s population would be but for WW1, the Bolshevik massacres, and WW2. The country is eerily depopulated in parts, and I fear it is by design.

    • Replies: @another anon
    @jbwilson24


    Given that Russians suffered multiple catastrophes (the Jewish/Bolshevik takeover, WW2, etc) to the tune of tens of millions of dead, we don’t hear much about them at all. It’s the Holocaust (Trademark) all the time. Sickening.

     

    History is full of genocides no one cares about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll

    Have you heard about, for example, 1971 Bangladeshi genocide? Probably not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide#U.S._complicity
    , @Ano4
    @jbwilson24


    I’ve idly wondered what Russia’s population would be but for WW1, the Bolshevik massacres, and WW2
     
    .

    Mendeleev was tasked with evaluating the Russian Empire demographic trends.

    He evaluated that by mid XXth century the Empire population would have reached around 400 million people.

    Eastern Slavs were the main component of the Empire population.

    So probably the Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian population would be twice as important today if not for the catastrophic events of the XX century.

    Slavs are still the largest ethnic group in Europe, but their demographics are depressing.

    If Russian Empire remained, the Slavs would dominate Eurasia today.
  20. The other day, Russian libertarians launched a #RussianLivesMatter action today in response to a police shooting.

    Why is campaign against Russian police shooting of Russians in Russia in English?
    Do they imagine that anyone in the world cares about Russian lives?
    Do they want Donald Trump or Barack Obama retweet the tag and demand strong action against bloodthirsty Putinist murderers?

    This is just like color revolution 101, where spontanaous protestors always show up with professionally designed signs in English.

    The SJW’s are 100% right to call it fake, because it is.

    Pro tip – conceal power level until it’s time to pounce!

    LOL. Bashkirian non-binary lesbian is still here. Keep “pouncing”.

    https://twitter.com/witchkoven/with_replies

    Instead of wasting your time on twitter (where 90% of participants are bots) and boasting about such hollow “victory”, spread the word that Russians were prime targets of European slavery and genocide at least since 1240.
    If you think that everything was hunky dory until 1917 you are mistaken.

    https://medium.com/the-history-buff/slavery-in-medieval-italy-cb189ae45933

    In the late 1360s, Francesco Petrarch was living in Venice where he could see the unloading of cargo from Venetian merchant galleys and commented (with unfortunate racism):

    ‘Whereas huge shipments of grain used to arrive by ship annually in this city, now they arrive laden with slaves, sold by their wretched families to alleviate their hunger. An unusually large and countless crowd of slaves of both sexes has afflicted this city with deformed Scythian faces, just like when a muddy current destroys the brilliance of a clear one.’

    Italian “renaissance” was built by Russian slave labor.

    Demand APOLOGY and REPARATIONS.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @another anon

    Perhaps Venice should be given to Russia as reparations.

  21. @Dmitry
    Joke aside. Surely, Anatoly if you are going to America again, you can try to apply for benefits as a person of colour? What would you write in the university application affirmative action section?

    -

    Well, who can qualify as person of colour will be the next American frontier and goldrush, and probably there is still a chance for borderline cases, although they might have to fight against competitors.

    E.g. woman with Uzbek names is attacking an half-Armenian Kardashian family for being "actually white" and "blackfishing". https://thetab.com/2019/11/05/a-reminder-of-what-the-kardashian-jenners-looked-like-a-long-long-time-ago-130023

    -

    For most Russian (slavic) origin people in America, it's probably difficult not to fall into the useless zone between WASP and Persons of Colour. On one hand, light hair makes it difficult to join the Person of Colour; on the other hand, an imperfect accent will probably mean failure in application for membership in Skull and Bones, or Boston Brahmins.

    I assume for an AnonTN or AP, there is not the privilege of being WASP, and neither affirmative action advantages available to persons of colour - unless they say they are native Indians (which Elizabeth Warren shows you can, even with anglosaxon name, blue eyes and blonde hair).


    by Russian SJWs.
     
    Fashionable youth - who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary "white man's burden" of apologizing for America's slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize - which implied that you accept responsibility - for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: "I apologize for ruling India for centuries."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Not Only Wrathful, @Anonymous (n), @AaronB, @Philip Owen

    Karlin would probably try to write the entire application in memes, assuming he doesn’t insist on expressing himself solely through interpretive cooking.

    Words are tools of white oppression.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Daniel Chieh


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSHsf9ae9QNj86JAZ1r3OUoY0lSJiWXoj9ycETzWVWc8L0O5UX_&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRYHx1xI2dUWaMQIZ8Kiy-8NQTsYJAnJn5ueSePSmEI5aiR1sSX&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Sergey_Sobyanin_official_portrait.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSLEYCIfekYwodVIl_9iqBCEaitThYsWSX_0_GCUDY-KzwF5kVr&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @melanf

  22. @jbwilson24
    Given that Russians suffered multiple catastrophes (the Jewish/Bolshevik takeover, WW2, etc) to the tune of tens of millions of dead, we don't hear much about them at all. It's the Holocaust (Trademark) all the time. Sickening.

    I've idly wondered what Russia's population would be but for WW1, the Bolshevik massacres, and WW2. The country is eerily depopulated in parts, and I fear it is by design.

    Replies: @another anon, @Ano4

    Given that Russians suffered multiple catastrophes (the Jewish/Bolshevik takeover, WW2, etc) to the tune of tens of millions of dead, we don’t hear much about them at all. It’s the Holocaust (Trademark) all the time. Sickening.

    History is full of genocides no one cares about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll

    Have you heard about, for example, 1971 Bangladeshi genocide? Probably not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide#U.S._complicity

  23. @mal
    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back

    Wife: I'm a Hispanic female, and therefore I'm oppressed.

    Me: Your family is from Spain. You have relatives in Spain. Your family owned a store in Cuba in the 1950's as well as property in NYC and Miami. Wouldn't that make you the imperialist that oppressed people have been complaining about?

    Wife: No.

    Me: Well ok, I'm from Leningrad, my people had to eat rat during the siege in the 40's. Also, growing up in the 90's, it was pretty much rat diet all over again situation. Does that count for the oppressed label?

    Wife: Nope, you are white.

    Me: Ok then, woo-hoo white power!

    Wife: Please don't say this in public.

    You just can't win here.

    I guess I'm OK with being an oppressed Hispanic family if it leads to getting free stuff, but it does seem unfair as far as Russia side of the story is concerned.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry, @another anon, @Pericles, @Not Only Wrathful, @neutral

    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back

    So you are unable to “redpill” and convert to alt-right truth even your own family.
    Tell us again why you think that your movement have any chance at all.

    • Replies: @mal
    @another anon

    lol I think you have me confused with someone else. I have no movement, and certainly not alt-right. I just happen to be Russian.

    No need to red pill the family - feminism is great fun. I always tell the wife she is a strong independent woman who needs no man whenever she wants me to do something and it's a major hassle. When she hears it from the feminists in the media, you can literally see the rage boiling over, highly amusing and effective.

    Replies: @Pumblechook

  24. @Dmitry
    @mal

    Yes it's funny Spanish/Portuguese nationalities are allowed benefits of Person of Colour membership when they are in the USA, even though members of those nationalities colonized the Southern and Central half of the American continent, and even had a comparable slave industry in countries like Brazil or Cuba.

    But membership of clubs, usually has such arbitrary clauses in what to accept and exclude - and Person of Colour is a particularly absurd even in its name. And then with the emphasis on the word "colour", someone can enter in the back window - Elizabeth Warren, who was accepted to Harvard University because she is a "Native American Indian" woman.

    Replies: @mal, @Philip Owen

    Yep, as long as you can avoid “white Hispanic” label (don’t talk about Spanish relatives), and emphasize your heritage in the colonies, you are golden. It also helps to speak the language – wife speaks some mean Miami Cuban, that’s “authenticity” in SJW circles.

  25. mal says:
    @another anon
    @mal


    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back
     
    So you are unable to "redpill" and convert to alt-right truth even your own family.
    Tell us again why you think that your movement have any chance at all.

    Replies: @mal

    lol I think you have me confused with someone else. I have no movement, and certainly not alt-right. I just happen to be Russian.

    No need to red pill the family – feminism is great fun. I always tell the wife she is a strong independent woman who needs no man whenever she wants me to do something and it’s a major hassle. When she hears it from the feminists in the media, you can literally see the rage boiling over, highly amusing and effective.

    • Replies: @Pumblechook
    @mal

    Haha you tell 'em brother. Whenever it comes up, I tell my wife that I fully expect her to hold down a job/put bread on the table and that I am absolutely horrified by that grotesque blip in Western history between 1800-1960 when societies amassed enough wealth/equitably shared resources for women to be able to stay at home. Never again! They shall work for ever and to the bone.

  26. @Dmitry
    Joke aside. Surely, Anatoly if you are going to America again, you can try to apply for benefits as a person of colour? What would you write in the university application affirmative action section?

    -

    Well, who can qualify as person of colour will be the next American frontier and goldrush, and probably there is still a chance for borderline cases, although they might have to fight against competitors.

    E.g. woman with Uzbek names is attacking an half-Armenian Kardashian family for being "actually white" and "blackfishing". https://thetab.com/2019/11/05/a-reminder-of-what-the-kardashian-jenners-looked-like-a-long-long-time-ago-130023

    -

    For most Russian (slavic) origin people in America, it's probably difficult not to fall into the useless zone between WASP and Persons of Colour. On one hand, light hair makes it difficult to join the Person of Colour; on the other hand, an imperfect accent will probably mean failure in application for membership in Skull and Bones, or Boston Brahmins.

    I assume for an AnonTN or AP, there is not the privilege of being WASP, and neither affirmative action advantages available to persons of colour - unless they say they are native Indians (which Elizabeth Warren shows you can, even with anglosaxon name, blue eyes and blonde hair).


    by Russian SJWs.
     
    Fashionable youth - who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary "white man's burden" of apologizing for America's slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize - which implied that you accept responsibility - for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: "I apologize for ruling India for centuries."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Not Only Wrathful, @Anonymous (n), @AaronB, @Philip Owen

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries.”

    People stay in abusive relationships for much the same reason. There’s a perverse empowerment in being held responsible for stuff you didn’t do.

    Jesus on the cross etc.

  27. @Anatoly Karlin
    @mal

    Can't beat them, join them.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1267818175619448834

    Replies: @Belarusian Dude, @R.C

    You missed some really good chances to use the whole cold war era Slavs aren’t white stuff my friend

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  28. @Dmitry
    Joke aside. Surely, Anatoly if you are going to America again, you can try to apply for benefits as a person of colour? What would you write in the university application affirmative action section?

    -

    Well, who can qualify as person of colour will be the next American frontier and goldrush, and probably there is still a chance for borderline cases, although they might have to fight against competitors.

    E.g. woman with Uzbek names is attacking an half-Armenian Kardashian family for being "actually white" and "blackfishing". https://thetab.com/2019/11/05/a-reminder-of-what-the-kardashian-jenners-looked-like-a-long-long-time-ago-130023

    -

    For most Russian (slavic) origin people in America, it's probably difficult not to fall into the useless zone between WASP and Persons of Colour. On one hand, light hair makes it difficult to join the Person of Colour; on the other hand, an imperfect accent will probably mean failure in application for membership in Skull and Bones, or Boston Brahmins.

    I assume for an AnonTN or AP, there is not the privilege of being WASP, and neither affirmative action advantages available to persons of colour - unless they say they are native Indians (which Elizabeth Warren shows you can, even with anglosaxon name, blue eyes and blonde hair).


    by Russian SJWs.
     
    Fashionable youth - who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary "white man's burden" of apologizing for America's slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize - which implied that you accept responsibility - for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: "I apologize for ruling India for centuries."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Not Only Wrathful, @Anonymous (n), @AaronB, @Philip Owen

    Fashionable youth – who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary “white man’s burden” of apologizing for America’s slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries.”

    Only defective subhumans can find anything intoxicating or satisfying in groveling and humiliation. It is unnatural and revolting. That is partly why despite all the evidence of external subversion, I ultimately blame the whites themselves for the plight they find themselves in. Blame the Jews all you want, but even if you place all the agency into their hands, they are merely leading the whites to water, it is the whites who are deciding to drink.

    There is something defective about the white race that makes being cucked so palatable to them. A healthy mind would not be able to stomach the taste of piss and shit no matter how cleverly and relentlessly such “delicacies” were pushed by the mass media. The same thing applies to racial self hatred and prostration. Only a substrate that was already inherently deviant would constitute such fertile ground for the propaganda to grow and fester. For some reason being a cuck resonates with the white mind, and for that only the whites themselves are to blame and will suffer the consequences.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Anonymous (n)


    Only defective subhumans can find anything intoxicating or satisfying in groveling and humiliation
     
    It depends.

    What if your group has mastered and conquered literally everything else there is to master? What if you left every other human group behind you in the dust they look like ants?

    What is left to conquer? What is left to do? What new force is there for you to oppose and master? Human nature. Your self.

    I agree with you it's unhealthy. But only groups at the top have any need for it.

    But it goes to show that trying to be too extreme in anything is unhealthy. If conquest is your supreme goal to the exclusion of all else, after mastering the external world it will eventually turn to the internal world, and may not be healthy.

    Replies: @mal

    , @Rich
    @Anonymous (n)

    A tiny percentage of Whites are apologizing. They are "soft-Whites" for the most part. Grew up in upper middle class neighborhoods, never met a negro but have been brainwashed by their synagogues,churches and schools to believe in the new American religion. Real Whites just want to be left alone and are well aware of black criminality. Here in NY, soft-Whites use the code "good schools" when in their hearts they know it's White schools and neighborhoods they want. I can't see this new American religion lasting, but I would've bet against that small sect from Palestine, too, so what do I know?

    , @Dmitry
    @Anonymous (n)

    To apologize, also implies that you are responsible, which implies your power and influence over the situation.

    "It's my fault this woman crashed the car - I apologize for being so handsome and charming it must have distracted her when she drives past. Please ignore her drunkenness and that she paid bribe to buy for the driving pass. It must be me who is responsible for such things."

    -

    It's possible my ancestors were mostly poor peasants. But I just have to go to America, and from irrelevant physical facts (vulnerability to sun burn and blue eyes), can mean I will be associated with the club of people - responsible for slavery?

    Well, here it's something a bit like an elevation. Now I'm in the same group as Thomas Jefferson, and Boston Brahmins,

    -

    It's intoxicating to write apologies for such vast crimes, that can rival the gods. "I'm sorry for the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima, and crushing the armies of Moctezuma".

    At the same time, it adds an additional boast, as it shows a sense of "saintly wisdom " in the present acknowledgement of the evil of universally condemned actions.

    Note that people don't actually apologize nuclear destruction of Hiroshima, as there is still a controversy that Americans do not accept their crime here. So if you distract from creating the saintly quality in yourself, if you apologized for something that was still a living controversy.

  29. Why are all of the white people in the marches this week, especially the ones carrying signs reading “Black Lives Matter,” not being accused of “cultural appropriation”?

  30. @mal
    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back

    Wife: I'm a Hispanic female, and therefore I'm oppressed.

    Me: Your family is from Spain. You have relatives in Spain. Your family owned a store in Cuba in the 1950's as well as property in NYC and Miami. Wouldn't that make you the imperialist that oppressed people have been complaining about?

    Wife: No.

    Me: Well ok, I'm from Leningrad, my people had to eat rat during the siege in the 40's. Also, growing up in the 90's, it was pretty much rat diet all over again situation. Does that count for the oppressed label?

    Wife: Nope, you are white.

    Me: Ok then, woo-hoo white power!

    Wife: Please don't say this in public.

    You just can't win here.

    I guess I'm OK with being an oppressed Hispanic family if it leads to getting free stuff, but it does seem unfair as far as Russia side of the story is concerned.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry, @another anon, @Pericles, @Not Only Wrathful, @neutral

    Socratic questioning rarely works in practice, and note that here she ends up being the final arbiter and can just dismiss your argument (even though you’re right).

    More effective if you just tell her what she should think. Express yourself with a rant instead, preferrably you and her against the world.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Pericles


    More effective if you just tell her what she should think. Express yourself with a rant instead, preferrably you and her against the world
     
    If I look back to when I have acted like that I realise that I was always left feeling a bit sad and alienated after.

    Replies: @Pericles

  31. Before scientists invent same gender procreation, I suspect ‘Russian lives matter’ to many Russians actually mean ‘semen lives matter’ so that the latter could be channeled properly to form new lives.
    I have a copy of Real and Functional Analysis written by Kolmogorov and I only found out recently he had a different orientation.

  32. Blame the Jews all you want, but even if you place all the agency into their hands, they are merely leading the whites to water, it is the whites who are deciding to drink.

    Every society has a sizeable amount of people that will be gullible enough to believe every lie told to them, the jews are fully aware of this and they take full advantage of this. That being the case it is the jews that are the problem, leading the whites to drink the poison waters is the much bigger crime here. If no jews existed anymore then we would have a fraction of the worlds problems we now have.

  33. @mal
    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back

    Wife: I'm a Hispanic female, and therefore I'm oppressed.

    Me: Your family is from Spain. You have relatives in Spain. Your family owned a store in Cuba in the 1950's as well as property in NYC and Miami. Wouldn't that make you the imperialist that oppressed people have been complaining about?

    Wife: No.

    Me: Well ok, I'm from Leningrad, my people had to eat rat during the siege in the 40's. Also, growing up in the 90's, it was pretty much rat diet all over again situation. Does that count for the oppressed label?

    Wife: Nope, you are white.

    Me: Ok then, woo-hoo white power!

    Wife: Please don't say this in public.

    You just can't win here.

    I guess I'm OK with being an oppressed Hispanic family if it leads to getting free stuff, but it does seem unfair as far as Russia side of the story is concerned.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry, @another anon, @Pericles, @Not Only Wrathful, @neutral

    Wife: I’m a Hispanic female, and therefore I’m oppressed.

    “Sorry you feel oppressed.”

    End of conversation.

    Or, if you need to extend it:

    “Sorry you feel oppressed. I now feel (insert whatever you really feel here, perhaps angry, hurt and excluded*).”

    She’ll ask why, inviting you to speak directly and truly to her, which you should probably do.

    *Ensure you make those feelings yours and not a way of invalidating what she has said.

    If you say anything similar to: it makes you feel less respect for her, which she already knows you clearly do, then she’s hardly likely to listen! As I am sure you already know she didn’t.

    • Replies: @mal
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Lol she's not clueless - she knows she doesn't really have much to complain about.

    But - it is important if you can claim some sort of qualified minority membership. We went to numerous Hispanic leadership business dinners attended by high level corporate execs, government officials, and academics - all the corporate boards clamor for that diversity nonsense. This networking can be very good for your career. Your kids can get preference in school admissions (see Liz Warren as Dmitry pointed out).

    We didn't invent this game, but we gotta play it. And as I said before, my biggest beef with that is that Russians don't qualify for an approved minority status, even though we had our share of suffering. Being white is a disqualifying feature apparently, but unlike other races, whites can't even form their own clubs to promote themselves.

    Replies: @AP

  34. @Pericles
    @mal

    Socratic questioning rarely works in practice, and note that here she ends up being the final arbiter and can just dismiss your argument (even though you're right).

    More effective if you just tell her what she should think. Express yourself with a rant instead, preferrably you and her against the world.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    More effective if you just tell her what she should think. Express yourself with a rant instead, preferrably you and her against the world

    If I look back to when I have acted like that I realise that I was always left feeling a bit sad and alienated after.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Why feel sad about expressing your honest opinion (which furthermore is correct)? You will usually need to mentor your girl a bit to get in sync ... even if she expects you to be one, she's not a mind reader.

    And if she absolutely refuses or always reignites this sort of conflict ... maybe it wasn't meant to be a long-term thing.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

  35. R.C says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @mal

    Can't beat them, join them.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1267818175619448834

    Replies: @Belarusian Dude, @R.C

    You have turned their arguments back to them very well. But i don’t see it being widely accepted in the US. As the modern American system is fairly Bio-Leninist, which means only the weak and the fringe elements of the society are to be elevated morally and politically. Russians, like Asians, are just too strong and capable a people to be considered as acceptable for the current global homo power structure.

    However, we can always learn from the best–the 2000 years of wisdom and diaspora survival strategies from the land of Levant.

    Let’s build American-Slavic, American-Asian, American-Germanic Public Affairs Committee and condemn the actions of those evil American Imperialists and their colonial crimes around the world. Think about the bombing of Dresden, the stealing of Russia in the 90s, and the Korean and Vietnam massacre and atomic genocide in Asia. How barbaric are their actions and their unimaginable atrocities against humanity. Only a monster could do such things. Never again! Hand us the gibs and lets us build camps and settlements on the land inhabited by the third world populace. And make sure to write that into your textbook and Hollywood movies about them over and over again. Only that could those Chauvinist Supremacists Americans remember. We would also support the justice for our Celtic, Mediterranean and Anglo monarchist brothas who were harmed and discriminated against by the evil American colonists and imperialists! We wuz kangzzz. Let them oppress us no more, our colorful diverse coalition will win. Kebabs, Fried Chicken and Tacos are so 2000s, we should enrich America with more fish and chips, Currywurst, fried rice and Borscht. This is the only way that serves the ultimate justice. It is 2020, those debts are long overdue. And let’s start repaying the debts by having a US commander in chief whose ancestors fled the bombing of Dresden.

  36. @mal
    Russians get raw deal with the whole SJW business. I had a discussion with the wife on this topic a while back

    Wife: I'm a Hispanic female, and therefore I'm oppressed.

    Me: Your family is from Spain. You have relatives in Spain. Your family owned a store in Cuba in the 1950's as well as property in NYC and Miami. Wouldn't that make you the imperialist that oppressed people have been complaining about?

    Wife: No.

    Me: Well ok, I'm from Leningrad, my people had to eat rat during the siege in the 40's. Also, growing up in the 90's, it was pretty much rat diet all over again situation. Does that count for the oppressed label?

    Wife: Nope, you are white.

    Me: Ok then, woo-hoo white power!

    Wife: Please don't say this in public.

    You just can't win here.

    I guess I'm OK with being an oppressed Hispanic family if it leads to getting free stuff, but it does seem unfair as far as Russia side of the story is concerned.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry, @another anon, @Pericles, @Not Only Wrathful, @neutral

    Time you got a new wife.

    • Replies: @mal
    @neutral

    Nah, we are good, thanks.

  37. mal says:
    @Not Only Wrathful
    @mal


    Wife: I’m a Hispanic female, and therefore I’m oppressed.
     
    "Sorry you feel oppressed."

    End of conversation.

    Or, if you need to extend it:

    "Sorry you feel oppressed. I now feel (insert whatever you really feel here, perhaps angry, hurt and excluded*)."

    She'll ask why, inviting you to speak directly and truly to her, which you should probably do.

    *Ensure you make those feelings yours and not a way of invalidating what she has said.

    If you say anything similar to: it makes you feel less respect for her, which she already knows you clearly do, then she's hardly likely to listen! As I am sure you already know she didn't.

    Replies: @mal

    Lol she’s not clueless – she knows she doesn’t really have much to complain about.

    But – it is important if you can claim some sort of qualified minority membership. We went to numerous Hispanic leadership business dinners attended by high level corporate execs, government officials, and academics – all the corporate boards clamor for that diversity nonsense. This networking can be very good for your career. Your kids can get preference in school admissions (see Liz Warren as Dmitry pointed out).

    We didn’t invent this game, but we gotta play it. And as I said before, my biggest beef with that is that Russians don’t qualify for an approved minority status, even though we had our share of suffering. Being white is a disqualifying feature apparently, but unlike other races, whites can’t even form their own clubs to promote themselves.

    • Replies: @AP
    @mal

    The funniest thing is I knew a blond blue eyed Argentine physician whose parents were Baltic immigrants (may or may not have allied with the Germans) who used affirmative action to his advantage as a Latino in the USA.

    Replies: @Pumblechook

  38. @neutral
    @mal

    Time you got a new wife.

    Replies: @mal

    Nah, we are good, thanks.

  39. Ano4 says:
    @jbwilson24
    Given that Russians suffered multiple catastrophes (the Jewish/Bolshevik takeover, WW2, etc) to the tune of tens of millions of dead, we don't hear much about them at all. It's the Holocaust (Trademark) all the time. Sickening.

    I've idly wondered what Russia's population would be but for WW1, the Bolshevik massacres, and WW2. The country is eerily depopulated in parts, and I fear it is by design.

    Replies: @another anon, @Ano4

    I’ve idly wondered what Russia’s population would be but for WW1, the Bolshevik massacres, and WW2

    .

    Mendeleev was tasked with evaluating the Russian Empire demographic trends.

    He evaluated that by mid XXth century the Empire population would have reached around 400 million people.

    Eastern Slavs were the main component of the Empire population.

    So probably the Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian population would be twice as important today if not for the catastrophic events of the XX century.

    Slavs are still the largest ethnic group in Europe, but their demographics are depressing.

    If Russian Empire remained, the Slavs would dominate Eurasia today.

  40. @Dmitry
    Joke aside. Surely, Anatoly if you are going to America again, you can try to apply for benefits as a person of colour? What would you write in the university application affirmative action section?

    -

    Well, who can qualify as person of colour will be the next American frontier and goldrush, and probably there is still a chance for borderline cases, although they might have to fight against competitors.

    E.g. woman with Uzbek names is attacking an half-Armenian Kardashian family for being "actually white" and "blackfishing". https://thetab.com/2019/11/05/a-reminder-of-what-the-kardashian-jenners-looked-like-a-long-long-time-ago-130023

    -

    For most Russian (slavic) origin people in America, it's probably difficult not to fall into the useless zone between WASP and Persons of Colour. On one hand, light hair makes it difficult to join the Person of Colour; on the other hand, an imperfect accent will probably mean failure in application for membership in Skull and Bones, or Boston Brahmins.

    I assume for an AnonTN or AP, there is not the privilege of being WASP, and neither affirmative action advantages available to persons of colour - unless they say they are native Indians (which Elizabeth Warren shows you can, even with anglosaxon name, blue eyes and blonde hair).


    by Russian SJWs.
     
    Fashionable youth - who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary "white man's burden" of apologizing for America's slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize - which implied that you accept responsibility - for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: "I apologize for ruling India for centuries."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Not Only Wrathful, @Anonymous (n), @AaronB, @Philip Owen

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries

    .”

    Fantastic insight, which sheds more real light on the true motivations of elite white SJW behavior than the reams of nonsense written about “self hate” and “brainwashing”.

    Elite white SJW attitudes is the final act of European conquest – we conquered you, we conquered material, now we shall conquer ourselves. We shall conquer our normal human self-love. We are so superior, we can positively flourish while dispensing with self-interest.

    It is the Final Frontier.

    Its closely related to the psychology of asceticism. For thousands of years monks engaged in masochistic asceticism, and Indian ascetics believed you would obtain “tapas” – or super human powers to levitate, withstand cold, etc.

    Monkish asceticism was a form of self-overcoming, a form of striving for superiority. These ascetics were the first to understand that extreme masochistic “humility” is actually the most ego-building thing you can do – the final frontier in ego. The warrior or the merchant are amateurs in comparison.

    SJWs are the descendents of the ascetic monks in terms of masochistic “humility”. The one naturally bled into the other. Europe has a 2,000 year old tradition that is now in its last stages in the form of SJWs.

    The best kinds of religion – true religion – understand that humility is not trying to conquer your ego, but accepting you are imperfect.

  41. @mal
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Lol she's not clueless - she knows she doesn't really have much to complain about.

    But - it is important if you can claim some sort of qualified minority membership. We went to numerous Hispanic leadership business dinners attended by high level corporate execs, government officials, and academics - all the corporate boards clamor for that diversity nonsense. This networking can be very good for your career. Your kids can get preference in school admissions (see Liz Warren as Dmitry pointed out).

    We didn't invent this game, but we gotta play it. And as I said before, my biggest beef with that is that Russians don't qualify for an approved minority status, even though we had our share of suffering. Being white is a disqualifying feature apparently, but unlike other races, whites can't even form their own clubs to promote themselves.

    Replies: @AP

    The funniest thing is I knew a blond blue eyed Argentine physician whose parents were Baltic immigrants (may or may not have allied with the Germans) who used affirmative action to his advantage as a Latino in the USA.

    • Replies: @Pumblechook
    @AP

    Had an acquaintance at school; half-Syrian, half-Basque born and raised until 14 in Colombia. Blonde, blue-eyed, benefiting not only from Hispanic privilege but also a swashbuckling Arabic first/last name (Christian but most people can't tell, something like 'Rami Malek' a lot of people would assume is Muslim). There goes a man blessed (if he ever moves to the States, at least!).

  42. @Anonymous (n)
    @Dmitry


    Fashionable youth – who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary “white man’s burden” of apologizing for America’s slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries.”
     
    Only defective subhumans can find anything intoxicating or satisfying in groveling and humiliation. It is unnatural and revolting. That is partly why despite all the evidence of external subversion, I ultimately blame the whites themselves for the plight they find themselves in. Blame the Jews all you want, but even if you place all the agency into their hands, they are merely leading the whites to water, it is the whites who are deciding to drink.

    There is something defective about the white race that makes being cucked so palatable to them. A healthy mind would not be able to stomach the taste of piss and shit no matter how cleverly and relentlessly such "delicacies" were pushed by the mass media. The same thing applies to racial self hatred and prostration. Only a substrate that was already inherently deviant would constitute such fertile ground for the propaganda to grow and fester. For some reason being a cuck resonates with the white mind, and for that only the whites themselves are to blame and will suffer the consequences.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Rich, @Dmitry

    Only defective subhumans can find anything intoxicating or satisfying in groveling and humiliation

    It depends.

    What if your group has mastered and conquered literally everything else there is to master? What if you left every other human group behind you in the dust they look like ants?

    What is left to conquer? What is left to do? What new force is there for you to oppose and master? Human nature. Your self.

    I agree with you it’s unhealthy. But only groups at the top have any need for it.

    But it goes to show that trying to be too extreme in anything is unhealthy. If conquest is your supreme goal to the exclusion of all else, after mastering the external world it will eventually turn to the internal world, and may not be healthy.

    • Replies: @mal
    @AaronB

    This is what happens when lions decide to live in air conditioned kennel and order steak from Amazon. This is also why actual lions decided not to invent Amazon and eat the children of those who attempt it instead - to put an end to that nonsense.

    And this is also why humans need space program. In the past, organized religion provided meaning to life, but let's face it, the tales it told are horribly outdated. Organized religion is a bust, it is more realistic to worship Harry Potter instead. Even jihadists these days are more about sex slaves and amphetamines in the moment rather than 72 virgins in the afterlife. When the most fanatical lose the power of belief, you know it is done for.

    Organized religion is going away, and disorganized religion is useless. Don't get me wrong, meditation is nice, but humans need to experience the thrill of accomplishment and conquering challenges. Right wing free market ideology is being made a mockery with reserve banks printing unlimited money for governments and connected rich. Left wing has a good doomsday cult going ("planet will die unless you repent your carbon consuming sins", and polar bear on an iceberg is a more family friendly martyr than Jesus on a cross). But doomsday cults are too depressing and inherently transactional to be inspirational and give meaning to life.

    A true religion needs an inspirational end point. Like Christians spending eternity with their God in bliss. Global warming lacks that - in a leftist utopia minority children brave snow piles to reach their windmill powered Harvard campus. Ok, and then what? What do they study? How to make fur coats out of polar bears to keep warm? If racism and sexism is defeated, what's the point of Harvard education? What is the inspirational goal after you are done with a PhD in Fur Fashion?

    And this is where the space program comes in. It is science based and therefore realistic (no worship of people eaten by fish necessary). It teaches useful skills such as engineering, and once Musk is done with his cost cutting, you will be able to buy a spaceship for a price of a decent temple. And what can be more inspirational than reaching for the stars? Travel to the unknown and overcoming challenges? Conquering new worlds and learning new things? Planting a flag on new territory for immortal fame - your name in history books - and prestige for your people, be it your country or United Earth Directorate? Genetically engineering a better you to cope with challenges of space travel? What can be a better calling than spreading life throughout the universe, so that polar bears have sanctuary on Ganymede when Earth can no longer support life?

    Space program can tick all those boxes and give people a new religion to keep them sane. Otherwise, we will see more and more of the gross debasement that our cognitive elites are currently displaying.

    Replies: @AaronB

  43. @mal
    @another anon

    lol I think you have me confused with someone else. I have no movement, and certainly not alt-right. I just happen to be Russian.

    No need to red pill the family - feminism is great fun. I always tell the wife she is a strong independent woman who needs no man whenever she wants me to do something and it's a major hassle. When she hears it from the feminists in the media, you can literally see the rage boiling over, highly amusing and effective.

    Replies: @Pumblechook

    Haha you tell ’em brother. Whenever it comes up, I tell my wife that I fully expect her to hold down a job/put bread on the table and that I am absolutely horrified by that grotesque blip in Western history between 1800-1960 when societies amassed enough wealth/equitably shared resources for women to be able to stay at home. Never again! They shall work for ever and to the bone.

    • Agree: mal
  44. It should be explained that the slogan in the title (RussianLivesMatter) appeared after the Russian opposition decided to cosplay America: the police in Yekaterinburg two days ago killed an armed robber (in the video, this type of threatening with a knife takes out Wallpaper from a Wallpaper store).

    https://vk.com/video-30486194_456239652?list=86c1bdaaf792b36eb5

    After robbery’s, the police came to this fighter against oppression, but the hero decided to scare the police with a fake Kalashnikov for airsoft.
    This is why there are now opposition calls for protest actions under the slogan – “it is Criminal for the police to kill people for Wallpaper” “He was not tried by the court, so he was innocent” “We want freedom as in America”, etc.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @melanf


    “We want freedom as in America”
     
    Do they like burning buildings, looting and mass displays of humiliation too?

    Replies: @melanf

  45. @AP
    @mal

    The funniest thing is I knew a blond blue eyed Argentine physician whose parents were Baltic immigrants (may or may not have allied with the Germans) who used affirmative action to his advantage as a Latino in the USA.

    Replies: @Pumblechook

    Had an acquaintance at school; half-Syrian, half-Basque born and raised until 14 in Colombia. Blonde, blue-eyed, benefiting not only from Hispanic privilege but also a swashbuckling Arabic first/last name (Christian but most people can’t tell, something like ‘Rami Malek’ a lot of people would assume is Muslim). There goes a man blessed (if he ever moves to the States, at least!).

  46. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Pericles


    More effective if you just tell her what she should think. Express yourself with a rant instead, preferrably you and her against the world
     
    If I look back to when I have acted like that I realise that I was always left feeling a bit sad and alienated after.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Why feel sad about expressing your honest opinion (which furthermore is correct)? You will usually need to mentor your girl a bit to get in sync … even if she expects you to be one, she’s not a mind reader.

    And if she absolutely refuses or always reignites this sort of conflict … maybe it wasn’t meant to be a long-term thing.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Pericles

    If that is the way you feel best while expressing your opinion and makes you feel connected, then you are a very different person from me.

  47. Rich says:
    @Anonymous (n)
    @Dmitry


    Fashionable youth – who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary “white man’s burden” of apologizing for America’s slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries.”
     
    Only defective subhumans can find anything intoxicating or satisfying in groveling and humiliation. It is unnatural and revolting. That is partly why despite all the evidence of external subversion, I ultimately blame the whites themselves for the plight they find themselves in. Blame the Jews all you want, but even if you place all the agency into their hands, they are merely leading the whites to water, it is the whites who are deciding to drink.

    There is something defective about the white race that makes being cucked so palatable to them. A healthy mind would not be able to stomach the taste of piss and shit no matter how cleverly and relentlessly such "delicacies" were pushed by the mass media. The same thing applies to racial self hatred and prostration. Only a substrate that was already inherently deviant would constitute such fertile ground for the propaganda to grow and fester. For some reason being a cuck resonates with the white mind, and for that only the whites themselves are to blame and will suffer the consequences.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Rich, @Dmitry

    A tiny percentage of Whites are apologizing. They are “soft-Whites” for the most part. Grew up in upper middle class neighborhoods, never met a negro but have been brainwashed by their synagogues,churches and schools to believe in the new American religion. Real Whites just want to be left alone and are well aware of black criminality. Here in NY, soft-Whites use the code “good schools” when in their hearts they know it’s White schools and neighborhoods they want. I can’t see this new American religion lasting, but I would’ve bet against that small sect from Palestine, too, so what do I know?

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
  48. @melanf
    It should be explained that the slogan in the title (RussianLivesMatter) appeared after the Russian opposition decided to cosplay America: the police in Yekaterinburg two days ago killed an armed robber (in the video, this type of threatening with a knife takes out Wallpaper from a Wallpaper store).

    https://vk.com/video-30486194_456239652?list=86c1bdaaf792b36eb5

    After robbery's, the police came to this fighter against oppression, but the hero decided to scare the police with a fake Kalashnikov for airsoft.
    This is why there are now opposition calls for protest actions under the slogan - "it is Criminal for the police to kill people for Wallpaper" "He was not tried by the court, so he was innocent" "We want freedom as in America", etc.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    “We want freedom as in America”

    Do they like burning buildings, looting and mass displays of humiliation too?

    • Replies: @melanf
    @Daniel Chieh

    Certainly. This is what the commentators want (as the beginning of the struggle against the oppressors of the people)

  49. @Daniel Chieh
    @melanf


    “We want freedom as in America”
     
    Do they like burning buildings, looting and mass displays of humiliation too?

    Replies: @melanf

    Certainly. This is what the commentators want (as the beginning of the struggle against the oppressors of the people)

  50. I was watching NASA’s TV channel a few days ago and they were showing a film from the 1960’s on the US manned space program from the first suborbital Mercury flight to the Apollo lunar landing. Of particular interest ( as it showed how far race relations have come and why it will never be enough) was a news conference from late 1962 wherein Deke Slayton, the astronaut cadre chief, was introducing the 30 new astronaut selectees who would man the Gemini and Apollo space flights. The last question he was asked was if any ‘negro boys’ had been considered. Slayton quickly ( and without any guilt) said ‘no’ then adjourned the press conference.

    The film then fast forwarded a bit to a news conference at Edwards Air Force Base where a visibly hurt Charles Bolden, later to become NASA adminstrator under Obama, was being asked why he had been rejected for astronaut training by Slayton even though he was a military test pilot. He tried to put a brave face on it and didn’t play the ‘race card’ but you could see the pain in his eyes though, to be honest, he didn’t have the educational attainment or combat flying record of those early astronauts. He did waspishly note that being a test pilot kept him out of the Vietnam War and when the space shuttle program came along he did become an astronaut.

    Interesting that the USSR was playing ‘identity politics’ with manned space flight in those early days but they were ahead of the US and had more reliable and powerful rockets so putting the first woman or satellite nation cosmonaut in space didn’t cost their program a lot. The US just couldn’t afford to ‘waste’ a launch for propaganda purposes until we had reached the moon.

  51. @Daniel Chieh
    @Dmitry

    Karlin would probably try to write the entire application in memes, assuming he doesn't insist on expressing himself solely through interpretive cooking.

    Words are tools of white oppression.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @melanf
    @Blinky Bill

    Moscow mayor Sobyanin is not Russian, he is a Mansi (this is a tribe living in the Arctic).
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Sergey_Sobyanin_official_portrait.jpg

    If the Mansi had avoided contact with the eupean civilization in the past, Sobyanin would have looked
    http://files.adme.ru/files/news/part_67/674805/5062455-R3L8T8D-600-2426962-1.jpg

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  52. @Blinky Bill
    @Daniel Chieh


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSHsf9ae9QNj86JAZ1r3OUoY0lSJiWXoj9ycETzWVWc8L0O5UX_&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRYHx1xI2dUWaMQIZ8Kiy-8NQTsYJAnJn5ueSePSmEI5aiR1sSX&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Sergey_Sobyanin_official_portrait.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSLEYCIfekYwodVIl_9iqBCEaitThYsWSX_0_GCUDY-KzwF5kVr&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @melanf

    Moscow mayor Sobyanin is not Russian, he is a Mansi (this is a tribe living in the Arctic).
    If the Mansi had avoided contact with the eupean civilization in the past, Sobyanin would have looked

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @melanf

    #RussianLivesMatter


    You missed some really good chances to use the whole cold war era Slavs aren’t white stuff my friend
     

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRXS8Q199hNP8VZdHRVelqOT-AV_rzQMZ_BhiDSsHtczIL9CEfG&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Sergei_Vladimirovich_Bodrov.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Kornilov1916.jpeg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Ока_Иванович_Городовиков.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSxZkdqPWD7w1j4_LyEPF0zSk7OwU3hQOGKYjBtK4i3KDD2681N&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTJ-dzVA2jcMmcO7al-zG3oN3xSB6XCa7T3m8t1U2vhbh8y-zo5&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Yuriy_Yekhanurov_2013.jpg

    I know the race and ethnicity of every one of these individuals.

    How many others can identify them? It'll be a fun game.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Swedish Family

  53. @Pericles
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Why feel sad about expressing your honest opinion (which furthermore is correct)? You will usually need to mentor your girl a bit to get in sync ... even if she expects you to be one, she's not a mind reader.

    And if she absolutely refuses or always reignites this sort of conflict ... maybe it wasn't meant to be a long-term thing.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    If that is the way you feel best while expressing your opinion and makes you feel connected, then you are a very different person from me.

  54. I find myself starting to agree with Aaron_B: what we need is a vigorous, more spiritual, and more emotional response – but in bot form, in order to save man-hours, and not degrade ourselves. I suggest that IBM-Watson be used to create woker-than-thou algorithms in order to put an end to the Great Awokening.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @songbird

    If you are trying to conquer everything, eventually the last thing to conquer will be yourself. Your instincts. Your desires. Your nature.

    That is the second to last stage

    What comes after that? Its obvious if you think about it.

    After you've conquered the entire physical and mental world and your ordinary nature, the only thing left to conquer is - your desire to conquer :)

    The final stage in the European quest to conquer everything - the greatest will to power the world has seen - will be to conquer the desire to conquer :)

    After a prolonged period of SJW ascetic masochism, of SJW self denial, of conquest of the normal human urge towards self-interest and self-love, of monkish asceticism, the urge to conquer will turn against the desire to self-flagellate.

    Because right now, the self-humiliation of whites is a source of tremendous pleasure and a feeling of power for them - but that will grow boring in time. Its still novel. The next pleasure they will get will be to deny themselves even this pleasure.

    The ultimate in asceticism is to not even be ascetic :) (because asceticism is a pleasure - how can an ascetic indulge in a pleasure?).

    And so the full logic of the will to power will finally be to no longer desire to be exceptional or perfect - but to simply be an ordinary, imperfect ego, not master of the physical universe nor master of ones internal universe.

    And so the logic of the will to power culminates in Taoism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @songbird

  55. @melanf
    @Blinky Bill

    Moscow mayor Sobyanin is not Russian, he is a Mansi (this is a tribe living in the Arctic).
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Sergey_Sobyanin_official_portrait.jpg

    If the Mansi had avoided contact with the eupean civilization in the past, Sobyanin would have looked
    http://files.adme.ru/files/news/part_67/674805/5062455-R3L8T8D-600-2426962-1.jpg

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    #RussianLivesMatter

    You missed some really good chances to use the whole cold war era Slavs aren’t white stuff my friend

    [MORE]


    I know the race and ethnicity of every one of these individuals.

    How many others can identify them? It’ll be a fun game.

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQ8ridsXFtBz8ett4BaoPYt7iaW4roZMlwAVz6D07ICPboB9M2m&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Zemfira_March_2009.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSIlOd8PrbFhWveTmkyQcreByJunvAi5iC5Sa7X-GQi5tQvPzCu&usqp.jpg

    , @Swedish Family
    @Blinky Bill


    How many others can identify them? It’ll be a fun game.
     
    Don't know about Brezhnev, Bodrov, Lenin, or Miller ... but Zemfira is Tatar. Do tell! :)
  56. @Blinky Bill
    @melanf

    #RussianLivesMatter


    You missed some really good chances to use the whole cold war era Slavs aren’t white stuff my friend
     

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRXS8Q199hNP8VZdHRVelqOT-AV_rzQMZ_BhiDSsHtczIL9CEfG&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Sergei_Vladimirovich_Bodrov.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Kornilov1916.jpeg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Ока_Иванович_Городовиков.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSxZkdqPWD7w1j4_LyEPF0zSk7OwU3hQOGKYjBtK4i3KDD2681N&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTJ-dzVA2jcMmcO7al-zG3oN3xSB6XCa7T3m8t1U2vhbh8y-zo5&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Yuriy_Yekhanurov_2013.jpg

    I know the race and ethnicity of every one of these individuals.

    How many others can identify them? It'll be a fun game.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Swedish Family

    [MORE]

  57. @songbird
    I find myself starting to agree with Aaron_B: what we need is a vigorous, more spiritual, and more emotional response - but in bot form, in order to save man-hours, and not degrade ourselves. I suggest that IBM-Watson be used to create woker-than-thou algorithms in order to put an end to the Great Awokening.

    Replies: @AaronB

    If you are trying to conquer everything, eventually the last thing to conquer will be yourself. Your instincts. Your desires. Your nature.

    That is the second to last stage

    What comes after that? Its obvious if you think about it.

    After you’ve conquered the entire physical and mental world and your ordinary nature, the only thing left to conquer is – your desire to conquer 🙂

    The final stage in the European quest to conquer everything – the greatest will to power the world has seen – will be to conquer the desire to conquer 🙂

    After a prolonged period of SJW ascetic masochism, of SJW self denial, of conquest of the normal human urge towards self-interest and self-love, of monkish asceticism, the urge to conquer will turn against the desire to self-flagellate.

    Because right now, the self-humiliation of whites is a source of tremendous pleasure and a feeling of power for them – but that will grow boring in time. Its still novel. The next pleasure they will get will be to deny themselves even this pleasure.

    The ultimate in asceticism is to not even be ascetic 🙂 (because asceticism is a pleasure – how can an ascetic indulge in a pleasure?).

    And so the full logic of the will to power will finally be to no longer desire to be exceptional or perfect – but to simply be an ordinary, imperfect ego, not master of the physical universe nor master of ones internal universe.

    And so the logic of the will to power culminates in Taoism.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @AaronB

    The end result of this process is to realize the will to power was always based on a mistake.

    First you see a separation between you and the world. So you go and conquer the world. (The works means physical territory, other nations, science, and philosophy,)

    Then you see a separation between you and your feelings and instincts. So you decide you need to conquer your feelings and instincts. (SJW stage)

    Then you see a separation between "you" and your need to conquer your feelings and instincts (because that's just another feeling and instinct). So you conquer your need to conquer your feelings and instincts. (This is the stage we will enter after SJW).

    Where are you now? Each stage was predicated on an opposition between "you" and "other". There was always the "you" that had to conquer the "other". Eventually your own nature became "not you". And then even the feeling, the urge, to overcome your nature became the "not you".

    But this final step leaves you with no more opposition between you and other - there is no infinite regress. One cannot say the urge to conquer the urge to conquer your nature itself must be conquered, because that would merely take us back to an earlier stage.

    We would just be forever oscillating between the two last stages forever.

    What is the implication of all this? That the distinction between you and other is a cognitive error, because acting on this assumption leads to illogical absurdity.

    This is the insight of the mystics, intuituvely grasped, without logic

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    , @songbird
    @AaronB

    I believe there is a verbal battle between Leftists and Rightists, which uniquely defines the West in its era of peace, when talking counts for something, and the ability to wage war counts for nothing. The secret is the verbal tilt, which predominates on the Left. (East Asians are math-tilted, I believe)

    Left and Right endlessly fight a war of words, but L has more words, just as women have more words than men, so the Right's troops are outnumbered, always fleeing from the field, or being slain and routed, and each time, society becomes more progressive and more feminine. L emotes more than R, so L's emotions outnumber R's emotions, and win the battle of emotions, by which the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

    The trend we are on seemed an intractable situation because we are not able to change our verbal natures. Men remain more stoic than women, and they do not enjoy endlessly gabbing. (I suspect East Asian women babble less) But now, a lot of communication is text and emoji-based. It can be simulated, by machines. We can have Maxim guns of words and Congreve rockets of emotions, on social media. We can win - with bots.

    And they can steer our enemies into tracts of philosophy and introspection and make them give up the life of bugmen, and help redeem them by turning them instead to truth and beauty, by posting pictures of masterpieces, while simultaneously savaging modern art and architectural brutalism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Dmitry

  58. United States Secretary of Defense explains why 90’s Russia was a necessary and positive development.

    [MORE]

  59. @AaronB
    @songbird

    If you are trying to conquer everything, eventually the last thing to conquer will be yourself. Your instincts. Your desires. Your nature.

    That is the second to last stage

    What comes after that? Its obvious if you think about it.

    After you've conquered the entire physical and mental world and your ordinary nature, the only thing left to conquer is - your desire to conquer :)

    The final stage in the European quest to conquer everything - the greatest will to power the world has seen - will be to conquer the desire to conquer :)

    After a prolonged period of SJW ascetic masochism, of SJW self denial, of conquest of the normal human urge towards self-interest and self-love, of monkish asceticism, the urge to conquer will turn against the desire to self-flagellate.

    Because right now, the self-humiliation of whites is a source of tremendous pleasure and a feeling of power for them - but that will grow boring in time. Its still novel. The next pleasure they will get will be to deny themselves even this pleasure.

    The ultimate in asceticism is to not even be ascetic :) (because asceticism is a pleasure - how can an ascetic indulge in a pleasure?).

    And so the full logic of the will to power will finally be to no longer desire to be exceptional or perfect - but to simply be an ordinary, imperfect ego, not master of the physical universe nor master of ones internal universe.

    And so the logic of the will to power culminates in Taoism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @songbird

    The end result of this process is to realize the will to power was always based on a mistake.

    First you see a separation between you and the world. So you go and conquer the world. (The works means physical territory, other nations, science, and philosophy,)

    Then you see a separation between you and your feelings and instincts. So you decide you need to conquer your feelings and instincts. (SJW stage)

    Then you see a separation between “you” and your need to conquer your feelings and instincts (because that’s just another feeling and instinct). So you conquer your need to conquer your feelings and instincts. (This is the stage we will enter after SJW).

    Where are you now? Each stage was predicated on an opposition between “you” and “other”. There was always the “you” that had to conquer the “other”. Eventually your own nature became “not you”. And then even the feeling, the urge, to overcome your nature became the “not you”.

    But this final step leaves you with no more opposition between you and other – there is no infinite regress. One cannot say the urge to conquer the urge to conquer your nature itself must be conquered, because that would merely take us back to an earlier stage.

    We would just be forever oscillating between the two last stages forever.

    What is the implication of all this? That the distinction between you and other is a cognitive error, because acting on this assumption leads to illogical absurdity.

    This is the insight of the mystics, intuituvely grasped, without logic

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @AaronB


    The end result of this process is to realize the will to power was always based on a mistake.
     
    I disagree. I see it as necessary. Not just in a practical civilisational sense, in that it provided everything required for people to be free from the need for it, but also on the personal level.

    Otherwise you'd just be a child, like many of the rioters, entirely a victim of your nature and with no ability to first really look at it and then really be it.

    A child may have been innocently unafraid of Medusa but they would still end up petrified. Only someone with a fully developed will to power could gaze directly at her and move onto the mature will to live.

    Replies: @AaronB

  60. Not during communist warfare:
    Crimean Front: „On 2 March, Mekhlis (the highest ranking Jew in the Red Army) launched his ’big music’ in a fiasco that proved to be the insane apogee of terror applied to military science. He banned the digging of trenches ’so that the offensive spirit of the soldiers would not be undermined’ and insisted that anyone who took ’elementary security measures’ was a ’panic monger’. All were ’mashed into a bloody porridge’.” There goes an army group of 250,000 men.
    (Simon Sebag Montefiore: Stalin, the Court of the Red Tsar, Phoenix, 2003, p. 421.)

    There go some of the 26 million military deaths during the Great Patriotic War.

    • Replies: @melanf
    @Marcali


    „On 2 March, Mekhlis (the highest ranking Jew in the Red Army) launched his ’big music’ in a fiasco that proved to be the insane apogee of terror applied to military science. He banned the digging of trenches ’so that the offensive spirit of the soldiers would not be undermined’ and insisted that anyone who took ’elementary security measures’ was a ’panic monger’
     
    The wildest nonsense
    , @Swedish Family
    @Marcali


    Not during communist warfare:
    Crimean Front: „On 2 March, Mekhlis (the highest ranking Jew in the Red Army) launched his ’big music’ in a fiasco that proved to be the insane apogee of terror applied to military science. He banned the digging of trenches ’so that the offensive spirit of the soldiers would not be undermined’ and insisted that anyone who took ’elementary security measures’ was a ’panic monger’. All were ’mashed into a bloody porridge’.” There goes an army group of 250,000 men.
    (Simon Sebag Montefiore: Stalin, the Court of the Red Tsar, Phoenix, 2003, p. 421.)
     
    Notoriously poor at fact-checking, sadly. See if you can find his source and take it from there.
  61. @Marcali
    Not during communist warfare:
    Crimean Front: „On 2 March, Mekhlis (the highest ranking Jew in the Red Army) launched his ’big music’ in a fiasco that proved to be the insane apogee of terror applied to military science. He banned the digging of trenches ’so that the offensive spirit of the soldiers would not be undermined’ and insisted that anyone who took ’elementary security measures’ was a ’panic monger’. All were ’mashed into a bloody porridge’.” There goes an army group of 250,000 men.
    (Simon Sebag Montefiore: Stalin, the Court of the Red Tsar, Phoenix, 2003, p. 421.)

    There go some of the 26 million military deaths during the Great Patriotic War.

    Replies: @melanf, @Swedish Family

    „On 2 March, Mekhlis (the highest ranking Jew in the Red Army) launched his ’big music’ in a fiasco that proved to be the insane apogee of terror applied to military science. He banned the digging of trenches ’so that the offensive spirit of the soldiers would not be undermined’ and insisted that anyone who took ’elementary security measures’ was a ’panic monger’

    The wildest nonsense

  62. This is pitch perfect and we need far more of this.

  63. mal says:
    @AaronB
    @Anonymous (n)


    Only defective subhumans can find anything intoxicating or satisfying in groveling and humiliation
     
    It depends.

    What if your group has mastered and conquered literally everything else there is to master? What if you left every other human group behind you in the dust they look like ants?

    What is left to conquer? What is left to do? What new force is there for you to oppose and master? Human nature. Your self.

    I agree with you it's unhealthy. But only groups at the top have any need for it.

    But it goes to show that trying to be too extreme in anything is unhealthy. If conquest is your supreme goal to the exclusion of all else, after mastering the external world it will eventually turn to the internal world, and may not be healthy.

    Replies: @mal

    This is what happens when lions decide to live in air conditioned kennel and order steak from Amazon. This is also why actual lions decided not to invent Amazon and eat the children of those who attempt it instead – to put an end to that nonsense.

    And this is also why humans need space program. In the past, organized religion provided meaning to life, but let’s face it, the tales it told are horribly outdated. Organized religion is a bust, it is more realistic to worship Harry Potter instead. Even jihadists these days are more about sex slaves and amphetamines in the moment rather than 72 virgins in the afterlife. When the most fanatical lose the power of belief, you know it is done for.

    Organized religion is going away, and disorganized religion is useless. Don’t get me wrong, meditation is nice, but humans need to experience the thrill of accomplishment and conquering challenges. Right wing free market ideology is being made a mockery with reserve banks printing unlimited money for governments and connected rich. Left wing has a good doomsday cult going (“planet will die unless you repent your carbon consuming sins”, and polar bear on an iceberg is a more family friendly martyr than Jesus on a cross). But doomsday cults are too depressing and inherently transactional to be inspirational and give meaning to life.

    A true religion needs an inspirational end point. Like Christians spending eternity with their God in bliss. Global warming lacks that – in a leftist utopia minority children brave snow piles to reach their windmill powered Harvard campus. Ok, and then what? What do they study? How to make fur coats out of polar bears to keep warm? If racism and sexism is defeated, what’s the point of Harvard education? What is the inspirational goal after you are done with a PhD in Fur Fashion?

    And this is where the space program comes in. It is science based and therefore realistic (no worship of people eaten by fish necessary). It teaches useful skills such as engineering, and once Musk is done with his cost cutting, you will be able to buy a spaceship for a price of a decent temple. And what can be more inspirational than reaching for the stars? Travel to the unknown and overcoming challenges? Conquering new worlds and learning new things? Planting a flag on new territory for immortal fame – your name in history books – and prestige for your people, be it your country or United Earth Directorate? Genetically engineering a better you to cope with challenges of space travel? What can be a better calling than spreading life throughout the universe, so that polar bears have sanctuary on Ganymede when Earth can no longer support life?

    Space program can tick all those boxes and give people a new religion to keep them sane. Otherwise, we will see more and more of the gross debasement that our cognitive elites are currently displaying.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @mal

    Much of what you say is correct.

    The urge to conquer is universal and historically has taken on two forms - that of the monk, and that of the man of the world. Interior conquest or exterior conquest. Europe traditionally had both. But the past 500 years has seen a massive shift towards exterior conquest. SJWs come from the tradition of the monk - interior conquest. The monk is taking over in Europe again.

    A space program would certainly shift the focus away from interior conquest and towards exterior conquest.

    A lion is a predator - I guess if you cage up a lion, he still needs prey, and will prey on himself. He'll start eating his tail.A space program would redirect the predator outwards again.

    I concede the European dialectic has oscillated between exterior and interior conquest throughout most of history.

    The East was a bit different - early on they seemed to have settled on inner conquest and neglected the conquest of the external realm.

    There is one final option - to transcend the desire to conquer. Is that possible? It may come at the end of a long process of conquest.

    If the opposition between world and you is false, then all conquest is you eating your own tail, like the dragon Ourobourous.

    Perhaps we don't need to be SJWs denying our own nature, or try and conquer others and the outside. We can just be, just as we are, and revel in the absurdity of life. Maybe we can wink at life 😉

    Or perhaps it doesn't matter :)

    And those who wish to conquer their nature, can please themselves, and those who want to conquer the world, can also please themselves.

    So good luck.

  64. @mal
    @AaronB

    This is what happens when lions decide to live in air conditioned kennel and order steak from Amazon. This is also why actual lions decided not to invent Amazon and eat the children of those who attempt it instead - to put an end to that nonsense.

    And this is also why humans need space program. In the past, organized religion provided meaning to life, but let's face it, the tales it told are horribly outdated. Organized religion is a bust, it is more realistic to worship Harry Potter instead. Even jihadists these days are more about sex slaves and amphetamines in the moment rather than 72 virgins in the afterlife. When the most fanatical lose the power of belief, you know it is done for.

    Organized religion is going away, and disorganized religion is useless. Don't get me wrong, meditation is nice, but humans need to experience the thrill of accomplishment and conquering challenges. Right wing free market ideology is being made a mockery with reserve banks printing unlimited money for governments and connected rich. Left wing has a good doomsday cult going ("planet will die unless you repent your carbon consuming sins", and polar bear on an iceberg is a more family friendly martyr than Jesus on a cross). But doomsday cults are too depressing and inherently transactional to be inspirational and give meaning to life.

    A true religion needs an inspirational end point. Like Christians spending eternity with their God in bliss. Global warming lacks that - in a leftist utopia minority children brave snow piles to reach their windmill powered Harvard campus. Ok, and then what? What do they study? How to make fur coats out of polar bears to keep warm? If racism and sexism is defeated, what's the point of Harvard education? What is the inspirational goal after you are done with a PhD in Fur Fashion?

    And this is where the space program comes in. It is science based and therefore realistic (no worship of people eaten by fish necessary). It teaches useful skills such as engineering, and once Musk is done with his cost cutting, you will be able to buy a spaceship for a price of a decent temple. And what can be more inspirational than reaching for the stars? Travel to the unknown and overcoming challenges? Conquering new worlds and learning new things? Planting a flag on new territory for immortal fame - your name in history books - and prestige for your people, be it your country or United Earth Directorate? Genetically engineering a better you to cope with challenges of space travel? What can be a better calling than spreading life throughout the universe, so that polar bears have sanctuary on Ganymede when Earth can no longer support life?

    Space program can tick all those boxes and give people a new religion to keep them sane. Otherwise, we will see more and more of the gross debasement that our cognitive elites are currently displaying.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Much of what you say is correct.

    The urge to conquer is universal and historically has taken on two forms – that of the monk, and that of the man of the world. Interior conquest or exterior conquest. Europe traditionally had both. But the past 500 years has seen a massive shift towards exterior conquest. SJWs come from the tradition of the monk – interior conquest. The monk is taking over in Europe again.

    A space program would certainly shift the focus away from interior conquest and towards exterior conquest.

    A lion is a predator – I guess if you cage up a lion, he still needs prey, and will prey on himself. He’ll start eating his tail.A space program would redirect the predator outwards again.

    I concede the European dialectic has oscillated between exterior and interior conquest throughout most of history.

    The East was a bit different – early on they seemed to have settled on inner conquest and neglected the conquest of the external realm.

    There is one final option – to transcend the desire to conquer. Is that possible? It may come at the end of a long process of conquest.

    If the opposition between world and you is false, then all conquest is you eating your own tail, like the dragon Ourobourous.

    Perhaps we don’t need to be SJWs denying our own nature, or try and conquer others and the outside. We can just be, just as we are, and revel in the absurdity of life. Maybe we can wink at life 😉

    Or perhaps it doesn’t matter 🙂

    And those who wish to conquer their nature, can please themselves, and those who want to conquer the world, can also please themselves.

    So good luck.

    • Thanks: mal
  65. @Blinky Bill
    @melanf

    #RussianLivesMatter


    You missed some really good chances to use the whole cold war era Slavs aren’t white stuff my friend
     

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRXS8Q199hNP8VZdHRVelqOT-AV_rzQMZ_BhiDSsHtczIL9CEfG&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Sergei_Vladimirovich_Bodrov.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Kornilov1916.jpeg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Ока_Иванович_Городовиков.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSxZkdqPWD7w1j4_LyEPF0zSk7OwU3hQOGKYjBtK4i3KDD2681N&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTJ-dzVA2jcMmcO7al-zG3oN3xSB6XCa7T3m8t1U2vhbh8y-zo5&usqp.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Yuriy_Yekhanurov_2013.jpg

    I know the race and ethnicity of every one of these individuals.

    How many others can identify them? It'll be a fun game.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Swedish Family

    How many others can identify them? It’ll be a fun game.

    Don’t know about Brezhnev, Bodrov, Lenin, or Miller … but Zemfira is Tatar. Do tell! 🙂

  66. @Marcali
    Not during communist warfare:
    Crimean Front: „On 2 March, Mekhlis (the highest ranking Jew in the Red Army) launched his ’big music’ in a fiasco that proved to be the insane apogee of terror applied to military science. He banned the digging of trenches ’so that the offensive spirit of the soldiers would not be undermined’ and insisted that anyone who took ’elementary security measures’ was a ’panic monger’. All were ’mashed into a bloody porridge’.” There goes an army group of 250,000 men.
    (Simon Sebag Montefiore: Stalin, the Court of the Red Tsar, Phoenix, 2003, p. 421.)

    There go some of the 26 million military deaths during the Great Patriotic War.

    Replies: @melanf, @Swedish Family

    Not during communist warfare:
    Crimean Front: „On 2 March, Mekhlis (the highest ranking Jew in the Red Army) launched his ’big music’ in a fiasco that proved to be the insane apogee of terror applied to military science. He banned the digging of trenches ’so that the offensive spirit of the soldiers would not be undermined’ and insisted that anyone who took ’elementary security measures’ was a ’panic monger’. All were ’mashed into a bloody porridge’.” There goes an army group of 250,000 men.
    (Simon Sebag Montefiore: Stalin, the Court of the Red Tsar, Phoenix, 2003, p. 421.)

    Notoriously poor at fact-checking, sadly. See if you can find his source and take it from there.

  67. Why would you want to accept the moral authority of rules crafted by American elite universities? They’re never going to be favorable to Russia except perhaps in the case that Russia gets taken over by some puppets of America.

    Russia is strong enough and it has a key piece of history behind it (defeating the Nazis) so that it can form its own alternative to the progressive stack and perhaps lure in a lot of Europeans who are going to be increasingly fed up with the importation of American racial ideology that doesn’t fit their nations history at all. By now even Finnish dissident forums are full of discussion over whether to admit that Russia could actually be the lesser evil and much of Eastern Europe will be ready to make the same conclusion once they see poz spreading to their countries.

    Ultimately, it’s all just a cover and justification of power relations. My country is a pretty good example of that. Within living memory we were told that the Swedes and the Germans deserve special privileges because they’re pure Aryans, a higher race while ethnic Finns are Mongoloids or at best a mixed race people so a B-tier race. Now we are told that the Swedes deserve “affirmative action” and quotes because they’re a minority and in the progressive anti-racist world minorities are always vulnerable and in need of special protections.

    In the crusades that formed this society we were told that they deserve their privileges because they brought God etc. Culture follows power relations and any narrative can and will be crafted to serve power. What really matters is having the power and resources to promote a narrative and that’s why the American empire and its SJW collaborators are so afraid of Russia: Russian media, academia and resources are not under their control and they could potentially craft an alternative that would appeal to the people that have been demonized in the West, most obviously the evil straight white man.

  68. @Dmitry
    Joke aside. Surely, Anatoly if you are going to America again, you can try to apply for benefits as a person of colour? What would you write in the university application affirmative action section?

    -

    Well, who can qualify as person of colour will be the next American frontier and goldrush, and probably there is still a chance for borderline cases, although they might have to fight against competitors.

    E.g. woman with Uzbek names is attacking an half-Armenian Kardashian family for being "actually white" and "blackfishing". https://thetab.com/2019/11/05/a-reminder-of-what-the-kardashian-jenners-looked-like-a-long-long-time-ago-130023

    -

    For most Russian (slavic) origin people in America, it's probably difficult not to fall into the useless zone between WASP and Persons of Colour. On one hand, light hair makes it difficult to join the Person of Colour; on the other hand, an imperfect accent will probably mean failure in application for membership in Skull and Bones, or Boston Brahmins.

    I assume for an AnonTN or AP, there is not the privilege of being WASP, and neither affirmative action advantages available to persons of colour - unless they say they are native Indians (which Elizabeth Warren shows you can, even with anglosaxon name, blue eyes and blonde hair).


    by Russian SJWs.
     
    Fashionable youth - who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary "white man's burden" of apologizing for America's slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize - which implied that you accept responsibility - for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: "I apologize for ruling India for centuries."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Not Only Wrathful, @Anonymous (n), @AaronB, @Philip Owen

    A recently discovered relative, an officer in the East India Company army, did for Tipu Sultan (a French agent in India), Penang Malaysia and Canton, China. In the latter two he set up the first EIC strongpoints/forts. So I have a slightly different problem.

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
    @Philip Owen

    You're Welsh, so you count as oppressed. There's even a popular Netflix show in your favor!
    https://youtu.be/TskhDyuIMzs

  69. @Dmitry
    @mal

    Yes it's funny Spanish/Portuguese nationalities are allowed benefits of Person of Colour membership when they are in the USA, even though members of those nationalities colonized the Southern and Central half of the American continent, and even had a comparable slave industry in countries like Brazil or Cuba.

    But membership of clubs, usually has such arbitrary clauses in what to accept and exclude - and Person of Colour is a particularly absurd even in its name. And then with the emphasis on the word "colour", someone can enter in the back window - Elizabeth Warren, who was accepted to Harvard University because she is a "Native American Indian" woman.

    Replies: @mal, @Philip Owen

    The Latin American slave industry consumed an order of magnitude more African lives than the Anglo-Saxon one and then some on top.

  70. @Svevlad
    we had some idiots participate in the blackout thing on social media

    it only resulted in people going full blown white nationalist here, not because they care what is happening in America (they wish maximum damage on all participants of all sides), but to piss off the domestic mondialists, and point out their hypocrisy (natistoid antiserb ex-yugo stateletoids pretty much demanding genocide, mass discrimination against serbs etc etc is fine, but some black guy is killed and suddenly boo hoo), even started a #serbianlivesmatter or #serblivesmatter hashtag

    Idiots. This sort of shit is basically "how to turn people to ethnonationalism 101", but we call them libtards for a reason I guess

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

    they wish maximum damage on all participants of all sides

    1%: on the side of protesters
    19%: on the side of Trump (leftists and minorities got out of hand)
    20%: protests are quite legitimate, but looting is unnecessary
    42%: more hell! Let them destroy their “city on the hill”
    18%: don’t care at all

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  71. @Anonymous (n)
    @Dmitry


    Fashionable youth – who can miss an opportunity to imagine yourselves as privileged anglosaxon hipsters, with contemporary “white man’s burden” of apologizing for America’s slave industry? We could also apologize for destroying the Inca civilization, and for dropping Napalm in Vietnam.

    There is some intoxication in this idea that skin colour allows you to apologize – which implied that you accept responsibility – for oppressive actions by powerful people that have no relation to your ancestors: “I apologize for ruling India for centuries.”
     
    Only defective subhumans can find anything intoxicating or satisfying in groveling and humiliation. It is unnatural and revolting. That is partly why despite all the evidence of external subversion, I ultimately blame the whites themselves for the plight they find themselves in. Blame the Jews all you want, but even if you place all the agency into their hands, they are merely leading the whites to water, it is the whites who are deciding to drink.

    There is something defective about the white race that makes being cucked so palatable to them. A healthy mind would not be able to stomach the taste of piss and shit no matter how cleverly and relentlessly such "delicacies" were pushed by the mass media. The same thing applies to racial self hatred and prostration. Only a substrate that was already inherently deviant would constitute such fertile ground for the propaganda to grow and fester. For some reason being a cuck resonates with the white mind, and for that only the whites themselves are to blame and will suffer the consequences.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Rich, @Dmitry

    To apologize, also implies that you are responsible, which implies your power and influence over the situation.

    “It’s my fault this woman crashed the car – I apologize for being so handsome and charming it must have distracted her when she drives past. Please ignore her drunkenness and that she paid bribe to buy for the driving pass. It must be me who is responsible for such things.”

    It’s possible my ancestors were mostly poor peasants. But I just have to go to America, and from irrelevant physical facts (vulnerability to sun burn and blue eyes), can mean I will be associated with the club of people – responsible for slavery?

    Well, here it’s something a bit like an elevation. Now I’m in the same group as Thomas Jefferson, and Boston Brahmins,

    It’s intoxicating to write apologies for such vast crimes, that can rival the gods. “I’m sorry for the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima, and crushing the armies of Moctezuma”.

    At the same time, it adds an additional boast, as it shows a sense of “saintly wisdom ” in the present acknowledgement of the evil of universally condemned actions.

    Note that people don’t actually apologize nuclear destruction of Hiroshima, as there is still a controversy that Americans do not accept their crime here. So if you distract from creating the saintly quality in yourself, if you apologized for something that was still a living controversy.

  72. @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    A recently discovered relative, an officer in the East India Company army, did for Tipu Sultan (a French agent in India), Penang Malaysia and Canton, China. In the latter two he set up the first EIC strongpoints/forts. So I have a slightly different problem.

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

    You’re Welsh, so you count as oppressed. There’s even a popular Netflix show in your favor!

  73. @AaronB
    @songbird

    If you are trying to conquer everything, eventually the last thing to conquer will be yourself. Your instincts. Your desires. Your nature.

    That is the second to last stage

    What comes after that? Its obvious if you think about it.

    After you've conquered the entire physical and mental world and your ordinary nature, the only thing left to conquer is - your desire to conquer :)

    The final stage in the European quest to conquer everything - the greatest will to power the world has seen - will be to conquer the desire to conquer :)

    After a prolonged period of SJW ascetic masochism, of SJW self denial, of conquest of the normal human urge towards self-interest and self-love, of monkish asceticism, the urge to conquer will turn against the desire to self-flagellate.

    Because right now, the self-humiliation of whites is a source of tremendous pleasure and a feeling of power for them - but that will grow boring in time. Its still novel. The next pleasure they will get will be to deny themselves even this pleasure.

    The ultimate in asceticism is to not even be ascetic :) (because asceticism is a pleasure - how can an ascetic indulge in a pleasure?).

    And so the full logic of the will to power will finally be to no longer desire to be exceptional or perfect - but to simply be an ordinary, imperfect ego, not master of the physical universe nor master of ones internal universe.

    And so the logic of the will to power culminates in Taoism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @songbird

    I believe there is a verbal battle between Leftists and Rightists, which uniquely defines the West in its era of peace, when talking counts for something, and the ability to wage war counts for nothing. The secret is the verbal tilt, which predominates on the Left. (East Asians are math-tilted, I believe)

    Left and Right endlessly fight a war of words, but L has more words, just as women have more words than men, so the Right’s troops are outnumbered, always fleeing from the field, or being slain and routed, and each time, society becomes more progressive and more feminine. L emotes more than R, so L’s emotions outnumber R’s emotions, and win the battle of emotions, by which the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

    The trend we are on seemed an intractable situation because we are not able to change our verbal natures. Men remain more stoic than women, and they do not enjoy endlessly gabbing. (I suspect East Asian women babble less) But now, a lot of communication is text and emoji-based. It can be simulated, by machines. We can have Maxim guns of words and Congreve rockets of emotions, on social media. We can win – with bots.

    And they can steer our enemies into tracts of philosophy and introspection and make them give up the life of bugmen, and help redeem them by turning them instead to truth and beauty, by posting pictures of masterpieces, while simultaneously savaging modern art and architectural brutalism.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @songbird

    You're treating it as a technical communication problem, which I think is a superficial aspect of it.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Dmitry
    @songbird


    East Asians are math
     
    You think that because you do not speak Chinese, and Chinese find it difficult to speak non-Chinese languages (for example, they often do not speak with the past tense when they speak English).

    Chinese people are talkative among themselves, and their countries main historical contribution is in literacy, poetry and literature. (Of countries in East Asia, only Japan has independent achievements in mathematics e.g. Takakazu).

    steer our enemies into tracts of philosophy and introspection and make them give up the life of bugmen, and help redeem them by turning them instead to truth and beauty, by posting pictures of masterpieces
     
    I'm sure, most people who love and understand great art and music - are politically conventional liberals.

    In America, for example, New York Times is the main promoter of classical music.

    In the UK, the best writers in classical music are The Guardian. E.g. this excellent article about Schubert's 8th.
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/tomserviceblog/2014/jan/14/symphony-guide-schubert-unfinished-tom-service

    And yet same The Guardian is the most crazy newspaper politically, and writes the better articles about Schubert than other newspapers in whole languages (like Russian).

    Replies: @songbird

  74. Nice troll, AK. Making the internet better one less “Bashkirian non-binary lesbian” at a time.

    There is a really old and really stupid joke that I have heard at least thirty times but I don’t believe I have ever heard it from a person who was not drunk.

    I am a lesbian trapped in a man’s body.

  75. @AaronB
    @AaronB

    The end result of this process is to realize the will to power was always based on a mistake.

    First you see a separation between you and the world. So you go and conquer the world. (The works means physical territory, other nations, science, and philosophy,)

    Then you see a separation between you and your feelings and instincts. So you decide you need to conquer your feelings and instincts. (SJW stage)

    Then you see a separation between "you" and your need to conquer your feelings and instincts (because that's just another feeling and instinct). So you conquer your need to conquer your feelings and instincts. (This is the stage we will enter after SJW).

    Where are you now? Each stage was predicated on an opposition between "you" and "other". There was always the "you" that had to conquer the "other". Eventually your own nature became "not you". And then even the feeling, the urge, to overcome your nature became the "not you".

    But this final step leaves you with no more opposition between you and other - there is no infinite regress. One cannot say the urge to conquer the urge to conquer your nature itself must be conquered, because that would merely take us back to an earlier stage.

    We would just be forever oscillating between the two last stages forever.

    What is the implication of all this? That the distinction between you and other is a cognitive error, because acting on this assumption leads to illogical absurdity.

    This is the insight of the mystics, intuituvely grasped, without logic

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    The end result of this process is to realize the will to power was always based on a mistake.

    I disagree. I see it as necessary. Not just in a practical civilisational sense, in that it provided everything required for people to be free from the need for it, but also on the personal level.

    Otherwise you’d just be a child, like many of the rioters, entirely a victim of your nature and with no ability to first really look at it and then really be it.

    A child may have been innocently unafraid of Medusa but they would still end up petrified. Only someone with a fully developed will to power could gaze directly at her and move onto the mature will to live.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Perhaps I should have said an inordinate will to power.

    A certain amount of mastery and power is surely necessary and important to live a good life. I don't see how one can dispense with it. We need to defend ourselves and have a certain level of mastery of the physical world in order to live.

    Its just these projects of extreme mastery and control. The SJW is striving for extreme domination over his human nature. He cannot accept his imperfection. He cannot accept he has an ego. Ultimately he cannot laugh at himself - he has no sense of humor. He comes from a long of line of monks and ascetics.

    And his counterpart on the Right, who seeks to dominate others, suffers from.the same defect.

    In the end we should be no better and no worse than what we are - just as nature made us. Be just as egotistical as you are - no less and no more.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

  76. @Not Only Wrathful
    @AaronB


    The end result of this process is to realize the will to power was always based on a mistake.
     
    I disagree. I see it as necessary. Not just in a practical civilisational sense, in that it provided everything required for people to be free from the need for it, but also on the personal level.

    Otherwise you'd just be a child, like many of the rioters, entirely a victim of your nature and with no ability to first really look at it and then really be it.

    A child may have been innocently unafraid of Medusa but they would still end up petrified. Only someone with a fully developed will to power could gaze directly at her and move onto the mature will to live.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Perhaps I should have said an inordinate will to power.

    A certain amount of mastery and power is surely necessary and important to live a good life. I don’t see how one can dispense with it. We need to defend ourselves and have a certain level of mastery of the physical world in order to live.

    Its just these projects of extreme mastery and control. The SJW is striving for extreme domination over his human nature. He cannot accept his imperfection. He cannot accept he has an ego. Ultimately he cannot laugh at himself – he has no sense of humor. He comes from a long of line of monks and ascetics.

    And his counterpart on the Right, who seeks to dominate others, suffers from.the same defect.

    In the end we should be no better and no worse than what we are – just as nature made us. Be just as egotistical as you are – no less and no more.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @AaronB

    You seem to have an understanding of formal texts on this subject, which I don't. I can therefore only describe my experiences in reply and apologise that they may not make any sense.

    If we take "the will to power" as a rough stand in for the ego, or simply your sense of perspective, and we roughly separate out "nature"/your unconscious or simply your sense of feeling, then we have a model for development.

    All humans are born as their sense of feeling. Babies just are, but they are also helpless.

    As we grow up, we learn to put our feelings into perspective; but gradually.

    This allows us to work and productively engage with the world.

    However, our perspective most often puts our feelings away, rather than looking at them with a welcoming gaze. This alienates us from ourselves even as we are empowered.

    Also, some people really struggle to develop their sense of perspective. It needs to be at least partially developed by your late teens, otherwise this is when various forms of psychosis manifest. Psychosis is a lack of self-insight. Women seem to struggle with this more than men and the rioters of the day seem to struggle with this a lot!

    Furthermore, psychosis is an extreme manifestation of someone having an underdeveloped sense of perspective, but compensatory megalomania, borderline personality disorder and all manner of unpleasantness can result. At the same time, individuals with this, may also exert a certain authentic magnetism. They are more raw. They live closer to a state of nature.

    Paradoxically, those with a more developed sense of perspective can be particularly attracted to this, as their alienation from their own sense of feeling can render them vulnerable to becoming co-dependent. In turn, they may appear somewhat golden to those with no perspective, as they will seem so self-assured and thoughtful. Or they may simply come across asunfeeling lizard people. Like mansplainers and libertarians.

    Anyway, as perspective grows, the individual has a greater and greater capacity for self-denial and thus for productivity. Life rewards them and the hedonic treadmill spins.

    That is, until it reaches a point of such self-suffocation that nothing carries meaning anymore and, either they find endless ways to distract themselves, or, their perspective sort of commits suicide. It does this by looking internally at their sense of feeling, which eventually looks back, and the feeling regenerates them and the two eventually coexist as one. This is a good but seemingly very unusual thing. Perhaps women find this bit easier too.

    In this way, your sense of perspective needs to develop to its fullest extent so that it can see the meaninglessness of reaching there, and only then will it be truly strong enough to turn inwards and just look. It basically needs to have no other choice. The scenario may need to be suicide or finding home. As dramatic as that sounds!

    And really, just looking is all that it needs to do, even if that is much easier said than actually done.

    I have no experience with meditation but I off-handedly believe that what I describe as "looking" is meditation. It is looking inward at oneself without judgement until there's no more distance between what you are looking at and what you are.

    Indeed, I always thought that meditation was terribly boring until I did this. I also assumed that meditation was thinking of nothing, which maybe it is. But what I am describing is not boring at all. It is the perfect opposite of boring.

    Replies: @Ano4, @AaronB

  77. @songbird
    @AaronB

    I believe there is a verbal battle between Leftists and Rightists, which uniquely defines the West in its era of peace, when talking counts for something, and the ability to wage war counts for nothing. The secret is the verbal tilt, which predominates on the Left. (East Asians are math-tilted, I believe)

    Left and Right endlessly fight a war of words, but L has more words, just as women have more words than men, so the Right's troops are outnumbered, always fleeing from the field, or being slain and routed, and each time, society becomes more progressive and more feminine. L emotes more than R, so L's emotions outnumber R's emotions, and win the battle of emotions, by which the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

    The trend we are on seemed an intractable situation because we are not able to change our verbal natures. Men remain more stoic than women, and they do not enjoy endlessly gabbing. (I suspect East Asian women babble less) But now, a lot of communication is text and emoji-based. It can be simulated, by machines. We can have Maxim guns of words and Congreve rockets of emotions, on social media. We can win - with bots.

    And they can steer our enemies into tracts of philosophy and introspection and make them give up the life of bugmen, and help redeem them by turning them instead to truth and beauty, by posting pictures of masterpieces, while simultaneously savaging modern art and architectural brutalism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Dmitry

    You’re treating it as a technical communication problem, which I think is a superficial aspect of it.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AaronB

    Progressives may not be counting words, but they intuitively recognize the importance of them.

  78. @songbird
    @AaronB

    I believe there is a verbal battle between Leftists and Rightists, which uniquely defines the West in its era of peace, when talking counts for something, and the ability to wage war counts for nothing. The secret is the verbal tilt, which predominates on the Left. (East Asians are math-tilted, I believe)

    Left and Right endlessly fight a war of words, but L has more words, just as women have more words than men, so the Right's troops are outnumbered, always fleeing from the field, or being slain and routed, and each time, society becomes more progressive and more feminine. L emotes more than R, so L's emotions outnumber R's emotions, and win the battle of emotions, by which the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

    The trend we are on seemed an intractable situation because we are not able to change our verbal natures. Men remain more stoic than women, and they do not enjoy endlessly gabbing. (I suspect East Asian women babble less) But now, a lot of communication is text and emoji-based. It can be simulated, by machines. We can have Maxim guns of words and Congreve rockets of emotions, on social media. We can win - with bots.

    And they can steer our enemies into tracts of philosophy and introspection and make them give up the life of bugmen, and help redeem them by turning them instead to truth and beauty, by posting pictures of masterpieces, while simultaneously savaging modern art and architectural brutalism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Dmitry

    East Asians are math

    You think that because you do not speak Chinese, and Chinese find it difficult to speak non-Chinese languages (for example, they often do not speak with the past tense when they speak English).

    Chinese people are talkative among themselves, and their countries main historical contribution is in literacy, poetry and literature. (Of countries in East Asia, only Japan has independent achievements in mathematics e.g. Takakazu).

    steer our enemies into tracts of philosophy and introspection and make them give up the life of bugmen, and help redeem them by turning them instead to truth and beauty, by posting pictures of masterpieces

    I’m sure, most people who love and understand great art and music – are politically conventional liberals.

    In America, for example, New York Times is the main promoter of classical music.

    In the UK, the best writers in classical music are The Guardian. E.g. this excellent article about Schubert’s 8th.
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/tomserviceblog/2014/jan/14/symphony-guide-schubert-unfinished-tom-service

    And yet same The Guardian is the most crazy newspaper politically, and writes the better articles about Schubert than other newspapers in whole languages (like Russian).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry


    Chinese people are talkative among themselves, and their countries main historical contribution is in literacy, poetry and literature. (Of countries in East Asia, only Japan has independent achievements in mathematics e.g. Takakazu).
     
    There's some indication with IQ tests given in Asia that they have more of a math tilt. I don't know if it is true, in the average individual, and it is a small difference anyway - not enough to rob a people of poets, but still possibly enough to influence a society. I wonder particularly about the women. I would say that is quite likely that they speak much more than the average European male, but perhaps a little less than a European woman. That might lead to significant societal differences, all by itself. Anyway, it would be an interesting theory to test.

    I’m sure, most people who love and understand great art and music – are politically conventional liberals.
     
    Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell. I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because I think it stimulates the imagination about material science. (and I mostly think it is pretty ugly)

    In America, for example, New York Times is the main promoter of classical music
     
    I have known classical musicians. I would say radical politics are not uncommon - there has always been a strong Jewish connection, and I think there is a lot of status in being able to afford tickets and to dress up - it is a rich, urbanite thing. Probably more a high IQ thing.

    Replies: @Toronto Russian, @Dmitry, @Toronto Russian

  79. Interally a Hermit, Externally a Prince.

    Aaronb the old you was better,

    #BLM1488

  80. @AaronB
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Perhaps I should have said an inordinate will to power.

    A certain amount of mastery and power is surely necessary and important to live a good life. I don't see how one can dispense with it. We need to defend ourselves and have a certain level of mastery of the physical world in order to live.

    Its just these projects of extreme mastery and control. The SJW is striving for extreme domination over his human nature. He cannot accept his imperfection. He cannot accept he has an ego. Ultimately he cannot laugh at himself - he has no sense of humor. He comes from a long of line of monks and ascetics.

    And his counterpart on the Right, who seeks to dominate others, suffers from.the same defect.

    In the end we should be no better and no worse than what we are - just as nature made us. Be just as egotistical as you are - no less and no more.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    You seem to have an understanding of formal texts on this subject, which I don’t. I can therefore only describe my experiences in reply and apologise that they may not make any sense.

    If we take “the will to power” as a rough stand in for the ego, or simply your sense of perspective, and we roughly separate out “nature”/your unconscious or simply your sense of feeling, then we have a model for development.

    All humans are born as their sense of feeling. Babies just are, but they are also helpless.

    As we grow up, we learn to put our feelings into perspective; but gradually.

    This allows us to work and productively engage with the world.

    However, our perspective most often puts our feelings away, rather than looking at them with a welcoming gaze. This alienates us from ourselves even as we are empowered.

    Also, some people really struggle to develop their sense of perspective. It needs to be at least partially developed by your late teens, otherwise this is when various forms of psychosis manifest. Psychosis is a lack of self-insight. Women seem to struggle with this more than men and the rioters of the day seem to struggle with this a lot!

    Furthermore, psychosis is an extreme manifestation of someone having an underdeveloped sense of perspective, but compensatory megalomania, borderline personality disorder and all manner of unpleasantness can result. At the same time, individuals with this, may also exert a certain authentic magnetism. They are more raw. They live closer to a state of nature.

    Paradoxically, those with a more developed sense of perspective can be particularly attracted to this, as their alienation from their own sense of feeling can render them vulnerable to becoming co-dependent. In turn, they may appear somewhat golden to those with no perspective, as they will seem so self-assured and thoughtful. Or they may simply come across asunfeeling lizard people. Like mansplainers and libertarians.

    Anyway, as perspective grows, the individual has a greater and greater capacity for self-denial and thus for productivity. Life rewards them and the hedonic treadmill spins.

    That is, until it reaches a point of such self-suffocation that nothing carries meaning anymore and, either they find endless ways to distract themselves, or, their perspective sort of commits suicide. It does this by looking internally at their sense of feeling, which eventually looks back, and the feeling regenerates them and the two eventually coexist as one. This is a good but seemingly very unusual thing. Perhaps women find this bit easier too.

    In this way, your sense of perspective needs to develop to its fullest extent so that it can see the meaninglessness of reaching there, and only then will it be truly strong enough to turn inwards and just look. It basically needs to have no other choice. The scenario may need to be suicide or finding home. As dramatic as that sounds!

    And really, just looking is all that it needs to do, even if that is much easier said than actually done.

    I have no experience with meditation but I off-handedly believe that what I describe as “looking” is meditation. It is looking inward at oneself without judgement until there’s no more distance between what you are looking at and what you are.

    Indeed, I always thought that meditation was terribly boring until I did this. I also assumed that meditation was thinking of nothing, which maybe it is. But what I am describing is not boring at all. It is the perfect opposite of boring.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Not Only Wrathful


    In this way, your sense of perspective needs to develop to its fullest extent so that it can see the meaninglessness of reaching there, and only then will it be truly strong enough to turn inwards and just look. It basically needs to have no other choice. The scenario may need to be suicide or finding home. As dramatic as that sounds!

    And really, just looking is all that it needs to do, even if that is much easier said than actually done.

    I have no experience with meditation but I off-handedly believe that what I describe as “looking” is meditation. It is looking inward at oneself without judgement until there’s no more distance between what you are looking at and what you are.
     

    Some would say that what you have described is very close to Zen.

    It starts with mindfulness.

    I think your whole comment is very insightful.

    , @AaronB
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Good comment in general.

    By "perspective" I take it to mean the larger vision that allows you see see past the boundaries of your little self and to see the "grand scheme of things". The "perspective of eternity" so to speak. I agree this is crucial to mental health, and to a sense of peace, calm, and acceptance, and joy, and a lack of this perspective leads to extreme stress, anxiety, and to psychosis and psychopathic behavior of all kinds.


    In this way, your sense of perspective needs to develop to its fullest extent so that it can see the meaninglessness of reaching there, and only then will it be truly strong enough to turn inwards and just look. It basically needs to have no other choice. The scenario may need to be suicide or finding home. As dramatic as that sounds!
     
    Very well said. One must try all avenues before you realize you never had to get anywhere. It was right there all along. I believe this is the true purpose of all spiritual practice - try everything, only to realize you always had what you needed.

    I take your point about mindfulness - however, I am not sure it makes sense as a strenuous practice, as its often presented. Rather, once you drop all your future plans because you realize there is nowhere to "get" to, and life is fulfilled in each moment, then what rise is there to do but just look? Just savor the moment?

    In other words, it's a symptom of realizing you are already where you need to be.

  81. Karlin, I want you to take your hand and give yourself 3 pats on the back.

    Trolling is a lost art and trolls are by far the most oppressed people on the face of the Earth.

    #TrollLivesMatter

  82. @Dmitry
    @songbird


    East Asians are math
     
    You think that because you do not speak Chinese, and Chinese find it difficult to speak non-Chinese languages (for example, they often do not speak with the past tense when they speak English).

    Chinese people are talkative among themselves, and their countries main historical contribution is in literacy, poetry and literature. (Of countries in East Asia, only Japan has independent achievements in mathematics e.g. Takakazu).

    steer our enemies into tracts of philosophy and introspection and make them give up the life of bugmen, and help redeem them by turning them instead to truth and beauty, by posting pictures of masterpieces
     
    I'm sure, most people who love and understand great art and music - are politically conventional liberals.

    In America, for example, New York Times is the main promoter of classical music.

    In the UK, the best writers in classical music are The Guardian. E.g. this excellent article about Schubert's 8th.
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/tomserviceblog/2014/jan/14/symphony-guide-schubert-unfinished-tom-service

    And yet same The Guardian is the most crazy newspaper politically, and writes the better articles about Schubert than other newspapers in whole languages (like Russian).

    Replies: @songbird

    Chinese people are talkative among themselves, and their countries main historical contribution is in literacy, poetry and literature. (Of countries in East Asia, only Japan has independent achievements in mathematics e.g. Takakazu).

    There’s some indication with IQ tests given in Asia that they have more of a math tilt. I don’t know if it is true, in the average individual, and it is a small difference anyway – not enough to rob a people of poets, but still possibly enough to influence a society. I wonder particularly about the women. I would say that is quite likely that they speak much more than the average European male, but perhaps a little less than a European woman. That might lead to significant societal differences, all by itself. Anyway, it would be an interesting theory to test.

    I’m sure, most people who love and understand great art and music – are politically conventional liberals.

    Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell. I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because I think it stimulates the imagination about material science. (and I mostly think it is pretty ugly)

    In America, for example, New York Times is the main promoter of classical music

    I have known classical musicians. I would say radical politics are not uncommon – there has always been a strong Jewish connection, and I think there is a lot of status in being able to afford tickets and to dress up – it is a rich, urbanite thing. Probably more a high IQ thing.

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
    @songbird


    Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell.
     
    Abstract art was taken seriously 100 years ago (The Black Square by Malevich was made in 1915); now it's a blatant money laundering trick for the super rich, and people know. The living, popular modern art is 99% figurative, as can be seen from up

    https://www.deviantart.com/getdailydeviations/gallery/24385852/accepted-suggestions
    , @Dmitry
    @songbird


    more of a math tilt

     

    Aside from some impressive schools of mathematicians in late-medieval or Early Modern Japan, there is not much history of new development, or evidence of an emphasis of maths in East Asia.

    Something about historical Chinese cultural achievement (before the unfortunate for them 20th century), is a equivalent of what in European is called "Renaissance man" cultivation, with emphasis in literature, poetry, music, painting.

    a little less than a European woman
     
    I've never been in China, but my limited experience of following around groups of Chinese tourists - they are very talkative and loud speaking among themselves. (i.e. Maybe not at extreme Italian/Spanish levels, but Chinese are not a quiet people).

    If Chinese in America, are speaking less, I assume because they are not in their native language.

    when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell. I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because

     

    But interest in modern art will be most correlated with interest in traditional art, and vice-versa. Notice they are the same people in the different parts of the art gallery.

    There are not two separate sets of people in the art galleries. There is not one type of people in the 17th century gallery, and another type of people in the 20th century art gallery. It's the same people.

    I have known classical musicians. I would say radical politics are not uncommon – there has always been a strong Jewish connection,
     
    Most overrepresented profession in the world by Jews, must surely be the classical music soloist, and also conductors.

    E.g. Choosing between performers in Romantic repertoire, perhaps Soviet-trained Jews - e.g. Vengerov, Kissin, Ashkenazy - are the competitors of the Argentinian Jews - e.g. Barenboim, Argerich, etc.

    Or that in Bach interpretation on piano, the two rival approaches arguing about in the forums at the moment are Andras Schiff (Jewish from Hungary), against Murray Perahia (Jewish from America). https://www.talkclassical.com/62838-bach-schiff-vs-perahia.html

    I was thinking about how good Budapest must be for music, with its Festival Orchestra - its conductor Ivan Fischer is Jewish, and so is the conductor of Budapest Philharmonic Orchestra.

    However, this is a small number of people. Most of the classical music fans are obviously not Jewish, and neither are most of the non-soloist classical music performers.

    -

    In the younger generation of geniuses in Russian piano, they are not Jewish.

    Fans of Two Set Violin, are clearly just normal Americans who play in the band in their school.

    And the young performers are now dominated by Chinese.

    Chinese overrepresentation of young musicians seems so much, that I was surprised the candidates that enter competitions with anglosaxon names from Texas, look like undercover Chinese.

    https://twitter.com/MenuhinComp/status/1237438227130322945

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Toronto Russian
    @songbird


    I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because I think it stimulates the imagination about material science. (and I mostly think it is pretty ugly)
     
    I have no thoughts on the Cloud Gate, other than without constant and difficult maintenance its shine will fade quickly. But statues are the hardest kind of art to make realistic and tasteful in our time. Here are two General Patton monuments made in Czechia in 2015. The realist one was initially accepted, but a scandal with the sculptor who had been a snitch in Communist times lead to its rejection and installation in a small village that agreed to take it.
    https://g.denik.cz/46/c9/patton-dysina_galerie-980.jpg

    https://ceskacenazaarchitekturu.cz/app/uploads/2016/04/10-před-křižovatku-za-provozuNVmC9u5w1460749079-1341x1980.jpg

    Equally hideous, I think. The realist one is stiff like a mannequin, seemingly wears unfitted uniform (I know the breaches are designed to be like that, but his sleeves are too big and the middle too tight), and the face is blank. New Russian monuments are also cursed with stiff poses, lazy cloth folds/textures and empty facial expressions.
    Here's a roundup of them, with classic statues for comparison. It's just sad.
    https://shakko-kitsune.livejournal.com/1181152.html

    I don't know why this critical loss of skill occurred (even in a country with uninterrupted academic tradition), but there needs to be a lot of hard re-learning and long practice before realist sculptors again make something that deserves to be put outside.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  83. @AaronB
    @songbird

    You're treating it as a technical communication problem, which I think is a superficial aspect of it.

    Replies: @songbird

    Progressives may not be counting words, but they intuitively recognize the importance of them.

  84. @Not Only Wrathful
    @AaronB

    You seem to have an understanding of formal texts on this subject, which I don't. I can therefore only describe my experiences in reply and apologise that they may not make any sense.

    If we take "the will to power" as a rough stand in for the ego, or simply your sense of perspective, and we roughly separate out "nature"/your unconscious or simply your sense of feeling, then we have a model for development.

    All humans are born as their sense of feeling. Babies just are, but they are also helpless.

    As we grow up, we learn to put our feelings into perspective; but gradually.

    This allows us to work and productively engage with the world.

    However, our perspective most often puts our feelings away, rather than looking at them with a welcoming gaze. This alienates us from ourselves even as we are empowered.

    Also, some people really struggle to develop their sense of perspective. It needs to be at least partially developed by your late teens, otherwise this is when various forms of psychosis manifest. Psychosis is a lack of self-insight. Women seem to struggle with this more than men and the rioters of the day seem to struggle with this a lot!

    Furthermore, psychosis is an extreme manifestation of someone having an underdeveloped sense of perspective, but compensatory megalomania, borderline personality disorder and all manner of unpleasantness can result. At the same time, individuals with this, may also exert a certain authentic magnetism. They are more raw. They live closer to a state of nature.

    Paradoxically, those with a more developed sense of perspective can be particularly attracted to this, as their alienation from their own sense of feeling can render them vulnerable to becoming co-dependent. In turn, they may appear somewhat golden to those with no perspective, as they will seem so self-assured and thoughtful. Or they may simply come across asunfeeling lizard people. Like mansplainers and libertarians.

    Anyway, as perspective grows, the individual has a greater and greater capacity for self-denial and thus for productivity. Life rewards them and the hedonic treadmill spins.

    That is, until it reaches a point of such self-suffocation that nothing carries meaning anymore and, either they find endless ways to distract themselves, or, their perspective sort of commits suicide. It does this by looking internally at their sense of feeling, which eventually looks back, and the feeling regenerates them and the two eventually coexist as one. This is a good but seemingly very unusual thing. Perhaps women find this bit easier too.

    In this way, your sense of perspective needs to develop to its fullest extent so that it can see the meaninglessness of reaching there, and only then will it be truly strong enough to turn inwards and just look. It basically needs to have no other choice. The scenario may need to be suicide or finding home. As dramatic as that sounds!

    And really, just looking is all that it needs to do, even if that is much easier said than actually done.

    I have no experience with meditation but I off-handedly believe that what I describe as "looking" is meditation. It is looking inward at oneself without judgement until there's no more distance between what you are looking at and what you are.

    Indeed, I always thought that meditation was terribly boring until I did this. I also assumed that meditation was thinking of nothing, which maybe it is. But what I am describing is not boring at all. It is the perfect opposite of boring.

    Replies: @Ano4, @AaronB

    In this way, your sense of perspective needs to develop to its fullest extent so that it can see the meaninglessness of reaching there, and only then will it be truly strong enough to turn inwards and just look. It basically needs to have no other choice. The scenario may need to be suicide or finding home. As dramatic as that sounds!

    And really, just looking is all that it needs to do, even if that is much easier said than actually done.

    I have no experience with meditation but I off-handedly believe that what I describe as “looking” is meditation. It is looking inward at oneself without judgement until there’s no more distance between what you are looking at and what you are.

    Some would say that what you have described is very close to Zen.

    It starts with mindfulness.

    I think your whole comment is very insightful.

    • Thanks: Not Only Wrathful
  85. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    Chinese people are talkative among themselves, and their countries main historical contribution is in literacy, poetry and literature. (Of countries in East Asia, only Japan has independent achievements in mathematics e.g. Takakazu).
     
    There's some indication with IQ tests given in Asia that they have more of a math tilt. I don't know if it is true, in the average individual, and it is a small difference anyway - not enough to rob a people of poets, but still possibly enough to influence a society. I wonder particularly about the women. I would say that is quite likely that they speak much more than the average European male, but perhaps a little less than a European woman. That might lead to significant societal differences, all by itself. Anyway, it would be an interesting theory to test.

    I’m sure, most people who love and understand great art and music – are politically conventional liberals.
     
    Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell. I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because I think it stimulates the imagination about material science. (and I mostly think it is pretty ugly)

    In America, for example, New York Times is the main promoter of classical music
     
    I have known classical musicians. I would say radical politics are not uncommon - there has always been a strong Jewish connection, and I think there is a lot of status in being able to afford tickets and to dress up - it is a rich, urbanite thing. Probably more a high IQ thing.

    Replies: @Toronto Russian, @Dmitry, @Toronto Russian

    Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell.

    Abstract art was taken seriously 100 years ago (The Black Square by Malevich was made in 1915); now it’s a blatant money laundering trick for the super rich, and people know. The living, popular modern art is 99% figurative, as can be seen from up

    https://www.deviantart.com/getdailydeviations/gallery/24385852/accepted-suggestions

  86. @another anon

    The other day, Russian libertarians launched a #RussianLivesMatter action today in response to a police shooting.

     

    Why is campaign against Russian police shooting of Russians in Russia in English?
    Do they imagine that anyone in the world cares about Russian lives?
    Do they want Donald Trump or Barack Obama retweet the tag and demand strong action against bloodthirsty Putinist murderers?

    This is just like color revolution 101, where spontanaous protestors always show up with professionally designed signs in English.

    The SJW's are 100% right to call it fake, because it is.

    Pro tip – conceal power level until it’s time to pounce!
     
    LOL. Bashkirian non-binary lesbian is still here. Keep "pouncing".

    https://twitter.com/witchkoven/with_replies

    Instead of wasting your time on twitter (where 90% of participants are bots) and boasting about such hollow "victory", spread the word that Russians were prime targets of European slavery and genocide at least since 1240.
    If you think that everything was hunky dory until 1917 you are mistaken.

    https://medium.com/the-history-buff/slavery-in-medieval-italy-cb189ae45933

    In the late 1360s, Francesco Petrarch was living in Venice where he could see the unloading of cargo from Venetian merchant galleys and commented (with unfortunate racism):

    ‘Whereas huge shipments of grain used to arrive by ship annually in this city, now they arrive laden with slaves, sold by their wretched families to alleviate their hunger. An unusually large and countless crowd of slaves of both sexes has afflicted this city with deformed Scythian faces, just like when a muddy current destroys the brilliance of a clear one.’
     
    Italian "renaissance" was built by Russian slave labor.

    Demand APOLOGY and REPARATIONS.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Perhaps Venice should be given to Russia as reparations.

  87. Brave New World

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @melanf

    It's nothing new in this video - in America there are often riots like this happening. In the past, they look a lot worse, with lots of people killed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Chicago_West_Side_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Philadelphia_race_riot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_riot_of_1964
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots_of_1967
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot

    -

    Even just walking as a tourist in the streets in American cities, you know it's a bit of an unstable urban situation (from the crazy people, homeless, etc).

    "Problems of urban life" in American cities, are often quite independent from the standard of living of the bourgeoisie, because they do not use public transport or walk in the city. I guess I walk more in the city streets, when I visited California for less than three weeks vacation, than most residents will in a year.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @melanf

  88. Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell.

    Abstract art was taken seriously 100 years ago (The Black Square by Malevich was made in 1915); now it’s a blatant money laundering trick for the super rich, and people know. The living modern art that resonates with the public is 99% figurative, as can be seen from the “best” pages on DeviantArt.
    https://www.deviantart.com/getdailydeviations/gallery/24385852/accepted-suggestions

    Its Asian sister Pixiv is like that, but with more manga-style images. Tumblr has a lot of weird “gender queer” characters, but it’s still recognizable characters, not collections of squares.

    It’s not just fan art, there are museum-grade professional realist painters.
    And animation artists learn a lot of realist drawing and painting before they can stylize.
    We live in an age of realist art renaissance, prominent museums are just too conservative (lol) and invested in money laundering tricks to accept it yet.

    (Sorry, the #85 comment was accidentally sent incomplete, please remove it).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Toronto Russian


    Abstract art was taken seriously 100 years ago (The Black Square
     
    It was just an internal logic of the painting/drawing profession.

    After technological improvements in photography kills a large part of painting's raison d'être (to memorialize our visual experience of reality), then painting has to move to abstraction.

    Photography pushes out the purpose of the figurative part of painting, so artists are desperately trying to do things which photography cannot: - e.g. cubism, representing multiple perspectives at the same time.

    But experiments like cubism to combine perspective and movement, are soon only a poor version of what film (moving picture) can achieve.

    Malevich in 1915 was parody the logical end of his profession's post-photography trend - a black screen. This around the time the first cinemas are opening in Europe. (E.g. First cinema in Petrograd - 1913)

    After people really have to think what can painting achieve, that is not possible in photography and film. Although I think the profession has achieved most only in animation of the last century. (Something about animation though is the best ones - like Grave of the Fireflies - can be often far from the best one artistically; although some scenes in anime like Akira can be more interesting than modern paintings).

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

  89. @Not Only Wrathful
    @AaronB

    You seem to have an understanding of formal texts on this subject, which I don't. I can therefore only describe my experiences in reply and apologise that they may not make any sense.

    If we take "the will to power" as a rough stand in for the ego, or simply your sense of perspective, and we roughly separate out "nature"/your unconscious or simply your sense of feeling, then we have a model for development.

    All humans are born as their sense of feeling. Babies just are, but they are also helpless.

    As we grow up, we learn to put our feelings into perspective; but gradually.

    This allows us to work and productively engage with the world.

    However, our perspective most often puts our feelings away, rather than looking at them with a welcoming gaze. This alienates us from ourselves even as we are empowered.

    Also, some people really struggle to develop their sense of perspective. It needs to be at least partially developed by your late teens, otherwise this is when various forms of psychosis manifest. Psychosis is a lack of self-insight. Women seem to struggle with this more than men and the rioters of the day seem to struggle with this a lot!

    Furthermore, psychosis is an extreme manifestation of someone having an underdeveloped sense of perspective, but compensatory megalomania, borderline personality disorder and all manner of unpleasantness can result. At the same time, individuals with this, may also exert a certain authentic magnetism. They are more raw. They live closer to a state of nature.

    Paradoxically, those with a more developed sense of perspective can be particularly attracted to this, as their alienation from their own sense of feeling can render them vulnerable to becoming co-dependent. In turn, they may appear somewhat golden to those with no perspective, as they will seem so self-assured and thoughtful. Or they may simply come across asunfeeling lizard people. Like mansplainers and libertarians.

    Anyway, as perspective grows, the individual has a greater and greater capacity for self-denial and thus for productivity. Life rewards them and the hedonic treadmill spins.

    That is, until it reaches a point of such self-suffocation that nothing carries meaning anymore and, either they find endless ways to distract themselves, or, their perspective sort of commits suicide. It does this by looking internally at their sense of feeling, which eventually looks back, and the feeling regenerates them and the two eventually coexist as one. This is a good but seemingly very unusual thing. Perhaps women find this bit easier too.

    In this way, your sense of perspective needs to develop to its fullest extent so that it can see the meaninglessness of reaching there, and only then will it be truly strong enough to turn inwards and just look. It basically needs to have no other choice. The scenario may need to be suicide or finding home. As dramatic as that sounds!

    And really, just looking is all that it needs to do, even if that is much easier said than actually done.

    I have no experience with meditation but I off-handedly believe that what I describe as "looking" is meditation. It is looking inward at oneself without judgement until there's no more distance between what you are looking at and what you are.

    Indeed, I always thought that meditation was terribly boring until I did this. I also assumed that meditation was thinking of nothing, which maybe it is. But what I am describing is not boring at all. It is the perfect opposite of boring.

    Replies: @Ano4, @AaronB

    Good comment in general.

    By “perspective” I take it to mean the larger vision that allows you see see past the boundaries of your little self and to see the “grand scheme of things”. The “perspective of eternity” so to speak. I agree this is crucial to mental health, and to a sense of peace, calm, and acceptance, and joy, and a lack of this perspective leads to extreme stress, anxiety, and to psychosis and psychopathic behavior of all kinds.

    In this way, your sense of perspective needs to develop to its fullest extent so that it can see the meaninglessness of reaching there, and only then will it be truly strong enough to turn inwards and just look. It basically needs to have no other choice. The scenario may need to be suicide or finding home. As dramatic as that sounds!

    Very well said. One must try all avenues before you realize you never had to get anywhere. It was right there all along. I believe this is the true purpose of all spiritual practice – try everything, only to realize you always had what you needed.

    I take your point about mindfulness – however, I am not sure it makes sense as a strenuous practice, as its often presented. Rather, once you drop all your future plans because you realize there is nowhere to “get” to, and life is fulfilled in each moment, then what rise is there to do but just look? Just savor the moment?

    In other words, it’s a symptom of realizing you are already where you need to be.

    • Agree: Not Only Wrathful
  90. @melanf
    Brave New World
    https://youtu.be/YX7Jyg8f2B4

    Replies: @Dmitry

    It’s nothing new in this video – in America there are often riots like this happening. In the past, they look a lot worse, with lots of people killed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Chicago_West_Side_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Philadelphia_race_riot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_riot_of_1964
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots_of_1967
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot

    Even just walking as a tourist in the streets in American cities, you know it’s a bit of an unstable urban situation (from the crazy people, homeless, etc).

    “Problems of urban life” in American cities, are often quite independent from the standard of living of the bourgeoisie, because they do not use public transport or walk in the city. I guess I walk more in the city streets, when I visited California for less than three weeks vacation, than most residents will in a year.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Dmitry

    This is a lot worse than normal.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @melanf
    @Dmitry


    It’s nothing new in this video
     
    In the past, instead of quelling pogroms, America has committed coutou to looters?

    Of course, today's pogroms will soon end, but the bandits will remember how they were the masters of the country, so until tough measures are taken ,the "fight against racism" will go on increasing

    Replies: @Dmitry

  91. @Toronto Russian

    Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell.
     
    Abstract art was taken seriously 100 years ago (The Black Square by Malevich was made in 1915); now it's a blatant money laundering trick for the super rich, and people know. The living modern art that resonates with the public is 99% figurative, as can be seen from the "best" pages on DeviantArt.
    https://www.deviantart.com/getdailydeviations/gallery/24385852/accepted-suggestions

    Its Asian sister Pixiv is like that, but with more manga-style images. Tumblr has a lot of weird "gender queer" characters, but it's still recognizable characters, not collections of squares.

    It's not just fan art, there are museum-grade professional realist painters.
    https://sun9-60.userapi.com/c852020/v852020197/74ee5/EUd888yKCzY.jpg

    http://www.theonering.net/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/gondolin-donato.jpg

    And animation artists learn a lot of realist drawing and painting before they can stylize.
    https://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2019/09/frozen-2-visual-development.jpg

    We live in an age of realist art renaissance, prominent museums are just too conservative (lol) and invested in money laundering tricks to accept it yet.

    (Sorry, the #85 comment was accidentally sent incomplete, please remove it).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Abstract art was taken seriously 100 years ago (The Black Square

    It was just an internal logic of the painting/drawing profession.

    After technological improvements in photography kills a large part of painting’s raison d’être (to memorialize our visual experience of reality), then painting has to move to abstraction.

    Photography pushes out the purpose of the figurative part of painting, so artists are desperately trying to do things which photography cannot: – e.g. cubism, representing multiple perspectives at the same time.

    But experiments like cubism to combine perspective and movement, are soon only a poor version of what film (moving picture) can achieve.

    Malevich in 1915 was parody the logical end of his profession’s post-photography trend – a black screen. This around the time the first cinemas are opening in Europe. (E.g. First cinema in Petrograd – 1913)

    After people really have to think what can painting achieve, that is not possible in photography and film. Although I think the profession has achieved most only in animation of the last century. (Something about animation though is the best ones – like Grave of the Fireflies – can be often far from the best one artistically; although some scenes in anime like Akira can be more interesting than modern paintings).

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
    @Dmitry


    After technological improvements in photography kills a large part of painting’s raison d’être (to memorialize our visual experience of reality), then painting has to move to abstraction.
     
    That was certainly the experience at the moment. Commercial art like Vogue covers became more and more experimental in the 20s and 30s, playing with abstraction until color photography became high-end enough to be printed on a cover (and replaced graphics forever).
    https://i.etsystatic.com/6958393/r/il/64673c/458370571/il_570xN.458370571_syrv.jpg

    But the photography world then became oversaturated and its average level of talent declined (as photo equipment reached the widest masses). It showed its limitations that figurative art could exploit, like presenting fantastic objects and combinations that don't look fake ("shopped"). Here comes Salvador Dali on the high-culture side and the pin-up on the commercial side. Pin-up artists painted from actual photos of pretty girls, the difference was they added imaginative elements and dynamic.
    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1jH.WQFXXXXXZXXXXq6xXFXXXl/Sexy-Fishing-Girl-Pop-Art-Pin-Up-Vintage-Poster-Classic-Retro-Kraft-Decorative-Map-Wall-Canvas.jpg

    And then video games made elaborate graphic art necessary, picturing worlds that don't exist but have to feel realistic to the player.
    http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/galerie/280/A1404V_05.jpg

    Someone who loves modern art may as well mean they love (apolitical) game concept graphics or Mo Dao Zu Shi fan art, which they're probably exposed to much more than (leftist) contemporary art.

    Replies: @melanf, @Dmitry

  92. @Dmitry
    @melanf

    It's nothing new in this video - in America there are often riots like this happening. In the past, they look a lot worse, with lots of people killed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Chicago_West_Side_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Philadelphia_race_riot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_riot_of_1964
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots_of_1967
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot

    -

    Even just walking as a tourist in the streets in American cities, you know it's a bit of an unstable urban situation (from the crazy people, homeless, etc).

    "Problems of urban life" in American cities, are often quite independent from the standard of living of the bourgeoisie, because they do not use public transport or walk in the city. I guess I walk more in the city streets, when I visited California for less than three weeks vacation, than most residents will in a year.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @melanf

    This is a lot worse than normal.

    • Disagree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Daniel Chieh

    Folkloric American street traditions
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHvwOLZbtA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qBteLFNws

  93. @Daniel Chieh
    @Dmitry

    This is a lot worse than normal.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Folkloric American street traditions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qBteLFNws

  94. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    Chinese people are talkative among themselves, and their countries main historical contribution is in literacy, poetry and literature. (Of countries in East Asia, only Japan has independent achievements in mathematics e.g. Takakazu).
     
    There's some indication with IQ tests given in Asia that they have more of a math tilt. I don't know if it is true, in the average individual, and it is a small difference anyway - not enough to rob a people of poets, but still possibly enough to influence a society. I wonder particularly about the women. I would say that is quite likely that they speak much more than the average European male, but perhaps a little less than a European woman. That might lead to significant societal differences, all by itself. Anyway, it would be an interesting theory to test.

    I’m sure, most people who love and understand great art and music – are politically conventional liberals.
     
    Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell. I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because I think it stimulates the imagination about material science. (and I mostly think it is pretty ugly)

    In America, for example, New York Times is the main promoter of classical music
     
    I have known classical musicians. I would say radical politics are not uncommon - there has always been a strong Jewish connection, and I think there is a lot of status in being able to afford tickets and to dress up - it is a rich, urbanite thing. Probably more a high IQ thing.

    Replies: @Toronto Russian, @Dmitry, @Toronto Russian

    more of a math tilt

    Aside from some impressive schools of mathematicians in late-medieval or Early Modern Japan, there is not much history of new development, or evidence of an emphasis of maths in East Asia.

    Something about historical Chinese cultural achievement (before the unfortunate for them 20th century), is a equivalent of what in European is called “Renaissance man” cultivation, with emphasis in literature, poetry, music, painting.

    a little less than a European woman

    I’ve never been in China, but my limited experience of following around groups of Chinese tourists – they are very talkative and loud speaking among themselves. (i.e. Maybe not at extreme Italian/Spanish levels, but Chinese are not a quiet people).

    If Chinese in America, are speaking less, I assume because they are not in their native language.

    when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell. I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because

    But interest in modern art will be most correlated with interest in traditional art, and vice-versa. Notice they are the same people in the different parts of the art gallery.

    There are not two separate sets of people in the art galleries. There is not one type of people in the 17th century gallery, and another type of people in the 20th century art gallery. It’s the same people.

    I have known classical musicians. I would say radical politics are not uncommon – there has always been a strong Jewish connection,

    Most overrepresented profession in the world by Jews, must surely be the classical music soloist, and also conductors.

    E.g. Choosing between performers in Romantic repertoire, perhaps Soviet-trained Jews – e.g. Vengerov, Kissin, Ashkenazy – are the competitors of the Argentinian Jews – e.g. Barenboim, Argerich, etc.

    Or that in Bach interpretation on piano, the two rival approaches arguing about in the forums at the moment are Andras Schiff (Jewish from Hungary), against Murray Perahia (Jewish from America). https://www.talkclassical.com/62838-bach-schiff-vs-perahia.html

    I was thinking about how good Budapest must be for music, with its Festival Orchestra – its conductor Ivan Fischer is Jewish, and so is the conductor of Budapest Philharmonic Orchestra.

    However, this is a small number of people. Most of the classical music fans are obviously not Jewish, and neither are most of the non-soloist classical music performers.

    In the younger generation of geniuses in Russian piano, they are not Jewish.

    Fans of Two Set Violin, are clearly just normal Americans who play in the band in their school.

    And the young performers are now dominated by Chinese.

    Chinese overrepresentation of young musicians seems so much, that I was surprised the candidates that enter competitions with anglosaxon names from Texas, look like undercover Chinese.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Traditional Chinese culture is very verbal oriented, but this flies in the face of HBD so few people here will accept that.

    Chinese culture also has a strong traditional anti-technology streak and pro-nature orientation - but again, flies in the face of observed Chinese behavior today so will not be accepted by the HBD set.

    Oh well.

    And yes, very loud and talkative people, even here in N.Y. But since most HBD people base their perceptions on Chinese in universities and not a representative sample, they won't accept that either.

    Its like if all you ever met were the extremely soft spoken, gentle, upper class English gentlemen type, and then were shocked to meet chavs.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  95. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    Chinese people are talkative among themselves, and their countries main historical contribution is in literacy, poetry and literature. (Of countries in East Asia, only Japan has independent achievements in mathematics e.g. Takakazu).
     
    There's some indication with IQ tests given in Asia that they have more of a math tilt. I don't know if it is true, in the average individual, and it is a small difference anyway - not enough to rob a people of poets, but still possibly enough to influence a society. I wonder particularly about the women. I would say that is quite likely that they speak much more than the average European male, but perhaps a little less than a European woman. That might lead to significant societal differences, all by itself. Anyway, it would be an interesting theory to test.

    I’m sure, most people who love and understand great art and music – are politically conventional liberals.
     
    Possibly true of music, likely true of literature and film. But when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell. I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because I think it stimulates the imagination about material science. (and I mostly think it is pretty ugly)

    In America, for example, New York Times is the main promoter of classical music
     
    I have known classical musicians. I would say radical politics are not uncommon - there has always been a strong Jewish connection, and I think there is a lot of status in being able to afford tickets and to dress up - it is a rich, urbanite thing. Probably more a high IQ thing.

    Replies: @Toronto Russian, @Dmitry, @Toronto Russian

    I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because I think it stimulates the imagination about material science. (and I mostly think it is pretty ugly)

    I have no thoughts on the Cloud Gate, other than without constant and difficult maintenance its shine will fade quickly. But statues are the hardest kind of art to make realistic and tasteful in our time. Here are two General Patton monuments made in Czechia in 2015. The realist one was initially accepted, but a scandal with the sculptor who had been a snitch in Communist times lead to its rejection and installation in a small village that agreed to take it.

    Equally hideous, I think. The realist one is stiff like a mannequin, seemingly wears unfitted uniform (I know the breaches are designed to be like that, but his sleeves are too big and the middle too tight), and the face is blank. New Russian monuments are also cursed with stiff poses, lazy cloth folds/textures and empty facial expressions.
    Here’s a roundup of them, with classic statues for comparison. It’s just sad.
    https://shakko-kitsune.livejournal.com/1181152.html

    I don’t know why this critical loss of skill occurred (even in a country with uninterrupted academic tradition), but there needs to be a lot of hard re-learning and long practice before realist sculptors again make something that deserves to be put outside.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Toronto Russian

    Lol in the Japanese version.

    1930s sculptures in Tokyo.

    https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47763612492_fa40697319_b.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/KDdAoYP.jpg

    Contemporary series of Japanese sculpture.

    https://i.imgur.com/wrAnj1i.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/Kg0oBMd.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/GTJfOsl.jpg

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

  96. @Dmitry
    @melanf

    It's nothing new in this video - in America there are often riots like this happening. In the past, they look a lot worse, with lots of people killed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Chicago_West_Side_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Philadelphia_race_riot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_riot_of_1964
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riots_of_1967
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot

    -

    Even just walking as a tourist in the streets in American cities, you know it's a bit of an unstable urban situation (from the crazy people, homeless, etc).

    "Problems of urban life" in American cities, are often quite independent from the standard of living of the bourgeoisie, because they do not use public transport or walk in the city. I guess I walk more in the city streets, when I visited California for less than three weeks vacation, than most residents will in a year.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @melanf

    It’s nothing new in this video

    In the past, instead of quelling pogroms, America has committed coutou to looters?

    Of course, today’s pogroms will soon end, but the bandits will remember how they were the masters of the country, so until tough measures are taken ,the “fight against racism” will go on increasing

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @melanf


    but the bandits will remember how they were the masters of the country
     
    In general, America is probably the world's leading chekistan.

    More likely, rather than being masters of anything - these looters are just having some fun in between their life in prison.

    https://i.imgur.com/9fMsasG.png


    so until tough measures are taken
     
    Not many countries have more "tough measures" than in America. I don't think increasing the level of the tough measures there will help the situation much.

    -

    What is it like when certain types of American policemen, want to take ordinary civilians from the hotel room.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc

  97. @Dmitry
    @songbird


    more of a math tilt

     

    Aside from some impressive schools of mathematicians in late-medieval or Early Modern Japan, there is not much history of new development, or evidence of an emphasis of maths in East Asia.

    Something about historical Chinese cultural achievement (before the unfortunate for them 20th century), is a equivalent of what in European is called "Renaissance man" cultivation, with emphasis in literature, poetry, music, painting.

    a little less than a European woman
     
    I've never been in China, but my limited experience of following around groups of Chinese tourists - they are very talkative and loud speaking among themselves. (i.e. Maybe not at extreme Italian/Spanish levels, but Chinese are not a quiet people).

    If Chinese in America, are speaking less, I assume because they are not in their native language.

    when one says they like modern art, that is a pretty strong political tell. I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because

     

    But interest in modern art will be most correlated with interest in traditional art, and vice-versa. Notice they are the same people in the different parts of the art gallery.

    There are not two separate sets of people in the art galleries. There is not one type of people in the 17th century gallery, and another type of people in the 20th century art gallery. It's the same people.

    I have known classical musicians. I would say radical politics are not uncommon – there has always been a strong Jewish connection,
     
    Most overrepresented profession in the world by Jews, must surely be the classical music soloist, and also conductors.

    E.g. Choosing between performers in Romantic repertoire, perhaps Soviet-trained Jews - e.g. Vengerov, Kissin, Ashkenazy - are the competitors of the Argentinian Jews - e.g. Barenboim, Argerich, etc.

    Or that in Bach interpretation on piano, the two rival approaches arguing about in the forums at the moment are Andras Schiff (Jewish from Hungary), against Murray Perahia (Jewish from America). https://www.talkclassical.com/62838-bach-schiff-vs-perahia.html

    I was thinking about how good Budapest must be for music, with its Festival Orchestra - its conductor Ivan Fischer is Jewish, and so is the conductor of Budapest Philharmonic Orchestra.

    However, this is a small number of people. Most of the classical music fans are obviously not Jewish, and neither are most of the non-soloist classical music performers.

    -

    In the younger generation of geniuses in Russian piano, they are not Jewish.

    Fans of Two Set Violin, are clearly just normal Americans who play in the band in their school.

    And the young performers are now dominated by Chinese.

    Chinese overrepresentation of young musicians seems so much, that I was surprised the candidates that enter competitions with anglosaxon names from Texas, look like undercover Chinese.

    https://twitter.com/MenuhinComp/status/1237438227130322945

    Replies: @AaronB

    Traditional Chinese culture is very verbal oriented, but this flies in the face of HBD so few people here will accept that.

    Chinese culture also has a strong traditional anti-technology streak and pro-nature orientation – but again, flies in the face of observed Chinese behavior today so will not be accepted by the HBD set.

    Oh well.

    And yes, very loud and talkative people, even here in N.Y. But since most HBD people base their perceptions on Chinese in universities and not a representative sample, they won’t accept that either.

    Its like if all you ever met were the extremely soft spoken, gentle, upper class English gentlemen type, and then were shocked to meet chavs.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Chinese culture is very verbal
     
    Part of the perception, is because of the nature of immigration from a non-European language.

    "Quantitative tests" - as in GRE test - is relatively easy and accessible for people from any kind of background, although they will need to pay for some coaching in understanding the test format (including trick questions).

    So you should need to pay for a course - but with such a course, people of non-European nationalities can be coached to pass the "Quantitative GRE".

    On the other hand, GRE Verbal, requires immersion (including a reading ability) in a European language for years.

    So, I was laughing about how easy the GRE Verbal is (how can they test Americans with this?). However, I have a life of immersion in words of Latin and Greek origination.

    For a Chinese or Japanese person - who does not have experience with Latin and Greek originating vocabulary - then GRE Verbal exam is probably very difficult, and would require them to be immersed in European languages for some years, before they will score high.


    Chinese culture also has a strong traditional anti-technology

     

    China's current government (Communist Party of China) promotes an ideology at least nominally based in Marxism–Leninism - so it should promote technology and science as part of the official ideology.

    Marxism is an Enlightenment ideology, while Lenin viewed promoting science and technology as a state religion.

    -
    So, we can probably see an official attitude to technology with China's government which is a little analogous to its worship in the Soviet Union. Of course China is a more moderate and balanced country: it is not close to the awesome technological or scientific achievements of the USSR - but their economy and society will be probably more stable.


    Chinese in universities and not a representative

     

    I also wonder if a lot of Americans and Europeans, don't know the difference between Chinese and Japanese. East Asia is just like a single people, in their mind. So they apply stereotypes about Japanese people (shy, polite), onto Chinese - who are the opposite in this area.

    Result is probably not less inaccurate, than in inferred stereotypes about the social behaviour of Italians or Spanish, from looking at the behaviour of people in Finland.

    Replies: @AaronB

  98. @Kent Nationalist

    Russians are literally oppressors and imperialists??? excuse me ?????
     
    The homosexual has an excellent mastery of reddit dialect for a non-native speaker

    Replies: @Gman987123

    Don’t make a rookie mistake of confusing the government with regular people…

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  100. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Traditional Chinese culture is very verbal oriented, but this flies in the face of HBD so few people here will accept that.

    Chinese culture also has a strong traditional anti-technology streak and pro-nature orientation - but again, flies in the face of observed Chinese behavior today so will not be accepted by the HBD set.

    Oh well.

    And yes, very loud and talkative people, even here in N.Y. But since most HBD people base their perceptions on Chinese in universities and not a representative sample, they won't accept that either.

    Its like if all you ever met were the extremely soft spoken, gentle, upper class English gentlemen type, and then were shocked to meet chavs.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Chinese culture is very verbal

    Part of the perception, is because of the nature of immigration from a non-European language.

    “Quantitative tests” – as in GRE test – is relatively easy and accessible for people from any kind of background, although they will need to pay for some coaching in understanding the test format (including trick questions).

    So you should need to pay for a course – but with such a course, people of non-European nationalities can be coached to pass the “Quantitative GRE”.

    On the other hand, GRE Verbal, requires immersion (including a reading ability) in a European language for years.

    So, I was laughing about how easy the GRE Verbal is (how can they test Americans with this?). However, I have a life of immersion in words of Latin and Greek origination.

    For a Chinese or Japanese person – who does not have experience with Latin and Greek originating vocabulary – then GRE Verbal exam is probably very difficult, and would require them to be immersed in European languages for some years, before they will score high.

    Chinese culture also has a strong traditional anti-technology

    China’s current government (Communist Party of China) promotes an ideology at least nominally based in Marxism–Leninism – so it should promote technology and science as part of the official ideology.

    Marxism is an Enlightenment ideology, while Lenin viewed promoting science and technology as a state religion.


    So, we can probably see an official attitude to technology with China’s government which is a little analogous to its worship in the Soviet Union. Of course China is a more moderate and balanced country: it is not close to the awesome technological or scientific achievements of the USSR – but their economy and society will be probably more stable.

    Chinese in universities and not a representative

    I also wonder if a lot of Americans and Europeans, don’t know the difference between Chinese and Japanese. East Asia is just like a single people, in their mind. So they apply stereotypes about Japanese people (shy, polite), onto Chinese – who are the opposite in this area.

    Result is probably not less inaccurate, than in inferred stereotypes about the social behaviour of Italians or Spanish, from looking at the behaviour of people in Finland.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    That's definitely a part of it. But I also think East Asians are focusing on STEM because they want to modernize and catch up with the West, not because they have any special proclivity or aptitude for it.

    Yes, many cannot distinguish between Japanese and Chinese. But even the stereotype about the Japanese is wrong - that they are unemotional and robotic. If you watch Japanese films and tv, they come off as extremely emotional and passionate and sentimental. Jared Taylor in his book on Japan says the Japanese think of Westerners as dry, logical, and unemotional lol, and of themselves as "wet" and emotional.

    Countries that are exposed to an unrepresentative slice of another people tend to have a very distorted view of that people. For instance, Thailand gets a disproportionate amount of a certain type of white person (although thats changing), and they tend to have a grotesquely distorted - and highly amusing - idea of what white people are like in general.

    My idea of Russians was hugely out of skew based on the mafia and thuggish types that were all over Brighton Beach when I was a kid and that was all I saw.

    In the 90s you could be forgiven for thinking that Israel was populated entirely by shirt Arabic looking men who all worked in the moving industry, based on what you saw in NYC.

    And when I flew into Beijing for the first time, I was shocked to see do many tall, burly, Chinese people - all I had seen in NYC were the short southern type of Chinese. Even their features were different.

    And when I went to India for the first I was stunned at the variety on display - N.Y. Was getting only one type of Indian.

    If I was an HBDer, I think my head would explode.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  101. @melanf
    @Dmitry


    It’s nothing new in this video
     
    In the past, instead of quelling pogroms, America has committed coutou to looters?

    Of course, today's pogroms will soon end, but the bandits will remember how they were the masters of the country, so until tough measures are taken ,the "fight against racism" will go on increasing

    Replies: @Dmitry

    but the bandits will remember how they were the masters of the country

    In general, America is probably the world’s leading chekistan.

    More likely, rather than being masters of anything – these looters are just having some fun in between their life in prison.

    so until tough measures are taken

    Not many countries have more “tough measures” than in America. I don’t think increasing the level of the tough measures there will help the situation much.

    What is it like when certain types of American policemen, want to take ordinary civilians from the hotel room.

  102. @Toronto Russian
    @songbird


    I can only think of one piece I sort of like, the Cloud Gate in Chicago, and that mainly because I think it stimulates the imagination about material science. (and I mostly think it is pretty ugly)
     
    I have no thoughts on the Cloud Gate, other than without constant and difficult maintenance its shine will fade quickly. But statues are the hardest kind of art to make realistic and tasteful in our time. Here are two General Patton monuments made in Czechia in 2015. The realist one was initially accepted, but a scandal with the sculptor who had been a snitch in Communist times lead to its rejection and installation in a small village that agreed to take it.
    https://g.denik.cz/46/c9/patton-dysina_galerie-980.jpg

    https://ceskacenazaarchitekturu.cz/app/uploads/2016/04/10-před-křižovatku-za-provozuNVmC9u5w1460749079-1341x1980.jpg

    Equally hideous, I think. The realist one is stiff like a mannequin, seemingly wears unfitted uniform (I know the breaches are designed to be like that, but his sleeves are too big and the middle too tight), and the face is blank. New Russian monuments are also cursed with stiff poses, lazy cloth folds/textures and empty facial expressions.
    Here's a roundup of them, with classic statues for comparison. It's just sad.
    https://shakko-kitsune.livejournal.com/1181152.html

    I don't know why this critical loss of skill occurred (even in a country with uninterrupted academic tradition), but there needs to be a lot of hard re-learning and long practice before realist sculptors again make something that deserves to be put outside.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Lol in the Japanese version.

    1930s sculptures in Tokyo.

    Contemporary series of Japanese sculpture.

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
    @Dmitry

    At least it's funny. Canadians are still dead serious about sculpture and their decline is more embarrassing for that.

    1939 memorial to WWI: complex group of soldiers with a common dynamic, unity and purpose.
    https://tinytinotravel.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/img_3929.jpg

    2014 memorial to British-American war of 1812: politically correct (they included all the ethnic groups that fought and a woman) chaos with questionable anatomy.
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-waymarking-images/956f0df8-d662-4b4f-ae83-5ea521517e93_d.jpg

    Replies: @melanf

  103. @Dmitry
    @Toronto Russian


    Abstract art was taken seriously 100 years ago (The Black Square
     
    It was just an internal logic of the painting/drawing profession.

    After technological improvements in photography kills a large part of painting's raison d'être (to memorialize our visual experience of reality), then painting has to move to abstraction.

    Photography pushes out the purpose of the figurative part of painting, so artists are desperately trying to do things which photography cannot: - e.g. cubism, representing multiple perspectives at the same time.

    But experiments like cubism to combine perspective and movement, are soon only a poor version of what film (moving picture) can achieve.

    Malevich in 1915 was parody the logical end of his profession's post-photography trend - a black screen. This around the time the first cinemas are opening in Europe. (E.g. First cinema in Petrograd - 1913)

    After people really have to think what can painting achieve, that is not possible in photography and film. Although I think the profession has achieved most only in animation of the last century. (Something about animation though is the best ones - like Grave of the Fireflies - can be often far from the best one artistically; although some scenes in anime like Akira can be more interesting than modern paintings).

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

    After technological improvements in photography kills a large part of painting’s raison d’être (to memorialize our visual experience of reality), then painting has to move to abstraction.

    That was certainly the experience at the moment. Commercial art like Vogue covers became more and more experimental in the 20s and 30s, playing with abstraction until color photography became high-end enough to be printed on a cover (and replaced graphics forever).

    But the photography world then became oversaturated and its average level of talent declined (as photo equipment reached the widest masses). It showed its limitations that figurative art could exploit, like presenting fantastic objects and combinations that don’t look fake (“shopped”). Here comes Salvador Dali on the high-culture side and the pin-up on the commercial side. Pin-up artists painted from actual photos of pretty girls, the difference was they added imaginative elements and dynamic.

    And then video games made elaborate graphic art necessary, picturing worlds that don’t exist but have to feel realistic to the player.

    Someone who loves modern art may as well mean they love (apolitical) game concept graphics or Mo Dao Zu Shi fan art, which they’re probably exposed to much more than (leftist) contemporary art.

    • Replies: @melanf
    @Toronto Russian

    Graduation works of students of the Academy of arts in St. Petersburg 2016

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/26767/39928832.12a/0_a2f89_51259c04_XL.jpg

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/59186/39928832.12d/0_a2ff4_40d7a472_XL.jpg

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/151498/39928832.12d/0_a2ffb_b7f68b98_XL.jpg

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4701/39928832.12c/0_a2fc3_4585771a_XL.jpg

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/107800/39928832.12c/0_a2fc4_c91c7eb_XL.jpg

    There are many https://yura-falyosa.livejournal.com/1500684.html

    , @Dmitry
    @Toronto Russian

    Even the abstract painting of the 20th century, can be wonderful, and can create sensations, which cannot be substituted by any photography or film. In late paintings of Monet already, - you can enter to a trance looking at the colours.

    But it is a very diminished role for painting/drawing in the 20th century, compared to what it had before the invention of photography.


    -

    For perhaps a somewhat similar analogy, I wonder what would be a role of cuisine in the 22nd century, if a technology is invented that provides alimentary nourishment by simple injection. Imagine in the 22nd century, if we will not have the practical need to eat, and normally injected ourselves for nourishment - then what will be role of cuisine, restaurants and cooking books?

    Its role as a bit of impractical luxury enjoyed by cognoscenti (as painting/drawing has become after the invention of photography), would also start to change the kind of recipes that people would cook. I guess they would focus more on food which creates extreme and unusual sensations. Or people making cuisine, would start to eat artificial flavours, which have no relation to any real food.

  104. @Dmitry
    @Toronto Russian

    Lol in the Japanese version.

    1930s sculptures in Tokyo.

    https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47763612492_fa40697319_b.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/KDdAoYP.jpg

    Contemporary series of Japanese sculpture.

    https://i.imgur.com/wrAnj1i.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/Kg0oBMd.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/GTJfOsl.jpg

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

    At least it’s funny. Canadians are still dead serious about sculpture and their decline is more embarrassing for that.

    1939 memorial to WWI: complex group of soldiers with a common dynamic, unity and purpose.

    2014 memorial to British-American war of 1812: politically correct (they included all the ethnic groups that fought and a woman) chaos with questionable anatomy.

    • Replies: @melanf
    @Toronto Russian

    monument to Hercules (as the first tourist) in Crimea 2008
    https://i1.wp.com/ic.pics.livejournal.com/dobriy_vasya/32336246/1153150/1153150_900.jpg

  105. @Toronto Russian
    @Dmitry

    At least it's funny. Canadians are still dead serious about sculpture and their decline is more embarrassing for that.

    1939 memorial to WWI: complex group of soldiers with a common dynamic, unity and purpose.
    https://tinytinotravel.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/img_3929.jpg

    2014 memorial to British-American war of 1812: politically correct (they included all the ethnic groups that fought and a woman) chaos with questionable anatomy.
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-waymarking-images/956f0df8-d662-4b4f-ae83-5ea521517e93_d.jpg

    Replies: @melanf

    monument to Hercules (as the first tourist) in Crimea 2008

  106. @Toronto Russian
    @Dmitry


    After technological improvements in photography kills a large part of painting’s raison d’être (to memorialize our visual experience of reality), then painting has to move to abstraction.
     
    That was certainly the experience at the moment. Commercial art like Vogue covers became more and more experimental in the 20s and 30s, playing with abstraction until color photography became high-end enough to be printed on a cover (and replaced graphics forever).
    https://i.etsystatic.com/6958393/r/il/64673c/458370571/il_570xN.458370571_syrv.jpg

    But the photography world then became oversaturated and its average level of talent declined (as photo equipment reached the widest masses). It showed its limitations that figurative art could exploit, like presenting fantastic objects and combinations that don't look fake ("shopped"). Here comes Salvador Dali on the high-culture side and the pin-up on the commercial side. Pin-up artists painted from actual photos of pretty girls, the difference was they added imaginative elements and dynamic.
    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1jH.WQFXXXXXZXXXXq6xXFXXXl/Sexy-Fishing-Girl-Pop-Art-Pin-Up-Vintage-Poster-Classic-Retro-Kraft-Decorative-Map-Wall-Canvas.jpg

    And then video games made elaborate graphic art necessary, picturing worlds that don't exist but have to feel realistic to the player.
    http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/galerie/280/A1404V_05.jpg

    Someone who loves modern art may as well mean they love (apolitical) game concept graphics or Mo Dao Zu Shi fan art, which they're probably exposed to much more than (leftist) contemporary art.

    Replies: @melanf, @Dmitry

    Graduation works of students of the Academy of arts in St. Petersburg 2016

    There are many https://yura-falyosa.livejournal.com/1500684.html

  107. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Chinese culture is very verbal
     
    Part of the perception, is because of the nature of immigration from a non-European language.

    "Quantitative tests" - as in GRE test - is relatively easy and accessible for people from any kind of background, although they will need to pay for some coaching in understanding the test format (including trick questions).

    So you should need to pay for a course - but with such a course, people of non-European nationalities can be coached to pass the "Quantitative GRE".

    On the other hand, GRE Verbal, requires immersion (including a reading ability) in a European language for years.

    So, I was laughing about how easy the GRE Verbal is (how can they test Americans with this?). However, I have a life of immersion in words of Latin and Greek origination.

    For a Chinese or Japanese person - who does not have experience with Latin and Greek originating vocabulary - then GRE Verbal exam is probably very difficult, and would require them to be immersed in European languages for some years, before they will score high.


    Chinese culture also has a strong traditional anti-technology

     

    China's current government (Communist Party of China) promotes an ideology at least nominally based in Marxism–Leninism - so it should promote technology and science as part of the official ideology.

    Marxism is an Enlightenment ideology, while Lenin viewed promoting science and technology as a state religion.

    -
    So, we can probably see an official attitude to technology with China's government which is a little analogous to its worship in the Soviet Union. Of course China is a more moderate and balanced country: it is not close to the awesome technological or scientific achievements of the USSR - but their economy and society will be probably more stable.


    Chinese in universities and not a representative

     

    I also wonder if a lot of Americans and Europeans, don't know the difference between Chinese and Japanese. East Asia is just like a single people, in their mind. So they apply stereotypes about Japanese people (shy, polite), onto Chinese - who are the opposite in this area.

    Result is probably not less inaccurate, than in inferred stereotypes about the social behaviour of Italians or Spanish, from looking at the behaviour of people in Finland.

    Replies: @AaronB

    That’s definitely a part of it. But I also think East Asians are focusing on STEM because they want to modernize and catch up with the West, not because they have any special proclivity or aptitude for it.

    Yes, many cannot distinguish between Japanese and Chinese. But even the stereotype about the Japanese is wrong – that they are unemotional and robotic. If you watch Japanese films and tv, they come off as extremely emotional and passionate and sentimental. Jared Taylor in his book on Japan says the Japanese think of Westerners as dry, logical, and unemotional lol, and of themselves as “wet” and emotional.

    Countries that are exposed to an unrepresentative slice of another people tend to have a very distorted view of that people. For instance, Thailand gets a disproportionate amount of a certain type of white person (although thats changing), and they tend to have a grotesquely distorted – and highly amusing – idea of what white people are like in general.

    My idea of Russians was hugely out of skew based on the mafia and thuggish types that were all over Brighton Beach when I was a kid and that was all I saw.

    In the 90s you could be forgiven for thinking that Israel was populated entirely by shirt Arabic looking men who all worked in the moving industry, based on what you saw in NYC.

    And when I flew into Beijing for the first time, I was shocked to see do many tall, burly, Chinese people – all I had seen in NYC were the short southern type of Chinese. Even their features were different.

    And when I went to India for the first I was stunned at the variety on display – N.Y. Was getting only one type of Indian.

    If I was an HBDer, I think my head would explode.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Japanese is wrong – that they are unemotional and robotic
     
    I never have heard this stereotype, and it is implausible with any acquaintance with Japanese cultural exports.

    However, Japanese has an unusually strong personality, so it is easier to stereotype, than for other countries.

    Japanese on average are introverted and polite - this is probably true more than for any other nationality in the world. I think they are probably the most introverted and polite country in the world.

    Or that Japanese are obsessed with clothes and connoisseurship - this is perhaps at a level exceeded only by Italians.

    -

    It seems like many Europeans and Americans, do not know the difference between Japanese and Chinese.

    Chinese are obviously much more extroverted on average, than Japanese. I guess (without knowing China), that Chinese might be similar to world average on the extrovert-introvert scale?

    In terms of national differences, it is like if you tried to infer about social behaviour of Italians, from an acquaintance with Danes.


    Countries that are exposed to an unrepresentative slice of another people tend to have a very distorted

     

    Yes, it's one reason that it's nice for the immigrant itself, if the receiving country has selective immigration from their native country.

    So for example, recent Indian immigrants in USA (or somewhere like Palo Alto) are usually selected to be educated. While Mexico has a much more open kind of immigration, including a lot of proletariat and peasant immigration.

    As a result, Americans stereotype (in American films and television) Indians as educated nerds, while they view Mexicans as proletariat. Although Mexico has 4-5 per capita incomes than India, so their proportion of proletariat in the general population will likely be significantly lower than in India.

  108. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    That's definitely a part of it. But I also think East Asians are focusing on STEM because they want to modernize and catch up with the West, not because they have any special proclivity or aptitude for it.

    Yes, many cannot distinguish between Japanese and Chinese. But even the stereotype about the Japanese is wrong - that they are unemotional and robotic. If you watch Japanese films and tv, they come off as extremely emotional and passionate and sentimental. Jared Taylor in his book on Japan says the Japanese think of Westerners as dry, logical, and unemotional lol, and of themselves as "wet" and emotional.

    Countries that are exposed to an unrepresentative slice of another people tend to have a very distorted view of that people. For instance, Thailand gets a disproportionate amount of a certain type of white person (although thats changing), and they tend to have a grotesquely distorted - and highly amusing - idea of what white people are like in general.

    My idea of Russians was hugely out of skew based on the mafia and thuggish types that were all over Brighton Beach when I was a kid and that was all I saw.

    In the 90s you could be forgiven for thinking that Israel was populated entirely by shirt Arabic looking men who all worked in the moving industry, based on what you saw in NYC.

    And when I flew into Beijing for the first time, I was shocked to see do many tall, burly, Chinese people - all I had seen in NYC were the short southern type of Chinese. Even their features were different.

    And when I went to India for the first I was stunned at the variety on display - N.Y. Was getting only one type of Indian.

    If I was an HBDer, I think my head would explode.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Japanese is wrong – that they are unemotional and robotic

    I never have heard this stereotype, and it is implausible with any acquaintance with Japanese cultural exports.

    However, Japanese has an unusually strong personality, so it is easier to stereotype, than for other countries.

    Japanese on average are introverted and polite – this is probably true more than for any other nationality in the world. I think they are probably the most introverted and polite country in the world.

    Or that Japanese are obsessed with clothes and connoisseurship – this is perhaps at a level exceeded only by Italians.

    It seems like many Europeans and Americans, do not know the difference between Japanese and Chinese.

    Chinese are obviously much more extroverted on average, than Japanese. I guess (without knowing China), that Chinese might be similar to world average on the extrovert-introvert scale?

    In terms of national differences, it is like if you tried to infer about social behaviour of Italians, from an acquaintance with Danes.

    Countries that are exposed to an unrepresentative slice of another people tend to have a very distorted

    Yes, it’s one reason that it’s nice for the immigrant itself, if the receiving country has selective immigration from their native country.

    So for example, recent Indian immigrants in USA (or somewhere like Palo Alto) are usually selected to be educated. While Mexico has a much more open kind of immigration, including a lot of proletariat and peasant immigration.

    As a result, Americans stereotype (in American films and television) Indians as educated nerds, while they view Mexicans as proletariat. Although Mexico has 4-5 per capita incomes than India, so their proportion of proletariat in the general population will likely be significantly lower than in India.

    • Agree: AaronB
  109. @Toronto Russian
    @Dmitry


    After technological improvements in photography kills a large part of painting’s raison d’être (to memorialize our visual experience of reality), then painting has to move to abstraction.
     
    That was certainly the experience at the moment. Commercial art like Vogue covers became more and more experimental in the 20s and 30s, playing with abstraction until color photography became high-end enough to be printed on a cover (and replaced graphics forever).
    https://i.etsystatic.com/6958393/r/il/64673c/458370571/il_570xN.458370571_syrv.jpg

    But the photography world then became oversaturated and its average level of talent declined (as photo equipment reached the widest masses). It showed its limitations that figurative art could exploit, like presenting fantastic objects and combinations that don't look fake ("shopped"). Here comes Salvador Dali on the high-culture side and the pin-up on the commercial side. Pin-up artists painted from actual photos of pretty girls, the difference was they added imaginative elements and dynamic.
    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1jH.WQFXXXXXZXXXXq6xXFXXXl/Sexy-Fishing-Girl-Pop-Art-Pin-Up-Vintage-Poster-Classic-Retro-Kraft-Decorative-Map-Wall-Canvas.jpg

    And then video games made elaborate graphic art necessary, picturing worlds that don't exist but have to feel realistic to the player.
    http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/galerie/280/A1404V_05.jpg

    Someone who loves modern art may as well mean they love (apolitical) game concept graphics or Mo Dao Zu Shi fan art, which they're probably exposed to much more than (leftist) contemporary art.

    Replies: @melanf, @Dmitry

    Even the abstract painting of the 20th century, can be wonderful, and can create sensations, which cannot be substituted by any photography or film. In late paintings of Monet already, – you can enter to a trance looking at the colours.

    But it is a very diminished role for painting/drawing in the 20th century, compared to what it had before the invention of photography.

    For perhaps a somewhat similar analogy, I wonder what would be a role of cuisine in the 22nd century, if a technology is invented that provides alimentary nourishment by simple injection. Imagine in the 22nd century, if we will not have the practical need to eat, and normally injected ourselves for nourishment – then what will be role of cuisine, restaurants and cooking books?

    Its role as a bit of impractical luxury enjoyed by cognoscenti (as painting/drawing has become after the invention of photography), would also start to change the kind of recipes that people would cook. I guess they would focus more on food which creates extreme and unusual sensations. Or people making cuisine, would start to eat artificial flavours, which have no relation to any real food.

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