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As the protests become more marginal and zmagar-dominated, they are also drawing an ever increasing mass of Russian Bioleninists. Not very important in the grand scheme of things, but it’s amusing to observe.

***

The Encounter: The liberal hipster Yuri Dud’, who was recently in Poland, also ran into some Based Polish Nationalists there:

“We are for Lukashenka, we are for Putin, we are Polish nationalists. We came here because this is a brothel. They also organized a Maidan, they organized events in Kazakhstan, ”said a group of picketing the “Belarusian House” in Warsaw.

Dud’ asked again: “In Kazakhstan?”, to which he was answered in the affirmative.

“They get money from the US direct from the Wall Street stock exchange, and there are a lot of people in Congress who support them. They are connected. The State Department is doing this. This has been proven by political scientists,” say the Polish nationalists.

But they missed out the best part.

Polish nationalist: We are Polish nationalists… Tikhanovskaya is a Jewish woman.

Dud: So you don’t like Jews?

Polish nationalist: No. You like them?

Dud: I like all people, if they’re good. I like a Jew if he is a good person.

Polish nationalist: Really? How interesting!

10/10 “the goyim know” Chad face:

Yury Dud’ was apparently genuinely surprised at this level of anti-Semitism from Poland.

These liberal zoomer Dud’-watching types tend to have this self-hating impression of Russia as a vatnik hellhole of anti-Semites and homophobes, in contrast to the tolerant and cultured European civilization they imagine in places like Poland.

This meme is how they literally see the world:

It was hilarious seeing their collective delusions being so cruelly and abruptly dashed by Based Polish Nationalists.

***

The “Read Another Book” demographic was also out in force.

***

Anna Maria Efremova – that antifa trans-chick who was threatening to burn down the newly opening nationalist bookstore Listva in Moscow a few weeks ago – has been observed agitating with rainbow, EU, and white-red flags in Minsk.

Her plans are to get married to her lesbian lover, move abroad, and adopt a child. She does not plan to reproduce, because “birth is disgusting, and so are my genes.”

In the meantime, Efremov père was sentenced to 8 years jail for DUI homicide a week ago. He and his mafioso-like lawyer Elman Pashaev behaved with total impudence at the trial, insulting the family of the bereaved, threatening them, aggressively insinuating it wasn’t Efremov at the wheel. This weird, boorish behavior made some Russians think he had paid off the judges. But apparently not.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. That moment when so called “civilised” Poles trash Russian shitlib views towards Europe anyways as for Lukashenko he better be bowing his head to Putler for saving his butt but part of me thinks he is double playing but it is what is Slutvana is dumb as a a brick and most Belarussians seem to be blackpilled and in mere resignation of their status and Ben Arisand Anders Aslund has to come with new exuses to think the protests are still “relevent” by thinking by vandalizing streets sighs and walls are “revolutionary”

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Yankeestani

    jesse what the fuck are you talking about

    Anyways, nice to see these dumbasses gathered in one place... It would be a shame if some sort of catastrophe occurred there...

  3. Witchcraft, heresy and mutation!

  4. The “Read Another Book” demographic was also out in force.

    The Thai protests are by far the gayest I have ever seen. Their symbol comes from a novel meant for precocious American tween girls. Sometimes they also attend dressed as characters from Harry Potter.

    • Replies: @Yankeestani
    @Kent Nationalist

    They are going full Hong Konger protests but it seems Asians always seem to be the most gayest protestors ever total soy boys

    , @songbird
    @Kent Nationalist

    I'm sure I am not alone in wondering if there is some climatological or environmental hazard which makes Thais gayer.

  5. @Kent Nationalist

    The “Read Another Book” demographic was also out in force.

     

    The Thai protests are by far the gayest I have ever seen. Their symbol comes from a novel meant for precocious American tween girls. Sometimes they also attend dressed as characters from Harry Potter.

    Replies: @Yankeestani, @songbird

    They are going full Hong Konger protests but it seems Asians always seem to be the most gayest protestors ever total soy boys

  6. “birth is disgusting, and so are my genes.”

    Half true.

    • Agree: reiner Tor, mal, SveVid
    • Replies: @songbird
    @The Big Red Scary

    I don't know if it is something men were meant to watch, but that doesn't make me an anti-natalist.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary

  7. Bioleninism is why the rainbow flag won out over the green flags which one used to see on Earth Day in the 1970s. If you look carefully, you can still find them flown by rural white hippies (probably boomers), but they do not fly over the urban centers.

    That is not to say an environmental flag has no appeal, but it would have to be backed up by an army of regulars, conquering territories, and pulling down the rainbow one.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @songbird

    When I log onto this forum, I always want to post some funny things I have seen of bourgeois students in England over the week, but I never remember to take photos of it.

    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @songbird

  8. This meme is how they literally see the

    I just nodded my head reading this (for Russia – in Western Europe it’s something different) – working class people lose their youth and appearance much more quickly, than middle class people.

    It’s the speed the country has transitioned you from looking like a normal human person, to some kind of broken biological waste. In the middle class people, are still looking normal until around 30, while working class already sometimes broken in their 20s.

    I guess one of the mechanisms is just how you respond to…

    Russia as a vatnik hellhole of anti-Semites and homophobes, in contrast to the tolerant and cultured European civilization they imagine in places like Poland

    Poles I know (researchers, doctors, airlane pilot) they are all ultranationalists, but their views are also liberal and identity with European politics, more than their current government.

    Middle class Poles, seem to usually combine ultranationalism with liberal, almost Scandinavian political views.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Poles I know (researchers, doctors, airlane pilot) they are all ultranationalists, but their views are also liberal and identity with European politics, more than their current government.

     

    And half are going to church every Sunday.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    Dmitry, please don't take any offense (you certainly don't need to) and you know that I'm one of your biggest fans at this blog, but I couldn't help but immediately think of you when I read the ingredients for a "Decent Russian Citizen" above. Except instead of "probably a poet" I'd substitute in "probably a philosopher". Am I somehow wrong coming to this conclusion? :-)

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry

    More accurate version of that meme:

    https://i.imgur.com/fwSk51C.png

  9. @Kent Nationalist

    The “Read Another Book” demographic was also out in force.

     

    The Thai protests are by far the gayest I have ever seen. Their symbol comes from a novel meant for precocious American tween girls. Sometimes they also attend dressed as characters from Harry Potter.

    Replies: @Yankeestani, @songbird

    I’m sure I am not alone in wondering if there is some climatological or environmental hazard which makes Thais gayer.

  10. Based Polish Man. He should be president.

  11. @songbird
    Bioleninism is why the rainbow flag won out over the green flags which one used to see on Earth Day in the 1970s. If you look carefully, you can still find them flown by rural white hippies (probably boomers), but they do not fly over the urban centers.

    That is not to say an environmental flag has no appeal, but it would have to be backed up by an army of regulars, conquering territories, and pulling down the rainbow one.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    When I log onto this forum, I always want to post some funny things I have seen of bourgeois students in England over the week, but I never remember to take photos of it.

    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Dmitry


    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.
     
    A revealing part of current-year "Woke Capitalism" is how blatantly the managerial class show their ideological preferences.

    There could be a lot of demand or there could be little demand, it wouldn't matter, in the end internal organisational political pressure would result in the same outcome for the shops.

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Dmitry, @Supply and Demand

    , @songbird
    @Dmitry

    In the US, a weird system of graft exists to subsidize strange bookstores. In order to obtain a degree at many colleges, one is forced to take classes that satisfy diversity requirements. I have known many individuals forced to take gay subjects like modern dance, in order to satisfy these requirements. Students might spend over $700 on books/semester, and some are political books that they are forced to read, which are sold only at these strange stores.

    But that is the US, where college is insanely expensive. I don't know whether a similar system exists in the Anglosphere or Western Europe.

    There is a strange push of gay and black entertainment in general, which I do not think reflects the natural market. There seems to be a strange superabundance of gay movies made - I wonder if it is more than just political signaling, but some of it is done for socio-sexual reasons.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

  12. @Dmitry

    This meme is how they literally see the
     
    I just nodded my head reading this (for Russia - in Western Europe it's something different) - working class people lose their youth and appearance much more quickly, than middle class people.

    It's the speed the country has transitioned you from looking like a normal human person, to some kind of broken biological waste. In the middle class people, are still looking normal until around 30, while working class already sometimes broken in their 20s.

    I guess one of the mechanisms is just how you respond to...
    https://utv.ru/media/screen_image/bnuzae.png


    Russia as a vatnik hellhole of anti-Semites and homophobes, in contrast to the tolerant and cultured European civilization they imagine in places like Poland
     
    Poles I know (researchers, doctors, airlane pilot) they are all ultranationalists, but their views are also liberal and identity with European politics, more than their current government.

    Middle class Poles, seem to usually combine ultranationalism with liberal, almost Scandinavian political views.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    Poles I know (researchers, doctors, airlane pilot) they are all ultranationalists, but their views are also liberal and identity with European politics, more than their current government.

    And half are going to church every Sunday.

  13. @Yankeestani
    That moment when so called "civilised" Poles trash Russian shitlib views towards Europe anyways as for Lukashenko he better be bowing his head to Putler for saving his butt but part of me thinks he is double playing but it is what is Slutvana is dumb as a a brick and most Belarussians seem to be blackpilled and in mere resignation of their status and Ben Arisand Anders Aslund has to come with new exuses to think the protests are still "relevent" by thinking by vandalizing streets sighs and walls are "revolutionary"

    Replies: @Svevlad

    jesse what the fuck are you talking about

    Anyways, nice to see these dumbasses gathered in one place… It would be a shame if some sort of catastrophe occurred there…

  14. @The Big Red Scary
    “birth is disgusting, and so are my genes.”

    Half true.

    Replies: @songbird

    I don’t know if it is something men were meant to watch, but that doesn’t make me an anti-natalist.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @songbird

    I was not referring to birth.

    Birth as we know it is tied up with the tragedy of fallen nature. And yet it is a glorious miracle.

  15. “birth is disgusting, and so are my genes.”

    Never heard of that Anna Maria Efremova before. She may be wrong about birth, but she is surely right about her genes: they must be disgusting. It’s a good thing this individual won’t procreate.

  16. These liberal zoomer Dud’-watching types tend to have this self-hating impression of Russia as a vatnik hellhole of anti-Semites and homophobes, in contrast to the tolerant and cultured European civilization they imagine in places like Poland.

    Hypocrisy is always a good theme to build a story around!

  17. The guy wearing forage cap whom Dud’ interviewed is Polish actor Wojciech Olszański better known under his pseudonym “Aleksander Jabłonowski”:
    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Olsza%C5%84ski
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%86%D0%B5%D1%85
    He and his followers are sometimes called “right wing” but are in reality a continuation of National Communist faction within the Polish Communist Party. The forage cap he’s wearing is similar to those worn by soldiers of Polish division
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-%D1%8F_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F_(%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B0)
    which fought on the Soviet side and became the seed of the armed forces of the Polish People’s Republic. See the same cap worn by that unit’s commander:
    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygmunt_Berling
    That cap is not an accident because Olszański and his followers believe that Polish People’s Republic was good, mostly because it implemented a nationalist agenda by expelling Germans, Ukrainians and Jews. They are pro-Russian because 1) Russia made Polish People’s Republic possible and gave Poland land seized from Germany. 2) The European Union is controlled by Germans and the United States is controlled by Jews. It’s a tiny group.
    By the way, Olszański’s Russian is poor, which doesn’t help his Russophile image.I spoke better Russian in high school.

    A more representative sample of Polish nationalists can be found among organizers of annual nationalist march:
    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsz_Niepodleg%C5%82o%C5%9Bci
    These people hate both Jews and Russians.
    An average Pole is anti-Russian and in Polish politics the worst thing is to be accused of being a Russian agent. It happened to several people and the general attitude was that they were guilty until proven innocent. Sort of like accusations of racism in the United States.

    • Thanks: Kent Nationalist, mal
  18. @Dmitry

    This meme is how they literally see the
     
    I just nodded my head reading this (for Russia - in Western Europe it's something different) - working class people lose their youth and appearance much more quickly, than middle class people.

    It's the speed the country has transitioned you from looking like a normal human person, to some kind of broken biological waste. In the middle class people, are still looking normal until around 30, while working class already sometimes broken in their 20s.

    I guess one of the mechanisms is just how you respond to...
    https://utv.ru/media/screen_image/bnuzae.png


    Russia as a vatnik hellhole of anti-Semites and homophobes, in contrast to the tolerant and cultured European civilization they imagine in places like Poland
     
    Poles I know (researchers, doctors, airlane pilot) they are all ultranationalists, but their views are also liberal and identity with European politics, more than their current government.

    Middle class Poles, seem to usually combine ultranationalism with liberal, almost Scandinavian political views.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    Dmitry, please don’t take any offense (you certainly don’t need to) and you know that I’m one of your biggest fans at this blog, but I couldn’t help but immediately think of you when I read the ingredients for a “Decent Russian Citizen” above. Except instead of “probably a poet” I’d substitute in “probably a philosopher”. Am I somehow wrong coming to this conclusion? 🙂

    • LOL: Ano4
  19. @Dmitry

    This meme is how they literally see the
     
    I just nodded my head reading this (for Russia - in Western Europe it's something different) - working class people lose their youth and appearance much more quickly, than middle class people.

    It's the speed the country has transitioned you from looking like a normal human person, to some kind of broken biological waste. In the middle class people, are still looking normal until around 30, while working class already sometimes broken in their 20s.

    I guess one of the mechanisms is just how you respond to...
    https://utv.ru/media/screen_image/bnuzae.png


    Russia as a vatnik hellhole of anti-Semites and homophobes, in contrast to the tolerant and cultured European civilization they imagine in places like Poland
     
    Poles I know (researchers, doctors, airlane pilot) they are all ultranationalists, but their views are also liberal and identity with European politics, more than their current government.

    Middle class Poles, seem to usually combine ultranationalism with liberal, almost Scandinavian political views.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    More accurate version of that meme:

    • Thanks: 216
    • LOL: Ano4
  20. @Dmitry
    @songbird

    When I log onto this forum, I always want to post some funny things I have seen of bourgeois students in England over the week, but I never remember to take photos of it.

    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @songbird

    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.

    A revealing part of current-year “Woke Capitalism” is how blatantly the managerial class show their ideological preferences.

    There could be a lot of demand or there could be little demand, it wouldn’t matter, in the end internal organisational political pressure would result in the same outcome for the shops.

    • Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @Hyperborean


    There could be a lot of demand or there could be little demand, it wouldn’t matter, in the end internal organisational political pressure would result in the same outcome for the shops.
     
    This demand almost certainly doesn't exist. Most people don't read much, homosexuals even less. Even the sporadic political "hits" that sell like hotcakes for a day or two (like the supposed "tell all" books covering the happenings behind the scenes of the drumpf regime) probably aren't generally read all the way through, no chance even dedicated shitlibs can maintain a consistent demand for this bilge (which is why ultra-woke traditional publishing is on a big decline). It's 100% entryist political pressure.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    , @Dmitry
    @Hyperborean

    In wealthy and affluenza hit cities of Western Europe, sometimes I think the "bottom up" ideology is more eccentric, than anything that corporations can imagine, and it's more like the businesses might be trying to appease them.

    So, the owner of a bookshop in city is "top down" imposing LGBT ideology:
    https://twitter.com/CambridgeUP/status/1136920909661556737

    But sample of some of the "civil society" in the street directly outside of the bookshop.

    https://twitter.com/lilliealmond/status/1299351803830636545

    Residents of such a city are mostly so gentle and bourgeois, that you can probably dress like those protesters every day, and nobody would say anything impolite to you. Once you reach this level of politeness, then there is almost no restriction on peoples' eccentricity anymore.

    , @Supply and Demand
    @Hyperborean

    I worked in the publishing industry for 18 months in 2010-11. One of the Boston based ones doing mass market with small desks of of academic/tech. Most houses’ departments back then were run by elderly Jewish horn dogs and a coterie of their female heeb cousins smattered in with ‘aced the interview’ shiskas. Women cannot consider not publishing for women, and impose their tastes on everyone else. Gay Jews with sinecures are naturally permissive and ideologically bent. That said, most are connoisseurs in my experience. Women are dilettantes by nature, and when they inherit the big desks, the slide now will seem gentle by comparison.

  21. The crowd isn’t aware that Rowling is now out of fashion in the West.

    News apparently still travels slowly away from the Imperial Center.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @216


    The crowd isn’t aware that Rowling is now out of fashion in the West.

    News apparently still travels slowly away from the Imperial Center.

     

    Apparently even the near satrapies haven't received the party line.

    Figures from NPD BookScan per Variety show that sales in print books in fiction overall rose 31.4 percent in the U.S. from May but Rowling's book sales in the U.S. rose just 10.9 percent in June. The findings show that Harry Potter titles rose even less, just 7.7 percent for the month.

    These figures are interesting because, at this time last year, her print book sales rose at a similar pace to the rest of the industry at 35.2 percent.
     
    https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-book-sales-trans-comments-1519442

    The backlash against JK Rowling’s views on transgender law reform has failed to dent the popularity of the Harry Potter author’s books, with publisher Bloomsbury saying they have proved a lockdown hit, pushing revenues at the group’s children’s division up more than a quarter.

    The company, which publishes all of the author’s Harry Potter books, said its consumer publishing arm grew sales by 28% to £31.4m. The children’s division grew by 27% to £18.7m, with Bloomsbury highlighting Rowling’s titles as a “bestseller”.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/21/jk-rowling-book-sales-unaffected-by-transgender-views-row
  22. @Hyperborean
    @Dmitry


    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.
     
    A revealing part of current-year "Woke Capitalism" is how blatantly the managerial class show their ideological preferences.

    There could be a lot of demand or there could be little demand, it wouldn't matter, in the end internal organisational political pressure would result in the same outcome for the shops.

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Dmitry, @Supply and Demand

    There could be a lot of demand or there could be little demand, it wouldn’t matter, in the end internal organisational political pressure would result in the same outcome for the shops.

    This demand almost certainly doesn’t exist. Most people don’t read much, homosexuals even less. Even the sporadic political “hits” that sell like hotcakes for a day or two (like the supposed “tell all” books covering the happenings behind the scenes of the drumpf regime) probably aren’t generally read all the way through, no chance even dedicated shitlibs can maintain a consistent demand for this bilge (which is why ultra-woke traditional publishing is on a big decline). It’s 100% entryist political pressure.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    Women read a lot and a significant subsection of women love homos.

  23. @216
    The crowd isn't aware that Rowling is now out of fashion in the West.

    News apparently still travels slowly away from the Imperial Center.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    The crowd isn’t aware that Rowling is now out of fashion in the West.

    News apparently still travels slowly away from the Imperial Center.

    Apparently even the near satrapies haven’t received the party line.

    Figures from NPD BookScan per Variety show that sales in print books in fiction overall rose 31.4 percent in the U.S. from May but Rowling’s book sales in the U.S. rose just 10.9 percent in June. The findings show that Harry Potter titles rose even less, just 7.7 percent for the month.

    These figures are interesting because, at this time last year, her print book sales rose at a similar pace to the rest of the industry at 35.2 percent.

    https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-book-sales-trans-comments-1519442

    The backlash against JK Rowling’s views on transgender law reform has failed to dent the popularity of the Harry Potter author’s books, with publisher Bloomsbury saying they have proved a lockdown hit, pushing revenues at the group’s children’s division up more than a quarter.

    The company, which publishes all of the author’s Harry Potter books, said its consumer publishing arm grew sales by 28% to £31.4m. The children’s division grew by 27% to £18.7m, with Bloomsbury highlighting Rowling’s titles as a “bestseller”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/21/jk-rowling-book-sales-unaffected-by-transgender-views-row

  24. @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @Hyperborean


    There could be a lot of demand or there could be little demand, it wouldn’t matter, in the end internal organisational political pressure would result in the same outcome for the shops.
     
    This demand almost certainly doesn't exist. Most people don't read much, homosexuals even less. Even the sporadic political "hits" that sell like hotcakes for a day or two (like the supposed "tell all" books covering the happenings behind the scenes of the drumpf regime) probably aren't generally read all the way through, no chance even dedicated shitlibs can maintain a consistent demand for this bilge (which is why ultra-woke traditional publishing is on a big decline). It's 100% entryist political pressure.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    Women read a lot and a significant subsection of women love homos.

  25. @Dmitry
    @songbird

    When I log onto this forum, I always want to post some funny things I have seen of bourgeois students in England over the week, but I never remember to take photos of it.

    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @songbird

    In the US, a weird system of graft exists to subsidize strange bookstores. In order to obtain a degree at many colleges, one is forced to take classes that satisfy diversity requirements. I have known many individuals forced to take gay subjects like modern dance, in order to satisfy these requirements. Students might spend over $700 on books/semester, and some are political books that they are forced to read, which are sold only at these strange stores.

    But that is the US, where college is insanely expensive. I don’t know whether a similar system exists in the Anglosphere or Western Europe.

    There is a strange push of gay and black entertainment in general, which I do not think reflects the natural market. There seems to be a strange superabundance of gay movies made – I wonder if it is more than just political signaling, but some of it is done for socio-sexual reasons.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @songbird


    I wonder if it is more than just political signaling, but some of it is done for socio-sexual reasons.

     

    No. They're paying their tithe to Moloch. Be thankful these people don't have kids.
  26. @Hyperborean
    @Dmitry


    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.
     
    A revealing part of current-year "Woke Capitalism" is how blatantly the managerial class show their ideological preferences.

    There could be a lot of demand or there could be little demand, it wouldn't matter, in the end internal organisational political pressure would result in the same outcome for the shops.

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Dmitry, @Supply and Demand

    In wealthy and affluenza hit cities of Western Europe, sometimes I think the “bottom up” ideology is more eccentric, than anything that corporations can imagine, and it’s more like the businesses might be trying to appease them.

    So, the owner of a bookshop in city is “top down” imposing LGBT ideology:

    But sample of some of the “civil society” in the street directly outside of the bookshop.

    Residents of such a city are mostly so gentle and bourgeois, that you can probably dress like those protesters every day, and nobody would say anything impolite to you. Once you reach this level of politeness, then there is almost no restriction on peoples’ eccentricity anymore.

  27. Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there’s no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I’m not saying Western nationalists don’t see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Europe Europa

    Are you gay?

    , @Hyperborean
    @Europe Europa


    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay
     
    Maybe not so off-topic:

    LEWIS Hamilton has appeared on the cover of British GQ wearing a kilt in response to the controversy he sparked at Christmas, when he told his nephew that “boys don’t wear dresses”.

    In December last year, the F1 driver, 33, an avid user of social media, sparked outrage when he shared a video on Instagram berating his young nephew Kaiden for wearing a pink and purple princess dress.

    The clip opened with Lewis filming himself saying: “I’m so sad right now…look at my nephew.” Hamilton then turned the camera on his nephew, who looked over the moon while waving a wand.

    He then asked his nephew: “Why are you wearing a princess dress? Is this what you got for Christmas? Why did you ask for a princess dress for Christmas, boys don’t wear princess dresses!”

    As an ‘Instagram Story’, the video dropped off the social network within 24 hours but it was preserved by others on YouTube.

    Hamilton later apologised, saying that his nephew should feel “free to express himself as we all should.”

    He wrote: “Yesterday I was playing around with my nephew and realised that my words were inappropriate so I removed the post. I meant no harm and did not mean to offend anyone at all.

    “I love that my nephew feels free to express himself as we all should. ‘My deepest apologies for my behaviour as I realise it is really not acceptable for anyone, no matter where you are from, to marginalise or stereotype anyone.

    “I have always been in support of anyone living their life exactly how they wish and I hope I can be forgiven for this lapse in judgement.”

    The racing driver has now gone even further to demonstrate his apparent repentance, donning a [tacky] patchwork tartan kilt, designed by Tommy Hilfiger, for which he is a brand ambassador, before swapping into a black kilt as an acknowledgement of his mistake.
     

    https://www.driving.co.uk/news/lifestyle/lewis-hamilton-wears-kilt-gq-cover-make-amends-mocking-nephew-wearing-dress/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bkm0GnzAedO/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=91E85513-29CC-4172-9F05-43DA542442A0

    , @AnonFromTN
    @Europe Europa


    I’m not saying Western nationalists don’t see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.
     
    Maybe because there is no mass immigration to Russia from incompatible cultures, and therefore no race issue? Whereas gay propaganda from the Empire and its vassals exists.

    Replies: @216

    , @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    There is more obsession about homosexuality in Great Britain, than in Russia.

    The reasons for the cultural difference in embracing of LGBT, between Great Britain and Russia, are mainly:.

    1. For the Russian society and government to react against the more eccentric recent fashions of Western culture, is a costless national "brand differentiation".

    If English say "we love capitalism", and in Russia "we love communism" - as in the 20th century, this was a very costly and significant topic.

    On the other hand, if English say "we love gays", and in Russia everyone reacts "we don't love gays as much" - this differentiates Russia in terms of image and branding from the West, while requiring no cost, and little actual differences. Sexual minorities have less social approval, but otherwise are living just as safely as any citizen in Russia. But this allows the authorities in Russia to say "at least you don't have gay parades here!"

    2. Bourgeoisie is much higher proportion of the population in England, than in most of Russia. "Officially", median income of citizens of the Russian Federation is under 3500 rubles ($450). while median income of citizens of the UK is 2566 pounds ($3263).

    This is a significant economic difference, which results in a large part of the populations' developing different cultural and ideological tastes. There are millions of anglosaxon middle class and elite, in such a comfortable economic and social position, that they can be susceptible to messianic "virtue signalling".

    Among the bourgeoisie, there is a real demand to support LGBT, as one of the most costless and least controversial forms of virtue signalling . In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat - so there is no risk that people will be beaten in the street for their eccentricity.

    -

    Some institutions and companies in England, also seem use LGBT as a costless a virtue signalling to distract people from unpopular "oil investments", animal experimentation, etc.

    For example, Astra Zeneca experiments on hundreds of thousands of animals a year, but it's costlss to virtue signal with a rainbow flag.


    https://twitter.com/AstraZeneca/status/963054511433510912

    Cambridge University covers every building with rainbow flags to appear virtuous. But they have large investments in oil industry, so even with rainbow flags in the background, the leftists still attacked their lawn. (Although perhaps less aggressively, than if the lawn was not defended by the rainbow flag).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=HA7w9Bad3bA&ab_channel=GuardianNews

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Adûnâi, @Europe Europa

    , @Seraphim
    @Europe Europa

    Because Russians are still, to a greater extent than the 'white nationalists', normal people and a normal society. And indeed, the racial problem did not reach in Russia the degree of paranoid obsession like in America.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Hangnail Hans

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Europe Europa

    I see you are working hard to maintain your record of being wrong 100% of the time

    , @Pericles
    @Europe Europa


    but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags

     

    Why not watch an F1 race? You will see a few cars with faggy little rainbows clearly visible in the cockpit view. If memory serves, McLaren is one of the teams doing this. Not sure to what extent this is due to the driver though.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @songbird
    @Europe Europa

    In non-diverse societies, gayness is the carrier-wave for diversity. They will be the first people waving the rainbow flag. Though, I'm not sure how well Russians understand that.

    The normal attitude of Americans during the '80s, and I would say '90s was anti gay. It was normal to use the word "fag" as an insult. In the '80s, there were even many movies that did, such as Monster Squad and The Breakfast Club - although simultaneously other movies were trying to normalize gays. I believe Russians are just maintaining this traditional attitude, perhaps somewhat magnified by the knowledge that the West has turned homo.

  28. @Europe Europa
    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there's no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I'm not saying Western nationalists don't see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Hyperborean, @AnonFromTN, @Dmitry, @Seraphim, @Kent Nationalist, @Pericles, @songbird

    Are you gay?

  29. @Europe Europa
    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there's no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I'm not saying Western nationalists don't see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Hyperborean, @AnonFromTN, @Dmitry, @Seraphim, @Kent Nationalist, @Pericles, @songbird

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay

    Maybe not so off-topic:

    LEWIS Hamilton has appeared on the cover of British GQ wearing a kilt in response to the controversy he sparked at Christmas, when he told his nephew that “boys don’t wear dresses”.

    In December last year, the F1 driver, 33, an avid user of social media, sparked outrage when he shared a video on Instagram berating his young nephew Kaiden for wearing a pink and purple princess dress.

    The clip opened with Lewis filming himself saying: “I’m so sad right now…look at my nephew.” Hamilton then turned the camera on his nephew, who looked over the moon while waving a wand.

    He then asked his nephew: “Why are you wearing a princess dress? Is this what you got for Christmas? Why did you ask for a princess dress for Christmas, boys don’t wear princess dresses!”

    As an ‘Instagram Story’, the video dropped off the social network within 24 hours but it was preserved by others on YouTube.

    Hamilton later apologised, saying that his nephew should feel “free to express himself as we all should.”

    He wrote: “Yesterday I was playing around with my nephew and realised that my words were inappropriate so I removed the post. I meant no harm and did not mean to offend anyone at all.

    “I love that my nephew feels free to express himself as we all should. ‘My deepest apologies for my behaviour as I realise it is really not acceptable for anyone, no matter where you are from, to marginalise or stereotype anyone.

    “I have always been in support of anyone living their life exactly how they wish and I hope I can be forgiven for this lapse in judgement.”

    The racing driver has now gone even further to demonstrate his apparent repentance, donning a [tacky] patchwork tartan kilt, designed by Tommy Hilfiger, for which he is a brand ambassador, before swapping into a black kilt as an acknowledgement of his mistake.

    https://www.driving.co.uk/news/lifestyle/lewis-hamilton-wears-kilt-gq-cover-make-amends-mocking-nephew-wearing-dress/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bkm0GnzAedO/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=91E85513-29CC-4172-9F05-43DA542442A0

  30. Lewis Hamilton wore a shirt saying “Arrest the cops who killed Breonna Taylor” on the podium at the last F1 race. About a decade ago a Turkish representative saying something mildly pro-Turkish Cypriot on the podium led to the Turkish GP being cancelled for violating FIA rules on bringing politics into the sport. Needless to say, blacks, unlike Turks, can get away with anything.

    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality?

    It is the bourgeois degenerate West, not Russia or the Islamic world, that is obsessed with anal penetration.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @216
    @Matra

    Hamilton is half-black and not American.

    Normally this is called "foreign interference", like when Americans were informed that the "territorial integrity of China is non-negotiable even outside of China" after an NBA executive supported the HK protests.

    GayPride is a subversive vector, but I consider it to be tertiary behind other factors like feminism, secularism and multikult.

  31. @Matra
    Lewis Hamilton wore a shirt saying "Arrest the cops who killed Breonna Taylor" on the podium at the last F1 race. About a decade ago a Turkish representative saying something mildly pro-Turkish Cypriot on the podium led to the Turkish GP being cancelled for violating FIA rules on bringing politics into the sport. Needless to say, blacks, unlike Turks, can get away with anything.

    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality?

    It is the bourgeois degenerate West, not Russia or the Islamic world, that is obsessed with anal penetration.

    Replies: @216

    Hamilton is half-black and not American.

    Normally this is called “foreign interference”, like when Americans were informed that the “territorial integrity of China is non-negotiable even outside of China” after an NBA executive supported the HK protests.

    GayPride is a subversive vector, but I consider it to be tertiary behind other factors like feminism, secularism and multikult.

  32. I honestly despise all current Aryan nations. I had once thought higher of Belarus. But in the end, they’re all the same – children of anarchy, wanting a piece of the Holy Burger.

    She does not plan to reproduce, because “birth is disgusting, and so are my genes.”

    I know that Russians love the word “child-free”, for one. And an approximation for Karen in Russia is “onejematy” – “she’samother”. On the one hand, it’s their expression of anti-feminism, on the other, it’s open hatred of and clear contempt for motherhood.
    https://www.quora.com/What-would-be-a-Karen-in-Russia/answer/Dmitry-Budko-1

    These East Slavic peculiarities remind me of Megalia, the Christian Korean sect of women who get pregnant to abort the fetuses. “birth is disgusting, and so are my genes.” – this is not what an American would openly say. Even though the centre of the Free World, America may paradoxically be more timid in certain respects than its colonies.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @216
    @Adûnâi


    Even though the centre of the Free World, America may paradoxically be more timid in certain respects than its colonies.
     
    Bluestan is not America.

    Redstan is the real America.

    An occupied nation, denied the self-determination promised to all by Woodrow Wilson.
  33. @Europe Europa
    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there's no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I'm not saying Western nationalists don't see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Hyperborean, @AnonFromTN, @Dmitry, @Seraphim, @Kent Nationalist, @Pericles, @songbird

    I’m not saying Western nationalists don’t see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Maybe because there is no mass immigration to Russia from incompatible cultures, and therefore no race issue? Whereas gay propaganda from the Empire and its vassals exists.

    • Replies: @216
    @AnonFromTN

    https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/08/orthodox-christianity-in-the-21st-century/

    The percentage favoring female ordination in Russia isn't that far from what Catholics in the US favor. (Mainline Prots are all converged).

    I don't know the specifics of subversive organizations within Eastern Orthodoxy, nor how well they are funded abroad. So I don't know if this is the product of foreign influence or locally-derived heresy.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @The Big Red Scary

  34. @Europe Europa
    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there's no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I'm not saying Western nationalists don't see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Hyperborean, @AnonFromTN, @Dmitry, @Seraphim, @Kent Nationalist, @Pericles, @songbird

    There is more obsession about homosexuality in Great Britain, than in Russia.

    The reasons for the cultural difference in embracing of LGBT, between Great Britain and Russia, are mainly:.

    1. For the Russian society and government to react against the more eccentric recent fashions of Western culture, is a costless national “brand differentiation”.

    If English say “we love capitalism”, and in Russia “we love communism” – as in the 20th century, this was a very costly and significant topic.

    On the other hand, if English say “we love gays”, and in Russia everyone reacts “we don’t love gays as much” – this differentiates Russia in terms of image and branding from the West, while requiring no cost, and little actual differences. Sexual minorities have less social approval, but otherwise are living just as safely as any citizen in Russia. But this allows the authorities in Russia to say “at least you don’t have gay parades here!”

    2. Bourgeoisie is much higher proportion of the population in England, than in most of Russia. “Officially”, median income of citizens of the Russian Federation is under 3500 rubles ($450). while median income of citizens of the UK is 2566 pounds ($3263).

    This is a significant economic difference, which results in a large part of the populations’ developing different cultural and ideological tastes. There are millions of anglosaxon middle class and elite, in such a comfortable economic and social position, that they can be susceptible to messianic “virtue signalling”.

    Among the bourgeoisie, there is a real demand to support LGBT, as one of the most costless and least controversial forms of virtue signalling . In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat – so there is no risk that people will be beaten in the street for their eccentricity.

    Some institutions and companies in England, also seem use LGBT as a costless a virtue signalling to distract people from unpopular “oil investments”, animal experimentation, etc.

    For example, Astra Zeneca experiments on hundreds of thousands of animals a year, but it’s costlss to virtue signal with a rainbow flag.

    Cambridge University covers every building with rainbow flags to appear virtuous. But they have large investments in oil industry, so even with rainbow flags in the background, the leftists still attacked their lawn. (Although perhaps less aggressively, than if the lawn was not defended by the rainbow flag).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=HA7w9Bad3bA&ab_channel=GuardianNews

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    “Officially”, median income of citizens of the Russian Federation is under 3500 rubles ($450). while median income of citizens of the UK is 2566 pounds ($3263).
     
    *typo 35000 rubles ($450)

    Per month (note - unofficial income in Russia will be higher than officially reported income).

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    , @Adûnâi
    @Dmitry

    > "Among the bourgeoisie, there is a real demand to support LGBT, as one of the most costless and least controversial forms of virtue signalling."

    Such analyses are missing the CRUX of the matter - Why is venerating faggots a virtue in the first place? The answer: because Jesus the Jew said so.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    , @Europe Europa
    @Dmitry


    In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat
     
    I'm not sure the idea that all British people are rich bourgeoisie types is very accurate, with the exception of London most major British cities have a large native working class population and surely the large immigrant populations mostly count as a proletariat?

    At the end of the day the "chav" and football hooligan stereotypes don't exist for nothing, so the idea that Britain is a bourgeoisie country with no proletariat seems highly inaccurate.

    Maybe the average native British person seems like a super rich bourgeoisie type compared to the average Russian. I don't know, maybe a native British "chav" on benefits who lives in social housing and spends most of their money on cigarettes and alcohol seems bourgeoisie compared to the average Russian?

    Replies: @Sya Beerens, @Dmitry

  35. @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    There is more obsession about homosexuality in Great Britain, than in Russia.

    The reasons for the cultural difference in embracing of LGBT, between Great Britain and Russia, are mainly:.

    1. For the Russian society and government to react against the more eccentric recent fashions of Western culture, is a costless national "brand differentiation".

    If English say "we love capitalism", and in Russia "we love communism" - as in the 20th century, this was a very costly and significant topic.

    On the other hand, if English say "we love gays", and in Russia everyone reacts "we don't love gays as much" - this differentiates Russia in terms of image and branding from the West, while requiring no cost, and little actual differences. Sexual minorities have less social approval, but otherwise are living just as safely as any citizen in Russia. But this allows the authorities in Russia to say "at least you don't have gay parades here!"

    2. Bourgeoisie is much higher proportion of the population in England, than in most of Russia. "Officially", median income of citizens of the Russian Federation is under 3500 rubles ($450). while median income of citizens of the UK is 2566 pounds ($3263).

    This is a significant economic difference, which results in a large part of the populations' developing different cultural and ideological tastes. There are millions of anglosaxon middle class and elite, in such a comfortable economic and social position, that they can be susceptible to messianic "virtue signalling".

    Among the bourgeoisie, there is a real demand to support LGBT, as one of the most costless and least controversial forms of virtue signalling . In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat - so there is no risk that people will be beaten in the street for their eccentricity.

    -

    Some institutions and companies in England, also seem use LGBT as a costless a virtue signalling to distract people from unpopular "oil investments", animal experimentation, etc.

    For example, Astra Zeneca experiments on hundreds of thousands of animals a year, but it's costlss to virtue signal with a rainbow flag.


    https://twitter.com/AstraZeneca/status/963054511433510912

    Cambridge University covers every building with rainbow flags to appear virtuous. But they have large investments in oil industry, so even with rainbow flags in the background, the leftists still attacked their lawn. (Although perhaps less aggressively, than if the lawn was not defended by the rainbow flag).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=HA7w9Bad3bA&ab_channel=GuardianNews

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Adûnâi, @Europe Europa

    “Officially”, median income of citizens of the Russian Federation is under 3500 rubles ($450). while median income of citizens of the UK is 2566 pounds ($3263).

    *typo 35000 rubles ($450)

    Per month (note – unofficial income in Russia will be higher than officially reported income).

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Dmitry


    Per month (note – unofficial income would be higher than official one).
     
    There are more significant differences than official vs unofficial. BTW, unofficial income is not a specific Russian phenomenon: in many European countries vendors and others prefer cash, which is an unofficial income, as it is not reported and taxed.

    There are taxes: income tax is 10% in Russia and higher (often manifold higher) in Europe, and even in the US. There are costs of apartment rent, which is comparable to Nashville in Moscow, but many times lower elsewhere in Russia. There is semi-free health care in Russia, which is more expensive in most European countries, and outrageously expensive in the US. The costs of college follow the same pattern. Utilities and food are way cheaper in Russia than in the US or Europe. There are many other things that make real living standards in “rich” US no more than 2-3 times as high as in Russia. As far as Europe goes, living standards in many countries (e.g., Greece, most of Italy, Spain, or Portugal) are lower than in Moscow, and not much higher than Russian average.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  36. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    “Officially”, median income of citizens of the Russian Federation is under 3500 rubles ($450). while median income of citizens of the UK is 2566 pounds ($3263).
     
    *typo 35000 rubles ($450)

    Per month (note - unofficial income in Russia will be higher than officially reported income).

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    Per month (note – unofficial income would be higher than official one).

    There are more significant differences than official vs unofficial. BTW, unofficial income is not a specific Russian phenomenon: in many European countries vendors and others prefer cash, which is an unofficial income, as it is not reported and taxed.

    There are taxes: income tax is 10% in Russia and higher (often manifold higher) in Europe, and even in the US. There are costs of apartment rent, which is comparable to Nashville in Moscow, but many times lower elsewhere in Russia. There is semi-free health care in Russia, which is more expensive in most European countries, and outrageously expensive in the US. The costs of college follow the same pattern. Utilities and food are way cheaper in Russia than in the US or Europe. There are many other things that make real living standards in “rich” US no more than 2-3 times as high as in Russia. As far as Europe goes, living standards in many countries (e.g., Greece, most of Italy, Spain, or Portugal) are lower than in Moscow, and not much higher than Russian average.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AnonFromTN

    Income does not say the complete story (even if we had known the unofficial ones).

    And there has been enough money in Russia that there are gay hipster pockets (i.e. central Moscow). But there is nothing like those parts of Western Europe where we can see that LGBT became a ruling ideology.

    Even if you are liberal, when you go to Western Europe, you will experience a culture shock.

    -

    When you see what the people look like, and how they behave - then the social ideology in Western Europe seems very logical, though, as it matches the lifestyle.

    This is what the educated English youth of the 21st century look like (what kind of ideologies would be attractive for people from such a gentle and polite environment).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opk2HGN3kV8

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Kent Nationalist, @AnonFromTN

  37. @Adûnâi
    I honestly despise all current Aryan nations. I had once thought higher of Belarus. But in the end, they're all the same - children of anarchy, wanting a piece of the Holy Burger.

    She does not plan to reproduce, because “birth is disgusting, and so are my genes.”
     
    I know that Russians love the word "child-free", for one. And an approximation for Karen in Russia is "onejematy" - "she'samother". On the one hand, it's their expression of anti-feminism, on the other, it's open hatred of and clear contempt for motherhood.
    https://www.quora.com/What-would-be-a-Karen-in-Russia/answer/Dmitry-Budko-1

    These East Slavic peculiarities remind me of Megalia, the Christian Korean sect of women who get pregnant to abort the fetuses. “birth is disgusting, and so are my genes.” - this is not what an American would openly say. Even though the centre of the Free World, America may paradoxically be more timid in certain respects than its colonies.

    Replies: @216

    Even though the centre of the Free World, America may paradoxically be more timid in certain respects than its colonies.

    Bluestan is not America.

    Redstan is the real America.

    An occupied nation, denied the self-determination promised to all by Woodrow Wilson.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  38. @AnonFromTN
    @Europe Europa


    I’m not saying Western nationalists don’t see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.
     
    Maybe because there is no mass immigration to Russia from incompatible cultures, and therefore no race issue? Whereas gay propaganda from the Empire and its vassals exists.

    Replies: @216

    https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/08/orthodox-christianity-in-the-21st-century/

    The percentage favoring female ordination in Russia isn’t that far from what Catholics in the US favor. (Mainline Prots are all converged).

    I don’t know the specifics of subversive organizations within Eastern Orthodoxy, nor how well they are funded abroad. So I don’t know if this is the product of foreign influence or locally-derived heresy.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @216

    The article claims that Armenians and Ethiopians are "Orthodox". I somehow doubt the quality of their reporting, lol.

    , @The Big Red Scary
    @216

    In Russia, most people consider themselves Orthodox Christians (around 70%?), while very few go to Sunday liturgy even once a month (around 5%?).

    So I expect that Pew survey to be heavily biased to people who have little skin in the game and who perhaps wouldn't mind turning the Russian Orthodox Church into yet another matriarchal post-Soviet bureaucracy.

    Meanwhile, those who actually go to church are likely to hear a sermon on how we must make our children get married young and have many children, so that we can abolish the nanny state-- as I did a few Sundays ago.

    During the quarantine, we prayed at home on Sunday mornings. One morning, my wife suddenly screamed as a spider approached across the floor, then remarked "And now I understand, once and for all, why women can't be priests."

  39. @Europe Europa
    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there's no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I'm not saying Western nationalists don't see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Hyperborean, @AnonFromTN, @Dmitry, @Seraphim, @Kent Nationalist, @Pericles, @songbird

    Because Russians are still, to a greater extent than the ‘white nationalists’, normal people and a normal society. And indeed, the racial problem did not reach in Russia the degree of paranoid obsession like in America.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Seraphim

    Well, why would it?

    In "American" terms, Russia is 95% "white" with a few clusters of culturally by and large assimilated "Asians."

    It is reasonable for Amerimutts and for that matter, increasingly, Europe, to be more racially obsessed than Russians. But Russia needs to take care not to follow them on that path (of creating the conditions where such obsessions become reasonable and rational).

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @Seraphim

    They never experienced blacks. Blacks are so traumatic to a country that elimination is needed. This elimination is not politically possible in a multiracial empire.

    Replies: @Seraphim

  40. @AnonFromTN
    @Dmitry


    Per month (note – unofficial income would be higher than official one).
     
    There are more significant differences than official vs unofficial. BTW, unofficial income is not a specific Russian phenomenon: in many European countries vendors and others prefer cash, which is an unofficial income, as it is not reported and taxed.

    There are taxes: income tax is 10% in Russia and higher (often manifold higher) in Europe, and even in the US. There are costs of apartment rent, which is comparable to Nashville in Moscow, but many times lower elsewhere in Russia. There is semi-free health care in Russia, which is more expensive in most European countries, and outrageously expensive in the US. The costs of college follow the same pattern. Utilities and food are way cheaper in Russia than in the US or Europe. There are many other things that make real living standards in “rich” US no more than 2-3 times as high as in Russia. As far as Europe goes, living standards in many countries (e.g., Greece, most of Italy, Spain, or Portugal) are lower than in Moscow, and not much higher than Russian average.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Income does not say the complete story (even if we had known the unofficial ones).

    And there has been enough money in Russia that there are gay hipster pockets (i.e. central Moscow). But there is nothing like those parts of Western Europe where we can see that LGBT became a ruling ideology.

    Even if you are liberal, when you go to Western Europe, you will experience a culture shock.

    When you see what the people look like, and how they behave – then the social ideology in Western Europe seems very logical, though, as it matches the lifestyle.

    This is what the educated English youth of the 21st century look like (what kind of ideologies would be attractive for people from such a gentle and polite environment).

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @Dmitry

    Oxbridge has been gentle and polite for centuries, and while buggery has a long history there, it was traditionally considered shameful and, until recently, illegal.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Dmitry


    what kind of ideologies would be attractive for people from such a gentle and polite environment
     
    The empirical evidence shows the answer was Stalinism
    , @AnonFromTN
    @Dmitry

    Your analysis is too Marxist. Attitudes of the sheeple (including relatively wealthy sheeple) are determined less by material well-being than by prevailing propaganda (spread 24/7 by bought and paid for MSM, wholly owned by the moneyed elites), which intellectually inferior people believe. Real living standards of the majority of the populace in the US were higher in the 1980s than now. Yet back then prevailing culture was homophobic. It still is among the “silent majority”, but there is vocal minority in service of globohomo trying to normalize sexual deviancies, mostly in big “liberal” cities.

    I know this first-hand from many sources. I know that anecdotal evidence does not prove anything, so this is purely for illustration purposes. When I told my grad student ~15 years ago that in Russia a man with an earring would be seen as gay, stupid, or both, she told me that in her state (one of the Midwestern “fly-over” states) the perception would be exactly the same.

    Being a biologist, I know for sure that there are only two sexes in nature (in animals, plants, and even single-cell organisms). Sex emerged in evolution to mix genes, therefore it made sense only when it resulted in progeny. So, to me the narrative that gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as credible as the idea that the Moon is made of cheese. But most people are woefully uneducated, and the majority of “educated” people know next to nothing about biology. So, they are easily fooled. Goebbels articulated how the fooling should be done long ago: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth”. Not much changed since then.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @Hangnail Hans, @Dmitry

  41. @Europe Europa
    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there's no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I'm not saying Western nationalists don't see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Hyperborean, @AnonFromTN, @Dmitry, @Seraphim, @Kent Nationalist, @Pericles, @songbird

    I see you are working hard to maintain your record of being wrong 100% of the time

  42. The “Read Another Book” demographic was also out in force.

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  43. @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    There is more obsession about homosexuality in Great Britain, than in Russia.

    The reasons for the cultural difference in embracing of LGBT, between Great Britain and Russia, are mainly:.

    1. For the Russian society and government to react against the more eccentric recent fashions of Western culture, is a costless national "brand differentiation".

    If English say "we love capitalism", and in Russia "we love communism" - as in the 20th century, this was a very costly and significant topic.

    On the other hand, if English say "we love gays", and in Russia everyone reacts "we don't love gays as much" - this differentiates Russia in terms of image and branding from the West, while requiring no cost, and little actual differences. Sexual minorities have less social approval, but otherwise are living just as safely as any citizen in Russia. But this allows the authorities in Russia to say "at least you don't have gay parades here!"

    2. Bourgeoisie is much higher proportion of the population in England, than in most of Russia. "Officially", median income of citizens of the Russian Federation is under 3500 rubles ($450). while median income of citizens of the UK is 2566 pounds ($3263).

    This is a significant economic difference, which results in a large part of the populations' developing different cultural and ideological tastes. There are millions of anglosaxon middle class and elite, in such a comfortable economic and social position, that they can be susceptible to messianic "virtue signalling".

    Among the bourgeoisie, there is a real demand to support LGBT, as one of the most costless and least controversial forms of virtue signalling . In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat - so there is no risk that people will be beaten in the street for their eccentricity.

    -

    Some institutions and companies in England, also seem use LGBT as a costless a virtue signalling to distract people from unpopular "oil investments", animal experimentation, etc.

    For example, Astra Zeneca experiments on hundreds of thousands of animals a year, but it's costlss to virtue signal with a rainbow flag.


    https://twitter.com/AstraZeneca/status/963054511433510912

    Cambridge University covers every building with rainbow flags to appear virtuous. But they have large investments in oil industry, so even with rainbow flags in the background, the leftists still attacked their lawn. (Although perhaps less aggressively, than if the lawn was not defended by the rainbow flag).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=HA7w9Bad3bA&ab_channel=GuardianNews

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Adûnâi, @Europe Europa

    > “Among the bourgeoisie, there is a real demand to support LGBT, as one of the most costless and least controversial forms of virtue signalling.”

    Such analyses are missing the CRUX of the matter – Why is venerating faggots a virtue in the first place? The answer: because Jesus the Jew said so.

    • Troll: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Adûnâi


    Why is venerating faggots a virtue in the first place? The answer: because Jesus the Jew said so.
     
    You are 50% right (i.e., 50% wrong). Jesus was a Jew (even by most conservative Jewish Orthodox rules: his mother was a Jewess), but he never condoned sexual deviance of any kind. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament is as anti-gay as Saudi laws.

    Replies: @Adûnâi

  44. @Europe Europa
    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there's no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I'm not saying Western nationalists don't see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Hyperborean, @AnonFromTN, @Dmitry, @Seraphim, @Kent Nationalist, @Pericles, @songbird

    but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags

    Why not watch an F1 race? You will see a few cars with faggy little rainbows clearly visible in the cockpit view. If memory serves, McLaren is one of the teams doing this. Not sure to what extent this is due to the driver though.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Pericles

    An example from practice at Sochi, since you ask. Gaze at the Rainbow of Many Perversions on the driver protection 'halo' on the McLaren below.

    https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/sutton/2020/Russia/Friday/1276592807.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg

    Replies: @Matra

  45. @songbird
    @Dmitry

    In the US, a weird system of graft exists to subsidize strange bookstores. In order to obtain a degree at many colleges, one is forced to take classes that satisfy diversity requirements. I have known many individuals forced to take gay subjects like modern dance, in order to satisfy these requirements. Students might spend over $700 on books/semester, and some are political books that they are forced to read, which are sold only at these strange stores.

    But that is the US, where college is insanely expensive. I don't know whether a similar system exists in the Anglosphere or Western Europe.

    There is a strange push of gay and black entertainment in general, which I do not think reflects the natural market. There seems to be a strange superabundance of gay movies made - I wonder if it is more than just political signaling, but some of it is done for socio-sexual reasons.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    I wonder if it is more than just political signaling, but some of it is done for socio-sexual reasons.

    No. They’re paying their tithe to Moloch. Be thankful these people don’t have kids.

  46. @216
    @AnonFromTN

    https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/08/orthodox-christianity-in-the-21st-century/

    The percentage favoring female ordination in Russia isn't that far from what Catholics in the US favor. (Mainline Prots are all converged).

    I don't know the specifics of subversive organizations within Eastern Orthodoxy, nor how well they are funded abroad. So I don't know if this is the product of foreign influence or locally-derived heresy.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @The Big Red Scary

    The article claims that Armenians and Ethiopians are “Orthodox”. I somehow doubt the quality of their reporting, lol.

  47. @songbird
    @The Big Red Scary

    I don't know if it is something men were meant to watch, but that doesn't make me an anti-natalist.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary

    I was not referring to birth.

    Birth as we know it is tied up with the tragedy of fallen nature. And yet it is a glorious miracle.

  48. @Dmitry
    @AnonFromTN

    Income does not say the complete story (even if we had known the unofficial ones).

    And there has been enough money in Russia that there are gay hipster pockets (i.e. central Moscow). But there is nothing like those parts of Western Europe where we can see that LGBT became a ruling ideology.

    Even if you are liberal, when you go to Western Europe, you will experience a culture shock.

    -

    When you see what the people look like, and how they behave - then the social ideology in Western Europe seems very logical, though, as it matches the lifestyle.

    This is what the educated English youth of the 21st century look like (what kind of ideologies would be attractive for people from such a gentle and polite environment).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opk2HGN3kV8

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Kent Nationalist, @AnonFromTN

    Oxbridge has been gentle and polite for centuries, and while buggery has a long history there, it was traditionally considered shameful and, until recently, illegal.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @The Big Red Scary

    If we look at a Western European university toilet:

    2 year ago, there was "men" and "women" toilets.

    Now there is "cubicles" (left) and "cubicles with urinals";

    https://i.imgur.com/lsqZOyl.jpg

    Would the ghosts that had once used this toilet, be angry?

    Most famous ghosts that had lived in this building, where we see non-binary toilets, are all seeming to be LGBT people like Alan Turing, Maynard Keynes, Ludwig Wittgenstein.

    So, perhaps there was a lot more real homosexuals there in the past, than today.

    But what we see today, is the use of LGBT ideology, for bourgeois virtue-signaling. Mainly the people who are support LGBT, are heterosexual.


    -


    Another unusual is that these bourgeois students, that promote LGBT, etc, are a lot less hedonist and more puritan, and perhaps boring, than an average working class or middle class youth. You could walk around at 1am in the area where there are only such accommodation, and on non-weekend streets almost completely empty, most quietly students are studying in their room.

    At night, living in such a student district (which sounds like it would be a bad idea), you hear people playing classical music (not rock music). Student neighbours are outside with telescopes talking about the milky way, etc (a lot of such youth are better behaved than my grandparents). This is the demographic who also add rainbow flags on their house - some of the world's more boring and quiet young people.

  49. @Dmitry
    @AnonFromTN

    Income does not say the complete story (even if we had known the unofficial ones).

    And there has been enough money in Russia that there are gay hipster pockets (i.e. central Moscow). But there is nothing like those parts of Western Europe where we can see that LGBT became a ruling ideology.

    Even if you are liberal, when you go to Western Europe, you will experience a culture shock.

    -

    When you see what the people look like, and how they behave - then the social ideology in Western Europe seems very logical, though, as it matches the lifestyle.

    This is what the educated English youth of the 21st century look like (what kind of ideologies would be attractive for people from such a gentle and polite environment).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opk2HGN3kV8

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Kent Nationalist, @AnonFromTN

    what kind of ideologies would be attractive for people from such a gentle and polite environment

    The empirical evidence shows the answer was Stalinism

    • LOL: Ano4, Blinky Bill
  50. @Seraphim
    @Europe Europa

    Because Russians are still, to a greater extent than the 'white nationalists', normal people and a normal society. And indeed, the racial problem did not reach in Russia the degree of paranoid obsession like in America.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Hangnail Hans

    Well, why would it?

    In “American” terms, Russia is 95% “white” with a few clusters of culturally by and large assimilated “Asians.”

    It is reasonable for Amerimutts and for that matter, increasingly, Europe, to be more racially obsessed than Russians. But Russia needs to take care not to follow them on that path (of creating the conditions where such obsessions become reasonable and rational).

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In my experience Russian and other Slavic nationalists usually go out of their way to emphasise they're "NOT racist", most "hardcore" racialists are usually Western nationalists. Most seem to be what Western nationalists would call "civ nats", ie mostly concerned with issues of cultural values, language and religion.

    It seems to me that most Slavs look at "racism" and ethnic strife as a uniquely Western social ill, as a product of the Anglo/Germanic mindset in particular and definitely not as something very applicable to them.

    It doesn't seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.

    Replies: @Exile, @Hyperborean, @Undocumented Shopper

  51. @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    There is more obsession about homosexuality in Great Britain, than in Russia.

    The reasons for the cultural difference in embracing of LGBT, between Great Britain and Russia, are mainly:.

    1. For the Russian society and government to react against the more eccentric recent fashions of Western culture, is a costless national "brand differentiation".

    If English say "we love capitalism", and in Russia "we love communism" - as in the 20th century, this was a very costly and significant topic.

    On the other hand, if English say "we love gays", and in Russia everyone reacts "we don't love gays as much" - this differentiates Russia in terms of image and branding from the West, while requiring no cost, and little actual differences. Sexual minorities have less social approval, but otherwise are living just as safely as any citizen in Russia. But this allows the authorities in Russia to say "at least you don't have gay parades here!"

    2. Bourgeoisie is much higher proportion of the population in England, than in most of Russia. "Officially", median income of citizens of the Russian Federation is under 3500 rubles ($450). while median income of citizens of the UK is 2566 pounds ($3263).

    This is a significant economic difference, which results in a large part of the populations' developing different cultural and ideological tastes. There are millions of anglosaxon middle class and elite, in such a comfortable economic and social position, that they can be susceptible to messianic "virtue signalling".

    Among the bourgeoisie, there is a real demand to support LGBT, as one of the most costless and least controversial forms of virtue signalling . In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat - so there is no risk that people will be beaten in the street for their eccentricity.

    -

    Some institutions and companies in England, also seem use LGBT as a costless a virtue signalling to distract people from unpopular "oil investments", animal experimentation, etc.

    For example, Astra Zeneca experiments on hundreds of thousands of animals a year, but it's costlss to virtue signal with a rainbow flag.


    https://twitter.com/AstraZeneca/status/963054511433510912

    Cambridge University covers every building with rainbow flags to appear virtuous. But they have large investments in oil industry, so even with rainbow flags in the background, the leftists still attacked their lawn. (Although perhaps less aggressively, than if the lawn was not defended by the rainbow flag).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=HA7w9Bad3bA&ab_channel=GuardianNews

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Adûnâi, @Europe Europa

    In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat

    I’m not sure the idea that all British people are rich bourgeoisie types is very accurate, with the exception of London most major British cities have a large native working class population and surely the large immigrant populations mostly count as a proletariat?

    At the end of the day the “chav” and football hooligan stereotypes don’t exist for nothing, so the idea that Britain is a bourgeoisie country with no proletariat seems highly inaccurate.

    Maybe the average native British person seems like a super rich bourgeoisie type compared to the average Russian. I don’t know, maybe a native British “chav” on benefits who lives in social housing and spends most of their money on cigarettes and alcohol seems bourgeoisie compared to the average Russian?

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
    @Europe Europa

    British tourists......

    , @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    There is a lot of proletariat living in some English cities, but there are other ones you can see, that predominantly seem to be without them (except for some days of a week).

    This is (not my photo) image of Glasgow in Scotland - looking at its beautiful architecture I can imagine how hipsters are beaten in its streets.

    https://www.urbanrealm.com/images/news/newspic_4565.jpg

    But if you visit the cities, which look like they are designed by magical elves - the culture is a predominantly middle class and above.

    It's cities of Western Europe, which look like some hogwarts, where there is almost lack of proleteriat, and LGBT has become the most fashionable ideology.

    https://twitter.com/JoeCookJ/status/1224358820446720000

    Replies: @Ano4, @Pericles

  52. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Seraphim

    Well, why would it?

    In "American" terms, Russia is 95% "white" with a few clusters of culturally by and large assimilated "Asians."

    It is reasonable for Amerimutts and for that matter, increasingly, Europe, to be more racially obsessed than Russians. But Russia needs to take care not to follow them on that path (of creating the conditions where such obsessions become reasonable and rational).

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    In my experience Russian and other Slavic nationalists usually go out of their way to emphasise they’re “NOT racist”, most “hardcore” racialists are usually Western nationalists. Most seem to be what Western nationalists would call “civ nats”, ie mostly concerned with issues of cultural values, language and religion.

    It seems to me that most Slavs look at “racism” and ethnic strife as a uniquely Western social ill, as a product of the Anglo/Germanic mindset in particular and definitely not as something very applicable to them.

    It doesn’t seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.

    • Replies: @Exile
    @Europe Europa

    I agree - I've said much the same here. Full disclosure - Western WN of Belarussian & Irish descent. I've lived in Russia and it's clear that they have a different zeitgeist to their nationalism.

    It's a matter of circumstances. There is no appreciable level of "anti-Whiteness" in Russia compared with that of muh West. A Russian nationalist sees a ton of Russophobia in the world and on his own doorstep, particularly in places like St. Petersberg or Moscow. BLM - not so much.

    Ethnic White Russians have historically maintained their dominance over other ethnic groups in Russia, the heydey of (((Bolshevism))) aside.

    There was no "civil rights era" for non-Whites, no Hart-Celler importation of swarthy replacement Russians. And no religion of Holocaustianity to which Russians bent the knee either.

    Different tribes, different circumstances. Western WN's who fail to recognize this are talking past Russians who should be our allies in terms of multipolarism and anti-GloboShlomo issues but aren't going all-in for our parochial red-button issues.

    , @Hyperborean
    @Europe Europa


    In my experience Russian and other Slavic nationalists usually go out of their way to emphasise they’re “NOT racist”, most “hardcore” racialists are usually Western nationalists. Most seem to be what Western nationalists would call “civ nats”, ie mostly concerned with issues of cultural values, language and religion.
     
    From 2017:

    WARSAW — Tens of thousands of people marched in Warsaw Saturday at a Polish Independence Day celebration led by three radical-nationalist groups, with banners calling for "White Europe" and "Clean Blood."

    Police estimated the crowd at 60,000, and photos of the throngs in the Polish capital, including neo-fascists in balaclavas, marching in a haze of red smoke from firecrackers, provided dramatic images from a country where millions of people died in concentration camps in World War II.

    [...]

    At a 6 p.m. news conference, after the march ended, Interior Minister Mariusz Błaszczak said: "There were no incidents.” But he refused to acknowledge that there were racist slogans at the march "It's only your opinion, because you behave like a political activist,” he told a reporter who asked about the widely-documented banners and chants.

    Among those slogans were: "White Europe of Brotherly Nations," "Europe will be white or uninhabited," "Clear blood, sober mind," and "No to Islam."

     

    https://www.politico.eu/article/white-nationalists-call-for-ethnic-purity-at-polish-independence-day-march/
    , @Undocumented Shopper
    @Europe Europa


    It doesn’t seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.
     
    There is a big difference between those countries that had colonial empires and the countries that did not, and Slavic countries did not. Moreover, most Slavic countries experienced loss of sovereignty at some point in their history, so they see themselves as victims.

    Instead of colonialism/racism, anti-Semitism is the main hammer that's used to make them feel guilty and at least as far as intellectuals are concerned, it works.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Adûnâi

  53. Belarussians can partner with the Russians or live (literally) under the Rainbow Flag of the US/Israel/NATO coalition – there isn’t a third option.

    And that second option isn’t much of one either. Rainbow flags in Minsk? I can hear the ancestors raging in the heavens.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  54. @Europe Europa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In my experience Russian and other Slavic nationalists usually go out of their way to emphasise they're "NOT racist", most "hardcore" racialists are usually Western nationalists. Most seem to be what Western nationalists would call "civ nats", ie mostly concerned with issues of cultural values, language and religion.

    It seems to me that most Slavs look at "racism" and ethnic strife as a uniquely Western social ill, as a product of the Anglo/Germanic mindset in particular and definitely not as something very applicable to them.

    It doesn't seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.

    Replies: @Exile, @Hyperborean, @Undocumented Shopper

    I agree – I’ve said much the same here. Full disclosure – Western WN of Belarussian & Irish descent. I’ve lived in Russia and it’s clear that they have a different zeitgeist to their nationalism.

    It’s a matter of circumstances. There is no appreciable level of “anti-Whiteness” in Russia compared with that of muh West. A Russian nationalist sees a ton of Russophobia in the world and on his own doorstep, particularly in places like St. Petersberg or Moscow. BLM – not so much.

    Ethnic White Russians have historically maintained their dominance over other ethnic groups in Russia, the heydey of (((Bolshevism))) aside.

    There was no “civil rights era” for non-Whites, no Hart-Celler importation of swarthy replacement Russians. And no religion of Holocaustianity to which Russians bent the knee either.

    Different tribes, different circumstances. Western WN’s who fail to recognize this are talking past Russians who should be our allies in terms of multipolarism and anti-GloboShlomo issues but aren’t going all-in for our parochial red-button issues.

  55. @Europe Europa
    Why are Russians so obsessed with homosexuality? They seem to be more so than practically any other social issue.

    I read an article today about Russian F1 driver Vitaly Petrov criticising Lewis Hamilton for trying to force his BLM propaganda on everyone, which I agree with, but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags and forcing everyone to be gay, and then also claimed there is no racism in Russia, as if Russians just love multiculturalism and living in a racially mixed melting pot, just so long as there's no LGBT.

    Russians do seem oddly obsessed with and paranoid about LGBT, to a greater extent than racial issues it seems to me.

    I'm not saying Western nationalists don't see the LGBT agenda as a problem, but Western nationalists see mass immigration and racial issues as a much bigger issue than LGBT.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Hyperborean, @AnonFromTN, @Dmitry, @Seraphim, @Kent Nationalist, @Pericles, @songbird

    In non-diverse societies, gayness is the carrier-wave for diversity. They will be the first people waving the rainbow flag. Though, I’m not sure how well Russians understand that.

    The normal attitude of Americans during the ’80s, and I would say ’90s was anti gay. It was normal to use the word “fag” as an insult. In the ’80s, there were even many movies that did, such as Monster Squad and The Breakfast Club – although simultaneously other movies were trying to normalize gays. I believe Russians are just maintaining this traditional attitude, perhaps somewhat magnified by the knowledge that the West has turned homo.

  56. @216
    @AnonFromTN

    https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/08/orthodox-christianity-in-the-21st-century/

    The percentage favoring female ordination in Russia isn't that far from what Catholics in the US favor. (Mainline Prots are all converged).

    I don't know the specifics of subversive organizations within Eastern Orthodoxy, nor how well they are funded abroad. So I don't know if this is the product of foreign influence or locally-derived heresy.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @The Big Red Scary

    In Russia, most people consider themselves Orthodox Christians (around 70%?), while very few go to Sunday liturgy even once a month (around 5%?).

    So I expect that Pew survey to be heavily biased to people who have little skin in the game and who perhaps wouldn’t mind turning the Russian Orthodox Church into yet another matriarchal post-Soviet bureaucracy.

    Meanwhile, those who actually go to church are likely to hear a sermon on how we must make our children get married young and have many children, so that we can abolish the nanny state– as I did a few Sundays ago.

    During the quarantine, we prayed at home on Sunday mornings. One morning, my wife suddenly screamed as a spider approached across the floor, then remarked “And now I understand, once and for all, why women can’t be priests.”

    • Thanks: 216
  57. @Europe Europa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In my experience Russian and other Slavic nationalists usually go out of their way to emphasise they're "NOT racist", most "hardcore" racialists are usually Western nationalists. Most seem to be what Western nationalists would call "civ nats", ie mostly concerned with issues of cultural values, language and religion.

    It seems to me that most Slavs look at "racism" and ethnic strife as a uniquely Western social ill, as a product of the Anglo/Germanic mindset in particular and definitely not as something very applicable to them.

    It doesn't seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.

    Replies: @Exile, @Hyperborean, @Undocumented Shopper

    In my experience Russian and other Slavic nationalists usually go out of their way to emphasise they’re “NOT racist”, most “hardcore” racialists are usually Western nationalists. Most seem to be what Western nationalists would call “civ nats”, ie mostly concerned with issues of cultural values, language and religion.

    From 2017:

    WARSAW — Tens of thousands of people marched in Warsaw Saturday at a Polish Independence Day celebration led by three radical-nationalist groups, with banners calling for “White Europe” and “Clean Blood.”

    Police estimated the crowd at 60,000, and photos of the throngs in the Polish capital, including neo-fascists in balaclavas, marching in a haze of red smoke from firecrackers, provided dramatic images from a country where millions of people died in concentration camps in World War II.

    […]

    At a 6 p.m. news conference, after the march ended, Interior Minister Mariusz Błaszczak said: “There were no incidents.” But he refused to acknowledge that there were racist slogans at the march “It’s only your opinion, because you behave like a political activist,” he told a reporter who asked about the widely-documented banners and chants.

    Among those slogans were: “White Europe of Brotherly Nations,” “Europe will be white or uninhabited,” “Clear blood, sober mind,” and “No to Islam.”

    https://www.politico.eu/article/white-nationalists-call-for-ethnic-purity-at-polish-independence-day-march/

  58. @Adûnâi
    @Dmitry

    > "Among the bourgeoisie, there is a real demand to support LGBT, as one of the most costless and least controversial forms of virtue signalling."

    Such analyses are missing the CRUX of the matter - Why is venerating faggots a virtue in the first place? The answer: because Jesus the Jew said so.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    Why is venerating faggots a virtue in the first place? The answer: because Jesus the Jew said so.

    You are 50% right (i.e., 50% wrong). Jesus was a Jew (even by most conservative Jewish Orthodox rules: his mother was a Jewess), but he never condoned sexual deviance of any kind. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament is as anti-gay as Saudi laws.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    @AnonFromTN

    Galatians 3:28 openly propagates transvestitism.


    There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
     
    Matthew 10:35 is about the substitution of blood relations by memetic ties.

    For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
     
    Matthew 19:12 is about the virtue of castration.

    For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.
     
    Christianity is a trap.

    Replies: @Seraphim

  59. @Dmitry
    @AnonFromTN

    Income does not say the complete story (even if we had known the unofficial ones).

    And there has been enough money in Russia that there are gay hipster pockets (i.e. central Moscow). But there is nothing like those parts of Western Europe where we can see that LGBT became a ruling ideology.

    Even if you are liberal, when you go to Western Europe, you will experience a culture shock.

    -

    When you see what the people look like, and how they behave - then the social ideology in Western Europe seems very logical, though, as it matches the lifestyle.

    This is what the educated English youth of the 21st century look like (what kind of ideologies would be attractive for people from such a gentle and polite environment).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opk2HGN3kV8

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Kent Nationalist, @AnonFromTN

    Your analysis is too Marxist. Attitudes of the sheeple (including relatively wealthy sheeple) are determined less by material well-being than by prevailing propaganda (spread 24/7 by bought and paid for MSM, wholly owned by the moneyed elites), which intellectually inferior people believe. Real living standards of the majority of the populace in the US were higher in the 1980s than now. Yet back then prevailing culture was homophobic. It still is among the “silent majority”, but there is vocal minority in service of globohomo trying to normalize sexual deviancies, mostly in big “liberal” cities.

    I know this first-hand from many sources. I know that anecdotal evidence does not prove anything, so this is purely for illustration purposes. When I told my grad student ~15 years ago that in Russia a man with an earring would be seen as gay, stupid, or both, she told me that in her state (one of the Midwestern “fly-over” states) the perception would be exactly the same.

    Being a biologist, I know for sure that there are only two sexes in nature (in animals, plants, and even single-cell organisms). Sex emerged in evolution to mix genes, therefore it made sense only when it resulted in progeny. So, to me the narrative that gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as credible as the idea that the Moon is made of cheese. But most people are woefully uneducated, and the majority of “educated” people know next to nothing about biology. So, they are easily fooled. Goebbels articulated how the fooling should be done long ago: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth”. Not much changed since then.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @AnonFromTN


    Goebbels articulated how the fooling should be done long ago: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth”. Not much changed since then.

     

    Whether Fascist, Liberal or Communist, even if one's enemies may perceive one as a cartoon villain, people rarely see themselves as such.


    This is the most popular forged quotation.
    The full version:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Last I checked (December 2011), this shows up on 500,000 web pages and twenty published books (most of which are vanity press productions, evidence for the value of publishers who still believe in editors). It is attributed to Joseph Goebbels. No one ever gives a citation to the source. A fair number of web citations are to “Joseph M. Goebbels.” That wasn’t his middle initial. One book credits it to “Joseph Goebbels.”

    There are several hundred pages in German that cite the statement, but none give a source, and one site (perhaps the earliest) notes that is “retranslated from English.”

    Goebbels wouldn’t have said that in public. He always maintained that propaganda had to be truthful. That doesn't mean he didn’t lie, but it would be a pretty poor propagandist who publicly proclaimed that he was going to lie. I know of no evidence that he actually said it. I haven’t read everything Goebbels wrote, but I have been through a lot of it.

    The Nazis issued a weekly series of posters with inspiring quotations that were displayed throughout Germany. One from 1940 displays Goebbels’s alleged love of truth:

    https://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/images/misc/truth.jpg

    The truth is always stronger than the lie.

    Goebbels actually accused others of using the technique. In a 1941 article titled “Churchill’s Lie Factory,” he wrote:

    “One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”

    He accuses the English of the “big lie,” and suggests that, were he to use such a technique, he would not publicly announce it.

    [...]

    The false Goebbels quotation above is actually a take-off on Hitler's familiar statement in Mein Kampf, which is often misunderstood. Hitler stated:

    “In this they [the Jews] proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)

    Hitler is accusing the Jews in the Vienna press of this strategy. It is often taken as evidence that Hitler advocated the “Big Lie.” He is, in fact, accusing his enemies of lying.

    Now, Hitler was entirely willing to lie — but in public he insisted that he and his propaganda were truthful.
     
    https://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/falsenaziquotations.htm

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @AnonFromTN


    So, to me the narrative that gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as credible as the idea that the Moon is made of cheese.
     
    https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Research:_Intergenerational_Sexual_Behaviors_in_Animals

    Sexual behaviour in non-fertile combinations is normal for mammals, and is especially present in primates, forming the basis of much social behaviour.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    , @Dmitry
    @AnonFromTN


    Russia a man with an earring
     

    gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as
     
    Of course, there is no causal connection between the homosexual sex, and fashions to do with men wearing earring. However, when I was young, you didn't wear feminized fashions, unless you wanted to be attacked by local hooligans.

    My school was about 50% working class and 50% normal middle class, and when we were younger and small (before puberty) even some of older girls from a bad, criminal area, would try to beat you. Even our school girls would beat the gays of the Western European.

    But the environment in Western Europe, where they cover everything with a rainbow flag, is a totally different socioeconomic level. These are places where live almost no hooligans, and local proleteriat almost doesn't exist, and it seems almost like they were ethnically cleansed from some of these districts. In such places, you could walk in a pink dress every day, and nobody would be impolite enough to criticize you.

    Of course, the LGBT ideology is most popular in bourgeois Western European demographics, reflects gentle personality of this youth.


    -
    An even more funny trend of this youth, is that they dislike clapping, as it is considered too vulgar, impolite, or insensitive (to people with hearing problems).

    So in one of the famous universities of Western Europe, they have even now banned people clapping. (Instead they will jazz hands).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrVlrZX4UsI

    Replies: @Ano4

  60. @AnonFromTN
    @Dmitry

    Your analysis is too Marxist. Attitudes of the sheeple (including relatively wealthy sheeple) are determined less by material well-being than by prevailing propaganda (spread 24/7 by bought and paid for MSM, wholly owned by the moneyed elites), which intellectually inferior people believe. Real living standards of the majority of the populace in the US were higher in the 1980s than now. Yet back then prevailing culture was homophobic. It still is among the “silent majority”, but there is vocal minority in service of globohomo trying to normalize sexual deviancies, mostly in big “liberal” cities.

    I know this first-hand from many sources. I know that anecdotal evidence does not prove anything, so this is purely for illustration purposes. When I told my grad student ~15 years ago that in Russia a man with an earring would be seen as gay, stupid, or both, she told me that in her state (one of the Midwestern “fly-over” states) the perception would be exactly the same.

    Being a biologist, I know for sure that there are only two sexes in nature (in animals, plants, and even single-cell organisms). Sex emerged in evolution to mix genes, therefore it made sense only when it resulted in progeny. So, to me the narrative that gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as credible as the idea that the Moon is made of cheese. But most people are woefully uneducated, and the majority of “educated” people know next to nothing about biology. So, they are easily fooled. Goebbels articulated how the fooling should be done long ago: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth”. Not much changed since then.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @Hangnail Hans, @Dmitry

    Goebbels articulated how the fooling should be done long ago: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth”. Not much changed since then.

    Whether Fascist, Liberal or Communist, even if one’s enemies may perceive one as a cartoon villain, people rarely see themselves as such.

    This is the most popular forged quotation.
    The full version:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Last I checked (December 2011), this shows up on 500,000 web pages and twenty published books (most of which are vanity press productions, evidence for the value of publishers who still believe in editors). It is attributed to Joseph Goebbels. No one ever gives a citation to the source. A fair number of web citations are to “Joseph M. Goebbels.” That wasn’t his middle initial. One book credits it to “Joseph Goebbels.”

    There are several hundred pages in German that cite the statement, but none give a source, and one site (perhaps the earliest) notes that is “retranslated from English.”

    Goebbels wouldn’t have said that in public. He always maintained that propaganda had to be truthful. That doesn’t mean he didn’t lie, but it would be a pretty poor propagandist who publicly proclaimed that he was going to lie. I know of no evidence that he actually said it. I haven’t read everything Goebbels wrote, but I have been through a lot of it.

    The Nazis issued a weekly series of posters with inspiring quotations that were displayed throughout Germany. One from 1940 displays Goebbels’s alleged love of truth:

    The truth is always stronger than the lie.

    Goebbels actually accused others of using the technique. In a 1941 article titled “Churchill’s Lie Factory,” he wrote:

    “One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”

    He accuses the English of the “big lie,” and suggests that, were he to use such a technique, he would not publicly announce it.

    […]

    The false Goebbels quotation above is actually a take-off on Hitler’s familiar statement in Mein Kampf, which is often misunderstood. Hitler stated:

    “In this they [the Jews] proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)

    Hitler is accusing the Jews in the Vienna press of this strategy. It is often taken as evidence that Hitler advocated the “Big Lie.” He is, in fact, accusing his enemies of lying.

    Now, Hitler was entirely willing to lie — but in public he insisted that he and his propaganda were truthful.

    https://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/falsenaziquotations.htm

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Hyperborean

    Darn! I thought that Goebbels told the truth at least once. How naïve! My bad.

    With your evidence, I must acknowledge that Goebbels was just as bad as current Western propaganda: never a word of truth. Thanks!

  61. Speaking of LGBT, British leftists have had a soft spot for it for a long time. Here is an example from 1934:

    Letter to Stalin: “can a homosexual be in the Communist Party?”

    We reproduce here a letter that Harry Whyte (a British Communist Party member) wrote to Stalin in May 1934, in which Whyte posed the question: “can a homosexual be considered someone worthy of membership in the Communist Party?”.

    At the time, Whyte (himself homosexual) was working in Moscow at the Moscow Daily News. When he heard about the new law, he wrote a letter to Stalin asking him how he could justify it. Whyte pointed out how the new law was cancelling all the progress that had been made on such matters since the October Revolution.

    Found in the Soviet archives, on the first page of the letter is a note written by Stalin:

    “Archive. An idiot and a degenerate. J. Stalin.”

    Full article:
    https://www.marxist.com/letter-to-stalin-can-a-homosexual-be-in-the-communist-party.htm

  62. @Hyperborean
    @AnonFromTN


    Goebbels articulated how the fooling should be done long ago: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth”. Not much changed since then.

     

    Whether Fascist, Liberal or Communist, even if one's enemies may perceive one as a cartoon villain, people rarely see themselves as such.


    This is the most popular forged quotation.
    The full version:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Last I checked (December 2011), this shows up on 500,000 web pages and twenty published books (most of which are vanity press productions, evidence for the value of publishers who still believe in editors). It is attributed to Joseph Goebbels. No one ever gives a citation to the source. A fair number of web citations are to “Joseph M. Goebbels.” That wasn’t his middle initial. One book credits it to “Joseph Goebbels.”

    There are several hundred pages in German that cite the statement, but none give a source, and one site (perhaps the earliest) notes that is “retranslated from English.”

    Goebbels wouldn’t have said that in public. He always maintained that propaganda had to be truthful. That doesn't mean he didn’t lie, but it would be a pretty poor propagandist who publicly proclaimed that he was going to lie. I know of no evidence that he actually said it. I haven’t read everything Goebbels wrote, but I have been through a lot of it.

    The Nazis issued a weekly series of posters with inspiring quotations that were displayed throughout Germany. One from 1940 displays Goebbels’s alleged love of truth:

    https://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/images/misc/truth.jpg

    The truth is always stronger than the lie.

    Goebbels actually accused others of using the technique. In a 1941 article titled “Churchill’s Lie Factory,” he wrote:

    “One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”

    He accuses the English of the “big lie,” and suggests that, were he to use such a technique, he would not publicly announce it.

    [...]

    The false Goebbels quotation above is actually a take-off on Hitler's familiar statement in Mein Kampf, which is often misunderstood. Hitler stated:

    “In this they [the Jews] proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)

    Hitler is accusing the Jews in the Vienna press of this strategy. It is often taken as evidence that Hitler advocated the “Big Lie.” He is, in fact, accusing his enemies of lying.

    Now, Hitler was entirely willing to lie — but in public he insisted that he and his propaganda were truthful.
     
    https://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/falsenaziquotations.htm

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    Darn! I thought that Goebbels told the truth at least once. How naïve! My bad.

    With your evidence, I must acknowledge that Goebbels was just as bad as current Western propaganda: never a word of truth. Thanks!

  63. @AnonFromTN
    @Adûnâi


    Why is venerating faggots a virtue in the first place? The answer: because Jesus the Jew said so.
     
    You are 50% right (i.e., 50% wrong). Jesus was a Jew (even by most conservative Jewish Orthodox rules: his mother was a Jewess), but he never condoned sexual deviance of any kind. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament is as anti-gay as Saudi laws.

    Replies: @Adûnâi

    Galatians 3:28 openly propagates transvestitism.

    There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Matthew 10:35 is about the substitution of blood relations by memetic ties.

    For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

    Matthew 19:12 is about the virtue of castration.

    For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.

    Christianity is a trap.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @Adûnâi

    The answer is at #61.

  64. @Europe Europa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In my experience Russian and other Slavic nationalists usually go out of their way to emphasise they're "NOT racist", most "hardcore" racialists are usually Western nationalists. Most seem to be what Western nationalists would call "civ nats", ie mostly concerned with issues of cultural values, language and religion.

    It seems to me that most Slavs look at "racism" and ethnic strife as a uniquely Western social ill, as a product of the Anglo/Germanic mindset in particular and definitely not as something very applicable to them.

    It doesn't seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.

    Replies: @Exile, @Hyperborean, @Undocumented Shopper

    It doesn’t seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.

    There is a big difference between those countries that had colonial empires and the countries that did not, and Slavic countries did not. Moreover, most Slavic countries experienced loss of sovereignty at some point in their history, so they see themselves as victims.

    Instead of colonialism/racism, anti-Semitism is the main hammer that’s used to make them feel guilty and at least as far as intellectuals are concerned, it works.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Russia outside of the historic lands of the Kievan Rus is one big colonial empire, it even called itself the "Russian Empire" so the idea that Russia has no colonial history is a laughably absurd piece of historical revisionism.

    It seems to me that most people say British involvement in Ireland and even Scotland is colonialism, so by the same count Russian domination of its non-Russian regions is clearly colonialism too.

    Just because most of Russia's ethnic minorities are politically and economically unempowered, voiceless and don't have global heavyweights like the United States fighting their corner and funding them, as is the case with Ireland and the IRA, doesn't change the fact that what ethnic Russians have been engaged in for centuries is colonialism, and aggressively too.

    Honestly, it must take some brass neck and arrogance (or extreme ignorance) to say that a massive, multi-continental country like Russia that at its greatest extent stretched from Poland to Alaska, with vast numbers of ethnic minorities, has no colonial history when prior to the Russian revolution it even called itself a bloody empire!

    Replies: @Adûnâi, @Matra

    , @Adûnâi
    @Undocumented Shopper

    > "Instead of colonialism/racism, anti-Semitism is the main hammer that’s used to make them feel guilty and at least as far as intellectuals are concerned, it works."

    No. I have been musing on the subject over the past few days. The issues with Russia are such:

    1) Russia cannot exist without Ukraine;
    2) we have not seen a republican Russia without Putin;
    3) Russia has to rediscover its respect for its government if it is to survive.

    The main point is (3). Yes, you are right that Russians do not hate themselves as individuals, the way American Aryans despise their own blood. And yet, Russians still hate "themselves" - their own country, their own president, their own government, and for all the wrong reasons. A large subset of the population holds in contempt everything non-Western and non-capitalist. Another part cannot truly trust Putin because he did not annex Novorussia/Donbass in 2014, because he did not bring back Soviet Socialism by putting all the fat kikes in prison, because the roads/alcoholism/police/rural areas are bad, etc.

    Russia must bring back its own self-esteem as a nation, or it is lost. One way or another. One way is to conquer Eastern Europe, which is quite impossible. Another is to go homosexual, and that is unnatural (and what to do with LGBT when America inevitably keels over and dies?). After Putin passes away, either bringing back Socialism and/or going full Fascist Orthodox theocracy might be bloody, and the result might be disintegrating.

    This is why I do not see a future where Russia survives to 2100 CE. What will remain of European Russia will probably move their capital to Novgorod and join the last Aryan stronghold on the planet in Mitteleuropa against Eurabia and Turkey.
    https://aduunaai.wordpress.com/2020/09/22/the-world-in-2100-ce-by-adunai/

    Replies: @Ano4

  65. @Undocumented Shopper
    @Europe Europa


    It doesn’t seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.
     
    There is a big difference between those countries that had colonial empires and the countries that did not, and Slavic countries did not. Moreover, most Slavic countries experienced loss of sovereignty at some point in their history, so they see themselves as victims.

    Instead of colonialism/racism, anti-Semitism is the main hammer that's used to make them feel guilty and at least as far as intellectuals are concerned, it works.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Adûnâi

    Russia outside of the historic lands of the Kievan Rus is one big colonial empire, it even called itself the “Russian Empire” so the idea that Russia has no colonial history is a laughably absurd piece of historical revisionism.

    It seems to me that most people say British involvement in Ireland and even Scotland is colonialism, so by the same count Russian domination of its non-Russian regions is clearly colonialism too.

    Just because most of Russia’s ethnic minorities are politically and economically unempowered, voiceless and don’t have global heavyweights like the United States fighting their corner and funding them, as is the case with Ireland and the IRA, doesn’t change the fact that what ethnic Russians have been engaged in for centuries is colonialism, and aggressively too.

    Honestly, it must take some brass neck and arrogance (or extreme ignorance) to say that a massive, multi-continental country like Russia that at its greatest extent stretched from Poland to Alaska, with vast numbers of ethnic minorities, has no colonial history when prior to the Russian revolution it even called itself a bloody empire!

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    @Europe Europa

    > "Just because most of Russia’s ethnic minorities are politically and economically unempowered, voiceless and don’t have global heavyweights like the United States fighting their corner and funding them..."

    TIL (today I learned) that American Negroes are supported by the American military-industrial complex against itself.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    , @Matra
    @Europe Europa

    Russia is the exception with Slavic countries. I suppose Russians could argue that there is a difference between expanding your own frontiers to enhance one's own security and sailing off to the other side of the world to colonise other territory. Not that any of these moral arguments really matter as they're all used selectively.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  66. @Europe Europa
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Russia outside of the historic lands of the Kievan Rus is one big colonial empire, it even called itself the "Russian Empire" so the idea that Russia has no colonial history is a laughably absurd piece of historical revisionism.

    It seems to me that most people say British involvement in Ireland and even Scotland is colonialism, so by the same count Russian domination of its non-Russian regions is clearly colonialism too.

    Just because most of Russia's ethnic minorities are politically and economically unempowered, voiceless and don't have global heavyweights like the United States fighting their corner and funding them, as is the case with Ireland and the IRA, doesn't change the fact that what ethnic Russians have been engaged in for centuries is colonialism, and aggressively too.

    Honestly, it must take some brass neck and arrogance (or extreme ignorance) to say that a massive, multi-continental country like Russia that at its greatest extent stretched from Poland to Alaska, with vast numbers of ethnic minorities, has no colonial history when prior to the Russian revolution it even called itself a bloody empire!

    Replies: @Adûnâi, @Matra

    > “Just because most of Russia’s ethnic minorities are politically and economically unempowered, voiceless and don’t have global heavyweights like the United States fighting their corner and funding them…”

    TIL (today I learned) that American Negroes are supported by the American military-industrial complex against itself.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Adûnâi

    They make good money in logistics military careers.

  67. @Europe Europa
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Russia outside of the historic lands of the Kievan Rus is one big colonial empire, it even called itself the "Russian Empire" so the idea that Russia has no colonial history is a laughably absurd piece of historical revisionism.

    It seems to me that most people say British involvement in Ireland and even Scotland is colonialism, so by the same count Russian domination of its non-Russian regions is clearly colonialism too.

    Just because most of Russia's ethnic minorities are politically and economically unempowered, voiceless and don't have global heavyweights like the United States fighting their corner and funding them, as is the case with Ireland and the IRA, doesn't change the fact that what ethnic Russians have been engaged in for centuries is colonialism, and aggressively too.

    Honestly, it must take some brass neck and arrogance (or extreme ignorance) to say that a massive, multi-continental country like Russia that at its greatest extent stretched from Poland to Alaska, with vast numbers of ethnic minorities, has no colonial history when prior to the Russian revolution it even called itself a bloody empire!

    Replies: @Adûnâi, @Matra

    Russia is the exception with Slavic countries. I suppose Russians could argue that there is a difference between expanding your own frontiers to enhance one’s own security and sailing off to the other side of the world to colonise other territory. Not that any of these moral arguments really matter as they’re all used selectively.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Matra

    That's why I cited Ireland and Scotland as similar examples of British/English territorial expansion in their immediate area, which many people consider to be just as much colonialism as British rule in India and Hong Kong.

    I believe the key to rebuilding English national pride is robustly challenging the very common notion that only the English are guilty of things like colonialism, oppression of other nations/races, slavery, etc.

    That is the de facto view these days, most British people have no idea that other countries had empires and were involved in the slave trade, often to a greater and more brutal extent. We're told that only Britain did these things.

    The reason there's a lot of self-loathing and huge lack of pride in English/British history is because most have been brainwashed by this anti-British worldview that the English/British are oppressors and everyone else is victims.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Kent Nationalist, @RadicalCenter

  68. @Seraphim
    @Europe Europa

    Because Russians are still, to a greater extent than the 'white nationalists', normal people and a normal society. And indeed, the racial problem did not reach in Russia the degree of paranoid obsession like in America.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Hangnail Hans

    They never experienced blacks. Blacks are so traumatic to a country that elimination is needed. This elimination is not politically possible in a multiracial empire.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @Hangnail Hans

    They never brought in forcibly Blacks to be their slaves and even the peoples they 'enslaved' were treated as human beings.
    But they had nevertheless 'experienced' Blacks. It is a well known fact (not by 'white nationalists') that the great- grandfather of Russia national poet Alexandr Pushkin was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, also Hannibal or Ganibal, or Abram Hannibal or Abram Petrov. Or, Abram Petrovich was an African Black, captured as a child in Africa (most probably in West Africa) and sold in the Ottoman Empire, ending in the household of Sultan Selim III, wherefrom he was ransomed along with "a few clever little African slaves" by the Russian ambassador for the Tsar's palace in Moscow. The Tsar [Peter] took a liking to the boys intelligence, had him baptized, sent him to study in France. He had a distinguished career in the Russian Army and was ennobled (his coat of arms emblazoned by an elephant) by Tsarina Elizabeth and married into nobility. Pushkin started to write a book, which he left unfinished, "The Moor of Peter the Great", based on his life. He took some pride in his African ancestry.

  69. @AnonFromTN
    @Dmitry

    Your analysis is too Marxist. Attitudes of the sheeple (including relatively wealthy sheeple) are determined less by material well-being than by prevailing propaganda (spread 24/7 by bought and paid for MSM, wholly owned by the moneyed elites), which intellectually inferior people believe. Real living standards of the majority of the populace in the US were higher in the 1980s than now. Yet back then prevailing culture was homophobic. It still is among the “silent majority”, but there is vocal minority in service of globohomo trying to normalize sexual deviancies, mostly in big “liberal” cities.

    I know this first-hand from many sources. I know that anecdotal evidence does not prove anything, so this is purely for illustration purposes. When I told my grad student ~15 years ago that in Russia a man with an earring would be seen as gay, stupid, or both, she told me that in her state (one of the Midwestern “fly-over” states) the perception would be exactly the same.

    Being a biologist, I know for sure that there are only two sexes in nature (in animals, plants, and even single-cell organisms). Sex emerged in evolution to mix genes, therefore it made sense only when it resulted in progeny. So, to me the narrative that gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as credible as the idea that the Moon is made of cheese. But most people are woefully uneducated, and the majority of “educated” people know next to nothing about biology. So, they are easily fooled. Goebbels articulated how the fooling should be done long ago: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth”. Not much changed since then.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @Hangnail Hans, @Dmitry

    So, to me the narrative that gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as credible as the idea that the Moon is made of cheese.

    https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Research:_Intergenerational_Sexual_Behaviors_in_Animals

    Sexual behaviour in non-fertile combinations is normal for mammals, and is especially present in primates, forming the basis of much social behaviour.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Hangnail Hans


    Sexual behaviour in non-fertile combinations is normal for mammals
     
    What is a non-fertile combination, pray? Male-to-male or female-to-female? Did my biological education omit something?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  70. @Adûnâi
    @Europe Europa

    > "Just because most of Russia’s ethnic minorities are politically and economically unempowered, voiceless and don’t have global heavyweights like the United States fighting their corner and funding them..."

    TIL (today I learned) that American Negroes are supported by the American military-industrial complex against itself.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    They make good money in logistics military careers.

  71. @Matra
    @Europe Europa

    Russia is the exception with Slavic countries. I suppose Russians could argue that there is a difference between expanding your own frontiers to enhance one's own security and sailing off to the other side of the world to colonise other territory. Not that any of these moral arguments really matter as they're all used selectively.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    That’s why I cited Ireland and Scotland as similar examples of British/English territorial expansion in their immediate area, which many people consider to be just as much colonialism as British rule in India and Hong Kong.

    I believe the key to rebuilding English national pride is robustly challenging the very common notion that only the English are guilty of things like colonialism, oppression of other nations/races, slavery, etc.

    That is the de facto view these days, most British people have no idea that other countries had empires and were involved in the slave trade, often to a greater and more brutal extent. We’re told that only Britain did these things.

    The reason there’s a lot of self-loathing and huge lack of pride in English/British history is because most have been brainwashed by this anti-British worldview that the English/British are oppressors and everyone else is victims.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Europe Europa

    I have a hard time believing most British have never heard of the French, Spanish, Portuguese and Belgian colonial Empires.

    And to answer your question: Russian Empire was colonial, although it was mainly acting that way in Central Asia, Russian North America and the Far East. USSR spent a lot of energy fighting "Great Russian chauvinism ". You could get sent to GULAG or even shot for that.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Europe Europa

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2020-03-11/Empires%20chart%201-01.png

    You overestimate the extent to which British people are embarrassed about the empire. Our culture is becoming so Americanised that soon I expect people will feel bad about lynching or the death of Emmet Till rather than anything specific to Britain.
    Most apologetics for the British Empire are liberal (and always have been), but defending it has even so become less and less acceptable with threats of cancellation for academics. I wonder if an ordinary person would lose their job over it?

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Europe Europa

    That seems correct. Allow me to add a suggestion as a white American who is sick and tired of any implication that I should suffer or pay “reparations” because of slavery. When Africans and their enablers try to shame us and extort reparations, they rely on the false premise that white people were somehow uniquely responsible for slavery. The unquestioned narrative is always “whites always slavers and africans always victims.”

    We know who the evil men were who went to Africa to “purchase” Africans and ship them to the British New World / later USA: a tiny wealthy elite of British people.

    We also know who the evil men were who in turn “purchased” the Africans when they were re-sold here: a tiny wealthy elite of British and Jewish people.

    But how did the whole process start? It started because some BLACK AFRICANS conquered or kidnapped other black africans IN AFRICA.

    ** For every white or Jewish buyer of slaves from Africa for use in the New World, there was a BLACK AFRICAN “seller.” African-“Americans” can go demand reparations from their brothers. And then they can go sod off, as I believe you folks say.

    Secondarily, in the context of my country, there are tens of millions of white Americans who have little to no British ancestry, like me and all four of my grandparents, These are Germanic, Slavic, and Southern European (italian, Greek) Americans — in my case, all of them! Every branch of our family came here after the abolition of slavery, and even after the end of Reconstruction, as poor people just struggling to get by, hardly slaveowner material.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @AnonFromTN

  72. @Hangnail Hans
    @AnonFromTN


    So, to me the narrative that gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as credible as the idea that the Moon is made of cheese.
     
    https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Research:_Intergenerational_Sexual_Behaviors_in_Animals

    Sexual behaviour in non-fertile combinations is normal for mammals, and is especially present in primates, forming the basis of much social behaviour.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    Sexual behaviour in non-fertile combinations is normal for mammals

    What is a non-fertile combination, pray? Male-to-male or female-to-female? Did my biological education omit something?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @AnonFromTN

    Given that Hangnail Hans wishes to provide your children with "high-touch emotional friendship", I'll take his considerations with a huge degree of salt.

    "Normal for mammals" is even odder given how many mammals are solitary and thus will be engaging in very little contact with other members of its species and thus spectacularly little "non-fertile combination."

  73. @AnonFromTN
    @Hangnail Hans


    Sexual behaviour in non-fertile combinations is normal for mammals
     
    What is a non-fertile combination, pray? Male-to-male or female-to-female? Did my biological education omit something?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Given that Hangnail Hans wishes to provide your children with “high-touch emotional friendship”, I’ll take his considerations with a huge degree of salt.

    “Normal for mammals” is even odder given how many mammals are solitary and thus will be engaging in very little contact with other members of its species and thus spectacularly little “non-fertile combination.”

    • Agree: Ano4
  74. @Europe Europa
    @Matra

    That's why I cited Ireland and Scotland as similar examples of British/English territorial expansion in their immediate area, which many people consider to be just as much colonialism as British rule in India and Hong Kong.

    I believe the key to rebuilding English national pride is robustly challenging the very common notion that only the English are guilty of things like colonialism, oppression of other nations/races, slavery, etc.

    That is the de facto view these days, most British people have no idea that other countries had empires and were involved in the slave trade, often to a greater and more brutal extent. We're told that only Britain did these things.

    The reason there's a lot of self-loathing and huge lack of pride in English/British history is because most have been brainwashed by this anti-British worldview that the English/British are oppressors and everyone else is victims.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Kent Nationalist, @RadicalCenter

    I have a hard time believing most British have never heard of the French, Spanish, Portuguese and Belgian colonial Empires.

    And to answer your question: Russian Empire was colonial, although it was mainly acting that way in Central Asia, Russian North America and the Far East. USSR spent a lot of energy fighting “Great Russian chauvinism “. You could get sent to GULAG or even shot for that.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @Ano4

    I expect a large number of British people have not heard of the British empire, or only have a very hazy idea of it. It is hard to overstate how ignorant most people are about everything.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

  75. @Europe Europa
    @Matra

    That's why I cited Ireland and Scotland as similar examples of British/English territorial expansion in their immediate area, which many people consider to be just as much colonialism as British rule in India and Hong Kong.

    I believe the key to rebuilding English national pride is robustly challenging the very common notion that only the English are guilty of things like colonialism, oppression of other nations/races, slavery, etc.

    That is the de facto view these days, most British people have no idea that other countries had empires and were involved in the slave trade, often to a greater and more brutal extent. We're told that only Britain did these things.

    The reason there's a lot of self-loathing and huge lack of pride in English/British history is because most have been brainwashed by this anti-British worldview that the English/British are oppressors and everyone else is victims.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Kent Nationalist, @RadicalCenter

    You overestimate the extent to which British people are embarrassed about the empire. Our culture is becoming so Americanised that soon I expect people will feel bad about lynching or the death of Emmet Till rather than anything specific to Britain.
    Most apologetics for the British Empire are liberal (and always have been), but defending it has even so become less and less acceptable with threats of cancellation for academics. I wonder if an ordinary person would lose their job over it?

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Kent Nationalist

    Surprisingly the Portuguese don't even make it to the list (the late arriving Italians do with their rocks and areas of sand in Africa?) despite having one of the largest empires relative to population, it enduring for the longest time and being the first multi-continental European colonial empire. They also initiated the European trade in negroes so aught to be super villains for the current SJWs.

  76. @Ano4
    @Europe Europa

    I have a hard time believing most British have never heard of the French, Spanish, Portuguese and Belgian colonial Empires.

    And to answer your question: Russian Empire was colonial, although it was mainly acting that way in Central Asia, Russian North America and the Far East. USSR spent a lot of energy fighting "Great Russian chauvinism ". You could get sent to GULAG or even shot for that.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    I expect a large number of British people have not heard of the British empire, or only have a very hazy idea of it. It is hard to overstate how ignorant most people are about everything.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Kent Nationalist


    I expect a large number of British people have not heard of the British empire
     
    Possibly. But now reverse colonization is in progress: former British imperial subjects are moving to UK in droves. Last time I was in Heathrow, I saw only one white employee, the rest were “diverse”. Formerly great formerly Britain describes it to a tee.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  77. @Kent Nationalist
    @Ano4

    I expect a large number of British people have not heard of the British empire, or only have a very hazy idea of it. It is hard to overstate how ignorant most people are about everything.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    I expect a large number of British people have not heard of the British empire

    Possibly. But now reverse colonization is in progress: former British imperial subjects are moving to UK in droves. Last time I was in Heathrow, I saw only one white employee, the rest were “diverse”. Formerly great formerly Britain describes it to a tee.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @AnonFromTN

    Mainstream demographic projections indicate that by 2066 just less than 50% of the population of the UK will be white British, by the 2090s 80 % of the population of the UK will be non-white, by that point it will mostly be formerly British Britain.

    Replies: @Sya Beerens, @Cutler

  78. @Kent Nationalist
    @Europe Europa

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2020-03-11/Empires%20chart%201-01.png

    You overestimate the extent to which British people are embarrassed about the empire. Our culture is becoming so Americanised that soon I expect people will feel bad about lynching or the death of Emmet Till rather than anything specific to Britain.
    Most apologetics for the British Empire are liberal (and always have been), but defending it has even so become less and less acceptable with threats of cancellation for academics. I wonder if an ordinary person would lose their job over it?

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Surprisingly the Portuguese don’t even make it to the list (the late arriving Italians do with their rocks and areas of sand in Africa?) despite having one of the largest empires relative to population, it enduring for the longest time and being the first multi-continental European colonial empire. They also initiated the European trade in negroes so aught to be super villains for the current SJWs.

  79. @AnonFromTN
    @Kent Nationalist


    I expect a large number of British people have not heard of the British empire
     
    Possibly. But now reverse colonization is in progress: former British imperial subjects are moving to UK in droves. Last time I was in Heathrow, I saw only one white employee, the rest were “diverse”. Formerly great formerly Britain describes it to a tee.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Mainstream demographic projections indicate that by 2066 just less than 50% of the population of the UK will be white British, by the 2090s 80 % of the population of the UK will be non-white, by that point it will mostly be formerly British Britain.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
    @Coconuts

    Mainstream demographic projections indicated in the 1990's that by 2020 20% of the population of Amsterdam would be native Dutch.

    Western political propaganda revolves 100% around Others/Othering. The West is 100% based upon

    (Neo) Colonialism/Social sci-fi

    Replies: @Coconuts, @RadicalCenter

    , @Cutler
    @Coconuts

    That projection you quoted is only from one demographic projection by an individual demographer not a concensus opinion for example I read a demographic study by several UK demographers estimating the ethnic make up of the UK to 2061 based on census, annual population surveys, migration flows births etc extrapolated over four scenarios which are no brexit soft brexit hard brexit and a much reduced immigration scenario based on economic parity in sending countries and different birth rates etc and their conclusions were far from as gloomy as the figure you quote. The figure you use is from professor David Coleman which is well out of date now.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  80. The great irony in all of this is the fact that the EU does not want Belarus. Apart from some half hearted supportive comments to the protestors (and new poster girl Tikhanovskaya) there remains very little enthusiasm for pushing ahead with regime change in Belarus.

    The reason for this? The EU simply does not want to pay for Belarus. It is that simple. The billions of Euros along with a huge Belarusian migrant surge is not what the EU wants right now. They can’t even support their own member States right now such as Italy so why take on another huge burden? Its the same story with the Ukraine. The EU simply does not want these countries in the club.

    Which means only Russia is willing to pay the bill at the end of it. I think that as time goes on, hopefully the pro-Western idiots realise this simple fact and actually try to do something more beneficial such coming to the realisation they need to build their own country up without relying on mother Merkel and friends to give them free money.

  81. @Europe Europa
    @Dmitry


    In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat
     
    I'm not sure the idea that all British people are rich bourgeoisie types is very accurate, with the exception of London most major British cities have a large native working class population and surely the large immigrant populations mostly count as a proletariat?

    At the end of the day the "chav" and football hooligan stereotypes don't exist for nothing, so the idea that Britain is a bourgeoisie country with no proletariat seems highly inaccurate.

    Maybe the average native British person seems like a super rich bourgeoisie type compared to the average Russian. I don't know, maybe a native British "chav" on benefits who lives in social housing and spends most of their money on cigarettes and alcohol seems bourgeoisie compared to the average Russian?

    Replies: @Sya Beerens, @Dmitry

    British tourists……

  82. @Coconuts
    @AnonFromTN

    Mainstream demographic projections indicate that by 2066 just less than 50% of the population of the UK will be white British, by the 2090s 80 % of the population of the UK will be non-white, by that point it will mostly be formerly British Britain.

    Replies: @Sya Beerens, @Cutler

    Mainstream demographic projections indicated in the 1990’s that by 2020 20% of the population of Amsterdam would be native Dutch.

    Western political propaganda revolves 100% around Others/Othering. The West is 100% based upon

    (Neo) Colonialism/Social sci-fi

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Sya Beerens

    Demographic projections are always open to error, especially over long periods of time. The projections I quoted have decent amounts of supporting evidence behind them anyway.

    If the response of British cultural establishment to the BLM stuff is any indication of the way things are going to go, dwelling on the evils of white othering is going to be a central theme in British culture in the years to come.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Sya Beerens

    The fact remains that the proportion of actual Dutch people in Amsterdam and Rotterdam has declined substantially since the 1990s, with the transformation continuing.

    So you are basically quibbling about exactly WHEN the Dutch become a disrespected, persecuted minority in their own cities, then in their own entire country, not WHETHER it is happening.

    Sadly, the same obtains to a severe degree in Sweden’s cities, England’s cities, Germany’s cities, Vienna, Italy’s cities, and so on.

    Your “revenge” will consist of Africans, Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Pakistanis and the like turning Europe into the vicious backwards places they come from, not building anything to advance humanity, alleviate human suffering, and be proud of.

  83. @Sya Beerens
    @Coconuts

    Mainstream demographic projections indicated in the 1990's that by 2020 20% of the population of Amsterdam would be native Dutch.

    Western political propaganda revolves 100% around Others/Othering. The West is 100% based upon

    (Neo) Colonialism/Social sci-fi

    Replies: @Coconuts, @RadicalCenter

    Demographic projections are always open to error, especially over long periods of time. The projections I quoted have decent amounts of supporting evidence behind them anyway.

    If the response of British cultural establishment to the BLM stuff is any indication of the way things are going to go, dwelling on the evils of white othering is going to be a central theme in British culture in the years to come.

  84. Efremova–was she born male? I just want to clarify this part.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    She's a woman who identifies as a man. I think. I don't really know (or care).

  85. @Hyperborean
    @Dmitry


    For example, in the music/video shop in a prestigious Western European city, they now have special LGBT sections which constitute about 20% of the shop. This is the section where they make special of display of LGBT related blu-rays and books. So there is a such demand for films and books which are treating LGBT themes that they have special sections for LGBT in the shops of the city.
     
    A revealing part of current-year "Woke Capitalism" is how blatantly the managerial class show their ideological preferences.

    There could be a lot of demand or there could be little demand, it wouldn't matter, in the end internal organisational political pressure would result in the same outcome for the shops.

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Dmitry, @Supply and Demand

    I worked in the publishing industry for 18 months in 2010-11. One of the Boston based ones doing mass market with small desks of of academic/tech. Most houses’ departments back then were run by elderly Jewish horn dogs and a coterie of their female heeb cousins smattered in with ‘aced the interview’ shiskas. Women cannot consider not publishing for women, and impose their tastes on everyone else. Gay Jews with sinecures are naturally permissive and ideologically bent. That said, most are connoisseurs in my experience. Women are dilettantes by nature, and when they inherit the big desks, the slide now will seem gentle by comparison.

  86. @Mr. XYZ
    Efremova--was she born male? I just want to clarify this part.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    She’s a woman who identifies as a man. I think. I don’t really know (or care).

  87. @The Big Red Scary
    @Dmitry

    Oxbridge has been gentle and polite for centuries, and while buggery has a long history there, it was traditionally considered shameful and, until recently, illegal.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    If we look at a Western European university toilet:

    2 year ago, there was “men” and “women” toilets.

    Now there is “cubicles” (left) and “cubicles with urinals”;

    Would the ghosts that had once used this toilet, be angry?

    Most famous ghosts that had lived in this building, where we see non-binary toilets, are all seeming to be LGBT people like Alan Turing, Maynard Keynes, Ludwig Wittgenstein.

    So, perhaps there was a lot more real homosexuals there in the past, than today.

    But what we see today, is the use of LGBT ideology, for bourgeois virtue-signaling. Mainly the people who are support LGBT, are heterosexual.

    Another unusual is that these bourgeois students, that promote LGBT, etc, are a lot less hedonist and more puritan, and perhaps boring, than an average working class or middle class youth. You could walk around at 1am in the area where there are only such accommodation, and on non-weekend streets almost completely empty, most quietly students are studying in their room.

    At night, living in such a student district (which sounds like it would be a bad idea), you hear people playing classical music (not rock music). Student neighbours are outside with telescopes talking about the milky way, etc (a lot of such youth are better behaved than my grandparents). This is the demographic who also add rainbow flags on their house – some of the world’s more boring and quiet young people.

    • Disagree: Daniel Chieh
  88. @Hangnail Hans
    @Seraphim

    They never experienced blacks. Blacks are so traumatic to a country that elimination is needed. This elimination is not politically possible in a multiracial empire.

    Replies: @Seraphim

    They never brought in forcibly Blacks to be their slaves and even the peoples they ‘enslaved’ were treated as human beings.
    But they had nevertheless ‘experienced’ Blacks. It is a well known fact (not by ‘white nationalists’) that the great- grandfather of Russia national poet Alexandr Pushkin was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, also Hannibal or Ganibal, or Abram Hannibal or Abram Petrov. Or, Abram Petrovich was an African Black, captured as a child in Africa (most probably in West Africa) and sold in the Ottoman Empire, ending in the household of Sultan Selim III, wherefrom he was ransomed along with “a few clever little African slaves” by the Russian ambassador for the Tsar’s palace in Moscow. The Tsar [Peter] took a liking to the boys intelligence, had him baptized, sent him to study in France. He had a distinguished career in the Russian Army and was ennobled (his coat of arms emblazoned by an elephant) by Tsarina Elizabeth and married into nobility. Pushkin started to write a book, which he left unfinished, “The Moor of Peter the Great”, based on his life. He took some pride in his African ancestry.

  89. @AnonFromTN
    @Dmitry

    Your analysis is too Marxist. Attitudes of the sheeple (including relatively wealthy sheeple) are determined less by material well-being than by prevailing propaganda (spread 24/7 by bought and paid for MSM, wholly owned by the moneyed elites), which intellectually inferior people believe. Real living standards of the majority of the populace in the US were higher in the 1980s than now. Yet back then prevailing culture was homophobic. It still is among the “silent majority”, but there is vocal minority in service of globohomo trying to normalize sexual deviancies, mostly in big “liberal” cities.

    I know this first-hand from many sources. I know that anecdotal evidence does not prove anything, so this is purely for illustration purposes. When I told my grad student ~15 years ago that in Russia a man with an earring would be seen as gay, stupid, or both, she told me that in her state (one of the Midwestern “fly-over” states) the perception would be exactly the same.

    Being a biologist, I know for sure that there are only two sexes in nature (in animals, plants, and even single-cell organisms). Sex emerged in evolution to mix genes, therefore it made sense only when it resulted in progeny. So, to me the narrative that gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as credible as the idea that the Moon is made of cheese. But most people are woefully uneducated, and the majority of “educated” people know next to nothing about biology. So, they are easily fooled. Goebbels articulated how the fooling should be done long ago: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as truth”. Not much changed since then.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @Hangnail Hans, @Dmitry

    Russia a man with an earring

    gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as

    Of course, there is no causal connection between the homosexual sex, and fashions to do with men wearing earring. However, when I was young, you didn’t wear feminized fashions, unless you wanted to be attacked by local hooligans.

    My school was about 50% working class and 50% normal middle class, and when we were younger and small (before puberty) even some of older girls from a bad, criminal area, would try to beat you. Even our school girls would beat the gays of the Western European.

    But the environment in Western Europe, where they cover everything with a rainbow flag, is a totally different socioeconomic level. These are places where live almost no hooligans, and local proleteriat almost doesn’t exist, and it seems almost like they were ethnically cleansed from some of these districts. In such places, you could walk in a pink dress every day, and nobody would be impolite enough to criticize you.

    Of course, the LGBT ideology is most popular in bourgeois Western European demographics, reflects gentle personality of this youth.


    An even more funny trend of this youth, is that they dislike clapping, as it is considered too vulgar, impolite, or insensitive (to people with hearing problems).

    So in one of the famous universities of Western Europe, they have even now banned people clapping. (Instead they will jazz hands).

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Dmitry


    My school was about 50% working class and 50% normal middle class, and when we were younger and small (before puberty) even some of older girls from a bad, criminal area, would try to beat you.
     
    A couple of years ago I was talking with an Ukrainian female colleague from Odessa, a very competent and charming PhD. We were discussing our Soviet childhood memories and she told me: "I used to be a very mean little girl, I often beat up little boys in my class for fun." We actually had a couple of girls like that in my first school, which was in a normal Soviet working/middle class area at the north-eastern outskirts of Moscow. All these girls mellowed down while growing up and became wifes and mothers. The little boys whom they persecuted grew up to become normal adults. In my second school, specialized in French and closer to downtown Moscow, only boys were sometimes turbulent and violent. But I was a teenager then. I think the attitude was different not only because of social class differences, but also because by 12 - 13 years we were adopting the roles of older school kids that were 16 -17 years old, wore a different more adult looking uniform, smoked cigarettes and flirted and dated. Older kids were very much like adults: most guys were getting ready to join the army at age 18 or continue their studies at the University. I had the impression then that they were serious and responsible people. Only one of my childhood neighbors came out Gay. He was a normally behaving, although a slightly more introverted kid. He told us that he became aware of his different sexual orientation around 14 - 15 years of age. He actually looks way happier and more outgoing today as an adult. He thought about suicide and it took him many years to accept his homosexuality. He doesn't feel persecuted or put down in Moscow and did not try emigration, although he traveled extensively.
  90. @Europe Europa
    @Dmitry


    In addition, in UK there are many cities with almost no proletariat
     
    I'm not sure the idea that all British people are rich bourgeoisie types is very accurate, with the exception of London most major British cities have a large native working class population and surely the large immigrant populations mostly count as a proletariat?

    At the end of the day the "chav" and football hooligan stereotypes don't exist for nothing, so the idea that Britain is a bourgeoisie country with no proletariat seems highly inaccurate.

    Maybe the average native British person seems like a super rich bourgeoisie type compared to the average Russian. I don't know, maybe a native British "chav" on benefits who lives in social housing and spends most of their money on cigarettes and alcohol seems bourgeoisie compared to the average Russian?

    Replies: @Sya Beerens, @Dmitry

    There is a lot of proletariat living in some English cities, but there are other ones you can see, that predominantly seem to be without them (except for some days of a week).

    This is (not my photo) image of Glasgow in Scotland – looking at its beautiful architecture I can imagine how hipsters are beaten in its streets.

    But if you visit the cities, which look like they are designed by magical elves – the culture is a predominantly middle class and above.

    It’s cities of Western Europe, which look like some hogwarts, where there is almost lack of proleteriat, and LGBT has become the most fashionable ideology.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Dmitry

    I think that Western higher middle class youths are becoming somewhat similar to the Eloi of HG Wells. At the same time, the racial minorities and immigrant ghetto dwellers are becoming Morlocks. In 2011 I visited a lab in MIT and a Chinese student there warned me to be careful when I leave the building. It was getting dark and Black youths from a nearby ghetto sometimes mugged people on the campus. The Chinese guy got himself mugged. I found it astounding that one of the best universities in the world was located somewhat close to a ghetto neighborhood. I was also really surprised when I saw homeless people living in tents only a few hundred feet from one of the several San Francisco campuses. One of the tech entrepreneurs there had to chase down with colleagues some young thieves that mugged his female employees a block away from their start up incubator building.

    Replies: @Undocumented Shopper

    , @Pericles
    @Dmitry

    From Varsity to DiVarsity, I suppose. Lift your gowns and roger a bottom tonight, Cantabrigians, for Old Blighty!

  91. @Dmitry
    @AnonFromTN


    Russia a man with an earring
     

    gay or lesbian sex in normal is about as
     
    Of course, there is no causal connection between the homosexual sex, and fashions to do with men wearing earring. However, when I was young, you didn't wear feminized fashions, unless you wanted to be attacked by local hooligans.

    My school was about 50% working class and 50% normal middle class, and when we were younger and small (before puberty) even some of older girls from a bad, criminal area, would try to beat you. Even our school girls would beat the gays of the Western European.

    But the environment in Western Europe, where they cover everything with a rainbow flag, is a totally different socioeconomic level. These are places where live almost no hooligans, and local proleteriat almost doesn't exist, and it seems almost like they were ethnically cleansed from some of these districts. In such places, you could walk in a pink dress every day, and nobody would be impolite enough to criticize you.

    Of course, the LGBT ideology is most popular in bourgeois Western European demographics, reflects gentle personality of this youth.


    -
    An even more funny trend of this youth, is that they dislike clapping, as it is considered too vulgar, impolite, or insensitive (to people with hearing problems).

    So in one of the famous universities of Western Europe, they have even now banned people clapping. (Instead they will jazz hands).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrVlrZX4UsI

    Replies: @Ano4

    My school was about 50% working class and 50% normal middle class, and when we were younger and small (before puberty) even some of older girls from a bad, criminal area, would try to beat you.

    A couple of years ago I was talking with an Ukrainian female colleague from Odessa, a very competent and charming PhD. We were discussing our Soviet childhood memories and she told me: “I used to be a very mean little girl, I often beat up little boys in my class for fun.” We actually had a couple of girls like that in my first school, which was in a normal Soviet working/middle class area at the north-eastern outskirts of Moscow. All these girls mellowed down while growing up and became wifes and mothers. The little boys whom they persecuted grew up to become normal adults. In my second school, specialized in French and closer to downtown Moscow, only boys were sometimes turbulent and violent. But I was a teenager then. I think the attitude was different not only because of social class differences, but also because by 12 – 13 years we were adopting the roles of older school kids that were 16 -17 years old, wore a different more adult looking uniform, smoked cigarettes and flirted and dated. Older kids were very much like adults: most guys were getting ready to join the army at age 18 or continue their studies at the University. I had the impression then that they were serious and responsible people. Only one of my childhood neighbors came out Gay. He was a normally behaving, although a slightly more introverted kid. He told us that he became aware of his different sexual orientation around 14 – 15 years of age. He actually looks way happier and more outgoing today as an adult. He thought about suicide and it took him many years to accept his homosexuality. He doesn’t feel persecuted or put down in Moscow and did not try emigration, although he traveled extensively.

  92. @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    There is a lot of proletariat living in some English cities, but there are other ones you can see, that predominantly seem to be without them (except for some days of a week).

    This is (not my photo) image of Glasgow in Scotland - looking at its beautiful architecture I can imagine how hipsters are beaten in its streets.

    https://www.urbanrealm.com/images/news/newspic_4565.jpg

    But if you visit the cities, which look like they are designed by magical elves - the culture is a predominantly middle class and above.

    It's cities of Western Europe, which look like some hogwarts, where there is almost lack of proleteriat, and LGBT has become the most fashionable ideology.

    https://twitter.com/JoeCookJ/status/1224358820446720000

    Replies: @Ano4, @Pericles

    I think that Western higher middle class youths are becoming somewhat similar to the Eloi of HG Wells. At the same time, the racial minorities and immigrant ghetto dwellers are becoming Morlocks. In 2011 I visited a lab in MIT and a Chinese student there warned me to be careful when I leave the building. It was getting dark and Black youths from a nearby ghetto sometimes mugged people on the campus. The Chinese guy got himself mugged. I found it astounding that one of the best universities in the world was located somewhat close to a ghetto neighborhood. I was also really surprised when I saw homeless people living in tents only a few hundred feet from one of the several San Francisco campuses. One of the tech entrepreneurs there had to chase down with colleagues some young thieves that mugged his female employees a block away from their start up incubator building.

    • Replies: @Undocumented Shopper
    @Ano4


    I think that Western higher middle class youths are becoming somewhat similar to the Eloi of HG Wells. At the same time, the racial minorities and immigrant ghetto dwellers are becoming Morlocks. In 2011 I visited a lab in MIT and a Chinese student there warned me to be careful when I leave the building.
     
    What you write about MIT is true but the word "becoming" does not fit the context. The muggings near MIT's East Campus happen mostly because of a public housing project on Main Street. That has been the case for decades and it was at its worst during the 1980s.

    In general, I would say that the crime is still a lot lower than it used to be and collective memory of how bad the 1970s and the 1980s were is being lost. Which is why suburban upper middle class kids are eagerly swallowing the BLM nonsense. Yes, they are Eloi.
  93. @Adûnâi
    @AnonFromTN

    Galatians 3:28 openly propagates transvestitism.


    There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
     
    Matthew 10:35 is about the substitution of blood relations by memetic ties.

    For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
     
    Matthew 19:12 is about the virtue of castration.

    For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.
     
    Christianity is a trap.

    Replies: @Seraphim

    The answer is at #61.

  94. @Pericles
    @Europe Europa


    but then he went off on some bizarre rant about gay drivers flying rainbow flags

     

    Why not watch an F1 race? You will see a few cars with faggy little rainbows clearly visible in the cockpit view. If memory serves, McLaren is one of the teams doing this. Not sure to what extent this is due to the driver though.

    Replies: @Pericles

    An example from practice at Sochi, since you ask. Gaze at the Rainbow of Many Perversions on the driver protection ‘halo’ on the McLaren below.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Pericles

    F1 was bought out by an American media company, Liberty Media. Prior to that F1 was the most 'based' sport when it was run by the self-made man, Bernie Ecclestone, who was pro-Putin/Trump & Brexit, and anti-PC. (A few times there were attempts to oust Bernie from his position because of statements he made about - among other things - women drivers and Hitler's more positive attributes). As soon as it was announced that Liberty were taking over I noticed an immediate change in the sport - wearing pink for breast cancer, the elimination of grid girls because they offended feminists - as well as with the journalists who cover it suddenly pushing their pet causes (the usual globohomo stuff) in their articles & blogs. It was better under Bernie's Machiavellian leadership than under the bland corporate managerialism (I think Disney will soon own it) of today.

    Replies: @Pericles

  95. @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa

    There is a lot of proletariat living in some English cities, but there are other ones you can see, that predominantly seem to be without them (except for some days of a week).

    This is (not my photo) image of Glasgow in Scotland - looking at its beautiful architecture I can imagine how hipsters are beaten in its streets.

    https://www.urbanrealm.com/images/news/newspic_4565.jpg

    But if you visit the cities, which look like they are designed by magical elves - the culture is a predominantly middle class and above.

    It's cities of Western Europe, which look like some hogwarts, where there is almost lack of proleteriat, and LGBT has become the most fashionable ideology.

    https://twitter.com/JoeCookJ/status/1224358820446720000

    Replies: @Ano4, @Pericles

    From Varsity to DiVarsity, I suppose. Lift your gowns and roger a bottom tonight, Cantabrigians, for Old Blighty!

  96. @Ano4
    @Dmitry

    I think that Western higher middle class youths are becoming somewhat similar to the Eloi of HG Wells. At the same time, the racial minorities and immigrant ghetto dwellers are becoming Morlocks. In 2011 I visited a lab in MIT and a Chinese student there warned me to be careful when I leave the building. It was getting dark and Black youths from a nearby ghetto sometimes mugged people on the campus. The Chinese guy got himself mugged. I found it astounding that one of the best universities in the world was located somewhat close to a ghetto neighborhood. I was also really surprised when I saw homeless people living in tents only a few hundred feet from one of the several San Francisco campuses. One of the tech entrepreneurs there had to chase down with colleagues some young thieves that mugged his female employees a block away from their start up incubator building.

    Replies: @Undocumented Shopper

    I think that Western higher middle class youths are becoming somewhat similar to the Eloi of HG Wells. At the same time, the racial minorities and immigrant ghetto dwellers are becoming Morlocks. In 2011 I visited a lab in MIT and a Chinese student there warned me to be careful when I leave the building.

    What you write about MIT is true but the word “becoming” does not fit the context. The muggings near MIT’s East Campus happen mostly because of a public housing project on Main Street. That has been the case for decades and it was at its worst during the 1980s.

    In general, I would say that the crime is still a lot lower than it used to be and collective memory of how bad the 1970s and the 1980s were is being lost. Which is why suburban upper middle class kids are eagerly swallowing the BLM nonsense. Yes, they are Eloi.

    • Thanks: Ano4
  97. @Europe Europa
    @Matra

    That's why I cited Ireland and Scotland as similar examples of British/English territorial expansion in their immediate area, which many people consider to be just as much colonialism as British rule in India and Hong Kong.

    I believe the key to rebuilding English national pride is robustly challenging the very common notion that only the English are guilty of things like colonialism, oppression of other nations/races, slavery, etc.

    That is the de facto view these days, most British people have no idea that other countries had empires and were involved in the slave trade, often to a greater and more brutal extent. We're told that only Britain did these things.

    The reason there's a lot of self-loathing and huge lack of pride in English/British history is because most have been brainwashed by this anti-British worldview that the English/British are oppressors and everyone else is victims.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Kent Nationalist, @RadicalCenter

    That seems correct. Allow me to add a suggestion as a white American who is sick and tired of any implication that I should suffer or pay “reparations” because of slavery. When Africans and their enablers try to shame us and extort reparations, they rely on the false premise that white people were somehow uniquely responsible for slavery. The unquestioned narrative is always “whites always slavers and africans always victims.”

    We know who the evil men were who went to Africa to “purchase” Africans and ship them to the British New World / later USA: a tiny wealthy elite of British people.

    We also know who the evil men were who in turn “purchased” the Africans when they were re-sold here: a tiny wealthy elite of British and Jewish people.

    But how did the whole process start? It started because some BLACK AFRICANS conquered or kidnapped other black africans IN AFRICA.

    ** For every white or Jewish buyer of slaves from Africa for use in the New World, there was a BLACK AFRICAN “seller.” African-“Americans” can go demand reparations from their brothers. And then they can go sod off, as I believe you folks say.

    Secondarily, in the context of my country, there are tens of millions of white Americans who have little to no British ancestry, like me and all four of my grandparents, These are Germanic, Slavic, and Southern European (italian, Greek) Americans — in my case, all of them! Every branch of our family came here after the abolition of slavery, and even after the end of Reconstruction, as poor people just struggling to get by, hardly slaveowner material.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @RadicalCenter

    Southern Europeans were heavily involved in slavery, probably to a greater extent than the British Empire. That's why Brazil is full of blacks, yet I never hear anyone attacking them for their history.

    I suppose it's because most people see Spaniards and Portuguese as at least "off-white", or even as "non-whites", and non-whites can't be guilty of racism or oppression so their history is not open to any criticism, just as the history of the Arab slave trade isn't.

    Southern Europeans are just not judged by the same standards as British and Germans. Their history of racist and oppressive behaviour is mostly seen in the context of "non-white on non-white".

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Coconuts

    , @AnonFromTN
    @RadicalCenter

    Here is the best summary of the current reparations BS in the US: “people who never owned slaves paying people who have never been slaves”.

    I am from Russia. My ancestors were slaves (indentured peasants). Russian indentured peasants were freed the same year American Civil War started: 1861. Moreover, they’ve got raw deal: they had to pay their former owners for decades for the land they received with freedom.

    Now, if I blame my problems today on the fact that my ancestors were slaves until 1861, everyone I know would consider me a hopeless loser. They would be 100% right.

  98. @RadicalCenter
    @Europe Europa

    That seems correct. Allow me to add a suggestion as a white American who is sick and tired of any implication that I should suffer or pay “reparations” because of slavery. When Africans and their enablers try to shame us and extort reparations, they rely on the false premise that white people were somehow uniquely responsible for slavery. The unquestioned narrative is always “whites always slavers and africans always victims.”

    We know who the evil men were who went to Africa to “purchase” Africans and ship them to the British New World / later USA: a tiny wealthy elite of British people.

    We also know who the evil men were who in turn “purchased” the Africans when they were re-sold here: a tiny wealthy elite of British and Jewish people.

    But how did the whole process start? It started because some BLACK AFRICANS conquered or kidnapped other black africans IN AFRICA.

    ** For every white or Jewish buyer of slaves from Africa for use in the New World, there was a BLACK AFRICAN “seller.” African-“Americans” can go demand reparations from their brothers. And then they can go sod off, as I believe you folks say.

    Secondarily, in the context of my country, there are tens of millions of white Americans who have little to no British ancestry, like me and all four of my grandparents, These are Germanic, Slavic, and Southern European (italian, Greek) Americans — in my case, all of them! Every branch of our family came here after the abolition of slavery, and even after the end of Reconstruction, as poor people just struggling to get by, hardly slaveowner material.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @AnonFromTN

    Southern Europeans were heavily involved in slavery, probably to a greater extent than the British Empire. That’s why Brazil is full of blacks, yet I never hear anyone attacking them for their history.

    I suppose it’s because most people see Spaniards and Portuguese as at least “off-white”, or even as “non-whites”, and non-whites can’t be guilty of racism or oppression so their history is not open to any criticism, just as the history of the Arab slave trade isn’t.

    Southern Europeans are just not judged by the same standards as British and Germans. Their history of racist and oppressive behaviour is mostly seen in the context of “non-white on non-white”.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Europe Europa

    That’s great, but I specifically said that I was talking about my country, the USA. Southern Europeans were NOT heavily involved in bringing African slaves to the usa or re-“selling” them in the USA. Much different history.

    The fact remains that Italian, Greek, Slavic, and German/Austrian/Swiss immigrants to the USA almost uniformly have ZERO ancestors who were responsible for the sick institution of African slavery in the British New World / USA.

    Replies: @Undocumented Shopper

    , @Coconuts
    @Europe Europa

    I believe the Portuguese/Brazilians were the largest traders by volume. Brazil does have a certain level of black population, IRC under 10%, but many many people are mixed to one extent or another because of Portuguese Luso-tropicalismo activities.

    The Portuguese also brought many slaves to Portugal itself in the 16th century, Africans, Indians, Koreans, Japanese and had children with them, so in Lisbon in particular there are quite a few people with some African ancestry along the way.

    They definitely view themselves as white, though Portuguese governments have a reasonably long history of officially race blind policies, they must be the only European authoritarian right wing government to issue condemnations of racial prejudice and identify Africans as 'our brothers' during in the 1940-42 period.

    It is probably the fact that Portugal/Brazil were too poor and in many ways underdeveloped to fit in with the narrative about the prosperity of the US and European countries deriving mainly from slavery which means that this history is often ignored.

  99. @Sya Beerens
    @Coconuts

    Mainstream demographic projections indicated in the 1990's that by 2020 20% of the population of Amsterdam would be native Dutch.

    Western political propaganda revolves 100% around Others/Othering. The West is 100% based upon

    (Neo) Colonialism/Social sci-fi

    Replies: @Coconuts, @RadicalCenter

    The fact remains that the proportion of actual Dutch people in Amsterdam and Rotterdam has declined substantially since the 1990s, with the transformation continuing.

    So you are basically quibbling about exactly WHEN the Dutch become a disrespected, persecuted minority in their own cities, then in their own entire country, not WHETHER it is happening.

    Sadly, the same obtains to a severe degree in Sweden’s cities, England’s cities, Germany’s cities, Vienna, Italy’s cities, and so on.

    Your “revenge” will consist of Africans, Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Pakistanis and the like turning Europe into the vicious backwards places they come from, not building anything to advance humanity, alleviate human suffering, and be proud of.

  100. @RadicalCenter
    @Europe Europa

    That seems correct. Allow me to add a suggestion as a white American who is sick and tired of any implication that I should suffer or pay “reparations” because of slavery. When Africans and their enablers try to shame us and extort reparations, they rely on the false premise that white people were somehow uniquely responsible for slavery. The unquestioned narrative is always “whites always slavers and africans always victims.”

    We know who the evil men were who went to Africa to “purchase” Africans and ship them to the British New World / later USA: a tiny wealthy elite of British people.

    We also know who the evil men were who in turn “purchased” the Africans when they were re-sold here: a tiny wealthy elite of British and Jewish people.

    But how did the whole process start? It started because some BLACK AFRICANS conquered or kidnapped other black africans IN AFRICA.

    ** For every white or Jewish buyer of slaves from Africa for use in the New World, there was a BLACK AFRICAN “seller.” African-“Americans” can go demand reparations from their brothers. And then they can go sod off, as I believe you folks say.

    Secondarily, in the context of my country, there are tens of millions of white Americans who have little to no British ancestry, like me and all four of my grandparents, These are Germanic, Slavic, and Southern European (italian, Greek) Americans — in my case, all of them! Every branch of our family came here after the abolition of slavery, and even after the end of Reconstruction, as poor people just struggling to get by, hardly slaveowner material.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @AnonFromTN

    Here is the best summary of the current reparations BS in the US: “people who never owned slaves paying people who have never been slaves”.

    I am from Russia. My ancestors were slaves (indentured peasants). Russian indentured peasants were freed the same year American Civil War started: 1861. Moreover, they’ve got raw deal: they had to pay their former owners for decades for the land they received with freedom.

    Now, if I blame my problems today on the fact that my ancestors were slaves until 1861, everyone I know would consider me a hopeless loser. They would be 100% right.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  101. @Europe Europa
    @RadicalCenter

    Southern Europeans were heavily involved in slavery, probably to a greater extent than the British Empire. That's why Brazil is full of blacks, yet I never hear anyone attacking them for their history.

    I suppose it's because most people see Spaniards and Portuguese as at least "off-white", or even as "non-whites", and non-whites can't be guilty of racism or oppression so their history is not open to any criticism, just as the history of the Arab slave trade isn't.

    Southern Europeans are just not judged by the same standards as British and Germans. Their history of racist and oppressive behaviour is mostly seen in the context of "non-white on non-white".

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Coconuts

    That’s great, but I specifically said that I was talking about my country, the USA. Southern Europeans were NOT heavily involved in bringing African slaves to the usa or re-“selling” them in the USA. Much different history.

    The fact remains that Italian, Greek, Slavic, and German/Austrian/Swiss immigrants to the USA almost uniformly have ZERO ancestors who were responsible for the sick institution of African slavery in the British New World / USA.

    • Replies: @Undocumented Shopper
    @RadicalCenter

    Also, Greeks and some Slavs were Turkish slaves until about 200 years ago.
    There were several ways this happened:
    - Greek, Bulgarian, Serb and some Croatian boys were forced to become Janissaries, which was a form of child slavery
    - The Turks traded slaves who were captured by Tatars - mostly Ukrainians, sometimes Russians and Poles
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
    Other Europeans, especially Italians were slaves in the Turkish-controlled Barbary Coast:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

    By the way, the Chechens whom Democrats and Neocons loved so much continued the Crimean economic model of kidnapping people for ransom. But that kind of slavery is fine with our rulers.

    Replies: @Ano4

  102. @RadicalCenter
    @Europe Europa

    That’s great, but I specifically said that I was talking about my country, the USA. Southern Europeans were NOT heavily involved in bringing African slaves to the usa or re-“selling” them in the USA. Much different history.

    The fact remains that Italian, Greek, Slavic, and German/Austrian/Swiss immigrants to the USA almost uniformly have ZERO ancestors who were responsible for the sick institution of African slavery in the British New World / USA.

    Replies: @Undocumented Shopper

    Also, Greeks and some Slavs were Turkish slaves until about 200 years ago.
    There were several ways this happened:
    – Greek, Bulgarian, Serb and some Croatian boys were forced to become Janissaries, which was a form of child slavery
    – The Turks traded slaves who were captured by Tatars – mostly Ukrainians, sometimes Russians and Poles
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
    Other Europeans, especially Italians were slaves in the Turkish-controlled Barbary Coast:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

    By the way, the Chechens whom Democrats and Neocons loved so much continued the Crimean economic model of kidnapping people for ransom. But that kind of slavery is fine with our rulers.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Undocumented Shopper

    The Slavs have been enslaved by their Germanic neighbors starting from the IXth century AD. The Frankish and Saxon military expeditions against the Western Slavs (Wends) have actually led to the words esclave and slave being used in France and England.

    The trend continues with the Jewish Khazar slavers who sold their captives to both Western Europeans and the Muslims. The Saqaliba slaves and captive and mercenary military units are mentioned in both the Abbasid and Ummayad Caliphates. During the Taifas time of the Islamic Spain some of these Slavic military officers became rulers of small principalities.

    Interestingly enough, the ancient Rus were also slavers who captured and sold Slavs. Prince Svyatoslav stated explicitly to his mother, St Olga that he was interested in conquering the Danube region because it was easier to trade slaves and different commodities produced by the Kievan Rus realm from there than from Kiev.

    The massive slave trade in Slavic and Rus populations continues under the Golden Horde and the Crimean Tatars. The Slavic captives are sold by the Golden Horde mainly to Genoans and Venetians who exported them to Italy and Western Europe. The Crimean Tatars sold their captives to the Ottoman Turks. And it is well known that the Janissaries were mainly balkanic Slavic youths taken from their Christian communities and forcibly converted into Muslim elite military units of the Ottoman era.

    Slavs should demand reparations for a thousand years of slavery that Jews, Muslims and Catholics imposed upon them. Slav Lives Matter! Reparations Now!

    Replies: @Seraphim

  103. @Pericles
    @Pericles

    An example from practice at Sochi, since you ask. Gaze at the Rainbow of Many Perversions on the driver protection 'halo' on the McLaren below.

    https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/sutton/2020/Russia/Friday/1276592807.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg

    Replies: @Matra

    F1 was bought out by an American media company, Liberty Media. Prior to that F1 was the most ‘based’ sport when it was run by the self-made man, Bernie Ecclestone, who was pro-Putin/Trump & Brexit, and anti-PC. (A few times there were attempts to oust Bernie from his position because of statements he made about – among other things – women drivers and Hitler’s more positive attributes). As soon as it was announced that Liberty were taking over I noticed an immediate change in the sport – wearing pink for breast cancer, the elimination of grid girls because they offended feminists – as well as with the journalists who cover it suddenly pushing their pet causes (the usual globohomo stuff) in their articles & blogs. It was better under Bernie’s Machiavellian leadership than under the bland corporate managerialism (I think Disney will soon own it) of today.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Matra

    True, F1 has become a lot more boring and PC in recent years. You get a nagging feeling that it's best years are behind it, much like many other pozzed public spectacles now that I think about it. Well, good for Bernie that he could cash out at least.

    Replies: @Aedib

  104. @Undocumented Shopper
    @RadicalCenter

    Also, Greeks and some Slavs were Turkish slaves until about 200 years ago.
    There were several ways this happened:
    - Greek, Bulgarian, Serb and some Croatian boys were forced to become Janissaries, which was a form of child slavery
    - The Turks traded slaves who were captured by Tatars - mostly Ukrainians, sometimes Russians and Poles
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
    Other Europeans, especially Italians were slaves in the Turkish-controlled Barbary Coast:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

    By the way, the Chechens whom Democrats and Neocons loved so much continued the Crimean economic model of kidnapping people for ransom. But that kind of slavery is fine with our rulers.

    Replies: @Ano4

    The Slavs have been enslaved by their Germanic neighbors starting from the IXth century AD. The Frankish and Saxon military expeditions against the Western Slavs (Wends) have actually led to the words esclave and slave being used in France and England.

    The trend continues with the Jewish Khazar slavers who sold their captives to both Western Europeans and the Muslims. The Saqaliba slaves and captive and mercenary military units are mentioned in both the Abbasid and Ummayad Caliphates. During the Taifas time of the Islamic Spain some of these Slavic military officers became rulers of small principalities.

    Interestingly enough, the ancient Rus were also slavers who captured and sold Slavs. Prince Svyatoslav stated explicitly to his mother, St Olga that he was interested in conquering the Danube region because it was easier to trade slaves and different commodities produced by the Kievan Rus realm from there than from Kiev.

    The massive slave trade in Slavic and Rus populations continues under the Golden Horde and the Crimean Tatars. The Slavic captives are sold by the Golden Horde mainly to Genoans and Venetians who exported them to Italy and Western Europe. The Crimean Tatars sold their captives to the Ottoman Turks. And it is well known that the Janissaries were mainly balkanic Slavic youths taken from their Christian communities and forcibly converted into Muslim elite military units of the Ottoman era.

    Slavs should demand reparations for a thousand years of slavery that Jews, Muslims and Catholics imposed upon them. Slav Lives Matter! Reparations Now!

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @Ano4

    Indeed, as Wikipedia is forced to admit: "The English term slave derives from the ethnonym Slav. In medieval wars many Slavs were captured and enslaved, which led to the word slav becoming synonym to "enslaved person". In addition, the English word Slav derives from the Middle English word sclave, which was borrowed from Medieval Latin sclavus or slavus, itself a borrowing and Byzantine Greek σκλάβος sklábos "slave," which was in turn apparently derived from a misunderstanding of the Slavic autonym (denoting a speaker of their own languages). The Byzantine term Sklavinoi was loaned into Arabic as Saqaliba (صقالبة; sing. Saqlabi, صقلبي) by medieval Arab historiographers".
    This fact had a tremendous effect upon the way the 'West' looked at the world outside their psycho-mental bubble. Russians, Balkaniks, 'Orientals' are an amorphous mass of bipeds born to be 'slaves' of the 'free' peoples wielding the bigger stick (or the 'battle-axes' if you go back in time, or tanks if you come to our times) or to be dictated what they should do and behave by their 'white' masters.

  105. @Coconuts
    @AnonFromTN

    Mainstream demographic projections indicate that by 2066 just less than 50% of the population of the UK will be white British, by the 2090s 80 % of the population of the UK will be non-white, by that point it will mostly be formerly British Britain.

    Replies: @Sya Beerens, @Cutler

    That projection you quoted is only from one demographic projection by an individual demographer not a concensus opinion for example I read a demographic study by several UK demographers estimating the ethnic make up of the UK to 2061 based on census, annual population surveys, migration flows births etc extrapolated over four scenarios which are no brexit soft brexit hard brexit and a much reduced immigration scenario based on economic parity in sending countries and different birth rates etc and their conclusions were far from as gloomy as the figure you quote. The figure you use is from professor David Coleman which is well out of date now.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Cutler

    I had a look around for that study, it seems these are the figures for the proportion of the population that is projected to be non-white British (or white Irish) by 2061: 41.9% with no Brexit, 40.4% with a soft Brexit, 35.6% with a hard Brexit. The hard Brexit prediction is made on the basis of the government actually implementing a manifesto commitment to reduce immigration to the low tens of thousands per year.

    However, the current government's plans for the new rules for immigration from outside the EEA appear to be more liberal and open than what is in place at the moment and huge pools of potential immigrants from outside the EU to draw on have been discussed (600-700 million).

    And, there is what I found to be a strange feature of the reaction to the BLM in the UK; the way it was quickly embraced by big capital. I wonder why might they be interested in a movement that is directed to reshaping the national sense of identity in a much more pro-multicultural direction?

    How long might it be before Pakistan, India, Nigeria etc. reach economic and birth rate parity with the white British population? Especially given that it is relatively unlikely that these countries will mainstream the LGBT and trans movements into their education system at any time soon, and they barely seem to have the more anti-natalist wing of feminism.

  106. @Matra
    @Pericles

    F1 was bought out by an American media company, Liberty Media. Prior to that F1 was the most 'based' sport when it was run by the self-made man, Bernie Ecclestone, who was pro-Putin/Trump & Brexit, and anti-PC. (A few times there were attempts to oust Bernie from his position because of statements he made about - among other things - women drivers and Hitler's more positive attributes). As soon as it was announced that Liberty were taking over I noticed an immediate change in the sport - wearing pink for breast cancer, the elimination of grid girls because they offended feminists - as well as with the journalists who cover it suddenly pushing their pet causes (the usual globohomo stuff) in their articles & blogs. It was better under Bernie's Machiavellian leadership than under the bland corporate managerialism (I think Disney will soon own it) of today.

    Replies: @Pericles

    True, F1 has become a lot more boring and PC in recent years. You get a nagging feeling that it’s best years are behind it, much like many other pozzed public spectacles now that I think about it. Well, good for Bernie that he could cash out at least.

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @Pericles

    The next year will be better because the ground effect will be back and the aerodynamics will be simplified. There should be more surpasses. Ideally, emasculated pilots should be replaced by pilots with more personality.

    Replies: @Pericles

  107. @Pericles
    @Matra

    True, F1 has become a lot more boring and PC in recent years. You get a nagging feeling that it's best years are behind it, much like many other pozzed public spectacles now that I think about it. Well, good for Bernie that he could cash out at least.

    Replies: @Aedib

    The next year will be better because the ground effect will be back and the aerodynamics will be simplified. There should be more surpasses. Ideally, emasculated pilots should be replaced by pilots with more personality.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Aedib

    Regarding the technical regulation, the sport has to become more competitive. It was bad enough last year with three teams competing for the top six spots and the rest tagging along. This year it's just Mercedes. I wonder if getting rid of the complicated hybrids in favor of, say, good old petrol engines would help?

    The overarching problem is of course not technical but that the whole thing is now owned by fun-hating buzzkills from the US. Virtue shall be signaled, homos shall prance, blacks shall complain, etc.

  108. @Cutler
    @Coconuts

    That projection you quoted is only from one demographic projection by an individual demographer not a concensus opinion for example I read a demographic study by several UK demographers estimating the ethnic make up of the UK to 2061 based on census, annual population surveys, migration flows births etc extrapolated over four scenarios which are no brexit soft brexit hard brexit and a much reduced immigration scenario based on economic parity in sending countries and different birth rates etc and their conclusions were far from as gloomy as the figure you quote. The figure you use is from professor David Coleman which is well out of date now.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I had a look around for that study, it seems these are the figures for the proportion of the population that is projected to be non-white British (or white Irish) by 2061: 41.9% with no Brexit, 40.4% with a soft Brexit, 35.6% with a hard Brexit. The hard Brexit prediction is made on the basis of the government actually implementing a manifesto commitment to reduce immigration to the low tens of thousands per year.

    However, the current government’s plans for the new rules for immigration from outside the EEA appear to be more liberal and open than what is in place at the moment and huge pools of potential immigrants from outside the EU to draw on have been discussed (600-700 million).

    And, there is what I found to be a strange feature of the reaction to the BLM in the UK; the way it was quickly embraced by big capital. I wonder why might they be interested in a movement that is directed to reshaping the national sense of identity in a much more pro-multicultural direction?

    How long might it be before Pakistan, India, Nigeria etc. reach economic and birth rate parity with the white British population? Especially given that it is relatively unlikely that these countries will mainstream the LGBT and trans movements into their education system at any time soon, and they barely seem to have the more anti-natalist wing of feminism.

  109. @Europe Europa
    @RadicalCenter

    Southern Europeans were heavily involved in slavery, probably to a greater extent than the British Empire. That's why Brazil is full of blacks, yet I never hear anyone attacking them for their history.

    I suppose it's because most people see Spaniards and Portuguese as at least "off-white", or even as "non-whites", and non-whites can't be guilty of racism or oppression so their history is not open to any criticism, just as the history of the Arab slave trade isn't.

    Southern Europeans are just not judged by the same standards as British and Germans. Their history of racist and oppressive behaviour is mostly seen in the context of "non-white on non-white".

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Coconuts

    I believe the Portuguese/Brazilians were the largest traders by volume. Brazil does have a certain level of black population, IRC under 10%, but many many people are mixed to one extent or another because of Portuguese Luso-tropicalismo activities.

    The Portuguese also brought many slaves to Portugal itself in the 16th century, Africans, Indians, Koreans, Japanese and had children with them, so in Lisbon in particular there are quite a few people with some African ancestry along the way.

    They definitely view themselves as white, though Portuguese governments have a reasonably long history of officially race blind policies, they must be the only European authoritarian right wing government to issue condemnations of racial prejudice and identify Africans as ‘our brothers’ during in the 1940-42 period.

    It is probably the fact that Portugal/Brazil were too poor and in many ways underdeveloped to fit in with the narrative about the prosperity of the US and European countries deriving mainly from slavery which means that this history is often ignored.

  110. @Ano4
    @Undocumented Shopper

    The Slavs have been enslaved by their Germanic neighbors starting from the IXth century AD. The Frankish and Saxon military expeditions against the Western Slavs (Wends) have actually led to the words esclave and slave being used in France and England.

    The trend continues with the Jewish Khazar slavers who sold their captives to both Western Europeans and the Muslims. The Saqaliba slaves and captive and mercenary military units are mentioned in both the Abbasid and Ummayad Caliphates. During the Taifas time of the Islamic Spain some of these Slavic military officers became rulers of small principalities.

    Interestingly enough, the ancient Rus were also slavers who captured and sold Slavs. Prince Svyatoslav stated explicitly to his mother, St Olga that he was interested in conquering the Danube region because it was easier to trade slaves and different commodities produced by the Kievan Rus realm from there than from Kiev.

    The massive slave trade in Slavic and Rus populations continues under the Golden Horde and the Crimean Tatars. The Slavic captives are sold by the Golden Horde mainly to Genoans and Venetians who exported them to Italy and Western Europe. The Crimean Tatars sold their captives to the Ottoman Turks. And it is well known that the Janissaries were mainly balkanic Slavic youths taken from their Christian communities and forcibly converted into Muslim elite military units of the Ottoman era.

    Slavs should demand reparations for a thousand years of slavery that Jews, Muslims and Catholics imposed upon them. Slav Lives Matter! Reparations Now!

    Replies: @Seraphim

    Indeed, as Wikipedia is forced to admit: “The English term slave derives from the ethnonym Slav. In medieval wars many Slavs were captured and enslaved, which led to the word slav becoming synonym to “enslaved person”. In addition, the English word Slav derives from the Middle English word sclave, which was borrowed from Medieval Latin sclavus or slavus, itself a borrowing and Byzantine Greek σκλάβος sklábos “slave,” which was in turn apparently derived from a misunderstanding of the Slavic autonym (denoting a speaker of their own languages). The Byzantine term Sklavinoi was loaned into Arabic as Saqaliba (صقالبة; sing. Saqlabi, صقلبي) by medieval Arab historiographers”.
    This fact had a tremendous effect upon the way the ‘West’ looked at the world outside their psycho-mental bubble. Russians, Balkaniks, ‘Orientals’ are an amorphous mass of bipeds born to be ‘slaves’ of the ‘free’ peoples wielding the bigger stick (or the ‘battle-axes’ if you go back in time, or tanks if you come to our times) or to be dictated what they should do and behave by their ‘white’ masters.

    • Agree: Ano4
  111. @Aedib
    @Pericles

    The next year will be better because the ground effect will be back and the aerodynamics will be simplified. There should be more surpasses. Ideally, emasculated pilots should be replaced by pilots with more personality.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Regarding the technical regulation, the sport has to become more competitive. It was bad enough last year with three teams competing for the top six spots and the rest tagging along. This year it’s just Mercedes. I wonder if getting rid of the complicated hybrids in favor of, say, good old petrol engines would help?

    The overarching problem is of course not technical but that the whole thing is now owned by fun-hating buzzkills from the US. Virtue shall be signaled, homos shall prance, blacks shall complain, etc.

  112. @Undocumented Shopper
    @Europe Europa


    It doesn’t seem to me that most Slavs look at the BLM and race riots in Western countries with much sympathy, but more with pity and a level of contempt that Anglo/Germanic culture is so deficient in this area compared to theirs.
     
    There is a big difference between those countries that had colonial empires and the countries that did not, and Slavic countries did not. Moreover, most Slavic countries experienced loss of sovereignty at some point in their history, so they see themselves as victims.

    Instead of colonialism/racism, anti-Semitism is the main hammer that's used to make them feel guilty and at least as far as intellectuals are concerned, it works.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Adûnâi

    > “Instead of colonialism/racism, anti-Semitism is the main hammer that’s used to make them feel guilty and at least as far as intellectuals are concerned, it works.”

    No. I have been musing on the subject over the past few days. The issues with Russia are such:

    1) Russia cannot exist without Ukraine;
    2) we have not seen a republican Russia without Putin;
    3) Russia has to rediscover its respect for its government if it is to survive.

    The main point is (3). Yes, you are right that Russians do not hate themselves as individuals, the way American Aryans despise their own blood. And yet, Russians still hate “themselves” – their own country, their own president, their own government, and for all the wrong reasons. A large subset of the population holds in contempt everything non-Western and non-capitalist. Another part cannot truly trust Putin because he did not annex Novorussia/Donbass in 2014, because he did not bring back Soviet Socialism by putting all the fat kikes in prison, because the roads/alcoholism/police/rural areas are bad, etc.

    Russia must bring back its own self-esteem as a nation, or it is lost. One way or another. One way is to conquer Eastern Europe, which is quite impossible. Another is to go homosexual, and that is unnatural (and what to do with LGBT when America inevitably keels over and dies?). After Putin passes away, either bringing back Socialism and/or going full Fascist Orthodox theocracy might be bloody, and the result might be disintegrating.

    This is why I do not see a future where Russia survives to 2100 CE. What will remain of European Russia will probably move their capital to Novgorod and join the last Aryan stronghold on the planet in Mitteleuropa against Eurabia and Turkey.
    https://aduunaai.wordpress.com/2020/09/22/the-world-in-2100-ce-by-adunai/

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Adûnâi


    1) Russia cannot exist without Ukraine
     
    What is the logic behind this statement?

    Replies: @Adûnâi

  113. @Adûnâi
    @Undocumented Shopper

    > "Instead of colonialism/racism, anti-Semitism is the main hammer that’s used to make them feel guilty and at least as far as intellectuals are concerned, it works."

    No. I have been musing on the subject over the past few days. The issues with Russia are such:

    1) Russia cannot exist without Ukraine;
    2) we have not seen a republican Russia without Putin;
    3) Russia has to rediscover its respect for its government if it is to survive.

    The main point is (3). Yes, you are right that Russians do not hate themselves as individuals, the way American Aryans despise their own blood. And yet, Russians still hate "themselves" - their own country, their own president, their own government, and for all the wrong reasons. A large subset of the population holds in contempt everything non-Western and non-capitalist. Another part cannot truly trust Putin because he did not annex Novorussia/Donbass in 2014, because he did not bring back Soviet Socialism by putting all the fat kikes in prison, because the roads/alcoholism/police/rural areas are bad, etc.

    Russia must bring back its own self-esteem as a nation, or it is lost. One way or another. One way is to conquer Eastern Europe, which is quite impossible. Another is to go homosexual, and that is unnatural (and what to do with LGBT when America inevitably keels over and dies?). After Putin passes away, either bringing back Socialism and/or going full Fascist Orthodox theocracy might be bloody, and the result might be disintegrating.

    This is why I do not see a future where Russia survives to 2100 CE. What will remain of European Russia will probably move their capital to Novgorod and join the last Aryan stronghold on the planet in Mitteleuropa against Eurabia and Turkey.
    https://aduunaai.wordpress.com/2020/09/22/the-world-in-2100-ce-by-adunai/

    Replies: @Ano4

    1) Russia cannot exist without Ukraine

    What is the logic behind this statement?

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    @Ano4

    > "What is the logic behind this statement?"

    It is mostly a question of ideological préstige, and also some industrial importance. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Ukraine is effectively a second Russian state, and it uses the seal of Novgorod Variags as its coat of arms (the trident). Novorussia from Odessa to Rostov was an imperial colonisation project and a testament to Turkey's downfall.

    Agreeing to lose all of that is so cucked, I don't see why not impose Polish-American LGBT. (Probably because the Poles oppose LGBT, and the Americans are going extinct.) Paraphrasing Hitler, Russia will either become a Great Power, or there will be no Russia.

    Replies: @Ano4

  114. @Ano4
    @Adûnâi


    1) Russia cannot exist without Ukraine
     
    What is the logic behind this statement?

    Replies: @Adûnâi

    > “What is the logic behind this statement?”

    It is mostly a question of ideological préstige, and also some industrial importance. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Ukraine is effectively a second Russian state, and it uses the seal of Novgorod Variags as its coat of arms (the trident). Novorussia from Odessa to Rostov was an imperial colonisation project and a testament to Turkey’s downfall.

    Agreeing to lose all of that is so cucked, I don’t see why not impose Polish-American LGBT. (Probably because the Poles oppose LGBT, and the Americans are going extinct.) Paraphrasing Hitler, Russia will either become a Great Power, or there will be no Russia.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Adûnâi


    It is mostly a question of ideological préstige
     
    I don't think préstige is vital for a country. Any country, Russia included. Economy is way more important. But both Russian and Ukrainian economies can function independently from each other, although with a lower efficiency.

    Ukraine is effectively a second Russian state
     
    Currently Ukraine is an anti-Russian state. It is defined by being "not Russia ". If Ukraine truly becomes a second Russian state, then so be it (the more Russian states, the better), but at the present moment it is doing all its possible to sever all links to its common heritage with the Russian people. Ukraine might have chosen to preserve and celebrate its Rusyn origins, but it decided otherwise.
  115. @Adûnâi
    @Ano4

    > "What is the logic behind this statement?"

    It is mostly a question of ideological préstige, and also some industrial importance. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Ukraine is effectively a second Russian state, and it uses the seal of Novgorod Variags as its coat of arms (the trident). Novorussia from Odessa to Rostov was an imperial colonisation project and a testament to Turkey's downfall.

    Agreeing to lose all of that is so cucked, I don't see why not impose Polish-American LGBT. (Probably because the Poles oppose LGBT, and the Americans are going extinct.) Paraphrasing Hitler, Russia will either become a Great Power, or there will be no Russia.

    Replies: @Ano4

    It is mostly a question of ideological préstige

    I don’t think préstige is vital for a country. Any country, Russia included. Economy is way more important. But both Russian and Ukrainian economies can function independently from each other, although with a lower efficiency.

    Ukraine is effectively a second Russian state

    Currently Ukraine is an anti-Russian state. It is defined by being “not Russia “. If Ukraine truly becomes a second Russian state, then so be it (the more Russian states, the better), but at the present moment it is doing all its possible to sever all links to its common heritage with the Russian people. Ukraine might have chosen to preserve and celebrate its Rusyn origins, but it decided otherwise.

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