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As of April 24, 2020, you no longer have to give up your foreign citizenship to get a Russian one.

Other categories:

  • Stateless persons in the f.USSR no longer have to reside in Russia for three years. (Obvious application: Russians in the Baltic states).
  • Spouses of Russian citizens living in Russia and who have children with them.
  • Foreigners, at least one of whose parents have Russian citizenship and live in Russia.
  • Citizens of Moldova, Ukraine, Belorussia, and Kazakhstan who have a residency permit in Russia can apply for citizenship without any need to live in Russia for a set period of years.

All in all, this is excellent news that is the culmination of proposals first made in 2018 that will help consolidate the Russian World and make the lives of high human capital expats easier. Meanwhile, the waiving of residency requirements (and Russian language knowledge) only for those four countries in particular is as good refutation as any that these reforms are a covert means to launch “population replacement” on the West European model.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

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  2. Foreigners, at least one of whose parents have Russian citizenship and live in Russia.

    Sounds like a loophole for mudsharks. Nothing is as toxic to borders and nationalism as little mulatto Ivan asking his female schoolmates, “Ain’t I Russian?”

    Easy enough to solve: remove the citizenship of mudsharks and deport them and their brood to Zimbabwe.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @songbird

    Impossible without a racialist state, of which there is precisely one in this world. (Best Korea).

    Replies: @jbwilson24, @songbird, @Blinky Bill

    , @Blinky Bill
    @songbird


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9JfMSvCYAApix9?format=jpg

  3. @songbird

    Foreigners, at least one of whose parents have Russian citizenship and live in Russia.
     
    Sounds like a loophole for mudsharks. Nothing is as toxic to borders and nationalism as little mulatto Ivan asking his female schoolmates, "Ain't I Russian?"

    Easy enough to solve: remove the citizenship of mudsharks and deport them and their brood to Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill

    Impossible without a racialist state, of which there is precisely one in this world. (Best Korea).

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I dunno, Pakistan and India restrict immigration heavily. Turkey pretty much massacred all of its ethnic minorities. The Arab countries generally don't give citizenship to members of other ethnic groups, keeping them in limbo as guest workers. Mexico's immigration law forbids immigration that changes the ethnic character of the country.

    Anyhow, this is better than I had feared. I'm still hit by the language requirements, but at least the doors are not open to low IQ third worlders as they are in Sweden. Not having a suicidally generous welfare state is also a plus when it comes to keeping the rapacious, grenade-tossing tides out of a country.

    I'd rather be riding out this pandemic in Russia than the USA, to be honest. The food supply chain is wobbling here, and we have a big plot of land in my wife's hometown. Some UN bigwig just warned of famines, and it is better to be in a country that is largely food self-sufficient, and in which you have land for crops.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

    , @songbird
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I understand that Saudi citizenship is only achievable through having a Saudi father, not a Saudi mother.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In a 2006 meeting, North Korea complained about the growing number of foreigners in South Korea saying “Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall in the Han River.”

    https://youtu.be/ETFkAzIKEas

    South Korea is finished, they just don't know it yet.

    Replies: @neutral

  4. Russia simply capitulated as it finally understood that it can’t make russians have children.

    So from now on it will be desperate tricks to get people from somewhere.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Passer by

    Something that has been in the works since 2018, when the fertility rate was 1.58. But ok.

    , @Denis
    @Passer by


    Russia simply capitulated
     
    I don't think this is a good idea, but it is far from a capitulation. It is clearly geared towards encouraging immigration from the near abroad, a sensible policy that should be pursued. The primary change I would make is explicitly organizing these sorts of changes around that objective.
    , @Anuxicus
    @Passer by

    Russia had a replacement fertility as recently as 1988 - So clearly ethnic Russians were replacing themselves recently as 32 years ago. You can't fix this with money alone though, you need to change the culture.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Passer by

  5. @Anatoly Karlin
    @songbird

    Impossible without a racialist state, of which there is precisely one in this world. (Best Korea).

    Replies: @jbwilson24, @songbird, @Blinky Bill

    I dunno, Pakistan and India restrict immigration heavily. Turkey pretty much massacred all of its ethnic minorities. The Arab countries generally don’t give citizenship to members of other ethnic groups, keeping them in limbo as guest workers. Mexico’s immigration law forbids immigration that changes the ethnic character of the country.

    Anyhow, this is better than I had feared. I’m still hit by the language requirements, but at least the doors are not open to low IQ third worlders as they are in Sweden. Not having a suicidally generous welfare state is also a plus when it comes to keeping the rapacious, grenade-tossing tides out of a country.

    I’d rather be riding out this pandemic in Russia than the USA, to be honest. The food supply chain is wobbling here, and we have a big plot of land in my wife’s hometown. Some UN bigwig just warned of famines, and it is better to be in a country that is largely food self-sufficient, and in which you have land for crops.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    @jbwilson24

    At present no one seriously wants to emigrate to India/Pakistan except Bangladeshi/Afghans to ethnically similar areas West Bengal and NWFP respectively.

    Yes, as India develops into a second world country over the next 20 years and the Islamic middle east collapses due to permanent reduction of oil demand (even non oil countries like Turkey will not do well due to Islamists like Erdogan rogering their economy) we will see a Hindu Nationalist India explicitly stating No Muslims allowed.We recently passed something known as the Citizenship Amendment Act which basically allows immigration of everyone EXCEPT Muslims from neighbouring countries.

    I personally would welcome Zoroastrians,Bahais, Yezidis and Coptic Christians from the middle east.Though I am not keen on Africans emigrating here.

    As for Turkey hard times are just around the corner.Kurdish population is 25÷ with a fertility of 3-4 whereas the ethnic Turkey population is sub replacement fertility. On top of that you have long term wrecking of the economy well under way by the Islamists..

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @ariel, @anonymous599

  6. @Anatoly Karlin
    @songbird

    Impossible without a racialist state, of which there is precisely one in this world. (Best Korea).

    Replies: @jbwilson24, @songbird, @Blinky Bill

    I understand that Saudi citizenship is only achievable through having a Saudi father, not a Saudi mother.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @songbird

    Will only solve half the issue.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51erXkUUjgL._AC_SY400_.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  7. @Passer by
    Russia simply capitulated as it finally understood that it can't make russians have children.

    So from now on it will be desperate tricks to get people from somewhere.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Denis, @Anuxicus

    Something that has been in the works since 2018, when the fertility rate was 1.58. But ok.

  8. @jbwilson24
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I dunno, Pakistan and India restrict immigration heavily. Turkey pretty much massacred all of its ethnic minorities. The Arab countries generally don't give citizenship to members of other ethnic groups, keeping them in limbo as guest workers. Mexico's immigration law forbids immigration that changes the ethnic character of the country.

    Anyhow, this is better than I had feared. I'm still hit by the language requirements, but at least the doors are not open to low IQ third worlders as they are in Sweden. Not having a suicidally generous welfare state is also a plus when it comes to keeping the rapacious, grenade-tossing tides out of a country.

    I'd rather be riding out this pandemic in Russia than the USA, to be honest. The food supply chain is wobbling here, and we have a big plot of land in my wife's hometown. Some UN bigwig just warned of famines, and it is better to be in a country that is largely food self-sufficient, and in which you have land for crops.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

    At present no one seriously wants to emigrate to India/Pakistan except Bangladeshi/Afghans to ethnically similar areas West Bengal and NWFP respectively.

    Yes, as India develops into a second world country over the next 20 years and the Islamic middle east collapses due to permanent reduction of oil demand (even non oil countries like Turkey will not do well due to Islamists like Erdogan rogering their economy) we will see a Hindu Nationalist India explicitly stating No Muslims allowed.We recently passed something known as the Citizenship Amendment Act which basically allows immigration of everyone EXCEPT Muslims from neighbouring countries.

    I personally would welcome Zoroastrians,Bahais, Yezidis and Coptic Christians from the middle east.Though I am not keen on Africans emigrating here.

    As for Turkey hard times are just around the corner.Kurdish population is 25÷ with a fertility of 3-4 whereas the ethnic Turkey population is sub replacement fertility. On top of that you have long term wrecking of the economy well under way by the Islamists..

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
    @Vishnugupta

    The Indian law you mention, CAA, was a refugee law that fast tracked citizenship requests of non-Muslims who had entered India before 2014 from either Afghanistan, Pakistan or Bangladesh.

    The key part is that they must have entered the country before 2014, so it doesn't really allow for contemporary immigration.

    Will India really become a 2nd world country over the next 20 years? The UN populations prospects 2019 revision predicts that the Indian population will grow from 1.4bn to 1.6bn over the next 20 years

    https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/2_Probabilistic%20Projections/1_Population/1_Total%20Population/India.png

    This is going to be highly dysgenic fertility. India is already too diverse and is seeing inter-religion tension, it seems these problems will only get in the way of economic growth and prosperity.

    Bangladesh has managed to get its fertility rate down and is very homogenous, their per capita GDP will surpass that of India soon as their growth rate is still very high and their population is not growing as fast.

    On a side note, would Indian Hindus support a second partition but this time one that ensures no Muslims are left in India? And why is your Hindu nationalist government not supporting a population control law, aren't Muslims in India outbreeding the Hindus?

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

    , @ariel
    @Vishnugupta

    fertility in India is barely at replacement level, around 2.2 also half of the Indian states have a tfr below 2

    , @anonymous599
    @Vishnugupta

    Fertility problem of Turkey isn't just about the Kurds. Population of Syrians, inc Kurds, Arabs, Turkmens, is 5.5 at average (I don't include Afgans(~2 million), Central Asians, Africans, other Arabs, Pakistanis etc..) Even Erdogan's spokesman said Turkey,right now, feeds around 7 million Syrians (I think it includes all Syrians including those in Syria). When you also add other illegals, total population of them is around 10 million.

    While fertility of secular Turks is not better then liberals in the West (might be worse as a result of multiple problems in Turkey, I can tell from what I see it is close to Korean fertility), islamists still have above 2 (~2.5). When you consider accelerated migration of secular/taxpayer Turks to Europe/US etc., I mean even majority of elite high school graduates prefer to go study esp. in Germany/France which never happened(let alone doctors/scientist/engineers/software developers etc.), the effect of brain drainage will have significant effect in upcoming decades.

  9. @songbird

    Foreigners, at least one of whose parents have Russian citizenship and live in Russia.
     
    Sounds like a loophole for mudsharks. Nothing is as toxic to borders and nationalism as little mulatto Ivan asking his female schoolmates, "Ain't I Russian?"

    Easy enough to solve: remove the citizenship of mudsharks and deport them and their brood to Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill

    • LOL: songbird
  10. @songbird
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I understand that Saudi citizenship is only achievable through having a Saudi father, not a Saudi mother.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Will only solve half the issue.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Blinky Bill

    BTW, it's a pretty interesting question how Arabs got their African admixture. I don't know if anyone has tried to study it, but I wonder if there might be more complexity to it than that they were closer to Africa and had slavery for longer.

    Like, maybe it had something to do with polygamy (this is what I'd guess). High status males had first pick of women, leaving lower status males with no women, so they were desperate for women. I guess this would make polygamy dysgenic, and maybe, it had something to do with the collapse of science in the Arab world. I also wonder if polygamy might explain the practice of castration. Then there might be lesser factors. Due to sex-segregation and women being covered up, there was probably less social ostracism to miscegenation.

    I'd also be interested in how polygamy plays into the modern granting of citizenship.

  11. @Anatoly Karlin
    @songbird

    Impossible without a racialist state, of which there is precisely one in this world. (Best Korea).

    Replies: @jbwilson24, @songbird, @Blinky Bill

    In a 2006 meeting, North Korea complained about the growing number of foreigners in South Korea saying “Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall in the Han River.”

    [MORE]

    South Korea is finished, they just don’t know it yet.

    • Agree: neutral
    • Replies: @neutral
    @Blinky Bill

    They have more important things to do. Protecting their border from North Korea is what matters, being overrun by blacks and plummeting birth rates is what true cucks don't care about.

  12. From the link:

    Также для людей, родившихся в СССР и живших в его бывших республиках, но не получивших их гражданства, снимаются требования об обязательном трехлетнем проживании в России до подачи заявления и о подтверждении законного источника дохода.

    Эту же норму распространят на иностранных супругов российских граждан, проживающих в России и имеющих общих детей, а также на иностранцев, у которых один из родителей имеет российское гражданство и живет в России.

    So how long do foreign spouses of Russian citizens with Russian kids have to live in Russia before getting Russian citizenship? It would be funny if I got a Russian passport.

    • Agree: Dreadilk
    • LOL: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @AP

    Because of there new changes I'm now eligible for Russian Citizenship !!! How do you feel about been in same position ? Negative, Positive, conflicted, indifferent anything at all ? I'm really curious AP.

    Replies: @AP

  13. @AP
    From the link:

    Также для людей, родившихся в СССР и живших в его бывших республиках, но не получивших их гражданства, снимаются требования об обязательном трехлетнем проживании в России до подачи заявления и о подтверждении законного источника дохода.

    Эту же норму распространят на иностранных супругов российских граждан, проживающих в России и имеющих общих детей, а также на иностранцев, у которых один из родителей имеет российское гражданство и живет в России.
     
    So how long do foreign spouses of Russian citizens with Russian kids have to live in Russia before getting Russian citizenship? It would be funny if I got a Russian passport.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Because of there new changes I’m now eligible for Russian Citizenship !!! How do you feel about been in same position ? Negative, Positive, conflicted, indifferent anything at all ? I’m really curious AP.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Blinky Bill

    We would still have to be living in Russia to get citizenship, though maybe for only a year. Had this been an option before I got a job I would have taken a year off and stayed in Moscow (I had been living there for summers when I could).

    If residency were something like a month, I would do it in a heartbeat. It would save me the hassle of having to get visas when I visit (though I now have a multiple-entry visa good for a few years). I've always been a fan of Russian culture and the Russian people (I married one, after all). And Moscow is my favorite city in the world.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  14. AP says:
    @Blinky Bill
    @AP

    Because of there new changes I'm now eligible for Russian Citizenship !!! How do you feel about been in same position ? Negative, Positive, conflicted, indifferent anything at all ? I'm really curious AP.

    Replies: @AP

    We would still have to be living in Russia to get citizenship, though maybe for only a year. Had this been an option before I got a job I would have taken a year off and stayed in Moscow (I had been living there for summers when I could).

    If residency were something like a month, I would do it in a heartbeat. It would save me the hassle of having to get visas when I visit (though I now have a multiple-entry visa good for a few years). I’ve always been a fan of Russian culture and the Russian people (I married one, after all). And Moscow is my favorite city in the world.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    I’ve always been a fan of Russian culture and the Russian people (I married one, after all). And Moscow is my favorite city in the world.
     
    Look AP, you've got the right to like Moscow, or anything else to your heart's content, however, I for one (and even AK if I remember correctly) find it hard to reconcile your well earned "Ukrainian patriot" image with your exaggerated love affair with Russia? If you were a "Triunist" like your good friend AK, the ideas that you espouse and your image would much more closely resemble one another - but you're clearly not. Ask most any reader of this blog, how they might characterize your positions regarding Russian/Ukrainian relations and they'd most likely and crudely characterize you as a "Ukro-Nazi", "Banderite", "Galician" etc; I think that I'm the only one here who would more accurately refer to you as a "Ukrainian patriot." You're well known for your positions supporting Ukraine's inclusion into the European world, with Poland/Lithuania being the gateway, or even what appears as a misplaced fondness of Austrian Hapsburg culture. Why not get with the program and support Ukraine's re-entrance into the Ruskij Mir? Otherwise, you might get permanently locked into some kind of cultural/political anomalous black hole?
     
     

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin

  15. Citizens of Moldova, Ukraine, Belorussia, and Kazakhstan who have a residency permit in Russia can apply for citizenship without any need to live in Russia for a set period of years.
    …the waiving of residency requirements only for those four countries in particular is as good refutation as any that these reforms are a covert means to launch “population replacement” on the West European model.

    At the end of the day shitty Russian economy is our best protection from the Western European model.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
    @Felix Keverich

    Russians are still pretty ethnocentric, a characteristic they share with Eastern Bloc nations. So if a large number of foreigners were to come, they would not be made to feel welcome.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511875/Terrifying-moment-subway-passenger-shot-face-racist-attack-Russian-metro.html

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    , @The Alarmist
    @Felix Keverich

    I dunno ... by the time the current crop of Western leaders gets done saving us from My Corona, the USSR circa 1989 is going to look good to most in the West.

  16. @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In a 2006 meeting, North Korea complained about the growing number of foreigners in South Korea saying “Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall in the Han River.”

    https://youtu.be/ETFkAzIKEas

    South Korea is finished, they just don't know it yet.

    Replies: @neutral

    They have more important things to do. Protecting their border from North Korea is what matters, being overrun by blacks and plummeting birth rates is what true cucks don’t care about.

  17. The good:

    1. No sham marriages, whose abuse is widespread in some (most?) Western countries. It’s common in the UK. If I understand correctly, you must have at least a child with a Russian citizen before you can apply.

    2. Citizenship easing for Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan are targeted at Slavs and the Kazakhs probably know it, since the term ‘compatriot’ is employed often and it’s clear what it means. Regarding Moldova’s separatist region, it’s populated mostly by Slavs, including Ukrainians, but I think Russia is fine if ordinary ethnic Moldovans apply. They are a mix of Slavs and Romanians, but they are not that dissimilar from southern Russians. Overall, solid stock (more so than certain European populations), with attractive females.

    3. You no longer have to abandon your birth country’s citizenship. This is a step in the right direction, and much needed if Russia is to take a racialist approach to immigration in the future, because white Americans, for example, will be able to move to & experience Russia, form a family, and finally get the benefits of citizenship, without fear of being stuck in if things go wrong (it’s a reasonable fear).

    The bad:

    1. Karlin doesn’t mention it but “foreigners educated at Russian state institutions after July 1, 2002” can also apply for citizenship. You have hundreds of African “students” in Russia, if not thousands, and other non-European ethnicities as well. Right-wingers point out to the considerable number of foreign students who end up becoming citizens or gaining permanent residency.

    2. PLEASE, correct me if I’m wrong, but although the new law makes it easier for stateless Russians in the former SU (i.e. the Baltics), and for citizens of the aforementioned four countries, some changes apply universally, among them the shorter period needed of living/working in Russia before you can become a citizen. My biggest fear is having seasonal Central Asian workers finding ways to become citizens.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @JL
    @Dengin


    1. No sham marriages, whose abuse is widespread in some (most?) Western countries. It’s common in the UK. If I understand correctly, you must have at least a child with a Russian citizen before you can apply.
     
    This is incorrect, having a child, or children, merely allows the waiver of the 3 year residency requirement before applying for citizenship. In fact, sham marriages are much easier in Russia because there is no effort undertaken to prove the marriages are legitimate. However, Russian citizenship is not so desirable as for this to be a large problem, and there are other filters like the incredible hassle of the process. Basically, getting even residence status in Russia requires time, persistence, money and at least a modicum of intelligence (or cunning).
  18. One effect, I imagine, would be to encourage the immigrant Central Asian workers to apply for Russian citizenship now?

  19. Stateless persons in the f.USSR no longer have to reside in Russia for three years. (Obvious application: Russians in the Baltic states).

    If that helps peacefully to get rid of more Soviet colonists of all kinds from Baltic states it would be a great win indeed, because it seems that requirement for constant living in RF teritorry still remains in order to get such easened RF citizenship.

    • Replies: @JL
    @sudden death

    Considering the rate of emigration from, and population decline of, the Baltic statelets, if the Soviet colonists leave will there be anybody left?

    Replies: @Haruto Rat, @sudden death, @anonymous coward

    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death


    Get rid of more colonists
     
    LOL- Lithuania, who have by far the least Russians in the baltics, have got the largest alcoholism rate in the world, and one of the world's highest suicide rates. I'll give extra points for ineptness because I'm fairly sure 1.95m+ tall. people aren't suspised to be as susceptible to alcoholism, yet Lithuania has to be the tallest country I have seen, outside of the Balkans.

    Perhaps not enough Russians or "colonists" is the problem in these idiot countries.

    All the Baltics have had North American presidents LOL. Latvia currently has an American PM and Jew-German President. At one stage, as these states joined NATO and EU, their Nazi-scumbag presidents had lived 140 years more in North America than they had in their "own" countries. Recent American President of Estonia showed his "patriotism".... by moving back to work in America after his term ended! Keeping up with the ukrop banderite "tradition".

    Estonia President is more ceremonial than the others- you have to wonder how pathetic these countries are to not be able to elect an anti-Soviet local as leader, instead of some American puppet. At least the poles got domestic puppets. Perhaps the reason they can't is because anti-soviet sentiment in the Baltics was nowhere near the levels claimed.

    Russia is by far the largest trading partner of the Baltics--so they are parasites as well as liars.

    Paskas, not Trump, was the first President to be impeached for "links" to Russia. A straightforward illegal farce- of course to be replaced by the Nazi-American scumbag he democratically defeated, against the odds, in an election just before.

    Replies: @sudden death

  20. JL says:
    @Dengin
    The good:

    1. No sham marriages, whose abuse is widespread in some (most?) Western countries. It's common in the UK. If I understand correctly, you must have at least a child with a Russian citizen before you can apply.

    2. Citizenship easing for Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan are targeted at Slavs and the Kazakhs probably know it, since the term 'compatriot' is employed often and it's clear what it means. Regarding Moldova's separatist region, it's populated mostly by Slavs, including Ukrainians, but I think Russia is fine if ordinary ethnic Moldovans apply. They are a mix of Slavs and Romanians, but they are not that dissimilar from southern Russians. Overall, solid stock (more so than certain European populations), with attractive females.

    3. You no longer have to abandon your birth country's citizenship. This is a step in the right direction, and much needed if Russia is to take a racialist approach to immigration in the future, because white Americans, for example, will be able to move to & experience Russia, form a family, and finally get the benefits of citizenship, without fear of being stuck in if things go wrong (it's a reasonable fear).

    The bad:

    1. Karlin doesn't mention it but "foreigners educated at Russian state institutions after July 1, 2002" can also apply for citizenship. You have hundreds of African "students" in Russia, if not thousands, and other non-European ethnicities as well. Right-wingers point out to the considerable number of foreign students who end up becoming citizens or gaining permanent residency.

    2. PLEASE, correct me if I'm wrong, but although the new law makes it easier for stateless Russians in the former SU (i.e. the Baltics), and for citizens of the aforementioned four countries, some changes apply universally, among them the shorter period needed of living/working in Russia before you can become a citizen. My biggest fear is having seasonal Central Asian workers finding ways to become citizens.

    Replies: @JL

    1. No sham marriages, whose abuse is widespread in some (most?) Western countries. It’s common in the UK. If I understand correctly, you must have at least a child with a Russian citizen before you can apply.

    This is incorrect, having a child, or children, merely allows the waiver of the 3 year residency requirement before applying for citizenship. In fact, sham marriages are much easier in Russia because there is no effort undertaken to prove the marriages are legitimate. However, Russian citizenship is not so desirable as for this to be a large problem, and there are other filters like the incredible hassle of the process. Basically, getting even residence status in Russia requires time, persistence, money and at least a modicum of intelligence (or cunning).

  21. @sudden death

    Stateless persons in the f.USSR no longer have to reside in Russia for three years. (Obvious application: Russians in the Baltic states).
     
    If that helps peacefully to get rid of more Soviet colonists of all kinds from Baltic states it would be a great win indeed, because it seems that requirement for constant living in RF teritorry still remains in order to get such easened RF citizenship.

    Replies: @JL, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Considering the rate of emigration from, and population decline of, the Baltic statelets, if the Soviet colonists leave will there be anybody left?

    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
    @JL

    "Whoever leaves last, please turn off the light at the airport" has been the going joke here for some fifteen years.

    , @sudden death
    @JL

    Given that postwar "population growth" in large part was not natural native population growth, but was fueled by Soviet colonisation policies by importing large numbers of Soviet colonists, especially in Latvia and Estonia, post-1991 depopulation, which increased percentage share of ethnic Latvians and Estonians in their own countries is absolutely positive development, but not otherwise.

    Post 1991 emigration was caused by the prolonged collapse of stupid Soviet economy, so that was just longterm consequence of Soviet onslaught in the 40's, as Finland which manged to resist such Soviet onslaught did not have neither such depopulation (except military deaths in fighting Red Army) or subsequent emigration.

    btw, overall GDP in Baltics countries was growing and got larger during independence after Soviet economy collapse caused initial decline, despite depopulation and emigration, so remaining population got progressively richer.

    Crocodile tears about depopulation from foreigners are quite strange to listen as it would be quite difficult for US right wingers understand left whining about overall depopulation if suddenly all Mexican immigrants or other illegals from last 20-30 years would vanish somehow from USA soil - that would be the cause to celebrate but not to cry.

    Replies: @JL, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    , @anonymous coward
    @JL


    Username is 'sudden death'.
     
    Checks out.
  22. @JL
    @sudden death

    Considering the rate of emigration from, and population decline of, the Baltic statelets, if the Soviet colonists leave will there be anybody left?

    Replies: @Haruto Rat, @sudden death, @anonymous coward

    “Whoever leaves last, please turn off the light at the airport” has been the going joke here for some fifteen years.

  23. @JL
    @sudden death

    Considering the rate of emigration from, and population decline of, the Baltic statelets, if the Soviet colonists leave will there be anybody left?

    Replies: @Haruto Rat, @sudden death, @anonymous coward

    Given that postwar “population growth” in large part was not natural native population growth, but was fueled by Soviet colonisation policies by importing large numbers of Soviet colonists, especially in Latvia and Estonia, post-1991 depopulation, which increased percentage share of ethnic Latvians and Estonians in their own countries is absolutely positive development, but not otherwise.

    Post 1991 emigration was caused by the prolonged collapse of stupid Soviet economy, so that was just longterm consequence of Soviet onslaught in the 40’s, as Finland which manged to resist such Soviet onslaught did not have neither such depopulation (except military deaths in fighting Red Army) or subsequent emigration.

    btw, overall GDP in Baltics countries was growing and got larger during independence after Soviet economy collapse caused initial decline, despite depopulation and emigration, so remaining population got progressively richer.

    Crocodile tears about depopulation from foreigners are quite strange to listen as it would be quite difficult for US right wingers understand left whining about overall depopulation if suddenly all Mexican immigrants or other illegals from last 20-30 years would vanish somehow from USA soil – that would be the cause to celebrate but not to cry.

    • Replies: @JL
    @sudden death

    It's good to hear that you aren't experiencing any brain drain to the west and it is only the Soviet colonizers who are departing, not ethnic Balts themselves. If that's truly the case, you'll be richer and purer with time, regardless of population size.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death

    Depopulation has increased after entry into EU in 2004,far more than even after 1991-2000 you silly cretin!

    The rest of your post is just BS self-deception and distortion. You do realise that huge part of this depopulation is young adult generation of lithuanians?

    BTW add "households without any children" and lowest percentage "households with children" as another glorious "number 1" position for Litva in Europe and possibly in the world (found this out when checking Sweden single household demographics)

  24. So now Kazakh Muslims are basically de facto Russian citizens, and all is required is a formality to turn that into actual Russian citizen?

  25. Yeah I can hardly see a way in which this turns out to be a net positive. For all the theorizing about ethnic Russians and other Slavs now having an easier way to settle in Russia and bolster the native population, we know that in reality it’s the teeming brown masses of the third world that actually cross borders and permanently settle in large numbers. While these citizenship changes are somewhat targeted, they’re still and overall relaxation of the rules. Every Slav these changes reel in will be bought at the expense of a large number of undesirables from south Asia and Africa.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
    @Anonymous (n)

    Doubt it, people from Africa and South Asia mainly come to the English speaking nations because of the British connection and they can speak English, albeit not very well. Russian is alien to these people and it doesn't even use Latin alphabet, knowing Russian is one of the requirements for citizenship, and the people from those nations will not learn Russian, just to live in a place with no welfare and gibs.

    This will mainly attract Central Asians it seems.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  26. @Vishnugupta
    @jbwilson24

    At present no one seriously wants to emigrate to India/Pakistan except Bangladeshi/Afghans to ethnically similar areas West Bengal and NWFP respectively.

    Yes, as India develops into a second world country over the next 20 years and the Islamic middle east collapses due to permanent reduction of oil demand (even non oil countries like Turkey will not do well due to Islamists like Erdogan rogering their economy) we will see a Hindu Nationalist India explicitly stating No Muslims allowed.We recently passed something known as the Citizenship Amendment Act which basically allows immigration of everyone EXCEPT Muslims from neighbouring countries.

    I personally would welcome Zoroastrians,Bahais, Yezidis and Coptic Christians from the middle east.Though I am not keen on Africans emigrating here.

    As for Turkey hard times are just around the corner.Kurdish population is 25÷ with a fertility of 3-4 whereas the ethnic Turkey population is sub replacement fertility. On top of that you have long term wrecking of the economy well under way by the Islamists..

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @ariel, @anonymous599

    The Indian law you mention, CAA, was a refugee law that fast tracked citizenship requests of non-Muslims who had entered India before 2014 from either Afghanistan, Pakistan or Bangladesh.

    The key part is that they must have entered the country before 2014, so it doesn’t really allow for contemporary immigration.

    Will India really become a 2nd world country over the next 20 years? The UN populations prospects 2019 revision predicts that the Indian population will grow from 1.4bn to 1.6bn over the next 20 years

    This is going to be highly dysgenic fertility. India is already too diverse and is seeing inter-religion tension, it seems these problems will only get in the way of economic growth and prosperity.

    Bangladesh has managed to get its fertility rate down and is very homogenous, their per capita GDP will surpass that of India soon as their growth rate is still very high and their population is not growing as fast.

    On a side note, would Indian Hindus support a second partition but this time one that ensures no Muslims are left in India? And why is your Hindu nationalist government not supporting a population control law, aren’t Muslims in India outbreeding the Hindus?

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    @Just Passing Through

    We are biding our time.At present we are too weak to fight on too many fronts.

    The CAA is the first law that allows your religion to pay a key role in determining your chance of securing Indian citizenship once this is operationalized it is much simpler to extend this concept at a later date to allow say zoroastrians and Yazidi but not Muslims from the middle east to settle in India.

    Our per capita income is presently around 2000 usd(nominal) at 6-7% pa growth rate( we have been growing at this rate from the 1980s) we are looking at about 6-7 k per capita income(nominal in 2020 Dollars) by 2040.

    Yes India like most countries is effected by dysgenic fertility trends but there are also approx 200 million + Upper Caste Hindus(including Brahmins)whose cognitive potential has been lying mostly inert and has just begun to come on line.

    Also the floor IQ of the bottom 80% of the Indian caste pyramid is unknown, anecdotally descendants of lowest caste indentured labourers from the poorest most famine prone parts of India in places like Suriname and Mauritius score in the early 90s and Indians outside the US are overwhelmingly non upper caste in all other 1st world countries but often outperform the local population in terms of per capita wealth and income and usually academic achievement as well.

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @china-russia-all-the-way

  27. @sudden death

    Stateless persons in the f.USSR no longer have to reside in Russia for three years. (Obvious application: Russians in the Baltic states).
     
    If that helps peacefully to get rid of more Soviet colonists of all kinds from Baltic states it would be a great win indeed, because it seems that requirement for constant living in RF teritorry still remains in order to get such easened RF citizenship.

    Replies: @JL, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Get rid of more colonists

    LOL- Lithuania, who have by far the least Russians in the baltics, have got the largest alcoholism rate in the world, and one of the world’s highest suicide rates. I’ll give extra points for ineptness because I’m fairly sure 1.95m+ tall. people aren’t suspised to be as susceptible to alcoholism, yet Lithuania has to be the tallest country I have seen, outside of the Balkans.

    Perhaps not enough Russians or “colonists” is the problem in these idiot countries.

    All the Baltics have had North American presidents LOL. Latvia currently has an American PM and Jew-German President. At one stage, as these states joined NATO and EU, their Nazi-scumbag presidents had lived 140 years more in North America than they had in their “own” countries. Recent American President of Estonia showed his “patriotism”…. by moving back to work in America after his term ended! Keeping up with the ukrop banderite “tradition”.

    Estonia President is more ceremonial than the others- you have to wonder how pathetic these countries are to not be able to elect an anti-Soviet local as leader, instead of some American puppet. At least the poles got domestic puppets. Perhaps the reason they can’t is because anti-soviet sentiment in the Baltics was nowhere near the levels claimed.

    Russia is by far the largest trading partner of the Baltics–so they are parasites as well as liars.

    Paskas, not Trump, was the first President to be impeached for “links” to Russia. A straightforward illegal farce- of course to be replaced by the Nazi-American scumbag he democratically defeated, against the odds, in an election just before.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    LOL- Lithuania, who have by far the least Russians in the baltics, have got the largest alcoholism rate in the world, and one of the world’s highest suicide rates. I’ll give extra points for ineptness because I’m fairly sure 1.95m+ tall. people aren’t suspised to be as susceptible to alcoholism, yet Lithuania has to be the tallest country I have seen, outside of the Balkans.

    Perhaps not enough Russians or “colonists” is the problem in these idiot countries.
     

    Not to deny existence of such problems, but that's rich hearing it from you, when worldwide RF currently also is in No.2 by suicide rates and No. 6 by alcohol consumption rates, lol :)

    Russia is by far the largest trading partner of the Baltics–so they are parasites as well as liars.
     
    Once again this is perfect example when somewhat technically truthful fact without a context equals a lie as all Baltic states have roughly about 50-60% of all the trade with EU&US, 20-30% with the rest of the world and about 10-15% with RF (imports mainly oil&gas and re-exports foreign goods into RF). When taken individually as a country by country, yes RF trade has the biggest share, but in the whole picture it is actually just minor trading partner among all trading blocks.

    Paskas, not Trump, was the first President to be impeached for “links” to Russia. A straightforward illegal farce- of course to be replaced by the Nazi-American scumbag he democratically defeated, against the odds, in an election just before.
     
    btw, this clown Paksas recently lost his last elections to Europarliament after his voyages to Putin&Lukashenko, whereas he was not flaunting his allegiance to RF at all during 2003 election campaign and now is doing his best effort to increase alcohol consumption statistics during quarantine while trying to beat the wife, lol:

    Police officers were called in to the home of ex-Lithuanian President Rolandas Paksas on Saturday, and the former president was later taken to hospital, Ramunas Matonis, spokesman for the Police Departament, told BNS. "The wife's call was received that her husband was under the influence of alcohol and was rowing and using physical violence. No evidence of physical harm caused was found upon arrival and the man was taken to hospital because of this health state. The wife refrained from medical assistance," he said.
     
    https://en.delfi.lt/politics/ex-lithuanian-presidents-wife-calls-police-over-domestic-violence.d?id=84086671

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @Dmitry

  28. @Felix Keverich

    Citizens of Moldova, Ukraine, Belorussia, and Kazakhstan who have a residency permit in Russia can apply for citizenship without any need to live in Russia for a set period of years.
    ...the waiving of residency requirements only for those four countries in particular is as good refutation as any that these reforms are a covert means to launch “population replacement” on the West European model.
     
    At the end of the day shitty Russian economy is our best protection from the Western European model.

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @The Alarmist

    Russians are still pretty ethnocentric, a characteristic they share with Eastern Bloc nations. So if a large number of foreigners were to come, they would not be made to feel welcome.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511875/Terrifying-moment-subway-passenger-shot-face-racist-attack-Russian-metro.html

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Just Passing Through

    1. Thugs going around attacking foreigners at random isn't really a national characteristic to be proud of, if it really is common.

    2. One case from 2013 doesn't prove it is common. There are isolated cases of native British people attacking foreigners in racist attacks, but no one would seriously argue that it is common in Britain.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Blinky Bill

  29. @sudden death
    @JL

    Given that postwar "population growth" in large part was not natural native population growth, but was fueled by Soviet colonisation policies by importing large numbers of Soviet colonists, especially in Latvia and Estonia, post-1991 depopulation, which increased percentage share of ethnic Latvians and Estonians in their own countries is absolutely positive development, but not otherwise.

    Post 1991 emigration was caused by the prolonged collapse of stupid Soviet economy, so that was just longterm consequence of Soviet onslaught in the 40's, as Finland which manged to resist such Soviet onslaught did not have neither such depopulation (except military deaths in fighting Red Army) or subsequent emigration.

    btw, overall GDP in Baltics countries was growing and got larger during independence after Soviet economy collapse caused initial decline, despite depopulation and emigration, so remaining population got progressively richer.

    Crocodile tears about depopulation from foreigners are quite strange to listen as it would be quite difficult for US right wingers understand left whining about overall depopulation if suddenly all Mexican immigrants or other illegals from last 20-30 years would vanish somehow from USA soil - that would be the cause to celebrate but not to cry.

    Replies: @JL, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    It’s good to hear that you aren’t experiencing any brain drain to the west and it is only the Soviet colonizers who are departing, not ethnic Balts themselves. If that’s truly the case, you’ll be richer and purer with time, regardless of population size.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @JL

    Probably there is not very significant difference of westward emigration between ethnic and non ethnic Baltic state population, but eastward emigration since 1991 has been dominantly non ethnic one.

    Westward emigration since 1991 has been economical not political, so even if brain drain is real without a doubt, it was way smaller compared with WW2 emigration when succesful and productive people were forced to flee en masse from second soviet coming, e.g. some post WWII forced emigrees returned to Lithuania after 1991 and created here new succesful bussinesses such as leading mobile communication company. Also our leading scientific laser producers and biotech industry scientists did not leave after 1991, created succesful private firms and got rich creating their products in Lithuania and exporting it worldwide. Even ordinary economic migration which is net loss for population can sometimes bring unexpected economic benefits in the future as one of the biggest open field reccent investments in Lithuania was done by the foreign guy who has emigree Lithuanian wife :)

    Also there is a subset of economic emigrees which consist of white thrash of any nationality, prone to petty or serious criminal deeds, but having very weak national identity and being easily completely assimilated in the long run even without assimilational politics in the West, so the loss of such population subset is actually a gain as overall criminality rates go down after their emigration.

    Replies: @Rattus Norwegius, @sudden death

  30. @Anonymous (n)
    Yeah I can hardly see a way in which this turns out to be a net positive. For all the theorizing about ethnic Russians and other Slavs now having an easier way to settle in Russia and bolster the native population, we know that in reality it's the teeming brown masses of the third world that actually cross borders and permanently settle in large numbers. While these citizenship changes are somewhat targeted, they're still and overall relaxation of the rules. Every Slav these changes reel in will be bought at the expense of a large number of undesirables from south Asia and Africa.

    Replies: @Just Passing Through

    Doubt it, people from Africa and South Asia mainly come to the English speaking nations because of the British connection and they can speak English, albeit not very well. Russian is alien to these people and it doesn’t even use Latin alphabet, knowing Russian is one of the requirements for citizenship, and the people from those nations will not learn Russian, just to live in a place with no welfare and gibs.

    This will mainly attract Central Asians it seems.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Just Passing Through

    Russian migrants mainly came from Central Asia and Eastern Euro.

    Though there's potential for mass migration from China too. It's common for Chinese traders to cross the border to sell goods in the Russian Far East. There are an increasing number of intermarriages too, between Russian women and Chinese men. Given the shortage of men in much of EE and the growing affluence of male-biased China, I think you'll far more intermarriage between EE women and Chinese men.

    I believe there are a tiny number of Subcons (~5-10K) in Russia, but they're mainly temporary foreign students who are studying at cheap Russian medical schools. They don't settle down. There's a small community of Afghan refugees living in Moscow, who include a small Subcon merchant community of Sikh origin. However, they're mostly in the UK now, with hardly a couple hundred left.

    I think there's much more potential for Chinese migration into Russia, especially as China's need for natural resources grows.

  31. @Just Passing Through
    @Vishnugupta

    The Indian law you mention, CAA, was a refugee law that fast tracked citizenship requests of non-Muslims who had entered India before 2014 from either Afghanistan, Pakistan or Bangladesh.

    The key part is that they must have entered the country before 2014, so it doesn't really allow for contemporary immigration.

    Will India really become a 2nd world country over the next 20 years? The UN populations prospects 2019 revision predicts that the Indian population will grow from 1.4bn to 1.6bn over the next 20 years

    https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/2_Probabilistic%20Projections/1_Population/1_Total%20Population/India.png

    This is going to be highly dysgenic fertility. India is already too diverse and is seeing inter-religion tension, it seems these problems will only get in the way of economic growth and prosperity.

    Bangladesh has managed to get its fertility rate down and is very homogenous, their per capita GDP will surpass that of India soon as their growth rate is still very high and their population is not growing as fast.

    On a side note, would Indian Hindus support a second partition but this time one that ensures no Muslims are left in India? And why is your Hindu nationalist government not supporting a population control law, aren't Muslims in India outbreeding the Hindus?

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

    We are biding our time.At present we are too weak to fight on too many fronts.

    The CAA is the first law that allows your religion to pay a key role in determining your chance of securing Indian citizenship once this is operationalized it is much simpler to extend this concept at a later date to allow say zoroastrians and Yazidi but not Muslims from the middle east to settle in India.

    Our per capita income is presently around 2000 usd(nominal) at 6-7% pa growth rate( we have been growing at this rate from the 1980s) we are looking at about 6-7 k per capita income(nominal in 2020 Dollars) by 2040.

    Yes India like most countries is effected by dysgenic fertility trends but there are also approx 200 million + Upper Caste Hindus(including Brahmins)whose cognitive potential has been lying mostly inert and has just begun to come on line.

    Also the floor IQ of the bottom 80% of the Indian caste pyramid is unknown, anecdotally descendants of lowest caste indentured labourers from the poorest most famine prone parts of India in places like Suriname and Mauritius score in the early 90s and Indians outside the US are overwhelmingly non upper caste in all other 1st world countries but often outperform the local population in terms of per capita wealth and income and usually academic achievement as well.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @Vishnugupta

    From what I've seen and heard, in the ex British colonies with large imported Indian populations (in Africa and Caribbean) literally no caste system exists...... the majority of these Indians and their parents wouldn't even know what their caste is!

    I think there is much more (though only occasional) controversies with Indian Christian to Hindu marriages. Arranged marriages in the communities have been exstinct for the last 40 years.

    They seem to pride themselves on two main things - medicine and mathematics. As far as I know, there is practically no tensions between Indian heritage and Pakistani heritage people in West countries - no opposing political lobby groups. In the carribean, black-asian marriages are very common, but not at all in African countries.

    BTW- an Indian (though faggot) man is President of Ireland. Do you know what caste he is?

    Replies: @Vishnugupta, @Europe Europa

    , @china-russia-all-the-way
    @Vishnugupta

    Any insight into the differences within the high castes?

    I notice that Indian Nobel Prize laureates are dominated by two groups. Literature, Economics, Economics went to Bengali Brahmins. Physics, Physics, and Chemistry went to Tamil Brahmins. There is another physics winner who is a Khatri (interesting merchant group from a non-China Silk Road historical perspective). I don't know about the caste of the peace winner in 2014.

    Are 2-3 Brahmin groups top performers compared to the others?

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

  32. Ochen horosho. For me it’s a very good law obviously, as corona-chan makes it a non-trivial possibility that I may end up working in Russia before before I have to retire a long time from now. Only if the entire world economic order is upended of course. If the West goes down, China would have a lock on attracting foreign researchers however, over Russia. It would be a pain to have to learn a new language (Mandarin), but not something that can’t be done, especially with a job on the line.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  33. How Russian expats are reacting with the betterment of conditions in Russia? Do at least stop to see an hemorrhaging of talents?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Tonton

    Income in Russia has never recovered from a devaulation disaster in 2014. My impression of recent job adverts, has been that the distance has only increased in the 5 years - e.g. large multinational companies can be boasting about incomes which are 1/3 of what they will pay in Western Europe for the same experience level - or 1/5 of America. My memory is not perfect, but this seems worse to my memory than how it was 5 years ago for such companies. While the competition for the lower salary job in Russia will be likely higher (higher quality people, possibly even with better English language ability) might be competing in the job interview in Russia, than for the higher salary job in Western Europe. On the other hand, only a very small proportion of labour types can work abroad. So - although there is no data available on emigration - we can be sure no large movement in either direction. Emigration from Russia is really small relative to the country total, and I believe there are far higher numbers of even workers from countries like India now in Western Europe, even in those sectors which allow you to work in Europe.

  34. @AP
    @Blinky Bill

    We would still have to be living in Russia to get citizenship, though maybe for only a year. Had this been an option before I got a job I would have taken a year off and stayed in Moscow (I had been living there for summers when I could).

    If residency were something like a month, I would do it in a heartbeat. It would save me the hassle of having to get visas when I visit (though I now have a multiple-entry visa good for a few years). I've always been a fan of Russian culture and the Russian people (I married one, after all). And Moscow is my favorite city in the world.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’ve always been a fan of Russian culture and the Russian people (I married one, after all). And Moscow is my favorite city in the world.

    Look AP, you’ve got the right to like Moscow, or anything else to your heart’s content, however, I for one (and even AK if I remember correctly) find it hard to reconcile your well earned “Ukrainian patriot” image with your exaggerated love affair with Russia? If you were a “Triunist” like your good friend AK, the ideas that you espouse and your image would much more closely resemble one another – but you’re clearly not. Ask most any reader of this blog, how they might characterize your positions regarding Russian/Ukrainian relations and they’d most likely and crudely characterize you as a “Ukro-Nazi”, “Banderite”, “Galician” etc; I think that I’m the only one here who would more accurately refer to you as a “Ukrainian patriot.” You’re well known for your positions supporting Ukraine’s inclusion into the European world, with Poland/Lithuania being the gateway, or even what appears as a misplaced fondness of Austrian Hapsburg culture. Why not get with the program and support Ukraine’s re-entrance into the Ruskij Mir? Otherwise, you might get permanently locked into some kind of cultural/political anomalous black hole?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    image with your exaggerated love affair with Russia?
     
    Why exaggerated? I have plenty of friends and family there and I speak the language well enough to get by easily. Moscow may have the best theater scene in the world. It is not a bad choice for a second home (I can imagine spending half the year there after I retire in 20 or so years, permanent settlement would be out of the question because I have kids here) and a Russian passport would make this very convenient.

    If I had married a girl from Italy, or Argentina, or wherever and had similar circumstances I would also jump at the chance of easily getting citizenship in my wife's country, where I have lived and made friends and whose language my kids speak.

    Why not get with the program and support Ukraine’s re-entrance into the Ruskij Mir?
     
    Some Russian nationalists operate under the delusion that Ukrainians are Russians and thus anyone with origins in Ukraine who considers himself to be a Ukrainian rather than a Russian is a "Ukrainian nationalist." This is their problem with reality, not mine.

    One can have a love for Russia without unrealistic notions about Ukraine's relationship with it and without melding personal circumstances with historical and cultural reality.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't think I ever gave that impression - at least I hope I didn't. People of AP's disposition are indeed rare - most people think in more straightforward for/against terms - but it's not like any hardcore svidomy would stick around on my blog so there's a major self-selection mechanism at play.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  35. @Just Passing Through
    @Felix Keverich

    Russians are still pretty ethnocentric, a characteristic they share with Eastern Bloc nations. So if a large number of foreigners were to come, they would not be made to feel welcome.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511875/Terrifying-moment-subway-passenger-shot-face-racist-attack-Russian-metro.html

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    1. Thugs going around attacking foreigners at random isn’t really a national characteristic to be proud of, if it really is common.

    2. One case from 2013 doesn’t prove it is common. There are isolated cases of native British people attacking foreigners in racist attacks, but no one would seriously argue that it is common in Britain.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    @Europe Europa

    There is a long-running media campaign in the West to portray Russians as racist people. In reality Russians are about as racist as Southern Europeans (or Republicans in the US).

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Europe Europa

    Dagestanis in Moscow are about as foreign as the Welsh in London. 😂😂😂

    Meibion Glyndŵr, Sons of Glyndŵr was a Welsh nationalist movement violently opposed to the loss of Welsh culture and language. They were formed in response to the housing crisis precipitated by large numbers of houses being bought by wealthy English people for use as holiday homes, pushing up house prices beyond the means of many locals. They were responsible for setting fire to English-owned holiday homes in Wales from 1979 to the mid-1990s.

    1979–94: Meibion Glyndŵr fire-bomb around 220 English-owned homes.
    1988–89: Meibion Glyndŵr declared that "every white settler is a target". The group also placed incendiary bombs in Conservative party offices in London and estate agents' offices in London, Liverpool, Sutton Coldfield, Haverfordwest, Carmarthen and Llandeilo.
    1990: Poet and priest R. S. Thomas calls for a campaign to deface English-owned homes.
    1993: Sion Aubrey Roberts, a member of Meibion Glyndŵr, was jailed for twelve years for sending letter bombs to Conservative politicians.


    https://youtu.be/m6a4llckmb4
    https://youtu.be/h9cWtWHdrt4

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  36. @Vishnugupta
    @Just Passing Through

    We are biding our time.At present we are too weak to fight on too many fronts.

    The CAA is the first law that allows your religion to pay a key role in determining your chance of securing Indian citizenship once this is operationalized it is much simpler to extend this concept at a later date to allow say zoroastrians and Yazidi but not Muslims from the middle east to settle in India.

    Our per capita income is presently around 2000 usd(nominal) at 6-7% pa growth rate( we have been growing at this rate from the 1980s) we are looking at about 6-7 k per capita income(nominal in 2020 Dollars) by 2040.

    Yes India like most countries is effected by dysgenic fertility trends but there are also approx 200 million + Upper Caste Hindus(including Brahmins)whose cognitive potential has been lying mostly inert and has just begun to come on line.

    Also the floor IQ of the bottom 80% of the Indian caste pyramid is unknown, anecdotally descendants of lowest caste indentured labourers from the poorest most famine prone parts of India in places like Suriname and Mauritius score in the early 90s and Indians outside the US are overwhelmingly non upper caste in all other 1st world countries but often outperform the local population in terms of per capita wealth and income and usually academic achievement as well.

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @china-russia-all-the-way

    From what I’ve seen and heard, in the ex British colonies with large imported Indian populations (in Africa and Caribbean) literally no caste system exists…… the majority of these Indians and their parents wouldn’t even know what their caste is!

    I think there is much more (though only occasional) controversies with Indian Christian to Hindu marriages. Arranged marriages in the communities have been exstinct for the last 40 years.

    They seem to pride themselves on two main things – medicine and mathematics. As far as I know, there is practically no tensions between Indian heritage and Pakistani heritage people in West countries – no opposing political lobby groups. In the carribean, black-asian marriages are very common, but not at all in African countries.

    BTW- an Indian (though faggot) man is President of Ireland. Do you know what caste he is?

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Not strictly true in the UK Hindus and Sikhs usually support conservative and Muslims support Labour.

    Also there are Sikh/Hindu vigilante groups who go around threatening and beating up Paki grooming gangs all the time.

    BNP and other tough talking white groups talk a lot about alliance forming but on the street level they seem to lack the balls to say hold a knife over a grooming gangs leader's privates and threaten to make him loose a little weight in a certain awkward place if he even looks at a Hindu/Sikh girl again(very effective) which is Paki grooming gangs almost exclusively target white girls in the UK.

    Muslims only behave themselves if there is a balance of terror situation on the streets or in towns where there population is lesser than 5%.

    You will rarely see Indians discuss caste with non Indians but the first 5 mins of a group of Indian strangers meeting in any place including the west includes many dog whistle questions to classify each other in the caste region social status matrix.

    The Faggot of Ireland you are referring to is half white and raised a catholic.his surname ends with kar which means his father is Marathi(Maharashtra state now) and likely upper caste(though not completely certain)

    The corresponding caste of some Indian surnames are obvious Sharma means Brahmin; Gupta,Agarwal means Vaishya(merchant caste) some surnames specify region/subcomunity Banerjee means Bengali Kulin Brahmin some just caste and sub community Kedia means Marwari merchant caste etc..

    Some surnames are likely upper caste but not completely certain because they specify the fact that you are a landowner (but not your genealogy )which usually mean upper caste..then there are some like Kumar which can be anything..

    It is all very complicated and there are elaborate conventions of what to ask and what not while zeroing in on someone's caste...it is basically impossible for a non Indian to understand this..

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Europe Europa
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    I'm not sure it's true that there's no tension between Indians and Pakistanis in Western countries. In Britain at least it's generally understood that Pakistanis (Muslims) and Indians (Hindus/Sikhs) despise each other.

    In the US I could imagine there being less overt tension as both Pakistanis and Indians there tend to be higher caste, more educated and at the higher end of the IQ spectrum, while in the UK they tend to be lower caste, lesser educated and not so high IQ so more prone to openly jingoistic and occasionally violent displays of nationalism.

    Replies: @Just Passing Through

  37. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @Vishnugupta

    From what I've seen and heard, in the ex British colonies with large imported Indian populations (in Africa and Caribbean) literally no caste system exists...... the majority of these Indians and their parents wouldn't even know what their caste is!

    I think there is much more (though only occasional) controversies with Indian Christian to Hindu marriages. Arranged marriages in the communities have been exstinct for the last 40 years.

    They seem to pride themselves on two main things - medicine and mathematics. As far as I know, there is practically no tensions between Indian heritage and Pakistani heritage people in West countries - no opposing political lobby groups. In the carribean, black-asian marriages are very common, but not at all in African countries.

    BTW- an Indian (though faggot) man is President of Ireland. Do you know what caste he is?

    Replies: @Vishnugupta, @Europe Europa

    Not strictly true in the UK Hindus and Sikhs usually support conservative and Muslims support Labour.

    Also there are Sikh/Hindu vigilante groups who go around threatening and beating up Paki grooming gangs all the time.

    BNP and other tough talking white groups talk a lot about alliance forming but on the street level they seem to lack the balls to say hold a knife over a grooming gangs leader’s privates and threaten to make him loose a little weight in a certain awkward place if he even looks at a Hindu/Sikh girl again(very effective) which is Paki grooming gangs almost exclusively target white girls in the UK.

    Muslims only behave themselves if there is a balance of terror situation on the streets or in towns where there population is lesser than 5%.

    You will rarely see Indians discuss caste with non Indians but the first 5 mins of a group of Indian strangers meeting in any place including the west includes many dog whistle questions to classify each other in the caste region social status matrix.

    The Faggot of Ireland you are referring to is half white and raised a catholic.his surname ends with kar which means his father is Marathi(Maharashtra state now) and likely upper caste(though not completely certain)

    The corresponding caste of some Indian surnames are obvious Sharma means Brahmin; Gupta,Agarwal means Vaishya(merchant caste) some surnames specify region/subcomunity Banerjee means Bengali Kulin Brahmin some just caste and sub community Kedia means Marwari merchant caste etc..

    Some surnames are likely upper caste but not completely certain because they specify the fact that you are a landowner (but not your genealogy )which usually mean upper caste..then there are some like Kumar which can be anything..

    It is all very complicated and there are elaborate conventions of what to ask and what not while zeroing in on someone’s caste…it is basically impossible for a non Indian to understand this..

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Vishnugupta


    BNP and other tough talking white groups talk a lot about alliance forming but on the street level they seem to lack the balls to say hold a knife over a grooming gangs leader’s privates and threaten to make him loose a little weight in a certain awkward place if he even looks at a Hindu/Sikh girl again(very effective) which is Paki grooming gangs almost exclusively target white girls in the UK.

     

    There are some Whites who try to inflict violence against the Paki/Muslim gangs, but the British govt (which is controlled by pro-immigration Jews like Barbara Roche, Peter Mandelson, etc.) have been openly repressing and jailing them for years. British media (which is also run by Jews) portrays White British militia men as "evil."

    Meanwhile, most of the British public is addicted to 'bread and circuses.' They'd rather watch soccer/football and drink at the pub, not take interest in the future of the country.

    By controlling the levers of power (politicians, courts, bureaucracy, media, entertainment), Jews control what happens in Western countries. The White Gentile masses are powerless. The institutions that their ancestors built are used against them.

    White Gentiles are extremely adept at building strong and functional institutions. The irony is that when these institutions fall in the hands of antagonistic outsiders (like Jews), the effectiveness of the institutions becomes a huge disadvantage.

    Whites need to learn to fight back, but they generally don't. One reason is because a lot of them are soft and frivolous, a product of generations of easy living. They'd rather live the good life (tv, sports, shopping, eating out) than take their civic duties seriously. Another reason is that Whites are too individualistic and socially atomized, so they're no longer capable of large-scale coordinated group action.

    A few Whites do fight back (EDL, BNP, National Front), but they get their lives ruined by the govt. Just look at what has been done to Tommy Robinson.

    Lots of anti-Muslim Whites (in both the UK and US) end up joining the military because they want to go to the Middle East and kill people. However, that just ends up serving the security interests of Israel, not the West.

    Britain (like most Western countries) has a hollowed out economy that's heavily reliant on debt spending and financialization. If Britain ever experiences a severe debt or economic crisis, that could topple the high standard of living and lead towards a breakdown in the state. Once the state is no longer functional, its ability to repress White British militias will be compromised. At that point, Jews won't have the sway they once did, so you'll probably begin to see White militias start to assert themselves.

    So I don't see the current situation continuing forever. We shall live in interesting times.

    Replies: @Tony

  38. what percentage of kazakhs,uzbeks,tajiks living in Russia are ethnic europeans?

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @ariel

    Over 75%.

  39. My kids can get Russian citizenship, nice.

  40. @Vishnugupta
    @jbwilson24

    At present no one seriously wants to emigrate to India/Pakistan except Bangladeshi/Afghans to ethnically similar areas West Bengal and NWFP respectively.

    Yes, as India develops into a second world country over the next 20 years and the Islamic middle east collapses due to permanent reduction of oil demand (even non oil countries like Turkey will not do well due to Islamists like Erdogan rogering their economy) we will see a Hindu Nationalist India explicitly stating No Muslims allowed.We recently passed something known as the Citizenship Amendment Act which basically allows immigration of everyone EXCEPT Muslims from neighbouring countries.

    I personally would welcome Zoroastrians,Bahais, Yezidis and Coptic Christians from the middle east.Though I am not keen on Africans emigrating here.

    As for Turkey hard times are just around the corner.Kurdish population is 25÷ with a fertility of 3-4 whereas the ethnic Turkey population is sub replacement fertility. On top of that you have long term wrecking of the economy well under way by the Islamists..

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @ariel, @anonymous599

    fertility in India is barely at replacement level, around 2.2 also half of the Indian states have a tfr below 2

  41. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @Vishnugupta

    From what I've seen and heard, in the ex British colonies with large imported Indian populations (in Africa and Caribbean) literally no caste system exists...... the majority of these Indians and their parents wouldn't even know what their caste is!

    I think there is much more (though only occasional) controversies with Indian Christian to Hindu marriages. Arranged marriages in the communities have been exstinct for the last 40 years.

    They seem to pride themselves on two main things - medicine and mathematics. As far as I know, there is practically no tensions between Indian heritage and Pakistani heritage people in West countries - no opposing political lobby groups. In the carribean, black-asian marriages are very common, but not at all in African countries.

    BTW- an Indian (though faggot) man is President of Ireland. Do you know what caste he is?

    Replies: @Vishnugupta, @Europe Europa

    I’m not sure it’s true that there’s no tension between Indians and Pakistanis in Western countries. In Britain at least it’s generally understood that Pakistanis (Muslims) and Indians (Hindus/Sikhs) despise each other.

    In the US I could imagine there being less overt tension as both Pakistanis and Indians there tend to be higher caste, more educated and at the higher end of the IQ spectrum, while in the UK they tend to be lower caste, lesser educated and not so high IQ so more prone to openly jingoistic and occasionally violent displays of nationalism.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
    @Europe Europa

    The Indians in the UK outperform the natives on a lot of socio-economic measures while Pakistanis are African-tier. I have heard the Pakistanis in the UK are mostly from one region in Pakistan called the Mirpur District in Kashmir, and these people are considered untermenschen even by Pakistanis standards.

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

    A nice set of statistics collated by the UK government showing how different ethnic groups perform.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  42. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    I’ve always been a fan of Russian culture and the Russian people (I married one, after all). And Moscow is my favorite city in the world.
     
    Look AP, you've got the right to like Moscow, or anything else to your heart's content, however, I for one (and even AK if I remember correctly) find it hard to reconcile your well earned "Ukrainian patriot" image with your exaggerated love affair with Russia? If you were a "Triunist" like your good friend AK, the ideas that you espouse and your image would much more closely resemble one another - but you're clearly not. Ask most any reader of this blog, how they might characterize your positions regarding Russian/Ukrainian relations and they'd most likely and crudely characterize you as a "Ukro-Nazi", "Banderite", "Galician" etc; I think that I'm the only one here who would more accurately refer to you as a "Ukrainian patriot." You're well known for your positions supporting Ukraine's inclusion into the European world, with Poland/Lithuania being the gateway, or even what appears as a misplaced fondness of Austrian Hapsburg culture. Why not get with the program and support Ukraine's re-entrance into the Ruskij Mir? Otherwise, you might get permanently locked into some kind of cultural/political anomalous black hole?
     
     

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin

    image with your exaggerated love affair with Russia?

    Why exaggerated? I have plenty of friends and family there and I speak the language well enough to get by easily. Moscow may have the best theater scene in the world. It is not a bad choice for a second home (I can imagine spending half the year there after I retire in 20 or so years, permanent settlement would be out of the question because I have kids here) and a Russian passport would make this very convenient.

    If I had married a girl from Italy, or Argentina, or wherever and had similar circumstances I would also jump at the chance of easily getting citizenship in my wife’s country, where I have lived and made friends and whose language my kids speak.

    Why not get with the program and support Ukraine’s re-entrance into the Ruskij Mir?

    Some Russian nationalists operate under the delusion that Ukrainians are Russians and thus anyone with origins in Ukraine who considers himself to be a Ukrainian rather than a Russian is a “Ukrainian nationalist.” This is their problem with reality, not mine.

    One can have a love for Russia without unrealistic notions about Ukraine’s relationship with it and without melding personal circumstances with historical and cultural reality.

    • Agree: sudden death
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    A perfectly reasonable reply. I just hope that your naysayers here would read this and respect your positions more judiciously. BTW, my aunt was pure Russian, from the Murmansk area, way up north. She was quite the beauty and lived a good portion of her life in Ukraine, in a small town near Vinnytsia (that you seem to like). She was a very warm and charming woman who mastered the local iteration of the Ukrainian language. She left a very positive image of Russianness on me to this day.

  43. I’ve always thought the whole “Ukrainians are Russian” thing sounds similar to if English nationalists tried to claim the Scots are really English and that the idea of Scotland as a separate country/people is a globalist plot to destroy English glory, although that’s basically a theoretical example as I don’t think any English nationalists have any desire to claim Scotland as their own.

    • Agree: AP
  44. Over the last decade, the Anglosphere and Europe have been going downhill pretty visibly, in the crude visible manifestations that include state of physical infrastructure, feeling of safety or lack of thereof on the street, normal vs scowling faces, and a sharp decrease in basic ability to get things done.

    This, in a sense, “doubles” the growth of second world countries such as the various Slavlands and China–because when for every step forward the 2nd world takes, the 1st world take a step back (and in “invisible area” too, such as basic liberties and institutional corruption, for example), the “catching up” happens twice as fast.

    By now, and I mean before the Corona “virtual world war” of course, we don’t yet know what’s what with that, but say by 2019, most of the 2nd world was already close enough to the 1st world in terms of basic quality of life, that this reduced the desire for a lot of people to “go West” to raise a family. Because there’s still a difference in wages, and you can make more money in the West than in the East by working the same thing, but if you actually live longterm in England, America, France, Spain, etc, then what you earn there you’ll spend there to buy a quality of life which is basically the same as in Croatia, Hungary, Latvia, or Russia. But plus a solid dose of alienation.

    It makes sense to go work in the West for a year or five, in order to accumulate basic capital, which then to invest back home into something of your own, but it no longer makes sense to permanently settle in the West and raise a family there. Rather, you go and work in the West to make some money which then you move to a place where its value magically rises fivefold, and use it to kick start your own life back home, and raise a family where you actually belong.

    Which is why Germany today is desperate for Ukrainians for example–because most of the rest of Eastern Europe no longer bothers, because what’s the point of living as a taxi driver in some crap town with middle eastern youths giving you looks on the street, and bureaucrats being increasingly crap, when you can have the same experience in the comfort of your home and actually be what you studied for?

    The supply of architects and engineers who become taxi drivers and plumbers is drying up from the traditional pools of such overqualified “blue collar workers” (which phenomenon, BTW, helped fool the West that foreigners can easily adapt and do the work you need them to do, because of the wave of “vastly overqualified former commie immigrants”, which is not the same as a wave of vastly underqualified Afghans and Somalians), and the new pools are the Ukraine and Belarus, and after that it’ll be time to figure out a way to either change how the economy works, or shift the “populace vacuuming up” mechanisms to I don’t know. Uzbekistan?

    Thus, with the convergence of the quality of life between the 2nd and 1st worlds over the last decade, I’d say that the initial wave of “brain drain” and “overqualified blue collar workers” is finished. Those who went to settle will remain there, but the newer generations no longer have this motivation. (Aside from the parasite castes, who will always listen to the siren call of laxer foreign gibs)

    Whoever left from the productive population–left. From now on the exodus from Eastern Europe and Russia and China will slow a lot, has already slowed, so what their leaders need to concentrate on is how to manage fertility and consolidative demographics.

    And the elites of the 1st World will either have to restructure their economies back to something more sane and humane, or they’ll have to shift to India and ASEAN as their main pool of “2nd tier competent foreign workers”. And that’s if they really do manage to set up and maintain a sane filtering system, instead of letting in all the losers and hoodlums instead.

    India alone can feed the need for 2nd tier competent workers of the whole 1st world, if this is managed correctly. And keeping in mind how fast basic competence is eroding all across the 1st world, with affirmative hiring and toxic PC environments squeeing out anyone who can actually do stuff, with everything now hanging on a bunch of fossils at the age of 60 and 70, after whom will come the great competency collapse–importing a few million normal Hindus can actually help stabilize the system.

    There are many sections of the economy where a random well educated Hindu will perform better than the choice of eunuchs, hysterics, diegos, and dindus which is today’s situation. It really HAS come to the unnatural situation that NO ONE is as competent as the last white natives who can actually achieve stuff and will be retiring any year now, and the second best choice is certainly not their children and grandchildren, because they have been…(((neutralized and deconstructed))) far too well.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Rahan

    Quite an interesting reply. As long as "competent and educated" sorts are imported to handle needed technical positions and "hoodlums and losers" are filtered out, who's to complain?

  45. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death


    Get rid of more colonists
     
    LOL- Lithuania, who have by far the least Russians in the baltics, have got the largest alcoholism rate in the world, and one of the world's highest suicide rates. I'll give extra points for ineptness because I'm fairly sure 1.95m+ tall. people aren't suspised to be as susceptible to alcoholism, yet Lithuania has to be the tallest country I have seen, outside of the Balkans.

    Perhaps not enough Russians or "colonists" is the problem in these idiot countries.

    All the Baltics have had North American presidents LOL. Latvia currently has an American PM and Jew-German President. At one stage, as these states joined NATO and EU, their Nazi-scumbag presidents had lived 140 years more in North America than they had in their "own" countries. Recent American President of Estonia showed his "patriotism".... by moving back to work in America after his term ended! Keeping up with the ukrop banderite "tradition".

    Estonia President is more ceremonial than the others- you have to wonder how pathetic these countries are to not be able to elect an anti-Soviet local as leader, instead of some American puppet. At least the poles got domestic puppets. Perhaps the reason they can't is because anti-soviet sentiment in the Baltics was nowhere near the levels claimed.

    Russia is by far the largest trading partner of the Baltics--so they are parasites as well as liars.

    Paskas, not Trump, was the first President to be impeached for "links" to Russia. A straightforward illegal farce- of course to be replaced by the Nazi-American scumbag he democratically defeated, against the odds, in an election just before.

    Replies: @sudden death

    LOL- Lithuania, who have by far the least Russians in the baltics, have got the largest alcoholism rate in the world, and one of the world’s highest suicide rates. I’ll give extra points for ineptness because I’m fairly sure 1.95m+ tall. people aren’t suspised to be as susceptible to alcoholism, yet Lithuania has to be the tallest country I have seen, outside of the Balkans.

    Perhaps not enough Russians or “colonists” is the problem in these idiot countries.

    Not to deny existence of such problems, but that’s rich hearing it from you, when worldwide RF currently also is in No.2 by suicide rates and No. 6 by alcohol consumption rates, lol 🙂

    Russia is by far the largest trading partner of the Baltics–so they are parasites as well as liars.

    Once again this is perfect example when somewhat technically truthful fact without a context equals a lie as all Baltic states have roughly about 50-60% of all the trade with EU&US, 20-30% with the rest of the world and about 10-15% with RF (imports mainly oil&gas and re-exports foreign goods into RF). When taken individually as a country by country, yes RF trade has the biggest share, but in the whole picture it is actually just minor trading partner among all trading blocks.

    Paskas, not Trump, was the first President to be impeached for “links” to Russia. A straightforward illegal farce- of course to be replaced by the Nazi-American scumbag he democratically defeated, against the odds, in an election just before.

    btw, this clown Paksas recently lost his last elections to Europarliament after his voyages to Putin&Lukashenko, whereas he was not flaunting his allegiance to RF at all during 2003 election campaign and now is doing his best effort to increase alcohol consumption statistics during quarantine while trying to beat the wife, lol:

    Police officers were called in to the home of ex-Lithuanian President Rolandas Paksas on Saturday, and the former president was later taken to hospital, Ramunas Matonis, spokesman for the Police Departament, told BNS. “The wife’s call was received that her husband was under the influence of alcohol and was rowing and using physical violence. No evidence of physical harm caused was found upon arrival and the man was taken to hospital because of this health state. The wife refrained from medical assistance,” he said.

    https://en.delfi.lt/politics/ex-lithuanian-presidents-wife-calls-police-over-domestic-violence.d?id=84086671

    • Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death


    That's rich coming from you..... Russia is 2nd place in suicides and 6th place in alcohol rates
     
    LOL - you've been victim of some Soros/Google/Wikipedia/NWO fake news BS. You are simply incorrect - Russia is nowhere near the 2nd highest suicide rate in the world. Russian state agencies are very thorough in updating figures.


    Russia had either 17000 or 19000 suicides last year( I can't remember which figure it is) . During the worst of the 90s it was 57000 per year. That reduction is a miraculous achievement. Taking it as 19k - the rate is 13....far lower than Litva. It's lower than Poland too. It is not even in the top 10.

    As with alcohol stats- the large amounts of people in Russia living in areas of extreme cold, and or very restricted daylight hours in winter plus some of the peculiarities of some ethnic republics in these areas should mean homogenous, temperate and small "EU" Litva being nowhere near Russia in alcohol and suicide rate...... not far ahead as they are now!

    Lithuania's alcohol rate far surpasses Russia. Again 6th place for Russia is either outdated or a lie. Again, Russia is on a very successful downward trend- many of the EU states now drink more than Russia also.

    Out of context.... Much of it Oil and gas.... 60% EU/US trade
     
    I was still thinking in pre-Crimea times--when imports and exports were an astonishing 30% each! That is parasitism. Look at how Latvia's railway industry has collapsed with the degradation of trade and relations with Russia.

    LOL- how is it sensible to compare a multi-state block of 450million people +325M with US, to Russia with 146M? So what if it is 60% trade with EU/US? Russia is about 45% with EU/US. That is quite significant and was probably much higher percentage before upsurge in China trade in last 4 years. Take out other Baltics and Poland (who Lithuania would significantly trade with anyway if all were not in EU) then the percentage compared to Russia is about the same.

    As for oil and gas..... so what? Those industries are the biggest tax payers into the Russian state. Unlike the middle east states who use foreigners- millions of skilled RUSSIANS work in oil/gas industry. Much of Russia's alcohol comes through Litva also, LOL.

    Best effort to increase alcohol consumption statistics during quarantine while trying to beat the wife
     
    Oh come on now! that's not fair. What are the chances that the one time I bring out Paskas..... an event like that would happen THIS week! I had no idea about it.

    He was not flaunting his allegiance to Russia at all in 2003
     
    What is "flaunting allegiance to Russia" in a state with huge official russophobia... and in which he represented the USSR in aerobatics and long held a reputation as harnessing strong trade with Russia ? He was for joining the EU, went along with NATO but without all the anti-russia BS.

    He was cheated out of the job as part of a Western scam, with the job stolen by the American Nazi dirtbag that he defeated fairly. He's a great guy.....important to note no injuries
    , @Dmitry
    @sudden death

    What happens with the coronavirus situation in the Baltic states?

    Latvia seems to have the lower intensity of epidemic so far, although they all are three of them less effected than an average for EU countries...

    Replies: @sudden death

  46. All of this is a stopgap. Either you immediately take natalist policies or Russia will go the same way as Merica

  47. @JL
    @sudden death

    Considering the rate of emigration from, and population decline of, the Baltic statelets, if the Soviet colonists leave will there be anybody left?

    Replies: @Haruto Rat, @sudden death, @anonymous coward

    Username is ‘sudden death’.

    Checks out.

  48. @Blinky Bill
    @songbird

    Will only solve half the issue.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51erXkUUjgL._AC_SY400_.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    BTW, it’s a pretty interesting question how Arabs got their African admixture. I don’t know if anyone has tried to study it, but I wonder if there might be more complexity to it than that they were closer to Africa and had slavery for longer.

    Like, maybe it had something to do with polygamy (this is what I’d guess). High status males had first pick of women, leaving lower status males with no women, so they were desperate for women. I guess this would make polygamy dysgenic, and maybe, it had something to do with the collapse of science in the Arab world. I also wonder if polygamy might explain the practice of castration. Then there might be lesser factors. Due to sex-segregation and women being covered up, there was probably less social ostracism to miscegenation.

    I’d also be interested in how polygamy plays into the modern granting of citizenship.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  49. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    image with your exaggerated love affair with Russia?
     
    Why exaggerated? I have plenty of friends and family there and I speak the language well enough to get by easily. Moscow may have the best theater scene in the world. It is not a bad choice for a second home (I can imagine spending half the year there after I retire in 20 or so years, permanent settlement would be out of the question because I have kids here) and a Russian passport would make this very convenient.

    If I had married a girl from Italy, or Argentina, or wherever and had similar circumstances I would also jump at the chance of easily getting citizenship in my wife's country, where I have lived and made friends and whose language my kids speak.

    Why not get with the program and support Ukraine’s re-entrance into the Ruskij Mir?
     
    Some Russian nationalists operate under the delusion that Ukrainians are Russians and thus anyone with origins in Ukraine who considers himself to be a Ukrainian rather than a Russian is a "Ukrainian nationalist." This is their problem with reality, not mine.

    One can have a love for Russia without unrealistic notions about Ukraine's relationship with it and without melding personal circumstances with historical and cultural reality.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    A perfectly reasonable reply. I just hope that your naysayers here would read this and respect your positions more judiciously. BTW, my aunt was pure Russian, from the Murmansk area, way up north. She was quite the beauty and lived a good portion of her life in Ukraine, in a small town near Vinnytsia (that you seem to like). She was a very warm and charming woman who mastered the local iteration of the Ukrainian language. She left a very positive image of Russianness on me to this day.

  50. @JL
    @sudden death

    It's good to hear that you aren't experiencing any brain drain to the west and it is only the Soviet colonizers who are departing, not ethnic Balts themselves. If that's truly the case, you'll be richer and purer with time, regardless of population size.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Probably there is not very significant difference of westward emigration between ethnic and non ethnic Baltic state population, but eastward emigration since 1991 has been dominantly non ethnic one.

    Westward emigration since 1991 has been economical not political, so even if brain drain is real without a doubt, it was way smaller compared with WW2 emigration when succesful and productive people were forced to flee en masse from second soviet coming, e.g. some post WWII forced emigrees returned to Lithuania after 1991 and created here new succesful bussinesses such as leading mobile communication company. Also our leading scientific laser producers and biotech industry scientists did not leave after 1991, created succesful private firms and got rich creating their products in Lithuania and exporting it worldwide. Even ordinary economic migration which is net loss for population can sometimes bring unexpected economic benefits in the future as one of the biggest open field reccent investments in Lithuania was done by the foreign guy who has emigree Lithuanian wife 🙂

    Also there is a subset of economic emigrees which consist of white thrash of any nationality, prone to petty or serious criminal deeds, but having very weak national identity and being easily completely assimilated in the long run even without assimilational politics in the West, so the loss of such population subset is actually a gain as overall criminality rates go down after their emigration.

    • Replies: @Rattus Norwegius
    @sudden death

    I know that Baltic Russians are vastly overrepresented when it comes to outmigration eastwards, but i wonder if they are overrepresented in migration to EU too?

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Some additional data about worldwide scientific laser market:


    Half of all picosecond lasers sold worldwide are produced by Lithuanian companies, while Lithuanian-made femtosecond parametric light amplifiers, used in generating the ultrashort laser pulses, account for as much as 80 % of the world market.
     
    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/lithuania-leading-light-laser-technology
  51. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    I’ve always been a fan of Russian culture and the Russian people (I married one, after all). And Moscow is my favorite city in the world.
     
    Look AP, you've got the right to like Moscow, or anything else to your heart's content, however, I for one (and even AK if I remember correctly) find it hard to reconcile your well earned "Ukrainian patriot" image with your exaggerated love affair with Russia? If you were a "Triunist" like your good friend AK, the ideas that you espouse and your image would much more closely resemble one another - but you're clearly not. Ask most any reader of this blog, how they might characterize your positions regarding Russian/Ukrainian relations and they'd most likely and crudely characterize you as a "Ukro-Nazi", "Banderite", "Galician" etc; I think that I'm the only one here who would more accurately refer to you as a "Ukrainian patriot." You're well known for your positions supporting Ukraine's inclusion into the European world, with Poland/Lithuania being the gateway, or even what appears as a misplaced fondness of Austrian Hapsburg culture. Why not get with the program and support Ukraine's re-entrance into the Ruskij Mir? Otherwise, you might get permanently locked into some kind of cultural/political anomalous black hole?
     
     

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin

    I don’t think I ever gave that impression – at least I hope I didn’t. People of AP’s disposition are indeed rare – most people think in more straightforward for/against terms – but it’s not like any hardcore svidomy would stick around on my blog so there’s a major self-selection mechanism at play.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I do recall one instance where you seemed to be questioning AP's tightrope walking skills regarding his Ukrainian/Russian convictions, to which I chimed in too. Hi skills in this regard are indeed "rare" and should be better appreciated by the "normal" rank and file here. :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  52. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    I don't think I ever gave that impression - at least I hope I didn't. People of AP's disposition are indeed rare - most people think in more straightforward for/against terms - but it's not like any hardcore svidomy would stick around on my blog so there's a major self-selection mechanism at play.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I do recall one instance where you seemed to be questioning AP’s tightrope walking skills regarding his Ukrainian/Russian convictions, to which I chimed in too. Hi skills in this regard are indeed “rare” and should be better appreciated by the “normal” rank and file here. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    My own proclivities towards Svidomism have certainly been curtailed by my experiences being born in and being an American. The laissez fair attitude towards nationality that still exists in America has imbued my own perceptions to a great extent, and therefore mitigate against any hard core nationalist tendencies on my part. I would think that you picked up on this same feeling while living in the US for 10 years or so? Yet, I find that you're some kind of a symbol of Russian nationalism, at least many of your readers seem to think that you are? :-)

  53. @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I do recall one instance where you seemed to be questioning AP's tightrope walking skills regarding his Ukrainian/Russian convictions, to which I chimed in too. Hi skills in this regard are indeed "rare" and should be better appreciated by the "normal" rank and file here. :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    My own proclivities towards Svidomism have certainly been curtailed by my experiences being born in and being an American. The laissez fair attitude towards nationality that still exists in America has imbued my own perceptions to a great extent, and therefore mitigate against any hard core nationalist tendencies on my part. I would think that you picked up on this same feeling while living in the US for 10 years or so? Yet, I find that you’re some kind of a symbol of Russian nationalism, at least many of your readers seem to think that you are? 🙂

  54. @Rahan
    Over the last decade, the Anglosphere and Europe have been going downhill pretty visibly, in the crude visible manifestations that include state of physical infrastructure, feeling of safety or lack of thereof on the street, normal vs scowling faces, and a sharp decrease in basic ability to get things done.

    This, in a sense, "doubles" the growth of second world countries such as the various Slavlands and China--because when for every step forward the 2nd world takes, the 1st world take a step back (and in "invisible area" too, such as basic liberties and institutional corruption, for example), the "catching up" happens twice as fast.

    By now, and I mean before the Corona "virtual world war" of course, we don't yet know what's what with that, but say by 2019, most of the 2nd world was already close enough to the 1st world in terms of basic quality of life, that this reduced the desire for a lot of people to "go West" to raise a family. Because there's still a difference in wages, and you can make more money in the West than in the East by working the same thing, but if you actually live longterm in England, America, France, Spain, etc, then what you earn there you'll spend there to buy a quality of life which is basically the same as in Croatia, Hungary, Latvia, or Russia. But plus a solid dose of alienation.

    It makes sense to go work in the West for a year or five, in order to accumulate basic capital, which then to invest back home into something of your own, but it no longer makes sense to permanently settle in the West and raise a family there. Rather, you go and work in the West to make some money which then you move to a place where its value magically rises fivefold, and use it to kick start your own life back home, and raise a family where you actually belong.

    Which is why Germany today is desperate for Ukrainians for example--because most of the rest of Eastern Europe no longer bothers, because what's the point of living as a taxi driver in some crap town with middle eastern youths giving you looks on the street, and bureaucrats being increasingly crap, when you can have the same experience in the comfort of your home and actually be what you studied for?

    The supply of architects and engineers who become taxi drivers and plumbers is drying up from the traditional pools of such overqualified "blue collar workers" (which phenomenon, BTW, helped fool the West that foreigners can easily adapt and do the work you need them to do, because of the wave of "vastly overqualified former commie immigrants", which is not the same as a wave of vastly underqualified Afghans and Somalians), and the new pools are the Ukraine and Belarus, and after that it'll be time to figure out a way to either change how the economy works, or shift the "populace vacuuming up" mechanisms to I don't know. Uzbekistan?

    Thus, with the convergence of the quality of life between the 2nd and 1st worlds over the last decade, I'd say that the initial wave of "brain drain" and "overqualified blue collar workers" is finished. Those who went to settle will remain there, but the newer generations no longer have this motivation. (Aside from the parasite castes, who will always listen to the siren call of laxer foreign gibs)

    Whoever left from the productive population--left. From now on the exodus from Eastern Europe and Russia and China will slow a lot, has already slowed, so what their leaders need to concentrate on is how to manage fertility and consolidative demographics.

    And the elites of the 1st World will either have to restructure their economies back to something more sane and humane, or they'll have to shift to India and ASEAN as their main pool of "2nd tier competent foreign workers". And that's if they really do manage to set up and maintain a sane filtering system, instead of letting in all the losers and hoodlums instead.

    India alone can feed the need for 2nd tier competent workers of the whole 1st world, if this is managed correctly. And keeping in mind how fast basic competence is eroding all across the 1st world, with affirmative hiring and toxic PC environments squeeing out anyone who can actually do stuff, with everything now hanging on a bunch of fossils at the age of 60 and 70, after whom will come the great competency collapse--importing a few million normal Hindus can actually help stabilize the system.

    There are many sections of the economy where a random well educated Hindu will perform better than the choice of eunuchs, hysterics, diegos, and dindus which is today's situation. It really HAS come to the unnatural situation that NO ONE is as competent as the last white natives who can actually achieve stuff and will be retiring any year now, and the second best choice is certainly not their children and grandchildren, because they have been...(((neutralized and deconstructed))) far too well.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Quite an interesting reply. As long as “competent and educated” sorts are imported to handle needed technical positions and “hoodlums and losers” are filtered out, who’s to complain?

  55. @Felix Keverich

    Citizens of Moldova, Ukraine, Belorussia, and Kazakhstan who have a residency permit in Russia can apply for citizenship without any need to live in Russia for a set period of years.
    ...the waiving of residency requirements only for those four countries in particular is as good refutation as any that these reforms are a covert means to launch “population replacement” on the West European model.
     
    At the end of the day shitty Russian economy is our best protection from the Western European model.

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @The Alarmist

    I dunno … by the time the current crop of Western leaders gets done saving us from My Corona, the USSR circa 1989 is going to look good to most in the West.

  56. @sudden death
    @JL

    Probably there is not very significant difference of westward emigration between ethnic and non ethnic Baltic state population, but eastward emigration since 1991 has been dominantly non ethnic one.

    Westward emigration since 1991 has been economical not political, so even if brain drain is real without a doubt, it was way smaller compared with WW2 emigration when succesful and productive people were forced to flee en masse from second soviet coming, e.g. some post WWII forced emigrees returned to Lithuania after 1991 and created here new succesful bussinesses such as leading mobile communication company. Also our leading scientific laser producers and biotech industry scientists did not leave after 1991, created succesful private firms and got rich creating their products in Lithuania and exporting it worldwide. Even ordinary economic migration which is net loss for population can sometimes bring unexpected economic benefits in the future as one of the biggest open field reccent investments in Lithuania was done by the foreign guy who has emigree Lithuanian wife :)

    Also there is a subset of economic emigrees which consist of white thrash of any nationality, prone to petty or serious criminal deeds, but having very weak national identity and being easily completely assimilated in the long run even without assimilational politics in the West, so the loss of such population subset is actually a gain as overall criminality rates go down after their emigration.

    Replies: @Rattus Norwegius, @sudden death

    I know that Baltic Russians are vastly overrepresented when it comes to outmigration eastwards, but i wonder if they are overrepresented in migration to EU too?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Rattus Norwegius

    Really don't know if any studies about the exact numbers were done in this regard, but one can easily find not so rare stories about various more or less serious misdeeds of "Lithuanians" abroad with specific non Baltic ethnic names or surnames. To be fair, it is not more rare to find such stories about truly ethnic Lithuanians too:


    A lorry driver used his mobile phone, tail-gated and undertook other motorists, cut across lanes, drove in the fast lane and broke the speed limit on a danger-filled six and a half hour motorway drive.

    At one point, HGV driver Dmitrijus Jakimcovas spent 38 minutes on his mobile phone during a prolonged spell of dangerous driving on the M1 between junction 2, on the outskirts of London, to junction 22 at Markfield.

    Prosecutor Priya Bakshi told the court how the 30-year-old Lithuanian was reported by other people in vehicles on the M1.

    Mr Lassey said Jakimcovas had come to the UK in 2008 and had been an agency driver for five years.

    On December 2018 he was convicted at the same court of using a fraudulent registration document and no insurance.

    He was banned from driving for six months.

    Judge Timothy Spencer QC said: “All in all, this is one of the worst instances of dangerous driving I have ever had the misfortune to watch and this took place over more than six hours.

    “It is only by sheer luck that no actual damage and no actual injury was caused.

    “You stand before me in this court because you elected trial in the magistrates’ court and they found against you.

    "How on earth you thought you could defend a charge of dangerous driving beggars belief.

    “You showed scant regard for the obligations of driving on the road and for the safety of other road users.

    “You were driving this lorry, 44 tonnes of it.

    "There is particular obligation when driving such a vehicle to observe the rules of the road, to pay respect to other road users and not to put others road users in danger.

    “You flaunted that time and time again.

    Today I have to give you a sentence of immediate custody. If I did not, I would be failing in my duty in light of the very serious nature of this offence.

    The judge sent Jakimcovas to jail for 14 months
     

    https://www.itv.com/news/central/2019-08-05/lorry-driver-jailed-after-danger-filled-six-and-a-half-hour-motorway-drive-markfield/

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard

  57. @Vishnugupta
    @Just Passing Through

    We are biding our time.At present we are too weak to fight on too many fronts.

    The CAA is the first law that allows your religion to pay a key role in determining your chance of securing Indian citizenship once this is operationalized it is much simpler to extend this concept at a later date to allow say zoroastrians and Yazidi but not Muslims from the middle east to settle in India.

    Our per capita income is presently around 2000 usd(nominal) at 6-7% pa growth rate( we have been growing at this rate from the 1980s) we are looking at about 6-7 k per capita income(nominal in 2020 Dollars) by 2040.

    Yes India like most countries is effected by dysgenic fertility trends but there are also approx 200 million + Upper Caste Hindus(including Brahmins)whose cognitive potential has been lying mostly inert and has just begun to come on line.

    Also the floor IQ of the bottom 80% of the Indian caste pyramid is unknown, anecdotally descendants of lowest caste indentured labourers from the poorest most famine prone parts of India in places like Suriname and Mauritius score in the early 90s and Indians outside the US are overwhelmingly non upper caste in all other 1st world countries but often outperform the local population in terms of per capita wealth and income and usually academic achievement as well.

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @china-russia-all-the-way

    Any insight into the differences within the high castes?

    I notice that Indian Nobel Prize laureates are dominated by two groups. Literature, Economics, Economics went to Bengali Brahmins. Physics, Physics, and Chemistry went to Tamil Brahmins. There is another physics winner who is a Khatri (interesting merchant group from a non-China Silk Road historical perspective). I don’t know about the caste of the peace winner in 2014.

    Are 2-3 Brahmin groups top performers compared to the others?

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Well Tamil Brahmins are known to be superb mathematicians (S Ramanujan was a Tamil Brahmin as are 2 Nobel laureates in Physics Chandrashekhar( NASA chandra x ray telescope is named after him) and CV Raman.

    Amartaya Sen's Economics Nobel prize has more to do with his wife's surname(Rothschilds) than any path breaking insights.

    Sen btw are a non Brahmin high iq upper caste group known as Kayasthas(Scribes) which includes Bose (SN Bose famous for Bose Einstein statistics,Boson is named after him and JC Bose who independently invented the wireless)

    Tagore was a genuine literary great.The best India has produced in the past 150 years.

    Bengal had a 100 year lead over the rest of the country as the British first introduced modern higher education there, since independence Bengal has been a modest performer.

    The nobel prize for peace is a zero credibility fraud includes people like Yasser Arafat and Obama

    Yes Hargobind Khurana is a Khatri a caste more known for their outsize presence in the armed forces and relatively good looking women than any intellectual achievements, still okayish average upper caste performance in academics.

    Overall Brahmins,Kayasths and Vaishyas are considered the relatively brainy within upper caste Hindus which now function as a dominant group with lots of inter caste marriages within upper caste Hindu groups among each other and with Jains and Zoroastrians who are considered honorary upper castes in India..

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @Jatt Arya

  58. • Replies: @AP
    @Aedib

    More evidence that Zelensky is a pro-Russian politician as Russian nationalists have optimistically claimed.

    (For autists: that was sarcasm)

  59. @Rattus Norwegius
    @sudden death

    I know that Baltic Russians are vastly overrepresented when it comes to outmigration eastwards, but i wonder if they are overrepresented in migration to EU too?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Really don’t know if any studies about the exact numbers were done in this regard, but one can easily find not so rare stories about various more or less serious misdeeds of “Lithuanians” abroad with specific non Baltic ethnic names or surnames. To be fair, it is not more rare to find such stories about truly ethnic Lithuanians too:

    A lorry driver used his mobile phone, tail-gated and undertook other motorists, cut across lanes, drove in the fast lane and broke the speed limit on a danger-filled six and a half hour motorway drive.

    At one point, HGV driver Dmitrijus Jakimcovas spent 38 minutes on his mobile phone during a prolonged spell of dangerous driving on the M1 between junction 2, on the outskirts of London, to junction 22 at Markfield.

    Prosecutor Priya Bakshi told the court how the 30-year-old Lithuanian was reported by other people in vehicles on the M1.

    Mr Lassey said Jakimcovas had come to the UK in 2008 and had been an agency driver for five years.

    On December 2018 he was convicted at the same court of using a fraudulent registration document and no insurance.

    He was banned from driving for six months.

    Judge Timothy Spencer QC said: “All in all, this is one of the worst instances of dangerous driving I have ever had the misfortune to watch and this took place over more than six hours.

    “It is only by sheer luck that no actual damage and no actual injury was caused.

    “You stand before me in this court because you elected trial in the magistrates’ court and they found against you.

    “How on earth you thought you could defend a charge of dangerous driving beggars belief.

    “You showed scant regard for the obligations of driving on the road and for the safety of other road users.

    “You were driving this lorry, 44 tonnes of it.

    “There is particular obligation when driving such a vehicle to observe the rules of the road, to pay respect to other road users and not to put others road users in danger.

    “You flaunted that time and time again.

    Today I have to give you a sentence of immediate custody. If I did not, I would be failing in my duty in light of the very serious nature of this offence.

    The judge sent Jakimcovas to jail for 14 months

    https://www.itv.com/news/central/2019-08-05/lorry-driver-jailed-after-danger-filled-six-and-a-half-hour-motorway-drive-markfield/

    • Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death


    To find crimes of "Lithuanians" abroad with specific non-Baltics surnames
     
    LOL..... you have just made up that garbage on the spot. Probably out of insecurity because of the failures of your people. It is a complete lie.

    I am sure that Internet search or anecdotal evidence from people in the UK show a huge number of violent robbery, burglary, human trafficking, drug dealing, domestic violence, random violence and drink driving leading to death by ETHNIC Lithuanians and Poles. They have by far the highest per capita foreign ethnicity in UK jails LOL.

    That you have had to go through a deluge of those awful stories on the internet... to get to one Russian Lithuanian drink driving without ANY INJURY even being the result--is immensely amusing and indicative of the cynical game you are playing! It is of course overwhelmingly ethnic balts in the UK doing this- for Latvians there in uk it is way in excess of 75/25 ethnic split in Latvia


    Dmitrijus Jakimcovas
     
    LOL... Which leads me nicely into my next point. What type of dirtbag, nothing country does this pitiful and evil act of Lithuanianising/balticising a slavic name? Why are they always allowed to get away with this most clear human rights violation?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Matra

  60. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @Vishnugupta

    Any insight into the differences within the high castes?

    I notice that Indian Nobel Prize laureates are dominated by two groups. Literature, Economics, Economics went to Bengali Brahmins. Physics, Physics, and Chemistry went to Tamil Brahmins. There is another physics winner who is a Khatri (interesting merchant group from a non-China Silk Road historical perspective). I don't know about the caste of the peace winner in 2014.

    Are 2-3 Brahmin groups top performers compared to the others?

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

    Well Tamil Brahmins are known to be superb mathematicians (S Ramanujan was a Tamil Brahmin as are 2 Nobel laureates in Physics Chandrashekhar( NASA chandra x ray telescope is named after him) and CV Raman.

    Amartaya Sen’s Economics Nobel prize has more to do with his wife’s surname(Rothschilds) than any path breaking insights.

    Sen btw are a non Brahmin high iq upper caste group known as Kayasthas(Scribes) which includes Bose (SN Bose famous for Bose Einstein statistics,Boson is named after him and JC Bose who independently invented the wireless)

    Tagore was a genuine literary great.The best India has produced in the past 150 years.

    Bengal had a 100 year lead over the rest of the country as the British first introduced modern higher education there, since independence Bengal has been a modest performer.

    The nobel prize for peace is a zero credibility fraud includes people like Yasser Arafat and Obama

    Yes Hargobind Khurana is a Khatri a caste more known for their outsize presence in the armed forces and relatively good looking women than any intellectual achievements, still okayish average upper caste performance in academics.

    Overall Brahmins,Kayasths and Vaishyas are considered the relatively brainy within upper caste Hindus which now function as a dominant group with lots of inter caste marriages within upper caste Hindu groups among each other and with Jains and Zoroastrians who are considered honorary upper castes in India..

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill, Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
    @Vishnugupta


    Amartaya Sen’s Economics Nobel prize has more to do with his wife’s surname(Rothschilds) than any path breaking insights
     
    .

    He was also towing the line in relation to democracy and how great it was in providing transparent information on India's food shortages. Very similar to the current hysteria of how we could have been saved from the killed virus if evil China was a democracy.
    , @Jatt Arya
    @Vishnugupta

    1. You're gay.
    2. You'd like this interview: good insight into generation around 47. https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/04/19/interview-with-a-mujahid-maj-gen-tajammal-hussain-malik/

    3. You're gay, grow some hair.
    https://twitter.com/DrGSingh05/status/1252791213217902592?s=20
    https://twitter.com/kaljugi/status/1252737731320479751?s=20

    4. You're gay inter-caste is banned, beef eaters are not human.
    https://twitter.com/WaterTribe108/status/1253860996583772160?s=20
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B70BnjRF54p/



    5. You're gay, what's the point of being High-IQ if you use it to advance cucking?
    Marriage
    "Marry a girl from your own caste. [28]"

    https://www.allaboutsikhs.com/sikh-rehat-maryada/desa-singh-rahit-nama-2

    vs

    By overthrowing the barriers between inimical families and races, ruinous internecine warfare was diminished and greater peace and harmony secured

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm

    All these Goras who oppose black lund in thier white daughter's phuddi||

    Should fine a dif. religion.

  61. @Aedib
    Saakashvili returns to Ukraine?

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/turning-saakashvili-will-not-help-ukraine-147766

    Replies: @AP

    More evidence that Zelensky is a pro-Russian politician as Russian nationalists have optimistically claimed.

    (For autists: that was sarcasm)

  62. Worked at Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan in late 90s. Remember a day trip to Leninsk, a Russian city there. Beautiful women. If memory serves, city had about 40,000 population.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
    @RJJCDA


    Worked at Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan in late 90s. Remember a day trip to Leninsk, a Russian city there. Beautiful women. If memory serves, city had about 40,000 population.
     
    Where Cargo 200 was set (but not filmed, Wikipedia tells me).

    Hidden beauties in monotowns is a cliché, of course, but it's true. My thoughts turn to Evgeniya Loza, from the town of Antratsit, which is probably as dreary as its name.

    https://screenfiction.org/content/image/0/31/87/a2e35575-full.jpeg

    Replies: @Jatt Arya, @JL

  63. @Europe Europa
    @Just Passing Through

    1. Thugs going around attacking foreigners at random isn't really a national characteristic to be proud of, if it really is common.

    2. One case from 2013 doesn't prove it is common. There are isolated cases of native British people attacking foreigners in racist attacks, but no one would seriously argue that it is common in Britain.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Blinky Bill

    There is a long-running media campaign in the West to portray Russians as racist people. In reality Russians are about as racist as Southern Europeans (or Republicans in the US).

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  64. @Europe Europa
    @Just Passing Through

    1. Thugs going around attacking foreigners at random isn't really a national characteristic to be proud of, if it really is common.

    2. One case from 2013 doesn't prove it is common. There are isolated cases of native British people attacking foreigners in racist attacks, but no one would seriously argue that it is common in Britain.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Blinky Bill

    Dagestanis in Moscow are about as foreign as the Welsh in London. 😂😂😂

    Meibion Glyndŵr, Sons of Glyndŵr was a Welsh nationalist movement violently opposed to the loss of Welsh culture and language. They were formed in response to the housing crisis precipitated by large numbers of houses being bought by wealthy English people for use as holiday homes, pushing up house prices beyond the means of many locals. They were responsible for setting fire to English-owned holiday homes in Wales from 1979 to the mid-1990s.

    1979–94: Meibion Glyndŵr fire-bomb around 220 English-owned homes.
    1988–89: Meibion Glyndŵr declared that “every white settler is a target”. The group also placed incendiary bombs in Conservative party offices in London and estate agents’ offices in London, Liverpool, Sutton Coldfield, Haverfordwest, Carmarthen and Llandeilo.
    1990: Poet and priest R. S. Thomas calls for a campaign to deface English-owned homes.
    1993: Sion Aubrey Roberts, a member of Meibion Glyndŵr, was jailed for twelve years for sending letter bombs to Conservative politicians.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Blinky Bill

    I don't quite get your point. Presumably you're trying to "prove" that Britain is just as much a dysfunctional, chaotic shithole as Russia?

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

  65. @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    LOL- Lithuania, who have by far the least Russians in the baltics, have got the largest alcoholism rate in the world, and one of the world’s highest suicide rates. I’ll give extra points for ineptness because I’m fairly sure 1.95m+ tall. people aren’t suspised to be as susceptible to alcoholism, yet Lithuania has to be the tallest country I have seen, outside of the Balkans.

    Perhaps not enough Russians or “colonists” is the problem in these idiot countries.
     

    Not to deny existence of such problems, but that's rich hearing it from you, when worldwide RF currently also is in No.2 by suicide rates and No. 6 by alcohol consumption rates, lol :)

    Russia is by far the largest trading partner of the Baltics–so they are parasites as well as liars.
     
    Once again this is perfect example when somewhat technically truthful fact without a context equals a lie as all Baltic states have roughly about 50-60% of all the trade with EU&US, 20-30% with the rest of the world and about 10-15% with RF (imports mainly oil&gas and re-exports foreign goods into RF). When taken individually as a country by country, yes RF trade has the biggest share, but in the whole picture it is actually just minor trading partner among all trading blocks.

    Paskas, not Trump, was the first President to be impeached for “links” to Russia. A straightforward illegal farce- of course to be replaced by the Nazi-American scumbag he democratically defeated, against the odds, in an election just before.
     
    btw, this clown Paksas recently lost his last elections to Europarliament after his voyages to Putin&Lukashenko, whereas he was not flaunting his allegiance to RF at all during 2003 election campaign and now is doing his best effort to increase alcohol consumption statistics during quarantine while trying to beat the wife, lol:

    Police officers were called in to the home of ex-Lithuanian President Rolandas Paksas on Saturday, and the former president was later taken to hospital, Ramunas Matonis, spokesman for the Police Departament, told BNS. "The wife's call was received that her husband was under the influence of alcohol and was rowing and using physical violence. No evidence of physical harm caused was found upon arrival and the man was taken to hospital because of this health state. The wife refrained from medical assistance," he said.
     
    https://en.delfi.lt/politics/ex-lithuanian-presidents-wife-calls-police-over-domestic-violence.d?id=84086671

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @Dmitry

    That’s rich coming from you….. Russia is 2nd place in suicides and 6th place in alcohol rates

    LOL – you’ve been victim of some Soros/Google/Wikipedia/NWO fake news BS. You are simply incorrect – Russia is nowhere near the 2nd highest suicide rate in the world. Russian state agencies are very thorough in updating figures.

    Russia had either 17000 or 19000 suicides last year( I can’t remember which figure it is) . During the worst of the 90s it was 57000 per year. That reduction is a miraculous achievement. Taking it as 19k – the rate is 13….far lower than Litva. It’s lower than Poland too. It is not even in the top 10.

    As with alcohol stats- the large amounts of people in Russia living in areas of extreme cold, and or very restricted daylight hours in winter plus some of the peculiarities of some ethnic republics in these areas should mean homogenous, temperate and small “EU” Litva being nowhere near Russia in alcohol and suicide rate…… not far ahead as they are now!

    Lithuania’s alcohol rate far surpasses Russia. Again 6th place for Russia is either outdated or a lie. Again, Russia is on a very successful downward trend- many of the EU states now drink more than Russia also.

    Out of context…. Much of it Oil and gas…. 60% EU/US trade

    I was still thinking in pre-Crimea times–when imports and exports were an astonishing 30% each! That is parasitism. Look at how Latvia’s railway industry has collapsed with the degradation of trade and relations with Russia.

    LOL- how is it sensible to compare a multi-state block of 450million people +325M with US, to Russia with 146M? So what if it is 60% trade with EU/US? Russia is about 45% with EU/US. That is quite significant and was probably much higher percentage before upsurge in China trade in last 4 years. Take out other Baltics and Poland (who Lithuania would significantly trade with anyway if all were not in EU) then the percentage compared to Russia is about the same.

    As for oil and gas….. so what? Those industries are the biggest tax payers into the Russian state. Unlike the middle east states who use foreigners- millions of skilled RUSSIANS work in oil/gas industry. Much of Russia’s alcohol comes through Litva also, LOL.

    Best effort to increase alcohol consumption statistics during quarantine while trying to beat the wife

    Oh come on now! that’s not fair. What are the chances that the one time I bring out Paskas….. an event like that would happen THIS week! I had no idea about it.

    He was not flaunting his allegiance to Russia at all in 2003

    What is “flaunting allegiance to Russia” in a state with huge official russophobia… and in which he represented the USSR in aerobatics and long held a reputation as harnessing strong trade with Russia ? He was for joining the EU, went along with NATO but without all the anti-russia BS.

    He was cheated out of the job as part of a Western scam, with the job stolen by the American Nazi dirtbag that he defeated fairly. He’s a great guy…..important to note no injuries

  66. @Blinky Bill
    @Europe Europa

    Dagestanis in Moscow are about as foreign as the Welsh in London. 😂😂😂

    Meibion Glyndŵr, Sons of Glyndŵr was a Welsh nationalist movement violently opposed to the loss of Welsh culture and language. They were formed in response to the housing crisis precipitated by large numbers of houses being bought by wealthy English people for use as holiday homes, pushing up house prices beyond the means of many locals. They were responsible for setting fire to English-owned holiday homes in Wales from 1979 to the mid-1990s.

    1979–94: Meibion Glyndŵr fire-bomb around 220 English-owned homes.
    1988–89: Meibion Glyndŵr declared that "every white settler is a target". The group also placed incendiary bombs in Conservative party offices in London and estate agents' offices in London, Liverpool, Sutton Coldfield, Haverfordwest, Carmarthen and Llandeilo.
    1990: Poet and priest R. S. Thomas calls for a campaign to deface English-owned homes.
    1993: Sion Aubrey Roberts, a member of Meibion Glyndŵr, was jailed for twelve years for sending letter bombs to Conservative politicians.


    https://youtu.be/m6a4llckmb4
    https://youtu.be/h9cWtWHdrt4

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    I don’t quite get your point. Presumably you’re trying to “prove” that Britain is just as much a dysfunctional, chaotic shithole as Russia?

    • LOL: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Europe Europa

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Flag_of_the_Free_Wales_Army.svg/440px-Flag_of_the_Free_Wales_Army.svg.png

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Europe Europa

    BARONESS Thatcher will host a dinner for the president of the breakaway republic of Chechnya in London next week. Aslan Maskhadov will have no shortage of big-name supporters during his time in London. Imran Khan is hosting a dinner for the Chechen leader, as is the former chairman of the Conservative Party, Lord Tebbit. Mr Maskhadov's visit is being hosted by Lord McAlpine, businessman and former Tory treasurer.

    Lady Thatcher's support for Mr Maskhadov is a remarkable turnaround. During the Soviet era, she was the most loyal international supporter of the then Kremlin leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, and was notably reluctant to criticise the Soviet use of force against the Baltic states and in the Caucasus. Part of the explanation for her high-profile support for Mr Maskhadov may lie in her warm relationship with Lord MacAlpine, who has become the most vocal supporter in Britain of the Chechen cause. Lord McAlpine's support for the Chechens is said by his friends to be based on an "instant affinity" and his liking for "a very impressive people". He visited Chechnya last year, and has played an important role in trying to establish investment funds for Chechnya, where he seems set to become a key regional player.

    The Russians have partly renounced their claim to dominate Chechnya, while still refusing to acknowledge Chechnya as an international player.

  67. @Europe Europa
    @Blinky Bill

    I don't quite get your point. Presumably you're trying to "prove" that Britain is just as much a dysfunctional, chaotic shithole as Russia?

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

  68. @Europe Europa
    @Blinky Bill

    I don't quite get your point. Presumably you're trying to "prove" that Britain is just as much a dysfunctional, chaotic shithole as Russia?

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

    BARONESS Thatcher will host a dinner for the president of the breakaway republic of Chechnya in London next week. Aslan Maskhadov will have no shortage of big-name supporters during his time in London. Imran Khan is hosting a dinner for the Chechen leader, as is the former chairman of the Conservative Party, Lord Tebbit. Mr Maskhadov’s visit is being hosted by Lord McAlpine, businessman and former Tory treasurer.

    Lady Thatcher’s support for Mr Maskhadov is a remarkable turnaround. During the Soviet era, she was the most loyal international supporter of the then Kremlin leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, and was notably reluctant to criticise the Soviet use of force against the Baltic states and in the Caucasus. Part of the explanation for her high-profile support for Mr Maskhadov may lie in her warm relationship with Lord MacAlpine, who has become the most vocal supporter in Britain of the Chechen cause. Lord McAlpine’s support for the Chechens is said by his friends to be based on an “instant affinity” and his liking for “a very impressive people”. He visited Chechnya last year, and has played an important role in trying to establish investment funds for Chechnya, where he seems set to become a key regional player.

    The Russians have partly renounced their claim to dominate Chechnya, while still refusing to acknowledge Chechnya as an international player.

  69. @ariel
    what percentage of kazakhs,uzbeks,tajiks living in Russia are ethnic europeans?

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Over 75%.

  70. @Tonton
    How Russian expats are reacting with the betterment of conditions in Russia? Do at least stop to see an hemorrhaging of talents?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Income in Russia has never recovered from a devaulation disaster in 2014. My impression of recent job adverts, has been that the distance has only increased in the 5 years – e.g. large multinational companies can be boasting about incomes which are 1/3 of what they will pay in Western Europe for the same experience level – or 1/5 of America. My memory is not perfect, but this seems worse to my memory than how it was 5 years ago for such companies. While the competition for the lower salary job in Russia will be likely higher (higher quality people, possibly even with better English language ability) might be competing in the job interview in Russia, than for the higher salary job in Western Europe. On the other hand, only a very small proportion of labour types can work abroad. So – although there is no data available on emigration – we can be sure no large movement in either direction. Emigration from Russia is really small relative to the country total, and I believe there are far higher numbers of even workers from countries like India now in Western Europe, even in those sectors which allow you to work in Europe.

  71. @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    LOL- Lithuania, who have by far the least Russians in the baltics, have got the largest alcoholism rate in the world, and one of the world’s highest suicide rates. I’ll give extra points for ineptness because I’m fairly sure 1.95m+ tall. people aren’t suspised to be as susceptible to alcoholism, yet Lithuania has to be the tallest country I have seen, outside of the Balkans.

    Perhaps not enough Russians or “colonists” is the problem in these idiot countries.
     

    Not to deny existence of such problems, but that's rich hearing it from you, when worldwide RF currently also is in No.2 by suicide rates and No. 6 by alcohol consumption rates, lol :)

    Russia is by far the largest trading partner of the Baltics–so they are parasites as well as liars.
     
    Once again this is perfect example when somewhat technically truthful fact without a context equals a lie as all Baltic states have roughly about 50-60% of all the trade with EU&US, 20-30% with the rest of the world and about 10-15% with RF (imports mainly oil&gas and re-exports foreign goods into RF). When taken individually as a country by country, yes RF trade has the biggest share, but in the whole picture it is actually just minor trading partner among all trading blocks.

    Paskas, not Trump, was the first President to be impeached for “links” to Russia. A straightforward illegal farce- of course to be replaced by the Nazi-American scumbag he democratically defeated, against the odds, in an election just before.
     
    btw, this clown Paksas recently lost his last elections to Europarliament after his voyages to Putin&Lukashenko, whereas he was not flaunting his allegiance to RF at all during 2003 election campaign and now is doing his best effort to increase alcohol consumption statistics during quarantine while trying to beat the wife, lol:

    Police officers were called in to the home of ex-Lithuanian President Rolandas Paksas on Saturday, and the former president was later taken to hospital, Ramunas Matonis, spokesman for the Police Departament, told BNS. "The wife's call was received that her husband was under the influence of alcohol and was rowing and using physical violence. No evidence of physical harm caused was found upon arrival and the man was taken to hospital because of this health state. The wife refrained from medical assistance," he said.
     
    https://en.delfi.lt/politics/ex-lithuanian-presidents-wife-calls-police-over-domestic-violence.d?id=84086671

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @Dmitry

    What happens with the coronavirus situation in the Baltic states?

    Latvia seems to have the lower intensity of epidemic so far, although they all are three of them less effected than an average for EU countries…

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Dmitry

    So far it seems that worst case script has been indeed avoided, e.g. here in Lithuania rather strict (by Western standards) and still ongoing quarantine with the closure of all education institutions, stores (except pharmacies and food) and public activities has been implemented since March 13 when we had less than 10 known official infected cases and zero deaths at the time.

    Prediction made then was to reach about 6000 infections at the end of April, in fact we now have nearly 1500 infected and 40 deaths, all of fatalities, except two, were over 60 years of age. Last week quarantine measures were softened a little bit as other kind of stores were opened too, but mask wearing in public places is mandatory and people without masks are being fined by the police.

    The most problematic things have been initial lack of testing capabilities&protective gear which caused many intra-hospital cross infections, as quite lot of medical staff and elderly patients with other commorbidities were infected, but so far medical staff deaths have been avoided. Situation with testing also improved really significantly with the establishment of mobile testing points and expansion of testing institutions as at the moment Lithuania is No. 10 worldwide at testing per capita (tests/1M pop), Estonia is No. 12, Latvia No. 24.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @Dmitry

  72. @Dmitry
    @sudden death

    What happens with the coronavirus situation in the Baltic states?

    Latvia seems to have the lower intensity of epidemic so far, although they all are three of them less effected than an average for EU countries...

    Replies: @sudden death

    So far it seems that worst case script has been indeed avoided, e.g. here in Lithuania rather strict (by Western standards) and still ongoing quarantine with the closure of all education institutions, stores (except pharmacies and food) and public activities has been implemented since March 13 when we had less than 10 known official infected cases and zero deaths at the time.

    Prediction made then was to reach about 6000 infections at the end of April, in fact we now have nearly 1500 infected and 40 deaths, all of fatalities, except two, were over 60 years of age. Last week quarantine measures were softened a little bit as other kind of stores were opened too, but mask wearing in public places is mandatory and people without masks are being fined by the police.

    The most problematic things have been initial lack of testing capabilities&protective gear which caused many intra-hospital cross infections, as quite lot of medical staff and elderly patients with other commorbidities were infected, but so far medical staff deaths have been avoided. Situation with testing also improved really significantly with the establishment of mobile testing points and expansion of testing institutions as at the moment Lithuania is No. 10 worldwide at testing per capita (tests/1M pop), Estonia is No. 12, Latvia No. 24.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    After initial chaos, import&supply of protective gear improved to rather satisfactory levels even in provincial towns, here's the photo of mobile testing point in Šilutė (pop. 15 000):

    https://s2.15min.lt/images/photos/2020/04/24/original/projekto-priesakineselinijose-diena-silutes-mobiliajame-patikros-punkte-5ea29ff0c4b54.jpg

    https://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/sveikata/priesakineselinijose-silutes-mobilaus-patikros-punkto-darbuotojos-apie-emocijas-ir-disciplina-kuri-leidzia-jaustis-ramiau-541-1308588#_

    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death


    Here in Lithuania rather strict.... Quarantine measures were softened a little bit
     
    LOL- the strict authoritarian Lithuanian measures against coronavirus, remind me of their ultra-Authoritarian dictatorship rules on alcohol sale in Lithuania that I forgot to mention! Very paranoid rules on what areas it can be sold, what and when and on advertising....and they are thinking of making it even stricter.

    Lithuania on alcohol laws is closer to Saudi Arabia than it is to Russia! Lol. You forgot to mention that last time.


    1500.....medical staff deaths have been avoided
     
    Good that they do have it under control - it should help the majority of the population reevaluate the BS US funded lies against the USSR heritage they have been brainwashed over.

    Lithuania in top 10 of tests per 1M population, Estonia 12,Latvia 24
     
    Micro states have a big advantage for testing rates - that is obvious. They don't deserve any complements.
    Sverdlovsk, Tatarstan, Rostov (sadly first death today) and Kaliningrad all annihilate either of the Baltics in testing rates, low case numbers, and low deaths - they first three are over 4 million in population

    Now you seem a good guy- I don't want to criticise you. Litva is NOT a black hole like Ukraine which is a failed state. It is almost certain that in reality Ukrops true suicide rate and population decrease (I forgot to mention Litva officially is also world leader on depopulation) is the worst on the planet. All you have to do is shower me with praise for my previous post - it was beautiful.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Dmitry
    @sudden death

    Ok you are from Lithuania. My parents visited recently Lithuania for vacations, and they said they loved your country.

    Actually I remember I posted on this forum about the Lithuanian chocolate pizza they sent me, it was good for photos, but a weird flavour mix.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-55/#comment-2525044


    closure of all education institutions, stores (except pharmacies and food) and public activities has been implemented since March 13
     
    That is a very early lockdown, considering the lack of development of the epidemic then.
    I imagine Baltic states have some advantage of being EU members, in terms of financial insulation - as small countries financially guaranteed by larger ones, and can have a longer selfisolation regime other things equal.

    For example, in more politically and financially isolated small country Israel, they have apparently ended most of the lockdown a week ago already, even as the epidemic is still developing there - they start to become more scared of economic collapse caused through the lockdown, than of the virus.

    Replies: @sudden death

  73. @sudden death
    @Dmitry

    So far it seems that worst case script has been indeed avoided, e.g. here in Lithuania rather strict (by Western standards) and still ongoing quarantine with the closure of all education institutions, stores (except pharmacies and food) and public activities has been implemented since March 13 when we had less than 10 known official infected cases and zero deaths at the time.

    Prediction made then was to reach about 6000 infections at the end of April, in fact we now have nearly 1500 infected and 40 deaths, all of fatalities, except two, were over 60 years of age. Last week quarantine measures were softened a little bit as other kind of stores were opened too, but mask wearing in public places is mandatory and people without masks are being fined by the police.

    The most problematic things have been initial lack of testing capabilities&protective gear which caused many intra-hospital cross infections, as quite lot of medical staff and elderly patients with other commorbidities were infected, but so far medical staff deaths have been avoided. Situation with testing also improved really significantly with the establishment of mobile testing points and expansion of testing institutions as at the moment Lithuania is No. 10 worldwide at testing per capita (tests/1M pop), Estonia is No. 12, Latvia No. 24.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @Dmitry

    After initial chaos, import&supply of protective gear improved to rather satisfactory levels even in provincial towns, here’s the photo of mobile testing point in Šilutė (pop. 15 000):

    https://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/sveikata/priesakineselinijose-silutes-mobilaus-patikros-punkto-darbuotojos-apie-emocijas-ir-disciplina-kuri-leidzia-jaustis-ramiau-541-1308588#_

  74. @sudden death
    @JL

    Probably there is not very significant difference of westward emigration between ethnic and non ethnic Baltic state population, but eastward emigration since 1991 has been dominantly non ethnic one.

    Westward emigration since 1991 has been economical not political, so even if brain drain is real without a doubt, it was way smaller compared with WW2 emigration when succesful and productive people were forced to flee en masse from second soviet coming, e.g. some post WWII forced emigrees returned to Lithuania after 1991 and created here new succesful bussinesses such as leading mobile communication company. Also our leading scientific laser producers and biotech industry scientists did not leave after 1991, created succesful private firms and got rich creating their products in Lithuania and exporting it worldwide. Even ordinary economic migration which is net loss for population can sometimes bring unexpected economic benefits in the future as one of the biggest open field reccent investments in Lithuania was done by the foreign guy who has emigree Lithuanian wife :)

    Also there is a subset of economic emigrees which consist of white thrash of any nationality, prone to petty or serious criminal deeds, but having very weak national identity and being easily completely assimilated in the long run even without assimilational politics in the West, so the loss of such population subset is actually a gain as overall criminality rates go down after their emigration.

    Replies: @Rattus Norwegius, @sudden death

    Some additional data about worldwide scientific laser market:

    Half of all picosecond lasers sold worldwide are produced by Lithuanian companies, while Lithuanian-made femtosecond parametric light amplifiers, used in generating the ultrashort laser pulses, account for as much as 80 % of the world market.

    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/lithuania-leading-light-laser-technology

  75. @Vishnugupta
    @jbwilson24

    At present no one seriously wants to emigrate to India/Pakistan except Bangladeshi/Afghans to ethnically similar areas West Bengal and NWFP respectively.

    Yes, as India develops into a second world country over the next 20 years and the Islamic middle east collapses due to permanent reduction of oil demand (even non oil countries like Turkey will not do well due to Islamists like Erdogan rogering their economy) we will see a Hindu Nationalist India explicitly stating No Muslims allowed.We recently passed something known as the Citizenship Amendment Act which basically allows immigration of everyone EXCEPT Muslims from neighbouring countries.

    I personally would welcome Zoroastrians,Bahais, Yezidis and Coptic Christians from the middle east.Though I am not keen on Africans emigrating here.

    As for Turkey hard times are just around the corner.Kurdish population is 25÷ with a fertility of 3-4 whereas the ethnic Turkey population is sub replacement fertility. On top of that you have long term wrecking of the economy well under way by the Islamists..

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @ariel, @anonymous599

    Fertility problem of Turkey isn’t just about the Kurds. Population of Syrians, inc Kurds, Arabs, Turkmens, is 5.5 at average (I don’t include Afgans(~2 million), Central Asians, Africans, other Arabs, Pakistanis etc..) Even Erdogan’s spokesman said Turkey,right now, feeds around 7 million Syrians (I think it includes all Syrians including those in Syria). When you also add other illegals, total population of them is around 10 million.

    While fertility of secular Turks is not better then liberals in the West (might be worse as a result of multiple problems in Turkey, I can tell from what I see it is close to Korean fertility), islamists still have above 2 (~2.5). When you consider accelerated migration of secular/taxpayer Turks to Europe/US etc., I mean even majority of elite high school graduates prefer to go study esp. in Germany/France which never happened(let alone doctors/scientist/engineers/software developers etc.), the effect of brain drainage will have significant effect in upcoming decades.

    • Agree: Vishnugupta
  76. @sudden death
    @Dmitry

    So far it seems that worst case script has been indeed avoided, e.g. here in Lithuania rather strict (by Western standards) and still ongoing quarantine with the closure of all education institutions, stores (except pharmacies and food) and public activities has been implemented since March 13 when we had less than 10 known official infected cases and zero deaths at the time.

    Prediction made then was to reach about 6000 infections at the end of April, in fact we now have nearly 1500 infected and 40 deaths, all of fatalities, except two, were over 60 years of age. Last week quarantine measures were softened a little bit as other kind of stores were opened too, but mask wearing in public places is mandatory and people without masks are being fined by the police.

    The most problematic things have been initial lack of testing capabilities&protective gear which caused many intra-hospital cross infections, as quite lot of medical staff and elderly patients with other commorbidities were infected, but so far medical staff deaths have been avoided. Situation with testing also improved really significantly with the establishment of mobile testing points and expansion of testing institutions as at the moment Lithuania is No. 10 worldwide at testing per capita (tests/1M pop), Estonia is No. 12, Latvia No. 24.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @Dmitry

    Here in Lithuania rather strict…. Quarantine measures were softened a little bit

    LOL- the strict authoritarian Lithuanian measures against coronavirus, remind me of their ultra-Authoritarian dictatorship rules on alcohol sale in Lithuania that I forgot to mention! Very paranoid rules on what areas it can be sold, what and when and on advertising….and they are thinking of making it even stricter.

    Lithuania on alcohol laws is closer to Saudi Arabia than it is to Russia! Lol. You forgot to mention that last time.

    1500…..medical staff deaths have been avoided

    Good that they do have it under control – it should help the majority of the population reevaluate the BS US funded lies against the USSR heritage they have been brainwashed over.

    Lithuania in top 10 of tests per 1M population, Estonia 12,Latvia 24

    Micro states have a big advantage for testing rates – that is obvious. They don’t deserve any complements.
    Sverdlovsk, Tatarstan, Rostov (sadly first death today) and Kaliningrad all annihilate either of the Baltics in testing rates, low case numbers, and low deaths – they first three are over 4 million in population

    Now you seem a good guy- I don’t want to criticise you. Litva is NOT a black hole like Ukraine which is a failed state. It is almost certain that in reality Ukrops true suicide rate and population decrease (I forgot to mention Litva officially is also world leader on depopulation) is the worst on the planet. All you have to do is shower me with praise for my previous post – it was beautiful.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    The strict authoritarian Lithuanian measures against coronavirus, remind me of their ultra-Authoritarian dictatorship rules on alcohol sale in Lithuania that I forgot to mention! Very paranoid rules on what areas it can be sold, what and when and on advertising….and they are thinking of making it even stricter.
     
    Those relatively recently (2017-18) introduced Scandinavian style measures are meant to combat and eventually to reduce those high alcohol consumption rates that you also criticised:

    The ten countries with the highest consumption of alcohol (in liters of pure alcohol per capita) are:

    Belarus (14.4 liters)
    Lithuania (12.9 liters)
    Grenada (11.9 liters)
    Czech Republic (11.8 liters)
    France (11.8 liters)
    Russia (11.5 liters)
    Ireland (11.4 liters)
    Luxembourg (11.4 liters)
    Slovakia (11.4 liters)
    Germany (11.3 liters)
     

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/alcohol-consumption-by-country/

    Now about suicide rates from WHO (which seems to be more of RF's friend China puppet than Soros one, lol) data:


    For example in 2020, among the top five are the eastern European country of Lithuania (31.9 suicides per 100k), the eastern European country of Russia (31 suicides per 100k), the south American country of Guyana (29.2 suicides per 100k), and the Asian country of South Korea (26.9 suicides per 100k). A number of other eastern European countries have high suicide rates, including Belarus (26.2 suicides per 100k), Suriname and Kazakhstan, both at around 22 suicides per 100k.
     
    Source:
    World Health Organization (Suicide Rates 2018)

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard

  77. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death


    Here in Lithuania rather strict.... Quarantine measures were softened a little bit
     
    LOL- the strict authoritarian Lithuanian measures against coronavirus, remind me of their ultra-Authoritarian dictatorship rules on alcohol sale in Lithuania that I forgot to mention! Very paranoid rules on what areas it can be sold, what and when and on advertising....and they are thinking of making it even stricter.

    Lithuania on alcohol laws is closer to Saudi Arabia than it is to Russia! Lol. You forgot to mention that last time.


    1500.....medical staff deaths have been avoided
     
    Good that they do have it under control - it should help the majority of the population reevaluate the BS US funded lies against the USSR heritage they have been brainwashed over.

    Lithuania in top 10 of tests per 1M population, Estonia 12,Latvia 24
     
    Micro states have a big advantage for testing rates - that is obvious. They don't deserve any complements.
    Sverdlovsk, Tatarstan, Rostov (sadly first death today) and Kaliningrad all annihilate either of the Baltics in testing rates, low case numbers, and low deaths - they first three are over 4 million in population

    Now you seem a good guy- I don't want to criticise you. Litva is NOT a black hole like Ukraine which is a failed state. It is almost certain that in reality Ukrops true suicide rate and population decrease (I forgot to mention Litva officially is also world leader on depopulation) is the worst on the planet. All you have to do is shower me with praise for my previous post - it was beautiful.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The strict authoritarian Lithuanian measures against coronavirus, remind me of their ultra-Authoritarian dictatorship rules on alcohol sale in Lithuania that I forgot to mention! Very paranoid rules on what areas it can be sold, what and when and on advertising….and they are thinking of making it even stricter.

    Those relatively recently (2017-18) introduced Scandinavian style measures are meant to combat and eventually to reduce those high alcohol consumption rates that you also criticised:

    The ten countries with the highest consumption of alcohol (in liters of pure alcohol per capita) are:

    Belarus (14.4 liters)
    Lithuania (12.9 liters)
    Grenada (11.9 liters)
    Czech Republic (11.8 liters)
    France (11.8 liters)
    Russia (11.5 liters)
    Ireland (11.4 liters)
    Luxembourg (11.4 liters)
    Slovakia (11.4 liters)
    Germany (11.3 liters)

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/alcohol-consumption-by-country/

    Now about suicide rates from WHO (which seems to be more of RF’s friend China puppet than Soros one, lol) data:

    For example in 2020, among the top five are the eastern European country of Lithuania (31.9 suicides per 100k), the eastern European country of Russia (31 suicides per 100k), the south American country of Guyana (29.2 suicides per 100k), and the Asian country of South Korea (26.9 suicides per 100k). A number of other eastern European countries have high suicide rates, including Belarus (26.2 suicides per 100k), Suriname and Kazakhstan, both at around 22 suicides per 100k.

    Source:
    World Health Organization (Suicide Rates 2018)

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/

    • Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death

    As I said, those links are Soros cretin fakes that don't give the 2020 data. Those are also blatant lies that don't give WHO data as they claim. Show me on WHO site where they claim this nonsense?

    When Lithuania reached the embarrassing +30 rate mark in suicides a few years ago ...... Russia was at 20.1. That is much lower than Latvia and only slightly higher than,Estonia- of which the European part of Russia is much lower than anyway. To be at a rate of suicides +30,Russia would have had to suffer 45000 suicides in a year. I repeat - Russia had either 17k or 19k suicides in 2019. Even if the table was only for male suicides.... Russia does not reach 30+. True figure is 13 or less.


    Scandinavian-style measures...
     
    Admirable spin...... I think its best to stick with Saudi Arabia than Scandinavia for now. LOL

    250 metres (or is it 200? ) minimum distance from public spaces/entertainment, schools, Universities (!!!) and cultural objects/ premises for shops selling alcohol in Litva? That's ridiculous.

    Spirits reduced to feminine alcohol percentages at obscene prices..... with brothels (no, I don't use them) involving people being less discreet upon entering and exit..... than if they enter and exist a shop selling alcohol!

    As for ratings, some list Litva way ahead on 15 litres, Russia drinks less than Austria, France, Ireland, Czech Rep, a few other EU states, is level with Hungary and only slightly ahead of Germany and Portugal. More importantly the bad and sometimes even shocking effects in Russia from alcohol that I have been witness to on the roads, streets, shops, plane, train, work are so much lesser and improved now compared to 5,10 and 15 years ago.

    They never should have illegally removed Paskas

    Replies: @sudden death

  78. Russia should just block everyone except ethnic Swedes. If the Rus created Russia, then only the Rus can keep it going. Also expel all non-Rus from Russia and the Russian sphere. Russia should NOT have tracksuited vodka-drinking layabouts bringing the country down.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @TelfoedJohn


    https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-000723647971-ga2vsd-t500x500.jpg

  79. @TelfoedJohn
    Russia should just block everyone except ethnic Swedes. If the Rus created Russia, then only the Rus can keep it going. Also expel all non-Rus from Russia and the Russian sphere. Russia should NOT have tracksuited vodka-drinking layabouts bringing the country down.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

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  80. @Europe Europa
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    I'm not sure it's true that there's no tension between Indians and Pakistanis in Western countries. In Britain at least it's generally understood that Pakistanis (Muslims) and Indians (Hindus/Sikhs) despise each other.

    In the US I could imagine there being less overt tension as both Pakistanis and Indians there tend to be higher caste, more educated and at the higher end of the IQ spectrum, while in the UK they tend to be lower caste, lesser educated and not so high IQ so more prone to openly jingoistic and occasionally violent displays of nationalism.

    Replies: @Just Passing Through

    The Indians in the UK outperform the natives on a lot of socio-economic measures while Pakistanis are African-tier. I have heard the Pakistanis in the UK are mostly from one region in Pakistan called the Mirpur District in Kashmir, and these people are considered untermenschen even by Pakistanis standards.

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

    A nice set of statistics collated by the UK government showing how different ethnic groups perform.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Just Passing Through

    Maybe they do outperform the natives (some of whom are very poor and underachieving), but Indians in the UK are still generally poorer and lower caste than the Indians in the US.

    That said it's not difficult for an ambitious immigrant group to outperform a significant chunk of British natives, frankly a lot of the British underclass are not far off African-tier.

  81. @Vishnugupta
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Well Tamil Brahmins are known to be superb mathematicians (S Ramanujan was a Tamil Brahmin as are 2 Nobel laureates in Physics Chandrashekhar( NASA chandra x ray telescope is named after him) and CV Raman.

    Amartaya Sen's Economics Nobel prize has more to do with his wife's surname(Rothschilds) than any path breaking insights.

    Sen btw are a non Brahmin high iq upper caste group known as Kayasthas(Scribes) which includes Bose (SN Bose famous for Bose Einstein statistics,Boson is named after him and JC Bose who independently invented the wireless)

    Tagore was a genuine literary great.The best India has produced in the past 150 years.

    Bengal had a 100 year lead over the rest of the country as the British first introduced modern higher education there, since independence Bengal has been a modest performer.

    The nobel prize for peace is a zero credibility fraud includes people like Yasser Arafat and Obama

    Yes Hargobind Khurana is a Khatri a caste more known for their outsize presence in the armed forces and relatively good looking women than any intellectual achievements, still okayish average upper caste performance in academics.

    Overall Brahmins,Kayasths and Vaishyas are considered the relatively brainy within upper caste Hindus which now function as a dominant group with lots of inter caste marriages within upper caste Hindu groups among each other and with Jains and Zoroastrians who are considered honorary upper castes in India..

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @Jatt Arya

    Amartaya Sen’s Economics Nobel prize has more to do with his wife’s surname(Rothschilds) than any path breaking insights

    .

    He was also towing the line in relation to democracy and how great it was in providing transparent information on India’s food shortages. Very similar to the current hysteria of how we could have been saved from the killed virus if evil China was a democracy.

  82. I don’t think this is well-advised. Citizenship should be exclusive or close to it. In Russia’s case, that would mean allowing Russophone residents of post-Soviet republics to acquire safe-harbor Russian citizenship and, going forward, conceivably allowing it for Ukrainians and White Russians. For migrants from random loci abroad, naturalization should be limited to people who’ve had periods of their life where they met each all of a certain set of criteria, periods which would have to sum to a majority of their natural life: palpably present in Russia, lawfully present in Russia, domiciled only in Russia; not incarcerated, on probation, on parole, carrying undischarged fines, carrying undischarged penal service obligations, under civil commitment, or under a guardianship order. If you do meet such criteria, you’d need to pass a civics examination (given in Russian) and a Russian proficiency test. At that point you could take an oath of citizenship conjoined to executing a statement renouncing your previous citizenship (to be sent to the nearest consulate of said country).

    • Replies: @Denis
    @Art Deco


    In Russia’s case, that would mean allowing Russophone residents of post-Soviet republics to acquire safe-harbor Russian citizenship and, going forward, conceivably allowing it for Ukrainians and White Russians.
     
    They should simply open the borders for White and Little Russians and be done with it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  83. @Just Passing Through
    @Europe Europa

    The Indians in the UK outperform the natives on a lot of socio-economic measures while Pakistanis are African-tier. I have heard the Pakistanis in the UK are mostly from one region in Pakistan called the Mirpur District in Kashmir, and these people are considered untermenschen even by Pakistanis standards.

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

    A nice set of statistics collated by the UK government showing how different ethnic groups perform.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    Maybe they do outperform the natives (some of whom are very poor and underachieving), but Indians in the UK are still generally poorer and lower caste than the Indians in the US.

    That said it’s not difficult for an ambitious immigrant group to outperform a significant chunk of British natives, frankly a lot of the British underclass are not far off African-tier.

  84. @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    The strict authoritarian Lithuanian measures against coronavirus, remind me of their ultra-Authoritarian dictatorship rules on alcohol sale in Lithuania that I forgot to mention! Very paranoid rules on what areas it can be sold, what and when and on advertising….and they are thinking of making it even stricter.
     
    Those relatively recently (2017-18) introduced Scandinavian style measures are meant to combat and eventually to reduce those high alcohol consumption rates that you also criticised:

    The ten countries with the highest consumption of alcohol (in liters of pure alcohol per capita) are:

    Belarus (14.4 liters)
    Lithuania (12.9 liters)
    Grenada (11.9 liters)
    Czech Republic (11.8 liters)
    France (11.8 liters)
    Russia (11.5 liters)
    Ireland (11.4 liters)
    Luxembourg (11.4 liters)
    Slovakia (11.4 liters)
    Germany (11.3 liters)
     

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/alcohol-consumption-by-country/

    Now about suicide rates from WHO (which seems to be more of RF's friend China puppet than Soros one, lol) data:


    For example in 2020, among the top five are the eastern European country of Lithuania (31.9 suicides per 100k), the eastern European country of Russia (31 suicides per 100k), the south American country of Guyana (29.2 suicides per 100k), and the Asian country of South Korea (26.9 suicides per 100k). A number of other eastern European countries have high suicide rates, including Belarus (26.2 suicides per 100k), Suriname and Kazakhstan, both at around 22 suicides per 100k.
     
    Source:
    World Health Organization (Suicide Rates 2018)

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    As I said, those links are Soros cretin fakes that don’t give the 2020 data. Those are also blatant lies that don’t give WHO data as they claim. Show me on WHO site where they claim this nonsense?

    When Lithuania reached the embarrassing +30 rate mark in suicides a few years ago …… Russia was at 20.1. That is much lower than Latvia and only slightly higher than,Estonia- of which the European part of Russia is much lower than anyway. To be at a rate of suicides +30,Russia would have had to suffer 45000 suicides in a year. I repeat – Russia had either 17k or 19k suicides in 2019. Even if the table was only for male suicides…. Russia does not reach 30+. True figure is 13 or less.

    Scandinavian-style measures…

    Admirable spin…… I think its best to stick with Saudi Arabia than Scandinavia for now. LOL

    250 metres (or is it 200? ) minimum distance from public spaces/entertainment, schools, Universities (!!!) and cultural objects/ premises for shops selling alcohol in Litva? That’s ridiculous.

    Spirits reduced to feminine alcohol percentages at obscene prices….. with brothels (no, I don’t use them) involving people being less discreet upon entering and exit….. than if they enter and exist a shop selling alcohol!

    As for ratings, some list Litva way ahead on 15 litres, Russia drinks less than Austria, France, Ireland, Czech Rep, a few other EU states, is level with Hungary and only slightly ahead of Germany and Portugal. More importantly the bad and sometimes even shocking effects in Russia from alcohol that I have been witness to on the roads, streets, shops, plane, train, work are so much lesser and improved now compared to 5,10 and 15 years ago.

    They never should have illegally removed Paskas

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    Those are also blatant lies that don’t give WHO data as they claim. Show me on WHO site where they claim this nonsense?
     
    All data sets there are downloadable too:

    https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE

  85. @sudden death
    @Dmitry

    So far it seems that worst case script has been indeed avoided, e.g. here in Lithuania rather strict (by Western standards) and still ongoing quarantine with the closure of all education institutions, stores (except pharmacies and food) and public activities has been implemented since March 13 when we had less than 10 known official infected cases and zero deaths at the time.

    Prediction made then was to reach about 6000 infections at the end of April, in fact we now have nearly 1500 infected and 40 deaths, all of fatalities, except two, were over 60 years of age. Last week quarantine measures were softened a little bit as other kind of stores were opened too, but mask wearing in public places is mandatory and people without masks are being fined by the police.

    The most problematic things have been initial lack of testing capabilities&protective gear which caused many intra-hospital cross infections, as quite lot of medical staff and elderly patients with other commorbidities were infected, but so far medical staff deaths have been avoided. Situation with testing also improved really significantly with the establishment of mobile testing points and expansion of testing institutions as at the moment Lithuania is No. 10 worldwide at testing per capita (tests/1M pop), Estonia is No. 12, Latvia No. 24.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Ms Karlin-Gerard, @Dmitry

    Ok you are from Lithuania. My parents visited recently Lithuania for vacations, and they said they loved your country.

    Actually I remember I posted on this forum about the Lithuanian chocolate pizza they sent me, it was good for photos, but a weird flavour mix.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-55/#comment-2525044

    closure of all education institutions, stores (except pharmacies and food) and public activities has been implemented since March 13

    That is a very early lockdown, considering the lack of development of the epidemic then.
    I imagine Baltic states have some advantage of being EU members, in terms of financial insulation – as small countries financially guaranteed by larger ones, and can have a longer selfisolation regime other things equal.

    For example, in more politically and financially isolated small country Israel, they have apparently ended most of the lockdown a week ago already, even as the epidemic is still developing there – they start to become more scared of economic collapse caused through the lockdown, than of the virus.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Dmitry


    That is a very early lockdown, considering the lack of development of the epidemic then.
    I imagine Baltic states have some advantage of being EU members, in terms of financial insulation – as small countries financially guaranteed by larger ones, and can have a longer selfisolation regime other things equal.

    For example, in more politically and financially isolated small country Israel, they have apparently ended most of the lockdown a week ago already, even as the epidemic is still developing there – they start to become more scared of economic collapse caused through the lockdown, than of the virus.
     

    Would say it is more a benefit of getting eurozone membership in 2015, than being EU member per se, as it didn't help us much during 2008 crash, but now our own central bank is technically a local branch of ECB and can buy government issued debt too without worries about sudden spike in rising foreign debt costs, hard currency liquidity crunch and immediate crash of local currency. So being able to participate in "crazy printer go brrr" games (even with some limits ofc) still really helps now as Israel or Sweden (EU member, but no euro) cannot behave so freely without having such kind of problems.

    Another thing, were we got bit lucky imho, is that our current PM is kinda local silovik (former head of police), but actually cancer patient himself with elevated risks - got diagnosed with blood cancer last year and underwent full course of chemo, so being in such personal situation it was psychologically easier for him to be more understanding of that quite unprecedented but possible grave threat and to act earlier, also enforce full involvement of existing security apparatus to that task of real and effective lockdown enforcement.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  86. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death

    As I said, those links are Soros cretin fakes that don't give the 2020 data. Those are also blatant lies that don't give WHO data as they claim. Show me on WHO site where they claim this nonsense?

    When Lithuania reached the embarrassing +30 rate mark in suicides a few years ago ...... Russia was at 20.1. That is much lower than Latvia and only slightly higher than,Estonia- of which the European part of Russia is much lower than anyway. To be at a rate of suicides +30,Russia would have had to suffer 45000 suicides in a year. I repeat - Russia had either 17k or 19k suicides in 2019. Even if the table was only for male suicides.... Russia does not reach 30+. True figure is 13 or less.


    Scandinavian-style measures...
     
    Admirable spin...... I think its best to stick with Saudi Arabia than Scandinavia for now. LOL

    250 metres (or is it 200? ) minimum distance from public spaces/entertainment, schools, Universities (!!!) and cultural objects/ premises for shops selling alcohol in Litva? That's ridiculous.

    Spirits reduced to feminine alcohol percentages at obscene prices..... with brothels (no, I don't use them) involving people being less discreet upon entering and exit..... than if they enter and exist a shop selling alcohol!

    As for ratings, some list Litva way ahead on 15 litres, Russia drinks less than Austria, France, Ireland, Czech Rep, a few other EU states, is level with Hungary and only slightly ahead of Germany and Portugal. More importantly the bad and sometimes even shocking effects in Russia from alcohol that I have been witness to on the roads, streets, shops, plane, train, work are so much lesser and improved now compared to 5,10 and 15 years ago.

    They never should have illegally removed Paskas

    Replies: @sudden death

    Those are also blatant lies that don’t give WHO data as they claim. Show me on WHO site where they claim this nonsense?

    All data sets there are downloadable too:

    https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE

  87. Anatoly, do the waived rules in regards to Kazakhstan apply only to Europeans or also to Muslims?

  88. Citizens of Moldova, Ukraine, Belorussia, and Kazakhstan who have a residency permit in Russia can apply for citizenship without any need to live in Russia for a set period of years.

    Why doesn’t this also apply to citizens of the three Baltic countries? And for that matter, to citizens of Israel?

  89. @RJJCDA
    Worked at Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan in late 90s. Remember a day trip to Leninsk, a Russian city there. Beautiful women. If memory serves, city had about 40,000 population.

    Replies: @Swedish Family

    Worked at Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan in late 90s. Remember a day trip to Leninsk, a Russian city there. Beautiful women. If memory serves, city had about 40,000 population.

    Where Cargo 200 was set (but not filmed, Wikipedia tells me).

    Hidden beauties in monotowns is a cliché, of course, but it’s true. My thoughts turn to Evgeniya Loza, from the town of Antratsit, which is probably as dreary as its name.

    • Replies: @Jatt Arya
    @Swedish Family

    She's a 4/10 stop trying to force us to like white women, homo||

    , @JL
    @Swedish Family


    Where Cargo 200 was set (but not filmed, Wikipedia tells me).
     
    I'm pretty sure Gruz 200 was set in the Leninsk region of Leningradskaya Oblast, not Kazakhstan. Great movie though, for those with that kind of taste. I remember picking it up during my Balabanov phase, not having any idea what it was about, but noting the 21+ age recommendation on the DVD cover, which I had never seen before. It started off as a normal movie, and then...

    Evgeniya Loza - 7.5/10, wb

    Replies: @Swedish Family

  90. @Passer by
    Russia simply capitulated as it finally understood that it can't make russians have children.

    So from now on it will be desperate tricks to get people from somewhere.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Denis, @Anuxicus

    Russia simply capitulated

    I don’t think this is a good idea, but it is far from a capitulation. It is clearly geared towards encouraging immigration from the near abroad, a sensible policy that should be pursued. The primary change I would make is explicitly organizing these sorts of changes around that objective.

  91. @Art Deco
    I don't think this is well-advised. Citizenship should be exclusive or close to it. In Russia's case, that would mean allowing Russophone residents of post-Soviet republics to acquire safe-harbor Russian citizenship and, going forward, conceivably allowing it for Ukrainians and White Russians. For migrants from random loci abroad, naturalization should be limited to people who've had periods of their life where they met each all of a certain set of criteria, periods which would have to sum to a majority of their natural life: palpably present in Russia, lawfully present in Russia, domiciled only in Russia; not incarcerated, on probation, on parole, carrying undischarged fines, carrying undischarged penal service obligations, under civil commitment, or under a guardianship order. If you do meet such criteria, you'd need to pass a civics examination (given in Russian) and a Russian proficiency test. At that point you could take an oath of citizenship conjoined to executing a statement renouncing your previous citizenship (to be sent to the nearest consulate of said country).

    Replies: @Denis

    In Russia’s case, that would mean allowing Russophone residents of post-Soviet republics to acquire safe-harbor Russian citizenship and, going forward, conceivably allowing it for Ukrainians and White Russians.

    They should simply open the borders for White and Little Russians and be done with it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Denis

    I'm not aware of anybody that still uses such old nomenclature to refer to the Ukrainian people? I thought that you were a little bit more cognizant of these things, yet I see that you...?

  92. @Denis
    @Art Deco


    In Russia’s case, that would mean allowing Russophone residents of post-Soviet republics to acquire safe-harbor Russian citizenship and, going forward, conceivably allowing it for Ukrainians and White Russians.
     
    They should simply open the borders for White and Little Russians and be done with it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m not aware of anybody that still uses such old nomenclature to refer to the Ukrainian people? I thought that you were a little bit more cognizant of these things, yet I see that you…?

  93. @Vishnugupta
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Well Tamil Brahmins are known to be superb mathematicians (S Ramanujan was a Tamil Brahmin as are 2 Nobel laureates in Physics Chandrashekhar( NASA chandra x ray telescope is named after him) and CV Raman.

    Amartaya Sen's Economics Nobel prize has more to do with his wife's surname(Rothschilds) than any path breaking insights.

    Sen btw are a non Brahmin high iq upper caste group known as Kayasthas(Scribes) which includes Bose (SN Bose famous for Bose Einstein statistics,Boson is named after him and JC Bose who independently invented the wireless)

    Tagore was a genuine literary great.The best India has produced in the past 150 years.

    Bengal had a 100 year lead over the rest of the country as the British first introduced modern higher education there, since independence Bengal has been a modest performer.

    The nobel prize for peace is a zero credibility fraud includes people like Yasser Arafat and Obama

    Yes Hargobind Khurana is a Khatri a caste more known for their outsize presence in the armed forces and relatively good looking women than any intellectual achievements, still okayish average upper caste performance in academics.

    Overall Brahmins,Kayasths and Vaishyas are considered the relatively brainy within upper caste Hindus which now function as a dominant group with lots of inter caste marriages within upper caste Hindu groups among each other and with Jains and Zoroastrians who are considered honorary upper castes in India..

    Replies: @Just Passing Through, @Jatt Arya

    1. You’re gay.
    2. You’d like this interview: good insight into generation around 47. https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/04/19/interview-with-a-mujahid-maj-gen-tajammal-hussain-malik/

    3. You’re gay, grow some hair.

    4. You’re gay inter-caste is banned, beef eaters are not human.


    https://www.instagram.com/p/B70BnjRF54p/

    5. You’re gay, what’s the point of being High-IQ if you use it to advance cucking?
    Marriage
    “Marry a girl from your own caste. [28]”

    https://www.allaboutsikhs.com/sikh-rehat-maryada/desa-singh-rahit-nama-2

    vs

    By overthrowing the barriers between inimical families and races, ruinous internecine warfare was diminished and greater peace and harmony secured

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm

    All these Goras who oppose black lund in thier white daughter’s phuddi||

    Should fine a dif. religion.

  94. @Swedish Family
    @RJJCDA


    Worked at Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan in late 90s. Remember a day trip to Leninsk, a Russian city there. Beautiful women. If memory serves, city had about 40,000 population.
     
    Where Cargo 200 was set (but not filmed, Wikipedia tells me).

    Hidden beauties in monotowns is a cliché, of course, but it's true. My thoughts turn to Evgeniya Loza, from the town of Antratsit, which is probably as dreary as its name.

    https://screenfiction.org/content/image/0/31/87/a2e35575-full.jpeg

    Replies: @Jatt Arya, @JL

    She’s a 4/10 stop trying to force us to like white women, homo||

  95. JL says:
    @Swedish Family
    @RJJCDA


    Worked at Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan in late 90s. Remember a day trip to Leninsk, a Russian city there. Beautiful women. If memory serves, city had about 40,000 population.
     
    Where Cargo 200 was set (but not filmed, Wikipedia tells me).

    Hidden beauties in monotowns is a cliché, of course, but it's true. My thoughts turn to Evgeniya Loza, from the town of Antratsit, which is probably as dreary as its name.

    https://screenfiction.org/content/image/0/31/87/a2e35575-full.jpeg

    Replies: @Jatt Arya, @JL

    Where Cargo 200 was set (but not filmed, Wikipedia tells me).

    I’m pretty sure Gruz 200 was set in the Leninsk region of Leningradskaya Oblast, not Kazakhstan. Great movie though, for those with that kind of taste. I remember picking it up during my Balabanov phase, not having any idea what it was about, but noting the 21+ age recommendation on the DVD cover, which I had never seen before. It started off as a normal movie, and then…

    Evgeniya Loza – 7.5/10, wb

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
    @JL


    I’m pretty sure Gruz 200 was set in the Leninsk region of Leningradskaya Oblast, not Kazakhstan.
     
    That does make more sense. I should have guessed there was more than one town with that name. :)

    Great movie though, for those with that kind of taste. I remember picking it up during my Balabanov phase, not having any idea what it was about, but noting the 21+ age recommendation on the DVD cover, which I had never seen before. It started off as a normal movie, and then…
     
    Yes, not one I would like to watch again. Same with Dead Man's Bluff, where the ending is meant to be funny, I think, but to me is just half an hour of disgusting torture.

    Replies: @AP, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

  96. OT, but an interesting alternate history is that without the 1965 immigration act, Blacks would make up 20 percent of Americans today, without all those post 1965 Latin and Asian immigration, with Whites making up slightly less than 80 percent, and Los Angeles would probably end up with a Black majority without the Latinos driving them out in the 90s, how would a proportionally larger low functional Black underclass affect the US in this scenario, would probably make the US a lot less functional than it is now, unless you could get rid of all the Black people too? Key assumption is that nonwhite immigration pretty much does not exist due to no 1965 immigration act, but this has no effect on White fertility and you do not get increased white immigration from Europe to make up for it.

    • Replies: @Jatt Arya
    @128

    It'd be more than 20 tbh, more like 25 and possibly 35+ in the under 35 group.

    I like to point this out to NatSOCS who believe in the 13% meme.

    Another point is that abortion would likely have been over turned without the increased presence of left-voting immigrants.

    A pact with E EU to get more Slavic Immigrants that instead wen tto UK/Ger might be possible.

    Slavs tend to vote more democrat though..

    , @ariel
    @128

    without the post 1965 immigration, blacks would have been 15 % of the american population .you have to take into account that about 20% of blacks in the US are immigrants or children of immigrants.

    , @ariel
    @128

    https://www.citylab.com/life/2015/09/how-the-1965-immigration-act-shaped-americas-population/407626/

    Replies: @128

    , @Denis
    @128

    It's been a while since I looked this up, but a large portion of America's current black population are themselves, immigrants or the descendants of immigrants who arrived over the past century.

    , @EldnahYm
    @128

    Black immigrants and their descendants are likely the main reason Black fertility isn't lower than the White rate in the U.S. today. Liberals and their love of abortion on demand and hedonistic lifestyles have done a good job of reducing the Black population.

    It is unlikely that native White fertility was unaffected by increasing immigration. Affordable family formation is weakened by mass immigration.

    Dysfunction of heavily Black cities does not tend to harm Whites much. The question is how this dysfunction impacts black fertility in the U.S. This is an area worthy of research.

    It is possible to imagine a scenario where the 1965 immigration act occurred, as well as Ronald Reagan's even worse policies, but without any Black immigrants. In that scenario you might indeed have had a massive decline of the Black population percentage relative to what actually occurred.

  97. @128
    OT, but an interesting alternate history is that without the 1965 immigration act, Blacks would make up 20 percent of Americans today, without all those post 1965 Latin and Asian immigration, with Whites making up slightly less than 80 percent, and Los Angeles would probably end up with a Black majority without the Latinos driving them out in the 90s, how would a proportionally larger low functional Black underclass affect the US in this scenario, would probably make the US a lot less functional than it is now, unless you could get rid of all the Black people too? Key assumption is that nonwhite immigration pretty much does not exist due to no 1965 immigration act, but this has no effect on White fertility and you do not get increased white immigration from Europe to make up for it.

    Replies: @Jatt Arya, @ariel, @ariel, @Denis, @EldnahYm

    It’d be more than 20 tbh, more like 25 and possibly 35+ in the under 35 group.

    I like to point this out to NatSOCS who believe in the 13% meme.

    Another point is that abortion would likely have been over turned without the increased presence of left-voting immigrants.

    A pact with E EU to get more Slavic Immigrants that instead wen tto UK/Ger might be possible.

    Slavs tend to vote more democrat though..

  98. @128
    OT, but an interesting alternate history is that without the 1965 immigration act, Blacks would make up 20 percent of Americans today, without all those post 1965 Latin and Asian immigration, with Whites making up slightly less than 80 percent, and Los Angeles would probably end up with a Black majority without the Latinos driving them out in the 90s, how would a proportionally larger low functional Black underclass affect the US in this scenario, would probably make the US a lot less functional than it is now, unless you could get rid of all the Black people too? Key assumption is that nonwhite immigration pretty much does not exist due to no 1965 immigration act, but this has no effect on White fertility and you do not get increased white immigration from Europe to make up for it.

    Replies: @Jatt Arya, @ariel, @ariel, @Denis, @EldnahYm

    without the post 1965 immigration, blacks would have been 15 % of the american population .you have to take into account that about 20% of blacks in the US are immigrants or children of immigrants.

  99. @128
    OT, but an interesting alternate history is that without the 1965 immigration act, Blacks would make up 20 percent of Americans today, without all those post 1965 Latin and Asian immigration, with Whites making up slightly less than 80 percent, and Los Angeles would probably end up with a Black majority without the Latinos driving them out in the 90s, how would a proportionally larger low functional Black underclass affect the US in this scenario, would probably make the US a lot less functional than it is now, unless you could get rid of all the Black people too? Key assumption is that nonwhite immigration pretty much does not exist due to no 1965 immigration act, but this has no effect on White fertility and you do not get increased white immigration from Europe to make up for it.

    Replies: @Jatt Arya, @ariel, @ariel, @Denis, @EldnahYm

    • Replies: @128
    @ariel

    Would it really be so bad for the US to implement a North Western European style cradle to grave welfare system, I know many people here keep talking about dysfunctional minorities, but I do not think US minorities are more dysfunctional than Swedish or French minorities, basically if the US were to implement a German style social welfare net I do not think it will be worse off, than say, Austria or Sweden is right now.

  100. @Dmitry
    @sudden death

    Ok you are from Lithuania. My parents visited recently Lithuania for vacations, and they said they loved your country.

    Actually I remember I posted on this forum about the Lithuanian chocolate pizza they sent me, it was good for photos, but a weird flavour mix.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-55/#comment-2525044


    closure of all education institutions, stores (except pharmacies and food) and public activities has been implemented since March 13
     
    That is a very early lockdown, considering the lack of development of the epidemic then.
    I imagine Baltic states have some advantage of being EU members, in terms of financial insulation - as small countries financially guaranteed by larger ones, and can have a longer selfisolation regime other things equal.

    For example, in more politically and financially isolated small country Israel, they have apparently ended most of the lockdown a week ago already, even as the epidemic is still developing there - they start to become more scared of economic collapse caused through the lockdown, than of the virus.

    Replies: @sudden death

    That is a very early lockdown, considering the lack of development of the epidemic then.
    I imagine Baltic states have some advantage of being EU members, in terms of financial insulation – as small countries financially guaranteed by larger ones, and can have a longer selfisolation regime other things equal.

    For example, in more politically and financially isolated small country Israel, they have apparently ended most of the lockdown a week ago already, even as the epidemic is still developing there – they start to become more scared of economic collapse caused through the lockdown, than of the virus.

    Would say it is more a benefit of getting eurozone membership in 2015, than being EU member per se, as it didn’t help us much during 2008 crash, but now our own central bank is technically a local branch of ECB and can buy government issued debt too without worries about sudden spike in rising foreign debt costs, hard currency liquidity crunch and immediate crash of local currency. So being able to participate in “crazy printer go brrr” games (even with some limits ofc) still really helps now as Israel or Sweden (EU member, but no euro) cannot behave so freely without having such kind of problems.

    Another thing, were we got bit lucky imho, is that our current PM is kinda local silovik (former head of police), but actually cancer patient himself with elevated risks – got diagnosed with blood cancer last year and underwent full course of chemo, so being in such personal situation it was psychologically easier for him to be more understanding of that quite unprecedented but possible grave threat and to act earlier, also enforce full involvement of existing security apparatus to that task of real and effective lockdown enforcement.

    • Thanks: Dmitry
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @sudden death

    Eurozone is a good idea for such small countries.

    While in Russia, there is an advantage of having a rich government, or financially stable government.


    -

    Now there will be 6 weeks of the lockdown, so in Russia there is going to be more weeks of lockdown than in most of the world.

    On the other hand, much of the regions' lockdown is a result of idiocy of not quarantining of Moscow, and until late March Rospotrebnadzor sends infected people met at the airport to their home cities. Therefore now many cities are lockdown because there are e.g. perhaps 5 returning infected tourists from Europe who were sent by the agency to their home city some days earlier.

    -

    The selfisolation regime seems to be effectively slowing the growth of the pandemic. Here there is the appearance of "plateau" in new infections in Moscow already. I guess they will expect a decline in daily infection numbers by 12 May, before re-opening.

    Here are daily new infections:
    https://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2020/04/e330d643abedff3980195e05f6b616bd.png

    https://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2020/04/aab768d84efab7ae0a45e178bdd66865.png

    Replies: @Dmitry

  101. @JL
    @Swedish Family


    Where Cargo 200 was set (but not filmed, Wikipedia tells me).
     
    I'm pretty sure Gruz 200 was set in the Leninsk region of Leningradskaya Oblast, not Kazakhstan. Great movie though, for those with that kind of taste. I remember picking it up during my Balabanov phase, not having any idea what it was about, but noting the 21+ age recommendation on the DVD cover, which I had never seen before. It started off as a normal movie, and then...

    Evgeniya Loza - 7.5/10, wb

    Replies: @Swedish Family

    I’m pretty sure Gruz 200 was set in the Leninsk region of Leningradskaya Oblast, not Kazakhstan.

    That does make more sense. I should have guessed there was more than one town with that name. 🙂

    Great movie though, for those with that kind of taste. I remember picking it up during my Balabanov phase, not having any idea what it was about, but noting the 21+ age recommendation on the DVD cover, which I had never seen before. It started off as a normal movie, and then…

    Yes, not one I would like to watch again. Same with Dead Man’s Bluff, where the ending is meant to be funny, I think, but to me is just half an hour of disgusting torture.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Swedish Family

    ..Sadly, Жмурки was rather realistic.

    Swedish family, how do you think Scandinavia will be in August? I moved my road trip from June to August but may reschedule for next summer.

    Replies: @JL, @Swedish Family

    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @Swedish Family

    Just a reminder that the current President of Ukraine has several of the films he has starred in banned..... in Ukraine!!!

    Obviously this is because they are Russian films and in some of them he us playing a character with a very humble job, working very near the Kremlin

  102. US ambassador to Russia is testing the limits of Russian hospitality.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  103. @Swedish Family
    @JL


    I’m pretty sure Gruz 200 was set in the Leninsk region of Leningradskaya Oblast, not Kazakhstan.
     
    That does make more sense. I should have guessed there was more than one town with that name. :)

    Great movie though, for those with that kind of taste. I remember picking it up during my Balabanov phase, not having any idea what it was about, but noting the 21+ age recommendation on the DVD cover, which I had never seen before. It started off as a normal movie, and then…
     
    Yes, not one I would like to watch again. Same with Dead Man's Bluff, where the ending is meant to be funny, I think, but to me is just half an hour of disgusting torture.

    Replies: @AP, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    ..Sadly, Жмурки was rather realistic.

    Swedish family, how do you think Scandinavia will be in August? I moved my road trip from June to August but may reschedule for next summer.

    • Replies: @JL
    @AP


    Жмурки was rather realistic.
     
    It wasn't realistic at all, it was highly exaggerated to make a point.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Swedish Family
    @AP


    Swedish family, how do you think Scandinavia will be in August? I moved my road trip from June to August but may reschedule for next summer.
     
    For Sweden, it turns on how quickly the virus drops to acceptable levels once we reach herd immunity (about June 1st). I haven't seen any official forecasts, but I expect most of the present measures to stay in place at least through June (e.g. no crowd can be bigger than fifty people), some relaxation in July, and a return to normal in August.

    Norway is trickier to call since they have gone for a full-blown lockdown and must now be a bit more careful in opening up their society.

    We should have a far better idea by the end of May, so if you can wait with the decision until then, I would do that.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

  104. @AP
    @Swedish Family

    ..Sadly, Жмурки was rather realistic.

    Swedish family, how do you think Scandinavia will be in August? I moved my road trip from June to August but may reschedule for next summer.

    Replies: @JL, @Swedish Family

    Жмурки was rather realistic.

    It wasn’t realistic at all, it was highly exaggerated to make a point.

    • Replies: @AP
    @JL

    It was an exaggeration but not that extreme of one. Russia in the 90s had nearly the homicide rate of South Africa. I know a guy from southeastern Ukraine whose father was beaten to death with a hammer for $250 in the 90s. But many of Russia’s astronomical killings in those days were “business”-related (it was that, or substance-fueled).

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  105. I find a lot on the right to be intellectually dishonest when discussing immigration. For example, it is a mystery to me why the immigrants riot so frequently in France (seemingly every other week) yet almost never in Britain despite the fact both countries have large Muslim and black populations.

    I’ve asked this question multiple times on different outlets and have never got a straight answer from right wingers. Their mantra is that the immigrants behave exactly the same in all Western countries, and the fact that they clearly don’t in some cases is an inconvenient truth for their doctrine.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Europe Europa

    Isn't it because Pakistanis are less prone to rioting than Maghrebians and blacks?

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    , @another anon
    @Europe Europa


    I find a lot on the right to be intellectually dishonest when discussing immigration. For example, it is a mystery to me why the immigrants riot so frequently in France (seemingly every other week) yet almost never in Britain despite the fact both countries have large Muslim and black populations.
     
    Because the immigrants are well integrated into French culture.

    Native French were always protesting, rioting and rebeling all the time

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution_(disambiguation)

    while in Britain, serious riots and revolts went out of fashion back in the 19th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Rising

    You shall praise the immigrants for their excellent assimilation.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Europe Europa

    I think you exaggerate the difference in frequency of rioting. I think there have been two serious non-white riots in Britain in the last 20 years. In France probably four or five.

    Many reasons suggest themselves:
    -Assimilation to French culture (native French people riot much more)
    -French immigrants are concentrated in suburbs not inner cities
    -Blacks are more dispersed in Britain than France (riots were more frequent even with a low black population when they were more concentrated)

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  106. @ariel
    @128

    https://www.citylab.com/life/2015/09/how-the-1965-immigration-act-shaped-americas-population/407626/

    Replies: @128

    Would it really be so bad for the US to implement a North Western European style cradle to grave welfare system, I know many people here keep talking about dysfunctional minorities, but I do not think US minorities are more dysfunctional than Swedish or French minorities, basically if the US were to implement a German style social welfare net I do not think it will be worse off, than say, Austria or Sweden is right now.

  107. @sudden death
    @Rattus Norwegius

    Really don't know if any studies about the exact numbers were done in this regard, but one can easily find not so rare stories about various more or less serious misdeeds of "Lithuanians" abroad with specific non Baltic ethnic names or surnames. To be fair, it is not more rare to find such stories about truly ethnic Lithuanians too:


    A lorry driver used his mobile phone, tail-gated and undertook other motorists, cut across lanes, drove in the fast lane and broke the speed limit on a danger-filled six and a half hour motorway drive.

    At one point, HGV driver Dmitrijus Jakimcovas spent 38 minutes on his mobile phone during a prolonged spell of dangerous driving on the M1 between junction 2, on the outskirts of London, to junction 22 at Markfield.

    Prosecutor Priya Bakshi told the court how the 30-year-old Lithuanian was reported by other people in vehicles on the M1.

    Mr Lassey said Jakimcovas had come to the UK in 2008 and had been an agency driver for five years.

    On December 2018 he was convicted at the same court of using a fraudulent registration document and no insurance.

    He was banned from driving for six months.

    Judge Timothy Spencer QC said: “All in all, this is one of the worst instances of dangerous driving I have ever had the misfortune to watch and this took place over more than six hours.

    “It is only by sheer luck that no actual damage and no actual injury was caused.

    “You stand before me in this court because you elected trial in the magistrates’ court and they found against you.

    "How on earth you thought you could defend a charge of dangerous driving beggars belief.

    “You showed scant regard for the obligations of driving on the road and for the safety of other road users.

    “You were driving this lorry, 44 tonnes of it.

    "There is particular obligation when driving such a vehicle to observe the rules of the road, to pay respect to other road users and not to put others road users in danger.

    “You flaunted that time and time again.

    Today I have to give you a sentence of immediate custody. If I did not, I would be failing in my duty in light of the very serious nature of this offence.

    The judge sent Jakimcovas to jail for 14 months
     

    https://www.itv.com/news/central/2019-08-05/lorry-driver-jailed-after-danger-filled-six-and-a-half-hour-motorway-drive-markfield/

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    To find crimes of “Lithuanians” abroad with specific non-Baltics surnames

    LOL….. you have just made up that garbage on the spot. Probably out of insecurity because of the failures of your people. It is a complete lie.

    I am sure that Internet search or anecdotal evidence from people in the UK show a huge number of violent robbery, burglary, human trafficking, drug dealing, domestic violence, random violence and drink driving leading to death by ETHNIC Lithuanians and Poles. They have by far the highest per capita foreign ethnicity in UK jails LOL.

    That you have had to go through a deluge of those awful stories on the internet… to get to one Russian Lithuanian drink driving without ANY INJURY even being the result–is immensely amusing and indicative of the cynical game you are playing! It is of course overwhelmingly ethnic balts in the UK doing this- for Latvians there in uk it is way in excess of 75/25 ethnic split in Latvia

    Dmitrijus Jakimcovas

    LOL… Which leads me nicely into my next point. What type of dirtbag, nothing country does this pitiful and evil act of Lithuanianising/balticising a slavic name? Why are they always allowed to get away with this most clear human rights violation?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    That you have had to go through a deluge of those awful stories on the internet… to get to one Russian Lithuanian drink driving without ANY INJURY even being the result–is immensely amusing and indicative of the cynical game you are playing! It is of course overwhelmingly ethnic balts in the UK doing this- for Latvians there in uk it is way in excess of 75/25 ethnic split in Latvia
     
    haha, it is realy amusing to see you get so easily riled for posting even rather mild offense abroad featuring some Slavic emigree chav as if it was very hard to find more serious ones, lol.

    Here's another one just for your pleasure, featuring white trash international "friendship of the nations":


    The Lithuanian trio were convicted of killing 20-year-old Joele Leotta while behaving "like a pack of animals" at his bedsit over Vesuvius restaurant, where he worked in Lower Stone Street.

    Aleksandras Zuravliovas, 26, of Beaumont Road; Saulius Tamoliunas, 24, of Union Street; and 21-year-old Linas Zidonis, of no fixed address, were convicted of murdering Mr Leotta and wounding his best friend Alex Galbiati, 20, with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

    Lawyers for the three convicted men submitted the starting point for the life sentences to be imposed was 15 years.

    Ryan Richter, prosecuting, said Zuravliovas was jailed for 10 months in Lithuania in September 2005 for robbery. While under the influence of alcohol, he acted as a lookout as a mobile phone was stolen.

    Zuravliovas also had convictions in his country for theft using the threat of weapons, public disorder, having a gas pistol in a public place and breaches of orders.

    Mr Richter said Tamoliunas had no convictions in the UK or Lithuania and Zidonis had one driving conviction in the UK and none in Lithuania.
     

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/_media/img/750x0/7QO2XD4Q7JS5CHGHQVKH.jpg

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/joele-leotta-murder-trial-verdict-19545/

    As been said before, emigration and depopulation from such fine white scum of any nationality is the blessing, but not some loss anyhow.

    Replies: @AP, @china-russia-all-the-way

    , @Matra
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Lithuanians make up the largest per capita foreign nationality in Republic of Ireland jails. In Northern Ireland jails they are the single largest foreign nationality outright, not even per capita. Latvians are also overrepresented in the Irish prison system. From what I can tell the overwhelming majority are ethnically Lithuanian and Latvian.

    In 2016 it was reported that within the EU Lithuanians have the highest percentage of their expat population in jail. EU Observer

  108. @Swedish Family
    @JL


    I’m pretty sure Gruz 200 was set in the Leninsk region of Leningradskaya Oblast, not Kazakhstan.
     
    That does make more sense. I should have guessed there was more than one town with that name. :)

    Great movie though, for those with that kind of taste. I remember picking it up during my Balabanov phase, not having any idea what it was about, but noting the 21+ age recommendation on the DVD cover, which I had never seen before. It started off as a normal movie, and then…
     
    Yes, not one I would like to watch again. Same with Dead Man's Bluff, where the ending is meant to be funny, I think, but to me is just half an hour of disgusting torture.

    Replies: @AP, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Just a reminder that the current President of Ukraine has several of the films he has starred in banned….. in Ukraine!!!

    Obviously this is because they are Russian films and in some of them he us playing a character with a very humble job, working very near the Kremlin

  109. @JL
    @AP


    Жмурки was rather realistic.
     
    It wasn't realistic at all, it was highly exaggerated to make a point.

    Replies: @AP

    It was an exaggeration but not that extreme of one. Russia in the 90s had nearly the homicide rate of South Africa. I know a guy from southeastern Ukraine whose father was beaten to death with a hammer for $250 in the 90s. But many of Russia’s astronomical killings in those days were “business”-related (it was that, or substance-fueled).

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @AP

    Many of the black on white murders in South Africa are arguably "business related", ie black employees/former employees bearing a grudge against their white employer. Not that many are completely random.

  110. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death


    To find crimes of "Lithuanians" abroad with specific non-Baltics surnames
     
    LOL..... you have just made up that garbage on the spot. Probably out of insecurity because of the failures of your people. It is a complete lie.

    I am sure that Internet search or anecdotal evidence from people in the UK show a huge number of violent robbery, burglary, human trafficking, drug dealing, domestic violence, random violence and drink driving leading to death by ETHNIC Lithuanians and Poles. They have by far the highest per capita foreign ethnicity in UK jails LOL.

    That you have had to go through a deluge of those awful stories on the internet... to get to one Russian Lithuanian drink driving without ANY INJURY even being the result--is immensely amusing and indicative of the cynical game you are playing! It is of course overwhelmingly ethnic balts in the UK doing this- for Latvians there in uk it is way in excess of 75/25 ethnic split in Latvia


    Dmitrijus Jakimcovas
     
    LOL... Which leads me nicely into my next point. What type of dirtbag, nothing country does this pitiful and evil act of Lithuanianising/balticising a slavic name? Why are they always allowed to get away with this most clear human rights violation?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Matra

    That you have had to go through a deluge of those awful stories on the internet… to get to one Russian Lithuanian drink driving without ANY INJURY even being the result–is immensely amusing and indicative of the cynical game you are playing! It is of course overwhelmingly ethnic balts in the UK doing this- for Latvians there in uk it is way in excess of 75/25 ethnic split in Latvia

    haha, it is realy amusing to see you get so easily riled for posting even rather mild offense abroad featuring some Slavic emigree chav as if it was very hard to find more serious ones, lol.

    Here’s another one just for your pleasure, featuring white trash international “friendship of the nations”:

    The Lithuanian trio were convicted of killing 20-year-old Joele Leotta while behaving “like a pack of animals” at his bedsit over Vesuvius restaurant, where he worked in Lower Stone Street.

    Aleksandras Zuravliovas, 26, of Beaumont Road; Saulius Tamoliunas, 24, of Union Street; and 21-year-old Linas Zidonis, of no fixed address, were convicted of murdering Mr Leotta and wounding his best friend Alex Galbiati, 20, with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

    Lawyers for the three convicted men submitted the starting point for the life sentences to be imposed was 15 years.

    Ryan Richter, prosecuting, said Zuravliovas was jailed for 10 months in Lithuania in September 2005 for robbery. While under the influence of alcohol, he acted as a lookout as a mobile phone was stolen.

    Zuravliovas also had convictions in his country for theft using the threat of weapons, public disorder, having a gas pistol in a public place and breaches of orders.

    Mr Richter said Tamoliunas had no convictions in the UK or Lithuania and Zidonis had one driving conviction in the UK and none in Lithuania.


    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/joele-leotta-murder-trial-verdict-19545/

    As been said before, emigration and depopulation from such fine white scum of any nationality is the blessing, but not some loss anyhow.

    • Replies: @AP
    @sudden death

    This is only N = 3, but 1/3 of the "Lithuanians" here is a non-Lithuanian Sovok. Are such similarly over-represented among "Lithuanian" criminals in England (or in Lithuania itself) or is this a fluke?

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death

    Why are there so many Lithuanians in UK prisons?

    https://imgur.com/a/91zZ3VT

    There are way more Polish people in the UK yet only 700 Poles versus 400 Lithuanians in UK prisons. Does Lithuania have a more violence prone culture compared to neighbors?

    Replies: @sudden death

  111. @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    That you have had to go through a deluge of those awful stories on the internet… to get to one Russian Lithuanian drink driving without ANY INJURY even being the result–is immensely amusing and indicative of the cynical game you are playing! It is of course overwhelmingly ethnic balts in the UK doing this- for Latvians there in uk it is way in excess of 75/25 ethnic split in Latvia
     
    haha, it is realy amusing to see you get so easily riled for posting even rather mild offense abroad featuring some Slavic emigree chav as if it was very hard to find more serious ones, lol.

    Here's another one just for your pleasure, featuring white trash international "friendship of the nations":


    The Lithuanian trio were convicted of killing 20-year-old Joele Leotta while behaving "like a pack of animals" at his bedsit over Vesuvius restaurant, where he worked in Lower Stone Street.

    Aleksandras Zuravliovas, 26, of Beaumont Road; Saulius Tamoliunas, 24, of Union Street; and 21-year-old Linas Zidonis, of no fixed address, were convicted of murdering Mr Leotta and wounding his best friend Alex Galbiati, 20, with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

    Lawyers for the three convicted men submitted the starting point for the life sentences to be imposed was 15 years.

    Ryan Richter, prosecuting, said Zuravliovas was jailed for 10 months in Lithuania in September 2005 for robbery. While under the influence of alcohol, he acted as a lookout as a mobile phone was stolen.

    Zuravliovas also had convictions in his country for theft using the threat of weapons, public disorder, having a gas pistol in a public place and breaches of orders.

    Mr Richter said Tamoliunas had no convictions in the UK or Lithuania and Zidonis had one driving conviction in the UK and none in Lithuania.
     

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/_media/img/750x0/7QO2XD4Q7JS5CHGHQVKH.jpg

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/joele-leotta-murder-trial-verdict-19545/

    As been said before, emigration and depopulation from such fine white scum of any nationality is the blessing, but not some loss anyhow.

    Replies: @AP, @china-russia-all-the-way

    This is only N = 3, but 1/3 of the “Lithuanians” here is a non-Lithuanian Sovok. Are such similarly over-represented among “Lithuanian” criminals in England (or in Lithuania itself) or is this a fluke?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AP

    Really very hard to say, without any studies regarding this specific question, one possible way to get some clearer numbers would be getting those lists of UK prisoners, but for sure it is absolutely not some kind of rarity or freak occurence to become a "Lithuanian" criminal while being non ethnic Lithuanian.

  112. @Passer by
    Russia simply capitulated as it finally understood that it can't make russians have children.

    So from now on it will be desperate tricks to get people from somewhere.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Denis, @Anuxicus

    Russia had a replacement fertility as recently as 1988 – So clearly ethnic Russians were replacing themselves recently as 32 years ago. You can’t fix this with money alone though, you need to change the culture.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Anuxicus

    It's interesting how people blame Communism for the problems of Eastern Europe, yet below replacement fertility rates seem to be a post-Communist phenomena.

    Replies: @Anuxicus

    , @Passer by
    @Anuxicus


    Russia had a replacement fertility as recently as 1988
     
    The Soviet Union. Not "Russia". A very different entity where 50 % of the population was not russian.

    Even during communist times russians were not at replacement rate as 50 % of the population of the Soviet Union was not russian.

    Central Asia had very high birth rate back then. Nearly 4 vs 2 for the Soviet Union overall, which means negative birth rate for russians in the Soviet Union.

    Replies: @Anuxicus

  113. @AP
    @JL

    It was an exaggeration but not that extreme of one. Russia in the 90s had nearly the homicide rate of South Africa. I know a guy from southeastern Ukraine whose father was beaten to death with a hammer for $250 in the 90s. But many of Russia’s astronomical killings in those days were “business”-related (it was that, or substance-fueled).

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    Many of the black on white murders in South Africa are arguably “business related”, ie black employees/former employees bearing a grudge against their white employer. Not that many are completely random.

  114. @Anuxicus
    @Passer by

    Russia had a replacement fertility as recently as 1988 - So clearly ethnic Russians were replacing themselves recently as 32 years ago. You can't fix this with money alone though, you need to change the culture.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Passer by

    It’s interesting how people blame Communism for the problems of Eastern Europe, yet below replacement fertility rates seem to be a post-Communist phenomena.

    • Replies: @Anuxicus
    @Europe Europa

    The fertility rate actually was below replacement levels during the 1960's and 1970's, with the fertility of the RSFSR in 1979 measuring at 1.89 births per woman, but it went back to replacement levels during peretroika. So what was different in Russia in 1987/1988 compared to today?

  115. @Europe Europa
    I find a lot on the right to be intellectually dishonest when discussing immigration. For example, it is a mystery to me why the immigrants riot so frequently in France (seemingly every other week) yet almost never in Britain despite the fact both countries have large Muslim and black populations.

    I've asked this question multiple times on different outlets and have never got a straight answer from right wingers. Their mantra is that the immigrants behave exactly the same in all Western countries, and the fact that they clearly don't in some cases is an inconvenient truth for their doctrine.

    Replies: @fnn, @another anon, @Kent Nationalist

    Isn’t it because Pakistanis are less prone to rioting than Maghrebians and blacks?

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @fnn

    Possibly, although London is far more black than Pakistani yet rioting there is not particularly common, the last major black riot in London happened in 2011.

    Maybe the British police are surprisingly more competent at keeping things under control than the French police are?

  116. @fnn
    @Europe Europa

    Isn't it because Pakistanis are less prone to rioting than Maghrebians and blacks?

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    Possibly, although London is far more black than Pakistani yet rioting there is not particularly common, the last major black riot in London happened in 2011.

    Maybe the British police are surprisingly more competent at keeping things under control than the French police are?

  117. @Europe Europa
    I find a lot on the right to be intellectually dishonest when discussing immigration. For example, it is a mystery to me why the immigrants riot so frequently in France (seemingly every other week) yet almost never in Britain despite the fact both countries have large Muslim and black populations.

    I've asked this question multiple times on different outlets and have never got a straight answer from right wingers. Their mantra is that the immigrants behave exactly the same in all Western countries, and the fact that they clearly don't in some cases is an inconvenient truth for their doctrine.

    Replies: @fnn, @another anon, @Kent Nationalist

    I find a lot on the right to be intellectually dishonest when discussing immigration. For example, it is a mystery to me why the immigrants riot so frequently in France (seemingly every other week) yet almost never in Britain despite the fact both countries have large Muslim and black populations.

    Because the immigrants are well integrated into French culture.

    Native French were always protesting, rioting and rebeling all the time

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution_(disambiguation)

    while in Britain, serious riots and revolts went out of fashion back in the 19th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Rising

    You shall praise the immigrants for their excellent assimilation.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @another anon

    I agree that is the most likely reason, but the reason I think many on the right are intellectually dishonest is because they would deny that the immigrants are following cultural trends set by the native population, such as native French people rioting much more frequently than native British.

  118. @sudden death
    @Dmitry


    That is a very early lockdown, considering the lack of development of the epidemic then.
    I imagine Baltic states have some advantage of being EU members, in terms of financial insulation – as small countries financially guaranteed by larger ones, and can have a longer selfisolation regime other things equal.

    For example, in more politically and financially isolated small country Israel, they have apparently ended most of the lockdown a week ago already, even as the epidemic is still developing there – they start to become more scared of economic collapse caused through the lockdown, than of the virus.
     

    Would say it is more a benefit of getting eurozone membership in 2015, than being EU member per se, as it didn't help us much during 2008 crash, but now our own central bank is technically a local branch of ECB and can buy government issued debt too without worries about sudden spike in rising foreign debt costs, hard currency liquidity crunch and immediate crash of local currency. So being able to participate in "crazy printer go brrr" games (even with some limits ofc) still really helps now as Israel or Sweden (EU member, but no euro) cannot behave so freely without having such kind of problems.

    Another thing, were we got bit lucky imho, is that our current PM is kinda local silovik (former head of police), but actually cancer patient himself with elevated risks - got diagnosed with blood cancer last year and underwent full course of chemo, so being in such personal situation it was psychologically easier for him to be more understanding of that quite unprecedented but possible grave threat and to act earlier, also enforce full involvement of existing security apparatus to that task of real and effective lockdown enforcement.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Eurozone is a good idea for such small countries.

    While in Russia, there is an advantage of having a rich government, or financially stable government.

    Now there will be 6 weeks of the lockdown, so in Russia there is going to be more weeks of lockdown than in most of the world.

    On the other hand, much of the regions’ lockdown is a result of idiocy of not quarantining of Moscow, and until late March Rospotrebnadzor sends infected people met at the airport to their home cities. Therefore now many cities are lockdown because there are e.g. perhaps 5 returning infected tourists from Europe who were sent by the agency to their home city some days earlier.

    The selfisolation regime seems to be effectively slowing the growth of the pandemic. Here there is the appearance of “plateau” in new infections in Moscow already. I guess they will expect a decline in daily infection numbers by 12 May, before re-opening.

    Here are daily new infections:

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry

    For an example of some other regions it only just begins though...

    https://static.ngs.ru/news/2020/99/preview/bb0b9f3b7b8b7e703a7c0bf70f70afd205db1abb_623.jpeg

    Replies: @128

  119. @Europe Europa
    I find a lot on the right to be intellectually dishonest when discussing immigration. For example, it is a mystery to me why the immigrants riot so frequently in France (seemingly every other week) yet almost never in Britain despite the fact both countries have large Muslim and black populations.

    I've asked this question multiple times on different outlets and have never got a straight answer from right wingers. Their mantra is that the immigrants behave exactly the same in all Western countries, and the fact that they clearly don't in some cases is an inconvenient truth for their doctrine.

    Replies: @fnn, @another anon, @Kent Nationalist

    I think you exaggerate the difference in frequency of rioting. I think there have been two serious non-white riots in Britain in the last 20 years. In France probably four or five.

    Many reasons suggest themselves:
    -Assimilation to French culture (native French people riot much more)
    -French immigrants are concentrated in suburbs not inner cities
    -Blacks are more dispersed in Britain than France (riots were more frequent even with a low black population when they were more concentrated)

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Kent Nationalist

    I was referring more to the fact that riots against the lock down have been going on nightly across French cities for the past week now, while in Britain there have been no riots against the lock down as far as I'm aware.

    Breitbart were implying that the rioters are immigrants, although I don't agree that's necessarily the case as the "Yellow Jackets" have been protesting/rioting for nearly 2 years now and most of them are native French not immigrants. French people in general seem more likely to rebel against perceived violations of their liberties than British/Anglos. The portrayal of rioting in France as solely an immigrant issue seems either ignorant or dishonesty because there is often heavy leftist and trade union involvement in protesting/rioting in France.

    It's also worth noting that the immigrants in Germany rarely seem to riot as well, probably because native Germans don't have a tradition of rebeling/rioting as native British people don't.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

  120. @sudden death
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard


    That you have had to go through a deluge of those awful stories on the internet… to get to one Russian Lithuanian drink driving without ANY INJURY even being the result–is immensely amusing and indicative of the cynical game you are playing! It is of course overwhelmingly ethnic balts in the UK doing this- for Latvians there in uk it is way in excess of 75/25 ethnic split in Latvia
     
    haha, it is realy amusing to see you get so easily riled for posting even rather mild offense abroad featuring some Slavic emigree chav as if it was very hard to find more serious ones, lol.

    Here's another one just for your pleasure, featuring white trash international "friendship of the nations":


    The Lithuanian trio were convicted of killing 20-year-old Joele Leotta while behaving "like a pack of animals" at his bedsit over Vesuvius restaurant, where he worked in Lower Stone Street.

    Aleksandras Zuravliovas, 26, of Beaumont Road; Saulius Tamoliunas, 24, of Union Street; and 21-year-old Linas Zidonis, of no fixed address, were convicted of murdering Mr Leotta and wounding his best friend Alex Galbiati, 20, with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

    Lawyers for the three convicted men submitted the starting point for the life sentences to be imposed was 15 years.

    Ryan Richter, prosecuting, said Zuravliovas was jailed for 10 months in Lithuania in September 2005 for robbery. While under the influence of alcohol, he acted as a lookout as a mobile phone was stolen.

    Zuravliovas also had convictions in his country for theft using the threat of weapons, public disorder, having a gas pistol in a public place and breaches of orders.

    Mr Richter said Tamoliunas had no convictions in the UK or Lithuania and Zidonis had one driving conviction in the UK and none in Lithuania.
     

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/_media/img/750x0/7QO2XD4Q7JS5CHGHQVKH.jpg

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/joele-leotta-murder-trial-verdict-19545/

    As been said before, emigration and depopulation from such fine white scum of any nationality is the blessing, but not some loss anyhow.

    Replies: @AP, @china-russia-all-the-way

    Why are there so many Lithuanians in UK prisons?

    Lithuanians in UK prisons

    There are way more Polish people in the UK yet only 700 Poles versus 400 Lithuanians in UK prisons. Does Lithuania have a more violence prone culture compared to neighbors?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Quite a short, but precise description and explanation, thanx to Matra for the link:


    Lithuanians are mostly involved in thieving gangs. Most of the products are stolen in the EU and brought back to Lithuania.

    The gangs target northern Europe - especially the UK, Germany, Norway, the Netherlands and Ireland, but they have spread out across the continent.

    Sixty-year-old Lithuanian career criminal Algirdas [not his real name] has spent time in jail in the UK, Lithuania and Latvia.

    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.

    Some turn to stealing, others are part of a network based at home. The prime stolen goods are: phones, computers, gadgets or building tools, which they can fence in the EU or sell in their own country on local markets.

    “[In the UK], at first they'd steal expensive cars and drive them back to Lithuania, but once that alley was blocked, Lithuanians started disassembling cars and selling them in parts.” he says.

    “Lithuanians are very creative, they'll come up with a way. The prisons are full of them since the Lithuanian and British police have started working hand in hand.”
     

    https://euobserver.com/investigations/135659

    ...but I wonder now if is it possible to get a full list of the names of those in UK prisons then we could see for real how many of them are ethnic and non ethnic Lithuanians.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Swedish Family, @JL

  121. @another anon
    @Europe Europa


    I find a lot on the right to be intellectually dishonest when discussing immigration. For example, it is a mystery to me why the immigrants riot so frequently in France (seemingly every other week) yet almost never in Britain despite the fact both countries have large Muslim and black populations.
     
    Because the immigrants are well integrated into French culture.

    Native French were always protesting, rioting and rebeling all the time

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution_(disambiguation)

    while in Britain, serious riots and revolts went out of fashion back in the 19th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Rising

    You shall praise the immigrants for their excellent assimilation.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    I agree that is the most likely reason, but the reason I think many on the right are intellectually dishonest is because they would deny that the immigrants are following cultural trends set by the native population, such as native French people rioting much more frequently than native British.

  122. @Dmitry
    @sudden death

    Eurozone is a good idea for such small countries.

    While in Russia, there is an advantage of having a rich government, or financially stable government.


    -

    Now there will be 6 weeks of the lockdown, so in Russia there is going to be more weeks of lockdown than in most of the world.

    On the other hand, much of the regions' lockdown is a result of idiocy of not quarantining of Moscow, and until late March Rospotrebnadzor sends infected people met at the airport to their home cities. Therefore now many cities are lockdown because there are e.g. perhaps 5 returning infected tourists from Europe who were sent by the agency to their home city some days earlier.

    -

    The selfisolation regime seems to be effectively slowing the growth of the pandemic. Here there is the appearance of "plateau" in new infections in Moscow already. I guess they will expect a decline in daily infection numbers by 12 May, before re-opening.

    Here are daily new infections:
    https://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2020/04/e330d643abedff3980195e05f6b616bd.png

    https://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2020/04/aab768d84efab7ae0a45e178bdd66865.png

    Replies: @Dmitry

    For an example of some other regions it only just begins though…

    • Replies: @128
    @Dmitry

    Russia East of the Urals does not need to worry about coronavirus because its population density is too low for it to spread.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

  123. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry

    For an example of some other regions it only just begins though...

    https://static.ngs.ru/news/2020/99/preview/bb0b9f3b7b8b7e703a7c0bf70f70afd205db1abb_623.jpeg

    Replies: @128

    Russia East of the Urals does not need to worry about coronavirus because its population density is too low for it to spread.

    • Replies: @AP
    @128

    Most of the people there aren’t distributed evenly across the landscape but are clustered in densely- populated communities. To be sure, there are small isolated villages or farmsteads but fewer cars means more contact.

    , @Dmitry
    @128

    Not really going to help - as most people live in crowded cities, even if overall population density of the areas can be low.

    Also self-isolation is feeling more covenient in anglosaxon countries, where the car has been a centre of life more years in relation to urban planning, and you don't have to check mail in a hallway and elevator shared with the other people in your building.

  124. @Kent Nationalist
    @Europe Europa

    I think you exaggerate the difference in frequency of rioting. I think there have been two serious non-white riots in Britain in the last 20 years. In France probably four or five.

    Many reasons suggest themselves:
    -Assimilation to French culture (native French people riot much more)
    -French immigrants are concentrated in suburbs not inner cities
    -Blacks are more dispersed in Britain than France (riots were more frequent even with a low black population when they were more concentrated)

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    I was referring more to the fact that riots against the lock down have been going on nightly across French cities for the past week now, while in Britain there have been no riots against the lock down as far as I’m aware.

    Breitbart were implying that the rioters are immigrants, although I don’t agree that’s necessarily the case as the “Yellow Jackets” have been protesting/rioting for nearly 2 years now and most of them are native French not immigrants. French people in general seem more likely to rebel against perceived violations of their liberties than British/Anglos. The portrayal of rioting in France as solely an immigrant issue seems either ignorant or dishonesty because there is often heavy leftist and trade union involvement in protesting/rioting in France.

    It’s also worth noting that the immigrants in Germany rarely seem to riot as well, probably because native Germans don’t have a tradition of rebeling/rioting as native British people don’t.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    @Europe Europa

    There is also the fact that strikes are officially encouraged in France.

    My understanding is that in France the civil servants explicitly have the 'right' to go on strike.

    Something about the need to let the population vent steam rather than let it build up into another revolution.Historically,France seems much more revolution/upheaval prone than even other Latin countries let alone the UK.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  125. @Europe Europa
    @Kent Nationalist

    I was referring more to the fact that riots against the lock down have been going on nightly across French cities for the past week now, while in Britain there have been no riots against the lock down as far as I'm aware.

    Breitbart were implying that the rioters are immigrants, although I don't agree that's necessarily the case as the "Yellow Jackets" have been protesting/rioting for nearly 2 years now and most of them are native French not immigrants. French people in general seem more likely to rebel against perceived violations of their liberties than British/Anglos. The portrayal of rioting in France as solely an immigrant issue seems either ignorant or dishonesty because there is often heavy leftist and trade union involvement in protesting/rioting in France.

    It's also worth noting that the immigrants in Germany rarely seem to riot as well, probably because native Germans don't have a tradition of rebeling/rioting as native British people don't.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

    There is also the fact that strikes are officially encouraged in France.

    My understanding is that in France the civil servants explicitly have the ‘right’ to go on strike.

    Something about the need to let the population vent steam rather than let it build up into another revolution.Historically,France seems much more revolution/upheaval prone than even other Latin countries let alone the UK.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Vishnugupta

    Spain and Italy don't seem all that prone to civil unrest and revolution, the Spanish in particular seem to be subservient to their elites and aristocrats like the British are.

    Although perhaps it wasn't always that way in the past, considering the Spanish Civil War, but I can't imagine that happening today. From what I've seen the Spanish seem to defend their royals and aristocrats more than the British do, I think they might be even more subservient to their elites.

  126. @Europe Europa
    @Anuxicus

    It's interesting how people blame Communism for the problems of Eastern Europe, yet below replacement fertility rates seem to be a post-Communist phenomena.

    Replies: @Anuxicus

    The fertility rate actually was below replacement levels during the 1960’s and 1970’s, with the fertility of the RSFSR in 1979 measuring at 1.89 births per woman, but it went back to replacement levels during peretroika. So what was different in Russia in 1987/1988 compared to today?

  127. @128
    @Dmitry

    Russia East of the Urals does not need to worry about coronavirus because its population density is too low for it to spread.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    Most of the people there aren’t distributed evenly across the landscape but are clustered in densely- populated communities. To be sure, there are small isolated villages or farmsteads but fewer cars means more contact.

  128. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @sudden death


    To find crimes of "Lithuanians" abroad with specific non-Baltics surnames
     
    LOL..... you have just made up that garbage on the spot. Probably out of insecurity because of the failures of your people. It is a complete lie.

    I am sure that Internet search or anecdotal evidence from people in the UK show a huge number of violent robbery, burglary, human trafficking, drug dealing, domestic violence, random violence and drink driving leading to death by ETHNIC Lithuanians and Poles. They have by far the highest per capita foreign ethnicity in UK jails LOL.

    That you have had to go through a deluge of those awful stories on the internet... to get to one Russian Lithuanian drink driving without ANY INJURY even being the result--is immensely amusing and indicative of the cynical game you are playing! It is of course overwhelmingly ethnic balts in the UK doing this- for Latvians there in uk it is way in excess of 75/25 ethnic split in Latvia


    Dmitrijus Jakimcovas
     
    LOL... Which leads me nicely into my next point. What type of dirtbag, nothing country does this pitiful and evil act of Lithuanianising/balticising a slavic name? Why are they always allowed to get away with this most clear human rights violation?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Matra

    Lithuanians make up the largest per capita foreign nationality in Republic of Ireland jails. In Northern Ireland jails they are the single largest foreign nationality outright, not even per capita. Latvians are also overrepresented in the Irish prison system. From what I can tell the overwhelming majority are ethnically Lithuanian and Latvian.

    In 2016 it was reported that within the EU Lithuanians have the highest percentage of their expat population in jail. EU Observer

  129. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death

    Why are there so many Lithuanians in UK prisons?

    https://imgur.com/a/91zZ3VT

    There are way more Polish people in the UK yet only 700 Poles versus 400 Lithuanians in UK prisons. Does Lithuania have a more violence prone culture compared to neighbors?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Quite a short, but precise description and explanation, thanx to Matra for the link:

    Lithuanians are mostly involved in thieving gangs. Most of the products are stolen in the EU and brought back to Lithuania.

    The gangs target northern Europe – especially the UK, Germany, Norway, the Netherlands and Ireland, but they have spread out across the continent.

    Sixty-year-old Lithuanian career criminal Algirdas [not his real name] has spent time in jail in the UK, Lithuania and Latvia.

    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.

    Some turn to stealing, others are part of a network based at home. The prime stolen goods are: phones, computers, gadgets or building tools, which they can fence in the EU or sell in their own country on local markets.

    “[In the UK], at first they’d steal expensive cars and drive them back to Lithuania, but once that alley was blocked, Lithuanians started disassembling cars and selling them in parts.” he says.

    “Lithuanians are very creative, they’ll come up with a way. The prisons are full of them since the Lithuanian and British police have started working hand in hand.”

    https://euobserver.com/investigations/135659

    …but I wonder now if is it possible to get a full list of the names of those in UK prisons then we could see for real how many of them are ethnic and non ethnic Lithuanians.

    • Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death


    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.
     
    Aren't the same economic pressures applicable to migrant diasporas of all poorer EU countries? In China my encounters with a small handful of people from the Baltic states can be generalized as Estonia - Sophisticated people; Latvia- Nice girls; Lithuania - Angry men. Unlike Estonia and Latvia, there aren't many Russians in Lithuania. Also, few Roma in the Baltic states. So Lithuania citizens are by and large ethnically Lithuanian.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Kent Nationalist, @sudden death

    , @Swedish Family
    @sudden death


    …but I wonder now if is it possible to get a full list of the names of those in UK prisons then we could see for real how many of them are ethnic and non ethnic Lithuanians.
     
    Did the murder of Lisa Holm make the news in Lithuania? It was a big deal in Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lisa_Holm

    https://assets-jpcust.jwpsrv.com/thumbnails/yke25rgc-1280.jpg
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pqWDdMQrQ-8/WJnTwrh18UI/AAAAAAAAEJ8/J2p1YbKCYYAiOkQntjRFAQqMHRaTa2vTACLcB/s400/680hjj.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @JL
    @sudden death

    In 2014, I was stopped by Polish customs agents near the border with Lithuania on my way back to Russia, driving an expensive car. They weren't interested in the contents of the car, but very interested in the car itself. It was a BMW manufactured in Germany, but with Russian plates. Most of the BMWs in Russia are assembled in Kaliningrad, so this caused some confusion, suspicion and delay. The agents didn't speak English, but their Russian was passable.

    Replies: @AP

  130. @AP
    @sudden death

    This is only N = 3, but 1/3 of the "Lithuanians" here is a non-Lithuanian Sovok. Are such similarly over-represented among "Lithuanian" criminals in England (or in Lithuania itself) or is this a fluke?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Really very hard to say, without any studies regarding this specific question, one possible way to get some clearer numbers would be getting those lists of UK prisoners, but for sure it is absolutely not some kind of rarity or freak occurence to become a “Lithuanian” criminal while being non ethnic Lithuanian.

  131. @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Quite a short, but precise description and explanation, thanx to Matra for the link:


    Lithuanians are mostly involved in thieving gangs. Most of the products are stolen in the EU and brought back to Lithuania.

    The gangs target northern Europe - especially the UK, Germany, Norway, the Netherlands and Ireland, but they have spread out across the continent.

    Sixty-year-old Lithuanian career criminal Algirdas [not his real name] has spent time in jail in the UK, Lithuania and Latvia.

    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.

    Some turn to stealing, others are part of a network based at home. The prime stolen goods are: phones, computers, gadgets or building tools, which they can fence in the EU or sell in their own country on local markets.

    “[In the UK], at first they'd steal expensive cars and drive them back to Lithuania, but once that alley was blocked, Lithuanians started disassembling cars and selling them in parts.” he says.

    “Lithuanians are very creative, they'll come up with a way. The prisons are full of them since the Lithuanian and British police have started working hand in hand.”
     

    https://euobserver.com/investigations/135659

    ...but I wonder now if is it possible to get a full list of the names of those in UK prisons then we could see for real how many of them are ethnic and non ethnic Lithuanians.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Swedish Family, @JL

    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.

    Aren’t the same economic pressures applicable to migrant diasporas of all poorer EU countries? In China my encounters with a small handful of people from the Baltic states can be generalized as Estonia – Sophisticated people; Latvia- Nice girls; Lithuania – Angry men. Unlike Estonia and Latvia, there aren’t many Russians in Lithuania. Also, few Roma in the Baltic states. So Lithuania citizens are by and large ethnically Lithuanian.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    Aren’t the same economic pressures applicable to migrant diasporas of all poorer EU countries?
     
    Absolutely yes, that part you cited can be described as a typical excuse of a criminal of any nationality why he is a criminal, so I would not give much importance for such kind of statements.
    , @Kent Nationalist
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I've only ever met one ethnic Lithuanian (plenty of Russisan ones in the UK) and she was probably the best looking girl I've ever met. So one point in their favour? Hungarian women in the UK are also very good-looking and naturally blonder than I expected. Poles are a mixed-bag.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    In China my encounters with a small handful of people from the Baltic states can be generalized as Estonia – Sophisticated people; Latvia- Nice girls; Lithuania – Angry men.
     
    btw, how did they express that anger - were they shouting at waiters or kicking things at the hotel etc.? Or were just walking around with grumpy faces all the time?

    https://imgur.com/gallery/z5rYv

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way

  132. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death


    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.
     
    Aren't the same economic pressures applicable to migrant diasporas of all poorer EU countries? In China my encounters with a small handful of people from the Baltic states can be generalized as Estonia - Sophisticated people; Latvia- Nice girls; Lithuania - Angry men. Unlike Estonia and Latvia, there aren't many Russians in Lithuania. Also, few Roma in the Baltic states. So Lithuania citizens are by and large ethnically Lithuanian.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Kent Nationalist, @sudden death

    Aren’t the same economic pressures applicable to migrant diasporas of all poorer EU countries?

    Absolutely yes, that part you cited can be described as a typical excuse of a criminal of any nationality why he is a criminal, so I would not give much importance for such kind of statements.

  133. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death


    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.
     
    Aren't the same economic pressures applicable to migrant diasporas of all poorer EU countries? In China my encounters with a small handful of people from the Baltic states can be generalized as Estonia - Sophisticated people; Latvia- Nice girls; Lithuania - Angry men. Unlike Estonia and Latvia, there aren't many Russians in Lithuania. Also, few Roma in the Baltic states. So Lithuania citizens are by and large ethnically Lithuanian.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Kent Nationalist, @sudden death

    I’ve only ever met one ethnic Lithuanian (plenty of Russisan ones in the UK) and she was probably the best looking girl I’ve ever met. So one point in their favour? Hungarian women in the UK are also very good-looking and naturally blonder than I expected. Poles are a mixed-bag.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Kent Nationalist

    It's possible Lithuanians have more beautiful girls, but it's probably not very likely. Balts physically/genetically cannot be considered as different than Russians (or the main component of half of Russians). At least, the DNA test company won't see a difference, and will claim that Russian ancestors are contributing to a share of "Baltic" ancestry.

    Replies: @melanf

  134. @AP
    @Swedish Family

    ..Sadly, Жмурки was rather realistic.

    Swedish family, how do you think Scandinavia will be in August? I moved my road trip from June to August but may reschedule for next summer.

    Replies: @JL, @Swedish Family

    Swedish family, how do you think Scandinavia will be in August? I moved my road trip from June to August but may reschedule for next summer.

    For Sweden, it turns on how quickly the virus drops to acceptable levels once we reach herd immunity (about June 1st). I haven’t seen any official forecasts, but I expect most of the present measures to stay in place at least through June (e.g. no crowd can be bigger than fifty people), some relaxation in July, and a return to normal in August.

    Norway is trickier to call since they have gone for a full-blown lockdown and must now be a bit more careful in opening up their society.

    We should have a far better idea by the end of May, so if you can wait with the decision until then, I would do that.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Swedish Family

    Thank you. Yes, I’m expecting Sweden to be ok, but who knows about Norway. I plan to mostly hike and take photos in Norway, though. As long as the border, hotels and ferries are open and I can order food takeout it will be fine. I’ll ask again how things are as summer begins.

    Your countrymen have already built my car just a few days before the factory shut down, it’s waiting for me :-)

    , @Dmitry
    @Swedish Family


    once we reach herd immunity (about June 1st)
     
    Although, this is only beginning around 1 – (1/R0). So if the rate of infection of coronavirus would be 2-3 as some claim, then you would need 50%-66% of the population infected and recovered.

    So you expect 50%-66% of Sweden will be infected by 1 June? Or is there an assumption that coronavirus has a lower rate of infection in normal situation in Sweden?

    It's possible that the virus would have a lower rate of infection than 2 in normal conditions in Sweden (because of pre-existing Scandinavian selfisolation culture), and therefore the proportion of people infected needed to achieve herd immunity would be lower than 50%.

    But even if rate of infection in normal Swedish conditions would be only 1,5 - you would still need 1/3 of Sweden's population to be infected for the beginning of herd immunity. So you would need 3,4 million people in Sweden to be infected with coronavirus.

    Replies: @AP

  135. @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Quite a short, but precise description and explanation, thanx to Matra for the link:


    Lithuanians are mostly involved in thieving gangs. Most of the products are stolen in the EU and brought back to Lithuania.

    The gangs target northern Europe - especially the UK, Germany, Norway, the Netherlands and Ireland, but they have spread out across the continent.

    Sixty-year-old Lithuanian career criminal Algirdas [not his real name] has spent time in jail in the UK, Lithuania and Latvia.

    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.

    Some turn to stealing, others are part of a network based at home. The prime stolen goods are: phones, computers, gadgets or building tools, which they can fence in the EU or sell in their own country on local markets.

    “[In the UK], at first they'd steal expensive cars and drive them back to Lithuania, but once that alley was blocked, Lithuanians started disassembling cars and selling them in parts.” he says.

    “Lithuanians are very creative, they'll come up with a way. The prisons are full of them since the Lithuanian and British police have started working hand in hand.”
     

    https://euobserver.com/investigations/135659

    ...but I wonder now if is it possible to get a full list of the names of those in UK prisons then we could see for real how many of them are ethnic and non ethnic Lithuanians.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Swedish Family, @JL

    …but I wonder now if is it possible to get a full list of the names of those in UK prisons then we could see for real how many of them are ethnic and non ethnic Lithuanians.

    Did the murder of Lisa Holm make the news in Lithuania? It was a big deal in Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lisa_Holm

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Swedish Family

    Yeah, that sad case made first pages in Lithuania too. It was quite unusual as he was not some kind of nutty loner with a long criminal career, but was married and lived together with his wife in Sweden, IIRC.

    Replies: @Swedish Family

  136. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death


    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.
     
    Aren't the same economic pressures applicable to migrant diasporas of all poorer EU countries? In China my encounters with a small handful of people from the Baltic states can be generalized as Estonia - Sophisticated people; Latvia- Nice girls; Lithuania - Angry men. Unlike Estonia and Latvia, there aren't many Russians in Lithuania. Also, few Roma in the Baltic states. So Lithuania citizens are by and large ethnically Lithuanian.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Kent Nationalist, @sudden death

    In China my encounters with a small handful of people from the Baltic states can be generalized as Estonia – Sophisticated people; Latvia- Nice girls; Lithuania – Angry men.

    btw, how did they express that anger – were they shouting at waiters or kicking things at the hotel etc.? Or were just walking around with grumpy faces all the time?

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death

    I just have two anecdotes. One dude made an outburst at a bar and another dude I bumped into a few times at formal social occasions had a fuck you attitude.

  137. @Swedish Family
    @sudden death


    …but I wonder now if is it possible to get a full list of the names of those in UK prisons then we could see for real how many of them are ethnic and non ethnic Lithuanians.
     
    Did the murder of Lisa Holm make the news in Lithuania? It was a big deal in Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lisa_Holm

    https://assets-jpcust.jwpsrv.com/thumbnails/yke25rgc-1280.jpg
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pqWDdMQrQ-8/WJnTwrh18UI/AAAAAAAAEJ8/J2p1YbKCYYAiOkQntjRFAQqMHRaTa2vTACLcB/s400/680hjj.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    Yeah, that sad case made first pages in Lithuania too. It was quite unusual as he was not some kind of nutty loner with a long criminal career, but was married and lived together with his wife in Sweden, IIRC.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
    @sudden death


    Yeah, that sad case made first pages in Lithuania too. It was quite unusual as he was not some kind of nutty loner with a long criminal career, but was married and lived together with his wife in Sweden, IIRC.
     
    Yes, that's right. Very odd and gruesome murder.

    Replies: @sudden death

  138. @Kent Nationalist
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I've only ever met one ethnic Lithuanian (plenty of Russisan ones in the UK) and she was probably the best looking girl I've ever met. So one point in their favour? Hungarian women in the UK are also very good-looking and naturally blonder than I expected. Poles are a mixed-bag.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    It’s possible Lithuanians have more beautiful girls, but it’s probably not very likely. Balts physically/genetically cannot be considered as different than Russians (or the main component of half of Russians). At least, the DNA test company won’t see a difference, and will claim that Russian ancestors are contributing to a share of “Baltic” ancestry.

    • Replies: @melanf
    @Dmitry


    It’s possible Lithuanians have more beautiful girls, but it’s probably not very likely. Balts physically/genetically cannot be considered as different than Russians (or the main component of half of Russians). At least, the DNA test company won’t see a difference, and will claim that Russian ancestors are contributing to a share of “Baltic” ancestry.
     
    This is a meaningless comparison since ethnic Russians consist of at least two different genetic clusters. Northern Russians are genetically closer to Balts and Finns than to the southern Russian, South Russian genetically closer to poles than to the North Russian

    Replies: @Dmitry

  139. @128
    @Dmitry

    Russia East of the Urals does not need to worry about coronavirus because its population density is too low for it to spread.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    Not really going to help – as most people live in crowded cities, even if overall population density of the areas can be low.

    Also self-isolation is feeling more covenient in anglosaxon countries, where the car has been a centre of life more years in relation to urban planning, and you don’t have to check mail in a hallway and elevator shared with the other people in your building.

  140. @Swedish Family
    @AP


    Swedish family, how do you think Scandinavia will be in August? I moved my road trip from June to August but may reschedule for next summer.
     
    For Sweden, it turns on how quickly the virus drops to acceptable levels once we reach herd immunity (about June 1st). I haven't seen any official forecasts, but I expect most of the present measures to stay in place at least through June (e.g. no crowd can be bigger than fifty people), some relaxation in July, and a return to normal in August.

    Norway is trickier to call since they have gone for a full-blown lockdown and must now be a bit more careful in opening up their society.

    We should have a far better idea by the end of May, so if you can wait with the decision until then, I would do that.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    Thank you. Yes, I’m expecting Sweden to be ok, but who knows about Norway. I plan to mostly hike and take photos in Norway, though. As long as the border, hotels and ferries are open and I can order food takeout it will be fine. I’ll ask again how things are as summer begins.

    Your countrymen have already built my car just a few days before the factory shut down, it’s waiting for me 🙂

    • Agree: Swedish Family
  141. @Swedish Family
    @AP


    Swedish family, how do you think Scandinavia will be in August? I moved my road trip from June to August but may reschedule for next summer.
     
    For Sweden, it turns on how quickly the virus drops to acceptable levels once we reach herd immunity (about June 1st). I haven't seen any official forecasts, but I expect most of the present measures to stay in place at least through June (e.g. no crowd can be bigger than fifty people), some relaxation in July, and a return to normal in August.

    Norway is trickier to call since they have gone for a full-blown lockdown and must now be a bit more careful in opening up their society.

    We should have a far better idea by the end of May, so if you can wait with the decision until then, I would do that.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    once we reach herd immunity (about June 1st)

    Although, this is only beginning around 1 – (1/R0). So if the rate of infection of coronavirus would be 2-3 as some claim, then you would need 50%-66% of the population infected and recovered.

    So you expect 50%-66% of Sweden will be infected by 1 June? Or is there an assumption that coronavirus has a lower rate of infection in normal situation in Sweden?

    It’s possible that the virus would have a lower rate of infection than 2 in normal conditions in Sweden (because of pre-existing Scandinavian selfisolation culture), and therefore the proportion of people infected needed to achieve herd immunity would be lower than 50%.

    But even if rate of infection in normal Swedish conditions would be only 1,5 – you would still need 1/3 of Sweden’s population to be infected for the beginning of herd immunity. So you would need 3,4 million people in Sweden to be infected with coronavirus.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry

    Last I checked 1/3 of Stockholm's population had been infected already. Presumably rates are much lower in rural Sweden. So 2/3 infection rate for Stockholm in June seems likely. I plan to be there in August so Stockholm will hopefully be safe by then.

    I tested negative today; hopefully I had been positive and asymptomatic in the past. Am looking forward to the antibody test.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry

  142. @Anuxicus
    @Passer by

    Russia had a replacement fertility as recently as 1988 - So clearly ethnic Russians were replacing themselves recently as 32 years ago. You can't fix this with money alone though, you need to change the culture.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Passer by

    Russia had a replacement fertility as recently as 1988

    The Soviet Union. Not “Russia”. A very different entity where 50 % of the population was not russian.

    Even during communist times russians were not at replacement rate as 50 % of the population of the Soviet Union was not russian.

    Central Asia had very high birth rate back then. Nearly 4 vs 2 for the Soviet Union overall, which means negative birth rate for russians in the Soviet Union.

    • Replies: @Anuxicus
    @Passer by

    The Soviet Union in total had a fertility rate of 2.48 births per woman in 1988. The 2.22 figure is just for the Russian region of the Soviet Union, the RSFSR. That figure does include Chechens, etc. but not Central Asia.

  143. @Dmitry
    @Swedish Family


    once we reach herd immunity (about June 1st)
     
    Although, this is only beginning around 1 – (1/R0). So if the rate of infection of coronavirus would be 2-3 as some claim, then you would need 50%-66% of the population infected and recovered.

    So you expect 50%-66% of Sweden will be infected by 1 June? Or is there an assumption that coronavirus has a lower rate of infection in normal situation in Sweden?

    It's possible that the virus would have a lower rate of infection than 2 in normal conditions in Sweden (because of pre-existing Scandinavian selfisolation culture), and therefore the proportion of people infected needed to achieve herd immunity would be lower than 50%.

    But even if rate of infection in normal Swedish conditions would be only 1,5 - you would still need 1/3 of Sweden's population to be infected for the beginning of herd immunity. So you would need 3,4 million people in Sweden to be infected with coronavirus.

    Replies: @AP

    Last I checked 1/3 of Stockholm‘s population had been infected already. Presumably rates are much lower in rural Sweden. So 2/3 infection rate for Stockholm in June seems likely. I plan to be there in August so Stockholm will hopefully be safe by then.

    I tested negative today; hopefully I had been positive and asymptomatic in the past. Am looking forward to the antibody test.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @AP


    I tested negative today; hopefully I had been positive and asymptomatic in the past. Am looking forward to the antibody test.
     
    May I ask which test they/you used ? Did you find it unpleasant or bearable ?
    Thank you AP in advance for any reply.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Dmitry
    @AP

    If infection/reproduction rate is 1,5, then there will need to be 3,4 million Swedes infected before a beginning of herd immunity - so with one of the estimated infection fatality rates (0,66%): 22440 Swedes are killed. But if infection/reproduction rate of the virus is higher at 2,5, then herd immunity would likely be only beginning with 40392 Swedes killed.

    To me, those figures sound quite bad? Obviously "normal" reproduction/infection rate is not something which is determined only by the virus, but also by social life of the country, habits of the people, as well as its climate. However, this just means it is not easy to predict, and authorities should use the higher figure from a precautionary view.

    In China, almost 25000 people had been killed by coronavirus by the first half of February (according to Tencent claims, if we believe this), which would imply 3,8 million people would have been infected by then if infection fatality rate would be 0,66%. If they had been all concentrated in Wuhan (population 11 million), it might have indeed achieved herd immunity in Wuhan if the virus infection/reproduction rate would be 1,44.

    In Wuhan there was a collapse of the health system, videos of piles of dead, all night burning of bodies, arrest of journalists reporting about the chaos, etc. So herd immunity there (if it was achieved there) was not without some difficulties.


    1/3 of Stockholm‘s population had been infected already

     

    If true, that would imply the infection fatality rate might have been a lot lower than we expected (good news), but also perhaps that virus infection/reproduction rate is probably high in Sweden (bad news) - as the latter would mean that a proportion who need be infected for herd immunity is also higher.

    In the Haredi city of Bnei Brak (population 200000) in Israel, there was apparently 38% of the population infected, without Wuhan/Bergamo/New York mass death and chaos. So they might have achieved already herd immunity in Bnei Brak. But then I read that there were only 4500 old people in the city (which were evacuated from the city by the Israeli military) and the median age there is 18 years old. This African gypsy demographic profile should result in a very low infection fatality rate - but is not generalizable to more "conventional" nationalities.

    Replies: @Swedish Family

  144. @AP
    @Dmitry

    Last I checked 1/3 of Stockholm's population had been infected already. Presumably rates are much lower in rural Sweden. So 2/3 infection rate for Stockholm in June seems likely. I plan to be there in August so Stockholm will hopefully be safe by then.

    I tested negative today; hopefully I had been positive and asymptomatic in the past. Am looking forward to the antibody test.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry

    I tested negative today; hopefully I had been positive and asymptomatic in the past. Am looking forward to the antibody test.

    May I ask which test they/you used ? Did you find it unpleasant or bearable ?
    Thank you AP in advance for any reply.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Blinky Bill

    It was very easy:

    https://www.alere.com/en/home/product-details/id-now-covid-19.html

    Drive up to the mas testing testing location, a technician provides the nasal swab you stick it an inch up each nostril and twirl it around for 15 seconds as the technician watches (car window is rolled up), return test to container, hand it over to the technician, park and wait 20 minutes for results to be provided. My state (if you figure it out please don't name it here) is providing free mass testing now for healthcare providers.

    Very nonaversive, it is not the test where a nasopharyngeal swab is inserted through the nose all the way to the back of the throat.

  145. @Dmitry
    @Kent Nationalist

    It's possible Lithuanians have more beautiful girls, but it's probably not very likely. Balts physically/genetically cannot be considered as different than Russians (or the main component of half of Russians). At least, the DNA test company won't see a difference, and will claim that Russian ancestors are contributing to a share of "Baltic" ancestry.

    Replies: @melanf

    It’s possible Lithuanians have more beautiful girls, but it’s probably not very likely. Balts physically/genetically cannot be considered as different than Russians (or the main component of half of Russians). At least, the DNA test company won’t see a difference, and will claim that Russian ancestors are contributing to a share of “Baltic” ancestry.

    This is a meaningless comparison since ethnic Russians consist of at least two different genetic clusters. Northern Russians are genetically closer to Balts and Finns than to the southern Russian, South Russian genetically closer to poles than to the North Russian

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @melanf

    We know this as you discussed it many times before in the forum. However, have you or someone you know like friends ever tried the DNA test? For much of any Russian ancestry - this DNA test literally says "Baltic". If the government is paranoid the DNA test company are collecting information for bioweapons, then all it would teach NATO members Lithuania, Latvia is how any attack on Russia will massacre themselves.

    Replies: @sudden death

  146. @Passer by
    @Anuxicus


    Russia had a replacement fertility as recently as 1988
     
    The Soviet Union. Not "Russia". A very different entity where 50 % of the population was not russian.

    Even during communist times russians were not at replacement rate as 50 % of the population of the Soviet Union was not russian.

    Central Asia had very high birth rate back then. Nearly 4 vs 2 for the Soviet Union overall, which means negative birth rate for russians in the Soviet Union.

    Replies: @Anuxicus

    The Soviet Union in total had a fertility rate of 2.48 births per woman in 1988. The 2.22 figure is just for the Russian region of the Soviet Union, the RSFSR. That figure does include Chechens, etc. but not Central Asia.

  147. JL says:
    @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Quite a short, but precise description and explanation, thanx to Matra for the link:


    Lithuanians are mostly involved in thieving gangs. Most of the products are stolen in the EU and brought back to Lithuania.

    The gangs target northern Europe - especially the UK, Germany, Norway, the Netherlands and Ireland, but they have spread out across the continent.

    Sixty-year-old Lithuanian career criminal Algirdas [not his real name] has spent time in jail in the UK, Lithuania and Latvia.

    According to his experience of meeting hundreds of Lithuanian criminals, starting a new life in a new country is hard for an immigrant and many cannot manage to survive with legal jobs.

    Some turn to stealing, others are part of a network based at home. The prime stolen goods are: phones, computers, gadgets or building tools, which they can fence in the EU or sell in their own country on local markets.

    “[In the UK], at first they'd steal expensive cars and drive them back to Lithuania, but once that alley was blocked, Lithuanians started disassembling cars and selling them in parts.” he says.

    “Lithuanians are very creative, they'll come up with a way. The prisons are full of them since the Lithuanian and British police have started working hand in hand.”
     

    https://euobserver.com/investigations/135659

    ...but I wonder now if is it possible to get a full list of the names of those in UK prisons then we could see for real how many of them are ethnic and non ethnic Lithuanians.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Swedish Family, @JL

    In 2014, I was stopped by Polish customs agents near the border with Lithuania on my way back to Russia, driving an expensive car. They weren’t interested in the contents of the car, but very interested in the car itself. It was a BMW manufactured in Germany, but with Russian plates. Most of the BMWs in Russia are assembled in Kaliningrad, so this caused some confusion, suspicion and delay. The agents didn’t speak English, but their Russian was passable.

    • Replies: @AP
    @JL

    In the early 1990s there was an expression in Germany, "Auto gestohlen, morgen in Polen." (Auto stolen, tomorrow in Poland).

  148. If you compare the death rate between Sweden and Korea or Vietnam I am sure Sweden is successful. Plus you do not know if herd immunity will even work, and if herd immunity can work very reliably, that means by implication that a vaccine can be very easily done, and the British and Chinese are very optimistic that a vaccine can be had by September, in fact the Indians are already in the process of manufacturing this vaccine. Korea, which is not an island and has a lot of air and sea links with neighboring countries managed to basically stamp out the virus. The Swedish government has been very incompetent and is just using the herd immunity excuse to cover up its incompetence because it is too incapable to crushing the curve. And there are some indications from Korea that coronavirus is like herpes in that it can be managed but not cured, so those who have coronavirus will always be infectious for life and have to be isolated from the uninfected population.

  149. And if herd immunity is not complete they are going to be forced to lock down again anyway once air travel fully opens and you have people from India or Africa travel to Sweden with different strains of the virus that herd immunity does not protect against, in contrast the Chinese have basically come up with a vaccine that protects against all known strains. And coronavirus may basically solve Queenstown’s over tourism problem and make it more like it was in the 80s and 90s.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2019/12/queenstown-wanaka-locals-say-area-can-t-keep-up-with-increasing-tourist-numbers.html

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @128

    Why would they be “forced” to lock down?

    Where is the evidence that this is much worse than a typical flu for people who are neither quite elderly (75-plus) nor afflicted with a serious comorbidity (like extreme obesity, uncontrolled hypertension, or preexisting COPD or other respiratory condition)?

    What’s the death rate per 1,000 population in the USA, Sweden, etc., in 2020 thus far compared to the same period in recent prior years? (In fairness, the lockdown seems to have reduced vehicular accidents and fatalities. Therefore, we should probably consider deaths from causes other than vehicular accident.)

    More specifically, how many people in each country died with the alleged cause of death being flu and viruses in toto each year?

  150. While the Chinese may lie about things, it really does not make sense for them to lie about vaccine effectiveness, considering the damage it will cause to their reputation.

  151. @Blinky Bill
    @AP


    I tested negative today; hopefully I had been positive and asymptomatic in the past. Am looking forward to the antibody test.
     
    May I ask which test they/you used ? Did you find it unpleasant or bearable ?
    Thank you AP in advance for any reply.

    Replies: @AP

    It was very easy:

    https://www.alere.com/en/home/product-details/id-now-covid-19.html

    Drive up to the mas testing testing location, a technician provides the nasal swab you stick it an inch up each nostril and twirl it around for 15 seconds as the technician watches (car window is rolled up), return test to container, hand it over to the technician, park and wait 20 minutes for results to be provided. My state (if you figure it out please don’t name it here) is providing free mass testing now for healthcare providers.

    Very nonaversive, it is not the test where a nasopharyngeal swab is inserted through the nose all the way to the back of the throat.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  152. @JL
    @sudden death

    In 2014, I was stopped by Polish customs agents near the border with Lithuania on my way back to Russia, driving an expensive car. They weren't interested in the contents of the car, but very interested in the car itself. It was a BMW manufactured in Germany, but with Russian plates. Most of the BMWs in Russia are assembled in Kaliningrad, so this caused some confusion, suspicion and delay. The agents didn't speak English, but their Russian was passable.

    Replies: @AP

    In the early 1990s there was an expression in Germany, “Auto gestohlen, morgen in Polen.” (Auto stolen, tomorrow in Poland).

  153. @AP
    @Dmitry

    Last I checked 1/3 of Stockholm's population had been infected already. Presumably rates are much lower in rural Sweden. So 2/3 infection rate for Stockholm in June seems likely. I plan to be there in August so Stockholm will hopefully be safe by then.

    I tested negative today; hopefully I had been positive and asymptomatic in the past. Am looking forward to the antibody test.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry

    If infection/reproduction rate is 1,5, then there will need to be 3,4 million Swedes infected before a beginning of herd immunity – so with one of the estimated infection fatality rates (0,66%): 22440 Swedes are killed. But if infection/reproduction rate of the virus is higher at 2,5, then herd immunity would likely be only beginning with 40392 Swedes killed.

    To me, those figures sound quite bad? Obviously “normal” reproduction/infection rate is not something which is determined only by the virus, but also by social life of the country, habits of the people, as well as its climate. However, this just means it is not easy to predict, and authorities should use the higher figure from a precautionary view.

    In China, almost 25000 people had been killed by coronavirus by the first half of February (according to Tencent claims, if we believe this), which would imply 3,8 million people would have been infected by then if infection fatality rate would be 0,66%. If they had been all concentrated in Wuhan (population 11 million), it might have indeed achieved herd immunity in Wuhan if the virus infection/reproduction rate would be 1,44.

    In Wuhan there was a collapse of the health system, videos of piles of dead, all night burning of bodies, arrest of journalists reporting about the chaos, etc. So herd immunity there (if it was achieved there) was not without some difficulties.

    1/3 of Stockholm‘s population had been infected already

    If true, that would imply the infection fatality rate might have been a lot lower than we expected (good news), but also perhaps that virus infection/reproduction rate is probably high in Sweden (bad news) – as the latter would mean that a proportion who need be infected for herd immunity is also higher.

    In the Haredi city of Bnei Brak (population 200000) in Israel, there was apparently 38% of the population infected, without Wuhan/Bergamo/New York mass death and chaos. So they might have achieved already herd immunity in Bnei Brak. But then I read that there were only 4500 old people in the city (which were evacuated from the city by the Israeli military) and the median age there is 18 years old. This African gypsy demographic profile should result in a very low infection fatality rate – but is not generalizable to more “conventional” nationalities.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
    @Dmitry


    If infection/reproduction rate is 1,5, then there will need to be 3,4 million Swedes infected before a beginning of herd immunity – so with one of the estimated infection fatality rates (0,66%): 22440 Swedes are killed. But if infection/reproduction rate of the virus is higher at 2,5, then herd immunity would likely be only beginning with 40392 Swedes killed.
     
    Yes, but your estimated IFR looks to be 2 to 6 times higher than the present Swedish trend (under 200 deaths before April 1st, about 2,500 deaths for April, and just another month to go until herd immunity). Remember that the population here is not "All Swedes," but "All Healthy Swedes Under the Age of 70," which dramatically lowers the number of deaths.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  154. @melanf
    @Dmitry


    It’s possible Lithuanians have more beautiful girls, but it’s probably not very likely. Balts physically/genetically cannot be considered as different than Russians (or the main component of half of Russians). At least, the DNA test company won’t see a difference, and will claim that Russian ancestors are contributing to a share of “Baltic” ancestry.
     
    This is a meaningless comparison since ethnic Russians consist of at least two different genetic clusters. Northern Russians are genetically closer to Balts and Finns than to the southern Russian, South Russian genetically closer to poles than to the North Russian

    Replies: @Dmitry

    We know this as you discussed it many times before in the forum. However, have you or someone you know like friends ever tried the DNA test? For much of any Russian ancestry – this DNA test literally says “Baltic”. If the government is paranoid the DNA test company are collecting information for bioweapons, then all it would teach NATO members Lithuania, Latvia is how any attack on Russia will massacre themselves.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Dmitry


    For much of any Russian ancestry – this DNA test literally says “Baltic”.
     
    Given some existing theories about ancient Baltic people migrating into/living in the modern day Slavic core territories around the times of mass adoption of christianity in Roman Empire, that might make sense as those Baltic people most likely were not exterminated completely, but just began living and mixing under the rule of newcomer Slavic tribes since around VII century:

    According to one of the theories which has gained considerable traction over the years, one of the western Baltic tribes, the Galindians, Galindae, or Goliad, migrated to the area around modern day Moscow, Russia around the 4th century AD.

    The Eastern Balts, including the hypothesised Dniepr Balts, were living in modern-day Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.

    As Roman domination collapsed in the first half of the first millennium CE in Northern and Eastern Europe, large migrations of the Balts occurred — first, the Galindae or Galindians towards the east, and later, Eastern Balts towards the west. In the seventh century, Slavic tribes from the Volga regions appeared. By the 13th and 14th centuries, they reached the general area that the present-day Balts and Belarusians inhabit. Many other Eastern and Southern Balts either assimilated with other Balts, or Slavs in the 4th–7th centuries and were gradually slavicized.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balts
  155. Why Kazakhstan???

    Seems like a loophole you can drive a truck through for millions of Muslims from overpopulated border states to pour into Russia….

    The others I sort of understand.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @nymom

    There has been a substantial population of Russian Kazakhstanis since the 19th century. Although their numbers have been reduced since the breakup of the Soviet Union, they remain prominent in Kazakh society today. Russians formed a plurality of the Kazakh SSR's population for several decades. 3,553,232 (19.32%) of the Kazakhstan's population in 2019.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Kazakhstan

    https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4797977.jpg

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    , @Blinky Bill
    @nymom

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Kazakhstan_European_Rus.png/800px-Kazakhstan_European_Rus.png

    The share of the European population by districts and cities of regional and republican subordination Kazakhstan in 2016.

    Replies: @another anon

  156. @nymom
    Why Kazakhstan???

    Seems like a loophole you can drive a truck through for millions of Muslims from overpopulated border states to pour into Russia....

    The others I sort of understand.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

    There has been a substantial population of Russian Kazakhstanis since the 19th century. Although their numbers have been reduced since the breakup of the Soviet Union, they remain prominent in Kazakh society today. Russians formed a plurality of the Kazakh SSR’s population for several decades. 3,553,232 (19.32%) of the Kazakhstan’s population in 2019.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Kazakhstan

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @Blinky Bill

    You have it the other way around. Northern Kazakhstan was called “Southern Siberia” and was populated by Russians until the communists redrew the borders.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  157. @nymom
    Why Kazakhstan???

    Seems like a loophole you can drive a truck through for millions of Muslims from overpopulated border states to pour into Russia....

    The others I sort of understand.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill


    The share of the European population by districts and cities of regional and republican subordination Kazakhstan in 2016.

    • Replies: @another anon
    @Blinky Bill

    Exactly. According to Anatoly Karlin's plan, northern Kazakhstan is part of ancient Russian lands that will be soon returned to the motherland.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-nationalism-101

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/sputnik-i-pogrom-big-russia.jpg

    BTW, I do not understand why he plans to stop at the arbitrary Aralsk - Lake Balkhash line.
    Straight line borders are fake and gay. If you look on map and see straight line borders, you know you see fake and gay country made by drawing lines on map.

    If you are taking land, why not take all of Kazakhstan? Most of Kazakh population is north of the line anyway, the land south is mostly steppe and desert, and you will leave Baikonur behind.
    For transhumanist and science fiction fan, Baikonur should be the holiest place on earth.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/21/69/8f2169529a4b8d305db2eea9833ff116.gif

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456938/img/1132680483.gif

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Mr. Hack

  158. @Dmitry
    @melanf

    We know this as you discussed it many times before in the forum. However, have you or someone you know like friends ever tried the DNA test? For much of any Russian ancestry - this DNA test literally says "Baltic". If the government is paranoid the DNA test company are collecting information for bioweapons, then all it would teach NATO members Lithuania, Latvia is how any attack on Russia will massacre themselves.

    Replies: @sudden death

    For much of any Russian ancestry – this DNA test literally says “Baltic”.

    Given some existing theories about ancient Baltic people migrating into/living in the modern day Slavic core territories around the times of mass adoption of christianity in Roman Empire, that might make sense as those Baltic people most likely were not exterminated completely, but just began living and mixing under the rule of newcomer Slavic tribes since around VII century:

    According to one of the theories which has gained considerable traction over the years, one of the western Baltic tribes, the Galindians, Galindae, or Goliad, migrated to the area around modern day Moscow, Russia around the 4th century AD.

    The Eastern Balts, including the hypothesised Dniepr Balts, were living in modern-day Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.

    As Roman domination collapsed in the first half of the first millennium CE in Northern and Eastern Europe, large migrations of the Balts occurred — first, the Galindae or Galindians towards the east, and later, Eastern Balts towards the west. In the seventh century, Slavic tribes from the Volga regions appeared. By the 13th and 14th centuries, they reached the general area that the present-day Balts and Belarusians inhabit. Many other Eastern and Southern Balts either assimilated with other Balts, or Slavs in the 4th–7th centuries and were gradually slavicized.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balts

  159. @Blinky Bill
    @nymom

    There has been a substantial population of Russian Kazakhstanis since the 19th century. Although their numbers have been reduced since the breakup of the Soviet Union, they remain prominent in Kazakh society today. Russians formed a plurality of the Kazakh SSR's population for several decades. 3,553,232 (19.32%) of the Kazakhstan's population in 2019.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Kazakhstan

    https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4797977.jpg

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    You have it the other way around. Northern Kazakhstan was called “Southern Siberia” and was populated by Russians until the communists redrew the borders.

    • Agree: Ms Karlin-Gerard
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @anonymous coward

    The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn't Slavic either.

    Petropavl was founded in 1752 as a Russian fort extending Russian settlement and influence into the nomadic Kazakh territories to the south. Various Turkic states dominated the area throughout the Medieval era. The most notable of these were the Western Turkic Khaganate and the Siberian Khanate. Siberian Tatars, Mongols, Khanty and Mansi tribes, along with others, inhabited the territory.

    The Russian history of Omsk began with the 1584 arrival of a Cossack force under the command of ataman Yermak, who defeated local rulers and established nominal Russian control of the area. To support further expansion tsars Feodor I and Boris Godunov initiated the construction of fortified settlements and military outposts in the south of Siberia in order to defend their subjects from raiding nomadic tribesmen and to exert authority over local populations, specifically over the tribute-paying Siberian Tatars of The Baraba Lands. The first permanent Russian settlement in the region, the city of Tara, was founded in 1594, soon it began to play an important part in fur trade that connected Russia with Central Asia and China.

    In 1716 a fortress was constructed at the confluence of the Om and Irtysh rivers on the orders of sublieutenant Ivan Bugholtz. The fortress would form the nucleus for the development of the future city of Omsk. By the second half of the 18th century, Omsk fortress was the largest building of any kind in the eastern part of Russia.

    As Russian settlements continued to spread through the Yenisei, Tobol and Irtysh watersheds in the course of the 18th century, so did the development of the Omsk and the surrounding region. In 1753 a customs post was established to tax goods brought into the city by the ever-increasing trade with Kazakh tribesmen.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_Siberia

    https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/gettyimages-71630897.jpg
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/kazakh-president-nazarbayev-resigns/

    Replies: @anonymous coward

  160. @sudden death
    @Swedish Family

    Yeah, that sad case made first pages in Lithuania too. It was quite unusual as he was not some kind of nutty loner with a long criminal career, but was married and lived together with his wife in Sweden, IIRC.

    Replies: @Swedish Family

    Yeah, that sad case made first pages in Lithuania too. It was quite unusual as he was not some kind of nutty loner with a long criminal career, but was married and lived together with his wife in Sweden, IIRC.

    Yes, that’s right. Very odd and gruesome murder.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Swedish Family

    It seems that is a rare but still from time to time occuring type of crime where somewhat seemingly normal people absolutely snap out of their minds in some moment of a crazy primal (blood)lust as relatively quite recently there also was utterly mindboggling case when Swedish female journalist was killed and dismembered by constructor in his own privately built submarine during sheduled interview.

    Replies: @Swedish Family

  161. @Dmitry
    @AP

    If infection/reproduction rate is 1,5, then there will need to be 3,4 million Swedes infected before a beginning of herd immunity - so with one of the estimated infection fatality rates (0,66%): 22440 Swedes are killed. But if infection/reproduction rate of the virus is higher at 2,5, then herd immunity would likely be only beginning with 40392 Swedes killed.

    To me, those figures sound quite bad? Obviously "normal" reproduction/infection rate is not something which is determined only by the virus, but also by social life of the country, habits of the people, as well as its climate. However, this just means it is not easy to predict, and authorities should use the higher figure from a precautionary view.

    In China, almost 25000 people had been killed by coronavirus by the first half of February (according to Tencent claims, if we believe this), which would imply 3,8 million people would have been infected by then if infection fatality rate would be 0,66%. If they had been all concentrated in Wuhan (population 11 million), it might have indeed achieved herd immunity in Wuhan if the virus infection/reproduction rate would be 1,44.

    In Wuhan there was a collapse of the health system, videos of piles of dead, all night burning of bodies, arrest of journalists reporting about the chaos, etc. So herd immunity there (if it was achieved there) was not without some difficulties.


    1/3 of Stockholm‘s population had been infected already

     

    If true, that would imply the infection fatality rate might have been a lot lower than we expected (good news), but also perhaps that virus infection/reproduction rate is probably high in Sweden (bad news) - as the latter would mean that a proportion who need be infected for herd immunity is also higher.

    In the Haredi city of Bnei Brak (population 200000) in Israel, there was apparently 38% of the population infected, without Wuhan/Bergamo/New York mass death and chaos. So they might have achieved already herd immunity in Bnei Brak. But then I read that there were only 4500 old people in the city (which were evacuated from the city by the Israeli military) and the median age there is 18 years old. This African gypsy demographic profile should result in a very low infection fatality rate - but is not generalizable to more "conventional" nationalities.

    Replies: @Swedish Family

    If infection/reproduction rate is 1,5, then there will need to be 3,4 million Swedes infected before a beginning of herd immunity – so with one of the estimated infection fatality rates (0,66%): 22440 Swedes are killed. But if infection/reproduction rate of the virus is higher at 2,5, then herd immunity would likely be only beginning with 40392 Swedes killed.

    Yes, but your estimated IFR looks to be 2 to 6 times higher than the present Swedish trend (under 200 deaths before April 1st, about 2,500 deaths for April, and just another month to go until herd immunity). Remember that the population here is not “All Swedes,” but “All Healthy Swedes Under the Age of 70,” which dramatically lowers the number of deaths.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Swedish Family


    2 to 6 times higher than the present

     

    Infection fatality rate is estimated at 0,66% by Lancelet. This was based on Chinese data, so of course it could be wildly wrong.
    https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099%2820%2930243-7'

    Other early estimated were 0,6%
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32234121

    However, more recently Italian researchers are estimating much higher infection fatality rate of 1,29%, from Italy.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.18.20070912v1.full.pdf

    Sweden (median age 41) has an older population than China (median age 38), but younger than Italy (median age 45,5). So we should assume the infection fatality rate in Sweden would be somewhere between the two figures. (Perhaps these estimates are both wildly wrong, but it seems like the information available to us at this early stage).

    Claims that 38% of Bnei Brak in Israel was infected, if true, would presumably have resulted with a much lower infection fatality ratio (if indeed they had achieved 38% infection rates - which itself would only attain herd immunity if rate of infection of the virus was 1,613), only because the median age in that city is 18-19 and the military evacuated the small number of old people there.


    Swedish trend (under 200 deaths before April 1st, about 2,500 deaths for April, and just another month to go until herd immunity).
     
    If the infection/reproduction rate of the virus is between 1,5-2,5 - then herd immunity will require between 3,4- 5,1 million Swedes to be infected. And with the Lancelet estimate, this would result in between 22440-40392 deaths in Sweden.

    I mean we can hope for lower numbers, but this is the current claims, and median age in Sweden is 41, so there's no reason to be overconfident.

    What I expect is that deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved - i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected in Sweden to achieve herd immunity.


    Remember that the population here is not “All Swedes,” but “All Healthy Swedes Under the Age of 70,” which dramatically lowers the number of deaths.

     

    How would Sweden separate the young from old people, while it waits for herd immunity? It's probably not so easy to slice up old and young areas.

    In Israel, the ultra-Orthodox ghetto areas like Bnei Brak which may have attained herd immunity, were the infection epicentres due to the lawlessness of the population. However, half the population of those areas are children. Apparently military invaded the Haredi cities, evacuated the old people, and separated the cities from those with more vulnerable demographic profiles. Bnei Brak (median age 18-19) was sealed by the army, so it could not infect more vulnerable Tel Aviv (median age 35), with exit points of the city blocked with soldiers.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Swedish Family

  162. @Swedish Family
    @sudden death


    Yeah, that sad case made first pages in Lithuania too. It was quite unusual as he was not some kind of nutty loner with a long criminal career, but was married and lived together with his wife in Sweden, IIRC.
     
    Yes, that's right. Very odd and gruesome murder.

    Replies: @sudden death

    It seems that is a rare but still from time to time occuring type of crime where somewhat seemingly normal people absolutely snap out of their minds in some moment of a crazy primal (blood)lust as relatively quite recently there also was utterly mindboggling case when Swedish female journalist was killed and dismembered by constructor in his own privately built submarine during sheduled interview.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
    @sudden death


    It seems that is a rare but still from time to time occuring type of crime where somewhat seemingly normal people absolutely snap out of their minds in some moment of a crazy primal (blood)lust as relatively quite recently there also was utterly mindboggling case when Swedish female journalist was killed and dismembered by constructor in his own privately built submarine during sheduled interview.
     
    It gets weirder: Peter Madsen, the submariner-turned-beheader, later married a Russian hybristophile who says he's now a changed man. From a Swedish article on her:


    Jenny Curpen hails from Moscow but now lives in the Finnish town of Salo, where she was granted asylum after having left Russia in 2012. She tells the BBC that she took part in riots with the National Bolsheviks and was arrested by Russian police before fleeing the country.

    She also tells the BBC that she once worked as a journalist. Curpen used to write for the Russian opposition site Grani.ru, which was shut down by the authorities, she says.

    Now Jenny Curpen is an activist and artist, she claims. In 2018, she launched the art project This Is Not the Peter We Knew about how people around Peter Madsen reacted to the murder.

    [...]

    "I love and respect my husband, I am proud of him and 49 years of his human and professional life except for one day that was and always will stay a tragedy. My husband commited a horrible crime and he is punished for that. However, knowing him for real give me an exclusive right to say that I am lucky to be with the most beautiful, smart, talented, devoted and empathetic person and man ever."
     
    https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/krim/jenny-39-ar-peter-madsens-nya-fru/
  163. @128
    OT, but an interesting alternate history is that without the 1965 immigration act, Blacks would make up 20 percent of Americans today, without all those post 1965 Latin and Asian immigration, with Whites making up slightly less than 80 percent, and Los Angeles would probably end up with a Black majority without the Latinos driving them out in the 90s, how would a proportionally larger low functional Black underclass affect the US in this scenario, would probably make the US a lot less functional than it is now, unless you could get rid of all the Black people too? Key assumption is that nonwhite immigration pretty much does not exist due to no 1965 immigration act, but this has no effect on White fertility and you do not get increased white immigration from Europe to make up for it.

    Replies: @Jatt Arya, @ariel, @ariel, @Denis, @EldnahYm

    It’s been a while since I looked this up, but a large portion of America’s current black population are themselves, immigrants or the descendants of immigrants who arrived over the past century.

  164. @Swedish Family
    @Dmitry


    If infection/reproduction rate is 1,5, then there will need to be 3,4 million Swedes infected before a beginning of herd immunity – so with one of the estimated infection fatality rates (0,66%): 22440 Swedes are killed. But if infection/reproduction rate of the virus is higher at 2,5, then herd immunity would likely be only beginning with 40392 Swedes killed.
     
    Yes, but your estimated IFR looks to be 2 to 6 times higher than the present Swedish trend (under 200 deaths before April 1st, about 2,500 deaths for April, and just another month to go until herd immunity). Remember that the population here is not "All Swedes," but "All Healthy Swedes Under the Age of 70," which dramatically lowers the number of deaths.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    2 to 6 times higher than the present

    Infection fatality rate is estimated at 0,66% by Lancelet. This was based on Chinese data, so of course it could be wildly wrong.
    https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099%2820%2930243-7′

    Other early estimated were 0,6%
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32234121

    However, more recently Italian researchers are estimating much higher infection fatality rate of 1,29%, from Italy.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.18.20070912v1.full.pdf

    Sweden (median age 41) has an older population than China (median age 38), but younger than Italy (median age 45,5). So we should assume the infection fatality rate in Sweden would be somewhere between the two figures. (Perhaps these estimates are both wildly wrong, but it seems like the information available to us at this early stage).

    Claims that 38% of Bnei Brak in Israel was infected, if true, would presumably have resulted with a much lower infection fatality ratio (if indeed they had achieved 38% infection rates – which itself would only attain herd immunity if rate of infection of the virus was 1,613), only because the median age in that city is 18-19 and the military evacuated the small number of old people there.

    Swedish trend (under 200 deaths before April 1st, about 2,500 deaths for April, and just another month to go until herd immunity).

    If the infection/reproduction rate of the virus is between 1,5-2,5 – then herd immunity will require between 3,4- 5,1 million Swedes to be infected. And with the Lancelet estimate, this would result in between 22440-40392 deaths in Sweden.

    I mean we can hope for lower numbers, but this is the current claims, and median age in Sweden is 41, so there’s no reason to be overconfident.

    What I expect is that deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved – i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected in Sweden to achieve herd immunity.

    Remember that the population here is not “All Swedes,” but “All Healthy Swedes Under the Age of 70,” which dramatically lowers the number of deaths.

    How would Sweden separate the young from old people, while it waits for herd immunity? It’s probably not so easy to slice up old and young areas.

    In Israel, the ultra-Orthodox ghetto areas like Bnei Brak which may have attained herd immunity, were the infection epicentres due to the lawlessness of the population. However, half the population of those areas are children. Apparently military invaded the Haredi cities, evacuated the old people, and separated the cities from those with more vulnerable demographic profiles. Bnei Brak (median age 18-19) was sealed by the army, so it could not infect more vulnerable Tel Aviv (median age 35), with exit points of the city blocked with soldiers.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved – i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected

     

    Well, looking at video in Sweden, perhaps not, considering a lack selfisolation is even worse than England and similar to New York... The summer weather should significantly lower the infection/reproduction rate of the virus in Sweden - but this will go back upwards in autumn with the colder weather, and so will the necessary number of people that need to be infected to achieve herd immunity. Perhaps the best hope is that the published infection fatality estimates are actually far higher than the reality, and that in addition old people can really be separated from the population to lower the fatality rates even more.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Kq3PDLShk


    By comparison here is New York, Central Park - where the current lack of selfisolation is similar.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVPXrtwxCs8

    Replies: @128, @128

    , @Swedish Family
    @Dmitry


    If the infection/reproduction rate of the virus is between 1,5-2,5 – then herd immunity will require between 3,4- 5,1 million Swedes to be infected. And with the Lancelet estimate, this would result in between 22440-40392 deaths in Sweden.

    I mean we can hope for lower numbers, but this is the current claims, and median age in Sweden is 41, so there’s no reason to be overconfident.

    What I expect is that deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved – i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected in Sweden to achieve herd immunity.
     
    Hmm, it seems you still don't get the basic idea.

    If only 5%, let's say, are vulnerable to covid-19 and 9/10 of these self-isolate until the virus spread lessens, the fatality rate will be very low even with many millions of infected. More than this, if you succeed in isolating this vulnerable group, you want the virus to spread briskly since this shortens both the agony for the isolated and the economic slump. This is why you see all those Stockholmers enjoying the weather.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  165. @Dmitry
    @Swedish Family


    2 to 6 times higher than the present

     

    Infection fatality rate is estimated at 0,66% by Lancelet. This was based on Chinese data, so of course it could be wildly wrong.
    https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099%2820%2930243-7'

    Other early estimated were 0,6%
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32234121

    However, more recently Italian researchers are estimating much higher infection fatality rate of 1,29%, from Italy.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.18.20070912v1.full.pdf

    Sweden (median age 41) has an older population than China (median age 38), but younger than Italy (median age 45,5). So we should assume the infection fatality rate in Sweden would be somewhere between the two figures. (Perhaps these estimates are both wildly wrong, but it seems like the information available to us at this early stage).

    Claims that 38% of Bnei Brak in Israel was infected, if true, would presumably have resulted with a much lower infection fatality ratio (if indeed they had achieved 38% infection rates - which itself would only attain herd immunity if rate of infection of the virus was 1,613), only because the median age in that city is 18-19 and the military evacuated the small number of old people there.


    Swedish trend (under 200 deaths before April 1st, about 2,500 deaths for April, and just another month to go until herd immunity).
     
    If the infection/reproduction rate of the virus is between 1,5-2,5 - then herd immunity will require between 3,4- 5,1 million Swedes to be infected. And with the Lancelet estimate, this would result in between 22440-40392 deaths in Sweden.

    I mean we can hope for lower numbers, but this is the current claims, and median age in Sweden is 41, so there's no reason to be overconfident.

    What I expect is that deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved - i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected in Sweden to achieve herd immunity.


    Remember that the population here is not “All Swedes,” but “All Healthy Swedes Under the Age of 70,” which dramatically lowers the number of deaths.

     

    How would Sweden separate the young from old people, while it waits for herd immunity? It's probably not so easy to slice up old and young areas.

    In Israel, the ultra-Orthodox ghetto areas like Bnei Brak which may have attained herd immunity, were the infection epicentres due to the lawlessness of the population. However, half the population of those areas are children. Apparently military invaded the Haredi cities, evacuated the old people, and separated the cities from those with more vulnerable demographic profiles. Bnei Brak (median age 18-19) was sealed by the army, so it could not infect more vulnerable Tel Aviv (median age 35), with exit points of the city blocked with soldiers.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Swedish Family

    deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved – i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected

    Well, looking at video in Sweden, perhaps not, considering a lack selfisolation is even worse than England and similar to New York… The summer weather should significantly lower the infection/reproduction rate of the virus in Sweden – but this will go back upwards in autumn with the colder weather, and so will the necessary number of people that need to be infected to achieve herd immunity. Perhaps the best hope is that the published infection fatality estimates are actually far higher than the reality, and that in addition old people can really be separated from the population to lower the fatality rates even more.

    By comparison here is New York, Central Park – where the current lack of selfisolation is similar.

    • Replies: @128
    @Dmitry

    Don't Europeans smoke a lot? How do you self isolate all the elderly, everyone over 60, overweight, obese, smokers, asthmatics, diabetics, people with high blood pressure, immune disorders, what if they have to go out and buy supplies? How do you isolate a fifth of the population for a year, or two thirds of your population in the case of the US, if you count all the people over 60, plus smokers, plus diabetics and pre-diabetics, plus overweight and obese, plus those with high blood pressure, plus asthmatics, those with respiratory or heart disease, those with immune disorders etc.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    , @128
    @Dmitry

    Plus herd immunity is not a sure thing either, you do not know how long immunity will last, or how reliable it is, or whether once you are infection, you can really fully flush the virus out of your system, or even whether all of the people who are infected to have the required level of antibodies to protect against reinfection, and there is basically no way to successfully isolate the elderly and vulnerable parts of the population, nor is socially desirable from a cohesion point of view. Well in fairness to the corona hoaxers in the right in must be psychologically very hard to start agreeing with the establishment when you have been instinctively trashing their view your whole life.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Swedish Family

  166. @anonymous coward
    @Blinky Bill

    You have it the other way around. Northern Kazakhstan was called “Southern Siberia” and was populated by Russians until the communists redrew the borders.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn’t Slavic either.

    Petropavl was founded in 1752 as a Russian fort extending Russian settlement and influence into the nomadic Kazakh territories to the south. Various Turkic states dominated the area throughout the Medieval era. The most notable of these were the Western Turkic Khaganate and the Siberian Khanate. Siberian Tatars, Mongols, Khanty and Mansi tribes, along with others, inhabited the territory.

    The Russian history of Omsk began with the 1584 arrival of a Cossack force under the command of ataman Yermak, who defeated local rulers and established nominal Russian control of the area. To support further expansion tsars Feodor I and Boris Godunov initiated the construction of fortified settlements and military outposts in the south of Siberia in order to defend their subjects from raiding nomadic tribesmen and to exert authority over local populations, specifically over the tribute-paying Siberian Tatars of The Baraba Lands. The first permanent Russian settlement in the region, the city of Tara, was founded in 1594, soon it began to play an important part in fur trade that connected Russia with Central Asia and China.

    In 1716 a fortress was constructed at the confluence of the Om and Irtysh rivers on the orders of sublieutenant Ivan Bugholtz. The fortress would form the nucleus for the development of the future city of Omsk. By the second half of the 18th century, Omsk fortress was the largest building of any kind in the eastern part of Russia.

    As Russian settlements continued to spread through the Yenisei, Tobol and Irtysh watersheds in the course of the 18th century, so did the development of the Omsk and the surrounding region. In 1753 a customs post was established to tax goods brought into the city by the ever-increasing trade with Kazakh tribesmen.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_Siberia

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @Blinky Bill


    The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn’t Slavic either.
     
    Considering the fact that Russians were the first people to build cities there, yeah, it pretty much was.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  167. @Blinky Bill
    @anonymous coward

    The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn't Slavic either.

    Petropavl was founded in 1752 as a Russian fort extending Russian settlement and influence into the nomadic Kazakh territories to the south. Various Turkic states dominated the area throughout the Medieval era. The most notable of these were the Western Turkic Khaganate and the Siberian Khanate. Siberian Tatars, Mongols, Khanty and Mansi tribes, along with others, inhabited the territory.

    The Russian history of Omsk began with the 1584 arrival of a Cossack force under the command of ataman Yermak, who defeated local rulers and established nominal Russian control of the area. To support further expansion tsars Feodor I and Boris Godunov initiated the construction of fortified settlements and military outposts in the south of Siberia in order to defend their subjects from raiding nomadic tribesmen and to exert authority over local populations, specifically over the tribute-paying Siberian Tatars of The Baraba Lands. The first permanent Russian settlement in the region, the city of Tara, was founded in 1594, soon it began to play an important part in fur trade that connected Russia with Central Asia and China.

    In 1716 a fortress was constructed at the confluence of the Om and Irtysh rivers on the orders of sublieutenant Ivan Bugholtz. The fortress would form the nucleus for the development of the future city of Omsk. By the second half of the 18th century, Omsk fortress was the largest building of any kind in the eastern part of Russia.

    As Russian settlements continued to spread through the Yenisei, Tobol and Irtysh watersheds in the course of the 18th century, so did the development of the Omsk and the surrounding region. In 1753 a customs post was established to tax goods brought into the city by the ever-increasing trade with Kazakh tribesmen.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_Siberia

    https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/gettyimages-71630897.jpg
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/kazakh-president-nazarbayev-resigns/

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn’t Slavic either.

    Considering the fact that Russians were the first people to build cities there, yeah, it pretty much was.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @anonymous coward

    In 1582 the troops of Cossack ataman Yermak seized and ruined Qashliq. The ruined city was retaken by the Siberian Tatars in 1584 only to be lost forever in 1586. Qashliq is first mentioned in Russian sources of the 14th century.

    https://i.imgur.com/D3eEUXz.jpg

    Replies: @AP, @anonymous coward

  168. @anonymous coward
    @Blinky Bill


    The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn’t Slavic either.
     
    Considering the fact that Russians were the first people to build cities there, yeah, it pretty much was.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    In 1582 the troops of Cossack ataman Yermak seized and ruined Qashliq. The ruined city was retaken by the Siberian Tatars in 1584 only to be lost forever in 1586. Qashliq is first mentioned in Russian sources of the 14th century.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Blinky Bill

    Anonymous Coward is wrong 90% of the time. He is an interesting case, because despite being wrong in almost everything he writes, he does not seem to be an idiot. Rather, he is like a dyslexic - except for facts.

    , @anonymous coward
    @Blinky Bill

    Qashliq, a.k.a. Isker, is near modern-day Tobolsk, 500 km or more from the nearest city in Northern Kazakhstan.

    Of course, for the 'let me tell you about your country' larper crowd we arr rook same, 500 km here, 500 km there, who cares, amirite?

    Replies: @AP

  169. Who would want to immigrate to Russia seeing how badly they botched coroa, and before somebody say but what about Spain or Italy, what about Korea or Vietnam? How many cases did Vietnam have out of a population of more than 90 million?

  170. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved – i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected

     

    Well, looking at video in Sweden, perhaps not, considering a lack selfisolation is even worse than England and similar to New York... The summer weather should significantly lower the infection/reproduction rate of the virus in Sweden - but this will go back upwards in autumn with the colder weather, and so will the necessary number of people that need to be infected to achieve herd immunity. Perhaps the best hope is that the published infection fatality estimates are actually far higher than the reality, and that in addition old people can really be separated from the population to lower the fatality rates even more.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Kq3PDLShk


    By comparison here is New York, Central Park - where the current lack of selfisolation is similar.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVPXrtwxCs8

    Replies: @128, @128

    Don’t Europeans smoke a lot? How do you self isolate all the elderly, everyone over 60, overweight, obese, smokers, asthmatics, diabetics, people with high blood pressure, immune disorders, what if they have to go out and buy supplies? How do you isolate a fifth of the population for a year, or two thirds of your population in the case of the US, if you count all the people over 60, plus smokers, plus diabetics and pre-diabetics, plus overweight and obese, plus those with high blood pressure, plus asthmatics, those with respiratory or heart disease, those with immune disorders etc.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @128

    Depends which Europeans you are talking about, British and Scandinavians probably smoke as little if not even less than Americans. French and Germans a bit more so, and then Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans have much higher rates of smoking.

    People often say "Europeans are smokers" or some other generalised statement about "Europeans", but the cultural/behavioural differences between the countries/regions of Europe is as significant as those between the different countries of the Americas. Saying British and Greek smoking habits would be comparable isn't much different to saying US and Mexican smoking habits would be comparable.

  171. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved – i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected

     

    Well, looking at video in Sweden, perhaps not, considering a lack selfisolation is even worse than England and similar to New York... The summer weather should significantly lower the infection/reproduction rate of the virus in Sweden - but this will go back upwards in autumn with the colder weather, and so will the necessary number of people that need to be infected to achieve herd immunity. Perhaps the best hope is that the published infection fatality estimates are actually far higher than the reality, and that in addition old people can really be separated from the population to lower the fatality rates even more.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Kq3PDLShk


    By comparison here is New York, Central Park - where the current lack of selfisolation is similar.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVPXrtwxCs8

    Replies: @128, @128

    Plus herd immunity is not a sure thing either, you do not know how long immunity will last, or how reliable it is, or whether once you are infection, you can really fully flush the virus out of your system, or even whether all of the people who are infected to have the required level of antibodies to protect against reinfection, and there is basically no way to successfully isolate the elderly and vulnerable parts of the population, nor is socially desirable from a cohesion point of view. Well in fairness to the corona hoaxers in the right in must be psychologically very hard to start agreeing with the establishment when you have been instinctively trashing their view your whole life.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @128

    Separating old from young people is not easy, and was one of the most impractical proposals of some governments (like Great Britain), who seemed to assume it could happen by peoples' self-direction without any actual policy for how it will be achieved. For the UK, it has now already failed completely, as the virus spreads across the old people homes.

    In Bnei Brak in Israel (which had one of the lowest indexes of self-isolation but also a very low median age), the military physically evacuated the old people. This kind of policy is practical, as it doesn't rely on self-direction of the population.

    If Sweden could evacuate all old people to safe locations, and then allow the "herd immunity" with the rest of the population, maybe it could be a good plan in my opinion.

    -

    Military to evacuate 4,500 elderly Bnei Brak residents to quarantine hotels

    The Israeli military will remove some 4,500 people above the age of 80 from the predominantly ultra-Orthodox city of Bnei Brak, placing those residents most at risk from the coronavirus in state-run isolation hotels...

    “The coronavirus pandemic is hitting Bnei Brak. The problem is the elderly; the elderly are in mortal danger, which is why we decided to send the IDF and the Home Front Command in an operation to extract the elderly from Bnei Brak,” Bennett said in a statement.
     

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/military-to-evacuate-4500-elderly-bnei-brak-residents-to-quarantine-hotels/

    Also all exits/entry points road the city was sealed by soldiers. Authorities in Israel had used the most basic and traditional Soviet anti-epidemic policy against the Haredim, of sealing the city (the same which should have been used against Moscow).

    https://i.imgur.com/hK2hc2L.jpg

    , @Swedish Family
    @128


    Plus herd immunity is not a sure thing either, you do not know how long immunity will last, or how reliable it is, or whether once you are infection, you can really fully flush the virus out of your system, or even whether all of the people who are infected to have the required level of antibodies to protect against reinfection, and there is basically no way to successfully isolate the elderly and vulnerable parts of the population, nor is socially desirable from a cohesion point of view.
     
    A hypothetical: If you knew back in February that the true fatality rate was, say, 0.005%, would you then still have supported a full lockdown? I suspect not. Your fears about herd immunity have some merit, but they surely aren't grounds for grinding the world economy to a halt.
  172. @128
    @Dmitry

    Don't Europeans smoke a lot? How do you self isolate all the elderly, everyone over 60, overweight, obese, smokers, asthmatics, diabetics, people with high blood pressure, immune disorders, what if they have to go out and buy supplies? How do you isolate a fifth of the population for a year, or two thirds of your population in the case of the US, if you count all the people over 60, plus smokers, plus diabetics and pre-diabetics, plus overweight and obese, plus those with high blood pressure, plus asthmatics, those with respiratory or heart disease, those with immune disorders etc.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    Depends which Europeans you are talking about, British and Scandinavians probably smoke as little if not even less than Americans. French and Germans a bit more so, and then Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans have much higher rates of smoking.

    People often say “Europeans are smokers” or some other generalised statement about “Europeans”, but the cultural/behavioural differences between the countries/regions of Europe is as significant as those between the different countries of the Americas. Saying British and Greek smoking habits would be comparable isn’t much different to saying US and Mexican smoking habits would be comparable.

  173. @Vishnugupta
    @Europe Europa

    There is also the fact that strikes are officially encouraged in France.

    My understanding is that in France the civil servants explicitly have the 'right' to go on strike.

    Something about the need to let the population vent steam rather than let it build up into another revolution.Historically,France seems much more revolution/upheaval prone than even other Latin countries let alone the UK.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    Spain and Italy don’t seem all that prone to civil unrest and revolution, the Spanish in particular seem to be subservient to their elites and aristocrats like the British are.

    Although perhaps it wasn’t always that way in the past, considering the Spanish Civil War, but I can’t imagine that happening today. From what I’ve seen the Spanish seem to defend their royals and aristocrats more than the British do, I think they might be even more subservient to their elites.

  174. @Blinky Bill
    @nymom

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Kazakhstan_European_Rus.png/800px-Kazakhstan_European_Rus.png

    The share of the European population by districts and cities of regional and republican subordination Kazakhstan in 2016.

    Replies: @another anon

    Exactly. According to Anatoly Karlin’s plan, northern Kazakhstan is part of ancient Russian lands that will be soon returned to the motherland.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-nationalism-101

    BTW, I do not understand why he plans to stop at the arbitrary Aralsk – Lake Balkhash line.
    Straight line borders are fake and gay. If you look on map and see straight line borders, you know you see fake and gay country made by drawing lines on map.

    If you are taking land, why not take all of Kazakhstan? Most of Kazakh population is north of the line anyway, the land south is mostly steppe and desert, and you will leave Baikonur behind.
    For transhumanist and science fiction fan, Baikonur should be the holiest place on earth.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @another anon

    Is that not like saying Ireland is an ancient British land that should be reunited with Britannia in defiance of the left wing globalists and corrupt Catholic church?

    , @Mr. Hack
    @another anon

    Baikonur looks like South Phoenix. It's not even on the maps that you show. I guess they'll be able to shoot out the Russian cryogenic space pods from there?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Baikonuriss.jpg/800px-Baikonuriss.jpg

  175. @Blinky Bill
    @anonymous coward

    In 1582 the troops of Cossack ataman Yermak seized and ruined Qashliq. The ruined city was retaken by the Siberian Tatars in 1584 only to be lost forever in 1586. Qashliq is first mentioned in Russian sources of the 14th century.

    https://i.imgur.com/D3eEUXz.jpg

    Replies: @AP, @anonymous coward

    Anonymous Coward is wrong 90% of the time. He is an interesting case, because despite being wrong in almost everything he writes, he does not seem to be an idiot. Rather, he is like a dyslexic – except for facts.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  176. @another anon
    @Blinky Bill

    Exactly. According to Anatoly Karlin's plan, northern Kazakhstan is part of ancient Russian lands that will be soon returned to the motherland.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-nationalism-101

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/sputnik-i-pogrom-big-russia.jpg

    BTW, I do not understand why he plans to stop at the arbitrary Aralsk - Lake Balkhash line.
    Straight line borders are fake and gay. If you look on map and see straight line borders, you know you see fake and gay country made by drawing lines on map.

    If you are taking land, why not take all of Kazakhstan? Most of Kazakh population is north of the line anyway, the land south is mostly steppe and desert, and you will leave Baikonur behind.
    For transhumanist and science fiction fan, Baikonur should be the holiest place on earth.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/21/69/8f2169529a4b8d305db2eea9833ff116.gif

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456938/img/1132680483.gif

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Mr. Hack

    Is that not like saying Ireland is an ancient British land that should be reunited with Britannia in defiance of the left wing globalists and corrupt Catholic church?

  177. @another anon
    @Blinky Bill

    Exactly. According to Anatoly Karlin's plan, northern Kazakhstan is part of ancient Russian lands that will be soon returned to the motherland.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-nationalism-101

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/sputnik-i-pogrom-big-russia.jpg

    BTW, I do not understand why he plans to stop at the arbitrary Aralsk - Lake Balkhash line.
    Straight line borders are fake and gay. If you look on map and see straight line borders, you know you see fake and gay country made by drawing lines on map.

    If you are taking land, why not take all of Kazakhstan? Most of Kazakh population is north of the line anyway, the land south is mostly steppe and desert, and you will leave Baikonur behind.
    For transhumanist and science fiction fan, Baikonur should be the holiest place on earth.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/21/69/8f2169529a4b8d305db2eea9833ff116.gif

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456938/img/1132680483.gif

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Mr. Hack

    Baikonur looks like South Phoenix. It’s not even on the maps that you show. I guess they’ll be able to shoot out the Russian cryogenic space pods from there?

  178. In Sverdlovsk Region it will now be illegal to be in a public place, without a mask on the face, from 1 May. I haven’t checked, but I assume it will be the first in the Russian Federation.

    Whether this is something effective or not (using non-sealed medical masks), is simply unknown. However, from a precautionary point of view, it is obviously a good idea which should have been last month already, as there is a plausible chance it will reduce transmission rates, while the cost of such an intervention is almost nothing.

    In Ukraine, for more than a month, the population is almost all wearing such medical masks.

  179. @sudden death
    @Swedish Family

    It seems that is a rare but still from time to time occuring type of crime where somewhat seemingly normal people absolutely snap out of their minds in some moment of a crazy primal (blood)lust as relatively quite recently there also was utterly mindboggling case when Swedish female journalist was killed and dismembered by constructor in his own privately built submarine during sheduled interview.

    Replies: @Swedish Family

    It seems that is a rare but still from time to time occuring type of crime where somewhat seemingly normal people absolutely snap out of their minds in some moment of a crazy primal (blood)lust as relatively quite recently there also was utterly mindboggling case when Swedish female journalist was killed and dismembered by constructor in his own privately built submarine during sheduled interview.

    It gets weirder: Peter Madsen, the submariner-turned-beheader, later married a Russian hybristophile who says he’s now a changed man. From a Swedish article on her:

    Jenny Curpen hails from Moscow but now lives in the Finnish town of Salo, where she was granted asylum after having left Russia in 2012. She tells the BBC that she took part in riots with the National Bolsheviks and was arrested by Russian police before fleeing the country.

    She also tells the BBC that she once worked as a journalist. Curpen used to write for the Russian opposition site Grani.ru, which was shut down by the authorities, she says.

    Now Jenny Curpen is an activist and artist, she claims. In 2018, she launched the art project This Is Not the Peter We Knew about how people around Peter Madsen reacted to the murder.

    […]

    “I love and respect my husband, I am proud of him and 49 years of his human and professional life except for one day that was and always will stay a tragedy. My husband commited a horrible crime and he is punished for that. However, knowing him for real give me an exclusive right to say that I am lucky to be with the most beautiful, smart, talented, devoted and empathetic person and man ever.”

    https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/krim/jenny-39-ar-peter-madsens-nya-fru/

    • LOL: sudden death
  180. @128
    @Dmitry

    Plus herd immunity is not a sure thing either, you do not know how long immunity will last, or how reliable it is, or whether once you are infection, you can really fully flush the virus out of your system, or even whether all of the people who are infected to have the required level of antibodies to protect against reinfection, and there is basically no way to successfully isolate the elderly and vulnerable parts of the population, nor is socially desirable from a cohesion point of view. Well in fairness to the corona hoaxers in the right in must be psychologically very hard to start agreeing with the establishment when you have been instinctively trashing their view your whole life.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Swedish Family

    Separating old from young people is not easy, and was one of the most impractical proposals of some governments (like Great Britain), who seemed to assume it could happen by peoples’ self-direction without any actual policy for how it will be achieved. For the UK, it has now already failed completely, as the virus spreads across the old people homes.

    In Bnei Brak in Israel (which had one of the lowest indexes of self-isolation but also a very low median age), the military physically evacuated the old people. This kind of policy is practical, as it doesn’t rely on self-direction of the population.

    If Sweden could evacuate all old people to safe locations, and then allow the “herd immunity” with the rest of the population, maybe it could be a good plan in my opinion.

    Military to evacuate 4,500 elderly Bnei Brak residents to quarantine hotels

    The Israeli military will remove some 4,500 people above the age of 80 from the predominantly ultra-Orthodox city of Bnei Brak, placing those residents most at risk from the coronavirus in state-run isolation hotels

    “The coronavirus pandemic is hitting Bnei Brak. The problem is the elderly; the elderly are in mortal danger, which is why we decided to send the IDF and the Home Front Command in an operation to extract the elderly from Bnei Brak,” Bennett said in a statement.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/military-to-evacuate-4500-elderly-bnei-brak-residents-to-quarantine-hotels/

    Also all exits/entry points road the city was sealed by soldiers. Authorities in Israel had used the most basic and traditional Soviet anti-epidemic policy against the Haredim, of sealing the city (the same which should have been used against Moscow).

  181. @Dmitry
    @Swedish Family


    2 to 6 times higher than the present

     

    Infection fatality rate is estimated at 0,66% by Lancelet. This was based on Chinese data, so of course it could be wildly wrong.
    https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099%2820%2930243-7'

    Other early estimated were 0,6%
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32234121

    However, more recently Italian researchers are estimating much higher infection fatality rate of 1,29%, from Italy.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.18.20070912v1.full.pdf

    Sweden (median age 41) has an older population than China (median age 38), but younger than Italy (median age 45,5). So we should assume the infection fatality rate in Sweden would be somewhere between the two figures. (Perhaps these estimates are both wildly wrong, but it seems like the information available to us at this early stage).

    Claims that 38% of Bnei Brak in Israel was infected, if true, would presumably have resulted with a much lower infection fatality ratio (if indeed they had achieved 38% infection rates - which itself would only attain herd immunity if rate of infection of the virus was 1,613), only because the median age in that city is 18-19 and the military evacuated the small number of old people there.


    Swedish trend (under 200 deaths before April 1st, about 2,500 deaths for April, and just another month to go until herd immunity).
     
    If the infection/reproduction rate of the virus is between 1,5-2,5 - then herd immunity will require between 3,4- 5,1 million Swedes to be infected. And with the Lancelet estimate, this would result in between 22440-40392 deaths in Sweden.

    I mean we can hope for lower numbers, but this is the current claims, and median age in Sweden is 41, so there's no reason to be overconfident.

    What I expect is that deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved - i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected in Sweden to achieve herd immunity.


    Remember that the population here is not “All Swedes,” but “All Healthy Swedes Under the Age of 70,” which dramatically lowers the number of deaths.

     

    How would Sweden separate the young from old people, while it waits for herd immunity? It's probably not so easy to slice up old and young areas.

    In Israel, the ultra-Orthodox ghetto areas like Bnei Brak which may have attained herd immunity, were the infection epicentres due to the lawlessness of the population. However, half the population of those areas are children. Apparently military invaded the Haredi cities, evacuated the old people, and separated the cities from those with more vulnerable demographic profiles. Bnei Brak (median age 18-19) was sealed by the army, so it could not infect more vulnerable Tel Aviv (median age 35), with exit points of the city blocked with soldiers.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Swedish Family

    If the infection/reproduction rate of the virus is between 1,5-2,5 – then herd immunity will require between 3,4- 5,1 million Swedes to be infected. And with the Lancelet estimate, this would result in between 22440-40392 deaths in Sweden.

    I mean we can hope for lower numbers, but this is the current claims, and median age in Sweden is 41, so there’s no reason to be overconfident.

    What I expect is that deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved – i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected in Sweden to achieve herd immunity.

    Hmm, it seems you still don’t get the basic idea.

    If only 5%, let’s say, are vulnerable to covid-19 and 9/10 of these self-isolate until the virus spread lessens, the fatality rate will be very low even with many millions of infected. More than this, if you succeed in isolating this vulnerable group, you want the virus to spread briskly since this shortens both the agony for the isolated and the economic slump. This is why you see all those Stockholmers enjoying the weather.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Swedish Family

    I'm writing about this idea in the posts above (see the discussions about Bnei Brak).

    But Sweden is a country with an older demographic profile (median age - 41), so there will be probably too many old people for the state to evacuate or isolate. So, the proposal to isolate old people will require own self-direction in those old people, which we can see now in countries like England is probably impractical and risky. Old people are supposed to self-isolate in England, but they are all walking around the supermarkets and talking to each other in the roads. Moreover, elderly homes are one of the main areas of infection in England.

    -

    If the government has prepared temporary isolation camps for old people - like the kind of housing in Japan for survivors of earthquakes - then the idea of "cocooning" old people while young people can develop "herd immunity", would seem more practical or less risky.

    This is a state capacity (like immediately giving every worker gas masks) which might have been possible in the later years in the USSR.

    Replies: @Swedish Family, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

  182. @128
    @Dmitry

    Plus herd immunity is not a sure thing either, you do not know how long immunity will last, or how reliable it is, or whether once you are infection, you can really fully flush the virus out of your system, or even whether all of the people who are infected to have the required level of antibodies to protect against reinfection, and there is basically no way to successfully isolate the elderly and vulnerable parts of the population, nor is socially desirable from a cohesion point of view. Well in fairness to the corona hoaxers in the right in must be psychologically very hard to start agreeing with the establishment when you have been instinctively trashing their view your whole life.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Swedish Family

    Plus herd immunity is not a sure thing either, you do not know how long immunity will last, or how reliable it is, or whether once you are infection, you can really fully flush the virus out of your system, or even whether all of the people who are infected to have the required level of antibodies to protect against reinfection, and there is basically no way to successfully isolate the elderly and vulnerable parts of the population, nor is socially desirable from a cohesion point of view.

    A hypothetical: If you knew back in February that the true fatality rate was, say, 0.005%, would you then still have supported a full lockdown? I suspect not. Your fears about herd immunity have some merit, but they surely aren’t grounds for grinding the world economy to a halt.

  183. @Swedish Family
    @Dmitry


    If the infection/reproduction rate of the virus is between 1,5-2,5 – then herd immunity will require between 3,4- 5,1 million Swedes to be infected. And with the Lancelet estimate, this would result in between 22440-40392 deaths in Sweden.

    I mean we can hope for lower numbers, but this is the current claims, and median age in Sweden is 41, so there’s no reason to be overconfident.

    What I expect is that deaths will not be so high in Sweden, but neither will anything like herd-immunity be achieved – i.e. insufficient numbers of people will be infected in Sweden to achieve herd immunity.
     
    Hmm, it seems you still don't get the basic idea.

    If only 5%, let's say, are vulnerable to covid-19 and 9/10 of these self-isolate until the virus spread lessens, the fatality rate will be very low even with many millions of infected. More than this, if you succeed in isolating this vulnerable group, you want the virus to spread briskly since this shortens both the agony for the isolated and the economic slump. This is why you see all those Stockholmers enjoying the weather.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I’m writing about this idea in the posts above (see the discussions about Bnei Brak).

    But Sweden is a country with an older demographic profile (median age – 41), so there will be probably too many old people for the state to evacuate or isolate. So, the proposal to isolate old people will require own self-direction in those old people, which we can see now in countries like England is probably impractical and risky. Old people are supposed to self-isolate in England, but they are all walking around the supermarkets and talking to each other in the roads. Moreover, elderly homes are one of the main areas of infection in England.

    If the government has prepared temporary isolation camps for old people – like the kind of housing in Japan for survivors of earthquakes – then the idea of “cocooning” old people while young people can develop “herd immunity”, would seem more practical or less risky.

    This is a state capacity (like immediately giving every worker gas masks) which might have been possible in the later years in the USSR.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
    @Dmitry


    So, the proposal to isolate old people will require own self-direction in those old people, which we can see now in countries like England is probably impractical and risky.
     
    It takes a responsible and well-informed citizenry, yes.

    I don't find England's prospects so bleak, by the way. For all we know, they might have had near-Swedish levels of spread. That's the view of our former state epidemiologist anyway.

    If the government has prepared temporary isolation camps for old people – like the kind of housing in Japan for survivors of earthquakes – then the idea of “cocooning” old people while young people can develop “herd immunity”, would seem more practical or less risky.
     
    That would indeed be more effective, but we have to weigh the lives it saves against the great violations and costs it brings.

    I find it sensible to leave this call to the vulnerable themselves: Want to be fully safe? Then stay away from others the coming 4-6 months. If not, that's also your right as a citizen.
    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @Dmitry

    BTW- I had no idea before, but it appears Sweden has by far the highest rate of single-person households .... than any other country in Europe, and probably the world. Over 50 percent.

    That has to have been a major part in the Swedish authorities policy calculations .
    Of course single households doesn't mean no lack of socialising or nobody else in the house... but it still has to massively reduce transmission rates.

    Sweden can easily afford to give every old or vulnerable person, masks for free, every day. They could probably have been one of the least infected countries in the world if they wanted, and while maintain the current policy of not closing the economy as much as others.

    That said, the herd immunity approach is alot more feasible in a country with such high levels of single-person households. In the medium-long term this could still be a winning policy.

  184. @128
    OT, but an interesting alternate history is that without the 1965 immigration act, Blacks would make up 20 percent of Americans today, without all those post 1965 Latin and Asian immigration, with Whites making up slightly less than 80 percent, and Los Angeles would probably end up with a Black majority without the Latinos driving them out in the 90s, how would a proportionally larger low functional Black underclass affect the US in this scenario, would probably make the US a lot less functional than it is now, unless you could get rid of all the Black people too? Key assumption is that nonwhite immigration pretty much does not exist due to no 1965 immigration act, but this has no effect on White fertility and you do not get increased white immigration from Europe to make up for it.

    Replies: @Jatt Arya, @ariel, @ariel, @Denis, @EldnahYm

    Black immigrants and their descendants are likely the main reason Black fertility isn’t lower than the White rate in the U.S. today. Liberals and their love of abortion on demand and hedonistic lifestyles have done a good job of reducing the Black population.

    It is unlikely that native White fertility was unaffected by increasing immigration. Affordable family formation is weakened by mass immigration.

    Dysfunction of heavily Black cities does not tend to harm Whites much. The question is how this dysfunction impacts black fertility in the U.S. This is an area worthy of research.

    It is possible to imagine a scenario where the 1965 immigration act occurred, as well as Ronald Reagan’s even worse policies, but without any Black immigrants. In that scenario you might indeed have had a massive decline of the Black population percentage relative to what actually occurred.

  185. @Blinky Bill
    @anonymous coward

    In 1582 the troops of Cossack ataman Yermak seized and ruined Qashliq. The ruined city was retaken by the Siberian Tatars in 1584 only to be lost forever in 1586. Qashliq is first mentioned in Russian sources of the 14th century.

    https://i.imgur.com/D3eEUXz.jpg

    Replies: @AP, @anonymous coward

    Qashliq, a.k.a. Isker, is near modern-day Tobolsk, 500 km or more from the nearest city in Northern Kazakhstan.

    Of course, for the ‘let me tell you about your country’ larper crowd we arr rook same, 500 km here, 500 km there, who cares, amirite?

    • Replies: @AP
    @anonymous coward

    At that point the discussion was about Siberia, so you were wrong.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

  186. @Dmitry
    @Swedish Family

    I'm writing about this idea in the posts above (see the discussions about Bnei Brak).

    But Sweden is a country with an older demographic profile (median age - 41), so there will be probably too many old people for the state to evacuate or isolate. So, the proposal to isolate old people will require own self-direction in those old people, which we can see now in countries like England is probably impractical and risky. Old people are supposed to self-isolate in England, but they are all walking around the supermarkets and talking to each other in the roads. Moreover, elderly homes are one of the main areas of infection in England.

    -

    If the government has prepared temporary isolation camps for old people - like the kind of housing in Japan for survivors of earthquakes - then the idea of "cocooning" old people while young people can develop "herd immunity", would seem more practical or less risky.

    This is a state capacity (like immediately giving every worker gas masks) which might have been possible in the later years in the USSR.

    Replies: @Swedish Family, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    So, the proposal to isolate old people will require own self-direction in those old people, which we can see now in countries like England is probably impractical and risky.

    It takes a responsible and well-informed citizenry, yes.

    I don’t find England’s prospects so bleak, by the way. For all we know, they might have had near-Swedish levels of spread. That’s the view of our former state epidemiologist anyway.

    If the government has prepared temporary isolation camps for old people – like the kind of housing in Japan for survivors of earthquakes – then the idea of “cocooning” old people while young people can develop “herd immunity”, would seem more practical or less risky.

    That would indeed be more effective, but we have to weigh the lives it saves against the great violations and costs it brings.

    I find it sensible to leave this call to the vulnerable themselves: Want to be fully safe? Then stay away from others the coming 4-6 months. If not, that’s also your right as a citizen.

  187. • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Truth


    Or you could just be really, really good at something…

     

    Not necessary at all !


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/11/03/gettyimages-163601734-9fecd7c0b1f21ae0dd4aca436d53d14bb8a54f76-s1300-c85.jpg
  188. @Truth
    Or you could just be really, really good at something...

    https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/13637120/roy-jones-jr-receives-russian-citizenship-vladimir-putin

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Or you could just be really, really good at something…

    Not necessary at all !

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Truth
  189. @anonymous coward
    @Blinky Bill

    Qashliq, a.k.a. Isker, is near modern-day Tobolsk, 500 km or more from the nearest city in Northern Kazakhstan.

    Of course, for the 'let me tell you about your country' larper crowd we arr rook same, 500 km here, 500 km there, who cares, amirite?

    Replies: @AP

    At that point the discussion was about Siberia, so you were wrong.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @AP

    Isker was built and populated by Siberian Tatars. Kazakhs and Siberian Tatars are completely different people, and Siberian Tatars never lived anywhere in modern Kazakhstan. Kazakhs were steppe nomads and didn't build any cities.

    As always, the North American cuckold plays his favorite game: sticking his head up his ass and blowing industrial-strength quantities of hot air.

    Replies: @AP

  190. @AP
    @anonymous coward

    At that point the discussion was about Siberia, so you were wrong.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    Isker was built and populated by Siberian Tatars. Kazakhs and Siberian Tatars are completely different people, and Siberian Tatars never lived anywhere in modern Kazakhstan. Kazakhs were steppe nomads and didn’t build any cities.

    As always, the North American cuckold plays his favorite game: sticking his head up his ass and blowing industrial-strength quantities of hot air.

    • Replies: @AP
    @anonymous coward


    Siberian Tatars never lived anywhere in modern Kazakhstan
     
    Blinky Bill wrote: "The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn’t Slavic either."

    You responded "Considering the fact that Russians were the first people to build cities there, yeah, it pretty much was."

    He them proved you wrong as usual by correctly identifying a city in Sibir that preceded Russian settlement. Russians were not the first people to build cities in Sibir, as you falsely claimed.


    Kazakhs and Siberian Tatars are completely different people
     
    LOL, even here you are wrong yet again.

    They both speak Kipchak languages (Siberian Tatar is closer to Kazakh than it is to Tatar from the Volga), both are Sunni Muslims, and both traditionally used Arabic script. Both of their states were offshoots of the Mongol Empire. So they are not "completely different people."

    Someone who can't get any letters correct has dyslexia. What does someone like you, who can't get any facts correct, have? The word Dysgnosia is already taken. You would be a good subject for a neuropsychological case study.

    Replies: @melanf, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

  191. AP says:
    @anonymous coward
    @AP

    Isker was built and populated by Siberian Tatars. Kazakhs and Siberian Tatars are completely different people, and Siberian Tatars never lived anywhere in modern Kazakhstan. Kazakhs were steppe nomads and didn't build any cities.

    As always, the North American cuckold plays his favorite game: sticking his head up his ass and blowing industrial-strength quantities of hot air.

    Replies: @AP

    Siberian Tatars never lived anywhere in modern Kazakhstan

    Blinky Bill wrote: “The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn’t Slavic either.”

    You responded “Considering the fact that Russians were the first people to build cities there, yeah, it pretty much was.”

    He them proved you wrong as usual by correctly identifying a city in Sibir that preceded Russian settlement. Russians were not the first people to build cities in Sibir, as you falsely claimed.

    Kazakhs and Siberian Tatars are completely different people

    LOL, even here you are wrong yet again.

    They both speak Kipchak languages (Siberian Tatar is closer to Kazakh than it is to Tatar from the Volga), both are Sunni Muslims, and both traditionally used Arabic script. Both of their states were offshoots of the Mongol Empire. So they are not “completely different people.”

    Someone who can’t get any letters correct has dyslexia. What does someone like you, who can’t get any facts correct, have? The word Dysgnosia is already taken. You would be a good subject for a neuropsychological case study.

    • LOL: Vishnugupta
    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    He them proved you wrong as usual by correctly identifying a city in Sibir that preceded Russian settlement.
     
    Of course, there were no cities in Siberia until the 18th century at least. The" capital " of the Siberian khanate can at best be called a town, not a city

    Replies: @AP

    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @AP

    HAHAHA- this is hilarious stupidity!

    You have a thorough intellectual as Anonymous Coward talking FACTS freely and spontaneously off his own mind on this unusual subject matter.... against yourself and this blinkety bill clown (sock puppet?) copying and pasting en masse from Wikipedia on a subject matter neither of you have any knowledge on or has thought of before! An embarrassing non-contest.

    1. It is hilarious you have been as useless to go down this route, given the embarrassing fact that "Ukraine" has absolutely no "Ukrainian" cities to claim as their own using this method of founding, building and expanding a settlement into a city! Almost as ridiculous and shameless as you doing your Austrian, Polish, Galician, East-Ukrainian, Chechen(?) BS alter-egos as part of some "plan" to waste time with superior people over pedantic things.

    2. This Bill account mentions Petropavlovsk-- LOL - that is no-go area for you given your language "lessons"

    3. At least Americans were secure and not braindead enough to pathetically rename all their cities and towns with French, Spanish or British names. You can compare this with Banderastan pointlessly renaming (or dictating the English spelling) of their Russian world cities.

    4. Which reminds me - I have officially decided to rename Kiev as New Saratov. This is because the standard or living in Kiev is just below Saratov(!!! LOL). Now Saratov has many fine things in its favour but for Kiev to go from 3rd most important city in USSR, key point in Russian civilisation.... to probably not even top 200th place richest cities of ex USSR (city as 100k people)... is a very sad disgrace. Lvov, for the same reasons, is now to be renamed New Karabulak (Ingushetia). Grozny is too luxurious by comparison for me to rename Lvov after it.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Blinky Bill

  192. @AP
    @anonymous coward


    Siberian Tatars never lived anywhere in modern Kazakhstan
     
    Blinky Bill wrote: "The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn’t Slavic either."

    You responded "Considering the fact that Russians were the first people to build cities there, yeah, it pretty much was."

    He them proved you wrong as usual by correctly identifying a city in Sibir that preceded Russian settlement. Russians were not the first people to build cities in Sibir, as you falsely claimed.


    Kazakhs and Siberian Tatars are completely different people
     
    LOL, even here you are wrong yet again.

    They both speak Kipchak languages (Siberian Tatar is closer to Kazakh than it is to Tatar from the Volga), both are Sunni Muslims, and both traditionally used Arabic script. Both of their states were offshoots of the Mongol Empire. So they are not "completely different people."

    Someone who can't get any letters correct has dyslexia. What does someone like you, who can't get any facts correct, have? The word Dysgnosia is already taken. You would be a good subject for a neuropsychological case study.

    Replies: @melanf, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    He them proved you wrong as usual by correctly identifying a city in Sibir that preceded Russian settlement.

    Of course, there were no cities in Siberia until the 18th century at least. The” capital ” of the Siberian khanate can at best be called a town, not a city

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf

    A city is simply a large or important town. Russian and English wiki described both capitals of the Siberian Khanate as cities:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimgi-Tura



    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%BA

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B8-%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0

    Replies: @melanf

  193. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    He them proved you wrong as usual by correctly identifying a city in Sibir that preceded Russian settlement.
     
    Of course, there were no cities in Siberia until the 18th century at least. The" capital " of the Siberian khanate can at best be called a town, not a city

    Replies: @AP

    A city is simply a large or important town. Russian and English wiki described both capitals of the Siberian Khanate as cities:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimgi-Tura

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%BA

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B8-%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0

    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    Russian and English wiki described both capitals of the Siberian Khanate as cities:
     
    In Russian there is no word "city" (in the sense in which this word exists in English). The" capital " of the Siberian khanate (a village with several thousand inhabitants at best) can not be considered a city

    Replies: @AP

  194. @AP
    @melanf

    A city is simply a large or important town. Russian and English wiki described both capitals of the Siberian Khanate as cities:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimgi-Tura



    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%BA

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B8-%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0

    Replies: @melanf

    Russian and English wiki described both capitals of the Siberian Khanate as cities:

    In Russian there is no word “city” (in the sense in which this word exists in English). The” capital ” of the Siberian khanate (a village with several thousand inhabitants at best) can not be considered a city

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf

    It is referred to as “gorod” in Russian Wikipedia and “city” in the English one.

    From Russian wiki:

    Кашлык (Сибирь, Сибир, Сибер, Ибер, Искер) — город, столица Сибирского ханства.. Город Искер возник ещё до монгольского нашествия...

    It was a capital with several thousand inhabitants, a market that apparently attracted Bukharan traders, and fortifications - so, a city, though probably not a large one.

    I understand that you are motivated to pretend that nothing existed there until the Russians appeared but it gets silly.

    Replies: @melanf

  195. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    Russian and English wiki described both capitals of the Siberian Khanate as cities:
     
    In Russian there is no word "city" (in the sense in which this word exists in English). The" capital " of the Siberian khanate (a village with several thousand inhabitants at best) can not be considered a city

    Replies: @AP

    It is referred to as “gorod” in Russian Wikipedia and “city” in the English one.

    From Russian wiki:

    Кашлык (Сибирь, Сибир, Сибер, Ибер, Искер) — город, столица Сибирского ханства.. Город Искер возник ещё до монгольского нашествия…

    It was a capital with several thousand inhabitants, a market that apparently attracted Bukharan traders, and fortifications – so, a city, though probably not a large one.

    I understand that you are motivated to pretend that nothing existed there until the Russians appeared but it gets silly.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    It is referred to as “gorod” in Russian Wikipedia and “city” in the English one. From Russian wiki:
    Кашлык (Сибирь, Сибир, Сибер, Ибер, Искер) — город
     
    Russian "gorod" it is equally a city and a town. For example, the town of Chekalin has a population of 800 people, but Chekalin nevertheless "gorod". Isker of the 16th century in contrast to Kazan was about the same "gorod" as Chekalin, otherwise it would have been impossible to lightning conquest of the Siberian khanate by a handful of pirates

    Here is the reconstruction of the Isker. If you think this is a city, I won't even comment

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    Replies: @AP

  196. @Dmitry
    @Swedish Family

    I'm writing about this idea in the posts above (see the discussions about Bnei Brak).

    But Sweden is a country with an older demographic profile (median age - 41), so there will be probably too many old people for the state to evacuate or isolate. So, the proposal to isolate old people will require own self-direction in those old people, which we can see now in countries like England is probably impractical and risky. Old people are supposed to self-isolate in England, but they are all walking around the supermarkets and talking to each other in the roads. Moreover, elderly homes are one of the main areas of infection in England.

    -

    If the government has prepared temporary isolation camps for old people - like the kind of housing in Japan for survivors of earthquakes - then the idea of "cocooning" old people while young people can develop "herd immunity", would seem more practical or less risky.

    This is a state capacity (like immediately giving every worker gas masks) which might have been possible in the later years in the USSR.

    Replies: @Swedish Family, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    BTW- I had no idea before, but it appears Sweden has by far the highest rate of single-person households …. than any other country in Europe, and probably the world. Over 50 percent.

    That has to have been a major part in the Swedish authorities policy calculations .
    Of course single households doesn’t mean no lack of socialising or nobody else in the house… but it still has to massively reduce transmission rates.

    Sweden can easily afford to give every old or vulnerable person, masks for free, every day. They could probably have been one of the least infected countries in the world if they wanted, and while maintain the current policy of not closing the economy as much as others.

    That said, the herd immunity approach is alot more feasible in a country with such high levels of single-person households. In the medium-long term this could still be a winning policy.

  197. @AP
    @melanf

    It is referred to as “gorod” in Russian Wikipedia and “city” in the English one.

    From Russian wiki:

    Кашлык (Сибирь, Сибир, Сибер, Ибер, Искер) — город, столица Сибирского ханства.. Город Искер возник ещё до монгольского нашествия...

    It was a capital with several thousand inhabitants, a market that apparently attracted Bukharan traders, and fortifications - so, a city, though probably not a large one.

    I understand that you are motivated to pretend that nothing existed there until the Russians appeared but it gets silly.

    Replies: @melanf

    It is referred to as “gorod” in Russian Wikipedia and “city” in the English one. From Russian wiki:
    Кашлык (Сибирь, Сибир, Сибер, Ибер, Искер) — город

    Russian “gorod” it is equally a city and a town. For example, the town of Chekalin has a population of 800 people, but Chekalin nevertheless “gorod”. Isker of the 16th century in contrast to Kazan was about the same “gorod” as Chekalin, otherwise it would have been impossible to lightning conquest of the Siberian khanate by a handful of pirates

    Here is the reconstruction of the Isker. If you think this is a city, I won’t even comment

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf

    Clearly the picture depicts a city.

    Do you even know what the word city means, in English?

    American Webster definition:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/city

    "an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village"

    Capital of Sibir khanate, several thousand inhabitants, fortified, with markets and mosques. Obviously a city, as the picture you posted shows.

    You earlier admitted that "in Russian there is no word “city” (in the sense in which this word exists in English)."

    Perhaps this explains why you fail to understand this concept "city" you have chosen to discuss for some reason (I suspect, driven by Russian svidomism).


    Isker of the 16th century in contrast to Kazan was about the same “gorod” as Chekalin otherwise it would have been impossible to lightning conquest of the Siberian khanate by a handful of pirates
     
    Wiki states the number of invaders were 540 Cossacks plus 300 German and Lithuanian slave laborers. Cortes came to Mexico with 640 Spaniard soldiers and a few hundred Cuban-Indian and African slaves. Pizarro came to Peru with 168 Spanish soldiers.

    By that standard, there were no cities in Mexico or Peru prior to Spanish conquest.

    Replies: @melanf

  198. @Just Passing Through
    @Anonymous (n)

    Doubt it, people from Africa and South Asia mainly come to the English speaking nations because of the British connection and they can speak English, albeit not very well. Russian is alien to these people and it doesn't even use Latin alphabet, knowing Russian is one of the requirements for citizenship, and the people from those nations will not learn Russian, just to live in a place with no welfare and gibs.

    This will mainly attract Central Asians it seems.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Russian migrants mainly came from Central Asia and Eastern Euro.

    Though there’s potential for mass migration from China too. It’s common for Chinese traders to cross the border to sell goods in the Russian Far East. There are an increasing number of intermarriages too, between Russian women and Chinese men. Given the shortage of men in much of EE and the growing affluence of male-biased China, I think you’ll far more intermarriage between EE women and Chinese men.

    I believe there are a tiny number of Subcons (~5-10K) in Russia, but they’re mainly temporary foreign students who are studying at cheap Russian medical schools. They don’t settle down. There’s a small community of Afghan refugees living in Moscow, who include a small Subcon merchant community of Sikh origin. However, they’re mostly in the UK now, with hardly a couple hundred left.

    I think there’s much more potential for Chinese migration into Russia, especially as China’s need for natural resources grows.

  199. @Vishnugupta
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Not strictly true in the UK Hindus and Sikhs usually support conservative and Muslims support Labour.

    Also there are Sikh/Hindu vigilante groups who go around threatening and beating up Paki grooming gangs all the time.

    BNP and other tough talking white groups talk a lot about alliance forming but on the street level they seem to lack the balls to say hold a knife over a grooming gangs leader's privates and threaten to make him loose a little weight in a certain awkward place if he even looks at a Hindu/Sikh girl again(very effective) which is Paki grooming gangs almost exclusively target white girls in the UK.

    Muslims only behave themselves if there is a balance of terror situation on the streets or in towns where there population is lesser than 5%.

    You will rarely see Indians discuss caste with non Indians but the first 5 mins of a group of Indian strangers meeting in any place including the west includes many dog whistle questions to classify each other in the caste region social status matrix.

    The Faggot of Ireland you are referring to is half white and raised a catholic.his surname ends with kar which means his father is Marathi(Maharashtra state now) and likely upper caste(though not completely certain)

    The corresponding caste of some Indian surnames are obvious Sharma means Brahmin; Gupta,Agarwal means Vaishya(merchant caste) some surnames specify region/subcomunity Banerjee means Bengali Kulin Brahmin some just caste and sub community Kedia means Marwari merchant caste etc..

    Some surnames are likely upper caste but not completely certain because they specify the fact that you are a landowner (but not your genealogy )which usually mean upper caste..then there are some like Kumar which can be anything..

    It is all very complicated and there are elaborate conventions of what to ask and what not while zeroing in on someone's caste...it is basically impossible for a non Indian to understand this..

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    BNP and other tough talking white groups talk a lot about alliance forming but on the street level they seem to lack the balls to say hold a knife over a grooming gangs leader’s privates and threaten to make him loose a little weight in a certain awkward place if he even looks at a Hindu/Sikh girl again(very effective) which is Paki grooming gangs almost exclusively target white girls in the UK.

    There are some Whites who try to inflict violence against the Paki/Muslim gangs, but the British govt (which is controlled by pro-immigration Jews like Barbara Roche, Peter Mandelson, etc.) have been openly repressing and jailing them for years. British media (which is also run by Jews) portrays White British militia men as “evil.”

    Meanwhile, most of the British public is addicted to ‘bread and circuses.’ They’d rather watch soccer/football and drink at the pub, not take interest in the future of the country.

    By controlling the levers of power (politicians, courts, bureaucracy, media, entertainment), Jews control what happens in Western countries. The White Gentile masses are powerless. The institutions that their ancestors built are used against them.

    White Gentiles are extremely adept at building strong and functional institutions. The irony is that when these institutions fall in the hands of antagonistic outsiders (like Jews), the effectiveness of the institutions becomes a huge disadvantage.

    Whites need to learn to fight back, but they generally don’t. One reason is because a lot of them are soft and frivolous, a product of generations of easy living. They’d rather live the good life (tv, sports, shopping, eating out) than take their civic duties seriously. Another reason is that Whites are too individualistic and socially atomized, so they’re no longer capable of large-scale coordinated group action.

    A few Whites do fight back (EDL, BNP, National Front), but they get their lives ruined by the govt. Just look at what has been done to Tommy Robinson.

    Lots of anti-Muslim Whites (in both the UK and US) end up joining the military because they want to go to the Middle East and kill people. However, that just ends up serving the security interests of Israel, not the West.

    Britain (like most Western countries) has a hollowed out economy that’s heavily reliant on debt spending and financialization. If Britain ever experiences a severe debt or economic crisis, that could topple the high standard of living and lead towards a breakdown in the state. Once the state is no longer functional, its ability to repress White British militias will be compromised. At that point, Jews won’t have the sway they once did, so you’ll probably begin to see White militias start to assert themselves.

    So I don’t see the current situation continuing forever. We shall live in interesting times.

    • Replies: @Tony
    @JohnnyWalker123

    nigga please

  200. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    It is referred to as “gorod” in Russian Wikipedia and “city” in the English one. From Russian wiki:
    Кашлык (Сибирь, Сибир, Сибер, Ибер, Искер) — город
     
    Russian "gorod" it is equally a city and a town. For example, the town of Chekalin has a population of 800 people, but Chekalin nevertheless "gorod". Isker of the 16th century in contrast to Kazan was about the same "gorod" as Chekalin, otherwise it would have been impossible to lightning conquest of the Siberian khanate by a handful of pirates

    Here is the reconstruction of the Isker. If you think this is a city, I won't even comment

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    Replies: @AP

    Clearly the picture depicts a city.

    Do you even know what the word city means, in English?

    American Webster definition:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/city

    “an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village”

    Capital of Sibir khanate, several thousand inhabitants, fortified, with markets and mosques. Obviously a city, as the picture you posted shows.

    You earlier admitted that “in Russian there is no word “city” (in the sense in which this word exists in English).”

    Perhaps this explains why you fail to understand this concept “city” you have chosen to discuss for some reason (I suspect, driven by Russian svidomism).

    Isker of the 16th century in contrast to Kazan was about the same “gorod” as Chekalin otherwise it would have been impossible to lightning conquest of the Siberian khanate by a handful of pirates

    Wiki states the number of invaders were 540 Cossacks plus 300 German and Lithuanian slave laborers. Cortes came to Mexico with 640 Spaniard soldiers and a few hundred Cuban-Indian and African slaves. Pizarro came to Peru with 168 Spanish soldiers.

    By that standard, there were no cities in Mexico or Peru prior to Spanish conquest.

    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    “an inhabited place of greater size, population,

    or importance
     
    than a town or village”
     
    So the Solovetsky monastery is a city? Well, funny.
    Then there are cities in Siberia since the Paleolithic period, no doubt

    Wiki states the number of invaders were 540 Cossacks plus 300 German and Lithuanian slave laborers Cortes came to....
     
    "300 slave laborers" - this is an exceptionally stupid fiction even for Wikipedia.

    Cortes here is a completely false analogy, the Tatars can not be equated with the Aztecs who lived in the stone age. The conquest of Kazan required the actions of the main forces of the Russian Kingdom (tens of thousands of soldiers, siege artillery, etc.) for several years. The Siberian khanate was conquered by 500 pirates.

    Replies: @AP

  201. I think that its time for melanf to explain why he’s splitting hairs with AP about the definition of a city vs a town? Otherwise, we could have the start of a marathon here that continues for another 37 comments. 🙂

    Which is Okay.

  202. @AP
    @melanf

    Clearly the picture depicts a city.

    Do you even know what the word city means, in English?

    American Webster definition:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/city

    "an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village"

    Capital of Sibir khanate, several thousand inhabitants, fortified, with markets and mosques. Obviously a city, as the picture you posted shows.

    You earlier admitted that "in Russian there is no word “city” (in the sense in which this word exists in English)."

    Perhaps this explains why you fail to understand this concept "city" you have chosen to discuss for some reason (I suspect, driven by Russian svidomism).


    Isker of the 16th century in contrast to Kazan was about the same “gorod” as Chekalin otherwise it would have been impossible to lightning conquest of the Siberian khanate by a handful of pirates
     
    Wiki states the number of invaders were 540 Cossacks plus 300 German and Lithuanian slave laborers. Cortes came to Mexico with 640 Spaniard soldiers and a few hundred Cuban-Indian and African slaves. Pizarro came to Peru with 168 Spanish soldiers.

    By that standard, there were no cities in Mexico or Peru prior to Spanish conquest.

    Replies: @melanf

    “an inhabited place of greater size, population,

    or importance

    than a town or village”

    So the Solovetsky monastery is a city? Well, funny.
    Then there are cities in Siberia since the Paleolithic period, no doubt

    Wiki states the number of invaders were 540 Cossacks plus 300 German and Lithuanian slave laborers Cortes came to….

    “300 slave laborers” – this is an exceptionally stupid fiction even for Wikipedia.

    Cortes here is a completely false analogy, the Tatars can not be equated with the Aztecs who lived in the stone age. The conquest of Kazan required the actions of the main forces of the Russian Kingdom (tens of thousands of soldiers, siege artillery, etc.) for several years. The Siberian khanate was conquered by 500 pirates.

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf


    So the Solovetsky monastery is a city? Well, funny.
     
    What's funny is that you do not know, or pretend not to know, what a city is. The Webster definition of "city" embeds that word in the context of the words "town" or "village." A city is like a town or village, but larger, more populated, or more important than a town or village. Perhaps you do not understand those words or concepts "town" or "village" in English, either?

    So to further your education, a monastery, or concentration camp, are not cities even of they are inhabited and important.

    You posted an obvious picture of a medieval city, the Siberian capital city Qashliq, and claimed it isn't a city:

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    You claimed there is no such concept "city" in your language. Well, you have done a good job proving that there isn't, because you don't understand the concept.

    Cortes here is a completely false analogy, the Tatars can not be equated with the Aztecs who lived in the stone age.
     
    And the Aztecs numbered in the millions; their capital city (you will argue it wasn't one due to the low number of Spaniards who captured it) was as populated as Madrid while the Siberian capital city had only a few thousand inhabitants. Yet only a hundred more Spanish "pirates" conquered this empire that had orders of magnitude larger population.

    And then there was the Inca Empire. Population 10 million. Conquered by Pizarro with less than 200 Spaniards! Clearly there were no cities there, right? Russian svidomist history is awesome!

    The conquest of Kazan required the actions of the main forces of the Russian Kingdom (tens of thousands of soldiers, siege artillery, etc.) for several years
     
    Did you know that Kazan was a much larger city than was Qashliq, and that unlike the Siberian Tatars who were poorly armed and disorganized (their allies abandoned them), the Kazan Khanate was a fairly well-armed state?

    The Siberian khanate was conquered by 500 pirates.
     
    Russian wiki says 500 Volga Cossacks were the core of the invasion force but that it also included Germans and Lithuanians. It also noted that Moscow sent an additional 500 streltsy (musketmen) as reinforcements.

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru, there is nothing strange about 1,000 or so well-armed 16th century Russians conquering the Siberian khanate which had a few cannons but was mostly equipped with bows and arrows and which only had a fraction of the population that the Aztec and Inca Empires had.

    Replies: @melanf, @melanf

  203. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    “an inhabited place of greater size, population,

    or importance
     
    than a town or village”
     
    So the Solovetsky monastery is a city? Well, funny.
    Then there are cities in Siberia since the Paleolithic period, no doubt

    Wiki states the number of invaders were 540 Cossacks plus 300 German and Lithuanian slave laborers Cortes came to....
     
    "300 slave laborers" - this is an exceptionally stupid fiction even for Wikipedia.

    Cortes here is a completely false analogy, the Tatars can not be equated with the Aztecs who lived in the stone age. The conquest of Kazan required the actions of the main forces of the Russian Kingdom (tens of thousands of soldiers, siege artillery, etc.) for several years. The Siberian khanate was conquered by 500 pirates.

    Replies: @AP

    So the Solovetsky monastery is a city? Well, funny.

    What’s funny is that you do not know, or pretend not to know, what a city is. The Webster definition of “city” embeds that word in the context of the words “town” or “village.” A city is like a town or village, but larger, more populated, or more important than a town or village. Perhaps you do not understand those words or concepts “town” or “village” in English, either?

    So to further your education, a monastery, or concentration camp, are not cities even of they are inhabited and important.

    You posted an obvious picture of a medieval city, the Siberian capital city Qashliq, and claimed it isn’t a city:

    You claimed there is no such concept “city” in your language. Well, you have done a good job proving that there isn’t, because you don’t understand the concept.

    Cortes here is a completely false analogy, the Tatars can not be equated with the Aztecs who lived in the stone age.

    And the Aztecs numbered in the millions; their capital city (you will argue it wasn’t one due to the low number of Spaniards who captured it) was as populated as Madrid while the Siberian capital city had only a few thousand inhabitants. Yet only a hundred more Spanish “pirates” conquered this empire that had orders of magnitude larger population.

    And then there was the Inca Empire. Population 10 million. Conquered by Pizarro with less than 200 Spaniards! Clearly there were no cities there, right? Russian svidomist history is awesome!

    The conquest of Kazan required the actions of the main forces of the Russian Kingdom (tens of thousands of soldiers, siege artillery, etc.) for several years

    Did you know that Kazan was a much larger city than was Qashliq, and that unlike the Siberian Tatars who were poorly armed and disorganized (their allies abandoned them), the Kazan Khanate was a fairly well-armed state?

    The Siberian khanate was conquered by 500 pirates.

    Russian wiki says 500 Volga Cossacks were the core of the invasion force but that it also included Germans and Lithuanians. It also noted that Moscow sent an additional 500 streltsy (musketmen) as reinforcements.

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru, there is nothing strange about 1,000 or so well-armed 16th century Russians conquering the Siberian khanate which had a few cannons but was mostly equipped with bows and arrows and which only had a fraction of the population that the Aztec and Inca Empires had.

    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    What’s funny is that you do not know, or pretend not to know, what a city is.
     
    Fortunately you enlightened me
    A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village

    This is the definition from your post # 201. The definition is absolutely clear - not only any famous monastery according to this definition is an undoubted city, but also (for example) the famous Denisova and Kapova Cave where mammoth hunters lived, is also a city.
    https://rbsmi.ru/upload/iblock/40d/40d76110469fc64674feab1725ea56cb.jpg
    No doubt, according to this definition, the first cities ( "inhabited place of greater importance") appeared in Siberia at least 30,000 years ago.

    But given that Wikipedia is the main source of knowledge for you, you can see what Wikipedia writes

    "A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks"

    According to this definition, the capital of the Siberian khanate was not a city, and there were no cities in Siberia until at least the 18th century

    Replies: @AP

    , @melanf
    @AP


    Russian wiki says 500 Volga Cossacks were the core of the invasion force but that it also included Germans and Lithuanians.
     
    According to one source, Yermak and his pirates forcibly took the necessary supplies from the Stroganovs, after which, on their own initiative, they sailed to conquer Siberia. In this case, the number of pirates was 500-600 fighters.

    According to other Chronicles (compiled under the patronage of the Stroganovs), the conquest was organized by the Stroganovs who gave Yermak an additional detachment of soldiers from among the captured "Lithuanians and Germans". These were certainly not" slaves " but troops defending the Stroganov trading posts / saltworks. Then Yermak's detachment numbered about a thousand fighters. The second version is usually considered a late invention of the Stroganovs.

    In any case, 500 or a 1000 pirates-this does not change the essence of the case. If Kashlyk / Isker were a city like Kazan, it would be impossible to conquer it with such insignificant forces

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru
     
    This is a completely meaningless comparison. Compare the Siberian khanate with Kazan, the Crimean khanate, the Bashkirs, etc.

    Replies: @AP

  204. @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    In China my encounters with a small handful of people from the Baltic states can be generalized as Estonia – Sophisticated people; Latvia- Nice girls; Lithuania – Angry men.
     
    btw, how did they express that anger - were they shouting at waiters or kicking things at the hotel etc.? Or were just walking around with grumpy faces all the time?

    https://imgur.com/gallery/z5rYv

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way

    I just have two anecdotes. One dude made an outburst at a bar and another dude I bumped into a few times at formal social occasions had a fuck you attitude.

  205. @AP
    @melanf


    So the Solovetsky monastery is a city? Well, funny.
     
    What's funny is that you do not know, or pretend not to know, what a city is. The Webster definition of "city" embeds that word in the context of the words "town" or "village." A city is like a town or village, but larger, more populated, or more important than a town or village. Perhaps you do not understand those words or concepts "town" or "village" in English, either?

    So to further your education, a monastery, or concentration camp, are not cities even of they are inhabited and important.

    You posted an obvious picture of a medieval city, the Siberian capital city Qashliq, and claimed it isn't a city:

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    You claimed there is no such concept "city" in your language. Well, you have done a good job proving that there isn't, because you don't understand the concept.

    Cortes here is a completely false analogy, the Tatars can not be equated with the Aztecs who lived in the stone age.
     
    And the Aztecs numbered in the millions; their capital city (you will argue it wasn't one due to the low number of Spaniards who captured it) was as populated as Madrid while the Siberian capital city had only a few thousand inhabitants. Yet only a hundred more Spanish "pirates" conquered this empire that had orders of magnitude larger population.

    And then there was the Inca Empire. Population 10 million. Conquered by Pizarro with less than 200 Spaniards! Clearly there were no cities there, right? Russian svidomist history is awesome!

    The conquest of Kazan required the actions of the main forces of the Russian Kingdom (tens of thousands of soldiers, siege artillery, etc.) for several years
     
    Did you know that Kazan was a much larger city than was Qashliq, and that unlike the Siberian Tatars who were poorly armed and disorganized (their allies abandoned them), the Kazan Khanate was a fairly well-armed state?

    The Siberian khanate was conquered by 500 pirates.
     
    Russian wiki says 500 Volga Cossacks were the core of the invasion force but that it also included Germans and Lithuanians. It also noted that Moscow sent an additional 500 streltsy (musketmen) as reinforcements.

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru, there is nothing strange about 1,000 or so well-armed 16th century Russians conquering the Siberian khanate which had a few cannons but was mostly equipped with bows and arrows and which only had a fraction of the population that the Aztec and Inca Empires had.

    Replies: @melanf, @melanf

    What’s funny is that you do not know, or pretend not to know, what a city is.

    Fortunately you enlightened me
    A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village

    This is the definition from your post # 201. The definition is absolutely clear – not only any famous monastery according to this definition is an undoubted city, but also (for example) the famous Denisova and Kapova Cave where mammoth hunters lived, is also a city.

    No doubt, according to this definition, the first cities ( “inhabited place of greater importance”) appeared in Siberia at least 30,000 years ago.

    But given that Wikipedia is the main source of knowledge for you, you can see what Wikipedia writes

    A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks

    According to this definition, the capital of the Siberian khanate was not a city, and there were no cities in Siberia until at least the 18th century

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf


    “A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village”

    This is the definition from your post # 201.
     
    That is the definition according to Webster, the authoritative source of the American English language:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/city

    The definition is absolutely clear – not only any famous monastery according to this definition
     
    No, the definition clearly places cities within the context of towns or villages.

    So monasteries, concentration camps, etc. do not count.

    Once again you demonstrate that you do not understand the words "towns" or "villages" in English, either.

    But given that Wikipedia is the main source of knowledge for you, you can see what Wikipedia writes

    “A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks”

    According to this definition, the capital of the Siberian khanate was not a city
     
    It was a permanent settlement (until the Russians destroyed it) rather than, say, a large number of tents. It was densely settled. Its members weren't primarily agricultural. It had markets (where Bashkir traders came), mosques and as the capital of the Siberian Khanate, some administrators.

    It was an obvious medieval city:

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    If, after this discussion, you have learned the English-language concepts of "city", "town" and "village" it has been a productive series of posts.

    and there were no cities in Siberia until at least the 18th century
     
    Russian svidomism at its best.

    Replies: @melanf

  206. @AP
    @melanf


    So the Solovetsky monastery is a city? Well, funny.
     
    What's funny is that you do not know, or pretend not to know, what a city is. The Webster definition of "city" embeds that word in the context of the words "town" or "village." A city is like a town or village, but larger, more populated, or more important than a town or village. Perhaps you do not understand those words or concepts "town" or "village" in English, either?

    So to further your education, a monastery, or concentration camp, are not cities even of they are inhabited and important.

    You posted an obvious picture of a medieval city, the Siberian capital city Qashliq, and claimed it isn't a city:

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    You claimed there is no such concept "city" in your language. Well, you have done a good job proving that there isn't, because you don't understand the concept.

    Cortes here is a completely false analogy, the Tatars can not be equated with the Aztecs who lived in the stone age.
     
    And the Aztecs numbered in the millions; their capital city (you will argue it wasn't one due to the low number of Spaniards who captured it) was as populated as Madrid while the Siberian capital city had only a few thousand inhabitants. Yet only a hundred more Spanish "pirates" conquered this empire that had orders of magnitude larger population.

    And then there was the Inca Empire. Population 10 million. Conquered by Pizarro with less than 200 Spaniards! Clearly there were no cities there, right? Russian svidomist history is awesome!

    The conquest of Kazan required the actions of the main forces of the Russian Kingdom (tens of thousands of soldiers, siege artillery, etc.) for several years
     
    Did you know that Kazan was a much larger city than was Qashliq, and that unlike the Siberian Tatars who were poorly armed and disorganized (their allies abandoned them), the Kazan Khanate was a fairly well-armed state?

    The Siberian khanate was conquered by 500 pirates.
     
    Russian wiki says 500 Volga Cossacks were the core of the invasion force but that it also included Germans and Lithuanians. It also noted that Moscow sent an additional 500 streltsy (musketmen) as reinforcements.

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru, there is nothing strange about 1,000 or so well-armed 16th century Russians conquering the Siberian khanate which had a few cannons but was mostly equipped with bows and arrows and which only had a fraction of the population that the Aztec and Inca Empires had.

    Replies: @melanf, @melanf

    Russian wiki says 500 Volga Cossacks were the core of the invasion force but that it also included Germans and Lithuanians.

    According to one source, Yermak and his pirates forcibly took the necessary supplies from the Stroganovs, after which, on their own initiative, they sailed to conquer Siberia. In this case, the number of pirates was 500-600 fighters.

    According to other Chronicles (compiled under the patronage of the Stroganovs), the conquest was organized by the Stroganovs who gave Yermak an additional detachment of soldiers from among the captured “Lithuanians and Germans”. These were certainly not” slaves ” but troops defending the Stroganov trading posts / saltworks. Then Yermak’s detachment numbered about a thousand fighters. The second version is usually considered a late invention of the Stroganovs.

    In any case, 500 or a 1000 pirates-this does not change the essence of the case. If Kashlyk / Isker were a city like Kazan, it would be impossible to conquer it with such insignificant forces

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru

    This is a completely meaningless comparison. Compare the Siberian khanate with Kazan, the Crimean khanate, the Bashkirs, etc.

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf


    If Kashlyk / Isker were a city like Kazan, it would be impossible to conquer it with such insignificant forces
     
    No one said it was "a city like Kazan." Kiev in the 12th century was not a "city like Constantinople." Chernihiv was not "a city like Kiev." They were still cities.

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru

    This is a completely meaningless comparison. Compare the Siberian khanate with Kazan, the Crimean khanate, the Bashkirs, etc.
     
    No it is not. If less than 200 Spaniards could conquer an empire of 10 million, 500 well-armed Russians plus another few hundred Germans and Lithuanians could conquer a Khanate with a population of several 10,000s.
  207. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    What’s funny is that you do not know, or pretend not to know, what a city is.
     
    Fortunately you enlightened me
    A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village

    This is the definition from your post # 201. The definition is absolutely clear - not only any famous monastery according to this definition is an undoubted city, but also (for example) the famous Denisova and Kapova Cave where mammoth hunters lived, is also a city.
    https://rbsmi.ru/upload/iblock/40d/40d76110469fc64674feab1725ea56cb.jpg
    No doubt, according to this definition, the first cities ( "inhabited place of greater importance") appeared in Siberia at least 30,000 years ago.

    But given that Wikipedia is the main source of knowledge for you, you can see what Wikipedia writes

    "A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks"

    According to this definition, the capital of the Siberian khanate was not a city, and there were no cities in Siberia until at least the 18th century

    Replies: @AP

    “A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village”

    This is the definition from your post # 201.

    That is the definition according to Webster, the authoritative source of the American English language:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/city

    The definition is absolutely clear – not only any famous monastery according to this definition

    No, the definition clearly places cities within the context of towns or villages.

    So monasteries, concentration camps, etc. do not count.

    Once again you demonstrate that you do not understand the words “towns” or “villages” in English, either.

    But given that Wikipedia is the main source of knowledge for you, you can see what Wikipedia writes

    “A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks”

    According to this definition, the capital of the Siberian khanate was not a city

    It was a permanent settlement (until the Russians destroyed it) rather than, say, a large number of tents. It was densely settled. Its members weren’t primarily agricultural. It had markets (where Bashkir traders came), mosques and as the capital of the Siberian Khanate, some administrators.

    It was an obvious medieval city:

    If, after this discussion, you have learned the English-language concepts of “city”, “town” and “village” it has been a productive series of posts.

    and there were no cities in Siberia until at least the 18th century

    Russian svidomism at its best.

    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    “A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village”
    That is the definition according to Webster. the definition clearly places cities within the context of towns or villages. So monasteries, concentration camps, etc. do not count.
     
    A perfectly clear definition. Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town. That is the city according to your/Webster's definition. Isker then of course is also a city. Such definition.

    “A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks”
     
    The definition of your favorite Wikipedia.
    Isker was not large (see reconstruction) and was not densely populated (see reconstruction). Accordingly, it was not a city according to the definition of Wikipedia. The position" members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks " Isker probably also did not match, but I will not insist.

    Replies: @AP

  208. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    Russian wiki says 500 Volga Cossacks were the core of the invasion force but that it also included Germans and Lithuanians.
     
    According to one source, Yermak and his pirates forcibly took the necessary supplies from the Stroganovs, after which, on their own initiative, they sailed to conquer Siberia. In this case, the number of pirates was 500-600 fighters.

    According to other Chronicles (compiled under the patronage of the Stroganovs), the conquest was organized by the Stroganovs who gave Yermak an additional detachment of soldiers from among the captured "Lithuanians and Germans". These were certainly not" slaves " but troops defending the Stroganov trading posts / saltworks. Then Yermak's detachment numbered about a thousand fighters. The second version is usually considered a late invention of the Stroganovs.

    In any case, 500 or a 1000 pirates-this does not change the essence of the case. If Kashlyk / Isker were a city like Kazan, it would be impossible to conquer it with such insignificant forces

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru
     
    This is a completely meaningless comparison. Compare the Siberian khanate with Kazan, the Crimean khanate, the Bashkirs, etc.

    Replies: @AP

    If Kashlyk / Isker were a city like Kazan, it would be impossible to conquer it with such insignificant forces

    No one said it was “a city like Kazan.” Kiev in the 12th century was not a “city like Constantinople.” Chernihiv was not “a city like Kiev.” They were still cities.

    If 640 well-armed, experienced 16th century Europeans can conquer a stone-age empire of many millions in Mexico, and if less than 200 (!) could conquer an empire of 10 million in Peru

    This is a completely meaningless comparison. Compare the Siberian khanate with Kazan, the Crimean khanate, the Bashkirs, etc.

    No it is not. If less than 200 Spaniards could conquer an empire of 10 million, 500 well-armed Russians plus another few hundred Germans and Lithuanians could conquer a Khanate with a population of several 10,000s.

  209. @AP
    @melanf


    “A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village”

    This is the definition from your post # 201.
     
    That is the definition according to Webster, the authoritative source of the American English language:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/city

    The definition is absolutely clear – not only any famous monastery according to this definition
     
    No, the definition clearly places cities within the context of towns or villages.

    So monasteries, concentration camps, etc. do not count.

    Once again you demonstrate that you do not understand the words "towns" or "villages" in English, either.

    But given that Wikipedia is the main source of knowledge for you, you can see what Wikipedia writes

    “A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks”

    According to this definition, the capital of the Siberian khanate was not a city
     
    It was a permanent settlement (until the Russians destroyed it) rather than, say, a large number of tents. It was densely settled. Its members weren't primarily agricultural. It had markets (where Bashkir traders came), mosques and as the capital of the Siberian Khanate, some administrators.

    It was an obvious medieval city:

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    If, after this discussion, you have learned the English-language concepts of "city", "town" and "village" it has been a productive series of posts.

    and there were no cities in Siberia until at least the 18th century
     
    Russian svidomism at its best.

    Replies: @melanf

    “A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village”
    That is the definition according to Webster. the definition clearly places cities within the context of towns or villages. So monasteries, concentration camps, etc. do not count.

    A perfectly clear definition. Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town. That is the city according to your/Webster’s definition. Isker then of course is also a city. Such definition.

    “A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks”

    The definition of your favorite Wikipedia.
    Isker was not large (see reconstruction) and was not densely populated (see reconstruction). Accordingly, it was not a city according to the definition of Wikipedia. The position” members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks ” Isker probably also did not match, but I will not insist.

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf


    A perfectly clear definition
     
    It is, except for you.

    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.
     
    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.

    Perhaps you are also unfamiliar with the English idea of "monastery?" as you are with "city?"

    That is the city according to your/Webster’s definition.
     
    Only if you are utterly unfamiliar with most of the words in that definition and/or are unable to use context or logic.

    Replies: @melanf

  210. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    “A city is an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village”
    That is the definition according to Webster. the definition clearly places cities within the context of towns or villages. So monasteries, concentration camps, etc. do not count.
     
    A perfectly clear definition. Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town. That is the city according to your/Webster's definition. Isker then of course is also a city. Such definition.

    “A city is a large human settlement. It can be defined as a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks”
     
    The definition of your favorite Wikipedia.
    Isker was not large (see reconstruction) and was not densely populated (see reconstruction). Accordingly, it was not a city according to the definition of Wikipedia. The position" members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks " Isker probably also did not match, but I will not insist.

    Replies: @AP

    A perfectly clear definition

    It is, except for you.

    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.

    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.

    Perhaps you are also unfamiliar with the English idea of “monastery?” as you are with “city?”

    That is the city according to your/Webster’s definition.

    Only if you are utterly unfamiliar with most of the words in that definition and/or are unable to use context or logic.

    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.

    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.
     
    Solovetsky monastery is 100% corresponds to the definition of city of Webster/You . If you want another example , the village where the Zulu king lived was more important than the rest of the Zulu village. By your definition, this village is a city. This is an exact analogy of Isker.

    Chernihiv was not “a city like Kiev.” They were still cities
     
    Maybe Kiev was city, but definitely not Chernihiv (fortified village).

    Replies: @AP

  211. @AP
    @melanf


    A perfectly clear definition
     
    It is, except for you.

    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.
     
    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.

    Perhaps you are also unfamiliar with the English idea of "monastery?" as you are with "city?"

    That is the city according to your/Webster’s definition.
     
    Only if you are utterly unfamiliar with most of the words in that definition and/or are unable to use context or logic.

    Replies: @melanf

    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.

    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.

    Solovetsky monastery is 100% corresponds to the definition of city of Webster/You . If you want another example , the village where the Zulu king lived was more important than the rest of the Zulu village. By your definition, this village is a city. This is an exact analogy of Isker.

    Chernihiv was not “a city like Kiev.” They were still cities

    Maybe Kiev was city, but definitely not Chernihiv (fortified village).

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf


    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.

    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.

    Solovetsky monastery is 100% corresponds to the definition of city of Webster/You
     

    Again, it does not because it's a different category. A populated and important concentration camp is also not a city.

    Webster places the definition of "city" within the context of "town" or "village."


    If you want another example , the village where the Zulu king lived was more important than the rest of the Zulu village. By your definition, this village is a city. This is an exact analogy of Isker.
     
    This is Isker:

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    I'm not familiar with the Zulus. If their capital was like that, it was a city. If it was impermanent tents or huts then it was not. Apparently it was an impermanent encampment. It was founded in 1873 and burned down by the British six years later. So it was not a city. However pre-colonial Africans did have a few cities, such as Timbuktu or Great Zimbabwe.


    Chernihiv was not “a city like Kiev.” They were still cities

    Maybe Kiev was city, but definitely not Chernihiv (fortified village).
     

    Chernihiv was the capital city of a principality. Even though it was not built by Great Russians, it was obviously a city. Chernihiv:

    https://i.imgur.com/gZ27x33.jpg

    Replies: @melanf

  212. @128
    And if herd immunity is not complete they are going to be forced to lock down again anyway once air travel fully opens and you have people from India or Africa travel to Sweden with different strains of the virus that herd immunity does not protect against, in contrast the Chinese have basically come up with a vaccine that protects against all known strains. And coronavirus may basically solve Queenstown's over tourism problem and make it more like it was in the 80s and 90s.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2019/12/queenstown-wanaka-locals-say-area-can-t-keep-up-with-increasing-tourist-numbers.html

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Why would they be “forced” to lock down?

    Where is the evidence that this is much worse than a typical flu for people who are neither quite elderly (75-plus) nor afflicted with a serious comorbidity (like extreme obesity, uncontrolled hypertension, or preexisting COPD or other respiratory condition)?

    What’s the death rate per 1,000 population in the USA, Sweden, etc., in 2020 thus far compared to the same period in recent prior years? (In fairness, the lockdown seems to have reduced vehicular accidents and fatalities. Therefore, we should probably consider deaths from causes other than vehicular accident.)

    More specifically, how many people in each country died with the alleged cause of death being flu and viruses in toto each year?

  213. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.

    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.
     
    Solovetsky monastery is 100% corresponds to the definition of city of Webster/You . If you want another example , the village where the Zulu king lived was more important than the rest of the Zulu village. By your definition, this village is a city. This is an exact analogy of Isker.

    Chernihiv was not “a city like Kiev.” They were still cities
     
    Maybe Kiev was city, but definitely not Chernihiv (fortified village).

    Replies: @AP

    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.

    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.

    Solovetsky monastery is 100% corresponds to the definition of city of Webster/You

    Again, it does not because it’s a different category. A populated and important concentration camp is also not a city.

    Webster places the definition of “city” within the context of “town” or “village.”

    If you want another example , the village where the Zulu king lived was more important than the rest of the Zulu village. By your definition, this village is a city. This is an exact analogy of Isker.

    This is Isker:

    I’m not familiar with the Zulus. If their capital was like that, it was a city. If it was impermanent tents or huts then it was not. Apparently it was an impermanent encampment. It was founded in 1873 and burned down by the British six years later. So it was not a city. However pre-colonial Africans did have a few cities, such as Timbuktu or Great Zimbabwe.

    Chernihiv was not “a city like Kiev.” They were still cities

    Maybe Kiev was city, but definitely not Chernihiv (fortified village).

    Chernihiv was the capital city of a principality. Even though it was not built by Great Russians, it was obviously a city. Chernihiv:

    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    Chernihiv was the capital city of a principality.
     
    And at the same time Chernihiv was a fortified village (like Isker), which can be seen from the reconstruction that you gave

    Apparently it was an impermanent encampment.
     
    Why is that? The Zulus were not nomads; their villages were permanent

    Replies: @AP

  214. The dispute about what is a city? illustrates one of the main problems with words: many words have no precise, unambiguous definition that works in all cases everywhere over time, unlike numbers, which have a fixed value at all times in all places, but not necessarily a fixed significance, so a small city/large town with a population of 60,000 today is nothing. There are 100s if not 1000s of such places on the planet, but 1,000 or 2,000 years ago, a city of 60,000 would be uncommon and might even be considered a metropolis of its day.

    In English, there is a general hierarchy of places where humans reside. There may be additional names for small settlements.

    Eng. – Russ.

    habitation – жилье
    lodge – домик
    camp – лагерь
    fortress – крепость
    settlement – поселок
    hamlet – деревушка
    village – деревня
    town – город
    city – город
    metropolis – метрополия

    small town – небольшой городок
    small city – маленький город
    large town – большой город
    medium size city – город среднего размера
    big city – большой город
    very big city – очень большой город
    massive metropolis – огромный мегаполис
    overpopulated dystopia – перенаселенная дистопия

    (Google Translate)

    NB. In English, some verbs have an ~en ending, like harden, soften, lessen, brighten, and redden, but there is no English verb “easen”. In your headline here it should be “Eases,” or perhaps “Loosens.”

    In addition to redden, there are also the English verbs blacken and whiten, but I don’t think any of the other colors have an ~en verb in English

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sparkon

    It appears that the word "easen" is easing its way into the English language. You can now locate it within the "Words Search Engine for Scrabble" and is defined as:


    To make at ease; make easy or easier; to soothe; comfort; relieve
     
    I also notice that it's included within some Spanish/English translation manuals.

    Replies: @Sparkon

  215. @Sparkon
    The dispute about what is a city? illustrates one of the main problems with words: many words have no precise, unambiguous definition that works in all cases everywhere over time, unlike numbers, which have a fixed value at all times in all places, but not necessarily a fixed significance, so a small city/large town with a population of 60,000 today is nothing. There are 100s if not 1000s of such places on the planet, but 1,000 or 2,000 years ago, a city of 60,000 would be uncommon and might even be considered a metropolis of its day.

    In English, there is a general hierarchy of places where humans reside. There may be additional names for small settlements.

    Eng. - Russ.

    habitation - жилье
    lodge - домик
    camp - лагерь
    fortress - крепость
    settlement - поселок
    hamlet - деревушка
    village - деревня
    town - город
    city - город
    metropolis - метрополия

    small town - небольшой городок
    small city - маленький город
    large town - большой город
    medium size city - город среднего размера
    big city - большой город
    very big city - очень большой город
    massive metropolis - огромный мегаполис
    overpopulated dystopia - перенаселенная дистопия

    (Google Translate)

    NB. In English, some verbs have an ~en ending, like harden, soften, lessen, brighten, and redden, but there is no English verb "easen". In your headline here it should be "Eases," or perhaps "Loosens."

    In addition to redden, there are also the English verbs blacken and whiten, but I don't think any of the other colors have an ~en verb in English

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It appears that the word “easen” is easing its way into the English language. You can now locate it within the “Words Search Engine for Scrabble” and is defined as:

    To make at ease; make easy or easier; to soothe; comfort; relieve

    I also notice that it’s included within some Spanish/English translation manuals.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    @Mr. Hack

    I'm a college-educated native English speaker, and I've never before encountered "easens" in a lifetime of reading. It's a non-word that doesn't appear in any of the several standard authoritative English dictionaries I checked, so I don't consider it a valid English verb.

    English already has the perfectly good verb to ease, easing, eases which already owns the meaning that easens is trying to subvert, so this mangled non-word is simply a case of a mispronounced reinvention of an existing English word by non-fluent speakers of English.

    ease, easing, eases v.t.

    1. to free from pain, worry, or agitation
    2a. to lessen the pain or discomfort of 2b. to alleviate, assuage
    3. give respite from
    4. to slacken the strain, tension or pressure from; loosen
    5. to reduce the difficulty or trouble of
    6. to move or maneuver slowly and carefully

    The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, third edition, 1992

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  216. @Mr. Hack
    @Sparkon

    It appears that the word "easen" is easing its way into the English language. You can now locate it within the "Words Search Engine for Scrabble" and is defined as:


    To make at ease; make easy or easier; to soothe; comfort; relieve
     
    I also notice that it's included within some Spanish/English translation manuals.

    Replies: @Sparkon

    I‘m a college-educated native English speaker, and I’ve never before encountered “easens” in a lifetime of reading. It’s a non-word that doesn’t appear in any of the several standard authoritative English dictionaries I checked, so I don’t consider it a valid English verb.

    English already has the perfectly good verb to ease, easing, eases which already owns the meaning that easens is trying to subvert, so this mangled non-word is simply a case of a mispronounced reinvention of an existing English word by non-fluent speakers of English.

    ease, easing, eases v.t.

    1. to free from pain, worry, or agitation
    2a. to lessen the pain or discomfort of 2b. to alleviate, assuage
    3. give respite from
    4. to slacken the strain, tension or pressure from; loosen
    5. to reduce the difficulty or trouble of
    6. to move or maneuver slowly and carefully

    The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, third edition, 1992

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sparkon

    I fully agree with you that the word "easen" is not yet officially accepted within the proper English canon of diction, but you seem to know enough about these matters to realize that new words are constantly being added to languages all around the world. Besides the Scrabble dictionary and Spanish/English translation manuals mentioned above, "easen" has also been included in the modern "urban dictionary" that I'm finding that I rely on more and more. I think that Karlin's general usage of the English language is pretty good.

    Replies: @AP

  217. @AP
    @melanf


    Solovetsky monastery is a permanently populated place with clear borders that is more important than a village or town.

    It is a monastery, however. Therefore, in a different category than a village, town or city.

    Solovetsky monastery is 100% corresponds to the definition of city of Webster/You
     

    Again, it does not because it's a different category. A populated and important concentration camp is also not a city.

    Webster places the definition of "city" within the context of "town" or "village."


    If you want another example , the village where the Zulu king lived was more important than the rest of the Zulu village. By your definition, this village is a city. This is an exact analogy of Isker.
     
    This is Isker:

    http://dostoyanieplaneti.ru/media/k2/galleries/4162/001.jpg

    I'm not familiar with the Zulus. If their capital was like that, it was a city. If it was impermanent tents or huts then it was not. Apparently it was an impermanent encampment. It was founded in 1873 and burned down by the British six years later. So it was not a city. However pre-colonial Africans did have a few cities, such as Timbuktu or Great Zimbabwe.


    Chernihiv was not “a city like Kiev.” They were still cities

    Maybe Kiev was city, but definitely not Chernihiv (fortified village).
     

    Chernihiv was the capital city of a principality. Even though it was not built by Great Russians, it was obviously a city. Chernihiv:

    https://i.imgur.com/gZ27x33.jpg

    Replies: @melanf

    Chernihiv was the capital city of a principality.

    And at the same time Chernihiv was a fortified village (like Isker), which can be seen from the reconstruction that you gave

    Apparently it was an impermanent encampment.

    Why is that? The Zulus were not nomads; their villages were permanent

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf


    And at the same time Chernihiv was a fortified village (like Isker), which can be seen from the reconstruction that you gave
     
    And here you demonstrate that you still don’t understand the concept “city”. :-(

    Replies: @melanf

  218. @Sparkon
    @Mr. Hack

    I'm a college-educated native English speaker, and I've never before encountered "easens" in a lifetime of reading. It's a non-word that doesn't appear in any of the several standard authoritative English dictionaries I checked, so I don't consider it a valid English verb.

    English already has the perfectly good verb to ease, easing, eases which already owns the meaning that easens is trying to subvert, so this mangled non-word is simply a case of a mispronounced reinvention of an existing English word by non-fluent speakers of English.

    ease, easing, eases v.t.

    1. to free from pain, worry, or agitation
    2a. to lessen the pain or discomfort of 2b. to alleviate, assuage
    3. give respite from
    4. to slacken the strain, tension or pressure from; loosen
    5. to reduce the difficulty or trouble of
    6. to move or maneuver slowly and carefully

    The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, third edition, 1992

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I fully agree with you that the word “easen” is not yet officially accepted within the proper English canon of diction, but you seem to know enough about these matters to realize that new words are constantly being added to languages all around the world. Besides the Scrabble dictionary and Spanish/English translation manuals mentioned above, “easen” has also been included in the modern “urban dictionary” that I’m finding that I rely on more and more. I think that Karlin’s general usage of the English language is pretty good.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I’ve never in my life heard the word “easen.” Is it from the Minnesota/upper Midwest dialect? It sounds German in origin.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  219. @melanf
    @AP


    Chernihiv was the capital city of a principality.
     
    And at the same time Chernihiv was a fortified village (like Isker), which can be seen from the reconstruction that you gave

    Apparently it was an impermanent encampment.
     
    Why is that? The Zulus were not nomads; their villages were permanent

    Replies: @AP

    And at the same time Chernihiv was a fortified village (like Isker), which can be seen from the reconstruction that you gave

    And here you demonstrate that you still don’t understand the concept “city”. 🙁

    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    And here you demonstrate that you still don’t understand the concept “city”.
     
    If the fortified village where the headquarters of the local authority is located is a city, then you are absolutely right

    Replies: @AP

  220. @Mr. Hack
    @Sparkon

    I fully agree with you that the word "easen" is not yet officially accepted within the proper English canon of diction, but you seem to know enough about these matters to realize that new words are constantly being added to languages all around the world. Besides the Scrabble dictionary and Spanish/English translation manuals mentioned above, "easen" has also been included in the modern "urban dictionary" that I'm finding that I rely on more and more. I think that Karlin's general usage of the English language is pretty good.

    Replies: @AP

    I’ve never in my life heard the word “easen.” Is it from the Minnesota/upper Midwest dialect? It sounds German in origin.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I have to admit that when I first read Karlin's title for this thread, I had to take a step back and think about it too? Apparently many imbibers of the English language use it, as is evidenced by the three links that I've alluded to after researching this word. In all actuality, "eases" is the correct word that "easens" tries to imitate, as Sparkon has pointed out above.

    Replies: @AP

  221. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I’ve never in my life heard the word “easen.” Is it from the Minnesota/upper Midwest dialect? It sounds German in origin.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I have to admit that when I first read Karlin’s title for this thread, I had to take a step back and think about it too? Apparently many imbibers of the English language use it, as is evidenced by the three links that I’ve alluded to after researching this word. In all actuality, “eases” is the correct word that “easens” tries to imitate, as Sparkon has pointed out above.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    It is apparently not a real word:

    https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/easen-their-arrival.3584621/

  222. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I have to admit that when I first read Karlin's title for this thread, I had to take a step back and think about it too? Apparently many imbibers of the English language use it, as is evidenced by the three links that I've alluded to after researching this word. In all actuality, "eases" is the correct word that "easens" tries to imitate, as Sparkon has pointed out above.

    Replies: @AP

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  223. @sudden death
    @JL

    Given that postwar "population growth" in large part was not natural native population growth, but was fueled by Soviet colonisation policies by importing large numbers of Soviet colonists, especially in Latvia and Estonia, post-1991 depopulation, which increased percentage share of ethnic Latvians and Estonians in their own countries is absolutely positive development, but not otherwise.

    Post 1991 emigration was caused by the prolonged collapse of stupid Soviet economy, so that was just longterm consequence of Soviet onslaught in the 40's, as Finland which manged to resist such Soviet onslaught did not have neither such depopulation (except military deaths in fighting Red Army) or subsequent emigration.

    btw, overall GDP in Baltics countries was growing and got larger during independence after Soviet economy collapse caused initial decline, despite depopulation and emigration, so remaining population got progressively richer.

    Crocodile tears about depopulation from foreigners are quite strange to listen as it would be quite difficult for US right wingers understand left whining about overall depopulation if suddenly all Mexican immigrants or other illegals from last 20-30 years would vanish somehow from USA soil - that would be the cause to celebrate but not to cry.

    Replies: @JL, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Depopulation has increased after entry into EU in 2004,far more than even after 1991-2000 you silly cretin!

    The rest of your post is just BS self-deception and distortion. You do realise that huge part of this depopulation is young adult generation of lithuanians?

    BTW add “households without any children” and lowest percentage “households with children” as another glorious “number 1” position for Litva in Europe and possibly in the world (found this out when checking Sweden single household demographics)

  224. @AP
    @melanf


    And at the same time Chernihiv was a fortified village (like Isker), which can be seen from the reconstruction that you gave
     
    And here you demonstrate that you still don’t understand the concept “city”. :-(

    Replies: @melanf

    And here you demonstrate that you still don’t understand the concept “city”.

    If the fortified village where the headquarters of the local authority is located is a city, then you are absolutely right

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf

    So you don't understand the English word "village" either? You claim Chernihiv, capital of its own principality, was a fortified village:

    https://i.imgur.com/gZ27x33.jpg

    Here was the city of New Amsterdam in 1664, the year it became New York City:

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/cf/55/aa/cf55aa5b3656276beec272d560240a7e--dutch-names-dutch-east-indies.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/GezichtOpNieuwAmsterdam.jpg/1280px-GezichtOpNieuwAmsterdam.jpg

    It had become a city in 1653.

    Its population of 2,500 in 1664 was less than that of 12th century Chernihiv. Or Isker in the 1580s.

    In reality, I suspect that if you are not trolling you are just blinded by your Russian svidomism. Or is it Soviet Svidomism instead (you don't seem to like Nickie very much)? It's not a city until it has Khrushchovky and a big square for the Lenin statue?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @melanf

  225. AP says:
    @melanf
    @AP


    And here you demonstrate that you still don’t understand the concept “city”.
     
    If the fortified village where the headquarters of the local authority is located is a city, then you are absolutely right

    Replies: @AP

    So you don’t understand the English word “village” either? You claim Chernihiv, capital of its own principality, was a fortified village:

    Here was the city of New Amsterdam in 1664, the year it became New York City:

    It had become a city in 1653.

    Its population of 2,500 in 1664 was less than that of 12th century Chernihiv. Or Isker in the 1580s.

    In reality, I suspect that if you are not trolling you are just blinded by your Russian svidomism. Or is it Soviet Svidomism instead (you don’t seem to like Nickie very much)? It’s not a city until it has Khrushchovky and a big square for the Lenin statue?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Once a town has all of these sorts of attributes, it is considered to be a city:

    https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/784150/ss_141303487178b4628804180716f17ef79b01b8ae.1920x1080.jpg?t=1581787138

    Replies: @AP

    , @melanf
    @AP


    It had become a city in 1653
     
    This argument has zero value. In the Russian Empire, there were "goroda" that had the official title of a "gorod" (that is, a city or town), where a hundred people lived engaged in agriculture. Despite the title "gorod" they were not cities and not towns, but villages

    For example the city of Turukhansk in 1897 had a population of 212 people

  226. @AP
    @anonymous coward


    Siberian Tatars never lived anywhere in modern Kazakhstan
     
    Blinky Bill wrote: "The Khanate of Sibir was not Kazakh that is certain, but it wasn’t Slavic either."

    You responded "Considering the fact that Russians were the first people to build cities there, yeah, it pretty much was."

    He them proved you wrong as usual by correctly identifying a city in Sibir that preceded Russian settlement. Russians were not the first people to build cities in Sibir, as you falsely claimed.


    Kazakhs and Siberian Tatars are completely different people
     
    LOL, even here you are wrong yet again.

    They both speak Kipchak languages (Siberian Tatar is closer to Kazakh than it is to Tatar from the Volga), both are Sunni Muslims, and both traditionally used Arabic script. Both of their states were offshoots of the Mongol Empire. So they are not "completely different people."

    Someone who can't get any letters correct has dyslexia. What does someone like you, who can't get any facts correct, have? The word Dysgnosia is already taken. You would be a good subject for a neuropsychological case study.

    Replies: @melanf, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    HAHAHA- this is hilarious stupidity!

    You have a thorough intellectual as Anonymous Coward talking FACTS freely and spontaneously off his own mind on this unusual subject matter…. against yourself and this blinkety bill clown (sock puppet?) copying and pasting en masse from Wikipedia on a subject matter neither of you have any knowledge on or has thought of before! An embarrassing non-contest.

    1. It is hilarious you have been as useless to go down this route, given the embarrassing fact that “Ukraine” has absolutely no “Ukrainian” cities to claim as their own using this method of founding, building and expanding a settlement into a city! Almost as ridiculous and shameless as you doing your Austrian, Polish, Galician, East-Ukrainian, Chechen(?) BS alter-egos as part of some “plan” to waste time with superior people over pedantic things.

    2. This Bill account mentions Petropavlovsk– LOL – that is no-go area for you given your language “lessons”

    3. At least Americans were secure and not braindead enough to pathetically rename all their cities and towns with French, Spanish or British names. You can compare this with Banderastan pointlessly renaming (or dictating the English spelling) of their Russian world cities.

    4. Which reminds me – I have officially decided to rename Kiev as New Saratov. This is because the standard or living in Kiev is just below Saratov(!!! LOL). Now Saratov has many fine things in its favour but for Kiev to go from 3rd most important city in USSR, key point in Russian civilisation…. to probably not even top 200th place richest cities of ex USSR (city as 100k people)… is a very sad disgrace. Lvov, for the same reasons, is now to be renamed New Karabulak (Ingushetia). Grozny is too luxurious by comparison for me to rename Lvov after it.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Stupid stalker stalks stupidly.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    I'm impressed. Imagine somebody taking their vocational school training to a point where they now are able to rename cities based on their own irrational criteria? Your forebearers clearly must have been a part of the revolutionary vanguard.

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Anatoly was right, you are a faggot.

  227. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @AP

    HAHAHA- this is hilarious stupidity!

    You have a thorough intellectual as Anonymous Coward talking FACTS freely and spontaneously off his own mind on this unusual subject matter.... against yourself and this blinkety bill clown (sock puppet?) copying and pasting en masse from Wikipedia on a subject matter neither of you have any knowledge on or has thought of before! An embarrassing non-contest.

    1. It is hilarious you have been as useless to go down this route, given the embarrassing fact that "Ukraine" has absolutely no "Ukrainian" cities to claim as their own using this method of founding, building and expanding a settlement into a city! Almost as ridiculous and shameless as you doing your Austrian, Polish, Galician, East-Ukrainian, Chechen(?) BS alter-egos as part of some "plan" to waste time with superior people over pedantic things.

    2. This Bill account mentions Petropavlovsk-- LOL - that is no-go area for you given your language "lessons"

    3. At least Americans were secure and not braindead enough to pathetically rename all their cities and towns with French, Spanish or British names. You can compare this with Banderastan pointlessly renaming (or dictating the English spelling) of their Russian world cities.

    4. Which reminds me - I have officially decided to rename Kiev as New Saratov. This is because the standard or living in Kiev is just below Saratov(!!! LOL). Now Saratov has many fine things in its favour but for Kiev to go from 3rd most important city in USSR, key point in Russian civilisation.... to probably not even top 200th place richest cities of ex USSR (city as 100k people)... is a very sad disgrace. Lvov, for the same reasons, is now to be renamed New Karabulak (Ingushetia). Grozny is too luxurious by comparison for me to rename Lvov after it.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Blinky Bill

    Stupid stalker stalks stupidly.

  228. @AP
    @melanf

    So you don't understand the English word "village" either? You claim Chernihiv, capital of its own principality, was a fortified village:

    https://i.imgur.com/gZ27x33.jpg

    Here was the city of New Amsterdam in 1664, the year it became New York City:

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/cf/55/aa/cf55aa5b3656276beec272d560240a7e--dutch-names-dutch-east-indies.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/GezichtOpNieuwAmsterdam.jpg/1280px-GezichtOpNieuwAmsterdam.jpg

    It had become a city in 1653.

    Its population of 2,500 in 1664 was less than that of 12th century Chernihiv. Or Isker in the 1580s.

    In reality, I suspect that if you are not trolling you are just blinded by your Russian svidomism. Or is it Soviet Svidomism instead (you don't seem to like Nickie very much)? It's not a city until it has Khrushchovky and a big square for the Lenin statue?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @melanf

    Once a town has all of these sorts of attributes, it is considered to be a city:

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    You nailed it :-)

  229. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @AP

    HAHAHA- this is hilarious stupidity!

    You have a thorough intellectual as Anonymous Coward talking FACTS freely and spontaneously off his own mind on this unusual subject matter.... against yourself and this blinkety bill clown (sock puppet?) copying and pasting en masse from Wikipedia on a subject matter neither of you have any knowledge on or has thought of before! An embarrassing non-contest.

    1. It is hilarious you have been as useless to go down this route, given the embarrassing fact that "Ukraine" has absolutely no "Ukrainian" cities to claim as their own using this method of founding, building and expanding a settlement into a city! Almost as ridiculous and shameless as you doing your Austrian, Polish, Galician, East-Ukrainian, Chechen(?) BS alter-egos as part of some "plan" to waste time with superior people over pedantic things.

    2. This Bill account mentions Petropavlovsk-- LOL - that is no-go area for you given your language "lessons"

    3. At least Americans were secure and not braindead enough to pathetically rename all their cities and towns with French, Spanish or British names. You can compare this with Banderastan pointlessly renaming (or dictating the English spelling) of their Russian world cities.

    4. Which reminds me - I have officially decided to rename Kiev as New Saratov. This is because the standard or living in Kiev is just below Saratov(!!! LOL). Now Saratov has many fine things in its favour but for Kiev to go from 3rd most important city in USSR, key point in Russian civilisation.... to probably not even top 200th place richest cities of ex USSR (city as 100k people)... is a very sad disgrace. Lvov, for the same reasons, is now to be renamed New Karabulak (Ingushetia). Grozny is too luxurious by comparison for me to rename Lvov after it.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Blinky Bill

    I’m impressed. Imagine somebody taking their vocational school training to a point where they now are able to rename cities based on their own irrational criteria? Your forebearers clearly must have been a part of the revolutionary vanguard.

  230. @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @AP

    HAHAHA- this is hilarious stupidity!

    You have a thorough intellectual as Anonymous Coward talking FACTS freely and spontaneously off his own mind on this unusual subject matter.... against yourself and this blinkety bill clown (sock puppet?) copying and pasting en masse from Wikipedia on a subject matter neither of you have any knowledge on or has thought of before! An embarrassing non-contest.

    1. It is hilarious you have been as useless to go down this route, given the embarrassing fact that "Ukraine" has absolutely no "Ukrainian" cities to claim as their own using this method of founding, building and expanding a settlement into a city! Almost as ridiculous and shameless as you doing your Austrian, Polish, Galician, East-Ukrainian, Chechen(?) BS alter-egos as part of some "plan" to waste time with superior people over pedantic things.

    2. This Bill account mentions Petropavlovsk-- LOL - that is no-go area for you given your language "lessons"

    3. At least Americans were secure and not braindead enough to pathetically rename all their cities and towns with French, Spanish or British names. You can compare this with Banderastan pointlessly renaming (or dictating the English spelling) of their Russian world cities.

    4. Which reminds me - I have officially decided to rename Kiev as New Saratov. This is because the standard or living in Kiev is just below Saratov(!!! LOL). Now Saratov has many fine things in its favour but for Kiev to go from 3rd most important city in USSR, key point in Russian civilisation.... to probably not even top 200th place richest cities of ex USSR (city as 100k people)... is a very sad disgrace. Lvov, for the same reasons, is now to be renamed New Karabulak (Ingushetia). Grozny is too luxurious by comparison for me to rename Lvov after it.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Blinky Bill

    Anatoly was right, you are a faggot.

  231. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Once a town has all of these sorts of attributes, it is considered to be a city:

    https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/784150/ss_141303487178b4628804180716f17ef79b01b8ae.1920x1080.jpg?t=1581787138

    Replies: @AP

    You nailed it 🙂

  232. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Vishnugupta


    BNP and other tough talking white groups talk a lot about alliance forming but on the street level they seem to lack the balls to say hold a knife over a grooming gangs leader’s privates and threaten to make him loose a little weight in a certain awkward place if he even looks at a Hindu/Sikh girl again(very effective) which is Paki grooming gangs almost exclusively target white girls in the UK.

     

    There are some Whites who try to inflict violence against the Paki/Muslim gangs, but the British govt (which is controlled by pro-immigration Jews like Barbara Roche, Peter Mandelson, etc.) have been openly repressing and jailing them for years. British media (which is also run by Jews) portrays White British militia men as "evil."

    Meanwhile, most of the British public is addicted to 'bread and circuses.' They'd rather watch soccer/football and drink at the pub, not take interest in the future of the country.

    By controlling the levers of power (politicians, courts, bureaucracy, media, entertainment), Jews control what happens in Western countries. The White Gentile masses are powerless. The institutions that their ancestors built are used against them.

    White Gentiles are extremely adept at building strong and functional institutions. The irony is that when these institutions fall in the hands of antagonistic outsiders (like Jews), the effectiveness of the institutions becomes a huge disadvantage.

    Whites need to learn to fight back, but they generally don't. One reason is because a lot of them are soft and frivolous, a product of generations of easy living. They'd rather live the good life (tv, sports, shopping, eating out) than take their civic duties seriously. Another reason is that Whites are too individualistic and socially atomized, so they're no longer capable of large-scale coordinated group action.

    A few Whites do fight back (EDL, BNP, National Front), but they get their lives ruined by the govt. Just look at what has been done to Tommy Robinson.

    Lots of anti-Muslim Whites (in both the UK and US) end up joining the military because they want to go to the Middle East and kill people. However, that just ends up serving the security interests of Israel, not the West.

    Britain (like most Western countries) has a hollowed out economy that's heavily reliant on debt spending and financialization. If Britain ever experiences a severe debt or economic crisis, that could topple the high standard of living and lead towards a breakdown in the state. Once the state is no longer functional, its ability to repress White British militias will be compromised. At that point, Jews won't have the sway they once did, so you'll probably begin to see White militias start to assert themselves.

    So I don't see the current situation continuing forever. We shall live in interesting times.

    Replies: @Tony

    nigga please

  233. @AP
    @melanf

    So you don't understand the English word "village" either? You claim Chernihiv, capital of its own principality, was a fortified village:

    https://i.imgur.com/gZ27x33.jpg

    Here was the city of New Amsterdam in 1664, the year it became New York City:

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/cf/55/aa/cf55aa5b3656276beec272d560240a7e--dutch-names-dutch-east-indies.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/GezichtOpNieuwAmsterdam.jpg/1280px-GezichtOpNieuwAmsterdam.jpg

    It had become a city in 1653.

    Its population of 2,500 in 1664 was less than that of 12th century Chernihiv. Or Isker in the 1580s.

    In reality, I suspect that if you are not trolling you are just blinded by your Russian svidomism. Or is it Soviet Svidomism instead (you don't seem to like Nickie very much)? It's not a city until it has Khrushchovky and a big square for the Lenin statue?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @melanf

    It had become a city in 1653

    This argument has zero value. In the Russian Empire, there were “goroda” that had the official title of a “gorod” (that is, a city or town), where a hundred people lived engaged in agriculture. Despite the title “gorod” they were not cities and not towns, but villages

    For example the city of Turukhansk in 1897 had a population of 212 people

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