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In the modern world, being a victim gives you status points. So “owning” the Holocaust is like a jackpot – the Germans gave the Jews lemons in 1941-45, and then the Jews made lemonade.

Unfortunately, not all Jews are partial to sharing the lemonade stand:

Pro tip: This is the part you’re meant to say quietly.

Nowadays, it is almost impossible to deny any genocide and come out of it looking sympathetic. Claiming a monopoly on the Holocaust erases the lived (and prematurely ended) experiences of millions of East Europeans. Just look at the ratio on Noga Tarnopolsky’s Tweet. This is the power of the politics of memory.

Putin went further in his rhetorical masterstroke in Israel, equating anti-Semitism with Russophobia:

Here, as in Russia, people understand the lessons of World War II, and do not allow the world to forget the consequences of national egoism, strife, and support for any form of chauvinism, anti-Semitism, and Russophobia.

In the modern West, especially the US, mere accusations of anti-Semitism are enough to ground the most promising careers, while Russophobia is not just tolerated but officially sanctioned.

If it is true that those who would deny genocides are laying the grounds for new genocides, then it is incumbent upon Russians to make Russophobia just as socially toxic as anti-Semitism.

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PS. This is not the first time that some Jewish journalists have had a bad reaction to what they see as Putin’s attempts to “appropriate” the Holocaust.

Translation:

Putin visited a Jewish museum on the anniversary of Auschwitz’s liberation and said: “Of course, the main burden was borne in the fight against fascism by the Russian people, 70% of the Red Army’s soldiers and officers – were Russians. And Russians constituted most of the victims on the altar of Victory.”

And they say that Putin isn’t an anti-Semite.

So far as Julia Ioffe is concerned, talking about non-Jewish, and in particular Russian, contributions to the Allied victory is anti-Semitic.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Regarding the just completed Yad Vashem speeches, Ioffe didn't blast Pence for noting the US contribution to ending WW II, while just saying that "soldiers" liberated Auschwitz.
  2. You know we might occasionally lambast the man for being a great manager and poor visionary – but he sure does know how to send the chosen into fits of apoplexy while maintaining fantastic rhetorical cover.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Svevlad
    Until they go collectively apeshit like each and every single one of 'em saw a 6 million cthulus at the same time, it ain't enough apoplexy
    , @Mikhail
    Ioffe doesn't reflect all Jews.
    , @Dmitry
    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe (although Putin is not so philo-Israeli compared to American politicians). I don't think any other European politician is like that.

    At the same time, on this website, for two years, I've already read many people are writing about Putin's "fight with Jews".

    It's understandable people can be a bit confused when they read about foreign politicians - but there is something lacking in the observation of the real world when the claim become the opposite of ordinary reality.

    Also Putin is not like Republican politicians in America, who love Israel - some of them because they are interested in the real country itself -, while do care about Jews. Putin view is pro-Jews, while he is only moderately warm to Israel often against his interest, and this warm attitude more like part of his attitude to Jews, rather than any interest in Israel the real country.


    -

    Putin's latest kindness today was that after meeting the mother in Israel, he obviously going to intervene in the legal system, to overturn the sentence of an Israeli girl who was carrying cannabis in the briefcase in the airport in Russia.

    Cannabis is harmless, so rationally this girl should never have been punished, let alone in jail - at the same time, it is bit "banana republic president" to overturn even incompetent judges after a meeting the mother of a prisoner in a foreign country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUkYeDfhgE
    , @silviosilver
    Calling it "rhetorical cover" suggests the whole point of it is to get a rise out of Jews. In fact, those statements are perfectly reasonable in their own right. Jews are just hypersensitive to anything that might even potentially threaten their interests.
  3. Slavs seem to have a sort of love-hate relationship with Jews. One minute Jews are to blame for all their woes, the next the Jews and Israel are their best friends.

    • Replies: @mal
    Fairly sure Putin has been consistent on that front. Israel is a partner in the Middle East, and Jews are fine people.
    , @Korenchkin
    The Jews in Israel and the Jewish diaspora treat Slavs differently
    For instance, Israel sent weapons and info to Yugoslavia during the Bosnian conflict while the diaspora were busy comparing Milosevic to Hitler and Bosnia to Poland
  4. @AltSerrice
    You know we might occasionally lambast the man for being a great manager and poor visionary - but he sure does know how to send the chosen into fits of apoplexy while maintaining fantastic rhetorical cover.

    Until they go collectively apeshit like each and every single one of ’em saw a 6 million cthulus at the same time, it ain’t enough apoplexy

  5. Well it makes sense to imitate the successful
    Imagine if the ROG which has Trump, Boris and Macron in it’s pocket was actually real

  6. “the consequences of national egoism” – Russia the least egoistic nation. No other country killed so many of its own citizens as Russia.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin

    No other country killed so many of its own citizens as Russia.
     
    China?
  7. @Europe Europa
    Slavs seem to have a sort of love-hate relationship with Jews. One minute Jews are to blame for all their woes, the next the Jews and Israel are their best friends.

    Fairly sure Putin has been consistent on that front. Israel is a partner in the Middle East, and Jews are fine people.

  8. Somebody should tell Julia Ioffe that as a Soviet born Muskovite, she is unlikely to go far in the Atlantic Council crowd no matter her efforts. She will always be seen as a sneaky Red.

    And fair enough. As the Atlanticist crowd wishes, so be it. I, for one, would welcome Julia in the ranks of Mordor, nothing wrong with new подполковница.

  9. @Anatoly Karlin
    Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

    Regarding the just completed Yad Vashem speeches, Ioffe didn’t blast Pence for noting the US contribution to ending WW II, while just saying that “soldiers” liberated Auschwitz.

  10. @AltSerrice
    You know we might occasionally lambast the man for being a great manager and poor visionary - but he sure does know how to send the chosen into fits of apoplexy while maintaining fantastic rhetorical cover.

    Ioffe doesn’t reflect all Jews.

    • Replies: @getaclue
    No-- just the "Elite" powerful ones who have instituted the Kalergi Plan (and other "plans") to destroy Western Civilization and Christianity and who think "Goyim"/non-Jewish (especially Christian) lives are worthless compared to "the Chosen"? There is zero doubt that her statement is fully in line with the ADL and "Elite" Jewish "thought" and propaganda-- you deny this?

    Please--Your comment is just such total bs, at the very least most coming here have clued in to what is up from what I have seen of the comments and articles here...-- yes there are many "good" Jews (I've worked with some) who are like most trying to do the right thing, make an honest living etc. -- but to deny the other side which comes thru this Jewish "agent" and the "Elite" who back her -- this agenda of denigrating non-Jewish lives? The US Government as basically an "Occupied Government" taking orders from the ADL types? Billions flowing out to Israel and endless wars on their behalf? You don't know about that?

    How about Ron Unz' article here -- on his well reasoned/educated view finally-- after weighing the clear evidence for years of who actually did 911? "Who benefited?" You know those "folks"? The ones who run the NYSlimes, the Mainslime Media, the Satanic "Entertainment" Industry (https://vigilantcitizen.com/ ) who are behind all things Masonic (using useful idiots for that massive anti-Christian Luciferian agenda)--who "Thru Deception Wage War"-- you don't know about any of that? You don't get out much?

    A very learned friend of mine calls the dichotomy "Big Jews and Small Jews" -- the "Big Jews" are running this agenda and the "small Jews" are those getting assaulted and killed by the Black thugs in NYC who are being told by the others to shut up about it because "White Supremacy" and their "common enemy"--there has been at least one article here on this and I have seen a brave Jew speak up about it otherwise https://www.takimag.com/article/suicide-final-solution/ --the pathology at issue of so much hatred against "Whites"(Christianity/Western Civilization) that they are good with "sacrificing" some "small" Jews on this Altar so as to destroy "whitey"/Christianity/Western Civilization-- which they have done a fine job at if you look around (with more to come obviously)-- Soros? Mass immigration as "the Great Replacement"? Behind it all who always pops up? Coincidence? Who is managing this and funding it? https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/20/the-genocidal-kalergi-plan-to-destroy-the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

    Try being honest maybe? The Globohomo agenda and the NWO--Rothschild "specials" for us all aiming at our destruction -- with their current "front man" Soros but lots of others? To point out reality is not antisemetic-- to not do so is insanity at this point! --Here you go, how about this?: "former Israeli Education Minister Shulamit Aloni confessed to Amy Goodman about this name-calling Hasbara tactic: “Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country [the US] people are criticizing Israel, then they are antisemitic.” -- seems we have the truth right here? You should try some-- "Truth -- It's The Real Thing!"

  11. @Europe Europa
    Slavs seem to have a sort of love-hate relationship with Jews. One minute Jews are to blame for all their woes, the next the Jews and Israel are their best friends.

    The Jews in Israel and the Jewish diaspora treat Slavs differently
    For instance, Israel sent weapons and info to Yugoslavia during the Bosnian conflict while the diaspora were busy comparing Milosevic to Hitler and Bosnia to Poland

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Neocon and neolib leaning Jews, whether in Israel or elsewhere. Bottom line is that the likes of Julia Ioffe aren't so representative of Jewish views as some seem to believe.
  12. @utu
    "the consequences of national egoism" - Russia the least egoistic nation. No other country killed so many of its own citizens as Russia.

    No other country killed so many of its own citizens as Russia.

    China?

  13. Anatoly I like the new pace of posting!

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, mal
  14. Russophobia is 100% a Jewish project, motivated out of hatred of Christ, Christians, and white people.

    I’ve read a lot of success books. Old and new. In none of them have I read about the importance of toeing the kosher line. You’d think in Charles Murray’s book The Curmudgeon’s Guide to Getting Ahead: Dos and Don’ts of Right Behavior… he’d devote even a few lines to the importance of not pissing off the Jews (La Kosher Nostra), on how Jews are devoid of any sense of proportionality, and how anti-Semitism used to mean someone who didn’t like Jews but now means anyone whom the Jews don’t like (to borrow from the late Joe Sobran).

    Chas. Murray has done very well for himself toeing the kosher line and pushing Jewish fables. Yet he doesn’t mention anything about toeing the kosher line. So I guess the first rule of toeing the kosher line is to not talk about toeing the kosher line.

    Btw, for any budding shabbos goy here’s a good reading list to bone up on Jewish fables and the acceptable narrative:

    https://akarlin.com/books/

    • Agree: neutral
  15. This was the default stance about jew deaths in ww2 up until the 70s-they were one group among many that suffered. A lot of jews were unhappy to have the holocaust invented because they thought it made jews seem effeminate and it gave the default condition of jews as one of suffering.
    But the $ and political power were too hard to resist and, besides, the big talmudic jews understand they must always fan the flames of jewish paranoia lest jews become normal people and disappear.

  16. @AltSerrice
    You know we might occasionally lambast the man for being a great manager and poor visionary - but he sure does know how to send the chosen into fits of apoplexy while maintaining fantastic rhetorical cover.

    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe (although Putin is not so philo-Israeli compared to American politicians). I don’t think any other European politician is like that.

    At the same time, on this website, for two years, I’ve already read many people are writing about Putin’s “fight with Jews”.

    It’s understandable people can be a bit confused when they read about foreign politicians – but there is something lacking in the observation of the real world when the claim become the opposite of ordinary reality.

    Also Putin is not like Republican politicians in America, who love Israel – some of them because they are interested in the real country itself -, while do care about Jews. Putin view is pro-Jews, while he is only moderately warm to Israel often against his interest, and this warm attitude more like part of his attitude to Jews, rather than any interest in Israel the real country.

    Putin’s latest kindness today was that after meeting the mother in Israel, he obviously going to intervene in the legal system, to overturn the sentence of an Israeli girl who was carrying cannabis in the briefcase in the airport in Russia.

    Cannabis is harmless, so rationally this girl should never have been punished, let alone in jail – at the same time, it is bit “banana republic president” to overturn even incompetent judges after a meeting the mother of a prisoner in a foreign country.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Disagree: Korenchkin
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend

    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe (although Putin is not so philo-Israeli compared to American politicians). I don’t think any other European politician is like that.

    At the same time, on this website, for two years, I’ve already read many people are writing about Putin’s “fight with Jews”.

    It’s understandable people can be a bit confused when they read about foreign politicians – but there is something lacking in the observation of the real world when the claim become the opposite of ordinary reality.
     

    I think the main reason for this confusion was because Russia was propping up Assad in Syria which goes directly against the interests of Israel. That prompted some people to take this line of thinking in all aspects, probably sprinkling it with some amounts of wishful thinking.

    Now that the civil war there is much less intense, it allows Putin to once again come closer to Israel and (diaspora) Jews, which he did. His recent comments over WWII were also couched in defence of Jews. All have a common denominator: sucking up to Jews.

    , @Anatoly Karlin

    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe...
     
    I think this is one of those "citations needed" claims.

    Putin's not the raving anti-Semite the more ethnocentric Jews/neocons portray him as, but he doesn't go out of his way to do them favors either.

    Foreign policy is not exactly much in sync with Jewish interests (rescued Assad; neutrality in Palestine debate; recent military exercises with China and Iran). British Conservative politicians/mainstream are easily far more pro-Jewish than Putin, so is Orban, so was Salvini, etc.
    , @Dmitry

    Putin is not so philo-Israeli
     
    Although he said to the Chabad rabbi Berel Lazar, Putin loves Israel after he had had driven around Israel for vacation in the 1990s, apparently he travelled from the Northern border to Eilat. I found it at 25:55 in the video: https://youtu.be/U7hout-coSA?t=1555.
  17. and in particular Russian, contributions to the Allied victory

    I thought you were all thumbs down on taking pride in the Great Patriotic War victory. You didn’t switch because the criticism is coming from (them), did you? That would be bad, don’t go there AK.

  18. Nowadays, it is almost impossible to deny any genocide and come out of it looking sympathetic.

    The Holocaust is bullshit, and was invented in the USSR. It has been shown to have been physically incapable to have happened. The “deniers” don’t deny Jews and others were treated badly, they deny there was a planned genocide of Jews or anyone else, by Germans. There were more Jews claiming reparations from Germany, post war, than there were Jews under German control, during the war. That in itself demonstrates that there was no genocide. The Holocaust was the scam used to create Rothschild’s Israel and world government.
    Yes, the Soviet Union was instrumental in defeating “fascism”, but to what end? The Soviet Union was a much worse fate for those who felt the wrath of Stalin and his gangsters.
    Let’s cut the bullshit. NS Germany were no choirboys, but they were pushed into war by their economic rivals France and Britain. Joe Stalin didn’t have the largest army ever assembled, at Germany’s border, then cut through it’s defensive lines, because he was “defending”. Half a million volunteers outside Germany, from across Europe and the Middle East didn’t volunteer to fight on the Eastern Front because they were rabid fascists. They were fighting to prevent a communist invasion of Europe. As Leon DeGrelle said, had it not been for Germany, Stalin would have been standing in Calais looking toward Britain and planning his invasion.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    "Yes, the Soviet Union was instrumental in defeating “fascism”, but to what end? The Soviet Union was a much worse fate for those who felt the wrath of Stalin and his gangsters."
    "To what end?" The USSR didnt fight/defeat Germany for the sake of Eastern Europe. It did so, rightly, for itself.
    As to any comparison of 39'--45 and 45' -- 53'. You may be correct about the "worse fate", however I couldn't take it as an unassailable fact, but rather, as the starting point for some serious evidence & argument.
  19. equating anti-Semitism with Russophobia:

    In the context of the speech – which is about the blockcade of Leningrad – , completely normal and appropriate claim, and the unnecessary part is to condemn antisemitism in the sentence (as this was not a motive for the blockage).

    The speech where he says this sentence was here after an hour-

  20. @Korenchkin
    The Jews in Israel and the Jewish diaspora treat Slavs differently
    For instance, Israel sent weapons and info to Yugoslavia during the Bosnian conflict while the diaspora were busy comparing Milosevic to Hitler and Bosnia to Poland

    Neocon and neolib leaning Jews, whether in Israel or elsewhere. Bottom line is that the likes of Julia Ioffe aren’t so representative of Jewish views as some seem to believe.

    • Disagree: neutral
    • Replies: @neutral
    Jews vote overwhelming left in every country (Tories are not right wing in any meaningful sense). Easily over 95% of jews in the world will be either neocon and neolib, Ioffe is totally representative of jews.
  21. @AltSerrice
    You know we might occasionally lambast the man for being a great manager and poor visionary - but he sure does know how to send the chosen into fits of apoplexy while maintaining fantastic rhetorical cover.

    Calling it “rhetorical cover” suggests the whole point of it is to get a rise out of Jews. In fact, those statements are perfectly reasonable in their own right. Jews are just hypersensitive to anything that might even potentially threaten their interests.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    Absolutely.
    Whether stated explicitly or not, Russians have a right (& duty) to explain to the world the incredible sacrifices the USSR, Russia, made during W.W II.
    Its unfortunate, & genuinely depressing, that some can not admit the sufferings of others because of the fear that their own past suffering could be somehow (in imagination ?) diminished by the comparison.
  22. @Dmitry
    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe (although Putin is not so philo-Israeli compared to American politicians). I don't think any other European politician is like that.

    At the same time, on this website, for two years, I've already read many people are writing about Putin's "fight with Jews".

    It's understandable people can be a bit confused when they read about foreign politicians - but there is something lacking in the observation of the real world when the claim become the opposite of ordinary reality.

    Also Putin is not like Republican politicians in America, who love Israel - some of them because they are interested in the real country itself -, while do care about Jews. Putin view is pro-Jews, while he is only moderately warm to Israel often against his interest, and this warm attitude more like part of his attitude to Jews, rather than any interest in Israel the real country.


    -

    Putin's latest kindness today was that after meeting the mother in Israel, he obviously going to intervene in the legal system, to overturn the sentence of an Israeli girl who was carrying cannabis in the briefcase in the airport in Russia.

    Cannabis is harmless, so rationally this girl should never have been punished, let alone in jail - at the same time, it is bit "banana republic president" to overturn even incompetent judges after a meeting the mother of a prisoner in a foreign country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUkYeDfhgE

    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe (although Putin is not so philo-Israeli compared to American politicians). I don’t think any other European politician is like that.

    At the same time, on this website, for two years, I’ve already read many people are writing about Putin’s “fight with Jews”.

    It’s understandable people can be a bit confused when they read about foreign politicians – but there is something lacking in the observation of the real world when the claim become the opposite of ordinary reality.

    I think the main reason for this confusion was because Russia was propping up Assad in Syria which goes directly against the interests of Israel. That prompted some people to take this line of thinking in all aspects, probably sprinkling it with some amounts of wishful thinking.

    Now that the civil war there is much less intense, it allows Putin to once again come closer to Israel and (diaspora) Jews, which he did. His recent comments over WWII were also couched in defence of Jews. All have a common denominator: sucking up to Jews.

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    propping up Assad in Syria which goes directly against the interests of Israel.
     
    To the extent Assad is an extension of Iran, or allows Iranian weapons movement through Syria to Hezbollah (in Lebanon) - then Assad is very bad for Israel.

    But if Iran in the future would become weaker in Syria - then Assad would become a least bad option for Israel.

    That said, benefits for Russia in Syria are not very much, while Iran has much more rationale to be inside Syria for a long term.


    civil war there is much less intense, it allows Putin to once again come closer to Israel and (diaspora) Jews
     
    There is never a change in his policy on this kind of topic. Just for 20 years he has the same policy.

    He is not philo-Israeli (and Israel is an American married territory), but his view of Israel will be softened or sentimentalized as a result of his generalized affection for Jews as a nationality.

    (It's a bit opposite to American Republican politicians, who love Israel - and know the country quite well from their Evangelical pilgrimages - , but do not necessarily like Jews. Some US politicians like Huckabee live part of any year in Israel, so their connection is stronger to the real country)

    -


    As for the idea, that Putin is especially cynical and emotionless. He is obviously emotional about the ceremony about Leningrad in Jerusalem and this speech is not some cynical plan. He is establishing a memorial to the blockage of Leningrad - rusophobia is very relevant for the speech (here is the context of the speech with English where he discusses rusophobia https://youtu.be/ta1ccY5EQsg?t=7463 )

  23. @Thulean Friend

    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe (although Putin is not so philo-Israeli compared to American politicians). I don’t think any other European politician is like that.

    At the same time, on this website, for two years, I’ve already read many people are writing about Putin’s “fight with Jews”.

    It’s understandable people can be a bit confused when they read about foreign politicians – but there is something lacking in the observation of the real world when the claim become the opposite of ordinary reality.
     

    I think the main reason for this confusion was because Russia was propping up Assad in Syria which goes directly against the interests of Israel. That prompted some people to take this line of thinking in all aspects, probably sprinkling it with some amounts of wishful thinking.

    Now that the civil war there is much less intense, it allows Putin to once again come closer to Israel and (diaspora) Jews, which he did. His recent comments over WWII were also couched in defence of Jews. All have a common denominator: sucking up to Jews.

    propping up Assad in Syria which goes directly against the interests of Israel.

    To the extent Assad is an extension of Iran, or allows Iranian weapons movement through Syria to Hezbollah (in Lebanon) – then Assad is very bad for Israel.

    But if Iran in the future would become weaker in Syria – then Assad would become a least bad option for Israel.

    That said, benefits for Russia in Syria are not very much, while Iran has much more rationale to be inside Syria for a long term.

    civil war there is much less intense, it allows Putin to once again come closer to Israel and (diaspora) Jews

    There is never a change in his policy on this kind of topic. Just for 20 years he has the same policy.

    He is not philo-Israeli (and Israel is an American married territory), but his view of Israel will be softened or sentimentalized as a result of his generalized affection for Jews as a nationality.

    (It’s a bit opposite to American Republican politicians, who love Israel – and know the country quite well from their Evangelical pilgrimages – , but do not necessarily like Jews. Some US politicians like Huckabee live part of any year in Israel, so their connection is stronger to the real country)

    As for the idea, that Putin is especially cynical and emotionless. He is obviously emotional about the ceremony about Leningrad in Jerusalem and this speech is not some cynical plan. He is establishing a memorial to the blockage of Leningrad – rusophobia is very relevant for the speech (here is the context of the speech with English where he discusses rusophobia

    )

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
  24. @Curmudgeon

    Nowadays, it is almost impossible to deny any genocide and come out of it looking sympathetic.
     
    The Holocaust is bullshit, and was invented in the USSR. It has been shown to have been physically incapable to have happened. The "deniers" don't deny Jews and others were treated badly, they deny there was a planned genocide of Jews or anyone else, by Germans. There were more Jews claiming reparations from Germany, post war, than there were Jews under German control, during the war. That in itself demonstrates that there was no genocide. The Holocaust was the scam used to create Rothschild's Israel and world government.
    Yes, the Soviet Union was instrumental in defeating "fascism", but to what end? The Soviet Union was a much worse fate for those who felt the wrath of Stalin and his gangsters.
    Let's cut the bullshit. NS Germany were no choirboys, but they were pushed into war by their economic rivals France and Britain. Joe Stalin didn't have the largest army ever assembled, at Germany's border, then cut through it's defensive lines, because he was "defending". Half a million volunteers outside Germany, from across Europe and the Middle East didn't volunteer to fight on the Eastern Front because they were rabid fascists. They were fighting to prevent a communist invasion of Europe. As Leon DeGrelle said, had it not been for Germany, Stalin would have been standing in Calais looking toward Britain and planning his invasion.

    “Yes, the Soviet Union was instrumental in defeating “fascism”, but to what end? The Soviet Union was a much worse fate for those who felt the wrath of Stalin and his gangsters.”
    “To what end?” The USSR didnt fight/defeat Germany for the sake of Eastern Europe. It did so, rightly, for itself.
    As to any comparison of 39′–45 and 45′ — 53′. You may be correct about the “worse fate”, however I couldn’t take it as an unassailable fact, but rather, as the starting point for some serious evidence & argument.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon

    The USSR didnt fight/defeat Germany for the sake of Eastern Europe. It did so, rightly, for itself.
     
    Just as Germany attacked the USSR to prevent the largest army ever assembled, from invading Germany and Europe.

    I have, since the start of the Zundel trials in 1985, read more "alternative" history about WWII, than most. My interest was piqued, not because of his alleged denial, rather my outrage that someone would be prosecuted for expressing an opinion that contained no suggestion of violence.
    My father and four uncles served in WWII. My father used to talk about "old Ben Freedman", which meant nothing to me, until after both my parents had died and discovered a few short books on several topics, long out of print, that you weren't going to find in libraries. I grew up with kids who had fathers serving in all of the forces, including ones who had been involved in bombing German cities, and a couple who had been Japanese POWs. Other than a couple of drunks, most would never talk about their experiences, but it was safe to say that when it came to the anti-German narrative, most didn't buy into it, as the German immigrants that came in the 50s and 60s were usually welcomed into the neighbourhood and helped to adjust.
    There is plenty of information out there about the political machinations involved in herding Germany into WWII, Hitler's peace proposals, and reality of NS Germany as opposed to the narrative. I concluded long ago that all wars are economic wars. Figure out the economic threat to (((globalists))) and their useful idiots, irrespective of alleged political affiliation, and you have sorted the reason for the war, whether or not there is actual shooting. I'm not suggesting that NS Germany was an ideal any more than Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, or Salazar's Portugal were, or for that matter, Stalin's USSR. There are benefits and drawbacks in every political ideology put into practice, including finance capitalism. The questions are always the same: who, what, why and how, along with do the benefits outweigh the drawbacks short and long term?
    An off topic equivalent is someone like Trump. There is a lot not to like about him, but there are positives. The positives and the negatives should be weighed against each other and stand on their own merits, not buried in bullshit narratives.

  25. This is a cuck lite tactic that will not work. Jews want to destroy Russia that should be very clear to everyone here, no amount of “we saved jews” narratives is going to change that fact.

  26. @Mikhail
    Neocon and neolib leaning Jews, whether in Israel or elsewhere. Bottom line is that the likes of Julia Ioffe aren't so representative of Jewish views as some seem to believe.

    Jews vote overwhelming left in every country (Tories are not right wing in any meaningful sense). Easily over 95% of jews in the world will be either neocon and neolib, Ioffe is totally representative of jews.

  27. @silviosilver
    Calling it "rhetorical cover" suggests the whole point of it is to get a rise out of Jews. In fact, those statements are perfectly reasonable in their own right. Jews are just hypersensitive to anything that might even potentially threaten their interests.

    Absolutely.
    Whether stated explicitly or not, Russians have a right (& duty) to explain to the world the incredible sacrifices the USSR, Russia, made during W.W II.
    Its unfortunate, & genuinely depressing, that some can not admit the sufferings of others because of the fear that their own past suffering could be somehow (in imagination ?) diminished by the comparison.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    You need to get out and about in the world, as opposed to relying on stereotypes.
    , @Mikhail
    My error. My initial reply to you was directed at your comment number 27.
  28. Genocide denial bibliography

    Rejection of the Armenian genocide narrative by the Turkish foreign ministry
    http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa

    Israel Shamir’s remarkable essay, on Cambodians rejecting the Pol Pot genocide narrative, as a fiction profiting Vietnamese invaders, plus USA warmongers distracting from their own war crimes
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/

    Canadian Marxist Douglas Tottle (1944-c. 2003), his 1987 book denying the ‘Holodomor’, as based on a mish-mash of Hitler-Nazi propaganda plus Hearst media fanatic anti-Bolshevism, Tottle’s ‘Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth’, free online here
    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

    Denial of the ‘Stalin killed tens of millions’ narrative, based on Soviet archives listing, e.g., about 10 million total arrested during thirty years of Stalin’s rule (The USA arrests 10 million people every single year these days!) … Some grounding the motive for the ‘genocidal Stalin’ stories in the Jewish hostility to Stalin removing so many Jews from power in the late 1930s

    And including an aggressive attack on monarchist, far-rightist, pro-Franco etc, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), whose first ‘Stalin gulag’ book in 1962 was sponsored by Nikita Khrushchev himself, Khrushchev hoping anti-Stalinism would stave off the coup that drove him from power in 1964 … Solzhenitsyn, first tasting fame and glory thanks to Khrushchev, then seeing the West full of ‘Stalin killed tens of millions’ stories, got fabulously rich going along with this, playing the ‘Soviet dissident hero’ for rapt audiences
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/red-zog/
    http://www.mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html

    Surprising many, 10 notable Jewish holocaust deniers:

    (1) Joseph Ginzburg (1908-90) aka Joseph G. Burg, who personally interviewed Auschwitz survivors & had his books burned by postwar West Germany
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/09/Josef-Burg.html

    (2) Guy Dommergue (1924-2013), full name Roger Guy Dommergue Polacco de Menasce, French anti-circumcision activist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2014/09/Circumcision-Explains-Jewish-Psyche.html

    (3) Bobby Fischer (1943-2008), chess master & USA dissident
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/bobby-fischer-speaks-jews/

    (4) Jacob Cohen (born 1944), his earliest childhood in Morocco

    (5) Robert Litoff (born 1945), Connecticut-born Phi Beta Kappa in psychology
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (6) Gerard Menuhin (born 1948), son of the famous violinist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/11/does-holocaust-denier-book.html

    (7) Nathanael Kapner (born 1950), convert to Orthodox Christianity & prominent web dissident
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (8) Norman Finkelstein (born 1954), Princeton PhD & author of ‘The Holocaust Industry’
    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/09/04/finkelstein-on-the-new-anti-semitism-and-the-holocaust-industry/

    (9) Ron Keeva Unz (born 1961), running the successful, California-based, conservative Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    (10) David Christopher Cole (born 1968), who as ‘David Stein’ made a 1992 video saying Auschwitz was significantly fake
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/vAFKVGuW0QL1/

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    Ah that idiot Solzhenitsyn, he should've just rolled up to the Lubyanka, knocked on the door and asked them to give him detailed reports on all the people arrested, placed in work camps and executed by the Cheka, NKVD and KGB. Why what could've gone wrong? :)
    Instead he had to make guesses and ask around dissident circles for information
    Him being wrong is inexcusable, but the Soviet Government lying about it's repression is A-okay
    Because true Communism is just around the corner :)
    , @another anon
    Thank you, Mr. Brabantian, you never disappoint us. ;-)

    BTW, what you think about the New Chronology theory?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)

    Brilliant Russian scientists applied cutting edge methods of historical revisionism to ancient and medieval history, and found, unsurprisingly, it is as big hoax as modern history.
    Ancient "Egypt", "Greece", "Rome" etc. are as completely fake as "holocaust", "moon landing", "9/11", "nuclear weapons" and other thinks we are supposed to believe in.

    Wake up, sheeple!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtUXj522JBY
    , @getaclue
    You need to list this guy too maybe? Seems he's not on board with your "narrative"? How can he be so misled when you have listed "da facts"? He seems pretty darn certain hmmm -- you know saying something like this over in the land of "the Chosen"-- you would have to believe he had his "ducks lined up" to go with something like this to his fellows over there?:

    "Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."-- He says more like 20 Million murdered in large part by your lads? Is he a Goyim "Agent"? Quick list, slander and de-person him! -- IMMEDIATELY! -- in accord with your instructions Comrade! https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
    , @DavidChanin riskanalyst
    Your list of ten supposed jews who reject the Holocaust Lie includes Gerard Menuhin, a goy son of famous jewish violinist Yehudi Menuhin. Jewish lineage is matrilineal and Gerard was the son of Yehudi's non-jewish second wife, the famed British ballet dancer Diana Gould.

    Norman Finkelstein did indeed write the book The Holocaust Industry but he's criticizing mostly the money-grubbing to capitalize on the story to gain both dollars and also to have the claims of moral supremacy that justify Israeli's flagrant violation of international laws. He doesn't say the Holocaust itself didn't happen.

    And David Cole/Stein has recanted his claim to fame of the 90s challenging the Auschwitz fable after going into hiding for many years fearing assassination by the JDL only to reemerge saying that he'd been mistaken and that while it may not have been 6 million, it was a large number killed both intentional and systematic.

    The term "Holocaust Denier" is a hugely successful psyops tool the jews adapted from the CIA's greatly beneficial use of "conspiracy theorist" to denigrate anyone who had an interest in what really happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
  29. @animalogic
    Absolutely.
    Whether stated explicitly or not, Russians have a right (& duty) to explain to the world the incredible sacrifices the USSR, Russia, made during W.W II.
    Its unfortunate, & genuinely depressing, that some can not admit the sufferings of others because of the fear that their own past suffering could be somehow (in imagination ?) diminished by the comparison.

    You need to get out and about in the world, as opposed to relying on stereotypes.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    Great reply. Tells me nothing. Getting out & stereotypes...ok.... Sorry, does tell me you don't agree. That's something.
  30. @animalogic
    Absolutely.
    Whether stated explicitly or not, Russians have a right (& duty) to explain to the world the incredible sacrifices the USSR, Russia, made during W.W II.
    Its unfortunate, & genuinely depressing, that some can not admit the sufferings of others because of the fear that their own past suffering could be somehow (in imagination ?) diminished by the comparison.

    My error. My initial reply to you was directed at your comment number 27.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    I think you're responding to neutral at # 27 ?
  31. @Mikhail
    You need to get out and about in the world, as opposed to relying on stereotypes.

    Great reply. Tells me nothing. Getting out & stereotypes…ok…. Sorry, does tell me you don’t agree. That’s something.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Over the years, I've had numerous encounters with people of a former USSR Jewish background in the US. (To a good extent those living in Brighton Beach and surrounding areas).

    This article describes the favorable treatment Zhirinovsky received in Brighton Beach:

    http://911digitalarchive.org/items/show/1353

    Ed Lozansky, Mark Ames and Stephen Cohen aren't Russia haters. I can go on.
    , @Mikhail
    Over the years, I've had numerous encounters with people of a former USSR Jewish background in the US. (To a good extent those living in Brighton Beach and surrounding areas).

    This article describes the favorable treatment Zhirinovsky received in Brighton Beach:

    http://911digitalarchive.org/items/show/1353

    Ed Lozansky, Mark Ames and Stephen Cohen aren't Russia haters. I can go on.
  32. @Mikhail
    My error. My initial reply to you was directed at your comment number 27.

    I think you’re responding to neutral at # 27 ?

  33. @animalogic
    Great reply. Tells me nothing. Getting out & stereotypes...ok.... Sorry, does tell me you don't agree. That's something.

    Over the years, I’ve had numerous encounters with people of a former USSR Jewish background in the US. (To a good extent those living in Brighton Beach and surrounding areas).

    This article describes the favorable treatment Zhirinovsky received in Brighton Beach:

    http://911digitalarchive.org/items/show/1353

    Ed Lozansky, Mark Ames and Stephen Cohen aren’t Russia haters. I can go on.

  34. Don’t know why people think Israel and Russia have good relations, they manifestly don’t, Russia continually takes the position diametrically opposed to Israel, even as far as offering Lebanon SAMs. Putin always maintains rhetorical pleasantries but so what? Netanyahu has to suck up, unlike with the Americans.

    Anyway everyone knows the holocaust didn’t actually happen, our good host has explained why elsewhere on his site.

  35. @animalogic
    Great reply. Tells me nothing. Getting out & stereotypes...ok.... Sorry, does tell me you don't agree. That's something.

    Over the years, I’ve had numerous encounters with people of a former USSR Jewish background in the US. (To a good extent those living in Brighton Beach and surrounding areas).

    This article describes the favorable treatment Zhirinovsky received in Brighton Beach:

    http://911digitalarchive.org/items/show/1353

    Ed Lozansky, Mark Ames and Stephen Cohen aren’t Russia haters. I can go on.

  36. @Brabantian
    Genocide denial bibliography

    Rejection of the Armenian genocide narrative by the Turkish foreign ministry
    http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa

    Israel Shamir's remarkable essay, on Cambodians rejecting the Pol Pot genocide narrative, as a fiction profiting Vietnamese invaders, plus USA warmongers distracting from their own war crimes
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/

    Canadian Marxist Douglas Tottle (1944-c. 2003), his 1987 book denying the 'Holodomor', as based on a mish-mash of Hitler-Nazi propaganda plus Hearst media fanatic anti-Bolshevism, Tottle's 'Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth', free online here
    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

    Denial of the 'Stalin killed tens of millions' narrative, based on Soviet archives listing, e.g., about 10 million total arrested during thirty years of Stalin's rule (The USA arrests 10 million people every single year these days!) ... Some grounding the motive for the 'genocidal Stalin' stories in the Jewish hostility to Stalin removing so many Jews from power in the late 1930s

    And including an aggressive attack on monarchist, far-rightist, pro-Franco etc, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), whose first 'Stalin gulag' book in 1962 was sponsored by Nikita Khrushchev himself, Khrushchev hoping anti-Stalinism would stave off the coup that drove him from power in 1964 ... Solzhenitsyn, first tasting fame and glory thanks to Khrushchev, then seeing the West full of 'Stalin killed tens of millions' stories, got fabulously rich going along with this, playing the 'Soviet dissident hero' for rapt audiences
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/red-zog/
    http://www.mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html

    Surprising many, 10 notable Jewish holocaust deniers:

    (1) Joseph Ginzburg (1908-90) aka Joseph G. Burg, who personally interviewed Auschwitz survivors & had his books burned by postwar West Germany
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/09/Josef-Burg.html

    (2) Guy Dommergue (1924-2013), full name Roger Guy Dommergue Polacco de Menasce, French anti-circumcision activist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2014/09/Circumcision-Explains-Jewish-Psyche.html

    (3) Bobby Fischer (1943-2008), chess master & USA dissident
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/bobby-fischer-speaks-jews/

    (4) Jacob Cohen (born 1944), his earliest childhood in Morocco
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIDfRwcP8P0

    (5) Robert Litoff (born 1945), Connecticut-born Phi Beta Kappa in psychology
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (6) Gerard Menuhin (born 1948), son of the famous violinist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/11/does-holocaust-denier-book.html

    (7) Nathanael Kapner (born 1950), convert to Orthodox Christianity & prominent web dissident
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (8) Norman Finkelstein (born 1954), Princeton PhD & author of 'The Holocaust Industry'
    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/09/04/finkelstein-on-the-new-anti-semitism-and-the-holocaust-industry/

    (9) Ron Keeva Unz (born 1961), running the successful, California-based, conservative Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    (10) David Christopher Cole (born 1968), who as 'David Stein' made a 1992 video saying Auschwitz was significantly fake
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/vAFKVGuW0QL1/

    Ah that idiot Solzhenitsyn, he should’ve just rolled up to the Lubyanka, knocked on the door and asked them to give him detailed reports on all the people arrested, placed in work camps and executed by the Cheka, NKVD and KGB. Why what could’ve gone wrong? 🙂
    Instead he had to make guesses and ask around dissident circles for information
    Him being wrong is inexcusable, but the Soviet Government lying about it’s repression is A-okay
    Because true Communism is just around the corner 🙂

    • Replies: @iffen
    Bitter. Was it something they did?
  37. @Korenchkin
    Ah that idiot Solzhenitsyn, he should've just rolled up to the Lubyanka, knocked on the door and asked them to give him detailed reports on all the people arrested, placed in work camps and executed by the Cheka, NKVD and KGB. Why what could've gone wrong? :)
    Instead he had to make guesses and ask around dissident circles for information
    Him being wrong is inexcusable, but the Soviet Government lying about it's repression is A-okay
    Because true Communism is just around the corner :)

    Bitter. Was it something they did?

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    Yes I'm bitter
    Sovoks arguing that Solzhenitsyn was a "russophobic fascist" or some other nonsense because his numbers were wrong forget that he had to do guesswork to come up with those figures, since the archives of the Soviet secret police remained locked and anyone who went snooping was looking to lose his head
    In the West he became disliked since he refused the claim that Bolshevism is inherently Russian and argued that Belarus and Ukraine are integral parts of Russia
    When the curtain went down he returned to Russia and tried to heal the wounds left by Communist leadership which was busy departing to the West
  38. the Germans gave the Jews lemons in 1941-45, and then the Jews made lemonade.

    I’m totally going to steal this.

  39. @Brabantian
    Genocide denial bibliography

    Rejection of the Armenian genocide narrative by the Turkish foreign ministry
    http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa

    Israel Shamir's remarkable essay, on Cambodians rejecting the Pol Pot genocide narrative, as a fiction profiting Vietnamese invaders, plus USA warmongers distracting from their own war crimes
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/

    Canadian Marxist Douglas Tottle (1944-c. 2003), his 1987 book denying the 'Holodomor', as based on a mish-mash of Hitler-Nazi propaganda plus Hearst media fanatic anti-Bolshevism, Tottle's 'Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth', free online here
    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

    Denial of the 'Stalin killed tens of millions' narrative, based on Soviet archives listing, e.g., about 10 million total arrested during thirty years of Stalin's rule (The USA arrests 10 million people every single year these days!) ... Some grounding the motive for the 'genocidal Stalin' stories in the Jewish hostility to Stalin removing so many Jews from power in the late 1930s

    And including an aggressive attack on monarchist, far-rightist, pro-Franco etc, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), whose first 'Stalin gulag' book in 1962 was sponsored by Nikita Khrushchev himself, Khrushchev hoping anti-Stalinism would stave off the coup that drove him from power in 1964 ... Solzhenitsyn, first tasting fame and glory thanks to Khrushchev, then seeing the West full of 'Stalin killed tens of millions' stories, got fabulously rich going along with this, playing the 'Soviet dissident hero' for rapt audiences
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/red-zog/
    http://www.mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html

    Surprising many, 10 notable Jewish holocaust deniers:

    (1) Joseph Ginzburg (1908-90) aka Joseph G. Burg, who personally interviewed Auschwitz survivors & had his books burned by postwar West Germany
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/09/Josef-Burg.html

    (2) Guy Dommergue (1924-2013), full name Roger Guy Dommergue Polacco de Menasce, French anti-circumcision activist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2014/09/Circumcision-Explains-Jewish-Psyche.html

    (3) Bobby Fischer (1943-2008), chess master & USA dissident
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/bobby-fischer-speaks-jews/

    (4) Jacob Cohen (born 1944), his earliest childhood in Morocco
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIDfRwcP8P0

    (5) Robert Litoff (born 1945), Connecticut-born Phi Beta Kappa in psychology
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (6) Gerard Menuhin (born 1948), son of the famous violinist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/11/does-holocaust-denier-book.html

    (7) Nathanael Kapner (born 1950), convert to Orthodox Christianity & prominent web dissident
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (8) Norman Finkelstein (born 1954), Princeton PhD & author of 'The Holocaust Industry'
    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/09/04/finkelstein-on-the-new-anti-semitism-and-the-holocaust-industry/

    (9) Ron Keeva Unz (born 1961), running the successful, California-based, conservative Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    (10) David Christopher Cole (born 1968), who as 'David Stein' made a 1992 video saying Auschwitz was significantly fake
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/vAFKVGuW0QL1/

    Thank you, Mr. Brabantian, you never disappoint us. 😉

    BTW, what you think about the New Chronology theory?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)

    Brilliant Russian scientists applied cutting edge methods of historical revisionism to ancient and medieval history, and found, unsurprisingly, it is as big hoax as modern history.
    Ancient “Egypt”, “Greece”, “Rome” etc. are as completely fake as “holocaust”, “moon landing”, “9/11”, “nuclear weapons” and other thinks we are supposed to believe in.

    Wake up, sheeple!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    The New Chronology Theory is just another stupid and baseless conspiracy theory. The eminent Mr. Peabody thoroughly debunked the idea that human history began somehow during the medieval period, by traveling back in time using his ingeniously crafted WABAC time machine. In this short documentary (left for posterity's sake), Mr, Peabody and his pet boy Sherman travel back to China in 214 B.C. to witness the building of the Great Wall of China. Not to be missed:

    https://youtu.be/NdPURdzSb74?list=PL6Y9VfOHF2mwrDq7iaaC4V5O-8VUhVB0T

    , @Europe Europa
    The New Chronology and proponents of similar theories, most of whom are Russian, seem to rather conveniently always put Russia at the centre of the "real history".

    Their take on British history is not very positive, they usually argue that British history is just a copy of ancient Russian history and that Britain doesn't really have any ancient history, it's all Russian history or something like that. The New Choronology and similar is certainly an interesting insight into the Russian mentality.
  40. There seems to be as much, if not more, Americophobia in the world as there is Russophobia. Yet, you don’t see Trump groveling in front of the world seeking sympathy, like you see Putler doing. I guess it’s the difference between a real superpower and a wannabe.

    • Replies: @Friend

    There seems to be as much, if not more, Americophobia in the world as there is Russophobia. Yet, you don’t see Trump groveling in front of the world seeking sympathy, like you see Putler doing. I guess it’s the difference between a real superpower and a wannabe.
     
    How can an informed person say this with a straight face?

    Trump is groveling. His actions speak louder than his words, or lack thereof. Everything that he could possibly do to Israel, other than going to war with the latter's foes, he has done.

    Putin neither supported the thrashing of the Iran deal nor endorsed Israeli territorial grab. Trump has been so submissive to Israeli interests that for many of his history-savvy supporters (or former supporters), "MIGA" is a more appropriate election slogan.

  41. @Mikhail
    Ioffe doesn't reflect all Jews.

    No– just the “Elite” powerful ones who have instituted the Kalergi Plan (and other “plans”) to destroy Western Civilization and Christianity and who think “Goyim”/non-Jewish (especially Christian) lives are worthless compared to “the Chosen”? There is zero doubt that her statement is fully in line with the ADL and “Elite” Jewish “thought” and propaganda– you deny this?

    Please–Your comment is just such total bs, at the very least most coming here have clued in to what is up from what I have seen of the comments and articles here…– yes there are many “good” Jews (I’ve worked with some) who are like most trying to do the right thing, make an honest living etc. — but to deny the other side which comes thru this Jewish “agent” and the “Elite” who back her — this agenda of denigrating non-Jewish lives? The US Government as basically an “Occupied Government” taking orders from the ADL types? Billions flowing out to Israel and endless wars on their behalf? You don’t know about that?

    How about Ron Unz’ article here — on his well reasoned/educated view finally– after weighing the clear evidence for years of who actually did 911? “Who benefited?” You know those “folks”? The ones who run the NYSlimes, the Mainslime Media, the Satanic “Entertainment” Industry (https://vigilantcitizen.com/ ) who are behind all things Masonic (using useful idiots for that massive anti-Christian Luciferian agenda)–who “Thru Deception Wage War”– you don’t know about any of that? You don’t get out much?

    A very learned friend of mine calls the dichotomy “Big Jews and Small Jews” — the “Big Jews” are running this agenda and the “small Jews” are those getting assaulted and killed by the Black thugs in NYC who are being told by the others to shut up about it because “White Supremacy” and their “common enemy”–there has been at least one article here on this and I have seen a brave Jew speak up about it otherwise https://www.takimag.com/article/suicide-final-solution/ –the pathology at issue of so much hatred against “Whites”(Christianity/Western Civilization) that they are good with “sacrificing” some “small” Jews on this Altar so as to destroy “whitey”/Christianity/Western Civilization– which they have done a fine job at if you look around (with more to come obviously)– Soros? Mass immigration as “the Great Replacement”? Behind it all who always pops up? Coincidence? Who is managing this and funding it? https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/20/the-genocidal-kalergi-plan-to-destroy-the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

    Try being honest maybe? The Globohomo agenda and the NWO–Rothschild “specials” for us all aiming at our destruction — with their current “front man” Soros but lots of others? To point out reality is not antisemetic– to not do so is insanity at this point! –Here you go, how about this?: “former Israeli Education Minister Shulamit Aloni confessed to Amy Goodman about this name-calling Hasbara tactic: “Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country [the US] people are criticizing Israel, then they are antisemitic.” — seems we have the truth right here? You should try some– “Truth — It’s The Real Thing!”

  42. @Brabantian
    Genocide denial bibliography

    Rejection of the Armenian genocide narrative by the Turkish foreign ministry
    http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa

    Israel Shamir's remarkable essay, on Cambodians rejecting the Pol Pot genocide narrative, as a fiction profiting Vietnamese invaders, plus USA warmongers distracting from their own war crimes
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/

    Canadian Marxist Douglas Tottle (1944-c. 2003), his 1987 book denying the 'Holodomor', as based on a mish-mash of Hitler-Nazi propaganda plus Hearst media fanatic anti-Bolshevism, Tottle's 'Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth', free online here
    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

    Denial of the 'Stalin killed tens of millions' narrative, based on Soviet archives listing, e.g., about 10 million total arrested during thirty years of Stalin's rule (The USA arrests 10 million people every single year these days!) ... Some grounding the motive for the 'genocidal Stalin' stories in the Jewish hostility to Stalin removing so many Jews from power in the late 1930s

    And including an aggressive attack on monarchist, far-rightist, pro-Franco etc, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), whose first 'Stalin gulag' book in 1962 was sponsored by Nikita Khrushchev himself, Khrushchev hoping anti-Stalinism would stave off the coup that drove him from power in 1964 ... Solzhenitsyn, first tasting fame and glory thanks to Khrushchev, then seeing the West full of 'Stalin killed tens of millions' stories, got fabulously rich going along with this, playing the 'Soviet dissident hero' for rapt audiences
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/red-zog/
    http://www.mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html

    Surprising many, 10 notable Jewish holocaust deniers:

    (1) Joseph Ginzburg (1908-90) aka Joseph G. Burg, who personally interviewed Auschwitz survivors & had his books burned by postwar West Germany
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/09/Josef-Burg.html

    (2) Guy Dommergue (1924-2013), full name Roger Guy Dommergue Polacco de Menasce, French anti-circumcision activist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2014/09/Circumcision-Explains-Jewish-Psyche.html

    (3) Bobby Fischer (1943-2008), chess master & USA dissident
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/bobby-fischer-speaks-jews/

    (4) Jacob Cohen (born 1944), his earliest childhood in Morocco
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIDfRwcP8P0

    (5) Robert Litoff (born 1945), Connecticut-born Phi Beta Kappa in psychology
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (6) Gerard Menuhin (born 1948), son of the famous violinist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/11/does-holocaust-denier-book.html

    (7) Nathanael Kapner (born 1950), convert to Orthodox Christianity & prominent web dissident
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (8) Norman Finkelstein (born 1954), Princeton PhD & author of 'The Holocaust Industry'
    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/09/04/finkelstein-on-the-new-anti-semitism-and-the-holocaust-industry/

    (9) Ron Keeva Unz (born 1961), running the successful, California-based, conservative Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    (10) David Christopher Cole (born 1968), who as 'David Stein' made a 1992 video saying Auschwitz was significantly fake
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/vAFKVGuW0QL1/

    You need to list this guy too maybe? Seems he’s not on board with your “narrative”? How can he be so misled when you have listed “da facts”? He seems pretty darn certain hmmm — you know saying something like this over in the land of “the Chosen”– you would have to believe he had his “ducks lined up” to go with something like this to his fellows over there?:

    “Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We’ll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD’s special department and the organization’s chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.”– He says more like 20 Million murdered in large part by your lads? Is he a Goyim “Agent”? Quick list, slander and de-person him! — IMMEDIATELY! — in accord with your instructions Comrade! https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

  43. Slavic/Eastern European countries are the most overtly pro-Jewish countries in Europe if not the world, as in specifically offering citizenship to Jews and overtly taking sides with Israel/Zionists against the Palestinians which is not something that even most Western countries do.

    Eastern European presidents like Milos Zeman and Viktor Orban are extremely pro-Jewish and pro-Zionist to the point of grovelling to them. There’s a certain type of populist, right wing Slav/Eastern European who practically worships Jews.

    • Troll: Korenchkin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    That's a right winger issue in general, not East European.

    Palestine recognition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    More recent:

    http://www.iinclude.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/map-recognition.jpg
  44. @another anon
    Thank you, Mr. Brabantian, you never disappoint us. ;-)

    BTW, what you think about the New Chronology theory?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)

    Brilliant Russian scientists applied cutting edge methods of historical revisionism to ancient and medieval history, and found, unsurprisingly, it is as big hoax as modern history.
    Ancient "Egypt", "Greece", "Rome" etc. are as completely fake as "holocaust", "moon landing", "9/11", "nuclear weapons" and other thinks we are supposed to believe in.

    Wake up, sheeple!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtUXj522JBY

    The New Chronology Theory is just another stupid and baseless conspiracy theory. The eminent Mr. Peabody thoroughly debunked the idea that human history began somehow during the medieval period, by traveling back in time using his ingeniously crafted WABAC time machine. In this short documentary (left for posterity’s sake), Mr, Peabody and his pet boy Sherman travel back to China in 214 B.C. to witness the building of the Great Wall of China. Not to be missed:

  45. @Europe Europa
    Slavic/Eastern European countries are the most overtly pro-Jewish countries in Europe if not the world, as in specifically offering citizenship to Jews and overtly taking sides with Israel/Zionists against the Palestinians which is not something that even most Western countries do.

    Eastern European presidents like Milos Zeman and Viktor Orban are extremely pro-Jewish and pro-Zionist to the point of grovelling to them. There's a certain type of populist, right wing Slav/Eastern European who practically worships Jews.

    That’s a right winger issue in general, not East European.

    Palestine recognition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    More recent:

  46. @Dmitry
    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe (although Putin is not so philo-Israeli compared to American politicians). I don't think any other European politician is like that.

    At the same time, on this website, for two years, I've already read many people are writing about Putin's "fight with Jews".

    It's understandable people can be a bit confused when they read about foreign politicians - but there is something lacking in the observation of the real world when the claim become the opposite of ordinary reality.

    Also Putin is not like Republican politicians in America, who love Israel - some of them because they are interested in the real country itself -, while do care about Jews. Putin view is pro-Jews, while he is only moderately warm to Israel often against his interest, and this warm attitude more like part of his attitude to Jews, rather than any interest in Israel the real country.


    -

    Putin's latest kindness today was that after meeting the mother in Israel, he obviously going to intervene in the legal system, to overturn the sentence of an Israeli girl who was carrying cannabis in the briefcase in the airport in Russia.

    Cannabis is harmless, so rationally this girl should never have been punished, let alone in jail - at the same time, it is bit "banana republic president" to overturn even incompetent judges after a meeting the mother of a prisoner in a foreign country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUkYeDfhgE

    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe…

    I think this is one of those “citations needed” claims.

    Putin’s not the raving anti-Semite the more ethnocentric Jews/neocons portray him as, but he doesn’t go out of his way to do them favors either.

    Foreign policy is not exactly much in sync with Jewish interests (rescued Assad; neutrality in Palestine debate; recent military exercises with China and Iran). British Conservative politicians/mainstream are easily far more pro-Jewish than Putin, so is Orban, so was Salvini, etc.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    You can research yourself about Putin - you should be able to synthesize information:

    1. Criminalization of antisemitism - I haven't counted exactly, but my impression of skimming list of extremist material, is the mode component of the criminalized material relates to antisemitism. (the result of almost reversed attitude or "leniency" to this material, which had been all in the 1990s). Before Putin, antisemitic material was quite common and easily distributed.

    2. Judaism is promoted positively on television, as if it is 5-10%, rather than its reality of 0,1% of the population. You have a class on Judaism as part of the school curriculum. But since 2012, they created an official school "fundamentals of Jewish culture" course that schools (probably Jewish schools) can choose to teach to fulfill the component.

    3. Jewish schools, community centres, cultural events - established with government support. All kinds of "Hannukah in the Kremlin". (Again it like a reversal of a pre-Putin situation and attitude to Jews). Schools with Israeli directed syllabus opened in Russia since 2009.

    Of course, this is just symbolic, and not important because of a collapse of Jewish demographics - but the intention and attitude has a reversal after Putin.

    4. Putin's childhood milieu, and friends promoted, and who became wealthy, include disproportionate numbers Jews. This is more like explanation of his attitude.

    5. Putin had married a woman with Jewish roots; one of his daughter marries probably some kind of Mountain Jew.

    6. Putin has open and regular expression of his feelings of Jews.

    7. Putin has some kind of warm attitude to Israel, probably explained as sentimental symptom of above. There are regular concessions for Israel, while not for other Western countries. Israel is married to America, so this is a pointless area.

    I don't think Trump is joking - Putin thinks he will be helping Israel.
    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1019029758938701827


    icy is not exactly much in sync with Jewish interests (rescued Assad; neutrality in Palestine debate

     

    Until 1999, the foreign policy was pro-Palestine. Putin has shifted to this "neutral", and adds a lot of concessions to Israel.

    Another thing which I've seen in my lifetime. Television became pro-Israel, so it is now more sympathetic to Israel than television you can see in Western European countries. (For example, television in the UK has the much more negative attitude about Israel).


    British Conservative politicians/mainstream are easily far more pro-Jewish than Putin, so is Orban, so was Salvini, etc.

     

    I can't see how being "more pro-Jewish", of British or Salvini. Putin has hit all "pro-Jewish" targets that are within the scope of his job. So he has pushed as far as he can in that area,

    He can't save the Jewish birthrate (Jews are probably the lowest fertility rate nationality in Russia), or attract any Jewish people to repatriate. But neither will Salvini magically recreate a dying Jewish community in Italy.

  47. @iffen
    Bitter. Was it something they did?

    Yes I’m bitter
    Sovoks arguing that Solzhenitsyn was a “russophobic fascist” or some other nonsense because his numbers were wrong forget that he had to do guesswork to come up with those figures, since the archives of the Soviet secret police remained locked and anyone who went snooping was looking to lose his head
    In the West he became disliked since he refused the claim that Bolshevism is inherently Russian and argued that Belarus and Ukraine are integral parts of Russia
    When the curtain went down he returned to Russia and tried to heal the wounds left by Communist leadership which was busy departing to the West

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @iffen
    refused the claim that Bolshevism is inherently Russian

    I didn't know this. What exactly did he say? I haven't read his work, and perhaps I should, but have the impression that the was a great writer and a heroic figure for those times.

    He wasn't like AK claiming that ain't none of me was he?
  48. @Korenchkin
    Yes I'm bitter
    Sovoks arguing that Solzhenitsyn was a "russophobic fascist" or some other nonsense because his numbers were wrong forget that he had to do guesswork to come up with those figures, since the archives of the Soviet secret police remained locked and anyone who went snooping was looking to lose his head
    In the West he became disliked since he refused the claim that Bolshevism is inherently Russian and argued that Belarus and Ukraine are integral parts of Russia
    When the curtain went down he returned to Russia and tried to heal the wounds left by Communist leadership which was busy departing to the West

    refused the claim that Bolshevism is inherently Russian

    I didn’t know this. What exactly did he say? I haven’t read his work, and perhaps I should, but have the impression that the was a great writer and a heroic figure for those times.

    He wasn’t like AK claiming that ain’t none of me was he?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    In Lenin In Zurich Solzhenitsyn goes out of his way to emphasize Lenin's un-Russianness, depicting him as pretty much a Germanophile and admirer of efficiency and order and not of alleged Russian sloth. He also tends to play up the non-Russian elements of his environment - he has Parvus writing to Lenin a letter that alternates Russian and German sentences. It was only later that it struck me this was absurd - if Parvus communicated with Lenin it would be in one language or the other but not both - but as a way of presenting Parvus and others as "not really Russian" it is rather clever.
    In his comments on the radical historical characters at the end of the book, Solzhenitsyn is a little more favourable to the ethnic Russians than to the ones with Jewish or other backgrounds. For example, Shlyapnikov and Potresov come off better than the others in his assessments.
    Solzhenitsyn at times teeters on the brink of saying the Bolsheviks and the left in Russia were basically Jews, but perhaps mindful of Western patronage, he never quite gets there. But he does play up un-Russian elements.
  49. @iffen
    refused the claim that Bolshevism is inherently Russian

    I didn't know this. What exactly did he say? I haven't read his work, and perhaps I should, but have the impression that the was a great writer and a heroic figure for those times.

    He wasn't like AK claiming that ain't none of me was he?

    In Lenin In Zurich Solzhenitsyn goes out of his way to emphasize Lenin’s un-Russianness, depicting him as pretty much a Germanophile and admirer of efficiency and order and not of alleged Russian sloth. He also tends to play up the non-Russian elements of his environment – he has Parvus writing to Lenin a letter that alternates Russian and German sentences. It was only later that it struck me this was absurd – if Parvus communicated with Lenin it would be in one language or the other but not both – but as a way of presenting Parvus and others as “not really Russian” it is rather clever.
    In his comments on the radical historical characters at the end of the book, Solzhenitsyn is a little more favourable to the ethnic Russians than to the ones with Jewish or other backgrounds. For example, Shlyapnikov and Potresov come off better than the others in his assessments.
    Solzhenitsyn at times teeters on the brink of saying the Bolsheviks and the left in Russia were basically Jews, but perhaps mindful of Western patronage, he never quite gets there. But he does play up un-Russian elements.

    • Thanks: iffen
  50. @Anatoly Karlin

    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe...
     
    I think this is one of those "citations needed" claims.

    Putin's not the raving anti-Semite the more ethnocentric Jews/neocons portray him as, but he doesn't go out of his way to do them favors either.

    Foreign policy is not exactly much in sync with Jewish interests (rescued Assad; neutrality in Palestine debate; recent military exercises with China and Iran). British Conservative politicians/mainstream are easily far more pro-Jewish than Putin, so is Orban, so was Salvini, etc.

    You can research yourself about Putin – you should be able to synthesize information:

    1. Criminalization of antisemitism – I haven’t counted exactly, but my impression of skimming list of extremist material, is the mode component of the criminalized material relates to antisemitism. (the result of almost reversed attitude or “leniency” to this material, which had been all in the 1990s). Before Putin, antisemitic material was quite common and easily distributed.

    2. Judaism is promoted positively on television, as if it is 5-10%, rather than its reality of 0,1% of the population. You have a class on Judaism as part of the school curriculum. But since 2012, they created an official school “fundamentals of Jewish culture” course that schools (probably Jewish schools) can choose to teach to fulfill the component.

    3. Jewish schools, community centres, cultural events – established with government support. All kinds of “Hannukah in the Kremlin”. (Again it like a reversal of a pre-Putin situation and attitude to Jews). Schools with Israeli directed syllabus opened in Russia since 2009.

    Of course, this is just symbolic, and not important because of a collapse of Jewish demographics – but the intention and attitude has a reversal after Putin.

    4. Putin’s childhood milieu, and friends promoted, and who became wealthy, include disproportionate numbers Jews. This is more like explanation of his attitude.

    5. Putin had married a woman with Jewish roots; one of his daughter marries probably some kind of Mountain Jew.

    6. Putin has open and regular expression of his feelings of Jews.

    7. Putin has some kind of warm attitude to Israel, probably explained as sentimental symptom of above. There are regular concessions for Israel, while not for other Western countries. Israel is married to America, so this is a pointless area.

    I don’t think Trump is joking – Putin thinks he will be helping Israel.

    icy is not exactly much in sync with Jewish interests (rescued Assad; neutrality in Palestine debate

    Until 1999, the foreign policy was pro-Palestine. Putin has shifted to this “neutral”, and adds a lot of concessions to Israel.

    Another thing which I’ve seen in my lifetime. Television became pro-Israel, so it is now more sympathetic to Israel than television you can see in Western European countries. (For example, television in the UK has the much more negative attitude about Israel).

    British Conservative politicians/mainstream are easily far more pro-Jewish than Putin, so is Orban, so was Salvini, etc.

    I can’t see how being “more pro-Jewish”, of British or Salvini. Putin has hit all “pro-Jewish” targets that are within the scope of his job. So he has pushed as far as he can in that area,

    He can’t save the Jewish birthrate (Jews are probably the lowest fertility rate nationality in Russia), or attract any Jewish people to repatriate. But neither will Salvini magically recreate a dying Jewish community in Italy.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Dmitry

    Until 1999, the foreign policy was pro-Palestine. Putin has shifted to this “neutral”, and adds a lot of concessions to Israel.

     

    For example, exception of normal rules to pay a state pension to non-Russian citizen Israelis, who had renounced previously their Soviet citizenship.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    I am aware of most of that. I would still submit that the UK has most of that, and more in other departments. And there are nuances, e.g. yes, anti-Semitism partially criminalized under general hate speech laws (although they were recently decriminalized - HAIL PUTLER), but in practice most prosecutions were for insulting Caucasians. COG > ZOG in Russia. Sure, Jews prevalent amongst oligarchs - but that was the case from the start. Putin doesn't want to make enemies of the Jews (all Jews at any rate) and makes nice with the Chabad faction. Sure, Putin makes concessions for Israel, but Israel makes concessions for Russia too. Didn't impose sanctions on Russia like most of the West over Crimea, often takes neutral stance in the UN on our various disputes (US & Co. vote against us), has visa free regime with Russia, etc. So that's more reciprocity than concessions. Finally, many Russians have some Jewish ancestry (even I do) especially in SPB/Moscow... and Putin's daughter divorced Shalimov. The other one didn't marry a Jew. Reading too much into this IMO.
    , @Europe Europa
    A lot of right wingers naively associate being pro-Israel with being right wing and patriotic. They look at Israel as this tough, masculine nation bravely fighting hordes of brown terrorists so it doesn't surprise me that the Russian right is enthusiastic about Israel.

    It doesn't help that most white anti-Israel types are leftists, environmentalists, etc, the sort of people that right wingers regard as weak.
  51. @Dmitry
    You can research yourself about Putin - you should be able to synthesize information:

    1. Criminalization of antisemitism - I haven't counted exactly, but my impression of skimming list of extremist material, is the mode component of the criminalized material relates to antisemitism. (the result of almost reversed attitude or "leniency" to this material, which had been all in the 1990s). Before Putin, antisemitic material was quite common and easily distributed.

    2. Judaism is promoted positively on television, as if it is 5-10%, rather than its reality of 0,1% of the population. You have a class on Judaism as part of the school curriculum. But since 2012, they created an official school "fundamentals of Jewish culture" course that schools (probably Jewish schools) can choose to teach to fulfill the component.

    3. Jewish schools, community centres, cultural events - established with government support. All kinds of "Hannukah in the Kremlin". (Again it like a reversal of a pre-Putin situation and attitude to Jews). Schools with Israeli directed syllabus opened in Russia since 2009.

    Of course, this is just symbolic, and not important because of a collapse of Jewish demographics - but the intention and attitude has a reversal after Putin.

    4. Putin's childhood milieu, and friends promoted, and who became wealthy, include disproportionate numbers Jews. This is more like explanation of his attitude.

    5. Putin had married a woman with Jewish roots; one of his daughter marries probably some kind of Mountain Jew.

    6. Putin has open and regular expression of his feelings of Jews.

    7. Putin has some kind of warm attitude to Israel, probably explained as sentimental symptom of above. There are regular concessions for Israel, while not for other Western countries. Israel is married to America, so this is a pointless area.

    I don't think Trump is joking - Putin thinks he will be helping Israel.
    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1019029758938701827


    icy is not exactly much in sync with Jewish interests (rescued Assad; neutrality in Palestine debate

     

    Until 1999, the foreign policy was pro-Palestine. Putin has shifted to this "neutral", and adds a lot of concessions to Israel.

    Another thing which I've seen in my lifetime. Television became pro-Israel, so it is now more sympathetic to Israel than television you can see in Western European countries. (For example, television in the UK has the much more negative attitude about Israel).


    British Conservative politicians/mainstream are easily far more pro-Jewish than Putin, so is Orban, so was Salvini, etc.

     

    I can't see how being "more pro-Jewish", of British or Salvini. Putin has hit all "pro-Jewish" targets that are within the scope of his job. So he has pushed as far as he can in that area,

    He can't save the Jewish birthrate (Jews are probably the lowest fertility rate nationality in Russia), or attract any Jewish people to repatriate. But neither will Salvini magically recreate a dying Jewish community in Italy.

    Until 1999, the foreign policy was pro-Palestine. Putin has shifted to this “neutral”, and adds a lot of concessions to Israel.

    For example, exception of normal rules to pay a state pension to non-Russian citizen Israelis, who had renounced previously their Soviet citizenship.

  52. @Brabantian
    Genocide denial bibliography

    Rejection of the Armenian genocide narrative by the Turkish foreign ministry
    http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa

    Israel Shamir's remarkable essay, on Cambodians rejecting the Pol Pot genocide narrative, as a fiction profiting Vietnamese invaders, plus USA warmongers distracting from their own war crimes
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/

    Canadian Marxist Douglas Tottle (1944-c. 2003), his 1987 book denying the 'Holodomor', as based on a mish-mash of Hitler-Nazi propaganda plus Hearst media fanatic anti-Bolshevism, Tottle's 'Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth', free online here
    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

    Denial of the 'Stalin killed tens of millions' narrative, based on Soviet archives listing, e.g., about 10 million total arrested during thirty years of Stalin's rule (The USA arrests 10 million people every single year these days!) ... Some grounding the motive for the 'genocidal Stalin' stories in the Jewish hostility to Stalin removing so many Jews from power in the late 1930s

    And including an aggressive attack on monarchist, far-rightist, pro-Franco etc, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), whose first 'Stalin gulag' book in 1962 was sponsored by Nikita Khrushchev himself, Khrushchev hoping anti-Stalinism would stave off the coup that drove him from power in 1964 ... Solzhenitsyn, first tasting fame and glory thanks to Khrushchev, then seeing the West full of 'Stalin killed tens of millions' stories, got fabulously rich going along with this, playing the 'Soviet dissident hero' for rapt audiences
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/red-zog/
    http://www.mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html

    Surprising many, 10 notable Jewish holocaust deniers:

    (1) Joseph Ginzburg (1908-90) aka Joseph G. Burg, who personally interviewed Auschwitz survivors & had his books burned by postwar West Germany
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/09/Josef-Burg.html

    (2) Guy Dommergue (1924-2013), full name Roger Guy Dommergue Polacco de Menasce, French anti-circumcision activist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2014/09/Circumcision-Explains-Jewish-Psyche.html

    (3) Bobby Fischer (1943-2008), chess master & USA dissident
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/bobby-fischer-speaks-jews/

    (4) Jacob Cohen (born 1944), his earliest childhood in Morocco
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIDfRwcP8P0

    (5) Robert Litoff (born 1945), Connecticut-born Phi Beta Kappa in psychology
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (6) Gerard Menuhin (born 1948), son of the famous violinist
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/11/does-holocaust-denier-book.html

    (7) Nathanael Kapner (born 1950), convert to Orthodox Christianity & prominent web dissident
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

    (8) Norman Finkelstein (born 1954), Princeton PhD & author of 'The Holocaust Industry'
    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/09/04/finkelstein-on-the-new-anti-semitism-and-the-holocaust-industry/

    (9) Ron Keeva Unz (born 1961), running the successful, California-based, conservative Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    (10) David Christopher Cole (born 1968), who as 'David Stein' made a 1992 video saying Auschwitz was significantly fake
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/vAFKVGuW0QL1/

    Your list of ten supposed jews who reject the Holocaust Lie includes Gerard Menuhin, a goy son of famous jewish violinist Yehudi Menuhin. Jewish lineage is matrilineal and Gerard was the son of Yehudi’s non-jewish second wife, the famed British ballet dancer Diana Gould.

    Norman Finkelstein did indeed write the book The Holocaust Industry but he’s criticizing mostly the money-grubbing to capitalize on the story to gain both dollars and also to have the claims of moral supremacy that justify Israeli’s flagrant violation of international laws. He doesn’t say the Holocaust itself didn’t happen.

    And David Cole/Stein has recanted his claim to fame of the 90s challenging the Auschwitz fable after going into hiding for many years fearing assassination by the JDL only to reemerge saying that he’d been mistaken and that while it may not have been 6 million, it was a large number killed both intentional and systematic.

    The term “Holocaust Denier” is a hugely successful psyops tool the jews adapted from the CIA’s greatly beneficial use of “conspiracy theorist” to denigrate anyone who had an interest in what really happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

  53. @Dmitry
    For 20 years now Putin has been the most philosemitic politician of Europe (although Putin is not so philo-Israeli compared to American politicians). I don't think any other European politician is like that.

    At the same time, on this website, for two years, I've already read many people are writing about Putin's "fight with Jews".

    It's understandable people can be a bit confused when they read about foreign politicians - but there is something lacking in the observation of the real world when the claim become the opposite of ordinary reality.

    Also Putin is not like Republican politicians in America, who love Israel - some of them because they are interested in the real country itself -, while do care about Jews. Putin view is pro-Jews, while he is only moderately warm to Israel often against his interest, and this warm attitude more like part of his attitude to Jews, rather than any interest in Israel the real country.


    -

    Putin's latest kindness today was that after meeting the mother in Israel, he obviously going to intervene in the legal system, to overturn the sentence of an Israeli girl who was carrying cannabis in the briefcase in the airport in Russia.

    Cannabis is harmless, so rationally this girl should never have been punished, let alone in jail - at the same time, it is bit "banana republic president" to overturn even incompetent judges after a meeting the mother of a prisoner in a foreign country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUkYeDfhgE

    Putin is not so philo-Israeli

    Although he said to the Chabad rabbi Berel Lazar, Putin loves Israel after he had had driven around Israel for vacation in the 1990s, apparently he travelled from the Northern border to Eilat. I found it at 25:55 in the video: https://youtu.be/U7hout-coSA?t=1555.

  54. @Dmitry
    You can research yourself about Putin - you should be able to synthesize information:

    1. Criminalization of antisemitism - I haven't counted exactly, but my impression of skimming list of extremist material, is the mode component of the criminalized material relates to antisemitism. (the result of almost reversed attitude or "leniency" to this material, which had been all in the 1990s). Before Putin, antisemitic material was quite common and easily distributed.

    2. Judaism is promoted positively on television, as if it is 5-10%, rather than its reality of 0,1% of the population. You have a class on Judaism as part of the school curriculum. But since 2012, they created an official school "fundamentals of Jewish culture" course that schools (probably Jewish schools) can choose to teach to fulfill the component.

    3. Jewish schools, community centres, cultural events - established with government support. All kinds of "Hannukah in the Kremlin". (Again it like a reversal of a pre-Putin situation and attitude to Jews). Schools with Israeli directed syllabus opened in Russia since 2009.

    Of course, this is just symbolic, and not important because of a collapse of Jewish demographics - but the intention and attitude has a reversal after Putin.

    4. Putin's childhood milieu, and friends promoted, and who became wealthy, include disproportionate numbers Jews. This is more like explanation of his attitude.

    5. Putin had married a woman with Jewish roots; one of his daughter marries probably some kind of Mountain Jew.

    6. Putin has open and regular expression of his feelings of Jews.

    7. Putin has some kind of warm attitude to Israel, probably explained as sentimental symptom of above. There are regular concessions for Israel, while not for other Western countries. Israel is married to America, so this is a pointless area.

    I don't think Trump is joking - Putin thinks he will be helping Israel.
    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1019029758938701827


    icy is not exactly much in sync with Jewish interests (rescued Assad; neutrality in Palestine debate

     

    Until 1999, the foreign policy was pro-Palestine. Putin has shifted to this "neutral", and adds a lot of concessions to Israel.

    Another thing which I've seen in my lifetime. Television became pro-Israel, so it is now more sympathetic to Israel than television you can see in Western European countries. (For example, television in the UK has the much more negative attitude about Israel).


    British Conservative politicians/mainstream are easily far more pro-Jewish than Putin, so is Orban, so was Salvini, etc.

     

    I can't see how being "more pro-Jewish", of British or Salvini. Putin has hit all "pro-Jewish" targets that are within the scope of his job. So he has pushed as far as he can in that area,

    He can't save the Jewish birthrate (Jews are probably the lowest fertility rate nationality in Russia), or attract any Jewish people to repatriate. But neither will Salvini magically recreate a dying Jewish community in Italy.

    I am aware of most of that. I would still submit that the UK has most of that, and more in other departments. And there are nuances, e.g. yes, anti-Semitism partially criminalized under general hate speech laws (although they were recently decriminalized – HAIL PUTLER), but in practice most prosecutions were for insulting Caucasians. COG > ZOG in Russia. Sure, Jews prevalent amongst oligarchs – but that was the case from the start. Putin doesn’t want to make enemies of the Jews (all Jews at any rate) and makes nice with the Chabad faction. Sure, Putin makes concessions for Israel, but Israel makes concessions for Russia too. Didn’t impose sanctions on Russia like most of the West over Crimea, often takes neutral stance in the UN on our various disputes (US & Co. vote against us), has visa free regime with Russia, etc. So that’s more reciprocity than concessions. Finally, many Russians have some Jewish ancestry (even I do) especially in SPB/Moscow… and Putin’s daughter divorced Shalimov. The other one didn’t marry a Jew. Reading too much into this IMO.

    • Replies: @iffen
    many Russians have some Jewish ancestry (even I do)

    Say it ain't so, Joe!
    , @Dmitry

    I would still submit that the UK has most of that, and more in other departments. And
     
    Historical context is the opposite.

    In the UK, I doubt there is a socially popular, politically popular, atmosphere of antisemitism until around 2000, that is suppressed after a change of a particular president/prime minister. A single man does not change or reverse a previous situation in the UK. And neither in the UK, is there a reversed policy to state or financial support for reviving a Jewish community, after many decades in the opposite direction.

    Influence of Putin cannot be underestimated in this area.

    Russia was a comparatively (compared to the West) less pleasant social atmosphere for Jews until Putin. Putin is the person who is most responsible for changing it to an opposite situation (although it could probably reverse after he leaves).

    Also Russia had a bad relationship with Israel before Putin. Putin reversed it to a good relationship.

    Notice the reversed attitude of Knesset/Jerusalem to the Kremlin, has also happened. It's not just Netanyahu that loves Putin. Also Shimon Peres loved Putin, Ariel Sharon loved Putin. Ehud Barak (leftwing Prime Minister of Israel), loves Putin which seems like RT is embarrassed because their policy is to reduce support for Israel in English speaking countries.
    https://youtu.be/ex-lnetdjFs?t=1582.

    Finally, in the media. In the BBC, they appoint anti-Israel reporters. While in the first channel, they gave the topic to Sergey Pashkov for 15 years.


    (although they were recently decriminalized – HAIL PUTLER
     
    ?

    Putin doesn’t want to make enemies of the Jews (all Jews at any rate) and makes nice with the Chabad faction. Sure, Putin
     
    It's true Chabad is promoted in Russia. Probably they conform to businessmen of a romantic (or the opposite) stereotype of how their Jewish ancestor should look.

    Lazar says in the video that Chabad's Jewish university in Moscow is promoted by the government, which is unusual support because it otherwise stops a creation of small universities. But Chabad is unpopular in Israel, prevented from spreading too much, and they are Haredim which frighten normal people in Israel.

    Most of Jewish community support in Russia - and generally state support - is trying to revive of secular Jewish culture. If you look at a sample of the kind of program, it is mainly secular:
    https://jevents.ru/programmy-i-kursy/
    https://vk.com/menora_ural

    It's about 90% secular material.


    many Russians have some Jewish ancestry (even I do) especially in SPB/Moscow… and Putin’s daughter divorced Shalimov. The other one didn’t marry a Jew
     
    My comments on this are simply some possible explanation for Putin's philosemitic attitude.

    There are other explanations or stories which relate to his childhood (ignoring "translation").
    .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HLRW1wlfNE.
  55. @Mr. Hack
    There seems to be as much, if not more, Americophobia in the world as there is Russophobia. Yet, you don't see Trump groveling in front of the world seeking sympathy, like you see Putler doing. I guess it's the difference between a real superpower and a wannabe.

    There seems to be as much, if not more, Americophobia in the world as there is Russophobia. Yet, you don’t see Trump groveling in front of the world seeking sympathy, like you see Putler doing. I guess it’s the difference between a real superpower and a wannabe.

    How can an informed person say this with a straight face?

    Trump is groveling. His actions speak louder than his words, or lack thereof. Everything that he could possibly do to Israel, other than going to war with the latter’s foes, he has done.

    Putin neither supported the thrashing of the Iran deal nor endorsed Israeli territorial grab. Trump has been so submissive to Israeli interests that for many of his history-savvy supporters (or former supporters), “MIGA” is a more appropriate election slogan.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    Supporting allies, whether like Israel, Great Britain or even Ukraine is not groveling in front of anybody. The US has ts own important allies and foes around the world that should be treated appropriately. Trump is not standing in front of the world, Like Putin stumping for Russia, requesting that everyone should fall in line and rid themselves of Americophobia.
  56. @Friend

    There seems to be as much, if not more, Americophobia in the world as there is Russophobia. Yet, you don’t see Trump groveling in front of the world seeking sympathy, like you see Putler doing. I guess it’s the difference between a real superpower and a wannabe.
     
    How can an informed person say this with a straight face?

    Trump is groveling. His actions speak louder than his words, or lack thereof. Everything that he could possibly do to Israel, other than going to war with the latter's foes, he has done.

    Putin neither supported the thrashing of the Iran deal nor endorsed Israeli territorial grab. Trump has been so submissive to Israeli interests that for many of his history-savvy supporters (or former supporters), "MIGA" is a more appropriate election slogan.

    Supporting allies, whether like Israel, Great Britain or even Ukraine is not groveling in front of anybody. The US has ts own important allies and foes around the world that should be treated appropriately. Trump is not standing in front of the world, Like Putin stumping for Russia, requesting that everyone should fall in line and rid themselves of Americophobia.

  57. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am aware of most of that. I would still submit that the UK has most of that, and more in other departments. And there are nuances, e.g. yes, anti-Semitism partially criminalized under general hate speech laws (although they were recently decriminalized - HAIL PUTLER), but in practice most prosecutions were for insulting Caucasians. COG > ZOG in Russia. Sure, Jews prevalent amongst oligarchs - but that was the case from the start. Putin doesn't want to make enemies of the Jews (all Jews at any rate) and makes nice with the Chabad faction. Sure, Putin makes concessions for Israel, but Israel makes concessions for Russia too. Didn't impose sanctions on Russia like most of the West over Crimea, often takes neutral stance in the UN on our various disputes (US & Co. vote against us), has visa free regime with Russia, etc. So that's more reciprocity than concessions. Finally, many Russians have some Jewish ancestry (even I do) especially in SPB/Moscow... and Putin's daughter divorced Shalimov. The other one didn't marry a Jew. Reading too much into this IMO.

    many Russians have some Jewish ancestry (even I do)

    Say it ain’t so, Joe!

  58. @another anon
    Thank you, Mr. Brabantian, you never disappoint us. ;-)

    BTW, what you think about the New Chronology theory?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)

    Brilliant Russian scientists applied cutting edge methods of historical revisionism to ancient and medieval history, and found, unsurprisingly, it is as big hoax as modern history.
    Ancient "Egypt", "Greece", "Rome" etc. are as completely fake as "holocaust", "moon landing", "9/11", "nuclear weapons" and other thinks we are supposed to believe in.

    Wake up, sheeple!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtUXj522JBY

    The New Chronology and proponents of similar theories, most of whom are Russian, seem to rather conveniently always put Russia at the centre of the “real history”.

    Their take on British history is not very positive, they usually argue that British history is just a copy of ancient Russian history and that Britain doesn’t really have any ancient history, it’s all Russian history or something like that. The New Choronology and similar is certainly an interesting insight into the Russian mentality.

    • Replies: @another anon
    Nothing specifically "Russian" about it. It is, as I said, application of revisionist methods on all history.
    It is widely promoted, and there are many fans of Fomenko's analysis worldwide.
    See the numerous youtube videos, and if you are old fashioned, complete works of Fomenko are translated into English.

    If you are the type of person who downloaded and read all 42 Holocaust Handbooks from CODOH

    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&sort=voa&s=0&st=39#entries

    you can progress further and download complete works of Fomenko &co. in 22 parts from here.

    https://www.jaks.sk/sk/odhalenie/Historia-fikcia-alebo-veda_4718

    See for yourself.
  59. @Dmitry
    You can research yourself about Putin - you should be able to synthesize information:

    1. Criminalization of antisemitism - I haven't counted exactly, but my impression of skimming list of extremist material, is the mode component of the criminalized material relates to antisemitism. (the result of almost reversed attitude or "leniency" to this material, which had been all in the 1990s). Before Putin, antisemitic material was quite common and easily distributed.

    2. Judaism is promoted positively on television, as if it is 5-10%, rather than its reality of 0,1% of the population. You have a class on Judaism as part of the school curriculum. But since 2012, they created an official school "fundamentals of Jewish culture" course that schools (probably Jewish schools) can choose to teach to fulfill the component.

    3. Jewish schools, community centres, cultural events - established with government support. All kinds of "Hannukah in the Kremlin". (Again it like a reversal of a pre-Putin situation and attitude to Jews). Schools with Israeli directed syllabus opened in Russia since 2009.

    Of course, this is just symbolic, and not important because of a collapse of Jewish demographics - but the intention and attitude has a reversal after Putin.

    4. Putin's childhood milieu, and friends promoted, and who became wealthy, include disproportionate numbers Jews. This is more like explanation of his attitude.

    5. Putin had married a woman with Jewish roots; one of his daughter marries probably some kind of Mountain Jew.

    6. Putin has open and regular expression of his feelings of Jews.

    7. Putin has some kind of warm attitude to Israel, probably explained as sentimental symptom of above. There are regular concessions for Israel, while not for other Western countries. Israel is married to America, so this is a pointless area.

    I don't think Trump is joking - Putin thinks he will be helping Israel.
    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1019029758938701827


    icy is not exactly much in sync with Jewish interests (rescued Assad; neutrality in Palestine debate

     

    Until 1999, the foreign policy was pro-Palestine. Putin has shifted to this "neutral", and adds a lot of concessions to Israel.

    Another thing which I've seen in my lifetime. Television became pro-Israel, so it is now more sympathetic to Israel than television you can see in Western European countries. (For example, television in the UK has the much more negative attitude about Israel).


    British Conservative politicians/mainstream are easily far more pro-Jewish than Putin, so is Orban, so was Salvini, etc.

     

    I can't see how being "more pro-Jewish", of British or Salvini. Putin has hit all "pro-Jewish" targets that are within the scope of his job. So he has pushed as far as he can in that area,

    He can't save the Jewish birthrate (Jews are probably the lowest fertility rate nationality in Russia), or attract any Jewish people to repatriate. But neither will Salvini magically recreate a dying Jewish community in Italy.

    A lot of right wingers naively associate being pro-Israel with being right wing and patriotic. They look at Israel as this tough, masculine nation bravely fighting hordes of brown terrorists so it doesn’t surprise me that the Russian right is enthusiastic about Israel.

    It doesn’t help that most white anti-Israel types are leftists, environmentalists, etc, the sort of people that right wingers regard as weak.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    In Russia, it's a little the opposite of this dynamic. Remember there is the ideological divergence of the Cold War. In terms of political symbolism, Israel is more popular with liberals.

    Liberal views are also similar to "socially liberal Republicans", rather than Democrats. Yulia Latynina is a good sample - she is given by George Bush, the presidential medal of freedom, because she likes that he bombs Muslims.

    The popularity of Israel with liberals in Russia is more because Israel has a quite socially liberal atmosphere and because it is perceived as being strong against radical Islam (although the latter is a false perception - actually Israel is very weak to Islam).

    Putin was experimenting more with neo-liberal views in the 1990s, For example, he liked Pinochet. So his view about Israel turning the desert into an oasis, is consistent with his 1990s views.

  60. @Europe Europa
    The New Chronology and proponents of similar theories, most of whom are Russian, seem to rather conveniently always put Russia at the centre of the "real history".

    Their take on British history is not very positive, they usually argue that British history is just a copy of ancient Russian history and that Britain doesn't really have any ancient history, it's all Russian history or something like that. The New Choronology and similar is certainly an interesting insight into the Russian mentality.

    Nothing specifically “Russian” about it. It is, as I said, application of revisionist methods on all history.
    It is widely promoted, and there are many fans of Fomenko’s analysis worldwide.
    See the numerous youtube videos, and if you are old fashioned, complete works of Fomenko are translated into English.

    If you are the type of person who downloaded and read all 42 Holocaust Handbooks from CODOH

    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&sort=voa&s=0&st=39#entries

    you can progress further and download complete works of Fomenko &co. in 22 parts from here.

    https://www.jaks.sk/sk/odhalenie/Historia-fikcia-alebo-veda_4718

    See for yourself.

  61. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am aware of most of that. I would still submit that the UK has most of that, and more in other departments. And there are nuances, e.g. yes, anti-Semitism partially criminalized under general hate speech laws (although they were recently decriminalized - HAIL PUTLER), but in practice most prosecutions were for insulting Caucasians. COG > ZOG in Russia. Sure, Jews prevalent amongst oligarchs - but that was the case from the start. Putin doesn't want to make enemies of the Jews (all Jews at any rate) and makes nice with the Chabad faction. Sure, Putin makes concessions for Israel, but Israel makes concessions for Russia too. Didn't impose sanctions on Russia like most of the West over Crimea, often takes neutral stance in the UN on our various disputes (US & Co. vote against us), has visa free regime with Russia, etc. So that's more reciprocity than concessions. Finally, many Russians have some Jewish ancestry (even I do) especially in SPB/Moscow... and Putin's daughter divorced Shalimov. The other one didn't marry a Jew. Reading too much into this IMO.

    I would still submit that the UK has most of that, and more in other departments. And

    Historical context is the opposite.

    In the UK, I doubt there is a socially popular, politically popular, atmosphere of antisemitism until around 2000, that is suppressed after a change of a particular president/prime minister. A single man does not change or reverse a previous situation in the UK. And neither in the UK, is there a reversed policy to state or financial support for reviving a Jewish community, after many decades in the opposite direction.

    Influence of Putin cannot be underestimated in this area.

    Russia was a comparatively (compared to the West) less pleasant social atmosphere for Jews until Putin. Putin is the person who is most responsible for changing it to an opposite situation (although it could probably reverse after he leaves).

    Also Russia had a bad relationship with Israel before Putin. Putin reversed it to a good relationship.

    Notice the reversed attitude of Knesset/Jerusalem to the Kremlin, has also happened. It’s not just Netanyahu that loves Putin. Also Shimon Peres loved Putin, Ariel Sharon loved Putin. Ehud Barak (leftwing Prime Minister of Israel), loves Putin which seems like RT is embarrassed because their policy is to reduce support for Israel in English speaking countries.
    https://youtu.be/ex-lnetdjFs?t=1582.

    Finally, in the media. In the BBC, they appoint anti-Israel reporters. While in the first channel, they gave the topic to Sergey Pashkov for 15 years.

    (although they were recently decriminalized – HAIL PUTLER

    ?

    Putin doesn’t want to make enemies of the Jews (all Jews at any rate) and makes nice with the Chabad faction. Sure, Putin

    It’s true Chabad is promoted in Russia. Probably they conform to businessmen of a romantic (or the opposite) stereotype of how their Jewish ancestor should look.

    Lazar says in the video that Chabad’s Jewish university in Moscow is promoted by the government, which is unusual support because it otherwise stops a creation of small universities. But Chabad is unpopular in Israel, prevented from spreading too much, and they are Haredim which frighten normal people in Israel.

    Most of Jewish community support in Russia – and generally state support – is trying to revive of secular Jewish culture. If you look at a sample of the kind of program, it is mainly secular:
    https://jevents.ru/programmy-i-kursy/
    https://vk.com/menora_ural

    It’s about 90% secular material.

    many Russians have some Jewish ancestry (even I do) especially in SPB/Moscow… and Putin’s daughter divorced Shalimov. The other one didn’t marry a Jew

    My comments on this are simply some possible explanation for Putin’s philosemitic attitude.

    There are other explanations or stories which relate to his childhood (ignoring “translation”).
    .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HLRW1wlfNE.

  62. @Europe Europa
    A lot of right wingers naively associate being pro-Israel with being right wing and patriotic. They look at Israel as this tough, masculine nation bravely fighting hordes of brown terrorists so it doesn't surprise me that the Russian right is enthusiastic about Israel.

    It doesn't help that most white anti-Israel types are leftists, environmentalists, etc, the sort of people that right wingers regard as weak.

    In Russia, it’s a little the opposite of this dynamic. Remember there is the ideological divergence of the Cold War. In terms of political symbolism, Israel is more popular with liberals.

    Liberal views are also similar to “socially liberal Republicans”, rather than Democrats. Yulia Latynina is a good sample – she is given by George Bush, the presidential medal of freedom, because she likes that he bombs Muslims.

    The popularity of Israel with liberals in Russia is more because Israel has a quite socially liberal atmosphere and because it is perceived as being strong against radical Islam (although the latter is a false perception – actually Israel is very weak to Islam).

    Putin was experimenting more with neo-liberal views in the 1990s, For example, he liked Pinochet. So his view about Israel turning the desert into an oasis, is consistent with his 1990s views.

  63. @animalogic
    "Yes, the Soviet Union was instrumental in defeating “fascism”, but to what end? The Soviet Union was a much worse fate for those who felt the wrath of Stalin and his gangsters."
    "To what end?" The USSR didnt fight/defeat Germany for the sake of Eastern Europe. It did so, rightly, for itself.
    As to any comparison of 39'--45 and 45' -- 53'. You may be correct about the "worse fate", however I couldn't take it as an unassailable fact, but rather, as the starting point for some serious evidence & argument.

    The USSR didnt fight/defeat Germany for the sake of Eastern Europe. It did so, rightly, for itself.

    Just as Germany attacked the USSR to prevent the largest army ever assembled, from invading Germany and Europe.

    I have, since the start of the Zundel trials in 1985, read more “alternative” history about WWII, than most. My interest was piqued, not because of his alleged denial, rather my outrage that someone would be prosecuted for expressing an opinion that contained no suggestion of violence.
    My father and four uncles served in WWII. My father used to talk about “old Ben Freedman”, which meant nothing to me, until after both my parents had died and discovered a few short books on several topics, long out of print, that you weren’t going to find in libraries. I grew up with kids who had fathers serving in all of the forces, including ones who had been involved in bombing German cities, and a couple who had been Japanese POWs. Other than a couple of drunks, most would never talk about their experiences, but it was safe to say that when it came to the anti-German narrative, most didn’t buy into it, as the German immigrants that came in the 50s and 60s were usually welcomed into the neighbourhood and helped to adjust.
    There is plenty of information out there about the political machinations involved in herding Germany into WWII, Hitler’s peace proposals, and reality of NS Germany as opposed to the narrative. I concluded long ago that all wars are economic wars. Figure out the economic threat to (((globalists))) and their useful idiots, irrespective of alleged political affiliation, and you have sorted the reason for the war, whether or not there is actual shooting. I’m not suggesting that NS Germany was an ideal any more than Mussolini’s Italy, Franco’s Spain, or Salazar’s Portugal were, or for that matter, Stalin’s USSR. There are benefits and drawbacks in every political ideology put into practice, including finance capitalism. The questions are always the same: who, what, why and how, along with do the benefits outweigh the drawbacks short and long term?
    An off topic equivalent is someone like Trump. There is a lot not to like about him, but there are positives. The positives and the negatives should be weighed against each other and stand on their own merits, not buried in bullshit narratives.

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