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I mentioned this Ipsos poll on global attitudes to LGBT in a previous Open Thread, but it really deserves a separate post on account of its significance.

I think it demonstrates three things:

  1. LGBT rights (as in marriage and adoption) have become universalized beyond their Western core, with the Rest sliding into line soon after Red America gave up on opposing it about a decade ago.
  2. This is spearheaded by the younger generations.
  3. PR, or propaganda, works both ways. There has obviously been a huge and increasingly state-directed push for LGBT from the US. But countries that legally discouraged it have become “frozen” so far as attitudes are concerned.

Here’s the graph of countries that now support gay marriage.

Notably, there are solid majorities everywhere for it outside Russia and Malaysia in the polled countries. Turkey is 50/50. The V4, including PiS-ruled Poland, support it. So do China and India, the two most populous countries.

So one might say that this is literally “GloboHomo”, i.e. culturally hegemonic. That is, just as the “gay marriage” culture war was “lost” in America from around 2010, the same is true of the world as a whole c.2020. Again, see China and India.

Whereas Russia made the anti-LGBT campaign the central lynchpin of Putin’s “conservative turn” around the late 2000s, it did not play much of a role in more authoritarian China (except perhaps very recently). Its very telling that in the absence of state repression (via propaganda), it has “won” by default.

And for that matter even in Russia trends might have recently reversed (maybe, the linked poll has a low sample… need to wait for more polls).

This would also tend to support the “LGBT as fad” thesis.

Curiously, there’s no difference between gay marriage support and gay adoption support (at least with the exception of Russia and Poland).

***

Another curious observation is that levels of support for LGBT rights correlates with how gay you are on average. Not a clean correlation by any means, e.g. Malaysia is very high, and India is at the very top. Brazil doesn’t surprise me, I recall reading coming across older polls which showed that more of them identified as homosexual or bisexual than the 3% of Americans, before the zoomers broke the charts.

LOL at Russia being literally the straightest country in this sample. One is tempted to conclude that Milonov and Yarovaya were correct about everything.

On that note.

It’s quite stunning. Only 57% of American zoomers identify as totally heterosexual, versus 95% of boomers. There can only be one explanation for such a rapid change in historical time. Genetic explanations of homosexuality are not very convincing as it is (they impose extremely large reproductive costs), but even that aside, there is no way that this could have happened in a couple of generations. Cultural fad is the most succinct explanation.

The main thing that remains to be seen is how “deep” it is and to what extent it impacts on the TFR. The rapid decline in Anglo TFR over the past half decade might hint at the answer, though I suppose there are many factors involved.

And as we can see here this is a global phenomenon. Just 68% of zoomers globally are total heterosexuals versus 87% of boomers. The Americans were actually less gay than the global average at one point but the change has been more rapid.

***

So what could this be tied to? Well, in countries that are less gay and have less support for gay marriage/adoption, they also tend to be more against pro-LGBT signaling.

They know of fewer people who are gay. This is both a function of gay behavior being more taboo, but also, as per above, there also being fewer gays and more of a closet effect.

There’s also unsurprisingly much less support for things like corporate signaling with rainbow flags and the like.

More of them would prefer that they “stay in the closet” so far as their personal lives are concerned.

PS. This isn’t meant to be a gay-bashing post. I’m primarily interested in how things work and in any case the ~3% of the population that is gay by default has contributed to civilization above its population share (Turing, Tchaikovsky, etc.). But these more recent developments do seem quite significant and with so many zoomers and millennials starting to identify as non-hetero, might provide at least part of the explanation for the sharp falls in TFR observed across some countries in the past 5 years (in the Anglosphere in particular). In the long run, it might not be so relevant, as people more susceptible to such fads will have fewer children.

 

 
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  2. The amount of young people with an androgynous appearance has skyrocketed in the past 5~6 years, at least in the area where I live (large Latin American metropolis). I increasingly see kids dyeing their hair as well, tons of boys with blue/green or even pink hair walking around.

    Might be a hormonal thing, as the degree of fatness among adolescents has also risen to worrying levels. Their posture has also deteriorated very visibly since I graduated from High School in 2012. The Pandemic has sped up these trends, as the time spent sitting inside and on social media as well as watching porn has exploded.

    It’s also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it’s got to do with hormones.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @Wyatt
    @Ana Maria


    Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair.
     
    I'd put 2:1 odds on them just being straight victims of globohomo. We're at the point where everyone is endorsing the queers and it's much better to be white and gay rather than white and normal. People are stupid enough to mutilate themselves and depress themselves out of a future, but they're not stupid enough to ignore social trends. It's just like all the non-whites coming out of the woodworks to denounce being white on the new census. It's no longer valuable so they drop it.
    , @utu
    @Ana Maria

    "This corroborates the theory that it’s got to do with hormones" - No, the globohomo virus goes downmarket. The weakest and feebleminded are more likely to be infected.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ana Maria


    in the area where I live (large Latin American metropolis)
     
    Miami? Houston? Los Angeles?

    Chicago?
    , @showmethereal
    @Ana Maria

    Well that is why they should be called "homosexual" and not "gay". Many of them are not happy - which is what the English word "gay" meant.
    but yeah hormones in the environment has to be part of it.... many more people appear to have fertility issues also. Two of my great grandfathers had 12 children... Now almost all the young people in my family have fertility issues.

    Replies: @Escher

    , @Rahan
    @Ana Maria


    They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters.
     
    Same for tatts. Used to be you'd get metalheads and goths trying to be ultra phallic or ultra feminine, with tatts aspiring to be works of art. Now it's just waddling sacks of crap covered in rudimentary squiggles.
  3. @Ana Maria
    The amount of young people with an androgynous appearance has skyrocketed in the past 5~6 years, at least in the area where I live (large Latin American metropolis). I increasingly see kids dyeing their hair as well, tons of boys with blue/green or even pink hair walking around.

    Might be a hormonal thing, as the degree of fatness among adolescents has also risen to worrying levels. Their posture has also deteriorated very visibly since I graduated from High School in 2012. The Pandemic has sped up these trends, as the time spent sitting inside and on social media as well as watching porn has exploded.

    It's also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it's got to do with hormones.

    Replies: @Wyatt, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @showmethereal, @Rahan

    Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair.

    I’d put 2:1 odds on them just being straight victims of globohomo. We’re at the point where everyone is endorsing the queers and it’s much better to be white and gay rather than white and normal. People are stupid enough to mutilate themselves and depress themselves out of a future, but they’re not stupid enough to ignore social trends. It’s just like all the non-whites coming out of the woodworks to denounce being white on the new census. It’s no longer valuable so they drop it.

  4. It’s quite stunning. Only 57% of American zoomers identify as totally heterosexual, versus 95% of boomers. There can only be one explanation for such a rapid change in historical time. Genetic explanations of homosexuality are not very convincing as it is (they impose extremely large reproductive costs), but even that aside, there is no way that this could have happened in a couple of generations. Cultural fad is the most succinct explanation.

    Most homos become become homos because they were fondled or otherwise had some sort of sexual experience first imposed on them by older homos, such has always been the case. Male sexual preferences are determined in large part but initial foundational experiences.

    Historically, when eunuchs and other varieties of pervert have captured the organs of state, its always led to extremely oppresive and arbitrary government. I’d even greatly prefer a woman run a country than a pervert.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @Yevardian


    Most homos become become homos because they were fondled or otherwise had some sort of sexual experience first imposed on them by older homos, such has always been the case. Male sexual preferences are determined in large part but initial foundational experiences.
     
    I've speculated about this before and it makes sense to me, but most people tend to disagree strongly with me, and to be sure I have little real-world experience in any of this.

    Historically, when eunuchs and other varieties of pervert have captured the organs of state, its always led to extremely oppresive and arbitrary government. I’d even greatly prefer a woman run a country than a pervert.
     
    I'm curious what specific examples you have in mind.
    , @Xi-jinping
    @Yevardian

    The theory that somehow early sexual abuse creates homos or causes 'trauma' seems rather strange to me...how can a child who doesn't understand the greater implications of what is happening be 'traumatized' by it, especially if its not a painful but rather is a pleasant event?

    Rather it seems it becomes a problem in retrospect, after social conditioning gets its hands on them or alternatively when they want to win pity points.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Kuru

  5. @Ana Maria
    The amount of young people with an androgynous appearance has skyrocketed in the past 5~6 years, at least in the area where I live (large Latin American metropolis). I increasingly see kids dyeing their hair as well, tons of boys with blue/green or even pink hair walking around.

    Might be a hormonal thing, as the degree of fatness among adolescents has also risen to worrying levels. Their posture has also deteriorated very visibly since I graduated from High School in 2012. The Pandemic has sped up these trends, as the time spent sitting inside and on social media as well as watching porn has exploded.

    It's also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it's got to do with hormones.

    Replies: @Wyatt, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @showmethereal, @Rahan

    “This corroborates the theory that it’s got to do with hormones” – No, the globohomo virus goes downmarket. The weakest and feebleminded are more likely to be infected.

  6. In UK law, one ground for annulling a marriage is that it was not consummated – you have not had sexual intercourse with the person you married.

    However, the rule doesn’t apply to same-sex couples! Lawyers couldn’t agree on what would count as ‘consummated’ in such cases. I am so – so very – glad that I missed out on their erudite ruminations.

  7. 57% o zoomers identify as totally hetero.. explanation for such a rapid change

    This kind of survey (which were originally designed as marketing research for companies) won’t likely indicate real data that show “rapid change”. It can be interesting in showing things like fashions and media exposure, as most people answer with what they believed to be the “socially correct response” – but it’s showing changes in what people believe the authorities want them to say, more than changing behaviours.

    The answer in the surveys is what people believe that the authorities or the community want them to write.

    Survey responses about Stalin in 1950 would look very different from surveys responses about Stalin in 1960, although it’s still asking about the same Stalin.

    Just because something can be presented with some numbers and graphs, doesn’t mean it will tell us very much directly.

    . Cultural fad

    Yes it’s a fashion. It’s one of the most visible fashions in the wealthy and elite areas in the West.

    It’s not that you see many sexual minority people in these areas, rather you saw the rainbow flags and the fashion symbols.

    The reason is mainly that the prosocial people want to virtue-signal about how tolerant and modern their attitudes are, and this is also good for business in those areas, and it’s also showing well for the authorities.

    Among comfortable and wealthy people of the younger generation in the West, I think there is also a sign of bottom up demand for any opportunities for virtue signalling.

    The politics of virtue-signalling is nowadays common to see in the corporate and office life. For example, in the corporation life, they could have memos among managers asking about how to make a better or more welcoming atmosphere for the LGBT and ethnic minority employees, even if nobody knew if there are any of them.

    With the “corporate responsibility” trend, is sometimes an unspoken sense that there is an attempt to justify an unfair privilege: “yes we were paid more money than we worked for (unlike real workers like nurses and mechanics), but we’re also trying to be nice people so shouldn’t we deserve our privilege?”

    68% of zoomers globally are total heterosexuals versus 87% of boomer

    It’s showing more some proportion of zoomers that answered the survey, believed that a different answer was the socially correct one than the boomers.

    When people answer the survey, they are trying to respond with what they believe to be a socially desired response. It won’t necessarily say much information about how they behave in their life.

    For example, one of the only sexual minority people I’ve known, is one of the few real womanizers. That is, he was appearing very heterosexual.

    He usually had a beautiful girlfriend, sometimes changing girls if you saw him a week later, and in some times he was boasting about how he is sleeping with three women at the same time.

    But if he is really drunk enough, it’s been seen by some, he will sometimes try to seduce another man.

    Perhaps in the West, he would “cash out” his preferences, and add on a note on diversity questionairre after a job interview – “I can give this company a diverse viewpoint within the industry as a member of the bisexual minority…”

    But with the current culture programming, you would only notice his unusual behaviour if you knew him well when he was very drunk. That is, to be a sexual minority, is not a visible part of his life, and if you know him you wouldn’t even associate it to him – he seems more heterosexual than the average.

    I was worried more that he has some psychopathic traits in his relations like losing jobs for irresponsibility. The fact that he tried to seduce men when he was drunk was almost not entering your mind, because it’s such a invisible of their life.

    However, perhaps if the culture programming was in San Francisco, then people in this category would have been visible representatives of a bisexual community.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Dmitry


    sexual minority
     
    Enough of this sociological jargon, 'Pervert' is much better and punchier word, it doesn't have any of the connotations of low-class fag-baiting or violence, and just neutrally describes exactly what they are.

    For example, one of the only sexual minority people I’ve known, is one of the few real womanizers. That is, he was appearing very heterosexual.
     
    I've met people like this too, usually whilst on holiday, otherwise I'm lucky enough not to have to brush circles with such people. Which brings me to respond to another, earlier, comment.

    It’s also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it’s got to do with hormones.
     
    Yes, well, of course, such people vary hugely, to paraphrase Anna Karenina, sexually normal people are all fairly similar, whilst every pervert is a pervert in his/her/xer/its own way.

    Its my impression that 'dominant' homos are usually the ones that go through life mostly undetected or closeted, seeming quite normal externally. Its only if you end up in a situation when you have to spend a lot of time around them or end up drinking with them that odd behaviour starts coming out.

    Actually, whilst I was on holiday a little while ago I had the misfortune to repeatedly end up in contact with such people, they were outwardly very macho (I don't even think they thought of themselves as homosexuals), not at all politically correct (there was a British guy laughing hysterically at a terrible alt-light Australian youtuber, 'Isaac Butterfield'), constantly repeating 'I'm not racist but {something obviously racist}' etc, another was some Union Official, and so on.

    Anyway, I'd rather not get into the stupid details, but I was 'hit on' by several people of this type whilst on holiday, I obviously wasn't homosexual, but that variety of pervert actually prefers to go after men like that, it's like some sort of 'conquest' for them.
    I remember years ago scoffing at Robert Lindsay's blog (Beyond Highbrow, long since banned) where he described how homosexuals wouldn't leave him alone whenever they got the chance, simply because (he claims) he used to be very handsome.. I thought it was just another example of that blogger's megalomania, but since experiencing it myself, I can say yes, the world indeed is full of faggot predators that go after other grown men, not just little boys.

    Incidentally, all of these people said they had terrible or non-existent relations with their fathers, or some sort of abusive stepfather figure in their childhood. I doubt that's a coincidence.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  8. @Ana Maria
    The amount of young people with an androgynous appearance has skyrocketed in the past 5~6 years, at least in the area where I live (large Latin American metropolis). I increasingly see kids dyeing their hair as well, tons of boys with blue/green or even pink hair walking around.

    Might be a hormonal thing, as the degree of fatness among adolescents has also risen to worrying levels. Their posture has also deteriorated very visibly since I graduated from High School in 2012. The Pandemic has sped up these trends, as the time spent sitting inside and on social media as well as watching porn has exploded.

    It's also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it's got to do with hormones.

    Replies: @Wyatt, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @showmethereal, @Rahan

    in the area where I live (large Latin American metropolis)

    Miami? Houston? Los Angeles?

    Chicago?

    • LOL: songbird
  9. India is weird since Muslims note a Hindu aversion to gay stuff v their famous escapades.
    Big place so what do I know? :shrug:

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @sher singh

    Has Karlin concluded that since everyone/thing is gay no pt to Great Bi-Furcation?
    IOW, nigga are you lit studying gay people instead of hitting a now 1 yr late deadline??

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    , @Yevardian
    @sher singh

    I thought India was famously accomodating of all sorts of weirdos in that regard. I suppose you must be referencing the traditional pederasty amongst the Pashtuns, or that Persian (which used to be a prestige-language in India, I have no idea if cultured people in Pakistan or, say, Hyberadad still read it) poetry is full of homosexual references.

    My position is that a civilised society should at least tolerate them and protect them from random violence (you never know how justified these incidents actually are though, particularly now), on condition they keep it to themselves and are forbidden from any occupation or position that puts them regularly around children.


    Moreover, on India there are very contradictory polls, that are contrary to your poll.
     
    Well, vast sections of India are still competing with Africa (and Afghanistan, although at least that place has the excuse of 40 years of nonstop-warfare) for being the most backward and inpoverished places in the world, so I wouldn't take much from polls there.
    All I'm relatively sure about is those ignorant masses (outside the Dravidian/Muslim ones) constitute Modi's base.
  10. @sher singh
    India is weird since Muslims note a Hindu aversion to gay stuff v their famous escapades.
    Big place so what do I know? :shrug:

    Replies: @sher singh, @Yevardian

    Has Karlin concluded that since everyone/thing is gay no pt to Great Bi-Furcation?
    IOW, nigga are you lit studying gay people instead of hitting a now 1 yr late deadline??

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  11. Cultural fad is the most succinct explanation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_until_graduation

    I’m surprised the page hasn’t been taken down yet.

    This fake faggotry is how you know people have too much time to burn. It’s a shame the financial order won’t allow a meaningful war to man up the population.

  12. Notably, there are solid majorities everywhere for it outside Russia and Malaysia in the polled countries.

    Malaysia is right next door to “ladyboy” Thailand. That must affect their views.

    Only 57% of American zoomers identify as totally heterosexual, versus 95% of boomers.

    An awful lot of younger commenters here feel a need to trash the latter cohort. Perhaps this has something to do with it.

    Not to defend them, however. Some of us refuse to recognize these bogus demographic categories at all.

    so many zoomers and millennials starting to identify as non-hetero

    Is there anything more flamboyant and narcissistic than the term “millennial”? Like we’ve been waiting a thousand years just for you!

    Genetic explanations of homosexuality are not very convincing as it is (they impose extremely large reproductive costs)

    On the contrary, in most societies nearly every adult is expected to marry and have family. In such places, the same-sex-attracted will do their duty by having more children than average. Because nothing gets you out of that annoying sex act like frequent pregnancies.

    Lower figures in the Catholic and Buddhist lands come about because there is the face-saving out of going into monasteries and convents. No sex, no children. This would apply whether the genetic component of the phenomenon is 5% or 95%.

    Curiously, there’s no difference between gay marriage support and gay adoption support (at least with the exception of Russia and Poland).

    Why would there be? Both views reject the very purpose of marriage– tying children to their natural parents.

  13. Anatoly says:

    In the long run, it might not be so relevant, as people more susceptible to such fads will have fewer children.

    Your reasoning here implies that there’s a biological factor, that is, in the future the remaining heterossexuals will outbreed today’s non-hetero zoomers (43%). But the grandparents of these freaks were not gays, and their parents mostly aren’t too, I’m sure.

    In other words, there was no biological shift that can explain this trend; it occurs by conversion, that is, by exposure. The shift is cultural, arising from the newspapers (constant info bombardment) as the study you posted in the previous OT thread about the leading press outlets strange huge adoption of woke terms in the past few years can attest, as well as the entertainment industry pushing these trends – both institutions heavily Jewish. And we have the Jewish legal pressure groups, too.

    The outcome is that these behaviors have simply trickled down to their passive consumers. One acquires language proficiency not by inventing it, but by being passive, that is, by mimicking what one hears. This is no different in respect to other informations that one passively receives on a constant basis.

    The change has been top-down, just like the Immigraction Act of 1965, which led the US white demographics to crash from its almost 90% peak, to white newborns being a minority a decade ago, according to the US census (2011). A first since the US gained independence.

    Latin America, Europe and many Asian countries are huge consumers of American entertainment, this is the reality.

    It’s of relevance that the press adopts “woke” terms assigning culpability of being a hater or bigot, like homophobic or white supremacist, which is otherwise rare for them to do. One of the possible countermeasures for independent countries is to adopt a law allowing people who are accused of these terms to sue for libel, explaining to the court that the reasons for their statements are not due to hate or bigotry or unreasonable fear, but due to educated understandings such as that homosexuality impacts demographics which is bad for aging societies, being therefore counter-evolutionary and maladaptive (cite e.g. American polls showing an explosion of the non-hetero population and studies linking this demographics to extremely low fertility rate), or that transgenders are overwhelmingly supportive of minors transitioning with the help of hormones, which for you amounts to children abuse because the ‘therapy’ is basically hormonal castration that will cost them puberty with grave, irreversible consequences.

    If Russia were to adopt such law, the few outlets (mostly foreign in origin, or local versions of American and British outlets, e.g. Forbes and Vogue; native Russian press by large are critical or don’t touch the subject) using these terms would be liable to libel lawsuits for assigning wrong motives to individuals or abstractically. The plaintiff could then explain the motives (not hate or unreasonable fear) and this would make the press look hostile and evil by being supportive of maladaptive behavior, children abuse, and other Judeo-Bolshevik ideologies. Indeed, such law would be a judo move, reversing the role of the accuser and the accused: the one who sued is not a hater and has reasonable objections, this is what he believes, sounds reasoanble, do you support this, Mr. Press?

    Case #1

    Judge: so Mr. CNN, the plaintiff says he does not hate trannies, and his fear is not unreasonable. The plaintiff opinion is that the hormonal castration of minors is evil and inhuman. Do you support the hormonal castration of minors and the irreversible consequences it entails? The plaintiff also cites scientific papers on the strength difference between the sexes, and finds it is ethically wrong for biological males to compete against biological females in sports that require strength and physical endurance. This is not unreasonable, and not hatred. I find you guilty of libel!

    Let us remind that Jews also have installed their censors on social media, the ADL and SPLC made a big fuss about this. They have been freely libeling Americans for decades, and the trend is only growing. If before you were a simple racist or neo-Nazi, today they libel you a dozen or so terms.

    Case #2

    Judge: so Mr. ADL, the plaintiff says he does not believe in white supremacy, namely, he does not believe that the white race must lord over other races or keep them in bondange in acts of racial supremacy, and that you are libeling him. Plaintiff says he’s opposed to demographic replacement and democide. Why are you baselessly accusing an opponent of demographic replacement of wanting to lord over other races or keep them in bondage? I find you guilty of libel!

    Dialectics is powerful. As far as race is concerned, the left will not say the white race must be democided and vanish, they will say that opposing the policies that will lead to this outcome is a sign of moral failing (hatred, envy, w/e). In other words, “you must not die, you just shouldn’t survive”. This is their MO.

  14. In the long run, it might not be so relevant, as people more susceptible to such fads will have fewer children.

    On the other hand, people more susceptible to such fads might also be the ones more likely to work for the common good. They were probably more Christian when Christianity was the ruling ideology, and so on, but now that the ruling ideology is suicidal, they might be less likely to reproduce. So society might lose those who, under a saner ideology, might be its most useful members.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Dreadilk
    @reiner Tor

    Not a big loss. We need team players and not retards.

    , @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @reiner Tor

    I don't think the extremely fad obsessed were ever the drivers of society. The crowds pacified by the spectacles of the colloseum weren't the garrisons that maintained the empire.

  15. Who are the ones who got more homosexual? Males or females? It’s so frustrating that the age groups are not broken down by sex.

    • Replies: @AP
    @reiner Tor

    The new “LGBT” are usually “bisexuals” or “gender fluid” people who happen to only indulge in sex with members of their own biological sex. That is, the number of people actually engaging in homosexual acts hasn’t changed much but because LGBT is cool and fashionable and heterosexuality is boring, people have labelled themselves differently.

    There is now something called”demisexuality” as part of the rainbow - people (mostly girls attracted to boys) who are only sexually attracted to those they have an emotional connection to.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-demisexual-demisexuality

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    , @AP
    @reiner Tor

    So whereas in the past a teenage Western boy might scandalise the parents by being a greaser, hippie, punk, or Eminem-listening wigger, nowadays he might wear makeup, speak like a girl, and be “non binary”- while still having sex with girls who will be attracted to him because they don’t like guys who are “obnoxiously heterosexual.”

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @Old Brown Fool
    @reiner Tor

    A lot of sexual orientation is received; if the society ignores or even positively encourages homosexuality, it will be widely practiced. Only very few, a few percentage points, are thoroughly homosexuals; the rest are comfortable with either sex. And I wonder if there is a positive correlation between male homosexuality and age, because availability is also big factor, and old people may find it easier to get a young homosexual than a young partner of opposite sex.

    Replies: @Dissident

  16. On top of all the other disastrous things going on (declining white percentage, BLM, etc) there’s no way in hell there’s gonna be a United States in its present governmental form by 2040.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @40 Lashes Less One

    There’s a reason they call it Agenda 2030.

  17. @reiner Tor
    Who are the ones who got more homosexual? Males or females? It’s so frustrating that the age groups are not broken down by sex.

    Replies: @AP, @AP, @Old Brown Fool

    The new “LGBT” are usually “bisexuals” or “gender fluid” people who happen to only indulge in sex with members of their own biological sex. That is, the number of people actually engaging in homosexual acts hasn’t changed much but because LGBT is cool and fashionable and heterosexuality is boring, people have labelled themselves differently.

    There is now something called”demisexuality” as part of the rainbow – people (mostly girls attracted to boys) who are only sexually attracted to those they have an emotional connection to.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-demisexual-demisexuality

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Once upon a time, was it really all that long ago (?), these issues weren't as complicated as today:

    https://youtu.be/pq5vG4jmlKo

    Or, were they? :-)

    , @Dmitry
    @AP

    Those eccentric features of Generation Z were already satirized almost 10 years ago in "21 Jump Street" (2012).*

    I think though, in Europe these trends might have arrived later than in America. I came to Europe in 2015, an I thought I had noticed the LGBT symbolism to flood everywhere in a very elite area around 2017-2018. LGBT flags really flooded with the youth around probably autumn of 2017, if I recall, but it seemed to become more and more ubiquitous into 2019. At first it was just girls with LGBT badges on their bag. By 2019, large rainbow flags on their houses.



    -
    * Even two strapping the bag

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSa368X1Z2w

  18. @40 Lashes Less One
    On top of all the other disastrous things going on (declining white percentage, BLM, etc) there's no way in hell there's gonna be a United States in its present governmental form by 2040.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    There’s a reason they call it Agenda 2030.

  19. @reiner Tor
    Who are the ones who got more homosexual? Males or females? It’s so frustrating that the age groups are not broken down by sex.

    Replies: @AP, @AP, @Old Brown Fool

    So whereas in the past a teenage Western boy might scandalise the parents by being a greaser, hippie, punk, or Eminem-listening wigger, nowadays he might wear makeup, speak like a girl, and be “non binary”- while still having sex with girls who will be attracted to him because they don’t like guys who are “obnoxiously heterosexual.”

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @AP

    Scary... But it sounds very accurate.

  20. Ironically, white countries seem to be less gay than black ones or India. Only 55% of Indians say they are fully heterosexual? This country doesn’t even have that type of cultural pressure promoting LGBT degneration.

    Homosexuality is quite endemic to blacks though. African countries are full of homosexual molestation and perversions and its immortalized by Tariq Nasheed’s latest homoerotic propaganda/documentary, Buck Breaking.

    In any case, I don’t think homosexuality is a good bellweather for the culture war. Most people go their whole lives without ever meeting one. Since they were heavily stigmatized for most of history, most people have no idea what gays are actually like.

    The average normie in Poland or India probably think they are just like normal people but instead of putting the peepee in the jayjay, they put the peepee in the poopoo.

    If most people knew about the actual gay lifestyle, 1000 sex partners per person, bug chasing, GRIDS and half of them being pedophiles, those numbers would be way down.

    Support for abortion, refugees or transgenderism is a much better bellweather for the culture war.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Caspar von Everec

    Everything about Tariq Nasheed, from his work, to his affect, to what he likes, screams that he is gay.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Kuru
    @Caspar von Everec


    Only 55% of Indians say they are fully heterosexual? This country doesn’t even have that type of cultural pressure promoting LGBT degneration.
     
    Probably lost in translation, like that World Values Survey a few years back claiming ~40% of Indians don't want a neighbour of a different race.
  21. Only a God can save us – Martin Heideggar

    Without God, there can be no moral society. I used to be a cringe atheist but i’ve regained my belief in the almighty after realizing this fact.

    Without God, you can’t justify an objective morality. Why do X, Y or Z, if there is no supreme authority and you are just a random configuration of atoms in 4D space?

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.

    Your life has no meaning and neither does your death. It just means a re-arrangement of molecules. The lack of God and a divine origin leads to relativisim. And relativism leads to an amoral society.

    A pack of sodomites pretending to be married and having sex with 14 year olds is considered no worse than a loving, loyal heterosexual couple with 3 kids.

    Its not a coincidence that all the great left wing revolutions in the past were based in a rejection of God. The French revolution, the bolshevik revolution, Maoist China…

    A key mistake a lot of normies make when talking about communism and liberalism is that they think that atheism is just a salient feature of these ideologies. They just happen to be atheist. In practice, the rejection of God lies at the very center of their beliefs. For only in a Godless society with no objective sense of reality and morality can their twisted ideology thrive.

    That’s how you get the reign of terror, the gulags and the great leap forward. That’s how you get drag queen story hour and castration of little children in the name of trangenderism.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Caspar von Everec

    Over the years I’ve come to see almost all religious doctrine as absurd and arbitrary — and almost all “important religious debates” as unnecessary distractions from actual important problems.

    But I’m more sure than ever that there is an eternal omnipotent God and an objective natural physical and moral law. And your description of what happens as theism wanes and moral relativism, pure selfishness, and hedonism spreads is right on.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Caspar von Everec


    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.
     
    Don't you have a heart?
    , @Svevlad
    @Caspar von Everec

    Only if you're a westerner and need to justify anything in the first place.

    Work on a far simpler, more basal level instead. No justifications, no philosophical idiocy, just brute force and power, precision and accuracy.

    My justification for an "objective morality" - "because I say so."

    It works best, really. It immediately annihilates all discussion (based), makes your enemies reveal themselves in rage (even more useful) and signals to the cattle that you're the boss and actually have the will to power.

    , @showmethereal
    @Caspar von Everec

    While overall you are correct - you might find it ironic that the communist party of China looks at homosexuality as a mental illness and bans it from media.

    , @utu
    @Caspar von Everec


    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue.
     
    The point at which materialism falls apart is consciousness and free will. The key to realizing the limits of scientific world view are consciousness and free will. Science is attempting to explain them away as epiphenomena because ideologically the atheistic science can’t allow for their existence because their real existence is outside of science while within the science they are mere epiphenomena.

    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science and the science of reductionism pushed by shortsighted simpletons is trying to explain away consciousness and free will which really is cutting the branch on which it sits.

    All materialists can’t handle consciousness; it is the greatest challenge to their world view. So they must kill it, render it irrelevant, just an illusion, an epiphenomenon that plays no role what so ever in the objective reality. And they say it with a straight face knowing perfectly well that the “I” that is speaking and the “I” that is identifying with what is spoken is the same consciousness that they casted aside as an illusion. So who is really speaking? An automaton that knows the truth? They hear voices in their heads like schizophrenics and listen to them and follow them while at the same time saying the voices are just an epiphenomenon. So why do they listen to the voices – because they have no choice, they have no free will. Materialists are like little children who when caught with a hand in the cookie jar can say with a straight face that the hand is not their hand. It is amazing that they are engaged in building a huge superstructure just to escape the little contradiction they dare not to explore. When I think about it in Christian metaphors it is like a diabolic possession of people who fear God so much that they will do anythin to deny not just his existence but a mere possibility of it.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Levtraro

    , @Levtraro
    @Caspar von Everec


    Without God, there can be no moral society.
     
    Evolution has made us moral primates because it has selected for cooperation in our groups.

    Here is a godless definition of morality for you: anything that increases cooperation, is moral.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  22. The Americans were actually less gay than the global average at one point

    This isn’t the global average, these are 27 countries surveyed. Notably there are 11 western countries and two muslim countries, as well as one african country, which is distorting the average.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  23. @Dmitry

    57% o zoomers identify as totally hetero.. explanation for such a rapid change
     
    This kind of survey (which were originally designed as marketing research for companies) won't likely indicate real data that show "rapid change". It can be interesting in showing things like fashions and media exposure, as most people answer with what they believed to be the "socially correct response" - but it's showing changes in what people believe the authorities want them to say, more than changing behaviours.

    The answer in the surveys is what people believe that the authorities or the community want them to write.

    Survey responses about Stalin in 1950 would look very different from surveys responses about Stalin in 1960, although it's still asking about the same Stalin.

    Just because something can be presented with some numbers and graphs, doesn't mean it will tell us very much directly.


    . Cultural fad

     

    Yes it's a fashion. It's one of the most visible fashions in the wealthy and elite areas in the West.

    It's not that you see many sexual minority people in these areas, rather you saw the rainbow flags and the fashion symbols.

    The reason is mainly that the prosocial people want to virtue-signal about how tolerant and modern their attitudes are, and this is also good for business in those areas, and it's also showing well for the authorities.

    Among comfortable and wealthy people of the younger generation in the West, I think there is also a sign of bottom up demand for any opportunities for virtue signalling.

    The politics of virtue-signalling is nowadays common to see in the corporate and office life. For example, in the corporation life, they could have memos among managers asking about how to make a better or more welcoming atmosphere for the LGBT and ethnic minority employees, even if nobody knew if there are any of them.

    With the "corporate responsibility" trend, is sometimes an unspoken sense that there is an attempt to justify an unfair privilege: "yes we were paid more money than we worked for (unlike real workers like nurses and mechanics), but we're also trying to be nice people so shouldn't we deserve our privilege?"


    68% of zoomers globally are total heterosexuals versus 87% of boomer
     
    It's showing more some proportion of zoomers that answered the survey, believed that a different answer was the socially correct one than the boomers.

    When people answer the survey, they are trying to respond with what they believe to be a socially desired response. It won't necessarily say much information about how they behave in their life.

    For example, one of the only sexual minority people I've known, is one of the few real womanizers. That is, he was appearing very heterosexual.

    He usually had a beautiful girlfriend, sometimes changing girls if you saw him a week later, and in some times he was boasting about how he is sleeping with three women at the same time.

    But if he is really drunk enough, it's been seen by some, he will sometimes try to seduce another man.

    Perhaps in the West, he would "cash out" his preferences, and add on a note on diversity questionairre after a job interview - "I can give this company a diverse viewpoint within the industry as a member of the bisexual minority..."

    But with the current culture programming, you would only notice his unusual behaviour if you knew him well when he was very drunk. That is, to be a sexual minority, is not a visible part of his life, and if you know him you wouldn't even associate it to him - he seems more heterosexual than the average.

    I was worried more that he has some psychopathic traits in his relations like losing jobs for irresponsibility. The fact that he tried to seduce men when he was drunk was almost not entering your mind, because it's such a invisible of their life.

    However, perhaps if the culture programming was in San Francisco, then people in this category would have been visible representatives of a bisexual community.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    sexual minority

    Enough of this sociological jargon, ‘Pervert’ is much better and punchier word, it doesn’t have any of the connotations of low-class fag-baiting or violence, and just neutrally describes exactly what they are.

    For example, one of the only sexual minority people I’ve known, is one of the few real womanizers. That is, he was appearing very heterosexual.

    I’ve met people like this too, usually whilst on holiday, otherwise I’m lucky enough not to have to brush circles with such people. Which brings me to respond to another, earlier, comment.

    It’s also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it’s got to do with hormones.

    Yes, well, of course, such people vary hugely, to paraphrase Anna Karenina, sexually normal people are all fairly similar, whilst every pervert is a pervert in his/her/xer/its own way.

    Its my impression that ‘dominant’ homos are usually the ones that go through life mostly undetected or closeted, seeming quite normal externally. Its only if you end up in a situation when you have to spend a lot of time around them or end up drinking with them that odd behaviour starts coming out.

    Actually, whilst I was on holiday a little while ago I had the misfortune to repeatedly end up in contact with such people, they were outwardly very macho (I don’t even think they thought of themselves as homosexuals), not at all politically correct (there was a British guy laughing hysterically at a terrible alt-light Australian youtuber, ‘Isaac Butterfield’), constantly repeating ‘I’m not racist but {something obviously racist}’ etc, another was some Union Official, and so on.

    Anyway, I’d rather not get into the stupid details, but I was ‘hit on’ by several people of this type whilst on holiday, I obviously wasn’t homosexual, but that variety of pervert actually prefers to go after men like that, it’s like some sort of ‘conquest’ for them.
    I remember years ago scoffing at Robert Lindsay’s blog (Beyond Highbrow, long since banned) where he described how homosexuals wouldn’t leave him alone whenever they got the chance, simply because (he claims) he used to be very handsome.. I thought it was just another example of that blogger’s megalomania, but since experiencing it myself, I can say yes, the world indeed is full of faggot predators that go after other grown men, not just little boys.

    Incidentally, all of these people said they had terrible or non-existent relations with their fathers, or some sort of abusive stepfather figure in their childhood. I doubt that’s a coincidence.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Yevardian


    Anyway, I’d rather not get into the stupid details, but I was ‘hit on’ by several people of this type whilst on holiday, I obviously wasn’t homosexual, but that variety of pervert actually prefers to go after men like that, it’s like some sort of ‘conquest’ for them.
    I remember years ago scoffing at Robert Lindsay’s blog (Beyond Highbrow, long since banned) where he described how homosexuals wouldn’t leave him alone whenever they got the chance, simply because (he claims) he used to be very handsome.. I thought it was just another example of that blogger’s megalomania, but since experiencing it myself, I can say yes, the world indeed is full of faggot predators that go after other grown men, not just little boys.
     
    Cool story bro', but also those "faggot predators", whose behaviour you say you found distressing, but also seem ashamedly complimented by, sound like they're just acting like men.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  24. Poland is falling apart as a society and their demographics are in tailspin. I suppose liberalism succeded, where communism failed. “Holy Poland” is gone.

    • Replies: @Froooo
    @Felix Keverich

    Good. Poland deserves it's fate.

    , @AlexanderGrozny
    @Felix Keverich

    I don't know what gives you that impression, look at the GDP per capita and standard of living over the last 3 decades.

    Polish people have never had it so good. This is a golden age for Poland economically speaking, and liberalism is hardly succeeding there given the current government's conservatism.

  25. The average normie in Poland or India probably think they are just like normal people but instead of putting the peepee in the jayjay, they put the peepee in the poopoo.

    If most people knew about the actual gay lifestyle, 1000 sex partners per person, bug chasing, GRIDS and half of them being pedophiles, those numbers would be way down.

    The portrayal of gays on the screen and press is very positive, they are either funny extroverts or the poorly understood victims of people with bad intentions, which causes sympathy among the passive viewers and readers.

    I think you are spot on. My mother says “what can you do if they like the same sex?”, even though she’s religious. She will agree with me after I point out examples, like you did, of why normalizing them, as opposed to just tolerating, is wrong. I think many people who are not political, who accept gays, are like my mother: they don’t care what gays do behind doors, but are completely ignorant of the consequences of normalizing and elevating them. Of course they will eventually come to children, bring their ideology to schools, outlaw freedom of speech, censor religion, impact demographic growth negatively, and become part of a coalition of maladaptive freaks who have their own bad designs for society.

    • Replies: @Caspar von Everec
    @Denver

    Yeah. Their evil and filth never stays within the bedroom. They always try to brainwash and groom others. That's how homosexuals reproduce to a large extent. They molest kids at a young age and those kids later orbit into the gay lifestyle to cope with their molestation.

    Some 48% of all gays admit to childhood molestation. That's probably an undercount as many would try to hide such a fact. Historical societies suppressed them not because they were ignorant of gays but because they were knowledgable of their act.

    , @Firefinga
    @Denver

    Absolutley. The progay-propagandists are very clever in that regard. They will show well adjusted (white) kids as "trans-kids", two doctor/lawyer-lesbians wanting to get married "like everybody else" and have successfully made a taboo of linking Homosexuals to staggering rates of STD-infections. Also, whenever HIV is being dicussed these days, they say "it's no death penalty any more" - which technically is correct, but it is a burden for health insurance. In Germany for instance, "universal health care" pays for HIV therapy - 1 300 000 000 EUROs per year.

    , @thou/thee/thine pronouns
    @Denver


    The portrayal of gays on the screen and press is very positive, they are either funny extroverts or the poorly understood victims of people with bad intentions, which causes sympathy among the passive viewers and readers.
     
    I wish that the people on this site would be against the entertainment side of the media as much as they boast against the Jews. I just read the comments on Jared Taylor's article, where people said, where is the JQ, give us the JQ. I wonder how many of these very commentators are sitting with their families watching gay garbage on CW and ABC in the evening.
  26. Moreover, on India there are very contradictory polls, that are contrary to your poll.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/web-exclusive/story/20190204-motn-same-sex-marriage-lgbt-rights-section-377-india-1439545-2019-01-25

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/

    Personally i’m sceptical about your India claims.

    I would caution against using a single poll.

    • Replies: @Yoyu
    @Passer by

    Exactly.

    This isn't even a poll but an internet survey with little control for representativeness. World Values Survey is a better source and as you say, they show radically different results.

  27. @sher singh
    India is weird since Muslims note a Hindu aversion to gay stuff v their famous escapades.
    Big place so what do I know? :shrug:

    Replies: @sher singh, @Yevardian

    I thought India was famously accomodating of all sorts of weirdos in that regard. I suppose you must be referencing the traditional pederasty amongst the Pashtuns, or that Persian (which used to be a prestige-language in India, I have no idea if cultured people in Pakistan or, say, Hyberadad still read it) poetry is full of homosexual references.

    My position is that a civilised society should at least tolerate them and protect them from random violence (you never know how justified these incidents actually are though, particularly now), on condition they keep it to themselves and are forbidden from any occupation or position that puts them regularly around children.

    Moreover, on India there are very contradictory polls, that are contrary to your poll.

    Well, vast sections of India are still competing with Africa (and Afghanistan, although at least that place has the excuse of 40 years of nonstop-warfare) for being the most backward and inpoverished places in the world, so I wouldn’t take much from polls there.
    All I’m relatively sure about is those ignorant masses (outside the Dravidian/Muslim ones) constitute Modi’s base.

  28. @Denver

    The average normie in Poland or India probably think they are just like normal people but instead of putting the peepee in the jayjay, they put the peepee in the poopoo.

    If most people knew about the actual gay lifestyle, 1000 sex partners per person, bug chasing, GRIDS and half of them being pedophiles, those numbers would be way down.
     

    The portrayal of gays on the screen and press is very positive, they are either funny extroverts or the poorly understood victims of people with bad intentions, which causes sympathy among the passive viewers and readers.

    I think you are spot on. My mother says "what can you do if they like the same sex?", even though she's religious. She will agree with me after I point out examples, like you did, of why normalizing them, as opposed to just tolerating, is wrong. I think many people who are not political, who accept gays, are like my mother: they don't care what gays do behind doors, but are completely ignorant of the consequences of normalizing and elevating them. Of course they will eventually come to children, bring their ideology to schools, outlaw freedom of speech, censor religion, impact demographic growth negatively, and become part of a coalition of maladaptive freaks who have their own bad designs for society.

    Replies: @Caspar von Everec, @Firefinga, @thou/thee/thine pronouns

    Yeah. Their evil and filth never stays within the bedroom. They always try to brainwash and groom others. That’s how homosexuals reproduce to a large extent. They molest kids at a young age and those kids later orbit into the gay lifestyle to cope with their molestation.

    Some 48% of all gays admit to childhood molestation. That’s probably an undercount as many would try to hide such a fact. Historical societies suppressed them not because they were ignorant of gays but because they were knowledgable of their act.

  29. Worth noting that US zoomers appear to be only 2% gay according to those stats, which is actually less gay than millennials somehow. It’s the crazy number of bisexuals and ‘omni / pansexuals’ which are driving the numbers up massively. 90% of these Bis, Omnis, and Pans etc. is just young women talking nonsense because it’s cool to appear non-straight.

  30. The flourishing of alphabet people may be a consequence of modernity (read industrialisation) more than it is a fad, i.e. the accumulation of deleterious mutations + social epistatic amplification + more free time, etc. Then there is the question of the degree to which Christianity and Islam created an immunity against it (an immunity less present in many parts of the Third World/former Third World perhaps?) But then there could be an endless debate over what constitutes real Christian faith, since all but the most traditional adherents in the West have now mostly bent the knee and compromised on many principles in order to please the LGBT crowd.

    I assume when you call it a “fad” that you mean it won’t last. The problem is that many phenomena develop rapidly and the “immune” response takes time to come. If much of the former Third World (like China) clamps down on LGBT and sexual deviance in general, are you still going to claim this proves it was a fad? It strikes me the defining feature of a fad is that people lose interest in it, not that there is a positive reaction against it. So maybe “fad” isn’t the right term.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @Percival


    The flourishing of alphabet people may be a consequence of modernity (read industrialisation) more than it is a fad, i.e. the accumulation of deleterious mutations + social epistatic amplification + more free time, etc.
     
    Yes, there are powerful biological forces at play.

    Like any other successful species, say sardines, earthworms, or bacteria in Petri dishes, the human population worldwide is growing logistically:

    https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/Probabilistic/POP/TOT/900

    In the 60s humans crossed the inflection point meaning that from that point onwards, the growth rate of the growth rate (the 2nd derivative of population size) will be negative. Humans are entering the decelaration phase. This boils down to compensation processes being predominant. Compensation processes are all those processes that slow down population growth.

    In the human species, being the way they are with mass communication, governments, technology and medicine, large cities, etc, one of those processes is the acceptance and even promotion of sexual deviance which translates into less births. In bacteria living in Petri dishes it could be intoxication with waste or lack of resources. In the case of humans is acceptance and promotion of sexual deviance among other things, most likely aided by deleterious mutations as you assert that become more common as population grows.

    Each species finds its own way to compensate and reduce population growth according to the mandates of natural processes. Liberal polities find it easy to promote sexual deviance because it helps them to hide economic conflicts but ultimately they are being guided by the invisible hand of nature.

  31. Propaganda works, of course it does. In the USA it was a few rich homosexuals who wanted to get rid of the homo-stigma, so they poured money into PR and politicians who changed laws, did positive propaganda etc.

    Also astonishing that despite of rainbowflag-propaganda, especially in so called “pride month” – you hardly read on the health hazard the so called “LGTBQ-community” poses. Between 80-85% of all cases of STD infections are caused by “man-on-man”-sex. USA is the number one western country regarding STD cases in absolute and relative terms

  32. @Denver

    The average normie in Poland or India probably think they are just like normal people but instead of putting the peepee in the jayjay, they put the peepee in the poopoo.

    If most people knew about the actual gay lifestyle, 1000 sex partners per person, bug chasing, GRIDS and half of them being pedophiles, those numbers would be way down.
     

    The portrayal of gays on the screen and press is very positive, they are either funny extroverts or the poorly understood victims of people with bad intentions, which causes sympathy among the passive viewers and readers.

    I think you are spot on. My mother says "what can you do if they like the same sex?", even though she's religious. She will agree with me after I point out examples, like you did, of why normalizing them, as opposed to just tolerating, is wrong. I think many people who are not political, who accept gays, are like my mother: they don't care what gays do behind doors, but are completely ignorant of the consequences of normalizing and elevating them. Of course they will eventually come to children, bring their ideology to schools, outlaw freedom of speech, censor religion, impact demographic growth negatively, and become part of a coalition of maladaptive freaks who have their own bad designs for society.

    Replies: @Caspar von Everec, @Firefinga, @thou/thee/thine pronouns

    Absolutley. The progay-propagandists are very clever in that regard. They will show well adjusted (white) kids as “trans-kids”, two doctor/lawyer-lesbians wanting to get married “like everybody else” and have successfully made a taboo of linking Homosexuals to staggering rates of STD-infections. Also, whenever HIV is being dicussed these days, they say “it’s no death penalty any more” – which technically is correct, but it is a burden for health insurance. In Germany for instance, “universal health care” pays for HIV therapy – 1 300 000 000 EUROs per year.

    • Agree: showmethereal, Dissident
  33. As that master of human relations Woody Alan said of bisexuality, anything that doubles your chance of scoring can’t be all bad. We’re supposed to hate gays today, because a tribe of Middle Eastern Bronze Age barbarian goatherds hated them? All they cared about was reproducing as much as possible to make warriors to fight other barbarians for grazing rights in the desert. When Christians carried this crackpot idea into the classical world, cultured Romans thought it hilarious, saying that their screwball god-man did not cut a very impressive figure, being so unnaturally fixated on what people did with their private parts.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Observator


    We’re supposed to hate gays today,
     
    The normalization, promotion and celebration of objectively unwholesome voluntary behaviors; the duplicitous conflation of these with involuntary feelings; the creation of a weaponized identity that reduces those who embrace it to mere slaves of their animal lusts, while sacralizing and conferring upon them protected, eternal victim status; and the insidious indoctrination, recruitment and conditioning of impressionable, conflicted often confused youth into such depravities. Those, overwhelmingly, are what people object to and oppose. Very few people today (and practically zero who are anywhere near holding any position of power) would condone persecution of individuals merely for having homoerotic proclivities, or policing what consenting adults do with each other in the privacy of their home.

    cultured Romans thought it hilarious,
     
    What about the ones who found it peachy-keen to rape child slaves, or to entertain the masses by feeding Christians to Lions? Were those the cultured Romans or the uncultured ones? I always forget.
  34. @AP
    @reiner Tor

    The new “LGBT” are usually “bisexuals” or “gender fluid” people who happen to only indulge in sex with members of their own biological sex. That is, the number of people actually engaging in homosexual acts hasn’t changed much but because LGBT is cool and fashionable and heterosexuality is boring, people have labelled themselves differently.

    There is now something called”demisexuality” as part of the rainbow - people (mostly girls attracted to boys) who are only sexually attracted to those they have an emotional connection to.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-demisexual-demisexuality

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    Once upon a time, was it really all that long ago (?), these issues weren’t as complicated as today:

    Or, were they? 🙂

  35. Turing is overrated. Basically, a mythic Christ-like (to them) figure of the gay agenda. That is why they are putting him on the highest denomination note in the UK.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @songbird

    "Turing is overrated. Basically, a mythic Christ-like (to them) figure of the gay agenda."

    It's very hard to know now just how good he was because of his sacred status. You'd have to find stories / anecdotes from that period between him being a disgusting/sad pervert (pre-1970s) and being an unparalleled genius destroyed by disgusting bigots (post-2000).

    Anyone read The Ultra Secret by Frederick Winterbotham, which first spilled the Bletchley beans in I think 1974?

    Replies: @Wency

  36. Interestingly enough, in Serbia the zoomers have never been more reactionary.

    Hopefully we Talibanize in the future and unleash unspeakable terror on the westfags. I would find that entertaining, and hope for great success and slaughter!

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Svevlad

    LowQ: "there's 2 genders, men must be like this, women like that."

    Midwit: "I am a demisexual/bi-romantic girl, so I want attachment before sex and can love people of all identities."

    HighQ: "there's 2 sexes, do what you want, labels for your personality are for tards, at least horoscopes have stars involved."

    Replies: @Svevlad

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @Svevlad


    Talibanize
     
    Out of the many political Islam models, I think specifically religious (as in *Christian*) successor states of the United States will adopt Taliban (not to the extent of ISIL) tactics against ideological adversaries, then Pakistan-style state-building and settling on institutions on the Iran (if a central ideological authority is still desired) or loosely Pakistan (with much more decentralization) model.

    A123 should have weighed into this but he should also have blocked me, so 🙄
  37. @Svevlad
    Interestingly enough, in Serbia the zoomers have never been more reactionary.

    Hopefully we Talibanize in the future and unleash unspeakable terror on the westfags. I would find that entertaining, and hope for great success and slaughter!

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Yellowface Anon

    LowQ: “there’s 2 genders, men must be like this, women like that.”

    Midwit: “I am a demisexual/bi-romantic girl, so I want attachment before sex and can love people of all identities.”

    HighQ: “there’s 2 sexes, do what you want, labels for your personality are for tards, at least horoscopes have stars involved.”

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I'm more for a personality type based nationalism. Don't care what your politics are, even if you agree with me - if I don't like someone they should gtfo. Most based system possible.

    Anyways, I like to keep things simple and streamlined. Hence why I propose we start with "people" who put pronouns in bio, or even worse, at the beginning of youtube videos. We really don't need such pollutants in the universe.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  38. Glad to hear the world is so full of people with maggot infested, diseased, prolapsed anuses running around adopting little children to molest. That is definitely progress.

  39. @Yevardian
    @Dmitry


    sexual minority
     
    Enough of this sociological jargon, 'Pervert' is much better and punchier word, it doesn't have any of the connotations of low-class fag-baiting or violence, and just neutrally describes exactly what they are.

    For example, one of the only sexual minority people I’ve known, is one of the few real womanizers. That is, he was appearing very heterosexual.
     
    I've met people like this too, usually whilst on holiday, otherwise I'm lucky enough not to have to brush circles with such people. Which brings me to respond to another, earlier, comment.

    It’s also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it’s got to do with hormones.
     
    Yes, well, of course, such people vary hugely, to paraphrase Anna Karenina, sexually normal people are all fairly similar, whilst every pervert is a pervert in his/her/xer/its own way.

    Its my impression that 'dominant' homos are usually the ones that go through life mostly undetected or closeted, seeming quite normal externally. Its only if you end up in a situation when you have to spend a lot of time around them or end up drinking with them that odd behaviour starts coming out.

    Actually, whilst I was on holiday a little while ago I had the misfortune to repeatedly end up in contact with such people, they were outwardly very macho (I don't even think they thought of themselves as homosexuals), not at all politically correct (there was a British guy laughing hysterically at a terrible alt-light Australian youtuber, 'Isaac Butterfield'), constantly repeating 'I'm not racist but {something obviously racist}' etc, another was some Union Official, and so on.

    Anyway, I'd rather not get into the stupid details, but I was 'hit on' by several people of this type whilst on holiday, I obviously wasn't homosexual, but that variety of pervert actually prefers to go after men like that, it's like some sort of 'conquest' for them.
    I remember years ago scoffing at Robert Lindsay's blog (Beyond Highbrow, long since banned) where he described how homosexuals wouldn't leave him alone whenever they got the chance, simply because (he claims) he used to be very handsome.. I thought it was just another example of that blogger's megalomania, but since experiencing it myself, I can say yes, the world indeed is full of faggot predators that go after other grown men, not just little boys.

    Incidentally, all of these people said they had terrible or non-existent relations with their fathers, or some sort of abusive stepfather figure in their childhood. I doubt that's a coincidence.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Anyway, I’d rather not get into the stupid details, but I was ‘hit on’ by several people of this type whilst on holiday, I obviously wasn’t homosexual, but that variety of pervert actually prefers to go after men like that, it’s like some sort of ‘conquest’ for them.
    I remember years ago scoffing at Robert Lindsay’s blog (Beyond Highbrow, long since banned) where he described how homosexuals wouldn’t leave him alone whenever they got the chance, simply because (he claims) he used to be very handsome.. I thought it was just another example of that blogger’s megalomania, but since experiencing it myself, I can say yes, the world indeed is full of faggot predators that go after other grown men, not just little boys.

    Cool story bro’, but also those “faggot predators”, whose behaviour you say you found distressing, but also seem ashamedly complimented by, sound like they’re just acting like men.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well yes, that did occur to me after the fact as well.
    It definitely gave some perspective, in the sense that if 'worst came to worst' (though they weren't that bad, mostly I simply accepted a bunch of free drinks {or some tickets they 'didn't need anymore'} because I stupidly thought it was because well.. I must just be a swell guy), I'd still have a fair chance of getting away, whereas if it gets to any sort of physical situation, a woman doesn't stand any chance and can only rely on another man to help her.
    As deeply uncomfortable as it made me (I changed accomodation twice because of it), I guess that's just a regular experience for any decently attractive woman, but they just get used to it.

    Anyway, the more important point is that (male) homosexuals are made, not born, and it almost invariably happens in childhood. As for lesbians, I can only quote Lukashenko: "if a woman is a lesbian, it's a man's fault". That or they're bi and hyper-sexual.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  40. @Caspar von Everec
    Ironically, white countries seem to be less gay than black ones or India. Only 55% of Indians say they are fully heterosexual? This country doesn't even have that type of cultural pressure promoting LGBT degneration.

    Homosexuality is quite endemic to blacks though. African countries are full of homosexual molestation and perversions and its immortalized by Tariq Nasheed's latest homoerotic propaganda/documentary, Buck Breaking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhu5GDRpciA

    In any case, I don't think homosexuality is a good bellweather for the culture war. Most people go their whole lives without ever meeting one. Since they were heavily stigmatized for most of history, most people have no idea what gays are actually like.

    The average normie in Poland or India probably think they are just like normal people but instead of putting the peepee in the jayjay, they put the peepee in the poopoo.

    If most people knew about the actual gay lifestyle, 1000 sex partners per person, bug chasing, GRIDS and half of them being pedophiles, those numbers would be way down.

    Support for abortion, refugees or transgenderism is a much better bellweather for the culture war.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Kuru

    Everything about Tariq Nasheed, from his work, to his affect, to what he likes, screams that he is gay.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I'd never heard of him except from old 4chan memes, but I just googled him and this just popped up from his twitter account... yeah.

    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1396621969101967361/photo/1

    I have no idea if it's a parody account, somebody who actually uses that site can verify.

    Replies: @El Dato

  41. @Caspar von Everec
    Only a God can save us - Martin Heideggar

    Without God, there can be no moral society. I used to be a cringe atheist but i've regained my belief in the almighty after realizing this fact.

    Without God, you can't justify an objective morality. Why do X, Y or Z, if there is no supreme authority and you are just a random configuration of atoms in 4D space?

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.

    Your life has no meaning and neither does your death. It just means a re-arrangement of molecules. The lack of God and a divine origin leads to relativisim. And relativism leads to an amoral society.

    A pack of sodomites pretending to be married and having sex with 14 year olds is considered no worse than a loving, loyal heterosexual couple with 3 kids.

    Its not a coincidence that all the great left wing revolutions in the past were based in a rejection of God. The French revolution, the bolshevik revolution, Maoist China...

    A key mistake a lot of normies make when talking about communism and liberalism is that they think that atheism is just a salient feature of these ideologies. They just happen to be atheist. In practice, the rejection of God lies at the very center of their beliefs. For only in a Godless society with no objective sense of reality and morality can their twisted ideology thrive.

    That's how you get the reign of terror, the gulags and the great leap forward. That's how you get drag queen story hour and castration of little children in the name of trangenderism.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Triteleia Laxa, @Svevlad, @showmethereal, @utu, @Levtraro

    Over the years I’ve come to see almost all religious doctrine as absurd and arbitrary — and almost all “important religious debates” as unnecessary distractions from actual important problems.

    But I’m more sure than ever that there is an eternal omnipotent God and an objective natural physical and moral law. And your description of what happens as theism wanes and moral relativism, pure selfishness, and hedonism spreads is right on.

  42. @Caspar von Everec
    Only a God can save us - Martin Heideggar

    Without God, there can be no moral society. I used to be a cringe atheist but i've regained my belief in the almighty after realizing this fact.

    Without God, you can't justify an objective morality. Why do X, Y or Z, if there is no supreme authority and you are just a random configuration of atoms in 4D space?

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.

    Your life has no meaning and neither does your death. It just means a re-arrangement of molecules. The lack of God and a divine origin leads to relativisim. And relativism leads to an amoral society.

    A pack of sodomites pretending to be married and having sex with 14 year olds is considered no worse than a loving, loyal heterosexual couple with 3 kids.

    Its not a coincidence that all the great left wing revolutions in the past were based in a rejection of God. The French revolution, the bolshevik revolution, Maoist China...

    A key mistake a lot of normies make when talking about communism and liberalism is that they think that atheism is just a salient feature of these ideologies. They just happen to be atheist. In practice, the rejection of God lies at the very center of their beliefs. For only in a Godless society with no objective sense of reality and morality can their twisted ideology thrive.

    That's how you get the reign of terror, the gulags and the great leap forward. That's how you get drag queen story hour and castration of little children in the name of trangenderism.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Triteleia Laxa, @Svevlad, @showmethereal, @utu, @Levtraro

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.

    Don’t you have a heart?

  43. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Yevardian


    Anyway, I’d rather not get into the stupid details, but I was ‘hit on’ by several people of this type whilst on holiday, I obviously wasn’t homosexual, but that variety of pervert actually prefers to go after men like that, it’s like some sort of ‘conquest’ for them.
    I remember years ago scoffing at Robert Lindsay’s blog (Beyond Highbrow, long since banned) where he described how homosexuals wouldn’t leave him alone whenever they got the chance, simply because (he claims) he used to be very handsome.. I thought it was just another example of that blogger’s megalomania, but since experiencing it myself, I can say yes, the world indeed is full of faggot predators that go after other grown men, not just little boys.
     
    Cool story bro', but also those "faggot predators", whose behaviour you say you found distressing, but also seem ashamedly complimented by, sound like they're just acting like men.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Well yes, that did occur to me after the fact as well.
    It definitely gave some perspective, in the sense that if ‘worst came to worst’ (though they weren’t that bad, mostly I simply accepted a bunch of free drinks {or some tickets they ‘didn’t need anymore’} because I stupidly thought it was because well.. I must just be a swell guy), I’d still have a fair chance of getting away, whereas if it gets to any sort of physical situation, a woman doesn’t stand any chance and can only rely on another man to help her.
    As deeply uncomfortable as it made me (I changed accomodation twice because of it), I guess that’s just a regular experience for any decently attractive woman, but they just get used to it.

    Anyway, the more important point is that (male) homosexuals are made, not born, and it almost invariably happens in childhood. As for lesbians, I can only quote Lukashenko: “if a woman is a lesbian, it’s a man’s fault”. That or they’re bi and hyper-sexual.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Yevardian

    Yes, thanks


    As for lesbians, I can only quote Lukashenko “if a woman is a lesbian, it’s a man’s fault”. That or they’re bi and hyper-sexual.
     
    Don'tbe silly, and quoting Lukashenko on women's sexuality is like quoting...actually, I can't think of an example which is ludicrous enough!

    Anyway, the more important point is that (male) homosexuals are made, not born, and it almost invariably happens in childhood.
     
    Yes, though "made" is too specific and sexuality is far beyond most people to understand or explain. It serves a psychological and even spiritual role which makes it as infinitely complex as the individual's involved. This is why you can find almost no one who can discuss it without extreme and obvious fear.
  44. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Caspar von Everec

    Everything about Tariq Nasheed, from his work, to his affect, to what he likes, screams that he is gay.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    I’d never heard of him except from old 4chan memes, but I just googled him and this just popped up from his twitter account… yeah.

    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1396621969101967361/photo/1

    I have no idea if it’s a parody account, somebody who actually uses that site can verify.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Yevardian

    That's his real account.

    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/946866458012684288

    They could penetrate blacks in nonstandard ways?

    Replies: @Pericles

  45. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Svevlad

    LowQ: "there's 2 genders, men must be like this, women like that."

    Midwit: "I am a demisexual/bi-romantic girl, so I want attachment before sex and can love people of all identities."

    HighQ: "there's 2 sexes, do what you want, labels for your personality are for tards, at least horoscopes have stars involved."

    Replies: @Svevlad

    I’m more for a personality type based nationalism. Don’t care what your politics are, even if you agree with me – if I don’t like someone they should gtfo. Most based system possible.

    Anyways, I like to keep things simple and streamlined. Hence why I propose we start with “people” who put pronouns in bio, or even worse, at the beginning of youtube videos. We really don’t need such pollutants in the universe.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Svevlad

    I didn't mean my comment to be a reply to you, but I like your awareness, and self-honesty, even if I disagree with your politics. Keep with that attitude in your conversation with yourself and it will pay dividends.

  46. @Caspar von Everec
    Only a God can save us - Martin Heideggar

    Without God, there can be no moral society. I used to be a cringe atheist but i've regained my belief in the almighty after realizing this fact.

    Without God, you can't justify an objective morality. Why do X, Y or Z, if there is no supreme authority and you are just a random configuration of atoms in 4D space?

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.

    Your life has no meaning and neither does your death. It just means a re-arrangement of molecules. The lack of God and a divine origin leads to relativisim. And relativism leads to an amoral society.

    A pack of sodomites pretending to be married and having sex with 14 year olds is considered no worse than a loving, loyal heterosexual couple with 3 kids.

    Its not a coincidence that all the great left wing revolutions in the past were based in a rejection of God. The French revolution, the bolshevik revolution, Maoist China...

    A key mistake a lot of normies make when talking about communism and liberalism is that they think that atheism is just a salient feature of these ideologies. They just happen to be atheist. In practice, the rejection of God lies at the very center of their beliefs. For only in a Godless society with no objective sense of reality and morality can their twisted ideology thrive.

    That's how you get the reign of terror, the gulags and the great leap forward. That's how you get drag queen story hour and castration of little children in the name of trangenderism.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Triteleia Laxa, @Svevlad, @showmethereal, @utu, @Levtraro

    Only if you’re a westerner and need to justify anything in the first place.

    Work on a far simpler, more basal level instead. No justifications, no philosophical idiocy, just brute force and power, precision and accuracy.

    My justification for an “objective morality” – “because I say so.”

    It works best, really. It immediately annihilates all discussion (based), makes your enemies reveal themselves in rage (even more useful) and signals to the cattle that you’re the boss and actually have the will to power.

  47. @Yevardian
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well yes, that did occur to me after the fact as well.
    It definitely gave some perspective, in the sense that if 'worst came to worst' (though they weren't that bad, mostly I simply accepted a bunch of free drinks {or some tickets they 'didn't need anymore'} because I stupidly thought it was because well.. I must just be a swell guy), I'd still have a fair chance of getting away, whereas if it gets to any sort of physical situation, a woman doesn't stand any chance and can only rely on another man to help her.
    As deeply uncomfortable as it made me (I changed accomodation twice because of it), I guess that's just a regular experience for any decently attractive woman, but they just get used to it.

    Anyway, the more important point is that (male) homosexuals are made, not born, and it almost invariably happens in childhood. As for lesbians, I can only quote Lukashenko: "if a woman is a lesbian, it's a man's fault". That or they're bi and hyper-sexual.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, thanks

    As for lesbians, I can only quote Lukashenko “if a woman is a lesbian, it’s a man’s fault”. That or they’re bi and hyper-sexual.

    Don’tbe silly, and quoting Lukashenko on women’s sexuality is like quoting…actually, I can’t think of an example which is ludicrous enough!

    Anyway, the more important point is that (male) homosexuals are made, not born, and it almost invariably happens in childhood.

    Yes, though “made” is too specific and sexuality is far beyond most people to understand or explain. It serves a psychological and even spiritual role which makes it as infinitely complex as the individual’s involved. This is why you can find almost no one who can discuss it without extreme and obvious fear.

  48. @Denver

    The average normie in Poland or India probably think they are just like normal people but instead of putting the peepee in the jayjay, they put the peepee in the poopoo.

    If most people knew about the actual gay lifestyle, 1000 sex partners per person, bug chasing, GRIDS and half of them being pedophiles, those numbers would be way down.
     

    The portrayal of gays on the screen and press is very positive, they are either funny extroverts or the poorly understood victims of people with bad intentions, which causes sympathy among the passive viewers and readers.

    I think you are spot on. My mother says "what can you do if they like the same sex?", even though she's religious. She will agree with me after I point out examples, like you did, of why normalizing them, as opposed to just tolerating, is wrong. I think many people who are not political, who accept gays, are like my mother: they don't care what gays do behind doors, but are completely ignorant of the consequences of normalizing and elevating them. Of course they will eventually come to children, bring their ideology to schools, outlaw freedom of speech, censor religion, impact demographic growth negatively, and become part of a coalition of maladaptive freaks who have their own bad designs for society.

    Replies: @Caspar von Everec, @Firefinga, @thou/thee/thine pronouns

    The portrayal of gays on the screen and press is very positive, they are either funny extroverts or the poorly understood victims of people with bad intentions, which causes sympathy among the passive viewers and readers.

    I wish that the people on this site would be against the entertainment side of the media as much as they boast against the Jews. I just read the comments on Jared Taylor’s article, where people said, where is the JQ, give us the JQ. I wonder how many of these very commentators are sitting with their families watching gay garbage on CW and ABC in the evening.

  49. @Svevlad
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I'm more for a personality type based nationalism. Don't care what your politics are, even if you agree with me - if I don't like someone they should gtfo. Most based system possible.

    Anyways, I like to keep things simple and streamlined. Hence why I propose we start with "people" who put pronouns in bio, or even worse, at the beginning of youtube videos. We really don't need such pollutants in the universe.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I didn’t mean my comment to be a reply to you, but I like your awareness, and self-honesty, even if I disagree with your politics. Keep with that attitude in your conversation with yourself and it will pay dividends.

  50. Reminder: This highly classifying language is Orwellian propaganda invented by sodomy apologists. No one was “homosexual” in ancient times. Thus, the “gay” category is not a natural category. Even the survey questions are submissive, penetrated by the metaphysical models of lavender: they ask questions about the “attraction for the same sex.” Well, there’s a big difference between feeling the spark of human connection to someone and being fucked. But we molested our sons by telling them that they should avoid proximity to their brothers for fear that they might be fairies. They that are lent to enjoy sociality with their brothers were then of the mind that they must also be sodomizers or catamites. Unless you think the modern phenomenon was all physical violation…an immense claim given the demographic shifts.

    Many of you are so willing to use the fiendish words like “homosexual” and “heterosexual” without comment. Keep in mind that these same categories of names are a tacit endorsement, and they evoke by their nature the very parallelism in the minds of the people between the natural and the degenerate that is seen in the survey answers.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @thou/thee/thine pronouns

    Do you suggest that we don't have a word specifically for people who have sex with their own sex, no matter the method?

  51. The main question to be asked, is where do the queers fit in in the grand scheme of things?

    Currently? Nowhere. Hence why they have a whopping almost 100% subversion rate. Biological fifth columnists.

    Find them, however, a niche, and they’ll drop the fifth columnist act and do something smarter instead.

  52. Aren’t we all a bit hysterical about the homo phenomenon? Prager, of course from Jewish perspective, has said what anyone who has studied world cultures already knew- the whole world had been screwing like rabbits all the time & the havens didn’t fall. Of course, now this is a politicized issue, but I don’t think that weak family ties & high divorce rates have much to do with fairies.

    25:30

  53. Please don’t post Dennis Prager, even as a joke. Some things are beyond the pale.

  54. @songbird
    Turing is overrated. Basically, a mythic Christ-like (to them) figure of the gay agenda. That is why they are putting him on the highest denomination note in the UK.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Turing is overrated. Basically, a mythic Christ-like (to them) figure of the gay agenda.”

    It’s very hard to know now just how good he was because of his sacred status. You’d have to find stories / anecdotes from that period between him being a disgusting/sad pervert (pre-1970s) and being an unparalleled genius destroyed by disgusting bigots (post-2000).

    Anyone read The Ultra Secret by Frederick Winterbotham, which first spilled the Bletchley beans in I think 1974?

    • Replies: @Wency
    @YetAnotherAnon

    My guess would be that, to a first approximation, every post-WW2 (and possibly earlier) scientist was entirely replaceable. If the "lone genius" in question didn't do it, someone else would have before long. What mattered was the culture that produced that scientist and drove him to his discoveries.

    And I also tend to agree with those who argue that scientists per se are overrated and that engineers and inventors are more valuable -- scientists are mostly either creating post-hoc explanations for useful inventions/discoveries, or exploring domains that have little value to practical inventions. Very seldom are they really laying the groundwork for new practical inventions.

    Speaking of practical inventions, our computer technology has barely advanced, in practical terms, for the past 10 years. So even if Turing advanced our understanding by a decade (highly dubious), that just means we'd have Windows 7 instead of Windows 10 (which is really 9), and PS4 instead of PS5, and iPhone 4 instead of iPhone whatever who cares.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon

  55. Just fascinating results. It’s interesting how “high school or less” education category has the most sexual freaks. This ties in with my observation that white proles in particular seem to be disposed to being “trans” or having weird hair color or otherwise cringey, and strange style. Not that I have many contacts with proles, but you know, I know people from prole families. Has a sort of Fishtown vs Belmont feel to it, the genetic lottery losers falling prey to the toxic memes, not “getting the joke” at the same rates as the bobos, who maybe play at cheering on the sexual weirdos, but are sure to steer their children around the snares.

    This also reminds me of your ongoing theme, Karlin, of the ‘breeders beneath the surface’ (my paraphrase). Like some people are totally immune to this nonsense, and some people are partly immune, and gradually developing memetic defenses against it, and they’ll inherit the earth. In particular I’d imagine the “Veliki American” (i.e. White) population are under the most extreme selection for defenses against the gay, at present. Seems plausible that in 2100, the ethnic American population have been bred to have strong immunity to this sort of nonsense.

    • Replies: @Charlotte
    @Boswald Bollocksworth


    white proles in particular seem to be disposed to being “trans” or having weird hair color or otherwise cringey, and strange style.
     
    The “Flight from White” plays into this, I think. Unmoored, confused young people who constantly hear that they are evil and undeserving because they are white . . . Transracialism hasn’t caught on (for obvious reasons, BIPOCs do not want to share the AA spoils) but “queerness,” transgenderism, and all the boutique sexual identities allow ordinary whites to share in the identitarian drama as a type of vibrant minority rather than a plain, dull oppressor. It’s interesting how many of the labels (bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual, demisexual, etc.) boil down to, “I’m attracted to people I’m attracted to.” Despite very little content, adopting the LGBTQ+ label means they can celebrate their “sexual identity” during Pride Month, feel important when they see a rainbow flag, and oppressed when they hear about some awful transphobe who’s probably a white supremacist, too. I suspect the claiming of a special identity also functions as a cope for young people made insecure about sex by porn.
  56. I don’t buy any of this “number of gay people rising” and everyone who spends some time outside in the real world knows this. LGBT is fashionable nowadays so lots of people (especially girls) identify as lgbt. But they’re not really lgbt. We have data on this, more and more people identify as lgbt but the share of people who engage in same sex intercourse isn’t rising. This fits with my real life experience. I live in a Woke University city many girls identify their sexuality as lgbt. Most of them are in monogamous relationships with guys. The real percentage of gay people is probably around 1-2% in every society, America like Russia.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mersaux

    Yes I saw the same kind of thing. Appearances seem to be deceptive, if you assumed that Western zoomers with rainbow flags were living a hedonistic lifestyle.

    From what I could see from neighbours, Western bourgeois students with rainbow flags on their windows, seem to be mostly living with a "socially conservative" (i.e. quiet and boring, if tranquil) lifestyle. ​It seems like they don't even listen to loud music. Perhaps I have been just lucky, but living next to elite Western zoomers, can feel more like you are living in an old persons' community. And I've lived next quite many sets of them, and they are all behaving more like grandparents who go to sleep early.

    I was laughing about this once when there was music in the street, because we were walking home late at night, and a young student was playing music with their window open - and the music was Bach. You know you have well behaved neighbours and live in the right place, when there are peaceful sounds of Bach playing at 1am.

    By comparison, most of the youth in postsoviet countries are having a lot more sex, alcohol, drugs and loud music, on average. And working class zoomers in West also seem that might be having more "normal" youth times as well than the elite - at least, sometimes working class youth in the West look like they are smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol on benches of parks at night.

    Replies: @Svevlad, @Triteleia Laxa

  57. One can no longer ignore the contributions of lesbians to TFR:

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @for-the-record

    That bullshit is no laughing matter.

  58. @thou/thee/thine pronouns
    Reminder: This highly classifying language is Orwellian propaganda invented by sodomy apologists. No one was "homosexual" in ancient times. Thus, the "gay" category is not a natural category. Even the survey questions are submissive, penetrated by the metaphysical models of lavender: they ask questions about the "attraction for the same sex." Well, there's a big difference between feeling the spark of human connection to someone and being fucked. But we molested our sons by telling them that they should avoid proximity to their brothers for fear that they might be fairies. They that are lent to enjoy sociality with their brothers were then of the mind that they must also be sodomizers or catamites. Unless you think the modern phenomenon was all physical violation…an immense claim given the demographic shifts.

    Many of you are so willing to use the fiendish words like "homosexual" and "heterosexual" without comment. Keep in mind that these same categories of names are a tacit endorsement, and they evoke by their nature the very parallelism in the minds of the people between the natural and the degenerate that is seen in the survey answers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Do you suggest that we don’t have a word specifically for people who have sex with their own sex, no matter the method?

  59. Has anyone ever tried to compare gay lisp across borders? Is it a biological universal among gays or would it allow you to track the spread of gay culture and influence. Maybe, Anglosphere gays have the biggest lisp, showing network effects of speakers and broader cultural integration?

    Perhaps, there are sounds found in some languages that make them sound more gay, and some in others that make them less so. This might either serve as a barrier or increase its signaling value.

    Anyway, it is too bad the old Victorian ethnologists did not take samples of voice pitch, to serve as a baseline to figure out if men’s voices are getting more effeminate (as I think they probably are.)

  60. The lines of the coming Gay vs. Anti-Gay Cold War are becoming more apparent on the map.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg

    The aggressive homos of the Anglosphere, Western Europe, South Africa and parts of Latin America will be looking to spread their doctrine of Same Sex Marriage around the world, by force if necessary. The Gay Empire’s satrapies in Eastern Europe, East Asia and the rest of Latin America will find out that “civil unions” are no longer acceptable, and they *must* get with the SSM program.

    The Empire will also attack the anti-gay forces in the small Caribbean and South Pacific nations where man-on-man sodomy is still illegal, forcing them into SSM as well. And needless to say the Gay Empire accusations of “homophobia” against Russia, China and various lesser SSM-refusers will be deafening.

    But it’s the several dozen mostly African and Asian countries where man-on-man sex is illegal that may end up feeling the deadly wrath of an enraged, gay West. The Rainbow warriors are whipping themselves into such a state of righteousness about everything LGBT that the anti-gay holdouts may face boycotts, sanctions, or even invasions if they don’t (1) legalize sodomy, followed by (2) legalize SSM.

    I don’t think the rest of the world is quite ready for the buggering they’re about to get in this new, gay Cold War, but the anal-obsessed West is going to bugger them anyway, ready or not.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @jeppo

    It's less the pozz, more like rabies. Or both, simultaneously

    Makes you insane and attack everyone, behave idiotically, and then die horribly. In a collective sense, usually with vultures disemboweling you before you're even dead.

    And so, the West goes the way of the Amazonian city-building civilizations. Nothing shall remain apart from the knowledge that they existed.

    A fitting punishment, I say, for stupidity must be punished with increasing severity as a species develops, so that the other elements learn not to do this, lest they accidentally ruin the whole species.

  61. @jeppo
    The lines of the coming Gay vs. Anti-Gay Cold War are becoming more apparent on the map.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg

    The aggressive homos of the Anglosphere, Western Europe, South Africa and parts of Latin America will be looking to spread their doctrine of Same Sex Marriage around the world, by force if necessary. The Gay Empire's satrapies in Eastern Europe, East Asia and the rest of Latin America will find out that "civil unions" are no longer acceptable, and they *must* get with the SSM program.

    The Empire will also attack the anti-gay forces in the small Caribbean and South Pacific nations where man-on-man sodomy is still illegal, forcing them into SSM as well. And needless to say the Gay Empire accusations of "homophobia" against Russia, China and various lesser SSM-refusers will be deafening.

    But it's the several dozen mostly African and Asian countries where man-on-man sex is illegal that may end up feeling the deadly wrath of an enraged, gay West. The Rainbow warriors are whipping themselves into such a state of righteousness about everything LGBT that the anti-gay holdouts may face boycotts, sanctions, or even invasions if they don't (1) legalize sodomy, followed by (2) legalize SSM.

    I don't think the rest of the world is quite ready for the buggering they're about to get in this new, gay Cold War, but the anal-obsessed West is going to bugger them anyway, ready or not.

    Replies: @Svevlad

    It’s less the pozz, more like rabies. Or both, simultaneously

    Makes you insane and attack everyone, behave idiotically, and then die horribly. In a collective sense, usually with vultures disemboweling you before you’re even dead.

    And so, the West goes the way of the Amazonian city-building civilizations. Nothing shall remain apart from the knowledge that they existed.

    A fitting punishment, I say, for stupidity must be punished with increasing severity as a species develops, so that the other elements learn not to do this, lest they accidentally ruin the whole species.

    • Agree: El Dato
  62. I have no reason to trust these polls, often from liberal polling stations.

    Sample size is too small (let me guess around 1000 per country?) and probably taken in large urban areas liberal only.

    The global average has too many European countries and ignores much of the world population.

    How can I know old are answering at similar rates to young?

    Btw if its changing (which it properly is in favor slowly) its due to social media, television, internet
    and people getting lost and “accepting it”.

    Governments make it acceptable faster than the population (like USA for both LBGT and miscegenation laws). These governments are often connected to internationalist groups with billions and billions to spend on propaganda.

    I have seen results for these polls giving completely different numbers. Look at other sources particularly in language from the country of origin..

  63. @Yevardian
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I'd never heard of him except from old 4chan memes, but I just googled him and this just popped up from his twitter account... yeah.

    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1396621969101967361/photo/1

    I have no idea if it's a parody account, somebody who actually uses that site can verify.

    Replies: @El Dato

    That’s his real account.

    They could penetrate blacks in nonstandard ways?

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @El Dato

    The Scooby Doo theory of criminology.

  64. It looks like gay marriage won’t be coming to Afghanistan anytime soon.

  65. @for-the-record
    One can no longer ignore the contributions of lesbians to TFR:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Screen-Shot-2021-08-14-at-7.45.00-AM-e1628945259314.png

    Replies: @El Dato

    That bullshit is no laughing matter.

  66. @Ana Maria
    The amount of young people with an androgynous appearance has skyrocketed in the past 5~6 years, at least in the area where I live (large Latin American metropolis). I increasingly see kids dyeing their hair as well, tons of boys with blue/green or even pink hair walking around.

    Might be a hormonal thing, as the degree of fatness among adolescents has also risen to worrying levels. Their posture has also deteriorated very visibly since I graduated from High School in 2012. The Pandemic has sped up these trends, as the time spent sitting inside and on social media as well as watching porn has exploded.

    It's also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it's got to do with hormones.

    Replies: @Wyatt, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @showmethereal, @Rahan

    Well that is why they should be called “homosexual” and not “gay”. Many of them are not happy – which is what the English word “gay” meant.
    but yeah hormones in the environment has to be part of it…. many more people appear to have fertility issues also. Two of my great grandfathers had 12 children… Now almost all the young people in my family have fertility issues.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @showmethereal

    Thanks to the processed junk that they have been eating since childhood.

  67. @AP
    @reiner Tor

    So whereas in the past a teenage Western boy might scandalise the parents by being a greaser, hippie, punk, or Eminem-listening wigger, nowadays he might wear makeup, speak like a girl, and be “non binary”- while still having sex with girls who will be attracted to him because they don’t like guys who are “obnoxiously heterosexual.”

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Scary… But it sounds very accurate.

  68. @Caspar von Everec
    Only a God can save us - Martin Heideggar

    Without God, there can be no moral society. I used to be a cringe atheist but i've regained my belief in the almighty after realizing this fact.

    Without God, you can't justify an objective morality. Why do X, Y or Z, if there is no supreme authority and you are just a random configuration of atoms in 4D space?

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.

    Your life has no meaning and neither does your death. It just means a re-arrangement of molecules. The lack of God and a divine origin leads to relativisim. And relativism leads to an amoral society.

    A pack of sodomites pretending to be married and having sex with 14 year olds is considered no worse than a loving, loyal heterosexual couple with 3 kids.

    Its not a coincidence that all the great left wing revolutions in the past were based in a rejection of God. The French revolution, the bolshevik revolution, Maoist China...

    A key mistake a lot of normies make when talking about communism and liberalism is that they think that atheism is just a salient feature of these ideologies. They just happen to be atheist. In practice, the rejection of God lies at the very center of their beliefs. For only in a Godless society with no objective sense of reality and morality can their twisted ideology thrive.

    That's how you get the reign of terror, the gulags and the great leap forward. That's how you get drag queen story hour and castration of little children in the name of trangenderism.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Triteleia Laxa, @Svevlad, @showmethereal, @utu, @Levtraro

    While overall you are correct – you might find it ironic that the communist party of China looks at homosexuality as a mental illness and bans it from media.

  69. Aren’t there reproductive costs to being ugly? Or mentally ill?

  70. @Caspar von Everec
    Only a God can save us - Martin Heideggar

    Without God, there can be no moral society. I used to be a cringe atheist but i've regained my belief in the almighty after realizing this fact.

    Without God, you can't justify an objective morality. Why do X, Y or Z, if there is no supreme authority and you are just a random configuration of atoms in 4D space?

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.

    Your life has no meaning and neither does your death. It just means a re-arrangement of molecules. The lack of God and a divine origin leads to relativisim. And relativism leads to an amoral society.

    A pack of sodomites pretending to be married and having sex with 14 year olds is considered no worse than a loving, loyal heterosexual couple with 3 kids.

    Its not a coincidence that all the great left wing revolutions in the past were based in a rejection of God. The French revolution, the bolshevik revolution, Maoist China...

    A key mistake a lot of normies make when talking about communism and liberalism is that they think that atheism is just a salient feature of these ideologies. They just happen to be atheist. In practice, the rejection of God lies at the very center of their beliefs. For only in a Godless society with no objective sense of reality and morality can their twisted ideology thrive.

    That's how you get the reign of terror, the gulags and the great leap forward. That's how you get drag queen story hour and castration of little children in the name of trangenderism.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Triteleia Laxa, @Svevlad, @showmethereal, @utu, @Levtraro

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue.

    The point at which materialism falls apart is consciousness and free will. The key to realizing the limits of scientific world view are consciousness and free will. Science is attempting to explain them away as epiphenomena because ideologically the atheistic science can’t allow for their existence because their real existence is outside of science while within the science they are mere epiphenomena.

    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science and the science of reductionism pushed by shortsighted simpletons is trying to explain away consciousness and free will which really is cutting the branch on which it sits.

    All materialists can’t handle consciousness; it is the greatest challenge to their world view. So they must kill it, render it irrelevant, just an illusion, an epiphenomenon that plays no role what so ever in the objective reality. And they say it with a straight face knowing perfectly well that the “I” that is speaking and the “I” that is identifying with what is spoken is the same consciousness that they casted aside as an illusion. So who is really speaking? An automaton that knows the truth? They hear voices in their heads like schizophrenics and listen to them and follow them while at the same time saying the voices are just an epiphenomenon. So why do they listen to the voices – because they have no choice, they have no free will. Materialists are like little children who when caught with a hand in the cookie jar can say with a straight face that the hand is not their hand. It is amazing that they are engaged in building a huge superstructure just to escape the little contradiction they dare not to explore. When I think about it in Christian metaphors it is like a diabolic possession of people who fear God so much that they will do anythin to deny not just his existence but a mere possibility of it.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @utu


    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science
     
    Pure Dogma my good fellow.

    You can't even hold your "consciousness" together for more than a few seconds and your impression of "free will" comes after the decision has been made. Illusions, but useful to explain the actions of the system to itself - a "digital twin" from before Google came up with the idea.

    Worse, these concepts are at the heart of the West's bizarre ideas that "you can be anything you want to be", "mind over matter", "you can do it if you try really hard" etc. Bullshit.

    But that's all unimportant. Your flood of magical African words obscures the fact that you are on the wrong train and want to actually talk about ethics.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Levtraro
    @utu


    The point at which materialism falls apart is consciousness and free will.
     
    Lol! You don't know what you're talking about. There are lots of scientific research into conciousness, self-awareness, and related phenomena.
  71. OT: Could it be accurate or were they trolled by anti-vaxxers?

    Americans with PhDs are the most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID, study finds
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9893465/Americans-PhDs-reluctant-vaccinated-against-COVID-study-finds.html

    • Replies: @Kuru
    @utu

    Had to chuckle at the "anti-soyence" types on social media touting that soyentific study as proof of their intellectual superiority over the midwits.

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @utu

    You literally can't perceive their rationale.

    , @Levtraro
    @utu

    You have to bring the subject of COVID vaccines here. You are a one-trick pony.

    Replies: @iffen

  72. @Caspar von Everec
    Ironically, white countries seem to be less gay than black ones or India. Only 55% of Indians say they are fully heterosexual? This country doesn't even have that type of cultural pressure promoting LGBT degneration.

    Homosexuality is quite endemic to blacks though. African countries are full of homosexual molestation and perversions and its immortalized by Tariq Nasheed's latest homoerotic propaganda/documentary, Buck Breaking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhu5GDRpciA

    In any case, I don't think homosexuality is a good bellweather for the culture war. Most people go their whole lives without ever meeting one. Since they were heavily stigmatized for most of history, most people have no idea what gays are actually like.

    The average normie in Poland or India probably think they are just like normal people but instead of putting the peepee in the jayjay, they put the peepee in the poopoo.

    If most people knew about the actual gay lifestyle, 1000 sex partners per person, bug chasing, GRIDS and half of them being pedophiles, those numbers would be way down.

    Support for abortion, refugees or transgenderism is a much better bellweather for the culture war.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Kuru

    Only 55% of Indians say they are fully heterosexual? This country doesn’t even have that type of cultural pressure promoting LGBT degneration.

    Probably lost in translation, like that World Values Survey a few years back claiming ~40% of Indians don’t want a neighbour of a different race.

  73. @utu
    OT: Could it be accurate or were they trolled by anti-vaxxers?

    Americans with PhDs are the most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID, study finds
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9893465/Americans-PhDs-reluctant-vaccinated-against-COVID-study-finds.html

    Replies: @Kuru, @Yellowface Anon, @Levtraro

    Had to chuckle at the “anti-soyence” types on social media touting that soyentific study as proof of their intellectual superiority over the midwits.

  74. @utu
    @Caspar von Everec


    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue.
     
    The point at which materialism falls apart is consciousness and free will. The key to realizing the limits of scientific world view are consciousness and free will. Science is attempting to explain them away as epiphenomena because ideologically the atheistic science can’t allow for their existence because their real existence is outside of science while within the science they are mere epiphenomena.

    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science and the science of reductionism pushed by shortsighted simpletons is trying to explain away consciousness and free will which really is cutting the branch on which it sits.

    All materialists can’t handle consciousness; it is the greatest challenge to their world view. So they must kill it, render it irrelevant, just an illusion, an epiphenomenon that plays no role what so ever in the objective reality. And they say it with a straight face knowing perfectly well that the “I” that is speaking and the “I” that is identifying with what is spoken is the same consciousness that they casted aside as an illusion. So who is really speaking? An automaton that knows the truth? They hear voices in their heads like schizophrenics and listen to them and follow them while at the same time saying the voices are just an epiphenomenon. So why do they listen to the voices – because they have no choice, they have no free will. Materialists are like little children who when caught with a hand in the cookie jar can say with a straight face that the hand is not their hand. It is amazing that they are engaged in building a huge superstructure just to escape the little contradiction they dare not to explore. When I think about it in Christian metaphors it is like a diabolic possession of people who fear God so much that they will do anythin to deny not just his existence but a mere possibility of it.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Levtraro

    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science

    Pure Dogma my good fellow.

    You can’t even hold your “consciousness” together for more than a few seconds and your impression of “free will” comes after the decision has been made. Illusions, but useful to explain the actions of the system to itself – a “digital twin” from before Google came up with the idea.

    Worse, these concepts are at the heart of the West’s bizarre ideas that “you can be anything you want to be”, “mind over matter”, “you can do it if you try really hard” etc. Bullshit.

    But that’s all unimportant. Your flood of magical African words obscures the fact that you are on the wrong train and want to actually talk about ethics.

    • Replies: @utu
    @El Dato

    I acknowledge I received the output from the El Dato machine.

  75. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/08/12/minsk-is-teetering-on-the-brink-of-a-dangerous-escalation-a74770

    Thanks to international diplomatic efforts, Iraq has now canceled flights to Minsk and started taking back Iraqis stranded in Belarus, and the flow of migrants into Lithuania has stopped. But the crisis isn’t over: Poland and Latvia are now also reporting increased numbers of people illegally crossing their borders.

    Luka, master troll of the universe.

  76. @El Dato
    @utu


    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science
     
    Pure Dogma my good fellow.

    You can't even hold your "consciousness" together for more than a few seconds and your impression of "free will" comes after the decision has been made. Illusions, but useful to explain the actions of the system to itself - a "digital twin" from before Google came up with the idea.

    Worse, these concepts are at the heart of the West's bizarre ideas that "you can be anything you want to be", "mind over matter", "you can do it if you try really hard" etc. Bullshit.

    But that's all unimportant. Your flood of magical African words obscures the fact that you are on the wrong train and want to actually talk about ethics.

    Replies: @utu

    I acknowledge I received the output from the El Dato machine.

  77. This is not a lasting trend and will evaporate as Western power evaporates. Death to America. Death to Europe.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  78. @Felix Keverich
    Poland is falling apart as a society and their demographics are in tailspin. I suppose liberalism succeded, where communism failed. "Holy Poland" is gone.

    https://twitter.com/RafalMundry/status/1418487403682181124

    Replies: @Froooo, @AlexanderGrozny

    Good. Poland deserves it’s fate.

  79. Remember that politics is a circle. What is falsely called ‘far right’ has a lot of gay socialists in it.

    It is relevant to this thread that what passes for WN today is being rapidly taken over by homosexuals. White Trashionalism is about 40% gay, and women like Rosie and Alden say it is a much higher percentage than that.

    See here for just the latest example, where commenter Truth pressures commenter Trinity to say whether he prefers a white man or a black woman (even the most attractive black woman) as a sexual partner. Trinity just cannot bring himself to say he prefers the female. Their rationale is that race loyalty has to trump sexual orientation, and that producing no baby is better than producing a mulatto baby. See for yourself :

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-black-call-for-separation/#comment-4833223

    This is why virtually no women are found in WN. 55% of white women voted for Trump, but zero are found in WN (aside from the aforementioned septugenarians).

    To keep a running roster, the full list of TUR WN commenters who have said they think that them, as males, having sex with a black woman is worse than having sex with a white man, is below :

    GeneralRimmer
    JohnnySmoggins
    utu
    AndrewR
    RegCaesar
    Svigor
    Mark Tre
    BenKenobi
    neutral
    iffen
    William Badwhite
    Pericles
    Lurker
    Cowtown Rebel
    Trinity
    JMcG

    Greg Johnson’s spiritual takeover is succeeding.

    • LOL: Svevlad
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Thomm

    Powerful and insightful comment. I love this website!

    , @Dissident
    @Thomm


    To keep a running roster, the full list of TUR WN commenters who have said they think that them, as males, having sex with a black woman is worse than having sex with a white man, is below :
    [...]
    utu
    [...]
    RegCaesar
    iffen
    JMcG
     
    As for being White Nationalists, I'm certain that Reg and iffen, at least, are not, and nearly certain that utu is not. (While not sure about JMcG, I had never assumed him to be a WN.)

    As for finding the thought or prospect of erotic intimacy with a black woman even worse than said intimacy with a white man, I cannot imagine any of the afore-singled-out four commenters ever seriously/credibly expressing such or revealing such a preference. Nor, I daresay, could anyone with even minimal familiarity with any of said individuals.

    Replies: @Thomm

  80. @Boswald Bollocksworth
    Just fascinating results. It's interesting how "high school or less" education category has the most sexual freaks. This ties in with my observation that white proles in particular seem to be disposed to being "trans" or having weird hair color or otherwise cringey, and strange style. Not that I have many contacts with proles, but you know, I know people from prole families. Has a sort of Fishtown vs Belmont feel to it, the genetic lottery losers falling prey to the toxic memes, not "getting the joke" at the same rates as the bobos, who maybe play at cheering on the sexual weirdos, but are sure to steer their children around the snares.

    This also reminds me of your ongoing theme, Karlin, of the 'breeders beneath the surface' (my paraphrase). Like some people are totally immune to this nonsense, and some people are partly immune, and gradually developing memetic defenses against it, and they'll inherit the earth. In particular I'd imagine the "Veliki American" (i.e. White) population are under the most extreme selection for defenses against the gay, at present. Seems plausible that in 2100, the ethnic American population have been bred to have strong immunity to this sort of nonsense.

    Replies: @Charlotte

    white proles in particular seem to be disposed to being “trans” or having weird hair color or otherwise cringey, and strange style.

    The “Flight from White” plays into this, I think. Unmoored, confused young people who constantly hear that they are evil and undeserving because they are white . . . Transracialism hasn’t caught on (for obvious reasons, BIPOCs do not want to share the AA spoils) but “queerness,” transgenderism, and all the boutique sexual identities allow ordinary whites to share in the identitarian drama as a type of vibrant minority rather than a plain, dull oppressor. It’s interesting how many of the labels (bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual, demisexual, etc.) boil down to, “I’m attracted to people I’m attracted to.” Despite very little content, adopting the LGBTQ+ label means they can celebrate their “sexual identity” during Pride Month, feel important when they see a rainbow flag, and oppressed when they hear about some awful transphobe who’s probably a white supremacist, too. I suspect the claiming of a special identity also functions as a cope for young people made insecure about sex by porn.

  81. @Felix Keverich
    Poland is falling apart as a society and their demographics are in tailspin. I suppose liberalism succeded, where communism failed. "Holy Poland" is gone.

    https://twitter.com/RafalMundry/status/1418487403682181124

    Replies: @Froooo, @AlexanderGrozny

    I don’t know what gives you that impression, look at the GDP per capita and standard of living over the last 3 decades.

    Polish people have never had it so good. This is a golden age for Poland economically speaking, and liberalism is hardly succeeding there given the current government’s conservatism.

  82. @Thomm
    Remember that politics is a circle. What is falsely called 'far right' has a lot of gay socialists in it.

    It is relevant to this thread that what passes for WN today is being rapidly taken over by homosexuals. White Trashionalism is about 40% gay, and women like Rosie and Alden say it is a much higher percentage than that.

    See here for just the latest example, where commenter Truth pressures commenter Trinity to say whether he prefers a white man or a black woman (even the most attractive black woman) as a sexual partner. Trinity just cannot bring himself to say he prefers the female. Their rationale is that race loyalty has to trump sexual orientation, and that producing no baby is better than producing a mulatto baby. See for yourself :

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-black-call-for-separation/#comment-4833223

    This is why virtually no women are found in WN. 55% of white women voted for Trump, but zero are found in WN (aside from the aforementioned septugenarians).

    To keep a running roster, the full list of TUR WN commenters who have said they think that them, as males, having sex with a black woman is worse than having sex with a white man, is below :


    GeneralRimmer
    JohnnySmoggins
    utu
    AndrewR
    RegCaesar
    Svigor
    Mark Tre
    BenKenobi
    neutral
    iffen
    William Badwhite
    Pericles
    Lurker
    Cowtown Rebel
    Trinity
    JMcG


    Greg Johnson's spiritual takeover is succeeding.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dissident

    Powerful and insightful comment. I love this website!

    • Agree: Levtraro
  83. @reiner Tor
    Who are the ones who got more homosexual? Males or females? It’s so frustrating that the age groups are not broken down by sex.

    Replies: @AP, @AP, @Old Brown Fool

    A lot of sexual orientation is received; if the society ignores or even positively encourages homosexuality, it will be widely practiced. Only very few, a few percentage points, are thoroughly homosexuals; the rest are comfortable with either sex. And I wonder if there is a positive correlation between male homosexuality and age, because availability is also big factor, and old people may find it easier to get a young homosexual than a young partner of opposite sex.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Old Brown Fool


    Only very few, a few percentage points, are thoroughly homosexuals;
     
    Of that much, at least, there would not appear to be much doubt. The number of individuals with exclusive same-sex erotic attractions and preferences would indeed appear to never have been more than a small minority of the population.

    the rest are comfortable with either sex.
     
    That would seem, at best, a rather wild overstatement. One hardly, if at all, more credible than denying that individuals with bisexual proclivities exist at all.

    And I wonder if there is a positive correlation between male homosexuality and age,
     
    There clearly are certain critical correlations and distinctions in this area with regard to the respective ages of the individuals. For one, there would seem to be pretty compelling evidence that various forms of erotic exploration and activity among early adolescent boys has not been uncommon across at least many cultures and eras.(Numerous sources that could be cited include but are not limited-to Ellis; Kinsey; and an overwhelming number of anecdotal accounts from countless, extremely diverse sources.) Such activity can include anything from engaging in self-stimulatory behaviors merely in the presence of each other (perhaps most common, and easily the most innocuous of the possibilities), to (the hideous act of) buggery at the other (perhaps the least common, and easily the least innocuous). Between those two extremes, of course, are found any number of other distinct and unique means of experiencing carnal erotic intimacy.

    The evidence appears pretty compelling, moreover, that of the total number of males who engage in such behavior at some point prior to the close of their adolescence, the vast majority grow-up to be at least overwhelmingly and even exclusively heterosexual-- in their desires and preferences, their behavior, and their identity.

    Additionally, there is rather strong evidence that for adult males, (a) an erotic interest in adolescent males (primarily somewhere within the 12-17 age range) is far more common than one in fellow fully-adult males, and (b) the former is far more likely than the latter to be present in addition-to a more-or-less normal heterosexual interest in females. Just how common is such a hebephilic or ephebophilic homoerotic interest among adult males? Surely, that would be impossible to determine as long as said interest (even as nothing more than a mere attraction that is never acted-upon) remains as stigmatized, condemned and taboo as it presently does in nearly all societies.

    My own theory on the matter is that many or even most men have within them at least a latent or dormant capacity to find a decidedly, even exquisitely erotic appeal in boys at this unique, transitory stage of development. In the healthy, well-adjusted man, however, any such feelings will normally be eclipsed by the default interest in women that is present. And for that and other reasons, under normal conditions, any erotic interest in boys will generally not manifest itself beyond, at most, a passing fancy. Additionally, the strong social and legal taboos surrounding any interest of any intensity in this area (even if not overtly or consciously erotic) that unquestionably act as a strong deterrent to behavior, may also serve to stifle and suppress even mere thought and feelings.

  84. @Mersaux
    I don't buy any of this "number of gay people rising" and everyone who spends some time outside in the real world knows this. LGBT is fashionable nowadays so lots of people (especially girls) identify as lgbt. But they're not really lgbt. We have data on this, more and more people identify as lgbt but the share of people who engage in same sex intercourse isn't rising. This fits with my real life experience. I live in a Woke University city many girls identify their sexuality as lgbt. Most of them are in monogamous relationships with guys. The real percentage of gay people is probably around 1-2% in every society, America like Russia.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Yes I saw the same kind of thing. Appearances seem to be deceptive, if you assumed that Western zoomers with rainbow flags were living a hedonistic lifestyle.

    From what I could see from neighbours, Western bourgeois students with rainbow flags on their windows, seem to be mostly living with a “socially conservative” (i.e. quiet and boring, if tranquil) lifestyle. ​It seems like they don’t even listen to loud music. Perhaps I have been just lucky, but living next to elite Western zoomers, can feel more like you are living in an old persons’ community. And I’ve lived next quite many sets of them, and they are all behaving more like grandparents who go to sleep early.

    I was laughing about this once when there was music in the street, because we were walking home late at night, and a young student was playing music with their window open – and the music was Bach. You know you have well behaved neighbours and live in the right place, when there are peaceful sounds of Bach playing at 1am.

    By comparison, most of the youth in postsoviet countries are having a lot more sex, alcohol, drugs and loud music, on average. And working class zoomers in West also seem that might be having more “normal” youth times as well than the elite – at least, sometimes working class youth in the West look like they are smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol on benches of parks at night.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Dmitry

    Politically libtard, secretly conservative, or politically conservative and secretly libtard.

    The modern dichotomy.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Dmitry

    Every virgin claims to be a player and every player claims to be a Saint.

  85. @AP
    @reiner Tor

    The new “LGBT” are usually “bisexuals” or “gender fluid” people who happen to only indulge in sex with members of their own biological sex. That is, the number of people actually engaging in homosexual acts hasn’t changed much but because LGBT is cool and fashionable and heterosexuality is boring, people have labelled themselves differently.

    There is now something called”demisexuality” as part of the rainbow - people (mostly girls attracted to boys) who are only sexually attracted to those they have an emotional connection to.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-demisexual-demisexuality

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    Those eccentric features of Generation Z were already satirized almost 10 years ago in “21 Jump Street” (2012).*

    I think though, in Europe these trends might have arrived later than in America. I came to Europe in 2015, an I thought I had noticed the LGBT symbolism to flood everywhere in a very elite area around 2017-2018. LGBT flags really flooded with the youth around probably autumn of 2017, if I recall, but it seemed to become more and more ubiquitous into 2019. At first it was just girls with LGBT badges on their bag. By 2019, large rainbow flags on their houses.


    * Even two strapping the bag

  86. It will go away once WWIII comes.

  87. @utu
    OT: Could it be accurate or were they trolled by anti-vaxxers?

    Americans with PhDs are the most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID, study finds
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9893465/Americans-PhDs-reluctant-vaccinated-against-COVID-study-finds.html

    Replies: @Kuru, @Yellowface Anon, @Levtraro

    You literally can’t perceive their rationale.

  88. @Yevardian

    It’s quite stunning. Only 57% of American zoomers identify as totally heterosexual, versus 95% of boomers. There can only be one explanation for such a rapid change in historical time. Genetic explanations of homosexuality are not very convincing as it is (they impose extremely large reproductive costs), but even that aside, there is no way that this could have happened in a couple of generations. Cultural fad is the most succinct explanation.
     
    Most homos become become homos because they were fondled or otherwise had some sort of sexual experience first imposed on them by older homos, such has always been the case. Male sexual preferences are determined in large part but initial foundational experiences.

    Historically, when eunuchs and other varieties of pervert have captured the organs of state, its always led to extremely oppresive and arbitrary government. I'd even greatly prefer a woman run a country than a pervert.

    Replies: @Wency, @Xi-jinping

    Most homos become become homos because they were fondled or otherwise had some sort of sexual experience first imposed on them by older homos, such has always been the case. Male sexual preferences are determined in large part but initial foundational experiences.

    I’ve speculated about this before and it makes sense to me, but most people tend to disagree strongly with me, and to be sure I have little real-world experience in any of this.

    Historically, when eunuchs and other varieties of pervert have captured the organs of state, its always led to extremely oppresive and arbitrary government. I’d even greatly prefer a woman run a country than a pervert.

    I’m curious what specific examples you have in mind.

  89. @YetAnotherAnon
    @songbird

    "Turing is overrated. Basically, a mythic Christ-like (to them) figure of the gay agenda."

    It's very hard to know now just how good he was because of his sacred status. You'd have to find stories / anecdotes from that period between him being a disgusting/sad pervert (pre-1970s) and being an unparalleled genius destroyed by disgusting bigots (post-2000).

    Anyone read The Ultra Secret by Frederick Winterbotham, which first spilled the Bletchley beans in I think 1974?

    Replies: @Wency

    My guess would be that, to a first approximation, every post-WW2 (and possibly earlier) scientist was entirely replaceable. If the “lone genius” in question didn’t do it, someone else would have before long. What mattered was the culture that produced that scientist and drove him to his discoveries.

    And I also tend to agree with those who argue that scientists per se are overrated and that engineers and inventors are more valuable — scientists are mostly either creating post-hoc explanations for useful inventions/discoveries, or exploring domains that have little value to practical inventions. Very seldom are they really laying the groundwork for new practical inventions.

    Speaking of practical inventions, our computer technology has barely advanced, in practical terms, for the past 10 years. So even if Turing advanced our understanding by a decade (highly dubious), that just means we’d have Windows 7 instead of Windows 10 (which is really 9), and PS4 instead of PS5, and iPhone 4 instead of iPhone whatever who cares.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Wency

    Consumer electronics and software say little about the general level of IT tech development. What the big money are on (i.e. the WEF are eyeing) aren't whatever that have been rolled out the last decade.

    , @Pericles
    @Wency

    It would be nice to have a viable successor to CMOS (RIP 2004).

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Wency

    "our computer technology has barely advanced, in practical terms, for the past 10 years"

    Clock speed has stopped for presumably relativistic reasons, an electric pulse can't get very far beyond 4Ghz. I think if I do the sums a pulse at 3GHz can get 1 metre max.

    But hasn't parallel processing in multiple cores kept processing power going ever upwards?

    My desktops from a decade ago and the kid's school laptops scored about 1200 on the cpubenchmark.net site. My current desktops/laptop are about 6000. For $829 you can get a processor that does 46000.

    https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

    Replies: @Wency

  90. @Wency
    @YetAnotherAnon

    My guess would be that, to a first approximation, every post-WW2 (and possibly earlier) scientist was entirely replaceable. If the "lone genius" in question didn't do it, someone else would have before long. What mattered was the culture that produced that scientist and drove him to his discoveries.

    And I also tend to agree with those who argue that scientists per se are overrated and that engineers and inventors are more valuable -- scientists are mostly either creating post-hoc explanations for useful inventions/discoveries, or exploring domains that have little value to practical inventions. Very seldom are they really laying the groundwork for new practical inventions.

    Speaking of practical inventions, our computer technology has barely advanced, in practical terms, for the past 10 years. So even if Turing advanced our understanding by a decade (highly dubious), that just means we'd have Windows 7 instead of Windows 10 (which is really 9), and PS4 instead of PS5, and iPhone 4 instead of iPhone whatever who cares.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon

    Consumer electronics and software say little about the general level of IT tech development. What the big money are on (i.e. the WEF are eyeing) aren’t whatever that have been rolled out the last decade.

  91. @Svevlad
    Interestingly enough, in Serbia the zoomers have never been more reactionary.

    Hopefully we Talibanize in the future and unleash unspeakable terror on the westfags. I would find that entertaining, and hope for great success and slaughter!

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Yellowface Anon

    Talibanize

    Out of the many political Islam models, I think specifically religious (as in *Christian*) successor states of the United States will adopt Taliban (not to the extent of ISIL) tactics against ideological adversaries, then Pakistan-style state-building and settling on institutions on the Iran (if a central ideological authority is still desired) or loosely Pakistan (with much more decentralization) model.

    A123 should have weighed into this but he should also have blocked me, so 🙄

  92. @Caspar von Everec
    Only a God can save us - Martin Heideggar

    Without God, there can be no moral society. I used to be a cringe atheist but i've regained my belief in the almighty after realizing this fact.

    Without God, you can't justify an objective morality. Why do X, Y or Z, if there is no supreme authority and you are just a random configuration of atoms in 4D space?

    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue. Rape, sodomy and bestiality has no meaningful difference than charity, sacrifice and nurture. Its just a random interaction of atoms.

    Your life has no meaning and neither does your death. It just means a re-arrangement of molecules. The lack of God and a divine origin leads to relativisim. And relativism leads to an amoral society.

    A pack of sodomites pretending to be married and having sex with 14 year olds is considered no worse than a loving, loyal heterosexual couple with 3 kids.

    Its not a coincidence that all the great left wing revolutions in the past were based in a rejection of God. The French revolution, the bolshevik revolution, Maoist China...

    A key mistake a lot of normies make when talking about communism and liberalism is that they think that atheism is just a salient feature of these ideologies. They just happen to be atheist. In practice, the rejection of God lies at the very center of their beliefs. For only in a Godless society with no objective sense of reality and morality can their twisted ideology thrive.

    That's how you get the reign of terror, the gulags and the great leap forward. That's how you get drag queen story hour and castration of little children in the name of trangenderism.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Triteleia Laxa, @Svevlad, @showmethereal, @utu, @Levtraro

    Without God, there can be no moral society.

    Evolution has made us moral primates because it has selected for cooperation in our groups.

    Here is a godless definition of morality for you: anything that increases cooperation, is moral.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Levtraro


    務民之義,敬鬼神而遠之。-《論語·雍也》
    Respect ghosts and gods, and be distant to them. - The Analects
     
    and Confucians still builds a functional moral order where the prime fount of morality is "humaneness".

    Replies: @Levtraro

  93. @Levtraro
    @Caspar von Everec


    Without God, there can be no moral society.
     
    Evolution has made us moral primates because it has selected for cooperation in our groups.

    Here is a godless definition of morality for you: anything that increases cooperation, is moral.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    務民之義,敬鬼神而遠之。-《論語·雍也》
    Respect ghosts and gods, and be distant to them. – The Analects

    and Confucians still builds a functional moral order where the prime fount of morality is “humaneness”.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @Yellowface Anon

    Thanks. I need to know more about Confucianism but my grandma's large library doesn't contain anything about Confucius or Confucianism, so I have to go out myself and find some good reads, in physical book format. Any recommendation, my yellow faced commentator?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  94. @Wency
    @YetAnotherAnon

    My guess would be that, to a first approximation, every post-WW2 (and possibly earlier) scientist was entirely replaceable. If the "lone genius" in question didn't do it, someone else would have before long. What mattered was the culture that produced that scientist and drove him to his discoveries.

    And I also tend to agree with those who argue that scientists per se are overrated and that engineers and inventors are more valuable -- scientists are mostly either creating post-hoc explanations for useful inventions/discoveries, or exploring domains that have little value to practical inventions. Very seldom are they really laying the groundwork for new practical inventions.

    Speaking of practical inventions, our computer technology has barely advanced, in practical terms, for the past 10 years. So even if Turing advanced our understanding by a decade (highly dubious), that just means we'd have Windows 7 instead of Windows 10 (which is really 9), and PS4 instead of PS5, and iPhone 4 instead of iPhone whatever who cares.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon

    It would be nice to have a viable successor to CMOS (RIP 2004).

  95. @El Dato
    @Yevardian

    That's his real account.

    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/946866458012684288

    They could penetrate blacks in nonstandard ways?

    Replies: @Pericles

    The Scooby Doo theory of criminology.

  96. @Percival
    The flourishing of alphabet people may be a consequence of modernity (read industrialisation) more than it is a fad, i.e. the accumulation of deleterious mutations + social epistatic amplification + more free time, etc. Then there is the question of the degree to which Christianity and Islam created an immunity against it (an immunity less present in many parts of the Third World/former Third World perhaps?) But then there could be an endless debate over what constitutes real Christian faith, since all but the most traditional adherents in the West have now mostly bent the knee and compromised on many principles in order to please the LGBT crowd.

    I assume when you call it a "fad" that you mean it won't last. The problem is that many phenomena develop rapidly and the "immune" response takes time to come. If much of the former Third World (like China) clamps down on LGBT and sexual deviance in general, are you still going to claim this proves it was a fad? It strikes me the defining feature of a fad is that people lose interest in it, not that there is a positive reaction against it. So maybe "fad" isn't the right term.

    Replies: @Levtraro

    The flourishing of alphabet people may be a consequence of modernity (read industrialisation) more than it is a fad, i.e. the accumulation of deleterious mutations + social epistatic amplification + more free time, etc.

    Yes, there are powerful biological forces at play.

    Like any other successful species, say sardines, earthworms, or bacteria in Petri dishes, the human population worldwide is growing logistically:

    https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/Probabilistic/POP/TOT/900

    In the 60s humans crossed the inflection point meaning that from that point onwards, the growth rate of the growth rate (the 2nd derivative of population size) will be negative. Humans are entering the decelaration phase. This boils down to compensation processes being predominant. Compensation processes are all those processes that slow down population growth.

    In the human species, being the way they are with mass communication, governments, technology and medicine, large cities, etc, one of those processes is the acceptance and even promotion of sexual deviance which translates into less births. In bacteria living in Petri dishes it could be intoxication with waste or lack of resources. In the case of humans is acceptance and promotion of sexual deviance among other things, most likely aided by deleterious mutations as you assert that become more common as population grows.

    Each species finds its own way to compensate and reduce population growth according to the mandates of natural processes. Liberal polities find it easy to promote sexual deviance because it helps them to hide economic conflicts but ultimately they are being guided by the invisible hand of nature.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
  97. @utu
    @Caspar von Everec


    If there is no creator and no objective set of natural law, there is no such thing as sin or virtue.
     
    The point at which materialism falls apart is consciousness and free will. The key to realizing the limits of scientific world view are consciousness and free will. Science is attempting to explain them away as epiphenomena because ideologically the atheistic science can’t allow for their existence because their real existence is outside of science while within the science they are mere epiphenomena.

    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science and the science of reductionism pushed by shortsighted simpletons is trying to explain away consciousness and free will which really is cutting the branch on which it sits.

    All materialists can’t handle consciousness; it is the greatest challenge to their world view. So they must kill it, render it irrelevant, just an illusion, an epiphenomenon that plays no role what so ever in the objective reality. And they say it with a straight face knowing perfectly well that the “I” that is speaking and the “I” that is identifying with what is spoken is the same consciousness that they casted aside as an illusion. So who is really speaking? An automaton that knows the truth? They hear voices in their heads like schizophrenics and listen to them and follow them while at the same time saying the voices are just an epiphenomenon. So why do they listen to the voices – because they have no choice, they have no free will. Materialists are like little children who when caught with a hand in the cookie jar can say with a straight face that the hand is not their hand. It is amazing that they are engaged in building a huge superstructure just to escape the little contradiction they dare not to explore. When I think about it in Christian metaphors it is like a diabolic possession of people who fear God so much that they will do anythin to deny not just his existence but a mere possibility of it.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Levtraro

    The point at which materialism falls apart is consciousness and free will.

    Lol! You don’t know what you’re talking about. There are lots of scientific research into conciousness, self-awareness, and related phenomena.

  98. @utu
    OT: Could it be accurate or were they trolled by anti-vaxxers?

    Americans with PhDs are the most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID, study finds
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9893465/Americans-PhDs-reluctant-vaccinated-against-COVID-study-finds.html

    Replies: @Kuru, @Yellowface Anon, @Levtraro

    You have to bring the subject of COVID vaccines here. You are a one-trick pony.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Levtraro

    Godwin's law, Hack's law, Pajeet's law and now utu's law.

    "Will no one rid the comment section of these meddlesome laws?"

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  99. @Wency
    @YetAnotherAnon

    My guess would be that, to a first approximation, every post-WW2 (and possibly earlier) scientist was entirely replaceable. If the "lone genius" in question didn't do it, someone else would have before long. What mattered was the culture that produced that scientist and drove him to his discoveries.

    And I also tend to agree with those who argue that scientists per se are overrated and that engineers and inventors are more valuable -- scientists are mostly either creating post-hoc explanations for useful inventions/discoveries, or exploring domains that have little value to practical inventions. Very seldom are they really laying the groundwork for new practical inventions.

    Speaking of practical inventions, our computer technology has barely advanced, in practical terms, for the past 10 years. So even if Turing advanced our understanding by a decade (highly dubious), that just means we'd have Windows 7 instead of Windows 10 (which is really 9), and PS4 instead of PS5, and iPhone 4 instead of iPhone whatever who cares.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon

    “our computer technology has barely advanced, in practical terms, for the past 10 years”

    Clock speed has stopped for presumably relativistic reasons, an electric pulse can’t get very far beyond 4Ghz. I think if I do the sums a pulse at 3GHz can get 1 metre max.

    But hasn’t parallel processing in multiple cores kept processing power going ever upwards?

    My desktops from a decade ago and the kid’s school laptops scored about 1200 on the cpubenchmark.net site. My current desktops/laptop are about 6000. For \$829 you can get a processor that does 46000.

    https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

    • Replies: @Wency
    @YetAnotherAnon

    But the reality is that multiple cores don't scale in a way that clock speed scales. That CPU benchmark is looking at optimal conditions, which almost never happen in reality. I'm not an engineer, I don't fully understand to what degree this is because it is difficult/impossible to write software that takes advantage of these CPUs, or because of other bottlenecks. But I think engineers tend to be technophiles who struggle to see the forest for the trees.

    For a while I tried to figure out if anyone had quantified this. Then I found that someone in IT analysis had developed a stat, that the all-around cost-adjusted productivity of computing equipment was improving by about 2%/year starting around 2010, compared to 20-30%/year back when clock speeds were improving, and somewhere in between for the initial years after 1-2 GHz was reached. This feels to me like it corresponds better to reality than stats like CPU benchmarks based on unrealistic optimal conditions.

    There was a tremendous explosion in the improvement of computing technology from basically WW2 to 2010, and by all appearances that's over. It's analogous to the enormous improvements in flight technology during the 66 years from Kitty Hawk to Apollo 11 and the 747, and the only minor incremental improvement in the 52 years since then. 2010 was the new 1970.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  100. @Dmitry
    @Mersaux

    Yes I saw the same kind of thing. Appearances seem to be deceptive, if you assumed that Western zoomers with rainbow flags were living a hedonistic lifestyle.

    From what I could see from neighbours, Western bourgeois students with rainbow flags on their windows, seem to be mostly living with a "socially conservative" (i.e. quiet and boring, if tranquil) lifestyle. ​It seems like they don't even listen to loud music. Perhaps I have been just lucky, but living next to elite Western zoomers, can feel more like you are living in an old persons' community. And I've lived next quite many sets of them, and they are all behaving more like grandparents who go to sleep early.

    I was laughing about this once when there was music in the street, because we were walking home late at night, and a young student was playing music with their window open - and the music was Bach. You know you have well behaved neighbours and live in the right place, when there are peaceful sounds of Bach playing at 1am.

    By comparison, most of the youth in postsoviet countries are having a lot more sex, alcohol, drugs and loud music, on average. And working class zoomers in West also seem that might be having more "normal" youth times as well than the elite - at least, sometimes working class youth in the West look like they are smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol on benches of parks at night.

    Replies: @Svevlad, @Triteleia Laxa

    Politically libtard, secretly conservative, or politically conservative and secretly libtard.

    The modern dichotomy.

  101. @Levtraro
    @utu

    You have to bring the subject of COVID vaccines here. You are a one-trick pony.

    Replies: @iffen

    Godwin’s law, Hack’s law, Pajeet’s law and now utu’s law.

    “Will no one rid the comment section of these meddlesome laws?”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @iffen

    You forgot the most important and widespread law displayed at this blog:


    Iffen's law: Bitch, bitch, bitch...

     
    :-)
  102. @Yellowface Anon
    @Levtraro


    務民之義,敬鬼神而遠之。-《論語·雍也》
    Respect ghosts and gods, and be distant to them. - The Analects
     
    and Confucians still builds a functional moral order where the prime fount of morality is "humaneness".

    Replies: @Levtraro

    Thanks. I need to know more about Confucianism but my grandma’s large library doesn’t contain anything about Confucius or Confucianism, so I have to go out myself and find some good reads, in physical book format. Any recommendation, my yellow faced commentator?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Levtraro

    Nothing in particular, I learnt a lot of Confucian idioms while in high school or from the scattered readings I have. I'm not well-read!

  103. @Levtraro
    @Yellowface Anon

    Thanks. I need to know more about Confucianism but my grandma's large library doesn't contain anything about Confucius or Confucianism, so I have to go out myself and find some good reads, in physical book format. Any recommendation, my yellow faced commentator?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Nothing in particular, I learnt a lot of Confucian idioms while in high school or from the scattered readings I have. I’m not well-read!

  104. Why not get rid of the concept of marriage in law and allow people to live and associate as they please? If two people want to present themselves to a preacher or the plumber to hear that they intend a life long relationship, shouldn’t that be enough for them to claim they are ‘married’?

    The entire homo marriage thing is due to the law giving marriage a special status. Just stop it. Why does one need a marriage license? The entire concept of gov’t involved in how people choose to associate is stupid from the get go.

    Legally making marriage a thing under law leads to discrimination based on marriage. One mistake leads to another.

    Back up and look at the issue of association logically and gov’t should have no input whatsoever in how people choose to live their lives.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @RoatanBill

    The government traditionally backed families because healthy families are the building blocks of healthy societies, and so basically all institutions in such societies (government being only one) point people towards family formation.

    What you describe is the path to liberalism taken to its logical conclusion: a sea of atomized, dissociated, lonely individuals. That growing sea is largely how we got to this point of social breakdown. It's what drives the search for "identity", causes people to wrap the whole of their identity up in sexual perversion.

    It's all well and good to talk about voluntary associations, but family, workplace, and church are the only associations that still remain, and for the vast majority all of them are weaker than they've ever been.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

  105. That Ipsos survey is an internet survey that isn’t very representative though. Young educated urbanites are overrepresented. It even says so in the screenshots, I’d take it with a grain of salt though I agree with you on the overall trend.

  106. Better clues are the pewforum poll and the world values survey, they have much more rigorous sampling, they show similar trends but much less pronounced in third world countries.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/
    https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSDocumentationWV7.jsp

  107. @showmethereal
    @Ana Maria

    Well that is why they should be called "homosexual" and not "gay". Many of them are not happy - which is what the English word "gay" meant.
    but yeah hormones in the environment has to be part of it.... many more people appear to have fertility issues also. Two of my great grandfathers had 12 children... Now almost all the young people in my family have fertility issues.

    Replies: @Escher

    Thanks to the processed junk that they have been eating since childhood.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  108. @reiner Tor

    In the long run, it might not be so relevant, as people more susceptible to such fads will have fewer children.
     
    On the other hand, people more susceptible to such fads might also be the ones more likely to work for the common good. They were probably more Christian when Christianity was the ruling ideology, and so on, but now that the ruling ideology is suicidal, they might be less likely to reproduce. So society might lose those who, under a saner ideology, might be its most useful members.

    Replies: @Dreadilk, @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    Not a big loss. We need team players and not retards.

  109. @Ana Maria
    The amount of young people with an androgynous appearance has skyrocketed in the past 5~6 years, at least in the area where I live (large Latin American metropolis). I increasingly see kids dyeing their hair as well, tons of boys with blue/green or even pink hair walking around.

    Might be a hormonal thing, as the degree of fatness among adolescents has also risen to worrying levels. Their posture has also deteriorated very visibly since I graduated from High School in 2012. The Pandemic has sped up these trends, as the time spent sitting inside and on social media as well as watching porn has exploded.

    It's also fascinating how the profile of the gays in town has changed. They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters. They look depressed are often morbidly obese and greasy, amorphous blobs with an awful fashion sense and absolutely disgusting hair. This corroborates the theory that it's got to do with hormones.

    Replies: @Wyatt, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @showmethereal, @Rahan

    They used to be mostly good-looking hunks with a lot of attitude. Now, most gay or genderless couples look like absolute disasters.

    Same for tatts. Used to be you’d get metalheads and goths trying to be ultra phallic or ultra feminine, with tatts aspiring to be works of art. Now it’s just waddling sacks of crap covered in rudimentary squiggles.

  110. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Wency

    "our computer technology has barely advanced, in practical terms, for the past 10 years"

    Clock speed has stopped for presumably relativistic reasons, an electric pulse can't get very far beyond 4Ghz. I think if I do the sums a pulse at 3GHz can get 1 metre max.

    But hasn't parallel processing in multiple cores kept processing power going ever upwards?

    My desktops from a decade ago and the kid's school laptops scored about 1200 on the cpubenchmark.net site. My current desktops/laptop are about 6000. For $829 you can get a processor that does 46000.

    https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

    Replies: @Wency

    But the reality is that multiple cores don’t scale in a way that clock speed scales. That CPU benchmark is looking at optimal conditions, which almost never happen in reality. I’m not an engineer, I don’t fully understand to what degree this is because it is difficult/impossible to write software that takes advantage of these CPUs, or because of other bottlenecks. But I think engineers tend to be technophiles who struggle to see the forest for the trees.

    For a while I tried to figure out if anyone had quantified this. Then I found that someone in IT analysis had developed a stat, that the all-around cost-adjusted productivity of computing equipment was improving by about 2%/year starting around 2010, compared to 20-30%/year back when clock speeds were improving, and somewhere in between for the initial years after 1-2 GHz was reached. This feels to me like it corresponds better to reality than stats like CPU benchmarks based on unrealistic optimal conditions.

    There was a tremendous explosion in the improvement of computing technology from basically WW2 to 2010, and by all appearances that’s over. It’s analogous to the enormous improvements in flight technology during the 66 years from Kitty Hawk to Apollo 11 and the 747, and the only minor incremental improvement in the 52 years since then. 2010 was the new 1970.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Wency


    difficult to.. takes advantage of these CPUs,
     
    No it's the opposite way around. As the traditional grandmothers' wisdom said, if a ceiling of processing and memory constraints are raised code inefficiency increases to fill in your tolerances. Of code efficiency, processing and memory, of course raising the latter two is usually the cheaper option.

    It's easy to laugh at our code, but the cliche carries us to the original sin of computing, which was the ability to do stupid things very fast, and to become stupider as the price of processing enables you to do it faster. (Therefore, for example, the historical irony of chess programs (e.g. Shannon A programs rejected for Shannon B programs in the 1980s)).

    But this is just an economic parsimony, disguised as computing (in terms of time and space complexity) antiparsimony. In nature we see often the same parsimony disguised as antiparsimony. For example, when a fly is going around your bedroom appearing to use an algorithm with exponential time complexity to find the window. But as Schopenhauer had said underneath it we will find that nature is parsimonious, even in apparent examples of antiparsimony.

  111. @Passer by
    Moreover, on India there are very contradictory polls, that are contrary to your poll.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/web-exclusive/story/20190204-motn-same-sex-marriage-lgbt-rights-section-377-india-1439545-2019-01-25

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/

    Personally i'm sceptical about your India claims.

    I would caution against using a single poll.

    Replies: @Yoyu

    Exactly.

    This isn’t even a poll but an internet survey with little control for representativeness. World Values Survey is a better source and as you say, they show radically different results.

  112. @iffen
    @Levtraro

    Godwin's law, Hack's law, Pajeet's law and now utu's law.

    "Will no one rid the comment section of these meddlesome laws?"

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You forgot the most important and widespread law displayed at this blog:

    Iffen’s law: Bitch, bitch, bitch…

    🙂

    • LOL: iffen
  113. @Dmitry
    @Mersaux

    Yes I saw the same kind of thing. Appearances seem to be deceptive, if you assumed that Western zoomers with rainbow flags were living a hedonistic lifestyle.

    From what I could see from neighbours, Western bourgeois students with rainbow flags on their windows, seem to be mostly living with a "socially conservative" (i.e. quiet and boring, if tranquil) lifestyle. ​It seems like they don't even listen to loud music. Perhaps I have been just lucky, but living next to elite Western zoomers, can feel more like you are living in an old persons' community. And I've lived next quite many sets of them, and they are all behaving more like grandparents who go to sleep early.

    I was laughing about this once when there was music in the street, because we were walking home late at night, and a young student was playing music with their window open - and the music was Bach. You know you have well behaved neighbours and live in the right place, when there are peaceful sounds of Bach playing at 1am.

    By comparison, most of the youth in postsoviet countries are having a lot more sex, alcohol, drugs and loud music, on average. And working class zoomers in West also seem that might be having more "normal" youth times as well than the elite - at least, sometimes working class youth in the West look like they are smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol on benches of parks at night.

    Replies: @Svevlad, @Triteleia Laxa

    Every virgin claims to be a player and every player claims to be a Saint.

  114. If the germ hypothesis of Gregory Cochran about gayness is right, that means very soon the population succeptible to gayness will shrink – it will only take few generations, with the current state support and media promotion.
    So even if it seems wicked and wrong to spread this ideology, it may ironically weed out gayness in the long term. And from another evolutionary point of view, it is also good – it will weed out the more stupid and gullible part of the population.
    So, I reckon at least perhaps some people that answer the polls in favor of gay marriages etc. have this in mind – it is not so bad, our kids will live with less stupid people around them as the gays and people who think are gays will produce no offspring.

  115. @Yevardian

    It’s quite stunning. Only 57% of American zoomers identify as totally heterosexual, versus 95% of boomers. There can only be one explanation for such a rapid change in historical time. Genetic explanations of homosexuality are not very convincing as it is (they impose extremely large reproductive costs), but even that aside, there is no way that this could have happened in a couple of generations. Cultural fad is the most succinct explanation.
     
    Most homos become become homos because they were fondled or otherwise had some sort of sexual experience first imposed on them by older homos, such has always been the case. Male sexual preferences are determined in large part but initial foundational experiences.

    Historically, when eunuchs and other varieties of pervert have captured the organs of state, its always led to extremely oppresive and arbitrary government. I'd even greatly prefer a woman run a country than a pervert.

    Replies: @Wency, @Xi-jinping

    The theory that somehow early sexual abuse creates homos or causes ‘trauma’ seems rather strange to me…how can a child who doesn’t understand the greater implications of what is happening be ‘traumatized’ by it, especially if its not a painful but rather is a pleasant event?

    Rather it seems it becomes a problem in retrospect, after social conditioning gets its hands on them or alternatively when they want to win pity points.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Xi-jinping

    ...

    I honestly can't tell whether you're trolling, or just extremely autistic, even by the standards of anonymous internet forums. Anyway I'm at a loss for a reply.

    , @Kuru
    @Xi-jinping


    how can a child who doesn’t understand the greater implications of what is happening be ‘traumatized’ by it, especially if its not a painful but rather is a pleasant event?
     
    Laws against paedophillia was the original #MeToo trend?
  116. I don’t know why everyone is surprised by this trend. I wrote about it multiple times in comments on this blog. The reason for LGBT spread is very much the same reason for low TFRs. Just like women have been brainwashed by media not to have kids, because they view having kids as ‘not modern’ or ‘not fashionable’, so too do younger generations view ‘being gay/supporting LGBT’ as ‘fashionable’ as that is the predominant media trend and is very much a symptom of US cultural hegemony. This is also why places with strong exposure to US culture will have coincidentally low TFRs and also tend to be the gayest. Adjacent countries will have youth consuming US media because it is viewed as the ‘cool’ thing to do and therefore adopt these views – which accounts for why China is so pro-LGBT – there is a strong western worship contingent amongst the Youth there. Especially given the fact that many Chinese go back and forth between China and Western countries and bring these ideas with them.

    A smart government can reverse this trend by flooding its media spaces with the opposite propaganda.

    The data it seems is only confirming what I said earlier.

  117. @Xi-jinping
    @Yevardian

    The theory that somehow early sexual abuse creates homos or causes 'trauma' seems rather strange to me...how can a child who doesn't understand the greater implications of what is happening be 'traumatized' by it, especially if its not a painful but rather is a pleasant event?

    Rather it seems it becomes a problem in retrospect, after social conditioning gets its hands on them or alternatively when they want to win pity points.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Kuru

    I honestly can’t tell whether you’re trolling, or just extremely autistic, even by the standards of anonymous internet forums. Anyway I’m at a loss for a reply.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  118. @Xi-jinping
    @Yevardian

    The theory that somehow early sexual abuse creates homos or causes 'trauma' seems rather strange to me...how can a child who doesn't understand the greater implications of what is happening be 'traumatized' by it, especially if its not a painful but rather is a pleasant event?

    Rather it seems it becomes a problem in retrospect, after social conditioning gets its hands on them or alternatively when they want to win pity points.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Kuru

    how can a child who doesn’t understand the greater implications of what is happening be ‘traumatized’ by it, especially if its not a painful but rather is a pleasant event?

    Laws against paedophillia was the original #MeToo trend?

  119. @RoatanBill
    Why not get rid of the concept of marriage in law and allow people to live and associate as they please? If two people want to present themselves to a preacher or the plumber to hear that they intend a life long relationship, shouldn't that be enough for them to claim they are 'married'?

    The entire homo marriage thing is due to the law giving marriage a special status. Just stop it. Why does one need a marriage license? The entire concept of gov't involved in how people choose to associate is stupid from the get go.

    Legally making marriage a thing under law leads to discrimination based on marriage. One mistake leads to another.

    Back up and look at the issue of association logically and gov't should have no input whatsoever in how people choose to live their lives.

    Replies: @Wency

    The government traditionally backed families because healthy families are the building blocks of healthy societies, and so basically all institutions in such societies (government being only one) point people towards family formation.

    What you describe is the path to liberalism taken to its logical conclusion: a sea of atomized, dissociated, lonely individuals. That growing sea is largely how we got to this point of social breakdown. It’s what drives the search for “identity”, causes people to wrap the whole of their identity up in sexual perversion.

    It’s all well and good to talk about voluntary associations, but family, workplace, and church are the only associations that still remain, and for the vast majority all of them are weaker than they’ve ever been.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @Wency

    What you describe is the path to liberalism

    I don't think so. What I describe is simple common sense. Why is it that someone needs a license from gov't to get married? Why is it that if they decide to split up, the gov't demands they do it formally with gov't consent and pay for doing what they believe is in their best interests? Why does the gov't provide an income stream for divorce lawyers?

    Licensing is when the government takes a right from you, and sells it back.
    Joe Jarvis


    Gov't should have nothing to do with the private relations between people.

    Gov't and religion are the primary failures of mankind. As they get weaker, people get more independent and more willing to see the idiocy both those institutions represent.

    Throne and alter were twins--two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.
    Robert G. Ingersoll

    Replies: @Levtraro

  120. @Wency
    @RoatanBill

    The government traditionally backed families because healthy families are the building blocks of healthy societies, and so basically all institutions in such societies (government being only one) point people towards family formation.

    What you describe is the path to liberalism taken to its logical conclusion: a sea of atomized, dissociated, lonely individuals. That growing sea is largely how we got to this point of social breakdown. It's what drives the search for "identity", causes people to wrap the whole of their identity up in sexual perversion.

    It's all well and good to talk about voluntary associations, but family, workplace, and church are the only associations that still remain, and for the vast majority all of them are weaker than they've ever been.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

    What you describe is the path to liberalism

    I don’t think so. What I describe is simple common sense. Why is it that someone needs a license from gov’t to get married? Why is it that if they decide to split up, the gov’t demands they do it formally with gov’t consent and pay for doing what they believe is in their best interests? Why does the gov’t provide an income stream for divorce lawyers?

    Licensing is when the government takes a right from you, and sells it back.
    Joe Jarvis

    Gov’t should have nothing to do with the private relations between people.

    Gov’t and religion are the primary failures of mankind. As they get weaker, people get more independent and more willing to see the idiocy both those institutions represent.

    Throne and alter were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.
    Robert G. Ingersoll

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @RoatanBill


    Why is it that someone needs a license from gov’t to get married?
     
    There are good reasons but all of them are because the someone getting married will need another govt license to do something with the spouse.

    Gov’t and religion are the primary failures of mankind
     
    Mankind will grow out of those but it will take some more time. Mankind is about 200 kyrs old and govts have been around for about 6 kyrs (0.3% of the time). Govts have been controlling and harvesting human populations since the start of the period of exponential population growth (~4 kyrs to the present). Humans have now passed the exponential growth period and have entered the asymptotic growth period (the turn happened in the 60s). Great many changes will come in the next few hundred yrs because of the start of the asymptotic growth period. People of the future will be like you, but they will abandon govt first, then later on they will abandon religion.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

  121. @Thomm
    Remember that politics is a circle. What is falsely called 'far right' has a lot of gay socialists in it.

    It is relevant to this thread that what passes for WN today is being rapidly taken over by homosexuals. White Trashionalism is about 40% gay, and women like Rosie and Alden say it is a much higher percentage than that.

    See here for just the latest example, where commenter Truth pressures commenter Trinity to say whether he prefers a white man or a black woman (even the most attractive black woman) as a sexual partner. Trinity just cannot bring himself to say he prefers the female. Their rationale is that race loyalty has to trump sexual orientation, and that producing no baby is better than producing a mulatto baby. See for yourself :

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-black-call-for-separation/#comment-4833223

    This is why virtually no women are found in WN. 55% of white women voted for Trump, but zero are found in WN (aside from the aforementioned septugenarians).

    To keep a running roster, the full list of TUR WN commenters who have said they think that them, as males, having sex with a black woman is worse than having sex with a white man, is below :


    GeneralRimmer
    JohnnySmoggins
    utu
    AndrewR
    RegCaesar
    Svigor
    Mark Tre
    BenKenobi
    neutral
    iffen
    William Badwhite
    Pericles
    Lurker
    Cowtown Rebel
    Trinity
    JMcG


    Greg Johnson's spiritual takeover is succeeding.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dissident

    To keep a running roster, the full list of TUR WN commenters who have said they think that them, as males, having sex with a black woman is worse than having sex with a white man, is below :
    […]
    utu
    […]
    RegCaesar
    iffen
    JMcG

    As for being White Nationalists, I’m certain that Reg and iffen, at least, are not, and nearly certain that utu is not. (While not sure about JMcG, I had never assumed him to be a WN.)

    As for finding the thought or prospect of erotic intimacy with a black woman even worse than said intimacy with a white man, I cannot imagine any of the afore-singled-out four commenters ever seriously/credibly expressing such or revealing such a preference. Nor, I daresay, could anyone with even minimal familiarity with any of said individuals.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Dissident

    Except for the small matter that they all said it openly. I provided a link in my Comment #79 regarding Trinity, and could provide more regarding each member of the list. You should see for yourself. Posing this question to any of them again would yield additional confirmation.

    This is not some big secret, btw. Most people are aware that US White Nationalism (and by extension non-US WNs who spend time on US websites) are heavily homosexual. Everyone from Jack Donovan to Greg Johnson to Alden and Rosie assert that most WNs are gay.

    I still say it is 'just' 40%. Although that percentage figure is rising.

    Here is the list again :

    GeneralRimmer
    JohnnySmoggins
    utu
    AndrewR
    RegCaesar
    Svigor
    Mike Tre
    BenKenobi
    neutral
    iffen
    William Badwhite
    Pericles
    Lurker
    Cowtown Rebel
    Trinity
    JMcG

  122. @Dissident
    @Thomm


    To keep a running roster, the full list of TUR WN commenters who have said they think that them, as males, having sex with a black woman is worse than having sex with a white man, is below :
    [...]
    utu
    [...]
    RegCaesar
    iffen
    JMcG
     
    As for being White Nationalists, I'm certain that Reg and iffen, at least, are not, and nearly certain that utu is not. (While not sure about JMcG, I had never assumed him to be a WN.)

    As for finding the thought or prospect of erotic intimacy with a black woman even worse than said intimacy with a white man, I cannot imagine any of the afore-singled-out four commenters ever seriously/credibly expressing such or revealing such a preference. Nor, I daresay, could anyone with even minimal familiarity with any of said individuals.

    Replies: @Thomm

    Except for the small matter that they all said it openly. I provided a link in my Comment #79 regarding Trinity, and could provide more regarding each member of the list. You should see for yourself. Posing this question to any of them again would yield additional confirmation.

    This is not some big secret, btw. Most people are aware that US White Nationalism (and by extension non-US WNs who spend time on US websites) are heavily homosexual. Everyone from Jack Donovan to Greg Johnson to Alden and Rosie assert that most WNs are gay.

    I still say it is ‘just’ 40%. Although that percentage figure is rising.

    Here is the list again :

    GeneralRimmer
    JohnnySmoggins
    utu
    AndrewR
    RegCaesar
    Svigor
    Mike Tre
    BenKenobi
    neutral
    iffen
    William Badwhite
    Pericles
    Lurker
    Cowtown Rebel
    Trinity
    JMcG

  123. @RoatanBill
    @Wency

    What you describe is the path to liberalism

    I don't think so. What I describe is simple common sense. Why is it that someone needs a license from gov't to get married? Why is it that if they decide to split up, the gov't demands they do it formally with gov't consent and pay for doing what they believe is in their best interests? Why does the gov't provide an income stream for divorce lawyers?

    Licensing is when the government takes a right from you, and sells it back.
    Joe Jarvis


    Gov't should have nothing to do with the private relations between people.

    Gov't and religion are the primary failures of mankind. As they get weaker, people get more independent and more willing to see the idiocy both those institutions represent.

    Throne and alter were twins--two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.
    Robert G. Ingersoll

    Replies: @Levtraro

    Why is it that someone needs a license from gov’t to get married?

    There are good reasons but all of them are because the someone getting married will need another govt license to do something with the spouse.

    Gov’t and religion are the primary failures of mankind

    Mankind will grow out of those but it will take some more time. Mankind is about 200 kyrs old and govts have been around for about 6 kyrs (0.3% of the time). Govts have been controlling and harvesting human populations since the start of the period of exponential population growth (~4 kyrs to the present). Humans have now passed the exponential growth period and have entered the asymptotic growth period (the turn happened in the 60s). Great many changes will come in the next few hundred yrs because of the start of the asymptotic growth period. People of the future will be like you, but they will abandon govt first, then later on they will abandon religion.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @Levtraro

    I assume that anyone who can use the word asymptotic and in the proper context must have STEM training.

    Human population growth is unsustainable, precisely because it has reached an asymptotic curve. The stupid of the world are breeding like rabbits and expect that food will somehow continue to appear in the future. Geologic history tells us that we are at the end of an inter glacial period and the future is cold. All the signs point to the start of an other 100K years of glaciation along with pole shift. Those familiar with Chan Thomas and the CIA's attempt to bury his story via Charles Hapgood's plagiarized version might also know of more dire consequences.

    Recently scientists have stated that the shift from inter glacial to glacial can be as short as 10 years. Solar cycle 25 might encompass the transition.

    Replies: @Levtraro

  124. @Levtraro
    @RoatanBill


    Why is it that someone needs a license from gov’t to get married?
     
    There are good reasons but all of them are because the someone getting married will need another govt license to do something with the spouse.

    Gov’t and religion are the primary failures of mankind
     
    Mankind will grow out of those but it will take some more time. Mankind is about 200 kyrs old and govts have been around for about 6 kyrs (0.3% of the time). Govts have been controlling and harvesting human populations since the start of the period of exponential population growth (~4 kyrs to the present). Humans have now passed the exponential growth period and have entered the asymptotic growth period (the turn happened in the 60s). Great many changes will come in the next few hundred yrs because of the start of the asymptotic growth period. People of the future will be like you, but they will abandon govt first, then later on they will abandon religion.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

    I assume that anyone who can use the word asymptotic and in the proper context must have STEM training.

    Human population growth is unsustainable, precisely because it has reached an asymptotic curve. The stupid of the world are breeding like rabbits and expect that food will somehow continue to appear in the future. Geologic history tells us that we are at the end of an inter glacial period and the future is cold. All the signs point to the start of an other 100K years of glaciation along with pole shift. Those familiar with Chan Thomas and the CIA’s attempt to bury his story via Charles Hapgood’s plagiarized version might also know of more dire consequences.

    Recently scientists have stated that the shift from inter glacial to glacial can be as short as 10 years. Solar cycle 25 might encompass the transition.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @RoatanBill


    I assume that anyone who can use the word asymptotic and in the proper context must have STEM training.
     
    It is a good assumption.

    Human population growth is unsustainable, precisely because it has reached an asymptotic curve.
     
    Or, human population growth have turned asymptotic because the exponential rate was unsustainable.

    The stupid of the world are breeding like rabbits and expect that food will somehow continue to appear in the future.
     
    Different populations (sardines, bacteria in Petri dishes, humans) suffer different constraints that force them to decelerate their growth and in the case of humans, I agree, one of the factors is a decrease in the fertility rate of intelligent humans and an increase in the fertility rate of the others, the net result being less humans surviving to reproductive age and having viable offspring.
  125. @RoatanBill
    @Levtraro

    I assume that anyone who can use the word asymptotic and in the proper context must have STEM training.

    Human population growth is unsustainable, precisely because it has reached an asymptotic curve. The stupid of the world are breeding like rabbits and expect that food will somehow continue to appear in the future. Geologic history tells us that we are at the end of an inter glacial period and the future is cold. All the signs point to the start of an other 100K years of glaciation along with pole shift. Those familiar with Chan Thomas and the CIA's attempt to bury his story via Charles Hapgood's plagiarized version might also know of more dire consequences.

    Recently scientists have stated that the shift from inter glacial to glacial can be as short as 10 years. Solar cycle 25 might encompass the transition.

    Replies: @Levtraro

    I assume that anyone who can use the word asymptotic and in the proper context must have STEM training.

    It is a good assumption.

    Human population growth is unsustainable, precisely because it has reached an asymptotic curve.

    Or, human population growth have turned asymptotic because the exponential rate was unsustainable.

    The stupid of the world are breeding like rabbits and expect that food will somehow continue to appear in the future.

    Different populations (sardines, bacteria in Petri dishes, humans) suffer different constraints that force them to decelerate their growth and in the case of humans, I agree, one of the factors is a decrease in the fertility rate of intelligent humans and an increase in the fertility rate of the others, the net result being less humans surviving to reproductive age and having viable offspring.

  126. @reiner Tor

    In the long run, it might not be so relevant, as people more susceptible to such fads will have fewer children.
     
    On the other hand, people more susceptible to such fads might also be the ones more likely to work for the common good. They were probably more Christian when Christianity was the ruling ideology, and so on, but now that the ruling ideology is suicidal, they might be less likely to reproduce. So society might lose those who, under a saner ideology, might be its most useful members.

    Replies: @Dreadilk, @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    I don’t think the extremely fad obsessed were ever the drivers of society. The crowds pacified by the spectacles of the colloseum weren’t the garrisons that maintained the empire.

  127. @Wency
    @YetAnotherAnon

    But the reality is that multiple cores don't scale in a way that clock speed scales. That CPU benchmark is looking at optimal conditions, which almost never happen in reality. I'm not an engineer, I don't fully understand to what degree this is because it is difficult/impossible to write software that takes advantage of these CPUs, or because of other bottlenecks. But I think engineers tend to be technophiles who struggle to see the forest for the trees.

    For a while I tried to figure out if anyone had quantified this. Then I found that someone in IT analysis had developed a stat, that the all-around cost-adjusted productivity of computing equipment was improving by about 2%/year starting around 2010, compared to 20-30%/year back when clock speeds were improving, and somewhere in between for the initial years after 1-2 GHz was reached. This feels to me like it corresponds better to reality than stats like CPU benchmarks based on unrealistic optimal conditions.

    There was a tremendous explosion in the improvement of computing technology from basically WW2 to 2010, and by all appearances that's over. It's analogous to the enormous improvements in flight technology during the 66 years from Kitty Hawk to Apollo 11 and the 747, and the only minor incremental improvement in the 52 years since then. 2010 was the new 1970.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    difficult to.. takes advantage of these CPUs,

    No it’s the opposite way around. As the traditional grandmothers’ wisdom said, if a ceiling of processing and memory constraints are raised code inefficiency increases to fill in your tolerances. Of code efficiency, processing and memory, of course raising the latter two is usually the cheaper option.

    It’s easy to laugh at our code, but the cliche carries us to the original sin of computing, which was the ability to do stupid things very fast, and to become stupider as the price of processing enables you to do it faster. (Therefore, for example, the historical irony of chess programs (e.g. Shannon A programs rejected for Shannon B programs in the 1980s)).

    But this is just an economic parsimony, disguised as computing (in terms of time and space complexity) antiparsimony. In nature we see often the same parsimony disguised as antiparsimony. For example, when a fly is going around your bedroom appearing to use an algorithm with exponential time complexity to find the window. But as Schopenhauer had said underneath it we will find that nature is parsimonious, even in apparent examples of antiparsimony.

  128. @Observator
    As that master of human relations Woody Alan said of bisexuality, anything that doubles your chance of scoring can't be all bad. We’re supposed to hate gays today, because a tribe of Middle Eastern Bronze Age barbarian goatherds hated them? All they cared about was reproducing as much as possible to make warriors to fight other barbarians for grazing rights in the desert. When Christians carried this crackpot idea into the classical world, cultured Romans thought it hilarious, saying that their screwball god-man did not cut a very impressive figure, being so unnaturally fixated on what people did with their private parts.

    Replies: @Dissident

    We’re supposed to hate gays today,

    The normalization, promotion and celebration of objectively unwholesome voluntary behaviors; the duplicitous conflation of these with involuntary feelings; the creation of a weaponized identity that reduces those who embrace it to mere slaves of their animal lusts, while sacralizing and conferring upon them protected, eternal victim status; and the insidious indoctrination, recruitment and conditioning of impressionable, conflicted often confused youth into such depravities. Those, overwhelmingly, are what people object to and oppose. Very few people today (and practically zero who are anywhere near holding any position of power) would condone persecution of individuals merely for having homoerotic proclivities, or policing what consenting adults do with each other in the privacy of their home.

    cultured Romans thought it hilarious,

    What about the ones who found it peachy-keen to rape child slaves, or to entertain the masses by feeding Christians to Lions? Were those the cultured Romans or the uncultured ones? I always forget.

  129. @Old Brown Fool
    @reiner Tor

    A lot of sexual orientation is received; if the society ignores or even positively encourages homosexuality, it will be widely practiced. Only very few, a few percentage points, are thoroughly homosexuals; the rest are comfortable with either sex. And I wonder if there is a positive correlation between male homosexuality and age, because availability is also big factor, and old people may find it easier to get a young homosexual than a young partner of opposite sex.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Only very few, a few percentage points, are thoroughly homosexuals;

    Of that much, at least, there would not appear to be much doubt. The number of individuals with exclusive same-sex erotic attractions and preferences would indeed appear to never have been more than a small minority of the population.

    the rest are comfortable with either sex.

    That would seem, at best, a rather wild overstatement. One hardly, if at all, more credible than denying that individuals with bisexual proclivities exist at all.

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    And I wonder if there is a positive correlation between male homosexuality and age,

    There clearly are certain critical correlations and distinctions in this area with regard to the respective ages of the individuals. For one, there would seem to be pretty compelling evidence that various forms of erotic exploration and activity among early adolescent boys has not been uncommon across at least many cultures and eras.(Numerous sources that could be cited include but are not limited-to Ellis; Kinsey; and an overwhelming number of anecdotal accounts from countless, extremely diverse sources.) Such activity can include anything from engaging in self-stimulatory behaviors merely in the presence of each other (perhaps most common, and easily the most innocuous of the possibilities), to (the hideous act of) buggery at the other (perhaps the least common, and easily the least innocuous). Between those two extremes, of course, are found any number of other distinct and unique means of experiencing carnal erotic intimacy.

    The evidence appears pretty compelling, moreover, that of the total number of males who engage in such behavior at some point prior to the close of their adolescence, the vast majority grow-up to be at least overwhelmingly and even exclusively heterosexual— in their desires and preferences, their behavior, and their identity.

    Additionally, there is rather strong evidence that for adult males, (a) an erotic interest in adolescent males (primarily somewhere within the 12-17 age range) is far more common than one in fellow fully-adult males, and (b) the former is far more likely than the latter to be present in addition-to a more-or-less normal heterosexual interest in females. Just how common is such a hebephilic or ephebophilic homoerotic interest among adult males? Surely, that would be impossible to determine as long as said interest (even as nothing more than a mere attraction that is never acted-upon) remains as stigmatized, condemned and taboo as it presently does in nearly all societies.

    My own theory on the matter is that many or even most men have within them at least a latent or dormant capacity to find a decidedly, even exquisitely erotic appeal in boys at this unique, transitory stage of development. In the healthy, well-adjusted man, however, any such feelings will normally be eclipsed by the default interest in women that is present. And for that and other reasons, under normal conditions, any erotic interest in boys will generally not manifest itself beyond, at most, a passing fancy. Additionally, the strong social and legal taboos surrounding any interest of any intensity in this area (even if not overtly or consciously erotic) that unquestionably act as a strong deterrent to behavior, may also serve to stifle and suppress even mere thought and feelings.

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