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I am about to publish an extremely large post, so use this Open Thread for non-related commentary.

I have watched more movies these past two weeks than in the entire year before combined. Friday before last, I went to the premiere of Кино как Молитва (Cinema Prayer), which was directed by Tarkovsky Junior. I like the original Tarkovsky’s films, but I am not enough of a fan to find a 2 hour bio very interesting. So 2/5. That said, I was struck by just how deeply spiritual Tarkovsky was, which was well beyond even what he hinted at in his films. I am still surprised the USSR allowed Stalker to be screened. I then watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood the following day. It’s an obvious love letter to Tarantino’s youth and social milieu; which doesn’t interest me, but as master of dialog, still very watchable. So 3/5. I concur with other people’s observation, which incidentally both Steve Sailer and Egor Kholmogorov have made, that Tarantino might be becoming a bit of a reactionary in old age.

I was doing some spring cleaning on my many hundreds of bookmarks in Google Maps, removing less interesting pins from places that I’m unlikely to live in again (e.g. California). Irrational as it is, I was sad to see the closure of old haunts. One of my favorite (caffeine) watering holes in Berkeley – the Caffe Mediterraneum – closed down, apparently quite a while ago. They claim to have invented cafe latte (perhaps appropriately, I see it has been replaced by a cannabis dispensary). Spasso Cafe and Octopus Literary Salon – nodes of futurist discussions in the East Bay – also shut down. Mission Heirloom, a paleo/keto place that did Bulletproof Coffee, gone. Mandarin Garden (second best Chinese Berkeley restaurant after Great China) – gone. Biryani House. Thalassa, where you could play pool with cheap booze (though TBF I think it closed down shortly before I left anyway). And of course a whole bunch of cafes. Still, a good majority of the best places survive.

 
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  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. Tusk says:

    Stalker is pure kino. It is a pity that much of the footage was destroyed, and also that Tarkovsky died prematurely.

    • Agree: Swedish Family
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  3. So long Drudge and Hello Gab Trends?

  4. Deep State pulling the plug on Trump?

    Associating him with JFK?

    Also notice: the media no longer refers to it as “impeachment”. It’s simply a “vote to remove him from office”.

    Do NOT fuck with the Deep State-CIA-MIC-Zionist complex, apparently. Wasn’t until the Syria pullout happened that the freakout started in earnest. Even the border wall being rammed through didn’t cause this many problems.

    • Replies: @utu
  5. AP says:

    Apparently for the first time ever Russians have a more positive view of Ukraine, than Ukrainians have of Russia. Russians really love that Ukrainians voted for Ze. Also, the improvement of Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia has stalled:

    http://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=ukr&cat=reports&id=899&page=1

  6. utu says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Trump could respond with Lee Hillary Oswald meme.

  7. @AP

    Our patience and suffering on behalf of our prodigal kinfolk is truly Christ-like.

  8. Karlin knows a lot of things, but cinema appreciation is not his strong suit.

    https://akarlin.com/films/

    The Karlin movie ratings are truly incredible and not in a good way. And he watches too much crap. Watching one EXPENDABLES would be bad enough. But two? CLIFFHANGER gets 5 stars? A.I. gets a mere two? AMERICAN PIE is a fiver? HARRY POTTER junk get 4 stars? No, no.

    Some primer on what films to watch.

    https://clickbaitcentral.blogspot.com/2018/02/greatest-films-of-1950s.html

    https://clickbaitcentral.blogspot.com/2018/02/25-greatest-films-of-1960s.html

    https://clickbaitcentral.blogspot.com/2018/02/greatest-films-of-1970s.html

    https://clickbaitcentral.blogspot.com/2018/02/greatest-films-of-1980s.html

    https://clickbaitcentral.blogspot.com/2018/02/greatest-films-of-1990s.html

    https://clickbaitcentral.blogspot.com/2018/02/platinum-list-a.html

  9. nickels says:

    I worked thru Stalker start to finish as my first big Russian (language) project.
    Several references to the gospels and many kernels of Orthodox thought.
    I love the whole dreary and stark, yet redeeming feel to the film.

  10. Asia set to eclipse the US as the world’s venture capital powerhouse

    Asia’s population is 5 billion, the US has 330 million, so still amazing this has not happened yet. Nevertheless, as late as 2012, the US was ahead by four times (220 billion to 55 billion). By late 2020, Asia is going to surpass the US. A lot of it is driven by China but India and Southeast Asia are also increasingly pulling their weight.

    One of the big dysfunctions of the world economy is that global savings are misallocated. It is exceedingly difficult for someone in Europe, say, to invest in these companies. The VC sector in of itself should be democratised. There’s a place for high-risk, high-reward investments being opened up to a broader range than a narrow set of VC players. Usually by the time these companies go public, if they do, most of the potential gains have already been realised by the early investors. There have been positive developments in Sweden to open up the sector for early-stage capital investments, but this quickly falls off outside the borders.

    We still have a lot of international barriers on capitals flows, most of which is resulting from rent-seeking from those already on the inside.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @iffen
  11. Ideafix says:

    They say Tarkovskyi died because of shooting Stalker. Too many aggressive chemicals at the abandoned factory the movie was shot at. Also he near-abused Strougatskiye brothers with his scriptwriting demands. Which they didn’t mind as they were in awe of his genius, according to Arcadyi.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  12. Pericles says:
    @Priss Factor

    A.I. gets a mere two?

    It was painfully obvious where the Kubrick part ended (4/5) and the terrible Spielberg part began (1/5). I think 2/5 is a reasonable verdict.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  13. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Electing Ze has made things better. But what comes after Ze? End of the alphabet, Ukrainians have reached the end of the road in more than one way…

    I know, you will say the cafes in Lviv are great and Donbas can go. But have you guys thought any of this through? Ukraine will not be in EU and it will not defeat Russia in a war. It is simply geography and numbers. Eventually they will try to make up with Russia and be friends again, so why piss on each other in the meantime?

  14. Pericles says:
    @Thulean Friend

    It is exceedingly difficult for someone in Europe, say, to invest in these companies. The VC sector in of itself should be democratised. There’s a place for high-risk, high-reward investments being opened up to a broader range than a narrow set of VC players.

    One should, however, note that even in the US, the VC industry as a whole is not a great class of investments. You basically need to invest with the very top firms to get a somewhat reliable good outcome.

    There have been positive developments in Sweden to open up the sector for early-stage capital investments, but this quickly falls off outside the borders.

    As far as I’m aware, Sweden has no restriction on investors being ‘qualified’ or anything like that so it’s actually pretty easy. You just have to get in touch with the people doing ‘private placements’ and send in a suitable amount of your sweet cash in exchange for some untradeable stock. I have done this, and I have subsequently lost my stake. If nothing else, your bank can probably get you started on this rocky road.

    There is even an official stock market, the Nordic Growth Market (http://www.ngm.se/?lang=en) for companies that appear just a step or two above the ones I mention above. At least then you can try to sell your stake when things get gruesome. Though I should say I consider being listed on NGM as a signal that one should stay away.

    Another complication is that entrepreneurs usually don’t want thousands of tiny, naive investors who nevertheless demand that their voices be heard. At the investor end, the financial outcomes may be difficult to manage for a retail investor even when things turn out well. (For example, the company you invested in gets acquired by an Israeli competitor for a tidy sum … and you get a lump of unlisted Israeli stock as your reward.)

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  15. One of my favorite (caffeine) watering holes in Berkeley – the Caffe Mediterraneum – closed down, apparently quite a while ago.

    The more popular caffè strada still exists, at the corner of Bancroft Way and College Avenue; outdoor seating beneath trees is more pleasant anyway in warm weather, despite motor vehicle noise.

    Telegraph Avenue just ain’t what it used to be; Cody’s Books closed down many years before your café, but at least Amoeba Music is still there.

  16. @Beckow

    Beckow you’re starting to sound like The Saker

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Denis
  17. AP says:
    @Beckow

    I know, you will say the cafes in Lviv are great and Donbas can go. But have you guys thought any of this through?

    There is significant economic expansion all over western and central Ukraine, not only Lviv. It will make its way to the East eventually, too.

    Limitation of trade with Russia has a negative effect but Ukraine’s economy grows, and Ukrainian incomes rise, steadily without it.

    GDP PPP per capita is highest it has been:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=UA

    Even nominal, constant is higher in those areas under Kiev than it has ever been (subtract about 10% from pre-2014 to account for the loss of Donbas, which had 10% of the population but 20% of the economy – so even the pre-2014 peak, which occurred under Yushchenko in 2008, is lower):

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD?locations=UA

    Ukrainian tourists visiting Turkey are now a record: 1.5 million. It was 600,000 in 2013, Cheap Turkish resorts are not (yet) cheap Spanish or Greek ones, but widespread improvement is obvious.

    Ukraine will not be in EU and it will not defeat Russia in a war.

    Austria, Finland and Sweden joined EU in 1995. Presumably they had good and close trade relationships and good economies prior to becoming formal members.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  18. @Beckow

    Eventually they will try to make up with Russia and be friends again, so why piss on each other in the meantime?

    Because ‘AP’ et al., are not Ukrainians, don’t live in Ukraine, and couldn’t give less of a shit what happens to that blighted land.

    – Ever yours, Captain Obvious.

    • Agree: WHAT
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  19. Mr. Hack says:
    @anonymous coward

    And you are? You’ve convinced yourself that you care about Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  20. @Mr. Hack

    Russians care more about Ukraine than anybody else. We even make the best Ukraine cosplayers (see the demographics of Azov).

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @iffen
  21. WHAT says:

    I find it weird that Anatoly ignores Putin`s recent comments on the need to build more schools, considering his interest in demographics.

    Also lold at AP`s usual boilerplate about glorious jewkraine rising up from the knees while zhid president is partitioning land on IMF orders(manufacturing is already gone and whores are all exported, what else is there to do, right?). Selyuk will selyuk until it is the day of the ovrag, unless it manages to run away to leech from someplace else.

  22. AP says:
    @anonymous coward

    1 out of three of your statements is correct. Congratulations, a record for accuracy for you.

  23. Dmitry says:

    It’s in all the news, but an unpleasant crime, last week.

    Young single mother wanted to sell her car so she posted an advert on the internet (she wanted the money to buy an apartment).

    https://vk.com/id163354073?z=photo163354073_456241154%2Fwall163354073_278

    So she posted advertisement on the internet on this website https://ekaterinburg.drom.ru .
    Two days after she posts the advertisement, people on the internet board answer her advertisement and say “oh we want to buy your car”.

    When female buyer meets her in the centre of the city, they say “can we just check if the automobile is in good condition at the garage”, so they ask her to drive to this quiet road in the North of the city.

    https://www.google.ru/maps/@56.9128591,60.5946626,3a,75y,327.3h,87.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siUz6OobnErSTV8BbTzkSAA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DiUz6OobnErSTV8BbTzkSAA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D94.49252%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

    Then when she arrives at that quiet road, churki killed her with a knife, and put her body in a sewage pipe.

    After, they drive the car to another city and sold her car there. (New buyers later discovered blood in the car and alert the authorities).

  24. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Two days after she posts the advertisement,

    Mistake in my comment here – she posted her advert differently a few times, including in September (like in the picture) and June. But it was two days after she last updates her advert that she was killed.

    Her June advert is still here

    https://auto.ru/cars/used/sale/audi/q5/1089414818-36902a63/?from=e1.ru&geo_id=54

    Creepy thing about zombie nature of the internet is that – news websites’ still automatically promoting adverts of her car after she is killed for it, when they have articles about the crime in the same website.

  25. @Dmitry

    Urge to pogrom intensifying.

  26. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    Extremely heinous crime, but it is news with zero information value. People are killed every day in any major country. To draw any conclusions – need to look at the statistics

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  27. @Priss Factor

    The ending as not tagged on by Spiel. That was Kubrick.

  28. @Pericles

    Thank you for a high quality comment. It is a perfect illustration of how the collective IQ rises massively in any other topic than climate change in this place.

    I agree with you that the VC business is high-risk, high-reward, but we live in a world of negative real rates on virtually all bonds or deposits (previously thought to be safe assets). I’ve been talking to my bank about what I do with my non-trivial lump sum I have in my bank account, which is just rotting away as I type this. I am looking to save at least some for a future purchase of an apartment, so I need to set aside some for a down payment. Nevertheless, I asked them basically if there’s a storage method which at least runs even with inflation, because I don’t know I’ll find said apartment I am interested in. 10 years ago you could just buy government bonds but that is out of the window.

    Naturally, the bank tried to push me into their managed funds, which is uninteresting as it is just a managed scam. There’s a cottage industry here in Sweden of private lenders promising higher returns. Brocc and Lendify are both pursuing this strategy.

    I am looking at higher risk strategies for a much shaller share (<10%) of my capital and private VC funding would be an option, but I'd prefer to invest in companies like Graphcore rather than some unknown small firms.

    Another complication is that entrepreneurs usually don’t want thousands of tiny, naive investors who nevertheless demand that their voices be heard. At the investor end, the financial outcomes may be difficult to manage for a retail investor even when things turn out well. (For example, the company you invested in gets acquired by an Israeli competitor for a tidy sum … and you get a lump of unlisted Israeli stock as your reward.)

    All of this true and all good points, but I ultimately think they are solvable if there’s the political will. For the first, you could raise the floor and set some statue of limitations of what a smaller investor can and cannot demand. On the second, new taxation laws would have to be co-ordinated globally, or at least bilaterally between the most common VC source countries to speed things up.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  29. @Dmitry

    Tragic. Yet Churkis aren’t going anywhere.

  30. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    They mostly “care more about Ukraine” as a Russified sub-colony that exhibits no signs of independence or any other attributes of nationhood (or statehood). “Some nice songs, and a good place to eat salo & drink horilka”. You cannot continue shunting Ukraine into your 19rth century worldview, Ukraine will not reemrge as the Little Russia of your unimaginative dreams.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    , @Denis
  31. @AP

    Apparently for the first time ever Russians have a more positive view of Ukraine, than Ukrainians have of Russia. Russians really love that Ukrainians voted for Ze. Also, the improvement of Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia has stalled:

    I made this point some other time this chart was updated, but I might as well repeat it.

    Look at the sharp fall, and then rise, in positive Russian attitudes between 2008 and 2010 (from 55% down to 29%, then up to 70%). Does this look like organic change to you? Clearly, much of it is merely popular opinion following the swings of the official narrative.

    • Agree: AP
  32. @Ideafix

    They say Tarkovskyi died because of shooting Stalker. Too many aggressive chemicals at the abandoned factory the movie was shot at. Also he near-abused Strougatskiye brothers with his scriptwriting demands. Which they didn’t mind as they were in awe of his genius, according to Arcadyi.

    Speaking of Roadside Picnic, have you seen Balabanov’s last film, Me Too (Я тоже хочу, 2012), based on the same book? I always thought it an odd film to shoot given the status of Stalker.

  33. @Thulean Friend

    Tragic. Yet Churkis aren’t going anywhere.

    I don’t need to remind you of this, but these kinds of surveys are plagued by heavy social-desirability bias. Or at least in Western Europe they are.

  34. @Mr. Hack

    Pop quiz: which of the four ‘Ukrainian nations’ are you talking about here?

    The one that was part of Austria-Hungary until 1945, the one that was a Polish colony, the one that was populated by Greeks and Serbs after taking clay away from the Turks, or the one that was left behind after the Mongols were chased out of Kiev?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  35. melanf says:
    @Thulean Friend

    A positive view of Muslims is more common in Western Europe and Russia

    For Russia, this (76% – a positive view of Islam) is clearly an absurd result. The attitude of the majority of the population of Russia to traditional Islam is sharply negative.Perhaps in question mixed attitude to traditional Islam and attitude to the Tatars and Bashkirs.

  36. Pericles says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Thank you for a high quality comment. It is a perfect illustration of how the collective IQ rises massively in any other topic than climate change in this place.

    Lol, it’s better to let sleeping dogs lie you know.

    While I’m not an investment advisor and this is not investment advice but merely provided for entertainment purposes, I think it’s wise in your situation to stay away from unlisted stocks. Apart from the high risk, you should expect to wait 5-10 years to exit even the survivors. And in the meantime they are likely to come back for more money, etc etc. Better to invest in something liquid. For alternatives to the Swedish banks, have a look at Avanza and friends.

    For the first, you could raise the floor and set some statue of limitations of what a smaller investor can and cannot demand.

    Well, as a stock holder you have your statutory rights. But apart from that, it’s also something of a pain for the company to manage a large number of private investors. This is not a killer problem but I get the impression that companies often try to avoid this situation. (Perhaps excepting friends and families.)

    On the second, new taxation laws would have to be co-ordinated globally, or at least bilaterally between the most common VC source countries to speed things up.

    Buying a company using your own stock is a perfectly ordinary way to acquire a company, you know, and I think everyone considers things to work fairly well at the moment. It’s just that the details can get messy for the inexperienced investor such as you and I.

    Reminder: if your unlisted stock in the example gets acquired by the Israelis, you will usually want to ask Skatteverket (our IRS) for special treatment to delay paying taxes on the sale, at least until you can sell your Israeli stock.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  37. Pericles says:

    Since our host has asked for help on Twitter about how to convert mp3 to mp4, try the following intuitive Terminal command, replacing filenames appropriately:

    ffmpeg -loop 1 -i image.jpg -i audio.mp3 -c:a copy -c:v libx264 -shortest out.mp4

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25381086/convert-mp3-video-with-static-image-ffmpeg-libav-bash

    Before that, first install Homebrew (https://brew.sh/), then do ‘brew install ffmpeg’ and make yourself a cup of coffee … If you have a Mac that is. The rest of you are on your own.

  38. Beckow says:
    @AP

    …Austria, Finland and Sweden joined EU in 1995. Presumably they had good and close trade relationships and good economies prior to becoming formal members.

    Ukraine is not Austria and it is no longer 1995. Or even 2005. Ukraine would be a net receiver of aid inside EU, a large country that would have to subsidised, almost as bad as Turkey. Neither Ukraine nor Turkey will be in EU.

    But you stubbornly refuse to think through the obvious consequences of the two immutable realities: Ukraine will not be in EU, and Ukraine can’t win a war against Russia. That leaves Ukraine as a borderland used by others for their own purposes – like most of Ukraine’s history. It periodically depopulates, and then repopulates as things get better. In 25 years Ukraine is already down at least 10 million people, 20%. How is that for a victory?

    • Agree: Denis
    • Replies: @AP
  39. Mr. Hack says:
    @anonymous coward

    Why, I’m talking about these Ukrainians, of course:

    Are you still fixated about those that were around after the Mongols decimated Kyiv in 1204? No wonder everything you write about Ukraine, well…sounds so neanderthal like.

  40. songbird says:
    @Priss Factor

    Assorted comments on our host’s tastes:

    Dr. No was the one with the rubber snake.

    He only gave Conan the Barbarian 3 stars?! Maybe, he watched Conan the Destroyer twice, without seeing the first film? Or saw the 2011 remake? Fun fact: if you ever watch the DVD, I believe on the extras, they show the dogs catching Schwarzenegger and biting him.

    I am really surprised he enjoyed the sequels to the Matrix so much.

    28 Days Later is partly a ripoff of Day of the Triffids. I am referring to the book, of course.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  41. Dmitry says:
    @melanf

    Media distort a bit people’s perception of what types of crime are frequent, because there is a dynamic where media only reports the more interesting and exceptional crimes (which is to say, the types of crime which are relatively uncommon).

    E.g. Many people believe that murders or rapes of women are from strangers, when they are outside. But statistically, most such crimes are from people you know, and happen at home. Just in the latter case, it is more common, so less interesting for the media to report.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  42. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    It’s very “multinational” killers.

    One of the killers is a Russian woman who works as manicurist. This is the woman who phoned the victim first to buy the Audi and met her in the city centre (before they asked her if they could check the car at a garage in the edge of Uralmash – they made her drive up to a quiet area).

    One killer is her gypsy boyfriend from Kopeysk

    One killer is Tatar from Chelyabinsk, who drove all summer in Ekaterinburg for yandex taxi

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @EldnahYm
  43. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Ukraine is not Austria and it is no longer 1995. Or even 2005. Ukraine would be a net receiver of aid inside EU, a large country that would have to subsidised, almost as bad as Turkey. Neither Ukraine nor Turkey will be in EU.

    Ukraine would not join the EU for at least 20 years, until it gets its act together. Nobody doubts that.

    The point is that countries with close links to the EU and non-smooth links with their eastern neighbors (Finland, Austria during the Cold War) prospered without being formal members of the EU. Ukraine has now seen consistent economic growth, and the parts of Ukraine ruled from Kiev are now collectively more prosperous than they have been since independence (admittedly, this is not saying much).

    Not you (I think), but in 2014 others were predicting total collapse in 2015, then 2016, then for sure by 2017.

    But you stubbornly refuse to think through the obvious consequences of the two immutable realities: Ukraine will not be in EU, and Ukraine can’t win a war against Russia.

    Ukraine can eventually be in EU, or whatever organization to its west that may replace it in 20 years, and Ukraine is too big for Russia to invade and occupy (sorry, Russia is run by fairly reasonable, responsible people, not internet warriors).

    That leaves Ukraine as a borderland used by others for their own purposes – like most of Ukraine’s history.

    Your wish would make Ukraine Russia’s borderland rather than the West’s borderland.

    I suppose this is what drives your attitude. You wish that Slovakia could border Russia. The closest thing to restoring the Soviet system that you miss so badly.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  44. I am sure you all remember our host’s favorite neoliberal “Sailor Haumea”.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-80/

    He/she/zir/xir is still here, in the Twitter zoo, and is very hard core now, trying hard to get Antifa stop punching Nazis and start killing them.

    How does Haumea look like IRL , in your opinion?

    This

    or this?

    • Replies: @Tusk
  45. @Dmitry

    If the killers are all Russian citizens, what’s there to say about this crime though (apart from calling for the harshest punishments)? How could this crime have been prevented by different policies?
    Selling/buying cars in secluded areas or letting potential buyers into your house might be a bad idea anyway, I can think of at least 3-4 murder cases in Germany which were vaguely similar in some aspects. Such things can potentially happen anywhere.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  46. Tusk says:
    @another anon

    I’ve never seen a spook agitate very much, usually they’re trying to bond and convince people quite subtly to do things or lean certain ways, whereas fat retard loners are the ones who are filled with frustration at being useless and want others do do the things they will never do.

  47. Gerard2 says:
    @Dmitry

    Disgusting crime – happened at the beginning of the month. Extremely beautiful women also.

    One of the men involved was supposed to have been a normal guy – not involved in any trouble before, one women was involved – her concocting a story about being heavily pregnant was the trick for getting the young lady to travel over there instead of them to Ekaterinburg. Sickening.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  48. Yevardian says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Imao Britain at 78% favourable? I simply can’t believe that, something must be wrong with the polling methodology.

    • Agree: melanf
  49. @Pericles

    The ending of AI was not devised by Spielberg. It was in the original script he got from Kubrick.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  50. @Tusk

    Tarkovsky died prematurely

    He died too early, but he fulfilled his mission as an artist with ANDREI RUBLEV and STALKER. He made two films after STALKER and, though admirable, didn’t add more to his vision.

    It’s like David Lynch’s reputation is secure with ERASERHEAD and MULHOLLAND DR(though others will mention BLUE VELVET). He doesn’t have to do anything more.

    • Agree: Tusk
  51. Dmitry says:
    @Gerard2

    They killed her on night of 10th of October. But it is not known what happens to her until the 14th of October.

    Her friends were publicizing searches in between when she was absent and the story became big

    https://m.vk.com/poproriw?z=photo-155601607_457240885%2Falbum-155601607_00%2Frev

    Posted by Olenka Venediktova on Friday, 11 October 2019

    for getting the young lady to travel over there instead of them to Ekaterinburg. Sickening.

    They tricked her to drive out, but not far – only to Uralmash, and then the edge of Uralmash, where there was a quiet street to kill her.

    This is where they kill her https://www.google.ru/maps/@56.9128591,60.5946626,3a,75y,327.3h,87.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siUz6OobnErSTV8BbTzkSAA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DiUz6OobnErSTV8BbTzkSAA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D94.49252%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

  52. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Sure, there is nothing political to the story.

    It is just a creepy story – especially now the adverts she posted to sell her Audi are still displaying in a zombie way under the news sites reporting how she was killed as a result of posting those adverts.

  53. Denis says:
    @Korenchkin

    What was Saker-like about that statement?

    It seemed like a pretty reasonable observation.

    • Replies: @AP
  54. Denis says:
    @Mr. Hack

    They mostly “care more about Ukraine” as a Russified sub-colony

    A massive chunk of Ukraine was settled by the Russian empire, having been populated by tatars and their Ukrainian slaves beforehand. Complaining about Russian colonialism doesn’t quite work.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mr. Hack
  55. AP says:
    @Denis

    A massive chunk of Ukraine was settled by the Russian empire, having been populated by tatars and their Ukrainian slaves beforehand.

    And massive chunks of the Russian Empire was settled by Ukrainians fighting for Russia. And if Ukrainians, fighting alongside their Polish brothers, hadn’t held the Turks in check for centuries before, Russia would never have been in a position to take those lands. For example:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khotyn_(1621)

    You act act if the Ukrainians had passively done nothing until Russia came along, and that afterwards they had nothing to do with Russian Empire exploits and didn’t deserve any of the spoils.

    • Replies: @Denis
    , @Belarusian Dude
  56. AP says:
    @Denis

    At least you imply Saker isn’t reasonable.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Denis
    , @Denis
  57. I’m surprised nobody has talked about Chile yet. Ignorance or merely disinterest?

    Chile has long been seen as the poster child for US-sponsored neoliberalism, which is why it caught many people by surprise. Turns out that having high per capita income alone isn’t enough if it highly concetrated in few hands.

    Got me thinking that it seems we have only two choices in most Western and Western-adjecent countries. Either we get leftwing economics and leftist social politics, or we get neoliberal economics with some token right-wing (or at least moderate) social politics. CDU in Germany and Tories in the UK are a perfect example of this, as is the GOP in the USA. They are still moving leftwards in social politics, but their selling point is simply “not as fast as the other guys”.

    Under the previous “socialist” government of Chile, they started to import a bunch of Haitians, which wasn’t popular. So the supposedly right-wing guy comes in, but he doesn’t do much to deport the Haitians, just halt the flow but his economics is neoliberal. Seems to me that there is a huge untapped potential for left-wing economics/redistributive policies and right-wing social politics. Why is it so rare? I can’t think of any example of a major party in any Western country.

    Oh, and 8 people have already died in these protests, far more than in Hong Kong despite the latter protests going on for far longer. Yet you don’t hear outraged calls to sanction Chile in the US media. Because the guy in charge is an ally. This is making me so cynical about the world.

  58. @Pericles

    I’m not sure why you are so obsessed with unlisted stocks and Israeli stocks. Seems you got some personal horror stories to tell us 🙂

    My main problem is that I have a lump sum of cash, about 500K SEK and growing every month that I am saving for a down payment for an apartment. To tell you the truth I am just waiting for a recession to come and for prices to come down quite a bit. I can afford a new apartment now but I am okay where I live and the upgrade, while preferable, is not an absolute necessity, so I am willing to wait. And the issue is that a true recession doesn’t seem to come.

    Yet at the same time, I want to protect this lump sum from being eroded by inflation. Back in the day you could invest in government bonds and get a decent inflation-adjusted return based on the low risk. But in the world of negative interest rates as far as the eye can see, that no longer holds. So I am looking at more exotic options like Lendify or Brocc. Still, I am at a loss what other options are. The bank I am with didn’t know either, instead they tried to push that money into managed funds where they charge ridiculous fees.

    I know about Avanza et al, but that is for long-term savings where you invest with a horizon of decades. I am looking for a placeholder which can preserve the value of my lumpsum for at most 3-5 years. I’ve raised this issue with other people and it seems like a lot of people have the same problem yet nobody found a satisifactory solution yet. Do you got any ideas?

  59. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    Lol. I found video of this Saker freak a few days ago.

    Even shabbier, less presentable, and more creepy looking than you imagine. Some kind of obese, inhygienic, old Swiss, who your intuition would think is a homeless pedophile if you met him in real life.

  60. Dmitry says:

    Some recent stories…

    Ukrainian guest workers in Poland were beaten up to paralysis by Polish night club guards, for speaking in Ukrainian

    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/10/07/htospanue/

    • Replies: @AP
  61. Dmitry says:

    Summer’s flying ban against Georgia, does not seem instantly to damage its economy.

    Georgia’s economic growth expands 5% year-on-year in Jan-Aug

    TBILISI, Sept 30 (Reuters) – Georgia’s economy expanded 5% year-on-year in the first eight months of 2019, up from 4.8% growth in the same period of 2018, preliminary data showed on Monday.

    In August, gross domestic product grew by 5.8% compared with the same month a year ago, after expanding 6.1% year-on-year in July. In August 2018 the growth was 2%.

    The fastest growth in August this year was registered in trade, transport, real estate, construction, processing industry and services. But there were declines in activity in the metallurgy, production and distribution of electricity, natural gas and water industries.

    Georgia’s economy expanded 4.7% in 2018.

    The government expects growth this year of at least 5%, although central bank Governor Koba Gvenetadze told Reuters this month that GDP might be 4.5% because of a dispute with neighbouring Russia and amid anti-government protests.

    Fitch upgraded Georgia’s long-term foreign currency rating to “BB” from “BB-“ with a stable outlook in February.

    Moody’s rating agency affirmed Georgia’s BA2 rating earlier this month with a stable outlook.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/georgia-economy/georgias-economic-growth-expands-5-year-on-year-in-jan-aug-idUKL5N26L580

  62. @Dmitry

    Many people believe that murders or rapes of women are from strangers, when they are outside. But statistically, most such crimes are from people you know, and happen at home. Just in the latter case, it is more common, so less interesting for the media to report.

    WRONG.

    You have fallen for the Feminist meme of “rape culture” and “toxic masculinity” where “consent” is literally whatever a woman feels at any given moment which is absurdly arbitrary and random.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Swedish Family
  63. @AP

    Ukraine would not join the EU for at least 20 years, until it gets its act together. Nobody doubts that.

    The point is that countries with close links to the EU and non-smooth links with their eastern neighbors (Finland, Austria during the Cold War) prospered without being formal members of the EU.

    That only leads to the question of why does Ukraine even need to actually join the EU when it can get the economic benefits of being closely associated to the EU without ever actually joining it?

    Ukraine can eventually be in EU, or whatever organization to its west that may replace it in 20 years

    The other day both North Macedonia and Albania had their EU accession blocked by Emmanuel Cuckron lol. Why do you think Ukraine would fare any differently in such a scenario in the future?

    I’ve already stated it once, and I’ll state it again, Croatia was, the last country to ever join the EU in 2013, and will be the last country to have ever joined the EU.

    EU expansion or integration is permanently dead. Get over it already. FFS …

    • Replies: @AP
  64. @Dmitry

    Lol. I found video of this Saker freak a few days ago.

    Even shabbier, less presentable, and more creepy looking than you imagine. Some kind of obese, inhygienic, old Swiss, who your intuition would think is a homeless pedophile if you met him in real life.

    LOL

    Lay off the poor old boomer. Saker is a mixed Russo-Swiss child. He repeats a combination of Sovok ranting, basic Russian nationalist talking points, Anglo Boomer civnat cuckery and old-school Leftist talking points of opposing the “US Empire”.

    He was probably actually interesting before the 2015 time period when not many people where aware of the basics of these things, but he’s quickly become a cringe meme and a bit tiresome since then.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Swedish Family
  65. Hail says: • Website

    Canada election results (provisional)

    338 seats up for election
    169 needed for a majority

    Liberal Party
    – PM candidate (and current PM) Justin Trudeau (born 1971; Catholic left-winger; married with three children under age 12)
    – 5.8 million votes nationwide
    – 156 seats [46% of seats]

    Conservative Party
    – PM candidate Andrew Scheer (born 1979 in Ottawa; Catholic; married with five children)
    – 6.1 million votes nationwide
    – 122 seats [36% of seats]

    Bloc Quebecois
    – 1.4 million votes
    – 32 seats [9.5% of seats]

    New Democratic Party
    – PM candidate Jagmeet Singh (born 1979 in Scarborough, Ontario to Punjab-origin parents and spent some of early life in India; is a turban-wearing Sikh; married a Punjab fashion designer in 2018)
    – 2.8 million votes
    – 24 seats [7% of seats]

    Green Party
    – PM candidate Elizabeth May (born 1954 in the USA to a transatlantic US-UK family; moved to Nova Scotia in 1972; divorced; one child; Anglican)
    – 1.1 million votes
    – 3 seats [1% of seats]

    = Trudeau will lead a minority government; he’ll have a fairly comfortable voting majority when combining forces with the far-left New Democratic Party on specific votes. (Liberal+NDU=180 seats, eleven more than needed for a 50%+1 parliament vote, though this could change when results are finalized.)

    The “Visible Minorities” and “New Canadians” (as Canada’s media calls them) split between the big three parties of Liberal, Conservative, and NDP, maybe around 45-25-30 (suggested by polls), whereas Canada-origin White voters were probably around 40-45-15 in a three-way contest. IOW, if only Whites had voted, Trudeau may still have won more seats, but it would likely have been razor thin.

    • Replies: @Hail
  66. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    169 needed for a majority

    Correction: 170 seats for 50%+1 voting majority.

    _____________

    Update (the final count will be this or +1/2 seats of this):

    Trudeau Liberals: 157 seats
    Conservatives: 121 seats
    Left-wing, ethnic-heavy, Immigrant-led NDP: 24 seats

    _____________

    Bloc Quebecois did well but it’s unclear what this means for Quebec secessionist nationalism.

    From The Independent:

    What does the success of the Quebec separatist party Bloc Quebecois (BQ) mean for Canadian politics?

    Under the leadership of Yves-Francois Blanchet, BQ has jumped from 10 seats to 32 in the predominantly French-speaking province, helping to deny Mr Trudeau a majority in parliament.

    However, they are unlikely to be kingmakers as the Liberals are expected to govern with the left-wing NDP.

    Mr Blanchet has succeeded in part by playing down talks of separatism and presenting BQ as a party that will represent Quebec’s interests, rather than break up Canada.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  67. Pericles says:
    @Priss Factor

    The ending of AI was not devised by Spielberg. It was in the original script he got from Kubrick.

    The ending didn’t help the movie much, or at all really, but one can always wonder what Kubrick would have made of it. Perhaps he had something a bit deeper in mind. Or he might have taken a second look and rewritten it.

  68. Pericles says:
    @Hail

    If I were a BQ stalwart I’d be looking for the exit. Outvoted by the Sikh-party, high time to break this mother up and give the anglos sole custody of their swarthy pets. Might be too late by now.

    • Replies: @Hail
  69. Pericles says:
    @songbird

    Conan the Barbarian is an old favorite. Still enjoyable to watch. John Milius and Oliver Stone did good.

    The Matrix sequels were okay and terrible, respectively. They could have taken a far more interesting direction after the middle movie, which at least had some potentially interesting sparks. Basically, you could stop after the first movie and be quite satisfied, or stop after the second movie and at least be able to bring up some cool extra stuff, or watch the third and be annoyed with the whole thing.

    I blame Hugo Weaving for being too good at his job. Or maybe the Wachovskies were thinking too much about transitioning to their new girly selves.

  70. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    There are ~ 2 million Ukrainians in Poland at any given time. Such things are bound to happen.

  71. AP says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    That only leads to the question of why does Ukraine even need to actually join the EU when it can get the economic benefits of being closely associated to the EU without ever actually joining it?

    Same reason Poland and Hungary don’t want out even if their subsidies decrease – their place is in Europe. Of course, if “Europe” gets crazier things may change.

    The other day both North Macedonia and Albania had their EU accession blocked by Emmanuel Cuckron lol. Why do you think Ukraine would fare any differently in such a scenario in the future?

    If it gets its act together it may have a stronger economy than those two.; it may be more economically integrated etc. This will probably take 20 years to happen It is also large and strategically important (provides buffer for eastern Europe). North Macedonia and Albania are kinda irrelevant. Poland wants Ukraine in. Greece dislikes North Macedonia.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  72. Denis says:
    @AP

    And massive chunks of the Russian Empire was settled by Ukrainians

    The vast majority of those chunks still being part of Russia, which is appropriate. Donass probably will join them, like Crimea already has.

    And if Ukrainians, fighting alongside their Polish brothers, hadn’t held the Turks in check for centuries before, Russia would never have been in a position to take those lands. For example:

    Insert Serbs/Croats/Greeks/Germans/etc. You don’t see Russia surrendering potential clay to them, do you? You don’t see Ukraine doing it either.

    You act act if the Ukrainians had passively done nothing until Russia came along, and that afterwards they had nothing to do with Russian Empire exploits and didn’t deserve any of the spoils.

    # Jumping to Conclusions

    • Replies: @AP
  73. AP says:
    @Denis

    And massive chunks of the Russian Empire was settled by Ukrainians

    The vast majority of those chunks still being part of Russia, which is appropriate.

    Sure. And the parts settled mostly by ethnic Ukrainians are part of Ukraine, which is appropriate. So?

    And if Ukrainians, fighting alongside their Polish brothers, hadn’t held the Turks in check for centuries before, Russia would never have been in a position to take those lands. For example:

    Insert Serbs/Croats/Greeks/Germans/etc. You don’t see Russia surrendering potential clay to them, do you? You don’t see Ukraine doing it either.

    Ukrainians did more to stop Turks than Serb ever did (why do Croats refer to Serbs as “Servs?”). What position would Russia had been in, if the Turks had won at Khotyn?

  74. Mr. Hack says:
    @Denis

    A massive chunk of Ukraine was settled by the Russian empire, having been populated by tatars and their Ukrainian slaves beforehand. Complaining about Russian colonialism doesn’t quite work.

    Maybe in your mind it doesn’t “quite work”, but in the mnds of millions of Ukrainians it works perfectly well. Since the early 20th century Ukrainians have clamored for their own separate state, independent from Russia. Only a fool or somebody with a Russian political motivation could fail to see the sweep of history within Ukraine. It’s telling that only Crimea, a region with a majority of Russians living within, was the only region within Ukraine that showed a preference to break away and join Russia and only one half of the Donbas (the most Russified eastern part and closest to Russia) has shown separatist tendencies. Even the part of Ukraine that was settled during the Russsian Empire period, the so called “Novo-Russia” area that you opine about in your comment, showed very little desire to join Russian inspired attempts to break away from Ukraine in 2014 – 2015, choosing to remain within Ukraine, displaying its Ukrainian ethnic and historic orientation.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  75. Epigon says:

    Ukrainians did more to stop Turks than Serb ever did

    This is utter nonsense, perhaps your greatest bullshit to date.
    There was not a single Ukrainian-Turkish battle, there is no other way of framing it.

    Meanwhile, Serbs resisted Ottoman expansion along every single instance, from 1352 to 1918.

    There is a reason why it took Ottomans 150 years between Maritsa in 1371 and fall of Belgrade in 1521.
    However, even after Serbia was extinguished, Serbs fought first under Hungarian banner (Bakić, Jovan Nenad) and in Black Army (largest contingent), then under Habsburg leadership (Grenzer, a massive contribution) along with dispersing as far as Poland – bringing with them Hajduk and Racowie/Gusar/Hussar terms.

    During numerous Habsburg-Ottoman wars, Serb rebels in Ottoman lands and Serb Freikorps organised to fight Turks – there was even a short-lived kingdom established.

    Two large Serb uprisings in 1804-1813 and 1815-1817 established Serb autonomy within Ottoman Empire, the Ottomans failing to extinguish and defeat the rebel forces. Finally Serbs liberated themselves in 1877-1878 war.

    Fast forward to 1878 – 3 Serb Austrian generals lead the conquest of Bosnia&Herzegovina, leading the Grenzer dominated army.

    (why do Croats refer to Serbs as “Servs?”)

    Because Croat humour, Croat historicity and Croat intelligence are non-existing?

    Seriously, ask the Croats the name of ONE Croat princess, ONE Croat Queen and ONE European dynasty their supposed glorious medieval rulers intermarried with.

    • Replies: @AP
  76. Epigon says:

    What position would Russia had been in, if the Turks had won at Khotyn?

    Khotyn battle occured hundreds of miles from Muscovy?

    The Turks would press their attack on Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, creating an opportunity for Russians to recoup the losses suffered during Times of trouble/Dimitriads and Commonwealth invasion of Russia?

    With Commonwealth forces distracted and tied by Ottoman invasion, the country in turmoil following a hypothetical defeat at Khotyn, the Russians could invade Rus’ and rely on local Orthodox population and opportunistic nobility to bolster their forces.

    • Replies: @AP
  77. Mr. Hack says:
    @Dmitry

    “Exceptionally valuable research”?? 🙂

  78. Dmitry says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    poor old boomer.

    Lol, but boomers usually are normal people, can wear clean clothes before they go to television, follow hygiene, not be obese, etc.

    There are people who still look nice and attractive, even despite the dirty/fat and eccentric appearance. There are pleasant eccentrics, where the dirty appearance compliments their eccentric views positively. But watching video of Saker, when you already know his strange text – the appearance is just of one of the crazy homeless people that might try to talk to you in the corner of a bookshop about conspiracy theories.

    Russo-Swiss child

    He says he is from Switzerland and emigrated to Florida.

    He says father is Dutch
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YBonBzjQwI4J:https://thesaker.is/submarines-in-the-desert-as-my-deepest-gratitude-to-you

    He says his mother is Russian – but he says in the video above, it’s his great-grandparents which were from Russia.

    He repeats a combination of Sovok ranting,

    I don’t know, but this is a bit unfair to sovok ranting – sovok ranting usually very logical and has a lot of relation to peoples’ reality and their experience of living in the USSR.

    Russian nationalist talking points

    Well, I do not support “Russian nationalist talking points”. But at least to support of Russian nationalism – Saker is more like an opposite of Russian nationalist talking points. He loves in Muslims, etc.

    Anglo Boomer civnat cuckery and old-school Leftist talking points of opposing the “US Empire”.

    I tried to read his articles more than once (actually I have probably tried to read them more than 10 times, I am sad to say about my life).

    He produces nonsensical mix of text. He thinks he is persecuted by “Anglo-Zionism”, which is combined with some ranting about “The Empire”. This happens from watching too much watching Star Wars, although in his mind Luke Skywalker would be some kind of Islamism

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  79. melanf says:

    Ukrainians did more to stop Turks than Serb ever did

    Funny joke

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
  80. @AP

    Same reason Poland and Hungary don’t want out even if their subsidies decrease – their place is in Europe. Of course, if “Europe” gets crazier things may change.

    You do realize that the EU is fundamentally anti-European in its nature as its primary goal is to replace the native populations of Europe out of existence. The EU is founded upon the Khalergi Plan with that being its primary goal. You should take the time to read the Khalergi Plan.

    Some things are worth more in this world than EU gibs.

    If it gets its act together it may have a stronger economy than those two.; it may be more economically integrated etc. This will probably take 20 years to happen It is also large and strategically important (provides buffer for eastern Europe).

    A lot of things can happen in 20 years. 20 years before from now in 1999, Russia was still led by Yeltsin in its 1990’s modern day version imitating the early 17th century Russian Time of Trouble’s while Serbia was being bombed for 78 days based upon a fake NATO hoax.

    North Macedonia and Albania are kinda irrelevant. Poland wants Ukraine in. Greece dislikes North Macedonia.

    It’s easy to take a dump on the Balkans although the people that do so always come to regret it, sooner or later. Even though Albania is full of worthless human trash, it is a key location on the Adriatic Sea and for drug-prostitutes-organ trafficking and trade. North Macedonia is literally the central pivot point of South-East Europe.

    Also think about who would be opposed to Ukraine’s accession. Emanuel Cuckron blocked Analbania and Monkeydonia, do you really think he has a higher opinion of Ukraine?

    Netherlands voters also overwhelmingly voted in a referendum to in advance block any Ukrainian accession to the EU. It literally only takes 1 EU member state to oppose enlargement for your goal of Ukraine joining the EU to be permanently dead. Your goal is already dead because the time of the early 2000’s EU enlargement is over for good. Countries like Hungary, Romania and so on joined the EU in a very quick time-frame of always under 2 years from the moment they applied. Even though I do not think gambling is wise or moral, I am so confident Ukraine will never join the EU that I would be willing to bet hundreds of dollars with you that the EU will cease to exist before Ukraine joins it …

  81. Dmitry says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    It has been said directly from people who observed the courts. Most of the crimes in the courts, are between friends and families, in the home.

    On the other hand, journalists and media (who are reporting in the courts) are rapidly bored by the ordinary cases – as would be the readers -, and so therefore focus much more reporting space/time on the most exceptional and unusual situations.

    If you read the newspapers, you receive an impression which is a bit of an unrepresentative sample of normal crime, because the journalists are focusing particularly on the most interesting cases, which can be quite unusual and rare.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  82. @Dmitry

    He says his mother is Russian – but he says in the video above, it’s his great-grandparents which were from Russia.

    Well, Saker clearly does have some kind of Russian ancestry.

    But at least to support of Russian nationalism – Saker is more like an opposite of Russian nationalist talking points. He loves in Muslims, etc.

    It’s true that Saker cucks on Islam and Muslims, although this is what happens when a person unwittingly holds Russian nationalist beliefs and Anglo/Western boomer civnat cuckery as well. Still, as far as Ukraine, Baltics and East Europe are concerned, Saker is so hardcore that he is literally more of a Russian nationalist than AK on those matters.

    Saker has a somewhat wierd and odd combination of beliefs that produce sometimes self-contradictory and bizarre content. Personally, he is pro-Serb enough for me to like him and he writes some truth on Serb matters. That’s why I don’t fully dislike him and have no reason to insult him.

    I tried to read his articles more than once (actually I have probably tried to read them more than 10 times, I am sad to say about my life).

    Lol.

    He produces nonsensical mix of text. He thinks he is persecuted by “Anglo-Zionism”, which is combined with some ranting about “The Empire”. This happens from watching too much watching Star Wars, although in his mind Luke Skywalker would be some kind of Islamism

    Lol.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  83. @Dmitry

    On the other hand, journalists and media (who are reporting in the courts) are rapidly bored by the ordinary cases – as would be the readers -, and so therefore focus much more reporting space/time on the most exceptional and unusual situations.

    If you read the newspapers, you receive an impression which is a bit of an unrepresentative sample of normal crime, because the journalists are focusing particularly on the most interesting cases, which can be quite unusual and rare.

    There you go. You’ve managed to explain a part of what I was trying to get across.

  84. Dmitry says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    he is pro-Serb

    Support from crazy people of the West, can probably be more like anti-support. It could pollute a bit the relations with some normal, but gullible, people in the West .

    The English world is very parochial in one direction – which is that although a lot of other nationalities understand English, very few anglosaxons can understand your language (whichever language your language is – even popular languages like French very few anglosaxons understand or read).

    As a result, English internet seems to be very easy for trolling by frauds like Saker, about countries and nationalities that people do not have experience of living in.

    So if frauds like Saker are writing about “Putin/Hans Solo and Islam are joining hands to destroy the anglosaxons and Zionists”.

    Well it is harmless nonsense. Still, it is possible there might really be uneducated anglosaxons or Israelis who will believe it and damage their relations with Russia, or their plans to visit for a vacation.

    Similarly, if there was some crazy guy in Russian language, writing “Shinzō Abe joins with Islam to fight Slavs and their evil empire”.

    Most people will laugh at it. But there might be some gullible people who will believe it and it will damage their attraction to Japan (and possibly lower vacation rates to Japan by some small percentage).

    That said, internet politics is a parallel world, which does not seem to have much causal relation to the real one.

    Anglosaxons I meet in the real world seem to be friendly, and strangely do not know that Putin is planning to join with Islam to destroy their Zionist death star, even though this information is known to all on the internet.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  85. @Dmitry

    Support from crazy people of the West, can probably be more like anti-support. It could pollute a bit the relations with some normal, but gullible, people in the West .

    Possibly, but I think it doesn’t really matter either way.

    That said, internet politics is a parallel world, which does not seem to have much causal relation to the real one.

    The best summary of all this. This is true for the blogs of AK and The Saker, at least.

    Other internet politics blogs and sites do have much more influence. For instance, Ron Unz himself, Daily Stormer and a bunch of other sites. However, the aggressive censorship drive in the West would disprove your assertion.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  86. Hail says: • Website
    @Pericles

    Did they do so bad? They won 32 of 78 seats in Quebec (41% of Quebec seats), making for 9.5% of national seats, their best result since 2008.

    Quebec vote in 2019
    (78 seats contested in direct, single-seat-constituency elections):
    – Liberal Party [34% of the vote] – 35 seats;
    – Bloc Quebecois [32.5% of the vote] – 32 seats;
    – Conservative Party [16% of the vote] – 10 seats;
    – New Democratic Party [11% of the vote] – 1 seat;
    – Green Party [4.5% of the vote] – o seats;
    – People’s Party [1.5% of the vote] – 0 seats.

    The People’s Party is a new, right-wing ethnonationalist party in Canada. It had the organizational ability to field candidates in all 338 ridings in Canada.

    The forces of the Right were so focused on beating Trudeau in 2019, which they failed to do, that the natural People’s Party vote was probably depressed substantially (esp. given the non-proportional voting system that Canada uses). People’s Party still pulled 2% of the national vote. This suggests to me they could become a significant player in the 2020s.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
    , @Pericles
  87. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    For instance, Ron Unz himself,

    The only influence Ron Unz will ever have is among Holocaust deniers and other committed antisemites, and while their numbers may be growing given the “interesting” times we’re living in, they’re still fairly marginal. Outside such circles Ron Unz’ influence is non-existent imo.

    • Disagree: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Replies: @another anon
    , @iffen
  88. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    …Crimea, a region with a majority of Russians living within, was the only region within Ukraine that showed a preference to break away and join Russia

    I don’t know if you realise how strange that statement is. How was Crimea ‘within Ukraine‘? Historically it was a part of Russia, before that Tatar-Ottoman, before that Goth, Greek, etc… The population was Russian, people preferred to be a part of Russia. It was an autonomous republic and was attached to Ukraine on a whim by a drunk half-Ukrainian peasant who clawed his way to the top in Kremlin.

    Why would you say that it was a ‘region within Ukraine‘?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Mikhail
  89. Yeltsin’s foreign minister wants America to impeach Donald Trump ASAP “to become a beacon of moral truth”.

    • Replies: @another anon
    , @LondonBob
  90. iffen says:
    @Thulean Friend

    We still have a lot of international barriers on capitals flows

    What about barriers to the flow of labor? Is that a problem as well?

  91. iffen says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Russians care more about Ukraine than anybody else.

    Not more than real ‘Muricans.

    We care enough to change their government leaders when they need changing. Sort of like caring enough to change the dirty diapers of those you love.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  92. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    The Crimean Oblast replaced the Crimean ASSR on June 30, 1945.

    The oblast was transferred from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR on February 19, 1954.

    So, it was an oblast of Ukraine starting in 1945. A part of the larger Ukrainian state territory. Kapish?
    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  93. @Felix Keverich

    Yeltsin’s foreign minister wants America to impeach Donald Trump ASAP “to become a beacon of moral truth”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Kozyrev

    Since the conclusion of the second Duma term Kozyrev left the government for private business. He now lives in Miami.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Козырев,_Андрей_Владимирович

    В США экс-министр проводит время за чтением книг о демократических переменах в мире.
    In United States, former minister spends his time reading books about democratic changes in the world.

    No surprise.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  94. https://www.brownpundits com/2019/10/13/the-clearly-evident-out-of-india-migration-from-ancient-dna/#comment-46382

    No Aryan invasion and no real mixing with Aboriginal people either. Panjab and Sindh are Vedic and east of them people are aboriginal

    Thoughts?

  95. @German_reader

    The only influence Ron Unz will ever have is among Holocaust deniers and other committed antisemites,

    Add 9/11, Kennedy assassination and moon landings truthers (why not flat earth – is Ron Unz part of the (((globe conspiracy)))? )

    • Replies: @Matra
  96. Matra says:
    @another anon

    Add 9/11, Kennedy assassination and moon landings truthers (why not flat earth – is Ron Unz part of the (((globe conspiracy)))? )

    You could probably add the Suvorov Icebreaker theory as well. Though I’d say some Kennedy assassination theories are more believable than Suvorov.

    Over the last week I’ve been watching Simon Harris’ videos on Catalonia. Harris has been going through a public red-pilling in his late 50s and he makes some very interesting observations. Yet the other day he said he wasn’t so sure the flat-earthers were wrong. It’s almost as if the red-pilled boomer becomes so traumatised that they lose all sense of reality.

  97. @Hail

    PPC is not an ethnonationalist party..

    Also check this out

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver net/2019/09/27/the-necessity-of-anti-semitism/

    Culture of Tolerance, Sterility, Critique & Usury.

  98. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    You have fallen for the Feminist meme of “rape culture” and “toxic masculinity” where “consent” is literally whatever a woman feels at any given moment which is absurdly arbitrary and random.

    Without getting into the minefield of rape, and how the definition of it has widened in the past decade, Dmitry is basically right: whenever you hear of a murder, the safest guess is always that the victim and the offender knew each other. The same is true of pedophilia, and I’m sure many other crimes.

    Another interesting — and related — rule of thumb. The Swedish celebrity criminologist Leif G. W. Persson, who claims to know the facts of every cold murder case in modern Swedish history, once said that the more overviolence a victim is subjected to, the greater the likelihood of the victim and the offender having a history.

  99. @Thulean Friend

    The investment product you seek doesn’t exist.

    Move on.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  100. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    He was probably actually interesting before the 2015 time period when not many people where aware of the basics of these things, but he’s quickly become a cringe meme and a bit tiresome since then.

    Whatever your view of his merits, he is — along with Paul Kersey (certainly a crackpot) and Mr. Unz (well …) — among the most popular writers on this site, as you can see if you look up the “most popular” box on the Unz Review home page.

    I happen to like the Saker, but not because he is a paragon of objectivity, but because his voice draws me in and makes me think. Here’s the 5th most popular post on Unz Review this past month: New Weapons and the New Tactics Which They Make Possible: Three Examples. As a layman, I can’t see much to quibble with here.

  101. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    For instance, Ron Unz himself, Daily Stormer and a bunch of other sites.

    The Daily Stormer is frequently and continuously referenced in the MSM, but not the UR. Has the UR ever been cited in the MSM?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  102. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Sorry, I meant:

    So, it was an oblast of Ukraine starting in 1954.

  103. @Dmitry

    What’s particular shabby or creepy about him? He is not particularly obese by American boomer standards, probably around average. Dress sense – again, typical American. I didn’t make out any stains, though I didn’t look closely.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Dmitry
  104. Pericles says:
    @Hail

    Jagmeeth Singh’s party still got no less than twice as many votes as the BQ. Doesn’t translate to seats, I know, but for me, warning bells would be ringing.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
  105. @iffen

    That’s our dirty job. US kidnapped baby Ukraine.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Mr. Hack
  106. iffen says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What is it with Russkies that makes it impossible for them to be able to distinguish kidnapped from rescue?

  107. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Saker has a somewhat wierd and odd combination of beliefs that produce sometimes self-contradictory and bizarre content. Personally, he is pro-Serb enough for me to like him and he writes some truth on Serb matters. That’s why I don’t fully dislike him and have no reason to insult him.

    I don’t want to insult Saker either and I don’t think I ever really have.

    That said, it’s ironic that he was doxed by Serbs for… Islamophilia: http://cirilizovano.blogspot.com/2015/11/who-is-saker.html

    I was gently (and I do emphasize ~ gently ~) reprimanded by my “brother Russian” that although I had complete editorial freedom, this did not extend as far as insulting members of the Muslim community (as the article of Aleksandar Lambros apparently did). I told him (most ungraciously, I admit) to go fuck himself and who was he, after all, to explain to a Serb, 600 years under the Ottoman yoke, the situation with Muslims? His response was that “all Serbs are crazy” (meaning me and Aleksandar Jovanovic, I guess) and that I just didn’t see he was properly respectful of Islam (whose teachings he openly compares with the teachings of the Holy Fathers of the Christian Church) ,,just like Putin admires and respects Kadhyrov”.

    The Grand Strategist he is not. I did my research on Andrei Raevsky aka the Saker ex post facto and determined that he was a Swiss citizen who had already some difficulties with the Russians with respect to Chechnya. By his own admission, he was sent there as an employee of the International Red Cross and subsequently fired for his pro-Chechen bias. He later went on record in several published works as being critical of the Russian Army’s “heavy-handed approach” towards the Chechen terrorists.

    Important note: I am not participating in the dox, since Saker has publicly written about it and quoted it himself, with his own version of events (otherwise, I wouldn’t mention it): https://thesaker.is/saker-request-of-advice-to-the-saker-community-option-a-or-option-b/

    His own opinions, so whatever. But a Russian nationalist he is in no way, shape, or form.

    Still, as far as Ukraine, Baltics and East Europe are concerned, Saker is so hardcore that he is literally more of a Russian nationalist than AK on those matters.

    I supported invading Ukraine throughout 2014, didn’t shill for mnogokhodovka (e.g. by claiming that Ukraine was on the cusp of collapse anyway), and viewed Syria as an unwelcome distraction from the Ukrainian theater though expressing lukewarm support for it (The Saker was much more enthusiastic about it, while Israel Shamir outright said that Syria would be great to take Russian minds off Ukraine).

    So I don’t see how “he is literally more of a Russian nationalist than AK on those matters.”

  108. Pericles says:
    @Thulean Friend

    There seems to be no risk free refuges left anymore …

    Again, for entertainment purposes only:

    You could perhaps bet that USD will continue to outpace SEK, in which case buy short-term USD bonds. Or do the same for EUR if that seems more plausible. That’s basically buying dollars or euros. I believe there are a number of funds available for either approach. You could keep parts of your stash in USD, EUR, SEK too. (Recall that the flight to safety usually goes to USD.)

    Another more complicated option is to buy a smaller home with your savings as down payment, then sell it when you want to buy the real one. While there are some risks, costs and extra work, it can be attractive since it’s in the same asset class as what you’re saving for, and furthermore the Riksbank probably won’t sacrifice the home owners in a crisis. But do think this one through before you go ahead. For instance, how securely are you employed? how long can you make the loan payments even if you get unemployed? can you rent it out while saving? what about repairs? etc.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  109. Mr. Hack says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And Russia got the consolation prize – Bon Apetit! 🙂

  110. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Beckow

    I don’t know if you realise how strange that statement is. How was Crimea ‘within Ukraine‘? Historically it was a part of Russia, before that Tatar-Ottoman, before that Goth, Greek, etc…

    Part of Rus before the Tatars arrived there.

  111. nymom says:

    I was going to put this question on the previous post about people losing their jobs and being sanctioned for their position on the IQ debate but thought it might derail the discussion…but anyway: What does it say about the IQ of Canadians who just recently voted in Justin Trudeau for another four years…

    I mean was it voter fraud, media manipulation or what???? I am just afraid that its significant in some way that is not clear to us yet; because Canada (which I previously considered to be a completely sensible country) seems to be turning into another potential Sweden on our borders…I’d hate to have to think that in another decade or so we are going to have to be either building a wall to keep out their imported terrorists; or, worse yet have to invade our northern neighbors at some point…

    I just don’t know what to think anymore. I am also going to post this on Steve Sailor thread…

  112. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I don’t want to open the video again lol. If you want to watch on full screen and look at the face.

    Physiognomy reminds of a crazy old nerd I met in a bookshop once, who was talking to people about some kind of conspiracy.

    not particularly obese by American boomer standards,

    Perhaps in Wallmart in the unsuccessful parts of America, e.g. relative to people of Wallmart videos

    Or to a few fellows in the blogging profession

    Dress sense – again, typical American.

    Maybe in Wallmart in the most poor parts of America.

    But he is a Swiss man of Zurich, which is a bourgeois city. I don’t think being fat, shabby, nerd, etc, is normal for his city

    Besides, if he was a scientist or high IQ, this appearance might be charming and pleasant. It is suitable for a scientist or mathematician, perhaps.

    But I am less sympathetic when the fat hippo is writing on the internet violent nonsense about soldiers, war, military, fighting, etc, even though they have no discipline and could not stop eating donuts to run 50 metres themselves.

  113. Reality is hateful. It hates lies and nonsense. That’s why Facebook and Google(owned and run by globalist liars) push censorship of truthful speech as ‘hate speech’.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/on-gender-left-steps-up-effort-against-notorious-hate-group-reality

    • LOL: utu, Yevardian, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @AP
  114. AP says:
    @Epigon

    Ukrainians did more to stop Turks than Serb ever did…There was not a single Ukrainian-Turkish battle, there is no other way of framing it.

    Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and its people did much to halt the Turks. Famous Hetman Sahaidachny helped stop the Turks at Khotyn.

    Meanwhile, Serbs resisted Ottoman expansion along every single instance, from 1352 to 1918.

    And they also served the Ottomans. It was certainly not a period of never-ending warfare. For example:

    http://ieg-ego.eu/en/threads/models-and-stereotypes/from-the-turkish-menace-to-orientalism/emrah-safa-gurkan-christian-allies-of-the-ottoman-empire

    The Ottoman army contained several contingents of their Christian vassals, situated on the left flank of the army where the Rumili askeri, “the Balkan soldiers”, stood. These Christians fought well: at the Battle of Ankara (1402), the Serbian contingent under the Serbian Knez, Stefan Lazarević (1374–1427) , fought longer than most of the Muslim soldiers, who either changed sides or fled.

    (Yes I know Lazarevic sometimes fought and sometimes served the Ottomans).

    I think they will revert to form and serve them now.

    However, even after Serbia was extinguished, Serbs fought first under Hungarian banner (Bakić, Jovan Nenad) and in Black Army (largest contingent), then under Habsburg leadership (Grenzer, a massive contribution) along with dispersing as far as Poland – bringing with them Hajduk and Racowie/Gusar/Hussar terms…Fast forward to 1878 – 3 Serb Austrian generals lead the conquest of Bosnia&Herzegovina, leading the Grenzer dominated army.

    Point taken about Grenzers. However wouldn’t you consider them to be anti-Serbs, traitors? You yourself wrote about them and these 3 generals:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/nicholas-ii/#comment-2403191

    “And to further my point about Austro-Hungary and the invasion of Bosnia&Herzegovina in 1878: all three of the senior commanders: Gavrilo Rodić, Josif Filipović and Stjepan Jovanović were born in Serb Orthodox Grenzer families, their forces were mostly Grenzers, and all three were denationalised and Uniatized/Catholicized as a pre-requisite for formal military education and later on, noble titles. The same for would be the case for Field Marshal Svetozar Borojević, later on.”

    If these people are Serbs, so are Bosniaks.

    • Replies: @melanf
    , @Epigon
  115. Matra says:
    @nymom

    because Canada (which I previously considered to be a completely sensible country) seems to be turning into another potential Sweden on our borders…

    You’ve already got “Sweden” within your borders. Virtually every uberPC idea now infecting Canada originated in the US.

    I’d hate to have to think that in another decade or so we are going to have to be either building a wall to keep out their imported terrorists

    You import your own terrorists. The politicised movies, music, cable news, campus & corporate wokeness, and draft dodgers Canada has imported from the US over the past 50 years have done far more damage to Canada than terrorists could ever do to either the US or Canada.

  116. Dmitry says:
    @another anon

    No surprise.

    Although Miami as a preference, is not usually sensitive to political alignment, just economic status.

    E.g. family which owns LifeNews – see their children in videos of hipsters celebrating New Year in Miami.

  117. AP says:
    @Epigon

    Khotyn battle occured hundreds of miles from Muscovy?

    The Turks would press their attack on Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, creating an opportunity for Russians to recoup the losses suffered during Times of trouble/Dimitriads and Commonwealth invasion of Russia

    Turks would consolidate rule north of the Black Sea. Russia would be stuck in the periphery of Europe. Forget about Crimea, or helping the Balkans in that case.

    Ukrainians also fought alongside Sobieski at Vienna.

    Are these events confirmed?:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9,_%D0%9F%D1%91%D1%82%D1%80_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87#%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2_%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA_(1606%E2%80%941616_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_raid_on_Istanbul_(1620)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_raids_on_Istanbul_(1624)

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  118. Yevardian says:
    @Dmitry

    Eh, he seems like a regular ‘military-enthusiast’ type boomer you see in a lot of countries to me. Personally I just find his writing predictable, tedious and moralising, even if I don’t strongly disagree with much (except for his ridiculous Islamophilia).
    On the other hand, I think much of what AK writes is BS, but he is entertaining, which is all that really matters for a popular blogger.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  119. Tusk says:
    @nymom

    The Canadian Deep State is real.

  120. BAP has written a quite good response to Michael Anton: https://americanmind.org/essays/americas-delusional-elite-is-done/

    Though personally I submit we can enunciate exactly what should replace the current order.

  121. @Thorfinnsson

    I submit we can enunciate exactly what should replace the current order.

    Care to elaborate?

  122. @nymom

    “Canadians” who voted for Justin Trudeau…

    The majority of Canadians didn’t vote for Mr. Trudeau.

    Chinese, Indians, Feather Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Arabs, Africans, and Latinos voted for Mr. Trudeau. And of course, a few retarded white liberals and naive young white girls, along with white easterners looking for the gibs.

    Toronto voted almost 100% of its seats to the Liberals. The rest of Ontario, Alberta, and Interior BC voted Conservative.

    Not that the Conservatives are good, anyways. Scheer is a huge cuck.

    I supported Bernier. He ended up with just 1.7% of the vote, though.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
    , @Hail
  123. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Lucky you, Christmas just came sooner! I think that you deserve to read this long out of print book that does a great deal in showing just how important Ukrainian soldiers were in international relations in the pre-modern era. I actually own a hardcopy of it, and see that Amozon has it for $85 – since I don’t know your mailing address, this is the next best thing, a complete pdf file that includes the whol book.
    I’m sure that the knowledge that you”ll find within will serve you well. Enjoy!

    http://diasporiana.org.ua/ukrainica/12892-habsburgs-and-zaporozhian-cossacks-the-diary-of-erich-lassota-von-steblau-1594/

    • Replies: @AP
  124. Dmitry says:
    @Yevardian

    regular ‘military-enthusiast’ type boomer you

    Those people (military enthusiast) usually will know about military, and not be some crazy fraud that write conspiracy theories based on Star Wars mythology, pretends to be expert about countries they have no knowledge about, and does not seem to understand things that teenagers easily discuss (e.g. Saker does not know most basic facts about politics in Russia, let alone something about military science – and yet pollutes the English internet with negative “articles” about that).

    It is probably the most clueless and idiotic writing about politics I have (embarrassing to say about my life) tried to read from the fat Swiss man https://www.unz.com/tsaker/no-fifth-column-in-the-kremlin-think-again/

    I just find his writing predictable, tedious and moralising, even if I don’t strongly disagree with much

    Aside from low IQ and disorganized – text is mostly opposite of reality. You can add “NOT” in front of each sentence, and resulting text will have higher proportion of correct sentences than the original text.

    That is true for most articles on this website of course, but with Saker texts – he cannot even write an internally coherent paragraph, and the impression is like something mentally ill might write on the walls of their cell.

    (except for his ridiculous Islamophilia).
    On the other hand, I think much of what AK writes is BS

    Lol context of your comment is a little too offensive for Karlin, to add him in a comment about Saker.

    It’s like saying “compared to [insert name of some deranged pederast/rapist]” you are not such a bad man.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  125. melanf says:
    @AP

    Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and its people did much to halt the Turks. Famous Hetman Sahaidachny helped stop the Turks at Khotyn.

    As a result (battle of Khotyn), the Treaty was signed on October 8, 1621. …According to the Treaty, Poland refused Wallachia (in favor of Turkey), gave the Sultan the fortress of Khotyn, and had to pay 40 thousand ducats to Tatars.”

    The role of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was pathetic, but the role of Polish-owned “Ukrainian” slaves was even more pathetic.

    And they also served the Ottomans

    “Ukrainians” definitely served the Turks (as exemplified by the” heroes ” of Ukraine hetmans Doroshenko and Yuri Khmelnitsky which served to the Sultan)

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Philip Owen
  126. @Pericles

    For what?

    Conservative party which is globalist capitalist anyway usually gets 30% or so of the vote.

    Canada is leftist enough to have 2.5 left wing parties (Lib, NDP & Green) + a pseudo socialist Quebec party and STILL get a leftist gov in the centre for most of the time.

    Wtf are you even worried about? Lol.

    Canada is about 25% non white & the NDP pulled about 16% of the Vote and 15-20% is their normal range..

    If you’re concerned because it’s a scary non-white Turban, Beard leader those people will probably save white girls from Muslims before any of the White Canadians do.

    FACTS.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  127. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    All those areas have less people than the GTA which also gave a Conservative Ontario gov & put Harper into power.

    All the RW does is bow to Israel and oppose blacks aborting their children. Leftist rule from WW2-Reagan was literally better ethno-culturally for America. Your resistance to the leftist singularity only makes things worse and harder..

    Nonwhite & foreign born literally voted more for Harper than whites & native born did in 2011

    You don’t have a compelling vision beside libtardism with whites, you don’t have the institutional control and don’t have the vision to instruct institutions with anyway.
    You don’t have the guns to genocide an entire continent, and neither do you have the will.
    That much is evident from your defensive, hateful posture because you can’t plainly have fun during violence it has to be something that you regret, look down upon, etc.
    You need to regroup.

  128. @Anatoly Karlin

    So I don’t see how “he is literally more of a Russian nationalist than AK on those matters.”

    Well Saker always takes a dump on Ukraine, East Europe and the Baltics almost every single time he gets the chance to do so. Even though you dislike them, you actually try to be somewhat objective about those matters.

    His own opinions, so whatever. But a Russian nationalist he is in no way, shape, or form.

    I never did state that Saker was a full Russian nationalist though. I stated that he has a combination of partly self-contradictory and random belief sets that he meshes into one. It’s very hard to define what Saker truly believes in.

    Anyway, I find some of his content to be interesting, if a little strange at times. Otherwise, I don’t really care too much.

    That said, it’s ironic that he was doxed by Serbs for… Islamophilia

    I remember coming across that one. Even though I find it cringe and annoying, I personally don’t hold a grudge against him for his Islamophilia. However, it does strike me as just dumb and a bit bizarre …

    I don’t want to insult Saker either and I don’t think I ever really have.

    Agree.

  129. Epigon says:
    @AP

    Point taken about Grenzers. However wouldn’t you consider them to be anti-Serbs, traitors? You yourself wrote about them and these 3 generals:

    “And to further my point about Austro-Hungary and the invasion of Bosnia&Herzegovina in 1878: all three of the senior commanders: Gavrilo Rodić, Josif Filipović and Stjepan Jovanović were born in Serb Orthodox Grenzer families, their forces were mostly Grenzers, and all three were denationalised and Uniatized/Catholicized as a pre-requisite for formal military education and later on, noble titles. The same for would be the case for Field Marshal Svetozar Borojević, later on.”

    They turned out to be serving future Serb enemies, but it can be equally said that Freemason scum and conspirators of 1903, Black Hand and Karađorđević vermin are to blame for the disastrous Habsburg-Serb war. Especially considering the fact that significantly more Serbs lived under Habsburg rule than in Serbia in 1903, 1908, 1914; and the role exclusively non-serf, originally military caste Serbs had played for Habsburgs versus Croats and Hungarians, respectively.

    Ironically, Borojević was denied service in Kingdom of Yugoslavia (as opposed to AH officers such as Kvaternik who became Ustashe later on) at the insistence of Croats. Guess why.

    Regarding their “Serbhood” – Croat nationalists vandalised the grave of (future Field Marshal) Svetozar Borojević’s parents in 1903 at the Serb Orthodox graveyard (not just theirs, the whole graveyard was ravaged) in Petrinja, during the anti-Serb riots inspired by supposed “Serb favouritism” displayed by Hungarian Khuen-Hedervary ban of Croatia and Slavonia.
    More importantly, Croats practically exterminated the distant relatives of all above mentioned individuals (as well as Tesla’s), most notably cleansing the village of Bojna from where whis title (von Bojna) comes from.

    Just to remind you, the Grenzer-descended Serbs are those that perished and suffered in WW2 and 90s at the hands of Croats.

  130. India’s murder rate falls to lowest level since early 1960s. It’s notable that its peak coincides quite closely with the same time as it did in the US.

    US liberals like Kevin Drum blames lead, but can that really be the cause in India? World crime has been falling for decades and there was a significant rise in crime in the 60s which peaked in the 1990-2000 period for most countries and then declined. Such convergence in trends across the world can’t be explained by country-specific one-offs and blaming lead isn’t convincing either because many people in India barely lived in huts during this period (both rise and fall). Some have said rising prosperity is the reason, but that doesn’t explain why crime rose so sharply in the 1960–>1990/2000 period for most countries, since the world grew, even if not as fast as post-1990.

    Either way, two clear implications are inescapable. The first is that Pinker’s argument just got another datapoint added to the mountain already existing. The second is that blaming Brazil’s, Mexico’s or South Africa’s stratospheric crime levels on “poverty and exclusion” is bogus given that India is both much poorer and its employment situation is pretty damn dire.

    Are there HBD reasons why South Asians are less crime prone? I do not think Hinduism is the major factor. I remember talking to a Pakistani who had been in South Africa visiting some relatives and he remarked that the crime there was unimaginable to him living in Pakistan, even just walking the street, the kind of recurring street robberies that happen all the time in South Africa was unheard of.

    • Replies: @another anon
    , @Dmitry
  131. @Thorfinnsson

    Though personally I submit we can enunciate exactly what should replace the current order.

    Yes, you should say not only what are you against, but what are you for.
    Revolt for the sake of revolt alone achieves nothing than destruction.

    Bronze Pervert

    When Andrei Sakharov or Solzhenitsyn were dissidents against the Soviet regime, when other dissidents wrote their samizdat, would it have been fair to ask them for a complete and total accounting of their vision of the best form of government? The opposition to Soviet tyranny sought regime change, and it would have been unfair and even senseless to demand of them a precise accounting of, say, their vision of what a post-Soviet division of powers or notion of rights might look like. Dissent against the Soviet system united liberals, reactionaries, the religious, the secular, monarchists, ethnonationalists, cosmopolitans, Russians, Latvians, Bashkirs, and any other things besides. They all had one immediate aim.

    The purpose of my book is to provide samizdat in the tradition of what Solzhenitsyn was doing in the Soviet Union and to bring into view, unapologetically, the reality of nature that is denied by our regime; a reality that it seeks to repress, increasingly with coercion and violence.

    LOL. The mighty bronze barbarian is just another boomer who still believes decades old propaganda how Soviet Union was “evil empire” and perestroika and dissolution of USSR was “glorious liberation”. How revolutionary.

    If you fail to see that you live in the Soviet Union of the 1970’s or 1980’s, or rather something slightly even more repressive than the Eastern Bloc of that time, it may be you don’t know about the threats, financial ruin, and mob violence that Trump supporters and anyone really who steps out of line has been subject to since at least 2016—but actually since some time before that.

    We all remember when Solzh and Sakharov published their samizdat in Soviet Union, it got immediately on the best seller lists, sold tens of thousands of copies and made them rich.

  132. @Thulean Friend

    I remember talking to a Pakistani who had been in South Africa visiting some relatives and he remarked that the crime there was unimaginable to him living in Pakistan, even just walking the street, the kind of recurring street robberies that happen all the time in South Africa was unheard of.

    Every country have their own problems. Being blown to pieces by car or truck bomb that happen all the time in Pakistan would be unthinkable in South Africa.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Pakistan_since_2001

    (these are just the “notable” ones, in the range of tens and hundreds of deaths apiece.)

  133. Hail says: • Website
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    I supported Bernier. He ended up with just 1.7% of the vote, though.

    It’s a shame Canada has the first-past-the-post voting system, because if any country has a real political ‘space’/need for a right-wing, soft-nationalist party, it’s Canada. Success of these kinds of soft-nationalist parties (often euphemized as ‘populist’) has been a defining feature of politics across the West in the 2010s.

    Chances the People’s Party sticks around and becomes a major, second right-wing party? Like the left has Liberal, New Democratic both pulling in seats and major power players.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  134. Yevardian says:
    @Dmitry

    I meant ‘military enthusiast’ in the sense of Midwestern Americans who collect books on tanks.
    Well I’ll be honest, I’ve skimmed perhaps 3 of his articles, tops, over the years but found his writing style very turgid. Israel Shamir seems to share many of his opinions, but I like him more for his writing style than anything else (also his old articles before Unz were much better).
    Still, at least he’s not a Libertarian or a Neoliberal. I only really visited his comments sections to watch Andrei Martyanov and Akarlin throw shit at each other.

    cant edit my comment for some reason

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  135. @Yevardian

    Israel Shamir seems to share many of his opinions, but I like him more for his writing style than anything else (also his old articles before Unz were much better).
    Still, at least he’s not a Libertarian or a Neoliberal. I only really visited his comments sections to watch Andrei Martyanov and Akarlin throw shit at each other.

    Could anyone here give me a link to Andrei Martyanov and A Karlin arguing between each other or “throwing shit at each other” in comment sections?

  136. @Thorfinnsson

    I don’t have enough knowledge so I will pretend something can’t be done rather than admit my shortcomings

    FTFY.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  137. @Pericles

    Thanks for your comprehensive and helpful answer. I would probably avoid the real estate market since my purpose for saving is predicated in part on waiting for a downturn in the economy, which should also drag down real estate prices with it. Prices in Stockholm have already declined by about 10-15% since their peak but I would wager they should go down at least as much as that, if not more, once/when we get a proper recession.

    Your ideas about short-term USD bonds are alluring to me. I have looked at those ideas as well. In general, I am bearish on the Swedish Krona over the long term. I did not invest in a single Swedish company over this decade, most of whom was either US stocks (usually tech companies) or Danish/Swiss stocks (usually “big and slow” companies which give rich dividens), and I came out fairly well because of that. I see no reason why Sweden should suddenly outperform over the next few decades.

    I’ve also been thinking about commercial paper. Spilltan is a fairly strong player here in Sweden which invests in commercial paper alone and while long-term returns are much more limited than stocks, the downsides/declines are much more limited also. The downside is that they only look at the Swedish local market. One of the questions I asked my bank is if they had such a service, but for Danish or Norwegian commercial paper (they exist in those countries too since they are a pan-Nordic bank and once of the biggest ones) but she claimed she didn’t know (and this was an investment adviser who only work with people who have substantial sums). I’m less sanguine on the Euro given that the currency is attached to many weak countries, which will drag down its value.

    Exchange rate risk is a factor, but as you say, in any crisis, these currencies are likely to strengthen vis-a-vis SEK given their safe haven status. But yes, the search goes on. I am likely to split among some of these options given that just letting a rapidly growing lump sum rot with negative returns after inflation is a bad move. We’re long overdue for a recession, so I would avoid stocks or anything sensitive to sudden valuations. Property is part of that.

  138. AP says:
    @melanf

    “As a result (battle of Khotyn), the Treaty was signed on October 8, 1621. …According to the Treaty, Poland refused Wallachia (in favor of Turkey), gave the Sultan the fortress of Khotyn, and had to pay 40 thousand ducats to Tatars.”

    And massive Turkish invasion was halted.

    A peace treaty, the Treaty of Khotyn, was signed on 9 Oct.,[11]:373 which reflected the indecisive nature of the battle. In some clauses it favoured the Commonwealth, but the Ottoman Empire also got what it wanted. There were no territorial changes; the Commonwealth-Ottoman border was confirmed to be the Dniester River and the Commonwealth recognized Ottoman control over Moldavia. In the Commonwealth, and among the Cossacks, the stopping of the huge Ottoman army was seen as a great victory.

    Sultan Osman himself was not satisfied with the battle’s outcome and put the blame for it on the janissaries. Osman wanted to modernize the army, which he blamed for the defeat; his plans for modernization were, however, opposed by the tradition-minded janissaries. That opposition resulted in the rebellion of janissaries in 1622, in which Osman II was deposed and killed.[14]

    The role of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was pathetic, but the role of Polish-owned “Ukrainian” slaves was even more pathetic.

    Saving Vienna in 1683 was “pathetic.” Ukrainians being the richest magnates in the Commonwealth were “slaves.”

    We already know your grasp of history outside Russia is tenuous.

    • Replies: @melanf
  139. AP says:
    @Priss Factor

    Epic trolling would be if Russia fielded trans womens’ teams and captured all medals. This wouldn’t be too different 80s practices but now it would be legal.

    Russia values women too much to do that, though. Maybe it will be up to North Korea.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  140. @Gabru_Ak47

    All the RW does is bow to Israel and oppose blacks aborting their children.

    >>>Not that the Conservatives are good, anyways. Scheer is a huge cuck.

    Leftist rule from WW2-Reagan was literally better ethno-culturally for America.

    Yes. The old left was much different than the new, globalist left, however.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
    , @Gabru_Ak47
  141. @Hail

    Hard to tell.

    Bernier lost his own seat.

    But he still got 261,000 votes across the country; it’s not much but it’s a start. I suspect there is a somewhat larger market of right wing people who either still vote Conservative out of fear of the Liberals (red team vs blue team!) or just don’t vote at all.

    I think alot of right wingers are upset with Scheer’s performance here. If Bernier sticks around his party might grow to about 5%.

    But the hard truth is that the majority of Canadians are irreparably cucked.

  142. Pericles says:
    @Gabru_Ak47

    Lol, well enjoy your Turban Canada I guess.

    Agree with the point about defending white women even so.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
  143. @Thulean Friend

    Turns out that having high per capita income alone isn’t enough if it highly concetrated in few hands.

    I agree. You also need a staunchly conservative government willing to shoot leftist scum. And not just a few. City-wide lefty rioting? Mow the fuckers down with machine gun fire. No mercy.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  144. @silviosilver

    City-wide lefty rioting? Mow the fuckers down with machine gun fire. No mercy.

    The economic damage done by city-wide looting is miniscule compared to the massive economic damage done caused by systematic tax theft that is carried out by large multinationals and UHNWI’s. Not even in the same galaxy. You’re the kind of person who shouts at non-whites in the streets instead of fixing the systematic forces that causes the non-whites in the to be in your country to begin with. While the former is emotionally satisfying it is also intellectually crippled and leads nowhere because it completly misses the forest for the trees.

    The vast amount of economic damage/theft is done by the highly rich. 40% of “FDI” is actually pure tax scams. The entire system of tax havens is similarily just a way for rich people to loot from their societies. Looting proles is a pure distraction by comparison and peanuts in economic damage. “Right-wing” regimes do a lot on the latter but nothing on the former.

    In sum, right-wingers are stupid, as I never tire pointing out.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  145. So Google and IBM have been engaged in a tussle in the past week about Quantum Supremacy. Google say that they achieved it, IBM says not so fast. Google follows up with this.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  146. @Thulean Friend

    Get bent faggot.

    You’re now involved in a discussion about what level of price volatility you’re prepared to accept in order to avoid the certainty of capital loss induced by negative real interest rates.

    That was precisely my point–that there is no riskless SEK asset which provides a positive real rate of return. You’ve discovered this, and so now you’re mulling the idea of foreign currency risk, private investments, commercial paper, etc.

    Commercial paper is probably about as good as you’re going to get. As long as wholesale capital market lending doesn’t dry up (which happened in 2008) CP functions as a cash equivalent.

    Even as an American who can obtain positive real rates in my own currency, personally in this environment I find these sorts of assets extremely unattractive beyond what is required to cover emergency requirements.

    You also simply cannot predict where the property market is going to go or when the “inevitable” recession hits. Set a target date instead of when you want to purchase new housing and DCA into cash, cash equivalents, and short duration bonds to meet the expected down payment sum at the date you wish to invest.

    The rest of your investing should be directed into asset classes expected to grow, with diversification across currencies (not news to you). There is of course always the attraction being prepared to seize an opportunity of a suddenly crashed market, but you’ll be best prepared to capitalize on that by having a high net worth. You can then borrow against the value of a securities portfolio to obtain cash required to purchase distressed assets. Sufficiently HWNIs can also access LIBOR plus unsecured lines of credit at major banks, with the caveat that the funds cannot be invested in securities (but they can be invested in property).

  147. Dmitry says:

    Credit Suisse has published its “Global Wealth Report” of 2019 this week.

    I skimmed it for about 10 minutes and wrote some things I saw on here.

    I don’t know how accurate they can be, especially for Russia.

    They use nominal data, so it is not easy to compare – for example, they believe Russia only has 246,000 nominal millionaires, China has 4,447,000 millionaires, while America has 18,614,000 millionaires,

    But just currency exchange alone, means number for Russia and China is underreported in this comparison. Moreover, some countries the numbers inflated by property price bubbles.

    Interestingly they say there are 55,920 households that have more than $100 million, but number of households with more than $500 million is only 4,830.

    In USA, there are 84,050 households with more than $50 million, while China only has 18,130 households with more than $50 million, and Russia only has 3,120 households with more than $50 million.

    Figure for Russia is likely underreporting, especially as many assets will not be in Russia (but in Switzerland, London, Cyprus).

    Even the numbers for households with over $500 million, must be underreporting the real numbers for many countries like Russia and Brazil, where larger money is sometimes quite undiscovered (for example, no-one has known Colonel Zakharchenko had up to $500 million of assets, mainlin Europe, until his criminal case).

    They said Russia and China have the fastest growth of wealth this century.

    They also said the top 1% in Russia has the highest concentration of wealth. I think this could be exaggerated by limited access to data.

    Australia has largest collapse of wealth last year (because of a housing bubble?)

    I don’t understand meaning of this graph completely (?)

    Complete report here:
    https://www.credit-suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/about-us/research/publications/global-wealth-report-2019-en.pdf

  148. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    If your picture is accurate, then India has quite a low murder rate, for a very, very poor country.

    If India became economically developed one day, you could imagine this murder rate will fall to the same as Western European countries.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  149. @Thulean Friend

    You’re the kind of person who shouts at non-whites in the streets instead of fixing the systematic forces that causes the non-whites in the to be in your country to begin with

    I’m not even particularly bothered by the presence of non-whites (except blacks, but in tiny numbers even their presence doesn’t rile me up). I’m sure I could quite happily live in Latin America, and I think I will try it out some day.

    When a rich a country not only permits people from poor countries to settle there, but actively encourages it and pretends that their presence is a blessing, that is all the “structure” that is necessary to understand. This is perfectly obvious to everyone except deranged leftist faggots who will resort to every trick in the book multiple times over in order to avoid ever making concessions to reality.

    The vast amount of economic damage/theft is done by the highly rich.

    I have argued for “high” taxes in numerous posts on this site. Still, even if every dollar of tax were collected, it would not prevent lefty faggots from agitating for still more “equality.” They will never be satisfied. They are utter scum to a degree the most artful tax dodger will never approach.

    Also, tax dodgers at least make sense to me — they’re doing it for their own benefit. Why leftist faggots insist on wrecking their own societies in the name of quixotic, unattainable goals will, I suspect, forever a mystery.

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    , @songbird
  150. Following up on the Quantum Supremacy debate, here is IBM’s skepticism.

    Scott Aaronson, who has one of the best science-focused blogs on the internet (and who wrote a great book on quantum computing) also has a good take.

    John Prescott, who is a professor of theoretical physics at Caltech, also weighs in.

    Prescott is the guy who invented the term quantum supremacy, which means the threshold where quantum computers can do things classical computers simply can’t. Classical computers work on binaries, so 0 and 1. Quantum computers can be 1 and 0 at the same time. The higher the share of qubit – or Quantum Bits – a computer has, the higher amounts of states it can be in.

    Quantum computers comes from quantum physics, which creeped Einstein out (“spooky action at a distance”). It has massive implications. One of the more spergy ones would be cryptography. Quantum computers would be able to break even the most advanced cryptographic encryptions in almost no time at all, rendering a lot of economic value from conventional computing encryption methods worthless. It is easy to see why this area preoccupies DARPA.

    Just as interesting, perhaps, is that much of the blockchain, which is the underlying architecture that many of the cryptocurrencies are based on, such as Bitcoin, would be cracked very quickly. Though as Vitaly Butlerin, creator of Etherium points out, the blockchain would re-adapt to a world dominated by quantum supremacy, but there would be significant dislocation to those heavily invested in the cryptocurrencies based on classical computing in the transition phase.

  151. @silviosilver

    They are utter scum to a degree the most artful tax dodger will never approach.

    This is what I mean when I say right-wingers are stupid. You’re obsessed with optics. That one class is a far greater looter, just that they are doing their looting with the stroke of a pen (or, keyboard, to be more exact) is for you entirely exonorating even if the economic damage done to that society is orders of magnitude greater.

    Comments like this sort of makes me sympathetic to scammers. Their victims will even go out on a limb to defend their scammers’ practices as long as it’s done “artfully”, lmfao.

  152. @Thulean Friend

    Tax evasion serves a useful function in setting an upper boundary on the size of the state sector, which is too large in every single advanced country.

    I don’t consider the states that govern us to be legitimate anyway, so I’m hardly bothered when people evade tax payments. Certainly I seek to minimize the taxes I pay–within the boundaries of the law of course.

    I’m always amused and perplexed by the ordinary Scandinavian attitude on this question. Though I suppose there’s a problem in that tax evasion by the rich causes a shift to consumption and payroll taxation instead.

  153. This is a big deal. Parenthetically, I knew of Serbia’s increasing reliance on Chinese loans. That reliance is not going to lessen as the EU has all but slammed the door on the remaining Balkanoids outside the EU to join, leading Vucic to say (rightly) that he was correct in seeking closer ties with China and Russia. But I am surprised over Belarus. I’d thought their close relations with Russia would have meant much less reliance on China. Russia also has very large current account surpluses, which means it has much higher savings than investments, and those savings tend to find more productive use abroad, which is also why Russia is a non-trivial net creditor. Certainly not on China’s scale, but it stands to reason that Belarus, a nation it is bordered with and shares extremely close cultural and ethnic ties with, ought to be almost fully in Russia’s orbit.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @Dmitry
  154. @Dmitry

    I agree, but I do wonder about the HBD effects. It seems to be a South Asian phenomenom rather than a specifically Indian one, though Hinduism certainly seems more peaceful than Islam, I doubt religion plays a big role here. The most violent societies on earth are mostly Christian (LatAm, much of Sub-Saharan Africa). Doesn’t mean Christianity is a major factor.

    Then again, in Why Nations Fail, Robinson and Acemoglu put up the city of Nogales as a case study. The city is split in half, one side in the US and the other in Mexico. The Mexican side is much more violent than the US side, despite the demographics being the same. I generally disliked the book, but that example was powerful and hard to refute.

    Ron Unz has written about the comparably low crime rate of Hispanics in the US, and the statistical analysis underpinning his work is rigorous. So why are Hispanics so much more violent in their home countries than in the US? If HBD was a strong factor in crime, then it shouldn’t matter that much where they are, because genetics would win out. Yet the huge disparity in crime depending on geography is a hard argument to make for the HBD side. And why are Indians and South Asians relatively less crime prone compared to much richer developing countries, though not as safe as East Asian ones. The natural answer would be HBD, but it doesn’t explain the Hispanic crime puzzle. One answer should be logical across the spectrum and not just explain parts of it, if it is to be systematically coherent.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  155. @Thulean Friend

    We need a separate post, especially on the implications.

    • Replies: @adreadline
  156. @Pericles

    Pretty obvious I can’t enjoy peace.

    Celts, Slavs & Persian/Afghan are the only ones who get along with Sikh esp the two latter.

    R1A I guess.

  157. songbird says:
    @silviosilver

    I like the maxim “starve the beast.”

    Would the US be as messed up as it is now, if the federal income tax had never been passed? I tend to think not. Probably, it would have made military interventions such as Iraq and Vietnam impossible. I don’t think there would have been as much demographic change. For instance, it is doubtful that the state of Maine would opt to fly-in Somalis for settlement, but the Feds certainly do.

    I just don’t see the benefit of high taxes. IMO, Sweden was a pretty nice country before they got big government.

  158. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Go join the Army & start lifting/running.
    The Old Left was globalist towards non-whites, the new Left just added whites in to the mix.

    Not gonna say much more on a public forum.
    If there is an upcoming racial-civil war you’re not allowed to lose it.

    We need to be the last two standing so we can fight each other. 😉

    Also,

    Fk cow slaughter. The church banned you from killing horses and encouraged this.
    Moses began it, Khalsa will end it.

  159. Epigon says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Except Bosnia&Herzegovina and Montenegro are the dark Balkan areas, not Serbia. Even North Macedonia is darker than Serbia.
    Montenegro is a NATO member, North Macedonia will become a NATO member, B&H NATO efforts are blocked by Serbs, while Croats and Bosniaks/Muslims are wholeheartedly pro-NATO.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  160. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Also fuck those faggot Sikh just kill them.

  161. @Epigon

    I was talking about the EU, not NATO. Two seperate issues. You’re correct that Bosnia and others are even more dependent on Chinese loans but Serbia is certainly one of the more exposed countries in Europe. Belarus’ very high exposure remains a mystery. I am surprised Russia is so passive about it.

    Now that the prospect of EU membership is slowly fading away, will literal dykes like your PM be among the political losers? She and her ilk tried her best at importing Globohomo into Serbia.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  162. @Thulean Friend

    She and her ilk tried her best at importing Globohomo into Serbia.

    She probably won’t be, globo homo-ites hate her for lacking anal crusader zeal
    Globo Homo propaganda in Serbia is pretty tame, especially on the channels owned by pro-Vucic faction

  163. @Anatoly Karlin

    Syria as an unwelcome distraction from the Ukrainian theater though expressing lukewarm support for it

    The recent events there seem to confirm that it was a win for Russia
    With the benefit of hindsight, has your opinion on Syrian Intervention changed in any significant way?

  164. One of the ways that Meatless Monday has criticized beef production is through a misleading infographic claiming that it takes 10 bathtubs of water to produce a ¼-lb. burger. What the infographic does not disclose, however, is that 94% of the water “used” to make typical beef and 97% of the water used to make grass-finished beef is naturally occurring rainfall – rain that would have fallen whether or not that animal was grazing the grass.

    https://www.sacredcow.info/blog/beef-is-not-a-water-hog

    In theory this should be irrelevant, because even if beef were the destructive resource hog claimed by zogchow enthusiasts the issue could be addressed by restricting beef consumption to people like myself while providing zogchow to the global peasantry.

    Of course things don’t work that way.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Gabru_Ak47
    , @Gabru_Ak47
  165. @Amerimutt Golems

    I agree, and really would like to read what Karlin has to say about this, even if it’s marginally related to his artificial general intelligence predictions.

  166. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Lukashenko’s situation is a bit complicated and he is not as stupid as he appears.

    He depends a lot on Chinese investment, because China is happy to invest without climbing into the local political scene.

    He is trying to improve relations with the West, but he cannot open too much to the West, because Western countries (US, EU, etc) are condemning him as a dictator, sponsor NGOs to protest against him, etc.

    He cannot open too much to Russia, because the Kremlin complies with every opportunity to interfere in Belarus, and he is already parasitically dependent, economically, on Russia.

    So Belarus’s external policy is try to “hedge” between different power blocs, to keep some independence, while maintaining investment, and also not undermining local political stability.

    Aside from China, Belarus external policy focuses a lot on its relations to other small, “economically 2nd world”, non-aligned countries: Azerbaijan, Israel, Georgia, Ukraine, Turkey.

    Superficially his position looks a bit similar to Azerbaijan. But Azerbaijan has oil income, so they can maintain economy without worrying about their external relations.

    Lukashenko has more difficulty, because no oil – and so he has to rely a lot on foreign investors and is (unhappily for him) still vastly depending on Russia.

    bordered with and shares extremely close cultural and ethnic ties with, ought to be almost fully in Russia’s orbit.

    Logically Belarus should just be Russia, like Ukraine should be just Russia. But too many years have now passed, and so have changed already the local attitudes. There is already extreme Ukrainian style sensitivity that people write “Беларусь” not “Белоруссия”, or especially not “Белая Россия”.

    * His son is a very cultural person and speaks Chinese.

    Lukashenko has somehow persuaded the gullible Chinese investors to build an automobile factory there (Geely)

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  167. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Ukrainian style sensitivity that people write “Беларусь”

    By the way, can anyone read Chinese here?

    http://china.mfa.gov.by/ru/embassy/news/c7c2ffc0a40ebdf4.html

    • Replies: @Boris N
  168. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Thank you for the interesting info.

    On a completely unrelated note, do you know of a non-virus laden website where one can get FLAC files of Russian music? HDmusic doesn’t carry stuff like DDT, Krematoriy, etc (I like Russian rock of the 80s). Amazon does, but doesn’t have FLAC files).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  169. @AP

    There was a time when the West used to mock the East German athletic program of turning women into near-men via extensive hormone treatment.

    Now, the West has gone one better by turning men into ‘women’.

  170. @melanf

    Khmelnitsky is, to put it mildly, an ambiguous figure.

    • Replies: @melanf
  171. @Gabru_Ak47

    Sounds like the UK. The Conservatives are well supported by Asians.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
    , @LondonBob
  172. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    the issue could be addressed by restricting beef consumption to people like myself while providing zogchow to the global peasantry.

    And just when I had almost decided to vote for you to be Benevolent Dictator for Life.

    • LOL: Thorfinnsson
  173. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    Place which has a lot of FLAC is on soulseek.

    In general it’s best for classical music, but it seems some fellows on there are sharing albums from those groups.

    People share a mix of mp3s and FLAC uploads there. But ratio of people sharing FLAC is quite high on there.

    http://www.soulseekqt.net/news/node/1

    Alternatively, buy CDs and make your own FLACs from them (I do this sometimes because I live away from my home/CDs).

    • Replies: @AP
  174. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Thank you.

    So are FLAC files made from CDs equal in quality to FLAC files downloaded from sources like HDtracks in 192/24 sample rate (the highest quality they have)?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  175. @AP

    Fighting under the flag of under nations earns you literacy nothing, except maybe laughter when you’re dumb enough to use that as justification to claim shit

    • Replies: @AP
  176. @Dmitry

    Jewing Russians and the West against each other profiting from both is an ancient Belarusian tradition dating older than Finno Korean Hyper war and we have no intention to stop.

  177. AP says:
    @Belarusian Dude

    It earned Ukraine its south.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    , @Mr. XYZ
    , @Mr. Hack
  178. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    Interestingly enough, with hindsight, it might have been more prudent for Russia to settle Novorossiya exclusively with Great Russian peasants. At the very least, there would have been less risk of eventual separatism and autonomism that way.

  179. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    Also, as a side question, do you know why few Germans settled in central Ukraine and Belarus?

    https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fbpue2iwli3p21.png&hash=91df5c68d886163eb90a75c4e8bdadc5

    Ukraine’s far west and south both had a lot of Germans, but not its central regions. Meanwhile, no part of Belarus appears to have ever had a large German population.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Philip Owen
  180. EldnahYm says:
    @Thulean Friend

    One can simultaneously believe groups of people differ for genetic reasons in their propensity towards crime and still believe environment can have an impact. Putting Hispanics in a White created society where law enforcement is less corrupt and more effective is expected to reduce crime. In particular, putting criminals in jail(or executing them) would seem likely to reduce the crime rate, if only for the reason that you reduce or eliminate the ability of those individuals to commit more crimes.

    What would contradict the “HBD” idea is if minorities completely acted the same as White Americans if they were born and raised in the U.S. But we don’t see that. When you start seeing more Blacks as mayors, police commissioners, police officers, and civil servants, you see more crime and corruption.

    Under this framework one would also expect that as the share of Whites in the society declines, the crime rate is expected to go up eventually. Also implied in this is that the cost of keeping crime low goes up. This latter is a bit difficult to measure though. In some third world countries where corrupt police are a problem, measuring the amount the country spends on law enforcement or the number of officers is not going to be informative.

    I don’t know if anyone has given a systematic answer as to why some parts of Latin America have such high crime rates. One would have to start by explaining differences in crime rates between Latin American countries. It’s not a simple racial explanation in the sense that Blacks will not explain the high crime rate of Mexico or Central America, but at the same time, a high amount of Amerindian admixture will not explain why Peru, Ecuador, and and Bolivia have lower homicide rates than Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Venezuela, and Brazil. We can talk about other things besides race, like proximity to the U.S, the drug trade, etc. but I haven’t seen anything systematic here.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  181. Mr. XYZ says:

    I don’t know if anyone has given a systematic answer as to why some parts of Latin America have such high crime rates. One would have to start by explaining differences in crime rates between Latin American countries. It’s not a simple racial explanation in the sense that Blacks will not explain the high crime rate of Mexico or Central America, but at the same time, a high amount of Amerindian admixture will not explain why Peru, Ecuador, and and Bolivia have lower homicide rates than Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Venezuela, and Brazil. We can talk about other things besides race, like proximity to the U.S, the drug trade, etc. but I haven’t seen anything systematic here.

    What’s interesting is that, AFAIK, US Hispanics are relatively peaceful. Of course, it’s possible that there is regional variation in regards to this. For instance, it’s possible that parts of the US that have very low or no black admixture in their Hispanic population have lower Hispanic crime rates than parts of the US that have a higher amount of black admixture in their Hispanic population. I mean, Puerto Ricans have much more black admixture than Mexicans have, correct?

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  182. @Dmitry

    Thanks for a high quality comment. Just one bone of contention:

    Logically Belarus should just be Russia, like Ukraine should be just Russia. But too many years have now passed, and so have changed already the local attitudes. There is already extreme Ukrainian style sensitivity that people write “Беларусь” not “Белоруссия”, or especially not “Белая Россия”.

    Isn’t Ukraine a fundamentally different place sociologically speaking wrt its attitudes to Russia? AK loves trashtalking “svidomy” in Ukraine, but even he seems to concede that the odds of them joining Russia peacefully are extremely unfavourable. Whereas Belarus seems to be different, or at least it is talked about differently. Didn’t Putin and Lukashenko have a summit recently where they agreed on much closer integration economically? Putin has not been shy about his expectation of Belarus re-joining Russia. This would obviously be bad for a local oligarch like Lukashenko, who would lose out (and the coterie around him), but is it really accurate to say that Belarus is on par with Ukraine among the broad sections of society in “svidomy”? My impression is that they are much less antagonistic and a far better target for “peaceful annexation”. If that is correct, would a comparison with Ukraine really be valid in that sense?

  183. I’m glad I dismissed Thorfinnson on any financial advice. The guy is clueless.

  184. EldnahYm says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Puerto Ricans are more admixed with Blacks than Mexicans.

    It may be worth noting that the current low violent crime rates by Hispanics seems to be a recent phenomenon. Look at Table 6 of this paper:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831353/

    Mexican immigrants committed major offenses at more than double the next highest group(Italians), and about six times for most of the groups. This based on data from 1904.

    Hispanics do not have high rates of homicide in the U.S., but they are over represented among sex criminals.

  185. melanf says:
    @AP

    “As a result (battle of Khotyn), the Treaty was signed on October 8, 1621. …According to the Treaty, Poland refused Wallachia (in favor of Turkey), gave the Sultan the fortress of Khotyn, and had to pay 40 thousand ducats to Tatars.”

    And massive Turkish invasion was halted.

    That is poles were defeated but their defeat was not complete.
    The initial question is who fought more against the Turks, Serbs or “Ukrainians”. The answer is quite obvious-of course the Serbs. “Ukrainians” periodically fought with Turks as a part of the Polish and Russian armies, but Serbs fought more

    Saving Vienna in 1683 was “pathetic.”

    Through 7 years after 1683 began Northern war, where for several years population Polish Empire has declined with 8 million until 6 million (at least such figures cite in known me scientific publications). So yes the role of the poles in 1683 was pathetic – to be cannon fodder for the Austrians with a complete inability to protect their own country.

    • Replies: @AP
  186. melanf says:
    @Philip Owen

    Khmelnitsky is, to put it mildly, an ambiguous figure.

    This is Yuri Khmelnitsky, not Bogdan Khmelnitsky. Yuri Khmelnitsky first betrayed Moscow for the poles, then betrayed the poles for the Turks. As a result, the Turks executed him as a complete scumbag. This man is difficult to call ambiguous.

  187. @Thulean Friend

    That one class is a far greater looter, just that they are doing their looting with the stroke of a pen (or, keyboard, to be more exact) is for you entirely exonorating even if the economic damage done to that society is orders of magnitude greater.

    Saying I can understand them and that I consider them less damaging to society is hardly the same thing as “entirely exonerating” them. Doesn’t it make you question your own sanity to leap to such an absurd conclusion? (I mean, you are but a miserable leftard, but still…)

    I favor high taxes because I think a more equality society is, all things considered, a more pleasant society. I don’t favor high taxes because I consider them some kind of economic necessity. So, no, the fact that some people occasionally successfully evade taxes doesn’t particularly shake me up. It just suggests to me that enforcement and compliance mechanisms need some work.

    On the other hand, seeing scum class rioters running amok and being egged on by delusional lying leftards (who cannot help romantically viewing these outbursts as preludes to revolution) is profoundly disturbing to me. The dollar cost of the havoc they wreak is not my foremost concern.

  188. @Thulean Friend

    He is actually quite knowledgeable about financial matters. Being wrong on a prognostication is utterly immaterial (which is just as well, since it’s also utterly unavoidable).

  189. AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Central Ukraine remained under control of the nobles (so Commonwealth culture in these areas continued for decades under Russian rule – Kiev was minority but heavily Polish, last ethnic Polish mayor served in the 1890s), they didn’t permit it – also, it was densely settled so there was less room for colonists.

    Galicia, which was under Austria, was a different story.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  190. AP says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Several hisotircal differences between the two countries:

    1. There are about 3 times more Ukrainians than Belarussians. Bigger nation, more pride.

    2. Ukraine was part of Poland, Belarus part of Lithuania within the Commonwealth. Lithuania was more of a backwater. As part of Poland, Ukraine had a higher level of civilization prior to joining Russia (higher, at the time, than Russia itself) whereas Belarussia was lower. So there was more material for constructing a “lost Golden age” narrative in the 19th century. Also of course Kiev.

    3. Galicia. This region became part of Austria. Free of Russia., it involved an incubation and mass spread of the Ukrainian idea. Mass literacy and adoption of Ukrainian nationalist ideology. These ideas, funnily enough, were not local Galician ones but the work of exiles from the Russian Empire. But within Galicia they took root, were further refined and developed, and then exported as a mass movement back home. Belarus did not have such a thing – the whole country was part of Russia and the Russians obviously would not permit it.

  191. @Thulean Friend

    Tesla has had most of the non-China EV market to itself for years now, and all of the high-end market.

    This is now coming to an end. Recent high-end EV sales from Norway:

    The Mercedes Benz EQC goes on sale shortly, and the Porsche Taycan arrives next year. A flood of EVs across all segments of the market is coming.

    This will put pressure substantial pressure on Tesla’s marketshare and margins. Probably they’re trying to negotiate subsidies for the planned European gigafactory from an Eastern European country, which would be wise.

    We’ll see who’s clueless.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Dmitry
    , @Dmitry
  192. @Thulean Friend

    The problem with Belarus Svidomy is that “Rus” is in the name
    Using White Ruthenia is no help either, since Ruthenia is just a latinization of “Russia”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  193. songbird says:

    It is an open topic of debate here whether the fall of the Roman Empire has any real lessons for today. I’ve generally been in the camp that there are some lessons, albeit vague ones.

    But, I must say, I find the contention that we shouldn’t worry because “we haven’t had our Sulla yet” so extraordinarily bizarre that it could push me into the other camp out of spite.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  194. @Thulean Friend

    What you are describing here used to be called either “real socialism” or “fascism”, and these words have become haram .

  195. neutral says:

    https://www.rt.com/news/471550-russia-africa-summit-sochi/

    This is very dangerous, it will not be a short time from wanting to do business with Africa to being forced to have endless black immigration because not having this would be seen as racist and harming the Russian economy.

    • Replies: @songbird
  196. LondonBob says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Boris Yeltsin’s foreign minister must have be told to write that by his CIA handlers.

  197. LondonBob says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Gold, oil, Japan, China, Russia, Vietnam… So many investment choices.

  198. LondonBob says:
    @iffen

    Ron has been referenced by Niall Ferguson in the Sunday Times, the Unz Review is carefully quarantined. Although Steve pops here and there. Daily Stormer isn’t because it and Weev are obvious agent provocateurs.

  199. Epigon says:

    RT is staffed by certified imbeciles.

    https://www.rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/471699-serbia-kosovo-trump-meddling/

    On the day Russia brought S-400 and Pantsir-S to Serbia in order to participate in Slavic Shield 2019 military exercises, the morons at RT figured it was a good time to ask an explicit Euroatlantic, half-Bosniak Oxford and Harvard graduate, member of an explicit Euroatlanticist Democratic party and a FM who pursued euroatlantic integration policy for Serbia on the current affairs of Serbia and Serbian government.

    His main accomplice and chief of his staff is an American agent, Croatian graduate who was rapidly promoted and installed to destroy Serbian military during DS reign, Zdravko Ponoš.

    Local, Serbian Sputnik has had similar retarded articles and takes, but RT has truly outdone itself with this one.

  200. iffen says:
    @LondonBob

    Daily Stormer isn’t because it and Weev are obvious agent provocateurs.

    I give this a serious probability.

    We should never forget that the people molding reality are really smart and ususally know what they are doing.

    That said, I’m not sure that even if every literate person started reading TUR everyday, very much would change.

  201. LondonBob says:
    @Philip Owen

    Some Indians do vote Conservative but the reality is once an area goes Asian so does its MP go Labour. Look at Wolverhampton or NW London.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
  202. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    What about Volhynia? It had a lot of Germans and yet was under Russian rule until 1917-1918.

    • Replies: @AP
  203. @Thulean Friend

    …but even he seems to concede that the odds of them joining Russia peacefully are extremely unfavourable.

    That’s because Russia would never agree to this. Nobody in Russia wants to integrate millions of what are (effectively) poor third-world people with a third-world mentality.

    Not to mention that the decent fraction of Ukrainians are moving en masse to Russia anyways.

  204. @songbird

    But, I must say, I find the contention that we shouldn’t worry because “we haven’t had our Sulla yet”

    I don’t really understand what these references to Sulla are supposed to mean…Razib Khan always brings up Sulla when he’s whining about crazy liberals (probably to show off how erudite he is…he couldn’t translate a single Latin sentence though), but imo it makes zero sense, if the point is that Sulla was a “populist” reacting to left-wing excesses or whatever.
    Anyway, I don’t know if there are any lessons to be drawn from the fall of the Roman empire…even if one regards it as some sort of proto-globalism, nothing in it compares remotely to insanity like this:
    https://www.iom.int/news/first-iom-international-charter-flight-ethiopia-brings-154-refugees-new-homes-germany

  205. songbird says:
    @neutral

    China seems to be threading the needle so far. Though, there are obviously more blacks than any rational Chinese would like there.

    Of course, Russians are a different people, and I rather fear that ultimately they might have the same susceptibilities as Western Europeans.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  206. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    Since Soviet times, third-world (including African) students are always invited to study in Russia in certain universities. (Some of these students very badly behaved, at least in the past).

    They do not remain in Russia afterwards. They either go home to their countries, or they move to the West.

    If these African students are studying medicine, then after they a proportion of them will try to use the medical qualification to immigrate to Western countries like the UK. (They will not want to work as doctors in Russia).

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Philip Owen
  207. @Epigon

    Local, Serbian Sputnik has had similar retarded articles and takes, but RT has truly outdone itself with this one.

    Agree. I think Sputnik is overall better than RT, although not by too much.

    Anyway, have you seen Sputnik-Serbia’s recent interview with Aleksander Vucic?

    Any thoughts?

  208. AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    I dont think Volhynia had many Germans..

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  209. Dmitry says:
    @Epigon

    RT is at the top managed by intelligence agencies, and its aim is to use it as a psyop to reduce supposedly self-confidence of the Western populations in their government or politicians.

    It might even be competent in that level, tactically. But what is the strategic attainment? It annoyed more Westerners, and probably resulted in some similar anti-Russian propaganda.

    Karlin complains about anti-Russian propaganda in Western media, but then RT is anti-Western propaganda in Western media. It’s just a perfect balance of reciprocal inaccurate nonsense.

    For all the money (perhaps $12 billion so far), it should have been a positive channel that promotes tourism to Russia, and therefore would have return on investment.

    Alternatively, this channel could have been used to promote Russian language, trade, cultural and industrial exports.

    Instead, it just continues the negative side of Soviet external propaganda, but without the positive side (in the USSR, it would have used the channel to promote the country).

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Disagree: Korenchkin
  210. @LondonBob

    Daily Stormer isn’t because it and Weev are obvious agent provocateurs.

    I don’t understand why people think that the Daily Stormer are Feds. They were the first guys to be struck by internet censorship, and since then, the censorship has only gotten worse.

    I think the Daily Stormer just writes harsh truths on some matters that cause people to shill hard against it. I think Anglin writing the truth about women was one of the things that particularly got on the nerve of some cucks.

    Anyway, people should stop reading the Daily Stormer since they’re probably going to end up in prison for it pretty quickly in the near future …

    Never mind. Just realised that you take Niall Ferguson seriously …

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Thulean Friend
  211. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    FLAC files made from CDs should be lossless (so the quality will be equal to the CD quality).

    If there is a small downgrade in actual sound you hear (with the same audio equipment), it would be if the DAC components you are using to play from those FLAC files, are inferior to those inside your CD player. Or maybe something in what you are using to play it – like if the player is using Windows Mixer instead of WASAPI plugin.or ASIO plugin.

    To extract your CD, you can use ( http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/index.php/resources/download )

    If you are connected to the internet, they use a plugin which takes checksum from your extraction, and compares to a database of other peoples’ copies, to confirm your rip is accurate.

  212. Mr. Hack says:
    @Korenchkin

    Ruthenia is just a latinization of “Russia”

    Is it? Having researched this subject in the past (when I had more time), I came to the conclusion that the term “Ruthenia” in the premodern era stood for either Ukraine or Byelorus, and later almost exclusively to Ukraine as the nationalities diverged. This is not to say that you could not ever find reference to Russia as Ruthenia, but this was extremely rare and out of the ordinary. As far as I know, Russia, during the premodern era and before it became the “Russian Empire” was commonly and officially refered to as “Muscovy” and the “Grand Duchy of Muscovy”, respectively.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Korenchkin
    , @Denis
  213. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    It seems to be a reference built entirely on conceit. I find it strange on so many levels.

    On the macro level, Rome wasn’t even at its greatest historical extent yet, so arguably it hadn’t even entered into a real civilizational decline.

    Then there’s the military side: we don’t really have an analogous situation, of foreign-quartered armies in almost extreme isolation, with a consequent greater loyalty to their commander. US troops in Japan voice-chat with their families back in the States. This is to say nothing of the resiliency that better communications seem to give the establishment – von Stauffenberg’s plan failed.

    Then there’s the fact that he’s referencing a personality that lived over two millennia ago. Just one civilization out of many. And one man out of many, whose reforms were largely undone when he died, and whose civilization eventually fell. It does not seem to be an especially hopeful reference.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  214. LondonBob says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    The first time I heard of Daily Stormer was on here a year or two ago, never read it and have no intention of ever doing so.

  215. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Tesla is a very talented automobile producer, at least in terms of the original design of its products, although perhaps not its business knowledge or financial situation.

    I test drived Tesla Model X some time ago.

    It is a weird, but very cool. It is like a driving version of a Yamaha electric piano (if even has similar surfaces inside to an electric piano).

    Only problem is that the price is incredibly high. I will test drive Tesla Model 3 soon.

    Tesla Model X feels like it is designed for huge American families, while Tesla Model 3 is more suitable for young single people.

    I just think the prices even for Tesla Model 3 are too far high, and do no imagine that many young people will want to spend that much for a car, however cool it is.

    (Personally I am not planning to buy any car, just maybe will buy a bicycle.)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Thorfinnsson
  216. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    It seems strange to me that South Africa would send students to Russia. I mean, SA African whites were doing ground-breaking medical research, so it kind of gives the lie to the idea that they don’t have the institutions or the infrastructure. Of course, in a realpolitik way, there are only so many whites that they can exploit there, so it makes sense, on that level.

    I think some of the greatest civilization harm universities do is in educating foreign students. In the US, it is easy to see this because vast numbers want to stay by hook or crook, and there are pols claiming that anyone with a degree is desirable. But, of course, there are other examples of people who were sent back like Ho Chi Minh or Pol Pot.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  217. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    driving version of a Yamaha electric piano (if even has similar surfaces

    It had even the same fake wood inside as in the best Yamaha electric pianos.

    while Tesla Model 3 is more suitable for young

    I only test drived with Tesla Model X so far.

    But just from sitting in it Tesla Model 3 – the design seems quite brilliant, like the equivalent to the Nike Air Max 90 of cars.

    It is a bit uncomfortable and very Spartan though. It has no luxury inside and is obviously aimed for young people (just with an inappropriately high price for its targeted demographic).

  218. @Dmitry

    Tesla has revolutionized the automotive industry and developed one of the world’s strongest brands. While they do appear to have serious issues with quality and consistency, none the less Tesla owners are by far the happiest customers in the industry.

    My position has long been that these merits are insufficient to assure survival in one of the world’s most brutal and capital intensive industries. The recent apparently good quarter Thulean Friend referenced (SEC 10-Q report not yet released) also showed revenue to be down from last year (8% total, 13% automotive). Tesla is valued as a growth company, but its sales volume isn’t actually growing anymore. And now serious competition is arriving.

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4298583-going-believe-teslas-negative-growth-rates

    We’ll see what the future holds, but I predict that Tesla will end up being acquired by a non-German global OEM some time after this cycle ends.

    Note that Tesla is a very difficult company to evaluate because emotions are so strong on both the company itself and Elon Musk. A lot of the strong Tesla bulls and bears strike me as demented.

  219. @songbird

    Then there’s the fact that he’s referencing a personality that lived over two millennia ago.

    I think Khan’s point is that the progressive craziness in the US might eventually lead to a counter-reaction and the emergence of a strongman like Sulla who proscribes lefties…at least that’s how I interpreted it. But I agree with you, it’s a stupid comparison that doesn’t work, the conditions and issues are too different, there isn’t really any meaningful similarity between present-day right-wing populism and a figure like Sulla (whose aim seems to have been mostly shoring up the rule of the existing oligarchy, the opposite of populism).

    • Replies: @Matra
    , @Yevardian
  220. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    For most African countries, there are long agreements inherited from the USSR, where the African students are invited by Russia to study in certain universities, and Russia pays for the tuition and perhaps life costs (I didn’t research it).

    However, South Africa is obviously different, as it was historically an enemy of the Soviet Union. There must be some agreements signed in the 1990s or 2000s, as South Africa is now an important ally.

    SA African whites were doing ground-breaking medical research, so it kind of gives the lie to the idea that they don’t have the institutions or the infrastructure.

    Medical school in South Africa, could be similar to Israel, where it is only available and affordable for a tiny number of students.

    Israeli students (Arabs and Jews) have go to Moldova, Armenia, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Romania or Bulgaria, if they want to study medicine.

    Israeli medical school are very expensive and only accept small numbers of some few dozen students each year. Also the small places are limited further because they have affirmative action for Arab students and free tuition for immigrants.

    So now the majority of Israeli medical students cannot study in Israel, and can only afford to study in Armenia, Moldova, Ukraine etc.

    Ironically, Israel has a far better health system than those countries, but the young people are trained in places like Ukraine.

    For example, Israelis are all medical students in Czech Republic (even though Israel supposedly had its own universities)

    • Replies: @songbird
  221. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Think about by 2035, electric cars might possibly become quite mainstream.

    In 2035, Toyota or Ford, will sell electric cars.

    So by then, Tesla will not appear so exciting or special, and therefore able to set have such high prices as it does today.

    In their perspective, it seems quite sensible that they should try to expand as fast as possible now (even if unprofitably), while they are still distinguished from competing automobile products.

    but its sales volume isn’t actually growing anymore.

    When I visited the Tesla shop earlier this year, they only sold two cars (Model X and Model S – both extremely expensive), although they have a Model 3 on display (but you could not even test drive it then).

    Model 3 has started selling now though and I already saw some people driving them in my city.

    Tesla would be incredibly popular if the price was affordable to more than such a small minority of people.

  222. Mikhail says: • Website

    Trump Administration Ineptitude

    On the subject of Bill Taylor, this just came out:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/blob-strikes-back-90471

    Jives well with these thoughts I had expressed elsewhere:

    Re: https://audioboom.com/posts/7404624-ambassador-bill-taylor-s-burisma-connection-aaronkleinshow

    The above inked exchange is a follow-up to a conversation last week between John Batchelor and Aaron Klein.

    Bill Taylor replaced Marie Yovanovitch as US ambassador to Ukraine on the premise that the latter wasn’t loyal to the US president. Anyone familiar with Taylor is well aware that over the course of time, his comments aren’t in line with what Trump has said regarding Russian and Ukrainian related issues.

    The above linked video mentions the relationship between Taylor and David Kramer, relative to the Burisma funded Atlantic Council, which takes an anti-Russian leaning line and includes the CrowdStrike CEO.

    Kramer appears to want his involvement with the discredited Steele Dossier to be hushed up:

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/01/18/mccain-associate-dossier-judge-deposition/

    As previously communicated –

    Re: https://www.foxnews.com/shows/ingraham-angle (show of 10/18) &

    :

    The segments with Lee Smith and George Papadopoulos are somewhat related to this segment on the Atlantic Council-Burisma monetary ties, relative to Adam Schiff:

    https://audioboom.com/posts/7399707-the-notorious-ukrainian-burisma-is-atlantic-council-s-chief-funder-merging-financially-with-schi

    At about the 9:50 mark, reference is made to David Kramer, who leaked the bogus Steele Dossier against Donald Trump.

    Concerning Kramer and his involvement with (put mildly) factually challenged claims:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/10/17/geopolitical-realism-utilized-by-obama-and-trump/

    Excerpt –

    Regarding Ukraine, the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies, was the recent site of a top heavy idealistic anti-Russian and anti-Putin discussion, hosted by Charles Gati and dominated by David Kramer, who went unopposed. This gathering serves as an example of the kind of skewed views getting preferential treatment within prominent US based circles. The following concerns some (not all) of the inaccuracies stated at this event.

    Early into his talk, Kramer incorrectly asserts that prior to 2014, there was no call in the West for having Ukraine in NATO. Refer to point 23 in the April 3, 2008 NATO Bucharest Summit Declaration stating: “NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO.” This happened at a time when Ukraine was headed by the neocon and neolib preferred Viktor Yushchenko, who was succeeded by Viktor Yanukovych. In 2014, Yanukovych was essentially overthrown in a coup, after he signed an internationally brokered power sharing arrangement. Kramer and some others omit these realities. Instead, they offer the spin of a democratic process prevailing over undemocratic pro-Russian tendencies.

    Far from perfect, Yanukovych didn’t take the anti-Russian position as those succeeding him and Yushchenko. At the same time, Yanukovych sought a balanced approach between what the EU and Russia preferred. Russia indicated a willingness to hold three way (Russia, EU and Ukrainian) talks on managing Ukraine’s economic development. In contrast, the EU took a zero sum game, their way or the highway attitude. Prior to Yanukovych getting overthrown, polling revealed that Ukrainian public opinion was pretty evenly split on choosing between the EU and Russian economic preferences for Ukraine.

    The regime which immediately replaced Yanukovych included people who favored that Ukraine abrogate the agreement which granted a Russian military presence in Crimea. Following the overthrow of Yanukovych, there were a series of increased anti-Russian activities highlighted by yours truly in a July 7, 2014 commentary. Like it or not, there’s a pro-Russian element in Ukraine, which became understandably uncomfortable with some of the provocative acts taking place.

    With these thoughts in mind and contrary to Kramer, the conflict in the former Ukrainian SSR more closely resembles a civil war than foreign aggression. He’s unable to factually substantiate that the majority of the Donbass rebels aren’t from the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR. On this particular, academics Paul Robinson and Serhiy Kudelia, take issue with Kramer.

    Blaming Russia, Kramer brings up the shot down Malaysian airliner over eastern Ukraine. He omits the suspect investigatory process on that matter – thereby explaining the recently announced follow-up in Holland. Before the Malaysian airliner incident, some airlines on their own chose to not fly over the east Ukrainian war zone.

    Kramer flippantly mentions Russia’s 2008 attack in Georgia without mention that it was the Georgian government which attacked the disputed former Georgian SSR territory of South Ossetia. When discussing this war at CSPAN televised Capitol Hill situated Russia bashing wonk fests, South Ossetia’s and Abkhazia’s preference for Russia over Georgia typically gets sidestepped.

    Kramer and Gati exhibit an inaccurate bias concerning the Ukrainegate situation, covering the 2016 Democratic National Committee (DNC) collusion with the Kiev regime (to find dirt on the then Trump presidential campaign) and the suspect manner of the Bidens in Ukraine.

    Upon critical overview, the denial of a DNC-Kiev regime collusion isn’t convincing. Factually, it isn’t well established that Joe Biden and his son Hunter didn’t behave in a hokey way in Ukraine. Journalist John Solomon, has diligently researched this matter with findings that warrant an investigation of the Bidens. The October 11 Duran discussion, provides further debunking insight on the claim that the Bidens have been reasonably cleared of any wrongdoing.

    The opposition to Trump’s phone conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart lacks substance, thus explaining California Congressman Adam Schiff’s misrepresentation of that exchange. Schiff is on record for saying that he has proof of a direct collusion between Trump and the Russian government – something that isn’t followed up on during his frequent MSNBC and CNN appearances.

    Kramer’s expressed distaste for Crimea’s reunification with Russia flies in the face of reality. His rehashing as fact of a supposed comment that Putin made about Ukraine not being a state remains suspect.

    The Trump administration has noticeably increased US military assistance to the Ukrainian government – something that contradicts the image of Trump toadying to Russia. During Trump’s face to face meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the US head of state expressed the hope that Russia and Ukraine will improve their relations – a desire sought by many in these two countries with close historical and cultural ties. Say what you want about Trump, on Russian related matters, he appears more reasonable than his neocon and neolib leaning critics, with their hot air innuendo, which hasn’t and ultimately will not weaken Russia.

    At the direct link, the above excerpt has supporting links.

  223. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    As far as I know, Russia, during the premodern era and before it became the “Russian Empire” was commonly and officially refered to as “Muscovy” and the “Grand Duchy of Muscovy”, respectively.

    During that period, Ukraine wasn’t (at least to a considerable extent) used to describe the land now known as such. As for the above excerpt, I recall some documented references (at threads like these) showing that the Moscow dominated area was also referred to as Rus and Russia. At play perhaps is the issue of a muddying talking point. New York not being called the US doesn’t make it not a part of America.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  224. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Epigon

    I gather that the host of that show likes to have diverse views from her own. IMO, she and RT can at times do a better job confronting such folks as well as having on competent others (not yet on RT), whose input is more in line with the Russian consensus.

  225. @Mr. XYZ

    The wild lands were empty until wind pumps were imported from the US to provide water for draught animals. They were available for immigrants. Greeks, various Germans, Jews.

  226. @Thorfinnsson

    Cow slaughter is the core of judaic identity since Sacrifice is not considered violence.

    What is the point of you clamining to be a white nationalist, autistic finno swede?

    Puri Shankaracharya says in Rig Vedas meaning of Hindu is protector of Cow.

    Here is your fellow Anglo Autiste telling U worship of cow (and sword) is the CORE ARYA DHARMA

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  227. @German_reader

    Sulla overthrew the Senate on the ground that it was argumentative and indecisive. He made himself dictator. Others who have gone down the same route include:
    Octavian
    Cromwell
    Napoleon
    Mussolini
    Hitler

    Boris Johnson is currently employing similar arguments. I haven’t followed Trump’s relationship with Congress.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  228. @Gabru_Ak47

    I am not a video peasant and thus do not intend to click on your video.

    I don’t care about your weird religion or stupid food taboos. If you want to worship cattle go right ahead. My position is that all animals, including cattle, exist solely to serve human needs.

    Ruminant meat is the most nutritious food, and of all the ruminant meats beef is the most widely available and near to the best tasting.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Gabru_Ak47
  229. @Mr. Hack

    Russia as in “Land of the Rus”
    Or Rus-ia

    We Serbs call Russia: Rusiya (Русија/Русия)

  230. @Philip Owen

    He made himself dictator.

    And abdicated once he thought his restorative reforms (about matters like the composition of courts) were done, unlike all the other historical persons you mentioned. He also didn’t overthrow the senate (if anything he tried to ensure the power of the old nobility which traditionally dominated the senate), just fought a hostile faction which had started killing and persecuting his friends and allies during his absence in Asia minor.
    Not that it matters, I’m not even sure anybody apart from Razib Khan has used this weird comparison with Sulla’s life and regime which simply don’t resemble anything in our contemporary world.

  231. Matra says:
    @German_reader

    I think Khan’s point is that the progressive craziness in the US might eventually lead to a counter-reaction and the emergence of a strongman like Sulla who proscribes lefties

    Like Franco? Today his body was removed from the Valley of the Fallen to the cheers of most Spaniards, or at least it seems that way as his dwindling number of supporters apparently can’t even be bothered protesting. Meanwhile, I’ve read, that the Spanish media, influential artist/celebrities, and schools promote the idea that the Second Republic was glorious and that the Franco years were
    a dark age. (Even before Franco died intellectuals and artists were mocking his government and promoting leftism without any consequences). Catholics on twitter are crying about Republican atrocities and boo-hoo nobody remembers them, it’s just not fair! The image of the Franco years are now weaponised to ensure a leftist future. As usual the Right ends up losing. A Franco or a Sulla- in the way Razib appears to mean – would be great for a few decades, but there is little to suggest the Right are capable of winning.

  232. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    We weren’t discussing the nomenclature “Ukraine” but were discussing the term “Ruthenia”.

    Can you point to an example when Russia, historically, was ever referred to as “Ruthenia”?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  233. @Matra

    and schools promote the idea that the Second Republic was glorious

    So glorious that policemen (!) could decide to kidnap and murder the leader of the opposition party, with the government then reacting to this incident with arrests of other rightists, not with an attempt at reconciliation or moderation of its own side (as bad as the Spanish right undoubtedly often was, one has to remember what the incident which triggered the civil war reveals about the nature of this “democratic” regime). But I suppose that’s in line with the “antifascist” consensus which dominates most Western countries today. And of course the establishment “right” is complicit in reinforcing this consensus.

  234. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Okay, you can again count on my vote.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
  235. neutral says:
    @Matra

    Post ww2 Spain fell under the sphere of the the US regime, so basically the international jew. For the right to win would require ending the international jew, everything else will end up as things are now.

  236. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    Apparently there were about 150,000 Germans in Volhynia on the eve of World War I:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia#World_War_I_and_the_German_settlements_in_Volhynia

  237. @Thorfinnsson

    Stupid fucking christcuck.

    This is an ancient Aryan tradition all across Europe, India and the ancient world.

    Your position on animals is bibical gayshit and includes you, Goyim.

    Muslims and Jews have a food taboo that’s why they kill pigs but leave the corpse to rot.


    NORSE LITERALLY SAY A COW GAVE BIRTH TO THE UNIVERSE AND HERE YOU ARE WITH THE NAME THORFINNSSON REJECTING IT!

    Nigga, we more saying all the Pagang is gonna kill you this is beyond just Hindu Pajeets.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  238. @iffen

    Two faggots don’t make a kid, and the vote of two faggots doesn’t make a Kingdom||

    • Replies: @iffen
  239. @Matra

    The Right forgets that one hand must hold a rosary, and the other a Sword.

  240. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    I would say that the colonization of the Ukrainian south, the steppelands, was already in effect before the Russians got involved. The Zaporozhian Sitch, and other cossack strongholds in the southern lands were a big first step in this direction.

    • Replies: @AP
  241. AP says:
    @melanf

    “As a result (battle of Khotyn), the Treaty was signed on October 8, 1621. …According to the Treaty, Poland refused Wallachia (in favor of Turkey), gave the Sultan the fortress of Khotyn, and had to pay 40 thousand ducats to Tatars.”

    And massive Turkish invasion was halted.

    That is poles were defeated but their defeat was not complete.

    When a massive invasion is stopped, this is usually not considered to be a defeat. As a consequence of the failed invasion, Ottoman Empire was stopped, it failed to expand further north of the Black Seas, and Ottoman Emperor himself was eventually killed during the struggle that directly began as a result of this failure.

    The initial question is who fought more against the Turks, Serbs or “Ukrainians”.

    I didn’t say who fought more. Serbs fought more, but lost a lot.

    I wrote “Ukrainians did more to stop Turks than Serb ever did.”

    I was wrong, in that I didn’t consider the Serbs fighting for Hapsburgs. Their contribution was indeed substantial.

    So Ukrainians did more to stop the Turks than did Serbia, which was basically just owned by the Turks for centuries. Ukrainians as members of the PLC stopped the Turks from spreading further north of the Black Sea into eastern and central Europe.

    Saving Vienna in 1683 was “pathetic.”

    Through 7 years after 1683 began Northern war

    Stay focused, don’t get distracted by your Polonophobia. We were discussing stopping the Turks. The PLC forces which included Ukrainian troops stopped the Turks at Vienna, thereby saving central Europe.

    Vienna and Khotyn did more to stop the Turks than did any action by a Serbian state. Ukrainians played a minor role at Vienna but a major role at Khotyn.

    • Replies: @Denis
    , @melanf
  242. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Correct, the Zaporozhians settled about 150,000 Ukrainian peasants on their territories prior to the Russian takeover. but these did not extend all the way to the Black Sea, they were roughly in modern Dnipropetrovsk region, the area in dark purple:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  243. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    Israeli medical school are very expensive and only accept small numbers of some few dozen students each year.

    I think there is a large amount of gatekeeping in the medical industry to drive down supply and drive up costs. This varies by country and political situation. In some countries, it requires only 4 years to become a doctor, and part of the reason for this is that people would revolt, if the supply got any lower or medical services any pricier.

    I’m pretty skeptical that a doctor really needs to have 11-14 years training. Honestly, maybe I am crazy, but 99% of the time, I think I would rather have the valedictorian of his high school, with two years of training in a specialized field. Anyone with a 100+ IQ would know which field they needed.

    The actual situation in the US is pretty insane. In many cases, you have to see a general doctor first, who will do nothing but refer you to a specialist. Often, you cannot take any kind of test even, without a prescription.

    The TFR of doctors must be terrible.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
    , @Dmitry
  244. iffen says:
    @Gabru_Ak47

    Faggot power! Up your ass dickhead.

  245. @Thorfinnsson

    That’s literally the level of predictable response, I’d expect from a merchant.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  246. @songbird

    Most doctors use google & high school biology..

    • Replies: @songbird
  247. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    As I wrote, this penetration was just a start. A great many of the later inhabitents in the areas settled during the Empire period were also Ukrainians, probably a good share (but not all) from the earlier Zaporozhian settlements. Even Odessa, had more of a Ukrainian influence in its inception than many might know about. Ulichian and Tyvertsian tribal presence was already known during the Rus period there. Without a doubt, the villages surroundg Odessa have retained their Ukrainian flavor for centuries. Speaking of flavor, I see that Thorfinnsson is cooking up some nice looking steaks for dinner…yum. 🙂

  248. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    It’s surprising that millions of American students (not only in medicine) are not yet flooding to universities in Moldova, Ukraine, Armenia, Romania, Russia, Georgia, etc.

    Consider universities in those countries could provide English language degrees if each American student would pay them tuition fees around $2000 each year ($3000 for medical degrees), or possibly less.

    In addition, living students’ costs could be only $2000 each year in these countries. So a total cost for the American student could be $4-5000 (excluding plane tickets) each year, while by comparison, studying in an American university can cost $50,000 each year?

    A few cities like Lvov or Odessa, could even provide a “European atmosphere” for American students.

    Finally, for countries like Ukraine, Armenia, Moldova, Georgia – having a flood of American students, would maybe the only way they could create a large future public in America that supports their countries.

    It’s strange this has not happened already – as American students are reportedly so destroyed by student debts.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  249. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    flood of EVs across all segments of the market is coming

    One disadvantage is if buy EVs from these other automobile producers will not have access to Tesla’s fast charging station.

    Tesla has its own fast charging stations distributed across the countries it sells cars, so you don’t have to worry if your battery is low in the countryside.

    (Although likely another temporary advantage of Tesla, as by 2035, there will probably be government supported programs to build fast charging stations for EVs all over the countrysides.)

  250. Denis says:
    @AP

    So Ukrainians did more to stop the Turks than did Serbia, which was basically just owned by the Turks for centuries. Ukrainians as members of the PLC stopped the Turks from spreading further north of the Black Sea into eastern and central Europe.

    What a bunch of semantic nonsense.

  251. Denis says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The origin of the term Ruthenia was indeed a latin word for lands inhabited by the Rus, meaning East slavs.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  252. Denis says:
    @AP

    Let me clarify, I have nothing against the guy, and I find his articles interesting, although I find his writing style to be a little too much at times.

  253. Denis says:
    @AP

    Let me clarify, I have nothing against the guy, and I find his articles interesting, although I find his writing style to be a little too much at times.

  254. Yevardian says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I presume Belarus has been arranged to be reabsorbed into the Russian Federation after Lukashenko dies, perhaps as an autonomous Republic with his family staying in a favourable position.

  255. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    Sulla wasn’t a populist figure in any sense at all, he came from an extremely old Patrician family that had fallen on hard times. He was a reactionary plain and simple, he only sought to undo all the land and debt reforms of the Gracchi brothers, at a time when when the traditional core of the Roman citizenry was being crushed by debt and the influx of slave labour. Sulla had no vision or much desire for power himself, and after a wholesale massacre of any opponents to the Senatorial Oligarchy and rewriting the Constitution, he retired.
    The closest modern parallel to Sulla is someone like Pinochet or Papadopoulos, tools of moneyed interests with little imagination themselves.
    Julius Caesar was certainly a populist, but he was assassinated before he could address any of Rome’s deep structural problems. After him Augustus, and the eventual sinking of the Greco-Roman world into harsh primitive Feudalism, until it collapsed.

    Actually, many of the classic sources for this era are in German, if you’re interested.

  256. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    Right-Wing populism is essentially an oxymoron until very recent times, it’s only been the rapid progress of insane social attitudes that have alienated working people from traditional ‘left’ economic concerns. Though intended as a red herring, unfortunately some of these movements are so disgusting or out-of-control (like the child transgenderism push) that there is not even any ‘least bad’ option left.

    Even when peasants of many states across Europe supported the Aristocracy against the Bourgeoisie, this was because usually, the Upper-Class at least commonly possessed a sense of noblesse oblige compared to the Mercantile Class, who were completely disconnected from the agrarian concerns (i.e, 80-90% of the population).
    You can see how Britain possessed probably the worst working-conditions for ordinary people in all of Europe in the early Industrial Age, because the mercantile and land-owning class essentially merged, instead of the process playing out in centuries of intense conflict between the 2 orders, as in France and Germany.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @LondonBob
  257. songbird says:
    @Gabru_Ak47

    A lot of people’s interactions with doctors essentially involve them typing into a computer program. I say, cut out the middle man.

  258. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    There’s a lot of anxiety in the US that a foreign degree is somehow useless or won’t translate into the same job prospects. I don’t know how true it may be in general, but I would guess it might be hard to go to medical school overseas and become a doctor here.

    The cost of college in the US is stunning. I would say that it is now greater than $50,000 a year at many schools, though not all. The bill for even a state school over here would probably give the average Western European a heart attack. I’m a big believer that it is gigantic bubble and that everything that can be done to burst it is positive.

    Going to school in Eastern Europe would probably have a lot of attractions, such as less diversity and SJWs. One of the bad things about college in the US is that you are often required to take classes that meet diversity requirements (they have ideological curriculums.) You are paying for a lot of parasitism, if you go to school in the US.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  259. EldnahYm says:
    @Dmitry

    I’m not a fan of hate crimes as a category, but there is something deeply offensive about ugly people killing attractive people.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  260. @Yevardian

    Right-Wing populism is essentially an oxymoron

    It’s still an oxymoron when one thinks (as I do) that Trump is basically a conman who won’t do anything for his base except providing them some meaningless entertainment with his Twitter antics. Similar with Johnson, Farage etc. in Britain who in all probability have a rather different vision from pro-Brexit voters in Northern England and might well regard the latter as stupid proles in need of more Thatcherite “reforms”.
    It’s maybe a bit less pronounced in continental Europe, but you’ve got the same issues there, e.g. FPÖ in Austria under someone like Norbert Hofer has been criticized for a pro-business stance which is actually against the interests of many of their core voters, also a problem with segments of the AfD in Germany.

    Actually, many of the classic sources for this era are in German, if you’re interested.

    You mean Mommsen, Gelzer etc.? tbh my dominant impression has always been that there are huge uncertainties about the history of the late Roman Republic since there just isn’t any good data about the land question or the number of slaves. iirc the sources for the time of Marius and Sulla are also limited and late (Plutarch, Appian), since most of the late republican historians have been lost, so it’s difficult to really form a coherent picture of Sulla and his programme.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    , @songbird
  261. Mr. Hack says:
    @Denis

    No doubt it was a latin inspired word, but was it accurate reflecting the reality of how the various segments within the Rus Empire actually viewed themselvesf?

    So, I’ll pose to you the same question that I originally posed to Mikhail, only I’ll expand it a little bit and make it even harder to answer:

    Can you point to an example when Russia, historically, was ever referred to as “Ruthenia”? Specifically by Russian chroniclers or historians when refering to themselves or to their own history or territories (of the north)?

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    , @AP
  262. @Mr. Hack

    What’s the confusion
    Russia and Ruthenia both meant “Land of the Rus”
    The Bolsheviks changed it so Great Russians were just Russians

    • Replies: @AP
  263. AP says:
    @Korenchkin

    What’s the confusion
    Russia and Ruthenia both meant “Land of the Rus”

    Sure, but which Rus? At different times Ruthenians referred to different Ruses. In the 15th century it was used for all people of Rus, including those we now call Russians. Eventually it referred to Rusyns, a Rus people who were not Russians, people who later mostly switched to being called Ukrainians..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia

  264. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Can you point to an example when Russia, historically, was ever referred to as “Ruthenia”?

    Wiki has examples:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia

    “Danish diplomat Jacob Ulfeldt, who traveled to Russia in 1578 to meet with Tsar Ivan IV, titled his posthumously (1608) published memoir Hodoeporicon Ruthenicum[8] (“Voyage to Ruthenia”).[9]”

    At some point, in Western languages the western Rus people (Ukrainians and Belarusians) were Ruthenians (the Latin word for Rus) while Russians/Muscovites were referred to as Russians (the Greek version).

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  265. US propaganda is getting really desperate.

    Neckbeard gamers rise up! Defeat the evil ROG!

    • Replies: @songbird
  266. @German_reader

    It’s maybe a bit less pronounced in continental Europe, but you’ve got the same issues there, e.g. FPÖ in Austria under someone like Norbert Hofer has been criticized for a pro-business stance which is actually against the interests of many of their core voters, also a problem with segments of the AfD in Germany.

    I’ve raised this issue in previous comments: why is it that it is so difficult to get a party that is right-wing on social issues but left-wing on economic issues, which would appeal far more to the working-class and lower-middle class base that tend to vote for these parties (often disaffected social democrat voters etc).

    It’s one thing if it was an issue in one western country but I can’t find a single major right-wing populist party with this combination in the West. AfD’s lolbertarian retardation is just another feather in the same cap. Lega Nord’s obsession with a flat-tax is a complete non-issue for most of their voters, now that they are a 30%+ party. Baudet in the Netherlands suffers from the same disease.

    Sweden Democrats used to somewhat have this platform I am talking about some years ago, but they’ve moved left on social issues (“open swedishness”) and right on economics (voting more and more with the neoliberal parties). That has put a cap on their growth, but their treatment in the MSM is 10X better today than it was 5-10 years ago. I don’t think these two trends are unrelated. There is massive institutional pressure on these parties to evolve like this, because it constraints their growth rate. The leaders of these parties are either too stupid or too corrupt to care. Probably mostly the latter.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  267. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    I don’t understand why people think that the Daily Stormer are Feds.

    Mostly because they spend most of their time shit-stirring internal drama. Anglin is famous for starting fights with others, he dedicates more energy to smearing all kinds of people in the “movement”. And weev is a literal jew. I wasn’t exactly surprised that he had begun yet another fight but with TRS this time. Except those people are rising in influence and he is declining.

    There’s substantial suspicion that he is starting these fights to divide the movement on the orders of his handlers, because he is doing a lot more damage than good. I started to see a lot more attacks on the chans against TRS a few months ago which magically coincided with DS attacking them too. Notice again that TRS did not have any beef with DS. The attack just started out of the blue, just as with all the previous of Anglin’s attacks.

    London bob is correct, the emerging concensus view is that they are agent provocateurs who are starting these drama episodes unilaterally on the orders of their handlers. The positive outcome is that he is losing influence rapidly. Oh and did I mention weev is a literal jew? Anglin is toxic.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  268. Epigon says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I’ve raised this issue in previous comments: why is it that it is so difficult to get a party that is right-wing on social issues but left-wing on economic issues, which would appeal far more to the working-class and lower-middle class base that tend to vote for these parties (often disaffected social democrat voters etc).

    Do you want a brown or a black uniform?

    The ideology you describe is the polar opposite of social liberal-economic conservative Globohomo behemoth.

    You can’t explicitly propose a traditionalist/ethnic nationalist/paternalist party ideology and get away with it these days.

    We would have to fight a very bloody war with an uncertain outcome against the combined Anglo-Atlanticist & Socii might for the right of establishing such societies once more.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  269. Epigon says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Anglin is toxic, but Anglin is correct.
    American “right” is cancer, in every form – Europeans should distance themselves as much as possible from USA politics and “ideologies”.

    There is nothing “right” in US “right”. From Boomer Zionists, over Conservatism Inc, to “Christian” sectarian tards, to Catholic race-and-ethnicity-blind zealots, all the way to Civic Nationalists and cosplaying FBI “Nazi” “KKK” tards and torch carrying, degenerate and self-indulgent gymbros and meme afficionados.

    Right is either based on ethnic nationalism, cult of tradition and heroic struggle of the past or on hierarchy, moralist and paternalist attitudes.
    USA is the polar opposite of both – an ever more heterogeneous society of mutts fueled by materialism, hedonism and avarice irreversibly contaminated with liberalism and individualism.

    If European nationalism is to survive, USA must fall – hopefully Britain will fall as well.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  270. LondonBob says:
    @Yevardian

    Reading too much Commie pseudo history, working conditions were fine, that is why there was little to no unrest.

  271. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    You did bring up the matter of when Russia was referred to as such – something that I followed up on.

    As for your other point: based on my prior understanding and in conjunction with a quick follow-up perusal, the term “Ruthenia”/”Ruthenians” comes across as an exonym, that has been used to describe non-Great Russian peoples of an eastern Slavic Rus background. Hence, it’s not synonymous with Russia, or for that matter Rus.

  272. @Gabru_Ak47

    You are the new Gerard12. God bless your soul.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  273. LMAO, the neckbeard gamer propaganda is reaching new heights! Apparently you can play as a woke kurdish wahmen fighter in the new CoD.

    (click to enlarge)

    I remember reading stories of the Pentagon funding various B-action movies in the 1980s. Is this the follow-up for the 21st century?

  274. @Epigon

    You can’t explicitly propose a traditionalist/ethnic nationalist/paternalist party ideology and get away with it these days.

    Orban is certainly balancing on the line. His economic policy is multi-layered. On the one hand, he lowers the corporate tax rate but he also invests more for families to start having more kids. PiS in Poland is even more pro-family and their economic policy is more social democratic, which is why they are popular. But their immigration policy is extremely liberal, contrary to their rhetoric. The only area where they are “far-right” immigration is refugees. But the same is true of Orban, who is also dramatically loosening work migration controls after getting public pressure from various oligarchs.

    I think a more deeper critique is the idea of capitalism itself and the notion of “infinite growth” which is predicated on infinite population growth. Other than Israel, whose fertility is linked to very high religousness, I see no advanced country which is going to replace itself, let alone have higher fertility. So if the economy needs to grow infinitely then it means you have to start importing people. Therefore, any serious critique of endless immigration must necessarily involve critique of capitalism and the tight links to neoliberalism.

    Today, I see virtually zero critique of capitalism on the right and most of it is on the left. That wasn’t always the case. There was a lively intellectual right – as hard as it is to imagine today – back in the early 1900s in the US which was both skeptical of capitalism and pro-environment. Many national parks in the US were created by people who were also supporters of immigration restrictionism. Madison Grant was a noted environmentalist.

    But the right-wing today, including the far-right, are complete idiots in comparison.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  275. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Once again, this appelation was used by somebody who was an outsider, not somebody who we would label today as either Russian or Ukrainian. In their own time, a Muscovite wold rarely refer to himself as a “Ruthenian” (Rutentsi or Rusyn). I think that Mikhail has made this separation quite well in his comment #291:

    the term “Ruthenia”/”Ruthenians” comes across as an exonym, that has been used to describe non-Great Russian peoples of an eastern Slavic Rus background. Hence, it’s not synonymous with Russia, or for that matter Rus.

    I would bet that whenever you come accross the term “Ruthenia” or “Rutentsi” you immediately think “Ukrainian” or perhaps even “Ukrainians & Byelorusians” but never “Russians”.

    • Replies: @AP
  276. The persistent issue of negative (real) yields and negative (real) interest rates as far as eye can see is pushing even normally cautious Germans into unchartered waters. What a time to be alive. Also hilarious to see the large sovereign wealth funds struggle with the same issues as a private citizen like myself, although on a much larger scale.

  277. From /pol/

    >Russians throwing GLASS JARS of chlorine gas at civilians
    >Most stereotypical evil Russian man in Telnyashka and Gorka strangling children to death and bringing kids to get raped or some shit.
    >Russians just hosing toddlers
    >Russians bombing civilian areas and hospitals
    Not pictured in this video:
    >”They call it ‘The Highway of Death’, it’s where all of the civilians trying to escape were killed by the RUSSIANS
    >meanwhile in real life, COALITION FORCES leveled retreating Iraqis for days on Highway 80
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death
    >Russians hanging women and men alive to “make an example out of them”
    >Russians producing chlorine gas to use in Syri-sorry-“Uzrikistan”
    >FSA shown helping get people to safety in fictionalized version of Benghazi raid (lmfao)
    After an attack on a Russian military base, you (CIA ZOG operative and FSA strong womyn) corner three guys in a building and can hear them crying that they’re going to end up on LiveLeak getting their heads cut off. It’s so funny, I almost feel like there is some infighting with the writers because there are a few self-aware lines like that but the main story revolves around Russians murdering women and children and the fictional FSA being the group of angel-like crusaders of justice. Also the only difference between the fictional FSA and the fictional ISIS is the color of their bandannas, maybe referring to the fact that they’re the same fucking thing.

    YIKES.

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Yevardian
  278. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    Apparently for the first time ever Russians have a more positive view of Ukraine, than Ukrainians have of Russia. Russians really love that Ukrainians voted for Ze. Also, the improvement of Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia has stalled:

    KIIS? Are these the same cretins, even worse than Levada Centre for Russia ,who retardedly go around claiming in 2001, only 25% of people in Kiev speak Russian? When walking around the centre of Kiev the number is closer to 100% ( with the same for shop/advertising signs) – to be then propagated by cluless spamtrolls as yourself , who can’t even speak the language

    The numbers show overall in 18 months increasing positive sentiment and an unmissable upward trend towards Russians from Ukrainians you idiot……Russia increase is because ( probably misplaced) enthusiasm for Zelensky coming in place of the useless Poroshenko. That is the exact time for the spike. As usual, you are lying or distorting the picture , completely.

    If Ukrop elect a guy ( laughably their second jew in succession, and they have had a non-Jewish PM for about 20 seconds), who first earned his fortune in Russia, presented many popular shows in Russia, who has to go to Russia to see all his films as some of them are banned in the country he is president of ( country 404 in its essence!) , he has just starred in his own show as a ( Russian-speaking) guy who becomes President of Ukropia with a likeable character ..and , at the time, was making positive signals towards Donbass – then of course the hope is going to create positivity you clown.

    Ukrainians attitude towards themselves is of course, tragicomically dropped off a cliff LOL.
    As if asking Ukrainians wasn’t enough to ascertain this, or the stats on mass emmigrations and the collapsing infrastructure there is also……….the World Happiness Report/Index…..138th position out of 156.

    In a dogfight with Eritrea, Burkina Faso and Guatemala!!

    Even allowing for limitations in this or any study, fortunately Russians/Ukrops are identical people with same culture and mentality, so Russian ranking can be used as a relevant guide ( about 55-65th place)to the validity of Ukropia’s slide into the sewer

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @AP
  279. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    In their own time, a Muscovite wold rarely refer to himself as a “Ruthenian” (Rutentsi or Rusyn). I think that Mikhail has made this separation quite well in his comment #291:

    “Ruthenian” was the Latin word so he would not. He would refer to himself as a Russki. A Ukrainian would refer to himself as a Rusyn or a Rusnak, and to a Russian as a Moskal. So old Volhynian Chronicles referred to a war between PLC and Moscow as Poles + Rus fighting against Muscovites.

    I would bet that whenever you come accross the term “Ruthenia” or “Rutentsi” you immediately think “Ukrainian” or perhaps even “Ukrainians & Byelorusians” but never “Russians”

    Correct, because that’s how it’s been used for the past 200 or so years But before that Ruthenia was applied to all of Rus.

  280. AP says:
    @Gerard2

    KIIS? Are these the same cretins, even worse than Levada Centre for Russia ,who retardedly go around claiming in 2001, only 25% of people in Kiev speak Russian?

    No.

    If Ukrop elect a guy ( laughably their second jew in succession

    Poroshenko was not a Jew.

    Russia has had 3 Jewish Prime Ministers. Ukraine has had one, plus one Jewish president.

    he World Happiness Report/Index…..138th position out of 156.

    This index claims that Finns are the happiest people in the world. And that Armenians and Georgians are almost as “unhappy” as Ukrainians.

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  281. @Thulean Friend

    Gerard12 may frequently insult other commenters, but at least he seems to be of sound mind. That Indian comes across like a lunatic. Actually most of the Indian commenters (“Singh” a long time ago, also many others) on AK’s blog come across like crazies. Is it always the same guy under different names or are Indians really that demented?

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  282. @Thulean Friend

    If I understand correctly, those Call of duty games have always been American propaganda, but wow, that really seems to be a new low. Would be interesting to know if this is really merely something produced by private business…I wonder if it will work though on the kind of people who play those games. Do white teenage boys in American suburbs (I assume that’s a large part of the target audience) really care about alleged Russian nastiness to Muslim Arabs?

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  283. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    I find it hilarious, when Scrooge dives into his gold. Probably worse than diving into lead.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  284. @Epigon

    hopefully Britain will fall as well.

    I don’t agree with that, imo it’s very regrettable that Britain seems to be drifting ever more into the American orbit. US cultural influence has been pernicious for Britain as well.
    I agree though about the US, European right-wingers need to realize that the US is hostile towards their interests (that very much includes Trump and his ilk imo), it’s pathetic when they still try to bash lefties for alleged “anti-Americanism”.

  285. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Often, in the old days of entertainment, they used to make up countries, so as not to offend any nationality. In this vein, I think globalists make underutilized villains. One artistic problem is that they speak English – not threatening-sounding to the Anglosphere – but this can be alleviated with a bit of artistic license, by making them speak Esperanto.

    I’d like to play a geo-strategic game, where you are fighting the poz. Each time you loose a country its border is dissolved, and it becomes part of the rainbow-colored mass.

    • Replies: @neutral
  286. neutral says:
    @songbird

    Strangely enough they don’t use Al Qaeda but Al Qatala instead.

  287. @German_reader

    It used to be crazier
    Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare had US Marines invading an unnamed ME country (Satellite footage zoom shows it somewhere around Iraq iirc) to overthrow evil dictator Al-Asad (yes really) with a secondary plot about a Russia in Civil War and SAS and USMC trying to stop Russian Nationalists (who are bizarrely led by a Black guy with a Chechen name) from stealing a Nuke
    Someone sets off a Nuke in NotSyrias capital and kills 30 000 US marines stationed in the city, in the secondary plot the Russian Nationalists launch an ICBM at something but it’s thwarted by the SAS and USMC and the Chechen is killed by the player, the player character is the last man standing of the unit

    In Modern Warfare 2 we find out that the Nationalists won the war, this told by showing footage of the Nationalists building a monument to the Black Chechen, with the Sigil of the Soviet Union on it and with the text “Imran Zakhaev, hero of the New Russia” (yes, really)
    The inciting incident revolves around the CIA sending a US army ranger to infiltrate a Russian Terrorist organization which plans to commit false flag attacks on Russian soil and trigger a war, instead the glowies fuck it up and the false flag is successfully pinned on the Americans
    This was the notorious “No Russian” mission, where the character plays a US army ranger working for the CIA and is shooting people at a Russian airport, in Russia this mission was omitted while German and Japanese versions had you fail the mission if you shoot a civvie (cops trying to stop you are A-okay tho)
    Then we get a recreation of the opening of Red Dawn with Russian paratroopers landing in the US and the Russian Navy attacking the East and West coast simultaneously
    It turns out in a plot twist that the US General who was leading you orchestrated all of this in order to get revenge for getting 30 000 of his men killed in NotSyria and he tries to kill you
    But wait, the British SAS Captain from the first game is alive and he helps you escape and kill the bad general

    Modern Warfare 3 starts off with Delta Force breaking out of a siege in New York and commandeering a Russian nuclear sub, they use it to annihilate the Russian army and navy who are still invading the US
    The Russian President is kidnapped on his way to peace negotiations and now you gotta chase after his kidnappers
    During an MI6 shootout with some unnamed terrorists in London we find out that gas attacks have been planned all across Europe, the attacks go off and the Russian Army invades Europe
    This is the most insane plot point yet, they invade all of Western Europe simultaneously, as in Russian Tanks are somehow in Paris and in Hamburg at the same time
    Some bs happens and everyone ends up dead except for the SAS Captain and some random Russian guy who is a reformed terrorist, they together go to Dubai to kill the dastardly Russian terrorist leader Makarov
    Only the Captain is alive at the end
    Oh and the Russian President got rescued and peace was ensured, the end

    The new one is a reboot and is unconnected to the old ones

    • Replies: @German_reader
  288. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Trying to infer national characters from this website, would be as reliable as trying to do from patients of a psychiatric hospital.

    Consider all “writers” of articles here are psychiatrically deranged people (except Karlin and Sailer). And with commentators, although a lot of interesting people, with views that are unavailable anywhere else in the internet – it is more than half probably have psychiatric illnesses.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  289. @songbird

    Agreed.

    The character of Scrooge McDuck is also a nice throwback to an earlier America when people associated Scots with wealth and success. Andrew Carnegie, Alexander Graham Bell, and Donald Douglas all come to mind. 25 US Presidents also have Scottish ancestry, including the incumbent.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @silviosilver
  290. @Dmitry

    Alternatively, this channel could have been used to promote Russian language, trade, cultural and industrial exports.

    Not only does it do that theres also sites like Russia Beyond and Vesti News on YouTube that do the same

    For all the money (perhaps $12 billion so far), it should have been a positive channel that promotes tourism to Russia, and therefore would have return on investment.

    It is the most popular News Channel on YouTube

    Instead, it just continues the negative side of Soviet external propaganda

    It serves it’s purpose, the Russian voice in the midst of Western mainstream media, same as Al Jazeera, and it is much more professional then Western Journalism (an extremely low bar, so they get no cookies for this one)

    If it weren’t for RT and Sputnik many Westerners would be totally blind in places like Syria to Russian POV
    People here are asking RT to cater to them, but it was designed for a lower IQ audience

    If you want:
    -Serious news, go to TASS
    -Nazi larping go, Russia Insider
    -Segments from Russian state TV channels, go to Vesti News
    -Basic political news, go to Sputnik
    -IQ and Demographics stats, go to well… Karlin

    Feel free to criticize my description of these channels but keep in mind that before them there was nothing, Russians have increased their media reach tenfold since the early 2000s
    Russian movies and TV shows are now widely played in Serbia, something that didn’t happen even in socialist times, in fact the biggest box office success of this year in Serbia was a Russo-Serbian co-production (It’s called Balkan Line, wouldn’t recommend for Russians due to Eurasianist propaganda but Serbs will probably like it, Epigon most certainly won’t tho), it made 5x times what Captain Marvel did (which was at the time 2nd biggest)

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  291. @Mr. Hack

    Nice article, if a bit heavy on Western alienation.

    Trump could possibly take advantage of an opportunity to destroy Canada, which is something no “normal” President would do.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Mr. Hack
  292. @Korenchkin

    thanks, sounds like a horrible series. Even if it’s “only” entertainment, it may well make the questionable foreign policy discourse in the US more acceptable to players.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  293. @Dmitry

    it is more than half probably have psychiatric illnesses.

    Let’s hope it isn’t contagious, would be terrible if you went insane from reading too much Unz review.

  294. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    go to medical school overseas and become a doctor here.

    Medical school could be a problem as well, because the standard of teaching could be a lot lower compared to in America, and that would have practical consequences for the quality of doctors.

    But for almost all other degrees, it should not be important. For example, people who study disciplines like economics or even , then the large proportion of study does not rely on the quality of teachers, but on self-motivation of the student.

    For those disciplines, I don’t see a problem for the Americans students to study in countries like Ukraine.

    They could study in Ukraine, as still access all the MIT lectures online.

    I would say that it is now greater than $50,000 a year at many schools,

    And paying this much is acceptable professional American families, where it is normal for parents’ salaries to be around $250,000 a year.

    But it is still absurd in terms of value for money. All you need for most degree courses, is access to the library, to attend weekly lectures, for someone to grade your essays and examinations. How should that cost $50,000 a year of tuition fees?

    It’s really a $2000 a year product, which is being sold at a cost of $50,000 a year.

    such as less diversity

    Not in the English language degrees, though.

    Because Indians were more price-sensitive than Americans, and they already flooded the degrees.

    After they receive these Indian medical degree from Ukraine, none will stay there – but rather, I wonder if they apply for the American visa after

    • Replies: @songbird
  295. Dmitry says:
    @Korenchkin

    Russian voice

    RT is not really Russian voice though, except from a psyops view.

    Stuff they promote is so different to even Russian federal channels (which itself is feeding something very different to what actually normal peoples’ interests when it relates to external policy).

    Personally, I watch RT Spanish, and found it a very excellent channel for streaming Spanish language into my ears, in nice Latin American accents.

    But politically, it is all whining about how racist white South American people are, and how oppressed are Indians, and how great are Evo Morales, Chavez, Castro, etc.

    Russian movies and TV shows are now widely played in Serbia,

    Serbia is very special though, as distinguished by innate Rusophilism . It might be the only country where normal (educated, etc) people are behaving like this.

    And the correct policy to promote this is simply to encourage more bilateral tourism, which has real economic effects, instead of just being something ephemeral. Bilateral tourism with Serbia still seems somewhat underdeveloped as well.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  296. @German_reader

    Gamers in every nation are a massive Ameriphilic 5th column, I myself was very Ameriphilic when I was young until I got interested in history and noticed some patterns
    At least I got good English skills out of it…

    Thankfully the US video game industry, like every other American industry, is going to shit thanks to soyboy bugmen programmers wasting their time in Tech Company ball pits and shoving Frankfurt school crap in everyone’s faces instead of, you know, making the fucking game

    Video Games from Slavic countries have mostly been pretty excellent, my childhood favourite Steamland (later retitled Locoland) was a strategy game from Russia
    I sincerely hope that the center of Vidiya gaem production shifts towards Eastern Europe, theres only so many Jrpgs I can stomach

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  297. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Bilateral tourism with Serbia still seems somewhat underdeveloped as well.

    Russian tourism to Serbia is 49,765 each year?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Serbia

    And Serbian tourism to Russia might reach 70,000 this year (if we generalize from the beginning 6 months).

    https://ria.ru/20190911/1558576039.html

    Here is where it should be increased by a factor of 10.

    Serbia has 7 million people.

    So if only 1 in 10 Serbians visits Russia in a year, it should be 700,000 tourists each year.

    Likewise currently, 140 times more Russian tourists visit Turkey than Serbia. Here is 140 Russian tourists in Turkey, for 1 which visits Serbia.

    This ratio should be changed to reflect relations with Serbia. Serbia does not have beaches, but otherwise it can probably provide the same experiences and low prices as Turkey.

    In that case, there would be a practical (economic) benefit from the relationship.

  298. @Korenchkin

    Video Games from Slavic countries have mostly been pretty excellent

    There certainly have been some cult classics like the S.T.A.L.K.E.R games (despite their flaws easily among the most atmospheric games ever imo); also recently the kind of hardcore rpg games which aren’t produced that often in Western countries anymore, Atom rpg and Pathfinder: Kingmaker got a lot of attention from rpg fans. So you my well be right, there’s certainly a lot of potential for the video games industry in Russia/Eastern Europe.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  299. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    There are a lot of good thrifty Scots jokes. Probably a safer target than Jews.

  300. Dmitry says:
    @EldnahYm

    Her looks was the not the worst thing in this crime. She was single mother of a 9 year old daughter. So now this daughter will be an orphan.

    So they kill the mother, put her in the sewage pipe, let a daughter be an orphan (which they likely know about, because they were talking to her for a long time before) – because they wanted a 2010 Audi, which she had been unable even to sell since June.

    https://vk.com/id163354073?z=photo163354073_336664485%2Fphotos163354073

    • Replies: @Epigon
  301. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    It’s really a $2000 a year product, which is being sold at a cost of $50,000 a year.

    I agree entirely. Information is duplicative, so most of this could really be done over the internet. Of course, one wouldn’t get the social experience, but many elements of it are not really desirable, and would probably be better substituted for some other forms, that would also have the advantage of being cheaper.

    I’m also a big believer in the idea that there is a limit to what the average person can remember, and, for most people, cramming is a complete waste of time.

    I wonder if they apply for the American visa after

    I’ve never really thought of it before, but I suppose it is not just US schools that harm the US, but probably foreign schools as well. That is to say, if you think political-demographic change is bad.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  302. @German_reader

    Karlin did a piece on Underrail, which is near and dear to my heart since I’m a massive classic Fallout fan
    I’d also recommend the Croatian Serious Sam series as a Doom alternative and the Czech made Mafia game

    • Replies: @German_reader
  303. Epigon says:
    @Dmitry

    Capital punishment should absolutely be a thing.

    Public.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  304. @Epigon

    What about public whipping for drug dealers and the like

  305. @Korenchkin

    Karlin did a piece on Underrail, which is near and dear to my heart since I’m a massive classic Fallout fan

    I know, I read it, was a great review…haven’t played Underrail myself (and probably won’t), but certainly a very attractive game, especially given the decline of the Fallout franchise which now seems beyond saving.

    the Czech made Mafia game

    Haven’t played that either (tbh I dislike the idea of playing a mafioso, even though Mafia 1 at least seems to have a certain moral to its narrative), but I know the first game is widely considered a classic. Mafia 3 seems to be ultra-woke though, with a heavy focus on racism (it’s set in 1960s America), but if I understand correctly, it was made by an American studio.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  306. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    For all their wealth and power, surviving Roman sources leave something to be desired.

    Take the Germans, I don’t believe Caesar, when he wrote they had unicorns, and that elk had to lean against trees when they went to sleep because the had no knees and couldn’t right themselves, if they fell over. Also, I’m a bit skeptical that they worshiped only the sun and moon. Probably, the Proto-Indo-Europeans had more complicated gods.

    When it comes to Romans themselves, I don’t believe all the allegations of incest. Although, I suppose there is a certain value in reading smears.

    Of course, the history of my own native land, records mermaids being washed ashore in certain years, so perhaps I shouldn’t throw stones.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    , @German_reader
  307. @German_reader

    Mafia 3 seems to be ultra-woke though

    Not only is it woke, it’s also a buggy piece of shit
    Further confirming my theory that the level of wokeness correlates with lazyness of the programmer

    There is a YouTube channel called CrowbCat which documents just how lazier the programming in newer Video Games is, even remasters now look worse then the originals

  308. @songbird

    In the 21st Century, American chroniclers wrote of men being able to turn into women
    Some could even do it multiple times per day, depending on how they desired

    The American scientific community was able to engineer medications which could change peoples sexes into more then just male and female
    Alas after the collapse of the first American Republic this wonderous achievements of medince were lost to mankind, there is hope that the institute of Human Bio-engineering in Lunagrad will be able to recreate this wonderous technology

  309. @Dmitry

    I have zero reasons to shill for RT (as some may confirm).

    That said, that’s obviously nonsense. RT did use to have documentaries on Russian cities, nature, etc., perhaps still does, problem is – no-one watched them.

    And the West will do propaganda regardless. Just that during the mid-2000s and earlier, it was entirely one-sided.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Yevardian
  310. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    social experience, but many elements of it are not really desirable

    It is a good point.

    In better colleges in Cambridge or Oxford University of England, the students live inside very beautiful, ancient architecture, where there is a lot of land and resources for themselves.

    From a pleasure perspective, this experience is good value for money for the students, as there is nowhere in the world you can rent in airbnb which looks as beautiful as those buildings – but this is purely a luxury experience, and the question is whether you should want to spoil young people with such luxury?

    Is it actually good to spoil young people, by sending them to live in such beautiful city and architecture, where they live in perfect safety, and have servants cleaning their rooms?

    The beautiful architecture and safe cities of Western Europe, is partly how the entire bourgeois youth of countries like England have become weak “snowflakes”, than putting them into an

    Same spoilt students of Oxford/Cambridge University, could be sent to some ugly cities and buildings, and there would be no reason they could not study the same level of course, and qualify for the same exams.

    Surely, the experience of living in ugly cities and ugly architecture, would be better for the spoilt Western European youth, and make them a little less like “snowflakes”.

    Tghat is to say, if you think political-demographic change is bad.

    Lol but there is a slightly cute Indian girl at 3:06 in video of Donetsk medical school.

    In a rational world, all wealthy countries like USA would have very selective immigration policies, and I could add “good looks” as one criteria for immigration (along with IQ, good personality, hard working, etc).

  311. @Dmitry

    Obvious problem is that employers would be asking why an American would go to an East European school.

    Point of universe: Signal some minimum amount of intelligence, conscientiousness, and conformism.

    Even studying in a top East European university would spectacularly fail that last part.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  312. @songbird

    For all their wealth and power, surviving Roman sources leave something to be desired.

    I don’t know, something like Sallust’s surviving works may not be that profound (though imo they’re quite good as literary pieces, there are powerful scenes which stick in your mind), but at least superficially they’re not that different from modern standards or rationality, it’s not like there are constant references to supernatural causes. The main problem is just that the vast majority (at least 90%) of the writings of ancient historians hasn’t survived (e.g. Sallust’s Histories, his main work, has only come down to us in a few tiny fragments; his lesser works survived because they were used in the school system and therefore copied more often). Our knowledge of the late Roman republic is very fragmentary, especially about the period before the final drama (which is at least illuminated somewhat more by Cicero’s and Caesar’s works). So it’s hard to see what was actually going on there, e.g. what the references to class antagonisms in some sources actually meant in reality (iirc many modern historians claim the conflict was in fact just between different aristocratic factions, but imo one can’t be certain).

  313. @Korenchkin

    Probably the most notable former Russian nationalist defector to GloboHomo in the past couple of years (up to the point of now cooperating with RationalWiki, and attempting to with the SPLC – he is so Americanized, he isn’t even very aware that they don’t have much relevance in Russia itself) is a gaming addict who literally grew up on American video games, so there might be something to that.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  314. @Anatoly Karlin

    If someone finds Japanese games too “weird” then their only option was American for decades
    Most kids didn’t even know that stuff like Mario is a Japanese product, it was all associated with the US
    It is a fact that Russians are overwhelmingly portrayed as the bad guys in Video Games (only rivaled perhaps by Zombies) this dovetails nicely with any incidental piece of Globo-Homo propaganda that the Gamer may hear while not Gaming

    The folks behind the CoD plot were probably hoping for something along these lines: Gamer sees Russians gassing kids and murdering freedum fighters and so when they hear about it in the news it creates a sense of continuity, it is normal

    The Homosexual propaganda from companies like Activision-Blizzard and EA leads to an obvious conflict with average Russian sensibilities, furthering the divide (by the way, these companies are disgustingly corrupt and have dogshit business practices but get a moral umbrella with this rainbow shit, I’d advise to pirate only)
    This is why gaming communities on sites like Reddit like to shit on Russia all the time, it basically creates bubbles of anti-Russianess, and any Russian who is fully immersed in this community feels a strong sense of inferiority

    woe is me when is Rashka gonna become “normal

    Though folks who played Deus Ex and Morrowind were probably not part of this, the Russophobia in communities which obsess over those types of games is more of the memey variety

    Good news is that this American dominance of gaming is ending, turning programming offices into Manchild Kindergartens was a bad idea
    Just compare Witcher 3 to Dragon Age 3

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  315. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    and conformism.

    It sounds like a problem of the early adopters.

    But after a few years, when it became a more common option for American youth to go to university in Armenia, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, then it would not look so eccentric and nonconformist.

    It’s common in America to complain about how university tuition fees are too high, so does not seem like an innately unreasonable position, for the American student to choose to study in a cheaper country.

    Perhaps Russian universities adding commercials to advertise for degrees on American television would be politically unacceptable, in the current political situation.

    But you think Armenia, Ukraine, Moldova, etc, couldn’t be successful with that, if they were advertising in American television (e.g. “do you want an engineering degree for $6000 – Welcome to Ukraine”)?

    It would be good – but not easy – to think of how some kind of startup could exploit this idea, or possibility in the market.

  316. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Trump could possibly take advantage of an opportunity to destroy Canada,

    I think that we need to invade and snatch the prairie provinces and maybe the maritimes eastern maritimes as well.

  317. iffen says:
    @Korenchkin

    I myself was very Ameriphilic

    Was it something we said?

  318. nymom says:
    @Gabru_Ak47

    This is true…

    The Conservatives received 34.4 percent while the Liberals of Trudeau’s party received 33.1 percent. Unfortunately like you said all of the other immigrant groups into Canada voted for the Liberals (so of course they will continue with more immigration into Canada).

    Thus it appears that Canada has entered into the exact same position as the US by allowing huge numbers of immigrants into their country they have a minority albeit large enough to impact their elections and worse yet, they are all single issue voters with more immigration being their primary focus. So immigration will continue unabated until some other steps are taken.

    Maybe we will see a bigger conflict ultimately involving more than just the USA.

    Hopefully it is not too late for other countries to see what happens when you allow unfettered uncontrolled immigration…

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
    , @Gabru_Ak47
  319. @Anatoly Karlin

    I can point to at least two foreign farm investments triggered by Russia Today documentaries on foreign investors in Russia. Viewing figures May have been tiny (still not much) but they were reaching an influential audience of people who wanted to be informed about Russia for substantial reasons. Now they seek to round up the world’s sufferers from paranoid delusions. Possibly not all that influential.

  320. @nymom

    Not sure India’s Assam state is now 51% Hindu from importing muslim tea labour for a century. They just learned their lesson..

  321. @German_reader

    Anyone who doesn’t act like a Jew must be crazy/demented.

    I’ll state the plainly obvious, any German who doesn’t like Hitler must be a homosexual||

  322. Yevardian says:
    @Thulean Friend

    They really mentioned Liveleak? Imao

  323. Yevardian says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    How was your experience on Crosstalk? Perhaps you wrote about somewhere else earlier, I don’t know. That show has the occasional decent guest mixed with occasional absolute garbage, seems like a crapshoot. That Peter Lavelle character (though he seems intelligent for a political talk-show host) also shills harder for Putin and the Russian government than anyone I’ve ever seen.

  324. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    Actually, the sad thing is, the Late Roman Republic to the Early Empire is perhaps the best documented period of all antiquity, even more so than Classical Athens. Admittedly the transitional period after Caesar’s death has many gaps, perhaps quite deliberately so considering the regime of Augustus.

    For between approximately 100 BC to 14 AD you have: Dion Cassius, Sallust, Livy (only in epitomised form) Appian, Arrian, Plutarch, Diodoros Sikeliotes, Paterculus (fragments), Horatius and Catullus (indirectly), Strabo (very indirectly) Cicero and Caesar himself.

    The Imperial period *seems* well-documented, but this is only really because the only 2 major surviving historians of that era were very extremely talented or simply vivid, Tacitus and Suetonius.

    In contrast for entire 3rd Century, historians still have to almost exclusively sieve through the notorious ‘Augustan History’, a bizzare work claimed to be written by 4 authors, but since proven to have a single author, and full of ridiculous fables, gossip, forced analogies to Classical Greece, and gross factual errors.

    One of the reasons Gibbon still remains a benchmark for much of the latter period, despite being dated by 3 Centuries now, is that very little in the way of new sources has been found at all. The only area between the end of Severan Dynasty until Diocletian (really until Constantine) where there is a lot of new knowledge concerns the Sasanids and Armenia, the rest remains a desert.

    Ok this was a serious tangent, but its so rare that Antiquity comes up as a subject outside of Academia that’s its a refreshing topic.

    Were you one the last to go through the grinder of learning Latin and Greek at school, or just personal interest?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  325. Yevardian says:
    @Korenchkin

    From what I recall none of the Deus Ex games even mention Russia at all (whilst also being Sinophile), the Half-Life series either (the 2nd one looks set in the Balkans to me). In fact I can’t think of single major title aside from Red Alert, which was so cartoonish, self-mocking and ridiculous (something sorely lacking nowdays) no one could claim it influenced anyone. Actually I think I grew out of vidya at about the same time all the Russia hysteria started, roughly the late 2000s. I do remember a lot of Arab-type villains for a while though.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  326. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I think that is really the main fault: lack of sources. Also, many are not contemporary, or might be one-sided. It is pretty startling how few sources there are on some of the emperors, who may have been some of the most wealthy and powerful men who ever lived.

    Of course, there is the camp that says only the best survived. I was reading something the other day that made what to me seemed the shocking assertion that Rome had no real literature to speak of before about 250 BC.

    But I tend to think many treasures were lost. The information itself is interesting regardless of the quality of the prose. There’s a lot I’d be really curious about. Probably my greatest interest from the ancient world would be about the fabled Phoenician circumnavigation of Africa (assuming it really happened) – I think the Romans might have been responsible for destroying a lot of Phoenician history.

    I don’t know if you ever heard about the library at Herculaneum, but I’m hoping some of those scrolls are lost history and not all philosophical BS and that it will be possible to read them.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  327. @Yevardian

    The Imperial period *seems* well-documented

    On the other hand, there are thousands of inscriptions from the imperial era (especially from the 1st and 2nd centuries iirc), some of which allow at least some reconstruction of the social history of groups like freedmen, soldiers, municipal elites. But you’re of course right that our knowledge for certain periods of late antiquity is extremely fragmentary, even for something as crucial as the time of the tetrarchy or Constantine’s reign.

    Were you one the last to go through the grinder of learning Latin and Greek at school

    Yes, I learned both Latin and Greek at school (Greek only for three years though, and I forgot most of it soon afterwards, have unfortunately never gotten around to learning it again).

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  328. @songbird

    Of course, there is the camp that says only the best survived.

    Seems doubtful to me, I already mentioned Sallust’s Histories, which was regarded as his masterpiece in antiquity, but has been lost almost completely. One also has to remember how slender the transmission even for a major historian like Tacitus is, iirc for some of his writings basically just a single codex (and of course whole books of his Annals and Histories haven’t survived either).

    I was reading something the other day that made what to me seemed the shocking assertion that Rome had no real literature to speak of before about 250 BC.

    I think that’s pretty much the standard view. Unfortunately almost everything of this early literature, apart from the comedies of Plautus and Terence has been lost, even most of Ennius’ Annales (the national epic of the Romans for almost two centuries, until it was replaced by the Aeneis…also shows that texts which fell out of fashion and weren’t used in for educational purposes in schools had comparatively bad chances of survival).

    I think the Romans might have been responsible for destroying a lot of Phoenician history.

    Reminds me of this guy:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_Vennemann
    He claims that Carthaginians colonized the North sea region and had an impact on Germanic languages and mythology…sounds pretty far-fetched to me, but who knows?

    I don’t know if you ever heard about the library at Herculaneum, but I’m hoping some of those scrolls are lost history

    Funny that you mention that, I have exactly the same hope and periodically google for news about the attempts to read those scrolls without opening them. Would be amazing if they could find some unknown works of history (doesn’t seem impossible either, supposedly they identified some historical work of Seneca the elder in some known fragments last year)…or even the Latin library of the villa which some have speculated about. But I suppose one shouldn’t get one’s hopes up too high given the condition of the scrolls. But a fascinating subject in any case.

  329. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    Well yes of course inscriptions are major source, but the same applies to the Republican Era, only more so. Nearly all of the old families were wiped out over the course of the Civil Wars, whilst literary activity of practically every genre thinned out dramatically by the late 2nd Century.

    I suppose what’s just really impressive is what a vast corpus from Antiquity is lost forever, I wonder how Ancient China compares in this respect.
    Interestingly practically all of Iranian and pre-Arab Mesopotamian history was utterly unknown to it’s inhabitants until the (European) finds of the 19th Century. For example, the whole Sasanids and Parthian Empires were completely unknown to the Islamic Persians, and Cyrus was only a very vague legendary figure. Knowledge of Ancient India is not much better, and is most mythology-based.

    It makes you wonder if Europe, until the modern era, were the only region deeply concerned with preserving accurate records of the past.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @songbird
  330. @Thulean Friend

    I think a more deeper critique is the idea of capitalism itself and the notion of “infinite growth” which is predicated on infinite population growth.

    Wrong on both counts. Capitalism doesn’t require ever-increasing population. And Capitalism isn’t justified by any notion of “infinite” growth. You just keep growing until you can grow no more. Nobody knows where that frontier lies. We’ll just have to discover it.

  331. @Thorfinnsson

    The character of Scrooge McDuck is also a nice throwback to an earlier America when people associated Scots with wealth and success.

    I got the notion of Scottish miserliness (more so than “success”) as a kid from a series of “Chum” dog food commercials in Australia in the 80s. (What happened to pet food ads anyway? There used to be tons of them, but I can’t remember the last time I saw one.)

    “We Scots don’t mind entertaining occasionally, but with a big eater, you’ve got to be canny with what you serve…”

    • LOL: songbird
  332. @Yevardian

    Interestingly practically all of Iranian and pre-Arab Mesopotamian history was utterly unknown

    I suppose to some extent at least that is due to Islamic disdain for the pre-Islamic past, also the fact that Islam had its own sacred language with Arabic that wasn’t in continuity with the prior civilizations (unlike with Greek and Latin in Byzantium and Latin Christendom). But I don’t know if there is any evidence at all that Sassanid Persia ever had historians of its own…actually pretty strange if they didn’t, given all the Hellenistic influences in the Near East.

    It makes you wonder if Europe, until the modern era, were the only region deeply concerned with preserving accurate records of the past.

    There seems to have been a developed and extensive tradition of history-writing in China under the patronage of the emperors, going back to at least the 2nd century BC. Mongols also wrote down a history of Genghis Khan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_History_of_the_Mongols .

    • Replies: @songbird
  333. @nymom

    Canadian border can be divided into three, Far North & Eastern Maritimes are no concern.
    Washington, Idaho, North Dakota are one section. Combined Pop of around 8-10mil
    BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan & Manitoba are combined: 9-11mil as well.

    Not enough population or minorities on either side to create civil war.

    Ontario/Great Lakes area is heavily populated but most of Ontario pop is on single peninsula while rest is wilderness. Whole area more white than Southern USA and no rural minority populations.
    Quebec is more populated than USA neighbours and concentrated along St. Lawrence so is safe.

    Lack of Canadian infrastructure beyond border, lack of organic links beyond Great Lakes, and likelihood of conflict along US coasts means Canadian Rebels traveling to the USA is far more likely than vice-versa.
    Canadian Military is 97% white and there are almost no rural minorities.
    The largest non-white minorities are Indian (lot of Sikh), Chinese (lot of HK) & Filipino.
    Canada is heavily Catholic with many French (Obv), Austrian (Scheer), Irish, Italian etc

    These groups both engage in and tolerate mid-level corruption more than Nordic Protestant counterparts across the border.
    Heavy Slavic and Native populations in Praries.
    Firearms enforcement outside major metros lax. Under 50% of firearms/owners license/register rifles, especially Natives.
    Canadian Reserves presence across country, well trained light infantry formations.

    Separatism in Alberta or Quebec rises and falls with economic fortunes. 5 years of low oil prices will kill Alberta separatism for decades.

  334. melanf says:
    @AP

    this is usually not considered to be a defeat

    When (as a result of the battle) the land is transferred to the Ottoman Empire, and the money is paid to the Ottoman Empire (Crimean Tatars) it is called the defeat of Poland.

    So Ukrainians did more to stop the Turks than did Serbia

    O_o!

    We were discussing stopping the Turks. The PLC forces which included Ukrainian troops stopped the Turks at Vienna, thereby saving central Europe.

    This is complete nonsense. The army that defeated the Turks near Vienna on 3/4 consisted of Germans. Later (in 1684, 1685, 1686..) the Austrians (without poles) completely defeated the Turks. But the poles (without the Austrians) fought against the Turks extremely unsuccessfully. This is your answer – who really defeated the Turks in the late 17th century, and whose role was pathetic.

    If we talk about the real threat to the whole of Central Europe from the Turks – this threat disappeared in the second half of the 16th century.

    • Replies: @AP
  335. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Trump is too busy trying to disentangle US troops from Syria and hopefully Iraq too. He also seems rather resilient in opposing neocon pressure from starting a war with Iran. Do you think that a battered president Trump has much to gain from starting a war of aggresion with Cananda? Canada is so intertwined with the US already, why risk the chance of losing the war of world public opinion by trying something silly like an Anschluss? Besides corporate entanglements between the two countries, of course you’re aware of how closely alligned our investment communities are, reflected by the tax codes of both countries?

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
  336. @Mr. Hack

    Canada is like America’s Hong Kong, don’t see it happening.

  337. @Yevardian

    Half-Life series either (the 2nd one looks set in the Balkans to me)

    The lead designer was a Bulgarian, City 17 is a mix of Balkan capitals, for instance the Overwatch Nexus is a copy of the Belgrade parliament and theres signs in Bulgarian everywhere

    I can’t think of single major title aside from Red Alert

    I don’t think people who are gullible enough to fall for this propaganda would consider Red Alert a major title lol
    Anyway, I remember now that Karlin did a piece on this very topic
    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/russians-are-vidyas-baddies/?highlight=baddies

  338. songbird says:
    @Yevardian

    There’s no monasticism in Islam, and I wonder whether it was really a force in India, since Buddhism practically died there.

  339. AP says:
    @melanf

    this is usually not considered to be a defeat

    When (as a result of the battle) the land is transferred to the Ottoman Empire, and the money is paid to the Ottoman Empire (Crimean Tatars) it is called the defeat of Poland.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Khotyn

    Treaty of Khotyn (Chocim/Hotin), signed in the aftermath of the Battle of Khotyn (1621), ended the Polish-Ottoman War (1620–1621). This peace treaty resulted in no border change but Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth agreed to stop its interference in Moldavia. Both sides claimed victory, as Commonwealth saw the battle of Khotyn as successfully stopping the Ottoman Empire’s invasion of its mainland.

    The Treaty was rather favorable to the Commonwealth, but the Ottoman Emperor also gained what he wanted. There were no territorial changes; the Commonwealth-Ottoman border was confirmed to be the Dniester river, and the Commonwealth recognized Ottoman control over Moldavia. In the Commonwealth, and among the Ukrainian Cossacks, stopping of the huge Ottoman army was seen as a great victory.

    ::::::::::::

    Poland agreeing to stop interfering in Moldova is not a loss of territory.

    And you forgot to add – as the result of the battle, the failure of the invasion to achieve annexation of territory led to so much turmoil within Turkey that the Sultan was ultimately murdered.

    So Ukrainians did more to stop the Turks than did Serbia

    O_o!

    Yes. I needed to repeat myself before you could finally understand it.

    Serbs fighting for Hapsburgs did a lot. Serbia itself did little.

    This is complete nonsense. The army that defeated the Turks near Vienna on 3/4 consisted of Germans.

    Your Polonophobia is getting in the way of objectivity again. Did you know that the Polish king led the anti-Ottoman forces?

    The Polish role in that battle was absolutely decisive.

    https://www.historynet.com/turning-the-ottoman-tide-john-iii-sobieski-at-vienna-1683.htm

    But the poles (without the Austrians) fought against the Turks extremely unsuccessfully.

    Well, after numerous attempts at invasion, the Ottomans failed to defeat or capture large parts of Poland. They were held back – the numerous wars mostly ended in stalemate. Stalemate against perhaps the strongest force in Europe, keeping trhe Ottomans out of the Eastern Europe and in the Balkans, at the time is hardly “unsuccessful.”

    • Replies: @melanf
  340. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Much as I like to knock Egyptians, I think it is a problem when you lose your elites. For instance, Ireland has some of the poorest genealogical records of any country in Europe, even though they have some of the earliest-occurring surnames.

  341. Matra says:

    Ireland has some of the poorest genealogical records of any country in Europe

    The 1922 fire at the Dublin Public Records Office played some role in that.

    • Replies: @songbird
  342. songbird says:

    There seem to be a lot of crackpot theories about Phoenicians. I think it has a lot to do with Hannibal. Not him individually, but just that he was a somewhat daring, sympathetic, underdog figure that helps capture the imagination for his people.

    The basic one seems to be that they were morally superior to the Romans, seemingly by virtue of not being Europeans. I don’t buy it.

    I have heard a Jew say that the Sephardim are descended from Phoenician colonies in Spain. I guess it could be true? But I don’t know, people are always looking to latch onto the accomplishments of more ancient people to give themselves more gravitas.

    My favorite theory for shear craziness is that they somehow, as fellow refugees, teamed up with the sea-going Celts to colonize the Amazon basin. The biggest piece of evidence (probably fake) for this seems to be a bronze bull’s head that was supposedly found in the river, and then there are the perennial red-headed Indians, supposedly where no Spaniards ever settled. And Roman coins on the coast, which might have come from later ship ballast.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  343. songbird says:
    @Matra

    Yes, but there were leading effects and lag effects.

    The whole Irish Civil War was predicated on the existence of Northern Ireland. The British gave the treaty supporters the artillery and expected them to use it, or to to intervene themselves. Not that I’m absolving the Irish – it was a damned stupid and short-sighted thing to do, for both sides. And, of course, there was some amount of treachery over hundreds of years.

    The fire at the Four Courts was a tragedy, but for most people, it is a small issue. Many medieval records didn’t even survive up to that point, others were kept in a fireproof safe. The real key to most genealogy is church records, and most of the Catholic parish records that survive aren’t very old. This is due to a variety of factors. Dozens of churches were burned as late as 1798, and during penal times, priests were hunted down.

    Of course, many registers don’t go back anywhere near 1798. This I would say is a lag factor. You need to keep records for so long, before you get good at it. Also, having practically no gentry and paying a tithe to someone else’s church doesn’t help.

  344. @songbird

    I have heard a Jew say that the Sephardim are descended from Phoenician colonies in Spain.

    Sounds pretty odd, as far as I know the Old Testament indicates the ancient Hebrews had a very negative view of their Phoenician neighbors (child sacrifice, Moloch etc.).

    The basic one seems to be that they were morally superior to the Romans, seemingly by virtue of not being Europeans.

    Must be a recent development…e.g. see this Italian movie from 1914 (written partly by Gabriele D’Annunzio) where the Carthaginians clearly are exotic bad guys who want to sacrifice or rape an enslaved Roman girl:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabiria
    Nazi ancient historians also had a negative view of Carthaginians, regarding the Punic wars as a racial struggle between Semites and Aryans.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @AP
    , @songbird
    , @Yevardian
  345. nymom says:
    @Gabru_Ak47

    Yet those numbers still don’t beat the over 600,000 white men killed in our Civil War to free blacks from slavery…

    That figure quietly swept under the rug and never taught in schools or discussed in polite society. I think I saw it mentioned once in a PBS special…so I guess you can add that figure into the FBI statistics as well.

    • Replies: @Gabru_Ak47
  346. utu says:
    @German_reader

    Freud, otoh, identified with Hannibal. At least it was his fantasy to be the destroyer of Rome and the avenger.

    http://hannibal-barca-carthage.blogspot.com/2012/01/freud-and-hannibal.html
    “I myself had walked in Hannibal’s footsteps; like him I was destined never to see Rome, and he too had gone to Campania when all were expecting him in Rome. Hannibal, with whom I had achieved this point of similarity, had been my favourite hero during my years at the Gymnasium; like so many boys of my age, I bestowed my sympathies in the Punic war not on the Romans, but on the Carthaginians. Moreover, when I finally came to realize the consequences of belonging to an alien race, and was forced by the anti-Semitic feeling among my classmates to take a definite stand, the figure of the Semitic commander assumed still greater proportions in my imagination. Hannibal and Rome symbolized, in my youthful eyes, the struggle between the tenacity of the Jews and the organization of the Catholic Church. The significance for our emotional life which the anti-Semitic movement has since assumed helped to fix the thoughts and impressions of those earlier days. Thus the desire to go to Rome has in my dream- life become the mask and symbol for a number of warmly cherished wishes, for whose realization one had to work with the tenacity and single-mindedness of the Punic general, though their fulfilment at times seemed as remote as Hannibal’s life-long wish to enter Rome.”

  347. @nymom

    They earned a Warrior’s Death & Dine with the Gods, What is there to frown about?

    On that note, one take I’ve seen is that they were fighting to keep slavery from coming North.
    Didn’t want the white elite to get used to coloured pets, as you can see today..

  348. AP says:
    @German_reader

    Lebanese claim to be descended from the Phoenicians and are very proud of that (“..we aren’t Arabs, we are Phoenicians”). Though this might be a Lebanese Christian thing; Chaldeans (Iraqi Christians) claim descent from Babylonians and view Muslims/Arabs as primitive savages who invaded them.

  349. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I suppose it is a trivial detail to latch onto, but I always thought the Carthaginians seemed somewhat alien because of the lack of the variety of their names. But maybe that is just some sort of sampling error.

  350. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    Archaeology, historical records outside the Bible and linguistics (Ancient Hebrew, Moabite and Phoenician are dialects of the same language) all strongly suggest that Phoenicians, Israelites and Canaanites were one indistinguishable ethnos. Any Israelite history prior to the Omrite dynasty is almost pure speculation, most any real cultural difference between the various Levantine peoples was ret-conned during the Babylonian captivity when most of the Old Testament was compiled.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  351. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    Poroshenko was not a Jew.

    Errmmm yes he is – and of the very worst stereotype of one as well. A true parasite with a mafia criminal father, parasited off Russia and off every ukrainian politicians and business of whatever geopolitical orientation…and to make matters worse in this farce – the university roomate of his ex best friend Saakashvili AND godfather to Yushchenko’s children.

    Russia has had 3 Jewish Prime Ministers. Ukraine has had one, plus one Jewish president.

    Don’t be so pigsh*t dumb in talking about stuff you have zero idea about that you contrive to include 2 incredible patriots of Russia in your list of stupidity-Fradkov – a massive public servant and Primakov – a true patriot of Russia, who was a big target for the actual sterotypical jewish/anti-Russian Berezovsky media in the late 90’s, would clearly have saved a lot of problems ( and been far more popular than Yeltsin) had he become President of Russia…and of course famously ordered his plane to fly back ,mid-air, on journey to America after the Americans started bombing Belgrade. Fradkov with background int he security services in the time of Jackson-Vanik and non pro-Israel policy of the USSR, Primakov heading the SVR in the 90’s – about as far away from the inferences made from the jewish-ukrop-oligarch cesspit as is possible

    As it is there has been 4 Jewish PM’s of Russia you idiot ( you have probably not included Gaidar – whose main catastrophic/infamous contribution to Russian history probably lays technically outside his term as PM in other government posts).

    In Ukropia there have been Zvyagilsky, Tymoshenko, Yats the Yid and Groisman. The middle two haven’t admitted to being jewish – but that is irrelevant. We are already talking about 9 years worth of Jewish PM’s…although 29 years of surrounded and controlled by Jewish/tatar/American oligarchic filth

    Kuchma as President with the very powerful jewish oligarch scumbag son -in-law Pinchuk…and then of course the very embarassing landslide win for the Jewish/Kolomoisky controlled comedian

    Zelenskiy when he is tired now also speaks to the people via his press Secretary …also Jewish Mendel – the cabal doesn’t end there either

  352. melanf says:
    @AP

    Treaty of Khotyn blah blah blah

    Here is a German officer in the Polish service (who fought at Khotyn in 1621) describes the results of the battle
    http://drevlit.ru/docs/polsha/XVII/1620-1640/Zeitung_Walachei/textdd5f.php :

    “peace was concluded between the Polish king and the Turkish Sultan on the following conditions:

    1) the Polish king leaves to the Sultan all Wallachia;

    2) he gives him the beautiful fortress of Khotin, which is located on the rocks near the Dniester;

    3) the Polish king had to pay the Tatars 40 thousand ducats for housing and food. ”

    this is the defeat of Poland.

    The Polish role in that battle was absolutely decisive

    Here everything is simple-the Austrians (without poles) inflicted one crushing defeat after another on the Turks. Poles (without Austrians) could not succeed. Perhaps (though I very much doubt it) in 1683 the auxiliary forces of the poles really saved Vienna, but in General the role of the poles in the war was pathetic.

    Well, after numerous attempts at invasion, the Ottomans failed to defeat or capture large parts of Poland. They were held back – the numerous wars mostly ended in stalemate. Stalemate against perhaps the strongest force in Europe, keeping trhe Ottomans out of the Eastern Europe and in the Balkans

    By this absurd logic-after numerous attempts at invasion, the Ottomans failed to defeat or capture any parts of Russia (and even quite the contrary Russia in the 16th century conquered the vast lands of the Tatars, which the Ottoman considered their lands). So Russia in the 16th and 17th centuries keeping trhe Ottomans out of the Eastern Europe and in the Balkans saved Poland (and the rest of Europe) from enslavement by the Turks, etc., etc.

    • Replies: @AP
  353. @Thorfinnsson

    ‘Tesla owners are by far the happiest customers in the industry.”

    Tesla owners are the ONLY owners in the industry.

    There are no other companies in the industry that focus solely on over-priced, luxury all-electric vehicles.

    It is a very easy company to evaluate. You do it all the time. And I thank you for that.

  354. AP says:
    @melanf

    Here is a German officer in the Polish service (who fought at Khotyn in 1621) describes the results of the battle
    http://drevlit.ru/docs/polsha/XVII/1620-1640/Zeitung_Walachei/textdd5f.php :

    Some cherry-picked source from a Russian website. Try harder.

    Here is Britannica:

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Osman-II#ref286153

    Ambitious and courageous, Osman undertook a military campaign against Poland, which had interfered in the Ottoman vassal principalities of Moldavia and Walachia. Realizing that his defeat at Chocim (Khotin, Ukraine) in 1621 largely stemmed from the lack of discipline and the degeneracy of the Janissary corps, he proceeded to discipline them by cutting their pay and closing their coffee shops.

    1) the Polish king leaves to the Sultan all Wallachia;

    Wallachia wasn’t Polish to begin with. So it wasn’t a loss of territory as you falsely claimed. Poland agreed to stop interfering.

    2) he gives him the beautiful fortress of Khotin, which is located on the rocks near the Dniester;

    3) the Polish king had to pay the Tatars 40 thousand ducats for housing and food. ”

    Khotyn had been part of Moldavia prior to the war and continued to be part of Moldavia after the battle. So Ottomans invaded, failed to gain new territory, and ended up with nothing but some money for the Tatar allies and the territory they had already possessed. The sultan was ultimately killed because of this “victory.”

    Here everything is simple-the Austrians (without poles) inflicted one crushing defeat after another on the Turks.

    And yet the Turks somehow surrounded Vienna and were about to take it until the forces of the PLC arrived to save it.

    By this absurd logic-after numerous attempts at invasion, the Ottomans failed to defeat or capture any parts of Russia (and even quite the contrary Russia in the 16th century conquered the vast lands of the Tatars, which the Ottoman considered their lands).

    Tatars are not Ottomans.

    When did an Ottoman army the size of the ones the PLC stopped at Khotyn and at Vienna invade Russia in the 17th century? If Poland had not defeated Ottoman attempts at invading Poland in the 17th century and earlier, do you really think Russia would have had a chance?

    • Replies: @melanf
  355. melanf says:
    @AP

    Wallachia wasn’t Polish to begin with. So it wasn’t a loss of territory as you falsely claimed. Poland agreed to stop interfering….Khotyn had been part of Moldavia prior to the war and continued to be part of Moldavia after the battle. So Ottomans invaded

    That’s ridiculous. How the war began:
    “the Polish king, Zygmunt III sent an elite unit, the Lisowczycy, to aid his Habsburg allies. They defeated the Hungarian lord George Rákóczi at the Battle of Humenné in 1619, after which Transylvania appealed to the Ottoman Sultan for military assistance. Then Gaspar Graziani, ruler of Moldavia, switched sides and joined Poland.”
    In response, the Ottomans gathered an army, inflicted a crushing defeat on the poles, and forced them to sign a victorious (for the Turks) peace, according to which the poles renounced all their claims to Moldavia and Wallachia, and paid indemnity to the Tatars. That’s all.

    Tatars are not Ottomans.
    When did an Ottoman army the size of the ones the PLC stopped at Khotyn and at Vienna invade Russia in the 17th century?

    Well that’s easy to answer.
    In 1569, a large Turkish army, which invaded the Russian State in order to capture Astrakhan, was almost completely destroyed.
    In 1637 don Cossacks captured the Turkish fortress Azov destroying the garrison.

    In 1641 the Turks gathered against Azov army which contemporaries estimated at 100 000 and even 200 000. However, the Turks were defeated.
    (Later in 1642, the Cossacks left the fortress, destroying it, because Moscow refused to start a war with the Turks and send their troops to Azov).

    The real strength of the Turks is very difficult to estimate, but in the campaign to Astrakhan participated 15,000 Janissaries, in the siege of Azov-allegedly 20,000 Janissaries, in the battle of Vienna (as far as I know) 18,000 Janissaries.

    So by your absurd logic-after numerous attempts at invasion, the Ottomans failed blah blah blah Russia win against perhaps the strongest force in Europe, keeping trhe Ottomans out of the Eastern Europe and in the Balkans, saved Poland blah blah blah etc., etc

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  356. AP says:
    @melanf

    You have worked very hard here at Unz to prove that your knowledge of Poland, Ukraine, and Sweden is flawed.

    In response, the Ottomans gathered an army, inflicted a crushing defeat on the poles, and forced them to sign a victorious (for the Turks) peace, according to which the poles renounced all their claims to Moldavia and Wallachia, and paid indemnity to the Tatars.

    We already know that Britannica concluded that the Turks were defeated. So thanks for demonstrating your knowledge by stating the opposite.

    The reason Britannica concluded this was because the Turks failed to capture Khotyn, ended their invasion of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and returned home after that battle. The Turkish sultan was so upset by his military’s performance that he tried to reform the military and was killed.

    Let me guess – if melanf didn’t like the English he would describe the Spanish armada’s failure to capture England as a crushing Spanish victory. After all, that battle was followed by a peace treaty where England declared it would no longer interfere with Spanish shipping and with Spain’s war in the Netherlands (even allowing the Spaniards to use English ports).

    “When did an Ottoman army the size of the ones the PLC stopped at Khotyn and at Vienna invade Russia in the 17th century?”

    Well that’s easy to answer.
    In 1569, a large Turkish army, which invaded the Russian State in order to capture Astrakhan, was almost completely destroyed.

    Apparently, not so easy to answer. The Turkish force that was stopped at Khotyn by PLC consisted of 120,000-160,000 Ottoman and Tatar troops plus over 10,000 Moldovan allies. The Turks had hoped to reach the Baltic Sea but were stopped.

    The Turkish force that was decisively defeated by the PLC army at Vienna consisted of 150,000 troops.

    In 1569, the war with Russia involved only 20,000 Turkish and 30,000-50,000 Tatar troops. So it was half the size. It was not a massive invasion but a small border war. The Turks failed to capture Azov but the Russians were obligated to destroy their fortress. And the Turks/Tatars weren’t even stopped by that battle – a year later a large Tatar army burned down Moscow’s suburbs. So clearly by melanf logic it was a crushing victory by Turks.

    In 1637 don Cossacks captured the Turkish fortress Azov destroying the garrison.

    Only a few thousand troops. Not comparable at all.

    In 1641 the Turks gathered against Azov army which contemporaries estimated at 100 000 and even 200 000. However, the Turks were defeated.

    This source states 60,000:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=G5K8SKVbm10C&pg=PA207&lpg=PA207&dq=1641+azov+fortress+russo+turkish+war&source=bl&ots=IOHekIXlrv&sig=ACfU3U2BfQhI_wIp-DzVmT91DQWF0uh2gw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjD942iuMXlAhUJvlkKHZb5C58Q6AEwEHoECAcQAg#v=onepage&q=1641%20azov%20fortress%20russo%20turkish%20war&f=false

    By your logic it was a crushing defeat for Russia because Russia abandoned the fortress afterward.

    in the battle of Vienna (as far as I know) 18,000 Janissaries.

    Good that you write this.

    Actual estimate is 140,000 according to documents on the order of battle found in Kara Mustafa’s tent. According to German historians 150,000 Ottoman forces:

    https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_image.cfm?image_id=2895

    According to melanf, 18,000 Janissaries 🙂

    Back to German historians:

    “The combined relief army of approximately 80,000 troops consisted of roughly 27,000 Polish soldiers (among them 3,000 highly trained “Winged Hussars”); 19,000 Austrians; 10,500 Bavarians; 9,000 Saxons; and 9,500 soldiers from the southwestern German principalities. Under Sobieski’s command, imperial forces scored a decisive victory over Ottoman troops at the Battle of Kahlenberg on September 12, 1683, and thereby lifted the siege. The people of Vienna embraced Sobieski as their liberator”

    So largest contingent of anti-Turkish troops was the Polish one, and the army was led by the Polish king in this battle.

    According to melanf, Poles were only an “auxiliary” force who played a minor role.

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  357. melanf says:
    @AP

    In response, the Ottomans gathered an army, inflicted a crushing defeat on the poles, and forced them to sign a victorious (for the Turks) peace, according to which the poles renounced all their claims to Moldavia and Wallachia, and paid indemnity to the Tatars.

    We already know that Britannica concluded that the Turks were defeated…

    We know perfectly well that in response to the Polish invasion of Moldavia, the Turks gathered an army and inflicted a crushing defeat on the poles in Cecora (1620), where the Polish army was destroyed and the commander Stanislaw Jolkiewski was killed.

    After that there was an indecisive battle at Khotyn, which the Turks consider their victory, and the poles their victory. However, after the battle of Khotyn, a peace was signed (victorious for Turkey), so that the whole war ended in a crushing defeat for Poland.

    Let me guess – if melanf didn’t like the English he would describe the Spanish armada’s failure to capture England as a crushing Spanish victory

    Let us imagine an alternative history of the Anglo-Spanish war, analogous to that of Turkey and Poland. England sends troops to Holland, in response, the Spanish fleet inflicts a crushing defeat on the English fleet by sinking ships and killing Admiral Francis Drake. After that, at the coast of England there is a second naval battle with an indecisive outcome, but the British at the end of this second battle sign a peace, according to which they refuse any interference in the Affairs of Holland, give Spain all occupied by them (in Holland) fortress, and pay Spain a contribution of 40 000 ducats in gold.

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  358. melanf says:
    @AP

    Apparently, not so easy to answer. The Turkish force that was stopped at Khotyn by PLC consisted of 120,000-160,000 Ottoman and Tatar troops plus over 10,000 Moldovan allies. The Turks had hoped to reach the Baltic Sea but were stopped.
    The Turkish force that was decisively defeated by the PLC army at Vienna consisted of 150,000 troops.
    In 1569, the war with Russia involved only 20,000 Turkish and 30,000-50,000 Tatar troops.

    It is not easy to answer, because all these figures are not confirmed by Turkish documents. With equal success I can refer to such a “source” as the Ukrainian Wikipedia, where the Turkish army besieged Azov is estimated at 240 000 people.
    However, for the battle at Vienna, there is a Turkish estimate of the Turkish army (probably the most reliable) – 90,000 men.

    For a campaign on Astrakhan in 1569 Turks (according to the European historians) collected 100 000 people (15 000 Janissaries, 5 000 spags, 50 000 Tatars and 30 000 workers). Workers of course not warriors, but estimates army under Vienna, Khotin and etc. also include a large number of non-kombants (until than half the total numbers troops according to Hans Delbrück).

    And the Turks/Tatars weren’t even stopped by that battle – a year later a large Tatar army burned down Moscow’s suburbs

    Ha, the Turks not the Tatars – that’s what you wrote. But if “Turks/Tatars weren’t even stopped” in 1569 (becouse year later a large Tatar army burned down Moscow’s suburbs), then Turks/Tatars were completely defeated (and stopped) in Battle of Molodi in 1572

    The combined relief army of approximately 80,000 troops consisted of roughly 27,000 Polish soldiers…So largest contingent of anti-Turkish troops was the Polish one

    Excellent math

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  359. AP says:
    @melanf

    We know perfectly well that in response to the Polish invasion of Moldavia, the Turks gathered an army and inflicted a crushing defeat on the poles in Cecora (1620),

    We were discussing Khotyn, you bring up a previous battle. Before Cecora PLC defeated the Transylvanians at the Battle of Humenné.

    After that there was an indecisive battle at Khotyn, which the Turks consider their victory, and the poles their victory. However, after the battle of Khotyn, a peace was signed (victorious for Turkey), so that the whole war ended in a crushing defeat for Poland.

    Peace that was signed involved Turkey ending its invasion and hopes of crushing PLC or reaching the Baltic Sea, and returning its forces to Turkey. The Sultan was so dissatisfied by his performance that he tried to reform his army and was killed.

    Not the behavior of victors.

    This is why Britannica concludes it was a PLC victory.

    Let us imagine an alternative history of the Anglo-Spanish war, analogous to that of Turkey and Poland.

    It is already analogous. Spain sent its Armanda to capture England, Armada failed to do so. Peace was concluded: England agreed to stop interfering in Holland (as PLC agreed to stop interfering in Moldavia), agreed to stop harassing Spanish ships, and even agreed to allowed the Spaniards to use English ports when conducting war against Holland:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1604)

    So by melanf logic – Armada was a crushing win for Spain.

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  360. AP says:
    @melanf

    It is not easy to answer, because all these figures are not confirmed by Turkish documents. With equal success I can refer to such a “source” as the Ukrainian Wikipedia, where the Turkish army besieged Azov is estimated at 240 000 people.

    However, for the battle at Vienna, there is a Turkish estimate of the Turkish army (probably the most reliable) – 90,000 men.

    Estimates by historians is better than cherry-picked claims by melanf.

    So estimates for Turkish forces at Vienna are 150,000 by Britannica:

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Siege-of-Vienna-1683.

    And these German historians:

    https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_image.cfm?image_id=2895

    You wrote “18,000 Jannisarries”. Now you write “90,000.”

    You only attack your own credibility here.

    With equal success I can refer to such a “source” as the Ukrainian Wikipedia, where the Turkish army besieged Azov is estimated at 240 000 people.

    I use wiki if there are references. So wiki clainms 140,000 Ottoamns + allies at Vienna in 1683, but based on the source Forst de Battaglia, Otto (1982), Jan Sobieski, Mit Habsburg gegen die Türken, Styria Vlg. Graz, p. 215 of 1983.

    The combined relief army of approximately 80,000 troops consisted of roughly 27,000 Polish soldiers…So largest contingent of anti-Turkish troops was the Polish one

    Excellent math

    Indeed.

    Number of forces at Vienna:

    https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_image.cfm?image_id=2895

    The combined relief army of approximately 80,000 troops consisted of roughly 27,000 Polish soldiers (among them 3,000 highly trained “Winged Hussars”); 19,000 Austrians; 10,500 Bavarians; 9,000 Saxons; and 9,500 soldiers from the southwestern German principalities. Under Sobieski’s command, imperial forces scored a decisive victory over Ottoman troops at the Battle of Kahlenberg on September 12, 1683, and thereby lifted the siege. The people of Vienna embraced Sobieski as their liberator

    27,000 Poles
    19,000 Austrians
    10,500 Bavarians
    9,000 Saxons
    9.500 soldiers from other German principalities

    Poles were largest group.

    Is your Polonophobia so strong that it has even made you unable to count?

    So Poles were largest group, plus Polish king led the entire army. According to melanf, this means Poles were mere auxiliaries.

    Ottoman victory at Vienna would have opened up Europe (at least all of central Europe) to Ottoman conquest. So PLC saved Europe from Turks. At least central Europe.

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  361. Boris N says:
    @Dmitry

    The first picture show you that the first variant of Belarus is wrong and the second is right.
    The second picture just adds 共和国 gònghéguó “republic”.

    The character 白 bái literally means “white” in both cases. A simple basic Chinese word, no controversy here.

    The last two characters 罗斯 luósī are just phonetic representations of Rus/Russia. Neither these two characters together mean anything in Chinese, nor their independent meanings have any relations to Russia. The Chinese just randomly picked them up because of phonetic similarity.

    So the only difference is the character 俄 é. Actually, it means “sudden” by itself, and the meaning has nothing to do with Russia; again it was chosen by the Chinese randomly.
    Most likely the Chinese came to know Russia through the Mongols or the Manchu. In Mongolian as well as in Turkic languages they can’t pronounce the initial ‘r’ sound. So they insert a vowel before. Hence Rus came out as Urus/Oros in those languages. The Chinese picked that up, but changed it further to conform to their own phonetics: 1) “u” became “e”; 2) Chinese has no proper “r” sound hence “l”, 3) “u” became a diphthong most likely because it was a long vowel in Mongol (however, Chinese has the “lu” syllable); 4) finally the Chinese added the final “i” because a Chinese syllable cannot end in a consonant but “n” or “ng”. So they got “Eluosi”. Then they randomly picked up some characters to write it.

    The Chinese have a tendency to contract polysyllabic words into monosyllabic ones. Usually they just write/speak only the first one. So in the end the character 俄 é, meaning originally just “sudden”, ended up meaning also “Russia”. I suppose most of the time they write only this one character to refer to Russia or anything Russian and use the three-syllable variant only in formal contexts. The “problem” might be that Belarus is also frequently written with this character: 白俄 bái’é, literally meaning “White Russia(n)” (by the way, it may also mean the White Russian side during the Civil War). Seems this fact bugs the “zmagars” quite a lot. However, they also seem to be very inconsistent with that, half of Europe stubbornly use “White Russia” as well:

    Wit-Rusland
    Weißrussland
    Hviderusland
    Vitryssland
    Valko-Venäjä
    Valgevene
    Baltkrievija
    Baltarusija
    Fehéroroszország
    etc.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Belarus#Translations

    Of course, no self-respected country would change its language to the whims of some foreign nationalists. Even the Baltics and the Poles ignore the butthurt zmagars.
    Seems most of the languages that do NOT use this are faraway countries which never heard about Belarus, hence have no established naming tradition, and/or simply do not give a damn and borrow that “Belarus only” idiocy from English.

  362. melanf says:
    @AP

    We were discussing Khotyn, you bring up a previous battle. Before Cecora PLC defeated the Transylvanians at the Battle of Humenné.

    After that, the Ottoman army inflicted a crushing defeat on the poles and forced the poles to sign a victorious (for Turkey) peace . That’s what I’m talking about.

    Peace that was signed involved Turkey ending its invasion and hopes of crushing PLC….

    This is the same logic by which Georgia in 2008 (according to Georgian patriots) won a complete victory over Russia-the invasion was stopped, Tbilisi avoided occupation…

    It is already analogous. Spain sent its Armanda to capture England, Armada failed to do so. Peace was concluded

    It’s just a stupid manipulation. The purpose of the Spaniards was to stop the intervention of England in the war in Holland-Flemish. Spain did not achieve these goals, the peace was signed many years later after the defeat of the Armada, when Spain had already suffered a complete defeat in Holland and France. Turkey, on the contrary, fully achieved its goals-the poles, after the defeat, immediately abandoned their claims to Moldova and Wallachia and paid a indemnity.

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  363. melanf says:
    @AP

    So estimates for Turkish forces at Vienna are 150,000 by Britannica:

    Only this same figures as 200 100,000 Persian army under Gavgamellami (according to the same britannike) i.e. the number of taken from the sky. The actual size of the Turkish armies is completely unknown (and most likely exaggerated)

    You wrote “18,000 Jannisarries”. Now you write “90,000.”

    I will try to explain avoiding rudeness-the Janissaries were only a smaller part of the Turkish army. For example, in the campaign against Astrakhan participated (according to European historians) 15,000 Janissaries, with a total Turkish army of 70,000 soldiers. As far as I know 18,000 Janissaries (who naturally formed a small part of the Turkish army) fought at Vienna. If you have other data on the number of Janissaries ( Janissaries, but not the entire Turkish army) we can discuss them.

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  364. AP says:
    @melanf

    “We were discussing Khotyn, you bring up a previous battle. Before Cecora PLC defeated the Transylvanians at the Battle of Humenné.”

    After that, the Ottoman army inflicted a crushing defeat on the poles and forced the poles to sign a victorious (for Turkey) peace . That’s what I’m talking about.

    Ottoman army lost the siege of Khotyn, were forced to withdraw their army back to Turkey and ended their invasion,having failed ot get into Polish-Lithuanian territory.

    Melanf: “crushing defeat.”

    Britannica:
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Osman-II#ref286153

    Ambitious and courageous, Osman undertook a military campaign against Poland, which had interfered in the Ottoman vassal principalities of Moldavia and Walachia. Realizing that his defeat at Chocim (Khotin, Ukraine) in 1621

    Peace that was signed involved Turkey ending its invasion and hopes of crushing PLC….

    This is the same logic by which Georgia in 2008 (according to Georgian patriots) won a complete victory over Russia-the invasion was stopped, Tbilisi avoided occupation…

    A key difference is that Russia did not try to take Tblisi, but Ottomans after losing about 30% of their invading force tried but failed to take Khotyn and were forced to return to Turkey.

    So in 1621 PLC all by itself stopped a massive Ottoman invading army, about as large as the one that would try to take Vienna in 1683 (where PLC forces would play a critical and the most important role).

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  365. AP says:
    @melanf

    So estimates for Turkish forces at Vienna are 150,000 by Britannica:

    Only this same figures as 200 100,000 Persian army under Gavgamellami (according to the same britannike

    Link please.

    You wrote “18,000 Jannisarries”. Now you write “90,000.”

    I will try to explain avoiding rudeness-the Janissaries were only a smaller part of the Turkish army.

    I am well aware of that. But you chose to just write “18,000 Jannisarries” until you were corrected.

  366. melanf says:
    @AP

    Ottoman army lost the siege of Khotyn

    The siege of Khotyn ended with the fact that according to the signed peace Poland gave Khotyn to Turkey. Which meant Poland was defeated

    So in 1621 PLC all by itself stopped a massive Ottoman invading army

    And Georgia in 2008 stopped… Probably in world history there were many similar “victories”. As I have heard some Polish patriots consider the battle of Liegnitz as Polish victory.

    Only this same figures as 200 100,000 Persian army under Gavgamellami (according to the same britannike

    Link please.

    There’s a typo. Must be 200 000 – 100 000 Persian army. 100 000-here https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Gaugamela . In the old version of Britannica (I saw it in paper form) 200 000

    I am well aware of that. But you chose to just write “18,000 Jannisarries” until you were corrected.

    What I wrote

    “The real strength of the Turks is very difficult to estimate, but in the campaign to Astrakhan participated 15,000 Janissaries, in the siege of Azov-allegedly 20,000 Janissaries, in the battle of Vienna (as far as I know) 18,000 Janissaries.”

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  367. AP says:
    @melanf

    Ottoman army lost the siege of Khotyn

    The siege of Khotyn ended with the fact that according to the signed peace Poland gave Khotyn to Turkey. Which meant Poland was defeated

    This is because PLC had earlier captured Khotyn, the Turkish offensive was stopped and the treaty resulted in the border being restored.

    So in 1621 PLC all by itself stopped a massive Ottoman invading army

    And Georgia in 2008 stopped…

    Point out where in 2008 the Georgians stopped a Russian army, where after suffering massive casualties the Russians tried and failed to take a Georgian post. Also of course the Russian in 2008 did not throw a huge army into Georgia (150,000 in 1620s was greater than 70,000 in 2008).

    The fact that you compare the Ottomans being stopped in Khotyn after suffering massive casualties to the Russians choosing to stop the Georgian war after meeting their objectives with minimal opposition and losing very few casualties is another excellent confession of your objectivity and grasp of historical facts.

    Only this same figures as 200 100,000 Persian army under Gavgamellami (according to the same britannike

    Link please.

    There’s a typo. Must be 200 000 – 100 000 Persian army. 100 000-here https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Gaugamela . In the old version of Britannica (I saw it in paper form) 200 000

    100,000 sounds right. I would trust Britannica more than melanf.

    Another source of that battle:

    https://www.ancient.eu/Battle_of_Gaugamela/

    Darius, however, had learned his lesson at the Issus and had carefully chosen Gaugamela for his next, and hopefully last, battle against Alexander. This time his army was quite different, having brought together men from all over his empire, even Indian mercenaries — estimates of his army vary from 50,000 to 100,000 to almost a million.

    What I wrote

    “The real strength of the Turks is very difficult to estimate, but in the campaign to Astrakhan participated 15,000 Janissaries, in the siege of Azov-allegedly 20,000 Janissaries, in the battle of Vienna (as far as I know) 18,000 Janissaries.”

    Exactly. You chose to just write “18,000 Jannisarries” at Vienna until you were corrected.

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  368. Mr. Hack says:

    It’s interesting that polemicists to this day are refighting the Battle of Khotyn. Before the ink on the the concluding treaty had been signed, those involved were already putting their own spin on the outcome. Most modern historians declare that in the grand scheme of things, it was in effect a stalemate. Today Khotyn is a small touristy town within the small Ukrainian oblast of Chernivtsy. One thing that has changed over time, is the ethnic composition of the area – today the dominant ethnicity of the area is Ukrainian.


    Quite an impressive castle as seen from this view – worth a visit.

  369. melanf says:
    @AP

    This is because PLC had earlier capture..

    Here we return to the great victory of the Georgian army, which capture half of Tskhinvali, and then retreated

    100,000 sounds right. I would trust Britannica more than melanf…

    The problem is that the number of the Persian army is completely unknown (ask German Reader). It could be 200,000, 100,000 or 30,000. In such cases, encyclopedias simply rewrite the “accepted numbers”. The same with the Turkish armies

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