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On the previous Open Thread, spandrell asked me about my favorite Indian restaurant in London. I don’t really have the means to comprehensively answer that question (though I did do that for Moscow), but I will try my best.

I have an inordinate fondness for the Gujarati Rasoi stall at the Borough Market. It’s the only “British” food that I occasionally crave apart from fish and chips. I have long been of the opinion that Indians are the only people who can do vegetarian food. I can say that Tower Tandoori and Roti Chai are both perfectly good, though the latter is a bit on the expensive side. Do not go to the India Club – bad food, and they demand tips (wtf?). The Dishoom chain is very good and has a great atmosphere – their premises are lined with old books on India. Aladin Brick Lane is a cheap, kitschy, but good in its category hardcore BYOB curry place (that is where I tried my first and likely last phaal).

I am currently at a conference regarding certain psychological matters. I will write about that next week, and so will James Thompson, most likely.

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    • Mstislav of Novgorod prepares to open a massive war against the knights but is interrupted by the fall of Galicia to the Hungarians. This is extremely important historical evidence against those who claim no ties existed between geographically disparate Rusian princes.
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  • There is a new 14 year old girl anti-SJW YouTube star and Mr. Bernstein of Buzzfeed wants us all to know about her.
  • Mangan speculates it won’t be long before SJWs go on the warpath against the keto diet
  • Andrew Anglin predicts that anyone right of Ben Shapiro will be banned from the Internet in 1-2 years.
  • *game of thrones* “Themes are for eighth-grade book reports,” Benioff told me. This explains a lot.
  • Bronze Age Pervert on visiting Budapest.
    • I recently spent more than a month in Budapest and I thought I’d pass along some impressions. Seeing people flip out about “authoritarian fascist nationalism” of Orban is very strange, Budapest is much in feel like any theme park West European city…very wine bar place…
    • Budapest men are not beaten down, far from it, but they don’t walk owning the streets like you see even in Tokyo; the wimin are empowered, daily life is designed to cater to them: everything clean, safe, well-run. No political ferment. Of course this is because they WON…
    • Remember how they compare Putin to Kim, call Russia totalitarian, contrive a panic about supposed concentration camps for inverts…when in fact Moscow is another liberal wine bar place with a vibrant ghey scene. Brazenness of lie becomes clear when consider ease of travel
  • Roosh: 7 Things I Learned About Serbian Women. #5-6 are supposedly especially accurate, according to a Serb friend.
  • Girl jumping like a horse.
  • *ak* Ideal biological lifeform.

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  1. songbird says:

    Moscow is going to link its CCTV cameras to face recognition software by 2020 [in Russian]

    It was funny when the Chinese state media broadcast into the West was called CCTV.

  2. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    Undercover journalist poses as agent of Russian oligarch, gets Austrian FPÖ MP on tape saying he may steer government contracts their way if they buy a major Austrian newspaper and change its editorial line to a pro-FPÖ stance:

    https://www.ft.com/content/57fe3fe6-78d9-11e9-be7d-6d846537acab

    Redolent of what we saw in the Mueller report: people claiming to represent foreign money/political power can get meetings with fairly prominent politicians without undergoing any serious vetting.

  3. Mitleser says:

    Statist/Patriotic Russian army vs. Fake and gay German army

    According to Kartapolov, the ‘spiritual values’ with which the Russian soldier needs to be inculcated are:

    Statehood (gosudarstvennost’) as the bulwark of sovereignty, the guarantee of social-economic progress and of the spiritual flourishing of all Russia’s peoples.

    Civic spirit (grazhdanstevnnost’) as someone who belongs to the great Russian people and is responsible for its historic fate and social wellbeing.

    Patriotism as a feeling of love of the Motherland, caring for its interests, and being ready to defend one’s Fatherland against aggressors.

    Military duty as a sharpened sense of responsibility to oneself and one’s collective, expressed in a desire to fulfil one’s professional responsibilities as well as possible, in one’s attitude towards getting the respect of one’s peers, controlling one’s actions, and showing self-restraint and self-control in any critical situation.

    Courage (muzhestvo) and heroism as strength of character, obedience to moral principles in times of danger, and also deeds carried out in the name of the highest ideals.

    Military honour as fulfilling one’s military duty, unity of word and deed, an ability to take independent decisions and be accountable for them, and knowing how to take sensible risks.

    Self-sacrifice as a readiness to take risks and sacrifice oneself in time of need.

    Strength of will as an ability not to withdraw in the face of difficulties, but carry on a job until it’s done; overcoming one’s weaknesses and lack of self-confidence.

    Holiness (sviatost’) and sobornost’ as time-honoured expressions of the Russian Idea, defending the rights and freedoms of believers among one’s comrades while in the process of fulfilling one’s military duties.

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2019/05/15/russian-military-virtues/

    • Replies: @melanf
    , @songbird
  4. szopen says:

    I don’t get why so many supposedly conservatives think Roosh is someone better than a simple parasite and ally of the progressive left. It does not matter what he says. It matters what he do. He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

  5. On the subject of major website bannings, deserving of mention is the WordPress shut-down of Château Heartiste, much-read by the audience of Unz review and AK’s column, and arguably one of the most important red-pilling sites on the internet, often linking to Unz … another manosphere forum site, that of Roosh, apparently shut-down as well

    Although half of Heartiste’s posts were on social-poltical realism issues – often riffing on Unz themes – Heartiste had become the leading site of the ‘manosphere’, aiding countless young (and older) males with raw explications of the non-politically-correct truth about female psychology, the ‘female hindbrain’ as Heartiste called it

    Heartiste fully answered Freud’s puzzle about ‘What do women really want?’ … Heartiste left no doubt regarding the answer, with many males posting the proof of Heartiste’s earthy wisdom there, sometimes even the real-time chat proof

    The core of Heartiste’s ‘game’ theme, was that women really wanted something different from what they (and society) said they did … What appealed to women generally, was the guy who paid some attention etc but ultimately acted as if he ‘gzf’ – gave zero fucks – about the women, successfully hiding the fact he adored them

    The trick then for men – especially for the young incels ‘involunary celibates’ struggling to get a girlfriend – was to adopt the devil-may-care seductive attitude which could take many forms, Heartiste drilling down into the ever-so-earthy details and practical steps to take, how a guy could appear to ‘not give a fuck’ even tho he really did

    Heartiste, whilst un-pc bashing ‘the poz’ and ‘globohomo’, perfectly illuminated why Western females, bored and not attracted to many Western men who had given in to ‘beta’ pro-feminist behaviour, were instead attracted to rough-edged migrants who were ‘more masculine’ – patriarchal, misogynistic, disrespectful of the laws of the countries that had received them, i.e., ‘giving zero fucks’ … Hence the endless females grinning with their ‘refugees welcome’ banners

    Heartiste saved many young male lives from despair and sexlessness with its raw, blood-on-every-post exposure of what to do to win women

    To its moral credit, Château Heartiste sought to move beyond mere seduction and bedding women, to what would build the society where women could be generally wives and mothers again, and much happier, Heartiste openly wondering how to get back to the ‘soft patriarchy’ that the site saw as necessary to save Western life

    But the Heartiste community, was never able to solve the conundrum, of how in the modern Western state with its legal apparatus, the wife that you won, was often seduced by the siren song of the shrikes and divorce lawyers, recommending that the woman screw over her husband, and conduct a divorce-rape stealing of his funds, so that she could go on newer and different ‘alpha-seeking’ adventures … something seen at the core of the poisoning of lives in the West

    Heartiste along with Unz Review, have been famous for having some of the most interesting comment sections on the alt-web

    Hopefully one will see Heartiste bounce back, and not go into the obscure night as other ‘alt-right’ websites have done

    But it is clear that Heartiste will not be forgotten, by the many whose lives it touched, and no doubt even saved in some cases

    One wonders indeed now if Unz and its writers may soon have their day of big-time de-platforming attack as well

  6. Homo imperialism strikes again; only a few months ago it was India. Why do judges do this?

    A Referendum in Taiwan outlawing gaymarriage passed with a 72% majority just 6 months ago. This is not checks and balances. This is homosexual authoritarianism. https://t.co/hTanGlMsbL— Spandrell (@thespandrell) May 17, 2019

  7. @szopen

    1 – Propaganda is action
    2 – Many of us have traveled a similar path
    3 – What traditional societies in the east? Did he, unknown to me, publish Bang Saudi Arabia?

    Even if it turns out Roosh’s godpill is a bunch of b.s. his work has still been valuable. Many people entered our world as a result of a simple quest to get laid and discovering the true about men and women.

    And really, trying to get laid certainly isn’t as despicable as Homintern. In fact it’s now apparently rape culture.

    • Replies: @Denis
  8. @Anonymous

    One of the more disappointing – but all too predictable – revelations is that Strache bought into the “Israelis are our friends” meme, which would explain why he went along with the purge of the identiarian groups, many of whom are hostile to jewish interests. Paludan in Denmark has the same pathology as do most other “nationalist groups” in Europe, even as jews never, ever reciprocate.

    In the end, they always get you anyway, because you trusted them. I have little sympathy for someone who sold out Austrian nationalists to appease jews.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  9. @szopen

    He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what’s most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.

    It says a lot about the decrepit state of White people that such a person faces no discrimination even in supposedly White ‘nationalist’ circles.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Thomm
  10. Nazbol gang strikes at the heart of Ango-Zionist imperialism

    Lewisham Momentum members are now openly wearing Stalinist military iconography. These are extremists, make no mistake about it. pic.twitter.com/iXCTfkd5TU— Oz Katerji (@OzKaterji) May 9, 2019

  11. ussr andy says:

    guy doesn’t read Karlin 🙁

    [MORE]

  12. melanf says:
    @Mitleser

    Holiness (sviatost’) and sobornost’ as time-honoured expressions of the Russian Idea, defending the rights and freedoms of believers among one’s comrades while in the process of fulfilling one’s military duties.

    Kartapolov promotes (wanting to flatter the authorities?) extremely stupid ideas.

  13. @Kent Nationalist

    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.

    It is just that the British era provision of gay sex (done quietly behind doors) being outlawed which was extensively misused by various police to frame innocents(straight as well as homos who were quietly at it behind closed doors without causing any ruckus) that has been struck down.

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police’s business just leave the freaks alone..

  14. songbird says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Seems like it is always the courts. I guess it is to be expected in the US (where there are more lawyers than anywhere) or in Europe, but when it is also Mexico, etc., it somehow seems surprising.

  15. Mr. Hack says:

    “Mstislav of Novgorod prepares to open a massive war against the knights but is interrupted by the fall of Galicia to the Hungarians. This is extremely important historical evidence against those who claim no ties existed between geographically disparate Rusian rinces

    Kind of a stupid statement to make. Who is he alluding to, anyway? Rus principalities often aligned their regional differences with other princes within the Empire, just as they did with Poles and Hungarians too. Warring between the principalities was a more common occurrence than fighting outside of the Riurikovich patrimony. The Velyki Kniaz of Kyiv rarely got his underling princes to unite in a cohesive fashion. Irkutyanin does however get a thumbs up for the spelling of ‘Rusian princess’ without the often used double ‘s’, signifying that there is a difference between Russia as during the Empire period the the Empire of the Riurikids.

  16. songbird says:
    @Mitleser

    I was unsure how to interpret these comments of Putin, at the V-day Parade:

    “We have done and will do everything necessary to ensure the high combat capability of our armed forces.” But he added: “At the same time, Russia is open for cooperation with all who are ready to resist terrorism, neo-Nazism and extremism.”

    Is it just some regional power play? Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics? Or is it a tradition to evoke the specter of neo-Nazism? Something Brezhnev would have done? Or is Putin trying to deflect the liberal animus against Russia by taking up their anti-white hobgoblins?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @E
  17. anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @szopen

    There’s no wave aiming to transform anything. He’s merely exploiting what those countries have to offer to him.

  18. @Thulean Friend

    That depends on whether you consider Iranians white.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  19. @szopen

    Traditional societies of the East ossified which is why we fell behind those within the Hajnal Line. No thanks.

    If NE Asia gets three more centuries of Confucian cuckism & ossification which people such as the Duke of Qin prefers we will find ourselves in Opium War 2.0 when who knows which group, likely either European or Middle Eastern, suddenly appears with more advanced tech. Nope. Just nope. We need to wage our own expeditions in Sub-Saharan Africa and space instead of finding unknown folks suddenly appearing at home.

    • Replies: @szopen
  20. @EastKekistani

    He’s half-Persian and half-Armenian.

    How much less white are people originating in Western Asia and the Caucasus than, say, Sicilians?

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Dmitry
  21. @Anonymous

    Apparently he was invited into a house full of hidden cameras while drunk, and they tried to get him implicate himself for six hours. I guess they kept having him drink more. Initially he said things like “I can only do lawful things,” but after a lot of prodding he said things which could plausibly be interpreted as corruption.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  22. @Thorfinnsson

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?

    No, or at least ambiguous.

    • Replies: @songbird
  23. @szopen

    I don’t really read him but occasionally click through his links and find his rants pretty funny.

    That said, it’s easier now than ever for you to pluck a Ukrainian beauty and get her out of there, but of course that leaves a big question mark for what could happen if you bring her into the West, where her diabolical Slavic genes could be switched on to your detriment.

    Who knew that he and the neocons had something in agreement? 😛

    James Clapper Tells NBC’s Chuck Todd That Russians Are ‘Genetically Driven’ to Co-opt

  24. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    Interesting. I thought there might be a little more to the story. Still not a good look for him.

    There is an old saying in American politics

    Don’t write when you can talk; don’t talk when you can nod your head

    Right-wing pols would do well to paste this into their caps.

  25. songbird says:
    @reiner Tor

    I think it depends on the individual and time. Danny Thomas (born Amos Muzyad Yaqoob Kairouz) had parents that were Maronite Christians. I would call him white at least partly because he lived in a very traditional time and espoused traditional values.

    Nader called one of the most American foods – hot dogs, missiles of death. Roosh does not have traditional values. TaIeb is shifty and his Med ideology seems to encompass North Africa – I trust him about as much as I trust Tlaib. Chechens I certainly would not consider white at all – Russians should uniformly deport them to Africa

    Today, you have a flight from white, and many of these people have questionable loyalty. Any ethnic Italian who supports open borders under the false idea that his immigrant ancestors weren’t seen as white, should also be deported to Africa.

  26. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    Why are you unsure? Those are normal comments for this day.

    If you’re asking about Putin’s motivations are cynical?

    1. His “moral views” are anti-fascist – this is not related to liberalism or anything like that.

    2. There is some cynicism, because extremism threatens the political stability. So there is self-interest involved for the rulers, as well to talk like this (and it’s self-interest which led to illiberal policy of allowing the imprisoning not just nationalists, but people who just like their comments – although these policies should be now reduced in the future).

    • Replies: @songbird
  27. https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5630280/Woher-kommt-das-StracheVideo

    Allegedly members of Austrian security services have said they believe the Strache video was made by some Western intelligence agency, with deliberate intention to release it shortly before the EU elections and weaken FPÖ by that.
    US security services have allegedly expressed grave concern about connections between the FPÖ and Russia.

  28. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    But Iranians and Armenians are a similar race. Racially, they will be close to Northern Indians/Afghans/Pakistani races.

    Sicilians are a kind of Italians, and will be racially closest to Italians and all Southern Europe generally.

    Obviously, there is no relation between Italians, and the Iranian/Armenian/Indian, etc, races. Italians are native to Europe, not to Southern Asia.

    If you want to discuss an interesting mixed race nationality – it is Georgians. A proportion of Georgians are white people, and another proportion are typical Caucasians.

    I’ve met Georgians who are just (externally) typical Northern European people.

  29. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    The hidden-camera, “gotcha” style of journalism certainly feels very American. And still we have no idea who created this ruse: house in Ibiza with multiple hidden cameras feels beyond the capability of some random independent muckraker.

  30. E says:
    @songbird

    Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics?

    Bingo. Some of the Baltics honour SS veterans and Ukraine honours Bandera. Hardly surprising that this would be interpreted in Russia as a threat that could mean that tens of millions of their countrymen died in vain.
    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

    It’s not really clear why they should do that, though. Russia is currently seen as a bigger threat.
    After all, they can just do like the Americans or Saudis with Islamic jihadists: send them abroad to fight for geopolitical advantage on the front lines, but persecute and monitor them at home. Aside from some exceptions, it seems to work.

    So the EU shouldn’t be bothered as long as this pro-Hitler stuff stays only on the EU’s borders with Russia, firming up the local resolve to resist Russia.

  31. @German_reader

    Maybe the BND did it, I wouldn’t put it beyond Merkel’s government to order something like that, to destroy the FPÖ, which has shown what could be possible for a right-wing nationalist party in a German-speaking country.
    The FPÖ people are cretins though, I guess they’ve wrecked their party now and will be out of government after the next election (probably suits Kurz well). Horrible.
    Nationalist parties really should be wary about connections to Russia anyway though, there’s nothing to be gained by them and much to lose.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  32. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    Terrorism could easily make sense in a local or regional context, without much reference to the global order.

    But neo-Nazism seems kind of strange to me to evoke in a military sense in 2019. I can’t foresee one of the Boys from Brazil uniting Germany behind him and pushing East. I guess it could be an historical reference, but at best, I feel like it is a strange distraction from the true dangers of today – mass migration, globohomo, and a diversifying and potentially unstable US.

    TBH, as an American, it makes me uneasy to hear it because over here it is politically weaponized language. Oppose the invasion, or egalitarianism and you are called a Nazi. So, even when it is not used in the context of liberalism, I wonder if its use is merely unintentionally laying the groundwork.

    • Replies: @Adam
  33. @E

    That’s really just a collection of recently cooked up nationalist pro-social lies. The construction of the Ukrainian national identity requires cooking up such stuff and this is just how they explain their WWII history. That’s it. Don’t take it too seriously. Same for commies in China and people in South Korea scream about “muh ebil Japan” every single day. This form of nonsense originated in France and is currently almost everywhere.

  34. @E

    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

    Domestic political enemies tried that with the Conservative party here several years ago (when Cameron was still PM) as they were in the same parliamentary group as some Balt parties, but it had no success at all.
    On the other hand, anti-Nazi hysteria is a lot more pronounced now.

  35. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:

    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more “legitimate” or “lawful,” as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?

    If President Assad had come to power through a free election, and could be unseated by the same, he would be perfectly justified in claiming superior legitimacy to armed rebels. However, Assad’s claim to power is that his father took and consolidated power through a series of military coups, and then named him as his successor. He then held a series of laughable sham elections in which he received Soviet-tier vote shares.

    Assad therefore held power in 2011 because he and his allies had done the best job of attaining military superiority, not because they had done the best job of following the laws or convincing people in Syria that they were the best suited to rule. (A humorous yet illustrative example of how the Syrian government decides on a whim what the law will be is the case of the constitutional age threshold to become president, which was conveniently lowered in 2000 from 40 to 34, then Bashar al-Assad’s age.)

    Why can’t the Sunnis of Syria give this whole “I have military superiority, therefore I get to be in charge and decide what the laws are” business a go, then? It seems to me that they have as much right to participate in the “Who is the best at killing, imprisoning and/or torturing anyone opposed to them?” sweepstakes as President Assad does.

    It’s like that famous parable of St. Augustine’s quoted by Chomsky:

    In the “City of God,” St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, “How dare you molest the seas?” To which the pirate replied, “How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor.

  36. @Vishnugupta

    I was surprised how pro-homosexual India was when I looked at the polls.

    https://www.livemint.com/Politics/nLQiPpl5UICajLDXETU3EO/Homosexuality-in-India-What-data-shows.html

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police’s business just leave the freaks alone..

    I read some of the legal ruling at the time and I remember it was filled with high-blown homo propaganda.

    The decision should not be made by judges; what amazes me is the consistency of the pattern across the world.

    Any step towards enabling homosexuality is just starting in the wrong direction; India will probably end up with homo marriage sooner or later.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  37. @Anonymous

    Shameless theft from Plato (or maybe just the same idea?). I wonder where it first occurs.

    But all this is reversed in the case of the unjust man. I am speaking, as before, of injustice on a large scale in which the advantage of the unjust is more apparent; and my meaning will be most clearly seen if we turn to that highest form of injustice in which the criminal is the happiest of men, and the sufferers or those who refuse to do injustice are the most miserable –that is to say tyranny, which by fraud and force takes away the property of others, not little by little but wholesale; comprehending in one, things sacred as well as profane, private and public; for which acts of wrong, if he were detected perpetrating any one of them singly, he would be punished and incur great disgrace –they who do such wrong in particular cases are called robbers of temples, and man-stealers and burglars and swindlers and thieves. But when a man besides taking away the money of the citizens has made slaves of them, then, instead of these names of reproach, he is termed happy and blessed, not only by the citizens but by all who hear of his having achieved the consummation of injustice

  38. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more “legitimate” or “lawful,” as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?

    It’s not, really: Assad is just the strongman who managed to achieve some measure of stability and isn’t especially horrible by regional standards. Better to stick with the devil you know. People trying to portray guys like Assad and Maduro as though they are Olof Palme are as laughable as US State Department idiots who think being a “rebel” in the Third World is automatically some badge of honor.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  39. @Kent Nationalist

    It’s probably just because India isn’t Abrahamic.

    Were ancient Greece and Rome “pozzed” because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals? No! Same for abortion..Sparta practiced exposure so it must be even more pro-choice and feminist than modern West, right? Nope.

  40. @Dmitry

    In southern Europe, including Sicily, you can easily find people that will look like northern europeans (pale, blue eyes, blond). I don’t see why you conflate Iranians with Afghans and Sub continentals. Iranians are the fairest people in the middle east (if we exclude the levant turkey and the south caucasus) . Afghans will tend to look darker than Iranians. Pakis and Indians will in turn be darkerdue to their dravidian DNA (This also applies to Brahmins too)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  41. Epigon says:
    @German_reader

    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
    Of course select media and journalists are inseparable from intelligence and security organizations in the West.
    They held on to the video and story since 2017 and released it now – FPÖ and Strache in particular had been in their crosshairs since a long time ago.
    The man he replaced was assassinated – “car accident”.

    Local intelligence/media case – a “Serbian” media (Kurir – Adria Media Group – Styria) had released damning evidence obtained by tapping the communication between Slovenian officials and arbitrators in Slovenia/Croatia coastline arbitration. The Slovenians were caught bribing and explicitly buying off the whole court.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this – released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

  42. szopen says:
    @EastKekistani

    I don’t care much about NE Asia. I was talking about Eastern Europe, where women are more traditional. THis model is under attack from the pop-culture and maybe the fight for keeping traditional morality, family and gender roles is already lost; but Rooshv is not just passive observer. He is active part of the forces corroding conservative values in Central-Eastern Europe.

    You just can’t claim you are all for traditional roles, conservatism and morality while cheering a guy who participates in attack on all those things.

  43. Adam says:
    @songbird

    mass migration, globohomo, and a diversifying and potentially unstable US.

    America’s Anglo and Jewish ruling class who have genuine ethnic hatred for Russians, as well as a messianic desire to spread ‘Democracy’ and ‘freedom’ to the world are a very real danger to Russia. Woke Latinx and mulattos aren’t. I don’t know why you would expect Putin to be invested in the plight of white Americans.

    Nazis killed millions of Russians, and the historical struggle against Nazism still resonates with the vast majority of Russians today. Furthermore, butthurt belt nationalists glorify Nazis. It makes perfect sense for Putin to say that Russia opposes neo-Nazism, even if that statement is somewhat meaningless.

    As others have pointed out, Putin values stability above all and wants Russia to be a respected part of the mainstream political order. He is not a nationalist and is not going to risk stirring the pot too much. That said, he’s an unideological bureaucrat – not some kind of Angela Merkel or Macron who is actively anti-white.

  44. @Epigon

    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.

    Well, all German mainstream media are.
    Couldn’t have happened at a worse time, just before the EU elections, but I suppose that’s the intention, weakening the European right before a possibly crucial breakthrough.
    I wonder what “they” (whoever they are) will eventually do against Orban and Salvini.

  45. @szopen

    If “East” means East Europe then things are different. They do not seem to have too much danger of cultural ossification. Moreover their trad culture is fairly healthy. Russia may have too much statism and does not value commerce enough. Other than these they are fine.

    Preservation or promotion of public morality requires people with very different psychological background compared to mine. All I can say is that you probably want to keep us STEM folks and philosophers from the public if that’s your goal.

  46. @Dmitry

    White is a “socially constructed” group which encompasses people of Christian, European descent. Prior to the Age of Discovery, the term “Christian” would’ve meant the same thing.

    Genetically and phenotypically however, Mediterranean Europeans often have more in common with other peoples of the Mediterranean basin and Western Asia than they do with Northern Europeans. Bashar Assad for instance looks more similar to Matteo Salvini than I do.

    When non-European Caucasoids, especially when Christian, relocate to Western countries (especially the USA, where identity is highly racialized) there emerges a dispute about whether or not they’re “really” white.

    This came up because of Roosh, a (former?) pickup artist from America who lives in Eastern Europe. People find non-whites screwing our whores to be more objectionable than when we ourselves do it, so I often see people on this part of the internet attacking his alleged non-white background.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Dmitry
  47. @Epigon

    Do you have any viable alternative to Atlanticism? Folks in France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan etc sometimes imagine that the world will be better if “Anglo supremacy” is brought down. However their alternatives are often not viable at all.

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism I’m aware of are Islam (through high TFR, high social unity and lack of fear of death), AI dominance, alien invasion and global Africanization (through extremely high TFR).

  48. @Thorfinnsson

    Are Albanians and Bosniaks white then?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  49. @szopen

    They’re not traditional, unless tradition to you means the 1970s.

    Women in Eastern Europe are all whores and have been for decades, no different than in Western Europe and the New World. They’re just thinner and dress better, and Homintern hasn’t assimilated the region (yet).

    Your other point is warranted but isn’t specific to Roosh or Eastern Europe.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  50. Mitleser says:
    @Anonymous

    Because it is the national government and more capable of providing stability than the random groups of armed rural Sunnis.

  51. @Epigon

    The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    A lot of Austrian right-wingers believe that as well, certainly makes you think that he belongs to a network like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  52. @EastKekistani

    I’m generally not willing to except Mohammedans of any kind as white, let alone Balkanoid swine.

    But some others would say that yes they are white.

  53. Mitleser says:
    @EastKekistani

    Do we need another global supremacy?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  54. Epigon says:
    @szopen

    The guy is a useless tard, and reading between lines of his text, he was perceived as such by our local womyn.

    Quality Serbian women are emancipated in a completely different way than Western ones – they know their value, understand where that value comes from and would never risk it or throw it away. It is brutal but honest – I was outcompeted by a better suitor and told so by a 10/10.

    There is a reason why Christian Bale, Melnichenko, Ecclestone, Bin Drai, Jarmoluk etc. married Serb women.

  55. @EastKekistani

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism…global Africanization

    That’s no alternative, it’s part of the Atlanticist programme.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @songbird
  56. @EastKekistani

    Russia and soon perhaps China as well don’t seem to have much of a choice in the matter, but for other countries the cost of isolating themselves from the American economy is high. The costs of openly antagonizing the American dweeb state are higher still.

    That said, I’m not convinced that economic and security partnership necessarily requires the acceptance of globohomo. Just have a look at America’s fine, upstanding allies in the Persian Gulf like Saudi Arabia.

    Given the overwhelming magnetism of the imperial center, it seems to me the most important thing for any country regardless of its strategic orientation is to maintain a very firm monopoly on the transmission of culture, propaganda, and education to one’s own people.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  57. @Mitleser

    Did the world benefit from Pax Romana? What about Pax Americana? Why do you want it gone?

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @Mitleser
  58. Epigon says:
    @EastKekistani

    Concert of Europe, Holy Alliance, Bismarck system (GOAT politician)?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  59. @Epigon

    Is this feasible today? Why did every single France-led, Germany-led or Russia-led challenge to the Anglo system fail?

    • Replies: @Epigon
  60. Epigon says:
    @EastKekistani

    Where exactly is this Pax in Pax Americana?

    Why don’t you reduce the quantity and focus on the quality of your comments?

    • LOL: iffen
  61. Epigon says:
    @EastKekistani

    Because being the underdog in reality, outside of Hollywood crap means you will be defeated in a war? Why didn’t you throw in the Spaniards or the Dutch, the first two enemies Anglos defeated to establish their maritime and mercantile hegemony?

    There never was a Russian-led challenge to Anglo or Atlanticist power – the one monarch which tried reaching an understanding with Napoleon was soon murdered and replaced.

  62. Mitleser says:
    @EastKekistani

    Why do you want to keep it?

  63. Mitleser says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Given the overwhelming magnetism of the imperial center, it seems to me the most important thing for any country regardless of its strategic orientation is to maintain a very firm monopoly on the transmission of culture, propaganda, and education to one’s own people.

  64. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Recently, I skimmed through an old book that advocated for Atlanticism, Union Now by Clarence Streit.

    To me, it was disturbing because I could sense the strong internationalism in it. He was comparing countries to the states in America, saying that there should be universal suffrage and travel between them, and he included South Africa in his list of starting states, with the hope that it would eventually expand to encompass the whole world. Since I had heard the same ideas before, I began to wonder at his roots – supposedly Palatine German.

    But Orwell stupidly wrote of it:

    [O]ne begins to see what would really be happening if Mr Streit’s scheme were put into operation. The British and French empires, with their six hundred million disenfranchised human beings, would simply be receiving fresh police forces; the huge strength of the USA would be behind the robbery of India and Africa. Mr Streit is letting cats out of bags, but all phrases like ‘Peace Bloc’, ‘Peace Front’, etc contain some such implication; all imply a tightening-up of the existing structure.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  65. @songbird

    H.G. Wells also advocated for a world state for much of his life (something which Orwell criticized as naive iirc).
    e.g. he wrote this profoundly idiotic novel:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shape_of_Things_to_Come
    It’s of course disturbing that Wells viewed this as a desirable utopia.

    • Replies: @songbird
  66. @EastKekistani

    Were ancient Greece and Rome “pozzed” because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals?

    Yes

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  67. @Kent Nationalist

    What is pozzed in your opinion? Can there be traditional pozzed cultures?

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  68. @Kent Nationalist

    Who cares? Taiwan is not an Abrahamic state. Why does it have to care about Abrahamic morality? There are issues in the Sinosphere as thorny and controversial as abortion and homosexuality in the West & Muslim world that are not controversial at all in the West.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  69. @EastKekistani

    Who cares?

    Presumably the large majority of Taiwanese people who voted in a referendum not to allow gay marriage, only to have their decision overturned by judges.

    Taiwan is not an Abrahamic state. Why does it have to care about Abrahamic morality?

    You have a very strange understanding of morality; it is what allows people to live in a good way, not a burden to try and avoid.

    There are issues in the Sinosphere as thorny and controversial as abortion and homosexuality in the West & Muslim world that are not controversial at all in the West.

    Like what? I actually am curious.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  70. @EastKekistani

    Raping little boys is traditional in Afghanistan. Similarly homosexual rape was traditional in Uganda before Christianity.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  71. @Kent Nationalist

    So you consider these to be pozzed..OK..Do you want me to play the devil’s advocate and argue for such rape on the grounds of authority?

    Of course we can also advocate against it on many grounds from three Abrahamic religions to right to bodily integrity and NAP.

    See? Unlike science, human ethics is a mess. What I described isn’t even the most disgusting issue in human ethics. There are even worse issues. For example..what’s your opinion on violence?

  72. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    It always disturbed me how Wells glossed over the murder of the Romanovs, tried to exculpate Lenin, and took Stalin’s economic reports as gospel.

  73. Mitleser says:
    @Epigon

    Kurz is a Chad who was doing what the Virgin Strache was only talking about.

    Der österreichische Immobilien-Spekulant René Benko kauft sich bei zwei großen österreichischen Medien ein: Sein Signa Konzern wird 24,22 Prozent am „Kurier“ und 24,5 Prozent an der „Krone“ erhalten. Benko gehört zum „innersten Kreis“ und Netzwerk von Sebastian Kurz. Der Kanzler wiederum hilft dem Konzernchef bei seinen Geschäftsanbahnungen – zuletzt bei der Übernahme der Kika-Leiner Kette.

    https://kontrast.at/rene-benko-krone-kurier-kurz/

    The Austrian real estate speculator René Benko buys into two major Austrian media: his Signa Group will receive 24.22 percent of “Kurier” and 24.5 percent of “Krone”. Benko belongs to the “inner circle” and network of Sebastian Kurz. The Chancellor, in turn, helps the CEO with his business initiations – most recently with the takeover of the Kika-Leiner chain.

    https://www.deepl.com/Translator

  74. @Kent Nationalist

    Like what? I actually am curious.

    Sure. Here are some examples.

    1. Is TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) scientific?

    2. Shall daughter-in-laws obey their mother-in-laws? What shall men do when their mothers and wives quarrel?

    3. Is the nature of the Chinese people compatible with democracy? Why or why not?

    4. Shall the hukou system (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system) be abolished?

    5. Which provinces in China suck?

    6. Is Taiwan a country or a province of China?

    7. Shall Hong Kong become an independent state or remain a part of China?

    8. Shall married male adults live with their parents?

    Are they alien and absurd to you?

  75. @EastKekistani

    1. No

    2. No; side with the correct party

    3. Yes, based on the examples of South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.

    4. Yes

    5. No idea

    6. Both

    7. The latter

    8. Ideally, no. But sometimes material circumstances dictate it.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  76. Jason Liu says:

    Ahh… the end result of “free media” turns out not to be free at all.

    Sometimes I think the CCP goes too far in internet censorship, but then I see you people get deplatformed and think, “Yeah, better send some guys to kick down that liberal dissident’s door. Just in case.”

  77. Jason Liu says:
    @EastKekistani

    No human anywhere is compatible with democracy, dude. They just don’t realize it yet. Once a society starts practicing democracy the way it’s meant to, things start to go downhill.

    When democracy “works” it’s because it retains un-democratic elements from the past, meaning the society functions despite democracy, not because of it.

  78. EldnahYm says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe. Most of this nonsense about Eastern Europe seems to come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere. In reality, Slavs have the trashiest subcultures in all of the West outside of immigrant groups.

    • Replies: @Adam
    , @LatW
    , @AP
  79. Adam says:
    @EldnahYm

    Eastern Europe isn’t only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.

    Even Russia is increasingly converging with the west in sexual morals, not that that’s a great achievement. It’s also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.

    come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere

    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90’s. The Western elites didn’t have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there.

    The spreading of poz is not only a goal of the all pervasive American media and entertainment industry, but is an explicit policy goal of the state department. Russia isn’t perfect, but at least it’s not a dildocracy ruining the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    , @Thorfinnsson
  80. LatW says:
    @EldnahYm

    Just because some EE women are occassionally promiscuous doesn’t mean foreign men of any race or nationality should have ever been given any kind of access to them. In hindsight, that was a huge mistake and in fact a catastrophe – here one must agree with Putin. Thankfully this problem is being mitigated as EE men are visibly improving their health and status.

    That a disgusting maggot such as Roosh is still walking around freely is a huge insult to EE men and their whole societies. Granted, he is clandestine and most guys probably just view him as a random churka just passing through. Another reason to undo the visa waiver.

    EE women are emancipated in a different way, like Epigon said. Anglo Germanic women are required by their culture to develop a manly soul. EE women can have long dry spells, too. They should be tucked away.

    In any event they don’t owe it to any foreign men to be any certain way.

    • Agree: Adam
    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  81. @E

    There are a couple of almost dead volunteer veterans in the Baltic states who mostly had no particular ideological attachment to Nazism, just the desire to fight the Soviets who were at least as bad as the Nazis. Belief that communism was as bad or even worse than fascism is not at all an unusual opinion in the West and Putin’s claims to oppose “extremism” are hard to take seriously if he refuses to condemn Russian attempts to maintain monuments to Red Army butchers in the Baltic states.

    Near dead Baltic volunteers may work as a propaganda tool for Russian domestic consumption based on endless recycling of ossified 1940s Stalinist propaganda but few people outside of Russia and paid shills are going to notice. The West has now decided that the evil core of Nazism was its opposition to the West’s liberal pro-LGBT, pro-multiculturalist and anti-Christian values. Young Balts are rapidly absorbing that liberal worldview and Russia which is failing to embrace LBGT acceptance, anti-Christianity and all the other signals of being anti-Nazi is not a plausible accuser in comparison.

    Stalinist Russia is also basically indistinguishable from Nazism by that standard so the youth of today looking back at things sees WWII as just German Nazis vs Russian Nazis. Germany comes out better in this view because their Nazism was destroyed and replaced with liberalism while Russia is still “Nazi”.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
  82. Thomm says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what’s most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.

    False. Roosh is white. There was a big debate on CH for a long time about whether Roosh is white. Heartiste looked at the arguments from both sides, weighted the points, and ruled that Roosh is white.

    Remember that Roosh went to South America before he ever went to EE.

    You are just jealous that he did what should have been even easier for you, but you could not do it.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @szopen
  83. @Anonymous

    Better to stick with the devil you know. People trying to portray guys like Assad and Maduro as though they are Olof Palme are as laughable as US State Department idiots who think being a “rebel” in the Third World is automatically some badge of honor.

    Olof Palme is a pretty bad example since he was a ruthless, power hungry would-be dictator who just happened to be constrained by the stability of his country and its institutions. I’m sure he would have been a particularly nasty Bolshevik if he had been operating in Civil War conditions.

    There’s no such thing as a nice leader in revolutions or civil wars or if there are they’re not leading for long (see prince Lvov etc).

  84. @Jaakko Raipala

    There are a couple of almost dead volunteer veterans in the Baltic states

    Were they actually even all volunteers? iirc many of those in the Latvian Waffen-SS divisions were conscripted.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    , @LatW
  85. EldnahYm says:
    @Adam

    Eastern Europe isn’t only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.

    Russia and Ukraine alone represent a large fraction of Eastern Europe’s population, enough to make what I say true even if there were very little problems elsewhere. I use STDs as just an example, because the stats are easy to check. I think it’s a notable one too, because in countries where there is not open encouragement of homosexuality or large numbers of Blacks, it’s inexcusable to have such high STD rates.

    The popular sex tourism locations in Europe are in Eastern Europe, almost all in Slavic countries. Some of that is due to lower income, but much of it isn’t, the people of Prague for example aren’t poor.

    There are other metrics. Breast implants per capita and other plastic surgeries are unusually common in many countries there, especially considering they are poorer. It’s not just Russia or Ukraine either. There are subcultures in Serbia for example that are incredibly trashy.

    Polish girls are known for being easy among foreigners. Granted this probably only applies to a certain sub section in certain cities, and I would agree with you that the Poles are not one of the most degenerate peoples in this respect. But none of this really negates what I said.

    It’s also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.

    It may be in decline, but not really a myth. Russia women are still selling their wares, and are quite popular in Asia. Mind you I don’t wish to bash Eastern European prostitutes, many of them have probably been forced into their position by all kinds of unsavory characters, but nevertheless these kinds of examples disprove the naïve claims made about Eastern European women. Eastern European women aren’t exactly underrepresented in the porn industry either.

    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90’s. The Western elites didn’t have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there..

    The worst aspect of your first sentence, emphasizing the Anglosphere, is that it gives the French a free pass. Despicable. Also wrong. The idea that Anglophone countries are looser than Mediterranean or Scandinavian countries is false. In reality Whites in the U.S. have historically been more sexually conservative than Whites in most of Europe, and has been that way for a long time.

    Your summary of Soviet history is nonsense. First, it’s more complicated than that. In the early days of Bolshevism there was quite a bit of sexual revolution in the cities, in excess of what was going on in the non-Mediterranean west, but later it was repressed, and had basically disappeared post-WW2.

    Furthermore, the Soviet Union fell because people(especially the leaders) didn’t want to keep it going, not because any outside force caused it to fall. It was the desires of people in the Soviet Union to imitate the West that caused them to give up what were otherwise perfectly stable regimes. One could make a better case that the degeneracy caused the collapse, not the other way around as you put it. Of course I don’t actually support communist regimes, but it’s undeniable that the societies were more conservative.

    I could also take your second last sentence and turn it around as well. Westerners had to be propagandized for decades to create the conditions that began in the 1960s. The Soviet Eastern Europe were far more closed off societies, but they nevertheless were keen to embrace supposedly Western norms.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  86. @Thomm

    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Thomm
  87. EldnahYm says:
    @EldnahYm

    Let me add that when I talked about people with malice, I was not only referring to Eastern Europeans themselves. Many of the people from Anglophone countries who talk about how much better Eastern European women are tend to be the types who are losers back home in the sexual marketplace.

    The spreading of poz is not only a goal of the all pervasive American media and entertainment industry, but is an explicit policy goal of the state department. Russia isn’t perfect, but at least it’s not a dildocracy ruining the rest of the world.

    No one is forced to follow Western fashions or watch Hollywood movies. Unfortunately the people of the rest of the world want this stuff. Russia doesn’t cause that many problems nowadays simply because they do not have much soft power.

  88. @Hyperborean

    It’s part of the whole materialist-individualist mindset, accumulating material possessions, fun experiences and hedonism as the highest goals in life.
    Same reason why people admire Donald Trump for being rich and having slept with many women, and consider him an “alpha”…instead of merely a vulgar loudmouth from New York who has adopted the rotten mores of Italian mafiosi and Jewish crooks.
    Needless to say, a genuine nationalist movement ought to cultivate other values.
    This Roosh character is of course simply a degenerate. I hope he’ll eventually get beaten to death during one of his sex tourist trips.

    • Agree: Denis
    • Replies: @iffen
  89. @EastKekistani

    They are alien in the sense that many of them are specific to China, but none of them are absurd except 1 and 5 which are obviously not moral questions.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  90. Thomm says:
    @Hyperborean

    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?

    Simply because a man decided to change his life and work hard to attain what he wanted. Most people who criticize Roosh envy him. Heartiste praises him to no end.

    By contrast, White Trashionalists are the epitome of whiners who sit behind their keyboards as incels (often resorting to homosexuality as a release), doing nothing.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  91. @Thorfinnsson

    I largely agree with you however almost everyone in China doesn’t. That means despite being a far-rightist racially by Sinosphere standards I’m socially extremely liberal (and hence very un-PC under Sinosphere norms).

    Now I will explain some of the extremely controversial points.

    1 is essentially Young Earth Creationism in China. It has been tied to Chinese nationalism which makes criticism of TCM fairly un-PC.

    2 and 8 are VERY HUGE ISSUES in every single Confucianism-influenced society. You may not realize the fact that all but the more radical trads in the West such as @216 agree with us on them. You are very lucky to have been born to parents within the Hajnal Line.

    The rest are mostly contemporary political issues instead of cultural ones even though they are also heated.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  92. @Kent Nationalist

    Sure. What about 2 and 8? What do @Talha @Anatoly Karlin and @BengaliCanadianDude think about them?

    Moreover there are also other key social questions. Take inbreeding as an example. @Talha apologizes for it while both the West and NE Asia generally agree that this sucks. Same for child marriages. However if we talk about polytheism then all the devoted Christians, Jews and Muslims would scream that it is extremely immoral, Hindus and Buddhists would say that it rocks and that Abrahamic monotheism is intolerant, New Atheists would say that all religions are false and suck..

    The pre-modern Sinosphere attitude towards homosexuality was.. “I don’t give a shit either way”.

  93. Take it with a grain of salt.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  94. @EastKekistani

    Some people are wrong. I don’t understand your point.

  95. @Thomm

    I would rather consider hikikomori to be higher, because whereas hiking are merely shirking their obligations, libertines are actively defying their obligations.

  96. AP says:
    @EldnahYm

    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe

    HIV rate in Ukraine ( a proxy for STDs in general) varies by region:

    Also, rate in Poland, Slovakia is very low:

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Nearly-two-thirds-of-European-HIV-cases-are-now-in-Russia/page/3109895/

  97. @Kent Nationalist

    By what standards? This is pretty much the worst problem with ethics. Ethics is highly psychology-dependent so different people do literally inherently differ on what they consider ethical. Moreover there are so many conflicting ethical theories that you can justify anything and everything using the right one. Hell we can even defend and bash the same behavior on both soc lib and soc con grounds. Most people haven’t heard such arguments because certain lines of thought tend to be very rare in a given culture but they aren’t inherently illegitimate.

  98. @Kent Nationalist

    For example unless one believes in one of the Abrahamic or Indian religions it is very easy to justify infanticide on very soc con grounds. How?

    1. Child sacrifice may be a key ritual in a local religion. If you believe in the religion then of course you should support infanticide. If you don’t religion still has crucial social aspects and hence for the sake of social unity you should still support infanticide. “Don’t be a New Atheist who ignores social technologies”, said Jordan Peterson / Jonathan Haidt / etc. “Don’t tear down what you don’t understand!”, said G.K. Chesterson..

    2. The authority of parents over their children must be total which must include the right to kill their children for any reason or no reason at all. This is literally what ancient Rome and ancient China did.

  99. @German_reader

    Most were conscripted but its generally the volunteers who make noise about themselves, run the veteran organizations and parades and so on.

    Though Russia does make noise about the non-volunteers, too. For example, in Estonia people who fought on the German side now get war veteran benefits on top of their pension and Russia has been complaining about that.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @LondonBob
  100. So Anatolian Christians must have been the most horrible people on Earth, because unlike Jews, they weren’t even rewarded later. While secular Jews were rewarded with total cultural dominance of the West (I’d say the whole world), and religious Jews were given Israel and the Republican Party.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896

  101. @Jaakko Raipala

    Russian behavior is very bad here. They don’t care for Central Asians oppressing the Russian settler minorities, but they keep being butthurt about the much milder things the Baltic peoples do. Probably they have the same double standard which SJWs have, only expecting good behavior from whites but not from “peoples of color.”

  102. @EastKekistani

    My answer is same as Thorfinnsson’s and so would be that of most of Russians.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  103. szopen says:
    @Thomm

    It’s not about being jealous. Maybe it’s impposible to imagine for you, but some of us are monogamous conservative men (happily married and with children) – after all, it’s well known that men divide into two kinds (i.e. some are genetically predisposed to monogamy, and some are not). It’s rather being irritated, like when you are sitting next to a fountain, enjoying the site, and then some drunken foreign tourist comes and pisses into the fountain, boasting that he is so rich he can pay any fine without a trouble. If you are complaining, it’s not because “you are just jealous that he is rich and can piss into as many fountains as he wants, while you are poor”. It’s complaining because this drunken tourist is disgusting disgrace to human race.

  104. @reiner Tor

    Male reproduction being neutral to slightly eugenic is common, JayMan found same thing for USA. It’s female reproduction that’s highly dysgenic.

    That said, Sweden is one of the countries where rate of reproductive dysgenic decline has been estimated to be one of the lower ones in the industrialized world.

  105. @AP

    Russians are more vulnerable than Ukrainians under the same conditions because they have less traditionalist lifestyles. On the one hand, this confirms that. OTOH, it shows that Ukraine is failing in its duty of care to those people (relative to Russia).

  106. @reiner Tor

    Accounts during the time after the Battle of Manzikert spoke of Anatolians freely converting to Islam in large numbers to enjoy lower tax rates (unlike Greeks or Armenians). God just finished the job.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  107. @Anatoly Karlin

    So he killed off the faithful to give the whole area to the converts? (Turks are mostly descendants of such converts.)

    God must be a Muslim.

  108. @EastKekistani

    You just reductio’d your own relativism by showing that it leads to the absurd consequence that child sacrifice and infanticide are right

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  109. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.

    World capitals of HIV outside Africa – include Ekaterinburg, Perm. (On the other hand, cities like Amsterdam has many times lower rates of HIV compared to ordinary Russian cities.)

    HIV epidemic in this region combination of poor public health service response, bad government policy to drug users and not study causes of epidemic, and heroin flooding up from Afghanistan and along the Silk Road.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @AP
  110. LondonBob says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    A friend of my brother works with a crematoria processing company that covers the low countries and Germany. False limbs, gold limbs are recovered but what they particularly have that isn’t reclaimed by relatives are enormous number of SS pins and other Nazi memorabilia the recently deceased generation were cremated with. They have a whole storeroom packed with the stuff.

  111. LondonBob says:
    @Dmitry

    AIDs is really a disease of homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Almost impossible for heterosexuals to contract, as evidenced by prostitutes.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @AP
    , @dfordoom
  112. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    “White” is not socially constructed – melanin content of skin is a physical reality.

    Being of European origin is not “socially constructed”, except to the extent all lines on a map to divide continents are “socially constructed”.

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Thorfinnsson
    , @melanf
  113. @EastKekistani

    Conservatism is the idea that we should think twice before changing that which we don’t understand. So yes, keep child sacrifice if you know nothing better, but once you can see several successful examples of peoples doing away with it, you should abolish it, too: after all, it’s time tested that society can abolish it and still keep prospering. In fact, sacrificing one’s own children was only practiced in a few societies (mostly Phoenicians), each of which got outcompeted by its neighbors. The same is true of the extreme patriarchy in the Roman world. It was outcompeted by other societies, including Christians within the empire. So while extreme patriarchy might have been good enough while one knew nothing better, it’s no longer tenable.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  114. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    I worked with a Lithuanian fellow who was in some young leaders thing, Young European Leaders, he also went to the Lithuanian Military Academy as well as being a reservist. When the uprising in the Donbass started he left his job in London and went to help the new Ukrainian government, adviser to the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine etc. Not the brightest lad, couldn’t even pass CFA level one, but has been doing various stuff in the Ukrainian government and transnational institutions, such as something called the global shapers community. I bet his and my Russian nationalist boss wasn’t happy

  115. Mitleser says:
    @German_reader

    The German media who published the video refuse to disclosure the original video and who gave them without payment in an abandoned hotel the USB flash drives which contained the original videos.

    Leila Al-Serori von der „SZ“ erklärte im ORF-Fernsehen, dass man das Video bereits vor Monaten angeboten bekommen habe. Das Material sei dann vor einigen Wochen in einem verlassenen Hotel auf USB-Sticks übergeben worden. Die österreichische Zeitung „Falter“ spricht davon, dass sie von der Existenz des Videos „seit dem vergangenen Jahr“ wisse. Die beteiligten Zeitungen hätten kein Geld dafür bezahlt. Zur Motivation des Informanten sei nichts Aussagekräftiges bekannt, sagt Martin Knobbe vom „Spiegel“ der WELT. Das liege daran, dass auch die Informanten Informanten haben, denen sie Verschwiegenheit zugesichert hätten. Deshalb habe sich das Magazin entschieden, dies so darzustellen.

    Die „SZ“ betonte allerdings schon, dass sie die Originalaufnahmen nicht zur Verfügung stellen werde. Aus Gründen des Quellenschutzes mache man keine Angaben über die Herkunft.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20190519104429/https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article193725535/FPOE-Vize-Strache-Was-Boehmermann-mit-dem-Video-zu-tun-hat.html

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  116. Dmitry says:
    @LondonBob

    Countries like Netherlands, Sweden, Australia and Ireland, have the lowest HIV rates in the world – so it doesn’t correlate well even to their attitude to homosexuality.

    While in Russia, HIV spread happens commonly when even ordinary heterosexuals got HIV from their longterm husband/wife.

    HIV rates are low in the West compared to Russia/Ukraine, not because Westerners are more moral than in Russia/Ukraine, but because there is more state capacity and healthcare investment in the West.

    For cities like Perm and Ekaterinburg where HIV is at the highest levels – the heroin floods into the cities from Central Asia. But the epidemic effect is combination of poor needle use habits of the drug-user population, lack of detection, etc.

  117. Dmitry says:
    @Swarthy Greek

    I’m not an expert on the topic, but in the large part – see the parades – they seem similar Northern Indians and Afghanistani, as would be expected from geographical location.

    And of course, Armenians are from a partly related race – which is a bit less expected from the geography, but can be seen apparently in language.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
  118. @Dmitry

    No they don’t. You obviously don’t know a lot of armenians/iranians or indians to say that they look similar.Even between Western and Southern Armenians there are a lot of differences, let alone between Armenians and Iranians. Genetically these people differ significantly. Even indian brahmins have a huge Dravidian amount of DNA that Iranians/Armenians lack. It would be like saying that Ashkenazim and Sephardim look the same. It plain doesn’t make sense.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  119. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    I’m not saying all of Europe is a natural “bloc”.

    Mediterranean was at some points historically much more “natural unit”, than Europe (combination of North and South Europe).

    But to group the “most important to Europe European nationalities” (Italians), to nationalities in Asia, does not seem a very sensible categorization.

  120. Dmitry says:
    @Swarthy Greek

    Did you see the video of the parade? In that example, Iran’s army mainly look more similar to North Indians or Afghan, at least in this particular parade. The faces seem closer to Indian/Afghan than to Arab – at least that was my superficial impression from watching a few minutes.

    The particular parade might not be representative of the general population of course, as armies can be from particular regions, or recruiting more from some demographics than others (I remember that Iran is very multi-ethnic).

    So perhaps that is an unrepresentative example and video is not fully clear.

    Western and Southern Armenians there are a lot of differences, let alone between Armenians and Iranians

    Of course, Armenians are not the same race. But there’s no controversy they are related race, which is evident in the languages.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  121. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Like all these guys from 4:25 onwards to 7:00 in the Iran parade – the style of marching even seem more similar to Indian culture, than Arab culture.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
  122. The most evil people ever:

    #1 Hitler
    #2 Stalin
    #3 Ramsay Bolton

  123. @Mitleser

    This is several times more serious than what Russia was ever accused of as “meddling.”

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  124. @Adam

    Poland has a low divorce rate and heavily restricts abortion, but it too is not “traditional”. Plenty of available Polish women in clubs in downtown Warsaw and Krakow, and of course lots of Polish women work abroad.

    Since this started with Roosh, it should be pointed out that he has lived Poland on and off for many years now.

    Eastern Europe is not innocent in the sexual revolution area either in light of what early communist regimes were like in the USSR and Hungary.

    • Replies: @szopen
  125. @LatW

    Thot patrol starts at home. If your women are sleeping with numerous local men, there is no reason not to expect them to sleep with foreign men either.

    “Seek sexual pleasure but NOT with men who have foreign passports!!!”

    Not very viable.

  126. @German_reader

    It could have been a cooperation of several such services.

  127. @Anatoly Karlin

    Wow. You guys don’t have eternal in-law dramas? Great!

  128. @Kent Nationalist

    Nope. You simply got really offended by these ideas and consider them jokes or absurdities because they are way outside your Overton Window while I’m aware that they are not jokes or something made up.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  129. @reiner Tor

    The universe does not operate according to morality.

  130. @EastKekistani

    One is mostly harmless aside from the damage that it occasionally does to various endangered species. And since animals only exist to serve people anyway, this is really just conflict between my Western value (cool animals) vs. the Chinese value (tiger dick powder or whatever). And one can even be beneficial in that it might prevent people from seeking unnecessary medical treatment (all medical interventions carry risk).

    Two and eight are, obviously, for Chinese to decided. I know they’re big deals for Chinese culture.

    Two I suppose is an interesting discussion which can go many ways, but for #8 I find the concept of adults of means living with their parents to be ridiculous and demeaning. Of course perhaps once you have children then having the grandparents at home to provide childcare is a wise idea.

    #4 is a serious problem. Chinese urban planning and registration remains bizarrely influenced by the ideas of Friedrich Engels, which limits its rate of urbanization and the growth of its best cities. See here: https://andrewbatson.com/2017/05/11/friedrich-engels-is-still-shaping-chinese-cities-120-years-after-his-death/

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  131. @EastKekistani

    I don’t see the problem with child marriage frankly. My understanding of child marriage is that it is generally arranged and the marriage isn’t consummated until both parties are of age.

    As for homo-sexuality, many Western moderates and conservatives had the attitude of not giving a shit either. The trouble with maintaining that attitude is that you might not care about homo-sexuality, but Homintern cares a great deal about you.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  132. @Dmitry

    In antiquity Northern Europeans and Mediterranean Europeans were separated by mountain ranges and dense forests. Trade links existed but were relatively minor because Northern Europe was still savage and thus had less to barter.

    Meanwhile Mediterranean Europeans were closely linked economically, politically, culturally, and genetically with non-Europeans in North Africa and the Levant.

    Even today Mediterranean Europeans often look much more like people from North Africa than they do people from Northern Europe, and this is despite the fact that the North African gene pool has substantially deteriorated in the past ~1300 years owing to the undesirable introgression of negroid genes.

    What unified Northern and Southern Europeans was that Islam overran Anatolia, Levant, and North Africa while all of Europe was Christianized. Then Europeans went out into the world and saw that they were not just religiously different from others, but also biologically different. So “Christian” became “white”.

    But it bears remembering that realistically speaking a Sicilian and a Tunisian historically had much more in common than a Sicilian did with a Swede. Thus at the margins there is some question of who is white.

    Iranians, biologically speaking, are not actually a different race. They too are caucasoids. But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  133. @reiner Tor

    Huh?

    Patriarchy deteriorated already in Republican Rome.

    Divorce was permitted in Rome’s organic laws, and supposedly started actually taking place around the time of the Second Punic War.

    By the time of Marius the birth rate was declining and he had to exhort his troops to put up with Rome’s insufferable women for the good of their country.

    Come the Principate the situation had deteriorated badly enough that the government trying taxing bachelors.

    Christianity if anything strengthened the patriarchal foundations of society, other than that obviously Christians didn’t give the father the right to kill his own children.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @reiner Tor
  134. @EastKekistani

    You are correct, I do find the idea of murdering and/or raping children being morally right absurd and offensive.

  135. @Thorfinnsson

    Well, 1 can actually be harmful because it hampers abstract reasoning of the people and because TCM treatments can occasionally be dangerous.

    2 and 8 are very serious issues. The main reason why they exist at all is due to Confucianism.

    2 in particular is a thorny topic because modern China largely abolished gender inequality as a consequence of commies being originally leftist in origins. So morally people are supposed to say that husbands and wives are equal. At the same time the Confucian doctrine that people must obey their parents remained. So a man is now caught between his parents (especially mother) and wife, both more powerful than them. The wifey obviously does not want the dude to always support his mother in eternal in-law catfights which in old China consistently happened..moreover she works and posts her views on the internet.

    8 isn’t really that serious any more because young men move around all the time.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  136. @EastKekistani

    Chinese should take heart–Barack Obama’s mother-in-law lived in the White House for his entire Presidency.

    Leader of the most powerful country in the world yet he did not even control his own household.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  137. @Thorfinnsson

    I think we need to unpack “patriarchy”. Power of a husband over his wife is patriarchy and it is usually how it is used in the West by all but NRx. Power of parents over their children, even adult children, is sometimes also considered “patriarchy”. Early Rome had a lot of both. Modern Western conservatives have the former but not the latter. Modern China have the latter but not the former.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  138. @Thorfinnsson

    LOL. I don’t care about blacks. Most people here see me as a dramatic radical anti-black activist. However I’m not radical. I just point out that even separation alone can not solve black-induced issues.

  139. @EastKekistani

    The father’s right to kill his children is certainly patriarchy in a quite literal sense.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  140. The idea that homosexuality is bad also precedes Christianity in the West.

    And, in particular, this practice is generally held to have corrupted the ancient and natural rule in the matter of sexual indulgence common to mankind with animals at large, and the blame for these corruptions may be charged, in the first instance, on your two cities and such others as are most devoted to physical exercises. Whether these matters are to be regarded as sport, or as earnest, we must not forget that this pleasure is held to have been granted by nature to male and female when conjoined for the work of procreation; the crime of male with male, or female with female, is an outrage on nature and a capital surrender to lust of pleasure.

    http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~davpy35701/text/plato-homo.html

  141. @Thorfinnsson

    other than that obviously Christians didn’t give the father the right to kill his own children

    Which is pretty extreme, if you stop to think about it. And I basically meant that. Otherwise, I’m not sure Christianity affected husbands’ power over their wives one way or another. There was no possibility of divorce, but it cut both ways.

    I’m aware that the extreme Roman patriarchy degenerated into female sluttiness and similar issues by the time of the late Republic.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  142. Biff says:

    Chinese tourist spending now double America’s

    And keep in mind; less than 9% of Chinese have passports. Just wait till they really mobilize – are you ready Yellowstone?

  143. @Dmitry

    3 points to rebuke that comment specifically

    1)marching styles are not related to race

    2)Military parades with tight knit marching and orchestras are European imports that date back to the 19th and early 20th century. Indian military tradition (insignia, marching style, doctrine…) is based on British military tradition and historical indian army units descend from the British Indian army (The Raj’s colonial force). The similarities that you may see between the Iranian and Indian armies are due to the fact that the Iranian army was largely trained by british advisors when it was formed. Still there are pretty obvious differences: Iranians goose step (Reza Shah brought german advisors in the 30s) while Indians don’t.

    3)There is no such thing as “Arab marching style”. First of all arab armies do not know how to march properly. Secondly, as i said military parades are a european import, and as such arab marching styles are a mish mash of British, French and Soviet influences.

    If you want to meet Iranians, try to meet Persian Jews who came to Israel after the fall of the Pahlavi regime. They are racially similar to native iranians because they mingled with the local population and their community predates the expulsion of jews from Israel.

    The indian brahmins typically shave a fatter , round face type ( due to dravidian DNA) while Iranians have more Caucasian facial features

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  144. szopen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Sure. Standards are deteriorating, so let’s complain about them AND, at the same time, let’s participate in the corruption.

    F*, I don’t even udnerstand what you are aiming at. Are you enthusiastic about worsening morality, or not? If not, how can you defend someone who is part of the force which creates a culture promoting degeneracy?!

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  145. The normalisation of political violence (throwing objects at people) and failure of the media to cover it has been quite striking in Britain this month.

    It started when a Pakistani threw a milkshake over Tommy Robinson a few weeks ago (a few minutes before the incident, a non-white also walked in front of the camera saying ‘fuck white man’). Blue checks (and an official police twitter account) were either laughing or supportive. The Guardian published a sympathetic interview with the ‘person’ responsible, the Daily Mail (supposedly the most right-wing newspaper) posted an article unfavourable to Robinson and the respectable conservative press was silent.

    Several other things have been thrown at prominent UKIP candidates (for instance, notorious Sargon of Akkad) over the past few weeks since, such as fish, to similar reactions.
    When Anna Soubry, a famously anti-Brexit MP, felt ‘harassed’ because a right-wing activist came up to her and called her a traitor as she came into Parliament a few months ago, it was national news for several days. Someone who threw an egg at Corbyn went to prison for several weeks.

    This came to a head yesterday because Robinson visited Oldham (a very Pakistani area which previously had race riots) and was confronted by a group of Pakistanis throwing rocks at him and his supporters. The police did nothing to stop them and this has hardly been reported at all.
    Another event yesterday was the Burger King UK account making a joke about this (and liking many supportive tweets), which was picked up on American Nationalist twitter.

    I am interested to know if there are parallels in other European countries.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  146. @reiner Tor

    Yes, the power of life and death of pater familias over children is quite extreme of course. I would need to know more about how it functioned in practice in order to be able to evaluate it however.

    Christianity strengthened the power of husbands over wives compared to paganism because the possibility of divorce disappeared or was severely restricted (e.g. when divorce was allowed it was at-fault only and the “guilty” party was not permitted to remarry).

    I’m not clear on how marriage impacted property in Rome, but under Christianity the property of a wife became the property of her husband. To some degree contracts could restrict how much control the husband had over the property of course.

    One interesting development of Christianity was romantic love. Since marriage was a sacrament, the power of families to make or stop marriage was eliminated.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @songbird
  147. @szopen

    I’ve traveled down the same road myself as have many other men. I’m not going to defend any cultural degeneracy, but unless you grow up in a strict religious subculture then the sexual revolution is the default. In such an environment it’s not strange that some men seek to study how to better bed women. Some of those men in turn will turn that into a business.

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians because they allowed their own churches to become pozzed. Dalrock, Rollo Tomassi, etc. are reintroducing knowledge that was known to St. Augustine but is not known by today’s nominally Christian men.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  148. songbird says:
    @Hyperborean

    IMO, mostly the latter, though there’s more to it than just the UN. Taiwan seemed to have a somewhat similar diplomatic model, until they were outbid.

    I wonder how possible it is to influence elections in Africa. There is the old phrase used at the end of colonialism: one man, one vote, one time. The ANC has certainly been in power a long time, despite its poor performance.

  149. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    The Iranians and Armenians is the exact same Europeene race. Of course you can select the “small race”, but then Europe is inhabited by several races. The category of “brown” does not coincide with racial division (and the Iranians and the Armenians in the largely white and not brown).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Kent Nationalist
  150. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.

    You were wrong.

    Appropriate healthcare and prevention can and does mitigate this (thus low rates in Amsterdam) but in the case of, for example, Ukraine, where healthcare is relatively constant the difference can largely be explained by promiscuity.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  151. Mitleser says:
    @reiner Tor

    It is certainly far more problematic for Hungary than the “Russian meddling” accusations.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  152. AP says:
    @LondonBob

    So all those Africans are gays and/or junkies?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  153. Dmitry says:
    @melanf

    Armenians are definitely, mainly brown people (these are people from space 30 to 40 degrees latitude). The mixed case is Georgians – some Georgians are very white people. But Georgians are really a mix of the colours.

    This is just a function of latitude, so perhaps Armenians originate a little South of their current position.

    As for racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping similarities. Races in Asia will be genetically much less related to races in Europe.

    Italians are closer to other European races, even if some appear brown. Of course, there is not much sense to group them with comparatively distant races on the border with Pakistan – except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.

    • Replies: @melanf
  154. @Mitleser

    It also draws attention to Orbán’s corruption within Hungary. So his election performance might suffer as a result, too.

    Anyway, this is very bad for all European nationalists. It’s also bad for Russia, because – incredibly – they are also somehow villains in this story (which has nothing whatsoever to do with them, other than that they used the fake identity of a Russian).

  155. @melanf

    Why Iranians and Armenians when Lebanese and Turks are genetically closer to Europeans?

  156. @AP

    I think it has a lot to do with the prevalence of “dry sex,” as they call it, which is to say, rape. During “dry sex,” both parties’ sexual organs suffer minor injuries, which makes it possible for the blood of one to get into the bloodstream of the other, thus leading to infection. It might happen during normal vaginal sex, but significantly less likely, especially for the man to get infected.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @songbird
    , @dfordoom
  157. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping relations. Races in Europe are generally more closely related to each other, than to races outside Europe, even quite close neighbours (like North Africa and Levant).

    Italians are closer in their genetic history, to other European races, even if some appear brown (Palermo is below 40 degrees latitude) and some – like some Spanish and Portugal people – have partial Arab ancestry .

    There is not much sense to group them with comparatively more distant races on the border with Pakistan – except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.

    But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white

    Being white is a result of biology – there is nothing social or political involved.

    Iranians mostly originate below 40 degrees latitude, so they selected for predominantly dark colours (from melanin content) in their skin and hair.

    Army may not be representative sample (as it might be from different ethnic groups within the country) – but you can see from 4:00 (colouration is often matching even more close 30 degree latitude parts of the country, than 40 degree latitude).

  158. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    You were wrong.

    BTW, number of sexual partners per person:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/248856/average-number-of-sexual-partners-in-selected-countries-worldwide/

    Netherlands is pretty low (I guess it is mostly tourists, not natives, at those brothels).

    Poland, Slovakia (and Germany!) are lowest in Europe. This corresponds to their low HIV rate.

    It’s about promiscuity, moderated by healthcare. A moral society can have poor healthcare and won’t have an HIV problem (like western Ukraine which has measles but not HIV). But an immoral one with good healthcare can avoid HIV with a lot of work, to an extent (still more HIV in Sweden than in Bulgaria or Croatia).

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  159. @AP

    Why is the Turkish number so high?

    The numbers seem very strange in general: Japanese people have almost twice as many sexual partners as Germans?

  160. @Kent Nationalist

    I am interested to know if there are parallels in other European countries.

    In Germany there have been high levels of political violence by “antifascists” against right-wingers (and also policemen) for years…AfD politicians (and sometimes voters/minor party members) run a real risk of having their cars torched, their houses vandalized and even being physically assaulted.
    The establishment doesn’t care about this, in fact the left-wing parties (LINKE, Greens, Social Democrats) maintain ties to the “antifascist” scene. They do care about the “hate” directed at establishment politicians in the net though, e.g. Germany’s supreme cripple Schäuble just recently called for a law banning anonymous comments so that all social media would have to force users to give their real name and address.

  161. @Dmitry

    Being white is a result of biology – there is nothing social or political involved.

    For people of mixed ancestry in the US there was a social factor involved…people of mixed black-white ancestry who were light enough could try to “pass” as white and blend into the general white population.
    In Latin America with its mixed populations racial status in social life also isn’t always identical to genetic ancestry, with many people being regarded as “white” whose ancestry is only partially European.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  162. Dmitry says:
    @Swarthy Greek

    Marching style is not related to race and reflects cultural influences. I’m adding a comment on my subjective impression of this exotic style of marching, which does not seem similar to Arab parades – in case anyone else is interested in this video.

    The indian brahmins typically shave a fatter , round face type ( due to dravidian DNA) while Iranians have more Caucasian facial features

    If you compare external appearance of Indians/Pakistanis who originate from nationalities native to the same latitude as those compared to in Iran – I assume the differences will be subtle, however.

    For example, a large proportion of Pakistan’s population today are immigrants from lower latitudes in India and therefore have blacker skin.

    However, the Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan – who is Pashtun, which did not immigrate from lower latitudes in India – appears less like “typical Indian”, than Ahmadinejad – previous President of Iran – , for example.

    Iran goes from below 25 degrees latitude in South to 39 degrees latitude in North. So even in recent history, there can be selection for different shades in relation to melanin within a country with this location.

    South of Iran has the same latitude range as Bangladesh. While the Northern edge of Iran is the same latitude as Napoli.

    want to meet Iranians, try to meet Persian Jews who came to Israel after the fall of the Pahlavi regime. They are racially similar to native iranians because they mingled with the local population and their community predates the expulsion of jews from Israel.

    Of course, if you visit Israel, you will see many distinctive races, and probably someone with a lot of travelling experience, can even guess accurately which countries they originate from their faces.

    I’m not saying Iranians and Indians are the same race. But there will be significant external overlap if you compare ones whose ancestors lived in the same latitudes, and there are genetic relations as well.

  163. @Dmitry

    This is not strictly true.

    Here for instance is a West Asian admixture map:

    Substantial West Asian admixture in the Mezzogiorno and the Balkans for instance, modest in the rest of Europe, and very little in Scandinavia. None at all among Finnic, Baltic, and forest-Slav populations.

    Haplogroup map:

    It should not be surprising that people from Cyprus are more closely related to people from the Levant than they are to people from the British isles.

    Yet Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    • Replies: @Logan
  164. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    The heterosexual HIV spread happens often during more long-term relationships.

    If people sleep together every day, then over several months the probability of spreading become at least somewhat significant even in heterosexual relationships with normal practices.

    This is all quite established by epidemiologists, so I’m not sure what AP is arguing. This type of spread is best prevented by detection

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  165. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Sure, it’s true, that it could become a social question in some societies, especially with external expression of traits can be unrepresentative of ancestry.

    I saw in England, a black mother with two blonde children.

    I was curious for a few seconds, and then realized probably she is half black and half English, while the father of the children would be English.

    3 English grandparents and 1 black grandparent – and the children blonde. In that case, the children would be externally “English/white”, but at the same time they might socially feel like they are black.

    (Actually I just realized something similar with Prince Harry’s children – although in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all, so probably their sentiment of being black will be very distant).

    • Replies: @German_reader
  166. @Dmitry

    Yes, so in Africa it could be the “open polygamy” system, where an old and powerful guy has several wives, who work, and thus provide him with food and other goods (including money). However, the guy cannot really control them, because they are out working all day long, and so they are having affairs with younger guys. This could mean several months or years, or shorter, and with one guy at a time or several guys. (Over the years likely many guys.)

    If one of the younger guys is infected, he is very likely to infect the woman, who in turn will likely infect his other wives, who in turn will infect their own outside marriage partners, etc.

    I forgot about it. The “dry sex” is just one way to result in an infection.

    And of course, serial monogamy is a very simple way of infection.

  167. @Dmitry

    in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all

    iirc one of her parents was white?
    But black Americans are another good example for “race is a social construct” thesis, people like Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice or Eric Holder clearly have substantial European ancestry, but in the US context they’re still seen just as “black” (or think of Obama as well).

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Dmitry
  168. songbird says:
    @reiner Tor

    True, there is more rape. But you should not downplay whoring. Africans do a truly tremendous amount of whoring. When the whites started to be forced out of Rhodesia, all the vacation bungalows were turned into whore-houses.

    Observably, they have the innate predilection, but it is also a major part of their economy. How do you make money, when unemployment and inflation is so high? By whoring. Then there are the contingent unsafe practices predicated by low intelligence.

  169. @Thorfinnsson

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians

    What kind of knowledge?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Thorfinnsson
  170. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Apparently St Augustine was giving sermons on how best to integrate dark triad traits into your personality, and counseling young Christians to act aloof and arrogant to attract women.

    The whole love thing was just a smokescreen.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @dfordoom
  171. @AaronB

    Yeah, I don’t have a positive view of this whole pua movement either (to the extent that I’m aware of it…not sure this even exists apart from internet blogs, where one can claim anything), but I’d still like to read Thorfinnsson’s answer.

  172. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I’m kind-hearted enough that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia, South Africa, or even Hispanolia. Harry’s demon brood would make good figureheads for an African kingdom, to help facilitate resource extraction.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  173. @songbird

    that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia

    Wasn’t there something about the American-descended blacks there being overthrown and massacred by the pure blacks?
    btw, your idea of Harry and Meghan moving to Africa might become true, iirc they’ve considered doing that (though I still expect this marriage to fail disastrously within a few years anyway).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @songbird
  174. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Yes Prince Harry’s wife is half black.

    However, it’s not really obvious, and she became a lot more attractive than her parents, especially for her age.

    The mother is black and not beautiful.

    And the father also an ugly fat man.

  175. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    One interesting development of Christianity was romantic love.

    While there is a grain of truth in this, I think it is also overplayed. The reality seems to be that marriages continued to largely be arranged or at least heavily influenced by family, until relatively recently. For instance, half of my great grandparents married siblings of their inlaws.

    This marriage for love thing in a wider sense is a more recent concept, somewhat influenced by urbanism and social atomization, and this might partly explain why so many have trouble getting married today.

  176. @German_reader

    Wasn’t there something about the American-descended blacks there being overthrown and massacred by the pure blacks?

    Yes, after they had kept them enslaved for over a century. They also constituted just 1% of the population.

  177. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Yes, in black countries, mulattoes and blacks do not get along. This is also true of Haiti and South Africa. And why, out of my kind heart, I advocate deporting mulattoes to destinations were they will become the majority. It is mostly something that would have to be engineered, since DR arguably isn’t big enough to absorb all of them.

    Liberia makes sense mostly out of historical tradition and nearness. It is actually a pretty bad country, even comparatively for the region. But my idea is that it would start to improve dramatically, when a lot of mulattoes were forcibly moved there.

  178. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    Armenians are definitely, mainly brown people

    white skin

    As for racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping similarities. Races in Asia will be genetically much less related to races in Europe.

    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it’s just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic “proximity” so it is better to talk about it, not about race.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  179. @reiner Tor

    People in Brooklyn say its 1) Hitler, 2) Stalin, and 3) Walter O’Malley as the world’s most evil people.

    • Replies: @songbird
  180. @reiner Tor

    Isn’t this Ramsay Bolton character supposed to be some sexual sadist (iirc Razib Khan – whose literary tates seem to be limited to fantasy novels – once wrote that he’s even worse in the books than in the show)?
    So isn’t he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin who never raped anybody and also thought they were creating a better world (social justice and freedom for the oppressed classes in Stalin’s case, preventing racial degeneration and keeping alive the possibility of high civilization in Hitler’s case)?

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @reiner Tor
  181. songbird says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    As much as tradition appeals to me, I think Seinfeld was right when it comes to professional sports: you are rooting for laundry. It is particularly true since the international negrification of almost all sports, even national teams.

    Though I must say O’Malley probably has had a a negative influence. It seems standard practice now for owners to threaten moving unless they get gibs and many pols seem perfectly willing to comply.

    But why care about the Brooklyn Dodgers, when Brooklyn itself has been radically transformed? It seems silly.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  182. Mitleser says:
    @German_reader

    So isn’t he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin

    Certainly.
    Unlike them, he is a kinslayer (half-brothers and father).

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @reiner Tor
  183. Mitleser says:
    @Epigon

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this – released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    Ein weiterer Ausschnitt aus dem sechsstündigen Video, das Heinz-Christian Strache in Bedrängnis brachte, birgt neuen Zündstoff. Darin ist zu hören, wie der langjährige FPÖ-Chef Gerüchte über andere Politiker verbreitet.

    Da ist zu hören: “Also, ich habe einen Informanten, der hat mir Fotos vom Kern geschickt. Mit minderjährigen Schwarzen in Kapstadt.”

    Außerdem spricht Strache von “Sex-Orgien von Kurz in den Drogen-Hinterzimmern”.

    https://www.heute.at/politik/news/story/Heinz-Christian-Strache-FPOE-schwer-belastet-Video-SZ-Spiegel-neuer-Ausschnitt-57184991

    Another excerpt from the six-hour video, which put Heinz-Christian Strache in distress, contains new explosive material. It shows how the long-time FPÖ leader spreads rumours about other politicians.

    There is to be heard: “Well, I have an informant who sent me photos of the core. With underage blacks in Cape Town.”

    Strache also speaks of “sex orgies of Kurz in the drug back rooms”.

    https://www.deepl.com/Translator

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @reiner Tor
  184. In Hungary I read that Strache talked about things like Sebastian Kurz participating in private sex parties and similar things. Interesting that it seems to do him no harm.

    They also wrote that Tal Silberstein (who was recently a campaign advisor of Orbán) might also be behind the video.

    Jan Böhmermann (a German comedian) probably knew about the video already in April, because he made a remark that he was snorting cocaine with some Austrian friends from the FPÖ in a villa of a Russian oligarch in Ibiza while talking about how to buy the Kronen Zeitung. (The paper about which they talk in the video.)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Mitleser
  185. @German_reader

    I have no idea. I just googled “the most evil Game of Thrones character,” that’s how I got to his name.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  186. songbird says:
    @Mitleser

    Unlike them, he is a kinslayer

    In the books, I believe there is at least a slight implication that he is not Roose Bolton’s son, but that Roose was fooled into thinking so by rather poor evidence. Though, Ramsay himself would probably be ignorant of this.

  187. @Mitleser

    Stalin killed some family members, at least several in-laws (from his first wife who he loved; he supposedly said at her funeral that with her his love of mankind died, too), and possibly some bastard children and their families. He also deeply disliked his oldest son (from the same beloved wife). Mentally he was a pretty sick guy. But yes, it’s possible that some caricature evil fantasy characters might be worse.

  188. @Mitleser

    Fotos vom Kern

    Christian Kern is the former Austrian chancellor (Social Democrats).
    German politicians meanwhile have been totally shameless with giving their opinions about Austrian internal affairs…some (like Andrea Nahles of the SPD or Robert Habeck of the Greens) have even demanded new elections in Austria.
    Merkel and her replacement Kramp-Karrenbauer also spoke gravely about the evils of right-wing populism.
    Hopefully the FPÖ will be smart enough to use that as basis for an anti-German election campaign which should motivate Austrians.
    The whole affair is really suspicious, given the likely costs involved for producing that video, I don’t think it can have been done by left-wing activists or journalists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @reiner Tor
  189. Dmitry says:
    @melanf

    white skin

    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both both “too high UV” in the summer, and “too low UV” in the winter, and tans between the two depending on the season.

    Georgia has a mix of minority white (Northern appearing people) and brown ( 30-40 degrees people).

    But in Armenia it’s clearly more uniform brown (i.e. 30-40 degree latitude appearance).

    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it’s just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic “proximity” so it is better to talk about it, not about race.

    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.

    Genetically, they are native to the region.
    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

    External appearance just matches the geographical position of the country Iran, as well as its latitude range.

    • Replies: @melanf
    , @melanf
  190. @reiner Tor

    They also wrote that Tal Silberstein (who was recently a campaign advisor of Orbán)

    Silberstein was involved in some major scandal about dirty campaigning for the Austrian Social Democrats a few years ago:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silberstein-Aff%C3%A4re
    basically something about fake Facebook sites (meant to discredit Sebastian Kurz, by implying supporters of him were Nazis).
    This Strache video is in a whole different league though imo.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  191. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    This would be a major, career-making coup for a journalist to pull off; the fact that nobody has stepped forward to claim credit is strange, to say the least.

  192. Mitleser says:
    @reiner Tor

    According to Herbert Kickl, Austria’s minister of the interior, the ÖVP-FPÖ coalition broke down yesterday because Kurz demanded control of Kickl’s ministry which is the most important ministry run by a FPÖ minister for Kurz’s party. The FPÖ refused.

    https://www.tagesstimme.com/2019/05/19/kickl-oevp-wollte-meinen-rueckzug-als-innenminister-erzwingen/

  193. @reiner Tor

    I just googled “the most evil Game of Thrones character,”

    iirc Ramsay Bolton is some sick pervert who rapes women and then has them mauled to death by vicious dogs.
    It’s the kind of stuff that is supposed to make GoT “dark”, “gritty”, “realistic” etc. (which seems rather dubious to me).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  194. @Mitleser

    So the Social Democratic leader is implicated as a paedophile, while Kurz doesn’t look very good either.

    It’s obvious that this was orchestrated by someone outside the Austrian power structure.

    Apparently the woman was introduced into him through the wife of the other FPÖ politician in the video, a blonde woman who just appeared near the guy right after his father died and he was struggling with depression. So it might have been a very complicated operation, marrying off an FPÖ leader to a spy, or – maybe more likely – getting the dumb blonde into trusting the “niece of the Russian oligarch.”

    At least half the job seems to be to get Strache believe (probably through the wife of his confidante) that it truly is a niece of the oligarch. They avoided proper vetting by getting the wife of the other politician trust in her. (Or the wife herself was a part of it.)

    Getting the villa even for a few days was expensive, but probably not very much so. The secret cameras needed to be installed by professionals – not a trivial job to connect them each to electricity (batteries won’t do, it’s several hours), and not being easily noticeable.

    So I’m pretty sure it wasn’t amateurs.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  195. @German_reader

    Yes, that’s what I concluded in my later comment, it was almost certainly professionals.

    I just mentioned it because it was written on major Hungarian website (and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press).

    • Replies: @German_reader
  196. @reiner Tor

    and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press

    I’m not sure German mainstream media are even asking the question who’s behind this video.
    More likely reaction is they’ll focus on the alleged threat to “independent” media (Strache in the video spoke not just about acquiring influence over the Kronenzeitung, but also about privatizing the public broadcaster ORF – which like the public television channels in Germany is a bulwark of the anti-nationalist establishment view) and congratulate themselves on having done their duty as “investigative journalists” (lol) by unmasking the FPÖ.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Thorfinnsson
  197. @German_reader

    I’d imagine that it cost a lot to build up the persona of the oligarch-niece. She would have to appear in very expensive and very stylish clothes several times, probably with expensive and stylish jewelry, perhaps expensive modes of transport (expensive cars? limos?), and spending money carelessly (like proposing to meet for lunch in some horribly expensive restaurant, then picking up the tab), knowing that the blonde would likely notice details (as women often do), so you cannot make mistakes.

    Even if it was just a few times they met with the wife of the politician and everything was rented, it’s really difficult to imagine it costing less than several tens of thousands of dollars, probably a hundred thousand. It’d be considerably more expensive if done by professionals (like no hidden camera enthusiast installing the cameras for free), and unless it was some intelligence service, it’s hard to know how they could avoid indiscretion on the part of the many people involved.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Mitleser
  198. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    He also flays his enemies alive, including those who surrender to them. Murders hostages. Castrates a hostage. Basically evil for the sake of the evil. Not one of their more nuanced characters (there is usually some logic to when and how a character chooses to be cruel; Ramsay, Prince Joffrey and arguably The Mountain are exceptions to this general rule).

  199. Mitleser says:
    @reiner Tor

    By the way, that is villa: https://www.airbnb.de/rooms/31982791?guests=1&adults=1&sl_alternate_dates_exclusion=true&source_impression_id=p3_1558262002_wzv1V3qq04ym4iTZ

    Architecturally designed new countryside villa, 8 km from Ibiza city centre.
    Swimming pool.
    Main villa: reception room, kitchen, 3 double bedrooms, 3 bathrooms + 1 toilet.
    Separate guesthouse: reception with double sofa-bed, kitchen, 1 double bedroom, 1 bathroom.
    Delightful woodland setting garden. A natural paradise.
    A welcome drink in the villa is a small tribute to thank you for choosing us Wifi.

    Hello, we are Gaetano and Abel, ready to welcome you with the brightness that characterizes is and to satisfy your needs. A welcome drink in the villa is a small gesture to thank you for choosing us. See you soon

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  200. @German_reader

    It’s pretty interesting noticing how people protesting Orbán’s supposed dictatorship have zero problem with this intelligence operation destroying a political party, clearly influencing elections. Even among my family members.

    We can now hope that Austrian voters will react the exact same way they reacted to the Waldheim scandal: by re-electing him.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  201. @reiner Tor

    I also think it’s likely that there’s involvement of intelligence agencies.
    The head of Germany’s Verfassungsschutz has criticised Austrian security services for alleged leaks of sensitive information to Russia:
    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article193726799/Erhebliche-Risiken-Deutscher-Verfassungsschutz-spricht-Oesterreich-Misstrauen-aus.html
    No idea what’s behind this…but it’s worth noting that the current head of the Verfassungsschutz Haldenwang replaced the former head Maaßen, who had to leave last year for daring to criticize the fake narrative of Merkel and other politicians about alleged “pogroms” in Chemnitz. Haldenwang is seen by many as an instrument of the CDU to crush the AfD (he made it public that parts of the AfD are already under observation by the Verfassungsschutz).

  202. @reiner Tor

    will react the exact same way they reacted to the Waldheim scandal: by re-electing him.

    Strache’s political career is probably over…and given how stupid he apparently is, that may be better.
    No idea how much the FPÖ as a party will suffer, I hope they can recover.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  203. @Mitleser

    Renting it for a few days would cost several thousand dollars. I guess they needed to rent it for several days to install the cameras and then remove them. Surely some investigative journalist coughed it up, and then giving it away to other journalists for free, while keeping his anonymity.

  204. @German_reader

    I don’t care for Strache, I barely know him. The FPÖ should survive. Or be replaced by a better party.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  205. Mitleser says:
    @reiner Tor

    At one point Strache seems to understand that the whole thing is a setup. But his right hand man calms him down and vouches for the “Russian”. The sting ends with Strache and his companion leaving the place. The never again see the “Russian” and her co-plotter. Nothing they talked about will ever come to fruition.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/why-the-takedown-of-christian-strache-will-strengthen-the-right.html

    Goddamnit, Gudenus!

  206. @reiner Tor

    Or be replaced by a better party.

    They don’t seem to be optimal anyway, their condemnation of the identitatians was really weak, and they also seem to have favoured all manner of economically liberal policies which weren’t really in the interests of their voters.
    But of course there are similar problems with most right-wing parties.

    • Replies: @songbird
  207. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    their condemnation of the identitarians was really weak,

    I wonder if this had anything to do with the cucking – a separate op for Kurz. But, I suppose, they seem naturally shifty enough without it. Most likely state actor, I think would be Germany, which might bring up unflattering parallels. But I could also see someone like Soros being involved.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  208. @songbird

    I wonder if this had anything to do with the cucking – a separate op for Kurz.

    It seemed more like Kurz wanted to use this business of Brenton Tarrant’s donation to the identitarians as a pretext to reduce FPÖ influence in the coalition and assert more control (iirc he already tried to reduce the prerogatives of interior minister Kickl weeks ago, which would be in line with the claim that the coalition now broke up because of even more extreme demands by Kurz). Maybe he was already planning new elections…apparently someone claimed on Austrian twitter even back in January, that the ÖVP was intending to hold new elections in fall.

    Most likely state actor, I think would be Germany, which might bring up unflattering parallels.

    I’m afraid that could well be the case, obviously something that Austrians would object to, given memories of the Anschluss.
    In any case, the arrogance of German establishment politicians is pretty stunning…they always claim to be good Europeans, yet see nothing wrong with commenting on the internal affairs of other European countries, possibly even interfering in them.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  209. @German_reader

    There’s still some hope that Austrian voters will perceive it as a coup induced by some foreigners.

    • Agree: German_reader
  210. Mikhail says: • Website
    @songbird

    That saying was from the 1950s. By the 1970s, I believe that Brooklyn has pretty gotten over the Dodgers leaving. In nearby Queens, the Mets came into being, winning the 1969 and 1986 World Series. At present, there might be more fans of the Yankees in Brooklyn than Mets supporters. (I haven’t seen any polling on that particular.)

  211. I checked some Hungarian Facebook comments.

    Some people seem to think that producing a kompromat by a “democratic” intelligence service was justified, since the FPÖ had nefarious links to Russia. They obviously cannot conceive of someone being relatively pro-Russia without receiving money from them.

    The obvious point that, if they were supported by Russian intelligence services, then they wouldn’t be begging some fake oligarch-niece for support, instead they’d utilize their existing contacts, seems to elude many people.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @Gerard2
  212. I suppose that’s part of some really, really clever strategy for deescalating tensions.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Gerard2
  213. LatW says:
    @reiner Tor

    But this kind of a thing does make one ponder (even if one is sympathetic to the Freedom Party) on a more pan-European level how safe all these Germanic investments and sell-offs are.

    Would also be interesting to have insight into how comfortable the actual FP electorate would be with what was proposed in the video. After all, it is one thing to like Putin’s Russia and have a largely symbolic cooperation agreement with United Russia but quite another to have them control your media and preference them in lucrative contracts over your own compatriots or Swiss or German brethren.

    Either way, a lot of work has been blown.

    Btw Gudenus’ fraternity was called Vandalia and he was called Wotan. Lol. Must be a pretty entertaining dude IRL.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  214. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    If he wants to bring them to the negotiating table, he should threaten to send them our excess gays and lawyers. Or drop an African bomb on them.

    But seriously, I think it would be a good investment of tax money to hire a John McCain look-a-like to follow him around whispering McCain lines into his ear. One wonders at the psychology of it. How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

  215. @songbird

    How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

    Although de jure the US President possesses quite a bit of power, in practice I think there is very little that they can do that is outside the window of opinion approved by the deep state.

    Just about the only major change in policy that isn’t merely an intensification of the status quo Trump has brought forth is the trade war with China, and even that is most likely because of a shift in opinion within the circle of permanent officials (see Chuck Schumer giving a “bipartisan” stamp of approval for the trade war).

    That is not to excuse Trump’s numerous personal flaws, but it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.

  216. @Hyperborean

    You’re giving Trump far too much of a pass, this whole “Deep state” business is reaching “If only the Führer knew” levels of ridiculousness – if there were some unchanging “Deep state” behind Iran policy, how the hell did Obama manage to bring about the nuclear agreement which Trump wants to wreck? No, the fault is with Trump, the retarded version of American “nationalism” he apparently believes in, and with his ethnocentric Jewish relatives and donors. Nobody forced Trump into a close relationship with nutty hardline Zionists like “let’s drop a nuke in Iran as a negotiating tactic” Sheldon Adelson or “Iran is the devil” Bernard Marcus, nobody forced him to hire John Bolton of all people. These were his personal decisions, someone like Pat Buchanan would never have done it.

    • Agree: for-the-record, dfordoom
  217. songbird says:
    @Hyperborean

    He is supposedly going to try to use the Insurrection Act to deport illegals. Pretty legally sound on paper, but I doubt anything will actually come of it. Previously used during the LA Riots (Bush 41) and to desegregate schools under Eisenhower.

    it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.

    I don’t think Buchanan could have done much with Congress, let alone the Deep State. Maybe, if he ran earlier, but I suppose he was up against the Republican establishment. I’m sure he would have won, if he was the candidate in ’88.

  218. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    There are is so much contradictory information out there on Iran it’s difficult to know what is what. Trump tweets out these threats, and yet the media reports he is opposed to war and angered by his staff members who keep agitating for it? Who even supports a war with Iran besides Bolton? Most of the neocons have shifted into the “Never Trump” camp, and from what I can tell they are opposed to this war. Certainly the left opposes it.

    My strong suspicion is that nothing will happen, and that Trump is being his usual disjointed self. Iran will be invaded the same day Hillary Clinton is remanded to federal prison.

  219. @songbird

    What did Iranians do to you so that you propose using the dreaded Afrobomb which is an WMD on them? Just kidding but this is a very frightening idea..

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki survived nukes. Yet Detroit could not survive the Afrobomb.

    • Replies: @songbird
  220. songbird says:
    @EastKekistani

    And after the period of fallout, the slight added radiation had a hormetic effect on health. Is there a hormetic level of blacks? A small number seem to be the bridgehead. It is like getting an x-ray and then having an A-bomb dropped on you, in consequence.

    Speaking of nukes, I have wondered if Detroit is still targeted. I imagine so, from a legacy standpoint of people not wanting to rock the boat. But what would make strategic sense? I don’t know – but if I were the enemy, I’d probably leave it intact.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  221. @songbird

    If I were Putin or Xi I would not have put any Negroid city except for Washington, DC on the target list for its value is negative. That’s for sure. No matter who I fight against I always antagonize Negroids the most so that my enemies will ally with and then get harmed by them. This applies everywhere.

    I don’t think there is a hormetic level of blacks lol. Even Okinawa has too many of them. Just like benzene any dose of blacks is unsafe.

  222. Logan says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    Based on what?

    Somebody give me a definition of who is and is not white and why they draw the line where it is.

  223. @LatW

    As I wrote elsewhere, I understand anti-Russian feelings on the part of Balts, and I’m not sure this could be repaired. However, it’s obvious that “our” media is already not in our hands. So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands – provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction – would already be an improvement.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  224. @Logan

    Mostly: descendants of European Christians are white, others not. Usually Albanians (who are theoretically majority Muslims, though relatively recent converts, at least a significant minority is Christian, and most are atheists or weak Muslims) and Bosniaks (similar to Albanians except for the Christian part) are given a pass. Occasionally Volga Tatars, too. (I personally don’t care about these either way.)

    The line is arbitrary (Turks are genetically close to Greeks, etc.) but any line is going to be arbitrary. Thorfinnsson would exclude Balkan peoples, but I don’t like it: for example adding Greeks gives us a great glorious history, and I’d think that Balkan peoples are similar enough (and like Hungarians, their national mythology contains having been a bulwark against the Muslim Turks), and they are small enough not to matter.

  225. LondonBob says:
    @Logan

    The wogs begin at Calais.

    • LOL: songbird
  226. @reiner Tor

    So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands – provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction

    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian “Nazis”?). I don’t watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and “antiracist”.
    I’m against the current confrontation with Russia and don’t regard it as being in the genuine interests of EU countries (not even those of Poland or the Baltic states), but among parts of the European right there is too much uncritical pro-Russia sentiment (certainly the case with Germany’s AfD, some of whom seem eager to merely transfer the slavish devotion to America, which is typical of many Germans, to Russia). Hopes that Putin will be our saviour seem like really misguided wishful thinking to me. I don’t see the point of contacts like those discussed in the Strache video, even many potential right-wing voters will always regard something like this as treasonous, a dumb idea imo.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @AP
    , @reiner Tor
  227. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both

    I often see Armenians in St. Petersburg, where is very little sun. Armenians have black hair and black eyes, but their skin is white. In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes “brown” even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)

    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.
    Genetically, they are native to the region.

    I guess I don’t speak English well. Armenians and Iranians belong to the “big” race which in Russian is called “Europeids” and in English has a stupid name the “Caucasoids”. It’s just a scientific fact. This race is indigenous to both Europe and Western Asia (and also to North Africa)

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    , @Dmitry
  228. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    Georgia has a mix of minority white (Northern appearing people)

    As far as I know “white” is representative of europides (Caucasian) race with white skin (that is, southern and Northern Europeans are white). If we assume that the “white” is the owners of the Northern appearance, then the majority of the population of Europe is not white

  229. Mitleser says:
    @German_reader

    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian “Nazis”?).

    Depends on their relations with the anti-immigrantion side.

  230. AP says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and “antiracist”.

    RT in the USA was supporting Black Lives Matter:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/444567-music-black-lives-matter/

    • Replies: @Gerard2
    , @reiner Tor
  231. @melanf

    In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes “brown” even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)

    I don’t see a lot of Armenians but there are Turks, Kurds, Iranians in Helsinki and there is no way most of Finns or Estonians could reach their average skin color by tanning. My family on my father’s side is dark haired (by Finn standards) but we just burn in the sun and there’s no way we could tan so much that we would have skin like the Turks.

    There are a lot of northerners that can’t tan much and even some that really can’t tan at all (the red hair gene frequently pushes people into this level of paleness).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @melanf
  232. I want to thank the writers of Game of Thrones for proving once and for all that the ending to The Sopranos was not as bad as people said.

    Long live The Sopranos, the best TV series ever.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  233. Gerard2 says:
    @reiner Tor

    since the FPÖ had nefarious links to Russia

    Seriously….WTF are “nefarious links to Russia”?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  234. ‘This will finally stop them from calling us Nazis’

    But the resolution that was ultimately approved wasn’t strong enough for some. Arguing on behalf of the AfD motion, MP Jurgen Braun belligerently declared his party “Israel’s one true friend in parliament,” and accused the other factions of “shying away” from making BDS illegal. “Anti-Semitism comes from the left,” he said, “and it comes from Islam.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-rowdy-german-parliament-okays-landmark-anti-bds-law-far-right-afd-wants-more/

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @German_reader
  235. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    RT in the USA was supporting Black Lives Matter:

    LOL….remind me of the current status of “Ukraine Today” ? Did it last 12 minutes of 14?
    The failed f**ktard Banderatard community in North America proven too poor, remote and lazy to bother to watch this dogsh*t. Probably because they themselves know there is no such thing as “Ukraine”….just a form of anti-Russia backed up by polish dickheads and American money.

    To be fair, the fate of “Ukraine Today” is no less of a failure then the flea-brained UkroNazi idea of promoting Kyiv instead of Kiev(hahahah) ….something even the most supposedly “pro”-Ukraine luntics in western politics are too disinterested to do. ‘Kyiv” has in fact gone the way of the Dodo.

    As for RT itself, a million times better than any ukrop channel…but still utter shit. High degree of control from liberasts…and I am pretty sure that numerous BBC Russia/Nastoryaschi Vremya/Ekho idiot journalists have worked there

  236. @German_reader

    That much is true, but we were talking about a hypothetical scenario: LatW was asking if it’d be acceptable for FPÖ voters or European nationalists in general if the Austrian press became pro-FPÖ by being bought up by an FPÖ-friendly Russian oligarch. And my answer was that it’d be an improvement.

    • Replies: @LatW
  237. @Kent Nationalist

    Cucks. Neither Israel nor its friends in Germany will reciprocate, and they’ll be called Nazis anyway.

  238. Gerard2 says:
    @German_reader

    I suppose that’s part of some really, really clever strategy for deescalating tensions.

    America doesn’t lose, either way. Exploiting these situations to get a hugely increased amount of crude oil exported throughout the world ( with the supposed masses of environmental activists in green California completely silent) …is a form of genius.

    Look at Gruzia, Moldovia and failed states like Ukraine…all American projects – but even though Ukropia has thoroughly rejected the American imposed freakshow on them in the last years – theAmericans can get away from any association without any problem…..then just appoint/control the next set of idiots. They can just use Ukropia as the prostitute it is – using it to (ridiculous) buy /suck all the coal from Pennsylvania it wants ( at inflated prices) ………and all in exchange for giving a few handshakes and smiles to the cameras in the Oval Office for the ukrop parasite to promote back at home. Very easy work

  239. @Jaakko Raipala

    we just burn in the sun

    I am a lot like that (very white skin), but in recent years I started to sunbathe around March-April, and now I can spend at least 45 minutes under the Sun at noon during the summer without any problems. I’m wondering if I spent more time working the fields (as my ancestors had done) in Central Europe, I’d probably go shirtless at least a few days already in March (several hours at a time), maybe 10 days in April, 20 days or more in May (not this year, obviously, but usually it’s pretty sunny), and then my skin would withstand it. Or else, maybe I’d be careful and only go shirtless for a few hours between April and late August (like one hour shirtless, another hour in a shirt, etc.) to avoid sunburn. But I’m pretty sure I would never be really brown-skinned, it’s a combination of freckles and and a reddish-brown color, but it certainly survives 45 minutes in the summer around noon, so it’s pretty good. My face and arms can survive way more, like maybe 1.5 hours (if I keep moving, i.e. not all the time sunbathing face to the sun, rather just walking under the sun, if I occasionally move to the shades, it can be at least 2 hours), since they’re exposed all the time. “All the time” is misleading, since – quite unhealthily – I spend a lot of time in an office in front of a computer. So probably the skin on my face would be better, too.

  240. LondonBob says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I loved the Sopranos’ ending. The whole last series was magnificent, after coming to love Tony we were gently reminded that he is a bad guy and that he got his just desserts.

  241. @AP

    RT is run by leftists. Russia doesn’t have an ideology or a coherent propaganda, and what they do have is pretty lame and their propaganda points often contradict one another (which makes the “Russian meddling” accusations all the more ridiculous), so it’s pretty unlikely that the hypothetical question discussed with LatW (about Strache’s deal with the oligarch being real) could come true. Look at The Independent, which is owned by a Russian oligarch, and it’s not even properly pro-Russian at all, it’s almost as anti-Russian as the rest of the British press.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    , @Dmitry
  242. Dmitry says:
    @melanf

    Armenians have black hair and black eyes, but their skin is white.

    Terms “white”, “brown”, “black”, “yellow” emerged as colloquial reference to coloration of skin and hair of different races – originally from travelers and explorers.

    For example, Japanese people are not actually “yellow” – it’s emerged as a colloquial reference to East Asian peoples’ melanin level (when European travellers first saw Chinese/Japanese – who were probably outside laborers in the summer).

    However, it all based on objective reality of melanin production, and the inherited genes for this.

    In populations from 23° and 46° latitude – skin pigmentation usually can change depending on the season of the year.

    As for caucasians –

    From the colouration, Georgians clearly include a mix of people from different latitude origins.

    Armenians’ colour always appear more uniformly representative of people from 30°- 40° latitude.

    You can look at children of Pushkin school in Armenia in the winter

    By comparison, with schools in Tbilisi – the Georgian race always looks like they have a mix of different colours (people from different latitudes).

    I guess I don’t speak English well. Armenians and Iranians belong to the “big” race which in Russian is called “Europeids” and in English has a stupid name the “Caucasoids”. It’s just a scientific fact. This race is indigenous to both Europe and Western Asia (and also to North Africa).

    I know and this is from 18th century German taxonomy. I don’t understand why classifying the world into 5 races, with e.g. (placing Indians and Arabs together with Europeans) is useful.

    If we assume that the “white” is the owners of the Northern appearance, then the majority of the population of Europe is not white

    If we’re speaking clearly, white refers to colouration levels. While European, refers to nationalities with origin of thousands of years in Europe.

    In general, these two categories can overlap, but there are some exceptions. (And of course, in the Ancient World, this division did not make as much sense as in the modern world – e.g. when Romans did not notice that Carthaginians looked different to them, but thought that Germans looked strange). .

    • Replies: @melanf
  243. Denis says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Roosh is an idiot with an extreme Madonna-whore complex, nothing more. The idea that he has done anything of value by crusading to turn male virgins into whoremongers is laughable.

  244. @reiner Tor

    Iran in fact has a more interesting history of sponsoring various very marginal right-wing and nationalist (i.e. antisemitic) activists in Europe, although it was much more prominent under Ahmedinijad.

    People from Farrakhan to David Duke to E Michael Jones, America’s greatest geocentric intellectual, have been there and are big fans.

  245. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    RT is just designed for undermining Western self-confidence. Or self-confidence of Western populations to their governments.

    It’s ideology will be what is considered useful for this objective achieving it.

    It is monitored at a higher level by a few people from intelligence agencies, who will try to make sure it isn’t completely wasting money (although obviously, it is completely wasting money and annoying Western publics).

    I would say something bad about it. But I use Spanish RT television streaming on my headphones many days – it is almost the easiest way to learn Spanish and they usually have nicer Latin American accents.
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2mtXUpAYLYJIZ2deSPhlqw

  246. @LondonBob

    *I* also enjoyed the Sopranos’ ending, but people demand unambiguous endings. Presumably since their lives are so full of ambiguity.

    Although between you and me, I think Tony got whacked by the guy in the members first hat.

  247. @Denis

    What do you think of the recently-purged Chateau Heartiste?

    • Replies: @Denis
  248. @Kent Nationalist

    I was not aware that E. Michael Jones is a geocentrist.

    A lot of people are talking about him after his interview with Owen Benjamin, but 1) I was familiar with him before that and 2) I did not watch the Benjamin interview.

    Can you refer me to a citation for that?

    My impression was that Robert Sungenis was America’s “greatest” geocentrist intellectual.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  249. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    LOL….that has nothing to do with promiscuity you thick cr***n. Lvov isn’t know as the sex capital of Europe because of the good morals of the female population you dimwit!

    Places where there is more people, more urbanisation, more jobs, more job prospects, more hospitals, more roads, more housing will also have more HIV cases – particularly up against the North Caucasus of Europe ( Galicia). It has absolutely nothing to do with promiscuity . Not least because also the number of people who have moved from Western Ukraine to Novorossiya/Kiev far outweighs the number who have gone from Donbass or the whole of Novorossiya to western Ukraine over the last 25 years. That would be the same if comparing New York to Montana you dumbass

    A. The map doesn’t include Kiev, which would be the most important measure for the whole thing you idiot.

    B. Khlmenitsky Oblast results pretty much contradict your nonsense ( as does Kharkov , one of the most Russian places ever……and the low results in Zakarpattia in the west but not actually a “western Ukrainian” type of place)

    C. Going back to the obvious fact that the places where more people aspire to live there will be more disease possible, you can see that it gets worse – with the failed revolution of “dignity” probably bringing to power less “western Ukrainians” than before…….the head of the Consitutional Court ( in this freakshow will probably be more important a job than ever before) is a woman from Donetsk – a Yanukovich appointee! Think how bad it is, that with all this Banderastanisation/US funded liberasts/Svidomism, on the main thing they go on about (rule of law/corruption) a Donetsk lady, from the Yanukovich side of things is now the top legal authority in the country! What’s unusual is that now, she will be the only high profile position in Ukraine in which the corresponding position in Russia is not also filled by a woman ( such as head of central bank, Education Minister, Health Minister etc)
    So to go with all the tonnes of science, mathematics, engineering, artists, writers, composers, singers, chess players,sports-stars,businessmen and so on from Donbass or the whole Novorossiya area that dwarf those from Galicia and /or the whole west Ukrainian area……can be added top legal position as well as President of course

    • Replies: @Gerard2
    , @AP
    , @AP
  250. @Kent Nationalist

    I think I already mentioned it, but the Israeli ambassador Jeremy Issacharoff has accused AfD of nostalgia for the Nazi era and considers them a grave threat to German democracy.
    A large part of AfD is unfortunately pretty stupid.

  251. African migrants seized Paris airport terminal, demanding that they receive permanent residence. It’s not totally clear what happened, but probably their demands were met, at least the French prime minister talked to them.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/hundreds-black-vest-migrants-seize-paris-airport-terminal-france-does-not-belong

  252. China might restrict rare earths exports to the US in retaliation for the Huawei embargo. I haven’t fully read this article, but seems interesting.

    http://www.mining.com/web/rare-earths-cross-hairs-new-high-tech-arms-race/

  253. Sorry for the Zero Hedge link barrage. I think these are all interesting.

    The Washington Post editorial’s headline (5/14/19) had the US “drifting” toward war with Iran—another example, as analyst Nima Shirazi quipped, of the “world’s superpower somehow having no agency over its own imperialism.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/corporate-media-setting-iran-new-threat-must-be-confronted

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  254. @reiner Tor

    On the current /r/geopolitics front page, there is a link to Trump openly stating that the “military industrial complex wants me in Syria at all costs”. There’s a lot of pressure on him.

    A more interesting question is why Trump’s fundamentally sound foreign policy instincts – at display so vivedly in the South Carolina GOP primary debate where he crushed Jeb! thoroughly – has been completely subdued by neocon advisers. He began by surrounding himself with good people (Bannon, Gorka – who has hungarian ancestry one might add) but all of them left/were purged and we ended up with kushner and bolton as the two driving policy. It’s a mystery to my mind.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  255. Our good friend Thierry Baudet, leader of FvD in the Netherlands, and who has refused to distance himself from HBD, has done us a good service:

    A long-form article of what can only be described as genuine conservatism: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2019/05/houellebecqs-unfinished-critique-of-liberal-modernity/

    Not the neoliberal “small state” claptrap which passes for GOP milquetoast variety, but whose adherents all basically accept the fundamental precepts of the liberal world view.

    Questioning some of the basic premises and core tenets of liberalism. In my view, while talking about HBD is fine, we have to go beyond it. It is incomplete as a weltanschauung. There is a lot to conservatism that we are missing in our political debates with its neoliberal vs leftist paradigm. I want conservatism to graduate beyond retarded capitalism-can-do-no-wrong cheering and unshackle itself from the core assumptions of liberalism. Baudet’s questioning of the wisdom of having women in the work force in particular is something very few “conservatives” would even have the balls to approach.

    I like him.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  256. @Vishnugupta

    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.

    Public opinion doesn’t matter, elite opinion does. Taiwan’s public was against gay marriage by 70% to 30% in favor. The ruling party bulldozed them and got it legalised. In India, the Supreme Court ruled in this year that “trans” women may marry under the 1955 marriage act.

    Was this demanded by the people? No, but it reached a critical threshold among elites. Even the supposed Hindu “nationalist” party didn’t object. Also, your country is not as based as you think it is.


    India could very well legalise gay marriage within 15 years. Karan Johar, who is one of the prime movers and shakers among the Brothelhood elite has already stated that he wants to do homosexual romances on-screen going ahead in order to “break barriers”. A few days ago, the first active Indian athlete(Dutee Chand) came out as gay. It’s happening and its the elite that counts. Also, judging by the World Values Survey, the people are not far behind.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @songbird
  257. @Thulean Friend

    A more interesting question is why Trump’s fundamentally sound foreign policy instincts – at display so vivedly in the South Carolina GOP primary debate where he crushed Jeb! thoroughly – has been completely subdued by neocon advisers.

    His foreign policy ideas were never that sound, he never was a principled skeptic of military interventions.
    iirc his main criticism of the Iraq war was some ridiculous whining that it hadn’t been lucrative enough for America (“Why didn’t we take their oil?”).
    He also was in favour of dramatically expanding the US military during his campaign.
    Most crucially, he always was hostile to the nuclear agreement with Iran, peddling the argument that Obama had somehow sold out American security by making a “very bad deal” with the mullahs. His current stance on Iran isn’t some drastic change of positions, it’s a logical evolution of the views he espoused already back in 2016.
    I think it’s well past time that Trump shouldn’t be given the benefit of the doubt anymore…one has to recognize that his brand of American nationalism is at core aggressive, militarist and fully in line with the idea that the US is an “exceptional” nation for which rules don’t apply and which shouldn’t be bound by any treaties (demonstrated in his enthusiasm for tearing down nuclear arms control and missile limitation treaties). It probably shouldn’t have been surprising, Trump is merely an especially crass manifestation of certain tendencies that were already discernible during the Bush II administrations (I recommend Anatol Lieven’s American nationalism, imo it’s a good compendium about what makes people like Trump and many of his voters tick, also doesn’t shy away from controversial subjects like the demented love for Israel so evident in Trump’s administration). Unless one’s a Zionist Jew or a Gulf Arab, there’s no reason imo why any non-American should be sympathetic to that programme. European right-wingers should drop any illusions that Trump and his ilk are somehow on our side.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  258. @Thulean Friend

    I think whether an individual is better off being free is personality-dependent. I for example want absolute individual freedom for myself because deep down in my heart I’m a crusader for principles. I don’t want any social relations to be able to force me to abandon my principles. It might not be optimal for other people though.

    Here is another key issue. Coercion just like killing is a powerful social tool. Free individuals aren’t that interested in forcing non-free people to become free. On the other hand non-free people are very interested in subjugating free individuals.

  259. @Thulean Friend

    In India which is a country that socially has three genders (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(Indian_subcontinent) ) gay marriage is probably not a part of a major trad vs modernist conflict.

    Instead maybe you should look into “Can people marry between castes?” or “Shall atheism be tolerated?”

    I personally believe that except for a few religious fundamentalists the abstract trad vs modernist conflict is more important than specific cultural issues that are culture-dependent. Trads are defined as people who do whatever their parents do and believe whatever their parents believe (even if what their parents do is suicidal and what their parents believe are objectively false). Modernists are defined as those who challenge trads.

    • Replies: @Logan
  260. So for example a commie in mainland China, a devoted Sunni Muslim in Saudi Arabia and a devoted Catholic in Poland are likely trads. On the other hand a Christian convert in Saudi Arabia and a Pole who converted to Islam are modernists / anti-trads. What they actually believe and do are irrelevant. Instead whether they conform to whatever their parents do and believe are what matters.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  261. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    There is even an NGO now called the Rainbow Railroad, which is focused on importing more gays from abroad. Many from black countries (super high rates of HIV, etc), which is a curious inversion of the old immigration policy when people were inspected for health, quarantined, and often left to die, if they were infected.

  262. Ray P says:
    @EastKekistani

    Communism is explicitly against tradition. Islam and Christianity are rival traditions.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  263. @Ray P

    That depends on what you consider traditional. For example I can easily argue that all white non-heathens are anti-traditional if we use pre-Christian white cultures as the tradition. Is this what we really want though?

    For young people growing up in the PRC communism is traditional while anti-communism is novel. Why? Because rebels in modern China are rarely commies. Of course before 1949 it was the other way around. Chiang Kai-shek was considered boring and conformist while both Western and Soviet ideas were rebellious.

    • Replies: @Adam
    , @Ray P
  264. @German_reader

    AaronB’s point has merit, though that’s not what I was going for. I’m not really a fan of DARK TRIAD since it has overtones of immorality and even evil. I’d rather say high value behavior. It’s not necessarily DARK TRIAD for instance to refuse to let people, including attractive women, to walk all over you. It’s simple self-respect. Wall Street Playboys once described “game” as pretending to be rich.

    The actual lost knowledge (lost by most, not completely eradicated) that was rediscovered was the difference between the masculine and feminine, and how as a man you must lead women. This was originally “researched” by these people simply to get laid, but has applicability in proper relationships and is described in such terms by Christian “game” writers such as Dalrock: https://dalrock.wordpress.com

    A banal example of this is when couples discuss where to go out for dinner. Women absolutely hate it when men say they are fine with anything and “whatever you want honey” because it comes off as weak and indecisive.

  265. @reiner Tor

    Right. However it is almost never how the word “patriarchy” is used in the modern West.

  266. @German_reader

    Welcome to independent media, home of the damn good journalists

  267. @Hyperborean

    Chuck Schumer has long been a protectionist.

    In the early 2000s he and Paul Craig Roberts (yes, that PCR) co-wrote an op-ed in the prestige media (don’t recall if it was the Journal or the NYT) denouncing “free trade” and predicting dire consequences for the American economy.

    I agree with you otherwise. Marco Rubio blurting out in a hearing that perhaps America needs an industrial policy to compete with “Chinese state capitalism” was very telling.

  268. @Logan

    Based on people generally not considering anyone from the Middle East to be white.

    The line is probably drawn there because the Middle East is considered Islamic.

    • Replies: @Logan
  269. AP says:
    @Gerard2

    She is from Vynnytsia – central Ukraine, not western Ukraine.

    You don’t even know basic geography 🙂

  270. AP says:
    @Gerard2

    LOL, you were triggered and now you will be triggered even more:

    Places where there is more people, more urbanisation, more jobs, more job prospects, more hospitals, more roads, more housing will also have more HIV cases

    LOL. Lviv is twice the size of Luhansk. Luhansk has much more HIV.

    The American expatriates who ran the eXile were experts on prostitution. This is what they had to say:

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7573

    “Lola, my whore, came from Severodonetsk, a toxic dump in the Lugansk oblast, the Russified east of Ukraine.I rented her late on Sunday, November 28th — the same day that the Ukrainian governors of several pro-Yanukovich regions were holding a congress in Severodonetsk, threatening to create a breakaway southeastern Ukrainian republic if the “orange” revolution in Kiev succeeded. It was one of those coincidences that writers invent to give a sordid story some relevance — but invention in this case isn’t necessary. We’re talking about whores here, folks. Any john in Moscow knows that Yanukovich country, the pro-Russian southeast of Ukraine, is the snapper-basket of Europe, the white world’s most fertile breeding ground for whores, the Golden Triangle of prostitution production.”

    That’s where HIV comes from.

    That would be the same if comparing New York to Montana

    Lviv is more urban and has more people than Luhansk, which is full of HIV.

    Donbas – birth rate of Japan and HIV rate of sub-Saharan Africa.

    What else would you expect from a land of Sovoks?

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  271. LatW says:
    @reiner Tor

    FP is a relatively popular party with solid roots so it’s a bit surprising that they would look to foreigners for media support. For FP it may not be possible to do what Orban did with the help of his rich friend (what liberals call “state capture”), but surely there must be some resources. This should arise organically from within.

    Anyway, Strache probably didn’t even mean it, he certainly doesn’t seem very cunning. I watched his raps from a few years back, funny and tacky. He’s just a kind, simple guy who wants to keep his culture.

    Most Russian capital is actually benign but in the Baltics there are areas where it shouldn’t be allowed (media, real estate around airports, along the border, etc, this is something that some Germans have traditionally been interested in). As to media, neither the Russians nor the Bonniers of this world should have control.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @reiner Tor
  272. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    There were already guerilla units fighting the Red Army before Stahlecker arrived in Riga in July 1941. At first the communication was decent but it deteriorated once the Germans started implementing their goals. There was a lot of back and forth about how our troops should be supplied, who should command them, etc.

    By 1942 it was clear what was going on, at that point the hope was to have the boys available on our territory for when the Russians come back. Germans had other goals as they needed men on the Eastern front and in 1943 started a mobilization (illegal by international standards). The heart, of course, aches for the boys (too many, too young) but it’s partially our own fault – these kinds of things need to be resisted more aggressively. The Lithuanians simply evaded the mobilization. It cost them but it cost us more, some must volunteer to die to buy time for others.

  273. Denis says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I think pick-up artists in general are pretty retarded.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  274. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Thorfinnsson

    As for homo-sexuality, many Western moderates and conservatives had the attitude of not giving a shit either. The trouble with maintaining that attitude is that you might not care about homo-sexuality, but Homintern cares a great deal about you.

    Yep.

  275. @Denis

    How are they retarded? PUAs just like divorce-rape women and ethnoglobe promoters from any tribe are a product of rationality and knowledge (and hence Machiavellianism). When people gain enough knowledge about humanity they often become competent sociopaths. As I said before, societies depend on ignorance to be stable. Knowledgeable people and norm-breakers overlap a lot. When the average people in a society become sufficiently knowledgeable the society becomes nasty. The more knowledgeable the people, the nastier the society.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  276. @EastKekistani

    When people gain enough knowledge about humanity they often become competent sociopaths. As I said before, societies depend on ignorance to be stable. Knowledgeable people and norm-breakers overlap a lot. When the average people in a society become sufficiently knowledgeable the society becomes nasty. The more knowledgeable the people, the nastier the society.

    Why should this necessarily be so? You seem to equate knowledge with cynicism.

    However, the more humane parts of the world are located in places where people are more knowledgeable on a general cultural level.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  277. dfordoom says: • Website
    @LondonBob

    AIDs is really a disease of homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Almost impossible for heterosexuals to contract, as evidenced by prostitutes.

    It’s more accurate to say that it’s a disease of sodomy and intravenous drug use. In a degenerate society in which even heterosexuals practise sodomy you’ll have an AIDS problem.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  278. dfordoom says: • Website
    @reiner Tor

    I think it has a lot to do with the prevalence of “dry sex,” as they call it, which is to say, rape. During “dry sex,” both parties’ sexual organs suffer minor injuries, which makes it possible for the blood of one to get into the bloodstream of the other, thus leading to infection.

    Yes, good point.

    It all comes down to degenerate sexual behaviour of one sort or another.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  279. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Apparently St Augustine was giving sermons on how best to integrate dark triad traits into your personality, and counseling young Christians to act aloof and arrogant to attract women.

    The whole love thing was just a smokescreen.

    Not entirely. But romantic love was a relatively late development. It seemed to start with the popularity of the idea of courtly love in around about the 12th century.

  280. dfordoom says: • Website
    @German_reader

    European right-wingers should drop any illusions that Trump and his ilk are somehow on our side.

    Yes.

  281. Adam says:
    @EastKekistani

    There’s a difference between tradition (the enduring customs and beliefs of a society) and Tradition, which has a metaphysical basis. Cosmopolitanism, democracy, and sexual liberation are becoming the primary traditions of the modern west, but it obviously absurd to call some leftist degenerate ‘traditional’ and a traditional Catholic rebellious.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Dmitry
  282. @dfordoom

    It is first of all a disease of Negroids.

  283. @Adam

    Soc libs can become traditional if their way of life turns out to be sustainable. Trads change a lot over time just like anti-trads. The former is just a lot more stable and changes a couple centuries later than the latter. Of course if their way of life is unsustainable then they won’t affect traditionalism much.

    There can be very rebellious traditional Catholics…if they were born in very non-Catholic countries such as Saudi Arabia. I’m not sure what defying Islam in Saudi Arabia and converting to traditional Catholicism is if not a form of rebellion. Hell maybe you will find that these converts probably have personalities similar to hipsters even if their practices and beliefs are trad. I’m not joking.

    In fact both Christianity and Islam started from rebellious and marginalized people. Of course things changed when they actually dominated societies to the point that this is basically forgotten.

  284. @dfordoom

    Dry sex isn’t rape. At least that’s what is said on Wikipedia.

  285. @Hyperborean

    Knowledge about humanity and cynicism about humanity are not technically the same. However in practice they are positively correlated because evolution selects for groups that use myths and falsehoods to trick their members to be pro-social. Hence one’s knowledge about humanity correlates with the amount of black pills one has taken, that is, the amount of rejected pro-social myths that one’s society once indoctrinated him/her into.

    You are right that the more humane parts of the world also currently have more knowledge. Yes. Old habits (and morals) die slowly. This doesn’t imply that they don’t die. SJ / Humanist morality is basically a corrupted version of Christian morality. Hence it is inherently self-contradictory because Christian ethics and atheistic worldview contradict each other. When people finally reject vestiges of Christianity especially corrupted Christian ethics (as many do on 8chan) we get an increasingly Hobbesian world with people eventually killing each other over anything.

  286. There’s something fishy going on with the Austrian FPÖ scandal.

    The scandal was supposedly about a Russian oligarch asking for favors via a niece of his. This “niece” was recorded in Ibiza asking for favours from leading FPÖ members and this tape was released over the weekend.

    The problem? Turns out that this oligarch doesn’t even have siblings! But these minor details doesn’t appear to bother or distract anyone from doing a total purge. Kurz had demanded that the interior minister of Austria, Herbert Kickl, should resign early on in the “scandal”. Kickl, a member of the FPÖ, had used the interior ministry to go after some of the members of the Deep State early on, leading to emotionally charged cries of fascism a few years back.

    Now every single member of the FPÖ coalition government has resigned. Putin had also come to the wedding of the previous foreign minister’s wedding, Karin Kneissl, given that the FPÖ had nominated her and she was seen as too pro-Russian. This has all the hallmarks of an engineering self-coup to purge FPÖ. Now Kurz has called a snap election and his ÖVP are getting close to 40% in the polls. I wouldn’t be surprised if we ended up with another cozy center-right/center-left coalition like the one we have in Germany right now.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  287. AP says:
    @Gerard2

    Just to pile on further, here is a comparison of various social problems, Lviv and Luhansk, before the war:

    % of Ukraine’s:

    Population:

    Lviv oblast: 5.5%
    Luhanks oblast: 5.3%

    Divorces:

    Lviv oblast: 3.9%
    Luhanks oblast: 6.1%

    Children born out of wedlock:

    Lviv oblast: 2.5%
    Luhansk oblast: 5.2%

    Teenage criminals:

    Lviv oblast: 4.2%
    Luhanks oblast: 7.1%

    Syphillis:
    Lviv oblast: 2.7%
    Luhanks oblast: 7.2%

    Gonorrhea:

    Lviv oblast: 2.7%
    Luhanks oblast: 6.7%

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::

    “Western Ukrainians never internalized Communism, never perceived Communism as “their own” country, and never believed that the Soviet army liberated them. They defiantly baptized their children before 1991 and transmitted traditionally sophisticated culinary recipes from grandmother to granddaughter. This tradition disappeared from Eastern Ukraine due to permanent food shortages and the pauperization of daily life. Western Ukrainian farmers who put on suits, white shirts and polished shoes for church on Sunday are rather difficult to imagine in eastern Ukraine. In a sense, they are the “bourgeois” , members of the burgliche Gesellshaft that the Bolsheviks had long ago completely destroyed in the eastern part of the country.”

    • Replies: @Adam
  288. Adam says:
    @AP

    Those differences are certainly significant, but probably not enough to call Donbass degenerate and Lviv some conservative paradise.

    Ukrainians didn’t build Lviv, so I’m not sure they have some right to claim its architecture as their achievements. Russians can squat in foriegn cities too.

    The pointless and incorrect use of German is rather amusing.

    • Replies: @AP
  289. Nick Conrad is back! The guy who rapped about “hang White” and was fined for racism is out with a new video. Now he is rapping about fucking france and then strangles a White woman in the video to death.

    I was about to rhetorically ask what kind of White woman would volunteer for this video. Then again we’ve seen pieces of trash in this comment section defend shitskin sex tourists, so maybe we shouldn’t be so surprised. Let’s call her “thorfinnson with tits” 😀 Same amount of degeneracy and same amount of treasonous behaviour.

    Oh, and naturally Youtube isn’t taking it down. As long as it targets white people, it’s “art” and “freedom of expression”. This is how you know the system is anti-white.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @songbird
  290. Mitleser says:
    @LatW

    FP is a relatively popular party with solid roots so it’s a bit surprising that they would look to foreigners for media support.

    As Martin Sellner noted, 38% of Austrian journalists were close to the Greens in 2008, and 28% in 2010.

    Being “relatively popular” among Austrians does not translate into being popular in the media.

  291. Mitleser says:
    @Thulean Friend

    The problem? Turns out that this oligarch doesn’t even have siblings! But these minor details doesn’t appear to bother or distract anyone from doing a total purge.

    It was already known that she was a fake.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we ended up with another cozy center-right/center-left coalition like the one we have in Germany right now.

    The problem here ist that Kurz ruined the previous centrist coalition in order to lead the next government.
    My guess is that he would have preferred a coalition government with a weak FPÖ instead of the current uncertainty.

  292. Ray P says:
    @EastKekistani

    European pagans were a rival tradition to Christians. Kuomintang and CCP were both anti-tradition modernizers.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  293. EldnahYm says:
    @EastKekistani

    Were ancient Greece and Rome “pozzed” because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals?

    Instead of using terms like “political correctness,” which are context dependent because different societies have different norms and values, we should just say the Greeks and Romans were degenerate perverts. So are many people in our modern societies.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  294. @Thulean Friend

    I was about to rhetorically ask what kind of White woman would volunteer for this video.

    Porn stars. They earn money from this.

  295. @Ray P

    European pagans were a rival tradition to Christians.

    By the same standards how was Christianity a tradition other than it being very old? When it began it was clearly something radical. Of course right now it IS a tradition. That’s because it managed to change even the most traditional people in Western societies. It takes several hundred years for a new ideology to become a tradition.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  296. @EldnahYm

    we should just say the Greeks and Romans were degenerate perverts.

    By what standards? Like…the standards of Christianity which appeared later than Greco-Roman civilizations?

  297. @EastKekistani

    ‘Muh relativism’

    Even pagans such as Plato realised that homosexuality was wrong.

  298. EldnahYm says:
    @EastKekistani

    I think you can make arguments based on Greek philosophical ideas that homosexuality/bisexuality is against the principles of natural law or similar ideas. Perhaps some Catholic theologian has done so. For me to do so frankly would require much more reading of the material, which I will not do now. Suffice to say, such behavior in the case of male/male is associated with promiscuity, diseases, pedophilia, and both forms are counter to the biological notion of sex as reproduction. I would also suggest most people have an instinctive negative reaction to it. All of these facts suggest to me that the behavior is counter to how people should behave. One should discourage it just as one should discourage playing with feces. There are both practical and philosophical reasons to be opposed to it.

    Of course some people will suggest homosexuals can’t help being the way they are. That is a reasonable response if the argument is that we shouldn’t kill them or something. But if the question is whether we should openly encourage such behavior, or change society to accommodate it, or if bisexuality is normal behavior, there is absolutely nothing to be gained from toleration. Better would be to oppress them.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  299. @LatW

    FP is a relatively popular party with solid roots so it’s a bit surprising that they would look to foreigners for media support.

    They are not supported by the elite, and journalists don’t support them either. This means that local journalists, when left to their own devices, will be anti-FPÖ, and it’s difficult to find local rich people who would buy up local media to force it in a pro-FPÖ direction. This is why it was possible to sting them with this fake Russian oligarch-niece.

  300. AP says:
    @Adam

    Those differences are certainly significant, but probably not enough to call Donbass degenerate and Lviv some conservative paradise.

    In terms of STD’s it’s about 2.5 times higher in Donbas vs. Lviv.

    It’s not nearly as large as the black-white difference in the USA but it’s significantly larger than the White-Hispanic difference in the USA:

    https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats16/minorities.htm

    (Blacks have about 9 times higher rate of gonorrhea as do whites, Hispanics have about 1.6 times higher rate. Compare this to Donbas’ rate of 2.5 times higher than in Lviv)

    Lviv’s divorce rate is about 60% that of Donbas. That’s larger than the difference between the USA and Poland.

    The overall picture is that in terms of moral and social behavior, comparing Galicians to Donbassers is like comparing American whites to American Puerto Ricans.

    Ukrainians didn’t build Lviv, so I’m not sure they have some right to claim its architecture as their achievements. Russians can squat in foriegn cities too.

    Ukrainians/Rusyns were always about 15% – 20% of Lviv’s population, it’s not like Russians in Kaliningrad or Poles in Gdansk or even Lithuanians in Vilnius.

    The Greek Catholic Cathedral dominates a hill near the city center (architect was a Galician German but much of Lviv was built by Germans or Italians rather than Poles or Jews):

    This church in the center of the city two blocks from the old market square was built by the Orthodox Brotherhood (principal financier was a rich Greek merchant but local Rus notables such as Hetman Sahaidachny also contributed):

    One of the two architects who built the massive oblast center in the 19th century was a Ukrainian:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_House,_Lviv

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  301. @EldnahYm

    I posted earlier in the thread quotations showing that Plato thought homosexuality should be suppressed in the ideal state.

    It is exactly the sort of behaviour driven by lust which Plato opposed as indulging the appetites, disturbing the balance between the parts of the soul and so moving one away from Justice and the Form of the Good (i.e. God).

    People do in fact have a distinctive reaction of disgust to it.

    “In comparing the salivary alpha-amylase responses of participants to the various slideshows, we found that participants had higher salivary alpha-amylase responses to the images of two men kissing and the disgusting images. In both cases, these responses were significantly different than the responses they had to the neutral stimuli.”

    https://www.psypost.org/2017/06/straight-mens-physiological-stress-response-seeing-two-men-kissing-seeing-maggots-49217

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Dmitry
  302. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I have not watched the full interview either. I do like him a lot though and some of his books are quite interesting.

  303. @Kent Nationalist

    No problem.

    I’m just not someone interested in intervening in others’ lives. As long as others don’t harm me I don’t care about what they do. Male homosexuality objectively tends to lead to higher STD rates. However since I don’t even have sex at all as an MGTOW this doesn’t affect me. I will never get any STD anyway.

    On the other hand I can’t afford to have the same attitude towards groids. Negroids DO affect everyone no matter whether you want to. If groids make a community unsafe everyone will suffer including me. If groids crash the global economy due to their unwillingness, inability or both to participate in certain forms of wage labor which causes both the global production and the global consumption of many goods to decline, it harms everyone including me. When groids destroy the racial peace all over the world and promote tribal conflicts this harms everyone including me. Hence despite being a Libertarian who really don’t want to mess in others’ lives I have to voice my strong opposition to global Negroidism.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  304. EldnahYm says:
    @EastKekistani

    Things which harm society at large are likely to harm you, or at least your descendants. Although it sounds like you don’t care to have any descendants, which may be part of the problem.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  305. @EldnahYm

    Although it sounds like you don’t care to have any descendants, which may be part of the problem.

    Well, societies are better off if idealistic crusaders like me don’t have descendants. Believe me, my nominal amorality is really a defense mechanism for if I actually crusade for any cause it will be very disruptive.

    I will do whatever I can to improve human tech so that we get AI & transhumanism instead of a Planet of the Negroids. That’s it. I will not allow groids to destroy civilizations.

  306. Ray P says:
    @EastKekistani

    Tradition believes in a higher realm which orders and organizes the lower. Anti-tradition opposes this.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  307. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    IMO, the Rammstein video with a black Germania is worse. Some have called it satire, but I think that is misreading it. This other thing is perfectly good propaganda.

    Of course, I advocate a simple plan for eliminating this sort of thing entirely: complete segregation in entertainment, except for when blacks are fuzzy-wuzzies, like in the 1964 film Zulu. We would cut gibs down to zero and use the savings to finance Wakanda entertainment, which would encourage them to move back to Africa, while giving them other inducements. Eventually, all black entertainment would be banned from white countries, but we would give blacks a free Netflix in Africa to keep them occupied and reduce their TFR.

  308. Dmitry says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Plato is also the most gay writer I have read (whether in Symposium or Phaedrus). It’s interesting if we speculate that his views change – or if this is instead a distinction between his personal views, and those of (pro-gay) Socrates.

    In Timaeus – for example – he adds all the metaphysical speculations (which would not have pleased historical Socrates, but are probably personal to Plato), to Timaeus , who is the main speaker. So there could be something similar in Laws, which condemns homosexuality (as Plato as opposed to Socrates’ view), it is in a view of a new group of characters.

    As for the attitude of tolerance to gays – whether this is a particular or universal topic? It seems like it is a local cultural topic, and therefore not of universal significance or interest.

    Jerusalem and Athens were only 700 kilometers, and a gentle sea, away, and yet the position to gays was completely opposite between them.

    Aside from those kind of geographical examples, there are significant differences of attitude of tolerance to gays when comparing the same countries across different years (for example, 1980s America, to 2010s America).

    We can also see different attitudes across secular countries- for example in the most secular countries like China, Russia or Japan (disapproval of gays), compared to other secular countries – Spain, France, UK or Germany (approval of gays). And here also culturally similar countries (e.g. UK and Russia), grouping differently.

    • Replies: @Logan
  309. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    The historical architecture in Lvov is primarily not built, designed or funded by Ukrainians.

    This is nothing very interesting or relevant to today, though, because nobody of any nationality is building architecture of this quality now. That construction is something existing as part of a very foreign historical (and technological) epoch to the one which we live in, even though our aesthetic tastes have not necessarily changed (nobody has lost the ability to recognize it as beautiful).

  310. Speculation that the BND was behind the entrapment of Strache: https://swprs.org/ibiza-und-der-geheimdienst/

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @songbird
  311. Gerard2 says:
    @Vishnugupta

    BTW on one of the threads you said something about Indian emmigrants via the British Empire to different colonies were predominantly lower caste/IQ Indians –

    But from what I have seen, these Indians in South Africa, Kenya,Trinidad , Fiji etc have not in any way lived consciously under the caste system once they reached Africa or anywhere else- maybe some tensions against any intermarriage ( religious intermarriage) but not anything against inter-caste marriage.

    Dominating in influence from Indian communities have been the Muslim businessman followed by Christian Indian businessmen – not to say there weren’t any successful Hindu or Sikh businessman – but the order went like that
    A large proportion of the Indians in South Africa, Uganda before Amin and Kenya have basically lived at the same standard as the whites – i.e huge size of house , employing labourers, au pairs etc……and in material wealth….only difference being they haven’t had as much land or democrating rights or received same quality of service from national institutions ( like Post Offices and so on) …but still big houses!

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  312. Dmitry says:
    @Adam

    Traditional/conservative views were earlier radical, and vice-versa.

    For Romans, Christianity was a crazy new radical sect, and soon seemed like something exciting and modern. But for 21st century people, a 2000 year tradition which feels old.

    The kind of people attracted to it, will be different today than then. In Roman times, people with conservative personalities, would be most opposed to it, and people with radical personalities most attracted to it. However, in 21st century America – it is now the opposite personalities who are attracted to it (conservatives) and opposed to it (radicals).

    There are also funny reversals in the same time period. To speak a little too much simply – in America, conservatives are supporting more capitalism and the liberals supporting more communism, while in China and Russia conservatives supporting more communism and liberals supporting more capitalism.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  313. Logan says:
    @EastKekistani

    Methinks your definition is kind of biased.

    Trads are defined as people who do whatever their parents do and believe whatever their parents believe (even if what their parents do is suicidal and what their parents believe are objectively false). Modernists are defined as those who challenge trads.

    It all gets back to the ubiquitous bumper sticker, “Challenge Authority!”

    Which I agree we should all do. But sometimes Authority and Tradition are right. Rejecting them simply because they are the past is at least as stupid as accepting them for that reason.

    If something has been part of society for hundreds or thousands of years, it may very well have an important purpose even if it’s not immediately obvious to us.

    Chesterton’s Fence springs to mind.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  314. Logan says:
    @Dmitry

    Traditional Japanese society was not at all anti-gay.

    They apparently picked up this attitude during the Meiji years as part of becoming “modern.”

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @EldnahYm
  315. @Thorfinnsson

    They’re also linking to this article here (criticizing its conclusions):
    https://www.cicero.de/aussenpolitik/heinz-christian-strache-video-johannes-gudenus-ibiza-israel-mossad
    Former BND vicepresident claims the Mossad did it, because “no European agency could or would do such an operation” (really?) and Jews are worried about the rise of nationalism and antisemitism in Europe, therefore want to prevent the success of right-wing parties in the EU elections.
    Seems very unlikely to me though. If FPÖ still did things like during Haider’s time (when they had dubious contacts even with Saddam Hussein’s regime), the Israelis might have some motive…but do something like that merely because of FPÖ’s antisemitic past, when many of the new right-wing parties at least publicly are quite pro-Israel?
    I’d also think BND to be more likely, but so far this is all speculation tbh.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  316. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Wouldn’t this be more significant than any extranational op that the Stasi ran in Europe (perhaps not counting West Germany)? That’s a pretty big deal even if the Anschuss is ignored.

  317. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry

    For Romans, Christianity was a crazy new radical sect, and soon seemed like something exciting and modern. But for 21st century people, a 2000 year tradition which feels old.

    Yes, but the Christianity of today is nothing like that of 2,000 years. Jesus’s message was extremely radical – today’s Christianity isn’t.

    Today’s Christianity would have attracted conservatives 2,000 years ago as well.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  318. Logan says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Fair enough. However, “white” is generally considered a racial/ethnic not religious/cultural category.

    I’ve had some very odd conversations around this issue.

    Some of the groups that have been deleted from “white” by various people over the years: Spanish, Italians, Greeks, Persians, Armenians, Arabs, Romanians, Russians and other Slavs, Irish (!), etc.

    About the only groups I’ve never seen removed from white are British, Germans and Scandinavians.

    If you’re going to run around being the defenders of the white race you need to get straight who is and is not white.

  319. Logan says:
    @EastKekistani

    Greek/Roman and many other societies didn’t really have a concept of homosexuality in the modern sense.

    They were far more focused on status and privilege. Greeks often had a man/boy ideal, with the boy growing up and forming the man in a new similar relationship. Romans didn’t really have that, and were instead obsessed with the active/passive role. Active was fine, no matter who you were doing. Passive was degrading.

    Bisexuality also wasn’t really a thing. It was simply taken for granted. Rape of slaves, male and female, was also accepted as entirely normal and natural. Never crossed anybody’s mind that it might not be the thing to do.

    Which in and of itself is plenty, to my mind, to class them as degenerate perverts.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  320. @Logan

    The Irish thing is a stupid Jewish meme.

    • Agree: songbird
  321. @Logan

    My simple rule is that for America all Christian europids (or caucasoids) should be considered white for social, cultural, legal, and political purposes.

    Immigration, other than things such as diplomatic personnel and intra-company executive transfers, should be restricted to Northwest Europeans.

    So people from West Asia, the Levant, North Africa, etc. would get to be “white” provided their background is Christian. They would not, however, be permitted to further immigrate.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Dmitry
  322. neutral says:
    @Logan

    Start with the absolutely most important one, jews are not white and have never been white and can never become white.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Logan
  323. @German_reader

    At the cheapest, this operation cost a few tens of thousand dollars.

    Now what would have happened, if Strache just left the meeting after ten minutes? (Apparently he wanted to, but Gudenius calmed him down, and then the alcohol did the rest.) Would any “investigative journalist” (or a group of journalists) spent tens of thousands of dollars (euros) on something so inherently risky? They could’ve risked jail terms, at least in Hungary it’s a crime to propose someone acts of corruption even if you have zero power to carry out your promises. So for example I promise The Big Red Scary that in exchange for $2000 I could arrange him winning a scholarship, it would be a crime, even though I had zero influence over any scholarships.

    But most importantly, an investigative journalist would’ve risked losing the money without getting anything in exchange. Frankly it’s a question of luck: Strache might’ve left the meeting for unrelated reasons, or he might’ve discovered the ruse by accident. (If it was amateurs, they couldn’t be sure that they won’t make a stupid mistake.) So essentially their chances of winning would’ve been very low (certainly lower than 50%).

    We also don’t know how many times they tried it, but seems unlikely to have been a one-off thing. I’d certainly try it with several top leaders of the FPÖ, and perhaps they needed to do things like that several times for that one hit. There might’ve been other meetings with other sting operations (perhaps posing as an Israeli or German or Kazakh businessmen or something similar), and probably other targets (other FPÖ leaders, maybe even Salvini etc.), which would add to the costs.

    • Replies: @songbird
  324. @Logan

    Yep. You are neither a trad nor an anti-trad.

    • Replies: @Logan
  325. @Ray P

    Uh..so China has been anti-trad since ay least Confucius if we use this definition since it has always been unusually secular, right?

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  326. @Logan

    Yep. China and Japan were highly anti-adultery but did not give a shit about homosexuality.

  327. EldnahYm says:
    @EastKekistani

    Other religious traditions have always existed alongside Confucianism in China.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  328. EldnahYm says:
    @Logan

    One more item to add to the bucket list of good things Europeans did for the world.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  329. @EldnahYm

    Yes. However they were usually very weak. Moreover Confucianism is a secular ideology, not a religious tradition. Good Confucians worried about what is written on the official Chinese history (yes, that’s a thing) about them, not whether they would go to hell. Even emperors did.

  330. @EldnahYm

    I’m very thankful for what you guys did for the world. You guys essentially broke us out of the long-term stagnancy.

    Now we are also going to have some cool and interesting impact on the world too from CRISPR to machine learning packages such as XGBoost.

  331. https://8ch.net/pol/res/13270190.html

    Awesome. Let’s get the ball rolling! The more people into AI and genetic enhancement, the better. One CRISPR progress per month keeps a groid world away…

  332. Muslim terrorist attacks don’t make people support nationalist parties more.

    Very blackpilling,

    Over recent years, Europe has experienced a series of Islamic terrorist attacks. In this article, conflicting theoretical expectations are derived on whether such attacks increase populist Euroscepticism in the form of anti‐immigration, anti‐refugee and anti‐European Union sentiment. Empirically, plausible exogenous variation in the exposure to the 2016 Berlin attack is exploited in two nationally representative surveys covering multiple European countries. No evidence is found for a populist response to the terrorist attack in any of the surveyed countries. On the contrary, people in Germany became more positive towards the EU in the wake of the Berlin attack. Moreover, little evidence is found that ideology shaped the response to the attack. The findings suggest that terrorist attacks are not met by an immediate public populist response.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1475-6765.12342

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  333. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    White is a simple result of genetics. Trying to define it by culture is bizarre.

    Nationalities originating primarily from above 46 degrees latitude are definitely going to be white (low melanin in skin and hair, and no seasonal change in skin colour from the 46 degrees upwards).

    Nationalities originating from below around 40 degrees latitude are usually not white or boderline mixes in a conventional sense (they start to look browner like Armenians).

  334. songbird says:
    @reiner Tor

    But most importantly, an investigative journalist would’ve risked losing the money without getting anything in exchange.

    Generally, the Press does not like doing investigative journalism because it is expensive and time-consuming. They like stealing from each other and pointless fluff. Sure, they have an agenda, but they also have to pay the bills and are lazy. Doing a setup like this reeks of money and effort. It is not the MO of investigative journalism, which seems to hit them near home, with at most the expense of hiring an actress, or someone to dig up files.

    I feel quite confident that it wasn’t the Press. That leaves state actors, or someone with an independent fortune. It is interesting to play around a bit with the former.

    I would consider Israel to be too busy in the Middle East. Germany is a country with not a lot to do on the international end. I can imagine them attitudinally seeing Austrian politics as their back yard. Who else? I suppose it is in a lot of countries’ interests ideologically. I wonder what Erdogan would favor, and if Turkish intelligence could handle something like this. I wouldn’t leave out France or the UK either, but think Germany is more likely, assuming a state, and not an individual.

  335. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB

    It seems traditional, as a result of having had 2000 years in it.

    In the classical world, even the adapted Christianity of today which is sometimes quite different from the ideas Jesus says in the gospels, would be something very radical and modern.

    For example, “justice” is “helping your friends and hurting your enemies”, according to the convention Athenian view – which is completely the opposite of not only Jesus’ original teaching, but even what we have inherited in modern Europe.

    And for Indo-European peoples who all had some form of variants on this complicated mythology
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_mythology

    Simple mythology and ontology of Abrahamic world is very radical.

    • Agree: AaronB
  336. Dmitry says:
    @neutral

    Modern Jews include some different races, and random mixes of races.

    Original Jews came from below 40 degree latitude, and some kilometers East of Europe.

    But today if you look at a mixed race school in Israel, colours of the kids go from those of 0 degree latitude black people, to those of 55 degree latitude people.

  337. @songbird

    someone with an independent fortune

    I don’t think it’s possible even for a very rich guy. He needs to find lots of experts (the actress, the stylist, the hidden camera expert etc.), and while it’s certainly possible, it’s difficult to ensure secrecy. It’d be pretty embarrassing for a rich guy to be exposed scheming like that.

    And imagine if he’s caught doing that: such a billionaire could even be accused of corruption. I mean, yes, the oligarch-niece was fake, but the billionaire really has the billions, so if he hired an actress to talk to a politician about getting public contracts in exchange for buying up a newspaper, then he could plausibly be accused of proposing it with the intent of really doing it…

    I don’t think it was a wealthy guy.

    It was most likely an intelligence service.

    • Replies: @songbird
  338. Dmitry says:
    @Logan

    Greeks and Romans just had a very alien viewpoint on this topic compared to our one. They didn’t have language emphasis for explaining heterosexual people vs gays.

    Sexuality law is viewed in terms of active and passive, or master and servant, and high status and low status.

    So a male Roman citizen could not be passive homosexual, but they seem to think active is no problem. On the other hand, if the passive gay is low status/non-citizen, it’s not a problem for them, but an expression of natural order. Emphasis on hierarchy in sex, rather than gender, is really weird aspect of Romans/Greeks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Scantinia

    • Replies: @Logan
  339. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird

    In the US there have been multiple cases of independent activist-journalists using hidden cameras to goad members of certain organizations (ACORN, Planned Parenthood) into making damaging statements. But these were usually shabby affairs, a man and a woman with a videocamera in her purse going to some branch office of the organization and speaking to some low-level employee. Fake heiresses and vacation homes filled with hidden cameras sounds less like journalism and more like Operation Epsilon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Epsilon

    Another difference is that activists who pull off these types of stunts are usually quick to claim credit; whoever did this would be a hero of the European left, so why wouldn’t they come forward, if only to help recoup their expenses?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  340. @Anonymous

    Fake heiresses and vacation homes filled with hidden cameras

    Yes, it’s not the low-cost amateur investigative journalist thing, it’s a very high cost operation. A journalist doesn’t have a lot of money, and the chances of the sting operation being successful are normally relatively low (probably they have to try several times to get one catch). Anyone doing this must be find it acceptable to spend the money without any results. I don’t think it’s some amateur.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  341. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    On another topic – I booked a test drive with Tesla for next week. I haven’t drove electric car before so it will be interesting.

    I could only book testdrive for Model X, although they have a Model 3 in the showroom, but configured for the wrong side and won’t have a test drive model until next month.

    My impression just from playing with the cars in the shop.

    Interior of Model X feels slightly luxurious. But it is a bit like a Yamaha electric piano, with some kind of cheap plastic wood. The design is quite clumsy and it feels like a car for fat American families.

    On the other hand, Tesla Model 3 is really without any luxury, and the interior is actually just iPad which is on the dashboard and there is cheap feeling. But the car itself looks a bit better from the outside.

  342. LondonBob says:
    @Gerard2

    Jains are a higher IQ group and a know a few who went and became fabulously wealthy in Africa.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  343. LondonBob says:
    @songbird

    Reminds me of the fake sheikh, similar MO and very common among the British tabloid press. See Sam Allardyce and how he lost his job as the England manager.

  344. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    I don’t think it’s some amateur.

    Definitely not. In America there are plenty of NGOs with billions of dollars in assets thanks to their tax-free status; something like this is certainly within the capabilities of, say, the Anti-Defamation League. But I don’t know if there are equivalently wealthy and powerful “non-profits” in Europe like we have in America.

    Regardless, neither an NGO, political party nor an intelligence agency would want to be publicly associated with this sort of sleazy, partisan entrapment operation. Hopefully the Austrian government launches some kind of formal probe to get to the bottom of this.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  345. Another prediction: I expect Western nationalists, identitarians, and the Alt Right to become Red China's primary agents of influence in the Bioleninist West in the next few decades. This would be admittedly hilarious.— 🐉ak (@akarlin88) May 21, 2019

    Interesting but unfortunately incorrect take. In fact they will become Iran’s primary agents of influence in the West.

  346. @Anonymous

    something like this is certainly within the capabilities of, say, the Anti-Defamation League

    Yes, I didn’t think it through. Some NGOs could have loyal people whose discretion would be a given. At least the ADL could count on the ethnic loyalty of its employees. So not necessarily an intelligence service.

    But I still don’t think it’s the likeliest explanation, though I have to concede it’s a possibility.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @German_reader
  347. @LondonBob

    Anybody becomes an elite in Negroland.

  348. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    There are a lot of valid criticisms of season 8 but Daenerys’ viciousness was not out of character; if anything, it was a bit predictable. By season 2 she’s already overtly threatening to burn whole cities to the ground. Even in season 1 there’s a bit of foreshadowing; she watches emotionless as her brother is scalded to death by molten gold and is madly in love with a crude warlord (Khal Drogo) who is the personification of brutality. Her rhetoric always has a hollow quality to it: the liberator who is entitled to rule over the Seven Kingdoms because it is her birthright. And if you refuse to recognize her sovereignty, you get annihilated…for the sake of a more perfect future, of course.

  349. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    Yeah, on the likelihood scale I would put NGO well below “major political party” and “intelligence service.” When a non-profit organization wants to smear someone they usually just dredge up some supposed past instance of that person saying some politically-incorrect thing. Even in the US doing something like this would be much dicier for a number of reasons: for one, it would involve coordination with members of a political party, which could result in a loss of tax-exempt status. Also misrepresentation, surreptitious recording etc. are questionable from a legal perspective (I imagine this is even moreso the case in the EU, given their stricter privacy and libel laws). From an NGO perspective it seems like quite a lot of risk for relatively minimal gain.

  350. songbird says:
    @reiner Tor

    I agree – most likely a state.

    France might be said to have the Francophone world as a playground England the Anglophone world, but Germany does not have much in its natural sphere.

    Still, it wouldn’t necessarily be any easier to connect to a rich guy. There could potentially be plenty of intermediaries. He could hire professionals even agents or former agents – perhaps already tested. Spy agencies use plenty of contractors themselves. He wouldn’t necessarily even have anything to do with the planning – just throw money at an ideological problem, and leave it up to others. As I am sure that is how a lot of these NGOs work.

    The hubris of state actors is probably nearly matched by billionaires. And many of them seem to be involved in the project of trying to destroy Europe. And what’s more, if you are on the side of the establishment, then there is a certain amount of protection in that, just like Antifa are rarely held accountable.

    BTW, there are a lot of rich Middle Easterners, who seem religiously motivated to facilitate the Muslim invasion of Europe.

  351. @reiner Tor

    Some NGOs could have loyal people whose discretion would be a given.

    There have been suggestions among some German and Austrian right-wingers that the Zentrum für politische Schönheit (centre for political beauty), a Berlin-based “artists’ collective”, could have something to do with it…basically they’re open borders scum, who have pulled off performances like removing memorial crosses for those shot at the Berlin wall and taking them to memorials for drowned “refugees” in the Mediterranean (because “borders kill”, Berlin wall and the alleged “Fortress Europe” today are the same), or building a fake Holocaust memorial next to the house of Björn Höcke, the right-wing AfD politician.
    There’s this strange Twitter account apparently somehow linked to them…and which sounds as if it threatens additional releases of incriminating video:

    I don’t really believe though that those freaks could pull off something of this scale, certainly not on their own.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  352. Apparently Ramin Mirfakhrai, a Viennese lawyer (of Iranian background I’d suppose) initiated the contact between Gudenus and the fake Russian oligarch’s niece:
    https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5632190/Wiener-Anwalt-soll-IbizaFalle-ausgelegt-haben
    https://www.unzensuriert.at/content/0029793-Staatsanwaltschaft-eingeschaltet-Hintergruende-zur-vermeintlichen-russischen

    Mirfakhrai allegedly offered incriminating material about Strache to several Austrian parties already back in 2015.

  353. @German_reader

    I don’t really believe though that those freaks could pull off something of this scale, certainly not on their own.

    No, they may be used for dissemination of the videos.

    The issue is that it’s relatively expensive, and there was zero guarantee that it would be a success. How could these people afford to spend that kind of money without knowing for sure it would work? And then they’d be lucky.

    I’d say most likely it’s something that was tried several times, one of which resulted in a video. We have to remember that if – based on the suggestion of Gudenus’s wife – they left after just ten minutes, the whole operation would cost the exact same money, but there’d be nothing to show for it. How can we know there were no such attempts before? Or with different people?

  354. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    Lance Welton’s article on lesbianism is an interesting one. I think he is on to something and that there are multiple converging factors, including

    -The intrinsic sexual fluidity of women (relative to men)
    -The current lack of any significant social taboos regarding same-sex relationships
    -Women’s newfound economic independence/superiority
    -Partially following from the above, the economic and social decline of men
    -Increased pathologizing of heterosexual relationships (#MeToo etc)

    which may lead to female-female relationships becoming more common. A quick glance at US census data indicates that this may already be happening: in 2017 female-female households outnumbered male-male by ~30k, whereas in 2005 they lagged by ~50k.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Thorfinnsson
  355. @Anonymous

    Yes, that’s a good explanation.

  356. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Slavoj Zizek complains that Game of thrones didn’t end with a Bolshevik victory:

    Haven’t really paid much attention to this guy – I barely even heard of him. Still, I can’t understand his appeal. He does not seem charismatic, but like a blathering slob. Maybe, it is his curious and memorable name? Is this the best communism can do? I thought it had more supporters to draw from.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Epigon
  357. @songbird

    Haven’t really paid much attention to this guy

    I haven’t either, and I don’t think one ought to, pretentious commie windbag imo.
    I found his criticism of GoT, with its emphasis on feminism and racial issues, interesting as a distillation of the current Zeitgeist though. Since this Daenerys was apparently one of the most popular characters on the show, he may have articulated what many of the viewers hoped for.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  358. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    She is definitely the most popular female character: a few hundred female babies in the US are now named Khaleesi each year (this is one of her titles in the show). There are several other “empowered” female characters–a little girl who trains to become an expert assassin to avenge her family, her sister who is for most of the show a hostage but evolves into a shrewd political operator–but they didn’t capture the public imagination the way Daenerys did. Really she is just a typical fairytale female–noble birth, reduced by circumstance to poverty, rises to the apex of society through willpower and magic–with a few modern twists: marrying a king is only a jumping-off point rather than an end goal, she is overtly sexual, and she uses violence extensively. But there is something about her character that speaks to viewers (especially female viewers): I think it may have something to do with the casting of Emilia Clarke, who is very pretty but in a sort of common way that women may find more relatable.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  359. @Anonymous

    I’ve always maintained that lesbianism is 100% fake owing to the fluidity of female sexual orientation. The organized lesbian community is always whinging about “hasbians” and “femmes” abandoning “sushi” in favor of “hot dogs”. Certainly any veteran player can report that lesbians are open to masculine seduction whether or not they admit it.

    It’s yet another reason why Homintern must be opposed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  360. @Anonymous

    I find it funny that apparently nobody seems to celebrate it as a victory for the disabled (or physically challenged or whatever the pc term now is) that this wheelchair-bound Bran character becomes king, with the dwarf as one of his main advisers (doesn’t seem very realistic btw, wouldn’t such a physically incapacitated king, incapable of representative functions or creating an heir, provoke an uprising by powerful nobles? I thought the whole show was about something like that).
    Apparently girl power trumps the claims of the disabled.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Anonymous
  361. @German_reader

    Women are narcissists.

    Disabled people would prefer not to be disabled and struggle with real adversity.

    Anyone who uses the term “ableist” should of course be shot, but the disabled are perhaps the one SJW-favored group that merits real sympathy.

    • Agree: German_reader
  362. The censors are coming for more people than just us: http://foodmed.net/2019/05/facebook-take-down-banting-7-day-meal-plans/

    A large Banting Diet Facebook group was deleted without warning.

  363. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    In the show Bran’s sterility is initially objected to, but actually becomes a selling point: it’s decided that leaders will now be chosen by vote of the nobility, theoretically avoiding all the issues with hereditary rule. One character proposes true democracy but is laughed at by the other nobles, making the point (I suppose) that progress is a gradual thing.

    Your observation about the lack of “empowerment” propaganda regarding disabled people is an interesting one. I’ve felt for awhile now that the disabled command relatively low status–compared to the actual level of adversity and discrimination they face–amongst “victim” groups. One explanation is that there are relatively few disabled people compared to women or the larger ethnic minorities, but imo this doesn’t really explain much (trannies are some tiny percentage of the population but as a victim group they are very powerful). Two explanations I can think of:

    1. Echoing Thorfinnsson, while there are plenty of opportunistic women and minorities who loudly leverage their identities into professional advancement, you don’t see it much with the disabled. I’ve read a few interviews with Peter Dinklage (actor who plays the dwarf on Game of Thrones) and while he’s willing to addresses his size, you can tell it’s not his favorite subject. Although they’re covered under the same anti-discrimination legislation as women and minorities (at least in the US), the disabled have not developed the same mafia-like shakedown rackets as other victim groups: there is no quota for having a certain percentage of your medical school spots or TV writing jobs reserved for disabled people. My sense is that most disabled people feel vaguely unsafe in society, and thus don’t want to call attention to themselves.

    2. Legalization of abortion and advanced prenatal testing have led to widespread elective abortion for many classes of disability (e.g., in industrialized countries the vast majority of fetuses with Down Syndrome are aborted). When people choose not to abort it’s often for religious reasons, so for a lot of leftish people there is an association between being disabled and having parents who are religious fundamentalists, which makes you bad by association. I remember when Sarah Palin was nominated for VP there being a lot of coverage of her Down’s Syndrome child, and that it was not especially sympathetic (certainly not compared to the glowing portraits of this mayor from Indiana and his “husband,” who are now the model for family values).

    In general the moral superiority one gets by being a “victim” has nothing to do with actual adversity but the degree to which one’s identity can be used to antagonize conservatives (so militant trannies and ungrateful asshole immigrants like Ilhan Omar far outrank somebody with cerebral palsy).

    Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  364. @Kent Nationalist

    Also entirely unsurprising. The left are factually correct when they say it is more likely that you’d die in your bathtub than from a terrorist attack. It was always a stupid issue to focus on. Western Europe had far more terrorist attack victims in per capita terms during the 1970s than it did during the 2010s.

    Focusing on terrorism by nationalist groups is easy but also incredibly weak. The strongest arguments for nationalism are related to ethnic cohesion but that requires an explicit rejection of liberalism – and embracing ethno-nationalism – which inevitably invites a massive backlash and thus many “nationalists” in Europe don’t have the balls to do that.

    So they latch onto terrorism precisely because it carries minimal risks and it doesn’t require you to engage in serious ideological warfare, you just have to hammer home about bombs without doing much thinking. But what do you do for the 99.9% of the time when bombs aren’t going off and when trucks aren’t killing people? Then you’re stuck with a weak-sauce “muslims are threatning liberal values” critique which is a dogshit tactic and does nothing but expose them for how little ideological conviction so many of these groups actually have.

  365. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    In the article Welton makes a distinction between “butch” (masculine) lesbians and feminine lesbians. The former’s identity he attributes to some biological quirk (e.g., hyper-androgenic conditions in the womb) while the latter is more socially constructed. It seems like it’s that second, feminine group where most of the growth is occurring. For example, there was a profile of the nauseous Bari Weiss in Vanity Fair a few weeks ago: one of the big insights was that she is currently in a relationship with a woman (despite having previously been married to a man). Weiss never struck me as obviously gay and doesn’t even identify as such; for her it’s clearly more of a circumstantial thing.

    Reading stuff like this makes me depressed. A society where men are so neutered and pathetic that women end up pairing off with each other–can it possibly be salvaged? Worrying about birth rates seems pointless when the act of intercourse has itself become passe.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @Thorfinnsson
  366. Turkey has two weeks to comply with the US demand to cancel the S-400 deal.

    Turkey might fold yet, but it appears to me that by pushing them that hard, the Americans are risking pushing Turkey over to the Axis of Resistance. (Which doesn’t really exist, but you get the point.)

    It’d be supreme irony if it turned out that the moves intended to strangle Russian defense exports ended up creating a huge and lucrative new market for them.

    Yes, there’s still a chance that Turkey will fold, but I wouldn’t bet my house on it.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/21/turkey-has-2-weeks-to-cancel-russian-arms-deal-and-avoid-us-penalties.html

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  367. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of Game of Thrones, here are some spicy-hot, galaxy-brain takes from Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren:

  368. Epigon says:
    @Anonymous

    A society where men are so neutered and pathetic that women end up pairing off with each other

    Or sensible enough to avoid “women” that are trainwrecks, biomass waste and genetic dumpsters?

    You are free to date such specimens, don’t blame those who won’t.

  369. @Thulean Friend

    “Muslims are threatening liberal values.”

    Ironically the racial and non-racial aspects of social liberalism (not the “liberalism” in your dictionary for it is essentially used literally, that is, in the sense of “individuals should be allowed to be independent and free from coercion”) are inherently contradictory to each other. That is, from a Libertarian point of view the world is a stinking pit filled with illiberalism (in your sense). The West is currently a rare exception. Protecting individuals all over the world in general and in the West in particular essentially requires WN because illiberalism (in your sense) inherently threatens to extinguish liberty all over the world and that migration of people with collectivist values inherently threatens to globally extinguish individualism. Liberty needs to first have a safe homeland before it can go on an offensive and remove the threat of collectivism.

    I actually believe this.

  370. Epigon says:
    @songbird

    The guy is an obnoxious Slovenian “philosopher” – coming from a country which rejected socialism by 90+% once they no longer got the favoured treatment, could profit from their schemes (import Western components, put them together, sell them as domestic at exorbitant prices – mandated by “protectionism”) and West/USA bucks to Yugoslavia dried up because Warsaw Pact was no more.

    He is a blathering slob, and that is the precise reason he gets publicity. There is nothing meaningful or insightful in his ramblings – I tried watching his “debate” with Peterson, and simply couldn’t endure it.
    I have encountered several of his “fans” in real life, and when confronted with explicit questions on his ideas, merits and “philosophy” – they drew a blank.

    This is the case with all normies and normie content – the NPC is not a meme.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    , @neutral
  371. @Thulean Friend

    Wait. There is also another issue.

    Native collectivist groups with either ethnonat or religious conservative ideologies are often a lot more dangerous to native anti-trads compared to a small amount of foreign collectivists or exotic religious groups. However there is a matter of degree here. Anti-trads are inherently in a perpetual war against trads who seek to impose their traditionalism on them which is basically norm-enforcement. Here when dealing with universalist foreign traditionalism such as Islam there is a matter of degree. Having too much of that and anti-trads are in danger of norm enforcement by these foreign trads. With non-universalist foreign trad groups there is less danger of norm enforcement but there is still a danger that they can use high social unity to destroy livelihoods of anti-trads.

    For anti-trads the best ways to avoid norm enforcement are emigration into another culture and deliberately diversifying a country where one belongs to a majority tribe to some extant (but not displacement).

  372. @Epigon

    He is very similar to Jordan Peterson in his appeal (in one sense); both are purposefully obscure in a way that makes them seem authoritative and tricks their fans into paying attention on the assumption that there is something interesting waiting to be deciphered.

    This trick is basically 90% of post-war continental philosophy, so Zizek is nothing new (there’s a famous story that Searle asked Foucault why he made so much sense in person even though his books were incomprehensible and Foucault told him that no-one would take him seriously in France if he wasn’t ten percent incomprehensible).

    All ‘self-help’ material also depends upon a sense of authority from the person dispensing it; the only difference with Peterson is that his sense of authority comes from pseudo-intellectualism rather than ‘look at my big house, lambourghini and hot wife’ or ‘listen to my story about how I became a multi-millionaire despite having been raised in a council estate by a single-mother’.

    • Agree: Epigon
    • Replies: @Epigon
  373. For example I’m an anti-Confucian anti-commie Libertarian ethnic Chinese person. Which place on this planet is the safest for me? China? Commies are in charge. Taiwan? Good but there is still too much norm enforcement. Singapore? Awesome. Why? Precisely because the whites, Malays, Indians and Christian Chinese have made the society sufficiently diverse that norm enforcement on me is almost impossible. In fact if Hawaii were as developed as Singapore I would have loved it even more because it has even less norm enforcement. But..what about places with almost no or few NE Asians? Now I’m worried about chimpouts by blacks, SEAs or norm enforcement by Islam or Hinduism.

    I won’t be surprised if white anti-trads especially feminists and homosexuals are making the same choice. Low social unity people who don’t join collectivist communities need a community-free space to survive. How to achieve that? By importing foreign communities and playing them against native ones. Just don’t do it too much..and of course don’t live near the foreign communities to avoid getting norm enforced or harmed by them.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @Thorfinnsson
  374. Epigon says:
    @EastKekistani

    How many layers of autism are you on?

    • LOL: AP
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  375. Epigon says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Yes, couldn’t have said it better myself.

    From “philosophers” like BHL, Peterson and Zizek, to “political experts” and “analysts” that are proven wrong time and again on every single issue they predict and comment, to “Russia” or “Balkan experts” who don’t even speak Russian or South Slavic, to think tank fellows and university professors at John Hopkins and similar institutions who spout and write utter nonsense….

    It is all so tiresome.

  376. @Epigon

    I don’t know. However it is likely that I have explained the motives of at least some people.

    There are certain ideologies and lifestyles that are inherently anti-community such as feminism, modern Western homosexuality and Objectivism. If you are in one of them it will be within your interests to prevent communities from forming or strengthening near you. However since anti-community people are extremely poor at coercion they can only combat communities by playing other communities against them while avoiding all communities including “allied” ones like a plague.

    I think this does explain soc lib behavior.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  377. Epigon says:
    @EastKekistani

    It is all very simple.

    You focus on the degenerates, anti-social tiny minority and fringe elements in a society. But they are a historical constant.

    The problem with modern times is that “normal” people don’t have enough children while at the same time they don’t raise those that they do have in a quality way.
    Third wave feminists, homos, fluids, vegans, libertarians were born to heterosexual parents who failed their duty.

    Instead of focusing on freaks and dead ends, the focus should be on presenting the traditional/reactonary/constructive worldview of our ancestors and the advantages of married, heterosexual lifestyles in a rational, appealing way.

  378. There is also a tribal version of this strategy which is historically used by diaspora Jews.

    Since diaspora Jews were a fairly unarmed and small group they could be killed by almost everyone else. In the cruel universe being in this situation is almost always fatal. How did Jews survive then? Partly through deliberate lowering of social unity among goys and playing factions of goys against other goys. All goyim were inherently dangerous to Jews because Jews could not really kill even one group of goyim while any group of goyim could kill a lot of Jews. However their safety depended on perpetually playing one group of dangerous goyim against another.

    That’s also how the late Byzantine Empire dealt with barbarians..and how every single successful unusually non-violent group (maybe including most women) worked. I’m in one of them so I know. This is how Mandarins and Chinese merchants dealt with barbarians who invaded China, commies and violent Sun People.

  379. LondonBob says:
    @reiner Tor

    Pretty hard for Turkey to back down now.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  380. @LondonBob

    If their goal was to get Turkey cancel the deal, they should have provided Erdogan a way out without losing face. I’m not sure what that would have been, but certainly they didn’t even try. By issuing ultimatums, the Americans basically ensured that Turkey would double down.

  381. Mitleser says:
    @Thulean Friend

    But what do you do for the 99.9% of the time when bombs aren’t going off and when trucks aren’t killing people?

    Focus on crime which happens all the time.

  382. @Anonymous

    Masculine butch lesbians are definitely a thing, but there is even hope for them. A good nutrition, exercise, hair, and beauty routine followed for six months can turn a butch into at least something of a lady.

    I can’t take Bari Weiss seriously because she reminds me of Leinenkugel’s Berry Weiss:

    The pride of Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin! The same city is also the home of Cray Supercomputer. Seymour Cray based his company in Chippewa Falls because it was close enough to the Twin Cities for flights, meetings, etc. to be convenient but in a different area code. This meant telephone calls were long distance and thus expensive, which kept people from wasting his time on the phone.

    It’s depressing that our society has degenerated into this androgynous LGBTQI$☭ soup, but the upside is there is very little competition. If you can break your own chains then with just a small amount of discipline you can easily be a top tier man or woman.

    It also means that most women have substantial potential for improvement in a relationship. Kind of like turning around a mediocre business you bought at a steep discount.

    • Replies: @songbird
  383. @Thulean Friend

    Maybe there’s another reason for that

    The British government has prepared for terrorist incidents by pre-planning social media campaigns that are designed to appear to be a spontaneous public response to attacks, Middle East Eye has learned.

    Hashtags are carefully tested before attacks happen, Instagram images selected, and “impromptu” street posters are printed.

    In operations that contingency planners term “controlled spontaneity”, politicians’ statements, vigils and inter-faith events are also negotiated and planned in readiness for any terrorist attack.

    The campaigns have been deployed during every terrorist incident in recent years including the 2017 London Bridge attack and the Finsbury Park mosque attack.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/mind-control-secret-british-government-blueprints-shaping-post-terror-planning

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  384. @EastKekistani

    “white anti-trads especially feminists and homosexuals” are all pro norm enforcement. Just their own norms.

    I was all about simply being left alone until I realized that under no circumstances will they leave me alone.

    Now my politics are centered upon crushing them–permanently.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  385. @Thorfinnsson

    SJ norms are definitely norms. They are just weaker than almost all trad norms for now since for now they mostly do not enforce their norms through violence while almost all trad norms historically have disproportionate enforcement from a utilitarian point of view.

    Sadly it is impossible to do away with coercion which is a key reason why real Libertarians are very rare. “I leave everyone else alone” is generally almost the same as “I’m currently weak. Hence I need to ally with nasty bystanders against you for now..However when I’m strong I will crush the bystanders who don’t abide by my norms in addition to you..”

  386. neutral says:
    @Epigon

    The guy is an obnoxious Slovenian “philosopher”

    Begs the question, is he Slovenian or (((Slovenian))) ?

  387. neutral says:
    @reiner Tor

    Their sanction diplomacy is really increasing at a furious pace, in a year or two I fully expect them to sanction any country that does not pass anti BDS laws.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  388. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    A good nutrition, exercise, hair, and beauty routine followed for six months can turn a butch into at least something of a lady.

    You haven’t seen some of the same butches that I have seen. Some of them look downright haggard.

    I like your optimism though – I think it applies to at least a subset of women Say, young women who cut their hair too short, and maybe wouldn’t win the beauty contest, but aren’t ugly – and have good personalities. I have even seen some pretty attractive women with too short hair. I am not sure if any were lesbians though.

  389. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    A large Banting Diet Facebook group was deleted without warning.

    In the end, they will only allow you to eat soy.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  390. @Thorfinnsson

    An interest in such diets is unironically probably a gateway to anti-semitism

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  391. @Anonymous

    In the show Bran’s sterility is initially objected to, but actually becomes a selling point: it’s decided that leaders will now be chosen by vote of the nobility, theoretically avoiding all the issues with hereditary rule.

    Well that won’t work. Electoral monarchies tend to fail by becoming hereditary monarchies because no one has an incentive to keep them electoral while the allies of any would-be dynasty have all the incentive to establish hereditary rule. We’ve established that noble houses in Westeros are long lasting (thousands of years!) so they are very unlikely to support someone who is going to be an ally for the single generation when they can support someone who could start a dynasty and secure centuries of alliance with the throne.

    The whole point of the show has been that the realms have been in chaos because there are too many claims to the throne after a usurper King died and left behind children with questionable paternity. We end up with no solution to this fundamental problem besides the surviving claimants being war weary enough to elect a neutral enough King to end it all. There’s no guarantee that the next generation will continue the agreement.

    Gendry is going to find a bride from some noble house and he will have an heir to make a Baratheon claim with the support of whatever house he married. Tyrion might have children and even if he doesn’t there are more relatives to continue the Lannister claim. Jon Snow already failed to uphold his vow of celibacy once so in a couple of decades some half-wildling half-Targaryens might show up from north of the wall.

    When Bran dies it’s just all going to start all over again. Me, I would have had the new Stark kingdom conquer the southern parts. If the old union of kingdoms is gone, claims to its throne become irrelevant and Starks have the only claim to the new order. With the undead gone the lands beyond the wall can be claimed so a shift in power to the north makes sense. Though Sansa as a conqueror would be more girl power BS.

  392. @songbird

    The future is a £5 milkshake being thrown into your face by an obese, bearded, balding man with a videogame shirt and a Rick and Morty avatar …forever

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  393. @Kent Nationalist

    Yes, it absolutely is. There is a lot of overlap between the dissident right and LCHF dietary dissidents running in both directions. A lot of the LCHF people have now noticed that the “plant-based” diet push is heavily backed by large corporations.

    PD Mangan of Rogue Health and Fitness was originally an alt-right blogger (if an old man can be alt-right).

    I’m not a crypto-loon, but it’s interesting that a lot of HODLers have gotten into carnivory.

  394. Huawei is now getting ARM access cut off. ARM is a Japanese-owned company primarily located in the UK but with significant R&D centers in the US. ARM is supposed to be open-licence for anyone to use. It’s the blueprint that you can design your own chips on. It’s what Apple uses. It’s what Huawei uses.

    If this ban holds then it might be curtains down for Huawei. More importantly, it might even be seen as an act of war given that severe economic sanctions on basic capabilities should be treated as such. After all, who is to say that Huawei will be the only Chinese company to be faced with this onslaught?

    The world needs to diversify away from the US, ASAP.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  395. Steve Bannon thinks destroying Huawei is more important than winning the trade war. This guy is delusional, because he lacks HBD awareness. You cannot destroy the Chinese smartphone etc. industry, because there’s the enormous and growing internal market, and they have the pool of talent to design and produce them at the same or higher quality than the US. (Here the supposed lack of Chinese innovation, whether true or not, is irrelevant, it’s good enough to just perfect pre-existing ideas, and they seem to be good enough at that.)

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-22/bannon-says-destroying-huawei-more-important-striking-trade-deal

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @AaronB
  396. @reiner Tor

    If the USA had taken actions like this 30 or even 20 years ago, perhaps we could’ve strangled China in the cradle. Or at least made its rise very glacial indeed. Now the train has left the station.

    At least this will lead to us getting back to our own techno-industrial nationalism.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  397. @Thulean Friend

    How does this technology work?

    I thought you design the chip, and then give it to a fab. The fab has suppliers, too, like ASML supplying the photolithograhy (I’m not really aware of other suppliers, but probably there’s more to it), and fabs in general have enormous economies of scale (photolithography apparently even more, since there ASML is almost a monopoly), so there are fewer and fewer of them. Now I know that China was quickly catching up in both design and fabrication, but their fabs were generally still several years behind, while their chip design has basically reached the cutting edge.

    Now it turns out that design has this blueprint or whatever shit ARM is providing, without which they cannot even design. How difficult would it be to develop their own thing? Could they simply keep using ARM’s things by simply disregarding intellectual property? (This seems to be some design element.) It would obviously be a nuclear option resulting in a CoCom and Cold War style restrictions on trade. (Actually, much worse.)

    Then there’s obviously software (also with many layers). I don’t know how independent the Chinese are there.

    I guess Russia could also be cut off from these. They can now design lots of chips (several years behind the West or China, obviously, I think maybe 28nm), but their fabs are nowhere (maybe 70nm), though they could catch up in a few years if forced to. (Catch up to the already obsolete 28nm, that is.)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  398. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    Steve Bannon thinks destroying Huawei is more important than winning the trade war. This guy is delusional, because he lacks HBD awareness

    A good example of how HBD leads to defeatist thinking.

  399. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    It strikes me that these Asian nations always challenge America too soon.

    Japan also thought America had grown too decadent to fight.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @songbird
  400. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    ARM is supposed to be open-licence for anyone to use.

    Probably makes corporate espionage easier, but haven’t phone CPUs pretty much hit a brick wall in term of advancements? If so, I assume it is not a big deal. Unless, the legal pressure on IPs actually works.

    the world needs to diversify away from the US, ASAP.

    Seems to be a case of choosing which government can spy on you. Not necessarily saying I would choose the US, but the CCP doesn’t exactly inspire me with confidence. Also, if it is in the architecture, what’s to prevent someone else from going in?

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  401. @AaronB

    HBD = having an accurate conception of reality and using it to make correct predictions

    • Agree: reiner Tor, AaronB
  402. @AaronB

    Not pursuing unattainable goals is called wisdom, but you almost got it right.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  403. Poland, Kantar poll:European Election18-25 years old voters onlyKON-EFDD/NI: 35%KE-EPP/ALDE/S&D/G/EFA: 24%PiS-ECR: 17%Wiosna-S&D: 7%LRAZ-S&D: 6%K'15-EFDD: 3%Field work: 16-19 May 2019Sample size: 1,006➤ https://t.co/WMMN58m6v6https://t.co/2pNcZRjh3U#EP2019 pic.twitter.com/TmirNpRV9z— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) May 22, 2019

    Korwin-Mikke on 35% among 18-25 Poles.

  404. @AaronB

    Neither Japan in 1941, nor China in 2019 wanted to fight America. America forced them to fight both times.

    The issue is, as it did lead to war in 1941, started with a surprise (and what a surprise!), and it could lead to a world war again in 2019.

    Since I hate both (but especially the Globohomo US Empire), I’m not very impressed with this American ability to take on their rivals before they get strong enough.

    The US cannot really strangle China in an economic war (maybe delay their inevitable rise a few years, perhaps even a decade), but they could destroy them in a nuclear war. (Militarily, the US is probably still stronger than China and Russia combined. Though maybe not.)

    • Replies: @AaronB
  405. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    No one should pursue unattainable goals. That would be stupid.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  406. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    If the Japanese had sat on Korea and Manchuria, while rolling on their backs to the US, and winning the hearts and minds of the locals, they might have been much more formidable today. But they did not, so this made the idea that Japan was going to exceed America in the ’80s or early ’90s kind of crazy.

    China doesn’t really have a size limit, except for its falling TFR. Naturally, this seems to make it much more formidable. Are the Han the equal of the Japanese? I don’t know (there are some confounding factors like the CCP) but I think they are close enough, for it not to matter.

    Seems evident that the US will be exceeded militarily. How will the adjustment come about? Well, I hope peacefully. If so, it might be healthy for the US.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  407. @AaronB

    Maybe the Americans know (and knew in 1941) that economic strangulation doesn’t work. They knew then and know now on some level that it could easily lead to a world war. And that’s what they want, because they know that that’s what they could win.

    I don’t want war, because I don’t care about Globohomo’s global supremacy, but there’s a certain logic to it. HBD would help people understand where are leaders are leading us: either nowhere (if they stupidly hope the trade war will destroy China), or to a nuclear world war (if a war results in the escalation).

    • Replies: @songbird
  408. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    Japan did not specifically want war with America, but it wanted to be stronger than America was prepared to let it be. So it chose war, but was not forced into it.

    The US does not wish to strangle China’s economic rise, only reduce it to manageable dimensions within an American led system – which is the most likely long term outcome.

    This will be an unattainable goal that, sadly, will be achieved, and thus stupid and not in line with HBD.

    It is regrettable when the real world does not act the way it is supposed to according to our elegant models.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @reiner Tor
  409. @AaronB

    The US does not wish to strangle China’s economic rise, only reduce it to manageable dimensions within an American led system

    China’s population is five times that of the US. What you are writing makes no sense.

    which is the most likely long term outcome

    Which? The not strangling economic rise part (so Chinese economy three or more times larger than the US economy), or the manageable dimensions part (so a strangulated China)?

    This will be an unattainable goal that, sadly, will be achieved

    Self-contradictory things cannot be achieved. However, cutting China down to size can still easily work – through a nuclear war. China is militarily still weaker.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  410. songbird says:
    @reiner Tor

    The negotiations were handled poorly. But the Japanese attitude was unrealistic – who in their right mind would supply a country as it infinitely expands its territory? They could have easily set some hard limit on their ambitions – Korea or else Korea and Manchuria. That they didn’t was mostly a failure on their part.

    That they attacked the US was no more excusable than Hitler or Mussolini declaring war on it – but nobody makes excuses for them. The idea was batshit insane and full of delusions, including the idea that the US would sue for peace. But I blame the Czar for putting on a bad show, and giving them too much confidence.

    Thankfully, though, we live in the age of Atomic peace, and both the US and Russia are well-armed.

  411. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    China’s population is five times that of the US. What you are writing makes no sense

    .

    Not only that, but with a higher IQ. The only logical thing is to capitulate now and become vassals of the Chinese. Anything else is an unattainable goal, and stupid.

    Nevertheless, the US will end up cutting China down to size. It will be unattainable, stupid, and not in line with HBD.

    It will be one of the most shameful chapters in U.S. history, going against HBD like that.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  412. @AaronB

    You write nonsense and straw men instead of answering my point, which is that

    EITHER

    – China’s economic rise is strangled,

    OR

    – China will have an economy three times that of the US (or more)

    • Replies: @AaronB
  413. AaronB says:
    @songbird

    We love to predict the future, but we’re all pretty bad at it (including me). There was a study done that shows that experts are terrible at predicting the future.

    The problem is that the real world acts in an unexpected and non-linear fashion.

    It was pretty unbelievable that a small peninsula jutting out of Asia would rule the world. The moment Europeans encountered China in the 16th century the logical thing to do was to submit to it. Larger population, more efficient merit based system, etc.

    But the world does not work in that linear fashion.

    The most intelligent thing to do is just try your best to achieve your hearts desire, and let the world surprise you.

    Reiner Tor’s attitude is appropriate to a late civilization decadent from a marginal country, so I am not blaming me. He would be an exceptional and gifted person if he thought differently, but it’s unfair to expect that from people.

    But naturally, the Americans can’t be expected to adopt such a defeatist attitude.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  414. @AaronB

    The moment Europeans encountered China in the 16th century the logical thing to do was to submit to it.

    Why? It was far away. It’s still far away. Look how much effort the US must expand to try to force Iran into submission.

    The smart and logical thing to do was to keep doing your things far away from them. Later, when Europeans met them in the 19th century, and realized it was weak, they acted accordingly.

    You seem to think in a false dichotomy – either force them into submission, or submit to them.

    Unless you’re willing to risk war with them (I don’t, but that’s me), you cannot force them into submission. (Yes, there’s a chance they’ll submit, but I wouldn’t bet my house on it.) But there’s no need to submit to them, especially not for an all-powerful superpower like the US.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  415. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    Like I said, it will not be strangled, just cut down to size. I don’t see why this is difficult to understand.

    No one wants to kill China, just end the unfair system that now favor a it, and end its manipulations. And then, to aggressively compete against it.

    What does population size have to do with it? I believe Africa has more people than Europe also.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  416. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    The logical thing for Europeans just emerging out if the Middle Ages to do once they encountered the wealth and splendor, the size and sophistication, of Asia, was to retreat back to Europe and leave it alone. But instead, they immediately made aggressive moves against it, from Thailand to Japan, from India to China.

    It also made zero sense for Cortez and his little band if starving adventurers to try and conquer the night my Aztec empire, whose cities were more impressive than anything seen in Europe at the time.

    The difference is that Europeans those says did not think like you. They did not believe in HBD either.

  417. @AaronB

    not be strangled, just cut down to size

    Maybe we are debating over terminology, which is dumb. So China will be capped at its current economic development level relative to the US.

    That cannot be achieved by a trade war. At best a delay can be achieved. However, it’s possible that China could be goaded into an escalation which ends in a war.

    What does population size have to do with it? I believe Africa has more people than Europe also.

    “More” v “five times more.” Also “Africans” v “Chinese.”

    • Replies: @AaronB
  418. @AaronB

    The logical thing for Europeans just emerging out if the Middle Ages to do once they encountered the wealth and splendor, the size and sophistication, of Asia, was to retreat back to Europe and leave it alone.

    I don’t think that would have been “logical” at all, but it’s pretty retarded to talk about this. This is not at all the topic.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  419. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    I think history shows that size of population is almost inconsequential, starting with the tiny Greeks against mighty and populous Persia and Alexander the Great.

    Brute size is an HBD type consideration – regularly discounted by the men who make history.

    And I think history shows China regularly and dramatically underperforms expectations based on its size, so size here is particularly uninformative.

    As for precisely what level of economy America will be comfortable with, partly this will be a result of China ceasing to manipulate the system unfairly to its own advantage, as it is doing now, and settling more at its natural level – I think America would be more comfortable with a stronger China if it was the result if fair competition, and not the current system.

    But since that cannot happen – no one competes fair, that’s just a decadent idea of modern times – ultimately China will end up more reduced than it needs be in an ideal world.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @reiner Tor
  420. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    Correct, I do not see at all how history is relevant to the current day. HBD has replaced history. It escapes me why I tried to bring up historical parallels.

  421. Mitleser says:
    @neutral

    They won’t stop until there are widespread effective counter-measures against sanctions.

  422. This is the reason why AaronB has been expelled from 109 comment sections throughout history

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
  423. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    I know so many people who work at ARM.

    Of course, ARM not just CPU engineering, but a large amount software for everything – it’s an ecosystem. Their open source projects are to make it easier for all different users to co-ordinate their products together, and ultimately increase their sales of their own products.

    keep using ARM’s things by simply disregarding intellectual property

    Of course cannot, for products which they have not paid for. This is how you would be sued. They can continue to use products they already bought so it shouldn’t be a problem until they can buy from a different place – but they might lose a lot of work in the transition.

    Topic of how Chinese try to steal everything is something else. Stealing has to be a little secretive or subtle – you cannot just not pay for something, and then use it openly, and not be sued, or receive any support.

    I know one current trend of Chinese “stealing”, happens a lot with startups. Chinese investors pretend they are interested in investing in you, and ask for presentations. Then they mysteriously don’t invest in you at the final minute. (Whether they have the ability to do anything with this vague “knowledge”, is another question).

    Chinese stealing is probably mainly, just typical behaviour of third-world people. When they have more money in the future, they won’t need these people trying to steal, instead of just investing in you more along standard ways.

    Here the supposed lack of Chinese innovation, whether true or not, is irrelevant, it’s good enough to just perfect pre-existing ideas, and they seem to be good enough at that

    There is obviously a general lack of human capital in their companies, which might reflect lack of native human capital in China that they can hire. As China becomes more developed, they will be able to afford to solve the issue by paying higher salaries to hire better workers from abroad, or buying foreign companies and technology, and retaining the workers in those companies they obtain. So human capital might be limiting, but I don’t see how can be a “ceiling”.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  424. AaronB says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Its exasperating 🙂 I just won’t get with the defeatist program.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  425. @AaronB

    I think America would be more comfortable with a stronger China if it was the result if fair competition, and not the current system.

    Nonsense and fiddlesticks. “Fairness” is in the mind of the beholder, and the very same thing you keep arguing for about motivated reasoning has a spectacular tendency to perceive whatever it wants to. As for the size argument, it is fairly irrelevant given that historically China has never much of a nationalistic conscience(or even a will to power). For a variety of reasons, at least some technological, this isn’t the case anymore.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @reiner Tor
  426. @AaronB

    China regularly and dramatically underperforms expectations based on its size

    In terms of size of economy? Nope.

    tiny Greeks against mighty and populous Persia

    Yes, two million Persians against just 300 Greeks.

  427. Mitleser says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Another measure against their people.

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  428. Mitleser says:
    @Thulean Friend

    After all, who is to say that Huawei will be the only Chinese company to be faced with this onslaught?

    Already forgotten what happened to ZTE?

  429. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I mostly agree. Fairness is only for decadents anyways.

  430. @AaronB

    It’s pretty defeatist of me not to believe that my enemies (the Globohomo Empire) can easily and peacefully defeat China. I should optimistically believe in the invincible might of my enemy.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  431. @Daniel Chieh

    You must not be so weak and defeatist! Instead you should trust the invincible power of the Globohomo Empire, because AaronB already had a couple joints this afternoon.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
  432. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    No, I actually think you are using motivated reasoning, against America.

    I detected a tremendous amount of passion, even anger, in your defense of HBD. You were not lukewarm at all. You fought hard.

    Which is as I thought. Disinterested science is a rhetorical pose, for everyone.

    But I think your favoring of China over America is just more decadence, which I notice throughout the alt right. China will be a much harsher mistress, and is racially alien to you. You are just cucking for an alien race, no different than any leftist.

    The correct attitude towards America, that every non cuck Westerner should have, is to hope that it recovers from its current pathology – not hope that it loses to an alien civilization.

    You are allying with the Turk against a fellow Western country, like perfidious Albion – this is a long-standing weakness in Western politics.

    But genuine non cuck attitudes come hard today. Its all a flavor of cuck.

  433. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    I thought joints were supposed to make you chilled out. I’m being pretty hard headed here.

    But I wouldn’t know. I don’t use drugs. That would be decadent.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  434. I’m surprised nobody here has yet posted this gem:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-documents-reveal-desire-sow-racial-discord-violence-u-s-n1008051

    Russians who were linked to interference in the 2016 U.S. election discussed ambitious plans to stoke unrest and even violence inside the U.S. as recently as 2018, according to documents reviewed by NBC News.

    The documents contained proposals for several ways to further exacerbate racial discord in the future, including a suggestion to recruit African Americans and transport them to camps in Africa “for combat prep and training in sabotage.” Those recruits would then be sent back to America to foment violence and work to establish a pan-African state in the South, particularly in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mikhail
    , @songbird
  435. @AaronB

    But I think your favoring of China over America is just more decadence, which I notice throughout the alt right. China will be a much harsher mistress, and is racially alien to you. You are just cucking for an alien race, no different than any leftist.

    America is an Empire of Evil. China hasn’t done anything particularly evil outside its borders and hypotethicals about how it will be a “harsher mistress” is empty fearmongering.

    China’s future is bright, whoever doubts this just needs to buy a Chinese smartphone for example. I was shocked not only by the multitude of useful features it comes with, and how despite that it’s also really well optimized and runs smoothly without bloat, and how powerful and well built and designed it is while being ridiculously cheap, but it even gives you more freedom – no login required to access the Meizu app store and no corporate entities with device administrator access (though google play can be easily installed with a single tap for those who want it, it’s not shipped by default, which is wonderful).

    Also, the anglo-jewish-nigger mix of american elites is plenty racially alien to most Europeans.
    America is not only not a White power, it’s an actively anti-White power while China isn’t.

    The Chinese ambassador has never lectured my people how we should do even more for the parasitic gypsies or how to further accommodate the disgusting faggots, China has never requested extradition of my countrymen for violation of some ridiculous law that it thinks it can apply worldwide, it has never tried to tell us that we should forbid our own patriotic marches commemorating historic figures that were simply suspected of anti-semitism, and so on.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @AaronB
  436. AaronB says:
    @Spisarevski

    These are good points overall, but I think the correct attitude to take us to lament the wrong turn of America and seek to help it recover.

    I think the alt right is too willing to turn on errant in-group members – they are similarly harsh towards women, rather than paternalistic.

    I think this is evidence of low social cohesion.

    Also, anyone who has spent time in Asia knows they very much want racial supremacy – it is an ugly fact, but true. They truly are not “benign” – its natural to hope they are, but it is seriously dangerous.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @anonymous
  437. Another example of sublime British humo(u)r:

  438. Preaching loyalty to America is like preaching loyalty to the Ottoman Empire based on our shared Christian and Greco-Roman roots.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AaronB
  439. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Rep. Val Demings, D-Fla., who was briefed on the documents, said they highlight how ongoing racial issues in the U.S. can be used in misinformation efforts.

    “Russia understands how critical the African American vote is to determining the outcome of elections,” said Demings, who sits on the House Intelligence Committee. “And because we have not effectively dealt with racism as a country ourselves, I believe we’ve made ourselves vulnerable to foreign powers like Russia to continue to try to undermine.”

    WTF I love reparations now

  440. @Hyperborean

    Also ignores the strong anti-European currents in American culture, but then those rarely are discussed anyway (whereas anti-Americanism is of course the ultimate sin and endlessly dissected, another sign how asymmetrical the European-American relationship is).

    • Replies: @AaronB
  441. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t ignore it. I am very much against the anti-European currents in American culture, and have always been.

    I am happy to say that in a cultural sense, America is much more European these days. It’s a good development.

  442. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    The Ottomans are racially different than you, and follow a different religion.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  443. @AaronB

    The Ottomans are racially different than you, and follow a different religion.

    So is the American elite.

    But appealing to shared racial origins ignores that, outside of racialised and deracinated new world societies, Europeans (and Asians and Africans) also have ethnic ties which carry equal or greater importance.

  444. Mikhail says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Some “evidence”. Rehashed bullshit, which Engel/NBC had already peddled a month or so ago. Nothing new. The Nazi concept of the big lie at play.

    As for trying to sow discord along ethnic lines:

    https://www.usip.org/events/crimea-after-five-years-russian-occupation

    At about the 45 minute mark of an overly one-sided panel discussion, the US State Department’s George Kent pointedly says that Crimea is Ukrainian in the Ukrainian and Crimean Tatar languages – never minding the majority ethnic Russian population of Crimea and the fact that Russian is the preferred language there.

    The likes of Kent conveniently (for their bias) omit certain realities. The majority of Crimea’s ethnic Ukrainians support their area’s reunification with Russia. Don’t need the JRL promoted Bloomberg writer Leonid Bershidsky, to acknowledge that Crimea’s reunification with Russia has been virtually bloodless, when compared to Kiev regime controlled Ukraine and the rebel held Donbass territory.

    On the downplayed realities regarding Crimea:

    https://www.academia.edu/37358188/Michael_Averko_Consistency_and_Reality_Lacking_on_Crimea

  445. @AaronB

    1800: The lions were awake and active while the tigers were asleep.

    2019: The tigers are awake and active while the lions are asleep.

    There is a tiger that weeps for the lions and tries to wake them up. That tiger is me.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  446. Gerard2 says:
    @Mitleser

    To be fair to the poor guy – he has probably never heard anybody he knows say something obvious……..like that overwhelming statistical evidence throughout all the continents shows that the more multi-cultural societies are of much higher crime level.

    If he doesn’t even know that, then I can see how easily he could make the kind of stupid comment you highlighted there

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  447. @Gerard2

    What? Why not name the real culprit? Groids and other violent tribes cause crime, not having multiple tribes. The latter reduces social unity but does not inherently boost crime.

    The groid is the problem. Period.

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  448. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    LOL. Lviv is twice the size of Luhansk. Luhansk has much more HIV.

    the marginally higher HIV has nothing to do with promiscuity you cretin – it is for the reasons I stated before.

    The American expatriates who ran the eXile were experts on prostitution. This is what they had to say:

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7573

    “Lola, my whore, came from Severodonetsk, a toxic dump in the Lugansk oblast, the Russified east of Ukraine.I rented her late on Sunday, November 28th — the same day that the Ukrainian governors of several pro-Yanukovich regions were holding a congress in Severodonetsk, threatening to create a breakaway southeastern Ukrainian republic if the “orange” revolution in Kiev succeeded. It was one of those coincidences that writers invent to give a sordid story some relevance — but invention in this case isn’t necessary. We’re talking about whores here, folks. Any john in Moscow knows that Yanukovich country, the pro-Russian southeast of Ukraine, is the snapper-basket of Europe, the white world’s most fertile breeding ground for whores, the Golden Triangle of prostitution production.”

    That amusing nonsense is absurdly little to base you drivel on – against whole mass-scale recollections from people calling Lvov the sex-capital of Europe ( and making similar comments when going to Kiev – which of course sources some of the best woman-for hire from all sides of the country)
    Ames is a deviant – and he almost certainly would have had very little journalistic or cultural reason to go to Lvov int he 90’s – because it is a wasteland – a reject of 2 empires. I reject the whole premise anyway – far more women have gone from Galicia to Donbass since the 90’s, desperate for work/money – than the other way round…and a higher female:male ratio on Donbass is a fact but not a sign of promiscuity

    LOL. Lviv is twice the size of Luhansk. Luhansk has much more HIV.

    LOL…..Not only did I never make the comparison of Lvov against Lugansk, that you would try and falsely (again) turn it to that when I had only mentioned Donbass/Novorossiya and western Ukraine/Galicia…is standard troll lunatic behaviour
    Lugansk oblast is far more industrial/urban : agricultural/urban ratio you cretin. Lvov oblast is not like that – making your comparison laughably braindead.

    What else would you expect from a land of Sovoks?

    Bizarre – Lugansk has produced infinitely more famous, talented , successful people in Engineering , maths, science, business, arts, sport than has Lvov or the whole of Galicia ( reject of two empires) you cretin………a complete non-contest!

    Donbas – birth rate of Japan and HIV rate of sub-Saharan Africa.

    As i have said before – I don’t believe any statistic from Ukraine. Donbass – the most populated region in the whole country with an HIV rate nowhere near sub-saharan Africa ( do you even want to go in that idiotic direction considering the mass cases of Diptheria, Measles and TB in western Ukraine?)

    Anyway the people in Donbass have shown far more sophistication in their electoral behaviour ( unsurprisingly as they are better qualified and harder working people) – not psychopathic lemmings voting 95% against Kravchuk, then 95% for him and against Kuchma, then 95% for Kuchma, then 95% against his guy and 95% for (lol) a perennial loser and obviously flawed guy as Yuschenko. Not to mention the idiotic protests every 2 seconds ( several major ones that weren’t part of the Maidan or Orange revolution years)

    • Replies: @AP
  449. Gerard2 says:
    @EastKekistani

    What? Why not name the real culprit? Groids and other violent tribes cause crime, not having multiple tribes. The latter reduces social unity but does not inherently boost crime.

    The groid is the problem. Period.

    But South Africa is, by far, the highest crime level country in Africa , possibly the world. Obviously the blacks are the make actors in that – but the fact it is highly multi-cultural with millions of well-educated Whites and Indians , must play a huge role in why that country is more violent than a more monoculture African country

  450. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I think the Russkies are smart enough to understand that 99% of blacks simultaneously hate whites, while wishing to be tied to them inseparably, picking their pockets forever.
    Ones like Muhammad Ali that want independence are rare.

    It is the worst nightmare of blacks in America that they be given territory and independence. I’d be willing to give them all those places – with some minor exceptions for ports and military bases. Provided they all left, including mulattoes and Dominicans.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  451. @Gerard2

    but the fact it is highly multi-cultural with millions of well-educated Whites and Indians , must play a huge role in why that country is more violent than a more monoculture African country

    Nah.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    I wonder what made monolithic Lesotho (mostly Sotho) to be even more dangerous than South Africa.

    I simply consider Negroids to be a human form of pathogen. That’s it. More groids, more problems. Fewer groids, fewer problems. “Diversity lowers social unity hence we need separate states” works for Czechs and Slovaks. However it doesn’t work when Negroids are involved.

  452. @songbird

    They all need to go back to Sub-Saharan Africa. We then need to build the Great Wall of Africa to protect North Africa and the rest of the world from groids forever.

  453. @Gerard2

    Moreover the harm caused by Negroidism is a lot more serious than the harm caused by mere diversity without Negroidism. This can be easily shown if we compare a monolithic groid community such as a monoethnic Congolese village, a part groid city in the West and a groid-free multiethnic city such as Singapore or Honolulu. It is clear that any harmful effect of diversity while existent pales compared to the harmful effect of Negroidism in the sense that a 100% groid place with only one tribe is usually even worse than a 50% groid place despite having lower diversity.

    Yes, diversity harms social unity, destroys democracy and that most people indeed should live in nation states. However the harmful effects of diversity still pale compared to the effects of groids. Diversity by itself without groids or groid-like tribes does not cause Detroit nor does it cause a lot of infectious diseases. On the other hand groids cause these problems all the time, with or without diversity. Groids are harmful no matter whether they are segregated.

  454. There are rabbits, squirrels, wolves and foxes.

    If there are only rabbits or squirrels there is almost no violence and animals get along. If you mix rabbits and squirrels they mostly but don’t always get along but again there is almost no violence. If there are only wolves or foxes there is a lot of violence. If they are mixed there is even more violence. If either wolves or foxes is mixed with rabbits, squirrels or both there is a lot of violence.

    Hypothesis 1: Diversity lowers social unity.
    Hypothesis 2: Diversity causes violence.
    Hypothesis 3: Wolves and foxes cause violence.

    1 and 3 are right. 2 is not. It is possible to build a nice society if rabbits and squirrels (also sheep, horses, cows, etc) get their respective ethnostates and be mostly separate and equal. On the other hand nastiness is an inherent characteristic of wolves and foxes (also lions, tigers, etc). Wolf & fox violence is inherently impossible to remove as long as wolves & foxes continue to exist. However segregation can at least contain the problem in the sense that many animals can roam freely in regions wolves and foxes are banned from.

  455. @songbird

    haven’t phone CPUs pretty much hit a brick wall in term of advancements?

    Tell that to Apple, whose SoC are still way ahead of Android equivalents in IPC. Increases are still 20-30% per year on average in either CPU or GPU speed. Anything below 15% is considered slow. CPU architects for the desktop space would dream of that kind of improvement speed.

    Not necessarily saying I would choose the US, but the CCP doesn’t exactly inspire me with confidence.

    You’re probably American. And I would definitely choose China. China doesn’t care if Europe is multicultural. It is a country where jews have no real power. The opposite is the case in the US, where jews are obsessed with diluting white countries and are obsessed with supporting israel’s middle eastern adventures which create refugee streams to Europe. USA is objectively far more harmful than China.

    But the long-term solution would of course be for Europe to have its own capabilities. India also needs to get serious, though that will take more time.

    • Agree: AaronB
  456. @AaronB

    It also made zero sense for Cortez and his little band if starving adventurers to try and conquer the night my Aztec empire, whose cities were more impressive than anything seen in Europe at the time.

    The difference is that Europeans those says did not think like you. They did not believe in HBD either.

    Once European explorers encountered these different races they pretty much immediately started noting differences and began debating which parts of behavioral differences are due to religion, which due to language, which due to culture and which due to blood ie race. They didn’t have a concept of genes yet but they certainly know of heredity, actually probably a better intuitive grasp than most people today given that everyone worked with animals, even warrior aristocrats were very interested in breeding horses.

    The different races and the speculation over their different character and capabilities were popular mainstream subjects for centuries until around the 1960s a cultural revolution made the subject suddenly taboo in the West, ironically right at the same time when discoveries like DNA started making it possible to turn the subject from speculation into applied science with potential benefits.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  457. @Gerard2

    the fact it is highly multi-cultural with millions of well-educated Whites and Indians , must play a huge role in why that country is more violent than a more monoculture African country

    Poverty can paradoxically reduce crime if it is deep enough. People who can barely feed themselves tend to think of other things than robbing and killing people, because you often barely have the energy to do much outside the very basics in your village, if at all. Once you’re still very poor but not extremely poor, then you can start having some energy to roam around and then the crime happens.

    Also, I wonder if Islamic African countries are more or less violent than the Christian ones? Christianity has more permessive social mores, even in relatively conservative SSA. I think Christianity works better for higher IQ peoples with more self-control (that’s why it is increasing in China) whereas Islam works better for dumber peoples with violent impulses given how strict it is. Same strictness also works to intellectually retard a society, but it can constrain the most violent impulses of a society where the DNA of the people living make them inherently more violent/impulsive etc.

    Islam is probably a good environmental adaptation for MENA, Central Asia and SSA. Look at the violence of Brazil. North Africa is similar in IQ but far less violent. The only difference is social mores. Brazil has a white European ruling class which imposes said mores on the largely non-white country, and thus crime flourishes. By comparison, once North Africans go to Europe, crime tends to go up quite dramatically in the 2nd generation (the 1st generation tend to feel gratitude and keep to itself) and far more compared to their home countries. Weaker and more liberal social mores, even if Europe is even less Christian than Brazil, the same effect still applies.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  458. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Lol, you’re completely misunderstanding the situation Kekkers.

    The last thing in the world they want is an alliance with you.

    They recognize you as their masters. See Thulean guy’s comment below. And Reiner Tor’s ” comments.

    They want you guys to dominate them.

    Also go visit Vox Day’s blog – dude is practically salivating over the prospect of an American defeat by China.

    They want you to own them. Some whites fantasize about being owned by blacks, and some whites have the fetish of being dominated by Asians.

    There was a famous decadent Romanian philosopher who wrote in French, Cioran, very popular in the early 20th century – he wrote that Europe yearns to be dominated by Asia.

    So this fetish has a bit of a history.

    There are right wing decadents, and left wing decadents – they both want to be cucked, but the fantasy is a bit different with each side.

    And let this be a warning to you about what happens when one abandons religion, Kekkers – it is sufficiently disgusting I think to serve as a warning sign for all of mankind.

    Anyways, the West will eventually get rid of its right wing decadents (the HBD alt right), and it’s left wing decadents – unfortunately for you, you guys will not be competing against the alt right, so don’t get too excited 🙂

  459. @Thulean Friend

    Poverty can paradoxically reduce crime if it is deep enough. People who can barely feed themselves tend to think of other things than robbing and killing people, because you often barely have the energy to do much outside the very basics in your village, if at all. Once you’re still very poor but not extremely poor, then you can start having some energy to roam around and then the crime happens.

    This doesn’t apply to groids. TNB does not need economic causes.

    Also, I wonder if Islamic African countries are more or less violent than the Christian ones?

    Yes, they are. Just like McDonalds which has almost the same menus in United States and China, Islam does not change its requirements for groids. Hence Negroids in Islam are forced to abide by the same standards non-groid Muslims abide by which does work to some extant. Due to Islam now groids have to read books, even foreign books (i.e. the Qur’an written in Classical Arabic). Some Muslims I know do not understand my anti-groid activism because they believe Islam can fix the groids. I do think they are partly right. Christian groid countries are generally absurdly violent and are filled with STDs while Muslim ones are a lot better. If we look at the HIV rates for example groids tend to have absurdly high HIV rates. However by groid standards the Muslim ones despite not doing as well as Muslim non-groids still do a lot better than non-Muslim groids.

    Christianity has more permessive social mores, even in relatively conservative SSA. I think Christianity works better for higher IQ peoples with more self-control (that’s why it is increasing in China) whereas Islam works better for dumber peoples with violent impulses given how strict it is. Same strictness also works to intellectually retard a society, but it can constrain the most violent impulses of a society where the DNA of the people living make them inherently more violent/impulsive etc.

    LOL. I think we agree here. Buddhism and Christianity (and Judaism?) are good fits for higher-IQ races. Islam on the other hand is a good fit for violent tropical people.

    Islam is probably a good environmental adaptation for MENA, Central Asia and SSA. Look at the violence of Brazil. North Africa is similar in IQ but far less violent. The only difference is social mores. Brazil has a white European ruling class which imposes said mores on the largely non-white country, and thus crime flourishes. By comparison, once North Africans go to Europe, crime tends to go up quite dramatically in the 2nd generation (the 1st generation tend to feel gratitude and keep to itself) and far more compared to their home countries. Weaker and more liberal social mores, even if Europe is even less Christian than Brazil, the same effect still applies.

    Yep.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  460. AaronB says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    This is correct. I also find natural differences and heredity fascinating. I am anything but a Blank Slatist.

    Today’s understanding of HBD is a completely different beast – it is infinitely less complex and nuanced than what our forebears understood, and very rigid and simplistic. A stripped down stupid mans version.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  461. @Thulean Friend

    This all reminds me of Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist who was mini-famous in Sweden during the early 2000s. He got radicalised when he was in prison, though not as an inmate. He was there as a psychologist.

    Danes still bought into very Scandinavian concept of therapy over punishment for most criminals irrespective of background back then. Today it’s a bit more mixed over there, though Sweden still insists on this.

    Sennels quickly was forced to the conclusion that there was a huge difference in attitude between ethnic Danes and non-whites (by which I mean MENA, SSA etc). Danes were often genueinly conflicted over their crimes and had an urge to right their wrongs. There was clear moral anguish in the vast majority of them. North Africans, Africans, by contrast, had very little such understanding. They often despised their therapy sessions and often even saw them as a sign of weakness.

    Sennels started to read more about schools, because he was still a liberal at that stage and thought it was something about their educational background which made them like this. The literature said clearly that were was a problem in having Danish kids in the same classes as Arabs or Iranians or Turks. The leftists who wrote these reports naturally blamed Danish society for being ‘racist’ and ‘exlusionary’ but Sennells ignored their conclusions and just read the source material, i.e. the actual interviews.

    When Danish social scientists interviewed the pupils, a common refrain was “you need more discipline in the class room!”. The kids themselves longed for much stricter discipline, being unable to adapt to Danish standards of self-control. But the more relaxed social environment where the teacher and the student are on the same social footing works very well in a purely egalitarian Scandinavian setting. This is one of the many dilemmas of multiculturalism. I had this kind of school experience myself where the teacher didn’t have to scream or shout. Pupils naturally listened and there was peace and quiet in the class room. It doesn’t work with low IQ brown people with violent and impulsive mannerisms.

    Hence Islam could be an environmental adaptation for such peoples. The trashiest girls I see in Sweden are often 2nd gen immigrant girls. The kinds whose family bought the propaganda kool-aid fullstop. Nogs are not entirely wrong when they fear westernisation because the social decline in these families is often far greater than among whites (again, see Brazil and much of black America). Islam acts as a break to prevent total degradation given much lower impulse- and self-control.

    Whether in schools or in prison or society at large, these people want to have a very strict system because they know themselves best, they cannot handle our permissive social attitude because it places the onus of restraint on the individual to a much greater extent. White liberals think the whole world is the same, so they insist on having the same social mores everywhere, with disastrous results.

    • Agree: Adam, Epigon
  462. AP says:
    @Gerard2

    LOL. Lviv is twice the size of Luhansk. Luhansk has much more HIV.

    the marginally higher HIV has nothing to do with promiscuity you cretin – it is for the reasons I stated before.

    Five times higher. I suppose you think that 2.5 times higher rates of syphilis and gonorrhea in Luhansk vs. Lviv also have nothing to do with promiscuity? LOL.

    Donbas’ heroin problem probably makes its HIV rate higher than its syphillis rate.

    against whole mass-scale recollections from people calling Lvov the sex-capital of Europe

    Taken from some Russian website. The ones who go around screwing eastern European women (Matt Forney) note that Lviv girls are not easy like other ones.

    A random commenter here noted:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/im-shocked-shocked-to-hear/?highlight=lviv#comment-757678

    “The Western Ukrainians are like Poles. Even despite decades of outright Soviet neglect and outright antagonism the level of culture in a place like Lwow (Lviv) far outstrips anything in Donetsk. I’ve spent significant time in both cities. Lwow felt like a Western city occupied by a foreign power. The people are fantastic, in a true conservative sense. They value their history, their land, their crafts, and they are a self-sufficient people. Donetsk is completely Soviet – deracinated, crappy industries, corrupt and crime ridden, and full of people who would emigrate to the West in a heart beat if they could. Even before the fighting Donetsk was a basket case like every other Russian and East Ukrainian city. If you want to get laid, go to Donetsk. The women have no morals, prostituting yourself is just what women do. In Lwow people still get married and value families. That alone explains why so many in the “manosphere” side with East Ukraine.”

    You are just digging your hole deeper 🙂

    Bizarre – Lugansk has produced infinitely more famous, talented , successful people in Engineering , maths, science, business, arts, sport

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk#Notable_people

    Mostly just athletes, like African-Americans.

    Donbass – the most populated region in the whole country with an HIV rate nowhere near sub-saharan Africa

    It’s actually within the norm for sub-Saharan Africa.

    Ukraine’s HIV rate is .9%. That means Donbas is at around 1.8%.

    Sure. Swaziland is at 27%.

    But Nigeria is at 2.9%.

    Sierra Leone and Gambia are at 1.7%, Liberia and Ghana are at 1.6%, Burundi at 1.1%.

    Donbas HIV rate is a lot lower than southern Africa but above average for western sub-Saharan Africa.

    So yes – Donbas has the birth rate of Japan and the HIV rate of sub-Saharan Africa.

  463. @EastKekistani

    Buddhism and Christianity (and Judaism?) are good fits for higher-IQ races. Islam on the other hand is a good fit for violent tropical people.

    We absolutely agree. Though if this hypothesis is true, then it would indicate that South Asia has a higher native IQ than many IQ researchers predict given that Hinduism has survived in the subcontinent whereas other faiths were wiped out in Central Asia (primarily Buddhism) or the Middle East (Zoroastrianism etc). Hinduism is quite liberal, at least compared to Islam. One of the major religious Hindu schools even allows for atheism. Still, Hindus account for maybe 60% of all of South Asia, so it isn’t likely that they are on European levels, but probably still fairly high. Certainly higher than 82 or so which is the common number I’ve seen.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  464. @Thulean Friend

    Though if this hypothesis is true, then it would indicate that South Asia has a higher native IQ than many IQ researchers predict given that Hinduism has survived in the subcontinent whereas other faiths were wiped out in Central Asia (primarily Buddhism) or the Middle East (Zoroastrianism etc).

    Right. I don’t think Indians actually genetically suck. It is possible that their genotypical IQ can be fairly high while severe malnutrition (much worse than in SSA because groids traditionally eat a lot of meat while 50%+ of Indians are vegetarian) has reversibly stunted their progress.

    We can also apply this hypothesis to Southeast Asia. Muslim Malays and Indonesians behave a lot better than Christian Filipinos and Pacific Islanders. When a people don’t get enough Ice People genes & memes they probably need Islam as a quick fix, otherwise they tend to behave like groids. Yes, Islam may even have evolutionary effects against groid-like degeneracy.

  465. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    It strikes me that man craves submission to a Higher Power, and he will apotheosize humans if he he rejects God.

    So alt right whites are divided between apotheosizing Asians or Jews, and the Left apotheosizes blacks and browns.

    In this way whites who have abandoned God invest humans with the status of a Higher Power to satisfy their craving for submission.

    Very weird and deranged and grotesque times we live in.

  466. melanf says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    My family on my father’s side is dark haired (by Finn standards) but we just burn in the sun and there’s no way we could tan so much that we would have skin like the Turks.

    compare:

    Meanwhile, the first pictures – aboriginal of Australia (Nguluma)And in the second photo aboriginal of Sweden

    ” just burn in the sun”

    – such people exist (my wife has such pale skin not able to tan), but such people even in Scandinavia are a minority

    I don’t see a lot of Armenians but there are Turks, Kurds, Iranians in Helsinki and there is no way most of Finns or Estonians could reach their average skin color

    Of course, the skin color of Armenians (on average) is slightly darker than that of Finns (under the same conditions), but the skin of Armenians is undoubtedly “white”.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Jaakko Raipala
  467. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    I don’t understand why classifying the world into 5 races, with e.g. (placing Indians and Arabs together with Europeans) is useful.

    As far as I know the “big” race reflect the origin of ethnic groups. That is, the ancestors of the Norwegians separated from the ancestors of the Chinese much earlier than the ancestors of the Norwegians separated from the ancestors of the Arabs

  468. LondonBob says:
    @melanf

    Swedes go very brown when they tan. Irish by contrast stay very white no matter how much they go in the sun.

    I knew an Armenian guy who you would mistake for Indian, but most were a bit lighter, sometimes very pale.

    • Replies: @melanf
  469. melanf says:
    @LondonBob

    I knew an Armenian guy who you would mistake for Indian

    Ossetian Anna Gurieva and Indian Ashvariya Rai

  470. @AaronB

    Today’s understanding of HBD is a completely different beast – it is infinitely less complex and nuanced

    But when you are told that literally no one (other than JayMan and maybe hbd chick) believes in your straw man version of HBD, you keep citing one-sentence blog comments as “evidence” that HBD is “non-nuanced.” Someone writes a comment to the effect “blacks are 1 std below whites, so what could you expect,” and in your mind it becomes evidence that the person who wrote the comment thinks that IQ is the only thing which matters, and that nothing but genetics matters, and so you start attacking the straw man.

  471. @AaronB

    They recognize you as their masters. See Thulean guy’s comment below. And Reiner Tor’s ” comments.

    They want you guys to dominate them.

    What? I suspect it’s not your reading comprehension, you are doing it deliberately. Though of course there’s always the possibility that you are really that dumb.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Hyperborean
  472. @AaronB

    No, I actually think you are using motivated reasoning, against America.

    That’s pretty different from what you accused me of before. You accused me of being a defeatist. Now you accuse me of being unduly optimistic about China’s chances because I want them so badly to win. Not exactly the same thing. It’s pretty interesting that you find it so difficult to concede the point that what you accused me of was not actually defeatism. I’m actually often pessimistic when confronted with the enormous power of the Globohomo Empire. See my comments about America’s military superiority in many of the earlier Open Threads.

    I detected a tremendous amount of passion, even anger, in your defense of HBD.

    That’s not entirely true. I’m passionate about not lying and saying the truth. You and your other persona both keep proposing that even though HBD is essentially true, we should lie about it, emphasize other aspects, etc. That’s what got us into our present position.

    I’m not very passionate when a dumb person (like Okechukwu) attacks HBD, or when a smart person (like Matt, who used to comment a couple years ago maybe) makes more clever arguments.

    But a proposal to lie or conceal the truth makes me angry.

    Disinterested science is a rhetorical pose, for everyone.

    The degenerate keeps pretending that everyone is a degenerate. Someone who is incapable of objectivity insists that there’s no objectivity anyway. Communist usually talked openly about how they are partisan in their Marxist-Leninist “science,” but kept insisting that there’s no fully objective science, so it’s all good and jolly. You are the same: you propose that we conceal the thing which Jews want concealed, and that it’s very complicated and not very objective anyway. Basically that’s the obscurantist argument people like Jared Diamond would use, it’s very complicated, there are no genetic differences between New Guineans and Europeans anyway, except Europeans are dumber.

    Whatever, dude.

    The correct attitude

    Like I need your advice what is correct and what is not.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  473. @AaronB

    China will be a much harsher mistress, and is racially alien to you.

    Perhaps. Anyone with too much power is bad. What we are hoping for – and you cannot say that no revolutionary believed this before – is that the Globohomo Power Structure would collapse after some external defeat. Because it’s actively working on our destruction, it’d be a good thing. And we hope this defeat won’t be in a world war, only in some economic competition.

  474. @AaronB

    You are not very hard headed, you are actively obscurantist.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  475. Logan says:
    @Dmitry

    Right. Which is why the modern idea that Christianity brought in devaluation of female sexuality is backwards.

    In Greek/Roman society female sexuality, by definition playing the passive role, was inherently degrading. In fact, the reason the passive role was considered degrading for a male was that it was “like a woman.”

    Christianity largely got rid of that idea, and today it’s been so forgotten that most modern anti-Christians don’t even realize it ever existed.

    Here’s another aspect of the ancient idea of “men good, women bad.”

    The Latin words for virtue and virility come from the same root, which means man. So virtue was “being like a man,” which by obvious extrapolation means being virile and dominant. So not feminine or passive in any way.

    Hence the enormous psychological shift required to view Jesus as the ideal man/human. His suffering and death was not active or virile in any way. Thus a true ancient Roman would be utterly confused by anyone viewing his death as a victory.

    Internalizing the idea that Right and Good did not always mean dominant and active made it possible for female traits to become viewed as positive.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Dmitry
  476. Logan says:
    @neutral

    Fair enough.

    You do realize, I assume, that your post is a classic expression of OSAF. Opinion Stated As Fact.

    Asserting something is not making an argument.

    I now know what you believe. You have provided zero reason why I should also believe it.

    Unless I revere you. Which, since I don’t know you, I don’t.

  477. @melanf

    – such people exist (my wife has such pale skin not able to tan), but such people even in Scandinavia are a minority

    “Even in Scandinavia?” Our stereotype is that Swedes tan very easily and deeply compared to Finns. (Northern Europeans tend to go to the same places in Tenerife, Thailand etc so people develop tourist stereotypes.) Norwegians and Icelanders have significantly more of the red hair gene than other Scandinavians so they’re more likely to have the completely non-tanning skin but that’s still a really small part.

    They did studies on this back in the pre-WWII days when it was not PC and I could dig some of those up (but they’re mostly in Swedish or German so takes work for me) but Scandinavians are much more likely to tan deeply than Finns, Balts or Celtic fringe British people (probably north Russians too). Perhaps it’s those Middle East farmer genes that they have and northeasterners don’t but Scandinavians have a different skin type.

    There’s a strange tendency to use Scandinavians as some extreme of whiteness when they’re not really the peak of any white trait.

    Red hair – most common in Celtic and some Volga Finno-Ugric areas
    Blue eyes – most common in Baltic Sea Finnic people
    Blonde hair – most common in Baltic Sea Finnic people
    Height – peaks around Netherlands
    Big Caucasoid nose – peaks in Caucasus
    etc

  478. Logan says:
    @EastKekistani

    Well, I suspect most would consider me a trad based on lifestyle and beliefs.

    But that is based on examining traditional beliefs and the claims against them and deciding that the trad POV is in general closer to the truth, rather than accepting them simply because they’re traditional.

    The total flip-flop in attitudes towards gay marriage from 2/3 anti to 2/3 pro in less than 20 years reflects the dangers of a trad ideology. Trad essentially means going along to get along. You “believe” something not because you’ve examined it and made your own decision but because it’s what everyone else believes, or at least what you think everyone else believes.

    This type of trad belief can be flipped very quickly, since they will change their view in accordance with what they think others believe.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  479. @AaronB

    Vox Day simply states that the US will lose the next war.

    I myself am not impressed by the US military, but unlike Vox Day I’m not prepared to make such a prediction. Mainly because I’m not in a position to evaluate the quality of the Chinese military.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  480. @Logan

    Then you are an independent thinker, not a trad or an anti-trad fashion-pursuer. You take positions based on their actual merits, not politics (believe A because a high status person claims to believe A is politics, not intellectualism).

  481. @Jaakko Raipala

    Scandinavia gets as much annual sunlight as much of the Mediterranean, and it’s concentrated into a shorter season. I’ve always assumed we’ve evolved better adaptations for tanning compared to people from the British isles for that reason.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  482. @Thorfinnsson

    Yes, there’s this light-skinned blue-eyed blond, yet nevertheless easily tanning, type of people, and I’d put their epicenter in Scandinavia.

  483. @Thorfinnsson

    A non-nuclear military conflict is inherently difficult to predict, because there hasn’t been a major greater power military conflict since 1945 (Vietnam or Korea, where some Soviet soldiers participated as pilots or in air defense, were relatively minor issues), and so we don’t even know if for example anti-ship missiles or carrier battle groups would come out on top.

    Therefore, the odds should be put relatively closer to 50, but due to the vastly higher institutional experience, several times higher accumulated military capital, the higher overall technological level, and the fact that whites (especially Southern US whites, the backbone of the US military) are a more martial race than the Chinese, I’d still skew the odds towards the US. So maybe 60:40 or 70:30 for a US win.

    It also depends on the goals: if we define a US win as “keeping China bottled up close to its shores, except Taiwan,” it’s pretty different from if we define as “conquering China” or “expelling China from Taiwan.” A “China win” could be defined as “destroying US carrier groups venturing within striking distance of the shore, but otherwise being kept bottled up in the seas close to their shores” or “breaking out of the Eastern Pacific” or “destroying the whole US Pacific Fleet and dictating the terms of peace” or whatever.

    It’s also likely that a nuclear war cannot be won by China for the moment, maybe not even if they strike first.

  484. @AaronB

    Japan did not specifically want war with America, but it wanted to be stronger than America was prepared to let it be. So it chose war, but was not forced into it.

    It’s pretty interesting that you don’t understand honor.

    The Japanese were required to leave China immediately. This was unlikely to be accepted without any compensation – they had lost lots of blood and money and several years trying to conquer the place, so they was unlikely to accept it. Yes, it would have been rational, but the Japanese just followed your advice, and thought that “the most intelligent thing to do is just try your best to achieve your hearts desire, and let the world surprise you.” Well, the world did surprise them, but not in a good way.

    It seems to me pretty likely that they’d have accepted the Hull note if they were given the option of only withdrawing from Indochina. The American thinking was basically that of a bad parent – letting the Japanese get away with a lot of things, and then suddenly cracking down on everything, which led to war.

    It’s still interesting that you don’t seem to understand Japanese thinking.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  485. melanf says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    “Even in Scandinavia?” Our stereotype is that Swedes tan very easily and deeply compared to Finns. (Northern Europeans tend to go to the same places in Tenerife, Thailand etc so people develop tourist stereotypes.)

    I meant “greater Scandinavia” including Finland.

    At the anthropological forum you can easily find photos of tanned Finns. This girl (Finnish)

    is darker than many Armenian girls.

    Based on the usual definition of “white” people, this girls are white and most Armenians are white too.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Jaakko Raipala
  486. @Dmitry

    Of course cannot, for products which they have not paid for. This is how you would be sued.

    Well, if Chinese firms are blockaded the way Huawei is going to be right now, it’ll be akin to a breakdown of WTO and a trade embargo. Then you won’t be able to sue Huawei, because American or Japanese courts won’t be able to enforce their decisions in China, and Chinese courts will simply throw out your case.

    Basically that was my question: if China wants to use it, they can just easily steal it, it’s just a question of whether they accept American (or Japanese) intellectual property.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  487. Epigon says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Height peaks in Dinaroid areas.

    Those country average numbers are irrelevant – Montenegro is diluted by 20% Bosniaks, 10% Albanians and assimilated Albanians identifying as Montenegrins.
    Serbia is genetically extremely heterogenous.
    To get the true Dinaroid average height, one should only take Dalmatian hinterland, Herzegovina in Bosnia&Herzegovina and Old Herzegovina in Montenegro. This is a historic fact, medieval Serb rulers’ skeletons range from 187 to 210 cm, yet didn’t suffer from Peter the Great’s disproportions. Later Montenegrin ruler Njegoš was 204 cm in XIX century

    The difference between the Dinaroids and the Dutch is the build – compare the number of Dutch and Serb basketball and volleyball top players. Dutch seem taller than they are because they are so slim and of slight stature.

  488. Rand Corporation ideas on how to break Russia. One idea is to try to get a high proportion of young talented Russians to emigrate.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-22/rand-corp-how-destroy-russia

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  489. @reiner Tor

    The Japanese were required to leave China immediately. This was unlikely to be accepted without any compensation

    Even China proper would probably have been too much for them, but Japanese officials (perhaps ironically) believed that the Hull note considered Manchuria as a part of China.

    From their perspective it would be rather hard to justify withdrawing from an area twice the size of Austria-Hungary (to put it in European context).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  490. @reiner Tor

    Its most likely a combination of deep delusion and serious brain damage.

  491. Epigon says:

    Japan was ridiculously reliant on USA – ores, metals, scrap metal, crude oil and petroleum products.

    The Americans allowed them to build up their industry and military, get bogged down in China and expansion in the Pacific and Indochina AND then cut off their resource lifeline.
    From that moment on, Japan was running on borrowed time – had they reached the moment when the stocks ran out while still fighting the Chinese, it would have been a disaster.

    Also, Japanese codes were already broken in 1940 – taking this into account, the “coincidences” of positioning useless Standard-type 20.5-21 knot WW1 dreadnoughts in Pearl as a tempting target while the cruisers and carriers, let alone fast battleships were safely away immediately raises suspicions.

    The Standards were anachronistic battlewagons optimised for a Jutland rerun, though in the Pacific (AON armour, long range gunnery due to better vision range compared to North Sea etc.) – they would have been hopeless in a fleet battle close to Japan against a daytime Japanese Combined Fleet based on carrier and fast battleship (Yamato and Nagato classes), let alone Long lance equipped night fighting trained destroyer and cruiser divisions at night (cue Dutch East Indies campaign that saw Allied cruisers mauled).

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  492. @reiner Tor

    Who knew that people at Rand read AK’s blog?

  493. Epigon says:

    Who would win?

    1 native speaker, competent Google user

    vs.

    the combined might of USA think tanks and “Russia experts”

    • LOL: reiner Tor
  494. @Hyperborean

    If the Americans’ intention was to stop the bad behavior, then they chose a very bad way to do that. I’m not sure if it was intentional.

    This is similar to their MO with Turkey and the S-400 system. They don’t give the other party a way to give concessions while saving face.

  495. @reiner Tor

    What? I suspect it’s not your reading comprehension, you are doing it deliberately. Though of course there’s always the possibility that you are really that dumb.

    He likes to try and hit emotional buttons. ‘Cuck’ is a bit of a weak accusation after it comes to include Hitler though.

  496. @EastKekistani

    Its hard to argue that late era Roman “games and bread” politics weren’t pretty incredibly degenerate with earlier standards of dignitas increasingly replaced by decadence and low time preference. Homosexuality in and of itself is symbolic; with widespread toleration, it is often the sign of ill health and dyscivic impulses: Roman attitudes toward homosexuality, for example, were not positive and on a practical level noted that it took away procreation. Ancient Roman attitudes totally condemned homosexuality and accused it of being a Grecian vice.

    As for Greece, the Hellenistic world was actually fairly short lived despite its cultural importance and was defeated by the Romans largely due to major political weakness which allowed the Romans to play them against each other. Much has been made of the military advantage of the maniple but credit should also be given to the underlying thought process: the Greek/Macedon system required “great men” to coordinate complex combined arms, essentially imposing fragility and high overhead to their forces. Roman tactics were far more simple and collectivistic; they simply required competent centurions rather than any specific greatness. Attrition always favored the Romans.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  497. @Epigon

    It wasn’t clear at the time that battleships were imminently to be replaced by aircraft carriers as primary capital ships. The performance of aircraft was quite unimpressive until the late 1930s, and then there was still the issue of aircraft successfully hitting their targets. And even the high performance aircraft today can’t deliver anything close to the weight of fire that battleships can. All armed forces at the time also overestimated the efficacy of anti-aircraft artillery.

    A British parliamentary committee in 1936 stated that it was possible that battleships would become obsolete, but that Britain could not stop building battleships as long as all other navies were committed to building. For it it turned out battleships were not obsolete and Britain had abandoned building them, then the Empire would be lost.

    Both the USN and IJN went into WW2 with Mahanian doctrines expecting to fight a decisive battle in the Western Pacific. The Pearl Harbor raid by the Kido Butai was not a departure from this. Japan’s interwar naval planning stressed “thinning out” the American battlefleet with aircraft, submarines, and night attacks by screening ships in order to offset the superior size of the American Navy enshrined by the Washington and London Naval Treaties.

    The slow speed of WW1-era battleships was not necessarily thought to be indicative of obsolescence. Note that both the Yamato-class and planned Montana-class had maximum speeds under 30 knots. The definition of a capital ship, after all, is a ship that could only be sunk by another capital ship. A concentrated battlefleet could sortie somewhere where the enemy simply could not tolerate the fleet’s presence and be required to respond, setting the stage for the decisive battle that Mahanian navies expected.

    The Two-Ocean Navy Act of 1940, the proximate cause of Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor (need to gain Pacific naval supremacy before overwhelming American shipbuilding came online), did authorize eighteen aircraft carriers but also seven battleships (remember America already had more battleships than carriers at the time and more building) and six battlecruisers.

    As it was battleships were fairly useful during the war. The only battleships sunk underway by aircraft during the entire war were the HMS Prince of Wales, Roma, and Yamato. Roma was sunk by history’s first guided antiship bomb, and the Yamato was sunk by a ridiculously large air armada and struck by dozens of torpedoes and bombs.

    There was also one aircraft carrier sunk by battleships during the war. The British aircraft carrier HMS Glorious was sunk by the German battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @reiner Tor
  498. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    So I am an obscurantist for claiming there are more things than we currently know, and you are scientific for not wanting to know more than you do.

    Amazing.

    You make a simple statement – China has more people, and higher IQ, so it will dominate. A child can make this statement.

    And I point out it is more complicated – population size does simply mean larger economy, and IQ has modest correlation to outcomes and explains only 40% of variance between groups anyways.

    And I further point out that history shows that things develop in unexpected and non-linear ways and that we humans have an absolutely terrible record at forecasting.

    So by trying to broaden our vision to take in more facts and gain a fuller and more complete picture, I am an obscurantist – and you, by trying to narrow your vision to the smallest slice of reality you can and close your eyes to the larger picture, are scientific.

    And that simpleton Daniel Chieh, who sounds like an ESL student struggling to put together a coherent English sentence, cheers you on.

    So in this late stage of decadence obscurantism has come to mean wanting to know the full picture and broaden our vision, and scientific has come to mean closing ones eyes to anything but the narrowest slice of the picture.

    This, btw, is why science has ground to a halt – the Great Stagnation indeed.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  499. Epigon says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    There is a significant difference between North Carolina, South Dakota and Iowa classes on one side, and Standard types on the other. (I am an avid fan of US battleships – SoDak is the GOAT design). Iowa was de facto a 4.5 knot faster SoDak (actually less protected by % of hull, weaker citadel bulkheads and TDS) with slightly better guns, at the cost of 10 000+ tons bigger size. Speed was THAT important.

    The same stands for Fuso and Ise class in comparison with drastically modernised Nagatos, let alone Yamatos (you forgot Musashi – met its end at the hands of carrier aircraft).
    Japanese carrier sorties were escorted by Kongos to give them a screen against cruisers that possesed the speed to threaten them.

    Perhaps it is most drastically demonstrated in case of the British – compare Revenge class to unmodernised Barham or Malaya, and then to a Warspite, finally to a KGV.

    American Standards had casemate secondaries, no meaningful AA capability at the start of war, glacial speed and outdated torpedo protection ineffective against much more potent torpedo warheads. They would have been savaged by carriers in the open sea, as well as cruiser+destroyer Japanese divisions.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  500. melanf says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    There’s a strange tendency to use Scandinavians as some extreme of whiteness when they’re not really the peak of any white trait.

    For unknown reasons, it is widely believed that the German-speaking Scandinavians (unlike the Finns) have the correct Nordic facial features. But just look at the group photos to make sure that this is clearly a myth

  501. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    Being defeatist is not incompatible with using motivated reasoning.

    You are highly motivated to defend white mediocrity based on mischaracterizing HBD data and highly motivated to forecast the inevitable dominance of a racially alien civilization over the West, and highly motivated to ignore facts and larger perspectives which cast doubt on this.

    It is clear to me that you are anything but objective, and pessimism has its own motivations.

    You are passionate about truth, but accept we are shaped by evolution – whose imperative is not truth but survival. So you contradict yourself and are clearly merely adopting a rhetorical pose.

    Evolution could only have made you passionate about survival, not truth – assuming evolution is true.

    Being passionate about truth – the pose of neutrality in sifting data – is objectively the mask worn by pessimistic motivation. Pessimism being the decadent hope for survival, because he feels himself weak.

    And I never suggested we lie about HBD – on the contrary, my issue with you guys is that you mischaracterize the data so egregiously in favor of pessimism (which for a weak person, a decadent, is a logical survival strategy).

    What’s more, I suggested a healthy person is highly motivated to develop a positive picture about himself and his abilities but will accept the constraint of facts. Not lie. But also not start from a place of neutrality.

    A decadent, who is conscious of declining powers and exhaustion, is highly motivated to develop a pessimistic picture of his possibilities. But decadent are less likely to accept the constraint if facts, as we see with you, because their survival is more threatened.

    Both are pursuing perfectly logical survival strategies, but its important to point out the difference.

    I never said we should conceal the truth about hereditary differences – merely characterize it accurately, and not impose pessimistic interpretations on the data simply because one is a decadent who feels too exhausted to compete.

    I am sorry you have an allergy to nuanced and complex pictures, and want simplistic fairy tales that support your pessimism.

    You certainly do not need my advice on what is correct – I should have made clear that I was describing the attitude of a healthy non decadent.

    Obviously a decadent has an evolutionary imperative to mischaracterize data in a pessimistic fashion because he is conscious of declining powers within himself.

    It is the instinct towards hibernation – the impending Great Hibernation of Europeans.

    This isn’t “wrong”, and you are not “bad”.- you are responding to a healthy instinct. The weak must really avoid competition and submit.

    It is simply important to correctly characterize you – and make clear you do not stand for the revitalization of the West.

    (And no, your decadence is not genetic – it is the loss of religion, which leads to declining powers)

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @reiner Tor
  502. Dmitry says:
    @melanf

    The photo comparison is not typical.

    Armenians are externally a “brown” people (in colloquial sense) in the sense of below 40 degrees latitude appearance.

    In addition, Armenians are externally a homogeneous looking race (much more than Georgians), which is native to its latitude for thousands of years.

    Children in winter at Pushkin school in Yerevan. This is winter, so it is the appearance without sun exposure.

    Of course, Finns are very “white” (in the colloquial sense) – children typically adapted melanin levels for 60 degrees latitude.

  503. @melanf

    Satu Tuomisto is not full Finnish, she is part-gypsy (1/4 from father of mother). That’s almost always the case if you find a Finn that dark.

    I meant “greater Scandinavia” including Finland.

    Genetically Greater Scandinavia = all of Western Europe before Finns are included. Only some Swedes show a bit of Finnish admixture, otherwise Scandinavians are totally distant.

    Finns are easterners and if there’s a greater genetic group it’s with Balts and northern Russians.

    There is a lot of variation because genes are discrete things and you have different frequencies between different populations but there are some pretty obvious visible differences between people.

    • Replies: @melanf
  504. Epigon says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    As for Greece, the Hellenistic world was actually fairly short lived despite its cultural importance and was defeated by the Romans largely due to major political weakness which allowed the Romans to play them against each other.

    The Macedon the Romans invaded and conquered was a depopulated, impoverished region.
    Alexander’s conquests transplanted its nobility all the way to the Indus and installed them as the rulling caste. The landed, well-off farmers that constituted the phalanx were settled outside of Macedon as well as the foundation of Diadochi power – furthermore, Macedonians were in high demand by Diadochi for their wars, because they couldn’t rely on Asian subjects to provide phalanx soldiers (Ptolemies included Egyptians, who subsequently rebelled; Selecuids drafted Syrians to bad results). Diadochi warfare was dominated by Macedonian and Greek professionals and mercenaries employed by rulers in Asia Minor, Syria, Levant and Egypt.

    Worse even, the Gaulish invasions of 3rd century devastated Macedon even further.

    Much has been made of the military advantage of the maniple but credit should also be given to the underlying thought process: the Greek/Macedon system required “great men” to coordinate complex combined arms, essentially imposing fragility and high overhead to their forces.

    There was practically no cavalry to speak of at the time of Roman invasions of Macedon. The demographic and economic reality of Macedon was such that there simply weren’t enough great estates, aristocracy that once produced Hetairoi, or lesser nobility that constituted Prodromoi.

    At Pydna, the hastily trained/green phalanx broke through the maniples, lost cohesion – gaps were formed, which were exploited by experienced Romans and as a result it was annihilated.
    At Cynoscephalae, the phalanx was caught in difficult, broken terrain before it was deployed properly – through bad generalship and insufficient scouting/screening.

    Alexander could rely on a significant and varied cavalry force as well as and supporting infantry types – Macedon of 2nd century BC had none of that.

    Roman tactics were far more simple and collectivistic; they simply required competent centurions rather than any specific greatness. Attrition always favored the Romans.

    Rome was a heavy infantry meatgrinder. At first, it threw its citizen militia, self-funded youngest and poorest sons to wear the enemy down (hastati) and tire them, to be followed by experienced soldiers in the prime of their life who survived through hastati rank (principes). Ahead of hastati, the velites skirmishers were younger or even poorer young men.

    Later on, Rome was an entirely people’s army. Legions were raised en masse even before Marius’ reforms that saw urban poor and proletariat as prime manpower reserve for recruitment, as opposed to previous practice of relying on small and middle farmers. One just needs to take a look at losses in the Socii War, or the speed with which the Romans raised legions to fight Teutons, Cimbri, Ambrones; or the number of men involved in Roman civil wars of 1st century BC.

    Their opponents had a significantly smaller demographic base (Roman Republican Army was constitued of 50% Romans and 50% Socii – previously defeated Italics) and/or relied on mercenaries. Carthage had a small military aristocracy, drafted Libyans to bad effect, and started relying on Iberians and Celts (Mercenary War result).
    Nowhere is this more evident than in the case of Pyrrhus – his army based on Epirote professional core, noble cavalry and mercenaries could win direct engagements – but as the conflict lingered on – Roman advantage in manpower and resources proved too much.

    To sum it all up – Rome had the demography and economy to field more heavy (at times very high quality) infantry than any of their opponents by a far margin. Gaulic armies saw perhaps 10% swordsmen – post-Marius, every Roman legionnaire was outfitted with a large shield, helmet, lorica and a gladius, all provided by the state.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  505. Dmitry says:
    @Logan

    It’s an interesting idea, that the emphasis on weakness (and therefore seeing feminine, “weak” virtue) is one of the differences introduced by Christianity.

    The universal prohibition and dislike against homosexuals is of course, very directly from Judaism, whose values were later spread within Christianity.

    Elevation of romantic love as a virtue is of course not from the original Christianity of Jesus’ time, contained in the Gospels. I’ve read Gospels three times, and cannot remember anything related to that (it just wasn’t clearly an interesting topic for the writers of the text). Although in the Old Testament, are heterosexual love stories like Samson and Delilah (and homosexuality is absent), but even in Old Testament it’s not something which is considered particularly special, or elevated like it is in our modern European culture.

    On the other hand, in Ancient Greek writing, there is idealisation of romantic love, even more than in the modern world – for example, text Symposiums and Phaedrus of Plato. The source of the elevation of romantic love to the highest value in European culture is clearly from these Ancient Athenian texts, and is part of the classical tradition.

    I’m not if there are examples of Chivalric love (for an unattainable woman), as culturally celebrated in the Ancient World? It seems to be something which emerged more uniquely in the medieval world?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  506. @Epigon

    The difference is twenty years. Technological progress during this time was fast as well.

    The Iowa-class was planned to counter Japanese cruisers and to operate with aircraft carriers as powerful armed reconnaissance forces.

    The un-built follow-on Montana-class, which authorized more battleships than any of the other battleship classes, had a design speed of 28 knots. Much faster than the old Standard battleships, but slower than the Iowas, cruisers, and carriers. About the same speed as the North Carolinas and SoDaks.

    Remember, naval planners in the 1930s did not know what was going to happen during World War 2. They had to work based off of what they knew.

    And yes, American battleships were the best battleships. Claiming the SoDaks as superior to the Iowas is an interesting choice.

    My bad on the Musashi.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  507. @Thorfinnsson

    For it it turned out battleships were not obsolete and Britain had abandoned building them, then the Empire would be lost.

    Exactly my reasoning for why Russia needs aircraft carriers.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  508. EldnahYm says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    I know many of those old racial theories about Nordics also included cephalic index, with the idea that the Nordic race was more dolichocephalic. Some theorists of the time thought Swedes were more dolichocephalic than Finns, but I don’t have any figures.

    However, even if none of the traits peaked in Scandinavia, it may still be the case that Scandinavians are more likely to have all of the traits(except for red hair) than others.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  509. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    They wouldn’t be able to sell the phones then. And the support/software for current CPU, GPU and SoC is all requiring help of ARM and its ecosystem.

    What they could probably do is to transition for the next generation of their phones to another company which is less responsive to American sanctions. Transition process could be annoying and expensive for them – and require breaking relationship they have for years with ARM.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  510. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry

    Romantic Love developed in southern France among the Troubadours, I believe, and this area was a stronghold of Gnosticism (Cathars), a heretical sect of Christianity which believed in a benevolent Goddess of Wisdom, Sophia.

    The whole thing started at least as a very symbolic spiritual thing.

    I think it’s generally accepted that the classical Greeks and Romans had no concept of Romantic love – Nietzsche and Schopenhauer praised the ancients for not believing in such “silliness”.

    There is a theory that the over masculine and warlike OT inevitably spawned its opposite, the feminine aspect of Christianity. I believe Jung advocated this, that everything begets its opposite and results in a higher synthesis.

    For Jews, the OT cannot stand alone but can only be understood together with the Talmud, and the Talmud like Christianity introduces many softening effects. Rabbi Akiva is often seen as a Christ prototype.

    And it makes sense – the OT is sublime, but far too harsh and warlike to stand on its own as a sacred text. It absolutely needs to be diluted and ameliorated.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  511. @EldnahYm

    More likely explanation: Sweden put in enormous resources in promoting itself as the ideal country and back then Nordicism was the fashion with West European elites. Just like today except now it’s multiculturalism that’s in fashion so Sweden promotes itself as the most multicultural country.

    Small countries put a lot of effort into promoting themselves to German, British and American elites so at the height of Nordicism they made up studies that flexed the definition of blonde hair to the point where they could claim anything and prevalence of blondism was vastly exaggerated. That’s why you see those maps claiming 80 % blonde hair in small northern countries.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  512. @reiner Tor

    It’s a bit different since Russia is a continental power.

    But sure, if it were to commit to a big fleet program then you’d probably want carriers.

    And the experience of the Pacific War suggests you actually need at least 3-4 large carriers.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  513. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB

    Romantic Love developed in southern France among the Troubadours

    This is not so much romantic love – as a specific subset of romantic love: chivalric love.

    It’s the idea of crusade for an unattainable woman, and it’s characteristic of medieval world of mistresses of the castle.

    classical Greeks and Romans had no concept of Romantic love

    This is nonsense. Classical Athenian texts, such as those of Plato, have more concepts of romantic love, than modern texts. Romantic concepts in modern language like “other half”, are from Plato.

    You don’t know Symposium?

    the OT is sublime, but far too harsh and warlike to stand on its own as a sacred text.

    Old Testament is vastly more interesting, artistic and deep text, than Gospels (which is quite mediocre) – reading Gospels is like light reading you can do in the train (if you buy the continuous prose version of Gospels).

    But in Gospels, there is some clear instruction for how we should live (it’s really a religious work), which is simply from reading the different quotes of Jesus, where Old Testament is mostly historical/mythical epic, not so much different from Homer.

    Old Testament is a masterpiece of ancient literature, with parts like “Book of Job” being as high as Ancient Greek and Ancient Indian literature . But it is not providing very clear religious instruction.

    A lot of it would be like trying to use Homer, for your religious instruction. It would require some very strange and distant interpretative work – to turn story book into guide for religious life.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  514. Dmitry says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Yes I think Sweden are very good at marketing.

    In Russia, for example, I see apartment adverts where people write “it is in the Swedish style” (i.e. probably every thing is bought from IKEA).

    Or when my parents see that a product is “designed in Sweden” (like a fridge), they seem to think it means it is guaranteed to be stylish or high quality.

    I also believe that in American politics, they view Sweden as the “perfect harmonization of capitalist and socialist policies”.

  515. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry

    Very good point about the Symposium. Post 5th century Athens did develop a notion of Romantic love and its connection to spirituality – Nietzsche called Plato a precursor to Christianity.

    But yes, the specific medieval Western version of Romantic love, which has certain unusual features and elevates the status of women to absurd heights (which interestingly still has echoes today in PUA and Game mythology, with its theory that man must serve and win the favor of women), seems to have derived from Catharism in Southern France.

    Generally agree about the OT – it is really sublime poetry and literature, and the Gospels have a completely different feel and tone. The two practically belong to different genres and cannot be compared.

    But you overstate the case when you say the OT has no rules for living – it is full of very specific rules for life, ethical, ritual, and religious.

    The Gospels also give rather specific rules for living, and I think are an important counterbalance to the OT.

    In Judaism, the Talmud play a this softening role – something I never appreciated as a child, when I despised the Talmud and found the OT thrilling.

    • Replies: @Logan
  516. @AaronB

    Germany and Japan lost in WWII precisely for following your ideas.

    Of course I know where you are coming from. There are other people with similar ideas I’m aware of from certain NRx people in the West to Zhongjing Liu. Evolution does not select for truth-seeking, nor does it even select of absolute self-preservation and self-interest maximization. Instead it selects for something very odd from an individualistic POV, namely maximizing one’s interest and then giving them away to feed as many children as possible. I get it. Just look at Stockfish and Leela Chess Zero. They are both chess engines. SF is better at understanding the situation while Leela is better at winning the game despite sometimes having completely absurd (but harmless) understanding of the board. Leela evolved which is why it is irrational.

    I reject it. To me truth is even more precious than life. In this cruel universe humanity will eventually be extinct no matter what we do. However the STEM knowledge and philosophy we have especially the science, math and to a limited extant philosophy are species-independent and hence will be useful to AI, nearby aliens or any other intelligent entities in the future even after a billion years. You will never have a surviving blood line by then no matter how hard you try. However you can still make a difference through STEM and philosophy.

    What do I want in life? I want to speed up AI development so that the world will not fall into the hands of Negroids and their corruption, ever. If Negros are hellbent on destroying everything beautiful about the world I would rather hand it over to AI and robots than allowing Negros to destroy it. That’s it.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @AaronB
  517. Epigon says:
    @EastKekistani

    >Earth 2300 AD
    >Uruk-Americans, Antetokounmpo-Europeans and Black Uruks of Afrabia have conquered the entire world except East Asia
    >Led by LeMuhammad DeWindsorsteinberg
    >Only mecha-gooks still standing
    >AI augmented autism
    >still 0.98 TFR

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  518. BJP(Modi) won a landslide victory again.

    First time in FIFTY years that an incumbent government is returning with a majority in India.

    Just like Communist revolution took place in Russia the most backward of the major powers in Europe and not in more developed places in Europe like Germany as predicted (Not that I advocate communism and I understand that it happened in the backdrop of WW 1) among the major mature democratic powers the transition to a post leftist/liberal era seems to be taking place in India (by far the most sociologically backward of the major powers) before any of the much more advanced democracies.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  519. @Thorfinnsson

    Russia potentially has the longest coastline in the world, at least after the melting of the Arctic.

    As I argued, until they have more money, they should just keep the capability, or else it’d be very difficult to regain it.

  520. @Dmitry

    They wouldn’t be able to sell the phones then.

    You mean outside of China (and maybe Russia? maybe some other countries?), I guess. But they will be unable to sell them outside of China anyway, in the absence of the ARM technology.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  521. @Epigon

    If that happens we NE Asians will have to clean up the entire world for a Negro world is worse than even the end of the world.

    Anything and anyone corrupted by Negros (and dishonorary Negros) is an enemy of civilization and a stain in the universe. We need some hygiene.

  522. @Vishnugupta

    Based and saffronpilled. I am particularly pleased with Pragya Thakur’s crushing victory after all the smears she had to endure. Also, Smiti Irani winning over Raul Vinci in the Amethi constituency – which had been treated by the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty as their birthright – is the icing on the cake.

    Still, Modi has betrayed his base in important moments, such as when the Khan Market gang viciously attacked Pragya days before the elections ended and he caved under pressure by cowardly denouncing her. Another issue is the Ram Mandir situation. The BJP loves the status quo where they rev it up before every election but when decision time comes they just blame the courts and put it in the freezer until the next five years.

    Modi is just merely okay but I hope there is a palace coup and Yogi Adityanath replaces him by the 2024 election, given that he is far less of a whimp.
    The 2019 election shows that purely material election analysis is sterile and that ideology+identity is more powerful.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  523. melanf says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Genetically Greater Scandinavia = all of Western Europe before Finns are included. Only some Swedes show a bit of Finnish admixture, otherwise Scandinavians are totally distant.

    There is a lot of variation because genes are discrete things and you have different frequencies between different populations but there are some pretty obvious visible differences between people

    .

    Finns (as well as Karelians , Northern Russians, Komi, etc.) have some pretty obvious similarities with German-speaking Scandinavians

    • Replies: @Adam
    , @Mikhail
  524. @Thulean Friend

    You seem to be unusually well versed about the developments in India. How come?

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  525. @Epigon

    Rome was a heavy infantry meatgrinder. At first, it threw its citizen militia, self-funded youngest and poorest sons to wear the enemy down (hastati) and tire them, to be followed by experienced soldiers in the prime of their life who survived through hastati rank (principes). Ahead of hastati, the velites skirmishers were younger or even poorer young men.

    It was, in a way, an excellent metaphor for how the ancient Roman system worked as a whole with an incredible focus on collectivism(and casual cruelty). The three tier system was largely unheroic, mechanical and faceless – but it was effective. Both on a tactical and strategic level, Romans typically just outlasted their opposition.

    The Second Punic War was an excellent example – it didn’t matter how excellent of a general that Hannibal was. He could not afford losses, while the Romans could afford losing IIRC around ten percent of their male population, and then just raise out yet another army.

    • Agree: Epigon
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  526. Adam says:
    @melanf

    I’m far from an expert on this topic, but iirc the ancestors of Finns (who were of mixed Eurasian origin) mixed with northern Europeans before becoming isolated from them and forming a genetic bottleneck. That explains why they are, despite the occasional epicanthic fold, physically nearly the same as Scandinavians but genetically rather distinct.

    • Replies: @AP
  527. @Vishnugupta

    I make a conscious effort to read non-Western media and India has huge amounts of high quality content in an easily accessible language, so it’s a no-brainer really.

  528. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    OK, so you have a weird quasi religious agenda of the type that is proliferating in this age, and you want to perpetuate “life” (of which you see AI as a sub-category). And you think STEM knowledge is important in perpetuating this “life”, which you identify with. So in a broad way you are trying to perpetuate yourself.

    So great. You are not “starting” from a neutral and objective place and merely trying to find “truth” – you have an agenda you seek to vindicate. Hopefully, you accept the constraint of facts.

    This is the proper relationship between facts and motivation. Facts are constraints, boundaries – no one engages in a merely “disinterested pursuit of truth”. Science has never been done that way, and if it were, it would be sterile, because you are not starting from anywhere. You are nowhere.

    The question of honesty relates to how much one is willing to accept the constraint of facts. Reiner Tor, for instance, will reject any facts or larger perspectives which invalidate his particular pessimistic and decadent agenda. He will then insist that he is merely following truth where it leads.

    Of course, the irony is, that merely following the truth where it leads invalidates the insights of Evolution, which he claims to believe in, and which tells us that biological beings evolved to promote their survival and not pursue truth.

    Dude, do yourself a favor and get yourself a proper religion, not this weird self-sacrifice for the benefit of AI and aliens, who apparently stand in for God for you.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  529. anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Also, anyone who has spent time in Asia knows they very much want racial supremacy – it is an ugly fact, but true. They truly are not “benign” – its natural to hope they are, but it is seriously dangerous.

    I haven’t seen this. I’m familiar with China. Based on your time spent in Asia, which I guess includes China, where did you see the desire for racial supremacy?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  530. Why does this seem to happen so much in China?

    Viral on Chinese social media: boyfriend getting slapped 52 times by girlfriend in public. Grandmas in the background “Somebody called the police!” When police arrived he prevented police from taking her into custody saying he deserved it… pic.twitter.com/vquTL8NyZl— Carl Zha (@CarlZha) May 23, 2019

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @EastKekistani
  531. Mikhail says: • Website
    @melanf

    Finland and Sweden are playing right now in an IIHF world championship quarterfinal.

  532. @Kent Nationalist

    Too few girls relative to boys. Guys who finally find a girlfriend are desperate not to lose her.

    • Replies: @melanf
    , @Kent Nationalist
  533. melanf says:
    @reiner Tor

    Too few girls relative to boys. Guys who finally find a girlfriend are desperate not to lose her.

    These guys need to emigrate to Russia. Here the situation is reversed.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  534. @melanf

    Here the situation is reversed.

    Why, because Russian men drink themselves to death?
    I thought that issue had greatly improved, especially among the younger generations who didn’t have to suffer through the Soviet breakup. Or is there some other reason for gender imbalances among the young?

    • Replies: @melanf
  535. @Kent Nationalist

    Welcome to a society where men obey both their mothers and their wifeys.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  536. @reiner Tor

    Why aren’t Chinese men putting that 105 IQ to use, working out that if you want to keep a girl you should randomly act distantly and stop responding to her messages?

  537. @EastKekistani

    Italian men (meds generally) obey their mothers, yet you don’t see them being slapped around by their gfs in the street.

  538. @Daniel Chieh

    He could not afford losses, while the Romans could afford losing IIRC around ten percent of their male population, and then just raise out yet another army.

    The problem was supplying his army because it was operating in Italy and the Carthaginians did not have naval control. His brother was able to raise another army. The Numidians had plenty of men left when Scipio arrived. There is no reason to think that the pool of Gallic and Spanish mercenaries was a limiting factor.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  539. @anonymous

    My best guess is that he’s deriving it off the casual arrogance that’s part of the Chinese culture: for example, the tendency to refer to things as “neiguo” if they are Chinese, no matter where it is spoken or who speaks it. “Neiguo” means “within the country” of course, so the implication is that there is only one country, which is China, and everything else is wildness. An extension of this is the tendency to call people “waiguoren” for not being Chinese. There’s definitely some historical precedent for this, with “yemanren” often used in the past for “barbarians” outside of China.

    I disagree that it is racial as China attempted various efforts to assimilate populations, often brutally, for example active Ming destruction of Vietnamese culture following conquest in order to impose Confucian virtues.

    “I have repeatedly told you all to burnt all Annamese books, including folklore and children books and the local stelas should be destroyed immediately upon sight. Recently I heard our soldiers hesitated and read those books before burning them. Most soldiers do not know how to read, if this policy is adapted widely, it will be a waste of our time. Now you have to strictly obey my previous command, and burnt all local books upon sight, without hesitation.”

    For this reason almost no vernacular chữ nôm texts survive from before the Ming invasion. Various ancient sites such as pagoda Bao Minh were looted and destroyed. The Ming dynasty applied various Sinicization policies to spread more Chinese culture in the occupied nation.

    Something else also repeated: concentrated efforts to destroy culture, but not physically genocide populations. I doubt there’s much racial supremacy, but the cultural arrogance is definitely present in some form.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @songbird
  540. @Kent Nationalist

    Carthage actually was able to send him some supplies but the nation never seriously was engaged in the war in the way that Rome was; most of his help was from his family.

    He, like his father before him, was constantly asking Carthage for help in winning their war for them and, just as they had with Hamilcar Barca, Carthage refused. Rome, at this time, was weak and, further, was paralyzed with terror after their defeat at Cannae. Had Carthage acted on Hannibal’s requests, the Second Punic War could have ended with a Carthaginian victory over Rome. Instead, they sent only as much aid as would not inconvenience them and Hannibal had no choice but to fight those battles which he felt he could win…Although a brilliant strategist and general, Hannibal was finally defeated, not on the field, but by the government whose interests he had fought for.

    Unmentioned in the article was that part of the issue was because the Barca family was seen as being too powerful, so there were major internal rivalries in the Carthagian senate. It all seems almost hilariously pitiful in contrast to Rome, which just kept raising more soldiers no matter how much they lost.

    In the end, as Pyrrhus observed:

    The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one other such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war

  541. AaronB says:

    Reiner Tor would have patiently explained to the Romans that they were being illogically obscurantist in thinking they could win after so many crushing defeats, and they were foolishly pursuing unattainable goals in trying to resist the superior Carthaginians.

    He would explain that Carthaginian battle victories were the result of superior genetics and higher IQ, and that we will soon be able to locate the genes for this, and the Romans should desist in their foolish resistance.

    • Troll: Thorfinnsson
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Daniel Chieh
  542. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    And then Steve Sailer would beg the Carthaginians to kindly favor the inferior Romans with at least some high positions, if they could spare them, because after all they are both Mediteranean people and noblesse oblige demands it.

    Meanwhile, Vox Day would be actively advocating for the Carthaginians to win, because the Romans don’t condemn homosexuality.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  543. @AaronB

    because the Romans don’t condemn homosexuality.

    Carthaginians sacrificed children though.
    Anyway, don’t you ever get tired of trolling?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Matra
  544. melanf says:
    @German_reader

    According to statistics, the number of boys and girls in Russia is the same. But
    1) some of the guys isolated in the army, cadet corps, etc.
    2) girls don’t want to deal with Gopniks, and this creates an increased demand for non-Gopniks.

    Due to these factors the relationship of guys and girls look like _____________________________________________________________________________________

    • Replies: @German_reader
  545. @AaronB

    Ridiculous.

    Rome had defeated Carthage before. It was Hannibal that they feared, and there was indeed a strain of terrible admiration approaching worship for him.

    The works of Roman writers such as Livy (64 or 59 BC – AD 12 or 17), Frontinus (c. 40 – 103 AD), and Juvenal (1st to 2nd century AD) show a grudging admiration for Hannibal. The Romans even built statues of the Carthaginian in the very streets of Rome to advertise their defeat of such a worthy adversary.

    At any rate, the position of many of the coerced vassals in Italy under Rome may indeed had been improved by a Carthagian victory; a corrupt merchantile empire would likely be unable to enforce the same measures. There would be nothing senseless if they wished for Hannibal’s victory for Rome.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  546. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Don’t be the Humorless German.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  547. @melanf

    Army service is only temporary however…gopniks are underclass thugs? Aren’t many women supposed to like that sort of lifestyle in men?
    Doesn’t sound as grave in any case as the situation in China.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @melanf
  548. @AaronB

    But you’re telling the same “joke” over and over. Maybe you should expand your repertoire somewhat.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  549. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    At any rate, the position of many of the coerced vassals in Italy under Rome may indeed had been improved by a Carthagian victory; a corrupt merchantile empire would likely be unable to enforce the same measures. There would be nothing senseless if they wished for Hannibal’s victory for Rome.

    I don’t know. Inner rivalries can be fierce, but you’re supposed to unite against the foreign enemy.

    You’re not, in theory, supposed to join the other side just because you’re not entirely happy with how you’re treated in the confederation. You’re supposed to prefer the oppression of your own kind over the oppression of the foreigner.

    Even Athens and Sparta managed a common front against Persia. In general, when internal rivalry become a so fierce that a common front to an external threat can no longer be presented, is when a civilization gets conquered.

  550. @German_reader

    A lot of women like thugs, but the underclass isn’t attractive to anyone.

  551. @AaronB

    After the failure of Cyrus, Persia tried to regain control of the Ionian city-states, which had rebelled during the conflict. The Ionians refused to capitulate and called upon Sparta for assistance, which she provided, in 396–395 BC. Athens, however, sided with the Persians, which led in turn to another large-scale conflict in Greece, the Corinthian War. Towards the end of that conflict, in 387 BC, Sparta sought the aid of Persia to shore up her position. Under the so-called “King’s Peace” that brought the war to an end, Artaxerxes II demanded and received the return of the cities of Asia Minor from the Spartans, in return for which the Persians threatened to make war on any Greek state that did not make peace. This humiliating treaty, which undid all the Greek gains of the previous century, sacrificed the Greeks of Asia Minor so that the Spartans could maintain their hegemony over Greece.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  552. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    Huawei can use all the stuff they already bought. As far as I can see, the problem is just in the future, they might have to buy chips from someone else when they develop their next generation of phones.

    I know personally a few people who are working at ARM, but they’re software engineers there. I’m not expert, but I would guess it’s quite a diverse company (ARM) and they will have so many businesses that it won’t be such a life-threatening effect on their business.

  553. @AaronB

    You’re supposed to prefer the oppression of your own kind over the oppression of the foreigner.

    As has been already explained to you by reiner tor, Hyperborean and Spisarevski, it’s far from clear to European nationalists why we should regard the people running America as “our own kind”.
    American elites are increasingly multiethnic anyway…and most American right-wingers seem to welcome that fact, regarding it as evidence for the superiority and attractiveness of the American way of life or whatever.
    There’s also the Jewish issue…it’s pretty clear that a substantial proportion of America’s Jewish population harbours extreme resentments against many European nations.
    And tbh, even a non-trivial part of America’s white gentile population is pretty alien from a European perspective…I certainly don’t feel much sympathy for those retarded evangelicals with their fixation on Old Testament verses, right out of the 17th century…such people fortunately don’t exist in large numbers in Europe anymore.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  554. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Although I stand by all the points I’ve made, for me this is all just a bit of fun. I don’t really take this place seriously.

    But if you and others like Thorfinnson are starting to get genuinely upset, I have no problem easing off.

  555. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Well, yes, and shortly after that Rome stepped in and ended Greek independence forever. It was the end of independent Greek civilization. Internal rivalry led to demise.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  556. @AaronB

    But if you and others like Thorfinnson are starting to get genuinely upset

    I’m not upset at all, but what’s the point in writing the same comment over and over as you do? It seems like a massive waste of time, both for you and for those responding to you…I don’t get the impression that you’re really interested in discussion, since you keep misrepresenting the views of your interlocutors.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  557. Dmitry says:

    According to YouTube, Modi has won an election in India (to its second term). .

    It would cool a forum topic on this – as well as Zelensky trying to dissolve parliament, and whatever happens in Moldova now.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  558. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    It is possible that internal rivalry in the West is too great to unite against a foreign civilization. But it’s also worth pointing out that this is the stage that precedes the demise of that civilization.

    It may be we are at that stage. I have made clear that in my view attitudes here are consistent with late stage decadence.

    What is important, in my view, is to characterize what is happening accurately. But you can’t “argue” oneself out of decadence. Whatever its causes, they go deep.

    Hyperborean was quite honest when he said he cannot recover from his deracination – he admits he is a decadent. I greatly appreciated that about him.

    You too, I think, pretty much admit you are a pessimistic nihilist.

    If Tor admitted his version of HBD is consistent with limited defensive aims, and is not consistent with a return to European greatness, there need be no argument. The pretense of “objectivity” is what us absurd.

    Lets just characterize what is going on accurately, that’s all.

    Its not “bad” to be a decadent, like it’s not bad to have cancer. But one must be honest about ones condition.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  559. @AaronB

    The Magyar Miracle can handle himself. I used the “troll” button because you keep misrepresenting people’s positions.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  560. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    I guess I enjoy thoroughly getting to the bottom of an issue and examining it from all angles.

    But I sometimes forget my high spirited style can be a strain for others.

    So it seems its time to back off a bit.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  561. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    That’s a judgement call, though.

  562. @AaronB

    Well, yes, and shortly after that Rome stepped in and ended Greek independence forever. It was the end of independent Greek civilization. Internal rivalry led to demise.

    But Greek culture and the status of Greek people survived (perhaps even expanded with the Romans? I don’t know so much about Hellenisation in the East) so I don’t really see the tragedy here.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  563. @AaronB

    It is possible that internal rivalry in the West is too great to unite against a foreign civilization. But it’s also worth pointing out that this is the stage that precedes the demise of that civilization.

    You still haven’t explained why European nationalists shouldn’t consider the rapidly diversifying and ideologically hostile (both from the perspective of the new arrivals and many of the legacy population) America a foreign civilisation.

    Instead, you appeal to ‘the West’ and skirt around the question.

    It also seems a bit ironic that you chide the lack of ‘unity’ for not appreciating being America’s vassal at a time when European (soft-)nationalists finally seem to be able to cooperate with each other half-way decently.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @AaronB
  564. @AaronB

    I guess I enjoy thoroughly getting to the bottom of an issue and examining it from all angles.

    But you are merely examining a few angles again and again.

  565. By the way, the Roman-Greek issue is interesting, given how they are often put together. Why should the Greeks (Europeans) give into the Romans (Americans)? Aren’t you contradicting yourself?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  566. AP says:
    @Adam

    There is a distinct Scandinavian type and a distinct Finnic type, despite both being usually blonde blue-eyed peoples.

    A discussion here:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26688-Appearance-of-Finns-versus-other-Scandinavians

    • Replies: @AP
    , @melanf
  567. @Hyperborean

    It is possible that internal rivalry in the West is too great to unite against a foreign civilization. But it’s also worth pointing out that this is the stage that precedes the demise of that civilization.

    So according to this perspective, conquered Chinese, Koreans and Central Asians should have supported the Mongol Empire due to racial solidarity?

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  568. Since many of you are Europeans, this Norwegian fish oil manufacturer is highly recommended: https://www.npure-3.com

    Disclaimer: I have not used it myself, but people I respect do.

    I personally am a Green Pasture customer: https://www.greenpasture.org/public/Home/index.cfm

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  569. @Daniel Chieh

    What is “neiguo”? It’s “guonei” (国内).

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  570. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Wasn’t the recent news that fish oil is not very important in diet?

    However, sunshine is now believed to be very healthy

    Is Sunscreen the New Margarine?

    Current guidelines for sun exposure are unhealthy and unscientific, controversial new research suggests—and quite possibly even racist.

    Yet vitamin D supplementation has failed spectacularly in clinical trials. Five years ago, researchers were already warning that it showed zero benefit, and the evidence has only grown stronger. In November, one of the largest and most rigorous trials of the vitamin ever conducted—in which 25,871 participants received high doses for five years—found no impact on cancer, heart disease, or stroke.

    How did we get it so wrong? How could people with low vitamin D levels clearly suffer higher rates of so many diseases and yet not be helped by supplementation?

    As it turns out, a rogue band of researchers has had an explanation all along. And if they’re right, it means that once again we have been epically misled.

    These rebels argue that what made the people with high vitamin D levels so healthy was not the vitamin itself. That was just a marker. Their vitamin D levels were high because they were getting plenty of exposure to the thing that was really responsible for their good health—that big orange ball shining down from above.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science

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  571. @Dmitry

    Fish oil is not important if your diet is very low in industrial seed oils. Unfortunately that is not the case for many people these days.

    And even for people who do not consume large amounts of PUFAs there appear to be many benefits. Here’s an example from some recent research: https://www.spandidos-publications.com/or/39/1/239

    ω3-polyunsaturated fatty acids induce cell death through apoptosis and autophagy in glioblastoma cells

    Do not over-supplement with fish oil as ω3 fatty acids decrease blood platelet activity. This is surely why ω3 supplementation is effective against blood clots and atherosclerosis, but that also means more bleeding.

    And yes, the sun is great. The body conveniently regulates the appropriate dosage for you automatically as well.

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  572. @EastKekistani

    I’ve heard the other way quite a bit myself.

  573. @AaronB

    OK, so you have a weird quasi religious agenda of the type that is proliferating in this age, and you want to perpetuate “life” (of which you see AI as a sub-category). And you think STEM knowledge is important in perpetuating this “life”, which you identify with. So in a broad way you are trying to perpetuate yourself.

    This is from Eliezer Yudkowsky & Robin Hanson et al. Are you familiar with them?

    Dude, do yourself a favor and get yourself a proper religion, not this weird self-sacrifice for the benefit of AI and aliens, who apparently stand in for God for you.

    Why?

    Also my stance is compatible with Social Darwinism. The universe is harsh & amoral and the strong often eliminates the weak for trivial reasons. Humans evolved from apes. We are evolving into transhumans. From having no life at all to unicellular organisms to simple multicellular organisms to complex multicellular organisms to humans knowledge increased over time. The next stage is AI and transhumanism. Negroidism needs to be combatted because it is a reversal of the process. We evolved from non-primates, apes, great apes, early humans and Negroids. Reverting to Negroids is primitivism and downgrading. On the other hand evolving into transhumans is upgrading. In one direction there are AI and transhumanism. In the opposite direction stands Negroids. I picked the right one.

    There is also a racial angle here. SEAs stand between NE Asian people and Negroids. My ancestors evolved from and was upgraded from them. This is why we need to make sure that we don’t devolve into them.

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  574. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I can never figure out the historical Vietnam vs. China dynamic.

    On the one hand, it seems like there were always a lot of Chinese moving to Vietnam. But, on the other, sometimes, it seems as though they were massacred or expelled by the Vietnamese. But as an amateur ethnologist, I’ve always thought that Vietnamese seem more Chinese than other SE Asians, as though the Chinese partly ethnically transformed them, but not all the way.

    Then there is even the evidence of the Vietnamese having only recently expanded to their borders. It is a narrow country – where else could they have come from, but from some admixture with the Chinese? The geography seems to also hint at this, no real barrier to China but mountains on the borders with SE Asia.

    Perhaps, they were half-Chinese when they were evicting the Chinese. But I guess there is also culture.

  575. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Why? I just think your religion is less satisfying than traditional religions. Why have a feeble imitation when you can have the real thing?

    You are obviously an intensely religious person who is too timid to think outside the box of modernity, so tries to fashion a religion, a sense of purpose and meaning, out of modern concepts like Evolution.

    That this is logically contradictory has often been noted and is too obvious to mention – and is also completely beside the point.

    Religion is about connecting to the mysterious higher power that all of us sense exists – if some people want to use Evolution as a symbol for this power, it doesn’t matter that strictly speaking, it is illogical to try and turn a random process into a conscious telos that one can serve, like one serves God.

    Or that one finds values in a random process that has to dispense with the vocabulary of values to make sense at all – whose novelty, indeed, lay in eliminating telos and values from consideration.

    It is the fate of all theories to gradually develop into their opposites. Christianity ended up justifying war. Buddhism ended up developing into a theistic religion of God (Pure Land, the most popular Buddhist denomination). Free speech is now used to justify censorship. Social justice is used to oppress people. And opposition to racism is now official racism against whites. The list is endless.

    So it is probably inevitable that Evolution, specifically designed to exclude telos and values, is gradually coming to stand for telos and values.

    So I do not object to it on the grounds that its illogical and contradictory – men always press into the service of their psychic needs the peculiar vocabulary of their times. The needs remain the same – the vocabulary changes.

    What I find problematic in your religion is that your vocabulary limits your understanding of the attributes of God, and so provides an incomplete religious experience and a partial reflection of the human experience – God is all powerful and stern, but also compassionate and kind, the world is cruel and harsh, but also merciful and compassionate. Evolution as God is a partial God.

    Your religion is incomplete and partial compared to traditional ones worked out over centuries in fidelity to the fullness of human experience and in interaction with this mysterious God who we do not fully understand.

    And aliens, who are your stand ins for angels and demons and magical creatures, are similarly not as potent mythical symbols.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  576. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    Simple. Because the core of America is still racially similar to you, including its elites, and it is from the same civilization.

    A humiliation of America by the Chinese would be a humiliation for white people and Western civilization, and would be seen that way around the world. The status of white people would drop dramatically all over the globe.

    When Japan emerged as a serious peer competitor to the West, all Asians rejoiced, as far away as India, and felt their own status rise. Especially after they defeated the Russians. That is quite natural. Yet India or Burma and Cambodia are more different from Japan racially than Europe is from America.

    That there are deep rifts is true, and there may come a time when America’s character is so altered that it no longer has any racial or cultural connection to Europe. That time is not yet, and if it arrives, it should be lamented and mourned, not gleefully welcomed as Vox Day does.

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  577. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    The Greeks and Romans may fight among themselves, but they should unite against the Parthians and the Medes and the Scythians.

    This is only after the two people’s melded, not before, when they were simply enemies.

  578. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    Against the West, yes.

    And then return to settling their brotherly rivalries.

  579. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    Fair point.

    I can see a future where a Western European and American white diaspora resettle in China and form an intellectual elite there like the Greeks did in Rome, and culturally fertilize and fuse with Chinese traditions like the Greeks did in Rome, altering the character of China permanently, as Europe and America cease to be Western.

    While fascinating to contemplate, that you do not see this as tragic is because you are deracinated. Still, though, I admit it isn’t the worst thing one could imagine.

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  580. @AaronB

    I think “Asian” is simply a completely made up group that can not be considered a race or a culture. You are indeed right on your observation about what people in Asia felt after Japan achieved high status. That’s just freeloading in the same sense that non-NW European whites freeload off of achievements of NW Europeans. In particular Balkans folks were smart enough to be able to portray themselves as whites while MENA people mostly don’t. Again that’s simply because they want to lead civilization again and don’t play the “we are also Caucasian” card which I think they should have played.

    At least I’m not a freeloader and don’t belong to a freeloading tribe. We are doing the hard work like NW Europeans. It is hard but also very profitable so it’s worth it. What I really hate is SEAs claiming to be “muh Asian and shiet”. They are freeloaders. Moreover they in fact harm our good reputation due to their high crime rates, low income and awful cities. I don’t want them to be considered related to us for the same reason why most white people don’t consider Arabs white. If you guys can ditch poorer and culturally alien Caucasians we can do the same to poorer and culturally alien Mongoloids.

  581. @AaronB

    I do believe that the world is harmed by revealing too many anti-social truths. Ethnic groups are fluid and myth-based while race is truth-based.

    That’s why I think racial enmity is likely to be even deadlier than ethnic enmity in the long run. There is no more passing and multiple races have high/medium IQ and WMDs so things may become truly frightening. My proposed solution is to develop a new subspecies / species identity for all non-groids maybe under the name Eurasians or colloquially “Africa-Ditchers”. Africa-Ditchers need to agree not to use (increasingly sophisticated) WMD on each other, to take care of pan-human concerns such as existential threats together and to coordinate our stances on any groid-related issues. If groids are considered several subspecies / species then they can no longer play the racism card any more. Instead they will have to claim that there is severe subspeciesism/speciesism in the world. As long as subspeciesism/speciesis and racism, subspecies relations / species relations and race relations are considered separate issues we can treat the former and the latter in the pairs separately. Then we will have moral justification to treat groid-related issues different from groid-unrelated issues. Australoids will still be a resource sink but they are not populous enough to be a problem. In the worst case we can still afford to feed all Papuans and abos well. As a part of Ditcher subspecies/species-level cooperation let’s do it for it isn’t that costly anyway and it shows that we are morally commited to the subspecies/species-level identity.

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    , @AaronB
  582. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    Your desire for a more harmonious and peaceful world shows that anti-social realities are not the sole “truths”.

    I think your philosophy has not been fully worked through.

    Your epistemology also has not been fully worked out – if reality was so grim, we couldn’t know this for certain. Our minds don’t give us access to “true” reality, but only reality as filtered by our senses and minds, which produce contradictory data (look up the philosophy Kant).

    Any statement about the ultimate character of reality cannot be a product of knowledge, only faith.

    And intuition.

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  583. @AaronB

    That will actually be great because then we will be able to officially proclaim that Western-Sinic tradition actually exists in the same sense that Turco-Mongol tradition actually exists. In fact a lot of trad cultures are based on similar ideas. Both Japan and the West are good examples.

    After all Western-NE Asian culture already exists and one good example is the modern infrastructure all over NE Asia. All of them are originally of white origins. However we developed them to another level. Same for our pianists who love Western classical music and play it well. They are legitimate successors of older white pianists just like contemporary white pianists. This culture just needs to be repackaged as a tradition so that even the ultranats and trads are comfortable with it. Then we can freely use everything from ancient Greece, Rome, medieval & modern Europe & Anglo states while claiming that they are a part of our cultural heritage too. Hmm of course ancient & medieval Middle East and India will also be added. After all we have Buddhism which is from South Asia and is probably of Aryan origins. Isn’t it a part of trad NE Asian culture now? Just add more.

  584. AaronB says:
    @EastKekistani

    I agree with you that South East Asians should not be grouped together with East Asians – and that it is seriously misleading to do so.

    You cannot blame the SEAs for sucking up and attempting to glom on though. Thais worship Japan in a sad way, but I cannot imagine two people’s more different in character.

    Maybe you should take SEAs under your brotherly wing and help them raise themselves.

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  585. I will respond more at some later point, but I have to say your appeal to racial loyalty appears to be somewhat peculiar given your previous advocacy what seemed to be European countries adopting American-style miscegenation and merging.

  586. @AaronB

    Right. I do need to work on my philosophy.

    P.S. Racial peace is possible. On the other hand subspecies/species peace is impossible. Again that’s because of the outlying groid subspecies/species such as Bantus, Khoisans and Bushmen. We should strive to achieve racial peace mostly based on some form of separate but equal / good fence makes good neighbor doctrine with some changes when SEAs, Pacific Islanders, mestizos and Australoids are involved.

  587. @AaronB

    When you guys take MENA folks under your brotherly wing, yes.

    Well, no matter how bad SEA behaviors can be at least they never try to invert everyone else’s values like groids.

    On the other hand groids are just too distant from the rest of humanity hence whenever they are involved they simply tend to negate and invert all Ditcher values and make constructive discussions completely impossible which is very harmful. This provides yet another reason why we need to properly label them as a few subspecies or species instead of a race, namely they need to be stopped from ruining any attempt to establish race-independent and culture-independent standards. Ideally we need pan-human standards. Since groids are too good at ruining them we need pan-Ditcher ones so that at least we have something.

  588. @AaronB

    Well, I don’t think mercy and compassion are even natural in this universe at all. There is only struggle for everything. Some organisms occasionally get deluded by other organisms or even evolution itself which is why they are occasionally merciful and compassionate. That’s it.

    Benevolence is an entirely artificial human concept. Of course it rocks. However it currently only stands due to delusion and enforcement. To actually make at least a part of the universe benevolent humans need a lot more power than we do now. The universe does not look like one with any built-in benevolence or morality. These are man-made and dependent on continued surveillance.

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  589. melanf says:
    @AP

    There is a distinct Scandinavian type and a distinct Finnic type, despite both being usually blonde blue-eyed peoples.

    There are no such anthropological types. “Scandinavian” type (nordid) is quite common among Finnish ethnic groups (in some populations almost 100%), and it is not the result of mixing with the Germans-Scandinavians (because “Scandinavian” type is common among the Komi and Russian Karelians who never mixed with the Germans). At the same time among the Swedes and Norwegians meet quite “Finnish” antropotype. Differences between Finns and German-speaking Scandinavians can be seen only in the mass sample. Here, try without of Google to sort the pictures according to ethnic groups:

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  590. @AaronB

    You make a simple statement – China has more people, and higher IQ, so it will dominate. A child can make this statement.

    A child can, perhaps, but I didn’t.

    You are clearly not interested in what I write, so a discussion with you is pointless. You like debating straw men, but that you can do without my involvement.

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  591. @AaronB

    Evolution could only have made you passionate about survival, not truth

    Even that statement of yours is untrue, as is obvious. Evolution can shape you more passionate about something other than survival, for example dogs might be more passionate about their owners than about their own survival, because dogs which were more passionate about themselves were less likely to be allowed to pass on their genes. Human societies across the globe valued honesty and punished lying. So at least in theory it’s possible for someone to be more passionate about truth than about survival, depending on how strict the punishments for dishonesty were. Also, there’s that bell curve of being passionate about truth, where the majority might be lukewarm, but some would be really passionate about truth – since both tails of the bell curve get selected against, the position of the curve doesn’t c