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Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks story, with some plausible speculation that if the story gets sufficient traction in Europe, the result might be the collapse of NATO. I’ve published a couple of columns and a few of Hersh’s interviews are starting to get some attention

https://www.unz.com/runz/standing-upright-amid-a-sea-of-lies/

https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/

 
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  1. QCIC says:

    I’m not religious, but I just said a prayer in hope the killing will stop.

    • Agree: Sher Singh, Petermx
    • Replies: @meamjojo
  2. A123 says: • Website

    Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks

    Even more MSM deceptive silencing. There is a total blackout of the MOST plausible scenario… An industrial accident.

    There are three critical, objective facts that must be explained in any credible offering:

        -1- Why were only 3 of 4 pipes hit?
        -2- Why did the events extend over 17 hours?
        -3- Why were the ruptures 50 miles apart?

    Impossible maintenance plus operator error remains the overwhelmingly obvious explanation. This is well explained here: (1) (2). Read the full articles.

    The idea of an attack on the NS pipes is lobotomite level stupidity. Can anyone show objective, physical evidence recovered from the sea floor. Nope. Case Closed.

    • Do violent NeoConDemocrat Warmongers, like Mr. Unz (?), want war? Therefore, they ruthlessly promote war scenarios, while suppressing accurate coverage of plausible accidents.

    • Those of us who support the MAGA peace party refuse to be seduced by Mr. Unz calls to conflict.

    Peace or Unz? I choose Peace!

    If you choose Unz war. That is about you.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

    (2) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  3. QCIC says:

    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the “high trust” world.

  4. Beckow says:
    @QCIC

    …part of the “high trust” world

    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in…

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can’t play with them, or a pure schadenfreude – a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up…they just couldn’t allow it even if it also destroys them.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Ron Unz
    , @sudden death
  5. china-russia-all-the-way says:

    Progress on natural gas pipelines between Russia and China. https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/russia-to-invest-almost-100bn-in-gas-pipelines-to-china/

    Power of Siberia 2 will be built through Mongolia.

    He added that Russian supplies to China through the 3,968km Power of Siberia 1 had increased 48% in 2022, reaching a record of 15.4 billion cubic metres (bcm) over the year.

    Russian state energy company Gazprom hopes to start delivering up to 50 bcm of gas using the 2,600km Siberia 2 line by 2030.

    A Far Eastern extension of Power of Siberia 1 will also be constructed to the Sakhalin islands. Sometimes referred to as Power of Siberia 3.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @sudden death
  6. @china-russia-all-the-way

    Meanwhile China is signing 30 years duration giant LNG contracts with Qatar, while RF is not getting any commitments of such type in advance.

    IIRC, Gazprom pipeline exports into Europe were nearly 170 bcm before Covid, so “record” of 15 bcm and plans of 50 bcm in 2030 into China are truly breathtakingly impressive in comparison;)

  7. @sudden death

    However, thanx to china-russia-all-the-way for the link, lots of interesting info there, e.g. it looks like mass house 3D printing is becoming practical reality atm, masonry and masons might become endangered species in the future:

    A joint venture of cement giant Holcim and British International Investment, called 14Trees, has printed 10 houses for sale in Kenya.

    It’s the biggest complete printed development in the world, said Denmark-headquartered printer maker Cobod, which made the printer used by 14Trees.

    14Trees printed the houses at an average rate of one a week in 10 weeks between October 2022 and January 2023. In the fastest instance, it printed a house in 18 hours.

    Six of the houses are 76 sq m in area, with three bedrooms. Four have two bedrooms and 56 sq m of space.

    Prices for the smaller homes start at $28,680. The bigger ones start at just over $39,000, according to the 14Trees website.

    https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/developer-sets-record-with-10-houses-printed-in-kenya/

    • Replies: @Radicalcenter
  8. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC

    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    I will look around for a list, but I am not sure anyone has gone to the effort to compile one in that exact format. However, 30 seconds with a search engine found this article. Sorry, it is a Guardian piece: (1)

    Survivors of the BP rig explosion told interviewers that right before the April 20 blast, workers had decreased the pressure in the drill column and applied heat to set the cement seal around the wellhead. Then a quickly expanding bubble of methane gas shot up the drill column before exploding on the platform on the ocean’s surface.

    Even a solid steel pipe has little chance against a 164-fold expansion of volume — something that would render a man six feet six inches tall suddenly the height of the Eiffel Tower.

    Number One Deepwater Drilling Issue

    SolveClimate contacted scientists at the Colorado School of Mines, Center for Hydrate Research, who focus on the fundamental science and engineering of methane hydrates to gain further insight. They did not want to speculate on the role that methane hydrates could have played in the BP disaster, but they were willing to provide a basic understanding of the nature and behavior of these familiar but little understood substances.

    “Gas hydrates are the number one flow assurance issue in deepwater drilling,” Carolyn Koh, an associate professor and co-director of the Hydrate Center, told us in an exclusive interview.

    Did Deepwater methane hydrates cause the BP Gulf explosion?
    Strange and dangerous hydrocarbon offers no room for human error

    The fact that hydrates are a specific area of study at one of the best engineering schools in the country is a strong indicator that this is a serious issue. Hydrate plug mistakes are at best costly and at worst lethal.

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the “high trust” world.

    Can you list modern pipelines where similar sabotage/attacks have occurred?

    Which, in your estimation, causes more hydrocarbon industry incidents — Sabotage? Industrial accidents?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/may/20/deepwater-methane-hydrates-bp-gulf

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
  9. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…

    I concur.

    European Elites, such as the German Green Party, both benefit from technology and simultaneously try to destroy it.

    The largest problems in Europe, including energy & migration, are 100% caused by European leadership.

    PEACE 😇

  10. I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.

    He’s developed this wonderful concept that writing is a kind of literally magic, literally a spell and incantation 🙂

    My first axiom is that all poetry is incantation; my second axiom is that all prose is conjuration….the purpose of verse…..is to affect some sort of alteration in our reality, even if only in the mind of the reader, in a manner that’s equivalent to how a magical spell is intended to have a spiritual consequence….

    I like it much! 🙂

    It’s funny, over on Sailers blog, it’s a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of “utility”, thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power. This is, in that world, “masculine”, tough, adult. Fiction is for women and the follies of youth, over there.

    And yet all this indicates, is that their minds have become so entirely captive to a particular magic spell, the magic incantation cast by the written works that developed the modern world view, that they can no longer even contemplate breaking it’s hold 🙂

    I do feel, strangely, when I speak to a committed modernist, that they are ensorcelled – they are under some magic spell. Logic doesn’t work, rationality doesn’t work, in breaking it’s hold – perhaps only a stronger incantation, a stronger white magic, would work – if it could break through that hardened defensive ring that is part of the original spell.

    And yet that strong white magic is already there – in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative, which is practically the great literary tradition of every country.

    He has a chapter “Prayer is Poetry” that sounds fascinating and want to read – I never thought of it that way before, but it’s obvious. And a monk is lived poetry.

    Here is the delightful Ed Simon again –

    Literature—it must be affirmed, admitted, understood, experienced—is fundamentally spooky….. But literature is spooky, for the mere uttering of words affects the world. And not just that, but literature with all of its mimesis and exposition is able to create entirely new worlds. Literature preserves characters and voices that seem as real to us as our own families, there are histories and narratives that seem as tangible as our own lives, there are lines of poetry that read as if they were spells. Undeniably, uncannily, unnervingly, deeply, wierd.

    [MORE]

    And here is a nice little gem from DBH on Simon –

    All truly perceptive writers and readers of literature know that they are engaged in something uncanny—call it magic, sacrament, theurgy, communion with things unseen, or what have you—and that to enter into the depths of language is to practice conjuration and enchantment, or to be possessed and addressed by divine powers

  11. AP says:

    Beckow’s leader?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @War Observer
    , @Mr. Hack
  12. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    It’s funny, over on Sailers blog, it’s a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of “utility”, thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power.

    Wow, interesting insight. Except baseless and pointless and dumb. But other than that….

  13. Neverending ruthless assaults continued in the course of war on christianity:

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Wokechoke
  14. Iraqi Information Minister reviews
    A New Science of Heaven
    Robert Temple
    Hodder & Stoughton 2021
    400 pages

    A remarkable work by a remarkable man and I encourage all to read it. If you are a physicist or an astrophysicist or an astronomer who has a paid gig doing plasmas the probability that you will hate this book is .99 unless you control yourself and read no more than 8 or 9 pages at a time.

    Temple is a shameless name dropper. Paul Dirac, David Bohm, Rupert Sheldrake are the shiniest celebrity intellectuals he claims as friends. I lost count of the number of top tier people he hangs with.

    The book is a mix of hard science facts which are important and not well known, sound theorizing and speculation around these facts, and then subsequent skating out onto thin ice further to no ice and drug addled nonsense. It would have been a much better book (not that it is a bad book) if he had taken pains to distinguish which was which, but alas he does not do this enough. I am suspicious that he didn’t really see these differences himself.

    Let’s start with the important facts.

    Recently discovered Kordylewski clouds cosmic dust sitting at the L4 and L4 Lagrange points in the earth moon system. Claimed to exist by Polish astronomer Kordylewski 50 years ago but observed and accepted only in 2018. Temple also starts with this as it is Chapter one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kordylewski_cloud

    The cosmology that is taught and accepted at Harvard and similar places is a theory or a working hypothesis. Big Bang &c. There are alternative unaccepted ridiculed theories which are consistent with all extant data. If you want to see how far these go the best place to begin is Anthony Peratt Physics of the Plasma Universe.

    https://ia800702.us.archive.org/29/items/AnthonyPerattPhysicsOfThePlasmaUniverse_201901/Anthony-Peratt--Physics-of-the-Plasma-Universe.pdf

    You are very likely to give up before getting too far because it is challenging to the poor brain cells exciting to this energy level. Robert Temple claims that he has gotten very far. This is dishonest, as a trained astrophysicist with man years of free time would be stressed to read all the books that Temple cites. There is NO WAY that he has read them. There is NO WAY that he understands one thousandth of what he claims to understand.

    Nevertheless he tells an interesting story.

    He says the Kordylwesky clouds are alive. His definition of life (on page 164) is as good as any. He explicitly acknowledges nobody knows what life is. He continues to go right on stacking cards upon the upper stories of this house logic chain with nothing like the qualifications and disclaimers that I would prefer to see.

    He says the clouds are vastly superior to humans in intelligence by multiple orders of magnitude. The clouds contain a complete and intermittently accessible (to rare humans) Akashic record. The clouds have reliable models of what the earthlings are going to do next and for many years decades centuries to come. The clouds are in contact with similar intelligent living clouds elsewhere in the solar system and in the galaxy and on the other side of the universe.

    Also he says there are current peer reviewed publications and professional scientists who totally agree with him although their published claims are far more modest.

    Thank god for that last part anyway.

    Example:

    From plasma crystals and helical structures towards inorganic living matter

    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/9/8/263/pdf

    There’s more. Much more.

    The sun is not a nuclear fireball. It is more like a light bulb illuminated by interstellar electric plasma currents.

    We have plasma currents inside our bodies and extending outwards in a sizable elliptical shell. Auras.

    David Bohm’s hidden-variable quantum potential = Rupert Sheldrake’s morphogentic field. You might think I am making this part up and I wish I was because this book is mostly very fun to read and Robert Temple is mostly a very likable man but he says (on p. 298) there is “no doubt in my mind” regarding this point.

    Wilhelm Reich’s orgone energy = Reichenbach’s odic field = Lytton’s [fictional] vril.

    And there is much more but I hope most can get the gist here. This is one of those rare books that when I reached the end of the text on page 319 (there are 81 pp endnotes, appendices, index) the first thing I did was go to page 1 and start re-reading. The re-reading was about 200 pages every word the material is that dense. The cited references are exhaustive and almost all are legitimate.

    • LOL: meamjojo
  15. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    One wishes to emphasize here, specifically language.

    We live in an age in which great imaginative works of literature are devalued in favor of other mediums, like television, film, and even worse things like Twitter.

    And while television and cinema have value, certainly, it’s worth emphasizing the particular magic of words.

    In the Bible, God literally spoke the world into being (and I believe other cultures have similar traditions) – and in later additions to that book, it’s said the Word became flesh. The Australian aborigines, I believe, sing their landscape into existence.

    While I have never ceased loving reading, especially fiction, I am influenced enough by the ill winds of modernity to have somewhat lost – although never entirely – the special pleasure of sinking into a great work of imaginative literature and fall under it’s spell – as spell.The modern part of me came to somewhat doubt that it is a spell – why am I wasting my time on mere words, when the world is out there?

    So it is bracing to be reminded of a truth known to every intelligent and imaginative child, and that I knew so well in my own childhood – a book is a world, is reality – perhaps even more real than mundane, quotidian reality.

    So for all those sad and dejected moderns who love to read but as they develop into dismal modern adults begin to feel faintly guilty at doing anything so terribly impractical and inefficient, and feel faintly immoral for “escaping” the “real” world – it is a useful reminder that through great literary works of imagination you may actually be connecting more deeply to the real world than ever before 🙂

    And so we overcome modernity – step by step, inch by inch.

  16. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @sudden death

    Power of Siberia 1 – 38 BCM
    Far Eastern extension – 10 BCM
    Power of Siberia 2 – 50 BCM

    Imports from Russia by LNG ships are also on the rise. “China Boosts LNG Imports From Russia to Highest Since 2020.”

    By 2030 or sooner, it’s possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @sudden death
  17. German_reader says:
    @sudden death

    You can’t claim it’s totally made up:
    https://www.ncronline.org/news/ukrainian-catholic-leader-warns-against-russian-orthodox-ban
    An influential segment at least of Ukrainian nationalism (or patriotism or whatever you want to call it, not going to debate the terms) really is highly authoritarian, and also quite unhinged in its wish for some final reckoning with Russia that will supposedly usher in their utopia. Of course Russian criticism of this is quite hypocritical given what’s going on in Russia, with all the chauvinism and increasing repression of dissent. But the crucial question indeed is why exactly Ukraine should be given the unconditional support it demands from Western countries, as if the interests of hardline Ukrainian nationalists and most Westerners were identical.
    I recently saw someone on Twitter compare Ukraine to Serbia before 1914/during WW1 in some ways (most notably of course in their transparent desire to drag in their great power sponsors into a war, to achieve irredentist goals they won’t be able to achieve on their own). Not a flattering comparison of course, but with more than a little truth to it.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  18. Intense combat footage from the point-of-view of a Ukrainian soldier with the callsign “Predator” (à la the Schwarzenegger film).

    One of his comrades is very scared and cannot bring himself to engage the enemy but still proves useful in the situation by passing ammunition to Predator.

  19. Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks story, with some plausible speculation that if the story gets sufficient traction in Europe, the result might be the collapse of NATO.

    Wasn’t the Russian invasion of Ukraine meant to usher in the collapse of NATO (and not…you know, increase its support after Russia launched the first large scale war in Europe since 1945) like the analysts over at The Saker and Moon of Alabama were saying around 1 year ago?

    Regarding Bakhmut. It seems the best parallel is the battles of the Rzhev salient, where the Soviets suffered much larger casualties than the Germans despite having superiority in both manpower, armor and artillery. A new development has been the sabotage of the Wagner Group by the Russian Ministry of Defence in the form of the creation of artificial shell hunger. Power games going on between Shoigu and Prigozhin it seems. In any case the defence of Bakhmut by the Ukrainians has proven to be commendable.

    We went from “3 Days to Kiev” to “365 Days to Artyomovk”.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  20. A123 says: • Website
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Trump wanted to improve relations with Russia. In part to head off a China/Russia team up. Tucker Carlson discusses this point, and others in this segment. This is even more important than the ones that Sundance calls out.(1)

    In his opening monologue Monday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson outlined the insufferable Ukraine narrative and the geopolitical consequences that will flow from the outcome of foreign policy.

    Additionally, Carlson contrasts the difference in DC priority for financially assisting Ukraine while places like East Palestine, Ohio, suffer a catastrophic toxic chemical disaster.

    1/3 of all cars sold in Russia come from China. Clearly, Trump will try to unwind this mess 2025-2028. However, Not-The-President Biden’s perfidy can never be wholly repaired. America and the world have been permanently damaged by the 2020 coup that placed an unelected puppet in the white House.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/tucker-carlson-outlines-ukraine-conflict-china-alignment-with-russia-and-contrast-of-ukraine-spending-against-crisis-in-ohio/

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  21. Yahya says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.

    I’ve also recently discovered this fine high-brow culture blog: http://www.aplvblog.com/p/other-essays.html

    A nice counter-balance to the political, historical and economic blogs I follow.

    You’ll like this post: http://www.aplvblog.com/2012/02/calvin-coolidge-on-classics.html

    • Thanks: HeavilyMarbledSteak
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  22. @War Observer

    Regarding Bakhmut. It seems the best parallel is the battles of the Rzhev salient, where the Soviets suffered much larger casualties than the Germans despite having superiority in both manpower, armor and artillery.

    Where did you get this piece of info? Even Western pro-Ukrainian sources are appalled by staggering Ukrainian losses at Bakhmut and shocked by much smaller losses of the RF. Many Western observers advise Ukraine to abandon Bakhmut to preserve personnel. In contrast, the owner of “Wagner” outfit Prigozhin trolled Ukraine by advising it to defend Bakhmut at all costs.

    We went from “3 Days to Kiev” to “365 Days to Artyomovk”.

    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

    But take heart and keep posting. Here we have too few US/Ukie trolls peddling the official Western narrative. You’d be a third or a forth such creature. Pretty flattering place for a nonentity.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @War Observer
    , @Mr. Hack
  23. @German_reader

    idk if that contemplated ban became existing law atm, but Moscow branch of orthodoxy is not even whole or single existing orthodoxy branch in Ukraine, where native ukrainian Orthodox church is operating too, to say nothing of all christianity.

    Using the same tuckerian propjunk logic it also could be always said that king in England declared a total war on christianity in 16th century and won it;)

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  24. @AP

    Slovak Foreign Minister on Facebook:

    For Putin’s collaborators and especially for ours in the Carpathian Basin and Felvidék, for all those who want peace at the cost of the destruction of Ukraine, I have only one message: Иди нахуй!

    I will leave it to the reader to translate that statement in Cyrlic at the very end.

    • Thanks: AP
  25. German_reader says:

    it also could be always said that king in England declared a total war on christianity in 16th century and won it;)

    Might not even be that incorrect a statement tbh, it’s not like Henry VIII was a pleasant character.
    Anyway, of course Tucker Carlson is saying lots of daft things. But is he wrong on the core issues? Ukraine’s officially stated goals are pretty crazy, either unachievable without direct Western intervention, or leading to incalculable risks, if by some miracle Ukraine does manage to achieve them. But open debate about war aims, the conditions and limits of support is heavily discouraged in Western countries, shouldn’t be surprising this is causing growing resentment.

  26. @AnonfromTN

    Incorrect. The Russian losses at Bakhmut have been eye-watering. There are pictures of fields filled with dead Wagner soldiers who have been told to assault Ukrainian positions head on over and over again.

    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

    Please do not lie, there are compilation of clips from Russian state media showing the likes of Solovyov, Simonyan and Kadyrov boasting about how they will next “deNazify” Poland and victory is but a matter of 2 weeks. Not to mention the various pro-Russians who had gotten too high on their own copium supplies over the years.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, meamjojo
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Wokechoke
  27. Lurker says:
    @QCIC

    There was a lot of talk at one time about a plan to build a pipeline through Afghanistan. Supposedly one of the reasons for western invasion. I always assumed this was nonsense because securing a pipeline there was obviously doomed to failure.

    As far as I can tell no attempt to build said pipeline was ever started.

  28. songbird says:

    Anyone following this Portuguese story?

    [MORE]

    Seems Schengen is being extended to Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, etc.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  29. @War Observer

    According to reasonably reliable sources (there is no such thing as 100% reliable sources of info in a war), Ukrainians are losing ~10 military personnel for each Russian lost. Advice to abandon Bakhmut (Artemovsk) was given Ukraine by many Western analysts. Ukrainian clown-in-chief cited Ukrainian losses as a reason to give him more weapons ASAP.

    As to sources, whatever someone says or said in his/her TG or other media is about as reliable source of info as Nostradamus. E.g., many websites claim that the Earth is flat, so what?

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  30. @china-russia-all-the-way

    By 2030 or sooner, it’s possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.

    Wish all the best sincerely for RF to achieve that goal as relative shortage of gas in Asia was/is keeping prices there quite high most of the time, so additional supply will drive Asian spot prices&LNG demand down too, which is also good for European spot buyers. Besides RF cannot really dictate/influence/buy politicians regarding China, like they were used to do in fragmented Europe over gas dependency.

    Also it means way easier possibility for Australian natgas redirection to Japan or Turkmenistan natgas to Turkey, then to EU as Erdogan is planning.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  31. @sudden death

    as Erdogan is planning

    Nobody in his/her right mind would claim that wonnabe sultan is particularly smart. Yet his moves are so much smarter than the actions of European politicians. It’s a new low for Europe. Pretty sad considering that modern civilization emerged there.

  32. songbird says:

    New Boudica just dropped:

    [MORE]

    Edit: my mistake – thought it was London, not NYC.

    There’s some idea that redheads have a greater tendency to be political radicals. Wonder if there are any implications for Ireland’s hopefully upcoming rebellion against globalism.
    ___
    Darkly humorous how at least three of these appear to possibly be linked to vastly greater rate of STDs:

  33. Wokechoke says:
    @sudden death

    Poland can replace its Dead Souls in Donbass with American sponsored souless niggers though.

  34. Wokechoke says:
    @sudden death

    New Poles Previewed by Biden in Brave Polish Visit.

    • LOL: LondonBob
  35. Wokechoke says:
    @War Observer

    Punishment Battalions though. Not regular recruits. Good way to empty jails and prisons.

  36. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    And yet that strong white magic is already there – in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative

    Light isn’t counter to anything. If you perceive it as that, your sight is still partial.

  37. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Thanks for demonstrating your gullibility yet again.

  38. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Back in July last year, you were predicting that if the Europeans continued to supply Ukraine with arms to defend itself, probably Berlin and Paris would be conquered by Russia. Instead Russia is still stuck outside Bakhmut. Were your great sources what informed you previously?

    Now we are in the middle of the third time. European countries are supplying weapons and ammo to the Kiev regime, and training Ukie soldiers. I am sure they hope for something very different than the inevitable end, which would likely be the third repeat of the results of the first two attempts. They would be lucky if Berlin and Paris are spared this time. Or they might not get lucky. That’s anybody’s guess.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  39. Coconuts says:
    @songbird

    I didn’t know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government’s growth strategy. One of the articles said that the number of foreign workers in the country has already increased from 100,000 to 650,000+ since 2015.

    There are also a lot of illegal immigrants already and this new law will give them official status.

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels. I was reading a couple of Portuguese opinion articles promoting increases in immigration, arguing it was needed to sustain the pensions and social security system.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @LatW
  40. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Invert,

    most media and politicos were saying that Russia would reach the Atlantic if westerers were not sending the Ukies these weapons. Which was absurd. The Ukies themselves were saying they were protecting Berlin and Paris.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
  41. Ron Unz says:
    @Beckow

    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in…

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can’t play with them, or a pure schadenfreude – a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up…they just couldn’t allow it even if it also destroys them.

    Exactly. It’s really a problem when your country is run by crazy people. And it’s a problem for the entire world when your country is extremely powerful and also controls the global MSM.

    Here’s another great Jeff Sachs clip from yesterday:

    Sachs mentions that he was talking to a top American journalist from a top American newspaper, someone he’d known for 40 years. He said the journalist told him “of course” everyone knows that America destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, but no one is allowed to say that.

    According to Sachs, that very morning the same newspaper had suggested that Russia had destroyed its own pipelines. But he’d been reading that newspaper since the Watergate Era, when it revealed all sorts of illegal American government actions. The journalist told him that the newspaper he’d once read “was dead.”

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @A123
  42. Wokechoke says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    Do an analysis of the concrete poured by Ukraine in the run up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. The construction $ amounts are truly astounding.

    Much of German rearmament in the 1930s was building up the Westwall after remilitarizing the Rhine 1936. Very little was really spent on tanks and planes. The bulk of the expenses were bunkers, traps and mine belts. Their very own version of the infamous but misunderstood Maginot line in fact.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Line

    Ukraine was a massive concrete pour by NATO.

    https://www.crisisgroup.org/europe-central-asia/eastern-europe/ukraine/ukraine-line

  43. @Ivashka

    the ancestors of the Eastern Slav fought with the Hun

    Who did they fight against, was it the Avars?

    Han Chinese fought with the Xianbei in the Northern Wei (386–535) to expelled the Rouran, who may have became the Avars after migrating west.

    A weird thing about the ethnogenesis of steppe empires is that they often begin with defeat at the hands of a more powerful rival back home. The losers flee across the vast Eurasian steppe and wind up with a mighty empire far away.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-avars-of-dark-age-hungary-were-mongolians/

    Later on, Han Chinese fought with Manchus and Khalkha Mongols in the Qing to expel the Dzungar Mongols. The Dzungars who migrated west became the Kalmyks, one of their descendants was Lenin.

    @Wokechoke

    Mulan portrayed a Han Chinese fighting against Turco-Mongol barbarians, but she was already a sort of a barbarian, fighting against other barbarians.

    East Slavic nationalism, at least for a lot of Ukrainian bros, is suppose to be about European Slavs liberating themselves from “Asiatic” Turco-Mongols.

    Someone from the Rus’ Khaganate, which is already sort of a Turco-Mongol dynasty, fighting against other Turco-Mongols, would probably not be an appropriate hero for that brand of nationalism.

    • Replies: @AP
  44. Petermx says:
    @QCIC

    You should be able to trust your ally, but if he stabs you in the back he’s not your ally. It’s not normal what the US did to it’s German ally and Germany’s reaction (saying nothing) is completely abnormal. It is also abnormal to have the American Navy in the Baltic Sea, especially after blowing up a Russian -German pipeline. US behavior has made China and Russia unite against them. There are people in the German Bundestag (parliament) that want good relations with Russia and now they may want to leave NATO and become allies of Russia too, or at least have friendly relations. If that happened, I don’t think the US Navy would remain in the Baltic Sea.

    • Replies: @A123
  45. songbird says:

    Were all the balloons shot down with sidewinders?

    Maybe, shows that earth-based laser weapons are just not practical, that they didn’t iron out the flaws by now.

  46. LatW says:
    @Coconuts

    I didn’t know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government’s growth strategy.

    The question is – are they trying to fill the hard to fill jobs, or is this for anyone who speaks Portuguese (is from former colonies).

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels.

    If this is what they’re planning to do now, then some of the EU freedom of movement treaties need to be re-opened and re-negotiated. The very basic EU principles were put in place for Europeans and weren’t designed to be messed with like this.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Coconuts
  47. Keypusher says:
    @Wokechoke

    most media and politicos were saying that Russia would reach the Atlantic if westerers were not sending the Ukies these weapons

    Nope. They were saying the Russians would overrun the Ukrainians. Which turned out to drastically overestimate the Russians.

    Russia’s GDP is roughly equal to Italy’s. No one with a room temperature IQ thinks Russia is any threat to Western Europe. A lot of these threads consist of Russophiles telling themselves that Western Europeans are afraid of them.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  48. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Even Western pro-Ukrainian sources are appalled by staggering Ukrainian losses at Bakhmut and shocked by much smaller losses of the RF.

    ??…

    Care to back this one up Profesor? Sounds kind of sovoky (again). 🙁

  49. Wokechoke says:
    @Keypusher

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-27/germany-post-world-war-ii-ukraine-russia

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-09-08/russia-invasion-of-ukraine-jolting-germany-into-rebuilding-military

    There was panic for some time at the start.

    “A possible Russian invasion of Europe is “more than ever” and Germany could be wiped off the map at any moment, according to a leaked report in Germany. Top military officials in Germany have urged the country to prepare for an impending war with Russia, fearing that the war in Ukraine will escalate into a global conflict with NATO.”

    https://expatguideturkey.com/germany-speaks-of-leaked-documents-russians-can-invade-at-any-moment/

    “In the 68-page report, Zorn argues that although the modern German army has conducted operations in areas such as Afghanistan, these experiences are not sufficient for a future war, and that the Bundeswehr should prepare for a “forced war” on its territory. Warning that the possibility of war in a NATO member country in Eastern Europe “is increasing again”, Zorn urged Germany to play a leading role in the continent’s defense and to build a “stronger” armed forces.”

  50. Beckow says:
    @LatW

    …EU principles were put in place for Europeans

    Who would that be? Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain? Turks with relatives in Germany? Indians with EU work/student visas? Their relatives?

    It is not simple, there are 100’s of millions Third Worlders who could be European, maybe 1-2 billion if they apply themselves. Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave? The reality of what we have – or don’t have – would hit hard.

    EU won’t restrict freedom of movement and it can’t control its borders. They decided to manage it, pushing the inevitable consequences into future. But the ruling liberals celebrate it, embrace it and declare it that it is the ‘new shiny world‘.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @A123
    , @Mikel
  51. meamjojo says:
    @QCIC

    “I’m not religious, but I just said a prayer in hope the killing will stop.”

    Excepting of Vladimir Putin.

    • Replies: @QCIC
  52. meamjojo says:

    Russia continues to sink into the cesspool of its own making.
    ———
    Demographic Challenges Weigh On Russia’s Military Ambitions
    By The Jamestown Foundation – Feb 18, 2023, 2:00 PM CST

    – Russia is looking to grow the size of its armed forces to 1.5 million by the end of 2026.
    – According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.
    – The number of young men in Russia is inevitably decreasing, presenting a challenge that make realizing its military ambitions impossible.

    https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Demographic-Challenges-Weigh-On-Russias-Military-Ambitions.html

    • Replies: @LatW
  53. meamjojo says:

    “Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks story, with some plausible speculation that if the story gets sufficient traction in Europe, the result might be the collapse of NATO. I’ve published a couple of columns and a few of Hersh’s interviews are starting to get some attention”

    What more denial do you need? Straight from the highest USA government authorities – WE DIDN’T DO IT!
    ——-
    John Kirby denies U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream pipelines
    “It’s a completely false story. There is no truth it,” Kirby said when asked about reporting by journalist Seymour Hersh alleging U.S. involvement.
    02/19/2023 02:47 PM EST

    National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby repeatedly denied the United States was involved in explosions that damaged the Nord Stream pipelines, speaking Sunday on “Fox News Sunday.”

    “It’s a completely false story. There is no truth to it, Shannon,” Kirby told host Shannon Bream, when asked about an article by journalist Seymour Hersh alleging U.S. involvement. “Not a shred of it. It is not true. The United States, and no proxies of the United States had anything to do with that, nothing.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/19/john-kirby-nord-stream-seymour-hersh-00083589

  54. LatW says:
    @Beckow

    Who would that be?

    Those who signed the original treaty – you think those nations don’t deserve to be respected? This is against the spirit of the original document.

    Although in the case of the Portuguese, it might be that they are trying to consolidate their nation in these chaotic times, maybe that’s what it’s about.

    Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave?

    It would actually be fantastic. The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.

    EU won’t restrict freedom of movement and it can’t control its borders.

    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will. As usual.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…

    I don’t disagree with you. It’s late, but it might be not too late.

  55. LatW says:
    @meamjojo

    Russia is very lucky that she only has physical challenges on the Western flank. Imagine if Russia had active enemies in the East and in the South? Currently 90% or even more, 95-97% of the Russian military is active on the Ukrainian front. Russia is completely exposed, except for Rosgvardia at home and the nuclear triad.

    According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.

    I hope those cubs are salvaged and don’t have to go into combat. Not now, not in the next 100 years.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  56. Coconuts says:
    @LatW

    I think it is indeed for anyone in the Portuguese speaking world, citizens of Brazil, Anglo, Mocambique etc.

    It’s not totally surprising Portugal would do something like this given their past policies. Under the Salazar regime, after WW2 the colonies were officially absorbed into Portugal itself and the people were all made full Portuguese citizens. This was far-right Portuguese nationalism.

  57. @AnonfromTN

    According to reasonably reliable sources

    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].

    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin’s drab speech yesterday? My personal highlight was when he talked of the gender-neutral Anglican God

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    , @Gerard1234
  58. US believes Russia had failed intercontinental ballistic missile test around when Biden was in Ukraine

    This would actually explain a lot about how milquetoast Putin’s much-hyped address was yesterday, the original plan was to give a rousing performance about how “Russia’s borders end nowhere” (in reference to the almost global range of the Sarmat missile) and how everyone must “listen carefully”, but after Putin got word of the test’s failures he had to re-use his speech from September 30, 2022.

  59. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @LatW

    The EU stands for antiracism first and foremost. Estonians are expected to learn and apply EU values. Estonia is too white according to antiracist values. As the most prosperous former Soviet country in the EU, Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers. The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values and will push for them backed by the full institutional and media power of the EU.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @War Observer
  60. It seems that Wagner PMC was not the superlative fighting machine many pro-Russians said it was. According to Aleksandr Khodakovsky, it is not being deprived of ammunition out of spite, but simply getting it’s fair share like all the other units. Prigozhin posts a picture of one day’s worth of dead Wagnerites, seemingly to put pressure on the Russian MoD to give it back its privileged position on the resupply pecking order.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  61. AP says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Someone from the Rus’ Khaganate, which is already sort of a Turco-Mongol dynasty

    Ashkenazi Jews (such as Zelensky) are not related to the Turkic Khazars but are a mix of roughly 45% Italians, 45% Semites, and 10% Northern Euros (including Slavs). They came to Ukraine from the West.

    The Turkic Jewish Karaites of Crimea, whom the Nazis spared because they weren’t Semitic Jews, may have been related to the Khazars.

  62. LatW says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values

    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.

    It appears that Portugal is willing to give one year residence permits to people from all those countries, it is not clear whether this is a permanent residence which would allow them to reside anywhere in the EU. It looks like an internal Portuguese affair (it’s for Brazilians).

  63. @china-russia-all-the-way

    Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers.

    And who may I ask, is the hidden hand forcing Russia to naturalize almost 200,000 Tajiks every year? Aided of course by the Russian-language schools established by Putin (again some hidden hand must be forcing him correct?)

    Russian schools open in Tajikistan

    Naturalization of Tajiks by the Russian Federation

    2011 – 6,152
    2012 – 9,773
    2013 – 12,476
    2014 – 14,638
    2015 – 16,758
    2016 – 23,012
    2017 – 29,039
    2018 – 35,732
    2019 – 44,707
    2020 – 63,389
    2021 – 103,681
    2022 – 173,634

    • Thanks: Yahya
  64. @Beckow

    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.

    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @songbird
    , @Gerard1234
  65. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    He said the journalist told him “of course” everyone knows that America destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, but no one is allowed to say that.

    Hmmmm…. an establishment, elite university economist received an anonymous leak from a left-wing reporter? Add that to Sachs track record. Everyone smart & honest realizes he was 100% wrong about the WUHAN-19 virus.

    You are using a debunked conspiracy theorist as a source for another conspiracy theory. Based on that information lineage — You make an excellent case that “everyone should know that America is *not* involved”

    The journalist told him that the newspaper he’d once read “was dead.”

    Establishment journalists (and establishment academia) have been quite panicky since Musk bought Twitter. Being a shill for the Globalist Lügenpresse is not the sinecure that it once was.

    PEACE 😇

  66. A123 says: • Website
    @Petermx

    You should be able to trust your ally, but if he stabs you in the back he’s not your ally. It’s not normal what the US did to it’s German ally

    Germany stabbed Greece, Italy, Hungary, and Poland in the back at various times over the years. These were also abnormal events benefiting German banks over individual workers.

    German Bundestag (parliament) that want good relations with Russia and now they may want to leave NATO

    Many have said that NATO and EU are linked. Thus, you suggest that Germany intends departure from the EU.

    This is excellent news. It will be delightful to watch DEXIT (Deutsche Exit) struggle the way that Brexit did. Christian European nations should be able to keep Islamophile, open borders, Germany tied up in knots for a decade or more.

    PEACE 😇

  67. Beckow says:
    @LatW

    …This is against the spirit of the original document.

    Sure, but spirit changes over time. For example the spirit in the early 90’s was ‘no Nato expansion’, then the West decided to change it.

    Spirit is not legally enforceable and the laws against migration are notoriously hard to enforce…if Bulgaria decides that they will sell residency – via some subterfuge like student visas – what can EU do about it?

    The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.

    Right. But it will not happen – the elites have skillfully designed a system of no accountability and minimum control (that’s what ‘globalism’ means to them), they are not giving it up. Even if borders would close for regular people, the elites would remain free and above national sovereignty…But in their defense, that’s what people wanted – they screamed bloody murder for no borders and no restrictions on wealth, they were giddy with excitement when it happened. We are just living with the consequences.

    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will.

    I doubt anything would pass the endless legal challenges against discrimination, EU Charter, etc…There is no definition of who is a “European” in any Euro document, so there is no way to base laws on that. There is also the question of enforcement…if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do. We bought it, the good, the bad, the swarthy…

    • Replies: @A123
    , @LatW
  68. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…

    A collection of sovereign countries makes sense. However, was the EU design ever a great idea? A European ‘Super State’ that threatens national sovereignty was a terrible idea.

    Intra-EU flow of goods, manufactured to common standards is a reasonable goal. Allowing individuals easy short-term transit (e.g. tourists, businessmen) could also have made sense. Permanent relocation of workers:

        • Drains source countries, interfering with family formation
        • Undercuts labour markets in recipient countries.

    Schengen, as currently administered, is a built-in self-destructive policy. If the only way to get rid of it is ending the EU, so be it.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
  69. Chinese FM allegedly requiring for unilateral RF ceasefire as a condition for Xi spring visit in Moscow, Zoperating fan is fuming because of this. If this is truthful leak from RF, means US found some counterarguments for now regarding CCP’ied China musings about potential military supply against UA.

    https://t.me/skurlatovlive/9487

    • Replies: @War Observer
  70. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    I doubt anything would pass the endless legal challenges against discrimination, EU Charter, etc…There is no definition of who is a “European” in any Euro document, so there is no way to base laws on that. There is also the question of enforcement…

    The way to fix the EU from the inside is what I dub — ‘The Spirit of Sovereignty’

    if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do. We bought it, the good, the bad, the swarthy…

    In this example, what can Sovereign Spirit do about it?

    The Latvian government arrests the Angolan for improper documentation and places him in detention. There is much legal byplay before the final move. The sovereign Latvian Supreme Court overrules the ECHR/ECJ as exceeding EU authority and violating the Latvian constitution.

    Multiple other countries do this on migration cases. Thus, firmly establishing that the EU/ECHR/ECJ are junior entities. European institutions are inherently subordinate under the doctine, ‘Spirit of Sovereignty’.

    The EU functions like a bully. It makes threats and others submit. When push comes-to-shove what are actual EU (not sovereign member state) capabilities?

        • EU Air Force — Bombers = none. Air superiority fighters = none.
        • EU Navy — Surface combatants = none.
        • EU Army — Mechanized infantry = none. Armor/tanks = none.

    The EU only exists as it does because nations willingly sacrifice their sovereignty. If a small group of countries stand up and shout, “NO MORE!” the EU will reform or disintegrate.

    PEACE 😇

  71. QCIC says:
    @meamjojo

    I don’t know the Russian language, so my understanding of Putin is limited.

    My impression is that he was dealt a tough hand when he became President, rose to the challenge and did a good job for his country.

    His extemporaneous speaking skill is second to none. He gives real answers to tough questions.

  72. QCIC says:
    @War Observer

    Ha, ha.

    You and Rula are discounting the possibility the USA has supplied more weapons than what we have been told publicly. I assume that is the message of Igor’s numbers.

  73. @sudden death

    The Z-posters will be mightily dissapointed when they realise China is not going to prop them up in the same way NATO is helping Ukraine.

    Funny thread made by a Chinese Communist True Believer. Of course the leadership of the PRC are far more rational and want Russia to continue increasing its dependence on China so they can extract cheap natural resources to fuel their economic growth.

    [MORE]

  74. @sudden death

    But here in the “greatest” and “richest” nation on earth, our rulers claim they can’t figure out how to house homeless people at a reasonable price and pace. I’m sure this will happen here in California aaaaaaaany day now. Just one more sales tax increase and they’ll have enough to get it done then. Or maybe two. Three, tops.

  75. I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin’s “Letters From Russia”, perhaps only to feel somewhat topical 🙂 After all, I do live in these times.

    It’s a bit of an infamous book, banned in Russia until 1996, apparently, and originally published in 1843 in France.

    Custine was a French reactionary, who hated and feared democracy, and traveled to Russia to find arguments against democracy then developing in France. What he found in Russia horrified him. He was horrified by the autocracy, oppression, and cruelty of the upper classes, but also by the cringing subservience and servility of the population and their own willing participation in their oppression.

    It is an interesting case of “getting what you wished for” curing your illusions about the thing you desired – I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    Which isn’t to defend modern liberalism (Woke, etc) – it is indeed awful. I often say to my friends that the Right is often correct in it’s criticism, or at least it’s sense that something is terribly wrong, but right-wing “solutions” would be horrific.

    For myself, I have always liked Russians whenever I met them, and obviously Russia will always occupy a glorious place in world literature and music. I’ve never been there, and I’m sure there are fascinating aspects to the culture and lifestyle that I’d love to see in happier times (at the moment, I imagine Russia is boringly autocratic, as autocratic tendencies make everything boring).

    I also find there is often a “paradox” with human societies, where formally very bad structures and behaviors somehow produce on another level very interesting, appealing, and valuable people and institutions – Russia, for instance, used to have a very appealing spiritual life on one level and produced many interesting and valuable spiritual types, despite on another level being spiritually horrific.

    But there is obviously a dark side to that country that – perhaps too banal an observation to need making – that keeps on cropping up, and should be something we all know more about.

    So to that end, I read!

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @Yahya
    , @LatW
  76. Beckow says:
    @A123

    Well, there was enough good in the EU idea – when it was high-level. But it has changed. There has been a full takeover of EU by the uber-liberal globalist elites, so today it is questionable.

    One can have a successful ‘imperium’ – a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions – only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.

    So I agree, EU has become a pretty horrible idea. The people who think that it can be reformed and changed are in my view naive – the stranglehold the assorted liberal and global business groups have on EU is unshakeable. The real problem is that there is no way back and the benefits of EU (there are still many) are hard to let go.

    Given that, another inane march on the east (always Russia!) seems like the least painful among bad choices. But I am giving them too much credit, they actually don’t choose it – the hatred of “Russia!” is for many of them inbred…that’s what they do.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @A123
  77. Beckow says:
    @sudden death

    So now you celebrate the ‘global warming’? You guys are weird, at the bottom of it is not much more but hatred for anything ‘Russian’, it trumps everything…

    Your attempt to compare blowing up a pipeline in international waters to the level of storage supplies in some gas tanks is very pathetic – not at all on the same level. If you don’t get that, read something about criminal law.

    Who sells what to whom and at what price has nothing to do with ‘high trust’. But you know that, you are just trying to distract the few fools around here (Mr. Hacks?)…crime is a crime, prices are simply trade. I would like a new i-Phone 14 for $200, why can’t I have one? Why didn’t US ship a million of them to my local mall so they would have to sell them at a deep discount?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @sudden death
  78. @Beckow

    One can have a successful ‘imperium’ – a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions – only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.

    They always have the exact same ideology: do not mess with my stuff. Anything else is busy work for the rabble.

    The EU was spec’d out in the late 1930’s early 1940’s by German bankers. We all are fascists now.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Beckow
  79. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @War Observer

    That’s really bad for Russia. Thanks for pointing it out. The same forces are not at work in Russia as the EU and America.

    Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: There are powerful forces at work in the US and Europe successfully bringing about rapid change in racial demographics.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool, QCIC
    • Replies: @War Observer
  80. songbird says:
    @Wokechoke

    Zeihan was still beating the Russia-may-invade-Poland drum fairly recently, due to the call-up. He has also come out saying that he thinks Xi is about to commit to supplying arms.

    Since he is obviously a tool, I think that proves that point.

  81. @china-russia-all-the-way

    Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: There are powerful forces at work in the US and Europe successfully bringing about rapid change in racial demographics.

    Yes, the forces of the Religion of GDP Growth, which are evidently also active in Russia. Poland is also taking in large numbers of Uzbeks.

    China has way too many people to need to do this, plus Russia is about as de-industialized if not more so than the EU, so they will need it also.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  82. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    Beckow and his buddy waiting for a $200 I-phone 14*. Clearly, he’s living in a fool’s paradise. 🙂

    *over 6″ long…like carrying around a subway sandwich in your pocket, and at $800 before a trade in, why not consider an Android flip for $600 after a trade-in? Fits in any pocket easily, expands to over 6 inches when you’re using it – much smarter!

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    • Replies: @Beckow
  83. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @LatW

    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.

    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job. In emerging white Western countries, the smart kids are herding and adopting these beliefs. However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path. However, if you are being intellectually dishonest and Estonia is not actually a rare exception then too bad for not facing up to it. It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off. You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don’t speak to you anymore.

  84. @Beckow

    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory, so all your fuss about equalizing is misplaced, as is laughable the whining about trust breach from the fan of the side, which is abusing that trust.

    However, deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense in criminal codes too, so should read about it indeed;)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Beckow
  85. The alt-right or whatever you want to call it seems these days to be limited to two tendencies; retreat to fantasy, or despairing gloom and defeatism.

    The retreat to fantasy is a striking feature of the rights mentality that really came to the fore in the last year or so. I find it absolutely fascinating and am somewhat perplexed by it. It’s very prominent on this site, especially it’s owners comments, but to really get a good taste of it go to Vox Days blog. I enjoy going there once a week or so to discover a completely alternative reality that I did not know I lived in 🙂

    But this retreat to fantasy is very interesting. It used to be a notable feature of the Arab mentality, especially in it’s wars with Israel, but I think to some extent it’s a regular feature of undeveloped societies in general.

    As far as I can understand it, the retreat to fantasy is the gesture of someone who isn’t serious about acquiring power – people with a weak will to power who prefer comfort.

    People who are serious about acquiring power are the harshest, most unsparing realists – they are really tough on themselves. They choose pain over comfort, they know how to inflict pain on themselves. (I don’t mean “realism” in the sense that they are materialists who discount the so called “supernatural”. Rather the opposite).

    The retreat to fantasy on the right simply means it is a movement not really interested, for the moment, in acquiring genuine power, and would rather relax in a nice soothing bed with goose feather pillows and plush quilts – which is a tendency that all men and women of good will should rather encourage, so it’s fine by me 🙂

    But still, interesting from a sociological perspective.

    But it’s the second tendency of the Right that really annoys me – the complete defeatism and gloom. You see this very prominently in some of the commenters on this forum, but you’ll see it in Rod Drehers blog, Paul Kingsnorths blog, and countless others.

    One of the attitudes that I think every worthwhile human being must have, is be high spirited in the face of overwhelming odds, to sort of laugh at fate and grim necessity, and to remain cheerful, and with high morale, in the face of the terribleness of everything.

    I am not of the Right – in fact I despise much of what they stand for. Yet in terms of my values and what I desire the world if anything is even more grim and terrible – yet I don’t succumb to despair and remain cheerful and high spirited.

    In the end, what these two tendencies reveal is that the right is essentially part of nihilistic modernity no less than any other faction.

    I am reminded of French anthropologist Levi-Strauus theory of structuralism – if two social institutions seem opposed but share the same underlying structure, they are the same thing really.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  86. @Emil Nikola Richard

    We all are fascists now.

    Reminds me of what Jimmy Dore said: “Why do we fund Nazis in Kiev? Why can’t we fund our own? We have them”.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  87. @sudden death

    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory

    It’s like contract killing. Anyone with IQ greater than shoe size knows who ordered it. However, which particular killer was hired to pull the trigger is rarely established.

    • Replies: @A123
  88. @AnonfromTN

    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

    I would like you to know I am a serious thinker. I didn’t listen to Tulsi Gabbard’s Sunday speech but I did read the transcript. When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?

    I presume not just anybody could get close enough to smell her Aloha brand perfume.

  89. I was reading a bit in Richard Burtons interesting little tract The Jew, the Gypsy, and El Islam, and I came upon this amusing description of the sort of Ashkenazi Jews who had immigrated to Palestine in the 19th century –

    The Ashkenazím, who are wrongly represented to be considered pariahs by the Sephardím, have brought from Northern climates a manliness of bearing, a stoutness of spirit, and a physical hardness strongly contrasting with the cowardly and effeminate, the despised and despicable Sephardím “Jew of Israel’s land.” If spoken to fiercely, they will reply in kind; if struck, they will return the blow; and they do not fear to mount a horse, unlike their Southern brethren, who prefer an ass, or at most an ambling pony, to the best of Arab blood. They will travel by night over difficult and dangerous paths, whereas their congeners tremble to quit the city walls; and they can endure extremes of heat and cold, of hunger and thirst, which might be fatal to any soft Syrian who would imitate them. The Ashkenazím of the Holy Land are in a word “men”; the Sephardím are not. “The Spanish and Portuguese Jews are of far higher and more intellectual type than the English and German,” says Dr. Linsdale. Possibly; but in the matter of manliness there is no comparison. And, as has been remarked,[Pg 56] the Ashkenazi is “eating up” the Sephardi wherever they meet.

    Now, his description of the Sephardim certainly no longer applies today in Israel. The Sephardim are physically very robust and generally good looking and athletic today, in Israel, and have a reputation for being tough, and certainly not for cowardice or effeminacy – although no more so than the Ashkenazim.

    But I have always thought that Ashkenazim in Israel – the early ones at least – were a self-selected bunch and were selected for qualities that would be required in a primitive pioneering society. Arthur Koestler, in his book on Israel, noted also that the men looked basically like robust northern Europeans and not like the urban Jews he was used to (successive waves of Ashkenazim probably complicated the picture with less self selected bunch)

    And certainly, the above description cannot be applied with the same force to the majority of diaspora Jews, in America and Europe.

    What I loved and enjoyed about living in Israel as a child in the 80s was the Wild West atmosphere of the place, the vast open spaces, and the pioneering spirit – I haven’t been there in a while, but like all things no doubt those times are gone and Israel has, no doubt, “grown up” and become boring. Is it still empty and wild? Doubtful. My friends return with reports of a stifling bureaucracy and heavy handed state.

    I should probably visit soon to satisfy my curiosity.

    At this point in my life, I am not attached to the Jewish character of Israel, and my own vision for it’s future is of a Jewish-Arab fusion that will produce something novel and interesting – a new cultural entity, neither Jewish, nor Arab, but that thing that in the seeming old age of the world we have perhaps forgotten can exist, a novel people and culture? European, Arab, Levantine, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, elements will go into it – but it will be unlike any of these and transcend them all.

    It’s like the world is old, and we can only imagine the old ethnic and racial categories. But why? The Romans were an interesting and worthwhile people, with interesting characteristics. But they gave way to and became a part of the Italians, who were a novel people, capable of doing entirely new things, and equally worthwhile and interesting.

    Of course, I’m not proposing Globalism – the forced and unnatural combinations of humans to smooth out differences and create a boring uniform type. Rather the opposite! A rich “particularity” of culture and people that nevertheless is an example of universal spiritual themes.

  90. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Tulsi Gabbard is a very interesting and perhaps quite promising politician. And that on top of being an esthetically pleasing lady (unlike the Victoria Nuland’s types).

    Tulsi as the first female POTUS ? Would be surprising given her stance seems running against the MIC and the Deep State.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  91. Beckow says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    …They always have the exact same ideology: do not mess with my stuff. Anything else is busy work for the rabble.

    That’s true, but when anything else is elevated to absurd levels – the one-world, worship-Floyds-LGwhatever-hate whitey, etc… – it is ideological. Whether the people pushing it believe it or only use it to control the rabble really doesn’t make that much difference. It is everywhere, it is what they have become…

    EU was spec’d out in the late 1930’s early 1940’s by German bankers. We all are fascists now.

    Among others…to be fair the one-Europe idea has been pushed by multiple groups – Napoleon was also into it, and before him assorted Catholic dynasties. The basic plan always runs into an issue with enough material resources and land. That triggers an attack on the east where there are plenty of resources…we have ended up there again.

    It is very unlikely it will work this time – actually this one is comparatively among the weakest attacks. The only thing the West has going for it this time are the endless Ukie human sacrifices…and social media (!) It won’t be pretty to look back at the carnage and stupidity, it never is, the Westerners always for a time apologize profusely – and then they start hating and plotting again. They will never forgive.

  92. @china-russia-all-the-way

    However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path.

    Most Western youngsters identify more with their Discord channel and their MPOG team than with an ethnic group, let alone a nation. The kids are netizens before they are citizens. Global networks are coming to replace everything else.

    The period of classical Empires is gone, the nations are also heading towards the exit. So do the traditional religious affiliations too. The conflicts in MENA and Eastern Europea are archaic. They only exist because people are vindictive and actually rather dumb. Intelligent people would have never brought such a calamity upon themselves or would have fixed it ASAP if handled by their ancestors.

    Sorry for being somewhat vulgar, but in these conflicts, as the Russian saying goes: “борьба была равна, боролись два го☆на.” People who have started this are only worthy of disdain, those who perpetuate it and derive pride from it are pitiful…

  93. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Do you sell mobile phones, Mr. Hacks? Sorry to hear it, no wonder you like fat chicas and 110 degree weather…

    By the way, I never wear head coverings of any kind…try again…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  94. Beckow says:
    @sudden death

    What does it mean that you are not a ‘proponent‘ of something that unquestionably happened? It is kind of like saying that you are not a proponent of the sun rising tomorrow…good luck with that. Once you depart reality it is a lonely place – only you, Mr. Hacks, and of course Biden&Co….

    deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense

    Riiiight….and in international trade no less…where the hell do you live? There is so much ‘deliberate market manipulation by dominant players‘ that your head would spin. But not for you, since you really, really, like those particular dominant players, it is ok. You are reaching new levels of pathological hypocrisy…or is it narcissism in your case?

    • Replies: @sudden death
  95. @Ivashka the fool

    Tulsi as the first female POTUS ? Would be surprising given her stance seems running against the MIC and the Deep State.

    Tulsi has no chance as long as the American political system remains corrupt to the core. On the other hand, in a democracy with her record, message, and looks she’d have a shot at it.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  96. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    Yeah. The countries that oppose the West are all shitty places to live. But that’s only really an issue if you think that those countries are good or that you would rather live there.

    I have never expressed any admiration for Russia and China and I certainly wouldn’t want to live in a place like either of them. But they are enemies of the regime ruling the United States and I support them on that narrow front. No hypocrisy there.

  97. @Emil Nikola Richard

    When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?

    Can’t say, did not stay long enough: I got bored and left at 4:15 (that’s 3 h 45 min after the start, something like 2 h after boring repetitions started).

  98. @War Observer

    According to the Center for Analytical and Practical Research of Migration Processes, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine led to an increase in the influx of migrants to the Russian Federation, replacing local residents (dead, wounded, disabled and those who left)[1]. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in January-September 2022, 12.78 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation, which is 3.5 million more than in the same period in 2021[2].

    According to official data for 2014, Russia ranks first in Europe and second in the world after the United States in terms of the number of labor migrants[3]. According to the data of the Federal State Statistics Service, the bulk of migrants are from the CIS countries[4]. Up to 2 million foreign citizens annually arrive in Moscow for the purpose of employment, of which 300-400 thousand are officially employed[5][6]. According to the National Research University Higher School of Economics, in 2013 the number of legal and illegal labor migrants in Russia was about 7,000,000 people[7], according to the Russian Federal Migration Service – 4.5 million[8], over 83% of which are citizens from the CIS countries with visa-free entry to Russia

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

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    По данным Центра аналитических и практических исследований миграционных процессов вторжение России на Украину привело к росту притока мигрантов в РФ, заменяющих местных жителей (погибших, раненых, инвалидов и уехавших)[1]. По данным МВД, в январе-сентябре 2022 г. в РФ приехало 12,78 млн мигрантов, что на 3,5 млн больше, чем за аналогичный период 2021 г[2].

    По официальным данным на 2014 год Россия занимает первое место в Европе и второе в мире после США по количеству трудовых мигрантов[3]. Согласно данным Федеральной службы государственной статистики, основную массу мигрантов составляют выходцы из стран СНГ[4]. В Москву с целью трудоустройства ежегодно прибывают до 2 млн иностранных граждан, из них официально трудоустроено 300—400 тысяч[5][6]. По данным НИУ ВШЭ, в 2013 году количество легальных и нелегальных трудовых мигрантов в России составляло около 7 000 000 человек[7], по оценкам ФМС России — 4,5 млн[8], свыше 83 % которых — это граждане из стран СНГ с безвизовым порядком въезда в Россию

    Русский мир, бл☆ !

    Спасибо Путину за это…

    • Replies: @LatW
  99. @Greasy William

    I have never expressed any admiration for Russia and China and I certainly wouldn’t want to live in a place like either of them.

    Can’t say anything about PRC, I was in big China only briefly (once at a scientific meeting, once as a tourist). Today’s RF is perfectly livable (you need to speak the language, though), whereas the US is developing the worst features of the late unlamented Soviet Union at an alarming pace.

  100. @Greasy William

    Oh, I get that, but I think you’re making an extremely serious mistake.

    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase the likelihood that Western society becomes like them. That’s how these things work.

    I think the much more intelligent course is to work for reform within the West – I too despise the current regime, the culture of Woke, etc. In fact, my spiritual beliefs cause me to despise far, far more aspects of the current system than you or any alt-righter!

    A person like Vox Day, actually admires Russia and China – he admires cruelty, oppression, authoritarianism, etc. So it makes total sense for him to support a victory for those countries, as he’d like to see that reproduced in the West.

    He imagines he would be a member of the elite, and have the opportunity to oppress others, and he lives vicariously through those countries now as best he can.

    But if this isn’t your attitude, and you recognize that those countries are currently worse than the West – even though the West is terrible! – then you’re making a possibly fatal mistake. This “us/them” thinking is far too simplistic.

    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @Beckow
  101. Edward N Luttwak makes it clear, the implosion and destruction of RusFed should be avoided.

    The reason he gives is that it might advantage China too much.

    Given that China too doesn’t want to see RusFed terminally weakened, it means that RusFed would be kept around as a pariah state that the West might use as a scarecrow and a whipping boy, while China siphones its natural ressources for a cheap price and the Central Asian/ Turkic folks overtake its lebensraum through rampant colonization.

    (Спасибо Путину за это…)

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    • Replies: @LatW
  102. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    At this point in my life, I am not attached to the Jewish character of Israel, and my own vision for it’s future is of a Jewish-Arab fusion that will produce something novel and interesting – a new cultural entity, neither Jewish, nor Arab, but that thing that in the seeming old age of the world we have perhaps forgotten can exist, a novel people and culture? European, Arab, Levantine, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, elements will go into it – but it will be unlike any of these and transcend them all.

    You are turning here a (proposed) ethnogenesis process into metaphysics, your main tendency, and deviation. Metaphysics make you claim some new people.

    But in these words, you are also extremely extremely modern – they could very well stand on the opinion page of “The Guardian” or “New York Times”, or even “Haaretz”, I suppose. Obviously the new is good, obviously the new transcends the old, obviously the new is unlike anything ever was (The Book of Hiob notwithstanding).
    Wishful metaphyscis, I say.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
  103. @Beckow

    There are not so few people for whom alien abductions at night for the sake of anal probing are happening unquestionably, so such belief in a single blog post with plenty of holes might be similar;)

    A country, which is capable to contaminate its own international pipelines flowing the main source of income like oil, also is more than capable to blow underwater ones due to incompetence too, the malice of any side is not only one explanation left atm.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @German_reader
  104. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I am reminded of French anthropologist Levi-Strauus theory of structuralism – if two social institutions seem opposed but share the same underlying structure, they are the same thing really.

    This why the carefully woven patterns of cousin marriages are so important – they are structural relics of a family of civilizations of the past, and its [matrilineal] system of values.

    “One of the attitudes that I think every worthwhile human being must have, is be high spirited in the face of overwhelming odds, to sort of laugh at fate and grim necessity, and to remain cheerful, and with high morale, in the face of the terribleness of everything.”

    God would call that arrogance. Plus, no punishment by God would be possible, as consequences of act [punishment] would be divorced from the act itself. Imagine the world where God constantly punishes trespassers but they never realize it is a punishment. This is what you are effectively proposing.

  105. @Another Polish Perspective

    Is that true, though? The modern vision is one of an engineered uniformity that specifically avoids the rich particularity of things produced through natural processes. A new culture, a new people, individual, particular, with traits, attributes, qualities, a way of life, a cuisine, habits, customs – in short, not just a stripped down, abstract, consumer or user of technology, a number, a unit – isn’t this rather against the vision of modernity?

    Think of it this way – I want to build a baroque medieval Cathedral, modernity wants to build a steel and glass box 🙂

    That being said, I admitted I am not simply a traditionalist and do believe that as much as we must be inspired by the past, and even resurrect parts of it, we must reach out to the new – only, not the new as conceived by technological modernity, but the new as increasing realization of divine Good.

    And I have also made clear that I believe ethnogenesis to be primarily a spiritual and metaphysical process, not a physical one. In fact, the new people I’m envisioning can even retain it’s exact current ethnic composition and successfully mutate into an entirely novel culture and people.

    The factors that make a people – that bind them- are metaphysical not genetic. People of the same genetic stock often divide into different peoples.

    But perhaps in my zeal I’m overstating the case. Why not let the physical also make a contribution, provided one understands the metaphysical binding agents are primary?

    No doubt, physical mixing will contribute to this novel prompt, or happen inevitably anyways. It’s already happening in Israel.

  106. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    You’re the one who first bro9u9ght up cellphones and their costs, remember?…

    I do like Mexican ladies, they usually have very pleasant personalities, and a lot of them are quite attractive too. As for weather, we’ve been experiencing mid 60’s for several weeks now, poised to experience 70’s soon enough. How about you? Next time you visit Phoenix do so from October – March – nobody visits during the summer months except those that don’t know any better. Don’t expect to hook up with me during the summer, I hope to be gone to the cooler lake country up north….

    • Replies: @Beckow
  107. @Another Polish Perspective

    To be fair, the opposite perspective – a wholesome recognition of every happenstance as the act of God, the attitude the Arabs call “maktub” (in philosophical terms, a kind of extreme occasionalism aka the doctrine that God is the only true cause ) – also leads to divorce between a deed and its consequences, since everything can be potentially connected to anything.

  108. @Another Polish Perspective

    The truth is the exact opposite of what you say.

    I’m not proposing that you don’t acknowledge that you suffer or don’t recognize bad situations – you just don’t collapse in despair, and remain high hearted. Even if that means recognizing you have to radically change your behavior and yourself.

    Thing is, in a world created by a Good God, ones fundamental attitude, despite everything, must be optimism. Weren’t the Gospels the good news? Read the early Christians – they were full of good cheer and optimism while quite clearly acknowledging the awfulness of the world situation on the proximate level.

    A Good God, who will not abandon his creation but lovingly lead everyone to the Way, and who has already defeated the dark powers on high and rescued mankind from bondage to them, wants his creatures to be optimistic and of good cheer.

    Far from arrogance, it can only be such a God’s desire.

    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness 🙂

    Quite aside from God, though, one should be of enough of a philosophical temper, and have enough of a breadth of view, to develop a certain sophisticated detachment from this silly world of ours 🙂

    Montaigne said that philosophically, despair and sadness are stupid, and the philosopher is cheerful 🙂

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole 🙂

  109. songbird says:

    Vivek might be the prototype for yet unseen Indians in the West seeking national leadership, to try to walk back the woke. Overall, by comparison to other conservatives, his message is not really bad, but I find his official spot to be atrocious. Lots of backs of people, and dark silhouettes of cowboys, and people with welding-masks on. Way too many blacks – first face is of a black girl. His tone seems too weak and unsure. And I don’t think trying to re-appropriate foundational myths and spin them as diversity that worked (E. pluribus unum, LOL), seems like it could possibly gain traction. Who are they going to drudge up, Crispus Attucks?

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    Instead, he should focus on this:

    Of course, he is a long shot and doesn’t stand any chance to even be on a debate stage. But, perhaps, Sunak, Varadkar and Yousaf’s eventual successors could still take some lessons from him.

  110. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    You’re Israeli, right? I remember well how Israel’s defeat in the 2006 Lebanon War ended Israel’s plan to make Judea and Samaria judenfrei. The Israeli far rightist who were rooting for Hezbollah in that war didn’t want to be ruled by Nasrallah but they wanted to see the Israeli regime weakened so it would have less power to persecute them.

    That’s where I am, the weaker the US regime is, the less damage it can do here at home. Right now, China/Russia pose no threat to me, the US regime does. If the situation changes, my opinion will change with it.

    Also: fuck white liberals

    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.

    But my (brilliant, imo) thesis is that the West’s problems are the result of a fraudulent monetary policy that is inherently unreformable. I’m all for building something better, but the current system cannot be reformed, it can only collapse. Accelerationism is the only way out.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
  111. Beckow says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase…

    Too many people from all sides talk about what they would want, or not want, and speculate how it would change the world. None of that is very relevant – what happens is not based on our wants. The war is driven by a simple correlation of forces and willpower. The victory – if we ever agree on it, and it is not at all certain that we will in this ‘media’ war – will determine the rest.

    Let’s see: X decided some time ago that Y is weak and that by using a smaller Z, neighbor of Y, major benefits can be obtained. X went for it, pushed and got ready, Z also got ready `and then – unsurprisngly – Y attacked.

    Y is much stronger than Z (even with X) in that region. X also has a major problem: it can’t actually fight a real war because it cannot take casualties – in other words, X knows how to kill, but not how to die…that means it can kick-ass of any third rate country, but it has to stay away from countries like Y that can cause major casualties. So instead Z stepped in as the designated casualty-provider, X has been cheering them on from a safe distance…

    How is this likely to end? It is really not that complicated…

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
  112. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

    And he honestly says that. Whereas libtards are a comedy (or a freak show, if you are a pessimist) but they would never acknowledge that. E.g., you cannot parody Alzheimer-in-chief, he is a perfect self-parody.

  113. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness

    Experience as well as the Bible provide more support to the idea that this is true, than to the idea that this is untrue. However, God punishes but is not jealous of human happiness (unless you are a freemason which you very well might be).

    Negating the Evil does not cancel it – you are a bit like a self-blinded man talking about the greatness of darkness.

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole

    I think I am rather detached – neither despairing nor singing hymns like you. Detachment is a natural consequence of being able of perceiving the great stupidity and the great blindness of the majority of humanity: indeed, it is such a great tragedy that it can be only contemplated in silent awe. Remember, only cosmic perspective, a perspective above the stars so to say, allows you to see the truth, among else that man has never been the crown of natural creation – in other words, the “religion” of survival is untrue. But, anyway, why we would need such a religion if that was true…?

  114. @Another Polish Perspective

    Ability to self-deceive in a limited sense may be useful for survival, but at the greater scale, it is detrimental (Example: belief in Co2 as the leading cause of weather instability). Maybe human being exists in order to prove this concept. We cheat, because we want to survive, but because we cheat, we can’t survive: Der Teufelskreis aka vicious circle.

  115. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, I remember, during summers you go to visit the mosquito country…

    And the Mex-chicas, they are indeed pleasant, eating all those carbohydrates help. They also tend to have a 2-3 years attractive window when they are of certain age….after that, well, when it is hot like in Phoenix maybe it doesn’t make that much difference…

    For your enjoyment I am reposting something from another (maybe better?) culture:

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
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  116. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    Yeah, Ukrainian girls are always hot. Slovak girls are nice too…

  117. Beckow says:
    @sudden death

    Aliens? where did you go my friend…you are really getting lost in your attempts to evade the obvious…

    But ok, the perpetrator is a mystery…Of course, they won’t confess but will boast about it – a weird combination that requires simultaneously lack of honor and self-discipline, like small children hiding candy behind their back…

    Cui bono? For a milli-second try to reverse the players and imagine how credible it would if the pipeline was American and Russia had shown – repeatedly and in writing – an absolute hostility to the pipeline…can you try? or is your mind so hardwired that ‘enemy’ is an ‘enemy’, and your side can do no wrong….that’s how civilizations perish.

  118. songbird says:

    New Troubles seem inbound:

    [MORE]

    People should be kept from many small positions of power, just based on the mobility of their face and head, while talking, IMO.

    Anyone heard of that Astrobotic mission to the moon, which is supposed to be carrying the DNA from four US presidents?

    I thought the aliens were going to create a clone army of Carters, Bushes, and Clintons to send against us, but apparently, it is supposed to be from Washington, JFK, Ike, and the Gipper. Earlier plans (which I am not sure they dropped) were to send the pederast Arthur C. Clarke’s DNA.

    https://www.news18.com/buzz/dna-remains-of-former-us-presidents-to-be-sent-into-space-7130629.html

  119. Yahya says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin’s “Letters From Russia”, perhaps only to feel somewhat topical 🙂 After all, I do live in these times.

    Don’t know if you’ve watched Sokurov’s Russian Ark; but it’s readily available on Youtube with English subtitles for free:

    The Marquis de Custin features as the central character. As the narrator walks through the Hermitage; he encounters the haughty French aristocrat; who proceeds to condescendingly opine on Russian history and society. The commentary is quite banal and mediocre; for example when the Marquis opines that Russians admire their dictators because they are an Asiatic people; or that the orchestra they pass by couldn’t possibly be Russian; since the music they played was original, and Russian are only good for copying Europeans. From brief summaries of Custin’s book; this seems to be the thoughts he expressed in his book; but I must say that film is a very limited medium to muse philosophically on history or culture. The bite-sized thoughts are inevitably superficial; they are too constrained by the limited space for dialogue. But i’d recommend watching the movie just for the ride throughout the Hermitage; and the unique cinematography.

    I watched another of Sokurov’s films; a recent one set in the Louvre; and i’d strongly discourage against watching it. It’s an uninspired copy of Russian Ark.

    Balzac was another French reactionary who hated democracy; wrote positively of Russia’s “despotism”; and even contemplated relocating to Russia, but was discouraged by the stringent citizenship requirements of the time. He wrote to Lady Hanska that he thought Custin’s book was “horrible”; and contrasted the “blind obedience” of the Russians to the “deep lack of discipline” of the French. Balzac’s admiration for obedience is a fairly peculiar notion by today’s standards; but perhaps this was a reflection of French instability at the time. As JS Mill wrote: “the first lesson of civilization [is] that of obedience”; for civilization to function properly, the powers of authority must be vested in a particular institution, whether democratic or autocratic. The latter is easier to establish; the former more durable.

    I agree that generally it’s better to live in a democracy than an autocracy. But that doesn’t necessarily mean democracy is the best possible option for every state/society in every time period. Democracy requires several preconditions to establish itself and function properly. Chief among them is education of the masses and the formation of civil society. These conditions were not present in 19th century Russia. The autocratic system was deeply-rooted; the nascent Russian state having been influenced by Byzantine political thought, and to lesser extent Mongol and Ottoman administrative practices. The Russian system was even more centralized than the Ottoman state. It would’ve required a prolonged organic process to move away from that system. The other alternative is dramatic upheaval; which could and eventually did result in disaster and instability, as the experiences of 1917 and 1991 demonstrate.

    Autocracy doesn’t necessarily need to be despotic and oppressive. There are several variations of each particular form of government. In the autocratic form it ranges from Lee Kuan Yew-style benevolence and competence to Ivan The Terrible-style despotism and incompetence. In my opinion, the best course of action for Russia in the 19th century was a gradual moderation by the formation of civil society which could accompany the autocratic system. The would serve as a counterbalance to the despotic tendency of the Russian autocracy; while retaining the efficacy and long-term orientation of a centralized government without the need to appeal to short-sighted voters.

    If Russia had adopted democracy during the 1800s; likely the result would’ve been demagoguery and despotism of the majority. The Russian peasantry were insufficiently educated or inculcated with a democratic value system. Konstantin Pobedonostsev wrote the most convincing defense of Russian autocracy in Reflections Of A Russian Statesman: https://academic.shu.edu/russianhistory/index.php/Konstantin_Pobedonostsev,_Reflections_of_a_Russian_Statesman. It’s a one-sided polemic but he makes a few timeless points on the downsides of the democratic system; how it discourages intelligent and honorable people from participating in government; and the illusory nature of majority rule. On the other hand; I think George Cornewall Lewis authored the most balanced treatment of different governmental systems in A Dialogue On The Best Form Of Government. Lewis employed the Socratic technique to outline the positives and negatives of each system; and even took biological, cultural and societal differences into account; which is quite rare for an academic. His conclusion is one I agree with substantially; both are important; but the quality of the populace matters more than the form of government.

    • Thanks: Mikel
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  120. LatW says:
    @Beckow

    Spirit is not legally enforceable and the laws against migration are notoriously hard to enforce…

    That’s true and I wasn’t arguing that this wouldn’t be a problem. My point was a bit different: this is kind of changing the rules in the middle of the game type of thing (I know you don’t agree, because you see this is all as consistent, everybody agreed to everything, can’t have your cake and eat it too, etc). But I believe that when you make such drastic changes, it merits at least a conversation.

    Imagine, if the EU is one big country (I know it isn’t but just for the sake of illustrating my point), the population has been roughly static for hundreds of years and then somebody decided to change the composition of citizens in a drastic, irreversible way. This would call for a conversation or discussion at least, imo. The East doesn’t want this and there is nothing wrong with a conversation.

    In normal law, this would be called “substantial changes of circumstances” with a petition for “modification”. I understand that this may not fly with the way the situation is in the EU right now, but I am talking about the PRINCIPLE.

    Do we know a 100% what the European majorities, both in the East and the West really think about this issue?

    I do agree with you that the seeds were put in a long time ago and not much was done to oppose a long time ago.

    if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do

    The laws against that are very strict in Latvia now (even for Russian women and their Russian pimps). So that wouldn’t be allowed to fester. There are mostly two categories of migrants – tech migrants (or other skilled workers) or service workers (delivery, nurses, etc). People would happily come for these opportunities (the rules now allow only a limited number to come), but they would have to work their *ss off and, even if they had a higher or same level salary as in Portugal, they wouldn’t have all those other benefits of Portugal – warmer weather, more relaxed population, cultural ties, language.

  121. @Greasy William

    I was born in America and lived most of my life here, although I did spend a significant chunk of my childhood in Israel when it was a rather fun country to be in.

    I have no problem with weakening the American system or rooting for the collapse of the global system – I myself have similar attitudes.

    But rooting for China and Russia and against America won’t lead to the current system being replaced by something better – it will lead to a worse version of the current global system taking over everywhere. If America collapses but China and Russia stay strong, America would just be reorganized along Chinese or Russian lines – which would be a significantly worse tyranny than we have now.

    Cognitively, it shouldn’t be difficult to both despise America, and China and Russia, to root for none of them, and to want the whole system to end. For my part, I root for the lesser of two evils now, which is obviously the West, while at the same time rooting for it to collapse.

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  122. @Beckow

    It’s very common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won’t die for their cause. This mistake happens so often – and always blows up in the face of those who make it – that it should really have its own name and be studied as a special psychological phenomena. Quite literally every single tough guy tyrant, everywhere, for the past several hundred years, has made some version of the “they’re paper tigers” mistake, only to suffer for it.

    Just as I mentioned earlier that large civilizations suffer from a kind of “autism”, I think there is something about the tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their “weak” adversaries.

    Certain mindsets appear prone to certain blind spots, and it’s actually quite interesting to study. Democracies are similarly autistic when they think everyone will become just like them when a tyrant is overthrown.

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  123. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    If America collapses but China and Russia stay strong, America would just be reorganized along Chinese or Russian lines

    You imply that Pax Americana will be replaced by Pax Sinica. That would hardly be an improvement. I advise you to consider the possibility that the US will transform from a bloated overreaching empire to a normal country. With the US aggression and terrorism sponsored or directly perpetrated by the US ending the whole world would become a much better place. Multi-polar world is preferable to any unipolar world (the latter basically means one bully terrorizing everybody else with impunity).

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  124. @Wokechoke

    The Germans won’t even say boo to their occupiers when their main energy pipeline is blown up. For all practical purposes they now are a conquered nation. The generals in Lagos Nigeria have more backbone. It is against the law to display a swastika. The college fraternities probably don’t even have duels any more.

    Maybe they have them with rubber swords.

    • Agree: Wokechoke
  125. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Given that China too doesn’t want to see RusFed terminally weakened, it means that RusFed would be kept around as a pariah state that the West might use as a scarecrow and a whipping boy, while China siphones its natural ressources for a cheap price and the Central Asian/ Turkic folks overtake its lebensraum through rampant colonization.

    It’s correct that China may not want the RusFed “terminally weakened”, but China still wants a weak RusFed that they can exploit. Also, if the craziest scenario comes to pass (RusFed loses spectacularly and chaos ensues at home, not a given, but an “if”), who in the world will be able to control this smuta? It will be so fragmented, that it will take some uber strict local leader to control, it is certainly not going to be outsiders from the West – they may try to influence the situation, but they will definitely not hold the reins on it.

    Xi will present his peace plan soon and most likely he will defend things such as “territorial integrity”. He will not fully side with Russia.

    Btw, you know who didn’t do well at the Munich Conference? The one Khodorkovsky. He was beset by Ukrainian journalists who questioned and almost shamed him about why he has not provided more help for the Ukrainians (out of his pocket, as many others did).

    Then when speaking to Dozhd, he admitted to be somewhat startled by how mainstream the talk about “disintegration of Russia” has become. Or maybe not “mainstream”, but less marginal than before. These overseas Russian liberals are just sitting there, biding their time, hoping that the Ukrainian military and the Russian freedom fighters will topple Putin for them (paying with blood and sweat in the process) and then they can just cruise back in, and take all the warm seats in Russia like what they used to have back in the early 90s (just with higher commodity prices). I don’t want to trash them, they have a right to their vision. It’s just that things have changed, the attitude towards Russia has changed.

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  126. @Another Polish Perspective

    I think what you have is “resignation”. True detachment leads to exhilaration and joy 🙂

    Similarly, I think you haven’t achieved the full cosmic perspective, which liberates. You still have some lingering resentment that humans aren’t so important, some lingering despondency at dashed expectations. That’s merely the first stage of “seeing through” the world, and you’re still clinging to the residues of a human-centric vision, not a cosmic, all embracing one.

    The full cosmic perspective shows that there was never any need for humans to be so important, as seperate from the cosmos – because from the perspective of the cosmos, these separations are artificial. There is only the All. Humans are unimportant as humans, but of infinite worth as the All of the cosmos, just like everything else 🙂

    This banishes all despondency and replaces resignation with exhilaration.

    @Yahya

    Thanks, I have not seen Sukorov’s film – it looks interesting I will check it out!

    As for Custin’s book, it’s been highly praised by very intelligent people so I’m sure it isn’t just composed of the sorts of banal platitudes you mentioned, which are not only trite but racist and illiberal – if it does contain things like that, I suspect those are distortions, and it’s treated in a much sophisticated and nuanced manner.

    But I shall see when I read the book – if it’s largely simplistic, dumb things like Asiatics like autocracies and aren’t creative, I’ll be the first to admit it’s worthless trash!

    As for civilization requiring obedience, I am not a fan of that kind of civilization, even if JS Mill said that 🙂 I believe in my discussion with AP something of my opposition to this kind of hierarchical, overly complex civilization came out.

    I am something of an anarchist and a socialist, and am convinced that humans can organize with a minimum of hierarchy and coercion, and can cooperate on a voluntary basis to secure life’s necessities and satisfy all worthwhile human desires. Anything more authoritarian can only have nefarious purposes in view, like the enriching of an elite class at the expense of everyone else, or projects of conquest and subjugation which are inherently wrong.

    I’m inspired in this party by my reading of both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, which strike me both as anarchist and socialist in spirit, and in the latter case, unambiguously and explicitly so.

    Hunter-gatherer tribes often have a loose political structure with no clear central authority, and the chief is merely “primus inter pares” and is followed willingly in limited ways, and has no ability to exact strict obedience. When Europeans first began dealing with American Indians, they were frustrated by the inability of the Indian chiefs to exact strict obedience from his people of the kind needed to enforce treaties.

    Noted anthropologist David Graeber recently wrote a book called the Dawn of Everything, that explores early human societies and that was precisely meant to combat these restrictive notions of what is politically possible for humans – this sense that only obedience and hierarchy makes possible coexistence, he shows has taken shape in historic times only, and previously, humans had much more expanded political imaginations that permitted all sorts of shifting, flexible arrangements, including hierarchy and obedience parts of the year, anarchism the rest, etc.

    His book questions why the human political imagination lost it’s flexibility and contracted into a narrow orthodoxy that doesn’t come close to representing the range of the possible.

    I’m prepared to accept that a given moment in time, a particular society may be unprepared for democracy – but I think it’s plainly an urgent moral and spiritual imperative that such a society be put on the path towards freedom and democracy, and as soon as possible, trained and educated for freedom.

    Nor do I think democracy is the ideal – a far less hierarchical and more anarchist society is my ideal 🙂

    But I cannot accept, from a moral and spiritual perspective, that any human society is incapable of or unworthy of freedom, and is so vicious as to need to be permanently ruled by coercion.

    And while I admit there of course can be benevolent autocrats, it’s plainly a great evil and a great injustice to keep any people in a state of coercion indefinitely.

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  127. LatW says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path.

    I was talking about the elites, not the “youth” – I thought you were talking about the elites in your original post? And, btw, some of the elites are quite young. My point was that your example is not a good one because the Baltic States are a bit different than the rest of the EU in this regard in that a sizable portion of the elites (not all, but a sizable portion) are not connected to what you call the “high status ideology”. Yes, there is such a type who are trying to do that (similar to how back in the day, some tried to larp as “Germans”, we called them “willow Germans” – willow being a light flexible tree that bends easily or sways easily, they are looked down on, similarly, we now have “willow Anglos” or “willow Euros” – people who kiss up to the leading ideology but they are not the majority). One can be respectable and successful without adhering to this ideology.

    I’m not saying this won’t change at some point. But it is not the case now. It is different from the West that way. Again, for now.

    Also, looking further into the future, we do not know what will be the status of this ideology. What will be the status of the West. It doesn’t mean that other ideologies (those in the East) will become more appealing, everyone sees the duplicity of them (authoritarian at home but parking your money in the West or other safe places), besides the essence of those ideologies is not that appealing to begin with.

    It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off.

    The package deal is not “black and white”. The package deal is a parliamentary set up with everyone represented at the Euro Parliament and a pluralistic system. The package deal also respects local culture – this is emphasized in how languages are respected in the EU. You have a very one sided view of the EU. Remember also, if things get really bad – too compromising – there is a way out, it is not like the Soviet Union that way.

    You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military

    There is no “joy” in what is happening. This is a humanitarian catastrophe and a deep wound on the body of everyone who is post-USSR, that will not heal (or will take forever to heal). The scale of this was not expected. There is no “joy”, just dislike, worry and some minor fear.

    But, yes, that they moved the troops from Pskov to Ukraine might be a bit of a relief.

    Everyone is thinking, comprehensively, what can be done to make the future safer. There is no joy, the price for the Ukrainians is excruciatingly high. And it’s not even over.

    but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don’t speak to you anymore

    This will be neither the fault of Russia nor the West. This will be our own fault.

    Once again, thank you for your “kind hearted” concern, it is noted. Not that you guys don’t have similar problems and not that you have some “magical pill” to solve these problems.

  128. @War Observer

    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].

    LMAO – Konashenkov would have said that Russian air-defence intercepted 44 missiles fired from HIMARS you idiot, not that they destroyed 44 launch systems ( although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already).

    If you are going to propogate this mindless BS, surely you should at least check what he said – and what is entirely plausible/probable ( that they have intercepted 44 missiles from HIMARS, plus many more since then)

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter – lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.

    As for the Bradley IFV’s – I’m sure they were even displayed at the military EXPO in Moscow region.

    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin’s drab speech yesterday?

    His “drab” speech was mainly about social payments and new tax initiatives (as is usual for the address) – of course it should be “drab” to westerners watching you ridiculous cretin. He can’t exactly discuss SMO strategy and tactics in public
    As for the “failed Sarmat test” – only plankton like you could swallow typical American BS like that.

    Accept facts – Konashenkov NEVER lies . Ukronazi freaks can’t do anything but lie, and lie big you retard.

    My “favourite”, without being disrespectful to all the other extreme BS, is ukronazi freaks giving awards posthumously to Border Guard and Navy at Snake Island …..for one of them “heroically” saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself………even though he didn’t say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance……..even though they surrendered immediately!!!! As in typical ukronazi loser idiocy…..once it was established that all 80 of them were alive and surrendered immediately but were then released early in a prisoner swap…….they gave them the Hero of Ukraine medals anyway!!!!!!!!

  129. Yahya says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    this sense that only obedience and hierarchy makes possible coexistence, he shows has taken shape in historic times only, and previously, humans had much more expanded political imaginations that permitted all sorts of shifting, flexible arrangements, including hierarchy and obedience parts of the year, anarchism the rest, etc.

    Walter Bagehot in Physics & Politics states that hierarchy and obedience were necessary to scale from tribal structures into nascent forms of civilizational structures like city-states. Anarchism may be feasible for a small tribe of Indians; but what will it look like for a nation of 100 million people? I don’t think full-scale anarchism has been attempted by any modern nation; and it’s not because of a lack of imagination. We saw in the 20th century how almost half the world took up the radically experimental communist system; people are open to new ideas. But anarchism seems to be discouraged because of how unrealistic it is. The only instances of anarchism I can think of are inadvertent; viz. following state collapse; and the result is almost always negative. Consider the example of ISIS in Iraq and Syria; or the chaos of the post-Soviet collapse. I think they can legitimately be categorized as periods of anarchy; even if not in the form that anarchist tend to imagine or advocate.

    I’m open to the idea that anarchism could work better than present systems of political organization. But my conservative instincts tell me it won’t end well; may even be worse than communism. I’d have to see some strong empirical evidence to suggest the contrary.

    I’m prepared to accept that a given moment in time, a particular society may be unprepared for democracy – but I think it’s plainly an urgent moral and spiritual imperative that such a society be put on the path towards freedom and democracy, and as soon as possible, trained and educated for freedom.

    And while I admit there of course can be benevolent autocrats, it’s plainly a great evil and a great injustice to keep any people in a state of coercion indefinitely.

    I think the idea of democracy and freedom as moral imperative is a dangerous one. It gets you stuff like Iraq and Afghanistan. The emphasis should be on realism; and recognizing that different systems are appropriate for different circumstances. There is no one-size fits all; and the so-called march towards the end of history is an illusion.

    Democracy advocates tend to overdo their criticism of authoritarian systems. The image is always one of severe repression and suffocation of all forms of liberty. But having lived under both a democratic and authoritarian system; I can’t say my liberties were significantly different under the latter. I can still read books; move around as I like; go to the cinema; listen to music on my way to work etc. Most of the activities I cherish I am capable of doing under both systems. The only difference is that I don’t get to express my opinion in a newspaper; but since I’m not a journalist; that’s not much of a curtailment. I can vote in both systems, but my vote wouldn’t matter either way.

    I’d much rather be living in an authoritarian system with a GDP per capita of $50,000 than a democratic system with $10,000 of per capita income. The key factor is economic development, not form of government.

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  130. @LatW

    If smuta just limited to RusFed that would be half of problem, thing is that we have major smuta brewing quietly almost everywhere.

    Things fall apart, center cannot hold, and all that. Entropy is taking over.

    Who’s gonna keep paying for pension plans for our retirement LatW ?

    Who’s gonna help finance public debt ?

    The Algerian harraga racailles, Romani maques and the Nigerian scammers ?

    They’re not idiots…

    Third turning’s nearly done. We’re getting overdue for the fourth one.

    Major crisis is coming our way whenever we are.

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  131. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    The people who think that it can be reformed and changed are in my view naive – the stranglehold the assorted liberal and global business groups have on EU is unshakeable. The real problem is that there is no way back and the benefits of EU (there are still many) are hard to let go.

    Certainly gradual reform is not available. Working through EU institutions will be strangled by the elites, as you suggest.

    The potential save is a sudden, dramatic transformation. Multiple EU countries simply repudiate EU actions that conflict with national sovereignty. Imagine an collection of sovereign equals — Controversial ECJ/ECHR junior court rulings are treated with derision and then vetoed under the principle of national sovereignty.

    Brexit proved that a small country cannot leave the EU. They would be savaged. However, a group of countries within the EU can dramatically change the structure by defying the authoritarian liberals in Brussels.

    PEACE 😇

  132. @AnonfromTN

    The point I’m making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect – but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems – exploitative and oppressive and coercive – gain credibility and influence.

    Ultimately, of course I’d rather America shrink to just being an ordinary country – I’d like the whole stinking global system of capitalism to collapse lol 🙂

    In the meantime, one must choose the lesser of two evils.

    But really, one can simultaneously pray for the current American system to collapse as well as that of China and Russia – the whole world deserves to be free and happy.

  133. songbird says:

    Multi-faith dialogue doesn’t seem to help architecture any:

    [MORE]

    But at least it is not as bad as these:

  134. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory

    It’s like contract killing. Anyone with IQ greater than shoe size knows who ordered it.

    You are misunderstanding the application of IQ in this context.

    Everyone with a modicum of common sense realizes that the most likely scenario is that the NS events are accidents. Mistakes do last 17+ hours.

    There is a very special form of stupidity that plagues high-IQ individuals who have no relevant knowledge and then over reach. Jeffery Sachs is a perfect example of this. He is a competent economist who got virology 100% wrong.

    PEACE 😇

  135. LatW says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    It is an interesting case of “getting what you wished for” curing your illusions about the thing you desired – I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    We don’t want Russia, the Russians are not doing it right (and, yes, they have a different mentality). We want the benign 1930s autocracies of Central Europe (not Nazi Germany either, that’s another exaggeration). You grabbed the worst example and extrapolated on all of the right wingers. That’s not what we want. We would even be ok with a managed democracy, with elements of nationalism. It doesn’t have to be anything crazy. Nobody in today’s world is going to accept living under a “Leader”, but they will accept certain enforcements such as immigration control (and possibly a few other protectionist measures).

    And, btw, I have been the champion of what you posted above since day one. Let all those who admire Russia from a distance, actually go there, instead of trying to push Ukrainians and others into Russia’s arms. I think this should satisfy them.

  136. AP says:
    @Yahya

    Don’t know if you’ve watched Sokurov’s Russian Ark; but it’s readily available on Youtube with English subtitles for free:

    The Marquis de Custin features as the central character. As the narrator walks through the Hermitage; he encounters the haughty French aristocrat; who proceeds to condescendingly opine on Russian history and society. The commentary is quite banal and mediocre; for example when the Marquis opines that Russians admire their dictators because they are an Asiatic people; or that the orchestra they pass by couldn’t possibly be Russian; since the music they played was original, and Russian are only good for copying Europeans. From brief summaries of Custin’s book; this seems to be the thoughts he expressed in his book; but I must say that film is a very limited medium to muse philosophically on history or culture. The bite-sized thoughts are inevitably superficial; they are too constrained by the limited space for dialogue. But i’d recommend watching the movie just for the ride throughout the Hermitage; and the unique cinematography.

    It’s a brilliant movie but it’s brilliance can’t be really appreciated on a small screen. On a large screen it really has a hypnotic effect, transporting the viewer in time and place. I was fortunate to see it when it was released in theaters and afterwards for a few minutes I was in nearly a trance. As you correctly wrote, the dialogue was kind of irrelevant.

    Nowadays of course many people have home theaters so one needn’t wait for a film festival or something to see it.

    I watched another of Sokurov’s films; a recent one set in the Louvre; and i’d strongly discourage against watching it. It’s an uninspired copy of Russian Ark.

    His Moloch wasn’t bad.

    I agree with the rest of your comments.

  137. Wokechoke says:
    @LatW

    You’ll get niggers and like it.

  138. @Yahya

    Dammit, left you a long reply but my phone shut down 🙂 Too tired to retype, but basically –

    1) Based on recent discoveries that radically revise our understanding, pre-historic people’s actually did create seasonal cities as large and complex as anything in historic times yet without coercive political structures.

    So the scaling issue may not be determinative 🙂

    2) Imposing freedom suddenly on an unprepared population is self indulgent ideological extremism that prefers to gaze adoringly at its own exalted vision rather than make any concessions to a messy reality that requires gradual, sensitive, and nuanced measures.

    One must be morally educated.

    3) Agree that formal political structures like democracy may not always be the best indication of freedom. Hierarchy and inequality of wealth and power are the salient factors, as well as exploitation and oppression.

    There is some correlation between formal political structures and these conditions, but it is imperfect.

    Your experience is not necessarily representative as you are wealthy in your country. When I travel to poor countries my comparative wealth creates an experience of privilege that I am under no illusions is denied the average person there.

    4) I cannot agree that economic development is as important as you think. Wealthy countries often exhibit dissatisfaction and malaise, and strained social relations, despite economic development.

    Clearly, the spiritual environment has an enormous influence on people’s life satisfaction and the possibility of harmonious social interaction – and things like inequality, injustice, oppressive hierarchies, contribute to shaping the spiritual environment.

    That being said, I am sure there are countries that are freer than the West in significant ways without really being democratic – much of South East Asia strikes me as this way – but specifically, Russia and China are significantly more oppressive and exploitative than the West..

    Those political systems are not ones that one should desire to gain credibility at the expense of the West.

    That being said, one should pray for the whole rotten glass bal capitalist system to collapse 🙂

  139. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in January-September 2022, 12.78 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation, which is 3.5 million more than in the same period in 2021[2].

    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That’s a lot.

    Assuming something like one million young Russian men left to avoid being himars’ed (ok, this number is debatable, but it is at least hundreds of thousands apparently). Then the recent casualties of the war (possibly a 100K both killed and wounded, maybe more, as not all will be counted). Possibly others who left as early as January 2022.

    On the plus side (for Russia, I guess) – a large number of Ukrainians who fled to Russia or children who were trafficked into Russia (they say it is at least tens of thousands of children), overall refugees could be a large number.

    However, this is not 12 or almost 13M. That means the vast bulk of them are young Central Asians. Possibly others like Vietnamese, etc.

    Up to 2 million foreign citizens annually arrive in Moscow for the purpose of employment, of which 300-400 thousand are officially employed

    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It’s a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won’t be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.

    Русский мир

    Русский, indeed. My deepest condolences.

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  140. @Gerard1234

    although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already

    It does not appear that any have been destroyed on the battlefield. We certainly don’t have any photographic documentation of such

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  141. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I don’t believe it is possible for the Chinese or Russian systems to take hold in the United States. What would be much more likely is to see the US fracture into multiple separate nations. That would be ideal.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
  142. @LatW

    I don’t regard immigration controls as necessarily an autocratic measure, although honestly, in my ideal world, people would be allowed to go anywhere.

    There were no passports or border control before the First World war, you know. It was a freer world.

    But in today’s world, mass immigration is often a capitalist measure to keep wages down in some countries, to avoid developing and distributing wealth fairly in other countries, and in the current climate of deliberate stoking of racial tensions it’s incendiary.

    Still, though, my ideal society is heavily multi-cultural and multi-ethnic and multi-religious – kind of like those fascinating imperial cities in the dungeons and dragons books I used to read as a kid 🙂 I love variety and color and feel my world is expanded by the “other”, not threatened by it – but of course, it would have to be done with the encouragement of inter-group harmony and respect, the opposite of now.

    But I get that you’re an ethnic nationalist who disagrees with me. That’s fine.

    Fair enough, there are different types of right wingers. I had in mind specifically the alt-right that cheer on China and Russia, and generally seem like really odious people, and not just traditional conservative types. Traditional conservative types are far more sympathetic, even though I don’t count myself among their ranks.

    As for your vision, you want to sort of fine tune the precise level of autocracy, and that’s not terrible, but I wonder if that’s really possible as anything more than a temporary measure – in reality, nothing stays “static” for long, and the world is movement (one of the weaknesses of the fascist vision is it’s static nature. Not because this is undesirable, but because this is impossible). Spiritually and morally, I think there is an imperative to move towards ever greater equality and justice and non-coercion and freedom, but of course judiciously and with wisdom.

    But I understand that you have a different perspective on this.

    • Replies: @LatW
  143. A rally in Saratov to support the war in Ukraine on Defenders of the Fatherland day.

    Clearly far fewer than the 10,000 claimed (in a conurbation of 1.3m) but people who don’t assess the picture or just see it on tv will remember the 10,000. I’ve seen more for a market. The flag holders were clearly organized beforehand and with hangers on are a significant fraction of the crowd.

    https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2023/02/22/saratovskiy-miting-v-podderjky-prezidenta-i-svo-sobral-10-tysyach-chelovek.html

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    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    , @Wokechoke
  144. @QCIC

    Most modern pipelines would be better designed. These had no valves to shut off flow and no one tried to place emergency valves (surely standing by somewhere) after the accident.

    For my money Gazprom/Russia did it. Putin had been trying to push Germany to use NS2 not NS1. Gazprom went so far as to fake technical difficulties to NS1, stopping the gas flow to force Germany onto NS2. The Germans didn’t take the bait.

    Why? Using NS2 would have changed the terms and conditions of the contracts. Putin was still so sheltered from the reality of Russia’s war losses and sanctions environment that he was prioritizing NS2 as an issue. Blowing up the alternatives would have saved Gazprom from contractual liabilities. Using NS2 would have locked Germany in.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Wokechoke
  145. A123 says: • Website

    There is some good news. America sees the problem: (1)

    President Trump Warns America That Joe Biden, The State Dept and NATO are Putting us on The Brink of World War III

    President Donald Trump sends a warning to America that Joe Biden, his administration, and the foreign policy establishment in Washington DC, has positioned us on the brink of World War III. He’s right, and CTH will outline the data soon.

    …”a lot of people don’t see it, but I see it, and I’ve been right about a lot of things.”

    President Trump says in this video message that he see’s Joe Biden putting us into direct military conflict with Russia and it is likely to happen very quickly if someone does not intercede soon.

    Video and transcript in the article.

    Ultimately the U.S. House will lead the intervention. Not-The-President Biden lacks the authority to start a war. The funding is also unavailable.

    His own cabinet would suspend him as unfit for duty if the lobotomite tried to announce WW III.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/president-trump-warns-america-that-joe-biden-the-state-dept-and-nato-are-putting-us-on-the-brink-of-world-war-iii/

  146. @Greasy William

    That’s fine, but that happening in a world where China and Russia remain strong would leave the American statelets prey to very negative political and economic forces.

    The problem is you’re failing to see that America does not live in a vacuum, and others have aggressive and imperialistic tendencies. It’s wonderful to be “left alone”, but others may not let you. Moreover, people within these newly minted American states will naturally look to the successful large powers for political and economic inspiration, as humans do, and there are no shortage of people in America more than willing to recreate here structures of oppression and exploitation for their own benefit. No doubt, the large successful powers will be flattered at the imitation and gratified to assist them, and acting out of mere political prudence in helping multiply copies of their political structures around the globe.

    I suggest you haven’t really thought this through.

    The whole global system has to be reformed and experience a collapse, not one part of it, if there is going to be any genuine change. In the meantime, one has no choice but to choose the lesser of two evils – while never forgetting it is an evil, and that it too should collapse as part of the disappearance of the larger system of evil.

  147. Wokechoke says:
    @War Observer

    Prigozyn is being groomed by western coverage as a future warlord in the former RussianFederation.

  148. A123 says: • Website
    @Philip Owen

    Most modern pipelines would be better designed. These had no valves to shut off flow and no one tried to place emergency valves (surely standing by somewhere) after the accident.

    These were property designed pipelines with the required valves.

    Suddenly changing valve positions during an incident can easily make things worse. I would be unsurprised to learn that emergency operator action caused the NS2 event 17 hours after the first blowouts.

    Alas, we will never have a proper After Action Review because of the politics. There is likely much the industry could learn from understanding this complex accident.

    PEACE 😇

  149. @AnonfromTN

    Patently absurd. The verified equipment loss ratios published by Oryx may capture more Russian losses than Ukrainian but the difference will not be huge. They suggest something over 3 Russian losses to one Ukrainian at teh quipment level. It’s unlikely infantry will be very different.

    This is graphical using Oryx numbers as well as many other sources. To some extent, Russia lost more because they had more to start with.

    https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  150. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    “The point I’m making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect – but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems – exploitative and oppressive and coercive – gain credibility and influence.“

    While I disagree that the Russian and/or Chinese systems would take root in America, I do agree that the political outcome of a defeat at their hands would not necessarily be for the better. North Korea getting bombed to rubble in the 1950’s resulted in their country becoming more autocratic, not less. Likewise, a military defeat might merely encourage the U.S. to turn their security infrastructure inwards instead of outwards.

    • Agree: HeavilyMarbledSteak
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  151. Wokechoke says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    The Rus have tried it all.

    Every fad.

    Time to strike hard and fast.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
  152. @Philip Owen

    And what /who is Oryx owned by? He, who pays the musicians, calls the tune.

    If what you (or your Oryx) say were even remotely true, the war would not still be going on the territory Ukraine claims as its own, with Ukrainian troops losing position after position.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    , @AP
  153. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Likewise, a military defeat might merely encourage the U.S. to turn their security infrastructure inwards instead of outwards.

    It’s already turned inwards. Remember hundreds of political prisoners held on the pretext of Jan 6? Even though the only violent act on that day on Capitol Hill was a government thug murdering an unarmed woman.

    • Agree: Greasy William
  154. @LatW

    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That’s a lot.

    No it’s not a typo. Yes it’s very high.

    According to the quantitative characteristics of the incoming migration flow to Russia, the official data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for 2016–20176 indicate an average value of 15 million people per year. And this is only in terms of the number of registrations with the migration service. Not all of them stay in the country year-round, but the total share of migrants from abroad, annually present in the country at any given time, is at least 8%[7] of the population of Russia. The overwhelming majority of such migrants are labor migrants who make out their stay in the Russian Federation for short periods, often continuously over and over again. Taking into account the volume of illegal migrants, whose number even officials estimate with a surprising range of 2.6 to 8–10 million people [8], it is impossible to determine the actual number of migrants.

    [MORE]

    По количественным характеристикам миграционного въездного потока в Россию официальные данные МВД РФ за 2016–2017 гг.6 свидетельствуют о средней величине в 15 млн человек в год. И это только по количеству постановки на учет в миграционной службе. Не все они находятся в стране круглогодично, но общая доля мигрантов из-за рубежа, ежегодно присутствующая в стране в каждый момент времени, составляет не менее 8%[7] населения России. Подавляющее большинство таких мигрантов трудовые, оформляющие свое пребывание в РФ на короткие сроки, часто непрерывно раз за разом. С учетом объема нелегальных мигрантов, численность которых даже официальные лица оценивают с удивительным по размаху диапазоном от 2,6 до 8–10 млн человек [8], определить фактическую численность мигрантов невозможно.

    https://www.vshouz.ru/journal/2018-god/demograficheskiy-vyzov-rossii-ratsionalnye-resheniya-i-gotovnost-sistemy-obshchestvennogo-zdorovya/

    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It’s a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won’t be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.

    They rotate, but the overall proportion of the Central Asian migrants is getting higher every year. Pavel Priannikov had provided some very worrying statistics on his Telegram channel about this and the Russian demographics in general.

    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14730
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14750
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14751

    More than 20 million migrants in Russia. Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.

    Всё идёт по плану…

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    , @LatW
    , @QCIC
  155. @Wokechoke

    Yes we tried it all, and we’re tired. Can we have some peace for once ? For a change ? I truly wish we could…

  156. Wokechoke says:
    @Philip Owen

    In Wales the sheep outnumber the humans 3 to 1.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    , @A123
  157. @Ivashka the fool

    Can’t find the link atm, but even according to official stats, number of ethnic Russians in RF went down from 115 to 105 million during last decade, so assuming overall official population at 147 million, there are roughly 29% non-Russians in RF now.

    Usually historically big internal problems started when number of ethnic Russiants went down towards 50% in empire, both in tzarist and soviet editions.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  158. @LatW

    Currently 90% or even more, 95-97% of the Russian military is active on the Ukrainian front.

    How much of a serial bag of excrement do you have to be to believe that stupid nonsense you idiot?

    According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.

    I hope those cubs are salvaged and don’t have to go into combat. Not now, not in the next 100 years.

    That’s 900000 new boys/men a year, which is 1.8-1.9 million births each year in Russia. America is about 3.6 million births a year with at least 2 times the population – there is nothing wrong with this………..so WTF is the point is your point you dumb retarded gutterslag?

    We have received at least 5 million Ukrainians in the last year you dumb POS, in addition to millions more on liberated territories. That’s 8 million East Slavs, new Russians. That alone makes the SMO a huge success in history…..that’s before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.

    Russia is very lucky that she only has physical challenges on the Western flank. Imagine if Russia had active enemies in the East and in the South?

    Is this pitiful dumbfuck projection that , “Russia is very lucky that China and India aren’t midget scumbag losers with massive inferiority problems who have contributed zero to humanity like the Baltics and Poland, constantly whoring for war “( and losing like the insignificant POS’s that they are)?

    Russia is “lucky” that despite heroic success in defeating at least once every century for the last 500 years of western scum trying to making us extinct……..that China are sane, peaceful nation for most of the millenium?
    Does the issue about lack of men of fighting age apply to Japan you stupid retard, LMAO?!!!!

    Could that statement of idiocy be a result of your psychosis caused by being a a lowlife in Latvian “education” system, where the heroic achievement of Soviet Union in GPW is considered “only” because Japan didn’t attack? LMAO

    Forgetting about the scale of the achievement in defeating Nazi Germany, and even forgetting what I am sure was an implication about Japan in GPW that satisfies severely retarded Baltic revisionists……..Soviet army did annihilate Japan you idiot, which probably is main reason US dropped nuclear bomb on Japan twice . Strategically of course Japan was already defeated by western and eastern allies before Soviet intervention, but Japan had more than enough potential to give serious defence on own territory for over a year more at least.

    I notice zero concerns about the lack of Ukrainian men of fighting age – typical for a piece of trash wanting as many of them sacrificed for the sake of anti-Russian fantasies of some clown from some nothing country

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
  159. Mikel says:
    @Beckow

    Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain?

    Well, yes.

    Spanish law only requires one Spanish grandparent to be able to claim Spanish nationality. There are many millions who qualify all over Latin America and elsewhere, including the Philippines. Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century. This was an act of somewhat belated repentance for that injustice. My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.

    As far as I can see, the rest of the Western European countries with an imperial past, and even some without it, are following similar policies. So you guys should clearly understand what the situation is. If Slovakia’s aspirations when it joined the EU are fulfilled and it becomes as prosperous as Germany or Scandinavia, lots of exotic people are likely and totally entitled to migrate to your lands. Some of them will only be European citizens because your Western partners felt ashamed of their history in past centuries.

    But I’m not sure it’s Westerners you should blame if that comes to pass. They’re just going through their own issues but you always had the chance of electing leaders like Orban and form an alliance to defend EE values before Brussels manages to put order in the rebel Hungarian province. Pour encourager les autres.

  160. @Greasy William

    It does not appear that any have been destroyed on the battlefield. We certainly don’t have any photographic documentation of such

    There has been plenty. Mainly in the form of incinerated MATV’s – which more than strongly implies HIMARS – as identifying the destroyed complex it was carrying is difficult of course , although even then there is imagery/video that proves it was HIMARS not other MLRS. Of those targeted in its hangars or other shelter – there has been wreckages shown in Donbass and Kharkov.

    • Thanks: Greasy William
  161. @Gerard1234

    that’s before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.

    It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    , @Gerard1234
  162. @Philip Owen

    Clearly far fewer than the 10,000 claimed (in a conurbation of 1.3m) but people who don’t assess the picture or just see it on tv will remember the 10,000

    Clearly far more than 10000 you mentally retarded worthless bag of shit.
    Patriotic events in Saratov are always well supported you idiot.
    In addition to the very large crowd size…….its obvious from the photos and video that it was extremely cold there yesterday – Minus 18c. How many scandinavian faggots would attend a patriotic event during a war in even Minus 1 you idiot?

    For sure, you’re a 70 year old incel loser, and habitual liar.

    • Replies: @Jazman
  163. @Mikel

    My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.

    I guess it’s doable.

    Ils avaient leur organisation hiérarchique officielle reconnue par l’Etat ; connue sous le nom de « Niqabat al-Andaloussyine », avec des biens et des Houbous (Fonds Communs) voués à l’éducation de leurs enfants, et aux mariages de leurs jeunes gens. Ils avaient même leurs écoles et hôpitaux et tout ce qui leur faut pour vivre une vie honorable dans un pays frère. Ils avaient même leurs quartiers à Alger, et ils étaient majoritaires à la Casbah.

    Around 30 – 40 % of pre-colonial families of Algiers were of Morisco / Andalusian descendent. Probably more in Oran and Tlemcen, and even higher still in some Moroccan urban centers.

    Certaines familles andalouses ont gardé leurs noms de famille andalous, entre autres : Qortbi, Qortbaoui, Lahmar, Bou’abdalli, S’aidouni, Chebili, Zaidouni, Zanoun, etc.

    https://hoggar.org/2006/08/08/les-andalous-dalgerie-un-cas-comateux-ou-une-cause-oubliee/

    Also:

    L’antisémitisme désigne à la fois l’hostilité aux juifs et aux musulmans. Tout souverainiste n’est pas antisémite. Tout antisémite n’est pas souverainiste. Mais il l’est devenu souvent aujourd’hui.

    https://www.attali.com/societe/derriere-le-souverainisme-se-cache-trop-souvent-la-haine-des-musulmans/

    Ça promet…

    😏

    • Thanks: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
  164. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.

    H0w amny Slavs would be an interesting question. Especially under 40.

    p.s. This Pryannikov guy is really good, thanks for the recommendation.

    • Replies: @S
  165. QCIC says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.

    It is not about optics in the West.

    I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them. Once this brutal task is complete, they will reach an agreement if Kiev has not already capitulated.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    , @AP
  166. QCIC says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Maybe this war is all about reviving the big family in Russia?

    The men come home from fighting the good fight and have 6 kids each. Have 2 more for your fallen comrades!

    The meme: Replace your self-centered PTSD with the sound of 8 screaming (and laughing) kids….

  167. @QCIC

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.

    I believe neither Russian, nor Ukrainian people need to fight this war.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    Somebody else does…

    (You can find the pdf of the article online).

    And yeah, according to Martin Armstrong, who was citing “his sources in Ukraine”, Russian army has already killed and maimed more than 250 000 Ukrainian combatants.

    • Replies: @QCIC
  168. @QCIC

    From personal experience, 4 kids were enough to take care of my own PTSD, 8 kids is unfortunatelly over the top for most modern men. Although I once had a nice talk with an Ashkenazi Haredi Rabbi who had 16 children.

    Seriously though, the birthrate of ethnic Russians is rather low and is falling even further since the Covid epidemics started. Also, recent polling indicates that young Russians are being less inclined to have children since the beginning of war.

    Eastern Slavs don’t need even more abysmal demographics. Somebody else does…

  169. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    In America: (1)

    In 2020, the number of all chickens in the United States totaled around 518.3 million.

    So, if each chicken is 3/5 of a human for U.S. House representation….. OOOooo….

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.statista.com/statistics/196028/total-number-of-all-chickens-in-the-us-since-2000/

    • Replies: @songbird
  170. LatW says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I don’t regard immigration controls as necessarily an autocratic measure

    Stricter ones than now would be considered “autocratic”, but I agree that they should not be regarded as such.

    although honestly, in my ideal world, people would be allowed to go anywhere.

    Why, of course, they would.

    There were no passports or border control before the First World war, you know. It was a freer world.

    In some ways, it was definitely freer, but also less compact and “squeezed together” than now. We all know how much smaller the world got. Although I’m not fully sure there was no “border control”. That’s something I doubt.

    Still, though, my ideal society is heavily multi-cultural and multi-ethnic and multi-religious – kind of like those fascinating imperial cities in the dungeons and dragons books I used to read as a kid 🙂 I love variety and color and feel my world is expanded by the “other”, not threatened by it – but of course, it would have to be done with the encouragement of inter-group harmony and respect, the opposite of now.

    One can experience plenty of such in today’s world in places such as London, what with all their multi-ethnic food courts, etc. And there are many such mixed, colorful places in the world. I wouldn’t say there is a lack of such, if one wants to indulge.

    I had in mind specifically the alt-right that cheer on China and Russia, and generally seem like really odious people

    I agree, these people are complete hypocrites, I saw that on day one when I first encountered the alt-right. And I say this as someone who likes Russia and would do well there (under certain circumstances).

    As for your vision, you want to sort of fine tune the precise level of autocracy, and that’s not terrible, but I wonder if that’s really possible as anything more than a temporary measure

    It can be a permanent measure or at least work long term. Highly controlled migration, no public funding for scandalous contemporary “art” projects, no formal gay marriage, even some control over predatory financial institutions, etc. Nothing too extreme or oppressive. It could easily go on for a long time.

    Spiritually and morally, I think there is an imperative to move towards ever greater equality and justice and non-coercion and freedom, but of course judiciously and with wisdom.

    Freedom is very important and freedom is worth fighting for. There would be freedom under my model, but also order and responsibility. And of course equality, everyone should be middle class, with only a few exceptions. The elite should serve the people. There could be even more freedom than in a multi-cultural neoliberal society, our current societies are not always even that free.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
  171. Mikel says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    I guess it’s doable.

    If this kind of thing is doable, then it will be done in due time.

    As you know from your time in France, these days these laws are passed based on emotions. I actually know very well why the Sephardic Jews were given a blanket right to Spanish nationality. It’s because some of them managed to keep speaking an old form of Spanish centuries after being expelled from the Iberian peninsula. You still find small communities of Jews that speak their version of Spanish (Ladino iirc) in places like Turkey or Israel itself. For years the Spanish TV would go on and on about this. I guess these poor people maintained their old speech because they never could assimilate to the places they settled in more than due to a sense of belonging to the country that expelled them. But the Spanish legislators interpreted things their own way.

    Based on the information you provide here, I’m sure plenty of people must be working on extending the same right to the the other victims of the Alhambra Decree. The problem is that Spain, like the rest of Southern Europe, is already receiving lots of undocumented Maghrebis and they are actually one of the groups with the highest rate of assimilation problems so tptb must be waiting for more propicious times.

    Once Western European countries get Californized with several generations of immigrants of all origins living there and constituting a sizeable, if not a majority, of the population, further immigration trends look likely to accelerate, rather than decline.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  172. songbird says:
    @A123

    In 2020, the number of all chickens in the United States totaled around 518.3 million.

    Egg layers, maybe? But not broilers, of which there were nearly 10 billion hatched in the US that year.

    https://sentientmedia.org/number-of-chickens-in-the-us/
    (I think they use government stats)

    • Replies: @QCIC
  173. QCIC says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    I meant “need” in the sense the opponents have been selected to fight and certain things need to occur before the fight ends.

    It seems ground rules have been accepted within or above the governments for a long time. I have no idea how this really works and would probably find it upsetting if I knew. My thoughts on the SMO are only informed by a tiny knowledge of a few small aspects of the conflict.

    Within this game, I suspect that Russia will fight, Ukraine will fight and lose. Ukraine will be recombined with Russia in a manner that could be good in the long run, but who really knows? The angry armed resistance which the West has carefully grown makes any civil solution impossible so these men must die to make way for the next phase. I doubt the planners of the conflict expected this, but would not be shocked to find out that everything was intentional.

    I don’t know if Putin is part of the high level diabolical maneuvering. He might be or may simply be trying to deal with it as best he can. He seems genuinely intelligent and articulate and approximately watching out for the Russia people, given all sorts of caveats. Sadly, there has been no US President in my lifetime who could live up to those standards, so if nothing else his existence helps me see how things “might be” with a “world leader”. I respect what he appears to be, even though I don’t know enough to establish if this image is factual. Of course many see all bad there and some of that may be true.

  174. QCIC says:
    @songbird

    Based on this comment and your user name, I’m now having flashbacks to Alfred Hitchcock’s movie The Birds.

    Go Tippy! Go Susie!

    • Replies: @songbird
  175. Jazman says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Unironically quoting Oryx is a bad form.
    These cretins presented one Russian tank as twenty tanks just because Kiev regime moved that one slightly and photoed from different angle.
    And,of course,anything questionable is destroyed Russian tank,which is especially laughable when they presented photos of T-64s in the first two weeks and stuff.
    And then there were attempts to present debris of obviously Kiev regime trash like T-72 AMTs as Russian T-90s of all things…
    Oryx lies.BY DEFAULT.
    It’s not open source,it’s as far from intelligence is possible,it’s classic black propaganda piece.
    Problem here,of course,is that Oryx is a lying propaganda piece that has been caught lying more times that I care to count.
    Another example : The final question regarding Ukraine’s tanks, is where are all the captured Russian tanks? According to Oryx Ukraine has captured over 500 functional Russian tanks including nearly 200 T-72B3 tanks. Ukrainian tank brigade seemingly have around 60 tanks, so shouldn’t they be able to field at least 3 tank brigades with T-72B3 tanks? Plus another 5 brigades with other captured tanks. Yet, I have not seen a single formation of captured Russian tanks in service.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Philip Owen
  176. songbird says:
    @QCIC

    Think I have only seen bits of it, but I recall this:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
  177. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    If what you (or your Oryx) say were even remotely true, the war would not still be going on the territory Ukraine claims as its own, with Ukrainian troops losing position after position.

    If Ukrainian troops were losing “position after position” then now, a year into the war, Russia would control more than 15% of Ukraine which is less than the 20% they had controlled earlier.

  178. QCIC says:
    @songbird

    I don’t know what that means,

    but Tippy Hedren and Suzanne Pleshette looked great in the movie. Forget about the damn birds.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @songbird
  179. Jazman says:
    @Gerard1234

    Philip Owen presenting drug-induced hallucinations as facts.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  180. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @LatW

    Not that you guys don’t have similar problems

    China implemented mass internment in at least 2017-18 to get Uighurs to join the common social fabric. Levels of immigration to China are very low. The large numbers of students from the rest of the developing world in China find it difficult to stay after graduation. The racial demographics of China are not changing.

    not that you have some “magical pill” to solve these problems.

    Orban and China have figured out a solution: Fudan University in Budapest. Orban knows he can’t trust white people in education. Once Orban is retired from politics whatever institution he creates in education will rot because it will be the focal point of progressive efforts. Therefore a prestigious Chinese university needs to be built in every European country that wishes to preserve national sovereignty against malign progressive forces seeking to bring in mass immigration from outside of Europe. The Chinese university will be a safe space for the bright minds of a country to get an engineering and science education without cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
  181. Mikhail says: • Website

    Great discussion with a former CIA analyst and Johns Hopkins professor:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  182. Mikhail says: • Website
    @QCIC

    Fan of the original Bob Newhart show.

  183. Beckow says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    …common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won’t die for their cause

    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan… thinking it would be a ‘cake walk‘? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1

    tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their “weak” adversaries

    I am not sure what that means, it sounds clever but meaningless. In this war, the West expected Russia to collapse economically – they didn’t, is that autism? Now they think that Kiev will win on the battlefield, also autism? Russia thought that most Ukies wouldn’t fight – but they do fight and die, who is autistic in that equation?

    None of this changes anything: stronger force in its own region is facing a weaker adversary supported by the West, but the West won’t come in and fight…

    If your point is that Europeans would fight in Ukraine, I disagree. Maybe the Poles, Romanians, Balts, and a few mercenaries like now. But the Germans, Dutch, French, Italians, etc… would not go to die in the Ukie fields. More would fight if their own borders were crossed – but how is that in the realm of possible? Who seriously believes that Russia wants a land war with EU? It would go nuclear…

    With your level of thinking I am not sure anyone can help you – you live in your stereotypes. And you talk about blind spots, precious :)…

  184. S says:
    @LatW

    In the other thread, LatW, you were attempting to resolve the riddle of the Scots. You’d also mentioned your Scottish in origin woman friend and her personality characteristics.

    Were you were aware that the Scots have high testosterone levels? Certainly the men do, and I can only presume the women do as well.

    Below is an excerpt (with link) to an article about high testosterone in women. It matches up pretty well with your description of your lady friend.

    ‘Competitive and social dominance are correlated to testosterone levels. “Although they can get along with others, [women with high testosterone] don’t hesitate to rise to the challenge and compete when the situation warrants it,” says Sweeton. “Others may view them as a leader, and a person they can turn to for guidance when a situation is unclear or a problem is particularly challenging.”

    https://www.bustle.com/p/if-you-have-these-7-personality-traits-you-might-have-high-levels-of-testosterone-9185973

    As an aside, below is a clip from the Scotploitation flick Trainspotting. In between the subtle promotion of the degeneracy of heroin use and addiction, some hard truths about Scotland’s actual situation is spoken aloud between 1:14 -1:50.

    I’d swear, a major draw of the film for many was simply having the opportunity to hear an abundance of the Scottish brogue spoken, a brogue which is indeed music to the ears. 🙂

    [MORE]

    Scottish brogue to English translation, if needed. 🙂

  185. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.

    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Those who disagree with this ideology tend to focus on its excesses and never focus on the excesses of the ideology they would prefer in its place. This allows them to delude themselves that they are actually smarter and more accomplished, when really they’re just biased.

    Yes, the fact that it is high status is helpful, but it is high status because it is (relatively) high quality. Those who do not understand this fail for the same reason that black people blaming their lack of economic productivity on white supremacy fail. They engage in magical thinking. They think to themselves “the only reason this thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like does not succeed is because the thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like fails.” This is stupid on the face of it, but they contort themselves in knots to avoid the obvious.

    If something is dominant over you or you are jealous of it, start with the assumption that it is better than you and work on improvement, rather than dismissing it as crazy.

    That assumption may end being wrong, but it is better than what most people do.

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour, whereas those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea that kind of sort of looks like it might be flattering to them.

    Basically, if something is doing well and you’re not, criticising it is generally just a way of Futher criticising yourself. If those successful people are totally stupid, what does that make you?

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there. Then steal it. And school yard negs like “it is just high status” only serve to delude you and yours, giving you pseudo understanding and ensuring that you forever miss the actually high quality points, so can’t learn from them.

    [MORE]

    And if you read these paragraphs as some sort of affirmation of Woke excesses, that is because you have cognitive problems.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  186. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC

    This type of cope may accurately be described as Satanic.

    • Replies: @QCIC
  187. @Gerard1234

    although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already

    Any photographic proof? None so far has been produced.

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter – lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.

    Winter is still ongoing… The mobilized at Makiivka vocational school 19 certainly found out the usefulness of HIMARS at 1 minute past New Years…

    for one of them “heroically” saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself………even though he didn’t say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance……..even though they surrendered immediately!!!!

    How is the Cruiser Moskva doing these days?

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  188. Wokechoke says:
    @QCIC

    nah, shove the darkies into the combat zone. Tartars, Slants etc. Conserve the white boys for technical fields like repair and electronic warfare.

  189. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    On imitating the rich and successful.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/miamis-billionaire-bunker-is-a-high-security-island-that-has-a-13-person-police-force-for-its-42-residents-a-real-estate-agent-got-me-past-the-guardhouse-heres-what-the-exclusive-community-looks-like/articleshow/69270651.cms

    “It’s been called the “Billionaire Bunker” and one of the “wealthiest, private, most secure communities in Miami Beach and the world.” Indian Creek is a village of just 42 people on a tiny private island in Miami’s Biscayne Bay. Its “Billionaire Bunker” nickname stems from its wildly wealthy and high-profile residents, including billionaire investor Carl Icahn, supermodel Adriana Lima, and Spanish singer Julio Iglesias.”

    Rich and successful…

    “The island’s 42 residents are protected by a private 13-person police force that patrols the perimeter from the water and by land.”

    4:1 resident:police ratio. Heavily armed exclusivity is a trait of the very rich and powerful, don’t be fooled by what these residents say in public about social justice.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  190. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Beckow

    Maybe up to 12,000 Polish KIA in Ukraine’s Commie drawn boundary.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  191. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mikhail

    Sorry, make that perhaps up to 2,500 Polish KIA, with Russia’s in the 12K to 20K range and the Kiev regime’s now said to be somewhere between 100K-150K.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
  192. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour

    You have this 180° backwards. Or, you are looking at 40-50 years ago. I am not sure which.

    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual. Tapping “centuries of human intellectual endeavour” means valuing the contribution of white male patriarchs. In the U.S. many of them owned slaves.

    This bit of open racism is promoted by today’s progressives.

    The country where something was banned in half of it was built by the banned thing? Umm… No. And, the part of the country that did the banned thing was the less developed part. Industrial progress occurred else where. The message is dishonest, anti-intellectual, and illogical.

    those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization. Topics eschewed by modern day progressives. In the historical sense of the word, the traditionalists are the ‘liberals’ with well rounded education & knowledge.

    By defention every political platform must be straightforward and have wide appeal. MAGA is a necessary & unifying symbol of dissent, not the intellectual core.

    most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.

    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider. The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Go back 50 years — Companies used to run anti discrimination efforts to improve productivity. They also helped avoid legal actions.

    Today — Being openly normal now generates HR events. I am in a Red State, yet because I work for a largish company, I have to self censor to retain my job. There is a punch card of anti-intellectual progressive things that must be marked complete as part of each annual performance review. Fortunately, some of the tasks can be cleverly subverted.

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality. It is Aesop’s ‘The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs’ Fable.

     

     

    How does an ESG score help anyone? This is not a small number of extremists. A broad segment of woke society wants to make this the law of the land. What I and others do is extremely hard. Progressives do not want to learn from that example.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  193. @china-russia-all-the-way

    The Chinese university will be a safe space for the bright minds of a country to get an engineering and science education without cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    And they would learn writing the 14 Words in Chinese…

    我們必須確保我們人民的生存和白人兒童的未來

    That’s an 88th level of trolling.

    Admirable…

    😏

  194. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Wokechoke

    Yes, allowing yourself to build a few follies here and there is the least you can do for yourself. Even if those follies need only be figurative. Go out and take risks!

  195. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    Another roundtable where the very astute “Independent Political analyst” Mike Averko was not invited to attend? You seem to be losing your luster, Mickey…

  196. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123

    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.

    The university is full of people under the injunction of “be intellectual.” Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to “intellectual.”

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.

    Who? I don’t see many who surpass wearing claims of such grounding as more than a skinsuit for their neuroses. And no more than handful seem to have an understanding of what they claim to.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.

    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history…

    It is more complex than what you present.

    How does an ESG score help anyone?

    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don’t make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @A123
  197. Beckow says:
    @Mikhail

    …perhaps up to 2,500 Polish KIA

    Perhaps, but maybe not…how many are also Ukies who lived in Poland?

    Poland is divided: fanatical noisy Russo-phobes, normal people with attitudes similar to French-Italians…and, as always, a large middle group (50%+) waiting to see how it goes.

    How many are willing to actually fight in Ukraine? The proof of the pudding is in eating it…Like our resident fire-eaters – AP, Mr.Hacks, Shadow-guy – how many will risk their skin for the glorious causes of Ukraine-in-Nato, banning the Russian-language, and the ever favorite: conquer and dismantle the damn Russians once and for all!!!

    My guess is a lot fewer than are posturing and yelling right now.

  198. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    …Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history…

    You are right, it is huuuge! But more like a huge pile of sh..t, piled high and deep…

    Your narcissism betrays insecurity. You are grasping for straws… footnotes! yeah, that’s how we spot an intellectual…how about PowerPoint skills? Pile it on, it is amusing to watch the collapse…

    Not that there is much better stuff elsewhere, but after this pile of sh..t is gone something is bound to appear…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  199. @LatW

    I agree, I wouldn’t force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn’t want it.

    While I think an extreme alt-right state that is hostile to and humiliates and even engages in violence against foreigners should become an international pariah and be subject to pressure, a merely conservative, traditional state that wants to largely retain it’s demographics and culture, but is also capable of welcoming foreigners to a limited extent and doesn’t excessively repress alternative lifestyles and points of view is something that it is perfectly possible to coexist with.

    In short, I’d be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal, but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah 🙂 (and would)

    In non extreme cases, any social change that I favor should be encouraged in non-coercice ways – even seductive ways, if you understand what I mean (not in a sinister way lol, but an honest, open way). If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it’s inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.

    And at the end of the day, not every society needs to come down precisely on the same social arrangements on different metrics, and there ought to be room for genuinely different visions of the good life provided one avoids obvious large scale injustice, cruelty, and evil.

    It can be a permanent measure or at least work long term. Highly controlled migration, no public funding for scandalous contemporary “art” projects, no formal gay marriage, even some control over predatory financial institutions, etc. Nothing too extreme or oppressive. It could easily go on for a long time

    .

    I don’t seriously object to any of this, even if they aren’t my preferred social arrangements exactly (although I am 100% with you on banning socially predatory finance!), and as long as they don’t spill over eventually into outright repression against gays or cruelty to foreigners (and there is no reason they need to).

    My only point is that it is a “static” vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it’s vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

    But this is just a general philosophical remark that you are free to reject or take to heart, and at the end of the day, it’s your society and within rather broad moral latitudes you should have the freedom to make your own choices.

    And of course equality, everyone should be middle class, with only a few exceptions. The elite should serve the people. There could be even more freedom than in a multi-cultural neoliberal society, our current societies are not always even that free.

    I probably agree with this in it’s entirety 🙂

    • Replies: @LatW
  200. AP says:
    @QCIC

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight… I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them

    Here we have meticulous and bloodthirsty R1b culture in full display. Beasts like QCIC see a need for maximum Slavic deaths.

    • Replies: @QCIC
  201. @Beckow

    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan… thinking it would be a ‘cake walk‘? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1…

    Yes, the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it’s own failed adventures across the globe.

    The West always thinks it’s materialism and nihilism are just so stupendous and appealing that everyone else will rush to adopt the moment they free them from the malign forces preventing them from doing so. Look at Leaves No Shadows.

    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it’s painful and requires sacrifice. And I think this is a blind spot that comes from the particular mentality that is always impressed by the “decadence” of liberal countries, and habitually falls into this particular mistake.

    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Sean
    , @Beckow
  202. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.

    The university is full of people under the injunction of “be intellectual.” Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to “intellectual.”

    We may actually be close to agreeing here.

    My definition of “intellectual” requires engaging in thoughtful consideration.

    Mindless footnoting and dogmatic, uncritical regurgitation is “anti-intellectual”. No longer having any sort of voice at all is the paragon of anti-intellectual outcomes.

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.

    Who? I don’t see many

    I suspect you live in a prog area. Because of cancel culture they are all around you, but you do not see them. They have to be careful … as CR put it … To preserve pretense:

    …necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.

    Because the Fake Stream Media is a dogmatic progressive institution, big breakthrough names like Newt Gingrich cannot be repeated today. So, if you are asking “Who is the new Gingrich?” You are posing an invalid question, based on a poor assumption.

    As a necessity, anti-prog dissident intellectual thought leadership is diffuse. There is no easily targeted Newt Gingrich figure. That is a strength not a weakness.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.

    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history

    Your choice of “representing” was a subtle admission. Current day progs are rarely creating. They had the privilege of inheritance, and are squandering it. The future desired by progressives is one where human capital becomes depleted. And, they will rejoice that poorer people have smaller carbon footprints.

    Workers will also have less physical security and be in much more personal danger.

      

    Look up how much worse crime has gotten in Chicago and Philadelphia. On top of that consider the rampant destruction in prog cities like Portland and Minneapolis.

    One cannot separate modern, grievance based progressivism from woke extremism. The first makes the second inevitable.

    How does an ESG score help anyone?

    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don’t make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.

    Clearly, I was not talking about emotional state. The proposition is ESG as commercial regulation. (1)

    The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) recently released its 2023 Regulatory Agenda, which outlines another ambitious year of environmental, social, and governance (ESG) rulemaking under Chair Gensler. According to the agenda, the SEC plans to finalize 29 rules throughout the year and propose an additional 23 rules or amendments.

    While these rules will impact many aspects of the U.S.’s financial markets and its investors, three rules that are expected to be finalized will significantly change how firms interact with ESG issues. This includes finalization of rules that would require publicly traded companies to disclose various types of greenhouse gas emissions, restrict which funds can include ESG-related terms in the fund’s name, and require investment advisers and investment companies to provide greater transparency and disclosures about how ESG factors are considered in investment strategies.

    If you want to address the question I asked, consider it in this form — In America, how does ESG reduce the cost of whatever widgets are being produced?

    I get to see some of the energy bills where we are paying 300%+ more for “green” electricity. And, there are government subsidies on top of that. The failed concepts of industrial wind & solar increase the cost of energy and thus diminish the standard of living in a material sense.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.acaglobal.com/insights/sec-plans-finalize-esg-related-rules-2023

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  203. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow

    Yes, the narcissist is the person who recognises things bigger than them and the person who dismisses everything as sh*t, so as not to have to do this, obviously is very balanced and reasonable.

    Please learn to distinguish between you wanting something to “collapse” and it actually being about to.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  204. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Not intentionally, but I see your point.

    I think war is satanic and the claimed motivations on all sides never quite seem adequate to explain what is going on.

  205. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123

    If you want to address the question I asked, consider it in this form — In America, how does ESG reduce the cost of whatever widgets are being produced?

    You seem to be arguing with the very idea of a luxury product, which is ok, as far as a general theme towards practical considerations goes, but luxury consumption is not a symptom of something awful. Instead, it usually the opposite. An imperfect sign of success, health and quality.

    No longer having any sort of voice at all is the paragon of anti-intellectual outcomes.

    Ok, so we have differing definitions in this instance, but please don’t get confused by your definitions and come to think that rambling incoherently without any knowledge or education is therefore superior, or any more of having a voice.

    Also, I asked you to name some people who were true intellectuals by your definition. It doesn’t seem that you’ve done this, but instead went off on one about progressives again, thereby demonstrating my point.

    • Replies: @A123
  206. QCIC says:
    @AP

    I reject your insult. I comment here in my own tiny effort to stop the war by discussing issues which people would rather ignore.

    Sadly, the conflict has a life of its own. My post is offering a notion of what may be required for the beast (the war) to die a natural death.

    I think people who share your views have created this travesty.

    Great job, morons.

  207. @Jazman

    Philip Owen presenting drug-induced hallucinations as facts.

    Drug effects wear off. Mental defects do not. There is Russian saying “only the grave can straighten a hunchback”.

    • LOL: Gerard1234, Jazman
  208. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.

    Now, that’s likely the most intelligent statement on this thread.

  209. @Mikel

    Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century.

    Anybody take them up on it? This looks like the silliest PR move conceivable.

    Who holds the world record for ancient apologies? On April Fool’s Day the Greek parliament could apologize to the Turks for wiping out Troy.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  210. songbird says:
    @QCIC

    Forget about the damn birds.

    Thought I heard someone say once that Birds can be watched as an allegory. If so, that might make them hugely entertaining.

    When I was quite young, I used to enjoy the movie Gremlins 2. Rewatched it about a year or so ago, and found that it is pretty funny if you watch it from that angle. (Surely, unintended by the film-makers?)

  211. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You seem to be arguing with the very idea of a luxury product,

    You seem to misunderstand what a luxury product is.

    Luxury must be *voluntary* spending, often on an intangible quality. Fair trade chocolate is a luxury. Despite identical nature of the physical product, the intangible “fairness” justifies the higher luxury price.

    When ESG is a mandate and all products must be ESG, then involuntary ESG is a necessary feature not a luxury.

    I asked you to name some people who were true intellectuals

    Try rereading my answer. You obviously missed my point.

    dissident intellectual thought leadership is diffuse. There is no easily targeted Newt Gingrich figure. That is a strength not a weakness.

    The fact that there are no names for me to list is a highly desirable feature of broad based intellectualism throughout the populist movement.
    ____

    The fact that start up institutions such as University of Austin are necessary is a damning indictment of the status quo.

    https://www.uaustin.org/

    WE’RE BUILDING A UNIVERSITY DEDICATED TO THE FEARLESS PURSUIT OF TRUTH.

    This is what intellectual life should be, but no longer is. The rescue plan for New College in Florida is another example.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
  212. Wokechoke says:
    @Philip Owen

    The consequences on middle size Russian cities for losing the war in Ukraine and certainly for the prosperity of Muscovites and Petersbergers would be a quick reduction in wealth and overall life expectancy (even excluding war dead).

    they have to know this.

    • Replies: @AP
  213. songbird says:
    @sudden death

    but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    Not sure it is really true (I think it would maybe just encourage foolish casualties), but a lot of people are saying that the warm weather is really good for Russians because it makes any advance impossible, until May or June, when they will have called up a lot of manpower.

  214. A123 says: • Website

    NATO has been siding for a while, but this tweet is just Wowzers:

    It reads, “This war will shape the continent. It will set rules and draw frontiers. Books will be written and studies done on the reality we face today. We are Harry Potter and William Wallace, the Na’vi and Han Solo. We’re escaping from Shawshank and blowing up the Death Star. We are fighting with the Harkonnens and challenging Thanos. Ukraine is hosting one of the great epics of this century.”

    A new term has been coined in response — Ukringe

    Everyone needs to check out the responses here (1).

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-criticised-tweet-comparing-ukraine-conflict-harry-potter

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  215. AP says:
    @Wokechoke

    If “losing” the war involves Russia leaving Ukraine and a return to normalcy then the consequences for normal people would be positive.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  216. Sean says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it’s painful and requires sacrifice

    Just as Italians are far from your average Europeans, Russian react in their own peculiar ways. Their Army are very unlikely to be broken (and that would be super dangerous thing for the Western opponents to enable Ukraine achieve anyway). Indeed Reuters reported just the other day that Ukraine has been told the West does not have an inexhaustible supply of arms. There have been some inept handling of Russia fomations, but at this point there is no massed infantry attacks by conscripts. In fact the main fighting is by Wagner Group. They are using completely novel small assault groups of infantry made up from convict volunteers. Omniscient US surveillance and intel cannot assist Ukrqaine against the creeping attack of Wagner, but mean that more traditional tank drive tactics such as were used last week in an attempt to take Vuhledar by a crack regiment of the regular Russian army result in disastrous losses. I see Wgner as a modern use of light infantry to break the deadlock a la WW1 Stormtroopers, but at a snails pace.

    Is the sacrificing by the West an open ended commitment or is there some kind of timetable to an envisioned termination by Russia? None is proposed as far as I know and so the ball is in the Kremlin’s court; I cannot for the life of me see why Putin would draw the line at a SMO, and cease hostilities when Russia is three times the size of Ukraine, has a nuclear backstop for any great advances by Ukraine great enough to break the Russian army and rout it. has not yet officially declared war on Ukraine, and retains an option for a substantial increase in infantry from a full call out of reserves (official state of war).

    Since the Kremlin called out a relatively moderate portion of its reservists and doubled the troops available to be used in the Special Military Operation, Ukraine has ceased to make serious advances, and Western commentary has been reduced to repeating that Putin has well well short of his original objectives and timetable at huge cost. . I think there has to be a recognition that Russia can’t be outmatched in Ukraine and so the West cannot force a decision, so the war is going to continue without an end in sight

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
  217. songbird says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    What you seem to be saying is that, if antiracism meant getting demoted, or fired and blacklisted, or socially-stigmatized, or jailed, if there had been a decades long propaganda campaign against it, and if the schools taught against it from a young age, you think that the elites and middle-class strivers would have the same alignments.

    Doesn’t seem entirely plausible.

  218. @Sean

    I suspect it’s an open ended commitment with no end in sight, but that’s just my sense of things.

    Probably, this silly war will continue for a while and then just sort of peter out – end with a whimper, not a bang, and without any clear cut, decisive outcome.

    Protracted open ended conflicts are quite common across the world, with lulls and flare ups etc. Israel is in one such now and neither party shows any signs of flagging energy. This is probably the historical norm. Decisive, clear cut outcomes, seem to be an expectation created by the modern West, and to be derived from the end of history doctrine and the idea that the world is converging on the same political and historical systems – history ends with a bang, not a whimper – but are probably an historical anomaly.

    One almost gets the sense mankind likes fighting for it’s own sake, even as it eventually gets bored with power and empire.

    As in my quote from Plotinus, the silliness of war shows what children’s games are the “serious” affairs of men…

    I’m sure the West can force a humiliating defeat on Russia, but as you say, that would be dangerous and pointless. Humiliating an opponent is always bad policy unless you also make sure you crush him so completely he cannot rise again. Otherwise, they just come back with a vicious sense of grievance and a burning resentment, and the cycle of violence continues.

    War is for the most part psychological – they are largely fought for reasons of pride and self respect. Egypt could only make peace with Israel after it acquitted itself creditably in the 73 war. Hezbollah was only able to stop attacking Israel regularly after it likewise acquitted itself creditably in the 06 war.

    Russia right now seems to have a burning sense of grievance and injured pride – how to repair that? What kind of a victory would mollify it’s pride without actually being a victory (like 73 and 06)?

    I don’t pretend to know. Perhaps just being able to fight the West for a few years without being utterly defeated or collapsing will be good enough.

    Who can predict the future anyways…

    • Replies: @Sean
  219. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    This must be why Leninism was so influential.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  220. Yevardian says:

    Posted this in links earlier, but just a lengthy interview with someone deeply embedded in the American foreign policy establishment, notable in that she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it. (German_Reader should be pleased)
    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it, though perhaps this decision to go-ahead of some senior officials was indeed ‘cordoned off’.

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/absolute-victory-over-russia-isnt-possible/

    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.

  221. @Yevardian

    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.

    Well put. In my opinion it is unrealistic to expect Ukrainians not to fight back, but what exactly are Russians dying for? A multipolar world order i.e. a world where some Chinese car brand displaces Lada in the Russian automobile market? A world where Russia sells hydrocarbons to the Global South for rock-bottom prices?

    This image will always be emblematic of this war, fields of dead Russians outside of Bakhmut.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Sean
  222. Sean says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Probably, this silly war will continue for a while and then just sort of peter out – end with a whimper, not a bang, and without any clear cut, decisive outcome.

    Thats what America is hoping for : an attenuated Russia to be easily stalemated by lower than current levels of Western arms and a then-demoralised Putin to order a withdrawal from Donbass. But Putin’s mother barely survived WW2 in Leningrad (ihis returning father is said to found her barely living atop a cart of corpses), Putin never met his brother who died in a orphanage of diphtheria during the war

    With a personal history like that, Putin is steeped in the concept of sacrifice for final victory, and in a particularly sticky patch would surely draw on an untapped plenitude of Russia’s materiel and human resources to fight a conventional war if the current level of mobilisation let to a petering out of the Russian effort. I don’t accept the premise that Russia cannot amp up its conventional effort from Special Military Operation effort very considerably by moving to a decreed state of war. That Putin has not done so suggests he thinks he is on track for victory at the current level, which is not provoking the US . Convincing him he is losing will be a challenge, and even them why should he admit defeat when that is likely to make his own continued leadership shaky. Putin’s main characteristic is, according to Stuermer’s book on him, is an aversion to acting impulsively and so he is not likely to overdramatise any difficulties. At present Russia is prolly doing better than we know from Western orientated media. The Ukrainians are firing more rounds a day through their Western howitzers than the Western suppliers knew those weapons could fire (they are designed for) and that is from a Ukrainian gunner speaking on CNN. Wagner groups new craping infiltration tactics under massive area bombardments do not seems very vulnerable to Western technicaly advanced precision and deep strike weapons in the way that armoured maneuver warfare has proved to be. I think Russia is likely to take all Donbass eventually.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
  223. @Yevardian

    she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it

    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it

    Ukrainians might have wished for it, but they had neither ability nor opportunity to do it. The waters where all explosions happened were and are controlled by NATO (i.e., the NATO godfather, the US). There were NATO naval maneuvers in those areas a few months before the blasts. The investigation is conducted by NATO members, Russians are not even allowed to participate. Many months passed since the event and the “investigation” is getting exactly nowhere. Looks to me like an investigation of the break-in into chicken coop by the fox who broke into it. Another telltale sign: Western MSM (directed by we know who) work hard to bury the issue. So, both classical “cui bono” and the way the “investigation” and media coverage of that terrorist act are going point to the same suspects. And those suspects are neither Ukrainians nor Russians.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  224. Sean says:
    @War Observer

    Prigozhin posted on social networks the picture below of rows of corpses of dead Wagner troops

    https://static.mondo.rs/Picture/1239930/png/Vagner-Bahmut.jpg?ts=2023-02-22T14:33:34

    • Replies: @War Observer
  225. @Sean

    Yes, I’ve seen this. I linked it back in comment 61.. And one has to remember this is just one day’s worth of dead, in one sector of the front and the bodies of only those that were managed to be extracted from the killing zone.

    The Russians are dying for Chinese interests at the end of the day.

    In other news:

    “China adheres to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine. China does not recognize the DPR, LPR, etc.” – Chinese Deputy Representative to the UN.

    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don’t subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against “American hegemony” as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China.

    • Replies: @Sean
  226. @Sean

    Im not sure that these day by day extremely minute analyses amount to much, although I can see why some people enjoy them, like a competitive sport.

    In the larger picture it’s been like a year, and nothing really dramatic has happened. I don’t think much will change.

    Eventually, it will just stop, without much being gained by anyone, and just a sense of the futility of it all.

    Perhaps Plotinus had the wisest attitude to war.

    • Replies: @Sean
  227. Yevardian says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukrainians might have wished for it, but they had neither ability nor opportunity to do it.

    Honestly I think so too.
    But when/if it’s eventually conceded that the Russians detonating whatever leverage they had over Germany is too preposterous to believe, blaming the Ukrainians for it makes sense.
    After all, they’re in no position to complain or deny it, whereas it could create a diplomatic scandal between Germany and Poland/Sweden if it was revealed they were involved (of course all European countries would be too cowardly to express anger or shift blame towards the US directly).

    @War Observer

    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don’t subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against “American hegemony” as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China.

    I think China’s strategic interests remain strictly in their own backyard. And whereas there at least was a non-trivial segment of Europe interested in friendly relations with Russia, China’s East/Southeast/ neighbors and India will hate and fear China whether the US is involved there or not.

    • Troll: Folkvangr
  228. Mikel says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Anybody take them up on it?

    I don’t know. My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain. But I’m sure some must have taken up the offer. A Shengen passport is very convenient for many people. You can settle anywhere in the EU and Spain also has plenty of visa-free travel around the world and lots of bilateral treaties, especially with Latin America.

    My personal view is that Spain didn’t gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline. But this gesture of grating foreigners citizenship rights based on events that happened half a millennium ago, thus making fellow EU partners be co-responsible for those events, shows how immigration issues are handled in the EU.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    , @Beckow
  229. Yevardian says:
    @Mikel

    My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain.

    I’m really not sure about that.
    Standard of living in Spain, especially for average people, is much higher than Israel’s, with the latter’s problems of religious nuts, housing price crisis, unstable governments, fuzzy borders, African migrant crime, unassimilated Russians despising brown Mizrachim, high cost of food, abrasive public behavior, and so on.

    My personal view is that Spain didn’t gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline.

    It’s often forgotten that the final expulsions of Moriscos and Conversos coincided with the period that the Ottoman Empire was at its height and seemed unstoppable. A little earlier in 1480, the Ottomans had even staged a probing invasion of Italy at Otranto. Nobody at the time could have known that front wasn’t going to go anywhere, as the Turks went on to overwhelm Hungary instead.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  230. Sean says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    For a century Ukraine has been regarded as the ‘Geographical Pivot of History’. the Heartland of the World Island. Denying it to one’s enemy is no small achievement.

  231. The war is an attempt to reverse Russian nationalist humiliation at losing the Soviet Empire in 1991. The inferiority complex gifted Russian by Nicholas I and Offical Nationality was strongly embedded in the security services. Similar things happened in Germany after WW1. Russia will be lucky to keep its rump of the Donbas by the time this ends.

    They don’t have the ammo to launch a ground offensive. Even if they capture the dump in Transneistra, it is likely all rotten. More likely they will be crushed trying.

    Russia does have a huge supply of anti-aircraft missiles. Now they have all but exhausted their other long range missiles, these are being repurposed as inaccurate weapons to keep up attacks on UA infrastructure but rarely hit the target when they do get through.

    90,000 Russian troops are going to be cut off in Taurida. By September at latest, they should have no fuel, no ammo and no food. If Russian ammunition is already so scarce, maybe less. If the problem is not scarcity but rather poor logistics led by Push, the huge new influx of reservists will be counter productive.

    Ukrainian’s new weapons start rolling across the fields in May. Until then mud will save Russia from big defeats.

    Can Putin survive the loss of Crimea? Most of his henchmen, particularly Medvedev have made stupid statements of aggression against the rest of the world to prove their loyalty. Mishtustin the constitutional successor, has made a few grunts of support but nothing outrageous. He as stayed as far back as possible. This indicates questionable loyalty to Putin. A true loyalist would offer to nuke London or otherwise put himself beyond The Pale. He probably enjoys Xi’s support to still be in office. Before the IT workers fled, there were 7m men of military age in Russia. As well as the refugees and military who must number over 1m, Russia needs another 1m extra production specialists to keep the economy rolling and increase military production. This from a group which represents demographic collapse and should be making babies (Putin has ordered an increase there too).

    Xi owes Putin a return visit to Moscow. He didn’t turn for the anniversary. With Xi and a succesful launch, rather than a failure of the Sarmat, Putin’s speech would have been more upbeat. In practice, Xi is maintaining sanctions on Russia (military gear, top end chips) and distancing himself from a loser. He sent Wang Yi instead to tell Putin to get his act together. Xi and the politburo may change their minds if the US gets too triumphalist but even then all they can offer in time would be ammunition for Russia’s obsolete weapon systems.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  232. @Jazman

    The tanks are coming. Still not tank weather until May. Mud.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  233. songbird says:

    Could that nuclear waste mutant be a reverse Michael Jackson, and want to be a black woman? Do we know anything about his other targets?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  234. @Philip Owen

    This “comment” is classical sour grapes, with some blatant lies thrown in for credibility. Trolling for the imperial cause gets harder and harder by the day. My condolences.

    Looks like the empire is getting hysterical. To create a money laundering opportunity it stupidly attached itself to a lost cause. Even sent Alzheimer-in-chief to the place where he and his wayward son got sizeable bribes. Now it is desperately looking for ways to save whatever remains of its face. Tough luck.

    • Agree: A123
  235. Yahya says:
    @Yevardian

    Standard of living in Spain, especially for average people, is much higher than Israel’s, with the latter’s problems of religious nuts, housing price crisis, unstable governments, fuzzy borders, African migrant crime, unassimilated Russians despising brown Mizrachim, high cost of food, abrasive public behavior, and so on.

    Israel’s GDP per capita (PPP) was $52,000 compared to Spain’s $46,000 in 2022. In nominal terms the gap would be even larger; $58,000 for Israel and $29,000 for Spain. Gini co-efficient is roughly similar for both countries; around the 33-34 range.

    Most importantly for a long-term oriented Jew, Israel is less cucked than Spain. Spain admitted 500,000 immigrants in the first half of 2022; almost double their previous year. Spain will likely admit more African and Muslim immigrants over the next 20-30 years than Israel. And with sub-replacement fertility (compared to Israel’s ~3 TFR); Spain has 50-70 years left of demographic dominance; after which instability will kick in; or Spaniards will fade gently into the good night. Israel has its demographic problems too; but I think they are in a slightly better position to address them – at least their leadership and populace recognize the problem.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Yevardian
  236. @songbird

    Is it surprising that the shittiest administration in history attracts shit? Scum will remain scum, whether straight, transgender, or transvestite.

  237. @AnonfromTN

    I don’t dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption). I don’t dispute that Biden’s son was being used for some purpose. Probably not wittingly from what I have read of his abilities. I would also include the Clintons, Blair, Prime Ministers of Sweden and Israel and senior officials across Europe and the US on the Ukrainian (specifically Pinchuk’s payroll). This does not make Russia right to invade.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    , @AnonfromTN
  238. Yevardian says:
    @Yahya

    Israel’s GDP per capita (PPP) was $52,000 compared to Spain’s $46,000 in 2022. In nominal terms the gap would be even larger; $58,000 for Israel and $29,000 for Spain. Gini co-efficient is roughly similar for both countries; around the 33-34 range.

    Well I haven’t visited either country, so this isn’t worth much, but my gut feeling tells me inequality in Israel is an order of magnitude higher in Israel than Spain, whatever the figures say. With elected governments at least, a lot of care is done to reduce the appearance (if not the reality) of inequality and so the figures can be assumed to be manipulated.

    Probably Dmitry could comment on this more profitably, since he’s visited both countries and seems to speak passable Hebrew and and possibly understands Spanish when spoken (I merely learned to read it and haven’t spoken with natives irl) as well.

  239. @A123

    Additionally, Carlson contrasts the difference in DC priority for financially assisting Ukraine while places like East Palestine, Ohio, suffer a catastrophic toxic chemical disaster.

    Well, there was zero priority under Trump to equip trains with better brakes. And there was much military assistance to Ukraine under Trump.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/22/donald-trump-toxic-train-derailment-east-palestine-ohio
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  240. @A123

    If NATO had written this, it would be one thing. But it’s actually a quote from a text written by a real soldier in the battlefield. That changes things a little, the way I see it.
    Anyway, what the soldier (who is also a journalist)’s text reveals is just how steeped in Western popular culture Ukrainians are. For better or for worse.

  241. QCIC says:
    @A123

    I think Fair Trade is a bad example to make your point. Many people intrigued by Fair Trade notions think it goes beyond fairness as they are concerned that crimes and immoral acts are being perpetrated to create the product. In any given case it is difficult to know if this is true, but it should not be considered optional.

    I realize that Fair Trade and similar bandwagons may be rolled up with various other aspects (communism, etc.) which blur the facts.

    It is a challenge for free exchange, especially with fungible products.

    I know nothing about ESG.

    PS: Good chocolate is one of the key food groups, I’m not sure how anyone considers it a “luxury”…

    • Replies: @A123
  242. QCIC says:
    @Philip Owen

    What is the minimum additional trouble which would need to have been created by the West or Ukraine in order for you to begrudgingly agree that Russia’s moves were in fact defensive?

    Context for the question above. Many people would agree that the West was meddling in Ukraine, but they might argue over the degree of the meddling, or simply ignore it and say that always takes place. The West found a sympathetic audience for their meddling and nurtured a coup and what followed. The locals attacked Donbass with the obvious plan of driving out any resistance to the coup. Some of the fighters probably reveled in their own little genocide.

    These facts could all be sugar-coated but I think the points are not controversial.

    The next piece is the West wanted to expand NATO into Ukraine and place weapons there pointed at Russia. The degree to which these weapons would be a serious military threat or merely a political threat is unknown.

    For many people these limited facts are enough to definitively show that Russia was responding defensively to an actual threat created by the West.

    People in your camp seem to believe the balance of facts is such that Russia was not defending herself but attacking. Can you respond to the question at the top in the box?

  243. A123 says: • Website
    @Yevardian

    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it,

    Given the dementia and leakiness of Not-The-President Biden’s administration, I cannot fathom anyone being stupid enough to seek a green light from the U.S. Anything requiring operational security has to exclude the DC Dysfunction.

    PEACE 😇

  244. LatW says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I wouldn’t force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn’t want it.

    These days it’s not so much about “forcing” (except in the case of countries such as Russia), but more about meddling – latching on to a small home grown progressive minority in an Eastern European country and artificially bolstering it.

    I’d be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal

    Right, my ideal is very benign (and above all, people should be loved and taken good care of, the strong must support the weak, but that only means there need to be more of the strong around). But even my ideal is considered “far right” by some of today’s leading ideologues. And, of course, local liberals who take for granted what was built by the normal majority.

    but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah

    It’s actually a rather diverse group here. I’m a bit surprised how few real WNs there are on these boards. This group is so diverse that they couldn’t hold a coherent ideology and maintain a country. They are mostly contrarians (which is fun and unusual, but how would they run a country? Once they established that desired country of theirs, they would turn contrarian towards it again).

    But if you’re talking about a potential right-wing pariah, we need to be clear about based on what? If they live peacefully and are not openly aggressive towards their neighbors in their little or not so little realm, then there is no reason to make them a pariah. After all, there are states with rather questionable politics that have not been made pariahs by the West (certain oil states in the Middle East, etc). So what is allowed to an oil country would not be allowed to a white country (assuming that country is not in NATO)?

    doesn’t excessively repress alternative lifestyles

    Alternative lifestyles always existed, even in the 1930s. Forms of women’s lib existed back then as well.
    It just didn’t take extreme forms. But there is a problem here with consistency, of course, things such as if hetero society does not behave well, then it doesn’t really make sense to “oppress” gays. Then it becomes a race to the bottom.

    If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it’s inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.

    We enter the realm of subjectivity here. Who gets to decide that? Happiness is subjective. If you take a utilitarian approach and find things that bring the maximum good to the maximum number of people, then you might have a point. No need to deny wellbeing to humanity if such wellbeing can easily be promoted and expanded.

    Certain things can be measured empirically – for example, what kind of a lifestyle reduces blood pressure or which ingredients in food production should be avoided. But when it comes to human happiness, it becomes subjective. Also, something that may be making one happy at one point, may not make them happy forever, etc. There are different stages in life where one’s needs will be different. The hedonistic approach is a bit slippery.

    My only point is that it is a “static” vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it’s vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.

    If you’re looking for an Ideal, then some aspects of archeofuturism may provide such. In my ideal state, the ideological basis would be drawn from the ancestral wisdom (the ethical guidelines contained in a body of poetry called daina). There is also value in the Greco-Roman heritage, obviously. Or even some kind of mythopoetic exercise.

    You see, “Ideal” is a tricky word – we can view it as something one strives for, something that is more defined as a permanent search, an unending journey, where we are in a flux and thriving for something that is not constant, that is not here and that is not fully defined. Some abstract ideal of humanity. But an “Ideal” can also be something very concrete, something from the past, that which once was but is in essence timeless, that can be exalted and idealized.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

    I hope you are talking about the metaphysical Platonic Ideal here, because the political and even to some extent the ethical Platonic Ideal is deeply totalitarian.

    [MORE]

    Btw, I wanted to add something to our previous exchange regarding Zelensky. I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a “nobody” in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn’t want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.

  245. Anatoly is becoming increasingly optimistic about Russia’s chances in the war based on two reasons:

    1. Data indicates that Ukrainian losses are high and that the rate of attrition for Ukraine is no less than it was earlier in the war
    2. China seems to slowly be coming around to providing Russia with backing

    point 1 I don’t think is too relevant. I believe that Ukraine has enough manpower to fight forever.

    point 2 is more interesting. Russia is capable of providing most of its own armament needs but China could be very helpful with EW and other systems that will help close some of the technological gap with NATO supplied Ukraine.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    , @LatW
  246. LatW says:
    @Mikhail

    Oh, geez, another one of these… well, at least he appears to be some kind of a masculist, he should really focus on his own country and population. What state is he from?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  247. @LatW

    well, at least he appears to be some kind of a masculist

    That is decidely *not* a good thing. Guys who are obsessed with “manhood” are the cringiest weirdos there are

    • Replies: @LatW
  248. QCIC says:
    @Greasy William

    My impression is that much of China’s military hardware is still closely based on Russian equipment. What makes you believe they have more advanced EW systems than Russia? I can imagine China has more quantity but not more quality.

    Has Toly volunteered yet? They say chicks dig scars.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  249. @Philip Owen

    I don’t dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption

    Russia is no more fascist state than the US. In fact, there is a lot more variety of opinions in Russian MSM, whereas the “unanimity” of American MSM today is the same that was in Hitler’s Germany in late 1930s.

    My university censored out numerous websites and whole domains. To be fair, I can easily access the sites that it censored out via my home internet service provider and via my cellphone. I recently flew to Kenya via France. Experimentally I found that France censored out the same sites that my University, whereas in Kenya there is freedom of speech: no internet censorship.

    If you want to call someone fascist, Ukraine qualifies with its extrajudicial imprisonment, murders, and torture of political prisoners.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  250. LatW says:
    @Greasy William

    Why not? He seems to enjoy ice baths and seems quite ambitious about “American manhood”. Maybe a little too ambitious….

    “If American men don’t undergo a physical revolution, our civilization will fall.

    The New American Man must be able to point out places for mountains & passes, change the course of rivers and lay down rules for the oceans. All soy culture must be corrected or reduced to ashes.”

    LOL

    [MORE]

  251. @War Observer

    Any photographic proof? None so far has been produced.

    WTF? Are you a bacha boy for Oshkosh executives? That seem’s the only logical explanation of your ridiculous comments and agenda.

  252. @QCIC

    Unlike Russia, China has an advanced electronics industry. They are behind Russia in jet engine technology but ahead of Russia in every other field. China has been prepping for a hot war with the US for decades whereas the Russian military is mainly for bullying Russia’s hapless neighbors.

    China is a basket case in its own right, I’m even more skeptical about China long term than I am about Russia, but the US is so degenerate and gay that a China/Russia alliance could conceivably defeat it.

    • Replies: @QCIC
  253. A123 says: • Website
    @Brás Cubas

    Are you Joy Behar ?

      

    If not… Why do you sound exactly like her?

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    Note: That is a jpeg of the tweet. You can follow back to the original diatribe here:

    https://instapundit.com/571220/

  254. LatW says:
    @Greasy William

    2. China seems to slowly be coming around to providing Russia with backing

    There is nothing concrete there yet. Is this some Chinese game to put pressure on the West to further their own agendas?

    First, China stressed quite clearly that they believe “territorial integrity” should be respected. It is not clear from the recent visit to Moscow whether China and Russia are on the same page here (it doesn’t appear so, it’s more that China simply doesn’t want the US to prevail and become stronger and they still want a “multi-polar” world).

    It would also be a risk for the CCP to openly support RusFed with weapons (or even start some kind of a war production program). They are struggling from the lack of growth and would be sanctioned on top of that. Will they sacrifice their economy for Putin?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  255. Seriously, has anyone from western countries ever actually heard of any “Ukrainian” community, culture, festival or language or anything else from this fake diaspora in their country before 2014, or even since only last year?

    I have NEVER heard ANYTHING about this fake group from any western locals before

    The excellent Mikhael/Mr Averko is a genius on such issues – maybe you can even inform on how many Banderetards in US and Canada there actually are?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  256. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC

    I know nothing about ESG.

    Like most progressive policies, ESG is horrifying dogma locked on a path towards certain disaster. It is anti-American deception that pretends to be socially conscious. (1)

    The ‘ESG’ Scam Rates Slave-Using Chinese Firms Higher Than Clean American Energy Producers

    Expecting publicly traded companies to do more than simply return shareholder value — their fiduciary responsibility — is a fairly new development in Western capitalism. The idea that corporate leadership and shareholders should explicitly care about environmental, social, and corporate governance (known as ESG) issues beyond how they might affect the bottom line has been around for only about 30 years.

    But now, ESG investing has become a big driver in steering capital to corporations deemed to be good stewards of subjective principles. By 2025, financial management firms that claim to invest with ESG principles are projected to account for $50 trillion of a total global value of $140.5 trillion — more than a third of managed investments.

    Ben M. “Bud” Brigham, founder and executive chairman of Brigham Minerals and other energy companies, has been an ESG skeptic for years. He tells me that “companies innovating in free markets strive to create value for their owners which benefit all the legitimate stakeholders. This is empirically validated in America, where we enjoy unprecedented levels of clean air and clean water compared to other major economies. In contrast, ESG investing — a relatively subjective exercise — often represents the influence of illegitimate stakeholders, and therefore ends up being irresponsible, destructive, and counter to its stated goals.”

    So, here’s the bottom line from the self-righteous global elites: Chinese-government-owned coal, fine; Chinese slave-provisioned solar power, good; Chinese state-owned natural gas, better; American domestic natural gas and oil, terrible.

    Voluntarily screwing up your personal return by picking bad (but CCP green), investments is a luxury.

    Damaging U.S. industry by making energy more expensive is sedition, possibly treason. Decreasing already precarious retirement by government mandating ESG into 401-K investments is entirely involuntary.

    The “E” in ESG is actually for “Evil”.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/28/the-esg-scam-rates-slave-using-chinese-firms-higher-than-clean-american-energy-producers/

  257. @Ivashka the fool

    白人

    白人 is still associated with 白人至上. And basically all Chinese can discern the R1a vs. R1b distinction.

    I would use the term 战斗民族 kämpfendes Volk. It’s really an affectionate term and some Chinese people will find it hilarious that you know it.

    Russian girl fenhong explains why 战斗民族 have no fear of Covid–

  258. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Yeah I’ve heard of Чжандо минзу – suits us well. I’ll take it.

    And it’s true that most among us don’t care much about Covid. I actually feel some compassion when I see young and fit East Asians wearing masks outside, even though several studies in peer reviewed journals have demonstrated that most masks are completely useless.

    Was discussing it with one of my sons while on a walk downtown, and he told me : “they do it out of respect for others”. I asked him : “would you too do it out of respect, even if you knew that it is useless?” He answered: “if I was in their country, I would. So that I don’t frighten or alienate them.”

  259. QCIC says:
    @Greasy William

    China is coming along, but I think they are still 90% copy, 10% figure it out on their own. With 10X the people they may be OK, but if they have 1/10 the innovation, maybe not. Time will tell.

    They seem to be behind Russia in many fields, but I agree they have ridden the Western microelectronics boom which Russia completely missed, other than sending loads of smart people to help out in the West. Russia is still catching up with the Soviet Union in some areas, but has advanced in others.

    I think the “New Great Wall” Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.

  260. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Лучше один раз увидеть чем десять раз услышать:

    The anthropology of drift…

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
  261. @Gerard1234

    There is a Bandera memorial in New Jersey. The CIA imported hundreds of Ukrainians after WWII to wage cold war. Victoria Nuland has always been tight with these idiots.

    • Replies: @QCIC
  262. Sean says:
    @War Observer

    I think the original photos of a battlefeild strewn with Russian (Wagner) show the Western take on Russia’s KIA is greatly exaggerated, just as Iran’s were in the Iran-Iraq war. The Ukrainian ought to have scores of such photos but there is just that one. Where is the drone footage of these human waves, it would be great propaganda.

    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don’t subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against “American hegemony” as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China

    China’s military spending is remaining stable at 2%. But their economy is growing, In a generation America will need very much higher military spending and an alliance with Russia to deal with China militarily. Economically, I don’t see how China can be contained at all, and that is why they are sticking to economic growth. It will be the West that does not like the ‘rules based order’ where China plays by the rules and wins hands down.

  263. @LatW

    Will they sacrifice their economy for Putin?

    No. But they may believe that the US is too degenerate and gay to do anything to respond to Chinese support for Russia.

    China’s goals are to keep the war going as long as possible and to increase Russian dependence on China. China lacks food and energy so having Russia as a junior partner provides them with the resources they need to have a full confrontation with the United States. The goal is not to ever have such a confrontation at all, but rather to have a credible enough threat that the US avoids responding to Chinese actions that the US disapproves of.

    I don’t see China going all out to arm Russia, but rather giving Russia a lot of behind the scenes help like it has been doing so far with the implied threat that if the US places sanctions on China that China can respond by providing Russia with any and all equipment it needs. China (correctly, imo) calculates that the US is too degenerate and gay to do anything other than just accept this humiliation. I mean, come on, Biden is gonna sanction China? That would cause a huge economic hit to the United States and would be extremely unpopular with the Democrat’s big donors. Further, the US knows that it would lose a proxy war against China and that the loss of this war would lead to the guaranteed fall of Taiwan once Ukraine was defeated.

    Ultimately it is all somewhat academic as the Russian military is a basket case and shows no capability of achieving operational breakthrough against Ukraine. The longer this conflict drags on, the less the US can permit Ukraine to fall. But Russia could conceivably batter Ukraine enough that Ukraine would be forced to accept an armistice where they give up the Donbas and Odessa and where Ukraine waives the right to join the EU.

    This would still be a severe strategic defeat for Russia. Russian territorial gains would remain unrecognized not only by the West but by most non aligned states as well, China included. Russia would still remain heavily sanctioned and would forever lose its place as a great power, instead being converted into a glorified Chinese satellite.

    • Replies: @Sean
  264. @QCIC

    I think the “New Great Wall” Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.

    I’m not familiar. What can you tell me about it?

    • Replies: @QCIC
  265. Beckow says:
    @Mikel

    …Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain.

    They get both. I have not seen the numbers lately, but there was a substantial number that received Spanish passports when it was introduced (L America, Izrael…) The only requirement is religion and a hispanic surname (or close enough). Given the very mixed populations, it is just creative paperwork.

    Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England

    I recall that they were from Portugal, but I could be wrong. The 16th century expulsion of Jews and Moriscos was one reason Spain declined. But there were others: very top heavy society with an annual colonial tribute, over-extended power projection – invading England, Portugal…, an ideological tailspin to a rigid clericalism…

    By the 17th century too few did what would be considered real work, similar to the US-West today. But the West went ideologically in the exactly opposite direction and tries to maintain vitality with extreme openness…

    The elites consciously try to avoid Spain’s fate, but they are overdoing it: the opposite of a failed policy is not automatically the solution, that would be too easy….

  266. Beckow says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    …the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it’s own failed adventures across the globe.

    Ok, we agree. But it kind of says exactly the opposite of that you claimed earlier about ‘tyrants’ underestimating the enemy to start wars. The recent history has been the opposite. The cliche that you repeated is a favorite unthinking nonsense by many in the West – as if they literally didn’t see what has happened right in front of their eyes.

    you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory…

    Not at all. I simply think that the willingness is not that important by itself – the war will be decided by the real stuff: arms, soldiers, people putting their lives at extreme risk, economy, logistics… The Western willingness is not enough – they clearly will not send a large number of soldiers to risk their lives in the Ukie mud. Russians may not either at some point, but the odds are a lot higher.

    I mostly see rhetoric from the West – banging drums, chest-beating, over-the-top rhetoric. That betrays weakness, fear that if Russia goes fully militaristic they won’t be able to stop it…like scared monkeys they jump, shout and throw feces… if there is an actual need to send soldiers, who will do it? Ukies are not enough in the long run. Or it can be solved with nukes and that is not a good place to be.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
  267. German_reader says:
    @sudden death

    That’s just nonsense. Of course it was the Americans who blew up the Nordstream pipelines, you just don’t want to accept it, because it would complicate your nice and tidy story about Russian imperialism being the only problem. Because it actually reveals what this conflict really is, a great power conflict where all the Europeans are essentially just powerless pawns, and where US elites certainly aren’t acting out of altruistic concern for the best interests of Europeans, or even Ukrainians.
    Incidentally for me this also totally undermines the case that it always being made here that it was intolerable for Ukraine to accept the Minsk agreements, because of them being so horribly unfair, limiting Ukrainian sovereignty etc. Well, it’s crystal clear now that even a major country like Germany doesn’t have real sovereignty and is essentially in a master-servant relationship with the American hegemon. Why the hell should anyone think the kind of Russian influence in Ukraine that existed before 2014 was some intolerable injustice given this context?
    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that’s just beyond silly. Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    • Agree: Yevardian
  268. German_reader says:
    @Philip Owen

    The tanks are coming

    Which tanks are you babbling about? The 14 Challengers? LOL.
    As for the Leopards, it’s clear now that it was never more than a political manouevre, intended to make Germany the scapegoat for Ukrainian reverses. Apparently they didn’t expect Scholz to actually cave in and send tanks…now that he did, even PiS Poland suddenly is talking about problems with sending their Leopards…and mighty Finland has apparently offered to send three (!) special de-mining tanks. Absolute farce. Ukraine will be lucky to get a few dozen Leopards, of different versions at that.

  269. German_reader says:

    I have finished reading another Ukraine-related book (Nicolai N. Petro, The tragedy of Ukraine. What classical Greek tragedy can teach about conflict resolution). Amusingly enough Karlin is cited in it, for his compilation of Crimean opinion polls. Didn’t expect to ever see Unz review referenced in a non-fringe publication, lol.
    As for the book itself, I have mixed feelings. There’s quite a bit about the distinction between nationalism and patriotism, and given the way such arguments are usually deployed in Western societies (promotion of mass immigration, facilitation of blatant ethnocentrism among immigrants, while suppressing any ethnocultural sentiments among the native population) I can’t have much sympathy for them. A core thesis of the book is that some kind of Truth and Reconciliation commission could be a solution for Ukraine…with South Africa and Spain given as positive models. Well, South Africa is a dystopian hellhole where Boer farmers regularly are murdered in the most bestial ways imaginable, and in Spain the Left has reneged on the transitional compromise and sought to enshrine its own, highly selective of history in law. So not really much of a success story imo.
    The book is probably also somewhat tendentious regarding events in Ukraine itself (e.g. regarding “Snipergate” during the Euromaidan)…obviously I couldn’t check many of its claims. It’s also been overtaken by events, most of it was written before Russia’s invasion, and the author acknowledges that to some extent. I still think it’s useful though. It has definitely reinforced my view that Ukraine should never be given support in an attempt to re-conquer Crimea or the parts of the Donbass held by the separatists before February 2022. There’s something truly noxious in the political culture of Galicia, and the uncritical embrace of Ukrainian nationalism by the EU (Slava Ukraini and all that shit) is really absurd, either a betrayal of “European values”, or a sign that those were never more than a facade for other interests anyway (maybe quite possible, given the puzzling behaviour of EU negotiatiors during the negotiations for the EU association agreement…what the hell did they think they were doing when setting such an impossible choice before Ukraine?).

    • Replies: @Beckow
  270. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    We have a saying, the goose will scream when hit…… so do you, bigger better things, but you know the West has peaked. If you prefer, let’s call it a gradual relative collapse…

    Regarding, what I want: peace, prosperity, good life, and no meddling in sovereign states by the know-it-all big guys. And maybe for the culture to be better at entertaining…

    You either don’t acknowledge the recent run of the Western aggression – quite bloody by any standard – and the busy-body obsessive meddling in everything from ‘gender’ to Ukraine, or you like it. You seem to like it, so take the good with the bad.

    In Ukraine the collective West clearly overreached led by the emotional nutcases often referred to as ‘neo-cons’, now they are panicking. You look for any signs that Russia is ‘collapsing’ or that Ukies will beat them on the battlefield. It almost certainly won’t happen – just think. Once it was clear that Russia moved, Kiev-West should had taken the offer of Minsk+…some face saving way to end it and maybe wait to fight another day (when Russia is weak). Your hurrah-patriotism will not get you a better deal.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  271. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …A core thesis of the book is that some kind of Truth and Reconciliation commission could be a solution for Ukraine

    The T&R main role is to create an approved narrative, it always reflects the ideology of the ‘winning’ side, as it did in S Africa.

    When I see the distinction between ‘patriotism’ and ‘nationalism’ I always stop reading – it is not much more than the ancient tribal thinking – ‘when I steal your cow it is good, when you steal my cow it is bad…‘ It is used to manage simpler people who sense there is something wrong when presented with similar events described in an opposite ways (Kosovo vs. Crimea) Verbal manipulation.

    …puzzling behaviour of EU negotiatiors during the negotiations for the EU association agreement…what the hell did they think they were doing when setting such an impossible choice before Ukraine?

    That was the crux of the matter – the objective was to create a binary choice: Kiev: you are 100% with us or you are 100%v with Russia. That was obviously intentional, the goal was it either to steam-roll over Russia (and its Ukie supporters, Crimea, Donbas,…) or to create this conflict. Well, we have a war because Russia refused to just roll over.

    Wars are horrible and have very bad long-term consequences and they often get people ready for another war. But wars also clarify things, there will be a winner in this war and the odds are that it will Russia: more territory, more power, etc… The problem with intentionally stirring up wars is that at some point the results can come back to haunt you. Every single Nato war adventure in the last 20-25 years has backfired, they lost and were much worse off afterwards. If Kiev gets worse deal than Minsk the war has been a loss for them…is anyone seriously thinking that Kiev will even get something like the Minsk deal again?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @A123
  272. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    When is see the distinction between ‘patriotism’ and ‘nationalism’ I always stop reading

    In the book it’s actually meant as a critique of Ukrainian (Galician) nationalism, Petro thinks there should have been a civic patriotism that includes Russophones without telling them to give up their language, view of history etc.
    Of course the argument now is that these fractures no longer matter because of Russia’s invasion, which has made Ukrainian Russophones hate Russia and will cause them to voluntarily (?) give up the Russian language, but who knows.

    That was the crux of the matter – the objective was to create a binary choice

    Yes, but still, what the hell were the EU people thinking? Were they really crazy enough to think that this kind of geopolitical power play could redound to the EU’s benefit? It most certainly hasn’t…

    Anyway, depressing as all of this, in the madness there still are some things that can make one laugh, albeit in a bitter way:

    [MORE]

    German “fact checkers” from public broadcasting seeking to debunk Hersh’s Nordstream story, and thinking “to plant C4 charges” has something to do with actual plants like seaweed:

  273. Sher Singh says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    [MORE]

    Read your comments on Bell Beakers & others. Found it interesting, and take back what I said since you admit they were darker & became light after – along with other Slavic commentators who spoke about the Baltic phenotype etc. Was wrong about you being a Nordicist or Wignat. Won’t be friends with one who eats beef though.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  274. Coconuts says:

    Continuing the discussion from last thread…

    It’s exactly what I wrote in my comments: the Yamnaya and the Beakers only distantly related, Yamnaya not really going into Western Europe and therefore the Kurgan hypothesis of “Eastern steppe invaders” being nullified.

    Now the real question is how the BB appeared in Iberian peninsula and on the North African shore. Where did these early Maritime Bell-Beaker folks come from.

    As far as I can tell the article you posted is talking about material culture and doesn’t mention genetics at all. I guess by Bell Beaker person this means a person found with the beakers or other objects related to the complex.

    But often by Bell Beaker you seem to mean groups where the majority of males belong to certain subclades of this haplogroup R-M269.

    [MORE]

    We seem to know the two things do not necessarily overlap. Beakers are present among Iberian populations where there is little to no R-M269 of any sub clade, so no clear 1-1 connection between beakers and R-M269 . Would you need genetic evidence to go alongside the Beakers themselves, showing the relevant R-M269 subclades in North Africa and Iberia at the correct time period to re-establish a more robust connection?

    At the same time the arguments for a Lower Rhine origin of the Beaker style would need to be refuted.

    Lastly, it seems like any theory which placed the origins of the relevant subclades of R-M269 in Central Europe, Caucuses, the edge of Yamnaya area etc. should be shown to be weaker than an out-of-Iberia theory. Not being the same sub-clade as Yamnaya doesn’t seem to entail origin in North Africa, at least as far as I can tell. Eupedia doesn’t seem to share this account of the R-M269 coming out of Iberia for example, it shows it moving West and from the North into Iberia.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
  275. @QCIC

    China is now far ahead of Russia. There will be a multipolar world (bipolar if we want to be specific), and Russia will not be a part of it. Expect China to fill in the void left by Russia in the arms market. More neautral NATO countries like France will also benefit. At least countries know that China won’t start an ill-planned war, get stuck for the foreseeable future and commandeer the weapons you paid for to use for itself.

    Really pathetic to see turbo-vatniks like AnonfromTN exhorting the strength of Russia while safely living in the West, at least Karlin repatriated to Russia which I respect him for, he put his money where his mouth is.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @QCIC
    , @AnonfromTN
  276. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that’s just beyond silly.

    Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    Have you read through the articles here?

    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    They are pitched to layman level of technical expertise.

    Why do you think an industrial accident is a “crackpot” idea?
    ____

    If you insist on a sabotage scenario. Explain you theory in more depth by answering these three questions:

    • Why was the time line over 17 hours?
    • Why were the attacks ~80 km apart?
    • Why were only 3 out of 4 pipes hit?

    Does this look like a well planned attack? Really?

     

     

    I can, and have, shifted views on this topic. Immediately after the events took place I was suspicious of the Poles, as they had much to gain and little to lose.

    After the details of timing and geography came to light I reevaluated based on those facts which is how I wound up with “accident” as the leading & primary working theory.
    ____

    Let me illustrate where you and Mr. Unz seem to share a common logic problem:

    -1- Something happened
    -2- The U.S. establishment exploited it
    -3- Therefore #2 caused #1.

    That simply does not hold up to scrutiny.

    Did interests in the U.S. (notably BigPharma) exploit the WUHAN-19 virus? Yes. However, there is no reason to believe that America was directly behind its release from the CCP’s labatory at WIV. Mr. Unz cannot get past this which is why he keeps pushing his crackpot theory the virus was stolen from Fort Detrick, or another U.S. facility, and transported to Wuhan.

    Did interests in the U.S. (notably Not-The-President Biden’s regime) make hay after the NS ruptures? Yes. Claiming unearned credit is a known hallmark of DNC politicians. Do you remember the plagiarism scandal from some years ago. It is not even what they do… It is what Democrats are. There is simply no physical evidence pointing back to current coup regime as the culpruit.
    ___

    Let me reframe your original question. Are you happy to be in the company of total conspiracy nutters like Mr. Unz?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  277. QCIC says:
    @Greasy William

    I guess they are now calling it the Underground Great Wall.

    Large numbers of survivable underground nukes to back up a China first strike policy.

    Search on wiki, etc.: Underground Great Wall of China

    I read the Karber report listed a few years ago, I think it is plausible.

  278. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow

    If you believe paragraph 1, you can stop the hysteria.

    If you want paragraph 2, you will be delighted when Russian troops return to Russia.

    If paragraph 3 is correct, the “take the good with the bad” is as true for you as it is for me. Or “take the bad with the good” if you prefer!

    And if paragraph 4 is true, I wonder when you predict Russia will be storming into Kharkhiv or Kherson?

    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let’s be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show. It will be a very different governing apparatus going forward. You probably have less than a year to mentally adjust. Keep this at least at the back of your mind.

    You’ve admittedly come a long way from your spiteful delusions of last year, where you were ranting about the end of Ukraine etc, but you still have a very long way to go. I suppose I should be hopeful for you. You might trail reality at a long distance, but you do seem to maintain at least that little amount of contact with it.

    Or, you know, go bathe in the anaesthesia of a Ritter or Macgregor video, where the great Russian offensive is always tomorrow, and your enemies will swiftly recognise your genius, and the horror of the reality you’ve been supporting never has to register in your spotless, amber-soakrd “vision.”

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  279. @Coconuts

    As far as I can tell the article you posted is talking about material culture and doesn’t mention genetics at all.

    This is correct. They only write about archeological finds which show that the Maritime Bell-Beaker folks were the original population (as I have mentioned in my comments) and that the earlier migrations of the BB were along the coasts and major rivers. This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows. Rivers were probably safer as a gateway to a potentially hostile territory.

    OTOH, the authors of the article being unaware of the paleogenetics, leads to some curious conclusions: such as writing that CWC being descended from Yamnaya, which of course is not true. Both populations co-existed in the pontic steppe during late Tripolye period and both later admixed with the Tripolye folks during the downfall of this first European Civilization, both would have been of a similar genetic makeup at their beginnings in Mesolithic Siberia, therefore it is not surprising that they are similar. Doesn’t mean R1a descended from R1b, R1a is actually an earlier branch of the Y haplogroup R.

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    But often by Bell Beaker you seem to mean groups where the majority of males belong to certain subclades of this haplogroup R-M269

    They would have been M269 and more precisely L11 P310.

    The image for the haplogroup Y R1b tree from Eupedia doesn’t display correctly, so I paste the link below adding an X in the beginning to allow you to copy the https://… and to see the tree on your screen if you want to see how the different clades are related.

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.png

    We seem to know the two things do not necessarily overlap. Beakers are present among Iberian populations where there is little to no R-M269 of any sub clade, so no clear 1-1 connection between beakers and R-M269 .

    Have a look at the tree, the Iberian R1b are M269 and more precisely DF27 / S250, closely related to the Italo Gaulish R1b M269 U152 / S28. It’s basically the same cluster. That would be original stock.

    Other Early Bronze Age Iberian populations would have been not Bell-Beaker folks, but native Old Europe people that the BB ended up dominating, mostly Megalithic Culture folks. So yeah, in the early days of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon, most populations in the Western Europe wouldn’t have been Bell-Beaker folks. Then there was the Bell-Beaker complex intrusion, establishing tgrough conquest a social and cultural domination for centuries, and the cultural and genetic “conversion” of the Old Europe people to what would later become Iron Age European populations. But there was an original stock, and then there were the conquered “converted” populations. Think of Islamic Al Andalous or modern day Maghreb, truly Arab lineages were and still are a minority there, and yet most people there self-described for centuries and still see themselves as Arabs (genetically incorrect in 75% of the cases, but culturally very close).

    Would you need genetic evidence to go alongside the Beakers themselves, showing the relevant R-M269 subclades in North Africa and Iberia at the correct time period to re-establish a more robust connection?

    R1b is around 10 – 15% in Northern Maghreb, it might have come with Latin settlers and the Vandals, but some of it are possibly of a more ancient origin, perhaps some V88 would be found in the South among the Touareg, but I would think most R1b would be M269. We must keep in mind that the Maghreb has been at the crossroads of the East-West and North-South migrations for millenia, the fact that some ancient clades of R1b would have been lost or utterly diluted there, should not come as a surprise. Anyway, this information is still missing, but it would be interesting to look into this once it is documented.

    About Iberian peninsula, as written above, R1b people there are M269 of the Atlantic Iberian / Italo Gaulish cluster. See the tree for details.

    At the same time the arguments for a Lower Rhine origin of the Beaker style would need to be refuted.

    They are already refuted by the fact that earliest Bell-Beaker artifacts are found in the Maghreb and Iberian peninsula well before anything Bell-Beaker appears in the Rhine vicinity. However, the “mature”, “stabilized” Bell-Beaker complex was possibly established in the Lower Rhine region. One doesn’t contradict the other.

    The Lower Rhine and the Danubian Eastern Bell-Beaker folks would have been heavily admixed with the Old Europe populations and the Corded Ware Culture folks through their maternal side. Each generation would have diluted the original stock that appeared among the Iberian peninsula (Tagus estuary) Maritime Bell-Beaker population and probably was connected to the Northern Maghreb given that this is where the proto-Bell Beaker archeological finds have been located.

    Lastly, it seems like any theory which placed the origins of the relevant subclades of R-M269 in Central Europe, Caucuses, the edge of Yamnaya area etc. should be shown to be weaker than an out-of-Iberia theory. Not being the same sub-clade as Yamnaya doesn’t seem to entail origin in North Africa, at least as far as I can tell.

    Well, the overall origin of Y haplogroup R is Mesolithic Siberia. It always is a question of pinpointing where we start the description of a given population and its cultural package. The Maritime Bell-Beaker folks are the origin of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon. The cultural package seems to originate in Northern Morocco, there is where the most archaic finds were located. How the proto-Bell Beaker people got there is unknown.

    A mystery shrouded in an enigma.

    Although we know how R1b V88 got into Africa, so perhaps something similar might have happened to R1b M269 ancestral to the Bell-Beaker folks. But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.

    That’s quite a combo as ancestry goes.

    (Just kidding).

    🙂

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  280. QCIC says:
    @War Observer

    If allowed, Russia will do their own thing, they are not trying to be #1. I think they want to be a big fat, heavily-armed porcupine.

    For the technical systems I am familiar with, China has not surpassed Russia military hardware despite receiving lots of help from Russia over the past 30 years. I agree they should soon pass Russia in terms of hardware quality, it would be incompetent if they do not. Time will tell.

    I don’t read Chinese so I could be missing some things.

    +++

    All the squawking about Russian tanks is weird. They are obviously using these tanks in a way that is risky. I don’t know if this is intentional and overly optimistic, incompetent, deceptive or what but the loss of these tanks has more to do with the tactics than the equipment, IMO.

    All the players have known for a long time that tanks are vulnerable to top attack from NLAWS, 30 mm cannon fire and other weapons. All tanks are vulnerable to mines.

    Like everyone else, Russia will start rolling out more hard kill active protection systems to breath some life back into the metal beasts. Some of the Abrams tanks use the Israel active protection, which I expect evolved from Soviet research.

  281. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    If Kiev gets worse deal than Minsk the war has been a loss for them…is anyone seriously thinking that Kiev will even get something like the Minsk deal again?

    The European Empire created this mess for European reasons. The average citizen/worker in Europe will be worse off afterwards due to the number of migrants that entered the EU.

    The people of Ukraine will suffer greatly. Ukraine as a nation will leave the field with much less than the Minsk deal. Zelensky will flee to the EU where he will be rewarded with a life of luxury for services rendered.

    However, I question whether the term “backfired” applies. The European WEF seems to have achieved some of its goals. To them, pushing Ukraine off the edge of a cliff is akin to sacrificing a pawn in chess.

    Would anyone like to prognosticate on what “reconstruction” will look like after Zelensky flees & his successor yields.

    From the U.S. — Expect little. The Big Guy cannot Get His 10% as everything going forward will be audited. Thus there is no incentive for the DNC to fund a Marshall Plan. Losing is bad for 🇺🇦fads🇺🇦 in America. The whole thing will be memory holed and forgotten. Perhaps Samantha Power and USAID will “help”.

    From the EU — There will be efforts, but they will have strings attached. Also, given the energy price driven recession/depression there will be sharp limits on available cash.

    From China — The big spend. The CCP likes buying farmland and providing debt financing that generates future leverage. Trying to turn Ukraine into a satellite outpost would fit their global strategic plan.

    PEACE 😇

  282. Machine translated from Pavel Priannikov’s Telegram channel with minor corrections:

    I have just found about an interesting Soviet plan to “overcome the division of Israel into two nations”:
    “Soviet leadership tried to keep Israel in its orbit of of influence, helping with weapons, as well as with an unprecedented proposal to resettle all Palestinian Arab refugees (over 500 thousand people) to Soviet Central Asia and create an Arab Soviet Union Republic or an autonomous region of Palestinian Arabs there. Such a proposal was made in the autumn of 1948 in the UN Security Council by the Soviet representative D. Z. Manuilsky. However, it did not evoke the expected reaction from the United States.”

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  283. @Beckow

    But it kind of says exactly the opposite of that you claimed earlier about ‘tyrants’ underestimating the enemy to start wars

    No, it’s exactly what I’m saying 🙂

    Some tough guy type thinks liberal democracies are decadent paper tigers and will fold easily before their mighty masculine prowess – Al Queda, the Taliban, Saddam, various Iraqi insurgents, Hezbollah, Russia – and attacks them. To their shock, the decadent liberal democracies hit back harder than they thought possible.

    On the side of the liberal democracies, there is always another kind of blindness – struck by how much stronger they are than their tough guy masculine enemies, they decide they can do anything, down to “reeducating” the tough guy masculine types into good liberal democrats – control their minds, and reorganize their societies, and be loved and appreciated for it.

    And this always blows up in THEIR face.

    The last 100 years was the West learning again and again – or rather failing to learn – that despite it’s overwhelming superiority in military prowess, it can’t control people’s minds. And the tough guy types similarly learning and failing to learn that the people who connect to their softer side are actually the stronger ones – because they are strong enough for it.

    One imagines the tough guy types shock that they are actually the worse warriors, and the the liberals shock that they can’t make people love them.

    Each mentality has its own debilitating blind spot, that it’s doomed to repeat endlessly lol.

    Incidentally, Alfred de Custine writing as far back as 1843 with regard to Russia had the astonishing prescience to predict this split in mentality between liberal democracies and tough guy types (it’s a great book so far) –

    Russsia…i accordance with its constitutional character, it would represent the principle of order, but influenced by the character of its rulers, it seeks to propagate tyranny under pretext of remedying anarchy; as though arbitrary power could remedy any evil! It is the elements of moral principle that this nation lacks; with its military habits, and its recollections of invasions, it is still occupied with notions of wars of conquest, the most brutal of all wars; whereas the struggles of France and the other Western nations will henceforth assume the character of wars of propagandism.

    There you have the contrast that lasts to this day; the liberal West primarily wages wars of propaganda (the US did not want to occupy Afghanistan, but to morally convert it). In other words wars of “moral conversion”. The tough guy masculine types wage wars of conquest, which belong to a previous age.

    When he says “it is the moral principle this nation lacks” he doesn’t mean they are an immoral people (elsewhere he praises their kindness), he means they do not yet understand the true battle is for men’s minds, that the battle is one of “moral persuasion”, not brute force..

  284. Speaking of the Русский Мир, aka RusFed.

    Tigran Hachikian, an Armenian, who moved to Piter from Uzbekistan (yes I know, it’s weird), has just tried to attack cops near a downtown metro station.

    He was disarmed by a cop who got badly wounded in the process.

    The terrorist supposedly put the Soviet World War II hymn : “Rise up o mighty land !” on a Bluetooth speaker while he was preparing his weapons (two rifles, molotov cocktails etc.)

    Probably some Internationalist commie extremist who wanted to “celebrate” the anniversary of the war in Ukraine.

    https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/7919

  285. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows.

    Out of curiosity I’ve been trying to find the background story behind the 1969 Polanski London townhouse painting below for some time now, but with few results.

    A depiction of a Bronze Age Tollense River like battle/massacre would fit the bill. [And, yes, the two subjects of the painting do bear an uncanny resemblance to Charles Manson and his chief lieutenant, Tex Watson. Sharon Tate is pictured in the foreground.]

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    ‘Their leader systematically smashed in the skulls of the victims.’

    ‘The new study suggests that a group of bandits had robbed and then “mercilessly slaughtered… a group of diverse vendors passing through the region, likely to set up a market, and some were travelling in a large caravan.”

    ‘Europe’s oldest massacre shares similarities with the haunting and unforgettably violent Episode 4, Season 6 of The Walking Dead. In this episode, one group of survivalists ambushed another, and their leader systematically smashed in the skulls of the victims with a baseball bat.’

    ‘Among the weapons found at the Tollense battlefield was an ash wood club “in the shape of a baseball bat” and another “mallet shaped stick,” made from a sloe bush (Prunus spinosa) branch . Today, both species of wood are still prized for their elasticity and strength.’

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  286. @QCIC

    It was an appropriately somber day that I finally made the trip to South Bound Brook, New Jersey to visit the grave of the Ukrainian nationalist leader Mykola Lebed — a Nazi collaborator and war criminal who worked for the CIA throughout the Cold War — and the memorial he helped establish at St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery

    That isn’t the one I was thinking about. The one in Ellenville has an annual festival where they have picnic games for the children while they teach them to hate Jews and Commies and Poles and Germans and &c. and &c.

    https://forward.com/news/462704/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-united-states/

    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid. You won’t find any pictures of her at these events. They were grooming her for bigness.

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  287. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:

    China’s peace “plan” sounds like a Miss Universe beauty contest answer. How they got their reputation among some as a diplomatically intelligent country, I’ll never know. This list is meaningless and can be interpreted in every single way.

    Doubltess some Putin shill here will try. A sort of “see, if I give it my incredibly biased interpretation then it justified everything I’ve ever said.”

    But really, this isn’t a peace plan any more than the words “peace plan” are a peace plan. I honestly hoped for something with serious details, like internationally administered referendum in Crimea and troop withdrawals or whatever. Not this banal bullsh*t. The CCP is a clownshow.

    • The sovereignty of all countries is respected
    • Abandoning the Cold War mentality
    • Ceasing hostilities
    • Resuming peace talks
    • Resolving the humanitarian crisis
    • Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (PoWs)
    • Keeping nuclear power plants safe
    • Reducing strategic risks
    • Facilitating grain exports
    • Stopping unilateral sanctions
    • Keeping industrial and supply chains stable
    • Promoting post-conflict reconstruction

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  288. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid.

    She couldn’t have joined even if she wanted. Vicky Nuland is of Jewish ancestry, the Ukrainian nationalist’s love affair with the Jewish lobby is a very recent thing. For most part of their history, Ukrainian nationalists were “The Pogromists” par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal – the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.

  289. @German_reader

    Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    Some of the auto racing reports are good so you are exaggerating a little.

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  290. @Ivashka the fool

    Her family fled the 1900 time pogroms. I don’t think too many Ukrainian Jews survived the WWII episode where the Bandera fellows got the crazy virus.

    Have you ever read about her dad? He was a tortured genius. He received electric shock therapy back in the day when they really messed you up with big volts and big amps.

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    , @Ivashka the fool
  291. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have you ever read about her dad? He was a tortured genius. He received electric shock therapy back in the day when they really messed you up with big volts and big amps.

    Bad enough, true.

    But, at least he wasn’t forcibly lobotomized by the ‘doctors’ of those times with an ice pick like the poor Kennedy daughter was.

  292. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Asian Le Mans Series 2023 had four races in total. This is the first.

    I have not had the opportunity to watch any of them yet.

    Hopefully this is the last “travel restricted” season. To deal with the WUHAN-19 virus impediments, all of the races were again held in the Persian Gulf region over a short time frame. This allowed competitors and crews to assemble and stay, thus avoiding entanglement with quarantine rules.

    There is much speculation that Asian Le Mans Series 2024 will run races in Japan (Suzuka and Mount Fuji) a week or two apart.
    ____

    https://sportscar365.com/lemans/asian-lms/qualifying-delayed-after-accident-for-dinamic-porsche/

    Car #54 had a minor issue during qualifying.

      

    PEACE 😇

  293. @Emil Nikola Richard

    No I don’t read about these types, let me guess though – they must have been Socialist in the early decades of their life in the US, Trotskyites probably. Before reading “muh Leo Strauss” and being converted into Neocons.

    Viky must despise and hate all these “drunken Slav Pogromists” on both sides of the front with a terrible intensity. Russians as heirs to the Tsarist Empire and Ukrainians as the descendants of the perpetrators.

    Her cookies will be hard to digest.

    [MORE]

    Funny and sad at the same time how naive the Slav are, the fact that most of us are rather forgiving and have a short memory towards the misdeeds of others, doesn’t mean that everybody’s like that.

    Fits well with the typical CWC attitude I was writing about when discussing the BB & CWC anthropology : “my dad killed your grandpa, now let’s be friends and live happily ever after. Your granda killed my dad, but I don’t mind, let’s be friends etc.” Some people never forget and never forgive, these people are dangerous. Especially when they hand you cookies…

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  294. @S

    I agree that it is quite strange. Perhaps they have time travel machines, as in the Time Patrol series by Poul Anderson that I liked reading when I was a kid. Would explain things.

    Re. the Tollense battle, funny how they first described it as the most important battle of the whole European Bronze Age period, then analyzed the genetics, never published the haplogroups, and then stopped talking about it, now just presenting it as “robbers” attacking a “peaceful merchants caravan”. Klyosov has written about it, half seriously wondereding : “Just what are they hiding ?”

    Well, it’s easy to understand if one pays attention…

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    , @S
  295. A123 says: • Website
    @Ivashka the fool

    Time travelling Nazi aliens.

     

     

    ST:Enterprise Season 4

    PEACE 😇

  296. @Ivashka the fool

    Alfred de Custine, writing on the Grand Duke, gives this amusing description of Slavs –

    The kind of grace by which he is distinguished, reminds one of that peculiar charm of manner which seems to belong to the Slavic race. It is not the expression of the quick passions of southern climes, neither is it the imperturbable coolness of the people of the north: it is a combination of simplicity, of southern mobility, and of Scandinavian melancholy. The Slavs are fair-complexioned Arabs;.

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  297. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time. It was built on Marxism, which was a genuinely bold and new way of looking at the world, and an interesting potential solution to the eternal misery of the poor, newly made visible by the industrial revolution.

    Dickens is good on the misery of the industrial revolution, but most people miss how delighted factory workers were to escape their previous even worse miseries.

    And Leninism died pretty quickly, even though it was the only serious alternative outside of the liberal paradigm. Nazism did too. So has Islamism. And whatever you want to label what China is cooking up is on limited time too. The absurdity of the CCP is there for anyone to look at, if they’d merely try.

    Also, ideas can be highly intelligent but wrong, and may need a couple of decades to end up getting wisely rejected. The Soviet Union didn’t survive the generation that built it. The very next generation closed it down as soon as they worked out how. With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.

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    , @AnonfromTN
  298. songbird says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Were you ever the commentor Tyrion? (or something to that effect)

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  299. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    The Arabs were in high regard in France at the time, while Russian Empire aristocracy was more than 60% non- ethnic Russian, including the Romanovs themselves who were of 90% German ancestry by the time of Russian Revolution.

    Therefore A) De Custine was of a favorable opinion of the Grand Duke, B) it was not a Russian/Slav that he was describing, C) as most Frenchmen describing foreign lands that they visit, De Custine was somewhat affected with a peculiar cultural myopia that allows them seeing (without truly understanding) only what is put squarely in front of their noses.

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  300. @LatW

    Right, in my response to Beckow I quoted Alfred de Custine perceiving already in 1843 that the West would shift away from wars of conquest and towards wars of propaganda. Its quite remarkable prescience for so far back.

    Right, my ideal is very benign (and above all, people should be loved and taken good care of, the strong must support the weak, but that only means there need to be more of the strong around).

    But this could almost be considered the liberal credo 🙂

    Well, it’s been said that conservatism is the liberalism of a few decades ago. I am certainly not a fan of much of what passes for liberalism these days.

    As for Unz commenters, most on this forum are not so bad, but most of the rest of the site just has some of the most odious people, both commenters and columnists. I would not want to form a society with them – but you’re right, they’re likely too anti-social to really form a functioning society.

    But if you’re talking about a potential right-wing pariah, we need to be clear about based on what? If they live peacefully and are not openly aggressive towards their neighbors in their little or not so little realm, then there is no reason to make them a pariah

    I’d agree up to a point. But I do think there is a moral threshold beyond which cruel and oppressive internal policies should make one a pariah. I mean, in my personal life, there are some people I refuse to deal with even though they’ve done nothing to me.

    I think that’s a basic stance of any decent and moral person – some actions, some countries, some people, even if they haven’t harmed me, are beyond any moral pale that I want to be a part of. We have to condemn the truly evil when we see it – we have a responsibility to do that, and to shun it.

    Someone like Vox Day, for instance, and many figures among the alt-right, are people that I would personally treat as pariahs – I would deal with them on the spiritual level, out of compassion, and even be kind and gentle to them on that level, but on the social, economic, or political level, I would shun them to the max.

    Of course I don’t include traditional conservatism in this – not at all. But this new beast, the alt-right, is often simply evil. There is no other way of saying it, and we all must draw our lines somewhere.

    We enter the realm of subjectivity here. Who gets to decide that? Happiness is subjective. If you take a utilitarian approach and find things that bring the maximum good to the maximum number of people, then you might have a point. No need to deny wellbeing to humanity if such wellbeing can easily be promoted and expanded.

    Exactly, no one gets to “decide” 🙂 I’m proposing a completely different model that takes us completely away from the usual models of coercion in any form. An entirely voluntaristic model.

    For instance, I read last year an interesting book about the spread of Christianity. Apparently, the early Christians were not great proselytizers, unlike the later ones.

    Rather, their lifestyle was so visibly different from their pagan neighborhoods, and involved so much visibly greater charity, compassion, friendliness, and good cheer, that it’s inherent appeal caused the new religion to spread like wildfire.

    If a way of life, a philosophy, an attitude, is truly more conducive to human happiness, it need not use any coercion whatsoever – at most, it may use rhetoric.

    Btw, this is a withering criticism of Woke and cancel culture.

    As for the Ideal, it is always being realized, but always imperfectly. That’s why it reaches into the past but also stretches into the future. Everything in the Past and in Tradition that has realized the Ideal – and there is much! – must be rescued and restored, preserved and built up on, but everything that was just human, all too human, must be jettisoned – and at the same time, one must be ever reaching towards greater realization of the Ideal (we never fully realize it in this sublunary realm)

    So it’s a dual-movement that looks both to the past and the future – a culture that has abandoned it’s past has abandoned the Ideal. But a culture that worships it’s past has also abandoned the Ideal.

    The Ideal is timeless and without change but in a sense our movement towards it is infinite. Early Christian writers wrote about infinite movement within a larger context of the timeless and unchanging.

    Anyways, this is getting quite abstract 🙂 And yes, I don’t mean Plato’s specific political totalitarianism.

    As for Zelensky, I appreciate your remarks. To be honest, I don’t have any firm opinion of him per se, and I was objecting more to the idea that the only reason a Jew might stay in Ukraine, was not a genuine sense of values, but out of a calculation where best to utilize his specific talents. But I do appreciate your remarks on him here.

  301. @Ivashka the fool

    He had a complex picture of the Grand Duke, but he praised him highly in many ways. Immediately after my quote, he mentions the Duke is half-German, but that many Germans are of Slavic extraction in those regions.

    I am pleasantly surprised that Custine is not at all unremittingly hostile to Russia or Slavs, but had a nuanced view and praises them in many ways. To quote him from his preface –

    Besides, having seen much to admire in Russia, I have been able to mingle many praises in my descriptions.The Russians will not be satisfied; when was self-love ever known to be? And yet, no one has ever been struck more than I, by the greatness and political importance of their nation. The high destinies of these people, these last comers upon the old theater of the world, engaged my mind during the whole time of my stay among them. The Russians, viewed as a body, appeared to me as being great, even in their most shocking vices; viewed as individuals, I considered them amiable. The character of the common people I found much to interest: these flattering truths ought, I think, to compensate for others less agreeable. But, hitherto, the Russians have been treated as spoiled children by the greater number of travelers.

    But these Orientals, habituated as they are to breathe and dispense the most direct incense of flattery, will be sensible to nothing but blame. All disapprobation appears to them as treachery; they call every severe truth a falsehood; they will not perceive the delicate admiration that may sometimes lurk under my apparent criticisms—the regret and, on some occasions, the sympathy that accompany my most severe remarks.

    Forgive him his remark about Orientals – this was on 1843.

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  302. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time.

    I think the general issue is that politics is about power, not necessarily truth or morality, and ability to wield power doesn’t only depend on the intellect, or always living up to standards of truth and morality.

    With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.

    Parts of Leninism and parts of Marxism (the ‘Early Marx’) seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance in influence lately.

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  303. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird

    No, but I like the following comment by “Ethan” which the commenter “Tyrion” liked.

    Guide for Spotting Anti-Semitic Political Writer:

    1) The subject seems obsessed with all things Jewish…how many articles has the person written about Jews this or that?

    2) The subject claims a Jewish cabal controls X, then lists a bunch of actors involved in X, half of whom are not even Jewish. Example: The Jews control the media, just look at all the Jews in the media: Bloomberg, Murdoch (not actually Jewish), Bezos (not actually Jewish), Saban, Turner (not actually Jewish), etc etc.

    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something. For example, subject lists all the Jewish neo-cons (and don’t forget, half the folks on his Jew list are not actual Jews), neglects to tell us about all the non-Jewish neo cons, and also neglects to mention that MOST of the Jews in congress opposed the Neo-Cons and voted against the Iraq war resolution.

    4) The subject makes the claim that Jews control X, or favor Y. As if all Jews have a secret meeting where they come to a consensus on everything…..forgetting for a minute that Jews in actuality occupy the spectrum of political opinions like any other group.

    5) The subject always claims self-righteously, that the MSM is trying to silence them, not because he/she is practicing obvious bigotry, but because the MSM is….controlled by….guess who….not the Armenians…….not the Greeks….getting warmer…The JEWS!

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  304. @Triteleia Laxa

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time. It was built on Marxism,

    Someone on the previous thread called for a collection of Soviet-era jokes. In Soviet times in college we had obligatory courses of Marxist philosophy and a few similar things. Here is student joke about that:

    Philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room.
    Marxist philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room knowing beforehand that it’s not there.
    Marxist-Leninist philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room knowing beforehand that it’s not there and once in a while exclaiming “Gotcha!”.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  305. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts

    I think the general issue is that politics is about power, not necessarily truth or morality, and ability to wield power doesn’t only depend on the intellect, or always living up to standards of truth and morality.

    Intellect is extremely important for getting your hands on power, and has only become more important as we’ve moved into the age of the large bureaucratic state.

    Parts of Leninism and parts of Marxism (the ‘Early Marx’) seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance in influence lately.

    Do they? I don’t see a lot of evidence of that. Where?

    Marx has just become a signifier for “concerned for the oppressed/poor/inept” which is an annoying signifier but not actually Marxism, more a healthy societal instinct that often gets taken too far.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  306. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    His remarks about the Orientals are entirely justified even today, try writing something unflattering about China, India, Pakistan and even Japan and Corea online on some Asian, massively accessible forum, and see what happens. But Russians are not Oriental. I believe De Custine here represents the French version of the “Wogs start in Calais” attitude. Anyway, I am not really interested in his opinions about a long defunct Imperial Russia. Despite its faux imperial grandstanding, RusFed is another beast all together, this is what the World is witnessing today to the surprise of many.

    I of course am not surprised in the slightest. Because I have known it to be fake and gay for decades. Since 1993, as Pelevin most probably did…

  307. @War Observer

    turbo-vatniks like AnonfromTN

    I am glad that the likes of you disapprove of me. If any one of your ilk approved of me, I’d be really worried, frantically asking myself “where did I go terribly wrong?”.

  308. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something.

    I tried to lay this out as well. Which is the “Jewish” side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    Zelensky went out of his way to offend Palestinian Jews in his speech to the Knesset. Then he doubled down on hating Jews in a recent UN vote.

    Putin has a cadre of Jewish supporters in his inner circle. Netanyahu and Putin are known to be friendly and well disposed to each other. Russia and Israel have a wide array of shared interests. The last thing either wants is conflict over Syria.

    If Jews were backed into a corner, Palestinian Jews would chose Russia. That is a no brainer. Thus, American progressive Jews would be left with a problem. Would they snub their coreligionists?

    PEACE 😇

  309. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123

    Yes, of course many Israelis would choose Russia, because Russia’s actions, if successful, would break the status quo that stops Israel from annexing the West Bank and clearing the Palestinians out.

    And this is why Israel is not a country to listen to on any matters other than them, and their few directly neighbouring countries, where it would be best to ensure they don’t go back to bullying the Lebanese again, or some other minor gangsterism in an already far too gangsterish region.

    • Replies: @A123
  310. @A123

    Which is the “Jewish” side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    I would say both sides, but to be certain, we should ask at least three Rabbis belonging to three different religious schools. That way if two of them disagree on this issue of outstanding importance, the third might make the difference in aligning with one of them. And I would really appreciate if one Rebbe was a Karaite, they have a special say on Crimea.

    🙂

  311. A123 says: • Website
    @A123

    ADDENDUM — Yesterday was interesting at the UN: (1)

    Earlier this week, the US succeeded in stopping a vote at the UN Security Council against the expansion of illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank, with the help of the UAE and the Palestinian Authority (given the PA withdrew the bill under pressure).

    On Thursday, Israel joined 140 other UN member states voting in favor of a nonbinding resolution that calls for Russia to end hostilities in Ukraine and withdraw its forces.

    Can you say — Quid Pro Quo? I knew you could.

    Thursday’s vote was about other issues. No change in position from Palestinian Jews.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-joins-un-vote-calling-russia-end-military-occupation-ukraine

  312. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    If the alt right had listened to Ethan, it would not be a deader than dead movement now, represented by people who think videos like this are sympathetic or will make them popular. What does he think he’s going to achieve by harassing random Jews on the street with aggressive posturing and verbal abuse?

    I find this totally alienating. How has it gotten this bad and bizarre?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
  313. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, of course many Israelis would choose Russia, because Russia’s actions, if successful, would break the status quo that stops Israel from annexing the West Bank and clearing the Palestinians out.

    Palestinian Jews would like non-Palestinian Islamists to leave while allowing Palestinian Christians to stay. Imagine how joyous Bethlehem would be at Christmas once free of Muslim occupation.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  314. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    -1- Something happened
    -2- The U.S. establishment exploited it
    -3- Therefore #2 caused #1.

    This simply does not hold up to scrutiny

    It’s too bad that you’re not able to use your own formula of logic and apply it to the situation in Ukraine. I’ll spell out #1 explicitly for you, so that you’re finally able to understand it all:

    Russia (the aggressor) attacked Ukraine. Ukraine is defending itself.

    Good logic formula, only you’ve had a long history of being unable to fill in the different players. I hope that this finally helps you put it all together.

  315. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123

    Palestinian Jews would like non-Palestinian Islamists to leave while allowing Palestinian Christians to stay. Imagine how joyous Bethlehem would be at Christmas once free of Muslim occupation.

    I don’t care who you think the real Palestinians are. Everyone there deserves each other. They’re just enjoying the drama too much to realise it. From what I’ve recently read, Barak’s plan in 2000 was reasonable. The Israelis are just waiting for a Palestinian leader with the credibility to agree, some sort of Mandela figure. This expansionist dream you have is stupid and not going to happen. Yes, another 80 years of this ridiculous fight would be even worse, but enacting your plans would probably just extend it in other ways, while being otherwise totally objectionable.

    • Replies: @A123
  316. Mr. Hack says:
    @LatW

    I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a “nobody” in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn’t want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.

    Oh come now LatW, you must let the cat out of the bag now. What is left of UNZ if we supplicants don’t adhere to UNZ’ bold credo:

    A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

    No UNZ reader (including yourself) comes here looking for the same drab information that can be gleaned from watching the 6:00 news, right? 🙂

    • Replies: @LatW
  317. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Ukrainian nationalists were “The Pogromists” par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal – the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.

    I’m not myopic enough to dispute what you’ve written here, and even would add that some within the Ukrainian American diaspora have heartily embraced the term of “Zhydo-Banderivtsi” when describing Ukraine’s current crop of political leaders, but don’t you really think that Russian anti-Jewish behavior rivals the worst of what could be seen within Ukraine’s history? Wasn’t the banishment of Jews to the Pale of Settlement (mostly within Ukraine) a reflection of Russian chauvinist mentality?

    And weren’t the poroms (also within Ukraine) directed against the Jews by the Russian Black Hundreds in the early 20th century another result of strong Russian chauvinism? The Black Hundreds also were known for burning down Ukrainian schools and cultural centers, very reminiscent of what’s going on within Ukraine today. As far as the “zhydo-Moskal” imagery that you refer to, I think that it developed in response to the real perception that so many Bolsheviks from the north that invaded Ukraine, had a Jewish ethnic identity.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
  318. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    This expansionist dream you have is stupid and not going to happen. Yes, another 80 years of this ridiculous fight would be even worse, but enacting your plans would probably just extend it in other ways, while being otherwise totally objectionable.

    Iranian Hamas unilaterally destroyed the fresh water supply for Gaza. Barring some massive breakthrough in technology, desalination is unaffordable. There is no hope until consumption adjusts to the natural resource problem that Islamic colonists created for themselves. The only option to alleviate the suffering is for ~75% of the population to move to a new source of potable water.

    Once over 1MM people are on the move out of physical necessity, it opens the door for new thinking. There no reason why a larger movement is inherently objectionable. Physically separating the bulk of the incompatible populations largely fixes the problem. They may not like each other, but the hot heads cannot turn rage into action.

    Barak’s plan in 2000 was reasonable. The Israelis are just waiting for a Palestinian leader with the credibility to agree, some sort of Mandela figure.

    There were options back in the late 70’s with the Carter efforts. Ehud Barak’s 2000 proposal was DOA before negotiations ever had a chance: (1)

    Arafat didn’t negotiate – He just kept saying no

    Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: “You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe.” A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.

    Today Barak portrays Arafat’s behaviour at Camp David as a “performance” geared to exacting from the Israelis as many concessions as possible without ever seriously intending to reach a peace settlement or sign an “end to the conflict”.

    “He did not negotiate in good faith; indeed, he did not negotiate at all. He just kept saying no to every offer, never making any counterproposals of his own,” he says.

    Arafat’s successor Abbas is equally intransigent. He is in the 19th year of his 4 year term in office. Fatah has shaky control in the West Bank. Even more awful Iranian Hamas rules with an iron fist in Gaza.

    Coherent & credible leadership from the Muslim colonies would improve the situation. However, there seems little hope of such figures appearing.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

  319. @AnonfromTN

    Zero point trying to debate with this subhuman scum Phillip Owen, as if he is giving genuine viewpoint and argument…..and not a total POS.

    Obviously Russia is the complete opposite of fascist state. I think there are several aspects of American life that are undesirable but if it’s domestic life is “fascist” is not something I think, but “fascism” is obviously a huge part of how it effectively now governs internationally all across the world.

    How you could say the American state system in domestic form is fascist is how subhuman diaspora lobby groups and other ones ( shale companies or areas where shale oil/gas international exportation are desired) via their voting and financing help determine domestic governments …..which then helps dictate their international policy in addition to “deep state” psychopaths.

    No other country in the world does international policy get dictated for such insidious reasons to a foreign state for its own domestic reasons – and often by people with zero or superficial knowledge of the country they are trying to dictate to.

    One thing to remember at the start of last year under American assistance, the 3 countries being directed the most to move away from Russia:

    Moldova – leader of opposition, former President Dodon – house arrest

    Ukraine/404- leader of opposition Medvedchuk – house arrest,then jail, then treated as a POW under violation of about a million different international laws ( and fkheadistan has zero problem with impossible to serve in military, as 69 years old, Medvedchuk getting treated as POW), former President Valtsman/Poroshenko – is serious possibility of getting jail
    Gruzia – oppositionist, former President Saakashvili…..in jail ( a great thing, but for completely wrong reasons)

    Moldova has some American funded and educated Romanian bitch as President, with most of the Constitutional court and top government positions Romanian passport holders.

    Its a combination of anti-Russian political purges, and fighting for American pigfeed…..by accusing eachother of being anti-Russian that perfectly shows the pitiful freakshow that is post-soviet , anti-democratic, anti-Russian statehood under American control.

  320. @Mr. Hack

    but don’t you really think that Russian anti-Jewish behavior rivals the worst of what could be seen within Ukraine’s history?

    I don’t.

    The Jews have never been “expulsed to the Pale of Settlement” they lived in the Pale of Settlement when the Tsarist Empire annexed these lands. The policy was to prevent them from migrating to the Great Russian core where they have never lived in significant numbers before the revolution. Any Jew who got higher education or became a first guild merchant was accepted beyond the Pale and in the capitals. I have personally known Jews in Moscow and Piter whose ancestors came there in the nineteenth century simply because they studied and were successful. Also, Jewish settlers have been allowed in the Novorossya towns and especially Odessa where they prospered.

    The actions of the Black Hundreds were mostly in response to the terrorist attacks by the (mostly) Jewish Socialist radicals. A pale equivalent of what the Israeli do today to punish the Palestinians after any terrorist attack against Jewish citizens.

    These two historical aspects of Tsarism doen’t even come close to Uman’ massacre, the pogroms under Petliyura and the second World War extermination of Jews in Ukraine carried with the help of Ukrainian, mostly Galician, nationalists.

    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.

    Moreover, the Red Army, in which Russian soldiers were the majority, paid a heavy price in the battle against Nazism as also did ethnic Russian civilians.

    Therefore, nothing in Jewish-Ukrainian historical interactions can be compared to Jewish-Russian interactions.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  321. Something I don’t get is why so many pro-Putin Russians and their supporters live in Western countries, especially the UK. They hate the “evil UK/West” so much yet still consider it better to live here than in their own shithole. Isn’t that kind of pathetic when you think about it?

    I recall an article a few months back about a Russian in the UK who attacked someone in a car park because his car had a Ukrainian bumper sticker on it. Sadly I don’t think this sentiment from Russians is particularly rare in the UK, yet why do they stay here? Are they sleeper cells?

  322. German_reader says:
    @Europe Europa

    Are they sleeper cells?

    Probably just waiting for their chance to poison you with Ricin or Novichok.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  323. @German_reader

    You make light of those attacks, yet if a British agent did the same in Russia you’d scream blue bloody murder.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  324. @AP

    If Russia withdrew from Ukraine I imagine it would all be forgotten in a month, and normal economic ties resumed. It’s incredible how few Western companies have left Russia even with the ongoing invasion and that they are still allowed a platform at the UN. They really have got off incredibly lightly.

    Westerners are not very vengeful contrarian to Russian claims. I find most British and Americans uncommitted, ideologically vague and more than a bit cowardly. Hence Russia is able to run rings around the West despite not having particularly intelligent leadership themselves.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  325. @Europe Europa

    1) Most Russians in UK or anywhere else in the West are not pro-Putin.

    2) Specifically about UK, most Russians who got there were either higher skills people in science, finance or technology or they were rich and brought copious amounts of money.

    3) Ukrainian nationalists targeted Russian community organizations such as schools, kindergartens and even Russian Orthodox Churches. In the early days of Ukraine war the Church where my mother prays has been entered by a group of mostly young exalted Ukrainians who claimed the usual vulgar anti-Putin slogans (Путин – ху☆ло, ПТН ПНХ etc.) The police, paid with our taxes had to come in and escort these morons outside the temple. The police had to keep patrol cars nearby for a couple of months.

    If I was near the Church that day, I would have probably jumped one of these assholes despite me being against Putin since his day one at the presidency of the RusFed, not being a Christian and being probably the most anti-war commenter on UR.

    Re. living in our shit-hole. No problems, give us back the two trillion $$$ that our oligarchic scum stole with the Western blessing, and that Western banks gladly accepted, then leave us alone for two – three generations to sort it out back home and we would probably go back en masse.

    But we both know that it ain’t going to happen. Probably the opposite will…

  326. German_reader says:
    @Europe Europa

    Well, I concede your main point, I always thought it was pretty sick that a Russian chauvinist like Karlin had British citizenship and was unwilling to give it up. I have zero sympathy for diaspora nationalists of any kind.
    I still think you deserved to be made fun of though, because you made a valid point in a silly way.

  327. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Do they? I don’t see a lot of evidence of that. Where?

    How would one recognise and place them if they were?

    Marx has just become a signifier for “concerned for the oppressed/poor/inept” which is an annoying signifier but not actually Marxism…

    How do you judge what motivated Marx?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  328. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    I agree that it is quite strange. Perhaps they have time travel machines, as in the Time Patrol series by Poul Anderson that I liked reading when I was a kid. Would explain things.

    Hehe, that is an intriguing thought. Wasn’t familiar with the Time Patrol series until just now and checking them out. I find the Polanski London townhouse art piece to be something like a real life Rod Serling Night Gallery painting myself. 🙂

    Re. the Tollense battle, funny how they first described it as the most important battle of the whole European Bronze Age period, then analyzed the genetics, never published the haplogroups, and then stopped talking about it, now just presenting it as “robbers” attacking a “peaceful merchants caravan”. Klyosov has written about it, half seriously wondereding : “Just what are they hiding ?”

    Large numbers of West European self proclaimed ‘progressives’ are basically suicidal and sado-masochistic in their outlook and are constantly looking for something (anything!) they can beat themselves and their own over the head with.

    I once heard here in the states a radio announcer, presumably ‘Anglo’ himself, announcing with what seemed near glee that Anglo demographics had ‘had it’ in a particular state.

    So why in this case would they hide something perhaps reflecting negatively in regards to West Europeans?

    Having said that, and doing my own independent reading of US history where I found certain things we are taught didn’t match the actual events which occurred, I don’t preclude the possibility of human genetic history being distorted, or, simply lied about, for their own reasons..ie ‘out of Africa’ theory possibly.

  329. @Gerard1234

    if it’s domestic life is “fascist” is not something I think, but “fascism” is obviously a huge part of how it effectively now governs internationally all across the world.

    There used to be a disconnect between the US foreign and domestic policy. Every mass murderer in Latin America, all those somosas, papa docs, and pinochets, came to power with the US backing. All over the world the US always found the worst scum a country had to offer and elevated it to power. Militant Ukie nationalists represent a recent example. But internally the regime treated people with kid gloves. It maintained the distance between the two spheres, even Guantanamo concentration camp was established technically not on the US soil.

    However, in the 21st century chickens are coming home to roost. So-called “Patriot Act” trampled constitutional liberties. Numerous Jan 6 demonstrators were sent to prison for nothing, whereas a government thug who murdered an unarmed woman in public was not even investigated. The US government is stealing assets of people and other countries, even though theft is against the law. Public figures who do not toe the woke/pro-Ukie line are losing their jobs, journalists are banished from MSM. Censorship is raising its ugly head everywhere. The chorus of MSM, often copy-pasting from the same script, now rivals the unanimity of the media in Hitler’s Germany. The US is not there yet, but the direction in which it is moving is most unsavory.

  330. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts

    How do you judge what motivated Marx?

    While I’m sure he had all manner of personal, projected and sublimated motivations, it is easy to see how concerned he was with the industrial poor when you read his works.

    One need not demonise someone to reject their ideas.

    How would one recognise and place them if they were?

    They would talk about his work a lot and talk about it accurately. They would also say they support it. This would mean that they would be materialist, teleological and class-based in their analysis.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  331. @German_reader

    Have no problem accepting facts, which can be called inconvienent truths, just can’t wrap head around why this type of “sourced” drivel from not investigating, but parroting journo, is considered as unquestionable evidence, allegedly certainly confirming such truths:

    Today, the secretary general of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the American hand,” the source said.

    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    Meanwhile in real life, teenager “commited anti-communist, cooperating with US spies” Stoltenberg during Vietnam era:

    Stoltenberg’s first steps into politics came in his early teens, when he was influenced by his sister Camilla, who at the time was a member of the then Marxist–Leninist group Red Youth. Opposition to the Vietnam War was his triggering motivation. Following heavy bombing raids against the North Vietnamese port city of Hai Phong at the end of the Vietnam War, he participated in protest rallies targeting the United States Embassy in Oslo. On at least one occasion embassy windows were broken by stone-throwing protesters. Several of Stoltenberg’s friends were arrested by the police after these events.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Stoltenberg

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Wokechoke
  332. @Gerard1234

    Obviously Russia is the complete opposite of fascist state

    Personalist regime, merging of the state and corporate sectors, militarism, expansionism. Contemporary Russia governance definitely has some fascist elements. Only Russia’s complete lack of racialism, it could even be fairly described as anti racialist, would prevent classifying Russia as a truly fascist state.

    The closest thing there is today to the Fascist systems that existed in Europe during the 1930’s is China under the CCP. Russia is more like “fascism with Russian characteristics”

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  333. German_reader says:
    @sudden death

    Hersh’s story may well be wrong in the details, and yes, he’s old, well past his prime and apparently doesn’t employ good fact checkers anymore (the Stoltenberg thing is embarrassing, but calling him “a parroting journo”…well, unlike all the MSM propagandists he did actually uncover several major scandals in his career).
    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn’t an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).

    Russia may have the ability to carry out such an attack, but no motive, unless one comes up with some absurdly contorted bizarro explanation (false flag for disinformation purposes or even more absurd stuff like insurance issues).
    Ukraine has motive, but probably not the capability to do something like this on its own.
    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like “The Americans would never do something like this, it’s against their values!”. Yeah, right 🙂

    Btw, regarding Hersh, I think it’s even possible that he has been fed deliberately false information by US intelligence circles, so they can point out holes and inconsistencies in his story and ridicule it as a “conspiracy theory”. So I’m not wedded to any specific details of his story.

  334. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.

    Undoubtedly true, but the use of the Pale to conduct anti-Jewish pogroms, especially under the reign of Tsar Alexander III’s and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:

    The concentration of Jews in the Pale, coupled with Tsar Alexander III’s “fierce hatred of the Jews”, and the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II, made them easy targets for pogroms and anti-Jewish riots by the majority population.[19] These, along with the repressive May Laws, often devastated whole communities.[citation needed] Though attacks occurred throughout the existence of the Pale, particularly devastating Russian pogroms occurred from 1881 to 1883 and from 1903 to 1906,[20] targeting hundreds of communities, assaulting thousands of Jews, and causing considerable property damage.[citation needed]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement#:~:text=The%20Pale%20of%20Settlement%20included,now%20the%20western%20Russian%20Federation.

    I think it’s unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist. One of his closest and respected ministers, Arnold Margolin, a Jew, supported Petliura during the course of the war, and wrote much to try and absolve Petliura from the label of being a pogromist. During those chaotic times, it was difficult to control all of the actions of the various warlords running amok within the Ukrainian countryside. Petliura’s government had strict prohibitions against any pogromist activity:

    The Ukrainian Government will fight with all its power against violations of public order, will strike the brigands and pogrom instigators with the severest punishment and expose them publicly. Above all the Government will not tolerate any pogroms against the Jewish population in the Ukraine, and will employ every available means for the purpose of combating these abject criminals.

    These words were not just empty slogans. Under Peliura’s government, several military personnel including a general Semsenko were court martialed and ultimately executed for pogrom activity within the Proskoriv area.

  335. @Mr. Hack

    I think it’s unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist.

    French jury begs to differ.

    On 25 May 1926 Sholom Schwartzbard murdered Petliura in Paris. He never denied the fact and stated that he murdered Petliura because he was responsible for 1919-1920 pogroms, in one of which 15 members of Schwartzbard’s family were murdered. French jury acquitted him.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Mr. Hack
  336. Sean says:
    @Greasy William

    China’s goals are to keep the war going as long as possible and to increase Russian dependence on China. China lacks food and energy so having Russia as a junior partner provides them with the resources they need to have a full confrontation with the United States. The goal is not to ever have such a confrontation at all, but rather to have a credible enough threat that the US avoids responding to Chinese actions that the US disapproves of.

    China’s burgeoning strength is due to them winning every hand when abiding by the rules based order, so it is most improbable their actions will violate that order. America’s might though; everyone is happy to play by the rules whereby they are winning. For most of human history China had been around 30% of global GDP. Whether their share will go past in the decades to come is not knowable, yet it seems far from improbable.

    Ultimately it is all somewhat academic as the Russian military is a basket case and shows no capability of achieving operational breakthrough against Ukraine.

    Swift advances by tank drive are a thing of the past (questionable whether they ever were, or a fantasy of military men wishing to cut a dash dash–the advance in NW Europe was dependent of the speeed heady artillery could be mover forward to blast the Germans out of their positions) . Tactical is King. look at the evolving infantry infiltration of Wagner snail’s pace methods in Bakhmut accompanied by artillery support that–in a remarkable echo of the fire support of WW1 Sturmtruppen–is far from pinpoint yet intended to paralyze through mass affect rather than destroy opposing forces.

    Russia could conceivably batter Ukraine enough that Ukraine would be forced to accept an armistice where they give up the Donbas and Odessa and where Ukraine waives the right to join the EU.

    This would still be a severe strategic defeat for Russia. […] Russia would still remain heavily sanctioned and would forever lose its place as a great power, instead being converted into a glorified Chinese satellite.

    They will never ever forget they have to thank the US for that. Throughout the Cold War USSR/ Russia was closer to the US than to China. A complete reversal of that position is a tremendous victory for America? In one generation China alone will be the equal of the US, and assuming Russia is out of the ranks of superpowers they will thirst for revenge for what US did to them. While Russia will try to sic China on the US, it is really difficult to see the US getting into a land war in Asia. There are the islands, most notably Taiwan, and the sea lanes they control, but what Peter Zeihan never explains is now control of those sea lanes can contain the actual and highly successful commercial policy by China that is responsible for its growth. It cannot, they naval presence cannot choke China at all, not unless there is a war. So why on earth would China wish to start a war over islands that are only valuable in a war when doing so would be ceasing to play their strong suite of selling manufactured goods? America will have one generation to stop China by hook or crook and because of the war in Ukraine, were they to act, the US would have to watch their back for a incensed and lurking Russia in any military confrontation with China. After 2050, China will likely be the total equal of America. As De Maistre said hundreds of years ago

    Never is violence stopped by moderation. Never are powers balanced by anything other than contrary forces

  337. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader

    Why would the Americans blow up NS1 and leave NS2 working?

    We also know Russia didn’t want NS1 working as they had already closed it on false pretences while wanting NS2 open.

    Here’s a video of Putin saying this just a week before the explosions:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @German_reader
  338. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn’t an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).

    • How is 17 hours consistent with sabotage?
    • How is 80km of separation an attack?

    You have yet to add a credible proposed explanation. Everyone sees that you are running away, rather than answering simple questions about your own theory.
    ___

    If you insist on sabotage, there are multiple other actors to consider, such as:

    4. The Poles (without U.S. assistance or even notification)
    5. European WEF Globalists (without U.S. assistance or even notification)
    6. Anti hydrocarbon European Greens

    Feel free to add to this list.

    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like “The Americans would never do something like this, it’s against their values!”. Yeah, right

    Not-The-President Biden’s regime has less information security capability than a group of high school cheerleaders. Any U.S. plan would have been blown long before it got underway. Only nutters with an irrational anti-American bias insist on the White House occupant’s competent decision making. Yeah, right.

    I’m not wedded to any specific details of his story.

    • Can you give any details?
    • How about even vague notions?

    Again, it is your responsibility to at least propose something that handles the timing & geography.

    PEACE 😇

  339. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Why would the Americans blow up NS1 and leave NS2 working?

    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.
    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian…Putin is ruthless, but he’s not crazy, and there’s no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.
    But militant Westerners like you will believe (or claim to believe) what’s necessary to keep cracks from appearing in your world view. Not much point to a discussion

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  340. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    On Jens Stoltenberg, he is the son of a well known Norwegian politician and was somehow involved in Norwegian anti-vietnam war protests as a teen. I thought the brief mention of his role as a CIA asset (even as a teen like Greta Thunberg) was fascinating.

    You may call Jens a Redneck, a Trollhunter or a Sealcubbing Polarbearshooting Quisling, it rolls off his back like water off eiderduck fuzz but call him a CIA agent, look at how he recoils : “I’ve been found out!”

  341. Wokechoke says:
    @AnonfromTN

    French Jury was full of kikes though.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  342. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    They would talk about his work a lot and talk about it accurately. They would also say they support it. This would mean that they would be materialist, teleological and class-based in their analysis.

    I’m thinking about who would know about it and be talking or writing about it? There seem to be different ways for ideas to be influential.

    For example, something about Western Marxism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism#:~:text=Western%20Marxism%20is%20a%20current%20of%20Marxist%20theory,Marxism%20and%20the%20Marxism-Leninism%20of%20the%20Soviet%20Union.

    Many Western Marxists believe the philosophical key to Marxism is found in the works of the Young Marx…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Marx

    Could there be ideas around to suggest that the influence of Western Marxist thought is higher now than it was 10-15 years ago?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  343. Wokechoke says:
    @sudden death

    Jens Stoltenberg is a son of a well known Norwegian political figure. Do we want to see how far down the rabbit hole his history as an informant might go? Really?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorvald_Stoltenberg

    wifu was also a oddball. American girls

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Stoltenberg

  344. Coconuts says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.

    I tend to associate interest in this topic in the West with interest in Aryanism and ‘Pan-German’ or WN perspectives, outside of academics and people with some special interests in archaeology.

    Would they mind the Waffen SS/Conquistador behaviour? The part about African origins or dusky complexions would be less appealing probably, maybe the race mixing on that scale would be a problem too.

    The Woke might be interested in terms of putting genocide at the origins of the West, OTOH the genetics part would be less welcome and the theory might have an ‘overkill’ feel about it. If these R1b were dark and came from Africa, there is another problem.

    I think you might have caught the attention of Mikel and me with the BB/R1b theory because of its potential relevance to high R1b populations like the Irish and Basques. The theory reminds me in some way of what I have read about Pan-Slavist ideas of ‘The West’. I think these are only going to be interesting for people from Western countries further West than Germany up to a certain point. The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia’s and the Post-Soviet area.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
  345. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader

    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.

    So the botched job by the Americans just so happened in the way Putin wanted?

    The US never opposed NS1 and it opposed NS2 vociferously for years. Putin meanwhile desperately wanted NS2 open and thought that Germany was reliant on Russian gas, and Putin even had even closed NS1 under false pretences the past few months.

    It is obvious who was motivated to ensure what happened, happened.

    The pipeline Putin wanted closed, got terminally closed. The pipeline Putin wanted opened, was still operable. Meanwhile, it was literally the other way around for the US.

    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian…Putin is ruthless, but he’s not crazy, and there’s no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.

    No, NS1 being terminally inoperable, and NS2 being able to be opened, immeasurably strengthened his position that, for gas to be delivered, Germany would have to certify NS2’s opening. It only didn’t work because Germany had been secretly ensuring that it would have more than enough gas for the winter.

    • LOL: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @A123
  346. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts

    The influence which you’re referring to is Hegel’s.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  347. @Mr. Hack

    Tsar Alexander III’s and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:

    I doubt the Tsar hated the Jews. He just didn’t cave in to the Jewish international finance circles pressuring him to allow an unlimited migration of Jews from the Pale of Settlement and into the main Great Russian cities.

    [MORE]

    Regarding the Black Hundreds’ pogroms, you should read Solzhenitsin and even better Galkovsky to understand the dynamics. It were the early symptoms of the coming Revolution and Civil War. The Jewry in and outside Russian Empire supported the Revolution financially, through propaganda, and by sending weapons to the Socialist Boiyeviki militias. In Odessa, in 1905 the militias were better armed than the cops and way better armed and organized than the Black Hundreds.

    The Imperial government tried to change the legislation and equalize the status of all citizens including the inorodcy , and it (unfortunately) denied any substantial support to the Russian nationalists. Imperial government adopted a policy of appeasement towards the diasporas.

    One of the reasons of the lukewarm relationship between the Black Hundreds, the Russian Popular Union of Archangel Michael, and the Imperial elite, was due to a substantial proportion of the Imperial bureaucracy and higher bourgeoisie being Ostsee Germans from the Baltic nobility, or Polish.

    Russian nationalists decried the privileges of the ethnic minorities, not only Ostsee Germans and German colonists in Novorossya and the Volga region, but also Armenians in the Krasnodar region. They acted in defense of the ethnic Russian bourgeoisie in its competition against different diasporas and foreign influences. They also supported the emancipation of the Russian peasantry and were mostly Slavophile and deeply devout Orthodox Christians.

    I personally think Black Hundreds did nothing wrong.

    the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II

    Rumors ?

    The proportion of Jewish militants in the Socialist terrorist organizations was an order of magnitude higher than their proportion in the Empire’s population. Of course, Russian saw the Jewry as an hostile force. Especially with the support it received from abroad, mainly UK and USA. The Revolution has proven right those who saw Russian Empire’s Jewry as a mainly destructive force. With only a few exceptions, the Jews of the Empire jumped on the revolutionary bandwagon and committed atrocities against the ethnic Slavs and especially Cossacks that dwarf the pogroms in both scope and intensity. The Jewish Comissar cliché was not a Nazi invention, it was real.

    History has proven early Russian ethnic nationalists right. Just like it will probably prove right Russian ethnic nationalists and national democrats right in RusFed in the near future. Unfortunately, the intellectuals and the elites rejected the Black Hundreds and the present day Russian nationalists. And they ended up paying the price, just like they would probably end up paying the price of Russian people’s betrayal in RusFed too.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  348. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Absurdly contorted reasoning…one could say Putin was quite simply blackmailing Germany…”Lift sanctions/stop help killing Russian soldiers, or you won’t get any gas”…really simple, no need for blowing up one’s own pipelines, which would be rather counter-productive in that regard. US motive for destroying the pipelines is very clear by contrast (demonstration of power that Germany won’t be allowed to have an independent foreign policy, removing the “temptation” of trying to cut a deal with Russia or even just making a diplomatic effort to end the war in Ukraine).
    But I think you know this, you don’t come across as that stupid. Wokechoke may well have been correct when he once called you a professional hall monitor. Really tiresome…

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Wokechoke
  349. @Coconuts

    The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia’s and the Post-Soviet area.

    I agree. The West is different from the Slavdom and probably always will be. It literally goes back millenia. I concur that the westernmost part of Europe has a lot in common.

    We might see it as an “Atlantic Civilization” vs the “Eurasian Civilization” of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.

  350. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    While I disagree with points on your theory. I appreciate that you presented one.

    If 1 of the 4 attacks failed, why is there no physical evidence?

    • A poor detonation would have been recorded acoustically.
    • A full fail should have yielded recovery of unexploded ordinance.

    Are you suggesting a post attack, impromptu conspiracy to race out and obtain the bomb that did not go off?
    __

    There is a real problem with militant anti-American europhiles like GR who will believe (or claim to believe) what’s necessary to keep cracks from appearing in their Merkel worshipping WEF world view.

    They refuse to engage constructively and lash out with troll like anger. Very sad really.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Wokechoke
  351. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader

    Why would the US want to blow up the pipelines when this is what would happen? Literally no point on any level.

    See:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday offered to resume gas supplies to Europe through the intact part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

    “The ball is in the EU’s court. If they want to, then the taps can be turned on and that’s it,” he said in a speech at an energy forum in Moscow.

    Germany, however, said it would not take Russian gas via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that has become a flashpoint in the Ukraine crisis.

    Asked if Berlin would rule out the use of Nord Stream 2, German government spokeswoman Christiane Hoffmann said, “Yes.”

    “Independently of the possible sabotage of the two pipelines, we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1 there was no longer any gas flowing,” Hoffmann told reporters.

    https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-stream-2-germany-declines/a-63416138

    Only Putin had a purpose and that is because he did not know Germany had secretly secured more than enough gas. You’re stuck trying to argue against reality because you’re too mutton-headed to admit when wrong, which you should have done when it became obvious that only the Russian target of NS1 was made inoperable and not the US target of NS2. If Putin had wanted to blackmail Germany, he wouldn’t be trying to sell them gas via NS2. He just wanted NS2 open, which is why he blew up NS1, once Germany lost patience with his lies as regards NS1 being broken.

    You’re stuck defending a theory predicated on NS2 being inoperable and NS1 not. Even if you ludicrously say it was a botched job, there were other pipelines which Germany could have used to buy Putin’s gas, which obviously the US would have known about.

    Blowing up NS1 in no way restricted Germany from buying Putin’s gas. Or Putin’s supposed blackmail. He could have continued regardless as other pipelines, not just NS2 existed.

    What stopped Putin’s blackmail was that Germany had already secured more than enough gas. Putin got played by Germany, while Germany prepared. Hence why despite pipelines being available and Putin offering, it ended up being Germany cutting Putin off! They can’t prove Russia did it, but it is clear they think Russia did.

    Read between the lines:

    “we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1”

    Or maybe now you’re going to argue that the US blew up NS1 and left NS2 working as that is exactly what Putin wanted and so they were doing a false flag on Russia?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  352. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123

    Thanks, and to add:

    Yes, we have lots of videos and quotes from Putin offering to sell Germany gas after the explosions, and German_Reader continues with the delusion that Putin cut Germany off or that the US magically cut Germany off, rather than the obvious: Germany cut Putin off themselves.

    Germany refused to buy Putin’s gas and continues to refuse to buy his gas. They don’t trust him and they do trust the Americans. They obviously enacted a plan to make themselves independent of Russian gas as soon as the invasion was launched. Part of that plan appears to have been to present themselves as having no gas so that Russia would continue to sell them some so they had time to complete their plan.

    And look, it worked. Gas prices in Europe are now lower than even before the invasion, a year ago.

    So we can conclude: Germany was always going to cut Putin off, and of course, the US would have known this. They, therefore, had no motive to blow up the pipelines, never mind the fact that NS2 was not even rendered inoperable.

    Putin was played by the US and the Germans and even blew up NS1 as part of his own bungled farce.

    [MORE]

    Probably the same thing has been happening with Ukrainian casualties, which I’m now a little convinced are far, far lower than the Russian ones, but there have been efforts to convince the Russians otherwise, so they wouldn’t change their strategy. I expect this will be revealed when the war is over. Smart munitions are just so exponentially more effective at making casualties, that the ratio might be 1:5 in favour of the Ukrainians. I’m sure this claim will send Russian shills into a tizzy, but I guess we’ll all see. I give this a 50:50 odds of being true.

    • Replies: @A123
  353. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Europe is united, and under Germany. Only Belarus and Russia are fully left out. The continental power might not have a fertility, ethnic or cultural angle which you prefer, but nor does a single developed country, nor even developing ones that are many decades behind economically. Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too. You’re going to have to realise why people are fine with modern Western policies, and even really like them, other than some conspiracy. Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    , @Ivashka the fool
  354. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Only Putin had a purpose and that is because he did not know Germany had secretly secured more than enough gas.

    “secured more than enough gas”? Lol, if you really think this is merely a matter of making it through a single winter without everything shutting down…

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  355. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader

    The EU gas import price was $27 before the war and is $20 now.

    https://ycharts.com/indicators/europe_natural_gas_price#:~:text=Basic%20Info,28.58%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

    Clearly, ways and means have been found for supplying the EU with gas other than relying on Putin.

    It was a painful transition, that involved big swings in prices, government subsidies and a lot of deception aimed at Russia, resulting in media hysteria, and all sorts of Nostradamus-esque prognosticating, but it was successful.

    There is no way that it could have been this successful without Germany having a plan in place either. The price, falling even at the peak of Winter, doesn’t lie.

    I’ve been telling you not to take Western hysteria about Western failings so seriously for a while, and offering explanations of why it exists and what purpose it serves. And now you have another event that exemplifies my point. Unless you think they’re somehow faking the gas price?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  356. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I partially concur.

    There was capacity available via the Yamal pipeline in addition to the 50% of NS2.

     

     

    The idea of Not-The-President Biden administration orders is ludicrous. What is next Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (1) [MORE]? The German Green party via their puppet Scholz could have easily worked past the capacity issue.

    • Were the German Greens indisputably the big winner? Yes.
    • Does that mean they did it? Not necessarily.

    Flow in NS1 was suspended. Either way, true equipment issue or Moscow orders, it created a maintenance issue. NS2 was loaded, left at pressure, and had no flow for an extended period. Despite being clean and in pristine condition this is also very bad from an industry stand point. The timing and geography point to an accident. The older gear faired worse, also consistent with an accident.

    Regardless of the exploiters rushing in to exploit with naked unabashed exploitiveness… An accident is still the best explanation for 17 hours and 80 km.

    If you want to change my mind. Explain the timing. Explain the geography. I do not believe these are unreasonable standards.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://killertomatoes.com/

    [MORE]

  357. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The Pale is, for want of a better term, The Ukraine (Frontier). Anyone conducting pogroms of Jews would have been a Ukie (Baba Yar is a great example of Ukies without Russian restraint later on), Polish or possibly Greek (this was the case in Odessa). The Russians generally reigned the exuberant excesses in prosecuting rioters.

    the era of pogroms in Odessa was Greeks v Jews and the Jews were no innocent party to the conflict and the Imperial Russians were protective of Jewish interests while personally loathing the scum.

    Nicholas II was a favorite grandson of Queen Victoria and the Danish monarchs and they holidayed together in places like Bornholm, Balmoral and the Isle of Wight. They’d have not received him if he was a frothing at the mouth Antisemite. Victoria was very keen on Benjamin Disraeli and the Rothschilds among others. He was charming and funny by all accounts.

    In fact, Nicholas II suppressed and banned the Protocol of the elders of Zion and called foul on anyone using passages form it.

    Fat lot of Good it did him when the Jews raped and shot his family to death in Ekaterinburg.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  358. Mikel says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    From the previous thread.

    In your latest reply to me you mention an article about 11 Yamnaya remains that were found in Southern Russia where 8 of them had haplogroup R1b-Z2103 and another 2 had R1b-M269 and R1b-L23.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.

    From this you conclude the following:

    Most Yamnaya men were absolutely unrelated to the Bell-Beakers …/… the Yamnaya and the Beakers only distantly related, Yamnaya not really going into Western Europe

    I think that this is wrong.

    But first of all let me say that I’m just trying to understand here because I realized in our discussion that I have some incomplete understanding of ancient migrations in Europe and you have clearly done much more reading on the subject than me, even though a good amount of it seems to be from online sources like Eupedia that I don’t trust very much. I remember having read very questionable theories there in the past.

    Let me also clarify that I have no defined sympathies or allegiances in the Bell Beaker vs Corded Ware conflict. I find both kinds of pottery cool enough for the period 🙂

    So, for starters, you are making strong claims based on a very small sample of Yamnaya people located in a single place of EE. 8 of them had a haplogroup that is not found in Western Europe but even in this limited sample 2 individuals belonged to R1b clades that are upstream of those prevalent in Western Europe (from your own Eupedia image). All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    Furthermore, in the Wikipedia page on the Yamnaya we read the following:

    The same study estimated a (38.8–50.4 %) ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Central, and Northern Europeans, and an 18.5–32.6 % contribution in modern Southern Europeans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.

    Besides:

    Haak et al. also note that their results state that haplogroup R-M269 spread into Europe from the East after 3000 BC.[68] Studies that analysed ancient human remains in Ireland and Portugal support the thesis that R-M269 was introduced in these places along with autosomal DNA from the Eastern European steppes.

    and from the Y haplogroup R1b Wikipedia page:

    Three genetic studies in 2015 gave support to the Kurgan hypothesis of Marija Gimbutas regarding the Proto-Indo-European homeland. According to those studies, haplogroups R1b-M269 and R1a, now the most common in Europe (R1a is also common in South Asia) would have expanded from the West Eurasian Steppe, along with the Indo-European languages; they also detected an autosomal component present in modern Europeans which was not present in Neolithic Europeans, which would have been introduced with paternal lineages R1b and R1a

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b#Geographical_distribution

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?

  359. Wokechoke says:
    @A123

    This is rabbit hole stuff.

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @German_reader
  360. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    She’s from RUSI. Anyway, By Deception Shall We Wage War.

    I find it very difficult to believe that Industrialists in Germany are keen on a supply route from the East being sabotaged. Or that they want it.

  361. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    This is rabbit hole stuff.

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    So you believe there were five conspiratorial actions? Four placements and one desperate recovery after a fail?

    Yep. You are “rabbit holing”.

    All I am doing is asking the same questions, which everyone refuses to address.

    • How is 17 hours consistent with sabotage?
    • How is 80km of separation an attack?

    Instead of emulating GR and fleeing — Stand up, be a man, explain your theory that accommodates the objectively factual geography and timing.

    Accident is a working theory. I am not locked in. Convince me.

    PEACE 😇

  362. Yahya says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too.

    The Great Replacement is not underway in Tunisia. They have between 30,000 to 50,000 sub-Saharan migrants; which is less than 0.1% of the total population. Although I agree with his statements, and the need to preserve existing demographics; the Tunisian president is just trying to win some political points. Nevertheless precaution is always prudent; as Ben Franklin says “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure”. The Tunisian authorities are already following through on rhetoric:

    I haven’t seen objections from the Arabs I follow on Twitter; except for a few diaspora Arabs acculturated to Western norms. Nor is there any negative coverage of this in the Arabic press. The only objections I’ve seen are from the usual suspects: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/23/tunisia-kais-saied-racism-migrants-black-tunisians/

    In Egypt the numbers are more substantial since we border Sudan. Also citizenship is given to persons born in Egypt who are Muslim or can speak Arabic; which is a recipe for disaster. The only impediment to Great Replacement is that most Egyptians are racist towards Sudanese and Somali people; but the citizenship laws need to move towards the Saudi model (paternal requirement); otherwise we are screwed. There should also be co-operation with European states to stem the African tide.

  363. German_reader says:
    @Wokechoke

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @AnonfromTN
  364. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    What a travesty of justice, where instead of sticking to the crime at hand, the assassination of Petliura on the streets of Paris, the French jury decided to become the arbiter of historical grievances. It’s no wonder that such an inverted display of jurisprudence would appeal to your deeply engrained sovok sympathies, as the trial was a focal point of commie propaganda from beginning to end.

    I’m more swayed by the opinions of prominent Jews who lived through these events, not by the circus that was somehow substituted for a court of law. Arnold Margolin, a world renown Jewish legal scholar who lived through these events, had this to say about the times and Petliura’s non-complicity in the pogroms:

    The heavy, responsible act which rests on all members of the government, is now further complicated by the tragic fact that the Jewish pogroms do not cease, and by the realization that the administration has proved powerless to check the terrible violence and murders which took place in Proskurov, Ananiev, etc. I well know that the government does all that is in its power to fight the pogroms. I also know the helplessness of all its members…The Ukrainian government has steadfastly set its face against the pogroms, and it has had no part or responsibility for them.

    No less a Jewish luminary than the Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky, perfectly echoes Margolin’s sentiments:

    It is a fact that neither Petlyura nor Vynnechenko, nor any other prominent member of the Ukrainian government were pogrom makers. I have grown up with them, and I have fought with them against anti-semitism, no one will ever succeed in convincing any Zionist of Southern Russia or myself, that people of such type can be qualified as antisemites.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  365. 216 says: • Website

    Why is FARA not enforced?

    It’s bad enough that Russian unofficial propaganda is riven with communists, but now they are having a communist larp as a conservative.

    You can’t have a pro-US demonstration in Moscow, the same should apply in this country.

  366. @Yahya

    Didn’t Sadat have a Sudanese mother?

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Yahya
  367. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions

    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?

    Failing that, the most plausible scenarios are that their investigation:

    • Gathered minimal evidence
    • Ambiguous or inconclusive

    How much evidence does an industrial accident leave behind?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  368. @Mr. Hack

    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I’m not sure how trustworthy his account is. Sometimes when you really like somebody you can become blind to their faults.

    The Pale is, for want of a better term, The Ukraine (Frontier)

    Not hardly. Most of Poland, Belarus and Baltics and part of Romania. My ancestors were from Kiev, Warsaw, Vilnius and Brest

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Mr. Hack
  369. @Yahya

    So, I know I said I was stepping out for a bit…but I don’t want to leave my business hanging and we’ve finally finished Bondarchuk’s War and Peace so I should give my thoughts.

    First of all, thanks Yahya for recommending it. It’s been an incredible experience; very much worth the time. It is certainly one of the best, if not the best movie that I’ve ever seen. I’m disappointed that it’s over.

    Honestly, there is so much that one could say about the movie that it’s hard to focus on one thing. The movie is truly epic, if one word was to describe it, everything about it epic, and yet it never feels excessive. The pacing is so painstakingly deliberate, but this is a positive feature, and the movie never once felt boring or dragged out even with over a 7 hour run time. In the modern age dominated by frantic, frenetic, schizophrenic film making, this is even more of a contrast than it was back when it was originally produced. The slower pacing is something that I love about older movies, and this embodied it fully. It allowed for much deeper character development. Every scene seemed shot to savor, a visual feast to take in and linger over.

    Obviously the Battle of Borodino deserves mention as the most sweeping lavish battle scene imaginable. Stretching over 35 minutes long, the battle scene gives a full sense of the grinding confusion that it must have been. The number of men and horses involved are completely incredible. Also notable is how the brutality and bravery, horror and honor of war are deeply conveyed with a bare minimum of gore. The excess of modern movies in this regard is actually a distraction, only serving to shock and titillate, but accomplishes little of value to further the depiction. The battles in War and Peace are consummately gripping without relying on cheap shock.

    I did note that the Soviet treatment of the Battle of Borodino came across as a bit excessively triumphalist, since it was still a defeat for the Russians, even if it lead to winning the ultimate war. That’s not surprising though since it was a Soviet movie for a Russian audience. Some slight historical massaging was not unexpected.

    Overall though, there is too much that could be said about the movie and if anyone has read this far, I’ll just recommend that they just watch it. It’s a completely worthwhile way to spend 7 hours of your life, and I don’t say that lightly with movies!

    The kids actually all stuck with it and enjoyed it, which somewhat surprised me. Even the 3 and 6 year olds who couldn’t read any of the subtitles watched it all, which is a testament to the incredible cinematography, acting, costuming, settings etc. Even without the dialog it’s immersive and gripping, a true visual feast.

    Yahya, I suppose I’ll have to look up your previous film reviews and see if I can glean a couple of others to watch next. Do you have any particular recommendations of similar quality films that might also be acceptable with kids? It’s been a bit since I got one of Kurosawa’s films and the ones I’ve seen seemed to generally be fine for the family.

    Thanks again for the recommendation, it’s been extremely enjoyable!

    • Thanks: Yahya
  370. @Mikel

    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    I agree that samples are small. So were also the ancient populations. Most tribes back then were a few thousand people maximum and the largest Tripolye “towns” (villages) were perhaps 10 000 people at most. I am writing this because I agree that a founder effect was more easily established in these conditions.

    [MORE]

    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    What matters are the subclades. Because the subclades are the regional clusters. I don’t think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia (which BTW I didn’t read for many years, but which allows for a great introduction into paleogenetics). This phylogenetic tree picture doesn’t open for some reason and German Reader is wary of me posting trojan infected pics that would allow me “hacking into his HD” (in case you missed the drama, Altan wrote of me hacking into his HD using some pictures, I have no idea where he got this mad idea from), so if you want to have a look, here’s an altered link below do you can cut and paste:

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.pngX

    If you follow the link, you’ll see that 80% of Yamnaya cluster into a lateral Eastern European/ Western Asian (Eurasian actually) branch that is unrelated to all the BB that were found later in Western Europe and clustered in the Italo-Gaulish branch, which is also close to the Ibero-Atlantic one. It is very easy to see on the tree.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.

    They sampled 96 skeletons, of which 14 were those of BB. Presumably, others were from some other cultures. Among the 14, 11 fell into the Italo-Gaulish branch and the other 3 into the ancestral nexus that separate this branch and the Ibero-Atlantic branch together from the rest of the tree. Basically that’s what the original Maritime BB would have been: ZZ11.

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.

    Yes the steppe ancestry did eventually spread everywhere in Europe with later migrations. Celts, Romans, Germanic… I only write about the steppe ancestry being minimal in the early Maritime BB. Later BB descended populations got heavily admixed with the CWC or perhaps some Yamnaya descended populations that were rich in steppe ancestry. That led to Unetice folks and proto Celtic people, and Nordic Bronze Age and proto Germanic/Norse people. Of course Celts and Germans – Norse had as much steppe ancestry as the proto Balto-Slav had. There’s no denying it. But it happened a thousand years later after the Maritime BB. And there’s still a cline of steppe ancestry going East-West to this very day. Imagine how small this admixture must have been in the Iberian peninsula and the British Isles a long time ago, before the Celts, and after them (during the Migration Period), Germans, Norse and even Sarmatians and Alans contributed some to the westernmost Europe.

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?

    Yes we could, if considered the later migrations that I mentioned above and if we considered CWC and Yamnaya also distantly related through the original Mesolithic population of ancestral haplogroup R, the one if the Malta boy (found in Siberia). But CWC and Yamnaya Y haplogroups R1a and R1b are separated by thousands of years, with R1a having split first from Y haplogroup R.

    Hope you had the time to look into the Maritime BB migration article that I posted under the More tag. It’s genetically illiterate, and it doesn’t talk about that, but it is very interesting because it describes how the Maritime BB migrated in Europe along the coasts and into the riverways. It shows what populations they met along the way and where they settled. A nice summary, despite the fact that “pots are not people ” and that looking into the haplogroups would have prevented them from writing that “CWC descended from Yamnaya”.

    And just to be clear, I don’t foment some anti-Beaker agenda on teh internets through posting long convoluted Y haplogroup rants that only a handful of people would ever read on UR. All that happened then, was normal to that period. People were tough unlike us weaklings.

    The BB were powerful warriors, great organizers and they undoubtedly benefitted the European gene pool greatly. They were brutal and domineering because they had the guts and the brains for that. Your probable ancestors were great people, but I am glad that my probable ancestors prevented them from going even further East. I like my genetic lineage and I am glad it survived. I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    , @Mikel
  371. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-demand-tracker#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20we%20estimate%20that,%2C%20and%20December%2013%25%20lower.

    So you don’t understand supply and demand. Among other things like Plumbing.

    Demand is seriously reduced in Europe. Demand is off in the EU by 12% over the last year/years.

    “This dataset tracks monthly natural gas demand by EU country, with a breakdown of the power, industry and household sectors wherever possible. Because there isn’t a timely and comprehensive data source covering all of the EU, this dataset is built by compiling data from a range of sources. A technical annex explains this methodology.”

    Germany is off by 14% in demand.

    In 2022, we estimate that EU natural gas demand (which does not include storage filling) was 12% lower than the average from the period 2019 to 2021. Demand in October 2022 was 27%, in November 24%, and December 13% lower. While in summer months, most of the reduction was driven by industry – in October and November, there was significant reductions to household demand. This was partly driven by warmer than average weather. The start of December was notably cold and household demand reductions were not as large.”

    note the bar graph. Industrial demand in Germany has collapsed by 10%.

    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil. Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.

    • Replies: @S
    , @Beckow
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  372. LatW says:
    @216

    Also, remove the visa waiver for these types for certain European countries. Not that these types will travel there (and not sure how it could be done technically), but it’s a matter of principle. It’s time to reinstate the borders (both physical and ideological).

  373. @Triteleia Laxa

    Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    Laxa, cut it off. I don’t need this accusatory psychobabble. The last psy I talked to didn’t have a theory of consciousness to explain what exactly is it they are working with. You don’t have a theory of consciousness either, so stop the BS. Sort it out between your two ears before you projet onto others online.

    Besides, female accusatory insinuations of laziness bounce of me like a ball from a wall. And just to be clear, I don’t need convincing anyone. We’re on UR for goodness sake, not in some UK parliament session. Nobody cares of what I think or write here and they do well. It is all just a nice conversation, nothing else.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  374. Yevardian says:
    @A123

    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?

    They know where their bread is buttered.

    • Replies: @A123
  375. @Yahya

    An old Algerian Sufi man that I know and greatly appreciate told me once that there’s a proverb in his homeland that predicts that before the End of the Days, Black Africans shall submerge and swamp the Arabs lands. I believe it makes sense while en route to Europe.

  376. Wokechoke says:
    @216

    It’s actually a good challenge.

    1. He’s revived the US MIC

    2. If you liked the Cold War certainties you’ll like the new cold war certainties.

    3. He’s made Biden look decisive and strong.

    4. He’s helped make a Jew in Kiev look Heroic.

    5. Never mind the niggers now, hate the Asiatics.

    6. The crisis in Ukraine externalized domestic disputes in the US.

    7. Putin gave us an excuse or pretext to blow up NS2.phew.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  377. Wokechoke says:
    @Greasy William

    I hate to break it you but this entire area has a liquid flow population. Borders are questionable at best and the boundaries of Poland are essentially elastic. What was interesting about the Pale is that the Jews had free reign of control and settlement in the massive area. An area that is staggering size, but like always the Jews like yourself moaned about being confined to the area by the Emperor of Moscow. Swinish Chutzpah. The Tsar gave you beasts the frontier to exploit and you’ve never forgiven him for it. Give them an autonomous Intermarium and they will rape and shoot your daughters in a Siberian bunker anyway.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  378. A123 says: • Website
    @Yevardian

    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?

    They know where their bread is buttered.

    Islam butters bread? Yes, that is true. (1)

    Stockholm rocked by more gang-related explosions as bombings reach double digits in 2023

    Gangland violence across Sweden shows no sign of slowing down following last year’s record level of fatal shootings in the country

    However, your “IslamoButter” stance does not explain the extremely suspicious lack of physical evidence.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/crime/stockholm-rocked-by-more-gang-related-explosions-as-bombings-reach-double-digits-in-2023/

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  379. German_reader says:
    @216

    You need a Sedition Act like in WW1 for such commie types. Send Jackson Hickle to Gitmo. Or to some hellish prison where he is sodomized by big scary blacks. That’ll teach him not to undermine the Free World.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @216
  380. 216 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    You may be ironypoasting, but that is unironically a good idea. You are on the threshold of fully embracing your vassal status. We can achieve much more working together than against ourselves.

    • Replies: @LatW
  381. LatW says:
    @216

    I have another idea for him. He seems to enjoy ice baths, as well as building grandeur visions for his fellow “American men”, on top of admiring Russia. He would fit right in in Russia. Under-ice fishing (with or without vodichka – although you do have to drink at least a few – to show respect! Does he have what it takes?). All those dips they take in ice cold water for Orthodox Christmas. Both body and soul will be forever strengthened.

  382. songbird says:
    @Greasy William

    He was played by Louis Gossett Jr. in the movie, which was denounced in Egypt, and which resulted in productions by Columbia being banned.

    Yahya should watch it and post a review.

  383. songbird says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No idea who that is, but I have heard of Greenblatt. Very bad optics, but virtually unchallenged power, unless you count a tweet or two by Musk, who himself cancelled Kanye on Twitter.

  384. @Barbarossa

    A long time ago Hollywood had gobs of movies that were excellent in quality and suitable for all ages. We used to have an audience for such things.

    If you want epic with horses galloping Gone With the Wind and Ben Hur are both pretty great. For the former there was a controversy when it came out about the language when the Clark Gable character tells the Vivien Leigh character “I don’t give a damn.”

  385. Mr. Hack says:
    @Greasy William

    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I’m not sure how trustworthy his account is.

    What actually was the extent of their relationship? Why do you think that Jabotinsky actually loved Petliura, and not in an erotic but in a brotherly fashion? If he did, his words that I cited above, actually make more sense.

    Of course you are correct in pointing out the non-Ukrainian portions of the Pale.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  386. S says:
    @Wokechoke

    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil.

    Hall Monitor or Headmistress?

  387. @Wokechoke

    I have my flaws but I can confirm that I had absolutely nothing to do with any Communist warcrimes. All but one of my grandparents were gone by the first World War and the one who didn’t leave until after was the son of factory owner in Warsaw who definitely had no love for Communism, and who I suspect probably liked the Tsar because the alternative was to be ruled by his virulently antisemitic Polish neighbors.

  388. @Mr. Hack

    Why do you think that Jabotinsky actually loved Petliura, and not in an erotic but in a brotherly fashion?

    Everytime Jabo spoke of Petliura it was with overwhelming admiration and he seemed to get disproportionately angry whenever someone accused Petliura of antisemitism, kinda like, “bro, why do you care about this so much?”.

    Honestly, I’m not sure if they were close friends, now that I think about it, although I’m certain they knew each other and worked together. I just assumed that they were because of how much Jabotinsky obviously admired him.

    I always got the impression that Petliura disliked Jews but felt like Jabotinsky was someone he could relate to and work with since Jabotinsky also supported a Jew free Ukraine, albeit for different reasons.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  389. LatW says:
    @Mr. Hack

    you must let the cat out of the bag now

    One year… too long, too heavy, too much. No words to describe it. I’m counting on your people to carry us on forward, for many more years to come. But let’s not forget the wounded.

    Such sweet yet powerful voices and such excellent blending!

    “The Cossacks rode across the fields, the song of their destiny sounded loud, for their freedom, on their horses they rode;

    The Cossacks rode, they sang a song about how they loved and how they fought, for their beloved homeland, for their parents and their friends;

    Across the meadow, the song flows, a young maiden’s heart beats like a little bird,
    She gave her love to a young man, the Cossacks rode back home!”

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  390. Mr. Hack says:
    @Greasy William

    I always got the impression that Petliura disliked Jews but felt like Jabotinsky was someone he could relate to and work with since Jabotinsky also supported a Jew free Ukraine, albeit for different reasons.

    I never got the impression that Petliura was a proponent of a Jew free Ukraine? I was always under the impression that he felt fortunate to have this educated ethnicity within Ukraine, and tried to court their favor and get them to support his agenda against others vying for power. Obviously you know a lot about these two guys and their dealings. Can you point me to anything worthwhile to read about them and their personal dealings?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  391. Mr. Hack says:
    @LatW

    Thanks for your sincere and heartfelt greetings on this sad day.

    On a cheerier note, the two cossack singers remind me of two other great singers from Ukraine’s past, Solovyanenko and Hnatiuk.

    хай всім героям які лягли за волю і долю неньки України буде пухом земля…

    • Replies: @LatW
  392. @Mr. Hack

    Obviously you know a lot about these two guys and their dealings.

    Actually I don’t. I just know that they knew each other and worked together, I think they were both from Odessa. They both had an ultra nationalist ideology that sort of fused Fascism and humanism, and they both seemed equally oblivious about the contradictions between the two. They were both intellectuals. They both seemed to view the other’s national cause as similar to their own because both involved a large degree of state/nation building.

    I know that Jabotinsky took a lot of flack for working with Petliura because Petliura was widely seen as an antisemite, but Jabootinsky always strongly defended Petliura and insisted that that was not the case. Like I said above, I had always just assumed that they were close friends but maybe they weren’t, I’m not sure.

    • Replies: @AP
  393. LatW says:
    @Mr. Hack

    On a cheerier note, the two cossack singers remind me of two other great singers from Ukraine’s past, Solovyanenko and Hnatiuk.

    Thanks for those recommendations. Solovyanenko was from Donetsk and sang in La Scala. He’s super romantic sounding.

    I listened to both of them and really liked both, they are very different. I think I like Hnatiuk more – such a deep, soothing voice.. it’s always great to hear such a strong yet pleasant baritone.


    Вична память і найглибша вдячність всім полеглим…

    За нашу і вашу свободу!

    🔥🔥🔥

  394. Beckow says:
    @Wokechoke

    …Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.

    The question is whether the drop in demand can be sustained. The demand can be kept low by shutting down energy-intensive industry, higher prices, consumer ‘efficiency’, weather…There are substitutes but they are more expensive or polluting.

    It can be managed but it is a worse energy situation for Europe than previously. The unknown is what will happen if Asia demand goes up based on their fast-growing economies. What the frustrated Leave No Shadow is doing is cherrypicking numbers and aggressively pushing an ideological narrative – that’s never a good way to discuss or get close to the true picture. It is also completely pointless and wasted on this forum.

    Business trends are cumulative and driven by available alternatives. The increase in the cost of energy in Europe, higher labor costs, uncertain finances, combined with a booming economy in Asia mean that the economy will be smaller than it would be otherwise.

    The Hall Monitor thinks it is worth it – they fanatics always do – the only goal is to ‘defeat Russia‘ no matter what. The maniacal obsession is unachievable, but they desire it fervently because their identity is tied-up with the defeat of Russia. They will declare a ‘victory’, again and again, to avoid looking like losers and fools. They have been announcing that Russia already lost ‘200k’ soldiers, Putin is dead, a coup will take place, the economy will collapse in ‘2022’, no in ‘2023’…ok in ‘2025?’…China will switch to the West, or Russians will be enslaved by China…

    Since none of it is likely to happen, the neo-cons like No Shadow have a big problem: if things stay as they are, Russia has 20% of Ukraine, destroyed 30-40% of the Ukie economy, Europe became poorer, China got stronger, no Nato in Ukieland, and the dead will haunt the country for generations. At this point either the West gets a miraculous military break-trough or they have been weakened.

    Good job, Biden, Nuland and the assorted morons dreaming of the ultimate victory over Russia…

  395. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Wokechoke

    Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas. A demand drop of 13%.in December, and trending down from a drop of 27% 2 months earlier, therefore does not explain what happened.

    Furthermore, given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started, it is highly unlikely that demand is also still lower.

    On top if this, the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.

    Germany, in cahoots with America, played Putin and played Putin hard. You’re shrieking that Europe would freeze and collapse was sick and embarrassing. Honestly, of all of the huaman clichés, that of the snivelling, bloodthirsty best little boy is the one I have the least but disdain and contempt for. Try to think rather than just constantly reacting. Obviously a shrinking demand drop of 13% does not account for a getting near to within 13% of completing a plan to get off Russian gas, but that plan is now done.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  396. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive. Russia has 20% of Ukraine, we have no way of knowing what their territorial goals were – if they even existed – so you constant refrain about Kharkov is pointless. Why does Russia need Kharkov? Or Kiev?

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved. Spare us the ‘high spirit’ speeches, the Kiev-Ukraine is smaller, weaker, much smaller economy (30-40%), completely dependent on the West for survival….it lost 5-10 million people, probably permanently.

    You are waiting for the ‘Russian offensive’ because you have created a narrative that ‘Kiev side can never lose!’ For that you need constant affirmations of repeated Russian failures, so you invent what they must do and then when it doesn’t happen, you scream that they failed. It is unreal in its infantilism.

    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let’s be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show.

    Will he? What if he doesn’t? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You are hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all you say. Very sad, get some help…

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes – I think they work, let’s not take a chance 🙂 – they said they would use them in case of an existential threat. Let’s assume all your evil projections are true, then ask a simple question: if in 1944 Germany had nukes and showed them, would either the Russians or Anglos dare to cross the German borders?

    Try to answer honestly and we can go from there. Because this is for all marbles and I would like to keep mine for a while longer…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @LatW
  397. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    This isn’t what you call “psycho-babble.”

    You may not care about persuasion, but dismissing ideas you don’t like as having no value and instead attributing their immense popularity to conspiracy IS “intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive.”

    You’re not the only person to do it either. Plenty of intellectually lazy and easily dismissed progressives do it. They blame Rupert Murdoch.

    Now you might argue that you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such.

    Sorry but “these ideas I don’t like have no value and are just immensely popular because everyone is a sheeeeeeeeep” is a stupid argument.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
  398. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow

    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.

    Ukraine will take the loss, as soon as Russia goes home.

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved.

    Great, then Russia can go home.

    You are waiting for the ‘Russian offensive’ because you have created a narrative that ‘Kiev side can never lose!’

    I’m not waiting for anything. Every pro-Russia commenter was claiming that one would be underway tomorrow, for the last 3 months, even as Russia’s offensive was already underway, but too much of a failure for them to accept it.

    You may claim that there was no offensive and none pushed by such commenters. That’s ok. I won’t disrupt your cope in this area further.

    Please get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine’s effort that will come before July.

    Will he? What if he doesn’t? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You talk constant hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all your pronouncements.

    He will.

    And if he doesn’t get replaced, I will be wrong, and Russia will be truly f*cked. I won’t care about being wrong, but the latter point will upset me greatly.

    And he won’t get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see.

    I also have only goodwill towards Russia and absolutely no desire to destroy the place. I’d only suggest they preserve their young men’s lives by going home and slightly diminish their territory by kicking Chechnya, and Chechnyans, out of the federation. Even my romantic partner is Russian and their entire family is Russian.

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes – I think they work, let’s not take a chance 🙂 – they said they would use them in case of an existential threat.

    Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia. Were it an existential threat, Russia would currently be spending as much of their GDP on the war effort as Ukraine is. Ukraine is actually fighting an existential war.

    On the other hand, the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially. Russians would be lynched on the street in other countries, (which would be a personal problem for me.) Russia itself would likely also be obliterated. No country would trade with Russia and everyone would seek its complete destruction so that the world could again live in a time without constant nuclear worry.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  399. Yahya says:
    @Greasy William

    Didn’t Sadat have a Sudanese mother?

    Yes and he was routinely derided as “Nasser’s black poodle” until he became president; after which Egyptians promptly sealed their mouths. Racism is complicated. My experience is that Egyptians are accepting of mulattos; but will still subject them to derogatory insults; mostly in good nature, but sometimes not. Sudanese and Somali people are already 30-50% genetically Semit0-Caucasian; so the hybrids are 60-70%+ Middle Eastern. Pure blacks otoh are treated like animals. You can call them monkeys on the street and no-one will object. That’s pretty much what happens irl:

    It’s a bit cruel though. It may be a deterrent to migration; but I’d just prefer a strict immigration enforcement regime; and Saudi-style citizenship laws. OTOH, its good that Egyptians are based re blacks; even in the upper segments of society.

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  400. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    …Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas.

    No, around 40% (it varied up and down). Russia still supplies about half of what they did previously, the Turkish Stream and some of the pipes are still working.

    given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started

    And much higher from 2019. The spike around the time the war started was speculation, panic buying and fear of future supplies – nobody thought those high prices were going to stay. The reality that you obsessively try to deny is that the average price for energy in Europe is up and is staying up. Based on time period it is between 40 and 200% higher…explain it to us, who ‘played’ whom?

    …the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.

    Basically a lie. Germany is ‘growing’ 0.6% and Russia 0.3%, in 2022 Russia dropped 2.7%. It is very comparable and if we account for inflation under-counting, the ‘growth’ is questionable. I am not in a position to evaluate whether Russia or Germany understates the inflation more, they both do, but the GNP numbers are squishy…adjusted by ‘inflation’, so it matters. By the way, UK 0.1% growth is worse than Russia.

    In Czechia or Slovakia the inflation is around 20% – and it gets reported between 15-19%, even lower – that artificially boosts the GNP ‘growth‘…but you know that and prefer to lie for a cause…let’s just agree that we are all worse off economically…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  401. @Mikel

    The thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a is dubious at least; 90%+ of what was found in those kurgans were R1b. But the thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a too is dear to many, for some reason which would be worth investigating. David Anthony tried to save it with claims that R1a were the “low-class” part of Yamnaya and as such did not find their place in “high-class” R1b kurgans.
    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry. I get a sense there is a shadow here of this R1a vs R1b conflict Ivaskha talked about, but can’t pinpoint wherefrom this shadow originates.

    The another problem with this is whether or not there was a steppe invasion of West Europe, since there are non-Yamnaya R1b clades in West Europe too. So did one R1b invade another R1b group..? It does not make sense as much as the invasion or plague that decimated neolithic I2 men did make sense. And in fact the only other Y-haplotype found in Yamna is I2, who were to became “helots” of R1b, according to Ivashka.
    Frankly, we could perhaps propose a thesis that R1b invaded East from West, but we can’t because we are committed to the paradigm of both the idea of Invasion from Steppe and Yamnaya as the origin of both R1a and R1b cultures.

  402. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow

    Ok, Beckow, you know the real economic growth rates and your argument here has persuaded me that everyone else is wrong and you are right. Certainly it is that rigorous.

    This is why I should ignore the fact that Russia shrunk this year, but Germany did not, and should ignore the majority of predictions that Russia will shrink again this year, but Germany will not.

    I should also accept that Russia’s gas weapon worked brilliantly because of, well, I can’t follow your arguments but ok, it is likely too brilliant and unbiased for me.

    Russia has achieved all of its objectives in Ukraine and can now go home. Russia has completely destroyed Europe and can now go home. America has never been weaker, so Russia can now go home. Putin is the best, so can now retire in total glory. This war has not been a catastrophe of choice for Russia from beginning until its eventual end. You have not cheerled the worst and most psychotic foreign policy decision in Europe since 1945. All of your predictions were right and now Russia will be bathed in the eternal gratitude of everyone in the fine continent!

    Everyone knows all of this and the only thing stopping them from ectsatically concurring is direct employment by the US Neocon ministry of propaganda. A huge, all-powerful, yet somehow also totally incompetent organisation, that reserves its most special and highly paid operatives to talk to you.

    All of this is absolutely certain and everyone knows it.

    Now you can find another hobby. The bad guys have lost. The good guys have won. You were right all along. Probably this pattern has been repeating all of your life, which is why you’re so satisfied with the geopolitical outcomes.

    I wish you the best. As far as coping mechanisms go, yours isn’t bad. I’m sorry you’ve had to develop it though. Life can be cruel, but I promise you that it has meaning and that things will make sense. It just might be on a timeline longer than you’re expecting.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  403. Yevardian says:
    @A123

    Everyone, the mystery is cleared. It wasn’t the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, or Americans… Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    • Agree: Mikel
    • LOL: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @A123
  404. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    …even as Russia’s offensive was already underway

    Really? How come nobody noticed?

    get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine’s effort that will come before July.

    Ok, I am ready… 🙂 Does it also mean the 50% likelihood of a failure? Do you realize that 50-50 projections are equivalent to saying ‘I don’t know’?

    He will….And if he doesn’t get replaced, I will be wrong…And he won’t get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see….I also have only goodwill towards Russia

    That is incoherent: an oxymoron par excellence…you seem to know nothing and just blow hot air. I don’t buy your goodwill, you are consistently fanatically against Russia as it is – nobody cares about yours (or your partner’s) fantasy Russia. It is like me saying that I have goodwill for England, but they need to let go of Scotland, Wales, Ulster, abolish monarchy, stop eating greasy foods, submit finances to a Prague arbitration board, declare Shakespeare and Queen Victoria totalitarian tyrants, join Catholic Church, etc…you have no ‘goodwill’, only deep hatred of the real Russia as it is.

    Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia

    If Nato moves to Ukraine with bases-missiles it would be an existential threat. In any case, it is up to them to decide – as it would be Russia would move to occupy Quebec or Chine to Ireland.

    the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially.

    Among other places…:)…it would destroy most of the north-western hemisphere, England for sure. Do you really not see that? How would a nuclear war not be two-sided, and how would not most of us be destroyed? Do you hate Russia so much that you are willing to go for it? Or take a chance?

    • Replies: @QCIC
  405. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Lots of bs with no meaning…if you need to talk to a psychiatrist this forum is probably not the right place, there are too many rational people here.

    But I will take it as you conceding – in a weirdly feminine way – that you were wrong.

  406. @Another Polish Perspective

    David Anthony tried to save it with claims that R1a were the “low-class” part of Yamnaya and as such did not find their place in “high-class” R1b kurgans.

    In fact, this could support the R1b migration from West to East since the only way R1b could surely exclude R1a in the East would be through retaining kinship and social organization they had brought from West, where there was no R1a. Otherwise, you can’t easily say who is R1a and who is R1b just by looking at their faces.

  407. Yahya says:
    @Barbarossa

    Do you have any particular recommendations of similar quality films that might also be acceptable with kids?

    Tokyo Story is a must; one of the all-time greats of world cinema. There’s not one scene of nudity or violence iirc. It’s a story of familial obligation and filial piety. If I was a Westerner I’d try to expose them to these values since they are somewhat lacking in Anglo-based societies; where individualism reigns supreme. Not to mention the Earthly benefits that will accrue to you and your wife in old age!

    About Elly is an Iranian movie with a subtle didactic message. A Separation is also a good movie by the same director, but About Elly is more plot-driven and entertaining. Both of these movies make the same underlying message; but they also don’t shove judgements down your throat; allowing the viewer to observe a moral complication from multiple perspectives. I’d recommend them as an antidote to the moral simplicity of kid movies; the mental structures of which collapse as soon as they grow old enough to encounter the ambiguities and complexities of the real world.

    Lord Of The Rings is a no-brainer for immersive entertainment; unlike the other movies I mentioned, you can count on your kids enjoying it.

    I’d also recommend the 1984 version of A Christmas Carol, starring the talented George C. Scott as the miserly Scrooge. I’m sure your kids have already encountered this story before, given its canonical status among Christmas stories; but if they haven’t read/watched the story, I’d recommend this rendition. I’ve also watched the animation; which is quite good; but the 1984 production is more adult-oriented; and the real actors are more convincing than animated pixels. On the Dickens front; there’s also the 2005 adaptation of Oliver Twist; which was panned by critics and viewers; but tbh I thought was a decent production.

    Finally, I’d recommend the 1984 biographical depiction Amadeus. It’s a decent movie but not one I’d rank among the all-time greats; it does not contain the transcendental element of War & Peace or Tokyo Story. There’s a nude scene in there; which was quite silly and totally unnecessary; but no hard sex or violence. I’m not sure why they included that nude scene; otherwise I think Amadeus would be excellent for kid viewing. It’s most important objective would be getting kids to appreciate classical music. The score contains several of Mozart’s greatest and most accessible tunes. I’ve seen some reviews by people who said this movie was their first introduction to classical music. I was already familiar with the genre when I watched it; but I did discover Mass in C Minor which I had not been previously aware of:

    The musical discovery alone is worth the 3 hour watch.

  408. Coconuts says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    We might see it as an “Atlantic Civilization” vs the “Eurasian Civilization” of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.

    In general, I would agree. I think the West has a bigger internal division because of the Germanic/Latin & Northern Europe/Med split, whereas the Slavic world is more unified linguistically. But in more recent times, say since the rise of the US led Western political block after WW2, the significance of this has probably been diminishing. Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.

    There is a memorable little book by Drieu La Rochelle from 1939-40 where he imagines the ‘New European’ as a mixture of German, Russian and American, if this New European man couldn’t be created he thought Europe would sink into impotence and onanism. He seems to have worked by intuition and extrapolating from his own life but his ideas seem to have a weird prescience looked at from the present.

    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

  409. Beckow says:
    @Yevardian

    …Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    I think I know the guys….The timing was accidental, they have been fishing off the Swedish coast for years, plotting the evil act as a misguided revenge on their utility company. They are dislexic and got NS2 and NS1 mixed up…

    It’s all clear now, nothing to see, let’s move on…

  410. Coconuts says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Another interesting 2019 study on Iberian genetics I found yesterday, it shows no RM269 in Iberia until it is already present in Germany, towards the middle of the Beaker complex period (and this is only a single sample). Mostly RM269 seems to have arrived later in Iberia than Central and Western Europe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/

    Some commentary on the above study with clarification about the ‘two Beaker cultures’:

    https://adnaera.com/2019/03/15/the-genomic-history-of-the-iberian-peninsula-over-the-past-8000-years-olalde-et-al-2019/

    I can see there are competing theories about where RM269 originated, but evidence like this is likely why options other than an Iberian/NA origin are being argued for. It may not be clear where it came from.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  411. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
    It’s an interesting question, and I don’t really have an answer for it. The puzzling thing about Hitler is of course that he had essentially zero real experience with Eastern Europe (apart from disliking Czechs in pre-war Vienna), he spent his entire WW1 on the Western front. Similarly with other leading Nazis like Himmler or Heydrich who were teenagers during WW1 (iirc from Robert Gerwarth’s biography the latter had some limited contact with Russian pows during WW1 and even made some effort to learn Russian, but it wasn’t a sustained interest). So for them it must have essentially been an ideological construct (though that still raises the question where and how that construct arose).
    On the other hand, some Nazi planners did have personal experience. Rosenberg obviously, and granted, his ideas were less braindead and unrealistic than those of other leading Nazis. But there was also Herbert Backe (a main proponent of Hungerplan, imo probably a bit of a misnomer, but Backe was certainly in favour of extremely ruthless economic exploitation and fine with killing millions through it), who had been born in Georgia to German immigrant parents and was detained as an enemy alien in WW1 Russia.
    Leading Wehrmacht generals are also interesting cases, because of the multitude of influences operating on them (traditionally somewhat pro-Russian attitudes, revived to a limited extent during 1939-1941, but also the memory of WW1 with events like the 1914 Russian invasion of East Prussia). Notably, some of them spoke Russian and had actually even spent time in the Soviet Union during the 1920s, while there was secret co-operation between Reichswehr and Red Army (e. g. the notorious Walther von Reichenau and Hermann Hoth).
    Anyway, sorry if that is a bit rambling, I just don’t have a coherent answer myself.

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  412. German_reader says:

    Denmark set to prosecute former defense minister, because he revealed Danish cooperation with the NSA’s surveillance operations for “divulging state secrets”:
    https://apnews.com/article/politics-denmark-49bac780e26f1ff348d6c417df4beea0
    But of course those good Scandinavian democracies would never do something like helping the US to blow up pipelines, that’s totally unimaginable…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  413. Yahya says:
    @German_reader

    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.

    I think it’s more accurate to say the Germans underestimated Western willingness to aid the USSR; rather than the USSR itself. Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Strain’s words:

    “I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war,” Stalin said. “The most important things in this war are the machines…. The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.”

    Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

    “If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war,” he wrote in his memoirs. “One-on-one against Hitler’s Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me.”

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR. A reasonable assumption given American anti-communism and Churchills remarks on “foul baboonery” of Bolshevism.

  414. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:

    “Dissidents” surpass themselves. Figurehead with 200k+ followers claims that the war in Ukraine is fake, as in literally is not happening. Not at all. Is just computer graphics for domestic consumption. He’s not crazy, everyone else is crazy.

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  415. Yahya says:
    @Yahya

    On the other hand; Kurt von Hammerstein assessed that the Russian military would be able to withstand foreign aggression on its own:

    So its possible the Soviet Union would’ve emerged victorious even without Western aid. But counterfactuals are hard to predict.

  416. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader

    Yes, this is what happens. No one should ever be surprised. It is not a secret. It is normal operating procedure and has been public knowledge since forever.

    France spies on the US just as the US spies on France, the former head of France’s counter-espionage and counter-terrorism agency said Friday, commenting on reports that the US National Security Agency (NSA) recorded millions of French telephone calls.

    Bernard Squarcini, head of the Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (DCRI) intelligence service until last year, told French daily Le Figaro he was “astonished” when Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said he was “deeply shocked” by the claims.

    “I am amazed by such disconcerting naiveté,” he said in the interview. “You’d almost think our politicians don’t bother to read the reports they get from the intelligence services.”

    https://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squarcini-dcri-hollande-ayrault-merkel-usa-obama

    Politicians obviously do know, but they love the catty geopolitical “confrontations” that they can spark up for a few good domestic headlines and some distraction from the boring job of trying to slightly increase economic growth, or slightly improve exam results.

  417. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Major dissident journalist with 314k followers pipes in with argument along the same lines.

    The only reason these guys don’t hold the reigns of power is because of some unfair conspiracy against them. They’re not hysterical, everyone else is hysterical.

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  418. @Coconuts

    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    Russians see Germans in a mostly humorous way. They actually mostly like the Germans, but they see them as too square/rational and somewhat stock up. There is a Russian saying: “a German ax will get stuck in Russian dough”. The mentality of both populations is very different, although they know each other well and sometimes even speak of each other appreciatively. It’s based on a very long period of interaction. They have been neighbors from the earliest times. If you’re interested, we can discuss it, but it is a very lenghty topic.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    , @AP
  419. Yahya says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    I saw this joke a few days ago in a Sailer thread:

    Three men wrote books about elephants: a Frenchman, an American, and a German. The Frenchman’s book was entitled: The Mating and Feeding Habits of Elephants. The American’s was entitled: How to Build Bigger and Better Elephants. The German’s was a twelve volume set entitled: Preparation for the Study of Elephants.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • LOL: AP
  420. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    Prussian Land Owners we’re familiar with Slavs as near serfs.

  421. Wokechoke says:
    @Yahya

    The English would write a book Shooting an Elephant.

  422. German_reader says:
    @Yahya

    Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Nor would Britain. I also very much doubt that Americans would have been willing to sacrifice millions of conscripts’ lives in an attempt to destroy the Wehrmacht on their own, apart from the experience of the South in the Civil War there’s nothing in American history that would have mentally prepared them for such an effort, and US infantry forces in WW2 were of pretty poor quality. That leaves some Deus ex machina like nuclear weapons, or some hyper-effective strategic bombing offensive. But without the war against the Soviets Germany would have been able to devote much greater resources to countering that; even as it was, Germany did have jet fighters and the first usable rockets by 1944 after all.
    And there’s no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941…after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren’t all that effective against them…) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler’s remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock. As did the tenacity of the resistance, it was a common sentiment in Wehrmacht circles that this was a different, much harder kind of war than those in the West had been.
    Of course the Soviets made plenty of mistakes and were often quite poorly led (at least in the first stages of the war), but I cannot agree at all with the increasingly common view that the Soviet war effort wasn’t all that important in comparison with the Anglo-Americans, imo this is purely driven by contemporary ideology.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    , @Wokechoke
  423. Wokechoke says:
    @Yahya

    Stalin expected the British would switch sides and send in troops to support the Wehrmacht.

    His basic error was to see Hitler as a rational actor. “If Hitler invaded he’d be defeated” thought Stalin. This led to a smug complacency. Hitler was a gambler.

    Eventually though the British did switch to a purely Anti Russian stance. But it took decades to get to where we are now.

  424. @German_reader

    This Germanic attitude is not restricted to WW2. The Germans have underestimated the Slavs/Wends since the times of the Middle Age Baltic/Wendish Crusades. And this despite the Wendish Nikloting Mecklenburg princely House being one of the oldest (or perhaps currently the oldest) aristocratic family of Germany. Also despite Prussians being heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav and Pomeranians being mostly germanized Wends. Therefore, the German ethnic groups that contributed so much to uniting Germany were heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav. Some even assign to Luther himself a partly Wendish ancestry and of course Copernicus was of Wendish stock.

    The condescending German attitude is an interesting trait of national character. Probably based on psychological differences between the Balto-Slav and the Germanic populations. HBD really. Adaptation to a different way of living in a somewhat different environment. The condescending Germanic attitude, and the somewhat humorous or mocking Slav attitude in return goes back centuries, perhaps millenia. An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.

    My subjective opinion is that this way of seeing the other : Немец or Wend is going back very far in history and perhaps to prehistoric Europe. Our ancestors have always lived side by side and have known each other very well. Despite this lenghty co-existence they mostly stayed distinct and avoided intermixing. The history of Slav – Germanic interactions is long, complicated and painful. Juraj Krizhanic (Юрий Крижанич) has written at length about it in the seventeenth century already. I have posted an excerpt from his writings on one of the previous threads, but am too lazy to look for it right now.

  425. @Triteleia Laxa

    They should be deported to Bahmut right now, it’s way easier to do than deport flatearthers to the Moon for the sake of watching round Earth from afar;)

  426. German_reader says:

    What does it mean when a cow is nicer than a woman? – You are in Germany!”

    Strange, German women still seem to be attractive enough to attract the attentions of MENA and African rapists. But who knows, maybe they would indeed also do it with cows, goats or other animals.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @Yahya
  427. @Yahya

    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situations (paralysis through analysis etc.). Also Russians see Germans as courageous, but they don’t see them as brave.

    Of course conversely Germans see Slavs as too emotional, unstable, sloppy and lazy. Both points of view are valid to some extent, both populations know each other very well. They have been neighbors for millenia.

    As an amusing side anecdote, the current leader of the Russian democratic nationalist opposition is Roman Yuneman (Junemann) who is of Volga German descent on his father’s side and Semirechyie Cossack descent on his mother’s side. Looks like a very nice fellow. Has done a lot of good with the humanitarian aid in Donbass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society.Future

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/25/im-ready-to-go-to-prison-the-26-year-old-taking-on-russias-ruling-party-a74322

    If I was still living in Moscow, I would be voting for him and his party.

    • Replies: @S
  428. @German_reader

    And there’s no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941…after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren’t all that effective against them…) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler’s remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock.

    It is all very understandable psychologically though – Hitler and Nazis had not one, but five succesful Crimeas in a row, then string of great purely military victories and became competely lightheaded because of this.

    Just look at Putin (and Karlin et al). prior 2022 Feb. as they managed to fry their brains completely just because of one Crimea and half of Donbass with Syria.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Greasy William
  429. Wokechoke says:
    @Europe Europa

    Nah the US would start to sponsor Mongol separatists. More money to spend on Chechen separatists.

  430. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    It also ignores how significant sections of the Norwegian, Danish, Dutch, Belgian and French populations welcomed fascism and agreed with Hitler. German wins were easy in the west because the Nat Soc were pushing at an open door. The early part of Barbarossa worked well because Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Ukies, Hungarians even some Poles didn’t really object to NatSoc. Almost No one had yet attempted to fight. The first ethnic population that fought back was the Greeks on Crete. They went at German paratroopers in 1941 like stoats on rats.

  431. A123 says: • Website
    @Yevardian

    Everyone, the mystery is cleared. It wasn’t the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, or Americans… Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    An accident is still the most plausible explanation.

    The European WEF wants open borders. George IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Society Foundation are integral to the anti-Christian WEF. Ukie Maximalist aggression predictably yielded migration. If it turns out to be a sabotage, then you present a credible potential actor to be analyzed.

    🇺🇦🇵🇸 IslamoGloboHomo 🇵🇸🇺🇦 blowing up Nordstream makes much more sense that the U.S.

    PEACE 😇

  432. @Ivashka the fool

    We have agreed last time that “Wends’ is a German name for Slavs. But you seem to prefer it to “Slavs” because of…?

    So Copernicus according to you was Polish, Wendo-Baltic, or German…?

    An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.

    I think Slavs more than maybe other people are under foreign [genetic] influences who perhaps push these lands to conflict, with the help of secret societies and secret services. Look at the Polish president Duda – he would be more eager to lead Poland into war with Russia than Kaczynski, but on the other hand he is much more pro-EU than Kaczynski, being the main blocker of some PiS reforms in Poland. And yet Duda is of Goralenvolk, namely Vlach, and Vlachs are mostly mixture of J2/R1b/I2 people.

    BTW, you have similar setup in Israel now, where opposition to the judicial reforms is consolidating around the Israeli president.

    Overall you should maybe read less gnostic stuff and more Biblical exegesis, for example this quote, and ponder what it really means. Hint: it is a reverse of the parable of wheat and tares from Matthew

    Ruth 1:16 And Ruth said: “Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee; for whither thou goest, I will go, and where thou lodgest, I will lodge. Thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God.

    • Replies: @AP
  433. AP says:
    @Greasy William

    Petliura was close personal friends with the Jew Arnold Margolin who was a frequent guest at Petliura’s house. Secular Zionism was influenced by Ukrainian nationalism. In Galicia, Ukrainian nationalists and Jews cooperated before the 1930s (both were opposed to Polish nationalists and friendly with Vienna). There was even an all-Jewish unit in the Ukrainian Galician Army:

    http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CJ%5CE%5CJewishBattalionoftheUkrainianGalicianArmy.htm

    The relationship between Jewish and Ukrainian nationalists changed in the 1920s and 1930s. The Bolshevik-supported Schwartzbard’s assassination of Petliura contributed to this. In Galicia, Jews made peace with the anti-Ukrainian Polish nationalists, while and Ukrainians turned to Germany.

  434. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Unrelated to this, but did you read this article about the Chadic and Hausa people of Africa? It makes the case that their ancestors came to Africa from Iberia about 7,000 years ago (and not that R1b came to Western Europe from Africa):

    https://nemets.substack.com/p/the-sons-of-chad

    Interesting to imagine an ancient pre-desertified Sahara populated in part by people resembling and related to modern Sardinians.

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  435. Juraj Krizhanic writing in the seventeenth century about Slavdom decadence and foreign influences:

    Foreigners infiltrate and truly flood our kingdoms under the guise of trade, craft, military service and piety. They come to us [together] with their wives, but they do not find their way back. So, coming to us and moving in, the Germans pushed us from entire countries: from Moravia, from Pomerania, from Silesia, from Prussia. In the Czech land, there are already few Slavs left in the large cities. And among the Poles, all the cities are full of Germans, Gypsies, Scots, Jews, Armenians and Italians, so that in many cities there are more foreigners than our own people, and our people do not find a place for themselves in these cities.

    Our cities are full of foreigners, and we are their lackeys. For for them we cultivate the land and wage wars for their benefit, so that they sit idle in cities, in stone mansions, and feast, and call us pigs and dogs.

    It is absolutely clear and not a secret to anyone that foreigners have completely taken over feom the Poles all the gold and silver, and eat all the fruits, and [drink all] the juices of this land. And the Poles at home beg for alms from their guests, beg them lowly, bow to them and die before their eyes from hunger and shame.

    And what is being done here in Rus’? Foreign merchants – Germans, Greeks, Bukharians – rake in the wealth and income of this entire kingdom. Everywhere they keep warehouses with goods and farming, and all sorts of crafts and deeds. They travel freely around the country and buy our goods at the cheapest price, and many useless and most expensive goods are brought to us: pearls, precious stones, and Venetian glass replacing [these] precious stones, and watches, and other useless things. And finally, being cunning, they deceive our merchants for large sums of money.

    In troubled times, foreigners take away their goods and money from us, and thereby generate high prices in the country, [and] those who can, leave themselves; reveal our secrets; are easily betraying, go over to enemies, and offend us in many ways.

    When these merchants and craftsmen in any city become so prolific and multiply that they become strong enough, then they will drive our people out of the city or kill [them], strengthen the city and become sovereign masters to our shame and loss. So they did in Gdansk, in Torun, in Riga and in some Russian cities, and the Saxons [achieved this] in Hungary, and in all Bohemia, and in Pomerania, and in other places. And especially where there were places convenient for trade, the Germans took away all these places, both piers and markets. And everywhere they [pushed] us away from the sea and from large navigable rivers [and] drove us into a wide field to plow the earth.

    Machine translated with minor corrections.

    http://hrono.ru/libris/lib_k/krizh16.php

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  436. AP says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    In the previous open thread you had claimed that Ukrainians were closest to Moldovans. They are indeed rather close (Moldovans appear to be a mixture of Romanians and Ukrainians) but Ukrainians are much closer to Belarusians and Slovaks than they are to Moldovans, at least by Y haplogroup distributions:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

  437. @AP

    The differences are small; there is fewer I2 in Slovakia and more R1b than in Ukraine. But my focus was on I2 presence as their significant presence somehow correlates with civil wars; indeed, the situation in Moldova is heating up.

    As for Slovakia, it has certain political similarities to Ukraine, presidential/prime minister office generating much controversy in both countries, in terms of Slovakia I meant Vladimir Meciar and Robert Fico.

    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.

    • Replies: @AP
  438. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    You provide an adequate summation of how and why the Black Hundreds were opposed to Jewish militants, but to state that the”Black Hundreds did nothing wrong.” is going a bit too far. Their actions against Ukrainians and their cultural expression, within Ukraine, was reprehensible and could serve as a blueprint for the type of Great Russian chauvinism that I’ve grown to despise and that seems to thrive within Putler’s thought process and his invasion of Ukraine today. 🙁

    The Black Hundreds classified Ukrainians as Russians,[14] and attracted the support of many “Moscowphiles” who considered themselves Russian and rejected Ukrainian nationalism and identity.[15] The Black Hundred movement actively campaigned against what it considered to be Ukrainian separatism, as well as against promoting Ukrainian culture and language in general, and against the works of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, in particular.[16] In Odessa, the Black Hundreds shut down the local branch of the Ukrainian Prosvita society, an organization that was dedicated to spreading literacy in the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian cultural awareness.[15]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    Of course we know how delighted Professor Tennessee would be with the Black Hundreds hatred of Shevchenko and his writings, but what about old Gramps who kept a copy of Kobzar near his bedside, Ivashka?

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  439. S says:
    @Coconuts

    Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.

    Please take this as constructive criticism and nothing more.

    You do not have the right to surrender for everyone else.

    If you feel as an individual that you wish to give up and surrender, that is a terrible thing, certainly. It is your affair, however, and no one can stop you.

    But you do not have the right to surrender for the whole of England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, the UK, Europe, the US, or, the rest of the world besides.

    It would be the same difference if you were part of a group which became infected by an often fatal plague. If you as an individual happened to die from it, that would be terrible, certainly.
    However, you wouldn’t have the right to make the decision for everyone else that they die from it as well.

    You should hope instead, for the many obvious reasons, that your compatriots surprise you and find a way to survive, and live.

    Again, in the spirit of constructive criticism, I sometimes forget why I generally don’t read your posts, and make the mistake of reminding myself why, as here, by reading one of them. 🙁

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  440. @Yahya

    Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles? Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.

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  441. @Yahya

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR.

    Hitler’s strategic miscalculation was he thought Britain was a natural ally and would come around. If he had hooked up with Stalin everybody else would have been in deep doo doo. The British sector that fueled this distortion earned their salary for sure.

    Wouldn’t you like to know the secret dope Hess had which kept him locked up in solitary confinement for thirty years? I know I would. If you look at a map for ten seconds it seems obvious the natural alliance is Germany-Russia. All the fighting might be 95% just to interfere with this.

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  442. @Wokechoke

    French Jury was full of kikes though.

    Not to my knowledge. You don’t need to be a Jew to wish a militant Ukie nationalist dead.

    Besides, jury decision has to be unanimous. Otherwise it’s hung jury = mistrial.

  443. @AP

    A very good article. I always thought that the R1b V88 pastoralists have arrived into the Sahel through the southern route via the Caucasus and the Levant. Perhaps I should reconsider. I also find puzzling his lack of mention of the proto-Berber Capsian population, although he had mentioned the Iberomaurusian population that has been absorbed by the Capsian-derived Berber.

    The light skinned people he writes about in the Saharan rock art are most probably the Southern Y haplogroup E proto-Berber pastoralists who had adapted to the desertic environment. These populations are directly derived from the first sedentary human population the Natufians they would have been in the Maghreb in the R1b V88 migration times if he is right.

    Finally, he writes that (local ?) bovines have been domesticated in Africa, however I have always read that there were two focal points of cattle domestication : Anatolia and India. A good read overall. Might help explain how the Maritime BB also got to Maghreb. Perhaps another group of Y haplogroup R1a folks crossing Gibraltar in low numbers but adapting to maritime lifestyle instead of bovine herding pastoralism.

    Have read that there were at least three major back to Africa migrations from Eurasia. Would’ve to look into it.

    Thanks!

  444. @German_reader

    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions.

    Several countries, all proclaiming themselves to be advanced and capable, presumably investigate. The results so far are zero, zip, nada. The only plausible explanation I can think of that whoever blew up NS1 and NS2 is controlling all countries ostensibly “investigating”. Who do you think that might be? Burkina Faso? Papua-New Guinea? Space aliens?

  445. A123 says: • Website

    The results so far are zero, zip, nada. The only plausible explanation I can think of that whoever blew up NS1 and NS2 is controlling all countries ostensibly “investigating”.

    You left out the most plausible explanation.

    There is “zero, zip, nada” to find. It was a complex, industrial accident.

    PEACE 😇

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    , @AnonfromTN
  446. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes. I concur. The cooperation between Weimar Germany and early USSR was quite important on both the military and industrial grounds. The British intervened through financial diktat to stop an even greater cooperation from happening. Then the Anglo-saxon financial circles fostered the Great Depression that led to the Nazi rise to power with the Anglo-saxon financial aid. When the Hitler and Stalin attempted a reconciliation, the British worked with both sides to prevent it. Fursov writes about it all.

    A poster printed in USSR after the signature of the Soviet-German pact. Soviets seemed genuinely ready to work alongside Germany to defeat Great Britain. The opposite has happened.

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  447. QCIC says:
    @Beckow

    Russia seeks a victory which solves the Ukraine problem–drive out Nato, defend borders, protect the Russo-Slavic sphere.

    I think Russia prefers a final result which makes it less likely the West will pursue additional regime change projects in FSU countries.

    I don’t know what concessions might be made to work toward the secondary goal once the victory is achieved.

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  448. @Ivashka the fool

    East Asians wearing masks outside

    I’m frustrated by this as well. Although for the Japanese it tends to be a communitarian concern to not infect others, so masks were prevalent long before Covid. For Chinese a lot of it does boil down to hypochondria and obedience.

    I’ll share an explanation here about why Germans are not called 战斗民族 zhàndòumínzú, despite also known for being involved in wars,

    [MORE]

    As for Germany, have we heard similarities about the life of the German people and 战斗民族?

    Most descriptions of Germans should be of the rigid and rigorous Hans type. Dalinzi* was proficient in drinking and smoking, and distributed vodka to the troops, but Führer was a vegetarian all year round and pays attention to self-care, strictly controlling the smoking of the troops… This folkway does not match the style of 战斗民族

    The first time Russians heard the term 战斗民族, they were confused. They thought it was a one-sided understanding of the Russian nation. The fact is indeed the case. Could it be that Maozi** knows nothing but fighting?

    “What kind of nation was fascism trying to destroy? Kutuzov and Suvorov, Pushkin and Tolstoy, Repin and Surikov, Chernyshevsky and Stanislavsky, Glinka and Tchaikovsky…the nation of these great figures…” This is Dalinzi’s own evaluation. What proportion of these outstanding figures of the Russian nation are military strategists? When we listen to Tchaikovsky’s music, watch Russian ballet, read Pushkin’s poems and Leo Tolstoy’s masterpieces, we will simply think that this is a 战斗民族 that only knows how to fight?

    When we know that the Soviet Union counted the guarantee of watching theater performances in the social welfare system, and when we see that Russians during the economic shock period often went to watch musicals and ballets in groups, we will simply think that this is a merely a 战斗民族 that can fight?

    https://www.zhihu.com/question/48628936

    *Nickname for Stalin
    **Maozi 毛子 “hairy ones” is another nickname for Russians, but I didn’t think you’d mind 😉

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  449. AP says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.

    Just to clarify: since the populations have been mixed over thousands of years it is not that there are are discrete I or R1a men in these countries but rather different proportions of ancestry in each person from that population, with Belarusians and Ukrainians having much more I ancestry than Poles (I am not claiming that you are mistaken, just clarifying).

    In terms of I ancestry, it’s:

    Romania: 34%
    Moldova: 29%

    Ukraine: 25.5%
    Belarus: 24%
    Slovakia: 24%

    Poland: 17%
    Russia: 15.5%

    But in terms of R1a it’s:

    Poland: 57.5%

    Belarus: 51%

    Russia: 46%
    Ukraine: 44%
    Slovakia: 41.5%

    Moldova: 30.5%

    Romania: 18%

  450. Mikel says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes…

    Look, you guys did what you had to do. No hard feelings from my side. Even if those Beaker folks are part of my ancestry, if they went to your lands with the intention of imposing a pottery style that you didn’t like and in the process take possession of your women, what did they expect your reaction would be?

    Anyway, I followed one of the links in the wiki article on the Yamnaya and I think that all my doubts about the Beaker migrations are solved. It’s a Nature paper where they studied the DNA of over 200 Beaker remains from all parts of Europe and used very sophisticated statistical methods to compare them with earlier populations in the same locations and with current ones. Top notch study, incidentally led by a young Basque geneticist working at Harvard but co-authored by a very long list of leading figures in the field. Even I recognize some of the names: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973796/

    One of the main findings, that you may not like too much, is that the Beaker phenomenon involved very limited South to North genetic transfer. By contrast, the Beaker expansion to Britain was accompanied by an influx of Central European people with heavy Steppe admixture that in the course of a few centuries almost replaced the male lineages with the R1b haplogroup.

    On the other hand, they do mention evidences of an earlier South to North maritime migration on the Atlantic facade during the megalithic period.

    I don’t think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia

    Yes, I did study those charts, which is why I acknowledged that those 8 Yamnas of the Rostov sample belonged to an R1b subclade separate from the Western ones. I may have actually confused Eupedia with some other website when I mentioned their relationship with kooky theories. Those subclade trees are a perfect example of how citizen-scientists are essential for the progress of so many fields.

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  451. QCIC says:
    @A123

    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis? I don’t want to fall into the bandwagon fallacy, but to be fair your explanation seems technically weak. Do you have references?

    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.

  452. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    That’s an accurate description.

    Of course Fatyanovo-derived folks are not just good for fights and brawls, they have also produced refined art and great thinkers. That’s what most Germans forget: although sometimes sloppy and lazy, Slavs can work very hard if they like their work or when forced to do that under hard circumstances. Slavs can also think deeply and rigorously when they are interested enough. And overall Slavs are very creative. They are only inferior to Germans from the organization pov. Perhaps because they are more anarchistic and clannish, as also Celtic people are.

    A side note: Stalin didn’t drink that much and preferred white wine when he did. But he indeed a heavy smoker.

    [MORE]

    Didn’t know about the Maozi nickname, but I don’t care indeed. I am bearded and overall look somewhat similar to the one legendary batbarian bellow. Described as a Parasika in the early Chinese records, as an Indian in later times, probably came from Central Asia, went back home through the Tian Shan:

    😇

  453. @AP

    OK, but I think that I2 and I1 should be distinguished; I2 is the older one.

    In your data, we can see there is an inverse relation between R1a and I at the end of the scale – in Romania and Moldova, which would suggest that maybe the former replaced the latter.

  454. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational..

    I believe it was Stalin that said that if there was a stop sign along a barren track with no one else around for miles, the German army would still stop when it came to the sign.

    Have also heard similar accounts as you describe of Slavs at times being very up/down emotionally.

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  455. Mikel says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry.

    Well, we need to go step by step. I think that the Nature paper I mentioned in my reply to Ivashka clarifies the big picture of what the Beaker phenomenon entailed wrt population transfers in Europe. But how exactly R1b became dominant in the different parts of Western Europe is a different matter. I don’t have an answer at this point, other than the main European clade R1b-M269 originating in the East and somehow spreading westwards through its subclades in a probably complex way.

    I clearly remember a recent paper, mentioned even by Sailer in his Unz column, that described a similar event to the one depicted in the Nature paper above for the British Islands: invaders with Steppe ancestry replacing the male population also in Iberia. It must have been during a different period and perhaps with different protagonists involved but I don’t have the time now to look for that paper. I need to honor my weekend routines.

  456. @A123

    You left out the most plausible explanation.
    There is “zero, zip, nada” to find. It was a complex, industrial accident.

    The probability of “complex industrial accident” happening within one day on three different pipes is about the same as the probability of a coin thrown in heads-or-tails game stopping and hanging in midair.
    Other hypotheses?

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  457. @Triteleia Laxa

    you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such

    Laxa honey, why so serious ?!

    🙂

    [MORE]

    АУЕ…

    👊

  458. Yahya says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles?

    No. They are generally well-behaved, perhaps owing to the influence of Islam. Same thing for Africans in Saudi Arabia. The homicide rate in Egypt is 2.6 and in Saudi Arabia 0.8; which is in line with most normal countries (US its 6.5); despite the Afro population being roughly comparable to US.

    Egyptians do a good job of destroying Cairo. We don’t need African help 🙂

    Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.

    Agree.

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  459. @sudden death

    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.

    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    Wow, you dumb worthless dogshit of a satanist indivual. What a total liar freak.

    German court stopping NS2 from coming into action in August 2021, after constriction finished, was the ONLY reason of the price spike you serial dumb piece of shit. That’s after using about 3 years of delaying tactics in the form of changing EU rules, legal delays, sanctions on staggered sanctions on various different players ,and so on you ridiculous scumbag.

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  460. Yahya says:
    @German_reader

    Strange, German women still seem to be attractive enough to attract the attentions of MENA and African rapists. But who knows, maybe they would indeed also do it with cows, goats or other animals.

    Strange, gratuitously insulting MENA and African people; for a Western joke which originated in a German website.

    I think the “nicer” was a reference to personality, not appearance. But here is the website link; you go take your complaints to them, Sauerkraut: https://www.andinet.de/en/funny/jokes/germany_jokes.html

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