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  1. Thanks for creating this new thread!

    • Agree: A123, Barbarossa
  2. Not another thread.
    Seriously,what is someone supposed to do with
    another thread?Have we not enough threads?
    Maybe there are too many threads…?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @goldgettin

    If someone forced you to go here, never listen to that person again.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @building7
    @goldgettin

    To keep up with ZOG tricks

  3. Why do international organizations lie about Israel?

    The latest fabrication by HRW is particularly egregious. Look at the totals and one excellent example of the distortion: (1)


     
    HRW consistently cherry-picks statistics, misrepresents data, and makes broad claims of Israeli evil based on minor incidents and minutiae.

    This example discusses charges of “playground apartheid.”

    the news story reveals key information that HRW ignores.

    The Court acknowledged the contention by the City that one could not compare older Arab neighborhoods to newer, planned neighborhoods that incorporated space for playgrounds. Indeed, it was shown that playground density in Arab neighborhoods was similar to ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods, contradicting the notion of “playground apartheid” favoring Jews over Arabs.

    The municipality also demonstrated efforts to build playgrounds in these Arab neighborhoods but explained “that most of the appropriate land for such playgrounds is in private hands, and arrangements must be reached with the owners.

    Despite these explanations, the Court ordered the City to build playgrounds in these two Arab neighborhoods, evidence that the government-run courts consistently apply laws that contradict apartheid.

    Why is there no criticism of actual Apartheid policies from Abbas, leader of the Muslim Authority? He openly advocates life sentences for selling land to Jews.
    ___

    It is sad that a large number of readers here buy into SJW Pallywood propaganda. Unrealistic views only harden the sides further.

    The reason why Netanyahu is able to form a new Centrist government is his willingness to stand up against extreme and ultra left factions that support dangerous concessions. Bibi’s administration may also be able to start rolling back some Leftoid dogma in their culture war. (2)

    Netanyahu’s Likud party announced on Sunday that the agreement named Avi Maoz, the leader of the ultra-nationalist Noam party, as a deputy minister, whose portfolio includes an office bolstering Jewish identity among Israelis.

    Maoz, a Jewish fundamentalist and West Bank settler, is an outspoken opponent of LGBTQ+ rights and women serving in the military

    Many skilled positions are filled by women, so limiting ability to voluntarily join is unlikely to fly. However, steps to unwind the rainbow crazy will begin next year.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/threshold-crossed-hrw-apartheid/

    (2) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/28/netanyahu-strikes-israeli-coalition-deal-with-far-right-homophobic-leader

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @A123

    Israel is undeniably an apartheid state, but 'apartheid' is not automatically evil, nor is it a binary condition. There are degrees and kinds of 'apartheid.' The kind and degree practiced by Israel in the West Bank is particularly intense and vicious; that in Israel proper, far milder. With the far right now in government, it is bound to get worse.

    Replies: @A123

  4. @A123
    Why do international organizations lie about Israel?

    The latest fabrication by HRW is particularly egregious. Look at the totals and one excellent example of the distortion: (1)


    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyY3BfdKNqgehtkbcGQXgqqIcDv5NPeC77yXWaIIMVoH1uFujqInK6zQrVDfq5_yOiovPTzTiz7eIc6s1LvJSOuU_qnwhk2lmlC7uO1cPF4WQKA7tDk-5DiHX_P26AkIBuhcnwo3nhB--QBawkj3UgQUjt0vV_tbhccwyf3-LxbjT6yuc-e1w/w640-h360/HRW-Salo-Twitter-1536x864.jpg

     
    HRW consistently cherry-picks statistics, misrepresents data, and makes broad claims of Israeli evil based on minor incidents and minutiae.

    This example discusses charges of “playground apartheid.”
    ...
    the news story reveals key information that HRW ignores.

    The Court acknowledged the contention by the City that one could not compare older Arab neighborhoods to newer, planned neighborhoods that incorporated space for playgrounds. Indeed, it was shown that playground density in Arab neighborhoods was similar to ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods, contradicting the notion of “playground apartheid” favoring Jews over Arabs.

    The municipality also demonstrated efforts to build playgrounds in these Arab neighborhoods but explained “that most of the appropriate land for such playgrounds is in private hands, and arrangements must be reached with the owners.

    Despite these explanations, the Court ordered the City to build playgrounds in these two Arab neighborhoods, evidence that the government-run courts consistently apply laws that contradict apartheid.
     

    Why is there no criticism of actual Apartheid policies from Abbas, leader of the Muslim Authority? He openly advocates life sentences for selling land to Jews.
    ___

    It is sad that a large number of readers here buy into SJW Pallywood propaganda. Unrealistic views only harden the sides further.

    The reason why Netanyahu is able to form a new Centrist government is his willingness to stand up against extreme and ultra left factions that support dangerous concessions. Bibi's administration may also be able to start rolling back some Leftoid dogma in their culture war. (2)


    Netanyahu’s Likud party announced on Sunday that the agreement named Avi Maoz, the leader of the ultra-nationalist Noam party, as a deputy minister, whose portfolio includes an office bolstering Jewish identity among Israelis.
    ...
    Maoz, a Jewish fundamentalist and West Bank settler, is an outspoken opponent of LGBTQ+ rights and women serving in the military
     
    Many skilled positions are filled by women, so limiting ability to voluntarily join is unlikely to fly. However, steps to unwind the rainbow crazy will begin next year.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/threshold-crossed-hrw-apartheid/

    (2) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/28/netanyahu-strikes-israeli-coalition-deal-with-far-right-homophobic-leader

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Israel is undeniably an apartheid state, but ‘apartheid’ is not automatically evil, nor is it a binary condition. There are degrees and kinds of ‘apartheid.’ The kind and degree practiced by Israel in the West Bank is particularly intense and vicious; that in Israel proper, far milder. With the far right now in government, it is bound to get worse.

    • Replies: @A123
    @silviosilver

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?


    Israel is undeniably an apartheid state
     
    As a matter of objective fact. Israel is not an Apartheid state.

    Israeli has Muslim citizens who travel, own property, vote, and elect representatives to the Knesset. A few even volunteer to join the IDF.


    degree practiced by Israel in the West Bank is particularly intense and vicious
     
    Unprovoked violence against Jews is particularly intense and vicious.

    What other option is their other than tight security? And, security is by definition *not* Apartheid. There is nothing "discriminatory" about necessary self defensse.

    The Judea & Samaria situation is awkward, as the need is to separate citizens from non-citizens. This is conceptually similar to any other nation's border.

    Are you saying ALL national borders are inherently Apartheid?

    Was the Berlin Wall, before it fell, Apartheid?


    With the far right now in government, it is bound to get worse.
     
    Bibi's incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right. The word "far" is maliciously & incorrectly applied by SJW Pallywood and other decepticons to misrepresent Likud's past and future policies. Likud has shown itself to quite pragmatic, unlike the extremist policies pushed by Fatah and Hamas.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @silviosilver

  5. @silviosilver
    @A123

    Israel is undeniably an apartheid state, but 'apartheid' is not automatically evil, nor is it a binary condition. There are degrees and kinds of 'apartheid.' The kind and degree practiced by Israel in the West Bank is particularly intense and vicious; that in Israel proper, far milder. With the far right now in government, it is bound to get worse.

    Replies: @A123

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?

    Israel is undeniably an apartheid state

    As a matter of objective fact. Israel is not an Apartheid state.

    Israeli has Muslim citizens who travel, own property, vote, and elect representatives to the Knesset. A few even volunteer to join the IDF.

    degree practiced by Israel in the West Bank is particularly intense and vicious

    Unprovoked violence against Jews is particularly intense and vicious.

    What other option is their other than tight security? And, security is by definition *not* Apartheid. There is nothing “discriminatory” about necessary self defensse.

    The Judea & Samaria situation is awkward, as the need is to separate citizens from non-citizens. This is conceptually similar to any other nation’s border.

    Are you saying ALL national borders are inherently Apartheid?

    Was the Berlin Wall, before it fell, Apartheid?

    With the far right now in government, it is bound to get worse.

    Bibi’s incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right. The word “far” is maliciously & incorrectly applied by SJW Pallywood and other decepticons to misrepresent Likud’s past and future policies. Likud has shown itself to quite pragmatic, unlike the extremist policies pushed by Fatah and Hamas.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @A123

    How many Jews does Abbas have authority over? How many Palestinians does Israel have authority over? Oh.


    Israeli has Muslim citizens who travel, own property, vote, and elect representatives to the Knesset. A few even volunteer to join the IDF.
     
    All of which may be consistent with apartheid, which is not any one thing, but a spectrum of conditions.

    Bibi’s incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right.
     
    Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are 'far right' by any contemporary usage of that term, and they are now part of the government.

    Unprovoked violence against Jews is particularly intense and vicious.
     
    So is unprovoked violence by Jews. Considering that Jews hold all the power, it is rather ugly too (in addition to intense and vicious).

    What other option is their other than tight security? And, security is by definition *not* Apartheid. There is nothing “discriminatory” about necessary self defensse.
     
    I agree, there isn't much option. That is why apartheid is not automatically evil. South Africans, for instance, were quite right to practice it. The Israeli far right sometimes goes overboard with it, because their ideal (unlike South Africa's) is to eventually rid themselves of the Palestinians altogether. Apartheid for them is simply a preparatory stage rather than an end in itself.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

  6. @goldgettin
    Not another thread.
    Seriously,what is someone supposed to do with
    another thread?Have we not enough threads?
    Maybe there are too many threads...?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @building7

    If someone forced you to go here, never listen to that person again.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you watch Huberman and Fridman from a couple days ago?

    There were two valuable slips that I heard in a large stew of garbage.

    1. There are American combat troops on the ground right now in Ukraine.

    2. Huberman will "never reveal my preferences for pandemic related things for hopefully obvious reasons";

    (the only conceivable obvious reason to me is that he is mealy mouthed two faced wishy washy suck ass (for professional reasons)).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LondonBob

  7. @AnonfromTN
    @goldgettin

    If someone forced you to go here, never listen to that person again.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did you watch Huberman and Fridman from a couple days ago?

    There were two valuable slips that I heard in a large stew of garbage.

    1. There are American combat troops on the ground right now in Ukraine.

    2. Huberman will “never reveal my preferences for pandemic related things for hopefully obvious reasons”;

    (the only conceivable obvious reason to me is that he is mealy mouthed two faced wishy washy suck ass (for professional reasons)).

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don’t watch TV, but I am not surprised by either of these slips. Public admission might be new, but what was admitted is not.

    , @LondonBob
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Scott Ritter was talking on Judge Napolitano's show about the radio traffic from the 'Ukrainian' side is almost all Polish, English etc.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  8. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you watch Huberman and Fridman from a couple days ago?

    There were two valuable slips that I heard in a large stew of garbage.

    1. There are American combat troops on the ground right now in Ukraine.

    2. Huberman will "never reveal my preferences for pandemic related things for hopefully obvious reasons";

    (the only conceivable obvious reason to me is that he is mealy mouthed two faced wishy washy suck ass (for professional reasons)).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LondonBob

    I don’t watch TV, but I am not surprised by either of these slips. Public admission might be new, but what was admitted is not.

  9. Sher Singh says:

    It is a question of cultural identity as much as a question of religion. Even when they secularize, they retain considerable anti-western/anti-white hostility. (The Moroccan rioters recently in the news were probably not religious fanatics.) How much is “considerable”? I don’t know. Less than what the far right claims, but more than the rosy outlook of secularization theorists like yourself.

    Exactly. In a History of Secularism Graeme Smith says 19th C religiosity is an exception.
    Normally, 10% hardcore lead & rest follow for identity – just like politics.

    Countries Westernize for trade/tech – that incentive is upturned in migrants.
    The more parochialism & hostility – the more valuable as Foederati.

    “Assimilation is a racist burden on already beleaguered poor POC”

    A lot of these convos aren’t even ideological debates.
    It’s merely people well versed in the Western culture vs immigrant compradors.

    No American thinks it’s racist to avoid the black neighbourhood,
    The European converso goes there & gets his teeth knocked out.

    Thread:

    [MORE]

    A lot of American conservatism isn’t principled opposition either.
    Just small town rubes getting caught with the times.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh


    No American thinks it’s racist to avoid the black neighbourhood,
     
    I suspect that this may be the difference between old-school libs and Woke libs, I get the impression from conversations that the Woke variety actually do think it's racist to avoid "vibrant" neighborhoods, while the former are realistic in practice.


    A lot of American conservatism isn’t principled opposition either
     
    I'd agree with that. A small minority of either conservatives or liberals are actually principled. The majority just go where the dominant narrative lies. As the younger generation ages in, it will be an unmitigated disaster for conservatism since the majority are at least passively complicit with
    Woke society. The Right is dominated by older cohorts because they are holding on to the past dominant narrative. I fully expect myself and my children to be living in a wholly ideologically hostile general society (not that we aren't there already) for the foreseen future.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Emil Nikola Richard

  10. @A123
    @silviosilver

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?


    Israel is undeniably an apartheid state
     
    As a matter of objective fact. Israel is not an Apartheid state.

    Israeli has Muslim citizens who travel, own property, vote, and elect representatives to the Knesset. A few even volunteer to join the IDF.


    degree practiced by Israel in the West Bank is particularly intense and vicious
     
    Unprovoked violence against Jews is particularly intense and vicious.

    What other option is their other than tight security? And, security is by definition *not* Apartheid. There is nothing "discriminatory" about necessary self defensse.

    The Judea & Samaria situation is awkward, as the need is to separate citizens from non-citizens. This is conceptually similar to any other nation's border.

    Are you saying ALL national borders are inherently Apartheid?

    Was the Berlin Wall, before it fell, Apartheid?


    With the far right now in government, it is bound to get worse.
     
    Bibi's incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right. The word "far" is maliciously & incorrectly applied by SJW Pallywood and other decepticons to misrepresent Likud's past and future policies. Likud has shown itself to quite pragmatic, unlike the extremist policies pushed by Fatah and Hamas.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @silviosilver

    How many Jews does Abbas have authority over? How many Palestinians does Israel have authority over? Oh.

    Israeli has Muslim citizens who travel, own property, vote, and elect representatives to the Knesset. A few even volunteer to join the IDF.

    All of which may be consistent with apartheid, which is not any one thing, but a spectrum of conditions.

    Bibi’s incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right.

    Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are ‘far right’ by any contemporary usage of that term, and they are now part of the government.

    Unprovoked violence against Jews is particularly intense and vicious.

    So is unprovoked violence by Jews. Considering that Jews hold all the power, it is rather ugly too (in addition to intense and vicious).

    What other option is their other than tight security? And, security is by definition *not* Apartheid. There is nothing “discriminatory” about necessary self defensse.

    I agree, there isn’t much option. That is why apartheid is not automatically evil. South Africans, for instance, were quite right to practice it. The Israeli far right sometimes goes overboard with it, because their ideal (unlike South Africa’s) is to eventually rid themselves of the Palestinians altogether. Apartheid for them is simply a preparatory stage rather than an end in itself.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    How many Arab lives is equal to one Jewish life?

    It might be possible to put a number on this if you have access to Israel government data and documentation. Since I don't I am going to guess around 140 - 1.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @A123
    @silviosilver

    We notice you did not answer the question. Let me ask it again.

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?


    How many Palestinians does Israel have authority over? Oh.
     
    Israeli has approximately ~1.5 MM Muslim citizens.

    Abbas, and his Apartheid Authority, has direct control over ~2.5 MM Muslims in the West Bank. Hamas has effective authority over ~2.0 MM Muslims in Gaza. Theoretically they should also fall under the Apartheid Authority. So, Abbas's reach is 4.5-5.0 MM.

    Oh indeed...



    Bibi’s incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right.
     
    Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are ‘far right’ by any contemporary usage of that term, and they are now part of the government.

     

    And, Likud is distinctly Centrist. In contemporary usage the combination of Center + Right = Center-Right. Which, I already conceded is a potentially viable descriptor despite Netanyahu's personal Centrism.


    There is nothing “discriminatory” about necessary self defense.

     

    I agree, there isn’t much option.
     
    The religious homeland of Judea and the holy city of Jerusalem are inextricably linked to Judaism. Innocent Jewish civilians deserve the right to live without fear in their religious lands.

    If there are no other options it is not a voluntary system of chosen Apartheid. It is simply the minimum necessary measures against unprovoked violence.

     

    Let me return to the critical question... Again...

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?
    ___

    If you say both sides are followers of Apartheid, is not the obvious answer to complete the separation so both sides can be permanently apart?

    What is wrong with a solution that provides honorable and compensated relocation off Jewish land, with Muslims returning to their religious homeland? This seems vastly more practical than forcing the sides to associate in a way neither wants nor benefits from.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @silviosilver

  11. @silviosilver
    @A123

    How many Jews does Abbas have authority over? How many Palestinians does Israel have authority over? Oh.


    Israeli has Muslim citizens who travel, own property, vote, and elect representatives to the Knesset. A few even volunteer to join the IDF.
     
    All of which may be consistent with apartheid, which is not any one thing, but a spectrum of conditions.

    Bibi’s incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right.
     
    Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are 'far right' by any contemporary usage of that term, and they are now part of the government.

    Unprovoked violence against Jews is particularly intense and vicious.
     
    So is unprovoked violence by Jews. Considering that Jews hold all the power, it is rather ugly too (in addition to intense and vicious).

    What other option is their other than tight security? And, security is by definition *not* Apartheid. There is nothing “discriminatory” about necessary self defensse.
     
    I agree, there isn't much option. That is why apartheid is not automatically evil. South Africans, for instance, were quite right to practice it. The Israeli far right sometimes goes overboard with it, because their ideal (unlike South Africa's) is to eventually rid themselves of the Palestinians altogether. Apartheid for them is simply a preparatory stage rather than an end in itself.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    How many Arab lives is equal to one Jewish life?

    It might be possible to put a number on this if you have access to Israel government data and documentation. Since I don’t I am going to guess around 140 – 1.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    140? Would that add up to as much as a Jewish fingernail?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  12. Sher Singh says:

    https://occidentaldissent.com/2022/11/30/tablet-mag-how-the-next-civil-war-begins/

    https://occidentaldissent.com/2022/11/30/counter-currents-the-white-liberal-question/

    https://counter-currents.com/2022/11/a-nietzschean-response-to-jason-kohne/

    Liberals, despite what this author insists, are the only group of non-white nationalist white people who are open to white nationalism, because they actually embrace a racial identity. Whether it’s a negative racial identity is besides the point. White liberals identify very strongly as whites. So you can have a conversation with them about how white people should behave.

    White conservatives reject all forms of racial identity out of hand. They are absolutely and categorically anti-racialist. They identify as “Christians” or “Patriots” and other civic nationalist subcultures. The ones that *do* supposedly embrace a racial identity are quick to renege it – Like embracing Kanye and other theological flavours of anti-semitism because it’s “based”.

    Hmm.

    My own view is that we’re blaming anti-White racial politics for what is simply snobbery. These people are snobs. They don’t want to be associated with non-wealthy Whites whether they’re liberal or not. The anti-White puritanism is simply camouflage to avoid the adverse gaze of the Eye of Jewron.

  13. @silviosilver
    @A123

    How many Jews does Abbas have authority over? How many Palestinians does Israel have authority over? Oh.


    Israeli has Muslim citizens who travel, own property, vote, and elect representatives to the Knesset. A few even volunteer to join the IDF.
     
    All of which may be consistent with apartheid, which is not any one thing, but a spectrum of conditions.

    Bibi’s incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right.
     
    Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are 'far right' by any contemporary usage of that term, and they are now part of the government.

    Unprovoked violence against Jews is particularly intense and vicious.
     
    So is unprovoked violence by Jews. Considering that Jews hold all the power, it is rather ugly too (in addition to intense and vicious).

    What other option is their other than tight security? And, security is by definition *not* Apartheid. There is nothing “discriminatory” about necessary self defensse.
     
    I agree, there isn't much option. That is why apartheid is not automatically evil. South Africans, for instance, were quite right to practice it. The Israeli far right sometimes goes overboard with it, because their ideal (unlike South Africa's) is to eventually rid themselves of the Palestinians altogether. Apartheid for them is simply a preparatory stage rather than an end in itself.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    We notice you did not answer the question. Let me ask it again.

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?

    How many Palestinians does Israel have authority over? Oh.

    Israeli has approximately ~1.5 MM Muslim citizens.

    Abbas, and his Apartheid Authority, has direct control over ~2.5 MM Muslims in the West Bank. Hamas has effective authority over ~2.0 MM Muslims in Gaza. Theoretically they should also fall under the Apartheid Authority. So, Abbas’s reach is 4.5-5.0 MM.

    Oh indeed…

    Bibi’s incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right.

    Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are ‘far right’ by any contemporary usage of that term, and they are now part of the government.

    And, Likud is distinctly Centrist. In contemporary usage the combination of Center + Right = Center-Right. Which, I already conceded is a potentially viable descriptor despite Netanyahu’s personal Centrism.

    There is nothing “discriminatory” about necessary self defense.

    I agree, there isn’t much option.

    The religious homeland of Judea and the holy city of Jerusalem are inextricably linked to Judaism. Innocent Jewish civilians deserve the right to live without fear in their religious lands.

    If there are no other options it is not a voluntary system of chosen Apartheid. It is simply the minimum necessary measures against unprovoked violence.

    Let me return to the critical question… Again…

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?
    ___

    If you say both sides are followers of Apartheid, is not the obvious answer to complete the separation so both sides can be permanently apart?

    What is wrong with a solution that provides honorable and compensated relocation off Jewish land, with Muslims returning to their religious homeland? This seems vastly more practical than forcing the sides to associate in a way neither wants nor benefits from.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @A123


    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?
     
    We can't know the extent of Abba's supposed apartheid because there's no one under his authority he can practice it on. If some day a sizeable number of Jews came under his authority - really exercising our imaginations here - then we could provide an answer based on observable fact. For the time being, we are left discussing a hypothetical apartheid, which is to say a phantom apartheid - brought up, needless to say, solely in order to misdirect attention from the very real one practiced by Israel.

    Abbas, and his Apartheid Authority, has direct control over ~2.5 MM Muslims in the West Bank. Hamas has effective authority over ~2.0 MM Muslims in Gaza.
     
    Better known (to all but Israel-firsters) as Palestinians, as that term includes the Christians, who are also subject to Israeli apartheid.

    And, Likud is distinctly Centrist.
     
    We were discussing the fact that the far right is now part of the government.

    If there are no other options it is not a voluntary system of chosen Apartheid. It is simply the minimum necessary measures against unprovoked violence.
     
    It goes well beyond the minimum necessary. To return to a point you seem reluctant to concede - stupidly so, on your part, as there is no getting around it - apartheid exists in degrees and kinds. In addition to security needs, Israel practices a kind of apartheid that has nothing to do with security.

    If you say both sides are followers of Apartheid, is not the obvious answer to complete the separation so both sides can be permanently apart?
     
    There is only one side practicing it, as only one side has the power to practice it. A firmer, less arbitrary, less malicious form of apartheid, however, does indeed seem to be the best way forward. That is not up to me, however. I can only comment on what I observe, which is that Israelis seem determined to concede the Palestinians nothing, to continue reducing what little they have, and to permanently rid themselves of them when the opportunity presents itself.

    Replies: @A123

  14. @A123
    @silviosilver

    We notice you did not answer the question. Let me ask it again.

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?


    How many Palestinians does Israel have authority over? Oh.
     
    Israeli has approximately ~1.5 MM Muslim citizens.

    Abbas, and his Apartheid Authority, has direct control over ~2.5 MM Muslims in the West Bank. Hamas has effective authority over ~2.0 MM Muslims in Gaza. Theoretically they should also fall under the Apartheid Authority. So, Abbas's reach is 4.5-5.0 MM.

    Oh indeed...



    Bibi’s incoming coalition is either Centrist or Center-Right.
     
    Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are ‘far right’ by any contemporary usage of that term, and they are now part of the government.

     

    And, Likud is distinctly Centrist. In contemporary usage the combination of Center + Right = Center-Right. Which, I already conceded is a potentially viable descriptor despite Netanyahu's personal Centrism.


    There is nothing “discriminatory” about necessary self defense.

     

    I agree, there isn’t much option.
     
    The religious homeland of Judea and the holy city of Jerusalem are inextricably linked to Judaism. Innocent Jewish civilians deserve the right to live without fear in their religious lands.

    If there are no other options it is not a voluntary system of chosen Apartheid. It is simply the minimum necessary measures against unprovoked violence.

     

    Let me return to the critical question... Again...

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?
    ___

    If you say both sides are followers of Apartheid, is not the obvious answer to complete the separation so both sides can be permanently apart?

    What is wrong with a solution that provides honorable and compensated relocation off Jewish land, with Muslims returning to their religious homeland? This seems vastly more practical than forcing the sides to associate in a way neither wants nor benefits from.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?

    We can’t know the extent of Abba’s supposed apartheid because there’s no one under his authority he can practice it on. If some day a sizeable number of Jews came under his authority – really exercising our imaginations here – then we could provide an answer based on observable fact. For the time being, we are left discussing a hypothetical apartheid, which is to say a phantom apartheid – brought up, needless to say, solely in order to misdirect attention from the very real one practiced by Israel.

    Abbas, and his Apartheid Authority, has direct control over ~2.5 MM Muslims in the West Bank. Hamas has effective authority over ~2.0 MM Muslims in Gaza.

    Better known (to all but Israel-firsters) as Palestinians, as that term includes the Christians, who are also subject to Israeli apartheid.

    And, Likud is distinctly Centrist.

    We were discussing the fact that the far right is now part of the government.

    If there are no other options it is not a voluntary system of chosen Apartheid. It is simply the minimum necessary measures against unprovoked violence.

    It goes well beyond the minimum necessary. To return to a point you seem reluctant to concede – stupidly so, on your part, as there is no getting around it – apartheid exists in degrees and kinds. In addition to security needs, Israel practices a kind of apartheid that has nothing to do with security.

    If you say both sides are followers of Apartheid, is not the obvious answer to complete the separation so both sides can be permanently apart?

    There is only one side practicing it, as only one side has the power to practice it. A firmer, less arbitrary, less malicious form of apartheid, however, does indeed seem to be the best way forward. That is not up to me, however. I can only comment on what I observe, which is that Israelis seem determined to concede the Palestinians nothing, to continue reducing what little they have, and to permanently rid themselves of them when the opportunity presents itself.

    • Agree: Yahya, Not Raul
    • Replies: @A123
    @silviosilver

    You seem to be going out if your way to be very evasive.



    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?
     
    We can’t know the extent of Abba’s supposed apartheid because there’s no one under his authority he can practice it on.
     
    We can know... Abbas and his Apartheid Authority hand out life sentences for those who transgress Muslim Apartheid rules: (1)

    Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has toughened the penalty for citizens selling property to Israelis.

    According to the official Palestinian Wafa news agency, Abbas on Monday imposed a sentence of hard labor for life on “anyone diverting, renting or selling land to an enemy state or one of its subjects.”

    Jordan’s penal code number 16 article 114, applicable in the Palestinian territories, previously subscribed “temporary hard labor” to perpetrators of the crime.
     

    Palestinian Christians are also abused by the Apartheid Authority: (2)

    The Palestinian Authority has been forced to call off a press conference that was supposed to take place in Ramallah later this week regarding the upcoming Christmas festivities after protests by the Bethlehem Municipality and Christian leaders.

    Several Christian residents of Bethlehem accused the PA of attempting to “hijack” their holidays and marginalize the city’s role in organizing and overseeing the celebrations. Announcements about Christmas festivities have always been made from Bethlehem, they said.

    The dispute between Bethlehem and Ramallah over Christian holidays is unprecedented.

    Several Christians took to social media to express outrage over the PA’s attempt to shift attention from Bethlehem to Ramallah ahead of Christmas.
     

    There is plenty of evidence that Abbas and his Apartheid Authority are already practicing it as enthusiastically as they can.

    Palestinians, as that term includes the Christians
     
    Do not leave out Palestinian Jews... Palestinian Druze as well. The population of Palestine is ~12.5MM with the majority being ~7.5MM Palestinian Jews.


    Likud is distinctly Centrist. In contemporary usage the combination of Center + Right = Center-Right. Which, I already conceded is a potentially viable descriptor despite Netanyahu’s personal Centrism.
     
    We were discussing the fact that the far right is now part of the government

     

    Indeed the presence of the right makes Center-Right a valid label.

    Let us apply your 'one party' naming convention to the outgoing Bennett coalition. It contained the Ra'am Party. To you, was that administration Extreme Left or Muslim Left?



    If there are no other options it is not a voluntary system of chosen Apartheid. It is simply the minimum necessary measures against unprovoked violence.
     
    It goes well beyond the minimum necessary. To return to a point you seem reluctant to concede
     
    This is simply not so. Why do you uncritically accept Pallywood propaganda?

    what I observe, which is that Israelis seem determined to concede the Palestinians nothing, to continue reducing what little they have
     
    What I observe is that Palestinian Jews have offered concessions in the past. The other side has broken the deals 100% of the time. What point is there to offering concessions for nothing?

    I also observe that Muslim aggression is a direct cause of the reduction of what they have. More frequent and deadly unprovoked attacks draw more stringent minimum necessary security measures.

    Hamas, completely by itself, destroyed the fresh water aquifer under Gaza. Again, the reduction in resources is something that Islamic leadership, no one else, imposed on their own Muslims colonies.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-toughens-law-against-palestinians-selling-land-to-jews/

    (2) https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-723051

  15. Is Ron DeSwampus showing his true colors? (1)

    Candidates are personally financed by the book publication laundry system through advances, typically several million, and then again indirectly by supporting organizations through mass purchasing. It is not uncommon to find hundreds-of-thousands of books in various warehouses purchased by groups as indirect contributions to boost the candidate of their choice. The purchases determine the “best seller” rankings.

    It is unknown how much billionaire Rupert Murdoch has paid Ron DeSantis for the 2024 campaign but considering the stakes for this election cycle it’s likely in the $20 million range.

    By design, Governor Ron DeSantis will almost certainly be the last candidate to enter the 2024 race, sometime late summer. The entry will depend on their success in keeping him in the spotlight and headlines without ‘officially’ looking like they are trying to keep him in the spotlight and headlines. Fox News will play a key role in keeping DeSantis spotlighted.

    Everything is being carefully managed; however, when you know the script, and know where the tripwires are located, it’s very easy to see it playing out

    I still hope that DeSantis is simply playing these cash cows will not run. Possibly, to avoid blow back, punch the ticket on a token effort dropping out soon after Iowa and New Hampshire.

    A true RINO campaign on DeSantis part will irrevocably burn his credibility with the MAGA base. After that mistake, his political career would be over. One has to believe DeSantis is not stupid enough to opt for 100% certain failure.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/30/rupert-murdoch-pays-ron-desantis-undisclosed-sum-with-book-deal-ahead-of-2024-announcement/#more-240426

  16. People like Ngozi Fulani shouldn’t be asked where they are from, but rather where they are going.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @songbird

    Wakanda, forever.

    Replies: @songbird

  17. @silviosilver
    @A123


    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?
     
    We can't know the extent of Abba's supposed apartheid because there's no one under his authority he can practice it on. If some day a sizeable number of Jews came under his authority - really exercising our imaginations here - then we could provide an answer based on observable fact. For the time being, we are left discussing a hypothetical apartheid, which is to say a phantom apartheid - brought up, needless to say, solely in order to misdirect attention from the very real one practiced by Israel.

    Abbas, and his Apartheid Authority, has direct control over ~2.5 MM Muslims in the West Bank. Hamas has effective authority over ~2.0 MM Muslims in Gaza.
     
    Better known (to all but Israel-firsters) as Palestinians, as that term includes the Christians, who are also subject to Israeli apartheid.

    And, Likud is distinctly Centrist.
     
    We were discussing the fact that the far right is now part of the government.

    If there are no other options it is not a voluntary system of chosen Apartheid. It is simply the minimum necessary measures against unprovoked violence.
     
    It goes well beyond the minimum necessary. To return to a point you seem reluctant to concede - stupidly so, on your part, as there is no getting around it - apartheid exists in degrees and kinds. In addition to security needs, Israel practices a kind of apartheid that has nothing to do with security.

    If you say both sides are followers of Apartheid, is not the obvious answer to complete the separation so both sides can be permanently apart?
     
    There is only one side practicing it, as only one side has the power to practice it. A firmer, less arbitrary, less malicious form of apartheid, however, does indeed seem to be the best way forward. That is not up to me, however. I can only comment on what I observe, which is that Israelis seem determined to concede the Palestinians nothing, to continue reducing what little they have, and to permanently rid themselves of them when the opportunity presents itself.

    Replies: @A123

    You seem to be going out if your way to be very evasive.

    Do you condemn, or at least admit, that Abbas is running an Apartheid Authority in the West Bank?

    We can’t know the extent of Abba’s supposed apartheid because there’s no one under his authority he can practice it on.

    We can know… Abbas and his Apartheid Authority hand out life sentences for those who transgress Muslim Apartheid rules: (1)

    Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has toughened the penalty for citizens selling property to Israelis.

    According to the official Palestinian Wafa news agency, Abbas on Monday imposed a sentence of hard labor for life on “anyone diverting, renting or selling land to an enemy state or one of its subjects.”

    Jordan’s penal code number 16 article 114, applicable in the Palestinian territories, previously subscribed “temporary hard labor” to perpetrators of the crime.

    Palestinian Christians are also abused by the Apartheid Authority: (2)

    The Palestinian Authority has been forced to call off a press conference that was supposed to take place in Ramallah later this week regarding the upcoming Christmas festivities after protests by the Bethlehem Municipality and Christian leaders.

    Several Christian residents of Bethlehem accused the PA of attempting to “hijack” their holidays and marginalize the city’s role in organizing and overseeing the celebrations. Announcements about Christmas festivities have always been made from Bethlehem, they said.

    The dispute between Bethlehem and Ramallah over Christian holidays is unprecedented.

    Several Christians took to social media to express outrage over the PA’s attempt to shift attention from Bethlehem to Ramallah ahead of Christmas.

    There is plenty of evidence that Abbas and his Apartheid Authority are already practicing it as enthusiastically as they can.

    Palestinians, as that term includes the Christians

    Do not leave out Palestinian Jews… Palestinian Druze as well. The population of Palestine is ~12.5MM with the majority being ~7.5MM Palestinian Jews.

    Likud is distinctly Centrist. In contemporary usage the combination of Center + Right = Center-Right. Which, I already conceded is a potentially viable descriptor despite Netanyahu’s personal Centrism.

    We were discussing the fact that the far right is now part of the government

    Indeed the presence of the right makes Center-Right a valid label.

    Let us apply your ‘one party’ naming convention to the outgoing Bennett coalition. It contained the Ra’am Party. To you, was that administration Extreme Left or Muslim Left?

    If there are no other options it is not a voluntary system of chosen Apartheid. It is simply the minimum necessary measures against unprovoked violence.

    It goes well beyond the minimum necessary. To return to a point you seem reluctant to concede

    This is simply not so. Why do you uncritically accept Pallywood propaganda?

    what I observe, which is that Israelis seem determined to concede the Palestinians nothing, to continue reducing what little they have

    What I observe is that Palestinian Jews have offered concessions in the past. The other side has broken the deals 100% of the time. What point is there to offering concessions for nothing?

    I also observe that Muslim aggression is a direct cause of the reduction of what they have. More frequent and deadly unprovoked attacks draw more stringent minimum necessary security measures.

    Hamas, completely by itself, destroyed the fresh water aquifer under Gaza. Again, the reduction in resources is something that Islamic leadership, no one else, imposed on their own Muslims colonies.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-toughens-law-against-palestinians-selling-land-to-jews/

    (2) https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-723051

  18. If Trump gets in, he should appoint Ye ambassador to Israel to punish Bibi for having the gall to tell him who he can and can’t meet.

    • Agree: Mikel, Not Raul
  19. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    How many Arab lives is equal to one Jewish life?

    It might be possible to put a number on this if you have access to Israel government data and documentation. Since I don't I am going to guess around 140 - 1.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    140? Would that add up to as much as a Jewish fingernail?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    I don't know the authentic statistics. Also I am not Jewish. : )

  20. @songbird
    People like Ngozi Fulani shouldn't be asked where they are from, but rather where they are going.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Wakanda, forever.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @silviosilver

    It is a pity they called it "vibranium" instead of "vibrantium."

    Replies: @A123

  21. @silviosilver
    @songbird

    Wakanda, forever.

    Replies: @songbird

    It is a pity they called it “vibranium” instead of “vibrantium.”

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    It is a pity they called it “vibranium” instead of “vibrantium.”
     
    Better than Avatar. That included "Unobtanium".
    ___

    Given the falling out between Ye and Trump a good posting, like Israel, is unthinkable.

    Sending Ye to Liberia, Sudan, or Afghanistan? Much more plausible.

    Accidentally cancelling Ye's passport when he is overseas so he becomes stateless? Entertaining, but sadly low probability.

    PEACE 😇
  22. @songbird
    @silviosilver

    It is a pity they called it "vibranium" instead of "vibrantium."

    Replies: @A123

    It is a pity they called it “vibranium” instead of “vibrantium.”

    Better than Avatar. That included “Unobtanium”.
    ___

    Given the falling out between Ye and Trump a good posting, like Israel, is unthinkable.

    Sending Ye to Liberia, Sudan, or Afghanistan? Much more plausible.

    Accidentally cancelling Ye’s passport when he is overseas so he becomes stateless? Entertaining, but sadly low probability.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: songbird
  23. @Sher Singh

    It is a question of cultural identity as much as a question of religion. Even when they secularize, they retain considerable anti-western/anti-white hostility. (The Moroccan rioters recently in the news were probably not religious fanatics.) How much is “considerable”? I don’t know. Less than what the far right claims, but more than the rosy outlook of secularization theorists like yourself.
     
    Exactly. In a History of Secularism Graeme Smith says 19th C religiosity is an exception.
    Normally, 10% hardcore lead & rest follow for identity - just like politics.

    Countries Westernize for trade/tech - that incentive is upturned in migrants.
    The more parochialism & hostility - the more valuable as Foederati.

    "Assimilation is a racist burden on already beleaguered poor POC"

    A lot of these convos aren't even ideological debates.
    It's merely people well versed in the Western culture vs immigrant compradors.

    No American thinks it's racist to avoid the black neighbourhood,
    The European converso goes there & gets his teeth knocked out.

    Thread:

    https://twitter.com/qin_duke/status/1596948057635303426

    A lot of American conservatism isn't principled opposition either.
    Just small town rubes getting caught with the times.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    No American thinks it’s racist to avoid the black neighbourhood,

    I suspect that this may be the difference between old-school libs and Woke libs, I get the impression from conversations that the Woke variety actually do think it’s racist to avoid “vibrant” neighborhoods, while the former are realistic in practice.

    A lot of American conservatism isn’t principled opposition either

    I’d agree with that. A small minority of either conservatives or liberals are actually principled. The majority just go where the dominant narrative lies. As the younger generation ages in, it will be an unmitigated disaster for conservatism since the majority are at least passively complicit with
    Woke society. The Right is dominated by older cohorts because they are holding on to the past dominant narrative. I fully expect myself and my children to be living in a wholly ideologically hostile general society (not that we aren’t there already) for the foreseen future.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    For conservative I was thinking Small town Ontario & Alberta. Steadfast in the old narrative & looking to enforce it. Toronto & the Maritimes are more laid back. They see liberalism as a guideline rather than a principle.

    Things seem less polarized than 2020, but I'm also back in a mostly Panjabi area so I can't tell. I do sort of like bouncing back between the enclave and general society at times.

    xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/z9ddsh/trudeau_accuses_conservatives_of_being_deep_in/

    Interesting video. I don't really know I'm back to just being Panjabi. No time for Hindus and their cucked bullshit. With Hinduism, Bhuddism & Sikhi all coming from Panjab what's left to say? Bharat is great when ruled from Panjab & stretching to the Caspian. Not worth mentioning otherwise,

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/973087973266567208/1047746903485448264/IMG_5020.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787635978746986496/1047788750723350558/IMG_20221201_031811.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa


    I suspect that this may be the difference between old-school libs and Woke libs, I get the impression from conversations that the Woke variety actually do think it’s racist to avoid “vibrant” neighborhoods, while the former are realistic in practice.

     

    Here is the way to do this and avoid any embarrassment. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Oprah Winfrey use this method. Any black neighborhood is perfectly safe to traverse or visit for a photo op even if you are as white as Johnny Winter or Julian Assange. The rule is: be elsewhere by 10:45 A.M. Violent reckless people are overwhelmingly late risers. You can't even get up early if you were up raising hell late last night. Sailer needs a histogram of violent crime times with domestic violence edited out. It's not a Bell curve. I'm sure there is a name for it in the Stat handbook on my shelf which I cannot be assed to look up. It picks up around noon and it rises exponentially to a max 7-9 PM and decays slow at first but later falls fast to near zero at 4:30-8:00 A.M. and stays pretty much negligible until 11:45 A.M. or so.

    White people who hang out with black people have a screw loose. Even black people who can afford it don't hang out with black people. Kanye West lives in a white neighborhood. The exceptions to this rule really stick out. See Marvin Harrison. Keeping it real is one of those fairy tales like self-made man which does happen but it's rare.

    Replies: @Beckow

  24. @silviosilver
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    140? Would that add up to as much as a Jewish fingernail?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don’t know the authentic statistics. Also I am not Jewish. : )

  25. Sher Singh says:
    @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh


    No American thinks it’s racist to avoid the black neighbourhood,
     
    I suspect that this may be the difference between old-school libs and Woke libs, I get the impression from conversations that the Woke variety actually do think it's racist to avoid "vibrant" neighborhoods, while the former are realistic in practice.


    A lot of American conservatism isn’t principled opposition either
     
    I'd agree with that. A small minority of either conservatives or liberals are actually principled. The majority just go where the dominant narrative lies. As the younger generation ages in, it will be an unmitigated disaster for conservatism since the majority are at least passively complicit with
    Woke society. The Right is dominated by older cohorts because they are holding on to the past dominant narrative. I fully expect myself and my children to be living in a wholly ideologically hostile general society (not that we aren't there already) for the foreseen future.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Emil Nikola Richard

    For conservative I was thinking Small town Ontario & Alberta. Steadfast in the old narrative & looking to enforce it. Toronto & the Maritimes are more laid back. They see liberalism as a guideline rather than a principle.

    Things seem less polarized than 2020, but I’m also back in a mostly Panjabi area so I can’t tell. I do sort of like bouncing back between the enclave and general society at times.

    xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/z9ddsh/trudeau_accuses_conservatives_of_being_deep_in/

    Interesting video. I don’t really know I’m back to just being Panjabi. No time for Hindus and their cucked bullshit. With Hinduism, Bhuddism & Sikhi all coming from Panjab what’s left to say? Bharat is great when ruled from Panjab & stretching to the Caspian. Not worth mentioning otherwise,

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Sher Singh

    It's also funny seeing all the old narratives dying.
    The Indus Valley people were mostly Irani & Mestizo in colour. The Indo Aryans just resemble modern Panjabis or Tajiks.

    Much past Delhi you got a tropical rice climate & lanky black people against the more robust Aryans, seen today as well.

    We can turn our gaze back toward Iran and Turkey now that the overly philosophical Hindus and Europeans are retreating out of the picture.

    Zar, Zan, Zameen.
    Gold, Women, Land.

    , @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh


    Posting a fitness video is subtly trying to say I’m the most fit
     
    That is the strange dynamic of social media culture. It's perverse for people to constantly branding themselves. It's peak capitalism at it's finest.

    I like in a rural area and it's quite red and Trumpy. I find some of that to be obnoxious in all honesty as a lot of it is powered by knee-jerk Republican programming. People are only starting to get that corporate America or the surveillance state is their enemy now that it has turned Woke/ controlled by Biden. They are the same people who enthusiastically built it brick by brick in the W. Bush years.

    However nice it is to imagine that the social accommodation that seemed plausible in the 90's is a realistic possibility, I think that it is not. Increasingly it seems like we'll be facing an inevitable choice between an authoritarian Right and a totalitarian Left (if we even have a choice), as I think the general populace is too uneducated and lazy to even make a stab at representative government of even degraded form.

    If that truly is the choice, than I would have to choose the group that might beat up gays over the group that believes in "Trans kids".

    Realistically though, I think it will ultimately be necessary to go underground a bit, and find ways to subvert the system. The Left has been very successful in their model and actual conservatives would do well to pay attention.

    A large part of that comes down to the kids. I see so many people in their 60's bitch and moan about younger people, but who raised them? They sure didn't spring ex nihilo from Saul Alinsky's head like Athena. If you don't raise kids with something compelling to believe in the void will be filled by others.

    Any conservative or dissident from the current order needs to make sure their ultimate goal is to live off one income and raise their kids themselves. Sending one's kids to public school is a losing game as the time spent in counter programming the negative values propounded all day makes it that much harder to find time to inculcate positive values.

    Out of curiousity, do the Sikhs in a place like Canada send their kids to the public school or do you have any your own institutions?

    Replies: @showmethereal

  26. Sher Singh says:
    @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    For conservative I was thinking Small town Ontario & Alberta. Steadfast in the old narrative & looking to enforce it. Toronto & the Maritimes are more laid back. They see liberalism as a guideline rather than a principle.

    Things seem less polarized than 2020, but I'm also back in a mostly Panjabi area so I can't tell. I do sort of like bouncing back between the enclave and general society at times.

    xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/z9ddsh/trudeau_accuses_conservatives_of_being_deep_in/

    Interesting video. I don't really know I'm back to just being Panjabi. No time for Hindus and their cucked bullshit. With Hinduism, Bhuddism & Sikhi all coming from Panjab what's left to say? Bharat is great when ruled from Panjab & stretching to the Caspian. Not worth mentioning otherwise,

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/973087973266567208/1047746903485448264/IMG_5020.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787635978746986496/1047788750723350558/IMG_20221201_031811.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    It’s also funny seeing all the old narratives dying.
    The Indus Valley people were mostly Irani & Mestizo in colour. The Indo Aryans just resemble modern Panjabis or Tajiks.

    Much past Delhi you got a tropical rice climate & lanky black people against the more robust Aryans, seen today as well.

    We can turn our gaze back toward Iran and Turkey now that the overly philosophical Hindus and Europeans are retreating out of the picture.

    Zar, Zan, Zameen.
    Gold, Women, Land.

  27. Sher Singh says:

    http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/airyanavaeja.htm

    Hapta Hindu Hindava (OP)

    Upper Indus, Gandhara, Punjab, Kashmir

    – Wide expanses
    – Violence, rage and hot weather

    Zoroastar was from the broader Uttar Kuru area too.
    Nothing left for Eastern Hindus or Western Iranics.

    They can kick rocks with all due respect.

    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/guru-gobind-singh-the-glory-of-all-hindustan

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  28. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh


    No American thinks it’s racist to avoid the black neighbourhood,
     
    I suspect that this may be the difference between old-school libs and Woke libs, I get the impression from conversations that the Woke variety actually do think it's racist to avoid "vibrant" neighborhoods, while the former are realistic in practice.


    A lot of American conservatism isn’t principled opposition either
     
    I'd agree with that. A small minority of either conservatives or liberals are actually principled. The majority just go where the dominant narrative lies. As the younger generation ages in, it will be an unmitigated disaster for conservatism since the majority are at least passively complicit with
    Woke society. The Right is dominated by older cohorts because they are holding on to the past dominant narrative. I fully expect myself and my children to be living in a wholly ideologically hostile general society (not that we aren't there already) for the foreseen future.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I suspect that this may be the difference between old-school libs and Woke libs, I get the impression from conversations that the Woke variety actually do think it’s racist to avoid “vibrant” neighborhoods, while the former are realistic in practice.

    Here is the way to do this and avoid any embarrassment. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Oprah Winfrey use this method. Any black neighborhood is perfectly safe to traverse or visit for a photo op even if you are as white as Johnny Winter or Julian Assange. The rule is: be elsewhere by 10:45 A.M. Violent reckless people are overwhelmingly late risers. You can’t even get up early if you were up raising hell late last night. Sailer needs a histogram of violent crime times with domestic violence edited out. It’s not a Bell curve. I’m sure there is a name for it in the Stat handbook on my shelf which I cannot be assed to look up. It picks up around noon and it rises exponentially to a max 7-9 PM and decays slow at first but later falls fast to near zero at 4:30-8:00 A.M. and stays pretty much negligible until 11:45 A.M. or so.

    White people who hang out with black people have a screw loose. Even black people who can afford it don’t hang out with black people. Kanye West lives in a white neighborhood. The exceptions to this rule really stick out. See Marvin Harrison. Keeping it real is one of those fairy tales like self-made man which does happen but it’s rare.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...be elsewhere by 10:45 A.M. Violent reckless people are overwhelmingly late risers.
     
    It works in most situations, thugs don't wake up early and are slow to get going. But with official sponsored thuggery it is the opposite, they like early mornings then fizzle out.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  29. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa


    I suspect that this may be the difference between old-school libs and Woke libs, I get the impression from conversations that the Woke variety actually do think it’s racist to avoid “vibrant” neighborhoods, while the former are realistic in practice.

     

    Here is the way to do this and avoid any embarrassment. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Oprah Winfrey use this method. Any black neighborhood is perfectly safe to traverse or visit for a photo op even if you are as white as Johnny Winter or Julian Assange. The rule is: be elsewhere by 10:45 A.M. Violent reckless people are overwhelmingly late risers. You can't even get up early if you were up raising hell late last night. Sailer needs a histogram of violent crime times with domestic violence edited out. It's not a Bell curve. I'm sure there is a name for it in the Stat handbook on my shelf which I cannot be assed to look up. It picks up around noon and it rises exponentially to a max 7-9 PM and decays slow at first but later falls fast to near zero at 4:30-8:00 A.M. and stays pretty much negligible until 11:45 A.M. or so.

    White people who hang out with black people have a screw loose. Even black people who can afford it don't hang out with black people. Kanye West lives in a white neighborhood. The exceptions to this rule really stick out. See Marvin Harrison. Keeping it real is one of those fairy tales like self-made man which does happen but it's rare.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …be elsewhere by 10:45 A.M. Violent reckless people are overwhelmingly late risers.

    It works in most situations, thugs don’t wake up early and are slow to get going. But with official sponsored thuggery it is the opposite, they like early mornings then fizzle out.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    Now that is an excellent point. Is Antifa a career path? Do they get compensated for punctuality and attendance?

    Replies: @Beckow

  30. @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...be elsewhere by 10:45 A.M. Violent reckless people are overwhelmingly late risers.
     
    It works in most situations, thugs don't wake up early and are slow to get going. But with official sponsored thuggery it is the opposite, they like early mornings then fizzle out.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Now that is an excellent point. Is Antifa a career path? Do they get compensated for punctuality and attendance?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Officials like to get home early whether they do it themselves or through hired help. Remember that Antifa activities (broadly defined) are always supervised.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  31. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you watch Huberman and Fridman from a couple days ago?

    There were two valuable slips that I heard in a large stew of garbage.

    1. There are American combat troops on the ground right now in Ukraine.

    2. Huberman will "never reveal my preferences for pandemic related things for hopefully obvious reasons";

    (the only conceivable obvious reason to me is that he is mealy mouthed two faced wishy washy suck ass (for professional reasons)).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LondonBob

    Scott Ritter was talking on Judge Napolitano’s show about the radio traffic from the ‘Ukrainian’ side is almost all Polish, English etc.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    radio traffic from the ‘Ukrainian’ side is almost all Polish, English etc.
     
    So, Polish army will get beaten even w/o their country officially entering the war. English-speaking scum is most likely mercenaries: there are no rumors of any English-speaking country being stupid enough to send its regular troops to Ukraine.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @showmethereal

  32. Really strong PMI out of Russia, meanwhile the dire economic numbers keep coming from the US.

    Interesting listening to The Duran today, hadn’t heard about the Monaco Battalion, some distinctly dodgy stuff go on between the Jewish oligarchs, the CIA, the Ukraine and the Democrat Party, with spooks currency, crypto, very much involved.

  33. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    Now that is an excellent point. Is Antifa a career path? Do they get compensated for punctuality and attendance?

    Replies: @Beckow

    Officials like to get home early whether they do it themselves or through hired help. Remember that Antifa activities (broadly defined) are always supervised.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    The Poland scum "football" team reached new low depths against Argentina. Easily the footballing equivalent of a war crime - they were that bad, cowardly and useless but still cheated getting through to next stage.

    Switzerland are similarly negative and boring, just not anywhere near the same level of negative and boring. I am praying for Serbia to defeat the organ-harvesters (kosovan connection)-Africans-Turks that make up the Switzerland team

  34. @LondonBob
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Scott Ritter was talking on Judge Napolitano's show about the radio traffic from the 'Ukrainian' side is almost all Polish, English etc.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    radio traffic from the ‘Ukrainian’ side is almost all Polish, English etc.

    So, Polish army will get beaten even w/o their country officially entering the war. English-speaking scum is most likely mercenaries: there are no rumors of any English-speaking country being stupid enough to send its regular troops to Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    What is going to happen to the narrative if and when the Russians administer capital punishment to the first captured American merc the Americans balk at ransoming?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @showmethereal
    @AnonfromTN

    True but the “former” US and British and Canadian military who went there are mercenaries I would guess were paid out of some “black funds” from some intelligence services.

  35. stronglifts.com

    Those from mercantile cultures (West of Fars & East of Delhi) must be shocked at honor cultures.
    Basic assumptions about the intent behind things can make conversation nigh impossible.

    Sucks for the cucks.


    An individualist mercantile mindset is about improving the brand, competition to bottom.
    Posting a fitness video is subtly trying to say I’m the most fit,

    In a honor culture it’s about improving group fitness.
    Telling others to lift is so you have people to fight/play with..

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Did you see the more plates more dates you tube where he has the leaked (stolen) Liver King e-mail?

    It is one of the funnier internet episodes of the year. 5000 dollars a month HGH and daily needle injections. Ouch.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    , @Mikel
    @Sher Singh

    If you just changed your motto slightly to "Worship beef, lift weights" you might get plenty of Basque converts.

    https://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/medibigoff/a16defe84b4447a894fa751d0f9aa259/b20-738017.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  36. @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    radio traffic from the ‘Ukrainian’ side is almost all Polish, English etc.
     
    So, Polish army will get beaten even w/o their country officially entering the war. English-speaking scum is most likely mercenaries: there are no rumors of any English-speaking country being stupid enough to send its regular troops to Ukraine.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @showmethereal

    What is going to happen to the narrative if and when the Russians administer capital punishment to the first captured American merc the Americans balk at ransoming?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    What is going to happen to the narrative if and when the Russians administer capital punishment to the first captured American merc the Americans balk at ransoming?
     
    That might have been good trolling, but I doubt that’s going to happen. If memory serves, DPR (before joining the RF) captured a British merc, tried him, and condemned him to death. End result: he was returned to Brits in some kind of a shady deal (ransomed, using your term). Note that DPR had capital punishment, which the RF does not (even though 70-80% of Russian population supports its reinstatement). My guess is captured American mercs will be used as bargaining chips, but won’t be executed (even though IMO they deserve it).
  37. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    What is going to happen to the narrative if and when the Russians administer capital punishment to the first captured American merc the Americans balk at ransoming?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    What is going to happen to the narrative if and when the Russians administer capital punishment to the first captured American merc the Americans balk at ransoming?

    That might have been good trolling, but I doubt that’s going to happen. If memory serves, DPR (before joining the RF) captured a British merc, tried him, and condemned him to death. End result: he was returned to Brits in some kind of a shady deal (ransomed, using your term). Note that DPR had capital punishment, which the RF does not (even though 70-80% of Russian population supports its reinstatement). My guess is captured American mercs will be used as bargaining chips, but won’t be executed (even though IMO they deserve it).

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  38. @Sher Singh
    stronglifts.com

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4z7EXJ42pc

    Those from mercantile cultures (West of Fars & East of Delhi) must be shocked at honor cultures.
    Basic assumptions about the intent behind things can make conversation nigh impossible.

    Sucks for the cucks.

    --
    An individualist mercantile mindset is about improving the brand, competition to bottom.
    Posting a fitness video is subtly trying to say I'm the most fit,

    In a honor culture it's about improving group fitness.
    Telling others to lift is so you have people to fight/play with..

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Did you see the more plates more dates you tube where he has the leaked (stolen) Liver King e-mail?

    It is one of the funnier internet episodes of the year. 5000 dollars a month HGH and daily needle injections. Ouch.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Na, bromley made a vid about it but I've just been focused on lifting.

    Going for the 8th workout in 8 days when that should take me 16 on bullmastiff.

    https://twitter.com/mansionsengh/status/1594866916900102145/photo/3

    Going for a 600+ deadlift & 300+ front squat atm.
    After that wanna hit mid 300s bench & low 200s OHP by next fall hopefully?

    Only 20-40lb in each case tbh.
    ---
    Bullmastiff is 3 waves body building 3 waves strength (3 weeks each - 18 total + 1 test/rest).
    Strength been exploding since I started wave 2 of strength (week 13) & last session of 14 now.
    Began it mid-August.


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Wow. I just looked that up and talk about retarded. That guy is just the male version of Pamela Anderson with her fake boobs and a surgically sculpted butt. He must have too much free time.

    Does he do anything remotely useful with those muscles other than eat raw livers on social media?

    Does that guy even own shirts or is he too cool for them?

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

  39. The German juggernaut is down and out. Damn.

    Japan proving to be a dark horse. Defeating Spain and Germany. Impressive. I’ll be rooting for them for the rest of the tournament.

    Interesting World Cup. I take back my snide remarks about football watching.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Yahya

    Germany have been poor for a while, aside from the keeper no really world class players, surprising how many weak teams there are. Spain, France, England and Brazil the strongest.

    Japan are fun to watch, thought they blew it with the loss to Costa Rica, hope they keep going.

    One of my pet hates is how the information wars have politicised tournaments, been a good one so far, despite the usual media kvetching.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  40. Sher Singh says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Did you see the more plates more dates you tube where he has the leaked (stolen) Liver King e-mail?

    It is one of the funnier internet episodes of the year. 5000 dollars a month HGH and daily needle injections. Ouch.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    Na, bromley made a vid about it but I’ve just been focused on lifting.

    Going for the 8th workout in 8 days when that should take me 16 on bullmastiff.

    https://twitter.com/mansionsengh/status/1594866916900102145/photo/3

    Going for a 600+ deadlift & 300+ front squat atm.
    After that wanna hit mid 300s bench & low 200s OHP by next fall hopefully?

    Only 20-40lb in each case tbh.

    Bullmastiff is 3 waves body building 3 waves strength (3 weeks each – 18 total + 1 test/rest).
    Strength been exploding since I started wave 2 of strength (week 13) & last session of 14 now.
    Began it mid-August.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    You'll probably find this funny, but I've been thinking lately that I should take up dance or martial arts. I have a lot of speed and wiry strength but could be better in flexibility, fine control, and balance. I think that will keep me running at peak for the longest period possible. In my case I have to worry about mostly falling off tall things and overuse injuries.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  41. @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    For conservative I was thinking Small town Ontario & Alberta. Steadfast in the old narrative & looking to enforce it. Toronto & the Maritimes are more laid back. They see liberalism as a guideline rather than a principle.

    Things seem less polarized than 2020, but I'm also back in a mostly Panjabi area so I can't tell. I do sort of like bouncing back between the enclave and general society at times.

    xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/z9ddsh/trudeau_accuses_conservatives_of_being_deep_in/

    Interesting video. I don't really know I'm back to just being Panjabi. No time for Hindus and their cucked bullshit. With Hinduism, Bhuddism & Sikhi all coming from Panjab what's left to say? Bharat is great when ruled from Panjab & stretching to the Caspian. Not worth mentioning otherwise,

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/973087973266567208/1047746903485448264/IMG_5020.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787635978746986496/1047788750723350558/IMG_20221201_031811.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    Posting a fitness video is subtly trying to say I’m the most fit

    That is the strange dynamic of social media culture. It’s perverse for people to constantly branding themselves. It’s peak capitalism at it’s finest.

    I like in a rural area and it’s quite red and Trumpy. I find some of that to be obnoxious in all honesty as a lot of it is powered by knee-jerk Republican programming. People are only starting to get that corporate America or the surveillance state is their enemy now that it has turned Woke/ controlled by Biden. They are the same people who enthusiastically built it brick by brick in the W. Bush years.

    However nice it is to imagine that the social accommodation that seemed plausible in the 90’s is a realistic possibility, I think that it is not. Increasingly it seems like we’ll be facing an inevitable choice between an authoritarian Right and a totalitarian Left (if we even have a choice), as I think the general populace is too uneducated and lazy to even make a stab at representative government of even degraded form.

    If that truly is the choice, than I would have to choose the group that might beat up gays over the group that believes in “Trans kids”.

    Realistically though, I think it will ultimately be necessary to go underground a bit, and find ways to subvert the system. The Left has been very successful in their model and actual conservatives would do well to pay attention.

    A large part of that comes down to the kids. I see so many people in their 60’s bitch and moan about younger people, but who raised them? They sure didn’t spring ex nihilo from Saul Alinsky’s head like Athena. If you don’t raise kids with something compelling to believe in the void will be filled by others.

    Any conservative or dissident from the current order needs to make sure their ultimate goal is to live off one income and raise their kids themselves. Sending one’s kids to public school is a losing game as the time spent in counter programming the negative values propounded all day makes it that much harder to find time to inculcate positive values.

    Out of curiousity, do the Sikhs in a place like Canada send their kids to the public school or do you have any your own institutions?

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Barbarossa

    I never understood the obsession with extreme weight lifting and body building. It doesn’t help in a fight. Plenty of bulky people get beat up by smaller people who have good technique for hitting. All that bulk doesn’t extend life either…. Strength training does (of course with good lifestyle and cardio…. But bulky muscles doesn’t do much unless someone is a lumber Jack….

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mikel

  42. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Did you see the more plates more dates you tube where he has the leaked (stolen) Liver King e-mail?

    It is one of the funnier internet episodes of the year. 5000 dollars a month HGH and daily needle injections. Ouch.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    Wow. I just looked that up and talk about retarded. That guy is just the male version of Pamela Anderson with her fake boobs and a surgically sculpted butt. He must have too much free time.

    Does he do anything remotely useful with those muscles other than eat raw livers on social media?

    Does that guy even own shirts or is he too cool for them?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa


    Does that guy even own shirts or is he too cool for them?
     
    Nope. Too SEXY for them. The suit in the live version is... Ummmmmm... Impressive?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czNZox8iM-E

    The original is below [MORE]. The Bangles were disturbing enough... Is this another portent?

    PEACE 😇



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ
    , @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    Tracy Telligman (most often billed as "Tra" Telligman /ˈtreɪ/; born February 7, 1965) is a retired American mixed martial artist and boxer who has fought in the UFC, PRIDE, and Pancrase. He is also known for fighting despite having only one pectoralis major muscle.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tra_Telligman

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  43. @goldgettin
    Not another thread.
    Seriously,what is someone supposed to do with
    another thread?Have we not enough threads?
    Maybe there are too many threads...?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @building7

    To keep up with ZOG tricks

  44. @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Na, bromley made a vid about it but I've just been focused on lifting.

    Going for the 8th workout in 8 days when that should take me 16 on bullmastiff.

    https://twitter.com/mansionsengh/status/1594866916900102145/photo/3

    Going for a 600+ deadlift & 300+ front squat atm.
    After that wanna hit mid 300s bench & low 200s OHP by next fall hopefully?

    Only 20-40lb in each case tbh.
    ---
    Bullmastiff is 3 waves body building 3 waves strength (3 weeks each - 18 total + 1 test/rest).
    Strength been exploding since I started wave 2 of strength (week 13) & last session of 14 now.
    Began it mid-August.


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    You’ll probably find this funny, but I’ve been thinking lately that I should take up dance or martial arts. I have a lot of speed and wiry strength but could be better in flexibility, fine control, and balance. I think that will keep me running at peak for the longest period possible. In my case I have to worry about mostly falling off tall things and overuse injuries.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    The Combat Arms does Yoga & strongman/powerlifting is also big on body mechanics.
    Sikhs do have private schools in BC but mostly public.


    As of the 2021 Census, more than half of Canada's Sikhs can be found in one of four cities: Brampton (163,260),[17] Surrey (154,415),[18] Calgary (49,465),[19] and Abbotsford (38,395).
     
    Metros aren't woke outside the Bohemian-Anglo core.
    Anglo Men, Catholic Women are old woke in Canada.
    Korean women are the new kid on HR block.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqukjOcY3ok
    Been doing this between sets due to a bicep/forearm imbalance.
    Forearm is too strong relatively,

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/wt9e6q/most_common_second_languages_in_toronto/

    Natives & blacks are the designated crybabies.
    Left & Right will air & weaponize their grievances.

    Chinese, German, Hindu & Pole all try to join the woke coalition, but can't.
    The first 2 are far too autistic, and latter bellyache way too much.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  45. @Sher Singh
    stronglifts.com

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4z7EXJ42pc

    Those from mercantile cultures (West of Fars & East of Delhi) must be shocked at honor cultures.
    Basic assumptions about the intent behind things can make conversation nigh impossible.

    Sucks for the cucks.

    --
    An individualist mercantile mindset is about improving the brand, competition to bottom.
    Posting a fitness video is subtly trying to say I'm the most fit,

    In a honor culture it's about improving group fitness.
    Telling others to lift is so you have people to fight/play with..

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    If you just changed your motto slightly to “Worship beef, lift weights” you might get plenty of Basque converts.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    Why would we change our religion to suit others, are the Basque familiar with that?
    You proudly told of Basque women mounting Aryan steeds to preserve the native tongue.
    Would that lineage really enhance the Khalsa?

    https://twitter.com/kaljugi/status/1598006267095973888?s=20

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

    Replies: @Mikel

  46. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Wow. I just looked that up and talk about retarded. That guy is just the male version of Pamela Anderson with her fake boobs and a surgically sculpted butt. He must have too much free time.

    Does he do anything remotely useful with those muscles other than eat raw livers on social media?

    Does that guy even own shirts or is he too cool for them?

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    Does that guy even own shirts or is he too cool for them?

    Nope. Too SEXY for them. The suit in the live version is… Ummmmmm… Impressive?

    The original is below [MORE]. The Bangles were disturbing enough… Is this another portent?

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

  47. Sher Singh says:
    @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    You'll probably find this funny, but I've been thinking lately that I should take up dance or martial arts. I have a lot of speed and wiry strength but could be better in flexibility, fine control, and balance. I think that will keep me running at peak for the longest period possible. In my case I have to worry about mostly falling off tall things and overuse injuries.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    The Combat Arms does Yoga & strongman/powerlifting is also big on body mechanics.
    Sikhs do have private schools in BC but mostly public.

    As of the 2021 Census, more than half of Canada’s Sikhs can be found in one of four cities: Brampton (163,260),[17] Surrey (154,415),[18] Calgary (49,465),[19] and Abbotsford (38,395).

    Metros aren’t woke outside the Bohemian-Anglo core.
    Anglo Men, Catholic Women are old woke in Canada.
    Korean women are the new kid on HR block.

    [MORE]

    Been doing this between sets due to a bicep/forearm imbalance.
    Forearm is too strong relatively,

    Most common second languages in Toronto from ontario

    Natives & blacks are the designated crybabies.
    Left & Right will air & weaponize their grievances.

    Chinese, German, Hindu & Pole all try to join the woke coalition, but can’t.
    The first 2 are far too autistic, and latter bellyache way too much.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Body building gyms are fake and gay.

    This guy is the only guru any man could possibly need.

    https://www.amazon.com/Functional-Training-Juan-Carlos-Santana/dp/1450414826

    The prime directive: if it hurts do something else.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @showmethereal

  48. @Mikel
    @Sher Singh

    If you just changed your motto slightly to "Worship beef, lift weights" you might get plenty of Basque converts.

    https://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/medibigoff/a16defe84b4447a894fa751d0f9aa259/b20-738017.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Why would we change our religion to suit others, are the Basque familiar with that?
    You proudly told of Basque women mounting Aryan steeds to preserve the native tongue.
    Would that lineage really enhance the Khalsa?

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    Would that lineage really enhance the Khalsa?
     
    I don't know what the Khalsa is so I can't answer that question. I was just trying to find some commonality between us and offer a suggestion that would also improve your lifestyle. That has nothing to do with you mounting anybody at all but feel free to publish your wild fantasies for everybody to see lol

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  49. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Wow. I just looked that up and talk about retarded. That guy is just the male version of Pamela Anderson with her fake boobs and a surgically sculpted butt. He must have too much free time.

    Does he do anything remotely useful with those muscles other than eat raw livers on social media?

    Does that guy even own shirts or is he too cool for them?

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    Tracy Telligman (most often billed as “Tra” Telligman /ˈtreɪ/; born February 7, 1965) is a retired American mixed martial artist and boxer who has fought in the UFC, PRIDE, and Pancrase. He is also known for fighting despite having only one pectoralis major muscle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tra_Telligman

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    Wow. That's impressive, Thanks.

    Replies: @songbird

  50. General (Ret) Shirreff, ex Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europ, like many others doesn’t want to say anything that might encourage Russia and make it think it has the West over a barrel. But the truth is the US has not given Ukraine the main things it is asking for, such as the Army Tactical Missile System and much else they could have because Russia is fragile, belligerent, and non conventionally extremely dangerous. Shirreff,’s 2017 book in which Western intel hackers prevent escalation by causing a Russian nuke to explode on the launch pad is fiction .

    The almost certain cancelation of the lease on Crimea in 2014 precipitating Putin into instantly annexing Crimea shows the the value Putin places on Crimea implied by his 2014 invasion to keep it; all this hardly suggests he, or maybe any, Russian leadership will accept losing Crimea. What tends to be assumed in this much jingoistic commentary of YT that after Ukraine (hypothetically) gets its lost territories back Russia will just throw up its hands and quit, but that is very unlikely. Crimea is basically Russian and given all the Russian speakers who have been moved there from Kherson and other places the Ukrainians have taken it is extremely doubtful that Ukraine could win any kind of referendum there. In summary, Ukraine has not thought it through; they can win a hundred battles, but the war will keep going on.

    America has in fact not given Ukraine several things they asked for. While exposed as weakER in conventional warfare than previously thought, Russia has not been affected in thermonuclear capacity one iota. As General Tim Cross has said putting our foot on the Russian neck and pressing down is not without risk. One ought not to imply that the worse things get for the Russians the less likely they are to do something stupid. It’s not that safe and simple. Sheriff seems to be forgetting Britain’s prime directive is to ensures the security of the UK The security of Ukraine is an incident, not an end, and the longer the war in Ukraine goes on and the worse Russia is doing the more chance of a miscalculation.

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
  51. @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    Why would we change our religion to suit others, are the Basque familiar with that?
    You proudly told of Basque women mounting Aryan steeds to preserve the native tongue.
    Would that lineage really enhance the Khalsa?

    https://twitter.com/kaljugi/status/1598006267095973888?s=20

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

    Replies: @Mikel

    Would that lineage really enhance the Khalsa?

    I don’t know what the Khalsa is so I can’t answer that question. I was just trying to find some commonality between us and offer a suggestion that would also improve your lifestyle. That has nothing to do with you mounting anybody at all but feel free to publish your wild fantasies for everybody to see lol

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5627465


    All I know about those distant events is that eventually our women made the fearsome invaders switch their language to our own and adopt our customs
     
    You're too much of a catholic bitch to even admit you were trying to offend.
    Literal sub-human trying to give advice.

    Here's a suggestion: https://speakmoroccan.com/

    Replies: @Mikel

  52. @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    Tracy Telligman (most often billed as "Tra" Telligman /ˈtreɪ/; born February 7, 1965) is a retired American mixed martial artist and boxer who has fought in the UFC, PRIDE, and Pancrase. He is also known for fighting despite having only one pectoralis major muscle.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tra_Telligman

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Wow. That’s impressive, Thanks.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    Once knew a guy who was born missing a rib. Think he said he had to wear some sort of pad on it, in certain situations, so his internal organs wouldn't get hurt. I was really surprised to hear him say it one day because he was a sort of star athlete, locally. I immediately asked him if he could move his arm normally, having only vague ideas about how the scapula worked, and he seemed to have no problem with it.

  53. Sher Singh says:
    @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    Would that lineage really enhance the Khalsa?
     
    I don't know what the Khalsa is so I can't answer that question. I was just trying to find some commonality between us and offer a suggestion that would also improve your lifestyle. That has nothing to do with you mounting anybody at all but feel free to publish your wild fantasies for everybody to see lol

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5627465

    All I know about those distant events is that eventually our women made the fearsome invaders switch their language to our own and adopt our customs

    You’re too much of a catholic bitch to even admit you were trying to offend.
    Literal sub-human trying to give advice.

    Here’s a suggestion: https://speakmoroccan.com/

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    you were trying to offend
     
    Not at all. I was trying to joke a little with you but apparently you have nothing but religious zealotry mixed with sexual imaginations in your mind. Sorry that my attempt at lighthearted humor upset you so much. I don't care what you do in your private life as long as you respect women outside of your community but if you don't want people to comment on your beliefs why do you exhibit them here uninvited once and again?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  54. @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    The Combat Arms does Yoga & strongman/powerlifting is also big on body mechanics.
    Sikhs do have private schools in BC but mostly public.


    As of the 2021 Census, more than half of Canada's Sikhs can be found in one of four cities: Brampton (163,260),[17] Surrey (154,415),[18] Calgary (49,465),[19] and Abbotsford (38,395).
     
    Metros aren't woke outside the Bohemian-Anglo core.
    Anglo Men, Catholic Women are old woke in Canada.
    Korean women are the new kid on HR block.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqukjOcY3ok
    Been doing this between sets due to a bicep/forearm imbalance.
    Forearm is too strong relatively,

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/wt9e6q/most_common_second_languages_in_toronto/

    Natives & blacks are the designated crybabies.
    Left & Right will air & weaponize their grievances.

    Chinese, German, Hindu & Pole all try to join the woke coalition, but can't.
    The first 2 are far too autistic, and latter bellyache way too much.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Body building gyms are fake and gay.

    This guy is the only guru any man could possibly need.

    The prime directive: if it hurts do something else.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Hmmm. No picture shows up for me. What did you post?

    By the way I agreed that the MMA fight that Bromance of Three Kingdoms posted last thread was pretty wild. That Korean was huge, were they putting growth hormone in his baby bottle?

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @showmethereal
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yeah I suspect they are passed down from Greek sports competition where the body was basically worshipped and men competed nakedly. Indeed there is a huge homo erotic vibe to those gyms. Most women aren’t even attracted to it - that’s a first sign.

  55. @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5627465


    All I know about those distant events is that eventually our women made the fearsome invaders switch their language to our own and adopt our customs
     
    You're too much of a catholic bitch to even admit you were trying to offend.
    Literal sub-human trying to give advice.

    Here's a suggestion: https://speakmoroccan.com/

    Replies: @Mikel

    you were trying to offend

    Not at all. I was trying to joke a little with you but apparently you have nothing but religious zealotry mixed with sexual imaginations in your mind. Sorry that my attempt at lighthearted humor upset you so much. I don’t care what you do in your private life as long as you respect women outside of your community but if you don’t want people to comment on your beliefs why do you exhibit them here uninvited once and again?

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    https://swarajyamag.com/news-headlines/zomato-delivery-agent-sagar-singh-stabbed-to-death-by-two-nihang-sikhs-over-smoking-in-delhis-tilak-nagar


    as long as you respect women outside of your community
     
    Or what? We know you won't do anything neither will your government.

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/convicted-somalian-rapist-attacked-two-084627605.html

    100 white women have been raped daily by blacks since 1950.

    At least you have your gastronomic society.
    Both feeling something in your belly.

    don’t want people to comment on your beliefs why do you exhibit them here uninvited once and again?

     

    I wasn't talking to you, stay in your fuckin lane.

    Humor? Here, let me turn you into jesus: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/04/jesus-gay-man-codices

    The European man spits game.
    The Aryan spits on his Lund. (before going in)

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  56. Sher Singh says:
    @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    you were trying to offend
     
    Not at all. I was trying to joke a little with you but apparently you have nothing but religious zealotry mixed with sexual imaginations in your mind. Sorry that my attempt at lighthearted humor upset you so much. I don't care what you do in your private life as long as you respect women outside of your community but if you don't want people to comment on your beliefs why do you exhibit them here uninvited once and again?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    https://swarajyamag.com/news-headlines/zomato-delivery-agent-sagar-singh-stabbed-to-death-by-two-nihang-sikhs-over-smoking-in-delhis-tilak-nagar

    as long as you respect women outside of your community

    Or what? We know you won’t do anything neither will your government.

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/convicted-somalian-rapist-attacked-two-084627605.html

    100 white women have been raped daily by blacks since 1950.

    At least you have your gastronomic society.
    Both feeling something in your belly.

    don’t want people to comment on your beliefs why do you exhibit them here uninvited once and again?

    I wasn’t talking to you, stay in your fuckin lane.

    Humor? Here, let me turn you into jesus: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/04/jesus-gay-man-codices

    The European man spits game.
    The Aryan spits on his Lund. (before going in)

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Troll: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    That Guardian article is just silly lib-British trolling. Certain people just want everyone historical to be aksually gay, I can't imagine why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Lead_Codices

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123, @Mikel

  57. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    Wow. That's impressive, Thanks.

    Replies: @songbird

    Once knew a guy who was born missing a rib. Think he said he had to wear some sort of pad on it, in certain situations, so his internal organs wouldn’t get hurt. I was really surprised to hear him say it one day because he was a sort of star athlete, locally. I immediately asked him if he could move his arm normally, having only vague ideas about how the scapula worked, and he seemed to have no problem with it.

  58. @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    https://swarajyamag.com/news-headlines/zomato-delivery-agent-sagar-singh-stabbed-to-death-by-two-nihang-sikhs-over-smoking-in-delhis-tilak-nagar


    as long as you respect women outside of your community
     
    Or what? We know you won't do anything neither will your government.

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/convicted-somalian-rapist-attacked-two-084627605.html

    100 white women have been raped daily by blacks since 1950.

    At least you have your gastronomic society.
    Both feeling something in your belly.

    don’t want people to comment on your beliefs why do you exhibit them here uninvited once and again?

     

    I wasn't talking to you, stay in your fuckin lane.

    Humor? Here, let me turn you into jesus: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/04/jesus-gay-man-codices

    The European man spits game.
    The Aryan spits on his Lund. (before going in)

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    That Guardian article is just silly lib-British trolling. Certain people just want everyone historical to be aksually gay, I can’t imagine why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Lead_Codices

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    Point is he's so triggered by discussion on lifting & honor V mercantile culture he resorts to blasphemy.

    He's just uncomfortable with any religion (culture) outside western christianity, but doesn't attend church. That's the impression I get.

    Anyway, baby sitting Euro Aborigines ain't my job.

    https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/

    , @A123
    @Barbarossa

    Go for real history. Or, a close equivalent.

    Do you have a relative that is impossible to shop for? DIY 13th century mace head, less than $50 bucks. (1)



    https://d2r50eqdykdm5j.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/TC34_5_L.jpg
     

    This most unique of mace heads is cast in the form of a leering, sneering face – a terrible sight for an unfortunate combatant struck with such a mace! Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century. From Tod Cutler of the UK, this mace head is ready to be mounted onto your own wooden mace haft.
     
    I do not see the "sneering face", but I definitely would not want to be on the receiving end.

    🎄 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄
    ___________________________

    (1) https://www.kultofathena.com/product/tod-cutler-brass-mace-head-2-9th-to-19th-century-scandinavian-byzantine-rus/

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    , @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    That Guardian article is just silly lib-British trolling.
     
    The problem of suddenly feeling bored and starting an online quarrel is that it can easily go overboard with your opponent attacking the wrong targets and making a general stink for everyone. Apologies for that.

    Besides, I must confess that Sher is right. His dismissive comment against mercantile societies really made my blood boil. Though the real reason for my blasphemy was pure envy for his waist long dreadlocks and beautiful beard and mustache. Women must find them so irresistible.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  59. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    That Guardian article is just silly lib-British trolling. Certain people just want everyone historical to be aksually gay, I can't imagine why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Lead_Codices

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123, @Mikel

    Point is he’s so triggered by discussion on lifting & honor V mercantile culture he resorts to blasphemy.

    He’s just uncomfortable with any religion (culture) outside western christianity, but doesn’t attend church. That’s the impression I get.

    Anyway, baby sitting Euro Aborigines ain’t my job.

    https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/

  60. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Body building gyms are fake and gay.

    This guy is the only guru any man could possibly need.

    https://www.amazon.com/Functional-Training-Juan-Carlos-Santana/dp/1450414826

    The prime directive: if it hurts do something else.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @showmethereal

    Hmmm. No picture shows up for me. What did you post?

    By the way I agreed that the MMA fight that Bromance of Three Kingdoms posted last thread was pretty wild. That Korean was huge, were they putting growth hormone in his baby bottle?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    That Korean was huge, were they putting growth hormone in his baby bottle?
     
    Ever hear of this guy, who is a champion arm-wrestler because he was born with a freakishly large arm?

    https://youtu.be/ig9Ntzw2V7I

    I think he's interesting because a lot of these sports champions seem like genetic freaks, but with him it is not necessarily in the DNA.

    That Korean guy was about the size of Richard Kiel, who played the James Bond villain Jaws. Kiel suffered from gigantism. Met him once, when I was a kid. What I really remember was that his hands were really, really unbelievably large. He was also hard of hearing, which I wonder if it was some sort of symptom of his gigantism.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/26451399-functional-training

    The Amazon widget output does not go through Unz's input in some OS-browser combinations. I quit posting Amazon links for awhile altogether and I think I will go back to that.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  61. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    That Guardian article is just silly lib-British trolling. Certain people just want everyone historical to be aksually gay, I can't imagine why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Lead_Codices

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123, @Mikel

    Go for real history. Or, a close equivalent.

    Do you have a relative that is impossible to shop for? DIY 13th century mace head, less than $50 bucks. (1)


     

    This most unique of mace heads is cast in the form of a leering, sneering face – a terrible sight for an unfortunate combatant struck with such a mace! Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century. From Tod Cutler of the UK, this mace head is ready to be mounted onto your own wooden mace haft.

    I do not see the “sneering face”, but I definitely would not want to be on the receiving end.

    🎄 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄
    ___________________________

    (1) https://www.kultofathena.com/product/tod-cutler-brass-mace-head-2-9th-to-19th-century-scandinavian-byzantine-rus/

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @A123

    https://www.kultofathena.com/product/turkish-mace/

    I like this one.

    A good mace or warhammer is essential.

    I wanna get a proper Katar too.

    🙏⚔️

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @songbird
    @A123


    Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century.
     
    Is that AD? This wikipedia article says that bronze or copper maces were sometimes used in Europe in the Middle Ages, in places where iron was rare, which I found very surprising:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(bludgeon)#Western_Europe

    I thought that there was a lot of iron in Scandinavia. Or maybe not? According to my very superficial research, Sweden's big iron mine is pretty far north. But I would have thought there would have still been a lot of bog iron.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123

    , @Barbarossa
    @A123

    Hey, if any one wants to buy me anything for Christmas from Kult of Athena, I'm fine with that!

    I actually have bought a few items from them and they seem to have reliable quality. Even their lower end weapons are far from junk. There are great quantities of absolutely garbage "weapons" on the internet so I'm leery of buying anything from a non-verified source.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFgeZtkAb8

    Don't let that happen to you!

  62. @A123
    @Barbarossa

    Go for real history. Or, a close equivalent.

    Do you have a relative that is impossible to shop for? DIY 13th century mace head, less than $50 bucks. (1)



    https://d2r50eqdykdm5j.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/TC34_5_L.jpg
     

    This most unique of mace heads is cast in the form of a leering, sneering face – a terrible sight for an unfortunate combatant struck with such a mace! Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century. From Tod Cutler of the UK, this mace head is ready to be mounted onto your own wooden mace haft.
     
    I do not see the "sneering face", but I definitely would not want to be on the receiving end.

    🎄 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄
    ___________________________

    (1) https://www.kultofathena.com/product/tod-cutler-brass-mace-head-2-9th-to-19th-century-scandinavian-byzantine-rus/

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    https://www.kultofathena.com/product/turkish-mace/

    I like this one.

    A good mace or warhammer is essential.

    I wanna get a proper Katar too.

    🙏⚔️

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Fight porn.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/373454658266

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NpkAAOSwspZgIulC/s-l500.jpg

    Replies: @A123, @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

  63. @A123
    @Barbarossa

    Go for real history. Or, a close equivalent.

    Do you have a relative that is impossible to shop for? DIY 13th century mace head, less than $50 bucks. (1)



    https://d2r50eqdykdm5j.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/TC34_5_L.jpg
     

    This most unique of mace heads is cast in the form of a leering, sneering face – a terrible sight for an unfortunate combatant struck with such a mace! Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century. From Tod Cutler of the UK, this mace head is ready to be mounted onto your own wooden mace haft.
     
    I do not see the "sneering face", but I definitely would not want to be on the receiving end.

    🎄 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄
    ___________________________

    (1) https://www.kultofathena.com/product/tod-cutler-brass-mace-head-2-9th-to-19th-century-scandinavian-byzantine-rus/

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century.

    Is that AD? This wikipedia article says that bronze or copper maces were sometimes used in Europe in the Middle Ages, in places where iron was rare, which I found very surprising:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(bludgeon)#Western_Europe

    I thought that there was a lot of iron in Scandinavia. Or maybe not? According to my very superficial research, Sweden’s big iron mine is pretty far north. But I would have thought there would have still been a lot of bog iron.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Religious reasons like easier to engrave?
    Cheaper to make or both?
    Association with a certain Devta.

    @barbarossa The personal branding thing's best explanation I've seen is in a 90's nigger movie called baby boy.

    The nigger can't be violent because of the state nor rich enough to show off. So just be a sexual minstrel.

    Religion of love.

    , @A123
    @songbird

    For blades it was worth the cost & effort to upgrade to steel. For blunt weapons, if it deforms a bit on impact... Not really an issue.

    Iron and low quality steel rusts. Bronze does not, which is useful in the field.

    Not much detail, but this was dug up in Romania (1)

    https://siebenburgen.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/IMG_20190810_152045-1024x576.jpg

     
    On 10 August 2019, near Bistrita ( Bistritz) i found a bronze mace. Is made of bronze with gloves. Kept very well. Is from the 13 the century A.D. Medieval. I donated it to the local museum ” Complexul Muzeal Bistrita-Nasaud”

     

    The open tube construction looks "less cool" then a solid head. So why? It goes on much like an axe head over a thinner handle to the thicker shoulder. You can also recover the mace head easily if the haft breaks.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://siebenburgen.xyz/bronze-mace-from-the-13-the-century-a-d/

    Replies: @songbird

  64. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird
    @A123


    Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century.
     
    Is that AD? This wikipedia article says that bronze or copper maces were sometimes used in Europe in the Middle Ages, in places where iron was rare, which I found very surprising:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(bludgeon)#Western_Europe

    I thought that there was a lot of iron in Scandinavia. Or maybe not? According to my very superficial research, Sweden's big iron mine is pretty far north. But I would have thought there would have still been a lot of bog iron.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123

    Religious reasons like easier to engrave?
    Cheaper to make or both?
    Association with a certain Devta.

    @barbarossa The personal branding thing’s best explanation I’ve seen is in a 90’s nigger movie called baby boy.

    The nigger can’t be violent because of the state nor rich enough to show off. So just be a sexual minstrel.

    Religion of love.

  65. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Hmmm. No picture shows up for me. What did you post?

    By the way I agreed that the MMA fight that Bromance of Three Kingdoms posted last thread was pretty wild. That Korean was huge, were they putting growth hormone in his baby bottle?

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    That Korean was huge, were they putting growth hormone in his baby bottle?

    Ever hear of this guy, who is a champion arm-wrestler because he was born with a freakishly large arm?

    [MORE]

    I think he’s interesting because a lot of these sports champions seem like genetic freaks, but with him it is not necessarily in the DNA.

    That Korean guy was about the size of Richard Kiel, who played the James Bond villain Jaws. Kiel suffered from gigantism. Met him once, when I was a kid. What I really remember was that his hands were really, really unbelievably large. He was also hard of hearing, which I wonder if it was some sort of symptom of his gigantism.

  66. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Hmmm. No picture shows up for me. What did you post?

    By the way I agreed that the MMA fight that Bromance of Three Kingdoms posted last thread was pretty wild. That Korean was huge, were they putting growth hormone in his baby bottle?

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/26451399-functional-training

    The Amazon widget output does not go through Unz’s input in some OS-browser combinations. I quit posting Amazon links for awhile altogether and I think I will go back to that.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Is that an approach you've used and you've found useful?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  67. @songbird
    @A123


    Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century.
     
    Is that AD? This wikipedia article says that bronze or copper maces were sometimes used in Europe in the Middle Ages, in places where iron was rare, which I found very surprising:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(bludgeon)#Western_Europe

    I thought that there was a lot of iron in Scandinavia. Or maybe not? According to my very superficial research, Sweden's big iron mine is pretty far north. But I would have thought there would have still been a lot of bog iron.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123

    For blades it was worth the cost & effort to upgrade to steel. For blunt weapons, if it deforms a bit on impact… Not really an issue.

    Iron and low quality steel rusts. Bronze does not, which is useful in the field.

    Not much detail, but this was dug up in Romania (1)


     
    On 10 August 2019, near Bistrita ( Bistritz) i found a bronze mace. Is made of bronze with gloves. Kept very well. Is from the 13 the century A.D. Medieval. I donated it to the local museum ” Complexul Muzeal Bistrita-Nasaud”

    The open tube construction looks “less cool” then a solid head. So why? It goes on much like an axe head over a thinner handle to the thicker shoulder. You can also recover the mace head easily if the haft breaks.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://siebenburgen.xyz/bronze-mace-from-the-13-the-century-a-d/

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Thanks, that's an interesting pic.

    And @ Sher Singh


    For blades it was worth the cost & effort to upgrade to steel.
     
    Copper is soft, but I expect bronze is hard enough. I think the rarity of tin is the explanation for the changeover to iron.

    -Tin is 2 parts/million in the Earth's crust.
    -Iron is 50,000 parts/million.


    Iron and low quality steel rusts. Bronze does not, which is useful in the field.
     
    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don't think rust is an issue in blunt objects.

    Anyone have an opinion on those pricey Japanese kitchen knives some people get? Don't want to bias anyone's answer, but I sometimes wonder if it isn't some weird, degraded form of man's ancient instinct to worship weapons, but reduced to a kind of woman's form of worshiping kitchen implements.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

  68. @Sher Singh
    @A123

    https://www.kultofathena.com/product/turkish-mace/

    I like this one.

    A good mace or warhammer is essential.

    I wanna get a proper Katar too.

    🙏⚔️

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Challenge Accepted !

    Opinel #13.... It's a pocket knife folding sword.

    This is a real thing at $100.

    🎄 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xLkd61qew5g

    , @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ਖੰਡਾ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਸੈਸਾਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
    kha(n)ddaa pirathamai saaj kai jin sabh saisaar upaiaa ||
    At first the Lord created the Khanda (double-edged sword) and then the whole world.

    ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਬਣਾਇਆ ॥
    Barhamaa Bisanu Mahesa Saaji Kudarti Daa Khelu Banaaeiaa ॥
    Created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and the play of Nature.

    ਸਿੰਧੁ ਪਰਬਤ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਥੰਮਾ ਗਗਨ ਰਹਾਇਆ ॥
    Siaandhu Parbata Medanee Binu Thaanmaa Gagan Rahaaeiaa ॥
    The oceans, mountains and the earth, made the sky stable without columns.


    ਸਿਰਜੇ ਦਾਨੋ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਦੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥
    Srije Daano Devate Tin Aandari Baadu Rachaaeiaa ॥
    He created the demons and gods and caused strife between them
     
    🙏⚔️



    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/661318913421869086/1008387352122630184/unknown.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/661318913421869086/1023631708333027338/C68rEbzWgAE4jG5.jpg

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ
    , @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I've seen their stuff on eBay and some of their stuff looks nice, but the "Damascus" shtick puts me off. I'm sure it's not actual laminated steel, and is probably just etched to look like it. If they are doing a goofy thing like that it makes me question the overall quality.

    Attempts to make "Damascus" steel are usually just inferior anyhow compared to modern steels since it introduces failure points into the steel.

    I own a bunch of pre- Bessemer process chisels which are laminated steel and if they fail anywhere it's right at the lamination.

    Replies: @A123

  69. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Fight porn.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/373454658266

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NpkAAOSwspZgIulC/s-l500.jpg

    Replies: @A123, @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    Challenge Accepted !

    Opinel #13…. It’s a pocket knife folding sword.

    This is a real thing at $100.

    🎄 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄

  70. Sher Singh says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Fight porn.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/373454658266

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NpkAAOSwspZgIulC/s-l500.jpg

    Replies: @A123, @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    ਖੰਡਾ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਸੈਸਾਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
    kha(n)ddaa pirathamai saaj kai jin sabh saisaar upaiaa ||
    At first the Lord created the Khanda (double-edged sword) and then the whole world.

    ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਬਣਾਇਆ ॥
    Barhamaa Bisanu Mahesa Saaji Kudarti Daa Khelu Banaaeiaa ॥
    Created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and the play of Nature.

    ਸਿੰਧੁ ਪਰਬਤ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਥੰਮਾ ਗਗਨ ਰਹਾਇਆ ॥
    Siaandhu Parbata Medanee Binu Thaanmaa Gagan Rahaaeiaa ॥
    The oceans, mountains and the earth, made the sky stable without columns.

    ਸਿਰਜੇ ਦਾਨੋ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਦੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥
    Srije Daano Devate Tin Aandari Baadu Rachaaeiaa ॥
    He created the demons and gods and caused strife between them

    🙏⚔️

    [MORE]

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  71. @A123
    @songbird

    For blades it was worth the cost & effort to upgrade to steel. For blunt weapons, if it deforms a bit on impact... Not really an issue.

    Iron and low quality steel rusts. Bronze does not, which is useful in the field.

    Not much detail, but this was dug up in Romania (1)

    https://siebenburgen.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/IMG_20190810_152045-1024x576.jpg

     
    On 10 August 2019, near Bistrita ( Bistritz) i found a bronze mace. Is made of bronze with gloves. Kept very well. Is from the 13 the century A.D. Medieval. I donated it to the local museum ” Complexul Muzeal Bistrita-Nasaud”

     

    The open tube construction looks "less cool" then a solid head. So why? It goes on much like an axe head over a thinner handle to the thicker shoulder. You can also recover the mace head easily if the haft breaks.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://siebenburgen.xyz/bronze-mace-from-the-13-the-century-a-d/

    Replies: @songbird

    Thanks, that’s an interesting pic.

    And @ Sher Singh

    For blades it was worth the cost & effort to upgrade to steel.

    Copper is soft, but I expect bronze is hard enough. I think the rarity of tin is the explanation for the changeover to iron.

    -Tin is 2 parts/million in the Earth’s crust.
    -Iron is 50,000 parts/million.

    Iron and low quality steel rusts. Bronze does not, which is useful in the field.

    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don’t think rust is an issue in blunt objects.

    Anyone have an opinion on those pricey Japanese kitchen knives some people get? Don’t want to bias anyone’s answer, but I sometimes wonder if it isn’t some weird, degraded form of man’s ancient instinct to worship weapons, but reduced to a kind of woman’s form of worshiping kitchen implements.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    https://www.indianclubs.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Hanuman-01.jpg

    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/salotar-mehima-in-praise-of-the-club

    Looks like Sikh-led party won't back trudeau gun ban.
    They managed to get the dental care expansion, election in Spring.

    , @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    A brass hammer packs an incredible punch compared to a steel hammer, so the increased density+smaller cross section would have increased the deadliness quite a bit.

    I've never bought fancy Jap kitchen knives. I'm sure they are top notch, like most good Japanese blades. I don't buy Japanese woodworking tools either for the most part. They are great quality but they are too fussy to care for. One guy in the shop goes for Japanese hand tools and complains that if he chips his chisel badly it takes him an hour to sharpen it out. On my 100 year old US chisels I can put a fresh edge back on in 5 or 10 minutes. As long as he fusses with his chisel on his his own time I don't care, but I don't have hours in the day to baby fussy tools!

    For kitchen knives I keep an eye out at yard sales and pick up every old carbon steel kitchen knife I can find. They take a good edge and can be had for a buck or two. People don't like them since they aren't shiny like junk stainless steel.

    Replies: @songbird

  72. Elena Evdokimova
    @elenaevdokimov7
    Religious component of the ethnocide of Russian minority in Ukraine, conducted by Zelensky government.
    Zelensky announced measures aimed at banning Orthodox Church in Ukraine for the presence of church-canonical connection with the Moscow Patriarchate.

    [MORE]

  73. @songbird
    @A123

    Thanks, that's an interesting pic.

    And @ Sher Singh


    For blades it was worth the cost & effort to upgrade to steel.
     
    Copper is soft, but I expect bronze is hard enough. I think the rarity of tin is the explanation for the changeover to iron.

    -Tin is 2 parts/million in the Earth's crust.
    -Iron is 50,000 parts/million.


    Iron and low quality steel rusts. Bronze does not, which is useful in the field.
     
    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don't think rust is an issue in blunt objects.

    Anyone have an opinion on those pricey Japanese kitchen knives some people get? Don't want to bias anyone's answer, but I sometimes wonder if it isn't some weird, degraded form of man's ancient instinct to worship weapons, but reduced to a kind of woman's form of worshiping kitchen implements.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/salotar-mehima-in-praise-of-the-club

    Looks like Sikh-led party won’t back trudeau gun ban.
    They managed to get the dental care expansion, election in Spring.

  74. @Yahya
    The German juggernaut is down and out. Damn.

    Japan proving to be a dark horse. Defeating Spain and Germany. Impressive. I’ll be rooting for them for the rest of the tournament.

    Interesting World Cup. I take back my snide remarks about football watching.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Germany have been poor for a while, aside from the keeper no really world class players, surprising how many weak teams there are. Spain, France, England and Brazil the strongest.

    Japan are fun to watch, thought they blew it with the loss to Costa Rica, hope they keep going.

    One of my pet hates is how the information wars have politicised tournaments, been a good one so far, despite the usual media kvetching.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @LondonBob

    The only thing more surprising about Germany’s recent decline is that of Italy. Even though they won the Euro recently - failing to even qualify twice for the WC is a blight. I’m wondering if it’s because of the drop in population and I creae in age of society - there is just a smaller pool of talent…

    Replies: @Beckow

  75. @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    radio traffic from the ‘Ukrainian’ side is almost all Polish, English etc.
     
    So, Polish army will get beaten even w/o their country officially entering the war. English-speaking scum is most likely mercenaries: there are no rumors of any English-speaking country being stupid enough to send its regular troops to Ukraine.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @showmethereal

    True but the “former” US and British and Canadian military who went there are mercenaries I would guess were paid out of some “black funds” from some intelligence services.

  76. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh


    Posting a fitness video is subtly trying to say I’m the most fit
     
    That is the strange dynamic of social media culture. It's perverse for people to constantly branding themselves. It's peak capitalism at it's finest.

    I like in a rural area and it's quite red and Trumpy. I find some of that to be obnoxious in all honesty as a lot of it is powered by knee-jerk Republican programming. People are only starting to get that corporate America or the surveillance state is their enemy now that it has turned Woke/ controlled by Biden. They are the same people who enthusiastically built it brick by brick in the W. Bush years.

    However nice it is to imagine that the social accommodation that seemed plausible in the 90's is a realistic possibility, I think that it is not. Increasingly it seems like we'll be facing an inevitable choice between an authoritarian Right and a totalitarian Left (if we even have a choice), as I think the general populace is too uneducated and lazy to even make a stab at representative government of even degraded form.

    If that truly is the choice, than I would have to choose the group that might beat up gays over the group that believes in "Trans kids".

    Realistically though, I think it will ultimately be necessary to go underground a bit, and find ways to subvert the system. The Left has been very successful in their model and actual conservatives would do well to pay attention.

    A large part of that comes down to the kids. I see so many people in their 60's bitch and moan about younger people, but who raised them? They sure didn't spring ex nihilo from Saul Alinsky's head like Athena. If you don't raise kids with something compelling to believe in the void will be filled by others.

    Any conservative or dissident from the current order needs to make sure their ultimate goal is to live off one income and raise their kids themselves. Sending one's kids to public school is a losing game as the time spent in counter programming the negative values propounded all day makes it that much harder to find time to inculcate positive values.

    Out of curiousity, do the Sikhs in a place like Canada send their kids to the public school or do you have any your own institutions?

    Replies: @showmethereal

    I never understood the obsession with extreme weight lifting and body building. It doesn’t help in a fight. Plenty of bulky people get beat up by smaller people who have good technique for hitting. All that bulk doesn’t extend life either…. Strength training does (of course with good lifestyle and cardio…. But bulky muscles doesn’t do much unless someone is a lumber Jack….

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @showmethereal

    You just showed you know nothing about any 5 of those topics.

    fighting
    bodybuilding
    weightlifting
    strength training
    cardio training

    Good job.

    , @Mikel
    @showmethereal


    All that bulk doesn’t extend life either
     
    I wouldn't put it that way. You are possibly right that bodybuilding is not the best strategy for life extension purposes, even if you practice it clean, insofar it involves high consumption of animal protein. At least that's what some (but not all) longevity researchers say. But there are several important caveats:

    - Metabolism varies greatly between individuals and populations. It is difficult to give dietary advice that will work equally well (or at all) for everybody.

    - If these researchers are right, plant-based proteins with low contents of leucin and isoleucin would only have rather modest effects on cell protection and lifespan. At best, a few years in exchange for giving up the pleasure of animal protein.

    - The most important caveat, that relates directly to your statement, is that muscle bulk in itself does extend healthspan and lifespan. Muscle loss is one of the inevitable consequences of aging. It starts at around 30 years of age and becomes worse with each decade. As you age, this muscle loss starts to have increasingly important functional effects. Not only you become unable to do many things that you were able to do before but this progressive lack of activity has detrimental metabolic effects. It also prevents you from you doing vigorous aerobic exercise, that is the best known way to stay healthy, and increases frailty, which reduces lifespan. A hip or other bone fracture would not be a very life-changing event in your 20s but in your 70s-80s it may lead you to early death in a couple of years. The lack of muscle at those ages means that people may never recover from an accident like that. They become semi-paralyzed or bedridden, which increases muscle loss and lack of activity even more and greatly reduces life expectancy.

    The best way to prevent all of that is to maintain as much muscle as you can in your old age. This, in turn, is easier if you achieved good muscle size in your youth, when you really are able to generate good hypertrophy. Keeping or returning to a muscle mass that was already there is much easier than trying to generate that muscle at an old age, when metabolism, strength and joint health are all playing against you.

    I don't particularly like lifting weights at the gym, I much prefer strenuous exercise in nature, but it is what it is. Btw, a very little known fact is that muscle cells are the only cells that never develop cancer. It is not known why but scientists hope to apply their knowledge to the cure of cancer when they finally unravel the secret.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  77. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Body building gyms are fake and gay.

    This guy is the only guru any man could possibly need.

    https://www.amazon.com/Functional-Training-Juan-Carlos-Santana/dp/1450414826

    The prime directive: if it hurts do something else.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @showmethereal

    Yeah I suspect they are passed down from Greek sports competition where the body was basically worshipped and men competed nakedly. Indeed there is a huge homo erotic vibe to those gyms. Most women aren’t even attracted to it – that’s a first sign.

  78. @showmethereal
    @Barbarossa

    I never understood the obsession with extreme weight lifting and body building. It doesn’t help in a fight. Plenty of bulky people get beat up by smaller people who have good technique for hitting. All that bulk doesn’t extend life either…. Strength training does (of course with good lifestyle and cardio…. But bulky muscles doesn’t do much unless someone is a lumber Jack….

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mikel

    You just showed you know nothing about any 5 of those topics.

    fighting
    bodybuilding
    weightlifting
    strength training
    cardio training

    Good job.

    • Troll: showmethereal
  79. @A123
    @Barbarossa

    Go for real history. Or, a close equivalent.

    Do you have a relative that is impossible to shop for? DIY 13th century mace head, less than $50 bucks. (1)



    https://d2r50eqdykdm5j.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/TC34_5_L.jpg
     

    This most unique of mace heads is cast in the form of a leering, sneering face – a terrible sight for an unfortunate combatant struck with such a mace! Cast from solid bronze it is based on a Scandinavian original in the Bergen museum dated to the 13th – 14th century. From Tod Cutler of the UK, this mace head is ready to be mounted onto your own wooden mace haft.
     
    I do not see the "sneering face", but I definitely would not want to be on the receiving end.

    🎄 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄
    ___________________________

    (1) https://www.kultofathena.com/product/tod-cutler-brass-mace-head-2-9th-to-19th-century-scandinavian-byzantine-rus/

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Hey, if any one wants to buy me anything for Christmas from Kult of Athena, I’m fine with that!

    I actually have bought a few items from them and they seem to have reliable quality. Even their lower end weapons are far from junk. There are great quantities of absolutely garbage “weapons” on the internet so I’m leery of buying anything from a non-verified source.

    Don’t let that happen to you!

    • LOL: A123
  80. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    Fight porn.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/373454658266

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NpkAAOSwspZgIulC/s-l500.jpg

    Replies: @A123, @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    I’ve seen their stuff on eBay and some of their stuff looks nice, but the “Damascus” shtick puts me off. I’m sure it’s not actual laminated steel, and is probably just etched to look like it. If they are doing a goofy thing like that it makes me question the overall quality.

    Attempts to make “Damascus” steel are usually just inferior anyhow compared to modern steels since it introduces failure points into the steel.

    I own a bunch of pre- Bessemer process chisels which are laminated steel and if they fail anywhere it’s right at the lamination.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa


    Attempts to make “Damascus” steel are usually just inferior anyhow compared to modern steels since it introduces failure points into the steel.
     
    My understanding is that historic Damascus steel was better than its contemporary alternatives because they:

    • Imported low carbon iron from as far a way as India
    • Had the skill & tools to crucible at much higher temperature

    The higher temperature allowed more impurities to be removed. The watery finish is a byproduct of the maximum temperature and time to reach it. Perhaps the appearance was useful as pre-marketing branding. However, the craftsman of the time were actually trying to minimize this result.

    Most of the eBay "Damascus" items are likely pattern weld, hydro coated, or other surface treatment. Today's good quality, high carbon steels are vastly better and cheaper than the historic, but obsolete, Damascus process.


    @songbird

    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don’t think rust is an issue in blunt objects.
     

    Ultimately, steel did displace bronze and brass. However, they did overlap for quite some time. There are a number of theories about the replacement cycle:

    • The softer materials can be worked at lower temperatures, thus requiring less fuel.

    • Craft skills were trained in families, so if your father was a bronze/brass worker that is what you learned. Also, the 1st son would inherit the tools for working brass/bronze when the inevitable happened.

    • A rusty, low grade, iron mace head could have issues with cracks & brittleness. If the iron head separates from the haft... Congratulations! You are now wielding a stick. If your bronze pointy mace becomes somewhat spherical while beating on armored foes. You still have a weapon, not a stick.

    • Both you and Barbarossa have mentioned the higher density, force concentration. I concur. Bronze weapons with a pick or beak delivered devastating damage.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yahya, @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

  81. @songbird
    @A123

    Thanks, that's an interesting pic.

    And @ Sher Singh


    For blades it was worth the cost & effort to upgrade to steel.
     
    Copper is soft, but I expect bronze is hard enough. I think the rarity of tin is the explanation for the changeover to iron.

    -Tin is 2 parts/million in the Earth's crust.
    -Iron is 50,000 parts/million.


    Iron and low quality steel rusts. Bronze does not, which is useful in the field.
     
    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don't think rust is an issue in blunt objects.

    Anyone have an opinion on those pricey Japanese kitchen knives some people get? Don't want to bias anyone's answer, but I sometimes wonder if it isn't some weird, degraded form of man's ancient instinct to worship weapons, but reduced to a kind of woman's form of worshiping kitchen implements.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    A brass hammer packs an incredible punch compared to a steel hammer, so the increased density+smaller cross section would have increased the deadliness quite a bit.

    I’ve never bought fancy Jap kitchen knives. I’m sure they are top notch, like most good Japanese blades. I don’t buy Japanese woodworking tools either for the most part. They are great quality but they are too fussy to care for. One guy in the shop goes for Japanese hand tools and complains that if he chips his chisel badly it takes him an hour to sharpen it out. On my 100 year old US chisels I can put a fresh edge back on in 5 or 10 minutes. As long as he fusses with his chisel on his his own time I don’t care, but I don’t have hours in the day to baby fussy tools!

    For kitchen knives I keep an eye out at yard sales and pick up every old carbon steel kitchen knife I can find. They take a good edge and can be had for a buck or two. People don’t like them since they aren’t shiny like junk stainless steel.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    I’ve never bought fancy Jap kitchen knives. I’m sure they are top notch
     
    Don't know anything about the current brands that I've heard people allude to (and can't recall the exact names), but I get kind of suspicious because I remember the fake Japanese kitchen knife brand called "Ginsu." They were still a thing in the '90s. Don't remember it, but apparently the brand of choice for Lorena Bobbitt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginsu

    I'm wondering again about men and kitchen knives. Wish we had an anthropologist on here, but I'm thinking it may have been the men who always did the carving. All I recall is that women and children were usually given the junk parts or leftovers in many societies.
  82. About that EV future: (1)

    Switzerland Mulling Bans on Electric Car Use Amid Energy Shortages

    As a result of the ongoing energy crisis throughout Europe, Switzerland is considering a ban on the use of electric cars for non-essential purposes.

    Owners of Teslas, Volts, and other electric cars in Switzerland may soon find themselves taking the bus, with the country reportedly considering a partial ban on using EVs as part of a host of measures aimed at saving electricity.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/12/02/switzerland-mulling-bans-on-electric-car-use-amid-energy-shortages/

    • Replies: @Sean
    @A123

    One wonders whether Bitcoin mining being banned will come under consideration, and what that would do to the market price.

  83. German_reader says:

    German Bundestag has classified Holodomor as genocide (AfD and LINKE abstained):
    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestag-verurteilt-holodomor-als-voelkermord-a-3e37be56-6dbb-4cbd-93a1-f9b2b8b0c81f

    Mental, making this kind of fake history an official dogma in the politics of remembrance won’t lead to anything positive. They’ve taken leave of all good sense.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    They’ve taken leave of all good sense.
     
    That isn’t new. German “leaders” have taken leave of common sense way back in 2014. I’d say Western politicians have lost their minds, if I were sure they had something to lose.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    Why the misplaced pathos and weird histrionics? Raphael Lemkin, an expert in the field and actually the one who first coined the word "genocide" came to the conclusion that the holodomor was indeed a "classic" example of genocide:


    As long as Ukraine retains its national unity, as long as its people continue to think of themselves as Ukrainians and to seek independence, so long Ukraine poses a serious threat to the very heart of Sovietism. It is no wonder that the Communist leaders have attached the greatest importance to the Russification of this independent[-minded] member of their “Union of Republics [Sound familiar? Harken back to Putler's paper that he produced right before he decided to invade Ukraine] they have determined to remake it to fit their pattern of one Russian nation. For the Ukrainian is not and has never been, a Russian. His culture, his temperament, his language, his religion – all are different.


    "What I want to speak about is perhaps the classic example of Soviet genocide, its longest and broadest experiment in Russification – the destruction of the Ukrainian nation. […]...Ukraine is highly susceptible to racial murder by select parts and so the Communist tactics there have not followed the pattern taken by the German attacks against the Jews. The nation is too populous to be exterminated completely with any efficiency. However, its leadership, religious, intellectual, political, its select and determining parts, are quite small and therefore easily eliminated, and so it is upon these groups particularly that the full force of the Soviet axe has fallen, with its familiar tools of mass murder, deportation and forced labor, exile and starvation...Ukraine is highly susceptible to racial murder by select parts and so the Communist tactics there have not followed the pattern taken by the German attacks against the Jews. The nation is too populous to be exterminated completely with any efficiency. However, its leadership, religious, intellectual, political, its select and determining parts, are quite small and therefore easily eliminated, and so it is upon these groups particularly that the full force of the Soviet axe has fallen, with its familiar tools of mass murder, deportation and forced labor, exile and starvation.

    […] This is not simply a case of mass murder. It is a case of genocide, of destruction, not of individuals only, but of a culture and a nation. […] Soviet national unity is being created, not by any union of ideas and of cultures, but by the complete destruction of all cultures and of all ideas save one – the Soviet.

     

    There's more to Lemkin's indictment, including how the soviets systematically uprooted the farmer/peasant class too. There's too much to quote here, so read his whole excerpted denouncement here: http://www.holodomorsurvivors.ca/About%20Raphae%20Lemkin.html

    I think that Germany has made the correct choice here, joning many other countries that have made such a choice earlier on.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.

    Personally, I don't really see anything positive in promoting the idea that the potato famine in Ireland was a genocide. People promoting the idea never seem to talk about migration into Ireland. I prefer the Plantation 2.0 rhetoric, which seems more squarely directed at hostile foreigners and the corrupt regime. It even has the good point of making the modern regime seem more evil, by one measure, as they don't seem to plan on setting aside any land for the natives.

    Here is Justin Barrett, lead figure of the National Party: (admittedly a fringe party, with no elected pols).
    Money quote starts @ 4:50
    https://youtu.be/PiizgO-M4hM

    With the Armenians, the Turks are arguably more of an outgroup, and they certainly seem to be a negative political force in Europe, promoting migration and diversity. (Perhaps this is true of Armenians as well, but their numbers are smaller.) Though, OTOH, it seems to be true that Turkey is increasingly on the receiving end of migration, with it seemingly being facilitated by some level of domestic poz.

    Ukraine is interesting because it seems to have the greatest potential to upset WW2 as a sort of suicidal religion for Euros. Though, what I find disquieting is the tendency of certain EEs to conflate Soviet and Russian crimes. And this seems to have the potential to add to the weird racialism of progressives regarding Russians.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    German Bundestag has classified Holodomor as genocide
     
    I agree that is was stupid, but it wasn’t the first and won’t be the last stupid thing German politicians did. I saw the demo in Leipzig against the support of Ukraine (naturally, on one of the African news channels, as European news channels do not report politically incorrect news). The demo was after sunset. I was in Leipzig many times before, and remember it well. Total lack of street illumination struck me most. The only source of light were flashers of police cars. That’s direct result of the policies of German elites.

    There is Russian saying that you don’t bemoan the loss of your hair when your head is cut off.

    Replies: @German_reader

  84. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I've seen their stuff on eBay and some of their stuff looks nice, but the "Damascus" shtick puts me off. I'm sure it's not actual laminated steel, and is probably just etched to look like it. If they are doing a goofy thing like that it makes me question the overall quality.

    Attempts to make "Damascus" steel are usually just inferior anyhow compared to modern steels since it introduces failure points into the steel.

    I own a bunch of pre- Bessemer process chisels which are laminated steel and if they fail anywhere it's right at the lamination.

    Replies: @A123

    Attempts to make “Damascus” steel are usually just inferior anyhow compared to modern steels since it introduces failure points into the steel.

    My understanding is that historic Damascus steel was better than its contemporary alternatives because they:

    • Imported low carbon iron from as far a way as India
    • Had the skill & tools to crucible at much higher temperature

    The higher temperature allowed more impurities to be removed. The watery finish is a byproduct of the maximum temperature and time to reach it. Perhaps the appearance was useful as pre-marketing branding. However, the craftsman of the time were actually trying to minimize this result.

    Most of the eBay “Damascus” items are likely pattern weld, hydro coated, or other surface treatment. Today’s good quality, high carbon steels are vastly better and cheaper than the historic, but obsolete, Damascus process.

    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don’t think rust is an issue in blunt objects.

    Ultimately, steel did displace bronze and brass. However, they did overlap for quite some time. There are a number of theories about the replacement cycle:

    • The softer materials can be worked at lower temperatures, thus requiring less fuel.

    • Craft skills were trained in families, so if your father was a bronze/brass worker that is what you learned. Also, the 1st son would inherit the tools for working brass/bronze when the inevitable happened.

    • A rusty, low grade, iron mace head could have issues with cracks & brittleness. If the iron head separates from the haft… Congratulations! You are now wielding a stick. If your bronze pointy mace becomes somewhat spherical while beating on armored foes. You still have a weapon, not a stick.

    • Both you and Barbarossa have mentioned the higher density, force concentration. I concur. Bronze weapons with a pick or beak delivered devastating damage.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @A123

    Wow, an A123 post that is actually reliable and informative.

    The world is upside down.

    , @songbird
    @A123


    A rusty, low grade, iron mace head could have issues with cracks & brittleness. If the iron head separates from the haft… Congratulations! You are now wielding a stick.
     
    Next time they salt the roads, I'll be thinking about the head of my mace breaking off in someone's helmet in battle, rather than my muffler potentially falling off.

    Speaking of different alloys, I wonder how practical it would be to forge a mace that gave off gamma rays. Would it be an effective weapon to wield the against the Greens, or would half-life mean that it was extra-brittle?
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Long before that sword breaks on some Carthaginian armor the National Guard is going to show up in helicopter machine gun formation and spray everybody so it will suffice for any practical purpose. Did you see that British lady a couple years ago who shot her home invader with a crossbow?

  85. @LondonBob
    @Yahya

    Germany have been poor for a while, aside from the keeper no really world class players, surprising how many weak teams there are. Spain, France, England and Brazil the strongest.

    Japan are fun to watch, thought they blew it with the loss to Costa Rica, hope they keep going.

    One of my pet hates is how the information wars have politicised tournaments, been a good one so far, despite the usual media kvetching.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    The only thing more surprising about Germany’s recent decline is that of Italy. Even though they won the Euro recently – failing to even qualify twice for the WC is a blight. I’m wondering if it’s because of the drop in population and I creae in age of society – there is just a smaller pool of talent…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @showmethereal

    Yeah, the available pool is shrinking, both in absolute numbers and in talent-rich environments. One issue are small families. Genetically we need to go deep to have enough variety, with 1-2 kids that happens less. With multiple kids from the same parents the genetic variety is richer.

    With any animal species a boring progression of 1-2 offsprings, often after artificial pair-ups like in a Zoo, they will soon be at the edge of extinction. European societies have been like that for 1-2 generations, not enough variety is a downward spiral. There are also social negatives of not having siblings around - it may even suppress football talent.

    But my bet is still on Croatia :)...it is probably hopeless, but they have unique flair when they play well, this is their last chance.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  86. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    Attempts to make “Damascus” steel are usually just inferior anyhow compared to modern steels since it introduces failure points into the steel.
     
    My understanding is that historic Damascus steel was better than its contemporary alternatives because they:

    • Imported low carbon iron from as far a way as India
    • Had the skill & tools to crucible at much higher temperature

    The higher temperature allowed more impurities to be removed. The watery finish is a byproduct of the maximum temperature and time to reach it. Perhaps the appearance was useful as pre-marketing branding. However, the craftsman of the time were actually trying to minimize this result.

    Most of the eBay "Damascus" items are likely pattern weld, hydro coated, or other surface treatment. Today's good quality, high carbon steels are vastly better and cheaper than the historic, but obsolete, Damascus process.


    @songbird

    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don’t think rust is an issue in blunt objects.
     

    Ultimately, steel did displace bronze and brass. However, they did overlap for quite some time. There are a number of theories about the replacement cycle:

    • The softer materials can be worked at lower temperatures, thus requiring less fuel.

    • Craft skills were trained in families, so if your father was a bronze/brass worker that is what you learned. Also, the 1st son would inherit the tools for working brass/bronze when the inevitable happened.

    • A rusty, low grade, iron mace head could have issues with cracks & brittleness. If the iron head separates from the haft... Congratulations! You are now wielding a stick. If your bronze pointy mace becomes somewhat spherical while beating on armored foes. You still have a weapon, not a stick.

    • Both you and Barbarossa have mentioned the higher density, force concentration. I concur. Bronze weapons with a pick or beak delivered devastating damage.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yahya, @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Wow, an A123 post that is actually reliable and informative.

    The world is upside down.

  87. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    A brass hammer packs an incredible punch compared to a steel hammer, so the increased density+smaller cross section would have increased the deadliness quite a bit.

    I've never bought fancy Jap kitchen knives. I'm sure they are top notch, like most good Japanese blades. I don't buy Japanese woodworking tools either for the most part. They are great quality but they are too fussy to care for. One guy in the shop goes for Japanese hand tools and complains that if he chips his chisel badly it takes him an hour to sharpen it out. On my 100 year old US chisels I can put a fresh edge back on in 5 or 10 minutes. As long as he fusses with his chisel on his his own time I don't care, but I don't have hours in the day to baby fussy tools!

    For kitchen knives I keep an eye out at yard sales and pick up every old carbon steel kitchen knife I can find. They take a good edge and can be had for a buck or two. People don't like them since they aren't shiny like junk stainless steel.

    Replies: @songbird

    I’ve never bought fancy Jap kitchen knives. I’m sure they are top notch

    Don’t know anything about the current brands that I’ve heard people allude to (and can’t recall the exact names), but I get kind of suspicious because I remember the fake Japanese kitchen knife brand called “Ginsu.” They were still a thing in the ’90s. Don’t remember it, but apparently the brand of choice for Lorena Bobbitt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginsu

    I’m wondering again about men and kitchen knives. Wish we had an anthropologist on here, but I’m thinking it may have been the men who always did the carving. All I recall is that women and children were usually given the junk parts or leftovers in many societies.

  88. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    That Guardian article is just silly lib-British trolling. Certain people just want everyone historical to be aksually gay, I can't imagine why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Lead_Codices

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123, @Mikel

    That Guardian article is just silly lib-British trolling.

    The problem of suddenly feeling bored and starting an online quarrel is that it can easily go overboard with your opponent attacking the wrong targets and making a general stink for everyone. Apologies for that.

    Besides, I must confess that Sher is right. His dismissive comment against mercantile societies really made my blood boil. Though the real reason for my blasphemy was pure envy for his waist long dreadlocks and beautiful beard and mustache. Women must find them so irresistible.

    • LOL: Yahya, Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mikel


    ਯਾਂਤੇ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੁਨੀਅਹਿ । ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿਬੇ ਉਤੱਮ ਗੁਨੀਅਹਿ ।
    The Guru then said to his Sikhs, "All of the Khalsa listen [to this directive], carrying weapons is the highest action.

    ਜਬਿ ਹਮਰੇ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਕੋ ਆਵਹੁ । ਬਨਿ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਤਨ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਜਾਵਹੁ ।।੭।।
    When you come to have my Darshan, adorn your body with weapons.

    ਕਮਰ ਕਸਾ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਦਿਖਾਈ । ਹਮਰੀ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਹੋਇ ਅਧਿਕਾਈ ।
    When showing yourself to me have your Kamar Kasa [waist band which holds weapons] tied, in such a way I shall be extremely happy.

    ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਕੇਸ ਬਿਨ ਪਾਉ ਲਖਹੁ ਨਰ । ਕੇਸ ਧਰੇ ਤਬਿ ਆਧੋ ਲਖਿ ਉਰ ।।੮।।
    Those men who do not have Kesh [unshorn hair] or Shastars [weapons], do not recognize those men as full men. Those who have Kesh [unshorn hair], recognize those as half-men.

    ਕੇਸ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਜਬਿ ਦੋਨਹੁਂ ਧਾਰੇ । ਤਬਿ ਨਰੁ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਤਿ ਹੈ ਸਾਰੇ ।
    Those who have adorned themselves with Kesh [unshorn hair] and Shastar [weapons], those men have attained their full form."
     
    All the Dharmic faiths & Zoroastrians ultimately come from Panjab.

    The basque are slaves, No Aryan cuts his hair - look at the Gods.
    Would killing your son in front of you get the message across?

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

    Replies: @Mikel

  89. @showmethereal
    @LondonBob

    The only thing more surprising about Germany’s recent decline is that of Italy. Even though they won the Euro recently - failing to even qualify twice for the WC is a blight. I’m wondering if it’s because of the drop in population and I creae in age of society - there is just a smaller pool of talent…

    Replies: @Beckow

    Yeah, the available pool is shrinking, both in absolute numbers and in talent-rich environments. One issue are small families. Genetically we need to go deep to have enough variety, with 1-2 kids that happens less. With multiple kids from the same parents the genetic variety is richer.

    With any animal species a boring progression of 1-2 offsprings, often after artificial pair-ups like in a Zoo, they will soon be at the edge of extinction. European societies have been like that for 1-2 generations, not enough variety is a downward spiral. There are also social negatives of not having siblings around – it may even suppress football talent.

    But my bet is still on Croatia :)…it is probably hopeless, but they have unique flair when they play well, this is their last chance.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Beckow

    Mostly agreed - but I don't understand what you mean by "in talent-rich environments".... Do you mean in Italy that youth football is not as well funded?

    And yes what you say socially about small families is true all around. East Asia is just like Europe in that regard now (South Korea and Japan have the lowest birth rates in the world). South East Asia is headed that way (Singapore is second after South Korea in birth rate). Even South America birth rates are falling. Yes children who don't grow up with siblings has a lot of implications. Grandparents with few grand children is bad socially as well.

  90. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    Attempts to make “Damascus” steel are usually just inferior anyhow compared to modern steels since it introduces failure points into the steel.
     
    My understanding is that historic Damascus steel was better than its contemporary alternatives because they:

    • Imported low carbon iron from as far a way as India
    • Had the skill & tools to crucible at much higher temperature

    The higher temperature allowed more impurities to be removed. The watery finish is a byproduct of the maximum temperature and time to reach it. Perhaps the appearance was useful as pre-marketing branding. However, the craftsman of the time were actually trying to minimize this result.

    Most of the eBay "Damascus" items are likely pattern weld, hydro coated, or other surface treatment. Today's good quality, high carbon steels are vastly better and cheaper than the historic, but obsolete, Damascus process.


    @songbird

    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don’t think rust is an issue in blunt objects.
     

    Ultimately, steel did displace bronze and brass. However, they did overlap for quite some time. There are a number of theories about the replacement cycle:

    • The softer materials can be worked at lower temperatures, thus requiring less fuel.

    • Craft skills were trained in families, so if your father was a bronze/brass worker that is what you learned. Also, the 1st son would inherit the tools for working brass/bronze when the inevitable happened.

    • A rusty, low grade, iron mace head could have issues with cracks & brittleness. If the iron head separates from the haft... Congratulations! You are now wielding a stick. If your bronze pointy mace becomes somewhat spherical while beating on armored foes. You still have a weapon, not a stick.

    • Both you and Barbarossa have mentioned the higher density, force concentration. I concur. Bronze weapons with a pick or beak delivered devastating damage.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yahya, @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    A rusty, low grade, iron mace head could have issues with cracks & brittleness. If the iron head separates from the haft… Congratulations! You are now wielding a stick.

    Next time they salt the roads, I’ll be thinking about the head of my mace breaking off in someone’s helmet in battle, rather than my muffler potentially falling off.

    Speaking of different alloys, I wonder how practical it would be to forge a mace that gave off gamma rays. Would it be an effective weapon to wield the against the Greens, or would half-life mean that it was extra-brittle?

  91. @German_reader
    German Bundestag has classified Holodomor as genocide (AfD and LINKE abstained):
    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestag-verurteilt-holodomor-als-voelkermord-a-3e37be56-6dbb-4cbd-93a1-f9b2b8b0c81f

    Mental, making this kind of fake history an official dogma in the politics of remembrance won't lead to anything positive. They've taken leave of all good sense.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    They’ve taken leave of all good sense.

    That isn’t new. German “leaders” have taken leave of common sense way back in 2014. I’d say Western politicians have lost their minds, if I were sure they had something to lose.

  92. @German_reader
    German Bundestag has classified Holodomor as genocide (AfD and LINKE abstained):
    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestag-verurteilt-holodomor-als-voelkermord-a-3e37be56-6dbb-4cbd-93a1-f9b2b8b0c81f

    Mental, making this kind of fake history an official dogma in the politics of remembrance won't lead to anything positive. They've taken leave of all good sense.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    Why the misplaced pathos and weird histrionics? Raphael Lemkin, an expert in the field and actually the one who first coined the word “genocide” came to the conclusion that the holodomor was indeed a “classic” example of genocide:

    As long as Ukraine retains its national unity, as long as its people continue to think of themselves as Ukrainians and to seek independence, so long Ukraine poses a serious threat to the very heart of Sovietism. It is no wonder that the Communist leaders have attached the greatest importance to the Russification of this independent[-minded] member of their “Union of Republics [Sound familiar? Harken back to Putler’s paper that he produced right before he decided to invade Ukraine] they have determined to remake it to fit their pattern of one Russian nation. For the Ukrainian is not and has never been, a Russian. His culture, his temperament, his language, his religion – all are different.

    “What I want to speak about is perhaps the classic example of Soviet genocide, its longest and broadest experiment in Russification – the destruction of the Ukrainian nation. […]…Ukraine is highly susceptible to racial murder by select parts and so the Communist tactics there have not followed the pattern taken by the German attacks against the Jews. The nation is too populous to be exterminated completely with any efficiency. However, its leadership, religious, intellectual, political, its select and determining parts, are quite small and therefore easily eliminated, and so it is upon these groups particularly that the full force of the Soviet axe has fallen, with its familiar tools of mass murder, deportation and forced labor, exile and starvation…Ukraine is highly susceptible to racial murder by select parts and so the Communist tactics there have not followed the pattern taken by the German attacks against the Jews. The nation is too populous to be exterminated completely with any efficiency. However, its leadership, religious, intellectual, political, its select and determining parts, are quite small and therefore easily eliminated, and so it is upon these groups particularly that the full force of the Soviet axe has fallen, with its familiar tools of mass murder, deportation and forced labor, exile and starvation.

    […] This is not simply a case of mass murder. It is a case of genocide, of destruction, not of individuals only, but of a culture and a nation. […] Soviet national unity is being created, not by any union of ideas and of cultures, but by the complete destruction of all cultures and of all ideas save one – the Soviet.

    There’s more to Lemkin’s indictment, including how the soviets systematically uprooted the farmer/peasant class too. There’s too much to quote here, so read his whole excerpted denouncement here: http://www.holodomorsurvivors.ca/About%20Raphae%20Lemkin.html

    I think that Germany has made the correct choice here, joning many other countries that have made such a choice earlier on.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    I think that Germany has made the correct choice here, joning many other countries that have made such a choice earlier on.
     
    Nah, they haven't. Even if you think it was a genocide (and that raises the question "what is a genocide?", iirc Lemkin's original definition was more extensive than what eventually prevailed and included extermination of political and social groups), a parliament has no business making such declarations. There's even a legal aspect, since recently laws in Germany were made even more restrictive than they already were regarding denial of war crimes and genocides. It was already dubious enough when it was applied to just the Holocaust, but that could be seen as a special case in Germany. If they're now going to apply similar standards to such politicised issues like the Holodomor, that will have a truly perverse effect on historical research, and they can hardly claim that they're more liberal in this regard than Russia's politics of history.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  93. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    Why the misplaced pathos and weird histrionics? Raphael Lemkin, an expert in the field and actually the one who first coined the word "genocide" came to the conclusion that the holodomor was indeed a "classic" example of genocide:


    As long as Ukraine retains its national unity, as long as its people continue to think of themselves as Ukrainians and to seek independence, so long Ukraine poses a serious threat to the very heart of Sovietism. It is no wonder that the Communist leaders have attached the greatest importance to the Russification of this independent[-minded] member of their “Union of Republics [Sound familiar? Harken back to Putler's paper that he produced right before he decided to invade Ukraine] they have determined to remake it to fit their pattern of one Russian nation. For the Ukrainian is not and has never been, a Russian. His culture, his temperament, his language, his religion – all are different.


    "What I want to speak about is perhaps the classic example of Soviet genocide, its longest and broadest experiment in Russification – the destruction of the Ukrainian nation. […]...Ukraine is highly susceptible to racial murder by select parts and so the Communist tactics there have not followed the pattern taken by the German attacks against the Jews. The nation is too populous to be exterminated completely with any efficiency. However, its leadership, religious, intellectual, political, its select and determining parts, are quite small and therefore easily eliminated, and so it is upon these groups particularly that the full force of the Soviet axe has fallen, with its familiar tools of mass murder, deportation and forced labor, exile and starvation...Ukraine is highly susceptible to racial murder by select parts and so the Communist tactics there have not followed the pattern taken by the German attacks against the Jews. The nation is too populous to be exterminated completely with any efficiency. However, its leadership, religious, intellectual, political, its select and determining parts, are quite small and therefore easily eliminated, and so it is upon these groups particularly that the full force of the Soviet axe has fallen, with its familiar tools of mass murder, deportation and forced labor, exile and starvation.

    […] This is not simply a case of mass murder. It is a case of genocide, of destruction, not of individuals only, but of a culture and a nation. […] Soviet national unity is being created, not by any union of ideas and of cultures, but by the complete destruction of all cultures and of all ideas save one – the Soviet.

     

    There's more to Lemkin's indictment, including how the soviets systematically uprooted the farmer/peasant class too. There's too much to quote here, so read his whole excerpted denouncement here: http://www.holodomorsurvivors.ca/About%20Raphae%20Lemkin.html

    I think that Germany has made the correct choice here, joning many other countries that have made such a choice earlier on.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I think that Germany has made the correct choice here, joning many other countries that have made such a choice earlier on.

    Nah, they haven’t. Even if you think it was a genocide (and that raises the question “what is a genocide?”, iirc Lemkin’s original definition was more extensive than what eventually prevailed and included extermination of political and social groups), a parliament has no business making such declarations. There’s even a legal aspect, since recently laws in Germany were made even more restrictive than they already were regarding denial of war crimes and genocides. It was already dubious enough when it was applied to just the Holocaust, but that could be seen as a special case in Germany. If they’re now going to apply similar standards to such politicised issues like the Holodomor, that will have a truly perverse effect on historical research, and they can hardly claim that they’re more liberal in this regard than Russia’s politics of history.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Lemkin’s original definition was more extensive than what eventually prevailed and included extermination of political and social groups),
     
    Indeed. And when you put together all of the social, religious and socio-economic groups together, there can really be no other conclusion to make then that a real genocide had taken place.

    a parliament has no business making such declarations.
     
    Why not? Doesn't a parliament represent all of the different voices within a country and reflect the consensus opinion of important topics?

    If they’re now going to apply similar standards to such politicised issues like the Holodomor, that will have a truly perverse effect on historical research, and they can hardly claim that they’re more liberal in this regard than Russia’s politics of history.
     
    More liberal, or just more accurate in using historical information to come to important conclusions that bear heavily on how we are to govern and act so that similar tragedies don't take place in the future. More of such inquiry is needed not less, as you seem to be advocating. The German parliament made the correct choice.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

  94. @German_reader
    German Bundestag has classified Holodomor as genocide (AfD and LINKE abstained):
    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestag-verurteilt-holodomor-als-voelkermord-a-3e37be56-6dbb-4cbd-93a1-f9b2b8b0c81f

    Mental, making this kind of fake history an official dogma in the politics of remembrance won't lead to anything positive. They've taken leave of all good sense.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.

    [MORE]

    Personally, I don’t really see anything positive in promoting the idea that the potato famine in Ireland was a genocide. People promoting the idea never seem to talk about migration into Ireland. I prefer the Plantation 2.0 rhetoric, which seems more squarely directed at hostile foreigners and the corrupt regime. It even has the good point of making the modern regime seem more evil, by one measure, as they don’t seem to plan on setting aside any land for the natives.

    Here is Justin Barrett, lead figure of the National Party: (admittedly a fringe party, with no elected pols).
    Money quote starts @ 4:50

    With the Armenians, the Turks are arguably more of an outgroup, and they certainly seem to be a negative political force in Europe, promoting migration and diversity. (Perhaps this is true of Armenians as well, but their numbers are smaller.) Though, OTOH, it seems to be true that Turkey is increasingly on the receiving end of migration, with it seemingly being facilitated by some level of domestic poz.

    Ukraine is interesting because it seems to have the greatest potential to upset WW2 as a sort of suicidal religion for Euros. Though, what I find disquieting is the tendency of certain EEs to conflate Soviet and Russian crimes. And this seems to have the potential to add to the weird racialism of progressives regarding Russians.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.
     
    They're probably just going to reinforce it, the only difference will be that the Soviets (meaning Russians collectively) are also cast as villains, the Tim Snyder view of history. I've also noticed that the claims about German depravity seem to be getting more outlandish with increasing distance of time, there are now African and Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like "the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths", which just seems like a bizarrely inflated number, even if you count the entire Pacific war. The subtext is of course clear enough, there will be no absolution ever, and that history will be used by recent immigrants (without personal connection to WW2) as a weapon against ethnic Germans.
    Ireland's recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland's history.

    Replies: @songbird, @Yahya, @Barbarossa, @Matra

  95. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    I think that Germany has made the correct choice here, joning many other countries that have made such a choice earlier on.
     
    Nah, they haven't. Even if you think it was a genocide (and that raises the question "what is a genocide?", iirc Lemkin's original definition was more extensive than what eventually prevailed and included extermination of political and social groups), a parliament has no business making such declarations. There's even a legal aspect, since recently laws in Germany were made even more restrictive than they already were regarding denial of war crimes and genocides. It was already dubious enough when it was applied to just the Holocaust, but that could be seen as a special case in Germany. If they're now going to apply similar standards to such politicised issues like the Holodomor, that will have a truly perverse effect on historical research, and they can hardly claim that they're more liberal in this regard than Russia's politics of history.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Lemkin’s original definition was more extensive than what eventually prevailed and included extermination of political and social groups),

    Indeed. And when you put together all of the social, religious and socio-economic groups together, there can really be no other conclusion to make then that a real genocide had taken place.

    a parliament has no business making such declarations.

    Why not? Doesn’t a parliament represent all of the different voices within a country and reflect the consensus opinion of important topics?

    If they’re now going to apply similar standards to such politicised issues like the Holodomor, that will have a truly perverse effect on historical research, and they can hardly claim that they’re more liberal in this regard than Russia’s politics of history.

    More liberal, or just more accurate in using historical information to come to important conclusions that bear heavily on how we are to govern and act so that similar tragedies don’t take place in the future. More of such inquiry is needed not less, as you seem to be advocating. The German parliament made the correct choice.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    More of such inquiry is needed not less
     
    By historians, without the threat of legal action hanging over their heads, not by politicians (most of them fairly stupid) who are just following the whim of the moment. imo these politics of history are a really pernicious trend.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Doesn’t a parliament represent all of the different voices within a country and reflect the consensus opinion of important topics?
     
    Consensus is when everyone agrees.

    At best, I think parliamentary decisions represent the narrow majority of a narrow majority. Take 51%, and then all you need is 26% to control that - and perhaps you could reduce it again to 14%. But realistically probably often much less than that, as parties receive marching orders from special interests.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  96. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Lemkin’s original definition was more extensive than what eventually prevailed and included extermination of political and social groups),
     
    Indeed. And when you put together all of the social, religious and socio-economic groups together, there can really be no other conclusion to make then that a real genocide had taken place.

    a parliament has no business making such declarations.
     
    Why not? Doesn't a parliament represent all of the different voices within a country and reflect the consensus opinion of important topics?

    If they’re now going to apply similar standards to such politicised issues like the Holodomor, that will have a truly perverse effect on historical research, and they can hardly claim that they’re more liberal in this regard than Russia’s politics of history.
     
    More liberal, or just more accurate in using historical information to come to important conclusions that bear heavily on how we are to govern and act so that similar tragedies don't take place in the future. More of such inquiry is needed not less, as you seem to be advocating. The German parliament made the correct choice.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    More of such inquiry is needed not less

    By historians, without the threat of legal action hanging over their heads, not by politicians (most of them fairly stupid) who are just following the whim of the moment. imo these politics of history are a really pernicious trend.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    More of such inquiry is needed not less

    By historians, without the threat of legal action hanging over their heads, not by politicians (most of them fairly stupid) who are just following the whim of the moment. imo these politics of history are a really pernicious trend.
     
    Agree. Though, I wasn't aware of any politicians writing papers or books on this topic?...
  97. @German_reader
    German Bundestag has classified Holodomor as genocide (AfD and LINKE abstained):
    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestag-verurteilt-holodomor-als-voelkermord-a-3e37be56-6dbb-4cbd-93a1-f9b2b8b0c81f

    Mental, making this kind of fake history an official dogma in the politics of remembrance won't lead to anything positive. They've taken leave of all good sense.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    German Bundestag has classified Holodomor as genocide

    I agree that is was stupid, but it wasn’t the first and won’t be the last stupid thing German politicians did. I saw the demo in Leipzig against the support of Ukraine (naturally, on one of the African news channels, as European news channels do not report politically incorrect news). The demo was after sunset. I was in Leipzig many times before, and remember it well. Total lack of street illumination struck me most. The only source of light were flashers of police cars. That’s direct result of the policies of German elites.

    There is Russian saying that you don’t bemoan the loss of your hair when your head is cut off.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    Total lack of street illumination struck me most.
     
    At my place of work they now have signs on the inside of the doors to restrooms reminding people "Save energy, switch off the light when leaving", lol.
    Your schadenfreude about this isn't all that nice a character trait though.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  98. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Lemkin’s original definition was more extensive than what eventually prevailed and included extermination of political and social groups),
     
    Indeed. And when you put together all of the social, religious and socio-economic groups together, there can really be no other conclusion to make then that a real genocide had taken place.

    a parliament has no business making such declarations.
     
    Why not? Doesn't a parliament represent all of the different voices within a country and reflect the consensus opinion of important topics?

    If they’re now going to apply similar standards to such politicised issues like the Holodomor, that will have a truly perverse effect on historical research, and they can hardly claim that they’re more liberal in this regard than Russia’s politics of history.
     
    More liberal, or just more accurate in using historical information to come to important conclusions that bear heavily on how we are to govern and act so that similar tragedies don't take place in the future. More of such inquiry is needed not less, as you seem to be advocating. The German parliament made the correct choice.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    Doesn’t a parliament represent all of the different voices within a country and reflect the consensus opinion of important topics?

    Consensus is when everyone agrees.

    At best, I think parliamentary decisions represent the narrow majority of a narrow majority. Take 51%, and then all you need is 26% to control that – and perhaps you could reduce it again to 14%. But realistically probably often much less than that, as parties receive marching orders from special interests.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    The most common definition for consensus was percent agreement (25 studies), with 75% being the median threshold to define consensus
     
    I wasn't able to locate any raw numbers on the vote, but did read that the far right and far left abstained from taking part in the vote. So it's quite likely that at least 75% of those that voted went along with classifying the holodomor as a genocide. Those parties that didn't take part in the vote did their supporters a disservice, as there was close to one week before the vote when the measure was first proposed and the day when the vote took place.

    I don't recall you being so pharasaic when the Russian parliament recently voted for the inclusion of Ukrainian territories into the RusFed? Nothing amiss with that vote??....

    Replies: @songbird, @songbird

  99. @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Officials like to get home early whether they do it themselves or through hired help. Remember that Antifa activities (broadly defined) are always supervised.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    The Poland scum “football” team reached new low depths against Argentina. Easily the footballing equivalent of a war crime – they were that bad, cowardly and useless but still cheated getting through to next stage.

    Switzerland are similarly negative and boring, just not anywhere near the same level of negative and boring. I am praying for Serbia to defeat the organ-harvesters (kosovan connection)-Africans-Turks that make up the Switzerland team

    • LOL: German_reader
  100. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    German Bundestag has classified Holodomor as genocide
     
    I agree that is was stupid, but it wasn’t the first and won’t be the last stupid thing German politicians did. I saw the demo in Leipzig against the support of Ukraine (naturally, on one of the African news channels, as European news channels do not report politically incorrect news). The demo was after sunset. I was in Leipzig many times before, and remember it well. Total lack of street illumination struck me most. The only source of light were flashers of police cars. That’s direct result of the policies of German elites.

    There is Russian saying that you don’t bemoan the loss of your hair when your head is cut off.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Total lack of street illumination struck me most.

    At my place of work they now have signs on the inside of the doors to restrooms reminding people “Save energy, switch off the light when leaving”, lol.
    Your schadenfreude about this isn’t all that nice a character trait though.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Your schadenfreude about this isn’t all that nice a character trait though.
     
    Tell you the truth, I don’t feel schadenfreude towards Europe any more. I feel pity. Europe was a nice place to go for a vacation, but now I won’t go there again. The world is big, I switched to Asia, Latin America, and Africa, where the governments and the people are sane.

    I feel an even keener pity towards Leipzig. I collaborated with several labs there, and right now collaborate with two. The people I work with do not deserve what your politicians are doing to them. The empire lured Europe into a trap, and Europeans docilely walked into it, like retarded children. You don’t feel schadenfreude towards retards, only pity.
  101. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.

    Personally, I don't really see anything positive in promoting the idea that the potato famine in Ireland was a genocide. People promoting the idea never seem to talk about migration into Ireland. I prefer the Plantation 2.0 rhetoric, which seems more squarely directed at hostile foreigners and the corrupt regime. It even has the good point of making the modern regime seem more evil, by one measure, as they don't seem to plan on setting aside any land for the natives.

    Here is Justin Barrett, lead figure of the National Party: (admittedly a fringe party, with no elected pols).
    Money quote starts @ 4:50
    https://youtu.be/PiizgO-M4hM

    With the Armenians, the Turks are arguably more of an outgroup, and they certainly seem to be a negative political force in Europe, promoting migration and diversity. (Perhaps this is true of Armenians as well, but their numbers are smaller.) Though, OTOH, it seems to be true that Turkey is increasingly on the receiving end of migration, with it seemingly being facilitated by some level of domestic poz.

    Ukraine is interesting because it seems to have the greatest potential to upset WW2 as a sort of suicidal religion for Euros. Though, what I find disquieting is the tendency of certain EEs to conflate Soviet and Russian crimes. And this seems to have the potential to add to the weird racialism of progressives regarding Russians.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.

    They’re probably just going to reinforce it, the only difference will be that the Soviets (meaning Russians collectively) are also cast as villains, the Tim Snyder view of history. I’ve also noticed that the claims about German depravity seem to be getting more outlandish with increasing distance of time, there are now African and Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like “the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths”, which just seems like a bizarrely inflated number, even if you count the entire Pacific war. The subtext is of course clear enough, there will be no absolution ever, and that history will be used by recent immigrants (without personal connection to WW2) as a weapon against ethnic Germans.
    Ireland’s recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    They’re probably just going to reinforce it
     
    This is quite possible. In a loose way, I would say that it has already happened with blacks in America and the UK. Of course, some of that insanity goes back quite a ways. But it seems like there has been some level of black memorialism, following Holocaust memorialism, as well as concerted attempts at narrative capture, following the previous narrative capture.

    I think Boston is actually a good example of this. It originally had something called the Freedom Trail about the Revolutionary War, that schoolkids were sent to. Now it has both a Holocaust memorial and black memorials, and the same people promoted both.

    The height of this is no doubt that Slavery Museum, which seems conceived by Blacula. They store jars of dirt there from every lynching of a black, whether he was a murderer and/or rapist (as many were). And the museum has baby memorials that it has given birth to, and which it holds, for placing on the site of all these lynchings.

    https://nieman.harvard.edu/stories/building-a-museum-with-jars-of-dirt-and-building-stories-from-the-ground-up/

    Ireland’s recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.
     
    Progressives everywhere in the West seem to have the same susceptibilities, and it is really disturbing to consider that there might not be any possibility of an immunization to the disease, based on national history or culture, but that it might be a combination of biology and environment, with little prospects of changing either.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Coconuts

    , @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like “the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths”,
     
    If Arab-German MPs are speaking that way regarding Nazi Germany, they have learnt to ape the Western liberals from whom they take their queues. It’s a sign of assimilation to their host society, if perhaps in a way you disapprove of. Very few in the Arab world speak that way, you’re probably more likely to hear positive references to the anti-Semitic regime if anything.

    On a somewhat related note, a few months ago I was talking to an acquaintance whose parents got her an internship with this Egyptian member of the Bundestag: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Radwan

    I remember laughing inside at the thought of this Egyptian girl, who lived all her life in Egypt and was culturally socialized as an Arab, serving a professional function in the German parliament (though she held German citizenship through her [ethnic] German father and had some Germanic facial features). She was pretty daft so she definitely got her internship through Middle Eastern-style personal connections, her father apparently is some sort of import/export merchant (read: arms dealer) with lots of connections; though she was fairly interesting and sociable, which is no doubt helpful in politics.

    Also I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across. Some website mentioned nearly 11% of German MPs were of immigrant background (either 1st or 2nd gen), though that was less than the 24% figure for Germany at large. I thought Arabs and Turks in Germany were a fairly apolitical and disorganized bunch. I saw comparatively fewer African and Asian names or faces when I was going through the list.

    Also saw this headline:

    All of Germany's Muslim MPs voted in favour of same-sex marriage

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-chancellor-germany-same-sex-marriage-vote-lgbt-muslim-mps-berlin-bundestag-cdu-sdp-green-party-cem-ozdemir-ekin-deligoz-ozcan-mutlu-omid-nouripour-cemile-giousouf-a7819391.html
     
    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts

    , @Barbarossa
    @German_reader


    pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.
     
    Ireland's history has nothing to do with it, which is rather the point. When people buy global multi-cult capitalism they have no history anymore. It's truly a break in the continuity and history is utterly irrelevant.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Dmitry

    , @Matra
    @German_reader

    The Irish Republican narrative that was developed during the 60s and 70s is based on anti-colonialism. They took the parts of the 1916 Rising that they liked but jettisoned the Catholicism and exclusive nationalism of the fallen. The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association, which protested supposed discrimination against Catholics eventually leading to the Troubles, was based on the black civil rights protests in the US. They even sang the same song, We Shall Overcome. IRA activist Bernadette Devlin preferred hanging round the leaders of the Black Panthers than Irish Americans during her fundraising trips. (Supposedly she gave the BPs some of the money raised for the IRA). No country was more hostile to Apartheid South Africa than Ireland and today they are probably the most hostile to Israel for anti-colonialist reasons. No Spanish football team can visit Ireland or Glasgow - big Irish community - without being greeted with Catalan and Basque independence flags as Sinn Fein claims Spain is a colonialist state. In 1990 on my first ever trip to the Republican stronghold the Falls Road in West Belfast I saw a huge wall mural dedicated to Nelson Mandela. Today there must be more George Floyd murals in Catholic parts of N Ireland than anywhere else in the world. It's not an exaggeration to say that Irish Republicans identify more with anti-colonial and anti-racist struggles around the world than with Europeans, hence that scene in The Commitments where the fan of black American music says the Irish are the blacks of Europe. This is a serious problem for genuine Irish nationalists who are protesting against migrants, mostly black Africans, as it means not only going up against the usual leftists but also the country's own nationalist narrative and self-image.

    BTW try getting a reasonably priced hotel room in Dublin these days as I've been trying to do this week. Over 30% of all rooms available in the Republic are occupied by migrants. The place I stayed in in 2019 is now over three times the price I paid then and it's fully booked for months in advance. Most of these migrants are men.

  102. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    Total lack of street illumination struck me most.
     
    At my place of work they now have signs on the inside of the doors to restrooms reminding people "Save energy, switch off the light when leaving", lol.
    Your schadenfreude about this isn't all that nice a character trait though.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Your schadenfreude about this isn’t all that nice a character trait though.

    Tell you the truth, I don’t feel schadenfreude towards Europe any more. I feel pity. Europe was a nice place to go for a vacation, but now I won’t go there again. The world is big, I switched to Asia, Latin America, and Africa, where the governments and the people are sane.

    I feel an even keener pity towards Leipzig. I collaborated with several labs there, and right now collaborate with two. The people I work with do not deserve what your politicians are doing to them. The empire lured Europe into a trap, and Europeans docilely walked into it, like retarded children. You don’t feel schadenfreude towards retards, only pity.

  103. German_reader says:

    The empire lured Europe into a trap, and Europeans docilely walked into it, like retarded children.

    I’m not sure to what extent there was a plan, but it’s certainly an interpretation that has a high likelihood of at least being partially true.
    Anyway, here’s something to increase your sense of pity for German retards:
    https://www.politico.eu/article/nord-stream-2-germany-bears-responsibility-for-ukraine-war-minister/
    So blowing up the Nordstream pipelines was presumably the right thing to do according to our minister of justice, haha…
    I can only assume that Scholz’s government already knows exactly who did it and that this is part of a preemptive attempt at narrative management.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I can only assume that Scholz’s government already knows exactly who did it and that this is part of a preemptive attempt at narrative management.
     
    Everybody with IQ greater than the shoe size knows who blew up NS1 and NS2. I mean, it’s like contractual murder: you may not know who actually pulled the trigger, but you do know who ordered it.

    However, I am not sure that an average IQ in Scholz government is greater than their shoe size (if we mean European, not American, sizes). As far as his “foreign minister” Baerbock is concerned, I am sure that her IQ is way lower, somewhere at the level of her boob size.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

  104. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Doesn’t a parliament represent all of the different voices within a country and reflect the consensus opinion of important topics?
     
    Consensus is when everyone agrees.

    At best, I think parliamentary decisions represent the narrow majority of a narrow majority. Take 51%, and then all you need is 26% to control that - and perhaps you could reduce it again to 14%. But realistically probably often much less than that, as parties receive marching orders from special interests.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The most common definition for consensus was percent agreement (25 studies), with 75% being the median threshold to define consensus

    I wasn’t able to locate any raw numbers on the vote, but did read that the far right and far left abstained from taking part in the vote. So it’s quite likely that at least 75% of those that voted went along with classifying the holodomor as a genocide. Those parties that didn’t take part in the vote did their supporters a disservice, as there was close to one week before the vote when the measure was first proposed and the day when the vote took place.

    I don’t recall you being so pharasaic when the Russian parliament recently voted for the inclusion of Ukrainian territories into the RusFed? Nothing amiss with that vote??….

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t recall you being so pharasaic when the Russian parliament recently voted for the inclusion of Ukrainian territories into the RusFed? Nothing amiss with that vote??
     
    I'm afraid you're misreading the tone of my comment.

    As I have said, I'm not sure how to feel about the promotion of the Holodomor. I see both negative and positive potentialities in it and am not sure which will manifest. I'm not sure if you have ever been to Germany, but I have observed some negative precedent about these types of narratives firsthand, and I think it's pretty fair to say now that the negative effects have a geographic scope extending far beyond Germany at this point. This is also a potentiality of any narrative about Ukraine.

    But I would say that I'm neutral about the result, at this stage. Who knows if it will really amount to anything? I wouldn't say that Ukrainians have the lobbying power of some other groups. At least not yet. Perhaps, that could change with the exodus?

    Though, I would agree with GR that I don't think it is something the Bundestag should have been focusing on. Really, Germany has quite a lot of its own problems, without politicians pretending to be historians or take up some external moral narrative.

    I imagine it is also quite possible that, in this case, the vote was broadly supported by the German public.

    Perhaps, I am being something of an autist, but what I do take issue with is what seems to be your idea that parliamentary votes always represent the general consensus of the populace. I also feel that your definition of consensus is a bit unseemly, like something coined by a political scientist, or group of them.
    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    This video clip from your favorite news service is not encouraging:

    https://youtu.be/_Z68txP3XCc

    Leads with "Russian" rather than "Soviet." A lot of terms employed seem designed to conflate: Kremlin, Moscow. Ends with a call to supply weapons and seemingly never compromise, in order to prevent another genocide.

    And, of course, the Green Party, a most evil group, seem to be leading the charge. Watching this may have changed my mind. Signs of good things coming from this are actually not looking very likely.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  105. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    More of such inquiry is needed not less
     
    By historians, without the threat of legal action hanging over their heads, not by politicians (most of them fairly stupid) who are just following the whim of the moment. imo these politics of history are a really pernicious trend.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    More of such inquiry is needed not less

    By historians, without the threat of legal action hanging over their heads, not by politicians (most of them fairly stupid) who are just following the whim of the moment. imo these politics of history are a really pernicious trend.

    Agree. Though, I wasn’t aware of any politicians writing papers or books on this topic?…

  106. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    Attempts to make “Damascus” steel are usually just inferior anyhow compared to modern steels since it introduces failure points into the steel.
     
    My understanding is that historic Damascus steel was better than its contemporary alternatives because they:

    • Imported low carbon iron from as far a way as India
    • Had the skill & tools to crucible at much higher temperature

    The higher temperature allowed more impurities to be removed. The watery finish is a byproduct of the maximum temperature and time to reach it. Perhaps the appearance was useful as pre-marketing branding. However, the craftsman of the time were actually trying to minimize this result.

    Most of the eBay "Damascus" items are likely pattern weld, hydro coated, or other surface treatment. Today's good quality, high carbon steels are vastly better and cheaper than the historic, but obsolete, Damascus process.


    @songbird

    Wrought iron is somewhat rust resistant. (were maces wrought?) But is less dense than bronze. Perhaps, this may have placed an advantage in bronze maces? I don’t think rust is an issue in blunt objects.
     

    Ultimately, steel did displace bronze and brass. However, they did overlap for quite some time. There are a number of theories about the replacement cycle:

    • The softer materials can be worked at lower temperatures, thus requiring less fuel.

    • Craft skills were trained in families, so if your father was a bronze/brass worker that is what you learned. Also, the 1st son would inherit the tools for working brass/bronze when the inevitable happened.

    • A rusty, low grade, iron mace head could have issues with cracks & brittleness. If the iron head separates from the haft... Congratulations! You are now wielding a stick. If your bronze pointy mace becomes somewhat spherical while beating on armored foes. You still have a weapon, not a stick.

    • Both you and Barbarossa have mentioned the higher density, force concentration. I concur. Bronze weapons with a pick or beak delivered devastating damage.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yahya, @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Long before that sword breaks on some Carthaginian armor the National Guard is going to show up in helicopter machine gun formation and spray everybody so it will suffice for any practical purpose. Did you see that British lady a couple years ago who shot her home invader with a crossbow?

  107. @German_reader

    The empire lured Europe into a trap, and Europeans docilely walked into it, like retarded children.
     
    I'm not sure to what extent there was a plan, but it's certainly an interpretation that has a high likelihood of at least being partially true.
    Anyway, here's something to increase your sense of pity for German retards:
    https://www.politico.eu/article/nord-stream-2-germany-bears-responsibility-for-ukraine-war-minister/
    So blowing up the Nordstream pipelines was presumably the right thing to do according to our minister of justice, haha...
    I can only assume that Scholz's government already knows exactly who did it and that this is part of a preemptive attempt at narrative management.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I can only assume that Scholz’s government already knows exactly who did it and that this is part of a preemptive attempt at narrative management.

    Everybody with IQ greater than the shoe size knows who blew up NS1 and NS2. I mean, it’s like contractual murder: you may not know who actually pulled the trigger, but you do know who ordered it.

    However, I am not sure that an average IQ in Scholz government is greater than their shoe size (if we mean European, not American, sizes). As far as his “foreign minister” Baerbock is concerned, I am sure that her IQ is way lower, somewhere at the level of her boob size.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Everybody with IQ greater than the shoe size knows who blew up NS1 and NS2. I mean, it’s like contractual murder: you may not know who actually pulled the trigger, but you do know who ordered it.
     
    The NS1 / NS2 destruction benefited one nation above all others -- POLAND.

    Thus, everyone with an IQ greater higher room temperature believes that the Poles ordered it without consulting any other nation. It might even be a group of Polish rogue officials or even private citizens. Only the Dimmest of the Dim would misallocate blame to the U.S.

    There is nothing technically complex about the mission, and the size of the ghost ships 100% exonerates the U.S. Navy. It was almost certainly sub-contracted to a commercial mercenary corporation that will be a investigation dead end, assuming they can every be identified.

    POLAND Acted Alone

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Baerbock is 85B, not bad for a short girl. She is not too smart but probably triple-digits on a good day. Her problem - and Scholz's - is that they got themselves way over their heads and it is escalating. Their natural response is to double down to keep some gravitas, but it will be very bad for Germany.

    Merkel should had forced Minsk on Kiev but she wasn't allowed to. What is going on is an inevitable consequence of the decision to get Nato into Ukraine. Germany is a marginal secondary player and it was decided above them. Merkel tried to slow down the march to war - and she did - but all else was preordained. The fault lies primarily with the two moron cults in Washington and London.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  108. @German_reader
    @songbird


    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.
     
    They're probably just going to reinforce it, the only difference will be that the Soviets (meaning Russians collectively) are also cast as villains, the Tim Snyder view of history. I've also noticed that the claims about German depravity seem to be getting more outlandish with increasing distance of time, there are now African and Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like "the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths", which just seems like a bizarrely inflated number, even if you count the entire Pacific war. The subtext is of course clear enough, there will be no absolution ever, and that history will be used by recent immigrants (without personal connection to WW2) as a weapon against ethnic Germans.
    Ireland's recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland's history.

    Replies: @songbird, @Yahya, @Barbarossa, @Matra

    They’re probably just going to reinforce it

    This is quite possible. In a loose way, I would say that it has already happened with blacks in America and the UK. Of course, some of that insanity goes back quite a ways. But it seems like there has been some level of black memorialism, following Holocaust memorialism

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    , as well as concerted attempts at narrative capture, following the previous narrative capture.

    I think Boston is actually a good example of this. It originally had something called the Freedom Trail about the Revolutionary War, that schoolkids were sent to. Now it has both a Holocaust memorial and black memorials, and the same people promoted both.

    The height of this is no doubt that Slavery Museum, which seems conceived by Blacula. They store jars of dirt there from every lynching of a black, whether he was a murderer and/or rapist (as many were). And the museum has baby memorials that it has given birth to, and which it holds, for placing on the site of all these lynchings.

    https://nieman.harvard.edu/stories/building-a-museum-with-jars-of-dirt-and-building-stories-from-the-ground-up/

    Ireland’s recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.

    Progressives everywhere in the West seem to have the same susceptibilities, and it is really disturbing to consider that there might not be any possibility of an immunization to the disease, based on national history or culture, but that it might be a combination of biology and environment, with little prospects of changing either.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird


    Now it has both a Holocaust memorial and black memorials, and the same people promoted both.
     
    However there seems to be such feeling that maybe might be called "competition of victims" which is bubbling quite deeply but strong under the surface - remembered reading a story from from a basketball star Ray Allen, who got a negative reactions from his own social media bubble because of the trip to Aushwitz in 2017:

    When I returned home to America, I got some very disheartening messages directed toward me on social media regarding my trip. Some people didn’t like the fact that I was going to Poland to raise awareness for the issues that happened there and not using that time or energy to support people in the black community.

    I was told my ancestors would be ashamed of me.

    I know there are trolls online and I shouldn’t even pay attention, but that one sort of got to me. Because I understood where they were coming from. I understand that there are plenty of issues in our own country right now, but they were looking at my trip the wrong way.
     

    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/ray-allen-why-i-went-to-auschwitz

    So I'm getting increasing feeling that currently all this Kanye, Fuentes and Trump dinner thing is absolutely calculated in advance and deliberate election tactics, because the gamble is being done on that victim competition feeling in order to reduce black voting percentage for Dems in the 2024, at the same also encouraging and reattracting those who were dissatisfied with all the de facto extreme MIGA agenda during Trump 2016-2020 tenure.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Progressives everywhere in the West seem to have the same susceptibilities, and it is really disturbing to consider that there might not be any possibility of an immunization to the disease, based on national history or culture, but that it might be a combination of biology and environment, with little prospects of changing either.
     
    It seems to have been predicted a long time ago. In France in the 1900s it was linked with democracy and the principles of 1789, but this often had some biological aspect. Democracy was linked with impotence, feminisation, sterility, depopulation, created to serve the interests of foreigners etc.

    This must be how Evola came up with what would have seemed like eccentric predictions linking democracy with hermaphroditism and negrification in the late 40s and early 50s.

    One powerful take I recently came across advocated an alliance between authoritarian monarchism and revolutionary syndicalism. The proletariat and the monarchy was supposed to unite to destroy the bourgeoisie and its civilisation (liberalism, democracy etc.) The book was made up of essays written in the 1900s and published just before the outbreak of WW1.

    It's looking more like there was some truth in this tradition of thought, but it is pretty powerful and controversial, probably too radical and controversial to be directly useful now. Possibly some of the French progressive theorising after WW2 was directly inspired by and responding to this sort of thing.

  109. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    The most common definition for consensus was percent agreement (25 studies), with 75% being the median threshold to define consensus
     
    I wasn't able to locate any raw numbers on the vote, but did read that the far right and far left abstained from taking part in the vote. So it's quite likely that at least 75% of those that voted went along with classifying the holodomor as a genocide. Those parties that didn't take part in the vote did their supporters a disservice, as there was close to one week before the vote when the measure was first proposed and the day when the vote took place.

    I don't recall you being so pharasaic when the Russian parliament recently voted for the inclusion of Ukrainian territories into the RusFed? Nothing amiss with that vote??....

    Replies: @songbird, @songbird

    I don’t recall you being so pharasaic when the Russian parliament recently voted for the inclusion of Ukrainian territories into the RusFed? Nothing amiss with that vote??

    I’m afraid you’re misreading the tone of my comment.

    As I have said, I’m not sure how to feel about the promotion of the Holodomor. I see both negative and positive potentialities in it and am not sure which will manifest.

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    I’m not sure if you have ever been to Germany, but I have observed some negative precedent about these types of narratives firsthand, and I think it’s pretty fair to say now that the negative effects have a geographic scope extending far beyond Germany at this point. This is also a potentiality of any narrative about Ukraine.

    But I would say that I’m neutral about the result, at this stage. Who knows if it will really amount to anything? I wouldn’t say that Ukrainians have the lobbying power of some other groups. At least not yet. Perhaps, that could change with the exodus?

    Though, I would agree with GR that I don’t think it is something the Bundestag should have been focusing on. Really, Germany has quite a lot of its own problems, without politicians pretending to be historians or take up some external moral narrative.

    I imagine it is also quite possible that, in this case, the vote was broadly supported by the German public.

    Perhaps, I am being something of an autist, but what I do take issue with is what seems to be your idea that parliamentary votes always represent the general consensus of the populace. I also feel that your definition of consensus is a bit unseemly, like something coined by a political scientist, or group of them.

  110. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    The most common definition for consensus was percent agreement (25 studies), with 75% being the median threshold to define consensus
     
    I wasn't able to locate any raw numbers on the vote, but did read that the far right and far left abstained from taking part in the vote. So it's quite likely that at least 75% of those that voted went along with classifying the holodomor as a genocide. Those parties that didn't take part in the vote did their supporters a disservice, as there was close to one week before the vote when the measure was first proposed and the day when the vote took place.

    I don't recall you being so pharasaic when the Russian parliament recently voted for the inclusion of Ukrainian territories into the RusFed? Nothing amiss with that vote??....

    Replies: @songbird, @songbird

    This video clip from your favorite news service is not encouraging:

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    Leads with “Russian” rather than “Soviet.” A lot of terms employed seem designed to conflate: Kremlin, Moscow. Ends with a call to supply weapons and seemingly never compromise, in order to prevent another genocide.

    And, of course, the Green Party, a most evil group, seem to be leading the charge. Watching this may have changed my mind. Signs of good things coming from this are actually not looking very likely.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm going to reply to both comments #109 and #110, as they're both related and very much a continuation of the same matter.


    I also feel that your definition of consensus is a bit unseemly, like something coined by a political scientist, or group of them.
     
    The definition was retrieved upon googling in for the definition of "consensus", specifically within a portal answering the question "can "consensus" be quantified. It was somewhat coined probably by some political scientists (and other researchers) and based as a conglomerate term taken from 25 separate studies. It's probably as good as any definition, for this is the kind of thing that political scientists do for a living. Why, do you have a better definition?

    I have observed some negative precedent about these types of narratives firsthand, and I think it’s pretty fair to say now that the negative effects have a geographic scope extending far beyond Germany at this point.
     
    I'd b interested in hearing more about what causes you some sort of fear on your part (at least some sort of anxiety) and how the German experience might negatively effect the Ukrainian one?

    Really, Germany has quite a lot of its own problems, without politicians pretending to be historians or take up some external moral narrative.
     
    Unless you can show me how the time spent on such an important topic (you do agree that it's an important topic?) has somehow impinged on the German parliaments ability to handle more crucial internal German topics, I'll remain unsympathetic to your call for expediency. Also, you'll have to admit that Germany and Ukraine, though not sharing borders, do indeed cohabit the same European space and therefore what is being done there is quite normal and should have been addressed much sooner. Better late than never.

    Leads with “Russian” rather than “Soviet.” A lot of terms employed seem designed to conflate: Kremlin, Moscow. Ends with a call to supply weapons and seemingly never compromise, in order to prevent another genocide.

    And, of course, the Green Party, a most evil group, seem to be leading the charge.
     

    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you've included. It's the interpretation and underlying of the message expressed within that I find to be accurate and historical that should be weighed as to its relative value. As for the Green party's input, I would consider this a case where a "most evil group" does a good thing, whereas not supporting the new German measures may very well be a case where "good people" for whatever reason do a bad thing.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

  111. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I can only assume that Scholz’s government already knows exactly who did it and that this is part of a preemptive attempt at narrative management.
     
    Everybody with IQ greater than the shoe size knows who blew up NS1 and NS2. I mean, it’s like contractual murder: you may not know who actually pulled the trigger, but you do know who ordered it.

    However, I am not sure that an average IQ in Scholz government is greater than their shoe size (if we mean European, not American, sizes). As far as his “foreign minister” Baerbock is concerned, I am sure that her IQ is way lower, somewhere at the level of her boob size.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    Everybody with IQ greater than the shoe size knows who blew up NS1 and NS2. I mean, it’s like contractual murder: you may not know who actually pulled the trigger, but you do know who ordered it.

    The NS1 / NS2 destruction benefited one nation above all others — POLAND.

    Thus, everyone with an IQ greater higher room temperature believes that the Poles ordered it without consulting any other nation. It might even be a group of Polish rogue officials or even private citizens. Only the Dimmest of the Dim would misallocate blame to the U.S.

    There is nothing technically complex about the mission, and the size of the ghost ships 100% exonerates the U.S. Navy. It was almost certainly sub-contracted to a commercial mercenary corporation that will be a investigation dead end, assuming they can every be identified.

    POLAND Acted Alone

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Only the Dimmest of the Dim would misallocate blame to the U.S.
     

    POLAND Acted Alone
     
    That easily explains why right after the explosions that damaged NS1 and NS2 former British PM Truss sent Blinken a cable saying “It’s done”. Or does it?

    Replies: @A123

  112. @German_reader
    @songbird


    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.
     
    They're probably just going to reinforce it, the only difference will be that the Soviets (meaning Russians collectively) are also cast as villains, the Tim Snyder view of history. I've also noticed that the claims about German depravity seem to be getting more outlandish with increasing distance of time, there are now African and Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like "the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths", which just seems like a bizarrely inflated number, even if you count the entire Pacific war. The subtext is of course clear enough, there will be no absolution ever, and that history will be used by recent immigrants (without personal connection to WW2) as a weapon against ethnic Germans.
    Ireland's recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland's history.

    Replies: @songbird, @Yahya, @Barbarossa, @Matra

    Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like “the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths”,

    If Arab-German MPs are speaking that way regarding Nazi Germany, they have learnt to ape the Western liberals from whom they take their queues. It’s a sign of assimilation to their host society, if perhaps in a way you disapprove of. Very few in the Arab world speak that way, you’re probably more likely to hear positive references to the anti-Semitic regime if anything.

    On a somewhat related note, a few months ago I was talking to an acquaintance whose parents got her an internship with this Egyptian member of the Bundestag: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Radwan

    I remember laughing inside at the thought of this Egyptian girl, who lived all her life in Egypt and was culturally socialized as an Arab, serving a professional function in the German parliament (though she held German citizenship through her [ethnic] German father and had some Germanic facial features). She was pretty daft so she definitely got her internship through Middle Eastern-style personal connections, her father apparently is some sort of import/export merchant (read: arms dealer) with lots of connections; though she was fairly interesting and sociable, which is no doubt helpful in politics.

    Also I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across. Some website mentioned nearly 11% of German MPs were of immigrant background (either 1st or 2nd gen), though that was less than the 24% figure for Germany at large. I thought Arabs and Turks in Germany were a fairly apolitical and disorganized bunch. I saw comparatively fewer African and Asian names or faces when I was going through the list.

    Also saw this headline:

    All of Germany’s Muslim MPs voted in favour of same-sex marriage

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-chancellor-germany-same-sex-marriage-vote-lgbt-muslim-mps-berlin-bundestag-cdu-sdp-green-party-cem-ozdemir-ekin-deligoz-ozcan-mutlu-omid-nouripour-cemile-giousouf-a7819391.html

    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yahya


    her father apparently is some sort of import/export merchant (read: arms dealer) with lots of connections
     
    lol, yeah, that sounds like something CSU people like Alexander Radwan could get involved in. He's not the kind of Arab (or semi-Arab) though I was thinking of in my previous comment.

    She was pretty daft so she definitely got her internship through Middle Eastern-style personal connections

     

    That's not a Mideastern specialty, it's not like Germany is run on strictly meritocratic lines (though I suppose there might be differences in how it manifests, in Germany the role of political parties and their patronage networks is rather pronounced).
    , @Mikel
    @Yahya


    I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across.
     
    You probably didn't recognize Sahra Wagenknecht as a name associated with the Middle-East but she's half-Iranian. If I interpret your tastes correctly, you should like her looks. I do.

    https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/media.media.f4ec420b-53cd-4e6a-9be7-b477907f27ed.original1024.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya

    , @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLweKTxbIwU

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/04/bbc-asian-network-plays-rap-song-about-pimping-white-girls-money/

    They only seem to assimilate where whites are an overwhelming majority.
    Have faith & give it a generation, Continental Europe is behind even Britain in replacement.

    , @Coconuts
    @Yahya


    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.
     
    At least in Britain there is a kind of 'intersectional' deal between Muslims and progressive white groups, LGBTQIA+, Feminists etc. Muslims groups provide electoral (and other kinds of) muscle for the progressives in exchange for their communities being tacitly exempt from progressive social and legal norms.

    Sher Singh mentioned it, but progressives used their influence to protect Muslim grooming and rape gangs for a couple of decades in exchange for the electoral and cultural support they brought to the British Labour Party.

    I used to think his posts were eccentric but A123 is probably just picking up on the same tendencies in the US.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @A123

  113. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Everybody with IQ greater than the shoe size knows who blew up NS1 and NS2. I mean, it’s like contractual murder: you may not know who actually pulled the trigger, but you do know who ordered it.
     
    The NS1 / NS2 destruction benefited one nation above all others -- POLAND.

    Thus, everyone with an IQ greater higher room temperature believes that the Poles ordered it without consulting any other nation. It might even be a group of Polish rogue officials or even private citizens. Only the Dimmest of the Dim would misallocate blame to the U.S.

    There is nothing technically complex about the mission, and the size of the ghost ships 100% exonerates the U.S. Navy. It was almost certainly sub-contracted to a commercial mercenary corporation that will be a investigation dead end, assuming they can every be identified.

    POLAND Acted Alone

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Only the Dimmest of the Dim would misallocate blame to the U.S.

    POLAND Acted Alone

    That easily explains why right after the explosions that damaged NS1 and NS2 former British PM Truss sent Blinken a cable saying “It’s done”. Or does it?

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    That easily explains why right after the explosions that damaged NS1 and NS2 former British PM Truss sent Blinken a cable saying “It’s done”. Or does it?
     
    ROTFL

    You are relying on Kim DotCom as an information source?

    The guy who put an inflatable tank decoy in his front yard? (1)

     
    https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Dummy-Tank-1.jpg
     

    Just how gullible are you?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.carscoops.com/2012/01/blown-up-tank-arrives-in-front-of-kim/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  114. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Only the Dimmest of the Dim would misallocate blame to the U.S.
     

    POLAND Acted Alone
     
    That easily explains why right after the explosions that damaged NS1 and NS2 former British PM Truss sent Blinken a cable saying “It’s done”. Or does it?

    Replies: @A123

    That easily explains why right after the explosions that damaged NS1 and NS2 former British PM Truss sent Blinken a cable saying “It’s done”. Or does it?

    ROTFL

    You are relying on Kim DotCom as an information source?

    The guy who put an inflatable tank decoy in his front yard? (1)

     

     

    Just how gullible are you?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.carscoops.com/2012/01/blown-up-tank-arrives-in-front-of-kim/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Just how gullible are you?
     
    Are the statements of Biden and other US officials that the US would not allow NS2 to function (issued before the terrorist act), as well as Blinken’s statement about “tremendous opportunities” for the US LNG producers (issued after the terrorist act) also propaganda? Or are these personages run by Poland? Or maybe by the Republic of Palau?

    Replies: @A123

  115. @songbird
    @German_reader


    They’re probably just going to reinforce it
     
    This is quite possible. In a loose way, I would say that it has already happened with blacks in America and the UK. Of course, some of that insanity goes back quite a ways. But it seems like there has been some level of black memorialism, following Holocaust memorialism, as well as concerted attempts at narrative capture, following the previous narrative capture.

    I think Boston is actually a good example of this. It originally had something called the Freedom Trail about the Revolutionary War, that schoolkids were sent to. Now it has both a Holocaust memorial and black memorials, and the same people promoted both.

    The height of this is no doubt that Slavery Museum, which seems conceived by Blacula. They store jars of dirt there from every lynching of a black, whether he was a murderer and/or rapist (as many were). And the museum has baby memorials that it has given birth to, and which it holds, for placing on the site of all these lynchings.

    https://nieman.harvard.edu/stories/building-a-museum-with-jars-of-dirt-and-building-stories-from-the-ground-up/

    Ireland’s recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.
     
    Progressives everywhere in the West seem to have the same susceptibilities, and it is really disturbing to consider that there might not be any possibility of an immunization to the disease, based on national history or culture, but that it might be a combination of biology and environment, with little prospects of changing either.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Coconuts

    Now it has both a Holocaust memorial and black memorials, and the same people promoted both.

    However there seems to be such feeling that maybe might be called “competition of victims” which is bubbling quite deeply but strong under the surface – remembered reading a story from from a basketball star Ray Allen, who got a negative reactions from his own social media bubble because of the trip to Aushwitz in 2017:

    When I returned home to America, I got some very disheartening messages directed toward me on social media regarding my trip. Some people didn’t like the fact that I was going to Poland to raise awareness for the issues that happened there and not using that time or energy to support people in the black community.

    I was told my ancestors would be ashamed of me.

    I know there are trolls online and I shouldn’t even pay attention, but that one sort of got to me. Because I understood where they were coming from. I understand that there are plenty of issues in our own country right now, but they were looking at my trip the wrong way.

    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/ray-allen-why-i-went-to-auschwitz

    So I’m getting increasing feeling that currently all this Kanye, Fuentes and Trump dinner thing is absolutely calculated in advance and deliberate election tactics, because the gamble is being done on that victim competition feeling in order to reduce black voting percentage for Dems in the 2024, at the same also encouraging and reattracting those who were dissatisfied with all the de facto extreme MIGA agenda during Trump 2016-2020 tenure.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Thanks, that Ray Allen story is funny. I feel like he must have got something out of it, but I don't know what, since he was retired, at that point. A lot of black players are really bad with their money. Another player who played for Boston for a while, Antoine Walker earned $108 million during his career, but had to file for bankruptcy.


    So I’m getting increasing feeling that currently all this Kanye, Fuentes and Trump dinner thing is absolutely calculated in advance and deliberate election tactics, because the gamble is being done on that victim competition feeling in order to reduce black voting percentage for Dems in the 2024
     
    Most of the theorizing I heard is that it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.

    For me, the part I keep thinking about is how much of Kanye's behavior is explained by craziness and how much by low IQ? Is it even possible to distinguish the two things? Like when he said Hitler invented the microphone, what exactly is that? (Found it to be a pretty amusing counterpoint to the dubious list of black inventors that one gets hit with every year in black history month, esp. as a black guy was saying it)

    Replies: @German_reader

  116. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like “the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths”,
     
    If Arab-German MPs are speaking that way regarding Nazi Germany, they have learnt to ape the Western liberals from whom they take their queues. It’s a sign of assimilation to their host society, if perhaps in a way you disapprove of. Very few in the Arab world speak that way, you’re probably more likely to hear positive references to the anti-Semitic regime if anything.

    On a somewhat related note, a few months ago I was talking to an acquaintance whose parents got her an internship with this Egyptian member of the Bundestag: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Radwan

    I remember laughing inside at the thought of this Egyptian girl, who lived all her life in Egypt and was culturally socialized as an Arab, serving a professional function in the German parliament (though she held German citizenship through her [ethnic] German father and had some Germanic facial features). She was pretty daft so she definitely got her internship through Middle Eastern-style personal connections, her father apparently is some sort of import/export merchant (read: arms dealer) with lots of connections; though she was fairly interesting and sociable, which is no doubt helpful in politics.

    Also I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across. Some website mentioned nearly 11% of German MPs were of immigrant background (either 1st or 2nd gen), though that was less than the 24% figure for Germany at large. I thought Arabs and Turks in Germany were a fairly apolitical and disorganized bunch. I saw comparatively fewer African and Asian names or faces when I was going through the list.

    Also saw this headline:

    All of Germany's Muslim MPs voted in favour of same-sex marriage

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-chancellor-germany-same-sex-marriage-vote-lgbt-muslim-mps-berlin-bundestag-cdu-sdp-green-party-cem-ozdemir-ekin-deligoz-ozcan-mutlu-omid-nouripour-cemile-giousouf-a7819391.html
     
    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts

    her father apparently is some sort of import/export merchant (read: arms dealer) with lots of connections

    lol, yeah, that sounds like something CSU people like Alexander Radwan could get involved in. He’s not the kind of Arab (or semi-Arab) though I was thinking of in my previous comment.

    She was pretty daft so she definitely got her internship through Middle Eastern-style personal connections

    That’s not a Mideastern specialty, it’s not like Germany is run on strictly meritocratic lines (though I suppose there might be differences in how it manifests, in Germany the role of political parties and their patronage networks is rather pronounced).

  117. @showmethereal
    @Barbarossa

    I never understood the obsession with extreme weight lifting and body building. It doesn’t help in a fight. Plenty of bulky people get beat up by smaller people who have good technique for hitting. All that bulk doesn’t extend life either…. Strength training does (of course with good lifestyle and cardio…. But bulky muscles doesn’t do much unless someone is a lumber Jack….

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mikel

    All that bulk doesn’t extend life either

    I wouldn’t put it that way. You are possibly right that bodybuilding is not the best strategy for life extension purposes, even if you practice it clean, insofar it involves high consumption of animal protein. At least that’s what some (but not all) longevity researchers say. But there are several important caveats:

    – Metabolism varies greatly between individuals and populations. It is difficult to give dietary advice that will work equally well (or at all) for everybody.

    – If these researchers are right, plant-based proteins with low contents of leucin and isoleucin would only have rather modest effects on cell protection and lifespan. At best, a few years in exchange for giving up the pleasure of animal protein.

    – The most important caveat, that relates directly to your statement, is that muscle bulk in itself does extend healthspan and lifespan. Muscle loss is one of the inevitable consequences of aging. It starts at around 30 years of age and becomes worse with each decade. As you age, this muscle loss starts to have increasingly important functional effects. Not only you become unable to do many things that you were able to do before but this progressive lack of activity has detrimental metabolic effects. It also prevents you from you doing vigorous aerobic exercise, that is the best known way to stay healthy, and increases frailty, which reduces lifespan. A hip or other bone fracture would not be a very life-changing event in your 20s but in your 70s-80s it may lead you to early death in a couple of years. The lack of muscle at those ages means that people may never recover from an accident like that. They become semi-paralyzed or bedridden, which increases muscle loss and lack of activity even more and greatly reduces life expectancy.

    The best way to prevent all of that is to maintain as much muscle as you can in your old age. This, in turn, is easier if you achieved good muscle size in your youth, when you really are able to generate good hypertrophy. Keeping or returning to a muscle mass that was already there is much easier than trying to generate that muscle at an old age, when metabolism, strength and joint health are all playing against you.

    I don’t particularly like lifting weights at the gym, I much prefer strenuous exercise in nature, but it is what it is. Btw, a very little known fact is that muscle cells are the only cells that never develop cancer. It is not known why but scientists hope to apply their knowledge to the cure of cancer when they finally unravel the secret.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Mikel

    Of course there are many factors (genetics - environment - diet/lifestyle)... Anecdotally I think "strenuous exercise in nature" is probably a better bet. The people I know who practice such tend to live longer and have much better quality of life up into their 70's and 80's (some losing function in their 90's). I've never seen it among the "body building" crowd - but maybe because that's a newer phenomenon. I wonder what the average life expectancy of a body builder is - and likewise rugby and american football players compared to other athletes....??

    Replies: @Mikel

  118. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    That easily explains why right after the explosions that damaged NS1 and NS2 former British PM Truss sent Blinken a cable saying “It’s done”. Or does it?
     
    ROTFL

    You are relying on Kim DotCom as an information source?

    The guy who put an inflatable tank decoy in his front yard? (1)

     
    https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Dummy-Tank-1.jpg
     

    Just how gullible are you?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.carscoops.com/2012/01/blown-up-tank-arrives-in-front-of-kim/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Just how gullible are you?

    Are the statements of Biden and other US officials that the US would not allow NS2 to function (issued before the terrorist act), as well as Blinken’s statement about “tremendous opportunities” for the US LNG producers (issued after the terrorist act) also propaganda? Or are these personages run by Poland? Or maybe by the Republic of Palau?

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Everybody with an IQ greater than their shoe size knows that POLAND had the most to gain.

    Given the trivial size of such an operation, why would Warsaw leak to multiple other countries? A multinational conspiracy is ludicrous.

    What you insist on pushing is less plausible that Mr. Unz and his insistence that WUHAN-19 was stolen from Fort Detrick.


    British PM Truss sent Blinken a text message saying “It’s done”.
     
    Group B in the World Cup has been successfully bought. England and the U.S. will advance... Trampling the Welshies! Viva La London! Do you think Iran's was humiliation was accidental?

    No doubt, Blinken and Truss cleaned up betting on rigged FIFA matches.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgrzf34LSdioBOd6tCTz_o2Vle_lHqTQGFU9Hpf7vykXOUfKecdC3fg4u0Yqma09j5RYY__vDz8gEcm21N8WuoZxrKSZgRemdozxoh3dDDY4gXPp3gR_5JB6s0kBIkgOP0RqWNobXO1MDLHPdNaTgPuBzUjc4DC0qbhwXDabfLYXxABmqGpTNcjiF-fIA/s488/1%20dfgsdfgdgdg.jpg

  119. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Just how gullible are you?
     
    Are the statements of Biden and other US officials that the US would not allow NS2 to function (issued before the terrorist act), as well as Blinken’s statement about “tremendous opportunities” for the US LNG producers (issued after the terrorist act) also propaganda? Or are these personages run by Poland? Or maybe by the Republic of Palau?

    Replies: @A123

    Everybody with an IQ greater than their shoe size knows that POLAND had the most to gain.

    Given the trivial size of such an operation, why would Warsaw leak to multiple other countries? A multinational conspiracy is ludicrous.

    What you insist on pushing is less plausible that Mr. Unz and his insistence that WUHAN-19 was stolen from Fort Detrick.

    British PM Truss sent Blinken a text message saying “It’s done”.

    Group B in the World Cup has been successfully bought. England and the U.S. will advance… Trampling the Welshies! Viva La London! Do you think Iran’s was humiliation was accidental?

    No doubt, Blinken and Truss cleaned up betting on rigged FIFA matches.

    PEACE 😇

     

  120. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like “the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths”,
     
    If Arab-German MPs are speaking that way regarding Nazi Germany, they have learnt to ape the Western liberals from whom they take their queues. It’s a sign of assimilation to their host society, if perhaps in a way you disapprove of. Very few in the Arab world speak that way, you’re probably more likely to hear positive references to the anti-Semitic regime if anything.

    On a somewhat related note, a few months ago I was talking to an acquaintance whose parents got her an internship with this Egyptian member of the Bundestag: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Radwan

    I remember laughing inside at the thought of this Egyptian girl, who lived all her life in Egypt and was culturally socialized as an Arab, serving a professional function in the German parliament (though she held German citizenship through her [ethnic] German father and had some Germanic facial features). She was pretty daft so she definitely got her internship through Middle Eastern-style personal connections, her father apparently is some sort of import/export merchant (read: arms dealer) with lots of connections; though she was fairly interesting and sociable, which is no doubt helpful in politics.

    Also I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across. Some website mentioned nearly 11% of German MPs were of immigrant background (either 1st or 2nd gen), though that was less than the 24% figure for Germany at large. I thought Arabs and Turks in Germany were a fairly apolitical and disorganized bunch. I saw comparatively fewer African and Asian names or faces when I was going through the list.

    Also saw this headline:

    All of Germany's Muslim MPs voted in favour of same-sex marriage

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-chancellor-germany-same-sex-marriage-vote-lgbt-muslim-mps-berlin-bundestag-cdu-sdp-green-party-cem-ozdemir-ekin-deligoz-ozcan-mutlu-omid-nouripour-cemile-giousouf-a7819391.html
     
    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts

    I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across.

    You probably didn’t recognize Sahra Wagenknecht as a name associated with the Middle-East but she’s half-Iranian. If I interpret your tastes correctly, you should like her looks. I do.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    she’s half-Iranian
     
    Genetically, but she hardly knew her father (he left his family when she was a small child and went back to Iran, it's not even clear what happened to him after that). Culturally she's extremely German, probably best knowledge of German classics among the German political class which can hardly be accused of being very cultured. Incidentally, for a commie she's also surprisingly popular among the German right (and hated by much of her own party which has been trying to get rid of her), since she hasn't adopted the kind of anti-white/anti-German identity politics that is increasingly common and is quite anti-American.
    , @Yahya
    @Mikel


    I interpret your tastes correctly, you should like her looks.
     
    Yes she’s close to my taste alley; though the picture you posted is one of her better ones; unfortunately she’s less attractive in some of her other pictures.

    But judged by the Bundestag curve, she’s a veritable supermodel.

    I think female MPs from the post-Soviet space are better-looking than Germanic MPs. Natalia Poklonskaya in Russia, Arpine Hovhannisyan in Armenia, Joana Mucha in Poland, and perhaps the younger Yulia Tymoshenko in Ukraine.

    The best-looking female politician has to be the former Mayor of Rome.

    I’m more interested in Wagenknecht’s political views and personality than her looks.

    I agree with German_Reader, there's not much Iranian or Middle Eastern about her. In her demeanor she is 100% German.

    She's dark-haired and dark-eyed but her facial features tend towards the Germanic. I'd classify her look as "Indo-European".

    She seems to be independent-minded which is rare for a female, and a German one no less.

    One has to admire the fact that she's taken a pro-Russian stance and espouses immigration restriction despite the immense pressure to conform from her left-wing ideological compatriots and German society at large.

    Her being a communist doesn’t preclude her from being intelligent; even if we disagree with their premises, one has to admit there are many intelligent communists after all; but it does point to a certain lack of judgement, or perhaps an irrational commitment to an ideological worldview.

    But her face certainly gives the impression of a strong-willed, intelligent woman, which always adds points to any female attractiveness scale in my book.

  121. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @Yahya


    I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across.
     
    You probably didn't recognize Sahra Wagenknecht as a name associated with the Middle-East but she's half-Iranian. If I interpret your tastes correctly, you should like her looks. I do.

    https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/media.media.f4ec420b-53cd-4e6a-9be7-b477907f27ed.original1024.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya

    she’s half-Iranian

    Genetically, but she hardly knew her father (he left his family when she was a small child and went back to Iran, it’s not even clear what happened to him after that). Culturally she’s extremely German, probably best knowledge of German classics among the German political class which can hardly be accused of being very cultured. Incidentally, for a commie she’s also surprisingly popular among the German right (and hated by much of her own party which has been trying to get rid of her), since she hasn’t adopted the kind of anti-white/anti-German identity politics that is increasingly common and is quite anti-American.

    • Thanks: Mikel
  122. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I can only assume that Scholz’s government already knows exactly who did it and that this is part of a preemptive attempt at narrative management.
     
    Everybody with IQ greater than the shoe size knows who blew up NS1 and NS2. I mean, it’s like contractual murder: you may not know who actually pulled the trigger, but you do know who ordered it.

    However, I am not sure that an average IQ in Scholz government is greater than their shoe size (if we mean European, not American, sizes). As far as his “foreign minister” Baerbock is concerned, I am sure that her IQ is way lower, somewhere at the level of her boob size.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    Baerbock is 85B, not bad for a short girl. She is not too smart but probably triple-digits on a good day. Her problem – and Scholz’s – is that they got themselves way over their heads and it is escalating. Their natural response is to double down to keep some gravitas, but it will be very bad for Germany.

    Merkel should had forced Minsk on Kiev but she wasn’t allowed to. What is going on is an inevitable consequence of the decision to get Nato into Ukraine. Germany is a marginal secondary player and it was decided above them. Merkel tried to slow down the march to war – and she did – but all else was preordained. The fault lies primarily with the two moron cults in Washington and London.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    She is not too smart but probably triple-digits on a good day.
     
    She said so many stupid things on camera, things that only a hopeless ignoramus might say, that she can even compete with Biden. Answering a question where Germany will get electricity, she said “from the power lines we already have”. Hearing complains that there isn’t enough electricity in Germany she retorted that Germany has enough electric outlets for every resident. Recently she said that there are countries that are 100,000 kilometers from Germany. So, her knowledge of geography equals her knowledge of physics.

    She’d be a perfect bartender: no brains, decent looks, big boobs. Drunk male customers would tip her handsomely. But I’d make a better Pope than she a foreign minister (or any minister, for that matter). Tuvalu would be ashamed to have a minister like that.

    Replies: @songbird, @Beckow

  123. @sudden death
    @songbird


    Now it has both a Holocaust memorial and black memorials, and the same people promoted both.
     
    However there seems to be such feeling that maybe might be called "competition of victims" which is bubbling quite deeply but strong under the surface - remembered reading a story from from a basketball star Ray Allen, who got a negative reactions from his own social media bubble because of the trip to Aushwitz in 2017:

    When I returned home to America, I got some very disheartening messages directed toward me on social media regarding my trip. Some people didn’t like the fact that I was going to Poland to raise awareness for the issues that happened there and not using that time or energy to support people in the black community.

    I was told my ancestors would be ashamed of me.

    I know there are trolls online and I shouldn’t even pay attention, but that one sort of got to me. Because I understood where they were coming from. I understand that there are plenty of issues in our own country right now, but they were looking at my trip the wrong way.
     

    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/ray-allen-why-i-went-to-auschwitz

    So I'm getting increasing feeling that currently all this Kanye, Fuentes and Trump dinner thing is absolutely calculated in advance and deliberate election tactics, because the gamble is being done on that victim competition feeling in order to reduce black voting percentage for Dems in the 2024, at the same also encouraging and reattracting those who were dissatisfied with all the de facto extreme MIGA agenda during Trump 2016-2020 tenure.

    Replies: @songbird

    Thanks, that Ray Allen story is funny. I feel like he must have got something out of it, but I don’t know what, since he was retired, at that point. A lot of black players are really bad with their money. Another player who played for Boston for a while, Antoine Walker earned $108 million during his career, but had to file for bankruptcy.

    So I’m getting increasing feeling that currently all this Kanye, Fuentes and Trump dinner thing is absolutely calculated in advance and deliberate election tactics, because the gamble is being done on that victim competition feeling in order to reduce black voting percentage for Dems in the 2024

    Most of the theorizing I heard is that it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.

    For me, the part I keep thinking about is how much of Kanye’s behavior is explained by craziness and how much by low IQ? Is it even possible to distinguish the two things? Like when he said Hitler invented the microphone, what exactly is that? (Found it to be a pretty amusing counterpoint to the dubious list of black inventors that one gets hit with every year in black history month, esp. as a black guy was saying it)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Most of the theorizing I heard is that it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.
     
    Sounds vastly more plausible, how stupid would one have to be to think that associating with Kanye (who's probably quite literally mentally ill) will help Trump getting re-elected? It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types and the sort of Jewish mega-donors that were so important for Trump last time...and in compensation make Black Israelites Trump's new voter basis?

    Like when he said Hitler invented the microphone
     
    Obviously crazy, but on the other hand, without that kind of technology (and I believe microphones were a fairly recent innovation back then) Hitler's appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn't have been possible to the same extent, it was a very modern style of politics at the time. So strangely enough, in a fool's way Kanye might still be getting at some deeper truth.

    Replies: @songbird, @sudden death, @A123

  124. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @sudden death

    Thanks, that Ray Allen story is funny. I feel like he must have got something out of it, but I don't know what, since he was retired, at that point. A lot of black players are really bad with their money. Another player who played for Boston for a while, Antoine Walker earned $108 million during his career, but had to file for bankruptcy.


    So I’m getting increasing feeling that currently all this Kanye, Fuentes and Trump dinner thing is absolutely calculated in advance and deliberate election tactics, because the gamble is being done on that victim competition feeling in order to reduce black voting percentage for Dems in the 2024
     
    Most of the theorizing I heard is that it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.

    For me, the part I keep thinking about is how much of Kanye's behavior is explained by craziness and how much by low IQ? Is it even possible to distinguish the two things? Like when he said Hitler invented the microphone, what exactly is that? (Found it to be a pretty amusing counterpoint to the dubious list of black inventors that one gets hit with every year in black history month, esp. as a black guy was saying it)

    Replies: @German_reader

    Most of the theorizing I heard is that it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.

    Sounds vastly more plausible, how stupid would one have to be to think that associating with Kanye (who’s probably quite literally mentally ill) will help Trump getting re-elected? It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types and the sort of Jewish mega-donors that were so important for Trump last time…and in compensation make Black Israelites Trump’s new voter basis?

    Like when he said Hitler invented the microphone

    Obviously crazy, but on the other hand, without that kind of technology (and I believe microphones were a fairly recent innovation back then) Hitler’s appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn’t have been possible to the same extent, it was a very modern style of politics at the time. So strangely enough, in a fool’s way Kanye might still be getting at some deeper truth.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types
     
    Is there more than one? (Just joking, A123! You know I like you and what you bring here.)

    Hitler’s appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn’t have been possible to the same extent
     
    I suppose this must come through in pop culture to a certain extent.

    BTW, I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie. Or maybe that was the original plot and they changed it? No idea. But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement. Anyway, whether or not that last is the case, it is really funny that in the trailer Harrison Ford's head is clearly CGI'ed on the rider of a bucking horse.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @silviosilver

    , @sudden death
    @German_reader


    It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types and the sort of Jewish mega-donors that were so important for Trump last time…and in compensation make Black Israelites Trump’s new voter basis?
     
    Depends how you define "normal" voters, but independents or moderates are pretty much gone for Trump anyway even before Kanye, A123 types will do all kinds of imaginable mental gymnastics about "honest" mistakes or push plausible deniabilities about "falling out" with Kanye and "not knowing" Fuentes, who was just some accidentaly walking by hobo at the Trump table, the same with Jewish megadonors who will believe Trump is really lying to racialists, but not to them and in fact will do the same as he was doing in 2016-2020, if election will be succesful.

    Trump also does not really need "ryl OG Black Joos" types to vote for him in 2024, primary goal is making them just not voting for Dems.

    Ofc all those possible cunning catculations might be mistaken, which would not be much of a surprise, but then you can always easily scream about election fraud again, it's not like there is much to lose for Trump now...

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @A123
    @German_reader



    it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.
     
    Sounds vastly more plausible, how stupid would one have to be to think that associating with Kanye (who’s probably quite literally mentally ill) will help Trump getting re-elected? It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types
     
    The set-up was not arranged "by the other side" per say. It was simple, sideless attention theatrics. The suspect has been rousted:

     
    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/05/232e7e03-1fcf-4ba3-b38a-30d7bcb87d38-640x427.jpg
     

    Milo Yiannopoulos had his 15 minutes of fame ages ago and has been relegated to the dust bin of history. Fuentes is also a Z-List attention whore.
    ___

    The entire story has no traction.

    Kanye and Trump have met before, so the dinner after Ye did something stupid does not move the needle among normal voters. Anyone whose vote was tied to the Trump/Kanye's connection was already locked.

    Fuentes is a nobody like Milo. Being at a dinner table with someone you do not know? Again, does not move the needle among normal voters, such as myself.
    ___

    Even then, perhaps there might have been minor ongoing issues. Then Trump was 100% rescued and the blight was purged. The SwampFather, Mitch McConnell, lurched forth from the bowels of Washington's sewers to be outraged: (1)


    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., appeared to take aim at former President Donald Trump on Tuesday over his decision to host Ye and white supremacist Nick Fuentes for dinner last week at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida.

     

    The guy with only a 7% favorable rating is giving Trump hard time (2).

    It is not sticking. One can reasonably assume that 93% either back Trump or do not care about the dinner.
    ___

    So the scorecard is:

    • Was it a unwise? Yes.
    • Will it have a lasting negative impact? No.
    • Is there a silver lining? Yes.

    Trump's campaign staff has now expanded its coverages to "all meetings" instead of only campaign encounters. This minor issue has slammed the door shut on cheap ambush methodology.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-condemns-trump-dinner-white-195652958.html

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/14/record-low-7-voters-view-mitch-mcconnell-favorably/

    Replies: @silviosilver

  125. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Most of the theorizing I heard is that it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.
     
    Sounds vastly more plausible, how stupid would one have to be to think that associating with Kanye (who's probably quite literally mentally ill) will help Trump getting re-elected? It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types and the sort of Jewish mega-donors that were so important for Trump last time...and in compensation make Black Israelites Trump's new voter basis?

    Like when he said Hitler invented the microphone
     
    Obviously crazy, but on the other hand, without that kind of technology (and I believe microphones were a fairly recent innovation back then) Hitler's appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn't have been possible to the same extent, it was a very modern style of politics at the time. So strangely enough, in a fool's way Kanye might still be getting at some deeper truth.

    Replies: @songbird, @sudden death, @A123

    It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types

    Is there more than one? (Just joking, A123! You know I like you and what you bring here.)

    Hitler’s appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn’t have been possible to the same extent

    I suppose this must come through in pop culture to a certain extent.

    BTW, I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie. Or maybe that was the original plot and they changed it? No idea. But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement. Anyway, whether or not that last is the case, it is really funny that in the trailer Harrison Ford’s head is clearly CGI’ed on the rider of a bucking horse.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Is there more than one?
     
    His particular combination of views is probably pretty unique...when reading his comments I still often find myself wondering "Can this guy be real? Do people like him really exist?"...but at least it's good entertainment.

    I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie.
     
    I think that's already been pretty much confirmed by the director (some prog asshole from Britain). Will probably be something along the lines of the von Braun character acquiring a time travel artifact ("dial of destiny", lol) and trying to change history with it, so Germany wins the war. Fits in well with the spirit of the times where "Nazis", "white supremacists" etc. are supposedly an ever-present, lurking threat.
    , @A123
    @songbird


    I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie. Or maybe that was the original plot and they changed it? No idea. But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.
     
    That does appear to be the case. The Critical Drinker has already opined.

    PEACE 😇

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8395JgNJ0sg
    , @silviosilver
    @songbird


    But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.
     
    If that's not the plot, bro, please, don't give them any ideas.

    Or, on the other hand, do - maybe the shock therapy of immanentizing the eschaton will accelerate us through and past this most horrific phase of western cultural decadence.

    To that end, how's about a "Back To The Future" remake, in which Marty's mom goes back in time to accuse George McFly of peeping=rape? But on returning back to the present she realizes it means her beloved Marty was never born, so she gets the idea of going back in time again to collect a semen sample before she launches into the rape accusations. She has a problem, though - the Delorean is out of fuel, and the 'mad scientist' professor never started work on a time machine because he was imprisoned for 'rape,' along with most other white males. She has no choice but to recruit among the no-longer-so-hidden-figure black women now holding down the physics professorships...


    Is there more than one?
     
    It's like you've never watched Highlander.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

  126. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types
     
    Is there more than one? (Just joking, A123! You know I like you and what you bring here.)

    Hitler’s appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn’t have been possible to the same extent
     
    I suppose this must come through in pop culture to a certain extent.

    BTW, I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie. Or maybe that was the original plot and they changed it? No idea. But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement. Anyway, whether or not that last is the case, it is really funny that in the trailer Harrison Ford's head is clearly CGI'ed on the rider of a bucking horse.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @silviosilver

    Is there more than one?

    His particular combination of views is probably pretty unique…when reading his comments I still often find myself wondering “Can this guy be real? Do people like him really exist?”…but at least it’s good entertainment.

    I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie.

    I think that’s already been pretty much confirmed by the director (some prog asshole from Britain). Will probably be something along the lines of the von Braun character acquiring a time travel artifact (“dial of destiny”, lol) and trying to change history with it, so Germany wins the war. Fits in well with the spirit of the times where “Nazis”, “white supremacists” etc. are supposedly an ever-present, lurking threat.

  127. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Most of the theorizing I heard is that it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.
     
    Sounds vastly more plausible, how stupid would one have to be to think that associating with Kanye (who's probably quite literally mentally ill) will help Trump getting re-elected? It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types and the sort of Jewish mega-donors that were so important for Trump last time...and in compensation make Black Israelites Trump's new voter basis?

    Like when he said Hitler invented the microphone
     
    Obviously crazy, but on the other hand, without that kind of technology (and I believe microphones were a fairly recent innovation back then) Hitler's appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn't have been possible to the same extent, it was a very modern style of politics at the time. So strangely enough, in a fool's way Kanye might still be getting at some deeper truth.

    Replies: @songbird, @sudden death, @A123

    It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types and the sort of Jewish mega-donors that were so important for Trump last time…and in compensation make Black Israelites Trump’s new voter basis?

    Depends how you define “normal” voters, but independents or moderates are pretty much gone for Trump anyway even before Kanye, A123 types will do all kinds of imaginable mental gymnastics about “honest” mistakes or push plausible deniabilities about “falling out” with Kanye and “not knowing” Fuentes, who was just some accidentaly walking by hobo at the Trump table, the same with Jewish megadonors who will believe Trump is really lying to racialists, but not to them and in fact will do the same as he was doing in 2016-2020, if election will be succesful.

    Trump also does not really need “ryl OG Black Joos” types to vote for him in 2024, primary goal is making them just not voting for Dems.

    Ofc all those possible cunning catculations might be mistaken, which would not be much of a surprise, but then you can always easily scream about election fraud again, it’s not like there is much to lose for Trump now…

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @sudden death

    The right is done winning elections for now, but has a more energetic base in the USA.

    They haven't shed the nerd image in Canada yet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia7uzSJAhsI

    Again, we got weed & if the Sikh party blocks most gun control - I'm apolitical at that point.

  128. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Most of the theorizing I heard is that it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.
     
    Sounds vastly more plausible, how stupid would one have to be to think that associating with Kanye (who's probably quite literally mentally ill) will help Trump getting re-elected? It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types and the sort of Jewish mega-donors that were so important for Trump last time...and in compensation make Black Israelites Trump's new voter basis?

    Like when he said Hitler invented the microphone
     
    Obviously crazy, but on the other hand, without that kind of technology (and I believe microphones were a fairly recent innovation back then) Hitler's appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn't have been possible to the same extent, it was a very modern style of politics at the time. So strangely enough, in a fool's way Kanye might still be getting at some deeper truth.

    Replies: @songbird, @sudden death, @A123

    it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.

    Sounds vastly more plausible, how stupid would one have to be to think that associating with Kanye (who’s probably quite literally mentally ill) will help Trump getting re-elected? It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types

    The set-up was not arranged “by the other side” per say. It was simple, sideless attention theatrics. The suspect has been rousted:

      

    Milo Yiannopoulos had his 15 minutes of fame ages ago and has been relegated to the dust bin of history. Fuentes is also a Z-List attention whore.
    ___

    The entire story has no traction.

    Kanye and Trump have met before, so the dinner after Ye did something stupid does not move the needle among normal voters. Anyone whose vote was tied to the Trump/Kanye’s connection was already locked.

    Fuentes is a nobody like Milo. Being at a dinner table with someone you do not know? Again, does not move the needle among normal voters, such as myself.
    ___

    Even then, perhaps there might have been minor ongoing issues. Then Trump was 100% rescued and the blight was purged. The SwampFather, Mitch McConnell, lurched forth from the bowels of Washington’s sewers to be outraged: (1)

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., appeared to take aim at former President Donald Trump on Tuesday over his decision to host Ye and white supremacist Nick Fuentes for dinner last week at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida.

    The guy with only a 7% favorable rating is giving Trump hard time (2).

    It is not sticking. One can reasonably assume that 93% either back Trump or do not care about the dinner.
    ___

    So the scorecard is:

    • Was it a unwise? Yes.
    • Will it have a lasting negative impact? No.
    • Is there a silver lining? Yes.

    Trump’s campaign staff has now expanded its coverages to “all meetings” instead of only campaign encounters. This minor issue has slammed the door shut on cheap ambush methodology.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-condemns-trump-dinner-white-195652958.html

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/14/record-low-7-voters-view-mitch-mcconnell-favorably/

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @A123


    Trump’s campaign staff has now expanded its coverages to “all meetings” instead of only campaign encounters. This minor issue has slammed the door shut on cheap ambush methodology.
     
    I agree. As I said at another site, better it happened now than a year from now.

    Replies: @songbird

  129. @songbird
    @German_reader


    It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types
     
    Is there more than one? (Just joking, A123! You know I like you and what you bring here.)

    Hitler’s appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn’t have been possible to the same extent
     
    I suppose this must come through in pop culture to a certain extent.

    BTW, I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie. Or maybe that was the original plot and they changed it? No idea. But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement. Anyway, whether or not that last is the case, it is really funny that in the trailer Harrison Ford's head is clearly CGI'ed on the rider of a bucking horse.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @silviosilver

    I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie. Or maybe that was the original plot and they changed it? No idea. But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.

    That does appear to be the case. The Critical Drinker has already opined.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: songbird
  130. @Mikel
    @Yahya


    I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across.
     
    You probably didn't recognize Sahra Wagenknecht as a name associated with the Middle-East but she's half-Iranian. If I interpret your tastes correctly, you should like her looks. I do.

    https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/media.media.f4ec420b-53cd-4e6a-9be7-b477907f27ed.original1024.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya

    I interpret your tastes correctly, you should like her looks.

    Yes she’s close to my taste alley; though the picture you posted is one of her better ones; unfortunately she’s less attractive in some of her other pictures.

    But judged by the Bundestag curve, she’s a veritable supermodel.

    I think female MPs from the post-Soviet space are better-looking than Germanic MPs. Natalia Poklonskaya in Russia, Arpine Hovhannisyan in Armenia, Joana Mucha in Poland, and perhaps the younger Yulia Tymoshenko in Ukraine.

    The best-looking female politician has to be the former Mayor of Rome.

    I’m more interested in Wagenknecht’s political views and personality than her looks.

    I agree with German_Reader, there’s not much Iranian or Middle Eastern about her. In her demeanor she is 100% German.

    She’s dark-haired and dark-eyed but her facial features tend towards the Germanic. I’d classify her look as “Indo-European”.

    She seems to be independent-minded which is rare for a female, and a German one no less.

    One has to admire the fact that she’s taken a pro-Russian stance and espouses immigration restriction despite the immense pressure to conform from her left-wing ideological compatriots and German society at large.

    Her being a communist doesn’t preclude her from being intelligent; even if we disagree with their premises, one has to admit there are many intelligent communists after all; but it does point to a certain lack of judgement, or perhaps an irrational commitment to an ideological worldview.

    But her face certainly gives the impression of a strong-willed, intelligent woman, which always adds points to any female attractiveness scale in my book.

  131. Sher Singh says:
    @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    That Guardian article is just silly lib-British trolling.
     
    The problem of suddenly feeling bored and starting an online quarrel is that it can easily go overboard with your opponent attacking the wrong targets and making a general stink for everyone. Apologies for that.

    Besides, I must confess that Sher is right. His dismissive comment against mercantile societies really made my blood boil. Though the real reason for my blasphemy was pure envy for his waist long dreadlocks and beautiful beard and mustache. Women must find them so irresistible.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    ਯਾਂਤੇ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੁਨੀਅਹਿ । ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿਬੇ ਉਤੱਮ ਗੁਨੀਅਹਿ ।
    The Guru then said to his Sikhs, “All of the Khalsa listen [to this directive], carrying weapons is the highest action.

    ਜਬਿ ਹਮਰੇ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਕੋ ਆਵਹੁ । ਬਨਿ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਤਨ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਜਾਵਹੁ ।।੭।।
    When you come to have my Darshan, adorn your body with weapons.

    ਕਮਰ ਕਸਾ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਦਿਖਾਈ । ਹਮਰੀ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਹੋਇ ਅਧਿਕਾਈ ।
    When showing yourself to me have your Kamar Kasa [waist band which holds weapons] tied, in such a way I shall be extremely happy.

    ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਕੇਸ ਬਿਨ ਪਾਉ ਲਖਹੁ ਨਰ । ਕੇਸ ਧਰੇ ਤਬਿ ਆਧੋ ਲਖਿ ਉਰ ।।੮।।
    Those men who do not have Kesh [unshorn hair] or Shastars [weapons], do not recognize those men as full men. Those who have Kesh [unshorn hair], recognize those as half-men.

    ਕੇਸ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਜਬਿ ਦੋਨਹੁਂ ਧਾਰੇ । ਤਬਿ ਨਰੁ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਤਿ ਹੈ ਸਾਰੇ ।
    Those who have adorned themselves with Kesh [unshorn hair] and Shastar [weapons], those men have attained their full form.”

    All the Dharmic faiths & Zoroastrians ultimately come from Panjab.

    The basque are slaves, No Aryan cuts his hair – look at the Gods.
    Would killing your son in front of you get the message across?

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    All the Dharmic faiths & Zoroastrians ultimately come from Panjab.
     
    Not only that. Panjab also gave us the Gypsies, that have so much enriched European musical culture.

    No Aryan cuts his hair – look at the Gods.
     
    Good point. But I don't think the Gods wipe their rears either. I hesitate to ask you the personal question that this brings to my mind though.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  132. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like “the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths”,
     
    If Arab-German MPs are speaking that way regarding Nazi Germany, they have learnt to ape the Western liberals from whom they take their queues. It’s a sign of assimilation to their host society, if perhaps in a way you disapprove of. Very few in the Arab world speak that way, you’re probably more likely to hear positive references to the anti-Semitic regime if anything.

    On a somewhat related note, a few months ago I was talking to an acquaintance whose parents got her an internship with this Egyptian member of the Bundestag: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Radwan

    I remember laughing inside at the thought of this Egyptian girl, who lived all her life in Egypt and was culturally socialized as an Arab, serving a professional function in the German parliament (though she held German citizenship through her [ethnic] German father and had some Germanic facial features). She was pretty daft so she definitely got her internship through Middle Eastern-style personal connections, her father apparently is some sort of import/export merchant (read: arms dealer) with lots of connections; though she was fairly interesting and sociable, which is no doubt helpful in politics.

    Also I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across. Some website mentioned nearly 11% of German MPs were of immigrant background (either 1st or 2nd gen), though that was less than the 24% figure for Germany at large. I thought Arabs and Turks in Germany were a fairly apolitical and disorganized bunch. I saw comparatively fewer African and Asian names or faces when I was going through the list.

    Also saw this headline:

    All of Germany's Muslim MPs voted in favour of same-sex marriage

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-chancellor-germany-same-sex-marriage-vote-lgbt-muslim-mps-berlin-bundestag-cdu-sdp-green-party-cem-ozdemir-ekin-deligoz-ozcan-mutlu-omid-nouripour-cemile-giousouf-a7819391.html
     
    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/04/bbc-asian-network-plays-rap-song-about-pimping-white-girls-money/

    They only seem to assimilate where whites are an overwhelming majority.
    Have faith & give it a generation, Continental Europe is behind even Britain in replacement.

  133. Sher Singh says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader


    It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types and the sort of Jewish mega-donors that were so important for Trump last time…and in compensation make Black Israelites Trump’s new voter basis?
     
    Depends how you define "normal" voters, but independents or moderates are pretty much gone for Trump anyway even before Kanye, A123 types will do all kinds of imaginable mental gymnastics about "honest" mistakes or push plausible deniabilities about "falling out" with Kanye and "not knowing" Fuentes, who was just some accidentaly walking by hobo at the Trump table, the same with Jewish megadonors who will believe Trump is really lying to racialists, but not to them and in fact will do the same as he was doing in 2016-2020, if election will be succesful.

    Trump also does not really need "ryl OG Black Joos" types to vote for him in 2024, primary goal is making them just not voting for Dems.

    Ofc all those possible cunning catculations might be mistaken, which would not be much of a surprise, but then you can always easily scream about election fraud again, it's not like there is much to lose for Trump now...

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    The right is done winning elections for now, but has a more energetic base in the USA.

    They haven’t shed the nerd image in Canada yet:

    Again, we got weed & if the Sikh party blocks most gun control – I’m apolitical at that point.

  134. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Baerbock is 85B, not bad for a short girl. She is not too smart but probably triple-digits on a good day. Her problem - and Scholz's - is that they got themselves way over their heads and it is escalating. Their natural response is to double down to keep some gravitas, but it will be very bad for Germany.

    Merkel should had forced Minsk on Kiev but she wasn't allowed to. What is going on is an inevitable consequence of the decision to get Nato into Ukraine. Germany is a marginal secondary player and it was decided above them. Merkel tried to slow down the march to war - and she did - but all else was preordained. The fault lies primarily with the two moron cults in Washington and London.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    She is not too smart but probably triple-digits on a good day.

    She said so many stupid things on camera, things that only a hopeless ignoramus might say, that she can even compete with Biden. Answering a question where Germany will get electricity, she said “from the power lines we already have”. Hearing complains that there isn’t enough electricity in Germany she retorted that Germany has enough electric outlets for every resident. Recently she said that there are countries that are 100,000 kilometers from Germany. So, her knowledge of geography equals her knowledge of physics.

    She’d be a perfect bartender: no brains, decent looks, big boobs. Drunk male customers would tip her handsomely. But I’d make a better Pope than she a foreign minister (or any minister, for that matter). Tuvalu would be ashamed to have a minister like that.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    Recently she said that there are countries that are 100,000 kilometers from Germany.
     
    If she had said triple that, I would have thought she was referring to some major alien presence at the Earth–Moon L1 point.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Bartendress Annalena in a dim light, noisy music, few drinks, sure she would do well on tips. And no talk of physics or geography.

    But I still think she climbs over 100 - we make a mistake assigning real smarts to the 100-110 band, they are competent, functional, their brain cells move, they simply lack education and critical thinking.

    Baerbock was probably fast-tracked as a 'girl with potential', never challenged and never forced to learn anything hard - like understanding the mysterious magic of electric outlets - it is not all her fault. These people rule us, or are the favorite group to stick up front by the people who do, but they generally make no decisions. Baerbock knows that she should push the war and downplay any consequences - Biden is the same. When the war will be lost and the consequences too dire, they will be quietly replaced.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  135. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    She is not too smart but probably triple-digits on a good day.
     
    She said so many stupid things on camera, things that only a hopeless ignoramus might say, that she can even compete with Biden. Answering a question where Germany will get electricity, she said “from the power lines we already have”. Hearing complains that there isn’t enough electricity in Germany she retorted that Germany has enough electric outlets for every resident. Recently she said that there are countries that are 100,000 kilometers from Germany. So, her knowledge of geography equals her knowledge of physics.

    She’d be a perfect bartender: no brains, decent looks, big boobs. Drunk male customers would tip her handsomely. But I’d make a better Pope than she a foreign minister (or any minister, for that matter). Tuvalu would be ashamed to have a minister like that.

    Replies: @songbird, @Beckow

    Recently she said that there are countries that are 100,000 kilometers from Germany.

    If she had said triple that, I would have thought she was referring to some major alien presence at the Earth–Moon L1 point.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    If she had said triple that, I would have thought she was referring to some major alien presence at the Earth–Moon L1 point.
     
    She is the kind of person to believe that the Moon is a flat disc nailed to the firmament of the sky.
  136. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    Recently she said that there are countries that are 100,000 kilometers from Germany.
     
    If she had said triple that, I would have thought she was referring to some major alien presence at the Earth–Moon L1 point.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    If she had said triple that, I would have thought she was referring to some major alien presence at the Earth–Moon L1 point.

    She is the kind of person to believe that the Moon is a flat disc nailed to the firmament of the sky.

    • LOL: songbird
  137. @Sher Singh
    @Mikel


    ਯਾਂਤੇ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੁਨੀਅਹਿ । ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿਬੇ ਉਤੱਮ ਗੁਨੀਅਹਿ ।
    The Guru then said to his Sikhs, "All of the Khalsa listen [to this directive], carrying weapons is the highest action.

    ਜਬਿ ਹਮਰੇ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਕੋ ਆਵਹੁ । ਬਨਿ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਤਨ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਜਾਵਹੁ ।।੭।।
    When you come to have my Darshan, adorn your body with weapons.

    ਕਮਰ ਕਸਾ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਦਿਖਾਈ । ਹਮਰੀ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਹੋਇ ਅਧਿਕਾਈ ।
    When showing yourself to me have your Kamar Kasa [waist band which holds weapons] tied, in such a way I shall be extremely happy.

    ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਕੇਸ ਬਿਨ ਪਾਉ ਲਖਹੁ ਨਰ । ਕੇਸ ਧਰੇ ਤਬਿ ਆਧੋ ਲਖਿ ਉਰ ।।੮।।
    Those men who do not have Kesh [unshorn hair] or Shastars [weapons], do not recognize those men as full men. Those who have Kesh [unshorn hair], recognize those as half-men.

    ਕੇਸ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਜਬਿ ਦੋਨਹੁਂ ਧਾਰੇ । ਤਬਿ ਨਰੁ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਤਿ ਹੈ ਸਾਰੇ ।
    Those who have adorned themselves with Kesh [unshorn hair] and Shastar [weapons], those men have attained their full form."
     
    All the Dharmic faiths & Zoroastrians ultimately come from Panjab.

    The basque are slaves, No Aryan cuts his hair - look at the Gods.
    Would killing your son in front of you get the message across?

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

    Replies: @Mikel

    All the Dharmic faiths & Zoroastrians ultimately come from Panjab.

    Not only that. Panjab also gave us the Gypsies, that have so much enriched European musical culture.

    No Aryan cuts his hair – look at the Gods.

    Good point. But I don’t think the Gods wipe their rears either. I hesitate to ask you the personal question that this brings to my mind though.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    You're used to bowing so you must be familiar with a rear end.
    A basque sized contingent arrives in both North America & the EU each year, each.

    What're you even arguing about? That I should feel inferior to 'white men'?
    There are no white no-go zones in the EU.

  138. @songbird
    @German_reader


    It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types
     
    Is there more than one? (Just joking, A123! You know I like you and what you bring here.)

    Hitler’s appearances and speeches at mass rallies wouldn’t have been possible to the same extent
     
    I suppose this must come through in pop culture to a certain extent.

    BTW, I have heard some rumor that Indiana Jones fights von Braun in the new movie. Or maybe that was the original plot and they changed it? No idea. But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement. Anyway, whether or not that last is the case, it is really funny that in the trailer Harrison Ford's head is clearly CGI'ed on the rider of a bucking horse.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @silviosilver

    But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.

    If that’s not the plot, bro, please, don’t give them any ideas.

    Or, on the other hand, do – maybe the shock therapy of immanentizing the eschaton will accelerate us through and past this most horrific phase of western cultural decadence.

    To that end, how’s about a “Back To The Future” remake, in which Marty’s mom goes back in time to accuse George McFly of peeping=rape? But on returning back to the present she realizes it means her beloved Marty was never born, so she gets the idea of going back in time again to collect a semen sample before she launches into the rape accusations. She has a problem, though – the Delorean is out of fuel, and the ‘mad scientist’ professor never started work on a time machine because he was imprisoned for ‘rape,’ along with most other white males. She has no choice but to recruit among the no-longer-so-hidden-figure black women now holding down the physics professorships…

    Is there more than one?

    It’s like you’ve never watched Highlander.

    • Replies: @A123
    @silviosilver



    But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.
     
    If that’s not the plot, bro, please, don’t give them any ideas.
     
    Songbird is not providing ideas. The time travel arc will result in:

    • Young Indy being killed
    • Current continuity being erased
    • Apprentice "Girl Power" chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)

    Multiple sources have suggested this is how they are replacing Harrison Ford with an SJW version of Indette Jones (pronounced "In Debt"?).

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @songbird
    @silviosilver


    To that end, how’s about a “Back To The Future” remake, in which Marty’s mom goes back in time to accuse George McFly of peeping=rape?
     
    Robert Zemeckis is apparently one of the rare people to come out of Hollywood with some principles, and he has said there will be no remakes while he is alive.

    Which is almost a shame because I am really curious about what sort of extreme trash they would turn a new movie into. I was thinking it would be something along the lines of Marty setting his mother up with one the members of that black band, and thereafter him becoming a lesbian mulatta.

    I still remember that scene where Marty tries to return to his house in the bad timeline, and he finds it is filled with blacks.

    Once, when I was teenager, I was coming out of my friend's house, and much to my surprise, I saw blacks right in his yard using his barbecue grill. Apparently, his father had given them permission, but I did not even know that the new neighbors were black, so it was a surprise to me and to my friend.

    It’s like you’ve never seen Highlander.
     
    lol

    Replies: @sudden death

  139. Sher Singh says:

    Outright close to 70% of young women –
    the only demographic of import in a popularity contest.

    The black sash is a dagger baldric.

  140. Sher Singh says:
    @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    All the Dharmic faiths & Zoroastrians ultimately come from Panjab.
     
    Not only that. Panjab also gave us the Gypsies, that have so much enriched European musical culture.

    No Aryan cuts his hair – look at the Gods.
     
    Good point. But I don't think the Gods wipe their rears either. I hesitate to ask you the personal question that this brings to my mind though.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    You’re used to bowing so you must be familiar with a rear end.
    A basque sized contingent arrives in both North America & the EU each year, each.

    What’re you even arguing about? That I should feel inferior to ‘white men’?
    There are no white no-go zones in the EU.

  141. How Islam created Benjamin Netanyahu. (1)

    on July 4, 1976. On that day nearly 50 years ago, Israel carried out a stunning mission at the Entebbe Airport in Uganda. A week earlier, a few terrorists, four of them, had hijacked a flight of 248 passengers that were headed from Tel Aviv to Paris. They landed the plane in Entebbe and held the passengers hostage, separating the Israelis out from everyone else, while demanding the release of 53 Palestinian terrorists, many of whom were hardened murderers in Israeli prisons. Their terms were clear. If Israel refused, the hijackers promised to kill the Israeli passengers.

    After a week of planning, Israel’s most elite unit, Sayeret Matkal, carried out a mission to rescue those hostages. And miraculously, almost all of the hostages were rescued alive. The New York Times called it an operation with “no precedent in military history.” Israel lost one soldier in that operation, a 30-year-old unit commander named Yoni Netanyahu.

    The only thing I could think of at that point was that I didn’t want the news to reach my parents through the media. My father was teaching at Cornell University at that time, and I was in Boston, so I made my way through seven hours of indescribable anguish to Ithaca, New York. I walked up the path to my parents house. There was a big glazed window in the front of the house, and I could see my father marching back and forth, his hands clasped behind his back in his typical thoughtful ruminations. All of a sudden, he looked at me. He saw me and he said, with a look of surprise, “Bibi, what are you doing here?” Then he saw my face and he understood immediately. He let out a cry like a wounded animal, and then I heard my mother scream. That was actually worse than hearing about Yoni’s death; it was like a second death.

    Offering up counter stories does nothing to undo the pain that Muslim colonists have inflicted on indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.commonsense.news/p/bibis-back-a-conversation-with-israels

  142. @silviosilver
    @songbird


    But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.
     
    If that's not the plot, bro, please, don't give them any ideas.

    Or, on the other hand, do - maybe the shock therapy of immanentizing the eschaton will accelerate us through and past this most horrific phase of western cultural decadence.

    To that end, how's about a "Back To The Future" remake, in which Marty's mom goes back in time to accuse George McFly of peeping=rape? But on returning back to the present she realizes it means her beloved Marty was never born, so she gets the idea of going back in time again to collect a semen sample before she launches into the rape accusations. She has a problem, though - the Delorean is out of fuel, and the 'mad scientist' professor never started work on a time machine because he was imprisoned for 'rape,' along with most other white males. She has no choice but to recruit among the no-longer-so-hidden-figure black women now holding down the physics professorships...


    Is there more than one?
     
    It's like you've never watched Highlander.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.

    If that’s not the plot, bro, please, don’t give them any ideas.

    Songbird is not providing ideas. The time travel arc will result in:

    • Young Indy being killed
    • Current continuity being erased
    • Apprentice “Girl Power” chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)

    Multiple sources have suggested this is how they are replacing Harrison Ford with an SJW version of Indette Jones (pronounced “In Debt”?).

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123


    Apprentice “Girl Power” chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)
     
    It has been done already many times before;)

    https://www.joblo.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/lara-croft-tomb-raider-1280x720.jpg

    But maybe they should do a crossmix Indiana Jones/Lara Croft movie like Alien/Predator?

    Replies: @A123

  143. @A123
    @German_reader



    it is from the other side, in order to make Trump look bad.
     
    Sounds vastly more plausible, how stupid would one have to be to think that associating with Kanye (who’s probably quite literally mentally ill) will help Trump getting re-elected? It would repel many normal voters, the A123 types
     
    The set-up was not arranged "by the other side" per say. It was simple, sideless attention theatrics. The suspect has been rousted:

     
    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/05/232e7e03-1fcf-4ba3-b38a-30d7bcb87d38-640x427.jpg
     

    Milo Yiannopoulos had his 15 minutes of fame ages ago and has been relegated to the dust bin of history. Fuentes is also a Z-List attention whore.
    ___

    The entire story has no traction.

    Kanye and Trump have met before, so the dinner after Ye did something stupid does not move the needle among normal voters. Anyone whose vote was tied to the Trump/Kanye's connection was already locked.

    Fuentes is a nobody like Milo. Being at a dinner table with someone you do not know? Again, does not move the needle among normal voters, such as myself.
    ___

    Even then, perhaps there might have been minor ongoing issues. Then Trump was 100% rescued and the blight was purged. The SwampFather, Mitch McConnell, lurched forth from the bowels of Washington's sewers to be outraged: (1)


    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., appeared to take aim at former President Donald Trump on Tuesday over his decision to host Ye and white supremacist Nick Fuentes for dinner last week at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida.

     

    The guy with only a 7% favorable rating is giving Trump hard time (2).

    It is not sticking. One can reasonably assume that 93% either back Trump or do not care about the dinner.
    ___

    So the scorecard is:

    • Was it a unwise? Yes.
    • Will it have a lasting negative impact? No.
    • Is there a silver lining? Yes.

    Trump's campaign staff has now expanded its coverages to "all meetings" instead of only campaign encounters. This minor issue has slammed the door shut on cheap ambush methodology.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-condemns-trump-dinner-white-195652958.html

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/14/record-low-7-voters-view-mitch-mcconnell-favorably/

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Trump’s campaign staff has now expanded its coverages to “all meetings” instead of only campaign encounters. This minor issue has slammed the door shut on cheap ambush methodology.

    I agree. As I said at another site, better it happened now than a year from now.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @silviosilver


    Isn’t that supposed be an ideal point for space-based solar facilities?
     
    Haha, yes, that would actually be much closer to geostationary orbit, but still overshooting it by quite a distance.
  144. @silviosilver
    @songbird


    But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.
     
    If that's not the plot, bro, please, don't give them any ideas.

    Or, on the other hand, do - maybe the shock therapy of immanentizing the eschaton will accelerate us through and past this most horrific phase of western cultural decadence.

    To that end, how's about a "Back To The Future" remake, in which Marty's mom goes back in time to accuse George McFly of peeping=rape? But on returning back to the present she realizes it means her beloved Marty was never born, so she gets the idea of going back in time again to collect a semen sample before she launches into the rape accusations. She has a problem, though - the Delorean is out of fuel, and the 'mad scientist' professor never started work on a time machine because he was imprisoned for 'rape,' along with most other white males. She has no choice but to recruit among the no-longer-so-hidden-figure black women now holding down the physics professorships...


    Is there more than one?
     
    It's like you've never watched Highlander.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    To that end, how’s about a “Back To The Future” remake, in which Marty’s mom goes back in time to accuse George McFly of peeping=rape?

    Robert Zemeckis is apparently one of the rare people to come out of Hollywood with some principles, and he has said there will be no remakes while he is alive.

    Which is almost a shame because I am really curious about what sort of extreme trash they would turn a new movie into. I was thinking it would be something along the lines of Marty setting his mother up with one the members of that black band, and thereafter him becoming a lesbian mulatta.

    I still remember that scene where Marty tries to return to his house in the bad timeline, and he finds it is filled with blacks.

    Once, when I was teenager, I was coming out of my friend’s house, and much to my surprise, I saw blacks right in his yard using his barbecue grill. Apparently, his father had given them permission, but I did not even know that the new neighbors were black, so it was a surprise to me and to my friend.

    It’s like you’ve never seen Highlander.

    lol

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird


    Robert Zemeckis is apparently one of the rare people to come out of Hollywood with some principles, and he has said there will be no remakes while he is alive.
     
    Probably it's some racist Eastern European Lithuanian recessive gene from his dad at fault, lol

    Bit offtopic, but imho his most ageless movie seem to be "Death Becomes Her" (1992) and got only more relevant over the years considering all the increasing plastic surgery mania:


    And while on the surface, the movie seems to poke fun at the prospect (and consequences) of eternal life, it's actually much more than that – a study in the ugliness of envy and revenge and a bleak indictment of the pointlessness of existence.

    And that may be exactly the point Zemeckis is trying to make in Death Becomes Her. People are heartless, life is pointless, and we're all destined to end up broken and shattered, so maybe we should just laugh it up as much as we can as we go through it. As Lisle says, "Sempre vive!" Just make sure you're smiling when you do.
     

    https://collider.com/death-becomes-her-funniest-film-with-darkest-message/

    Above review is not recommended to read if somebody has not seen the film, it is full of spoilers!

    Replies: @songbird

  145. @silviosilver
    @A123


    Trump’s campaign staff has now expanded its coverages to “all meetings” instead of only campaign encounters. This minor issue has slammed the door shut on cheap ambush methodology.
     
    I agree. As I said at another site, better it happened now than a year from now.

    Replies: @songbird

    Isn’t that supposed be an ideal point for space-based solar facilities?

    Haha, yes, that would actually be much closer to geostationary orbit, but still overshooting it by quite a distance.

  146. @A123
    @silviosilver



    But he supposedly time travels and somehow eliminates his old self, leading to a diverse lady replacement.
     
    If that’s not the plot, bro, please, don’t give them any ideas.
     
    Songbird is not providing ideas. The time travel arc will result in:

    • Young Indy being killed
    • Current continuity being erased
    • Apprentice "Girl Power" chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)

    Multiple sources have suggested this is how they are replacing Harrison Ford with an SJW version of Indette Jones (pronounced "In Debt"?).

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

    Apprentice “Girl Power” chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)

    It has been done already many times before;)

    But maybe they should do a crossmix Indiana Jones/Lara Croft movie like Alien/Predator?

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death



    Apprentice “Girl Power” chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)
     
    It has been done already many times before;)
     
    You illustrate Tomb Raider and Hunger Games. The original works had female heroes, this is functional. Resident Evil and Buffy the Vampire Slayer also worked with female leads.

    The problem is forcing uninteresting gender swaps. How is Jodie Whittaker doing as the first female Doctor Who?

    Unappealing bull dykes also fail on screen, even with female audiences. The Birds of Prey TV series had wide appeal even though it was not renewed (left). The movie was a fiasco (right).

     
    https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/birds-of-prey-tv-show-vs-movie.jpg
     

    Mia Sara as Harley Quinn had huge potential. Dr. Harleen Quinzel is a full fledged MD Psychiatrist before meeting The Joker.

     
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/e/ee/Harleen_Quinzel_Birds_of_Prey_0001.jpg
     

    This is a professional, trained in running mind games. Then, she goes bad. The stuff that credible & interesting villains are made from.


    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

  147. Back to a positive note.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CllKEMVgASn/?hl=en

    Gonna go lift,

    let’s all go do that.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

  148. @songbird
    @silviosilver


    To that end, how’s about a “Back To The Future” remake, in which Marty’s mom goes back in time to accuse George McFly of peeping=rape?
     
    Robert Zemeckis is apparently one of the rare people to come out of Hollywood with some principles, and he has said there will be no remakes while he is alive.

    Which is almost a shame because I am really curious about what sort of extreme trash they would turn a new movie into. I was thinking it would be something along the lines of Marty setting his mother up with one the members of that black band, and thereafter him becoming a lesbian mulatta.

    I still remember that scene where Marty tries to return to his house in the bad timeline, and he finds it is filled with blacks.

    Once, when I was teenager, I was coming out of my friend's house, and much to my surprise, I saw blacks right in his yard using his barbecue grill. Apparently, his father had given them permission, but I did not even know that the new neighbors were black, so it was a surprise to me and to my friend.

    It’s like you’ve never seen Highlander.
     
    lol

    Replies: @sudden death

    Robert Zemeckis is apparently one of the rare people to come out of Hollywood with some principles, and he has said there will be no remakes while he is alive.

    Probably it’s some racist Eastern European Lithuanian recessive gene from his dad at fault, lol

    Bit offtopic, but imho his most ageless movie seem to be “Death Becomes Her” (1992) and got only more relevant over the years considering all the increasing plastic surgery mania:

    And while on the surface, the movie seems to poke fun at the prospect (and consequences) of eternal life, it’s actually much more than that – a study in the ugliness of envy and revenge and a bleak indictment of the pointlessness of existence.

    And that may be exactly the point Zemeckis is trying to make in Death Becomes Her. People are heartless, life is pointless, and we’re all destined to end up broken and shattered, so maybe we should just laugh it up as much as we can as we go through it. As Lisle says, “Sempre vive!” Just make sure you’re smiling when you do.

    https://collider.com/death-becomes-her-funniest-film-with-darkest-message/

    Above review is not recommended to read if somebody has not seen the film, it is full of spoilers!

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death


    his most ageless movie seem to be “Death Becomes Her” (1992)
     
    Did see it quite a long time ago. Believe it or not, I was actuallly thinking about it when there were those posts about plastic surgery.

    Speaking of which, you may laugh, not 100% sure it is plastic, but I've always thought Angeline Jolie didn't look fully European. I had heard Voight was her father, but assumed he had married some sort of SE Asian, maybe a Cambodian and she was a happa, or at least that her mother had been one. She definitely seems to have a touch of exoticism in the face. Maybe that is the Slav in her? She might possibly have a tiny bit of Amerind, but if so, I don't think it shows. In particular, I would say her lips don't look real to me.
  149. @German_reader
    @songbird


    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.
     
    They're probably just going to reinforce it, the only difference will be that the Soviets (meaning Russians collectively) are also cast as villains, the Tim Snyder view of history. I've also noticed that the claims about German depravity seem to be getting more outlandish with increasing distance of time, there are now African and Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like "the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths", which just seems like a bizarrely inflated number, even if you count the entire Pacific war. The subtext is of course clear enough, there will be no absolution ever, and that history will be used by recent immigrants (without personal connection to WW2) as a weapon against ethnic Germans.
    Ireland's recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland's history.

    Replies: @songbird, @Yahya, @Barbarossa, @Matra

    pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.

    Ireland’s history has nothing to do with it, which is rather the point. When people buy global multi-cult capitalism they have no history anymore. It’s truly a break in the continuity and history is utterly irrelevant.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    They don't buy it, their institutions do (Church). Having or being an elite ain't enough.
    You need institutions which provide social goods & extract loyalty.

    Also much easier for farmers & herders to rebel than salaryman & bureaucrats.
    Hinterland America ain't fallen so I wouldn't be doomerish about Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    Historically Republic of Ireland was the most left-wing country of Western Europe, until around in the 1990s the leaders have changed to become a capitalist tax-haven. It is a kind of Faustian experience where their bankers have sold their left-wing soul to international capitalism. But their left-wing tradition continues like a parallel culture with the local population.

    So, now they have the divided reality, where the left-wing traditions continue with the local people, but the country's economy is developed by compromise with the most cynical capitalism - a tax haven.

    The tax haven strategy was successful to attract a lot of the world's best corporations to open offices in Republic of Ireland, which has become a mass fashion in the 21st century as they reduce their tax costs by vast billions of dollars.

    On the other hand, the education system was historically weak in Ireland, so there were not a good number of local workers that can be hired for many industries (e.g. engineers).

    Many multinational companies are trying to re-invest to improve the education system in Ireland. There is constant funding and scholarships to the local education. But most of the skilled workers will have to import from outside. Local youth are usually less nerds there as the culture, and the youth that smoke so much cannabis you can smell from on the other part of the road.

    So, it becomes a bit eccentric, where most of the skilled workers in the country's most productive industries, are foreign immigrants. Maybe it's not like the engineers in Qatar or UAE, but the local culture is a bit disconnected from the corporations.

    It's still good for the local Irish people, as many young people with relatively low qualifications, are recruited for not cleaning jobs, by the international corporations. The same young people in Russia, will be working in fast food restaurants. And the even most good qualified young people in Russia, will have many times more difficulty to begin an acceptable career.

    You can see with Ireland, there is very easy opportunity relative to the qualifications of the youth - the 23 year old girl with undergraduate for postcolonial studies, and a masters in science in “digital media”, begin working as ui/ux designer for a corporation with multinational dimensions and will have opportunity to climb to different areas in their career. In Russia, the 23 year olds with computer science masters in science, is fighting all the highly qualified people from very competent workers, to begin for $800 a month, in a company where they won't have many places to climb.

  150. @sudden death
    @A123


    Apprentice “Girl Power” chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)
     
    It has been done already many times before;)

    https://www.joblo.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/lara-croft-tomb-raider-1280x720.jpg

    But maybe they should do a crossmix Indiana Jones/Lara Croft movie like Alien/Predator?

    Replies: @A123

    Apprentice “Girl Power” chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)

    It has been done already many times before;)

    You illustrate Tomb Raider and Hunger Games. The original works had female heroes, this is functional. Resident Evil and Buffy the Vampire Slayer also worked with female leads.

    The problem is forcing uninteresting gender swaps. How is Jodie Whittaker doing as the first female Doctor Who?

    Unappealing bull dykes also fail on screen, even with female audiences. The Birds of Prey TV series had wide appeal even though it was not renewed (left). The movie was a fiasco (right).

      

    Mia Sara as Harley Quinn had huge potential. Dr. Harleen Quinzel is a full fledged MD Psychiatrist before meeting The Joker.

      

    This is a professional, trained in running mind games. Then, she goes bad. The stuff that credible & interesting villains are made from.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123


    You illustrate Tomb Raider and Hunger Games.
     
    Minor correction - female with arrows is not from Hunger games, it's a reboot of Lara Croft, haven't seen it myself though.
  151. @A123
    @sudden death



    Apprentice “Girl Power” chick archeologist becoming the hero(ine)
     
    It has been done already many times before;)
     
    You illustrate Tomb Raider and Hunger Games. The original works had female heroes, this is functional. Resident Evil and Buffy the Vampire Slayer also worked with female leads.

    The problem is forcing uninteresting gender swaps. How is Jodie Whittaker doing as the first female Doctor Who?

    Unappealing bull dykes also fail on screen, even with female audiences. The Birds of Prey TV series had wide appeal even though it was not renewed (left). The movie was a fiasco (right).

     
    https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/birds-of-prey-tv-show-vs-movie.jpg
     

    Mia Sara as Harley Quinn had huge potential. Dr. Harleen Quinzel is a full fledged MD Psychiatrist before meeting The Joker.

     
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/e/ee/Harleen_Quinzel_Birds_of_Prey_0001.jpg
     

    This is a professional, trained in running mind games. Then, she goes bad. The stuff that credible & interesting villains are made from.


    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

    You illustrate Tomb Raider and Hunger Games.

    Minor correction – female with arrows is not from Hunger games, it’s a reboot of Lara Croft, haven’t seen it myself though.

    • Thanks: A123
  152. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader


    pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.
     
    Ireland's history has nothing to do with it, which is rather the point. When people buy global multi-cult capitalism they have no history anymore. It's truly a break in the continuity and history is utterly irrelevant.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Dmitry

    They don’t buy it, their institutions do (Church). Having or being an elite ain’t enough.
    You need institutions which provide social goods & extract loyalty.

    Also much easier for farmers & herders to rebel than salaryman & bureaucrats.
    Hinterland America ain’t fallen so I wouldn’t be doomerish about Europe.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Sher Singh


    Hinterland America
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phvpFNUx5Hg&t=44s

    Is that any worse than shitlibs keeping a straight face as they pretend a tranny is a real woman? At least shitlibs appeal to science to justify their values (they fail, but at least it's science they appeal to). Tongue speakers and faith healers, on the other hand...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh

  153. @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    They don't buy it, their institutions do (Church). Having or being an elite ain't enough.
    You need institutions which provide social goods & extract loyalty.

    Also much easier for farmers & herders to rebel than salaryman & bureaucrats.
    Hinterland America ain't fallen so I wouldn't be doomerish about Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Hinterland America

    Is that any worse than shitlibs keeping a straight face as they pretend a tranny is a real woman? At least shitlibs appeal to science to justify their values (they fail, but at least it’s science they appeal to). Tongue speakers and faith healers, on the other hand…

    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @silviosilver


    shitlibs keeping a straight face as they pretend a tranny is a real woman
     
    IMO, a man who thinks that he is a woman deserves the same treatment as a man thinking that he is Julius Caesar or Napoleon. Those who think that these men should be treated differently need to see the same psychiatrist.
    , @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040104857660555284/1048894931890098206/image.png

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

  154. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like “the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths”,
     
    If Arab-German MPs are speaking that way regarding Nazi Germany, they have learnt to ape the Western liberals from whom they take their queues. It’s a sign of assimilation to their host society, if perhaps in a way you disapprove of. Very few in the Arab world speak that way, you’re probably more likely to hear positive references to the anti-Semitic regime if anything.

    On a somewhat related note, a few months ago I was talking to an acquaintance whose parents got her an internship with this Egyptian member of the Bundestag: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Radwan

    I remember laughing inside at the thought of this Egyptian girl, who lived all her life in Egypt and was culturally socialized as an Arab, serving a professional function in the German parliament (though she held German citizenship through her [ethnic] German father and had some Germanic facial features). She was pretty daft so she definitely got her internship through Middle Eastern-style personal connections, her father apparently is some sort of import/export merchant (read: arms dealer) with lots of connections; though she was fairly interesting and sociable, which is no doubt helpful in politics.

    Also I just browsed through a list of Bundestag members and was surprised at the relatively large numbers of Turkish and Arab names I came across. Some website mentioned nearly 11% of German MPs were of immigrant background (either 1st or 2nd gen), though that was less than the 24% figure for Germany at large. I thought Arabs and Turks in Germany were a fairly apolitical and disorganized bunch. I saw comparatively fewer African and Asian names or faces when I was going through the list.

    Also saw this headline:

    All of Germany's Muslim MPs voted in favour of same-sex marriage

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-chancellor-germany-same-sex-marriage-vote-lgbt-muslim-mps-berlin-bundestag-cdu-sdp-green-party-cem-ozdemir-ekin-deligoz-ozcan-mutlu-omid-nouripour-cemile-giousouf-a7819391.html
     
    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts

    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.

    At least in Britain there is a kind of ‘intersectional’ deal between Muslims and progressive white groups, LGBTQIA+, Feminists etc. Muslims groups provide electoral (and other kinds of) muscle for the progressives in exchange for their communities being tacitly exempt from progressive social and legal norms.

    Sher Singh mentioned it, but progressives used their influence to protect Muslim grooming and rape gangs for a couple of decades in exchange for the electoral and cultural support they brought to the British Labour Party.

    I used to think his posts were eccentric but A123 is probably just picking up on the same tendencies in the US.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Coconuts


    electoral (and other kinds of) muscle for the progressives in exchange for their communities being tacitly exempt from progressive social and legal norms.
     
    I think this is what Sher Singh means when he talks about "foederati".

    It's a dangerous bargain with the devil if you are actually wishing to maintain your traditional ways and norms as anything more than a "lifestyle". The progressives won't be satisfied without eventual assimilation and even a passive alignment with those values degrades the transmission of traditional norms and makes this process incremental and somewhat painless for those groups.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @A123
    @Coconuts


    kind of ‘intersectional’ deal between Muslims and progressive
    ...
    Sher Singh mentioned it, but progressives used their influence to protect Muslim grooming and rape gangs for a couple of decades in exchange for the electoral and cultural support they brought to the British Labour Party.

     
    The Bacha Bazi of Afghanistan is not a result of 'Westernization'. It existed long before Christianity got that far. When Pakis and Afghanis reach Europe, they behave as they did in their home countries. The difference is that they have easier prey. And, occasionally it is reported instead of being universally ignored.

    The Pakis in Rotherham displayed genuine Islamic behavior when they ran a grooming gang targeting underage girls. This is the same mind set that produced Balenciaga's recent ad campaign with BDSM teddy bears.

    The deal is not 'intersectional', it is based on commonalities as of culture. One wing of SJW Islam wants to be open about the belief. The other wants to keep it underground. The core values are the same.


    I used to think his posts were eccentric but A123 is probably just picking up on the same tendencies in the US.
     
    Can you name a major U.S. elected Muslim official who is not a full SJW believer? Look at the personal practices of these leaders. It is chock full of unsavory behaviour, the most notable being Ilhan Omar's relationship with her own brother.

    Every BLM event has their catch phrase emblazoned on multiple Pali flags. SJW Islam hates Judeo-Christian values here and abroad. A single, unified belief system is in play.

    Occasionally there are outlier exceptions, such as confrontations with school boards. Mehmet Oz is soft, but not an SJW. However, he lost. SJW Islam wanted the maximum activism that would accompany Fetterman.


    @Yahya

    Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism
     

    When writing, one needs clear shorthand that identifies the groups. Hopefully, the context of "SJW Islam" usage makes it clear that I am primarily focused on SJW Muslims who are an active threat to Judeo-Christians -- primarily Europe, America, and parts of the MENA region.

    For Europe and America, the obvious move to stop the bleeding is the same. Bringing the number of new Muslim immigrants to zero.

    Ending permanent residence and sending them home is a solution picking up momentum in some Europe nations, such as Sweden. Citizens who have converted to SJW Islam is a much harder issue, and a particular difficulty for the U.S.

    PEACE 😇

  155. @songbird
    @German_reader


    They’re probably just going to reinforce it
     
    This is quite possible. In a loose way, I would say that it has already happened with blacks in America and the UK. Of course, some of that insanity goes back quite a ways. But it seems like there has been some level of black memorialism, following Holocaust memorialism, as well as concerted attempts at narrative capture, following the previous narrative capture.

    I think Boston is actually a good example of this. It originally had something called the Freedom Trail about the Revolutionary War, that schoolkids were sent to. Now it has both a Holocaust memorial and black memorials, and the same people promoted both.

    The height of this is no doubt that Slavery Museum, which seems conceived by Blacula. They store jars of dirt there from every lynching of a black, whether he was a murderer and/or rapist (as many were). And the museum has baby memorials that it has given birth to, and which it holds, for placing on the site of all these lynchings.

    https://nieman.harvard.edu/stories/building-a-museum-with-jars-of-dirt-and-building-stories-from-the-ground-up/

    Ireland’s recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.
     
    Progressives everywhere in the West seem to have the same susceptibilities, and it is really disturbing to consider that there might not be any possibility of an immunization to the disease, based on national history or culture, but that it might be a combination of biology and environment, with little prospects of changing either.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Coconuts

    Progressives everywhere in the West seem to have the same susceptibilities, and it is really disturbing to consider that there might not be any possibility of an immunization to the disease, based on national history or culture, but that it might be a combination of biology and environment, with little prospects of changing either.

    It seems to have been predicted a long time ago. In France in the 1900s it was linked with democracy and the principles of 1789, but this often had some biological aspect. Democracy was linked with impotence, feminisation, sterility, depopulation, created to serve the interests of foreigners etc.

    This must be how Evola came up with what would have seemed like eccentric predictions linking democracy with hermaphroditism and negrification in the late 40s and early 50s.

    One powerful take I recently came across advocated an alliance between authoritarian monarchism and revolutionary syndicalism. The proletariat and the monarchy was supposed to unite to destroy the bourgeoisie and its civilisation (liberalism, democracy etc.) The book was made up of essays written in the 1900s and published just before the outbreak of WW1.

    It’s looking more like there was some truth in this tradition of thought, but it is pretty powerful and controversial, probably too radical and controversial to be directly useful now. Possibly some of the French progressive theorising after WW2 was directly inspired by and responding to this sort of thing.

    • Thanks: songbird
  156. @Coconuts
    @Yahya


    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.
     
    At least in Britain there is a kind of 'intersectional' deal between Muslims and progressive white groups, LGBTQIA+, Feminists etc. Muslims groups provide electoral (and other kinds of) muscle for the progressives in exchange for their communities being tacitly exempt from progressive social and legal norms.

    Sher Singh mentioned it, but progressives used their influence to protect Muslim grooming and rape gangs for a couple of decades in exchange for the electoral and cultural support they brought to the British Labour Party.

    I used to think his posts were eccentric but A123 is probably just picking up on the same tendencies in the US.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @A123

    electoral (and other kinds of) muscle for the progressives in exchange for their communities being tacitly exempt from progressive social and legal norms.

    I think this is what Sher Singh means when he talks about “foederati”.

    It’s a dangerous bargain with the devil if you are actually wishing to maintain your traditional ways and norms as anything more than a “lifestyle”. The progressives won’t be satisfied without eventual assimilation and even a passive alignment with those values degrades the transmission of traditional norms and makes this process incremental and somewhat painless for those groups.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    The progressives won’t be satisfied without eventual assimilation
     
    How would they enforce that? I don't think they can plausibly threaten large Islamic family clans with taking away their children if they don't allow them to be taught the virtues of LBGQTI+. Cutting welfare might also be problematic. There's always the threat of communal riots in the background, at least in Western Europe with its large compact immigrant communities (somewhat different situation from the US where recent immigrants have a different socioeconomic profile, or don't seem very riot-prone in the case of Mexicans).
    There'll probably still be quite a bit of assimilation into the ruling "liberalism", but also large parallel societies organized according to rather different values.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  157. @sudden death
    @songbird


    Robert Zemeckis is apparently one of the rare people to come out of Hollywood with some principles, and he has said there will be no remakes while he is alive.
     
    Probably it's some racist Eastern European Lithuanian recessive gene from his dad at fault, lol

    Bit offtopic, but imho his most ageless movie seem to be "Death Becomes Her" (1992) and got only more relevant over the years considering all the increasing plastic surgery mania:


    And while on the surface, the movie seems to poke fun at the prospect (and consequences) of eternal life, it's actually much more than that – a study in the ugliness of envy and revenge and a bleak indictment of the pointlessness of existence.

    And that may be exactly the point Zemeckis is trying to make in Death Becomes Her. People are heartless, life is pointless, and we're all destined to end up broken and shattered, so maybe we should just laugh it up as much as we can as we go through it. As Lisle says, "Sempre vive!" Just make sure you're smiling when you do.
     

    https://collider.com/death-becomes-her-funniest-film-with-darkest-message/

    Above review is not recommended to read if somebody has not seen the film, it is full of spoilers!

    Replies: @songbird

    his most ageless movie seem to be “Death Becomes Her” (1992)

    Did see it quite a long time ago. Believe it or not, I was actuallly thinking about it when there were those posts about plastic surgery.

    Speaking of which, you may laugh, not 100% sure it is plastic, but I’ve always thought Angeline Jolie didn’t look fully European. I had heard Voight was her father, but assumed he had married some sort of SE Asian, maybe a Cambodian and she was a happa, or at least that her mother had been one. She definitely seems to have a touch of exoticism in the face. Maybe that is the Slav in her? She might possibly have a tiny bit of Amerind, but if so, I don’t think it shows. In particular, I would say her lips don’t look real to me.

  158. Was Sajid Javid one of those candidates the inner Tory party foisted on some unenriched area?
    ______
    Many years ago, I recall seeing a fictional TV movie or miniseries about two Chinese brothers who had been involved in Tienanmen. They came to America as illegals, I think, and somehow became involved with the Triads.

    I remember this one scene which showed them voraciously eating eggs and rice to show how poor they were. Today, when a dozen eggs cost $7, instead of $1, they’d probably be catching bugs or strays or something.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    I suspect you're referencing his clapback("So what?") to Nigel Farage complaining that London is becoming minority White.

    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it? Predictably, Farage didn't respond.

    Farage's raising of the issue and his cowardly unwillingness to have the debate neatly sums up his entire career. Try to exploit nativist feelings but don't lift a finger to seriously do anything about it. Say what you will about Sajid, but at least he is consistent. He's always been open with his views. It's Farage who is doing the bait and switch.

    ---


    I think one problem that modern culture has with the Chinese brothers living in poverty example you mentioned, is that they would undermine a core premise of modern ideology. Namely, that poverty condemns everyone to perpetual inequality.

    "Povertism" is not new, of course, but my impression is that its hold has only gotten stronger as the West has gotten more diverse. It is actually quite remarkable to study 2nd-gen Chinese-American social mobility in New York. Many of the kids who grew up in Chinatown did so under what we would consider very materially poor circumstances yet their educational and professional outcomes are mostly excellent.

    It's one of those things that become ever-more inconvenient as time goes on and the sample size grows larger, and hence more irrefutable. So the "solution" is to in-before it by saying that even invoking them is a form of model minority myth-making, and hence inherently suspect and possibly racist. You can always count on conservative cowardice to enforce these leftist rules even as they bristle under them, because they dare not fundamentally question their underlying premise.

    The tired "democrats are the real racists" actually has some validity to it. I think conservative Whites are probably the least racist people in the world. They foolishingly try to own the liberals by working under their own premises, which is typically a sign of a loser.

    A real opposition should always work under its own frame of reference, but very few conservatives in the West fundamentally disagree with the dominant liberal assumptions. They just try to own liberals by using liberal talking points.

    Sometimes I feel like we should just label them "low-tax liberals".

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

  159. German_reader says:
    @Barbarossa
    @Coconuts


    electoral (and other kinds of) muscle for the progressives in exchange for their communities being tacitly exempt from progressive social and legal norms.
     
    I think this is what Sher Singh means when he talks about "foederati".

    It's a dangerous bargain with the devil if you are actually wishing to maintain your traditional ways and norms as anything more than a "lifestyle". The progressives won't be satisfied without eventual assimilation and even a passive alignment with those values degrades the transmission of traditional norms and makes this process incremental and somewhat painless for those groups.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The progressives won’t be satisfied without eventual assimilation

    How would they enforce that? I don’t think they can plausibly threaten large Islamic family clans with taking away their children if they don’t allow them to be taught the virtues of LBGQTI+. Cutting welfare might also be problematic. There’s always the threat of communal riots in the background, at least in Western Europe with its large compact immigrant communities (somewhat different situation from the US where recent immigrants have a different socioeconomic profile, or don’t seem very riot-prone in the case of Mexicans).
    There’ll probably still be quite a bit of assimilation into the ruling “liberalism”, but also large parallel societies organized according to rather different values.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    It's not necessary to enforce it through overt means, since after a couple generations it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain a separate identity. Such Foederati, as Sher Singh would call them, are useful in eliminating and diluting what the progressives see as native Euro's or American's negative traits. However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred "vibrant" communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.

    Progressive technocrats are like the Borg, ultimately it is always going to come down to, "assimilate or die".

    I think that the situation that Sher Singh and his Sikh brethren or Muslims will ultimately face is one similar to what has recently happened with Red America. The Republican electorate was shamelessly brainwashed and used for decades to enthusiastically forward a pro-corporate, anti-jobs, pro-security state, pro -American empire political agenda. All of these policies were actually undermining their position and once their usefulness was exhausted they have been cast aside to rot. Only now does the "Right" see that perhaps global corporations and the FBI are not their friends, but the realization is a little late to mean much.

    So if all the minorities want to try to play the system for gain they can try, but I think they will all be expected to kneel before a drag queen eventually. Once that realization fully hits it will probably be too late to really resist it with full strength.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Coconuts

  160. @Coconuts
    @Yahya


    Ties back to my previous comment of Muslims in Europe assimilating into Westoid liberalism. Perhaps A1233 had a point about “Islamic SJWism” after all. Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism”.
     
    At least in Britain there is a kind of 'intersectional' deal between Muslims and progressive white groups, LGBTQIA+, Feminists etc. Muslims groups provide electoral (and other kinds of) muscle for the progressives in exchange for their communities being tacitly exempt from progressive social and legal norms.

    Sher Singh mentioned it, but progressives used their influence to protect Muslim grooming and rape gangs for a couple of decades in exchange for the electoral and cultural support they brought to the British Labour Party.

    I used to think his posts were eccentric but A123 is probably just picking up on the same tendencies in the US.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @A123

    kind of ‘intersectional’ deal between Muslims and progressive

    Sher Singh mentioned it, but progressives used their influence to protect Muslim grooming and rape gangs for a couple of decades in exchange for the electoral and cultural support they brought to the British Labour Party.

    The Bacha Bazi of Afghanistan is not a result of ‘Westernization’. It existed long before Christianity got that far. When Pakis and Afghanis reach Europe, they behave as they did in their home countries. The difference is that they have easier prey. And, occasionally it is reported instead of being universally ignored.

    The Pakis in Rotherham displayed genuine Islamic behavior when they ran a grooming gang targeting underage girls. This is the same mind set that produced Balenciaga’s recent ad campaign with BDSM teddy bears.

    The deal is not ‘intersectional’, it is based on commonalities as of culture. One wing of SJW Islam wants to be open about the belief. The other wants to keep it underground. The core values are the same.

    I used to think his posts were eccentric but A123 is probably just picking up on the same tendencies in the US.

    Can you name a major U.S. elected Muslim official who is not a full SJW believer? Look at the personal practices of these leaders. It is chock full of unsavory behaviour, the most notable being Ilhan Omar’s relationship with her own brother.

    Every BLM event has their catch phrase emblazoned on multiple Pali flags. SJW Islam hates Judeo-Christian values here and abroad. A single, unified belief system is in play.

    Occasionally there are outlier exceptions, such as confrontations with school boards. Mehmet Oz is soft, but not an SJW. However, he lost. SJW Islam wanted the maximum activism that would accompany Fetterman.

    Though he should definitely confine that to “Euro-Islamic SJWism

    When writing, one needs clear shorthand that identifies the groups. Hopefully, the context of “SJW Islam” usage makes it clear that I am primarily focused on SJW Muslims who are an active threat to Judeo-Christians — primarily Europe, America, and parts of the MENA region.

    For Europe and America, the obvious move to stop the bleeding is the same. Bringing the number of new Muslim immigrants to zero.

    Ending permanent residence and sending them home is a solution picking up momentum in some Europe nations, such as Sweden. Citizens who have converted to SJW Islam is a much harder issue, and a particular difficulty for the U.S.

    PEACE 😇

  161. @silviosilver
    @Sher Singh


    Hinterland America
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phvpFNUx5Hg&t=44s

    Is that any worse than shitlibs keeping a straight face as they pretend a tranny is a real woman? At least shitlibs appeal to science to justify their values (they fail, but at least it's science they appeal to). Tongue speakers and faith healers, on the other hand...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh

    shitlibs keeping a straight face as they pretend a tranny is a real woman

    IMO, a man who thinks that he is a woman deserves the same treatment as a man thinking that he is Julius Caesar or Napoleon. Those who think that these men should be treated differently need to see the same psychiatrist.

  162. Have Western leaders thought through this latest move to cap the price of Russian oil and enforce it worldwide through Western insurance companies or is this going to hit us all again like a ton of bricks at the pump and the grocery stores?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Have Western leaders thought through this latest move to cap the price of Russian oil and enforce it worldwide through Western insurance companies or is this going to hit us all again like a ton of bricks at the pump and the grocery stores?
     
    The latter is about to happen. Here is the view from The Economist:
    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/11/30/the-wests-proposed-price-cap-on-russian-oil-is-no-magic-weapon

    Nothing new, though. The EU introduced umpteenth packet of sanctions against Russia. Net result: Russian cities shine at night like a Christmas tree in a rich house, whereas Europe in in darkness. Europe is preparing for worse times. Switzerland is even planning to ban EVs and limit the temperature at which you can launder your clothes to save electricity. As Russian saying puts it, that’s how you teach the fools.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

  163. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    This video clip from your favorite news service is not encouraging:

    https://youtu.be/_Z68txP3XCc

    Leads with "Russian" rather than "Soviet." A lot of terms employed seem designed to conflate: Kremlin, Moscow. Ends with a call to supply weapons and seemingly never compromise, in order to prevent another genocide.

    And, of course, the Green Party, a most evil group, seem to be leading the charge. Watching this may have changed my mind. Signs of good things coming from this are actually not looking very likely.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m going to reply to both comments #109 and #110, as they’re both related and very much a continuation of the same matter.

    I also feel that your definition of consensus is a bit unseemly, like something coined by a political scientist, or group of them.

    The definition was retrieved upon googling in for the definition of “consensus”, specifically within a portal answering the question “can “consensus” be quantified. It was somewhat coined probably by some political scientists (and other researchers) and based as a conglomerate term taken from 25 separate studies. It’s probably as good as any definition, for this is the kind of thing that political scientists do for a living. Why, do you have a better definition?

    I have observed some negative precedent about these types of narratives firsthand, and I think it’s pretty fair to say now that the negative effects have a geographic scope extending far beyond Germany at this point.

    I’d b interested in hearing more about what causes you some sort of fear on your part (at least some sort of anxiety) and how the German experience might negatively effect the Ukrainian one?

    Really, Germany has quite a lot of its own problems, without politicians pretending to be historians or take up some external moral narrative.

    Unless you can show me how the time spent on such an important topic (you do agree that it’s an important topic?) has somehow impinged on the German parliaments ability to handle more crucial internal German topics, I’ll remain unsympathetic to your call for expediency. Also, you’ll have to admit that Germany and Ukraine, though not sharing borders, do indeed cohabit the same European space and therefore what is being done there is quite normal and should have been addressed much sooner. Better late than never.

    Leads with “Russian” rather than “Soviet.” A lot of terms employed seem designed to conflate: Kremlin, Moscow. Ends with a call to supply weapons and seemingly never compromise, in order to prevent another genocide.

    And, of course, the Green Party, a most evil group, seem to be leading the charge.

    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you’ve included. It’s the interpretation and underlying of the message expressed within that I find to be accurate and historical that should be weighed as to its relative value. As for the Green party’s input, I would consider this a case where a “most evil group” does a good thing, whereas not supporting the new German measures may very well be a case where “good people” for whatever reason do a bad thing.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you’ve included.
     
    It's a distortion though to view Holodomor purely or primarily through a national lens, the Soviet regime also waged war against peasants in Russia and against pastoralists in places like Kazakhstan. This is about weaponizing history (and by now it's pretty old history, virtually everyone involved is dead) for present-day purposes, not about getting at historical truth (insofar as that's ever possible).
    And anyway, I doubt these measures will do Ukraine much good given the current situation. I have to admit I'm always veering between thinking that Ukraine has no chance of outright defeating Russia or that there's a danger of a battle for Crimea leading to nuclear escalation...but right now the former looks more likely again, given how Russia seems to be able to demolish so much of Ukrainian infrastructure. I just hope people like MacGregor are full of shit and wrong in their claims that there'll be a major Russian ground offensive in the coming months.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Why, do you have a better definition?
     
    I'd prefer a simple accounting of votes. That would be precise and neutral language.

    you do agree that it’s an important topic?
     
    I once had an idea that there be some yearlong class about communism, kind of a companion to Civics, which is supposed to be about explaining how the American system works. At least, I think it would fit comfortably in the k-12 system, which I am a critic of, if the fat were trimmed. Of course, the German system is different.

    But the tone of language doesn't seem about educating about the perils of communism. And I don't expect that the German system is even capable of acknowledging basic truths, about the history of communism, such as the membership roll of the communist party in the '30s, when the Holodomor was perpetrated.


    Unless you can show me how the time spent on such an important topic has somehow impinged on the German parliaments ability to handle more crucial internal German topics
     
    An obstacle to that is that they are a den of scoundrels, and I don't think highly of their abilities. The same could be said for the Irish parliament which had earlier approved similar measures.

    But philosophically a lot can be said for forms. How can these parliaments be good advocates for Ukrainians, when they are perpetually such poor advocates for their own people? I think that they should try to develop and keep a tradition of caring for their own people.

    They are both facing an immigration crisis, and an energy crisis. Ireland has a major housing crisis. Not a minor one. But a really major one. To some extent, my mother grew up in public housing - that is housing built to be affordable for families, under a nationalist system of looking out for your own people. That seems to be dead now, and, in all probably she would never have been born under the current system, which serves foreigners first, and is designed for single bugmen, nor any of her children or grandchildren.


    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you’ve included.
     
    these people are supposed to be journalists. They are supposed to be professional and unbiased and to know that Russia and the USSR were two different countries, with different political systems, but they are intentionally conflating them, in order to try to make the Holodomor a tool for bashing Russia, for avoiding any compromise or negotiation, however sensible, for unnecessarily killing tens of thousands of Slavs, or perhaps even more, by prolonging the conflict.

    I wouldn't say that they are friends of Ukraine, though they are probably narcissistic enough to think so.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  164. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm going to reply to both comments #109 and #110, as they're both related and very much a continuation of the same matter.


    I also feel that your definition of consensus is a bit unseemly, like something coined by a political scientist, or group of them.
     
    The definition was retrieved upon googling in for the definition of "consensus", specifically within a portal answering the question "can "consensus" be quantified. It was somewhat coined probably by some political scientists (and other researchers) and based as a conglomerate term taken from 25 separate studies. It's probably as good as any definition, for this is the kind of thing that political scientists do for a living. Why, do you have a better definition?

    I have observed some negative precedent about these types of narratives firsthand, and I think it’s pretty fair to say now that the negative effects have a geographic scope extending far beyond Germany at this point.
     
    I'd b interested in hearing more about what causes you some sort of fear on your part (at least some sort of anxiety) and how the German experience might negatively effect the Ukrainian one?

    Really, Germany has quite a lot of its own problems, without politicians pretending to be historians or take up some external moral narrative.
     
    Unless you can show me how the time spent on such an important topic (you do agree that it's an important topic?) has somehow impinged on the German parliaments ability to handle more crucial internal German topics, I'll remain unsympathetic to your call for expediency. Also, you'll have to admit that Germany and Ukraine, though not sharing borders, do indeed cohabit the same European space and therefore what is being done there is quite normal and should have been addressed much sooner. Better late than never.

    Leads with “Russian” rather than “Soviet.” A lot of terms employed seem designed to conflate: Kremlin, Moscow. Ends with a call to supply weapons and seemingly never compromise, in order to prevent another genocide.

    And, of course, the Green Party, a most evil group, seem to be leading the charge.
     

    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you've included. It's the interpretation and underlying of the message expressed within that I find to be accurate and historical that should be weighed as to its relative value. As for the Green party's input, I would consider this a case where a "most evil group" does a good thing, whereas not supporting the new German measures may very well be a case where "good people" for whatever reason do a bad thing.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you’ve included.

    It’s a distortion though to view Holodomor purely or primarily through a national lens, the Soviet regime also waged war against peasants in Russia and against pastoralists in places like Kazakhstan. This is about weaponizing history (and by now it’s pretty old history, virtually everyone involved is dead) for present-day purposes, not about getting at historical truth (insofar as that’s ever possible).
    And anyway, I doubt these measures will do Ukraine much good given the current situation. I have to admit I’m always veering between thinking that Ukraine has no chance of outright defeating Russia or that there’s a danger of a battle for Crimea leading to nuclear escalation…but right now the former looks more likely again, given how Russia seems to be able to demolish so much of Ukrainian infrastructure. I just hope people like MacGregor are full of shit and wrong in their claims that there’ll be a major Russian ground offensive in the coming months.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    It’s a distortion though to view Holodomor purely or primarily through a national lens, the Soviet regime also waged war against peasants in Russia and against pastoralists in places like Kazakhstan.
     
    I could be wrong, however, I don't think that the destruction of the intelligentsia and the clergy of other countries within the Soviet Union, was nearly so drastic as within Ukraine. The similarities ended at the economic destruction of these countries, as the kremlin elites were very interested in collecting foodstuffs in order to sell these items to raise more money for more of their sordid plans. Otherwise, one could view these similar events in other countries as further examples of genocide. You couldn't possibly think that Lemkin made these accusations in the Ukrainian case of the Holodomor based on his inability to be objective and due to his myopic view seen through a "national lens", as he was himself a Polish Jew?

    but right now the former looks more likely again, given how Russia seems to be able to demolish so much of Ukrainian infrastructure.
     
    You're right about Russia's pernicious actions within Ukraine and the further destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure. Here are some current photos of the destruction of Bakhmut by Russian bombing, that's been fought over for several weeks now. Fortunately it's a small town, that has yet not been taken and indicates the slow motion of the Russian advance in the area:

    https://war.ukraine.ua/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/0f500000-0aff-0242-511c-08da496b55ac_w1597_n_st-1024x576.png
    Another school detroyed by Russian forces in Bakhmut. The price t pay for creating the new Russian World within Ukraine?

    https://amayei.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/2022/07/inbound6047821100701164335-780x470.jpg
    Bakkhmut, possibly another Russian "trophy" within Ukraine - looks a lot like Mariupol.,

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  165. @songbird
    Was Sajid Javid one of those candidates the inner Tory party foisted on some unenriched area?
    ______
    Many years ago, I recall seeing a fictional TV movie or miniseries about two Chinese brothers who had been involved in Tienanmen. They came to America as illegals, I think, and somehow became involved with the Triads.

    I remember this one scene which showed them voraciously eating eggs and rice to show how poor they were. Today, when a dozen eggs cost $7, instead of $1, they'd probably be catching bugs or strays or something.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    I suspect you’re referencing his clapback(“So what?”) to Nigel Farage complaining that London is becoming minority White.

    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it? Predictably, Farage didn’t respond.

    Farage’s raising of the issue and his cowardly unwillingness to have the debate neatly sums up his entire career. Try to exploit nativist feelings but don’t lift a finger to seriously do anything about it. Say what you will about Sajid, but at least he is consistent. He’s always been open with his views. It’s Farage who is doing the bait and switch.

    I think one problem that modern culture has with the Chinese brothers living in poverty example you mentioned, is that they would undermine a core premise of modern ideology. Namely, that poverty condemns everyone to perpetual inequality.

    “Povertism” is not new, of course, but my impression is that its hold has only gotten stronger as the West has gotten more diverse. It is actually quite remarkable to study 2nd-gen Chinese-American social mobility in New York. Many of the kids who grew up in Chinatown did so under what we would consider very materially poor circumstances yet their educational and professional outcomes are mostly excellent.

    It’s one of those things that become ever-more inconvenient as time goes on and the sample size grows larger, and hence more irrefutable. So the “solution” is to in-before it by saying that even invoking them is a form of model minority myth-making, and hence inherently suspect and possibly racist. You can always count on conservative cowardice to enforce these leftist rules even as they bristle under them, because they dare not fundamentally question their underlying premise.

    [MORE]

    The tired “democrats are the real racists” actually has some validity to it. I think conservative Whites are probably the least racist people in the world. They foolishingly try to own the liberals by working under their own premises, which is typically a sign of a loser.

    A real opposition should always work under its own frame of reference, but very few conservatives in the West fundamentally disagree with the dominant liberal assumptions. They just try to own liberals by using liberal talking points.

    Sometimes I feel like we should just label them “low-tax liberals”.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    He’s always been open with his views.
     
    The Tories promised to reduce immigration (several times...), instead it has remained at the insanely high levels established under the New Labour regime, and even increased (iirc 40% of the 1st generation immigrants counted in the new census came in the last ten years, that is under Tory governments). Don't know about Javid (and don't care to look it up), but regarding the Tories more generally that's not exactly what I would call being "open" about one's intended policies.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it? Predictably, Farage didn’t respond.
     
    Farage has always been a gatekeeper, and been involved in trying to delegitimize the BNP, so one can't expect him to veer too much from establishment thinking, beyond limiting immigration.

    Seems pretty clear to me that Sajid Javid wasn't challenging Farage's approach though, so much as nakedly gloating. I just find that really remarkable. He could have privately gloated, but chose to publicly gloat. If he were Labor, that probably wouldn't be too much out of the ordinary, but the fact that he is a Tory, and is a member of this party which at least rhetorically many times has promised to limit immigration is pretty shocking. Though I understand he lost his seat recently.

    It is also kind of shocking because the Tories are really diversitarian. They are very much a civic nationalist, AA party, promoting women and non-Euros to be their public face, even in districts that are still fairly British. Anyway, I think it is pretty evident that this is not a winning strategy for Europeans and that it is impossible to win the loyalty of people like Javid by giving them anything.

    And beyond that, I'd say that I don't think that there is any level of muliculturalism that will work for Europeans. Any foreign group in Europe will predominantly be partisans for their own kind and for open borders and other policies that favor them, and will find any level of advocacy for Europeans extremely offensive.

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  166. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    I suspect you're referencing his clapback("So what?") to Nigel Farage complaining that London is becoming minority White.

    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it? Predictably, Farage didn't respond.

    Farage's raising of the issue and his cowardly unwillingness to have the debate neatly sums up his entire career. Try to exploit nativist feelings but don't lift a finger to seriously do anything about it. Say what you will about Sajid, but at least he is consistent. He's always been open with his views. It's Farage who is doing the bait and switch.

    ---


    I think one problem that modern culture has with the Chinese brothers living in poverty example you mentioned, is that they would undermine a core premise of modern ideology. Namely, that poverty condemns everyone to perpetual inequality.

    "Povertism" is not new, of course, but my impression is that its hold has only gotten stronger as the West has gotten more diverse. It is actually quite remarkable to study 2nd-gen Chinese-American social mobility in New York. Many of the kids who grew up in Chinatown did so under what we would consider very materially poor circumstances yet their educational and professional outcomes are mostly excellent.

    It's one of those things that become ever-more inconvenient as time goes on and the sample size grows larger, and hence more irrefutable. So the "solution" is to in-before it by saying that even invoking them is a form of model minority myth-making, and hence inherently suspect and possibly racist. You can always count on conservative cowardice to enforce these leftist rules even as they bristle under them, because they dare not fundamentally question their underlying premise.

    The tired "democrats are the real racists" actually has some validity to it. I think conservative Whites are probably the least racist people in the world. They foolishingly try to own the liberals by working under their own premises, which is typically a sign of a loser.

    A real opposition should always work under its own frame of reference, but very few conservatives in the West fundamentally disagree with the dominant liberal assumptions. They just try to own liberals by using liberal talking points.

    Sometimes I feel like we should just label them "low-tax liberals".

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    He’s always been open with his views.

    The Tories promised to reduce immigration (several times…), instead it has remained at the insanely high levels established under the New Labour regime, and even increased (iirc 40% of the 1st generation immigrants counted in the new census came in the last ten years, that is under Tory governments). Don’t know about Javid (and don’t care to look it up), but regarding the Tories more generally that’s not exactly what I would call being “open” about one’s intended policies.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Promising to limit immigration isn't the same as promising to keep Britain White.

    It's Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction. AFAIK, Sajid has never done that.

    But your broader point is correct, namely that Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as "low-tax liberals" which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies. I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more "based" in his rhetoric. That's probably true of most European so-called "far-right populists", including Salvini.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123, @Yahya

  167. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    He’s always been open with his views.
     
    The Tories promised to reduce immigration (several times...), instead it has remained at the insanely high levels established under the New Labour regime, and even increased (iirc 40% of the 1st generation immigrants counted in the new census came in the last ten years, that is under Tory governments). Don't know about Javid (and don't care to look it up), but regarding the Tories more generally that's not exactly what I would call being "open" about one's intended policies.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Promising to limit immigration isn’t the same as promising to keep Britain White.

    It’s Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction. AFAIK, Sajid has never done that.

    But your broader point is correct, namely that Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as “low-tax liberals” which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies. I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more “based” in his rhetoric. That’s probably true of most European so-called “far-right populists”, including Salvini.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    It’s Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction.
     
    Unless I'm missing something, Farage has never been in government and therefore has never had the power to actually shape immigration policies, so I'm not sure what you think he should have done.
    I'm no fan of him myself btw.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @silviosilver
    @Thulean Friend


    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it?
     

    Promising to limit immigration isn’t the same as promising to keep Britain White.
     
    Ending (not merely "limiting") immigration would not of itself keep Britain white, but it's obviously a step in the right direction - possibly the only such step available - and would at least prevent (or delay) the same fate befalling all of Britain's cities.

    Ending immigration concedes that racial diversity is not a strength to celebrate but an obstacle to overcome - that answer's the pajeet's "excellent question."

    What problem do you have with this?

    A straight answer, please.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @A123
    @Thulean Friend


    Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as “low-tax liberals” which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies.
     
    The UK is much where the U.S. was before MAGA.

    • Tories = MegaCorporations
    • Labour = Progressive
    • LibDem = Controlled Opposition -- The LibDem's exist to make Labour seem more credible.

    There is no credible party for traditional values, Christianity, and migration control.

    The UK system may be the worst possible combination. First Past the Post elections favor large/existing parties. As PM is not directly elected, a charismatic leader cannot breakthrough as a reformer.

    The Tories are going to be blown out badly. The internal schism could create opportunities for real change. Perhaps it can be reborn as Make England Great Again [MEGA]. However, the MegaCorporations will use their money behind the scenes to stop that. I am less than hopeful for the UK.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Yahya
    @Thulean Friend


    I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more “based” in his rhetoric. That’s probably true of most European so-called “far-right populists”, including Salvini
     
    PM Meloni seems to be earnest in her desire to stop the flow of migration into Italy. On the other hand, she did once say Italy should “repatriate migrants back to their countries and then sink the boats that rescued them”, but now in office she’s trying to offload incoming migrants to other European nations by redirecting vessels and signing “redistribution agreements” with countries like France. Members of her anti-migration party were said to have rejoiced when the Ocean Viking landed in France.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/giorgia-meloni-emmanuel-macron-italy-france-clash-migrant-ship-ocean-viking/

    It’s perhaps good for Italy in the short-run but a situation where European countries are trying to dump their problems on each other will lead to a bad outcome over the long run for everyone involved. I’m wondering what legal means Italy or other European nations with anti-migration governments have to disactivate NGOs who ferry migrants across the Med; and whether it is possible for unilateral action? Preventing migration at its source is definitely better than the pass-the-bomb around situation that currently prevails.


    The difference between me and the racial separatists is that I am simply not as pessimistic as the racial separatists are and think we can keep our cultural traditions distinct while still meeting others across the racial, cultural and religious barriers. I live like that and it works splendidly for the most part.
     
    What will your position be if ethnic Swedes constitute 30% or so of the Swedish population? Will you be content with such an outcome? Do you think you’ll still be able to live splendidly?

    (I ask in good faith. Your view is interesting and I admire your willingness to go against the current here; no doubt some commenters here are sharpening their knives at you, and the passive-aggressive ones like ‘S’ squirming in their chairs right now.)

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  168. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Promising to limit immigration isn't the same as promising to keep Britain White.

    It's Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction. AFAIK, Sajid has never done that.

    But your broader point is correct, namely that Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as "low-tax liberals" which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies. I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more "based" in his rhetoric. That's probably true of most European so-called "far-right populists", including Salvini.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123, @Yahya

    It’s Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction.

    Unless I’m missing something, Farage has never been in government and therefore has never had the power to actually shape immigration policies, so I’m not sure what you think he should have done.
    I’m no fan of him myself btw.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    Unless I’m missing something, Farage has never been in government and therefore has never had the power to actually shape immigration policies
     
    Is this your actual argument? If that's the case, then opposition politicians could never propose anything when out of power. And it would also have made his entire Brexit campaign impossible because he wasn't in power then either. You're bending over backwards for him, which is bizarre given your claim of not liking him (I believe you when you say it).

    Farage is one of the most recognisable political figures in Britain. So when he openly laments London becoming less White - as direct a racial appeal as you can do in politics - a natural question becomes well, what do you propose? Or in the case of Sajid: "So what?".

    Farage ran away from that debate as he always does. So why does he even begin it? This is what I mean when I talk about cowardly conservatives and even most of the "far-right" in general. If you're going to engage in racial appeals, you better have an answer when the pushback invariably comes. Yet 99.99% of them always run away and Farage is no different.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

  169. Here is an interesting sci-fi short film. Not Star Wars…

    PEACE 😇

  170. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Promising to limit immigration isn't the same as promising to keep Britain White.

    It's Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction. AFAIK, Sajid has never done that.

    But your broader point is correct, namely that Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as "low-tax liberals" which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies. I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more "based" in his rhetoric. That's probably true of most European so-called "far-right populists", including Salvini.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123, @Yahya

    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it?

    Promising to limit immigration isn’t the same as promising to keep Britain White.

    Ending (not merely “limiting”) immigration would not of itself keep Britain white, but it’s obviously a step in the right direction – possibly the only such step available – and would at least prevent (or delay) the same fate befalling all of Britain’s cities.

    Ending immigration concedes that racial diversity is not a strength to celebrate but an obstacle to overcome – that answer’s the pajeet’s “excellent question.”

    What problem do you have with this?

    A straight answer, please.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @silviosilver


    Ending immigration concedes that racial diversity is not a strength to celebrate but an obstacle to overcome
     
    I value internal coherency in politics above all. Framing opposition to immigration based on racial terms is coherent, which Farage's waffling and bait-and-switch opportunism decisively is not. This becomes almost comical after he makes naked racial appeals and then backs away and flees from from them the moment he gets the tiniest amount of pushback. I hate cowardice.

    Of course, it is easy for you to say these things while being anonymous online. The real test is if you would say them in a public and professional setting. But I have no way of verifying that.

    What problem do you have with this?
     
    I have never hidden my dislike of racial nationalism, so this question surprises me a bit.

    My debate with Yevardian over assimiliation vs multi-culturalism is instructive here. I argued that assimiliationism is basically a form of "racist liberalism", trying to fit everyone into a White mold and hopelessly failing for most. You can't turn non-Whites into Whites and it is foolish to try.

    Better then to either accept that people are different but having enough commonality that we can live together while still respecting distinctions (my preference, i.e. genuine multiculturalism) or outright racial separatism.

    I have more respect for racial separatism than I do for Yevardian's assimiliationism, because at least it has a more realistic view of human nature and we would have less instances of trying to force diversity into fundamentally White lore, myths and legends under the misguided notion of trying to make everyone the same. LOTR is just the latest abomination. As I argued, assimilationism isn't just harmful to minorities. It's harmful to Whites, as it dilutes our cultural distinction.

    The difference between me and the racial separatists is that I am simply not as pessimistic as the racial separatists are and think we can keep our cultural traditions distinct while still meeting others across the racial, cultural and religious barriers. I live like that and it works splendidly for the most part.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

  171. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    It’s Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction.
     
    Unless I'm missing something, Farage has never been in government and therefore has never had the power to actually shape immigration policies, so I'm not sure what you think he should have done.
    I'm no fan of him myself btw.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Unless I’m missing something, Farage has never been in government and therefore has never had the power to actually shape immigration policies

    Is this your actual argument? If that’s the case, then opposition politicians could never propose anything when out of power. And it would also have made his entire Brexit campaign impossible because he wasn’t in power then either. You’re bending over backwards for him, which is bizarre given your claim of not liking him (I believe you when you say it).

    Farage is one of the most recognisable political figures in Britain. So when he openly laments London becoming less White – as direct a racial appeal as you can do in politics – a natural question becomes well, what do you propose? Or in the case of Sajid: “So what?”.

    Farage ran away from that debate as he always does. So why does he even begin it? This is what I mean when I talk about cowardly conservatives and even most of the “far-right” in general. If you’re going to engage in racial appeals, you better have an answer when the pushback invariably comes. Yet 99.99% of them always run away and Farage is no different.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Farage ran away from that debate as he always does. So why does he even begin it? This is what I mean when I talk about cowardly conservatives and even most of the “far-right” in general. If you’re going to engage in racial appeals, you better have an answer when the pushback invariably comes. Yet 99.99% of them always run away and Farage is no different.
     
    Ok, that's an argument I can agree with it. Certainly necessary to formulate a clear and consistent position, then stand by it and not cave in. Otherwise one accepts the framing of one's political opponents (or rather enemies?) which is constantly narrowing down the limits of what's still sayable. One needs to push against that and shift the boundaries of acceptable discourse. That's a tough balancing act though, always the risk of over-doing it, and given how rigged the playing field is in many Western societies, one also has to consider the threat of outright repression by the state.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @Coconuts
    @Thulean Friend


    So when he openly laments London becoming less White – as direct a racial appeal as you can do in politics – a natural question becomes well, what do you propose? Or in the case of Sajid: “So what?”.
     
    I guess people intuitively know what point Farage is making, the same way a lot of people could understand the importance of the ceremonies around the queen's funeral earlier in the year.

    It would have been surprising if he had openly articulated something like this to Javid:

    Nations are born from friendship but persist in existence through inheritance. The kingdom of England was founded by a group of families with the purpose of securing their continuation and posterity. After many generations successfully living and reproducing together those families have a special importance to each other, in some way they owe their survival to each other. When they are declining in number their remaining members may become worried.

    I think plenty of people get this, but they can't always explain it.
  172. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Promising to limit immigration isn't the same as promising to keep Britain White.

    It's Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction. AFAIK, Sajid has never done that.

    But your broader point is correct, namely that Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as "low-tax liberals" which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies. I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more "based" in his rhetoric. That's probably true of most European so-called "far-right populists", including Salvini.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123, @Yahya

    Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as “low-tax liberals” which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies.

    The UK is much where the U.S. was before MAGA.

    • Tories = MegaCorporations
    • Labour = Progressive
    • LibDem = Controlled Opposition — The LibDem’s exist to make Labour seem more credible.

    There is no credible party for traditional values, Christianity, and migration control.

    The UK system may be the worst possible combination. First Past the Post elections favor large/existing parties. As PM is not directly elected, a charismatic leader cannot breakthrough as a reformer.

    The Tories are going to be blown out badly. The internal schism could create opportunities for real change. Perhaps it can be reborn as Make England Great Again [MEGA]. However, the MegaCorporations will use their money behind the scenes to stop that. I am less than hopeful for the UK.

    PEACE 😇

  173. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    Unless I’m missing something, Farage has never been in government and therefore has never had the power to actually shape immigration policies
     
    Is this your actual argument? If that's the case, then opposition politicians could never propose anything when out of power. And it would also have made his entire Brexit campaign impossible because he wasn't in power then either. You're bending over backwards for him, which is bizarre given your claim of not liking him (I believe you when you say it).

    Farage is one of the most recognisable political figures in Britain. So when he openly laments London becoming less White - as direct a racial appeal as you can do in politics - a natural question becomes well, what do you propose? Or in the case of Sajid: "So what?".

    Farage ran away from that debate as he always does. So why does he even begin it? This is what I mean when I talk about cowardly conservatives and even most of the "far-right" in general. If you're going to engage in racial appeals, you better have an answer when the pushback invariably comes. Yet 99.99% of them always run away and Farage is no different.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

    Farage ran away from that debate as he always does. So why does he even begin it? This is what I mean when I talk about cowardly conservatives and even most of the “far-right” in general. If you’re going to engage in racial appeals, you better have an answer when the pushback invariably comes. Yet 99.99% of them always run away and Farage is no different.

    Ok, that’s an argument I can agree with it. Certainly necessary to formulate a clear and consistent position, then stand by it and not cave in. Otherwise one accepts the framing of one’s political opponents (or rather enemies?) which is constantly narrowing down the limits of what’s still sayable. One needs to push against that and shift the boundaries of acceptable discourse. That’s a tough balancing act though, always the risk of over-doing it, and given how rigged the playing field is in many Western societies, one also has to consider the threat of outright repression by the state.

    • Agree: Coconuts, Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Yes, it appears we can come to a rare form of agreement for once. Repression of speech is overwhelmingly directed at the right-wing and I am as close to a free-speech absolutist as you can find.

    The embrace of censorship against ideological enemies has alienated me from establishment liberalism, even if I find many of the arguments the dissident right makes to be unconvincing at an ideological level, I would never want to censor them.

  174. But your broader point is correct, namely that Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as “low-tax liberals” which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies. I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more “based” in his rhetoric. That’s probably true of most European so-called “far-right populists”, including Salvini.

    You are right, but imo its partly because the time isn’t right yet for a different more ‘third position’ version of the right to appear. It may be something that is in gestation.

    For example, I found Louise Perry’s book about the sexual revolution interesting because it involved critique of some fundamental liberal and progressive beliefs about the individual. I wondered if she was inspired in this by the commentator Mary Harrington (she is quoted in the acknowledgements).

    Harrington has been arguing for a while that liberalism has some inherent problems with parenthood, especially motherhood. Probably it is because the mother/child relationship can inspire thoughts like these:

    No description could be too explicit and no admiration too great for this spectacle of pure authority and this portrait of unambiguous hierarchy.

    Thus, and in no other way, the most rudimentary form of human society is established from the outset.

    Irl the situation is not at the stage where people are ready to make the necessary connections to move into radical conservative or traditionalist territory yet though, maybe it won’t happen. It is very unlikely Farage could lead a movement like this.

  175. @silviosilver
    @Thulean Friend


    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it?
     

    Promising to limit immigration isn’t the same as promising to keep Britain White.
     
    Ending (not merely "limiting") immigration would not of itself keep Britain white, but it's obviously a step in the right direction - possibly the only such step available - and would at least prevent (or delay) the same fate befalling all of Britain's cities.

    Ending immigration concedes that racial diversity is not a strength to celebrate but an obstacle to overcome - that answer's the pajeet's "excellent question."

    What problem do you have with this?

    A straight answer, please.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Ending immigration concedes that racial diversity is not a strength to celebrate but an obstacle to overcome

    I value internal coherency in politics above all. Framing opposition to immigration based on racial terms is coherent, which Farage’s waffling and bait-and-switch opportunism decisively is not. This becomes almost comical after he makes naked racial appeals and then backs away and flees from from them the moment he gets the tiniest amount of pushback. I hate cowardice.

    Of course, it is easy for you to say these things while being anonymous online. The real test is if you would say them in a public and professional setting. But I have no way of verifying that.

    What problem do you have with this?

    I have never hidden my dislike of racial nationalism, so this question surprises me a bit.

    My debate with Yevardian over assimiliation vs multi-culturalism is instructive here. I argued that assimiliationism is basically a form of “racist liberalism”, trying to fit everyone into a White mold and hopelessly failing for most. You can’t turn non-Whites into Whites and it is foolish to try.

    Better then to either accept that people are different but having enough commonality that we can live together while still respecting distinctions (my preference, i.e. genuine multiculturalism) or outright racial separatism.

    I have more respect for racial separatism than I do for Yevardian’s assimiliationism, because at least it has a more realistic view of human nature and we would have less instances of trying to force diversity into fundamentally White lore, myths and legends under the misguided notion of trying to make everyone the same. LOTR is just the latest abomination. As I argued, assimilationism isn’t just harmful to minorities. It’s harmful to Whites, as it dilutes our cultural distinction.

    The difference between me and the racial separatists is that I am simply not as pessimistic as the racial separatists are and think we can keep our cultural traditions distinct while still meeting others across the racial, cultural and religious barriers. I live like that and it works splendidly for the most part.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Better then to either accept that people are different but having enough commonality that we can live together while still respecting distinctions (my preference, i.e. genuine multiculturalism) or outright racial separatism.
     
    Sounds like you're arguing for some kind of communitarianism, maybe even legally enshrined, but I don't see how this could be reconciled with "liberal democracy" as currently understood. It definitely clashes with notions of individual rights as the supreme good.
    Or with a welfare state for that matter. Here we're often talking about race, identity etc. in a fairly abstract way, but for a lot of people more prosaic economic considerations are much more important (and it's something that is partly behind my own resentments, as I will readily admit). Saying "we're all different, that's ok, everyone's valuable in his own way" sounds nice...but what if some communities consistently take out more from the welfare system than they put in? How do you deal with that in your "genuine multiculturalism"?
    And anyway, I don't see acceptance of some differences as natural as likely anyway, instead there'll be a trend towards ever more micro-management by the state to ensure "racial justice". A prominent (and obnoxious) Arab politician from Berlin just wrote a newspaper article lamenting racism in German society and the need for more state programmes to combat it...and one of the alleged pieces of evidence for ubiquitous racism was that blacks consistently get lower grades at schools and in universities (not even sure such data exists, maybe she just made it up, and in any case it's of course a talking point copied from the US). There's no incentive for ethnic lobbyists and power-hungry politicians to admit that some differences may have other roots than just discrimination.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @Yevardian
    @Thulean Friend


    I have more respect for racial separatism than I do for Yevardian’s assimiliationism, because at least it has a more realistic view of human nature and we would have less instances of trying to force diversity into fundamentally White lore, myths and legends under the misguided notion of trying to make everyone the same. LOTR is just the latest abomination. As I argued, assimilationism isn’t just harmful to minorities. It’s harmful to Whites, as it dilutes our cultural distinction.
     
    The crucial distinction here is these people live under the same state, in the same cities, often in the same neighborhoods.
    Racial separatism is why national borders exist, and indeed was always the main justification for all ordinary people through history. Immigrants always assimilated to the places they moved in the past, with the exception of a few 'Rootless Cosmopolitans' (Jews, Parsis, Armenians) with strong international connections, usually because they were merchants. Or those unable to adapt simply due to lack of ability (dalit-descended gypsies, descendents of black slaves).
    Now with modern technology the threat of every new immigrant group forming a permanent aggreived minority is much greater. Those that don't accept or actively despise the value of the society that hosts them are cancers in the body politic and should be deported.

    Maintaining dozens of separate racio-cultural identies within the same country can only lead to resentment and dysfunctionality at best (Belgium) or unending communal violence and total political nepotism at worst.
    Lack of any overarching national identity or assimilation to one is why the Middle-East is such a hobbesian shithole, despite the averaged quality of people there not being noticeably worse than Europe. A racially divided caste society would be a dystopia for Europe.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Sher Singh

  176. @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    The progressives won’t be satisfied without eventual assimilation
     
    How would they enforce that? I don't think they can plausibly threaten large Islamic family clans with taking away their children if they don't allow them to be taught the virtues of LBGQTI+. Cutting welfare might also be problematic. There's always the threat of communal riots in the background, at least in Western Europe with its large compact immigrant communities (somewhat different situation from the US where recent immigrants have a different socioeconomic profile, or don't seem very riot-prone in the case of Mexicans).
    There'll probably still be quite a bit of assimilation into the ruling "liberalism", but also large parallel societies organized according to rather different values.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    It’s not necessary to enforce it through overt means, since after a couple generations it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain a separate identity. Such Foederati, as Sher Singh would call them, are useful in eliminating and diluting what the progressives see as native Euro’s or American’s negative traits. However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred “vibrant” communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.

    Progressive technocrats are like the Borg, ultimately it is always going to come down to, “assimilate or die”.

    I think that the situation that Sher Singh and his Sikh brethren or Muslims will ultimately face is one similar to what has recently happened with Red America. The Republican electorate was shamelessly brainwashed and used for decades to enthusiastically forward a pro-corporate, anti-jobs, pro-security state, pro -American empire political agenda. All of these policies were actually undermining their position and once their usefulness was exhausted they have been cast aside to rot. Only now does the “Right” see that perhaps global corporations and the FBI are not their friends, but the realization is a little late to mean much.

    So if all the minorities want to try to play the system for gain they can try, but I think they will all be expected to kneel before a drag queen eventually. Once that realization fully hits it will probably be too late to really resist it with full strength.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    since after a couple generations it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain a separate identity.
     
    Have you seen some of the recent videos of rioting Moroccans (or rather Moroccan-Belgians, I suppose) in Belgium, after their ancestral team won a game in the world cup? Sure, there are probably plenty of other Moroccans who are assimilated in many ways, living nice bourgeois lives, and maybe even hold the fashionable "progressive" views about acronym people. But others are outright hostile to the society surrounding them (and that hostility can take worse forms than just rioting, remember the Paris terrorist attacks a few years ago and their perpetrators from Molenbeek), even if they're already the 3rd generation living there. So I don't think assimilation is as inevitable as you think it is (though it may be different in America, I don't know).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @A123
    @Barbarossa


    Only now does the “Right” see that perhaps global corporations and the FBI are not their friends, but the realization is a little late to mean much.

     

    What do you hope to achieve with your policy of highly vocal calls for "unilateral surrender"? If everyone believed you, what would be the outcome?

    Why not embrace the MAGA fight against global MegaCorporations? Even if it is too late, is that not the only morally correct choice? Giving up is akin to suicide.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://www.trumparea.com/_pics/2211/hopeless.jpg

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Coconuts
    @Barbarossa


    However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred “vibrant” communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.
     
    In Europe I am starting to doubt whether this will be possible. You can see in the UK that a lot of the bigger ethnic minority communities are becoming diasporas, closely connected to countries with much larger (and more youthful) populations. Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are still bringing in wives/husbands from their homelands each generation. The fact they are minorities promotes higher levels of group solidarity, they seem to be retaining or reviving traditional religion/customs and afaik, still maintain a higher birthrate, about double that of the white British.

    The recent trends in politics around BLM and historic colonialism suggest ethnic minorities are starting to assert themselves in the educational and cultural fields, maybe assisted by white progressives, but the latter may be just surrendering to new pressures and realities created by more youthful population groups.

    The things GR and Yevardian mentioned, the state trying to micro-manage things and failing due to advancing idiocracy and divided citizenry and the development of overtly communal politics don't seem like implausible possibilities for the future.

    I wonder now whether progressives and globalists had clear ideas of what they were doing when they started pursuing the mass-migration option in the 90s. Sometimes you see interviews with Tony Blair where it looks like he is aware he misjudged this one.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Barbarossa

  177. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Farage ran away from that debate as he always does. So why does he even begin it? This is what I mean when I talk about cowardly conservatives and even most of the “far-right” in general. If you’re going to engage in racial appeals, you better have an answer when the pushback invariably comes. Yet 99.99% of them always run away and Farage is no different.
     
    Ok, that's an argument I can agree with it. Certainly necessary to formulate a clear and consistent position, then stand by it and not cave in. Otherwise one accepts the framing of one's political opponents (or rather enemies?) which is constantly narrowing down the limits of what's still sayable. One needs to push against that and shift the boundaries of acceptable discourse. That's a tough balancing act though, always the risk of over-doing it, and given how rigged the playing field is in many Western societies, one also has to consider the threat of outright repression by the state.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Yes, it appears we can come to a rare form of agreement for once. Repression of speech is overwhelmingly directed at the right-wing and I am as close to a free-speech absolutist as you can find.

    The embrace of censorship against ideological enemies has alienated me from establishment liberalism, even if I find many of the arguments the dissident right makes to be unconvincing at an ideological level, I would never want to censor them.

  178. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Promising to limit immigration isn't the same as promising to keep Britain White.

    It's Farage who has been flirting with White nationalist sentiments but never actually doing anything concrete in that direction. AFAIK, Sajid has never done that.

    But your broader point is correct, namely that Tories have been useless on immigration. Hence my wish to rebrand conservatives in the West as "low-tax liberals" which I find is a better descriptor of their actual policies. I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more "based" in his rhetoric. That's probably true of most European so-called "far-right populists", including Salvini.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123, @Yahya

    I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more “based” in his rhetoric. That’s probably true of most European so-called “far-right populists”, including Salvini

    PM Meloni seems to be earnest in her desire to stop the flow of migration into Italy. On the other hand, she did once say Italy should “repatriate migrants back to their countries and then sink the boats that rescued them”, but now in office she’s trying to offload incoming migrants to other European nations by redirecting vessels and signing “redistribution agreements” with countries like France. Members of her anti-migration party were said to have rejoiced when the Ocean Viking landed in France.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/giorgia-meloni-emmanuel-macron-italy-france-clash-migrant-ship-ocean-viking/

    It’s perhaps good for Italy in the short-run but a situation where European countries are trying to dump their problems on each other will lead to a bad outcome over the long run for everyone involved. I’m wondering what legal means Italy or other European nations with anti-migration governments have to disactivate NGOs who ferry migrants across the Med; and whether it is possible for unilateral action? Preventing migration at its source is definitely better than the pass-the-bomb around situation that currently prevails.

    The difference between me and the racial separatists is that I am simply not as pessimistic as the racial separatists are and think we can keep our cultural traditions distinct while still meeting others across the racial, cultural and religious barriers. I live like that and it works splendidly for the most part.

    What will your position be if ethnic Swedes constitute 30% or so of the Swedish population? Will you be content with such an outcome? Do you think you’ll still be able to live splendidly?

    (I ask in good faith. Your view is interesting and I admire your willingness to go against the current here; no doubt some commenters here are sharpening their knives at you, and the passive-aggressive ones like ‘S’ squirming in their chairs right now.)

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yahya


    PM Meloni seems to be earnest in her desire to stop the flow of migration into Italy. ... now in office she’s trying to offload incoming migrants to other European nations by redirecting vessels and signing “redistribution agreements” with countries like France.
    ...
    It’s perhaps good for Italy in the short-run but a situation where European countries are trying to dump their problems on each other will lead to a bad outcome over the long run for everyone involved.
     
    The EU exists. Until it is dissolved, Meloni is working in that framework. She is forcing members creating the issue to take the migrants & burden.

    It is similar to what Abbot and DeSantis are doing in the U.S. NYC, Chicago, and other Blue cities are receiving huge hits to their budgets. Inflicting costs on already struggling Leftoid European city governments will sap their will.

    On the other hand, she did once say Italy should “repatriate migrants back to their countries and then sink the boats that rescued them”
     
    Meloni can return to this later if/when needed. It's always good to have a contingency option when negotiating.

    Leading with scuttling a German flagged vessel could easily cause the "authoritarian liberal" enemies to close ranks. Separating the most egregious open borders crazies from their less committed brethren is much more vital to the future versus a single, partial boat load of invaders today.

    ===============================
    “When strong, avoid them.
    If of high morale, depress them.
    Seem humble to fill them with conceit.
    If at ease, exhaust them.
    If united, separate them.
    Attack their weaknesses.
    Emerge to their surprise.”

    The Art of War, Sun Tzu
    ===============================

    Preventing migration at its source is definitely better than the pass-the-bomb around situation that currently prevails.
     
    Preventing the lures that draw migration is also essential. No job, no safety net, expedited expulsion if caught.

    I, and others, advocate for containment processing facilities somewhere in Africa. 100% of all MENA origin, non-Christian illegals & refugees would be immediately sent & kept there. They would not legally enter the EU until their claim is approved. A separate facility would be created elsewhere for Christian illegals & refugees.

    PEACE 😇
  179. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    I suspect you're referencing his clapback("So what?") to Nigel Farage complaining that London is becoming minority White.

    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it? Predictably, Farage didn't respond.

    Farage's raising of the issue and his cowardly unwillingness to have the debate neatly sums up his entire career. Try to exploit nativist feelings but don't lift a finger to seriously do anything about it. Say what you will about Sajid, but at least he is consistent. He's always been open with his views. It's Farage who is doing the bait and switch.

    ---


    I think one problem that modern culture has with the Chinese brothers living in poverty example you mentioned, is that they would undermine a core premise of modern ideology. Namely, that poverty condemns everyone to perpetual inequality.

    "Povertism" is not new, of course, but my impression is that its hold has only gotten stronger as the West has gotten more diverse. It is actually quite remarkable to study 2nd-gen Chinese-American social mobility in New York. Many of the kids who grew up in Chinatown did so under what we would consider very materially poor circumstances yet their educational and professional outcomes are mostly excellent.

    It's one of those things that become ever-more inconvenient as time goes on and the sample size grows larger, and hence more irrefutable. So the "solution" is to in-before it by saying that even invoking them is a form of model minority myth-making, and hence inherently suspect and possibly racist. You can always count on conservative cowardice to enforce these leftist rules even as they bristle under them, because they dare not fundamentally question their underlying premise.

    The tired "democrats are the real racists" actually has some validity to it. I think conservative Whites are probably the least racist people in the world. They foolishingly try to own the liberals by working under their own premises, which is typically a sign of a loser.

    A real opposition should always work under its own frame of reference, but very few conservatives in the West fundamentally disagree with the dominant liberal assumptions. They just try to own liberals by using liberal talking points.

    Sometimes I feel like we should just label them "low-tax liberals".

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it? Predictably, Farage didn’t respond.

    Farage has always been a gatekeeper, and been involved in trying to delegitimize the BNP, so one can’t expect him to veer too much from establishment thinking, beyond limiting immigration.

    Seems pretty clear to me that Sajid Javid wasn’t challenging Farage’s approach though, so much as nakedly gloating. I just find that really remarkable. He could have privately gloated, but chose to publicly gloat. If he were Labor, that probably wouldn’t be too much out of the ordinary, but the fact that he is a Tory, and is a member of this party which at least rhetorically many times has promised to limit immigration is pretty shocking. Though I understand he lost his seat recently.

    It is also kind of shocking because the Tories are really diversitarian. They are very much a civic nationalist, AA party, promoting women and non-Euros to be their public face, even in districts that are still fairly British. Anyway, I think it is pretty evident that this is not a winning strategy for Europeans and that it is impossible to win the loyalty of people like Javid by giving them anything.

    And beyond that, I’d say that I don’t think that there is any level of muliculturalism that will work for Europeans. Any foreign group in Europe will predominantly be partisans for their own kind and for open borders and other policies that favor them, and will find any level of advocacy for Europeans extremely offensive.

    • Agree: Matra, Sher Singh
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @songbird


    Seems pretty clear to me that Sajid Javid wasn’t challenging Farage’s approach though, so much as nakedly gloating. I just find that really remarkable.
     
    It's not so clear to me that gloating was the primary motive. I think it was more likely an attempt to get Farage to say something "racist," both as part of the broader cultural struggle against "racism," and in order to establish that "this is not who we are" regarding the identity of the conservative party. That latter struggle has been taking place for decades, not just in Britain but all across the western world.

    It's not exactly a secret. There was an ABC (Australia) documentary called "The Liberals" (the conservative party here) filmed in the early 90s, tracing its development since WWII. One segment featured the then current premier of New South Wales, Nick Greiner, talking about the need to "modernize" the party and get rid of the older Anglo-Saxon bigot types - he said it all very casually and with a laugh, as though it were the most obvious thing in the world, kinda like "hehe, yeah, we've been tolerating them in our ranks for a long while, but it's time for them to go, you know". (Yeah, if you're wondering, Early Life puts him at a quarter Jew.) The Javid comment is just the most recent example of this contest.
  180. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    Unless I’m missing something, Farage has never been in government and therefore has never had the power to actually shape immigration policies
     
    Is this your actual argument? If that's the case, then opposition politicians could never propose anything when out of power. And it would also have made his entire Brexit campaign impossible because he wasn't in power then either. You're bending over backwards for him, which is bizarre given your claim of not liking him (I believe you when you say it).

    Farage is one of the most recognisable political figures in Britain. So when he openly laments London becoming less White - as direct a racial appeal as you can do in politics - a natural question becomes well, what do you propose? Or in the case of Sajid: "So what?".

    Farage ran away from that debate as he always does. So why does he even begin it? This is what I mean when I talk about cowardly conservatives and even most of the "far-right" in general. If you're going to engage in racial appeals, you better have an answer when the pushback invariably comes. Yet 99.99% of them always run away and Farage is no different.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

    So when he openly laments London becoming less White – as direct a racial appeal as you can do in politics – a natural question becomes well, what do you propose? Or in the case of Sajid: “So what?”.

    I guess people intuitively know what point Farage is making, the same way a lot of people could understand the importance of the ceremonies around the queen’s funeral earlier in the year.

    It would have been surprising if he had openly articulated something like this to Javid:

    Nations are born from friendship but persist in existence through inheritance. The kingdom of England was founded by a group of families with the purpose of securing their continuation and posterity. After many generations successfully living and reproducing together those families have a special importance to each other, in some way they owe their survival to each other. When they are declining in number their remaining members may become worried.

    I think plenty of people get this, but they can’t always explain it.

  181. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @silviosilver


    Ending immigration concedes that racial diversity is not a strength to celebrate but an obstacle to overcome
     
    I value internal coherency in politics above all. Framing opposition to immigration based on racial terms is coherent, which Farage's waffling and bait-and-switch opportunism decisively is not. This becomes almost comical after he makes naked racial appeals and then backs away and flees from from them the moment he gets the tiniest amount of pushback. I hate cowardice.

    Of course, it is easy for you to say these things while being anonymous online. The real test is if you would say them in a public and professional setting. But I have no way of verifying that.

    What problem do you have with this?
     
    I have never hidden my dislike of racial nationalism, so this question surprises me a bit.

    My debate with Yevardian over assimiliation vs multi-culturalism is instructive here. I argued that assimiliationism is basically a form of "racist liberalism", trying to fit everyone into a White mold and hopelessly failing for most. You can't turn non-Whites into Whites and it is foolish to try.

    Better then to either accept that people are different but having enough commonality that we can live together while still respecting distinctions (my preference, i.e. genuine multiculturalism) or outright racial separatism.

    I have more respect for racial separatism than I do for Yevardian's assimiliationism, because at least it has a more realistic view of human nature and we would have less instances of trying to force diversity into fundamentally White lore, myths and legends under the misguided notion of trying to make everyone the same. LOTR is just the latest abomination. As I argued, assimilationism isn't just harmful to minorities. It's harmful to Whites, as it dilutes our cultural distinction.

    The difference between me and the racial separatists is that I am simply not as pessimistic as the racial separatists are and think we can keep our cultural traditions distinct while still meeting others across the racial, cultural and religious barriers. I live like that and it works splendidly for the most part.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    Better then to either accept that people are different but having enough commonality that we can live together while still respecting distinctions (my preference, i.e. genuine multiculturalism) or outright racial separatism.

    Sounds like you’re arguing for some kind of communitarianism, maybe even legally enshrined, but I don’t see how this could be reconciled with “liberal democracy” as currently understood. It definitely clashes with notions of individual rights as the supreme good.
    Or with a welfare state for that matter. Here we’re often talking about race, identity etc. in a fairly abstract way, but for a lot of people more prosaic economic considerations are much more important (and it’s something that is partly behind my own resentments, as I will readily admit). Saying “we’re all different, that’s ok, everyone’s valuable in his own way” sounds nice…but what if some communities consistently take out more from the welfare system than they put in? How do you deal with that in your “genuine multiculturalism”?
    And anyway, I don’t see acceptance of some differences as natural as likely anyway, instead there’ll be a trend towards ever more micro-management by the state to ensure “racial justice”. A prominent (and obnoxious) Arab politician from Berlin just wrote a newspaper article lamenting racism in German society and the need for more state programmes to combat it…and one of the alleged pieces of evidence for ubiquitous racism was that blacks consistently get lower grades at schools and in universities (not even sure such data exists, maybe she just made it up, and in any case it’s of course a talking point copied from the US). There’s no incentive for ethnic lobbyists and power-hungry politicians to admit that some differences may have other roots than just discrimination.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    but what if some communities consistently take out more from the welfare system than they put in? How do you deal with that in your “genuine multiculturalism”?
     
    I've been quite open about favoring a fairly cognitive elitist immigration policy. Europe has run a poor immigration policy, but that was never inevitable nor is it going forward. The people already let in are a problem, but even if we assume that all those who came magically went home tomorrow, we'd still be stuck with wide disparities even within the same ethnic group. I've referenced Gregory Clark's research on Swedish (non-existing) social mobility, including during the heyday of socialism.

    In other words, this problem persists even in homogeneous societies. I will concede that race probably makes the optics problem worse rather than if everyone looked the same, but if the end effect is similar, does it really matter? South Africa has had God knows how many affirmative action campaigns. Racial disparities have not only stayed the same, they've gotten worse since the fall of Apartheid. So even if the entire government tries its best, it doesn't seem to make much of an impact.

    I don’t see acceptance of some differences as natural as likely anyway, instead there’ll be a trend towards ever more micro-management by the state to ensure “racial justice”.
     

    I've partially answered this above, but there's another factor at play here.

    If the world had a stagnating science output, I'd concede that this is a risk. But the progress in AI and in genomics is now incredibly rapid. Clearing up old crimes have now gotten dramatically easier through innovative new genomics firms like Othram. Embyro-screening is only going to rise.

    If you actually read experts in the field, all of them essentially agree that we will get an eugenics program, even if we will call it something else for optics reasons. Indeed, it's already happening at the margins.

    I think a lot of people, even on the right, underestimate how this will up-end the social theories that underpin the Western world. Most of these theories pre-supposes a future that looks very similar to the one we had in the postwar era, except for cleaner cars and a few computer gadgets. If that was the case, these theories make rational sense. But if that's not the future that we will get, it's a cardinal error.

    To be clear, what we're seeing now is different from when brilliant scholars like Hans Eysenck began to catalogue and document racial differences. There were no tools to do anything about it. It was pure observation. So it was easier to ban it because governments could not remedy the differences.

    But what happens when you can change a child's chance of getting certain diseases (already a reality today) or raise her intelligence (imminent)? Clinging onto blank-slatism in this environment will be impossible.

    Very few parents, I suspect, will want to give their kids a lifetime disadvantage if it affords them to virtue-signal. Right-wingers may think this, but if you look at white flight patterns of white liberals then they are not much different. The main difference is that white liberals lie more, including to themselves, but ultimately don't behave much different from white conservatives. I see it everyday in my own circle.

    What's true for individuals will inexorably be valid for groups. Yet I suspect the racial divide will get blurred, as rich Third World elites will ensure their kids get a bigger boost than e.g. poor whites.

    A prominent (and obnoxious) Arab politician from Berlin just wrote a newspaper article lamenting racism in German society and the need for more state programmes to combat it…and one of the alleged pieces of evidence for ubiquitous racism was that blacks consistently get lower grades at schools and in universities (not even sure such data exists, maybe she just made it up, and in any case it’s of course a talking point copied from the US). There’s no incentive for ethnic lobbyists and power-hungry politicians to admit that some differences may have other roots than just discrimination.
     

    Yes, but opportunists like these exist everywhere. Misogyny is a real problem, but that doesn't prevent some women from filing false rape charges to damage a male rival at a job. Spreading malicious rumors happens even in mostly male environments. It's what humans do. Race is just another vector. If it wasn't available, these folks would find another. I think a common fallacy is to assume that absent race, these problems would go away. I think they'd just take on another shape, but the basic motivation would remain the same (personal enrichment at the cost of someone else).

    As someone who has at times amused myself reading "dissident right" commentary on the internet, I can personally vouch that the amount of back-biting, false rumors and smear campaigns among self-described "fashy right-wingers" will give even the most gossipy old aunt a run for her money. It's also very entertaining to read, but that's a different story. To me, this argument that race introduces a grifting problem seems to be among the weakest. Humans will find a way and they don't need race for it.

    Steve Hsu has written and spoken about the genomic revolution extensively.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/steve-hsu-intelligence-embryo-selection-the-future/id1516093381?i=1000577056223

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Another Polish Perspective, @songbird

  182. @German_reader
    @songbird


    The ultimate question, IMO, is whether these competing genocide narratives cut into the omnipotence of the WW2 foundational myth of the modern West.
     
    They're probably just going to reinforce it, the only difference will be that the Soviets (meaning Russians collectively) are also cast as villains, the Tim Snyder view of history. I've also noticed that the claims about German depravity seem to be getting more outlandish with increasing distance of time, there are now African and Arab MPs in Germany who on 8 May tweet things like "the Nazi regime caused 75 million deaths", which just seems like a bizarrely inflated number, even if you count the entire Pacific war. The subtext is of course clear enough, there will be no absolution ever, and that history will be used by recent immigrants (without personal connection to WW2) as a weapon against ethnic Germans.
    Ireland's recent development is very strange and disturbing to me, seems crazy that the pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland's history.

    Replies: @songbird, @Yahya, @Barbarossa, @Matra

    The Irish Republican narrative that was developed during the 60s and 70s is based on anti-colonialism. They took the parts of the 1916 Rising that they liked but jettisoned the Catholicism and exclusive nationalism of the fallen. The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association, which protested supposed discrimination against Catholics eventually leading to the Troubles, was based on the black civil rights protests in the US. They even sang the same song, We Shall Overcome. IRA activist Bernadette Devlin preferred hanging round the leaders of the Black Panthers than Irish Americans during her fundraising trips. (Supposedly she gave the BPs some of the money raised for the IRA). No country was more hostile to Apartheid South Africa than Ireland and today they are probably the most hostile to Israel for anti-colonialist reasons. No Spanish football team can visit Ireland or Glasgow – big Irish community – without being greeted with Catalan and Basque independence flags as Sinn Fein claims Spain is a colonialist state. In 1990 on my first ever trip to the Republican stronghold the Falls Road in West Belfast I saw a huge wall mural dedicated to Nelson Mandela. Today there must be more George Floyd murals in Catholic parts of N Ireland than anywhere else in the world. It’s not an exaggeration to say that Irish Republicans identify more with anti-colonial and anti-racist struggles around the world than with Europeans, hence that scene in The Commitments where the fan of black American music says the Irish are the blacks of Europe. This is a serious problem for genuine Irish nationalists who are protesting against migrants, mostly black Africans, as it means not only going up against the usual leftists but also the country’s own nationalist narrative and self-image.

    BTW try getting a reasonably priced hotel room in Dublin these days as I’ve been trying to do this week. Over 30% of all rooms available in the Republic are occupied by migrants. The place I stayed in in 2019 is now over three times the price I paid then and it’s fully booked for months in advance. Most of these migrants are men.

    • Thanks: German_reader
  183. @Thulean Friend
    @silviosilver


    Ending immigration concedes that racial diversity is not a strength to celebrate but an obstacle to overcome
     
    I value internal coherency in politics above all. Framing opposition to immigration based on racial terms is coherent, which Farage's waffling and bait-and-switch opportunism decisively is not. This becomes almost comical after he makes naked racial appeals and then backs away and flees from from them the moment he gets the tiniest amount of pushback. I hate cowardice.

    Of course, it is easy for you to say these things while being anonymous online. The real test is if you would say them in a public and professional setting. But I have no way of verifying that.

    What problem do you have with this?
     
    I have never hidden my dislike of racial nationalism, so this question surprises me a bit.

    My debate with Yevardian over assimiliation vs multi-culturalism is instructive here. I argued that assimiliationism is basically a form of "racist liberalism", trying to fit everyone into a White mold and hopelessly failing for most. You can't turn non-Whites into Whites and it is foolish to try.

    Better then to either accept that people are different but having enough commonality that we can live together while still respecting distinctions (my preference, i.e. genuine multiculturalism) or outright racial separatism.

    I have more respect for racial separatism than I do for Yevardian's assimiliationism, because at least it has a more realistic view of human nature and we would have less instances of trying to force diversity into fundamentally White lore, myths and legends under the misguided notion of trying to make everyone the same. LOTR is just the latest abomination. As I argued, assimilationism isn't just harmful to minorities. It's harmful to Whites, as it dilutes our cultural distinction.

    The difference between me and the racial separatists is that I am simply not as pessimistic as the racial separatists are and think we can keep our cultural traditions distinct while still meeting others across the racial, cultural and religious barriers. I live like that and it works splendidly for the most part.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    I have more respect for racial separatism than I do for Yevardian’s assimiliationism, because at least it has a more realistic view of human nature and we would have less instances of trying to force diversity into fundamentally White lore, myths and legends under the misguided notion of trying to make everyone the same. LOTR is just the latest abomination. As I argued, assimilationism isn’t just harmful to minorities. It’s harmful to Whites, as it dilutes our cultural distinction.

    The crucial distinction here is these people live under the same state, in the same cities, often in the same neighborhoods.
    Racial separatism is why national borders exist, and indeed was always the main justification for all ordinary people through history. Immigrants always assimilated to the places they moved in the past, with the exception of a few ‘Rootless Cosmopolitans’ (Jews, Parsis, Armenians) with strong international connections, usually because they were merchants. Or those unable to adapt simply due to lack of ability (dalit-descended gypsies, descendents of black slaves).
    Now with modern technology the threat of every new immigrant group forming a permanent aggreived minority is much greater. Those that don’t accept or actively despise the value of the society that hosts them are cancers in the body politic and should be deported.

    Maintaining dozens of separate racio-cultural identies within the same country can only lead to resentment and dysfunctionality at best (Belgium) or unending communal violence and total political nepotism at worst.
    Lack of any overarching national identity or assimilation to one is why the Middle-East is such a hobbesian shithole, despite the averaged quality of people there not being noticeably worse than Europe. A racially divided caste society would be a dystopia for Europe.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Yevardian

    Actually, I don't think my point even has to be made, especially here. Just look at Our Benefactor's work regarding Latinos in the United States.


    Have you seen some of the recent videos of rioting Moroccans (or rather Moroccan-Belgians, I suppose) in Belgium, after their ancestral team won a game in the world cup?
     
    Obviously the vast majority should never have been accepted to Belgium in the first place, but I think everyone here agrees on that anyway. But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    , @Sher Singh
    @Yevardian


    Assimilation needs a material & legal incentive - neither exists.
    Factory jobs don't support households,
    Ethnically politicked corporate jobs do.

    Assimilation to a house + lawn may make sense.
    The Kardashians don't, and they made you White.
    The path to whiteness for browns is nigger-loving.

    You're correct that the internet + airlines impede assimilation.
     

    --------------------------
    @barbarossa

    By foederati I include an eventual military element.
    Within 6 months of the convoy where white cops refused to act,
    The Canadian gov opened military positions to non-citizens.
    The Liberal state loses legitimacy + capability despite harsher rhetoric.
    Material strength & loyalty really.
     

    Not in the business of making predictions, but a few points stand out.

    1. Assimilation doesn't remove clannish criminality, only its political utility.
    2. The libs may want immigrants to bend the knee, but they may not.

    The Right ultimately crumbled because its elite was granted upward mobility.
    Carrot + Stick. Either the carrot's big enough or you fall to the stick.
    The Southern Middle Class was given positions in the MIC before de-segregation hit.
     


    The prosperity to buy off the entire MENA + Subcon elite doesn't exist.
    When it did, like before the 70s you saw women with skirts in Kabul & Tehran.

    Karlin often comments that tech transfer needs a capable recipient.
    Same with legal backing ie nerdy blacks won't beat you for saying nigger.
    Singhs are mobilizing, but even the farmer's protest felt hollow till the Red Fort attack.
     

    Basically, I don't know but check the infographics below more for white lib stats:


    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040104857660555284/1048692113178632303/image.png

    https://occidentaldissent.com/2022/12/01/nowhiteguilt-responds-to-counter-currents/


    Older stats on that site showed Asian cons were 9% ethno-centric vs like 15 for Asian libs.
    Asian cons being white-washed cucks checks out.
     
    Assimilation can decrease over generations as the community establishes institutions.
    Diaspora won't be like the homeland, but it can be politically useful like Ukr-Canadians.

    Liberals went ultra-woke due to Obamaphones + Trump. Who knows where next?

  184. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    She is not too smart but probably triple-digits on a good day.
     
    She said so many stupid things on camera, things that only a hopeless ignoramus might say, that she can even compete with Biden. Answering a question where Germany will get electricity, she said “from the power lines we already have”. Hearing complains that there isn’t enough electricity in Germany she retorted that Germany has enough electric outlets for every resident. Recently she said that there are countries that are 100,000 kilometers from Germany. So, her knowledge of geography equals her knowledge of physics.

    She’d be a perfect bartender: no brains, decent looks, big boobs. Drunk male customers would tip her handsomely. But I’d make a better Pope than she a foreign minister (or any minister, for that matter). Tuvalu would be ashamed to have a minister like that.

    Replies: @songbird, @Beckow

    Bartendress Annalena in a dim light, noisy music, few drinks, sure she would do well on tips. And no talk of physics or geography.

    But I still think she climbs over 100 – we make a mistake assigning real smarts to the 100-110 band, they are competent, functional, their brain cells move, they simply lack education and critical thinking.

    Baerbock was probably fast-tracked as a ‘girl with potential‘, never challenged and never forced to learn anything hard – like understanding the mysterious magic of electric outlets – it is not all her fault. These people rule us, or are the favorite group to stick up front by the people who do, but they generally make no decisions. Baerbock knows that she should push the war and downplay any consequences – Biden is the same. When the war will be lost and the consequences too dire, they will be quietly replaced.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    When the war will be lost and the consequences too dire, they will be quietly replaced.
     
    That’s the beauty of having rulers hidden and figureheads displayed to the gullible public. You can make them scapegoats and replace disposable nonentities without damaging your power or being accountable for your blunders.
  185. German_reader says:
    @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    It's not necessary to enforce it through overt means, since after a couple generations it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain a separate identity. Such Foederati, as Sher Singh would call them, are useful in eliminating and diluting what the progressives see as native Euro's or American's negative traits. However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred "vibrant" communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.

    Progressive technocrats are like the Borg, ultimately it is always going to come down to, "assimilate or die".

    I think that the situation that Sher Singh and his Sikh brethren or Muslims will ultimately face is one similar to what has recently happened with Red America. The Republican electorate was shamelessly brainwashed and used for decades to enthusiastically forward a pro-corporate, anti-jobs, pro-security state, pro -American empire political agenda. All of these policies were actually undermining their position and once their usefulness was exhausted they have been cast aside to rot. Only now does the "Right" see that perhaps global corporations and the FBI are not their friends, but the realization is a little late to mean much.

    So if all the minorities want to try to play the system for gain they can try, but I think they will all be expected to kneel before a drag queen eventually. Once that realization fully hits it will probably be too late to really resist it with full strength.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Coconuts

    since after a couple generations it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain a separate identity.

    Have you seen some of the recent videos of rioting Moroccans (or rather Moroccan-Belgians, I suppose) in Belgium, after their ancestral team won a game in the world cup? Sure, there are probably plenty of other Moroccans who are assimilated in many ways, living nice bourgeois lives, and maybe even hold the fashionable “progressive” views about acronym people. But others are outright hostile to the society surrounding them (and that hostility can take worse forms than just rioting, remember the Paris terrorist attacks a few years ago and their perpetrators from Molenbeek), even if they’re already the 3rd generation living there. So I don’t think assimilation is as inevitable as you think it is (though it may be different in America, I don’t know).

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I don’t think assimilation is as inevitable as you think it is
     
    Assimilation is anything but inevitable. Actually, Jews (often mentioned on this site) are an instructive example: they maintained their separate identity for centuries.

    One of my (Jewish) friends proposed an interesting theory. He said that Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation. Are Muslim customs idiotic enough for that purpose?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  186. @Yevardian
    @Thulean Friend


    I have more respect for racial separatism than I do for Yevardian’s assimiliationism, because at least it has a more realistic view of human nature and we would have less instances of trying to force diversity into fundamentally White lore, myths and legends under the misguided notion of trying to make everyone the same. LOTR is just the latest abomination. As I argued, assimilationism isn’t just harmful to minorities. It’s harmful to Whites, as it dilutes our cultural distinction.
     
    The crucial distinction here is these people live under the same state, in the same cities, often in the same neighborhoods.
    Racial separatism is why national borders exist, and indeed was always the main justification for all ordinary people through history. Immigrants always assimilated to the places they moved in the past, with the exception of a few 'Rootless Cosmopolitans' (Jews, Parsis, Armenians) with strong international connections, usually because they were merchants. Or those unable to adapt simply due to lack of ability (dalit-descended gypsies, descendents of black slaves).
    Now with modern technology the threat of every new immigrant group forming a permanent aggreived minority is much greater. Those that don't accept or actively despise the value of the society that hosts them are cancers in the body politic and should be deported.

    Maintaining dozens of separate racio-cultural identies within the same country can only lead to resentment and dysfunctionality at best (Belgium) or unending communal violence and total political nepotism at worst.
    Lack of any overarching national identity or assimilation to one is why the Middle-East is such a hobbesian shithole, despite the averaged quality of people there not being noticeably worse than Europe. A racially divided caste society would be a dystopia for Europe.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Sher Singh

    Actually, I don’t think my point even has to be made, especially here. Just look at Our Benefactor’s work regarding Latinos in the United States.

    Have you seen some of the recent videos of rioting Moroccans (or rather Moroccan-Belgians, I suppose) in Belgium, after their ancestral team won a game in the world cup?

    Obviously the vast majority should never have been accepted to Belgium in the first place, but I think everyone here agrees on that anyway. But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Just look at Our Benefactor’s work regarding Latinos in the United States.
     
    Not sure I'm getting your point here, I thought Unz was generally pro-Latino? And Mr. Hack and AP at least seem to be rather fond of Mexicans (I have no personal opinion on the matter btw, will leave that to Americans).

    But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.
     
    Maybe. Or maybe not. The Moors left some genetic traces in Spain, but a lot of the Moriscoes were eventually just expelled, because they still were seen as a potential fifth column even after several generations under Christian rule.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @AnonfromTN

    , @songbird
    @Yevardian


    But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.
     
    Gypsies have been in Romania for about 600 years, though many came into the 17th century.
  187. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    His question is actually excellent. What exactly is Farage proposing to do done about it? Predictably, Farage didn’t respond.
     
    Farage has always been a gatekeeper, and been involved in trying to delegitimize the BNP, so one can't expect him to veer too much from establishment thinking, beyond limiting immigration.

    Seems pretty clear to me that Sajid Javid wasn't challenging Farage's approach though, so much as nakedly gloating. I just find that really remarkable. He could have privately gloated, but chose to publicly gloat. If he were Labor, that probably wouldn't be too much out of the ordinary, but the fact that he is a Tory, and is a member of this party which at least rhetorically many times has promised to limit immigration is pretty shocking. Though I understand he lost his seat recently.

    It is also kind of shocking because the Tories are really diversitarian. They are very much a civic nationalist, AA party, promoting women and non-Euros to be their public face, even in districts that are still fairly British. Anyway, I think it is pretty evident that this is not a winning strategy for Europeans and that it is impossible to win the loyalty of people like Javid by giving them anything.

    And beyond that, I'd say that I don't think that there is any level of muliculturalism that will work for Europeans. Any foreign group in Europe will predominantly be partisans for their own kind and for open borders and other policies that favor them, and will find any level of advocacy for Europeans extremely offensive.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Seems pretty clear to me that Sajid Javid wasn’t challenging Farage’s approach though, so much as nakedly gloating. I just find that really remarkable.

    It’s not so clear to me that gloating was the primary motive. I think it was more likely an attempt to get Farage to say something “racist,” both as part of the broader cultural struggle against “racism,” and in order to establish that “this is not who we are” regarding the identity of the conservative party. That latter struggle has been taking place for decades, not just in Britain but all across the western world.

    It’s not exactly a secret. There was an ABC (Australia) documentary called “The Liberals” (the conservative party here) filmed in the early 90s, tracing its development since WWII. One segment featured the then current premier of New South Wales, Nick Greiner, talking about the need to “modernize” the party and get rid of the older Anglo-Saxon bigot types – he said it all very casually and with a laugh, as though it were the most obvious thing in the world, kinda like “hehe, yeah, we’ve been tolerating them in our ranks for a long while, but it’s time for them to go, you know”. (Yeah, if you’re wondering, Early Life puts him at a quarter Jew.) The Javid comment is just the most recent example of this contest.

    • Thanks: songbird
  188. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @Yevardian

    Actually, I don't think my point even has to be made, especially here. Just look at Our Benefactor's work regarding Latinos in the United States.


    Have you seen some of the recent videos of rioting Moroccans (or rather Moroccan-Belgians, I suppose) in Belgium, after their ancestral team won a game in the world cup?
     
    Obviously the vast majority should never have been accepted to Belgium in the first place, but I think everyone here agrees on that anyway. But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    Just look at Our Benefactor’s work regarding Latinos in the United States.

    Not sure I’m getting your point here, I thought Unz was generally pro-Latino? And Mr. Hack and AP at least seem to be rather fond of Mexicans (I have no personal opinion on the matter btw, will leave that to Americans).

    But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.

    Maybe. Or maybe not. The Moors left some genetic traces in Spain, but a lot of the Moriscoes were eventually just expelled, because they still were seen as a potential fifth column even after several generations under Christian rule.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    Not sure I’m getting your point here, I thought Unz was generally pro-Latino? And Mr. Hack and AP at least seem to be rather fond of Mexicans (I have no personal opinion on the matter btw, will leave that to Americans).
     
    I mean the 'multicultural' faction was decisively defeated by the 'assimilationist' one during California's debate over bilingual education. There likely would have been calamitous national consequences if things there went differently.

    Maybe. Or maybe not. The Moors left some genetic traces in Spain, but a lot of the Moriscoes were eventually just expelled, because they still were seen as a potential fifth column even after several generations under Christian rule.
     
    Well I'm just speaking in hypotheticals in terms of Belgium, or any other distant place. If anyone emigrated from Pakistan to England in the past, they obviously couldn't maintain any communication with their homeland, let alone regularly jet-set back and forth to have their daughters private parts mutilated by 'surgeons' so they could honourably marry their cousins in the name of their sick and retarded religion and culture.
    Obviously Spain and Morocco were and are bordering countries, so that's different.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader

    OT (if you can be OT in an open thread)
    I was told that this is a German joke. I am curious whether it actually is German:

    A German boy asks his father
    - Why is it so cold and so dark?
    - Because Russia invaded Ukraine, and European Union sanctioned Russia, to make Russians suffer.
    - Are we Russians?

    Replies: @German_reader

  189. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Just look at Our Benefactor’s work regarding Latinos in the United States.
     
    Not sure I'm getting your point here, I thought Unz was generally pro-Latino? And Mr. Hack and AP at least seem to be rather fond of Mexicans (I have no personal opinion on the matter btw, will leave that to Americans).

    But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.
     
    Maybe. Or maybe not. The Moors left some genetic traces in Spain, but a lot of the Moriscoes were eventually just expelled, because they still were seen as a potential fifth column even after several generations under Christian rule.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @AnonfromTN

    Not sure I’m getting your point here, I thought Unz was generally pro-Latino? And Mr. Hack and AP at least seem to be rather fond of Mexicans (I have no personal opinion on the matter btw, will leave that to Americans).

    I mean the ‘multicultural’ faction was decisively defeated by the ‘assimilationist’ one during California’s debate over bilingual education. There likely would have been calamitous national consequences if things there went differently.

    Maybe. Or maybe not. The Moors left some genetic traces in Spain, but a lot of the Moriscoes were eventually just expelled, because they still were seen as a potential fifth column even after several generations under Christian rule.

    Well I’m just speaking in hypotheticals in terms of Belgium, or any other distant place. If anyone emigrated from Pakistan to England in the past, they obviously couldn’t maintain any communication with their homeland, let alone regularly jet-set back and forth to have their daughters private parts mutilated by ‘surgeons’ so they could honourably marry their cousins in the name of their sick and retarded religion and culture.
    Obviously Spain and Morocco were and are bordering countries, so that’s different.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    The ruling class or millionaire Pakistani people are very "Western", "nontraditional" and "modern".

    Pakistani person I knew, who was like a stereotype of a secular hipster. He was directly from Pakistan, but you would not feel he was not from Los Angeles or Milan. So, I'm not sure the explanation, that "jet travel" would be the main cause of less assimilating immigrants.

    Pakistan's immigrants in United Kingdom were mostly not just from the third world, but the most poor and rural peasants, many who had been displaced by modernization projects in Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mirpuris

    Probably these poor people have become more closed societies in the new country.

    I know it's not a reliable historical source, but the Wikipedia article is showing interesting history in the immigration. The British corporation which had created a dam that displaces their villages in Pakistan, has funded the immigration of the Mirpur people.


    More than 280 villages were submerged by water when the Mangla Dam was built. The towns of Mirpur and Dadyal were also flooded. Around 110,000 people were displaced.[6] Coincidentally, Britain at that time needed cheap workers, mainly for textile factories as British workers had begun to become expensive due to rising wages. Up to 5,000 people from Mirpur (5% of the displaced)[7] left for Britain, and the displaced Mirpuris were given legal and financial assistance by the British contractor that built the dam. Many started working in factories, mostly in the so-called "Black Country" near Birmingham, and in Bradford and Leeds. In some villages of Mirpur, more than half of the people moved to the United Kingdom to settle in the industrial towns.

    The rural, impoverished district provided cheap, unskilled labour for Britain in the 1960s and the 1970s. Families tend to be close-knit and the guiding influence behind everything from marriage to business.[9] In 1960s, Mirpur was considered to be a rural and conservative area. Due to the Mirpuri diaspora, the region witnessed significant economic progress and has become one of the most prosperous areas of Azad Kashmir.[10]

     

  190. @Yahya
    @Thulean Friend


    I would include Farage in that category also, even if he is more “based” in his rhetoric. That’s probably true of most European so-called “far-right populists”, including Salvini
     
    PM Meloni seems to be earnest in her desire to stop the flow of migration into Italy. On the other hand, she did once say Italy should “repatriate migrants back to their countries and then sink the boats that rescued them”, but now in office she’s trying to offload incoming migrants to other European nations by redirecting vessels and signing “redistribution agreements” with countries like France. Members of her anti-migration party were said to have rejoiced when the Ocean Viking landed in France.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/giorgia-meloni-emmanuel-macron-italy-france-clash-migrant-ship-ocean-viking/

    It’s perhaps good for Italy in the short-run but a situation where European countries are trying to dump their problems on each other will lead to a bad outcome over the long run for everyone involved. I’m wondering what legal means Italy or other European nations with anti-migration governments have to disactivate NGOs who ferry migrants across the Med; and whether it is possible for unilateral action? Preventing migration at its source is definitely better than the pass-the-bomb around situation that currently prevails.


    The difference between me and the racial separatists is that I am simply not as pessimistic as the racial separatists are and think we can keep our cultural traditions distinct while still meeting others across the racial, cultural and religious barriers. I live like that and it works splendidly for the most part.
     
    What will your position be if ethnic Swedes constitute 30% or so of the Swedish population? Will you be content with such an outcome? Do you think you’ll still be able to live splendidly?

    (I ask in good faith. Your view is interesting and I admire your willingness to go against the current here; no doubt some commenters here are sharpening their knives at you, and the passive-aggressive ones like ‘S’ squirming in their chairs right now.)

    Replies: @A123

    PM Meloni seems to be earnest in her desire to stop the flow of migration into Italy. … now in office she’s trying to offload incoming migrants to other European nations by redirecting vessels and signing “redistribution agreements” with countries like France.

    It’s perhaps good for Italy in the short-run but a situation where European countries are trying to dump their problems on each other will lead to a bad outcome over the long run for everyone involved.

    The EU exists. Until it is dissolved, Meloni is working in that framework. She is forcing members creating the issue to take the migrants & burden.

    It is similar to what Abbot and DeSantis are doing in the U.S. NYC, Chicago, and other Blue cities are receiving huge hits to their budgets. Inflicting costs on already struggling Leftoid European city governments will sap their will.

    On the other hand, she did once say Italy should “repatriate migrants back to their countries and then sink the boats that rescued them”

    Meloni can return to this later if/when needed. It’s always good to have a contingency option when negotiating.

    Leading with scuttling a German flagged vessel could easily cause the “authoritarian liberal” enemies to close ranks. Separating the most egregious open borders crazies from their less committed brethren is much more vital to the future versus a single, partial boat load of invaders today.

    ===============================
    “When strong, avoid them.
    If of high morale, depress them.
    Seem humble to fill them with conceit.
    If at ease, exhaust them.
    If united, separate them.
    Attack their weaknesses.
    Emerge to their surprise.”

    The Art of War, Sun Tzu
    ===============================

    Preventing migration at its source is definitely better than the pass-the-bomb around situation that currently prevails.

    Preventing the lures that draw migration is also essential. No job, no safety net, expedited expulsion if caught.

    I, and others, advocate for containment processing facilities somewhere in Africa. 100% of all MENA origin, non-Christian illegals & refugees would be immediately sent & kept there. They would not legally enter the EU until their claim is approved. A separate facility would be created elsewhere for Christian illegals & refugees.

    PEACE 😇

  191. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm going to reply to both comments #109 and #110, as they're both related and very much a continuation of the same matter.


    I also feel that your definition of consensus is a bit unseemly, like something coined by a political scientist, or group of them.
     
    The definition was retrieved upon googling in for the definition of "consensus", specifically within a portal answering the question "can "consensus" be quantified. It was somewhat coined probably by some political scientists (and other researchers) and based as a conglomerate term taken from 25 separate studies. It's probably as good as any definition, for this is the kind of thing that political scientists do for a living. Why, do you have a better definition?

    I have observed some negative precedent about these types of narratives firsthand, and I think it’s pretty fair to say now that the negative effects have a geographic scope extending far beyond Germany at this point.
     
    I'd b interested in hearing more about what causes you some sort of fear on your part (at least some sort of anxiety) and how the German experience might negatively effect the Ukrainian one?

    Really, Germany has quite a lot of its own problems, without politicians pretending to be historians or take up some external moral narrative.
     
    Unless you can show me how the time spent on such an important topic (you do agree that it's an important topic?) has somehow impinged on the German parliaments ability to handle more crucial internal German topics, I'll remain unsympathetic to your call for expediency. Also, you'll have to admit that Germany and Ukraine, though not sharing borders, do indeed cohabit the same European space and therefore what is being done there is quite normal and should have been addressed much sooner. Better late than never.

    Leads with “Russian” rather than “Soviet.” A lot of terms employed seem designed to conflate: Kremlin, Moscow. Ends with a call to supply weapons and seemingly never compromise, in order to prevent another genocide.

    And, of course, the Green Party, a most evil group, seem to be leading the charge.
     

    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you've included. It's the interpretation and underlying of the message expressed within that I find to be accurate and historical that should be weighed as to its relative value. As for the Green party's input, I would consider this a case where a "most evil group" does a good thing, whereas not supporting the new German measures may very well be a case where "good people" for whatever reason do a bad thing.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    Why, do you have a better definition?

    I’d prefer a simple accounting of votes. That would be precise and neutral language.

    [MORE]

    you do agree that it’s an important topic?

    I once had an idea that there be some yearlong class about communism, kind of a companion to Civics, which is supposed to be about explaining how the American system works. At least, I think it would fit comfortably in the k-12 system, which I am a critic of, if the fat were trimmed. Of course, the German system is different.

    But the tone of language doesn’t seem about educating about the perils of communism. And I don’t expect that the German system is even capable of acknowledging basic truths, about the history of communism, such as the membership roll of the communist party in the ’30s, when the Holodomor was perpetrated.

    Unless you can show me how the time spent on such an important topic has somehow impinged on the German parliaments ability to handle more crucial internal German topics

    An obstacle to that is that they are a den of scoundrels, and I don’t think highly of their abilities. The same could be said for the Irish parliament which had earlier approved similar measures.

    But philosophically a lot can be said for forms. How can these parliaments be good advocates for Ukrainians, when they are perpetually such poor advocates for their own people? I think that they should try to develop and keep a tradition of caring for their own people.

    They are both facing an immigration crisis, and an energy crisis. Ireland has a major housing crisis. Not a minor one. But a really major one. To some extent, my mother grew up in public housing – that is housing built to be affordable for families, under a nationalist system of looking out for your own people. That seems to be dead now, and, in all probably she would never have been born under the current system, which serves foreigners first, and is designed for single bugmen, nor any of her children or grandchildren.

    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you’ve included.

    these people are supposed to be journalists. They are supposed to be professional and unbiased and to know that Russia and the USSR were two different countries, with different political systems, but they are intentionally conflating them, in order to try to make the Holodomor a tool for bashing Russia, for avoiding any compromise or negotiation, however sensible, for unnecessarily killing tens of thousands of Slavs, or perhaps even more, by prolonging the conflict.

    I wouldn’t say that they are friends of Ukraine, though they are probably narcissistic enough to think so.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    How can these parliaments be good advocates for Ukrainians, when they are perpetually such poor advocates for their own people? I think that they should try to develop and keep a tradition of caring for their own people.
     
    You make a good cynical point here. All I can say here is that one wrong and one right doesn't necessarily add up to one big wrong. :-)

    They are supposed to be professional and unbiased and to know that Russia and the USSR were two different countries, with different political systems, but they are intentionally conflating them, in order to try to make the Holodomor a tool for bashing Russia,
     
    Well, the former Soviet Union had its capital in Moscow and the Russian language was the imperial ligua grancua for the whole country, often relegating the other national languages to obscurity and slated for eventual total elimination. In Ukraine's case, except for the first 10 years when the Bolsheviks were trying to consolidate their rule within Ukraine, the Russian language was encouraged in all levels of the government, military, educational system and TV and radio communications. Also, as the official "successor state of the Soviet Union" it's not really very difficult to understand why the terms "Soviet Union" and "Russian" are so often interchanged, one for the other.
  192. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    It's not necessary to enforce it through overt means, since after a couple generations it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain a separate identity. Such Foederati, as Sher Singh would call them, are useful in eliminating and diluting what the progressives see as native Euro's or American's negative traits. However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred "vibrant" communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.

    Progressive technocrats are like the Borg, ultimately it is always going to come down to, "assimilate or die".

    I think that the situation that Sher Singh and his Sikh brethren or Muslims will ultimately face is one similar to what has recently happened with Red America. The Republican electorate was shamelessly brainwashed and used for decades to enthusiastically forward a pro-corporate, anti-jobs, pro-security state, pro -American empire political agenda. All of these policies were actually undermining their position and once their usefulness was exhausted they have been cast aside to rot. Only now does the "Right" see that perhaps global corporations and the FBI are not their friends, but the realization is a little late to mean much.

    So if all the minorities want to try to play the system for gain they can try, but I think they will all be expected to kneel before a drag queen eventually. Once that realization fully hits it will probably be too late to really resist it with full strength.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Coconuts

    Only now does the “Right” see that perhaps global corporations and the FBI are not their friends, but the realization is a little late to mean much.

    What do you hope to achieve with your policy of highly vocal calls for “unilateral surrender”? If everyone believed you, what would be the outcome?

    Why not embrace the MAGA fight against global MegaCorporations? Even if it is too late, is that not the only morally correct choice? Giving up is akin to suicide.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • LOL: German_reader
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @A123

    I'm not calling for unilateral surrender, it's just important to understand the past realistically. If Red America had opposed the security state expansions under W. Bush tooth and nail, we could have plausibly avoided it entirely. It's a lot easier to head something off rather than topple an entrenched system.

    So, there is a certain irony to conservatives realizing that these systems have a downside only when they look down the barrel of the gun they built.

    A lot of Left wing people are being similarly played for fools right now to advance further consolidation of power. They'll figure it out in a few years when they are no longer needed.

    Besides, if I was giving up I wouldn't have 5 kids and be putting so much effort into their upbringing. However, if we are talking about the way out of this it has to focus on heading of indoctrination of our kids, while living a positive value system that has substance.

    Myopic focus on national politics often detracts from this. I don't know how many people in their 50's and 60's I talk to that are aghast at what their children believe in. However they largely outsourced parenting to schools and TV. You reap what you sow, and conservatives better start working that ground a lot harder if they want to take society back.

    There are plenty of good parents out there who have done a great job raising their kids to be happily counter-cultural, and I'm thankful for them. However, it's a only a minority. Until conservatives get it through their heads that they live in a wholly hostile society they are going to behave naively.

    People are starting to get it, but it's too late to avoid a sizable gap generation or two that will overwhelmingly passively tolerant of Woke messaging. This is going to be painful times for a while. Even if Trump or Desantis is elected in 2024 it's not going to change what's already baked into society.

    Replies: @A123

  193. @Mikel
    Have Western leaders thought through this latest move to cap the price of Russian oil and enforce it worldwide through Western insurance companies or is this going to hit us all again like a ton of bricks at the pump and the grocery stores?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Have Western leaders thought through this latest move to cap the price of Russian oil and enforce it worldwide through Western insurance companies or is this going to hit us all again like a ton of bricks at the pump and the grocery stores?

    The latter is about to happen. Here is the view from The Economist:
    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/11/30/the-wests-proposed-price-cap-on-russian-oil-is-no-magic-weapon

    Nothing new, though. The EU introduced umpteenth packet of sanctions against Russia. Net result: Russian cities shine at night like a Christmas tree in a rich house, whereas Europe in in darkness. Europe is preparing for worse times. Switzerland is even planning to ban EVs and limit the temperature at which you can launder your clothes to save electricity. As Russian saying puts it, that’s how you teach the fools.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    The economic downturn will depress energy demand - Europe is already in one, US will follow. The oil cap was set at $60 and the market could go down to that price on its own - and Baerbock will claim a 'victory'.

    Europe is in a no-win situation: the resources it depends on will be unavailable or too expensive. EU can issue more 'money' and pay people to consume, there is a lot of accumulated wealth to go through. But it is not sustainable.

    There is one winning scenario: Nato defeats Russia in Ukraine and Europe gets its share of spoils in the east. It is very unlikely, but the fact that the top people repeat it like a mantra - "Russia must not be allowed to win" - tells us what is going on. The problem is that Nato has spent 75 years getting ready to fight a war with Russia and today when they finally have a war Nato is nowhere to be seen...this is a catastrophic failure, an admission that they are too scared to fight. I am not sure they can talk their way out of it. But they will try.

    , @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    Regardless of how much one thinks that we should support Ukraine, everybody should demand basic competence from our economic authorities, like making sure that the sanctions they impose don't harm us more than the intended recipient. This is exactly what happened with the initial sanctions centered around gas and I'm wondering if any lesson was learned.

    They have the public on their side. The MSM has made sure of that and, frankly, so has Russia by starting this brutal war of choice. But you don't mess with the price of oil. It affects absolutely everything. Either they have been planning things very carefully during these past months of deliberations about the oil price cap or we're headed towards another disaster that will disproportionately harm the more vulnerable people without having any effect on the war.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  194. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Bartendress Annalena in a dim light, noisy music, few drinks, sure she would do well on tips. And no talk of physics or geography.

    But I still think she climbs over 100 - we make a mistake assigning real smarts to the 100-110 band, they are competent, functional, their brain cells move, they simply lack education and critical thinking.

    Baerbock was probably fast-tracked as a 'girl with potential', never challenged and never forced to learn anything hard - like understanding the mysterious magic of electric outlets - it is not all her fault. These people rule us, or are the favorite group to stick up front by the people who do, but they generally make no decisions. Baerbock knows that she should push the war and downplay any consequences - Biden is the same. When the war will be lost and the consequences too dire, they will be quietly replaced.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    When the war will be lost and the consequences too dire, they will be quietly replaced.

    That’s the beauty of having rulers hidden and figureheads displayed to the gullible public. You can make them scapegoats and replace disposable nonentities without damaging your power or being accountable for your blunders.

  195. @German_reader
    @Barbarossa


    since after a couple generations it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain a separate identity.
     
    Have you seen some of the recent videos of rioting Moroccans (or rather Moroccan-Belgians, I suppose) in Belgium, after their ancestral team won a game in the world cup? Sure, there are probably plenty of other Moroccans who are assimilated in many ways, living nice bourgeois lives, and maybe even hold the fashionable "progressive" views about acronym people. But others are outright hostile to the society surrounding them (and that hostility can take worse forms than just rioting, remember the Paris terrorist attacks a few years ago and their perpetrators from Molenbeek), even if they're already the 3rd generation living there. So I don't think assimilation is as inevitable as you think it is (though it may be different in America, I don't know).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I don’t think assimilation is as inevitable as you think it is

    Assimilation is anything but inevitable. Actually, Jews (often mentioned on this site) are an instructive example: they maintained their separate identity for centuries.

    One of my (Jewish) friends proposed an interesting theory. He said that Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation. Are Muslim customs idiotic enough for that purpose?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...interesting theory...Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation.
     
    Idiocy is an intentional part of all ideologies. It assures loyalty because forcing faith in an idiotic custom or ideas changes people, they become emotionally dependent on the made-up world. They defend it and grow fond of the idiocies that become part of them.

    Liberalism has introduced gender nonsense and racial idiocy for the same reason - for decades (centuries) they suffered from being too rational, too normal. They kept on losing to upstart ideologies that captured people with enthusiastic embrace of idiocies - 'he died for our sins!', 'divine right to rule', 'blood and nation' or 'we will abolish money!' Now the liberals are exceeding even that and the woke loyalties are cemented with the idiocy. It also shows that liberalism is close to its natural end...

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    One of my (Jewish) friends proposed an interesting theory. He said that Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation.
     
    Idiotic is probably not the best term. How about idiosyncratic?

    Orthodox Jews give their children unique clothing and hair. And, orthodox adults protect them as a team effort. Any thing heading towards Boy Meets Girl across that obvious divide of visible difference will draw immediate intervention.

    PEACE 😇
  196. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Have Western leaders thought through this latest move to cap the price of Russian oil and enforce it worldwide through Western insurance companies or is this going to hit us all again like a ton of bricks at the pump and the grocery stores?
     
    The latter is about to happen. Here is the view from The Economist:
    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/11/30/the-wests-proposed-price-cap-on-russian-oil-is-no-magic-weapon

    Nothing new, though. The EU introduced umpteenth packet of sanctions against Russia. Net result: Russian cities shine at night like a Christmas tree in a rich house, whereas Europe in in darkness. Europe is preparing for worse times. Switzerland is even planning to ban EVs and limit the temperature at which you can launder your clothes to save electricity. As Russian saying puts it, that’s how you teach the fools.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

    The economic downturn will depress energy demand – Europe is already in one, US will follow. The oil cap was set at $60 and the market could go down to that price on its own – and Baerbock will claim a ‘victory’.

    Europe is in a no-win situation: the resources it depends on will be unavailable or too expensive. EU can issue more ‘money’ and pay people to consume, there is a lot of accumulated wealth to go through. But it is not sustainable.

    There is one winning scenario: Nato defeats Russia in Ukraine and Europe gets its share of spoils in the east. It is very unlikely, but the fact that the top people repeat it like a mantra – “Russia must not be allowed to win” – tells us what is going on. The problem is that Nato has spent 75 years getting ready to fight a war with Russia and today when they finally have a war Nato is nowhere to be seen…this is a catastrophic failure, an admission that they are too scared to fight. I am not sure they can talk their way out of it. But they will try.

  197. Sher Singh says:
    @Yevardian
    @Thulean Friend


    I have more respect for racial separatism than I do for Yevardian’s assimiliationism, because at least it has a more realistic view of human nature and we would have less instances of trying to force diversity into fundamentally White lore, myths and legends under the misguided notion of trying to make everyone the same. LOTR is just the latest abomination. As I argued, assimilationism isn’t just harmful to minorities. It’s harmful to Whites, as it dilutes our cultural distinction.
     
    The crucial distinction here is these people live under the same state, in the same cities, often in the same neighborhoods.
    Racial separatism is why national borders exist, and indeed was always the main justification for all ordinary people through history. Immigrants always assimilated to the places they moved in the past, with the exception of a few 'Rootless Cosmopolitans' (Jews, Parsis, Armenians) with strong international connections, usually because they were merchants. Or those unable to adapt simply due to lack of ability (dalit-descended gypsies, descendents of black slaves).
    Now with modern technology the threat of every new immigrant group forming a permanent aggreived minority is much greater. Those that don't accept or actively despise the value of the society that hosts them are cancers in the body politic and should be deported.

    Maintaining dozens of separate racio-cultural identies within the same country can only lead to resentment and dysfunctionality at best (Belgium) or unending communal violence and total political nepotism at worst.
    Lack of any overarching national identity or assimilation to one is why the Middle-East is such a hobbesian shithole, despite the averaged quality of people there not being noticeably worse than Europe. A racially divided caste society would be a dystopia for Europe.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Sher Singh

    Assimilation needs a material & legal incentive – neither exists.
    Factory jobs don’t support households,
    Ethnically politicked corporate jobs do.

    Assimilation to a house + lawn may make sense.
    The Kardashians don’t, and they made you White.
    The path to whiteness for browns is nigger-loving.

    You’re correct that the internet + airlines impede assimilation.

    ————————–
    @barbarossa

    By foederati I include an eventual military element.
    Within 6 months of the convoy where white cops refused to act,
    The Canadian gov opened military positions to non-citizens.
    The Liberal state loses legitimacy + capability despite harsher rhetoric.
    Material strength & loyalty really.

    Not in the business of making predictions, but a few points stand out.

    1. Assimilation doesn’t remove clannish criminality, only its political utility.
    2. The libs may want immigrants to bend the knee, but they may not.

    The Right ultimately crumbled because its elite was granted upward mobility.
    Carrot + Stick. Either the carrot’s big enough or you fall to the stick.
    The Southern Middle Class was given positions in the MIC before de-segregation hit.

    The prosperity to buy off the entire MENA + Subcon elite doesn’t exist.
    When it did, like before the 70s you saw women with skirts in Kabul & Tehran.

    Karlin often comments that tech transfer needs a capable recipient.
    Same with legal backing ie nerdy blacks won’t beat you for saying nigger.
    Singhs are mobilizing, but even the farmer’s protest felt hollow till the Red Fort attack.

    Basically, I don’t know but check the infographics below more for white lib stats:

    [MORE]

    https://occidentaldissent.com/2022/12/01/nowhiteguilt-responds-to-counter-currents/

    Older stats on that site showed Asian cons were 9% ethno-centric vs like 15 for Asian libs.
    Asian cons being white-washed cucks checks out.

    Assimilation can decrease over generations as the community establishes institutions.
    Diaspora won’t be like the homeland, but it can be politically useful like Ukr-Canadians.

    Liberals went ultra-woke due to Obamaphones + Trump. Who knows where next?

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
  198. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I don’t think assimilation is as inevitable as you think it is
     
    Assimilation is anything but inevitable. Actually, Jews (often mentioned on this site) are an instructive example: they maintained their separate identity for centuries.

    One of my (Jewish) friends proposed an interesting theory. He said that Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation. Are Muslim customs idiotic enough for that purpose?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …interesting theory…Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation.

    Idiocy is an intentional part of all ideologies. It assures loyalty because forcing faith in an idiotic custom or ideas changes people, they become emotionally dependent on the made-up world. They defend it and grow fond of the idiocies that become part of them.

    Liberalism has introduced gender nonsense and racial idiocy for the same reason – for decades (centuries) they suffered from being too rational, too normal. They kept on losing to upstart ideologies that captured people with enthusiastic embrace of idiocies – ‘he died for our sins!‘, ‘divine right to rule‘, ‘blood and nation‘ or ‘we will abolish money!‘ Now the liberals are exceeding even that and the woke loyalties are cemented with the idiocy. It also shows that liberalism is close to its natural end…

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Beckow

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040104857660555284/1048702097752870972/Feminism_1.jpg

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040104857660555284/1048702097979342988/IMG-20161008-WA0002.jpg

  199. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I don’t think assimilation is as inevitable as you think it is
     
    Assimilation is anything but inevitable. Actually, Jews (often mentioned on this site) are an instructive example: they maintained their separate identity for centuries.

    One of my (Jewish) friends proposed an interesting theory. He said that Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation. Are Muslim customs idiotic enough for that purpose?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    One of my (Jewish) friends proposed an interesting theory. He said that Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation.

    Idiotic is probably not the best term. How about idiosyncratic?

    Orthodox Jews give their children unique clothing and hair. And, orthodox adults protect them as a team effort. Any thing heading towards Boy Meets Girl across that obvious divide of visible difference will draw immediate intervention.

    PEACE 😇

  200. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...interesting theory...Jewish customs are intentionally idiotic, so that no sane gentile would accept them, and that prevents interbreeding and assimilation.
     
    Idiocy is an intentional part of all ideologies. It assures loyalty because forcing faith in an idiotic custom or ideas changes people, they become emotionally dependent on the made-up world. They defend it and grow fond of the idiocies that become part of them.

    Liberalism has introduced gender nonsense and racial idiocy for the same reason - for decades (centuries) they suffered from being too rational, too normal. They kept on losing to upstart ideologies that captured people with enthusiastic embrace of idiocies - 'he died for our sins!', 'divine right to rule', 'blood and nation' or 'we will abolish money!' Now the liberals are exceeding even that and the woke loyalties are cemented with the idiocy. It also shows that liberalism is close to its natural end...

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  201. @Yevardian
    @Yevardian

    Actually, I don't think my point even has to be made, especially here. Just look at Our Benefactor's work regarding Latinos in the United States.


    Have you seen some of the recent videos of rioting Moroccans (or rather Moroccan-Belgians, I suppose) in Belgium, after their ancestral team won a game in the world cup?
     
    Obviously the vast majority should never have been accepted to Belgium in the first place, but I think everyone here agrees on that anyway. But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.

    Gypsies have been in Romania for about 600 years, though many came into the 17th century.

  202. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Just look at Our Benefactor’s work regarding Latinos in the United States.
     
    Not sure I'm getting your point here, I thought Unz was generally pro-Latino? And Mr. Hack and AP at least seem to be rather fond of Mexicans (I have no personal opinion on the matter btw, will leave that to Americans).

    But if those Moroccans arrived a few centuries ago before modern technology, I think they probably would have assimilated.
     
    Maybe. Or maybe not. The Moors left some genetic traces in Spain, but a lot of the Moriscoes were eventually just expelled, because they still were seen as a potential fifth column even after several generations under Christian rule.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @AnonfromTN

    OT (if you can be OT in an open thread)
    I was told that this is a German joke. I am curious whether it actually is German:

    A German boy asks his father
    – Why is it so cold and so dark?
    – Because Russia invaded Ukraine, and European Union sanctioned Russia, to make Russians suffer.
    – Are we Russians?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
    I get it, you feel a mixture of schadenfreude and disappointment. Ok. And yes, Germany, and with it much of Europe, is screwed. Anything else?
    What's your view of Russia's future btw? China's junior partner and wannabe benefactor of negroes in places like Burkina Faso, and domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @songbird

  203. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you’ve included.
     
    It's a distortion though to view Holodomor purely or primarily through a national lens, the Soviet regime also waged war against peasants in Russia and against pastoralists in places like Kazakhstan. This is about weaponizing history (and by now it's pretty old history, virtually everyone involved is dead) for present-day purposes, not about getting at historical truth (insofar as that's ever possible).
    And anyway, I doubt these measures will do Ukraine much good given the current situation. I have to admit I'm always veering between thinking that Ukraine has no chance of outright defeating Russia or that there's a danger of a battle for Crimea leading to nuclear escalation...but right now the former looks more likely again, given how Russia seems to be able to demolish so much of Ukrainian infrastructure. I just hope people like MacGregor are full of shit and wrong in their claims that there'll be a major Russian ground offensive in the coming months.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s a distortion though to view Holodomor purely or primarily through a national lens, the Soviet regime also waged war against peasants in Russia and against pastoralists in places like Kazakhstan.

    I could be wrong, however, I don’t think that the destruction of the intelligentsia and the clergy of other countries within the Soviet Union, was nearly so drastic as within Ukraine. The similarities ended at the economic destruction of these countries, as the kremlin elites were very interested in collecting foodstuffs in order to sell these items to raise more money for more of their sordid plans. Otherwise, one could view these similar events in other countries as further examples of genocide. You couldn’t possibly think that Lemkin made these accusations in the Ukrainian case of the Holodomor based on his inability to be objective and due to his myopic view seen through a “national lens”, as he was himself a Polish Jew?

    but right now the former looks more likely again, given how Russia seems to be able to demolish so much of Ukrainian infrastructure.

    You’re right about Russia’s pernicious actions within Ukraine and the further destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure. Here are some current photos of the destruction of Bakhmut by Russian bombing, that’s been fought over for several weeks now. Fortunately it’s a small town, that has yet not been taken and indicates the slow motion of the Russian advance in the area:
    Another school detroyed by Russian forces in Bakhmut. The price t pay for creating the new Russian World within Ukraine?
    Bakkhmut, possibly another Russian “trophy” within Ukraine – looks a lot like Mariupol.,

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t think that the destruction of the intelligentsia and the clergy of other countries within the Soviet Union, was nearly so drastic as within Ukraine.
     
    I don't know, the Soviets killed lots of people, including lots of ethnic Russians. I mean, there was something like the Butovo execution site near Moscow where they shot Russian clergymen, and many others, during the Great Terror. So it just feels forced to me to pretend that all this was merely about great Russian chauvinism, which it seems to me is implied in some of the current interpretations of Holodomor.

    that has yet not been taken and indicates the slow motion of the Russian advance in the area:
     
    I think the danger (and probably the aim) is that Ukraine becomes unlivable for many people during winter because of the destruction of infrastructure (no power, no heating, no water...).
  204. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader

    OT (if you can be OT in an open thread)
    I was told that this is a German joke. I am curious whether it actually is German:

    A German boy asks his father
    - Why is it so cold and so dark?
    - Because Russia invaded Ukraine, and European Union sanctioned Russia, to make Russians suffer.
    - Are we Russians?

    Replies: @German_reader

    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
    I get it, you feel a mixture of schadenfreude and disappointment. Ok. And yes, Germany, and with it much of Europe, is screwed. Anything else?
    What’s your view of Russia’s future btw? China’s junior partner and wannabe benefactor of negroes in places like Burkina Faso, and domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
     
    I just asked whether this joke is German. Not because I hold a pretty common outside Germany belief that Germans don’t have a sense of humor. I know enough Germans to be confident that they do (or, rather the fraction of the population lacking it is about the same in Germany as in other places). It just did not sound quite German to me, that’s all. But you did not answer my question.

    What’s your view of Russia’s future btw?
     
    I don’t think that’s settled. It certainly won’t be China’s junior partner: China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white, having ample natural resources, and having pretty qualified and ambitious workforce.

    domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?
     
    That’s a rather stupid myth spread by the propaganda of dying empire and its even faster deteriorating vassals. Minimal analysis of the facts would dispel it for a person thinking logically. One, in terms of brutality (use of truncheons and tear gas on demonstrators or firearms on citizens) Russian police is way behind the police of self-appointed “democratic” countries. Just remember how Yellow wests were treated in France, or how demonstrators demanding elementary sanity are treated right now all over Europe. Not to mention totally illegal repressions against Jan 6, 2021 demonstrators or police shooting people in the US. Not to mention Assange case, a veritable travesty of justice: a charge faked by Swedish police, that was dropped when it became impossible to deny that it was fake; nonetheless his long detention in solitary confinement in high-security prison in the UK, and now the decision to extradite a person guilty of nothing to the US.

    It terms of democracy, if we mean real one (government following the desires of the population) Russia is way ahead of Western “democracies”. E.g., Putin’s approval among Russian population is higher than what “democratic” leaders can even dream of (or dare to fake via election fraud). Very recent ban by Congress of a strike of the US railway workers (who, among other things, demanded at least seven days of paid sick leave per year, as right now they have zero) is a fresh example of “democracy”.

    Besides, unlike thoroughly brainwashed docile Europeans and Americans, Russians are not cowards. They rose up against traitorous thieves in 1993, just two years into Yeltsin rule, and the regime had to spill a lot of blood to put down that rebellion.

    So, I can’t predict Russia’s future, but I can predict the future of decrepit Europe.

    Anyway, is that joke really German?

    Replies: @German_reader, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Yahya

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader


    China’s junior partner
     
    It doesn't work that way:

    1. PRC has good relations with Ukraine, who in turn is probably not going to go against China on the Taiwan Question.

    2. Few PRC elites want to move to Russia, and no Russians want to move to China. Recently top Chicom propagandist Zhao Lijian was outted as having been living in Germany. And Jack Ma has moved to Japan,

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/29/alibaba-founder-jack-ma-hiding-out-in-tokyo-reports-say

    3. Russia's tradition in the Far East is to instigate enmity between China and Japan. Herr Professor from TN said in the last thread the equivalent of-- I have English colleagues, and most of them hate Germans, and the feeling is mutual.

    And here we are again:

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133

    https://news.usni.org/2022/11/30/japanese-korean-fighters-scrambled-in-response-to-joint-russia-china-bomber-patrol

    But he's right about Russia selling more crucial commodities. PRC exports alot of trinkets which people can figure to do without.

    Wagenknecht did an interview together with Alice Weidel and looked like they had alot of chemistry together. Mega geil.

    https://youtu.be/1U_DamvhkWs?t=3601

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    What’s your view of Russia’s future btw? China’s junior partner
     
    Don't think it is especially likely, but I would say there is at least a possibility that Russia becomes dominant again.

    That would be Russia righting its demographic decline, while China fails to, or is late to the party. Maybe, some core of Euro professionals being drawn to Russia, as the West reaches a more significant threshold of decline. It may also be possible, that China makes a precipitous move on Taiwan, which weakens it significantly.

    Of course, there are no signs of this happening now, and people like Zeihan are already dancing on Russia's grave, saying demographic trends mean it will cease to exist in 50 years time. Seems a bit premature to me, especially as he takes such a blank-slatist view of age cohorts in the West.
  205. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    It's not necessary to enforce it through overt means, since after a couple generations it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain a separate identity. Such Foederati, as Sher Singh would call them, are useful in eliminating and diluting what the progressives see as native Euro's or American's negative traits. However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred "vibrant" communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.

    Progressive technocrats are like the Borg, ultimately it is always going to come down to, "assimilate or die".

    I think that the situation that Sher Singh and his Sikh brethren or Muslims will ultimately face is one similar to what has recently happened with Red America. The Republican electorate was shamelessly brainwashed and used for decades to enthusiastically forward a pro-corporate, anti-jobs, pro-security state, pro -American empire political agenda. All of these policies were actually undermining their position and once their usefulness was exhausted they have been cast aside to rot. Only now does the "Right" see that perhaps global corporations and the FBI are not their friends, but the realization is a little late to mean much.

    So if all the minorities want to try to play the system for gain they can try, but I think they will all be expected to kneel before a drag queen eventually. Once that realization fully hits it will probably be too late to really resist it with full strength.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Coconuts

    However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred “vibrant” communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.

    In Europe I am starting to doubt whether this will be possible. You can see in the UK that a lot of the bigger ethnic minority communities are becoming diasporas, closely connected to countries with much larger (and more youthful) populations. Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are still bringing in wives/husbands from their homelands each generation. The fact they are minorities promotes higher levels of group solidarity, they seem to be retaining or reviving traditional religion/customs and afaik, still maintain a higher birthrate, about double that of the white British.

    The recent trends in politics around BLM and historic colonialism suggest ethnic minorities are starting to assert themselves in the educational and cultural fields, maybe assisted by white progressives, but the latter may be just surrendering to new pressures and realities created by more youthful population groups.

    The things GR and Yevardian mentioned, the state trying to micro-manage things and failing due to advancing idiocracy and divided citizenry and the development of overtly communal politics don’t seem like implausible possibilities for the future.

    I wonder now whether progressives and globalists had clear ideas of what they were doing when they started pursuing the mass-migration option in the 90s. Sometimes you see interviews with Tony Blair where it looks like he is aware he misjudged this one.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    still maintain a higher birthrate, about double that of the white British.
     
    In the data until 2005, their trend had been converging, although it is not like the Hindu and Caribbean immigrants who were already converged in the 1987-1994.

    https://i.imgur.com/vYaNQtz.jpg

    In 1987, the nationalities of Pakistan and Bangladesh immigrants of United Kingdom were around half the fertility of their home country.

    Pakistan immigrants in the United Kingdom were from the poorest region of Pakistan, in the new country, they had half of the fertility rate of Pakistan in 1987-1994.

    A funny scenario until 2005 is Bangladesh. Because now Bangladesh country is converging to the United Kingdom even with the vast difference of economic development. It would interesting to know if the Bangladesh immigrants have not converged.

    https://i.imgur.com/eR4ZKCX.jpg

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Barbarossa
    @Coconuts

    In reply to GR and yourself, I don't discount the possibility that the liberal establishment has miscalculated on mass immigration. The establishment has a supreme faith in it's ability that all things are fundamentally manageable. This led to a lot of the stupidity around Covid responses. Some things in this world cannot be infinitely managed.

    Honestly, I actually hope immigration will be indigestible for the liberal West and that those groups will prove intractable. As I've said before, the future that I find most daunting is that of liberalism continuing it's current trajectory. Anything that undermines that seriously is okay with me. It doesn't mean that I will like a great many of the direct consequences of that, since it will continue to cause more societal breakdown and chaos.


    The recent trends in politics around BLM and historic colonialism suggest ethnic minorities are starting to assert themselves in the educational and cultural fields, maybe assisted by white progressives,
     
    I'm not talking about these people since they are just as representative of liberalism as white progressives. Skin color doesn't matter to the progressives as long as their liberal values are represented and internalized.

    What I'm thinking is that the liberal establishment fully expects that the hordes of Pakistanis et. al are going to be happy to become fully integrated into materialistic consumer society. If those groups refuse to integrate then they will start getting increasingly more overt pressure to do so.

    the development of overtly communal politics
     
    I think this plausible and is not a possibility that I'm opposed to since aligning politics more on the lines of direct and local material concerns is more reasonable than more prone to manipulation theoretical national politics.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  206. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Why, do you have a better definition?
     
    I'd prefer a simple accounting of votes. That would be precise and neutral language.

    you do agree that it’s an important topic?
     
    I once had an idea that there be some yearlong class about communism, kind of a companion to Civics, which is supposed to be about explaining how the American system works. At least, I think it would fit comfortably in the k-12 system, which I am a critic of, if the fat were trimmed. Of course, the German system is different.

    But the tone of language doesn't seem about educating about the perils of communism. And I don't expect that the German system is even capable of acknowledging basic truths, about the history of communism, such as the membership roll of the communist party in the '30s, when the Holodomor was perpetrated.


    Unless you can show me how the time spent on such an important topic has somehow impinged on the German parliaments ability to handle more crucial internal German topics
     
    An obstacle to that is that they are a den of scoundrels, and I don't think highly of their abilities. The same could be said for the Irish parliament which had earlier approved similar measures.

    But philosophically a lot can be said for forms. How can these parliaments be good advocates for Ukrainians, when they are perpetually such poor advocates for their own people? I think that they should try to develop and keep a tradition of caring for their own people.

    They are both facing an immigration crisis, and an energy crisis. Ireland has a major housing crisis. Not a minor one. But a really major one. To some extent, my mother grew up in public housing - that is housing built to be affordable for families, under a nationalist system of looking out for your own people. That seems to be dead now, and, in all probably she would never have been born under the current system, which serves foreigners first, and is designed for single bugmen, nor any of her children or grandchildren.


    Conflating terms like Russian/Soviet and Kremlin/Moscow has been done for over half of a century, and to bring it up now seems a bit petty IMHO, especially when trying to downplay the quality of the video clip you’ve included.
     
    these people are supposed to be journalists. They are supposed to be professional and unbiased and to know that Russia and the USSR were two different countries, with different political systems, but they are intentionally conflating them, in order to try to make the Holodomor a tool for bashing Russia, for avoiding any compromise or negotiation, however sensible, for unnecessarily killing tens of thousands of Slavs, or perhaps even more, by prolonging the conflict.

    I wouldn't say that they are friends of Ukraine, though they are probably narcissistic enough to think so.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    How can these parliaments be good advocates for Ukrainians, when they are perpetually such poor advocates for their own people? I think that they should try to develop and keep a tradition of caring for their own people.

    You make a good cynical point here. All I can say here is that one wrong and one right doesn’t necessarily add up to one big wrong. 🙂

    They are supposed to be professional and unbiased and to know that Russia and the USSR were two different countries, with different political systems, but they are intentionally conflating them, in order to try to make the Holodomor a tool for bashing Russia,

    Well, the former Soviet Union had its capital in Moscow and the Russian language was the imperial ligua grancua for the whole country, often relegating the other national languages to obscurity and slated for eventual total elimination. In Ukraine’s case, except for the first 10 years when the Bolsheviks were trying to consolidate their rule within Ukraine, the Russian language was encouraged in all levels of the government, military, educational system and TV and radio communications. Also, as the official “successor state of the Soviet Union” it’s not really very difficult to understand why the terms “Soviet Union” and “Russian” are so often interchanged, one for the other.

  207. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    It’s a distortion though to view Holodomor purely or primarily through a national lens, the Soviet regime also waged war against peasants in Russia and against pastoralists in places like Kazakhstan.
     
    I could be wrong, however, I don't think that the destruction of the intelligentsia and the clergy of other countries within the Soviet Union, was nearly so drastic as within Ukraine. The similarities ended at the economic destruction of these countries, as the kremlin elites were very interested in collecting foodstuffs in order to sell these items to raise more money for more of their sordid plans. Otherwise, one could view these similar events in other countries as further examples of genocide. You couldn't possibly think that Lemkin made these accusations in the Ukrainian case of the Holodomor based on his inability to be objective and due to his myopic view seen through a "national lens", as he was himself a Polish Jew?

    but right now the former looks more likely again, given how Russia seems to be able to demolish so much of Ukrainian infrastructure.
     
    You're right about Russia's pernicious actions within Ukraine and the further destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure. Here are some current photos of the destruction of Bakhmut by Russian bombing, that's been fought over for several weeks now. Fortunately it's a small town, that has yet not been taken and indicates the slow motion of the Russian advance in the area:

    https://war.ukraine.ua/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/0f500000-0aff-0242-511c-08da496b55ac_w1597_n_st-1024x576.png
    Another school detroyed by Russian forces in Bakhmut. The price t pay for creating the new Russian World within Ukraine?

    https://amayei.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/2022/07/inbound6047821100701164335-780x470.jpg
    Bakkhmut, possibly another Russian "trophy" within Ukraine - looks a lot like Mariupol.,

    Replies: @German_reader

    I don’t think that the destruction of the intelligentsia and the clergy of other countries within the Soviet Union, was nearly so drastic as within Ukraine.

    I don’t know, the Soviets killed lots of people, including lots of ethnic Russians. I mean, there was something like the Butovo execution site near Moscow where they shot Russian clergymen, and many others, during the Great Terror. So it just feels forced to me to pretend that all this was merely about great Russian chauvinism, which it seems to me is implied in some of the current interpretations of Holodomor.

    that has yet not been taken and indicates the slow motion of the Russian advance in the area:

    I think the danger (and probably the aim) is that Ukraine becomes unlivable for many people during winter because of the destruction of infrastructure (no power, no heating, no water…).

  208. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
    I get it, you feel a mixture of schadenfreude and disappointment. Ok. And yes, Germany, and with it much of Europe, is screwed. Anything else?
    What's your view of Russia's future btw? China's junior partner and wannabe benefactor of negroes in places like Burkina Faso, and domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @songbird

    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?

    I just asked whether this joke is German. Not because I hold a pretty common outside Germany belief that Germans don’t have a sense of humor. I know enough Germans to be confident that they do (or, rather the fraction of the population lacking it is about the same in Germany as in other places). It just did not sound quite German to me, that’s all. But you did not answer my question.

    What’s your view of Russia’s future btw?

    I don’t think that’s settled. It certainly won’t be China’s junior partner: China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white, having ample natural resources, and having pretty qualified and ambitious workforce.

    domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?

    That’s a rather stupid myth spread by the propaganda of dying empire and its even faster deteriorating vassals. Minimal analysis of the facts would dispel it for a person thinking logically. One, in terms of brutality (use of truncheons and tear gas on demonstrators or firearms on citizens) Russian police is way behind the police of self-appointed “democratic” countries. Just remember how Yellow wests were treated in France, or how demonstrators demanding elementary sanity are treated right now all over Europe. Not to mention totally illegal repressions against Jan 6, 2021 demonstrators or police shooting people in the US. Not to mention Assange case, a veritable travesty of justice: a charge faked by Swedish police, that was dropped when it became impossible to deny that it was fake; nonetheless his long detention in solitary confinement in high-security prison in the UK, and now the decision to extradite a person guilty of nothing to the US.

    It terms of democracy, if we mean real one (government following the desires of the population) Russia is way ahead of Western “democracies”. E.g., Putin’s approval among Russian population is higher than what “democratic” leaders can even dream of (or dare to fake via election fraud). Very recent ban by Congress of a strike of the US railway workers (who, among other things, demanded at least seven days of paid sick leave per year, as right now they have zero) is a fresh example of “democracy”.

    Besides, unlike thoroughly brainwashed docile Europeans and Americans, Russians are not cowards. They rose up against traitorous thieves in 1993, just two years into Yeltsin rule, and the regime had to spill a lot of blood to put down that rebellion.

    So, I can’t predict Russia’s future, but I can predict the future of decrepit Europe.

    Anyway, is that joke really German?

    • Troll: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    It terms of democracy, if we mean real one (government following the desires of the population) Russia is way ahead of Western “democracies”.
     
    Has it ever occurred to you that both systems might be pretty bad?
    I'm hardly a supporter of what Western countries have turned into, but this constant cheerleading for Russia with all her obvious flaws eventually gets pretty old.

    Anyway, is that joke really German?
     
    Nah, obviously not (and you already knew that), so far the part about suffering in the cold and darkness is way too exaggerated, instantly marks it as a foreign creation. Of course the prospect is pretty bleak, no doubt about that, but the real suffering still lies ahead. If I learn of any genuine German jokes then, I'll tell you.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN


    China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white,
     
    That's obviously a shortcoming. Thanks for make your feelings clear.

    I'll make sure to quote you to the CCP trolls, as I said--

    Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese
     

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AnonfromTN

    , @Yahya
    @AnonfromTN

    About the only thing Russia has going for it is a less cucked people/culture than Germany and the West.

    Other than that, Germany is superior in almost every other aspect, including governance.

    Sad truth: a 50% non-white Germany is still a better place to live in than an 100% white Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  209. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
     
    I just asked whether this joke is German. Not because I hold a pretty common outside Germany belief that Germans don’t have a sense of humor. I know enough Germans to be confident that they do (or, rather the fraction of the population lacking it is about the same in Germany as in other places). It just did not sound quite German to me, that’s all. But you did not answer my question.

    What’s your view of Russia’s future btw?
     
    I don’t think that’s settled. It certainly won’t be China’s junior partner: China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white, having ample natural resources, and having pretty qualified and ambitious workforce.

    domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?
     
    That’s a rather stupid myth spread by the propaganda of dying empire and its even faster deteriorating vassals. Minimal analysis of the facts would dispel it for a person thinking logically. One, in terms of brutality (use of truncheons and tear gas on demonstrators or firearms on citizens) Russian police is way behind the police of self-appointed “democratic” countries. Just remember how Yellow wests were treated in France, or how demonstrators demanding elementary sanity are treated right now all over Europe. Not to mention totally illegal repressions against Jan 6, 2021 demonstrators or police shooting people in the US. Not to mention Assange case, a veritable travesty of justice: a charge faked by Swedish police, that was dropped when it became impossible to deny that it was fake; nonetheless his long detention in solitary confinement in high-security prison in the UK, and now the decision to extradite a person guilty of nothing to the US.

    It terms of democracy, if we mean real one (government following the desires of the population) Russia is way ahead of Western “democracies”. E.g., Putin’s approval among Russian population is higher than what “democratic” leaders can even dream of (or dare to fake via election fraud). Very recent ban by Congress of a strike of the US railway workers (who, among other things, demanded at least seven days of paid sick leave per year, as right now they have zero) is a fresh example of “democracy”.

    Besides, unlike thoroughly brainwashed docile Europeans and Americans, Russians are not cowards. They rose up against traitorous thieves in 1993, just two years into Yeltsin rule, and the regime had to spill a lot of blood to put down that rebellion.

    So, I can’t predict Russia’s future, but I can predict the future of decrepit Europe.

    Anyway, is that joke really German?

    Replies: @German_reader, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Yahya

    It terms of democracy, if we mean real one (government following the desires of the population) Russia is way ahead of Western “democracies”.

    Has it ever occurred to you that both systems might be pretty bad?
    I’m hardly a supporter of what Western countries have turned into, but this constant cheerleading for Russia with all her obvious flaws eventually gets pretty old.

    Anyway, is that joke really German?

    Nah, obviously not (and you already knew that), so far the part about suffering in the cold and darkness is way too exaggerated, instantly marks it as a foreign creation. Of course the prospect is pretty bleak, no doubt about that, but the real suffering still lies ahead. If I learn of any genuine German jokes then, I’ll tell you.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Has it ever occurred to you that both systems might be pretty bad?
     
    That’s actually my working hypothesis. However, being a natural (STEM in the American lingo) scientist, I compare two things that actually exist, rather than these things with what I’d like to exist. Quite naturally, neither is perfect. But the comparison is more obvious than what I am used to in my experiments.

    I don’t know too many Brits, Frenchmen, Italians, or Spaniards, but I am personally acquainted with many Germans. I am convinced that the people I know deserve a lot better than what is coming to them. Living in a “democracy” I understand that regular people have no voice whatsoever. Therefore, I just feel sorry for the Germans. Considering how idealistic you really are, you are included.
  210. Funny to hear James Cameron of all people calling testosterone “a toxin that you have to slowly work out of your system.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/12/02/james-cameron-testosterone-a-toxin-you-must-be-cleansed-of/

    Would be interesting to see his levels. IMO, you have got to be pretty high when you are working as a truck driver to make ends meet, while you are trying to break your way into the movie business, and you actually do it.

  211. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader


    pro-mass immigration narratives can be implanted that easily even in a country with Ireland’s history.
     
    Ireland's history has nothing to do with it, which is rather the point. When people buy global multi-cult capitalism they have no history anymore. It's truly a break in the continuity and history is utterly irrelevant.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Dmitry

    Historically Republic of Ireland was the most left-wing country of Western Europe, until around in the 1990s the leaders have changed to become a capitalist tax-haven. It is a kind of Faustian experience where their bankers have sold their left-wing soul to international capitalism. But their left-wing tradition continues like a parallel culture with the local population.

    So, now they have the divided reality, where the left-wing traditions continue with the local people, but the country’s economy is developed by compromise with the most cynical capitalism – a tax haven.

    The tax haven strategy was successful to attract a lot of the world’s best corporations to open offices in Republic of Ireland, which has become a mass fashion in the 21st century as they reduce their tax costs by vast billions of dollars.

    On the other hand, the education system was historically weak in Ireland, so there were not a good number of local workers that can be hired for many industries (e.g. engineers).

    Many multinational companies are trying to re-invest to improve the education system in Ireland. There is constant funding and scholarships to the local education. But most of the skilled workers will have to import from outside. Local youth are usually less nerds there as the culture, and the youth that smoke so much cannabis you can smell from on the other part of the road.

    So, it becomes a bit eccentric, where most of the skilled workers in the country’s most productive industries, are foreign immigrants. Maybe it’s not like the engineers in Qatar or UAE, but the local culture is a bit disconnected from the corporations.

    It’s still good for the local Irish people, as many young people with relatively low qualifications, are recruited for not cleaning jobs, by the international corporations. The same young people in Russia, will be working in fast food restaurants. And the even most good qualified young people in Russia, will have many times more difficulty to begin an acceptable career.

    You can see with Ireland, there is very easy opportunity relative to the qualifications of the youth – the 23 year old girl with undergraduate for postcolonial studies, and a masters in science in “digital media”, begin working as ui/ux designer for a corporation with multinational dimensions and will have opportunity to climb to different areas in their career. In Russia, the 23 year olds with computer science masters in science, is fighting all the highly qualified people from very competent workers, to begin for $800 a month, in a company where they won’t have many places to climb.

    • Thanks: Coconuts, Barbarossa
  212. @Coconuts
    @Barbarossa


    However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred “vibrant” communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.
     
    In Europe I am starting to doubt whether this will be possible. You can see in the UK that a lot of the bigger ethnic minority communities are becoming diasporas, closely connected to countries with much larger (and more youthful) populations. Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are still bringing in wives/husbands from their homelands each generation. The fact they are minorities promotes higher levels of group solidarity, they seem to be retaining or reviving traditional religion/customs and afaik, still maintain a higher birthrate, about double that of the white British.

    The recent trends in politics around BLM and historic colonialism suggest ethnic minorities are starting to assert themselves in the educational and cultural fields, maybe assisted by white progressives, but the latter may be just surrendering to new pressures and realities created by more youthful population groups.

    The things GR and Yevardian mentioned, the state trying to micro-manage things and failing due to advancing idiocracy and divided citizenry and the development of overtly communal politics don't seem like implausible possibilities for the future.

    I wonder now whether progressives and globalists had clear ideas of what they were doing when they started pursuing the mass-migration option in the 90s. Sometimes you see interviews with Tony Blair where it looks like he is aware he misjudged this one.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Barbarossa

    still maintain a higher birthrate, about double that of the white British.

    In the data until 2005, their trend had been converging, although it is not like the Hindu and Caribbean immigrants who were already converged in the 1987-1994.

    In 1987, the nationalities of Pakistan and Bangladesh immigrants of United Kingdom were around half the fertility of their home country.

    Pakistan immigrants in the United Kingdom were from the poorest region of Pakistan, in the new country, they had half of the fertility rate of Pakistan in 1987-1994.

    A funny scenario until 2005 is Bangladesh. Because now Bangladesh country is converging to the United Kingdom even with the vast difference of economic development. It would interesting to know if the Bangladesh immigrants have not converged.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    In the data until 2005, their trend had been converging, although it is not like the Hindu and Caribbean immigrants who were already converged in the 1987-1994.
     
    I had some data that suggested that the white British fertility was around 1.4 per couple, and the Pakistani and West Indian were roughly what is shown on the first graph. I think this was data from later than 2005 but I can't remember where I found it.

    It won't be surprising if the white British fertility rate continues falling following the wave of increased emphasis on feminism, LGBTQ+, climate crisis and so on in the last decade, these may be causes or reflections of declining natality.

    I get the sense that some of the ethnic minority communities are less impacted by these trends. For example, on religious belief there was some recent data from the last census:

    https://unherd.com/thepost/ethnic-minorities-are-keeping-britain-christian/


    Because now Bangladesh country is converging to the United Kingdom even with the vast difference of economic development. It would interesting to know if the Bangladesh immigrants have not converged.
     
    It would be interesting if there is data available. The decline in Bangladesh itself may have some environmental causes linked to conditions in the country which may or may not apply when the environment is different. I remember when I lived in an area with a Bangladeshi population there seemed to be plenty of children and they had come to form a majority in the local primary school, but that is anecdotal and was around 10 years ago.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  213. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    It terms of democracy, if we mean real one (government following the desires of the population) Russia is way ahead of Western “democracies”.
     
    Has it ever occurred to you that both systems might be pretty bad?
    I'm hardly a supporter of what Western countries have turned into, but this constant cheerleading for Russia with all her obvious flaws eventually gets pretty old.

    Anyway, is that joke really German?
     
    Nah, obviously not (and you already knew that), so far the part about suffering in the cold and darkness is way too exaggerated, instantly marks it as a foreign creation. Of course the prospect is pretty bleak, no doubt about that, but the real suffering still lies ahead. If I learn of any genuine German jokes then, I'll tell you.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Has it ever occurred to you that both systems might be pretty bad?

    That’s actually my working hypothesis. However, being a natural (STEM in the American lingo) scientist, I compare two things that actually exist, rather than these things with what I’d like to exist. Quite naturally, neither is perfect. But the comparison is more obvious than what I am used to in my experiments.

    I don’t know too many Brits, Frenchmen, Italians, or Spaniards, but I am personally acquainted with many Germans. I am convinced that the people I know deserve a lot better than what is coming to them. Living in a “democracy” I understand that regular people have no voice whatsoever. Therefore, I just feel sorry for the Germans. Considering how idealistic you really are, you are included.

  214. @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    Not sure I’m getting your point here, I thought Unz was generally pro-Latino? And Mr. Hack and AP at least seem to be rather fond of Mexicans (I have no personal opinion on the matter btw, will leave that to Americans).
     
    I mean the 'multicultural' faction was decisively defeated by the 'assimilationist' one during California's debate over bilingual education. There likely would have been calamitous national consequences if things there went differently.

    Maybe. Or maybe not. The Moors left some genetic traces in Spain, but a lot of the Moriscoes were eventually just expelled, because they still were seen as a potential fifth column even after several generations under Christian rule.
     
    Well I'm just speaking in hypotheticals in terms of Belgium, or any other distant place. If anyone emigrated from Pakistan to England in the past, they obviously couldn't maintain any communication with their homeland, let alone regularly jet-set back and forth to have their daughters private parts mutilated by 'surgeons' so they could honourably marry their cousins in the name of their sick and retarded religion and culture.
    Obviously Spain and Morocco were and are bordering countries, so that's different.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    The ruling class or millionaire Pakistani people are very “Western”, “nontraditional” and “modern”.

    Pakistani person I knew, who was like a stereotype of a secular hipster. He was directly from Pakistan, but you would not feel he was not from Los Angeles or Milan. So, I’m not sure the explanation, that “jet travel” would be the main cause of less assimilating immigrants.

    Pakistan’s immigrants in United Kingdom were mostly not just from the third world, but the most poor and rural peasants, many who had been displaced by modernization projects in Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mirpuris

    Probably these poor people have become more closed societies in the new country.

    I know it’s not a reliable historical source, but the Wikipedia article is showing interesting history in the immigration. The British corporation which had created a dam that displaces their villages in Pakistan, has funded the immigration of the Mirpur people.

    More than 280 villages were submerged by water when the Mangla Dam was built. The towns of Mirpur and Dadyal were also flooded. Around 110,000 people were displaced.[6] Coincidentally, Britain at that time needed cheap workers, mainly for textile factories as British workers had begun to become expensive due to rising wages. Up to 5,000 people from Mirpur (5% of the displaced)[7] left for Britain, and the displaced Mirpuris were given legal and financial assistance by the British contractor that built the dam. Many started working in factories, mostly in the so-called “Black Country” near Birmingham, and in Bradford and Leeds. In some villages of Mirpur, more than half of the people moved to the United Kingdom to settle in the industrial towns.

    The rural, impoverished district provided cheap, unskilled labour for Britain in the 1960s and the 1970s. Families tend to be close-knit and the guiding influence behind everything from marriage to business.[9] In 1960s, Mirpur was considered to be a rural and conservative area. Due to the Mirpuri diaspora, the region witnessed significant economic progress and has become one of the most prosperous areas of Azad Kashmir.[10]

  215. The Assange and Snowden poll on twitter must be the biggest honeypot for bots ever conceived.

  216. From this last thread.
    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=A123

    When the park was swarmed with non-locals, everyone who actually lived there took a financia

    Afula is a Jewish city in Northern Israel. Majority of the population in Northern Israel are Arab people. It’s a Jewish city surrounded by Arab cities.

    Life in Arab villages in Israel have low investment from the national level and also there is a lot of mafia and high crime, low level of police investment. As the article I posted wrote, because of the problems in the Arab villages, many of the middle class Arab families are starting to immigrate to Jewish cities like Afula. Most of Arabs in Northern Israel are relatively Westernized, most of the Arab women there do not wear hijab. They just want to shop in IKEA or H&M.* They will immigrate to the Jewish cities if they can have a better quality of life like any middle class aspiring people.

    At the same time, the Jewish cities in Northern Israel, are selling property to the Jewish residents, because they are the Jewish cities, not mixed cities. This is their raison d’être to attain new Jewish residents. Mixed cities in Israel are unpopular, because they are often like living in a volcano, when there is a tension in the Israel-Palestine war, For example, in 2021, there was the interethnic violence in the mixed cities Lod, Yafo and Ramle, because of the conflict with the Temple Mount/Al Aqsa in Jerusalem. There were many killings in 2021 in those cities.

    It’s expected Mayor of Afula is protesting to try to prevent Arab families move to his city, as becoming a mixed city would stop him receiving new Jewish residents. But in the same time, the middle class Arab families will still want to move there, because the Jewish cities is where the infrastructure and investment is at a developed country level in Northern Israel. The investment in Arab cities’s infrastructure and police is a bit more like the third world.

    It’s analogous for racial discrimination in cities like Detroit 1930s, of the white suburbs against black people. But, it’s more unsolvable, because it is also responding to the Arab-Israel conflict and religious war in the Middle East, with regular killing, related also to international events.

    Israel’s government has more money now so Netanyahu will try to invest more money to the Arab villages. It was his plan in the 2010s. https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-okays-nis-15b-upgrade-plan-for-arab-communities/

    So even the far-right politicians, know if the Arab cities had received more investment, there would be less driver to immigrate to Jewish cities in Northern Israel.

    Jaffa situation is more complicated. It has an unusually high religious mix dating back for decades.

    Northern Yafo/Jaffa is a gentrification is like Bedford–Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, which Spike Lee discusses often. It is an attractive real estate because its location is quite central. It also has historical building. Real estate companies can make money doing re-novation of old buildings.

    But there is no escape from racial/religious conflict if Jews immigrate to Yafo, because Yafo was an important center of the Arab-Israel conflict in Mandatory Palestine. The beginning of the Arab revolt in 1936, has beginning with the riot in Yafo in 1935.

    In the 1947 Partition Plan which is the original two-state solution, Yafo was part of the Arab state. In the 1948 Arab-Israel war, half of the Arab population in Yafo has become refugees.

    It is historically one of the most important area of violence in the Arab-Israel conflict and there is still a lot of tension there.

    There is also a small, often over looked, Christian population around the local Church of St. Peter.

    There has been a lot of religious infrastructure, because the port was historically the entrance for the Holy Land. When pilgrims arrive in the Holy Land in the port, they would be first there and cared by the religious institutions.

    Yafo was the door to the Holy land for pilgrims for thousands of years. But today, there is no port (except some small fishing boats). Religious pilgrims come by the airport. There is still potential for a kitsch tourist zone in Northern Yafo.

    [MORE]


    * There are the Arab shoppers in the mall in the Arab capital of Israel (Nazareth). It’s not like Bedouins in Southern Israel. Arabs in Northern Israel mostly don’t wear hijab and are not much different in lifestyle than average modernizing people in a second world Islamic country like Turkey.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry

    Thanks, interesting post. My friends grandparents were from Jaffa. It’s one of the most beautiful areas in the world with lots of developmental potential, so am not surprised if it will be gentrified. Hope they will do it in a tasteful manner and maintain it’s old world building style and charm.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @A123
    @Dmitry


    Life in Arab villages in Israel have low investment from the national level
     
    Israel runs municipal grants & investments largely based on tax and business activity to the national level (∆). Municipalities that generate limited money receive less funding. That is not "discriminatory" based on religion. It is recognition that reinvestment in cities that work generate economic growth. Most successful nations use variations of this policy.

    there is a lot of mafia and high crime, low level of police investment
     
    Arab villages could raise taxes on Arab residents to improve Arab law enforcement (e.g. police investment). They choose not to and opt for blame shifting. This has a strong parallel in America:

    • Certain groups have a propensity for crime.
    • Those groups primarily prey on others of their group.

    American cities that recognize these facts do acceptable jobs. Cities that are delusional -- Minneapolis, Portland, Chicago, San Francisco -- have crime that is out of control.

    because of the problems in the Arab villages, many of the middle class Arab families are starting to immigrate to Jewish cities like Afula.
     
    This has a rough parallel in "post-segregation" America. Stable black communities suddenly became less functional when their leadership class moved out. Some fully collapsed.

    Muslims voluntarily hollowing out Arab villages by leaving can only make the problems worse.

    Arab women there do not wear hijab. They just want to shop in IKEA or H&M.* They will immigrate to the Jewish cities if they can have a better quality of life like any middle class aspiring people.
     
    Certain stores are not present because of lower PRIVATE investment in Arab villages.

    Why? Could it be lower disposable income? Higher crime risk? Concerns about being burned out if there is a Minneapolis like civil disturbance?

    Businesses would open there if there was a profit motive to do so. If Arab villages improve, private investment will follow. And, the only group to that can drive that change are the Arab residents of Afula, not the national government.

    Israel’s government has more money now so Netanyahu will try to invest more money to the Arab villages. It was his plan in the 2010s. https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-okays-nis-15b-upgrade-plan-for-arab-communities/

    end of single-family home construction and a transition to high-rise construction, as exists throughout the country. At the same time, the plan will strengthen law enforcement in the minority sector with emphasis on illegal construction.”
     
    So even the far-right politicians, know if the Arab cities had received more investment, there would be less driver to immigrate to Jewish cities in Northern Israel.

     

    Centrist politician Netanyahu will make the attempt, which is good politics. Even if it does not work it will demonstrate his personal commitment to maintain Likud's Centrist credentials and separation from the Right.

    Illegal construction breeds crime, as payments are "off the books". Reducing that practice should produce some immediate gains.

    Dense pack, high-rise living is a much more problematic policy. If Arab residents do not take responsibility for Arab crime against Arabs, it could generate the "Cabrini–Green" effect.

    In the 1947 Partition Plan which is the original two-state solution, Yafo was part of the Arab state. In the 1948 Arab-Israel war, half of the Arab population in Yafo has become refugees.

    It is historically one of the most important area of violence in the Arab-Israel conflict and there is still a lot of tension there.
     

    Mixed cities in Israel are unpopular, because they are often like living in a volcano, when there is a tension
     
    Jaffa indeed has the mixed city problem, with a huge side order of gentrification misery. The populations are fully intermingled including 3,000+ Christians. There is no easy answer, it cannot even be informally compartmentalized to mono religious neighborhoods.
    ___

    Over optimism after WW II led to many profound mistakes:

    • The UN is almost certainly the biggest post WW II boondoggle. It is so flawed, it has created & extended wars. Alas, it is much like the EU. Almost everyone realizes that it should be replaced, but there is no consensus on what the new structure should be. For example, India should have a permanent UNSC seat, but the PRC would never allow that.

    • The Balfour Declaration of 1917 for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine followed by the 1922 Palestinian Mandate was a sound starting point. Abrogating those concepts in 1947 was a fiasco. Instead of using the obvious Jordan River Line, the absurd border guaranteed conflict. Experts warned about this at the time. Unfortunately, that sound advice was ignored.

    • France failed to create separate nations for Maronite Lebanon and Muslim Lebanon. Demographers warned this was a mistake, and they were ignored. Partitioning now is much harder than it could have been. However, multicultural Lebanon is now so failed they cannot even select a President. Is there any viable solution other than division?

    • Why is there no Kurdistan? This was an easy problem to fix in the 1940's, but it was ignored.

    There is a pattern where obvious issues were simply skipped post WW II. The consequence is a trail of foreseeable flare ups.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) Due to deals such as Oslo, different investment concepts are legally required in Muslim Occupied Judea & Samaria. These cases are not relevant to the Afula & Jaffa discussion.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  217. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
     
    I just asked whether this joke is German. Not because I hold a pretty common outside Germany belief that Germans don’t have a sense of humor. I know enough Germans to be confident that they do (or, rather the fraction of the population lacking it is about the same in Germany as in other places). It just did not sound quite German to me, that’s all. But you did not answer my question.

    What’s your view of Russia’s future btw?
     
    I don’t think that’s settled. It certainly won’t be China’s junior partner: China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white, having ample natural resources, and having pretty qualified and ambitious workforce.

    domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?
     
    That’s a rather stupid myth spread by the propaganda of dying empire and its even faster deteriorating vassals. Minimal analysis of the facts would dispel it for a person thinking logically. One, in terms of brutality (use of truncheons and tear gas on demonstrators or firearms on citizens) Russian police is way behind the police of self-appointed “democratic” countries. Just remember how Yellow wests were treated in France, or how demonstrators demanding elementary sanity are treated right now all over Europe. Not to mention totally illegal repressions against Jan 6, 2021 demonstrators or police shooting people in the US. Not to mention Assange case, a veritable travesty of justice: a charge faked by Swedish police, that was dropped when it became impossible to deny that it was fake; nonetheless his long detention in solitary confinement in high-security prison in the UK, and now the decision to extradite a person guilty of nothing to the US.

    It terms of democracy, if we mean real one (government following the desires of the population) Russia is way ahead of Western “democracies”. E.g., Putin’s approval among Russian population is higher than what “democratic” leaders can even dream of (or dare to fake via election fraud). Very recent ban by Congress of a strike of the US railway workers (who, among other things, demanded at least seven days of paid sick leave per year, as right now they have zero) is a fresh example of “democracy”.

    Besides, unlike thoroughly brainwashed docile Europeans and Americans, Russians are not cowards. They rose up against traitorous thieves in 1993, just two years into Yeltsin rule, and the regime had to spill a lot of blood to put down that rebellion.

    So, I can’t predict Russia’s future, but I can predict the future of decrepit Europe.

    Anyway, is that joke really German?

    Replies: @German_reader, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Yahya

    China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white,

    That’s obviously a shortcoming. Thanks for make your feelings clear.

    I’ll make sure to quote you to the CCP trolls, as I said–

    Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1353293444005945349

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russians-are-black/

    We found our house nigger.

    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/the-kremlin-at-a-crossroads-what

    Anyway, Russia's main export isn't oil/gas as any visitor to Goa or Dubai will tell you.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white,
     

    Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese
     
    You are welcome to keep posting anything that gets you remunerated. After all, you do it for a living. Most people can’t afford to be too choosy in this.

    It’s not your fault that the reality contradicts the narrative of the side that pays you. In the opinion of the Chinese who live in the Far East and earn their keep by honest work, rather than by Internet posting, Russians are the only whites who treat them as equals. But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others. That’s counterintuitive, considering that locals are not white. I wouldn’t believe it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes in more than one country. So, today being white is a geopolitical asset. Naturally, Russians are using every asset they have. As I saw one of the South Americans comment, “we know that Russia is fighting for all of us”.

    Replies: @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  218. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN


    China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white,
     
    That's obviously a shortcoming. Thanks for make your feelings clear.

    I'll make sure to quote you to the CCP trolls, as I said--

    Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese
     

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AnonfromTN

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russians-are-black/

    We found our house nigger.

    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/the-kremlin-at-a-crossroads-what

    Anyway, Russia’s main export isn’t oil/gas as any visitor to Goa or Dubai will tell you.

  219. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
     
    I just asked whether this joke is German. Not because I hold a pretty common outside Germany belief that Germans don’t have a sense of humor. I know enough Germans to be confident that they do (or, rather the fraction of the population lacking it is about the same in Germany as in other places). It just did not sound quite German to me, that’s all. But you did not answer my question.

    What’s your view of Russia’s future btw?
     
    I don’t think that’s settled. It certainly won’t be China’s junior partner: China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white, having ample natural resources, and having pretty qualified and ambitious workforce.

    domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?
     
    That’s a rather stupid myth spread by the propaganda of dying empire and its even faster deteriorating vassals. Minimal analysis of the facts would dispel it for a person thinking logically. One, in terms of brutality (use of truncheons and tear gas on demonstrators or firearms on citizens) Russian police is way behind the police of self-appointed “democratic” countries. Just remember how Yellow wests were treated in France, or how demonstrators demanding elementary sanity are treated right now all over Europe. Not to mention totally illegal repressions against Jan 6, 2021 demonstrators or police shooting people in the US. Not to mention Assange case, a veritable travesty of justice: a charge faked by Swedish police, that was dropped when it became impossible to deny that it was fake; nonetheless his long detention in solitary confinement in high-security prison in the UK, and now the decision to extradite a person guilty of nothing to the US.

    It terms of democracy, if we mean real one (government following the desires of the population) Russia is way ahead of Western “democracies”. E.g., Putin’s approval among Russian population is higher than what “democratic” leaders can even dream of (or dare to fake via election fraud). Very recent ban by Congress of a strike of the US railway workers (who, among other things, demanded at least seven days of paid sick leave per year, as right now they have zero) is a fresh example of “democracy”.

    Besides, unlike thoroughly brainwashed docile Europeans and Americans, Russians are not cowards. They rose up against traitorous thieves in 1993, just two years into Yeltsin rule, and the regime had to spill a lot of blood to put down that rebellion.

    So, I can’t predict Russia’s future, but I can predict the future of decrepit Europe.

    Anyway, is that joke really German?

    Replies: @German_reader, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Yahya

    About the only thing Russia has going for it is a less cucked people/culture than Germany and the West.

    Other than that, Germany is superior in almost every other aspect, including governance.

    Sad truth: a 50% non-white Germany is still a better place to live in than an 100% white Russia.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya

    Russia super supporter Professor Janissar has somehow managed to live in the US for more than 20 years, and not in Russia. How does he manage to suffer so??.......

    https://www.tbsnews.net/sites/default/files/styles/big_3/public/images/2022/04/07/russia_us_hasina_cartoon_2_final.png

    Take that college pension and run - Mother Russia awaits its true patriots, Prof Janissar. Don't put off returning any longer. Breathe free again!

  220. @Dmitry
    @A123

    From this last thread.
    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=A123


    When the park was swarmed with non-locals, everyone who actually lived there took a financia
     
    Afula is a Jewish city in Northern Israel. Majority of the population in Northern Israel are Arab people. It's a Jewish city surrounded by Arab cities.

    Life in Arab villages in Israel have low investment from the national level and also there is a lot of mafia and high crime, low level of police investment. As the article I posted wrote, because of the problems in the Arab villages, many of the middle class Arab families are starting to immigrate to Jewish cities like Afula. Most of Arabs in Northern Israel are relatively Westernized, most of the Arab women there do not wear hijab. They just want to shop in IKEA or H&M.* They will immigrate to the Jewish cities if they can have a better quality of life like any middle class aspiring people.

    At the same time, the Jewish cities in Northern Israel, are selling property to the Jewish residents, because they are the Jewish cities, not mixed cities. This is their raison d'être to attain new Jewish residents. Mixed cities in Israel are unpopular, because they are often like living in a volcano, when there is a tension in the Israel-Palestine war, For example, in 2021, there was the interethnic violence in the mixed cities Lod, Yafo and Ramle, because of the conflict with the Temple Mount/Al Aqsa in Jerusalem. There were many killings in 2021 in those cities.

    It's expected Mayor of Afula is protesting to try to prevent Arab families move to his city, as becoming a mixed city would stop him receiving new Jewish residents. But in the same time, the middle class Arab families will still want to move there, because the Jewish cities is where the infrastructure and investment is at a developed country level in Northern Israel. The investment in Arab cities's infrastructure and police is a bit more like the third world.

    It's analogous for racial discrimination in cities like Detroit 1930s, of the white suburbs against black people. But, it's more unsolvable, because it is also responding to the Arab-Israel conflict and religious war in the Middle East, with regular killing, related also to international events.

    Israel's government has more money now so Netanyahu will try to invest more money to the Arab villages. It was his plan in the 2010s. https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-okays-nis-15b-upgrade-plan-for-arab-communities/

    So even the far-right politicians, know if the Arab cities had received more investment, there would be less driver to immigrate to Jewish cities in Northern Israel.


    Jaffa situation is more complicated. It has an unusually high religious mix dating back for decades.
     
    Northern Yafo/Jaffa is a gentrification is like Bedford–Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, which Spike Lee discusses often. It is an attractive real estate because its location is quite central. It also has historical building. Real estate companies can make money doing re-novation of old buildings.

    But there is no escape from racial/religious conflict if Jews immigrate to Yafo, because Yafo was an important center of the Arab-Israel conflict in Mandatory Palestine. The beginning of the Arab revolt in 1936, has beginning with the riot in Yafo in 1935.

    In the 1947 Partition Plan which is the original two-state solution, Yafo was part of the Arab state. In the 1948 Arab-Israel war, half of the Arab population in Yafo has become refugees.

    It is historically one of the most important area of violence in the Arab-Israel conflict and there is still a lot of tension there.


    There is also a small, often over looked, Christian population around the local Church of St. Peter.

     

    There has been a lot of religious infrastructure, because the port was historically the entrance for the Holy Land. When pilgrims arrive in the Holy Land in the port, they would be first there and cared by the religious institutions.

    Yafo was the door to the Holy land for pilgrims for thousands of years. But today, there is no port (except some small fishing boats). Religious pilgrims come by the airport. There is still potential for a kitsch tourist zone in Northern Yafo.

    -
    * There are the Arab shoppers in the mall in the Arab capital of Israel (Nazareth). It's not like Bedouins in Southern Israel. Arabs in Northern Israel mostly don't wear hijab and are not much different in lifestyle than average modernizing people in a second world Islamic country like Turkey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF36tpyaU0Q

    Replies: @Yahya, @A123

    Thanks, interesting post. My friends grandparents were from Jaffa. It’s one of the most beautiful areas in the world with lots of developmental potential, so am not surprised if it will be gentrified. Hope they will do it in a tasteful manner and maintain it’s old world building style and charm.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    lots of developmental potential, so am not surprised if it will be gentrified. Hope they will do it in a tasteful manner

     

    Ancient and Ottoman building in the old port of Jaffa/Yafo is a tourist zone. So, the more ancient buildings don't change which is good, but the shops are selling kitsch things to tourists which less attractive.

    The main shopping street at the North of Yafo with a 19th century Ottoman tower has become a 4-lane highway and with unpleasant cars and traffic. That is how you can damage the historical atmosphere. You don't need ethnic cleansing, just cars. They need to pedestrianize all the area, but there is probably no plan for this. So, I don't think it is such a successful area, even aside from its tensions of the Arab-Israel conflict.

    The old working class suburb that was built in the late 19th century above Yafo (Neve Tzedek) has become gentrified and became a leisure area with cafes.

    Gentrification there, seems like a successful example.
    1. Mostly cars do not drive there (less noise/pollution).
    2. Middle class people moved there but didn't clean it too much. They were happy to allow it to continue the appearance of the shabby 19th century streets. At least for now they are not driving SUVs in the small streets.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0onKKDdwc

  221. @silviosilver
    @Sher Singh


    Hinterland America
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phvpFNUx5Hg&t=44s

    Is that any worse than shitlibs keeping a straight face as they pretend a tranny is a real woman? At least shitlibs appeal to science to justify their values (they fail, but at least it's science they appeal to). Tongue speakers and faith healers, on the other hand...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh

    • LOL: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Have wondered what the exact implications are of the 0.5 SD difference in general knowledge between the sexes are, even without considering any of the other differences. Like what does it mean for female jurors or voters?

    I remember playing some trivia game in high school, boys vs. girls, and the girls got obliterated.

    , @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    That sounds like some of Anglin's style idiocy. That stuff is as just about as cracked as any stupidification from the Woke left. It's really from the same line of reasoning in that it rejects any natural form of relations between the sexes.

    Liberalism is really demeaning to women and men both because it destroys their unique and worthy attributes and roles. I make no bones about telling my wife that what she does all day with the kids is actually more important than what I do with my day working. My income makes that possible and there are plenty of other contributions I make too in the family, but her influence is going to have the most direct persistent influence.

    My understanding is that cow slaughter is blasphemy to Sikhs in part because of the mother role that the cow plays as sustainer and life giver to the wider community. The cow embodies an aspect of the Divine Feminine, just as the Sikh male and his weapons embodies important aspects of the Divine Masculine. In a similar way the wife and mother properly embodies the Divine attributes, also as sustainer and life giver to the community. Liberalism itself is basically blasphemy to human relations in that it fundamentally destroys the modelling of Divine attributes in male and female.

    Any religious interpretation which is fundamentally misogynistic or anti-woman is misguided since it eliminates proper balance and interplay between the Divine attributes.

    Would it be possible for a Sikh to venerate the cow while scorning their wife or mother? It wouldn't make much sense to me. And so I don't see it "based" at all to denigrate women as a whole. It's however important to criticize the perversions of womanhood which exist without forgetting that this is not what it should be. For what it's worth, my wife is actually more vocally intolerant of most of her fellow American women than I am. For her you could say that it's a bit more personal.

    Feel free to dispute any of the above, but it seems to follow from my own religious understanding and of the rudiments I understand of Sikhism.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  222. If we move towards the TFR of our entertainment, how many people the world over have K-pop and K-dramas winked out of existence?

  223. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    still maintain a higher birthrate, about double that of the white British.
     
    In the data until 2005, their trend had been converging, although it is not like the Hindu and Caribbean immigrants who were already converged in the 1987-1994.

    https://i.imgur.com/vYaNQtz.jpg

    In 1987, the nationalities of Pakistan and Bangladesh immigrants of United Kingdom were around half the fertility of their home country.

    Pakistan immigrants in the United Kingdom were from the poorest region of Pakistan, in the new country, they had half of the fertility rate of Pakistan in 1987-1994.

    A funny scenario until 2005 is Bangladesh. Because now Bangladesh country is converging to the United Kingdom even with the vast difference of economic development. It would interesting to know if the Bangladesh immigrants have not converged.

    https://i.imgur.com/eR4ZKCX.jpg

    Replies: @Coconuts

    In the data until 2005, their trend had been converging, although it is not like the Hindu and Caribbean immigrants who were already converged in the 1987-1994.

    I had some data that suggested that the white British fertility was around 1.4 per couple, and the Pakistani and West Indian were roughly what is shown on the first graph. I think this was data from later than 2005 but I can’t remember where I found it.

    It won’t be surprising if the white British fertility rate continues falling following the wave of increased emphasis on feminism, LGBTQ+, climate crisis and so on in the last decade, these may be causes or reflections of declining natality.

    I get the sense that some of the ethnic minority communities are less impacted by these trends. For example, on religious belief there was some recent data from the last census:

    https://unherd.com/thepost/ethnic-minorities-are-keeping-britain-christian/

    Because now Bangladesh country is converging to the United Kingdom even with the vast difference of economic development. It would interesting to know if the Bangladesh immigrants have not converged.

    It would be interesting if there is data available. The decline in Bangladesh itself may have some environmental causes linked to conditions in the country which may or may not apply when the environment is different. I remember when I lived in an area with a Bangladeshi population there seemed to be plenty of children and they had come to form a majority in the local primary school, but that is anecdotal and was around 10 years ago.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Coconuts

    thnic minority communities are less impacted by these trends. For example, on religious belief there was some recent data from the last census:

    https://unherd.com/thepost/ethnic-minorities-are-keeping-britain-christian/

     

    You can see the main young Catholics in United Kingdom are immigrants like Poles, Indians, Mexicans etc.

    But then Catholic Poland has a lower fertility rate than United Kingdom, so the religion is often not relevant (normal religions like Catholicism are not high-demand cults that influence behavior like Amish, Chasidism or Mormonism).

    Religion is probably matching with assimilation level for immigrants. So, it could be more indicator of the fertility culture assimilation of the immigrants from third world countries which didn't have demographic transition. For example, East African immigrants will have much higher fertility rates than people in developed countries. Their religion can be indicator of not assimilating to the culture of the new country. But immigrants from areas which have demographic transition like Poland, would likely not have much difference, as the culture in the home country is the same as the new country (or more low fertility culture than North Western Europe).


    fertility rate continues falling following the wave of increased emphasis on feminism, LGBTQ
     
    It could track the level of the immigrants assimilation to the new country. But I doubt this would be a causal influence to effect fertility in the new country, because it doesn't match when you look at the fertility rates in different countries in the world.

    Lowest fertility countries in Northern Europe are Ukraine, Belarus and slavic population (excluding the minorities) of Russia. These are very feminist countries, but are not promoting LGBT symbols. But slavic fertility rate in postsoviet countries has been lower than the West for many decades. Scandinavian liberals have higher fertility rates than slavic postsoviet population, even with much higher economic development.

    On the other hand, there is theocracy in Iran, which doesn't promote LGBT or feminism. But Iran's fertility rate is going below replacement, like West, but with also lower economic level.

    Israel adds LGBT flags everywhere and described by some people as a "feminist dictatorship", but the fertility rate for the secular population is higher than Saudi Arabia, which uses Sharia law.

    Saudi Arabia, with feudal political system, and judicial system where cutting of peoples' heads, now has lower fertility rate than Argentina. It's always not easy to explain the differences between countries, but it's not very simple when the world's most theocratic countries have lower fertility than Argentina.

    Replies: @songbird, @Coconuts

  224. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
    I get it, you feel a mixture of schadenfreude and disappointment. Ok. And yes, Germany, and with it much of Europe, is screwed. Anything else?
    What's your view of Russia's future btw? China's junior partner and wannabe benefactor of negroes in places like Burkina Faso, and domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @songbird

    China’s junior partner

    It doesn’t work that way:

    1. PRC has good relations with Ukraine, who in turn is probably not going to go against China on the Taiwan Question.

    2. Few PRC elites want to move to Russia, and no Russians want to move to China. Recently top Chicom propagandist Zhao Lijian was outted as having been living in Germany. And Jack Ma has moved to Japan,

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/29/alibaba-founder-jack-ma-hiding-out-in-tokyo-reports-say

    3. Russia’s tradition in the Far East is to instigate enmity between China and Japan. Herr Professor from TN said in the last thread the equivalent of– I have English colleagues, and most of them hate Germans, and the feeling is mutual.

    And here we are again:

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133

    https://news.usni.org/2022/11/30/japanese-korean-fighters-scrambled-in-response-to-joint-russia-china-bomber-patrol

    But he’s right about Russia selling more crucial commodities. PRC exports alot of trinkets which people can figure to do without.

    Wagenknecht did an interview together with Alice Weidel and looked like they had alot of chemistry together. Mega geil.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Ukraine, who in turn is probably not going to go against China on the Taiwan Question.
     
    There is a big difference between Ukraine and current regime in Kiev. This regime has no agency. Its “opinions” are dictated to it by the puppeteers. The cancellation of the sale of Motor Sich to Chinese investors on puppeteers’ command is a good illustration. After getting rid of current puppet regime, Ukraine will have good relations with China, among many other countries.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  225. Leaders of Moscow controlled Orthodox Church in Chernivtsi have Russian passports On Nov 25th, the Security Service of Ukraine conducted searches on the territory of the Chernivtsi and Bukovyna Diocese of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate and found documents confirming that its leaders have Russian citizenship. The lawfully conducted searches also revealed millions in cash and subversive pro-Russian and imperialist materials. Since Ukraine’s independence, the Moscow controlled church has been insisting that it is independent and most recently claims to have stopped commemorating Kirill – Moscow’s head cleric. Both the results of the searches and Dmitry Peskov’s comments suggest otherwise – the Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, announced that “searches at the Kyiv-Pecherska Lavra (the Monastery of the Caves) show that Ukraine is at war with the Russian Orthodox Church.” A historical fact: the Kyiv-Pecherska Lavra (the Monastery of the Caves) along with the Mohyla Academy were created under the Ukrainian Cossack Hetman state, long before Moscow had any jurisdiction over Ukraine or Russia existed. While independent Ukraine has tolerated the Moscow controlled Church organization on it’s territories under religious freedom laws, it is noteworthy that there is not a single Ukrainian Church – Orthodox, Greek Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Evangelical or other denomination – worshiping on the territory of the Russian Federation.

    Russia spent a quarter of its GDP to kill Ukrainians
    During nine months of its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia has spent $82 billion on war, which is a quarter of its annual budget, according to Forbes. They calculated that Russia used 10,000 to 50,000 shells per day in the war, and the average price of a Soviet-caliber shell is about $1,000. It brings Russia’s spending to more than $5.5 billion on artillery supplies alone.

  226. @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040104857660555284/1048894931890098206/image.png

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Have wondered what the exact implications are of the 0.5 SD difference in general knowledge between the sexes are, even without considering any of the other differences. Like what does it mean for female jurors or voters?

    I remember playing some trivia game in high school, boys vs. girls, and the girls got obliterated.

  227. @Yahya
    @AnonfromTN

    About the only thing Russia has going for it is a less cucked people/culture than Germany and the West.

    Other than that, Germany is superior in almost every other aspect, including governance.

    Sad truth: a 50% non-white Germany is still a better place to live in than an 100% white Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Russia super supporter Professor Janissar has somehow managed to live in the US for more than 20 years, and not in Russia. How does he manage to suffer so??…….

    Take that college pension and run – Mother Russia awaits its true patriots, Prof Janissar. Don’t put off returning any longer. Breathe free again!

  228. Under Bukele, El Salvador seems to be showing more state capacity than I thought it was capable of:

    [MORE]

    Perhaps, liberalist ideas diminish the state capacity of a lot of the Third World.

  229. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Have Western leaders thought through this latest move to cap the price of Russian oil and enforce it worldwide through Western insurance companies or is this going to hit us all again like a ton of bricks at the pump and the grocery stores?
     
    The latter is about to happen. Here is the view from The Economist:
    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/11/30/the-wests-proposed-price-cap-on-russian-oil-is-no-magic-weapon

    Nothing new, though. The EU introduced umpteenth packet of sanctions against Russia. Net result: Russian cities shine at night like a Christmas tree in a rich house, whereas Europe in in darkness. Europe is preparing for worse times. Switzerland is even planning to ban EVs and limit the temperature at which you can launder your clothes to save electricity. As Russian saying puts it, that’s how you teach the fools.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

    Regardless of how much one thinks that we should support Ukraine, everybody should demand basic competence from our economic authorities, like making sure that the sanctions they impose don’t harm us more than the intended recipient. This is exactly what happened with the initial sanctions centered around gas and I’m wondering if any lesson was learned.

    They have the public on their side. The MSM has made sure of that and, frankly, so has Russia by starting this brutal war of choice. But you don’t mess with the price of oil. It affects absolutely everything. Either they have been planning things very carefully during these past months of deliberations about the oil price cap or we’re headed towards another disaster that will disproportionately harm the more vulnerable people without having any effect on the war.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Either they have been planning things very carefully during these past months of deliberations about the oil price cap or we’re headed towards another disaster that will disproportionately harm the more vulnerable people without having any effect on the war.
     
    Follow oils and natural gas prices for the next month or two and you get clear answer to your question.

    BTW, footage of protests against supporting Ukraine (naturally, on politically incorrect news channels) shows total lack of street illumination not only in Leipzig, but also in Madrid and Rome.
  230. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN


    China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white,
     
    That's obviously a shortcoming. Thanks for make your feelings clear.

    I'll make sure to quote you to the CCP trolls, as I said--

    Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese
     

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AnonfromTN

    China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white,

    Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese

    You are welcome to keep posting anything that gets you remunerated. After all, you do it for a living. Most people can’t afford to be too choosy in this.

    It’s not your fault that the reality contradicts the narrative of the side that pays you. In the opinion of the Chinese who live in the Far East and earn their keep by honest work, rather than by Internet posting, Russians are the only whites who treat them as equals. But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others. That’s counterintuitive, considering that locals are not white. I wouldn’t believe it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes in more than one country. So, today being white is a geopolitical asset. Naturally, Russians are using every asset they have. As I saw one of the South Americans comment, “we know that Russia is fighting for all of us”.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others.
     
    Would say that it is a geopolitical liability because it means that one's national and cultural power base is significantly eroded and under attack.

    I do agree that there is a certain legacy-based status accorded to Euros in certain areas. China, SK, perhaps, Japan and some other places. (Though, it is a question how long it can continue, as people learn about the transformation of places like Paris)

    But even if it persists and has a value for starting business relationships, then arguably it is hackable by hiring "white monkeys" to facilitate these relationships.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN

    For a scientist you do like to argue with anecdotes rather than data.

    Did they not teach you Popper falsification and inductive reasoning in grad school? I can claim that I heard from Svetlana and Yulia this and that.


    Russians are the only whites who treat them as equals.
     
    Russians in the land formerly of Qing China treating the Chinese as equals. Is that what you are claiming?

    But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others.
     
    Good for you.

    Bashibuzuk and I had a nice academic exchange about the cliché Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare. Obviously you weren't paying attention,


    The Anglosphere gets hanged up on a sharp division between East and West Eurasians, but Eurasian nomads should have always been a mix of Europoid and Mongloid features, like Putin and Shoigu.

     


    Yes I agree, they have intermixed since times immemorial. I mean, already by the times of the Botaï culture, there was a mixed Western Eurasian / Eastern Eurasian population. There is a haplogroup cline going West to East in Eurasia but it is thousand years old, well before the advent of the historically recorded populations.

     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5638069

    As I saw one of the South Americans comment, “we know that Russia is fighting for all of us”.
     
    All of "us" as in what? Slav nation? White Christendom?

    Who's Russia fighting for in planning to attack Japan?

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh

  231. Iraqi Information Minister reviews

    Mount Analogue
    Rene Daumal
    tr. Roger Shattuck
    pub Exact Change, 2019, orig. 1952 in French, translated in English in 1959
    157 pp

    This book is unfinished due to the author’s death. What is here is spectacularly not complete but there are many copies of it, it is much read, and the commentary on it is all over the place. I found it an inspiration to my own inclinations to mentally jump all over the place. But I will contain myself here to what you may easily verify for yourself. It would not take you long. If you don’t dally you can read the entire (part) book in less than ninety minutes.

    It is what I would call a fantasy, albeit wikipedia calls it pataphysics and Daumal’s cohort were the Surrealists in Paris between WWI and WWII. Daumal died at 36 y.o. in 1944. (Like a good early twentieth century artist genius he died from tuberculosis.)

    The setting for the story is an ancient one. Other names: Atlantis, Thule, Shangri La, Shambala, King of the World, Prester John. Mount Analogue is a storied mountain on an island in the middle of the south Pacific Ocean, halfway from New Zealand to Chile. It is taller than Everest and it is not on any maps because you have to sneak in there. It can only be viewed from outside its hiding place at sunrise or at sunset from the exact east or the exact west due to the (hypothetical and not commonly known) optical properties of the near ocean atmosphere. To locate it requires some (hypothetical and not commonly known) straightforward (although Daumal’s presentation is erroneous) examination of continental land mass distribution.

    You draw a line of latitude through the biggest stretch of dry land. Daumal makes this 52 degrees north. You draw a line of longitude through the biggest stretch of dry land. Daumal makes this 20 degrees east. This is the hypothetical maximum of mapped earth lopsidedness. Mount Analogue is located at the antipode to this point for balance.

    **Reality digression. George Airy and isostasy were 19th C and presumably Daumal knows how silly this is. Nevertheless I am not so sure because (A.) he writes that the point of maximum lopsidedness is inside a quadrilateral defined by Warsaw, Minsk, Cracow, and Kiev and (B.) (20,50) is not even close to being contained inside this quadrilateral. Perhaps that error is an artifact of this being a first draft and he would have cleaned up such details in the re-writes. I will stop nitpicking now and press on.

    The protagonist of Mount Analogue and a few companions meet an eccentric mad scientist who has figured all of this out and leads them on an expedition to find and climb Mount Analogue. They find it and commence to climbing it. They make it to first climbing camp when the real life Daumal dies and leaves the book unfinished. In the process of meeting the eccentric mad scientist and traveling with him our hero is exposed to a few profound truths about the Real Universe and Spirituality. They are small asides in the 150 pages but they are deep. Or at least the cult of readers of this book and writers of the meaning contained find them deep.

    He explains the fear of death, the power of thought, and the meaning of life. He has a great short American Indian myth which I had seen long ago and you also may perhaps already have seen. The Hollow Men and the Bitter Rose.

    For example here: https://nonrelevant.tumblr.com/post/79553977911/amp

    Mount Analogue is populated by the descendants of earlier explorers at the base and ruled by a very small subset of them (guides) who live on the upper slopes. The base residents are simple folk. The guides are fanatical environmentalists and eugenicists.

    In the appendix to the edition I read there is a short poem by Daumal from his hoard of unpublished papers salvaged after he died.

    This is how I sum up for myself what I wish to
    convey to those who work here with me:
    I am dead because I lack desire;
    I lack desire because I think I possess;
    I think I possess because I do not try to give.

    In trying to give you see that you have nothing;
    Seeing you have nothing you try to give of yourself;
    Trying to give of yourself you see that you are nothing;
    Seeing you are nothing you desire to become;
    In desiring to become you begin to live.

  232. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    How many more variations of that joke do you want to tell me?
    I get it, you feel a mixture of schadenfreude and disappointment. Ok. And yes, Germany, and with it much of Europe, is screwed. Anything else?
    What's your view of Russia's future btw? China's junior partner and wannabe benefactor of negroes in places like Burkina Faso, and domestically continued rule by increasingly geriatric security service elites?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @songbird

    What’s your view of Russia’s future btw? China’s junior partner

    Don’t think it is especially likely, but I would say there is at least a possibility that Russia becomes dominant again.

    That would be Russia righting its demographic decline, while China fails to, or is late to the party. Maybe, some core of Euro professionals being drawn to Russia, as the West reaches a more significant threshold of decline. It may also be possible, that China makes a precipitous move on Taiwan, which weakens it significantly.

    Of course, there are no signs of this happening now, and people like Zeihan are already dancing on Russia’s grave, saying demographic trends mean it will cease to exist in 50 years time. Seems a bit premature to me, especially as he takes such a blank-slatist view of age cohorts in the West.

  233. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader


    China’s junior partner
     
    It doesn't work that way:

    1. PRC has good relations with Ukraine, who in turn is probably not going to go against China on the Taiwan Question.

    2. Few PRC elites want to move to Russia, and no Russians want to move to China. Recently top Chicom propagandist Zhao Lijian was outted as having been living in Germany. And Jack Ma has moved to Japan,

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/29/alibaba-founder-jack-ma-hiding-out-in-tokyo-reports-say

    3. Russia's tradition in the Far East is to instigate enmity between China and Japan. Herr Professor from TN said in the last thread the equivalent of-- I have English colleagues, and most of them hate Germans, and the feeling is mutual.

    And here we are again:

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133

    https://news.usni.org/2022/11/30/japanese-korean-fighters-scrambled-in-response-to-joint-russia-china-bomber-patrol

    But he's right about Russia selling more crucial commodities. PRC exports alot of trinkets which people can figure to do without.

    Wagenknecht did an interview together with Alice Weidel and looked like they had alot of chemistry together. Mega geil.

    https://youtu.be/1U_DamvhkWs?t=3601

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Ukraine, who in turn is probably not going to go against China on the Taiwan Question.

    There is a big difference between Ukraine and current regime in Kiev. This regime has no agency. Its “opinions” are dictated to it by the puppeteers. The cancellation of the sale of Motor Sich to Chinese investors on puppeteers’ command is a good illustration. After getting rid of current puppet regime, Ukraine will have good relations with China, among many other countries.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN

    Puppeteers as in the West. The basis for PRC-RusFed quasi-alliance being anti-West.

    Yet you are also arguing for "white" superiority and solidarity at the exclusion of the "yellow" Chinese.

    Go work on your logic skills.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

  234. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    Regardless of how much one thinks that we should support Ukraine, everybody should demand basic competence from our economic authorities, like making sure that the sanctions they impose don't harm us more than the intended recipient. This is exactly what happened with the initial sanctions centered around gas and I'm wondering if any lesson was learned.

    They have the public on their side. The MSM has made sure of that and, frankly, so has Russia by starting this brutal war of choice. But you don't mess with the price of oil. It affects absolutely everything. Either they have been planning things very carefully during these past months of deliberations about the oil price cap or we're headed towards another disaster that will disproportionately harm the more vulnerable people without having any effect on the war.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Either they have been planning things very carefully during these past months of deliberations about the oil price cap or we’re headed towards another disaster that will disproportionately harm the more vulnerable people without having any effect on the war.

    Follow oils and natural gas prices for the next month or two and you get clear answer to your question.

    BTW, footage of protests against supporting Ukraine (naturally, on politically incorrect news channels) shows total lack of street illumination not only in Leipzig, but also in Madrid and Rome.

  235. @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040104857660555284/1048894931890098206/image.png

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    That sounds like some of Anglin’s style idiocy. That stuff is as just about as cracked as any stupidification from the Woke left. It’s really from the same line of reasoning in that it rejects any natural form of relations between the sexes.

    Liberalism is really demeaning to women and men both because it destroys their unique and worthy attributes and roles. I make no bones about telling my wife that what she does all day with the kids is actually more important than what I do with my day working. My income makes that possible and there are plenty of other contributions I make too in the family, but her influence is going to have the most direct persistent influence.

    My understanding is that cow slaughter is blasphemy to Sikhs in part because of the mother role that the cow plays as sustainer and life giver to the wider community. The cow embodies an aspect of the Divine Feminine, just as the Sikh male and his weapons embodies important aspects of the Divine Masculine. In a similar way the wife and mother properly embodies the Divine attributes, also as sustainer and life giver to the community. Liberalism itself is basically blasphemy to human relations in that it fundamentally destroys the modelling of Divine attributes in male and female.

    Any religious interpretation which is fundamentally misogynistic or anti-woman is misguided since it eliminates proper balance and interplay between the Divine attributes.

    Would it be possible for a Sikh to venerate the cow while scorning their wife or mother? It wouldn’t make much sense to me. And so I don’t see it “based” at all to denigrate women as a whole. It’s however important to criticize the perversions of womanhood which exist without forgetting that this is not what it should be. For what it’s worth, my wife is actually more vocally intolerant of most of her fellow American women than I am. For her you could say that it’s a bit more personal.

    Feel free to dispute any of the above, but it seems to follow from my own religious understanding and of the rudiments I understand of Sikhism.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    No.

    The Guru's found on the Edge of the Sword, the Tip of the Bullet, Powder Charge of Artillery.

    https://twitter.com/kalgidhardifauj/status/1593667779600711680

    You're overthinking it & Weapons are the Divine Feminine - How else are women won?


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  236. @AnonfromTN
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white,
     

    Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese
     
    You are welcome to keep posting anything that gets you remunerated. After all, you do it for a living. Most people can’t afford to be too choosy in this.

    It’s not your fault that the reality contradicts the narrative of the side that pays you. In the opinion of the Chinese who live in the Far East and earn their keep by honest work, rather than by Internet posting, Russians are the only whites who treat them as equals. But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others. That’s counterintuitive, considering that locals are not white. I wouldn’t believe it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes in more than one country. So, today being white is a geopolitical asset. Naturally, Russians are using every asset they have. As I saw one of the South Americans comment, “we know that Russia is fighting for all of us”.

    Replies: @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others.

    Would say that it is a geopolitical liability because it means that one’s national and cultural power base is significantly eroded and under attack.

    I do agree that there is a certain legacy-based status accorded to Euros in certain areas. China, SK, perhaps, Japan and some other places. (Though, it is a question how long it can continue, as people learn about the transformation of places like Paris)

    But even if it persists and has a value for starting business relationships, then arguably it is hackable by hiring “white monkeys” to facilitate these relationships.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    Would say that it is a geopolitical liability because it means that one’s national and cultural power base is significantly eroded and under attack.
     
    The enabling effect of whiteness is still there, although I don’t expect it to last more than two-three decades. Whiteness might become a liability eventually, but that will happen after geopolitical restructuring of the world is over.

    Here is something I would not believe if I hadn’t seen it myself. Across Indonesian islands there is a visible gradient of skin pigmentation, with the lightest end being Java and the darkest Papua. Lighter-skinned Indonesians believe that darker-skinned ones are inferior. Half of the items in their cosmetics section are various “whitening creams”. Even though objectively with their natural color most local girls are prettier than 99% of white Dutch and British women.

    Replies: @songbird

  237. @Coconuts
    @Barbarossa


    However, if that neutering of the natives is perceived as complete by the technocrats then you can expect a more forcible action against the formerly sacred “vibrant” communities. Once they have outlived their direct usefulness they will have to learn to be more properly submissive cogs to the glorious future.
     
    In Europe I am starting to doubt whether this will be possible. You can see in the UK that a lot of the bigger ethnic minority communities are becoming diasporas, closely connected to countries with much larger (and more youthful) populations. Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are still bringing in wives/husbands from their homelands each generation. The fact they are minorities promotes higher levels of group solidarity, they seem to be retaining or reviving traditional religion/customs and afaik, still maintain a higher birthrate, about double that of the white British.

    The recent trends in politics around BLM and historic colonialism suggest ethnic minorities are starting to assert themselves in the educational and cultural fields, maybe assisted by white progressives, but the latter may be just surrendering to new pressures and realities created by more youthful population groups.

    The things GR and Yevardian mentioned, the state trying to micro-manage things and failing due to advancing idiocracy and divided citizenry and the development of overtly communal politics don't seem like implausible possibilities for the future.

    I wonder now whether progressives and globalists had clear ideas of what they were doing when they started pursuing the mass-migration option in the 90s. Sometimes you see interviews with Tony Blair where it looks like he is aware he misjudged this one.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Barbarossa

    In reply to GR and yourself, I don’t discount the possibility that the liberal establishment has miscalculated on mass immigration. The establishment has a supreme faith in it’s ability that all things are fundamentally manageable. This led to a lot of the stupidity around Covid responses. Some things in this world cannot be infinitely managed.

    Honestly, I actually hope immigration will be indigestible for the liberal West and that those groups will prove intractable. As I’ve said before, the future that I find most daunting is that of liberalism continuing it’s current trajectory. Anything that undermines that seriously is okay with me. It doesn’t mean that I will like a great many of the direct consequences of that, since it will continue to cause more societal breakdown and chaos.

    The recent trends in politics around BLM and historic colonialism suggest ethnic minorities are starting to assert themselves in the educational and cultural fields, maybe assisted by white progressives,

    I’m not talking about these people since they are just as representative of liberalism as white progressives. Skin color doesn’t matter to the progressives as long as their liberal values are represented and internalized.

    What I’m thinking is that the liberal establishment fully expects that the hordes of Pakistanis et. al are going to be happy to become fully integrated into materialistic consumer society. If those groups refuse to integrate then they will start getting increasingly more overt pressure to do so.

    the development of overtly communal politics

    I think this plausible and is not a possibility that I’m opposed to since aligning politics more on the lines of direct and local material concerns is more reasonable than more prone to manipulation theoretical national politics.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Barbarossa


    Honestly, I actually hope immigration will be indigestible for the liberal West and that those groups will prove intractable. As I’ve said before, the future that I find most daunting is that of liberalism continuing it’s current trajectory.
     
    Some are saying that they are becoming aware of this and trying to ease off on the Wokeness and intersectionality as a result, but I think that the growth in these groups will be too rapid for them to be integrated into Western liberalism. They also stay in contact with significant cultural influences from outside Europe, which are likely to be more significant in the future. (Population of Pakistan, Bangladesh and India dwarfs that of the white British and is more youthful, same with the developing African diasporas).

    There is a good book by Patrick Deneen 'Why Liberalism Failed', this has some good arguments and predictions about where liberalism is going and why it won't work longer term. Another one called 'The Demon in Democracy' by Ryszard Legutko adds some new angles and depth that is relevant for Europe. Legutko is a Polish politician and professor of political philosophy and was a dissident under Communism, he looks at similarities and differences between applied socialism and liberalism.

    Given these titles were written in the early-mid 2010s the predictions in them have proved surprisingly accurate.


    I’m not talking about these people since they are just as representative of liberalism as white progressives. Skin color doesn’t matter to the progressives as long as their liberal values are represented and internalized.
     
    One of the quirky features of intersectionality is that ethnic minorities are not directly encouraged to accept liberalism, there is even a certain suspicion of it (as white and western). I suspect the grass roots pressure pushing for decolonisation of culture and education etc. is motivated by ethnocentrism and a desire to see it reflect their own ethnic group's history and experience. I remember when I had to study Classic British authors in my teens, parts of the class would already complain that it was irrelevant and boring. That was around a quarter of a century ago and everyone was white British, I can imagine what a classroom today might be like where the majority are Pakistani or Bangladeshi background and still having to study the same authors.

    With these groups the issues go beyond skin colour, this is usually a secondary thing compared to the cultural and religious differences, different historical experiences etc.

    What I’m thinking is that the liberal establishment fully expects that the hordes of Pakistanis et. al are going to be happy to become fully integrated into materialistic consumer society.
     
    From what I have seen they like it, but their income levels don't generally rise beyond the lower levels, so they don't move beyond the consumerism of the remaining British working class (mostly following the less prosperous Northern version of the culture). At the same time these communities currently don't have the same level of the social problems with drugs and broken families that the white working class does.

    I don't know how long it would take to raise them to the level of the consumption patterns of the middle classes, if it was possible. I tend to see the middle classes as being both the biggest supporters of liberalism, and the most at risk from it.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123

  238. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others.
     
    Would say that it is a geopolitical liability because it means that one's national and cultural power base is significantly eroded and under attack.

    I do agree that there is a certain legacy-based status accorded to Euros in certain areas. China, SK, perhaps, Japan and some other places. (Though, it is a question how long it can continue, as people learn about the transformation of places like Paris)

    But even if it persists and has a value for starting business relationships, then arguably it is hackable by hiring "white monkeys" to facilitate these relationships.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Would say that it is a geopolitical liability because it means that one’s national and cultural power base is significantly eroded and under attack.

    The enabling effect of whiteness is still there, although I don’t expect it to last more than two-three decades. Whiteness might become a liability eventually, but that will happen after geopolitical restructuring of the world is over.

    Here is something I would not believe if I hadn’t seen it myself. Across Indonesian islands there is a visible gradient of skin pigmentation, with the lightest end being Java and the darkest Papua. Lighter-skinned Indonesians believe that darker-skinned ones are inferior. Half of the items in their cosmetics section are various “whitening creams”. Even though objectively with their natural color most local girls are prettier than 99% of white Dutch and British women.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    Indonesia certainly is a remarkable country both for its natural diversity and geographic scope. 700 spoken languages, though independent PNG has more.

    Not sure what it would have looked like if the Dutch hadn't been there to consolidate it. Though I suppose the Javanese probably would have still dominated the area, based on numbers.

  239. Apparently the religious police in Iran will be disbanded. So the mullahs aren’t completely braindead yet and seem to accept the need for at least some concessions. Will be interesting to see if it’s enough or too little, too late.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    Apparently the religious police in Iran will be disbanded. So the mullahs aren’t completely braindead yet and seem to accept the need for at least some concessions. Will be interesting to see if it’s enough or too little, too late.
     
    It is hard to see how the Ayatollah can offer concessions and survive. The rule of Islamic Revolutionaries is grounded in religious extremism.

    Iran Abolishes Morality Police. Or Did They?

    Iran’s Attorney General Mohammad Jafar Montazeri announced on Saturday night that the hated Morality Police would be disbanded. The news was broadcast over state media outlets but was not confirmed by the Interior Ministry.

    President Ebrahim Raisi said there would be no discussions of reform until the “riots” ended. That may still be true, as Montazeri pointed out that the Morality Police were not under the judiciary’s authority and would continue “to monitor behavioral actions at the community level.”

    Iranians are skeptical.

    Arash Azizi آرش عزیزی

    Montazeri said the patrol wasn't the business of the judiciary but of the police so "they launched it and they shut it themselves." He quickly added that the Judiciary would still monitor "behavior in society"

    Iran's regime media have also been quick at work, clarifying the the issue and denying that Guidance Patrol has been shut.
     
    The Iranian government is extremely factionalized and it’s not unusual for one faction to promote a policy or action while another faction opposed it. And with rumors that Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei is seriously ill, it might even be a question of “who’s in charge”?
     
    Knowing that change is coming, officials are jockeying for position (and personal survival).

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/12/04/iran-abolishes-morality-police-or-did-they-n1650786
    , @Yahya
    @German_reader


    So the mullahs aren’t completely braindead yet and seem to accept the need for at least some concessions.
     
    When autocratic regimes accept concessions, the clock starts ticking. Giving in to demands sends out a signal of their weakened position. I.e. the 1905 October manefsito in Russia reduced the Tsar’s position irrevocably until he was deposed (this being delayed due largely to Stolypin’s astute leadership). Machiavelli would likely have counseled a brutal put-down of the protestors; then perhaps implementing reforms.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Matra

  240. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/26451399-functional-training

    The Amazon widget output does not go through Unz's input in some OS-browser combinations. I quit posting Amazon links for awhile altogether and I think I will go back to that.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Is that an approach you’ve used and you’ve found useful?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    The prime directive: if it hurts do something else.

    I endorse this. Santana is not the man on the cover of that book. That is his son. He is an old fart. He used to be a power lifter and he wrecked his shoulders power lifting enough to compete at it. Lifting free weights is excellent exercise. As part of a variety. As a steady diet your destination is injury amongst all of the people I have ever known whose exercise consists of lifting free weights at a fraction of .9.

    Now your weight lifting gym rats look at me and see this:

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/156E3/production/_103897778_npcwojak.jpg

    That's OK!

  241. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Is that an approach you've used and you've found useful?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The prime directive: if it hurts do something else.

    I endorse this. Santana is not the man on the cover of that book. That is his son. He is an old fart. He used to be a power lifter and he wrecked his shoulders power lifting enough to compete at it. Lifting free weights is excellent exercise. As part of a variety. As a steady diet your destination is injury amongst all of the people I have ever known whose exercise consists of lifting free weights at a fraction of .9.

    Now your weight lifting gym rats look at me and see this:

    That’s OK!

    • Thanks: Barbarossa, Not Raul
  242. @Mikel
    @showmethereal


    All that bulk doesn’t extend life either
     
    I wouldn't put it that way. You are possibly right that bodybuilding is not the best strategy for life extension purposes, even if you practice it clean, insofar it involves high consumption of animal protein. At least that's what some (but not all) longevity researchers say. But there are several important caveats:

    - Metabolism varies greatly between individuals and populations. It is difficult to give dietary advice that will work equally well (or at all) for everybody.

    - If these researchers are right, plant-based proteins with low contents of leucin and isoleucin would only have rather modest effects on cell protection and lifespan. At best, a few years in exchange for giving up the pleasure of animal protein.

    - The most important caveat, that relates directly to your statement, is that muscle bulk in itself does extend healthspan and lifespan. Muscle loss is one of the inevitable consequences of aging. It starts at around 30 years of age and becomes worse with each decade. As you age, this muscle loss starts to have increasingly important functional effects. Not only you become unable to do many things that you were able to do before but this progressive lack of activity has detrimental metabolic effects. It also prevents you from you doing vigorous aerobic exercise, that is the best known way to stay healthy, and increases frailty, which reduces lifespan. A hip or other bone fracture would not be a very life-changing event in your 20s but in your 70s-80s it may lead you to early death in a couple of years. The lack of muscle at those ages means that people may never recover from an accident like that. They become semi-paralyzed or bedridden, which increases muscle loss and lack of activity even more and greatly reduces life expectancy.

    The best way to prevent all of that is to maintain as much muscle as you can in your old age. This, in turn, is easier if you achieved good muscle size in your youth, when you really are able to generate good hypertrophy. Keeping or returning to a muscle mass that was already there is much easier than trying to generate that muscle at an old age, when metabolism, strength and joint health are all playing against you.

    I don't particularly like lifting weights at the gym, I much prefer strenuous exercise in nature, but it is what it is. Btw, a very little known fact is that muscle cells are the only cells that never develop cancer. It is not known why but scientists hope to apply their knowledge to the cure of cancer when they finally unravel the secret.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Of course there are many factors (genetics – environment – diet/lifestyle)… Anecdotally I think “strenuous exercise in nature” is probably a better bet. The people I know who practice such tend to live longer and have much better quality of life up into their 70’s and 80’s (some losing function in their 90’s). I’ve never seen it among the “body building” crowd – but maybe because that’s a newer phenomenon. I wonder what the average life expectancy of a body builder is – and likewise rugby and american football players compared to other athletes….??

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @showmethereal


    I wonder what the average life expectancy of a body builder is
     
    The crucial thing here is if the bodybuilder is clean (no steroids, hormones, etc) or unclean. Many of the compounds that bodybuilders take are very damaging for long-term health but I would expect a clean bodybuilder to live longer than the average. They eat rather healthy diets, don't smoke or abuse alcohol and anaerobic exercise, while not as good as aerobic for general health, also provides benefits, one of them being the muscle mass that is so important in old age, as I discussed in my previous comment. I don't think there are too many clean bodybuilders though.

    On the other hand, exercising and dieting to maximize muscle mass is not the optimum strategy if your goal is to maximize lifespan. You would rather need to focus on aerobic exercise while trying to maintain muscle mass, which may be difficult if you overdo it, as the physiques of marathon runners show. There are different hallmarks of aging at a cellular level but an important one is the accumulation of dead and senescent cells. This can be delayed with the process of autophagy: forcing your organism to use these damaged cells for metabolism instead of exterior nutrients. Autophagy is achieved through caloric restriction (the best known method to extend lifespan in all sorts of organisms, from yeast to mammals), intermittent fasting and strong aerobic exercise. Bodybuilders that eat constant protein-rich food and only practice moderate aerobics, if at all, are giving up this important longevity tool, although the caloric restriction during the "cutting" phase should provide some of it.

    I am by no means an expert on any of this though. I'm just relaying what I believe is the latest scientific understanding. If AnonfromTN regularly works with plasmids, as he explained above, he is the one person who should be commenting on all this.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  243. @Dmitry
    @A123

    From this last thread.
    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=A123


    When the park was swarmed with non-locals, everyone who actually lived there took a financia
     
    Afula is a Jewish city in Northern Israel. Majority of the population in Northern Israel are Arab people. It's a Jewish city surrounded by Arab cities.

    Life in Arab villages in Israel have low investment from the national level and also there is a lot of mafia and high crime, low level of police investment. As the article I posted wrote, because of the problems in the Arab villages, many of the middle class Arab families are starting to immigrate to Jewish cities like Afula. Most of Arabs in Northern Israel are relatively Westernized, most of the Arab women there do not wear hijab. They just want to shop in IKEA or H&M.* They will immigrate to the Jewish cities if they can have a better quality of life like any middle class aspiring people.

    At the same time, the Jewish cities in Northern Israel, are selling property to the Jewish residents, because they are the Jewish cities, not mixed cities. This is their raison d'être to attain new Jewish residents. Mixed cities in Israel are unpopular, because they are often like living in a volcano, when there is a tension in the Israel-Palestine war, For example, in 2021, there was the interethnic violence in the mixed cities Lod, Yafo and Ramle, because of the conflict with the Temple Mount/Al Aqsa in Jerusalem. There were many killings in 2021 in those cities.

    It's expected Mayor of Afula is protesting to try to prevent Arab families move to his city, as becoming a mixed city would stop him receiving new Jewish residents. But in the same time, the middle class Arab families will still want to move there, because the Jewish cities is where the infrastructure and investment is at a developed country level in Northern Israel. The investment in Arab cities's infrastructure and police is a bit more like the third world.

    It's analogous for racial discrimination in cities like Detroit 1930s, of the white suburbs against black people. But, it's more unsolvable, because it is also responding to the Arab-Israel conflict and religious war in the Middle East, with regular killing, related also to international events.

    Israel's government has more money now so Netanyahu will try to invest more money to the Arab villages. It was his plan in the 2010s. https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-okays-nis-15b-upgrade-plan-for-arab-communities/

    So even the far-right politicians, know if the Arab cities had received more investment, there would be less driver to immigrate to Jewish cities in Northern Israel.


    Jaffa situation is more complicated. It has an unusually high religious mix dating back for decades.
     
    Northern Yafo/Jaffa is a gentrification is like Bedford–Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, which Spike Lee discusses often. It is an attractive real estate because its location is quite central. It also has historical building. Real estate companies can make money doing re-novation of old buildings.

    But there is no escape from racial/religious conflict if Jews immigrate to Yafo, because Yafo was an important center of the Arab-Israel conflict in Mandatory Palestine. The beginning of the Arab revolt in 1936, has beginning with the riot in Yafo in 1935.

    In the 1947 Partition Plan which is the original two-state solution, Yafo was part of the Arab state. In the 1948 Arab-Israel war, half of the Arab population in Yafo has become refugees.

    It is historically one of the most important area of violence in the Arab-Israel conflict and there is still a lot of tension there.


    There is also a small, often over looked, Christian population around the local Church of St. Peter.

     

    There has been a lot of religious infrastructure, because the port was historically the entrance for the Holy Land. When pilgrims arrive in the Holy Land in the port, they would be first there and cared by the religious institutions.

    Yafo was the door to the Holy land for pilgrims for thousands of years. But today, there is no port (except some small fishing boats). Religious pilgrims come by the airport. There is still potential for a kitsch tourist zone in Northern Yafo.

    -
    * There are the Arab shoppers in the mall in the Arab capital of Israel (Nazareth). It's not like Bedouins in Southern Israel. Arabs in Northern Israel mostly don't wear hijab and are not much different in lifestyle than average modernizing people in a second world Islamic country like Turkey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF36tpyaU0Q

    Replies: @Yahya, @A123

    Life in Arab villages in Israel have low investment from the national level

    Israel runs municipal grants & investments largely based on tax and business activity to the national level (∆). Municipalities that generate limited money receive less funding. That is not “discriminatory” based on religion. It is recognition that reinvestment in cities that work generate economic growth. Most successful nations use variations of this policy.

    there is a lot of mafia and high crime, low level of police investment

    Arab villages could raise taxes on Arab residents to improve Arab law enforcement (e.g. police investment). They choose not to and opt for blame shifting. This has a strong parallel in America:

    • Certain groups have a propensity for crime.
    • Those groups primarily prey on others of their group.

    American cities that recognize these facts do acceptable jobs. Cities that are delusional — Minneapolis, Portland, Chicago, San Francisco — have crime that is out of control.

    because of the problems in the Arab villages, many of the middle class Arab families are starting to immigrate to Jewish cities like Afula.

    This has a rough parallel in “post-segregation” America. Stable black communities suddenly became less functional when their leadership class moved out. Some fully collapsed.

    Muslims voluntarily hollowing out Arab villages by leaving can only make the problems worse.

    Arab women there do not wear hijab. They just want to shop in IKEA or H&M.* They will immigrate to the Jewish cities if they can have a better quality of life like any middle class aspiring people.

    Certain stores are not present because of lower PRIVATE investment in Arab villages.

    Why? Could it be lower disposable income? Higher crime risk? Concerns about being burned out if there is a Minneapolis like civil disturbance?

    Businesses would open there if there was a profit motive to do so. If Arab villages improve, private investment will follow. And, the only group to that can drive that change are the Arab residents of Afula, not the national government.

    Israel’s government has more money now so Netanyahu will try to invest more money to the Arab villages. It was his plan in the 2010s. https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-okays-nis-15b-upgrade-plan-for-arab-communities/

    end of single-family home construction and a transition to high-rise construction, as exists throughout the country. At the same time, the plan will strengthen law enforcement in the minority sector with emphasis on illegal construction.”

    So even the far-right politicians, know if the Arab cities had received more investment, there would be less driver to immigrate to Jewish cities in Northern Israel.

    Centrist politician Netanyahu will make the attempt, which is good politics. Even if it does not work it will demonstrate his personal commitment to maintain Likud’s Centrist credentials and separation from the Right.

    Illegal construction breeds crime, as payments are “off the books”. Reducing that practice should produce some immediate gains.

    Dense pack, high-rise living is a much more problematic policy. If Arab residents do not take responsibility for Arab crime against Arabs, it could generate the “Cabrini–Green” effect.

    In the 1947 Partition Plan which is the original two-state solution, Yafo was part of the Arab state. In the 1948 Arab-Israel war, half of the Arab population in Yafo has become refugees.

    It is historically one of the most important area of violence in the Arab-Israel conflict and there is still a lot of tension there.

    Mixed cities in Israel are unpopular, because they are often like living in a volcano, when there is a tension

    Jaffa indeed has the mixed city problem, with a huge side order of gentrification misery. The populations are fully intermingled including 3,000+ Christians. There is no easy answer, it cannot even be informally compartmentalized to mono religious neighborhoods.
    ___

    Over optimism after WW II led to many profound mistakes:

    • The UN is almost certainly the biggest post WW II boondoggle. It is so flawed, it has created & extended wars. Alas, it is much like the EU. Almost everyone realizes that it should be replaced, but there is no consensus on what the new structure should be. For example, India should have a permanent UNSC seat, but the PRC would never allow that.

    • The Balfour Declaration of 1917 for a Jewish “national home” in Palestine followed by the 1922 Palestinian Mandate was a sound starting point. Abrogating those concepts in 1947 was a fiasco. Instead of using the obvious Jordan River Line, the absurd border guaranteed conflict. Experts warned about this at the time. Unfortunately, that sound advice was ignored.

    • France failed to create separate nations for Maronite Lebanon and Muslim Lebanon. Demographers warned this was a mistake, and they were ignored. Partitioning now is much harder than it could have been. However, multicultural Lebanon is now so failed they cannot even select a President. Is there any viable solution other than division?

    • Why is there no Kurdistan? This was an easy problem to fix in the 1940’s, but it was ignored.

    There is a pattern where obvious issues were simply skipped post WW II. The consequence is a trail of foreseeable flare ups.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) Due to deals such as Oslo, different investment concepts are legally required in Muslim Occupied Judea & Samaria. These cases are not relevant to the Afula & Jaffa discussion.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @A123


    lower PRIVATE investment in Arab villages.
     
    I'm not an expert about the history or area, but you can see the shopping malls in Northern Israel are full of Arab shoppers buying like consumers in a developed economy.

    But the public space of the Arab villages/cities are more chaotic and like in a third world i.e. like Jordan. At the same time, there are often a lot of mansions and people with luxury automobiles living there.

    Healthcare will still be good there, as everyone uses the same hospitals, with free healthcare. But the schools are likely at a low level. The city planning is also low. You can doubt there is level of building preparation for earthquakes, or civilian defense from missile attacks.

    So, there is the obvious problem of the lack of public investment in the Arab areas.

    Also the crime levels were going extremely high in the recent years for Israeli Arabs areas. https://observers.france24.com/en/tv-shows/the-observers/20221011-israel-s-arab-community-terrorised-by-rising-crime-and-violence.


    Jaffa indeed has the mixed city problem, with a huge side order of gentrification misery. The populations are fully intermingled There is no easy answer, it cannot even be informally compartmentalized to mono religious neighborhoods.

     

    It is only North Yafo/Jaffa which has the significant Jewish immigration. You can see the demographics if you look at the election maps and match to the simplified ethnic groups.

    You can see in the election map North edge of Yafo begins voting for the liberal Jewish politics (Blue and White).

    Some Yafo Arabs are moving South and they are living in North Bat Yam. You can see the Arab joint list is receiving votes there.

    Bat Yam is Likud center, because the population there is the rightwing demographics, of more working class Mizrachi Jews and Russian-speaking immigrants
    https://i.imgur.com/O0KmEdj.jpg

    In the Northern Tel Aviv there are the politically liberal demographics. Secular Ashkenazi Jews are the leftist demographic in Israel. Liberal Ashkenazim are majority all over the wealthy Northern suburbs.

    In poor South Tel Aviv (except the gentrified areas in the West), there is a working class Mizrachi population, as well as the illegal immigrants (who do not vote). So, the poor South Tel Aviv is also the important voting center for the Likud.

    Replies: @Yahya, @A123

  244. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    Would say that it is a geopolitical liability because it means that one’s national and cultural power base is significantly eroded and under attack.
     
    The enabling effect of whiteness is still there, although I don’t expect it to last more than two-three decades. Whiteness might become a liability eventually, but that will happen after geopolitical restructuring of the world is over.

    Here is something I would not believe if I hadn’t seen it myself. Across Indonesian islands there is a visible gradient of skin pigmentation, with the lightest end being Java and the darkest Papua. Lighter-skinned Indonesians believe that darker-skinned ones are inferior. Half of the items in their cosmetics section are various “whitening creams”. Even though objectively with their natural color most local girls are prettier than 99% of white Dutch and British women.

    Replies: @songbird

    Indonesia certainly is a remarkable country both for its natural diversity and geographic scope. 700 spoken languages, though independent PNG has more.

    Not sure what it would have looked like if the Dutch hadn’t been there to consolidate it. Though I suppose the Javanese probably would have still dominated the area, based on numbers.

  245. @German_reader
    Apparently the religious police in Iran will be disbanded. So the mullahs aren't completely braindead yet and seem to accept the need for at least some concessions. Will be interesting to see if it's enough or too little, too late.

    Replies: @A123, @Yahya

    Apparently the religious police in Iran will be disbanded. So the mullahs aren’t completely braindead yet and seem to accept the need for at least some concessions. Will be interesting to see if it’s enough or too little, too late.

    It is hard to see how the Ayatollah can offer concessions and survive. The rule of Islamic Revolutionaries is grounded in religious extremism.

    Iran Abolishes Morality Police. Or Did They?

    Iran’s Attorney General Mohammad Jafar Montazeri announced on Saturday night that the hated Morality Police would be disbanded. The news was broadcast over state media outlets but was not confirmed by the Interior Ministry.

    President Ebrahim Raisi said there would be no discussions of reform until the “riots” ended. That may still be true, as Montazeri pointed out that the Morality Police were not under the judiciary’s authority and would continue “to monitor behavioral actions at the community level.”

    Iranians are skeptical.

    Arash Azizi آرش عزیزی

    Montazeri said the patrol wasn’t the business of the judiciary but of the police so “they launched it and they shut it themselves.” He quickly added that the Judiciary would still monitor “behavior in society”

    Iran’s regime media have also been quick at work, clarifying the the issue and denying that Guidance Patrol has been shut.

    The Iranian government is extremely factionalized and it’s not unusual for one faction to promote a policy or action while another faction opposed it. And with rumors that Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei is seriously ill, it might even be a question of “who’s in charge”?

    Knowing that change is coming, officials are jockeying for position (and personal survival).

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/12/04/iran-abolishes-morality-police-or-did-they-n1650786

  246. @Beckow
    @showmethereal

    Yeah, the available pool is shrinking, both in absolute numbers and in talent-rich environments. One issue are small families. Genetically we need to go deep to have enough variety, with 1-2 kids that happens less. With multiple kids from the same parents the genetic variety is richer.

    With any animal species a boring progression of 1-2 offsprings, often after artificial pair-ups like in a Zoo, they will soon be at the edge of extinction. European societies have been like that for 1-2 generations, not enough variety is a downward spiral. There are also social negatives of not having siblings around - it may even suppress football talent.

    But my bet is still on Croatia :)...it is probably hopeless, but they have unique flair when they play well, this is their last chance.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Mostly agreed – but I don’t understand what you mean by “in talent-rich environments”…. Do you mean in Italy that youth football is not as well funded?

    And yes what you say socially about small families is true all around. East Asia is just like Europe in that regard now (South Korea and Japan have the lowest birth rates in the world). South East Asia is headed that way (Singapore is second after South Korea in birth rate). Even South America birth rates are falling. Yes children who don’t grow up with siblings has a lot of implications. Grandparents with few grand children is bad socially as well.

  247. @AnonfromTN
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    China is lacking too many things that Russia has. Including, but not limited to, being white,
     

    Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese
     
    You are welcome to keep posting anything that gets you remunerated. After all, you do it for a living. Most people can’t afford to be too choosy in this.

    It’s not your fault that the reality contradicts the narrative of the side that pays you. In the opinion of the Chinese who live in the Far East and earn their keep by honest work, rather than by Internet posting, Russians are the only whites who treat them as equals. But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others. That’s counterintuitive, considering that locals are not white. I wouldn’t believe it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes in more than one country. So, today being white is a geopolitical asset. Naturally, Russians are using every asset they have. As I saw one of the South Americans comment, “we know that Russia is fighting for all of us”.

    Replies: @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    For a scientist you do like to argue with anecdotes rather than data.

    Did they not teach you Popper falsification and inductive reasoning in grad school? I can claim that I heard from Svetlana and Yulia this and that.

    Russians are the only whites who treat them as equals.

    Russians in the land formerly of Qing China treating the Chinese as equals. Is that what you are claiming?

    But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others.

    Good for you.

    Bashibuzuk and I had a nice academic exchange about the cliché Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare. Obviously you weren’t paying attention,

    The Anglosphere gets hanged up on a sharp division between East and West Eurasians, but Eurasian nomads should have always been a mix of Europoid and Mongloid features, like Putin and Shoigu.

    Yes I agree, they have intermixed since times immemorial. I mean, already by the times of the Botaï culture, there was a mixed Western Eurasian / Eastern Eurasian population. There is a haplogroup cline going West to East in Eurasia but it is thousand years old, well before the advent of the historically recorded populations.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5638069

    As I saw one of the South Americans comment, “we know that Russia is fighting for all of us”.

    All of “us” as in what? Slav nation? White Christendom?

    Who’s Russia fighting for in planning to attack Japan?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Did they not teach you Popper falsification and inductive reasoning in grad school?
     
    He's a pure sovok boomer and Popper was antimarxist, so ofc they didn't teach it in USSR at the time;)

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @AnonfromTN
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Who’s Russia fighting for in planning to attack Japan?
     
    I wonder what madhouse this idea is coming from? Why on Earth would Russia attack Japan? What would it gain?

    This myth is only promoted by the empire to “explain” why Japan is still occupied 76 years after the war (in which the empire, not Russia or anyone else, nuked Japan – the first and so far the only use of nuclear weapons against humans).

    , @Sher Singh
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The KGB also helped perpetrate the Sikh genocide by feeding false info.

  248. @AnonfromTN
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Ukraine, who in turn is probably not going to go against China on the Taiwan Question.
     
    There is a big difference between Ukraine and current regime in Kiev. This regime has no agency. Its “opinions” are dictated to it by the puppeteers. The cancellation of the sale of Motor Sich to Chinese investors on puppeteers’ command is a good illustration. After getting rid of current puppet regime, Ukraine will have good relations with China, among many other countries.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Puppeteers as in the West. The basis for PRC-RusFed quasi-alliance being anti-West.

    Yet you are also arguing for “white” superiority and solidarity at the exclusion of the “yellow” Chinese.

    Go work on your logic skills.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Go work on your logic skills.
     
    Herr Professor's logic skills got scrambled at the fork in the road, depicted within comment #228. He should be grateful that his sole reason for living has remained intact:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/US_one_dollar_bill%2C_obverse%2C_series_2009.jpg

    , @AnonfromTN
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Yet you are also arguing for “white” superiority and solidarity at the exclusion of the “yellow” Chinese.
     
    Comprehension problem? That’s a remarkably lame excuse.
    , @AnonfromTN
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    The basis for PRC-RusFed quasi-alliance being anti-West.
     
    Wow! What a revelation! I always naively thought that it was Antigua and Barbuda who organized coups in neighboring countries and built hundreds of military bases surrounding Russia and China, so that the quasi-alliance must be against them. You opened my eyes!

    Replies: @Jazman

  249. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN

    For a scientist you do like to argue with anecdotes rather than data.

    Did they not teach you Popper falsification and inductive reasoning in grad school? I can claim that I heard from Svetlana and Yulia this and that.


    Russians are the only whites who treat them as equals.
     
    Russians in the land formerly of Qing China treating the Chinese as equals. Is that what you are claiming?

    But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others.
     
    Good for you.

    Bashibuzuk and I had a nice academic exchange about the cliché Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare. Obviously you weren't paying attention,


    The Anglosphere gets hanged up on a sharp division between East and West Eurasians, but Eurasian nomads should have always been a mix of Europoid and Mongloid features, like Putin and Shoigu.

     


    Yes I agree, they have intermixed since times immemorial. I mean, already by the times of the Botaï culture, there was a mixed Western Eurasian / Eastern Eurasian population. There is a haplogroup cline going West to East in Eurasia but it is thousand years old, well before the advent of the historically recorded populations.

     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5638069

    As I saw one of the South Americans comment, “we know that Russia is fighting for all of us”.
     
    All of "us" as in what? Slav nation? White Christendom?

    Who's Russia fighting for in planning to attack Japan?

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh

    Did they not teach you Popper falsification and inductive reasoning in grad school?

    He’s a pure sovok boomer and Popper was antimarxist, so ofc they didn’t teach it in USSR at the time;)

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @sudden death

    The evolution of these diagrams reminds me of Covid-- whatever happens, the answer is always more Communism (or more lockdowns)

    https://i.postimg.cc/633GvMr6/marx-1.gif

    https://i.postimg.cc/QCK96VYR/marx-2.gif

    https://i.postimg.cc/9Mnwtybd/marx-3.gif
    https://www.friesian.com/marx.htm

  250. @Yahya
    @Dmitry

    Thanks, interesting post. My friends grandparents were from Jaffa. It’s one of the most beautiful areas in the world with lots of developmental potential, so am not surprised if it will be gentrified. Hope they will do it in a tasteful manner and maintain it’s old world building style and charm.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    lots of developmental potential, so am not surprised if it will be gentrified. Hope they will do it in a tasteful manner

    Ancient and Ottoman building in the old port of Jaffa/Yafo is a tourist zone. So, the more ancient buildings don’t change which is good, but the shops are selling kitsch things to tourists which less attractive.

    [MORE]

    The main shopping street at the North of Yafo with a 19th century Ottoman tower has become a 4-lane highway and with unpleasant cars and traffic. That is how you can damage the historical atmosphere. You don’t need ethnic cleansing, just cars. They need to pedestrianize all the area, but there is probably no plan for this. So, I don’t think it is such a successful area, even aside from its tensions of the Arab-Israel conflict.

    The old working class suburb that was built in the late 19th century above Yafo (Neve Tzedek) has become gentrified and became a leisure area with cafes.

    Gentrification there, seems like a successful example.
    1. Mostly cars do not drive there (less noise/pollution).
    2. Middle class people moved there but didn’t clean it too much. They were happy to allow it to continue the appearance of the shabby 19th century streets. At least for now they are not driving SUVs in the small streets.

  251. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN

    For a scientist you do like to argue with anecdotes rather than data.

    Did they not teach you Popper falsification and inductive reasoning in grad school? I can claim that I heard from Svetlana and Yulia this and that.


    Russians are the only whites who treat them as equals.
     
    Russians in the land formerly of Qing China treating the Chinese as equals. Is that what you are claiming?

    But geopolitically whiteness matters, at least right now: in most places of the world locals treat whites with greater respect than others.
     
    Good for you.

    Bashibuzuk and I had a nice academic exchange about the cliché Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare. Obviously you weren't paying attention,


    The Anglosphere gets hanged up on a sharp division between East and West Eurasians, but Eurasian nomads should have always been a mix of Europoid and Mongloid features, like Putin and Shoigu.

     


    Yes I agree, they have intermixed since times immemorial. I mean, already by the times of the Botaï culture, there was a mixed Western Eurasian / Eastern Eurasian population. There is a haplogroup cline going West to East in Eurasia but it is thousand years old, well before the advent of the historically recorded populations.

     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5638069

    As I saw one of the South Americans comment, “we know that Russia is fighting for all of us”.
     
    All of "us" as in what? Slav nation? White Christendom?

    Who's Russia fighting for in planning to attack Japan?

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh

    Who’s Russia fighting for in planning to attack Japan?

    I wonder what madhouse this idea is coming from? Why on Earth would Russia attack Japan? What would it gain?

    This myth is only promoted by the empire to “explain” why Japan is still occupied 76 years after the war (in which the empire, not Russia or anyone else, nuked Japan – the first and so far the only use of nuclear weapons against humans).

    • Agree: showmethereal
  252. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN

    Puppeteers as in the West. The basis for PRC-RusFed quasi-alliance being anti-West.

    Yet you are also arguing for "white" superiority and solidarity at the exclusion of the "yellow" Chinese.

    Go work on your logic skills.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    Go work on your logic skills.

    Herr Professor’s logic skills got scrambled at the fork in the road, depicted within comment #228. He should be grateful that his sole reason for living has remained intact:

  253. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AnonfromTN

    Puppeteers as in the West. The basis for PRC-RusFed quasi-alliance being anti-West.

    Yet you are also arguing for "white" superiority and solidarity at the exclusion of the "yellow" Chinese.

    Go work on your logic skills.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    Yet you are also arguing for “white” superiority and solidarity at the exclusion of the “yellow” Chinese.

    Comprehension problem? That’s a remarkably lame excuse.

  254. @A123
    @Dmitry


    Life in Arab villages in Israel have low investment from the national level
     
    Israel runs municipal grants & investments largely based on tax and business activity to the national level (∆). Municipalities that generate limited money receive less funding. That is not "discriminatory" based on religion. It is recognition that reinvestment in cities that work generate economic growth. Most successful nations use variations of this policy.

    there is a lot of mafia and high crime, low level of police investment
    &nb