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The previous thread had become sluggish, so I’m opening up a new one, jump-starting it with several excellent recent video interviews with Col. Douglas Macgregor:

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  1. A123 says: • Website

    Unlike Ritter and Sachs, Macgregor offers well constructed analysis. I will have to listen to those pieces as time allows.

    In tribute to Not-The-President Biden’s 80th birthday and the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday. I offer this:

     

     

    I suspect that bird regrets accepting the pardon at this point.

    🦃 Happy Thanksgiving 🦃

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @follyofwar
  2. Good timing, thanks!

    • Agree: A123
  3. Wokechoke says:

    https://zoom.earth/maps/temperature/

    It’s balmy in Crimea and Donetsk, frozen solid in Kiev, Sumy and Cherniev.

    Meteorological report.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  4. @Wokechoke

    It’s balmy in Crimea and Donetsk, frozen solid in Kiev, Sumy and Cherniev.

    Did Western media accuse Putin of that already?

    One of many Russian jokes (it rhymes in Russian, does not rhyme in English): “If the cat abandons kittens, Putin is to blame”.

    • Replies: @A123
  5. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    Apparently they are accusing Russians of shelling their own nuclear power plant. (1)

    Ukrainian troops subjected the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (NPP) to massive artillery shelling, damaging strategic facilities, an adviser to the head of Rosenergoatom, a subsidiary of Russian state nuclear energy corporation Rosatom, told Sputnik on Sunday.

    “The Ukrainian military launched a massive strike directly at the station. Twelve rockets were fired. It is known that six of them hit the cooling system of reactors, two — hit the dry cask storage [of radioactive waste]. The consequences of the shelling cannot be determined yet since the risk of repeated attacks remains,” Renat Karchaa said.

    None of the Zaporozhye NPP personnel were injured, according to Karchaa.

    Why would Russians shell their own infrastructure? It’s pretty daft accusation.

    Only unhinged Ukie Maximalists could find sense in such madness.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://sputniknews.com/20221120/ukrainian-troops-shell-zaporizhzhia-npp-damaging-strategic-facilities-rosenergoatom-1104465715.html

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Mr. Hack
    , @Sean
  6. @A123

    Apparently they are accusing Russians of shelling their own nuclear power plant.

    In Western lugenpresse it’s all par for the course. Western and Ukie media accused Russia of shelling Donetsk (it was never occupied by Ukies, and that makes them seethe), shelling civilians fleeing from Ukie-controlled areas to Russian-controlled ones in Eastern Ukraine, and of blowing up its own pipelines. IMO the highest achievement on these lines was BBC report from Crimea in 2015 headlined “celebration of the anniversary of Russian occupation”. IMO the funniest thing was that BBC actually showed genuine celebration, with numerous dressed-up Crimean families with children in the streets, yet libtard term “occupation” was in the headline.

  7. songbird says:

    Wish FIFA president Gianni Infantino would elaborate on his remarks that “Europeans must apologize for 3000 years.”

    Am hoping he has found a Linear B tablet with an older, firsthand account of battle than Xenophon. Perhaps, a failed expedition to conquer the New World, or a kind of Bronze Age Stanley traveling into darkest Africa.

    Don’t think he could have been speaking of Troy, at least in the mythic tradition, both because of Trojan provocations and because of Aeneas’ brutal subjugation of the innocent Latins and Etruscans.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  8. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    There seems to be quite a lot of criticism from human rights types though, this weaponizing of white man’s guilt narratives in service of a rather reactionary (and homophobic!) regime is too blatantly cynical.
    Of course still indicative of the direction things are going, and as Meloni’s remarks (even if they were not recent, but apparently from 2019) show even most right-wingers accept that framing or at least don’t manage to explicitly reject it.

  9. Sher Singh says:
    @German_reader

    No, this is the correct usage of white guilt – to limit liberalism.

  10. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    It is kind of funny because Qatar is arguably a fake and gay state that would not exist except for the fact it is strategically advantageous for certain Western groups, if it is not amalgamated into some greater Arab state.

  11. A123 says: • Website

    A certain well known election denier and #NeverTrump conspiracy theorist has been declaring that Trump endorsed Lauren Boebert was going to lose. Guess what: (1)

    Democrat Adam Frisch concedes to Lauren Boebert in close Colorado House race

    Donald Trump-backed Republican Lauren Boebert will likely serve a second term in the House after her Democratic challenger Adam Frisch conceded to the incumbent Friday despite the race triggering Colorado’s recount laws

    Trump’s 90%+ endorsement success rate scores yet another win.

    When will Leftoids end their “Bigly Lie”? His personal favorite for House rule, Nancy Pelosi, is done for.

    The impending impeachment investigations into Not-The-President Biden’s corruption will be an expression of TRUTH & Justice in action: (2)

    Rep. James Comer announces the Republican House Oversight Committee is launching an investigation into Joe Biden’s dealings with his son Hunter to determine whether the president “is compromised or swayed by foreign dollars.”

    Video under [MORE]

    if you are a Dem who doesn’t like that, perhaps you should tell your own team that they started this crazy train. The Republicans have every right to shout their own grievances from the rooftops and hold as many investigations as they’d like after the last 6 years of insanity from the Left.

    Let’s not forget that Donald Trump was subjected to years of congressional investigation

    If you supported those measures against Trump, you cannot complain about this without being a massive hypocrite.

    • Joe Biden got the Ukrainian special prosecutor fired who was investigating his son’s involvement on the board of a corrupt Ukrainian energy firm.

    • Hunter Biden’s laptop is a treasure trove that implicates the president (“The Big Guy”) in numerous financial transactions with shady foreign entities that have benefited the Biden family over decades.

    • Whistleblower Tony Bobulinski, who helped set up the shell companies the Biden family used, has publicly detailed his conversations with Joe Biden and his brother Jim Biden, as well as Hunter Biden.

    • Joe Biden claimed he had no involvement with any of these family dealings, but voicemails and messages counter that claim.

    And that’s just the tip of the iceberg!

    MAGA WINS! Delusional #NeverTrump extremism loses.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrat-adam-frisch-concedes-to-lauren-boebert-in-close-colorado-house-race/ar-AA14h3SP

    (2) https://notthebee.com/article/house-gop-announces-investigation-of-the-president-this-committee-will-evaluate-whether-this-president-is-compromised-or-swayed-by-foreign-dollars-

    [MORE]

  12. Iraqi Information Minister reviews

    Closer Encounters
    Jason Reza Jorjani
    Arktos 2021

    454 pages on UFO’s and what this means for the future of earth humans.

    To begin with, Jorjani is an extremely bright guy and this book was worth reading. For me anyway. He identifies correctly many of the important issues on this topic. Near to zero false negatives. But he has a bias towards accepting many hypothetical physics fantasies and Silicon Valley futurist glossy brochure claims with a minimum of critical thought. False positives way out the wazoo. This leads him into la la land but he only has one awful style point so I am not going to be too hard on him. It must be almost impossible to go as far down the road to Dogmatic Materialism as he has traveled and realize far too late that one has a whole lot of back tracking to do.

    A partial list of his claims. Hopefully I have most of the biggies.

    The technological singularity advertised by Kurzweil et al is inevitable and getting here and now very soon.

    Profoundly significant alternative physics has been extant and concealed by rich powerful people since well before 1945.

    Multiple alien races are active geopolitical players. The signature of this is obvious to anybody with a sufficiently high IQ since 1945.

    (This is not a biggie but it is a small point which is at least worth mentioning. Psychometry tech guys seem to have never appreciated the fact, well known to many parents and most students, that a large fraction of the people who take tests are motivated only to get the odious chore over with and do not recognize much value in performing as well as you possibly can on the test. The usefulness of most tests is diminished by this basic fact. There are few practical applications to IQ test scores.)

    He fancies the nordics and the grays as significant alien races. He doesn’t do much with the mantids which are my personal favorite. : (

    His solar system contains alien spaceship bases on Mars, the Moon, and in the vast uncharted under waters of Earth.

    They don’t just do interplanetary -> interstellar -> intergalactic transport. They go through wormholes and forwards/backwards through time.

    The Akashic record is a thing. Quantum computers are a thing. The Breakaway Civilization is a thing. There are a lot of things going on in his presentation. I could go on and on about his casual treatment for what happens to be actual and factual, but I am going to stop here. I read the book two times and made 31 separate notations of stuff that is not going to hold together if somebody just takes a minute to stop reading and examine the logic of what the man has written here. I read it twice because there are a few bits worth pursuing and a few references that deserve more study. For an example of things that he does have correct, his claim that we are never going to get an honest disclosure regarding extant UFO data from the CIA is very very highly probably true. P ( that one ) > .999.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to get this.

    He suffers from a flaw that you see in academic training with obsessive footnoting. When you have a source (this is only one example–John Brandenberg Death on Mars; he does this at least ten times) and you have 3 or 4 footnotes per page from the same source for eight pages running, you are being rude to the reader. None of your readers care that you are being so careful. Most of them think you are being an ass.

    Enough. I kind of liked the book. I cannot recommend anybody else to read it.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @S
  13. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Near to zero false negatives. But he has a bias towards accepting many hypothetical physics fantasies and Silicon Valley futurist glossy brochure claims with a minimum of critical thought. False positives way out the wazoo.

    But at least that makes for an entertaining read. In the best case I suppose it reads as entertainingly as fiction while you also have the chance to stumble across something genuinely useful. Sometimes it’s handy to have guys thinking way out in left field even if the failure rate is high.

    Enough. I kind of liked the book. I cannot recommend anybody else to read it.

    LOL. I guarantee that I will not read the book, but your synopsis was quite worth the read. Thanks for taking the time.

  14. songbird says:
    @A123

    What if we got ahead of Erdogan and changed the name of the bird to “Türkiye?”

    • LOL: A123, Barbarossa
  15. https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/putins-winnin-weakness The Western Media use any excuse to portray Russia as weak and losing. Kherson was one. Then the S300 missile that landed in Poland. That story was as defective as the missile but spun as “Russia is responsible for EVERYTHING…” Oh, and it’s weak and losing.
    Sadly, that’s not happening. And as MacGregor says, there will be a major offensive. First degrade Western Ukraine’s infrastructure. Galician/ Ruthenian nationalists will flee to Poland and Germany where they will not be welcome. Western Ukraine will be depopulated. Then cut off supply routes to Poland and by air. Then destroy the UAF giving special attention to mercenary forces. Think Japan: 1945. Which suddenly became pro-American. Ukraine will suddenly become pro-Russian

    https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/putins-winnin-weakness

  16. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    Why would Russians shell their own infrastructure? It’s pretty daft accusation.

    Why do you continue to make such stupid statements? Zaporizhya is a part of Ukraine. The famous Ukrainian Zaporizhian Hoste was located on the Khortytsia island in Zaporizhya: They’ve recreated the fort and have a Ukrainian museum there. I’ve been there, trust me it’s a Ukrainian area.

    How dumb can you get kremlinstoogeA123?

    • Troll: QCIC, YetAnotherAnon
  17. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    His solar system contains alien spaceship bases on Mars, the Moon, and in the vast uncharted under waters of Earth.

    The premise is remindful of the old Gerry Anderson UFO TV series circa 1970, a somewhat entertaining show. 🙂

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  18. A123 says: • Website

    Meloni “Round 2” versus Macron: (1)

    VIDEO below [MORE]

    Italy 2 – 0 France: Meloni Crushes Macron Amid Migrant Crisis

    ITALY – Well their new PM Giorgia Meloni certainly doesn’t hold back does she?

    Here’s her take on Macron, after he called the Italians disgusting.

    She’s informed, she’s furious, and she’s laying it out to everyone, basically out-Martha Vineyard-ing even Ron DeSantis as she forced that ship to France.

    For the smug Eurochickens out there, starting with Emmanuel Macron of France, she’s gotten word out now that Italy’s not one to mess with these days, they’ve had it with being Europe’s punching bag on migrants. Expect the Europeans to adjust their expectations accordingly.

    As a major power in the EuroZone she has EPIC leverage. The EU can be deliver what was promised, A Union of Sovereign Equals. Or, the already fragile € common currency can be blown up by the Globalists as they flail against Christian Populism.

    Make Italy Great Again [MIGA]

    Trump’s style, punching back at the Open Borders Elites, works.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/italy-2-0-france-meloni-crushes-macron-amid-migrant-crisis

    [MORE]

  19. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    There seems to be quite a lot of criticism from human rights types though, this weaponizing of white man’s guilt narratives in service of a rather reactionary (and homophobic!) regime is too blatantly cynical.

    I think these terms like white supremacy, white guilt, colonialism etc. for the most part come out of the post-modern, post-colonial far left, which is a mash up of ethnic particularism and liberationism from the European radical tradition, it means that mostly they can’t be used effectively against progressives.

    It does sort of highlight how much this sort of thought is in appearance heavily indebted to white European males. One way I have seen blacks address this point is by claiming that due to their oppression blacks understood the relevant content of Marx, Hegel, Herder, Rousseau etc. before these authors wrote their works, or arrived at it independently of them.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  20. Coconuts says:

    Near perfect correlation between Whiteness and endorsing the glorification of Nazism, hehe.

    AK seems to be back on Twitter. Wasn’t he advocating Russia national regeneration through armed struggle and authoritarian leadership a while back?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  21. After all, the anniversary

  22. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    He’s promoted that “Russians are poc and part of an anticolonial movement” stuff for a while. I don’t think one can expect any intellectual coherence, at its core it’s just resentment that Russia doesn’t get the respect it supposedly deserves and isn’t a superpower anymore.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Beckow
  23. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …one can’t expect any intellectual coherence, at its core it’s just resentment that Russia doesn’t get the respect…

    For Russia you can substitute Poland, France, UK, China, any Third World country, even US, definitely Canada, and make exactly the same claim…nations’ self perceptions are complicated and prickly. One’s respect has an ever expanding definition. Look inward about how you feel about Germany.

    What matters more is the mistaken notion that Russia ‘is not a superpower‘. By any historical or strategic standard it is – that’s the fundamental problem for the aspiring global rulers in Washington-London. The West has tried to defeat Russia (many times), trick it, buy it, even simply declare ‘you are no superpower!’…none of it has worked.

    The reality staring at us today is that Russia has invaded a foreign country – a major, strategic Western ally and asset, took territory, destroyed infrastructure – there has not been any serious thing the West has done. Only a superpower could do that, e.g. US has done it previously. The silly notion that Russia is ‘not a superpower’ doesn’t mesh with what has happened. If you raise the bar high enough and focus on minutia, losses, setbacks, you can deny the superpower status to any country: US failed in all its recent imperial ventures, UK and Spain also during their heydays, as did Rome in Germany, Persia. It is the fact that they can do it that makes them a superpower, not the details.

  24. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    What matters more is the mistaken notion that Russia ‘is not a superpower‘.

    It clearly isn’t and it will never be again. It could of course still be an important country with a lot of potential, no doubt about that. But it can’t be the sort of imperial hegemon dominating a large part of Eurasia that Karlin and his ilk fantasize about.

    US failed in all its recent imperial ventures

    And Americans have mostly already forgotten about them, because in the end they didn’t really matter to them, and the US is still the most powerful country in the world. Whereas Russia’s prestige, economic prospects and military power have been much reduced by the Ukraine war, and if it continues to go as badly as it has done so far, it might even become an existential threat at least for Putin’s regime.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Beckow
  25. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    the fundamental problem for the aspiring global rulers in Washington-London.

    Not-The-President Biden? BoJo/Truss/Sunak/Who’s Next? Rulers? Surely you jest.

    The aspiring global rulers seeking a European SJW Empire are Scholz and Macron (Paris-Berlin). However, their dominance over other European countries is slipping badly.

    • Italy is openly defying French liberal authoritarianism. (1)
    • Poland is also challenging the European SJW Empire. (2)

    Meet Europe’s coming military superpower: Poland

    Warsaw is turning to major arms deals with South Korea to establish supremacy in Continental Europe.

    “The Polish army must be so powerful that it does not have to fight due to its strength alone,” Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on the eve of Poland’s independence day.

    It’s a shift that has resonated with Poland’s indispensable ally.

    “Poland has become our most important partner in continental Europe,” a senior U.S. Army official in Europe said, citing the crucial role Poland has played in supporting Ukraine and in shoring up NATO defenses in the Baltics.

    Poland signed a 23 billion złoty (€4.9 billion) deal for 250 Abrams tanks from the U.S. this spring — a quick replacement for the 240 Soviet-era tanks sent to Ukraine. Its air force is equipped with U.S. F-16s and in 2020 Warsaw signed a $4.6 billion deal for 32 F-35 fighters. But the focus of its recent military spend has been Korea, where it has signed a flurry of deals to buy tanks, aircraft and other arms.

    So far, Poland has ordered between $10 billion-$12 billion worth of weaponry from Korea, said Mariusz Cielma, editor and analyst at Nowa Technika Wojskowa, a military technology news and analysis website.

    Scholz and Macron personally own the mess in Ukraine, as well as other EU fiascos. Does humiliating those two make Putin head of a “Super Power”? That seems like a bit of an overstatement.

    Really though, the label does not matter much. What does are facts on the ground. Russia has gained vast swaths of territory. Kiev has no viable plan to assault Mariupol. Capturing Crimea is even more implausible.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-202/#comment-5669011

    (2) https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-military-superpower-poland-army/

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  26. @Beckow

    It is the fact that they can do it that makes them a superpower

    The fear that Russia inspires in the elites of the empire and its sidekicks is a clear indication that they see Russia as a superpower. Raging inflation throughout the West and severe energy crisis in Europe, both produced by silly attempts to isolate Russia, suggest the same thing.

    But there is a huge difference. Russia and China are different kind of superpowers. They do not do US-style “shock and awe” indiscriminately murdering countless civilians. This makes military gains slow. But this also makes them long lasting. The US failed to control Afghanistan and Iraq for the same reason that made its military victory fast: mass murder produced widespread hatred among the locals, so in the end occupiers had to withdraw. A wise superpower makes an effort to avoid near-universal hatred generated by mass murder of the locals.

    It appears that the people are ingrates, and their good treatment does not pay. In the long run it’s a mistake. Russia is now capitalizing on positive perception the USSR gained in Africa. Only because of that it is successfully squeezing France out of Africa: Central African Republic, then Mali, now Burkina Faso. This is unlikely to be the end.

    One of the things that causes the rage and fear of the elites in the US and among its puppets is that Russia and China are a new kind of superpowers. They are not murderous thugs, who only go for quick victory and loot. They build relationships that can last. The world is changing. Open banditry becomes less and less profitable. Naturally, the bandits resent that.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  27. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    US failed in all its recent imperial ventures

    And Americans have mostly already forgotten about them, because in the end they didn’t really matter to them

    What recent misadventures were truly imperial?

    • Afghanistan and Syria were police actions against specific threats, not an attempt to install imperial rule.

    • Iraq would probably have been better off as an American colonial protectorate. The fact that it was not added to an empire resulted in defective governance. Disarray and factionalism is so built up at this point that a partition seems necessary.

    The screwups have been epic in scope, scale, and other measures. However, they do not seem imperial.

    PEACE 😇

  28. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Arguing by assertion – “It clearly isn’t and it will never be again” – has limits, and you kind of reached them. I outlined to you what is in general a superpower, how you can recognize one in its behavior and how others react to it – or not react because they can’t.

    What Russia did to Ukraine is a prima facie superpower behavior, including the lame and slightly hysterical Western reaction. You focus too much on day-to-day minutia and miss the big strategic shift. I also think – others may disagree – that Russia is completely dominating both the battlefield and the coming escalations. It is their own region, they have the stuff to throw at it, unless they fail internally and choose to go for a compromise it is theirs to manage in almost any way they want.

    By the way, the Western strategists (the smarter ones) know it – that’s why they are trying to go for a save-the-face quick ‘victory’ and a settlement that would give Russia almost all they said they actually want: no Nato in Ukraine and separation-autonomy for the Russians who live in Ukraine.

    But let’s see how it evolves.

    • Agree: dogbumbreath
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  29. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Russia is now capitalizing on positive perception the USSR gained in Africa. Only because of that it is successfully squeezing France out of Africa: Central African Republic, then Mali, now Burkina Faso.

    Ok. Let’s hope Africans from those countries will immigrate to Russia then instead of France.

  30. @German_reader

    Let’s hope Africans from those countries will immigrate to Russia then instead of France.

    Russia is protected from immigrants coming out of warm countries by climate: it gets very cold there. There are Russian jokes about everything, including the cold. Question: what do Russians do while waiting for a bus at -40oC. Answer: men drink beer, kids eat ice cream.

    But take heart: as soon as Gulfstream stops, Europe will be protected by climate, as well. Not that the Europeans will be happy with the cold. But the Earth won’t ask them, like the empire doesn’t.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @A123
  31. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Russia is protected from immigrants coming out of warm countries by climate: it gets very cold there.

    There are Somalis in Finland.
    Russia has got lots of space, it needs to share it with its African brethren who are Russia’s friends in the struggle against Western imperialism. France is too racist, just think of the horrible things they did in Algeria. And Germany, well, only a question of time until it goes Nazi again. No, Russia needs to take in the migrants from Africa, in fact Russia should send ships to the Mediterranean and pick them up (and then maybe settle them in Crimea). It will be proof of Russia’s solidarity and magnaminity and win her many friends around the world, and with those assets the victory over the empire can’t be far off.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @dogbumbreath
  32. @German_reader

    Sarcasm is a good sign, it requires a sense of humor. I hope Germans still have it when the Gulfstream stops.

    There are Somalis in Finland.

    FYI, the parts of Finland, Sweden, and Norway where the people (locals and Somalis) live are a lot warmer than North Russia, not to mention Siberia or the Far East. Cold is the main reason why Chinese don’t want Siberia: they prefer to avoid extreme cold and just buy stuff that the Russians and other locals mine and log there.

    BTW, in the North of Russia grocery stores sell drinking-grade pure (96%) ethanol: when it’s -20 or -40oC outside, you don’t even get drunk, your body uses all ethanol to produce heat. When you come from the outside frozen to the bones, a glass (200 ml) of ethanol is the only thing that prevents catching cold.

  33. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I hope Germans still have it when the Gulfstream stops.

    Why are you now going on about the Gulfstream? Even if it happens, it’s not like one could do much about it.

    • Replies: @LatW
  34. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    GR and TN,

    Why not follow Meloni’s suggestion — Africans Staying In Africa!

    What is wrong with that concept? It seems perfectly sound to me.

    No migrants = No country accepting migrants.

       Workers win!
          Russian Christians win!
              European Christians win!
                Everybody wins!

    Except for Elite Globalists and SJW Multicultists. SADZ for them. Boo hoo.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  35. @A123

    I don’t see a whole lot of difference between the analyses of Ritter and Macgregor.

  36. Sean says:
    @A123

    It is an attempt by Ukraine to get a Western peacekeeping force sent to Zaporozhye. Kiev is scheming to bring America into conflict with Russia. It is a high risk strategy, but Ukraine thinks now the ground is frozen a Russian steamroller of bombardment allied to sufficient infantry will run over Ukrainian armies.

  37. songbird says:

    Don’t mean to be macabre, but is there really such a thing as a LGBT club? Since the place was called “Club Q” (whatever that means), I am going to suppose not.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  38. songbird says:

    What if we went back in time, and ran the decline of Western Civ experiment again? Changed nothing, except enforced Jucheism’s 15 approved haircuts for men, with an iron fist?

  39. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    There are parts of Russia where Afros could survive and not just the south or Crimea. Big cities shield people from the cold and St. Petersburg is not that different from Helsinki. The migrant tsunami starts when the culture collapses and the idiot yearning of liberal-business-feminist crowd reaches certain size – it can happen in Russia too.

    The German_reader is fooling himself, almost all Afros who make it to Russia-Ukraine would end up in Western Europe, just like the water flows downstream. They are lazy food-and-goodies craving young men, they will go where the society is the softest and handouts available.

    The Gulfstream stop may happen too late, if ever. This is a culture meltdown, the way to fix it is by having one’s own culture and not be apologetic – Meloni is a good sign, but the collapse goes on. At not so distant future it will be too late. Simple numbers.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  40. S says:
    @AnonfromTN

    BTW, in the North of Russia grocery stores sell drinking-grade pure (96%) ethanol: when it’s -20 or -40oC outside, you don’t even get drunk, your body uses all ethanol to produce heat.

    That’s funny. It’s believed that’s the very thing that saved the life of the Titanic’s chief baker, Charles Joughin.

    Just prior to going into the water (which was -2C (28F)) when the Titanic sank, Joughin had drank half a glass of liqueur. He stayed afloat treading water in the frigid open ocean for two to three hours, by which time most others in the water had long since died, before finally being picked up by a life boat.

    Joughin said he felt colder in the open boat than he had while almost entirely submerged in the water.

    No frost bite, just some swollen feet afterwards.

    The Incredible Story Of The Titanic’s Baker, Who Survived In The Frigid Water For Hours

    Thanks to a strong constitution and some liquid courage, Charles Joughin survived nearly three hours in the frigid North Atlantic.

    Although he [Joughin] was assigned as captain of Lifeboat 10, he did not board; it was already being crewed by two sailors and a steward. He went below after Lifeboat 10 had gone, and “had a drop of liqueur” (a tumbler half-full of liqueur, as he went on to specify) in his quarters.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/charles-joughin

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joughin

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  41. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    The German_reader is fooling himself

    It was meant as a joke, to mock AnonfromTN’s Soviet boomer-like belief that it’s somehow a big success for Russia if resentful Africans make pro-Russian noises. And while my immigration scenario may seem far-fetched now, I don’t think it’s completely impossible that Russia will feel herself forced to accept increasing numbers of African “students” and the like in an attempt to court influence with their countries (also send money down the African drain, like in the 1970s/1980s).
    There’ll be two billion Africans in 30 years, more than enough to flood both Western Europe and Russia.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Matra
  42. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    Why are you now going on about the Gulfstream?

    Because the Europeans haven’t yet frozen without the Russian gas. Surely they will when this Gulfstream thing happens. It’s just like the Yellowstone earthquake. It’s coming.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  43. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    There are certainly enough Africans for all of us :)…It is a half-joke – I take as such too most of the time – but it has a very serious side: the coming end of us.

    One counter-force to the pro-Russian noises in the Third World is that the insane anti-Russian propaganda demonizing them as racists and haters may keep some from going there – the migrating demographic is heavily skewed toward the woke-rainbow-liberal types in the Third World (they have the minimal means).

    They are coming anyway, hundreds of millions, next time there is a breach in the minimal border controls or any excuse. We will need to rebuild the castles :)…curry and rap, women yearning for alphas, wimpy game playing Euro guys, cheap business owners hating workers, self-doubt and greedy boomers: Europe has had a perfect storm.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  44. Beckow says:
    @LatW

    You don’t actually freeze, everyone just gets colder. Some are sick, others just very uncomfortable. Businesses close, factories limit production…that’s the way it works, no apocalypse, only a slow end with a whimper…do you think that’s a good thing? a victory?

    • Replies: @LatW
  45. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    One counter-force to the pro-Russian noises in the Third World is that the insane anti-Russian propaganda demonizing them as racists and haters may keep some from going there

    Germany is supposedly full of Nazis who are constantly brutalizing and murdering peaceful poc immigrants, and who have infiltrated the police (which is also shooting innocent immigrants just for fun, like in America) and the army where they’re creating death lists, and have their own Nazi party in parliament with AfD…and yet hundreds of thousands of immigrants from outside of Europe are still coming every year.

    the coming end of us.

    Yeah, for once I’m fully in agreement with you.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  46. LatW says:
    @Beckow

    do you think that’s a good thing?

    Of course, it is not a good thing at all! Yes, these are hardships that shouldn’t have been there (although you know very well that the inflation part is not as simple as it looks, it was long in the making, inflation would’ve risen even without the Russian invasion, that it’s been made worse is, of course, a huge negative). My point was that the Russian media thought that the Euros will literally freeze. Physically. And quickly. They even made fun of the Finns who were gathering logs, even though this is something that people have always done in this region.

    It’s hilarious how they’re now invoking this Gulfstream meme. It reminded me of their constant talk about the plate tectonics in Yellowstone that will eventually destroy the US.

    And, as to Russia and Africans, yes, they will absolutely go there, regardless of the cold weather (big parts of Russia are livable, especially the European parts), and regardless of their image as intolerant or whatever. They will appear once a certain level of GDP per capita is achieved and as soon as the legislation is adopted to facilitate this (allowing foreign students to work due to labor shortage, etc).

    It is also possible that the Chinese who are renting plots in Siberia (40-50 year long leases) will import Asian labor.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @LatW
  47. @A123

    Africans Staying In Africa!

    That’s Russian strategy: make life acceptable where people live, and they won’t risk a journey elsewhere.

    Besides, nobody in Russia gets freebies. If Europe did not give freebies to immigrants, nobody would go there. Europe is actively committing suicide in many ways. Current wave of “refugees” is the result of one of those ways. As one of Russian TV personalities said, “too bad for Europe, we’ll miss it”.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @LatW
  48. @S

    No frost bite, just some swollen feet afterwards.

    Yep, it works. Thousands of people living in very cold areas can attest to it.

  49. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    My point was that the Russian media thought that the Euros will literally freeze.

    That’s certainly pretty dumb, and I think in the long run Russians won’t feel like laughing and gloating anymore, but the energy crisis is real enough. Got informed about price rises by my energy supplier a few days ago…will jump from 26 cent/kwh to 44 cent/kwh. And of course lots of reports already that companies are closing down or re-locating. This will also affect the “Marshall plan” for Ukraine btw you were writing about in the last thread (bad analogy anyway, Marshall plan wasn’t totally insignificant, but its importance can be exaggerated), when the EU core is in recession and subject to de-industrialization, good luck with that.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  50. LatW says:
    @LatW

    My point was that the Russian media thought that the Euros will literally freeze. Physically. And quickly.

    To be fair to them, it’s not entirely irrational or stupid. Maybe they have memories about how Reagan crushed the USSR – it wasn’t done with armed forces, but by manipulating the oil price. The Russians might be trying to replicate that maneuver in their own way.

  51. @songbird

    According to the literature there’s a million gay male sodomy clubs.

    Every city has one posh and a small handful (<<10) of lesbian bars.

    Lesbians and gays socialize if and only if they have butt loads of money strictly for networking purposes–lesbians do not like men, not even gay men. The only females who like gay men are spinsters and dowagers and spinsters-to-be.

    I have never read about a QWERTY bar. Maybe that's why they are all so pissed off all the time.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Mikel
  52. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Sure, but the Afros don’t believe it about Germany…it is easier to believe that stuff about a remote slightly obscure Russia. The preparation by movies with scary narratives has been ongoing for generations. It may actually stick with many of them.

  53. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    That’s Russian strategy: make life acceptable where people live, and they won’t risk a journey elsewhere.

    It doesn’t appear that this strategy worked for you. You traded it all in for science ($$) and a dull life somewhere in Tennessee. 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  54. @Mr. Hack

    It doesn’t appear that this strategy worked for you.

    FYI, my requirements apply to maybe 0.1% of the population. Besides, I left dying USSR in 1991, the RF did not exist at the time. Although the science in my field in the RF is still not top-notch, the US science is going down, too. Unfortunately, at accelerating rate. If I had to make a choice today, I’d either stay put or move to Singapore.

  55. LatW says:

    That’s certainly pretty dumb, and I think in the long run Russians won’t feel like laughing and gloating anymore, but the energy crisis is real enough.

    They are sometimes isolated from the European information space (many don’t read English or even French or German) and some of them travel very little, so they can have those kinds of assumptions. It is a bit similar to Americans who are similarly isolated and not that informed or indifferent about other societies (no judgement there for either of those nations, it’s just a fact that it determined by their vast geography, these nations could perfectly exist without anyone else, if they wanted to).

    [MORE]

    Got informed about price rises by my energy supplier a few days ago…

    I know, it’s very serious (many of us have seen shocking bills). I hope the elderly and the children are ok. This could be treated as a war like situation, unfortunately.

    My point was more that they thought there wouldn’t be any resilience at all. They have made these sweeping statements about many things (“Ukrainians are all ruled by the hunta and will come to our side as soon as they are liberated”, etc). The Gulfstream meme most likely is coming from that same type of thinking.

    It’s a weakness actually. They’re lucky that not all of their weaknesses are being exploited, because not enough global players care or care enough.

    “Marshall plan” for Ukraine

    This is still quite hypothetical, and, of course, these economic hardships do not help. But I think it is too early to say there is no money. There is money out there, I think a bigger issue is where to invest the money wisely long term. We saw how quickly for instance the tech bubble burst this year, if it wasn’t for the war, Ukraine would actually be a somewhat decent place for money to go to. Also, this hypothetical Marshall Plan would come not just from Europe, but possibly other global players, too. Who knows, maybe even China.

    Btw, in the above video, this McGregor guy is saying that Germany will de-industrialize by 20-30%. That’s a little exaggerated, imo. It’s crazy to throw such numbers around. Granted, imo, Germany de-industrializing even by 1% or 0.1% is a negative.

    In that same video, he’s also saying that Ukrainian troops are not firing the HIMARS but only Americans who have arrived on the frontlines are doing that, that sounds like some major BS to me. There are most likely instructors there, but that kind of a statement just sounds dubious.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @A123
  56. LatW says:
    @AnonfromTN

    That’s Russian strategy: make life acceptable where people live, and they won’t risk a journey elsewhere.

    That’s what Meloni was just arguing, although not fully sure about her motivation there. Africa is developing, there are some decent businesses there now. The issue is that there are so many of them and that the countries are so diverse, is that enough of them can make their way to Europe or Russia.

    Besides, nobody in Russia gets freebies.

    This will not save you. Yes, there are tons of freeloaders, but there are also those who do work. Or the father works and then has several more children. The Somalis, for instance, will favor their group and give each other jobs, in the West Somali men work as cab drivers (and some of their younger women are hookers). They can live off of a cash economy. Granted, Russia will probably receive more migrants from Asia and they are very different than the low level Africans that the Euros keep getting. But not all Russians like that either.

  57. songbird says:

    Has anyone been to one of these dual language tube stations in London?

    Whitechapel has Bengali. Southall has Punjabi.

  58. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    Btw, in the above video, this McGregor guy is saying that Germany will de-industrialize by 20-30%.

    I don’t watch or read anything by McGregor, he doesn’t seem to be a credible source. Very strange, I wonder what’s his motivation.

    • Replies: @A123
  59. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW

    Americans who are similarly isolated and not that informed or indifferent about other societies (no judgement there for either of those nations, it’s just a fact that it determined by their vast geography

    Historically, U.S. Passports have only been held by 25-30% of citizens. Recently, that surged to over 40% due to Canada and Mexico transit requiring the document. 30 years ago you could easily cross into Windsor with only a driver’s license.

    Trump’s first act should be disbanding the entire Homeland Security fiasco…

    PEACE 😇

  60. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    The Balts are objectively pro-Mongol.

  61. Wokechoke says:

    https://zoom.earth/maps/temperature/

    Very Balmy Crimea, Rostov and Donetsk. Kiev, Sumy, Vinnitssia, Zhitomir and Cherniev frozen solid.

  62. Beckow says:

    The sky is falling in Russia :)…

    Media mostly writes nonsense, I would not take it too seriously. They all high-light improbable bad things about the enemy, Europeans do it, Finns do it, and Russians do it too. Russia will do fine, maybe that’s what really bothers you and some others here.

    Schadenfreude is an ugly thing. But it is so tempting, isn’t it?

  63. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Btw, in the above video, this McGregor guy is saying that Germany will de-industrialize by 20-30%.

    Does anyone have the specific time within which video where that came from?

    It might make sense in context. As a one liner it is a bit eyebrow raising.

    I don’t watch or read anything by McGregor, he doesn’t seem to be a credible source. Very strange, I wonder what’s his motivation.

    When he talking within his expertise, military strategy and tactics, his analysis is sound. That does not mean it is 100% perfect future view. He does out perform others.

    Industrial, country scale, economics is not Macgregor’s expertise. Germany is taking big shots with energy intensive industry shutting down. Heavy industry needed for military production is a limited slice of “industry” generally.

    PEACE 😇

  64. LatW says:

    Does anyone have the specific time within which video where that came from?

    In the first video, starting at 18:00, after he is asked about the European unity when it comes to supporting Ukraine, he starts talking about Germany, and says: “Germany’s economy is expected to contract 20-30% as a result of the sanctions that have been imposed and the lack of access to natural gas and oil from Russia.” (Actually, I misquoted him (apologies for that), it turns out he said something even crazier than what I misheard him say.)

    Then there is more nonsense about how it might seem for other Europeans that the deindustrialization of Germany might be a “good thing, but it’s not”, which is not how most Europeans think. Which Europeans think this? Certainly not Northern Europeans and not Visegrad, who rely on trade with Germany.

    When it comes to some of the Ukrainian casualty numbers he’s mentioning, first, the casualty numbers will not be given out right now, so I wonder about his sources. Second, his casualty ratios do not match what some of the men on the ground mention occasionally in their interviews on the Ukrainian TV as well as what is occasionally seen on social networks. There are no accurate numbers for this available so it’s puzzling how he can mention these with such confidence. So not sure I’d dedicate too much time listening to this guy.

    I also would like to have things clarified about the HIMARS. Many of the Ukrainian troops are highly competent (they have a serious school of artillery) and it is offensive to hear that they are unable to operate the HIMARS.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Yevardian
  65. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    when the Gulfstream stops

    when it’s -20 or -40oC outside, you don’t even get drunk, your body uses all ethanol to produce heat

    There you go again.

    For a scientist, you’re very prone to making outlandish statements.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream#Gulf_Stream_Collapse
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/497899/

    I’m not a scientist but I’ve been a weather nut all my life and, as a mountaineer, I know quite a few things about combating extreme cold. Unfortunately, alcoholic beverages (let alone 96% ethanol) only make matters worse, regardless of the initial euphoria.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  66. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW

    I also would like to have things clarified about the HIMARS. Many of the Ukrainian troops are highly competent (they have a serious school of artillery) and it is offensive to hear that they are unable to operate the HIMARS.

    The issue is that HIMARS is badly mislabeled. Artillery = tubes & shells. Mortars are a very effective form of short range artillery.

    HIMARS is (at best) “Tomahawk Lite”. It is a highly technical long range missile system. In terms of operator complexity, the Russian S400 would be a good parallel. Many months are required. It is doubtful that the Syrians can run their S300 half regiment after 9-12 months of training.

    France’s contribution of Ceasar Self Propelled units is a handover over artillery. Fundamentally is is still tube & shell. That is a training cycle in weeks.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
  67. @Mikel

    I don’t know about mountaineers, but I know people who live in the Far North, where winter temperatures plunge to -30oC to -40oC. They consider -20oC a warm weather. I’ve got already spoiled by the life in the US, consider anything below -10oC very cold.

    People drink 96% ethanol AFTER being outdoors, when they feel freezing. This may or may not be important: they drink it after returning to the warmth of their home. In this case it does not cause any euphoria at all. They report no feeling of drunkenness, only the feeling of warmth spreading through the body. They do not catch cold, even though they often get chilled. Those who lived through that kind of winter say that they think they won’t survive w/o ethanol.

    BTW, everything you find in wiki is suspect, could be a deliberate or inadvertent lie. The same goes for published papers you find in PubMed (I don’t admit that lightly, as my papers are also in PubMed). As I tell my students, not everything published is true and not everything true is published.

    • Disagree: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
  68. Mikel says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The only females who like gay men are spinsters and dowagers and spinsters-to-be.

    Totally wrong in my experience. I’ve met lots of women in different parts of the world who liked gay men in their own way. As one of them once told me ‘they talk to you about clothes and kiss you in the lips, what’s not to like?’ My wife also finds effeminate gays funny and relatable, inoffensive men that behave like women and have female interests like her own.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  69. Yevardian says:
    @LatW

    In the first video, starting at 18:00, after he is asked about the European unity when it comes to supporting Ukraine, he starts talking about Germany, and says: “Germany’s economy is expected to contract 20-30% as a result of the sanctions that have been imposed and the lack of access to natural gas and oil from Russia.” (Actually, I misquoted him (apologies for that), it turns out he said something even crazier than what I misheard him say.)

    Well, admittedly I didn’t bother watching the video, it just looks totally non-credible to me that an American general would be far more positive on Russia’s war performance than you know, actual Russians or Ukrainians on the side of the SMO like Podolyaka, Strelkov or even Karlin. Did this guy claim the Kiev offensive was a ‘feint’ as well? “Desert Storm 2.0!”

    Considering the US either commited itself, or sanctioned a third party to blow up the Nordstream pipeline, I don’t see why the contraction of the German economy should be of any concern to either Ukrainians or the Americans. I’d consider anybody attempting to argue the Russians blew up their own pipelines in the same ballpark as those arguing Kiev was a feint, too hopelessly partisan in their biases to take seriously.
    The vast majority of military aid to Ukraine has come from the United States at negligible cost to itself, whilst the Europeans get to pay the economic cost.

    Then there is more nonsense about how it might seem for other Europeans that the deindustrialization of Germany might be a “good thing, but it’s not”, which is not how most Europeans think. Which Europeans think this? Certainly not Northern Europeans and not Visegrad, who rely on trade with Germany.

    No, but there has already been talk of company or skilled labour relocation to the US.

    • Replies: @Matra
    , @Wokechoke
  70. @Mikel

    As one of them once told me ‘they talk to you about clothes and kiss you in the lips, what’s not to like?’

    I could make a very long list. But this would take time AND probably nobody would be interested in reading it. The closet is not going away any time soon. All sodomites in the NFL, NBA, and MLB are securely barricaded in there for the foreseeable future.

    Are there any uncloseted male soccer pros? There are closeted figure skaters for crying out loud.

    By the way there is a missing “working-class” in my first comment up there that I failed to proof read and find.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  71. @AnonfromTN

    That’s not the main reason, vast swath of northern China is about the same climate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Köppen_climate_classification

    The main reason is the three Manchurian provinces, Heilongjiang, Jilin, Liaoning are all relatively underdeveloped. They can’t really absorb further territory,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita

    Some PRC nationalists keep a long list of Qing territories annexed by Russia/Soviets, but that’s neither here nor there, those “Chinese” territory belonged to the Manchu-Mongol elites not Han,
    https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/沙俄和苏联割占中国领土列表

    Awesome travelogue by the way.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  72. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    You may be right. In my experience (two faculty, four post-docs, two graduate students, and one undergrad; hardly a representative sample), the majority of Han Chinese lives in warmer climates. They consider Inner Mongolia and Manchuria very cold.

  73. Matra says:
    @Yevardian

    Did this guy claim the Kiev offensive was a ‘feint’ as well? “Desert Storm 2.0!”

    I remember McGregor saying back around April that the Kiev operation was to tie down Ukrainian troops near the capital so they wouldn’t be available in the Donbass and that it may also have a reconnaissance mission to see how far they could get. Before then, maybe two or three weeks into the war, he said the war is all but over as the Ukrainian forces had been mostly obliterated, or words to that effect. Those who support the Russian narrative quote him as often as pro-Ukrainians quote Ben Hodges and Peter Zeihan, and like them he’s way too confident in his assertions and predictions.

  74. Matra says:
    @German_reader

    It was meant as a joke, to mock AnonfromTN’s Soviet boomer-like belief that it’s somehow a big success for Russia if resentful Africans make pro-Russian noises

    In the last two months I’ve noticed lots of young pro-Russians (mostly Russian, Serbian, and few outspoken Slovaks) engaging in all-out boomer-bashing of the kind we normally see in the Anglo Dissident Rightosphere. Unlike pro-Russia Anglos who think the war’s going great (!) these Slavs are frustrated and bitter towards Putin and the people around him not just for the way the war has gone but for the Kremlin’s PR which they think is stuck in Soviet times. We seem to have a worldwide boomer problem.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  75. songbird says:

    Did the Taiwanese president really tweet to mourn Biden’s dog?

  76. Wokechoke says:
    @Yevardian

    The thing is, all military operations do contain feints of one sort or another. There’s always some bluff.

    The issue on Kiev was that there was an attempted Coup de Main on the Kiev Regime, which failed followed by that weird column of 40 miles with trucks that simply vanished. That was certainly some kind of distraction.

    What does it matter now that Russia mobilized?

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @LondonBob
  77. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I know people who live in the Far North, where winter temperatures plunge to -30oC to -40oC

    The temperature outside matters very little. What matters is your body temperature and fighting hypothermia is not exactly a secret science. Hospitals around the world (including Russia) have well established protocols and none of them include making patients ingest pure ethanol. Those people you talk about trying to poison themselves after being in the cold must obviously be conscious so they should rather try the old method of a good warm bath instead.

    On the other hand, if you really need some sort of high after exposure to the elements what I would recommend is a CBD bath bomb, available on the internet. It’s becoming increasingly popular among outdoor sports people. Makes you sweat, relax and calm any pains.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  78. LatW says:
    @A123

    HIMARS is (at best) “Tomahawk Lite”. It is a highly technical long range missile system. In terms of operator complexity, the Russian S400 would be a good parallel. Many months are required. It is doubtful that the Syrians can run their S300 half regiment after 9-12 months of training.

    Ok, thanks for those details, but I’m pretty sure the Ukrainians are operating this system themselves. They had already been in training for a while in the summer. No offense to Syrians, but Ukrainians are more technically savvy than Syrians. This isn’t going to be advertised much (for obvious reasons), but I did find a couple of videos where one can see Ukrainians operating HIMARS. They are out there by themselves.

    [MORE]

    Starts at 0:20

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @A123
  79. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Dude, you must surely hold the record on this site for totally missing the point, the amount of bizarre non sequiturs you post.

    Anyone who has been out and about at any point over the last, oh, fifty years knows it’s as obvious as the sun that plenty of women besides spinsters and “dowagers” enjoy the company of fags. I don’t know what in the world would possess someone to pretend otherwise.

    By the way there is a missing “working-class” in my first comment up there that I failed to proof read and find.

    So why not go ahead and insert it now? (I’m supremely doubtful it’ll save your “argument,” but let’s see.)

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  80. @Matra

    Where have you noticed this, on twitter?

    As for AK, he’s not dooming that badly yet. He’s still assigning a greater than 50% subjective probability to a positive outcome.

    Anyone watching the World Cup? Useless Argies, going down to a pack of sandnigs (Yahya beaming). Disgraceful. O tempora o mores.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    , @Matra
    , @LondonBob
  81. @Coconuts

    Cecil Rhodes didn’t think all white men were created equal. Yeah the same guy Rhodesia and Rhodes scholarships were named after. He firmly stated and believed Anglo Saxons were above all other white men. Northern Europeans looked down on Southern. Western Europeans looked down on Eastern. So when did all this white solidarity happen???

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  82. Mr. Hack says:
    @LatW

    Don’t worry too much about kremlintoogeA123’s most recent military information. He’s been unable to see the forest for the trees for a long time now. He’s too busy building bridges between the MAGA movement and the kremlin to see things straight anymore!

  83. @A123

    Even more ironic is the items Poland is buying from South Korea is because those systems are better and cheaper than the comparable US equipment. People don’t even see the reality of the global shift. Yes South Korea is a U.S. ally – but it’s not the US. 30 years ago Poland wouldn’t have been buying from South Korea. Meanwhile their brothers across the border – North Koreans – just openly displayed missiles that can now hit every part of the U.S. Only a handful of nations had such missiles of such range. Its a changed world.

    • Replies: @A123
  84. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikel

    Years of alcohol abuse seem to have critically damaged the good Professor’s ameliorative powers:

    Effects of alcohol and ethanol on the brain. 🙂

  85. @German_reader

    Well here is the problem with your thinking. With Russia and China actually helping those countries to develop they have less need to migrate. The most African students in the world study in China – not the west. But the overwhelming majority go back to their home nations. Again like the previous writer noted “different types of superpowers”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Coconuts
  86. Yahya says:
    @silviosilver

    Useless Argies, going down to a pack of sandnigs (Yahya beaming).

    Yahya is not beaming. He could care less about his people kicking a ball around better than some other people. That stopped at about the time he started reading books at age 17-18.

    Yahya would prefer if Arabians spent more time on worthier cultural activities such as music, cinema, and literature; such that they produce their own version of Jorge Luis Borges or Astor Piazolla. As it stands Arabians have no significant cultural achievements of their own, outside Islam, if that even counts as an achievement. All this oil money gone to waste; Allah should have given it to Maghrebis, Egyptians or Levantines.

  87. Coconuts says:
    @showmethereal

    So when did all this white solidarity happen???

    Afaik it comes from the US mainly where there was a legal category of ‘white’ which came to include all Europeans (and some latinos, people from the Middle East etc.)

    Progressives have done a lot to propagate it and spread it outside the US. Speaking of Rhodes, there might have been something similar in South Africa.

    • Replies: @songbird
  88. @German_reader

    There seems to be quite a lot of criticism from human rights types though, this weaponizing of white man’s guilt narratives in service of a rather reactionary (and homophobic!) regime is too blatantly cynical.

    I don’t doubt that it’s cynical (I hope it’s merely cynical, at least). But too blatantly cynical for what exactly? Certainly it’s not too blatantly cynical to be called out. Who, apart from the “far right”, will call it out? Which mainstream figure would have the balls to even correct the ludicrous notion that the white man has been injuring the rest of the world for three freakin thousand years? Totally overlooking the fact that he only gained dominion over it in the last couple of hundred, only made it contact with it 500 years ago, and had spent the previous thousand more or less getting his butt kicked by it. Normiefags would rather lose an arm than point any of this out, even though not a single bit of it can be termed ‘racist’ – not even by absurdly biased contemporary definitions of that term. (Then again, I guess it spoils the fun to focus too intently on the letter of the law, totally neglecting its spirit.)

    As for having to apologize for the next three thousand, there’s even less chance that would be challenged. If anything, people are more likely to claim that three thousand isn’t enough. Whites need to apologize for the next ten thousand, hundred thousand, or as long the sun continues to shine. (Shades of christcuck “reasoning” here, in which it’s considered perfectly possible to do something that is so horrific during your three score and ten that God is perfectly justified in torturing you for the rest of eternity for it. Eternity – 500 trillion years and you’re just getting warmed up. Perfectly just.)

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  89. @Mikel

    On the other hand, if you really need some sort of high after exposure to the elements what I would recommend is a CBD bath bomb, available on the internet. It’s becoming increasingly popular among outdoor sports people. Makes you sweat, relax and calm any pains.

    Now this is why the comments section is the best part of the internet.

    I have a friend with 3 cats and 2 dogs and their hack for chills is sleeping with the animals on the bed. Yikes. Dogs are great but they eat shit.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @dogbumbreath
  90. @Yahya

    That stopped at about the time he started reading books at age 17-18.

    You really weren’t much of a reader before that?

    I used to be a huge soccer fan, but I find it intolerably boring nowadays. I’ll probably watch a game or two, or maybe just the last 20 minutes of a couple. The results don’t really interest me either, but I would definitely consider it a massive disappointment if an African team won it (well, that’s already happened, in a sense, but I mean a 100% Afro team from an African country).

    Sport is more than mere frivolity though. Sport is a mark of civilization – of the kind of civilization I prefer, anyway. It teaches participants the value of a long-term outlook and helps ingrain habits of preparation, training, coping with and overcoming adversity, self-improvement, ultimately enabling them to enjoy the fruits of their efforts. I would rather have youth devoting its time to mastering the art of “kicking a ball around” than loitering on street corners, harassing civilians, consuming drugs and porn, worshiping trashy celebrities and wasting their lives in a myriad other short-term pursuits. They can’t all be scholars and artists, after all.

    • Agree: LatW
  91. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW

    Ok, thanks for those details, but I’m pretty sure the Ukrainians are operating this system themselves. They had already been in training for a while in the summer

    No doubt that Ukrainians are maintaining the vehicle, loading missile boxes, etc. These are not trivial jobs. If the solid fuel starts and the missile does not depart the launcher… Very bad.

    The question I was getting at is, “Who is setting up the actual missile flight/target plan?”

    This does not even have to be done on site. The mission planning is likely created elsewhere and then sent electronically to the launcher.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
  92. A123 says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    Even more ironic is the items Poland is buying from South Korea is because those systems are better and cheaper than the comparable US equipment. People don’t even see the reality of the global shift

    Certainly the U.S. MIC produces overpriced goods based on what they can extract from the Pentagon. Cheaper SK gear is certainly reasonable. That being said they are also buying systems from the U.S. in addition to SK.

    The suppliers intentionally omitted are France and Germany. The Poles believe that supply lines via SJW European countries are a liability. While they have similar concerns about Not-The-President Biden, the Poles are hoping for more MAGA victories.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  93. @A123

    From everything I have read the South Korean tanks are more capable than US M1A1 Abrams

    • Replies: @A123
  94. @S

    Those are fiction. Jorjani purports to be representing fact.

    He is not alone. If you like video check out Frank Tipler, professor of mathematics at Tulane U. from 58:00 -> 59:30 in Age of Deceit 2.

    When this came out in 2012 or whenever (I don’t remember what year I first saw it) I thought it was way overkill but I watched again a few weeks ago and it has held up OK. Three hours is far too long but it’s filled with more repetition than it it’s filled with stuffing.

    • Thanks: S
  95. Yahya says:
    @silviosilver

    You really weren’t much of a reader before that?

    No. Hardly anyone, not least my family and friends, around me read any books growing up (this remains true today, sadly). My intellectual exertion at a young age was limited to figuring out how to master video games. Also, by some happenstance, I happened to fall in with the “cool” crowd from an early age (who are still my close friends; one of the positive aspects of Arab culture is that people move around rarely so friends stay for life) instead of the nerdy bookish types. In retrospect the latter probably would have been a better fit for my introverted personality, but i’m happy with the course I took. Sometimes the nerds can be too nerdy even for me (I had zero interest in comic books or the like). Also, some of the “cool” kids can be thoughtful interesting people, even if they don’t read much or engage in intellectual activities.

    Totally overlooking the fact that he only gained dominion over it in the last couple of hundred, only made it contact with it 500 years ago, and had spent the previous thousand more or less getting his butt kicked by it.

    I think the FIFA president had the Roman and Greek conquests of MENA in mind when he made that statement. To me it’s ridiculous to retrospectively attach the label “European” to Romans and Greeks, and pretend their conquests were of the same lineage as France’s or Great Britain’s. But there’s certainly plenty of modern Westerners on both the left and right (including the ahistorical moron who brought this topic up) who like to pretend as if Greeks and Romans belonged to the same group as present-day Celts or Anglo-Saxons.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  96. @Yahya

    such that they produce their own version of Jorge Luis Borges or Astor Piazolla.

    Are you actually a tango fan? I got into it for a while. Of the ‘big names’, I think preferred that Carlos Gardel dude’s songs to Piazzolla’s. Much of a muchness though. Nowadays, it’s like Arab music to me: I think it’s good, but I can only take so much before it starts sounding samey and wears me out. (I can take tango for a lot longer than Arab music though.) The dance itself is sexy as hell. It’s hard to believe they generate those moves spontaneously, I’m half convinced the stuff I see in videos is all choreographed.

    Have you seen the 1998 movie Tango by Carlos Saura? I would be interested to hear your thoughts, if you have. I greatly enjoyed it, even though I have a hard time saying why exactly. It could just be that Argentina has always been my favorite Latin American country. Not for reasons that you might think (“it’s so European”), but because that’s where most of my extended family lives. I have never met them or even seen photographs, but relying on my mother’s memory (and her sister’s, before she died), I have been able to construct something of a family tree. There are a lot of them there and I have thought about contacting some “immigrant heritage” organization in Argentina to see if I can’t establish contact.

    One thing I always envied (to a degree, still do) about my Arab friends was the strength of their extended family ties. That is far from unknown among balkanoids, of course, but in my own family we have tended to be distant from each other. I have first cousins who grew up in Detroit while I was growing up in Australia, and we’d heard about each other and spoken on the phone, but when I arrived in America, we had one meeting (one!) and that was that. Partly my fault for never following up, but when a guest arrives from overseas, if the host shows lackluster enthusiasm (almost frosty, actually), I think they deserve the lion’s share of the blame. My cousins in Australia have mostly married into Anglo (or Irish, whatever) families, which I experienced as a massive loss and, frankly, viewed them as ‘traitors’, in the sense that it totally killed the vibe of family get-togethers I was used to as a kid, to the point that today we take no interest in each other’s lives at all, and years go by between seeing each other (the “weddings and funerals” pattern). I have no qualms at all saying I wish they had married Arabs instead. (So, yeah, I may be a ‘racist,’ but not the kind or to the degree you think.)

    • Replies: @Yahya
  97. @Yahya

    Actually you have to have fairly high intelligence to be good at football. In a fluid game with constant changes – it requires not just intelligence – but also patience and concentration. Our athleticism does not win a football match. Beating Argentina is actually a huge accomplishment

  98. @silviosilver

    Yeah the joke indeed is that the French team who won is indeed and African team. Much to the chagrin of older French. But hey if they don’t like it they can always donate the trophy and prize money to their former French colonies

  99. @Mikel

    I described what people used since times immemorial, ages before Internet. They don’t look for highs, they only want to get warm and experience no adverse consequences of exposure to the cold. If you don’t believe it, talk to someone who lived in the Far North (as a resident, not as a tourist).

  100. Matra says:
    @silviosilver

    Mostly Twitter, but also a couple of forums. Not this one though as it has thinned out since AK left. Maybe if Russia were performing better the Russians and few Serbs who used to comment here would come back to brag.

    The supposedly temporary Covid rule at last year’s European championships allowing more substitutes has been made permanent. Allowing five subs represents the kind of Americanisation that Steve Sailer has long advocated. How can it be a team effort if half the players that finish didn’t start the match? It also fundamentally changes the game. The England v Iran match yesterday had 14 minutes of time added at the end of the first half. There were 8 minutes added to the end of another match. Trying to get a more exact ‘time clock’ may also indicate creeping Americanisation. Maybe those drink breaks they had during hot days will turn into time-outs in the future.

  101. @showmethereal

    Flopping with conviction requires major street smarts.

    People totally misunderestimate Kobe Bryant and James Harden.

  102. Matra says:

    This is not a bad bit of trolling from the Russians.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  103. Beckow says:
    @showmethereal

    Each instance of a super-power is different, but the migration urge is always the same. The Third Worlders migrating to Europe-US, or possibly Russia (I doubt it), are not settlers. They are seeking the easiest way to live better – an instinct based on self-interest, laziness and a calculation that moving to where the stuff is beats trying to create it at home.

    No amount of development will stop it and more integration only speeds it up. It mainly affects young males and usually the ones with some resources – the pathetic equivalent of middle and lower middle classes in the Third World. The only way to stop it is to simply stop it – no rules, no excuses, no back doors, no discussion. Or it will overwhelm what is left of the West. A simple choice that the people are unwilling to make, or often even see. There is really nothing scarier for what’s left of our culture than the ‘African students‘, whatever that term encompasses.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  104. @Matra

    That was not the first “request” from Ukraine to join NATO. Ukies downed Romanian fighter jet. The pilot was killed. Then they downed Romanian helicopter that searched for that missing jet. The crew was killed. Then Ukrainian drone (ancient, USSR-made) flew over several NATO countries and fell out of the sky in Zagreb, Croatia. So, hitting a tractor and killing two Poles is only the cherry on the cake.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  105. Coconuts says:
    @Yahya

    To me it’s ridiculous to retrospectively attach the label “European” to Romans and Greeks, and pretend their conquests were of the same lineage as France’s or Great Britain’s.

    Is that because the conquests of France and Britain mostly happened under liberalism? The lineage of the political ideas that underpinned the conquests by Spain and Portugal does appear to go back to the Roman Empire, even if it is the later Christian version.

    The French speak a romance language and were heavily settled by Latin colonists (and Greek colonists in parts of the south) and some of them still learn Latin and Greek. I guess this is one reason some of them continue to identify with Greece and Rome.

    Greeks and Romans belonged to the same group as present-day Celts

    Iirc the Celtic groups and the Italic group the original Romans were part of were branches of the same Indo-European group. Bashibuzuk who used to post would probably know more about this.

  106. A123 says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    From everything I have read the South Korean tanks are more capable than US M1A1 Abrams

    A better comparison would be U.S. M1A2 SEPv3 ($6.5MM) versus SK K2 ($8.5MM). Poland is buying both. The K2 needs 3 crew rather than 4. And, the K2 main gun package is a full auto loader which is faster.

    Is it $2MM/each better? Only time will tell.

    PEACE 😇

  107. Coconuts says:
    @silviosilver

    Shades of christcuck “reasoning” here, in which it’s considered perfectly possible to do something that is so horrific during your three score and ten that God is perfectly justified in torturing you for the rest of eternity for it. Eternity – 500 trillion years and you’re just getting warmed up. Perfectly just.

    The original Christian version had a tendency to see the gap between God and humans as so vast that justice could not govern the relations between God and man. Statements about God’s justice relate to God keeping his word and doing things he previously promised. From this perspective humans would have no right to demand that God allows them to enter heaven or fails to exile them away from his presence if he wants.

    Later people started to think that giving God this level of unaccountable sovereignty and absolute power was harmful to human dignity, so God had to be seen more as a kind of auxiliary to human moral reasoning. Guys like Feuerbach and Fichte decided God was a sort of projection of human needs and desires that were destined to be satisfied by human society.

    Imo it is the secularised humanist tradition the grievances against whites are part of, not the older God as transcendent absolute monarch one.

    I think it’s possible these sensationalist grievances will just start to die out in a couple of decades, as whites are weakened and reduced in numbers enough for them to cease generating as much usable political capital.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @silviosilver
  108. songbird says:

    I very much wish that I could find a map of the countries that add improbable sound effects to their comedies and those that don’t. (Such as to accompany people making different motions)

    My conceptions of such areas are only the vaguest. But I get the idea that both China and SK add improbable sound effects, at least in certain cases, which I find surprising.

  109. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …hitting a tractor and killing two Poles…

    When you hit a tractor you often kill some Poles, that’s the way it works in Eastern Europe, an anadiplosis. Another repeating pattern is the uncontrolled fury of resentful Galicians as they realize that the gig is up, that they lost again. That one is still coming.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  110. Beckow says:
    @Coconuts

    …grievances will just start to die out in a couple of decades, as whites are weakened and reduced in numbers enough

    It never works that way. It will more likely be to the last scrap of whiteness that can be located, it must be exterminated because it reminds the others how inadequate they are. And most of the really nasty stuff will be done by the whites to themselves – that one I can’t explain, and no God could explain it.

    As you weaken the whites they will simply be more vulnerable. I watched Georgina scream against Macron, a beautiful performance. But it struck me that it was basically an extreme defensiveness with a hint of hysteria, you don’t win that way. Offering explanations, thinking that a better argument actually changes something, the pleading female voice – that is a road to nowhere.

    There is no justice in the universe or nature, buying into the silly concept of who is more just, more deserving, means that you have already lost. More power to Georgina Meloni, but she could be a latter-day distraction. There is a pathological self-destructive gene that the whites seem to carry and it has exploded in numbers as they ceased to propagate.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Coconuts
  111. LatW says:
    @A123

    The question I was getting at is, “Who is setting up the actual missile flight/target plan?”

    What proof do you have that it is not the Ukrainians themselves? Where is this assumption coming from?

    • Replies: @A123
  112. @Coconuts

    I know the routine, God’s love is not the same thing as man’s love, and God’s justice is not the same thing as man’s justice – so much so that it’s hard to see how they amount to ‘love’ or ‘justice’ at all. When you get past all the smoke and mirrors, some of version of this is what it always comes down to. (Of course, if that is true, it is true, and besides, what does a creator really owe his creation anyway? If it’s all true, I’m shit out of luck, plain and simple.)

    But anyway, I’m really not here to dissuade anyone from being Christian. Hard it as it may be to believe, I would be thrilled if more people became Christian (especially more Europeans), even if I personally cannot take Christian theology seriously. My hard atheist days are far behind me, and Christianity is my spiritual ‘mother tongue,’ and I cannot depart too far from it for too long, so every now and then I am reminded of some aspect of Christianity that rubs me the wrong way and I blurt out something scornful.

  113. @Beckow

    It will more likely be to the last scrap of whiteness that can be located, it must be exterminated because it reminds the others how inadequate they are.

    Call it “The End of History and the Last White Man” thesis.

  114. @Beckow

    uncontrolled fury of resentful Galicians as they realize that the gig is up, that they lost again.

    The imperial puppets did not say anything explicitly, but they act according to the reality, not according to politically motivated BS. Poland is placing its anti-missile defenses at the Ukrainian border, while Lithuania decided against handing its anti-missile defense system to Ukies, but to strengthen its anti-missile defenses ASAP instead.

    It’s like with MH17 in 2014: no airline said anything politically incorrect, but they all stopped flying over Ukraine and continued flying over Russia. Sapienty sat.

  115. Yahya says:
    @silviosilver

    Are you actually a tango fan?

    Not really tbh. I only mentioned Piazolla because he’s the first thing that came to mind. In Latin America I only listen to classical music, which is mostly produced by Brazil. Even then I much prefer European classical music, which is obviously deeper and more sophisticated. Still, this piece by an obscure mestiza Brazilian composer is sublime, I find myself listening to it often:

    Have you seen the 1998 movie Tango by Carlos Saura?

    No. I will watch it though and possibly write an opinion in my next round of film reviews if it is interesting.

    Have you watched the 2001 Bosnian comedy No Man’s Land? I watched it twice; loved it the first time, but downgraded to an 8/10 the second time due to poor acting and some corny dialogue. But if you haven’t seen it yet I’d recommend it. It’s fairly even-handed so you need not worry about Serb-bashing or petty nationalism, movie seems to satirize all sides including the UN.

    It could just be that Argentina has always been my favorite Latin American country

    Brazil would be mine, I like how chaotic and crazy the country is. Also the relatively large number of Arabs is a plus too :). Though I will always respect Argentina for producing such an interesting writer as Borges (whose non-fiction I much prefer to his fiction; much like Orwell). Latin America in general is an interesting region, though tbh almost every major geographic sphere interests me, except perhaps sub-Saharan Africa due to a lack of high culture, and to a lesser extent Southeast Asia.

    Interesting that you have family in Argentina. Wasn’t aware of Balkan migration to that country, or in Latin America more generally. I think only Ukrainians in Brazil are a prominent Slavic group.

    Nowadays, it’s like Arab music to me: I think it’s good, but I can only take so much before it starts sounding samey and wears me out.

    I can see where you’re coming from, I like and appreciate the artistic skill of some Japanese Koto or Indian Raja practitioners; but I can only listen to so much for a period of time. I’d say though my ability to listen to exotic music has improved considerably over time. Previously I couldn’t stand to venture out of my comfort zone; that is Arabic and Western music (the former I felt comfortable with because it’s my native tradition, the other because of its ubiquity and consequent familiarity). The key turning point was when I realized that skill in music is universal, and not every piece of music required a piano or violin to be sophisticated. Even if I still struggle to listen to certain musical categories, I appreciate the artistic value of any classical tradition, and rejoice in any composition that doesn’t fall under the mechanical, artificial, synthesizer-based “music” category which seems to have taken over every corner of the globe.

    With regards to Arabic music, I bet you’ve only listened to mainstream Arabic singers and musicians, though i’m curios to know which artists you were referring to. There’s a whole world of obscure Arabic singers, orchestras, ensembles and composers who are ten times more skilled than known quantities like Abdel-Halim Hafez, Fairouz, and god forbid Nancy Ajram etc. but you have to search for them hard. One of the key strengths of the Western music ecosystem is that there’s a certain level of organization which allows classical composers to remain (semi)prominent long after they die. In the Arab world, no such system exists so talented composers get lost in a deep void, though some pieces in the repertoire do live on.

    Anyway, recommending music is a fool’s errand since musical tastes differ so much. But I can’t help but make just a few (if you are interested in a more comprehensive list, see my reply to Dmitry here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-194/#comment-5497541)

    [MORE]

    1) Ask El-Atash (اسق العطاش)

    This is a Sufi Muwashshah (a multi-lined strophic verse poem written in classical Arabic) called “Ask El-Atash” (اسق العطاش) or alternatively “Hayamatni” (هيمتني), which originated in Aleppo, Syria in the year 1190 in the Islamic calendar, or 1776 AD in the Gregorian calendar. In that year the rain was scarce and the people of Aleppo started praying for Allah (صلاة ودعاء الإستسقاء) to bring them rain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-M09-6hcvs&t=132s&ab_channel=OrninaSyrianOrchestra%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9

    The above link is my favorite rendition of that song by Rasha Rizk and the Ornina Syrian Orchestra. But there’s 5-6 more renditions on YouTube, though usually abridged. Two good ones include:

    Sabah Fakhry (Syrian): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0Gs2l21D0&t=1065s&ab_channel=AliAdiga%F0%9F%87%B8%F0%9F%87%BE%F0%9F%87%B8%F0%9F%87%BE

    Lubna Al-Quntar (Syrian): (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWjYXYYIZ24&ab_channel=OrninaSyrianOrchestra%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9)

    I gave the others in this post here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-194/#comment-5500139

    2) Ya Msafer Wahdak (يا مسافر وحدك)

    This is an Egyptian classical song, composed by the prolific Muhammad Abdel-Wahab, and arranged here by a talented Palestinian from Nazareth (a surprisingly artistic town), Nizar Al-Khater (highly recommend checking out his other works).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdOcTFX6vm0&list=RDQdOcTFX6vm0&start_radio=1&ab_channel=TheGaryBertiniIsraeliChoir%7C%D7%9E%D7%A7%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%99

    The choir is Israeli, looks to be primarily Ashkenazim, and the lead vocalist is a Lebanese Christian, Marie Jubran. So here you have a song composed by a Muslim, performed by Jews, and sung by a Christian. Whoever said the sons of Abraham can’t get along with each other?

    3) Ahla Wa Sahla (أهلا وسهلا)

    Arabic music typically has an accurate reputation for sounding strange, depressing and melancholic. But that’s because most people only listen to Arabic music from the Middle Eastern portion of the Arab world. In the Maghreb where people are more jovial, the music is much more upbeat (major scale in musicspeak). This is my favorite song from the bonhomie Algerian Jewish maestro Maurice El-Medioni:

    On a technical level, he’s probably not the best Maghrebi composer, but I love his melodies, they rarely fail to captivate me. If you like his style I recommend listening to the other Big 3 of Algerian Classical Music: Mustapha Skandarani, Mohamed Iguerbouchen, Mohammed Weld El Kourd. Anouar Brahem from Tunisia is also top-notch, though his style is different from the former composers.

    4) En Rah Minak Ya Ein (ان راح منك يا عين)

    This is a song from the Golden Age of Egyptian Cinema, originally composed for Shadia. Sounds similar to a Tango, but the Arabic elements predominate. There’s a piano in there which is quite rare for a classical Egyptian songs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgvZ4GhB40&list=PLk4jQWJwkElTO7fwOk8m_Ibn-gQ_leGiZ&index=6&ab_channel=%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%B9%D8%A9%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9

    There’s some nice modernized renditions by a couple of Levantine singer:

    Lara Elayyan (Jordanian): (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVgtSgwYx80&list=PLk4jQWJwkElTO7fwOk8m_Ibn-gQ_leGiZ&index=146&ab_channel=%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86LaraElayyan)

    Nano Reis (Syrian):

    The instrumentalists in the background of the last video are top-quality composers in their own right: Bassem Saba (Lebanese) and Simon Shaheen (Palestinian Christian). Recommend checking out their work too if you like this style.

    5) Palestinian Folklore

    A compilation of folklore by Nazerene folk singer Dalal Abu Amneh, who could very well have Balkan ancestry as indicated by her blonde hair and blue eyes. She utilizes a melismatic singing style common to traditional Arabic music (and also Celtic music); which can often times feel kitschy if done wrong but here is well executed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKACz8iX2mk&list=PLk4jQWJwkElTO7fwOk8m_Ibn-gQ_leGiZ&index=184&ab_channel=DalalAbuAmneh-%D8%AF%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88%D8%A2%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A9

    Let me know if you like any of these.

  116. It was Iran that caused Israel to talk about supplying weapons to Ukraine. In its article, Military Monitoring writes about a meeting held between the Israeli ambassador in Moscow – Mr. Alexander Ben Zvi, and the deputy head of the Russian diplomatic service, Mr. Mikhail Bogdanov.

    Israel has issued an ultimatum to Russia: if Moscow does not stop buying Iranian weapons, be it drones or missiles, Jerusalem will seriously consider supplying Kyiv with high-precision ballistic missiles. The Israeli media also wrote about this ultimatum, and in an extended material, the topic was touched on by the Israeli TV channel Kan-11.

    A source from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs also spoke about the same. According to him, says Military Monitoring, the head of Israel’s Security Council, Mr. Eyal Hulata, issued the same warning to his Russian counterparts.

    https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/11/22/israel-to-russia-well-supply-ballistic-missiles-to-ukraine-if/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @A123
  117. @sudden death

    Israel has issued an ultimatum to Russia: if Moscow does not stop buying Iranian weapons, be it drones or missiles, Jerusalem will seriously consider supplying Kyiv with high-precision ballistic missiles.

    That would be useful for Russia and bad for Israel. So far, the RF studiously avoided hitting Israeli targets in Syrian war. This would mean the end of this inconvenient restraint. Emboldened Syria might even fulfill the UN resolution and take back the Golan Heights.

  118. @AnonfromTN

    The thing about fighting Israel is those mother fu**ers will use their nukes with minimal provocation.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @LatW
  119. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    It would lead to combining of the different fronts and a more real world war. Countries are being pressured to choose sides. That will make a compromised half-way solution much harder.

    If we end up with a war to the bloody end, Ukraine will simply be destroyed. It will loose too much of its population and could become uninhabitable. Eastern Europe will return to its historical place as a fought-over borderlands with wealth escaping and nobody investing. Western Europe will tremble in its boots, permanently scared of what can come from the east and of its across-the-Atlantic masters. Migrants will pour in because the southern regions will economically collapse.

    There was a simple compromise: no Nato and normal rights for Russians in Ukraine. Can someone explain why was that such a hard thing to agree for Kiev-Washington? And they talk about Russia’s guilt, confusing causes and consequences, the simpletons here eat it up. Because “war” is such a strong, scary word.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  120. @Emil Nikola Richard

    The thing about fighting Israel is those mother fu**ers will use their nukes with minimal provocation.

    You grossly underestimate their cowardice. They talk tough but run for cover with their tail between their legs even when no one attacks them. The times of Israeli military superiority are over, and deep down they know that.

    • Replies: @Matra
  121. @Beckow

    There was a simple compromise: no Nato and normal rights for Russians in Ukraine.

    That was possible early this year. This would have prevented the war. But once started, the war brings its own dynamic. I don’t think it can be ended now without kicking the puppets out of Kiev and kicking the empire and its sidekicks out of Ukraine (this is essentially the same thing). I strongly suspect that an attempt to end this war on conditions that were acceptable before it started would cost Putin and his coterie power. He is smart enough to understand that. Official statements by the Kremlin that the war is not about regime change are pure subterfuge: they are confident that as the empire does not give a hoot about how many Ukrainians die, it won’t allow its puppets seek compromise.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  122. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW

    The question I was getting at is, “Who is setting up the actual missile flight/target plan?”

    What proof do you have that it is not the Ukrainians themselves? Where is this assumption coming from?

    It is quite believable that Ukraine is running 100% independent units with 6 pack MLRS (~35km range). That is not dissimilar to conventional artillery in plan and use.

    The more exotic and expensive ammunition packages (ATACMS or PrSM) are much more complex. The longer range attacks seem to have very good intelligence on where things are, both targets and missile defense systems, well behind enemy limes.

    • Do you have any proof that Ukraine has the ability to perform such reconnaissance?
    • Can you think of several intelligence agency’s associated Europe that do?
    • How about the European Empire’s coup regime across the Atlantic?

    Chances of proving this either way are quite slim. The European Empire, for obvious reasons of deniability, is caught between maximum aggression and minimum disclosure. However, it would be unsurprising to learn that the Paris-Berlin axis is running a good portion of Zelensky’s long range strike packages.

    Do you have any evidence that I am wrong?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
  123. @AnonfromTN

    Emboldened Syria might even fulfill the UN resolution and take back the Golan Heights.

    Given your record in prophesying military outcomes, this comment has to be the kiss of death for Arab hopes in the region.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  124. @silviosilver

    Given your record in prophesying military outcomes

    Let me remind you that military outcomes are only clear after the wars stop. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  125. Matra says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Israel shot down a Russian surveillance plane killing 15 servicemen over Syria whilst attacking Russia’s ally. Russia did nothing.

    • Replies: @A123
  126. @AnonfromTN

    In that case, why not take your own advice?

    • Agree: Mikel
  127. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death

    the Israeli ambassador in Moscow – Mr. Alexander Ben Zvi

    The ambassador is regurgitating last second, non-policy, pronunciations promulgated by lame duck Lapid. He may be a career type that has no choice but to do so.

    head of Israel’s Security Council, Mr. Eyal Hulata

    Do you mean FORMER head? He has already jumped ship: (1)

    Israeli National Security Adviser Eyal Hulata has resigned from his post, according to a report Friday by Israel’s KAN 11 News public broadcaster.

    Hulata informed caretaker Prime Minister Yair Lapid that his resignation will take effect upon the formation of the new government to be headed by Likud chair Benjamin Netanyahu.

    There is no chance of any major change in Israel-Ukraine policy before Netanyahu’s administration gets fully up to speed.

    Bottom line is that Netanyahu values good relations with Putin. The errors of the Bennett & Lapid past are going to be jettisoned. Hopefully within weeks, though Israel has its own deep state issues.

    • Netanyahu’s defense against sociopath Khamenei’s aggression is greatly aided by keeping Russia neutral/friendly.
    • Putin & Assad have a huge problem with Erdogan: (1)

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is again threatening to imminently launch a major ground operation in northern Syria to root out Kurdish “terrorist” groups, following the November 13 bombing in central Istanbul which killed six people. The Turkish government quickly blamed the outlawed PKK and affiliate groups operating across the border in Syria.

    The weekend saw Turkish warplanes conduct dozens of ‘retaliatory’ strikes across Kurdish regions of northern Syria and Iraq. Ankara declared that 89 targets with alleged links to the PKK and Syrian YPG were destroyed.

    Russia has meanwhile warned against a new Turkish incursion into Syria. “We understand and respect Turkey’s concerns about ensuring its own security. We believe this is Turkey’s legitimate right,” a fresh statement from Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. “At the same time, we call on all parties to refrain from steps that could lead to the destabilization of the overall situation,” he added.

    Both Putin and Netanyahu have realpolitik motivations to improve relations.

    The idea that Netanyahu will betray Israel’s national interests to support the highly offensive Zelensky is ludicrous.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/government-israel/eyal-hulata-resigns-as-national-security-council-adviser/2022/11/05/

    (2) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-threatens-large-syria-ground-operation-soon-possible

  128. LatW says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    with minimal provocation

    If Russia helps Iran with their nuclear program, then Israel will consider this a major provocation.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  129. Yahya says:
    @showmethereal

    Actually you have to have fairly high intelligence to be good at football.

    If that were true, then East Asians would dominate the World Cup (which they don’t, quite the opposite), and blacks would not be over represented in European teams.

    Football players don’t seem that bright to me. Being a manager seems to be g-loaded though.

  130. A123 says: • Website
    @Matra

    Israel shot down a Russian surveillance plane killing 15 servicemen over Syria whilst attacking Russia’s ally. Russia did nothing.

    Syria shot down a plane killing 15 Russians. The PR operation failed to reassign blame. Israel did nothing. Add it to the long list of things that have gone wrong with anti-air systems.

    What goes up, must come down!

    If you are within 200 air miles of an anti-air launcher there is an (admittedly small) chance your ticket could be punched on any day. Mistakes and bad luck are part of combat operations. Sometimes civilians pay the price with absolutely no warning.

    PEACE 😇

  131. @Yahya

    It’s fairly even-handed so you need not worry about Serb-bashing or petty nationalism

    I’ll reply to the rest of your post later, but just quickly on this, lol, I am the last person who’d ever get offended by that. In the war years, there was this Croatian song “Oj Srbine, jebem ti tri prsta”, best rendered in English as “Oi Serbo, fuck you and your three fingers” (3 fingers referring to the three fingers orthodox worshipers use to cross themselves, but also sometimes flashed as an orthodox “gang sign” lol, well, more like WWII’s “v for victory” salute, made famous by Churchill). The lyrics are intended to taunt and maximally insult, but I can listen to something like that and laugh no problem. (This song is far from the only one and far from the worst; I remember it because I thought it was actually quite well done, the way it mimics a Serbian peasant musical style from the region. War taunt music was something of an entire genre.) I am mentioning this so you better understand where I’m coming from when I loose insults – I forget that not everybody takes that sort of thing as lightly as I do.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  132. @LatW

    If Russia helps Iran with their nuclear program, then Israel will consider this a major provocation.

    In fact, Iran is unlikely to need any help with that. They are progressing despite numerous acts of sabotage by the usual suspects.

    Now that only jungle rules remain in international relations Iran will likely heed the example of NK: having nukes is the only guarantee that some bandits do not attack you (to promote democracy, no doubt).

    • Replies: @sudden death
  133. @AnonfromTN

    having nukes is the only guarantee that some bandits do not attack you

    Ukraine wholeheartedly agrees with this take;)

  134. LatW says:
    @A123

    Do you have any evidence that I am wrong?

    I’m just trying to figure it out. This info will not be publicly available (in order to protect the troops). It is no secret that some reconnaissance assistance is provided. But the targeting is managed from the UA Headquarters with Ukrainians in charge.

    • Replies: @A123
  135. @Emil Nikola Richard

    sleeping with the animals on the bed

    I have a decent number of animals around but my rule is no way in hell are dogs in my bedroom, especially not in my bed. Gross and it ruins the ambiance.
    Cats are sometimes unavoidable on the bed it seems, as they creep in like a water leak, and as long as they stay by the foot of the bed we can keep a truce.
    However, and this only generally happens once, a cat will think it’s a good idea to sleep near or on my head and purr at 1AM. I’m a heavy sleeper and I get pretty grumpy if I’m awakened, so the cat ends up taking an unceremonious flight across the room. Like I said, it’s generally not repeated, which is best for all parties involved.

  136. @silviosilver

    Sport is more than mere frivolity though.

    I’d say that there is a big difference between playing sports and watching sports. The latter has little redeeming value while the former has a number of good attributes.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @songbird
  137. @Barbarossa

    I’d say that there is a big difference between playing sports and watching sports.

    Pretty much the same difference as between having sex and watching porn.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  138. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW

    no secret that some reconnaissance assistance is provided. But the targeting is managed from the UA Headquarters with Ukrainians in charge.

    Is the Paris based organization providing “some reconnaissance assistance” giving over everything? Or, could they be selectively offering up details that lead to their desired outcome?

    It is a life-or-death version of Magician’s Choice. The party that controls the information strongly influences the mission selection.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
  139. LatW says:
    @A123

    Look, they’re in their own country which they know the best. The targets that were hit made military sense.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @A123
  140. @LatW

    The targets that were hit made military sense.

    Do you mean such targets as Polish tractor, Romanian jet and helo, and some place in Zagreb?

  141. songbird says:
    @Coconuts

    Afaik it comes from the US mainly where there was a legal category of ‘white’ which came to include all Europeans (and some latinos, people from the Middle East etc.)

    Don’t know if it is really correct, but I heard that the term “white” was basically a technology invented in order to organize and take on the Injun. If so, I think it could probably be considered to be dangerously obsolete.

    [MORE]

    This is one reason that I am a critic of the term and believe “Euro” or “European” is far superior.

    Indians had:
    1.) small numbers (and no ability to draw on huge reserves)
    2.) high disease susceptibility
    3.) no potential for crypsis
    4.) not very high verbal IQ
    5.) the horse as their greatest mode of mobility and communication
    6.) not much possibility of forming alliances with other non-white ethnic groups.
    7.) tribal organization only, no nation-states promoting their genetic interests.
    8) many were essentially hunter gatherers, only sowing snatch crops. Not urban dwellers. Cities probably were kind of deadly to them.

    Am sure one could come up with additional points, but, in short, with all due respect to Injuns, they were greatly outmatched.

  142. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW

    Look, they’re in their own country which they know the best. The targets that were hit made military sense.

    I kindly refer the gentleman to the explanation I provided some moments ago.

    It is quite believable that Ukraine is running 100% independent units with 6 pack MLRS (~35km range). That is not dissimilar to conventional artillery in plan and use.

    They probably are independently targeting strikes in “their own country which they know” at short range over their offensive lines. I have already made this point. Why do you need me to make it again?
    ___

    Now that we have disposed of that once and for all, let us return to the actual issue at hand.

    The more exotic and expensive ammunition packages (ATACMS or PrSM) are much more complex. The longer range attacks seem to have very good intelligence on where things are, both targets and missile defense systems, well behind enemy lines.

    The European Empire is required as a participant in making long range strikes successful. For example, those into Russia itself. I am not sure why why you are dodging this relatively straight forward relationship between EU Intelligence Agencies and the Kiev regime.

    Is it hard to believe that French intelligence is shaping Ukrainian strikes by selectively sharing details that support their desired outcome?

    If you assert this relationship does not & cannot exist, the burden of proof is yours.

    PEACE 😇

  143. Mikel says:
    @Yahya

    Football players don’t seem that bright to me.

    I would even argue that a negative correlation exists between excellence at soccer and general IQ. But soccer does require good visual and spatial-temporal skills, which may explain showmethereal’s observation.

    I’ve only watched the US match so far and they’re definitely getting better, btw, in spite of the disappointing score. With all the money and potential talent available, the US should eventually become one of the big teams.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    , @showmethereal
  144. A123 says: • Website

    The first major poll results since Trump announced his candidacy are in: (1)

    Former President Donald J. Trump holds a towering 30-point lead over the rest of the potential 2024 Republican primary field, according to a poll.

    In an Emerson College Polling survey released Tuesday, 55.1 percent of registered voters said they would vote for Trump in the 2024 GOP primary,

    NATIONAL POLL [MORE]

    2024 GOP Primary

    @realDonaldTrump 55%
    @RonDeSantisFL 25%
    @Mike_Pence 8%
    @Liz_Cheney 4%
    @tedcruz 3%
    @NikkiHaley 3%

    There is also an age divide in the Republican primary: younger voters under 50 break for Trump over DeSantis 67% to 14%, voters between 50 and 64 break for Trump 54% to 32%, while Republicans over 65 are more split: 39% support Trump and 32% DeSantis.

    This is a devastating gut punch to the #NeverTrump establishment followers of Mitch McConnell. Their attempts to blow up the MAGA movement from within have just taken a catastrophic blow.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/22/poll-donald-trump-holds-30-point-lead-over-2024-gop-primary-field/

    [MORE]

  145. @A123

    From this poll alone it seems there are at least 8% of Republicans (Cheney voters and at least half of Pence) who will not go to vote for Trump in 2024 or will vote for Biden, but ofc it will be easier to scream about election fraud when missing those votes while losing again, lol

  146. @AnonfromTN

    You guys didn’t have any fun watching Conner McGregor’s leg go snap?

    My favorite spectator sports moment of the last ten years I didn’t even see. It was at the very end of the Chiefs-49er’s Super Bowl and the 49er’s had the ball 1st and ten on their own 20, behind by 4, 2 minutes left.

    I was listening on 49er’s radio and Grep Popa had the greatest jinx commentary ever.

    “This is the exact situation Joe Montana was in the night he played himself into the Hall of Fame.”

    By chain of accidents Garopalo is still the 49er’s quarterback and he is having a great season. I still wonder if he ever heard about the Popa commenary.

  147. Mikel says:
    @A123

    From the same poll:

    When asked who they would vote for in a possible general election rematch between Trump and Biden, 40.9 percent said they would back Trump, while 45.1 percent said they would vote for the Democrat.

    After 3 consecutive Republican election losses with Trump as a leader, there is little doubt he would lose even against Kamala. If these numbers hold, we are doomed. But fortunately the result of this small poll of only ~600 respondents contradicts the previous ones where DeSantis was well ahead of him among Republicans.

    • Replies: @A123
  148. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel

    From the same poll:

    Similarly, Biden led DeSantis by a margin of 42.5 percent to 38.8 percent, with 11.2 percent stating they would vote for someone else

    Your attempt to undermine workers with a DeSantis “RINO” betrayal is also in OMGFAIL territory in terms of a establishment anti-MAGA win.

    As you want Not-The-President Biden to have a second term, this must make you very happy.

    PEACE 😇

  149. @Yahya

    Japan and SK are ok, about the same level as Middle Eastern teams. The fact that PRC is so bad points to a certain defect. Both the other two superpowers, US and Russia, don’t really care about soccer, but put together respectable teams. And unlike India, China produces world class weightlifters and sprinters.

    Soccer requires creativity and flair which EAs lack. I think that’s the main reason.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Yahya
  150. A123 says: • Website

    Ever spend 10 minutes speaking to Bethlehem Christian over the abuses they suffer at Muslim hands? (1)

    The Palestinian Authority has been forced to call off a press conference that was supposed to take place in Ramallah later this week regarding the upcoming Christmas festivities after protests by the Bethlehem Municipality and Christian leaders.

    Several Christian residents of Bethlehem accused the PA of attempting to “hijack” their holidays and marginalize the city’s role in organizing and overseeing the celebrations. Announcements about Christmas festivities have always been made from Bethlehem, they said.

    The dispute between Bethlehem and Ramallah over Christian holidays is unprecedented.

    Several Christians took to social media to express outrage over the PA’s attempt to shift attention from Bethlehem to Ramallah ahead of Christmas.

    The need to return Bethlehem to exclusive Christian control is self evidently necessary. End the Muslim occupation! Now!

    🎄 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄
    ___________________________

    (1) https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-723051

  151. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    What do you mean Russians don’t care about football (soccer)???? Who told you that??? They love the sport. Did you not see the passion involved when Russia hosted the World Cup? It was not just a commercial endeavor like when the US hosted. Russians were really really passionate. And plenty of Russian players have played in European leagues.

  152. Yevardian says:
    @Mikel

    Just quickly surveying, I noticed there’s a Basque football team that draws from both France and Spain, which could be considered quite provocative in itself, though of course I notice that isn’t in FIFA. Actually, aside from the UK, are there any other sub-national teams competing in the WC? It feels funny that Scotland gets it’s own representation, whilst enormous and far more distinct nations like Telugu or Tamils don’t get teams.. though I’d guess Indians are terrible at soccer anyway (rather play cricket too).
    I see at the ‘club’ there’s ‘Bilboko Athletic Kluba’ as well, though I guess its nothing special as I’ve never heard of it compared to famous Madrid and Barcelona teams which even I’ve heard of before.

    You might have seen this, I saw recently on El País that some curious historical fragment has recently been unearthed, now the earliest known written record of a Vasconic language.

    https://elpais.com/cultura/2022-11-14/un-equipo-de-investigadores-afirma-haber-descubierto-en-navarra-la-primera-inscripcion-en-vasco-de-hace-2100-anos.html

    • Replies: @Mikel
    , @silviosilver
  153. @Beckow

    So all the millions and millions and millions of Europeans that fled Europe for other continents – why did they stop? They stopped because the reasons they fled Europe for 3 centuries were remedied for the most part. It’s laughable people forget Europeans had a mass migration out for centuries.

    In any event it is a fact across the board that the more a country prospers – migration rates slow.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  154. @Yahya

    East Asians lack the overall athleticism. So that’s not a good analysis. The best black players tend to be the smarter ones also. And teams require all sorts. You need a combination of things.

  155. Yevardian says:
    @silviosilver

    I remember going through a phase of listening to Serbian ‘turbofolk, some extremely ‘powerful’ lyrics and musicvideos, though my impression was that only Roki Vulavic had genuine talent as singer.
    Probably you’ve heard of these already, but others might be interested in them as a curio.
    I wonder what the Croatian side of that genre looks like.

    [MORE]

    Pretty poor musically, but nice visuals:

    Attacking Bosnian Muslims, quite catchy in trashy way:

    Generic cheesy 80’s pop, except for the lyrics:

    Vulavic, instrumentation is midi-tier quality, but you can hear unlike the others he can actually sing:

    Roki Again:

    I like how when walking around a forest Vulavic wears a suit, whilst in the city he wears camoflage:

    Serbian military superiority over the Americans:

    Backing track sounds like it belongs to 90s RTS videogame:

    On Serbian music in general, I quite like this sort of stuff too. I noticed that this particular ‘operatic’ (though totally unlike classical Italian-derived opera singing, I don’t know what else to call it?) vocal styling is very characteristic of Greek music too, though you don’t hear it much in Romanian traditional music, and I’ve never heard this style in non-Balkan Slavic countries.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    , @silviosilver
  156. @showmethereal

    East Asians lack the overall athleticism.

    Speak for yourself, fucking loser.

    Don’t drag down other East Asians with you, China hasn’t beaten Japan and SK in twenty years–

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China-Japan_football_rivalry
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China-South_Korea_football_rivalry

    Organic sports organisation is anathema to the CCP, that’s the reason why,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Nippon_Butoku_Kai

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  157. Yevardian says:
    @Yevardian

    Reminds me, I might post some Turkish music I like from the classic ‘Anatolian Rock’ era, mostly from the 70s-80s. Perhaps Yahya could comment if any of this stuff is popular in the Arab world, definitely Turkish music remains very popular in Iran and in the Caucasus. Though my impression is that it isn’t, I think something non-MENA people don’t appreciate is how deep the cultural divide is between the Semitic world and the Turko-Iranian one in the region, its at least on the level of that between Northern and Southern Europe. I say ‘Semitic’ because I think its quite underestimated how influenced Israeli popular culture is by the Arab world.. although Turkish and Iranian influence there is virtually nil.

    [MORE]

    ‘Psychadelic rock’ with local flavour from Erkin Koray:

    Very 60’s bubblegum, change the language and you can easily see this being an British invasion hit:

    One of Baris Manco’s many hits:

    Mellow number from Esmeray:

    60s tropic lounge-style:

    Typical Anatolian Rock of the era from Altay:

    One Manco’s better English-language attempts, I suspect he memorised the lyrics without understanding much, some of his live performances of this are totally unintelligible imao:

    Baris Manco again:

    Erkin Koray:

    Manco:

    One of Manco’s most covered songs:

    A lesser known 70s Turkish group I remembered at random:

    Incidentally I know this from my mother’s side, my father can’t stand any of this stuff, which goes for almost anything except Western Classical Music really. I tried introducing him to Jazz when I was first getting into the genre. Although he didn’t actually hate it, after the novelty wore off he quickly lost interest.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  158. songbird says:

    Would we be better off if there was some sort of Logan’s Run for politicians, when they reached the age of 60?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  159. Mikel says:
    @Yevardian

    You might have seen this, I saw recently on El País that some curious historical fragment has recently been unearthed, now the earliest known written record of a Vasconic language.

    Thanks. I didn’t know about that finding. That should put to rest the theories about the Basque language coming from Aquitaine after the Roman conquest and replacing Celtic languages in the current Basque Country. That never made sense to me, although there do seem to be some Celtic toponyms interspersed here and there in a sea of Basque ancient toponyms. But considering that those theories are usually espoused by people with clear Spanish nationalist tendencies, they’ll more likely try to question this finding or its significance. If the transliteration I see in the article is correct those words certainly look Vasconic.

  160. @A123

    I’ll point out that Trump is the only person who has even declared in the race, so it’s hardly surprising that he has a commanding lead at this point. Polling like this is extremely meaningless at this point in the game. Once other candidates have declared and had a chance to get their message out in front of the electorate it will possible to draw some conclusions.

    • Replies: @A123
  161. @songbird

    Yes, but I would be generous and raise the age to 70. While they are at it American political races should be settled via cage match. I feel it would improve the dignity of the political system over what we have today. Plus it would save a lot of time and provide greater entertainment value to boot!

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Mr. Hack
    , @A123
  162. Dmitry says:

    I’ll answer the comments in the previous thread.

    @Yahya comment https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-201/#comment-5668686

    Criterion Dmitry has not reacted mostly arthous

    I became a movie fan after 2020, because of the coronavirus pandemic and lockdowns. Before 2020, I didn’t see so many classic movies.

    Film is the main art of the 20th century. For 20th century film, is the equivalent of painting, music, opera and theater in the previous centuries. I don’t know why I was added in connection to Criterion films. But if you look at their films they sell in the USA, they are selling a lot of the best films of the 20th century.. They have a quite significant collection there.

    https://www.criterion.com/shop/browse/list

    It doesn’t imply they don’t also sell many bad films. But the pluses is they had a wide group of films. Another plus is they have contributed to some restoration of films projections. They also begin to release the native 4k discs this month.

    In terms of the negatives, I know people complained about some of their encodings. Also some of their discs can be selling for $30.

    $30 is enough for two people, to go to the cinema and also perhaps add a glass of wine. But then when you go to the cinema in a randomized weekend, what kind of films can you see.

    @songbird

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-201/#comment-5668533

    One of the worst movies I ever saw, at least in part was Heathers.

    I didn’t know this film, but it looks like the same epoch as the worst film I saw in 2020, was recommended by you to me (as well as IMDB). It was “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”.

    With the coronavirus lockdown in 2020, I was suddenly becoming a movie fan, seeing two films in the evening. A rule I remember from this experience of seeing a lot of films, in a short time, are that 1980s films are often not a good idea. You won’t necessarily have a good mood after.

    Seeing a lot of films in a rapid way, I would say generally 1980s and 1990s films were less likely to be something with an interesting point of view or a humanist or moral teaching.

    1980s films often become like superficial advertising, or kind of sudden music videos. You can enjoy a kind of injection of the optimism and euphoria of the 1980s culture from this. But surely “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” could be a textbook of nihilist kitsch, even more than compared to Soviet equivalent.

    @Yevardian
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-201/#comment-5668807

    Letterbox feels like a site for the Tiktok generation

    Letterboxd is perhaps not bad because of the quantity of people writing reviews is so high. There is some wisdom of crowds.

    A problem is if many people are seeing the films on their phone or notebook, from streaming sites. But film is mostly visual (where narrative or “characterization” is often not so much more realistic than in your ordinary dream). So, if someone sees a film on their phone or notebook, it can be a much more narrow criteria for judging than in a cinema or OLED, where you are sometimes hypnotized by also visual things.

    • Replies: @songbird
  163. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    A123 would be in a bind because he loves Trump, but Merkel turned 60 in 2014.

    Mr. Hack would be in a bind because he hates ageism, but Putin is 70.

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  164. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    But surely “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” could be a textbook of nihilist kitsch, even more than compared to Soviet equivalent.

    LMAO. Is it not like Tom Sawyer? And does not it hit a bit against materialism with the scenes in Cameron’s (rich) home? I will shamelessly repeat myself, when I say that I think it is the quintessential film for American schoolkids.

    [MORE]

    But one scene that I remember being a little weirded out by was the scene where Ferris lip syncs Danke Schoen. It really sounds like a woman is singing it, but I did not realize this was Wayne Newton, which if anything weirds me out more.

    The guy who plays the principal was unfortunately some Hollywood pederast, which makes it hard to see the movies he was in, the quite good Amadeus, and the terrible Howard the Duck (both ’80s movies), the TV cut of which I enjoyed as a kid, but which is really quite a powerfully strange movie.

    IIRC, you liked The Breakfast Club, which I have always disdained as being too artificial and too much like a play. Have you seen any other John Hughes movies, or is that it? Many in the catalog. Swedish Family used to be a big fan, as I recall.

    You should watch Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. It is what I would call another rare quintessentially American film. In part, because it is about Thanksgiving, but also the massive size of America.

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  165. @Mikel

    US kids don’t grow up with the ball at their feet. Playing a sport using your feet to manipulate objects is counter-intuitive. And American crowds have low attention spans. Both are essential keys.

  166. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    How many Japanese or Korean players are in t he top leagues compared to their size? And since you claim it’s a CPC problem then what about the Chinese in Taiwan and Hong Kong and even in the UK and Australia? Face facts instead of being an idiot trying to insult others. East Asian – especially Chinese women – do better than the men in those types of sports. Stop lying to yourself. Only idiots who believe in a master race believe that their race is great at everything

  167. Dmitry says:

    @LatW
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-201/#comment-5669733

    folks on the right who argue against “depopulation” do this for their own people, not the global population

    If you remember most of our history, our population has been between 10,000 people to 100,000 people. Latvia today has maybe 20-200 times more people than would have been seeming natural for the population of all humans in this planet for most our time here. World population of humans was less than in a football stadium today.

    Sometimes people don’t think about numbers, to avoid how strange and unnatural our situation is. If you understand the numbers are so large, it is impossible they are not devaluing the individual’s life. (If there were 1000 people, just your ordinary biological reality could be 800 million times more unique than it is.)

    If you want to not generalize about a nationality and know them directly in our modern high population world. For example, to meet the citizens of the Russian Federation to know their views about war, if you would meet one person every ten minutes for 12 hours per day, for 7 days each week, it will be 6000 years before you meet the now living population of the country.

    But if you want to ask the Ukrainians about their opinion, it would be more than 1700 years of your 12 hour working days without weekends.

    [MORE]

    So, of course, these are not very natural, abstract desires, based in projecting of the size of the population of vastly inconceivable size of tribes and their even larger competitor tribes, which are not really tribes anymore (because a tribe would have just some 80-100 people).

    We live in the post-agriculture, post-industrialization times, with vast numbers we cannot understand, which our ancestors could not imagine about, but then we have considered this life normal, and sometimes in dysfunctional ways. For example, the celebrity worship is because we are designed for groups of not more than around 100, so there is part of our thoughts which is identifying celebrities we see regularly with a warm feeling like they are people of our family or team.

    We have no connection to these celebrities and politicians, but the politicians especially can exploit our lack of adaptation to modern world, by projecting their role as a father or tribal leader.

    symbolizes not so much “depopulation” or lack of people per se, but that it is romantic for a couple to be alone, the idea is almost that the rest of the world doesn’t exist, but only two people exist who are special to each other,

    But it’s not only for the couple enjoyable, but also for a family, or group of friends. Anytime when you are the only people, but which is also controlled nature, is like this. For example, when your group go to the cinema or the museum, and there is no other customer than yourselves.

    These are the standard part of luxury vacation, but also of the medieval monastery, of the royal palace, of the rich people’s country mansion. On one side it has all the benefits of civilization, on the other side, without the people. I.e. “Garden of Eden”.

    By comparison, the anti-romantic, is when you see other people who can substitute for yourself. For example, you go to a restaurant as a couple, and there too many other couples there.

    Cult “Moonie wedding” is the really the anti-wedding, because it is designed to devalue the idea of the wedding. People are dissolved to become a group which is not exactly human anymore, but far more powerful than any human, and open to exploitation by the human who is able to direct it. Of course, a lot of our culture and programming of a last few hundred years has been like a Moonie wedding.

    that’s where it begins and the next step is an environment that is good for family formation. That’s why I mentioned that these Guardian articles may have an agenda or at least they are not hitting the mark in understanding these developments. They’re focusing on depopulating areas, while at the same time there are pockets that are growing, with relatively decent TFR

    But I mean what do you actually want in your life? What makes you happy in real life, not in political abstractions. I don’t think increasing our already vast quantity is a desire commonly people feel, even if it is sensible to say in political talks. It’s necessary for the comfort of our modern civilization.

    Without our vast quantity, our economy would not be going, we would not have this wealth, we would not have comfort, we would not have army, we would not have sports teams to “represent us”, we would not possibility for millionaires and billionaires. Without replacement fertility rates and aging population, our financial system could collapse. Without replacement fertility rates, our politicians will use immigration instead. So, it’s a common view of the political people to desire it. But when they looked in their soul, it’s not like anyone really enjoys being diluted with even more than our vast numbers. At best, maybe there is some “sublime” sense about our vast quantities.

    you’re right but wouldn’t the situation be worse without the maternity capital? These payments should be made, but I don’t think they’re the key.

    Maternity capital reduces the poverty rate, but doesn’t seem to effect on the fertility rate, according to the demographers, and now the government seems to be accepting this more openly. January 2023, they go to the unified allowance for families with any children, not above replacement fertility. (https://www.interfax.ru/russia/871568)

    This doesn’t imply maternity capital is necessarily bad policy, as one of the extremes in Russia is inequality.

    So, officials have said maternity capital was successful to reduce the poverty rate, but not effect the fertility rate. In terms of population replacement, one of the effects of maternity capital is likely to move forward the timing of births, instead of increasing their number. To small extent, this could reduce the future population by slightly reducing the time space between generations. If you are below replacement fertility, then reducing the time space between generations will increase the rate of natural population decline (although this increase in rate of fall would only begin in around 2050s).

    That’s kind of scary, I wonder what is the way out of that, if that’s the case.

    Maybe there could be at least still potential reduction of the accounting problems, increasing pension age and improving the health of the population.

    But you can’t improve the health so much without reducing peoples’ liberty for choice. And a lot of people wouldn’t want to continue working even if they were healthy.

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  168. @Dmitry

    But it’s not only for the couple enjoyable, but also for a family, or group of friends. Anytime when you are the only people, but which is also controlled nature, is like this. For example, when your group go to the cinema or the museum, and there is no other customer than yourselves.

    They’re not at all comparable. A couple in love truly doesn’t care if there is nobody else around. But a family or group of friends going to the movies or a museum or a restaurant would react very poorly if there were nobody else around. The presence of other people is an important ingredient in making the outing enjoyable. And the presence of too many of the ‘wrong sort of people’ – use your imagination – can completely spoil the outing. When you go somewhere, even if you’re the biggest libtard on the planet, you have a mental picture of the sort of people you expect to find there, so if one day you show up and the place turns out to be, say, three quarters pajeets and you’ve never seen that before, it’ll be a very different experience to the one you were expecting (leaving you scratching your head wondering if it’s not Indian independence day or something that caused you to have such an unfortunate experience).

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  169. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    (If there were 1000 people, just your ordinary biological reality could be 800 million times more unique than it is.

    Typo -” (If there were 1000 people, just your ordinary biological reality could be 8 million times more unique than it is.”

  170. Dmitry says:
    @silviosilver

    a family or group of friends going to the movies or a museum or a restaurant

    The best vacation as a child, was when our family has our own beach, without anyone else. The best time with friends in youth, when we go home late enough, we have a center of a city like it is our property. The most enjoyable recent times in the cinema, when we are the only people in the cinema. And the best time in the museum, when there was no-one in the museum,

    A few weeks ago, we were the only people in the cafe, and it was great, like the feeling of being at home, but in the city.

    would react very poorly if there were nobody else around

    If you are alone, then you might like there to be other people. But if you are in a group, no other people is often perfect. Just look at your own experiences.
    .

    A couple in love truly doesn’t care if there is nobody else around

    Most couples are not in love at lot of the time and it’s still of course better when you have the place as much as possible.

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  171. Yahya says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan and SK are ok, about the same level as Middle Eastern teams.

    Doesn’t really say much, Middle Eastern teams are fairly mediocre. Theoretically, the MENA region and East Asia should be winning at least a few world cups, but literally all of them have gone to European and Latin American teams (the game is rigged!) But the point is that success in football doesn’t seem to be correlated with intelligence, Brazil and Argentina are hardly the highest IQ nations; but they put a solid showing in every tournament. African nations seem to be debilitated by their extreme poverty and lack of resources for training facilities or the like. But MENA and East Asian countries don’t have that excuse really.

    You’d think China and India, with 2.5 billion people among them, would at least be able to find 11 world-class players who can take them all the way to victory in the finals. There are tiny nations like Uruguay and Netherlands, with but a percentage of China and India’s populations, who have won the world cup.

    The fact that PRC is so bad points to a certain defect.

    Japan and South Korea oddly seem to outgun China on almost every cultural endeavor, even though the latter is 10x larger in population. The people who tend to narrowly focus on East Asian lack of cultural productivity compared to the West are missing the significant intra-East Asian differences in output as well. I haven’t seen many good explanations for this. Lee Kuan Yew posited that China is hindered by a culture that does not permit a free exchange of ideas; a language that shapes thinking through epigrams; and 4,000 years of texts that suggest everything worth saying has already been said, and said better by earlier writers. He once advised the Chinese leadership make English the first language, though much as I respect Lee, strikes me as a materialistic and self-abasing idea.

    I would be interested to hear your explanation as to China’s underperformance vis-a-vis Japan and Korea.

    Soccer requires creativity and flair which EAs lack. I think that’s the main reason.

    I think there’s some truth in the age-old stereotype of East Asian lack of creativity, but as usual HBDists tend to overdo it. I wrote a post on this topic here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/math-vs-reading-test-score-tilts-internationally/#comment-5332386

  172. @Yevardian

    I see at the ‘club’ there’s ‘Bilboko Athletic Kluba’ as well, though I guess its nothing special as I’ve never heard of it compared to famous Madrid and Barcelona teams which even I’ve heard of before.

    Not sure if you’re being sarcastic here. : ) If you’ve honestly never heard of Athletico Bilbao though, they’re actually one of the most successful teams in Spanish club soccer, and they’ve managed that feat despite (or maybe because of?) their policy of using only Basque players. Even a non-sportsball fan could be impressed by that.

    @Mikel

    although there do seem to be some Celtic toponyms interspersed here and there in a sea of Basque ancient toponyms. But considering that those theories are usually espoused by people with clear Spanish nationalist tendencies

    Years ago on some race/ethnicity forum (might have been Stirpes, now long defunct but once very good), I noticed a strain of Spanish nationalism that seemed to really go out of its way to play up “Celtic roots” – the sort of fathers who would force their kids to learn the bagpipes, lol. Have you ever had much personal experience with these types?

    @Matra

    Allowing five subs represents the kind of Americanisation that Steve Sailer has long advocated. How can it be a team effort if half the players that finish didn’t start the match?

    Well, I think you could just as well argue that the rule makes it more of a team effort, since it involves more people who are part of the (larger) team. But I can understand why ‘purist’ fans – which soccer is chock full of – would be put off by the changes. I really don’t care anymore. Soccer has gone from my favorite sport when I was a teen, to something I can barely muster the energy to google the results of. The reason is mostly racial – who cares what a half nigged (soon to be 100%) “France” or “England” does – but not solely. In hindsight, the Bosman ruling totally wrecked European soccer. As early as the late 90s Chelsea could field a team without a single actual Englishman on it. I was still a huge fan, but I thought that was seriously messed up.

    @Barbie

    I’d say that there is a big difference between playing sports and watching sports. The latter has little redeeming value while the former has a number of good attributes.

    Yes, the sad little sporstball fan is a sitting duck for absolutist judgments like this. However, if you compare sporstball fandom to alternative uses of leisure time, there are obviously far worse things that the average fan – of decidedly average human ‘quality’ – could be doing. At a very basic level, reading sports journalism is likely the only reading some fans would ever do, and if not for that, then nothing. So that counts as a plus. Fandom also imparts some lessons in patience and coping with disappointment, and even restraint and hope (it’s not over till it’s over). Of course, there are more effective ways to imbibe those same lessons, but again you have to weigh that against the likelihood that the average fan would ever do so.

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  173. @Dmitry

    Just look at your own experiences.

    Of course I consulted my own experiences (who else’s would I?), but perhaps I erred in extrapolating too far from them. You and I may just be very different people. But probably more similar than you think, since I also strongly feel that western liberal societies are the best that have ever existed and nothing else really comes close. I just wish it could all take place in a racially and culturally reasonable context – a thought you’re apparently completely unwilling to entertain. (The world’s big enough for all of us, so why not?)

    To address your point again, there are places we go to get away from people and places we go in order to be around them. Some places lend themselves to both purpose, like the beach. If you feel like being alone, an empty beach can be perfect. If you want to have some fun in the sun, a crowded beach can be just the ticket. Other places, it strikes me as bizarre that a group of friends would prefer to be there alone. “We went to the nightclub bro and we were the only ones there, it was so cool!!” I can’t imagine anyone ever saying that. To me, some of the examples you use fall into (or closer to) this category.

    Alone in a museum? Not sure about that. I wouldn’t want it so packed I had to wait forever to see any of the exhibits, but it would definitely feel ‘warmer’ if there were other people there besides my own group. (Unless we were kids and the objective was to run wild, lol.) Generally, I think the rule is if a place is obviously built to hold a large number of people but there are only a few there, it feels kinda sad. Individual mileage would vary quite considerably here.

    Most couples are not in love at lot of the time

    Yeah I know, that’s why I specified a couple in love, hoping to imply that they are feeling pretty in love in that moment. Anyway, I’ll stop nitpicking you if you stop nitpicking me. I’m starting to feel like AP responding to every little detail lol.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  174. I guess the Russian reaction has dwindled to the point Unz can shut down the blog. It’s amazing how we can be on the verge of WWIII with a country yet pretend it doesn’t exist. Spain, world music, movies, DIE indoctrination along with the Republican capitulation to mass uncontrolled immigration but not much about Russia around here.

    You people are pretty feckless, aren’t you.

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  175. Yahya says:
    @Yevardian

    Incidentally I know this from my mother’s side, my father can’t stand any of this stuff, which goes for almost anything except Western Classical Music really. I tried introducing him to Jazz when I was first getting into the genre. Although he didn’t actually hate it, after the novelty wore off he quickly lost interest.

    Your father and I are kindred souls; I couldn’t listen to any of the stuff you posted. I was actually impressed by the beginning instrumentation of the first Erkin Koray tune; until he started singing in that psychedelic style which I can’t stand. I told the Dragon Man before that my musical tastes tends towards the orderly and mundane; never got into jazz, electronic, hip-hop, dance, rock or psychedelic music. My reaction to jazz was pretty much identical to your father’s. Perhaps you can recommend the Arabic pieces I posted above, I think he might like some of them.

    From Turkey I am a fan of their classical tradition. I wrote a lengthy post on it to Bashibuzuk here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5581415

    It’s fairly similar to Arabic music, as it is based on the Maqam/Makam/Mugham system utilized by the Arab world, Turkey, and Azerbaijan; though surprisingly it took me a while to get accustomed to it. I cannot comment on the popularity or lack thereof of Anatolian Rock in the Arab world; since i’ve never listened to any till today, though I was vaguely familiar with the genre. All I know is that i’ve never heard a Turkish tune being played on TV, radio or in outdoor settings; though Turkish TV shows are ubiquitous on MBC (a pan-Arab TV network watched all over the Arab World). My friends mostly listen to the basest forms of Western music, stuff that make my ears bleed.

    Iran – zero. The cultural separation between Iran and the Arab world is several times greater than with Turkey, perhaps owing to the residual Ottoman influence of the latter. I do not have experiences like you of watching The Lizard or listening to Banan with family; I had to explore Iranian cinema and music by myself. I largely agree with your take on the division between the Semitic and Turco-Persian worlds. I’ve seen several Israeli renditions of classical Arabic songs, unsurprisingly from the Mizrahim of that country. Though Arabic cultures popularity with Mizrahi seems strange considering the hatred they have for us. I should point out though that some Turks like listening to Arabic music as well; I see them in the comment sections of many Arabic songs. And occasionally I come across Turkish renditions of Arabic songs, such as this tasteful adaptation of Lena Chamamyan’s Baali Maak by Selva Erdener:

    Regarding Turkey and Iran’s influence; obviously both of them try to gain favor with the prestige Arab world in their quest to lead the Islamic Ummah. Iran has been more successful, even though it faces a steeper battle given its cultural distance and more importantly, Shia disposition, which puts it at odds with Sunni Arabs in the region. Turkey should have done better considering many Arab elites in places like Egypt and Algeria have recent Turkish ancestry. But Erdogan really played his cards wrong, supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, opposing Assad in Syria, and picking fights with the Gulf Arab monarchies. Virtually the only “nation” he has any influence over is tiny Qatar. Iran has done well given the poor cards they were dealt, but they too are treated with suspicion and hostility by most of the Arab World, as I demonstrated in my reply to you some months ago.

    I remember going through a phase of listening to Serbian ‘turbofolk, some extremely ‘powerful’ lyrics and musicvideos, though my impression was that only Roki Vulavic had genuine talent as singer.

    Lol, these videos seem like self-parodies.

    I’m a huge fan of Balkan folk music. This piece of Bulgarian polyphonic music is exquisite:

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
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  176. Coconuts says:
    @showmethereal

    With Russia and China actually helping those countries to develop they have less need to migrate.

    There may be a kind of pattern developing related to political regime, so a hypothesis can be formed.

    Russia is a presidential republic with a managed democracy, China is a one-party organic democracy.
    Western countries are liberal parliamentary democracies. Liberal parliamentary regimes are probably most likely to invite permanent immigration from overseas and least able to prevent it happening, by their nature.

    The longer and stronger the liberal parliamentary tradition is, the more immigration and the more diverse it should be.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  177. A123 says: • Website
    @Unintended Consequence

    It’s amazing how we can be on the verge of WWIII with a country yet pretend it doesn’t exist. … not much about Russia around here.

    What should be said that has not be said multiple times before?

    There is no WW III coming, even if Putin uses multiple strategic nukes in the Ukraine. American SJW’s have a very thin surface preference for 🇺🇦 as virtue signalling in tweets. How many Leftoids would actually sign up and risk death for them. What % of Americans could find Ukraine on a globe?

    The Ukie Maximalists posting here cannot be engaged on the topic. They lie repeatedly, shamelessly misrepresent facts, are willingly blind to Kiev’s war crimes, and at least one of them is dangerously mentally ill. Those extremists have pushed most of those who started in the middle, including myself, firmly into Putin’s camp.

    What is to be gained by screaming at each other?
    ___

    In may ways talking about America is discussion of the fiasco in Ukraine.

    There will be less money for Kiev aggression starting next year, and the previous flows will be audited for misuse. What will the Paris-Berlin axis do when their U.S. puppet becomes less effective at delivering the cash?

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
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  178. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    It is remarkable how woke the NHL has become.

    Has to be the most blue-collar professional league in America in terms of fans. The core demographic of players, though shifted, is still fairly Euro, so one would think that there is not much sensitivity, for tranny stuff to latch onto.

    IMO, it serves as an interesting example, about the woke dynamic. Somewhat ignorantly and tentatively, I would suggest that perhaps, it has something to do with the owners, and/or perhaps the regime. (And one can extrapolate to other organizations.)

    [MORE]

    Of course, there was this story out of Ukraine a while back, which, IMO, seems to hint more specifically at the regime than anything else:
    https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/andrei-deniskin-suspended-for-racist-gesture-towards-black-american-hockey-player/

  179. Mr. Hack says:
    @Barbarossa

    Political cage match?

    International cage matches anyone?

  180. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    Ageism? I’ve been against Beckov style auschwitz solutions for individuals nearing retirement age. 70 actually seems too old for a presidential candidate, not to mention 80 as both Biden and Trump represent.

    • Replies: @songbird
  181. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    Polling like this is extremely meaningless at this point in the game. Once other candidates have declared and had a chance to get their message out in front of the electorate it will possible to draw some conclusions.

    Trump is getting his MAGA message out now. And, he has developed a great deal of “soft power” via endorsements, rallies, and fund raising.

    If DeSantis joins the race. What will he deliver as anti-MAGA messaging? And, how will he get that anti-MAGA message out?

    If DeSantis offends the MAGA base, he is pretty much doomed as a candidate. Many people believe that getting him to run now is actually a set-up for destruction. (1)

    DeSantis is now the favorite among many Republican voters and almost all conservative commentators for the Party presidential nomination. Such passionate advocates seem to have missed two essential points:

    • In a rigged electoral system, no Republican candidate, not even DeSantis, can be expected to win a national election. DeSantis cruised to victory in Florida because, as governor of the state, he had the means and the authority to ensure a clean election. But he would be helpless against a massive crime organization, aka the Democrat Party, which effectively controls the electoral infrastructure, the physical apparatus, the paid loyalty of election workers, and the federal agencies that oversee the process. If the system is not repaired and made answerable to the people, there will never be a Republican president again.

    • Should DeSantis run in 2024 and lose — which is increasingly likely in the current adulterated circumstances — the sequel would be devastating. Florida would be at the mercy of the next gubernatorial race since DeSantis is a unique political figure and could not be readily replaced. Additionally, DeSantis himself would have become a kind of displaced person, neither an American president nor a state governor. An invaluable political talent would have been sacrificed to the untutored enthusiasm of his supporters. If the American republican experiment is now in dire straits, it would then be expeditiously destroyed. A slim hope will have become an utter disaster.

    The best, really only, option for MAGA is to settle on Trump quickly. That leaves many months to decide to handle 2024 balloting (which may or may not be voting).

    ♦ Can it be cleaned up?
    ♦ Or, is the only choice going 100% all in on balloting for the MAGA side?

    I would prefer the former. However, I suspect that is not possible. The GOP will need its own Fultoning operation to win.
    ___

    Trump will continue to run until he obtains the result he won in 2020. If he gets that fairness, he will use up his second and last term when he leaves office in 2028.

    If the 2024 election is stolen again… Brace yourself for Trump 2028, Trump 2032, Trump, 2036, etc. The only way to achieve post-Trump MAGA is term limits. And, that means belatedly delivering a win to the man who already earned it.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://pjmedia.com/columns/david-solway-2/2022/11/11/desantis-2024-think-again-n1645202

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  182. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    The Ukie Maximalists posting here cannot be engaged on the topic. They lie repeatedly, shamelessly misrepresent facts, are willingly blind to Kiev’s war crimes, and at least one of them is dangerously mentally ill.

    There you go again, kremlinstoogeA123, trying to malign those that simply disagree with your pro-kremlin views. It’s you that’s long overdo for a nap on the shrink’s couch.

  183. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    While they are at it American political races should be settled via cage match. I feel it would improve the dignity of the political system over what we have today. Plus it would save a lot of time and provide greater entertainment value to boot!

    Celebrity Deathmatch did Lincoln versus Washington.
     

    I would happily take Trump versus Droolin Joe.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  184. @songbird

    It really sounds like a woman is singing it, but I did not realize this was Wayne Newton, which if anything weirds me out more.

    Wayne Newton might be the weirdest man in public life in the world. He set off the gaydar of a large fraction of the world. Some weird genetics but he is not a homo. Apparently he proved this to everybody in the city of Las Vegas by shagging women there at unbreakable record rates. Like 3 a day for thirty years or something that makes your weiner sore just to ponder.

    Then when he got old he got about fifty plastic surgeries on his face.

    Truly a Las Vegas icon.

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  185. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Ideally, the best way to remove Biden from politics would have been some ethical test, such as when he plagiarized the speech of some UK politician, in his earliest presidential campaign, back in the ’80s. Saving that, I think he should have been forcefully removed from politics, after having two aneurysms, before he was 50.

    IMO, Trump has lost a lot of his energy, I’m not sure anyone can think of something he said that was entertaining or bucking the status quo, in years. It was funny when he tweeted to Cher that her plastic surgery didn’t work, but that was like ten years ago, and it is kind of pathetic that people are still living in old moments like that. (BTW, doesn’t sound like he will come back to twitter).

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  186. LondonBob says:
    @Wokechoke

    That forty mile truck convoy is one of the classic distractions of all time, can’t believe how much that hypnotised the media, and NATO, as the Russian’s secured the Crimea land bridge and surrounded Mariupol.

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  187. LondonBob says:
    @silviosilver

    Argentina have been rubbish for years now, wasn’t aware Di Maria was still playing.

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  188. LondonBob says:

    So the rest of the Ukrainian electrical grid has now been taken out, surely a big Russian offensive coming shortly. The nightmare scenario has now unfolded for Europe, and the West. Plenty of chances to strike a deal, now the Russians aren’t interested, wave of refugees, economic collapse accelerating, blackouts and a decisive NATO defeat incoming. At least let us see the current ruling elite gone, rainbow flags and all.

  189. @LondonBob

    At least let us see the current ruling elite gone, rainbow flags and all.

    You are overly optimistic. Considering mass stupidity, ignorance, and cuckedness of European and American population, Western ruling elites will keep rotting in power quite a few years yet. Remember, every nation has the government it deserves. No number of Russian strikes on hapless Ukraine can make Western nations suddenly deserve something better than the clowns they have. I know, it’s disappointing, but that’s how it is.

  190. A123 says: • Website
    @LondonBob

    So the rest of the Ukrainian electrical grid has now been taken out, surely a big Russian offensive coming shortly.

    Russia is treating the residents Kiev and other cities in the same way Ukrainian regimes treated the farmers in Crimea. It is an exact parallel. Hypocritical Ukie Maximalists are upset. However, their past outrages mean they cannot obtain traction beyond their true believers.

    Why “shortly”? Let the Kiev regime run itself ragged over the winter months. Their failures providing basic goods & services will diminish support among average Ukrainian civilians. They penalty for being too late is pretty clear in Gaddafi’s tale. Zelensky is likely to bolt early. That will allow him bask in the praise and remuneration of his European Elite operators.

    If Ukraine can obtain sane leaders capable of negotiation, the bloodshed can end.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  191. @Yevardian

    I remember going through a phase of listening to Serbian ‘turbofolk

    Shit, seriously? You really enjoyed listening to that stuff? I actually hadn’t heard of any of the songs or performers you linked to. Maybe that Mauzer song I’ve heard before, but I think from someone posting a link here, not in its own day. I suppose it comes under the category of ‘turbfolk’ but it’s not what I think of as most representative of the genre. Or maybe it is, and I just don’t know what I’m talking about. I am not a fan of turbofolk but I got into it for a while in the early 2000s, and I think most of it is quite a lot better than the selections you posted. (Man, that “Srbian supermen” thing, rofl – you sure you’re not trying to embarrass me here, hmm?) There isn’t any bright dividing line between what is turbofolk and what is just Serbian pop music, and perhaps the kind that I liked (and most people liked, judging by what was listened to when I was there) is heavier on the pop (or “turbo”) than on the folk.

    On Serbian music in general, I quite like this sort of stuff too.

    I immediately recognized the singer in that clip, but it surprised me that I couldn’t remember his name – which I took as a sign of how out of touch I am with this music. If you like him, my two fave songs of his were “Rano je za tugu” and “Ostaricu necu znati” (let’s see if I have good taste lol).

    I know what you mean by the vocal style, but I have no idea about the correct musical terminology for it. You’re quite right that it’s very common. One song that immediately comes to mind that features it strongly (takes it to excess even) is Mitar Miric – Ne diraj coveka za stolom.

    This to Yahya as well, who has expressed some interest in balkans music, a rather distinctive style is Sevdah/Sevdanlinka, which is mostly Bosnian but is thought quite highly of across ex-YU. Generally melancholy themes with oriental-tinged, often rather haunting, melodies. Couple of good examples by Safet Isovic – Moj Dilbere and Sehidski rastanak.

    My own personal preference, and the only stuff I can really enjoy without getting tired of it, is ex-YU pop from the 80s. Couple of good examples, the groups “Zana” and “Magazin.”

    • Replies: @Yahya
  192. Mikel says:
    @silviosilver

    Have you ever had much personal experience with these types?

    Fortunately no. It’s very difficult to find such types IRL. But every mention of our being genetically different from them irritates Spaniards no end. You see pundits and even some politicians losing their cool at the idea. This is in part understandable after so many years of my separatists countrymen committing atrocities. That obviously generates lots of resentment (but strangely very little desire to let us go). However, this sentiment has deeper roots.

    An idea quite popular among Spanish patriots in the times before genetic studies was that “Basques were the real, original Spaniards”. To a certain extent, the current genetic understanding has proven them right. The genetic distinction between us and neighboring populations is that after the IE invasions of the Iron Age we received very little admixture from other sources so I guess we are quite representative of the population that existed in the Atlantic/Southwestern area of Europe in the early Iron Age. The mystery though is that we have the highest percentage of the R1b IE haplogroup in Europe, along with the Welsh, but we managed to keep a non-IE language.

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  193. @A123

    Russia is treating the residents Kiev and other cities in the same way Ukrainian regimes treated the farmers in Crimea.

    BTW, it is the 7th anniversary of the beginning of Ukrainian energy blockade of Crimea. During the short period of November 20-23, 2015, Ukie terrorists blew up power lines going to Crimea. That resulted in virtually total blackout. Quite a few teams doing emergency surgery in Crimean hospitals were suddenly plunged into darkness. Thanks to Russian efforts, now Crimea has a lot of its own electricity generating capability (more than it can consume), plus two high-voltage underwater cables from Krasnodar region as a backup. Hearing pathetic squeals of Ukraine residents about the loss of power, Crimeans gleefully chuckle. As the saying goes, he who laughs last, laughs best.

    If Ukraine can obtain sane leaders capable of negotiation, the bloodshed can end.

    For that Ukraine should get real leaders, not someone else’s puppets. Every nation has the government it deserves. Any reason to believe that Ukraine residents will deserve much better than they have any time soon?

    • Thanks: showmethereal
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  194. Beckow says:
    @showmethereal

    Europeans who left for three centuries were settlers. Or most of them were. Settlers are people who move to start farms, mines, trading settlements, and to plunder the natives.

    That is very different from the current Third World migrants: they come to short-cut to better life, they are not starting farms, bringing herds of cows, digging for metals. They plunder but differently: goodies from the clueless over-bred locals and petty theft. No amount of prosperity at home can change that. They are doing it out of laziness, and are the exact opposite of the Euro settlers in the past.

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  195. @A123

    Trump 2028, Trump 2032, Trump, 2036

    Somehow managed to miss the moment when he stopped aging and became immortal runner up;)

    • Replies: @A123
  196. @LondonBob

    surely a big Russian offensive coming shortly

    now they will try to take Siversk or something little bit less monumental?;)

    the most funny thing atm though is they took out the lights from those Nazis in Transnistria too, lol

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  197. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …I strongly suspect that an attempt to end this war on conditions that were acceptable before it started would cost Putin and his coterie power. He is smart enough to understand that.

    Probably true, the West fatally misread Putin and his coterie – they are the moderates, they were the ones to make a deal with. The desire to dramatize and demonize Putin, to create a Hitlerian emotional enemy has backfired.

    The only way Kiev-West can still get something like the pre-February deal is by over-performing in the war. That means they have to mindlessly escalate until they hit the wall. Again a catastrophic miscalculation: when a hurricane is offshore you don’t go and pee into it and celebrate how brave and successful you are, you get out of there.

    But these are simple minds driven by petty emotions and immediate rewards. A key component of high intelligence is to be able to anticipate – the simpletons in charge of the West seem to have no ability to think two-three steps ahead. They may take all of us down with them.

    • Agree: A123
  198. @Mikel

    Youz guys were the refugees from lost Atlantis is my favorite explanation.

    The last I saw the linguistics was inexplicable. And the genetics is captured by the empire of lies and should be ignored for the next forty years or so.

  199. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death

    Some how you managed to miss the point I was making;). Again;)

    The only way to achieve post-Trump MAGA is term limits. And, that means belatedly delivering a win to the man who already earned it.

    Read;). And, attempt to absorb these facts;)

    PEACE 😇

  200. @songbird

    (BTW, doesn’t sound like he will come back to twitter).

    He is now a direct business competition to twitter. He thinks he going to make maga bucks with truth social.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/22/trump-sec-truth-social-public-company-00070444

    I forgot this other trivia point on the Wayne Newton case. He is pro level on twenty or so different instruments. When he was selling out his casino show every night for years running he used to do numbers on the guitar, sax, piano, trumpet, accordion, + a couple others.

  201. Last night Ukrainian rockets of anti-missile defense systems (some supplied by NATO) hit two multi-apartment residential buildings, one in Kiev, another in Vyshgorod (Kiev region). Six Ukrainians were killed, many wounded. By comparison, recent killing of two Poles by Ukrainian anti-missile rocket was not so bad, after all.

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  202. @sudden death

    the most funny thing atm though is they took out the lights from those Nazis in Transnistria too, lol

    That was because parts of the unified electric grid made by the USSR on its European territory still remain. Neither Ukraine, nor Moldova added much after the collapse of the USSR. They still live on the legacy of those “damn commies”, lol.

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  203. Coconuts says:
    @Beckow

    It never works that way. It will more likely be to the last scrap of whiteness that can be located, it must be exterminated because it reminds the others how inadequate they are. And most of the really nasty stuff will be done by the whites to themselves – that one I can’t explain, and no God could explain it.

    Well, this is the less optimistic possibility. I am hoping these tendencies abate, but there is the possibility that they won’t, or that they won’t in time. If something like this happens the best explanation may be the ‘mouse utopia’ one, where some sort of mismatch between living conditions and evolutionary norms produces lots of people with serious psychological flaws.

    There is no justice in the universe or nature, buying into the silly concept of who is more just, more deserving, means that you have already lost.

    I think it used to be better understood, one side of justice is about reciprocal duty and obligation, but the other side of justice is power and authority used to pursue excellence or the good. To be just a certain level of power and ability is needed, and to recognise it people need to share some understanding of what a good life is. Imo this is why appeals to justice that are too abstract have this empty quality.

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  204. @AnonfromTN

    Should better try explain this to rocketry experts in Kremlin, cause they seem to not know those basic facts about intergrid connections in those places, not me;)

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  205. @sudden death

    Should better try explain this to rocketry experts in Kremlin, cause they seem to not know those basic facts about intergrid connections in those places

    I am sure they know, but decided that it cannot be helped. It appears that their objective it to damage power and transport infrastructure in Ukraine enough to prevent it moving its troops and Western weapons and ammo. The war is more than nine months old, but Russia did not target Ukrainian power and transport infrastructure until NATO started sending large amounts of military materiel to Ukraine. Actions have consequences.

    • Agree: showmethereal
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    , @Jazman
  206. Sher Singh says:

    @songbird Catholics were cucked by love marriage & executing criminals.
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/147470491501300114

    A belief in the Rule of Law, rather than the Gods doesn’t help.
    A distant authority bringing order to the world, rather than a personal chaos shaping reality.

    https://www.academia.edu/1549528/2_The_Christian_origins_of_secularism_and_the_rule_of_law

    Won’t really say much more, not my problem tbh.

    [MORE]

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  207. @AnonfromTN

    too much lazy atm to be searching old posts but it seems 8-6 months ago both you and Beckow were posting frequently how RF is certainly succesful at merciless/precise/lightning/constant/relentless destruction of all the incoming foreign mercennaries, weapons and ammo straight at the grounds near the western UA borders and elsewhere inside;)

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  208. Matra says:
    @silviosilver

    If you’ve honestly never heard of Athletico Bilbao though, they’re actually one of the most successful teams in Spanish club soccer, and they’ve managed that feat despite (or maybe because of?) their policy of using only Basque players.

    Just to be clear it means the players must come from the Basque country, and they might be flexible about what that means. I don’t know if you even have to be born there or can join a club as kid straight from Africa and be classified as Basque. Last time I saw them play they had one black player. Tracing his DNA would tell not solve any puzzles about Basque origins.

    But I can understand why ‘purist’ fans – which soccer is chock full of – would be put off by the changes.

    I’m anything but a purist but the Americanisation of sports is mostly a bad thing. (Though I noticed you Aussies were quicker to embrace that in rugby league and other sports than the Brits, maybe ‘colonials’ are more open to change). Even in Canada many older hockey people prefer watching IIHF sanctioned games that can have ties (unless they’ve changed that) and end in two hours because they don’t have TV timeouts like the wretched NHL. Everything in post-1960s America is a big bloated production full of hype, overwrought sentimentality, not to mention the worshipping of black people.

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    , @A123
    , @Mikel
  209. @sudden death

    it seems 8-6 months ago both you and Beckow were posting frequently how RF is certainly succesful at merciless/precise/lightning/constant/relentless destruction of all the incoming foreign mercennaries, weapons and ammo straight at the grounds near the western UA borders and elsewhere inside

    I am not sure, but it does not matter. Active war is going on. The situation often changes in 6-8 days, let alone 6-8 months. My personal (uninformed) opinion is that early on Putin overestimated the common sense of NATO planners. He did not expect NATO to get involved to the extent that it is now. The situation on the ground changed, so did the strategy.

    BTW, do you remember Western propaganda saying back in March that Russia is running out of cruise missiles? One Russian commenter recently wrote about current strikes, “it’s good that we ran out of cruise missiles back in March, otherwise we’d be blamed for those strikes”. Good trolling, no?

  210. Gotras also break off with population expansion or re-combine at times.

    Jatts overall are 40% Steppe which tracks closely with the R1A percentage.
    So make your own estimates of Guru ka Malwa.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  211. @Matra

    Tracing his DNA would tell not solve any puzzles about Basque origins.

    Hehe, nicely put. Of course, it would hardly come as a shock if it turns out they have cucked on the original rule. My point about their impressive record still stands though, since most of it was amassed prior to the age of diversity and woke fuckery.

    Neither version of rugby is popular where I live and I never got into it, so I can’t comment about any rule changes. Actually, I’m pretty sure I don’t even know any of the rules. On the few brief occasions I have seen it on TV, I have no idea what is going on. Come to think of it, I doubt I’ve ever met more than three or four people my entire life who claim to be fans of it. I am pretty sociable and I like making chitchat about sportsball with strangers, so that’s a bit of anecdotal evidence of how unpopular it is here. It’s huge in other parts of the country though.

    The rule changes in Australian rules football have been subtle but have mainly helped the game flow more smoothly, but also softened it up a bit so there are fewer serious injuries, which originally displeased some of the old timers but even they have probably gotten over it by now. The only innovation I dislike is the score review, which is painfully slow and boring and a huge buzzkill. As if the drama of the game depends in any way on the umpires making precisely the correct call every time. If anything, the opposite is true – a dramatic wrong call will give fans something to talk about for years after the match.

    Oh, and female football commentators. Geezus. Ideology over reality yet again. As if listening to a chick babble on with her worthless opinion doesn’t wreck the atmosphere of a bunch of boys getting together to watch a game. I doubt even female footy fans (of which there are plenty) really enjoy listening to a woman announcer. If anti-sportsballers really wants to hurt professional sporstball, they should be pushing for much, much more of this.

    Say, you remember that poster “Fred Scrooby” from the MR days? A real sourpuss, he was. He certainly had it in for me. I bet even he’d admit I’ve come a long, long way since then though. You ever come across him anywhere since then? I remember he had an account here, under a different name, around the time of this site’s inception. I forget the username he had, but he had made his posts private anyway. If you know of his online whereabouts, do let me know, thanks. If nothing else, I at least owe him an apology.

    • Replies: @Matra
  212. A123 says: • Website
    @Matra

    Americanisation of sports is mostly a bad thing

    Europization is also pretty bad. Germany had this as a pregame team photo.

     

     

    Then they promptly lost 2-1 to Japan. I do not know how they made themselves sick, but some Euro SJW ritual was likely to blame. Were they sucking on Tide pods?
    ___

    Advertising on uniforms is also much more dramatic in Europe.

     

     

    How long has Fly Emirates FC been a team? Oh. Wait. That is supposed to be Arsenal FC. Sorry for the confusion.

    When will Tampax sponsor a team?

    PEACE 😇

  213. Beckow says:
    @Coconuts

    mouse utopia:’ mismatch between living conditions and evolutionary norms produces lots of people with serious psychological flaws.

    That is the core problem. It is hard to be optimistic about it abating because the change in living conditions would have to be very disruptive. With massive numbers of people involved it would be very unpredictable.

    …the other side of justice is power and authority used to pursue excellence or the good.

    There is a conscious effort to undermine anything excellent or extraordinary. There is a hint of the Marxist egalitarianism in it, but without any concern with the material life. The single-minded focus on material life is what made the original Marxism appealing and successful. What we get now is a race to the egalitarian cultural bottom with low-quality material goods to make it palatable. When the goods run out it will get ugly.

  214. @Yahya

    Soccer is similar to chasing girls, you need to fit some basic level of requirements, beyond that it depends more on confidence, je ne sais quoi. Latin guys usually fit the stereotype, hence the term “Romance”. This is also true in basketball where Spain/Argentina routinely beat black teams.

    Two of the top ten current players are MENA, but historically e.g. Zidane, Özil, play for European national teams.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/dec/21/the-100-best-male-footballers-in-the-world-2021

    East Asians are historically the least confident. Japs and Koreans are better. PRC Chinese are not only bottom feeders, they drag down the reputation of everyone else.

    But unlike India, China is a powerhouse in wide range of Olympic sports, so there is an incongruence.

    *Indians probably have some genetic limitation, but an Indian guy won gold in javelin which is a well-rounded sport, so who knows.

    Some simple reasons is EA is much more dense than everywhere else, so less soccer fields. EAs have a much more demanding education system so less time.

    Japan and South Korea oddly seem to outgun China on almost every cultural endeavor

    strikes me as a materialistic and self-abasing

    Self-abasing is the main reason. The Chinese term is 茶毒 chá dú meaning “spiritually poison/maim”. It’s very typically in education and parenting to brainwash kids they are only fit to do such and such.

    This was a big deal in sports history. The reaction of many Chinese was actually self-abasing and negative, not only do they lack confidence they want to drag down and discredit those who succeed,

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-streak-is-broken-chinas-su-bingtian-is-fastest-qualifier-in-race-to-be-the-worlds-fastest-man/

    a language that shapes thinking through epigrams; and 4,000 years of texts that suggest everything worth saying has already been said, and said better by earlier writers.

    This isn’t the problem, the best testimony for hanzi is that the Japanese uses it.

    PRC is strong in top-down organisation thus its very capable in Olympic sports, so I’m still very bullish on China’s industrial development, but I’m much less bullish on PRC’s soft power, charisma and team sports performance.

    Enjoy your perspective btw.

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  215. Matra says:
    @A123

    The LGBT flag is as American as the Stars & Stripes. Everywhere you see it you know you are in the American Empire.

    • Replies: @A123
  216. @Yahya

    Comparing China to South Korea and Japan in football is easy. China started playing the game on a grass roots level much much later. Once China started to focus on summer Olympic sports it passed Japan in medals. Now it passed everyone except the US and almost beat the US. Now that if focuses on Winter Olympic sports it beat Japan and South Korea. That’s with about 8 years of work. Football the Chinese women beat other Asians. Why the men don’t is another matter. As to culture – don’t go by what westerners tell you. They boost Korea and Japan because they are western Allies.

    But back to football – in 20 years China will do much better. But will it win? I have doubts. Same with basketball- China is getting better (it’s the second most popular sport) but there are certain physical attributes that just aren’t in the gene pool as readily. China will produce more Jeremy Lins than they will Yao Ming. Meaning Jeremy Lin was pretty good but not an “all star”. Yao Ming was a Hall of Famer. Same will happen with football in my mind. A could of Chinese have made it to top European leagues…. Like Koreans and Japanese before. But I doubt they become too 10. Top 20 is more realistic.

    Ironically Japan beat Germany 2-1. Completely shocking. But don’t expect Japan to win the tournament. And don’t expect them to repeatedly beat Germany either in the future.

    And Germany has been one of the best in the world for 100 years. They are NOT known for flair players though. Football is a multi faceted sport. Brazil and Germany have won the most World Cups between them and yet play completely differently! Italy has won the 3rd most and again plays completely differently. They were always thought of as a more defensive side with rarely having flair players either. Germany was always thought of for their machine like efficiency. It is Brazil that is know for flair and creativity. Only the Dutch and Argentines have been though of to have as much flair and creativity. Argentina has won more than the Dutch though. Again – very complex

  217. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Soccer is similar to chasing girls

    Have to disagree. Chasing girls is natural (we are mammals, after all), whereas soccer is not. Besides, British word “football” describes it better, whereas American football is a misnomer: as the name implies, you are supposed to manage the ball with your feet, not hands.

    The only similarity is that self-confidence helps in both, but it helps in pretty much everything people do.

  218. Matra says:
    @silviosilver

    Fred Scrooby from Vermont. No, I haven’t come across him anywhere since MR days. Guessedworker suggested once or twice that he may have died. GW said Scrooby came up with the term ‘race replacement’, not to be confused with ‘the great replacement’ which a Frenchman came up with.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  219. @Coconuts

    You have a good point. And that is another good reason as to why Russia would not be open to mass migration. There is no reason to migrate somewhere if you can’t eventually “get the vote”. But those guys are being facetious. They see the flaws in the system for those who are proponents of western nationalism. On the flip side Russia – nor China – are the ones who colonized African nations. So they don’t speak Russian nor Chinese. They speak French and Belgian and English etc.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Coconuts
  220. @LondonBob

    The crazy thing is they thought Russia was that stupid as to have a long convoy of trucks to take Kiev with no protection.

  221. @showmethereal

    They speak French and Belgian and English

    There is no such thing as Belgian language. Three languages are spoken in Belgium: French, Dutch (Flemish), and German. Most of the population speaks the first two. However, Belgians are smart enough to make all three spoken languages official (unlike some morons we all know).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @showmethereal
  222. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …Belgians are smart enough to make all three spoken languages official (unlike some morons we all know).

    But not smart enough to even acknowledge it in Ukraine with Russians. Why is that? Is there a hierarchy of smarts and killing Russians is the ultimate value? AP has argued incoherently a few times about Bretons and the quasi-fascist Balts, but at least he has some awareness – the Belgians like that flat-footed pedo Michel simply deny the nose between their eyes.

    By the way, there are fewer than 50k Germans in Belgium with full cultural and linguistic rights – the things Germany did to Belgium in two wars are incomparably worse than anything Ukies accuse the “Imperium” of doing…

  223. @A123

    The German team seems to be aping the

    Speak no Evil

    pose. This is purportedly a protest to the Qatar hosts prohibiting rainbow arm bands.

    There isn’t anything in the See/Hear/Speak no evil triad which precisely maps to Wear No Evil Advertising on the Upper Arm.

    Sailer asks how gay is soccer and nobody in the comments had an answer to the question of how many current professional soccer players are out of the closet. They are men. 1-3% are homos. How many of them are out and how many of them are in the closet?

    Nobody is actually proud to be a homo. It is utterly bizarre that multi millions have been sucked into an empire of lies propaganda scam.

    Related toy problem: what is the correlation between people who think homos are fine and people who think the corona virus is worth taking the stupid experimental RNA treatment to fight?

  224. @Matra

    I just remembered after I posted that I first came across him at Takimag, back when they still had a comments section. He was using the same username which he later made an account with here at Unz, but I could tell by the posting style and post content that it was him. Not sure if you care, but if you don’t already know, Leon Haller posts at counter currents as “Lord Shang.” He usually had something useful and interesting to say, although he had a surprisingly large number of detractors (who I felt were idiots). I sometimes get the feeling he’s at the end of his tether. Not sure why he never migrated over here.

    Yes ‘race replacement’ is on the money, forces the issue like nothing else I’ve known, leaving little to no room for misdirection. Sad to say, it’s about the only thing of lasting significance that emerged from all those lengthy discussions over there. Unfortunately, it’s a bit too good for its own good. Unable to rebut it, people play dumb, clam up or attempt to cancel you. That still makes for a useful litmus test though. Anybody who freaks out over it, it’s as reliable a sign as any that they’re not really on board. ‘Great replacement’ is more useful for being vaguer, but it enables the bullshit artists to swarm, and if they gain sway it comes to mean anything and everything but race.

  225. keypusher says:
    @A123

    Pretty early in his presidency it was clear that Trump was strictly for suckers. You’re still banging his drum. Did you go into mourning when Michael Jackson kicked the bucket? Do you believe that real communism has never been tried?

    • LOL: A123
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  226. A123 says: • Website
    @Matra

    The LGBT flag is as American as the Stars & Stripes. Everywhere you see it you know you are in the American Empire.

    Whaaat??? Let me Fix That For You

    The LGBT flag is as Muslim as the Crescent & Star. Everywhere you see it you know you are in the Islamophile European Empire. Or, European Caliphate if you prefer.

    Look at this Jihadist troop transport carrying Muslim invaders to Europe.

     

     

    The Bacha Bāzī LGBT flag is prominent. Also, the flag of the Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa, which was founded in Europe.

    You need to blame Europe and sexually deviant Islam for the rainbow flag.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  227. A123 says: • Website
    @keypusher

    Your strawmanning and lies are quite pathetic.

    You really should stop unless you want to be viewed as comic relief.

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       We are not laughing with you!
          We are all laughing at you!
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    PEACE 😇

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  228. @AnonfromTN

    But American football vs. soccer illustrates my point, the former is very planned set-piece that requires knowledge of a much more complex playbook. There’s much less flair and spontaneity.

    The quarterback is the most complex and difficult position in all of sports, and it’s dominated by northern Euros.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nfl-draft-physiognomy-clemson-ice-age-caveman-1-vs-byu-anglo-nice-guy-2/

    So it happens Slavs are overrepresented in QB, coaches as well as positions that require size, speed and physicality: tight end and defensive end

    https://kafkadesk.org/2021/01/23/nfl-the-slavic-connection-in-american-football/

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @LatW
  229. @showmethereal

    You obviously don’t know jack squat about sports so should STFU:

    – China can produce another Yao or Lin, but China cannot to produce a Steve Nash or Manu Ginobili, a moderately athletic guy who’s not even that tall but has high basketball IQ

    – Japan almost made it in 2018 to the quarterfinals and just barely lost to Belgium. Today wasn’t a major surprise

    – Japan is already top 10 in another major team sport, rugby

    – The Japanese team had a major size disadvantage vs. Germany, but made up for it in speed and tenacity

    – The Chinese team has no size disadvantage, yet they still suck because they a bunch of overpaid egotistical pansies

  230. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Your comments show clear anti-Chinese bias, most common among Japanese. FYI, that feeling is mutual: most Chinese hate Japanese (although Chinese in the US usually buy Japanese cars).

  231. Matra says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan is already top 10 in another major team sport, rugby

    Many their players are barely or not even Japanese. If you watched the last World Cup you know that.

    Also, everyone on earth who follows rugby knows that the sport has always been dominated by the three main Southern Hempishere countries plus England and France, and being very generous based on their performances over the last 40 years I’ll include Ireland, Wales, and Argentina. After them all you have is Scotland (population 6 million), Italy (never very good) and a few minuscule Pacific islands like Tonga and Fiji. Getting into the top ten with such competitors is hardly a major accomplishment for a country of way over 120 million people, though I’ll grant you that they have got better over the decades.

    From what I can tell the best sport for East Asians is baseball with Japan and S. Korea always doing well at the World Baseball Classic, exporting players to MLB, and having strong domestic leagues. They’re not likely to get much better at soccer.

  232. songbird says:
    @showmethereal

    Same with basketball- China is getting better (it’s the second most popular sport)

    After that commercial where LeBron Jones played one-on-one against a dragon (the symbol of China) and won, they should have arrested everyone involved in promoting basketball in China and shot them in the back of the head.

    (I must specify that this is a joke.)

  233. Mikel says:
    @Matra

    Just to be clear it means the players must come from the Basque country, and they might be flexible about what that means.

    Quite true. Right now there is a French guy, Aymeric Laporte, playing for Spain in the World Cup. He was born somewhere in Aquitaine but the Athletic de Bilbao detectives found that 2 of his grandparents were from the French Basque Country so they recruited him as a teenager. Then he decided to get a Spanish passport and now may end up playing against his country of origin. Athletic’s rule of only using local players used to be much more serious in the past.

  234. songbird says:
    @Sher Singh

    Sikhism would seem to prescribe that Justin Trudeau grow his hair even longer and look even more like a tranny. IMO, the only solution to the Justin Trudeaus of the world is to give them buzzcuts.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
  235. @Emil Nikola Richard

    It’s all fake. Real Chinese martial arts is sanda, Tatar wrestling plus kickboxing. Not native to China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanda_(sport)

  236. Mikhail says: • Website

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  237. @AnonfromTN

    Chinese are now the populous minority group in Japan. Whereas Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese, I saw that after Pelosi’s landing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Japan

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  238. @Matra

    What percent of English rugby team is native English?

    There’s untapped talent if Chinese (or better yet Mongols) get into rugby

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_Summer_Olympics

  239. songbird says:

    If Russians are enthusiastic enough about a raccoon* to make it a mascot for paratroopers (rumor is they took one from the Kherson zoo), think of how much more enthusiastic they would be about a wooly, giant sloth, or giant beaver.

    *considered a pest animal in America. It raids the garbage, attacks cats, and can carry rabies.
    _____
    I feel that all these games where an animal (octopus, otter, parrot…) prophesies who will win the world cup by selecting the flag of certain teams is meant to be a subtle critique on democracy.

  240. Mikel says:
    @A123

    Speaking of laughs, yesterday I read this piece at Takimag and I thought of you:

    https://www.takimag.com/article/midterm-for-the-worse-part-ii-these-firsts-shall-be-our-last/

    I don’t think you’re going to like it and I don’t agree with every single point myself but Cole is always sharp and funny and you definitely need to read different points of view outside of the informational bubble you seem to be in.

    • Replies: @A123
  241. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel

    Speaking of laughs, yesterday I read this piece at PJ Media and I thought of you:

    https://pjmedia.com/columns/david-solway-2/2022/11/11/desantis-2024-think-again-n1645202

    I don’t think you’re going to like it and I don’t agree with every single point myself but Solway is sharp. You definitely need to read different points of view outside of the #NeverTrump bubble you seem to be in.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mikel
  242. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Whereas Russians on surface are friendly but are actually contemptuous towards Chinese

    A lot of things I know contradict this strange assertion. In fact, my smartest post-doc (out of >10) was Chinese, as was one of the two of my smartest graduate students. Both now hold faculty positions in the US universities. Chinese undergrad I have right now in the lab is among the three best (out of >50) undergrads I ever had. But I am sure I am not a representative example of Russians.

    What about more representative Russians? In the RF Far East, where Chinese live alongside Russians, Chinese say that Russians are the only white people who treat them as equals. There is a fair number of intermarriages there. More often than not both parties feel good about those marriages years later.

    I observed contemptuous attitude towards Chinese only in Indonesia and Malaysia. This was directed towards Chinese and Japanese tourists. My impression was that locals felt that white tourists are within their rights, whereas Chinese and Japanese are impostors, behaving like tourists while having no right to.

    BTW, if you believe what you read in wiki, I have a bridge to sell you.

  243. @AnonfromTN

    Thanks. Chinese of course excel academically, but continue to be narrowly focused. I see this in my area where Chinese hit a ceiling easily but don’t have the soft skills to move higher, on top of that some indeed have integrity issues.

    In PRC, Chinese put up little resistance to horrific Zero Covid measures. In the US these “anti-Asian” attacks are almost entirely against Chinese who are perceived as easy marks. Then the StopAsianHate scam is entirely a Chinese American thing. To me all this is related to Chinese being generally effeminate and unathletic. On top of that they attribute this to genetics so don’t even try.

    most Chinese hate Japanese

    There’s a material minority of independent thinking Chinese who feel the opposite.

    anti-Chinese bias, most common among Japanese

    This is misunderstood. Jackie Chan made a movie Shinjuku Incident where he’s an illegal immigrant to Japan. He joins the criminal underclass, where all the Chinese pretended to be brothers but in the end all backstabbed each other. The only protagonist was the Japanese detective.

    The most memorable line was:

    日本人不偷東西,就以為別人也不偷,真傻

    The Japanese don’t steal, and therefore think no one else would, so gullible

    • Replies: @songbird
  244. @AnonfromTN

    There’s a selection bias, most STEM Chinese in US are from the coastal south, 江南 Jiangnan, which entered into Chinese history later.

    Unfortunately, the Cradle of Chinese Civilization, 中原 Zhongyuan, in modern times, is about as underdeveloped as the Cradle of Western Civilization, Greece.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhongyuan

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  245. Mikel says:
    @A123

    As it happens, I had already read that piece somewhere else. That’s the difference between the two of us and what I referred to when I mentioned your bubble. Don’t you have any better argument for everything that has happened and will happen than the allegedly rigged elections that nonetheless no Republican candidate has contested? Why support the Trump candidacy or any other if the elections are going to be rigged and the Republicans that have a majority of state governors are unable to do anything about it? Why is Trump even trying to be elected again if you guys are right and the Democrats have the power to win the next elections through fraud?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @silviosilver
  246. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    BTW, if you believe what you read in wiki, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Saying “if you believe what you read in wiki” is like saying “if you believe what you read in magazines”. Which magazines? The ones that talk about food recipes or the ones that talk about politics? And which sections in those magazines? The opinion pieces or the column about upcoming events? Discarding all of Wikipedia because there is bias in certain entries is like discarding the contents of a whole dictionary because it includes woke words and definitions.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  247. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    most STEM Chinese in US are from the coastal south

    Come to think of it, most are. But I had one pretty good and productive post-doc from Xinjiang (she is Han Chinese). However, she got her PhD from Fudan university in Shanghai. The smartest one was from the South, but not the coast. Grad student was from a smallish (by Chinese standards) city near Shanghai, close to Suzhou. Did not ask the undergrad where she is from.

    The thing about wiki stands.

  248. @Mikel

    Everything that concerns politics, political geography, economics, and history in wiki ranges from lies to blatant lies. Usually heavily censored. What you read about chemical compounds, nucleic acids, and proteins tends to be true. Likely other non-political items, too (did not check them out).

    • Agree: showmethereal
  249. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel

    Why are you desperately trying to sweep under the rug the election fraud that is being contested?

    How could you miss it?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/top-arizona-election-official-moved-undisclosed-location

    Did you also miss these?

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/23/kari-lake-provides-update-on-status-of-arizona-botched-election-lawsuits/

     



    Video Link
     

    The difference between you and I is simple. I follow facts. I call the objective truth that vote fraud is real.

    Your closed mind is centered on #NeverTrump histrionics, fiction, and blind faith in the Fake Stream Media. Believing Rachel Maddow is a terrible mental dysfunction on your part.

     

     

    Why do you insist on submission to Not-The-President Biden? Is he really worth of 4 more years? Trying to create a insurrection guaranteed to fail is giving Chuck Schumer exactly what he wants.

    Can you not see this blindingly obvious reality?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Mikel
  250. @A123

    Why are you desperately trying to sweep under the rug the election fraud

    I like posting jokes. Here are two American ones.

    When the guy learned that his in-laws voted for Biden, he got so pissed that stopped visiting their graves.

    My father was a lifelong Republican supporter. But after he died, he started voting for Democrats.

    • Replies: @A123
  251. songbird says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Couple days ago, I spoke to a Chinese doctor, who had all these woke badges on him. BLM, he/him, a rainbow lanyard, and I forget what else. It is only now just occurring to me that he was probably from HK. I didn’t think of it at first because his name was very Chinese.

  252. Mikel says:
    @A123

    So you have managed to find one (1) Republican candidate out of hundreds that is going for a recount but, as expected, no answer to my very simple questions.

    If you think that Takimag is MSM or somehow equivalent to the Maddow show you must have started too early with the bourbon this long weekend. Take it easy, there’s plenty of time ahead. Happy thanksgiving anyway. Stay well.

    • LOL: A123
  253. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    I like posting jokes. Here are two American ones.

    When the guy learned that his in-laws voted for Biden, he got so pissed that stopped visiting their graves.

    My father was a lifelong Republican supporter. But after he died, he started voting for Democrats.

    Sadly, your “jokes” are 100% accurate:

      

    The fraud Mikel embraces is undeniably obvious. That leaves two options:

    -1- Fix the issue.
    -2- Replicate the issue on unprecedented scale.

    If you or Mikel have a credible path to #1 please share it.

    Failing that, the 2020 precedent of Fultoning will apply to 2024. Counting & Balloting will be more important than voting.

    PEACE 😇

  254. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird

    Why should I hate trudeau?

    Classical liberalism is about internalizing public opinion & reducing harm.
    He does that admirably, and is a good representation of White culture.

    As a White Nationalist, I can bear no ill will against justeen Trudeau.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Jatt Aryaa
  255. @Matra

    They’re not likely to get much better at soccer.

    Why not though? Surely it’s partly a function of how popular the sport is. So if today it’s starting from a low base (I have no idea if it is), then it’s not unreasonable to expect substantial improvement. Even in a worst case scenario of demographic decline in coming decades, say a 50% drop, it’s still a sizeable population. (And nowhere else besides Africa is going to grow much, to the extreme detriment of all of us, of course…)

    Regarding race and sport, there’s obviously a relationship, but it’s difficult to tease out the various causal factors behind various countries’ success. Not saying this to brag (maybe a little, hehe), but has any country dominated any sport as thoroughly as Serbia dominates water polo? (Argentina maybe with polo polo?) They, like Croats, also punch above their weight in more popular sports, like soccer, basketball, handball and volleyball. But are Serbs and Croats really physically that different to, say, Hungarians or Austrians or, a bit further afield, Poles, who are notable mostly for their lack of sporting success? Maybe the answer is: they have better things to do with their time, such as build prosperous economies. Then again, Australia has long kicked ass in sport (just not the ones I tend to care about) and this doesn’t seem to have been an obstacle to achieving enviable prosperity.

  256. @Mikel

    Do you find it completely implausible that there may have been decisive election shenanigans? If you find it implausible, consider the kind of people who would be engaged in the shenanigans: antifa-supporting leftards, 1000% in favor open borders, who have no qualms about (and list of justifications as long as your arm for) blatant anti-white discrimination, etc. For these people, America as it has thus far existed is nothing but an obstacle to their “progressive” program (ie transforming the country into “Los Esclavos Unidos”), which they are impatient as hell to implement. Do they strike as you the kind of people who would give the flyingest of fucks about staid “white supremacist” notions of election integrity? Personally, I think all this is perfectly plausible, but I’m not yet prepared to say it’s definitely happening.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Mikel
  257. LondonBob says:
    @AnonfromTN

    NATO air defense systems have never been found to work, given the importance of missiles this is a massive flaw.

  258. LondonBob says:
    @silviosilver

    Plenty of evidence of voter fraud has been found, long dead people in Michigan requesting and returning ballots, counting stopping, implausible one hundred percent to Biden vote dumps, ballot stuffing, election security measures gutted, expansion of mail voting, election results deviating from opinion polling, long established correlations in vote patterns breaking down in some places but not in others, voting machines breaking in Republican areas, people who didn’t vote being told they voted etc.

  259. LondonBob says:
    @A123

    Strange to put their hands over their mouths, in most countries in the West you can’t criticise the sodomists, unlike in Qatar.

  260. @German_reader

    There are Somalis in Finland.

    Unless the rules have changed in the last few years, Finland has a “free” University Education to ALL (native or foreign) if you can speak Finnish. Naturally, many people from less fortunate places learn Finnish and go to Finland to get a free education.

    As for your rambling on about immigration…..in general, emigration occurs because the home country has no opportunities. China and Russia are working to fix this problem in Africa unlike the West which just loots.

  261. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Dogs are great but they eat shit.

    There is a simple reason dogs eat shit. Shit contains beneficial bacteria for the gut. In ancient times, humans who destroyed their gut bacteria and fell ill because their gut was not absorbing nutrients were given shit from a person with a healthy gut. Today we eat yogurt.

    Processed dog food is not the natural diet dogs should be eating. This can destroy their useful bacteria. Humans don’t do well eating only processed food.

  262. @AnonfromTN

    I receive your correction. I was eating and drinking and watching multi cultural Belgium beat multi cultural Canada as I typed the comment – LOL. Should have read “the languages of their colonizers such as the French – Belgians – English etc”

  263. They, like Croats, also punch above their weight in more popular sports, like football, basketball, handball and volleyball. But are Serbs and Croats really physically that different to, say, Hungarians or Austrians

    Yes. The most underreported story in sports of the 21st century is extreme Balkan overperformance, particularly once you adjust for per capita. I suspect part of it is height advantage.

    How height helps in basketball, volleyball or handball is all self-explanatory. Football is a more interesting case. The cope used to be that tall players aren’t as technically proficient as short ones but Zlatan demolished that myth.

    Nordic countries are bad at football because we don’t have the climate for it, even Denmark is a bit too cold. But it can’t be the only explanation. Zlatan grew up in Sweden yet still became a world-class player. So there must be something different apart from height that affects these things.

    What’s incomprehensible to me is the bizarre obsession with football in Sweden given this fact. The Norwegians have correctly adapted their sporting bets after their climate constraints. As a result, they dominate the Winter Olympics because they understand which sports they should focus on to maximise results. Sweden has the climate of Scandinavia but the pretensions of Iberia.

    [MORE]

    One could of course have added tennis to your list. One of the world’s best players is Djokovic, who is obviously from the Balkans and tall at 188 cm.

    If we look at the four guys ranking above him, they are all above 183 cm, with the Greek guy being 193 cm(!) . The two Spainards are both significantly taller than the Spanish national average.

    https://www.atptour.com/en/rankings/singles

    The apparent height advantage in many sports is underdiscussed and underexplored. It cannot be the single explanation – things like climate, pro-sports culture etc all matter – but it must be a part of the whole answer. I suspect Balkans outperform because they do well on all three factors in combination.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  264. @silviosilver

    The probability of making a good living playing sports is extremely low. Almost as bad as playing the lottery. When a class of people is exceptionally good at a sport it invariably is a signal of desperation.

    Classic example is negroes and basketball.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  265. @dogbumbreath

    I totally agree that healthy dogs ought to eat shit.

    My point is that it is disgusting to snuggle with a dog. If the house is that chilly you need to turn up the thermostat.

    (Obviously if you are an eskimo you get an excuse.)

  266. songbird says:

    This Thanksgiving I will be making many Erdogan-themed jokes. I figure politics is safe, once you cross the Bosporus.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  267. @dogbumbreath

    “Processed dog food is not the natural diet dogs should be eating. This can destroy their useful bacteria.”

    Hello, fellow friend of dog. Don’t forget to remind the dog skeptics that not all dogs eat poop. And they take to frequent baths more readily than cats. Also, no one expects a person to kiss a dog. The dog will forgive a human for this slight because that is the dog’s nature.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  268. @LondonBob

    Huh? Argentina just won the Copa America and made the WC final as recently as 2014…. Had Higuan been remotely clinical they would have beaten Germany soundly

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  269. @AnonfromTN

    It is impressive what they were able to do in Crimea. Also impressive that even through 8 years of shelling I’ve watched videos of lots of normal life in cities and town of the Donbass. Also impressive is how quickly Mariupol is being rebuilt. I admit – Russia has more civil industry resources than I thought previously.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @AnonfromTN
  270. @Beckow

    They became “settlers” (a pretty word for invaders) because they thought they could find a better life outside of Europe. Same thing. Strange though you call it laziness. I don’t see whites doing any of the menial jobs. And i recall from first hand accounts and reading literature – the same descriptions you use of these third world ppl are the same things Irish and Italians were greeted with when they arrived on the shores of the USA. They were called thieves and lazy and dumb and with evil catholic beliefs. But now they are all part of white solidarity. Strange how that works. As to what’s happening in Europe- all that mass migration is a result of former colonialism as well as active destabilizing actions taken by NATO in the last 30 years. In fact Ghaddaffi warned Europe. NATO chose to aid his murderers anyway.

  271. Beckow says:
    @showmethereal

    …how quickly Mariupol is being rebuilt

    The active rebuilding says it all: Russia plans to win and stay. They wouldn’t do it if they were tentative. US never invested in rebuilding Iraq – they knew the score, they knew it was not winnable. Or later in Libya and Syrian regions it controlled…

    A nuclear super-power has signaled in every possible way that it is in the war to win. Nato decided to make it as painful and bloody as possible hoping for an internal collapse in Russia. You don’t have to be a genius to figure out how this will play out: after lots of blood Russia will get what it wants. Kiev will become a defeated backwater with most of the population gone or about to leave.

    West will forever claim that they prevented Russia from reaching their maximum goals: if Russia takes Odessa, they will say ‘but look, they don’t have Kiev or Lviv’. If Russia takes Galicia, they will say “but we kept them from getting Poland!“…etc…who is the winner? The country that won on the ground or people who can’t think straight and live in silly self-delusions and by lying?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  272. @showmethereal

    It is impressive what they were able to do in Crimea.

    Russia has more civil industry resources than I thought previously.

    Yes, but there is downside: Russia spent a lot of resources in Crimea, and now is and will be spending even more rebuilding Donbass. I saw a lot of construction going on in and near Lugansk with my own eyes in October. Crimea left the madhouse and joined Russia w/o a single shot fired. While the industry there, like in the rest of Ukraine, was obsolete (mostly Soviet-built before 1991 and exploited into the ground by greedy oligarchs) and needed massive investment to bring it to the current Russian level, at least residential housing remained serviceable. A lot of housing in Donbass, not only in Mariupol, was heavily damaged, and needs to be rebuilt. Plus, there are almost twice as many residents in Donbass as in Crimea.

    Watching Putin’s actions (while having no inside info), I suspect that one of the problems he and his team are trying to solve is how to reformat Ukraine w/o taking on 25 million freeloaders. After all, huge numbers of parasites broke the economic back of the USSR. He does not want this to happen to the RF. I cannot think of a viable solution, but I hope they can.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  273. @Emil Nikola Richard

    When a class of people is exceptionally good at a sport it invariably is a signal of desperation.

    Are you suggesting that Serbs go into water polo for the money? Lol.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  274. @Thulean Friend

    things like climate, pro-sports culture etc all matter – but it must be a part of the whole answer.

    Did something change in Spain this respect? If we date the adoption of mass participation in sports to after WWII, Spain was nowhere to be seen for the longest time. Then all of a sudden they started wining everything.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    , @LondonBob
  275. Mikel says:
    @silviosilver

    Do you find it completely implausible that there may have been decisive election shenanigans?

    The key words there are completely and decisive.

    I know for a fact that there must be some fraud because I see with my eyes every election that things like voter authentication are a joke. But regarding the 2020 elections, the likelihood of fraud of various kinds having a decisive impact in the results is very unlikely, to say the least. At the beginning, the fraud cases brought forward by the Trumpists looked quite plausible to me but in retrospect, I think that I spent too much time reading and hearing about them and too little time paying attention to opposing views. It didn’t help that the Democrat, RINO and MSM response was “there’s nothing to see here”, “it’s all a big lie” and massive censorship. But we now know many things that we didn’t then, like Trump lawyers (including in some cases Giuliani) making clownish claims that didn’t stand close scrutiny and some incontrovertible facts, like the recount done in Arizona by the election doubters themselves showing the expected results: many irregularities but the same results (with actually marginally worse results for Trump in the recount).

    But my questions to A123 that he couldn’t answer stand: why is practically no Republican contesting the results of the new election? Why are Republicans unable to prevent the Democrats from committing fraud when they control the electoral mechanisms in most states, including some key ones like Nevada or Georgia? Why would Trumpists want his candidate to run again if they know that the elections are going to be rigged? I could add some more but the debate about electoral fraud has gotten tiresome.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @A123
    , @LondonBob
  276. @silviosilver

    I did not write that. I did not imply that.

    You are an amateur.

    This is what you probably would like to study. Do you know what study entails?

    https://www.wendelberger.com/downloads/Schopenhauer_EN.pdf

  277. @Mikel

    why is practically no Republican contesting the results of the new election?

    The answer to this and your following questions is: because this “two-party electoral democracy” is a ruse for the gullible. Both parties are controlled by essentially the same cabal (usually referred to as “the elite”). This cabal wants sheeple to believe that they live in a democracy and that their vote matters. Sheeple are more likely to remain docile that way.

    • Agree: Matra
    • Replies: @Mikel
    , @A123
  278. Matra says:
    @silviosilver

    I haven’t thought this through but one reason the Chinese may never get good at soccer is that it is not structured enough for them. Too much of what goes on on the pitch requires independent thought and initiative. S Korea playing today reminds me that they made to the semi-finals in 2002 – with the help of some dodgy home field advantage refereeing – but have done little since then. Anyway, East Asians are probably right not to attach so much national prestige and importance on sports.

  279. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    American football quarterbacks require the most intelligence in American football – not in all sports. That is nonsense. A central midfielder in real football requires more intelligence than someone who memorizes pre-set plays and can get told every 30 seconds what next to do from the sidelines. A central midfielder is required to play defense and offense and constantly “read the game” in order to make decisions. It’s like the difference between human trained domestic dogs and wild canines. Even the smartest domestic dogs get outwitted by their wild canine counterparts unless they get human help.

  280. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    There is some truth in what you say but, as usual, you take things to the extreme. Living in Oregon or California is not the same as living in Texas or Wyoming. Electoral choices do still have practical consequences. Let’s see how A123 reacts to your calling him sheeple for believing that voting for Trump is going to make any difference.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  281. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I notice it is usually the people with the least actual knowledge who are quickest to resort to insults. Are Steve Nash and Manu Ginobli East Asian??? Stick to the topic. The original question was the difference between Chinese and Koreans and Japanese in international football. Simple answer is China was isolated and started much later. But just like the Olympics once China gets experience it will surpass both Koreans and Japanese.
    Basketball indeed is the perfect example. How many ethnic Koreans and Japanese made it in the NBA?? They make it in baseball because as US vassals they have long experience at baseball. East Asians do not have the physical attributes to dominate in basketball. That is a simple reality. BUT China has indeed produced a hall of famer in Yao Ming. To compare Steve Nash and Manu Ginobili has zero context. However Canada and Argentina have played basketball much longer than China on a grass roots. So there is no way you can say a Jeremy Lin can’t become on their level. In fact when Jeremy Lin did go play in China he didn’t dominate the way Stephon Marbury did – which means other Chinese (born) could indeed play in the NBA. But I still don’t expect China to become as good as the US or Spain simply because of gene pool. The women on the hand may one day beat the US women as they have come close more than once. But as I see others noted – you aren’t actually thinking with rational sense but have a grudge against Chinese.

    And no Japan is not a team anyone fears to play. Neither is the US and the US made the knockout rounds before. Use real sense.

    I see others addressed rugby so no need to waste my time.

    The only thing you did say correct is that Chinese footballers are indeed overpaid. Korean and Japanese league players make less money which makes them more hungry to strive overseas and get better. Indeed the Chinese Super League salaries are over inflated.

  282. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel

    I already answered these questions, but will briefly reply before I head out for the day.

    Point #1 — There is a huge difference between MAGA and Republican. Case in point, Mitch McConnell.

    Point #2 — There is no such thing as a Trumpist. I presume you intended MAGA, but became very confused.

    Let me rephrase your questions to match reality and respond. The square brackets indicate [corrected terms].

    Why is [MAGA] unable to prevent the Democrats from committing fraud when they control the electoral mechanisms in most states, including some key ones like Nevada or Georgia?

    Kemp in Georgia is not MAGA. Thus MAGA has no control in Georgia. This was made painfully obvious to everyone in 2020 and the same anti-MAGA team is still in charge.

    I lack deep insight on Nevada one way or the other. It seems like a mixed bag.

    why is practically no [MAGA Candidate] contesting the results of the new election?

    The judiciary is largely uninterested or incapable of handling such matters in a timely manner. The fraudulent “loser” has huge opportunities to run out the clock, thus obtaining the office illegitimately. This was also made painfully obvious to everyone in 2020.

    Mounting legal challenges is very expensive. Anti-MAGA types like Ronna McDaniel control the RNC purse. There may be challenges that could work but do not have sufficient resources. I suspect that Nevada is in this situation.

    MAGA needs to build up giant piles of money so they can fight every fraud, everywhere. However, that does not exist yet. At this point, funding must be selectively deployed.

    Why would [MAGA Candidates] want to run again if they know that the elections are going to be rigged?

    It varies by candidate:

        -A- Doing the right thing is its own reward.
        -B- Winning beyond the margin that can be stolen is possible.
        -C- Willingness to adopt the tactics of the opposition.

    Consider some of Saul Alinsky’s concepts:

        RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
        RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
        RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”

    Option -C- is the potential gold mine. Those supporting MAGA candidates need to use the other side’s rules. Balloting, Counting Until You Win, and Fultoning to ensure the candidate who actually won gets the office.

    The SJW ability to complain is greatly limited by their prior, shrill “every ballot must be counted” rhetoric (RULE 4). And, serving up justice for past misdeeds is a powerful motivator (RULE 6).
    _____

    Where you personally fail is RULE 8. Despite the overwhelming and irrefutable evidence that elections outcomes are being criminally manipulated, you refuse to keep the pressure up.

    You insist on going flaccid, exhibiting sheeple like acceptance of the Fake Stream Media narrative. Your submission provides bounty unto Not-The-President Biden.

      

    I do not know which is worse:
        • Do you lack the insight to see your capitulation serves Elite rule?
        • Or, are you willingly complicit with SJW Globalist subversion?

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    🦃🍗🥧 HAPPY THANKSGIVING 🦃🍗🥧
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    There will be an attempt at deep fried turkey in a few hours. I am bringing two extra fire extinguishers. Last weekend I won on planning. We cleared an old, overgrown concrete pad (former shed base?) down slope and away from their house.

    I hope those cooking are doing it right.

      

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  283. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    The answer to this and your following questions is: because this “two-party electoral democracy” is a ruse for the gullible. Both parties are controlled by essentially the same cabal (usually referred to as “the elite”).

    You provide a solid description of 2014 and earlier. The Uniparty prevented Christian Workers from having a voice by running two parties, neither of which had traditional American values.

    That *began* changing in 2016 with the appearance of MAGA. In some races, there are now real differences. In others, establishment swamp rats are still nominated. Change is not instant. It took 40+ years to dig this hole. Filling it in will take multiple MAGA administrations. Trump’s 2nd Term will be only a few step in the journey.

    If surrender monkeys like Mikel concede everything with out fighting, the Uniparty will return. This is a once in a century chance to save the country.

    This cabal wants sheeple to believe that they live in a democracy and that their vote matters. Sheeple are more likely to remain docile that way.

    I used the term Sheeple to describe Mikel’s insistence on capitulation before I saw this post. We will have to see how he responds to this accurate characterization of his stance. Those like Mikel are indeed exactly what the cabal wants.

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    🦃🍗🥧 HAPPY THANKSGIVING 🦃🍗🥧
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  284. @Unintended Consequence

    All dogs if allowed to revert to normal behavior – will eat it. If you don’t feed them and they turn feral they will kill and eat animals. They won’t just catch the squirrel or the rabbit or the duck. They will eat them… in their entirety. They will eat the intestines and all. And if they can’t catch – they will scavenge a dead carcass. They are domesticated from wild canine. Human selection hasn’t bred out all of their natural instincts. And actually “kissing” is natural for them. Wolves and African wild dogs lick each other in the mouth as a form of communication

  285. @silviosilver

    Spain has only won a single WC. They’ve fallen off the radar a bit in recent years, maybe they got lucky by having insanely good players in the late 2000s. That said, in tennis they’ve been doing well.

    The same question can be turned towards the Balkans. Has the region always been this good at sports? I mean Partisan Red Belgrade was already pretty damn impressive by the late 1970s. In 1991, they won against Marseilles (which was a fantastic team back then).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_European_Cup_Final

    One wonders how things might have panned out if the disaster of the 1990s didn’t unfold. Maybe the Balkan superstar period was always fated to begin and it just skipped a decade due to the wars.

    • Replies: @Matra
    , @silviosilver
  286. @songbird

    I think Erdogan is going to get crushed in the next elections but I must say I’ve come to like him as time has gone on. He has shown remarkable resilience and geopolitical independence despite Turkey being in such a precarious position. Much stronger European countries show far less spine.

    • Replies: @songbird
  287. The clownshow at the Qatar World Cup just keeps giving. Now the Belgian foreign minister confronts the FIFA president, outraged over them banning the pro-LGBT armbands.

    Meanwhile the German team got thrashed by the Japanese(!) after making a huge performative political stink before the game. Karma.

  288. @Mikel

    Electoral choices do still have practical consequences.

    Local electoral choices, yes. Likely because the cabal does not want to get swamped by the nitty-gritty of local issues. As to national elections…

    Have you noticed that the key things in the foreign policy remain essentially the same regardless which “party” is technically in power? These invariably include military bases all over the world, coups in various countries, naked aggression against the countries where a coup cannot be arranged, and various sanctions against anyone who does not toe the imperial line.

    That MIC funding keeps growing under either “party”? It has already reached obscene proportions, it exceeds the military spending of the rest of the world put together. Yet the increases of the amounts of money thrown into insatiable maw of greedy US MIC show no signs of abating, and it does not matter one bit which “party” is technically in power.

    These and many other things show that real power is wielded by the forces behind the scenes, not by elected figureheads, who are becoming more and more pathetic (severe Alzheimer’s is a new low).

    • Replies: @Mikel
    , @Barbarossa
  289. @showmethereal

    Baseball was introduced in Japan in 1872. During WWII the Japanese war cry was “to hell with Babe Ruth”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_in_Japan#History

    Russian contempt for the Chinese is real:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_of_Chinese_people

    Does the CCP ever bring this up? No, because PRC was originally a Soviet vassal.

    And because it was the Chinese whom acted like unruly goons

    The Chinese entertained joint management until mid-1929. The change from Soviet control to Chinese control started when the Chinese authorities made a radical move to try to remove Soviet management. Chinese authorities stormed the Soviet Consulate in Harbin. They arrested the General Manager of the CER, his assistant and other Soviet citizens and removed them from power in the CER.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_conflict_(1929)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @showmethereal
  290. Matra says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Spain also won two European championships in 2008 & 2012 – they also won one in the 60s. In the same period they were the top European country in basketball, which is big outside of Northern Europe, and probably the dominant country in motorsports, tennis, and a couple of other widely played international sports. I remember at the time David Goldman aka Spengler, who was bitter at Spain over their Israel policy, mocked them as an unambitious loser country pointing to their lack of accomplishment in sports as an example. Being a typical American rube his evidence of Spanish lack of sporting prowess was their poor performances at the Olympics (which few care about) and was completely ignorant of the country’s towering position in world sport at the time.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  291. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    More wiki cites. Hardly anything related to politics, economics, and history in wiki is credible. If any truth remains in these entries, it’s there because the censors are sloppy or overworked (or simply dumb).

  292. @showmethereal

    So there is no way you can say a Jeremy Lin can’t become on their level. In fact when Jeremy Lin did go play in China he didn’t dominate the way Stephon Marbury did – which means other Chinese (born) could indeed play in the NBA.

    Lin was a freak whose case does not allow for such a generalization. He was a stranger to the NBA because he played at a non-basketball U. He burned through the league for 3 weeks to a month because he had some great skills. He also had a fatal flaw in his game which they quickly learned to exploit after which he was never more than Just Another Guy.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  293. @A123

    The thing to do with Thanksgiving dinners is make sure you eat some good food before you go. If you are hungry when you get there you will be miserable.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  294. @Thulean Friend

    Good thing she didn’t confront the Qataris. They would have escorted her directly to the airline terminal gate and told her to not ever come back.

    • LOL: Yahya
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  295. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Good thing she didn’t confront the Qataris. They would have escorted her directly to the airline terminal gate and told her to not ever come back.

    Would have served her right. Europeans do not understand how annoying is their habit of teaching everyone how to run their countries. Especially now, when these sermons come from the people who got their countries in a hole and keep digging.

    • Agree: Sher Singh, showmethereal
    • Replies: @Yahya
  296. Yahya says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Lol if the Belgian minister thinks the Muslim Brotherhood in Qatar will give in to the gay lobby. The Western obsession with promoting LGBT rights is sort of a parody at this point.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  297. @Thulean Friend

    I mean Partisan Red Belgrade was already pretty damn impressive by the late 1970s. In 1991, they won against Marseilles (which was a fantastic team back then).

    Not sure if that’s supposed to be a joke, but Partizan and Red Star Belgrade are two different teams.

    I saw that game. Marseilles dominated but couldn’t score. I think their best chance was when former Red Star player (“traitor”) Dragan Stojkovic – now manager of the Serbian national team – came on as a substitute late in the game. That game was one of the most elated victory feelings I’ve ever experienced. The other was when Partizan won the Euro League basketball final against Badalona the following year, with a 3-pointer at the buzzer.

    Funny, I can remember a ton of individual games and some of their details from the 90s, but draw a complete blank on anything in the last fifteen years. Well, part of the reason is I hardly care about the results anymore, whereas I used to be a passionate little sporstball fan.

    One wonders how things might have panned out if the disaster of the 1990s didn’t unfold. Maybe the Balkan superstar period was always fated to begin and it just skipped a decade due to the wars.

    Hey? In the 90s, Serbia won the Eurobasket tournament in 1995 and 1997 and the FIBA world championship in 1998. And a still intact Yugolsavia won the world championship in 1990 and the Euro championship in 1991. At the club level, in addition to the aforementioned Partizan victory, Jugoplastika Split won it in 1989, 1990, and 1991.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  298. Matra says:

    Condolences to silviosilver who, pretending not to be a sportsball fan, is crying right now after Brazil took his boys to the woodshed. They should do better against Cameroon. Not too sure though about Switzerland. Do the so-called Swiss still have all those Albanians who helped slay their Chetnik enemies four years ago?

  299. LatW says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    So it happens Slavs are overrepresented in QB, coaches as well as positions that require size, speed and physicality: tight end and defensive end

    Not just any Slavs, but a very particular, narrow type, mostly Balto-Slav from the north – from Poland and Lithuania, this type is more robust than the average Slav (which is a very big and rather diverse population). Defensive end in particular requires a very robust, strong physique and tall stature (you cannot be dainty and small boned). When one thinks of how is this type different from similar robust Nordic or Scottish types, it seems that they have just a tiny bit more plasticity.

    It looks like these types made it into the NFL because their parents were first generation immigrants and had to struggle a bit so they were more represented in working and middle class (where these players typically come from). The third generation of these immigrants are already more affluent and may have chosen other, more white collar professions rather than an extremely competitive and tough sport. Also, if they keep having petite or very thin spouses this type will dissolve (nothing against petite women, of course, it’s just that they won’t be producing that type of a physique).

  300. Yahya says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I thought I spotted some familiar facial features on that Belgian foreign minister, and sure enough she’s from an Algerian background.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadja_Lahbib

    Incidentally some of the Turkish-origin players were also protesting Qatar’s LGBT arm-band decision along with their German teammates. A sign of assimilation perhaps.

    Are MENA people in Europe generally becoming more socially liberal, or are these unrepresentative samples?

    Interesting that an Algerian-Belgian minister is attempting to impose European values on an Arab nation. The beginnings of a new era.

    • Replies: @Matra
    , @Thulean Friend
  301. @Matra

    Condolences to silviosilver who, pretending not to be a sportsball fan, is crying right now after Brazil took his boys to the woodshed.

    Haha. Not a great start for the balkanoids this world cup. Croatia could do no better than draw against the sandniggaz and Serbia was convincingly beaten by the sambaniggaz. Could easily have been much worse too.

    Is it just me or is Brazil is getting less white with each world cup, but maybe kinda less black too?

    I think Switzerland – aka the Albanian B team – has even more Albo players this time around.

    An interesting detail I heard during the commentary of the Croatia-Morocco game was that Morocco has 14 players who were not even born in Morocco. Nice of them to do the decent thing and play for their real country rather impose themselves on Belgian and Dutch national teams lol.

  302. Matra says:
    @Yahya

    Interesting that an Algerian-Belgian minister is attempting to impose European values on an Arab nation.

    Maybe she’s Kabyle. They are often the most anti-Arab, anti-Muslim people in Francophone politics.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  303. @LatW

    Who are you talking about? Name some names. Defensive end is hardly known as a common white position, although Nick Bosa ranks among the best today.

  304. Yahya says:
    @Matra

    I think you’re right. She’s fairly light too, which is common among Kabyles:

    Reminds me of Zinedine Zidane’s phenotype.

    Kabyle Berbers tend to be more intelligent on average than Arabs so that would explain her high-ranking position. She also dresses and carries herself fairly well, indicates an upper class background. I think Berbers in Europe generally come from a higher class background. That’s just going off anecdata though, can’t be bothered to check the statistics. There’s this Berber soprano on Youtube I like called Amel Brahim who performs Amazigh folk and Western classical songs:

  305. LatW says:
    @silviosilver

    Sorry, they’re not in defensive end, but QBs mostly. I had players from the old era like Johnny Unitas in mind, QBs are, of course, thinner (but still robust) than defensive end. Estonian Margus Hunt is defensive end (he was in Cincinnati Bengals & Chicago Bears), and he is a little more filled in (although even he is very lean, just seems more muscular and “fuller” figured).

  306. LondonBob says:
    @silviosilver

    The doping scandal coincides with the period of Spanish sporting prowess.

  307. LondonBob says:
    @Mikel

    Trump was winning comfortably before the voting stopped and voter dumps started, even the NYT election predictor forecast him winning by a comfortable margin, ballot harvesting and mail in fraud aren’t obvious, unless you analyse forensically, however dumping a bunch of votes all to one candidate is hardly sophisticated, about as blatant as it gets.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN, S
    • Replies: @sudden death
  308. LondonBob says:
    @showmethereal

    Copa America is basically Brazil and Argentina, sure lousy teams can get a lucky run to the final, like Argentina did in 2014, like Germany did in Japan. They have had a very lopsided team for a while now, very good strikers who all play very similar, and then not much else, maybe a decent midfielder or two.

  309. Yahya says:
    @silviosilver

    , a rather distinctive style is Sevdah/Sevdanlinka, which is mostly Bosnian but is thought quite highly of across ex-YU. Generally melancholy themes with oriental-tinged, often rather haunting, melodies. Couple of good examples by Safet Isovic – Moj Dilbere and Sehidski rastanak.

    Yes Isovic was one of my first introductions to the treasure trove that is Balkan folk music. More specifically this song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMb3jWURFd0&ab_channel=SafetIsovi%C4%87

    I remember how impressed I was with the instrumentation, and more saliently, the distinctive, booming Bosnian vocal technique which I had never heard of before. But unfortunately Isovic’s music is highly variable, some are very schlocky and others are excellent.

    Didn’t like any of the pop tunes or artists you mentioned tbh. I’ve written to Philip Owen before that i’m only interested in higher forms of musical expression from other cultures. But within my own culture, the genre that has most stirred my soul is the trashy ethnic music. The trashier it was, the more deeper the feelings it elicited. I’ve unfortunately lost my taste for that peculiar genre of music, but I will always fondly remember the days of ethnic warmth (now mostly gone) that type of music generated within me.

    PS: I’m still waiting for a reply to the rest of my initial post. What did you think of the Arabic songs?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  310. @LatW

    similar robust Nordic or Scottish types

    A more common type is NFL centers guards and rugby players, 6’1 to 6’4, shorter arms but benchpresses more.

    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-offensive-guard-rankings-tiers

    Defensive end in particular requires a very robust, strong physique and tall stature

    6’5+ as well as long arms. More common in blacks but some whites actually dominate the position, e.g. JJ Watt

    Big and fast white guys are actually not that rare. If you watch Gronk outrunning and shoving around black DBs he looks like man amongst boys. There was a German dominated the NFL combines but didn’t make it because he lacked skills,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_Böhringer

    Smaller and fast white guys the equivalent of Deion Sanders are rarer.

    I’m saying a lot of HBD preconceptions who can do or who’s better at what sport is premature.

    • Replies: @LatW
  311. @silviosilver

    Kevin Greene, Jared Allen. Currently there’s TJ Watt.

    Lyle Alzado, Brian Bosworth were pretty hyped.

    There was an Estonian with freakish athleticism but never made it,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margus_Hunt

    • Replies: @LatW
  312. LatW says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    There was an Estonian with freakish athleticism but never made it,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margus_Hunt

    Yea, he was in the NFL. He is 6’8, 277lbs. He started out as a discus thrower (he did well in the junior championships).

    Big and fast white guys are actually not that rare

    You’re right, not that rare. There are some in ice hockey who are around 190cms and fast.

  313. Sher Singh says:

    Yes, the election was stolen.

    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/voting-doesnt-win-you-elections

    Shouldn’t wignats who scream about dominating the globe have a better answer?

    They seem to hate anyone else doing something about it even more..

  314. @LondonBob

    Trump was whining and propagandizing against the mail voting during entire election year, so why is it so surprising that his voters were participating mainly on election day, therefore naturally were absent from mail votes which consequently were absolutely dominantly for Biden then?

    Not even to mention that many Republican voters got quite sick with Covid or even died prior election day due all the trumper floomer propaganda too.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  315. LatW says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I’m saying a lot of HBD preconceptions who can do or who’s better at what sport is premature.

    Of course. And even within one population, there are several types. My point regarding those QBs who have a Slavic background is that they are not just any Slavs, but a very particular type of Northern Slav or Balto-Slav, some call them Wends. 😉 Gronk is a Wend.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  316. Bipolar world in action:

    The threat of US sanctions on their global operations caused many leading Chinese banks such as ICBC, the New Development Bank and the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank to withdraw credit and financing from Russia. Chinese energy giants such as Sinochem also suspended all Russian investments and joint ventures. In August, UnionPay – the Chinese equivalent of Visa and Mastercard – also ceased its cooperation with Russian banks, citing sanctions. The material motivation for Beijing’s corporations to pull out of Russia was clear: before the war China did $100 billion in trade with Russia (rising by a projected $30 billion this year thanks to increased oil imports) but more than $1.5 trillion with the US and EU.

    With Biden and Xi’s joint condemnation of the threat of nukes at Bali earlier this month, the so-called ‘track two’ understandings of March have become a ‘track one’ public policy. Thanks to Wang’s shuttle diplomacy, Nato and China have effectively aligned on not escalating the Ukraine-Russia conflict, according to the Chinese source. Over a series of meetings with Nato leadership since early September, Wang pledged to use China’s considerable leverage in Moscow to dissuade Putin from using nukes, while in return Nato has affirmed that they would not provide strategic weapons to Ukraine.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-red-line-biden-and-xis-secret-ukraine-talks-revealed/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  317. @sudden death

    Nato and China have effectively aligned on not escalating the Ukraine-Russia conflict

    Indeed, following Chinese demands the US pressured Poland into not supplying Mig-29 to Ukraine.

    Here is an excerpt from cited Spectator article:
    a Nato country providing fighter jets of any kind to Kyiv represented an important symbolic, if not necessarily operationally significant, step towards direct Nato involvement in the conflict. Initially, Washington was positive. But a day later, on 8 March, the Pentagon abruptly reversed its position, pronouncing Poland’s proposal ‘not tenable’.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  318. @Yahya

    Have you watched the 2001 Bosnian comedy No Man’s Land?

    To answer this question: I thought I had because the name sounded familiar, but it turns out, no, I haven’t. I’ll give it a go.

    Wasn’t aware of Balkan migration to that country, or in Latin America more generally. I think only Ukrainians in Brazil are a prominent Slavic group.

    I wasn’t aware either until about a decade ago. From the balkans, most of it is Croatian. There’s apparently more Croats in Chile than in Australia, and there’s certainly more than a few here.

    Quite a few Levantines in Argentina too, known locally as “turcos”, because they arrived when it was still the Ottoman empire. One of them, Carlos Menem, became president.

    There’s about as many Poles in Brazil as Ukrainians btw. If you search for “igreja ortodoxa” in southern Brazilians cities and then click on the pics on the ones that come up, then judging by the congregations, they’re not going to remain recognizably Ukrainian for much longer.

    I’d say though my ability to listen to exotic music has improved considerably over time.

    Bossa nova used to sound exotic and weird – or just plain crap – to me when I first heard it. For one reason or another I went back it a few times and eventually developed a liking for it. I think it’s great now. I’ve listened to all the classics and know the lyrics of about half a dozen by heart. (I can read Portuguese decently [non-fiction, anyway], but only understand maybe 5%-10% of some songs from listening, depending on the singer’s diction. If I like a song, my habit is to look up the lyrics and use that as a way to increase my vocabulary.)

    With regards to Arabic music, I bet you’ve only listened to mainstream Arabic singers and musicians, though i’m curios to know which artists you were referring to.

    I don’t know how mainstream they are, though I recognized the name Nancy Ajram that you mentioned. I just did some youtube searching for arabic music, from which I learned there was a talent show called Arab Idol, so I mainly listened to the selections with the most views, figuring they were probably the best (or at least best known) songs. The titles were in Arabic so I don’t know the songs’ names.

    Let me know if you like any of these.

    I couldn’t really get into them, tbh. Some of them took like three minutes for the vocals to begin. I just don’t have that kind of patience, lol. I prefer the ones I heard in the Arab Idol list, of which I probably max out at three songs in a row. Something like flamenco, which is another style I’m impressed by, but which also quickly exhausts me, I could probably take, say, 5 songs in a row max. And not a chance I could listen to any of those on repeat. In comparison, pop music in English, Serbo-Cro, Spanish or Portuguese, I can listen to for two or three hours straight, and if I like a song, I can easily listen to it ten or twenty times in a row.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  319. @Beckow

    Correct. Though Iraq and Libya and Syria couldn’t be rebuilt by Americans because they weren’t wanted. Contrary to what the western media was saying – the vast majority of Mariupol people WANT Russia. I can remember seeing video way back in 2014 where the people were marching with Russian flags (some even with Soviet ones) and how Ukraine sent armored cars in there.

  320. @AnonfromTN

    That was actually going to be my question… who is financing the reconstruction? Is it local or from “Moscow”? I was also under the impression that the Sea of Azov was very important from an industrial point of view.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  321. @Thulean Friend

    Honestly though – if the western media didn’t focus on such folly nobody would care. In non western nations nobody cares about that garbage… they just want to watch the games. Qatar absolutely doesn’t care either – lol

  322. @showmethereal

    That was actually going to be my question… who is financing the reconstruction? Is it local or from “Moscow”? I was also under the impression that the Sea of Azov was very important from an industrial point of view.

    To the best of my knowledge (which is not comprehensive), Russia is paying for almost everything. Considering the ravages of Ukie occupation since 2014-15 and further destruction in the current war, Donbass might break even in maybe 10 years and become profitable after that. Economic potential of the sea of Azov will come into play when local production picks up. For many years Donbass will need massive investment from the outside, not just of money, but of construction materials and numerous other products.

    That is not to say that they don’t produce anything. E.g., in Lugansk they make local dry sausage (not salami, Russian/German style dry sausage) that quality-wise can compete with the best produced anywhere in the world. The same is true for equivalent of prosciutto crudo made in Lugansk. It was like that even in Soviet times. Lugansk sausage and high-end meat products were and still are among the best (I say it having tried high quality meats in >20 countries). They make quite a few other things in Donbass that are competitive, but overall production is much lower than needed to finance required massive reconstruction.

    I think Donbass will succeed because most people there have the right attitude. In contrast to many people in Ukraine, who for some inexplicable reason think that everybody owes them, the people I talked to in Lugansk believe that Russia does not owe them anything. They are grateful for the liberation, but see additional help as good will, rather than something due. People solve their problems only when they are ready to do it themselves. Habitual freeloaders are doomed to have shithole for a country.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @showmethereal
  323. LondonBob says:
    @sudden death

    No, prior to the vote dumps mail in votes were relatively evenly split, albeit with a clear margin to Biden.

  324. LondonBob says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Why would you believe anything in the Spectator? The nukes disinformation talk should immediately discredit the author.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  325. @silviosilver

    I really like old Colombian music. This selection is from the very late 50s/early 60s.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lA2nCRtVeIPxKCnaND9fa_pwISgBu7o-Y

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  326. Yahya says:

    So it appears that Turkey is now following the Egyptian strategy of knocking on Gulf Arab states with a tin cup in hand every time a currency-induced economic crisis hits them.

    Turkey and Qatar are in the final stages of talks for Doha to provide up to $10 billion in funding for Ankara, including up to $3 billion by the end of this year, two senior Turkish officials and one other source told Reuters.

    With Western countries balking at investments in Turkey, Ankara has turned to “friendly” countries for foreign resources to backstop its policy of supporting the lira currency by balancing the economy’s supply and demand for forex.

    Turkey is also in the final stage of talks with Saudi Arabia on Riyadh placing a $5 billion deposit at the Turkish Central Bank, a Saudi finance ministry spokesman said on Tuesday. Turkey’s central bank has declined to comment on the matter.

    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/gulf/2022/11/25/Turkey-in-final-stage-talks-for-up-to-10-billion-funding-from-Qatar-Report

    Gulf Arab states have been fairly generous with Egypt in the past, though much of it out of ethnic solidarity. Apart from Qatar, i’m surprised to see them lending a hand to Turkey, which ever since Erdogan took over has had acrimonious relations with the Gulf monarchies. Erdogan though has been mending fences with the Arab rulers over the past few years, including with Egypt’s Sisi just a few days ago. His strategy appears to be paying off.

  327. Coconuts says:
    @Yahya

    In the West Feminism-Muslim-LGBTQIA+ is a kind of natural alliance. Don’t know how far Intersectionality has spread in Belgium but it’s not 100% surprising to see ethnic minority women promoting these beliefs.

  328. Coconuts says:
    @showmethereal

    On the flip side Russia – nor China – are the ones who colonized African nations. So they don’t speak Russian nor Chinese. They speak French and Belgian and English etc.

    Very few in Africa and the Middle East must speak German or Italian as legacies of colonialism (maybe there are a few who speak Italian in Eritrea), and more or less no one Dutch, Irish, Danish, Swedish or Norwegian. But all these countries have similar patterns of immigration from Africa and MENA.

    Appeals to colonialism, as if this immigration was somehow retribution or reparations for colonialism and imperialism seems more like a rationalisation of something with other causes. If it was about reparations Belgium would take only Congolese, Netherlands only Indonesians and a few from the Carribean, Germany from Tanganyika, Italy from Eritrea, Somalia etc. But this is not what is seen in Europe.

    Even the countries that take a large number of immigrants from their former colonies like Spain, France, Britain also take a lot of people not from their former empires.

    I guess the point Beckow was making about settlers was about the relative productivity and level of development of North America and Australia when the British started to occupy them, and the level of productivity and development of Europe when Africans and others arrive now.

  329. @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks. Some of those are quite catchy, but probably not something I would return to again. I like a lot of 50s stuff from Cuba and Puerto Rico, as popularized by the “Buena Vista Social Club” album that came out about 20 years ago. Before that, my introduction to latino music was a televised concert “Canciones de mi padre” by Linda Rondstat, in which she sang a number of classic mariachi songs. I thought it was fantastic from the first listening.

  330. @Coconuts

    The more pertinent point is that settlers founded those countries. If it hadn’t been for British founders, then America, Canada, Australia would never have happened. Or if someone else had settled there – and someone else eventually certainly would have, given the natives’ low developmental level and thus inability to resist – they would have founded very, very different countries. Nowadays, of course, it’s all the rage to refer to the aboriginals as “First Nations,” as if the average abo had the slightest conception of living “in Australia.” (So wtf were they really “first” at?)

    If we remember that the native tribes were happily slaughtering each other and “stealing” each others lands since time imemorial, the great irony is that one actually has to be a racist to claim slaughtering and stealing was only illegitimate when a white tribe (the Brits) joined the fray. The best thing for the Brits to have told prospective non-British entrants is: sorry – founders, keepers.

    “B-b-b-but silvio don’t you get it, your own grandparents would have been barred by your rules!!” Yeah, they would have, so what? The important thing right now is to draw the correct the lesson from their mistakes – mistakes which I obviously admit have benefited from – not to repeat them or compound them with self-serving stories about how, since we were allowed in, so must the rest of the world be, ad infinitum.

    Don’t know how far Intersectionality has spread in Belgium but it’s not 100% surprising to see ethnic minority women promoting these beliefs.

    It’s not remotely surprising. Promoting those causes help keep the “nativists” at bay. It’s all of a piece with “anti-racism” (aka white demotion and dispossession).

    • Thanks: S
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  331. A123 says: • Website

    The deep fried turkeys were successful. It turned out that getting two smaller birds was much easier than obtaining one that was just the right size. This also eliminated the overflow risk as much less oil was required. One was a bit over done, but not bad for a first effort.

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    First world problems… FOOD COMA

     

     

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    –And– Thanksgiving is not complete without the WKRP Turkey Drop.

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  332. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I would say I am somewhat neutral on Erdogan. I really don’t care about him turning the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque (not like there are many Christians in Turkey). I may be opposed to military adventurism, using migrants as weapons, and inflation, but those seen like common sins. My main disagreement with him is that he seems to be trying to take away the joy of English-speaking schoolkids regarding the bird/country pun.

    Don’t know how legit this map of Chinese search terms is, but I think it is interesting how Turkey is seen as “opposes China”, while Poland is perceived as “hates China.”

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    https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/1595933987838758912?s=20&t=ILMDjqMEicY37_pMevfLEw

    Certain other parts of it puzzle me, such as Belgians being called “red devils” (does this have to do with promoting an anti-Euro narrative in Africa?) and Bulgarians having “milk-induced longevity” (thought they were fairly lactose-intolerant?)

  333. songbird says:
    @A123

    In high school, used to know a football player who hit someone with big frozen turkey at the turkey toss.

    During the Great Depression, they used to throw a live bird from the top of a building. People would fight over it, sometimes ripping parts off.

  334. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    Certain other parts of it puzzle me, such as Belgians being called “red devils”

    It’s the name of the Belgian national football team:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium_national_football_team

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  335. @Yahya

    I’ve written to Philip Owen before that i’m only interested in higher forms of musical expression from other cultures.

    Yeah, I suspected as much. The thing is, they seem to me to be so closely associated with that culture (or with a particular people/nation) that it creates a barrier for me to completely enjoy it. I don’t mean because I find it too alien, I mean it makes me feel like something of an “imposter,” like I’m illicitly encroaching on them. With pop music, the themes are universal, and even if the performer is an avowed ‘racist,’ it’s like so what, they can’t stop me enjoying it since the music has no obvious connection with anything culturally particular.

    Btw, talking about pop music in the other post, how could I forget to mention 80s Italian pop? That’s probably my favorite, or co-favorite with English-language 80s, and just as good. I’ll nominate three songs that best capture it for me, Giuni Russo – Un’estate al mare, Stadio -Acqua e sapone, Franco Battiato – Centro di gravita permanente. Trashy? Yeah, okay. I never claimed to be a musical sophisticate. (That last one is kinda profound though. Supposedly inspired by Gurdjieff themes. The chorus means something like “I’m looking for a permanent center of gravity that never changes my mind about things and people”, ie some stable standpoint from which to make sense of the phantasmagorical stimulation that postmodern culture assaults our senses with. That song could be the anthem of a lot of people on this blog – and in wider society – besides me.)

    I’ll use the example of a scene in the Spanish movie “Vengo” (because I wanted to ask you something else about it too). The film is about some rivalry between Spanish gypsies (“gitanos”) and features a lot of flamenco music and dance. If you go to the scene at the 19 minute mark /watch?v=ViCVxYO8r0A&t=1140s [I trust you’re able to append that to after the .com after youtube ] you’ll see that’s some pretty powerful performance by the singer at the table (no idea what she’s singing about). The ‘soldiers’ (or maybe guardia civils) at the next are getting into the music, and eventually they get up and crowd around the singer’s table and get into it even more. Now, if I had happened to be at that restaurant, even if it’s unlikely I’d be eyed as a racial outsider, and even if I could do that rhythmic hand-clapping, I still wouldn’t attempt to join in, because that seems like it’s something very culturally particular and it would feel very inauthentic for me to attempt to join in. You follow?

    Of course, a lot depends on the context in which a piece of music is performed. When they were composed, Wagner’s works were pointedly Germanic, and if the current year were 1922 instead of 2022, there isn’t a chance could I enjoy them the way, say, a Hitler could. But western culture has been promoting itself as universal culture for so long now, that Wagner becomes accessible in a way he previously wasn’t. On the other hand, a piece like “Concierto de Aranjuez,” which was composed (at least ostensibly) to celebrate the Nationalist victory in the Spanish Civil War (but I which prefer as the vocal arrangement in French, “Mon Amour”), by the time it achieved international acclaim, WWII was over, so it slotted fairly neatly into the “universalist” category. Similarly, James Last’s “The Lonely Shepherd” (made famous by pan-flutist Gheorghe Zamfir) was “universalist” from the outset, but if it had been composed in a context in which the Nazis had won WWII, reactions to it may well have been very different.

    The other thing I wanted to ask you about that movie is, if you go to the beginning, there seems to be a diverse crowd of Spaniards and Arabs making their way to a little “castle,” where a flamenco performance is taking place, but which then morphs into some Arabic number. (Normally, when I hear “fusion,” I think “run,” because it’s going to be something godawful but this wasn’t so bad, lol.) My question is: is that an Arabic style you recognize, and if so, what is it and what is its origin?

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  336. German_reader says:

    Satellite observed two ships which had switched off their transponders just a few days before the Nordstream pipelines blew up:
    https://www.wired.com/story/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-dark-ships/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=earned

    Must be possible to identify those ships. Of course not a big story (as it should be) in the retard country I’m living in, instead everyone’s talking about how they’re not nice enough to sodomites in Qatar and how one shouldn’t watch the world cup because of that.

  337. @songbird

    I really don’t care about him turning the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque (not like there are many Christians in Turkey).

    I don’t care either, but you should still use it against him to highlight how culturally antagonistic, how uninterested in pluralism, how “unwestern” he is. Even elite eurocucks seem to have come to their senses about Turkey, but it doesn’t hurt to keep the pressure on in case they get any big ideas about EU membership anew. Warding off cuckery requires eternal vigilance.

    • Replies: @songbird
  338. @LondonBob

    Why would you believe anything in the Spectator? The nukes disinformation talk should immediately discredit the author.

    I don’t. Frankly, I do not blindly believe anything from any source. I use the method I learned back in the USSR: compare what you get from different sources and dismiss everything that serves the source’s purposes. Things reported reluctantly (which are against the narrative the source promotes) have a good chance of being true. Glib tales supporting the promoted narrative are virtually certain to be lies. I look at it as a biologist: nature gave us two eyes because you cannot adequately see the reality from just one point of view.

    As to discrediting that particular author, it’s just a small detail. For years Western media discredited itself totally, spreading obvious lies and blatant lies (e.g., a zillion hospitals in Aleppo, all of which disappeared the day Islamist bandits were kicked out; scary tales about covid, which immediately disappeared when Putin started the operation in Ukraine; glorious victories of Ukie army, even though the war keeps going on the territory Ukraine considers its own; etc.). Orwell was prescient, most “reports” by Western media are comrade Ogilvy-style stories. Discrediting a single liar in the source that is devoted to lying does not matter much.

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  339. songbird says:
    @silviosilver

    Not sure how realistic the prospects of Turkey joining the EU ever were, but I suppose I should thank Erdogan for helping to sabotage the idea.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  340. @LatW

    Gronk is a Wend.

    Gronk was a tight end. Tight end has become a very white position in recent years, and all the best tight ends are white. I’m pretty sure most of them aren’t slavic.

    @songbird

    Not sure how realistic the prospects of Turkey joining the EU ever were, but I suppose I should thank Erdogan for helping to sabotage the idea.

    I’m not sure either, but the very fact the idea was ever floated and that they achieved candidate status is disturbing enough.

    • Replies: @songbird
  341. @songbird

    I would say I am somewhat neutral on Erdogan. I really don’t care about him turning the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque

    Turning Sophia into a mosque is not important in and of itself. It is only important as a clear sign of sultan’s stupidity: there is huge Blue Mosque across the square, so they did not need another one in this location.

    Other signs of his stupidity and megalomania are plentiful. Let me just point out new Istanbul airport. Clearly oodles of money were spent, it is huge. Yet it is extremely uncomfortable: gates are very far from each other, so you walk for miles to get to your gate; huge spaces are empty, essentially wasted, but there are very few chairs (people sitting on the floor are an indication); there are very few places where you can eat, which are all crowded as the result, but there is a profusion of duty-free shops without customers, etc.

    His military adventures show the same combination of stupidity and megalomania. Turkey does not have resources to make even half of these successful.

    Yet everything depends who you compare him to. If you compare him to today’s European and US “leaders”, he looks remarkably sane and smart.

  342. @German_reader

    Must be possible to identify those ships.

    Who is supposed to identify those ships? When the fox investigates a break-in into the chicken coup, the conclusions are predictable 100%.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  343. @German_reader

    All the intelligence agencies know exactly who blew up the pipeline.

    They ain’t talking to us useless eaters about it. We get the Jews versus Kanye West and Elon Musk laying off all the good people at twitter.

  344. The money shot from Avi Loeb Garry Nolan Brian Keating.

    It’s in the chapter starting at 41:15 What would be the impact of discovery of extraterrestrials?

    Garry Nolan says “I was raised Catholic but brought up Jewish.”

    Gack.

    Anyhow here is the best evidence.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.3381.pdf
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1303.6739.pdf

    If you ask me this isn’t evidence of much more than Garry Nolan’s stubbornness but it’s there in peer reviewed research papers for all you interested geniuses out there.

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  345. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Sure. I expect the story to be buried. No big deal apparently.

  346. Mr. Hack says:
    @Yahya

    It’s even more difficult for somebody who’s not a native or a real connoisseur of Middle Eastern music to discern regional differences. Ardeshir Farah is a native of Iran and Jorge Strunz of Cota Rica. For many years now, they’ve been playing together and putting together albums of pure exotic joy, including a blend of “highly virtuosic, rhythmic, and improvisation-rich original instrumental compositions, against a backdrop of native sounds, including Spanish, Iranian, Arabic and South American influences. This album is a collection of their Middle Eastern influenced music. Obviously, they surround themselves with top-notch studio musicians too (I particularly like the two violin players that are highlighted within this album). I’d be interested in hearing your opinion of this album, and what regional influences that you detect – enjoy!

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Yahya
  347. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    This is a civilizational war, flags and dry sausages are of no importance. The war is to decide who lives and who goes, what stories are told. It started much smaller, but the gradual escalation (by both sides) got us to the point of no return. Whoever gets Donbas or the Black Sea coast – and other lands – will take it as-is, even as desert with nothing standing. The calculations and who pays for what have been thrown out between February and October.

    Kiev and West are more committed to the total existential struggle because they are weaker on the ground. Russia is still acting tentative, counting marbles, implicitly offering compromises; Russia hasn’t saddled up yet. West has still not processed a very simple strategic reality: Russia cannot afford to lose and is in a position to win. So they are poking the bear and giggling like idiots thinking that it is all about the poking – it is not going to end well.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AnonfromTN
  348. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    So they are poking the bear and giggling like idiots thinking that it is all about the poking – it is not going to end well.

    West isn’t monolithic, just recently General Milley said that the Ukrainians have taken back as much territory as they realistically can for now and should take the opportunity for negotiations.
    You are right however that there are powerful factions in Western countries who are pushing this line that one can’t negotiate with Russia, Putin must be overthrown, only total victory is acceptable etc. EU parliament with its recent foolishness of declaring Russia a terrorist state was an egregious example of this mindset (also lots of similar nonsense…apparently German Bundestag now wants to officially recognize Holodomor as genocide, lol). In Germany it’s strongly promoted by certain Greens (ironically some were active Maoists back in the 1970s, their basic mentality apparently hasn’t changed much). I agree that it’s not going to end well if that kind of thinking wins out.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  349. @Beckow

    This is a civilizational war

    My impression is that Putin was planning for a local skirmish, just beating back imperial advance into Ukraine to encircle Russia. However, by getting into it to the hilt the West made it an existential geopolitical struggle. Bankrupt empire wants to retain its dominance, other forces, including Russia, want to put an end to its dominance and reformat the world, making it multi-polar. In a way, the empire was right to start this struggle as early as possible: with every passing year its power wanes. Naturally, the empire does not give a hoot about Ukies, they are disposable cannon fodder in this geopolitical struggle.

    So they are poking the bear and giggling like idiots thinking that it is all about the poking – it is not going to end well.

    Bismarck (who was no friend or admirer of Russia) rightly said more than a century ago about potential war with Russia that he knows many ways of making the bear leave his lair, but not a single way of making it go back.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  350. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Sure, West isn’t monolithic but the dominant faction wants an all out war, or to push it to the absolute limit. The Greens – whether today, Maoist, or genderless freaks – are simply stupid people with initiative. The kind of people who in the past joined massive revolutionary movements or religious revivals. Their libido is in the wrong place.

    The EU freak-show is just the beginning: everything and everyone will be demonized, the language categories will be stretched, the most egregious nonsense will be tried – and applauded. It will also happen in Russia, more slowly, but possibly more deadly. The worst thing that could happen is Putin leaving, replaced with hot-heads who match Poland and the English media in determination and irresponsibility.

    It is almost amusing, seeing the inevitable steps, the loss of the common sense, the rush to create mayhem, all the time forgetting that the underlying issues – at least officially – are actually very minor. So minor that they can’t be openly discussed in the West. It would be embarrassing to admit that we are rushing toward a catastrophe, or toward a lot worse lives, in order to dictate what language is used in the Ukie schools and to place effectively useless Nato armies on the Russian border. The people in charge are either desperate or complete idiots.

  351. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    At 95-130m that is right in the blank spot that the U.S. Navy does not have.

    • Patrol boats top out at about 60m.
    • The next step are Destroyers all of which exceed 150m.
    • Yes… Littoral Combat Vessels are in this size range. However, they suck at everything and are incredibly easy to visually identify. Are any of these festering piles of worthlessness operating in Baltic waters?

    There are a vast number of civilian vessels in that size range. Even if the dark ships can be identified, that may not lead to a culprit. Simple smuggling (not geopolitical sabotage) could be in play. Or, illicit fishing with out the proper licenses.

    What happens if the transports are found and linked to an attack? Between cash hire and back stopped ID’s, good luck tracking the source back. Much of “counter terrorism” is based on leaks or patterns. With a one off incident, there is unlikely to be a pattern.

    There is not even conclusive proof of an attack rather than an industrial accident. The Swedes claim they have evidence, yet they have not shared it.

    Everybody has a theory. Mine is that the Poles did it. However, chances of obtaining sufficient proof to go public are virtually nil.

    PEACE 😇

  352. @AnonfromTN

    What’s your epistemic standard? I only cite wiki excerpts that are well sourced. I was calling out an obvious lie by showmethereal that Japan played baseball only as a US vassal.

    Would a picture be better?

    One of the most prominent pitchers in the history of Japanese baseball was Victor Starffin “the blue-eyed Japanese” (青い目の日本人, aoi-me no Nihonjin). A white émigré who arrived in Japan after the Russian Revolution by way of Manchuria

  353. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Have you noticed that the key things in the foreign policy remain essentially the same regardless which “party” is technically in power?

    Yes but that’s no big news. Everybody has noticed that the MIC/neocon lobby is very powerful in DC and Congressmen of both parties are loyal to it. However, we now know that a candidate that explicitly promises to change some of those key things in foreign policy can become President (or at least could 6 years ago, demographic changes are happening so fast that I’m not sure that would be possible again).

    The fact that Trump didn’t change anything on foreign policy and actually doubled down on everything you mentioned when he became President doesn’t necessarily mean that it is impossible to do. Let’s not forget that he failed to keep his promises on everything he ran on (except for the Israel Embassy) so at least to a very big extent it was just a personal problem of incompetence and inconsistency. He could have perfectly surrounded himself with anti-interventionist people who shared his campaign message like Buchanan, Rand Paul, Gosar, Tulsi,… and, as Commander in Chief, he had ample power to order troop retreats and abstain from attacking foreign countries. Instead, he filled his Administration with rabid interventionists like Pompeo, Haley, McMaster, Matis, Esper, Bolton… With such choices it’s little wonder that he failed to keep campaign promises that he had simply forgotten about.

    There are very strong inertias in American politics, especially when it comes to military and foreign policy matters, and shady cabals do exist but it would be a mistake to conclude that they are all powerful just because because such an idiosyncratic personage as Trump was unable to stand up to them.

    Btw, knowing all the things that he failed to do, are you going to vote for Trump again if he is the nominee? And would you rather have him run instead of someone who has at least been able to take concrete actions on immigration and the woke insanity like DeSantis?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @AnonfromTN
  354. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Since the industrial revolution Japan has had an affinity for western things. Teddy Roosevelt was a big fan of Japan westernizing Asia. Japanese were placating the west even back then. But once Japan was occupied by the US after WW2 baseball became more prominent. I’m not even sure how you can possibly even try to debate that…. Anyway…

    Ahhh so you realize you are on shaky ground and so bring up the Sino Soviet conflict. What in earth does that have to do with anything we were discussing???? Stop wasting time.

  355. @Emil Nikola Richard

    No Yao Ming was more of a “freak” chance. You can directly compare Jeremy Lin playing in the NBA and China vs the many other NBA players who went to play in China as well. Jeremy Lin never dominated the Chinese league. Good but not dominant. Same can be said of other former NBA players. Stephon Marbury did dominate though. He’s still there coaching and owning a team too.

  356. @Matra

    I haven’t thought this through but one reason the Chinese may never get good at soccer is that it is not structured enough for them. Too much of what goes on on the pitch requires independent thought and initiative.

    Agree with this actually. Another factor is the Japanese team mostly play in the top European leagues,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_national_football_team#Current_squad

    For Koreans its about half. The Chinese play entirely in the Chinese Super League, which is actually the sixth highest paid league

    https://www.olbg.com/insights/global-football-league

    They get pampered and don’t go out to challenge themselves.

  357. @Beckow

    are simply stupid people with initiative

    There is Russian joke:
    – What’s more dangerous than a nuclear war?
    – An idiot with initiative.

    Do similar jokes exist in other countries?

  358. @AnonfromTN

    Thanks. Interesting note about the attitude of the people. From what I have seen of Crimea the people don’t even consider it liberation …. They seem to be more like “we were always Russia anyway”

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  359. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel

    Trump delivered the MAGA “Anti-War” platform he won on. Everyone understands this objective TRUTH.

    Notable achievements included:

    1. Trump is the first President in modern history to start ZERO new wars. This is a massive achievement that should be celebrated by all Americans.

    It is especially momentous, as Trump had to contend with sociopath Khamenei who was openly trying to provoke a war.

      

    2. Trump pulled U.S. troops out of the kill sack between Turkish and Syrian/Russian lines. “Protecting Oil” was a fig leaf believed by no one. Functionally, the U.S. efforts now provide intelligence on Iranian terrorists operating in Syria and Western Iraq, and little else.

    Trump also made it clear that the U.S. would not support Erdogan’s aggression. The NATO defensive alliance would not back a Turkish offensive operation.

    3. Trump effectively ended the Afghan War.

      

    Gen. SJW Milley’s treachery was avoided. We will never know if that was Trump personally not trusting the traitor. Or, if senior staff headed off the trap. Probably both. If Trump received the 2nd term that he won at the ballot box, there would have been a deal & orderly pull out centered on Bagram.
    ___

    MAGA (under Donald Trump) ratcheted down SJW Globalist Forever Wars across the globe.

    What more could anyone want that is “actually achievable”?

    Did Trump score 100% of absolutely, totally, everything, across the entire globe? Of course not, that simply was not available. No President can possibly deliver 100% of absolutely, totally, everything. The American system does NOT work that way.
    ___

    Knowing all the things that Trump succeeded at in limiting the MIC, why would anyone not vote for him?

    Would you rather have DeSantis, a candidate with minimal national experience & track record? How do you know this retired military officer is not 100%+ MIC compliant?

    For everyone rational who wants to reduce foreign entanglements, the choice is undeniably clear & obvious. TRUMP 2024

    A primary vote for DeSantis is a vote for Brandon, Mikel’s true choice for President.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mikel
  360. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …Putin was planning for a local skirmish, just beating back imperial advance into Ukraine to encircle Russia.

    If he really was, he was deluding himself. The idea that the West would back down – after decades of investments, planning, endless seminars and weapons – was not realistic. It wasn’t the West he misread but the Ukies – for some reason Putin&Co. thought that Ukies would back down, would act rationally, refuse to be martyrs.

    As we have seen in the modern world almost anything can be manipulated and people lack basic survival and reasoning skills – the ones with money, brains are resources are allowed to leave, hysteria is stirred up, a bit of outright suppression, and the remaining masses of Ukie men left with few choices are marched into muddy fields to die. The bizarre show goes on with the leader in green sweat-pants, visiting dignitaries, new narratives invented daily and dutifully repeated in the Western media. That’s the world we live in. I am increasingly skeptical if it is really that important to save it from a big boom 🙂

    Bismarck…rightly said he knows many ways of making the bear leave his lair, but not a single way of making it go back.

    These guys decided to slay the bear so they need him to come out. They suffer from what is called paradoxical thinking – trying to prove that what is accepted as truth is not true at all, that it can be changed.

    They think they can kill the bear – the way they think that Normandy invasion defeated Hitler, or that a woman is not defined by biology. Paradoxical thinking appeals to people who are reasonably smart but lack life experience. It is not only reality that they miss and the inevitable propaganda self-delusions, they also seek drama – the way their lives have been shaped by cheesy Hollywood narratives.

    (It is not particularly new, read Shakespeare to see the phenomenon of over-dramatizing everything – it is good entertainment, but deadly when allowed to rule our lives.)

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  361. Jazman says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Kiev regime literally lost more than entire inventory of US Army by this point.
    Russia targets substations and power lines,something that can be easily repaired in peacetime.
    And for people in affected areas there are two choices.
    First is to run. Run like hell while there is still a possibility to run.
    Second is to attempt a regime change.This is next to impossible because a)Kiev regime is a terrorist one and will simply murder anybody opposing it and b)locals in Kiev especially are pretty brainwashed…which is why most of them didn’t run yet.
    Latter is also the reason why Russia sending a diversionary force to Kiev in February was a diversionary force and not a real one.
    Nobody needs several million un-loyal, ungrateful neobarbarian freeloaders.
    Mexicans at least can and will work!

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  362. @Mikel

    we now know that a candidate that explicitly promises to change some of those key things in foreign policy can become President (or at least could 6 years ago,

    We also know that even though he utterly failed to change the suicidal course, the cabal hates his guts and is prepared to break any law and completely destroy the legal system to hurt him and his supporters. If he were smarter, more competent, and actually started doing what he promised, the cabal would do to him what they did to Kennedy.

    Btw, knowing all the things that he failed to do, are you going to vote for Trump again if he is the nominee? And would you rather have him run instead of someone who has at least been able to take concrete actions on immigration and the woke insanity like DeSantis?

    If I vote in 2024 (I did not make up my mind yet), I am going to vote against every Democrat on the ballot. IMO, Democrats are guilty of too many things. They nominated an evil bitch in 2016 (remember her mad witch chuckle when she talked about brutal murder of Ghaddafi), and then in 2020 they nominated a person who is corrupt to the core, was always dumb, and now has severe Alzheimer’s. They resorted to unprecedented in the US history election fraud to get this half-corpse “elected”. They are guilty of blatantly lying about covid and forcing useless “vaccinations” on the population (BTW, one of the decisions of Nuremberg tribunal was that performing a medical procedure on a person against his/her will is a crime). They are guilty of bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war. They are guilty of many other things, but these alone would suffice to lock them up for life under the rule of law (some in jail, others in madhouse inside jail).

    So, if Trump ends up being the nominee, I would vote for him. But I would like Republicans to nominate someone more competent and mature than that narcissistic 70-year old teenager.

    • Thanks: S
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    , @Mikel
  363. @Beckow

    “The Greens – whether today, Maoist, or genderless freaks – are simply stupid people with initiative. The kind of people who in the past joined massive revolutionary movements or religious revivals.”

    I am certainly no fan of Greens with their ideas based in fanaticism more than science. However, the Greens in Belgium made a strong statement on war as it is linked to the environment by refusing to send Britain some components related to their nuclear arsenal today. Seems the Green party won an election there and will be in committee soon to make similar decisions so were allowed to anticipate the formal proceedings.

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  364. @showmethereal

    From what I have seen of Crimea the people don’t even consider it liberation …. They seem to be more like “we were always Russia anyway”

    I guess that’s how they feel. Partly because Crimea left the madhouse without any violence. In contrast, because of exactly the same feelings Donbass experienced eight years of brutal war and occupation, with thousands killed and wounded (e.g., since 2014 Ukies murdered and maimed more than 500 children in Donbass). So, for them it is liberation.

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  365. Yahya says:
    @silviosilver

    The thing is, they seem to me to be so closely associated with that culture (or with a particular people/nation) that it creates a barrier for me to completely enjoy it.

    I can see where you’re coming from with the “cultural barrier” thing. Though I ultimately I don’t agree; for me the barrier is no impediment to enjoying an artistic piece of music. In fact, I find that the intellectual component of “high-art” music makes it easier for me to identify with the piece, because I feel like it is operating on the same wavelength, as opposed to some pop tune designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The composer of a classical piece is targeting a tiny subset of the population, whereas a pop musician is aiming too broadly for it to “speak to me”, if you get what I mean. Also, a classical piece isn’t really designed to get you to identify with it or “join in” the same way a pop song would.

    As you can probably tell, I listen to a lot of folk music from around the world. Folk music is nothing if not ethnically particular, but it doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. Now, I do acknowledge that getting into Arabic folk music is a lot easier, and elicits a greater emotional reaction, than listening to foreign folk music. But i’ve also enjoyed listening to non-Arabic folk music, even from cultures that are immensely distant from my own. Japanese people are as alien to me as they come; yet I have been moved greatly by this tune:

    It’s one of my favorite songs of all-time and the first I learned to play on the piano.

    But western culture has been promoting itself as universal culture for so long now, that Wagner becomes accessible in a way he previously wasn’t.

    Yes I’ve heard of the refrain before that Western music is “universal” and belongs to everyone etc. including oddly by Edward Said. I have to disagree completely with that notion; to me it is clear that that genre was developed in a very peculiar place and context which makes it uniquely Western. I also disagree, and to some extent am annoyed, with the premise that Western music is “universal” while everyone else’s is just “ethnic” music or lumped into a generic and overly broad “world music” category. Why should East Asian music, which utilizes 5-tone pentatonic scales and simple time divisions, be put in the same category as Middle Eastern music, which uses 7-tone scales and a wide variety of modes and complex time divisions? The two are clearly as different to each other as Western music is to them.

    Much as I enjoy Beethoven or Mozart or Rachmaninov or Szymanowski etc. they aren’t really universal musicians, but were forged out of a specific milieu in Europe. Had they born in Indonesia or Egypt or Peru, they would not have composed the music they did. Now it’s true that some people from non-Western countries have taken to composing European classical music. But they remain obscure to the vast majority of people in their home countries, practically no-one listens to them (except me!). I don’t think European classical music has reached enough of an audience in non-Western nations to truly be classified as universal.

    My question is: is that an Arabic style you recognize, and if so, what is it and what is its origin?

    I immediately recognized the outfits and the people – they are Upper Egyptian (“Saidi”) peasants. The people who have been tilling the fertile plains of Egypt since the dawn of civilization. They have a unique culture which is quite separate from the urbanized townfolk; which you can immediately tell by their peculiar manner of dress. The music they were playing was Saidi Egyptian folklore. I’m not surprised it fuses well with gypsy music; the clue is in the name.

    I couldn’t really get into them, tbh. Some of them took like three minutes for the vocals to begin. I just don’t have that kind of patience, lol.

    Well this whole thread on music just reinforced my notions that musical tastes are too different; it’s impossible to guess which songs will resonate with another person. I don’t think any of us liked each other’s recommendations. My response to the Colombian playlist was roughly similar to yours; the rhythms are neat, nice to listen to, but ultimately I probably won’t be going back to listen to them frequently. Perhaps if I force myself I could get into Colombian music the same way I did Indian or Turkish or Japanese music.

    But dammit, I would’ve been content had you liked at least one of the songs I recommended. But now I’m compelled to give some more suggestions. This time I will try to tailor it to your tastes, given the new information you’ve presented to me.

    [MORE]

    1) Ehzar and Ya Ossas

    Starting off on the pop side, my favorite all-time singer Julia Boutros, whom I hesitated to mention again in my previous comment for fear of beating on a dead horse. But I love her music (at least some of it), have to put in a word. She has two types of songs: 1) nationalistic/patriotic Lebanese or pan-Arab songs and 2) romantic love songs. The former is what I listen to; can’t stand the romantic mumbo-jumbo (true of any singer really). But I suppose the “particularism” of her nationalistic songs will put you off, so I’m going to attach two songs of hers, one from each category.

    You’ll probably be able to guess which one is which just by quickly listening to the instrumentals.

    2) Ya Zahratan Fi Khayali

    This one is an “Arab tango” originally composed by Syrian Druze émigré Farid Al-Atrash in the 20th century; but performed here by an Armenian singer born in Lebanon:

    I like the instrumentation of this rendition much better than the original. There are a surprisingly large number of excellent renditions of this famous song, some of which include:

    Mirna Kassis (Assyrian):

    Faia Younan (Assyrian): (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0IOOinRXk&ab_channel=rihabchahba)

    Aseel Massoud (Syrian): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqlRNnW2GTs&ab_channel=ATHRODEELAhmad%26Aseel

    Serouj Kradjian (Armenian): (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfZAYGYKpj8)

    Valdimir Troshin (Russian): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44pqhknYvMI&ab_channel=FaridHQ%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%AF

    3) Ya Rayah

    Over to the Maghreb, a jovial tune by the excellent El Gusto Orchestra; this one I’m sure you will like. Hard not to feel upbeat after listening to this track.

    This music belongs to the category of Algerian Chaabi music. The orchestra is comprised of veteran Algerian Muslim and Jewish musicians who were reunited after 50 years of separation owing to the creation of Israel and subsequent flight of Algeria’s Jewish population. The creation of the orchestra has led to a rediscovery of their music, a mix of Andalusian and Berber sounds and religious chants which incorporates strong, guttural singing with an accompanying piano, flute, strings and percussion. The resulting sound is remarkably textured and harmonious. The NYT wrote an article on this orchestra here if you’re interested: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/arts/music/algerian-chaabi-musicians-reunite-in-the-band-el-gusto.html

    4) Mabrouk

    Another pop tune, this time by Yemeni singer Balqees:

    Here i’m hoping the percussion will appeal to you as it is roughly similar to Saidi Egyptian folklore. Balqees’ music is a cut below Julia’s in terms of both the quality of instrumentation and vocal ability. This is evident in their live concerts; the Lebanese singer sounds much better whereas the Yemeni singer requires the aid of a studio sound engineering. Both though are vastly superior to 99% of pop artists around the globe.

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  366. @Beckow

    If he really was, he was deluding himself.

    IMO, that’s the mistake Putin often makes: he overestimates the sanity and intelligence of his adversaries. It is common in Russia to make fun of his manner of calling Western scum “partners”. Judging by what Russia is doing now, he learned his lesson.

  367. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    They resorted to unprecedented in the US history election fraud to get this half-corpse “elected”.

    So, if Trump ends up being the nominee, I would vote for him. But I would like Republicans to nominate someone more competent

    The problem is not competence. Trump’s 1st Term was sabotaged.
        • Mitch McConnell hates MAGA
        • Mitch McConnell controlled Senate confirmations (Judicial and Cabinet)

    Trump had to horse trade for every nomination and thus got, at most, 50% of who he wanted. Does anyone believe Trump voluntarily chose:
        ∞ Mrs. Mitch McConnell, Elaine Chao?
        ∞ John Bolton
    The way that Trump abused & humiliated Bolton with media Bad Cop/Good Cop was both entertaining and effective. He sent Boston out to state something NeoCon (Bad Cop) so Trump could overrule him (Good Cop).

    20/20 hindsight, selecting Jeff Sessions was the worst mistake of Trump’s 1st term. “Judas” Sessions empowered the Russia, Russia, Russia myth, which derailed any relations reset with Putin. However, it is hard to blame this on lack of competence. The selection was highly competent. Sessions’s betrayal was a complete shock that happened with no warning.
    ____

    After winning in 2020, why would Trump step aside (other than medical condition)?

    There is one-and-only-one practical, guaranteed way to prevent future runs for President. Term Limits. Once Trump uses up his 2nd Term, that is it, forever.

    If somehow 2024 is also stolen. That simply sets up TRUMP 2028. If you want to see a new MAGA leader in 2028, your best (and only) choice is helping Trump in 2024.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  368. Mikel says:
    @A123

    Sorry to be blunt but I wasn’t talking to you. Your comments on this topic (whether you believe what you say or not, that’s never been very clear to me) are extremely predictable, repetitive and spammy.

    You may not be able to understand this but, unlike you, I’m not a fanboy of anybody and my expectations with any Republican are low. In fact, I’m not sure I’ll vote for DeSantis, we’ll see. Blindly backing any candidate like you do is for losers. I only care about policies and the main ones for me are end to wars and foreign interventions; closing the border and making sure the US retains something resembling its historical demographic composition; combating wokeness; promoting economic prosperity. Candidates are secondary and you usually have to choose the lesser evil that will hopefully advance at least part of what you believe in.

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  369. @Jazman

    Russia targets substations and power lines

    The domino effect started in Ukrainian electric grid: due to overload quite a few transformers in the remaining substations self-destructed (blew up and caught fire or just caught fire).

    Nobody needs several million un-loyal, ungrateful neobarbarian freeloaders.

    IMO, that’s the greatest problem Putin and his team are trying to solve: to reformat Ukraine while avoiding saddling Russian economy with millions of freeloaders. Regardless of their loyalty: a pig is loyal to the trough where the food is, but that loyalty is worthless.

  370. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    So, if Trump ends up being the nominee, I would vote for him. But I would like Republicans to nominate someone more competent and mature than that narcissistic 70-year old teenager.

    Fair enough. But, unlike in finance, in politics past performance is quite a reliable predictor of future performance, especially with an 80-year old narcissist, so if by any miracle he won in 2024, we may end up getting all you want to avoid from the Democrats and then some more.

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  371. @Mikel

    if by any miracle he won in 2024, we may end up getting all you want to avoid from the Democrats and then some more.

    If he puts a stop to woke insanity, uncontrolled immigration, and forced “vaccination”, it would be an improvement. His con-man approach to contacts with foreign leaders is also a lot more reasonable than what we have now. But you are right, there is little reason to believe that anything else would improve.

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  372. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel

    Sorry to be blunt but your persistent lies have to be countered with the TRUTH.

    Your deception on this topic is extremely predictable, repetitive, and serves the SJW Globalist agenda. I strongly suspect you do not believe what you post as it sounds like mindless regurgitation of debunked DNC talking points.

    I only care about policies and the main ones for me are end to wars and foreign interventions; closing the border and making sure the US retains something resembling its historical demographic composition; combating wokeness; promoting economic prosperity.

    So you want what Trump successfully delivered to the maximum extent possible given non-MAGA opposition within both parties (e.g. Mitch McConnell). Especially, “end to wars and foreign interventions”.

    While every conflict, everywhere, was not 100% concluded within 4 years. — As a matter of objective fact:
        • Active wars were reduced
        • No new wars were started
    This is an amazing achievement considering the war provocation delivered by Khamenei. Why do you refuse to give credit where it is due? It seems like you are hyper focused on Trump as a candidate, incapable of seeing the larger potential of MAGA.

    Everyone notices you were unable to counter a single FACT I presented above and are now attempting, unsuccessfully, to shift the focus. If you want what you say, why are you not backing Trump’s proven successes? One has to believe you are being untruthful. Or, I concede, possibly self delusional.

    All of things on your list can be delivered by supporting MAGA over the long haul. And, there is any easy path for that.
        — Trump in 2024.
        — Followed by likely DeSantis in 2028 and 2032.

    Trying to blowup MAGA by having DeSantis make an anti-MAGA run against Trump in 2024 simply makes no sense. Especially, as you have no proof he will be better. Signs are good, but he should wait to take over the MAGA reins gracefully in 2028. And, I suspect that is what will happen. DeSantis has no pressing need to go head to head with Trump.

    Candidates are secondary

    If candidates are secondary. Why do you have this total commitment against Trump as a candidate? Something does not add up.

    If you genuinely believe what you say. You have an easy choice. Treat candidates as secondary, as you say you believe. Stop lying about candidate Trump’s record. After all that record is to you, secondary. Right?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mikel
  373. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    If [Trump] puts a stop to woke insanity, uncontrolled immigration, and forced “vaccination”, it would be an improvement. His con-man approach to contacts with foreign leaders is also a lot more reasonable than what we have now.

    In a single 4 year term how much is actually achievable?

    Baring some unprecedented shift, MAGA will not have 60 votes in the Senate to end filibusters. That means some compromise will still be required.

    The big 3 in my book are about jobs:

    • Setting up the framework to gradually decouple from Asia (not just China)
    • Beginning MAGA Reindustrialization
    • Limiting migration both legal & illegal

    I am not sure why you describe toughness as “con man”. He did a pretty good job in foreign policy standing up (while sitting down) to unreasonable Euro SJW dribble.

      

    In your opinion, Who is the last President to do better than Trump on foreign policy? The pickings are quite slim. Reagan perhaps?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  374. @A123

    Who is the last President to do better than Trump on foreign policy? The pickings are quite slim.

    The pickings are indeed slim: not much to choose from. If forced, I’d pick Nixon.

    Your pic is a good illustration of what Russians used to say jokingly: among European politicians only Merkel has balls.

    BTW, a shortage of eggs has recently developed in the UK. As in Russian the same word is used for eggs and balls (like in Spanish – huevos), there are now jokes about Brits not having them.

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  375. Yahya says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I’d be interested in hearing your opinion of this album, and what regional influences that you detect – enjoy!

    I’ve actually come across their work before, I think it was you actually who posted them?

    Their music tilts more towards Spanish/Andalusian than Middle Eastern.

    Actually I don’t hear much Middle Eastern elements at all.

    Where is the Qanun, the Oud, the Sitar or the Tambur?

    This is Persian classical music:

    Key differences: slower tempo, more melancholy, different tone color.

    Spanish Andalusian music:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9AxhfJ8xuI&ab_channel=%D7%AA%D7%96%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D%D7%9E%D7%96%D7%A8%D7%97%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%91JerusalemOrchestraE%26W

    Musical idea is much closer to Strunz and Farah.

    I have written posts on Arabic, Turkish and Persian classical music here:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5581415

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-193/#comment-5474079

    [MORE]

    Thanks for the recommendation. Since you are interested in Middle Eastern fusion, I would also recommend checking out the talented Jordanian violinist Layth Sidiq. He has done collaborations with with Greek, Indian and Western musicians.

    Indian-Middle Eastern:

    Greek-Middle Eastern:

    Western-Middle Eastern:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0UgRMFe3oo&ab_channel=JafraProductions%D8%AC%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A5%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%AC

  376. LatW says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Re: The Spectator article.

    I do not blindly believe anything from any source. I use the method I learned back in the USSR: compare what you get from different sources and dismiss everything that serves the source’s purposes. Things reported reluctantly (which are against the narrative the source promotes) have a good chance of being true.

    Right. But you know what the issue is in this case? There may not be enough sources (especially with clearly attributed reports) in this case to begin with. If there really was an agreement between the US and China, as noted in these recent reports after Bali, then in fact it is a really big deal – this could be a 21st century equivalent of Yalta (insert the more appropriate geographic location).

    If this is true, there are big implications for Russia’s neighbors. But as to sources, there probably will not be many open ones. Eventually the US would have to come open about these things, but China doesn’t even have to report any of this – so there may not be any Chinese sources at all, except for maybe some state approved political commentary, which may not even be that explicit. Would be interesting to see if anything was mentioned about this in the Chinese media.

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  377. Mikhail says: • Website

    Great offset to the likes of Ben Hodges, David Petraeus, Jack Keane, Mark Hertling, Cedric Leighton, Jim Stavridis and Barry McCaffrey –

  378. @LatW

    If there really was an agreement between the US and China

    As to rumors about US-China agreement reached on Bali, I have my doubts. Primarily I doubt that very pragmatic Xi would discuss with demented Biden anything of importance, let alone depend on an agreement with a person who will forget about it within minutes. Xi does not strike me as Gorby-type naïve fool.

    Would be interesting to see if anything was mentioned about this in the Chinese media.

    Well, I can’t read Chinese, so their media is closed to me.

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  379. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    Who is the last President to do better than Trump on foreign policy? The pickings are quite slim.

    The pickings are indeed slim: not much to choose from. If forced, I’d pick Nixon.

    The big three after WW II were serious Ike, JFK, Nixon. However, saying nice things about Nixon could get you in a lot of trouble.

    Your pic is a good illustration of what Russians used to say jokingly: among European politicians only Merkel has balls.

    Rumor has it that medication was involved.

     

     

    This was also tried on Macron and Trudeau. Alas, the epic Estrogen count on those two prevented the medication from working. Even Big Pharma could not help them.

    PEACE 😇

  380. @Coconuts

    Yeah productivity is true. But the natives looked at the white invaders the same way. They didn’t care about productivity. Aside from the fact Australia was literally a place for the Brits to get rid of undesirables. In North America – what is left of the native tribes still protest and wish whites would leave their ancestral lands. They don’t care about productivity.

    As to Europe – again most don’t feel sorry. They collectively competed in imperialism- so they collectively absorb. Italy and Spain are the closest across the Med. The destruction of Libya is what unleashed the latest torrent. That was a NATO operation. Well if they share “defense” well hey they all have to share in the fruits of their destabilization. Why Germany chose to accept so many after the Syrian and Iraqi destabilizing I don’t know. But again they are a NATO country. NATO countries follow the U.S. so hey – that’s what happens. For every action there is a reaction. All the Arab Spring psyop is all part of it. NATO has blood on its hands and dirt on its clothes. All those actions hastened the migrant crisis

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    , @Coconuts
  381. @A123

    This was also tried on Macron and Trudeau. Alas, the epic Estrogen count on those two prevented the medication from working. Even Big Pharma could not help them.

    Sad. Their only hope now is to be put on a course of Soybigone treatment. Unfortunately, it will be some time before the treatment takes effect.

  382. German_reader says:
    @showmethereal

    The destruction of Libya is what unleashed the latest torrent.

    That’s only a partial truth (and I was never in favour of Western intervention in Libya) in the sense that the state collapse in Libya means there’s no authority one can make a deal with to keep the migrants from subsaharan Africa away. But the real driver of that migration is the immense population growth in Africa. And paradoxically improvement in living standards in Africa would probably lead to an increase in migration, since more people would have the necessary funds for financing their emigration. Any analysis that ignores these realities is dishonest or simply stupid.
    Similar considerations apply to other migration issues as well. You mention Syria, it’s a common refrain by quite a few commnters here on UR that Western countries have to take in Syrians because of their role in the destabilization of Syria (and as you do, this is then extended to even a country like Germany, whose involvement in Syria has been negligible, because of NATO or some common white man’s guilt or whatever). And sure, there is an awful lot to criticize about the role of the US and some other Western states in that civil war (as there is about the role of the Gulf states and of Turkey…though Turkey at least has paid a heavy price for its meddling). But this is only part of the truth. One has to wonder, why exactly could Syria be destabilized to such an extreme degree? Could it be, because the country experienced totally absurd population growth (from 4,5 million in 1960 to 21 million in 2011), encouraged by a state that wanted cannon fodder, because its nepotistic and corrupt dictatorship then proved unable to provide decent prospects to all the frustrated young men this created, and because rather too many Syrians decided to seek a solution to their problems in an orgy of sectarian killing? And similar processes apply in a lot of those essentially failed societies in the Global South.
    As for your fairy tale about Russia supposedly being different, providing a better model etc., lol, gimme a break, this is all just re-hashed Soviet bs. Russia is just supporting various military thugs who want Wagner mercenaries to crush their internal enemies. People who think differently are just as much suffering from delusions as Americans who believe their country is nothing but a force for good in the world.

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  383. LatW says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Primarily I doubt that very pragmatic Xi would discuss with demented Biden anything of importance, let alone depend on an agreement with a person who will forget about it within minutes

    Personalities are important, but what is more important is the spirit of openness (if it’s real). It seems that some warming of the relationship definitely has taken place. But, of course, if such a huge agreement was made, the question is how it sticks in case someone like Trump comes back or anti-China hawks come in the forefront. It would be a lot of work for the State Department then to tame someone like Trump.

    Xi does not strike me as Gorby-type naïve fool.

    Well, not only that, but China is also not in the same position as the USSR was during Gorby’s time, quite the opposite, in fact. (To be fair to Gorby, he probably couldn’t do all that much more in his position, use of force was a gamble since the masses had been woken up first and foremost within the Russian nation).

    But even if such an agreement was made (that the US will not provide long range missiles (and pressure Ukraine to not take Crimea?) but China will try to deter Russia from the use of nukes), the question is still how this can be enforced (neither of those two countries, no matter how large, have full control over the other countries involved).

  384. @A123

    Bold risk taking is an effect of Emsam, Sam Bankman Fried’s chemical of choice.

    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/the-psychopharmacology-of-the-ftx

  385. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    It seems that some warming of the relationship definitely has taken place.

    The US has just enacted wide-ranging sanctions against China’s semiconductor industry, in a blatant attempt to strangle China’s further economic progress, so that seems rather unlikely. China probably just isn’t keen on the war in Ukraine leading to a world conflagration.

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  386. Sher Singh says:
    @silviosilver

    Ultimately, people care about what they have an interest in.
    I care about White Christian survival due to concubines.

    Euro Pagans due to their being cousins. Why does a Slav care for Turks or Anglos?
    If it’s just crass consumerism & a respect for modern amenities – that’s a dead end.

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    , @silviosilver
  387. Beckow says:
    @Unintended Consequence

    The Belgian Greens come through, wow :)…well, it could be real or a faint, but I will wait for more sustained and substantial Green actions before I would even start listening to them. Maybe it is a simple controlled opposition trick…

  388. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    to strangle China’s further economic progress

    The US doesn’t have to facilitate China’s economic progress and the US has already done a lot for China’s economic progress, historically (at the detriment of their own people, as some on this very website would argue). None of this cancels out what happened in Bali – apparently an attempt to be less confrontational overall. They seemed to agree on two things – that there shouldn’t be war among them and that nuclear threats should not be made by anybody on this planet.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  389. A123 says: • Website

    to strangle China’s further economic progress

    The US doesn’t have to facilitate China’s economic progress and the US has already done a lot for China’s economic progress, historically (at the detriment of their own people, as some on this very website would argue).

    There is no U.S. desire or intent to strangle bourgeoisie CCP Elite rule over their victims, China’s proletariat workers. Such interference in the name of “Manifest Destiny” would be counter productive. If the Han people voluntarily choose bourgeoisie CCP oppression as their desired form of government the U.S. has no cause to interfere.

    This is essential to the philosophy of gradual decoupling and MAGA Reindustrialization. It is simply the straightforward application of the fact that Christian Populist Americans no longer wish to be exploited by CCP Elite aggression.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  390. @A123

    There is no U.S. desire or intent to strangle bourgeoisie CCP Elite rule over their victims, China’s proletariat workers.

    Did you really need this gush of pseudo-Marxist terminology to completely misrepresent the case?

    • Replies: @A123
  391. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    The US doesn’t have to facilitate China’s economic progress and the US has already done a lot for China’s economic progress, historically (at the detriment of their own people, as some on this very website would argue). None of this cancels out what happened in Bali – apparently an attempt to be less confrontational overall.

    Are you now a spokesperson for Biden’s administration? You wrote there has been a warming of relations, which is just absurd given the semiconductor sanctions and the change in the US position on Taiwan (still not complete, but definitely less ambiguous now than before).
    I don’t know either why you’re going on and on about nuclear threats. Russia wasn’t going to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine anyway unless they’re losing really badly (e. g. risk of losing Crimea) or NATO intervenes directly, and nothing about that has changed.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  392. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you really need this gush of pseudo-Marxist terminology

    The Chinese Communist Party [CCP] leads a pseudo-Marxist nation. Thus, accurate use of the terminology is highly appropriate.

    It is also an sincere representation of MAGA intent. If the bourgeois CCP intentionally seeks violent conflict over essential resources, it will be reciprocated. If the CCP focuses on territory in their domain, so be it. I look forwards to the CCP Elite’s attempt to colonize and assimilate Afghanistan into the Greater “Silk Road” Han Dynasty.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  393. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/11/harvard-guru-gives-biden-a-d-for-china-policy/

    Now, how about China policy more narrowly? This restriction on semiconductors is a declaration of economic war. It’s completely disproportionate to any of the problems we have with China. This is going 30, 40% of the way toward what we did with Japan, cutting off their oil before Pearl Harbor. Semiconductors are the key to the modern world.

    This validates every crazy nationalistic Chinese professor who’s been arguing that our goal all along has been to keep China down, to prevent them from growing. In terms of the relationship, it’s just awful. It’s an escalation. People don’t realize this is a declaration of war.

    […]

    Now, back to the bigger picture. In China policy, Biden has done two important things.

    One is, he has completely reneged on the 1979 agreement that’s been the basis for peace in Taiwan. What did we say in that agreement? That we will not have official relations, we will not have an alliance.

    Now Biden has said four times he will defend Taiwan. That’s called an alliance.

    When Nancy Pelosi went to Taiwan, she was very careful to label it an official visit. And then immediately after a meeting with Taiwan’s President, Tsai Ing-wen’s spokeswoman went on their national TV and said Taiwan is a sovereign and independent country.

    That was the culmination of Pelosi’s visit—a complete breach of the US promises that have kept Taiwan safe for over four decades.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @S
    , @showmethereal
  394. @German_reader

    Russia wasn’t going to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine

    The likelihood of Russia using nukes in Ukraine is the same or lower that the probability of Yellowstone volcano erupting tomorrow morning. But it’s a boogieman very useful for the greedy US MIC, so everyone in its pay keeps repeating it.

  395. @A123

    Thus, accurate use of the terminology is highly appropriate.

    Then use it accurately. Greedy US bourgeoisie (corporations) shifted production to China because Chinese proletarians are a lot cheaper than American proletarians. Reduced labor costs boosted their profits. For the same reason this greedy bourgeoisie shifted production to other locales with cheaper proletarians: Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc. The upside for the US is that it is getting real goods (admittedly, mostly of poor quality) while paying with colored paper it can print in unlimited quantities.

    There are several downsides, though. One, lots of industrial jobs in the US are lost. Two, the US stopped being self-sufficient, as almost everything, from socks to computers, is now made in China or similar locales. Even the US weapons industry would grind to a standstill without components made in countries with cheap proletarians. Some of the filthy rich among the US bourgeoisie got worried: the Ponzi scheme of the US dollar is enforced by the US military capabilities. If this Ponzi scheme collapses, that would be the end of the US domination and their personal riches. End of story.

    • Replies: @A123
  396. @AnonfromTN

    Yep. Voting in local elections is usually far more effective than any national races. Of course everyone thinks it’s the opposite case, which is a shame.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  397. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Are you serious? You must have been subjected to some astoundingly bad cooking! I love good Thanksgiving food. Of course every dish in the roster can be cooked badly, but when it’s good it’s really good!

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
  398. @Jatt Aryaa

    I’m not surprised. Hopefully it gets some hard pushback, but it doesn’t seem like Canada has much gumption that way.

    As an aside from the article. I didn’t know the SKS was so popular with Canadian sportsman. I’ve always liked mine and thought it is an underrated gun. Cheap to buy and cheap to shoot, though I recently saw that non-reloadable Russian made ammo is now double what it was several years ago when I bought a bunch.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  399. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    I am using it properly. Why are you intentionally misrepresenting your case?

    Greedy CCP bourgeoisie exploited an unequal system. They used CCP subsidies and foreign lobbying to transfer jobs and economic activity from the U.S. to China. Yes. Multinational MegaCorporations were evil co-collaborators.

    =============================================
                A state without industrial policy has
    Neither economic security, Nor national security.
    =============================================

    MAGA-nomics is about establishing a highly competitive industrial policy. Reshoring everything that the CCP, MegaCorporations, and other bourgeoisie pillaged is the minimum essential task to regain American jobs for American citizens. This is how the U.S. re-establishes both economic and national security.

    If ending CCP bourgeoisie exploitation includes sending executives of multinational MegaCorporations to… Ahem… Reeducation… So mote it be.

    This simple economic reality about jobs and economic activity should not be hard for anyone to grasp.
    ___

    Let me put it this way… It might be easier to grasp for some readers with a certain cinematic bent.

    CCP Elite bourgeoisie and MegaCorporations executives are in the car together. They get to go off the cliff together like Thelma & Louise. If you are spending intellectual cycles trying to decide which is “Thelma” and which is “Louise” you are wasting your time. Both receive the same outcome, driver & passenger alike.

    All must meet their fate.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
  400. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    Thanksgiving is a “butter” holiday. The baking goodness of dressing (Northerners may call it stuffing) is a joy. Then let the rivers of gravies flow.

    Are separate tureens of turkey gravy and pork/bacon gravy common to every Thanksgiving table? Or, is it unique to certain parts of the South? You need one for the ham and one for the bird.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  401. @Barbarossa

    Turkey, mash potatoes, dressing, gravy in combination makes me want to puke to think about it. (I exaggerate here a tiny little bit.)

  402. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t know either why you’re going on and on about nuclear threats.

    I’m just recounting the points that they agreed on during the G20 meeting. You, AnonT and a few others are the ones who have been constantly bringing up the “nuclear threat” for months now, over and over. Of course, Russia will not use nukes, not even when they have to exit Crimea (there are some news that they are already preparing an evacuation, just in case, and Ukraine hit Dzhankoi which is quite deep inside Crimea). These statements by China are just an extra confirmation of that.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AnonfromTN
  403. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Turkey, mash potatoes, dressing, gravy in combination makes me want to puke to think about it. (I exaggerate here a tiny little bit.)

    Hmmm….. The problem is insufficient gravy.

    Turkey & gravy, mashed potatoes & gravy, dressing & gravy, ham & gravy, biscuits & gravy, gravy & gravy in combination

    That is much butter… Err… Better.

    PEACE 😇

  404. LatW says:
    @A123

    They get to go off the cliff together like Thelma & Louise. If you are spending intellectual cycles trying to decide which is “Thelma” and which is “Louise” you are wasting your time. Both receive the same outcome, driver & passenger alike.

    Oh, and the American worker is like the Brad Pitt character who leaves with the cash, right? LOL. Except he wouldn’t be stealing.

    • Agree: A123
  405. @A123

    Ham doesn’t seem to be a Thanksgiving thing around here, but it seems like the South does two meats for everything. We usually do ham for Christmas, and my timing should be good since I’ll have my two pigs back by then!

    I agree on the butter though. We went up to my parents for Thanksgiving which is nice, but my Mom is a somewhat indifferent cook, so I spent some time adjusting things, a process which involved a lot of butter. I basted 1/2 a lb of herbed butter on the turkey which makes for a good gravy base and a moist bird, not to mention the mashed potatoes which ate up another 2 sticks.

    We’re on the same page with Thanksgiving food, but I really worry about Emil Nikola Richard though. What kind of Cormac McCarthyesqe dystopian hellscape of Thanksgiving did he have to endure as a youth? Or does he just prefer PBJs? The questions make one’s mind reel!

    • Replies: @A123
  406. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    there are some news that they are already preparing an evacuation, just in case

    There are hundreds of thousands of Russians in Crimea who don’t want to live under Ukrainian rule, maybe you should face up to that fact. If there were a real risk of Russia losing Crimea, it’s not clear at all that Russia wouldn’t use nukes. If I were Putin, I certainly would use them in such a scenario.
    But that’s the problem with you, you identify 100% with every single Ukrainian demand, even the ones that are completely unreasonable, there is never any limit or any thought how badly this could all end. It’s not enough if Ukraine is preserved as a sovereign state that controls the territories where people actually are and feel Ukrainian, no, victory has to be total and 30-year old borders in ethnically muddled border regions have to be sacrosanct. Absolute lunacy.

    • Replies: @LatW
  407. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    Just calm down. I didn’t say that this is good or bad. I have absolutely no desire to discuss it with you.

    I was merely stating the facts about what had recently happened – there is work going on to clear out the corridor to Crimea and that Crimea has already been hit. That’s all.

    In your case I’d be more worried about what could happen in Europe if Putin continues his terroristic attacks on the peaceful infrastructure. There could be more waves of refugees.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  408. @Emil Nikola Richard

    So, this raises the pertinent question? What food do you really like? We know that you don’t like Indian food or Thanksgiving fare. I feel like these indirectly encompass and rule out a substantial amount of culinary ground.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  409. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    In your case I’d be more worried about what could happen in Europe if Putin continues his terroristic attacks on the peaceful infrastructure. There could be more waves of refugees.

    This might actually not be that bad from a German perspective, the more Ukrainian men are killed in the war and the more women and children leave the country, the higher the chances for German men of getting a Ukrainian girlfriend.
    Seriously, what do you expect me to say? Obviously not great that Ukrainians are without energy and heating as winter approaches, it’s not something I’m happy about. But apart from sending Ukraine anti-air defense systems and evacuating Ukrainian civilians to the EU, it’s not like all that much can be done. And I don’t think you can claim any moral high ground either, since it’s people like you who are in favour of victory at any cost.

    • Replies: @LatW
  410. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    Ham doesn’t seem to be a Thanksgiving thing around here, but it seems like the South does two meats for everything. We usually do ham for Christmas, and my timing should be good since I’ll have my two pigs back by then!

    Ham is precooked, preserved, and lasts for weeks as a leftover. I suspect it is a combination of tradition and practicality. Particularly huge Thanksgiving ham may make it all the way to Christmas if it is an enthusiastic, salty cure.

    The Christmas centerpiece will be beef. However, ham availability is guaranteed. It usually appears as dinner one or two days prior so the fatty ham sections can appear in other dishes, green been casserole. Ham bone and less savory bits become soup/stew base.

    Butter and other fats + flour = ROUX. If you have good drippings the gravy always works. I suspect my usual Thanksgiving hosts are slipping some bacon grease into the turkey gravy… As the result is outstanding, I am not even going to ask the question.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    P.S. The first humor GIF under MORE was intended for you.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-202/#comment-5676131

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  411. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    – Sweet potatoes sliced and in the final minutes of baking, sliced with marsh mellow and pineapple cubes

    – dark turkey meat with cranberry sauce

    – white turkey meat with gravy

    – apple cider

    – white turkey meat with gravy

    – vegetable stuffing, cooked with and independent of turkey

    – pecan, pumpkin and coconut pies.

    In addition, I make a vegetarian chili with rice using red kidney beans, along with V8 low sodium vegetable juice and the McCormick low sodium chili powder.

    Leftovers make for great turkey sandwiches and soup, using the bones and the jellied gravy, along with the low sodium V8.

  412. @Barbarossa

    For protein I eat a lot of eggs and dairy. For the rest I eat vegetables, fruits, nuts. Very little meat, around a pound a month. For dinner I had 2 hard boiled eggs and red kidney beans that I boiled for three hours after soaking them in salt-saturated water for two hours. The last twenty minutes there was a half onion chopped and three tablespoons of granulated garlic tossed in there. And some yogurt (the real stuff–I cannot stand low fat yogurt) and some grapes.

    You probably think I am a barbarian but I have spent 0 dollars 0 cents in the last year at McDonald’s Taco Bell Kentucky Fried Chicken Subway Starbucks.

    Pumpkin pie and cranberries + fsck-ton granulated sugar are also not items that I consider to be food. If that stuff is so great how come everybody eats it only once a year?

    Mexicans and Italians and Chinks know how to cook. Indians do not.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    , @Barbarossa
  413. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    the higher the chances for German men of getting a Ukrainian girlfriend.

    You should have German girlfriends.

    And I don’t think you can claim any moral high ground either, since it’s people like you who are in favour of victory at any cost.

    At least I support those who are not cowards in the face of mass murderers.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  414. S says:
    @German_reader

    This is going 30, 40% of the way toward what we did with Japan, cutting off their oil before Pearl Harbor. Semiconductors are the key to the modern world…

    ..This validates every crazy nationalistic Chinese professor who’s been arguiing that our goal all along has been to keep China down, to prevent them from growing. In terms of the relationship, it’s just awful. It’s an escalation. People don’t realize this is a declaration of war.

    Thanks. This is a very insightful and important analysis.

    For some reason, the two quoted can’t simply say this is all quite deliberate on the part of the United States. The power of the ‘Big Lie’, I suppose, the hard truth being simply too impalatable, too horrible, for them to even think about, let alone speak of.

    That truth being, the US/UK, point by point, is using WWII as it’s template in it’s present course of actions in regards to Russia.

    In WWIII, from the US/UK perspective, Russia is the new Germany, Putin the ‘new Hitler’. As a microcosm, Putin, after failing to take Kiev, is bogged down in Ukraine, the same as Hitler, after failing to take Moscow, was bogged down in Russia, each leader, despite the fact that the United States is already in effect at war with them, refusing thus far to take the bait and simply declare war on the US.

    The United States, therefore, needs a ‘backdoor’ to enter more forcibly and directly into war, with Germany then, and with Russia today.

    In WWII, this was accomplished via the backdoor of Japan and the accompanying embargoes of oil and scrap metal. In WWIII, the backdoor for US war with Russia is China and an accompanying embargo in regards to Chinese semiconductor production.

    In response, Japan obliged the United States with it’s Dec 7, 1941 attack upon Pearl Harbor. Germany, honoring it’s treaty obligations with Japan, then declared war upon the United States, just as the US had desired.

    Will China, in response to this embargo upon it, attack the United States? Will this then bring Russia to declare war upon the United States, in solidarity with China, just as the US desires?

    We shall see.

    [I’m not for what I’m describing here, ie what it appears they are attempting to do. I think the historically slavery corrupted elites and hangers on of the US/UK should of been overthrown long ago.]

    Speaking of backdoor attacks, the below excerpt is from pg 109 of the 1853 book The New Rome.

    ‘Russia has expended all her forces in making a formidable display on her Western border. The United States are already digging the trenches for an attack in the rear.’

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up

  415. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    At least I support those who are not cowards in the face of mass murderers.

    No, you just use the war in Ukraine as a vehicle to live out your braindead romantic fantasies, because your own nation in its complete and utter insignificance will of course never be able to wage the kind of heroic struggle you fantasize about and will always be limited to unhinged verbal extremism. But sure, for now Ukrainians will regard people like you who egg them on to completely exclude any compromise (because you can’t talk with “mass murderers” after all) as their best friends. Maybe they will have second thoughts when Ukraine has been completely wrecked and de-populated.

    • Replies: @LatW
  416. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    who egg them on

    They don’t need to be egged on.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  417. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    imo it’s still irresponsible to do so. And before you start with any nonsense about “cowards” etc. (yes, yes, I get it, German men are degenerates, unlike the Ukrainian heroes, to some extent that may unfortunately even be true), I have never suggested Ukraine should just surrender. This is a question about war aims, at what point the benefits of continuing the fight outweigh the negatives and under which conditions the war can be ended. As it now looks, Russia can’t conquer Ukraine, but still do substantial damage. And the behaviour of Zelensky’s government (trying to bring about direct NATO intervention, going on about the “liberation” of Crimea) is simply appalling. They need to be told to aim at realistic core goals and stop this nonsense.

    • Replies: @LatW
  418. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    German men are degenerates, unlike the Ukrainian heroes, to some extent that may unfortunately even be true

    Look, I never said anything bad about German men specifically (or didn’t mean to imply). But if you want to dish out, then learn to take it back.

    As it now looks, Russia can’t conquer Ukraine, but still do substantial damage.

    They will continue doing damage as long as they are allowed to, most likely even during any potential negotiations, you don’t see it that way but their goal is to destroy that nation, not simply impose their will. I already told you that if they had just tried to take the Donbas, like their generals suggested, it would be one thing, and, while not great, it probably wouldn’t merit an all out existential fight. But they overplayed their hand and went too far. If they are allowed to keep their gains, then it is just a matter of time when the war will restart – the Ukrainians have said over and over that they do not want to leave this to their children. This is not even my subjective outlook (personally I feel that those who don’t want to live together shouldn’t be forced to, ideally), I’m just explaining how they think. Trust me, they don’t need to be egged on, after what was done to them, they don’t.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Mikel
  419. Mikhail says: • Website

    Springprincess #IStandWithRussia🇷🇺
    @TamrikoT
    When Russians find bodies of the dead Ukraine soldiers, they commit them to the ground and make a mark for Ukrainians to find them and identify.
    Ukraine Nazis never have any respect for neither fallen nor alive Russian soldiers.

    [MORE]

  420. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    the Ukrainians have said over and over that they do not want to leave this to their children.

    If this goes on for years, there won’t be all that many Ukrainian children in Ukraine to leave anything to. There are about 200 000 Ukrainian children in German schools now, I suppose more in Poland. The country is being de-populated at a rapid pace. SPIEGEL recently had a story about Ukrainian teenagers in Hamburg, and the tenor already was “We have much better chances here, we don’t want to go back”. Comments like by Zelensky’s wife along the lines “If necessary, we can tolerate being without power for 2-3 years” are just crazy, who’s going to live under such conditions when people can go to the EU instead.
    I don’t think Ukraine should just give up territories where the majority of the population before the war was clearly Ukrainian in sentiment, obviously there are limits to what could be conceded. But I don’t see how aiming at some kind of total victory over Russia (whose original goals in this war have already failed btw) is going to lead to anything but disaster.

    • Replies: @LatW
  421. @Barbarossa

    Voting in local elections is usually far more effective than any national races.

    Assuming “local” means municipal rather than state, describe some of its successes.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @Barbarossa
  422. German_reader says:

    Trump apparently had dinner with Kanye West and Nick Fuentes:
    https://www.axios.com/2022/11/25/trump-nick-fuentes-ye-kanye

    [MORE]

    A source familiar with the conversation told Axios Trump took a phone call during the dinner, and his demeanor toward Ye seemed to change when he got off the call. Trump made some nasty comments about Ye’s ex-wife, Kim Kardashian, and told the rapper to pass them on.
    Ye, who has lost major sponsorships over his anti-Semitism and recent far-right associations, has said he wants to run for president in 2024. The rapper claims Trump started “screaming” at him at the dinner and told him he would lose — “most perturbed” by Ye asking Trump to be his running mate.

    What they’re saying: “Kanye West very much wanted to visit Mar-a-Lago. Our dinner meeting was intended to be Kanye and me only, but he arrived with a guest whom I had never met and knew nothing about,” Trump said in a statement.
    A Trump spokesman did not provide comment on additional reporting about the dinner. Fuentes did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
    Behind the scenes: A source familiar with the dinner conversation told Axios that Trump “seemed very taken” with Fuentes, impressed that the 24-year-old was able to rattle off statistics and recall speeches dating back to his 2016 campaign.
    Paraphrasing the conversation, the source said Fuentes told the president he preferred him to be “authentic,” and that Trump seemed scripted and unlike himself during his recent 2024 campaign announcement speech.
    Trump responded, “You like it better when I just speak off the cuff,” the source said. Fuentes replied that he did, calling Trump an “amazing” president when he was unrestrained. “There was a lot of fawning back and forth,” the source added.
    Fuentes told Trump that he represented a side of Trump’s base that was disappointed with his newly cautious approach, especially with what some far-right activists view as a lack of support for those charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack.
    Trump didn’t disagree with Fuentes, but said he has advisers who want him to read off teleprompters and be more “presidential.” Notably, Trump referred to himself as a politician, which he has been loathe to do in the past.
    Fuentes also told Trump that he would crush potential 2024 Republican rivals in a primary, including Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Trump asked for Fuentes’ opinion on other candidates as well.
    Trump at one point turned to Ye and said, “I really like this guy. He gets me,” according to the source.

    Since Jared failed so badly in 2020, maybe Andrew Anglin can become Trump’s campaign manager for 2024.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @S
    , @songbird
  423. Coconuts says:
    @Sher Singh

    Why does a Slav care for Turks or Anglos?
    If it’s just crass consumerism & a respect for modern amenities – that’s a dead end.

    From my irl experience of Belarusians, apart from the ties to local Slavic culture and Russia or Poland, plenty of the more educated ones seem to be ‘Northern Euro’ orientated, looking to Scandanavia, Netherlands, Switzerland, WASPs in the US for political and cultural inspiration, Germany for technology.

    I found this noticeable because the educated liberal people in the UK had a different orientation, similar to what SilvioSliver was talking about in Australia, where they value a mixture of aborigine, Native American and tribal cultures generally, blacks etc.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    , @Dmitry
  424. @German_reader

    You probably wouldn’t expect Trump to know who Fuentes was, but it’s kinda astonishing that no one among Trump’s handlers knew who he was either – or were there these people simply not around? Or were they around, knew who Fuentes was, but didn’t think that was anything to be alarmed by? If so, I’m not honestly not sure if that is good or bad. Obviously bad in terms of PR, but maybe not so bad in terms of how far up “far right” ideas have infiltrated?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @A123
  425. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver

    I’m more amazed that Trump met Kanye after all the recent controversy, his handlers can’t have missed all of that after all. Maybe A123 should start to be concerned, could it be that Trump will really be like Hitler in his 2nd term and start to persecute Judeo-Christians?

    • LOL: A123
  426. Coconuts says:
    @showmethereal

    But the natives looked at the white invaders the same way. They didn’t care about productivity. Aside from the fact Australia was literally a place for the Brits to get rid of undesirables. In North America – what is left of the native tribes still protest and wish whites would leave their ancestral lands. They don’t care about productivity.

    Iirc the point was originally more about the difference between European settlers and Africans migrants coming to Europe. Africans, MENA and others coming to Europe are definitely motivated by the level of economic development there, they do not appear to be drawn by a desire for uncultivated land or Europe’s raw natural resources. Nor by a selfless Kantian moral imperative to seek pure justice or to save Euros from their moral backwardness.

    Generally, this idea that the difference in value between the level of development of modern Australia or the US and Native American tribes is completely subjective, and in theory one is just as valuable or good as another is also very popular among white progressives at the moment and has a lot of political significance for them. It might be cynical, but I think the reason these claims are taken seriously is because it suits the broader political interests of powers like the US and China to do so, at least superficially.

    As to Europe – again most don’t feel sorry. They collectively competed in imperialism- so they collectively absorb.

    European countries are organising this themselves (in various cases it has been organised by the colonialists who used to run the empires). I was saying that reparations for colonialism is not a significant or relevant factor. Afaik Libya was a Franco-British operation, not a NATO one, but these immigration trends pre-date by 20 years, even decades more. The actual cause is highlighted by German_reader, major growth in populations outside Europe, better communications, easier travel, plus declining indigenous populations in Europe. The present European economic and political systems currently depend on growth, diversity and expanding populations, so they have a natural openness and attractive pull.

    Ironically, the Nordic countries with the most idealistic immigration policies are the ones with the least participation in colonialism.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  427. @German_reader

    Negroes r da real Joos now, can’t be antisemetic if you’re persecuting just fake ones;)

  428. @German_reader

    You’re quite right. That alone is astonishing, but perhaps excusable based on their prior dealings, and also comports with Trump’s renegade maverick approach to politics. It’s hard to see what actual good could possibly come of it though. (Or have I completely misread Trump, and the “literally Hitler” accusations had some merit after all, and he really is planning on forming a “death con 3” alliance with Ye?)

    I too await A123’s update.

    @sudden death

    Negroes r da real Joos now, can’t be antisemetic if you’re persecuting just fake ones;)

    Have you followed the flap on twitter? Credit where it’s due, those real Jew groids are doing a knockdown troll job on the ‘fake’ Jews. Well, they’re not really trolling, they’re actually sincere. It’s just funny seeing the usual “that’s nazi!” accusations falling flat and being nimbly sidestepped.

  429. A123 says: • Website
    @silviosilver

    You probably wouldn’t expect Trump to know who Fuentes was, but it’s kinda astonishing that no one among Trump’s handlers knew who he was either – or were there these people simply not around?

    Fuentes was unexpectedly part of Kanye’s entourage. (1)

    Trump’s campaign provided Breitbart News with this statement from President Trump: “Kanye West very much wanted to visit Mar-a-Lago. Our dinner meeting was intended to be Kanye and me only, but he arrived with a guest whom I had never met and knew nothing about.”

    Going to the house of a private citizen does not have the same sort of security pre-clearance as a White House visit. How should the unknown, but non threatening, guest be handled? Odds are there were no staff who could sight recognize Fuentes.

    If everyone who ever had a single dinner with someone they do not know is eliminated from Presidential eligibility… Who remains? Spending more than a few minutes on this part of the story is desperation given form and substance.

     

     

    Intentionally meeting with Kanye is much more problematic. There is plenty of staff with lead time to head off “Ye Mistake”. By itself, this goes in the category of unforced error. Unlikely to inflict long term damage, but certainly less than prudent. Expect future private meetings to have more strict preparation & invitation control.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-dined-at-mar-a-lago-with-white-nationalist-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes-alongside-kanye-west/

  430. S says:
    @German_reader

    Trump apparently had dinner with Kanye West and Nick Fuentes:

    Trump, much like his counterpart Putin, does not in reality believe in the identity of peoples, ie peoplehood, or, nationalism. It is simply empty symbolism of empty symbolism with these two.

    Never the less, for those self proclaimed ‘progressives’ which may be a bit slow on the uptake, things like this purported dinner with Fuentes that Trump has had, the same as Trump having said years back that there were good and decent people on ‘both sides’ at Charlottesville, is quite deliberate and designed to ensure that the prog’s psychological conditioning is ‘triggered, ie that Trump (like Putin) is ‘literally a new Hitler’.

    For today’s delusional US progressive, fighting Putin in Ukraine is fighting Trump by proxy, which in turn for them is fighting Hitler by proxy, the latter being the designated evil poster boy for any and all expressions of peoplehood since 1933-45, irrespective of what the actual reality might truly be.

    [MORE]

    As for the war in Ukraine, Ukraine being to WWIII what Poland was to WWII, ie it’s flashpoint, the war thus far is going swimmingly for it’s anti-identity promoters. Their air forces effectively being grounded, both Russia and Ukraine have been reduced to fighting high casualty WWI style trench warfare, ensuring that their best, brightest, and bravest men are being killed or maimed in large numbers at the front.

    Relatedly, Ukraine is bleeding huge numbers of it’s people as refugees, many, if not most, to never return. This in turn is further destabilizing what remains of the identity of those European peoples which have taken them in. [Russia, too, has lost some of it’s people as refugees, but not in the high numbers percentage wise as Ukraine has.]

    Last, but certainly not least, the war between Ukraine and Russia is generating vast amounts of hatred between the two, which the war’s promoters stoke, and in turn feed off of, making them stronger.

    For any not liking this and where it is headed, first and foremost, the people of the Anglosphere countries (where much of this is emanating from) should stand down and refuse to support the war in any way, shape, or form, even if this is entirely unilateral. Though I realize it may seem counter intuitive where things are a bit hotter, I would suggest something similar for Ukraine and Russia, ie to stand down.

    Fight, if one must, but, on one’s own terms, not as here, where everyone involved has been manipulated into fighting against their own interests.

    Get right with God, all this not necessarily being in the order I have suggested.

  431. Anybody who has any interest in football , should be praying for a Saudi Arabian victory against Poland – the most boring, negative worthless scumbag international team on the planet. The match against Mexico by them was a disgrace – typical polish faggot loser mentality – the same story in the last few international tournaments they have qualified for, despite having at least 3 very high class players.

    Encapsulates much of the failure nation’s mentality the style of play

    • Replies: @Beckow
  432. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    When did Yeezy join the wignat movement?

    Isn’t he a trifle too pigmented too fit in?

    PEACE 😇

  433. S says:

    Ukraine taking aid from the US/UK is like the proverbial thirsty castaway afloat on the ocean giving into temptation and drinking seawater.

    In each instance, unless they stop doing so soon, they won’t be long for this world.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  434. @S

    That analogy only goes so far. In one case there is a single brain / spirit / will.

    There are plenty of Ukrainians who aren’t stupid but they have to keep mum until the poop show passes.

    • Agree: S
  435. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Turkey, mash potatoes, dressing, gravy in combination makes me want to puke to think about it.

    I do not feel so strongly about it, but…

    Maybe because I am a red meat fan, I only value birds with flavor. Say, duck has a special flavor, and I like it. Turkey, on the other hand, IMO is just an overgrown poor quality chicken. Tried roasted traditional Thanksgiving way turkey some years ago and was underwhelmed. Tried smoked turkey later. IMO chicken is much better that way, too.

    Ham is a separate story. I like pork, including roasted pork. I like Italian prosciutto crudo, and other Italian cold-smoked parts of a pig, particularly neck. I like French jambon, or Spanish jamon Serrano. But what is called ham in the US is hopelessly spoiled by additives and artificial coloring.

    Have to admit, though, that I like mashed potatoes. I mean real ones, not the crap sold under this name in supermarkets (all varieties, not only Hungry Jack).

    I know three American-invented foods I really like: spare ribs, cheesecake, and barbeque. Have to admit, though, that I like pizza in the US much more than Italian pizza. If you order two toppings in Italy, you get a pizza with one half having one topping, and the other half the second one. I like American multi-topping pizza much better, particularly meat lovers’ variety.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Mikel
  436. Beckow says:
    @Gerard1234

    Poland lacked flair against Mexico, but were quite competent. Saudis looked good, but they are not really ‘Saudis’. Iran beating Wales was nice, the setup with US is great… The thing about Poland is that Poles are generally gifted people with a touch of normalcy that is refreshing – but on a state level they collapse into obsessive genuflecting towards selected betters. They usually pick a dreamed off far-away Western power, they did it with France and Vatican, moved on to England, today US. It undermines everything about them, as if they were only real up to a point and then enthusiastic servitude.

    Poles lack flair and that can be fatal. Others who lack flair often have grace, but Poles don’t have grace either – they are flat and obedient, always going through predetermined compulsory steps. JP II was typical – public obedience but no depth, he never did anything unexpected. I hope ‘Saudis‘ clobber them. My bet is on Brazil-Croatia at some point, could be fun…The Belgian pedos also look promising. And after the embarrassing German hand-over-mouth circus, I hope they go home soon to celebrate their rainbow overlords.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Gerard1234
  437. @LatW

    Of course, Russia will not use nukes, not even when they have to exit Crimea (there are some news that they are already preparing an evacuation, just in case, and Ukraine hit Dzhankoi which is quite deep inside Crimea).

    More figments of sick (or cocaine-induced) imagination of Ukie propagandists. All of this is as fake as the story told by Ukie talking head Danilov about Ukraine killing in Crimea Iranians who were teaching Russians to operate their drones.

    Considering how things are going, there will be many more self-consoling lies spread by desperate Ukies and/or their puppeteers. Funny thing is, w/o electricity much fewer people hear these lies on Ukie TV. Also, to the delight of moderators of many websites, with Internet down in much of Ukraine, the number of Ukie trolls dropped precipitously.

  438. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Meat on pizza is an aberration, it should have never been tried. Meat has to be eaten separately with respect it deserves. The bready stuff is suspicious anyway, at least in Italy they go light on bread and more on flavor. Good bio stock those Italians, I just wish they were taller.

    Birds are nervous animals, chickens most of all. When we eat too much poultry it seeps in. Chickens were domesticated in India and looking at the results it all makes sense – no beef, skinny chickens or a chick-pea yellowish mushy paste. The summary of Indians…

    I am with you on bbq. The best thing we could do is to drop the humans to around one billion and raise cattle on the freed land. Today Ukies are busy helping, the Black Sea steppes are ideal for beef…

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
  439. Mikel says:
    @A123

    Everyone notices you were unable to counter a single FACT I presented above

    Sorry if I hurt your feelings by not debating your points. I always have plenty of activities programmed for the weekends and they take precedence over online debates, especially of the kind you like to engage in. To be totally fair, you did manage to come up with a couple of decent excuses of why one would take part in an election knowing that it was rigged but the whole idea of Democrats being able to steal the elections with the help of traitor Republicans and Trumpists still wanting to take part in those elections is nutty.

    Btw, you also hurt my feelings when I saw that you didn’t include accusations of being a covert Muslim in your tirade against me. I found it unfair that only some commenters get the Islamist treatment from you. What do I have to do to join that club?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @A123
  440. @Emil Nikola Richard

    You probably think I am a barbarian but I have spent 0 dollars 0 cents in the last year at McDonald’s Taco Bell Kentucky Fried Chicken Subway Starbucks.

    That pretty much describes me too, so you’ll get no complaint from this quarter. I did get something from a Wendy’s once in the last year since I was on the road at 10PM and needed something for dinner. The choices were either a bag of chips at the gas station or a hot “burger” at the adjoining Wendy’s. I choose the latter, but cripes the meal package was like $9 and was crappy. I can’t believe that people eat that as a matter of routine.

    It sounds like you like a pretty simple food routine. Personally I like things jam packed, so Thanksgiving is right up my alley. This morning I made scrambled eggs with sauteed onions, spinach, bacon, and extra sharp chedder cheese, topped with some paprika and finished in the broiler till crisp and bubbly on top. Paired with a couple slices of sourdough bread and coffee that is average breakfast at my house. My wife would happily eat the same scrambled egg every day, but I like going all out.

    We actually don’t do that much sugar around here, and mostly sweeten with maple syrup and honey. Even then things are quite lightly sweetened compared to most people. I can get honey from a local guy by the 5 gallon pail and this spring I’m getting a 55 gallon drum bulk drum of syrup that I’m splitting with some other families. The syrup is less than $20 a gallon in bulk like that. So some lightly sweetened pumpkin pie topped with some similarly lightly sweetened whipped cream is not gross at all and very flavorful. I agree with you though that most deserts are way too sweet and can be gross.

    In modern processed cooking sugar+sodium are substitutes for actual flavor, but when you start with actual good tasting ingredients, rich food can be really good.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Mr. Hack
  441. @Beckow

    I hope ‘Saudis‘ clobber them.

    Too bad for you. And just to rub it in, one of the goalscorers was named Zielinski.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  442. @Mikel

    Btw, you also hurt my feelings when I saw that you didn’t include accusations of being a covert Muslim in your tirade against me. I found it unfair that only some commenters get the Islamist treatment from you. What do I have to do to join that club?

    Excellent trolling!

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Jazman
  443. @A123

    P.S. The first humor GIF under MORE was intended for you.

    Thanks, I saw that. That is one way to get a fat pig! Pigs are smart, there is no doubt about that.

    I suspect my usual Thanksgiving hosts are slipping some bacon grease into the turkey gravy

    I would say that would be an excellent use of bacon grease. One of my pet peeves are people that get rid of their bacon grease. I’m not sure you can trust someone like that. They are probably queers or commies or both!

    I would say that Turkey usually needs some help to remain moist and make a decent gravy base. All the herbed butter I used for basting fit the bill in my case. My wife made a good roux gravy with those drippings. It’s such a different thing than store bought gravy.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  444. @Barbarossa

    I agree with you though that most deserts are way too sweet and can be gross.

    That’s a purely American failing. Deserts in most of the world are sweetened just right, not overly sugary.

    In modern processed cooking sugar+sodium are substitutes for actual flavor

    That, again, is an American thing. Europeans and Asians do not spoil their food that way. In fact, even Brits (about whom Poirot said correctly “you don’t have cuisine, you have food”) serve better food than you find in the US. I switched to buying exclusively “low sodium” or “no sodium” stuff, as I find regular stuff inedible.

  445. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    It is pretty obvious that Mikel personally fears me. That he is incapable of engaging in constructive dialogue is quite sad actually.

    Given his pathological, anti-factual hatred for MAGA and Trump, he comes across as a pure breed #Bidenista. The avocado toast must be diminishing what little is left of his cognitive ability.

    (shrug) … What can I do other than use TRUTH to debunk his lies?

    Any redundancy is entirely under Mikel’s control. If he tells the same lie, I respond with the same TRUTH. That he expects a debunked lie to work based on using it multiple times is a bizarre mental dysfunction.

    PEACE 😇

    ==================================
    “Insanity is repeating the same mistakes
            and expecting different results.”
    Sudden Death, Rita Mae Brown, 1983.
    ==================================

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  446. @Beckow

    Quite brilliant analysis, masterful!

    The Belgian paedos have a had their chances in previous tournaments and never truly been able to master their talent, so I don’t expect them to do very well now.

    Saudi’s played a great match any were very unlucky against the Polish negative swines. If Saudis had decided at the kickoff to stay still and not pass the ball at all, then the match would have finished 0-0- thats how negative the plan from the Poles for these matches are. I don’t understand how with probably the best striker on the planet can decide to play in the same crap , loser style that failed them in 2018 in Russia, and in a way that Lewandowski touches the ball less than the ballboy. Can’t begrudge a player like him a World Cup goal though.

    The German hand-over-mouth -gay-nazis is ridiculous . On one side, Germans obeying uncle Sams orders on this absurd rainbow nonsense should surprise nobody. However, its disturbing that a team with all these Turkish, Arab, African diaspora in the squad seem happy with the “protest” and very complicit in it. At least with the French team there would have been a divide on the issue between the white “Christians” and the Africans and Arabs in the squad.

  447. Mr. Hack says:
    @Barbarossa

    This morning I made scrambled eggs with sauteed onions, spinach, bacon, and extra sharp chedder cheese, topped with some paprika and finished in the broiler till crisp and bubbly on top.

    An easier way, possibly, to get the same “bubbly effect on top” and easier too, is to just add some water to your frying pan and baste the whole “omelette” once it starts to fry nicely, never having to move the pan to your oven. To get the whole creation “crispy” just let the process that I’ve described continue until most or all of the water evaporates.

    I always go “all out” too, just have a different array of all stars that serve as the base of this miniature feast: onions, bell peppers, hotter peppers, sausage and mushrooms (kind of like a “Denver omelet). Of course, this creation is not a classical omelette in an real sense (very good in its own right), but something a bit more primitive and down to earth. I do end the whole melange with a good sprinkling of shredded cheese, whatever cheese that I seem to have on hand at the time seems to do. And the cheese component helps in achieving the slightly “crispy” texture, if fried/basted long enough, that you appear to appreciate.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  448. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    It is pretty obvious that Mikel personally fears me. That he is incapable of engaging in constructive dialogue is quite sad actually.

    This is exactly the same sort of rubbish that you used on me, before you “banished” me from your viewing list. If Mikel continues to shred your baseless commentary like I did, the “you’re dangerously mentally retarded” and “you need to seek medical assistance” and “I feel sorry for you” crap will start to fly. You’re so predictable and full of BS, kremlinstoogeA123. 🙁


    No matter how hard he tries, A123 will not be able to camouflage the fact that he’s really at heart just another garden variety kremlin stooge. Happy Thanksgiving kremlinstoogeA123!

  449. @Yahya

    Islam is the greatest achievement of the Arabs and is no joke – despite its detractors, it may well go down as the religion with the widest and most universal appeal. And that is no small feat, only Christianity even holds a candle in that respect.

    I don’t know much about soccer, but Arabs (as well as other people) should always keep athletically fit, especially in terms of martial fitness. Anything in the culture that encourages this is generally a good thing. Otherwise you build up a bookish nerd civilization that gets its ass rolled over by people like the Mongols who laugh as they burn down your libraries.

  450. Mikel says:
    @LatW

    the Ukrainians have said over and over that they do not want to leave this to their children

    Do you think that if Ukraine takes back Crimea the Russians will never come back again? The contrary looks much more likely. Short of marching to Moscow and dismembering the Russian state, I don’t know how Ukrainians can prevent their children from having to fight Russia in the future.

    personally I feel that those who don’t want to live together shouldn’t be forced to, ideally),

    That would be the best alternative really. Ukraine deserves to be independent from Moscow, now more than ever. But just apply the same principle to Crimea and Donbass (I doubt thre is a pro-Russian majority anywhere else now in Ukraine) and there you have a basis for a possible future peace. When Musk proposed this he was met with abuse in Kiev though.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @LatW
  451. @silviosilver

    the sad little sporstball fan is a sitting duck for absolutist judgments like this.

    I don’t know if it’s meant to be exactly absolutist, but in my mind it has to do with having a sense of civilizational ideals or aspirations. It doesn’t mean that sportsball fans have to be castigated, but at the same time if it’s all that someone has for interests going in their lives it’s rather sad and their should be no issue with being clear as a society that we prize other aspiration more highly. Having no sense of relative standards also means that it’s that much more unlikely that most will ever shoot for higher since they may remain ignorant of higher ideals.

    We get stuck in an endless degenerative loop of, “Thank God that junior’s in here playing Call of Duty! He could be out there axe murdering people, you now!”

    Sports fandom seems like something which is okay in small doses, but when it becomes one’s major interest in life it just seems rather unhinged to me. I knew a guy at a job many years ago who was a Yankees fanatic and bragged about how he watched all of every single Yankees game every year. I thought he was nuts, but then again he thought I was some sort of degenerate for not owning a TV so maybe we were even!

  452. Sher Singh says:
    @Beckow

    There’s about 1 billion Hindus & Sikhs who don’t eat beef.
    So yeah just kill everyone else, and let cattle roam free.

    Glad we could find common ground you Slavic cuck.
    You rotate between providing whores to India, Turks or W Euros.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  453. @showmethereal

    More lies from you. China attempted to modernize in the Western model as the Japanese had during Meiji but simply failed,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Strengthening_Movement

    In the First Sino-Japanese War, no one assumed Japan would win. The Japanese successfully adopted the Jeune École naval concept of smaller ships against bigger Chinese battleships.

    Amongst many Chinese fails, the sailors had to wear queues that their Manchu masters forced on them, this was a huge operational risk because getting queues caught in machinery meant probable death.

    Teddy Roosevelt declined reparations from China and set a scholarship to educate Chinese,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Indemnity_Scholarship

    The 1929 conflict was a case of Chinese picking a fight with the Soviets and getting a well-deserved ass-whupping. That’s why wumao like you mouth off about the Japanese but never dares saying jack shit offensive to your Russian grandfather 俄爹.

    So in fact, the best all time Japanese baseball player is half Chinese 王貞治 おう さだはる Wáng Zhēnzhì

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadaharu_Oh

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  454. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Turkey, on the other hand, IMO is just an overgrown poor quality chicken.

    I’ve never tried one but I suspect that homegrown turkeys have nothing to do with the store bought variety. I know for a fact that homestead chickens and store chickens are totally different beasts.

    • Agree: Barbarossa, AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @songbird
  455. Beckow says:
    @silviosilver

    …Zielinski…?

    But was he wearing green sweatpants?

    It is what it is, I had no $ on it…next time :)…

  456. Beckow says:
    @Sher Singh

    Ok, calm down…eat whatever you want.

    But come to think of it, would it even be theoretically possible to have Indian wh…s? Maybe a bit of beef would help the stock…

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
  457. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    I would say that Turkey usually needs some help to remain moist and make a decent gravy base.

    The best part on Thanksgiving Day are the browned skin pieces. Thighs are particularly moist for those who like dark vs light selection.

    While two small birds this year was not planned, it may go into the book for next year. There were no squabbles over who got which bits. There were two wish bones for the youngins. While turkey breast certainly works fresh, it is also an ideal leftover for sandwiches, turkey salad, etc.

    My wife made a good roux gravy with those drippings. It’s such a different thing than store bought gravy.

    Store bought is much better than it used to be, still inferior to authentic. It needs to be enhanced to work in an emergency:

    — Brown some onions in a half stick of butter
    — Stir that into the store bought
    — Add pepper and/or spices to match the meal
    — Let simmer until the flavours come together

    It is a good contingency item to have about if you do not get the anticipated amount of properly baked drippings. Or, in our case, deep fried birds that provided none.

    One can keep emergency unsalted stock (often frozen). However converting that to gravy is much more time consuming.

    PEACE 😇

  458. Sher Singh says:
    @Beckow

    ਪੁਨ ਕਰ ਜੋਰਿ ਬਤਾਇਸਿ ਬਾਤਿ । “ਨਿਕਟ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਗੋ ਕਰਤੇ ਘਾਤਿ । ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਬਸ ਨਹਿ ਆਵਤਿ ਸੋਈ । ਕਤਰਿ ਓਜ ਕੋ ਮੈਂ ਤਹਿ ਜੋਈ” ।੩।⁣
    After [saluting Guru Hargobind] he clasped his hands and began to say, “There are vile people close to here butchering cows and they are trying to get hold of more cows with great effort.⁣

    ਸੁਨਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸੋ ਆਗੇ ਕਰ੍ਯੋ । ਹਯ ਧਵਾਇ ਚਾਲੇ ਰਿਸਿ ਧਰ੍ਯੋ । ਹੁਤੇ ਨਿਕਟ ਹੀ ਜਾਇ ਨਿਹਾਰੇ । ਖੜਗ ਨਿਕਾਸ੍ਯੋ ਤਤਛਿਨ ਮਾਰੇ ।੪।⁣
    Listening to this Satiguru Hargobind mounted his horse and proceeded ahead with great anger, seeing where they were they closed the distance, taking out his sword he quickly slaughtered them. ⁣

    ਭਾਜ ਚਲੇ ਕੁਛ ਘੇਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰੇ । ਖੰਡ ਖੰਡ ਕਰਿ ਧਰ ਪਰ ਡਾਰੈ ।⁣
    Some of them ran away, but they were flanked, surrounded and attacked, they were chopped down and then into pieces. ⁣

    • Replies: @songbird
  459. Sher Singh says:
    @Coconuts

    He’s a Serb though, 50-50 whether he’s darker than me..
    E. Euros tilting to the North is like a black white supremacist.
    E. Euros are natural serfs – they love whoever beats/rapes them.

    A Belarussian shows up to a Whites Only meeting – expects the clan, gets BLM.

  460. Sean says:
    @Mikel

    It is very difficult to see how Russia can avoid total mobilisation and commitment. Losses so far have not been sufficient on either side to make them weary of the war. All thoughts that a certain peace formula can resolve the situation are futile. What is needed is some good old fashioned reality therapy: a vile battle of attrition in the style of Verdun in which the objective is not to gain territory but to kill, kill, and kill again. I think America is begining to worry that too many Russians are being killed and the effect it might have on the Russian mindset. The US intel assassination campaign targeting the best Russian generals seems to have been halted out of worry the effect it might have on how far the Russian army leadership are prepared to go.

  461. @AnonfromTN

    I saw where people in Kherson region were glad at the integration of the healthcare system to Russian standards…. I saw many young people in the Donbass region saying it would make it was for them to go to university in Russia. But of course I would assume Russia would want them to return to help develop the region. Correct?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  462. songbird says:
    @Sher Singh

    When the men met then on the ford, and when they began to fight and to strike each other there, and when each of them began to strike the other, the eel threw three folds round Cuchulainn’s feet, till he lay on his back athwart the ford. Loch attacked him with the sword, till the ford was blood-red with his blood.

    ‘Ill indeed,’ said Fergus, ‘is this deed before the enemy. Let each of you taunt the man, O men,’ said he to his following, ‘that he may not fall for nothing.’

    Bricriu Poison-tongue Mac Carbatha rose and began inciting
    Cuchulainn.
    ‘Your strength is gone,’ said he, ‘when it is a little salmon that overthrows you when the Ulstermen are at hand [coming] to you out of their sickness yonder. Grievous for you to undertake a hero’s deed in the presence of the men of Ireland and to ward off a formidable warrior in arms thus!’

    Therewith Cuchulainn arises and strikes the eel so that its ribs broke in it, and the cattle were driven over the hosts eastwards by force, so that they took the tents on their horns, with the thunder-feat that the two heroes had made in the ford.

    The she-wolf attacked him, and drove the cattle on him westwards. He throws a stone from his sling, so that her eye broke in her head. She goes in the form of a hornless red heifer; she rushes before the cows upon the pools and fords. It is then he said: ‘I cannot see the fords for water.’ He throws a stone at the hornless red heifer, so that her leg breaks under her.

    [MORE]

    When Cuchulainn was in this great weariness, the Morrigan met him in the form of an old hag, and she blind and lame, milking a cow with three teats, and he asked her for a drink. She gave him milk from a teat.

    ‘He will be whole who has brought it(?),’ said Cuchulainn; ‘the blessings of gods and non-gods on you,’ said he. (Gods with them were the Mighty Folk [Note: i.e. the dwellers in the Sid. The words in brackets are a gloss incorporated in the text.]; non-gods the people of husbandry.)

    Then her head was healed so that it was whole.

    She gave the milk of the second teat, and her eye was whole; and gave the milk of the third teat, and her leg was whole. So that this was what he said about each thing of them, ‘A doom of blessing on you,’ said he.

    ‘You told me,’ said the Morrigan, ‘I should not have healing from you for ever.’

    ‘If I had known it was you,’ said Cuchulainn, ‘I would not have healed you ever.’

    https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/14391/pg14391-images.html

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
  463. @German_reader

    I’m not saying the west “has to” take them in. I firmly believe in the God given principle of of reaping and sowing. Causing problems in others homes will bring problems in your home.

    As to Syria… Syria had a fairly high human development. Same with Libya.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  464. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel

    you did manage to come up with a couple of decent excuses of why one would take part in an election

    The key points that you intentionally ignored (again):

    -A- The rigging can be fixed
    -B- Or, the rigging can be magnified and used the other direction.

    Both of my suggestions are practical options.
    ___

    Your belief that nothing can be changed is more than just nutty. You reek of despair. You exist to capitulate before SJW values.

    Please explain — How can your plan, total abject surrender, lead to victory?

    PEACE 😇

     

  465. @showmethereal

    I saw where people in Kherson region were glad at the integration of the healthcare system to Russian standards….

    As far as I know (from relatives living in Ukraine), Ukrainian healthcare is now below the level of poor African countries. I have no personal experience with current RF healthcare system. A few years ago during her visit there my wife broke her hand. They set it for free at the local emergency room. When upon return she saw an American doctor, he said that everything was done right, there is nothing else that needs to be done. Considering how much they would charge for that in the US, her good quality free treatment was remarkable.

    I saw many young people in the Donbass region saying it would make it was for them to go to university in Russia. But of course I would assume Russia would want them to return to help develop the region. Correct?

    My knowledge in this area is spotty. I know that some years ago Donbass switched to Russian handbooks in schools and colleges and Russia recognized LPR and DPR school and college diplomas (could not do that when they used pathetic Ukrainian handbooks). Young people could go to Russian colleges after school even back then, but there might have been bureaucratic issues. In Russian colleges there are two tracks: tuition is free for those who get good scores on entrance exams, whereas those with poorer (but not failing) scores could get in for a fee (it is still peanuts compared to outrageous tuition costs in the US).

    I know that in the RF the mobilization of college students was prohibited, whereas LPR and DPR mobilized college students. Recently Putin issued a decree that college students in LPR and DPR should be demobilized and return to their studies.

    I think the RF government will provide some incentives for college graduates to return to LPR and DPR (as well as incentives for specialists from other Russian regions to go there), but I don’t think this will be mandatory. After all, now that these are Russian regions, local people have the same rights as all Russian citizens: they are free to go anywhere.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @LondonBob
  466. @LatW

    China doesn’t trust the US. Nor does it get involved in trying to tell other countries what to do in 3rd party squabbles.

    • Replies: @LatW
  467. @German_reader

    Correct. He and Jeffrey Sachs are some of the few US guys who get how China thinks. Ironic they are both Harvard guys

  468. @showmethereal

    I’m not saying the west “has to” take them in. I firmly believe in the God given principle of of reaping and sowing.

    Actually, you are saying that. Their entry into the country is the form that the “reaping” takes. No entry, no reaping. All there would be is their desire to entry the country, which would simply be their problem. There is no necessary causal link between their desire to enter and granting them permission to. None whatsoever.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Coconuts
  469. @Coconuts

    But Franco British does equal NATO. That’s how gangs work (so called mutual defense treaty). But the US absolutely was a major force behind it. Why do you think Hilary Clinton laughed after saying “we came we saw he died”. It was literal.

  470. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    If this goes on for years, there won’t be all that many Ukrainian children in Ukraine to leave anything to.

    The current horrific, hot phase will not go on for years, I trust Kyrylo Budanov (the head of the Ukrainian intelligence) and General Zaluzhnyi here above all. Kyrylo Budanov says that the hot phase of the war will be over some time next year (from what I understand from his words, somewhere closer to summer).

    After that there will be permanent cold war between Russia and her neighbors (I don’t harbor much hope in the Russian population that they could somehow change and become friendly in considerable numbers). Ukraine will have to become Israel.

    [MORE]

    There are about 200 000 Ukrainian children in German schools now, I suppose more in Poland. The country is being de-populated at a rapid pace.

    I never said that this is not catastrophic. This needs to be penned down as involuntary displacement by a foreign aggressor, and should be treated as one of the many crimes of this aggression. In fact, a displacement on such a scale could be treated as borderline genocide. I know you don’t like it when people state it openly like that but that’s what it is (or ethnocide at the very least). So those who will just quietly accept that it is ok to commit something like that, should just think about how they will be perceived.

    And, btw, I’m not worried about the Ukrainians in Poland (or in the Baltic States, in smaller, but still significant numbers). They are at home there. The ones in Western countries should be encouraged to repatriate in due time, hopefully, next year. The families will need to be reunited with their men.

    obviously there are limits to what could be conceded

    It is very unseemly when a foreigner talks about “conceding” someone else’s land. Talk that way about your own land.

    Another thing that you fail to understand is the life in occupied territory. It is torment. Imagine if part of one German state was occupied by a power that hates you and the people there were tormented, would you just leave them there? The electricity will come back, so will some of the refugees, but why willfully give up territory and leave your kin under a savage occupation? Especially when the military are willing to fight.

    But I don’t see how aiming at some kind of total victory over Russia (whose original goals in this war have already failed btw) is going to lead to anything but disaster.

    A “total victory” over Russia can only be completed with the direct participation of the Russian people.
    The baton will be passed on to them and then it will be up to them to decide what they can achieve.

    Russia’s original goals failed in this instance but that doesn’t mean they won’t try again. The Russian society is ill and they cannot help but keep reverting back to their crazy imperial impulses. They do not have a strong enough core. Unless the Russian people themselves change this, this will go on forever. For Ukraine it is a question how this can be mitigated and what security guarantees Ukraine can build long term. Best will be a strong military and good friends.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  471. LatW says:
    @showmethereal

    Nor does it get involved in trying to tell other countries what to do in 3rd party squabbles.

    Not sure if this is true. Try reading their party newspaper, Global Times. It is full of condescending lecturing towards some Europeans. It mostly makes one laugh (entertaining to read), but to say that they don’t care or won’t lecture, is not true.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  472. @LatW

    Another thing that you fail to understand is the life in occupied territory. It is torment.

    That’s exactly what the people in LPR and DPR say after being liberated from Ukies.

    • Replies: @LatW
  473. LatW says:
    @Mikel

    Do you think that if Ukraine takes back Crimea the Russians will never come back again? The contrary looks much more likely.

    Please, see my post above. They always come back. It’s been that way since the 5th century or so. Only one solution – Israel. Not Finland, not Switzerland. Israel.

    [MORE]

    Short of marching to Moscow and dismembering the Russian state, I don’t know how Ukrainians can prevent their children from having to fight Russia in the future.

    As I said above, the Russians themselves have to march to Moscow. Ukraine will stop on its borders, then pass the baton on to the Russians. If they have enough strength (which I highly doubt).

    Alternatively, they can enjoy a “beautiful” life under Prigozhin’s sledgehammer. (Look that up).

    Ukraine deserves to be independent from Moscow, now more than ever.

    That’s not how this works. One doesn’t “deserve” something out of the blue. One has to fight for it. As the Ukrainian people have done for hundreds of years now.

    When Musk proposed this he was met with abuse in Kiev though.

    It is way too late for those solutions now. Such a plan will also be rejected by the Russian side long term (although they are desperate for an agreement so that they can at least keep the current gains). No, it’s too late. It is in the hands of the Ukrainian military now.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    , @Mikel
    , @Dmitry
  474. songbird says:

    Pretty amusing to hear the ambassadors of places like Pakistan in China speak. Complete opposite of that Melnyk guy.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  475. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    Complete opposite of that Melnyk guy.

    Melnyk is deputy foreign minister now. Surprised me, I would have thought his Bandera worship would have precluded such an appointment given the importance of relations with Poland.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Beckow
  476. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Change your fake name. As someone else outed you – you are nothing but a rabid anti Chinese. What does any of that have to do with football and sports overall. Sorry if it hurts your feelings but it is a fact Japan is an occupied country and so loves the past time of its captors.

    And China has never been scared of Russia. Even the Soviets would tell you that. To say so makes you look like an idiot. Fact is China and Russia solved their issues. They have no animosity. Only idiots like yourself who are upset that China passed Japan again – as was the case through the majority of human history. Chinese don’t want to play baseball – and neither does the vast majority of the world. Japan is still ahead in football…. For a little while. Will you cry if/when they pass Japan as they have in Olympic sports?

    Fact is East Asians do not have the genetics to dominate in football. Nor do they in basketball. That’s just reality. That was the original argument. Japan is a rich country with a huge population. Making it to the quarter finals is actually not a huge achievement- except the fact East Asians are not expected to be good. Kind of like Chinese NBA players. Put salt in your rabid anti China wounds. It hurts but it will heal you

  477. songbird says:
    @silviosilver

    >Not sure how realistic the prospects of Turkey joining the EU ever were, but I suppose I should thank Erdogan for helping to sabotage the idea.

    I’m not sure either, but the very fact the idea was ever floated and that they achieved candidate status is disturbing enough.

    Agreed. I think it helps take the blinders off about the nature of the regime and about how mass migration into the EU is being promoted by the regime, rather than being something accidental, or not sought after.

    @AnonfromTN

    It is only important as a clear sign of sultan’s stupidity

    I know a lot of people predict some Ottoman Empire 2.0 in the coming decades. Personally, I’m kind of skeptical. (If pan-Arabism didn’t work out, rule by Turks seems like quite a stretch) Granted they probably have the least bad demographic base in the area (still pretty bad), and control the source of a lot of the water in the Middle East. I still don’t see it. More likely Pakistan would move into the Middle East, IMO.

    • Troll: Yahya
    • Replies: @A123
  478. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    In fact, a displacement on such a scale could be treated as borderline genocide. I know you don’t like it when people state it openly like that but that’s what it is (or ethnocide at the very least). So those who will just quietly accept that it is ok to commit something like that, should just think about how they will be perceived.

    It isn’t genocide, stop using such propaganda terms. Nor did I imply it is “ok”. The problem with your approach to these matters is that it’s extremely normative and moralistic, always about how things ought to be if there were perfect justice, never about weighing potential costs and risks of various courses of action. Of course there can’t be peace at any price, a ceasefire wouldn’t make any sense if Russia just uses it to regroup and then attack again, but your dogmatic assertion that this war needs to be fought to the bitter end really comes across as rather fanatical (and I’m not convinced either by your claims “But Ukrainians think the same”…maybe in Lviv or among those living abroad, might be different in the regions where the fighting actually takes place).

    It is very unseemly when a foreigner talks about “conceding” someone else’s land. Talk that way about your own land.

    You’ve been told this multiple times before – Ukraine would have no chance at all without Western support, and all of Europe is making immensely painful economic sacrifices because of the war. If Ukrainians want to continue the war until the 2014 borders have been restored (which means taking the war to areas where only land, not people will be “liberated”), ok, their choice, in that event support should be scaled down or even ended.

    Another thing that you fail to understand is the life in occupied territory. It is torment.

    For some, and not in all of the occupied areas equally, there seem to be quite a few who are willing to accommodate themselves to Russian rule at least in the Donbass areas taken since February.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @AnonfromTN
  479. songbird says:
    @Mikel

    The breed on most tables has changed dramatically since the ’50s. Used to be a lot more like wild turkeys (much thinner, more dark meat).

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  480. Beckow says:
    @LatW

    We have a real thing in LatW: a die-hard fanatic previously hiding behind more reasonable views. Spilling of blood tends to radicalize…

    On points LatW views are ridiculous: blatant double standards (so Russians in Ukraine were not tormented and murdered? is that ok now?), quoting Kiev propaganda ministry, over-the-top rhetoric, suggesting that “Russians themselves should destroy Russia“…are the Latvians too lazy now?

    To the false history and propaganda a new element is added: drama! The words become more loaded, it is all very existential, the other side is pure evil (“die Russian scum, just die already!!!!“)…

    It is a reflection of what LatW knows and doesn’t want to admit: Russia is playing with Ukies like a cat and mouse, they will clobber them, and the only tiny hope is to dramatize it to such an extent that Nato goes in and maybe we go nuclear. As all drama it is very irresponsible.

    How about just giving Russians normal rights in Ukraine, or follow the Kosovo example and let the malcontents separate. And keep Nato out of there, why do we have to risk everything for Nato to be able to have bases in Ukraine? How can you look at yourself and still pretend that you are normal if you choose more death instead of a very reasonable peaceful solution? Is losing better?

  481. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    New EU entry is 99%+ impossible. France, Hungary, Germany, and Poland have all said they will not approve new entrants without “reform”. And, their concepts of reform are 180° diametrically opposed.

    • Populist countries, with European values, demand less Brussels and more VETO rights.

    • Authoritarian countries, with SJW Globalist dogma, want to gut national sovereignty and European values.
    ____

    Erdogan’s intent is hard to fathom. His offensive in Syria creates problems for both Russia and the European Empire. Kurds are abandoning positions needed to counter Daesh to fortify against Turkish aggression.

    There is still a chance that Erdogan will spike Finland & Sweden joining NATO in retaliation for the EU dead end.

    If you want a good lark, PoliticoEU has opened their voting for Most Powerful European leader of 2022.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-who-is-the-most-powerful-person-in-europe/

    I already nominated Viktor Mihály Orbán. Who else has done more to thwart the Berlin/Paris/Davos axis of evil?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @songbird
  482. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    a ceasefire wouldn’t make any sense if Russia just uses it to regroup and then attack again

    Right, that’s exactly what Russia would do – regroup and then try to attack again (even though the shitheads don’t even have enough winter uniforms, something they should’ve thought about back in August). But for some reason the likes of yourself just keep screeching for this ceasefire – so you know full well what would happen and you still insist on it. Wow, that’s transparent.

    [MORE]

    and I’m not convinced either by your claims “But Ukrainians think the same”…maybe in Lviv or among those living abroad, might be different in the regions where the fighting actually takes place

    It’s been what – 8 years of war now? – and you still come out with deeply uninformed statements like that? Don’t embarrass yourself – you’re not in the loop. Do me a favor before you text me again – open any Ukrainian channel and listen to it for a few hours. I have no time for someone who is that uninformed, it’s just not serious.

    all of Europe is making immensely painful economic sacrifices because of the war

    Do not fucking blame the Ukrainians for this. The Ukrainians didn’t attack anybody. The economic hardships are only partially due to the war. The inflation was going to come either way – it started way BEFORE the war. The inflation is the result of the “quantitative easing” that was performed by the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank. For years. This is your own doing! Own it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Wokechoke
  483. @German_reader

    Your lugenpresse won’t tell you that, but at least 95% of people in Donbass hate Ukies guts. They were occupied by Ukies and liberated from Ukies.

    • Replies: @LatW
  484. LatW says:
    @AnonfromTN

    All I can say about those populations (purely subjectively without politics), is that their fate is very harsh. They seem to be located on the civilizational plate. Especially in places such as Gorlovka, on the purely human level, they have been dealt out way, way too much.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  485. LatW says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Can’t you see, the idiot believes only Lviv wants to fight. OMG. Deliberately obtuse. Must be so painful for this AfD voter to see Russia lose.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  486. @A123

    Erdogan’s intent is hard to fathom. His offensive in Syria creates problems for both Russia and the European Empire

    In fact, sultan bombed Kurd positions (some say telling the US before bombing, so that the US removed its instructors from targeted areas). Putin’s thinking about Kurds is something like “serves them right”. However, sultan cancelled promised ground operation that could have affected Russian and Syrian forces on the ground, as soon as Putin told him to in no uncertain terms. As to Europeans, who asks them?

  487. @LatW

    Ukies shelled residential areas in Donetsk and cities in Donetsk agglomeration, including Gorlovka, since 2014. And keep shelling today using NATO-supplied systems. Your media would lie bout it, but the people on the ground are 100% sure who shells, kills, and maims them. They have no doubt who is their enemy and who is their friend.

  488. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    But for some reason the likes of yourself just keep screeching for this ceasefire – so you know full well what would happen and you still insist on it. Wow, that’s transparent.

    Would you please not twist my words?

    The Ukrainians didn’t attack anybody.

    They didn’t implement the Minsk agreements either, nor did they stop in their attempt at becoming at least a quasi-member of NATO. And at least some in the Ukrainian leadership knew that this would increase the risk of a full-scale war with Russia, as shown in a pretty revealing quote from your hero Arestovych which you posted just a few weeks ago.

    The inflation was going to come either way – it started way BEFORE the war.

    You seem to have missed the part where Russian gas shipments stopped (and where *someone* blew up the Nordstream pipelines, to ensure that they can’t easily be taken up again).
    Anyway, I think your perception is rather skewed. You don’t seem to understand that the support Ukraine has been given can be forfeited, if enough people in Western Europe and the US come to the conclusion that Ukrainian war aims are too extreme and in conflict with one’s own core interests. Latvians of course will always have a different perspective, but fortunately you don’t matter all that much.

  489. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    I have consistently stated that I don’t want Russia to win in Ukraine and that a sovereign Ukrainian state should be preserved. Don’t twist my words or misrepresent my position or I will adopt a rather different tone towards you in future. This is my only warning.

  490. @songbird

    White meat turkiye is really only good for sandwiches or meat pies, in my opinion. I’ll eat the dark meat every time. Same with chicken. For the life of me, I don’t know why people are all on about white meat all the time.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @songbird
  491. @Mr. Hack

    What I make is usually really more of a frittata. My ingredients constantly change as well based on what we have around.

    I wouldn’t mind trying the water trick, but how do you keep the bottom from burning while waiting for the top to crisp?

    I really like using the broiler for the ability to cook the top of things while not overcooking the bottom. Similarly, if we are making pizza, if the bottom crust is done and the top isn’t sufficiently crisped I’ll throw the broiler on for a couple minutes.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  492. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    White meat turkiye is really only good for sandwiches

    That is certainly a desired end state.

    However “turkiye”? Really? (groan)

    Same with chicken. For the life of me, I don’t know why people are all on about white meat all the time.

    The custom, rapid growth, KFC poultry-ish genetic organism generates tender and flavorful white bits. If the only bird like substance one has consumed is KFC, the preference for white bits is understandable.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Barbarossa
  493. @silviosilver

    If you have sensible people on the county and local level they can be judicious in the application of state or federal laws regardless of how unhinged those laws are. County sheriffs, being elected are often an important check on nonsense.

    For example, we have lots of gun laws in NY but the local sheriffs are typically forthright that they do not plan on enforcing them, since they know quite well that there are lots of violations and it will only cause trouble to enforce.

    It was the same during Covid madness. The State could make all sorts of strictures but if you had county officials who respected local norms and behavior it was often kept very minimal.

    When I first built on my land I had little money but I built a little 20×20 cabin with no septic, electric, or water for less than 10k on my off grid back-road. Since then, it’s been expanded several times and outfitted like a real house with hot running water and all! The veritable lap of luxury!
    But, at the time I was starting out and had virtually nothing except for the desire to make a start. Naturally what I was doing by living in my hunting camp was not especially legal, especially with a wife and baby, and I had some anxiety that I would be found out.
    Being a small town people figured it out pretty quickly and the reaction was generally encouraging that I was making a go of things rather than disapproving that I didn’t have everything done from the get go. At one point after the fact I remember the building inspector saying, “Well, I don’t think there is a law that says you can’t live in your hunting cabin year round.”

    So, long story short if you have good and sane local officials they will make your life much more reasonable in practice while the opposite may make your life a living hell. My building inspector or town board has had more good impact on my ability to live my life than any number of Trumps or Bidens. You want local officials who treat you like a neighbor and a fellow human being and who will do right by you regardless of the letter of the law. The way things are going, I think that will become more important, not less, going forward.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  494. A123 says: • Website
    @A123

    ADDENDUM

     

     

    PEACE 😇

  495. Jazman says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Here is one ” Russian ” guy on Quora he remind me of Navalny
    https://www.quora.com/profile/Misha-Firer?q=misha%20

  496. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    For the life of me, I don’t know why people are all on about white meat all the time.

    Not sure either. Would guess it is something to do with health nuts (but you need fat to digest protein). Or, maybe, the strange sensitization of the palate that seems to be especially bad among children (who are more sensitive in terms of their receptors. ) I think dark meat is especially good in sandwiches.

    [MORE]

    It is kind of unfortunate how more and more people in Europe seem to be giving up goose and duck for turkey.

    White meat turkiye

    Been wondering if the umlauts in Turkish are somehow related to the special relationship that they had with Germany, around WWI.

    My technique for Thanksgiving dessert is to not waste caloric space by imbibing any sugar-based drinks. Cranberry sauce, IMO, is horrible on the same plate as the main meal, but is excellent when mixed with pumpkin pie or vanilla ice cream.

    Family tradition is turkey and ham. Never violated for Thanksgiving, but sometimes substituted for beef or other meats on other holidays.

    One thing I always observe is how it is hard to guess the heaviest eaters from their builds.
    ___
    Re: gun rights in Canada: I’ve heard it speculated that nullification is going to become a thing in Canada (historically hasn’t been), and that the more central or rural provinces are rich in natural resources, so they are net contributors and consequently have some levers of power.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  497. songbird says:
    @A123

    At this point, the EU is more likely to contract or collapse than expand, which I suspect is necessary for any kind of reform.

    There is still a chance that Erdogan will spike Finland & Sweden joining NATO

    I wish he would. But I don’t think he will.

  498. @AnonfromTN

    Thanks for the insight. I understand geopolitics and I try to read and watch as many “independent” sources as possible. But I always like to know the actually local sources as possible. I know a couple of Russians and yes they both have family in “Ukraine”. Frankly they are more sad than anything because it has caused differences in their own families that live on the Ukrainian side. It’s just sad to me that western Ukraine would turn on their Slavic brethren like that. But yea I did hear healthcare was pretty poor in Ukraine. That’s something I couldn’t understand. Under Putin Russia seemed to re-tool its economy… I failed to understand why Ukraine couldn’t

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Mr. Hack
  499. @silviosilver

    Crossing borders illegally has been going on since nations created borders. How do you suppose they could stop such a flood? This flood is a DIRECT result of things these countries did (well NATO collectively). Of course yea Turkiye has spitefully let some through – but I don’t even know why they are in NATO in the first place. But people will always sneak across through land or sea. Now letting them in via quota is a different story. But that’s their guilty conscience and frankly serves them right. The only countries I would feel sorry for are those who refuse to take part.
    Again reaping and sowing is not a Principle of “choice”. It’s part of the created order. You do corruption you reap corruption. Don’t blame me – take it up with the Creator

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  500. @LatW

    Global Times does not set policy. Another western fallacy. And an editorial in a newspaper is not at all the same as making secret agreements behind the scenes. Not even remotely. I bet most westerners don’t know a recent editor in chief was a former Tiananmen Square protester. According to westerners they are all dead.
    But to prove my point to you. Go read what Global Times editorial said China “might” do to prevent Pelosi from visiting Taiwan. China didn’t do what’s the editorials said (send military escorts to stop her plane from landing). So no – Global Times does not speak directly for Xi nor the Poliburo. Again – lack of understanding from the west.

    • Replies: @LatW
  501. @A123

    However “turkiye”? Really? (groan)

    LOL. You’ll have to blame songbird for that one. I’m only following his groundbreaking example.

  502. @songbird

    sensitization of the palate that seems to be especially bad among children

    I have a couple kids that prefer dark meat, one that prefers white and a couple who will go either way. I would guess that the common kid’s preference for white meat is more a result of what they are usually fed than anything innate.

    My wife really wants to get a goose for Christmas, but we never check around for one in time so haven’t done it yet. I really like duck though, so I would guess I would like goose. The first time I ever had duck was while I was working in the Hudson Valley and a restaurant had a half smoked duck dinner. They raised and smoked the ducks themselves and it was really good!

    hard to guess the heaviest eaters from their builds.

    I’d fit in this category. Sometimes people think I don’t eat enough, but that is not the case at all. I’m the guy who evaluates the donut selection to pick the one with the highest calorie count. Hopefully I never end up adrift on a lifeboat at sea since I wouldn’t last long.

    I don’t really ever drink sweet drinks other than apple cider this time of year. I prefer to eat my sugar any day rather than drink it.

    • Thanks: songbird
  503. @showmethereal

    Under Putin Russia seemed to re-tool its economy… I failed to understand why Ukraine couldn’t

    Retooling requires investments. Those whose business model is to steal and run away do not invest. Putin and his team limited what can be stolen. I’m pretty sure that even now maybe 10% of the RF budget ends up in the hands of various thieves. But in Ukraine corruption is on the totally different level: everything gets stolen one way or another. All Ukrainian “presidents” since 1991 were thieves. All of them used primeval nationalism as a fig leaf to cover their thievery. That’s why Ukraine does not have resources to do anything good for the ordinary people.

    In Russia the 1990s were the period of wanton thievery by local and foreign crooks. Then Putin gradually put a stop to it. That’s why foreign and Russian crooks hate him so much. Now the aggrieved Russian thieves and bandits are all in the West, like Khodorkovsky. In contrast to Russia, in Ukraine 1990s never ended.

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  504. LatW says:
    @showmethereal

    Global Times does not set policy. Another western fallacy. And an editorial in a newspaper is not at all the same as making secret agreements behind the scenes.

    Of course, not, but an editorial in a big newspaper can be important (even though it’s less “official” sounding than People’s Daily). They definitely have a stance that is somewhat critical towards the West (and I also noticed a few strange assumptions about the European Parliament and a slightly didactic approach about what Europeans should or shouldn’t do, what is good or what isn’t good for them). But you may be right that it is not intended to be too forceful or far reaching.

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