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The previous thread had become sluggish, so I’m opening up a new one.

I’ll jump-start the discussion with several excellent presentations by Prof. Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University on the Ukraine/Russia conflict that I’d highly recommend. The first was an interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! from a couple of months ago that’s accumulated more than two million views, the second came out a week ago on the Grayzone, and the other two were recorded earlier this month but just released:

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Oddly enough, the Tulsi Gabbard interview isn’t available on her new Youtube channel, perhaps due to concerns that discussing these important topics with the very high-ranking Columbia professor Sachs might get her channel restricted or cancelled.

Finally, in order to minimize the load on this thread, please continue to restrict your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

— Ron Unz

 
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  1. If we are opening with videos. This explains, in a humorous way, why major studio films are struggling.

    Warning: NSFW Language

    Sorry if this is a dupe. I do not always remember what has been previously shared.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @A123

    Major film studios are only struggling with American audiences, who are low IQ, white, old, fat, and racist. Cecil B. DeMille and the rest of the Hollywood shlomos could've only imagined the Chinese market in their wildest dreams. It has never been a better time to make films. Those films just need to be on code with the CCP, which the tribe struggles with at times.

    They will learn.
    Or they will be replaced.
    Just like whitey.

    , @Wokechoke
    @A123

    That's Lenny Henry.

    A Black Numinorian?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39d1fQqIXo


    still not funny, Lenny.

  2. Iraqi Information Minister reviews:

    The Occult in National Socialism;
    the Symbolic, Scientific, and Magical Influences on the Third Reich;
    Stephen Flowers Inner Tradition Press 2022.

    529 pages!

    This is a new and improved version of Nicholas Goodrick Clarke’s two books on this subject. If you read those and figured the topic was fully covered, you may be surprised. If nothing else, Flowers shows that the topic is large, the documentation to be explored is mountainous, and there is plenty of room for second and even more opinions. Flowers gets bogged down very little and I blasted through this sucker in four days. Lots of information new to me and great pictures.

    I will stuff the pictures under the [more].

    Summary of his argument: Goodrick Clarke’s books are really great but they are hampered by his ideology, with him being a member of the (cultural marxist) academic cult and the first book being a smoothed-out version of a PhD thesis which had to be tailored to a specific (and stupid) audience. Yes there were magical workings involved in National Socialist Hitler Germany. 99% of them are the same thing American et al advertisers and rulers are using right now. The idea that there is a German Paganism ideology that it is based on is: 1. wrong; and 2. a fabrication of the post 1945 Christian churches in Germany trying to say “It wasn’t us! we didn’t have anything to do with it.”

    This last point is the one thing Flowers gets bogged down inside of. It should suffice to most readers that the Roman Catholic church and the National Socialist Workers Party got along just splendid the entire time the NS’s were in power.

    In this vein he goes to great lengths to show the sizeable work of Himmler’s Ahnenerbe never amounted to more than a sideshow and had little consequence in things like invading the neighbors and murdering civilians.

    In his 2015 history of the SS, Bastian Hein astutely cites two major reasons as to why Himmler’s experiments in neopaganism generally failed: (1) Himmler himself was continually vacillating and in doubt about his own religious life or beliefs, and so presented no strong and unified message to his men and (2) Himmler and Rosenberg were undermined and not supported from above, as the Fuhrer publicly and privately ridiculed the effort and often intervened on the behalf of traditional church interests for larger political reasons. p. 278

    (The percentage numbers of German Pagans never amounted to a large amount.)

    The other big point that he hammers on is that the culture of NS Germany was not based on an ancestral German ethic nearly as much as it was patterned after ancient Rome. See above point about the brotherly relation between the Party and the RC Church.

    Images after the [more]: Wewelsberg, Saschenhain, Exernstein, MacKinder’s world island cartoon map,

    In terms of style he had a noteworthy sentence which might be the most beautiful left-hand compliment I have ever read.

    Heather Pringle’s 2008 work titled The Master Plan [long paragraph deleted] . . . Despite these shortcomings the book is a solid source for what the author has handpicked to discuss. p. 345

    There are a few errors that I saw. Most of these are trivial. The biggest problem that I see is that Professor Flowers is lacking in enough self-awareness to see that he also is a member of the academic cult. This shows up all over the place. Nevertheless the work is really tight in terms of sources and accurate citations and until shown otherwise I am pretty sure that he doesn’t just make stuff up.

    In 2022 on such a topic this is most unusual.

    [MORE]

    Wewelsberg Castle. Himmler’s Pagan monumental site. It was never fully renovated before 1945 happened.

    Saschsenhain. Legend has it Charlemagne executed 1500 Pagan chiefs here who refused his offer to convert to Christianity. It was renovated by the Ahnenerbe and still looks great today.

    Exernsteine. Ahnenerbe archaeologists excavated here for years and never found one scrap indicating it was an ancient cult site. Exernsteine is one of those locations that would look fantastic on google maps satellite 3D if that feature was working but alas no luck.

    MacKinder’s world island cartoon map. MacKinder’s writing is one of those things that Flowers casually dismisses because his denomination of the academy cult does so. Also he argues that NS Hitler paid no mind to this idea in practice at all and the lebensraum thing was far more modest and practical. There are bookshelves of arguments contrary to this so if you are not interested in this topic at all you will be doing some rapid skimming over the Flowers spin on a bunch of this material.

    Despite shortcomings this book is a solid source!

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk, Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The idea that there is a German Paganism ideology that it is based on is: 1. wrong; and 2. a fabrication of the post 1945 Christian churches in Germany trying to say “It wasn’t us! we didn’t have anything to do with it.
     
    I can speculate as to why this point might need a lot of arguing; churches can always say 'We always believed God was a Jew and we always taught that everyone should worship this Semite' to point to tensions between Nazi ideology and Christianity.

    The other big point that he hammers on is that the culture of NS Germany was not based on an ancestral German ethic nearly as much as it was patterned after ancient Rome. See above point about the brotherly relation between the Party and the RC Church.
     
    The point that the main inspiration for the Catholic Church came from Ancient Rome and not the Middle East might require lengthy arguments. Is there an underlying argument that Semitic and Judeo-Hellenic influences were stronger in Nazism than the ancestral German ethic?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

  3. Bashibuzuk says:

    To follow up on the Solutrean hypothesis for the peopling of North America that S started discussing on the previous thread: I never really dug much deeper than the superficial and politically correct reports about the Kennewick man and the Anzik-1 skeleton being ancestral to the modern Native American populations. Despite their distinctive phenotypic features, the genetics seemed not distinctive enough to put these “phenotypic outliers” in another genetic lineage.

    But given that I am such a nerd and a geek about the population genetics (at an amateur level), I wanted to look into what was written about the Solutrean genetics. And then I found this:

    Consistent with our recent finding of a close relationship between South Pacific populations and Denisovans or Neanderthals who were archaic Africans with Eurasian admixtures, the ∼9500 year old Kennewick Man skeleton with Australo-Melanesian affinity from North America was about equally related to Europeans and Africans, least related to East Asians among present-day people, and most related to the ∼42000 year old Neanderthal Mezmaiskaya-2 from Adygea Russia among ancient Eurasian DNAs. The ∼12700 year old Anzick-1 of the Clovis culture was most related to the ∼18720 year old El Miron of the Magdalenian culture in Spain among ancient DNAs. Amerindian mtDNA haplotypes, unlike their Eurasian sister haplotypes, share informative SNPs with Australo-Melanesians, Africans, or Neanderthals. These results suggest a unifying account of informative findings on the settlement of the Americas.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/130989v3

    Which is absolutely amazing…

    If the authors wouldn’t have been Chinese scientists, it would have been either acclaimed or most probably screechingly decried with much gnashing of teeth. But given the ethnic origin of the authors, it seems to have past unnoticed or most probably have been ignored by the “polically correct” academic researchers.

    The paper didn’t make it further than bioArXive, and I think I know a couple of reasons why.

  4. Chinese official historiography describes the Great Steppe impact on the Han accross millenia

    This is a sensitive topic and subjective to political correctness. The Chinese after all, invented the Pravda

    also known as the Orthodox Histories (Chinese: 正史; pinyin: Zhèngshǐ), are the Chinese official dynastic histories covering from the earliest dynasty in 3000 BC to the Ming dynasty in the 17th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-Four_Histories

    One of the techniques is to emphasize the continuity of Chinese dynasties but obfuscate the continuity of Tatar dynasties by using different cognates:

    – Altan is the same word as Aisin-Gioro, the clan name of Qing emperors. Same for the word Khitan. Golden Horde, etc.

    – Xiongnu is the same word as Aisin-Gioro Xuanye, the Kangxi Emperor. And the Yellow Emperor’s given name Xuānyuán

    Another technique is the actual names of Tatar dynasties are obfuscated:

    – 元 Yuan is actually Dai Ön Yeqe Mongɣul Ulus meaning “Great Yuan – Great Mongol State”
    – 清 Qing is actually Daicing gurun “warrior state”

    The only ever female emperor Wu Zetian (a Han-Xianbei who’s depicted with blue eyes), was a consort of the two previous emperors, son and father, this would considered blasphemous in Han (or Christian) culture but perfectly acceptable by Eurasian nomads.

    North Eurasian cultures share a common reverence for bears, which is a common surname:

    Xiong, Bernard, Arthur, Ursula, Urs, Ursicinus, Orsolya, Björn, Nedved, Medvedev, and Otso.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_brown_bear#Cultural_depictions

    The mythical progenitor of China, Yellow Emperor, is said to have led the tribe 有熊 Yǒu Xíong “Possessor of Bears”. So he was very likely some kind of proto-Genghis Khan,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Emperor#Xuanyuan_and_Youxiong

    the nomadic hordes were in fact meritocratic confederations in which the “alien” or foreign ethnic groups might climb to the top.

    Very much so. The normie take is:

    Japanese: China had lost its character through the Tatar invasion, thus we are the authentic descendant of Classical Chinese civilization

    Chinese: the barbarians had accepted our culture, but the Han Chinese dynasties Song and Ming are truly authentic and its traditions should be restored

    Red Pill take: Mongol Yuan didn’t institute horrible physical punishments on Confucian scholars, Ming did. Song was culturally accomplished for its time but rife with internal bureaucratic infighting, corruption, and military ineptness.

    Han Chinese perform at its best when ruled or have its institution set by foreign races– HK, Singapore, Taiwan.

    And Mongols Manchus gave Han equal status when demonstrated to perform with martial ethos,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Köke_Temür
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong_Youde

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend, Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Have you ever had the possibility to read Lev Gumilyov's studies on the history of the Great Steppe nomads?

    And as a present to thank you for you kind explanation on the Han Chinese take on history of the Greater Chinese Realm (an expression I have just coined ad hoc) please have a look at this when you have some time to spend on long gone mighty tribes heritage:

    https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/shm/shmnoinula.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noin-Ula_burial_site

    https://indo-european.eu/2020/08/xiongnu-ancestry-connects-huns-avars-to-scytho-siberians/

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Noin-Ula_carpet.jpg

    I would one day perhaps write about my own pet theories on the possible influence of Huns on the "historical coming out" of the Slav from "the Pripyat' closet". Of course, nothing scientific or proven and even less so official...

    🙂

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  5. The future of America will either be 19th century Germany or East Africa. Or both.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AP
    @Thulean Friend

    Yiddish speakers have their roots in the Pale.

    Also Mormons aren’t counted as an ethnicity but their TFR is above 2.00 (around 3.00 IIRC).

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

  6. Some things never change —

  7. Splendidly excellent stuff –

  8. The Wishful Theory of ‘Strategic Russian Defeat
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-10-19/strategic-russian-defeat-is-not-a-viable-solution-to-the-war-in-ukraine

    ####

    Some feedback from elsewhere:

    I’m seeing more and more ‘anal-y-ses’ & ‘opinions’ in the PPNN about the Ukraine that are even more vague than normal. You are left with the impression that the author wants to say something but the author themselves have not thought through what it is they even want to say. Technically it is ‘content’ but it provides nothing new, either in insight, information or anything else. I guess what we can say is that now that it is clear to most of these idiots that the Ukraine will not win, they are forced in to unfamiliar territory that they have not considered and are lost in the woods. I expect more of this thrashing about to come.

    &

    Also, as soon as I got to this sentence, I stopped reading:

    “Fiona Hill, one of the most respected Russia experts in the US and a former Russia guru in the Trump administration, offered a less radical version of the same argument in a recent interview with Politico.”

    If Bershidsky rates Hill as ‘one of the most respected Russia experts’, that’s all I need to know. Fiona Hill could find a samovar in the space where she left her car when she was ready to go home, and she would only mutter peevishly, “What’s this big stupid brass car doing here, my key won’t fit it”. She is a simpleton in every derogatory sense of the word, I would have thought Bershidsky was too intelligent to fall for her mad ravings. Perhaps his hatred for Putin has overcome his judgement.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Mikhail

    That’s a good and balanced article.

    Russia has already been defeated, its reputation, influence in the West, economy and military have been permanently damaged.

    As much as I am on the side of Ukraine, it isn’t comfortable to be on the same side as the MIC Russia-haters.

    Now seems a good time for us to be a gracious winner and negotiate something reasonable.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

  9. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Iraqi Information Minister reviews:

    The Occult in National Socialism;
    the Symbolic, Scientific, and Magical Influences on the Third Reich;
    Stephen Flowers Inner Tradition Press 2022.

    529 pages!

    This is a new and improved version of Nicholas Goodrick Clarke's two books on this subject. If you read those and figured the topic was fully covered, you may be surprised. If nothing else, Flowers shows that the topic is large, the documentation to be explored is mountainous, and there is plenty of room for second and even more opinions. Flowers gets bogged down very little and I blasted through this sucker in four days. Lots of information new to me and great pictures.

    I will stuff the pictures under the [more].

    Summary of his argument: Goodrick Clarke's books are really great but they are hampered by his ideology, with him being a member of the (cultural marxist) academic cult and the first book being a smoothed-out version of a PhD thesis which had to be tailored to a specific (and stupid) audience. Yes there were magical workings involved in National Socialist Hitler Germany. 99% of them are the same thing American et al advertisers and rulers are using right now. The idea that there is a German Paganism ideology that it is based on is: 1. wrong; and 2. a fabrication of the post 1945 Christian churches in Germany trying to say "It wasn't us! we didn't have anything to do with it."

    This last point is the one thing Flowers gets bogged down inside of. It should suffice to most readers that the Roman Catholic church and the National Socialist Workers Party got along just splendid the entire time the NS's were in power.

    In this vein he goes to great lengths to show the sizeable work of Himmler's Ahnenerbe never amounted to more than a sideshow and had little consequence in things like invading the neighbors and murdering civilians.


    In his 2015 history of the SS, Bastian Hein astutely cites two major reasons as to why Himmler's experiments in neopaganism generally failed: (1) Himmler himself was continually vacillating and in doubt about his own religious life or beliefs, and so presented no strong and unified message to his men and (2) Himmler and Rosenberg were undermined and not supported from above, as the Fuhrer publicly and privately ridiculed the effort and often intervened on the behalf of traditional church interests for larger political reasons. p. 278
     
    (The percentage numbers of German Pagans never amounted to a large amount.)

    The other big point that he hammers on is that the culture of NS Germany was not based on an ancestral German ethic nearly as much as it was patterned after ancient Rome. See above point about the brotherly relation between the Party and the RC Church.

    Images after the [more]: Wewelsberg, Saschenhain, Exernstein, MacKinder's world island cartoon map,

    In terms of style he had a noteworthy sentence which might be the most beautiful left-hand compliment I have ever read.


    Heather Pringle's 2008 work titled The Master Plan [long paragraph deleted] . . . Despite these shortcomings the book is a solid source for what the author has handpicked to discuss. p. 345
     
    There are a few errors that I saw. Most of these are trivial. The biggest problem that I see is that Professor Flowers is lacking in enough self-awareness to see that he also is a member of the academic cult. This shows up all over the place. Nevertheless the work is really tight in terms of sources and accurate citations and until shown otherwise I am pretty sure that he doesn't just make stuff up.

    In 2022 on such a topic this is most unusual.

    Wewelsberg Castle. Himmler's Pagan monumental site. It was never fully renovated before 1945 happened.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/20/article-0-0925FA2B000005DC-741_634x384.jpg

    Saschsenhain. Legend has it Charlemagne executed 1500 Pagan chiefs here who refused his offer to convert to Christianity. It was renovated by the Ahnenerbe and still looks great today.

    https://paganplaces.com/wp-content/uploads/jet-engine-forms/6/2020/08/saxon-grove.jpg

    Exernsteine. Ahnenerbe archaeologists excavated here for years and never found one scrap indicating it was an ancient cult site. Exernsteine is one of those locations that would look fantastic on google maps satellite 3D if that feature was working but alas no luck.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Externsteine_pano.jpg

    MacKinder's world island cartoon map. MacKinder's writing is one of those things that Flowers casually dismisses because his denomination of the academy cult does so. Also he argues that NS Hitler paid no mind to this idea in practice at all and the lebensraum thing was far more modest and practical. There are bookshelves of arguments contrary to this so if you are not interested in this topic at all you will be doing some rapid skimming over the Flowers spin on a bunch of this material.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Heartland.png/500px-Heartland.png

    Despite shortcomings this book is a solid source!

    Replies: @Coconuts

    The idea that there is a German Paganism ideology that it is based on is: 1. wrong; and 2. a fabrication of the post 1945 Christian churches in Germany trying to say “It wasn’t us! we didn’t have anything to do with it.

    I can speculate as to why this point might need a lot of arguing; churches can always say ‘We always believed God was a Jew and we always taught that everyone should worship this Semite’ to point to tensions between Nazi ideology and Christianity.

    The other big point that he hammers on is that the culture of NS Germany was not based on an ancestral German ethic nearly as much as it was patterned after ancient Rome. See above point about the brotherly relation between the Party and the RC Church.

    The point that the main inspiration for the Catholic Church came from Ancient Rome and not the Middle East might require lengthy arguments. Is there an underlying argument that Semitic and Judeo-Hellenic influences were stronger in Nazism than the ancestral German ethic?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Coconuts


    I can speculate as to why this point might need a lot of arguing; churches can always say ‘We always believed God was a Jew and we always taught that everyone should worship this Semite’ to point to tensions between Nazi ideology and Christianity.

     

    The most virulent anti-semitic-Christian-Nazis (there were 70 million diverse Germans) had an Aryan Jesus.

    Is there an underlying argument that Semitic and Judeo-Hellenic influences were stronger in Nazism than the ancestral German ethic?
     
    The book is 500pp +.

    This exact argument is the largest element in it, or at least very close to the largest element in it. This is a subjective call but in my view that is one heck of a lot of arguing. There is an endlessly fascinating amount of material here and I could have gotten through it in one sitting but for the tedious polemical tone.

    The Nazi salute is a Roman salute. Does anybody know what the old Norskis did for saluting?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Beckow
    @Coconuts

    In retrospect it looks like the ancestral German ethic was mostly aspirational. The much deeper, habitual, institutional culture was not changed. It takes much longer than even 2-3 generations. There is a stickiness to the Middle-East-Hellenes-Rome derived culture that many have underestimated.

    Actually by far the most successful has been the American onslaught that uses primarily comfort and ease. The aspirational stuff has to imposed either by force or with discipline - it is a tough sell. Take two 5-year olds and offer candy vs. almost anything else, the overwhelming choice is the more pleasant, easier one. People crave it.

    The problem is that once you start descend down the staircase to the lazy, low-bar, comfortable survival there is no way back. A few more steps...and nobody is climbing back up.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

  10. @Thulean Friend
    The future of America will either be 19th century Germany or East Africa. Or both.

    https://twitter.com/BirthGauge/status/1583095374654283776

    Replies: @AP

    Yiddish speakers have their roots in the Pale.

    Also Mormons aren’t counted as an ethnicity but their TFR is above 2.00 (around 3.00 IIRC).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP

    Haven't known too many, so my sampling might be biased, but I've found them to be very congenial.

    I've wondered whether this might be some form of self-selection. I'm sure something goes into it in a general, but it could be the ones that move East are really outgoing or something.

    But I've also wondered if it is the short genetic distance. They tend to be of British and Irish heritage. (Though, of course, I don't uniformly like all such people.)
     
     

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Also M------s aren’t counted as an ethnicity but their TFR is above 2.00 (around 3.00 IIRC).
     
    I hesitate to discuss the M religion in this thread again but that low figure has always appeared very iffy to me. I'm pretty sure it's higher among the practicing ones.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

  11. Bashibuzuk says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Chinese official historiography describes the Great Steppe impact on the Han accross millenia
     
    This is a sensitive topic and subjective to political correctness. The Chinese after all, invented the Pravda

    also known as the Orthodox Histories (Chinese: 正史; pinyin: Zhèngshǐ), are the Chinese official dynastic histories covering from the earliest dynasty in 3000 BC to the Ming dynasty in the 17th century.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-Four_Histories

    One of the techniques is to emphasize the continuity of Chinese dynasties but obfuscate the continuity of Tatar dynasties by using different cognates:

    - Altan is the same word as Aisin-Gioro, the clan name of Qing emperors. Same for the word Khitan. Golden Horde, etc.

    - Xiongnu is the same word as Aisin-Gioro Xuanye, the Kangxi Emperor. And the Yellow Emperor's given name Xuānyuán

    Another technique is the actual names of Tatar dynasties are obfuscated:

    - 元 Yuan is actually Dai Ön Yeqe Mongɣul Ulus meaning "Great Yuan – Great Mongol State"
    - 清 Qing is actually Daicing gurun "warrior state"

    The only ever female emperor Wu Zetian (a Han-Xianbei who's depicted with blue eyes), was a consort of the two previous emperors, son and father, this would considered blasphemous in Han (or Christian) culture but perfectly acceptable by Eurasian nomads.

    North Eurasian cultures share a common reverence for bears, which is a common surname:


    Xiong, Bernard, Arthur, Ursula, Urs, Ursicinus, Orsolya, Björn, Nedved, Medvedev, and Otso.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_brown_bear#Cultural_depictions

    The mythical progenitor of China, Yellow Emperor, is said to have led the tribe 有熊 Yǒu Xíong “Possessor of Bears”. So he was very likely some kind of proto-Genghis Khan,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Emperor#Xuanyuan_and_Youxiong


    the nomadic hordes were in fact meritocratic confederations in which the “alien” or foreign ethnic groups might climb to the top.

     

    Very much so. The normie take is:

    Japanese: China had lost its character through the Tatar invasion, thus we are the authentic descendant of Classical Chinese civilization

    Chinese: the barbarians had accepted our culture, but the Han Chinese dynasties Song and Ming are truly authentic and its traditions should be restored

    Red Pill take: Mongol Yuan didn't institute horrible physical punishments on Confucian scholars, Ming did. Song was culturally accomplished for its time but rife with internal bureaucratic infighting, corruption, and military ineptness.

    Han Chinese perform at its best when ruled or have its institution set by foreign races-- HK, Singapore, Taiwan.

    And Mongols Manchus gave Han equal status when demonstrated to perform with martial ethos,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Köke_Temür
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong_Youde

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Have you ever had the possibility to read Lev Gumilyov’s studies on the history of the Great Steppe nomads?

    And as a present to thank you for you kind explanation on the Han Chinese take on history of the Greater Chinese Realm (an expression I have just coined ad hoc) please have a look at this when you have some time to spend on long gone mighty tribes heritage:

    https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/shm/shmnoinula.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noin-Ula_burial_site

    https://indo-european.eu/2020/08/xiongnu-ancestry-connects-huns-avars-to-scytho-siberians/

    I would one day perhaps write about my own pet theories on the possible influence of Huns on the “historical coming out” of the Slav from “the Pripyat’ closet”. Of course, nothing scientific or proven and even less so official…

    🙂

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Bashibuzuk

    Thanks. In official history Sima Qian's Records of the Grand Historian (c. 91 BC), Xiongnu is said to have descended from the son of the last king of Xia dynasty. His name is probably a cognate of Chanyu.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunwei

    Xia (c. 2070 BC–c. 1600 BC) is the first dynasty in official historiography and has not been verified by archeology and archeogenetics. So they may have been Eurasian nomads. They were also roughly contemporaneous with Yamnaya expansion.

    Xia got kicked out of Central Plains by Shang and became nomads again. This is the exact parallel of the Mongol Yuan getting kicked out of Central Plains by Ming, 2900 years later, retreating the steppes and founding the Northern Yuan.

    The Anglosphere gets hanged up on a sharp division between East and West Eurasians, but Eurasian nomads should have always been a mix of Europoid and Mongloid features, like Putin and Shoigu.

    I'm familiar with Gumilyov who's gone beyond Chinese historians on studies of Eurasian nomads. I guess that made him persona non grata (?) because it offended ROC and PRC's claim on Inner Asia territories. He's done extensive work on Xianbei who has the same golden ornaments as Indo-Iranian Scythians, Yuechi, etc.
    https://i.postimg.cc/HxbyTT81/Belt-Buckle-Xianbei3-4thcentury.jpg
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сяньби

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  12. @Coconuts
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The idea that there is a German Paganism ideology that it is based on is: 1. wrong; and 2. a fabrication of the post 1945 Christian churches in Germany trying to say “It wasn’t us! we didn’t have anything to do with it.
     
    I can speculate as to why this point might need a lot of arguing; churches can always say 'We always believed God was a Jew and we always taught that everyone should worship this Semite' to point to tensions between Nazi ideology and Christianity.

    The other big point that he hammers on is that the culture of NS Germany was not based on an ancestral German ethic nearly as much as it was patterned after ancient Rome. See above point about the brotherly relation between the Party and the RC Church.
     
    The point that the main inspiration for the Catholic Church came from Ancient Rome and not the Middle East might require lengthy arguments. Is there an underlying argument that Semitic and Judeo-Hellenic influences were stronger in Nazism than the ancestral German ethic?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    I can speculate as to why this point might need a lot of arguing; churches can always say ‘We always believed God was a Jew and we always taught that everyone should worship this Semite’ to point to tensions between Nazi ideology and Christianity.

    The most virulent anti-semitic-Christian-Nazis (there were 70 million diverse Germans) had an Aryan Jesus.

    Is there an underlying argument that Semitic and Judeo-Hellenic influences were stronger in Nazism than the ancestral German ethic?

    The book is 500pp +.

    This exact argument is the largest element in it, or at least very close to the largest element in it. This is a subjective call but in my view that is one heck of a lot of arguing. There is an endlessly fascinating amount of material here and I could have gotten through it in one sitting but for the tedious polemical tone.

    The Nazi salute is a Roman salute. Does anybody know what the old Norskis did for saluting?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    old Norskis did for saluting
     
    По рукам!

    It means let's hit/shake hands! It also means deal!

    This expression in Russian language is quite old.

    Perhaps when they shook hands, they also hailed each other...

  13. @AP
    @Thulean Friend

    Yiddish speakers have their roots in the Pale.

    Also Mormons aren’t counted as an ethnicity but their TFR is above 2.00 (around 3.00 IIRC).

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

    Haven't known too many, so my sampling might be biased, but I've found them to be very congenial.

    I've wondered whether this might be some form of self-selection. I'm sure something goes into it in a general, but it could be the ones that move East are really outgoing or something.

    But I've also wondered if it is the short genetic distance. They tend to be of British and Irish heritage. (Though, of course, I don't uniformly like all such people.)

  14. @AP
    @Thulean Friend

    Yiddish speakers have their roots in the Pale.

    Also Mormons aren’t counted as an ethnicity but their TFR is above 2.00 (around 3.00 IIRC).

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

    Also M——s aren’t counted as an ethnicity but their TFR is above 2.00 (around 3.00 IIRC).

    I hesitate to discuss the M religion in this thread again but that low figure has always appeared very iffy to me. I’m pretty sure it’s higher among the practicing ones.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel



    I hesitate to discuss the M religion in this thread again but that low figure has always appeared very iffy to me. I’m pretty sure it’s higher among the practicing ones.
     
    The M religion... the Somali one... That M Religion?

    [MORE]

    Which M? !!!!

    PEACE 😇



    https://cdn.lifehack.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cat-chasing-laser.gif

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @AP
    @Mikel

    I looked it up and it’s apparently 3.4.

    I looked at the Reddit Dmitry posted about the strange activities. They are indeed bizarre but seem to highlight the importance on fertility not necessarily sex (genital anointing). The Puritans from whom the Mormons sprang engaged in all sorts of bizarre “cult-like” behaviors:



    A typical Massachusetts week would begin in the church, which doubled as the town meeting hall. There were no decorations except a giant staring eye on the pulpit to remind churchgoers that God was watching them. Townspeople would stand up before their and declare their shame and misdeeds, sometimes being forced to literally crawl before the other worshippers begging for forgiveness. Then the minister would give two two-hour sermons back to back

    Everyone was compelled by law to live in families. Town officials would search the town for single people and, if found, order them to join a family; if they refused, they were sent to jail.

    98% of adult Puritan men were married, compared to only 73% of adult Englishmen in general. Women were under special pressure to marry, and a Puritan proverb said that “women dying maids lead apes in Hell”.

    The average family size in Waltham, Massachusetts in the 1730s was 9.7 children.

    Puritan parents traditionally would send children away to be raised with other families, and raise those families’ children in turn, in the hopes that the lack of familiarity would make the child behave better.

    In 1692, 25% of women over age 45 in Essex County were accused of witchcraft.

    Wasting time in Massachusetts was literally a criminal offense, listed in the law code, and several people were in fact prosecuted for it.

    Another law just said “If any man shall exceed the bounds of moderation, we shall punish him severely”.

    Here was have literacy for the purpose of social control:

    Massachusetts passed the first law mandating universal public education, which was called The Old Deluder Satan Law in honor of its preamble, which began “It being one chief project of that old deluder, Satan, to keep men from the knowledge of the scriptures…”

    Replies: @songbird, @John Gruskos

  15. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Coconuts


    I can speculate as to why this point might need a lot of arguing; churches can always say ‘We always believed God was a Jew and we always taught that everyone should worship this Semite’ to point to tensions between Nazi ideology and Christianity.

     

    The most virulent anti-semitic-Christian-Nazis (there were 70 million diverse Germans) had an Aryan Jesus.

    Is there an underlying argument that Semitic and Judeo-Hellenic influences were stronger in Nazism than the ancestral German ethic?
     
    The book is 500pp +.

    This exact argument is the largest element in it, or at least very close to the largest element in it. This is a subjective call but in my view that is one heck of a lot of arguing. There is an endlessly fascinating amount of material here and I could have gotten through it in one sitting but for the tedious polemical tone.

    The Nazi salute is a Roman salute. Does anybody know what the old Norskis did for saluting?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    old Norskis did for saluting

    По рукам!

    It means let’s hit/shake hands! It also means deal!

    This expression in Russian language is quite old.

    Perhaps when they shook hands, they also hailed each other…

  16. @A123
    If we are opening with videos. This explains, in a humorous way, why major studio films are struggling.

    Warning: NSFW Language

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngqO9Hp19_4

    Sorry if this is a dupe. I do not always remember what has been previously shared.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Wokechoke

    Major film studios are only struggling with American audiences, who are low IQ, white, old, fat, and racist. Cecil B. DeMille and the rest of the Hollywood shlomos could’ve only imagined the Chinese market in their wildest dreams. It has never been a better time to make films. Those films just need to be on code with the CCP, which the tribe struggles with at times.

    They will learn.
    Or they will be replaced.
    Just like whitey.

  17. @Coconuts
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The idea that there is a German Paganism ideology that it is based on is: 1. wrong; and 2. a fabrication of the post 1945 Christian churches in Germany trying to say “It wasn’t us! we didn’t have anything to do with it.
     
    I can speculate as to why this point might need a lot of arguing; churches can always say 'We always believed God was a Jew and we always taught that everyone should worship this Semite' to point to tensions between Nazi ideology and Christianity.

    The other big point that he hammers on is that the culture of NS Germany was not based on an ancestral German ethic nearly as much as it was patterned after ancient Rome. See above point about the brotherly relation between the Party and the RC Church.
     
    The point that the main inspiration for the Catholic Church came from Ancient Rome and not the Middle East might require lengthy arguments. Is there an underlying argument that Semitic and Judeo-Hellenic influences were stronger in Nazism than the ancestral German ethic?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    In retrospect it looks like the ancestral German ethic was mostly aspirational. The much deeper, habitual, institutional culture was not changed. It takes much longer than even 2-3 generations. There is a stickiness to the Middle-East-Hellenes-Rome derived culture that many have underestimated.

    Actually by far the most successful has been the American onslaught that uses primarily comfort and ease. The aspirational stuff has to imposed either by force or with discipline – it is a tough sell. Take two 5-year olds and offer candy vs. almost anything else, the overwhelming choice is the more pleasant, easier one. People crave it.

    The problem is that once you start descend down the staircase to the lazy, low-bar, comfortable survival there is no way back. A few more steps…and nobody is climbing back up.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    There is a minority who craves stuff like running marathons.

    The freaky will inherit the earth. That first bench press is torture. But soon enough you just might find yourself structuring the intervening time periods around reliable steady recovery for that next go. : )

    I knew a guy in college who could do > 10 one arm pull ups. It was not human. His nickname was the monkey.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    America is in many ways the dream of the peasant labouring in the middle ages before the modern age. A house warm, a car that moves, a TV glowing, a fridge full etc.

  18. @Mikel
    @AP


    Also M------s aren’t counted as an ethnicity but their TFR is above 2.00 (around 3.00 IIRC).
     
    I hesitate to discuss the M religion in this thread again but that low figure has always appeared very iffy to me. I'm pretty sure it's higher among the practicing ones.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    I hesitate to discuss the M religion in this thread again but that low figure has always appeared very iffy to me. I’m pretty sure it’s higher among the practicing ones.

    The M religion… the Somali one… That M Religion?

    [MORE]

    Which M? !!!!

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @A123


    Which M? !!!!
     
    The Melkites, of course. Didn't you see how people got all worked up about Melkites in the previous thread?

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Yevardian

  19. @Mikel
    @AP


    Also M------s aren’t counted as an ethnicity but their TFR is above 2.00 (around 3.00 IIRC).
     
    I hesitate to discuss the M religion in this thread again but that low figure has always appeared very iffy to me. I'm pretty sure it's higher among the practicing ones.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    I looked it up and it’s apparently 3.4.

    I looked at the Reddit Dmitry posted about the strange activities. They are indeed bizarre but seem to highlight the importance on fertility not necessarily sex (genital anointing). The Puritans from whom the Mormons sprang engaged in all sorts of bizarre “cult-like” behaviors:

    [MORE]

    A typical Massachusetts week would begin in the church, which doubled as the town meeting hall. There were no decorations except a giant staring eye on the pulpit to remind churchgoers that God was watching them. Townspeople would stand up before their and declare their shame and misdeeds, sometimes being forced to literally crawl before the other worshippers begging for forgiveness. Then the minister would give two two-hour sermons back to back

    Everyone was compelled by law to live in families. Town officials would search the town for single people and, if found, order them to join a family; if they refused, they were sent to jail.

    98% of adult Puritan men were married, compared to only 73% of adult Englishmen in general. Women were under special pressure to marry, and a Puritan proverb said that “women dying maids lead apes in Hell”.

    The average family size in Waltham, Massachusetts in the 1730s was 9.7 children.

    Puritan parents traditionally would send children away to be raised with other families, and raise those families’ children in turn, in the hopes that the lack of familiarity would make the child behave better.

    In 1692, 25% of women over age 45 in Essex County were accused of witchcraft.

    Wasting time in Massachusetts was literally a criminal offense, listed in the law code, and several people were in fact prosecuted for it.

    Another law just said “If any man shall exceed the bounds of moderation, we shall punish him severely”.

    Here was have literacy for the purpose of social control:

    Massachusetts passed the first law mandating universal public education, which was called The Old Deluder Satan Law in honor of its preamble, which began “It being one chief project of that old deluder, Satan, to keep men from the knowledge of the scriptures…”

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP

    In one of those old cemeteries near Boston Common, there is a grave that has the name "Increase" on it.

    Replies: @Finn

    , @John Gruskos
    @AP

    Thanks for reminding me how awesome colonial America was.

    Prouder than ever to be an American, which is why the American flag is the only flag I will ever fly.

  20. @Beckow
    @Coconuts

    In retrospect it looks like the ancestral German ethic was mostly aspirational. The much deeper, habitual, institutional culture was not changed. It takes much longer than even 2-3 generations. There is a stickiness to the Middle-East-Hellenes-Rome derived culture that many have underestimated.

    Actually by far the most successful has been the American onslaught that uses primarily comfort and ease. The aspirational stuff has to imposed either by force or with discipline - it is a tough sell. Take two 5-year olds and offer candy vs. almost anything else, the overwhelming choice is the more pleasant, easier one. People crave it.

    The problem is that once you start descend down the staircase to the lazy, low-bar, comfortable survival there is no way back. A few more steps...and nobody is climbing back up.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    There is a minority who craves stuff like running marathons.

    The freaky will inherit the earth. That first bench press is torture. But soon enough you just might find yourself structuring the intervening time periods around reliable steady recovery for that next go. : )

    I knew a guy in college who could do > 10 one arm pull ups. It was not human. His nickname was the monkey.

  21. @A123
    @Mikel



    I hesitate to discuss the M religion in this thread again but that low figure has always appeared very iffy to me. I’m pretty sure it’s higher among the practicing ones.
     
    The M religion... the Somali one... That M Religion?

    [MORE]

    Which M? !!!!

    PEACE 😇



    https://cdn.lifehack.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cat-chasing-laser.gif

    Replies: @Mikel

    Which M? !!!!

    The Melkites, of course. Didn’t you see how people got all worked up about Melkites in the previous thread?

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Dang, how'd I miss that?! It would have been right up my alley!

    I thought he was talking about either Manicheanism or Masons!

    Replies: @A123

    , @Yevardian
    @Mikel

    Must have missed that. In private conversation Armenians often call westerners in general 'Melkites', though of course the word just means any Roman (Chalcedonian) Christian. Etymology comes from the Semitic root for 'king', i.e, the emperor.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  22. @Mikel
    @A123


    Which M? !!!!
     
    The Melkites, of course. Didn't you see how people got all worked up about Melkites in the previous thread?

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Yevardian

    Dang, how’d I miss that?! It would have been right up my alley!

    I thought he was talking about either Manicheanism or Masons!

    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa

    Does anyone know about the Marmites? Are they from New Zealand?

    Apparently, they have mental hygiene criteria and operate the Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  23. @AP
    @Mikel

    I looked it up and it’s apparently 3.4.

    I looked at the Reddit Dmitry posted about the strange activities. They are indeed bizarre but seem to highlight the importance on fertility not necessarily sex (genital anointing). The Puritans from whom the Mormons sprang engaged in all sorts of bizarre “cult-like” behaviors:



    A typical Massachusetts week would begin in the church, which doubled as the town meeting hall. There were no decorations except a giant staring eye on the pulpit to remind churchgoers that God was watching them. Townspeople would stand up before their and declare their shame and misdeeds, sometimes being forced to literally crawl before the other worshippers begging for forgiveness. Then the minister would give two two-hour sermons back to back

    Everyone was compelled by law to live in families. Town officials would search the town for single people and, if found, order them to join a family; if they refused, they were sent to jail.

    98% of adult Puritan men were married, compared to only 73% of adult Englishmen in general. Women were under special pressure to marry, and a Puritan proverb said that “women dying maids lead apes in Hell”.

    The average family size in Waltham, Massachusetts in the 1730s was 9.7 children.

    Puritan parents traditionally would send children away to be raised with other families, and raise those families’ children in turn, in the hopes that the lack of familiarity would make the child behave better.

    In 1692, 25% of women over age 45 in Essex County were accused of witchcraft.

    Wasting time in Massachusetts was literally a criminal offense, listed in the law code, and several people were in fact prosecuted for it.

    Another law just said “If any man shall exceed the bounds of moderation, we shall punish him severely”.

    Here was have literacy for the purpose of social control:

    Massachusetts passed the first law mandating universal public education, which was called The Old Deluder Satan Law in honor of its preamble, which began “It being one chief project of that old deluder, Satan, to keep men from the knowledge of the scriptures…”

    Replies: @songbird, @John Gruskos

    In one of those old cemeteries near Boston Common, there is a grave that has the name “Increase” on it.

    • Replies: @Finn
    @songbird

    And what about Increase Mather? What about his son Cotton? My family name sake.

    Replies: @songbird

  24. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Dang, how'd I miss that?! It would have been right up my alley!

    I thought he was talking about either Manicheanism or Masons!

    Replies: @A123

    Does anyone know about the Marmites? Are they from New Zealand?

    Apparently, they have mental hygiene criteria and operate the Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @A123

    I've heard of the Aussie spread called Marmite but never of any group named that. It appears that the Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company is actually a Seventh Day Adventist project.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitarium_Health_and_Wellbeing_Company

    I suppose that might be better than being a wholly owned Metallica Health and Wellbeing Company...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Dfo4zDduI

    Replies: @A123

  25. @Mikel
    @A123


    Which M? !!!!
     
    The Melkites, of course. Didn't you see how people got all worked up about Melkites in the previous thread?

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Yevardian

    Must have missed that. In private conversation Armenians often call westerners in general ‘Melkites’, though of course the word just means any Roman (Chalcedonian) Christian. Etymology comes from the Semitic root for ‘king’, i.e, the emperor.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Yevardian


    In private conversation Armenians often call westerners in general ‘Melkites’,
     
    That is interesting. I actually attend a Melkite Church and am aware of some of the history pertaining to it, but wouldn't have guessed it would be used quite that way. It makes sense, I suppose.

    But no, there wasn't actually any Melkite discussion last thread. Mikel was talking about his surprisingly heated Mormon discussion with Dmity (I wouldn't have guessed a Russian and a Basque would be so heated over Mormon, but life is full of surprises!)

    But in a case of self-fulfilling prophecy it seems that Mikel has manifested a Melkite discussion into this thread!

    Replies: @Mikel

  26. Mythology explained in one comic [MORE]

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  27. This is a really good article pertaining to the car repair topic Thulean Friend and I were discussing last thread. It’s very much worth the read even if you think you don’t have any interest in car repair. It touches on some of the core issues of our increasingly complex technological world.

    https://www.wired.com/story/high-tech-cars-killing-the-traditional-auto-repair-shop/#intcid=_wired-right-rail_04d65f30-1c0e-410b-b6d8-87e67b8b68f9_popular4-1-reranked-by-vidi

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    It is an interesting article. Do you know whether or not electric cars, specifically Teslas, due to the paucity of moving engine parts are easier to maintain and avoid some of the pitfalls of more traditionally designed cars, or do they present their own set of complex problems? Car repair problems 101: Teslas vs porsches (I use posches because they are used as examples in the article you posted).

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  28. @Yevardian
    @Mikel

    Must have missed that. In private conversation Armenians often call westerners in general 'Melkites', though of course the word just means any Roman (Chalcedonian) Christian. Etymology comes from the Semitic root for 'king', i.e, the emperor.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    In private conversation Armenians often call westerners in general ‘Melkites’,

    That is interesting. I actually attend a Melkite Church and am aware of some of the history pertaining to it, but wouldn’t have guessed it would be used quite that way. It makes sense, I suppose.

    But no, there wasn’t actually any Melkite discussion last thread. Mikel was talking about his surprisingly heated Mormon discussion with Dmity (I wouldn’t have guessed a Russian and a Basque would be so heated over Mormon, but life is full of surprises!)

    But in a case of self-fulfilling prophecy it seems that Mikel has manifested a Melkite discussion into this thread!

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Sorry about that. If I had known, I would have chosen Maronites or Mennonites instead.

    But well, since we're at it, do you have unusual ritual or proselytizing practices that would look strange to sensitive Europeans?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  29. @A123
    @Barbarossa

    Does anyone know about the Marmites? Are they from New Zealand?

    Apparently, they have mental hygiene criteria and operate the Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I’ve heard of the Aussie spread called Marmite but never of any group named that. It appears that the Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company is actually a Seventh Day Adventist project.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitarium_Health_and_Wellbeing_Company

    I suppose that might be better than being a wholly owned Metallica Health and Wellbeing Company…

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa

    I was intending humor. While Kiwis are zealous about their Marmite, I do not believe they think of it as a religion.

    I noticed the "Sanatarium" branding at one point and thus the manufacturer name.

     
    https://static.countdown.co.nz/assets/product-images/zoom/94149494.jpg
     

    I was unaware that it was associate with the Seventh Day Adventist product.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  30. @Barbarossa
    @Yevardian


    In private conversation Armenians often call westerners in general ‘Melkites’,
     
    That is interesting. I actually attend a Melkite Church and am aware of some of the history pertaining to it, but wouldn't have guessed it would be used quite that way. It makes sense, I suppose.

    But no, there wasn't actually any Melkite discussion last thread. Mikel was talking about his surprisingly heated Mormon discussion with Dmity (I wouldn't have guessed a Russian and a Basque would be so heated over Mormon, but life is full of surprises!)

    But in a case of self-fulfilling prophecy it seems that Mikel has manifested a Melkite discussion into this thread!

    Replies: @Mikel

    Sorry about that. If I had known, I would have chosen Maronites or Mennonites instead.

    But well, since we’re at it, do you have unusual ritual or proselytizing practices that would look strange to sensitive Europeans?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Well, there is no anointing of genitals that I'm aware of, but I think that Emil Nikola Richard would have to agree that the hats are pretty decent...

    http://www.perthcatholic.org.au/d/Resource_Library/News_and_Events_Pictures/2019/August/Week_5/1GX7RU7LJ76KTCES8J770RAMY1WNJJ/ZGNGLO93QNLTN2E_FREEFORMSIZE_847_565.jpg/Melkite5Aug19_FREEFORMSIZE_847_565.jpg

    They do have married priests, which weirds out most Roman Catholics I talk to, so perhaps that constitutes the Melkite Church being a perverse sex cult after all!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  31. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Sorry about that. If I had known, I would have chosen Maronites or Mennonites instead.

    But well, since we're at it, do you have unusual ritual or proselytizing practices that would look strange to sensitive Europeans?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Well, there is no anointing of genitals that I’m aware of, but I think that Emil Nikola Richard would have to agree that the hats are pretty decent…

    They do have married priests, which weirds out most Roman Catholics I talk to, so perhaps that constitutes the Melkite Church being a perverse sex cult after all!

    • LOL: Mikel
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    I don't know if this is true but I have read on a religion trivia site that the thing about covering your head in church is sourced in a 2000 year old theory about human biology that the same base material produced sex fluid and hair and the belief was exposed hair was an incitement to horny demons to violate your person.

    We have lost a bunch of great data since the academic industry decided religion was all a bunch of superstitious nonsense and needed ignoring for the sake of proper useful knowledge.

  32. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Well, there is no anointing of genitals that I'm aware of, but I think that Emil Nikola Richard would have to agree that the hats are pretty decent...

    http://www.perthcatholic.org.au/d/Resource_Library/News_and_Events_Pictures/2019/August/Week_5/1GX7RU7LJ76KTCES8J770RAMY1WNJJ/ZGNGLO93QNLTN2E_FREEFORMSIZE_847_565.jpg/Melkite5Aug19_FREEFORMSIZE_847_565.jpg

    They do have married priests, which weirds out most Roman Catholics I talk to, so perhaps that constitutes the Melkite Church being a perverse sex cult after all!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don’t know if this is true but I have read on a religion trivia site that the thing about covering your head in church is sourced in a 2000 year old theory about human biology that the same base material produced sex fluid and hair and the belief was exposed hair was an incitement to horny demons to violate your person.

    We have lost a bunch of great data since the academic industry decided religion was all a bunch of superstitious nonsense and needed ignoring for the sake of proper useful knowledge.

  33. sher singh says:

    @bashi Yea I know it’s common knowledge that Jatts are Scythians & Rajputs/Gujjars are Huns.
    They straddle NW India though so many are Sikh/Muslim – they’ve faded from the mainstream.

    Hinduism today is culturally rooted in the Gangetic or Gujurati-Maratha region.
    There’s not even genetic overlap – Upper Caste or NW Indians are 3x closer to Avars.

    https://araingang.medium.com/south-asia-ancestry-map-637092c0728a

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @sher singh

    Excellent map.

    I would just replace "Ancient Iranian" by Elamite and/or BAMAC and it would be perfect.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  34. @Barbarossa
    This is a really good article pertaining to the car repair topic Thulean Friend and I were discussing last thread. It's very much worth the read even if you think you don't have any interest in car repair. It touches on some of the core issues of our increasingly complex technological world.

    https://www.wired.com/story/high-tech-cars-killing-the-traditional-auto-repair-shop/#intcid=_wired-right-rail_04d65f30-1c0e-410b-b6d8-87e67b8b68f9_popular4-1-reranked-by-vidi

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It is an interesting article. Do you know whether or not electric cars, specifically Teslas, due to the paucity of moving engine parts are easier to maintain and avoid some of the pitfalls of more traditionally designed cars, or do they present their own set of complex problems? Car repair problems 101: Teslas vs porsches (I use posches because they are used as examples in the article you posted).

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Mr. Hack

    I haven't seen details for 5 years on the practical maintenance of electric cars but there was an article in IEEE Spectrum around that time which suggested that maintenance was, on the young fleet at the time, dramatically less. The key item of wear is of course the battery. I haven't looked but it seems to me that there is an insurance opportunity to pay monthly against future battery replacement costs.

    The particular article was enthusiastic about the passing of private cars as the economic case favoured near continuous running over a long life for electrics. (Very little dependency on mileage other than battery). So self driving taxis were suggested as the best economic option for the future of automobiles.

    I am part of the murder team for the smallo autorepair shop as I enabled technology transfer from the European Space Agency of satellite signal and power bus technology into the Bordnetz standard later upgraded for electric vehicles and lithium ion battery management systems (which is why Airbus cockpits don't have battery fires, just like space craft).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  35. sher singh says:

    The Karlin discord is full of:

    1. Angry American White Nationalists who believe:
    • Being White = Automatically Vedic Upper Caste
    • Aryans Eat Beef
    • Circumcision is Trad
    • Everyone wants to be White
    • Non-White Gangs don’t control large parts of the USA (cities)

    2. Weirdos:
    • Half white Copt defending smelling his dad’s dick or measuring his mom/sisters labia
    • German-American (mixed) White Nationalist who thinks poking at poop in the toilet is cool.
    • Random SinoBoos who defend China at the drop of a hat, while being White Nationalists

    3. Random LatAms & Chinese:
    • They hate India for being a brown country with culture
    • Refuse to remain on topic, and try to suck up to the wignats
    • Asian trolls who hate Indians, but are turned on by Indian Man Chinese Woman couples

    To top it all off most of them value religion, but hate religiosity – calling it a larp, cope or w/e

    “I don’t let any dieties control my life”

    Truly a circus,

    • LOL: Yevardian, Barbarossa, Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @sher singh

    I remember this "viper" saying that's just what to expect from the discord platform, not even a reflection on the "Kesslerisation appreciator" himself.

    Btw, I guess you heard of this, but I was rereading Herodotos a while back and noticed his description of Scythians worshipping swords. You're still a pajeet though, sir.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sher singh

    , @Barbarossa
    @sher singh



    “I don’t let any dieties control my life”
     
    Hey, I don't let any dieties control my life either, I eat whatever I please!

    Replies: @sher singh

  36. @sher singh
    The Karlin discord is full of:

    1. Angry American White Nationalists who believe:
    • Being White = Automatically Vedic Upper Caste
    • Aryans Eat Beef
    • Circumcision is Trad
    • Everyone wants to be White
    • Non-White Gangs don’t control large parts of the USA (cities)

    2. Weirdos:
    • Half white Copt defending smelling his dad’s dick or measuring his mom/sisters labia
    • German-American (mixed) White Nationalist who thinks poking at poop in the toilet is cool.
    • Random SinoBoos who defend China at the drop of a hat, while being White Nationalists

    3. Random LatAms & Chinese:
    • They hate India for being a brown country with culture
    • Refuse to remain on topic, and try to suck up to the wignats
    • Asian trolls who hate Indians, but are turned on by Indian Man Chinese Woman couples

    To top it all off most of them value religion, but hate religiosity – calling it a larp, cope or w/e

    "I don't let any dieties control my life"

    Truly a circus,

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

    I remember this “viper” saying that’s just what to expect from the discord platform, not even a reflection on the “Kesslerisation appreciator” himself.

    Btw, I guess you heard of this, but I was rereading Herodotos a while back and noticed his description of Scythians worshipping swords. You’re still a pajeet though, sir.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Yevardian

    Ukies worship antitank guns and proffer sainthood upon them. I suspect there will be sects who bow before Drones.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    , @sher singh
    @Yevardian

    Water under the bridge, Rajputs are Huns.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchon_Huns

    You're not Greek or Iranian & like Germans will cease to exist in a century.
    Wokechoke ignores that Weapons are worshipped in general - not as idols.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Yevardian

  37. @Beckow
    @Coconuts

    In retrospect it looks like the ancestral German ethic was mostly aspirational. The much deeper, habitual, institutional culture was not changed. It takes much longer than even 2-3 generations. There is a stickiness to the Middle-East-Hellenes-Rome derived culture that many have underestimated.

    Actually by far the most successful has been the American onslaught that uses primarily comfort and ease. The aspirational stuff has to imposed either by force or with discipline - it is a tough sell. Take two 5-year olds and offer candy vs. almost anything else, the overwhelming choice is the more pleasant, easier one. People crave it.

    The problem is that once you start descend down the staircase to the lazy, low-bar, comfortable survival there is no way back. A few more steps...and nobody is climbing back up.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    America is in many ways the dream of the peasant labouring in the middle ages before the modern age. A house warm, a car that moves, a TV glowing, a fridge full etc.

  38. @Yevardian
    @sher singh

    I remember this "viper" saying that's just what to expect from the discord platform, not even a reflection on the "Kesslerisation appreciator" himself.

    Btw, I guess you heard of this, but I was rereading Herodotos a while back and noticed his description of Scythians worshipping swords. You're still a pajeet though, sir.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sher singh

    Ukies worship antitank guns and proffer sainthood upon them. I suspect there will be sects who bow before Drones.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    I suspect there will be sects who bow before Drones.
     
    Some pets are named Bayraktar. Not kids yet, hopefully. Pretty cool to have a little French bulldog named Bayraktar. :)
    , @Mikhail
    @Wokechoke

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1583812274481135617

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Yevardian

  39. The Visegrad crew now advocating Islamic terrorism. I’m noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland. Germans with any self-respect – assuming there are some left – must be looking at the reaction to Nord Stream from Poland & the Baltics along with the WW2 grifting and drawing conclusions about their ‘allies’. Hungary is still fine but no reason left to care anymore about Poles and Baltoids. They have too much undigested history, too big a chip on their shoulders, and too selfish & pig-headed in general.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status – in Canada whether students or special circumstances like this war there is almost no such thing as temporary status, permanent status will follow. Over 312k have already been accepted. Given Canada’s family unification policies and lack of clarity regarding how many of these applications do not include dependent relatives & soldiers left behind its possible that something like 2-3%, maybe more if the war drags on, of Ukraine’s entire pre-war population could end up in Canada. A lot of these will be young people. Even with a Ukrainian victory, however that is defined, the future of Ukraine doesn’t look good.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra


    Hungary is still fine
     
    Here's a transcript of a recent Orban interview by German magazine Cicero:
    https://miniszterelnok.hu/panel-discussion-involving-prime-minister-viktor-orban-and-the-directors-of-the-monthly-magazine-cicero/
    Of course Orban isn't perfect either (most notably regarding corruption and nepotism), but compared to the horror show from Poland and the Baltic states whose politicians seem keen on a world war against Sino-Russian-Iranian alliance he's a model of sanity and responsibility.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Wokechoke
    @Matra

    Surviving total war in Kherson Region, Ukraine in 1941 - 1945. Vladyslav Alexander


    How Kherson went from 100,000 souls to 100 residents between 1941 and 1945.


    It's happened before.

    , @AP
    @Matra


    I’m noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland.
     
    A combination of the phenomenon of useful-for-Russia idiots who see a savior in Putin and therefore hatred for his enemies, and resentment of peoples who are superior to them and highlight their own faults. Peoples who actually fight for their homelands rather than invite in invaders who displace them, peoples who demand money rather than give it to those who replace them in their own lands, peoples who retain a high level of physical beauty that has been fading among the Westerners, etc.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status – in Canada
     
    I'd guess most of the ones in Germany and Poland will return (my own have come back in summer to central Ukraine from the Rhineland where they went in March when Russians were threatening Kiev and Zhytomir) but most of the ones in North America will stay: it is further away and more difficult to come back. Though by no means will they all stay, many husbands and brothers have remained in Ukraine so there is a reason to return.

    Be careful, it will take longer for Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites, with all of those young Eastern Europeans refugees boosting the European population.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Dmitry

    , @S
    @Matra

    More destruction of identity, ie Russian, Ukrainian, Canadian, and various European states, for now, along with (just getting started) depopulation...just as the behind the scenes instigators of this developing world war have wanted from the start.

    The other two world wars had not dissimilar objectives in regards to identity destruction.

  40. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    The Visegrad crew now advocating Islamic terrorism. I'm noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland. Germans with any self-respect - assuming there are some left - must be looking at the reaction to Nord Stream from Poland & the Baltics along with the WW2 grifting and drawing conclusions about their 'allies'. Hungary is still fine but no reason left to care anymore about Poles and Baltoids. They have too much undigested history, too big a chip on their shoulders, and too selfish & pig-headed in general.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status - in Canada whether students or special circumstances like this war there is almost no such thing as temporary status, permanent status will follow. Over 312k have already been accepted. Given Canada's family unification policies and lack of clarity regarding how many of these applications do not include dependent relatives & soldiers left behind its possible that something like 2-3%, maybe more if the war drags on, of Ukraine's entire pre-war population could end up in Canada. A lot of these will be young people. Even with a Ukrainian victory, however that is defined, the future of Ukraine doesn't look good.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @AP, @S

    Hungary is still fine

    Here’s a transcript of a recent Orban interview by German magazine Cicero:
    https://miniszterelnok.hu/panel-discussion-involving-prime-minister-viktor-orban-and-the-directors-of-the-monthly-magazine-cicero/
    Of course Orban isn’t perfect either (most notably regarding corruption and nepotism), but compared to the horror show from Poland and the Baltic states whose politicians seem keen on a world war against Sino-Russian-Iranian alliance he’s a model of sanity and responsibility.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Pure bliss from Orban, must be afraid now that various matras might excommunicate him too, lol


    I called it aggression on day one, and we accepted the European interpretation. Our thinking about the war is the same as the European Union’s position, of which we’re a part. So there’s no Hungarian position which is distinct from the European position: we share the European Union’s position. This is aggression. Moreover, I’m a lawyer, I was once – or, to be more precise, I went to law school. Legally, the situation is absolutely clear. There is international law, and the Russians have violated it. This is called aggression. They’ve started a war. Whatever the reason, it’s an international violation, and there’s nothing more to talk about. It’s aggression.
     

    Replies: @German_reader

  41. @sher singh
    @bashi Yea I know it's common knowledge that Jatts are Scythians & Rajputs/Gujjars are Huns.
    They straddle NW India though so many are Sikh/Muslim - they've faded from the mainstream.

    Hinduism today is culturally rooted in the Gangetic or Gujurati-Maratha region.
    There's not even genetic overlap - Upper Caste or NW Indians are 3x closer to Avars.

    https://araingang.medium.com/south-asia-ancestry-map-637092c0728a

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Excellent map.

    I would just replace “Ancient Iranian” by Elamite and/or BAMAC and it would be perfect.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Bashibuzuk

    Have you read David Reich Who We Are and How We Got Here?

    Julius Evola Doctrine of Awakening?

    Do you know better sources on these topics?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  42. Quite interesting how Americans seem to be promoting the idea that the Chinese are “lying flat”, while the Chinese seem to be promoting the idea that Americans are “quiet quitters.”

    What if they are both right, and it is a sign of the upcoming severe decline in civilization?

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @songbird

    I have a feeling that a lot of people around the World act kind of passive and are unsure of what lies ahead. The passionate ones are seen as somewhat disturbing, even dangerous and are applauded when they exterminate each other somewhere far, preferably in Syrak or Ukraine.

    But once the passionate and energetic dead, and the developed world population old and largely childless, who's gonna ensure "the progress" (sorry to use this completely discredited word) going forward or even current level of knowledge and culture remain sustained?

    The eclipse is nearly certain. Black Sun rises, our offspring will probably live in dark and dangerous times. But it will also be a time of opportunity for those who are not afraid of the Darkness. They will prevail.

    , @A123
    @songbird


    Quite interesting how Americans seem to be promoting the idea that the Chinese are “lying flat”, while the Chinese seem to be promoting the idea that Americans are “quiet quitters.”

    What if they are both right, and it is a sign of the upcoming severe decline in civilization?
     
    It is a reflection of dysfunction, not the cause.

    In America, rewards are assigned based on DEI credentialing. If hard work offers no hope of gain... Why do it?

    The problem is fixable, as Christian Populism still contains the necessary concepts. However, it will take time.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  43. Bashibuzuk says:
    @songbird
    Quite interesting how Americans seem to be promoting the idea that the Chinese are "lying flat", while the Chinese seem to be promoting the idea that Americans are "quiet quitters."

    What if they are both right, and it is a sign of the upcoming severe decline in civilization?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @A123

    I have a feeling that a lot of people around the World act kind of passive and are unsure of what lies ahead. The passionate ones are seen as somewhat disturbing, even dangerous and are applauded when they exterminate each other somewhere far, preferably in Syrak or Ukraine.

    But once the passionate and energetic dead, and the developed world population old and largely childless, who’s gonna ensure “the progress” (sorry to use this completely discredited word) going forward or even current level of knowledge and culture remain sustained?

    The eclipse is nearly certain. Black Sun rises, our offspring will probably live in dark and dangerous times. But it will also be a time of opportunity for those who are not afraid of the Darkness. They will prevail.

  44. @Barbarossa
    @A123

    I've heard of the Aussie spread called Marmite but never of any group named that. It appears that the Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company is actually a Seventh Day Adventist project.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitarium_Health_and_Wellbeing_Company

    I suppose that might be better than being a wholly owned Metallica Health and Wellbeing Company...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Dfo4zDduI

    Replies: @A123

    I was intending humor. While Kiwis are zealous about their Marmite, I do not believe they think of it as a religion.

    I noticed the “Sanatarium” branding at one point and thus the manufacturer name.

     

     

    I was unaware that it was associate with the Seventh Day Adventist product.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @A123

    Marmite, when not the original beef stew in Bavaria, is a British yeast based spread. It has a bitter taste that some people cannot endure. There is an Australian rival called Vegemite. There is also Bovril in the UK. This is a similar product based on beef extract (I don't know either).

    I have tried Marmite on Russian friends and they say there is something similar in Russia but I have never seen it on sale.

  45. @songbird
    Quite interesting how Americans seem to be promoting the idea that the Chinese are "lying flat", while the Chinese seem to be promoting the idea that Americans are "quiet quitters."

    What if they are both right, and it is a sign of the upcoming severe decline in civilization?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @A123

    Quite interesting how Americans seem to be promoting the idea that the Chinese are “lying flat”, while the Chinese seem to be promoting the idea that Americans are “quiet quitters.”

    What if they are both right, and it is a sign of the upcoming severe decline in civilization?

    It is a reflection of dysfunction, not the cause.

    In America, rewards are assigned based on DEI credentialing. If hard work offers no hope of gain… Why do it?

    The problem is fixable, as Christian Populism still contains the necessary concepts. However, it will take time.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    I think that, in order for the US to stand any chance at fixing its problems, it would need to close its borders, for at least ten years. Complete moratorium, and from the rhetoric I hear, I don't see how its possible. Hard to halt, when the founding mythos has been deconstructed, and the founding stock villified.

    One of the problems with open borders, IMO, is that it dominates the political rhetoric, so that the national looking glass is shattered, and there can't be any introspection.

    I view DIE as a very severe problem, but to a certain extent it is combinational. We would still be suffering from the some of the same problems that East Asians have, even without DIE.

    Part of it is generational. Hierarchies form. The old dominate and protect their positions. The rising cost of housing and credentialism is seen as a boon by them, in many cases. They get carve outs because of their seniority while the young pay the cost of DIE the most, and don't get hired or promoted.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  46. @Bashibuzuk
    @sher singh

    Excellent map.

    I would just replace "Ancient Iranian" by Elamite and/or BAMAC and it would be perfect.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have you read David Reich Who We Are and How We Got Here?

    Julius Evola Doctrine of Awakening?

    Do you know better sources on these topics?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I haven't read any of these books. I have read Evola's Men among the ruins, Ride the tiger, and tried to read his book about Tantra but has been turned off by his insistence on the sexual angle.

    I think that the best texts on Awakening are the scriptures of the Vijnanavada/Yogacara/Cittamatra school. IMHO they have gone the further in their study of consciousness and its relationship to both phenomenology and epistemology.

    https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/5793770

    I see this school of thought as more aligned with my psychology than Madhyamaka.

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/madhyamaka/

    I am of course biased towards a more "idealistic" outlook on Reality. Altan Bakshi (whose conversation I miss a lot) would certainly not agree with my preference towards Yogacara. He was a Tibetan Buddhist after all, while my main refuge is Ch'an/Zen.

    However, one of the most interesting takes on the teleology driving the whole evolution of cognitive capabilities has been discussed by a famous Orthodox Christian American of Slavic descent.

    https://www.sikorskyarchives.com/Evolution.php

    This lecture is of course quite compatible with the vision of the Jesuit anthropologist Theillard de Chardin.

    It is also compatible with Russian Cosmism of which Sikorsky might have been aware given both his origins and his professional field.

    Of course, all these lines of thought are influenced by the Orthodox Christian teaching about Theosis (a tip of hat to Mr Hack who holds this teaching in highest esteem). It is just that they transfered this teaching from its afterlife focus to the material world and its evolution towards becoming sentient.

    An interesting detail, the first prototype built by Sikorsky was co-financed by another famous Orthodox Christian Russian-born American of distant Tatar ancestry - Rakhmaninov.

    Regarding population genetics, it is a heavily censured and a very politically correct scientific domain. There are controversial topics that they will probably never discuss. And whole genome comparisons are often misleading because the whole of the genome is seen as uniform in its propensity to mutation and genetic drift (you might perhaps be interested in the article about the genetics of paleo-americans that I have posted above, the authors are clearly up to something). I prefer looking only on Y chromosome haplogroups, these are the best markers to follow ethnic groups.

    About the origins of the Balto-Slav, Indo-European and Indo-Iranian populations, I think the best books on genetics are those by Klyosov. But one should be aware of his pro-Russian/Slav bias. Also, Where did the Indo-Aryans come from? : the material culture of the tribes of the Andronovo community and the origin of the Indo-Iranians. by Kuz'mina is an excellent work of anthropology. She has also collaborated with Mallory and published in English, but I did not read it.

    https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9789047420712/Bej.9789004160545.i-763_001.xml?language=en

    Basically, digging into publications on human paleogenetics, comparing the finds to historical sources and linguistics help get an idea of what might have happened. It is a hobby of mine that I have spent a lot of time (probably too much time) pursuing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  47. @German_reader
    @Matra


    Hungary is still fine
     
    Here's a transcript of a recent Orban interview by German magazine Cicero:
    https://miniszterelnok.hu/panel-discussion-involving-prime-minister-viktor-orban-and-the-directors-of-the-monthly-magazine-cicero/
    Of course Orban isn't perfect either (most notably regarding corruption and nepotism), but compared to the horror show from Poland and the Baltic states whose politicians seem keen on a world war against Sino-Russian-Iranian alliance he's a model of sanity and responsibility.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Pure bliss from Orban, must be afraid now that various matras might excommunicate him too, lol

    I called it aggression on day one, and we accepted the European interpretation. Our thinking about the war is the same as the European Union’s position, of which we’re a part. So there’s no Hungarian position which is distinct from the European position: we share the European Union’s position. This is aggression. Moreover, I’m a lawyer, I was once – or, to be more precise, I went to law school. Legally, the situation is absolutely clear. There is international law, and the Russians have violated it. This is called aggression. They’ve started a war. Whatever the reason, it’s an international violation, and there’s nothing more to talk about. It’s aggression.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    The question is how to deal with that aggression. Balts, who must be some of the most myopic and emotionally incontinent peoples at least in the northern hemisphere, regularly come up with brilliant proposals like this (from a former high-ranking Estonian general):

    https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1582039802018680832?cxt=HHwWgMDSvay0xPQrAAAA

    Not content with agitating for war with Russia, Baltic politicians like the stupid bitch running Estonia are now criticizing Scholz' upcoming trip to China, clamouring that there needs to be a common European position...which just means adopting the position of the most hardline American crusaders and their framework of a Manichaean zero sum struggle between "democracies" and "autocracies". I don't know what sort of supermen Balts imagine themselves to be, they seem awfully keen on taking not just on Russia, but on an entire Sino-Russian-Iranian bloc, that has mostly just come into being because of American policies.

    Replies: @Matra

  48. @Matra
    The Visegrad crew now advocating Islamic terrorism. I'm noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland. Germans with any self-respect - assuming there are some left - must be looking at the reaction to Nord Stream from Poland & the Baltics along with the WW2 grifting and drawing conclusions about their 'allies'. Hungary is still fine but no reason left to care anymore about Poles and Baltoids. They have too much undigested history, too big a chip on their shoulders, and too selfish & pig-headed in general.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status - in Canada whether students or special circumstances like this war there is almost no such thing as temporary status, permanent status will follow. Over 312k have already been accepted. Given Canada's family unification policies and lack of clarity regarding how many of these applications do not include dependent relatives & soldiers left behind its possible that something like 2-3%, maybe more if the war drags on, of Ukraine's entire pre-war population could end up in Canada. A lot of these will be young people. Even with a Ukrainian victory, however that is defined, the future of Ukraine doesn't look good.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @AP, @S

    Surviving total war in Kherson Region, Ukraine in 1941 – 1945. Vladyslav Alexander

    How Kherson went from 100,000 souls to 100 residents between 1941 and 1945.

    It’s happened before.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  49. @A123
    @songbird


    Quite interesting how Americans seem to be promoting the idea that the Chinese are “lying flat”, while the Chinese seem to be promoting the idea that Americans are “quiet quitters.”

    What if they are both right, and it is a sign of the upcoming severe decline in civilization?
     
    It is a reflection of dysfunction, not the cause.

    In America, rewards are assigned based on DEI credentialing. If hard work offers no hope of gain... Why do it?

    The problem is fixable, as Christian Populism still contains the necessary concepts. However, it will take time.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    I think that, in order for the US to stand any chance at fixing its problems, it would need to close its borders, for at least ten years.

    [MORE]
    Complete moratorium, and from the rhetoric I hear, I don’t see how its possible. Hard to halt, when the founding mythos has been deconstructed, and the founding stock villified.

    One of the problems with open borders, IMO, is that it dominates the political rhetoric, so that the national looking glass is shattered, and there can’t be any introspection.

    I view DIE as a very severe problem, but to a certain extent it is combinational. We would still be suffering from the some of the same problems that East Asians have, even without DIE.

    Part of it is generational. Hierarchies form. The old dominate and protect their positions. The rising cost of housing and credentialism is seen as a boon by them, in many cases. They get carve outs because of their seniority while the young pay the cost of DIE the most, and don’t get hired or promoted.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    the young pay the cost of DIE the most, and don’t get hired or promoted.
     
    Did you mean :the young pay the cost and DIE the most, and don't get hired or promoted
     Still plenty of "help wanted" signs in my neck of the woods. McDonalds and Burger King start at no les than $15 an hour. That means that a young couple could make possibly $62,400/year. No reason to go off of the deep end and end it all by overdosing on opioids...

    https://www.syracuse.com/resizer/tlZI9-qS6Nvxt6F6U6Elqo7h1AQ=/800x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/C7VQMZZCWJGIVIC4AQ6BTUIMCI.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    , @A123
    @songbird


    I think that, in order for the US to stand any chance at fixing its problems, it would need to close its borders, for at least ten years.

    Complete moratorium, and from the rhetoric I hear, I don’t see how its possible. Hard to halt, when the founding mythos has been deconstructed, and the founding stock villified.
     
    A great deal can be achieved without "complete". A couple of examples:

    Asylum claims allowed only if the U.S. is "First Safe Country". Mexico is "Safe", so that would eliminate the vast majority of So the & Central American asylum seekers right there.

    The idea of citizenship by "drop location" is clearly not in the 14th Amendment. SCOTUS could easily support simple logic the the children of unknowns, tourist visas, and illegals are citizens of their home country (not America).

    PEACE 😇
  50. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Pure bliss from Orban, must be afraid now that various matras might excommunicate him too, lol


    I called it aggression on day one, and we accepted the European interpretation. Our thinking about the war is the same as the European Union’s position, of which we’re a part. So there’s no Hungarian position which is distinct from the European position: we share the European Union’s position. This is aggression. Moreover, I’m a lawyer, I was once – or, to be more precise, I went to law school. Legally, the situation is absolutely clear. There is international law, and the Russians have violated it. This is called aggression. They’ve started a war. Whatever the reason, it’s an international violation, and there’s nothing more to talk about. It’s aggression.
     

    Replies: @German_reader

    The question is how to deal with that aggression. Balts, who must be some of the most myopic and emotionally incontinent peoples at least in the northern hemisphere, regularly come up with brilliant proposals like this (from a former high-ranking Estonian general):

    [MORE]

    Not content with agitating for war with Russia, Baltic politicians like the stupid bitch running Estonia are now criticizing Scholz’ upcoming trip to China, clamouring that there needs to be a common European position…which just means adopting the position of the most hardline American crusaders and their framework of a Manichaean zero sum struggle between “democracies” and “autocracies”. I don’t know what sort of supermen Balts imagine themselves to be, they seem awfully keen on taking not just on Russia, but on an entire Sino-Russian-Iranian bloc, that has mostly just come into being because of American policies.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @German_reader

    I can't recall the details but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth, recently suggested that once the war is over Ukraine should consider ditching Cyrillic script for Latin. He cited Ataturk getting rid of Arabic script as an example to follow. I know most Ukrainians embrace a Western identity these days but I'd be surprised if Ukrainian language speakers were willing to go that far but who knows. Maybe AP would have insight on such a possibility.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP, @LatW

  51. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Bashibuzuk

    Have you read David Reich Who We Are and How We Got Here?

    Julius Evola Doctrine of Awakening?

    Do you know better sources on these topics?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    I haven’t read any of these books. I have read Evola’s Men among the ruins, Ride the tiger, and tried to read his book about Tantra but has been turned off by his insistence on the sexual angle.

    I think that the best texts on Awakening are the scriptures of the Vijnanavada/Yogacara/Cittamatra school. IMHO they have gone the further in their study of consciousness and its relationship to both phenomenology and epistemology.

    https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/5793770

    I see this school of thought as more aligned with my psychology than Madhyamaka.

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/madhyamaka/

    I am of course biased towards a more “idealistic” outlook on Reality. Altan Bakshi (whose conversation I miss a lot) would certainly not agree with my preference towards Yogacara. He was a Tibetan Buddhist after all, while my main refuge is Ch’an/Zen.

    [MORE]

    However, one of the most interesting takes on the teleology driving the whole evolution of cognitive capabilities has been discussed by a famous Orthodox Christian American of Slavic descent.

    https://www.sikorskyarchives.com/Evolution.php

    This lecture is of course quite compatible with the vision of the Jesuit anthropologist Theillard de Chardin.

    It is also compatible with Russian Cosmism of which Sikorsky might have been aware given both his origins and his professional field.

    Of course, all these lines of thought are influenced by the Orthodox Christian teaching about Theosis (a tip of hat to Mr Hack who holds this teaching in highest esteem). It is just that they transfered this teaching from its afterlife focus to the material world and its evolution towards becoming sentient.

    An interesting detail, the first prototype built by Sikorsky was co-financed by another famous Orthodox Christian Russian-born American of distant Tatar ancestry – Rakhmaninov.

    Regarding population genetics, it is a heavily censured and a very politically correct scientific domain. There are controversial topics that they will probably never discuss. And whole genome comparisons are often misleading because the whole of the genome is seen as uniform in its propensity to mutation and genetic drift (you might perhaps be interested in the article about the genetics of paleo-americans that I have posted above, the authors are clearly up to something). I prefer looking only on Y chromosome haplogroups, these are the best markers to follow ethnic groups.

    About the origins of the Balto-Slav, Indo-European and Indo-Iranian populations, I think the best books on genetics are those by Klyosov. But one should be aware of his pro-Russian/Slav bias. Also, Where did the Indo-Aryans come from? : the material culture of the tribes of the Andronovo community and the origin of the Indo-Iranians. by Kuz’mina is an excellent work of anthropology. She has also collaborated with Mallory and published in English, but I did not read it.

    https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9789047420712/Bej.9789004160545.i-763_001.xml?language=en

    Basically, digging into publications on human paleogenetics, comparing the finds to historical sources and linguistics help get an idea of what might have happened. It is a hobby of mine that I have spent a lot of time (probably too much time) pursuing.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Bashibuzuk

    Thank you.

    I will look at your recommended sources I have not seen before, although it will definitely take more than a day!

    In the meantime, have a look at Alan Moore's deity:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Glycon_%2851644816839%29.jpg/678px-Glycon_%2851644816839%29.jpg

    The Brill publication which retails for 330 dollars is 42 minutes of downloading time from libgen away!

    Is this a sin?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @S

  52. @A123
    If we are opening with videos. This explains, in a humorous way, why major studio films are struggling.

    Warning: NSFW Language

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngqO9Hp19_4

    Sorry if this is a dupe. I do not always remember what has been previously shared.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Wokechoke

    That’s Lenny Henry.

    A Black Numinorian?

    still not funny, Lenny.

  53. @songbird
    @A123

    I think that, in order for the US to stand any chance at fixing its problems, it would need to close its borders, for at least ten years. Complete moratorium, and from the rhetoric I hear, I don't see how its possible. Hard to halt, when the founding mythos has been deconstructed, and the founding stock villified.

    One of the problems with open borders, IMO, is that it dominates the political rhetoric, so that the national looking glass is shattered, and there can't be any introspection.

    I view DIE as a very severe problem, but to a certain extent it is combinational. We would still be suffering from the some of the same problems that East Asians have, even without DIE.

    Part of it is generational. Hierarchies form. The old dominate and protect their positions. The rising cost of housing and credentialism is seen as a boon by them, in many cases. They get carve outs because of their seniority while the young pay the cost of DIE the most, and don't get hired or promoted.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    the young pay the cost of DIE the most, and don’t get hired or promoted.

    Did you mean :the young pay the cost and DIE the most, and don’t get hired or promoted

    Still plenty of “help wanted” signs in my neck of the woods. McDonalds and Burger King start at no les than $15 an hour. That means that a young couple could make possibly $62,400/year. No reason to go off of the deep end and end it all by overdosing on opioids…

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Is your pro-Ukrainian activism not enough, do you also have to be the worst kind of self-satisfied boomer? Seriously, going on about "careers" in fast food restaurants while completely ignoring songbird's point about the escalating diversity regime, that's really a bit much.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Haha. Very amusing - you sound like a Sackler exec.

    BTW, which national TV network's evening news broadcast do you tune into daily at 6:30 PM (or Mountain Time equivalent?)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  54. @Bashibuzuk
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I haven't read any of these books. I have read Evola's Men among the ruins, Ride the tiger, and tried to read his book about Tantra but has been turned off by his insistence on the sexual angle.

    I think that the best texts on Awakening are the scriptures of the Vijnanavada/Yogacara/Cittamatra school. IMHO they have gone the further in their study of consciousness and its relationship to both phenomenology and epistemology.

    https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/5793770

    I see this school of thought as more aligned with my psychology than Madhyamaka.

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/madhyamaka/

    I am of course biased towards a more "idealistic" outlook on Reality. Altan Bakshi (whose conversation I miss a lot) would certainly not agree with my preference towards Yogacara. He was a Tibetan Buddhist after all, while my main refuge is Ch'an/Zen.

    However, one of the most interesting takes on the teleology driving the whole evolution of cognitive capabilities has been discussed by a famous Orthodox Christian American of Slavic descent.

    https://www.sikorskyarchives.com/Evolution.php

    This lecture is of course quite compatible with the vision of the Jesuit anthropologist Theillard de Chardin.

    It is also compatible with Russian Cosmism of which Sikorsky might have been aware given both his origins and his professional field.

    Of course, all these lines of thought are influenced by the Orthodox Christian teaching about Theosis (a tip of hat to Mr Hack who holds this teaching in highest esteem). It is just that they transfered this teaching from its afterlife focus to the material world and its evolution towards becoming sentient.

    An interesting detail, the first prototype built by Sikorsky was co-financed by another famous Orthodox Christian Russian-born American of distant Tatar ancestry - Rakhmaninov.

    Regarding population genetics, it is a heavily censured and a very politically correct scientific domain. There are controversial topics that they will probably never discuss. And whole genome comparisons are often misleading because the whole of the genome is seen as uniform in its propensity to mutation and genetic drift (you might perhaps be interested in the article about the genetics of paleo-americans that I have posted above, the authors are clearly up to something). I prefer looking only on Y chromosome haplogroups, these are the best markers to follow ethnic groups.

    About the origins of the Balto-Slav, Indo-European and Indo-Iranian populations, I think the best books on genetics are those by Klyosov. But one should be aware of his pro-Russian/Slav bias. Also, Where did the Indo-Aryans come from? : the material culture of the tribes of the Andronovo community and the origin of the Indo-Iranians. by Kuz'mina is an excellent work of anthropology. She has also collaborated with Mallory and published in English, but I did not read it.

    https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9789047420712/Bej.9789004160545.i-763_001.xml?language=en

    Basically, digging into publications on human paleogenetics, comparing the finds to historical sources and linguistics help get an idea of what might have happened. It is a hobby of mine that I have spent a lot of time (probably too much time) pursuing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thank you.

    I will look at your recommended sources I have not seen before, although it will definitely take more than a day!

    In the meantime, have a look at Alan Moore’s deity:

    The Brill publication which retails for 330 dollars is 42 minutes of downloading time from libgen away!

    Is this a sin?

    • LOL: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Logos must be freed from the Demiurge's entrapment. Information must flow free. Long live Libgen that helps our consciousness evolve towards the Omega Point!

    😁

    Beautiful statue, they got Him represented right.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Lion-faced_deity.jpg/150px-Lion-faced_deity.jpg

    Each time I see His representations in their myriad forms, I feel both gratitude and rancor. I'm probably just being picky and spoiled. Without Him, where would we all be ? Would we be at all ?



    It occurred to me that my questions have been asked before me, and by men of much higher spiritual achievements:


    One day John, the brother of James [these are the sons of Zebedee], was going up to the Temple. A Pharisee by the name of Arimanios came up to him and challenged him, asking: "Where is the teacher you used to follow?"

    John replied, "He has gone back to the place from which he came."

    The Pharisee said, "That Nazarene misled you (plural), told you lies, closed your hearts and turned you away from your ancestral traditions.”

    When I heard these things, I, John, turned away from the temple and went off to a deserted mountainous place. I was very unhappy, saying to myself:

    "How was the Savior designated?
    Why did his Father send him into the world?
    Who is his Father?
    What kind of realm will we go to?

    For, although he told us, ‘This realm is modeled on the imperishable realm,’
    He didn't teach us about the latter.”
     
    http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

    I am pretty sure the Blind Watchmaker would agree with my choice of scriptural references.

    You have a great weekend!

    🙂
    , @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Reminds me of the Thulsa Doom character in Conan the Barbarian.

    Anyhow, the self proclaimed 'progressive' types can't help themselves with the race mixing thing.

    Like that Ice Age Columbus clip I recently posted which featured the primordial European Solutrean chief who was obviously half Cree (and half Scot), European peoples are not supposed to have anything to themselves.

    Truth is a dangerous thing to the powers that be.


    https://www.grayflannelsuit.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2005/08/Conan-The-Barbarian-Thulsa-Doom-james-earl-jones-snake.jpg

  55. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    the young pay the cost of DIE the most, and don’t get hired or promoted.
     
    Did you mean :the young pay the cost and DIE the most, and don't get hired or promoted
     Still plenty of "help wanted" signs in my neck of the woods. McDonalds and Burger King start at no les than $15 an hour. That means that a young couple could make possibly $62,400/year. No reason to go off of the deep end and end it all by overdosing on opioids...

    https://www.syracuse.com/resizer/tlZI9-qS6Nvxt6F6U6Elqo7h1AQ=/800x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/C7VQMZZCWJGIVIC4AQ6BTUIMCI.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    Is your pro-Ukrainian activism not enough, do you also have to be the worst kind of self-satisfied boomer? Seriously, going on about “careers” in fast food restaurants while completely ignoring songbird’s point about the escalating diversity regime, that’s really a bit much.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    The economy in my neck of the woods (>1000 mi from Phoenix) also is booming. If the end of the world is on the way it certainly has a deceptive prelude.

    Ted Kaczynski says the technological singularity has already happened.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Who say's Hack isn't a you know what...

  56. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Bashibuzuk

    Thank you.

    I will look at your recommended sources I have not seen before, although it will definitely take more than a day!

    In the meantime, have a look at Alan Moore's deity:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Glycon_%2851644816839%29.jpg/678px-Glycon_%2851644816839%29.jpg

    The Brill publication which retails for 330 dollars is 42 minutes of downloading time from libgen away!

    Is this a sin?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @S

    Logos must be freed from the Demiurge’s entrapment. Information must flow free. Long live Libgen that helps our consciousness evolve towards the Omega Point!

    😁

    Beautiful statue, they got Him represented right.

    Each time I see His representations in their myriad forms, I feel both gratitude and rancor. I’m probably just being picky and spoiled. Without Him, where would we all be ? Would we be at all ?

    [MORE]

    It occurred to me that my questions have been asked before me, and by men of much higher spiritual achievements:

    One day John, the brother of James [these are the sons of Zebedee], was going up to the Temple. A Pharisee by the name of Arimanios came up to him and challenged him, asking: “Where is the teacher you used to follow?”

    John replied, “He has gone back to the place from which he came.”

    The Pharisee said, “That Nazarene misled you (plural), told you lies, closed your hearts and turned you away from your ancestral traditions.”

    When I heard these things, I, John, turned away from the temple and went off to a deserted mountainous place. I was very unhappy, saying to myself:

    “How was the Savior designated?
    Why did his Father send him into the world?
    Who is his Father?
    What kind of realm will we go to?

    For, although he told us, ‘This realm is modeled on the imperishable realm,’
    He didn’t teach us about the latter.”

    http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

    I am pretty sure the Blind Watchmaker would agree with my choice of scriptural references.

    You have a great weekend!

    🙂

  57. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Is your pro-Ukrainian activism not enough, do you also have to be the worst kind of self-satisfied boomer? Seriously, going on about "careers" in fast food restaurants while completely ignoring songbird's point about the escalating diversity regime, that's really a bit much.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    The economy in my neck of the woods (>1000 mi from Phoenix) also is booming. If the end of the world is on the way it certainly has a deceptive prelude.

    Ted Kaczynski says the technological singularity has already happened.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The economy in my neck of the woods (>1000 mi from Phoenix) also is booming. If the end of the world is on the way it certainly has a deceptive prelude.
     
    Energy costs and transport issues are causing huge problems in my area.

    As a matter of survival, everyone is trying to pad cash into their piece of any new arrangement. During:

    • Trump's 1st Term -- Everyone could agree on a 12 or 24 month contract.
    • Not-The-President Biden's regime -- Deals running 3 months or less are common.
    ___

    Customers have paid penalties to cancel deals because:

    ♦ Financing fell apart. Gone. Or, unaffordable rates.
    ♦ Their eventual buyer cancelled. And, that cascaded up the chain.

    Major capital plans for expansion are "on hold" pending price/demand predictability returns.

    We have, so far, avoided the dreaded "deferred maintenance" decision. However, some early discussions along those lines have taken place.

    Our local outlook is "scared spitless". Open door, check for grim reaper, then enter room.

    PEACE 😇
  58. Is your pro-Ukrainian activism not enough

    As long as your over the top hysterics about supporting Ukraine remains at a boiling point, my Ukrainian activism will remain intact. I also graduated from college at a time of a long recession and couldn’t find “meaningful” work and had to settle for restaurant type work, so my post about this topic is not devoid of sensitivity. But what can you do? Nowadays it’s well known that a degree in liberal arts is not necessarily an open door to a high paying job or career. In my day, believe it or not, this wasn’t the case. Nobody ever promised you that life would be a rose garden, sometimes you have to make due with what’s being offered.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Nowadays it’s well known that a degree in liberal arts is not necessarily an open door to a high paying job or career.
     
    That's besides the point, I doubt the people killing themselves with opioids whom you more or less mocked in your comment are mostly liberal arts graduates, clearly something else is going on. Don't really want to get into a long discussion about this, but I do find it striking how completely incapable of even the slightest self-criticism or of any sympathy for younger generations many boomers in the US and in Western Europe seem to be, really a terrible après moi le déluge mindset.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHHCZTvQco

  59. The video below is of a particularly deadly German secret weapon code named ‘Sonia’. of which, had Fritz simply had more of them, could well of changed the course of events.

    As it was this weapon was simply developed too late.

    Well, to be specific, it was developed over two decades after the war too late in 1967.

    But, still…

  60. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Is your pro-Ukrainian activism not enough
     
    As long as your over the top hysterics about supporting Ukraine remains at a boiling point, my Ukrainian activism will remain intact. I also graduated from college at a time of a long recession and couldn't find "meaningful" work and had to settle for restaurant type work, so my post about this topic is not devoid of sensitivity. But what can you do? Nowadays it's well known that a degree in liberal arts is not necessarily an open door to a high paying job or career. In my day, believe it or not, this wasn't the case. Nobody ever promised you that life would be a rose garden, sometimes you have to make due with what's being offered.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikhail

    Nowadays it’s well known that a degree in liberal arts is not necessarily an open door to a high paying job or career.

    That’s besides the point, I doubt the people killing themselves with opioids whom you more or less mocked in your comment are mostly liberal arts graduates, clearly something else is going on. Don’t really want to get into a long discussion about this, but I do find it striking how completely incapable of even the slightest self-criticism or of any sympathy for younger generations many boomers in the US and in Western Europe seem to be, really a terrible après moi le déluge mindset.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    Well, the younger Americans that I work with and sit next to at work, are very hard working and intelligent, so I don't have the time nor the desire to feel sorry for a lot of the lazy couch potatoes that chose to sit on the couch all day long and complain. I never ask them if the have college degrees or not (I suspect that a some of them don't), and they seem quite able to focus and master the work that is put out in front of them.

    I do know of one opioid user that has ruined his life and has put quite a strain on his immediate family. He was church going acquaintance, that had a great degree in chemistry, a beautiful wife and 3 really nice looking boys, and a beautiful house on the periphery of the city . He exchanged all of this for a life of pursuing opioids, visiting rehab centers and hanging around really lousy people. He always seems to find great excuses about why he ended up this way, and at this point I've told him that only God can help him, and I leave it at that...

  61. @Wokechoke
    @Yevardian

    Ukies worship antitank guns and proffer sainthood upon them. I suspect there will be sects who bow before Drones.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    I suspect there will be sects who bow before Drones.

    Some pets are named Bayraktar. Not kids yet, hopefully. Pretty cool to have a little French bulldog named Bayraktar. 🙂

  62. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Nowadays it’s well known that a degree in liberal arts is not necessarily an open door to a high paying job or career.
     
    That's besides the point, I doubt the people killing themselves with opioids whom you more or less mocked in your comment are mostly liberal arts graduates, clearly something else is going on. Don't really want to get into a long discussion about this, but I do find it striking how completely incapable of even the slightest self-criticism or of any sympathy for younger generations many boomers in the US and in Western Europe seem to be, really a terrible après moi le déluge mindset.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Well, the younger Americans that I work with and sit next to at work, are very hard working and intelligent, so I don’t have the time nor the desire to feel sorry for a lot of the lazy couch potatoes that chose to sit on the couch all day long and complain. I never ask them if the have college degrees or not (I suspect that a some of them don’t), and they seem quite able to focus and master the work that is put out in front of them.

    I do know of one opioid user that has ruined his life and has put quite a strain on his immediate family. He was church going acquaintance, that had a great degree in chemistry, a beautiful wife and 3 really nice looking boys, and a beautiful house on the periphery of the city . He exchanged all of this for a life of pursuing opioids, visiting rehab centers and hanging around really lousy people. He always seems to find great excuses about why he ended up this way, and at this point I’ve told him that only God can help him, and I leave it at that…

  63. @Matra
    The Visegrad crew now advocating Islamic terrorism. I'm noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland. Germans with any self-respect - assuming there are some left - must be looking at the reaction to Nord Stream from Poland & the Baltics along with the WW2 grifting and drawing conclusions about their 'allies'. Hungary is still fine but no reason left to care anymore about Poles and Baltoids. They have too much undigested history, too big a chip on their shoulders, and too selfish & pig-headed in general.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status - in Canada whether students or special circumstances like this war there is almost no such thing as temporary status, permanent status will follow. Over 312k have already been accepted. Given Canada's family unification policies and lack of clarity regarding how many of these applications do not include dependent relatives & soldiers left behind its possible that something like 2-3%, maybe more if the war drags on, of Ukraine's entire pre-war population could end up in Canada. A lot of these will be young people. Even with a Ukrainian victory, however that is defined, the future of Ukraine doesn't look good.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @AP, @S

    I’m noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland.

    A combination of the phenomenon of useful-for-Russia idiots who see a savior in Putin and therefore hatred for his enemies, and resentment of peoples who are superior to them and highlight their own faults. Peoples who actually fight for their homelands rather than invite in invaders who displace them, peoples who demand money rather than give it to those who replace them in their own lands, peoples who retain a high level of physical beauty that has been fading among the Westerners, etc.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status – in Canada

    I’d guess most of the ones in Germany and Poland will return (my own have come back in summer to central Ukraine from the Rhineland where they went in March when Russians were threatening Kiev and Zhytomir) but most of the ones in North America will stay: it is further away and more difficult to come back. Though by no means will they all stay, many husbands and brothers have remained in Ukraine so there is a reason to return.

    Be careful, it will take longer for Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites, with all of those young Eastern Europeans refugees boosting the European population.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @AP


    Be careful, it will take longer for Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites, with all of those young Eastern Europeans refugees boosting the European population.
     
    6 lakh is about a year's immigration. 20 Lakh with family unification is like 3..
    Ukr also suck at subtlety - their hate crimes/RW terrorism further the narrative.

    The avg White sees Ukraine getting billions while Syria or w/e gets nothing.
    They can sleep for 20 years knowing Whites matter more even as a multicultural minority.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ
    , @Dmitry
    @AP


    peoples who demand money rather than give it to those
     
    Poor countries "demanding money" from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries and negative for the rich countries?

    Because rich countries of Western Europe which have successful economy have given more than $100 billion to Poland, this is something you see as positive about Poland? Not the other way? So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar, who has the productive society and the hardworking population that allows them to give to the beggar?


    those who replace them in their own lands
     
    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly. It's not some kind of indicator of success for the origin country of the emigrants that it produces this migration direction, but it is indicator of the success of the destination country that people go there to "upgrade their life".

    Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites
     
    Emigration of Eastern Europeans to Canada will surely merge to the immigrants from India and China, more than helping to recreate the anglosaxon history or British empire. It's increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

    Replies: @A123, @Coconuts, @AP

  64. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Bashibuzuk

    Thank you.

    I will look at your recommended sources I have not seen before, although it will definitely take more than a day!

    In the meantime, have a look at Alan Moore's deity:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Glycon_%2851644816839%29.jpg/678px-Glycon_%2851644816839%29.jpg

    The Brill publication which retails for 330 dollars is 42 minutes of downloading time from libgen away!

    Is this a sin?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @S

    Reminds me of the Thulsa Doom character in Conan the Barbarian.

    Anyhow, the self proclaimed ‘progressive’ types can’t help themselves with the race mixing thing.

    Like that Ice Age Columbus clip I recently posted which featured the primordial European Solutrean chief who was obviously half Cree (and half Scot), European peoples are not supposed to have anything to themselves.

    Truth is a dangerous thing to the powers that be.

  65. @sher singh
    The Karlin discord is full of:

    1. Angry American White Nationalists who believe:
    • Being White = Automatically Vedic Upper Caste
    • Aryans Eat Beef
    • Circumcision is Trad
    • Everyone wants to be White
    • Non-White Gangs don’t control large parts of the USA (cities)

    2. Weirdos:
    • Half white Copt defending smelling his dad’s dick or measuring his mom/sisters labia
    • German-American (mixed) White Nationalist who thinks poking at poop in the toilet is cool.
    • Random SinoBoos who defend China at the drop of a hat, while being White Nationalists

    3. Random LatAms & Chinese:
    • They hate India for being a brown country with culture
    • Refuse to remain on topic, and try to suck up to the wignats
    • Asian trolls who hate Indians, but are turned on by Indian Man Chinese Woman couples

    To top it all off most of them value religion, but hate religiosity – calling it a larp, cope or w/e

    "I don't let any dieties control my life"

    Truly a circus,

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

    “I don’t let any dieties control my life”

    Hey, I don’t let any dieties control my life either, I eat whatever I please!

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    Wrong man to have that convo with.
    You don't eat dogs, cats, snakes or horses.

    Your preferences are shaped by those who took your foreskin||
    Aryans have Maryada - a clear code - it'll please you to save your life in the interest of cow protection||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  66. @Mikhail
    The Wishful Theory of ‘Strategic Russian Defeat
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-10-19/strategic-russian-defeat-is-not-a-viable-solution-to-the-war-in-ukraine

    ####

    Some feedback from elsewhere:

    I’m seeing more and more ‘anal-y-ses’ & ‘opinions’ in the PPNN about the Ukraine that are even more vague than normal. You are left with the impression that the author wants to say something but the author themselves have not thought through what it is they even want to say. Technically it is ‘content’ but it provides nothing new, either in insight, information or anything else. I guess what we can say is that now that it is clear to most of these idiots that the Ukraine will not win, they are forced in to unfamiliar territory that they have not considered and are lost in the woods. I expect more of this thrashing about to come.

    &

    Also, as soon as I got to this sentence, I stopped reading:

    “Fiona Hill, one of the most respected Russia experts in the US and a former Russia guru in the Trump administration, offered a less radical version of the same argument in a recent interview with Politico.”

    If Bershidsky rates Hill as ‘one of the most respected Russia experts’, that’s all I need to know. Fiona Hill could find a samovar in the space where she left her car when she was ready to go home, and she would only mutter peevishly, “What’s this big stupid brass car doing here, my key won’t fit it”. She is a simpleton in every derogatory sense of the word, I would have thought Bershidsky was too intelligent to fall for her mad ravings. Perhaps his hatred for Putin has overcome his judgement.

    Replies: @Pixo

    That’s a good and balanced article.

    Russia has already been defeated, its reputation, influence in the West, economy and military have been permanently damaged.

    As much as I am on the side of Ukraine, it isn’t comfortable to be on the same side as the MIC Russia-haters.

    Now seems a good time for us to be a gracious winner and negotiate something reasonable.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Pixo


    Now seems a good time for us to be a gracious winner and negotiate something reasonable.
     
    Those who are doing the actual physical fighting will be doing the negotiating. Those who helped can have a say but only with close alignment with the one who's doing the fighting and dying.

    And that includes the Russian Volunteer Corps and the Legion Freedom of Russia.

    , @Mikhail
    @Pixo


    That’s a good and balanced article.

    Russia has already been defeated, its reputation, influence in the West, economy and military have been permanently damaged.

    As much as I am on the side of Ukraine, it isn’t comfortable to be on the same side as the MIC Russia-haters.

    Now seems a good time for us to be a gracious winner and negotiate something reasonable.

     

    The replies I posted to that article are good and balanced. Russia isn't losing and will not lose.
  67. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    The economy in my neck of the woods (>1000 mi from Phoenix) also is booming. If the end of the world is on the way it certainly has a deceptive prelude.

    Ted Kaczynski says the technological singularity has already happened.

    Replies: @A123

    The economy in my neck of the woods (>1000 mi from Phoenix) also is booming. If the end of the world is on the way it certainly has a deceptive prelude.

    Energy costs and transport issues are causing huge problems in my area.

    As a matter of survival, everyone is trying to pad cash into their piece of any new arrangement. During:

    • Trump’s 1st Term — Everyone could agree on a 12 or 24 month contract.
    • Not-The-President Biden’s regime — Deals running 3 months or less are common.
    ___

    Customers have paid penalties to cancel deals because:

    ♦ Financing fell apart. Gone. Or, unaffordable rates.
    ♦ Their eventual buyer cancelled. And, that cascaded up the chain.

    Major capital plans for expansion are “on hold” pending price/demand predictability returns.

    We have, so far, avoided the dreaded “deferred maintenance” decision. However, some early discussions along those lines have taken place.

    Our local outlook is “scared spitless“. Open door, check for grim reaper, then enter room.

    PEACE 😇

  68. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    The question is how to deal with that aggression. Balts, who must be some of the most myopic and emotionally incontinent peoples at least in the northern hemisphere, regularly come up with brilliant proposals like this (from a former high-ranking Estonian general):

    https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1582039802018680832?cxt=HHwWgMDSvay0xPQrAAAA

    Not content with agitating for war with Russia, Baltic politicians like the stupid bitch running Estonia are now criticizing Scholz' upcoming trip to China, clamouring that there needs to be a common European position...which just means adopting the position of the most hardline American crusaders and their framework of a Manichaean zero sum struggle between "democracies" and "autocracies". I don't know what sort of supermen Balts imagine themselves to be, they seem awfully keen on taking not just on Russia, but on an entire Sino-Russian-Iranian bloc, that has mostly just come into being because of American policies.

    Replies: @Matra

    I can’t recall the details but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth, recently suggested that once the war is over Ukraine should consider ditching Cyrillic script for Latin. He cited Ataturk getting rid of Arabic script as an example to follow. I know most Ukrainians embrace a Western identity these days but I’d be surprised if Ukrainian language speakers were willing to go that far but who knows. Maybe AP would have insight on such a possibility.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra


    but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth
     
    I suppose that's the charming fellow with John McCain on the top of his Twitter profile?
    Anyway, supposedly the head of Ukraine's national security council has said the Russian language should disappear from Ukrainian territory (can't evaluate it for myself, since I understand neither Russian nor Ukrainian):

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1583322279362318336
    It's crazy that Western Europeans are expected to uncritically support such an agenda, while their own nations are being dismantled, and getting nothing but insults and continually escalating demands from the "based" Easterners.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Wokechoke

    , @AP
    @Matra

    A minority of Ukrainians say the same, but it is very much a minority. Much more popular is the wish to change the Church calendars over to the Western one so that holidays are celebrated at the same time. I think a lot of churches have already made that change.

    , @LatW
    @Matra


    I can’t recall the details but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth, recently suggested that once the war is over Ukraine should consider ditching Cyrillic script for Latin.
     
    That's not for him to meddle with (if he really said that), so he should stay quiet about it.
  69. @songbird
    @A123

    I think that, in order for the US to stand any chance at fixing its problems, it would need to close its borders, for at least ten years. Complete moratorium, and from the rhetoric I hear, I don't see how its possible. Hard to halt, when the founding mythos has been deconstructed, and the founding stock villified.

    One of the problems with open borders, IMO, is that it dominates the political rhetoric, so that the national looking glass is shattered, and there can't be any introspection.

    I view DIE as a very severe problem, but to a certain extent it is combinational. We would still be suffering from the some of the same problems that East Asians have, even without DIE.

    Part of it is generational. Hierarchies form. The old dominate and protect their positions. The rising cost of housing and credentialism is seen as a boon by them, in many cases. They get carve outs because of their seniority while the young pay the cost of DIE the most, and don't get hired or promoted.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    I think that, in order for the US to stand any chance at fixing its problems, it would need to close its borders, for at least ten years.

    Complete moratorium, and from the rhetoric I hear, I don’t see how its possible. Hard to halt, when the founding mythos has been deconstructed, and the founding stock villified.

    A great deal can be achieved without “complete”. A couple of examples:

    Asylum claims allowed only if the U.S. is “First Safe Country”. Mexico is “Safe”, so that would eliminate the vast majority of So the & Central American asylum seekers right there.

    The idea of citizenship by “drop location” is clearly not in the 14th Amendment. SCOTUS could easily support simple logic the the children of unknowns, tourist visas, and illegals are citizens of their home country (not America).

    PEACE 😇

  70. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    @German_reader

    I can't recall the details but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth, recently suggested that once the war is over Ukraine should consider ditching Cyrillic script for Latin. He cited Ataturk getting rid of Arabic script as an example to follow. I know most Ukrainians embrace a Western identity these days but I'd be surprised if Ukrainian language speakers were willing to go that far but who knows. Maybe AP would have insight on such a possibility.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP, @LatW

    but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth

    I suppose that’s the charming fellow with John McCain on the top of his Twitter profile?
    Anyway, supposedly the head of Ukraine’s national security council has said the Russian language should disappear from Ukrainian territory (can’t evaluate it for myself, since I understand neither Russian nor Ukrainian):

    [MORE]

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1583322279362318336
    It’s crazy that Western Europeans are expected to uncritically support such an agenda, while their own nations are being dismantled, and getting nothing but insults and continually escalating demands from the “based” Easterners.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    You've got to admit that the imagery is wonderful. Reminds me of the stuff Karlin used to paste here to great aplomb:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfqtSuRXEAIf6hq?format=jpg&name=large

    Remember, the good old days?:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/na-korable-polden.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikhail

    , @AP
    @German_reader

    A lot of Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine. They tell themselves they themselves will stop speaking Russian, but slip and revert to Russian (like a broken New Year's resolution). But they want to make sure their kids, unlike them, will not be Russian speakers. They want that language to disappear from Ukraine eventually.

    It's a rather predictable backlash to Putin invading and killing people (mostly Russian-speakers!) in order to preserve the Russian language.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    A Jewish head of state in Europe is an evil thing. End of story. I know you are not allowed to say such things in Germany but the evidence is in.

    Replies: @A123

  71. @Matra
    @German_reader

    I can't recall the details but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth, recently suggested that once the war is over Ukraine should consider ditching Cyrillic script for Latin. He cited Ataturk getting rid of Arabic script as an example to follow. I know most Ukrainians embrace a Western identity these days but I'd be surprised if Ukrainian language speakers were willing to go that far but who knows. Maybe AP would have insight on such a possibility.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP, @LatW

    A minority of Ukrainians say the same, but it is very much a minority. Much more popular is the wish to change the Church calendars over to the Western one so that holidays are celebrated at the same time. I think a lot of churches have already made that change.

  72. @German_reader
    @Matra


    but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth
     
    I suppose that's the charming fellow with John McCain on the top of his Twitter profile?
    Anyway, supposedly the head of Ukraine's national security council has said the Russian language should disappear from Ukrainian territory (can't evaluate it for myself, since I understand neither Russian nor Ukrainian):

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1583322279362318336
    It's crazy that Western Europeans are expected to uncritically support such an agenda, while their own nations are being dismantled, and getting nothing but insults and continually escalating demands from the "based" Easterners.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Wokechoke

    You’ve got to admit that the imagery is wonderful. Reminds me of the stuff Karlin used to paste here to great aplomb:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfqtSuRXEAIf6hq?format=jpg&name=large

    Remember, the good old days?:

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Reminds me of the stuff Karlin used to paste here to great aplomb:
     
    I thought back then it was delusional megalomania, and it looks even dumber now.
    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlYPGjXy_LA

  73. @German_reader
    @Matra


    but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth
     
    I suppose that's the charming fellow with John McCain on the top of his Twitter profile?
    Anyway, supposedly the head of Ukraine's national security council has said the Russian language should disappear from Ukrainian territory (can't evaluate it for myself, since I understand neither Russian nor Ukrainian):

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1583322279362318336
    It's crazy that Western Europeans are expected to uncritically support such an agenda, while their own nations are being dismantled, and getting nothing but insults and continually escalating demands from the "based" Easterners.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Wokechoke

    A lot of Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine. They tell themselves they themselves will stop speaking Russian, but slip and revert to Russian (like a broken New Year’s resolution). But they want to make sure their kids, unlike them, will not be Russian speakers. They want that language to disappear from Ukraine eventually.

    It’s a rather predictable backlash to Putin invading and killing people (mostly Russian-speakers!) in order to preserve the Russian language.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine. They tell themselves they themselves will stop speaking Russian...they want that language to disappear from Ukraine eventually.
     
    That's is counter-intuitive and unnatural. If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there. I do all the time, and we talk - always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine - and they have never expressed that sentiment. You are politicizing people's identity - imagine similar stuff about any other country-language. Your anger (maybe outright hatred) is getting better of you.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don't happen and because the Russians in Ukraine are not who you claim they are based on some sporadic interactions with your cousins - who are more likely to leave and end up shifting to English.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    , @German_reader
    @AP


    A lot of Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine.
     
    "A lot" doesn't mean all, and there's a difference between people doing it on their own accord and a high official implying it should be a kind of political programme. It's also incompatible with Ukraine's alleged European aspirations, but since the EU will probably founder on this crisis, I suppose that's not going to matter anyway.

    Replies: @AP

  74. @German_reader
    @Matra


    but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth
     
    I suppose that's the charming fellow with John McCain on the top of his Twitter profile?
    Anyway, supposedly the head of Ukraine's national security council has said the Russian language should disappear from Ukrainian territory (can't evaluate it for myself, since I understand neither Russian nor Ukrainian):

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1583322279362318336
    It's crazy that Western Europeans are expected to uncritically support such an agenda, while their own nations are being dismantled, and getting nothing but insults and continually escalating demands from the "based" Easterners.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Wokechoke

    A Jewish head of state in Europe is an evil thing. End of story. I know you are not allowed to say such things in Germany but the evidence is in.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke

    Zemmour in France, eliminating MENA origin migration, would have been a glorious thing.

    The problem with Zelensky is not his parentage. It his allegiance to the European WEF. Indigenous Palestinian Jews (such as Likud members) are very annoyed at Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Yevardian

  75. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Is your pro-Ukrainian activism not enough, do you also have to be the worst kind of self-satisfied boomer? Seriously, going on about "careers" in fast food restaurants while completely ignoring songbird's point about the escalating diversity regime, that's really a bit much.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    Who say’s Hack isn’t a you know what…

  76. @AP
    @German_reader

    A lot of Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine. They tell themselves they themselves will stop speaking Russian, but slip and revert to Russian (like a broken New Year's resolution). But they want to make sure their kids, unlike them, will not be Russian speakers. They want that language to disappear from Ukraine eventually.

    It's a rather predictable backlash to Putin invading and killing people (mostly Russian-speakers!) in order to preserve the Russian language.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine. They tell themselves they themselves will stop speaking Russian…they want that language to disappear from Ukraine eventually.

    That’s is counter-intuitive and unnatural. If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there. I do all the time, and we talk – always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine – and they have never expressed that sentiment. You are politicizing people’s identity – imagine similar stuff about any other country-language. Your anger (maybe outright hatred) is getting better of you.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don’t happen and because the Russians in Ukraine are not who you claim they are based on some sporadic interactions with your cousins – who are more likely to leave and end up shifting to English.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Vyacheslav Boguslayev, CEO of Motor Sich. Arrested by the Jew of Kiev and the SBU. Motor Sich sold arms to Russia. wow! Life sentence.


    It's never good to make a Jew the actual head of state. It cannot be a good thing. Actual people who are invested there and run useful businesses are getting torched left right and center by these jumped up yids and their henchmen.


    I guess Ukraine expects all the gear will now come from the US and UK.

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    That’s is counter-intuitive and unnatural.
     
    Nonsense. If Gaelic weren't so hard probably a lot of English-speaking Irish people in a conflict zone like Northern Ireland would try to do the same. But these Russian-speakers already can speak and understand Ukrainian, they just use Russian more often because it is easier for them.

    If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there
     
    I literally know such people who are in Ukraine. And some friends from Moscow have Ukrainian relatives like that, the Muscovites are amazed when they talk about it. Almost all Ukrainians are bilingual, the Russians-speakers are simply those for whom Russian comes a little easier. Many of them are deciding they will now, as a principle, try to get used to speaking Ukrainian only. I don't pretend to know what percentage of Russian-speakers in Ukraine think like this, but it must be a significant one because I've seen the sentiment expressed by various people in Ukraine who are not related to each other.

    I do all the time, and we talk – always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine –
     
    Would you be capable of speaking Ukrainian with them? Is their English better than their Russian? Otherwise, what other language would they speak with you?

    and they have never expressed that sentiment.
     
    Well, either it has not come up, or your well-established reputation for dishonesty is at work again.

    You should ask what they think of it, not that I would expect an honest report back from you. Though if they left early in the war and haven't been bombed they might not be as zealous as those in Ukraine.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don’t happen
     
    The Russian-speakers of Lviv mostly abandoned that language already. Even the ethnic Russian minority in that city is mostly Ukrainian-speaking now, at least the ones who grew up after independence (people under 35). Kiev has seen a slow increase in Ukrainian before the Russian invasion. This will now accelerate.

    In Ukraine's case it is mostly ethnic Ukrainian Russian-speakers deciding that they will quit that language. It is too early to tell if they stick to it, or course. They might backtrack if the war ends and emotions settle down (how many people promise to go to the gym at New Year's but slack of after a few months?). But policies can stay longer. They might get rid of the Russian primary schools too (why not? Russians pretend such schools don't exist anyways when they lie that Ukraine has no Russian schools), take Russian off the airwaves.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Beckow

  77. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader

    A lot of Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine. They tell themselves they themselves will stop speaking Russian, but slip and revert to Russian (like a broken New Year's resolution). But they want to make sure their kids, unlike them, will not be Russian speakers. They want that language to disappear from Ukraine eventually.

    It's a rather predictable backlash to Putin invading and killing people (mostly Russian-speakers!) in order to preserve the Russian language.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    A lot of Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine.

    “A lot” doesn’t mean all, and there’s a difference between people doing it on their own accord and a high official implying it should be a kind of political programme. It’s also incompatible with Ukraine’s alleged European aspirations, but since the EU will probably founder on this crisis, I suppose that’s not going to matter anyway.

    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader


    “A lot” doesn’t mean all, and there’s a difference between people doing it on their own accord and a high official implying it should be a kind of political programme
     
    If enough voters demand it, it will happen.

    . It’s also incompatible with Ukraine’s alleged European aspirations, but since the EU will probably founder on this crisis
     
    As I've explained to Beckow in earlier discussions, both France and the Baltics have such policies. In Ukraine's case it would be both anti-colonial which the Left wouldn't object to, and nationalist/nativist which the Right wouldn't object to.

    Replies: @LatW

  78. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    You've got to admit that the imagery is wonderful. Reminds me of the stuff Karlin used to paste here to great aplomb:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfqtSuRXEAIf6hq?format=jpg&name=large

    Remember, the good old days?:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/na-korable-polden.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikhail

    Reminds me of the stuff Karlin used to paste here to great aplomb:

    I thought back then it was delusional megalomania, and it looks even dumber now.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  79. @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    A Jewish head of state in Europe is an evil thing. End of story. I know you are not allowed to say such things in Germany but the evidence is in.

    Replies: @A123

    Zemmour in France, eliminating MENA origin migration, would have been a glorious thing.

    The problem with Zelensky is not his parentage. It his allegiance to the European WEF. Indigenous Palestinian Jews (such as Likud members) are very annoyed at Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Zemmour would have trigger "Fall Gelb" again somehow. Just like that heeb, French President Leon Blum ultimately did.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on_Blum

    , @Yevardian
    @A123

    Zemmour is an Algerian Jew you cretin.

    Replies: @A123

  80. @Beckow
    @AP


    Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine. They tell themselves they themselves will stop speaking Russian...they want that language to disappear from Ukraine eventually.
     
    That's is counter-intuitive and unnatural. If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there. I do all the time, and we talk - always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine - and they have never expressed that sentiment. You are politicizing people's identity - imagine similar stuff about any other country-language. Your anger (maybe outright hatred) is getting better of you.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don't happen and because the Russians in Ukraine are not who you claim they are based on some sporadic interactions with your cousins - who are more likely to leave and end up shifting to English.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    Vyacheslav Boguslayev, CEO of Motor Sich. Arrested by the Jew of Kiev and the SBU. Motor Sich sold arms to Russia. wow! Life sentence.

    It’s never good to make a Jew the actual head of state. It cannot be a good thing. Actual people who are invested there and run useful businesses are getting torched left right and center by these jumped up yids and their henchmen.

    I guess Ukraine expects all the gear will now come from the US and UK.

  81. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    the young pay the cost of DIE the most, and don’t get hired or promoted.
     
    Did you mean :the young pay the cost and DIE the most, and don't get hired or promoted
     Still plenty of "help wanted" signs in my neck of the woods. McDonalds and Burger King start at no les than $15 an hour. That means that a young couple could make possibly $62,400/year. No reason to go off of the deep end and end it all by overdosing on opioids...

    https://www.syracuse.com/resizer/tlZI9-qS6Nvxt6F6U6Elqo7h1AQ=/800x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/C7VQMZZCWJGIVIC4AQ6BTUIMCI.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    Haha. Very amusing – you sound like a Sackler exec.

    BTW, which national TV network’s evening news broadcast do you tune into daily at 6:30 PM (or Mountain Time equivalent?)

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    "Sackler exec"? "a you know what"? I must be the ghost of the chameleon man? :-)

    If I do watch the evening news, it's the ABC version with host David Muir (he's the one that my roommate likes to watch). Otherwise, I prefer getting my news here at UNZ Review, second hand. :-)

  82. @Beckow
    @AP


    Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine. They tell themselves they themselves will stop speaking Russian...they want that language to disappear from Ukraine eventually.
     
    That's is counter-intuitive and unnatural. If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there. I do all the time, and we talk - always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine - and they have never expressed that sentiment. You are politicizing people's identity - imagine similar stuff about any other country-language. Your anger (maybe outright hatred) is getting better of you.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don't happen and because the Russians in Ukraine are not who you claim they are based on some sporadic interactions with your cousins - who are more likely to leave and end up shifting to English.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    That’s is counter-intuitive and unnatural.

    Nonsense. If Gaelic weren’t so hard probably a lot of English-speaking Irish people in a conflict zone like Northern Ireland would try to do the same. But these Russian-speakers already can speak and understand Ukrainian, they just use Russian more often because it is easier for them.

    If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there

    I literally know such people who are in Ukraine. And some friends from Moscow have Ukrainian relatives like that, the Muscovites are amazed when they talk about it. Almost all Ukrainians are bilingual, the Russians-speakers are simply those for whom Russian comes a little easier. Many of them are deciding they will now, as a principle, try to get used to speaking Ukrainian only. I don’t pretend to know what percentage of Russian-speakers in Ukraine think like this, but it must be a significant one because I’ve seen the sentiment expressed by various people in Ukraine who are not related to each other.

    I do all the time, and we talk – always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine –

    Would you be capable of speaking Ukrainian with them? Is their English better than their Russian? Otherwise, what other language would they speak with you?

    and they have never expressed that sentiment.

    Well, either it has not come up, or your well-established reputation for dishonesty is at work again.

    You should ask what they think of it, not that I would expect an honest report back from you. Though if they left early in the war and haven’t been bombed they might not be as zealous as those in Ukraine.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don’t happen

    The Russian-speakers of Lviv mostly abandoned that language already. Even the ethnic Russian minority in that city is mostly Ukrainian-speaking now, at least the ones who grew up after independence (people under 35). Kiev has seen a slow increase in Ukrainian before the Russian invasion. This will now accelerate.

    In Ukraine’s case it is mostly ethnic Ukrainian Russian-speakers deciding that they will quit that language. It is too early to tell if they stick to it, or course. They might backtrack if the war ends and emotions settle down (how many people promise to go to the gym at New Year’s but slack of after a few months?). But policies can stay longer. They might get rid of the Russian primary schools too (why not? Russians pretend such schools don’t exist anyways when they lie that Ukraine has no Russian schools), take Russian off the airwaves.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I watch a lot of the Ukrainian news sources now presented through YouTube. I'm really amazed at how many English language words have recently permeated the Ukrainian language. The one that real irks me lately is "фиксуємо" (to fix something) where the perfectly sturdy and long used "направимо" is more than sufficient.

    , @A123
    @AP

    Almost everyone in Ireland speaks English. It is the necessary language for business-to-business commerce.

     
    https://thelanguagenerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/English_speakers_Europe.png
     

    Trying to compare "Ireland / Northern Ireland" to Ukraine is not productive. Anyone who wants to use Irish Gaelic as a social language in NI is free to do so.
    ____

    There is a much better parallel to the terrorist truck bombing of Ukie-stan extremists.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    Your 'analysis' is roughly on a level of a 12-year old, a total disconnect from reality. I and others explained to you why Russians in Ukraine without Russian language will not happen - and should not. Check out the current EU rules on minorities and not the quasi-fascist Balts or France from 3 generations ago.

    But you don't respond rationally. Instead you are back to your screaming baby fit: "lies!" If you cannot even understand basic verbal categories, e.g. opinions and projections of what may happen cannot by "lies!", what are you doing on this forum?

    I wish you luck, but you are way over you head. Maybe the poor education caught up with you - or possibly you don't understand critical thinking.

    Replies: @AP

  83. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Haha. Very amusing - you sound like a Sackler exec.

    BTW, which national TV network's evening news broadcast do you tune into daily at 6:30 PM (or Mountain Time equivalent?)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “Sackler exec”? “a you know what”? I must be the ghost of the chameleon man? 🙂

    If I do watch the evening news, it’s the ABC version with host David Muir (he’s the one that my roommate likes to watch). Otherwise, I prefer getting my news here at UNZ Review, second hand. 🙂

  84. @AP
    @Beckow


    That’s is counter-intuitive and unnatural.
     
    Nonsense. If Gaelic weren't so hard probably a lot of English-speaking Irish people in a conflict zone like Northern Ireland would try to do the same. But these Russian-speakers already can speak and understand Ukrainian, they just use Russian more often because it is easier for them.

    If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there
     
    I literally know such people who are in Ukraine. And some friends from Moscow have Ukrainian relatives like that, the Muscovites are amazed when they talk about it. Almost all Ukrainians are bilingual, the Russians-speakers are simply those for whom Russian comes a little easier. Many of them are deciding they will now, as a principle, try to get used to speaking Ukrainian only. I don't pretend to know what percentage of Russian-speakers in Ukraine think like this, but it must be a significant one because I've seen the sentiment expressed by various people in Ukraine who are not related to each other.

    I do all the time, and we talk – always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine –
     
    Would you be capable of speaking Ukrainian with them? Is their English better than their Russian? Otherwise, what other language would they speak with you?

    and they have never expressed that sentiment.
     
    Well, either it has not come up, or your well-established reputation for dishonesty is at work again.

    You should ask what they think of it, not that I would expect an honest report back from you. Though if they left early in the war and haven't been bombed they might not be as zealous as those in Ukraine.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don’t happen
     
    The Russian-speakers of Lviv mostly abandoned that language already. Even the ethnic Russian minority in that city is mostly Ukrainian-speaking now, at least the ones who grew up after independence (people under 35). Kiev has seen a slow increase in Ukrainian before the Russian invasion. This will now accelerate.

    In Ukraine's case it is mostly ethnic Ukrainian Russian-speakers deciding that they will quit that language. It is too early to tell if they stick to it, or course. They might backtrack if the war ends and emotions settle down (how many people promise to go to the gym at New Year's but slack of after a few months?). But policies can stay longer. They might get rid of the Russian primary schools too (why not? Russians pretend such schools don't exist anyways when they lie that Ukraine has no Russian schools), take Russian off the airwaves.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Beckow

    I watch a lot of the Ukrainian news sources now presented through YouTube. I’m really amazed at how many English language words have recently permeated the Ukrainian language. The one that real irks me lately is “фиксуємо” (to fix something) where the perfectly sturdy and long used “направимо” is more than sufficient.

  85. @Matra
    The Visegrad crew now advocating Islamic terrorism. I'm noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland. Germans with any self-respect - assuming there are some left - must be looking at the reaction to Nord Stream from Poland & the Baltics along with the WW2 grifting and drawing conclusions about their 'allies'. Hungary is still fine but no reason left to care anymore about Poles and Baltoids. They have too much undigested history, too big a chip on their shoulders, and too selfish & pig-headed in general.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status - in Canada whether students or special circumstances like this war there is almost no such thing as temporary status, permanent status will follow. Over 312k have already been accepted. Given Canada's family unification policies and lack of clarity regarding how many of these applications do not include dependent relatives & soldiers left behind its possible that something like 2-3%, maybe more if the war drags on, of Ukraine's entire pre-war population could end up in Canada. A lot of these will be young people. Even with a Ukrainian victory, however that is defined, the future of Ukraine doesn't look good.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @AP, @S

    More destruction of identity, ie Russian, Ukrainian, Canadian, and various European states, for now, along with (just getting started) depopulation…just as the behind the scenes instigators of this developing world war have wanted from the start.

    The other two world wars had not dissimilar objectives in regards to identity destruction.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  86. @German_reader
    @AP


    A lot of Russian-speakers from Ukraine want Russian to be gone from Ukraine.
     
    "A lot" doesn't mean all, and there's a difference between people doing it on their own accord and a high official implying it should be a kind of political programme. It's also incompatible with Ukraine's alleged European aspirations, but since the EU will probably founder on this crisis, I suppose that's not going to matter anyway.

    Replies: @AP

    “A lot” doesn’t mean all, and there’s a difference between people doing it on their own accord and a high official implying it should be a kind of political programme

    If enough voters demand it, it will happen.

    . It’s also incompatible with Ukraine’s alleged European aspirations, but since the EU will probably founder on this crisis

    As I’ve explained to Beckow in earlier discussions, both France and the Baltics have such policies. In Ukraine’s case it would be both anti-colonial which the Left wouldn’t object to, and nationalist/nativist which the Right wouldn’t object to.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP

    We might want to think about how Russian will be used for diplomatic purposes. There will be a need to communicate with everyone, not just Russians (but also Kazakhs, Caucasians, diaspora Russophones, etc).

    To all who used to call Ukraine fake and gay - why do you care about language when those who supported this invasion (or did not oppose it properly) kept saying that "they are one people"? If they are one people, then who cares if they speak Ukrainian or Russian - it is, after all, one language, according to them.

    Don't dig a grave for another, you might yourself fall in it, as the saying goes.

  87. @A123
    @Wokechoke

    Zemmour in France, eliminating MENA origin migration, would have been a glorious thing.

    The problem with Zelensky is not his parentage. It his allegiance to the European WEF. Indigenous Palestinian Jews (such as Likud members) are very annoyed at Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Yevardian

    Zemmour would have trigger “Fall Gelb” again somehow. Just like that heeb, French President Leon Blum ultimately did.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on_Blum

  88. @AP
    @Beckow


    That’s is counter-intuitive and unnatural.
     
    Nonsense. If Gaelic weren't so hard probably a lot of English-speaking Irish people in a conflict zone like Northern Ireland would try to do the same. But these Russian-speakers already can speak and understand Ukrainian, they just use Russian more often because it is easier for them.

    If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there
     
    I literally know such people who are in Ukraine. And some friends from Moscow have Ukrainian relatives like that, the Muscovites are amazed when they talk about it. Almost all Ukrainians are bilingual, the Russians-speakers are simply those for whom Russian comes a little easier. Many of them are deciding they will now, as a principle, try to get used to speaking Ukrainian only. I don't pretend to know what percentage of Russian-speakers in Ukraine think like this, but it must be a significant one because I've seen the sentiment expressed by various people in Ukraine who are not related to each other.

    I do all the time, and we talk – always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine –
     
    Would you be capable of speaking Ukrainian with them? Is their English better than their Russian? Otherwise, what other language would they speak with you?

    and they have never expressed that sentiment.
     
    Well, either it has not come up, or your well-established reputation for dishonesty is at work again.

    You should ask what they think of it, not that I would expect an honest report back from you. Though if they left early in the war and haven't been bombed they might not be as zealous as those in Ukraine.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don’t happen
     
    The Russian-speakers of Lviv mostly abandoned that language already. Even the ethnic Russian minority in that city is mostly Ukrainian-speaking now, at least the ones who grew up after independence (people under 35). Kiev has seen a slow increase in Ukrainian before the Russian invasion. This will now accelerate.

    In Ukraine's case it is mostly ethnic Ukrainian Russian-speakers deciding that they will quit that language. It is too early to tell if they stick to it, or course. They might backtrack if the war ends and emotions settle down (how many people promise to go to the gym at New Year's but slack of after a few months?). But policies can stay longer. They might get rid of the Russian primary schools too (why not? Russians pretend such schools don't exist anyways when they lie that Ukraine has no Russian schools), take Russian off the airwaves.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Beckow

    Almost everyone in Ireland speaks English. It is the necessary language for business-to-business commerce.

     

     

    Trying to compare “Ireland / Northern Ireland” to Ukraine is not productive. Anyone who wants to use Irish Gaelic as a social language in NI is free to do so.
    ____

    There is a much better parallel to the terrorist truck bombing of Ukie-stan extremists.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Wonder how many here realize that the official language of South Sudan is English (believe meaning all school instruction there is in English, as of 2007 or so.)

    Did not know it myself until I watched the first episode of YouTuber Indigo Traveller's new series on the country.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

  89. @Matra
    @German_reader

    I can't recall the details but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth, recently suggested that once the war is over Ukraine should consider ditching Cyrillic script for Latin. He cited Ataturk getting rid of Arabic script as an example to follow. I know most Ukrainians embrace a Western identity these days but I'd be surprised if Ukrainian language speakers were willing to go that far but who knows. Maybe AP would have insight on such a possibility.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP, @LatW

    I can’t recall the details but the former Estonian President, who is one of the most obnoxious former leaders on earth, recently suggested that once the war is over Ukraine should consider ditching Cyrillic script for Latin.

    That’s not for him to meddle with (if he really said that), so he should stay quiet about it.

  90. @Pixo
    @Mikhail

    That’s a good and balanced article.

    Russia has already been defeated, its reputation, influence in the West, economy and military have been permanently damaged.

    As much as I am on the side of Ukraine, it isn’t comfortable to be on the same side as the MIC Russia-haters.

    Now seems a good time for us to be a gracious winner and negotiate something reasonable.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    Now seems a good time for us to be a gracious winner and negotiate something reasonable.

    Those who are doing the actual physical fighting will be doing the negotiating. Those who helped can have a say but only with close alignment with the one who’s doing the fighting and dying.

    And that includes the Russian Volunteer Corps and the Legion Freedom of Russia.

  91. Think it was S who mentioned “Deliverance” in the last thread.

    Haven’t seen it or read the book. Nor would I want to, but what I think is noteworthy about it: the author was born and bred in Georgia (novel takes place in rural Georgia) – but in Atlanta.

    [MORE]

    Just like Margaret Mitchell who wrote “Gone with the Wind.”

    So, it seems to me that, at some time, between her novel and his, these regional rivalries were consolidated or co-opted into a nationwide urban vs. rural dynamic.

    Also, he was the US Poet Laureate before he wrote the novel (his first, so he was groomed by the elites), and, after he wrote it, he was given some then new-fangled award called the “Order of the South” (which I am sure was designed for poz)

  92. @AP
    @German_reader


    “A lot” doesn’t mean all, and there’s a difference between people doing it on their own accord and a high official implying it should be a kind of political programme
     
    If enough voters demand it, it will happen.

    . It’s also incompatible with Ukraine’s alleged European aspirations, but since the EU will probably founder on this crisis
     
    As I've explained to Beckow in earlier discussions, both France and the Baltics have such policies. In Ukraine's case it would be both anti-colonial which the Left wouldn't object to, and nationalist/nativist which the Right wouldn't object to.

    Replies: @LatW

    We might want to think about how Russian will be used for diplomatic purposes. There will be a need to communicate with everyone, not just Russians (but also Kazakhs, Caucasians, diaspora Russophones, etc).

    To all who used to call Ukraine fake and gay – why do you care about language when those who supported this invasion (or did not oppose it properly) kept saying that “they are one people”? If they are one people, then who cares if they speak Ukrainian or Russian – it is, after all, one language, according to them.

    Don’t dig a grave for another, you might yourself fall in it, as the saying goes.

  93. @A123
    @Wokechoke

    Zemmour in France, eliminating MENA origin migration, would have been a glorious thing.

    The problem with Zelensky is not his parentage. It his allegiance to the European WEF. Indigenous Palestinian Jews (such as Likud members) are very annoyed at Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Yevardian

    Zemmour is an Algerian Jew you cretin.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yevardian

    Zemmour wanted to deal with Muslim immigration you pathetic troll.

    Why do violent Jihadists, such as yourself, always try to draw attention away the TRUTH? (1)


    French officials want to sweep the shocking murder of 12-year-old Lola under the rug to hide their own failed migration policy, said Marion Maréchal, vice-president of France’s right-wing Reconquest party, during an interview on BFMTV. She said that despite so many deaths at the hands of migrants in France, the country’s political class is still attempting to stifle any dissent on the topic.

    “I think that beyond the case in question, the death of Lola is our collective responsibility. This isn’t a random event, nor is it just an isolated case. It is a social phenomenon that is threatening us all. I will be a bit direct, but how many liters of blood will it take to have the right to speak? (…) Lola is not an isolated case,” said Maréchal.

    ...

    The brutal rape and murder of the French schoolgirl Lola — by an illegal Algerian migrant who was supposed to have already been deported — has led to an explosion in debate about the devastating impact of mass migration on French society and the country’s security. Critics of French President Emmanuel Macron are accusing his left-liberal government of being largely responsible for the young girl’s death.
     
    Zemmour would defend French children from SJW Islamic sexually deviance. He would want all of them sent home before more 12 year olds die in the name of your Muhammad, the Blood Prophet.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/france/how-many-liters-of-blood-will-it-take-to-have-the-right-to-speak-french-politician-says-the-murder-of-12-year-old-lola-is-being-swept-under-the-rug/

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  94. @A123
    @AP

    Almost everyone in Ireland speaks English. It is the necessary language for business-to-business commerce.

     
    https://thelanguagenerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/English_speakers_Europe.png
     

    Trying to compare "Ireland / Northern Ireland" to Ukraine is not productive. Anyone who wants to use Irish Gaelic as a social language in NI is free to do so.
    ____

    There is a much better parallel to the terrorist truck bombing of Ukie-stan extremists.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Wonder how many here realize that the official language of South Sudan is English (believe meaning all school instruction there is in English, as of 2007 or so.)

    Did not know it myself until I watched the first episode of YouTuber Indigo Traveller’s new series on the country.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    The wikipedia page on religion in South Sudan is confusing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Religion
    Doesn't sound like any reliable data is available.
    They've also applied to join the Commonwealth. A new source of strength for Global Britain.

    Replies: @songbird, @A123

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    They want to be Hollywood movie stars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6-fSbcFGcs

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/General_Gordon%27s_Last_Stand.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  95. @Yevardian
    @A123

    Zemmour is an Algerian Jew you cretin.

    Replies: @A123

    Zemmour wanted to deal with Muslim immigration you pathetic troll.

    Why do violent Jihadists, such as yourself, always try to draw attention away the TRUTH? (1)

    French officials want to sweep the shocking murder of 12-year-old Lola under the rug to hide their own failed migration policy, said Marion Maréchal, vice-president of France’s right-wing Reconquest party, during an interview on BFMTV. She said that despite so many deaths at the hands of migrants in France, the country’s political class is still attempting to stifle any dissent on the topic.

    “I think that beyond the case in question, the death of Lola is our collective responsibility. This isn’t a random event, nor is it just an isolated case. It is a social phenomenon that is threatening us all. I will be a bit direct, but how many liters of blood will it take to have the right to speak? (…) Lola is not an isolated case,” said Maréchal.

    The brutal rape and murder of the French schoolgirl Lola — by an illegal Algerian migrant who was supposed to have already been deported — has led to an explosion in debate about the devastating impact of mass migration on French society and the country’s security. Critics of French President Emmanuel Macron are accusing his left-liberal government of being largely responsible for the young girl’s death.

    Zemmour would defend French children from SJW Islamic sexually deviance. He would want all of them sent home before more 12 year olds die in the name of your Muhammad, the Blood Prophet.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/france/how-many-liters-of-blood-will-it-take-to-have-the-right-to-speak-french-politician-says-the-murder-of-12-year-old-lola-is-being-swept-under-the-rug/

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    He'd have done nothing.

    Replies: @A123

  96. @A123
    @Yevardian

    Zemmour wanted to deal with Muslim immigration you pathetic troll.

    Why do violent Jihadists, such as yourself, always try to draw attention away the TRUTH? (1)


    French officials want to sweep the shocking murder of 12-year-old Lola under the rug to hide their own failed migration policy, said Marion Maréchal, vice-president of France’s right-wing Reconquest party, during an interview on BFMTV. She said that despite so many deaths at the hands of migrants in France, the country’s political class is still attempting to stifle any dissent on the topic.

    “I think that beyond the case in question, the death of Lola is our collective responsibility. This isn’t a random event, nor is it just an isolated case. It is a social phenomenon that is threatening us all. I will be a bit direct, but how many liters of blood will it take to have the right to speak? (…) Lola is not an isolated case,” said Maréchal.

    ...

    The brutal rape and murder of the French schoolgirl Lola — by an illegal Algerian migrant who was supposed to have already been deported — has led to an explosion in debate about the devastating impact of mass migration on French society and the country’s security. Critics of French President Emmanuel Macron are accusing his left-liberal government of being largely responsible for the young girl’s death.
     
    Zemmour would defend French children from SJW Islamic sexually deviance. He would want all of them sent home before more 12 year olds die in the name of your Muhammad, the Blood Prophet.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/france/how-many-liters-of-blood-will-it-take-to-have-the-right-to-speak-french-politician-says-the-murder-of-12-year-old-lola-is-being-swept-under-the-rug/

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    He’d have done nothing.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    WC: A Jewish head of state in Europe is an evil thing. End of story. I know you are not allowed to say such things in Germany but the evidence is in

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5617740

     


    Zemmour wanted to deal with Muslim immigration
     
    WC: He’d have done nothing.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5617985

     

    So "Joooozzzzz" have no power? Zemmour could not have done anything? That seems weak (not evil).

    There seems to be an inconsistency with your logic surrounding the "Joooozzzzz".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  97. @songbird
    @A123

    Wonder how many here realize that the official language of South Sudan is English (believe meaning all school instruction there is in English, as of 2007 or so.)

    Did not know it myself until I watched the first episode of YouTuber Indigo Traveller's new series on the country.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The wikipedia page on religion in South Sudan is confusing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Religion
    Doesn’t sound like any reliable data is available.
    They’ve also applied to join the Commonwealth. A new source of strength for Global Britain.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Censuses are political dynamite in Africa.

    Didn't realize it, until I read "The Africans" by David Lamb. Thought it was just a state capacity issue. (Which would be embarrassing, as the US had a census in 1790) Though, partly it is a technical issue - it is an impossible challenge to get around different tribes fudging their own numbers for political gains. Harder still to prevent them from warring when the new numbers are released.

    IMO, this is why the theory that they'll stop taking censuses in the UK soon is very believable.

    I can see some of it myself, when accidentally seeing adverts for the US census. It is an obvious tool for promoting wealth and power transfer. The advertisements are pretty naked about it.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @A123
    @German_reader

    I believe this is what you are looking for.


    Religions
    Christian 60.5%, folk religion 32.9%, Muslim 6.2%, other <1%, unaffiliated <1% (2020 est.)

    https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/south-sudan/#people-and-society
     
    South Sudan (Christian) separated from Sudan (Muslim). In short form, the oil is under Christian land, yet the Muslim population was reaping near 100% of the benefit. The breakup in 2011 was intended to cure this problem.

    English is the official language of South Sudan. Thus it predominates in schools, government, and business. However, illiteracy is quite common.

    PEACE 😇
  98. @songbird
    @A123

    Wonder how many here realize that the official language of South Sudan is English (believe meaning all school instruction there is in English, as of 2007 or so.)

    Did not know it myself until I watched the first episode of YouTuber Indigo Traveller's new series on the country.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

    They want to be Hollywood movie stars.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Chinese Heston sits at the right hand of God...while Lawrence Olivier sat at the left hand of Noel Coward.

  99. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    They want to be Hollywood movie stars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6-fSbcFGcs

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/General_Gordon%27s_Last_Stand.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Chinese Heston sits at the right hand of God…while Lawrence Olivier sat at the left hand of Noel Coward.

  100. @German_reader
    @songbird

    The wikipedia page on religion in South Sudan is confusing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Religion
    Doesn't sound like any reliable data is available.
    They've also applied to join the Commonwealth. A new source of strength for Global Britain.

    Replies: @songbird, @A123

    Censuses are political dynamite in Africa.

    Didn’t realize it, until I read “The Africans” by David Lamb. Thought it was just a state capacity issue. (Which would be embarrassing, as the US had a census in 1790) Though, partly it is a technical issue – it is an impossible challenge to get around different tribes fudging their own numbers for political gains. Harder still to prevent them from warring when the new numbers are released.

    IMO, this is why the theory that they’ll stop taking censuses in the UK soon is very believable.

    I can see some of it myself, when accidentally seeing adverts for the US census. It is an obvious tool for promoting wealth and power transfer. The advertisements are pretty naked about it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    IMO, this is why the theory that they’ll stop taking censuses in the UK soon is very believable.
     
    Isn't that what happened in Lebanon? iirc the last census there was in the 1940s, everybody knows that there have been massive demographic shifts since then, but the issue is just too politically explosive. Though I guess the political incentives in Britain might be rather different.
    There was another horror crime committed by one of Merkel's million recently btw, which I might just as well mention, if only as a change from the relentless talk about Ukraine. A Somali who came in 2015 attacked two 20- and 35-year old painters on a street in Ludwigshafen-Oggersheim and more or less butchered them with a large kitchen knife. He cut off the lower arm of one of them and threw it on the balcony of his ex-girlfriend. Then he walked to a nearby drug store and stabbed a customer (who survived) there before being shot (non-lethally) by police.
    Motive is still unclear, probably uncontrolled rage, so far it seems the victims were selected randomly. Maybe he wanted to scare his ex-girlfriend and thought he might just as well kill some pedestrians, dismember them and use their body parts as a power move. Incidentally, Oggersheim is where Helmut Kohl was from, I guess one could discern some deeper symbolism here.
    Anyway, I remember a comment by reiner tor from a few years ago where he basically wrote that he envied people living in 1957, because nowadays it seems like we're either heading towards a spectacularly stupid world war, or to a spectacularly stupid end through immigration apocalypse. Events since then certainly haven't disproven that assessment.

    Replies: @Sean

  101. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Censuses are political dynamite in Africa.

    Didn't realize it, until I read "The Africans" by David Lamb. Thought it was just a state capacity issue. (Which would be embarrassing, as the US had a census in 1790) Though, partly it is a technical issue - it is an impossible challenge to get around different tribes fudging their own numbers for political gains. Harder still to prevent them from warring when the new numbers are released.

    IMO, this is why the theory that they'll stop taking censuses in the UK soon is very believable.

    I can see some of it myself, when accidentally seeing adverts for the US census. It is an obvious tool for promoting wealth and power transfer. The advertisements are pretty naked about it.

    Replies: @German_reader

    IMO, this is why the theory that they’ll stop taking censuses in the UK soon is very believable.

    Isn’t that what happened in Lebanon? iirc the last census there was in the 1940s, everybody knows that there have been massive demographic shifts since then, but the issue is just too politically explosive. Though I guess the political incentives in Britain might be rather different.
    There was another horror crime committed by one of Merkel’s million recently btw, which I might just as well mention, if only as a change from the relentless talk about Ukraine. A Somali who came in 2015 attacked two 20- and 35-year old painters on a street in Ludwigshafen-Oggersheim and more or less butchered them with a large kitchen knife. He cut off the lower arm of one of them and threw it on the balcony of his ex-girlfriend. Then he walked to a nearby drug store and stabbed a customer (who survived) there before being shot (non-lethally) by police.
    Motive is still unclear, probably uncontrolled rage, so far it seems the victims were selected randomly. Maybe he wanted to scare his ex-girlfriend and thought he might just as well kill some pedestrians, dismember them and use their body parts as a power move. Incidentally, Oggersheim is where Helmut Kohl was from, I guess one could discern some deeper symbolism here.
    Anyway, I remember a comment by reiner tor from a few years ago where he basically wrote that he envied people living in 1957, because nowadays it seems like we’re either heading towards a spectacularly stupid world war, or to a spectacularly stupid end through immigration apocalypse. Events since then certainly haven’t disproven that assessment.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Sean
    @German_reader

    The first census in Saudi Arabia showed it had too few people for the the Kings's liking, so he ordered the population figure to be doubled before it was released. The deception has been continued. There are several million more people in Britain than its governments know or want to know.

    Britain's financial situation is actual comparatively good, the UK has a much smaller deficit and total debt that any comparable country apart from Germany. It suits Sunak to give the impression that Britain is in ongoing terrible trouble, so he goets the credit but the Truss freefall of the pound and claims that pensions would soon be worthless/ mortgages would double at the same time as heating bills would triple, but it was an artificial crisis manufactured by the Bank Of England publicly announcing hey would stop supporting the pound and even specifying the date; they did it to get rid of her black ex she put in charge of the economy, and her too.

    Once there was a new Chancellor and then PM they delayed the Budget so they would not be working with the worst case assumptions, and the markets did not utter a word of criticism; this silence showed it was a pseudo crisis.

    Long term lowering growth is a problem for the UK but a means of boosting it is always available to Britain by importing more people, which also pumps up the housing market. Those two things are all economists and the government respectively want to do-- timed so the boost comes before an election. The price of wholesale energy has fallen by a third since August so the price cap will likely not be activated. Sunak is going to to made to seem like a genius in a few months.


    It is alarming that Sunak understood that Truss's ideas simply would not fly in Britain, and many non immigrant Conservatives did not understand that. So the immigrant psychos are worse, but the immigrant elite are--sad to say--maybe better.

  102. @Wokechoke
    @Yevardian

    Ukies worship antitank guns and proffer sainthood upon them. I suspect there will be sects who bow before Drones.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mikhail

    There will be Uniate Javelinism and Orthodox Greek Bayractarites. The Green Tshirt Heretics and the
    Ecumenical Council of Nikolaev FOABites.

    , @Yevardian
    @Mikhail

    Not fundamentally different from Putin annexing in referendae several oblasts of which they don't even control half of.

    As I've been saying from the beginning of this war, Russia and Ukraine remain cultural mirror images of each other. The only difference are their respective geopolitical situations since 1991. Magically swap Ukrainians with Russians in their territories and the identical things would be happening. The fact that the fighting has almost entirely been in the ethnic Russian part of Ukraine says as much.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

  103. @Mr. Hack

    Is your pro-Ukrainian activism not enough
     
    As long as your over the top hysterics about supporting Ukraine remains at a boiling point, my Ukrainian activism will remain intact. I also graduated from college at a time of a long recession and couldn't find "meaningful" work and had to settle for restaurant type work, so my post about this topic is not devoid of sensitivity. But what can you do? Nowadays it's well known that a degree in liberal arts is not necessarily an open door to a high paying job or career. In my day, believe it or not, this wasn't the case. Nobody ever promised you that life would be a rose garden, sometimes you have to make due with what's being offered.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikhail

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  104. @Pixo
    @Mikhail

    That’s a good and balanced article.

    Russia has already been defeated, its reputation, influence in the West, economy and military have been permanently damaged.

    As much as I am on the side of Ukraine, it isn’t comfortable to be on the same side as the MIC Russia-haters.

    Now seems a good time for us to be a gracious winner and negotiate something reasonable.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail

    That’s a good and balanced article.

    Russia has already been defeated, its reputation, influence in the West, economy and military have been permanently damaged.

    As much as I am on the side of Ukraine, it isn’t comfortable to be on the same side as the MIC Russia-haters.

    Now seems a good time for us to be a gracious winner and negotiate something reasonable.

    The replies I posted to that article are good and balanced. Russia isn’t losing and will not lose.

  105. @Mikhail
    @Wokechoke

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1583812274481135617

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Yevardian

    There will be Uniate Javelinism and Orthodox Greek Bayractarites. The Green Tshirt Heretics and the
    Ecumenical Council of Nikolaev FOABites.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  106. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    You've got to admit that the imagery is wonderful. Reminds me of the stuff Karlin used to paste here to great aplomb:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfqtSuRXEAIf6hq?format=jpg&name=large

    Remember, the good old days?:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/na-korable-polden.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikhail

  107. @Barbarossa
    @sher singh



    “I don’t let any dieties control my life”
     
    Hey, I don't let any dieties control my life either, I eat whatever I please!

    Replies: @sher singh

    Wrong man to have that convo with.
    You don’t eat dogs, cats, snakes or horses.

    Your preferences are shaped by those who took your foreskin||
    Aryans have Maryada – a clear code – it’ll please you to save your life in the interest of cow protection||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @sher singh

    It was just a throw away pun you know. I couldn't resist that deities was spelled dieties.

    Hanging with too many poop stirrers and retards at the Discord seems to have made you a little uptight. It sounds like an unbelievable idiotic time over there. Thanks for reporting on it so we don't have to find out personally!


    Your preferences are shaped by those who took your foreskin

     

    Celts have been eating cattle and pork long before any circumcision. Don't worry though, I don't believe in circumcision myself anyhow and have butcher dates in the next couple of weeks for a pair of oinkers and a troublesome bull calf.

    But we've covered that ground already and will have to agree to disagree!

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  108. @Yevardian
    @sher singh

    I remember this "viper" saying that's just what to expect from the discord platform, not even a reflection on the "Kesslerisation appreciator" himself.

    Btw, I guess you heard of this, but I was rereading Herodotos a while back and noticed his description of Scythians worshipping swords. You're still a pajeet though, sir.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sher singh

    Water under the bridge, Rajputs are Huns.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchon_Huns

    You’re not Greek or Iranian & like Germans will cease to exist in a century.
    Wokechoke ignores that Weapons are worshipped in general – not as idols.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @sher singh


    You’re not Greek or Iranian
     
    ?

    & like Germans will cease to exist in a century.
     
    Germany will always be a 50x better place to live than anywhere in India whatever its future ethnic mixture is. I notice you don't live there.
    Well, there's been a successful Armenian diaspora independent of national state since Kilikian Armenia fell in 14th century. It's not as if the Singh's have country of their own, as I remember the Khalistan insurrection at the Golden Temple didn't go very well.

    Replies: @sher singh

  109. sher singh says:
    @AP
    @Matra


    I’m noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland.
     
    A combination of the phenomenon of useful-for-Russia idiots who see a savior in Putin and therefore hatred for his enemies, and resentment of peoples who are superior to them and highlight their own faults. Peoples who actually fight for their homelands rather than invite in invaders who displace them, peoples who demand money rather than give it to those who replace them in their own lands, peoples who retain a high level of physical beauty that has been fading among the Westerners, etc.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status – in Canada
     
    I'd guess most of the ones in Germany and Poland will return (my own have come back in summer to central Ukraine from the Rhineland where they went in March when Russians were threatening Kiev and Zhytomir) but most of the ones in North America will stay: it is further away and more difficult to come back. Though by no means will they all stay, many husbands and brothers have remained in Ukraine so there is a reason to return.

    Be careful, it will take longer for Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites, with all of those young Eastern Europeans refugees boosting the European population.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Dmitry

    Be careful, it will take longer for Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites, with all of those young Eastern Europeans refugees boosting the European population.

    6 lakh is about a year’s immigration. 20 Lakh with family unification is like 3..
    Ukr also suck at subtlety – their hate crimes/RW terrorism further the narrative.

    The avg White sees Ukraine getting billions while Syria or w/e gets nothing.
    They can sleep for 20 years knowing Whites matter more even as a multicultural minority.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  110. The longer the Russian invasion of Ukraine continues, the more ashamed
    I feel of being white. But then the Russians (and the Germans) have been
    an embarrassment to white people for many centuries now, mostly due
    to their tendency to hyperviolence and irrationality.

    Martin Luther invented a new religion by saying, “Sin boldly!”
    Can you imagine Jesus saying something like this? Whatever
    religion Luther invented, it wasn’t Christianity. From that point
    on, German ideologies became more and more psychotic –
    Marxism, Nietzscheanism, Nazism, Freudianism (although that’s
    mostly Jewish), as in the phrase, “Neurotics build castles in the air, and
    the psychotics move in.” More to the point, the psychotic visions
    of reality provided the Germans with a rationalization of their
    proclivity for hyperviolence. Look at the murder rates by Germans
    during 1900 – 1945. First a minor genocide in southwest Africa,
    then WW I and WW II where the murder and killing rates
    (because if you’re dead, it makes no difference to you whether
    you were killed or murdered) reached stratospheric levels.
    During 1900-45 Germany became effectively a nation of murderers.
    At the end of WW II the victors concluded that the Germans
    are too primitive to rule themselves and in due time will
    produce another Hitler. Therefore, for the sake of peace
    in Europe, Germany has been reduced to a nonentity, and
    the Germans kept on a short leash.

    Today we have a similar situation with Russia. The Russians
    are clearly too primitive to rule themselves, and have produced
    a number of tyrants – Lenin, Stalin, and now Putin. Just as in
    Germany, Christianity has had no effect on Russian behavior.
    Germans and Russians are the most anti-Christian peoples
    in Europe.Jesus said, “Love thy neighbor.” I don’t recall Him
    ever saying, “Invade thy neighbor.” Hence for the sake of peace
    in Europe, it appears that the rational course of action is to
    reduce Russia to a nonentity (through attrition?) or a local
    power, and to keep Russians on a short leash.Of course, easier
    said than done. Russia is a little bigger than Germany. But at
    the very least, no alliance between Germany and Russia should
    be allowed to take place, which has indeed been standard
    American and British policy for decades.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Troll: Yevardian
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anon 2

    I've heard from reliable sources that soon there'll be a settlement of the heirless property issue which will involve much of Warsaw's housing stock being given to Jewish organizations. The NYC-based company which will administer it apparently already has plans for massive increases in rent and for building several mega-brothels which will cater to Israeli tourists.
    There are also plans for making Ukrainian an official language in Poland that has equal status with Polish. School curricula will be adapted to focus on the dark legacy of Polish colonialism and on Bandera's fight for freedom (to be celebrated by regular marches involving brandishing of farm utensils).

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

  111. @Mikhail
    @Wokechoke

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1583812274481135617

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Yevardian

    Not fundamentally different from Putin annexing in referendae several oblasts of which they don’t even control half of.

    As I’ve been saying from the beginning of this war, Russia and Ukraine remain cultural mirror images of each other. The only difference are their respective geopolitical situations since 1991. Magically swap Ukrainians with Russians in their territories and the identical things would be happening. The fact that the fighting has almost entirely been in the ethnic Russian part of Ukraine says as much.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yevardian


    The fact that the fighting has almost entirely been in the ethnic Russian part of Ukraine says as much.
     
    And the fact that Putler has decided to go full psycho in Eastern Ukraine and bomb civilian enclaves because his regular armed forces are doing such a lousy job there, will ultimately severe any real comradery between Russified Ukrainians and Russians. In some really concrete ways, old Putler has managed to quickly coalesce strong feelings of oneness and nationality amongst all Ukrainians, east - west, north - south.
    , @Mikhail
    @Yevardian

    Some similarity. The Russian side is nonetheless the one with a more reality based claim that includes not seeking cancel culture stances much unlike the Kiev regime.

    Awhile back, I recall someone saying that Ukraine in actuality is a more extreme version of how Russia is negatively portrayed.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  112. @sher singh
    @Yevardian

    Water under the bridge, Rajputs are Huns.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchon_Huns

    You're not Greek or Iranian & like Germans will cease to exist in a century.
    Wokechoke ignores that Weapons are worshipped in general - not as idols.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Yevardian

    You’re not Greek or Iranian

    ?

    & like Germans will cease to exist in a century.

    Germany will always be a 50x better place to live than anywhere in India whatever its future ethnic mixture is. I notice you don’t live there.
    Well, there’s been a successful Armenian diaspora independent of national state since Kilikian Armenia fell in 14th century. It’s not as if the Singh’s have country of their own, as I remember the Khalistan insurrection at the Golden Temple didn’t go very well.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Yevardian

    You’re not Greek or Iranian - you're random mountain residue betwixt Empires.
    Khalistan insurrection at the Golden Temple didn’t go well. - A Company of Singhs killed a Btn of Infantry.

    There was also the siege of Delhi last year - talking is all Armenians can do.

    I notice you don’t live there. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandpur_Sahib

    You have an Anglo surname & are unarmed - on top of that you're a christcuck.
    A living meme up till the white man your sister married, go rope.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  113. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    He'd have done nothing.

    Replies: @A123

    WC: A Jewish head of state in Europe is an evil thing. End of story. I know you are not allowed to say such things in Germany but the evidence is in

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5617740

    Zemmour wanted to deal with Muslim immigration

    WC: He’d have done nothing.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5617985

    So “Joooozzzzz” have no power? Zemmour could not have done anything? That seems weak (not evil).

    There seems to be an inconsistency with your logic surrounding the “Joooozzzzz”.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Why would he block Arab migration to France? Even if he said wished to stop it, he was only pulling the Gallic Leg.

    Replies: @A123

  114. @German_reader
    @songbird

    The wikipedia page on religion in South Sudan is confusing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Religion
    Doesn't sound like any reliable data is available.
    They've also applied to join the Commonwealth. A new source of strength for Global Britain.

    Replies: @songbird, @A123

    I believe this is what you are looking for.

    Religions
    Christian 60.5%, folk religion 32.9%, Muslim 6.2%, other <1%, unaffiliated <1% (2020 est.)

    https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/south-sudan/#people-and-society

    South Sudan (Christian) separated from Sudan (Muslim). In short form, the oil is under Christian land, yet the Muslim population was reaping near 100% of the benefit. The breakup in 2011 was intended to cure this problem.

    English is the official language of South Sudan. Thus it predominates in schools, government, and business. However, illiteracy is quite common.

    PEACE 😇

  115. @Yevardian
    @Mikhail

    Not fundamentally different from Putin annexing in referendae several oblasts of which they don't even control half of.

    As I've been saying from the beginning of this war, Russia and Ukraine remain cultural mirror images of each other. The only difference are their respective geopolitical situations since 1991. Magically swap Ukrainians with Russians in their territories and the identical things would be happening. The fact that the fighting has almost entirely been in the ethnic Russian part of Ukraine says as much.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    The fact that the fighting has almost entirely been in the ethnic Russian part of Ukraine says as much.

    And the fact that Putler has decided to go full psycho in Eastern Ukraine and bomb civilian enclaves because his regular armed forces are doing such a lousy job there, will ultimately severe any real comradery between Russified Ukrainians and Russians. In some really concrete ways, old Putler has managed to quickly coalesce strong feelings of oneness and nationality amongst all Ukrainians, east – west, north – south.

  116. @AP
    @Beckow


    That’s is counter-intuitive and unnatural.
     
    Nonsense. If Gaelic weren't so hard probably a lot of English-speaking Irish people in a conflict zone like Northern Ireland would try to do the same. But these Russian-speakers already can speak and understand Ukrainian, they just use Russian more often because it is easier for them.

    If you believe it, you need to meet some real people from there
     
    I literally know such people who are in Ukraine. And some friends from Moscow have Ukrainian relatives like that, the Muscovites are amazed when they talk about it. Almost all Ukrainians are bilingual, the Russians-speakers are simply those for whom Russian comes a little easier. Many of them are deciding they will now, as a principle, try to get used to speaking Ukrainian only. I don't pretend to know what percentage of Russian-speakers in Ukraine think like this, but it must be a significant one because I've seen the sentiment expressed by various people in Ukraine who are not related to each other.

    I do all the time, and we talk – always in Russian no matter where they are from in Ukraine –
     
    Would you be capable of speaking Ukrainian with them? Is their English better than their Russian? Otherwise, what other language would they speak with you?

    and they have never expressed that sentiment.
     
    Well, either it has not come up, or your well-established reputation for dishonesty is at work again.

    You should ask what they think of it, not that I would expect an honest report back from you. Though if they left early in the war and haven't been bombed they might not be as zealous as those in Ukraine.

    Language is a very sticky thing to abandon, especially a highly cultured language like Russian that generations grew up with. It is simply not going to happen because things like that don’t happen
     
    The Russian-speakers of Lviv mostly abandoned that language already. Even the ethnic Russian minority in that city is mostly Ukrainian-speaking now, at least the ones who grew up after independence (people under 35). Kiev has seen a slow increase in Ukrainian before the Russian invasion. This will now accelerate.

    In Ukraine's case it is mostly ethnic Ukrainian Russian-speakers deciding that they will quit that language. It is too early to tell if they stick to it, or course. They might backtrack if the war ends and emotions settle down (how many people promise to go to the gym at New Year's but slack of after a few months?). But policies can stay longer. They might get rid of the Russian primary schools too (why not? Russians pretend such schools don't exist anyways when they lie that Ukraine has no Russian schools), take Russian off the airwaves.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @Beckow

    Your ‘analysis‘ is roughly on a level of a 12-year old, a total disconnect from reality. I and others explained to you why Russians in Ukraine without Russian language will not happen – and should not. Check out the current EU rules on minorities and not the quasi-fascist Balts or France from 3 generations ago.

    But you don’t respond rationally. Instead you are back to your screaming baby fit: “lies!” If you cannot even understand basic verbal categories, e.g. opinions and projections of what may happen cannot by “lies!”, what are you doing on this forum?

    I wish you luck, but you are way over you head. Maybe the poor education caught up with you – or possibly you don’t understand critical thinking.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Check out the current EU rules on minorities and not the quasi-fascist Balts or France from 3 generations ago.

     

    Why do you whine when caught lying as usual?

    Current French language policy, not “3 generations ago”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France

    “France has one official language, the French language. The French government does not regulate the choice of language in publications by individuals, but the use of French is required by law in commercial and workplace
    communications”

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breton_language

    “ In the late 20th century, the French government considered incorporating the independent Breton-language immersion schools (called Diwan) into the state education system. This action was blocked by the French Constitutional Council based on the 1994 amendment to the Constitution that establishes French as the language of the republic. Therefore, no other language may be used as a language of instruction in state schools. The Toubon Law implemented the amendment, asserting that French is the language of public education”

    ::::::::::::::::::

    Was 1994 3 generations ago Beckow, or were you just lying again and as usual?

    Whine some more about being called a liar in the same post where you lie as always.

    Replies: @German_reader

  117. @Yevardian
    @Mikhail

    Not fundamentally different from Putin annexing in referendae several oblasts of which they don't even control half of.

    As I've been saying from the beginning of this war, Russia and Ukraine remain cultural mirror images of each other. The only difference are their respective geopolitical situations since 1991. Magically swap Ukrainians with Russians in their territories and the identical things would be happening. The fact that the fighting has almost entirely been in the ethnic Russian part of Ukraine says as much.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    Some similarity. The Russian side is nonetheless the one with a more reality based claim that includes not seeking cancel culture stances much unlike the Kiev regime.

    Awhile back, I recall someone saying that Ukraine in actuality is a more extreme version of how Russia is negatively portrayed.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail

    A vignette from my recent experience

    In Lugansk I saw Ukrainian names of some stores. I pointed to a local that the name of their largest hotel is in Russian on top and in Ukrainian over the entrance. The response was “We are not Ukraine, we are normal”

  118. @Mikhail
    @Yevardian

    Some similarity. The Russian side is nonetheless the one with a more reality based claim that includes not seeking cancel culture stances much unlike the Kiev regime.

    Awhile back, I recall someone saying that Ukraine in actuality is a more extreme version of how Russia is negatively portrayed.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    A vignette from my recent experience

    In Lugansk I saw Ukrainian names of some stores. I pointed to a local that the name of their largest hotel is in Russian on top and in Ukrainian over the entrance. The response was “We are not Ukraine, we are normal”

    • Agree: Mikhail
  119. @Beckow
    @AP

    Your 'analysis' is roughly on a level of a 12-year old, a total disconnect from reality. I and others explained to you why Russians in Ukraine without Russian language will not happen - and should not. Check out the current EU rules on minorities and not the quasi-fascist Balts or France from 3 generations ago.

    But you don't respond rationally. Instead you are back to your screaming baby fit: "lies!" If you cannot even understand basic verbal categories, e.g. opinions and projections of what may happen cannot by "lies!", what are you doing on this forum?

    I wish you luck, but you are way over you head. Maybe the poor education caught up with you - or possibly you don't understand critical thinking.

    Replies: @AP

    Check out the current EU rules on minorities and not the quasi-fascist Balts or France from 3 generations ago.

    Why do you whine when caught lying as usual?

    Current French language policy, not “3 generations ago”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France

    “France has one official language, the French language. The French government does not regulate the choice of language in publications by individuals, but the use of French is required by law in commercial and workplace
    communications”

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breton_language

    “ In the late 20th century, the French government considered incorporating the independent Breton-language immersion schools (called Diwan) into the state education system. This action was blocked by the French Constitutional Council based on the 1994 amendment to the Constitution that establishes French as the language of the republic. Therefore, no other language may be used as a language of instruction in state schools. The Toubon Law implemented the amendment, asserting that French is the language of public education”

    ::::::::::::::::::

    Was 1994 3 generations ago Beckow, or were you just lying again and as usual?

    Whine some more about being called a liar in the same post where you lie as always.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AP

    Ukraine is a signatory to this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Charter_for_Regional_or_Minority_Languages
    imo Ukraine should avoid anything that looks like repression of the Russian language, but it's of course their decision. Don't be surprised though if it costs Ukraine its sympathies among liberals who think Ukraine is fighting for "European values".

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

  120. German_reader says:
    @Anon 2
    The longer the Russian invasion of Ukraine continues, the more ashamed
    I feel of being white. But then the Russians (and the Germans) have been
    an embarrassment to white people for many centuries now, mostly due
    to their tendency to hyperviolence and irrationality.

    Martin Luther invented a new religion by saying, “Sin boldly!”
    Can you imagine Jesus saying something like this? Whatever
    religion Luther invented, it wasn’t Christianity. From that point
    on, German ideologies became more and more psychotic -
    Marxism, Nietzscheanism, Nazism, Freudianism (although that’s
    mostly Jewish), as in the phrase, “Neurotics build castles in the air, and
    the psychotics move in.” More to the point, the psychotic visions
    of reality provided the Germans with a rationalization of their
    proclivity for hyperviolence. Look at the murder rates by Germans
    during 1900 - 1945. First a minor genocide in southwest Africa,
    then WW I and WW II where the murder and killing rates
    (because if you’re dead, it makes no difference to you whether
    you were killed or murdered) reached stratospheric levels.
    During 1900-45 Germany became effectively a nation of murderers.
    At the end of WW II the victors concluded that the Germans
    are too primitive to rule themselves and in due time will
    produce another Hitler. Therefore, for the sake of peace
    in Europe, Germany has been reduced to a nonentity, and
    the Germans kept on a short leash.

    Today we have a similar situation with Russia. The Russians
    are clearly too primitive to rule themselves, and have produced
    a number of tyrants - Lenin, Stalin, and now Putin. Just as in
    Germany, Christianity has had no effect on Russian behavior.
    Germans and Russians are the most anti-Christian peoples
    in Europe.Jesus said, “Love thy neighbor.” I don’t recall Him
    ever saying, “Invade thy neighbor.” Hence for the sake of peace
    in Europe, it appears that the rational course of action is to
    reduce Russia to a nonentity (through attrition?) or a local
    power, and to keep Russians on a short leash.Of course, easier
    said than done. Russia is a little bigger than Germany. But at
    the very least, no alliance between Germany and Russia should
    be allowed to take place, which has indeed been standard
    American and British policy for decades.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I’ve heard from reliable sources that soon there’ll be a settlement of the heirless property issue which will involve much of Warsaw’s housing stock being given to Jewish organizations. The NYC-based company which will administer it apparently already has plans for massive increases in rent and for building several mega-brothels which will cater to Israeli tourists.
    There are also plans for making Ukrainian an official language in Poland that has equal status with Polish. School curricula will be adapted to focus on the dark legacy of Polish colonialism and on Bandera’s fight for freedom (to be celebrated by regular marches involving brandishing of farm utensils).

    • Thanks: S
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    I’ve heard from reliable sources
     
    My reliable sources say that Germany will pay over $1 Trillion in reparations to Poland in the near future.

    heirless property issue which will involve much of Warsaw’s housing stock ... already has plans for massive increases in rent
     
    All significant commercial property was 100% resolved decades ago. Private residential claims have to be adjudicated one-by-one in Polish courts. And, Polish law at most would require cash compensation, they would not change title of owner occupied property.

    Thus, the only real estate in play are explicity religious sites (e.g. synagogues and graveyards) that have been over built. This is a *tiny* amount of acreage.

    Poland will be use a small portion of German reparations to buy out vague Israeli claims, relocate the deceased, etc. Very little land will actually change hands.

    What will Poland do with the rest of the reparations they extract from Germany?

    Jewish organizations. The NYC-based company
     
    Palestinian Jews dislike post-Judaic NYC apostates. Why would real Jews let fake non-Jews take control of anything? This exact scheme was introduced and routed last year.

    Any money would go to management in Israel where Likud and Orthodox politicians would strike a deal over management. NYC Sh!tL!bs will be totally shut out.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    When the Jews realize they can make more money from the insurance on the property won they will burn Warsaw down.

  121. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @Beckow


    Check out the current EU rules on minorities and not the quasi-fascist Balts or France from 3 generations ago.

     

    Why do you whine when caught lying as usual?

    Current French language policy, not “3 generations ago”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France

    “France has one official language, the French language. The French government does not regulate the choice of language in publications by individuals, but the use of French is required by law in commercial and workplace
    communications”

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breton_language

    “ In the late 20th century, the French government considered incorporating the independent Breton-language immersion schools (called Diwan) into the state education system. This action was blocked by the French Constitutional Council based on the 1994 amendment to the Constitution that establishes French as the language of the republic. Therefore, no other language may be used as a language of instruction in state schools. The Toubon Law implemented the amendment, asserting that French is the language of public education”

    ::::::::::::::::::

    Was 1994 3 generations ago Beckow, or were you just lying again and as usual?

    Whine some more about being called a liar in the same post where you lie as always.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Ukraine is a signatory to this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Charter_for_Regional_or_Minority_Languages
    imo Ukraine should avoid anything that looks like repression of the Russian language, but it’s of course their decision. Don’t be surprised though if it costs Ukraine its sympathies among liberals who think Ukraine is fighting for “European values”.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    Ukraine is a signatory to this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Charter_for_Regional_or_Minority_Language
     
    This Charter is under the auspices of the European Council and that is a separate organization from the European Commission and a separate set of laws from the acquis communautaire.

    Of course, traditionally, the European Council has been closely consulted.

    However, we must keep in mind two things. Ukraine ratified this treaty in 2005, in good spirit, when Ukraine had no idea it would be attacked by its neighbor (well, some nationalists knew it was coming, but they were too few and were ignored). I know that this treaty is meant to protect the minorities first and foremost, and not to protect from an aggressive neighbor (one of the owners of the protected languages), however, this can be considered an unusual situation where the speakers of that language are used as the fifth column to destabilize the state. These treaties should no longer be viewed in abstract, but should take into account the changing international background. The point of this type of legislation should be to protect in a new, more civilized European space and not to be used as an instrument in neo-colonial wars.

    Second, this is a very dire and dramatic situation that we practically haven't experienced since the 1940s (the aim was to destroy Ukraine as a country). A lot can be reconsidered, a lot of treaties revisited both in Europe & Ukraine and in Russia. Russia has stepped out of some of her liabilities as well (afaik, Russia stepped out of some war crimes related obligations and if Russia isolates further, could potentially exit more treaties). We will have to review a lot of things to figure out how we are going to live with Russia on our doorstep in the future.

    I'm not saying that Ukraine should exit this treaty, but it is no longer 2004 or even 2014 and the above has to be taken into consideration when discussing any type of international minority related obligations to ever be put on Ukraine. It most likely will be taken into consideration in the future conversations with the EU. Especially in the light of the recent drone attacks, where a pregnant woman was killed and similar atrocities committed, Ukraine is likely to get leeway.

    You must also understand one basic thing. Language is not the main issue there but loyalty. Many Russophones are not only loyal, but are among the fiercest fighters for Ukraine. In the future, they need to create an environment that works for them, not because Europe said so. So that they can cohabit normally again. It is up to them to figure it out.

    Language is only an issue so far that their linguistic situation created a fifth column. This is what they want to avert now. Because Russia has openly said - whenever there is at least one Russian speaker, we can go in and destroy that country. It's backed by documents now that they put out on the eve of the war. It's a security matter at this point, not to be left to the future generations to deal with.

    Russia broke the principle of non-aggression (and probably several international treaties) so we can also speak about whether their language deserves that type of protection within the European space. I believe it does at least partially, but it is not up to me and it is a legitimate question, imo. And on a more human level, I don't think I have to remind you that Germans were shunned after 1945 in many places.

    You posted a clip from a TV studio in Lviv. And then suggested that it's so awful that this Ukrainian statesman said that there should be no Russian in Ukraine. This could definitely be the case for Lviv, as Western Ukraine is more similar to the pre-1940 Baltic states or Slovakia than it is to Eastern Ukraine. It doesn't mean anything, just that to force Russian on them, the way you attempted to do, is not only illogical but also very unseemly in the current context.

    Do I personally like this? No, as I feel both languages were cohabiting pretty well prior to the war. The issue was mainly geopolitical and about loyalty.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader

    Ukrainian regime is not agreement-capable. Ukraine signed Minsk, then Minsk-2, and never fulfilled any of its obligations. Takes after its puppeteers: the US signed a nuclear agreement with Iran…

    Replies: @A123

  122. @German_reader
    @Anon 2

    I've heard from reliable sources that soon there'll be a settlement of the heirless property issue which will involve much of Warsaw's housing stock being given to Jewish organizations. The NYC-based company which will administer it apparently already has plans for massive increases in rent and for building several mega-brothels which will cater to Israeli tourists.
    There are also plans for making Ukrainian an official language in Poland that has equal status with Polish. School curricula will be adapted to focus on the dark legacy of Polish colonialism and on Bandera's fight for freedom (to be celebrated by regular marches involving brandishing of farm utensils).

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    I’ve heard from reliable sources

    My reliable sources say that Germany will pay over $1 Trillion in reparations to Poland in the near future.

    heirless property issue which will involve much of Warsaw’s housing stock … already has plans for massive increases in rent

    All significant commercial property was 100% resolved decades ago. Private residential claims have to be adjudicated one-by-one in Polish courts. And, Polish law at most would require cash compensation, they would not change title of owner occupied property.

    Thus, the only real estate in play are explicity religious sites (e.g. synagogues and graveyards) that have been over built. This is a *tiny* amount of acreage.

    Poland will be use a small portion of German reparations to buy out vague Israeli claims, relocate the deceased, etc. Very little land will actually change hands.

    What will Poland do with the rest of the reparations they extract from Germany?

    Jewish organizations. The NYC-based company

    Palestinian Jews dislike post-Judaic NYC apostates. Why would real Jews let fake non-Jews take control of anything? This exact scheme was introduced and routed last year.

    Any money would go to management in Israel where Likud and Orthodox politicians would strike a deal over management. NYC Sh!tL!bs will be totally shut out.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123


    What will Poland do with the rest of the reparations they extract from Germany?
     
    Maybe buy you a sense of humour? Of course a Judeo-Christian one.

    Replies: @A123

  123. @German_reader
    @Anon 2

    I've heard from reliable sources that soon there'll be a settlement of the heirless property issue which will involve much of Warsaw's housing stock being given to Jewish organizations. The NYC-based company which will administer it apparently already has plans for massive increases in rent and for building several mega-brothels which will cater to Israeli tourists.
    There are also plans for making Ukrainian an official language in Poland that has equal status with Polish. School curricula will be adapted to focus on the dark legacy of Polish colonialism and on Bandera's fight for freedom (to be celebrated by regular marches involving brandishing of farm utensils).

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    When the Jews realize they can make more money from the insurance on the property won they will burn Warsaw down.

  124. sher singh says:
    @Yevardian
    @sher singh


    You’re not Greek or Iranian
     
    ?

    & like Germans will cease to exist in a century.
     
    Germany will always be a 50x better place to live than anywhere in India whatever its future ethnic mixture is. I notice you don't live there.
    Well, there's been a successful Armenian diaspora independent of national state since Kilikian Armenia fell in 14th century. It's not as if the Singh's have country of their own, as I remember the Khalistan insurrection at the Golden Temple didn't go very well.

    Replies: @sher singh

    You’re not Greek or Iranian – you’re random mountain residue betwixt Empires.
    Khalistan insurrection at the Golden Temple didn’t go well. – A Company of Singhs killed a Btn of Infantry.

    There was also the siege of Delhi last year – talking is all Armenians can do.

    I notice you don’t live there. – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandpur_Sahib

    You have an Anglo surname & are unarmed – on top of that you’re a christcuck.
    A living meme up till the white man your sister married, go rope.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  125. @A123
    @Wokechoke


    WC: A Jewish head of state in Europe is an evil thing. End of story. I know you are not allowed to say such things in Germany but the evidence is in

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5617740

     


    Zemmour wanted to deal with Muslim immigration
     
    WC: He’d have done nothing.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5617985

     

    So "Joooozzzzz" have no power? Zemmour could not have done anything? That seems weak (not evil).

    There seems to be an inconsistency with your logic surrounding the "Joooozzzzz".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Why would he block Arab migration to France? Even if he said wished to stop it, he was only pulling the Gallic Leg.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    Why would he block Arab migration to France
     
    Are you seriously asking why a French Infidel would want to stop paedophile, murderous Muslims (Arab, African, Persian, Paki, etc.) from invading?

    Go read the story about the Mohammadites raping and killing a little girl that I posted above.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5617979

    Why would Zemmour, or any Judeo-Christian, want Jihadist Rape-ugees?

    Islam is a threat to all Infidels In France (primarily Christians and Jews).

    PEACE 😇
  126. @A123
    @German_reader


    I’ve heard from reliable sources
     
    My reliable sources say that Germany will pay over $1 Trillion in reparations to Poland in the near future.

    heirless property issue which will involve much of Warsaw’s housing stock ... already has plans for massive increases in rent
     
    All significant commercial property was 100% resolved decades ago. Private residential claims have to be adjudicated one-by-one in Polish courts. And, Polish law at most would require cash compensation, they would not change title of owner occupied property.

    Thus, the only real estate in play are explicity religious sites (e.g. synagogues and graveyards) that have been over built. This is a *tiny* amount of acreage.

    Poland will be use a small portion of German reparations to buy out vague Israeli claims, relocate the deceased, etc. Very little land will actually change hands.

    What will Poland do with the rest of the reparations they extract from Germany?

    Jewish organizations. The NYC-based company
     
    Palestinian Jews dislike post-Judaic NYC apostates. Why would real Jews let fake non-Jews take control of anything? This exact scheme was introduced and routed last year.

    Any money would go to management in Israel where Likud and Orthodox politicians would strike a deal over management. NYC Sh!tL!bs will be totally shut out.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

    What will Poland do with the rest of the reparations they extract from Germany?

    Maybe buy you a sense of humour? Of course a Judeo-Christian one.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader

    I have a sense of humor.

    Your antics, while fact free, are very funny. I laugh at your dribbling and capering on a regular basis.

    PEACE 😇

  127. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Why would he block Arab migration to France? Even if he said wished to stop it, he was only pulling the Gallic Leg.

    Replies: @A123

    Why would he block Arab migration to France

    Are you seriously asking why a French Infidel would want to stop paedophile, murderous Muslims (Arab, African, Persian, Paki, etc.) from invading?

    Go read the story about the Mohammadites raping and killing a little girl that I posted above.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-200/#comment-5617979

    Why would Zemmour, or any Judeo-Christian, want Jihadist Rape-ugees?

    Islam is a threat to all Infidels In France (primarily Christians and Jews).

    PEACE 😇

  128. @German_reader
    @A123


    What will Poland do with the rest of the reparations they extract from Germany?
     
    Maybe buy you a sense of humour? Of course a Judeo-Christian one.

    Replies: @A123

    I have a sense of humor.

    Your antics, while fact free, are very funny. I laugh at your dribbling and capering on a regular basis.

    PEACE 😇

  129. A 1943 tongue in cheek demonstration of the drone like home delivery capabilities of the experimental Sikorsky VS-300 helicopter. The test pilot is Les Morris and the Connecticut household on the receiving end of the groceries is that of his own wife and children.

    [MORE]

    On Nov 29, 1945, a hovering Sikorsky YR-5A at their Bridgeport, Conn plant hovers with an additional ten extra passengers on board. Tragically, it’s said on good authority that the plant’s chief safety officer took just one look at the photo and died of a heart attack that very same day! 😉

    https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/18-august-1943/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    Speaking of drones: Zeihan wants people to call their congressmen to tell them to repeal the Jones Act, which was passed in 1920 and requires all commerce between US ports in US waters to be on US built, flagged, and owned vessels, crewed by US citizens.

    He says they are all union jobs and that traffic on American waterways decreased by 90%, after the act was passed. And that carriage on water is 10 times cheaper than on land, and that almost everything is now shipped by truck with is very expensive in comparison. And one of his favorite points is that the US is very well-watered with navigable rivers. Moreso than any other country in the world.

    I consider it quite a curious holdover from before globalization, and would feel it very unsavory to have foreigners plying all the freshwater ports, deep in the interior.

    Seems to me like a better solution would be robo-ships, which I would speculate would be much more practical than flying drones or self-driving trucks.

    Replies: @A123, @S

  130. @S
    A 1943 tongue in cheek demonstration of the drone like home delivery capabilities of the experimental Sikorsky VS-300 helicopter. The test pilot is Les Morris and the Connecticut household on the receiving end of the groceries is that of his own wife and children.

    https://youtu.be/SEAy2Yx_dY4




    On Nov 29, 1945, a hovering Sikorsky YR-5A at their Bridgeport, Conn plant hovers with an additional ten extra passengers on board. Tragically, it's said on good authority that the plant's chief safety officer took just one look at the photo and died of a heart attack that very same day! ;-)

    https://static.thisdayinaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/tdia//2017/08/S48-2.jpg

    https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/18-august-1943/

    Replies: @songbird

    Speaking of drones: Zeihan wants people to call their congressmen to tell them to repeal the Jones Act, which was passed in 1920 and requires all commerce between US ports in US waters to be on US built, flagged, and owned vessels, crewed by US citizens.

    He says they are all union jobs and that traffic on American waterways decreased by 90%, after the act was passed. And that carriage on water is 10 times cheaper than on land, and that almost everything is now shipped by truck with is very expensive in comparison. And one of his favorite points is that the US is very well-watered with navigable rivers. Moreso than any other country in the world.

    I consider it quite a curious holdover from before globalization, and would feel it very unsavory to have foreigners plying all the freshwater ports, deep in the interior.

    Seems to me like a better solution would be robo-ships, which I would speculate would be much more practical than flying drones or self-driving trucks.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Zeihan wants people to call their congressmen to tell them to repeal the Jones Act, which was passed in 1920 and requires all commerce between US ports in US waters to be on US built, flagged, and owned vessels, crewed by US citizens.
     
    Do you have a citation to back this up?

    Zeihan has taken stances on reinvigorating the U.S. economy via Reindustrialization (e.g. microchips). Jones Act repeal does not seem consistent, though I concede he is eclectic.


    He says they are all union jobs
     
    There are legislative & regulatory options to open the market to nonunion competition while retaining the Jones Act, 100% U.S. requirement.

    traffic on American waterways decreased by 90%
     
    How much of this was decrease was driven by:

    • Trains becoming *much* better?
    • Complex water cargo regulation, laws, insurance, etc.?
    • Radically different East-West (rather than North-South) population, and thus shipping requirements?

    There is no navigable, freshwater connection from the West Coast to a Mississippi River tributary. The Panama Canal is well out of the way.


    very unsavory to have foreigners plying all the freshwater ports, deep in the interior.
     
    I concur.

    The problem is a shortage of water in the Mississippi River. There are plenty of barges and crews.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://grains.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Barge-Rail-Trucks_Compare-scaled.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    , @S
    @songbird

    I wasn't familiar with the Jones Act. Probably was as you allude for future wartime security reasons and maintaining US capability in that area as a strategically important industry.

    About all those US 'navigable rivers' Zeihan was talking about, it reminds me of this 1963 Dutch documentary I saw. It seemed the Dutch really did intensively exploit their waterways and canals like a highway system. It showed Dutch people of all ages, including both young adult men and women, piloting the barges.

    The robo ship idea is interesting. I imagine it has been studied. It would seem a robot ship, perhaps 'piloted' by an individual remotely with a console (who would also be piloting other ships simultaneously) would be a lot more readily feasible and safe for large scale shipping than drone aircraft and self driving cars and trucks.

    They need to be careful with this automation stuff. People need to be meaningfully occupied.

    The Idiocracy/pleasure orientated Brave New World/1984ish brainwashed slave world they so far seem to be creating looks like a wrong path for mankind for sure.

    https://youtu.be/gqy1dRgn7Pc

    Replies: @songbird

  131. @German_reader
    @AP

    Ukraine is a signatory to this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Charter_for_Regional_or_Minority_Languages
    imo Ukraine should avoid anything that looks like repression of the Russian language, but it's of course their decision. Don't be surprised though if it costs Ukraine its sympathies among liberals who think Ukraine is fighting for "European values".

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    Ukraine is a signatory to this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Charter_for_Regional_or_Minority_Language

    This Charter is under the auspices of the European Council and that is a separate organization from the European Commission and a separate set of laws from the acquis communautaire.

    Of course, traditionally, the European Council has been closely consulted.

    However, we must keep in mind two things. Ukraine ratified this treaty in 2005, in good spirit, when Ukraine had no idea it would be attacked by its neighbor (well, some nationalists knew it was coming, but they were too few and were ignored). I know that this treaty is meant to protect the minorities first and foremost, and not to protect from an aggressive neighbor (one of the owners of the protected languages), however, this can be considered an unusual situation where the speakers of that language are used as the fifth column to destabilize the state. These treaties should no longer be viewed in abstract, but should take into account the changing international background. The point of this type of legislation should be to protect in a new, more civilized European space and not to be used as an instrument in neo-colonial wars.

    [MORE]

    Second, this is a very dire and dramatic situation that we practically haven’t experienced since the 1940s (the aim was to destroy Ukraine as a country). A lot can be reconsidered, a lot of treaties revisited both in Europe & Ukraine and in Russia. Russia has stepped out of some of her liabilities as well (afaik, Russia stepped out of some war crimes related obligations and if Russia isolates further, could potentially exit more treaties). We will have to review a lot of things to figure out how we are going to live with Russia on our doorstep in the future.

    I’m not saying that Ukraine should exit this treaty, but it is no longer 2004 or even 2014 and the above has to be taken into consideration when discussing any type of international minority related obligations to ever be put on Ukraine. It most likely will be taken into consideration in the future conversations with the EU. Especially in the light of the recent drone attacks, where a pregnant woman was killed and similar atrocities committed, Ukraine is likely to get leeway.

    You must also understand one basic thing. Language is not the main issue there but loyalty. Many Russophones are not only loyal, but are among the fiercest fighters for Ukraine. In the future, they need to create an environment that works for them, not because Europe said so. So that they can cohabit normally again. It is up to them to figure it out.

    Language is only an issue so far that their linguistic situation created a fifth column. This is what they want to avert now. Because Russia has openly said – whenever there is at least one Russian speaker, we can go in and destroy that country. It’s backed by documents now that they put out on the eve of the war. It’s a security matter at this point, not to be left to the future generations to deal with.

    Russia broke the principle of non-aggression (and probably several international treaties) so we can also speak about whether their language deserves that type of protection within the European space. I believe it does at least partially, but it is not up to me and it is a legitimate question, imo. And on a more human level, I don’t think I have to remind you that Germans were shunned after 1945 in many places.

    You posted a clip from a TV studio in Lviv. And then suggested that it’s so awful that this Ukrainian statesman said that there should be no Russian in Ukraine. This could definitely be the case for Lviv, as Western Ukraine is more similar to the pre-1940 Baltic states or Slovakia than it is to Eastern Ukraine. It doesn’t mean anything, just that to force Russian on them, the way you attempted to do, is not only illogical but also very unseemly in the current context.

    Do I personally like this? No, as I feel both languages were cohabiting pretty well prior to the war. The issue was mainly geopolitical and about loyalty.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    Many Russophones are not only loyal, but are among the fiercest fighters for Ukraine.
     
    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?

    And on a more human level, I don’t think I have to remind you that Germans were shunned after 1945 in many places.
     
    What Russia has done so far in this war isn't nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945. Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?), but so far all this talk about "genocide" etc. is simply propaganda. I do believe that some allegations against Russian troops are true...they probably do arrest Ukrainian civilians they suspect of being anti-Russian, torture them and in some cases at least kill them. This is all very bad, but unfortunately it's not that different from what even democratic Western states have done within living memory (not to mention various Western "allies"). The same applies to an even greater degree to "Russian drones have killed a pregnant woman", where in many cases it's probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.
    Of course it's understandable that Ukrainians are outraged about any of their own casualties, both civilian and military. But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia (not even for an imperfect ceasefire, which is probably the only somewhat realistic possibility right now), that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs, and that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian

  132. @songbird
    @S

    Speaking of drones: Zeihan wants people to call their congressmen to tell them to repeal the Jones Act, which was passed in 1920 and requires all commerce between US ports in US waters to be on US built, flagged, and owned vessels, crewed by US citizens.

    He says they are all union jobs and that traffic on American waterways decreased by 90%, after the act was passed. And that carriage on water is 10 times cheaper than on land, and that almost everything is now shipped by truck with is very expensive in comparison. And one of his favorite points is that the US is very well-watered with navigable rivers. Moreso than any other country in the world.

    I consider it quite a curious holdover from before globalization, and would feel it very unsavory to have foreigners plying all the freshwater ports, deep in the interior.

    Seems to me like a better solution would be robo-ships, which I would speculate would be much more practical than flying drones or self-driving trucks.

    Replies: @A123, @S

    Zeihan wants people to call their congressmen to tell them to repeal the Jones Act, which was passed in 1920 and requires all commerce between US ports in US waters to be on US built, flagged, and owned vessels, crewed by US citizens.

    Do you have a citation to back this up?

    Zeihan has taken stances on reinvigorating the U.S. economy via Reindustrialization (e.g. microchips). Jones Act repeal does not seem consistent, though I concede he is eclectic.

    He says they are all union jobs

    There are legislative & regulatory options to open the market to nonunion competition while retaining the Jones Act, 100% U.S. requirement.

    traffic on American waterways decreased by 90%

    How much of this was decrease was driven by:

    • Trains becoming *much* better?
    • Complex water cargo regulation, laws, insurance, etc.?
    • Radically different East-West (rather than North-South) population, and thus shipping requirements?

    There is no navigable, freshwater connection from the West Coast to a Mississippi River tributary. The Panama Canal is well out of the way.

    very unsavory to have foreigners plying all the freshwater ports, deep in the interior.

    I concur.

    The problem is a shortage of water in the Mississippi River. There are plenty of barges and crews.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Interesting chart.

    Here is a very short Zeihan vidya:
    https://youtu.be/Sc128K695R0

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Complex water cargo regulation, laws, insurance, etc.?
     
    Strange, that you recently weren't able to acknowledge that there are such complex laws that could regulate water rights/obligations between different states, as between Russia and Ukraine in Crimea, not to mention fees and costs for transporting water. But you need not worry and correct yourself, for there may soon be a Russian solution to this problem, the obliteration of the Antonivka water dam, that will permanently prohibit the transport of Dnieper water to Crimea.
  133. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    Ukraine is a signatory to this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Charter_for_Regional_or_Minority_Language
     
    This Charter is under the auspices of the European Council and that is a separate organization from the European Commission and a separate set of laws from the acquis communautaire.

    Of course, traditionally, the European Council has been closely consulted.

    However, we must keep in mind two things. Ukraine ratified this treaty in 2005, in good spirit, when Ukraine had no idea it would be attacked by its neighbor (well, some nationalists knew it was coming, but they were too few and were ignored). I know that this treaty is meant to protect the minorities first and foremost, and not to protect from an aggressive neighbor (one of the owners of the protected languages), however, this can be considered an unusual situation where the speakers of that language are used as the fifth column to destabilize the state. These treaties should no longer be viewed in abstract, but should take into account the changing international background. The point of this type of legislation should be to protect in a new, more civilized European space and not to be used as an instrument in neo-colonial wars.

    Second, this is a very dire and dramatic situation that we practically haven't experienced since the 1940s (the aim was to destroy Ukraine as a country). A lot can be reconsidered, a lot of treaties revisited both in Europe & Ukraine and in Russia. Russia has stepped out of some of her liabilities as well (afaik, Russia stepped out of some war crimes related obligations and if Russia isolates further, could potentially exit more treaties). We will have to review a lot of things to figure out how we are going to live with Russia on our doorstep in the future.

    I'm not saying that Ukraine should exit this treaty, but it is no longer 2004 or even 2014 and the above has to be taken into consideration when discussing any type of international minority related obligations to ever be put on Ukraine. It most likely will be taken into consideration in the future conversations with the EU. Especially in the light of the recent drone attacks, where a pregnant woman was killed and similar atrocities committed, Ukraine is likely to get leeway.

    You must also understand one basic thing. Language is not the main issue there but loyalty. Many Russophones are not only loyal, but are among the fiercest fighters for Ukraine. In the future, they need to create an environment that works for them, not because Europe said so. So that they can cohabit normally again. It is up to them to figure it out.

    Language is only an issue so far that their linguistic situation created a fifth column. This is what they want to avert now. Because Russia has openly said - whenever there is at least one Russian speaker, we can go in and destroy that country. It's backed by documents now that they put out on the eve of the war. It's a security matter at this point, not to be left to the future generations to deal with.

    Russia broke the principle of non-aggression (and probably several international treaties) so we can also speak about whether their language deserves that type of protection within the European space. I believe it does at least partially, but it is not up to me and it is a legitimate question, imo. And on a more human level, I don't think I have to remind you that Germans were shunned after 1945 in many places.

    You posted a clip from a TV studio in Lviv. And then suggested that it's so awful that this Ukrainian statesman said that there should be no Russian in Ukraine. This could definitely be the case for Lviv, as Western Ukraine is more similar to the pre-1940 Baltic states or Slovakia than it is to Eastern Ukraine. It doesn't mean anything, just that to force Russian on them, the way you attempted to do, is not only illogical but also very unseemly in the current context.

    Do I personally like this? No, as I feel both languages were cohabiting pretty well prior to the war. The issue was mainly geopolitical and about loyalty.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Many Russophones are not only loyal, but are among the fiercest fighters for Ukraine.

    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?

    And on a more human level, I don’t think I have to remind you that Germans were shunned after 1945 in many places.

    What Russia has done so far in this war isn’t nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945. Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?), but so far all this talk about “genocide” etc. is simply propaganda. I do believe that some allegations against Russian troops are true…they probably do arrest Ukrainian civilians they suspect of being anti-Russian, torture them and in some cases at least kill them. This is all very bad, but unfortunately it’s not that different from what even democratic Western states have done within living memory (not to mention various Western “allies”). The same applies to an even greater degree to “Russian drones have killed a pregnant woman”, where in many cases it’s probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.
    Of course it’s understandable that Ukrainians are outraged about any of their own casualties, both civilian and military. But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia (not even for an imperfect ceasefire, which is probably the only somewhat realistic possibility right now), that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs, and that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?
     
    It wouldn't be a loyalty test but more of a security issue for the future. They need more cohesion. So it cannot be used to stir up trouble from outside. Also, I believe the Ukrainians should have the right to decide these things without outsiders interfering. They are themselves switching to Ukrainian. There will de facto be Russian there and Russian will be used as lingua franca in the former Rus space. But given how things are going, the Russophone population will be reduced (most of the ones recently deported are Russian speakers). The problem is that that population will then be used by Russia to create new soldiers to attack Ukraine in the future, so it's especially perverse. But it's nothing new at all. And the areas in the East that could be still liberated will be depopulated and ruined.

    What Russia has done so far in this war isn’t nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945.
     
    God forbid it was as bad as that! But it is bad enough, just way too much. Don't assume it will not be taken into account. Things will not go back to how they used to be. This is too big.

    Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)
     
    From what can be gauged through some sources from Russia, Shoigu isn't really in charge anymore. It's also possible that the nuclear issue has been resolved (there have been conversations and warnings from the West). Also, I believe there is a man in Moscow or a group of men, within the security agencies, who could possibly stop it if the "one in the bunker" decided to go that route. I'm sure they will at least try. Ofc, not a given, they may not succeed.

    but so far all this talk about “genocide” etc. is simply propaganda.
     
    I wish it were mere propaganda. One doesn't have to use the word "genocide" but it's clear that Ukraine's population is deliberately being reduced. The irony is that you can just as well call it "genocide against Russian speakers".

    where in many cases it’s probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.

     

    That's just not true. They have been deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure for a while now. A big percentage of the drones are now being hit in the air. So the intended damage is much higher and much more sinister than what we see. Afaik, they targeted even Lviv with drones but they were taken out in the air.

    But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia
     
    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.

    that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs,
     
    No one knows where it will end, but as long as there are men (and women) willing and able to fight and if they receive weapons, it will go on. That's how it always works. They are being constantly shelled and attacked so they can't stop. Would you in their position? You wouldn't defend yourself? Sorry to mention this but they have kids and it's a perspective that you may not be able to relate to.

    that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

     

    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don't think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.

    Remember, that a large proportion of Westerners, especially in places such as Scandinavia, still support Ukraine. So you are as much against them as you are against us.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)
     
    All these outraged claims from Ukrainians and Russians are tinged with very black humour for me, because whenever one side plausibly asserts the other side is planning on [something awful], you can virtually guarantee it as an indication they've also considered it themselves.

    I have no idea which side did Bucha and honestly don't care. Then the mutual threats of blowing up dams, nuclear powerplants, civilian infrastructure, shared hysterical accusations of genocide etc, etc. It's all so tiresome...

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

  134. @A123
    @songbird


    Zeihan wants people to call their congressmen to tell them to repeal the Jones Act, which was passed in 1920 and requires all commerce between US ports in US waters to be on US built, flagged, and owned vessels, crewed by US citizens.
     
    Do you have a citation to back this up?

    Zeihan has taken stances on reinvigorating the U.S. economy via Reindustrialization (e.g. microchips). Jones Act repeal does not seem consistent, though I concede he is eclectic.


    He says they are all union jobs
     
    There are legislative & regulatory options to open the market to nonunion competition while retaining the Jones Act, 100% U.S. requirement.

    traffic on American waterways decreased by 90%
     
    How much of this was decrease was driven by:

    • Trains becoming *much* better?
    • Complex water cargo regulation, laws, insurance, etc.?
    • Radically different East-West (rather than North-South) population, and thus shipping requirements?

    There is no navigable, freshwater connection from the West Coast to a Mississippi River tributary. The Panama Canal is well out of the way.


    very unsavory to have foreigners plying all the freshwater ports, deep in the interior.
     
    I concur.

    The problem is a shortage of water in the Mississippi River. There are plenty of barges and crews.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://grains.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Barge-Rail-Trucks_Compare-scaled.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    Interesting chart.

    Here is a very short Zeihan vidya:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Here is a very short Zeihan vidya:
     
    Thanks.

    Ziehan does not address vessel size.

    Yes. Staggeringly huge cargo vessels moving between ports with specialized cranes is very cheap.

    What about, small vessels, short seawater transits, between 2nd and 3rd tier port cities? I suspect the timing would be problematic and the costs would be more "train-like" versus the "cheapness" of epic scale cargo carriers.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/BgBz4uKCEAExUXY.jpg
  135. Will indulge into quoting myself, but roughly one year and half ago offered to make some bet:

    Anyway, any bets on who and when will become the first UK PM from former Indian colony – Priti, Rishi or Sajid?

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-153/#comment-4719785

    ofc, it was done half jokingly, but yet here we are now quickly nearing that point of Rishi as the acting official PM becoming reality, lol

    Will it be India getting the revenge and now beginning projecting its power onto UK or banker Sunak will be used just as a vehicle/banner in order to pull nowday Hindus closer into Western camp against China or RF?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    Everybody in the Middle East thought Barak Obama was going to be the greatest thing and the first thing he did was multiply drone bombs in Arab countries by 5X.

    That guy is going to do what the 100 top dogs in Britain tell him to do.

  136. @songbird
    @A123

    Interesting chart.

    Here is a very short Zeihan vidya:
    https://youtu.be/Sc128K695R0

    Replies: @A123

    Here is a very short Zeihan vidya:

    Thanks.

    Ziehan does not address vessel size.

    Yes. Staggeringly huge cargo vessels moving between ports with specialized cranes is very cheap.

    What about, small vessels, short seawater transits, between 2nd and 3rd tier port cities? I suspect the timing would be problematic and the costs would be more “train-like” versus the “cheapness” of epic scale cargo carriers.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Agree: songbird
  137. @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    Wrong man to have that convo with.
    You don't eat dogs, cats, snakes or horses.

    Your preferences are shaped by those who took your foreskin||
    Aryans have Maryada - a clear code - it'll please you to save your life in the interest of cow protection||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    It was just a throw away pun you know. I couldn’t resist that deities was spelled dieties.

    Hanging with too many poop stirrers and retards at the Discord seems to have made you a little uptight. It sounds like an unbelievable idiotic time over there. Thanks for reporting on it so we don’t have to find out personally!

    Your preferences are shaped by those who took your foreskin

    Celts have been eating cattle and pork long before any circumcision. Don’t worry though, I don’t believe in circumcision myself anyhow and have butcher dates in the next couple of weeks for a pair of oinkers and a troublesome bull calf.

    But we’ve covered that ground already and will have to agree to disagree!

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    https://twitter.com/CotswoldArch/status/1463417886400258053?s=20

    We'll kill to protect the cow.
    You won't kill to practice cow slaughter.

    The result's already decided, Guru's Hukam is final.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  138. @A123
    @songbird


    Zeihan wants people to call their congressmen to tell them to repeal the Jones Act, which was passed in 1920 and requires all commerce between US ports in US waters to be on US built, flagged, and owned vessels, crewed by US citizens.
     
    Do you have a citation to back this up?

    Zeihan has taken stances on reinvigorating the U.S. economy via Reindustrialization (e.g. microchips). Jones Act repeal does not seem consistent, though I concede he is eclectic.


    He says they are all union jobs
     
    There are legislative & regulatory options to open the market to nonunion competition while retaining the Jones Act, 100% U.S. requirement.

    traffic on American waterways decreased by 90%
     
    How much of this was decrease was driven by:

    • Trains becoming *much* better?
    • Complex water cargo regulation, laws, insurance, etc.?
    • Radically different East-West (rather than North-South) population, and thus shipping requirements?

    There is no navigable, freshwater connection from the West Coast to a Mississippi River tributary. The Panama Canal is well out of the way.


    very unsavory to have foreigners plying all the freshwater ports, deep in the interior.
     
    I concur.

    The problem is a shortage of water in the Mississippi River. There are plenty of barges and crews.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://grains.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Barge-Rail-Trucks_Compare-scaled.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    Complex water cargo regulation, laws, insurance, etc.?

    Strange, that you recently weren’t able to acknowledge that there are such complex laws that could regulate water rights/obligations between different states, as between Russia and Ukraine in Crimea, not to mention fees and costs for transporting water. But you need not worry and correct yourself, for there may soon be a Russian solution to this problem, the obliteration of the Antonivka water dam, that will permanently prohibit the transport of Dnieper water to Crimea.

  139. I recently criticized Israel for not providing Ukraine with defensive systems that could help shield civilians from Russian drone attacks within Ukrainian cities. Now I must retract my criticism and thank Israel for its recent successful attacks and destruction of Iranian drone assemble plants. THANK YOU ISRAEL!

    Russia actively uses Iranian-made Shahed-136 kamikaze drones – repainted and renamed as Geran-2 – in its barbaric strikes at Ukraine aimed at destroying the Ukrainian energy infrastructure. There is a lot of evidence of this, as the Ukrainian Defense Forces have shot down about 250 of these UAVs. Nevertheless, Tehran consistently denies its involvement in the supply of drones to Russia for use against Ukraine. There is also a hypothesis that Russia obtains Iranian drones from Iran via third countries. If so, it is possible the Israeli missile attack hit the assembly of drones intended for further attacks on Ukraine.

    https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/israeli-missile-attack-hits-iranian-drones-assembly-facility-in-syria/#:~:text=The%20operation%20that%20assembled%20Iranian,Rights%20(SOHR)%20reported%20today.

  140. @German_reader
    @LatW


    Many Russophones are not only loyal, but are among the fiercest fighters for Ukraine.
     
    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?

    And on a more human level, I don’t think I have to remind you that Germans were shunned after 1945 in many places.
     
    What Russia has done so far in this war isn't nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945. Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?), but so far all this talk about "genocide" etc. is simply propaganda. I do believe that some allegations against Russian troops are true...they probably do arrest Ukrainian civilians they suspect of being anti-Russian, torture them and in some cases at least kill them. This is all very bad, but unfortunately it's not that different from what even democratic Western states have done within living memory (not to mention various Western "allies"). The same applies to an even greater degree to "Russian drones have killed a pregnant woman", where in many cases it's probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.
    Of course it's understandable that Ukrainians are outraged about any of their own casualties, both civilian and military. But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia (not even for an imperfect ceasefire, which is probably the only somewhat realistic possibility right now), that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs, and that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian

    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?

    It wouldn’t be a loyalty test but more of a security issue for the future. They need more cohesion. So it cannot be used to stir up trouble from outside. Also, I believe the Ukrainians should have the right to decide these things without outsiders interfering. They are themselves switching to Ukrainian. There will de facto be Russian there and Russian will be used as lingua franca in the former Rus space. But given how things are going, the Russophone population will be reduced (most of the ones recently deported are Russian speakers). The problem is that that population will then be used by Russia to create new soldiers to attack Ukraine in the future, so it’s especially perverse. But it’s nothing new at all. And the areas in the East that could be still liberated will be depopulated and ruined.

    [MORE]

    What Russia has done so far in this war isn’t nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945.

    God forbid it was as bad as that! But it is bad enough, just way too much. Don’t assume it will not be taken into account. Things will not go back to how they used to be. This is too big.

    Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)

    From what can be gauged through some sources from Russia, Shoigu isn’t really in charge anymore. It’s also possible that the nuclear issue has been resolved (there have been conversations and warnings from the West). Also, I believe there is a man in Moscow or a group of men, within the security agencies, who could possibly stop it if the “one in the bunker” decided to go that route. I’m sure they will at least try. Ofc, not a given, they may not succeed.

    but so far all this talk about “genocide” etc. is simply propaganda.

    I wish it were mere propaganda. One doesn’t have to use the word “genocide” but it’s clear that Ukraine’s population is deliberately being reduced. The irony is that you can just as well call it “genocide against Russian speakers”.

    where in many cases it’s probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.

    That’s just not true. They have been deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure for a while now. A big percentage of the drones are now being hit in the air. So the intended damage is much higher and much more sinister than what we see. Afaik, they targeted even Lviv with drones but they were taken out in the air.

    But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia

    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.

    that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs,

    No one knows where it will end, but as long as there are men (and women) willing and able to fight and if they receive weapons, it will go on. That’s how it always works. They are being constantly shelled and attacked so they can’t stop. Would you in their position? You wouldn’t defend yourself? Sorry to mention this but they have kids and it’s a perspective that you may not be able to relate to.

    that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don’t think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.

    Remember, that a large proportion of Westerners, especially in places such as Scandinavia, still support Ukraine. So you are as much against them as you are against us.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don’t think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help).
     
    No, we have the right to question everything, given that our economies are going to be wrecked, we are running a risk of nuclear war, and Ukraine expects long-term subsidies on a massive scale. There is no moral obligation to grant unconditional support under such circumstances. If Ukrainians decide to spit on the liberal "European values" for which they're supposedly fighting according to the propaganda were bombarded with, if they decide to turn this into an ethnic war with all the revenge killings and expulsions this implies, they should look for another sponsor and see where it gets them. A country that dependent on foreign aid doesn't have full sovereignty, full stop.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Matra
    @LatW

    When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny

    Like when Latvians & the Polish invaded far away Iraq as part of the Coalition of the Willing?

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Yevardian
    @LatW


    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.
     
    Short of an extremely powerful international (((lobby))) with tangible influence on government policy of the world's most powerful countries, resentfully holding on to past grievances out of misplaced pride does nothing for a country.

    Both before and after Armenia trounced Azerbaijan in the First Artsakh War, Ter-Petrosian in his first term tried normalising relations with Turkey. Of course they demanded downgrading the genocide to 'disorganised massacres' taking place in the context of chaotic environment. It was obviously rejected, and there were mass protests against any sort of negotiation at all. But the opportunity should have been taken for concessions while the country held a position of relative strength. The intransigence and tedious focus on the genocide got worse with later presidents.
    If Ukraine's leaders were smart, they'd be realistic enough about letting go of Crimea and Donbass, so they can end this war soon, on terms not totally dictated by foreign powers, allowing for eventual reproachment with Russia. But given the totally maximalist attitude of their largely foreign-owned government, not going to happen... instead recognising the Republic of Ichkeria, very bigbrain.

    It might not be 'fair' but throwing out atrocity claims (true or not), endlessly harping on them, demanding their retribution just doesn't make any sense unless you realistically expect your enemy's unconditional surrender and total capitulation. Never happening short of a NATO-Ukrainian army occupying Moscow.
    That made sense with post-WWII Germany, psychologically broken and dismembered, but notice even Japan refuses any 'full' apology or restitution for its warcrimes, on level with Germany's, perhaps even worse on average. Korea is a rich country now and could let that it go, given now everyone who was involved is dead or wheelchair-bound, but they won't either.

    It sounds paradoxical, but I think this insistence on human rights often makes conflicts and relations worse and harder to heal.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW


    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don’t think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.
     
    Certainly a pushy bastard, this one.

    Of course, it's very easy to strike such a confident tone when you think you're set to win.

    I expect he'll be singing a very different tune if it turns out he's set to lose.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

  141. @sudden death
    Will indulge into quoting myself, but roughly one year and half ago offered to make some bet:

    Anyway, any bets on who and when will become the first UK PM from former Indian colony – Priti, Rishi or Sajid?
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-153/#comment-4719785

    ofc, it was done half jokingly, but yet here we are now quickly nearing that point of Rishi as the acting official PM becoming reality, lol

    Will it be India getting the revenge and now beginning projecting its power onto UK or banker Sunak will be used just as a vehicle/banner in order to pull nowday Hindus closer into Western camp against China or RF?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Everybody in the Middle East thought Barak Obama was going to be the greatest thing and the first thing he did was multiply drone bombs in Arab countries by 5X.

    That guy is going to do what the 100 top dogs in Britain tell him to do.

  142. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?
     
    It wouldn't be a loyalty test but more of a security issue for the future. They need more cohesion. So it cannot be used to stir up trouble from outside. Also, I believe the Ukrainians should have the right to decide these things without outsiders interfering. They are themselves switching to Ukrainian. There will de facto be Russian there and Russian will be used as lingua franca in the former Rus space. But given how things are going, the Russophone population will be reduced (most of the ones recently deported are Russian speakers). The problem is that that population will then be used by Russia to create new soldiers to attack Ukraine in the future, so it's especially perverse. But it's nothing new at all. And the areas in the East that could be still liberated will be depopulated and ruined.

    What Russia has done so far in this war isn’t nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945.
     
    God forbid it was as bad as that! But it is bad enough, just way too much. Don't assume it will not be taken into account. Things will not go back to how they used to be. This is too big.

    Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)
     
    From what can be gauged through some sources from Russia, Shoigu isn't really in charge anymore. It's also possible that the nuclear issue has been resolved (there have been conversations and warnings from the West). Also, I believe there is a man in Moscow or a group of men, within the security agencies, who could possibly stop it if the "one in the bunker" decided to go that route. I'm sure they will at least try. Ofc, not a given, they may not succeed.

    but so far all this talk about “genocide” etc. is simply propaganda.
     
    I wish it were mere propaganda. One doesn't have to use the word "genocide" but it's clear that Ukraine's population is deliberately being reduced. The irony is that you can just as well call it "genocide against Russian speakers".

    where in many cases it’s probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.

     

    That's just not true. They have been deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure for a while now. A big percentage of the drones are now being hit in the air. So the intended damage is much higher and much more sinister than what we see. Afaik, they targeted even Lviv with drones but they were taken out in the air.

    But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia
     
    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.

    that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs,
     
    No one knows where it will end, but as long as there are men (and women) willing and able to fight and if they receive weapons, it will go on. That's how it always works. They are being constantly shelled and attacked so they can't stop. Would you in their position? You wouldn't defend yourself? Sorry to mention this but they have kids and it's a perspective that you may not be able to relate to.

    that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

     

    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don't think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.

    Remember, that a large proportion of Westerners, especially in places such as Scandinavia, still support Ukraine. So you are as much against them as you are against us.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don’t think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help).

    No, we have the right to question everything, given that our economies are going to be wrecked, we are running a risk of nuclear war, and Ukraine expects long-term subsidies on a massive scale. There is no moral obligation to grant unconditional support under such circumstances. If Ukrainians decide to spit on the liberal “European values” for which they’re supposedly fighting according to the propaganda were bombarded with, if they decide to turn this into an ethnic war with all the revenge killings and expulsions this implies, they should look for another sponsor and see where it gets them. A country that dependent on foreign aid doesn’t have full sovereignty, full stop.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader

    Of course, I'm not disputing that the situation is quite serious and even dire (probably the worst we've seen in our lives), and, if you so wish, you can continue to hold Ukrainians to a higher ethical standard than you will ever hold Russians to, that is your own complex, but don't expect to not be called out on it.


    There is no moral obligation to grant unconditional support under such circumstances.
     
    As I said, you can question all you want. But you should take it to your own government, instead of trashing Ukrainians who are already having a very rough time.

    Replies: @German_reader

  143. @LatW
    @German_reader


    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?
     
    It wouldn't be a loyalty test but more of a security issue for the future. They need more cohesion. So it cannot be used to stir up trouble from outside. Also, I believe the Ukrainians should have the right to decide these things without outsiders interfering. They are themselves switching to Ukrainian. There will de facto be Russian there and Russian will be used as lingua franca in the former Rus space. But given how things are going, the Russophone population will be reduced (most of the ones recently deported are Russian speakers). The problem is that that population will then be used by Russia to create new soldiers to attack Ukraine in the future, so it's especially perverse. But it's nothing new at all. And the areas in the East that could be still liberated will be depopulated and ruined.

    What Russia has done so far in this war isn’t nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945.
     
    God forbid it was as bad as that! But it is bad enough, just way too much. Don't assume it will not be taken into account. Things will not go back to how they used to be. This is too big.

    Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)
     
    From what can be gauged through some sources from Russia, Shoigu isn't really in charge anymore. It's also possible that the nuclear issue has been resolved (there have been conversations and warnings from the West). Also, I believe there is a man in Moscow or a group of men, within the security agencies, who could possibly stop it if the "one in the bunker" decided to go that route. I'm sure they will at least try. Ofc, not a given, they may not succeed.

    but so far all this talk about “genocide” etc. is simply propaganda.
     
    I wish it were mere propaganda. One doesn't have to use the word "genocide" but it's clear that Ukraine's population is deliberately being reduced. The irony is that you can just as well call it "genocide against Russian speakers".

    where in many cases it’s probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.

     

    That's just not true. They have been deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure for a while now. A big percentage of the drones are now being hit in the air. So the intended damage is much higher and much more sinister than what we see. Afaik, they targeted even Lviv with drones but they were taken out in the air.

    But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia
     
    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.

    that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs,
     
    No one knows where it will end, but as long as there are men (and women) willing and able to fight and if they receive weapons, it will go on. That's how it always works. They are being constantly shelled and attacked so they can't stop. Would you in their position? You wouldn't defend yourself? Sorry to mention this but they have kids and it's a perspective that you may not be able to relate to.

    that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

     

    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don't think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.

    Remember, that a large proportion of Westerners, especially in places such as Scandinavia, still support Ukraine. So you are as much against them as you are against us.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

    When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny

    Like when Latvians & the Polish invaded far away Iraq as part of the Coalition of the Willing?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Matra


    Like when Latvians & the Polish invaded far away Iraq as part of the Coalition of the Willing?
     
    Exactly. Since some of them were killed there and then they got on some revenge list from the Muslims. ISIS, I think. And then have to take crap from the likes of you 20 years later, which, imo, is the most terrible punishment. It's better to be threatened by the ISIS than have to deal with German Putinoids.
  144. @German_reader
    @LatW


    Many Russophones are not only loyal, but are among the fiercest fighters for Ukraine.
     
    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?

    And on a more human level, I don’t think I have to remind you that Germans were shunned after 1945 in many places.
     
    What Russia has done so far in this war isn't nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945. Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?), but so far all this talk about "genocide" etc. is simply propaganda. I do believe that some allegations against Russian troops are true...they probably do arrest Ukrainian civilians they suspect of being anti-Russian, torture them and in some cases at least kill them. This is all very bad, but unfortunately it's not that different from what even democratic Western states have done within living memory (not to mention various Western "allies"). The same applies to an even greater degree to "Russian drones have killed a pregnant woman", where in many cases it's probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.
    Of course it's understandable that Ukrainians are outraged about any of their own casualties, both civilian and military. But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia (not even for an imperfect ceasefire, which is probably the only somewhat realistic possibility right now), that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs, and that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian

    (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)

    All these outraged claims from Ukrainians and Russians are tinged with very black humour for me, because whenever one side plausibly asserts the other side is planning on [something awful], you can virtually guarantee it as an indication they’ve also considered it themselves.

    I have no idea which side did Bucha and honestly don’t care. Then the mutual threats of blowing up dams, nuclear powerplants, civilian infrastructure, shared hysterical accusations of genocide etc, etc. It’s all so tiresome…

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    I have no idea which side did Bucha and honestly don’t care.
     
    tbh the account even in mainstream media like SPIEGEL doesn't seem all that implausible to me (if you filter out some of the moralistic outrage and read somewhat between the lines)...the first Russian column that entered there was shot to pieces, and some civilians took part in the fighting. Frustrated at that setback and paranoid about irregular combatants the Russian troops which came subsequently took to detaining, torturing or just killing any civilians they suspected of being spies for the Ukrainian army or potential partisans. Added to that probably some raping and looting, or some murders just out of boredom and frustration, the sort of thing that happens with ill-disciplined troops. All very ugly, and if the Ukrainians can identify participants they may legitimately hold war crimes trials against them. The issue for me is that such incidents, appalling as they undoubtedly are, are used to argue that any kind of negotiations must be totally out of the question (you can't negotiate with the modern-day equivalent of Hitler after all) and that Ukraine deserves totally unconditional support as a sacred victim of "genocide". imo that's just deeply manipulative and intended to make Ukraine's supporters essentially hostages of Ukrainian domestic politics, which has its fair share of demented hardliners.
    , @LatW
    @Yevardian


    I have no idea which side did Bucha and honestly don’t care. Then the mutual threats of blowing up dams, nuclear powerplants, civilian infrastructure, shared hysterical accusations of genocide etc, etc.
     
    With one very very tiny detail - where is all this horrific "action" taking place? It's not like the Ukrainians created or ever intended to create a massacre on the outskirts of Moscow...
  145. @AP
    @Mikel

    I looked it up and it’s apparently 3.4.

    I looked at the Reddit Dmitry posted about the strange activities. They are indeed bizarre but seem to highlight the importance on fertility not necessarily sex (genital anointing). The Puritans from whom the Mormons sprang engaged in all sorts of bizarre “cult-like” behaviors:



    A typical Massachusetts week would begin in the church, which doubled as the town meeting hall. There were no decorations except a giant staring eye on the pulpit to remind churchgoers that God was watching them. Townspeople would stand up before their and declare their shame and misdeeds, sometimes being forced to literally crawl before the other worshippers begging for forgiveness. Then the minister would give two two-hour sermons back to back

    Everyone was compelled by law to live in families. Town officials would search the town for single people and, if found, order them to join a family; if they refused, they were sent to jail.

    98% of adult Puritan men were married, compared to only 73% of adult Englishmen in general. Women were under special pressure to marry, and a Puritan proverb said that “women dying maids lead apes in Hell”.

    The average family size in Waltham, Massachusetts in the 1730s was 9.7 children.

    Puritan parents traditionally would send children away to be raised with other families, and raise those families’ children in turn, in the hopes that the lack of familiarity would make the child behave better.

    In 1692, 25% of women over age 45 in Essex County were accused of witchcraft.

    Wasting time in Massachusetts was literally a criminal offense, listed in the law code, and several people were in fact prosecuted for it.

    Another law just said “If any man shall exceed the bounds of moderation, we shall punish him severely”.

    Here was have literacy for the purpose of social control:

    Massachusetts passed the first law mandating universal public education, which was called The Old Deluder Satan Law in honor of its preamble, which began “It being one chief project of that old deluder, Satan, to keep men from the knowledge of the scriptures…”

    Replies: @songbird, @John Gruskos

    Thanks for reminding me how awesome colonial America was.

    Prouder than ever to be an American, which is why the American flag is the only flag I will ever fly.

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  146. @Matra
    @LatW

    When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny

    Like when Latvians & the Polish invaded far away Iraq as part of the Coalition of the Willing?

    Replies: @LatW

    Like when Latvians & the Polish invaded far away Iraq as part of the Coalition of the Willing?

    Exactly. Since some of them were killed there and then they got on some revenge list from the Muslims. ISIS, I think. And then have to take crap from the likes of you 20 years later, which, imo, is the most terrible punishment. It’s better to be threatened by the ISIS than have to deal with German Putinoids.

  147. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)
     
    All these outraged claims from Ukrainians and Russians are tinged with very black humour for me, because whenever one side plausibly asserts the other side is planning on [something awful], you can virtually guarantee it as an indication they've also considered it themselves.

    I have no idea which side did Bucha and honestly don't care. Then the mutual threats of blowing up dams, nuclear powerplants, civilian infrastructure, shared hysterical accusations of genocide etc, etc. It's all so tiresome...

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    I have no idea which side did Bucha and honestly don’t care.

    tbh the account even in mainstream media like SPIEGEL doesn’t seem all that implausible to me (if you filter out some of the moralistic outrage and read somewhat between the lines)…the first Russian column that entered there was shot to pieces, and some civilians took part in the fighting. Frustrated at that setback and paranoid about irregular combatants the Russian troops which came subsequently took to detaining, torturing or just killing any civilians they suspected of being spies for the Ukrainian army or potential partisans. Added to that probably some raping and looting, or some murders just out of boredom and frustration, the sort of thing that happens with ill-disciplined troops. All very ugly, and if the Ukrainians can identify participants they may legitimately hold war crimes trials against them. The issue for me is that such incidents, appalling as they undoubtedly are, are used to argue that any kind of negotiations must be totally out of the question (you can’t negotiate with the modern-day equivalent of Hitler after all) and that Ukraine deserves totally unconditional support as a sacred victim of “genocide”. imo that’s just deeply manipulative and intended to make Ukraine’s supporters essentially hostages of Ukrainian domestic politics, which has its fair share of demented hardliners.

    • LOL: LondonBob, LondonBob
  148. @German_reader
    @LatW


    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don’t think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help).
     
    No, we have the right to question everything, given that our economies are going to be wrecked, we are running a risk of nuclear war, and Ukraine expects long-term subsidies on a massive scale. There is no moral obligation to grant unconditional support under such circumstances. If Ukrainians decide to spit on the liberal "European values" for which they're supposedly fighting according to the propaganda were bombarded with, if they decide to turn this into an ethnic war with all the revenge killings and expulsions this implies, they should look for another sponsor and see where it gets them. A country that dependent on foreign aid doesn't have full sovereignty, full stop.

    Replies: @LatW

    Of course, I’m not disputing that the situation is quite serious and even dire (probably the worst we’ve seen in our lives), and, if you so wish, you can continue to hold Ukrainians to a higher ethical standard than you will ever hold Russians to, that is your own complex, but don’t expect to not be called out on it.

    There is no moral obligation to grant unconditional support under such circumstances.

    As I said, you can question all you want. But you should take it to your own government, instead of trashing Ukrainians who are already having a very rough time.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    than you will ever hold Russians to, that is your own complex
     
    No, it's simply rooted in the fact that Ukraine has gotten very substantial aid from my country (without showing much gratitude for it) and that this support has very negative consequences for my country. It the worst happens, possibly existential ones. I'm not particularly keen on being impoverished, let alone incinerated for any foreign country, but especially not if the military and political leaders of said foreign country make crazy statements about re-taking Crimea or removing the Russian language.
    Honestly, I have to say I'm really stunned by the sense of entitlement that shines through in your comments, as also in those of many Ukrainians. It's like you simply don't understand that other people may have different interests than you and that you should at least make an effort to take those interests into account. No, yours is the side of light and right, and that's all that matters, everyone has to give unconditional support.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  149. @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)
     
    All these outraged claims from Ukrainians and Russians are tinged with very black humour for me, because whenever one side plausibly asserts the other side is planning on [something awful], you can virtually guarantee it as an indication they've also considered it themselves.

    I have no idea which side did Bucha and honestly don't care. Then the mutual threats of blowing up dams, nuclear powerplants, civilian infrastructure, shared hysterical accusations of genocide etc, etc. It's all so tiresome...

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    I have no idea which side did Bucha and honestly don’t care. Then the mutual threats of blowing up dams, nuclear powerplants, civilian infrastructure, shared hysterical accusations of genocide etc, etc.

    With one very very tiny detail – where is all this horrific “action” taking place? It’s not like the Ukrainians created or ever intended to create a massacre on the outskirts of Moscow…

  150. @LatW
    @German_reader


    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?
     
    It wouldn't be a loyalty test but more of a security issue for the future. They need more cohesion. So it cannot be used to stir up trouble from outside. Also, I believe the Ukrainians should have the right to decide these things without outsiders interfering. They are themselves switching to Ukrainian. There will de facto be Russian there and Russian will be used as lingua franca in the former Rus space. But given how things are going, the Russophone population will be reduced (most of the ones recently deported are Russian speakers). The problem is that that population will then be used by Russia to create new soldiers to attack Ukraine in the future, so it's especially perverse. But it's nothing new at all. And the areas in the East that could be still liberated will be depopulated and ruined.

    What Russia has done so far in this war isn’t nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945.
     
    God forbid it was as bad as that! But it is bad enough, just way too much. Don't assume it will not be taken into account. Things will not go back to how they used to be. This is too big.

    Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)
     
    From what can be gauged through some sources from Russia, Shoigu isn't really in charge anymore. It's also possible that the nuclear issue has been resolved (there have been conversations and warnings from the West). Also, I believe there is a man in Moscow or a group of men, within the security agencies, who could possibly stop it if the "one in the bunker" decided to go that route. I'm sure they will at least try. Ofc, not a given, they may not succeed.

    but so far all this talk about “genocide” etc. is simply propaganda.
     
    I wish it were mere propaganda. One doesn't have to use the word "genocide" but it's clear that Ukraine's population is deliberately being reduced. The irony is that you can just as well call it "genocide against Russian speakers".

    where in many cases it’s probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.

     

    That's just not true. They have been deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure for a while now. A big percentage of the drones are now being hit in the air. So the intended damage is much higher and much more sinister than what we see. Afaik, they targeted even Lviv with drones but they were taken out in the air.

    But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia
     
    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.

    that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs,
     
    No one knows where it will end, but as long as there are men (and women) willing and able to fight and if they receive weapons, it will go on. That's how it always works. They are being constantly shelled and attacked so they can't stop. Would you in their position? You wouldn't defend yourself? Sorry to mention this but they have kids and it's a perspective that you may not be able to relate to.

    that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

     

    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don't think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.

    Remember, that a large proportion of Westerners, especially in places such as Scandinavia, still support Ukraine. So you are as much against them as you are against us.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.

    Short of an extremely powerful international (((lobby))) with tangible influence on government policy of the world’s most powerful countries, resentfully holding on to past grievances out of misplaced pride does nothing for a country.

    Both before and after Armenia trounced Azerbaijan in the First Artsakh War, Ter-Petrosian in his first term tried normalising relations with Turkey. Of course they demanded downgrading the genocide to ‘disorganised massacres’ taking place in the context of chaotic environment. It was obviously rejected, and there were mass protests against any sort of negotiation at all. But the opportunity should have been taken for concessions while the country held a position of relative strength. The intransigence and tedious focus on the genocide got worse with later presidents.
    If Ukraine’s leaders were smart, they’d be realistic enough about letting go of Crimea and Donbass, so they can end this war soon, on terms not totally dictated by foreign powers, allowing for eventual reproachment with Russia. But given the totally maximalist attitude of their largely foreign-owned government, not going to happen… instead recognising the Republic of Ichkeria, very bigbrain.

    It might not be ‘fair’ but throwing out atrocity claims (true or not), endlessly harping on them, demanding their retribution just doesn’t make any sense unless you realistically expect your enemy’s unconditional surrender and total capitulation. Never happening short of a NATO-Ukrainian army occupying Moscow.
    That made sense with post-WWII Germany, psychologically broken and dismembered, but notice even Japan refuses any ‘full’ apology or restitution for its warcrimes, on level with Germany’s, perhaps even worse on average. Korea is a rich country now and could let that it go, given now everyone who was involved is dead or wheelchair-bound, but they won’t either.

    It sounds paradoxical, but I think this insistence on human rights often makes conflicts and relations worse and harder to heal.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Yevardian


    resentfully holding on to past grievances out of misplaced pride does nothing for a country.
     
    You either misunderstood me or you're deliberately looking past my point - I wasn't talking about some mysterious "past grievances" but about the killing that is ongoing. The attacks on the civilian infrastructure that are happening right now, as we speak, many Ukrainians have no electricity.

    But the opportunity should have been taken for concessions while the country held a position of relative strength. The intransigence and tedious focus on the genocide got worse with later presidents.
     
    Of course, it is always better to have fewer tensions. But do you think Armenia's position would significantly change just by making those concessions? You do not believe there may be deeper problems under the surface? Or are you thinking that you would just live on hating each other but not encounter a crisis and that would be livable.

    If Ukraine’s leaders were smart, they’d be realistic enough about letting go of Crimea and Donbass, so they can end this war soon, on terms not totally dictated by foreign powers, allowing for eventual reproachment with Russia.
     
    Rapprochement is very difficult to talk about right now, as there are constant attacks being carried out on Ukraine and they will not stop until there is a serious break in the war. The attacks may not even stop if the Russians are pushed out of Kherson, there could be attacks from Belarus (there are Iranian drone specialists in Belarus right now so there could be a drone attack on Western Ukraine). Rapprochement may not happen for a very long time.

    It's too early to talk about Donbas and Crimea. The issue with giving up territory is that, while you do get a frozen conflict, which is better than more deaths, eventually the next generation will be forced to fight again. The Ukrainians do not want to leave this war to their children.

    It might not be ‘fair’ but throwing out atrocity claims (true or not), endlessly harping on them, demanding their retribution just doesn’t make any sense unless you realistically expect your enemy’s unconditional surrender and total capitulation.
     
    In this kind of a thing, you should speak for yourself, because victims deserve justice. It's easy to speak that way about other people's children. If your people were victims, you would be ok to say - let us not seek justice. But do not speak that way about others. The Ukrainians will start with prosecuting those who they can, for crimes that they have already investigated.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  151. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader

    Of course, I'm not disputing that the situation is quite serious and even dire (probably the worst we've seen in our lives), and, if you so wish, you can continue to hold Ukrainians to a higher ethical standard than you will ever hold Russians to, that is your own complex, but don't expect to not be called out on it.


    There is no moral obligation to grant unconditional support under such circumstances.
     
    As I said, you can question all you want. But you should take it to your own government, instead of trashing Ukrainians who are already having a very rough time.

    Replies: @German_reader

    than you will ever hold Russians to, that is your own complex

    No, it’s simply rooted in the fact that Ukraine has gotten very substantial aid from my country (without showing much gratitude for it) and that this support has very negative consequences for my country. It the worst happens, possibly existential ones. I’m not particularly keen on being impoverished, let alone incinerated for any foreign country, but especially not if the military and political leaders of said foreign country make crazy statements about re-taking Crimea or removing the Russian language.
    Honestly, I have to say I’m really stunned by the sense of entitlement that shines through in your comments, as also in those of many Ukrainians. It’s like you simply don’t understand that other people may have different interests than you and that you should at least make an effort to take those interests into account. No, yours is the side of light and right, and that’s all that matters, everyone has to give unconditional support.

    • Agree: Matra
    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Ukrainians really are a piece of work as you pointed out. They are giving Poles a run for the money.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  152. No, it’s simply rooted in the fact that Ukraine has gotten very substantial aid from my country (without showing much gratitude for it) and that this support has very negative consequences for my country.

    All countries that are helping are making a sacrifice. I can understand how sometimes one may not like their tone as it can be intense. Sometimes there is no filter.

    But have you ever thought that all these economic problems actually started before the war in Ukraine? Sure, the war made it much worse now, but the inflation problem, and especially the issue of overpriced housing started much earlier. So there were already structural problems in the global economy that most likely would’ve surfaced in some type of a crisis.

    And don’t pretend your elites didn’t know who Russia was. They just didn’t want to see it. Because it was convenient.

    It’s like you simply don’t understand that other people may have different interests than you

    It’s ok that you have different interests than us. I will certainly keep that in mind going forward. I wish though I had known that we have such differing interests before my family bought that expensive Audi.

    You became very transparent, too, waving the EU flag and poking Ukraine with EU minority legislation (being an AfD voter yourself and despite that Ukraine is not even an EU member and at the time when in your own country centers where Ukrainian refugees live are being burned down, probably either by local Russians or AfD supporters, I understand the situation is tense and that there are way too many of them, but come on… ). It is more than clear now that you, Germans, only use this legislation to control others, not so much because you care about human rights. To be more precise, you may care about human rights and above all stability, but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around. It should be treated as such. And it’s pretty crazy how someone such as you, who is not the most tolerant person on the planet, would wave this around like that. Nationalism for me, but not for thee. As usual.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    in your own country centers where Ukrainian refugees live are being burned down, probably either by local Russians or AfD supporters
     
    I don't exclude the possibility that this happened, but unless it's proven, it could be just as well a hoax, like many other alleged neo-Nazi attacks here (not that there haven't been acts of violence, even murders, by neo-Nazis, especially in the 1990s and early 2000s, but there is also a long, long history of stories that turned out to be utterly fake, but were nevertheless promoted by the media, to justify the repression against any right-wing opposion, no matter how tame). It's typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the "based" Eastern Euros.

    but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around.
     
    Then leave. Frankly, as far as the Baltic states are concerned, you are nothing but a huge liability, in retrospect it's absolutely clear that you should have never been admitted to either the EU or to NATO. You contribute nothing of worth, your only function is so that the very worst kind of American hegemonist can point to your statelets as evidence that their preferred policies enjoy support in Europe (which they actually don't among most of the pre-1990 members of NATO, nor among many other Eastern Europeans).

    Nationalism for me, but not for thee.
     
    No, it's exactly the reverse. You think you're entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like "Perun give us strength") and for your manic hatreds, but you make zero effort to consider any wider interests and you readily resort to tactics of moral blackmail which are only reinforcing the ruling narratives. Terrible deal from any perspective.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @Dmitry

  153. @Yevardian
    @LatW


    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.
     
    Short of an extremely powerful international (((lobby))) with tangible influence on government policy of the world's most powerful countries, resentfully holding on to past grievances out of misplaced pride does nothing for a country.

    Both before and after Armenia trounced Azerbaijan in the First Artsakh War, Ter-Petrosian in his first term tried normalising relations with Turkey. Of course they demanded downgrading the genocide to 'disorganised massacres' taking place in the context of chaotic environment. It was obviously rejected, and there were mass protests against any sort of negotiation at all. But the opportunity should have been taken for concessions while the country held a position of relative strength. The intransigence and tedious focus on the genocide got worse with later presidents.
    If Ukraine's leaders were smart, they'd be realistic enough about letting go of Crimea and Donbass, so they can end this war soon, on terms not totally dictated by foreign powers, allowing for eventual reproachment with Russia. But given the totally maximalist attitude of their largely foreign-owned government, not going to happen... instead recognising the Republic of Ichkeria, very bigbrain.

    It might not be 'fair' but throwing out atrocity claims (true or not), endlessly harping on them, demanding their retribution just doesn't make any sense unless you realistically expect your enemy's unconditional surrender and total capitulation. Never happening short of a NATO-Ukrainian army occupying Moscow.
    That made sense with post-WWII Germany, psychologically broken and dismembered, but notice even Japan refuses any 'full' apology or restitution for its warcrimes, on level with Germany's, perhaps even worse on average. Korea is a rich country now and could let that it go, given now everyone who was involved is dead or wheelchair-bound, but they won't either.

    It sounds paradoxical, but I think this insistence on human rights often makes conflicts and relations worse and harder to heal.

    Replies: @LatW

    resentfully holding on to past grievances out of misplaced pride does nothing for a country.

    You either misunderstood me or you’re deliberately looking past my point – I wasn’t talking about some mysterious “past grievances” but about the killing that is ongoing. The attacks on the civilian infrastructure that are happening right now, as we speak, many Ukrainians have no electricity.

    But the opportunity should have been taken for concessions while the country held a position of relative strength. The intransigence and tedious focus on the genocide got worse with later presidents.

    Of course, it is always better to have fewer tensions. But do you think Armenia’s position would significantly change just by making those concessions? You do not believe there may be deeper problems under the surface? Or are you thinking that you would just live on hating each other but not encounter a crisis and that would be livable.

    If Ukraine’s leaders were smart, they’d be realistic enough about letting go of Crimea and Donbass, so they can end this war soon, on terms not totally dictated by foreign powers, allowing for eventual reproachment with Russia.

    Rapprochement is very difficult to talk about right now, as there are constant attacks being carried out on Ukraine and they will not stop until there is a serious break in the war. The attacks may not even stop if the Russians are pushed out of Kherson, there could be attacks from Belarus (there are Iranian drone specialists in Belarus right now so there could be a drone attack on Western Ukraine). Rapprochement may not happen for a very long time.

    It’s too early to talk about Donbas and Crimea. The issue with giving up territory is that, while you do get a frozen conflict, which is better than more deaths, eventually the next generation will be forced to fight again. The Ukrainians do not want to leave this war to their children.

    It might not be ‘fair’ but throwing out atrocity claims (true or not), endlessly harping on them, demanding their retribution just doesn’t make any sense unless you realistically expect your enemy’s unconditional surrender and total capitulation.

    In this kind of a thing, you should speak for yourself, because victims deserve justice. It’s easy to speak that way about other people’s children. If your people were victims, you would be ok to say – let us not seek justice. But do not speak that way about others. The Ukrainians will start with prosecuting those who they can, for crimes that they have already investigated.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @LatW


    " victims deserve justice. It’s easy to speak that way about other people’s children. If your people were victims, you would be ok to say – let us not seek justice. But do not speak that way about others. "
     
    Lots of peoples have been victims of war crimes and have not sought justice. The children of Germany and Japan for starters.

    https://i.postimg.cc/9MLdCRDT/Bundesarchiv-Bild-146-1979-025-19-A-Koeln-Kinderleichen-nach-Luftangriff.jpg


    On a a less sombre but still pretty important note, I can't believe Germany is so passive, as their "allies" sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime - a crime which could justify retribution.

    https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/1987197/1987197_wl6tkn5myax6kup.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Matra, @LatW

  154. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    No, it’s simply rooted in the fact that Ukraine has gotten very substantial aid from my country (without showing much gratitude for it) and that this support has very negative consequences for my country.
     
    All countries that are helping are making a sacrifice. I can understand how sometimes one may not like their tone as it can be intense. Sometimes there is no filter.

    But have you ever thought that all these economic problems actually started before the war in Ukraine? Sure, the war made it much worse now, but the inflation problem, and especially the issue of overpriced housing started much earlier. So there were already structural problems in the global economy that most likely would've surfaced in some type of a crisis.

    And don't pretend your elites didn't know who Russia was. They just didn't want to see it. Because it was convenient.

    It’s like you simply don’t understand that other people may have different interests than you
     
    It's ok that you have different interests than us. I will certainly keep that in mind going forward. I wish though I had known that we have such differing interests before my family bought that expensive Audi.

    You became very transparent, too, waving the EU flag and poking Ukraine with EU minority legislation (being an AfD voter yourself and despite that Ukraine is not even an EU member and at the time when in your own country centers where Ukrainian refugees live are being burned down, probably either by local Russians or AfD supporters, I understand the situation is tense and that there are way too many of them, but come on... ). It is more than clear now that you, Germans, only use this legislation to control others, not so much because you care about human rights. To be more precise, you may care about human rights and above all stability, but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around. It should be treated as such. And it's pretty crazy how someone such as you, who is not the most tolerant person on the planet, would wave this around like that. Nationalism for me, but not for thee. As usual.

    Replies: @German_reader

    in your own country centers where Ukrainian refugees live are being burned down, probably either by local Russians or AfD supporters

    I don’t exclude the possibility that this happened, but unless it’s proven, it could be just as well a hoax, like many other alleged neo-Nazi attacks here (not that there haven’t been acts of violence, even murders, by neo-Nazis, especially in the 1990s and early 2000s, but there is also a long, long history of stories that turned out to be utterly fake, but were nevertheless promoted by the media, to justify the repression against any right-wing opposion, no matter how tame). It’s typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the “based” Eastern Euros.

    but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around.

    Then leave. Frankly, as far as the Baltic states are concerned, you are nothing but a huge liability, in retrospect it’s absolutely clear that you should have never been admitted to either the EU or to NATO. You contribute nothing of worth, your only function is so that the very worst kind of American hegemonist can point to your statelets as evidence that their preferred policies enjoy support in Europe (which they actually don’t among most of the pre-1990 members of NATO, nor among many other Eastern Europeans).

    Nationalism for me, but not for thee.

    No, it’s exactly the reverse. You think you’re entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like “Perun give us strength”) and for your manic hatreds, but you make zero effort to consider any wider interests and you readily resort to tactics of moral blackmail which are only reinforcing the ruling narratives. Terrible deal from any perspective.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    It’s typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the “based” Eastern Euros.
     
    Normally I wouldn't criticize AfD, but it sounds like you want to be hostile. Why would it be a fake?? It's totally believable, I saw an AfD guy attack a chick with a flag of Ukraine. Who does that, burn down a whole house and endanger people...

    I don't even blame far-right Germans for being angry, it's a tense situation all across, one shouldn't be pushed to accept foreigners. I just don't see how one can take it out on the vulnerable. If you're unhappy with this you should take it to your own structures and your own countrymen instead of constantly shitting on Ukrainians.


    You think you’re entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like “Perun give us strength”)
     
    I don't support mainstream politics, btw. In the politics that I advocate, Western support may not be needed.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    , @A123
    @German_reader



    but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around.
     
    Then leave. Frankly, as far as the Baltic states are concerned, you are nothing but a huge liability, in retrospect it’s absolutely clear that you should have never been admitted to either the EU
     
    How is leaving the EU a practical option for a small nation?

    Look at the abuse and chaos the EU has maliciously inflicted on the UK over BREXIT.

    Small nations have to maintain their national veto as a check against Brussels aggression. Poland and Hungary are diametrically opposed on Ukraine, but both governments have made it clear that they will support each others veto power.

    Germany does not like being part of a Union composed of sovereign equals. If anyone should leave it is Germany.
    ___

    More realistically. All member nations should agree that the EU/EZ is a failure. There is no hope for reform:

    • Populist nations, including Italy and Austria, want to devolve power out of Brussels.
    • SJW Globalist nations, notably Germany, want to increase Brussels 'liberal authoritarianism'.

    Every year it becomes more and more dysfunctional. Dissolving the EU/EZ in a coordinated manner would allow everyone a clean start. The alternative is to keep escalating internal tension until the system catastrophically fails. Meloni has no choice other than following through on her coalition's platform planks:

    ♦ Unless the EU finds a creative way to capitulate, a showdown over migrants is coming.
    ♦ Italian debt is denominated in €uros. And, the German ECB in Frankfurt cannot bully austerity on a country that can fight back.

    Italy can openly defy SJW Globalism. What can the EU/EZ do to reign in a EURO country?

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/j/jpaulgetty/129274/jpaulgetty2-2x.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Lol the danger of writing German as the first word of your username. Now for all your internet life, foreigners will interact with you as the representative of the German nation or the German government.

    And after time you couldn't avoid it. There is statement to "LatW" to exit the EU, like we are seeing important decisions about the future of Latvia from a difficult discussion between Olaf Scholz and (I have to search for the leader of Latvia) Egils Levits.

  155. @German_reader
    @LatW


    in your own country centers where Ukrainian refugees live are being burned down, probably either by local Russians or AfD supporters
     
    I don't exclude the possibility that this happened, but unless it's proven, it could be just as well a hoax, like many other alleged neo-Nazi attacks here (not that there haven't been acts of violence, even murders, by neo-Nazis, especially in the 1990s and early 2000s, but there is also a long, long history of stories that turned out to be utterly fake, but were nevertheless promoted by the media, to justify the repression against any right-wing opposion, no matter how tame). It's typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the "based" Eastern Euros.

    but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around.
     
    Then leave. Frankly, as far as the Baltic states are concerned, you are nothing but a huge liability, in retrospect it's absolutely clear that you should have never been admitted to either the EU or to NATO. You contribute nothing of worth, your only function is so that the very worst kind of American hegemonist can point to your statelets as evidence that their preferred policies enjoy support in Europe (which they actually don't among most of the pre-1990 members of NATO, nor among many other Eastern Europeans).

    Nationalism for me, but not for thee.
     
    No, it's exactly the reverse. You think you're entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like "Perun give us strength") and for your manic hatreds, but you make zero effort to consider any wider interests and you readily resort to tactics of moral blackmail which are only reinforcing the ruling narratives. Terrible deal from any perspective.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @Dmitry

    It’s typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the “based” Eastern Euros.

    Normally I wouldn’t criticize AfD, but it sounds like you want to be hostile. Why would it be a fake?? It’s totally believable, I saw an AfD guy attack a chick with a flag of Ukraine. Who does that, burn down a whole house and endanger people…

    I don’t even blame far-right Germans for being angry, it’s a tense situation all across, one shouldn’t be pushed to accept foreigners. I just don’t see how one can take it out on the vulnerable. If you’re unhappy with this you should take it to your own structures and your own countrymen instead of constantly shitting on Ukrainians.

    You think you’re entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like “Perun give us strength”)

    I don’t support mainstream politics, btw. In the politics that I advocate, Western support may not be needed.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    i'm pretty sure the Germans are subsidizing Ukraine at the moment. Whether they like it or not.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @A123
    @LatW


    Normally I wouldn’t criticize AfD
    ...
    I don’t even blame far-right Germans for being angry, it’s a tense situation all across, one shouldn’t be pushed to accept foreigners.

     
    Why characterize the desire to protect Christians as "far-right". What AfD, and other center Populist movement wants is an end to the "ultra-left".

    For example: (1)

    A Somali culture-enricher went on a stabbing rampage in the German city of Ludwigshafen, killing two people.

    It turns out that the young miscreant was one of those engineers, doctors, and symbolic analysts welcomed into the country by Angela Merkel during the Great Migration Crisis of 2015.

    Many thanks to Hellequin GB for translating this article from Junge Freiheit:

    Somali knife killer arrived in 2015 as an asylum seeker

    The Somali knifeman from Ludwigshafen came to Germany as an illegal immigrant in 2015. He was then recognized as a refugee and was already known to the police for causing bodily harm, reports the Bild newspaper.

    Meanwhile, shocking new details about the attack continue to emerge. The father of the 20-year-old victim apparently had to watch as his son died, bleeding, before his eyes. “I’ve never seen anyone cry so bitterly,” a witness told the newspaper.

    AfD: One in five Somalis is a suspect

    According to the police, the Somali used a 30 centimeter knife to massacre his victims. “Several witnesses reported that the assailant shouted ‘Allahu Akhbar’, among other slogans, during the attack. As a result, extensive investigations into the motive and background are being carried out,” said the police and public prosecutor. Nevertheless, there is no evidence of an Islamist or terrorist background.

    According to the AfD, there has been a massive crime problem with Somalis in Rhineland-Palatinate for a long time. “Several inquiries from our parliamentary group have shown that immigrants are way overrepresented in the police crime statistics, especially in the case of knife attacks, other violent crimes and sexual offenses, in comparison with the local population,” said Jan Bollinger, spokesman for domestic affairs for the AfD parliamentary group in Rhineland-Palatinate.

    “Particularly striking are Somali, Afghan and Syrian citizens, who are pouring into our country again in large numbers right now,” emphasized the AfD politician. Statistically, about one in five male Somalis is a suspect in at least one crime in the state. Bollinger called for an immediate end to illegal migration to Germany.
     

     
    Centrist Germans, including AfD, need to stand up against the extremism of Scholz/Merkel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/10/somali-knife-jihadi-was-from-the-class-of-2015/

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

  156. @Barbarossa
    @sher singh

    It was just a throw away pun you know. I couldn't resist that deities was spelled dieties.

    Hanging with too many poop stirrers and retards at the Discord seems to have made you a little uptight. It sounds like an unbelievable idiotic time over there. Thanks for reporting on it so we don't have to find out personally!


    Your preferences are shaped by those who took your foreskin

     

    Celts have been eating cattle and pork long before any circumcision. Don't worry though, I don't believe in circumcision myself anyhow and have butcher dates in the next couple of weeks for a pair of oinkers and a troublesome bull calf.

    But we've covered that ground already and will have to agree to disagree!

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    We’ll kill to protect the cow.
    You won’t kill to practice cow slaughter.

    The result’s already decided, Guru’s Hukam is final.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    In all honesty, the prospect of a bunch of Sikhs taking over and keeping me from eating beef ranks about on par with Martian invasion on the list of things I'm realistically concerned about. I'll be happy to raise the threat assessment once you guys have solidified control of the Indian subcontinent.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Mikel, @Thulean Friend

  157. @LatW
    @German_reader


    It’s typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the “based” Eastern Euros.
     
    Normally I wouldn't criticize AfD, but it sounds like you want to be hostile. Why would it be a fake?? It's totally believable, I saw an AfD guy attack a chick with a flag of Ukraine. Who does that, burn down a whole house and endanger people...

    I don't even blame far-right Germans for being angry, it's a tense situation all across, one shouldn't be pushed to accept foreigners. I just don't see how one can take it out on the vulnerable. If you're unhappy with this you should take it to your own structures and your own countrymen instead of constantly shitting on Ukrainians.


    You think you’re entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like “Perun give us strength”)
     
    I don't support mainstream politics, btw. In the politics that I advocate, Western support may not be needed.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    i’m pretty sure the Germans are subsidizing Ukraine at the moment. Whether they like it or not.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke

    Most of the help is from the US. Don't forget others (Poland, Czech, Canada, etc).

  158. @German_reader
    @LatW


    than you will ever hold Russians to, that is your own complex
     
    No, it's simply rooted in the fact that Ukraine has gotten very substantial aid from my country (without showing much gratitude for it) and that this support has very negative consequences for my country. It the worst happens, possibly existential ones. I'm not particularly keen on being impoverished, let alone incinerated for any foreign country, but especially not if the military and political leaders of said foreign country make crazy statements about re-taking Crimea or removing the Russian language.
    Honestly, I have to say I'm really stunned by the sense of entitlement that shines through in your comments, as also in those of many Ukrainians. It's like you simply don't understand that other people may have different interests than you and that you should at least make an effort to take those interests into account. No, yours is the side of light and right, and that's all that matters, everyone has to give unconditional support.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Ukrainians really are a piece of work as you pointed out. They are giving Poles a run for the money.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    So, what royal lineage do you represent Cokechoke? I mean, if you're not too embarrassed to reveal the truth about yourself?

    https://images.cartoonstock.com/lowres/politics-nick_anderson_s_editorial_cartoons-superbowl-bowl-watching-tv-EC107283_low.jpg

  159. Western Europe is a hostage.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke

    A hostage with severe Stockholm syndrome

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  160. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    i'm pretty sure the Germans are subsidizing Ukraine at the moment. Whether they like it or not.

    Replies: @LatW

    Most of the help is from the US. Don’t forget others (Poland, Czech, Canada, etc).

  161. @German_reader
    @LatW


    in your own country centers where Ukrainian refugees live are being burned down, probably either by local Russians or AfD supporters
     
    I don't exclude the possibility that this happened, but unless it's proven, it could be just as well a hoax, like many other alleged neo-Nazi attacks here (not that there haven't been acts of violence, even murders, by neo-Nazis, especially in the 1990s and early 2000s, but there is also a long, long history of stories that turned out to be utterly fake, but were nevertheless promoted by the media, to justify the repression against any right-wing opposion, no matter how tame). It's typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the "based" Eastern Euros.

    but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around.
     
    Then leave. Frankly, as far as the Baltic states are concerned, you are nothing but a huge liability, in retrospect it's absolutely clear that you should have never been admitted to either the EU or to NATO. You contribute nothing of worth, your only function is so that the very worst kind of American hegemonist can point to your statelets as evidence that their preferred policies enjoy support in Europe (which they actually don't among most of the pre-1990 members of NATO, nor among many other Eastern Europeans).

    Nationalism for me, but not for thee.
     
    No, it's exactly the reverse. You think you're entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like "Perun give us strength") and for your manic hatreds, but you make zero effort to consider any wider interests and you readily resort to tactics of moral blackmail which are only reinforcing the ruling narratives. Terrible deal from any perspective.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @Dmitry

    but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around.

    Then leave. Frankly, as far as the Baltic states are concerned, you are nothing but a huge liability, in retrospect it’s absolutely clear that you should have never been admitted to either the EU

    How is leaving the EU a practical option for a small nation?

    Look at the abuse and chaos the EU has maliciously inflicted on the UK over BREXIT.

    Small nations have to maintain their national veto as a check against Brussels aggression. Poland and Hungary are diametrically opposed on Ukraine, but both governments have made it clear that they will support each others veto power.

    Germany does not like being part of a Union composed of sovereign equals. If anyone should leave it is Germany.
    ___

    More realistically. All member nations should agree that the EU/EZ is a failure. There is no hope for reform:

    • Populist nations, including Italy and Austria, want to devolve power out of Brussels.
    • SJW Globalist nations, notably Germany, want to increase Brussels ‘liberal authoritarianism’.

    Every year it becomes more and more dysfunctional. Dissolving the EU/EZ in a coordinated manner would allow everyone a clean start. The alternative is to keep escalating internal tension until the system catastrophically fails. Meloni has no choice other than following through on her coalition’s platform planks:

    ♦ Unless the EU finds a creative way to capitulate, a showdown over migrants is coming.
    ♦ Italian debt is denominated in €uros. And, the German ECB in Frankfurt cannot bully austerity on a country that can fight back.

    Italy can openly defy SJW Globalism. What can the EU/EZ do to reign in a EURO country?

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123

    German_reader is under the impression that Swedish & German banks would be eager to leave the Baltics. What a naive young man, hahaha!

  162. @A123
    @German_reader



    but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around.
     
    Then leave. Frankly, as far as the Baltic states are concerned, you are nothing but a huge liability, in retrospect it’s absolutely clear that you should have never been admitted to either the EU
     
    How is leaving the EU a practical option for a small nation?

    Look at the abuse and chaos the EU has maliciously inflicted on the UK over BREXIT.

    Small nations have to maintain their national veto as a check against Brussels aggression. Poland and Hungary are diametrically opposed on Ukraine, but both governments have made it clear that they will support each others veto power.

    Germany does not like being part of a Union composed of sovereign equals. If anyone should leave it is Germany.
    ___

    More realistically. All member nations should agree that the EU/EZ is a failure. There is no hope for reform:

    • Populist nations, including Italy and Austria, want to devolve power out of Brussels.
    • SJW Globalist nations, notably Germany, want to increase Brussels 'liberal authoritarianism'.

    Every year it becomes more and more dysfunctional. Dissolving the EU/EZ in a coordinated manner would allow everyone a clean start. The alternative is to keep escalating internal tension until the system catastrophically fails. Meloni has no choice other than following through on her coalition's platform planks:

    ♦ Unless the EU finds a creative way to capitulate, a showdown over migrants is coming.
    ♦ Italian debt is denominated in €uros. And, the German ECB in Frankfurt cannot bully austerity on a country that can fight back.

    Italy can openly defy SJW Globalism. What can the EU/EZ do to reign in a EURO country?

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/j/jpaulgetty/129274/jpaulgetty2-2x.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    German_reader is under the impression that Swedish & German banks would be eager to leave the Baltics. What a naive young man, hahaha!

  163. @LatW
    @German_reader


    It’s typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the “based” Eastern Euros.
     
    Normally I wouldn't criticize AfD, but it sounds like you want to be hostile. Why would it be a fake?? It's totally believable, I saw an AfD guy attack a chick with a flag of Ukraine. Who does that, burn down a whole house and endanger people...

    I don't even blame far-right Germans for being angry, it's a tense situation all across, one shouldn't be pushed to accept foreigners. I just don't see how one can take it out on the vulnerable. If you're unhappy with this you should take it to your own structures and your own countrymen instead of constantly shitting on Ukrainians.


    You think you’re entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like “Perun give us strength”)
     
    I don't support mainstream politics, btw. In the politics that I advocate, Western support may not be needed.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    Normally I wouldn’t criticize AfD

    I don’t even blame far-right Germans for being angry, it’s a tense situation all across, one shouldn’t be pushed to accept foreigners.

    Why characterize the desire to protect Christians as “far-right”. What AfD, and other center Populist movement wants is an end to the “ultra-left”.

    For example: (1)

    A Somali culture-enricher went on a stabbing rampage in the German city of Ludwigshafen, killing two people.

    It turns out that the young miscreant was one of those engineers, doctors, and symbolic analysts welcomed into the country by Angela Merkel during the Great Migration Crisis of 2015.

    Many thanks to Hellequin GB for translating this article from Junge Freiheit:

    Somali knife killer arrived in 2015 as an asylum seeker

    The Somali knifeman from Ludwigshafen came to Germany as an illegal immigrant in 2015. He was then recognized as a refugee and was already known to the police for causing bodily harm, reports the Bild newspaper.

    Meanwhile, shocking new details about the attack continue to emerge. The father of the 20-year-old victim apparently had to watch as his son died, bleeding, before his eyes. “I’ve never seen anyone cry so bitterly,” a witness told the newspaper.

    AfD: One in five Somalis is a suspect

    According to the police, the Somali used a 30 centimeter knife to massacre his victims. “Several witnesses reported that the assailant shouted ‘Allahu Akhbar’, among other slogans, during the attack. As a result, extensive investigations into the motive and background are being carried out,” said the police and public prosecutor. Nevertheless, there is no evidence of an Islamist or terrorist background.

    According to the AfD, there has been a massive crime problem with Somalis in Rhineland-Palatinate for a long time. “Several inquiries from our parliamentary group have shown that immigrants are way overrepresented in the police crime statistics, especially in the case of knife attacks, other violent crimes and sexual offenses, in comparison with the local population,” said Jan Bollinger, spokesman for domestic affairs for the AfD parliamentary group in Rhineland-Palatinate.

    “Particularly striking are Somali, Afghan and Syrian citizens, who are pouring into our country again in large numbers right now,” emphasized the AfD politician. Statistically, about one in five male Somalis is a suspect in at least one crime in the state. Bollinger called for an immediate end to illegal migration to Germany.

    Centrist Germans, including AfD, need to stand up against the extremism of Scholz/Merkel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/10/somali-knife-jihadi-was-from-the-class-of-2015/

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123

    I have read this crap over and over for more than 15 years now, it is all the same and nothing changes!

    But, yea, let's go and burn some Ukrainian refugees in their sleep. That's gonna solve the Somali problem.

    "He was then recognized as a refugee and was already known to the police for causing bodily harm, reports the Bild newspaper."

    Really? Again? Just like the one who stabbed the tranny, was to be deported, should've been taken straight to the airport but wasn't... Ok...

    , @songbird
    @A123

    Seems highly plausible to me that Somalis in the West use up more tax money annually than the GDP of Somalia.

    Is there another such group? Though, to be fair, they have no natural resources.

    Anyway, thinking about Somalis, it is hard to believe that nobody will ever try to send theirs back. Frankly, I don't believe it.

    IMO, it's just awaiting a severe economic crunch, and a subsequent change in the idea of what constitutes a citizen.

  164. @A123
    @LatW


    Normally I wouldn’t criticize AfD
    ...
    I don’t even blame far-right Germans for being angry, it’s a tense situation all across, one shouldn’t be pushed to accept foreigners.

     
    Why characterize the desire to protect Christians as "far-right". What AfD, and other center Populist movement wants is an end to the "ultra-left".

    For example: (1)

    A Somali culture-enricher went on a stabbing rampage in the German city of Ludwigshafen, killing two people.

    It turns out that the young miscreant was one of those engineers, doctors, and symbolic analysts welcomed into the country by Angela Merkel during the Great Migration Crisis of 2015.

    Many thanks to Hellequin GB for translating this article from Junge Freiheit:

    Somali knife killer arrived in 2015 as an asylum seeker

    The Somali knifeman from Ludwigshafen came to Germany as an illegal immigrant in 2015. He was then recognized as a refugee and was already known to the police for causing bodily harm, reports the Bild newspaper.

    Meanwhile, shocking new details about the attack continue to emerge. The father of the 20-year-old victim apparently had to watch as his son died, bleeding, before his eyes. “I’ve never seen anyone cry so bitterly,” a witness told the newspaper.

    AfD: One in five Somalis is a suspect

    According to the police, the Somali used a 30 centimeter knife to massacre his victims. “Several witnesses reported that the assailant shouted ‘Allahu Akhbar’, among other slogans, during the attack. As a result, extensive investigations into the motive and background are being carried out,” said the police and public prosecutor. Nevertheless, there is no evidence of an Islamist or terrorist background.

    According to the AfD, there has been a massive crime problem with Somalis in Rhineland-Palatinate for a long time. “Several inquiries from our parliamentary group have shown that immigrants are way overrepresented in the police crime statistics, especially in the case of knife attacks, other violent crimes and sexual offenses, in comparison with the local population,” said Jan Bollinger, spokesman for domestic affairs for the AfD parliamentary group in Rhineland-Palatinate.

    “Particularly striking are Somali, Afghan and Syrian citizens, who are pouring into our country again in large numbers right now,” emphasized the AfD politician. Statistically, about one in five male Somalis is a suspect in at least one crime in the state. Bollinger called for an immediate end to illegal migration to Germany.
     

     
    Centrist Germans, including AfD, need to stand up against the extremism of Scholz/Merkel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/10/somali-knife-jihadi-was-from-the-class-of-2015/

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    I have read this crap over and over for more than 15 years now, it is all the same and nothing changes!

    But, yea, let’s go and burn some Ukrainian refugees in their sleep. That’s gonna solve the Somali problem.

    “He was then recognized as a refugee and was already known to the police for causing bodily harm, reports the Bild newspaper.”

    Really? Again? Just like the one who stabbed the tranny, was to be deported, should’ve been taken straight to the airport but wasn’t… Ok…

  165. @German_reader
    @AP

    Ukraine is a signatory to this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Charter_for_Regional_or_Minority_Languages
    imo Ukraine should avoid anything that looks like repression of the Russian language, but it's of course their decision. Don't be surprised though if it costs Ukraine its sympathies among liberals who think Ukraine is fighting for "European values".

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    Ukrainian regime is not agreement-capable. Ukraine signed Minsk, then Minsk-2, and never fulfilled any of its obligations. Takes after its puppeteers: the US signed a nuclear agreement with Iran…

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Takes after its puppeteers: the US
     
    Not-The-President Biden is the puppet. Not the other way around.

    Right now, the U.S. could not puppeteer a Punch & Judy skit.


    nuclear agreement with Iran
     
    I did not know that Iran was running Ukie-stan, though that does makes sense.

    After all, it is 100% proven fact that Khamenei abrogated the JCPOA deal while Obama was still in office. Oath Breaking is predictable behaviour for Persian Shias and Ukie Maximalists.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  166. @Wokechoke
    Western Europe is a hostage.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    A hostage with severe Stockholm syndrome

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    In the words of Victoria Nuland, fuck the EU!

    Sorry. This whole thing is disgraceful and if Johnson and Macron had two grams of self respect in their bones they would suicide bomb a bank owner.

  167. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader

    Ukrainian regime is not agreement-capable. Ukraine signed Minsk, then Minsk-2, and never fulfilled any of its obligations. Takes after its puppeteers: the US signed a nuclear agreement with Iran…

    Replies: @A123

    Takes after its puppeteers: the US

    Not-The-President Biden is the puppet. Not the other way around.

    Right now, the U.S. could not puppeteer a Punch & Judy skit.

    nuclear agreement with Iran

    I did not know that Iran was running Ukie-stan, though that does makes sense.

    After all, it is 100% proven fact that Khamenei abrogated the JCPOA deal while Obama was still in office. Oath Breaking is predictable behaviour for Persian Shias and Ukie Maximalists.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    I did not know that Iran was running Ukie-stan, though that does makes sense.
     
    Iran running Ukraine? You really are 100% a strange conspiracy nutter.

    https://www.toonpool.com/user/82/files/iran_downs_ukrainian_flight__3503455.jpg

    Replies: @Mikhail

  168. Homosexual propagandist, working in antifa Kremlin media calls for drowning and burning of UA kids:

    tbf, Simonyan herself sort of publicly condemned him too after this, so this might have been off the script improvisation to the tune of current moods, but only if it was not pre-recorded, which is not very clear atm

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    Why stop at half-truth, and not tell the whole story? Right after this personage made his Ukie-style remarks RT stopped working with this scum. This was announced by Simonyan.

    Replies: @sudden death

  169. @LatW
    @German_reader


    Then why turn the language issue into a loyalty test?
     
    It wouldn't be a loyalty test but more of a security issue for the future. They need more cohesion. So it cannot be used to stir up trouble from outside. Also, I believe the Ukrainians should have the right to decide these things without outsiders interfering. They are themselves switching to Ukrainian. There will de facto be Russian there and Russian will be used as lingua franca in the former Rus space. But given how things are going, the Russophone population will be reduced (most of the ones recently deported are Russian speakers). The problem is that that population will then be used by Russia to create new soldiers to attack Ukraine in the future, so it's especially perverse. But it's nothing new at all. And the areas in the East that could be still liberated will be depopulated and ruined.

    What Russia has done so far in this war isn’t nearly on the same level as what Germans did in 1939-1945.
     
    God forbid it was as bad as that! But it is bad enough, just way too much. Don't assume it will not be taken into account. Things will not go back to how they used to be. This is too big.

    Of course this could easily change in the near future (very ominous statements by Shoigu about Ukraine allegedly building a dirty bomb, one wonders what Russian intentions are here, are they planning something of the sort themselves?)
     
    From what can be gauged through some sources from Russia, Shoigu isn't really in charge anymore. It's also possible that the nuclear issue has been resolved (there have been conversations and warnings from the West). Also, I believe there is a man in Moscow or a group of men, within the security agencies, who could possibly stop it if the "one in the bunker" decided to go that route. I'm sure they will at least try. Ofc, not a given, they may not succeed.

    but so far all this talk about “genocide” etc. is simply propaganda.
     
    I wish it were mere propaganda. One doesn't have to use the word "genocide" but it's clear that Ukraine's population is deliberately being reduced. The irony is that you can just as well call it "genocide against Russian speakers".

    where in many cases it’s probably not even clear to what extent civilian deaths were intentional.

     

    That's just not true. They have been deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure for a while now. A big percentage of the drones are now being hit in the air. So the intended damage is much higher and much more sinister than what we see. Afaik, they targeted even Lviv with drones but they were taken out in the air.

    But frankly, I cannot but suspect the motives of outsiders like yourself who harp so much on the atrocity issue and bring it up as an argument that there can be no negotiations at all with Russia
     
    So you think the atrocities should just be swept under the carpet? There are awful many of them by now. My words that I post here, for the most part, are very closely aligned with what a large percentage of Ukrainians believe (as well as a small group of the Russian nationalists who are on the side of Ukraine and Europe). We have a common outlook.

    that this must end in total Ukrainian victory, no matter the costs,
     
    No one knows where it will end, but as long as there are men (and women) willing and able to fight and if they receive weapons, it will go on. That's how it always works. They are being constantly shelled and attacked so they can't stop. Would you in their position? You wouldn't defend yourself? Sorry to mention this but they have kids and it's a perspective that you may not be able to relate to.

    that citizens of the Western states supporting Ukraine have no right no question Ukrainian policies.

     

    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don't think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.

    Remember, that a large proportion of Westerners, especially in places such as Scandinavia, still support Ukraine. So you are as much against them as you are against us.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don’t think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.

    Certainly a pushy bastard, this one.

    Of course, it’s very easy to strike such a confident tone when you think you’re set to win.

    I expect he’ll be singing a very different tune if it turns out he’s set to lose.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @silviosilver

    If memory serves, this personage did not say anything of the kind when Ukies invaded Donbass in 2014. They murdered more than 13 000 people since then, killed and maimed more than 500 children, and Western hypocrites pretended that this string of war crimes by Kiev regime never happened.

    Replies: @AP

    , @LatW
    @silviosilver

    LOL.

    Come on, when has the West not been consulted (nevermind the screaming on Twitter, those are just all sorts of public reactions)? Of course, the West will be closely consulted and heard out going forward as well. Reconstruction will be a common effort.

  170. @sudden death
    Homosexual propagandist, working in antifa Kremlin media calls for drowning and burning of UA kids:

    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504

    tbf, Simonyan herself sort of publicly condemned him too after this, so this might have been off the script improvisation to the tune of current moods, but only if it was not pre-recorded, which is not very clear atm

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Why stop at half-truth, and not tell the whole story? Right after this personage made his Ukie-style remarks RT stopped working with this scum. This was announced by Simonyan.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    RT stopped working with
     
    Haven't seen anything about him being fired officially, the only thing regarding terminating his work was Simonyan quite vaguely writing "at the current moment Ï'm suspending our cooperation" (На данный момент я останавливаю наше сотрудничество), which could be interpreted widely or narrowly if one wishes, but imho we''ll see or hear him again quite soon in Kremlin's various brand medias.

    https://t.me/margaritasimonyan/12361

    Replies: @Mikhail

  171. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don’t think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.
     
    Certainly a pushy bastard, this one.

    Of course, it's very easy to strike such a confident tone when you think you're set to win.

    I expect he'll be singing a very different tune if it turns out he's set to lose.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    If memory serves, this personage did not say anything of the kind when Ukies invaded Donbass in 2014. They murdered more than 13 000 people since then, killed and maimed more than 500 children, and Western hypocrites pretended that this string of war crimes by Kiev regime never happened.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    this personage did not say anything of the kind when Ukies invaded Donbass in 2014

     

    Donbas was part of Ukraine so they “invaded” their own country. However, Russians such as Girkin and Pavlov (the warlord Motorola) did invade the other country.

    Of the 13,000 dead, 10,000 were soldiers. About half of those, if not more, were Ukrainian soldiers. So you are blaming Ukraine for killing Ukrainian soldiers.

    For the sake of consistency, will you claim that Russia invaded Chechnya and that bombing Moscow and killing civilians there was an acceptable response to that “invasion?”

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

  172. @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke

    A hostage with severe Stockholm syndrome

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    In the words of Victoria Nuland, fuck the EU!

    Sorry. This whole thing is disgraceful and if Johnson and Macron had two grams of self respect in their bones they would suicide bomb a bank owner.

  173. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Takes after its puppeteers: the US
     
    Not-The-President Biden is the puppet. Not the other way around.

    Right now, the U.S. could not puppeteer a Punch & Judy skit.


    nuclear agreement with Iran
     
    I did not know that Iran was running Ukie-stan, though that does makes sense.

    After all, it is 100% proven fact that Khamenei abrogated the JCPOA deal while Obama was still in office. Oath Breaking is predictable behaviour for Persian Shias and Ukie Maximalists.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I did not know that Iran was running Ukie-stan, though that does makes sense.

    Iran running Ukraine? You really are 100% a strange conspiracy nutter.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    On who is running Ukraine:

    https://twitter.com/AnyafromSaintP/status/1583610343871639552

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

  174. @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Ukrainians really are a piece of work as you pointed out. They are giving Poles a run for the money.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So, what royal lineage do you represent Cokechoke? I mean, if you’re not too embarrassed to reveal the truth about yourself?

  175. @AnonfromTN
    @silviosilver

    If memory serves, this personage did not say anything of the kind when Ukies invaded Donbass in 2014. They murdered more than 13 000 people since then, killed and maimed more than 500 children, and Western hypocrites pretended that this string of war crimes by Kiev regime never happened.

    Replies: @AP

    this personage did not say anything of the kind when Ukies invaded Donbass in 2014

    Donbas was part of Ukraine so they “invaded” their own country. However, Russians such as Girkin and Pavlov (the warlord Motorola) did invade the other country.

    Of the 13,000 dead, 10,000 were soldiers. About half of those, if not more, were Ukrainian soldiers. So you are blaming Ukraine for killing Ukrainian soldiers.

    For the sake of consistency, will you claim that Russia invaded Chechnya and that bombing Moscow and killing civilians there was an acceptable response to that “invasion?”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...For the sake of consistency
     
    You are in no position to talk about consistency - we reminded you many times that Nato invaded Serbia to make Kosovo independent. It happened first, in the spring of 1999. To this day it is quietly celebrated in the West.

    Your response previously was that you didn't agree with it. Fine, but you are not a decision maker - the decision makers in Nato are the same people who invaded Serbia. Kiev by totally aligning with Nato - don't argue that point, it is obvious - literally owns the Kosovo precedent. What goes around, comes around. The road to this war started with Nato attack on Serbia. Self-determination by force is valid for all or for none.

    Until that is resolved all this talk about 'invasion' and 'change of borders in Europe' is hollow. You can't complain when others do what you did first.

    Replies: @AP

    , @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Are you saying that mass murder of your own citizens is not a crime? Parteigenosse Hitler would agree. No wonder Ukies like Nazis: kindred spirits.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

  176. Wonder what Kessler syndrome would do to crop yields.

    Figure imaging satellites that help estimate stuff like leaf wetness duration must be low. GPS is too high.

    Is Kessler syndrome overblown?

  177. @A123
    @LatW


    Normally I wouldn’t criticize AfD
    ...
    I don’t even blame far-right Germans for being angry, it’s a tense situation all across, one shouldn’t be pushed to accept foreigners.

     
    Why characterize the desire to protect Christians as "far-right". What AfD, and other center Populist movement wants is an end to the "ultra-left".

    For example: (1)

    A Somali culture-enricher went on a stabbing rampage in the German city of Ludwigshafen, killing two people.

    It turns out that the young miscreant was one of those engineers, doctors, and symbolic analysts welcomed into the country by Angela Merkel during the Great Migration Crisis of 2015.

    Many thanks to Hellequin GB for translating this article from Junge Freiheit:

    Somali knife killer arrived in 2015 as an asylum seeker

    The Somali knifeman from Ludwigshafen came to Germany as an illegal immigrant in 2015. He was then recognized as a refugee and was already known to the police for causing bodily harm, reports the Bild newspaper.

    Meanwhile, shocking new details about the attack continue to emerge. The father of the 20-year-old victim apparently had to watch as his son died, bleeding, before his eyes. “I’ve never seen anyone cry so bitterly,” a witness told the newspaper.

    AfD: One in five Somalis is a suspect

    According to the police, the Somali used a 30 centimeter knife to massacre his victims. “Several witnesses reported that the assailant shouted ‘Allahu Akhbar’, among other slogans, during the attack. As a result, extensive investigations into the motive and background are being carried out,” said the police and public prosecutor. Nevertheless, there is no evidence of an Islamist or terrorist background.

    According to the AfD, there has been a massive crime problem with Somalis in Rhineland-Palatinate for a long time. “Several inquiries from our parliamentary group have shown that immigrants are way overrepresented in the police crime statistics, especially in the case of knife attacks, other violent crimes and sexual offenses, in comparison with the local population,” said Jan Bollinger, spokesman for domestic affairs for the AfD parliamentary group in Rhineland-Palatinate.

    “Particularly striking are Somali, Afghan and Syrian citizens, who are pouring into our country again in large numbers right now,” emphasized the AfD politician. Statistically, about one in five male Somalis is a suspect in at least one crime in the state. Bollinger called for an immediate end to illegal migration to Germany.
     

     
    Centrist Germans, including AfD, need to stand up against the extremism of Scholz/Merkel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/10/somali-knife-jihadi-was-from-the-class-of-2015/

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    Seems highly plausible to me that Somalis in the West use up more tax money annually than the GDP of Somalia.

    Is there another such group? Though, to be fair, they have no natural resources.

    Anyway, thinking about Somalis, it is hard to believe that nobody will ever try to send theirs back. Frankly, I don’t believe it.

    IMO, it’s just awaiting a severe economic crunch, and a subsequent change in the idea of what constitutes a citizen.

    • Agree: A123
  178. Aaron Judge and friends late in the game of the Yankees getting swept by the Astros.

  179. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    this personage did not say anything of the kind when Ukies invaded Donbass in 2014

     

    Donbas was part of Ukraine so they “invaded” their own country. However, Russians such as Girkin and Pavlov (the warlord Motorola) did invade the other country.

    Of the 13,000 dead, 10,000 were soldiers. About half of those, if not more, were Ukrainian soldiers. So you are blaming Ukraine for killing Ukrainian soldiers.

    For the sake of consistency, will you claim that Russia invaded Chechnya and that bombing Moscow and killing civilians there was an acceptable response to that “invasion?”

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    …For the sake of consistency

    You are in no position to talk about consistency – we reminded you many times that Nato invaded Serbia to make Kosovo independent. It happened first, in the spring of 1999. To this day it is quietly celebrated in the West.

    Your response previously was that you didn’t agree with it. Fine, but you are not a decision maker – the decision makers in Nato are the same people who invaded Serbia. Kiev by totally aligning with Nato – don’t argue that point, it is obvious – literally owns the Kosovo precedent. What goes around, comes around. The road to this war started with Nato attack on Serbia. Self-determination by force is valid for all or for none.

    Until that is resolved all this talk about ‘invasion‘ and ‘change of borders in Europe‘ is hollow. You can’t complain when others do what you did first.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    You are in no position to talk about consistency – we reminded you many times that Nato invaded Serbia
     
    I was opposed to NATO action in Serbia, so I am consistent.

    I was wondering about AnoninTN’s personal opinion. If rebellion in Donbas and bombing Kiev and Kharkiv for purposes of removing Donbas are ok, does he view the bombing of Moscow for the purpose of removing Russia from Chechnya to also be acceptable?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

  180. @songbird
    @S

    Speaking of drones: Zeihan wants people to call their congressmen to tell them to repeal the Jones Act, which was passed in 1920 and requires all commerce between US ports in US waters to be on US built, flagged, and owned vessels, crewed by US citizens.

    He says they are all union jobs and that traffic on American waterways decreased by 90%, after the act was passed. And that carriage on water is 10 times cheaper than on land, and that almost everything is now shipped by truck with is very expensive in comparison. And one of his favorite points is that the US is very well-watered with navigable rivers. Moreso than any other country in the world.

    I consider it quite a curious holdover from before globalization, and would feel it very unsavory to have foreigners plying all the freshwater ports, deep in the interior.

    Seems to me like a better solution would be robo-ships, which I would speculate would be much more practical than flying drones or self-driving trucks.

    Replies: @A123, @S

    I wasn’t familiar with the Jones Act. Probably was as you allude for future wartime security reasons and maintaining US capability in that area as a strategically important industry.

    About all those US ‘navigable rivers’ Zeihan was talking about, it reminds me of this 1963 Dutch documentary I saw. It seemed the Dutch really did intensively exploit their waterways and canals like a highway system. It showed Dutch people of all ages, including both young adult men and women, piloting the barges.

    The robo ship idea is interesting. I imagine it has been studied. It would seem a robot ship, perhaps ‘piloted’ by an individual remotely with a console (who would also be piloting other ships simultaneously) would be a lot more readily feasible and safe for large scale shipping than drone aircraft and self driving cars and trucks.

    They need to be careful with this automation stuff. People need to be meaningfully occupied.

    The Idiocracy/pleasure orientated Brave New World/1984ish brainwashed slave world they so far seem to be creating looks like a wrong path for mankind for sure.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    That Twilight Zone episode almost seems quaint now.

    Globalization and inflation have made the issue less straight forward. I see the elites as incompetents, but, if they had planned to set the stage for automation, IMO, they couldn't have done it better.

    What I heard is that there a plants that make blue jeans in America that are completely automated now. But are they replacing American workers, or merely reshoring? From the nationalist perspective what is better, to have your textile industry based in Bangladesh or Ethiopia, or to have machines make it domestically? To have Mexican truckers drive right across the border, or to have robo-trucks? I'll admit the answers aren't clear to me, even as I believe that automation is the one hope of preserving lifestyles in the West.

    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve. I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.

    Replies: @A123, @S

  181. Doesn’t look like the doomsday predictions are going to come true. As usual.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Thulean Friend

    Despite large industrial shutdowns and unseasonable warmth natural gas prices are still five times as high as the ten year average. The doomsday predictions have already come true.

  182. Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @A123
    @Thulean Friend


    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.
     
    His starting position looks like this.

     
    https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/10/Screen-Shot-2022-10-20-at-12.14.56-PM.png
     

    Will Sunak give Braverman a position, and actually clamp down on migration? If not, Migration Realists will take shots at him for Open Borders.

    If Sunak goes full WEF, he could be the last Tory PM ever.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

    , @silviosilver
    @Thulean Friend


    demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.
     
    Lol, talk about making a virtue out of necessity.

    Of course, given the choice, they'd happily take the national strength that China has achieved; it's simply that, being less competent, they haven't (and perhaps - certainly it is to be hoped - they never will).

    And also of course, it is white stupidity and apathy that has enabled the infiltration, rather than the ingenuity of hindoo wiles. Even wokesters are more likely to characterize interactions with pajeets as "repellant" than "charming."

    And also also of course, none but a pajeet would celebrate any of this. It's interesting how subdued the "first Indian PM!" reaction has been. If it were the "first black PM!" Britcucks would be fainting from the ecstasy.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Wokechoke

    , @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend

    I don't really know much about Rishi Sunak, but is this guy really "Indian" in a deep seated way or is his true loyalty to the international system which makes him filthy rich?
    Is the guy anything but another interchangeable deracinated "citizen of the world" when one gets down to it?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Bashibuzuk

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Thulean Friend

    South Asian guys like you are more loquacious and sociable. Chinese males are dorkier especially around white women who dominate the discourse in the West.

    You can't really have a show bobs and vegenes thing with Chinese guys because they don't have that confidence,
    https://i.postimg.cc/0yCZQ3JF/Screenshot-137.jpg

    , @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    I doubt there is kind of "national conspiracy" of Indian immigrants to conquer the Western governments. Especially as the Indian immigrants are often from Africa or other areas of the British empire, not even directly from India. The parents of UK's new leader are Hindus from Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishi_Sunak

    Indian and Chinese immigrants are both flooding the West. Indian immigrants are often higher income and more ambitious than Chinese immigrants, so it was likely they would have the leader of a Western country before the Chinese immigrants. Although there was a Chinese-American who was presidential candidate in America in 2020.

    There a lot of wealthy Chinese immigrants hiding in the West, but the wealthy Chinese people seem usually more from China's political elite who are quietly moving their money to the West, their children might go to art college and their life is going to expensive restaurants.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    They should have stuck to women of ill repute like Truss and cosmopolitan, r-selected, bastard-spawning mutts like BoJo. It's a mistake to put an obviously alien face on the regime, when so many willing passables would serve.

    Having an Indian PM will only increase the pressure to have a black one. They will need to mix it up - it wouldn't do to have a string of Indian ones , and color-signaling compels them.

    How long before a black PM starts using the word "racist", or before Sunak himself is caught using it? Or before they start lecturing about colonialism?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sher singh, @Coconuts

  183. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...For the sake of consistency
     
    You are in no position to talk about consistency - we reminded you many times that Nato invaded Serbia to make Kosovo independent. It happened first, in the spring of 1999. To this day it is quietly celebrated in the West.

    Your response previously was that you didn't agree with it. Fine, but you are not a decision maker - the decision makers in Nato are the same people who invaded Serbia. Kiev by totally aligning with Nato - don't argue that point, it is obvious - literally owns the Kosovo precedent. What goes around, comes around. The road to this war started with Nato attack on Serbia. Self-determination by force is valid for all or for none.

    Until that is resolved all this talk about 'invasion' and 'change of borders in Europe' is hollow. You can't complain when others do what you did first.

    Replies: @AP

    You are in no position to talk about consistency – we reminded you many times that Nato invaded Serbia

    I was opposed to NATO action in Serbia, so I am consistent.

    I was wondering about AnoninTN’s personal opinion. If rebellion in Donbas and bombing Kiev and Kharkiv for purposes of removing Donbas are ok, does he view the bombing of Moscow for the purpose of removing Russia from Chechnya to also be acceptable?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    The consistency has to be on a higher level - in this case among the decision makers in Nato, and consequently also their loyal allies in Kiev. What you and I think doesn't matter. You are also using the word "action", why? It was a war and and an invasion just like this one. It is a cheap propaganda device to use different terms, it only works on really stupid people.


    ...bombing of Moscow for the purpose of removing Russia from Chechnya to also be acceptable?
     
    This is where the second part of the Kosovo analogy comes into play: the winner gets to set the rules. Chechnya turned out to be too weak, or maybe not really motivated, so they lost and all their actions after the loss were termed terrorism. It happens that way all over the world in all conflicts. "Acceptable" or "justified" went out of the window the moment Nato attacked Serbia - it has been might makes right since then (again).
    , @Mikhail
    @AP


    If rebellion in Donbas and bombing Kiev and Kharkiv for purposes of removing Donbas are ok, does he view the bombing of Moscow for the purpose of removing Russia from Chechnya to also be acceptable?
     
    A rhetorically presented false equivalency.

    The 2/24/22 SMO reluctantly came about after years of patience regarding implementation of the Minsk Protocol and Ukraine's security status as in no NATO membership.

    After the first Chechen war of the 1990s, Chechnya was given considerable autonomy which in turn was taken advantage of by Chechen extremists.

    After the second Chechen war, Chechnya once again became a secure part of Russia - something that can very well relate to some former Ukrainian SSR land with historical, cultural and linguistic ties to Russia.
  184. @Thulean Friend
    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Dmitry, @songbird

    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    His starting position looks like this.

     

     

    Will Sunak give Braverman a position, and actually clamp down on migration? If not, Migration Realists will take shots at him for Open Borders.

    If Sunak goes full WEF, he could be the last Tory PM ever.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @A123


    If Sunak goes full WEF, he could be the last Tory PM ever.
     
    I have heard various people speculating that this is what will happen. They are likely to lose all the 'red wall' seats again at least.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mikel
    @A123


    Will Sunak give Braverman a position, and actually clamp down on migration?
     
    An Indian British Prime Minister hiring another Indian to clamp down on immigration to the UK sounds funny but well, if that's what it takes, why not?

    Replies: @A123

  185. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    You have a right to question certain things. But there is a fine line. You can question what kind of assistance to deliver and how it is used, but I don’t think you can question internal policies (since the decision has already been made by the West to help). At least not with the paternalistic tone that you do. Things have gone too far and the war needs to run its course now. The Russians chose to be there. When you walk into a country with weapons in your hands in order to murder you have already chosen your destiny.
     
    Certainly a pushy bastard, this one.

    Of course, it's very easy to strike such a confident tone when you think you're set to win.

    I expect he'll be singing a very different tune if it turns out he's set to lose.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    LOL.

    Come on, when has the West not been consulted (nevermind the screaming on Twitter, those are just all sorts of public reactions)? Of course, the West will be closely consulted and heard out going forward as well. Reconstruction will be a common effort.

  186. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are in no position to talk about consistency – we reminded you many times that Nato invaded Serbia
     
    I was opposed to NATO action in Serbia, so I am consistent.

    I was wondering about AnoninTN’s personal opinion. If rebellion in Donbas and bombing Kiev and Kharkiv for purposes of removing Donbas are ok, does he view the bombing of Moscow for the purpose of removing Russia from Chechnya to also be acceptable?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    The consistency has to be on a higher level – in this case among the decision makers in Nato, and consequently also their loyal allies in Kiev. What you and I think doesn’t matter. You are also using the word “action“, why? It was a war and and an invasion just like this one. It is a cheap propaganda device to use different terms, it only works on really stupid people.

    …bombing of Moscow for the purpose of removing Russia from Chechnya to also be acceptable?

    This is where the second part of the Kosovo analogy comes into play: the winner gets to set the rules. Chechnya turned out to be too weak, or maybe not really motivated, so they lost and all their actions after the loss were termed terrorism. It happens that way all over the world in all conflicts. “Acceptable” or “justified” went out of the window the moment Nato attacked Serbia – it has been might makes right since then (again).

  187. @songbird
    @AP

    In one of those old cemeteries near Boston Common, there is a grave that has the name "Increase" on it.

    Replies: @Finn

    And what about Increase Mather? What about his son Cotton? My family name sake.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Finn

    Seem to have been a whole slew of "Increases" in the area. IMO, they'd be an interesting group to study.

    I'm kind of disappointed that Increase Mather only had one son, and not 16 children (presuming the records are complete.)

    I'd guess the Quebecois were more fertile.

  188. @A123
    @Thulean Friend


    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.
     
    His starting position looks like this.

     
    https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/10/Screen-Shot-2022-10-20-at-12.14.56-PM.png
     

    Will Sunak give Braverman a position, and actually clamp down on migration? If not, Migration Realists will take shots at him for Open Borders.

    If Sunak goes full WEF, he could be the last Tory PM ever.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

    If Sunak goes full WEF, he could be the last Tory PM ever.

    I have heard various people speculating that this is what will happen. They are likely to lose all the ‘red wall’ seats again at least.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts

    You are naïve. I am not sure such a thing as fair elections exists (even if it ever existed, which is a big if). US elections of 2020 showed that the results are determined by fraud, how the electorate votes is irrelevant.

  189. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are in no position to talk about consistency – we reminded you many times that Nato invaded Serbia
     
    I was opposed to NATO action in Serbia, so I am consistent.

    I was wondering about AnoninTN’s personal opinion. If rebellion in Donbas and bombing Kiev and Kharkiv for purposes of removing Donbas are ok, does he view the bombing of Moscow for the purpose of removing Russia from Chechnya to also be acceptable?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    If rebellion in Donbas and bombing Kiev and Kharkiv for purposes of removing Donbas are ok, does he view the bombing of Moscow for the purpose of removing Russia from Chechnya to also be acceptable?

    A rhetorically presented false equivalency.

    The 2/24/22 SMO reluctantly came about after years of patience regarding implementation of the Minsk Protocol and Ukraine’s security status as in no NATO membership.

    After the first Chechen war of the 1990s, Chechnya was given considerable autonomy which in turn was taken advantage of by Chechen extremists.

    After the second Chechen war, Chechnya once again became a secure part of Russia – something that can very well relate to some former Ukrainian SSR land with historical, cultural and linguistic ties to Russia.

  190. ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  191. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    I did not know that Iran was running Ukie-stan, though that does makes sense.
     
    Iran running Ukraine? You really are 100% a strange conspiracy nutter.

    https://www.toonpool.com/user/82/files/iran_downs_ukrainian_flight__3503455.jpg

    Replies: @Mikhail

    On who is running Ukraine:

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail

    Do you really believe that this guy is running Ukraine? Really?

    Not-The-President Biden cannot even walk away from a podium. There is no leadership there.

    PEACE 😇

    https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1575902223246278666?s=20

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Last that I heard it was democratically elected Zelensky that was the president in Ukraine. Here's the blood stained dictator from the north that's trying to run Ukraine. He's ruining his own country in able to do so and somehow I don't think that he's going to succeed:

    https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/stg022822dAPR.jpg?w=620

    Replies: @Mikhail

  192. in order to minimize the load on this thread, please continue to restrict your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

    — Ron Unz

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I've been doing the former. I'll restrict even less.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  193. @Emil Nikola Richard

    in order to minimize the load on this thread, please continue to restrict your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

    — Ron Unz
     

    Replies: @Mikhail

    I’ve been doing the former. I’ll restrict even less.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    You might notice I did not @ you.

    Apparently you chose to illustrate the words of Malcom X: when you throw a rock at a pack of dogs the one that yelps is the one who got hit.

    Kanye West and Lex Friedman arguing about jews.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AWLcxTGZPA

    Dreadful as foreground. As background it is the most hilarious thing all week.

  194. @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I've been doing the former. I'll restrict even less.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You might notice I did not @ you.

    Apparently you chose to illustrate the words of Malcom X: when you throw a rock at a pack of dogs the one that yelps is the one who got hit.

    Kanye West and Lex Friedman arguing about jews.

    Dreadful as foreground. As background it is the most hilarious thing all week.

  195. @Thulean Friend
    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Dmitry, @songbird

    demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    Lol, talk about making a virtue out of necessity.

    Of course, given the choice, they’d happily take the national strength that China has achieved; it’s simply that, being less competent, they haven’t (and perhaps – certainly it is to be hoped – they never will).

    And also of course, it is white stupidity and apathy that has enabled the infiltration, rather than the ingenuity of hindoo wiles. Even wokesters are more likely to characterize interactions with pajeets as “repellant” than “charming.”

    And also also of course, none but a pajeet would celebrate any of this. It’s interesting how subdued the “first Indian PM!” reaction has been. If it were the “first black PM!” Britcucks would be fainting from the ecstasy.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @silviosilver

    Nobody hates Punjabis or thinks they're pajeets.
    Stay butthurt balkanoid faggot,

    When it comes down to everything being counted,
    All you did was christianize europe & impart whites genes on the Turks.

    Lit harem of monotheism.

    , @Wokechoke
    @silviosilver

    A good example of this was the career and biography of Imran Khan. Educated in an excellent private school in Worcestershire he was basically an Englishman. He became the legendary captain of the Pakistan cricket team. When he turned to politics he moved to his motherland and played his part as a man there. He could have easily been a cabinet minister in the UK or even a PM. But he was a decent enough gentleman to have his second career where he could do most good for his kind.

    Sunak is a walking talking insult.

  196. @Thulean Friend
    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Dmitry, @songbird

    I don’t really know much about Rishi Sunak, but is this guy really “Indian” in a deep seated way or is his true loyalty to the international system which makes him filthy rich?
    Is the guy anything but another interchangeable deracinated “citizen of the world” when one gets down to it?

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa

    Filthy rich people of any origin have only one loyalty: to their money

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Barbarossa

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/25/controversial-firm-linked-to-rishi-sunak-among-those-allowed-to-set-global-anti-corruption-agenda-by-world-economic-forum/

    https://kreately.in/would-be-british-pm-rishi-sunaks-family-runs-a-china-linked-world-economic-forum-partner-company-pushing-digital-id-and-social-credit-scores/

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/19/rishi-sunak-bank-of-england-digital-currency-uk-brexit-eu

    Voilà !

    🙂

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  197. @A123
    @Thulean Friend


    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.
     
    His starting position looks like this.

     
    https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/10/Screen-Shot-2022-10-20-at-12.14.56-PM.png
     

    Will Sunak give Braverman a position, and actually clamp down on migration? If not, Migration Realists will take shots at him for Open Borders.

    If Sunak goes full WEF, he could be the last Tory PM ever.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

    Will Sunak give Braverman a position, and actually clamp down on migration?

    An Indian British Prime Minister hiring another Indian to clamp down on immigration to the UK sounds funny but well, if that’s what it takes, why not?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel


    An Indian British Prime Minister hiring another Indian to clamp down on immigration to the UK sounds funny but well, if that’s what it takes, why not?
     
    It actually makes sense if you consider it this way:

    An Infidel British Prime Minister hiring another Infidel to clamp down on Muslim immigration...

    We will find out Sunak's picks shortly. Even if he selects Braverman, will she have the necessary authority to:

    • Restart the "Stay in Africa" plan
    • Withdraw from (or openly defy) the ECHR

    It is helpful to have such visible measures. We will know within the first 30 days if Sunak is serious. Or, if his destiny is to be outlived by a lettuce.
    ___

    The same thing could have worked in France. Infidel Zemmour would have attempted to follow through on his migration campaign points. "Could he beat France's deep state?", is much less clear.

    Zemmour would outperform Macron. Of course, that is not a very high bar.

    PEACE 😇

  198. @Thulean Friend
    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Dmitry, @songbird

    South Asian guys like you are more loquacious and sociable. Chinese males are dorkier especially around white women who dominate the discourse in the West.

    You can’t really have a show bobs and vegenes thing with Chinese guys because they don’t have that confidence,

    • LOL: Bashibuzuk
  199. @Thulean Friend
    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Dmitry, @songbird

    I doubt there is kind of “national conspiracy” of Indian immigrants to conquer the Western governments. Especially as the Indian immigrants are often from Africa or other areas of the British empire, not even directly from India. The parents of UK’s new leader are Hindus from Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishi_Sunak

    Indian and Chinese immigrants are both flooding the West. Indian immigrants are often higher income and more ambitious than Chinese immigrants, so it was likely they would have the leader of a Western country before the Chinese immigrants. Although there was a Chinese-American who was presidential candidate in America in 2020.

    There a lot of wealthy Chinese immigrants hiding in the West, but the wealthy Chinese people seem usually more from China’s political elite who are quietly moving their money to the West, their children might go to art college and their life is going to expensive restaurants.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Dmitry


    The parents of UK’s new leader are Hindus from Africa
     
    Kamala's grand parents as well.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-25/how-kamala-harris-indian-family-shaped-her-political-career
  200. @German_reader
    @LatW


    in your own country centers where Ukrainian refugees live are being burned down, probably either by local Russians or AfD supporters
     
    I don't exclude the possibility that this happened, but unless it's proven, it could be just as well a hoax, like many other alleged neo-Nazi attacks here (not that there haven't been acts of violence, even murders, by neo-Nazis, especially in the 1990s and early 2000s, but there is also a long, long history of stories that turned out to be utterly fake, but were nevertheless promoted by the media, to justify the repression against any right-wing opposion, no matter how tame). It's typical though that this is eagerly taken up and made a big stoy by Visegrad 24 and the like, yet more evidence that there is no common ground with the "based" Eastern Euros.

    but this is definitely an instrument of yours to use to push Eastern Euros around.
     
    Then leave. Frankly, as far as the Baltic states are concerned, you are nothing but a huge liability, in retrospect it's absolutely clear that you should have never been admitted to either the EU or to NATO. You contribute nothing of worth, your only function is so that the very worst kind of American hegemonist can point to your statelets as evidence that their preferred policies enjoy support in Europe (which they actually don't among most of the pre-1990 members of NATO, nor among many other Eastern Europeans).

    Nationalism for me, but not for thee.
     
    No, it's exactly the reverse. You think you're entitled to unconditional Western support for your little ethno-projects (including even bizarre larping like "Perun give us strength") and for your manic hatreds, but you make zero effort to consider any wider interests and you readily resort to tactics of moral blackmail which are only reinforcing the ruling narratives. Terrible deal from any perspective.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @Dmitry

    Lol the danger of writing German as the first word of your username. Now for all your internet life, foreigners will interact with you as the representative of the German nation or the German government.

    And after time you couldn’t avoid it. There is statement to “LatW” to exit the EU, like we are seeing important decisions about the future of Latvia from a difficult discussion between Olaf Scholz and (I have to search for the leader of Latvia) Egils Levits.

  201. @AP
    @Matra


    I’m noticing a drop in sympathy from Western Europeans who communicate online in English and French for these supposedly based Central/Eastern European countries like Poland.
     
    A combination of the phenomenon of useful-for-Russia idiots who see a savior in Putin and therefore hatred for his enemies, and resentment of peoples who are superior to them and highlight their own faults. Peoples who actually fight for their homelands rather than invite in invaders who displace them, peoples who demand money rather than give it to those who replace them in their own lands, peoples who retain a high level of physical beauty that has been fading among the Westerners, etc.

    In other news nearly 630k Ukrainians have applied for temporary resident status – in Canada
     
    I'd guess most of the ones in Germany and Poland will return (my own have come back in summer to central Ukraine from the Rhineland where they went in March when Russians were threatening Kiev and Zhytomir) but most of the ones in North America will stay: it is further away and more difficult to come back. Though by no means will they all stay, many husbands and brothers have remained in Ukraine so there is a reason to return.

    Be careful, it will take longer for Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites, with all of those young Eastern Europeans refugees boosting the European population.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Dmitry

    peoples who demand money rather than give it to those

    Poor countries “demanding money” from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries and negative for the rich countries?

    Because rich countries of Western Europe which have successful economy have given more than $100 billion to Poland, this is something you see as positive about Poland? Not the other way? So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar, who has the productive society and the hardworking population that allows them to give to the beggar?

    those who replace them in their own lands

    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly. It’s not some kind of indicator of success for the origin country of the emigrants that it produces this migration direction, but it is indicator of the success of the destination country that people go there to “upgrade their life”.

    Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites

    Emigration of Eastern Europeans to Canada will surely merge to the immigrants from India and China, more than helping to recreate the anglosaxon history or British empire. It’s increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry


    There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly.
     
    This is destructive to both sides.

    Recipient Nations / Western Europe

    Native workers in Western European countries have their wages undercut by the massive flows if Schengen migration.

    • What is the total for premature workforce exit "Early Retirement + Disability + Unemployment"?
    • What has happened to the government budget for assistance to natives?
    ___

    Donor Nations / Eastern Europe

    Lose population in the critical band of young adults that generate family formation and children. Thus is an incredibly dangerous, long-term threat to both culture and sovereignty.

    The smallest nations are undergoing a 'brain drain' vicious cycle. When businesses cannot hire locally, they send work over the border. When workers cannot find jobs locally they go over the border. Repeat.
    ___

    The only winners in the EU ponzi scheme are Bankers, MegaCorporations, and other European Elites.

    rich countries of Western Europe which have successful economy have given more than $100 billion to Poland
     
    Looking only at the "Government »» Government" line item is very misleading.

    How much value have Recipient Nations (Western Europeans) extracted from Poland and transferred back to their Elite institutions? This number is vastly higher than the mere $100B.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly.
     
    I heard one commentator (Ed West) say that Poland is predicted to have a higher GDP per capita than the UK in 15 years time. I'm not sure how accurate the prediction is, but the continued rise of the Poland and decline of the UK due to Brazilification effects doesn't seem impossible.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    Poor countries “demanding money” from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries
     
    It depends on the nature and context of the demands.

    If Germany chooses to give away hundreds of $ millions to non-European “refugees” it is good of a European people to divert some of the Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population replacement project, towards other Europeans for a change.


    So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar

     

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

    There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe
     
    No, it’s not because life is necessarily better but because more money can be made and some people sacrifice years of their lives in order to provide better material circumstances for their families. Poland is a very nice and pleasant place but incomes are a lot higher in the West so some people move there.

    It’s increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

     

    It depends on who emigrates. It will be like Singapore if it’s a massive wave of Chinese and South Asians. Parts that have been flooded already, have earned the nickname Hongcouver. In this city the middle and upper classes are mostly well dressed Chinese from Hong Kong, with some Whites and upper caste Indians and Sikhs mixed in. There is a large mass of mostly White, and a few Native, heroin junkies. The district with junkies has much more pre-Asian people (of native European and native Indian descent) than the nicer parts of the city. Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans, who have joined the native Indians in the impoverished margins.*

    There aren’t enough Balkan and Lebanese immigrants to make Canada another Lebanon or Balkans.

    Mass Ukrainian immigration wouldn’t save Canada’s British heritage (the Anglo Canadians have chosen to destroy it themselves, as Anglos do), but would at least keep the place more European.

    *At least, this is the impression I got from spending a few days in downtown Vancouver, a beautiful and wealthy Chinese city, made of green and blue glass, whose Chinese residents are mostly like civilized Chinese from Hong Kong or Singapore rather than Sovok-like mainlanders, where European people and Native Indians dress in rags, use drugs and beg for money. I think there are normal Europeans living out in many of the suburbs to which they have retreated.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @sher singh, @silviosilver

  202. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    this personage did not say anything of the kind when Ukies invaded Donbass in 2014

     

    Donbas was part of Ukraine so they “invaded” their own country. However, Russians such as Girkin and Pavlov (the warlord Motorola) did invade the other country.

    Of the 13,000 dead, 10,000 were soldiers. About half of those, if not more, were Ukrainian soldiers. So you are blaming Ukraine for killing Ukrainian soldiers.

    For the sake of consistency, will you claim that Russia invaded Chechnya and that bombing Moscow and killing civilians there was an acceptable response to that “invasion?”

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    Are you saying that mass murder of your own citizens is not a crime? Parteigenosse Hitler would agree. No wonder Ukies like Nazis: kindred spirits.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    No wonder that Ukraine's fifth column likes Putler:

    https://images.news18.com/ibnlive/uploads/2022/02/putin-hitler.png

    So tell me Professor Janissar, who are the real "Nazis" within Ukraine?

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    The fact that you refused to answer the question is telling, but I’ll ask again:

    If it is acceptable to kill people in Kiev, Kharkiv etc. due to to the killing of civilians in Donbas (total of 8 in 2021), was it also acceptable to kill people in Moscow due to the killing of civilians in Grozny (10,000s).

  203. @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend

    I don't really know much about Rishi Sunak, but is this guy really "Indian" in a deep seated way or is his true loyalty to the international system which makes him filthy rich?
    Is the guy anything but another interchangeable deracinated "citizen of the world" when one gets down to it?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Bashibuzuk

    Filthy rich people of any origin have only one loyalty: to their money

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  204. @Thulean Friend
    Doesn't look like the doomsday predictions are going to come true. As usual.

    https://i.imgur.com/4HCKdpQ.jpg

    https://twitter.com/AndreasSteno/status/1584450621356134400

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Despite large industrial shutdowns and unseasonable warmth natural gas prices are still five times as high as the ten year average. The doomsday predictions have already come true.

  205. @Dmitry
    @AP


    peoples who demand money rather than give it to those
     
    Poor countries "demanding money" from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries and negative for the rich countries?

    Because rich countries of Western Europe which have successful economy have given more than $100 billion to Poland, this is something you see as positive about Poland? Not the other way? So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar, who has the productive society and the hardworking population that allows them to give to the beggar?


    those who replace them in their own lands
     
    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly. It's not some kind of indicator of success for the origin country of the emigrants that it produces this migration direction, but it is indicator of the success of the destination country that people go there to "upgrade their life".

    Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites
     
    Emigration of Eastern Europeans to Canada will surely merge to the immigrants from India and China, more than helping to recreate the anglosaxon history or British empire. It's increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

    Replies: @A123, @Coconuts, @AP

    There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly.

    This is destructive to both sides.

    Recipient Nations / Western Europe

    Native workers in Western European countries have their wages undercut by the massive flows if Schengen migration.

    • What is the total for premature workforce exit “Early Retirement + Disability + Unemployment”?
    • What has happened to the government budget for assistance to natives?
    ___

    Donor Nations / Eastern Europe

    Lose population in the critical band of young adults that generate family formation and children. Thus is an incredibly dangerous, long-term threat to both culture and sovereignty.

    The smallest nations are undergoing a ‘brain drain’ vicious cycle. When businesses cannot hire locally, they send work over the border. When workers cannot find jobs locally they go over the border. Repeat.
    ___

    The only winners in the EU ponzi scheme are Bankers, MegaCorporations, and other European Elites.

    rich countries of Western Europe which have successful economy have given more than $100 billion to Poland

    Looking only at the “Government »» Government” line item is very misleading.

    How much value have Recipient Nations (Western Europeans) extracted from Poland and transferred back to their Elite institutions? This number is vastly higher than the mere $100B.

    PEACE 😇

  206. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    On who is running Ukraine:

    https://twitter.com/AnyafromSaintP/status/1583610343871639552

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    Do you really believe that this guy is running Ukraine? Really?

    Not-The-President Biden cannot even walk away from a podium. There is no leadership there.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @A123

    He's very much a willing figurehead as he could resign as a form of protest. That he goes along on his role as president makes him culpable.

    Replies: @A123

  207. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    On who is running Ukraine:

    https://twitter.com/AnyafromSaintP/status/1583610343871639552

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    Last that I heard it was democratically elected Zelensky that was the president in Ukraine. Here’s the blood stained dictator from the north that’s trying to run Ukraine. He’s ruining his own country in able to do so and somehow I don’t think that he’s going to succeed:

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    Last that I heard it was democratically elected Zelensky that was the president in Ukraine. Here’s the blood stained dictator from the north that’s trying to run Ukraine. He’s ruining his own country in able to do so and somehow I don’t think that he’s going to succeed:

     

    You remind me of Counterpunch's ongoing demise.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/24/the-far-right-and-far-left-smear-campaign-against-ukraine/

    The above linked article disingenuously says that Vladimir Putin ditched the Minsk Protocol, while omitting the counters to that misinformed statement. Petro Poroshenko, the Kiev regime president who signed that document, has acknowledged that it was his intent to buy time as opposed to honoring the agreement. The time bought was for the Kiev regime to build up its forces for an eventual push into the rebel held Donbass territory. The Kiev regime had seven years to implement the Minsk Protocol before Russia's SMO.

    After patiently waiting for the Kiev regime to fulfill its obligation, Russia sensed what was evident to the contrary and proceeded to act accordingly.

    Poroshenko's successor Volodomyr Zelensky won on a platform calling for a negotiated end to the Donbass conflict and respecting the Russian language. There's a tape of him also saying that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people. After becoming president, Zelensky contradicted himself in a way that includes his saying that people in Ukraine who want to speak Russian and feel kinship towards Russia should leave. They should leave the land of their forefathers on account of a shyster politician?

    On another point raised, it's fair to say that the Kiev regime is a neo-Nazi influenced entity as has been discussed in detail at this and some other venues.

    Zelensky's flipflop can be reasonably attributed to the disproportionate neo-Nazi influence in Kiev regime-controlled Ukraine. Also discussed at length is how Ukraine's Commie drawn boundary brought together people with different geopolitical, cultural and linguistic preferences. The Banderite aim of having their view dominate over others is a recipe for not keeping that boundary together as a separate entity from Russia.
  208. @S
    @songbird

    I wasn't familiar with the Jones Act. Probably was as you allude for future wartime security reasons and maintaining US capability in that area as a strategically important industry.

    About all those US 'navigable rivers' Zeihan was talking about, it reminds me of this 1963 Dutch documentary I saw. It seemed the Dutch really did intensively exploit their waterways and canals like a highway system. It showed Dutch people of all ages, including both young adult men and women, piloting the barges.

    The robo ship idea is interesting. I imagine it has been studied. It would seem a robot ship, perhaps 'piloted' by an individual remotely with a console (who would also be piloting other ships simultaneously) would be a lot more readily feasible and safe for large scale shipping than drone aircraft and self driving cars and trucks.

    They need to be careful with this automation stuff. People need to be meaningfully occupied.

    The Idiocracy/pleasure orientated Brave New World/1984ish brainwashed slave world they so far seem to be creating looks like a wrong path for mankind for sure.

    https://youtu.be/gqy1dRgn7Pc

    Replies: @songbird

    That Twilight Zone episode almost seems quaint now.

    [MORE]

    Globalization and inflation have made the issue less straight forward. I see the elites as incompetents, but, if they had planned to set the stage for automation, IMO, they couldn’t have done it better.

    What I heard is that there a plants that make blue jeans in America that are completely automated now. But are they replacing American workers, or merely reshoring? From the nationalist perspective what is better, to have your textile industry based in Bangladesh or Ethiopia, or to have machines make it domestically? To have Mexican truckers drive right across the border, or to have robo-trucks? I’ll admit the answers aren’t clear to me, even as I believe that automation is the one hope of preserving lifestyles in the West.

    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve. I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve. I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.
     
    The original Trek covered this ground multiple times. Most notably, Gamesters of Triskelon.

     
    https://m0vie.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/tos-gamestersoftriskelion25.jpg
     

    I do not know who would be first. Probably, someone writing in the 1920-30's time frame, like E. E. "Doc" Smith.
    ____

    As a side note, this compendium of the first four Elric books is on sale for $1.99 (kindle version).

    Elric of Melniboné may be the original "dark brooding hero" archetype.

    PEACE 😇



    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08VJLT6RS/
    , @S
    @songbird


    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve.
     
    That's a good question. I wouldn't know. I imagen they go back quite aways.

    I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.
     
    Sounds a little bit like now with so many folks unhealthy attachment to 'social media'. Also sounds a like the 1909 short story The Machine Stops

    The story, set in a world where humanity lives underground and relies on a giant machine to provide its needs, predicted technologies similar to instant messaging and the Internet.

    The story describes a world in which most of the human population has lost the ability to live on the surface of the Earth. Each individual now lives in isolation below ground in a standard room, with all bodily and spiritual needs met by the omnipotent, global Machine. Travel is permitted, but is unpopular and rarely necessary. Communication is made via a kind of instant messaging/video conferencing machine with which people conduct their only activity: the sharing of ideas and what passes for knowledge.
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  209. @Dmitry
    @AP


    peoples who demand money rather than give it to those
     
    Poor countries "demanding money" from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries and negative for the rich countries?

    Because rich countries of Western Europe which have successful economy have given more than $100 billion to Poland, this is something you see as positive about Poland? Not the other way? So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar, who has the productive society and the hardworking population that allows them to give to the beggar?


    those who replace them in their own lands
     
    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly. It's not some kind of indicator of success for the origin country of the emigrants that it produces this migration direction, but it is indicator of the success of the destination country that people go there to "upgrade their life".

    Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites
     
    Emigration of Eastern Europeans to Canada will surely merge to the immigrants from India and China, more than helping to recreate the anglosaxon history or British empire. It's increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

    Replies: @A123, @Coconuts, @AP

    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly.

    I heard one commentator (Ed West) say that Poland is predicted to have a higher GDP per capita than the UK in 15 years time. I’m not sure how accurate the prediction is, but the continued rise of the Poland and decline of the UK due to Brazilification effects doesn’t seem impossible.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Coconuts

    Yes, if GDP per capita in both Poland and the UK maintain the same pace in the next 15 years as they have in the past 15 years they will converge.

    I was very impressed by how nice rural Poland was when I visited in April. It wasn’t only physically beautiful but also prosperous. Those villages certainly had nicer, larger, and better maintained houses than I’ve seen in rural Maine or Appalachia! I suspect rural England is also worse.

    I am told this is because a lot of the rural Polish owners had spent years working in the West and sent the money back, to build their dream homes. Eastern Poland where I was had the highest rate of such pioneers, choosing to live and work in the West which is worse in most ways but better in one way (high income) for awhile.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Dmitry
    @Coconuts

    Germany's economy is merging Poland as their lower cost production center while wealthy EU countries transfer hundreds of billions of dollars to Poland for "convergence funding".

    EU's concept is all EU countries should be viewed as a single country, which should increase equality until convergence. So, taxpayers in wealthy countries should transfer to poor countries, until there is "convergence".

    For countries like Poland, there might always be the limit for convergence to their neighbor, as the great companies, engineers and most talented workers, technology, will be mostly German (or another elite country).

    Siemens, Volkswagen, Bosch or Daimler, can outsource factories to Poland for lower costs, but the larger basis of the corporations' success is not the lower cost production area, is more related to the German engineering culture, education and management.

    There could be more space for convergence by the EU, but Poland will perhaps not go to German levels, without undermining much of the reason for the investment in Poland. (I know there is the example of the data from Ireland, but this is a small tax haven for the multinational corporations, the reduction of cost is because of the competitive tax and regulation environment, not from lower economic level).


    continued rise of the Poland and decline of the UK due to Brazilification effects doesn’t seem impossible
     
    UK's "Brazification" is importing the wealthiest people in the world and skilled gastarbeiters, with postcolonial working classes.

    Maybe there are some similar effects, but I don't think it really like the process in Brazil (which imported ordinary people, while the colonial elite became just more wealthy), although it could contribute to increasing inequality and cultural damage.

    This internationalization increasing the net wealth level in the UK and creating more of a clique of the ultra-wealthy internationalized people who are controlling the country, which the new leader is an example, although born in the Kingdom, he is married to a wealthy woman that is directly Indian.

    Maybe not such a future for the local culture, but somehow you can doubt that the wealthy of the world will be establishing in Poland. Although for all kinds of other reasons Poland could rise to 50% of UK's GDP per capita this decade?

    Replies: @Coconuts

  210. @Finn
    @songbird

    And what about Increase Mather? What about his son Cotton? My family name sake.

    Replies: @songbird

    Seem to have been a whole slew of “Increases” in the area. IMO, they’d be an interesting group to study.

    I’m kind of disappointed that Increase Mather only had one son, and not 16 children (presuming the records are complete.)

    I’d guess the Quebecois were more fertile.

  211. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Are you saying that mass murder of your own citizens is not a crime? Parteigenosse Hitler would agree. No wonder Ukies like Nazis: kindred spirits.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    No wonder that Ukraine’s fifth column likes Putler:

    So tell me Professor Janissar, who are the real “Nazis” within Ukraine?

  212. @Mikel
    @A123


    Will Sunak give Braverman a position, and actually clamp down on migration?
     
    An Indian British Prime Minister hiring another Indian to clamp down on immigration to the UK sounds funny but well, if that's what it takes, why not?

    Replies: @A123

    An Indian British Prime Minister hiring another Indian to clamp down on immigration to the UK sounds funny but well, if that’s what it takes, why not?

    It actually makes sense if you consider it this way:

    An Infidel British Prime Minister hiring another Infidel to clamp down on Muslim immigration…

    We will find out Sunak’s picks shortly. Even if he selects Braverman, will she have the necessary authority to:

    • Restart the “Stay in Africa” plan
    • Withdraw from (or openly defy) the ECHR

    It is helpful to have such visible measures. We will know within the first 30 days if Sunak is serious. Or, if his destiny is to be outlived by a lettuce.
    ___

    The same thing could have worked in France. Infidel Zemmour would have attempted to follow through on his migration campaign points. “Could he beat France’s deep state?”, is much less clear.

    Zemmour would outperform Macron. Of course, that is not a very high bar.

    PEACE 😇

  213. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Last that I heard it was democratically elected Zelensky that was the president in Ukraine. Here's the blood stained dictator from the north that's trying to run Ukraine. He's ruining his own country in able to do so and somehow I don't think that he's going to succeed:

    https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/stg022822dAPR.jpg?w=620

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Last that I heard it was democratically elected Zelensky that was the president in Ukraine. Here’s the blood stained dictator from the north that’s trying to run Ukraine. He’s ruining his own country in able to do so and somehow I don’t think that he’s going to succeed:

    You remind me of Counterpunch’s ongoing demise.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/24/the-far-right-and-far-left-smear-campaign-against-ukraine/

    The above linked article disingenuously says that Vladimir Putin ditched the Minsk Protocol, while omitting the counters to that misinformed statement. Petro Poroshenko, the Kiev regime president who signed that document, has acknowledged that it was his intent to buy time as opposed to honoring the agreement. The time bought was for the Kiev regime to build up its forces for an eventual push into the rebel held Donbass territory. The Kiev regime had seven years to implement the Minsk Protocol before Russia’s SMO.

    After patiently waiting for the Kiev regime to fulfill its obligation, Russia sensed what was evident to the contrary and proceeded to act accordingly.

    Poroshenko’s successor Volodomyr Zelensky won on a platform calling for a negotiated end to the Donbass conflict and respecting the Russian language. There’s a tape of him also saying that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people. After becoming president, Zelensky contradicted himself in a way that includes his saying that people in Ukraine who want to speak Russian and feel kinship towards Russia should leave. They should leave the land of their forefathers on account of a shyster politician?

    On another point raised, it’s fair to say that the Kiev regime is a neo-Nazi influenced entity as has been discussed in detail at this and some other venues.

    Zelensky’s flipflop can be reasonably attributed to the disproportionate neo-Nazi influence in Kiev regime-controlled Ukraine. Also discussed at length is how Ukraine’s Commie drawn boundary brought together people with different geopolitical, cultural and linguistic preferences. The Banderite aim of having their view dominate over others is a recipe for not keeping that boundary together as a separate entity from Russia.

  214. @A123
    @Mikhail

    Do you really believe that this guy is running Ukraine? Really?

    Not-The-President Biden cannot even walk away from a podium. There is no leadership there.

    PEACE 😇

    https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1575902223246278666?s=20

    Replies: @Mikhail

    He’s very much a willing figurehead as he could resign as a form of protest. That he goes along on his role as president makes him culpable.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail



    Do you really believe that this guy is running Ukraine? Really? Not-The-President Biden cannot even walk away from a podium. There is no leadership there.
     
    He’s very much a willing figurehead as he could resign as a form of protest. That he goes along on his role as president makes him culpable.
     
    The Veggie-In-Chief can only resign if he knows he is theoretically President. Based on his cognitive performance, I suspect he does NOT know. He is that far gone.
    ___

    Mike_from_Russia shared this in #199. Start at 1:14 if the auto advance does not work.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-199/#comment-5613131

    https://youtu.be/LLTyFMxgpCI?t=74

    It is much more on target as to who is running Zelensky's regime.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

  215. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Are you saying that mass murder of your own citizens is not a crime? Parteigenosse Hitler would agree. No wonder Ukies like Nazis: kindred spirits.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    The fact that you refused to answer the question is telling, but I’ll ask again:

    If it is acceptable to kill people in Kiev, Kharkiv etc. due to to the killing of civilians in Donbas (total of 8 in 2021), was it also acceptable to kill people in Moscow due to the killing of civilians in Grozny (10,000s).

    • Agree: sher singh
    • LOL: Mikhail
  216. @songbird
    @S

    That Twilight Zone episode almost seems quaint now.

    Globalization and inflation have made the issue less straight forward. I see the elites as incompetents, but, if they had planned to set the stage for automation, IMO, they couldn't have done it better.

    What I heard is that there a plants that make blue jeans in America that are completely automated now. But are they replacing American workers, or merely reshoring? From the nationalist perspective what is better, to have your textile industry based in Bangladesh or Ethiopia, or to have machines make it domestically? To have Mexican truckers drive right across the border, or to have robo-trucks? I'll admit the answers aren't clear to me, even as I believe that automation is the one hope of preserving lifestyles in the West.

    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve. I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.

    Replies: @A123, @S

    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve. I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.

    The original Trek covered this ground multiple times. Most notably, Gamesters of Triskelon.

     

     

    I do not know who would be first. Probably, someone writing in the 1920-30’s time frame, like E. E. “Doc” Smith.
    ____

    As a side note, this compendium of the first four Elric books is on sale for $1.99 (kindle version).

    Elric of Melniboné may be the original “dark brooding hero” archetype.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: songbird
  217. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    Why stop at half-truth, and not tell the whole story? Right after this personage made his Ukie-style remarks RT stopped working with this scum. This was announced by Simonyan.

    Replies: @sudden death

    RT stopped working with

    Haven’t seen anything about him being fired officially, the only thing regarding terminating his work was Simonyan quite vaguely writing “at the current moment Ï’m suspending our cooperation” (На данный момент я останавливаю наше сотрудничество), which could be interpreted widely or narrowly if one wishes, but imho we”ll see or hear him again quite soon in Kremlin’s various brand medias.

    https://t.me/margaritasimonyan/12361

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @sudden death

    The Russian government is also looking into his views falling in line with being extremist.

    https://www.rt.com/news/565236-rt-host-krasovsky-investigated/

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

  218. @Dmitry
    @AP


    peoples who demand money rather than give it to those
     
    Poor countries "demanding money" from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries and negative for the rich countries?

    Because rich countries of Western Europe which have successful economy have given more than $100 billion to Poland, this is something you see as positive about Poland? Not the other way? So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar, who has the productive society and the hardworking population that allows them to give to the beggar?


    those who replace them in their own lands
     
    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly. It's not some kind of indicator of success for the origin country of the emigrants that it produces this migration direction, but it is indicator of the success of the destination country that people go there to "upgrade their life".

    Canada to become an Indian-Chinese homeland (Singapore North) where Anglo servants kowtow before their new Chinese and Hindu elites
     
    Emigration of Eastern Europeans to Canada will surely merge to the immigrants from India and China, more than helping to recreate the anglosaxon history or British empire. It's increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

    Replies: @A123, @Coconuts, @AP

    Poor countries “demanding money” from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries

    It depends on the nature and context of the demands.

    If Germany chooses to give away hundreds of $ millions to non-European “refugees” it is good of a European people to divert some of the Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population replacement project, towards other Europeans for a change.

    So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

    There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe

    No, it’s not because life is necessarily better but because more money can be made and some people sacrifice years of their lives in order to provide better material circumstances for their families. Poland is a very nice and pleasant place but incomes are a lot higher in the West so some people move there.

    It’s increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

    It depends on who emigrates. It will be like Singapore if it’s a massive wave of Chinese and South Asians. Parts that have been flooded already, have earned the nickname Hongcouver. In this city the middle and upper classes are mostly well dressed Chinese from Hong Kong, with some Whites and upper caste Indians and Sikhs mixed in. There is a large mass of mostly White, and a few Native, heroin junkies. The district with junkies has much more pre-Asian people (of native European and native Indian descent) than the nicer parts of the city. Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans, who have joined the native Indians in the impoverished margins.*

    There aren’t enough Balkan and Lebanese immigrants to make Canada another Lebanon or Balkans.

    Mass Ukrainian immigration wouldn’t save Canada’s British heritage (the Anglo Canadians have chosen to destroy it themselves, as Anglos do), but would at least keep the place more European.

    *At least, this is the impression I got from spending a few days in downtown Vancouver, a beautiful and wealthy Chinese city, made of green and blue glass, whose Chinese residents are mostly like civilized Chinese from Hong Kong or Singapore rather than Sovok-like mainlanders, where European people and Native Indians dress in rags, use drugs and beg for money. I think there are normal Europeans living out in many of the suburbs to which they have retreated.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    Vancouver.. Sovok

     

    Although much of the property wealth in Vancouver will not be so far from the Chinese Communist Party and a lot closer to it, than the ordinary Chinese people living in China. They are often children of the political elite in China, as the wealth in China and the connection to the communist party are not so uncorrelated. I posted the link a bit for repetitive, but to apologize for the repetition, remember the great report on YouTube about the movement of wealth from China to Vancouver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpx.

    would at least keep the place more European.
     
    It depends what kind of "European". Ukraine is between Sierra Leone and Zambia in the corruption perceptions index.

    Obviously, Canada filters immigrants, so there will be reduction of such cultural transfer by immigrants, but for EU, which introduces the open border system. EU citizens would have open borders, without filtration, from this zone of geographical Europe which is exactly not culturally the brand image of "enlightened Europe".


    life is necessarily better but because more money can be made
     
    Life generally is really better, which is not to say life in Poland is below average in the world concept. In Western Europe you can be unemployed and you still have a comfortable life, with money to relax in a cafe every day. There not many places for immigrants, than Western Europe, that can be so comfortable, wealthy, luxury and easy. There is a reason a significant part of the world is trying to live there.

    Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population
     
    It's not like Poland is the least "anti-German" population for German taxpayers to give money to fund. You know the most rapid way to make a stereotypically culture habituated Polish people angry with them. Say "Poles are similar to Russians". And the second most rapid way? "Poles are similar to Germans".

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

     

    This could be argued if the money was only from Germany, but the convergence funding is from UK, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden. For many years, the taxpayers of all the wealthy EU countries, have been used for the convergence funding, which Poland is the greatest receiver.


    https://i.imgur.com/uoGkp44.jpg

    It's not Netherlands or United Kingdom, are responsible for the crimes of Hitler. They lost large part of London fighting against Hitler, which began as the response for Germany's invasion of Poland, while Hitler had always wanted and expected peace with the Kingdom.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    , @sher singh
    @AP

    Your racialism and zero-sum thinking will get you punched in Canada.
    People immigrating, paying taxes & working isn't genocide & forced conversion ala Natives.
    ---
    Self-referencing as European is a Ukrainian or Balkanoid thing.
    Both places without much of a history outside Turkish harems.

    https://dharmicreality.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/mapping-the-western-right-from-a-varnashrama-lens/


    This “Nazi” faction mostly ignore caste differences and focus on the racial aspects (Shudras of whatever race, being at the lowest end of the caste ladder, prefer to ignore their lowly caste status within their race and focus on other aspects).
     
    You should show some class, and stfu. English Canada is mostly Scottish not Anglo.
    Hongcouver is a playful nickname, go back to worshipping Germans & their poo inspection toilets.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945650720026267658/1034666218554142721/unknown-144.png

    Replies: @AP

    , @silviosilver
    @AP


    Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans,
     
    Lol, as I never tire of pointing out, the racial bullshit never ceases with this mendacious worm.

    The "cycle continues", you see. It's just a natural part of the rhythm of life. Has nothing to do with, you know, deliberate fucking policy.

    I must say it's interesting the way AP gets off on taunting the very people he is most relying on to aid his precious Ukraine. The extreme butthurt he feels - let's face it, it's gotta hurt for a prideful Uke to think his country could soon be outclassed by even the lowly pajeets of hindoostan - makes him say very weird and very spiteful things.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AP, @LatW, @Wokechoke

  219. @Mikhail
    @A123

    He's very much a willing figurehead as he could resign as a form of protest. That he goes along on his role as president makes him culpable.

    Replies: @A123

    Do you really believe that this guy is running Ukraine? Really? Not-The-President Biden cannot even walk away from a podium. There is no leadership there.

    He’s very much a willing figurehead as he could resign as a form of protest. That he goes along on his role as president makes him culpable.

    The Veggie-In-Chief can only resign if he knows he is theoretically President. Based on his cognitive performance, I suspect he does NOT know. He is that far gone.
    ___

    Mike_from_Russia shared this in #199. Start at 1:14 if the auto advance does not work.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-199/#comment-5613131

    It is much more on target as to who is running Zelensky’s regime.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123

    Ofc, there are legitimate questions about who is running our "regimes" (clearly, some have more influence than they should), but about the cartoon -- if this is how the Russians (rossiyane) now want to view Ukrainians, then so be it (we already knew how the Russian Jews who made this cartoon view all EE gentiles so there are no surprises there). It just means there will never be friendship again for generations. But this cartoon is not even accurate - the door is not closed on the EU, since Olaf Scholz just yesterday, when speaking of generating a new Marshall plan for Ukraine, mentioned the possibility of the EU membership for Ukraine. If Scholz said that, then it is meaningful and has some weight now.

    Second, those Soviet monuments that are featured in the video: at least one of those monuments that have the Ukrainian colors painted over it, that was done by the locals, not the Ukrainian refugees. A bunch of locals in one EE country painted Ukrainian colors over a Soviet monument to protest Russia's invasion into Ukraine.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

  220. @songbird
    @S

    That Twilight Zone episode almost seems quaint now.

    Globalization and inflation have made the issue less straight forward. I see the elites as incompetents, but, if they had planned to set the stage for automation, IMO, they couldn't have done it better.

    What I heard is that there a plants that make blue jeans in America that are completely automated now. But are they replacing American workers, or merely reshoring? From the nationalist perspective what is better, to have your textile industry based in Bangladesh or Ethiopia, or to have machines make it domestically? To have Mexican truckers drive right across the border, or to have robo-trucks? I'll admit the answers aren't clear to me, even as I believe that automation is the one hope of preserving lifestyles in the West.

    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve. I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.

    Replies: @A123, @S

    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve.

    That’s a good question. I wouldn’t know. I imagen they go back quite aways.

    I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.

    Sounds a little bit like now with so many folks unhealthy attachment to ‘social media’. Also sounds a like the 1909 short story The Machine Stops

    The story, set in a world where humanity lives underground and relies on a giant machine to provide its needs, predicted technologies similar to instant messaging and the Internet.

    The story describes a world in which most of the human population has lost the ability to live on the surface of the Earth. Each individual now lives in isolation below ground in a standard room, with all bodily and spiritual needs met by the omnipotent, global Machine. Travel is permitted, but is unpopular and rarely necessary. Communication is made via a kind of instant messaging/video conferencing machine with which people conduct their only activity: the sharing of ideas and what passes for knowledge.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops

    • Thanks: A123, songbird
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @S


    Also sounds a like the 1909 short story The Machine Stops
     
    That was the one I was going to throw out there. I really like that story for it's very prescient view of where we seem to be headed; not in the technological particulars necessarily but certainly in spirit.
  221. @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly.
     
    I heard one commentator (Ed West) say that Poland is predicted to have a higher GDP per capita than the UK in 15 years time. I'm not sure how accurate the prediction is, but the continued rise of the Poland and decline of the UK due to Brazilification effects doesn't seem impossible.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    Yes, if GDP per capita in both Poland and the UK maintain the same pace in the next 15 years as they have in the past 15 years they will converge.

    I was very impressed by how nice rural Poland was when I visited in April. It wasn’t only physically beautiful but also prosperous. Those villages certainly had nicer, larger, and better maintained houses than I’ve seen in rural Maine or Appalachia! I suspect rural England is also worse.

    I am told this is because a lot of the rural Polish owners had spent years working in the West and sent the money back, to build their dream homes. Eastern Poland where I was had the highest rate of such pioneers, choosing to live and work in the West which is worse in most ways but better in one way (high income) for awhile.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    Poland is the largest beneficiary of EU funding. Between 2007 and 2013 our country received over 67 billion EUR from the EU’s budget. [....] Between 2014 and 2020 our country will jointly receive EUR 105.8 billion from the EU’s budget - EUR 72.9 billion for the cohesion policy and EUR 28.5 billion for agricultural policy. It means almost 4 billion euro more than Poland received from the previous EU budget.
     
    https://www.paih.gov.pl/why_poland/eu_funds#:~:text=Poland%20is%20the%20largest%20beneficiary,and%20the%20country's%20Eastern%20regions.

    Today, the European Commission has approved Poland’s and EU’s largest cohesion policy programme: ‘European Funds for Infrastructure, Climate and Environment 2021-2027’. EU funding under this programme will amount to more than EUR 24.1 billion (EUR 12.9 billion from the European Regional Development Fund and EUR 11.2 billion from the Cohesion Fund).
     
    https://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/en/newsroom/news/2022/10/10-06-2022-eur-24-billion-worth-of-non-repayable-grants-from-the-eu-poland-s-largest-cohesion-policy-programme-approved-by-the-european-commission

    Two South Korean companies have signed a $5.76 billion contract with Poland to export tanks and howitzers, Seoul's arms procurement agency said on Saturday, after Warsaw agreed to ramp up arms imports amid tensions with Russia.
     
    https://www.reuters.com/world/south-korea-poland-sign-58-billion-tank-howitzer-contract-2022-08-27/

    Poland has completed its negotiations with South Korea to buy close to 300 K239 Chunmoo multiple-rocket launchers, with a contract expected to be signed during next week’s visit by Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Mariusz Błaszczak to Seoul.
     
    https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/10/14/poland-to-buy-hundreds-of-s-korean-chunmoo-multiple-rocket-launchers/



    https://img.nzz.ch/2022/08/17/3e7ac764-bcd7-4fc8-8047-0a499e812fc1.jpeg

    https://www.allkpop.com/upload/2022/03/content/091507/1646856475-untitled-1.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

  222. After becoming president, Zelensky contradicted himself in a way that includes his saying that people in Ukraine who want to speak Russian and feel kinship towards Russia should leave. They should leave the land of their forefathers on account of a shyster politician?

    It’s not unusual for politicians to change some of their views and stances once they asume power. Zelensky was brought up in one of those Russian speaking families in Southern Ukraine, therefore I think that he knows more about these sorts of things than somebody born and raised in New York.

    The Banderite aim of having their view dominate over others is a recipe for not keeping that boundary together as a separate entity from Russia.

    There you go again, labeling any pro-Ukrainian point of view as being “Banderite”. This is very disingenuous of you and makes it hard to reason with people of your ilk who only see things in black and white colors. Zelensky has never been a Banderite nor is he one today.

  223. It’s not unusual for politicians to change some of their views and stances once they asume power. Zelensky was brought up in one of those Russian speaking families in Southern Ukraine, therefore I think that he know more about these sorts of things than somebody born and raised in New York.

    How rich as the the above excerpted comes from somebody born and raised in the US.

    There you go again, labeling any pro-Ukrainian point of view as being “Banderite”. This is very disingenuous of you and makes it hard to reason with people of your ilk who only see things in black and white colors. Zelensky has never been a Banderite nor is he one today.

    Zelensky is on record for saying that it’s cool to support Bandera, in line with how some North American establishment Ukes say they don’t support Bandera, while simultaneously working with known pro-Bandera folks and supporting the censorship against pro-Russian views. There’s also Zelensky’s previously mentioned flip flop on going from saying that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people and that Russian language use should be respected to the exact opposite upon becoming president – indicative of the disproportionate pro-Bandera clout in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

  224. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    RT stopped working with
     
    Haven't seen anything about him being fired officially, the only thing regarding terminating his work was Simonyan quite vaguely writing "at the current moment Ï'm suspending our cooperation" (На данный момент я останавливаю наше сотрудничество), which could be interpreted widely or narrowly if one wishes, but imho we''ll see or hear him again quite soon in Kremlin's various brand medias.

    https://t.me/margaritasimonyan/12361

    Replies: @Mikhail

    The Russian government is also looking into his views falling in line with being extremist.

    https://www.rt.com/news/565236-rt-host-krasovsky-investigated/

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikhail

    As a comparison to the Kiev regime -



    https://twitter.com/Ukraine66251776/status/1584821172424052737

    , @LatW
    @Mikhail

    This will not fool anyone. We heard everything this degenerate (who throws coke parties for his diverse male friends) and his colleagues were saying for months. They are channeling how a large part of vatniks truly feel. These vipers need to be cleaned out and real high class Russians need to be put in their place.

    Replies: @LatW

  225. @Mikhail
    @sudden death

    The Russian government is also looking into his views falling in line with being extremist.

    https://www.rt.com/news/565236-rt-host-krasovsky-investigated/

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

    As a comparison to the Kiev regime –

    [MORE]

  226. https://www.rt.com/russia/565293-motor-sich-head-arrested/

    Ukraine arrests head of aerospace giant over alleged Russia links; Vyacheslav Boguslaev, now in pre-trial detention, is suspected of supplying parts to Moscow.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If you take the word of Ukies at face value, there are two categories of Ukraine officials: agents of Putin and agents of Kremlin.

  227. Suella Braverman heading up Downing Street – she had asked to be home secretary again and source told @PippaCrerar and @breeallegretti that she will be back there

    Suella Braverman returns as home secretary

    Downing Street has announced Suella Braverman’s reappointment as home secretary, less than a week after she was forced to resign from the role.

    If you wish to be amused, open [MORE] and read the tweet replies.

    The SJW Globalists thought they had gotten rid of Braverman. Her return is causing Leftoids to totally lose their gourd.
    ___

    The Guardian has a live blog of the announcements if you are looking for a specific posting. (1)

    Why the Heck does the UK have a post for “Secretary of Levelling Up“?
    • When did this happen?
    • And, and even more important, what does this functionary do?

    Does he advance MMO Warcraft characters for the rest of the Cabinet?

      

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/oct/25/uk-politics-live-sunak-to-meet-king-charles-and-give-first-address-to-the-nation-as-pm

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Matra
    @A123


    The SJW Globalists thought they had gotten rid of Braverman. Her return is causing Leftoids to totally lose their gourd.
     
    For all we know the two Indians, Braverman and Sunak, plotted this together to expedite the Truss resignation.

    Replies: @A123

  228. @A123

    Suella Braverman heading up Downing Street - she had asked to be home secretary again and source told @PippaCrerar and @breeallegretti that she will be back there
     

    Suella Braverman returns as home secretary

    Downing Street has announced Suella Braverman’s reappointment as home secretary, less than a week after she was forced to resign from the role.
     

    If you wish to be amused, open [MORE] and read the tweet replies.

    The SJW Globalists thought they had gotten rid of Braverman. Her return is causing Leftoids to totally lose their gourd.
    ___

    The Guardian has a live blog of the announcements if you are looking for a specific posting. (1)

    Why the Heck does the UK have a post for "Secretary of Levelling Up"?
    • When did this happen?
    • And, and even more important, what does this functionary do?

    Does he advance MMO Warcraft characters for the rest of the Cabinet?

     
    https://i.etsystatic.com/12247273/r/il/9e2eb1/1687800581/il_794xN.1687800581_d2f5.jpg
     

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/oct/25/uk-politics-live-sunak-to-meet-king-charles-and-give-first-address-to-the-nation-as-pm

    https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1584925640712753153?s=20

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1584937651492093952?s=20

    Replies: @Matra

    The SJW Globalists thought they had gotten rid of Braverman. Her return is causing Leftoids to totally lose their gourd.

    For all we know the two Indians, Braverman and Sunak, plotted this together to expedite the Truss resignation.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Matra



    The SJW Globalists thought they had gotten rid of Braverman. Her return is causing Leftoids to totally lose their gourd.

     

    For all we know the two Indians, Braverman and Sunak, plotted this together to expedite the Truss resignation.
     
    Despite her ancestry, Braverman is committed to spiking a special deal for India migration. She is also friendly with Nigel Farage. There is little doubt that her departure was an intentional effort to collapse Truss. Liz was trying to increase UK migration.

    Coordination seems unlikely. Sunak is from the opposite wing. He realizes the threat of immediate undermining by the Populists. Thus, Braverman was a necessary BREXIT loyalist pick to launch things forward.

    PEACE 😇

  229. @A123
    @Mikhail



    Do you really believe that this guy is running Ukraine? Really? Not-The-President Biden cannot even walk away from a podium. There is no leadership there.
     
    He’s very much a willing figurehead as he could resign as a form of protest. That he goes along on his role as president makes him culpable.
     
    The Veggie-In-Chief can only resign if he knows he is theoretically President. Based on his cognitive performance, I suspect he does NOT know. He is that far gone.
    ___

    Mike_from_Russia shared this in #199. Start at 1:14 if the auto advance does not work.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-199/#comment-5613131

    https://youtu.be/LLTyFMxgpCI?t=74

    It is much more on target as to who is running Zelensky's regime.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    Ofc, there are legitimate questions about who is running our “regimes” (clearly, some have more influence than they should), but about the cartoon — if this is how the Russians (rossiyane) now want to view Ukrainians, then so be it (we already knew how the Russian Jews who made this cartoon view all EE gentiles so there are no surprises there). It just means there will never be friendship again for generations. But this cartoon is not even accurate – the door is not closed on the EU, since Olaf Scholz just yesterday, when speaking of generating a new Marshall plan for Ukraine, mentioned the possibility of the EU membership for Ukraine. If Scholz said that, then it is meaningful and has some weight now.

    Second, those Soviet monuments that are featured in the video: at least one of those monuments that have the Ukrainian colors painted over it, that was done by the locals, not the Ukrainian refugees. A bunch of locals in one EE country painted Ukrainian colors over a Soviet monument to protest Russia’s invasion into Ukraine.

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW


    the Russian Jews who made this cartoon
     
    Do you have any proof for this?

    Cherubs are very Old Testament. However the blonde haired, blue eyed imagery is a much later & distinctly Christian motif. There were other bits of uniquely Christian imagery.

    Pigs are an unusual choice for Jewish productions, even as a the villain. Swastikas are exceedingly inflammatory.


    view all EE gentiles so there are no surprises there). It just means there will never be friendship again for generations.
     
    The Russian Poland problem has existed for decades. It does not necessarily spread to other EE countries.

    There is no reason to believe that Russians (Christian or Jewish) dislike EE Hungary. Belarus fits most definitions of EE. Does Serbia qualify as EE?

    There is no evidence to back up your wild assertion.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW

    The cartoon, which would have been funny if it was posted last year, not funny this year, obviously has no relation to Israel.

    She's even becoming angry people are saying her cartoons are from Israel. https://t.me/s/svinkavobmoroke

  230. Boutkevich’s platform should appeal to our very own Beckow. Seriously. 🙂

  231. @Mikhail
    @sudden death

    The Russian government is also looking into his views falling in line with being extremist.

    https://www.rt.com/news/565236-rt-host-krasovsky-investigated/

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW

    This will not fool anyone. We heard everything this degenerate (who throws coke parties for his diverse male friends) and his colleagues were saying for months. They are channeling how a large part of vatniks truly feel. These vipers need to be cleaned out and real high class Russians need to be put in their place.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    And what he said was actually more misanthropic than what was translated into the Western press. When he called on murdering Ukrainian children, he was referencing the song "Plyne Kacha" (The Duckling swam), he was saying "Do it like in that song...". The song is about a mother pining after her dead son. It's a very deep, heartbreaking elegy. Seriously, does it even get worse than that...

  232. @LatW
    @Mikhail

    This will not fool anyone. We heard everything this degenerate (who throws coke parties for his diverse male friends) and his colleagues were saying for months. They are channeling how a large part of vatniks truly feel. These vipers need to be cleaned out and real high class Russians need to be put in their place.

    Replies: @LatW

    And what he said was actually more misanthropic than what was translated into the Western press. When he called on murdering Ukrainian children, he was referencing the song “Plyne Kacha” (The Duckling swam), he was saying “Do it like in that song…”. The song is about a mother pining after her dead son. It’s a very deep, heartbreaking elegy. Seriously, does it even get worse than that…

  233. @Matra
    @A123


    The SJW Globalists thought they had gotten rid of Braverman. Her return is causing Leftoids to totally lose their gourd.
     
    For all we know the two Indians, Braverman and Sunak, plotted this together to expedite the Truss resignation.

    Replies: @A123

    The SJW Globalists thought they had gotten rid of Braverman. Her return is causing Leftoids to totally lose their gourd.

    For all we know the two Indians, Braverman and Sunak, plotted this together to expedite the Truss resignation.

    Despite her ancestry, Braverman is committed to spiking a special deal for India migration. She is also friendly with Nigel Farage. There is little doubt that her departure was an intentional effort to collapse Truss. Liz was trying to increase UK migration.

    Coordination seems unlikely. Sunak is from the opposite wing. He realizes the threat of immediate undermining by the Populists. Thus, Braverman was a necessary BREXIT loyalist pick to launch things forward.

    PEACE 😇

  234. @LatW
    @A123

    Ofc, there are legitimate questions about who is running our "regimes" (clearly, some have more influence than they should), but about the cartoon -- if this is how the Russians (rossiyane) now want to view Ukrainians, then so be it (we already knew how the Russian Jews who made this cartoon view all EE gentiles so there are no surprises there). It just means there will never be friendship again for generations. But this cartoon is not even accurate - the door is not closed on the EU, since Olaf Scholz just yesterday, when speaking of generating a new Marshall plan for Ukraine, mentioned the possibility of the EU membership for Ukraine. If Scholz said that, then it is meaningful and has some weight now.

    Second, those Soviet monuments that are featured in the video: at least one of those monuments that have the Ukrainian colors painted over it, that was done by the locals, not the Ukrainian refugees. A bunch of locals in one EE country painted Ukrainian colors over a Soviet monument to protest Russia's invasion into Ukraine.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    the Russian Jews who made this cartoon

    Do you have any proof for this?

    Cherubs are very Old Testament. However the blonde haired, blue eyed imagery is a much later & distinctly Christian motif. There were other bits of uniquely Christian imagery.

    Pigs are an unusual choice for Jewish productions, even as a the villain. Swastikas are exceedingly inflammatory.

    view all EE gentiles so there are no surprises there). It just means there will never be friendship again for generations.

    The Russian Poland problem has existed for decades. It does not necessarily spread to other EE countries.

    There is no reason to believe that Russians (Christian or Jewish) dislike EE Hungary. Belarus fits most definitions of EE. Does Serbia qualify as EE?

    There is no evidence to back up your wild assertion.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    Do you have any proof for this?
     
    It's straight up obvious, in your face.

    Pigs are an unusual choice
     
    How would you like it if your people were portrayed as pigs?

    There is no reason to believe that Russians (Christian or Jewish) dislike EE Hungary. Belarus fits most definitions of EE. Does Serbia qualify as EE?
     
    I wasn't talking about those countries. But if you want to continue to be blind, it's your choice.

    Replies: @A123

  235. @A123
    @LatW


    the Russian Jews who made this cartoon
     
    Do you have any proof for this?

    Cherubs are very Old Testament. However the blonde haired, blue eyed imagery is a much later & distinctly Christian motif. There were other bits of uniquely Christian imagery.

    Pigs are an unusual choice for Jewish productions, even as a the villain. Swastikas are exceedingly inflammatory.


    view all EE gentiles so there are no surprises there). It just means there will never be friendship again for generations.
     
    The Russian Poland problem has existed for decades. It does not necessarily spread to other EE countries.

    There is no reason to believe that Russians (Christian or Jewish) dislike EE Hungary. Belarus fits most definitions of EE. Does Serbia qualify as EE?

    There is no evidence to back up your wild assertion.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    Do you have any proof for this?

    It’s straight up obvious, in your face.

    Pigs are an unusual choice

    How would you like it if your people were portrayed as pigs?

    There is no reason to believe that Russians (Christian or Jewish) dislike EE Hungary. Belarus fits most definitions of EE. Does Serbia qualify as EE?

    I wasn’t talking about those countries. But if you want to continue to be blind, it’s your choice.

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW



    Do you have any proof for this?
     
    It’s straight up obvious, in your face.
     
    It is obviously animated by someone with Christian leanings.

    This is 100% obvious. So obvious, it is in your face.


    Pigs are an unusual choice
     
    How would you like it if your people were portrayed as pigs?
     
    There is a huge back history of antisemitism tied to pig depictions. For example, the "Jew-Pig" found in Germany (1). The last thing they wasn't to do is encourage this sort of artistry.

    This is so obvious, it is in your face.



    we already knew how the Russian Jews who made this cartoon view all EE
     
    There is no reason to believe that Russians (Christian or Jewish) dislike EE Hungary. Belarus fits most definitions of EE. Does Serbia qualify as EE?
     
    I wasn’t talking about those countries. But if you want to continue to be blind, it’s your choice.
     
    You introduced the term EE. What specialized, non-standard meaning did you keep secret?

    The need to define terms that you are using should be clear. Indeed...

    This is so obvious, it is in your face.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-church-covers-anti-semitic-jew-pig-sculpture-it-was-forced-to-keep/

    Replies: @Dmitry

  236. @Thulean Friend
    Congrats to Rishi Sunak for becoming British PM. Indians are playing the long game, demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver, @Barbarossa, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Dmitry, @songbird

    They should have stuck to women of ill repute like Truss and cosmopolitan, r-selected, bastard-spawning mutts like BoJo. It’s a mistake to put an obviously alien face on the regime, when so many willing passables would serve.

    Having an Indian PM will only increase the pressure to have a black one. They will need to mix it up – it wouldn’t do to have a string of Indian ones , and color-signaling compels them.

    How long before a black PM starts using the word “racist”, or before Sunak himself is caught using it? Or before they start lecturing about colonialism?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird

    What ails you? A fitting PM for formerly great formerly Britain

    , @sher singh
    @songbird

    Only makes sense after Ireland & Portugal. Blacks & Indians occupy v dif place in Britain tbh,
    Rooftop Koreans didn't lead to a karen meltdown..


    At the unveiling, Freud, an octogenarian by this point, with advancing Alzheimer’s, kept forgetting what was going on.

    “Who are these people?” he asked Pragnell. Around the table, everyone was pretending to talk while in fact listening to what he was saying.

    “They’re officers of the household cavalry,” Pragnell replied.

    “So why is there a negro here?” Freud asked.

    You could hear a pin drop. All at once, the whole awkwardness of the regiment’s diversity experiment was dragged into the open; the fundamental weirdness of “we’ve got two women and two black guys but we’re still posh” was exposed.
     
    https://unherd.com/2022/10/the-british-army-has-a-class-problem/

    He'd probably tell war stories of fighting beside Sikhs, OTOH.
    , @Coconuts
    @songbird


    How long before a black PM starts using the word “racist”, or before Sunak himself is caught using it? Or before they start lecturing about colonialism?
     
    After seeing some of the hostile reactions from various British race grifters and racial revolution types I can see the logic behind having him as PM.

    Senior people in the Tory party must know about the demographic issue, more obvious among the younger age groups and it is sort of baked in or inevitable now, so it is better to get out in front of it and reduce the political capital progressives can make out of race issues. This might be better for long political stability. Also he seems likely to be more competent on running the economy than Truss and Kwarteng.
  237. Would Hu have been removed, if Biden were thirty years younger?

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    It's hard to get good read. Hu "Tiger of Lhasa" Jintao probably did have Alzheimer's. He along with Li and Hu Chunhua are members of the Communist Youth League faction "Tuanpai". Both "Red Aristocrats" or Princelings (ex Xi himself) and Tuanpai were left off of PSC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princelings

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuanpai

    These are the main two factions are analogous the Qing-era Manchu-Mongol aristocrats and Han meritocratic scholar-officials. All the new PSC members came from plebeian background not in the two factions. Which is a pretty bold move for Xi.

    On PRC emigration, it's not only AUKUS and Europe. There are a million Chinese each in Japan and SK. And I don't think any Russian males tried to escape the general mobilization to China.

  238. @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    Because within the EU system, significant parts of the populations of Eastern European countries emigrate to Western Europe. There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe, often to say mildly.
     
    I heard one commentator (Ed West) say that Poland is predicted to have a higher GDP per capita than the UK in 15 years time. I'm not sure how accurate the prediction is, but the continued rise of the Poland and decline of the UK due to Brazilification effects doesn't seem impossible.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    Germany’s economy is merging Poland as their lower cost production center while wealthy EU countries transfer hundreds of billions of dollars to Poland for “convergence funding”.

    EU’s concept is all EU countries should be viewed as a single country, which should increase equality until convergence. So, taxpayers in wealthy countries should transfer to poor countries, until there is “convergence”.

    For countries like Poland, there might always be the limit for convergence to their neighbor, as the great companies, engineers and most talented workers, technology, will be mostly German (or another elite country).

    Siemens, Volkswagen, Bosch or Daimler, can outsource factories to Poland for lower costs, but the larger basis of the corporations’ success is not the lower cost production area, is more related to the German engineering culture, education and management.

    There could be more space for convergence by the EU, but Poland will perhaps not go to German levels, without undermining much of the reason for the investment in Poland. (I know there is the example of the data from Ireland, but this is a small tax haven for the multinational corporations, the reduction of cost is because of the competitive tax and regulation environment, not from lower economic level).

    continued rise of the Poland and decline of the UK due to Brazilification effects doesn’t seem impossible

    UK’s “Brazification” is importing the wealthiest people in the world and skilled gastarbeiters, with postcolonial working classes.

    Maybe there are some similar effects, but I don’t think it really like the process in Brazil (which imported ordinary people, while the colonial elite became just more wealthy), although it could contribute to increasing inequality and cultural damage.

    This internationalization increasing the net wealth level in the UK and creating more of a clique of the ultra-wealthy internationalized people who are controlling the country, which the new leader is an example, although born in the Kingdom, he is married to a wealthy woman that is directly Indian.

    Maybe not such a future for the local culture, but somehow you can doubt that the wealthy of the world will be establishing in Poland. Although for all kinds of other reasons Poland could rise to 50% of UK’s GDP per capita this decade?

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    For countries like Poland, there might always be the limit for convergence to their neighbor, as the great companies, engineers and most talented workers, technology, will be mostly German (or another elite country).
     
    Will Germany continue to be as elite in the future?

    UK’s “Brazification” is importing the wealthiest people in the world and skilled gastarbeiters, with postcolonial working classes.
     
    Afaik Brazilification is a term from the US, the French have a variant 'Algerification', where a country's social structure comes to resemble that of colonial Algeria, but it has less recognition.

    If the country contains many of the world's richest, yet its production of wealth each year will only be similar to Poland's, it seems to be an indication that an Algeria-like social structure is the future. Given the highly wealthy minority are likely to produce a disproportionate portion of this GDP, the low productivity tendency in the rest of the economy and population must be set to continue.

    Many of the gastarbeiters and their families are surely future citizens, and iirc the qualifications needed to become one are now education to age 18, nowadays this is no longer a very high level.


    Maybe not such a future for the local culture, but somehow you can doubt that the wealthy of the world will be establishing in Poland.
     
    At the moment I am unconvinced of the value of an achievement like this. Isn't it like making the status of elite country dependent on where comprador elites choose to keep their wealth?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  239. @LatW
    @A123

    Ofc, there are legitimate questions about who is running our "regimes" (clearly, some have more influence than they should), but about the cartoon -- if this is how the Russians (rossiyane) now want to view Ukrainians, then so be it (we already knew how the Russian Jews who made this cartoon view all EE gentiles so there are no surprises there). It just means there will never be friendship again for generations. But this cartoon is not even accurate - the door is not closed on the EU, since Olaf Scholz just yesterday, when speaking of generating a new Marshall plan for Ukraine, mentioned the possibility of the EU membership for Ukraine. If Scholz said that, then it is meaningful and has some weight now.

    Second, those Soviet monuments that are featured in the video: at least one of those monuments that have the Ukrainian colors painted over it, that was done by the locals, not the Ukrainian refugees. A bunch of locals in one EE country painted Ukrainian colors over a Soviet monument to protest Russia's invasion into Ukraine.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    The cartoon, which would have been funny if it was posted last year, not funny this year, obviously has no relation to Israel.

    She’s even becoming angry people are saying her cartoons are from Israel. https://t.me/s/svinkavobmoroke

    • Thanks: A123
  240. @LatW
    @A123


    Do you have any proof for this?
     
    It's straight up obvious, in your face.

    Pigs are an unusual choice
     
    How would you like it if your people were portrayed as pigs?

    There is no reason to believe that Russians (Christian or Jewish) dislike EE Hungary. Belarus fits most definitions of EE. Does Serbia qualify as EE?
     
    I wasn't talking about those countries. But if you want to continue to be blind, it's your choice.

    Replies: @A123

    Do you have any proof for this?

    It’s straight up obvious, in your face.

    It is obviously animated by someone with Christian leanings.

    This is 100% obvious. So obvious, it is in your face.

    Pigs are an unusual choice

    How would you like it if your people were portrayed as pigs?

    There is a huge back history of antisemitism tied to pig depictions. For example, the “Jew-Pig” found in Germany (1). The last thing they wasn’t to do is encourage this sort of artistry.

    This is so obvious, it is in your face.

    we already knew how the Russian Jews who made this cartoon view all EE

    There is no reason to believe that Russians (Christian or Jewish) dislike EE Hungary. Belarus fits most definitions of EE. Does Serbia qualify as EE?

    I wasn’t talking about those countries. But if you want to continue to be blind, it’s your choice.

    You introduced the term EE. What specialized, non-standard meaning did you keep secret?

    The need to define terms that you are using should be clear. Indeed…

    This is so obvious, it is in your face.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-church-covers-anti-semitic-jew-pig-sculpture-it-was-forced-to-keep/

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @A123

    It is pro-government telegram channels. A pro-government telegram channel they use to try to influence Israel has posted her cartoon. https://t.me/s/ukroterror2 Then it was viral with the informal social media/pro-government channels in Russia.

    They said it was from a far-right religious (I guess funded by American settler groups, with support for Trump) media which could have the same INN acronym in English, which reply to say they are not associated.
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/361603

    You can doubt a topic of Ukraine's hopes for EU integration and need to be "rescued by" Russian government, would be interesting for media of far-right religious Zionist settlers sitting between olive trees in the Jordan Valley and conflict with Palestinian militants.

    Replies: @A123

  241. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Poor countries “demanding money” from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries
     
    It depends on the nature and context of the demands.

    If Germany chooses to give away hundreds of $ millions to non-European “refugees” it is good of a European people to divert some of the Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population replacement project, towards other Europeans for a change.


    So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar

     

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

    There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe
     
    No, it’s not because life is necessarily better but because more money can be made and some people sacrifice years of their lives in order to provide better material circumstances for their families. Poland is a very nice and pleasant place but incomes are a lot higher in the West so some people move there.

    It’s increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

     

    It depends on who emigrates. It will be like Singapore if it’s a massive wave of Chinese and South Asians. Parts that have been flooded already, have earned the nickname Hongcouver. In this city the middle and upper classes are mostly well dressed Chinese from Hong Kong, with some Whites and upper caste Indians and Sikhs mixed in. There is a large mass of mostly White, and a few Native, heroin junkies. The district with junkies has much more pre-Asian people (of native European and native Indian descent) than the nicer parts of the city. Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans, who have joined the native Indians in the impoverished margins.*

    There aren’t enough Balkan and Lebanese immigrants to make Canada another Lebanon or Balkans.

    Mass Ukrainian immigration wouldn’t save Canada’s British heritage (the Anglo Canadians have chosen to destroy it themselves, as Anglos do), but would at least keep the place more European.

    *At least, this is the impression I got from spending a few days in downtown Vancouver, a beautiful and wealthy Chinese city, made of green and blue glass, whose Chinese residents are mostly like civilized Chinese from Hong Kong or Singapore rather than Sovok-like mainlanders, where European people and Native Indians dress in rags, use drugs and beg for money. I think there are normal Europeans living out in many of the suburbs to which they have retreated.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @sher singh, @silviosilver

    Vancouver.. Sovok

    Although much of the property wealth in Vancouver will not be so far from the Chinese Communist Party and a lot closer to it, than the ordinary Chinese people living in China. They are often children of the political elite in China, as the wealth in China and the connection to the communist party are not so uncorrelated. I posted the link a bit for repetitive, but to apologize for the repetition, remember the great report on YouTube about the movement of wealth from China to Vancouver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpx.

    would at least keep the place more European.

    It depends what kind of “European”. Ukraine is between Sierra Leone and Zambia in the corruption perceptions index.

    Obviously, Canada filters immigrants, so there will be reduction of such cultural transfer by immigrants, but for EU, which introduces the open border system. EU citizens would have open borders, without filtration, from this zone of geographical Europe which is exactly not culturally the brand image of “enlightened Europe”.

    life is necessarily better but because more money can be made

    Life generally is really better, which is not to say life in Poland is below average in the world concept. In Western Europe you can be unemployed and you still have a comfortable life, with money to relax in a cafe every day. There not many places for immigrants, than Western Europe, that can be so comfortable, wealthy, luxury and easy. There is a reason a significant part of the world is trying to live there.

    Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population

    It’s not like Poland is the least “anti-German” population for German taxpayers to give money to fund. You know the most rapid way to make a stereotypically culture habituated Polish people angry with them. Say “Poles are similar to Russians”. And the second most rapid way? “Poles are similar to Germans”.

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

    This could be argued if the money was only from Germany, but the convergence funding is from UK, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden. For many years, the taxpayers of all the wealthy EU countries, have been used for the convergence funding, which Poland is the greatest receiver.

    It’s not Netherlands or United Kingdom, are responsible for the crimes of Hitler. They lost large part of London fighting against Hitler, which began as the response for Germany’s invasion of Poland, while Hitler had always wanted and expected peace with the Kingdom.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    great report on YouTube about the movement of wealth from China to Vancouver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpx.

     

    Sorry the link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpxx4.
    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    Although much of the property wealth in Vancouver will not be so far from the Chinese Communist Party and a lot closer to it, than the ordinary Chinese people living in China
     
    Maybe so, but most of the settlers have been Hong King Chinese fleeing CCP rule and not Chinese mainlanders. These crossed the ocean with suitcases filled with cash and drove up property prices. But I’m sure that we’ll connected relatives of Chinese Communist Party officials are involved in high level speculation also.

    would at least keep the place more European.

    It depends what kind of “European”. Ukraine is between Sierra Leone and Zambia in the corruption perceptions index
     

    I think you would not confuse Lviv or Vynnytsia with Zambia or Sierra Leone :-)

    life is necessarily better but because more money can be made

    Life generally is really better, which is not to say life in Poland
     

    Life is not generally worse in Krakow than in any German city, the latter’s only real advantage is higher income and related to that better and more retail stores. This is why many Poles go to Germany to work, but send the money back to Poland where they eventually return, because Poland is a better place to be ultimately. It is architecturally no worse, arts and culture great, food and restaurants are no worse, public transportation and roads are fine, but culture is more conservative and the place isn’t flooded by non-Europeans.

    In Western Europe you can be unemployed and you still have a comfortable life, with money to relax in a cafe every day
     
    This is true, but most Poles do not aspire to be unemployed.

    For many years, the taxpayers of all the wealthy EU countries, have been used for the convergence funding, which Poland is the greatest receiver
     
    From the chart you posted, it looks like per capita Poland is far from being the biggest receiver. A lot of that money goes to back to the western EU countries in the form of Poland consuming western EU goods?

    And again, Western Europe is so generous when it comes to giving money to non-European settlers in Western Europe. There is nothing shameful about eastern Europeans diverting some money to other Europeans, instead.

    If I were a German I would rather spend money upgrading a bus system in some Polish city than building houses for Syrian settlers in my city.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  242. @Dmitry
    @AP


    Vancouver.. Sovok

     

    Although much of the property wealth in Vancouver will not be so far from the Chinese Communist Party and a lot closer to it, than the ordinary Chinese people living in China. They are often children of the political elite in China, as the wealth in China and the connection to the communist party are not so uncorrelated. I posted the link a bit for repetitive, but to apologize for the repetition, remember the great report on YouTube about the movement of wealth from China to Vancouver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpx.

    would at least keep the place more European.
     
    It depends what kind of "European". Ukraine is between Sierra Leone and Zambia in the corruption perceptions index.

    Obviously, Canada filters immigrants, so there will be reduction of such cultural transfer by immigrants, but for EU, which introduces the open border system. EU citizens would have open borders, without filtration, from this zone of geographical Europe which is exactly not culturally the brand image of "enlightened Europe".


    life is necessarily better but because more money can be made
     
    Life generally is really better, which is not to say life in Poland is below average in the world concept. In Western Europe you can be unemployed and you still have a comfortable life, with money to relax in a cafe every day. There not many places for immigrants, than Western Europe, that can be so comfortable, wealthy, luxury and easy. There is a reason a significant part of the world is trying to live there.

    Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population
     
    It's not like Poland is the least "anti-German" population for German taxpayers to give money to fund. You know the most rapid way to make a stereotypically culture habituated Polish people angry with them. Say "Poles are similar to Russians". And the second most rapid way? "Poles are similar to Germans".

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

     

    This could be argued if the money was only from Germany, but the convergence funding is from UK, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden. For many years, the taxpayers of all the wealthy EU countries, have been used for the convergence funding, which Poland is the greatest receiver.


    https://i.imgur.com/uoGkp44.jpg

    It's not Netherlands or United Kingdom, are responsible for the crimes of Hitler. They lost large part of London fighting against Hitler, which began as the response for Germany's invasion of Poland, while Hitler had always wanted and expected peace with the Kingdom.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    great report on YouTube about the movement of wealth from China to Vancouver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpx.

    Sorry the link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpxx4.

  243. “Progressives” on Russia-Ukraine – Latest Larry Johnson – RT Russian Civil War Article

    Among other things, the two shows below, go after the recent letter from “the squad”, which in actuality pretty much goes along with faulty neocon talking points:

    Not the kind of CIA experienced insight you get on CNN and MSNBC:

    In totality, the below RT article on the Russian Civil War goes against the simplistically inaccurate portrayal of the Whites getting foreign support to fight the Reds.

    Some key factors are notably omitted. They include the roles of Josef Pilsudski and Lloyd George, regarding Polish and Brit actions. Further below are my three articles concerning the two.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/565149-end-of-russian-civil-war/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    https://strategic-culture.org/news/2017/03/22/reexamining-russias-past/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22052011-pavlo-skoropadsky-and-the-course-of-russian-ukrainian-relations-analysis/

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mikhail

    Not one, not two, but three useless new videos that realistically no one is going to watch. Well, I guess the page was loading too quickly, and something needed to be done about that, so thanks bro.

  244. @Mikhail
    "Progressives" on Russia-Ukraine - Latest Larry Johnson - RT Russian Civil War Article

    Among other things, the two shows below, go after the recent letter from "the squad", which in actuality pretty much goes along with faulty neocon talking points:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPqPWP6znN4&t=10s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIZl8TivyeQ

    Not the kind of CIA experienced insight you get on CNN and MSNBC:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sndR-oS7NYo

    In totality, the below RT article on the Russian Civil War goes against the simplistically inaccurate portrayal of the Whites getting foreign support to fight the Reds.

    Some key factors are notably omitted. They include the roles of Josef Pilsudski and Lloyd George, regarding Polish and Brit actions. Further below are my three articles concerning the two.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/565149-end-of-russian-civil-war/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    https://strategic-culture.org/news/2017/03/22/reexamining-russias-past/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22052011-pavlo-skoropadsky-and-the-course-of-russian-ukrainian-relations-analysis/

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Not one, not two, but three useless new videos that realistically no one is going to watch. Well, I guess the page was loading too quickly, and something needed to be done about that, so thanks bro.

    • Agree: AP
    • LOL: sudden death
  245. @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://www.rt.com/russia/565293-motor-sich-head-arrested/

    Ukraine arrests head of aerospace giant over alleged Russia links; Vyacheslav Boguslaev, now in pre-trial detention, is suspected of supplying parts to Moscow.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    If you take the word of Ukies at face value, there are two categories of Ukraine officials: agents of Putin and agents of Kremlin.

  246. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    They should have stuck to women of ill repute like Truss and cosmopolitan, r-selected, bastard-spawning mutts like BoJo. It's a mistake to put an obviously alien face on the regime, when so many willing passables would serve.

    Having an Indian PM will only increase the pressure to have a black one. They will need to mix it up - it wouldn't do to have a string of Indian ones , and color-signaling compels them.

    How long before a black PM starts using the word "racist", or before Sunak himself is caught using it? Or before they start lecturing about colonialism?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    What ails you? A fitting PM for formerly great formerly Britain

  247. @Coconuts
    @A123


    If Sunak goes full WEF, he could be the last Tory PM ever.
     
    I have heard various people speculating that this is what will happen. They are likely to lose all the 'red wall' seats again at least.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    You are naïve. I am not sure such a thing as fair elections exists (even if it ever existed, which is a big if). US elections of 2020 showed that the results are determined by fraud, how the electorate votes is irrelevant.

  248. sher singh says:
    @AP
    @Dmitry


    Poor countries “demanding money” from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries
     
    It depends on the nature and context of the demands.

    If Germany chooses to give away hundreds of $ millions to non-European “refugees” it is good of a European people to divert some of the Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population replacement project, towards other Europeans for a change.


    So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar

     

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

    There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe
     
    No, it’s not because life is necessarily better but because more money can be made and some people sacrifice years of their lives in order to provide better material circumstances for their families. Poland is a very nice and pleasant place but incomes are a lot higher in the West so some people move there.

    It’s increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

     

    It depends on who emigrates. It will be like Singapore if it’s a massive wave of Chinese and South Asians. Parts that have been flooded already, have earned the nickname Hongcouver. In this city the middle and upper classes are mostly well dressed Chinese from Hong Kong, with some Whites and upper caste Indians and Sikhs mixed in. There is a large mass of mostly White, and a few Native, heroin junkies. The district with junkies has much more pre-Asian people (of native European and native Indian descent) than the nicer parts of the city. Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans, who have joined the native Indians in the impoverished margins.*

    There aren’t enough Balkan and Lebanese immigrants to make Canada another Lebanon or Balkans.

    Mass Ukrainian immigration wouldn’t save Canada’s British heritage (the Anglo Canadians have chosen to destroy it themselves, as Anglos do), but would at least keep the place more European.

    *At least, this is the impression I got from spending a few days in downtown Vancouver, a beautiful and wealthy Chinese city, made of green and blue glass, whose Chinese residents are mostly like civilized Chinese from Hong Kong or Singapore rather than Sovok-like mainlanders, where European people and Native Indians dress in rags, use drugs and beg for money. I think there are normal Europeans living out in many of the suburbs to which they have retreated.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @sher singh, @silviosilver

    Your racialism and zero-sum thinking will get you punched in Canada.
    People immigrating, paying taxes & working isn’t genocide & forced conversion ala Natives.

    Self-referencing as European is a Ukrainian or Balkanoid thing.
    Both places without much of a history outside Turkish harems.

    https://dharmicreality.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/mapping-the-western-right-from-a-varnashrama-lens/

    This “Nazi” faction mostly ignore caste differences and focus on the racial aspects (Shudras of whatever race, being at the lowest end of the caste ladder, prefer to ignore their lowly caste status within their race and focus on other aspects).

    You should show some class, and stfu. English Canada is mostly Scottish not Anglo.
    Hongcouver is a playful nickname, go back to worshipping Germans & their poo inspection toilets.

    • Replies: @AP
    @sher singh

    Where did you detect racialism in my post? I was pointing out the banal fact that Brits have been displaced by educated middle and upper class Chinese and Indians in Vancouver. There is a similar but much less extreme process in Toronto. Montreal remains the same, French seems to be a barrier. Some Algerians have settled but they don’t threaten the upper or middle class native positions and there don’t seem to be so many of them there.


    People immigrating, paying taxes & working isn’t genocide & forced conversion ala Natives
     
    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life. Though I suspect that in many ways Natives are better off now as modern Canadians then they had been had Europeans never come (living as tribesmen in premodernity, killing each other, etc.). I’m not sure if the same can necessarily be said of Englishmen in Canada. I hear Singapore is nice but was London worse in the 1950s?

    Replies: @sher singh

  249. sher singh says:
    @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    They should have stuck to women of ill repute like Truss and cosmopolitan, r-selected, bastard-spawning mutts like BoJo. It's a mistake to put an obviously alien face on the regime, when so many willing passables would serve.

    Having an Indian PM will only increase the pressure to have a black one. They will need to mix it up - it wouldn't do to have a string of Indian ones , and color-signaling compels them.

    How long before a black PM starts using the word "racist", or before Sunak himself is caught using it? Or before they start lecturing about colonialism?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    Only makes sense after Ireland & Portugal. Blacks & Indians occupy v dif place in Britain tbh,
    Rooftop Koreans didn’t lead to a karen meltdown..

    At the unveiling, Freud, an octogenarian by this point, with advancing Alzheimer’s, kept forgetting what was going on.

    “Who are these people?” he asked Pragnell. Around the table, everyone was pretending to talk while in fact listening to what he was saying.

    “They’re officers of the household cavalry,” Pragnell replied.

    “So why is there a negro here?” Freud asked.

    You could hear a pin drop. All at once, the whole awkwardness of the regiment’s diversity experiment was dragged into the open; the fundamental weirdness of “we’ve got two women and two black guys but we’re still posh” was exposed.

    https://unherd.com/2022/10/the-british-army-has-a-class-problem/

    He’d probably tell war stories of fighting beside Sikhs, OTOH.

  250. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Poor countries “demanding money” from rich countries, is apparently something which you see as positive about the poor countries
     
    It depends on the nature and context of the demands.

    If Germany chooses to give away hundreds of $ millions to non-European “refugees” it is good of a European people to divert some of the Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population replacement project, towards other Europeans for a change.


    So, better (not in moral sense) to be beggar, than the person who gives to the beggar

     

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

    There is no significant emigration of Western Europeans to live in Poland, but there are millions of Poles emigrating to Western Europe. But this is because the life is better on average significantly in Western Europe
     
    No, it’s not because life is necessarily better but because more money can be made and some people sacrifice years of their lives in order to provide better material circumstances for their families. Poland is a very nice and pleasant place but incomes are a lot higher in the West so some people move there.

    It’s increasing the internationalization or multinationalism of Canada, whether you view as good or bad. If it becomes like Singapore in the utopian example, or like Balkans/Lebanon in the dystopian.

     

    It depends on who emigrates. It will be like Singapore if it’s a massive wave of Chinese and South Asians. Parts that have been flooded already, have earned the nickname Hongcouver. In this city the middle and upper classes are mostly well dressed Chinese from Hong Kong, with some Whites and upper caste Indians and Sikhs mixed in. There is a large mass of mostly White, and a few Native, heroin junkies. The district with junkies has much more pre-Asian people (of native European and native Indian descent) than the nicer parts of the city. Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans, who have joined the native Indians in the impoverished margins.*

    There aren’t enough Balkan and Lebanese immigrants to make Canada another Lebanon or Balkans.

    Mass Ukrainian immigration wouldn’t save Canada’s British heritage (the Anglo Canadians have chosen to destroy it themselves, as Anglos do), but would at least keep the place more European.

    *At least, this is the impression I got from spending a few days in downtown Vancouver, a beautiful and wealthy Chinese city, made of green and blue glass, whose Chinese residents are mostly like civilized Chinese from Hong Kong or Singapore rather than Sovok-like mainlanders, where European people and Native Indians dress in rags, use drugs and beg for money. I think there are normal Europeans living out in many of the suburbs to which they have retreated.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @sher singh, @silviosilver

    Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans,

    Lol, as I never tire of pointing out, the racial bullshit never ceases with this mendacious worm.

    The “cycle continues”, you see. It’s just a natural part of the rhythm of life. Has nothing to do with, you know, deliberate fucking policy.

    I must say it’s interesting the way AP gets off on taunting the very people he is most relying on to aid his precious Ukraine. The extreme butthurt he feels – let’s face it, it’s gotta hurt for a prideful Uke to think his country could soon be outclassed by even the lowly pajeets of hindoostan – makes him say very weird and very spiteful things.

    • Agree: sher singh, S
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @silviosilver

    Worse that it's a family man in his 50s. Some weird stuff going on with Catholic Slavs.
    Literally every single one is a butthurt faggot with wild takes detached from reality.

    Add in the Balts & they're really competing with Protestants & Sunnis for gayest religion.


    Much less obviously, whites are too superior for their own good. Whites are better than blacks at virtually everything that truly matters in life
     
    So is everyone else - they're a separate species. Them being part of humanity is a Christian lie.

    (This is why I equate doctrinaire egalitarianism with brain disease; it’s like a slow-drip poison that progressively (huh) destroys you. A basic egalitarian sense is okay, as long as you don’t lose sight of reality. People should be treated as equally as possible, but not more so. Doctrinaire egalitarianism dispenses completely with reality.)
     
    Why? This is why you're gay. Equality is letting your women whore around,
    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a 'race'

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/whatever-happened-to-european-tribes/


    “The medieval church instituted marriage laws and practices that undermined large kinship groups. From as early as the fourth century, it discouraged practices that enlarged the family, such as adoption, polygamy, concubinage, divorce, and remarriage. It severely prohibited marriages among individuals of the same blood (consanguineous marriages), which had constituted a means to create and maintain kinship groups throughout history.
     

    Christianity has a lot of value – value as a ‘spiritual tradition,’ if you will. But taking its truth claims seriously – at least outside the Christian core of faith in a salvific redeemer figure
     
    Render unto Caeser or Don't rebel it's 'fitnah' are both examples of lit social control.
    The atheists are right about monothiesm it's a priest trying to exercise Prima Nocta.

    Among the anthropologically defined 356 contemporary societies of Euro-Asia and Africa, there is a large and significant negative correlation between Christianization (for at least 500 years) and the absence of clans and lineages;
     

    The welfare of the social order, according to St. Augustine (City of God XV.16) and St. Thomas (Suppl. Q. liii, a. 3), demanded the widest possible extension of friendship and love among all humankind, to which desirable aim the intermarriage of close blood-relations was opposed; this was especially true in the first half of the Middle Ages, when the best interests of society required the unification of the numerous tribes and peoples which had settled on the soil of the Roman Empire. By overthrowing the barriers between inimical families and races, ruinous internecine warfare was diminished and greater peace and harmony secured among the newly-converted Christians.
     
    Pagan Rome could survive centuries of mass immigration with its genome intact.
    Christianity's value as a spiritual tradition is the destruction of whiteness in under a century.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @AP
    @silviosilver


    The “cycle continues”, you see. It’s just a natural part of the rhythm of life. Has nothing to do with, you know, deliberate fucking policy.
     
    Where did I claim that it wasn’t the result of policies? Native Indians also deliberately pursued policies that facilitated their displacement - trading for guns with which to kill rival tribes, feeding the alien newcomers, etc.

    I must say it’s interesting the way AP gets off on taunting
     
    Matra habitually whines about Slavic immigration into British places like Canada (or indeed Britain itself). I’m just pointing out that the main impact will be to dilute the impact of the deliberate flooding of British territories by non-Europeans that for some reason British pursue as policy wherever they have settled.

    The extreme butthurt he feels

     

    There’s that nasty projection of yours again. Singh noticed it too. I’m good.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @LatW
    @silviosilver


    I must say it’s interesting the way AP gets off on taunting the very people he is most relying on to aid his precious Ukraine. The extreme butthurt he feels – let’s face it, it’s gotta hurt for a prideful Uke to think his country could soon be outclassed by even the lowly pajeets of hindoostan – makes him say very weird and very spiteful things.
     
    That's not really how a typical Ukrainian (from Ukraine) thinks, though, it's an attitude more in line with middle class or upper middle class SWPLs in the West (I've heard it from them before, too, using almost exactly the same language, "it's a cycle", "it's how history goes", I was dumbfounded, tbh, and when I first heard it what shocked me the most was the ease of the acceptance of these facts on the ground, not to mention I felt deeply offended, this was a rich Scots Irish boomer woman who said this, completely oblivious to her children's and grandchildren's future). It's not how a typical Ukrainian who had been raised in Ukraine would think. Not at all. First, this is not even on their radar right now. Second, if they did think about the replacement, even some of the normies (not to even mention the nationalists) would feel a bit taken aback if they saw what's really going on. They will definitely care if it starts happening in UA. The only question is if they'll have the resources to withstand it.

    It is kind of true though that first they displaced the Natives. It's just that does it really mean that the new settlers would have to be displaced, too? It's an ideological question.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @S

    , @Wokechoke
    @silviosilver

    Any English cheering on Ukies under Zelenskyy at this point are just suckers. The actual battle is in London, Bradford, Birmingham etc. Who cares if Alex/Oleg or Olex/Oleh run Kiev/Keev when the mayor is called Khan and the PM is Sunak.

    Replies: @sudden death

  251. @LatW
    @Yevardian


    resentfully holding on to past grievances out of misplaced pride does nothing for a country.
     
    You either misunderstood me or you're deliberately looking past my point - I wasn't talking about some mysterious "past grievances" but about the killing that is ongoing. The attacks on the civilian infrastructure that are happening right now, as we speak, many Ukrainians have no electricity.

    But the opportunity should have been taken for concessions while the country held a position of relative strength. The intransigence and tedious focus on the genocide got worse with later presidents.
     
    Of course, it is always better to have fewer tensions. But do you think Armenia's position would significantly change just by making those concessions? You do not believe there may be deeper problems under the surface? Or are you thinking that you would just live on hating each other but not encounter a crisis and that would be livable.

    If Ukraine’s leaders were smart, they’d be realistic enough about letting go of Crimea and Donbass, so they can end this war soon, on terms not totally dictated by foreign powers, allowing for eventual reproachment with Russia.
     
    Rapprochement is very difficult to talk about right now, as there are constant attacks being carried out on Ukraine and they will not stop until there is a serious break in the war. The attacks may not even stop if the Russians are pushed out of Kherson, there could be attacks from Belarus (there are Iranian drone specialists in Belarus right now so there could be a drone attack on Western Ukraine). Rapprochement may not happen for a very long time.

    It's too early to talk about Donbas and Crimea. The issue with giving up territory is that, while you do get a frozen conflict, which is better than more deaths, eventually the next generation will be forced to fight again. The Ukrainians do not want to leave this war to their children.

    It might not be ‘fair’ but throwing out atrocity claims (true or not), endlessly harping on them, demanding their retribution just doesn’t make any sense unless you realistically expect your enemy’s unconditional surrender and total capitulation.
     
    In this kind of a thing, you should speak for yourself, because victims deserve justice. It's easy to speak that way about other people's children. If your people were victims, you would be ok to say - let us not seek justice. But do not speak that way about others. The Ukrainians will start with prosecuting those who they can, for crimes that they have already investigated.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    ” victims deserve justice. It’s easy to speak that way about other people’s children. If your people were victims, you would be ok to say – let us not seek justice. But do not speak that way about others. ”

    Lots of peoples have been victims of war crimes and have not sought justice. The children of Germany and Japan for starters.

    On a a less sombre but still pretty important note, I can’t believe Germany is so passive, as their “allies” sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime – a crime which could justify retribution.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/upload/f_auto,[email protected]/v1646756029/260735_768_rgb.jpg

    , @Matra
    @YetAnotherAnon


    On a a less sombre but still pretty important note, I can’t believe Germany is so passive, as their “allies” sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime – a crime which could justify retribution.
     
    Looking at some of their media a few days ago the Germans seem more interested in laughing at Britain's leadership foibles and warning about the dangers of fascism from Italy's new government. When Trump was in office Der Spiegel in particular delighted in mocking the US, just as they did under Dubya, with their main cartoonist becoming a minor celeb - speaking truth to power & all that - yet now that they are facing outright aggression from the US they are meek little lambs.

    Meanwhile in Poland they are the opposite. Poles angrier about a suspected stolen book than Germans about pipeline sabotage?

    From Aga Tumiłowicz-Mazur's Twitter feed:

    Czytelnia Akademicka in L'viv was a Polish student scientific society active between 1867 and the beginning of WWII. Speculations ensued whether the book was stolen (and if yes, by whom? Germans? Russians?) and therefore should be returned. Some Poles are really, really upset.

    So upset in fact that they call it"fencing in broad daylight" & "slap in the face",tagging on Twitter both the 🇵🇱Ministry of Culture and the Spokesman of the M.of Foreign Affairs,the latter of which responded with "we are aware" of the case that is heating up the 🇵🇱internet.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @LatW
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Lots of peoples have been victims of war crimes and have not sought justice
     
    Unfortunately, they weren't able to. It remains to be seen if the Ukrainians will be able to.

    I can’t believe Germany is so passive, as their “allies” sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime – a crime which could justify retribution.
     
    Don't know if it's a "crime" (although certainly will put a strain on the elderly and other vulnerable groups, not to mention potential layoffs if they will happen), it's just generally a super unfortunate situation. It's the last thing we needed, but it's not that we didn't see it coming. Covid was a weakening factor, so it's not surprising that a war (or some kind of reshuffling of power) would follow after something like that.

    What is interesting, though, is how willingly Germany has stepped up to the leadership role in the future reconstruction program. Of course, the funds will be coming from various sources, but I thought the "allies&friends" would have to implore Germany much longer and harder, but Germany seems to have assumed that leadership position rather willingly.

    It might be that they're seeing long term opportunities there. And of course you can't have ruins forever on your doorstep.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  252. “Chemicals group BASF has announced that the company will have to “permanently” downsize in Europe, with high energy costs making the region increasingly uncompetitive.

    The announcement by the world’s largest chemical group by revenue came after it opened the first part of its new €10bn plastics plant in China a month ago, which it says will support growing demand in the country.

    “The European chemicals market has been growing only weakly for about a decade [and] significant increases in natural gas and electricity prices during this year are putting pressure on
    value chains,” said Chief Executive Martin Brudermüller.”

  253. Adhering to NATO/US policy is killing German industry. When your costs go up by 2.2 bn, and you can only save 500m by cutting back on R&D.

    In the first nine months of 2022, the additional cost of natural gas at BASF’s European sites would have been around €2.2 billion ($2.2 billion) compared to the same period in 2021, he said.

    A large number of planned EU regulations represented an additional burden, he added.

    “These challenging framework conditions in Europe are endangering the international competitiveness of European producers,” Brudermüller said.

    BASF’s management recently launched a drastic savings programme to be implemented in 2023 and 2024. The cuts are intended to reduce annual non-production costs by €500 million.

    The board wants to implement more than half of the savings at the Ludwigshafen site, where BASF employs about 39,000 of its approximately 111,000 employees worldwide.

    Corporate, service and research divisions as well as the group headquarters are to be streamlined, it said. The company is not ruling out job cuts.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/ceo-of-german-chemical-company-basf-justifies-austerity-programme/ar-AA13o1zC

  254. sher singh says:
    @silviosilver
    @AP


    Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans,
     
    Lol, as I never tire of pointing out, the racial bullshit never ceases with this mendacious worm.

    The "cycle continues", you see. It's just a natural part of the rhythm of life. Has nothing to do with, you know, deliberate fucking policy.

    I must say it's interesting the way AP gets off on taunting the very people he is most relying on to aid his precious Ukraine. The extreme butthurt he feels - let's face it, it's gotta hurt for a prideful Uke to think his country could soon be outclassed by even the lowly pajeets of hindoostan - makes him say very weird and very spiteful things.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AP, @LatW, @Wokechoke

    Worse that it’s a family man in his 50s. Some weird stuff going on with Catholic Slavs.
    Literally every single one is a butthurt faggot with wild takes detached from reality.

    Add in the Balts & they’re really competing with Protestants & Sunnis for gayest religion.

    Much less obviously, whites are too superior for their own good. Whites are better than blacks at virtually everything that truly matters in life

    So is everyone else – they’re a separate species. Them being part of humanity is a Christian lie.

    (This is why I equate doctrinaire egalitarianism with brain disease; it’s like a slow-drip poison that progressively (huh) destroys you. A basic egalitarian sense is okay, as long as you don’t lose sight of reality. People should be treated as equally as possible, but not more so. Doctrinaire egalitarianism dispenses completely with reality.)

    Why? This is why you’re gay. Equality is letting your women whore around,
    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a ‘race’

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/whatever-happened-to-european-tribes/

    “The medieval church instituted marriage laws and practices that undermined large kinship groups. From as early as the fourth century, it discouraged practices that enlarged the family, such as adoption, polygamy, concubinage, divorce, and remarriage. It severely prohibited marriages among individuals of the same blood (consanguineous marriages), which had constituted a means to create and maintain kinship groups throughout history.

    Christianity has a lot of value – value as a ‘spiritual tradition,’ if you will. But taking its truth claims seriously – at least outside the Christian core of faith in a salvific redeemer figure

    Render unto Caeser or Don’t rebel it’s ‘fitnah’ are both examples of lit social control.
    The atheists are right about monothiesm it’s a priest trying to exercise Prima Nocta.

    Among the anthropologically defined 356 contemporary societies of Euro-Asia and Africa, there is a large and significant negative correlation between Christianization (for at least 500 years) and the absence of clans and lineages;

    The welfare of the social order, according to St. Augustine (City of God XV.16) and St. Thomas (Suppl. Q. liii, a. 3), demanded the widest possible extension of friendship and love among all humankind, to which desirable aim the intermarriage of close blood-relations was opposed; this was especially true in the first half of the Middle Ages, when the best interests of society required the unification of the numerous tribes and peoples which had settled on the soil of the Roman Empire. By overthrowing the barriers between inimical families and races, ruinous internecine warfare was diminished and greater peace and harmony secured among the newly-converted Christians.

    Pagan Rome could survive centuries of mass immigration with its genome intact.
    Christianity’s value as a spiritual tradition is the destruction of whiteness in under a century.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @sher singh


    Why? This is why you’re gay. Equality is letting your women whore around,
    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a ‘race’
     
    Because it makes for a more pleasant society, that's why. A society can essentially choose to emphasize the ways in which people are equal or the ways in which they're unequal. There's no need for the latter, since pretty much everyone already has a 'gut sense' of who's better and who's not in any given context (including a 'general' life context), so emphasizing equality helps people feel more at ease around each other and generally treat each more kindly (although probably less respectfully, but that may be a price worth paying). The basic rule for unequal interactions is: you pretend the differences between us are unimportant, and I'll pretend you haven't noticed them. That's not so hard to do.

    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a ‘race’
     
    Well that's great then. Just as 'nation' is better than tribe, 'race' is better than nation. You have to remember, I am a liberal at heart. A liberal society composed of 'ballpark' standard racial homogeneity? I'll take that over 'nation' or 'ethnicity' or 'religion' or 'tribe' any day.

    The medieval church instituted marriage laws and practices that undermined large kinship groups.
     
    Nice to know Christianity was useful for something besides constituting today's European spiritual tradition.

    So is everyone else – they’re a separate species.
     
    Thanks for quoting me out of context so that I sound like a 'supremacist.' Now, to be sure, I am defiantly a 'racist,' but I drawn the line at supremacy, so I must protest my innocence.

    Nobody hates Punjabis or thinks they’re pajeets.
     
    How would you know? It's your own back people are talking behind.

    Stay butthurt balkanoid faggot,
     
    What am I butthurt about? I freely admit my peep's lack of 'greatness' and I've never proposed that any person's or group's sense of self-worth should be based on it. That obsession is something you and AP seem caught up in.

    Replies: @sher singh

  255. @silviosilver
    @Thulean Friend


    demographically infiltrating elite circles in key Western countries instead of trying to build up national strength á la China. Perhaps the smarter long-term strategy.
     
    Lol, talk about making a virtue out of necessity.

    Of course, given the choice, they'd happily take the national strength that China has achieved; it's simply that, being less competent, they haven't (and perhaps - certainly it is to be hoped - they never will).

    And also of course, it is white stupidity and apathy that has enabled the infiltration, rather than the ingenuity of hindoo wiles. Even wokesters are more likely to characterize interactions with pajeets as "repellant" than "charming."

    And also also of course, none but a pajeet would celebrate any of this. It's interesting how subdued the "first Indian PM!" reaction has been. If it were the "first black PM!" Britcucks would be fainting from the ecstasy.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Wokechoke

    Nobody hates Punjabis or thinks they’re pajeets.
    Stay butthurt balkanoid faggot,

    When it comes down to everything being counted,
    All you did was christianize europe & impart whites genes on the Turks.

    Lit harem of monotheism.

    • LOL: Yevardian
  256. @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    https://twitter.com/CotswoldArch/status/1463417886400258053?s=20

    We'll kill to protect the cow.
    You won't kill to practice cow slaughter.

    The result's already decided, Guru's Hukam is final.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    In all honesty, the prospect of a bunch of Sikhs taking over and keeping me from eating beef ranks about on par with Martian invasion on the list of things I’m realistically concerned about. I’ll be happy to raise the threat assessment once you guys have solidified control of the Indian subcontinent.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    Um, who said a bunch of Sikhs would do it? I have no disagreement with Liberals or WEF on the issue

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Barbarossa

    , @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    the prospect of a bunch of Sikhs taking over and keeping me from eating beef ranks about on par with Martian invasion on the list of things I’m realistically concerned about.
     
    If the Martians are peaceful I think I'd rate the beef abolitionists as a bigger threat to human well-being.

    To my knowledge, Sher Singh has never explained what's wrong with eating beef anyway. He should just try a properly aged rib-steak and he'd forget all those archaic myths.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Barbarossa


    I’ll be happy to raise the threat assessment once you guys have solidified control of the Indian subcontinent.
     
    The way things are going, I'd bet on Canada first. From their latest census:

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/221026/cg221026b002-eng.png

    Sikhs comprised 1.7% of India's population in the last Indian census (2011). The numbers for the newest Indian census aren't out but the percentage has either stagnated or perhaps even dropped due to massive emigration.

    So Canada now has more Sikhs as a percentage of its population than India. Statistics Canada has more details:


    The diversity of the South Asian group can also be observed in the broad range of mother tongues reported in the 2021 Census, with English (36.4%), Punjabi (29.4%), Urdu (11.3%), Hindi (8.2%), Tamil (7.1%) and Gujarati (6.4%) the most commonly reported, alone or with other languages.

    Finally, the top three religions reported by South Asians are Hinduism (29.9%), Sikhism (29.6%) and Islam (23.1%).
     

    Sikhs comprise nearly 1/3rd of all South Asians in Canada but are less than 1% in South Asia itself. I was barely half-joking when I wrote that the only "martial spirit" left in the Sikh community is devoted towards getting a Canadian visa.

    ---

    Meanwhile, Sikhs and Hindus are getting into street confrontations in Canada:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Brampton/comments/yd1ifa/at_least_its_not_a_sword_fight_s/

    Once again proves three arguments I've been making here:

    1) thinking Islam is the problem is short-sighted, as non-Islamic groups can be - and often are - very tribal.

    2) behaviour is more tied to cultural values than religion per se

    3) a "white vs all" future is very unlikely. Kanye's recent comments is further proof, not to mention the LA council scandal where Latinx where shitting on blacks, jews, armenians and god knows who else. The rising Hindu vs Sikh tension is just the latest manifestation of that. In Södertälje, the recent influx of moslems from the 2015 wave has increased tensions between the Christian Assyrian community and the newcomers.

    And I might as well add Matra's fourth rule:

    4) diaspora nationalism is only going to rise in the West as once you reach a sufficiently critical base, it will be easier to retain your identity and resist assimilation. Though I actually think this is a better outcome than everyone trying to "be white" and invariably failing in some hilarious way, since I want genuine multiculturalism.

    Replies: @sher singh

  257. @YetAnotherAnon
    @LatW


    " victims deserve justice. It’s easy to speak that way about other people’s children. If your people were victims, you would be ok to say – let us not seek justice. But do not speak that way about others. "
     
    Lots of peoples have been victims of war crimes and have not sought justice. The children of Germany and Japan for starters.

    https://i.postimg.cc/9MLdCRDT/Bundesarchiv-Bild-146-1979-025-19-A-Koeln-Kinderleichen-nach-Luftangriff.jpg


    On a a less sombre but still pretty important note, I can't believe Germany is so passive, as their "allies" sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime - a crime which could justify retribution.

    https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/1987197/1987197_wl6tkn5myax6kup.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Matra, @LatW

  258. @silviosilver
    @AP


    Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans,
     
    Lol, as I never tire of pointing out, the racial bullshit never ceases with this mendacious worm.

    The "cycle continues", you see. It's just a natural part of the rhythm of life. Has nothing to do with, you know, deliberate fucking policy.

    I must say it's interesting the way AP gets off on taunting the very people he is most relying on to aid his precious Ukraine. The extreme butthurt he feels - let's face it, it's gotta hurt for a prideful Uke to think his country could soon be outclassed by even the lowly pajeets of hindoostan - makes him say very weird and very spiteful things.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AP, @LatW, @Wokechoke

    The “cycle continues”, you see. It’s just a natural part of the rhythm of life. Has nothing to do with, you know, deliberate fucking policy.

    Where did I claim that it wasn’t the result of policies? Native Indians also deliberately pursued policies that facilitated their displacement – trading for guns with which to kill rival tribes, feeding the alien newcomers, etc.

    I must say it’s interesting the way AP gets off on taunting

    Matra habitually whines about Slavic immigration into British places like Canada (or indeed Britain itself). I’m just pointing out that the main impact will be to dilute the impact of the deliberate flooding of British territories by non-Europeans that for some reason British pursue as policy wherever they have settled.

    The extreme butthurt he feels

    There’s that nasty projection of yours again. Singh noticed it too. I’m good.

    • Thanks: sher singh
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AP


    Matra habitually whines about Slavic immigration into British places like Canada (or indeed Britain itself).
     
    And rightly so, since in hindsight (in foresight, too, for that matter), it's proven much more of a curse than a blessing to his people. To be clear, I'm talking about the arrival of my own predecessors too here (perhaps not "slavic" in your eyes, but part of the same general wave) - every bit as much a curse as yours, perhaps even more so.

    If southern and eastern Europeans were the only (or at least overwhelming) beneficiaries of immigrationist largess - as was once the case - I'd probably lie through my teeth about its wonders just as you do. But we're not, so I'll happily side with anyone who wants to end this madness (rather than perpetuate it, like you do), even if in the course of ending it dirty, hidden truths are aired.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AP

  259. @S
    @songbird


    Recently, I wondered what the first scifi story was that predicted machines that did all the tasks, and caused men to become listless, or even to devolve.
     
    That's a good question. I wouldn't know. I imagen they go back quite aways.

    I read a memorable one a week or two ago from Project Gutenburg that had a alien race that became brainless caged slugs attended by their super-advanced machines.
     
    Sounds a little bit like now with so many folks unhealthy attachment to 'social media'. Also sounds a like the 1909 short story The Machine Stops

    The story, set in a world where humanity lives underground and relies on a giant machine to provide its needs, predicted technologies similar to instant messaging and the Internet.

    The story describes a world in which most of the human population has lost the ability to live on the surface of the Earth. Each individual now lives in isolation below ground in a standard room, with all bodily and spiritual needs met by the omnipotent, global Machine. Travel is permitted, but is unpopular and rarely necessary. Communication is made via a kind of instant messaging/video conferencing machine with which people conduct their only activity: the sharing of ideas and what passes for knowledge.
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Also sounds a like the 1909 short story The Machine Stops

    That was the one I was going to throw out there. I really like that story for it’s very prescient view of where we seem to be headed; not in the technological particulars necessarily but certainly in spirit.

    • Agree: S
  260. @Dmitry
    @AP


    Vancouver.. Sovok

     

    Although much of the property wealth in Vancouver will not be so far from the Chinese Communist Party and a lot closer to it, than the ordinary Chinese people living in China. They are often children of the political elite in China, as the wealth in China and the connection to the communist party are not so uncorrelated. I posted the link a bit for repetitive, but to apologize for the repetition, remember the great report on YouTube about the movement of wealth from China to Vancouver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpx.

    would at least keep the place more European.
     
    It depends what kind of "European". Ukraine is between Sierra Leone and Zambia in the corruption perceptions index.

    Obviously, Canada filters immigrants, so there will be reduction of such cultural transfer by immigrants, but for EU, which introduces the open border system. EU citizens would have open borders, without filtration, from this zone of geographical Europe which is exactly not culturally the brand image of "enlightened Europe".


    life is necessarily better but because more money can be made
     
    Life generally is really better, which is not to say life in Poland is below average in the world concept. In Western Europe you can be unemployed and you still have a comfortable life, with money to relax in a cafe every day. There not many places for immigrants, than Western Europe, that can be so comfortable, wealthy, luxury and easy. There is a reason a significant part of the world is trying to live there.

    Germans’ money, that otherwise would be spent on their anti-European population
     
    It's not like Poland is the least "anti-German" population for German taxpayers to give money to fund. You know the most rapid way to make a stereotypically culture habituated Polish people angry with them. Say "Poles are similar to Russians". And the second most rapid way? "Poles are similar to Germans".

    It’s not being a beggar when the money is compensation. If you smash my car and I demand that you pay for the damages I am not being a “beggar.”

     

    This could be argued if the money was only from Germany, but the convergence funding is from UK, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden. For many years, the taxpayers of all the wealthy EU countries, have been used for the convergence funding, which Poland is the greatest receiver.


    https://i.imgur.com/uoGkp44.jpg

    It's not Netherlands or United Kingdom, are responsible for the crimes of Hitler. They lost large part of London fighting against Hitler, which began as the response for Germany's invasion of Poland, while Hitler had always wanted and expected peace with the Kingdom.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    Although much of the property wealth in Vancouver will not be so far from the Chinese Communist Party and a lot closer to it, than the ordinary Chinese people living in China

    Maybe so, but most of the settlers have been Hong King Chinese fleeing CCP rule and not Chinese mainlanders. These crossed the ocean with suitcases filled with cash and drove up property prices. But I’m sure that we’ll connected relatives of Chinese Communist Party officials are involved in high level speculation also.

    would at least keep the place more European.

    It depends what kind of “European”. Ukraine is between Sierra Leone and Zambia in the corruption perceptions index

    I think you would not confuse Lviv or Vynnytsia with Zambia or Sierra Leone 🙂

    life is necessarily better but because more money can be made

    Life generally is really better, which is not to say life in Poland

    Life is not generally worse in Krakow than in any German city, the latter’s only real advantage is higher income and related to that better and more retail stores. This is why many Poles go to Germany to work, but send the money back to Poland where they eventually return, because Poland is a better place to be ultimately. It is architecturally no worse, arts and culture great, food and restaurants are no worse, public transportation and roads are fine, but culture is more conservative and the place isn’t flooded by non-Europeans.

    In Western Europe you can be unemployed and you still have a comfortable life, with money to relax in a cafe every day

    This is true, but most Poles do not aspire to be unemployed.

    For many years, the taxpayers of all the wealthy EU countries, have been used for the convergence funding, which Poland is the greatest receiver

    From the chart you posted, it looks like per capita Poland is far from being the biggest receiver. A lot of that money goes to back to the western EU countries in the form of Poland consuming western EU goods?

    And again, Western Europe is so generous when it comes to giving money to non-European settlers in Western Europe. There is nothing shameful about eastern Europeans diverting some money to other Europeans, instead.

    If I were a German I would rather spend money upgrading a bus system in some Polish city than building houses for Syrian settlers in my city.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    most of the settlers have been Hong
     
    The report says wealthy immigrants in Vancouver are mainland Chinese, connected to the political elite (Chinese Communist Party).

    They discuss the poor Chinese who had been the population in Vancouver before the 2000s, which have not much connection to the new wealthy immigrants. https://youtu.be/IZs2i3Bpxx4?t=360.

    This is like wealthy Chinese in Europe. Children of China's political elite are always moving hundreds of billions of dollars to the West, which reminds of the last twenty years Russia. In Russia, the main purpose of ruling class of the last decades has been moving to the West, this is the reason to be ruling class, but China's ruling class also has a few of these aspects.


    connected relatives of Chinese Communist Party officials are involved in high level speculation also.

     

    It's not speculation, they will be quietly moving money to the West, in order to move the money (not to increase the money).

    Wealthy people in Russia are living by moving money to the West this century. The main purpose has not been to multiply the money in the West, it is to move it into the West.


    you would not confuse Lviv or Vynnytsia with Zambia or Sierra Leone

     

    Creating an open borders system with Ukraine, is not a light medicine for the wealthy countries. Perceptions of corruption can be equal, but likely Ukraine will have a more powerful mafia than Zambia or Sierra Leone and Ukraine's costs for the EU could potentially be vast - you only need to see how much money Poland has pulled from Europe.

    latter’s only real advantage is higher income and related to that better
     
    Better income, more work/life balance, better services, better education, better environment (Poland has the most polluted air in Europe), better healthcare, etc. I.e. objective indicators.

    per capita Poland is far from being the biggest receiver.

     

    Poland is the greatest receiver of EU money in the net terms, which is the relevant one as we are talking about the country.

    Western Europe. There is nothing shameful about eastern Europeans diverting some money to other Europeans
     
    The taxpayers who are paying for Eastern Europe are not Eastern Europeans, they are the Western Europeans from the net positive countries.

    If I were a German I would rather spend money upgrading a bus system in some Polish city
     
    I would prefer spend the money upgrading a bus system in a German city.

    building houses for Syrian settlers in my city.
     
    You can be so critical of Syrians, but it's not like the postsoviet space is recently appearing more in the civilized world and European values. If I remember Syrians were only cutting off heads, not boiling them.

    Replies: @AP

  261. @sher singh
    @silviosilver

    Worse that it's a family man in his 50s. Some weird stuff going on with Catholic Slavs.
    Literally every single one is a butthurt faggot with wild takes detached from reality.

    Add in the Balts & they're really competing with Protestants & Sunnis for gayest religion.


    Much less obviously, whites are too superior for their own good. Whites are better than blacks at virtually everything that truly matters in life
     
    So is everyone else - they're a separate species. Them being part of humanity is a Christian lie.

    (This is why I equate doctrinaire egalitarianism with brain disease; it’s like a slow-drip poison that progressively (huh) destroys you. A basic egalitarian sense is okay, as long as you don’t lose sight of reality. People should be treated as equally as possible, but not more so. Doctrinaire egalitarianism dispenses completely with reality.)
     
    Why? This is why you're gay. Equality is letting your women whore around,
    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a 'race'

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/whatever-happened-to-european-tribes/


    “The medieval church instituted marriage laws and practices that undermined large kinship groups. From as early as the fourth century, it discouraged practices that enlarged the family, such as adoption, polygamy, concubinage, divorce, and remarriage. It severely prohibited marriages among individuals of the same blood (consanguineous marriages), which had constituted a means to create and maintain kinship groups throughout history.
     

    Christianity has a lot of value – value as a ‘spiritual tradition,’ if you will. But taking its truth claims seriously – at least outside the Christian core of faith in a salvific redeemer figure
     
    Render unto Caeser or Don't rebel it's 'fitnah' are both examples of lit social control.
    The atheists are right about monothiesm it's a priest trying to exercise Prima Nocta.

    Among the anthropologically defined 356 contemporary societies of Euro-Asia and Africa, there is a large and significant negative correlation between Christianization (for at least 500 years) and the absence of clans and lineages;
     

    The welfare of the social order, according to St. Augustine (City of God XV.16) and St. Thomas (Suppl. Q. liii, a. 3), demanded the widest possible extension of friendship and love among all humankind, to which desirable aim the intermarriage of close blood-relations was opposed; this was especially true in the first half of the Middle Ages, when the best interests of society required the unification of the numerous tribes and peoples which had settled on the soil of the Roman Empire. By overthrowing the barriers between inimical families and races, ruinous internecine warfare was diminished and greater peace and harmony secured among the newly-converted Christians.
     
    Pagan Rome could survive centuries of mass immigration with its genome intact.
    Christianity's value as a spiritual tradition is the destruction of whiteness in under a century.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Why? This is why you’re gay. Equality is letting your women whore around,
    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a ‘race’

    Because it makes for a more pleasant society, that’s why. A society can essentially choose to emphasize the ways in which people are equal or the ways in which they’re unequal. There’s no need for the latter, since pretty much everyone already has a ‘gut sense’ of who’s better and who’s not in any given context (including a ‘general’ life context), so emphasizing equality helps people feel more at ease around each other and generally treat each more kindly (although probably less respectfully, but that may be a price worth paying). The basic rule for unequal interactions is: you pretend the differences between us are unimportant, and I’ll pretend you haven’t noticed them. That’s not so hard to do.

    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a ‘race’

    Well that’s great then. Just as ‘nation’ is better than tribe, ‘race’ is better than nation. You have to remember, I am a liberal at heart. A liberal society composed of ‘ballpark’ standard racial homogeneity? I’ll take that over ‘nation’ or ‘ethnicity’ or ‘religion’ or ‘tribe’ any day.

    The medieval church instituted marriage laws and practices that undermined large kinship groups.

    Nice to know Christianity was useful for something besides constituting today’s European spiritual tradition.

    So is everyone else – they’re a separate species.

    Thanks for quoting me out of context so that I sound like a ‘supremacist.’ Now, to be sure, I am defiantly a ‘racist,’ but I drawn the line at supremacy, so I must protest my innocence.

    Nobody hates Punjabis or thinks they’re pajeets.

    How would you know? It’s your own back people are talking behind.

    Stay butthurt balkanoid faggot,

    What am I butthurt about? I freely admit my peep’s lack of ‘greatness’ and I’ve never proposed that any person’s or group’s sense of self-worth should be based on it. That obsession is something you and AP seem caught up in.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @silviosilver


    Because it makes for a more pleasant society, The basic rule for unequal interactions is: you pretend the differences between us are unimportant, and I’ll pretend you haven’t noticed them. That’s not so hard to do.
     
    Dishonesty is unpleasant and destroys the soul. Brotherhood is always unequal,

    Well that’s great then. Just as ‘nation’ is better than tribe, ‘race’ is better than nation. You have to remember, I am a liberal at heart. A liberal society composed of ‘ballpark’ standard racial homogeneity? I’ll take that over ‘nation’ or ‘ethnicity’ or ‘religion’ or ‘tribe’ any day.
     
    Then a global Brazil is best.

    Thanks for quoting me out of context so that I sound like a ‘supremacist.
     
    ]

    90% of the genetic distance in Homo Sapiens is between Sub-Saharan & the rest.
    The only race is Negro or not - the rest are ethnicities.
    This makes our antagonisms, and differences more valuable.

    How would you know? It’s your own back people are talking behind.
     
    White women aren't really dishonest. A greasy Dago has every incentive to cause strife.
    I'm not caught up in any sense of greatness - the Maryada is correct, the Guru is great.

    I'm nothing.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @silviosilver

  262. @YetAnotherAnon
    @LatW


    " victims deserve justice. It’s easy to speak that way about other people’s children. If your people were victims, you would be ok to say – let us not seek justice. But do not speak that way about others. "
     
    Lots of peoples have been victims of war crimes and have not sought justice. The children of Germany and Japan for starters.

    https://i.postimg.cc/9MLdCRDT/Bundesarchiv-Bild-146-1979-025-19-A-Koeln-Kinderleichen-nach-Luftangriff.jpg


    On a a less sombre but still pretty important note, I can't believe Germany is so passive, as their "allies" sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime - a crime which could justify retribution.

    https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/1987197/1987197_wl6tkn5myax6kup.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Matra, @LatW

    On a a less sombre but still pretty important note, I can’t believe Germany is so passive, as their “allies” sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime – a crime which could justify retribution.

    Looking at some of their media a few days ago the Germans seem more interested in laughing at Britain’s leadership foibles and warning about the dangers of fascism from Italy’s new government. When Trump was in office Der Spiegel in particular delighted in mocking the US, just as they did under Dubya, with their main cartoonist becoming a minor celeb – speaking truth to power & all that – yet now that they are facing outright aggression from the US they are meek little lambs.

    Meanwhile in Poland they are the opposite. Poles angrier about a suspected stolen book than Germans about pipeline sabotage?

    From Aga Tumiłowicz-Mazur’s Twitter feed:

    Czytelnia Akademicka in L’viv was a Polish student scientific society active between 1867 and the beginning of WWII. Speculations ensued whether the book was stolen (and if yes, by whom? Germans? Russians?) and therefore should be returned. Some Poles are really, really upset.

    So upset in fact that they call it”fencing in broad daylight” & “slap in the face”,tagging on Twitter both the 🇵🇱Ministry of Culture and the Spokesman of the M.of Foreign Affairs,the latter of which responded with “we are aware” of the case that is heating up the 🇵🇱internet.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Matra


    Looking at some of their media a few days ago the Germans seem more interested in laughing at Britain’s leadership foibles and warning about the dangers of fascism from Italy’s new government.
     
    The people on the top in Germany seem to have everything hedged and baked in. They must have an enormous amount of confidence in their security service. I don't know man. Racial fascism seems like something it would be ridiculously easy to encode. There has to be an extant new-age-pseudo-christianity that you could sell to forty million people who have lost all but the last shredded remnant of their patience and pride.
  263. @AP
    @silviosilver


    The “cycle continues”, you see. It’s just a natural part of the rhythm of life. Has nothing to do with, you know, deliberate fucking policy.
     
    Where did I claim that it wasn’t the result of policies? Native Indians also deliberately pursued policies that facilitated their displacement - trading for guns with which to kill rival tribes, feeding the alien newcomers, etc.

    I must say it’s interesting the way AP gets off on taunting
     
    Matra habitually whines about Slavic immigration into British places like Canada (or indeed Britain itself). I’m just pointing out that the main impact will be to dilute the impact of the deliberate flooding of British territories by non-Europeans that for some reason British pursue as policy wherever they have settled.

    The extreme butthurt he feels

     

    There’s that nasty projection of yours again. Singh noticed it too. I’m good.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Matra habitually whines about Slavic immigration into British places like Canada (or indeed Britain itself).

    And rightly so, since in hindsight (in foresight, too, for that matter), it’s proven much more of a curse than a blessing to his people. To be clear, I’m talking about the arrival of my own predecessors too here (perhaps not “slavic” in your eyes, but part of the same general wave) – every bit as much a curse as yours, perhaps even more so.

    If southern and eastern Europeans were the only (or at least overwhelming) beneficiaries of immigrationist largess – as was once the case – I’d probably lie through my teeth about its wonders just as you do. But we’re not, so I’ll happily side with anyone who wants to end this madness (rather than perpetuate it, like you do), even if in the course of ending it dirty, hidden truths are aired.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @silviosilver

    Ukranians made Canada multicultural, and actively seek British areas.
    Every other group incl Meds, Slavs etc keep to themselves.

    Pan-Europeanism is a weasel term like Judeo-Christian - the Khazars were from Ukraine.
    6 Lakh Ukr Refugees isn't for a state than a bunch of educated S/E Asians.


    I’m just pointing out that the main impact will be to dilute the impact of the deliberate flooding of British territories by non-Europeans that for some reason British pursue as policy wherever they have settled.
     
    The Great Ukrainian saves the world from itself.
    If his woman makes a quick buck along the way all the better..
    The more the merrier.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    , @AP
    @silviosilver


    And rightly so, since in hindsight (in foresight, too, for that matter), it’s proven much more of a curse than a blessing to his people. To be clear, I’m talking about the arrival of my own predecessors too here (perhaps not “slavic” in your eyes, but part of the same general wave) – every bit as much a curse as yours, perhaps even more so
     
    Unlike most of the other Southern and Eastern European immigrants in Canada, Ukrainians were a settler nation who came to basically empty lands and turned them into highly productive farmland and Canada into one of the world’s main agricultural exporters. That settlement also prevented the Americans from claiming the empty territory (another reason the British/ Canadian authorities invited the Ukrainians in). This was the primary impact of Ukrainian immigration on Canada. I guess Native Indians could complain that their grazing and hunting areas were turned into massive wheat farms but the buffalos seem to have been hunted out prior to the Ukrainians’ arrival.

    The Ukrainians did not change the character of the French and English areas that much (Ukrainians also settled in Toronto but they were heavily outnumbered by the Italians, Portuguese and other Europeans who did far more in transforming that city than did the Ukrainians).

    Ukrainians tend to vote Conservative so if anything they have been a brake on mass immigration because for some reason the Anglos and Scots just love flooding their homelands with non-Europeans. Inconvenient Ukrainians slow down the project of self-displacement.

    I’ll happily side with anyone who wants to end this madness (rather than perpetuate it, like you do

     

    Where did I ever claim that I wanted to perpetuate it?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  264. @sher singh
    @AP

    Your racialism and zero-sum thinking will get you punched in Canada.
    People immigrating, paying taxes & working isn't genocide & forced conversion ala Natives.
    ---
    Self-referencing as European is a Ukrainian or Balkanoid thing.
    Both places without much of a history outside Turkish harems.

    https://dharmicreality.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/mapping-the-western-right-from-a-varnashrama-lens/


    This “Nazi” faction mostly ignore caste differences and focus on the racial aspects (Shudras of whatever race, being at the lowest end of the caste ladder, prefer to ignore their lowly caste status within their race and focus on other aspects).
     
    You should show some class, and stfu. English Canada is mostly Scottish not Anglo.
    Hongcouver is a playful nickname, go back to worshipping Germans & their poo inspection toilets.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945650720026267658/1034666218554142721/unknown-144.png

    Replies: @AP

    Where did you detect racialism in my post? I was pointing out the banal fact that Brits have been displaced by educated middle and upper class Chinese and Indians in Vancouver. There is a similar but much less extreme process in Toronto. Montreal remains the same, French seems to be a barrier. Some Algerians have settled but they don’t threaten the upper or middle class native positions and there don’t seem to be so many of them there.

    People immigrating, paying taxes & working isn’t genocide & forced conversion ala Natives

    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life. Though I suspect that in many ways Natives are better off now as modern Canadians then they had been had Europeans never come (living as tribesmen in premodernity, killing each other, etc.). I’m not sure if the same can necessarily be said of Englishmen in Canada. I hear Singapore is nice but was London worse in the 1950s?

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @AP


    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life. Though I suspect that in many ways Natives are better off now as modern Canadians then they had been had Europeans never come (living as tribesmen in premodernity, killing each other, etc.)
     
    Only a materialist with no shred of dignity says this - a Whore. Guess it's not just Hoholuska.

    There is a similar but much less extreme process in Toronto. Montreal remains the same, French seems to be a barrier.
     
    No. AP goes to the Chinese parts of Vancouver - declares it bereft of English and posts un Unz.

    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life.
     
    Moving to the suburbs into a bigger home?

    Replies: @AP

  265. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    In all honesty, the prospect of a bunch of Sikhs taking over and keeping me from eating beef ranks about on par with Martian invasion on the list of things I'm realistically concerned about. I'll be happy to raise the threat assessment once you guys have solidified control of the Indian subcontinent.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Mikel, @Thulean Friend

    Um, who said a bunch of Sikhs would do it? I have no disagreement with Liberals or WEF on the issue

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @sher singh

    That is the beauty of living in the hinterlands; I can do what I want. I lived like I saw fit during the 'Vid freakout along with the majority of those around me. There was almost no disruption.

    DC or Albany or the Bavarian Illuminati can pass whatever laws they want down the pipeline concerning cow farts or anything else, but nobody will be able or interested in really enforcing. It's just not worth the effort.

    I'd like to get back to your points on tribe vs. race when I have more time since I think you are on the right track. That is what we have around me, at least to a limited degree; a certain sense of tribe and community. We have each other's backs and keep the local governments and enforcement on a reasonable and human level. The county and local governments roll their eyes at what Albany does, nods their heads, and ignores what they need to.

    Folks need to remember that national political races don't mean much; the real effect on you personally is at the local political level, and your vote really matters there.

    , @Barbarossa
    @sher singh

    To be honest, I'm pretty moderate on my meat eating in general. Overindulgence in meat seems gross and wasteful to me. I don't really get the culture war aspect of the meat thing. I agree with the libs that we should be generally be eating less meat, but my area is great for pasture and marginal for crops so it is a prudent use of the land.


    no disagreement with Liberals or WEF on the issue
     
    You know as well as I do that as soon as the lib and WEF types figure out that you aren't their nice tame darkie you'll be just as deplorable as the rest of us. ;)

    In the meantime there is quite a bit of naivete that you can exploit, which is good luck while it lasts, but keeping your identity is ultimately incompatible with liberalism.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  266. @Matra
    @YetAnotherAnon


    On a a less sombre but still pretty important note, I can’t believe Germany is so passive, as their “allies” sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime – a crime which could justify retribution.
     
    Looking at some of their media a few days ago the Germans seem more interested in laughing at Britain's leadership foibles and warning about the dangers of fascism from Italy's new government. When Trump was in office Der Spiegel in particular delighted in mocking the US, just as they did under Dubya, with their main cartoonist becoming a minor celeb - speaking truth to power & all that - yet now that they are facing outright aggression from the US they are meek little lambs.

    Meanwhile in Poland they are the opposite. Poles angrier about a suspected stolen book than Germans about pipeline sabotage?

    From Aga Tumiłowicz-Mazur's Twitter feed:

    Czytelnia Akademicka in L'viv was a Polish student scientific society active between 1867 and the beginning of WWII. Speculations ensued whether the book was stolen (and if yes, by whom? Germans? Russians?) and therefore should be returned. Some Poles are really, really upset.

    So upset in fact that they call it"fencing in broad daylight" & "slap in the face",tagging on Twitter both the 🇵🇱Ministry of Culture and the Spokesman of the M.of Foreign Affairs,the latter of which responded with "we are aware" of the case that is heating up the 🇵🇱internet.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Looking at some of their media a few days ago the Germans seem more interested in laughing at Britain’s leadership foibles and warning about the dangers of fascism from Italy’s new government.

    The people on the top in Germany seem to have everything hedged and baked in. They must have an enormous amount of confidence in their security service. I don’t know man. Racial fascism seems like something it would be ridiculously easy to encode. There has to be an extant new-age-pseudo-christianity that you could sell to forty million people who have lost all but the last shredded remnant of their patience and pride.

  267. sher singh says:
    @silviosilver
    @sher singh


    Why? This is why you’re gay. Equality is letting your women whore around,
    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a ‘race’
     
    Because it makes for a more pleasant society, that's why. A society can essentially choose to emphasize the ways in which people are equal or the ways in which they're unequal. There's no need for the latter, since pretty much everyone already has a 'gut sense' of who's better and who's not in any given context (including a 'general' life context), so emphasizing equality helps people feel more at ease around each other and generally treat each more kindly (although probably less respectfully, but that may be a price worth paying). The basic rule for unequal interactions is: you pretend the differences between us are unimportant, and I'll pretend you haven't noticed them. That's not so hard to do.

    till the point you lose all sense of tribes and end up a ‘race’
     
    Well that's great then. Just as 'nation' is better than tribe, 'race' is better than nation. You have to remember, I am a liberal at heart. A liberal society composed of 'ballpark' standard racial homogeneity? I'll take that over 'nation' or 'ethnicity' or 'religion' or 'tribe' any day.

    The medieval church instituted marriage laws and practices that undermined large kinship groups.
     
    Nice to know Christianity was useful for something besides constituting today's European spiritual tradition.

    So is everyone else – they’re a separate species.
     
    Thanks for quoting me out of context so that I sound like a 'supremacist.' Now, to be sure, I am defiantly a 'racist,' but I drawn the line at supremacy, so I must protest my innocence.

    Nobody hates Punjabis or thinks they’re pajeets.
     
    How would you know? It's your own back people are talking behind.

    Stay butthurt balkanoid faggot,
     
    What am I butthurt about? I freely admit my peep's lack of 'greatness' and I've never proposed that any person's or group's sense of self-worth should be based on it. That obsession is something you and AP seem caught up in.

    Replies: @sher singh

    Because it makes for a more pleasant society, The basic rule for unequal interactions is: you pretend the differences between us are unimportant, and I’ll pretend you haven’t noticed them. That’s not so hard to do.

    Dishonesty is unpleasant and destroys the soul. Brotherhood is always unequal,

    Well that’s great then. Just as ‘nation’ is better than tribe, ‘race’ is better than nation. You have to remember, I am a liberal at heart. A liberal society composed of ‘ballpark’ standard racial homogeneity? I’ll take that over ‘nation’ or ‘ethnicity’ or ‘religion’ or ‘tribe’ any day.

    Then a global Brazil is best.

    Thanks for quoting me out of context so that I sound like a ‘supremacist.

    ]

    90% of the genetic distance in Homo Sapiens is between Sub-Saharan & the rest.
    The only race is Negro or not – the rest are ethnicities.
    This makes our antagonisms, and differences more valuable.

    How would you know? It’s your own back people are talking behind.

    White women aren’t really dishonest. A greasy Dago has every incentive to cause strife.
    I’m not caught up in any sense of greatness – the Maryada is correct, the Guru is great.

    I’m nothing.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @sher singh


    Dishonesty is unpleasant and destroys the soul.
     
    Religion is shot through with well-meaning deception, so you might want to take a look in the mirror.

    Brotherhood is always unequal,
     
    Ah, another nugget of sikh (?) 'wisdom' - you have no idea how I cherish these. It's not quite on the level of "Religion [is] a street gang to take women" but you can't hit them out of the park every time.

    Then a global Brazil is best.
     
    No, because Brazil, as a whole, doesn't meet the 'ballpark' homogeneity standard. You'd need to split it up into at least two racial entities, but preferably three or four in order for it to reach what I have in mind as 'ballpark.' Of course, this is all highly abstract, and I'm using the ballpark concept for the purposes of illustration, not because I think by itself it's in any way enough of a natural draw.

    In the real world, people need a common culture or common historical experiences to really feel they share something meaningful in common. My point is the commonality doesn't have to be as common as people with a 'tribal' mindset tend to imagine. Such people are liable to say about, for instance, Yugoslavia that it was so ethnically mixed that it was sheer fantasy to think it could ever hold together. Well, to someone with a more liberal mindset like me, the 'differences' in Yugoslavia were trivial to the point of virtual meaninglessness, and I have the same attitude towards the balkans in general (and even beyond it ). Of course, it's difficult to mash together people who speak different languages, but your own India proves that, difficult or not, it's actually possible - despite the tremendous linguistic differences there, for political purposes they're willing to act as one happy pajeet family.

    White women aren’t really dishonest. A greasy Dago has every incentive to cause strife.
     
    I have no idea what that means in relation to the post you were replying to, but it does remind me of one of my favorite dago stories. I was trying to pick up this girl at a bar once, and she called out to some bouncer she knew as he was walking past and said, teasingly, as part of the flirtation:

    Her: This guy's harassing me, can you throw him out?

    Bouncer: [looks me over] He's a dago like me, why should I?

    Her: [trying to say something but bouncer walked off]

    Me: [with a cheeky gleam] Suck. Fucking. Shit.

    That's clearly a pretty steep fall from Jane Austen standards of courtship, and I feel half guilty for acting as an agent of cultural decay myself in this instance (and numerous others like it), but guys are always going to opt for what 'works' in the moment and neglect the longer term cultural corrosion their (our) behavior generates.

    Back to the racial angle though, this was in a small regional city that hadn't seen much in the way of immigration (but which by now could be half pajeet for all I know), so there was virtually an automatic kind of solidarity among greaseballs, that often went beyond the merely humorous (as in my anecdote).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

  268. sher singh says:
    @AP
    @sher singh

    Where did you detect racialism in my post? I was pointing out the banal fact that Brits have been displaced by educated middle and upper class Chinese and Indians in Vancouver. There is a similar but much less extreme process in Toronto. Montreal remains the same, French seems to be a barrier. Some Algerians have settled but they don’t threaten the upper or middle class native positions and there don’t seem to be so many of them there.


    People immigrating, paying taxes & working isn’t genocide & forced conversion ala Natives
     
    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life. Though I suspect that in many ways Natives are better off now as modern Canadians then they had been had Europeans never come (living as tribesmen in premodernity, killing each other, etc.). I’m not sure if the same can necessarily be said of Englishmen in Canada. I hear Singapore is nice but was London worse in the 1950s?

    Replies: @sher singh

    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life. Though I suspect that in many ways Natives are better off now as modern Canadians then they had been had Europeans never come (living as tribesmen in premodernity, killing each other, etc.)

    Only a materialist with no shred of dignity says this – a Whore. Guess it’s not just Hoholuska.

    There is a similar but much less extreme process in Toronto. Montreal remains the same, French seems to be a barrier.

    No. AP goes to the Chinese parts of Vancouver – declares it bereft of English and posts un Unz.

    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life.

    Moving to the suburbs into a bigger home?

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AP
    @sher singh


    Only a materialist with no shred of dignity
     
    There is nothing particularly dignified about that lifestyle. Romantic 19th century weirdos idealized it but their predecessors who were certainly not materialists did not. They fixed them, at great effort.

    No. AP goes to the Chinese parts of Vancouver
     
    What “Chinese parts?” - much of the city is Chinese. But not skid row, not many Chinese among the junkies. I stayed near Stanley Park and wandered around. It’s a beautiful city populated mostly by well off Asians (mostly East but a few South) with a White and Native underclass. Great sushi, presumably made by Chinese rather then Japanese or Koreans.
  269. sher singh says:
    @silviosilver
    @AP


    Matra habitually whines about Slavic immigration into British places like Canada (or indeed Britain itself).
     
    And rightly so, since in hindsight (in foresight, too, for that matter), it's proven much more of a curse than a blessing to his people. To be clear, I'm talking about the arrival of my own predecessors too here (perhaps not "slavic" in your eyes, but part of the same general wave) - every bit as much a curse as yours, perhaps even more so.

    If southern and eastern Europeans were the only (or at least overwhelming) beneficiaries of immigrationist largess - as was once the case - I'd probably lie through my teeth about its wonders just as you do. But we're not, so I'll happily side with anyone who wants to end this madness (rather than perpetuate it, like you do), even if in the course of ending it dirty, hidden truths are aired.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AP

    Ukranians made Canada multicultural, and actively seek British areas.
    Every other group incl Meds, Slavs etc keep to themselves.

    Pan-Europeanism is a weasel term like Judeo-Christian – the Khazars were from Ukraine.
    6 Lakh Ukr Refugees isn’t for a state than a bunch of educated S/E Asians.

    I’m just pointing out that the main impact will be to dilute the impact of the deliberate flooding of British territories by non-Europeans that for some reason British pursue as policy wherever they have settled.

    The Great Ukrainian saves the world from itself.
    If his woman makes a quick buck along the way all the better..
    The more the merrier.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  270. @silviosilver
    @AP


    Matra habitually whines about Slavic immigration into British places like Canada (or indeed Britain itself).
     
    And rightly so, since in hindsight (in foresight, too, for that matter), it's proven much more of a curse than a blessing to his people. To be clear, I'm talking about the arrival of my own predecessors too here (perhaps not "slavic" in your eyes, but part of the same general wave) - every bit as much a curse as yours, perhaps even more so.

    If southern and eastern Europeans were the only (or at least overwhelming) beneficiaries of immigrationist largess - as was once the case - I'd probably lie through my teeth about its wonders just as you do. But we're not, so I'll happily side with anyone who wants to end this madness (rather than perpetuate it, like you do), even if in the course of ending it dirty, hidden truths are aired.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AP

    And rightly so, since in hindsight (in foresight, too, for that matter), it’s proven much more of a curse than a blessing to his people. To be clear, I’m talking about the arrival of my own predecessors too here (perhaps not “slavic” in your eyes, but part of the same general wave) – every bit as much a curse as yours, perhaps even more so

    Unlike most of the other Southern and Eastern European immigrants in Canada, Ukrainians were a settler nation who came to basically empty lands and turned them into highly productive farmland and Canada into one of the world’s main agricultural exporters. That settlement also prevented the Americans from claiming the empty territory (another reason the British/ Canadian authorities invited the Ukrainians in). This was the primary impact of Ukrainian immigration on Canada. I guess Native Indians could complain that their grazing and hunting areas were turned into massive wheat farms but the buffalos seem to have been hunted out prior to the Ukrainians’ arrival.

    The Ukrainians did not change the character of the French and English areas that much (Ukrainians also settled in Toronto but they were heavily outnumbered by the Italians, Portuguese and other Europeans who did far more in transforming that city than did the Ukrainians).

    Ukrainians tend to vote Conservative so if anything they have been a brake on mass immigration because for some reason the Anglos and Scots just love flooding their homelands with non-Europeans. Inconvenient Ukrainians slow down the project of self-displacement.

    I’ll happily side with anyone who wants to end this madness (rather than perpetuate it, like you do

    Where did I ever claim that I wanted to perpetuate it?

    • Disagree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @AP

    Immigration has a bi-partisan consensus in Canada.
    Ukranians vote Conservative in Alberta & Liberal in Ontario.

    They do ethnic politics - all candidates in a Ukr area will be Ukr.
    Anglos haven't been displaced cities just grew - the GVA is one city & plenty white.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canadians-more-supportive-than-ever-of-immigration-new-poll-finds-but/

    Conservatives brought in mass immigration & gun licenses LOL.
    Canadians don't race-bait - this is your bid at acceptance.

    If all you can do is point at how much worse the other guy is..

    Replies: @AP

  271. @sher singh
    @AP


    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life. Though I suspect that in many ways Natives are better off now as modern Canadians then they had been had Europeans never come (living as tribesmen in premodernity, killing each other, etc.)
     
    Only a materialist with no shred of dignity says this - a Whore. Guess it's not just Hoholuska.

    There is a similar but much less extreme process in Toronto. Montreal remains the same, French seems to be a barrier.
     
    No. AP goes to the Chinese parts of Vancouver - declares it bereft of English and posts un Unz.

    Yes, it’s certainly a gentler way of losing one’s homeland and way of life.
     
    Moving to the suburbs into a bigger home?

    Replies: @AP

    Only a materialist with no shred of dignity

    There is nothing particularly dignified about that lifestyle. Romantic 19th century weirdos idealized it but their predecessors who were certainly not materialists did not. They fixed them, at great effort.

    No. AP goes to the Chinese parts of Vancouver

    What “Chinese parts?” – much of the city is Chinese. But not skid row, not many Chinese among the junkies. I stayed near Stanley Park and wandered around. It’s a beautiful city populated mostly by well off Asians (mostly East but a few South) with a White and Native underclass. Great sushi, presumably made by Chinese rather then Japanese or Koreans.

  272. Sher Singh says:
    @AP
    @silviosilver


    And rightly so, since in hindsight (in foresight, too, for that matter), it’s proven much more of a curse than a blessing to his people. To be clear, I’m talking about the arrival of my own predecessors too here (perhaps not “slavic” in your eyes, but part of the same general wave) – every bit as much a curse as yours, perhaps even more so
     
    Unlike most of the other Southern and Eastern European immigrants in Canada, Ukrainians were a settler nation who came to basically empty lands and turned them into highly productive farmland and Canada into one of the world’s main agricultural exporters. That settlement also prevented the Americans from claiming the empty territory (another reason the British/ Canadian authorities invited the Ukrainians in). This was the primary impact of Ukrainian immigration on Canada. I guess Native Indians could complain that their grazing and hunting areas were turned into massive wheat farms but the buffalos seem to have been hunted out prior to the Ukrainians’ arrival.

    The Ukrainians did not change the character of the French and English areas that much (Ukrainians also settled in Toronto but they were heavily outnumbered by the Italians, Portuguese and other Europeans who did far more in transforming that city than did the Ukrainians).

    Ukrainians tend to vote Conservative so if anything they have been a brake on mass immigration because for some reason the Anglos and Scots just love flooding their homelands with non-Europeans. Inconvenient Ukrainians slow down the project of self-displacement.

    I’ll happily side with anyone who wants to end this madness (rather than perpetuate it, like you do

     

    Where did I ever claim that I wanted to perpetuate it?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Immigration has a bi-partisan consensus in Canada.
    Ukranians vote Conservative in Alberta & Liberal in Ontario.

    They do ethnic politics – all candidates in a Ukr area will be Ukr.
    Anglos haven’t been displaced cities just grew – the GVA is one city & plenty white.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canadians-more-supportive-than-ever-of-immigration-new-poll-finds-but/

    Conservatives brought in mass immigration & gun licenses LOL.
    Canadians don’t race-bait – this is your bid at acceptance.

    If all you can do is point at how much worse the other guy is..

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sher Singh

    There are a few prominent ethnic Ukrainian Liberal politicians from Ontario but the people tend to vote Conservative there. The famous far right politician in Toronto who came in third place during a mayoral election is an ethnic Ukrainian (don’t know anyone who supported her though):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Goldy

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Matra

  273. @Sher Singh
    @AP

    Immigration has a bi-partisan consensus in Canada.
    Ukranians vote Conservative in Alberta & Liberal in Ontario.

    They do ethnic politics - all candidates in a Ukr area will be Ukr.
    Anglos haven't been displaced cities just grew - the GVA is one city & plenty white.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canadians-more-supportive-than-ever-of-immigration-new-poll-finds-but/

    Conservatives brought in mass immigration & gun licenses LOL.
    Canadians don't race-bait - this is your bid at acceptance.

    If all you can do is point at how much worse the other guy is..

    Replies: @AP

    There are a few prominent ethnic Ukrainian Liberal politicians from Ontario but the people tend to vote Conservative there. The famous far right politician in Toronto who came in third place during a mayoral election is an ethnic Ukrainian (don’t know anyone who supported her though):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Goldy

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @AP

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkdale%E2%80%94High_Park#Members_of_Parliament

    Everyone but the Chinese (Cons) or Muslims (Lib) swing votes.
    Stop trying to recruit for Azov lol & Goldy is a leftist with a Greek dad.

    Your entire narrative is racialist & if you're too stupid to realize it then w/e.
    Not much dif than the German toilet poker who thinks it's cool.

    --
    Just another mentally ill online nationalist.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Matra
    @AP


    There are a few prominent ethnic Ukrainian Liberal politicians from Ontario but the people tend to vote Conservative there
     
    Even if true, I'm not so sure about the numbers, it was only after it became a multiculti party. Back when it mattered and there was still a chance of preserving the nation the Ukrainians of Ontario along with pretty much all the non-Germanic ethnic Europeans voted Liberal. Since about 2006 even Jews - the most anti-national, anti-Christian demographic to ever exist - vote Conservative because they know it is really just the old Liberal Party their parents and grandparents grew up with. (If it became populist, anti-immigration - it won't! - the Jews would do what US neocons did after Trump and return to their original party). Voting Conservative means nothing in Canada, at least not at the federal level. But it wouldn't surprise me if future Ukrainian citizens (hundreds of thousands are arriving) vote for them in significant numbers as there are no differences on Ukraine policy between the Conservatives & Liberals and also because there is no longer a rival Anglo identity attached to the CP.

    Replies: @AP

  274. Why are Anglosphere Indian communities so disproportionately Punjabi Sikh? from AskHistorians

    8 comments so far but none are considered acceptable.

    I wonder if anybody else has noticed those fuckers are so damn rude that even India doesn’t want them.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The avg Hindu considers Sikhs patriotic supersoldiers.
    Butthurt whitnats online can wallow in hate all they want..

  275. Sher Singh says:
    @AP
    @Sher Singh

    There are a few prominent ethnic Ukrainian Liberal politicians from Ontario but the people tend to vote Conservative there. The famous far right politician in Toronto who came in third place during a mayoral election is an ethnic Ukrainian (don’t know anyone who supported her though):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Goldy

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Matra

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkdale%E2%80%94High_Park#Members_of_Parliament

    Everyone but the Chinese (Cons) or Muslims (Lib) swing votes.
    Stop trying to recruit for Azov lol & Goldy is a leftist with a Greek dad.

    Your entire narrative is racialist & if you’re too stupid to realize it then w/e.
    Not much dif than the German toilet poker who thinks it’s cool.


    Just another mentally ill online nationalist.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sher Singh

    The Ukrainians have largely left that neighborhood for points further west such as Etobicoke. That is now the most Ukrainian part of Toronto. They still have some infrastructure and a few residents in Bloor West but it isn’t as heavily Ukrainian as it once was.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  276. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    In all honesty, the prospect of a bunch of Sikhs taking over and keeping me from eating beef ranks about on par with Martian invasion on the list of things I'm realistically concerned about. I'll be happy to raise the threat assessment once you guys have solidified control of the Indian subcontinent.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Mikel, @Thulean Friend

    the prospect of a bunch of Sikhs taking over and keeping me from eating beef ranks about on par with Martian invasion on the list of things I’m realistically concerned about.

    If the Martians are peaceful I think I’d rate the beef abolitionists as a bigger threat to human well-being.

    To my knowledge, Sher Singh has never explained what’s wrong with eating beef anyway. He should just try a properly aged rib-steak and he’d forget all those archaic myths.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    Both dog & beef eating are UnAryan. You can find reasons why they're bad.


    I understand that it's become a culture war issue between White untouchables & Libs.
    It's not really our problem, men with Weapons don't explain themselves.

    The Guru has ordered an end to cow slaughter.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @sudden death
    @Mikel


    To my knowledge, Sher Singh has never explained what’s wrong with eating beef anyway. He should just try a properly aged rib-steak and he’d forget all those archaic myths.
     
    Just a guess, but those types of eating taboos probably had some slight rational background which was forgotten eons ago since they were instituted, like some epidemic or poisoning, e.g. probable ancient local spikes of mad cow disesases, when communities were affected and had human victims on noticable scale.

    The same with Arab pork or alcohol ban, e.g. ancient tribes there quite likely were enough hot-headed even when sober, so wine consumption probably had absolutely devastating violent effect on inner social order when consumption began, so some sort of religious reasons had to be invented to deal with it.

    Replies: @sher singh, @songbird

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    I respect the reasons for not eating beef, even if I don't subscribe. The cow is giver of milk and is therefore a mother figure, providing countless calories over her lifetime. Also, for Hindu's, there are a variety of theological reasons for the sacred place of the cow.

    There also seem to be a variety of opinions within Sikhism on eating meat in general or beef in particular. I'm no expert, so can't adjudicate, but it seems to come in from Hindu influence.

    https://sikhheritageeducation.com/meat-eating-is-it-permissible-for-sikhs/

    I live in a place with long winters and can't be feeding hay to plethora of useless bulls anyhow. I respect my milk cow and she deserves a good retirement when no longer able to produce milk.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mikel

  277. @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/ydjpdo/why_are_anglosphere_indian_communities_so/

    8 comments so far but none are considered acceptable.

    I wonder if anybody else has noticed those fuckers are so damn rude that even India doesn't want them.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    The avg Hindu considers Sikhs patriotic supersoldiers.
    Butthurt whitnats online can wallow in hate all they want..

  278. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    the prospect of a bunch of Sikhs taking over and keeping me from eating beef ranks about on par with Martian invasion on the list of things I’m realistically concerned about.
     
    If the Martians are peaceful I think I'd rate the beef abolitionists as a bigger threat to human well-being.

    To my knowledge, Sher Singh has never explained what's wrong with eating beef anyway. He should just try a properly aged rib-steak and he'd forget all those archaic myths.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    Both dog & beef eating are UnAryan. You can find reasons why they’re bad.

    I understand that it’s become a culture war issue between White untouchables & Libs.
    It’s not really our problem, men with Weapons don’t explain themselves.

    The Guru has ordered an end to cow slaughter.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    Both dog & beef eating are UnAryan.
     
    That's like putting rotten acorns and almonds in the same food category. You don't know what you're talking about. As I said, just try some top quality steak and then you'll be able to come back and discuss culinary matters.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Sean, @sher singh

  279. @Sher Singh
    @AP

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkdale%E2%80%94High_Park#Members_of_Parliament

    Everyone but the Chinese (Cons) or Muslims (Lib) swing votes.
    Stop trying to recruit for Azov lol & Goldy is a leftist with a Greek dad.

    Your entire narrative is racialist & if you're too stupid to realize it then w/e.
    Not much dif than the German toilet poker who thinks it's cool.

    --
    Just another mentally ill online nationalist.

    Replies: @AP

    The Ukrainians have largely left that neighborhood for points further west such as Etobicoke. That is now the most Ukrainian part of Toronto. They still have some infrastructure and a few residents in Bloor West but it isn’t as heavily Ukrainian as it once was.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @AP

    Toronto is hard Liberal for decades now. I went to school in C Etobicoke.
    That whole area from Bloor to Burnamthorpe/Sauga is still Slavic esp since 2014.

    Toronto's not shitlib outside the downtown core & Conservatives have done more for immigration.
    Ukrainians aren't a secret society, and are tight with Sikhs or just about anyone.

  280. @YetAnotherAnon
    @LatW


    " victims deserve justice. It’s easy to speak that way about other people’s children. If your people were victims, you would be ok to say – let us not seek justice. But do not speak that way about others. "
     
    Lots of peoples have been victims of war crimes and have not sought justice. The children of Germany and Japan for starters.

    https://i.postimg.cc/9MLdCRDT/Bundesarchiv-Bild-146-1979-025-19-A-Koeln-Kinderleichen-nach-Luftangriff.jpg


    On a a less sombre but still pretty important note, I can't believe Germany is so passive, as their "allies" sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime - a crime which could justify retribution.

    https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/1987197/1987197_wl6tkn5myax6kup.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Matra, @LatW

    Lots of peoples have been victims of war crimes and have not sought justice

    Unfortunately, they weren’t able to. It remains to be seen if the Ukrainians will be able to.

    [MORE]

    I can’t believe Germany is so passive, as their “allies” sever their energy arteries then stop them investigating the crime – a crime which could justify retribution.

    Don’t know if it’s a “crime” (although certainly will put a strain on the elderly and other vulnerable groups, not to mention potential layoffs if they will happen), it’s just generally a super unfortunate situation. It’s the last thing we needed, but it’s not that we didn’t see it coming. Covid was a weakening factor, so it’s not surprising that a war (or some kind of reshuffling of power) would follow after something like that.

    What is interesting, though, is how willingly Germany has stepped up to the leadership role in the future reconstruction program. Of course, the funds will be coming from various sources, but I thought the “allies&friends” would have to implore Germany much longer and harder, but Germany seems to have assumed that leadership position rather willingly.

    It might be that they’re seeing long term opportunities there. And of course you can’t have ruins forever on your doorstep.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @LatW

    I would not say that Ukraine is on the German doorstep. Poland might have something to say.

    "how willingly Germany has stepped up to the leadership role in the future reconstruction program"

    As any future reconstruction program will probably need Russian assent, it's a pretty safe bet to volunteer for the rebuild.

    "It might be that they’re seeing long term opportunities there."

    It'll need to be a YUGE opportunity to compensate for the loss of Russian gas. And they've dumped their nuke power.

    No, the US Ukraine policy has inflicted a near-mortal blow on the mighty German economy. Third time in 104 years, but at least they declared their emnity the last two times.

    Replies: @LatW

  281. @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    Um, who said a bunch of Sikhs would do it? I have no disagreement with Liberals or WEF on the issue

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Barbarossa

    That is the beauty of living in the hinterlands; I can do what I want. I lived like I saw fit during the ‘Vid freakout along with the majority of those around me. There was almost no disruption.

    DC or Albany or the Bavarian Illuminati can pass whatever laws they want down the pipeline concerning cow farts or anything else, but nobody will be able or interested in really enforcing. It’s just not worth the effort.

    I’d like to get back to your points on tribe vs. race when I have more time since I think you are on the right track. That is what we have around me, at least to a limited degree; a certain sense of tribe and community. We have each other’s backs and keep the local governments and enforcement on a reasonable and human level. The county and local governments roll their eyes at what Albany does, nods their heads, and ignores what they need to.

    Folks need to remember that national political races don’t mean much; the real effect on you personally is at the local political level, and your vote really matters there.

    • Thanks: sher singh
  282. Don’t know if it’s a “crime”

    Oh, you meant the explosions… yes, strange. Did you know there were a few arrests in Norway, too, recently, and just generally strange activity by the pipelines there as well as in the High North.

  283. @silviosilver
    @AP


    Once upon a time the British Europeans displaced the native Indians and now the cycle continues and the Chinese and Asian Indians have displaced the British Europeans,
     
    Lol, as I never tire of pointing out, the racial bullshit never ceases with this mendacious worm.

    The "cycle continues", you see. It's just a natural part of the rhythm of life. Has nothing to do with, you know, deliberate fucking policy<