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The attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines have accelerated the commenting, so here’s a new Open Thread for the Karlin Community. Here’s an appropriate meme for the Western coverage of the incident:

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  1. The new thread is appreciated.

    Interestingly. Two of the last three OT refreshes have been requested by non posting anon’s:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions-2/?showcomments#comment-5541325

    anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    September 12, 2022 at 12:51 pm GMT • 20.0 days ago ↑
    New Karlin open thread needed.

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions-2/?showcomments#comment-5578560

    anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:
    October 2, 2022 at 8:32 am GMT • 5.0 hours ago • 100 Words ↑
    New Russian Reaction thread please.

    Clearly we are providing value outside of our own group.

    PEACE 😇

  2. Yeah, the US mass media coverage of that incident is quite revealing. PBS NewsHour, News Nation and David Muir hosted ABC News being among the stand outs.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    First you make money building it up, then by destroying it. In October with end of the fiscal year and bonuses calculated the inevitable destruction starts. October is like that for a reason.

    With $100+ trillions in un-payable debts the West cannot save itself by issuing more debt. It mathematically cannot go on. Debt is a claim on real assets by two parties. When the cashing-out starts nothing can stop it: it is a choice between inflation and impoverishment. Or you get both.

    They are choosing inflation so far, but there are limits - you can't raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years. Having a war looked like a better option, but they should pick a weaker opponent. You never fix problems by losing a war - it was clear from the beginning that Russia can't be defeated: they are at home and have nukes.

    Blowing up the pipes was like taking a sh..t in a drawer when losing an apartment lease. Of course, you would deny it. This is getting good.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  3. Why does Islam openly celebrate homosexuality? (1)

    Atlanta’s ‘Queer Muslim’ City Council Member Flaunts Her ‘Nonmonogamous’ Lifestyle

    She’s in a “nonmonogamous” relationship with two other women. Bakhtiari had been dating Kris Brown, a dancer-turned-political operative, for a decade when they decided to add a third woman, Sarah Al-Khayyal, to the mix.

    “In the fall of 2020, Bakhtiari met Al-Khayyal through a virtual nonmonogamy support group,” NBC News informs readers in a glowing feature. “Al-Khayyal is a policy manager at a nonprofit and is on the Atlanta mayor’s LGBTQ advisory board.”

    NBC News reports, “’But we’re openly showing it and proud of it,’ Bakhtiari, 34, said during a video interview, as Brown and Al-Khayyal sat on either side. ‘It should be destigmatized. It’s a very valid familial structure that people should embrace.’”

    Brown said that she was “cool with” adding a third person to the relationship.

    Is this embrace of deviancy a way to aim towards the top slot of SJW victimhood and entitlement?

    The unification of SJW Islam as a gay religion is incredibly obvious in Europe and America. This incontrovertible fact is openly flaunted for all to see.

     

     

    Putting it on an ‘authoritarian liberal’ face diaper makes it even more symbolic as a way to support the anti-Christian establishment.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://pjmedia.com/columns/chris-queen/2022/10/01/atlantas-queer-muslim-city-council-member-flaunts-her-nonmonogamous-lifestyle-n1633788

  4. @Mikhail
    Yeah, the US mass media coverage of that incident is quite revealing. PBS NewsHour, News Nation and David Muir hosted ABC News being among the stand outs.

    Replies: @Beckow

    First you make money building it up, then by destroying it. In October with end of the fiscal year and bonuses calculated the inevitable destruction starts. October is like that for a reason.

    With $100+ trillions in un-payable debts the West cannot save itself by issuing more debt. It mathematically cannot go on. Debt is a claim on real assets by two parties. When the cashing-out starts nothing can stop it: it is a choice between inflation and impoverishment. Or you get both.

    They are choosing inflation so far, but there are limits – you can’t raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years. Having a war looked like a better option, but they should pick a weaker opponent. You never fix problems by losing a war – it was clear from the beginning that Russia can’t be defeated: they are at home and have nukes.

    Blowing up the pipes was like taking a sh..t in a drawer when losing an apartment lease. Of course, you would deny it. This is getting good.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    With $100+ trillions in un-payable debts the West cannot save itself by issuing more debt. It mathematically cannot go on.
     
    It mathematically cannot go on forever but it can go on for much longer than you'd think possible. Even if this really is the end, it's an end that was brought forward by at least a decade thanks to the Covid lockdowns/spending.

    I hope that this is it, but I was sure that 2008 was the endgame and they managed to keep the ship floating for 11 years until Covid hit. I'm not certain that they can't do it again.

    you can’t raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years
     
    Yes you can. Doing just that is how historically every country has resolved unsustainable debt levels. The US will get there eventually, but not yet

    it was clear from the beginning that Russia can’t be defeated: they are at home and have nukes
     
    Putin could be overthrown and replaced with a leader more accommodating with the West, or Russia could break up into multiple countries. I think both of those things are extremely unlikely, but they are possible


    I do feel pretty optimistic about the military situation. I think the Russians will launch a winter offensive in December and I think they'll have some success. While the US economy might, might, be able to hang on indefinitely, the EU economies are going down this winter. The new Republican Congress won't be able to end funding for the war, but they might be able to reduce it. Once this war is over, then China can move on Taiwan and the end of US unipolarity will be official.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

  5. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:

    If the war were to start now, given the current set of circumstances, victory for Russia would look like holding onto the parts of Ukraine they are occupying, regardless of whether Ukraine the sovereign state joined NATO and remained hyper-militarised or not.

    “Not too bad” for Russia would be holding onto what they had at the beginning of February, and Ukraine joining NATO.

    Neutral would be Russia holding onto Crimea.

    And a Russian loss would be having to return Crimea to Ukraine.

    Meanwhile, Russian catastrophe would be losing some part of actual Russia, perhaps to the Chechens, Dagestanis, the Ukrainians, or just fed up Russians.

    I think it is certainly possible that Russia achieves a “neutral” result.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Neutral would be Russia holding onto Crimea.
     
    Neutral would be going back to the lines on Feb 24. If Russia keeps Mariupol, north-Lugansk, Kherson, Berdyansk, they would win. Not a big win, but still a win.

    If the war were to start now
     
    As far as Russia is concerned it is not a war, only 'special military operation'. Next week the four regions become officially part of Russia, they could declare a war. Or give Kiev 30 days to vacate what they consider Russian territory. The four regions are not in Russia until Duma approval - for some reason Russia is going through slow legal steps. US did something similar before attacking Iraq, a law by Congress, formal signing, etc...

    So the moment of truth is coming: once Russia completes the legal steps they either go for the full control of the territory they claim, or not and look like losers. They are facing around 700k Ukie soldiers and are risk-averse trying to avoid casualties. To me that suggests massive remote bombing with collateral damage. They can do it. The question is what would be Nato's response.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Triteleia Laxa

  6. AP says:

    Genetically, Ukrainians, Poles and central/Southern Russians are nearly identical, while northern Russians are quite different. Do you think that Poles, Ukrainians and non-Northern Russians are one ethnicity?

    Poles are definitely of a different ethnicity.

    The Polish language belongs to a different language group, Poles are of a different religious denomination and they use a different alphabet. The genesis of their language points out that historically they are of a different ethnicity.

    On top of that there is alienation between theirs and that of the East Slavic peoples religious affiliation. These influences are sufficient for formation of a separate ethnic group. And Poles are different enough genetically as well.

    East Slavs – Russians from central-southern regions, Belarusians and Ukrainians – form a cluster on their own, though these populations do not overlap entirely with each other.

    Russians from the northern region of the European part of Russia are differentiated from the rest of the East Slavs, and on genetic plots lie in the vicinity of their Finnic-speaking geographic neighbors.

    Poles either overlap or lie close to East Slavs.

    Genetic Heritage of the Balto-Slavic Speaking Populations
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0135820

    Therefore Ukrainians and Russians are one ethnicity. The exceptions are the northern Russians and the western Ukrainians – the former for being genetically more distant from the rest due to a close relationship with Finnic peoples, and the latter for being culturally different due to a close relationship with Poles.

    However the northern Russians are not as much different from the rest since they speak the same language and belong entirely to the same culture.

    The western Ukrainians are different from the rest because they speak a different language. We can say that these are a different ethnic group. The rest of the Ukrainians are not.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The Polish language belongs to a different language group, Poles are of a different religious denomination and they use a different alphabet. The genesis of their language points out that historically they are of a different ethnicity.
     
    Correct. On the other hand, the flood of Polish words into the Ukrainian language is such that for a naive Ukrainian speaker (one who has learned neither Russian nor Ukrainian) the Polish language is about as easy/difficult to understand as is Russian. Russian is closer in grammar and pronunciation, Polish closer in vocabulary.

    And Poles are different enough genetically as well.
     
    On the chart you posted there is not much genetic overlap between Ukrainians and non-northern Russians, and Ukrainians are as close to Russians as they are to Poles. Belarussians overlap both Ukrainians and Russians. Slovenes are very close to Ukrainians, closer than Russians are (genetically, not culturally):

    https://i.postimg.cc/BQXgpBTz/Genetic-structure-of-the-Balto-Slavic-populations.png

    All of three groups are close together of course.

    On top of that there is alienation between theirs and that of the East Slavic peoples religious affiliation.
     
    I've heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic subjects/slaves. This separated them from their Polish brothers.

    And religious rite is not the only factor. Orthodoxy in Ukraine was heavily influenced by Catholicism even though it was anti-Catholic.

    The western Ukrainians are different from the rest because they speak a different language. We can say that these are a different ethnic group. The rest of the Ukrainians are not.
     
    By "western Ukrainians" this would apply not only to Galicians but also to people from the Right Bank and in Poltava on the other side of the Dnipro- areas where the majority are Ukrainian speaking.

    And then you have a place like the city of Kiev. Mostly Russian-speaking by first or preferred language of use, but nearly everyone fluent in Ukrainian also. And many if not most of the Russian-speakers in places like Kiev have Ukrainian-speaking cousins in some village , or Ukrainian-speaking grandparents, or friends with whom they socialize in the Ukrainian language. In other words, although Ukrainian is not their primary language it is not a foreign language for them either. And this makes such Russian-speaking Ukrainians very different from a Russian-speaking Russian from Moscow, or Samara, or Sevastopol.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Here Be Dragon

  7. @Triteleia Laxa
    If the war were to start now, given the current set of circumstances, victory for Russia would look like holding onto the parts of Ukraine they are occupying, regardless of whether Ukraine the sovereign state joined NATO and remained hyper-militarised or not.

    "Not too bad" for Russia would be holding onto what they had at the beginning of February, and Ukraine joining NATO.

    Neutral would be Russia holding onto Crimea.

    And a Russian loss would be having to return Crimea to Ukraine.

    Meanwhile, Russian catastrophe would be losing some part of actual Russia, perhaps to the Chechens, Dagestanis, the Ukrainians, or just fed up Russians.

    I think it is certainly possible that Russia achieves a "neutral" result.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Neutral would be Russia holding onto Crimea.

    Neutral would be going back to the lines on Feb 24. If Russia keeps Mariupol, north-Lugansk, Kherson, Berdyansk, they would win. Not a big win, but still a win.

    If the war were to start now

    As far as Russia is concerned it is not a war, only ‘special military operation’. Next week the four regions become officially part of Russia, they could declare a war. Or give Kiev 30 days to vacate what they consider Russian territory. The four regions are not in Russia until Duma approval – for some reason Russia is going through slow legal steps. US did something similar before attacking Iraq, a law by Congress, formal signing, etc…

    So the moment of truth is coming: once Russia completes the legal steps they either go for the full control of the territory they claim, or not and look like losers. They are facing around 700k Ukie soldiers and are risk-averse trying to avoid casualties. To me that suggests massive remote bombing with collateral damage. They can do it. The question is what would be Nato’s response.

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
    @Beckow

    " They are facing around 700k Ukie soldiers "

    I don't know where you're getting your figures from but the Ukrainian army has been reduced by 200,000 since the beginning of the war due to deaths or injuries. They have nowhere near 700,000 in their military any more, if they ever did.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Here Be Dragon

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    To me that suggests massive remote bombing with collateral damage. They can do it. The question is what would be Nato’s response.
     
    They can't, and I've informed you as to why you should be able to know that yourself.

    If you can't even successfully bomb enemy advances, you most certainly don't have much in the way of resources, or capability, to substantially affect the enemy well-behind their lines and within their air defence umbrella.

    Honestly, you should just take my point on board. Anyone who disagrees with it was never a professional and has little idea of how these things work. It is a very basic observation.
  8. Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @sudden death


    Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)
     
    That's not a cunning trap. How many times does Saker have to explain that it's called mobile defense, as anyone minimally familiar with military science should know? Those poor advancing Ukrainians are doomed :-)

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @Lurker
    @sudden death

    It seems like months ago I was first hearing that umpteen thousand Russians were trapped in Kherson and were retreating or would be captured. Someone seems to have forgotten to tell the Russians this.

    And the Russians, like me, have probably lost track of how many times those bridges have been destroyed trapping them in Kherson.

    , @LatW
    @sudden death


    Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)
     
    Arestovych was saying yesterday that there is another "present" coming soon, this time in Kherson, but that he is not ready to announce it before the military announce it.

    Here's a fresh comment from Ivan Yakovina:

    - The pro-Russian Telegram channels are buzzing about "an approaching catastrophe in Kherson", the Ukrainian army has broken through and racing towards Dnipro, the front is breaking in half;

    - Russians do not have enough reserves, communications, weather too bad for the planes, panic among Russian troops in the Northern Kherson;

    - Kadyrov publicly blaming the Russian general Lapin, initiating an open quarrel between different siloviks;

    - Girkin saying that the Russian troops have been pushed down to Dudchany;

    - It looks like the Russians can only retreat southwards, their supply lines from Kachovka are compromised, Ukrainians are pushing downwards along the bank of the river;

    - The collapse of the Russian frontlines could lead to power struggles in Kremlin (that have already began in the last couple of days);

    - Simonyan has sensed that the war may be lost, seeking hastily to re-position herself, distance herself from Putin; Solovyov, too, criticizing the Kremlin, looking for a way out.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aub_POhsMe4

    Слава ЗСУ!

  9. Meh, keep the faith, there’s no harm in it. Krazny Liman? You’ve heard the same song before in other places in earlier times that the media forgot about since. Z!

  10. I don’t recall the Russians being defeated on multiple fronts on the same day before.

  11. Blinken has called the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines a “tremendous opportunity” to move away from energy dependence on Russia:

    [MORE]

    The charitable interpretation is that the man is a tactless idiot. Maybe not the most likely explanation though.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    However, the very idea that highly technological German industry can exist or is in such position that it can exist only because of having the sole and eternal discount supply from abroad should be deeply insulting to the national patriots in principle, therefore opportunity is to getaway from from such cucked energetic position.

    And it should not necessarily mean only replacing imports from RF to US LNG - atomophobia should be abolished, overall natgas consumption reduced by installing German made replacement and/or efficiency increasing technologies and so on.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    Blinken has called the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines a “tremendous opportunity” to move away from energy dependence on Russia

    The charitable interpretation is that the man is a tactless idiot. Maybe not the most likely explanation though.
     
    Why would you expect anything else from Leftoids and the illegitimate White House occupation? They hate America. Not-The-President Biden is an enemy of the U.S.

    The fake administration refused to work with Gov. DeSantis while Hurricane Ian was approaching Florida: (1)

    President Joe Biden appeared reluctant to speak directlyFlorida governor Ron DeSantis (R) as the federal government prepares for Hurricane Ian.

    Biden revealed Tuesday afternoon that he spoke with the mayors of Tampa, St. Petersburg, and Clearwater in preparation for the storm.

    “I told each one of them, whatever they need contact me directly,” he said at the White House but made no mention of DeSantis.

    UPDATE -- The White House revealed Tuesday evening that Biden ultimately called DeSantis, several hours after reporters questioned the president’s reluctance to do so.
     
    They are also trying to blame the storm on climate change mythology: (2)

    The grotesque politicization of Hurricane Ian has come in two primary forms.

    The first is a concentrated effort to exploit the natural disaster to push a Green-New-Deal-esque climate change agenda. The most prominent example of this blatant politicization is a now-viral interview in which CNN host Don Lemon repeatedly attempts to get an expert to blame Hurricane Ian on climate change.

    When the expert calmly explains that no single disaster can be directly blamed on climate change, Lemon doesn’t accept this answer and asks again. (Now, another guest will apparently be going on to provide a more politically satisfying version of the “science.”)
     
    At this point the U.S. cannot do anything to anyone. The internal strife is so dramatic, there is no such thing as American foreign policy.

    You need to set vastly lower expectations for the next two years of White House failure. Not-The-President Harris will likely be elevated early next year. As bad is it is now.... Much worse is coming.

    PEACE 😇
    __________


    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/27/joe-biden-ignoring-phone-call-ron-desantis-ahead-hurricane-ian/

    (2) https://instapundit.com/545695/

    Replies: @keypusher

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    He definitely is an idiot. There is an intentional message though: Washington is the master and Germany is the servant. Did you ever see this old Pepe Escobar from 2017?

    He was saying then that the crime syndicate in Washington was going to have cut Germany a new one.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/05/washington-and-berlin-on-a-collision-course/

    If/when the German population figures this out it's going to get wild. If I was them I would be thinking about pulling out of NATO and closing the American bases. With friends like this you all don't even need any enemies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @216

    , @AP
    @German_reader

    This does suggest that the USA didn’t do it, and that it’s clear to German officials that USA didn’t do it.

  12. @sudden death
    Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)

    https://i.redd.it/fcgt6m648fr91.png

    Replies: @Mikel, @Lurker, @LatW

    Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)

    That’s not a cunning trap. How many times does Saker have to explain that it’s called mobile defense, as anyone minimally familiar with military science should know? Those poor advancing Ukrainians are doomed 🙂

    • Agree: sudden death, Bashibuzuk
    • LOL: LatW
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Mikel

    What is the Saker’s batting average?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  13. @German_reader
    Blinken has called the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines a "tremendous opportunity" to move away from energy dependence on Russia:

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1576326018893492225

    The charitable interpretation is that the man is a tactless idiot. Maybe not the most likely explanation though.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    However, the very idea that highly technological German industry can exist or is in such position that it can exist only because of having the sole and eternal discount supply from abroad should be deeply insulting to the national patriots in principle, therefore opportunity is to getaway from from such cucked energetic position.

    And it should not necessarily mean only replacing imports from RF to US LNG – atomophobia should be abolished, overall natgas consumption reduced by installing German made replacement and/or efficiency increasing technologies and so on.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's all nice and good, and in principle I even agree with much of it (pro-nuclear power, reducing dependence on a single supplier), but still, those pipelines didn't blow themselves up, and every scenario for "Russia did it" isn't exactly plausible. I've thought about it, and my gut feeling is that Ukraine did it, possibly with American support. PiS Poland are dicks, but in the end they're still daft Catholic conservatives who might have certain scruples. On the other hand, Ukraine's intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories. They probably also killed Dugin's daughter. From my pov there is no reason to think they also wouldn't be ruthless and capable enough to blow up Nordstream. And the implications of that would be enormous. At the very least there needs to be a serious investigation, not this bs where the matter is treated as if it is of no importance anyway.

    Replies: @LatW, @The Big Red Scary

    , @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    A German Russian alliance would make a lot of historical sense. Guderian learned his craft in Kazan after all.

  14. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    However, the very idea that highly technological German industry can exist or is in such position that it can exist only because of having the sole and eternal discount supply from abroad should be deeply insulting to the national patriots in principle, therefore opportunity is to getaway from from such cucked energetic position.

    And it should not necessarily mean only replacing imports from RF to US LNG - atomophobia should be abolished, overall natgas consumption reduced by installing German made replacement and/or efficiency increasing technologies and so on.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    That’s all nice and good, and in principle I even agree with much of it (pro-nuclear power, reducing dependence on a single supplier), but still, those pipelines didn’t blow themselves up, and every scenario for “Russia did it” isn’t exactly plausible. I’ve thought about it, and my gut feeling is that Ukraine did it, possibly with American support. PiS Poland are dicks, but in the end they’re still daft Catholic conservatives who might have certain scruples. On the other hand, Ukraine’s intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories. They probably also killed Dugin’s daughter. From my pov there is no reason to think they also wouldn’t be ruthless and capable enough to blow up Nordstream. And the implications of that would be enormous. At the very least there needs to be a serious investigation, not this bs where the matter is treated as if it is of no importance anyway.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    On the other hand, Ukraine’s intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories.
     
    Ukraine's intelligence services are quite capable (they have a capable and a very hawkish man in charge, Budanov), but those removals of the collaborators are essentially taking place on their home ground (that's a much more routine type of special operations category than a risky foreign operation) the Dugin assassination is relatively "close to home", so to speak (it is not solved but I spoke to someone who's relative is very high up at RT and they were scared and thought they too could've have been assassinated so some Russians definitely do believe that one was the Ukrainians but who knows).

    For Ukrainians to go so far into the North, in completely foreign waters and do this would be very bold even if they had access to the technology to do it. It wouldn't make sense politically, as it would alienate too many in Europe. Such a move would be way too scandalous on the eve of Euro integration and requests for weapon's deliveries.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader


    On the other hand, Ukraine’s intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories.
     
    Also in the territories retaken by Ukraine, though that dirty work is often done by the natsbats. In particular, the Diocese of Izyum-Kupansk was regularly posting photos of feast days and episcopal visits to local parishes, until they suddenly stopped doing so three weeks ago. Ukrainian nationalists and schismatics are very angry that Metropolitan Elisey and the priests and parishioners of his diocese blessed the new civil administration. Probably the metropolitan and many of the priests are dead or imprisoned.

    https://risu.ua/mitropolit-upc-mp-z-izyumu-blagoslovlyaye-kolaborantiv-a-svyashchenik-v-hersoni-propoviduye-yednist-z-zagarbnikami_n131275

    None of this is unusual by historical standards (brutal repression of civilian populations was carried out by all sides in World War II), but ultimately, it's an unconscionable failure on the part of Moscow to tell the people of Izyum region that they were there to stay, only to evacuate without a fight.

    Go big or go home.

    Replies: @German_reader

  15. @German_reader
    Blinken has called the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines a "tremendous opportunity" to move away from energy dependence on Russia:

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1576326018893492225

    The charitable interpretation is that the man is a tactless idiot. Maybe not the most likely explanation though.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    Blinken has called the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines a “tremendous opportunity” to move away from energy dependence on Russia

    The charitable interpretation is that the man is a tactless idiot. Maybe not the most likely explanation though.

    Why would you expect anything else from Leftoids and the illegitimate White House occupation? They hate America. Not-The-President Biden is an enemy of the U.S.

    The fake administration refused to work with Gov. DeSantis while Hurricane Ian was approaching Florida: (1)

    President Joe Biden appeared reluctant to speak directlyFlorida governor Ron DeSantis (R) as the federal government prepares for Hurricane Ian.

    Biden revealed Tuesday afternoon that he spoke with the mayors of Tampa, St. Petersburg, and Clearwater in preparation for the storm.

    “I told each one of them, whatever they need contact me directly,” he said at the White House but made no mention of DeSantis.

    UPDATE — The White House revealed Tuesday evening that Biden ultimately called DeSantis, several hours after reporters questioned the president’s reluctance to do so.

    They are also trying to blame the storm on climate change mythology: (2)

    The grotesque politicization of Hurricane Ian has come in two primary forms.

    The first is a concentrated effort to exploit the natural disaster to push a Green-New-Deal-esque climate change agenda. The most prominent example of this blatant politicization is a now-viral interview in which CNN host Don Lemon repeatedly attempts to get an expert to blame Hurricane Ian on climate change.

    When the expert calmly explains that no single disaster can be directly blamed on climate change, Lemon doesn’t accept this answer and asks again. (Now, another guest will apparently be going on to provide a more politically satisfying version of the “science.”)

    At this point the U.S. cannot do anything to anyone. The internal strife is so dramatic, there is no such thing as American foreign policy.

    You need to set vastly lower expectations for the next two years of White House failure. Not-The-President Harris will likely be elevated early next year. As bad is it is now…. Much worse is coming.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/27/joe-biden-ignoring-phone-call-ron-desantis-ahead-hurricane-ian/

    (2) https://instapundit.com/545695/

    • Replies: @keypusher
    @A123


    The fake administration refused to work with Gov. DeSantis while Hurricane Ian was approaching Florida
     
    Going by your source, Biden was reluctant to participate in a meaningless telephonic equivalent of a photo-op, although he was evidently shamed into doing it. When it comes to genuine assistance, well, DeSantis asked for Federal money and got it immediately.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-s-pleas-for-hurricane-aid-raise-hackles-amid-vast-partisan-divide/ar-AA12tkiR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dd9e9164367a430b80ea95b4caec9c0f

    https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20220929/president-joseph-r-biden-jr-approves-major-disaster-declaration-florida

    The Biden and DeSantis administrations appear to be cooperating normally to deal with the hurricane and its aftermath.

    Also, Biden beat Trump by seven million votes. It was not a particularly close election.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

  16. Philip Owen says:

    The language is irrelevant. I speak English. I am most definitely not English.

    As I told you before you do not understand what an identity is and how it works. I am a Ukrainian-born, Russian-speaking half-Romanian, and half-Jew.

    Define my ethnic belonging.

    Exactly the same happened in my country as happened in Ukraine. A flood of immigrant speakers of the imperial language settled during a coal mining boom and swamped the local language.

    You got it all backwards.

    Ukraine had not been a separate state when Poland conquered it, nor had there been a separate Ukrainian language at the time. Poland conquered a part of Russia – some territories of a part of what is now Ukraine.

    The population of those territories were the same Russian people, who spoke the Russian language in other parts of Russia. The eastern and southern part of what is now Ukraine were then a part of the Crimean Khanate, where Turkic peoples lived.

    It was due to segregation from the rest of Russia and the influence of Polonization the Ukrainian language appeared, as a result of assimilation of those Russians who had spent a few hundred years under the Polish rule.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization

    The eastern and southern parts of Ukraine were conquered and populated with immigrants from other parts of Russia. As a result of that, now we have a country in which one half of the population is affiliated with Poland, and the other with Russia.

    And the Ukrainian language was not replaced with Russian – it has been prevalent in those parts of Ukraine that were re-conquered from Poland, and even in the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine there were schools where instructions were given in Ukrainian.

    Most of schools in the rural areas were Ukrainian, as that was the native language of rural population. Those Ukrainian-speaking people were as much the immigrants in those southern and eastern territories, as were the Russian-speaking urban populations.

    To put it plain and simple, the people in the western part of Ukraine are Polonized Russians.

    My loss of my own language accentuates the challenge to my identity, it doesn’t reduce it.

    Of course it does.

    Language influences relationships, relationships turn into relatedness over time, and given it enough time a new ethnic group can form, due to a language alone.

    Language influences self-perception, and at the same time the perception of a person by other people. I do not speak Romanian, so I feel being less of a Romanian I would be, if I did. At the same time, for the Romanians I am as much a Romanian, as the surname I bear makes them feel whether I am one of them or not.

    You know how the Jews define who is a Jew?

    A Jew is someone who considers himself a Jew, if other Jews consider him a Jew as well.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Ukraine had not been a separate state when Poland conquered it, nor had there been a separate Ukrainian language at the time. Poland conquered a part of Russia – some territories of a part of what is now Ukraine.

    The population of those territories were the same Russian people, who spoke the Russian language in other parts of Russia. The eastern and southern part of what is now Ukraine were then a part of the Crimean Khanate, where Turkic peoples lived.

    It was due to segregation from the rest of Russia and the influence of Polonization the Ukrainian language appeared, as a result of assimilation of those Russians who had spent a few hundred years under the Polish rule.
     
    This is misleading. Russia is Great Russia, rebranded Muscovy, same as the northeastern parts of Rus, the principality of Suzdal. It has developed its own language and customs.

    Ukraine was never a part of Russia in this sense until Russia started grabbing parts of it from the 17th century. Just as Italy, Spain, or France were never part of Romania.

    There were various East Slavic tribes who were conquered and subjugated by the Rus, and took their name. They had been apart for a few centuries by the time the Rus took over, so even then by the 9th century they probably had certain cultural and linguistic differences, as Americans do from the English. Rus split into warring principalities by 1150, and Mongols swept in around 1240.

    Those Rus people living in the northeast would be be ruled by Tatars for a couple of centuries, would have some influence from them, when their language would eventually be standardized it would include a lot of Church Slavonic words (South Slavic). These would be the Russians. They called themselves Russky.

    The Rus in the central and western parts would be ruled by Poland and would get a flood of Polish cultural and linguistic influence. They would call themselves Rusyns or Rusnaks. They would call Russians - Muscovites, and consider them to be a foreign people. In the 19th century they would rename themselves Ukrainians.

    The Ukrainians were once Rus but they had never been Russians (that is, having the Muscovite culture and speaking the Great Russian/Russian language with its Church Slavonic and Asian words).

    The ethnogenesis of the Eastern Slavs was not a process of some Russians becoming Ukrainians, but rather it was some Rus becoming Ukrainians and other Rus becoming Russians. As some Romans became Italians, others became Romanians, others Spaniards, etc.

    I am a Ukrainian-born, Russian-speaking half-Romanian, and half-Jew.
     
    You are ignoring the fact that 2 of your 4 grandparents were Russians, because you think that ancestry is limited to patrilineal and matrilineal lines; that you are not 50% descended from your Russian maternal grandfather and Russian paternal grandmother.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  17. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Neutral would be Russia holding onto Crimea.
     
    Neutral would be going back to the lines on Feb 24. If Russia keeps Mariupol, north-Lugansk, Kherson, Berdyansk, they would win. Not a big win, but still a win.

    If the war were to start now
     
    As far as Russia is concerned it is not a war, only 'special military operation'. Next week the four regions become officially part of Russia, they could declare a war. Or give Kiev 30 days to vacate what they consider Russian territory. The four regions are not in Russia until Duma approval - for some reason Russia is going through slow legal steps. US did something similar before attacking Iraq, a law by Congress, formal signing, etc...

    So the moment of truth is coming: once Russia completes the legal steps they either go for the full control of the territory they claim, or not and look like losers. They are facing around 700k Ukie soldiers and are risk-averse trying to avoid casualties. To me that suggests massive remote bombing with collateral damage. They can do it. The question is what would be Nato's response.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Triteleia Laxa

    ” They are facing around 700k Ukie soldiers ”

    I don’t know where you’re getting your figures from but the Ukrainian army has been reduced by 200,000 since the beginning of the war due to deaths or injuries. They have nowhere near 700,000 in their military any more, if they ever did.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Joe Paluka


    They have nowhere near 700,000 in their military any more, if they ever did.
     
    That would not stop enterprising Ukie generals getting salaries of 700,000 troops. Ukiestan is not the most corrupt country on Earth for nothing.
    , @Here Be Dragon
    @Joe Paluka


    They [the Ukrainian army] have nowhere near 700,000 in their military any more, if they ever did.
     
    Ukraine aims to amass 'million-strong army' to fight Russia, says defence minister
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62118953

    "We have approximately 700,000 in the armed forces and when you add the national guard, police, border guard, we are around a million-strong."
  18. @A123
    @German_reader


    Blinken has called the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines a “tremendous opportunity” to move away from energy dependence on Russia

    The charitable interpretation is that the man is a tactless idiot. Maybe not the most likely explanation though.
     
    Why would you expect anything else from Leftoids and the illegitimate White House occupation? They hate America. Not-The-President Biden is an enemy of the U.S.

    The fake administration refused to work with Gov. DeSantis while Hurricane Ian was approaching Florida: (1)

    President Joe Biden appeared reluctant to speak directlyFlorida governor Ron DeSantis (R) as the federal government prepares for Hurricane Ian.

    Biden revealed Tuesday afternoon that he spoke with the mayors of Tampa, St. Petersburg, and Clearwater in preparation for the storm.

    “I told each one of them, whatever they need contact me directly,” he said at the White House but made no mention of DeSantis.

    UPDATE -- The White House revealed Tuesday evening that Biden ultimately called DeSantis, several hours after reporters questioned the president’s reluctance to do so.
     
    They are also trying to blame the storm on climate change mythology: (2)

    The grotesque politicization of Hurricane Ian has come in two primary forms.

    The first is a concentrated effort to exploit the natural disaster to push a Green-New-Deal-esque climate change agenda. The most prominent example of this blatant politicization is a now-viral interview in which CNN host Don Lemon repeatedly attempts to get an expert to blame Hurricane Ian on climate change.

    When the expert calmly explains that no single disaster can be directly blamed on climate change, Lemon doesn’t accept this answer and asks again. (Now, another guest will apparently be going on to provide a more politically satisfying version of the “science.”)
     
    At this point the U.S. cannot do anything to anyone. The internal strife is so dramatic, there is no such thing as American foreign policy.

    You need to set vastly lower expectations for the next two years of White House failure. Not-The-President Harris will likely be elevated early next year. As bad is it is now.... Much worse is coming.

    PEACE 😇
    __________


    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/27/joe-biden-ignoring-phone-call-ron-desantis-ahead-hurricane-ian/

    (2) https://instapundit.com/545695/

    Replies: @keypusher

    The fake administration refused to work with Gov. DeSantis while Hurricane Ian was approaching Florida

    Going by your source, Biden was reluctant to participate in a meaningless telephonic equivalent of a photo-op, although he was evidently shamed into doing it. When it comes to genuine assistance, well, DeSantis asked for Federal money and got it immediately.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-s-pleas-for-hurricane-aid-raise-hackles-amid-vast-partisan-divide/ar-AA12tkiR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dd9e9164367a430b80ea95b4caec9c0f

    https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20220929/president-joseph-r-biden-jr-approves-major-disaster-declaration-florida

    The Biden and DeSantis administrations appear to be cooperating normally to deal with the hurricane and its aftermath.

    Also, Biden beat Trump by seven million votes. It was not a particularly close election.

    • LOL: A123
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @keypusher


    Also, Biden beat Trump by seven million votes.
     
    Sure, Mugabe in Zimbabwe was also winning numerous elections. What’s more, always by a wide margin. Dementia never hurt anyone’s electoral prospects.
    , @A123
    @keypusher

    -- ROTFLMAO --

    Where are you from?

    You are clearly not an American.

    Under the U.S. Constitution only the Electoral College matters. Everyone serious knows that the popular count totals have 0% relevance to anything. Quoting such gibberish numbers is equivalent to shooting up massive doses of concentrated #NeverTrump COPIUM.

    Are you trying to humiliate yourself? If so, you are succeeding.

    The 2020 election was stolen by Fultoning (∆) in 5 key states. Due to vote fraud the election loser, Not-The-President Biden, occupies the White House.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) Fultoning - Verb - Election fraud openly committed in Fulton County, Georgia, circa 2020. Including, but not necessarily limited to -- Ballot fabrication, tampering with predict equipment, and exclusion of legally required observers.

    Replies: @keypusher

  19. Copium overdoses are being reported across the pro-Russia blogosphere and YouTube community. They are claiming the defeat in Lyman doesn’t matter because it is not strategically important. A part of Russia – according to the Russian state – being conquered by another state the day after it was formally annexed is no big deal, just a typical day in the world of geopolitics.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Matra


    A part of Russia – according to the Russian state – being conquered by another state the day after it was formally annexed is no big deal, just a typical day in the world of geopolitics.
     
    Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. It's not over until it's over.

    Replies: @A123, @Matra

  20. Monitor of Halls says:

    I’ve seen this boilerplate for months, years even. Is it copy and pasted? Did you know you are full NPC on this issue?

    No I did not, and I have never seen someone who thought as I do. Most people either talk about taking Donbas and the south of Ukraine, or the whole of it.

    I think it should be the entire left bank and regarding the south it should depend on whether the rest of Ukraine becomes a neutral puppet state of Russia, or a part of Poland – if the latter is the case, Odessa should be taken as well.

    Anyway, let me rephrase my question: how would you react if Russia exploded a nuclear weapon in Ukraine?

    If there was a nuclear explosion in Ukraine I would think it was a false flag operation, because Russia has no need and no reason whatsoever to make such a stupid and irrational move. You trolls are pushing that narrative for some people to be able to assess the potential reaction of the general public, but it does not make sense.

    A nuclear explosion would be benefitial for Ukraine because that might result in a direct NATO interference. Such an event might lead to a potential expulsion of Russia from the UN Security Counsil – and therefore, it would be benefitial for the United States.

    But in no plausible scenario would it be benefitial for the Russians.

    Do not forget that while you and other trolls here are spinning out that “Yahoo! Ukraine attacks! The Russians are running!” – cow crap, what the Russians are in fact doing is shortening the frontline around the areas where the Ukrainians have amassed an immence amount of personnel, and are pushing forward re-taking a piece of wasteland having 8:1 advantage in manpower. That “Northern Victory” of yours is meaningless.

    And in the meantime while you are here posting all that stupid bunch of nonsense on all the fences all over the place, the Russians are mobilizing 300 thousand people and are preparing the infrustructure for their arrival.

    Better start thinking what you will be writing here when they start a real offensive later this winter.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Here Be Dragon

    The Russian military are not much use more than 90 miles from a railhead. That's at least one of the reasons that it was preposterous that they could have completely overrun Ukraine. The other alamist thing was saying there was a total invasion with only 150,000 soldiers.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  21. @Joe Paluka
    @Beckow

    " They are facing around 700k Ukie soldiers "

    I don't know where you're getting your figures from but the Ukrainian army has been reduced by 200,000 since the beginning of the war due to deaths or injuries. They have nowhere near 700,000 in their military any more, if they ever did.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Here Be Dragon

    They have nowhere near 700,000 in their military any more, if they ever did.

    That would not stop enterprising Ukie generals getting salaries of 700,000 troops. Ukiestan is not the most corrupt country on Earth for nothing.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  22. @keypusher
    @A123


    The fake administration refused to work with Gov. DeSantis while Hurricane Ian was approaching Florida
     
    Going by your source, Biden was reluctant to participate in a meaningless telephonic equivalent of a photo-op, although he was evidently shamed into doing it. When it comes to genuine assistance, well, DeSantis asked for Federal money and got it immediately.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-s-pleas-for-hurricane-aid-raise-hackles-amid-vast-partisan-divide/ar-AA12tkiR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dd9e9164367a430b80ea95b4caec9c0f

    https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20220929/president-joseph-r-biden-jr-approves-major-disaster-declaration-florida

    The Biden and DeSantis administrations appear to be cooperating normally to deal with the hurricane and its aftermath.

    Also, Biden beat Trump by seven million votes. It was not a particularly close election.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

    Also, Biden beat Trump by seven million votes.

    Sure, Mugabe in Zimbabwe was also winning numerous elections. What’s more, always by a wide margin. Dementia never hurt anyone’s electoral prospects.

  23. @sudden death
    Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)

    https://i.redd.it/fcgt6m648fr91.png

    Replies: @Mikel, @Lurker, @LatW

    It seems like months ago I was first hearing that umpteen thousand Russians were trapped in Kherson and were retreating or would be captured. Someone seems to have forgotten to tell the Russians this.

    And the Russians, like me, have probably lost track of how many times those bridges have been destroyed trapping them in Kherson.

  24. @Matra
    Copium overdoses are being reported across the pro-Russia blogosphere and YouTube community. They are claiming the defeat in Lyman doesn't matter because it is not strategically important. A part of Russia - according to the Russian state - being conquered by another state the day after it was formally annexed is no big deal, just a typical day in the world of geopolitics.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    A part of Russia – according to the Russian state – being conquered by another state the day after it was formally annexed is no big deal, just a typical day in the world of geopolitics.

    Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. It’s not over until it’s over.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. It’s not over until it’s over.
     
    😁 Can we count chickens that are being dragged? 😂

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEit_1Ms0-ScA-a-P2P4FEKxex-zLrbLjzTtDOtFupJ4TG0NQaA0fddRBault7ic9iLR0yyfmLUGSB5cj8sR1f6NlTGIdZpd_e5oXK4-JS5m3Gjoxy8Ehswmu2yEIA1Mwz3Kfs_aW3iXMjtV3vdqXj4DQPbMLAVgGI8L7YN4USC9gqZ8A_CFiAJ3Q7aD/s376/daily_gifdump_4168_25.gif

    , @Matra
    @AnonfromTN

    I know but I'm quite fascinated by people who insist on optimism no matter what the facts are. It reminds me of American conservatives. For as long as I can remember they've constantly insisted that they are winning when it is obvious that they are not. Their refusal to acknowledge reality detracts from their ability to improve their situation, after all if you're always winning you don't need to change anything.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  25. @keypusher
    @A123


    The fake administration refused to work with Gov. DeSantis while Hurricane Ian was approaching Florida
     
    Going by your source, Biden was reluctant to participate in a meaningless telephonic equivalent of a photo-op, although he was evidently shamed into doing it. When it comes to genuine assistance, well, DeSantis asked for Federal money and got it immediately.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-s-pleas-for-hurricane-aid-raise-hackles-amid-vast-partisan-divide/ar-AA12tkiR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dd9e9164367a430b80ea95b4caec9c0f

    https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20220929/president-joseph-r-biden-jr-approves-major-disaster-declaration-florida

    The Biden and DeSantis administrations appear to be cooperating normally to deal with the hurricane and its aftermath.

    Also, Biden beat Trump by seven million votes. It was not a particularly close election.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

    — ROTFLMAO —

    Where are you from?

    You are clearly not an American.

    Under the U.S. Constitution only the Electoral College matters. Everyone serious knows that the popular count totals have 0% relevance to anything. Quoting such gibberish numbers is equivalent to shooting up massive doses of concentrated #NeverTrump COPIUM.

    Are you trying to humiliate yourself? If so, you are succeeding.

    The 2020 election was stolen by Fultoning (∆) in 5 key states. Due to vote fraud the election loser, Not-The-President Biden, occupies the White House.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) Fultoning – Verb – Election fraud openly committed in Fulton County, Georgia, circa 2020. Including, but not necessarily limited to — Ballot fabrication, tampering with predict equipment, and exclusion of legally required observers.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    @A123


    The 2020 election was stolen by Fultoning (∆) in 5 key states. Due to vote fraud the election loser, Not-The-President Biden, occupies the White House.
     
    As far as I can tell, the trumpists wildly exaggerated one story coming out of one county and hoped people would extrapolate from there. Evidently it worked with you.

    Every time they got into court (and no, they didn't always lose because they lacked standing, contrary to another trumpist lie) it was obvious they had nothing.

    Replies: @A123

  26. @Joe Paluka
    @Beckow

    " They are facing around 700k Ukie soldiers "

    I don't know where you're getting your figures from but the Ukrainian army has been reduced by 200,000 since the beginning of the war due to deaths or injuries. They have nowhere near 700,000 in their military any more, if they ever did.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Here Be Dragon

    They [the Ukrainian army] have nowhere near 700,000 in their military any more, if they ever did.

    Ukraine aims to amass ‘million-strong army’ to fight Russia, says defence minister
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62118953

    “We have approximately 700,000 in the armed forces and when you add the national guard, police, border guard, we are around a million-strong.”

  27. @AnonfromTN
    @Matra


    A part of Russia – according to the Russian state – being conquered by another state the day after it was formally annexed is no big deal, just a typical day in the world of geopolitics.
     
    Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. It's not over until it's over.

    Replies: @A123, @Matra

    Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. It’s not over until it’s over.

    😁 Can we count chickens that are being dragged? 😂

    PEACE 😇

     

  28. @A123
    @keypusher

    -- ROTFLMAO --

    Where are you from?

    You are clearly not an American.

    Under the U.S. Constitution only the Electoral College matters. Everyone serious knows that the popular count totals have 0% relevance to anything. Quoting such gibberish numbers is equivalent to shooting up massive doses of concentrated #NeverTrump COPIUM.

    Are you trying to humiliate yourself? If so, you are succeeding.

    The 2020 election was stolen by Fultoning (∆) in 5 key states. Due to vote fraud the election loser, Not-The-President Biden, occupies the White House.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) Fultoning - Verb - Election fraud openly committed in Fulton County, Georgia, circa 2020. Including, but not necessarily limited to -- Ballot fabrication, tampering with predict equipment, and exclusion of legally required observers.

    Replies: @keypusher

    The 2020 election was stolen by Fultoning (∆) in 5 key states. Due to vote fraud the election loser, Not-The-President Biden, occupies the White House.

    As far as I can tell, the trumpists wildly exaggerated one story coming out of one county and hoped people would extrapolate from there. Evidently it worked with you.

    Every time they got into court (and no, they didn’t always lose because they lacked standing, contrary to another trumpist lie) it was obvious they had nothing.

    • Replies: @A123
    @keypusher

    — ROTFLMAO —

    Why do you lie so much?

    Are you campaigning to be named, King Lying Liar of Liardom?

    There is no such thing as "Trumpist". Only unhinged, mouth frothing #Bidenista mental dribblers try to use such bizzaro-land terminology.

     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/18/2f/6f182fc98111b38a02aae55ce5d39e93.jpg
     

    Are you troll, paid by MSNBC & Rachel Maddow?

    Please continue to provide comic relief. You are obviously a mentally damaged failure. I would call you a retard, but I do not want to be unkind to a much smarter grade of mentally challenged individuals.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  29. @German_reader
    Blinken has called the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines a "tremendous opportunity" to move away from energy dependence on Russia:

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1576326018893492225

    The charitable interpretation is that the man is a tactless idiot. Maybe not the most likely explanation though.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    He definitely is an idiot. There is an intentional message though: Washington is the master and Germany is the servant. Did you ever see this old Pepe Escobar from 2017?

    He was saying then that the crime syndicate in Washington was going to have cut Germany a new one.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/05/washington-and-berlin-on-a-collision-course/

    If/when the German population figures this out it’s going to get wild. If I was them I would be thinking about pulling out of NATO and closing the American bases. With friends like this you all don’t even need any enemies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If/when the German population figures this out it’s going to get wild.
     
    They won't. Events since 2014/15 have proved beyond doubt that this lemming people of bugmen and pensioners will take everything.
    Still, the official reaction to the Nordstream sabotage is quite bizarre, even funny in a way...the minister of justice tweeted that possibly (!) a crime may have been committed in blowing up the pipes (below MORE). You don't say...

    https://twitter.com/MarcoBuschmann/status/1576484566084161536
    , @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The US simply moved to Poland though.

    , @216
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If I was them I would be thinking about pulling out of NATO and closing the American bases.
     
    Germany refused to stop the mass invasion of migrants, and now explicitly discriminates against ethnic Germans for government jobs.

    It's a nation of cucks.

    Replies: @Wanderghost

  30. Bashibuzuk says:

    Today Ukrainian troops have moved 30km closer towards Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region.

    Meanwhile in RusFed:

    [MORE]

    The State Duma announced the disappearance of 1.5 million sets of military uniforms

    The State Duma was outraged by the provision of the Russian army. According to Andrei Gurulev, a member of the State Duma Defense Committee, one and a half million sets of uniforms were to be stored at the points of reception of personnel.

    “Where did the one and a half million kits that were stored at the points of reception of personnel go? What are these problems with the uniforms? Nobody is able to explain this in any way!” Gurulev said in his Telegram channel.

    The deputy also criticized the decision to transfer to another job, who was responsible for providing troops, Deputy Minister of the Army General Dmitry Bulgakov. “There is no need to send General Bulgakov to another job, you need to specifically ask where, where and why it happened that our mobilized do not receive uniforms,” the deputy said.

    Moscow Times

    В Госдуме заявили об исчезновении 1,5 миллионов комплектов военной формы

    В Госдуме возмутились обеспечением российской армии. По словам члена комитета Госдумы по обороне Андрея Гурулева, на пунктах приема личного состава должно было храниться полтора миллиона комплектов формы.

    «Куда делись полтора миллиона комплектов, которые хранились на пунктах приема личного состава. Откуда проблемы с формой? Это никто никак не собирается объяснить!», — заявил Гурулев в своем телеграм-канале.

    Депутат также раскритиковал решение перевести на другую работу, отвечавшего за обеспечение войск, замминистра генерала армии Дмитрия Булгакова. «Не надо отправлять генерала Булгакова на другую работу, надо конкретно спрашивать, куда, где и почему так случилось, что у нас мобилизованные не получают форму», — сказал депутат.

    Moscow Times

    Let’s keep in mind that during a review of the spending on the RusFed Pacific Fleet, it has been found that 68% of the funds supposedly spent on the modernization of the fleet have been embezzled.

    People in RusFed start asking embarrassing questions, Kadyrov is complaining about incompetent generals, Prigozhyn (of ChVK Wagner fame) agrees with Kadyrov. Some start asking for firing of Shoigu.

    All this is happening before the mobilization would have brought hundreds of thousands of ill equipped troops on a winter frontline. It might become worse in the next few months.

    My opinion is that the situation in RusFed looks somewhat similar to 1905 in Russian Empire or 1990 in USSR, both the war situation and the revolution potential are moving in a very unfavorable direction.

    Not good for RusFed, not good at all…

    Спасибо Путину за это!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Bashibuzuk


    Prigozhyn (of ChVK Wagner fame)
     
    Maybe Prigozhin wants to replace Putin? That would be scary, afaik, he has a criminal record, didn't he murder somebody? The question is what kind of resources Prigozhin and Kadyrov could assemble under them.

    All this is happening before the mobilization would have brought hundreds of thousands of ill equipped troops on a winter frontline. It might become worse in the next few months.
     
    These poor men are being driven into a sure death. They will soon be freezing. They need to come to the UA side as soon as they get there. They will survive and will be treated ok. Otherwise, the coffins will start going back home in huge numbers and very soon... or more likely, simply missing in action and will remain on Ukrainian soil. Then there will be social turmoil.

    My opinion is that the situation in RusFed looks somewhat similar to 1905 in Russian Empire or 1990 in USSR, both the war situation and the revolution potential are moving in a very unfavorable direction.
     
    Agree. Everyone will fight against everyone now in the Russian establishment. Do the Russian people have the stamina to go through what is coming...

    Perun, give us strength!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @showmethereal
    @Bashibuzuk

    Ummmm.... Isn't "Moscow Times" run by westerners??? You think they are credible?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Triteleia Laxa, @keypusher

  31. @keypusher
    @A123


    The 2020 election was stolen by Fultoning (∆) in 5 key states. Due to vote fraud the election loser, Not-The-President Biden, occupies the White House.
     
    As far as I can tell, the trumpists wildly exaggerated one story coming out of one county and hoped people would extrapolate from there. Evidently it worked with you.

    Every time they got into court (and no, they didn't always lose because they lacked standing, contrary to another trumpist lie) it was obvious they had nothing.

    Replies: @A123

    — ROTFLMAO —

    Why do you lie so much?

    Are you campaigning to be named, King Lying Liar of Liardom?

    There is no such thing as “Trumpist”. Only unhinged, mouth frothing #Bidenista mental dribblers try to use such bizzaro-land terminology.

      

    Are you troll, paid by MSNBC & Rachel Maddow?

    Please continue to provide comic relief. You are obviously a mentally damaged failure. I would call you a retard, but I do not want to be unkind to a much smarter grade of mentally challenged individuals.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  32. @AnonfromTN
    @Matra


    A part of Russia – according to the Russian state – being conquered by another state the day after it was formally annexed is no big deal, just a typical day in the world of geopolitics.
     
    Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. It's not over until it's over.

    Replies: @A123, @Matra

    I know but I’m quite fascinated by people who insist on optimism no matter what the facts are. It reminds me of American conservatives. For as long as I can remember they’ve constantly insisted that they are winning when it is obvious that they are not. Their refusal to acknowledge reality detracts from their ability to improve their situation, after all if you’re always winning you don’t need to change anything.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Matra


    Their refusal to acknowledge reality detracts from their ability to improve their situation,
     
    Absolutely. Russian military should realize that they are fighting NATO and act accordingly. Only the cannon fodder is mostly supplied by Ukiestan, the intelligence is all NATO and the weapons are increasingly NATO. Fighting NATO war machine is not the same as fighting third-rate force of corrupt to the core country. Success is impossible without clear understanding what the reality is and changing accordingly. The same applies to the US conservatives.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

  33. German_reader says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    He definitely is an idiot. There is an intentional message though: Washington is the master and Germany is the servant. Did you ever see this old Pepe Escobar from 2017?

    He was saying then that the crime syndicate in Washington was going to have cut Germany a new one.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/05/washington-and-berlin-on-a-collision-course/

    If/when the German population figures this out it's going to get wild. If I was them I would be thinking about pulling out of NATO and closing the American bases. With friends like this you all don't even need any enemies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @216

    If/when the German population figures this out it’s going to get wild.

    They won’t. Events since 2014/15 have proved beyond doubt that this lemming people of bugmen and pensioners will take everything.
    Still, the official reaction to the Nordstream sabotage is quite bizarre, even funny in a way…the minister of justice tweeted that possibly (!) a crime may have been committed in blowing up the pipes (below MORE). You don’t say…

    [MORE]

  34. https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3643585-how-the-ukraine-war-vindicates-realism/

    [S]states, in an “anarchic” world in which there is no supranational government to adjudicate disputes or protect the weak, must take steps to ensure their own survival. With all states under pressure to act in this way, realists argue, the international realm is thus always and necessarily a field of conflict and competition. It is a realm where, as Thucydides put it long ago, “the strong do what they will; the weak suffer what they must.”

    These being the basic assumptions of realism, what does the theory predict?

    To start, it assumes that all states will seek to maximize first their security and then their power. Assuming that states are at least minimally rational actors, they will do whatever they can to avoid extinction. Second, in such a competitive and anarchic world, vulnerable small powers will seek the protection of strong allies. Third, even powerful states, fearful that they might fall prey to other “great powers,” will take steps to maximize their security, often by asserting a sphere of influence, which involves either excluding those other great powers from encroaching on their borders or preventing their weaker neighbors from drifting into the spheres of hostile great powers.

    Fourth, realism predicts that if one great power feels that a country within its sphere is drifting into the orbit of another great power, it will use whatever resources are at its disposal, ultimately including military force, to prevent that from happening. Fifth, realism predicts that, in this scenario, if the invaded country does not immediately succumb to the invader, other great powers – which necessarily have a vested interest in seeing any potential competitor weakened so that it can’t threaten them – will support it to bleed the invading power and degrade its power over the long run.

    And finally, realism predicts that such wars will continue until one of the combatants prevails (satisfies its minimal security needs) or both sides are exhausted and find themselves in a “mutually hurting stalemate.” […]

    Realism is not a theory of morality

    Russia is not a bear, it has agency?; yes. and so does Ukraine. Russia started it? You betcha!

  35. You are obviously a mentally damaged failure. I would call you a retard, but I do not want to be unkind to a much smarter grade of mentally challenged individuals.

    Well, I’m arguing with someone who thinks “fultoning” is a meaningful concept which helps explain the 2020 presidential election. I agree that doesn’t speak well of my mental capacity. But I won’t repeat the error.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @keypusher

    Your apology is accepted.


    I’m arguing with someone who thinks “fultoning” is a meaningful concept which helps explain the 2020 presidential election.
     
    Your admission that Fultoning is important is in understanding the 2020 election is appreciated.

    I agree that doesn’t speak well of my mental capacity.
     
    Your denial of 2020 vote fraud was troubling but it is good that you now admit the truth.

    But I won’t repeat the error.
     
    Excellent. You willingness to stop absurd #NeverTrump fiction is a huge step toward for your mental development.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
  36. @Matra
    @AnonfromTN

    I know but I'm quite fascinated by people who insist on optimism no matter what the facts are. It reminds me of American conservatives. For as long as I can remember they've constantly insisted that they are winning when it is obvious that they are not. Their refusal to acknowledge reality detracts from their ability to improve their situation, after all if you're always winning you don't need to change anything.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Their refusal to acknowledge reality detracts from their ability to improve their situation,

    Absolutely. Russian military should realize that they are fighting NATO and act accordingly. Only the cannon fodder is mostly supplied by Ukiestan, the intelligence is all NATO and the weapons are increasingly NATO. Fighting NATO war machine is not the same as fighting third-rate force of corrupt to the core country. Success is impossible without clear understanding what the reality is and changing accordingly. The same applies to the US conservatives.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Success is impossible without clear understanding what the reality is and changing accordingly. The same applies to the US conservatives.
     
    Certainly, Leftoids are sending huge amounts of money to fund Kiev regime aggression.

    After the midterms, incoming MAGA Republicans will be Christian Populist (not establishment conservative). This will reduce, though not eliminate, U.S. funds transfers supporting Zelensky's violence against Russian Orthodox Christians. Change takes time. In a single, two-year step, modestly improving the situation is the best that can be achieved.

    Hopefully this will be a signal to Ukie Maximalists that their dreams of conquest are about to collapse. What is most needed is an armistice that stops the shooting ASAP.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

    , @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin is at war with reality.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wanderghost

  37. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's all nice and good, and in principle I even agree with much of it (pro-nuclear power, reducing dependence on a single supplier), but still, those pipelines didn't blow themselves up, and every scenario for "Russia did it" isn't exactly plausible. I've thought about it, and my gut feeling is that Ukraine did it, possibly with American support. PiS Poland are dicks, but in the end they're still daft Catholic conservatives who might have certain scruples. On the other hand, Ukraine's intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories. They probably also killed Dugin's daughter. From my pov there is no reason to think they also wouldn't be ruthless and capable enough to blow up Nordstream. And the implications of that would be enormous. At the very least there needs to be a serious investigation, not this bs where the matter is treated as if it is of no importance anyway.

    Replies: @LatW, @The Big Red Scary

    On the other hand, Ukraine’s intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories.

    Ukraine’s intelligence services are quite capable (they have a capable and a very hawkish man in charge, Budanov), but those removals of the collaborators are essentially taking place on their home ground (that’s a much more routine type of special operations category than a risky foreign operation) the Dugin assassination is relatively “close to home”, so to speak (it is not solved but I spoke to someone who’s relative is very high up at RT and they were scared and thought they too could’ve have been assassinated so some Russians definitely do believe that one was the Ukrainians but who knows).

    For Ukrainians to go so far into the North, in completely foreign waters and do this would be very bold even if they had access to the technology to do it. It wouldn’t make sense politically, as it would alienate too many in Europe. Such a move would be way too scandalous on the eve of Euro integration and requests for weapon’s deliveries.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    I doubt they’d dare. Much more likely it was a time bomb set by Americans years ago.

  38. @AnonfromTN
    @Matra


    Their refusal to acknowledge reality detracts from their ability to improve their situation,
     
    Absolutely. Russian military should realize that they are fighting NATO and act accordingly. Only the cannon fodder is mostly supplied by Ukiestan, the intelligence is all NATO and the weapons are increasingly NATO. Fighting NATO war machine is not the same as fighting third-rate force of corrupt to the core country. Success is impossible without clear understanding what the reality is and changing accordingly. The same applies to the US conservatives.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Success is impossible without clear understanding what the reality is and changing accordingly. The same applies to the US conservatives.

    Certainly, Leftoids are sending huge amounts of money to fund Kiev regime aggression.

    After the midterms, incoming MAGA Republicans will be Christian Populist (not establishment conservative). This will reduce, though not eliminate, U.S. funds transfers supporting Zelensky’s violence against Russian Orthodox Christians. Change takes time. In a single, two-year step, modestly improving the situation is the best that can be achieved.

    Hopefully this will be a signal to Ukie Maximalists that their dreams of conquest are about to collapse. What is most needed is an armistice that stops the shooting ASAP.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @A123

    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden's veto are approximately zero.

    There is unlikely to even be any attempt to restrain aid to the Ukraine. Only ten Republicans voted no on the law in the House, and passage in the Senate was unanimous. None of the House Republicans who voted no are in line for leadership positions: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022141

    American public opinion broadly supports aiding the Ukraine: https://news.gallup.com/poll/401168/americans-back-ukrainian-goal-reclaiming-territory.aspx

    Even among Republicans, by 56 to 43 more Republicans support maintaining current levels of assistance (26%) or increasing it (26%) over reducing it.

    With no Congressional leaders in favor of scaling back aid to the Ukraine and no political profit in doing so, it's hard to see why a GOP Congress would do anything. At most they'll investigate irregularities in its provision.

    Russia will only find assistance from the friends Tsar Alexander II noted (since the Russian Air Force would appear to not be much of a friend).

    Replies: @Keypusher

  39. @sudden death
    Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)

    https://i.redd.it/fcgt6m648fr91.png

    Replies: @Mikel, @Lurker, @LatW

    Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)

    Arestovych was saying yesterday that there is another “present” coming soon, this time in Kherson, but that he is not ready to announce it before the military announce it.

    Here’s a fresh comment from Ivan Yakovina:

    – The pro-Russian Telegram channels are buzzing about “an approaching catastrophe in Kherson”, the Ukrainian army has broken through and racing towards Dnipro, the front is breaking in half;

    – Russians do not have enough reserves, communications, weather too bad for the planes, panic among Russian troops in the Northern Kherson;

    – Kadyrov publicly blaming the Russian general Lapin, initiating an open quarrel between different siloviks;

    – Girkin saying that the Russian troops have been pushed down to Dudchany;

    – It looks like the Russians can only retreat southwards, their supply lines from Kachovka are compromised, Ukrainians are pushing downwards along the bank of the river;

    – The collapse of the Russian frontlines could lead to power struggles in Kremlin (that have already began in the last couple of days);

    – Simonyan has sensed that the war may be lost, seeking hastily to re-position herself, distance herself from Putin; Solovyov, too, criticizing the Kremlin, looking for a way out.

    [MORE]

    Слава ЗСУ!

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    • LOL: Mikhail
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  40. @Bashibuzuk
    Today Ukrainian troops have moved 30km closer towards Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region.

    Meanwhile in RusFed:



    The State Duma announced the disappearance of 1.5 million sets of military uniforms

    The State Duma was outraged by the provision of the Russian army. According to Andrei Gurulev, a member of the State Duma Defense Committee, one and a half million sets of uniforms were to be stored at the points of reception of personnel.

    “Where did the one and a half million kits that were stored at the points of reception of personnel go? What are these problems with the uniforms? Nobody is able to explain this in any way!” Gurulev said in his Telegram channel.

    The deputy also criticized the decision to transfer to another job, who was responsible for providing troops, Deputy Minister of the Army General Dmitry Bulgakov. “There is no need to send General Bulgakov to another job, you need to specifically ask where, where and why it happened that our mobilized do not receive uniforms,” the deputy said.

    Moscow Times

     



    В Госдуме заявили об исчезновении 1,5 миллионов комплектов военной формы

    В Госдуме возмутились обеспечением российской армии. По словам члена комитета Госдумы по обороне Андрея Гурулева, на пунктах приема личного состава должно было храниться полтора миллиона комплектов формы.

    «Куда делись полтора миллиона комплектов, которые хранились на пунктах приема личного состава. Откуда проблемы с формой? Это никто никак не собирается объяснить!», — заявил Гурулев в своем телеграм-канале.

    Депутат также раскритиковал решение перевести на другую работу, отвечавшего за обеспечение войск, замминистра генерала армии Дмитрия Булгакова. «Не надо отправлять генерала Булгакова на другую работу, надо конкретно спрашивать, куда, где и почему так случилось, что у нас мобилизованные не получают форму», — сказал депутат.

    Moscow Times

     

    Let's keep in mind that during a review of the spending on the RusFed Pacific Fleet, it has been found that 68% of the funds supposedly spent on the modernization of the fleet have been embezzled.

    People in RusFed start asking embarrassing questions, Kadyrov is complaining about incompetent generals, Prigozhyn (of ChVK Wagner fame) agrees with Kadyrov. Some start asking for firing of Shoigu.

    All this is happening before the mobilization would have brought hundreds of thousands of ill equipped troops on a winter frontline. It might become worse in the next few months.

    My opinion is that the situation in RusFed looks somewhat similar to 1905 in Russian Empire or 1990 in USSR, both the war situation and the revolution potential are moving in a very unfavorable direction.

    Not good for RusFed, not good at all...

    Спасибо Путину за это!

    Replies: @LatW, @showmethereal

    Prigozhyn (of ChVK Wagner fame)

    Maybe Prigozhin wants to replace Putin? That would be scary, afaik, he has a criminal record, didn’t he murder somebody? The question is what kind of resources Prigozhin and Kadyrov could assemble under them.

    All this is happening before the mobilization would have brought hundreds of thousands of ill equipped troops on a winter frontline. It might become worse in the next few months.

    These poor men are being driven into a sure death. They will soon be freezing. They need to come to the UA side as soon as they get there. They will survive and will be treated ok. Otherwise, the coffins will start going back home in huge numbers and very soon… or more likely, simply missing in action and will remain on Ukrainian soil. Then there will be social turmoil.

    My opinion is that the situation in RusFed looks somewhat similar to 1905 in Russian Empire or 1990 in USSR, both the war situation and the revolution potential are moving in a very unfavorable direction.

    Agree. Everyone will fight against everyone now in the Russian establishment. Do the Russian people have the stamina to go through what is coming…

    Perun, give us strength!

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW



    The question is what kind of resources Prigozhin and Kadyrov could assemble under them.
     
    Both are strong men who know that they will pay the price if RusFed is replaced with a social construct even more servile to the Globalized West. Both also know that much can be gained in the Times of Troubles by courageous and violent landlords. Both command respect from their fighters in the way the feudal landlords sometimes did. Both prepare for what is coming next, when VVP hits the exit (one way or another).



    These poor men are being driven into a sure death. They will soon be freezing. They need to come to the UA side as soon as they get there. They will survive and will be treated ok.

     

    Russians are used to die on the frontline. For most Russian men this type of death is entirely normal and acceptable as long as the goals of war are seen as clearly defined and ethically sound. The problem of the current war in Ukraine is that the goals are far from being either entirely clear or morally acceptable.

    Around 2015, the late commander of the Prizrak Battalion of the LNR - Mozgovoy - once spoke with the officers on the Ukrainian side via a live television link. Interestingly enough, both sides soon arrived to the conclusion that this war is not fought in the interest of the populations on both sides of the frontline. It is fought by the corrupt elites for the interests of their clans whom are more often than not linked with some foreign avoirs and interests. Then Mozgovoy got killed, some say that he was liquidated by the FSB, some by the SBU, perhaps it was a joint operation because both special services equally loathed his populism.

    There was a time when this type of discussion and honest debate could lead to a more humane approach towards POWs on both sides, but today there's too much hatred. Milchakov - the Russian ultra-nationalist and self-awoved national socialist who is commanding the Rusich special operations squadron, has recently publicly called for not talking prisoners alive, but for torturing Ukrainian POWs to extract information and then executing them. Similar practices have been occurring also on the Ukrainian side. If I was a Russian soldier on the frontline, I would think twice before surrendering.


    Everyone will fight against everyone now in the Russian establishment. Do the Russian people have the stamina to go through what is coming…
     
    I am unfortunately not sure at all that Russia has what it takes to get through this ordeal. I feel pessimistic about the prospects of the Russian state. But I also know that Russian people have survived even worse situations.

    I sure hope that once the RusFed is done with, some kind of healing process might begin. But perhaps I am just an idealist and the atoms would have decayed too much to yield the needed energy (to use a metaphor inspired by the poem of Georgyi Ivanov) and Russian history can no longer continue as a unified cultural space. After all, Ukraine has already come undound, why not other parts ?

    In this case, I hope that some region of the former Russian Realm might perhaps become a core for completing the Russian nation-building. But here again, hope is scarce because Globalization is probably too strong to allow for that to happen.

    Perun, give us strength!
     
    https://2ch.hk/b/arch/2017-06-22/thumb/155660961/14981224393400s.jpg

    May the spirits of our ancestors give us some wisdom to face these cruel moments. All of us are in dire need of clear understanding of what much be done and what has to be avoided.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  41. It’s not looking good for Russia atm, Girkin’s criticism that they should have gone for Donbass in 2014 looks more and more prescient.

    I can’t see Russia being defeated long-term, especially as China will know that a Russian defeat just puts them top of the list, but the State Department strategy of using one set of Slavs to weaken and bleed another set of Slavs has been masterful, if highly evil.

    Putin managed to face down and tame his own oligarchs, who were and are a pretty nasty bunch. But now he’s fighting the world champion nasty oligarchs.

    To think I found it amusing when Ayatollah Khomeini called the US “the Great Satan”. He was right.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk, GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Sean
    @YetAnotherAnon


    I can’t see Russia being defeated long-term
     
    What makes you think so? Russia's long term trajectory was not a threat to anyone before this war and won't be after it even if it won.


    "If Ukraine defeats Russia, the United States must carefully reflect on its own history. Otherwise, its hubris could prove dangerous, FP’s @stephenWalt writes. '

    Russia needs to disengage, but it can't because Ukraine won't let go.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Putin managed to face down and tame his own oligarchs, who were and are a pretty nasty bunch. But now he’s fighting the world champion nasty oligarchs.
     
    He and his friends simply became the biggest oligarchs.

    He did not free RusFed from corruption.

    And now it might well result in a crushing defeat.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  42. @keypusher

    You are obviously a mentally damaged failure. I would call you a retard, but I do not want to be unkind to a much smarter grade of mentally challenged individuals.
     
    Well, I'm arguing with someone who thinks "fultoning" is a meaningful concept which helps explain the 2020 presidential election. I agree that doesn't speak well of my mental capacity. But I won't repeat the error.

    Replies: @A123

    Your apology is accepted.

    I’m arguing with someone who thinks “fultoning” is a meaningful concept which helps explain the 2020 presidential election.

    Your admission that Fultoning is important is in understanding the 2020 election is appreciated.

    I agree that doesn’t speak well of my mental capacity.

    Your denial of 2020 vote fraud was troubling but it is good that you now admit the truth.

    But I won’t repeat the error.

    Excellent. You willingness to stop absurd #NeverTrump fiction is a huge step toward for your mental development.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  43. @AnonfromTN
    @Matra


    Their refusal to acknowledge reality detracts from their ability to improve their situation,
     
    Absolutely. Russian military should realize that they are fighting NATO and act accordingly. Only the cannon fodder is mostly supplied by Ukiestan, the intelligence is all NATO and the weapons are increasingly NATO. Fighting NATO war machine is not the same as fighting third-rate force of corrupt to the core country. Success is impossible without clear understanding what the reality is and changing accordingly. The same applies to the US conservatives.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Putin is at war with reality.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Putin is at war with reality.
     
    Save everything you and other “true believers” from equally irrelevant vaudeville states write today. Than read it a few weeks from now. Then read it again a few months from now. And read it for the third time in 2024. I don’t expect you to be ashamed, that would be giving you too much credit. But maybe even you can learn something. Hope springs eternal.

    PS. Did your ancestors feel the same when Nazis were near Stalingrad? Just asking.

    , @Wanderghost
    @LatW


    Putin is at war with reality.
     
    Given the reality of unlimited monkeypox piss orgies, lumbering pedo beast girlbosses everywhere, Hunter Biden, borders looking like they're having a sale at the brothel, jewish admiral strutting around in women's clothes, etc etc etc, it is a war worth fighting.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  44. @LatW
    @German_reader


    On the other hand, Ukraine’s intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories.
     
    Ukraine's intelligence services are quite capable (they have a capable and a very hawkish man in charge, Budanov), but those removals of the collaborators are essentially taking place on their home ground (that's a much more routine type of special operations category than a risky foreign operation) the Dugin assassination is relatively "close to home", so to speak (it is not solved but I spoke to someone who's relative is very high up at RT and they were scared and thought they too could've have been assassinated so some Russians definitely do believe that one was the Ukrainians but who knows).

    For Ukrainians to go so far into the North, in completely foreign waters and do this would be very bold even if they had access to the technology to do it. It wouldn't make sense politically, as it would alienate too many in Europe. Such a move would be way too scandalous on the eve of Euro integration and requests for weapon's deliveries.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    I doubt they’d dare. Much more likely it was a time bomb set by Americans years ago.

  45. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    He definitely is an idiot. There is an intentional message though: Washington is the master and Germany is the servant. Did you ever see this old Pepe Escobar from 2017?

    He was saying then that the crime syndicate in Washington was going to have cut Germany a new one.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/05/washington-and-berlin-on-a-collision-course/

    If/when the German population figures this out it's going to get wild. If I was them I would be thinking about pulling out of NATO and closing the American bases. With friends like this you all don't even need any enemies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @216

    The US simply moved to Poland though.

  46. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    However, the very idea that highly technological German industry can exist or is in such position that it can exist only because of having the sole and eternal discount supply from abroad should be deeply insulting to the national patriots in principle, therefore opportunity is to getaway from from such cucked energetic position.

    And it should not necessarily mean only replacing imports from RF to US LNG - atomophobia should be abolished, overall natgas consumption reduced by installing German made replacement and/or efficiency increasing technologies and so on.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    A German Russian alliance would make a lot of historical sense. Guderian learned his craft in Kazan after all.

  47. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin is at war with reality.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wanderghost

    Putin is at war with reality.

    Save everything you and other “true believers” from equally irrelevant vaudeville states write today. Than read it a few weeks from now. Then read it again a few months from now. And read it for the third time in 2024. I don’t expect you to be ashamed, that would be giving you too much credit. But maybe even you can learn something. Hope springs eternal.

    PS. Did your ancestors feel the same when Nazis were near Stalingrad? Just asking.

    • Agree: Here Be Dragon
  48. @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    First you make money building it up, then by destroying it. In October with end of the fiscal year and bonuses calculated the inevitable destruction starts. October is like that for a reason.

    With $100+ trillions in un-payable debts the West cannot save itself by issuing more debt. It mathematically cannot go on. Debt is a claim on real assets by two parties. When the cashing-out starts nothing can stop it: it is a choice between inflation and impoverishment. Or you get both.

    They are choosing inflation so far, but there are limits - you can't raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years. Having a war looked like a better option, but they should pick a weaker opponent. You never fix problems by losing a war - it was clear from the beginning that Russia can't be defeated: they are at home and have nukes.

    Blowing up the pipes was like taking a sh..t in a drawer when losing an apartment lease. Of course, you would deny it. This is getting good.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    With $100+ trillions in un-payable debts the West cannot save itself by issuing more debt. It mathematically cannot go on.

    It mathematically cannot go on forever but it can go on for much longer than you’d think possible. Even if this really is the end, it’s an end that was brought forward by at least a decade thanks to the Covid lockdowns/spending.

    I hope that this is it, but I was sure that 2008 was the endgame and they managed to keep the ship floating for 11 years until Covid hit. I’m not certain that they can’t do it again.

    you can’t raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years

    Yes you can. Doing just that is how historically every country has resolved unsustainable debt levels. The US will get there eventually, but not yet

    it was clear from the beginning that Russia can’t be defeated: they are at home and have nukes

    Putin could be overthrown and replaced with a leader more accommodating with the West, or Russia could break up into multiple countries. I think both of those things are extremely unlikely, but they are possible

    I do feel pretty optimistic about the military situation. I think the Russians will launch a winter offensive in December and I think they’ll have some success. While the US economy might, might, be able to hang on indefinitely, the EU economies are going down this winter. The new Republican Congress won’t be able to end funding for the war, but they might be able to reduce it. Once this war is over, then China can move on Taiwan and the end of US unipolarity will be official.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William

    I think your view is more realistic. The end won’t be a short-term catastrophic event, the crash will come in slow motion. Preceded by high inflation on the imperial patch for many years.

    I don’t think China wants to conquer Taiwan militarily, they would prefer to buy it up, step by step. There will be no war there, unless the empire succeeds in provoking it. If it does, that would accelerate its downfall.

    , @Beckow
    @Greasy William

    I agree that none of this will happen overnight. But there is a huge difference between a stable or growing West and slowly declining one. We have had a "peak West" - now the same steps taken on the way up will be retraced on the way down. That is a lot less fun.


    you can’t raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years

    Yes you can.
     

    You can try, but it will be very volatile. I am talking about Europe not US that has huge resources. We don't have an 'inflation' right now - inflation is a rise in prices and incomes. We only have prices rising and real assets going up, the incomes are not keeping up. Mathematically with 20-30% rise in prices for a few years the real incomes could be a third lower than today, or more. Most Europeans can't do that.

    Holland had 17% inflation (annual) in September. And Holland is a solid well managed economy. The last 2 or 3 generations of very good life made Europeans not ready for a drop in living standards - the toys are being taken away, the energy is too expensive, by next year it could be food. The housing costs were too high even before 2020 and they have continued going up. If incomes stay frozen it will lead to a dramatic crisis - unlike US, Europe has a very riot-friendly big-city architecture.

    After 2008 the system was saved by a one-time coordinated move to lower interest rates to effectively zero. It stabilized the system, made the debts less onerous, and we muddled along for 10 years. Then the crazy self-inflicted Corona contraction happened. There was no orderly way back to normal economy after Corona. This war was wanted - maybe not in a smart way, but in a way one wants to get out of a situation, just to get out. The problem is that it took us to a lot worse place.

  49. Bashibuzuk says:
    @LatW
    @Bashibuzuk


    Prigozhyn (of ChVK Wagner fame)
     
    Maybe Prigozhin wants to replace Putin? That would be scary, afaik, he has a criminal record, didn't he murder somebody? The question is what kind of resources Prigozhin and Kadyrov could assemble under them.

    All this is happening before the mobilization would have brought hundreds of thousands of ill equipped troops on a winter frontline. It might become worse in the next few months.
     
    These poor men are being driven into a sure death. They will soon be freezing. They need to come to the UA side as soon as they get there. They will survive and will be treated ok. Otherwise, the coffins will start going back home in huge numbers and very soon... or more likely, simply missing in action and will remain on Ukrainian soil. Then there will be social turmoil.

    My opinion is that the situation in RusFed looks somewhat similar to 1905 in Russian Empire or 1990 in USSR, both the war situation and the revolution potential are moving in a very unfavorable direction.
     
    Agree. Everyone will fight against everyone now in the Russian establishment. Do the Russian people have the stamina to go through what is coming...

    Perun, give us strength!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    The question is what kind of resources Prigozhin and Kadyrov could assemble under them.

    Both are strong men who know that they will pay the price if RusFed is replaced with a social construct even more servile to the Globalized West. Both also know that much can be gained in the Times of Troubles by courageous and violent landlords. Both command respect from their fighters in the way the feudal landlords sometimes did. Both prepare for what is coming next, when VVP hits the exit (one way or another).

    [MORE]

    These poor men are being driven into a sure death. They will soon be freezing. They need to come to the UA side as soon as they get there. They will survive and will be treated ok.

    Russians are used to die on the frontline. For most Russian men this type of death is entirely normal and acceptable as long as the goals of war are seen as clearly defined and ethically sound. The problem of the current war in Ukraine is that the goals are far from being either entirely clear or morally acceptable.

    Around 2015, the late commander of the Prizrak Battalion of the LNR – Mozgovoy – once spoke with the officers on the Ukrainian side via a live television link. Interestingly enough, both sides soon arrived to the conclusion that this war is not fought in the interest of the populations on both sides of the frontline. It is fought by the corrupt elites for the interests of their clans whom are more often than not linked with some foreign avoirs and interests. Then Mozgovoy got killed, some say that he was liquidated by the FSB, some by the SBU, perhaps it was a joint operation because both special services equally loathed his populism.

    There was a time when this type of discussion and honest debate could lead to a more humane approach towards POWs on both sides, but today there’s too much hatred. Milchakov – the Russian ultra-nationalist and self-awoved national socialist who is commanding the Rusich special operations squadron, has recently publicly called for not talking prisoners alive, but for torturing Ukrainian POWs to extract information and then executing them. Similar practices have been occurring also on the Ukrainian side. If I was a Russian soldier on the frontline, I would think twice before surrendering.

    Everyone will fight against everyone now in the Russian establishment. Do the Russian people have the stamina to go through what is coming…

    I am unfortunately not sure at all that Russia has what it takes to get through this ordeal. I feel pessimistic about the prospects of the Russian state. But I also know that Russian people have survived even worse situations.

    I sure hope that once the RusFed is done with, some kind of healing process might begin. But perhaps I am just an idealist and the atoms would have decayed too much to yield the needed energy (to use a metaphor inspired by the poem of Georgyi Ivanov) and Russian history can no longer continue as a unified cultural space. After all, Ukraine has already come undound, why not other parts ?

    In this case, I hope that some region of the former Russian Realm might perhaps become a core for completing the Russian nation-building. But here again, hope is scarce because Globalization is probably too strong to allow for that to happen.

    Perun, give us strength!

    May the spirits of our ancestors give us some wisdom to face these cruel moments. All of us are in dire need of clear understanding of what much be done and what has to be avoided.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Bashibuzuk


    China, through the one child policy also has been prevented from reaching its full demographic potential.
     
    WWII and Chinese Civil War barely dented China's population. Mao despite being massively unscrupulous managed to triple PRC's population. The Han race for better or worse lacks no fecundity.

    Russian Empire was supposed to have a population of around 400 million by the end of 1940ies, but wars, terror and famine prevented this.
     
    200 million Slavic women would have been very charming. But you really don't want 1.4 billion Slavs, or 1.4 billions Swedes. They wouldn't Slavs or Swedes anymore, but rather ant-like like the Han.

    Russians With Attitude said "we're not gonna survive the fourth genocide in 120 years". 50-80% depopulation was a cyclical thing in Chinese history. It's definitely possible to survive, if risk losing some of your soul.
  50. @YetAnotherAnon
    It's not looking good for Russia atm, Girkin's criticism that they should have gone for Donbass in 2014 looks more and more prescient.

    I can't see Russia being defeated long-term, especially as China will know that a Russian defeat just puts them top of the list, but the State Department strategy of using one set of Slavs to weaken and bleed another set of Slavs has been masterful, if highly evil.

    Putin managed to face down and tame his own oligarchs, who were and are a pretty nasty bunch. But now he's fighting the world champion nasty oligarchs.

    To think I found it amusing when Ayatollah Khomeini called the US "the Great Satan". He was right.

    Replies: @Sean, @Bashibuzuk

    I can’t see Russia being defeated long-term

    What makes you think so? Russia’s long term trajectory was not a threat to anyone before this war and won’t be after it even if it won.

    “If Ukraine defeats Russia, the United States must carefully reflect on its own history. Otherwise, its hubris could prove dangerous, FP’s @stephenWalt writes. ‘

    Russia needs to disengage, but it can’t because Ukraine won’t let go.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Sean

    Fermi's Paradox

    One doesn't even need to look to AGI as explanation. But rather cannibalism, something that happens on a large scale on a cyclical basis in Chinese history, and not practiced even in the animal kingdom.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Sean

  51. Bashibuzuk says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    It's not looking good for Russia atm, Girkin's criticism that they should have gone for Donbass in 2014 looks more and more prescient.

    I can't see Russia being defeated long-term, especially as China will know that a Russian defeat just puts them top of the list, but the State Department strategy of using one set of Slavs to weaken and bleed another set of Slavs has been masterful, if highly evil.

    Putin managed to face down and tame his own oligarchs, who were and are a pretty nasty bunch. But now he's fighting the world champion nasty oligarchs.

    To think I found it amusing when Ayatollah Khomeini called the US "the Great Satan". He was right.

    Replies: @Sean, @Bashibuzuk

    Putin managed to face down and tame his own oligarchs, who were and are a pretty nasty bunch. But now he’s fighting the world champion nasty oligarchs.

    He and his friends simply became the biggest oligarchs.

    He did not free RusFed from corruption.

    And now it might well result in a crushing defeat.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's a boring topic without so much complexity. But I'll write a final post about it. Westerners are often writing in this forum about Putin having the war with oligarchs, like these "oligarch people" are the opposing or hijacking class that contrasts with the state power in the postsoviet countries (this is what you can read from the users like AP, Karlin, Sailer, Reinor Tor), while forgetting the source of the money this class are provisionally holding.

    I think these netizens have the model from the American capitalism. They think oligarch is a kind of businessman who has generated money because of inventing a business as Elon Musk, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    Elon Musk could use the money from the entrepreneur's invention (e.g. Paypal and Tesla) to change the public opinion in the elections (buy Twitter). Americans have the fears about Muskian wealth like in "Citizen Kane", where the interests of a businessman is degrading the democracy and the transparency of information access.

    Westerners are worried the public will be tricked by these private businessmen who will influence to elect politicians that support their interests.

    An inverse implication is they believe the possibility of patriotic politicians who can fight against the private businessmen.

    Such kind of patriotic politicians will defend the legal branch of the government against financial interests. A strong politician should fight for the position of the ordinary citizen, so each individual citizen has equal political influence, in contrast to only the "big money" interest that often corrupts American politics. There was some of the unlikely narratives that Q Anon has attached for Donald Trump, like he would fight against the "big money".

    But that is America. In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily - government. A situation with oligarchs in postsoviet countries will be easy to understand for people from Iran or Saudi Arabia, or even most countries in the world.

    A lot more simple in such countries. If you were talking to Saudis, they would understand where the wealth of the oligarchs is in origin, although you might need to add some new vocabulary like "Prince".

    In the postsoviet space not just the laws are from the state, but the main industries are properties of state to recent years. The owning of the former state property are nowadays informally attached to the royal court. Some oligarchs have to work managing parts of court, including in the finances. It's like if you see all the money in the bank and without understanding the bank is holding not only its own money.

    Westerners ask why some of the courts' cashiers are falling from the power and hiring private militaries for their exile security, believing because the politicians might be opposed to businessmen as a general class, not as simply individuals, not remembering dangers for individual traitors have been the same in Soviet times, or for disobedient individual people like Khashoggi in countries like Saudi Arabia. (There are people like Khashoggi who fall into trouble with the Saudi authorities, as individuals, not as a class.)

    They don't seem to think about whose permission they have to hold this money or who allows to have this money. Whose money they are also holding informally in postsoviet countries? Who allows you to hold the money that was so central to the state, only recently not formally the state, and still informally not so distant from it?



    But he is basically of Polish-Galician ethnic stock and he is deeply attached to his roots.

    He is and always will be partial.
     
    Lol I don't think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires, too much for the views of AP, from his colonial house in somewhere like New England.

    Peoples like Poles believe nationalism based in the 19th century concept, but in America it's more like immigrants are supporting their favorite sports team, sometimes with a lot of wealth for this "hobby".

    To cultural context AP, I feel it is assimilation of the culture of post-Ellis Island immigrants in the North Eastern states in the US. They support their ethnic origin like a baseball team, as also their religious group. Irish are funding the independence partisans in Ireland, Jews were supporting development in "New Yishuv" in Palestine.

    But from what I understand of my years writing with him, AP is also living in elite area in North East US, where it is normal to boast of your personal prestige. It is a place where there is the strong pressure to climb the social ladder. Maybe he wasn't in an "Ivy", but from his writing it is like he needs ways to match such kind of prestigious neighbors.

    I assume he has become a "real white person", although his family are immigrants from the undeveloped parts of the world and he has political views more of Cuban immigrants in Miami, not so many prestigious virtue signaling of the normal WASPs in Dartmouth or Yale.

    As for AP's way of thinking. America has been a successful country as a colony, so I would not says this cultural context was more maladaptive than our own context. Probably my writing smells bad for him like he is talking to someone who is in the ashheap of history and that I have an unhealthy addiction to rolling on the trash.

    The same goes for Mr Hack, who is a nice person of Ukrainian background and who is rooting for the country of his ancestors
     
    I'm receiving some kind of relaxing atmosphere of sitting next to a cactus tree in Arizona from Mr Hack.

    Perhaps it is due to the very nature of our native language, which is so precise and complex and yet so open to lexical innovation and search for novel meaning?
     
    It's a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Нам внятно всё — и острый галльский смысл,
    И сумрачный германский гений…

    А если нет — нам нечего терять,
    И нам доступно вероломство!
    Века, века вас будет проклинать
    Больное позднее потомство!

     

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

  52. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    With $100+ trillions in un-payable debts the West cannot save itself by issuing more debt. It mathematically cannot go on.
     
    It mathematically cannot go on forever but it can go on for much longer than you'd think possible. Even if this really is the end, it's an end that was brought forward by at least a decade thanks to the Covid lockdowns/spending.

    I hope that this is it, but I was sure that 2008 was the endgame and they managed to keep the ship floating for 11 years until Covid hit. I'm not certain that they can't do it again.

    you can’t raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years
     
    Yes you can. Doing just that is how historically every country has resolved unsustainable debt levels. The US will get there eventually, but not yet

    it was clear from the beginning that Russia can’t be defeated: they are at home and have nukes
     
    Putin could be overthrown and replaced with a leader more accommodating with the West, or Russia could break up into multiple countries. I think both of those things are extremely unlikely, but they are possible


    I do feel pretty optimistic about the military situation. I think the Russians will launch a winter offensive in December and I think they'll have some success. While the US economy might, might, be able to hang on indefinitely, the EU economies are going down this winter. The new Republican Congress won't be able to end funding for the war, but they might be able to reduce it. Once this war is over, then China can move on Taiwan and the end of US unipolarity will be official.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    I think your view is more realistic. The end won’t be a short-term catastrophic event, the crash will come in slow motion. Preceded by high inflation on the imperial patch for many years.

    I don’t think China wants to conquer Taiwan militarily, they would prefer to buy it up, step by step. There will be no war there, unless the empire succeeds in provoking it. If it does, that would accelerate its downfall.

  53. 15 Fullbacks have been shot down in this war. That’s over 10% of those produced, and an unsustainable loss ratio. Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems, let alone large number of MANPADS. MIM-104 and THAAD have not been deployed

    Iraq in 1991 achieved the loss of only two comparable F-15E, which the true equivalent is the long retired F-111.

    There is no Russian copy of the American JDAM, a cheap guided bomb. Apparently the Chinese did reverse engineer JDAM, but the Russians are not using it. The losses are the likely result of low altitude attacks using non-guided bombs.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @216


    Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems
     
    I think they could with the right countermeasures. It's just that Russian ECM are total garbage.


    You aren't even supposed to use ground attack aircraft until SEAD is complete, so I have no idea what the Russians are even doing.

    Replies: @216, @Thorfinnsson

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @216

    Our trolls have got reinforcement. Whose opinion are these children intend to influence here?

    A bunch of liars.


    There is no Russian copy of the American JDAM, a cheap guided bomb. Apparently the Chinese did reverse engineer JDAM, but the Russians are not using it.
     
    It is the second post 216 troll has made tonight in which he lies. That must be because such are the instructions from Arestovich.

    Tell him that I like talking about guns so it is not going to work on this page.

    "The KAB-500S-E is a guided bomb designed for the Russian Air Force. It uses the GLONASS satellite navigation and is the Russian equivalent of the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) weapons."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-500S-E

    And of course as all things made in the U.S. JDAM is not cheap but is rather overpriced ($25,000).

    The Russian air forces have 3 models of guided bombs.

    "The KAB-500L is a laser-guided bomb developed by the Soviet Air Force, entering service in 1975. The KAB-500L is a standard FAB-500 general-purpose bomb, fitted with a semi-active laser seeker and guidance fins, turning it into an unpowered guided bomb."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-500L

    "The KAB-500Kr is an electro-optical TV-guided fire and forget bomb developed by the Soviet Air Force in the 1980s. It remains in service with the CIS and various export customers. The KAB-500Kr is analogous to the American GBU-15 weapon."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-500KR

    Your supervisors could not even find an appropriate topic to spin out.
  54. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    He definitely is an idiot. There is an intentional message though: Washington is the master and Germany is the servant. Did you ever see this old Pepe Escobar from 2017?

    He was saying then that the crime syndicate in Washington was going to have cut Germany a new one.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/05/washington-and-berlin-on-a-collision-course/

    If/when the German population figures this out it's going to get wild. If I was them I would be thinking about pulling out of NATO and closing the American bases. With friends like this you all don't even need any enemies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @216

    If I was them I would be thinking about pulling out of NATO and closing the American bases.

    Germany refused to stop the mass invasion of migrants, and now explicitly discriminates against ethnic Germans for government jobs.

    It’s a nation of cucks.

    • Replies: @Wanderghost
    @216

    Just like Master.

  55. @German_reader
    Blinken has called the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines a "tremendous opportunity" to move away from energy dependence on Russia:

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1576326018893492225

    The charitable interpretation is that the man is a tactless idiot. Maybe not the most likely explanation though.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    This does suggest that the USA didn’t do it, and that it’s clear to German officials that USA didn’t do it.

  56. • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    There had been poor harvests before in Ireland, and what had been done in response was the common sense approach to limit food exports those years to tide people over.

    What was different about the Irish Famine (1845-50) was the application of what might be called Scientific Capitalism (as opposed to Scientific Communism), ie let the market take it's course, aka laissez-faire Capitalism.

    People with no money didn't have much clout in the market, so either left the country, begged, or, in many instances died from starvation. There was some private charity and in time some limited government intervention, ie food distribution in the form of low grade Indian corn and make work projects, but it wasn't enough. It was a disaster.

    It of course would of been better to have kept with the earlier policy of limiting exports during the lean years. [Far better still, no British occupation.]

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I always knew it...I'm People of Color too! I'm a black man trapped in a white man's body!

    Of course, the funny thing about resentment politics is that since history is just one long litany of peoples shitting on other peoples we all get to be #Oppressed in some way. It can only be limited by the political usefulness of highlighting that oppression.

  57. @216
    15 Fullbacks have been shot down in this war. That's over 10% of those produced, and an unsustainable loss ratio. Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems, let alone large number of MANPADS. MIM-104 and THAAD have not been deployed

    Iraq in 1991 achieved the loss of only two comparable F-15E, which the true equivalent is the long retired F-111.

    There is no Russian copy of the American JDAM, a cheap guided bomb. Apparently the Chinese did reverse engineer JDAM, but the Russians are not using it. The losses are the likely result of low altitude attacks using non-guided bombs.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Here Be Dragon

    Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems

    I think they could with the right countermeasures. It’s just that Russian ECM are total garbage.

    You aren’t even supposed to use ground attack aircraft until SEAD is complete, so I have no idea what the Russians are even doing.

    • Replies: @216
    @Greasy William

    The F-111 was modified into the EF-111 with jamming capabilities. RF has failed to copy that with the Fullback, which is probably a better platform than the Super Hornet.

    There has been only sporadic use (supposedly) of the single squadron's worth of Felons, which are the only assured way that the remaining Ukrainian fast air can be destroyed given its tremendous AWACS aid from NATO planes over the border.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @Greasy William

    The RuAF basically does not have a SEAD capability. It has no dedicated electronic attack aircraft and no "Wild Weasel" squadrons dedicated to hunting enemy air defense systems.

    Ten electronic warfare variants of the Su-24, the Su-24MP, were built in 1980. None are any longer in service: https://web.archive.org/web/20141219023949/http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su24mk/history/

    The only electronic warfare Flanker variant is Chinese: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42511/chinas-j-16d-electronic-attack-jet-seen-sporting-jamming-pods-for-the-first-time

    A limited number of jamming pods such as Khibiny-U exist for deployment on the Su-30. These may have been used successfully on the airborne assault on Hostomel.

    Anti-radiation missiles do exist, but in Russian service are intended mainly to attack and destroy airborne early warning radar (AEWR) aircraft.

    The Russian Air Force suffers from trying to field a full spectrum air force on a shoestring, and to the extent it specializes it specializes in denying a numerically superior adversary air superiority over the territory on the Russian Federation. A NATO air campaign against Russia would suffer from some similar challenges to the Russian air campaign over the Ukraine.

    To the extent the Russian Air Force is conducting attack sorties (and it is), it suffers from a shortage of PGMs and inferior, low resolution targeting pods. This was not a problem in Syria due to permissive environment, but in the Ukraine it's untenable. The standard of Russian pilot training is also poor.

    A good source for this is Justin Bronk of the Royal United Services Institute.

    Replies: @Sean, @showmethereal

  58. @Bashibuzuk
    Today Ukrainian troops have moved 30km closer towards Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region.

    Meanwhile in RusFed:



    The State Duma announced the disappearance of 1.5 million sets of military uniforms

    The State Duma was outraged by the provision of the Russian army. According to Andrei Gurulev, a member of the State Duma Defense Committee, one and a half million sets of uniforms were to be stored at the points of reception of personnel.

    “Where did the one and a half million kits that were stored at the points of reception of personnel go? What are these problems with the uniforms? Nobody is able to explain this in any way!” Gurulev said in his Telegram channel.

    The deputy also criticized the decision to transfer to another job, who was responsible for providing troops, Deputy Minister of the Army General Dmitry Bulgakov. “There is no need to send General Bulgakov to another job, you need to specifically ask where, where and why it happened that our mobilized do not receive uniforms,” the deputy said.

    Moscow Times

     



    В Госдуме заявили об исчезновении 1,5 миллионов комплектов военной формы

    В Госдуме возмутились обеспечением российской армии. По словам члена комитета Госдумы по обороне Андрея Гурулева, на пунктах приема личного состава должно было храниться полтора миллиона комплектов формы.

    «Куда делись полтора миллиона комплектов, которые хранились на пунктах приема личного состава. Откуда проблемы с формой? Это никто никак не собирается объяснить!», — заявил Гурулев в своем телеграм-канале.

    Депутат также раскритиковал решение перевести на другую работу, отвечавшего за обеспечение войск, замминистра генерала армии Дмитрия Булгакова. «Не надо отправлять генерала Булгакова на другую работу, надо конкретно спрашивать, куда, где и почему так случилось, что у нас мобилизованные не получают форму», — сказал депутат.

    Moscow Times

     

    Let's keep in mind that during a review of the spending on the RusFed Pacific Fleet, it has been found that 68% of the funds supposedly spent on the modernization of the fleet have been embezzled.

    People in RusFed start asking embarrassing questions, Kadyrov is complaining about incompetent generals, Prigozhyn (of ChVK Wagner fame) agrees with Kadyrov. Some start asking for firing of Shoigu.

    All this is happening before the mobilization would have brought hundreds of thousands of ill equipped troops on a winter frontline. It might become worse in the next few months.

    My opinion is that the situation in RusFed looks somewhat similar to 1905 in Russian Empire or 1990 in USSR, both the war situation and the revolution potential are moving in a very unfavorable direction.

    Not good for RusFed, not good at all...

    Спасибо Путину за это!

    Replies: @LatW, @showmethereal

    Ummmm…. Isn’t “Moscow Times” run by westerners??? You think they are credible?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @showmethereal

    Neither West, nor RusFed are credible. Their propaganda mouthpieces should be approached with a healthy dose of skepticism. And we have also to confront their pov against each other and try to find a balance between their biased narratives.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal

    Where is the huge and strong Russian military then?

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @keypusher
    @showmethereal

    They're quoting a named member of the State Duma talking about a particular general...sounds like a straightforward factual account. Even a biased media source typically won't just make up something like that.

    Anyone read any native Russian media about this?

    Replies: @showmethereal

  59. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Neutral would be Russia holding onto Crimea.
     
    Neutral would be going back to the lines on Feb 24. If Russia keeps Mariupol, north-Lugansk, Kherson, Berdyansk, they would win. Not a big win, but still a win.

    If the war were to start now
     
    As far as Russia is concerned it is not a war, only 'special military operation'. Next week the four regions become officially part of Russia, they could declare a war. Or give Kiev 30 days to vacate what they consider Russian territory. The four regions are not in Russia until Duma approval - for some reason Russia is going through slow legal steps. US did something similar before attacking Iraq, a law by Congress, formal signing, etc...

    So the moment of truth is coming: once Russia completes the legal steps they either go for the full control of the territory they claim, or not and look like losers. They are facing around 700k Ukie soldiers and are risk-averse trying to avoid casualties. To me that suggests massive remote bombing with collateral damage. They can do it. The question is what would be Nato's response.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Triteleia Laxa

    To me that suggests massive remote bombing with collateral damage. They can do it. The question is what would be Nato’s response.

    They can’t, and I’ve informed you as to why you should be able to know that yourself.

    If you can’t even successfully bomb enemy advances, you most certainly don’t have much in the way of resources, or capability, to substantially affect the enemy well-behind their lines and within their air defence umbrella.

    Honestly, you should just take my point on board. Anyone who disagrees with it was never a professional and has little idea of how these things work. It is a very basic observation.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  60. @showmethereal
    @Bashibuzuk

    Ummmm.... Isn't "Moscow Times" run by westerners??? You think they are credible?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Triteleia Laxa, @keypusher

    Neither West, nor RusFed are credible. Their propaganda mouthpieces should be approached with a healthy dose of skepticism. And we have also to confront their pov against each other and try to find a balance between their biased narratives.

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Bashibuzuk

    Oh ok. I was just making sure you weren’t saying “Moscow Times” is like some official Russian source.

  61. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @showmethereal
    @Bashibuzuk

    Ummmm.... Isn't "Moscow Times" run by westerners??? You think they are credible?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Triteleia Laxa, @keypusher

    Where is the huge and strong Russian military then?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ummm as far as I know - Moscow never mobilized there military but has been using the bare minimum. Maybe you missed that’s why they just called for a partial mobilization…. I don’t need declassified documents to understand that. I do know they have had huge military drills in the Far East with about a dozen other nations while this was going on. Now if you ask WHY they did not fully mobilize and treated this lore like a police action - then I have no answer…

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Another Polish Perspective

  62. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    With $100+ trillions in un-payable debts the West cannot save itself by issuing more debt. It mathematically cannot go on.
     
    It mathematically cannot go on forever but it can go on for much longer than you'd think possible. Even if this really is the end, it's an end that was brought forward by at least a decade thanks to the Covid lockdowns/spending.

    I hope that this is it, but I was sure that 2008 was the endgame and they managed to keep the ship floating for 11 years until Covid hit. I'm not certain that they can't do it again.

    you can’t raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years
     
    Yes you can. Doing just that is how historically every country has resolved unsustainable debt levels. The US will get there eventually, but not yet

    it was clear from the beginning that Russia can’t be defeated: they are at home and have nukes
     
    Putin could be overthrown and replaced with a leader more accommodating with the West, or Russia could break up into multiple countries. I think both of those things are extremely unlikely, but they are possible


    I do feel pretty optimistic about the military situation. I think the Russians will launch a winter offensive in December and I think they'll have some success. While the US economy might, might, be able to hang on indefinitely, the EU economies are going down this winter. The new Republican Congress won't be able to end funding for the war, but they might be able to reduce it. Once this war is over, then China can move on Taiwan and the end of US unipolarity will be official.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    I agree that none of this will happen overnight. But there is a huge difference between a stable or growing West and slowly declining one. We have had a “peak West” – now the same steps taken on the way up will be retraced on the way down. That is a lot less fun.

    you can’t raise prices by 20-30% for 5 years

    Yes you can.

    You can try, but it will be very volatile. I am talking about Europe not US that has huge resources. We don’t have an ‘inflation‘ right now – inflation is a rise in prices and incomes. We only have prices rising and real assets going up, the incomes are not keeping up. Mathematically with 20-30% rise in prices for a few years the real incomes could be a third lower than today, or more. Most Europeans can’t do that.

    Holland had 17% inflation (annual) in September. And Holland is a solid well managed economy. The last 2 or 3 generations of very good life made Europeans not ready for a drop in living standards – the toys are being taken away, the energy is too expensive, by next year it could be food. The housing costs were too high even before 2020 and they have continued going up. If incomes stay frozen it will lead to a dramatic crisis – unlike US, Europe has a very riot-friendly big-city architecture.

    After 2008 the system was saved by a one-time coordinated move to lower interest rates to effectively zero. It stabilized the system, made the debts less onerous, and we muddled along for 10 years. Then the crazy self-inflicted Corona contraction happened. There was no orderly way back to normal economy after Corona. This war was wanted – maybe not in a smart way, but in a way one wants to get out of a situation, just to get out. The problem is that it took us to a lot worse place.

  63. @Here Be Dragon
    AP says:

    Genetically, Ukrainians, Poles and central/Southern Russians are nearly identical, while northern Russians are quite different. Do you think that Poles, Ukrainians and non-Northern Russians are one ethnicity?
     
    Poles are definitely of a different ethnicity.

    The Polish language belongs to a different language group, Poles are of a different religious denomination and they use a different alphabet. The genesis of their language points out that historically they are of a different ethnicity.

    https://i.postimg.cc/Jnf309gC/Languages.png

    On top of that there is alienation between theirs and that of the East Slavic peoples religious affiliation. These influences are sufficient for formation of a separate ethnic group. And Poles are different enough genetically as well.

    East Slavs – Russians from central-southern regions, Belarusians and Ukrainians – form a cluster on their own, though these populations do not overlap entirely with each other.

    Russians from the northern region of the European part of Russia are differentiated from the rest of the East Slavs, and on genetic plots lie in the vicinity of their Finnic-speaking geographic neighbors.

    Poles either overlap or lie close to East Slavs.

    Genetic Heritage of the Balto-Slavic Speaking Populations
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0135820
     
    Therefore Ukrainians and Russians are one ethnicity. The exceptions are the northern Russians and the western Ukrainians – the former for being genetically more distant from the rest due to a close relationship with Finnic peoples, and the latter for being culturally different due to a close relationship with Poles.

    However the northern Russians are not as much different from the rest since they speak the same language and belong entirely to the same culture.

    The western Ukrainians are different from the rest because they speak a different language. We can say that these are a different ethnic group. The rest of the Ukrainians are not.

    https://i.postimg.cc/BQXgpBTz/Genetic-structure-of-the-Balto-Slavic-populations.png

    Replies: @AP

    The Polish language belongs to a different language group, Poles are of a different religious denomination and they use a different alphabet. The genesis of their language points out that historically they are of a different ethnicity.

    Correct. On the other hand, the flood of Polish words into the Ukrainian language is such that for a naive Ukrainian speaker (one who has learned neither Russian nor Ukrainian) the Polish language is about as easy/difficult to understand as is Russian. Russian is closer in grammar and pronunciation, Polish closer in vocabulary.

    And Poles are different enough genetically as well.

    On the chart you posted there is not much genetic overlap between Ukrainians and non-northern Russians, and Ukrainians are as close to Russians as they are to Poles. Belarussians overlap both Ukrainians and Russians. Slovenes are very close to Ukrainians, closer than Russians are (genetically, not culturally):

    All of three groups are close together of course.

    On top of that there is alienation between theirs and that of the East Slavic peoples religious affiliation.

    I’ve heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic subjects/slaves. This separated them from their Polish brothers.

    And religious rite is not the only factor. Orthodoxy in Ukraine was heavily influenced by Catholicism even though it was anti-Catholic.

    The western Ukrainians are different from the rest because they speak a different language. We can say that these are a different ethnic group. The rest of the Ukrainians are not.

    By “western Ukrainians” this would apply not only to Galicians but also to people from the Right Bank and in Poltava on the other side of the Dnipro- areas where the majority are Ukrainian speaking.

    And then you have a place like the city of Kiev. Mostly Russian-speaking by first or preferred language of use, but nearly everyone fluent in Ukrainian also. And many if not most of the Russian-speakers in places like Kiev have Ukrainian-speaking cousins in some village , or Ukrainian-speaking grandparents, or friends with whom they socialize in the Ukrainian language. In other words, although Ukrainian is not their primary language it is not a foreign language for them either. And this makes such Russian-speaking Ukrainians very different from a Russian-speaking Russian from Moscow, or Samara, or Sevastopol.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    I’ve heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic subjects/slaves.
     
    The divide between Eastern Orthodox and Latin Catholic churches was not that radical at the time. Rus princes and princesses married with Catholic monarchs without their Orthodox faith being seen as something problematic.

    Also at the time it was way more profitable to be economically tied to Byzantium than to the Frankish West, which was not yet completely recovered from the dire consequences of the fall of Rome.

    Finally, Eastern Orthodox Church accepts the liturgy being conducted in the language of the parishioners, while the Latin Catholic Church forbade that at the time. We should also remember that the Orthodox made the effort of helping with the development of the Glagolithic and Cyrillic alphabets much better suited for Slavic languages transcription than Latin alphabet.

    This being said, both the Catholic and the Orthodox Churches have during hundreds of years pitched their flocks against each other in the Slavic lands. Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.

    Replies: @216, @AP

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    On the chart you posted there is not much genetic overlap between Ukrainians and non-northern Russians, and Ukrainians are as close to Russians as they are to Poles.
     
    There is one subgroup of Russians that is close to a subgroup of Poles. That subgroup of Russians is closer to Poles and to Slovaks than to other Russians or Ukrainians.

    Most Ukrainians are closer to Slovenians and Slovaks, and a half of Ukrainians overlap with Belarusians, whereas a half of Belarusians overlap with southern and central Russians.

    Northern Russians are closer to Baltic and Finnic peoples than to other Russians. However northern Russians are a minor group that is located north of Moscow.

    Ukrainians are closer to Belarusians and Slovenians than to Poles. Belarusians overlap with most Russians, and Ukrainians with most Belarusians, therefore these three are closer to each other than to other groups.

    There is a greater distance between other Slavic subgroups within each of the other groups than there is between Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. Neither of the three overlap with Poles.

    Belarussians overlap both Ukrainians and Russians. Slovenes are very close to Ukrainians, closer than Russians are.
     
    Belarusians therefore are a sort of genetic bridge between Ukrainians and Russians.

    The three colors of the flag of Russia represent these three parts of one people. Ukrainians were placed in the middle – that is wrong.

    White color should be in the middle, red above it and blue below. But such is the flag of the Netherlands, and it had been before. The flag of Croatia is the same but features a coat of arms.

    And the flag of Ukraine is in fact the flag of Dalmatia – now a region of Croatia that used to be the independent Kingdom of Dalmatia.

    I’ve heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic slaves.
     
    Tell them that Varangians were never called the Rus'. The notion of that was proposed to Peter the Great and the idea appealed to him because he hated Russian people and admired Europeans, so due to a German historian at his court we now have to argue about that – Rus' is a Slavic word.

    The Rus' were never slaves of Varangians. All efforts to find a group of Varangians called the Rus' failed and there is no such a word in the Scandinavian languages. The Varangians were a small clan that was chosen to rule for being a neutral force between other tribes.

    This separated them from their Polish brothers.
     
    Tell them that Russians were baptized first and Poles second as well. Poles rebelled against the Church and most Poles were not in fact Christians until 1030-40.

    By “western Ukrainians” this would apply not only to Galicians but also to people from the Right Bank and in Poltava on the other side of the Dnipro.
     
    Yes as a matter of fact that should be applied at large to all those whose mother tongue – which is spoken at home – is Ukrainian. But as we know it was brought to the south and east of what is now Ukraine from the west, the same as Russian was brought there from the north and the east.

    Hence there is a simple rule: the Russian-speaking Ukrainians are for the most part ethnic Russians.

    Many if not most of the Russian-speakers in places like Kiev have Ukrainian-speaking cousins in some village, or Ukrainian-speaking grandparents, or friends with whom they socialize in Ukrainian.
     
    Most rather do not, but some for sure do have. How large is their share we cannot estimate, but the larger it is the closer are the two peoples. We can guess that a lot less Ukrainians have cousins or grandparents in Poland.

    And this makes such Russian-speaking Ukrainians very different from a Russian-speaking Russians from Moscow, or Samara, or Sevastopol.
     
    A bit different, if we put them under a microscope.
  64. @showmethereal
    @Bashibuzuk

    Ummmm.... Isn't "Moscow Times" run by westerners??? You think they are credible?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Triteleia Laxa, @keypusher

    They’re quoting a named member of the State Duma talking about a particular general…sounds like a straightforward factual account. Even a biased media source typically won’t just make up something like that.

    Anyone read any native Russian media about this?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @keypusher

    Well for one thing I don’t speak the language so I don’t know if it is correct. But one thing I definitely know is context is key. I know nothing about the general nor the actual situation. I personally know of instances where things have been directly quoted but taken hugely out of context or a quote has been used by a disgruntled person to try to prove a narrative when it was never a consensus nor fact. Is that the case here? I admittedly do not know. But I DO know that “Moscow Times” is an anti Putin and pro western publication. It is basically a western publication based in Russia (many go work for the AP or CNN before or after) - so can’t be trusted to be objective.
    Personally I know little about the region. I started reading blogs like this to get educated on the matter. I only started paying attention after the 2014 coup - because I knew that meant the US was attempting a major disruption in the area.
    Now I know a handful of Russians and they are apolitical (and live in the west). So for instance when I came across videos of Mariupol where the people were GLAD to see the Russians and were talking about the treatment they received at the hands of the Ukrainian right wing nationalists - I asked them to tell me if the translations were true. They said it was correct. One literally broke down crying. The issue has been known for years and they were genuinely heartbroken at the gate Russians received (again they live in the west). When I asked what the real mood in Russia they say yes some are against military action - but the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter…. You can’t think I’m making it up - but I’m not. And I trust those people more than I do the media.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @keypusher

  65. After 2008 the system was saved by a one-time coordinated move to lower interest rates to effectively zero. It stabilized the system, made the debts less onerous, and muddled along for 10 years.

    Also, part of the deal was that the US would get at least weak economic growth for that 11 year period while literally every other industrialized country besides New Zealand, Australia and Israel would stagnate. Hopefully the rest of the world decides not to go along with that this time, should such a thing even still remain possible.

  66. Both are strong men who know that they will pay the price if RusFed is replaced with a social construct even more servile to the Globalized West. Both also know that much can be gained in the Times of Troubles by courageous and violent landlords. Both command respect from their fighters in the way the feudal landlords sometimes did. Both prepare for what is coming next, when VVP hits the exit (one way or another).

    Agree wholeheartedly with this. My only question is do large masses of the Russian people want to be ruled by them. I mean, nobody will be asking them, of course, but will they submit? Hey, they might even prefer these guys at this point, right? It’s just that they’re both really bad criminals. Then again, some of the ancient warlords probably fit that definition as well… and so did the Leningrad gang.

    [MORE]

    Russians are used to die on the frontline. For most Russian men this type of death is entirely normal

    I am aware of this, yes (and I secretly admire that). But it’s mostly the salt of the earth type of men who are that way. And how much the Russian women can take (but again, nobody will ask them).

    The problem of the current war in Ukraine is that the goals are far from being either entirely clear or morally acceptable.

    That’s the crux of the matter. Because it is not the Matushka herself who is attacked, but just the idea of the historical Russia (which normally could inspire the men, but not all of them). This is also very late in the war to mobilize (as you noted and as was in fact visible already in February, the second echelon had not even been prepared then).

    Around 2015, the late commander of the Prizrak Battalion of the LNR – Mozgovoy – once spoke with the officers on the Ukrainian side via a live television link. Interestingly enough, both sides soon arrived to the conclusion that this war is not fought in the interest of the populations on both sides of the frontline.

    I don’t know much about Mozgovoy but what little I saw of him, he seemed like a “no nonsense” type and socially conservative. His resources must’ve always been limited. I think these more salt of the earth type of guys were removed because they were inconvenient. It sometimes happens in peace time militaries, too.

    some say that he was liquidated by the FSB, some by the SBU, perhaps it was a joint operation because both special services equally loathed his populism.

    That’s a very interesting thought about the potential communication between the two. It seems that they do talk, during the Kyiv operation, the FSB gave some data to the SBU about Kadyrov’s troops because apparently they hate them. They might drop some data in these current battlefields, too.

    Well, FSB / Kremlin may not like these more populist guys (and of course they would be more independent and more difficult to control), but they don’t seem to have been able to set up more competent administrations. Which works in Ukraine’s favor. You know that the likes of Babchenko and other pro-UA bloggers often say things such as “Thank God for the corruption in Russia”. Because that makes Russia weaker and allows the UA to win.

    There was a time when this type of discussion and honest debate could lead to a more humane approach towards POWs on both sides, but today there’s too much hatred.

    I completely understand the rage on both sides (it’s probably even worse than what I imagine). For those who are ideological ones on the Russian side and the Ukrainians who are fighting for their homeland – let them fight it out.

    I am unfortunately not sure at all that Russia has what it takes to get through this ordeal. I feel pessimistic about the prospects of the Russian state. But I also know that Russian people have survived even worse situations.

    The problem is that due to years of Putinism the nation is partially hollowed out.

    In this case, I hope that some region of the former Russian Realm might perhaps become a core for completing the Russian nation-building. But here again, hope is scarce because Globalization is probably too strong to allow for that to happen.

    I hope for this, too, and that it can be built based on amicability with us. We will need you for leverage in the future and as a shoulder to lean on, if needed. And I know it is our job to prove that we are worth it for you.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW


    The problem is that due to years of Putinism the nation is partially hollowed out.
     
    It's not just Putin and his clique, not even the post-Soviet RusFed or the Soviets that hollowed out the Russian spirit. It started much earlier and took centuries to get to this situation that we are witnessing today. Although Tsarist Empire was named "Russian" for the most important part of its history, it treated most ethnic Russians and other Slavs in its lands as second class citizens to the cosmopolitan Imperial elites. The Slavs and other native ethnic groups were mostly enserfed, while the elites were nearly 50 percent ethnically not-Slav (Turkic/Tatar, German, but also Lithuanian and Polish ancestry was very common among the Imperial aristocracy).

    The economy was as extractive as it is today: make the muzhik toil the land and harvest its produce or extract its riches, then sell everything to the "Western Partners" and buy the advanced technology from them. And while the plebs go broke and hungry, the imperial elites could enjoy a high standard of living traveling far and wide and spending time in the West.

    In fact, Putin and his clique wanted to reproduce the lifestyle of the Imperial elites. They wanted to become the new Russian aristocracy. But of course they failed because they are parvenu nouveau riche who should have read the fable about the frog and the bull and not trying to fit and walk into their imperial predecessors' shoes that are way too large for them.
  67. @Greasy William
    @216


    Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems
     
    I think they could with the right countermeasures. It's just that Russian ECM are total garbage.


    You aren't even supposed to use ground attack aircraft until SEAD is complete, so I have no idea what the Russians are even doing.

    Replies: @216, @Thorfinnsson

    The F-111 was modified into the EF-111 with jamming capabilities. RF has failed to copy that with the Fullback, which is probably a better platform than the Super Hornet.

    There has been only sporadic use (supposedly) of the single squadron’s worth of Felons, which are the only assured way that the remaining Ukrainian fast air can be destroyed given its tremendous AWACS aid from NATO planes over the border.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @216

    Why don’t the Russians copy cheap 1980s and 1990s tech?

    Haven’t they had time to get info on the EF-111, JDAM, ect.?

    It would save them a lot of trouble.

  68. Bashibuzuk says:
    @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The Polish language belongs to a different language group, Poles are of a different religious denomination and they use a different alphabet. The genesis of their language points out that historically they are of a different ethnicity.
     
    Correct. On the other hand, the flood of Polish words into the Ukrainian language is such that for a naive Ukrainian speaker (one who has learned neither Russian nor Ukrainian) the Polish language is about as easy/difficult to understand as is Russian. Russian is closer in grammar and pronunciation, Polish closer in vocabulary.

    And Poles are different enough genetically as well.
     
    On the chart you posted there is not much genetic overlap between Ukrainians and non-northern Russians, and Ukrainians are as close to Russians as they are to Poles. Belarussians overlap both Ukrainians and Russians. Slovenes are very close to Ukrainians, closer than Russians are (genetically, not culturally):

    https://i.postimg.cc/BQXgpBTz/Genetic-structure-of-the-Balto-Slavic-populations.png

    All of three groups are close together of course.

    On top of that there is alienation between theirs and that of the East Slavic peoples religious affiliation.
     
    I've heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic subjects/slaves. This separated them from their Polish brothers.

    And religious rite is not the only factor. Orthodoxy in Ukraine was heavily influenced by Catholicism even though it was anti-Catholic.

    The western Ukrainians are different from the rest because they speak a different language. We can say that these are a different ethnic group. The rest of the Ukrainians are not.
     
    By "western Ukrainians" this would apply not only to Galicians but also to people from the Right Bank and in Poltava on the other side of the Dnipro- areas where the majority are Ukrainian speaking.

    And then you have a place like the city of Kiev. Mostly Russian-speaking by first or preferred language of use, but nearly everyone fluent in Ukrainian also. And many if not most of the Russian-speakers in places like Kiev have Ukrainian-speaking cousins in some village , or Ukrainian-speaking grandparents, or friends with whom they socialize in the Ukrainian language. In other words, although Ukrainian is not their primary language it is not a foreign language for them either. And this makes such Russian-speaking Ukrainians very different from a Russian-speaking Russian from Moscow, or Samara, or Sevastopol.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Here Be Dragon

    I’ve heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic subjects/slaves.

    The divide between Eastern Orthodox and Latin Catholic churches was not that radical at the time. Rus princes and princesses married with Catholic monarchs without their Orthodox faith being seen as something problematic.

    Also at the time it was way more profitable to be economically tied to Byzantium than to the Frankish West, which was not yet completely recovered from the dire consequences of the fall of Rome.

    Finally, Eastern Orthodox Church accepts the liturgy being conducted in the language of the parishioners, while the Latin Catholic Church forbade that at the time. We should also remember that the Orthodox made the effort of helping with the development of the Glagolithic and Cyrillic alphabets much better suited for Slavic languages transcription than Latin alphabet.

    This being said, both the Catholic and the Orthodox Churches have during hundreds of years pitched their flocks against each other in the Slavic lands. Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.

    • Replies: @216
    @Bashibuzuk


    Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.
     
    Europe is the Faith, and the Faith is Europe.

    You are not permitted to disagree with this statement.

    Before the light of Christ, the people were nothing but filthy barbarians. After, they became great conquerors. Deprived of Christ, they became nothing but filth degenerates all over again.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Bashibuzuk, @showmethereal

    , @AP
    @Bashibuzuk

    Generally agree with first three paragraphs. However, the Catholic faith of the western Slavs did not impede their development, despite the fact that the Latin script is more cumbersome than the Cyrillic for the Slavic languages. Indeed, the Catholic Slavic countries have generally been more advanced and pleasant places for their peoples. I say this as someone personally attached to the Eastern Rite, who cannot pray as effectively in a Roman church.

    For the reasons you outlined, it was logical for the Rus to have forced eastern Christianity rather than Islam or western Christianity upon their East Slavic servants. But doing so created a strong divisive factor between peoples who were probably still very similar to one another in the 10th century - and a barrier to later harmony.

    Paganism was a dead end (we discussed it before). It only survived in the Indian subcontinent, with its massive population, higher level of civilization, and location at the end of the world (and even there, it wasn't an easy survival). In the middle of Eurasia, among a less populous and more primitive people - it didn't stand a chance. If Slavs hadn't converted from their native heathenism to Christianity, they would have either become victims and subjects of western Crusading conquistadors or would have eventually become Muslims. The result might have been Germanized western Slavs ruled by their German conquistadors, and to their east - heavily-Tatar or Turkish influenced Muslims. Maybe even Turkic speaking, like the lost Tocharians. A very sad prospect.

  69. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    Yet another ongoing cunning RF trap for UA, now in north Kherson;)
     
    That's not a cunning trap. How many times does Saker have to explain that it's called mobile defense, as anyone minimally familiar with military science should know? Those poor advancing Ukrainians are doomed :-)

    Replies: @Not Raul

    What is the Saker’s batting average?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Not Raul

    You are mistaking the snark. I almost misunderstood myself on a casual skim.

  70. @216
    @Greasy William

    The F-111 was modified into the EF-111 with jamming capabilities. RF has failed to copy that with the Fullback, which is probably a better platform than the Super Hornet.

    There has been only sporadic use (supposedly) of the single squadron's worth of Felons, which are the only assured way that the remaining Ukrainian fast air can be destroyed given its tremendous AWACS aid from NATO planes over the border.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Why don’t the Russians copy cheap 1980s and 1990s tech?

    Haven’t they had time to get info on the EF-111, JDAM, ect.?

    It would save them a lot of trouble.

  71. Bashibuzuk says:
    @LatW

    Both are strong men who know that they will pay the price if RusFed is replaced with a social construct even more servile to the Globalized West. Both also know that much can be gained in the Times of Troubles by courageous and violent landlords. Both command respect from their fighters in the way the feudal landlords sometimes did. Both prepare for what is coming next, when VVP hits the exit (one way or another).
     
    Agree wholeheartedly with this. My only question is do large masses of the Russian people want to be ruled by them. I mean, nobody will be asking them, of course, but will they submit? Hey, they might even prefer these guys at this point, right? It's just that they're both really bad criminals. Then again, some of the ancient warlords probably fit that definition as well... and so did the Leningrad gang.


    Russians are used to die on the frontline. For most Russian men this type of death is entirely normal
     
    I am aware of this, yes (and I secretly admire that). But it's mostly the salt of the earth type of men who are that way. And how much the Russian women can take (but again, nobody will ask them).

    The problem of the current war in Ukraine is that the goals are far from being either entirely clear or morally acceptable.
     
    That's the crux of the matter. Because it is not the Matushka herself who is attacked, but just the idea of the historical Russia (which normally could inspire the men, but not all of them). This is also very late in the war to mobilize (as you noted and as was in fact visible already in February, the second echelon had not even been prepared then).

    Around 2015, the late commander of the Prizrak Battalion of the LNR – Mozgovoy – once spoke with the officers on the Ukrainian side via a live television link. Interestingly enough, both sides soon arrived to the conclusion that this war is not fought in the interest of the populations on both sides of the frontline.
     
    I don't know much about Mozgovoy but what little I saw of him, he seemed like a "no nonsense" type and socially conservative. His resources must've always been limited. I think these more salt of the earth type of guys were removed because they were inconvenient. It sometimes happens in peace time militaries, too.

    some say that he was liquidated by the FSB, some by the SBU, perhaps it was a joint operation because both special services equally loathed his populism.
     
    That's a very interesting thought about the potential communication between the two. It seems that they do talk, during the Kyiv operation, the FSB gave some data to the SBU about Kadyrov's troops because apparently they hate them. They might drop some data in these current battlefields, too.

    Well, FSB / Kremlin may not like these more populist guys (and of course they would be more independent and more difficult to control), but they don't seem to have been able to set up more competent administrations. Which works in Ukraine's favor. You know that the likes of Babchenko and other pro-UA bloggers often say things such as "Thank God for the corruption in Russia". Because that makes Russia weaker and allows the UA to win.

    There was a time when this type of discussion and honest debate could lead to a more humane approach towards POWs on both sides, but today there’s too much hatred.
     
    I completely understand the rage on both sides (it's probably even worse than what I imagine). For those who are ideological ones on the Russian side and the Ukrainians who are fighting for their homeland - let them fight it out.

    I am unfortunately not sure at all that Russia has what it takes to get through this ordeal. I feel pessimistic about the prospects of the Russian state. But I also know that Russian people have survived even worse situations.
     
    The problem is that due to years of Putinism the nation is partially hollowed out.

    In this case, I hope that some region of the former Russian Realm might perhaps become a core for completing the Russian nation-building. But here again, hope is scarce because Globalization is probably too strong to allow for that to happen.
     
    I hope for this, too, and that it can be built based on amicability with us. We will need you for leverage in the future and as a shoulder to lean on, if needed. And I know it is our job to prove that we are worth it for you.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    The problem is that due to years of Putinism the nation is partially hollowed out.

    It’s not just Putin and his clique, not even the post-Soviet RusFed or the Soviets that hollowed out the Russian spirit. It started much earlier and took centuries to get to this situation that we are witnessing today. Although Tsarist Empire was named “Russian” for the most important part of its history, it treated most ethnic Russians and other Slavs in its lands as second class citizens to the cosmopolitan Imperial elites. The Slavs and other native ethnic groups were mostly enserfed, while the elites were nearly 50 percent ethnically not-Slav (Turkic/Tatar, German, but also Lithuanian and Polish ancestry was very common among the Imperial aristocracy).

    The economy was as extractive as it is today: make the muzhik toil the land and harvest its produce or extract its riches, then sell everything to the “Western Partners” and buy the advanced technology from them. And while the plebs go broke and hungry, the imperial elites could enjoy a high standard of living traveling far and wide and spending time in the West.

    In fact, Putin and his clique wanted to reproduce the lifestyle of the Imperial elites. They wanted to become the new Russian aristocracy. But of course they failed because they are parvenu nouveau riche who should have read the fable about the frog and the bull and not trying to fit and walk into their imperial predecessors’ shoes that are way too large for them.

  72. @Here Be Dragon
    Monitor of Halls says:

    I’ve seen this boilerplate for months, years even. Is it copy and pasted? Did you know you are full NPC on this issue?
     
    No I did not, and I have never seen someone who thought as I do. Most people either talk about taking Donbas and the south of Ukraine, or the whole of it.

    I think it should be the entire left bank and regarding the south it should depend on whether the rest of Ukraine becomes a neutral puppet state of Russia, or a part of Poland – if the latter is the case, Odessa should be taken as well.


    Anyway, let me rephrase my question: how would you react if Russia exploded a nuclear weapon in Ukraine?
     
    If there was a nuclear explosion in Ukraine I would think it was a false flag operation, because Russia has no need and no reason whatsoever to make such a stupid and irrational move. You trolls are pushing that narrative for some people to be able to assess the potential reaction of the general public, but it does not make sense.

    A nuclear explosion would be benefitial for Ukraine because that might result in a direct NATO interference. Such an event might lead to a potential expulsion of Russia from the UN Security Counsil – and therefore, it would be benefitial for the United States.

    But in no plausible scenario would it be benefitial for the Russians.

    Do not forget that while you and other trolls here are spinning out that "Yahoo! Ukraine attacks! The Russians are running!" – cow crap, what the Russians are in fact doing is shortening the frontline around the areas where the Ukrainians have amassed an immence amount of personnel, and are pushing forward re-taking a piece of wasteland having 8:1 advantage in manpower. That "Northern Victory" of yours is meaningless.

    And in the meantime while you are here posting all that stupid bunch of nonsense on all the fences all over the place, the Russians are mobilizing 300 thousand people and are preparing the infrustructure for their arrival.

    Better start thinking what you will be writing here when they start a real offensive later this winter.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Russian military are not much use more than 90 miles from a railhead. That’s at least one of the reasons that it was preposterous that they could have completely overrun Ukraine. The other alamist thing was saying there was a total invasion with only 150,000 soldiers.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Wokechoke


    The Russian military are not much use more than 90 miles from a railhead.
     
    If you mean infantry or artillery then it does not matter which military or what country, they all depend on logistics and therefore on proximity of railroads or airfields, or at least some regular roads.

    Other than that I cannot think of anything that might indicate that their military is of no use.

    Here is a page that you should take a look at.
    https://warsawinstitute.org/comparing-western-supplies-ukrainian-losses-war-russia/

    "The Warsaw Institute is a Polish-based geopolitical think tank."

    The numbers of losses I assume to be understated, considering where the data comes from, and it is the data for the first four months so it should be perhaps doubled. The data does not include the demolished ammunition depots.

    And it still looks like the Russians are doing effective work.

    That’s at least one of the reasons that it was preposterous that they could have completely overrun Ukraine.
     
    Ukraine is a big country. It would require at least a million or perhaps even two million people to overrun it. You cannot move in with such an amount of people into a wasteland – where would they sleep? What would they eat?

    They will need to get ammunition supplied, and hospitals to be set up, and food and shelter to be prepared first of all. It would have been a disaster had they indeed decided to try a blitzkrieg.

    The Russians planned it from the beginning to establish a front line first and then prepare the needed infrustructure before mobilization.

    The other alarmist thing was saying there was a total invasion with only 150,000 soldiers.
     
    It was a propaganda gossip. As if they tried but failed. Failures, failures all the time – look at our trolls here. Hard-working people.

    Let us wait a couple of months. The winter is not going to be boring.

    https://i.postimg.cc/8k38grps/Western-supplies-and-Ukrainian-losses-in-the-war-against-Russia-1.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/rmmHvq7S/Western-supplies-and-Ukrainian-losses-in-the-war-against-Russia-2.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/qB9kXFCm/Western-supplies-and-Ukrainian-losses-in-the-war-against-Russia-3.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/dQdMvVLB/Western-supplies-and-Ukrainian-losses-in-the-war-against-Russia-4.jpg

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

  73. 216 says: • Website

    JDAM is cheap, but the GPS constellation is not. Presumably the limited Russian budget led to concerns that NATO would shoot all the GLONASS satellites down during a war, making a JDAM copy useless.

    Instead they chose the hypersonic missile, which US doesn’t have yet, but when it does, it will be better. The kinzhal appears designed for use against naval targets, and secondarily as a way to preserve the Foxhound rice bowl.

    The name “Fullback”, to those not familiar with American football, is used as a blocking position so that the “Halfback” can run the football down the field. From a Western perspective, the plane is aptly named, but Russia isn’t using the plane properly.

    An EF-111 copy has little interest to export customers, save China, which hasn’t bought the plane. The Fullback has only one named customer, Algeria, which is little more than a petrodictatorship which wants trophies that won’t actually be used.

    The AK-12 is this in small form. Captured rifles haven’t been issued with rail mounted optics, which is the only real advantage it has over the AK-74. Western reviews of the AK-12 have been negative, while reviews of the more expensive A-545 have been rather positive.

    Russian optics haven’t been embargoed for export to the West, by either RF or the US. Nor has there been any major order of Holosun optics from China which would make those AK-12s useful.

    But meanwhile in the US, our new XM5 rifle has the most powerful round ever issued to an infantry rifle, which can destroy any type of body armor in existence. But with only a slight increase in weight, its combination suppressor/muzzle break means that it does not recoil much harder than the M4 (which by virtue of weight/barrel does recoil harder than the M16).

    And that’s before we mention the classified superscope, which will turn every infantryman into a sniper, and possibly have anti-drone capabilities as the technology develops.

    It’s horribly expensive, and will irritate NATO partners having to buy a proprietary gun and ammo all over again.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @216

    I wonder where do these trolls get all this drivel from?


    The limited Russian budget led to concerns that NATO would shoot all the GLONASS satellites down.
     
    No one can shoot them down – these satellites are on the high orbit (500-700 km).

    They chose the hypersonic missile, which US doesn’t have yet, but when it does, it will be better.
     
    Of course – much better! Meanwhile the Russians have two models of these and are working on another one.

    From a Western perspective, the plane is aptly named [Fullback], but Russia isn’t using the plane properly.
     
    Fullback is the NATO reporting name for the Sukhoi Su-34. It is a 4th generation plane analogous to the American F-15E. What is the point of discussing it?

    Captured [AK-12] rifles haven’t been issued with rail mounted optics, which is the only real advantage it has over the AK-74.
     
    If it was captured without optics that means the optics were in fact stolen. These AK are issued with a collimator sight.

    Apart from the rail it is better than the AK-74 in that it has a free-floated barrel and improved ergonomics, a better rear iron sight and as a result longer effective range.

    Western reviews of the AK-12 have been negative, while reviews of the more expensive A-545 have been rather positive.
     
    These reviews are not based on experience. Both of these rifles are not available in the West.

    However the A-545 (now called the KORD 6P67 or 6P68) is a better rifle indeed. It features the balanced recoil design (BARS) which is unique. These rifles have no recoil whatsoever!

    https://i.postimg.cc/FFfb5rBC/KORD-6-P67.jpg

    And besides these look good.

    Meanwhile in the US, our new XM5 rifle has the most powerful round ever issued to an infantry rifle, which can destroy any type of body armor in existence.
     
    The round – 6.8x51 mm SIG (or .277 SIG Fury) – is the same as 7.62×51 mm NATO (or .308 Winchester). The rifle is nothing special if we disregard its ugliness. It is for sure the ugliest rifle ever made.

    As for the round it has been done before and is being done now – in particular the Belgian FAL and more recent SCAR-H rifles are chambered in 7.62×51 mm.

    Due to higher pressure the barrels wear out faster, due to stronger recoil automatic fire is hard to handle. And of course it does not destroy any type of body armor.

    Its combination suppressor/muzzle break means that it does not recoil much harder than the M4.
     
    It does recoil much harder than the AK-12 or the AK-15, and for sure a lot harder than KORD which does not recoil at all.

    https://i.postimg.cc/d30xvzgm/XM5-rifle.jpg

    The device pictured here is not a combination of suppressor/muzzle break but a regular sound suppressor. That means we can add another $1000 to the cost of the rifle if it is planned to be issued as that.

    And that’s before we mention the classified superscope, which will turn every infantryman into a sniper, and possibly have anti-drone capabilities.
     
    The most moronic comment of the week. You have won.

    It’s horribly expensive, and will irritate NATO partners having to buy a proprietary gun and ammo all over again.
     
    The NATO partners are not going to purchase it and in fact the U.S. is planning to get some 100 thousand of these for their close combat forces.

    Now please stop posting such nonsense.

    Replies: @216

  74. 216 says: • Website
    @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    I’ve heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic subjects/slaves.
     
    The divide between Eastern Orthodox and Latin Catholic churches was not that radical at the time. Rus princes and princesses married with Catholic monarchs without their Orthodox faith being seen as something problematic.

    Also at the time it was way more profitable to be economically tied to Byzantium than to the Frankish West, which was not yet completely recovered from the dire consequences of the fall of Rome.

    Finally, Eastern Orthodox Church accepts the liturgy being conducted in the language of the parishioners, while the Latin Catholic Church forbade that at the time. We should also remember that the Orthodox made the effort of helping with the development of the Glagolithic and Cyrillic alphabets much better suited for Slavic languages transcription than Latin alphabet.

    This being said, both the Catholic and the Orthodox Churches have during hundreds of years pitched their flocks against each other in the Slavic lands. Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.

    Replies: @216, @AP

    Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.

    Europe is the Faith, and the Faith is Europe.

    You are not permitted to disagree with this statement.

    Before the light of Christ, the people were nothing but filthy barbarians. After, they became great conquerors. Deprived of Christ, they became nothing but filth degenerates all over again.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @216

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/1020101624116559892/unknown.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/1011208658069246032/unknown.png

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    , @Bashibuzuk
    @216

    I see where you're coming from.

    Pray explain, how is it then that European populations mainly speak Indo-European languages and have had a common mythological and spiritual matrix thousands of years before the Christianity came to dominate there ?

    How is it that those Aryan people who had not met and/or accepted Abrahamic religions managed to have outstanding religious thought (Vedas, Avesta, Buddhadharma) and build mighty Empires (Persian, various Indian dynasties including the Scythian ones) ?

    Was it Logos working through their hands, speaking in their tongues and fighting through their swords ?

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @showmethereal
    @216

    Greeks and Romans went to conquer others and were not Christians. And being a conquerer is against the words of Christ. So how does that make sense? That’s a false religion papered over a Greco Roman base. No conquering until He returns as a lion and if you read - he won’t be returning to Rome or anywhere in Europe. It says what mountain

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  75. In fact, Putin and his clique wanted to reproduce the lifestyle of the Imperial elites. They wanted to become the new Russian aristocracy. But of course they failed because they are parvenu nouveau riche who should have read the fable about the frog and the bull and not trying to fit and walk into their imperial predecessors’ shoes that are way too large for them.

    Well put. Another aspect is that it seems they want to be like Stalin and Berezovsky in one. Meant figuratively, of course. And that doesn’t work. Meaning, they want to capture what was strong about the former SU leaders / ideology, but at the same time park their assets, move their progeny and live the high life in the West.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  76. @Not Raul
    @Mikel

    What is the Saker’s batting average?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    You are mistaking the snark. I almost misunderstood myself on a casual skim.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
  77. @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    I’ve heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic subjects/slaves.
     
    The divide between Eastern Orthodox and Latin Catholic churches was not that radical at the time. Rus princes and princesses married with Catholic monarchs without their Orthodox faith being seen as something problematic.

    Also at the time it was way more profitable to be economically tied to Byzantium than to the Frankish West, which was not yet completely recovered from the dire consequences of the fall of Rome.

    Finally, Eastern Orthodox Church accepts the liturgy being conducted in the language of the parishioners, while the Latin Catholic Church forbade that at the time. We should also remember that the Orthodox made the effort of helping with the development of the Glagolithic and Cyrillic alphabets much better suited for Slavic languages transcription than Latin alphabet.

    This being said, both the Catholic and the Orthodox Churches have during hundreds of years pitched their flocks against each other in the Slavic lands. Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.

    Replies: @216, @AP

    Generally agree with first three paragraphs. However, the Catholic faith of the western Slavs did not impede their development, despite the fact that the Latin script is more cumbersome than the Cyrillic for the Slavic languages. Indeed, the Catholic Slavic countries have generally been more advanced and pleasant places for their peoples. I say this as someone personally attached to the Eastern Rite, who cannot pray as effectively in a Roman church.

    For the reasons you outlined, it was logical for the Rus to have forced eastern Christianity rather than Islam or western Christianity upon their East Slavic servants. But doing so created a strong divisive factor between peoples who were probably still very similar to one another in the 10th century – and a barrier to later harmony.

    Paganism was a dead end (we discussed it before). It only survived in the Indian subcontinent, with its massive population, higher level of civilization, and location at the end of the world (and even there, it wasn’t an easy survival). In the middle of Eurasia, among a less populous and more primitive people – it didn’t stand a chance. If Slavs hadn’t converted from their native heathenism to Christianity, they would have either become victims and subjects of western Crusading conquistadors or would have eventually become Muslims. The result might have been Germanized western Slavs ruled by their German conquistadors, and to their east – heavily-Tatar or Turkish influenced Muslims. Maybe even Turkic speaking, like the lost Tocharians. A very sad prospect.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
  78. @Bashibuzuk
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Putin managed to face down and tame his own oligarchs, who were and are a pretty nasty bunch. But now he’s fighting the world champion nasty oligarchs.
     
    He and his friends simply became the biggest oligarchs.

    He did not free RusFed from corruption.

    And now it might well result in a crushing defeat.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    It’s a boring topic without so much complexity. But I’ll write a final post about it. Westerners are often writing in this forum about Putin having the war with oligarchs, like these “oligarch people” are the opposing or hijacking class that contrasts with the state power in the postsoviet countries (this is what you can read from the users like AP, Karlin, Sailer, Reinor Tor), while forgetting the source of the money this class are provisionally holding.

    I think these netizens have the model from the American capitalism. They think oligarch is a kind of businessman who has generated money because of inventing a business as Elon Musk, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    Elon Musk could use the money from the entrepreneur’s invention (e.g. Paypal and Tesla) to change the public opinion in the elections (buy Twitter). Americans have the fears about Muskian wealth like in “Citizen Kane”, where the interests of a businessman is degrading the democracy and the transparency of information access.

    Westerners are worried the public will be tricked by these private businessmen who will influence to elect politicians that support their interests.

    An inverse implication is they believe the possibility of patriotic politicians who can fight against the private businessmen.

    Such kind of patriotic politicians will defend the legal branch of the government against financial interests. A strong politician should fight for the position of the ordinary citizen, so each individual citizen has equal political influence, in contrast to only the “big money” interest that often corrupts American politics. There was some of the unlikely narratives that Q Anon has attached for Donald Trump, like he would fight against the “big money”.

    But that is America. In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily – government. A situation with oligarchs in postsoviet countries will be easy to understand for people from Iran or Saudi Arabia, or even most countries in the world.

    A lot more simple in such countries. If you were talking to Saudis, they would understand where the wealth of the oligarchs is in origin, although you might need to add some new vocabulary like “Prince”.

    In the postsoviet space not just the laws are from the state, but the main industries are properties of state to recent years. The owning of the former state property are nowadays informally attached to the royal court. Some oligarchs have to work managing parts of court, including in the finances. It’s like if you see all the money in the bank and without understanding the bank is holding not only its own money.

    Westerners ask why some of the courts’ cashiers are falling from the power and hiring private militaries for their exile security, believing because the politicians might be opposed to businessmen as a general class, not as simply individuals, not remembering dangers for individual traitors have been the same in Soviet times, or for disobedient individual people like Khashoggi in countries like Saudi Arabia. (There are people like Khashoggi who fall into trouble with the Saudi authorities, as individuals, not as a class.)

    They don’t seem to think about whose permission they have to hold this money or who allows to have this money. Whose money they are also holding informally in postsoviet countries? Who allows you to hold the money that was so central to the state, only recently not formally the state, and still informally not so distant from it?

    But he is basically of Polish-Galician ethnic stock and he is deeply attached to his roots.

    He is and always will be partial.

    Lol I don’t think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires, too much for the views of AP, from his colonial house in somewhere like New England.

    Peoples like Poles believe nationalism based in the 19th century concept, but in America it’s more like immigrants are supporting their favorite sports team, sometimes with a lot of wealth for this “hobby”.

    To cultural context AP, I feel it is assimilation of the culture of post-Ellis Island immigrants in the North Eastern states in the US. They support their ethnic origin like a baseball team, as also their religious group. Irish are funding the independence partisans in Ireland, Jews were supporting development in “New Yishuv” in Palestine.

    But from what I understand of my years writing with him, AP is also living in elite area in North East US, where it is normal to boast of your personal prestige. It is a place where there is the strong pressure to climb the social ladder. Maybe he wasn’t in an “Ivy”, but from his writing it is like he needs ways to match such kind of prestigious neighbors.

    I assume he has become a “real white person”, although his family are immigrants from the undeveloped parts of the world and he has political views more of Cuban immigrants in Miami, not so many prestigious virtue signaling of the normal WASPs in Dartmouth or Yale.

    As for AP’s way of thinking. America has been a successful country as a colony, so I would not says this cultural context was more maladaptive than our own context. Probably my writing smells bad for him like he is talking to someone who is in the ashheap of history and that I have an unhealthy addiction to rolling on the trash.

    The same goes for Mr Hack, who is a nice person of Ukrainian background and who is rooting for the country of his ancestors

    I’m receiving some kind of relaxing atmosphere of sitting next to a cactus tree in Arizona from Mr Hack.

    Perhaps it is due to the very nature of our native language, which is so precise and complex and yet so open to lexical innovation and search for novel meaning?

    It’s a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Нам внятно всё — и острый галльский смысл,
    И сумрачный германский гений…

    А если нет — нам нечего терять,
    И нам доступно вероломство!
    Века, века вас будет проклинать
    Больное позднее потомство!

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    Lol I don’t think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires...
     
    From what I remember the Poles also have a fairly strong 'patrician nationalist' tradition going back to the Commonwealth, where the nobility is considered the spine or organising force of the nation. (Pilsudski was part of this tendency?) This would be more similar to monarchical nationalism in France, where the ideal would be kingdoms existing within a revived Christendom, rather than self-determination of peoples in the democratic and Germanic romantic sense.

    In France there was a certain amount of tension between different strands of nationalism, I got the impression it was true in Poland as well.
    , @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    I was thinking to myself that a succinct explanation is that Putin channeled the oligarchy, constraining it to his approved circle. The 90's were an unrestrained pillage and the Putin era represents a more constrained and directed pillage of national resources.

    This explains why the narrative of Putin vs. Oligarchs has traction. It's true, but only to a limited extent. A better framing would be Putin vs. Some Oligarchs.

    Really this is not so different than the dynamic in the West since one is only allowed to loot the State if one has the proper connections. If one has these, the pork barrel is open!

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily – government.
     
    Silicon Valley is a wonderfully disguised military industry plantation. Musk, Bezos, Gates et al are on 1st name basis with the biggest criminals in Washington D.C.

    For all practical purposes they are the same as the biggest criminals in Washington D.C. or these guys from Russia that have you tearing your hair out. You don't have a country?

    Join the club buddy. None of us does.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Dmitry


    It’s a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml
     
    Well, he was named "the mirror of the Russian revolution" for a reason.

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

     

    I agree that we should do it more and focus less on the unfortunate events unfolding in Ukraine. For many among us it is turning into an obsession for obvious reasons. There is more to life than this.

    Speaking of which:

    https://youtu.be/cIMKJ43TFLs

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yahya

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    You're correct in noting that I've taken a more laid back view of commenting here than usual, but I'm not laying underneath a saguaro tree trying to find some shade, it's that I've come down with what we used to call a "cold". A terrible frog has found a home in my throat, and I'm dousing it every few hours with a quarter vile of oregano/olive oil (wonderful stuff that I wholeheartedly recommend for this sort of thing). It's nice to be noticed by somebody of your stature here at this blog. Perhaps, you more than anybody else, has actively pursued keeping this blog a viable concern.


    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum

     

    Indeed. You and I went on and on once about the bus and rail systems of several cities in the world (photos and all). Well, the Phoenix Light rail system has continued to grow, you'll be happy to know.

    And there was our discussions comparing a Mozart vs a Beethoven piano concertos. I thought that I held up pretty well to your obviously more sophisticated approach to the subject.

    https://media.kjzz.org/s3fs-public/styles/special_story_images_aspect_switcher/public/metrocenter-light-rail-transit-center-rendering-20191007.jpg?itok=ypHnKTZB

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  79. @Here Be Dragon
    Philip Owen says:

    The language is irrelevant. I speak English. I am most definitely not English.
     
    As I told you before you do not understand what an identity is and how it works. I am a Ukrainian-born, Russian-speaking half-Romanian, and half-Jew.

    Define my ethnic belonging.

    Exactly the same happened in my country as happened in Ukraine. A flood of immigrant speakers of the imperial language settled during a coal mining boom and swamped the local language.
     
    You got it all backwards.

    Ukraine had not been a separate state when Poland conquered it, nor had there been a separate Ukrainian language at the time. Poland conquered a part of Russia – some territories of a part of what is now Ukraine.

    The population of those territories were the same Russian people, who spoke the Russian language in other parts of Russia. The eastern and southern part of what is now Ukraine were then a part of the Crimean Khanate, where Turkic peoples lived.

    It was due to segregation from the rest of Russia and the influence of Polonization the Ukrainian language appeared, as a result of assimilation of those Russians who had spent a few hundred years under the Polish rule.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization

    The eastern and southern parts of Ukraine were conquered and populated with immigrants from other parts of Russia. As a result of that, now we have a country in which one half of the population is affiliated with Poland, and the other with Russia.

    And the Ukrainian language was not replaced with Russian – it has been prevalent in those parts of Ukraine that were re-conquered from Poland, and even in the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine there were schools where instructions were given in Ukrainian.

    Most of schools in the rural areas were Ukrainian, as that was the native language of rural population. Those Ukrainian-speaking people were as much the immigrants in those southern and eastern territories, as were the Russian-speaking urban populations.

    To put it plain and simple, the people in the western part of Ukraine are Polonized Russians.

    My loss of my own language accentuates the challenge to my identity, it doesn’t reduce it.
     
    Of course it does.

    Language influences relationships, relationships turn into relatedness over time, and given it enough time a new ethnic group can form, due to a language alone.

    Language influences self-perception, and at the same time the perception of a person by other people. I do not speak Romanian, so I feel being less of a Romanian I would be, if I did. At the same time, for the Romanians I am as much a Romanian, as the surname I bear makes them feel whether I am one of them or not.

    You know how the Jews define who is a Jew?

    A Jew is someone who considers himself a Jew, if other Jews consider him a Jew as well.

    Replies: @AP

    Ukraine had not been a separate state when Poland conquered it, nor had there been a separate Ukrainian language at the time. Poland conquered a part of Russia – some territories of a part of what is now Ukraine.

    The population of those territories were the same Russian people, who spoke the Russian language in other parts of Russia. The eastern and southern part of what is now Ukraine were then a part of the Crimean Khanate, where Turkic peoples lived.

    It was due to segregation from the rest of Russia and the influence of Polonization the Ukrainian language appeared, as a result of assimilation of those Russians who had spent a few hundred years under the Polish rule.

    This is misleading. Russia is Great Russia, rebranded Muscovy, same as the northeastern parts of Rus, the principality of Suzdal. It has developed its own language and customs.

    Ukraine was never a part of Russia in this sense until Russia started grabbing parts of it from the 17th century. Just as Italy, Spain, or France were never part of Romania.

    There were various East Slavic tribes who were conquered and subjugated by the Rus, and took their name. They had been apart for a few centuries by the time the Rus took over, so even then by the 9th century they probably had certain cultural and linguistic differences, as Americans do from the English. Rus split into warring principalities by 1150, and Mongols swept in around 1240.

    Those Rus people living in the northeast would be be ruled by Tatars for a couple of centuries, would have some influence from them, when their language would eventually be standardized it would include a lot of Church Slavonic words (South Slavic). These would be the Russians. They called themselves Russky.

    The Rus in the central and western parts would be ruled by Poland and would get a flood of Polish cultural and linguistic influence. They would call themselves Rusyns or Rusnaks. They would call Russians – Muscovites, and consider them to be a foreign people. In the 19th century they would rename themselves Ukrainians.

    The Ukrainians were once Rus but they had never been Russians (that is, having the Muscovite culture and speaking the Great Russian/Russian language with its Church Slavonic and Asian words).

    The ethnogenesis of the Eastern Slavs was not a process of some Russians becoming Ukrainians, but rather it was some Rus becoming Ukrainians and other Rus becoming Russians. As some Romans became Italians, others became Romanians, others Spaniards, etc.

    I am a Ukrainian-born, Russian-speaking half-Romanian, and half-Jew.

    You are ignoring the fact that 2 of your 4 grandparents were Russians, because you think that ancestry is limited to patrilineal and matrilineal lines; that you are not 50% descended from your Russian maternal grandfather and Russian paternal grandmother.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    This is misleading. Russia is Great Russia, rebranded Muscovy, same as the northeastern parts of Rus, the principality of Suzdal. It has developed its own language and customs.
     
    You are wrong and you know it.

    The names Great Russia, White Russia and Little Russia were created to designate the three parts of one land and one state called the land Rus' during the times when these three parts were separated. The Church created these names.

    The Russian Orthodox Church needed these names remaining the metropolitanate of most churches in the three parts of Rus' in order to address each part in particular if need be. The principality of Suzdal was in fact the center of the White Russia.

    The name Muscovy was never used in Russia itself other than to refer to the principality of Moscow. There were a lot of principalities in Russia. Even if or when these principalities were politically independent their populations remained one people.

    Ukraine was never a part of Russia in this sense until Russia started grabbing parts of it from the 17th century. Just as Italy, Spain, or France were never part of Romania.
     
    Russia did not start grabbing her own parts but started returning them back. When the Poles indeed grabbed a part of Rus' it was called not Ukraine at the time, nor was it even called Little Russia but it was the same Rus' as the part that remained Rus' after that.

    And in contradistinction to the false analogies with Spain and France the populations of both parts of Rus' were one people who spoke the same one language and belonged to the same one religious denomination and the same culture.

    Those Rus people living in the northeast would be be ruled by Tatars for a couple of centuries, would have some influence from them. These would be the Russians. They called themselves Russky.
     
    Before that all the population of Rus' called themselves Rusich.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich

    As a part of Rus' had been separated the Russian language in that part started to change, due to the influence of the Polish language. It is a normal process.

    The Rus in the central and western parts would be ruled by Poland and would get a flood of Polish cultural and linguistic influence. They would call themselves Rusyns or Rusnaks.
     
    The fact that these populations called themselves a bit different does not make them different peoples. It is an influence of the neighboring foreign languages – dirrerent suffixes correlate with traditional suffixes of the particular language the influence of which was experienced.

    For example Rusnakŷ or Rusnacy correlates with Slováci or Slovák and Polacy or Polak. Rusynŷ correlates with Români (Â is pronounced as Y).

    You seem to ignore that some of these names are non-native i.e. exonyms whereas what matters are endonyms, as well as that it is not a suffix which matters but the root, and the root of all these names is Rus'.

    Compare the Russian name for the Romanians – румыны, with the native name of the Rusyns – русыны.

    They would call Russians – Muscovites, and consider them to be a foreign people. In the 19th century they would rename themselves Ukrainians.
     
    These would refer to the population of the other part of Rus' as Muscovites in order to avoid confusion, the same as these so-called Muscovites referred to them as the Little Russians. A light difference in the names does not make two parts of one people foreign.

    The Ukrainians were once Rus but they had never been Russians (that is, having the Muscovite culture and speaking the Great Russian/Russian language with its Church Slavonic and Asian words).
     
    You are wrong again.

    The language these people called now the Ukrainians were speaking at the time of the reintegration of that part of Russia back into one state with the rest of it was not so different from the language of that other and larger part of Rus' back then as it is now.

    Those Ukrainians themselves were then calling their language руський and руська мова – i.e. the Russian language. The Russians were calling their language Russian as well. The differences between the two were considered to be dialects.

    The Ukrainian as we know it now was formed later in Poland and then spread across the central part of what is now Ukraine but not in full. There are dialects within the modern Ukrainian language, for that reason. There are three main dialects in it.

    And there are dialects in Russian as well, however there was no significant influence on it from the Asian languages but was an influence of the Finno-Ugric languages.

    Church Slavonic was the liturgical language of both the Russian Orthodox and the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church so I guess it had influence on both Russian and Ukrainian languages.

    The interaction of the Russians with the Tatars during the Yoke was minimal.

    Therefore there was not so much difference between the Great Russians and the Little Russians as some tend to imagine. There was not some particular Muscovite culture either. The Pechersk Lavra in Kiev is an example of the classic Russian architecture.

    The ethnogenesis of the Eastern Slavs was not a process of some Russians becoming Ukrainians, but rather it was some Rus becoming Ukrainians and other Rus becoming Russians.
     
    Russia is the Greek name for Rus' and, the same as the Latin name for it – Ruthenia, it is not her native name. The Russians adopted that name due to the influence of the Orthodox Church whereas the Ukrainians adopted the name Ruthenia, for the same reason – due to the Catholic Church.

    However the Ukrainians as a people were calling themselves Little Russians.

    So whether we speak about the Great, or the White, or the Little Russians, we speak about the Russians. The notion of the Ukrainians as a separate people was a much later and in fact political fabrication and not much else.

    As some Romans became Italians, others became Romanians, others Spaniards, etc.
     
    It is a false comparison.

    The full official title of the Russian monarch was The emperor or empress of all the Russias – всея Великия и Малыя и Белыя России.

    The historical, genetic and cultural distance between these peoples is far greater than between the Russians and the Ukrainians. Their languages are not interintelligible. Such a comparison would be appropriate if we were speaking about the Russians and the Croatians, or the Czech or the Slovenians.

    But for a comparison between the Russians and the Ukrainians a closer parallel would be the Spanish and the Catalans: there are some differences, but not so deep as to consider them indeed a different people.

    You are ignoring the fact that 2 of your 4 grandparents were Russians, because you think that ancestry is limited to patrilineal and matrilineal lines; that you are not 50% descended from your Russian maternal grandfather and Russian paternal grandmother.
     
    As I said before the autosomal genes are mutable to such a degree that we do net get the same genes our paternal grandmothers and maternal grandfathers pass – from them we get mutated and unrecognizable genes. The autosomal genes are generic and can point at a particular ethnic group but not a particular person.

    Because of that parenthood can be established through either Y-DNA or mtDNA. These chromosomes do not mutate and it is through these we inherit particular traits of the people who passed them to us.

    For that reason the ethnic origin of a person is derived either from his paternal or maternal lineage, i.e. the father of his father or the mother of his mother.

    Replies: @AP

  80. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://i0.wp.com/tlio.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1024-map.gif

    Replies: @S, @Barbarossa

    There had been poor harvests before in Ireland, and what had been done in response was the common sense approach to limit food exports those years to tide people over.

    What was different about the Irish Famine (1845-50) was the application of what might be called Scientific Capitalism (as opposed to Scientific Communism), ie let the market take it’s course, aka laissez-faire Capitalism.

    People with no money didn’t have much clout in the market, so either left the country, begged, or, in many instances died from starvation. There was some private charity and in time some limited government intervention, ie food distribution in the form of low grade Indian corn and make work projects, but it wasn’t enough. It was a disaster.

    It of course would of been better to have kept with the earlier policy of limiting exports during the lean years. [Far better still, no British occupation.]

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @S


    [Far better still, no British occupation.]
     
    Just suppose the Norman conquerors of England and Wales had for some reason ignored the large and fertile island to the west, and just continued selling Anglo-Saxon slaves to the Viking kingdom of Dublin.

    https://www.buildinghistory.org/bristol/saxonslaves.shtml


    How long would it have been before some other power ruled, Norway, Spain or France perhaps? I suppose there would be a chance that a native Irish ruler might unite the island and expel or assimilate the Vikings.

    But Ireland's misfortune was to be be next door to a powerful Norman/Angevin king in Henry II. He owned a big chunk of France and conquered more, he never spoke English, only Latin and French - so when Diarmaid mac Murchadha, deposed by High King Rory O'Connor, appealed to him for military aid the die was cast which would in time end Irish self-determination for 500 years.

    Just so did the kingdoms of the Britons fall 600 years before that, when Vortigern invited Angles and Saxons into Britain to help him fight the Picts and Scots.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  81. @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW



    The question is what kind of resources Prigozhin and Kadyrov could assemble under them.
     
    Both are strong men who know that they will pay the price if RusFed is replaced with a social construct even more servile to the Globalized West. Both also know that much can be gained in the Times of Troubles by courageous and violent landlords. Both command respect from their fighters in the way the feudal landlords sometimes did. Both prepare for what is coming next, when VVP hits the exit (one way or another).



    These poor men are being driven into a sure death. They will soon be freezing. They need to come to the UA side as soon as they get there. They will survive and will be treated ok.

     

    Russians are used to die on the frontline. For most Russian men this type of death is entirely normal and acceptable as long as the goals of war are seen as clearly defined and ethically sound. The problem of the current war in Ukraine is that the goals are far from being either entirely clear or morally acceptable.

    Around 2015, the late commander of the Prizrak Battalion of the LNR - Mozgovoy - once spoke with the officers on the Ukrainian side via a live television link. Interestingly enough, both sides soon arrived to the conclusion that this war is not fought in the interest of the populations on both sides of the frontline. It is fought by the corrupt elites for the interests of their clans whom are more often than not linked with some foreign avoirs and interests. Then Mozgovoy got killed, some say that he was liquidated by the FSB, some by the SBU, perhaps it was a joint operation because both special services equally loathed his populism.

    There was a time when this type of discussion and honest debate could lead to a more humane approach towards POWs on both sides, but today there's too much hatred. Milchakov - the Russian ultra-nationalist and self-awoved national socialist who is commanding the Rusich special operations squadron, has recently publicly called for not talking prisoners alive, but for torturing Ukrainian POWs to extract information and then executing them. Similar practices have been occurring also on the Ukrainian side. If I was a Russian soldier on the frontline, I would think twice before surrendering.


    Everyone will fight against everyone now in the Russian establishment. Do the Russian people have the stamina to go through what is coming…
     
    I am unfortunately not sure at all that Russia has what it takes to get through this ordeal. I feel pessimistic about the prospects of the Russian state. But I also know that Russian people have survived even worse situations.

    I sure hope that once the RusFed is done with, some kind of healing process might begin. But perhaps I am just an idealist and the atoms would have decayed too much to yield the needed energy (to use a metaphor inspired by the poem of Georgyi Ivanov) and Russian history can no longer continue as a unified cultural space. After all, Ukraine has already come undound, why not other parts ?

    In this case, I hope that some region of the former Russian Realm might perhaps become a core for completing the Russian nation-building. But here again, hope is scarce because Globalization is probably too strong to allow for that to happen.

    Perun, give us strength!
     
    https://2ch.hk/b/arch/2017-06-22/thumb/155660961/14981224393400s.jpg

    May the spirits of our ancestors give us some wisdom to face these cruel moments. All of us are in dire need of clear understanding of what much be done and what has to be avoided.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    China, through the one child policy also has been prevented from reaching its full demographic potential.

    WWII and Chinese Civil War barely dented China’s population. Mao despite being massively unscrupulous managed to triple PRC’s population. The Han race for better or worse lacks no fecundity.

    Russian Empire was supposed to have a population of around 400 million by the end of 1940ies, but wars, terror and famine prevented this.

    200 million Slavic women would have been very charming. But you really don’t want 1.4 billion Slavs, or 1.4 billions Swedes. They wouldn’t Slavs or Swedes anymore, but rather ant-like like the Han.

    Russians With Attitude said “we’re not gonna survive the fourth genocide in 120 years”. 50-80% depopulation was a cyclical thing in Chinese history. It’s definitely possible to survive, if risk losing some of your soul.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  82. @Sean
    @YetAnotherAnon


    I can’t see Russia being defeated long-term
     
    What makes you think so? Russia's long term trajectory was not a threat to anyone before this war and won't be after it even if it won.


    "If Ukraine defeats Russia, the United States must carefully reflect on its own history. Otherwise, its hubris could prove dangerous, FP’s @stephenWalt writes. '

    Russia needs to disengage, but it can't because Ukraine won't let go.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Fermi’s Paradox

    One doesn’t even need to look to AGI as explanation. But rather cannibalism, something that happens on a large scale on a cyclical basis in Chinese history, and not practiced even in the animal kingdom.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Yes, I think along the same lines. Instead of going to the stars, we might well end just killing each other and perhaps eating each other on this planet. It is not technological advances that will kill us, we would probably use these advances to kill human civilization. In fact, some of these advances shouldn't have been made by people of unsound ethical standards. Ethics matter in the end.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Sean
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Ordinary AI could maybe deactivate Russia's strategic thermonuclear weapons. That is what former CIA Russia expert George Beabe's The Russia Trap: How Our Shadow War with Russia Could Spiral into Nuclear Catastrophe is about.

    Beabe is interesting about the Ukraine war , he thinks further escalation is to be expected because both the US/Ukraine and Russia will think the other side will be brought to their senses by one more turn of the spiral.

    https://www.gingrich360.com/2022/10/02/newts-world-episode-466-russia-ukraine-war%EF%BF%BC/

    Beebe predicts the next Russian move will be heaviest possible bombardment of Ukrainian cities. I think it is clear that Ukraine will be given the 190 mile range ATACMS missile, (McMaster thinks the US was not confrontational enought with Putin over Ukraine and could have dissuaded him. He and and the other retired generals calling for that aforenoted next escalation that might make Putin balk, also seem surprisingly sanguine about the possibility that Putin would go tactical thermonuclear. Is that because they think the US could hack the Russian launch codes and stop the missiles being launched?

    Replies: @orchardist

  83. What do we do next? What happens after the Ukrainian victory?

    Arestovych spoke very candidly about this the other day. The idea is to establish a Kyiv centric order out of which the former Russian Realm will be organized, administered, led.

    Russia’s atrocities in places such as Bucha and the attempt to threaten the Ukrainian statehood have forced the Ukrainian side to think in new, more pro-active terms and start working on potentially projecting force into neighboring areas in the former post-Soviet space, including what is currently known as the Russian Federation. To implement a gigantic program of reformatting.

    The idea of de-nuclearization of the Russian Federation is floated. In the future, the de-nuclearization should be tied to the promise of removal of sanctions. Whether this can happen, is a big question, but it looks like they’re going to put it on the table.

    One could treat this as humor or some strange political fiction, if it wasn’t for the fact that Arestovych, who has made correct predictions in the past, is quite close to the presidential administration.

    Tremendous work and resources will be required. This is a chance for the EE nationalists to put their foot in the door and fight for their ideas to be heard and ideally implemented at least on some scale.

    I know this past week was intense and I’m not posting this to add fuel to the fire, but to demonstrate what incredible, almost fantastical conversations are now taking place in Ukraine.

    “We are the biggest donor of security in the post-Russian space,” Arestovych. “We will be writing the rules.”

    [MORE]

    In Russian, starts at 1:14:00

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @LatW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXNacOkiSbM

    "The national idea of Ukraine is to lie as much as possible" – Arestovich.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW

    Well, that would follow the late Brzezinsky's thought of "Rebuilding the West to balance the East". It would also follow into the past Papacy exhortations to Ruthenians in the seventeenth century to "carry the Light east". Ukraine as an anti-Russia, being used as a focal point of assembly of ancient Rus lands in a manner that would be more aligned with the Globalized West.

    Arestovitch being a smart man probably understands this and he understands more than anyone what the Ukrainian projet is all about: a younger and more energetic mafia clan replacing the elders who have grown complacent and too hedonistic. He is part and parcel of these "young hounds" who have chased the "old boars" from power in Kiev. Now he wants to be among those who replace them in Moscow too. That is why he has already spoken in favor of keeping the Russian language and culture alive in Ukraine. To ease the integration of the Moscovites into the new Globalist Emporium managed by the Kiev Khazaro-Varangians (pun intended).

    That might work or that might end up in a nuclear war. I can see his gamble, but for me it is a too dangerous one.

    (And they really ought to rename themselves Kievan Rus, that would sweeten the pill a little... 😁)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW

    , @German_reader
    @LatW


    The idea is to establish a Kyiv centric order out of which the former Russian Realm will be organized
     
    These ideas are delusional. If Ukraine ever tries to implement something of the sort, all Western aid must be ended immediately. The deal was help preserve Ukraine its independence, not some megalomaniac project about "reformating" the "Russian Realm" (sounds a lot like "Russian World" actually).

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @LatW

  84. Stating the obvious –

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/563918-west-panicking-energy-prices/

    Russians don’t bluff, they act. With the accession of four former Ukrainian territories to Russia, it should be clear to all that Moscow is determined to achieve all the goals it set out at the start of the conflict. In the meantime, the West is in panic. Their panic is irrational and dangerous.

    CrossTalking with George Szamuely and Martin Jay.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikhail

    After 7 months of Putin shill talking heads talking tough, don't you ever get bored of them? Aren't you yet repulsed by their hubris and delusion? Their faux certainty, even as their last set of predictions of guaranteed outcomes unravelled probably even the next night?

    When feminists, who like everyone, always has a good point somewhere buried under their inflexible narrative, talk of "toxic masculinity", and are at their most precise and reasonable, this is exactly what they mean. Aren't you exhausted by the bullsh*t?

    Replies: @Mikhail

  85. @LatW
    What do we do next? What happens after the Ukrainian victory?

    Arestovych spoke very candidly about this the other day. The idea is to establish a Kyiv centric order out of which the former Russian Realm will be organized, administered, led.

    Russia's atrocities in places such as Bucha and the attempt to threaten the Ukrainian statehood have forced the Ukrainian side to think in new, more pro-active terms and start working on potentially projecting force into neighboring areas in the former post-Soviet space, including what is currently known as the Russian Federation. To implement a gigantic program of reformatting.

    The idea of de-nuclearization of the Russian Federation is floated. In the future, the de-nuclearization should be tied to the promise of removal of sanctions. Whether this can happen, is a big question, but it looks like they're going to put it on the table.

    One could treat this as humor or some strange political fiction, if it wasn't for the fact that Arestovych, who has made correct predictions in the past, is quite close to the presidential administration.

    Tremendous work and resources will be required. This is a chance for the EE nationalists to put their foot in the door and fight for their ideas to be heard and ideally implemented at least on some scale.

    I know this past week was intense and I'm not posting this to add fuel to the fire, but to demonstrate what incredible, almost fantastical conversations are now taking place in Ukraine.

    "We are the biggest donor of security in the post-Russian space," Arestovych. "We will be writing the rules."

    In Russian, starts at 1:14:00

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQVOxpT4vag

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Bashibuzuk, @German_reader

    “The national idea of Ukraine is to lie as much as possible” – Arestovich.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Here Be Dragon

    He is into experimental psychology so he says those kinds of provocative things a lot. It doesn't reflect on his geopolitical thoughts directly.

  86. @216
    @Bashibuzuk


    Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.
     
    Europe is the Faith, and the Faith is Europe.

    You are not permitted to disagree with this statement.

    Before the light of Christ, the people were nothing but filthy barbarians. After, they became great conquerors. Deprived of Christ, they became nothing but filth degenerates all over again.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Bashibuzuk, @showmethereal

  87. @Here Be Dragon
    @LatW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXNacOkiSbM

    "The national idea of Ukraine is to lie as much as possible" – Arestovich.

    Replies: @LatW

    He is into experimental psychology so he says those kinds of provocative things a lot. It doesn’t reflect on his geopolitical thoughts directly.

    • Disagree: Here Be Dragon
  88. Bashibuzuk says:
    @216
    @Bashibuzuk


    Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.
     
    Europe is the Faith, and the Faith is Europe.

    You are not permitted to disagree with this statement.

    Before the light of Christ, the people were nothing but filthy barbarians. After, they became great conquerors. Deprived of Christ, they became nothing but filth degenerates all over again.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Bashibuzuk, @showmethereal

    I see where you’re coming from.

    Pray explain, how is it then that European populations mainly speak Indo-European languages and have had a common mythological and spiritual matrix thousands of years before the Christianity came to dominate there ?

    How is it that those Aryan people who had not met and/or accepted Abrahamic religions managed to have outstanding religious thought (Vedas, Avesta, Buddhadharma) and build mighty Empires (Persian, various Indian dynasties including the Scythian ones) ?

    Was it Logos working through their hands, speaking in their tongues and fighting through their swords ?

    🙂

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Bashibuzuk

    I was listening to a lecture about British paganism the other night by one of the better British historians and it is pretty confusing. There was the pre-Indo-European religious tradition, which was pretty developed, then the Iron Age one which the Romans maimed by killing all of the druids, then the Roman Imperial one. The Romans brought their gods, plus the gods and cults of the various subject peoples they brought into the British Isles. Christianity was one of those. Then the Saxons brought their pantheon, finally the Vikings brought theirs last.

    Lately Hindus have brought their gods into Britain again, so that is another new pantheon. Possibly there is something similar with other Western European countries which were occupied by the Romans then experienced 'the Barbarian migrations'. Maybe to a somewhat lesser extent than Britain, OTOH they were more connected with the broader Mediterranean/Middle Eastern traditions.

    Compared to peoples with a more pure or coherent pagan tradition, this history doesn't seem as promising from the point of view of developing a sense of contact with your ancestors. I like the Roman tradition and the Roman remains you can still see around my area, and it's interesting to hear about what is known about pre-Christian religion, or say, Irish myths, but Christianity is much more developed as a mature living religion with a long hereditary tradition by now, so it has this practical advantage.

  89. Bashibuzuk says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Sean

    Fermi's Paradox

    One doesn't even need to look to AGI as explanation. But rather cannibalism, something that happens on a large scale on a cyclical basis in Chinese history, and not practiced even in the animal kingdom.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Sean

    Yes, I think along the same lines. Instead of going to the stars, we might well end just killing each other and perhaps eating each other on this planet. It is not technological advances that will kill us, we would probably use these advances to kill human civilization. In fact, some of these advances shouldn’t have been made by people of unsound ethical standards. Ethics matter in the end.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Bashibuzuk


    In fact, some of these advances shouldn’t have been made by people of unsound ethical standards.
     
    I used to have a big dislike of American anti-Iranian hawks but after seeing the possibility of nuclear war closer than at any other time in my life, I'm not sure anymore. The world is objectively a better place when the minimum amount of ideological and religious nutters control that kind of weapons. Perhaps preventing nuclear proliferation would be one of the few instances where military interventionism is justified.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AnonfromTN

  90. Bashibuzuk says:
    @LatW
    What do we do next? What happens after the Ukrainian victory?

    Arestovych spoke very candidly about this the other day. The idea is to establish a Kyiv centric order out of which the former Russian Realm will be organized, administered, led.

    Russia's atrocities in places such as Bucha and the attempt to threaten the Ukrainian statehood have forced the Ukrainian side to think in new, more pro-active terms and start working on potentially projecting force into neighboring areas in the former post-Soviet space, including what is currently known as the Russian Federation. To implement a gigantic program of reformatting.

    The idea of de-nuclearization of the Russian Federation is floated. In the future, the de-nuclearization should be tied to the promise of removal of sanctions. Whether this can happen, is a big question, but it looks like they're going to put it on the table.

    One could treat this as humor or some strange political fiction, if it wasn't for the fact that Arestovych, who has made correct predictions in the past, is quite close to the presidential administration.

    Tremendous work and resources will be required. This is a chance for the EE nationalists to put their foot in the door and fight for their ideas to be heard and ideally implemented at least on some scale.

    I know this past week was intense and I'm not posting this to add fuel to the fire, but to demonstrate what incredible, almost fantastical conversations are now taking place in Ukraine.

    "We are the biggest donor of security in the post-Russian space," Arestovych. "We will be writing the rules."

    In Russian, starts at 1:14:00

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQVOxpT4vag

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Bashibuzuk, @German_reader

    Well, that would follow the late Brzezinsky’s thought of “Rebuilding the West to balance the East”. It would also follow into the past Papacy exhortations to Ruthenians in the seventeenth century to “carry the Light east”. Ukraine as an anti-Russia, being used as a focal point of assembly of ancient Rus lands in a manner that would be more aligned with the Globalized West.

    Arestovitch being a smart man probably understands this and he understands more than anyone what the Ukrainian projet is all about: a younger and more energetic mafia clan replacing the elders who have grown complacent and too hedonistic. He is part and parcel of these “young hounds” who have chased the “old boars” from power in Kiev. Now he wants to be among those who replace them in Moscow too. That is why he has already spoken in favor of keeping the Russian language and culture alive in Ukraine. To ease the integration of the Moscovites into the new Globalist Emporium managed by the Kiev Khazaro-Varangians (pun intended).

    That might work or that might end up in a nuclear war. I can see his gamble, but for me it is a too dangerous one.

    (And they really ought to rename themselves Kievan Rus, that would sweeten the pill a little… 😁)

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Bashibuzuk


    a younger and more energetic mafia clan replacing the elders who have grown complacent and too hedonistic.
     
    The group of Eastern Slavs forged in the fires of this war will not be some "mafia clan," even if they started as one. They've built a military capable of genuine combined arms warfare while under invasion, with mostly spare parts from the West, in a way that RusFed could not, in 20 years, with all of the natural resource wealth one could hope for.

    That's not just more "energetic." That's genuine national possession, and I mean it in a good way. Those Ukrainian artworks of giant angel-like apparitions, directing their missiles and troops, are true.

    Or, at least, that's the way it literally appears to me, and has throughout.



    https://twitter.com/Remmar24176350/status/1497903029017714690?s=20&t=D0SZ_Cwh7EAciURtHxfJKg

    https://twitter.com/AngelRo29058693/status/1576346430175944704?s=20&t=D0SZ_Cwh7EAciURtHxfJKg

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @LatW
    @Bashibuzuk


    Ukraine as an anti-Russia
     
    Well, Russia, too, chose to not be amicable and not work with her problems. 30 years was very long, we are tired. We want to live.

    He is part and parcel of these “young hounds” who have chased the “old boars” from power in Kiev.
     
    You know, at least he's younger and brings in some fresh ideas and a more modern demeanor. It's about time.


    Now he wants to be among those who replace them in Moscow too. That is why he has already spoken in favor of keeping the Russian language and culture alive in Ukraine.
     
    I sense he did have this on his mind for a while, but only started speaking about it openly now (after Lyman, etc). But I had no idea he wants to go that far. The only question for me is if he can. This is all still very hypothetical.

    Him being in favor of retaining the Russian language initially was because he believes Ukraine should integrate Russianness since it would make Ukraine stronger (according to his logic). In the light of what he said yesterday, the Russian language will now be instrumental (this is the language that the friends of Ukraine to the East use). The Ukrainians will learn English, too, gradually.

    To ease the integration of the Moscovites into the new Globalist Emporium managed by the Kiev Khazaro-Varangians (pun intended).
     
    I know this is how it looks to you as you are attached to these ideas. And I appreciate that. But from Ukraine's point of view, given what happened that there was a barbaric attempt to erase Ukraine (which is still ongoing), Ukraine has to do what it takes for her own security (and security of others). As I said, when you initiate such big events, when you feel entitled to spin the wheel of Destiny, as Putin did, things will go out of your control and now everything that was kept inside for 30 years is coming out and falling into place. The Thundercross is spinning fast now.

    That might work or that might end up in a nuclear war. I can see his gamble, but for me it is a too dangerous one.
     
    I'm just putting it out here for you because this is new, such bold ideas were not floated yet before. I wouldn't consider it noteworthy if he weren't as close to the administration and so popular. He literally said "administer the realm" (speaking of parts of Russia from what I assumed, maybe he didn't mean literally, physically being there, and just dealing with whatever comes out of the current Russia in the next few years or maybe just dealing with places like Georgia and Moldova, remember that Georgia is now 10% Russian due to the recent influx and he wants to help Georgia handle it). Not sure it's possible to pull off, the human resources and work required for this is vast.

    And they really ought to rename themselves Kievan Rus, that would sweeten the pill a little… 😁
     
    Arestovych was going around a while back trying to rename Ukraine "Rus-Ukraina". This has been on his mind (even if may not gain traction). It's not like they don't know what this is. And it's not like they don't know who they are.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  91. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's all nice and good, and in principle I even agree with much of it (pro-nuclear power, reducing dependence on a single supplier), but still, those pipelines didn't blow themselves up, and every scenario for "Russia did it" isn't exactly plausible. I've thought about it, and my gut feeling is that Ukraine did it, possibly with American support. PiS Poland are dicks, but in the end they're still daft Catholic conservatives who might have certain scruples. On the other hand, Ukraine's intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories. They probably also killed Dugin's daughter. From my pov there is no reason to think they also wouldn't be ruthless and capable enough to blow up Nordstream. And the implications of that would be enormous. At the very least there needs to be a serious investigation, not this bs where the matter is treated as if it is of no importance anyway.

    Replies: @LatW, @The Big Red Scary

    On the other hand, Ukraine’s intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories.

    Also in the territories retaken by Ukraine, though that dirty work is often done by the natsbats. In particular, the Diocese of Izyum-Kupansk was regularly posting photos of feast days and episcopal visits to local parishes, until they suddenly stopped doing so three weeks ago. Ukrainian nationalists and schismatics are very angry that Metropolitan Elisey and the priests and parishioners of his diocese blessed the new civil administration. Probably the metropolitan and many of the priests are dead or imprisoned.

    https://risu.ua/mitropolit-upc-mp-z-izyumu-blagoslovlyaye-kolaborantiv-a-svyashchenik-v-hersoni-propoviduye-yednist-z-zagarbnikami_n131275

    None of this is unusual by historical standards (brutal repression of civilian populations was carried out by all sides in World War II), but ultimately, it’s an unconscionable failure on the part of Moscow to tell the people of Izyum region that they were there to stay, only to evacuate without a fight.

    Go big or go home.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary


    None of this is unusual by historical standards (brutal repression of civilian populations was carried out by all sides in World War II), but ultimately, it’s an unconscionable failure on the part of Moscow to tell the people of Izyum region that they were there to stay, only to evacuate without a fight.
     
    Russia's performance in this war has been utterly embarassing. Putin shouldn't have taken this gamble, there's now a real risk that Russia will be permanently reduced and cease to have any credible claims to great power status. The alternatives are eking out some kind of win through massive bloodshed or all of us getting vaporized in a nuclear war.
    I can't comment on your claims about repression in the areas re-taken by Ukraine. But possibly there's at least some truth to them. One more reason why I resent the foolish Westerners with their retarded dog avatars on Twitter and their Slava Ukraini nonsense. It's never a good idea to identify yourself completely with a foreign cause on which you have only limited influence at best.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary

  92. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW

    Well, that would follow the late Brzezinsky's thought of "Rebuilding the West to balance the East". It would also follow into the past Papacy exhortations to Ruthenians in the seventeenth century to "carry the Light east". Ukraine as an anti-Russia, being used as a focal point of assembly of ancient Rus lands in a manner that would be more aligned with the Globalized West.

    Arestovitch being a smart man probably understands this and he understands more than anyone what the Ukrainian projet is all about: a younger and more energetic mafia clan replacing the elders who have grown complacent and too hedonistic. He is part and parcel of these "young hounds" who have chased the "old boars" from power in Kiev. Now he wants to be among those who replace them in Moscow too. That is why he has already spoken in favor of keeping the Russian language and culture alive in Ukraine. To ease the integration of the Moscovites into the new Globalist Emporium managed by the Kiev Khazaro-Varangians (pun intended).

    That might work or that might end up in a nuclear war. I can see his gamble, but for me it is a too dangerous one.

    (And they really ought to rename themselves Kievan Rus, that would sweeten the pill a little... 😁)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW

    a younger and more energetic mafia clan replacing the elders who have grown complacent and too hedonistic.

    The group of Eastern Slavs forged in the fires of this war will not be some “mafia clan,” even if they started as one. They’ve built a military capable of genuine combined arms warfare while under invasion, with mostly spare parts from the West, in a way that RusFed could not, in 20 years, with all of the natural resource wealth one could hope for.

    That’s not just more “energetic.” That’s genuine national possession, and I mean it in a good way. Those Ukrainian artworks of giant angel-like apparitions, directing their missiles and troops, are true.

    Or, at least, that’s the way it literally appears to me, and has throughout.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Triteleia Laxa


    That’s not just more “energetic.” That’s genuine national possession, and I mean it in a good way.
     


    All possessions are not created equal. One has to "test the spirits" before one accepts them in his heart. One has to understand the symbols right...

    https://www.ljplus.ru/img4/s/e/sergius_caesar1/Idol_Z2.jpg

    https://cs14.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2022/09/05/3/1662345742190920880.jpg
  93. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @Mikhail
    Stating the obvious -

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/563918-west-panicking-energy-prices/

    Russians don’t bluff, they act. With the accession of four former Ukrainian territories to Russia, it should be clear to all that Moscow is determined to achieve all the goals it set out at the start of the conflict. In the meantime, the West is in panic. Their panic is irrational and dangerous.

    CrossTalking with George Szamuely and Martin Jay.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    After 7 months of Putin shill talking heads talking tough, don’t you ever get bored of them? Aren’t you yet repulsed by their hubris and delusion? Their faux certainty, even as their last set of predictions of guaranteed outcomes unravelled probably even the next night?

    When feminists, who like everyone, always has a good point somewhere buried under their inflexible narrative, talk of “toxic masculinity”, and are at their most precise and reasonable, this is exactly what they mean. Aren’t you exhausted by the bullsh*t?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Kook alert:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/retired-general-david-petraeus-predicts-the-us-would-destroy-russia-s-military-in-ukraine-and-sink-its-naval-fleet-if-it-used-nuclear-weapons/ar-AA12wU49?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=80fa4ba4889a4364b71a251d9958d2aa

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  94. @Bashibuzuk
    @216

    I see where you're coming from.

    Pray explain, how is it then that European populations mainly speak Indo-European languages and have had a common mythological and spiritual matrix thousands of years before the Christianity came to dominate there ?

    How is it that those Aryan people who had not met and/or accepted Abrahamic religions managed to have outstanding religious thought (Vedas, Avesta, Buddhadharma) and build mighty Empires (Persian, various Indian dynasties including the Scythian ones) ?

    Was it Logos working through their hands, speaking in their tongues and fighting through their swords ?

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I was listening to a lecture about British paganism the other night by one of the better British historians and it is pretty confusing. There was the pre-Indo-European religious tradition, which was pretty developed, then the Iron Age one which the Romans maimed by killing all of the druids, then the Roman Imperial one. The Romans brought their gods, plus the gods and cults of the various subject peoples they brought into the British Isles. Christianity was one of those. Then the Saxons brought their pantheon, finally the Vikings brought theirs last.

    Lately Hindus have brought their gods into Britain again, so that is another new pantheon. Possibly there is something similar with other Western European countries which were occupied by the Romans then experienced ‘the Barbarian migrations’. Maybe to a somewhat lesser extent than Britain, OTOH they were more connected with the broader Mediterranean/Middle Eastern traditions.

    Compared to peoples with a more pure or coherent pagan tradition, this history doesn’t seem as promising from the point of view of developing a sense of contact with your ancestors. I like the Roman tradition and the Roman remains you can still see around my area, and it’s interesting to hear about what is known about pre-Christian religion, or say, Irish myths, but Christianity is much more developed as a mature living religion with a long hereditary tradition by now, so it has this practical advantage.

  95. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Sean

    Fermi's Paradox

    One doesn't even need to look to AGI as explanation. But rather cannibalism, something that happens on a large scale on a cyclical basis in Chinese history, and not practiced even in the animal kingdom.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Sean

    Ordinary AI could maybe deactivate Russia’s strategic thermonuclear weapons. That is what former CIA Russia expert George Beabe’s The Russia Trap: How Our Shadow War with Russia Could Spiral into Nuclear Catastrophe is about.

    Beabe is interesting about the Ukraine war , he thinks further escalation is to be expected because both the US/Ukraine and Russia will think the other side will be brought to their senses by one more turn of the spiral.

    https://www.gingrich360.com/2022/10/02/newts-world-episode-466-russia-ukraine-war%EF%BF%BC/

    Beebe predicts the next Russian move will be heaviest possible bombardment of Ukrainian cities. I think it is clear that Ukraine will be given the 190 mile range ATACMS missile, (McMaster thinks the US was not confrontational enought with Putin over Ukraine and could have dissuaded him. He and and the other retired generals calling for that aforenoted next escalation that might make Putin balk, also seem surprisingly sanguine about the possibility that Putin would go tactical thermonuclear. Is that because they think the US could hack the Russian launch codes and stop the missiles being launched?

    • Replies: @orchardist
    @Sean


    they think the US could hack the Russian launch codes and stop the missiles being launched?
     
    This is the thesis of Project Azorian.

    Replies: @Sean

  96. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Bashibuzuk


    a younger and more energetic mafia clan replacing the elders who have grown complacent and too hedonistic.
     
    The group of Eastern Slavs forged in the fires of this war will not be some "mafia clan," even if they started as one. They've built a military capable of genuine combined arms warfare while under invasion, with mostly spare parts from the West, in a way that RusFed could not, in 20 years, with all of the natural resource wealth one could hope for.

    That's not just more "energetic." That's genuine national possession, and I mean it in a good way. Those Ukrainian artworks of giant angel-like apparitions, directing their missiles and troops, are true.

    Or, at least, that's the way it literally appears to me, and has throughout.



    https://twitter.com/Remmar24176350/status/1497903029017714690?s=20&t=D0SZ_Cwh7EAciURtHxfJKg

    https://twitter.com/AngelRo29058693/status/1576346430175944704?s=20&t=D0SZ_Cwh7EAciURtHxfJKg

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    That’s not just more “energetic.” That’s genuine national possession, and I mean it in a good way.

    [MORE]

    All possessions are not created equal. One has to “test the spirits” before one accepts them in his heart. One has to understand the symbols right…

  97. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Success is impossible without clear understanding what the reality is and changing accordingly. The same applies to the US conservatives.
     
    Certainly, Leftoids are sending huge amounts of money to fund Kiev regime aggression.

    After the midterms, incoming MAGA Republicans will be Christian Populist (not establishment conservative). This will reduce, though not eliminate, U.S. funds transfers supporting Zelensky's violence against Russian Orthodox Christians. Change takes time. In a single, two-year step, modestly improving the situation is the best that can be achieved.

    Hopefully this will be a signal to Ukie Maximalists that their dreams of conquest are about to collapse. What is most needed is an armistice that stops the shooting ASAP.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden’s veto are approximately zero.

    There is unlikely to even be any attempt to restrain aid to the Ukraine. Only ten Republicans voted no on the law in the House, and passage in the Senate was unanimous. None of the House Republicans who voted no are in line for leadership positions: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022141

    American public opinion broadly supports aiding the Ukraine: https://news.gallup.com/poll/401168/americans-back-ukrainian-goal-reclaiming-territory.aspx

    Even among Republicans, by 56 to 43 more Republicans support maintaining current levels of assistance (26%) or increasing it (26%) over reducing it.

    With no Congressional leaders in favor of scaling back aid to the Ukraine and no political profit in doing so, it’s hard to see why a GOP Congress would do anything. At most they’ll investigate irregularities in its provision.

    Russia will only find assistance from the friends Tsar Alexander II noted (since the Russian Air Force would appear to not be much of a friend).

    • Thanks: sudden death, Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Keypusher
    @Thorfinnsson

    Am I right to think that the aid would only cover Biden’s designations of military equipment to be sent to Ukraine? Other types of aid would require new appropriations?

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

  98. @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's a boring topic without so much complexity. But I'll write a final post about it. Westerners are often writing in this forum about Putin having the war with oligarchs, like these "oligarch people" are the opposing or hijacking class that contrasts with the state power in the postsoviet countries (this is what you can read from the users like AP, Karlin, Sailer, Reinor Tor), while forgetting the source of the money this class are provisionally holding.

    I think these netizens have the model from the American capitalism. They think oligarch is a kind of businessman who has generated money because of inventing a business as Elon Musk, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    Elon Musk could use the money from the entrepreneur's invention (e.g. Paypal and Tesla) to change the public opinion in the elections (buy Twitter). Americans have the fears about Muskian wealth like in "Citizen Kane", where the interests of a businessman is degrading the democracy and the transparency of information access.

    Westerners are worried the public will be tricked by these private businessmen who will influence to elect politicians that support their interests.

    An inverse implication is they believe the possibility of patriotic politicians who can fight against the private businessmen.

    Such kind of patriotic politicians will defend the legal branch of the government against financial interests. A strong politician should fight for the position of the ordinary citizen, so each individual citizen has equal political influence, in contrast to only the "big money" interest that often corrupts American politics. There was some of the unlikely narratives that Q Anon has attached for Donald Trump, like he would fight against the "big money".

    But that is America. In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily - government. A situation with oligarchs in postsoviet countries will be easy to understand for people from Iran or Saudi Arabia, or even most countries in the world.

    A lot more simple in such countries. If you were talking to Saudis, they would understand where the wealth of the oligarchs is in origin, although you might need to add some new vocabulary like "Prince".

    In the postsoviet space not just the laws are from the state, but the main industries are properties of state to recent years. The owning of the former state property are nowadays informally attached to the royal court. Some oligarchs have to work managing parts of court, including in the finances. It's like if you see all the money in the bank and without understanding the bank is holding not only its own money.

    Westerners ask why some of the courts' cashiers are falling from the power and hiring private militaries for their exile security, believing because the politicians might be opposed to businessmen as a general class, not as simply individuals, not remembering dangers for individual traitors have been the same in Soviet times, or for disobedient individual people like Khashoggi in countries like Saudi Arabia. (There are people like Khashoggi who fall into trouble with the Saudi authorities, as individuals, not as a class.)

    They don't seem to think about whose permission they have to hold this money or who allows to have this money. Whose money they are also holding informally in postsoviet countries? Who allows you to hold the money that was so central to the state, only recently not formally the state, and still informally not so distant from it?



    But he is basically of Polish-Galician ethnic stock and he is deeply attached to his roots.

    He is and always will be partial.
     
    Lol I don't think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires, too much for the views of AP, from his colonial house in somewhere like New England.

    Peoples like Poles believe nationalism based in the 19th century concept, but in America it's more like immigrants are supporting their favorite sports team, sometimes with a lot of wealth for this "hobby".

    To cultural context AP, I feel it is assimilation of the culture of post-Ellis Island immigrants in the North Eastern states in the US. They support their ethnic origin like a baseball team, as also their religious group. Irish are funding the independence partisans in Ireland, Jews were supporting development in "New Yishuv" in Palestine.

    But from what I understand of my years writing with him, AP is also living in elite area in North East US, where it is normal to boast of your personal prestige. It is a place where there is the strong pressure to climb the social ladder. Maybe he wasn't in an "Ivy", but from his writing it is like he needs ways to match such kind of prestigious neighbors.

    I assume he has become a "real white person", although his family are immigrants from the undeveloped parts of the world and he has political views more of Cuban immigrants in Miami, not so many prestigious virtue signaling of the normal WASPs in Dartmouth or Yale.

    As for AP's way of thinking. America has been a successful country as a colony, so I would not says this cultural context was more maladaptive than our own context. Probably my writing smells bad for him like he is talking to someone who is in the ashheap of history and that I have an unhealthy addiction to rolling on the trash.

    The same goes for Mr Hack, who is a nice person of Ukrainian background and who is rooting for the country of his ancestors
     
    I'm receiving some kind of relaxing atmosphere of sitting next to a cactus tree in Arizona from Mr Hack.

    Perhaps it is due to the very nature of our native language, which is so precise and complex and yet so open to lexical innovation and search for novel meaning?
     
    It's a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Нам внятно всё — и острый галльский смысл,
    И сумрачный германский гений…

    А если нет — нам нечего терять,
    И нам доступно вероломство!
    Века, века вас будет проклинать
    Больное позднее потомство!

     

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    Lol I don’t think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires…

    From what I remember the Poles also have a fairly strong ‘patrician nationalist’ tradition going back to the Commonwealth, where the nobility is considered the spine or organising force of the nation. (Pilsudski was part of this tendency?) This would be more similar to monarchical nationalism in France, where the ideal would be kingdoms existing within a revived Christendom, rather than self-determination of peoples in the democratic and Germanic romantic sense.

    In France there was a certain amount of tension between different strands of nationalism, I got the impression it was true in Poland as well.

  99. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin is at war with reality.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wanderghost

    Putin is at war with reality.

    Given the reality of unlimited monkeypox piss orgies, lumbering pedo beast girlbosses everywhere, Hunter Biden, borders looking like they’re having a sale at the brothel, jewish admiral strutting around in women’s clothes, etc etc etc, it is a war worth fighting.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wanderghost

    What Putin murdering Ukrainians has to do with all of that, I have no idea. I suppose you have some 12 dimensional chess fantasy in your head?

    Anyway, the fact is that, despite what you describe so histrionically, the balance of white migration is heavily favoured towards the US.

    So just as we know it is actually a pretty good place for Africans because they keep moving there, so too do we know that for whites. And whites are choosing to move from countries far nicer than any in Africa.

    There are a lot of things to improve, but your black and white thinking is broken.

    Replies: @Wanderghost

  100. @216
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If I was them I would be thinking about pulling out of NATO and closing the American bases.
     
    Germany refused to stop the mass invasion of migrants, and now explicitly discriminates against ethnic Germans for government jobs.

    It's a nation of cucks.

    Replies: @Wanderghost

    Just like Master.

  101. @Greasy William
    @216


    Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems
     
    I think they could with the right countermeasures. It's just that Russian ECM are total garbage.


    You aren't even supposed to use ground attack aircraft until SEAD is complete, so I have no idea what the Russians are even doing.

    Replies: @216, @Thorfinnsson

    The RuAF basically does not have a SEAD capability. It has no dedicated electronic attack aircraft and no “Wild Weasel” squadrons dedicated to hunting enemy air defense systems.

    Ten electronic warfare variants of the Su-24, the Su-24MP, were built in 1980. None are any longer in service: https://web.archive.org/web/20141219023949/http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su24mk/history/

    The only electronic warfare Flanker variant is Chinese: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42511/chinas-j-16d-electronic-attack-jet-seen-sporting-jamming-pods-for-the-first-time

    A limited number of jamming pods such as Khibiny-U exist for deployment on the Su-30. These may have been used successfully on the airborne assault on Hostomel.

    Anti-radiation missiles do exist, but in Russian service are intended mainly to attack and destroy airborne early warning radar (AEWR) aircraft.

    The Russian Air Force suffers from trying to field a full spectrum air force on a shoestring, and to the extent it specializes it specializes in denying a numerically superior adversary air superiority over the territory on the Russian Federation. A NATO air campaign against Russia would suffer from some similar challenges to the Russian air campaign over the Ukraine.

    To the extent the Russian Air Force is conducting attack sorties (and it is), it suffers from a shortage of PGMs and inferior, low resolution targeting pods. This was not a problem in Syria due to permissive environment, but in the Ukraine it’s untenable. The standard of Russian pilot training is also poor.

    A good source for this is Justin Bronk of the Royal United Services Institute.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Thorfinnsson


    The Russian Air Force suffers from trying to field a full spectrum air force on a shoestring,
     
    The Russian army assumes in a major offensive war its enemy will have air superiority.

    To the extent the Russian Air Force is conducting attack sorties (and it is), it suffers from a shortage of PGMs and inferior, low resolution targeting pods.

     

    Most of all it suffers from omnipresent American surveillance and intel. Without that the Ukrainians would have had to spread themselves very thin indeed.

    A limited number of jamming pods such as Khibiny-U exist for deployment on the Su-30. These may have been used successfully on the airborne assault on Hostomel.
     
    It is pretty well established that the Ukrainians were told well beforehand about the plan to take Hostomel, and as a result Ukrainian artillery held their fire until there were concentrated there.
    Like the Soviets, the Russia army lacks all sorts of capabilities the West assumed they had; this is one reason for the extreme secretiveness of the Russian military about their equipment. It is worth mentioning that in the van of the invasion force were National Guard with riot control equipment.
    To beak the will of the Ukrainian population, highly sophisticated aircraft are not going to be usefully anyway. Unguided missiles with large warheads will be used, and the Russians have a lot.
    , @showmethereal
    @Thorfinnsson

    From my understanding- Russia went very heavy into air defense systems because it knew it couldn’t take on NATO’s Air Forces after Soviet collapse. So why is anyone surprised by that? I’m not general - but it is understandable that Russia’s military is not set up to be an offensive one like the US. The differences in mindset are readily apparent. Why are people expecting Russians to fight a war American style? Especially when with all of America’s tech prowess when boots have to go on the ground - the tale becomes very different…

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

  102. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @Wanderghost
    @LatW


    Putin is at war with reality.
     
    Given the reality of unlimited monkeypox piss orgies, lumbering pedo beast girlbosses everywhere, Hunter Biden, borders looking like they're having a sale at the brothel, jewish admiral strutting around in women's clothes, etc etc etc, it is a war worth fighting.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    What Putin murdering Ukrainians has to do with all of that, I have no idea. I suppose you have some 12 dimensional chess fantasy in your head?

    Anyway, the fact is that, despite what you describe so histrionically, the balance of white migration is heavily favoured towards the US.

    So just as we know it is actually a pretty good place for Africans because they keep moving there, so too do we know that for whites. And whites are choosing to move from countries far nicer than any in Africa.

    There are a lot of things to improve, but your black and white thinking is broken.

    • Replies: @Wanderghost
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Oh Shilleus, do bite me.

  103. Uh oh…

    Whether it’s just an offensive desirable plan or reality we’ll know soon for sure;

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Latest autotranslated Strelkov with my own minor corrections:


    The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to “wind up” our front along the Oskol reservoir towards Svatovo. Information was received that the enemy today occupied the urban settlement of Borovaya and the village of Shiykovka. Our troops are withdrawing without a fight, which is caused by the impossibility of successfully defending this vast wooded area with the available forces.

    I remind you that in July and August I wrote "let's wait for October" and I was asked (including on this page): "what do you mean?" So, that's exactly what I meant. And what will happen in October next. Wasted months not possible to return. A few more weeks will pass, during which we will only be able to defend ourselves and "squeeze" back in controlled territories while the reserves being collected now (as part of the mobilization) will not be ready for use. And let God to do so that the enemy could fail to fully realize the significant advantage that he has now.
     
    https://vk.com/igoristrelkov?w=wall347260249_665199

    Replies: @sudden death

  104. @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://i0.wp.com/tlio.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1024-map.gif

    Replies: @S, @Barbarossa

    I always knew it…I’m People of Color too! I’m a black man trapped in a white man’s body!

    Of course, the funny thing about resentment politics is that since history is just one long litany of peoples shitting on other peoples we all get to be #Oppressed in some way. It can only be limited by the political usefulness of highlighting that oppression.

  105. @sudden death
    Uh oh...

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeFyqtGXwAcXhrj.jpg

    Whether it's just an offensive desirable plan or reality we'll know soon for sure;

    Replies: @sudden death

    Latest autotranslated Strelkov with my own minor corrections:

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to “wind up” our front along the Oskol reservoir towards Svatovo. Information was received that the enemy today occupied the urban settlement of Borovaya and the village of Shiykovka. Our troops are withdrawing without a fight, which is caused by the impossibility of successfully defending this vast wooded area with the available forces.

    I remind you that in July and August I wrote “let’s wait for October” and I was asked (including on this page): “what do you mean?” So, that’s exactly what I meant. And what will happen in October next. Wasted months not possible to return. A few more weeks will pass, during which we will only be able to defend ourselves and “squeeze” back in controlled territories while the reserves being collected now (as part of the mobilization) will not be ready for use. And let God to do so that the enemy could fail to fully realize the significant advantage that he has now.

    https://vk.com/igoristrelkov?w=wall347260249_665199

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Developing UA north advance in graphic form:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeJlx0TWYAQqDtc.jpg

  106. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikhail

    After 7 months of Putin shill talking heads talking tough, don't you ever get bored of them? Aren't you yet repulsed by their hubris and delusion? Their faux certainty, even as their last set of predictions of guaranteed outcomes unravelled probably even the next night?

    When feminists, who like everyone, always has a good point somewhere buried under their inflexible narrative, talk of "toxic masculinity", and are at their most precise and reasonable, this is exactly what they mean. Aren't you exhausted by the bullsh*t?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikhail

    It is embarrassing that it is an American, rather than a European, who needs to say this, but the idea that Russia can invade a European country, lose, but then nuke European land, lived in by Eruopean peoples, out of spite, is not something Europe, as a whole, should tolerate.

    Yes to conventionally obliterating Russian forces, if Putin should commit such a horror.

  107. @Thorfinnsson
    @A123

    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden's veto are approximately zero.

    There is unlikely to even be any attempt to restrain aid to the Ukraine. Only ten Republicans voted no on the law in the House, and passage in the Senate was unanimous. None of the House Republicans who voted no are in line for leadership positions: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022141

    American public opinion broadly supports aiding the Ukraine: https://news.gallup.com/poll/401168/americans-back-ukrainian-goal-reclaiming-territory.aspx

    Even among Republicans, by 56 to 43 more Republicans support maintaining current levels of assistance (26%) or increasing it (26%) over reducing it.

    With no Congressional leaders in favor of scaling back aid to the Ukraine and no political profit in doing so, it's hard to see why a GOP Congress would do anything. At most they'll investigate irregularities in its provision.

    Russia will only find assistance from the friends Tsar Alexander II noted (since the Russian Air Force would appear to not be much of a friend).

    Replies: @Keypusher

    Am I right to think that the aid would only cover Biden’s designations of military equipment to be sent to Ukraine? Other types of aid would require new appropriations?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @Keypusher

    Yes, you are right, and major US financial assistance to the Ukraine has come from Congressional appropriations.

    That said the executive branch has some means to provide financial assistance without Congress. In August billions of funds from the World Bank were sent to the Ukraine, for instance. The Federal Reserve and various executive agencies like the Export-Import Bank can also provide assistance without Congressional appropriations.

    What will happen going forward is that military assistance from the Ukraine will take less the form of transferring existing stocks of weapon and more that the Ukraine will order weapons directly from Western (mainly US) arms manufacturers. While the incoming Republican Congress may not authorize large financial appropriations to the Ukraine (I won't hold my breath), the executive branch has some other ways to finance Ukrainian arms purchases and of course there are all the other Western backers of the Ukraine.

    How this will look in practice is that the Ukrainian MoD will order GMLRS rockets for their HIMARS, the Biden administration will approve the sale and the export credit (on very generous terms), and Europeans will provide the cash to pay Lockheed Martin.

  108. @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's a boring topic without so much complexity. But I'll write a final post about it. Westerners are often writing in this forum about Putin having the war with oligarchs, like these "oligarch people" are the opposing or hijacking class that contrasts with the state power in the postsoviet countries (this is what you can read from the users like AP, Karlin, Sailer, Reinor Tor), while forgetting the source of the money this class are provisionally holding.

    I think these netizens have the model from the American capitalism. They think oligarch is a kind of businessman who has generated money because of inventing a business as Elon Musk, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    Elon Musk could use the money from the entrepreneur's invention (e.g. Paypal and Tesla) to change the public opinion in the elections (buy Twitter). Americans have the fears about Muskian wealth like in "Citizen Kane", where the interests of a businessman is degrading the democracy and the transparency of information access.

    Westerners are worried the public will be tricked by these private businessmen who will influence to elect politicians that support their interests.

    An inverse implication is they believe the possibility of patriotic politicians who can fight against the private businessmen.

    Such kind of patriotic politicians will defend the legal branch of the government against financial interests. A strong politician should fight for the position of the ordinary citizen, so each individual citizen has equal political influence, in contrast to only the "big money" interest that often corrupts American politics. There was some of the unlikely narratives that Q Anon has attached for Donald Trump, like he would fight against the "big money".

    But that is America. In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily - government. A situation with oligarchs in postsoviet countries will be easy to understand for people from Iran or Saudi Arabia, or even most countries in the world.

    A lot more simple in such countries. If you were talking to Saudis, they would understand where the wealth of the oligarchs is in origin, although you might need to add some new vocabulary like "Prince".

    In the postsoviet space not just the laws are from the state, but the main industries are properties of state to recent years. The owning of the former state property are nowadays informally attached to the royal court. Some oligarchs have to work managing parts of court, including in the finances. It's like if you see all the money in the bank and without understanding the bank is holding not only its own money.

    Westerners ask why some of the courts' cashiers are falling from the power and hiring private militaries for their exile security, believing because the politicians might be opposed to businessmen as a general class, not as simply individuals, not remembering dangers for individual traitors have been the same in Soviet times, or for disobedient individual people like Khashoggi in countries like Saudi Arabia. (There are people like Khashoggi who fall into trouble with the Saudi authorities, as individuals, not as a class.)

    They don't seem to think about whose permission they have to hold this money or who allows to have this money. Whose money they are also holding informally in postsoviet countries? Who allows you to hold the money that was so central to the state, only recently not formally the state, and still informally not so distant from it?



    But he is basically of Polish-Galician ethnic stock and he is deeply attached to his roots.

    He is and always will be partial.
     
    Lol I don't think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires, too much for the views of AP, from his colonial house in somewhere like New England.

    Peoples like Poles believe nationalism based in the 19th century concept, but in America it's more like immigrants are supporting their favorite sports team, sometimes with a lot of wealth for this "hobby".

    To cultural context AP, I feel it is assimilation of the culture of post-Ellis Island immigrants in the North Eastern states in the US. They support their ethnic origin like a baseball team, as also their religious group. Irish are funding the independence partisans in Ireland, Jews were supporting development in "New Yishuv" in Palestine.

    But from what I understand of my years writing with him, AP is also living in elite area in North East US, where it is normal to boast of your personal prestige. It is a place where there is the strong pressure to climb the social ladder. Maybe he wasn't in an "Ivy", but from his writing it is like he needs ways to match such kind of prestigious neighbors.

    I assume he has become a "real white person", although his family are immigrants from the undeveloped parts of the world and he has political views more of Cuban immigrants in Miami, not so many prestigious virtue signaling of the normal WASPs in Dartmouth or Yale.

    As for AP's way of thinking. America has been a successful country as a colony, so I would not says this cultural context was more maladaptive than our own context. Probably my writing smells bad for him like he is talking to someone who is in the ashheap of history and that I have an unhealthy addiction to rolling on the trash.

    The same goes for Mr Hack, who is a nice person of Ukrainian background and who is rooting for the country of his ancestors
     
    I'm receiving some kind of relaxing atmosphere of sitting next to a cactus tree in Arizona from Mr Hack.

    Perhaps it is due to the very nature of our native language, which is so precise and complex and yet so open to lexical innovation and search for novel meaning?
     
    It's a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Нам внятно всё — и острый галльский смысл,
    И сумрачный германский гений…

    А если нет — нам нечего терять,
    И нам доступно вероломство!
    Века, века вас будет проклинать
    Больное позднее потомство!

     

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    I was thinking to myself that a succinct explanation is that Putin channeled the oligarchy, constraining it to his approved circle. The 90’s were an unrestrained pillage and the Putin era represents a more constrained and directed pillage of national resources.

    This explains why the narrative of Putin vs. Oligarchs has traction. It’s true, but only to a limited extent. A better framing would be Putin vs. Some Oligarchs.

    Really this is not so different than the dynamic in the West since one is only allowed to loot the State if one has the proper connections. If one has these, the pork barrel is open!

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    In the 1990s, there was conflict for former state's resources in Saint-Petersburg, with the mediation and state capture involving often local government, including the Mayor's (Sobchak) office.

    Probably most infamously is the relation of the Mayor's office with conflicts between Tambov gang and Malyshev's gang for assets like logistical hubs into Russia. This can seem like old history, but the same people are still all mixed together as friends in the 2020s. Officials' family are often mixed with family of the representatives of such kinds of groups.

    In 1996 the Sobchak's team move to manage in Moscow to work for Yeltsin's office. This relatively younger team from Saint-Petersburg was talented with the PR and managing of new media and this has continued after Yeltsin. Although the criticism is that they too prioritize managing of the image and here is one of the aspects of the government in the early 21st century.


    This explains why the narrative of Putin vs. Oligarchs has traction. It’s true, but only to a limited extent. A better framing would be Putin vs. Some Oligarchs.

     

    There are different clans, which have alliances between each other, often friends from many decades ago. Some of these clans sometimes lose protection so then are expropriated by colleagues, through the mechanism of the state, which is the "official face" of those other clans.

    It's probably similar in many countries (especially somewhere like Brazil), but in Russia and Ukraine it's especially "not independent wealth" because this is recent state property that they are being allowed to sit on. It is the recent property of the Soviet people. And the officials' children are sitting with them. In such ways, it could be similar in Iran, perhaps in China. The property is becoming less provisional when it is circled around and washed which is why they are cycling the money around the world.

  109. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @Mikhail
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Kook alert:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/retired-general-david-petraeus-predicts-the-us-would-destroy-russia-s-military-in-ukraine-and-sink-its-naval-fleet-if-it-used-nuclear-weapons/ar-AA12wU49?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=80fa4ba4889a4364b71a251d9958d2aa

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It is embarrassing that it is an American, rather than a European, who needs to say this, but the idea that Russia can invade a European country, lose, but then nuke European land, lived in by Eruopean peoples, out of spite, is not something Europe, as a whole, should tolerate.

    Yes to conventionally obliterating Russian forces, if Putin should commit such a horror.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  110. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Ukraine had not been a separate state when Poland conquered it, nor had there been a separate Ukrainian language at the time. Poland conquered a part of Russia – some territories of a part of what is now Ukraine.

    The population of those territories were the same Russian people, who spoke the Russian language in other parts of Russia. The eastern and southern part of what is now Ukraine were then a part of the Crimean Khanate, where Turkic peoples lived.

    It was due to segregation from the rest of Russia and the influence of Polonization the Ukrainian language appeared, as a result of assimilation of those Russians who had spent a few hundred years under the Polish rule.
     
    This is misleading. Russia is Great Russia, rebranded Muscovy, same as the northeastern parts of Rus, the principality of Suzdal. It has developed its own language and customs.

    Ukraine was never a part of Russia in this sense until Russia started grabbing parts of it from the 17th century. Just as Italy, Spain, or France were never part of Romania.

    There were various East Slavic tribes who were conquered and subjugated by the Rus, and took their name. They had been apart for a few centuries by the time the Rus took over, so even then by the 9th century they probably had certain cultural and linguistic differences, as Americans do from the English. Rus split into warring principalities by 1150, and Mongols swept in around 1240.

    Those Rus people living in the northeast would be be ruled by Tatars for a couple of centuries, would have some influence from them, when their language would eventually be standardized it would include a lot of Church Slavonic words (South Slavic). These would be the Russians. They called themselves Russky.

    The Rus in the central and western parts would be ruled by Poland and would get a flood of Polish cultural and linguistic influence. They would call themselves Rusyns or Rusnaks. They would call Russians - Muscovites, and consider them to be a foreign people. In the 19th century they would rename themselves Ukrainians.

    The Ukrainians were once Rus but they had never been Russians (that is, having the Muscovite culture and speaking the Great Russian/Russian language with its Church Slavonic and Asian words).

    The ethnogenesis of the Eastern Slavs was not a process of some Russians becoming Ukrainians, but rather it was some Rus becoming Ukrainians and other Rus becoming Russians. As some Romans became Italians, others became Romanians, others Spaniards, etc.

    I am a Ukrainian-born, Russian-speaking half-Romanian, and half-Jew.
     
    You are ignoring the fact that 2 of your 4 grandparents were Russians, because you think that ancestry is limited to patrilineal and matrilineal lines; that you are not 50% descended from your Russian maternal grandfather and Russian paternal grandmother.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    This is misleading. Russia is Great Russia, rebranded Muscovy, same as the northeastern parts of Rus, the principality of Suzdal. It has developed its own language and customs.

    You are wrong and you know it.

    The names Great Russia, White Russia and Little Russia were created to designate the three parts of one land and one state called the land Rus’ during the times when these three parts were separated. The Church created these names.

    The Russian Orthodox Church needed these names remaining the metropolitanate of most churches in the three parts of Rus’ in order to address each part in particular if need be. The principality of Suzdal was in fact the center of the White Russia.

    The name Muscovy was never used in Russia itself other than to refer to the principality of Moscow. There were a lot of principalities in Russia. Even if or when these principalities were politically independent their populations remained one people.

    Ukraine was never a part of Russia in this sense until Russia started grabbing parts of it from the 17th century. Just as Italy, Spain, or France were never part of Romania.

    Russia did not start grabbing her own parts but started returning them back. When the Poles indeed grabbed a part of Rus’ it was called not Ukraine at the time, nor was it even called Little Russia but it was the same Rus’ as the part that remained Rus’ after that.

    And in contradistinction to the false analogies with Spain and France the populations of both parts of Rus’ were one people who spoke the same one language and belonged to the same one religious denomination and the same culture.

    Those Rus people living in the northeast would be be ruled by Tatars for a couple of centuries, would have some influence from them. These would be the Russians. They called themselves Russky.

    Before that all the population of Rus’ called themselves Rusich.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich

    As a part of Rus’ had been separated the Russian language in that part started to change, due to the influence of the Polish language. It is a normal process.

    The Rus in the central and western parts would be ruled by Poland and would get a flood of Polish cultural and linguistic influence. They would call themselves Rusyns or Rusnaks.

    The fact that these populations called themselves a bit different does not make them different peoples. It is an influence of the neighboring foreign languages – dirrerent suffixes correlate with traditional suffixes of the particular language the influence of which was experienced.

    For example Rusnakŷ or Rusnacy correlates with Slováci or Slovák and Polacy or Polak. Rusynŷ correlates with Români (Â is pronounced as Y).

    You seem to ignore that some of these names are non-native i.e. exonyms whereas what matters are endonyms, as well as that it is not a suffix which matters but the root, and the root of all these names is Rus’.

    Compare the Russian name for the Romanians – румыны, with the native name of the Rusyns – русыны.

    They would call Russians – Muscovites, and consider them to be a foreign people. In the 19th century they would rename themselves Ukrainians.

    These would refer to the population of the other part of Rus’ as Muscovites in order to avoid confusion, the same as these so-called Muscovites referred to them as the Little Russians. A light difference in the names does not make two parts of one people foreign.

    The Ukrainians were once Rus but they had never been Russians (that is, having the Muscovite culture and speaking the Great Russian/Russian language with its Church Slavonic and Asian words).

    You are wrong again.

    The language these people called now the Ukrainians were speaking at the time of the reintegration of that part of Russia back into one state with the rest of it was not so different from the language of that other and larger part of Rus’ back then as it is now.

    Those Ukrainians themselves were then calling their language руський and руська мова – i.e. the Russian language. The Russians were calling their language Russian as well. The differences between the two were considered to be dialects.

    The Ukrainian as we know it now was formed later in Poland and then spread across the central part of what is now Ukraine but not in full. There are dialects within the modern Ukrainian language, for that reason. There are three main dialects in it.

    And there are dialects in Russian as well, however there was no significant influence on it from the Asian languages but was an influence of the Finno-Ugric languages.

    Church Slavonic was the liturgical language of both the Russian Orthodox and the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church so I guess it had influence on both Russian and Ukrainian languages.

    The interaction of the Russians with the Tatars during the Yoke was minimal.

    Therefore there was not so much difference between the Great Russians and the Little Russians as some tend to imagine. There was not some particular Muscovite culture either. The Pechersk Lavra in Kiev is an example of the classic Russian architecture.

    The ethnogenesis of the Eastern Slavs was not a process of some Russians becoming Ukrainians, but rather it was some Rus becoming Ukrainians and other Rus becoming Russians.

    Russia is the Greek name for Rus’ and, the same as the Latin name for it – Ruthenia, it is not her native name. The Russians adopted that name due to the influence of the Orthodox Church whereas the Ukrainians adopted the name Ruthenia, for the same reason – due to the Catholic Church.

    However the Ukrainians as a people were calling themselves Little Russians.

    So whether we speak about the Great, or the White, or the Little Russians, we speak about the Russians. The notion of the Ukrainians as a separate people was a much later and in fact political fabrication and not much else.

    As some Romans became Italians, others became Romanians, others Spaniards, etc.

    It is a false comparison.

    The full official title of the Russian monarch was The emperor or empress of all the Russias – всея Великия и Малыя и Белыя России.

    The historical, genetic and cultural distance between these peoples is far greater than between the Russians and the Ukrainians. Their languages are not interintelligible. Such a comparison would be appropriate if we were speaking about the Russians and the Croatians, or the Czech or the Slovenians.

    But for a comparison between the Russians and the Ukrainians a closer parallel would be the Spanish and the Catalans: there are some differences, but not so deep as to consider them indeed a different people.

    [MORE]

    You are ignoring the fact that 2 of your 4 grandparents were Russians, because you think that ancestry is limited to patrilineal and matrilineal lines; that you are not 50% descended from your Russian maternal grandfather and Russian paternal grandmother.

    As I said before the autosomal genes are mutable to such a degree that we do net get the same genes our paternal grandmothers and maternal grandfathers pass – from them we get mutated and unrecognizable genes. The autosomal genes are generic and can point at a particular ethnic group but not a particular person.

    Because of that parenthood can be established through either Y-DNA or mtDNA. These chromosomes do not mutate and it is through these we inherit particular traits of the people who passed them to us.

    For that reason the ethnic origin of a person is derived either from his paternal or maternal lineage, i.e. the father of his father or the mother of his mother.

    • Thanks: for-the-record
    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The names Great Russia, White Russia and Little Russia were created to designate the three parts of one land and one state called the land Rus’ during the times when these three parts were separated. The Church created these names.
     
    False. Little Rus was first documented as having been used by the Galician king in 1335 and was later used by the Poles.

    "The first recorded usage of the term is attributed to Boleslaus George II of Halych.[8] In a 1335 letter to Dietrich von Altenburg, the Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights, he styled himself «dux totius Rusiæ Minoris».[8] The name was used by Patriarch Callistus I of Constantinople in 1361 when he created two metropolitan sees: Great Rus' in Vladimir and Kyiv and Little Rus' with its centers in Galich (Halych) and Novgorodok (Navahrudak).[8] King Casimir III of Poland was called "the king of Lechia and Little Rus'."

    "Ukraine was never a part of Russia in this sense until Russia started grabbing parts of it from the 17th century. Just as Italy, Spain, or France were never part of Romania."

    Russia did not start grabbing her own parts but started returning them back
     
    Ukraine had never been part of Suzdal/Muscovy and had never been ruled from Moscow until Russia started grabbing these lands - other than during a brief period in the 12th century when a Suzdalian prince sacked Kiev and placed his man on the local throne. The locals in Kiev hated this easterner and drove him out in an uprising.

    Before that all the population of Rus’ called themselves Rusich.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich
     
    False. They called themselves Rusyns. Rusych only appeared in the 12th century and only in one work. It was a rarely used word back then.:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8

    В древнерусских памятниках слово встречается только 4 раза (2 раза в форме русичи и 2 в цокающей форме русици) и только в «Слове о полку Игореве».

    Rusyn on the other hand appeared earlier and was evident much more often. It was not a foreign version caused by Romanian influence.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B_(%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC)

    Эндоэтноним «русин» как наименование жителя Древней Руси[3] встречается в «Повести временных лет» наряду с прилагательным «русьскыи»[4]. Здесь слово «русин» упомянуто в описании договора Олега с греками (911 год) (7 раз) и договора Игоря с греками (944 года) (6 раз). Используется это слово и в ранних редакциях Русской Правды (Краткой и Пространной)[5]

    Russians called themselves Russky but also used Rusyn until the 17th century. In contrast, Rusyn continued to be widely used in Ukraine until the 19th century and is still used by some Lemkos and Transcarpathians.

    "They would call Russians – Muscovites, and consider them to be a foreign people. In the 19th century they would rename themselves Ukrainians."

    These would refer to the population of the other part of Rus’ as Muscovites in order to avoid confusion
     
    The Volhynian Chronicle classified Muscovites alongside Moldovans as Orthodox but foreign.

    Those Ukrainians themselves were then calling their language руський and руська мова – i.e. the Russian language
     
    It was not Russian language, but Rus language. They weren't using the Suzdalian/Muscovite/Russian language and didn't consider their language to be the same as that of the Muscovites.

    The differences between the two were considered to be dialects.
     
    They were different enough that the 17th century Pereyaslav negotiations required the use off a translator, using Latin.

    The notion of the Ukrainians as a separate people was a much later and in fact political fabrication and not much else.
     
    You are writing the opposite of the reality. The notion of the Ukrainians as the same people was a later fabrication. I think it appeared in the early 16th century. Ironically pushed by Little Russians/Ukrainians themselves in the service of the Russian state, who were justifying their positions before resentful native Russians. It was used as proof by them that they had the right to obtain high administrative positions, because they were Russians too.

    Church Slavonic was the liturgical language of both the Russian Orthodox and the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church so I guess it had influence on both Russian and Ukrainian languages.
     
    No. When the Russian language was standardized, the literary form was packed with Church Slavonic; the Ukrainian literary language in contrast was much closer to the regular vernacular, so it did not have such influence. Standardized Rusyn (used in Slovakia and eastern Poland), unlike Ukrainian, incorporated some Church Slavonic so in some ways it resembles Russian (but in other ways, it is closer to Polish than standard Ukrainian).

    The historical, genetic and cultural distance between these peoples is far greater than between the Russians and the Ukrainians.
     
    Ukrainian is about as close to Russian as Italian is to Spanish.

    A Ukrainian who has never heard Russian will not be able to understand a conversation, in Russian and vice versa. We had an ethnic Russian nanny from Central Asia, who had heard hardly any Ukrainian before - she couldn't understand or follow a conversation. And I could not understand Russian (other than a word here or there, an occasional phrase) before I lived in Russia.


    As I said before the autosomal genes are mutable to such a degree that we do net get the same genes our paternal grandmothers and maternal grandfathers pass – from them we get mutated and unrecognizable genes.
     
    False. If autosomal genes were unrecognizable, than DNA tests wouldn't be able to accurately identify relatives through one's non patrilinear or non matrilinear grandparents. Or paternity tests wouldn't work with female children.

    Autosomal genes do not become unrecognizable through mutation; rather they get mixed between grandparents. For this reason it is not possible to determine which specific gene came from which grandparent, but one still has about 25% of the genes from each grandparent. About half of your father's genes come from his mother, and about half of your mother's genes come from her father. But they are mixed up with each other in the autosomes.

    So DNA testing using autosomal genes can show the approximate strength of the relationship between people, but cannot determine through which specific grandparent people they might be related. The sex chromosomes, OTOH, do not get mixed so they can be used to trace specific patrilinear descent (for males) and matrilinear (for both males and females).

    Most of one's genes, of course, do not come from the two sex chromosomes. The Y chromosome in particular only has about 200 genes. Traits such as intelligence are linked to genes from various chromosomes (particularly chromosome 10, which is not a sex chromosome):

    https://www.nature.com/articles/mp2017121

    Depending on the combination, one can resemble and have the character of any one of one's grandparents. I look like my father and my paternal grandfather, but my aunt's sons resemble her, who looks just like her father. So they look like their maternal grandfather.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Here Be Dragon

  111. It is embarrassing that it is an American, rather than a European, who needs to say this, but the idea that Russia can invade a European country, lose, but then nuke European land, lived in by Eruopean peoples, out of spite, is not something Europe, as a whole, should tolerate.

    Yes to conventionally obliterating Russian forces, if Putin should commit such a horror.

    Rhetorically asked, what’s the official US rationale for having used the A bomb twice? Moreover, you don’t think that Russia would feel obligated to respond by doing any number of things that could include hitting US forces in Germany?

    Don’t need Mercouris to remind me of some of the twisted thinking among some US elites.

    BTW, Russia isn’t losing and will not lose, contrary to neocon wet dreams.

  112. @Thorfinnsson
    @Greasy William

    The RuAF basically does not have a SEAD capability. It has no dedicated electronic attack aircraft and no "Wild Weasel" squadrons dedicated to hunting enemy air defense systems.

    Ten electronic warfare variants of the Su-24, the Su-24MP, were built in 1980. None are any longer in service: https://web.archive.org/web/20141219023949/http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su24mk/history/

    The only electronic warfare Flanker variant is Chinese: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42511/chinas-j-16d-electronic-attack-jet-seen-sporting-jamming-pods-for-the-first-time

    A limited number of jamming pods such as Khibiny-U exist for deployment on the Su-30. These may have been used successfully on the airborne assault on Hostomel.

    Anti-radiation missiles do exist, but in Russian service are intended mainly to attack and destroy airborne early warning radar (AEWR) aircraft.

    The Russian Air Force suffers from trying to field a full spectrum air force on a shoestring, and to the extent it specializes it specializes in denying a numerically superior adversary air superiority over the territory on the Russian Federation. A NATO air campaign against Russia would suffer from some similar challenges to the Russian air campaign over the Ukraine.

    To the extent the Russian Air Force is conducting attack sorties (and it is), it suffers from a shortage of PGMs and inferior, low resolution targeting pods. This was not a problem in Syria due to permissive environment, but in the Ukraine it's untenable. The standard of Russian pilot training is also poor.

    A good source for this is Justin Bronk of the Royal United Services Institute.

    Replies: @Sean, @showmethereal

    The Russian Air Force suffers from trying to field a full spectrum air force on a shoestring,

    The Russian army assumes in a major offensive war its enemy will have air superiority.

    To the extent the Russian Air Force is conducting attack sorties (and it is), it suffers from a shortage of PGMs and inferior, low resolution targeting pods.

    Most of all it suffers from omnipresent American surveillance and intel. Without that the Ukrainians would have had to spread themselves very thin indeed.

    A limited number of jamming pods such as Khibiny-U exist for deployment on the Su-30. These may have been used successfully on the airborne assault on Hostomel.

    It is pretty well established that the Ukrainians were told well beforehand about the plan to take Hostomel, and as a result Ukrainian artillery held their fire until there were concentrated there.
    Like the Soviets, the Russia army lacks all sorts of capabilities the West assumed they had; this is one reason for the extreme secretiveness of the Russian military about their equipment. It is worth mentioning that in the van of the invasion force were National Guard with riot control equipment.
    To beak the will of the Ukrainian population, highly sophisticated aircraft are not going to be usefully anyway. Unguided missiles with large warheads will be used, and the Russians have a lot.

  113. @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's a boring topic without so much complexity. But I'll write a final post about it. Westerners are often writing in this forum about Putin having the war with oligarchs, like these "oligarch people" are the opposing or hijacking class that contrasts with the state power in the postsoviet countries (this is what you can read from the users like AP, Karlin, Sailer, Reinor Tor), while forgetting the source of the money this class are provisionally holding.

    I think these netizens have the model from the American capitalism. They think oligarch is a kind of businessman who has generated money because of inventing a business as Elon Musk, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    Elon Musk could use the money from the entrepreneur's invention (e.g. Paypal and Tesla) to change the public opinion in the elections (buy Twitter). Americans have the fears about Muskian wealth like in "Citizen Kane", where the interests of a businessman is degrading the democracy and the transparency of information access.

    Westerners are worried the public will be tricked by these private businessmen who will influence to elect politicians that support their interests.

    An inverse implication is they believe the possibility of patriotic politicians who can fight against the private businessmen.

    Such kind of patriotic politicians will defend the legal branch of the government against financial interests. A strong politician should fight for the position of the ordinary citizen, so each individual citizen has equal political influence, in contrast to only the "big money" interest that often corrupts American politics. There was some of the unlikely narratives that Q Anon has attached for Donald Trump, like he would fight against the "big money".

    But that is America. In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily - government. A situation with oligarchs in postsoviet countries will be easy to understand for people from Iran or Saudi Arabia, or even most countries in the world.

    A lot more simple in such countries. If you were talking to Saudis, they would understand where the wealth of the oligarchs is in origin, although you might need to add some new vocabulary like "Prince".

    In the postsoviet space not just the laws are from the state, but the main industries are properties of state to recent years. The owning of the former state property are nowadays informally attached to the royal court. Some oligarchs have to work managing parts of court, including in the finances. It's like if you see all the money in the bank and without understanding the bank is holding not only its own money.

    Westerners ask why some of the courts' cashiers are falling from the power and hiring private militaries for their exile security, believing because the politicians might be opposed to businessmen as a general class, not as simply individuals, not remembering dangers for individual traitors have been the same in Soviet times, or for disobedient individual people like Khashoggi in countries like Saudi Arabia. (There are people like Khashoggi who fall into trouble with the Saudi authorities, as individuals, not as a class.)

    They don't seem to think about whose permission they have to hold this money or who allows to have this money. Whose money they are also holding informally in postsoviet countries? Who allows you to hold the money that was so central to the state, only recently not formally the state, and still informally not so distant from it?



    But he is basically of Polish-Galician ethnic stock and he is deeply attached to his roots.

    He is and always will be partial.
     
    Lol I don't think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires, too much for the views of AP, from his colonial house in somewhere like New England.

    Peoples like Poles believe nationalism based in the 19th century concept, but in America it's more like immigrants are supporting their favorite sports team, sometimes with a lot of wealth for this "hobby".

    To cultural context AP, I feel it is assimilation of the culture of post-Ellis Island immigrants in the North Eastern states in the US. They support their ethnic origin like a baseball team, as also their religious group. Irish are funding the independence partisans in Ireland, Jews were supporting development in "New Yishuv" in Palestine.

    But from what I understand of my years writing with him, AP is also living in elite area in North East US, where it is normal to boast of your personal prestige. It is a place where there is the strong pressure to climb the social ladder. Maybe he wasn't in an "Ivy", but from his writing it is like he needs ways to match such kind of prestigious neighbors.

    I assume he has become a "real white person", although his family are immigrants from the undeveloped parts of the world and he has political views more of Cuban immigrants in Miami, not so many prestigious virtue signaling of the normal WASPs in Dartmouth or Yale.

    As for AP's way of thinking. America has been a successful country as a colony, so I would not says this cultural context was more maladaptive than our own context. Probably my writing smells bad for him like he is talking to someone who is in the ashheap of history and that I have an unhealthy addiction to rolling on the trash.

    The same goes for Mr Hack, who is a nice person of Ukrainian background and who is rooting for the country of his ancestors
     
    I'm receiving some kind of relaxing atmosphere of sitting next to a cactus tree in Arizona from Mr Hack.

    Perhaps it is due to the very nature of our native language, which is so precise and complex and yet so open to lexical innovation and search for novel meaning?
     
    It's a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Нам внятно всё — и острый галльский смысл,
    И сумрачный германский гений…

    А если нет — нам нечего терять,
    И нам доступно вероломство!
    Века, века вас будет проклинать
    Больное позднее потомство!

     

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily – government.

    Silicon Valley is a wonderfully disguised military industry plantation. Musk, Bezos, Gates et al are on 1st name basis with the biggest criminals in Washington D.C.

    For all practical purposes they are the same as the biggest criminals in Washington D.C. or these guys from Russia that have you tearing your hair out. You don’t have a country?

    Join the club buddy. None of us does.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk, Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    You don’t have a country?

    Join the club buddy. None of us does.
     
    👏👏👏

    Sir, I applaud you so succinctly describing the crux of the matter we are all dealing with in our peculiar and idiosyncratic ways.

    Being myself a disgruntled ethnic nationalist, I see perfectly what you are pointing to.

    It is indeed tragically amusing to see Slav ethnic nationalists killing each other to open a wide boulevard for the Globalist to race on towards their "shining tomorrows".

    (It reminds me of the brave Wendat and Mohawk warriors scalping each other, while the Pale Faced settlers take their most fertile lands and inseminate the cutest of their squaws.)
  114. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily – government.
     
    Silicon Valley is a wonderfully disguised military industry plantation. Musk, Bezos, Gates et al are on 1st name basis with the biggest criminals in Washington D.C.

    For all practical purposes they are the same as the biggest criminals in Washington D.C. or these guys from Russia that have you tearing your hair out. You don't have a country?

    Join the club buddy. None of us does.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    You don’t have a country?

    Join the club buddy. None of us does.

    👏👏👏

    Sir, I applaud you so succinctly describing the crux of the matter we are all dealing with in our peculiar and idiosyncratic ways.

    Being myself a disgruntled ethnic nationalist, I see perfectly what you are pointing to.

    It is indeed tragically amusing to see Slav ethnic nationalists killing each other to open a wide boulevard for the Globalist to race on towards their “shining tomorrows”.

    (It reminds me of the brave Wendat and Mohawk warriors scalping each other, while the Pale Faced settlers take their most fertile lands and inseminate the cutest of their squaws.)

  115. @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal

    Where is the huge and strong Russian military then?

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Ummm as far as I know – Moscow never mobilized there military but has been using the bare minimum. Maybe you missed that’s why they just called for a partial mobilization…. I don’t need declassified documents to understand that. I do know they have had huge military drills in the Far East with about a dozen other nations while this was going on. Now if you ask WHY they did not fully mobilize and treated this lore like a police action – then I have no answer…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal

    Russia managed to get what they say is 50,000 troops into non-tactical formations, and parade a little bit, but it is also unable to live up to its CSTO commitments, garrison Transniestria or Kaliningrad properly, avoid mobilisation and not lose to Ukraine repeatedly.

    Hypothesis 1: the huge, expensively assembled Russian war machine is currently conquering the Arctic, Mars or the Moon.

    Hypothesis 2: Putin and his cronies stole all of your money and delivered a fake and gay armed force.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @showmethereal

    They treated this conflict as a police action because we are still in Messianic Age, and the Messiah is the king of peace. And remember, Putin very well may be Chabad Messiah. Interestingly, the previous Russian war - the Chechen war - had ended before Putin took over Kremlin, at least in the sense of its "war phase". And Syria has not been a war where Russia was a side of conflict; it couldn't make peace or anything.

    Plus, Jewish Messiah is much less than Christian Messiah: it is just a king from Davidic line who rules over the peaceful world, but his judgement, like God's judgement (!), weighs less than judgement of any rabbi. The moment this "special operation" will officially turn into "war", this nominalism of Kabbalah will evaporate together with Putin, who already doesn't seem to be too well.

  116. @Bashibuzuk
    @showmethereal

    Neither West, nor RusFed are credible. Their propaganda mouthpieces should be approached with a healthy dose of skepticism. And we have also to confront their pov against each other and try to find a balance between their biased narratives.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Oh ok. I was just making sure you weren’t saying “Moscow Times” is like some official Russian source.

  117. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's a boring topic without so much complexity. But I'll write a final post about it. Westerners are often writing in this forum about Putin having the war with oligarchs, like these "oligarch people" are the opposing or hijacking class that contrasts with the state power in the postsoviet countries (this is what you can read from the users like AP, Karlin, Sailer, Reinor Tor), while forgetting the source of the money this class are provisionally holding.

    I think these netizens have the model from the American capitalism. They think oligarch is a kind of businessman who has generated money because of inventing a business as Elon Musk, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    Elon Musk could use the money from the entrepreneur's invention (e.g. Paypal and Tesla) to change the public opinion in the elections (buy Twitter). Americans have the fears about Muskian wealth like in "Citizen Kane", where the interests of a businessman is degrading the democracy and the transparency of information access.

    Westerners are worried the public will be tricked by these private businessmen who will influence to elect politicians that support their interests.

    An inverse implication is they believe the possibility of patriotic politicians who can fight against the private businessmen.

    Such kind of patriotic politicians will defend the legal branch of the government against financial interests. A strong politician should fight for the position of the ordinary citizen, so each individual citizen has equal political influence, in contrast to only the "big money" interest that often corrupts American politics. There was some of the unlikely narratives that Q Anon has attached for Donald Trump, like he would fight against the "big money".

    But that is America. In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily - government. A situation with oligarchs in postsoviet countries will be easy to understand for people from Iran or Saudi Arabia, or even most countries in the world.

    A lot more simple in such countries. If you were talking to Saudis, they would understand where the wealth of the oligarchs is in origin, although you might need to add some new vocabulary like "Prince".

    In the postsoviet space not just the laws are from the state, but the main industries are properties of state to recent years. The owning of the former state property are nowadays informally attached to the royal court. Some oligarchs have to work managing parts of court, including in the finances. It's like if you see all the money in the bank and without understanding the bank is holding not only its own money.

    Westerners ask why some of the courts' cashiers are falling from the power and hiring private militaries for their exile security, believing because the politicians might be opposed to businessmen as a general class, not as simply individuals, not remembering dangers for individual traitors have been the same in Soviet times, or for disobedient individual people like Khashoggi in countries like Saudi Arabia. (There are people like Khashoggi who fall into trouble with the Saudi authorities, as individuals, not as a class.)

    They don't seem to think about whose permission they have to hold this money or who allows to have this money. Whose money they are also holding informally in postsoviet countries? Who allows you to hold the money that was so central to the state, only recently not formally the state, and still informally not so distant from it?



    But he is basically of Polish-Galician ethnic stock and he is deeply attached to his roots.

    He is and always will be partial.
     
    Lol I don't think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires, too much for the views of AP, from his colonial house in somewhere like New England.

    Peoples like Poles believe nationalism based in the 19th century concept, but in America it's more like immigrants are supporting their favorite sports team, sometimes with a lot of wealth for this "hobby".

    To cultural context AP, I feel it is assimilation of the culture of post-Ellis Island immigrants in the North Eastern states in the US. They support their ethnic origin like a baseball team, as also their religious group. Irish are funding the independence partisans in Ireland, Jews were supporting development in "New Yishuv" in Palestine.

    But from what I understand of my years writing with him, AP is also living in elite area in North East US, where it is normal to boast of your personal prestige. It is a place where there is the strong pressure to climb the social ladder. Maybe he wasn't in an "Ivy", but from his writing it is like he needs ways to match such kind of prestigious neighbors.

    I assume he has become a "real white person", although his family are immigrants from the undeveloped parts of the world and he has political views more of Cuban immigrants in Miami, not so many prestigious virtue signaling of the normal WASPs in Dartmouth or Yale.

    As for AP's way of thinking. America has been a successful country as a colony, so I would not says this cultural context was more maladaptive than our own context. Probably my writing smells bad for him like he is talking to someone who is in the ashheap of history and that I have an unhealthy addiction to rolling on the trash.

    The same goes for Mr Hack, who is a nice person of Ukrainian background and who is rooting for the country of his ancestors
     
    I'm receiving some kind of relaxing atmosphere of sitting next to a cactus tree in Arizona from Mr Hack.

    Perhaps it is due to the very nature of our native language, which is so precise and complex and yet so open to lexical innovation and search for novel meaning?
     
    It's a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Нам внятно всё — и острый галльский смысл,
    И сумрачный германский гений…

    А если нет — нам нечего терять,
    И нам доступно вероломство!
    Века, века вас будет проклинать
    Больное позднее потомство!

     

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    It’s a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Well, he was named “the mirror of the Russian revolution” for a reason.

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

    I agree that we should do it more and focus less on the unfortunate events unfolding in Ukraine. For many among us it is turning into an obsession for obvious reasons. There is more to life than this.

    Speaking of which:

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk



    It’s a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml
     
    Well, he was named “the mirror of the Russian revolution” for a reason.

     

    Unfortunately, what was written in 1896, became more relevant today. Even with Poles and Armenians.

    I wonder what would be the penal sentence for the 1904 text if published today? http://tolstoy-lit.ru/tolstoy/publicistika/odumajtes.htm

    brave Wendat and Mohawk warriors scalping each other, while the Pale Faced settlers take their most fertile lands and inseminate the cutest of their squaws.)
     
    Well you know after the last 30 years a lot of the places in the postsoviet countries are not too different than the "Indian reservation", with the lack of investment, loss of habitable jobs. There was no need for anyone to invade and scalp.

    But what is fatal for Native Americans, is in the loss of the traditional community and lifestyle. This is happening to everyone in the world, because of negative consequence of technological development and overpopulation. Although there are some cultures like Italians, Japanese, Spanish, which seem like they are more maintaining more continuity of their historical culture into the modern world compared to other nationalities.
    , @Yahya
    @Bashibuzuk


    Speaking of which:
     
    Are you familiar with Turkish Classical Music?

    It's one of my favorite musical genres. Like many other foreign genres, it took me a bit of time to familiarize my ear to Turkish music, which is fairly peculiar given its resemblance to Arabic music. On the other hand, there are some distinct differences between the two despite their similarity on a world scale.

    Both Turkish and Arabic music are based on the maqam/makam system, which can roughly be translated as modes in the Western system. Each maqam is built on a scale, and carries a tradition that defines its habitual phrases, important notes, melodic development and modulation. The Maqam system is distinct however from Western modes in that it only defines the pitches and patterns of a piece of music without outlining the rhythmic component. This allows for the rhythmic improvisation typical of Middle Eastern music.

    Turkish music is different in that they utilize a wider range of maqams (100+) than Arabic music (9-10), and split tones into 9 comas rather than 4, allowing for microtones smaller than quarter tones. Turkish music primarily utilizes the scales derived from the Husseini maqam, whereas Arabic music derives its scales from the Kurdi, Ajam, Nahawand, and Hijaz maqams. In terms of instruments both Turkish and Arabic music make use of the qanun, oud and ney (far more so than Greeks and Iranians), but Turks have the tambur, kemençe and saz which are not typically used by Arabs.

    This is my favorite song Kalamis by Münir Nurettin Selçuk:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxwmsicrT2M&ab_channel=Selim

    It's fairly peculiar in its lack of texture and instrumental minimalism. But it works well since it allows Selçuk's voice to stand out and enhances the connection between the musician and listener. Contrast this with choral music from the Western system, like Palestrina's works for example, whose polyphony is intellectually interesting, but loses the personal touch of monophonic music. Of course this style of music depends greatly on the quality of the singer's voice to carry the melody on his/her own without much aid from the instruments. The female background accompaniment also provides a nice contrast to the male singers low-pitched voice.

    I believe most of the eminent singers of Turkish classical music were male in the 20th century, which is disappointing for me as I prefer the female voice. Fortunately, most of the 21st century performers carrying on the legacy of Turkish classical music are females, and they mostly sing cover versions of older songs, with better orchestration and sound engineering. My favorites being Elif Güreşçi, Mine Gellici, Yaprak Sayar, and Selva Erdener. Though I suppose in the 20th century there was at least a couple of great female singers like Melahet Pars and Saime Sinan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4To4K7EkQ&ab_channel=RECEPGAYRETL%C4%B0

    Sadly younger Turks don't seem much interested in this type of music anymore. The performers I mentioned above barely get 100,000 views on Youtube if they are lucky. Yaprak Sayar has tried to gain a wider audience by combining Turkish classical songs with background jazz instrumentals, but i'm not sure if it can retain its essence and character with Western style instrumentals. But this is the chief predicament Turks have been dealing with since the downfall of the Ottoman Empire.

    Ataturk tried to encourage Turks to take up Western classical music by establishing musical conservatories and sending Turks to study abroad, with some fruits given the "Turkish Five" developed out of these initiatives. But as usual, the vast majority of Turks outside of the secular urban centers did not and still do not want to listen to that stuff. Shortly after Ataturk's government banned traditional Turkish music from being aired on the Turkish airwaves, there were records of Turks calling into radio stations in Egypt and the rest of the Middle East requesting Arabic renditions of Turkish songs they were used to listening to. Eventually in the 1970s a sub-genre called Arabesque developed directly as a consequence of this event because Turks had acquired a taste for Arabic-style melodies.

    Incidentally, I like some of the stuff produced by the "Turkish Five". This is a variation on a famous Istanbul folk song by Cemal Reşit Rey, which should familiar to fans of Rimsky-Korsakov:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8hdxZ4h_e8&list=PLk4jQWJwkElTO7fwOk8m_Ibn-gQ_leGiZ&index=67&t=110s&ab_channel=fahrettinarda

    But still Western classical music composed by Turks doesn't seem to interest anyone either inside or outside of Turkey. Turkish classical music seems to be heading in that direction also, as I mentioned above. I think only Turkish folk music is listened to nowadays, alongside of course the mechanical, localized version of global pop music which can be found anywhere in the world today.

    Arabic classical music has survived better in that regard, people still listen to Umm Kulthum and Sabah Fakhry, though they too will diminish in due time. There were several Arab composers of Western classical music in the 20th century actually, such as Dia Succari, Gamal Abdel-Rehim, Aziz El-Shewan, Youssef Khasho and Solhi Al-Wadi; but likewise very few in the Arab world seem to care much for Western classical music. In Iran the two great classical singers Marzieh and Gholam-Hossein Banan have fallen into neglect, but I suppose are being replaced by instrumentalists such as Hossein Alizadeh and Kayhan Kalhoor.

    The best contemporary practitioner of Arabic-Turkish classical music is a Lebanese lady operating from Montreal, Canada called Lamia Yared. Here you can see her on the oud, playing alongside the talented Turkish qanunist Didem Basar:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94kor58K5k4&ab_channel=Centredesmusiciensdumonde

    Doesn't seem to get much views unfortunately.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  118. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @showmethereal
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ummm as far as I know - Moscow never mobilized there military but has been using the bare minimum. Maybe you missed that’s why they just called for a partial mobilization…. I don’t need declassified documents to understand that. I do know they have had huge military drills in the Far East with about a dozen other nations while this was going on. Now if you ask WHY they did not fully mobilize and treated this lore like a police action - then I have no answer…

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Another Polish Perspective

    Russia managed to get what they say is 50,000 troops into non-tactical formations, and parade a little bit, but it is also unable to live up to its CSTO commitments, garrison Transniestria or Kaliningrad properly, avoid mobilisation and not lose to Ukraine repeatedly.

    Hypothesis 1: the huge, expensively assembled Russian war machine is currently conquering the Arctic, Mars or the Moon.

    Hypothesis 2: Putin and his cronies stole all of your money and delivered a fake and gay armed force.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Huh? Didn’t they go into Kazhasktan and quell the uprising their? Did Armenia ask for CSTO assistance?? And how do you know the condition in Kaliningrad???? Or are you just pulling that from Mars or the Moon???? I personally don’t know and I seriously doubt you do either.
    As to the second hypothesis- I think you watch too many cowboys or Rambo movies. War isn’t like that.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  119. @keypusher
    @showmethereal

    They're quoting a named member of the State Duma talking about a particular general...sounds like a straightforward factual account. Even a biased media source typically won't just make up something like that.

    Anyone read any native Russian media about this?

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Well for one thing I don’t speak the language so I don’t know if it is correct. But one thing I definitely know is context is key. I know nothing about the general nor the actual situation. I personally know of instances where things have been directly quoted but taken hugely out of context or a quote has been used by a disgruntled person to try to prove a narrative when it was never a consensus nor fact. Is that the case here? I admittedly do not know. But I DO know that “Moscow Times” is an anti Putin and pro western publication. It is basically a western publication based in Russia (many go work for the AP or CNN before or after) – so can’t be trusted to be objective.
    Personally I know little about the region. I started reading blogs like this to get educated on the matter. I only started paying attention after the 2014 coup – because I knew that meant the US was attempting a major disruption in the area.
    Now I know a handful of Russians and they are apolitical (and live in the west). So for instance when I came across videos of Mariupol where the people were GLAD to see the Russians and were talking about the treatment they received at the hands of the Ukrainian right wing nationalists – I asked them to tell me if the translations were true. They said it was correct. One literally broke down crying. The issue has been known for years and they were genuinely heartbroken at the gate Russians received (again they live in the west). When I asked what the real mood in Russia they say yes some are against military action – but the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter…. You can’t think I’m making it up – but I’m not. And I trust those people more than I do the media.

    • Agree: Mikhail, AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @showmethereal


    the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter
     
    Absolutely. But they don't understand that Putin and his circle have contributed immensely to this conflict. Russians being what they have always been (a little naive really), think that "the Czar is good, but the Boyars are bad".

    No, they're wrong, this time the Czar and the Boyars are both scum. Russians don't understand that for the last 30 years they have been led to the catastrophe that is currently unfolding.

    It is not incompetence, it is treason. This is something most Russians will never understand and/or accept. That they have been had once again, like some village simpleton would have been led by the tip of his nose by big city crooks.

    Лохи не мамонты - они не вымрут...

    (That’s a Russian mafia saying describing the situation perfectly. Ask your Russian friends for a translation).

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @keypusher
    @showmethereal


    When I asked what the real mood in Russia they say yes some are against military action – but the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter…. You can’t think I’m making it up – but I’m not.
     
    Oh, I believe you. Up until the point that it became clear that the U.S.'s own leadership had decided that the Vietnam war could not be won, there were more Americans saying "we need to nuke Hanoi" than "we need to get out." When the people of a proud nation find themselves losing a war against an enemy they thought was no match for them, the normal reaction is "we're not being ruthless enough." Even if, in reality, the problem is not Russia's/the USA's alleged gentleness, but rather incompetence, lack of motivation, and corruption.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  120. German_reader says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader


    On the other hand, Ukraine’s intelligence services have assassinated pro-Russian collaborators in the occupied territories.
     
    Also in the territories retaken by Ukraine, though that dirty work is often done by the natsbats. In particular, the Diocese of Izyum-Kupansk was regularly posting photos of feast days and episcopal visits to local parishes, until they suddenly stopped doing so three weeks ago. Ukrainian nationalists and schismatics are very angry that Metropolitan Elisey and the priests and parishioners of his diocese blessed the new civil administration. Probably the metropolitan and many of the priests are dead or imprisoned.

    https://risu.ua/mitropolit-upc-mp-z-izyumu-blagoslovlyaye-kolaborantiv-a-svyashchenik-v-hersoni-propoviduye-yednist-z-zagarbnikami_n131275

    None of this is unusual by historical standards (brutal repression of civilian populations was carried out by all sides in World War II), but ultimately, it's an unconscionable failure on the part of Moscow to tell the people of Izyum region that they were there to stay, only to evacuate without a fight.

    Go big or go home.

    Replies: @German_reader

    None of this is unusual by historical standards (brutal repression of civilian populations was carried out by all sides in World War II), but ultimately, it’s an unconscionable failure on the part of Moscow to tell the people of Izyum region that they were there to stay, only to evacuate without a fight.

    Russia’s performance in this war has been utterly embarassing. Putin shouldn’t have taken this gamble, there’s now a real risk that Russia will be permanently reduced and cease to have any credible claims to great power status. The alternatives are eking out some kind of win through massive bloodshed or all of us getting vaporized in a nuclear war.
    I can’t comment on your claims about repression in the areas re-taken by Ukraine. But possibly there’s at least some truth to them. One more reason why I resent the foolish Westerners with their retarded dog avatars on Twitter and their Slava Ukraini nonsense. It’s never a good idea to identify yourself completely with a foreign cause on which you have only limited influence at best.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader

    Concerning performance in the war, it's mostly a question of manpower. Kill ratios seem to have highly favor Russia, based on confirmed numbers of casualties from either side and relative artillery tonnage. However, artillery superiority only buys you so much. At the end of the day, you need men who can stand their ground, which was sorely lacking in Kharkovskaya oblast.

    There are various hypotheses about why Putlet has been so reluctant to mobilize, or even to just send in the men he already had, ranging from "he fears an animated patriotic populace more than losing the war" to "he's a total retard". From what I can tell, the muzhiki are ready to rumble, so it's now a question of political will.

  121. Bashibuzuk says:
    @showmethereal
    @keypusher

    Well for one thing I don’t speak the language so I don’t know if it is correct. But one thing I definitely know is context is key. I know nothing about the general nor the actual situation. I personally know of instances where things have been directly quoted but taken hugely out of context or a quote has been used by a disgruntled person to try to prove a narrative when it was never a consensus nor fact. Is that the case here? I admittedly do not know. But I DO know that “Moscow Times” is an anti Putin and pro western publication. It is basically a western publication based in Russia (many go work for the AP or CNN before or after) - so can’t be trusted to be objective.
    Personally I know little about the region. I started reading blogs like this to get educated on the matter. I only started paying attention after the 2014 coup - because I knew that meant the US was attempting a major disruption in the area.
    Now I know a handful of Russians and they are apolitical (and live in the west). So for instance when I came across videos of Mariupol where the people were GLAD to see the Russians and were talking about the treatment they received at the hands of the Ukrainian right wing nationalists - I asked them to tell me if the translations were true. They said it was correct. One literally broke down crying. The issue has been known for years and they were genuinely heartbroken at the gate Russians received (again they live in the west). When I asked what the real mood in Russia they say yes some are against military action - but the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter…. You can’t think I’m making it up - but I’m not. And I trust those people more than I do the media.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @keypusher

    the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter

    Absolutely. But they don’t understand that Putin and his circle have contributed immensely to this conflict. Russians being what they have always been (a little naive really), think that “the Czar is good, but the Boyars are bad”.

    No, they’re wrong, this time the Czar and the Boyars are both scum. Russians don’t understand that for the last 30 years they have been led to the catastrophe that is currently unfolding.

    It is not incompetence, it is treason. This is something most Russians will never understand and/or accept. That they have been had once again, like some village simpleton would have been led by the tip of his nose by big city crooks.

    Лохи не мамонты – они не вымрут…

    (That’s a Russian mafia saying describing the situation perfectly. Ask your Russian friends for a translation).

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Bashibuzuk

    Explain to me what you mean? It was Putin who caused the coup in 2014? It was Putin who gave ultra nationalists and banned Russian language and culture in Donbass? It was Putin who kept expanding NATO closer and closer?
    If you are referring to internal Russian issues then I have no comment because I have very little knowledge. You might be correct if that’s what you mean. But I certainly understand geopolitical issues and know the west hates Putin because he is the opposite of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. NATO will seek to crush anyone who does not bow to their agenda. So unless you are saying Putin should have bowed - then I do not understand what you mean.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  122. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    What do we do next? What happens after the Ukrainian victory?

    Arestovych spoke very candidly about this the other day. The idea is to establish a Kyiv centric order out of which the former Russian Realm will be organized, administered, led.

    Russia's atrocities in places such as Bucha and the attempt to threaten the Ukrainian statehood have forced the Ukrainian side to think in new, more pro-active terms and start working on potentially projecting force into neighboring areas in the former post-Soviet space, including what is currently known as the Russian Federation. To implement a gigantic program of reformatting.

    The idea of de-nuclearization of the Russian Federation is floated. In the future, the de-nuclearization should be tied to the promise of removal of sanctions. Whether this can happen, is a big question, but it looks like they're going to put it on the table.

    One could treat this as humor or some strange political fiction, if it wasn't for the fact that Arestovych, who has made correct predictions in the past, is quite close to the presidential administration.

    Tremendous work and resources will be required. This is a chance for the EE nationalists to put their foot in the door and fight for their ideas to be heard and ideally implemented at least on some scale.

    I know this past week was intense and I'm not posting this to add fuel to the fire, but to demonstrate what incredible, almost fantastical conversations are now taking place in Ukraine.

    "We are the biggest donor of security in the post-Russian space," Arestovych. "We will be writing the rules."

    In Russian, starts at 1:14:00

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQVOxpT4vag

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Bashibuzuk, @German_reader

    The idea is to establish a Kyiv centric order out of which the former Russian Realm will be organized

    These ideas are delusional. If Ukraine ever tries to implement something of the sort, all Western aid must be ended immediately. The deal was help preserve Ukraine its independence, not some megalomaniac project about “reformating” the “Russian Realm” (sounds a lot like “Russian World” actually).

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @German_reader

    You are correct in your assessment. I suggest you have a look at the following article to see where this "megalomaniac project" comes from.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    The late Big Zbig actually even floated the idea of making Kiev the capital of the new and upgraded Eurasia under US patronage. I mean Kiev is strictly geographically speaking close to the center of Europe (yeah, I know it doesn't seem that way) and is also close to his beloved Poland, on top on being anti-Moscovite to the bone.

    What's not to like?

    (If you have found it a little bit annoying being dictated from Brussels and Strasbourg, imagine being dictated from Warsaw and Kiev instead. Perhaps a nuclear holocaust is a better option after all...)

    🙂

    , @LatW
    @German_reader


    some megalomaniac project about “reformating” the “Russian Realm” (sounds a lot like “Russian World” actually).
     
    I borrowed that from Bashibuzuk - he introduced "Russian Realm", it sounds more magical and appealing.
    Now it should be renamed the Rus Realm, actually. Or maybe something entirely new.

    The old Russian world is slowly receding. Something has to fill out the space and it will be Ukraine and friends. Mind you, that this is not even a fully accurate term, because Arestovych talks about working with countries such as Georgia and Moldova which are not even "Russian". The so called post-Soviet world doesn't exist anymore.


    The deal was help preserve Ukraine its independence
     
    Right, but wars of aggression like this one that Russia chose, can often get out of control. The Laws of Nature come into play.
  123. @Keypusher
    @Thorfinnsson

    Am I right to think that the aid would only cover Biden’s designations of military equipment to be sent to Ukraine? Other types of aid would require new appropriations?

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

    Yes, you are right, and major US financial assistance to the Ukraine has come from Congressional appropriations.

    That said the executive branch has some means to provide financial assistance without Congress. In August billions of funds from the World Bank were sent to the Ukraine, for instance. The Federal Reserve and various executive agencies like the Export-Import Bank can also provide assistance without Congressional appropriations.

    What will happen going forward is that military assistance from the Ukraine will take less the form of transferring existing stocks of weapon and more that the Ukraine will order weapons directly from Western (mainly US) arms manufacturers. While the incoming Republican Congress may not authorize large financial appropriations to the Ukraine (I won’t hold my breath), the executive branch has some other ways to finance Ukrainian arms purchases and of course there are all the other Western backers of the Ukraine.

    How this will look in practice is that the Ukrainian MoD will order GMLRS rockets for their HIMARS, the Biden administration will approve the sale and the export credit (on very generous terms), and Europeans will provide the cash to pay Lockheed Martin.

    • Thanks: keypusher
  124. @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's a boring topic without so much complexity. But I'll write a final post about it. Westerners are often writing in this forum about Putin having the war with oligarchs, like these "oligarch people" are the opposing or hijacking class that contrasts with the state power in the postsoviet countries (this is what you can read from the users like AP, Karlin, Sailer, Reinor Tor), while forgetting the source of the money this class are provisionally holding.

    I think these netizens have the model from the American capitalism. They think oligarch is a kind of businessman who has generated money because of inventing a business as Elon Musk, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    Elon Musk could use the money from the entrepreneur's invention (e.g. Paypal and Tesla) to change the public opinion in the elections (buy Twitter). Americans have the fears about Muskian wealth like in "Citizen Kane", where the interests of a businessman is degrading the democracy and the transparency of information access.

    Westerners are worried the public will be tricked by these private businessmen who will influence to elect politicians that support their interests.

    An inverse implication is they believe the possibility of patriotic politicians who can fight against the private businessmen.

    Such kind of patriotic politicians will defend the legal branch of the government against financial interests. A strong politician should fight for the position of the ordinary citizen, so each individual citizen has equal political influence, in contrast to only the "big money" interest that often corrupts American politics. There was some of the unlikely narratives that Q Anon has attached for Donald Trump, like he would fight against the "big money".

    But that is America. In many countries wealth is not something outside government, but the source of the big money is primarily - government. A situation with oligarchs in postsoviet countries will be easy to understand for people from Iran or Saudi Arabia, or even most countries in the world.

    A lot more simple in such countries. If you were talking to Saudis, they would understand where the wealth of the oligarchs is in origin, although you might need to add some new vocabulary like "Prince".

    In the postsoviet space not just the laws are from the state, but the main industries are properties of state to recent years. The owning of the former state property are nowadays informally attached to the royal court. Some oligarchs have to work managing parts of court, including in the finances. It's like if you see all the money in the bank and without understanding the bank is holding not only its own money.

    Westerners ask why some of the courts' cashiers are falling from the power and hiring private militaries for their exile security, believing because the politicians might be opposed to businessmen as a general class, not as simply individuals, not remembering dangers for individual traitors have been the same in Soviet times, or for disobedient individual people like Khashoggi in countries like Saudi Arabia. (There are people like Khashoggi who fall into trouble with the Saudi authorities, as individuals, not as a class.)

    They don't seem to think about whose permission they have to hold this money or who allows to have this money. Whose money they are also holding informally in postsoviet countries? Who allows you to hold the money that was so central to the state, only recently not formally the state, and still informally not so distant from it?



    But he is basically of Polish-Galician ethnic stock and he is deeply attached to his roots.

    He is and always will be partial.
     
    Lol I don't think we can blame Poles and their nationalism based in the self-determination of peoples against the oppression of the empires, too much for the views of AP, from his colonial house in somewhere like New England.

    Peoples like Poles believe nationalism based in the 19th century concept, but in America it's more like immigrants are supporting their favorite sports team, sometimes with a lot of wealth for this "hobby".

    To cultural context AP, I feel it is assimilation of the culture of post-Ellis Island immigrants in the North Eastern states in the US. They support their ethnic origin like a baseball team, as also their religious group. Irish are funding the independence partisans in Ireland, Jews were supporting development in "New Yishuv" in Palestine.

    But from what I understand of my years writing with him, AP is also living in elite area in North East US, where it is normal to boast of your personal prestige. It is a place where there is the strong pressure to climb the social ladder. Maybe he wasn't in an "Ivy", but from his writing it is like he needs ways to match such kind of prestigious neighbors.

    I assume he has become a "real white person", although his family are immigrants from the undeveloped parts of the world and he has political views more of Cuban immigrants in Miami, not so many prestigious virtue signaling of the normal WASPs in Dartmouth or Yale.

    As for AP's way of thinking. America has been a successful country as a colony, so I would not says this cultural context was more maladaptive than our own context. Probably my writing smells bad for him like he is talking to someone who is in the ashheap of history and that I have an unhealthy addiction to rolling on the trash.

    The same goes for Mr Hack, who is a nice person of Ukrainian background and who is rooting for the country of his ancestors
     
    I'm receiving some kind of relaxing atmosphere of sitting next to a cactus tree in Arizona from Mr Hack.

    Perhaps it is due to the very nature of our native language, which is so precise and complex and yet so open to lexical innovation and search for novel meaning?
     
    It's a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Нам внятно всё — и острый галльский смысл,
    И сумрачный германский гений…

    А если нет — нам нечего терять,
    И нам доступно вероломство!
    Века, века вас будет проклинать
    Больное позднее потомство!

     

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    You’re correct in noting that I’ve taken a more laid back view of commenting here than usual, but I’m not laying underneath a saguaro tree trying to find some shade, it’s that I’ve come down with what we used to call a “cold”. A terrible frog has found a home in my throat, and I’m dousing it every few hours with a quarter vile of oregano/olive oil (wonderful stuff that I wholeheartedly recommend for this sort of thing). It’s nice to be noticed by somebody of your stature here at this blog. Perhaps, you more than anybody else, has actively pursued keeping this blog a viable concern.

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum

    Indeed. You and I went on and on once about the bus and rail systems of several cities in the world (photos and all). Well, the Phoenix Light rail system has continued to grow, you’ll be happy to know.

    And there was our discussions comparing a Mozart vs a Beethoven piano concertos. I thought that I held up pretty well to your obviously more sophisticated approach to the subject.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    My personal remedy for colds is a big pile of freshly grated ginger (1+ cup maybe?) along with a couple black tea bags in a quart or so of water.
    The resulting tea will be too strong to drink straight and will need to sweetened generously with honey. It'll put the piss and vinegar back in a man!

    It's the best remedy I have found though I haven't tried the olive oil and oregano.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  125. @216
    JDAM is cheap, but the GPS constellation is not. Presumably the limited Russian budget led to concerns that NATO would shoot all the GLONASS satellites down during a war, making a JDAM copy useless.

    Instead they chose the hypersonic missile, which US doesn't have yet, but when it does, it will be better. The kinzhal appears designed for use against naval targets, and secondarily as a way to preserve the Foxhound rice bowl.

    The name "Fullback", to those not familiar with American football, is used as a blocking position so that the "Halfback" can run the football down the field. From a Western perspective, the plane is aptly named, but Russia isn't using the plane properly.

    An EF-111 copy has little interest to export customers, save China, which hasn't bought the plane. The Fullback has only one named customer, Algeria, which is little more than a petrodictatorship which wants trophies that won't actually be used.

    ---

    The AK-12 is this in small form. Captured rifles haven't been issued with rail mounted optics, which is the only real advantage it has over the AK-74. Western reviews of the AK-12 have been negative, while reviews of the more expensive A-545 have been rather positive.

    Russian optics haven't been embargoed for export to the West, by either RF or the US. Nor has there been any major order of Holosun optics from China which would make those AK-12s useful.

    But meanwhile in the US, our new XM5 rifle has the most powerful round ever issued to an infantry rifle, which can destroy any type of body armor in existence. But with only a slight increase in weight, its combination suppressor/muzzle break means that it does not recoil much harder than the M4 (which by virtue of weight/barrel does recoil harder than the M16).

    And that's before we mention the classified superscope, which will turn every infantryman into a sniper, and possibly have anti-drone capabilities as the technology develops.

    It's horribly expensive, and will irritate NATO partners having to buy a proprietary gun and ammo all over again.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    I wonder where do these trolls get all this drivel from?

    The limited Russian budget led to concerns that NATO would shoot all the GLONASS satellites down.

    No one can shoot them down – these satellites are on the high orbit (500-700 km).

    They chose the hypersonic missile, which US doesn’t have yet, but when it does, it will be better.

    Of course – much better! Meanwhile the Russians have two models of these and are working on another one.

    From a Western perspective, the plane is aptly named [Fullback], but Russia isn’t using the plane properly.

    Fullback is the NATO reporting name for the Sukhoi Su-34. It is a 4th generation plane analogous to the American F-15E. What is the point of discussing it?

    Captured [AK-12] rifles haven’t been issued with rail mounted optics, which is the only real advantage it has over the AK-74.

    If it was captured without optics that means the optics were in fact stolen. These AK are issued with a collimator sight.

    Apart from the rail it is better than the AK-74 in that it has a free-floated barrel and improved ergonomics, a better rear iron sight and as a result longer effective range.

    Western reviews of the AK-12 have been negative, while reviews of the more expensive A-545 have been rather positive.

    These reviews are not based on experience. Both of these rifles are not available in the West.

    However the A-545 (now called the KORD 6P67 or 6P68) is a better rifle indeed. It features the balanced recoil design (BARS) which is unique. These rifles have no recoil whatsoever!

    And besides these look good.

    Meanwhile in the US, our new XM5 rifle has the most powerful round ever issued to an infantry rifle, which can destroy any type of body armor in existence.

    The round – 6.8×51 mm SIG (or .277 SIG Fury) – is the same as 7.62×51 mm NATO (or .308 Winchester). The rifle is nothing special if we disregard its ugliness. It is for sure the ugliest rifle ever made.

    As for the round it has been done before and is being done now – in particular the Belgian FAL and more recent SCAR-H rifles are chambered in 7.62×51 mm.

    Due to higher pressure the barrels wear out faster, due to stronger recoil automatic fire is hard to handle. And of course it does not destroy any type of body armor.

    Its combination suppressor/muzzle break means that it does not recoil much harder than the M4.

    It does recoil much harder than the AK-12 or the AK-15, and for sure a lot harder than KORD which does not recoil at all.

    The device pictured here is not a combination of suppressor/muzzle break but a regular sound suppressor. That means we can add another $1000 to the cost of the rifle if it is planned to be issued as that.

    And that’s before we mention the classified superscope, which will turn every infantryman into a sniper, and possibly have anti-drone capabilities.

    The most moronic comment of the week. You have won.

    It’s horribly expensive, and will irritate NATO partners having to buy a proprietary gun and ammo all over again.

    The NATO partners are not going to purchase it and in fact the U.S. is planning to get some 100 thousand of these for their close combat forces.

    Now please stop posting such nonsense.

    • Replies: @216
    @Here Be Dragon


    No one can shoot them down – these satellites are on the high orbit (500-700 km).

     

    Just watch me

    If it was captured without optics that means the optics were in fact stolen. These AK are issued with a collimator sight.

     

    It is possible that rifles were rushed from the factory to the front without optics being mounted. It is also possible that the optics were embezzled, or that they were poached by Ukrainians.

    The device pictured here is not a combination of suppressor/muzzle break but a regular sound suppressor. That means we can add another $1000 to the cost of the rifle if it is planned to be issued as that.

     

    That suppressor uses cutting-edge 3d printing technology to significantly reduce the gas flowing back on the shooter's face, which also provides recoil reduction. It is unlike any other suppressor used.

    The superscope is very much real, and the minute it sees combat it will be a revelation akin to the conical bullet in the 19th century.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  126. @showmethereal
    @keypusher

    Well for one thing I don’t speak the language so I don’t know if it is correct. But one thing I definitely know is context is key. I know nothing about the general nor the actual situation. I personally know of instances where things have been directly quoted but taken hugely out of context or a quote has been used by a disgruntled person to try to prove a narrative when it was never a consensus nor fact. Is that the case here? I admittedly do not know. But I DO know that “Moscow Times” is an anti Putin and pro western publication. It is basically a western publication based in Russia (many go work for the AP or CNN before or after) - so can’t be trusted to be objective.
    Personally I know little about the region. I started reading blogs like this to get educated on the matter. I only started paying attention after the 2014 coup - because I knew that meant the US was attempting a major disruption in the area.
    Now I know a handful of Russians and they are apolitical (and live in the west). So for instance when I came across videos of Mariupol where the people were GLAD to see the Russians and were talking about the treatment they received at the hands of the Ukrainian right wing nationalists - I asked them to tell me if the translations were true. They said it was correct. One literally broke down crying. The issue has been known for years and they were genuinely heartbroken at the gate Russians received (again they live in the west). When I asked what the real mood in Russia they say yes some are against military action - but the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter…. You can’t think I’m making it up - but I’m not. And I trust those people more than I do the media.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @keypusher

    When I asked what the real mood in Russia they say yes some are against military action – but the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter…. You can’t think I’m making it up – but I’m not.

    Oh, I believe you. Up until the point that it became clear that the U.S.’s own leadership had decided that the Vietnam war could not be won, there were more Americans saying “we need to nuke Hanoi” than “we need to get out.” When the people of a proud nation find themselves losing a war against an enemy they thought was no match for them, the normal reaction is “we’re not being ruthless enough.” Even if, in reality, the problem is not Russia’s/the USA’s alleged gentleness, but rather incompetence, lack of motivation, and corruption.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @keypusher

    Comparisons to the Vietnam war are nonsense. Russia is fighting at its front door with a basically token force up to this point. Why they never declared all out war I don’t know. Maybe it’s because they really never wanted to take over the whole Ukraine (in 3 days nonetheless) that the western media says. I recall Putins speech on the first day. Removing Nazis from Donbass and making Donbass safe for the ethnic Russians there is well on its way. The other objective he said was to remove the war making capability of Ukraine. He actually did that — except NATO is arming Ukraine - which maybe they didn’t anticipate. If come next February Russia is pushed out of Donbass- then what you are saying makes sense. But as of now - they have done what THEY said as opposed to what WESTERN MEDIA AND NATO said. This is not even Afghanistan when the INVITED Soviet Army eventually got pushed out by the same tribalists who just pushed out the “almighty USA” a year ago. The people of Donbass WANT to be part of Russia. I Can recall clearly when Crimea was glad to go back to Russia that Dobass requested the same thing and Putin said no. I recall clearly Russia offering passports and citizenship to any who wanted to leave to move to Russia. I recall many did but many others said they didn’t want to leave where their families had been for generations. I recall they then declared their independence- which Russia did NOT recognize. I recall Minsk and know that was a game and Ukraine would not be allowed by the west to keep the agreement. I recall Donbass people asking for years for Russian assistance militarily. To compare Donbass to Vietnam is complete nonsense. Russia has never said it wanted regime change or any other nonsense in Ukraine and they are not a half a world away or fighting religious tribalists who don’t want them there. Go watch independent videos of Mariupol… the same place the west claimed was a humanitarian disaster is almost back to normal now.

  127. Bashibuzuk says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    The idea is to establish a Kyiv centric order out of which the former Russian Realm will be organized
     
    These ideas are delusional. If Ukraine ever tries to implement something of the sort, all Western aid must be ended immediately. The deal was help preserve Ukraine its independence, not some megalomaniac project about "reformating" the "Russian Realm" (sounds a lot like "Russian World" actually).

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @LatW

    You are correct in your assessment. I suggest you have a look at the following article to see where this “megalomaniac project” comes from.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    The late Big Zbig actually even floated the idea of making Kiev the capital of the new and upgraded Eurasia under US patronage. I mean Kiev is strictly geographically speaking close to the center of Europe (yeah, I know it doesn’t seem that way) and is also close to his beloved Poland, on top on being anti-Moscovite to the bone.

    What’s not to like?

    (If you have found it a little bit annoying being dictated from Brussels and Strasbourg, imagine being dictated from Warsaw and Kiev instead. Perhaps a nuclear holocaust is a better option after all…)

    🙂

  128. Francis Fukuyama already thinking about Crimea:

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    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    tbh, very bad sign for implementing IRL the UA final official goal of taking back Crimea;)

    Replies: @German_reader

  129. @German_reader
    Francis Fukuyama already thinking about Crimea:

    https://twitter.com/FukuyamaFrancis/status/1576814943197724675?cxt=HHwWhoCg3cS1_OErAAAA

    Replies: @sudden death

    tbh, very bad sign for implementing IRL the UA final official goal of taking back Crimea;)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    It's still a disastrous idea to encourage Ukrainian designs on Crimea. If they have no chance of succeeding, it will just end in a pointless, failed offensive with many casualties, if they do succeed, Russia won't just watch while Russians flee or are expelled from what is seen as historic Russian land by probably the vast majority of Russians. It's probably the scenario where use of nuclear weapons becomes most likely.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Thorfinnsson

  130. @German_reader
    @LatW


    The idea is to establish a Kyiv centric order out of which the former Russian Realm will be organized
     
    These ideas are delusional. If Ukraine ever tries to implement something of the sort, all Western aid must be ended immediately. The deal was help preserve Ukraine its independence, not some megalomaniac project about "reformating" the "Russian Realm" (sounds a lot like "Russian World" actually).

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @LatW

    some megalomaniac project about “reformating” the “Russian Realm” (sounds a lot like “Russian World” actually).

    I borrowed that from Bashibuzuk – he introduced “Russian Realm”, it sounds more magical and appealing.
    Now it should be renamed the Rus Realm, actually. Or maybe something entirely new.

    The old Russian world is slowly receding. Something has to fill out the space and it will be Ukraine and friends. Mind you, that this is not even a fully accurate term, because Arestovych talks about working with countries such as Georgia and Moldova which are not even “Russian”. The so called post-Soviet world doesn’t exist anymore.

    The deal was help preserve Ukraine its independence

    Right, but wars of aggression like this one that Russia chose, can often get out of control. The Laws of Nature come into play.

  131. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    tbh, very bad sign for implementing IRL the UA final official goal of taking back Crimea;)

    Replies: @German_reader

    It’s still a disastrous idea to encourage Ukrainian designs on Crimea. If they have no chance of succeeding, it will just end in a pointless, failed offensive with many casualties, if they do succeed, Russia won’t just watch while Russians flee or are expelled from what is seen as historic Russian land by probably the vast majority of Russians. It’s probably the scenario where use of nuclear weapons becomes most likely.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    imho, we are quite far from this point on a military perspective to worry about it atm, UA will have its combat hands more than tired from lifting the current adventures back into Kherson or Lugansk oblasts, even in case of finishing it succesfully.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Thorfinnsson
    @German_reader

    The Ukrainians have agency on their own, and in any case few countries recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea. Maybe the US can say it will refuse to transfer arms to the Ukraine if it invades the peninsula, but this strikes me as unlikely. An apparently victorious, advancing Ukrainian Army will acquire more support, and the Biden regime would be unlikely to refuse military assistance on these grounds lest it be denounced for weakness and stabbing the Ukraine in the back.

    From the Ukrainian point of view, this may be a moment akin to the 1918 Spring Offensive by the German Army on the Western Front. They now have superiority at the front, but the superiority will start to vanish next month as Russia mobilizes its superior resources. Thus it makes quite a lot of sense to throw everything into the battle right now in order to try and achieve a decision in the field.

    Indeed, it appears that this is exactly what they're doing. Ukrainian forces are advancing as far as they can, and according to the Kiev Independent the country has stop-lossed its whole army while delaying the intake of the next class of conscripts.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

  132. @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW

    Well, that would follow the late Brzezinsky's thought of "Rebuilding the West to balance the East". It would also follow into the past Papacy exhortations to Ruthenians in the seventeenth century to "carry the Light east". Ukraine as an anti-Russia, being used as a focal point of assembly of ancient Rus lands in a manner that would be more aligned with the Globalized West.

    Arestovitch being a smart man probably understands this and he understands more than anyone what the Ukrainian projet is all about: a younger and more energetic mafia clan replacing the elders who have grown complacent and too hedonistic. He is part and parcel of these "young hounds" who have chased the "old boars" from power in Kiev. Now he wants to be among those who replace them in Moscow too. That is why he has already spoken in favor of keeping the Russian language and culture alive in Ukraine. To ease the integration of the Moscovites into the new Globalist Emporium managed by the Kiev Khazaro-Varangians (pun intended).

    That might work or that might end up in a nuclear war. I can see his gamble, but for me it is a too dangerous one.

    (And they really ought to rename themselves Kievan Rus, that would sweeten the pill a little... 😁)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW

    Ukraine as an anti-Russia

    Well, Russia, too, chose to not be amicable and not work with her problems. 30 years was very long, we are tired. We want to live.

    He is part and parcel of these “young hounds” who have chased the “old boars” from power in Kiev.

    You know, at least he’s younger and brings in some fresh ideas and a more modern demeanor. It’s about time.

    [MORE]

    Now he wants to be among those who replace them in Moscow too. That is why he has already spoken in favor of keeping the Russian language and culture alive in Ukraine.

    I sense he did have this on his mind for a while, but only started speaking about it openly now (after Lyman, etc). But I had no idea he wants to go that far. The only question for me is if he can. This is all still very hypothetical.

    Him being in favor of retaining the Russian language initially was because he believes Ukraine should integrate Russianness since it would make Ukraine stronger (according to his logic). In the light of what he said yesterday, the Russian language will now be instrumental (this is the language that the friends of Ukraine to the East use). The Ukrainians will learn English, too, gradually.

    To ease the integration of the Moscovites into the new Globalist Emporium managed by the Kiev Khazaro-Varangians (pun intended).

    I know this is how it looks to you as you are attached to these ideas. And I appreciate that. But from Ukraine’s point of view, given what happened that there was a barbaric attempt to erase Ukraine (which is still ongoing), Ukraine has to do what it takes for her own security (and security of others). As I said, when you initiate such big events, when you feel entitled to spin the wheel of Destiny, as Putin did, things will go out of your control and now everything that was kept inside for 30 years is coming out and falling into place. The Thundercross is spinning fast now.

    That might work or that might end up in a nuclear war. I can see his gamble, but for me it is a too dangerous one.

    I’m just putting it out here for you because this is new, such bold ideas were not floated yet before. I wouldn’t consider it noteworthy if he weren’t as close to the administration and so popular. He literally said “administer the realm” (speaking of parts of Russia from what I assumed, maybe he didn’t mean literally, physically being there, and just dealing with whatever comes out of the current Russia in the next few years or maybe just dealing with places like Georgia and Moldova, remember that Georgia is now 10% Russian due to the recent influx and he wants to help Georgia handle it). Not sure it’s possible to pull off, the human resources and work required for this is vast.

    And they really ought to rename themselves Kievan Rus, that would sweeten the pill a little… 😁

    Arestovych was going around a while back trying to rename Ukraine “Rus-Ukraina”. This has been on his mind (even if may not gain traction). It’s not like they don’t know what this is. And it’s not like they don’t know who they are.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW

    LatW, you know that I am no fan of Putin, but to be honest, the "project" that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.

    It was talked about already by some Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists during the late 1920ies. And it goes all the way back to the fight between Muscovy and Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the Commonwealth nearly ended up conquering Muscovy. The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.

    The Catholic/Uniate Ruthenian/Ukrainian elites have since often seen Muscovy as inherently backward and in deep need of reform and (ahem) administration (colonization really). The Papacy encouraged them in that view even publishing official proclamation to that effect.

    And more recently, the US and NATO has used this ideological superiority/victimhood complex of the Ukrainian elites to prepare them to fight against "Mordor" and its "orcs". Among the Western pundits who have worked in this sense was the late Brzezinski. He wrote on the subject and he knew the case quite well given his Polish ancestry and his early years in Kharkov and Moscow (IIRC his dad was among the Polish diplomatic personnel in these lands).

    His article written in 2011 and published in early 2012 (well before the Maidan) suggests reorganizing the Eurasian landmass under US patronage to stand against the Chinese rise up. And he floats the idea that Kiev might one day become the capital city of this federated Eurasia.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    So there is nothing new or revolutionary about Arestovitch's ideas.

    Same old, same old.

    They really think that they can reorganize to their benefit the Rus Realm (I think we have got here to a nice description for these lands in our collaborative effort both you and I). But they should ask how it worked for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, because that is how it will most probably look like in former RusFed territories once it crumbles. It will be as crazy as in 1918-1922, except that this time there would be more sophisticated weapons (including nuclear) around and lots of dirty industries ready to poison everything around for decades.

    That would be quite entertaining to observe from afar...

    🙂

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  133. @216
    @Bashibuzuk


    Perhaps Slavs should have kept to their roots and honored the Gods of their forefathers instead of fighting and quarreling due to the influence of conflicting sects of an exotic cult vying for a dominant role in that geographic area.
     
    Europe is the Faith, and the Faith is Europe.

    You are not permitted to disagree with this statement.

    Before the light of Christ, the people were nothing but filthy barbarians. After, they became great conquerors. Deprived of Christ, they became nothing but filth degenerates all over again.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Bashibuzuk, @showmethereal

    Greeks and Romans went to conquer others and were not Christians. And being a conquerer is against the words of Christ. So how does that make sense? That’s a false religion papered over a Greco Roman base. No conquering until He returns as a lion and if you read – he won’t be returning to Rome or anywhere in Europe. It says what mountain

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @showmethereal

    Maybe he has been reading Evola and he thinks the Holy Roman Empire was like Shangri La + El Dorado.

    There is a great book on the Germanizing of Christianity on the bottom of one of my book stacks where they describe heathen martial values overwhelming the docile monk society after Charlemagne conquered Saxony.

    The British soldiers who dug all those mass graves in my cartoon map up-thread were good Christians. : (

  134. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    It's still a disastrous idea to encourage Ukrainian designs on Crimea. If they have no chance of succeeding, it will just end in a pointless, failed offensive with many casualties, if they do succeed, Russia won't just watch while Russians flee or are expelled from what is seen as historic Russian land by probably the vast majority of Russians. It's probably the scenario where use of nuclear weapons becomes most likely.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Thorfinnsson

    imho, we are quite far from this point on a military perspective to worry about it atm, UA will have its combat hands more than tired from lifting the current adventures back into Kherson or Lugansk oblasts, even in case of finishing it succesfully.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's probably true enough. If things go badly and Russia manages to effectively use its mobilized troops there might even be major reverses for Ukraine this winter/next year again (though I really hope Russia won't still somehow manage to take Odessa or Kharkiv, as some Russian chauvinists or they sympathizers still seem to hope for).
    But I can't say I have a positive view of all this maximalist talk about re-taking Crimea (or even "demilitarizing" and possibly dismantling Russia herself). It's at best silly, but could be dangerous if it becomes the basis for policy.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  135. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    It's still a disastrous idea to encourage Ukrainian designs on Crimea. If they have no chance of succeeding, it will just end in a pointless, failed offensive with many casualties, if they do succeed, Russia won't just watch while Russians flee or are expelled from what is seen as historic Russian land by probably the vast majority of Russians. It's probably the scenario where use of nuclear weapons becomes most likely.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Thorfinnsson

    The Ukrainians have agency on their own, and in any case few countries recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea. Maybe the US can say it will refuse to transfer arms to the Ukraine if it invades the peninsula, but this strikes me as unlikely. An apparently victorious, advancing Ukrainian Army will acquire more support, and the Biden regime would be unlikely to refuse military assistance on these grounds lest it be denounced for weakness and stabbing the Ukraine in the back.

    From the Ukrainian point of view, this may be a moment akin to the 1918 Spring Offensive by the German Army on the Western Front. They now have superiority at the front, but the superiority will start to vanish next month as Russia mobilizes its superior resources. Thus it makes quite a lot of sense to throw everything into the battle right now in order to try and achieve a decision in the field.

    Indeed, it appears that this is exactly what they’re doing. Ukrainian forces are advancing as far as they can, and according to the Kiev Independent the country has stop-lossed its whole army while delaying the intake of the next class of conscripts.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thorfinnsson


    Maybe the US can say it will refuse to transfer arms to the Ukraine if it invades the peninsula, but this strikes me as unlikely.
     
    That's what they'd have to do if such a scenario ever becomes likely. Client states can't be given unconditional support if their maximalist aims endanger vital interests of their sponsors (though there are of course plenty of people in the US foreign policy establishment who think that trying to expel Russia from Crimea is in US interests).
    But yes, the problem is that much of the public in Western countries, at least the human garbage that populates social media, has become completely retarded in their Manichaean war hysteria, egged on by Ukraine's skilful propaganda campaign, and this will influence policy-makers.

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson, @keypusher

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Thorfinnsson


    They now have superiority at the front, but the superiority will start to vanish next month as Russia mobilizes its superior resources.
     
    This is a song that you've been singing since last February 24, and it's starting to sound a bit hollow?...Ukrainian troops have met quality crack Russian troops since the beginning of the war, and even have been able to defeat them before the West really got interested in providing them with top quality weapons. Remember the complete shut down of the Russian 331st Guards Parachute Regiment during the fighting for Kyiv? IMHO, history will judge this battle as being among the most important losses for the Russian invaders. With close to 100,000 troops sent to the Kyiv area, you couldn't really attribute the huge loss as one that occurred due to lack of troops, weapons, or lack of morale. I'd be interested in hearing your conclusions regarding this battle.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Russian_bombardment_of_Kyiv_TV_Tower.jpg/800px-Russian_bombardment_of_Kyiv_TV_Tower.jpg

    So what makes you think that sending another 300,000 Russian ill supplied and trained "soldiers" (civilians) into this war, conscripted most likely without their desire to serve, into the battle is going to help turn the tide into a miraculous victory for Russia?

    Having said this, I'm glad to see that you've returned, once again! Somebody with as much military knowledge as you have, blogging here, is a always a plus.

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson, @Wokechoke

  136. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    imho, we are quite far from this point on a military perspective to worry about it atm, UA will have its combat hands more than tired from lifting the current adventures back into Kherson or Lugansk oblasts, even in case of finishing it succesfully.

    Replies: @German_reader

    That’s probably true enough. If things go badly and Russia manages to effectively use its mobilized troops there might even be major reverses for Ukraine this winter/next year again (though I really hope Russia won’t still somehow manage to take Odessa or Kharkiv, as some Russian chauvinists or they sympathizers still seem to hope for).
    But I can’t say I have a positive view of all this maximalist talk about re-taking Crimea (or even “demilitarizing” and possibly dismantling Russia herself). It’s at best silly, but could be dangerous if it becomes the basis for policy.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @German_reader


    though I really hope Russia won’t still somehow manage to take Odessa or Kharkiv, as some Russian chauvinists or they sympathizers still seem to hope for
     
    You don't want Biden and his Euro vassals to eat a catastrophic defeat?
  137. German_reader says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    @German_reader

    The Ukrainians have agency on their own, and in any case few countries recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea. Maybe the US can say it will refuse to transfer arms to the Ukraine if it invades the peninsula, but this strikes me as unlikely. An apparently victorious, advancing Ukrainian Army will acquire more support, and the Biden regime would be unlikely to refuse military assistance on these grounds lest it be denounced for weakness and stabbing the Ukraine in the back.

    From the Ukrainian point of view, this may be a moment akin to the 1918 Spring Offensive by the German Army on the Western Front. They now have superiority at the front, but the superiority will start to vanish next month as Russia mobilizes its superior resources. Thus it makes quite a lot of sense to throw everything into the battle right now in order to try and achieve a decision in the field.

    Indeed, it appears that this is exactly what they're doing. Ukrainian forces are advancing as far as they can, and according to the Kiev Independent the country has stop-lossed its whole army while delaying the intake of the next class of conscripts.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    Maybe the US can say it will refuse to transfer arms to the Ukraine if it invades the peninsula, but this strikes me as unlikely.

    That’s what they’d have to do if such a scenario ever becomes likely. Client states can’t be given unconditional support if their maximalist aims endanger vital interests of their sponsors (though there are of course plenty of people in the US foreign policy establishment who think that trying to expel Russia from Crimea is in US interests).
    But yes, the problem is that much of the public in Western countries, at least the human garbage that populates social media, has become completely retarded in their Manichaean war hysteria, egged on by Ukraine’s skilful propaganda campaign, and this will influence policy-makers.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @German_reader

    What the US ostensibly has to do is not the same as what it will do. Most of the political incentives are in favor of further escalation, and the midterm elections are nearing.

    There's also something else amusing about the current situation. For a long time the "realist" community (along with isolationists, appeasers, etc.) denounced Washington's reckless, anti-Russian foreign policy as likely to lead to disaster and conflict. It was further suggested by some that logically Washington should be trying to make an ally out of Moscow in order to enhance the containment and confrontation of China, which unlike Russia is in a position to challenge the USA on a global basis.

    The disaster and conflict came about just as the realists warned it would, but the situation now is that due to Russia's incompetent bumbling that it looks like a military victory and in turn a replacement of the Putin regime is at least a non-trivial possibility. Russia could then become an American vassal state aligned against China.

    So in other words the lunatics we've been railing against and warning about for 25 years will have been proven "right" (aside from all the dead and/or fled people in the Ukraine, but nobody cares about them), and we'll be Neville Chamberlain (ignoring the fact that Chamberlain was a major architect of British rearmament, which few know or care about).

    Note: not a prediction about future events, just a thought experiment.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @keypusher
    @German_reader


    But yes, the problem is that much of the public in Western countries, at least the human garbage that populates social media, has become completely retarded in their Manichaean war hysteria, egged on by Ukraine’s skilful propaganda campaign, and this will influence policy-makers.
     
    It's actually quite normal to root for the side that is resisting brutal, thuggish aggression, as the Ukrainians are, and to rejoice when they begin defeating their attackers. You don't have to be "the human garbage that populates social media" to do so. Just consider the reaction to the USSR's invasion of Finland, long before social media was ever though of. The differences are, the USSR was able to win the Winter War after three-odd months, and Russia now has nuclear weapons. It will be up to Western leaders to negotiate those complications, but in the meantime it's a bit absurd to expect ordinary people not to enjoy the spectacle of the Ukrainians humiliating the Russians.

    Replies: @German_reader

  138. @Thorfinnsson
    @Greasy William

    The RuAF basically does not have a SEAD capability. It has no dedicated electronic attack aircraft and no "Wild Weasel" squadrons dedicated to hunting enemy air defense systems.

    Ten electronic warfare variants of the Su-24, the Su-24MP, were built in 1980. None are any longer in service: https://web.archive.org/web/20141219023949/http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su24mk/history/

    The only electronic warfare Flanker variant is Chinese: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42511/chinas-j-16d-electronic-attack-jet-seen-sporting-jamming-pods-for-the-first-time

    A limited number of jamming pods such as Khibiny-U exist for deployment on the Su-30. These may have been used successfully on the airborne assault on Hostomel.

    Anti-radiation missiles do exist, but in Russian service are intended mainly to attack and destroy airborne early warning radar (AEWR) aircraft.

    The Russian Air Force suffers from trying to field a full spectrum air force on a shoestring, and to the extent it specializes it specializes in denying a numerically superior adversary air superiority over the territory on the Russian Federation. A NATO air campaign against Russia would suffer from some similar challenges to the Russian air campaign over the Ukraine.

    To the extent the Russian Air Force is conducting attack sorties (and it is), it suffers from a shortage of PGMs and inferior, low resolution targeting pods. This was not a problem in Syria due to permissive environment, but in the Ukraine it's untenable. The standard of Russian pilot training is also poor.

    A good source for this is Justin Bronk of the Royal United Services Institute.

    Replies: @Sean, @showmethereal

    From my understanding- Russia went very heavy into air defense systems because it knew it couldn’t take on NATO’s Air Forces after Soviet collapse. So why is anyone surprised by that? I’m not general – but it is understandable that Russia’s military is not set up to be an offensive one like the US. The differences in mindset are readily apparent. Why are people expecting Russians to fight a war American style? Especially when with all of America’s tech prowess when boots have to go on the ground – the tale becomes very different…

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @showmethereal

    Your understanding is not wrong, but ostensibly one of the objectives of Russian defense policy in the past decade was to be able to rapidly fight and win local wars in its "Near Abroad". Clearly the inability of the Russian Air Force to provide effective air defense suppression and close air support are inhibiting Russia's ability to fight and win this war.

    It should also been pointed out that Russia has had eight years to prepare for this war, but didn't. Then launched it anyway.

    Not very smart.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  139. @German_reader
    @Thorfinnsson


    Maybe the US can say it will refuse to transfer arms to the Ukraine if it invades the peninsula, but this strikes me as unlikely.
     
    That's what they'd have to do if such a scenario ever becomes likely. Client states can't be given unconditional support if their maximalist aims endanger vital interests of their sponsors (though there are of course plenty of people in the US foreign policy establishment who think that trying to expel Russia from Crimea is in US interests).
    But yes, the problem is that much of the public in Western countries, at least the human garbage that populates social media, has become completely retarded in their Manichaean war hysteria, egged on by Ukraine's skilful propaganda campaign, and this will influence policy-makers.

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson, @keypusher

    What the US ostensibly has to do is not the same as what it will do. Most of the political incentives are in favor of further escalation, and the midterm elections are nearing.

    There’s also something else amusing about the current situation. For a long time the “realist” community (along with isolationists, appeasers, etc.) denounced Washington’s reckless, anti-Russian foreign policy as likely to lead to disaster and conflict. It was further suggested by some that logically Washington should be trying to make an ally out of Moscow in order to enhance the containment and confrontation of China, which unlike Russia is in a position to challenge the USA on a global basis.

    The disaster and conflict came about just as the realists warned it would, but the situation now is that due to Russia’s incompetent bumbling that it looks like a military victory and in turn a replacement of the Putin regime is at least a non-trivial possibility. Russia could then become an American vassal state aligned against China.

    So in other words the lunatics we’ve been railing against and warning about for 25 years will have been proven “right” (aside from all the dead and/or fled people in the Ukraine, but nobody cares about them), and we’ll be Neville Chamberlain (ignoring the fact that Chamberlain was a major architect of British rearmament, which few know or care about).

    Note: not a prediction about future events, just a thought experiment.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thorfinnsson


    Russia could then become an American vassal state aligned against China.
     
    I have difficulty imagining that, but who knows. I certainly didn't expect the course the war has taken so far.
    Anyway, nice to read something from you again.
  140. @German_reader
    @Thorfinnsson


    Maybe the US can say it will refuse to transfer arms to the Ukraine if it invades the peninsula, but this strikes me as unlikely.
     
    That's what they'd have to do if such a scenario ever becomes likely. Client states can't be given unconditional support if their maximalist aims endanger vital interests of their sponsors (though there are of course plenty of people in the US foreign policy establishment who think that trying to expel Russia from Crimea is in US interests).
    But yes, the problem is that much of the public in Western countries, at least the human garbage that populates social media, has become completely retarded in their Manichaean war hysteria, egged on by Ukraine's skilful propaganda campaign, and this will influence policy-makers.

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson, @keypusher

    But yes, the problem is that much of the public in Western countries, at least the human garbage that populates social media, has become completely retarded in their Manichaean war hysteria, egged on by Ukraine’s skilful propaganda campaign, and this will influence policy-makers.

    It’s actually quite normal to root for the side that is resisting brutal, thuggish aggression, as the Ukrainians are, and to rejoice when they begin defeating their attackers. You don’t have to be “the human garbage that populates social media” to do so. Just consider the reaction to the USSR’s invasion of Finland, long before social media was ever though of. The differences are, the USSR was able to win the Winter War after three-odd months, and Russia now has nuclear weapons. It will be up to Western leaders to negotiate those complications, but in the meantime it’s a bit absurd to expect ordinary people not to enjoy the spectacle of the Ukrainians humiliating the Russians.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @keypusher

    There's a lot of injustice and suffering in the world that the average Western normie couldn't give a fuck about, doesn't even know about (and for the record, I don't care much myself, I certainly wouldn't be willing to make any personal sacrifices for Yemenis or West Saharans). The outrage and enthusiasm for Ukraine among Westerners is manufactured, most people don't understand anything at all about the conflict, they just repeat the media narratives they're fed with, for purposes of virtue-signaling or a semi-hidden chauvinism, thinly veiled with liberal sentimentality. This was bad enough when it came to bombing a weak state like Serbia, but it's disastrous when it comes to dealing with a nuclear-armed power, closely linked to another nuclear-armed power which could intervene if there's a chance of Russia being permanently reduced.
    When one looks at pro-Ukrainian Twitter one encounters some pretty remarkable things...I've noticed at least some Westerners (no doubt thinking themselves to be good liberals) have now taken to calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers "Orcs", but Russians collectively (like "It's good the Baltic states don't want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization"). Maybe it takes a racist like me to notice the racial overtones in that, most normies seem to be quite hilariously lacking in understanding what they're actually implying.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Bashibuzuk, @Coconuts

  141. @showmethereal
    @Thorfinnsson

    From my understanding- Russia went very heavy into air defense systems because it knew it couldn’t take on NATO’s Air Forces after Soviet collapse. So why is anyone surprised by that? I’m not general - but it is understandable that Russia’s military is not set up to be an offensive one like the US. The differences in mindset are readily apparent. Why are people expecting Russians to fight a war American style? Especially when with all of America’s tech prowess when boots have to go on the ground - the tale becomes very different…

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

    Your understanding is not wrong, but ostensibly one of the objectives of Russian defense policy in the past decade was to be able to rapidly fight and win local wars in its “Near Abroad”. Clearly the inability of the Russian Air Force to provide effective air defense suppression and close air support are inhibiting Russia’s ability to fight and win this war.

    It should also been pointed out that Russia has had eight years to prepare for this war, but didn’t. Then launched it anyway.

    Not very smart.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Thorfinnsson

    I can’t speak to preparedness… But I do know again they aren’t using all their assets. I don’t understand why - but they aren’t. Frankly - I don’t trust western analysts to figure out why not. Russia could have easily been destroying things like railways and power sources en masse - but chose not to. Baffles me - but it’s not my country. I do know from hearing from Russians that I know that a place like Odessa would never be bombed to oblivion like NATO style fighting because it holds sentimental value to Russians. I can only speculate that may be the reason for other restraints- but I don’t want to make assumptions.

  142. @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary


    None of this is unusual by historical standards (brutal repression of civilian populations was carried out by all sides in World War II), but ultimately, it’s an unconscionable failure on the part of Moscow to tell the people of Izyum region that they were there to stay, only to evacuate without a fight.
     
    Russia's performance in this war has been utterly embarassing. Putin shouldn't have taken this gamble, there's now a real risk that Russia will be permanently reduced and cease to have any credible claims to great power status. The alternatives are eking out some kind of win through massive bloodshed or all of us getting vaporized in a nuclear war.
    I can't comment on your claims about repression in the areas re-taken by Ukraine. But possibly there's at least some truth to them. One more reason why I resent the foolish Westerners with their retarded dog avatars on Twitter and their Slava Ukraini nonsense. It's never a good idea to identify yourself completely with a foreign cause on which you have only limited influence at best.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary

    Concerning performance in the war, it’s mostly a question of manpower. Kill ratios seem to have highly favor Russia, based on confirmed numbers of casualties from either side and relative artillery tonnage. However, artillery superiority only buys you so much. At the end of the day, you need men who can stand their ground, which was sorely lacking in Kharkovskaya oblast.

    There are various hypotheses about why Putlet has been so reluctant to mobilize, or even to just send in the men he already had, ranging from “he fears an animated patriotic populace more than losing the war” to “he’s a total retard”. From what I can tell, the muzhiki are ready to rumble, so it’s now a question of political will.

  143. @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal

    Russia managed to get what they say is 50,000 troops into non-tactical formations, and parade a little bit, but it is also unable to live up to its CSTO commitments, garrison Transniestria or Kaliningrad properly, avoid mobilisation and not lose to Ukraine repeatedly.

    Hypothesis 1: the huge, expensively assembled Russian war machine is currently conquering the Arctic, Mars or the Moon.

    Hypothesis 2: Putin and his cronies stole all of your money and delivered a fake and gay armed force.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Huh? Didn’t they go into Kazhasktan and quell the uprising their? Did Armenia ask for CSTO assistance?? And how do you know the condition in Kaliningrad???? Or are you just pulling that from Mars or the Moon???? I personally don’t know and I seriously doubt you do either.
    As to the second hypothesis- I think you watch too many cowboys or Rambo movies. War isn’t like that.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal


    Did Armenia ask for CSTO assistance??
     
    Yes, and Russia did nothing. Instead, RT had an article from a leading "thinker" arguing how alliances are modern and for Westerners and not for true Russians.

    And how do you know the condition in Kaliningrad?
     
    Russian reports! And you can bet Western intelligence knows too.

    As to the second hypothesis- I think you watch too many cowboys or Rambo movies. War isn’t like that.
     
    I know exactly what war is like. And conducting it successfully, in a modern way, requires years of consistent training, logistics and institutional building. This is all expensive and requires a high degree of internal transparency to be effective.

    Ukraine seems to have been able to perform a miracle and do this in 7 months, if admittedly at a smaller scale.

    But it is clear that Russia has failed at it for 20 years, and isn't going to suddenly learn now.

    You, someone who has no clue, are talking to someone with the experience to know. You can choose to try to understand or not, but please notice the difference in our replies. I mention things you probably never even thought about, despite them being very basic to any professional. You talk about cowboys and Indians.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  144. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wanderghost

    What Putin murdering Ukrainians has to do with all of that, I have no idea. I suppose you have some 12 dimensional chess fantasy in your head?

    Anyway, the fact is that, despite what you describe so histrionically, the balance of white migration is heavily favoured towards the US.

    So just as we know it is actually a pretty good place for Africans because they keep moving there, so too do we know that for whites. And whites are choosing to move from countries far nicer than any in Africa.

    There are a lot of things to improve, but your black and white thinking is broken.

    Replies: @Wanderghost

    Oh Shilleus, do bite me.

  145. Bashibuzuk says:
    @LatW
    @Bashibuzuk


    Ukraine as an anti-Russia
     
    Well, Russia, too, chose to not be amicable and not work with her problems. 30 years was very long, we are tired. We want to live.

    He is part and parcel of these “young hounds” who have chased the “old boars” from power in Kiev.
     
    You know, at least he's younger and brings in some fresh ideas and a more modern demeanor. It's about time.


    Now he wants to be among those who replace them in Moscow too. That is why he has already spoken in favor of keeping the Russian language and culture alive in Ukraine.
     
    I sense he did have this on his mind for a while, but only started speaking about it openly now (after Lyman, etc). But I had no idea he wants to go that far. The only question for me is if he can. This is all still very hypothetical.

    Him being in favor of retaining the Russian language initially was because he believes Ukraine should integrate Russianness since it would make Ukraine stronger (according to his logic). In the light of what he said yesterday, the Russian language will now be instrumental (this is the language that the friends of Ukraine to the East use). The Ukrainians will learn English, too, gradually.

    To ease the integration of the Moscovites into the new Globalist Emporium managed by the Kiev Khazaro-Varangians (pun intended).
     
    I know this is how it looks to you as you are attached to these ideas. And I appreciate that. But from Ukraine's point of view, given what happened that there was a barbaric attempt to erase Ukraine (which is still ongoing), Ukraine has to do what it takes for her own security (and security of others). As I said, when you initiate such big events, when you feel entitled to spin the wheel of Destiny, as Putin did, things will go out of your control and now everything that was kept inside for 30 years is coming out and falling into place. The Thundercross is spinning fast now.

    That might work or that might end up in a nuclear war. I can see his gamble, but for me it is a too dangerous one.
     
    I'm just putting it out here for you because this is new, such bold ideas were not floated yet before. I wouldn't consider it noteworthy if he weren't as close to the administration and so popular. He literally said "administer the realm" (speaking of parts of Russia from what I assumed, maybe he didn't mean literally, physically being there, and just dealing with whatever comes out of the current Russia in the next few years or maybe just dealing with places like Georgia and Moldova, remember that Georgia is now 10% Russian due to the recent influx and he wants to help Georgia handle it). Not sure it's possible to pull off, the human resources and work required for this is vast.

    And they really ought to rename themselves Kievan Rus, that would sweeten the pill a little… 😁
     
    Arestovych was going around a while back trying to rename Ukraine "Rus-Ukraina". This has been on his mind (even if may not gain traction). It's not like they don't know what this is. And it's not like they don't know who they are.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    LatW, you know that I am no fan of Putin, but to be honest, the “project” that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.

    It was talked about already by some Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists during the late 1920ies. And it goes all the way back to the fight between Muscovy and Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the Commonwealth nearly ended up conquering Muscovy. The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.

    The Catholic/Uniate Ruthenian/Ukrainian elites have since often seen Muscovy as inherently backward and in deep need of reform and (ahem) administration (colonization really). The Papacy encouraged them in that view even publishing official proclamation to that effect.

    And more recently, the US and NATO has used this ideological superiority/victimhood complex of the Ukrainian elites to prepare them to fight against “Mordor” and its “orcs”. Among the Western pundits who have worked in this sense was the late Brzezinski. He wrote on the subject and he knew the case quite well given his Polish ancestry and his early years in Kharkov and Moscow (IIRC his dad was among the Polish diplomatic personnel in these lands).

    His article written in 2011 and published in early 2012 (well before the Maidan) suggests reorganizing the Eurasian landmass under US patronage to stand against the Chinese rise up. And he floats the idea that Kiev might one day become the capital city of this federated Eurasia.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    So there is nothing new or revolutionary about Arestovitch’s ideas.

    Same old, same old.

    They really think that they can reorganize to their benefit the Rus Realm (I think we have got here to a nice description for these lands in our collaborative effort both you and I). But they should ask how it worked for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, because that is how it will most probably look like in former RusFed territories once it crumbles. It will be as crazy as in 1918-1922, except that this time there would be more sophisticated weapons (including nuclear) around and lots of dirty industries ready to poison everything around for decades.

    That would be quite entertaining to observe from afar…

    🙂

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Bashibuzuk


    the “project” that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.
     
    Of course, the "project" is old, what I meant is that he is only now speaking about it fully openly. I sense though that there could be some newer or "upgraded" version of it. The key would be to not "upgrade" it in the globohomo fashion.



    The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.
     
    That mistake will be corrected.

    https://vimeo.com/507710569

    Plus, large masses of people are now secular so some other uniting ideology will need to be sought. Of course, you know that I support the revival of our old Faith as well.

    For those with open hearts, everything should be provided to the best ability. Above all - благо.

    Благо should be created and spread, and always come first, on top of all ideologies and as the goal of all efforts.


    He wrote on the subject and he knew the case quite well given his Polish ancestry
     
    Yea, I read pretty much everything he wrote / said years ago, but again, right now it just seems old fashioned. Come on, some old dudes from the Atlantic Council or some woke women from Georgetown are not going to push the Kyevans around. To some extent, maybe, but, as I said, these will not be the obedient and docile Estonians. And this is what I love about them. 😆

    The finance sector is really the most difficult part of this. And demographics. LOL. Yea, just those tiny little details.


    They really think that they can reorganize to their benefit the Rus Realm (I think we have got here to a nice description for these lands in our collaborative effort both you and I).
     
    Yes, thanks for that. See, we're already thinking in the same direction. It could also be called "The Realm of the Rus" (might be grammatically more correct).

    it worked for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, because that is how it will most probably look like in former RusFed territories once it crumbles. It will be as crazy as in 1918-1922, except that this time there would be more sophisticated weapons (including nuclear) around and lots of dirty industries ready to poison everything around for decades.
     
    This is definitely one of the scenarios (even the weapons unleashed now are scary, frankly, shouldn't be used in urban spaces). I know that the Russians will fight. The question is only how much.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    the “project” that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.

    It was talked about already by some Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists during the late 1920ies. And it goes all the way back to the fight between Muscovy and Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the Commonwealth nearly ended up conquering Muscovy.
     
    Arestovich’s father is a Polish nobleman from Belarus, herb Rola. Arestovich is a son of the old Commonwealth.

    Arestovich is married and has three children.

    The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.
     
    Or maybe the blame for the failed unification of almost all the world’s Slavs and Balts in a republican confederation rests upon the Orthodox Muscovites in their blind zealotry? Although I’ve heard that they may have been encouraged or manipulated by Anglo merchants. Such a lost opportunity.

    BTW the attempted unification was the initiative not of Poles but of Rus magnates, Sapieha and Vyshnevetsky.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  146. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @showmethereal
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Huh? Didn’t they go into Kazhasktan and quell the uprising their? Did Armenia ask for CSTO assistance?? And how do you know the condition in Kaliningrad???? Or are you just pulling that from Mars or the Moon???? I personally don’t know and I seriously doubt you do either.
    As to the second hypothesis- I think you watch too many cowboys or Rambo movies. War isn’t like that.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Did Armenia ask for CSTO assistance??

    Yes, and Russia did nothing. Instead, RT had an article from a leading “thinker” arguing how alliances are modern and for Westerners and not for true Russians.

    And how do you know the condition in Kaliningrad?

    Russian reports! And you can bet Western intelligence knows too.

    As to the second hypothesis- I think you watch too many cowboys or Rambo movies. War isn’t like that.

    I know exactly what war is like. And conducting it successfully, in a modern way, requires years of consistent training, logistics and institutional building. This is all expensive and requires a high degree of internal transparency to be effective.

    Ukraine seems to have been able to perform a miracle and do this in 7 months, if admittedly at a smaller scale.

    But it is clear that Russia has failed at it for 20 years, and isn’t going to suddenly learn now.

    You, someone who has no clue, are talking to someone with the experience to know. You can choose to try to understand or not, but please notice the difference in our replies. I mention things you probably never even thought about, despite them being very basic to any professional. You talk about cowboys and Indians.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Where is the official request of Armenia for CSTO assistance like Kazhaks made and received? Show me the OFFICIAL request and not political punditry.

    Where are the official Russian reports stating Kaliningrad is in the state you claim. I remember only a few years ago the US rehearsing cruise missile strikes on the region - under fear of the S-400 being active there. So please show us these supposed intelligence reports. Are they the same analysts that said it would take at least a year for the Taliban to take back Afghanistan of the US withdrew??

    And tell me what war you successfully prosecuted…. This ought to be interesting. Don’t tell me Iraq because I can introduce you to some veterans of that supposed overwhelming US victory who suffer from PTSD to this day when they had to dig their boots in the ground and there were no more flashy “shock and awe” videos to show the public and after Bush declare victory on that aircraft carrier.

    You are absolutely correct that I do NOT know the minutiae of military doctrine and tactics. But my IQ is enough to know that there is no miracle performed by Ukraine when the whole reason for the war - Donbass (not to mention Kherson) - is almost entirely under Russian control with a much smaller force than the Ukrainians have. I have seen real miracles in life. That is not a miracle. Unless you really believe western propaganda that Russia was trying to take the whole of Ukraine. The most fervent Russians I have never even heard make that claim. The only thing I ever heard them say is that Russia would keep going along the same line from Kherson to Odessa and then Transnistria. Whether that happens or not - or are even in the official plans I do not know. But claiming Ukraine who has been training with NATO for many years now and lost 20% of its territory to a much smaller force is not a miracle in any way shape or form. Cowboy and Rambo movies make more sense than that.

  147. German_reader says:
    @keypusher
    @German_reader


    But yes, the problem is that much of the public in Western countries, at least the human garbage that populates social media, has become completely retarded in their Manichaean war hysteria, egged on by Ukraine’s skilful propaganda campaign, and this will influence policy-makers.
     
    It's actually quite normal to root for the side that is resisting brutal, thuggish aggression, as the Ukrainians are, and to rejoice when they begin defeating their attackers. You don't have to be "the human garbage that populates social media" to do so. Just consider the reaction to the USSR's invasion of Finland, long before social media was ever though of. The differences are, the USSR was able to win the Winter War after three-odd months, and Russia now has nuclear weapons. It will be up to Western leaders to negotiate those complications, but in the meantime it's a bit absurd to expect ordinary people not to enjoy the spectacle of the Ukrainians humiliating the Russians.

    Replies: @German_reader

    There’s a lot of injustice and suffering in the world that the average Western normie couldn’t give a fuck about, doesn’t even know about (and for the record, I don’t care much myself, I certainly wouldn’t be willing to make any personal sacrifices for Yemenis or West Saharans). The outrage and enthusiasm for Ukraine among Westerners is manufactured, most people don’t understand anything at all about the conflict, they just repeat the media narratives they’re fed with, for purposes of virtue-signaling or a semi-hidden chauvinism, thinly veiled with liberal sentimentality. This was bad enough when it came to bombing a weak state like Serbia, but it’s disastrous when it comes to dealing with a nuclear-armed power, closely linked to another nuclear-armed power which could intervene if there’s a chance of Russia being permanently reduced.
    When one looks at pro-Ukrainian Twitter one encounters some pretty remarkable things…I’ve noticed at least some Westerners (no doubt thinking themselves to be good liberals) have now taken to calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers “Orcs”, but Russians collectively (like “It’s good the Baltic states don’t want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization”). Maybe it takes a racist like me to notice the racial overtones in that, most normies seem to be quite hilariously lacking in understanding what they’re actually implying.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk, showmethereal
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    Would you say that tremendous global interest in the death of the Queen, with it being a common and 99% respectful obsession, from Brazil to Thailand, was manufactured?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @German_reader


    calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers “Orcs”, but Russians collectively (like “It’s good the Baltic states don’t want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization”). Maybe it takes a racist like me to notice the racial overtones in that, most normies seem to be quite hilariously lacking in understanding what they’re actually implying
     
    Well, LOTR was a thinly hidden message of Western superiority. In the book everything Southern or Eastern is bad, the more Western it gets - the better.



    Many years ago, shortly after the fall of the USSR a few Russian Sci Fi / Fantasy writers had some fun rewriting the LOTR narrative from the Mordor/Orc-ish pov. In that inverted narrative, the Elves and Westerners/Numenorians were cunning, perfidious and obsessed with pushing an agenda of colonisation, depopulation and environmentally-friendly de-industrialization upon the poor peaceful orcs, trolls and other non-Western ethnicities of the Middle Earth. The Hobbits were useful idiot normies. Morgoth was a Prometheus-like figure and Sauron the title of a Great Imperial dynasty that reigned upon the highly civilized, industrious and multinational Mordor.

    I should re-read these books, they now look somewhat prescient.

    Bottom line: Orcs did nothing wrong, I have no problems being called an Orc by rainbow flag waiving Elves (but I would refuse eating their flesh, even if well cooked - these creatures are full of germs, monkey pox and all...)

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    I’ve noticed at least some Westerners (no doubt thinking themselves to be good liberals) have now taken to calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers “Orcs”, but Russians collectively (like “It’s good the Baltic states don’t want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization”).
     
    Well, if the soldiers have white phenotype I suppose they are being good liberals. Don't they believe that Putin is the leader of a global Fascist cabal and these soldiers are WN Fascists or something? I heard some senior academics at Yale explaining this in a talk at one point.
  148. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The Polish language belongs to a different language group, Poles are of a different religious denomination and they use a different alphabet. The genesis of their language points out that historically they are of a different ethnicity.
     
    Correct. On the other hand, the flood of Polish words into the Ukrainian language is such that for a naive Ukrainian speaker (one who has learned neither Russian nor Ukrainian) the Polish language is about as easy/difficult to understand as is Russian. Russian is closer in grammar and pronunciation, Polish closer in vocabulary.

    And Poles are different enough genetically as well.
     
    On the chart you posted there is not much genetic overlap between Ukrainians and non-northern Russians, and Ukrainians are as close to Russians as they are to Poles. Belarussians overlap both Ukrainians and Russians. Slovenes are very close to Ukrainians, closer than Russians are (genetically, not culturally):

    https://i.postimg.cc/BQXgpBTz/Genetic-structure-of-the-Balto-Slavic-populations.png

    All of three groups are close together of course.

    On top of that there is alienation between theirs and that of the East Slavic peoples religious affiliation.
     
    I've heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic subjects/slaves. This separated them from their Polish brothers.

    And religious rite is not the only factor. Orthodoxy in Ukraine was heavily influenced by Catholicism even though it was anti-Catholic.

    The western Ukrainians are different from the rest because they speak a different language. We can say that these are a different ethnic group. The rest of the Ukrainians are not.
     
    By "western Ukrainians" this would apply not only to Galicians but also to people from the Right Bank and in Poltava on the other side of the Dnipro- areas where the majority are Ukrainian speaking.

    And then you have a place like the city of Kiev. Mostly Russian-speaking by first or preferred language of use, but nearly everyone fluent in Ukrainian also. And many if not most of the Russian-speakers in places like Kiev have Ukrainian-speaking cousins in some village , or Ukrainian-speaking grandparents, or friends with whom they socialize in the Ukrainian language. In other words, although Ukrainian is not their primary language it is not a foreign language for them either. And this makes such Russian-speaking Ukrainians very different from a Russian-speaking Russian from Moscow, or Samara, or Sevastopol.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Here Be Dragon

    On the chart you posted there is not much genetic overlap between Ukrainians and non-northern Russians, and Ukrainians are as close to Russians as they are to Poles.

    There is one subgroup of Russians that is close to a subgroup of Poles. That subgroup of Russians is closer to Poles and to Slovaks than to other Russians or Ukrainians.

    Most Ukrainians are closer to Slovenians and Slovaks, and a half of Ukrainians overlap with Belarusians, whereas a half of Belarusians overlap with southern and central Russians.

    Northern Russians are closer to Baltic and Finnic peoples than to other Russians. However northern Russians are a minor group that is located north of Moscow.

    Ukrainians are closer to Belarusians and Slovenians than to Poles. Belarusians overlap with most Russians, and Ukrainians with most Belarusians, therefore these three are closer to each other than to other groups.

    There is a greater distance between other Slavic subgroups within each of the other groups than there is between Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. Neither of the three overlap with Poles.

    Belarussians overlap both Ukrainians and Russians. Slovenes are very close to Ukrainians, closer than Russians are.

    Belarusians therefore are a sort of genetic bridge between Ukrainians and Russians.

    The three colors of the flag of Russia represent these three parts of one people. Ukrainians were placed in the middle – that is wrong.

    White color should be in the middle, red above it and blue below. But such is the flag of the Netherlands, and it had been before. The flag of Croatia is the same but features a coat of arms.

    And the flag of Ukraine is in fact the flag of Dalmatia – now a region of Croatia that used to be the independent Kingdom of Dalmatia.

    I’ve heard Poles complain that one of the greatest sins of the Varangians/Rus is that they imposed the Eastern Christian Church upon their East Slavic slaves.

    Tell them that Varangians were never called the Rus’. The notion of that was proposed to Peter the Great and the idea appealed to him because he hated Russian people and admired Europeans, so due to a German historian at his court we now have to argue about that – Rus’ is a Slavic word.

    The Rus’ were never slaves of Varangians. All efforts to find a group of Varangians called the Rus’ failed and there is no such a word in the Scandinavian languages. The Varangians were a small clan that was chosen to rule for being a neutral force between other tribes.

    This separated them from their Polish brothers.

    Tell them that Russians were baptized first and Poles second as well. Poles rebelled against the Church and most Poles were not in fact Christians until 1030-40.

    By “western Ukrainians” this would apply not only to Galicians but also to people from the Right Bank and in Poltava on the other side of the Dnipro.

    Yes as a matter of fact that should be applied at large to all those whose mother tongue – which is spoken at home – is Ukrainian. But as we know it was brought to the south and east of what is now Ukraine from the west, the same as Russian was brought there from the north and the east.

    Hence there is a simple rule: the Russian-speaking Ukrainians are for the most part ethnic Russians.

    Many if not most of the Russian-speakers in places like Kiev have Ukrainian-speaking cousins in some village, or Ukrainian-speaking grandparents, or friends with whom they socialize in Ukrainian.

    Most rather do not, but some for sure do have. How large is their share we cannot estimate, but the larger it is the closer are the two peoples. We can guess that a lot less Ukrainians have cousins or grandparents in Poland.

    And this makes such Russian-speaking Ukrainians very different from a Russian-speaking Russians from Moscow, or Samara, or Sevastopol.

    A bit different, if we put them under a microscope.

  149. @Thorfinnsson
    @German_reader

    What the US ostensibly has to do is not the same as what it will do. Most of the political incentives are in favor of further escalation, and the midterm elections are nearing.

    There's also something else amusing about the current situation. For a long time the "realist" community (along with isolationists, appeasers, etc.) denounced Washington's reckless, anti-Russian foreign policy as likely to lead to disaster and conflict. It was further suggested by some that logically Washington should be trying to make an ally out of Moscow in order to enhance the containment and confrontation of China, which unlike Russia is in a position to challenge the USA on a global basis.

    The disaster and conflict came about just as the realists warned it would, but the situation now is that due to Russia's incompetent bumbling that it looks like a military victory and in turn a replacement of the Putin regime is at least a non-trivial possibility. Russia could then become an American vassal state aligned against China.

    So in other words the lunatics we've been railing against and warning about for 25 years will have been proven "right" (aside from all the dead and/or fled people in the Ukraine, but nobody cares about them), and we'll be Neville Chamberlain (ignoring the fact that Chamberlain was a major architect of British rearmament, which few know or care about).

    Note: not a prediction about future events, just a thought experiment.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Russia could then become an American vassal state aligned against China.

    I have difficulty imagining that, but who knows. I certainly didn’t expect the course the war has taken so far.
    Anyway, nice to read something from you again.

  150. @Bashibuzuk
    @showmethereal


    the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter
     
    Absolutely. But they don't understand that Putin and his circle have contributed immensely to this conflict. Russians being what they have always been (a little naive really), think that "the Czar is good, but the Boyars are bad".

    No, they're wrong, this time the Czar and the Boyars are both scum. Russians don't understand that for the last 30 years they have been led to the catastrophe that is currently unfolding.

    It is not incompetence, it is treason. This is something most Russians will never understand and/or accept. That they have been had once again, like some village simpleton would have been led by the tip of his nose by big city crooks.

    Лохи не мамонты - они не вымрут...

    (That’s a Russian mafia saying describing the situation perfectly. Ask your Russian friends for a translation).

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Explain to me what you mean? It was Putin who caused the coup in 2014? It was Putin who gave ultra nationalists and banned Russian language and culture in Donbass? It was Putin who kept expanding NATO closer and closer?
    If you are referring to internal Russian issues then I have no comment because I have very little knowledge. You might be correct if that’s what you mean. But I certainly understand geopolitical issues and know the west hates Putin because he is the opposite of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. NATO will seek to crush anyone who does not bow to their agenda. So unless you are saying Putin should have bowed – then I do not understand what you mean.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal


    It was Putin who caused the coup in 2014?
     
    Putin's guy was Yanukovych. Yanukovych, by being awful, was more responsible for him getting kicked out than anyone.

    It was Putin who gave ultra nationalists and banned Russian language and culture in Donbass?
     
    It is clear that Russia invaded in 2014. And invading a country predictably turns its people against you and things they associate with you, and can push them to extremes in that regard.

    It was Putin who kept expanding NATO closer and closer?
     
    Those countries chose, under popular demand, to join NATO. They did this because they were rightfully scared that otherwise Putin or Russia might invade them.

    NATO will seek to crush anyone who does not bow to their agenda.
     
    False. Russia was under no threat of military invasion. Or being "crushed."

    Also, please understand that events are multi-factorial and that obviously there were others things influencing how all this turned out, but it is a ridiculous delusion to contend that Putin dindu nuffin.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  151. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @German_reader
    @keypusher

    There's a lot of injustice and suffering in the world that the average Western normie couldn't give a fuck about, doesn't even know about (and for the record, I don't care much myself, I certainly wouldn't be willing to make any personal sacrifices for Yemenis or West Saharans). The outrage and enthusiasm for Ukraine among Westerners is manufactured, most people don't understand anything at all about the conflict, they just repeat the media narratives they're fed with, for purposes of virtue-signaling or a semi-hidden chauvinism, thinly veiled with liberal sentimentality. This was bad enough when it came to bombing a weak state like Serbia, but it's disastrous when it comes to dealing with a nuclear-armed power, closely linked to another nuclear-armed power which could intervene if there's a chance of Russia being permanently reduced.
    When one looks at pro-Ukrainian Twitter one encounters some pretty remarkable things...I've noticed at least some Westerners (no doubt thinking themselves to be good liberals) have now taken to calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers "Orcs", but Russians collectively (like "It's good the Baltic states don't want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization"). Maybe it takes a racist like me to notice the racial overtones in that, most normies seem to be quite hilariously lacking in understanding what they're actually implying.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Bashibuzuk, @Coconuts

    Would you say that tremendous global interest in the death of the Queen, with it being a common and 99% respectful obsession, from Brazil to Thailand, was manufactured?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Not everybody likes the Royal Family:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/13/preston-ban-football-fan-for-life-for-derogatory-tweet-about-the-royal-family


    Preston North End have issued a lifetime stadium ban to a supporter for a derogatory tweet about the royal family.
    A source with knowledge of the situation told the Guardian that the tweet, since deleted, said that the optimal way for the week to end would be for the royal family to all die on their way to the Queen’s funeral.
    In a separate tweet the fan asked whether he would be ejected from the stadium for booing during a minute’s silence, and joked that he would make a Nazi salute in Queen Elizabeth II’s honour. The club were tagged in all the messages.
     
    Personally I liked Prince Philip, great sense of humour.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Matra
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Queen has been known to virtually every person on earth for generations so naturally there was interest in her death. Most Westerners with Ukraine flags in their bios etc know piss all about Ukraine beyond what the MSM & social media tells them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  152. @216
    15 Fullbacks have been shot down in this war. That's over 10% of those produced, and an unsustainable loss ratio. Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems, let alone large number of MANPADS. MIM-104 and THAAD have not been deployed

    Iraq in 1991 achieved the loss of only two comparable F-15E, which the true equivalent is the long retired F-111.

    There is no Russian copy of the American JDAM, a cheap guided bomb. Apparently the Chinese did reverse engineer JDAM, but the Russians are not using it. The losses are the likely result of low altitude attacks using non-guided bombs.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Here Be Dragon

    Our trolls have got reinforcement. Whose opinion are these children intend to influence here?

    A bunch of liars.

    There is no Russian copy of the American JDAM, a cheap guided bomb. Apparently the Chinese did reverse engineer JDAM, but the Russians are not using it.

    It is the second post 216 troll has made tonight in which he lies. That must be because such are the instructions from Arestovich.

    Tell him that I like talking about guns so it is not going to work on this page.

    “The KAB-500S-E is a guided bomb designed for the Russian Air Force. It uses the GLONASS satellite navigation and is the Russian equivalent of the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) weapons.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-500S-E

    And of course as all things made in the U.S. JDAM is not cheap but is rather overpriced ($25,000).

    The Russian air forces have 3 models of guided bombs.

    “The KAB-500L is a laser-guided bomb developed by the Soviet Air Force, entering service in 1975. The KAB-500L is a standard FAB-500 general-purpose bomb, fitted with a semi-active laser seeker and guidance fins, turning it into an unpowered guided bomb.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-500L

    “The KAB-500Kr is an electro-optical TV-guided fire and forget bomb developed by the Soviet Air Force in the 1980s. It remains in service with the CIS and various export customers. The KAB-500Kr is analogous to the American GBU-15 weapon.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-500KR

    Your supervisors could not even find an appropriate topic to spin out.

  153. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @showmethereal
    @Bashibuzuk

    Explain to me what you mean? It was Putin who caused the coup in 2014? It was Putin who gave ultra nationalists and banned Russian language and culture in Donbass? It was Putin who kept expanding NATO closer and closer?
    If you are referring to internal Russian issues then I have no comment because I have very little knowledge. You might be correct if that’s what you mean. But I certainly understand geopolitical issues and know the west hates Putin because he is the opposite of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. NATO will seek to crush anyone who does not bow to their agenda. So unless you are saying Putin should have bowed - then I do not understand what you mean.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It was Putin who caused the coup in 2014?

    Putin’s guy was Yanukovych. Yanukovych, by being awful, was more responsible for him getting kicked out than anyone.

    It was Putin who gave ultra nationalists and banned Russian language and culture in Donbass?

    It is clear that Russia invaded in 2014. And invading a country predictably turns its people against you and things they associate with you, and can push them to extremes in that regard.

    It was Putin who kept expanding NATO closer and closer?

    Those countries chose, under popular demand, to join NATO. They did this because they were rightfully scared that otherwise Putin or Russia might invade them.

    NATO will seek to crush anyone who does not bow to their agenda.

    False. Russia was under no threat of military invasion. Or being “crushed.”

    Also, please understand that events are multi-factorial and that obviously there were others things influencing how all this turned out, but it is a ridiculous delusion to contend that Putin dindu nuffin.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Are you posting under aliases? Or you can read the other posters mind?

    Ahh yes so you believe Russia was going to invade all the former Soviet countries but NATO is a saint. Serbia and Libya and Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan would disagree (which doesn’t include other U.S. adventures). And it is an absolute reality that Russia was in the process of being economically dismantled when western companies went in their to raid. The only thing that saved Russia from military intervention is its nuclear Arsenal. If not for that it would have been carved up years ago when it was weakened

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  154. @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    I was thinking to myself that a succinct explanation is that Putin channeled the oligarchy, constraining it to his approved circle. The 90's were an unrestrained pillage and the Putin era represents a more constrained and directed pillage of national resources.

    This explains why the narrative of Putin vs. Oligarchs has traction. It's true, but only to a limited extent. A better framing would be Putin vs. Some Oligarchs.

    Really this is not so different than the dynamic in the West since one is only allowed to loot the State if one has the proper connections. If one has these, the pork barrel is open!

    Replies: @Dmitry

    In the 1990s, there was conflict for former state’s resources in Saint-Petersburg, with the mediation and state capture involving often local government, including the Mayor’s (Sobchak) office.

    Probably most infamously is the relation of the Mayor’s office with conflicts between Tambov gang and Malyshev’s gang for assets like logistical hubs into Russia. This can seem like old history, but the same people are still all mixed together as friends in the 2020s. Officials’ family are often mixed with family of the representatives of such kinds of groups.

    In 1996 the Sobchak’s team move to manage in Moscow to work for Yeltsin’s office. This relatively younger team from Saint-Petersburg was talented with the PR and managing of new media and this has continued after Yeltsin. Although the criticism is that they too prioritize managing of the image and here is one of the aspects of the government in the early 21st century.

    This explains why the narrative of Putin vs. Oligarchs has traction. It’s true, but only to a limited extent. A better framing would be Putin vs. Some Oligarchs.

    There are different clans, which have alliances between each other, often friends from many decades ago. Some of these clans sometimes lose protection so then are expropriated by colleagues, through the mechanism of the state, which is the “official face” of those other clans.

    It’s probably similar in many countries (especially somewhere like Brazil), but in Russia and Ukraine it’s especially “not independent wealth” because this is recent state property that they are being allowed to sit on. It is the recent property of the Soviet people. And the officials’ children are sitting with them. In such ways, it could be similar in Iran, perhaps in China. The property is becoming less provisional when it is circled around and washed which is why they are cycling the money around the world.

  155. @showmethereal
    @216

    Greeks and Romans went to conquer others and were not Christians. And being a conquerer is against the words of Christ. So how does that make sense? That’s a false religion papered over a Greco Roman base. No conquering until He returns as a lion and if you read - he won’t be returning to Rome or anywhere in Europe. It says what mountain

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Maybe he has been reading Evola and he thinks the Holy Roman Empire was like Shangri La + El Dorado.

    There is a great book on the Germanizing of Christianity on the bottom of one of my book stacks where they describe heathen martial values overwhelming the docile monk society after Charlemagne conquered Saxony.

    The British soldiers who dug all those mass graves in my cartoon map up-thread were good Christians. : (

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  156. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    Would you say that tremendous global interest in the death of the Queen, with it being a common and 99% respectful obsession, from Brazil to Thailand, was manufactured?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra

    Not everybody likes the Royal Family:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/13/preston-ban-football-fan-for-life-for-derogatory-tweet-about-the-royal-family

    Preston North End have issued a lifetime stadium ban to a supporter for a derogatory tweet about the royal family.
    A source with knowledge of the situation told the Guardian that the tweet, since deleted, said that the optimal way for the week to end would be for the royal family to all die on their way to the Queen’s funeral.
    In a separate tweet the fan asked whether he would be ejected from the stadium for booing during a minute’s silence, and joked that he would make a Nazi salute in Queen Elizabeth II’s honour. The club were tagged in all the messages.

    Personally I liked Prince Philip, great sense of humour.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    I liked him too. Both funny and a decent man. Weird how his son Charles is so humourless, if also actually a decent man.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  157. @keypusher
    @showmethereal


    When I asked what the real mood in Russia they say yes some are against military action – but the majority support Putin and if anything blame him for being too soft in dealing with the matter…. You can’t think I’m making it up – but I’m not.
     
    Oh, I believe you. Up until the point that it became clear that the U.S.'s own leadership had decided that the Vietnam war could not be won, there were more Americans saying "we need to nuke Hanoi" than "we need to get out." When the people of a proud nation find themselves losing a war against an enemy they thought was no match for them, the normal reaction is "we're not being ruthless enough." Even if, in reality, the problem is not Russia's/the USA's alleged gentleness, but rather incompetence, lack of motivation, and corruption.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Comparisons to the Vietnam war are nonsense. Russia is fighting at its front door with a basically token force up to this point. Why they never declared all out war I don’t know. Maybe it’s because they really never wanted to take over the whole Ukraine (in 3 days nonetheless) that the western media says. I recall Putins speech on the first day. Removing Nazis from Donbass and making Donbass safe for the ethnic Russians there is well on its way. The other objective he said was to remove the war making capability of Ukraine. He actually did that — except NATO is arming Ukraine – which maybe they didn’t anticipate. If come next February Russia is pushed out of Donbass- then what you are saying makes sense. But as of now – they have done what THEY said as opposed to what WESTERN MEDIA AND NATO said. This is not even Afghanistan when the INVITED Soviet Army eventually got pushed out by the same tribalists who just pushed out the “almighty USA” a year ago. The people of Donbass WANT to be part of Russia. I Can recall clearly when Crimea was glad to go back to Russia that Dobass requested the same thing and Putin said no. I recall clearly Russia offering passports and citizenship to any who wanted to leave to move to Russia. I recall many did but many others said they didn’t want to leave where their families had been for generations. I recall they then declared their independence- which Russia did NOT recognize. I recall Minsk and know that was a game and Ukraine would not be allowed by the west to keep the agreement. I recall Donbass people asking for years for Russian assistance militarily. To compare Donbass to Vietnam is complete nonsense. Russia has never said it wanted regime change or any other nonsense in Ukraine and they are not a half a world away or fighting religious tribalists who don’t want them there. Go watch independent videos of Mariupol… the same place the west claimed was a humanitarian disaster is almost back to normal now.

  158. About NS1 and NS2 sabotage. A very good pic on Ron’s article “American Pravda: Of Pipelines and Plagues”. Tells us all we need to know.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    About NS1 and NS2 sabotage. A very good pic on Ron’s article “American Pravda: Of Pipelines and Plagues”. Tells us all we need to know.
     
    Mr. Unz, is a fictionalist who personally fears me. I posted a good piece about how this could be an operational screwup not a conspiracy. His socks went yellow, he turned coward, and hid the on-topic truth be low the [MORE] tag.

    Judge for yourself:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-of-pipelines-and-plagues/#comment-5580207

    Why did he personally FEAR me and my post so much that a cover-up was required?
    ___

    One has to like him for running the site, but Mr. Damp Socks personal analytical skills are negligible to retrograde.

    His shilling for the CCP to cover-up WIV as source of the WUHAN-19 virus has been equally devoid of substance and integrity.

    PEACE 😇
  159. Bashibuzuk says:
    @German_reader
    @keypusher

    There's a lot of injustice and suffering in the world that the average Western normie couldn't give a fuck about, doesn't even know about (and for the record, I don't care much myself, I certainly wouldn't be willing to make any personal sacrifices for Yemenis or West Saharans). The outrage and enthusiasm for Ukraine among Westerners is manufactured, most people don't understand anything at all about the conflict, they just repeat the media narratives they're fed with, for purposes of virtue-signaling or a semi-hidden chauvinism, thinly veiled with liberal sentimentality. This was bad enough when it came to bombing a weak state like Serbia, but it's disastrous when it comes to dealing with a nuclear-armed power, closely linked to another nuclear-armed power which could intervene if there's a chance of Russia being permanently reduced.
    When one looks at pro-Ukrainian Twitter one encounters some pretty remarkable things...I've noticed at least some Westerners (no doubt thinking themselves to be good liberals) have now taken to calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers "Orcs", but Russians collectively (like "It's good the Baltic states don't want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization"). Maybe it takes a racist like me to notice the racial overtones in that, most normies seem to be quite hilariously lacking in understanding what they're actually implying.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Bashibuzuk, @Coconuts

    calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers “Orcs”, but Russians collectively (like “It’s good the Baltic states don’t want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization”). Maybe it takes a racist like me to notice the racial overtones in that, most normies seem to be quite hilariously lacking in understanding what they’re actually implying

    Well, LOTR was a thinly hidden message of Western superiority. In the book everything Southern or Eastern is bad, the more Western it gets – the better.

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    Many years ago, shortly after the fall of the USSR a few Russian Sci Fi / Fantasy writers had some fun rewriting the LOTR narrative from the Mordor/Orc-ish pov. In that inverted narrative, the Elves and Westerners/Numenorians were cunning, perfidious and obsessed with pushing an agenda of colonisation, depopulation and environmentally-friendly de-industrialization upon the poor peaceful orcs, trolls and other non-Western ethnicities of the Middle Earth. The Hobbits were useful idiot normies. Morgoth was a Prometheus-like figure and Sauron the title of a Great Imperial dynasty that reigned upon the highly civilized, industrious and multinational Mordor.

    I should re-read these books, they now look somewhat prescient.

    Bottom line: Orcs did nothing wrong, I have no problems being called an Orc by rainbow flag waiving Elves (but I would refuse eating their flesh, even if well cooked – these creatures are full of germs, monkey pox and all…)

    🙂

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Bashibuzuk


    Well, LOTR was a thinly hidden message of Western superiority. In the book everything Southern or Eastern is bad, the more Western it gets – the better.
     
    I thought the Shire was derivative of rural Southern England, like the countryside in Oxfordshire , and the mines of Mordor are based on industrial Northern England/Scotland and Wales, where the miners were kind of Orky looking when they came out of the pits in blackface.

    I didn't realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.

    Replies: @German_reader, @keypusher

  160. @Thorfinnsson
    @German_reader

    The Ukrainians have agency on their own, and in any case few countries recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea. Maybe the US can say it will refuse to transfer arms to the Ukraine if it invades the peninsula, but this strikes me as unlikely. An apparently victorious, advancing Ukrainian Army will acquire more support, and the Biden regime would be unlikely to refuse military assistance on these grounds lest it be denounced for weakness and stabbing the Ukraine in the back.

    From the Ukrainian point of view, this may be a moment akin to the 1918 Spring Offensive by the German Army on the Western Front. They now have superiority at the front, but the superiority will start to vanish next month as Russia mobilizes its superior resources. Thus it makes quite a lot of sense to throw everything into the battle right now in order to try and achieve a decision in the field.

    Indeed, it appears that this is exactly what they're doing. Ukrainian forces are advancing as far as they can, and according to the Kiev Independent the country has stop-lossed its whole army while delaying the intake of the next class of conscripts.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    They now have superiority at the front, but the superiority will start to vanish next month as Russia mobilizes its superior resources.

    This is a song that you’ve been singing since last February 24, and it’s starting to sound a bit hollow?…Ukrainian troops have met quality crack Russian troops since the beginning of the war, and even have been able to defeat them before the West really got interested in providing them with top quality weapons. Remember the complete shut down of the Russian 331st Guards Parachute Regiment during the fighting for Kyiv? IMHO, history will judge this battle as being among the most important losses for the Russian invaders. With close to 100,000 troops sent to the Kyiv area, you couldn’t really attribute the huge loss as one that occurred due to lack of troops, weapons, or lack of morale. I’d be interested in hearing your conclusions regarding this battle.

    So what makes you think that sending another 300,000 Russian ill supplied and trained “soldiers” (civilians) into this war, conscripted most likely without their desire to serve, into the battle is going to help turn the tide into a miraculous victory for Russia?

    Having said this, I’m glad to see that you’ve returned, once again! Somebody with as much military knowledge as you have, blogging here, is a always a plus.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @Mr. Hack

    Good to hear from you again, Mr. Hack.

    I have the good fortune to not have commented about this war here since the end of March. It looks like my last comment about it can be seen here:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-182-russia-ukraine/#comment-5251047

    It looks like I described Russia's progress as "slow" and noted the risks of escalation by the West. I did not anticipate the Ukrainian victory at Kiev.

    As for my take on the Battle of Kiev itself, my take is that Russian planning and logistics were a complete fiasco and that Ukrainian irregular forces were highly effective in amplifying these problems which allowed AFU to inflict sufficient damage and delay to Russian forces to cause overall operational failure.

    I don't think calling up 300,000 men will turn the tide of war, but I do think that it will stabilize the front. Since the war began the Ukraine has induced maybe 320,000 men into AFU whereas Russia has recruited around 80,000 volunteers. No one can seriously believe that Russia is enjoying a 4:1 casualty exchange ratio with the Ukraine, so the partial mobilization will just get Russia back to the roughly the manpower ratio which prevailed at the start of the war--when it invaded the Ukraine with 200,000 too few men.

    Russia will need to call up many more men in order to win the war. If the mobilization stays "partial", then I expect stalemate or an outright Russian defeat. The Ukraine has only mobilized around 10% of its military aged manpower, and while its state capacity is not high its top leadership has consistently been more determined and ruthless than Moscow.

    Igor Strelkov says Russia needs to call up another 300,000 still after this wave in order to ensure victory, and if Putin doesn't want to die in a Dutch prison cell he should consider exceeding that figure as well.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    I don’t think the Russians squeezed 100,000 troops into the immediate attack on Kiev. There wasn’t the physical space.

  161. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Latest autotranslated Strelkov with my own minor corrections:


    The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to “wind up” our front along the Oskol reservoir towards Svatovo. Information was received that the enemy today occupied the urban settlement of Borovaya and the village of Shiykovka. Our troops are withdrawing without a fight, which is caused by the impossibility of successfully defending this vast wooded area with the available forces.

    I remind you that in July and August I wrote "let's wait for October" and I was asked (including on this page): "what do you mean?" So, that's exactly what I meant. And what will happen in October next. Wasted months not possible to return. A few more weeks will pass, during which we will only be able to defend ourselves and "squeeze" back in controlled territories while the reserves being collected now (as part of the mobilization) will not be ready for use. And let God to do so that the enemy could fail to fully realize the significant advantage that he has now.
     
    https://vk.com/igoristrelkov?w=wall347260249_665199

    Replies: @sudden death

    Developing UA north advance in graphic form:

  162. @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW

    LatW, you know that I am no fan of Putin, but to be honest, the "project" that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.

    It was talked about already by some Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists during the late 1920ies. And it goes all the way back to the fight between Muscovy and Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the Commonwealth nearly ended up conquering Muscovy. The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.

    The Catholic/Uniate Ruthenian/Ukrainian elites have since often seen Muscovy as inherently backward and in deep need of reform and (ahem) administration (colonization really). The Papacy encouraged them in that view even publishing official proclamation to that effect.

    And more recently, the US and NATO has used this ideological superiority/victimhood complex of the Ukrainian elites to prepare them to fight against "Mordor" and its "orcs". Among the Western pundits who have worked in this sense was the late Brzezinski. He wrote on the subject and he knew the case quite well given his Polish ancestry and his early years in Kharkov and Moscow (IIRC his dad was among the Polish diplomatic personnel in these lands).

    His article written in 2011 and published in early 2012 (well before the Maidan) suggests reorganizing the Eurasian landmass under US patronage to stand against the Chinese rise up. And he floats the idea that Kiev might one day become the capital city of this federated Eurasia.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    So there is nothing new or revolutionary about Arestovitch's ideas.

    Same old, same old.

    They really think that they can reorganize to their benefit the Rus Realm (I think we have got here to a nice description for these lands in our collaborative effort both you and I). But they should ask how it worked for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, because that is how it will most probably look like in former RusFed territories once it crumbles. It will be as crazy as in 1918-1922, except that this time there would be more sophisticated weapons (including nuclear) around and lots of dirty industries ready to poison everything around for decades.

    That would be quite entertaining to observe from afar...

    🙂

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    the “project” that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.

    Of course, the “project” is old, what I meant is that he is only now speaking about it fully openly. I sense though that there could be some newer or “upgraded” version of it. The key would be to not “upgrade” it in the globohomo fashion.

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    The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.

    That mistake will be corrected.

    Plus, large masses of people are now secular so some other uniting ideology will need to be sought. Of course, you know that I support the revival of our old Faith as well.

    For those with open hearts, everything should be provided to the best ability. Above all – благо.

    Благо should be created and spread, and always come first, on top of all ideologies and as the goal of all efforts.

    He wrote on the subject and he knew the case quite well given his Polish ancestry

    Yea, I read pretty much everything he wrote / said years ago, but again, right now it just seems old fashioned. Come on, some old dudes from the Atlantic Council or some woke women from Georgetown are not going to push the Kyevans around. To some extent, maybe, but, as I said, these will not be the obedient and docile Estonians. And this is what I love about them. 😆

    The finance sector is really the most difficult part of this. And demographics. LOL. Yea, just those tiny little details.

    They really think that they can reorganize to their benefit the Rus Realm (I think we have got here to a nice description for these lands in our collaborative effort both you and I).

    Yes, thanks for that. See, we’re already thinking in the same direction. It could also be called “The Realm of the Rus” (might be grammatically more correct).

    it worked for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, because that is how it will most probably look like in former RusFed territories once it crumbles. It will be as crazy as in 1918-1922, except that this time there would be more sophisticated weapons (including nuclear) around and lots of dirty industries ready to poison everything around for decades.

    This is definitely one of the scenarios (even the weapons unleashed now are scary, frankly, shouldn’t be used in urban spaces). I know that the Russians will fight. The question is only how much.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW


    The key would be to not “upgrade” it in the globohomo fashion.
     
    Well, it would be difficult, especially that Arestovitch himself is a pure globohomo material (although who am I to judge other people's sexual inclinations - love is love etc.)


    Plus, large masses of people are now secular so some other uniting ideology will need to be sought. Of course, you know that I support the revival of our old Faith as well.
     
    I have come to believe that no project could succeed without something that is perceived as "valid metaphysics". Perception is very important and people need meaning in their lives (even Dmitry does 😋).

    Благо should be created and spread, and always come first, on top of all ideologies and as the goal of all efforts.
     
    Amen to that brother, amen to that! Buddhists often talk about accumuting and transferring merit. This is really what our world needs, to use an Avestan slogan of old: "Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds". This and healthy respect for our ancestors and lots of careful attention to the education of our offspring, the Old Faith plus some Theillard de Chardin Omega Point future metaphysical projections would probably be a good place to start. That way we could bridge the divide between Christianity and the Old Faith through Russian Cosmism. "From the roots, through the thorns, and to the stars. From the Old Sacred Groves to the Cosmic Theosis."

    Come on, some old dudes from the Atlantic Council or some woke women from Georgetown are not going to push the Kyevans around. To some extent, maybe, but, as I said, these will not be the obedient and docile Estonians. And this is what I love about them.
     
    It's true that Ukrainians are often even more passionaryi (to use Gumilyov's terminology, BTW it was his 110 birthday a couple of days ago). If someone finds Russians crazy, then this person will absolutely love Ukrainian character. I also like this part of their psychocultural identity although it sometimes leads to some truly gruesome violence.

    The finance sector is really the most difficult part of this. And demographics. LOL. Yea, just those tiny little details.
     
    Let's use MMT and White Shariah! (Just kidding 🙂) Perhaps we should ask Kadyrov how he gets by both financially and sexually. With Allah's help this guy has built a real dynasty in his little well financed Sultanate, although I doubt they will survive the coming years unscathed.

    I know that the Russians will fight. The question is only how much.

     

    I think the answer would be: a lot. And the saddest part is that they will fight mostly against each other. The Realm of Rus might well become the Realm of Death if not enough is done to rapidly stabilize the situation. I hope that this will not happen. I hope that some stability is rapidly achieved. BTW the Chinese won't be sitting quietly and waiting for it to finish. The Far East might well see some interesting moves.

    Replies: @LatW

  163. @Mr. Hack
    @Thorfinnsson


    They now have superiority at the front, but the superiority will start to vanish next month as Russia mobilizes its superior resources.
     
    This is a song that you've been singing since last February 24, and it's starting to sound a bit hollow?...Ukrainian troops have met quality crack Russian troops since the beginning of the war, and even have been able to defeat them before the West really got interested in providing them with top quality weapons. Remember the complete shut down of the Russian 331st Guards Parachute Regiment during the fighting for Kyiv? IMHO, history will judge this battle as being among the most important losses for the Russian invaders. With close to 100,000 troops sent to the Kyiv area, you couldn't really attribute the huge loss as one that occurred due to lack of troops, weapons, or lack of morale. I'd be interested in hearing your conclusions regarding this battle.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Russian_bombardment_of_Kyiv_TV_Tower.jpg/800px-Russian_bombardment_of_Kyiv_TV_Tower.jpg

    So what makes you think that sending another 300,000 Russian ill supplied and trained "soldiers" (civilians) into this war, conscripted most likely without their desire to serve, into the battle is going to help turn the tide into a miraculous victory for Russia?

    Having said this, I'm glad to see that you've returned, once again! Somebody with as much military knowledge as you have, blogging here, is a always a plus.

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson, @Wokechoke

    Good to hear from you again, Mr. Hack.

    I have the good fortune to not have commented about this war here since the end of March. It looks like my last comment about it can be seen here:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-182-russia-ukraine/#comment-5251047

    It looks like I described Russia’s progress as “slow” and noted the risks of escalation by the West. I did not anticipate the Ukrainian victory at Kiev.

    As for my take on the Battle of Kiev itself, my take is that Russian planning and logistics were a complete fiasco and that Ukrainian irregular forces were highly effective in amplifying these problems which allowed AFU to inflict sufficient damage and delay to Russian forces to cause overall operational failure.

    I don’t think calling up 300,000 men will turn the tide of war, but I do think that it will stabilize the front. Since the war began the Ukraine has induced maybe 320,000 men into AFU whereas Russia has recruited around 80,000 volunteers. No one can seriously believe that Russia is enjoying a 4:1 casualty exchange ratio with the Ukraine, so the partial mobilization will just get Russia back to the roughly the manpower ratio which prevailed at the start of the war–when it invaded the Ukraine with 200,000 too few men.

    Russia will need to call up many more men in order to win the war. If the mobilization stays “partial”, then I expect stalemate or an outright Russian defeat. The Ukraine has only mobilized around 10% of its military aged manpower, and while its state capacity is not high its top leadership has consistently been more determined and ruthless than Moscow.

    Igor Strelkov says Russia needs to call up another 300,000 still after this wave in order to ensure victory, and if Putin doesn’t want to die in a Dutch prison cell he should consider exceeding that figure as well.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Thorfinnsson

    Don't forget that in July the Ukrainian Defense Ministry announced that it was working towards amassing a million man army. I don't think that this figure was etched in stone, but on the other hand, I don't think that it was just bluster either. We know for certain that new conscripts are often taken to places like Great Britain or Poland to be trained for a reasonable amount of time, to be able to go into the battlefield fully cognizant of their responsibilities and able to handle the western type of weaponry that they're more often using.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  164. @Bashibuzuk
    @Dmitry


    It’s a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml
     
    Well, he was named "the mirror of the Russian revolution" for a reason.

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

     

    I agree that we should do it more and focus less on the unfortunate events unfolding in Ukraine. For many among us it is turning into an obsession for obvious reasons. There is more to life than this.

    Speaking of which:

    https://youtu.be/cIMKJ43TFLs

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yahya

    It’s a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    Well, he was named “the mirror of the Russian revolution” for a reason.

    Unfortunately, what was written in 1896, became more relevant today. Even with Poles and Armenians.

    I wonder what would be the penal sentence for the 1904 text if published today? http://tolstoy-lit.ru/tolstoy/publicistika/odumajtes.htm

    brave Wendat and Mohawk warriors scalping each other, while the Pale Faced settlers take their most fertile lands and inseminate the cutest of their squaws.)

    Well you know after the last 30 years a lot of the places in the postsoviet countries are not too different than the “Indian reservation”, with the lack of investment, loss of habitable jobs. There was no need for anyone to invade and scalp.

    But what is fatal for Native Americans, is in the loss of the traditional community and lifestyle. This is happening to everyone in the world, because of negative consequence of technological development and overpopulation. Although there are some cultures like Italians, Japanese, Spanish, which seem like they are more maintaining more continuity of their historical culture into the modern world compared to other nationalities.

  165. @Bashibuzuk
    @German_reader


    calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers “Orcs”, but Russians collectively (like “It’s good the Baltic states don’t want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization”). Maybe it takes a racist like me to notice the racial overtones in that, most normies seem to be quite hilariously lacking in understanding what they’re actually implying
     
    Well, LOTR was a thinly hidden message of Western superiority. In the book everything Southern or Eastern is bad, the more Western it gets - the better.



    Many years ago, shortly after the fall of the USSR a few Russian Sci Fi / Fantasy writers had some fun rewriting the LOTR narrative from the Mordor/Orc-ish pov. In that inverted narrative, the Elves and Westerners/Numenorians were cunning, perfidious and obsessed with pushing an agenda of colonisation, depopulation and environmentally-friendly de-industrialization upon the poor peaceful orcs, trolls and other non-Western ethnicities of the Middle Earth. The Hobbits were useful idiot normies. Morgoth was a Prometheus-like figure and Sauron the title of a Great Imperial dynasty that reigned upon the highly civilized, industrious and multinational Mordor.

    I should re-read these books, they now look somewhat prescient.

    Bottom line: Orcs did nothing wrong, I have no problems being called an Orc by rainbow flag waiving Elves (but I would refuse eating their flesh, even if well cooked - these creatures are full of germs, monkey pox and all...)

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Well, LOTR was a thinly hidden message of Western superiority. In the book everything Southern or Eastern is bad, the more Western it gets – the better.

    I thought the Shire was derivative of rural Southern England, like the countryside in Oxfordshire , and the mines of Mordor are based on industrial Northern England/Scotland and Wales, where the miners were kind of Orky looking when they came out of the pits in blackface.

    I didn’t realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    I didn’t realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.
     
    Haradrim and Easterlings. LOTR has long been accused of having a racist subtext. Which makes it all the more ironic that Westerners who imagine themselves to be in a battle against "fascism" (against people who themselves claim to be fighting "Nazis") now are referring to "Orcs". Pretty confusing.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @keypusher
    @Coconuts


    I didn’t realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.

     

    I like Tolkien, so I'm probably being overly defensive, but by his men of Harad, etc. I think Tolkien had in mind Ottoman Turks and Arabs from the days of Lepanto, not Russians. He had a very reactionary cast of mind. I agree with you about the orcs and miners/factory workers. The orcs have a sort of horrible debased English working-class speech in LOTR.

    Tolkien specifically denied that he was writing an allegory of the Cold War, which isn't necessarily probative I recognize.

    Anyone who is curious enough to spend a lot more time on this can listen to Tom Holland and Dominic Sandbrook's two-part "The Rest is History" podcast on Tolkien.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/225-j-r-r-tolkien/id1537788786?i=1000577613968

    Since the war began the Ukraine has induced maybe 320,000 men into AFU whereas Russia has recruited around 80,000 volunteers.
     
    @Thorfinnsson -- I feel like I have some handle on how many have fought on the Russian/Allied source, but I have heard wildly differing figures for the Ukrainians, going up to a million. How many did they start with? What is a good source for tracking what they have had over the course of the war?
  166. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @Bashibuzuk


    Well, LOTR was a thinly hidden message of Western superiority. In the book everything Southern or Eastern is bad, the more Western it gets – the better.
     
    I thought the Shire was derivative of rural Southern England, like the countryside in Oxfordshire , and the mines of Mordor are based on industrial Northern England/Scotland and Wales, where the miners were kind of Orky looking when they came out of the pits in blackface.

    I didn't realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.

    Replies: @German_reader, @keypusher

    I didn’t realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.

    Haradrim and Easterlings. LOTR has long been accused of having a racist subtext. Which makes it all the more ironic that Westerners who imagine themselves to be in a battle against “fascism” (against people who themselves claim to be fighting “Nazis”) now are referring to “Orcs”. Pretty confusing.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    There is probably some round about explanation as to why progressives are doing this in the name of anti-fascism and anti-racism. Possibly it's like in 2020 when ideas about white supremacy and white privilege first became more prominent, and there were questions about poor whites or white homeless drug addicts & c., whether they had white privilege and were upholding white supremacy.

    The conclusion was that they do, they enjoyed all the advantages of white privilege and white supremacy but squandered them and were now seeking to draw attention to themselves at the expense of blacks. Or other white people wanted to look at them rather than blacks, amounting to the same thing.

    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE's efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide. This is also why they are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @keypusher, @A123, @German_reader

  167. @Wokechoke
    @Here Be Dragon

    The Russian military are not much use more than 90 miles from a railhead. That's at least one of the reasons that it was preposterous that they could have completely overrun Ukraine. The other alamist thing was saying there was a total invasion with only 150,000 soldiers.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    The Russian military are not much use more than 90 miles from a railhead.

    If you mean infantry or artillery then it does not matter which military or what country, they all depend on logistics and therefore on proximity of railroads or airfields, or at least some regular roads.

    Other than that I cannot think of anything that might indicate that their military is of no use.

    Here is a page that you should take a look at.
    https://warsawinstitute.org/comparing-western-supplies-ukrainian-losses-war-russia/

    “The Warsaw Institute is a Polish-based geopolitical think tank.”

    The numbers of losses I assume to be understated, considering where the data comes from, and it is the data for the first four months so it should be perhaps doubled. The data does not include the demolished ammunition depots.

    And it still looks like the Russians are doing effective work.

    That’s at least one of the reasons that it was preposterous that they could have completely overrun Ukraine.

    Ukraine is a big country. It would require at least a million or perhaps even two million people to overrun it. You cannot move in with such an amount of people into a wasteland – where would they sleep? What would they eat?

    They will need to get ammunition supplied, and hospitals to be set up, and food and shelter to be prepared first of all. It would have been a disaster had they indeed decided to try a blitzkrieg.

    The Russians planned it from the beginning to establish a front line first and then prepare the needed infrustructure before mobilization.

    The other alarmist thing was saying there was a total invasion with only 150,000 soldiers.

    It was a propaganda gossip. As if they tried but failed. Failures, failures all the time – look at our trolls here. Hard-working people.

    Let us wait a couple of months. The winter is not going to be boring.

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    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @Here Be Dragon



    Ukraine is a big country. It would require at least a million or perhaps even two million people to overrun it. You cannot move in with such an amount of people into a wasteland – where would they sleep? What would they eat?

    They will need to get ammunition supplied, and hospitals to be set up, and food and shelter to be prepared first of all. It would have been a disaster had they indeed decided to try a blitzkrieg.

    The Russians planned it from the beginning to establish a front line first and then prepare the needed infrustructure before mobilization.
     
    https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX2581045.jpg

    Trust the plan
  168. @German_reader
    @keypusher

    There's a lot of injustice and suffering in the world that the average Western normie couldn't give a fuck about, doesn't even know about (and for the record, I don't care much myself, I certainly wouldn't be willing to make any personal sacrifices for Yemenis or West Saharans). The outrage and enthusiasm for Ukraine among Westerners is manufactured, most people don't understand anything at all about the conflict, they just repeat the media narratives they're fed with, for purposes of virtue-signaling or a semi-hidden chauvinism, thinly veiled with liberal sentimentality. This was bad enough when it came to bombing a weak state like Serbia, but it's disastrous when it comes to dealing with a nuclear-armed power, closely linked to another nuclear-armed power which could intervene if there's a chance of Russia being permanently reduced.
    When one looks at pro-Ukrainian Twitter one encounters some pretty remarkable things...I've noticed at least some Westerners (no doubt thinking themselves to be good liberals) have now taken to calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers "Orcs", but Russians collectively (like "It's good the Baltic states don't want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization"). Maybe it takes a racist like me to notice the racial overtones in that, most normies seem to be quite hilariously lacking in understanding what they're actually implying.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Bashibuzuk, @Coconuts

    I’ve noticed at least some Westerners (no doubt thinking themselves to be good liberals) have now taken to calling not just looting and raping Russian soldiers “Orcs”, but Russians collectively (like “It’s good the Baltic states don’t want to let in any orcs who are trying to dodge the mobilization”).

    Well, if the soldiers have white phenotype I suppose they are being good liberals. Don’t they believe that Putin is the leader of a global Fascist cabal and these soldiers are WN Fascists or something? I heard some senior academics at Yale explaining this in a talk at one point.

  169. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    You're correct in noting that I've taken a more laid back view of commenting here than usual, but I'm not laying underneath a saguaro tree trying to find some shade, it's that I've come down with what we used to call a "cold". A terrible frog has found a home in my throat, and I'm dousing it every few hours with a quarter vile of oregano/olive oil (wonderful stuff that I wholeheartedly recommend for this sort of thing). It's nice to be noticed by somebody of your stature here at this blog. Perhaps, you more than anybody else, has actively pursued keeping this blog a viable concern.


    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum

     

    Indeed. You and I went on and on once about the bus and rail systems of several cities in the world (photos and all). Well, the Phoenix Light rail system has continued to grow, you'll be happy to know.

    And there was our discussions comparing a Mozart vs a Beethoven piano concertos. I thought that I held up pretty well to your obviously more sophisticated approach to the subject.

    https://media.kjzz.org/s3fs-public/styles/special_story_images_aspect_switcher/public/metrocenter-light-rail-transit-center-rendering-20191007.jpg?itok=ypHnKTZB

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    My personal remedy for colds is a big pile of freshly grated ginger (1+ cup maybe?) along with a couple black tea bags in a quart or so of water.
    The resulting tea will be too strong to drink straight and will need to sweetened generously with honey. It’ll put the piss and vinegar back in a man!

    It’s the best remedy I have found though I haven’t tried the olive oil and oregano.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    Unfortunately, I got away from my juicing regimen during a recent trip back home for a month, and just haven't yet got back into it. I use generous amounts of ginger and a pinch of red jalapeno pepper too (fresh, about half of a pepper). I think that this would be a suitable substitute for the black tea and ginger concoction that you recommend (although I may try that too, since I just got my hands on a bunch of fresh ginger). By all means, look into the olive oil and oregano remedy. There's plenty of information about the effectiveness of oregano oil to be obtained from internet sources and studies. The reason that its cut with olive oil is that it's just too powerful to be taken on its own. Sometimes I purchase it already mixed, other times I mix my own with some pure oregano oil that I've obtained. I fill a dropper with about 6-7 drops and put it within my throat and let it go...IT's REALLY POWERUL MEDICINE!!!

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  170. @Coconuts
    @Bashibuzuk


    Well, LOTR was a thinly hidden message of Western superiority. In the book everything Southern or Eastern is bad, the more Western it gets – the better.
     
    I thought the Shire was derivative of rural Southern England, like the countryside in Oxfordshire , and the mines of Mordor are based on industrial Northern England/Scotland and Wales, where the miners were kind of Orky looking when they came out of the pits in blackface.

    I didn't realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.

    Replies: @German_reader, @keypusher

    I didn’t realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.

    I like Tolkien, so I’m probably being overly defensive, but by his men of Harad, etc. I think Tolkien had in mind Ottoman Turks and Arabs from the days of Lepanto, not Russians. He had a very reactionary cast of mind. I agree with you about the orcs and miners/factory workers. The orcs have a sort of horrible debased English working-class speech in LOTR.

    Tolkien specifically denied that he was writing an allegory of the Cold War, which isn’t necessarily probative I recognize.

    Anyone who is curious enough to spend a lot more time on this can listen to Tom Holland and Dominic Sandbrook’s two-part “The Rest is History” podcast on Tolkien.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/225-j-r-r-tolkien/id1537788786?i=1000577613968

    Since the war began the Ukraine has induced maybe 320,000 men into AFU whereas Russia has recruited around 80,000 volunteers.

    — I feel like I have some handle on how many have fought on the Russian/Allied source, but I have heard wildly differing figures for the Ukrainians, going up to a million. How many did they start with? What is a good source for tracking what they have had over the course of the war?

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  171. Bashibuzuk says:
    @LatW
    @Bashibuzuk


    the “project” that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.
     
    Of course, the "project" is old, what I meant is that he is only now speaking about it fully openly. I sense though that there could be some newer or "upgraded" version of it. The key would be to not "upgrade" it in the globohomo fashion.



    The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.
     
    That mistake will be corrected.

    https://vimeo.com/507710569

    Plus, large masses of people are now secular so some other uniting ideology will need to be sought. Of course, you know that I support the revival of our old Faith as well.

    For those with open hearts, everything should be provided to the best ability. Above all - благо.

    Благо should be created and spread, and always come first, on top of all ideologies and as the goal of all efforts.


    He wrote on the subject and he knew the case quite well given his Polish ancestry
     
    Yea, I read pretty much everything he wrote / said years ago, but again, right now it just seems old fashioned. Come on, some old dudes from the Atlantic Council or some woke women from Georgetown are not going to push the Kyevans around. To some extent, maybe, but, as I said, these will not be the obedient and docile Estonians. And this is what I love about them. 😆

    The finance sector is really the most difficult part of this. And demographics. LOL. Yea, just those tiny little details.


    They really think that they can reorganize to their benefit the Rus Realm (I think we have got here to a nice description for these lands in our collaborative effort both you and I).
     
    Yes, thanks for that. See, we're already thinking in the same direction. It could also be called "The Realm of the Rus" (might be grammatically more correct).

    it worked for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, because that is how it will most probably look like in former RusFed territories once it crumbles. It will be as crazy as in 1918-1922, except that this time there would be more sophisticated weapons (including nuclear) around and lots of dirty industries ready to poison everything around for decades.
     
    This is definitely one of the scenarios (even the weapons unleashed now are scary, frankly, shouldn't be used in urban spaces). I know that the Russians will fight. The question is only how much.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    The key would be to not “upgrade” it in the globohomo fashion.

    Well, it would be difficult, especially that Arestovitch himself is a pure globohomo material (although who am I to judge other people’s sexual inclinations – love is love etc.)

    [MORE]

    Plus, large masses of people are now secular so some other uniting ideology will need to be sought. Of course, you know that I support the revival of our old Faith as well.

    I have come to believe that no project could succeed without something that is perceived as “valid metaphysics”. Perception is very important and people need meaning in their lives (even Dmitry does 😋).

    Благо should be created and spread, and always come first, on top of all ideologies and as the goal of all efforts.

    Amen to that brother, amen to that! Buddhists often talk about accumuting and transferring merit. This is really what our world needs, to use an Avestan slogan of old: “Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds”. This and healthy respect for our ancestors and lots of careful attention to the education of our offspring, the Old Faith plus some Theillard de Chardin Omega Point future metaphysical projections would probably be a good place to start. That way we could bridge the divide between Christianity and the Old Faith through Russian Cosmism. “From the roots, through the thorns, and to the stars. From the Old Sacred Groves to the Cosmic Theosis.”

    Come on, some old dudes from the Atlantic Council or some woke women from Georgetown are not going to push the Kyevans around. To some extent, maybe, but, as I said, these will not be the obedient and docile Estonians. And this is what I love about them.

    It’s true that Ukrainians are often even more passionaryi (to use Gumilyov’s terminology, BTW it was his 110 birthday a couple of days ago). If someone finds Russians crazy, then this person will absolutely love Ukrainian character. I also like this part of their psychocultural identity although it sometimes leads to some truly gruesome violence.

    The finance sector is really the most difficult part of this. And demographics. LOL. Yea, just those tiny little details.

    Let’s use MMT and White Shariah! (Just kidding 🙂) Perhaps we should ask Kadyrov how he gets by both financially and sexually. With Allah’s help this guy has built a real dynasty in his little well financed Sultanate, although I doubt they will survive the coming years unscathed.

    I know that the Russians will fight. The question is only how much.

    I think the answer would be: a lot. And the saddest part is that they will fight mostly against each other. The Realm of Rus might well become the Realm of Death if not enough is done to rapidly stabilize the situation. I hope that this will not happen. I hope that some stability is rapidly achieved. BTW the Chinese won’t be sitting quietly and waiting for it to finish. The Far East might well see some interesting moves.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Bashibuzuk


    especially that Arestovitch himself is a pure globohomo material (although who am I to judge other people’s sexual inclinations – love is love etc.)
     
    Lol.... Well, I don't know what you're implying here, but I'm pretty sure he's straight.


    Yea, he dressed up as a chick once, but he tried to have an acting career and he's just that type who's a bit more delicate.

    From the Old Sacred Groves to the Cosmic Theosis.
     
    Very cool. We need everything - chthonic, celestial and metaphysical.

    If someone finds Russians crazy, then this person will absolutely love Ukrainian character. I also like this part of their psychocultural identity although it sometimes leads to some truly gruesome violence.
     
    I didn't mean to throw stereotypes around, especially since they're not always true - some of the UA leadership are very rational and are able to calculate coldly. And then combined with the passionariy it creates some real badassery. It needs to be well managed though.

    Let’s use MMT
     
    Modern Monetary Theory?

    White Shariah! (Just kidding 🙂)
     
    Sure, definitely worth exploring. But might be a bit hard knowing how our people sometimes are... it could be a good set up for those who want it. Also, special reproductive spaces could be created.

    Kadyrov how he gets by both financially and sexually. With Allah’s help this guy has built a real dynasty in his little well financed Sultanate, although I doubt they will survive the coming years unscathed.
     
    That's right, the money is from Allah. 🙂 Well, his case is a bit of an apex fallacy (it's commendable but it's not for everyone - besides we have our own customs although this set up was occasionally present with ancient Baltic families, albeit rarely). And the money definitely isn't his. It's the Russian or Chechen people's money. Besides what he seems to be practicing is not the traditional Chechen culture. Anyway... yea, he will go down together with Putin, both the FSB / Russian siloviks and the local Nohchi nationalists hate him. He's only safe with his little private army. Which is a cool thing to have, I'll give him that.

    And the saddest part is that they will fight mostly against each other. The Realm of Rus might well become the Realm of Death if not enough is done to rapidly stabilize the situation. I hope that this will not happen. I hope that some stability is rapidly achieved
     
    Doubt this is possible right now, not rapidly at least. Many will be passing into the land of Veles. Scary what the numbers could be. It feels like it's close to the culmination. Although Kirillo Budanov said the other day that there will be a lull in the winter and then the war will be completed next spring. But who knows.

    BTW the Chinese won’t be sitting quietly and waiting for it to finish. The Far East might well see some interesting moves.
     
    Yea, the Far East is interesting and kind of cool. Of course, they will take advantage. Btw, Mongolia is accepting some mogilization refugees from Buryatia. China could take on some protection of Mongolia and these Buryats in Mongolia.
  172. @Here Be Dragon
    @Wokechoke


    The Russian military are not much use more than 90 miles from a railhead.
     
    If you mean infantry or artillery then it does not matter which military or what country, they all depend on logistics and therefore on proximity of railroads or airfields, or at least some regular roads.

    Other than that I cannot think of anything that might indicate that their military is of no use.

    Here is a page that you should take a look at.
    https://warsawinstitute.org/comparing-western-supplies-ukrainian-losses-war-russia/

    "The Warsaw Institute is a Polish-based geopolitical think tank."

    The numbers of losses I assume to be understated, considering where the data comes from, and it is the data for the first four months so it should be perhaps doubled. The data does not include the demolished ammunition depots.

    And it still looks like the Russians are doing effective work.

    That’s at least one of the reasons that it was preposterous that they could have completely overrun Ukraine.
     
    Ukraine is a big country. It would require at least a million or perhaps even two million people to overrun it. You cannot move in with such an amount of people into a wasteland – where would they sleep? What would they eat?

    They will need to get ammunition supplied, and hospitals to be set up, and food and shelter to be prepared first of all. It would have been a disaster had they indeed decided to try a blitzkrieg.

    The Russians planned it from the beginning to establish a front line first and then prepare the needed infrustructure before mobilization.

    The other alarmist thing was saying there was a total invasion with only 150,000 soldiers.
     
    It was a propaganda gossip. As if they tried but failed. Failures, failures all the time – look at our trolls here. Hard-working people.

    Let us wait a couple of months. The winter is not going to be boring.

    https://i.postimg.cc/8k38grps/Western-supplies-and-Ukrainian-losses-in-the-war-against-Russia-1.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/rmmHvq7S/Western-supplies-and-Ukrainian-losses-in-the-war-against-Russia-2.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/qB9kXFCm/Western-supplies-and-Ukrainian-losses-in-the-war-against-Russia-3.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/dQdMvVLB/Western-supplies-and-Ukrainian-losses-in-the-war-against-Russia-4.jpg

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

    Ukraine is a big country. It would require at least a million or perhaps even two million people to overrun it. You cannot move in with such an amount of people into a wasteland – where would they sleep? What would they eat?

    They will need to get ammunition supplied, and hospitals to be set up, and food and shelter to be prepared first of all. It would have been a disaster had they indeed decided to try a blitzkrieg.

    The Russians planned it from the beginning to establish a front line first and then prepare the needed infrustructure before mobilization.

    Trust the plan

    • LOL: sudden death
  173. @Thorfinnsson
    @showmethereal

    Your understanding is not wrong, but ostensibly one of the objectives of Russian defense policy in the past decade was to be able to rapidly fight and win local wars in its "Near Abroad". Clearly the inability of the Russian Air Force to provide effective air defense suppression and close air support are inhibiting Russia's ability to fight and win this war.

    It should also been pointed out that Russia has had eight years to prepare for this war, but didn't. Then launched it anyway.

    Not very smart.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    I can’t speak to preparedness… But I do know again they aren’t using all their assets. I don’t understand why – but they aren’t. Frankly – I don’t trust western analysts to figure out why not. Russia could have easily been destroying things like railways and power sources en masse – but chose not to. Baffles me – but it’s not my country. I do know from hearing from Russians that I know that a place like Odessa would never be bombed to oblivion like NATO style fighting because it holds sentimental value to Russians. I can only speculate that may be the reason for other restraints- but I don’t want to make assumptions.

  174. @AnonfromTN
    About NS1 and NS2 sabotage. A very good pic on Ron’s article “American Pravda: Of Pipelines and Plagues”. Tells us all we need to know.

    Replies: @A123

    About NS1 and NS2 sabotage. A very good pic on Ron’s article “American Pravda: Of Pipelines and Plagues”. Tells us all we need to know.

    Mr. Unz, is a fictionalist who personally fears me. I posted a good piece about how this could be an operational screwup not a conspiracy. His socks went yellow, he turned coward, and hid the on-topic truth be low the [MORE] tag.

    Judge for yourself:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-of-pipelines-and-plagues/#comment-5580207

    Why did he personally FEAR me and my post so much that a cover-up was required?
    ___

    One has to like him for running the site, but Mr. Damp Socks personal analytical skills are negligible to retrograde.

    His shilling for the CCP to cover-up WIV as source of the WUHAN-19 virus has been equally devoid of substance and integrity.

    PEACE 😇

  175. @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal


    Did Armenia ask for CSTO assistance??
     
    Yes, and Russia did nothing. Instead, RT had an article from a leading "thinker" arguing how alliances are modern and for Westerners and not for true Russians.

    And how do you know the condition in Kaliningrad?
     
    Russian reports! And you can bet Western intelligence knows too.

    As to the second hypothesis- I think you watch too many cowboys or Rambo movies. War isn’t like that.
     
    I know exactly what war is like. And conducting it successfully, in a modern way, requires years of consistent training, logistics and institutional building. This is all expensive and requires a high degree of internal transparency to be effective.

    Ukraine seems to have been able to perform a miracle and do this in 7 months, if admittedly at a smaller scale.

    But it is clear that Russia has failed at it for 20 years, and isn't going to suddenly learn now.

    You, someone who has no clue, are talking to someone with the experience to know. You can choose to try to understand or not, but please notice the difference in our replies. I mention things you probably never even thought about, despite them being very basic to any professional. You talk about cowboys and Indians.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Where is the official request of Armenia for CSTO assistance like Kazhaks made and received? Show me the OFFICIAL request and not political punditry.

    Where are the official Russian reports stating Kaliningrad is in the state you claim. I remember only a few years ago the US rehearsing cruise missile strikes on the region – under fear of the S-400 being active there. So please show us these supposed intelligence reports. Are they the same analysts that said it would take at least a year for the Taliban to take back Afghanistan of the US withdrew??

    And tell me what war you successfully prosecuted…. This ought to be interesting. Don’t tell me Iraq because I can introduce you to some veterans of that supposed overwhelming US victory who suffer from PTSD to this day when they had to dig their boots in the ground and there were no more flashy “shock and awe” videos to show the public and after Bush declare victory on that aircraft carrier.

    You are absolutely correct that I do NOT know the minutiae of military doctrine and tactics. But my IQ is enough to know that there is no miracle performed by Ukraine when the whole reason for the war – Donbass (not to mention Kherson) – is almost entirely under Russian control with a much smaller force than the Ukrainians have. I have seen real miracles in life. That is not a miracle. Unless you really believe western propaganda that Russia was trying to take the whole of Ukraine. The most fervent Russians I have never even heard make that claim. The only thing I ever heard them say is that Russia would keep going along the same line from Kherson to Odessa and then Transnistria. Whether that happens or not – or are even in the official plans I do not know. But claiming Ukraine who has been training with NATO for many years now and lost 20% of its territory to a much smaller force is not a miracle in any way shape or form. Cowboy and Rambo movies make more sense than that.

  176. @Bashibuzuk
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Yes, I think along the same lines. Instead of going to the stars, we might well end just killing each other and perhaps eating each other on this planet. It is not technological advances that will kill us, we would probably use these advances to kill human civilization. In fact, some of these advances shouldn't have been made by people of unsound ethical standards. Ethics matter in the end.

    Replies: @Mikel

    In fact, some of these advances shouldn’t have been made by people of unsound ethical standards.

    I used to have a big dislike of American anti-Iranian hawks but after seeing the possibility of nuclear war closer than at any other time in my life, I’m not sure anymore. The world is objectively a better place when the minimum amount of ideological and religious nutters control that kind of weapons. Perhaps preventing nuclear proliferation would be one of the few instances where military interventionism is justified.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    I used to have a big dislike of American anti-Iranian hawks but after seeing the possibility of nuclear war closer than at any other time in my life
     
    If it had been merely about preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, those hawks wouldn't have done everything in their power to destroy the nuclear agreement. If anything, they've made it more likely that Iran will soon have its own nuclear weapons, there isn't much incentive not to do so, because Iran will be under extreme sanctions anyway. Russia also doesn't have much reason anymore to restrain Iran in this regard now that the break with the West is probably irreversible.
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    The world is objectively a better place when the minimum amount of ideological and religious nutters control that kind of weapons.
     
    To the best of my knowledge so far only one country used nukes against humans. It was (and is) controlled by nutters, but not ideological and religious ones. Just greedy scum.
  177. “Ambassador” Melnyk tells Elon Musk to fuck off:

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Bashibuzuk, LatW
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    That's what happens when you offer "peace" in the heat of ongoing advance, lol

    And in the other news - RF just got out of Dudchany in Kherson north, means UA is moving further there.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

  178. @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    My personal remedy for colds is a big pile of freshly grated ginger (1+ cup maybe?) along with a couple black tea bags in a quart or so of water.
    The resulting tea will be too strong to drink straight and will need to sweetened generously with honey. It'll put the piss and vinegar back in a man!

    It's the best remedy I have found though I haven't tried the olive oil and oregano.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Unfortunately, I got away from my juicing regimen during a recent trip back home for a month, and just haven’t yet got back into it. I use generous amounts of ginger and a pinch of red jalapeno pepper too (fresh, about half of a pepper). I think that this would be a suitable substitute for the black tea and ginger concoction that you recommend (although I may try that too, since I just got my hands on a bunch of fresh ginger). By all means, look into the olive oil and oregano remedy. There’s plenty of information about the effectiveness of oregano oil to be obtained from internet sources and studies. The reason that its cut with olive oil is that it’s just too powerful to be taken on its own. Sometimes I purchase it already mixed, other times I mix my own with some pure oregano oil that I’ve obtained. I fill a dropper with about 6-7 drops and put it within my throat and let it go...IT’s REALLY POWERUL MEDICINE!!!

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    I've heard about the anti-bacterial properties of Oregano and just read up on it a bit more. It does sound like some potent stuff! Thanks for the tip on that, I'll definitely look up some locally and give it a try.

    I find the ginger quite energizing; it picks up a fatigued system quite well, as well as having it's own notable anti-viral and antibiotic properties. If you try it I find it's essential to drink it hot for maximum benefit. I think the oils in the ginger are more potent and aromatic or something.

  179. @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal


    It was Putin who caused the coup in 2014?
     
    Putin's guy was Yanukovych. Yanukovych, by being awful, was more responsible for him getting kicked out than anyone.

    It was Putin who gave ultra nationalists and banned Russian language and culture in Donbass?
     
    It is clear that Russia invaded in 2014. And invading a country predictably turns its people against you and things they associate with you, and can push them to extremes in that regard.

    It was Putin who kept expanding NATO closer and closer?
     
    Those countries chose, under popular demand, to join NATO. They did this because they were rightfully scared that otherwise Putin or Russia might invade them.

    NATO will seek to crush anyone who does not bow to their agenda.
     
    False. Russia was under no threat of military invasion. Or being "crushed."

    Also, please understand that events are multi-factorial and that obviously there were others things influencing how all this turned out, but it is a ridiculous delusion to contend that Putin dindu nuffin.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Are you posting under aliases? Or you can read the other posters mind?

    Ahh yes so you believe Russia was going to invade all the former Soviet countries but NATO is a saint. Serbia and Libya and Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan would disagree (which doesn’t include other U.S. adventures). And it is an absolute reality that Russia was in the process of being economically dismantled when western companies went in their to raid. The only thing that saved Russia from military intervention is its nuclear Arsenal. If not for that it would have been carved up years ago when it was weakened

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @showmethereal

    Head Girl, Monitor of Halls and keeper of the Jolly Hockeysticks at St Elizabeth’s of Truss, she’s probably steaming open the exam answers while dobbing on the kids who go into town.

    It’s pretty fucking obvious that Russia is being dismantled.

  180. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @Bashibuzuk


    In fact, some of these advances shouldn’t have been made by people of unsound ethical standards.
     
    I used to have a big dislike of American anti-Iranian hawks but after seeing the possibility of nuclear war closer than at any other time in my life, I'm not sure anymore. The world is objectively a better place when the minimum amount of ideological and religious nutters control that kind of weapons. Perhaps preventing nuclear proliferation would be one of the few instances where military interventionism is justified.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AnonfromTN

    I used to have a big dislike of American anti-Iranian hawks but after seeing the possibility of nuclear war closer than at any other time in my life

    If it had been merely about preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, those hawks wouldn’t have done everything in their power to destroy the nuclear agreement. If anything, they’ve made it more likely that Iran will soon have its own nuclear weapons, there isn’t much incentive not to do so, because Iran will be under extreme sanctions anyway. Russia also doesn’t have much reason anymore to restrain Iran in this regard now that the break with the West is probably irreversible.

  181. @Thorfinnsson
    @Mr. Hack

    Good to hear from you again, Mr. Hack.

    I have the good fortune to not have commented about this war here since the end of March. It looks like my last comment about it can be seen here:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-182-russia-ukraine/#comment-5251047

    It looks like I described Russia's progress as "slow" and noted the risks of escalation by the West. I did not anticipate the Ukrainian victory at Kiev.

    As for my take on the Battle of Kiev itself, my take is that Russian planning and logistics were a complete fiasco and that Ukrainian irregular forces were highly effective in amplifying these problems which allowed AFU to inflict sufficient damage and delay to Russian forces to cause overall operational failure.

    I don't think calling up 300,000 men will turn the tide of war, but I do think that it will stabilize the front. Since the war began the Ukraine has induced maybe 320,000 men into AFU whereas Russia has recruited around 80,000 volunteers. No one can seriously believe that Russia is enjoying a 4:1 casualty exchange ratio with the Ukraine, so the partial mobilization will just get Russia back to the roughly the manpower ratio which prevailed at the start of the war--when it invaded the Ukraine with 200,000 too few men.

    Russia will need to call up many more men in order to win the war. If the mobilization stays "partial", then I expect stalemate or an outright Russian defeat. The Ukraine has only mobilized around 10% of its military aged manpower, and while its state capacity is not high its top leadership has consistently been more determined and ruthless than Moscow.

    Igor Strelkov says Russia needs to call up another 300,000 still after this wave in order to ensure victory, and if Putin doesn't want to die in a Dutch prison cell he should consider exceeding that figure as well.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Don’t forget that in July the Ukrainian Defense Ministry announced that it was working towards amassing a million man army. I don’t think that this figure was etched in stone, but on the other hand, I don’t think that it was just bluster either. We know for certain that new conscripts are often taken to places like Great Britain or Poland to be trained for a reasonable amount of time, to be able to go into the battlefield fully cognizant of their responsibilities and able to handle the western type of weaponry that they’re more often using.

    • Agree: Thorfinnsson
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mr. Hack

    To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?

    Time is running out, throwing everything at the Russians and sustaining disproportionate casualties is just hastening that. A few towns here and there won't change that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @keypusher

  182. @German_reader
    "Ambassador" Melnyk tells Elon Musk to fuck off:

    https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij/status/1576977000178208768?cxt=HHwWgMCqqb-OxuIrAAAA

    Replies: @sudden death

    That’s what happens when you offer “peace” in the heat of ongoing advance, lol

    And in the other news – RF just got out of Dudchany in Kherson north, means UA is moving further there.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    That’s what happens when you offer “peace” in the heat of ongoing advance, lol
     
    Melnyk was always like this, he won't change even if Ukraine's advance gets stuck or is beaten back. He's an ideologue who thinks nothing but total victory could ever be acceptable. He's entitled to that view, but the way he's trying to restrict debate in Western countries is unacceptable. It's time someone told him to fuck off, permanently.
    , @Mikel
    @sudden death


    And in the other news – RF just got out of Dudchany in Kherson north, means UA is moving further there.
     
    The speed at which the Ukrainians advance once they break the front is remarkable, especially compared to the snail pace of the Russians when they were still able to advance in Donbas. It's actually becoming a sh!tshow. They are retreating on two fronts simultaneously (one of them in Donbass no less) while they keep trying and failing to storm... Bakhmut. There doesn't seem to be any coherent plan at the top echelons. If the Ukrainians succeed in breaking a new front in Zaporizhia, the rout could have epic proportions. I hope they have a plan in Washington on what to do if the Ukrainians are too successful and the Kremlin is left only with extreme choices.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LondonBob

  183. @Mikel
    @Bashibuzuk


    In fact, some of these advances shouldn’t have been made by people of unsound ethical standards.
     
    I used to have a big dislike of American anti-Iranian hawks but after seeing the possibility of nuclear war closer than at any other time in my life, I'm not sure anymore. The world is objectively a better place when the minimum amount of ideological and religious nutters control that kind of weapons. Perhaps preventing nuclear proliferation would be one of the few instances where military interventionism is justified.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AnonfromTN

    The world is objectively a better place when the minimum amount of ideological and religious nutters control that kind of weapons.

    To the best of my knowledge so far only one country used nukes against humans. It was (and is) controlled by nutters, but not ideological and religious ones. Just greedy scum.

  184. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    That's what happens when you offer "peace" in the heat of ongoing advance, lol

    And in the other news - RF just got out of Dudchany in Kherson north, means UA is moving further there.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    That’s what happens when you offer “peace” in the heat of ongoing advance, lol

    Melnyk was always like this, he won’t change even if Ukraine’s advance gets stuck or is beaten back. He’s an ideologue who thinks nothing but total victory could ever be acceptable. He’s entitled to that view, but the way he’s trying to restrict debate in Western countries is unacceptable. It’s time someone told him to fuck off, permanently.

  185. @Bashibuzuk
    @Dmitry


    It’s a romantic explanation and maybe in these unhappy days we must read such a representative http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml
     
    Well, he was named "the mirror of the Russian revolution" for a reason.

    Can you remember there are many themes we oldtimers used to discuss in the forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ.

     

    I agree that we should do it more and focus less on the unfortunate events unfolding in Ukraine. For many among us it is turning into an obsession for obvious reasons. There is more to life than this.

    Speaking of which:

    https://youtu.be/cIMKJ43TFLs

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yahya

    Speaking of which:

    Are you familiar with Turkish Classical Music?

    [MORE]

    It’s one of my favorite musical genres. Like many other foreign genres, it took me a bit of time to familiarize my ear to Turkish music, which is fairly peculiar given its resemblance to Arabic music. On the other hand, there are some distinct differences between the two despite their similarity on a world scale.

    Both Turkish and Arabic music are based on the maqam/makam system, which can roughly be translated as modes in the Western system. Each maqam is built on a scale, and carries a tradition that defines its habitual phrases, important notes, melodic development and modulation. The Maqam system is distinct however from Western modes in that it only defines the pitches and patterns of a piece of music without outlining the rhythmic component. This allows for the rhythmic improvisation typical of Middle Eastern music.

    Turkish music is different in that they utilize a wider range of maqams (100+) than Arabic music (9-10), and split tones into 9 comas rather than 4, allowing for microtones smaller than quarter tones. Turkish music primarily utilizes the scales derived from the Husseini maqam, whereas Arabic music derives its scales from the Kurdi, Ajam, Nahawand, and Hijaz maqams. In terms of instruments both Turkish and Arabic music make use of the qanun, oud and ney (far more so than Greeks and Iranians), but Turks have the tambur, kemençe and saz which are not typically used by Arabs.

    This is my favorite song Kalamis by Münir Nurettin Selçuk:

    It’s fairly peculiar in its lack of texture and instrumental minimalism. But it works well since it allows Selçuk’s voice to stand out and enhances the connection between the musician and listener. Contrast this with choral music from the Western system, like Palestrina’s works for example, whose polyphony is intellectually interesting, but loses the personal touch of monophonic music. Of course this style of music depends greatly on the quality of the singer’s voice to carry the melody on his/her own without much aid from the instruments. The female background accompaniment also provides a nice contrast to the male singers low-pitched voice.

    I believe most of the eminent singers of Turkish classical music were male in the 20th century, which is disappointing for me as I prefer the female voice. Fortunately, most of the 21st century performers carrying on the legacy of Turkish classical music are females, and they mostly sing cover versions of older songs, with better orchestration and sound engineering. My favorites being Elif Güreşçi, Mine Gellici, Yaprak Sayar, and Selva Erdener. Though I suppose in the 20th century there was at least a couple of great female singers like Melahet Pars and Saime Sinan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4To4K7EkQ&ab_channel=RECEPGAYRETL%C4%B0

    Sadly younger Turks don’t seem much interested in this type of music anymore. The performers I mentioned above barely get 100,000 views on Youtube if they are lucky. Yaprak Sayar has tried to gain a wider audience by combining Turkish classical songs with background jazz instrumentals, but i’m not sure if it can retain its essence and character with Western style instrumentals. But this is the chief predicament Turks have been dealing with since the downfall of the Ottoman Empire.

    Ataturk tried to encourage Turks to take up Western classical music by establishing musical conservatories and sending Turks to study abroad, with some fruits given the “Turkish Five” developed out of these initiatives. But as usual, the vast majority of Turks outside of the secular urban centers did not and still do not want to listen to that stuff. Shortly after Ataturk’s government banned traditional Turkish music from being aired on the Turkish airwaves, there were records of Turks calling into radio stations in Egypt and the rest of the Middle East requesting Arabic renditions of Turkish songs they were used to listening to. Eventually in the 1970s a sub-genre called Arabesque developed directly as a consequence of this event because Turks had acquired a taste for Arabic-style melodies.

    Incidentally, I like some of the stuff produced by the “Turkish Five”. This is a variation on a famous Istanbul folk song by Cemal Reşit Rey, which should familiar to fans of Rimsky-Korsakov:

    But still Western classical music composed by Turks doesn’t seem to interest anyone either inside or outside of Turkey. Turkish classical music seems to be heading in that direction also, as I mentioned above. I think only Turkish folk music is listened to nowadays, alongside of course the mechanical, localized version of global pop music which can be found anywhere in the world today.

    Arabic classical music has survived better in that regard, people still listen to Umm Kulthum and Sabah Fakhry, though they too will diminish in due time. There were several Arab composers of Western classical music in the 20th century actually, such as Dia Succari, Gamal Abdel-Rehim, Aziz El-Shewan, Youssef Khasho and Solhi Al-Wadi; but likewise very few in the Arab world seem to care much for Western classical music. In Iran the two great classical singers Marzieh and Gholam-Hossein Banan have fallen into neglect, but I suppose are being replaced by instrumentalists such as Hossein Alizadeh and Kayhan Kalhoor.

    The best contemporary practitioner of Arabic-Turkish classical music is a Lebanese lady operating from Montreal, Canada called Lamia Yared. Here you can see her on the oud, playing alongside the talented Turkish qanunist Didem Basar:

    Doesn’t seem to get much views unfortunately.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Yahya

    Thank you so much for this introduction to the Turkish classical music. I was completely unaware of how exquisite it was. I especially enjoyed the last video. Lovely!

    I really don't know much about Turkish music, and my knowledge of MENA music is also limited to some well known Maghrebi songs, although I remember my parents listening to Feiruz when I was young. They had a lot of "exotic" music at home at a time when in USSR just having access to Western Jazz or Rock music was an uneasy task (my dad was a great fan of Otis Redding and other Soul singers).

    I have found the Ozgur Baba song by pure chance, while listening to some traditional Uyghur music on YouTube. Probably the algorithm had them connected through the "traditional Turkic music" keywords.

    Have you ever listened to Uyghur music?

    It is a world in itself on the crossroads of Central Asia, well worth exploring.



    The ballad below is very powerful (notice the use of Turkic runes in the subtitles).

    https://youtu.be/YWyW_o17RMg

    This song is very ancient, it is the story of Turkic ancestoral Gray Wolves in the Ergenikon valleys of the Altai mountains.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon

    Regarding the young people not being interested in their ancestors' music, it is true everywhere. For example, many Russian youth would gladly listen to some US Gangsta Rap or to Russian Hip hop wannabees, but won't be interested in the traditional Russian songs or heroic Rus ballads (byliny).

    Youths mainly seek fashion and thrill, mature people seek wisdom and beauty.

    C'est la vie...

    Replies: @Yahya

  186. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    Would you say that tremendous global interest in the death of the Queen, with it being a common and 99% respectful obsession, from Brazil to Thailand, was manufactured?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra

    The Queen has been known to virtually every person on earth for generations so naturally there was interest in her death. Most Westerners with Ukraine flags in their bios etc know piss all about Ukraine beyond what the MSM & social media tells them.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Matra


    Most Westerners with Ukraine flags in their bios etc know piss all about Ukraine
     
    Count that as a blessing. Knowing more about present-day Ukraine would make you puke.
  187. @Matra
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Queen has been known to virtually every person on earth for generations so naturally there was interest in her death. Most Westerners with Ukraine flags in their bios etc know piss all about Ukraine beyond what the MSM & social media tells them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Most Westerners with Ukraine flags in their bios etc know piss all about Ukraine

    Count that as a blessing. Knowing more about present-day Ukraine would make you puke.

  188. @Mr. Hack
    @Thorfinnsson

    Don't forget that in July the Ukrainian Defense Ministry announced that it was working towards amassing a million man army. I don't think that this figure was etched in stone, but on the other hand, I don't think that it was just bluster either. We know for certain that new conscripts are often taken to places like Great Britain or Poland to be trained for a reasonable amount of time, to be able to go into the battlefield fully cognizant of their responsibilities and able to handle the western type of weaponry that they're more often using.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?

    Time is running out, throwing everything at the Russians and sustaining disproportionate casualties is just hastening that. A few towns here and there won’t change that.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    A few towns here and there won’t change that.
     
    Learning from the overlords: when you are defeated, declare victory and leave.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    What rock have you been sleeping under? The US just approved another 1.1 billion in military aid to Ukraine, on top of the 3 billion in aid already approved in August. It looks like it's a pay as you go plan, the better you do, the more in funds and weapons you get.

    , @keypusher
    @LondonBob

    "To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?"

    Courtesy of Thorfinnsson, hope I did the link correctly:


    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden’s veto are approximately zero.

     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5580342

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

  189. @LondonBob
    @Mr. Hack

    To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?

    Time is running out, throwing everything at the Russians and sustaining disproportionate casualties is just hastening that. A few towns here and there won't change that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @keypusher

    A few towns here and there won’t change that.

    Learning from the overlords: when you are defeated, declare victory and leave.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Learning from the overlords: when you are defeated, declare victory and leave.
     
    A typical Russian response to all of the retreating that they are doing today. :-)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  190. @LondonBob
    @Mr. Hack

    To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?

    Time is running out, throwing everything at the Russians and sustaining disproportionate casualties is just hastening that. A few towns here and there won't change that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @keypusher

    What rock have you been sleeping under? The US just approved another 1.1 billion in military aid to Ukraine, on top of the 3 billion in aid already approved in August. It looks like it’s a pay as you go plan, the better you do, the more in funds and weapons you get.

  191. @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    A few towns here and there won’t change that.
     
    Learning from the overlords: when you are defeated, declare victory and leave.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Learning from the overlords: when you are defeated, declare victory and leave.

    A typical Russian response to all of the retreating that they are doing today. 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    Russian response to all of the retreating that they are doing today
     
    What planet are you on? Just curious.

    Replies: @216, @Mr. Hack

  192. @LondonBob
    @Mr. Hack

    To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?

    Time is running out, throwing everything at the Russians and sustaining disproportionate casualties is just hastening that. A few towns here and there won't change that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @keypusher

    “To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?”

    Courtesy of Thorfinnsson, hope I did the link correctly:

    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden’s veto are approximately zero.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5580342

    • Replies: @A123
    @keypusher


    “To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?”

    Courtesy of Thorfinnsson, hope I did the link correctly:


    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden’s veto are approximately zero.
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5580342
     
    WW II Lend-Lease was a huge flow to Europe because Congress turned on the taps to build Liberty Ships, and the goods to go in them.

    The 2023 situation will be radically different:

    • Can Not-The-President Biden "Lend" things that do not exist?
    • Can the White House occupant "Lease" weapons off of empty shelves?

    Ultimately, Congress has to Appropriate funds to buy. Again, funding for Kiev aggression will not go to $0.00. However, every bill will have MAGA 'must-spend' line items that SJW Globalists like Ilhan Omar and Rashid Tlaib will abhor. For, example:

    -- $30B U.S. Border security
    -- $  3B Lend Lease Ukie munitions

    MAGA needs money for domestic priorities. And, the long history of U.S. budgeting (as actually practiced) shows that the easiest line items to raid are funds dedicated to foreign efforts. The idea that the proverbial blank check will continue to be available is absurd, bordering on delusional.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @keypusher

    , @LondonBob
    @keypusher

    Not enough, the US is in very bad shape economically and the cost to prop up the Ukraine is only increasing.

    Things are going to look very bad militarily once the Russian forces stop fighting at a significant disadvantage in manpower.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  193. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Learning from the overlords: when you are defeated, declare victory and leave.
     
    A typical Russian response to all of the retreating that they are doing today. :-)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Russian response to all of the retreating that they are doing today

    What planet are you on? Just curious.

    • Replies: @216
    @AnonfromTN

    This is what honor cultures do, they don't admit guilt, they deny it to avoid the shame, confident that their "face" has not been besmirched.

    State-run media doesn't have a monopoly here. Here you can't cover up the Molotov-Rippentrop Pact, the Katyn massacre, the mass rapes committed by the Red Army, the failure of the N-1 rocket, rampant oligarchical corruption and the front line collapsing as we speak.

    That is not the Western way, we show our guilt, often too excessively. We learn from our mistakes, we mourn the loss of Apollo 1, the Challenger and the Columbia. When the US military commits war crimes, it becomes a major scandal, even if the perpetrators are sometimes not punished enough.

    The Western way is superior, and American exceptionalism is very real. Even in its degenerated state, GAYTO is wiping the floor with the Krokodil brigades.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Bashibuzuk

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian troops continue to retreat again today (10/03). Check your sources, Professor.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  194. Guess UA might get some too for the real battlefield testing;)

    OCTOBER 3, 2022
    Northrop Grumman has completed the production and delivery of 100,000 precision guidance kits (PGK) to the US Army.

    The PGKs transform conventional 155-millimeter artillery projectiles into GPS-guided weapons, increasing their accuracy.

    According to the company, the kits have a safety feature that prevents detonation if the PGK predicts that the projectile will exceed the selected miss distance.

    They will soon be equipped with a GPS M-Code to protect the PGKs from jamming.

    Once deployed, the 100,000 PGKs are expected to provide the army with superior firing accuracy on the battlefield.

    https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/10/03/northrop-precision-kits-us-army/

  195. The US Right is fed up with RF military incompetence, Putin’s Third Worldism, and Karlin’s threat to destroy our satellites.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @216


    and Karlin’s threat to destroy our satellites.
     
    Bwahahaha !

    I wonder how Tolik is gonna do that, perhaps he will be hitchhiking on some Norc ballistic missile purchased by Pynya and then use a slingshot...

    (Sorry, couldn't help myself...)

    BTW, someone should ask AK whether he's still in RusFed. Maybe if he's still stuck there, he could volunteer to the frontline. They probably need fully bilingual English speaking Russian citizens there, although NATO probably uses encrypted communications, unlike the heroic Russian army which doesn't give a damn about the enemy eavesdropping on its communications...

    Just to make it clear, if it was true Russia fighting - and not Pynya's RusFed - I would go back home and try to make myself useful. But then again, if not for Pynya and his RusFedian system - there would be today no war in Ukraine. Anyway, Tolik always wrote that RusFed is great and Pynya is okay. So he would normally find no moral qualms in fighting for the system and its leader.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @German_reader

  196. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    Russian response to all of the retreating that they are doing today
     
    What planet are you on? Just curious.

    Replies: @216, @Mr. Hack

    This is what honor cultures do, they don’t admit guilt, they deny it to avoid the shame, confident that their “face” has not been besmirched.

    State-run media doesn’t have a monopoly here. Here you can’t cover up the Molotov-Rippentrop Pact, the Katyn massacre, the mass rapes committed by the Red Army, the failure of the N-1 rocket, rampant oligarchical corruption and the front line collapsing as we speak.

    That is not the Western way, we show our guilt, often too excessively. We learn from our mistakes, we mourn the loss of Apollo 1, the Challenger and the Columbia. When the US military commits war crimes, it becomes a major scandal, even if the perpetrators are sometimes not punished enough.

    The Western way is superior, and American exceptionalism is very real. Even in its degenerated state, GAYTO is wiping the floor with the Krokodil brigades.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @216

    It really isn't the Western way, not really sure what your background is to make such a weird claim, part of the culture of critique, as Kevin MacDonald called it.

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @216


    That is not the Western way, we show our guilt, often too excessively.
     
    This is hilariously self-centered.

    Are you real or is this some joke ?

    🙂

  197. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    Russian response to all of the retreating that they are doing today
     
    What planet are you on? Just curious.

    Replies: @216, @Mr. Hack

    Russian troops continue to retreat again today (10/03). Check your sources, Professor.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    Do simple math (it used to be 2nd grade in Soviet school, it is 2-3rd grade in schools in Nigeria, so maybe high school in the US). On the assumption that situation develops linearly calculate how long it’s going to take Ukies to get back the territory they lost since February. I am not even talking about the territories Ukraine lost in 2014.

    You won’t need higher math, which takes into account that real situations never develop linearly and that Russia is in the middle of mobilizing ~1% of those it can, whereas Ukraine has already mobilized everyone who did not manage to run away or bribe some officials, including quite a few 60-year olds and cripples.

    If you are thinking about American financial aid, it is useful to remember that more than half gets stolen by the US thieves, while a big chunk of the part that reaches Ukraine is stolen by Ukrainian thieves (in terms of corruption Ukraine is unbeatable).

    Replies: @AP, @showmethereal, @Mr. Hack

  198. @Here Be Dragon
    @216

    I wonder where do these trolls get all this drivel from?


    The limited Russian budget led to concerns that NATO would shoot all the GLONASS satellites down.
     
    No one can shoot them down – these satellites are on the high orbit (500-700 km).

    They chose the hypersonic missile, which US doesn’t have yet, but when it does, it will be better.
     
    Of course – much better! Meanwhile the Russians have two models of these and are working on another one.

    From a Western perspective, the plane is aptly named [Fullback], but Russia isn’t using the plane properly.
     
    Fullback is the NATO reporting name for the Sukhoi Su-34. It is a 4th generation plane analogous to the American F-15E. What is the point of discussing it?

    Captured [AK-12] rifles haven’t been issued with rail mounted optics, which is the only real advantage it has over the AK-74.
     
    If it was captured without optics that means the optics were in fact stolen. These AK are issued with a collimator sight.

    Apart from the rail it is better than the AK-74 in that it has a free-floated barrel and improved ergonomics, a better rear iron sight and as a result longer effective range.

    Western reviews of the AK-12 have been negative, while reviews of the more expensive A-545 have been rather positive.
     
    These reviews are not based on experience. Both of these rifles are not available in the West.

    However the A-545 (now called the KORD 6P67 or 6P68) is a better rifle indeed. It features the balanced recoil design (BARS) which is unique. These rifles have no recoil whatsoever!

    https://i.postimg.cc/FFfb5rBC/KORD-6-P67.jpg

    And besides these look good.

    Meanwhile in the US, our new XM5 rifle has the most powerful round ever issued to an infantry rifle, which can destroy any type of body armor in existence.
     
    The round – 6.8x51 mm SIG (or .277 SIG Fury) – is the same as 7.62×51 mm NATO (or .308 Winchester). The rifle is nothing special if we disregard its ugliness. It is for sure the ugliest rifle ever made.

    As for the round it has been done before and is being done now – in particular the Belgian FAL and more recent SCAR-H rifles are chambered in 7.62×51 mm.

    Due to higher pressure the barrels wear out faster, due to stronger recoil automatic fire is hard to handle. And of course it does not destroy any type of body armor.

    Its combination suppressor/muzzle break means that it does not recoil much harder than the M4.
     
    It does recoil much harder than the AK-12 or the AK-15, and for sure a lot harder than KORD which does not recoil at all.

    https://i.postimg.cc/d30xvzgm/XM5-rifle.jpg

    The device pictured here is not a combination of suppressor/muzzle break but a regular sound suppressor. That means we can add another $1000 to the cost of the rifle if it is planned to be issued as that.

    And that’s before we mention the classified superscope, which will turn every infantryman into a sniper, and possibly have anti-drone capabilities.
     
    The most moronic comment of the week. You have won.

    It’s horribly expensive, and will irritate NATO partners having to buy a proprietary gun and ammo all over again.
     
    The NATO partners are not going to purchase it and in fact the U.S. is planning to get some 100 thousand of these for their close combat forces.

    Now please stop posting such nonsense.

    Replies: @216

    No one can shoot them down – these satellites are on the high orbit (500-700 km).

    Just watch me

    If it was captured without optics that means the optics were in fact stolen. These AK are issued with a collimator sight.

    It is possible that rifles were rushed from the factory to the front without optics being mounted. It is also possible that the optics were embezzled, or that they were poached by Ukrainians.

    The device pictured here is not a combination of suppressor/muzzle break but a regular sound suppressor. That means we can add another $1000 to the cost of the rifle if it is planned to be issued as that.

    That suppressor uses cutting-edge 3d printing technology to significantly reduce the gas flowing back on the shooter’s face, which also provides recoil reduction. It is unlike any other suppressor used.

    The superscope is very much real, and the minute it sees combat it will be a revelation akin to the conical bullet in the 19th century.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @216


    Just watch me [shoot down satellites on the high orbit].
     
    Are you really that stupid? What are you going to shoot them with – the Space X Falcon rockets?

    These are on the high orbit. You need a space rocket to reach that altitude.

    It is possible that [AK-12] rifles were rushed from the factory to the front without optics being mounted.
     
    No it is not possible.

    The rifles are shipped without optics. The optics are not a part of the rifle, these are issued separately and are installed by the user.

    By the way not everybody likes it. Some people prefer good old iron sights.

    It is also possible that the optics were embezzled, or that they were poached by Ukrainians.
     
    That is what I said.

    Most likely it had some kind of a red dot sight mounted which was stolen by the Ukrainians. And most likely all these many photographs are of different people taking pictures with the same one captured rifle.

    That suppressor [of the XM5 rifle] uses cutting-edge 3d printing technology to significantly reduce the gas flowing back on the shooter’s face, which also provides recoil reduction. It is unlike any other suppressor used.
     
    You are completely clueless in this topic. Why are you arguing about things you know nothing about?

    You do not need to use any cutting-edge 3d printing technology to make a muzzle brake/flash hider device – it is a very simple thing and it has been made for at least 10 years now. Russians have their own version of it.

    Neither with a standard sound suppressor nor with a muzzle break or flash hider or a combo device there is no gas flowing back on the shooter’s face.

    You read but misunderstood what it is about the new model of a muzzle break/flash hider combo called "Smuzzle". There is nothing special about it. A device of that king was a standard feature of the Vietnam War era CAR-15 carbine that was back then issued to officers.

    https://i.postimg.cc/W4z4dw4Q/CAR-15.jpg

    It is not a suppressor though it reduces the sound of a shot by about 20%. However it does not compete with a real sound suppressor neither in reduction of sound nor in reducing recoil or a muzzle flash. It is cheap though and has a longer life span.

    But there is nothing unique about it.

    The superscope is very much real, and the minute it sees combat it will be a revelation akin to the conical bullet in the 19th century.
     
    There is no such thing as a superscope.

    There are a lot of various good scopes though. Americans make the best thermal scopes but bear in mind the cost of it is like $15 thousand for a piece.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  199. @Mr. Hack
    @Thorfinnsson


    They now have superiority at the front, but the superiority will start to vanish next month as Russia mobilizes its superior resources.
     
    This is a song that you've been singing since last February 24, and it's starting to sound a bit hollow?...Ukrainian troops have met quality crack Russian troops since the beginning of the war, and even have been able to defeat them before the West really got interested in providing them with top quality weapons. Remember the complete shut down of the Russian 331st Guards Parachute Regiment during the fighting for Kyiv? IMHO, history will judge this battle as being among the most important losses for the Russian invaders. With close to 100,000 troops sent to the Kyiv area, you couldn't really attribute the huge loss as one that occurred due to lack of troops, weapons, or lack of morale. I'd be interested in hearing your conclusions regarding this battle.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Russian_bombardment_of_Kyiv_TV_Tower.jpg/800px-Russian_bombardment_of_Kyiv_TV_Tower.jpg

    So what makes you think that sending another 300,000 Russian ill supplied and trained "soldiers" (civilians) into this war, conscripted most likely without their desire to serve, into the battle is going to help turn the tide into a miraculous victory for Russia?

    Having said this, I'm glad to see that you've returned, once again! Somebody with as much military knowledge as you have, blogging here, is a always a plus.

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson, @Wokechoke

    I don’t think the Russians squeezed 100,000 troops into the immediate attack on Kiev. There wasn’t the physical space.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  200. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Monitor of Halls"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Not everybody likes the Royal Family:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/13/preston-ban-football-fan-for-life-for-derogatory-tweet-about-the-royal-family


    Preston North End have issued a lifetime stadium ban to a supporter for a derogatory tweet about the royal family.
    A source with knowledge of the situation told the Guardian that the tweet, since deleted, said that the optimal way for the week to end would be for the royal family to all die on their way to the Queen’s funeral.
    In a separate tweet the fan asked whether he would be ejected from the stadium for booing during a minute’s silence, and joked that he would make a Nazi salute in Queen Elizabeth II’s honour. The club were tagged in all the messages.
     
    Personally I liked Prince Philip, great sense of humour.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I liked him too. Both funny and a decent man. Weird how his son Charles is so humourless, if also actually a decent man.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Prince Philip supposedly once said that he would wish to be reborn a virus able to wipe out the mankind.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/entertainment/news/prince-philip-quote-about-reincarnating-as-a-deadly-virus-to-solve-overpopulation-resurfaces/articleshow/81992882.cms

    There was a Russian joke about it a couple of years ago:

    "Something's wrong...
    What ?
    Prince Philip ain't dead yeat, but the Covid is already here."

    Decent humor is decent...

    🙂

  201. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    That's what happens when you offer "peace" in the heat of ongoing advance, lol

    And in the other news - RF just got out of Dudchany in Kherson north, means UA is moving further there.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    And in the other news – RF just got out of Dudchany in Kherson north, means UA is moving further there.

    The speed at which the Ukrainians advance once they break the front is remarkable, especially compared to the snail pace of the Russians when they were still able to advance in Donbas. It’s actually becoming a sh!tshow. They are retreating on two fronts simultaneously (one of them in Donbass no less) while they keep trying and failing to storm… Bakhmut. There doesn’t seem to be any coherent plan at the top echelons. If the Ukrainians succeed in breaking a new front in Zaporizhia, the rout could have epic proportions. I hope they have a plan in Washington on what to do if the Ukrainians are too successful and the Kremlin is left only with extreme choices.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mikel

    No one quite anticipated Russia folding like a cheap suit.

    One thing I have to wonder about Muscovites and St Petersburg denizens...do you think you can keep a rich lifestyle and not dominate the Black Sea? Not dictate terms in Crimea?

    Great slaughter will occur when the Tartars and Mongols start hacking y’all to bits under CIA and MI6 tutilage. There is no exit here but to fucking well fight.

    , @LondonBob
    @Mikel

    Advancing in insignificant areas where it is preferable for the Russians to give up ground whilst inflicting significantly higher casualties. The Hitler tactic of defending every inch and continually counter attacking destroys your army, the Russians are going to be in a very good position to counter attack when the time is right.

    I see Musk, with his deep state connections, is proposing a peace deal along the lines of what was proposed before and in Istanbul, perhaps should have done that deal then before thousands of lives were lost and the Western economy completely wrecked. The timeframe for a peace deal that isn't completely lopsided is closing for NATO.

    Replies: @Mikel

  202. @showmethereal
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Are you posting under aliases? Or you can read the other posters mind?

    Ahh yes so you believe Russia was going to invade all the former Soviet countries but NATO is a saint. Serbia and Libya and Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan would disagree (which doesn’t include other U.S. adventures). And it is an absolute reality that Russia was in the process of being economically dismantled when western companies went in their to raid. The only thing that saved Russia from military intervention is its nuclear Arsenal. If not for that it would have been carved up years ago when it was weakened

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Head Girl, Monitor of Halls and keeper of the Jolly Hockeysticks at St Elizabeth’s of Truss, she’s probably steaming open the exam answers while dobbing on the kids who go into town.

    It’s pretty fucking obvious that Russia is being dismantled.

  203. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    And in the other news – RF just got out of Dudchany in Kherson north, means UA is moving further there.
     
    The speed at which the Ukrainians advance once they break the front is remarkable, especially compared to the snail pace of the Russians when they were still able to advance in Donbas. It's actually becoming a sh!tshow. They are retreating on two fronts simultaneously (one of them in Donbass no less) while they keep trying and failing to storm... Bakhmut. There doesn't seem to be any coherent plan at the top echelons. If the Ukrainians succeed in breaking a new front in Zaporizhia, the rout could have epic proportions. I hope they have a plan in Washington on what to do if the Ukrainians are too successful and the Kremlin is left only with extreme choices.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LondonBob

    No one quite anticipated Russia folding like a cheap suit.

    One thing I have to wonder about Muscovites and St Petersburg denizens…do you think you can keep a rich lifestyle and not dominate the Black Sea? Not dictate terms in Crimea?

    Great slaughter will occur when the Tartars and Mongols start hacking y’all to bits under CIA and MI6 tutilage. There is no exit here but to fucking well fight.

  204. @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    Unfortunately, I got away from my juicing regimen during a recent trip back home for a month, and just haven't yet got back into it. I use generous amounts of ginger and a pinch of red jalapeno pepper too (fresh, about half of a pepper). I think that this would be a suitable substitute for the black tea and ginger concoction that you recommend (although I may try that too, since I just got my hands on a bunch of fresh ginger). By all means, look into the olive oil and oregano remedy. There's plenty of information about the effectiveness of oregano oil to be obtained from internet sources and studies. The reason that its cut with olive oil is that it's just too powerful to be taken on its own. Sometimes I purchase it already mixed, other times I mix my own with some pure oregano oil that I've obtained. I fill a dropper with about 6-7 drops and put it within my throat and let it go...IT's REALLY POWERUL MEDICINE!!!

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I’ve heard about the anti-bacterial properties of Oregano and just read up on it a bit more. It does sound like some potent stuff! Thanks for the tip on that, I’ll definitely look up some locally and give it a try.

    I find the ginger quite energizing; it picks up a fatigued system quite well, as well as having it’s own notable anti-viral and antibiotic properties. If you try it I find it’s essential to drink it hot for maximum benefit. I think the oils in the ginger are more potent and aromatic or something.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  205. Bashibuzuk says:
    @216
    The US Right is fed up with RF military incompetence, Putin's Third Worldism, and Karlin's threat to destroy our satellites.

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1577013811189809152?cxt=HHwWgIDU3Zbt1uIrAAAA

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    and Karlin’s threat to destroy our satellites.

    Bwahahaha !

    I wonder how Tolik is gonna do that, perhaps he will be hitchhiking on some Norc ballistic missile purchased by Pynya and then use a slingshot…

    (Sorry, couldn’t help myself…)

    BTW, someone should ask AK whether he’s still in RusFed. Maybe if he’s still stuck there, he could volunteer to the frontline. They probably need fully bilingual English speaking Russian citizens there, although NATO probably uses encrypted communications, unlike the heroic Russian army which doesn’t give a damn about the enemy eavesdropping on its communications…

    Just to make it clear, if it was true Russia fighting – and not Pynya’s RusFed – I would go back home and try to make myself useful. But then again, if not for Pynya and his RusFedian system – there would be today no war in Ukraine. Anyway, Tolik always wrote that RusFed is great and Pynya is okay. So he would normally find no moral qualms in fighting for the system and its leader.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Bashibuzuk

    Anatoly is doubtless doing the Lord's work by posting snarky tweets in his tropical shirt while on a beach in the Maldives. The main reason for dubious Russian military performance is that he stopped posting "Shock and Disbelief are Inevitable" on these Open Threads.

    Rus Fed be stronk with those mystic words, but Karlin must have given up the true path of keyboard warrior. Without his inspiration Rus Fed is no longer stronk.

    As a final redemptive gesture of self immolation he must personally destroy Globohomo's satellite network, as 216 has foreseen. Then Putin will commission a great icon in the Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces dedicated to St. Anatoly the Stronk, savior of all the Rus Feds.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @German_reader
    @Bashibuzuk


    Maybe if he’s still stuck there, he could volunteer to the frontline.
     
    But he doesn't have military training, lol, and it would be totally unreasonable to expect him to volunteer to get military training, so he's going to leave it to the "well-paid professionals" (hahaha).
    Same with that "Russians with attitudes" guy on Twitter. These people don't just regard the war as a regrettable necessity (which I could understand at least to some extent), they are enthusiastically in favour of it, yet somehow they don't seem keen at all on grasping this once-in-a-lifetime chance to fight for Russia's imperial glory. Very strange.
  206. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    I liked him too. Both funny and a decent man. Weird how his son Charles is so humourless, if also actually a decent man.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Prince Philip supposedly once said that he would wish to be reborn a virus able to wipe out the mankind.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/entertainment/news/prince-philip-quote-about-reincarnating-as-a-deadly-virus-to-solve-overpopulation-resurfaces/articleshow/81992882.cms

    There was a Russian joke about it a couple of years ago:

    “Something’s wrong…
    What ?
    Prince Philip ain’t dead yeat, but the Covid is already here.”

    Decent humor is decent…

    🙂

  207. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian troops continue to retreat again today (10/03). Check your sources, Professor.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Do simple math (it used to be 2nd grade in Soviet school, it is 2-3rd grade in schools in Nigeria, so maybe high school in the US). On the assumption that situation develops linearly calculate how long it’s going to take Ukies to get back the territory they lost since February. I am not even talking about the territories Ukraine lost in 2014.

    You won’t need higher math, which takes into account that real situations never develop linearly and that Russia is in the middle of mobilizing ~1% of those it can, whereas Ukraine has already mobilized everyone who did not manage to run away or bribe some officials, including quite a few 60-year olds and cripples.

    If you are thinking about American financial aid, it is useful to remember that more than half gets stolen by the US thieves, while a big chunk of the part that reaches Ukraine is stolen by Ukrainian thieves (in terms of corruption Ukraine is unbeatable).

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    You insisted that Russia had used only a fraction of its army in Ukraine (which is being defeated).

    If that was true, why does Russia need to mobilize and why does it need to send its newly mobilized to the front, where they get killed so easily? If it only used a fraction of its army it could just send the rest in, without mobilization.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @showmethereal
    @AnonfromTN

    It appears a lot of the people on here are ideologues who watch movies or played a lot of video games. Things rarely go according to plan. Nor do they have any clue why certain things are being done. They are trying to live out their video game fantasies. Blame the internet and 24 hour news for so many supposed experts

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Have you been reading the conversation between Mikel and Wokechoke? They must be doing some kind of "new math", where the end results can be achieved much sooner than under the old math:

    Mikel:


    The speed at which the Ukrainians advance once they break the front is remarkable, especially compared to the snail pace of the Russians when they were still able to advance in Donbas. It’s actually becoming a sh!tshow. They are retreating on two fronts simultaneously (one of them in Donbass no less) while they keep trying and failing to storm… Bakhmut. There doesn’t seem to be any coherent plan at the top echelons. If the Ukrainians succeed in breaking a new front in Zaporizhia, the rout could have epic proportions. I hope they have a plan in Washington on what to do if the Ukrainians are too successful and the Kremlin is left only with extreme choices.

     

    Wokechoke:

    No one quite anticipated Russia folding like a cheap suit.

    One thing I have to wonder about Muscovites and St Petersburg denizens…do you think you can keep a rich lifestyle and not dominate the Black Sea? Not dictate terms in Crimea?

    Great slaughter will occur when the Tartars and Mongols start hacking y’all to bits under CIA and MI6 tutelage. There is no exit here but to fucking well fight.
     

    And these two guys are not your typical wild eyed Banderite types, as you probably know. Things are not looking good for your side. Sending in 300,000 ill trained and supplied, hesitant or doubtful civilians, dare I say, doesn't appear to be the trick that will save the day?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  208. Bashibuzuk says:

    The UN’s Under-Secretary-General for Global Communications, Melissa Fleming, recently admitted in a discussion with the World Economic Forum that the globalist institution has partnered with Big Tech platforms like Google in order to control search results on subjects like climate change, making the establishment narrative the predominant narrative while suppressing information and data that runs contrary to the UN’s climate agenda.

    Fleming went on to state that the UN is in control of the science: “We own the science, and we think that the world should know it, and the platforms themselves also do.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/we-own-science-un-official-admits-they-partner-google-control-search-results

    I thought that they only owned history, philosophy, economics, psychology and parts of biology perhaps (especially sexology and reproductive biology). But now I see that they own physics as well. I mean, if they own the science, and physics is science, then they should also own physics. And other sciences as well…

    (Seriously though, what kind of pillow do these people use at night for their swollen heads ? 🙄)

    • Agree: Barbarossa, A123
  209. @Bashibuzuk
    @216


    and Karlin’s threat to destroy our satellites.
     
    Bwahahaha !

    I wonder how Tolik is gonna do that, perhaps he will be hitchhiking on some Norc ballistic missile purchased by Pynya and then use a slingshot...

    (Sorry, couldn't help myself...)

    BTW, someone should ask AK whether he's still in RusFed. Maybe if he's still stuck there, he could volunteer to the frontline. They probably need fully bilingual English speaking Russian citizens there, although NATO probably uses encrypted communications, unlike the heroic Russian army which doesn't give a damn about the enemy eavesdropping on its communications...

    Just to make it clear, if it was true Russia fighting - and not Pynya's RusFed - I would go back home and try to make myself useful. But then again, if not for Pynya and his RusFedian system - there would be today no war in Ukraine. Anyway, Tolik always wrote that RusFed is great and Pynya is okay. So he would normally find no moral qualms in fighting for the system and its leader.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @German_reader

    Anatoly is doubtless doing the Lord’s work by posting snarky tweets in his tropical shirt while on a beach in the Maldives. The main reason for dubious Russian military performance is that he stopped posting “Shock and Disbelief are Inevitable” on these Open Threads.

    Rus Fed be stronk with those mystic words, but Karlin must have given up the true path of keyboard warrior. Without his inspiration Rus Fed is no longer stronk.

    As a final redemptive gesture of self immolation he must personally destroy Globohomo’s satellite network, as 216 has foreseen. Then Putin will commission a great icon in the Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces dedicated to St. Anatoly the Stronk, savior of all the Rus Feds.

    • LOL: Thulean Friend, Bashibuzuk, Yahya
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Barbarossa

    I recall GR and AK having a pretty nasty exchange a few weeks ago where GR correctly noted that Karlin's been one of the most unhinged supporters of this war and noted his reluctance to volunteer for the war effort that he has been so gung-ho about. Karlin as usual had no defence except for a bunch of schoolyard insults and half-assed excuses.

    Now that the Russians need all the manpower they can get, it is the perfect opportunity for Karlin to prove his worth. Yet I have a sneaking suspicion he will do all he can to avoid going to the frontlines.


    Chickenhawks, is what the Americans call these people.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

  210. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    This is misleading. Russia is Great Russia, rebranded Muscovy, same as the northeastern parts of Rus, the principality of Suzdal. It has developed its own language and customs.
     
    You are wrong and you know it.

    The names Great Russia, White Russia and Little Russia were created to designate the three parts of one land and one state called the land Rus' during the times when these three parts were separated. The Church created these names.

    The Russian Orthodox Church needed these names remaining the metropolitanate of most churches in the three parts of Rus' in order to address each part in particular if need be. The principality of Suzdal was in fact the center of the White Russia.

    The name Muscovy was never used in Russia itself other than to refer to the principality of Moscow. There were a lot of principalities in Russia. Even if or when these principalities were politically independent their populations remained one people.

    Ukraine was never a part of Russia in this sense until Russia started grabbing parts of it from the 17th century. Just as Italy, Spain, or France were never part of Romania.
     
    Russia did not start grabbing her own parts but started returning them back. When the Poles indeed grabbed a part of Rus' it was called not Ukraine at the time, nor was it even called Little Russia but it was the same Rus' as the part that remained Rus' after that.

    And in contradistinction to the false analogies with Spain and France the populations of both parts of Rus' were one people who spoke the same one language and belonged to the same one religious denomination and the same culture.

    Those Rus people living in the northeast would be be ruled by Tatars for a couple of centuries, would have some influence from them. These would be the Russians. They called themselves Russky.
     
    Before that all the population of Rus' called themselves Rusich.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich

    As a part of Rus' had been separated the Russian language in that part started to change, due to the influence of the Polish language. It is a normal process.

    The Rus in the central and western parts would be ruled by Poland and would get a flood of Polish cultural and linguistic influence. They would call themselves Rusyns or Rusnaks.
     
    The fact that these populations called themselves a bit different does not make them different peoples. It is an influence of the neighboring foreign languages – dirrerent suffixes correlate with traditional suffixes of the particular language the influence of which was experienced.

    For example Rusnakŷ or Rusnacy correlates with Slováci or Slovák and Polacy or Polak. Rusynŷ correlates with Români (Â is pronounced as Y).

    You seem to ignore that some of these names are non-native i.e. exonyms whereas what matters are endonyms, as well as that it is not a suffix which matters but the root, and the root of all these names is Rus'.

    Compare the Russian name for the Romanians – румыны, with the native name of the Rusyns – русыны.

    They would call Russians – Muscovites, and consider them to be a foreign people. In the 19th century they would rename themselves Ukrainians.
     
    These would refer to the population of the other part of Rus' as Muscovites in order to avoid confusion, the same as these so-called Muscovites referred to them as the Little Russians. A light difference in the names does not make two parts of one people foreign.

    The Ukrainians were once Rus but they had never been Russians (that is, having the Muscovite culture and speaking the Great Russian/Russian language with its Church Slavonic and Asian words).
     
    You are wrong again.

    The language these people called now the Ukrainians were speaking at the time of the reintegration of that part of Russia back into one state with the rest of it was not so different from the language of that other and larger part of Rus' back then as it is now.

    Those Ukrainians themselves were then calling their language руський and руська мова – i.e. the Russian language. The Russians were calling their language Russian as well. The differences between the two were considered to be dialects.

    The Ukrainian as we know it now was formed later in Poland and then spread across the central part of what is now Ukraine but not in full. There are dialects within the modern Ukrainian language, for that reason. There are three main dialects in it.

    And there are dialects in Russian as well, however there was no significant influence on it from the Asian languages but was an influence of the Finno-Ugric languages.

    Church Slavonic was the liturgical language of both the Russian Orthodox and the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church so I guess it had influence on both Russian and Ukrainian languages.

    The interaction of the Russians with the Tatars during the Yoke was minimal.

    Therefore there was not so much difference between the Great Russians and the Little Russians as some tend to imagine. There was not some particular Muscovite culture either. The Pechersk Lavra in Kiev is an example of the classic Russian architecture.

    The ethnogenesis of the Eastern Slavs was not a process of some Russians becoming Ukrainians, but rather it was some Rus becoming Ukrainians and other Rus becoming Russians.
     
    Russia is the Greek name for Rus' and, the same as the Latin name for it – Ruthenia, it is not her native name. The Russians adopted that name due to the influence of the Orthodox Church whereas the Ukrainians adopted the name Ruthenia, for the same reason – due to the Catholic Church.

    However the Ukrainians as a people were calling themselves Little Russians.

    So whether we speak about the Great, or the White, or the Little Russians, we speak about the Russians. The notion of the Ukrainians as a separate people was a much later and in fact political fabrication and not much else.

    As some Romans became Italians, others became Romanians, others Spaniards, etc.
     
    It is a false comparison.

    The full official title of the Russian monarch was The emperor or empress of all the Russias – всея Великия и Малыя и Белыя России.

    The historical, genetic and cultural distance between these peoples is far greater than between the Russians and the Ukrainians. Their languages are not interintelligible. Such a comparison would be appropriate if we were speaking about the Russians and the Croatians, or the Czech or the Slovenians.

    But for a comparison between the Russians and the Ukrainians a closer parallel would be the Spanish and the Catalans: there are some differences, but not so deep as to consider them indeed a different people.

    You are ignoring the fact that 2 of your 4 grandparents were Russians, because you think that ancestry is limited to patrilineal and matrilineal lines; that you are not 50% descended from your Russian maternal grandfather and Russian paternal grandmother.
     
    As I said before the autosomal genes are mutable to such a degree that we do net get the same genes our paternal grandmothers and maternal grandfathers pass – from them we get mutated and unrecognizable genes. The autosomal genes are generic and can point at a particular ethnic group but not a particular person.

    Because of that parenthood can be established through either Y-DNA or mtDNA. These chromosomes do not mutate and it is through these we inherit particular traits of the people who passed them to us.

    For that reason the ethnic origin of a person is derived either from his paternal or maternal lineage, i.e. the father of his father or the mother of his mother.

    Replies: @AP

    The names Great Russia, White Russia and Little Russia were created to designate the three parts of one land and one state called the land Rus’ during the times when these three parts were separated. The Church created these names.

    False. Little Rus was first documented as having been used by the Galician king in 1335 and was later used by the Poles.

    “The first recorded usage of the term is attributed to Boleslaus George II of Halych.[8] In a 1335 letter to Dietrich von Altenburg, the Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights, he styled himself «dux totius Rusiæ Minoris».[8] The name was used by Patriarch Callistus I of Constantinople in 1361 when he created two metropolitan sees: Great Rus’ in Vladimir and Kyiv and Little Rus’ with its centers in Galich (Halych) and Novgorodok (Navahrudak).[8] King Casimir III of Poland was called “the king of Lechia and Little Rus’.”

    “Ukraine was never a part of Russia in this sense until Russia started grabbing parts of it from the 17th century. Just as Italy, Spain, or France were never part of Romania.”

    Russia did not start grabbing her own parts but started returning them back

    Ukraine had never been part of Suzdal/Muscovy and had never been ruled from Moscow until Russia started grabbing these lands – other than during a brief period in the 12th century when a Suzdalian prince sacked Kiev and placed his man on the local throne. The locals in Kiev hated this easterner and drove him out in an uprising.

    Before that all the population of Rus’ called themselves Rusich.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich

    False. They called themselves Rusyns. Rusych only appeared in the 12th century and only in one work. It was a rarely used word back then.:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8

    В древнерусских памятниках слово встречается только 4 раза (2 раза в форме русичи и 2 в цокающей форме русици) и только в «Слове о полку Игореве».

    Rusyn on the other hand appeared earlier and was evident much more often. It was not a foreign version caused by Romanian influence.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B_(%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC)

    Эндоэтноним «русин» как наименование жителя Древней Руси[3] встречается в «Повести временных лет» наряду с прилагательным «русьскыи»[4]. Здесь слово «русин» упомянуто в описании договора Олега с греками (911 год) (7 раз) и договора Игоря с греками (944 года) (6 раз). Используется это слово и в ранних редакциях Русской Правды (Краткой и Пространной)[5]

    Russians called themselves Russky but also used Rusyn until the 17th century. In contrast, Rusyn continued to be widely used in Ukraine until the 19th century and is still used by some Lemkos and Transcarpathians.

    “They would call Russians – Muscovites, and consider them to be a foreign people. In the 19th century they would rename themselves Ukrainians.”

    These would refer to the population of the other part of Rus’ as Muscovites in order to avoid confusion

    The Volhynian Chronicle classified Muscovites alongside Moldovans as Orthodox but foreign.

    Those Ukrainians themselves were then calling their language руський and руська мова – i.e. the Russian language

    It was not Russian language, but Rus language. They weren’t using the Suzdalian/Muscovite/Russian language and didn’t consider their language to be the same as that of the Muscovites.

    The differences between the two were considered to be dialects.

    They were different enough that the 17th century Pereyaslav negotiations required the use off a translator, using Latin.

    The notion of the Ukrainians as a separate people was a much later and in fact political fabrication and not much else.

    You are writing the opposite of the reality. The notion of the Ukrainians as the same people was a later fabrication. I think it appeared in the early 16th century. Ironically pushed by Little Russians/Ukrainians themselves in the service of the Russian state, who were justifying their positions before resentful native Russians. It was used as proof by them that they had the right to obtain high administrative positions, because they were Russians too.

    Church Slavonic was the liturgical language of both the Russian Orthodox and the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church so I guess it had influence on both Russian and Ukrainian languages.

    No. When the Russian language was standardized, the literary form was packed with Church Slavonic; the Ukrainian literary language in contrast was much closer to the regular vernacular, so it did not have such influence. Standardized Rusyn (used in Slovakia and eastern Poland), unlike Ukrainian, incorporated some Church Slavonic so in some ways it resembles Russian (but in other ways, it is closer to Polish than standard Ukrainian).

    The historical, genetic and cultural distance between these peoples is far greater than between the Russians and the Ukrainians.

    Ukrainian is about as close to Russian as Italian is to Spanish.

    A Ukrainian who has never heard Russian will not be able to understand a conversation, in Russian and vice versa. We had an ethnic Russian nanny from Central Asia, who had heard hardly any Ukrainian before – she couldn’t understand or follow a conversation. And I could not understand Russian (other than a word here or there, an occasional phrase) before I lived in Russia.

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    As I said before the autosomal genes are mutable to such a degree that we do net get the same genes our paternal grandmothers and maternal grandfathers pass – from them we get mutated and unrecognizable genes.

    False. If autosomal genes were unrecognizable, than DNA tests wouldn’t be able to accurately identify relatives through one’s non patrilinear or non matrilinear grandparents. Or paternity tests wouldn’t work with female children.

    Autosomal genes do not become unrecognizable through mutation; rather they get mixed between grandparents. For this reason it is not possible to determine which specific gene came from which grandparent, but one still has about 25% of the genes from each grandparent. About half of your father’s genes come from his mother, and about half of your mother’s genes come from her father. But they are mixed up with each other in the autosomes.

    So DNA testing using autosomal genes can show the approximate strength of the relationship between people, but cannot determine through which specific grandparent people they might be related. The sex chromosomes, OTOH, do not get mixed so they can be used to trace specific patrilinear descent (for males) and matrilinear (for both males and females).

    Most of one’s genes, of course, do not come from the two sex chromosomes. The Y chromosome in particular only has about 200 genes. Traits such as intelligence are linked to genes from various chromosomes (particularly chromosome 10, which is not a sex chromosome):

    https://www.nature.com/articles/mp2017121

    Depending on the combination, one can resemble and have the character of any one of one’s grandparents. I look like my father and my paternal grandfather, but my aunt’s sons resemble her, who looks just like her father. So they look like their maternal grandfather.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    If autosomal genes were unrecognizable, than DNA tests wouldn’t be able to accurately identify relatives through one’s non-patrilinear or non-matrilinear grandparents.
     
    There are no such grandparents :)

    One's grandparents are either patrilineal, or matrilineal. Or we have a virgin birth here? That can happen — the Pope said!

    However the Buddha was even cooler. He was born in a lotus flower.

    Or paternity tests wouldn’t work with female children.
     
    But that test indeed does not work with females.

    A woman who is not sure whether a particular man is her father or not cannot prove it if she does not have a twin brother or something.

    It is strange that a doctor does not know this.

    Autosomal genes do not become unrecognizable through mutation; rather they get mixed between grandparents.
     
    That is right, I guess I used a wrong term. The right word should have been recombination. But at the same time autosomes are more mutable than sex chromosomes.

    About half of your father’s genes come from his mother, and about half of your mother’s genes come from her father. But they are mixed up with each other in the autosomes.
     
    These are mutable genes and through the course of four generations they change a lot. Your great-grandfather's autosomes are different from yours.

    We do not get the same entire chromosomes from our grandparents, but a mix of them (as our parents have got them mixed) so that genetic content of each pair of chromosomes is changed and different from what our grandparents passed to our parents — except for the sex chromosomes.

    And during this process of recombination it is not the same mathematical share of the genes that all grandchildren of a particular person inherit from him. There are variations.

    "Two grandchildren are fortunate to have three grandparents and one great-grandparent available for matching. For comparison purposes, let’s take a look at how many matches each grandchild has in common with their grandparents and great-grandparent."

    "It’s interesting that the matches in 3 generations to the great-grandmother vary by 55%. The second tester has almost twice as many matches in common with her great-grandmother as does the first tester."

    DNA Inherited from Grandparents and Great-Grandparents
    https://dna-explained.com/2020/01/14/dna-inherited-from-grandparents-and-great-grandparents/

    So in fact we do not know how much of autosomes we inherit from our great-grandparents. We do know that these are recombined, mixed and matched and messed up and come in different shares to different great-grandchildren, and often mutate on top of that.

    The sex chromosomes however do not change as much and come from the mother of our mother and the father of our father unaltered, the same as passed to them by the fathers of their fathers, and the mothers of their mothers.

    The rest of our genes are more generic and less significant.

    Traits such as intelligence are linked to genes from various chromosomes (particularly chromosome 10, which is not a sex chromosome).
     
    That research did not prove it and is not important.

    A number of other unrelated researches have been conducted in China and in Britain, and the results obtained in both countries determined that most of all intelligence is dependent on the genes contained in the X-chromosome.

    "16% of the IQ-related genes are located on X chromosome. It is reported that only 3.4% of all human genes belong to X chromosome. The obvious contrast may indicate that the IQ-related genes are over-represented on X chromosome."

    "The further enrichment analysis identified 10 genomic regions with significantly larger amount of IQ-related genes. Among 10 regions, 4 belong to X chromosome."

    A biology approach to identify intelligence genomic regions
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3933868/

    This is the more recent Chinese research. And the other ones earlier in Europe led to similar conclusions.

    "The autosomes and the sex chromosomes differ in their evolutionary origins, a fact that may have implications for the distinct contribution made by the X-chromosome to mental functioning."

    "Natural selection has favoured the development of X-linked genes that are associated with higher cognitive abilities."

    "Genes on the X-chromosome not only influence general intelligence, but also have relatively specific effects on social–cognition and emotional regulation."

    X-linked genes and mental functioning
    https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/14/suppl_1/R27/560887

    For that reason Jews determine Jewishness through the female line. And as a matter of fact Jews figured it out centuries ago.

    How?

    Because Jews are smart!

    Depending on the combination, one can resemble and have the character of any one of one’s grandparents. I look like my father and my paternal grandfather.
     
    That is normal. Or perhaps rather half normal.

    I look like the maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather of mine. I did not inherit the traits of the maternal grandfather and paternal grandmother of mine at all.

    And I have a cousin to whom the maternal grandfather of mine is his paternal grandfather. Guess what he looks like.

    He cousin inherited the features of his paternal grandfather and his maternal grandmother, the same as I did from those of mine. He did not inherit the features of his paternal grandmother – I did.

    It is notable because each of them had some notable traits. And it is seen and often comes out in our character. Me and him are incompatible and different people.

    My aunt’s sons resemble her, who looks just like her father. So they look like their maternal grandfather.
     
    That must have happened due to genetic anomalies common among these so-called nobles having children with their cousins and nephews. It is a common problem among the rich – inbreeding in order to keep the wealth in the clan.

    Here is a noble Arab princess (for an example).

    https://i.postimg.cc/zX69kty8/Harem-2.jpg

    Replies: @AP

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    False. Little Rus was first documented as having been used by the Galician king in 1335 and was later used by the Poles.
     
    You continue to argue for the sake of arguing. That same article you quote to prove me wrong proves me right.

    "The toponym translates as Little or Lesser Rus’ and is adapted from the Greek term, used in medieval times by Patriarchs of Constantinople since the 14th century (it first appeared in church documents in 1335)."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia#Etymology_and_name_variations

    So the Church had introduced it first and then people followed. Agree that it is illogical to assume that a Galician prince influenced the Church and the rest of Rus'.

    Ukraine had never been part of Suzdal/Muscovy and had never been ruled from Moscow until Russia started grabbing these lands.
     
    You mean a part of Rus' (which was renamed Ukraine centuries later) had not been ruled from Moscow, until another part of Rus' reconquered it from Poles.

    And what does it refute then?

    First Rus' was ruled from Novgorod and then from Kiev. That does not mean that Kiev was a foreign capital for Novgorod. Then after Kiev a part of Rus' was ruled from Poland – which had never been a part of Rus' and was indeed a foreign nation.

    And after Poland it was ruled from Moscow – which had never been a foreign nation and had been a part of Rus' since the inception. You twist it all inside out to make it fit the Polish narrative.

    After Moscow the capital was transferred to Saint Petersburg and later back to Moscow. A state is defined not as the land of its capital, but a capital is defined as the main town of a state and it can be changed.

    Poland had been ruled from Kraków before Warsaw was made the capital.

    False. They called themselves Rusyns. Rusych only appeared in the 12th century and only in one work. It was a rarely used word back then.
     
    Back when?

    Suffixes can change over time. Suffixes can change due to foreign influence. Suffixes can be different in different dialects of the same language – it does not matter.

    The same article that you quote gives examples of a number of names used in that same book to refer to that same one people: "и русь и нѣмци" – when Rus' is a plural form of the people, and "варяг на русинѣ" – when Rusyn is a singular form of Rus'.

    What difference does it make?

    Poles, Romanians and Czechs have had different names for themselves during different historical periods, and the same as Russians were made up of a number of tribes at some time in the past.

    So what?

    The Volhynian Chronicle classified Muscovites alongside Moldovans as Orthodox but foreign.
     
    You have not read that chronicle.

    Muscovite Rus' was created as a principality less than 3 decades before the Galician–Volhynian Chronicle ends and at the time it was small and insignificant. It is not mentioned in the chronicle whatsoever.

    All other Russian cities and principalities are mentioned, but not Moscow. Back then it was a small settlement that had no power.

    Novgorod, Suzdal and other cities of the northern and eastern Rus' are mentioned as often as the western and southern cities, and at all times as parts of one nation, which was ruled by a number of princes and was composed of a number of principalities; in modern terms we would call it a federation.

    All those princes and principalities were in an alliance and were defending their lands together against Hungarians, Lithuanians, Poles and Tatars.

    The central theme of the chronicle is that all the Rus' regions are one nation. One of the phrases that is repeated often is that during the Yoke all of the princes were under the rule of Tatars.

    Here it is from the Ukrainian translation:
    http://litopys.org.ua/links/galvol.htm

    "Коли ото йшов хан Телебуга і хан Алгуй із ним великою силою, то з ними йшли руські князі, — бо тоді були всі князі руські у волі татарській, покорені гнівом божим."

    The notion that in that chronicle some alien eastern Muscovites were presented as a foreign people might sound plausible to a foreigner who has no real knowledge of neither the Rus' past nor her culture.

    The chronicle was written in the Russian language!
    http://litopys.org.ua/oldukr/galvxleb.htm

    You once again have demonstrated that Ukraine is nothing but a manufactured idea, false and artificial — a political fabrication created for an emotionally unstable, arrogant and ignorant generation.

    You are living in the alternative world of imagination.

    It was not Russian language, but Rus language. They weren’t using the Suzdalian/Muscovite/Russian language and didn’t consider their language to be the same as that of the Muscovites.
     
    The language that chronicle was written in is the same as was spoken then in all other parts of Rus' and other chronicles of that time were written in.

    Rus' and Russian is the same word but from different historical periods. Like Thou and You — Rus' is an archaic word for Russian, and Russian is a modern form of Rus'.

    Unlike Ukrainian which appeared out of nowhere, because it was made up, "Russian" is a natural development of the name following historical development of the language, along with all its other words.

    They were different enough that the 17th century Pereyaslav negotiations required the use of a translator, using Latin.
     
    Another nonsense proving that you are alien to the Rus' culture. Perhaps you are somewhat a Pole, but you are not a Ukrainian — at least not a real one.

    Otherwise you would have known that Ukrainian and Rusian are mutually intelligible even today, and back then were even closer than today. Negotiations required no translators (but there might have been one documenting it for foreign ambassadors).

    The Pereiaslav Agreement was recorded both in Russian and Ukrainian (then called Little Russian). See "Березневі статті".

    The letter of Bohdan Khmelnytsky to the Russian Tsar was written in Little Russian without any translation.

    The notion of the Ukrainians as the same people was a later fabrication. Pushed by Little Russians/Ukrainians themselves in the service of the Russian state. It was used as proof by them that they had the right to obtain high administrative positions, because they were Russians too.
     
    Little Russians were still Russians.

    You do not understand what a people is. You often make references to who ruled what cities and what political alliance this or that group might have been in at that time or another, whereas a people is not a state.

    A people is an ethnic group defined and united with a common language, culture, folklore, cuisine and other traditions resulting from them having a common origin. Your understanding of a people is that of an American — because Americans are not a people but a political nation, aftificial and unnatural.

    When the Russian language was standardized, the literary form was packed with Church Slavonic; the Ukrainian literary language in contrast was much closer to the regular vernacular, so it did not have such influence.
     
    It is because Ukrainian did not have a literary form. It was a vernacular southern Russian dialect with a number of borrowed Polish words and rather peculiar and surrogate grammar.

    There has never been a sophisticated literary work written in Ukrainian, because it has never developed as a language above a vernacular dialect of a minor group of uneducated peasants.

    A Ukrainian who has never heard Russian will not be able to understand a conversation, in Russian and vice versa.
     
    Such a Ukrainian can be found in diaspora alone. All Ukrainians can if not speak then at least understand some Russian. And Russians from the Rostov region speak a southern dialect that sounds closer to Ukrainian than to standard Russian.

    So what?

    Germans from Hamburg cannot understand those from Munich. The High German dialect is as much if not more different from the Low German as Ukrainian is from Russian.

    Yet Germans do not consider it a reason substantial enough to see the two parts of the nation as two different peoples.

    And besides Germans had been for a long time divided before Germany was united — but have been at those times one people nevertheless.

    We had an ethnic Russian nanny from Central Asia, who had heard hardly any Ukrainian before – she couldn’t understand or follow a conversation.
     
    Must have been because you speak that émigré western dialect. Most Ukrainians might have some troubles understanding it either.

    And I could not understand Russian (other than a word here or there, an occasional phrase) before I lived in Russia.
     
    You had not been used to the Russian pronunciation, but I guess once you got used you started understanding Russian without learning it. Am I wrong?

    These are different things: one person can write and read in English but will not understand much watching news in English on TV, and another person can understand oral speech well but not written language.

    I can understand oral Hebrew to a degree, but can neither read it nor write in it.

    To sum it up this aspiration to see Ukrainians as part of Poland is a Polish thing made to fool those who are ignorant and to return those who were Polonized.

    But Poles do not want Ukraininans — Poles want to return Ukraine.

    Replies: @AP

  211. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    Do simple math (it used to be 2nd grade in Soviet school, it is 2-3rd grade in schools in Nigeria, so maybe high school in the US). On the assumption that situation develops linearly calculate how long it’s going to take Ukies to get back the territory they lost since February. I am not even talking about the territories Ukraine lost in 2014.

    You won’t need higher math, which takes into account that real situations never develop linearly and that Russia is in the middle of mobilizing ~1% of those it can, whereas Ukraine has already mobilized everyone who did not manage to run away or bribe some officials, including quite a few 60-year olds and cripples.

    If you are thinking about American financial aid, it is useful to remember that more than half gets stolen by the US thieves, while a big chunk of the part that reaches Ukraine is stolen by Ukrainian thieves (in terms of corruption Ukraine is unbeatable).

    Replies: @AP, @showmethereal, @Mr. Hack

    You insisted that Russia had used only a fraction of its army in Ukraine (which is being defeated).

    If that was true, why does Russia need to mobilize and why does it need to send its newly mobilized to the front, where they get killed so easily? If it only used a fraction of its army it could just send the rest in, without mobilization.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    The stated objective of the US as given by Lloyd Austin is to weaken the Russian armed forces so they are not longer a factor in Europe. Russia wants to win in Ukraine and preserve its army's capabilities.

  212. @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW


    The key would be to not “upgrade” it in the globohomo fashion.
     
    Well, it would be difficult, especially that Arestovitch himself is a pure globohomo material (although who am I to judge other people's sexual inclinations - love is love etc.)


    Plus, large masses of people are now secular so some other uniting ideology will need to be sought. Of course, you know that I support the revival of our old Faith as well.
     
    I have come to believe that no project could succeed without something that is perceived as "valid metaphysics". Perception is very important and people need meaning in their lives (even Dmitry does 😋).

    Благо should be created and spread, and always come first, on top of all ideologies and as the goal of all efforts.
     
    Amen to that brother, amen to that! Buddhists often talk about accumuting and transferring merit. This is really what our world needs, to use an Avestan slogan of old: "Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds". This and healthy respect for our ancestors and lots of careful attention to the education of our offspring, the Old Faith plus some Theillard de Chardin Omega Point future metaphysical projections would probably be a good place to start. That way we could bridge the divide between Christianity and the Old Faith through Russian Cosmism. "From the roots, through the thorns, and to the stars. From the Old Sacred Groves to the Cosmic Theosis."

    Come on, some old dudes from the Atlantic Council or some woke women from Georgetown are not going to push the Kyevans around. To some extent, maybe, but, as I said, these will not be the obedient and docile Estonians. And this is what I love about them.
     
    It's true that Ukrainians are often even more passionaryi (to use Gumilyov's terminology, BTW it was his 110 birthday a couple of days ago). If someone finds Russians crazy, then this person will absolutely love Ukrainian character. I also like this part of their psychocultural identity although it sometimes leads to some truly gruesome violence.

    The finance sector is really the most difficult part of this. And demographics. LOL. Yea, just those tiny little details.
     
    Let's use MMT and White Shariah! (Just kidding 🙂) Perhaps we should ask Kadyrov how he gets by both financially and sexually. With Allah's help this guy has built a real dynasty in his little well financed Sultanate, although I doubt they will survive the coming years unscathed.

    I know that the Russians will fight. The question is only how much.

     

    I think the answer would be: a lot. And the saddest part is that they will fight mostly against each other. The Realm of Rus might well become the Realm of Death if not enough is done to rapidly stabilize the situation. I hope that this will not happen. I hope that some stability is rapidly achieved. BTW the Chinese won't be sitting quietly and waiting for it to finish. The Far East might well see some interesting moves.

    Replies: @LatW

    especially that Arestovitch himself is a pure globohomo material (although who am I to judge other people’s sexual inclinations – love is love etc.)

    Lol…. Well, I don’t know what you’re implying here, but I’m pretty sure he’s straight.

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    Yea, he dressed up as a chick once, but he tried to have an acting career and he’s just that type who’s a bit more delicate.

    From the Old Sacred Groves to the Cosmic Theosis.

    Very cool. We need everything – chthonic, celestial and metaphysical.

    If someone finds Russians crazy, then this person will absolutely love Ukrainian character. I also like this part of their psychocultural identity although it sometimes leads to some truly gruesome violence.

    I didn’t mean to throw stereotypes around, especially since they’re not always true – some of the UA leadership are very rational and are able to calculate coldly. And then combined with the passionariy it creates some real badassery. It needs to be well managed though.

    Let’s use MMT

    Modern Monetary Theory?

    White Shariah! (Just kidding 🙂)

    Sure, definitely worth exploring. But might be a bit hard knowing how our people sometimes are… it could be a good set up for those who want it. Also, special reproductive spaces could be created.

    Kadyrov how he gets by both financially and sexually. With Allah’s help this guy has built a real dynasty in his little well financed Sultanate, although I doubt they will survive the coming years unscathed.

    That’s right, the money is from Allah. 🙂 Well, his case is a bit of an apex fallacy (it’s commendable but it’s not for everyone – besides we have our own customs although this set up was occasionally present with ancient Baltic families, albeit rarely). And the money definitely isn’t his. It’s the Russian or Chechen people’s money. Besides what he seems to be practicing is not the traditional Chechen culture. Anyway… yea, he will go down together with Putin, both the FSB / Russian siloviks and the local Nohchi nationalists hate him. He’s only safe with his little private army. Which is a cool thing to have, I’ll give him that.

    And the saddest part is that they will fight mostly against each other. The Realm of Rus might well become the Realm of Death if not enough is done to rapidly stabilize the situation. I hope that this will not happen. I hope that some stability is rapidly achieved

    Doubt this is possible right now, not rapidly at least. Many will be passing into the land of Veles. Scary what the numbers could be. It feels like it’s close to the culmination. Although Kirillo Budanov said the other day that there will be a lull in the winter and then the war will be completed next spring. But who knows.

    BTW the Chinese won’t be sitting quietly and waiting for it to finish. The Far East might well see some interesting moves.

    Yea, the Far East is interesting and kind of cool. Of course, they will take advantage. Btw, Mongolia is accepting some mogilization refugees from Buryatia. China could take on some protection of Mongolia and these Buryats in Mongolia.

  213. @Barbarossa
    @Bashibuzuk

    Anatoly is doubtless doing the Lord's work by posting snarky tweets in his tropical shirt while on a beach in the Maldives. The main reason for dubious Russian military performance is that he stopped posting "Shock and Disbelief are Inevitable" on these Open Threads.

    Rus Fed be stronk with those mystic words, but Karlin must have given up the true path of keyboard warrior. Without his inspiration Rus Fed is no longer stronk.

    As a final redemptive gesture of self immolation he must personally destroy Globohomo's satellite network, as 216 has foreseen. Then Putin will commission a great icon in the Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces dedicated to St. Anatoly the Stronk, savior of all the Rus Feds.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    I recall GR and AK having a pretty nasty exchange a few weeks ago where GR correctly noted that Karlin’s been one of the most unhinged supporters of this war and noted his reluctance to volunteer for the war effort that he has been so gung-ho about. Karlin as usual had no defence except for a bunch of schoolyard insults and half-assed excuses.

    Now that the Russians need all the manpower they can get, it is the perfect opportunity for Karlin to prove his worth. Yet I have a sneaking suspicion he will do all he can to avoid going to the frontlines.

    Chickenhawks, is what the Americans call these people.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Thulean Friend

    I recall him having so much fun deriding the MAGA folks when Baiden was brought to power. He posted meme upon meme about how "MAGTards are gonna kneel" and how Baiden's "day of the rope" is coming to the Alt Right instead of the other way around.

    Now, it is sadly the Russian speakers in Ukraine that "will kneel" because they are caught between the Ukrainian nationalist "rock" and RusFed Pynya's betrayal "hard place". Is he going to post some "dank memes" about this situation too ?



    People who are facing unjust and unwarranted suffering are all in the same category - victims - of this world's imperfections and their absurd and painful consequences. None should mock those who are brought down while they try to stand their ground as decent people.

    It has nothing to do with race, gender, religion and ethnic or geopolitical affiliation. It has to do with the inherent value of human life, rooted in our ability to be conscious. We suffer (all of us suffer, some more than others) because we are alive and conscious.

    Nobody should rejoice, make fun of or take pride in the suffering of others. Sooner or later, those who make other people suffer and/or rejoice in their suffering are also experiencing painful circumstances. Only benevolence can soothe and somewhat assuage this universal law of inevitable suffering.

    An American MAGTard and a Russian Vatnik or Ukrainian Banderist Ragul' are all of them human, just like the unwashed Taliban goat herder up in his Nooristani mountain valleys, the Orthodox Rabbi in his Israeli Haredim ghetto, a Negro drug dealer in his ruined Detroit hood, or a Feminist bisexual chick somewhere in Sweden (I have specifically used stereotypes here). We are different, but our suffering makes up similar and death makes us somewhat equal in the end.

    That is why we shouldn't have fun at the suffering of others. Even Karlin's suffering. Although it might seem very tempting to point our fingers at his errors, we all err sometimes. Perhaps living through these days will make us all wiser, that is all one could reasonably hope for.

    Sorry for the long and somewhat emotional rant...

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Thulean Friend

    Have you ever heard the saying


    he who laughs last laughs best
     
    ??

    I am not a linguist but it would not surprise me if this is one of those sayings that is represented in 90 different languages including 3 or 4 in the Amazon or New Guinea that do not have an alphabet or a first grade primer.

    But it's really great you have moved past the shock and disbelief thing. : )
    , @AP
    @Thulean Friend


    Karlin as usual had no defence except for a bunch of schoolyard insults and half-assed excuses.
     
    His defence for not personally going to war is logical: he is militarily useless (no background, no training in military matters) and unlike many other conscripts he can do much more for the war effort through propagandising and financing it. It would thus be a waste of a resource to send him into combat.

    Of course the Russian state is stupid and wastes resources so it may actually call him up.

    Replies: @Mikel

  214. @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    You insisted that Russia had used only a fraction of its army in Ukraine (which is being defeated).

    If that was true, why does Russia need to mobilize and why does it need to send its newly mobilized to the front, where they get killed so easily? If it only used a fraction of its army it could just send the rest in, without mobilization.

    Replies: @Sean

    The stated objective of the US as given by Lloyd Austin is to weaken the Russian armed forces so they are not longer a factor in Europe. Russia wants to win in Ukraine and preserve its army’s capabilities.

  215. Germany is 100% committed to EU Unity!

    Or….. perhaps not: (1)

    What a difference a decade makes.

    Ten years ago, when Europe was in the throes of the eurozone crisis, Germany led the drive for austerity. Now the rest of Europe is fuming about Germany’s heavy spending on energy subsidies that they fear could exacerbate the Continent’s politically explosive rich-poor divide. It hardly helps these growing tensions that it was Berlin’s misguided dependence on Russian gas that helped trigger the bloc’s energy crisis in the first place.

    Dissent is growing in the EU — particularly in heavyweights such as Italy and France — about Germany’s massive €200 billion package announced last week to cushion consumers and businesses from the full effects of the energy crisis. These grievances now look likely to flare at Friday’s EU summit in Prague, when leaders will tackle the issue of rising energy costs and their economic ramifications.

    It should be obvious to everyone that German Elites never really cared about ‘austerity’ or Europe. It was all a out transferring wealth and power to Germany’s ‘ECB’ in Frankfurt. Business and Banking Elites benefited. Everyone else suffered, including German Christians.

    Why are are servitors to the Elite, like Merkel and Scholz, voluntarily chosen by 75%+ of German voters?

    It makes no sense. Yet, it has gone on for decades.

    PEACE 😇
    ____________

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/tensions-flare-over-the-eus-new-irresponsible-big-spender-germany/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Germany is 100% committed to EU Unity!
    Or….. perhaps not: (1)
     
    NS1 and NS2 were blown by everyone knows who to make it committed. My condolences to Germans. I know many personally, most aren’t bad people at all.
  216. @keypusher
    @LondonBob

    "To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?"

    Courtesy of Thorfinnsson, hope I did the link correctly:


    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden’s veto are approximately zero.

     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5580342

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

    “To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?”

    Courtesy of Thorfinnsson, hope I did the link correctly:

    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden’s veto are approximately zero.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5580342

    WW II Lend-Lease was a huge flow to Europe because Congress turned on the taps to build Liberty Ships, and the goods to go in them.

    The 2023 situation will be radically different:

    • Can Not-The-President Biden “Lend” things that do not exist?
    • Can the White House occupant “Lease” weapons off of empty shelves?

    Ultimately, Congress has to Appropriate funds to buy. Again, funding for Kiev aggression will not go to $0.00. However, every bill will have MAGA ‘must-spend’ line items that SJW Globalists like Ilhan Omar and Rashid Tlaib will abhor. For, example:

    — $30B U.S. Border security
    — $  3B Lend Lease Ukie munitions

    MAGA needs money for domestic priorities. And, the long history of U.S. budgeting (as actually practiced) shows that the easiest line items to raid are funds dedicated to foreign efforts. The idea that the proverbial blank check will continue to be available is absurd, bordering on delusional.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @keypusher
    @A123

    When you began explaining how the next Congress was going to clamp down on money for Ukraine, you had no idea that the Lend-Lease Act existed.

    Now that you know the Act exists, you're trying to explain how it works in such a way that will support the narrative you were already pushing. But you haven't bothered to look up the Act or learn anything about it.

    As a result, your posts on this subject are worthless.

    Replies: @A123

  217. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    I didn’t realise Tolkien was sub-consciously writing about blacks or Russians.
     
    Haradrim and Easterlings. LOTR has long been accused of having a racist subtext. Which makes it all the more ironic that Westerners who imagine themselves to be in a battle against "fascism" (against people who themselves claim to be fighting "Nazis") now are referring to "Orcs". Pretty confusing.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    There is probably some round about explanation as to why progressives are doing this in the name of anti-fascism and anti-racism. Possibly it’s like in 2020 when ideas about white supremacy and white privilege first became more prominent, and there were questions about poor whites or white homeless drug addicts & c., whether they had white privilege and were upholding white supremacy.

    The conclusion was that they do, they enjoyed all the advantages of white privilege and white supremacy but squandered them and were now seeking to draw attention to themselves at the expense of blacks. Or other white people wanted to look at them rather than blacks, amounting to the same thing.

    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE’s efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide. This is also why they are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Coconuts

    ⁸I think that there's a misunderstanding and an historical mistrust between Eastern European and Western European speakers of Indo-European languages.

    It might be due to the early divergence of these languages from a common core coupled to a different ethnic makeup of the populations that ended up speaking the divergent and mutually unintelligible languages

    Slav ethnonym is derived from Slava (glory) which is derived from Slovo (word). Slovene - those who are people of the (same) word(s) - became Slavyane - those who share and are related to glory. On the other hand, German languages speakers were called Nemtsy (the mute ones) by their Slav neighbors, because there was no way to understand what they were saying, and this was often extended to all Westerners.

    Now, due to these two populations being mainly of two distinct Y haplogroups R1a (for Slavic populations) and R1b (for Western European ones) we know that at some moment in time (probably at least 10 000 - 20 000 years ago) these two populations got separated and divided into two patrilinear clans descendants of the ancestral Y haplogroup R1. Since that very time, even when living side by side, both populations had separate cultures and probably in the long run developped somewhat distinct mentalities.

    I think that is the most important part: we look broadly speaking similar: white European (Americans would say Caucasian) and are mainly Christian. And yet, anyone who has lived with both Westerners and Slavs knows that the mentality is somewhat different. The psyche is different. Which might create the feeling of malaise: how can someone who looks so similar feel somewhat weird, act think somewhat strange and act sometimes in so unexpected ways ? How can we trust "these people" ?

    And it goes back millenia.

    Probably Tolkien was aware of that, while modern Western liberals feel it unconsciously and act accordingly.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @keypusher
    @Coconuts


    The conclusion was that they do, they enjoyed all the advantages of white privilege and white supremacy but squandered them and were now seeking to draw attention to themselves at the expense of blacks.
     
    Yes, this attitude exists and shows up in the strangest places. Spielberg's dreary West Side Story features a policeman lecturing the Jets for squandering, basically, their white privilege. Meanwhile the Sharks have a hard time scheduling a rumble because, as one of them haughtily explains to a Jet, "we have jobs."

    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE’s efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide. This is also why they are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.
     
    Not even (most) US progressives see absolutely everything through a racial lens; for those who do, some resent the amount of attention given to a war between two sets of whites (Nikole Hannah-Jones). Also, I don't think many people whose racial sensibilities are really exquisite are calling the Russians "orcs."

    The Russians invaded another country and raped and murdered civilians. That made them unpopular. There's no need to overthink it.
    , @A123
    @Coconuts


    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE’s efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide.
     
    One of the reason why Progressives fail so much is they have a new dream:

    One day to live in a nation where everyone will not be judged by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin.

    This 180° reversal of intent is a profound change from the 1960's. Of course, given the reality of Northern white flight, one has to question Progressives' sincerity even back then.

    This is also why [Russians] are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.
     
    Progressives cannot perceive that Christian Protestant Americans and Christian Orthodox Russians could find an alliance through the Light of the Lord.

    They are recoiling in fear at the return of Christianity to the Public Square. A football coach praying. Christians having religious freedom not to serve LBGTQXYXZ deviance. To Progressive dogma, such things are anathema

    PEACE 😇
    , @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    There is probably some round about explanation as to why progressives are doing this in the name of anti-fascism and anti-racism.
     
    I think it's just because WW2 is the foundation myth of our modern world, both in "the West" and the former Soviet Union. Seems like the Soviet version is in the process of losing out to the American version though, the Soviet role in the war is increasingly airbrushed out in Western countries (except maybe when it comes to Ukrainians, who now also demand credit for their role in Germany's defeat), it's all about Omaha Beach nowadays. A striking example of this was when Obama insinuated that US troops had liberated Auschwitz and Treblinka (which of course wasn't liberated by anybody, but dismantled by the SS after the uprising there):
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/obama_and_auschwitz_part_ii.html
    WW2 will live on as the foundation myth and justification of America's global empire, with most "national" versions of it being sidelined and replaced (I think this has already happened to a great extent in Britain, something like the Battle of Britain already seems to have much lost of its former status as part of the national myth).
    The upside for Germans is probably that at least we'll live on as mythological monsters in GAE lore, long after we've otherwise faded into oblivion, lol.

    Replies: @S

  218. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @Barbarossa

    I recall GR and AK having a pretty nasty exchange a few weeks ago where GR correctly noted that Karlin's been one of the most unhinged supporters of this war and noted his reluctance to volunteer for the war effort that he has been so gung-ho about. Karlin as usual had no defence except for a bunch of schoolyard insults and half-assed excuses.

    Now that the Russians need all the manpower they can get, it is the perfect opportunity for Karlin to prove his worth. Yet I have a sneaking suspicion he will do all he can to avoid going to the frontlines.


    Chickenhawks, is what the Americans call these people.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    I recall him having so much fun deriding the MAGA folks when Baiden was brought to power. He posted meme upon meme about how “MAGTards are gonna kneel” and how Baiden’s “day of the rope” is coming to the Alt Right instead of the other way around.

    Now, it is sadly the Russian speakers in Ukraine that “will kneel” because they are caught between the Ukrainian nationalist “rock” and RusFed Pynya’s betrayal “hard place”. Is he going to post some “dank memes” about this situation too ?

    [MORE]

    People who are facing unjust and unwarranted suffering are all in the same category – victims – of this world’s imperfections and their absurd and painful consequences. None should mock those who are brought down while they try to stand their ground as decent people.

    It has nothing to do with race, gender, religion and ethnic or geopolitical affiliation. It has to do with the inherent value of human life, rooted in our ability to be conscious. We suffer (all of us suffer, some more than others) because we are alive and conscious.

    Nobody should rejoice, make fun of or take pride in the suffering of others. Sooner or later, those who make other people suffer and/or rejoice in their suffering are also experiencing painful circumstances. Only benevolence can soothe and somewhat assuage this universal law of inevitable suffering.

    An American MAGTard and a Russian Vatnik or Ukrainian Banderist Ragul’ are all of them human, just like the unwashed Taliban goat herder up in his Nooristani mountain valleys, the Orthodox Rabbi in his Israeli Haredim ghetto, a Negro drug dealer in his ruined Detroit hood, or a Feminist bisexual chick somewhere in Sweden (I have specifically used stereotypes here). We are different, but our suffering makes up similar and death makes us somewhat equal in the end.

    That is why we shouldn’t have fun at the suffering of others. Even Karlin’s suffering. Although it might seem very tempting to point our fingers at his errors, we all err sometimes. Perhaps living through these days will make us all wiser, that is all one could reasonably hope for.

    Sorry for the long and somewhat emotional rant…

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Bashibuzuk


    Nobody should rejoice, make fun of or take pride in the suffering of others
     
    You're probably a better human being than I am, for I greatly enjoy seeing some people suffering. But only if they deserve it. I don't subscribe to "might makes right" nor do I believe that the weak should be preyed upon.

    That being said, my humanism doesn't stretch as far as yours - are you sure you're even an ethnonationalist? - since I view a section of the population as irredeemable.

    Indeed, I've long called for genetically engineering the human race and even capping the male population at no more than perhaps 30%. Given all the environmental destruction, wars and rampant sexism, it is very hard to make a strong case for why homo sapiens shouldn't be improved. We will very soon have the tools to do so.


    Sorry for the long and somewhat emotional rant…
     
    No worries, I greatly enjoy your comments and I re-iterate my gratitude for you having graced us with your presence once again. I just miss AaronB, who also had a strong spiritual/humanist element within him just like you do.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Barbarossa, @Barbarossa

  219. @keypusher
    @LondonBob

    "To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?"

    Courtesy of Thorfinnsson, hope I did the link correctly:


    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden’s veto are approximately zero.

     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5580342

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

    Not enough, the US is in very bad shape economically and the cost to prop up the Ukraine is only increasing.

    Things are going to look very bad militarily once the Russian forces stop fighting at a significant disadvantage in manpower.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @LondonBob

    Yeah these ideologues don’t get it. The US literally operates on billions in borrowed money every year. Printing money out of thin air also. I see some (not on this thread) boasting about weakness of other currencies to the dollar since the U.S. raised interest rates. But all those factors are connected and all that does is 1) weaken their own purchasing power at home and 2) make American made goods even LESS affordable/desirable to international markets. 3) make mon vassal states (which control large portion of global commodities) find ways around using the dollar. They don’t seem to know there are heavy consequences to wanting to control the globe. It works for a little while and then the structure weakens under its own weight. But “let’s go GI Joe” is all they seem to know.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  220. @216
    @AnonfromTN

    This is what honor cultures do, they don't admit guilt, they deny it to avoid the shame, confident that their "face" has not been besmirched.

    State-run media doesn't have a monopoly here. Here you can't cover up the Molotov-Rippentrop Pact, the Katyn massacre, the mass rapes committed by the Red Army, the failure of the N-1 rocket, rampant oligarchical corruption and the front line collapsing as we speak.

    That is not the Western way, we show our guilt, often too excessively. We learn from our mistakes, we mourn the loss of Apollo 1, the Challenger and the Columbia. When the US military commits war crimes, it becomes a major scandal, even if the perpetrators are sometimes not punished enough.

    The Western way is superior, and American exceptionalism is very real. Even in its degenerated state, GAYTO is wiping the floor with the Krokodil brigades.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Bashibuzuk

    It really isn’t the Western way, not really sure what your background is to make such a weird claim, part of the culture of critique, as Kevin MacDonald called it.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  221. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    And in the other news – RF just got out of Dudchany in Kherson north, means UA is moving further there.
     
    The speed at which the Ukrainians advance once they break the front is remarkable, especially compared to the snail pace of the Russians when they were still able to advance in Donbas. It's actually becoming a sh!tshow. They are retreating on two fronts simultaneously (one of them in Donbass no less) while they keep trying and failing to storm... Bakhmut. There doesn't seem to be any coherent plan at the top echelons. If the Ukrainians succeed in breaking a new front in Zaporizhia, the rout could have epic proportions. I hope they have a plan in Washington on what to do if the Ukrainians are too successful and the Kremlin is left only with extreme choices.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LondonBob

    Advancing in insignificant areas where it is preferable for the Russians to give up ground whilst inflicting significantly higher casualties. The Hitler tactic of defending every inch and continually counter attacking destroys your army, the Russians are going to be in a very good position to counter attack when the time is right.

    I see Musk, with his deep state connections, is proposing a peace deal along the lines of what was proposed before and in Istanbul, perhaps should have done that deal then before thousands of lives were lost and the Western economy completely wrecked. The timeframe for a peace deal that isn’t completely lopsided is closing for NATO.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LondonBob


    Advancing in insignificant areas where it is preferable for the Russians to give up ground
     
    Yes, you have a point. Kharkiv Oblast, half the recently annexed Kherson and the Severodonetsk basin are quite insignificant areas for the Russian goals and morale.

    In fact, in the grand scheme of things, what value does dilapidated Donbas have for Russia? Or even Crimea, a peninsula unable to sustain itself without water from the mainland? Heck, what do Russians even want Moscow for, a city that, as Dmitry keeps explaining, is nothing but a drag for the rest of the country?

    Replies: @S

  222. Bashibuzuk says:
    @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    There is probably some round about explanation as to why progressives are doing this in the name of anti-fascism and anti-racism. Possibly it's like in 2020 when ideas about white supremacy and white privilege first became more prominent, and there were questions about poor whites or white homeless drug addicts & c., whether they had white privilege and were upholding white supremacy.

    The conclusion was that they do, they enjoyed all the advantages of white privilege and white supremacy but squandered them and were now seeking to draw attention to themselves at the expense of blacks. Or other white people wanted to look at them rather than blacks, amounting to the same thing.

    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE's efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide. This is also why they are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @keypusher, @A123, @German_reader

    ⁸I think that there’s a misunderstanding and an historical mistrust between Eastern European and Western European speakers of Indo-European languages.

    It might be due to the early divergence of these languages from a common core coupled to a different ethnic makeup of the populations that ended up speaking the divergent and mutually unintelligible languages

    [MORE]

    Slav ethnonym is derived from Slava (glory) which is derived from Slovo (word). Slovene – those who are people of the (same) word(s) – became Slavyane – those who share and are related to glory. On the other hand, German languages speakers were called Nemtsy (the mute ones) by their Slav neighbors, because there was no way to understand what they were saying, and this was often extended to all Westerners.

    Now, due to these two populations being mainly of two distinct Y haplogroups R1a (for Slavic populations) and R1b (for Western European ones) we know that at some moment in time (probably at least 10 000 – 20 000 years ago) these two populations got separated and divided into two patrilinear clans descendants of the ancestral Y haplogroup R1. Since that very time, even when living side by side, both populations had separate cultures and probably in the long run developped somewhat distinct mentalities.

    I think that is the most important part: we look broadly speaking similar: white European (Americans would say Caucasian) and are mainly Christian. And yet, anyone who has lived with both Westerners and Slavs knows that the mentality is somewhat different. The psyche is different. Which might create the feeling of malaise: how can someone who looks so similar feel somewhat weird, act think somewhat strange and act sometimes in so unexpected ways ? How can we trust “these people” ?

    And it goes back millenia.

    Probably Tolkien was aware of that, while modern Western liberals feel it unconsciously and act accordingly.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Bashibuzuk


    Probably Tolkien was aware of that, while modern Western liberals feel it unconsciously and act accordingly.
     
    I am unsure about the racial identification of orcs with Slavs in Tolkien, as opposed to seeing them as being inspired by proletarians and workers in heavy industry.

    Iirc not too long ago there were also various claims linking the orcs with blacks. Identity politics does include various concepts of the primordial threatening 'other', woman, the Black, the homosexual etc. and it has eclipsed class politics by far in terms of status and influence, so in some ways these sorts of claims are not that surprising.


    I think that is the most important part: we look broadly speaking similar: white European (Americans would say Caucasian) and are mainly Christian. And yet, anyone who has lived with both Westerners and Slavs knows that the mentality is somewhat different.
     
    It's an interesting idea that the inherent opposition stretches back this far. My main reservation with this idea is that the existence of a genetically determined, fairly homogenous cultural and linguistic group called 'Westerners', with a history stretching back 10,000 years doesn't seem that evident. This sort of idea seems to call for an inherent enduring closeness existing between, says Swedes and Portuguese, that isn't there between Swedes and Latvians, or Germans and Irish speakers that doesn't exist between Germans and Czechs or Croats. Again, it doesn't seem obvious.

    Replies: @Sean, @Bashibuzuk, @A123, @German_reader

  223. @216
    @AnonfromTN

    This is what honor cultures do, they don't admit guilt, they deny it to avoid the shame, confident that their "face" has not been besmirched.

    State-run media doesn't have a monopoly here. Here you can't cover up the Molotov-Rippentrop Pact, the Katyn massacre, the mass rapes committed by the Red Army, the failure of the N-1 rocket, rampant oligarchical corruption and the front line collapsing as we speak.

    That is not the Western way, we show our guilt, often too excessively. We learn from our mistakes, we mourn the loss of Apollo 1, the Challenger and the Columbia. When the US military commits war crimes, it becomes a major scandal, even if the perpetrators are sometimes not punished enough.

    The Western way is superior, and American exceptionalism is very real. Even in its degenerated state, GAYTO is wiping the floor with the Krokodil brigades.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Bashibuzuk

    That is not the Western way, we show our guilt, often too excessively.

    This is hilariously self-centered.

    Are you real or is this some joke ?

    🙂

  224. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    Do simple math (it used to be 2nd grade in Soviet school, it is 2-3rd grade in schools in Nigeria, so maybe high school in the US). On the assumption that situation develops linearly calculate how long it’s going to take Ukies to get back the territory they lost since February. I am not even talking about the territories Ukraine lost in 2014.

    You won’t need higher math, which takes into account that real situations never develop linearly and that Russia is in the middle of mobilizing ~1% of those it can, whereas Ukraine has already mobilized everyone who did not manage to run away or bribe some officials, including quite a few 60-year olds and cripples.

    If you are thinking about American financial aid, it is useful to remember that more than half gets stolen by the US thieves, while a big chunk of the part that reaches Ukraine is stolen by Ukrainian thieves (in terms of corruption Ukraine is unbeatable).

    Replies: @AP, @showmethereal, @Mr. Hack

    It appears a lot of the people on here are ideologues who watch movies or played a lot of video games. Things rarely go according to plan. Nor do they have any clue why certain things are being done. They are trying to live out their video game fantasies. Blame the internet and 24 hour news for so many supposed experts

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @showmethereal


    Blame the internet and 24 hour news for so many supposed experts
     
    Yep. Until February 2022 every Tom, Dick, and Harry was a virologist. Now, when Putin cured the whole world of covid, the same personages are military experts.

    The less you know, the harder it is to understand how little you know.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  225. @LondonBob
    @keypusher

    Not enough, the US is in very bad shape economically and the cost to prop up the Ukraine is only increasing.

    Things are going to look very bad militarily once the Russian forces stop fighting at a significant disadvantage in manpower.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Yeah these ideologues don’t get it. The US literally operates on billions in borrowed money every year. Printing money out of thin air also. I see some (not on this thread) boasting about weakness of other currencies to the dollar since the U.S. raised interest rates. But all those factors are connected and all that does is 1) weaken their own purchasing power at home and 2) make American made goods even LESS affordable/desirable to international markets. 3) make mon vassal states (which control large portion of global commodities) find ways around using the dollar. They don’t seem to know there are heavy consequences to wanting to control the globe. It works for a little while and then the structure weakens under its own weight. But “let’s go GI Joe” is all they seem to know.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @showmethereal

    The realist is the person who looks at the world and notice facts, like the high value of the Dollar. The ideologue is the person who looks at the world and only sees their own ideology, like you.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  226. @A123
    @keypusher


    “To be equipped with what weapons and financed by whom?”

    Courtesy of Thorfinnsson, hope I did the link correctly:


    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 is now in force, so transfers of materiel to the Ukraine no longer require Congressional approval. This law is in force through the end of FY2023, and the odds of the incoming Congress passing a new law to repeal or restrain its over President Biden’s veto are approximately zero.
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-198/#comment-5580342
     
    WW II Lend-Lease was a huge flow to Europe because Congress turned on the taps to build Liberty Ships, and the goods to go in them.

    The 2023 situation will be radically different:

    • Can Not-The-President Biden "Lend" things that do not exist?
    • Can the White House occupant "Lease" weapons off of empty shelves?

    Ultimately, Congress has to Appropriate funds to buy. Again, funding for Kiev aggression will not go to $0.00. However, every bill will have MAGA 'must-spend' line items that SJW Globalists like Ilhan Omar and Rashid Tlaib will abhor. For, example:

    -- $30B U.S. Border security
    -- $  3B Lend Lease Ukie munitions

    MAGA needs money for domestic priorities. And, the long history of U.S. budgeting (as actually practiced) shows that the easiest line items to raid are funds dedicated to foreign efforts. The idea that the proverbial blank check will continue to be available is absurd, bordering on delusional.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @keypusher

    When you began explaining how the next Congress was going to clamp down on money for Ukraine, you had no idea that the Lend-Lease Act existed.

    Now that you know the Act exists, you’re trying to explain how it works in such a way that will support the narrative you were already pushing. But you haven’t bothered to look up the Act or learn anything about it.

    As a result, your posts on this subject are worthless.

    • Replies: @A123
    @keypusher

    -- ROTFLMAO --

    http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/David-Tennant-Laughing.gif


    When you began explaining how the next Congress was going to clamp down on money for Ukraine, you had no idea that the Lend-Lease Act existed.
     
    Are you telepathic?

    How do you have information about what I knew, or did not know?


    Now that you know the Act exists, you’re trying to explain how it works in such a way that will support the narrative you were already pushing. But you haven’t bothered to look up the Act or learn anything about it.

     

    I knew about Act when it passed.

    I did not grasp that anyone was so mind bogglingly stupid that they though it was meaningful. Then I looked into the gaping abyss of your missing mental content. I now realize that an explanation of the incredibly obvious is, once again, required in your case.


    As a result, your posts on this subject are worthless.
     
    I am trying to educate you.

    As you are clearly not an American, it is my patriotic duty to help foreigners understand the functioning of the U.S. system. The reality is rather more complex than the straightforward Constitution implies.

    You did not know about Fultoning. Now you have admitted that Fultoning is real and impacted the 2020 elections. Your apology was appreciated.

    I am now teaching you about the reality of Lend-Lease. I look forward to your future admission of ignorance & subsequent capitulation.

    PEACE 😇

    P.S. To help reach your non-American sensibilities, I used a GIF of an overseas actor.

    You never admitted to your actual country, so I cannot be more culturally specific.

  227. @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    There is probably some round about explanation as to why progressives are doing this in the name of anti-fascism and anti-racism. Possibly it's like in 2020 when ideas about white supremacy and white privilege first became more prominent, and there were questions about poor whites or white homeless drug addicts & c., whether they had white privilege and were upholding white supremacy.

    The conclusion was that they do, they enjoyed all the advantages of white privilege and white supremacy but squandered them and were now seeking to draw attention to themselves at the expense of blacks. Or other white people wanted to look at them rather than blacks, amounting to the same thing.

    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE's efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide. This is also why they are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @keypusher, @A123, @German_reader

    The conclusion was that they do, they enjoyed all the advantages of white privilege and white supremacy but squandered them and were now seeking to draw attention to themselves at the expense of blacks.

    Yes, this attitude exists and shows up in the strangest places. Spielberg’s dreary West Side Story features a policeman lecturing the Jets for squandering, basically, their white privilege. Meanwhile the Sharks have a hard time scheduling a rumble because, as one of them haughtily explains to a Jet, “we have jobs.”

    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE’s efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide. This is also why they are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.

    Not even (most) US progressives see absolutely everything through a racial lens; for those who do, some resent the amount of attention given to a war between two sets of whites (Nikole Hannah-Jones). Also, I don’t think many people whose racial sensibilities are really exquisite are calling the Russians “orcs.”

    The Russians invaded another country and raped and murdered civilians. That made them unpopular. There’s no need to overthink it.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  228. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    Do simple math (it used to be 2nd grade in Soviet school, it is 2-3rd grade in schools in Nigeria, so maybe high school in the US). On the assumption that situation develops linearly calculate how long it’s going to take Ukies to get back the territory they lost since February. I am not even talking about the territories Ukraine lost in 2014.

    You won’t need higher math, which takes into account that real situations never develop linearly and that Russia is in the middle of mobilizing ~1% of those it can, whereas Ukraine has already mobilized everyone who did not manage to run away or bribe some officials, including quite a few 60-year olds and cripples.

    If you are thinking about American financial aid, it is useful to remember that more than half gets stolen by the US thieves, while a big chunk of the part that reaches Ukraine is stolen by Ukrainian thieves (in terms of corruption Ukraine is unbeatable).

    Replies: @AP, @showmethereal, @Mr. Hack

    Have you been reading the conversation between Mikel and Wokechoke? They must be doing some kind of “new math”, where the end results can be achieved much sooner than under the old math:

    Mikel:

    The speed at which the Ukrainians advance once they break the front is remarkable, especially compared to the snail pace of the Russians when they were still able to advance in Donbas. It’s actually becoming a sh!tshow. They are retreating on two fronts simultaneously (one of them in Donbass no less) while they keep trying and failing to storm… Bakhmut. There doesn’t seem to be any coherent plan at the top echelons. If the Ukrainians succeed in breaking a new front in Zaporizhia, the rout could have epic proportions. I hope they have a plan in Washington on what to do if the Ukrainians are too successful and the Kremlin is left only with extreme choices.

    Wokechoke:

    No one quite anticipated Russia folding like a cheap suit.

    One thing I have to wonder about Muscovites and St Petersburg denizens…do you think you can keep a rich lifestyle and not dominate the Black Sea? Not dictate terms in Crimea?

    Great slaughter will occur when the Tartars and Mongols start hacking y’all to bits under CIA and MI6 tutelage. There is no exit here but to fucking well fight.

    And these two guys are not your typical wild eyed Banderite types, as you probably know. Things are not looking good for your side. Sending in 300,000 ill trained and supplied, hesitant or doubtful civilians, dare I say, doesn’t appear to be the trick that will save the day?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    Quoting #233: Have you ever heard the saying “he who laughs last laughs best”?

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  229. @keypusher
    @A123

    When you began explaining how the next Congress was going to clamp down on money for Ukraine, you had no idea that the Lend-Lease Act existed.

    Now that you know the Act exists, you're trying to explain how it works in such a way that will support the narrative you were already pushing. But you haven't bothered to look up the Act or learn anything about it.

    As a result, your posts on this subject are worthless.

    Replies: @A123

    — ROTFLMAO —

    When you began explaining how the next Congress was going to clamp down on money for Ukraine, you had no idea that the Lend-Lease Act existed.

    Are you telepathic?

    How do you have information about what I knew, or did not know?

    Now that you know the Act exists, you’re trying to explain how it works in such a way that will support the narrative you were already pushing. But you haven’t bothered to look up the Act or learn anything about it.

    I knew about Act when it passed.

    I did not grasp that anyone was so mind bogglingly stupid that they though it was meaningful. Then I looked into the gaping abyss of your missing mental content. I now realize that an explanation of the incredibly obvious is, once again, required in your case.

    As a result, your posts on this subject are worthless.

    I am trying to educate you.

    As you are clearly not an American, it is my patriotic duty to help foreigners understand the functioning of the U.S. system. The reality is rather more complex than the straightforward Constitution implies.

    You did not know about Fultoning. Now you have admitted that Fultoning is real and impacted the 2020 elections. Your apology was appreciated.

    I am now teaching you about the reality of Lend-Lease. I look forward to your future admission of ignorance & subsequent capitulation.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    P.S. To help reach your non-American sensibilities, I used a GIF of an overseas actor.

    You never admitted to your actual country, so I cannot be more culturally specific.

  230. @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    There is probably some round about explanation as to why progressives are doing this in the name of anti-fascism and anti-racism. Possibly it's like in 2020 when ideas about white supremacy and white privilege first became more prominent, and there were questions about poor whites or white homeless drug addicts & c., whether they had white privilege and were upholding white supremacy.

    The conclusion was that they do, they enjoyed all the advantages of white privilege and white supremacy but squandered them and were now seeking to draw attention to themselves at the expense of blacks. Or other white people wanted to look at them rather than blacks, amounting to the same thing.

    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE's efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide. This is also why they are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @keypusher, @A123, @German_reader

    Progressives in the US may see Russia in somewhat similar terms. Given that Russians are mainly white (or if they are East Asian looking they are white-adjacent), the assumption would be that they must have squandered the advantages of being part of whiteness, now they are drawing attention to themselves and away from blacks by standing in the way of progress and the GAE’s efforts to centre and uplift blackness worldwide.

    One of the reason why Progressives fail so much is they have a new dream:

    One day to live in a nation where everyone will not be judged by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin.

    This 180° reversal of intent is a profound change from the 1960’s. Of course, given the reality of Northern white flight, one has to question Progressives’ sincerity even back then.

    This is also why [Russians] are regressive Fascists and must be Trump allies.

    Progressives cannot perceive that Christian Protestant Americans and Christian Orthodox Russians could find an alliance through the Light of the Lord.

    They are recoiling in fear at the return of Christianity to the Public Square. A football coach praying. Christians having religious freedom not to serve LBGTQXYXZ deviance. To Progressive dogma, such things are anathema

    PEACE 😇

  231. @Bashibuzuk
    @LatW

    LatW, you know that I am no fan of Putin, but to be honest, the "project" that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.

    It was talked about already by some Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists during the late 1920ies. And it goes all the way back to the fight between Muscovy and Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the Commonwealth nearly ended up conquering Muscovy. The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.

    The Catholic/Uniate Ruthenian/Ukrainian elites have since often seen Muscovy as inherently backward and in deep need of reform and (ahem) administration (colonization really). The Papacy encouraged them in that view even publishing official proclamation to that effect.

    And more recently, the US and NATO has used this ideological superiority/victimhood complex of the Ukrainian elites to prepare them to fight against "Mordor" and its "orcs". Among the Western pundits who have worked in this sense was the late Brzezinski. He wrote on the subject and he knew the case quite well given his Polish ancestry and his early years in Kharkov and Moscow (IIRC his dad was among the Polish diplomatic personnel in these lands).

    His article written in 2011 and published in early 2012 (well before the Maidan) suggests reorganizing the Eurasian landmass under US patronage to stand against the Chinese rise up. And he floats the idea that Kiev might one day become the capital city of this federated Eurasia.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    So there is nothing new or revolutionary about Arestovitch's ideas.

    Same old, same old.

    They really think that they can reorganize to their benefit the Rus Realm (I think we have got here to a nice description for these lands in our collaborative effort both you and I). But they should ask how it worked for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, because that is how it will most probably look like in former RusFed territories once it crumbles. It will be as crazy as in 1918-1922, except that this time there would be more sophisticated weapons (including nuclear) around and lots of dirty industries ready to poison everything around for decades.

    That would be quite entertaining to observe from afar...

    🙂

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    the “project” that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.

    It was talked about already by some Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists during the late 1920ies. And it goes all the way back to the fight between Muscovy and Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the Commonwealth nearly ended up conquering Muscovy.

    Arestovich’s father is a Polish nobleman from Belarus, herb Rola. Arestovich is a son of the old Commonwealth.

    Arestovich is married and has three children.

    The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.

    Or maybe the blame for the failed unification of almost all the world’s Slavs and Balts in a republican confederation rests upon the Orthodox Muscovites in their blind zealotry? Although I’ve heard that they may have been encouraged or manipulated by Anglo merchants. Such a lost opportunity.

    BTW the attempted unification was the initiative not of Poles but of Rus magnates, Sapieha and Vyshnevetsky.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AP



    Orthodox Muscovites in their blind zealotry? Although I’ve heard that they may have been encouraged or manipulated by Anglo merchants. Such a lost opportunity.

     

    Well, that's why they're called Orthodoxe in the first place.

    I agree that the Muscovy Company and the "Green Empire" concept by John Dee probably didn't help.

    All this Protestant vs Catholic bloody shtick didn't help either. It was a very troubled and volatile period in the whole of Europe (or even Eurasia possibly ?).

    And I agree that it was a lost opportunity that might have yielded excellent results for the Balto-Slav populations as a whole (or maybe not given how the Commonwealth ended).

    What is really strange, is how history is going circles, like a spiral. But the ancestry of some historical personalities probably helps explain it, like in Arestovitch's case.

    Also, a lot of bisexual men are married and have kids, especially in patriarchal cultures.

    https://humankind.livejournal.com/366782.html

    Doesn't change anything for the intelligence of the man though, he's smart.
  232. @Thulean Friend
    @Barbarossa

    I recall GR and AK having a pretty nasty exchange a few weeks ago where GR correctly noted that Karlin's been one of the most unhinged supporters of this war and noted his reluctance to volunteer for the war effort that he has been so gung-ho about. Karlin as usual had no defence except for a bunch of schoolyard insults and half-assed excuses.

    Now that the Russians need all the manpower they can get, it is the perfect opportunity for Karlin to prove his worth. Yet I have a sneaking suspicion he will do all he can to avoid going to the frontlines.


    Chickenhawks, is what the Americans call these people.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    Have you ever heard the saying

    he who laughs last laughs best

    ??

    I am not a linguist but it would not surprise me if this is one of those sayings that is represented in 90 different languages including 3 or 4 in the Amazon or New Guinea that do not have an alphabet or a first grade primer.

    But it’s really great you have moved past the shock and disbelief thing. : )

  233. @Thulean Friend
    @Barbarossa

    I recall GR and AK having a pretty nasty exchange a few weeks ago where GR correctly noted that Karlin's been one of the most unhinged supporters of this war and noted his reluctance to volunteer for the war effort that he has been so gung-ho about. Karlin as usual had no defence except for a bunch of schoolyard insults and half-assed excuses.

    Now that the Russians need all the manpower they can get, it is the perfect opportunity for Karlin to prove his worth. Yet I have a sneaking suspicion he will do all he can to avoid going to the frontlines.


    Chickenhawks, is what the Americans call these people.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    Karlin as usual had no defence except for a bunch of schoolyard insults and half-assed excuses.

    His defence for not personally going to war is logical: he is militarily useless (no background, no training in military matters) and unlike many other conscripts he can do much more for the war effort through propagandising and financing it. It would thus be a waste of a resource to send him into combat.

    Of course the Russian state is stupid and wastes resources so it may actually call him up.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    His defence for not personally going to war is logical: he is militarily useless (no background, no training in military matters)
     
    That logic didn't work for men of military age in Donbas. They were all forcibly sent to the fronts as soon as Putin decided that it was time to "liberate" them. I don't recall AK objecting to that forced mobilization. And by multiple accounts they are doing a better job than the professional Russian soldiers, that are apparently starting to give up fighting in large numbers. Motivated civilians (like AK) can be more useful than demoralized professionals.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Thulean Friend, @showmethereal

  234. Bashibuzuk says:
    @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    the “project” that Arestovitch describes today is quite old and Putin is actually reacting against it in a knee-jerk fashion.

    It was talked about already by some Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists during the late 1920ies. And it goes all the way back to the fight between Muscovy and Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, when the Commonwealth nearly ended up conquering Muscovy.
     
    Arestovich’s father is a Polish nobleman from Belarus, herb Rola. Arestovich is a son of the old Commonwealth.

    Arestovich is married and has three children.

    The only reason they failed in their conquest, was their religious bigotry, they did not want to give equal status to the Orthodox.
     
    Or maybe the blame for the failed unification of almost all the world’s Slavs and Balts in a republican confederation rests upon the Orthodox Muscovites in their blind zealotry? Although I’ve heard that they may have been encouraged or manipulated by Anglo merchants. Such a lost opportunity.

    BTW the attempted unification was the initiative not of Poles but of Rus magnates, Sapieha and Vyshnevetsky.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Orthodox Muscovites in their blind zealotry? Although I’ve heard that they may have been encouraged or manipulated by Anglo merchants. Such a lost opportunity.

    Well, that’s why they’re called Orthodoxe in the first place.

    I agree that the Muscovy Company and the “Green Empire” concept by John Dee probably didn’t help.

    All this Protestant vs Catholic bloody shtick didn’t help either. It was a very troubled and volatile period in the whole of Europe (or even Eurasia possibly ?).

    And I agree that it was a lost opportunity that might have yielded excellent results for the Balto-Slav populations as a whole (or maybe not given how the Commonwealth ended).

    What is really strange, is how history is going circles, like a spiral. But the ancestry of some historical personalities probably helps explain it, like in Arestovitch’s case.

    Also, a lot of bisexual men are married and have kids, especially in patriarchal cultures.

    https://humankind.livejournal.com/366782.html

    Doesn’t change anything for the intelligence of the man though, he’s smart.

  235. German_reader says:
    @Bashibuzuk
    @216


    and Karlin’s threat to destroy our satellites.
     
    Bwahahaha !

    I wonder how Tolik is gonna do that, perhaps he will be hitchhiking on some Norc ballistic missile purchased by Pynya and then use a slingshot...

    (Sorry, couldn't help myself...)

    BTW, someone should ask AK whether he's still in RusFed. Maybe if he's still stuck there, he could volunteer to the frontline. They probably need fully bilingual English speaking Russian citizens there, although NATO probably uses encrypted communications, unlike the heroic Russian army which doesn't give a damn about the enemy eavesdropping on its communications...

    Just to make it clear, if it was true Russia fighting - and not Pynya's RusFed - I would go back home and try to make myself useful. But then again, if not for Pynya and his RusFedian system - there would be today no war in Ukraine. Anyway, Tolik always wrote that RusFed is great and Pynya is okay. So he would normally find no moral qualms in fighting for the system and its leader.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @German_reader

    Maybe if he’s still stuck there, he could volunteer to the frontline.

    But he doesn’t have military training, lol, and it would be totally unreasonable to expect him to volunteer to get military training, so he’s going to leave it to the “well-paid professionals” (hahaha).
    Same with that “Russians with attitudes” guy on Twitter. These people don’t just regard the war as a regrettable necessity (which I could understand at least to some extent), they are enthusiastically in favour of it, yet somehow they don’t seem keen at all on grasping this once-in-a-lifetime chance to fight for Russia’s imperial glory. Very strange.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  236. One is tempted to see that as rationalization. Perhaps his reasoning is all true, and I have no reason to doubt it. However, for such a rhetorical fire breather to show such a disinterest in personal risk is unseemly. For all the talk he talked, he should at least be trying to walk some walk.

    Karlin has said that if Russia loses this war then it doesn’t deserve to exist. So I get the feeling that even if it got to the point of street fighting in Moscow, Karlin wouldn’t join the defense. I doubt very much that he has any real loyalty to Russia, it’s just his brand, a means to an end.

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Karlin over this war. He was and is a smart an interesting guy, but there is seemingly little beyond that. He is seemingly lacking in honor. But, extreme events usually cause facades to fall and for true natures to be revealed. I guess we’ll see lots of that in coming decades.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Barbarossa


    But, extreme events usually cause facades to fall and for true natures to be revealed. I guess we’ll see lots of that in coming decades.
     
    This is true and it is already happening. And I hope that it will make us wiser and better persons overall. That's my goal in life nowadays, just be a better person, a better version of who I am. This is achieved partly through information which is turned into knowledge and then distilled into wisdom.



    I have learned a lot from AK's posts and this community, I have had a great time reading many articles posted on Unz Review, I believe it might have had a good influence on me as a person. And for this I am grateful to many authors and commenters here, including Anatoly.

    Thank you all for reading my rants and posting some incredible stuff.

    🙂

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