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— Ron Unz

 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Russia, Ukraine 
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  1. A123 says: • Website

    I am not generally sympathetic to unions. However, this time, the unions are clearly correct. Inflation is running rampant, so they are justifiably demanding compensation based on real value that cannot be inflated away.

    The rail companies are looking at higher fuel costs and automatic salary increases. They have a not unreasonable fear that shippers may be incapable of paying these genuine costs.

    The result is a gridlock in contract negotiations (1)

    Railroads and labor unions worked through the weekend to make a deal. There were little signs of progress, and rail companies are now taking steps Monday to secure shipments of hazardous and security-sensitive materials “in light of the possibility of a rail labor strike,” the Association of American Railroads (AAR) wrote in a statement.

    On Sunday, Norfolk Southern released a statement detailing it had “begun enacting its contingency plans for a controlled shut down of our network at 00:01 on Friday, Sept. 16.” The railroad said two labor unions are holding out on new contracts, “we still do not have a commitment not to strike and must act accordingly,” adding, “Our goal is to ensure that in the event of a work stoppage, crews, equipment, and freight safely reach their destinations with minimal disruption.”

    Two months ago, the Biden administration imposed a two-month cooling-off period is set to expire at 12:01 am ET on Sept. 16 — after that — President Biden didn’t have the power to prevent a strike among two labor unions that had yet hammered out a deal with railroads. Only Congress can intervene after the cooling period expires.

    Will DNC Congress critters force union members to keep working?

    — They cannot afford a rail shutdown headed into the midterms.
    — And, they also cannot push organized labour into the MAGA/GOP camp.

    Tick tock goes the clock. The DNC has to make a decision they cannot blame on Biden or the GOP. And, they have to make it publicly. And, it has to be announced very soon.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-railroads-enact-contingency-plans-preparing-labor-strike-union-talks-fail

     

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
  2. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Should that be on a car roof?

    Can you imagine the hysteria that would surround the original Dukes Of Hazzard TV Series if it was introduced to day?

    Trivia fact: The 1969 Dodge Charger R/T received more fan mail than the entire cast combined during the show’s seven seasons on air.

    PEACE 😇

     

  3. 216 says:

    Both pictures are based on stolen Western technology.

    Nonsense.

    The Soviet Union circa 1960-1980 was either the best or on a par with the West in the field of aircraft and space exploration, rocket building etc. Even now the Russians are better than the US and the EU in terms of rocket technology.

    The Russians are producing super-heavy rockets capable of lifting 20 tonn of load on the orbit. Except them no other nation has managed to do it but China. The same situation with the hyper-sonic missiles.

    The Soviet Union was the best in spacecraft and space exploration by far.

    The first satellite in space, the first man in space, the first flight to the Moon, the first flight to the Venus, the first flight to the Mars, the first space station, the first landing on the Moon, the first landing on Venus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Solar_System_exploration

    If you look at the timeline it is for the most part the Soviet flag all over it. They were better than the West and it is more likely that the West was stealing from them.

    In the former, the USSR did improve upon the American design, but silly KGB thinking convinced them that we had built a bomber.

    Nonsense.

    The Soviet Buran was capable of unmanned flight which was successfully demonstrated. The American Shuttle was not. Buran was more powerful and more sophisticated in every way.

    And what is that silly remark about the KGB?

    In the latter, that type never entered commercial service as the Concorde did.

    Nonsense.

    TU-144 did enter the commercial service and proved to be safer than the Concorde. It was too expensive for the Soviet people so it was making flights half empty. Eventually they turned them into cargo planes and flying laboratories.

    And TU-144 was made before the Concorde.

    The Soviet airliners in general were on a par with Boeing and Airbus or better. The Soviet Mi-26 is still the largest and most powerful helicopter in the world. The largest NATO helicopter is Boeing CH-47 Chinook. Here is what it is next to Mi-26.

    The Soviet airliners of the 1960s and 1970s were excellent. IL-76 is still one of the best, if not the best cargo aircraft ever made.

    The IL-62 was the largest airliner of the 1960s and one of the four first pioneering long-range designs.

    There were a lot of things made in the West that the Soviet Union either did not make or was not so good at it – automobiles, clothes, perfume and stuff like that. The consumer goods. No one is denying this.

    But if we are talking about weapons, planes, rockets, submarines, icebreakers – this kind of things, and you think that it was better in the West then you are simply misinformed.

  4. @Here Be Dragon

    Both pictures are based on stolen Western technology.

    Why do you even bother to argue with this personage?

    In many cases the myths of presumably stolen technology are a lot more ridiculous that this. Just three examples: it was alleged that the USSR stole American technology of thermonuclear bomb. What myth-makers cannot explain is how come the USSR created an H-bomb before the US where the technology allegedly originated. The USSR was accused of stealing American space technology. Again, the liars failed to explain how come the USSR beat the US in sending the first satellite and the first man into space. Just recently RF was accused of stealing the technology of Oxford/AstraZeneca covid vaccine to create Sputnik. Again, myth-makers cannot explain how come Sputnik has better effectiveness and fewer side effects than AstraZeneca thing. Maybe the Russians stole the good design and left the bad one to AstraZeneca?

  5. sher singh says:
    @AnonfromTN

    You’re just experiencing what it’s like to not be white.

    • LOL: Not Raul
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  6. @Here Be Dragon

    “Even now the Russians are better than the US and the EU in terms of rocket technology.”

    Except LOX Kerosene engines derived from the Energia program i.e. RD 170/180/190 there is nothing that is a standout product rocket tech wise.I’m not considering experimental nuclear propulsion concepts.

    Space X Falcon series rockets are at least a decade ahead of any other country. The Starship rocket will eventually lower launch cost by at least one OOM.

    “Buran was more powerful and more sophisticated in every way.”

    Buran ceramic tiles had much more heat damage in its one and only flight. Many more tiles on the Buran would need to be replaced before a second flight.

    Space shuttle per se was a very bad idea Buran being a better shuttle concept is still a bad idea.

    “TU-144 did enter the commercial service and proved to be safer than the Concorde”

    Come on! One crashed at the Paris airshow another over Kazakhstan. The thing couldn’t fly supersonic without the afterburner (Concorde could shut off afterburner once it reached supersonic speed and cruise near mach 2 without afterburner) and therefore had a much shorter range and the noise was so loud that passengers had to be issued ear protection gear.

    Tu 144 was a rushed propaganda stunt plane with the sole purpose of beating the west for the title of worlds first supersonic passenger plane. Sort of like their near suicidal but successful attempt at the first space walk just to beat the west.

    “The Soviet airliners in general were on a par with Boeing and Airbus or better.”

    No otherwise pro USSR countries like India would have bought them. Only countries which absolutely couldn’t procure western aircraft bought Soviet planes like Cuba.

    If one is to consider 1980s

    Widebody : 747,L1011,A300 and DC 10 were superior in every way to IL 86.Range,Fuel consumption per seat mile,maintenance per flight hour etc. and entered commercial service a decade earlier.

    Narrowbody : 737 and A320 are incomparably better to Yak 42 on all parameters mentioned above.

    “The Soviet Union was the best in spacecraft and space exploration by far.”

    Only the US has sent space probes beyond the asteroid belt(EU has sent a couple in cooperation with NASA).Voyager space probes get most votes from space enthusiasts for the best space probes of all time and are still functional!

    But yes the Soviet Venera space probe landers were spectacular feats of engineering for the time.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  7. china-russia-all-the-way says:

    If Russia is to win the war does it need to mobilize and send hundreds of thousands of conscripts to the frontlines? Does it need to go kinetic against the US to stop the flow of new weapons to Ukraine? (for example, a covert attack against US troops in Syria).

    If the answers to both questions are yes then is it worth it for Russia to take on the risk?

    I believe Russia should not. If the war then can’t be won because the necessary actions accompany country shattering risks then what is the best way to end the war?

    Ukraine is pumped with weapons and money from the US and mentally readied for a long war to get back territory. Ukraine would not end the war if Russia simply declared a ceasefire. What would get Ukraine to accept ending the war and territorial losses so far?

    The US bombed Vietnam for 12 nights in December 1972 (Linebacker II) and Vietnam and the US signed a peace treaty the next month. What would be the equivalent of Linebacker II in the Ukraine context?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Wokechoke
  8. S says:

    @Wokechoke

    Will there be obvious [Ukrainian] atrocities that have to be explained away? These Cyborgs were taught their craft in Aldershot after all.

    If the world war expands to include Russia and China and the ‘woke’ fanatic types continue in their ascendacy, we might actually see scenes like the below in Western countries…

    Some Eurasian prisoners, guilty of war crimes..’

    ‘Some Eurasian prisoners, guilty of war crimes, were to be hanged in the Park that evening, Winston remembered. This happened about once a month, and was a popular spectacle. Children always clamoured to be taken to see it.’ George Orwell – 1984

    http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/1.html

  9. @AnonfromTN

    You forgot – the best assault rifle of the 20th century, AK-47, was designed by Hugo Schmeisser in the Gulag. And it was at the same time stolen by Kalashnikov, who copied the design from the German Sturmgewehr 44.

    Does not matter that there is not much in common. The Russians have been stealing from the West the entire time!

    It is a feature of their mentality. They simply hate to accept the fact that something Soviet might have been done well and even better than theirs. When they see that they say it was stolen because they believe that it must have been stolen, since they are the best and it cannot be the other way round, ever.

    But here is one thing about which no one can claim that it was stolen.

    High quality TV series as a format were first made in the USSR. As far as I know in the West there were long and boring soap operas whereas in the Soviet Union there were serious TV series. When the best that the Americans had were stupid never-ending comedies, in the Soviet Union there were dramas and adaptations some of which received international critical acclaim.

    The British critics consider The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson filmed in the Soviet Union in 1979 the best Arthur Conan Doyle adaptation ever. They even made the main actor wax statue and it is displayed in the Sherlock Holmes Museum in London.

    And it had a great orchestral score written for the film.

    The Meeting Place Cannot Be Changed that came out the same year is probably the best criminal drama in that format ever made. The West has only recently begun catching up. There is still a long way to go.

    It is rated 8.8 on the IMDB website.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078655/

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  10. Mikel says:

    The First Deputy Chairman of the Russian Federation Council Andrei Turchak was filmed in Kupyansk last July declaring that “Russia is here forever”.

    https://t.me/igorstrelkov/11144

    There are reports of atrocities being committed against alleged pro-Russians in Izyum and a Ukrainian Telegram is doxxing hundreds of Volchansk civilians with personal data and photos accusing them of being collaborators.

    Things take unexpected turns during wars because, as Fred Reed once quipped, ‘the enemy’s plans are always different from yours’. But right now the Russian Armed Forces seem to be competing with the Afghan National Army for the worst military debacle of the current century.

  11. I’m hearing dead silence from the Unz Columnists on this Ukrainian offensive.

    What is going on? All I’ve got are media sources, and they can’t really be trusted.

    But this silence begs a question. Are the Ukrainians advancing? Has Russia suffered significant losses in man and equipment?

    Unfortunately, this silence makes me think that the media reports may not be complete B.S.

    Prove me wrong, Unz columnists.

    • LOL: sudden death
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  12. AP says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    At the moment, Ukraine would immediately accept a return of all territory taken from 2014, plus reparations (these can be taken from the \$300 billion in reserves the West has frozen). No demilitarization and no obstacle to Ukraine joining EU or even NATO. Russia would get all sanctions lifted. Obviously Russia would not be willing to make such a deal now, so the war will continue.

    If Ukraine gets stopped and both sides get exhausted with neither side able to take or retake territory, I imagine a reasonable compromise would be internationally monitored referenda in Crime and whatever other territory Russia holds at the time of stalemate (Donbas, southern Ukraine east of the Dnipro? I think Ukraine will probably eventually take Kherson back) determining where they will be, plus reparations, plus end of sanctions and normalization of ties between the West and Russia.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  13. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @AP

    What would be Linebacker II in this case?

    I assume if Russia declared a ceasefire at the moment, Ukraine would wish to continue fighting to recover territories.

    However, if Russia destroyed all coal power stations in Ukraine and then declared a cease fire, would Ukraine stop fighting because Russia demonstrated willingness to cut off Ukraine’s electricity?

    • Replies: @AP
  14. AP says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I’m not sure that Russia would be able to permanently destroy Ukraine’s capacity to generate electricity. The recent strikes involved a lot of very expensive missiles and the effects were mostly repaired after a few hours (the people who were idiotically claiming that Ukraine can be taken in 3 days were gleefully proclaiming that Russia had destroyed Ukraine’s electric grid last night).

  15. Wokechoke says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    There’s a good chance that they could raze Kharkov. I’d be tempted to Dresden the place.

  16. Matra says:

    Lots of reports of Azerbaijan launching artillery attacks against Armenia. Not in Artsakh/Nagorno-Karabakh but in Armenia proper. Interesting timing.

    • Thanks: German_reader
  17. Karlin is having a normal one on Twitter. Reality has proven him wrong on a major issue so now “millions need to die” in his fantasies for him to have a little self-respect.

    Let’s all remember the obvious. If Russia goes home, nothing bad happens to Russia, unless Russians do it to themselves.

    [MORE]

  18. @Triteleia Laxa

    Does he explain why his new avatar is wearing a fake and gay Hawaiian shirt?

    • LOL: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  19. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Let’s all remember the obvious. If Russia goes home, nothing bad happens to Russia

    That’s not obvious at all, in the previous thread I cited several statements from Atlanticist think tankers and former NATO general Ben Hodges who all stated dismantlement of the RF in its present form as a goal.
    Given how much of Western media has reported the war (“genocide”, emphasis on Russian collective guilt) a non-trivial part of the Western public would probably be fine with such a project.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  20. Mikhail says: • Website

    Frank asks the right questions –

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Lurker
  21. Mikhail says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Ben Hodges is an oaf like clown, who has been appropriately dissed by a number of folks including Danny Davis. Hodges is on record for saying that Crimea will go back to Ukraine.

    • Replies: @AP
  22. @Vishnugupta

    There is nothing that is a standout product rocket tech wise. I’m not considering experimental nuclear propulsion concepts.

    You should consider hypersonic flight. So far only the Chinese are catching up.

    As for the stand out product tech wise see the latest RS-28 Sarmat.

    But what I said was with relation to HLLV – heavy-lift launch vehicles. The Russians have Proton-M that have lifted 23 tonn to the low orbit. So far the Americans are catching up.

    Good luck to them.

    Space X Falcon series rockets are at least a decade ahead of any other country.

    The Russian S-500, hypersonic Kinzhal and Zircon, and Sarmat are a decade ahead of the United States.

    Space shuttle per se was a very bad idea Buran being a better shuttle concept is still a bad idea.

    That was a great idea, and had the project not been canceled the Russians would have been taking down the Starlink satellites off the orbit right now.

    People will have to return to those projects sooner or later. That is the future.

    Come on! One [TU-144] crashed at the Paris airshow another over Kazakhstan. The thing couldn’t fly supersonic without the afterburner and therefore had a much shorter range and the noise was so loud that passengers had to be issued ear protection gear.

    The first model of anything always has a number of issues that get fixed later and the Concorde had its own. Some of those you mentioned were fixed with the second model.

    TU-144 crushed twice during test flights, but the Concord crushed with 100 passengers on board.

    The range of TU-144 was shorter by a few hundred km only and that was because it was more powerful – had higher ceiling, could lift heavier load and was faster.

    Tu-144 was a rushed propaganda stunt plane with the sole purpose of beating the west for the title of worlds first supersonic passenger plane. Sort of like their near suicidal but successful attempt at the first space walk just to beat the west.

    According to this logic the Russians should have never done anything first, because any time they did something it was only “to beat the West,” like they did not have any ambitions of their own.

    You sound stupid son.

    No [the Soviet airliners were on a par with Boeing] otherwise pro USSR countries like India would have bought them. Only countries which absolutely couldn’t procure western aircraft bought Soviet planes like Cuba.

    Bullshit.

    [MORE]

    Over 30 nations operated the IL-62, among them Czechoslovakia, East Germany, and even Netherlands and Turkey. It was used by Air France and Japan Airlines, as well as Air India.

    Widebody: 747, L1011, A300 and DC 10 were superior in every way to IL-86. Range, Fuel consumption per seat mile, maintenance per flight hour etc. and entered commercial service a decade earlier.

    Boeing 747 and IL-86 are not in the same class. The Russian counterpart is IL-96. And I do not know where did you get these parameters. How do you know what their maintenance per flight hour is?

    Narrowbody: 737 and A320 are incomparably better to Yak-42 on all parameters mentioned above.

    Again these are not in the same class. The American counterpart to the Yak-42 is Boeing 727. The latter is a lot noisier and a lot less comfortable than Yak-42.

    The Yak-42 was one of the most pleasant flights I had.

    Generally speaking it is not a fare comparison because you are throwing in everything the US and Europe had produced against the Soviet Union. Yet the Soviet Union does not look bad!

    The Il-62M became the longest-serving model in its airliner class with the average operating age of 32 years. A very reliable and durable aircraft.

    Only the US has sent space probes beyond the asteroid belt (EU has sent a couple in cooperation with NASA). Voyager space probes get most votes from space enthusiasts for the best space probes of all time and are still functional!

    What the heck is a space enthusiast and why should I care what they vote for?

    The Soviet Union – only 12 years after the most devastating war in history – launched the first Earth orbiter in 1957. Reached the Moon in 1959. Reached Venus and sent the first man into space in 1961.

    First probe to Mars – 1962, first spacecraft to reach another planet’s surface – 1965, first lunar landing – 1966, first Venus atmospheric probe – 1967, first robotic lunar sample return – 1970!

    First Venus lander and the first spacecraft to land on another planet – 1970, first remote controlled rover – 1970, first space station – 1971.

    These accomplishments are far greater than sending a probe beyong the asteroid belt. Technically, what is the difference between that and sending a probe on Mars?

    Only distance.

    But yes the Soviet Venera space probe landers were spectacular feats of engineering for the time.

    Yes they were, but there were a lot more of spectacular achievements of the Soviet Union, some of which I have mentioned.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  23. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    This is more of a clown:

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    , @Mikhail
  24. @German_reader

    That’s not obvious at all, in the previous thread I cited several statements from Atlanticist think tankers and former NATO general Ben Hodges who all stated dismantlement of the RF in its present form as a goal.

    Talk is cheap. Most of the time it is just venting. Not even people’s real intentions. Nevermind that a threat requires capability. The worst anyone is going to do to Russia, if they go home, is keep some of the sanctions, and maybe the frozen money to give to Ukraine.

    And neither of those things will happen if “going home” includes leaving Crimea.

    And probably neither will happen, especially keeping the sanctions, even if “going home” means going back to Crimea.

    Furthermore, if the Russian administration scapegoats Putin, letting him finally retire in peace, if ignominy, relations could easily be excellent. It really isn’t that hard to “reset” with the West. You provide mutual economic benefit, do a few token gestures, don’t base your ideology on the West being evil, don’t massacre your own people, and the worst they’ll do to you is lecture you a bit.

    Obviously if there is a civil war, the West might pick a side and support the one in their interests, but I don’t think Russians have any intention of massacring each other. Even if they didn’t have common feeling, they would have too small a proportion of young men for that to be realistic.

  25. Wokechoke says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    With the Ukies massing troops outside of metropols like Kharkov, in order to capture smaller villages and cities like Kupyansk the Ukies can also be hammered with artillery and airstrikes. The Russians are also going to demolish the civil infrastructure around Poltava and Dnipro.

  26. Ukraine has bombed the apartment of the Kherson University rector. She is in the intensive care.

    The Kharkov power plant was destroyed yesterday with 12 air-to-surface missiles. There is no power in the city and in the area around. The trains and the subway do not run and will not run anytime soon.

    Apparently the Russians did that to prevent reinforcement of the Ukrainian forces through Izyum, which is a railway hub. The Ukrainian propaganda is spreading rumors that the power grid has been restored. That is not true.

    The Russians have attacked a number of administrative buildings in Kharkov as well. The police department among them.

    That is good.

    There are local fighting in a number of small towns. It is expected that Ukraine will attempt to push forward in the Energodar area one of these days. They are moving troops and equipment to that area now.

    It appears that with the current resources at hand the Russians are not going to be able to continue the offensive. One member of the parliament has proposed the reserve mobilization.

    The Russians need more drones and more men. With the front line that long they will be taking losses here and there once in a while on a regular basis.

    One thing they can do but do not want to do is to destroy the bridges over Dniepr with heavy bombs, as well as other power plants. But that would limit their ability to capture the right bank Ukraine, which they must be hoping to achieve eventually.

    Otherwise it does not make any sense to refrain from doing that.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @AP
  27. @Here Be Dragon

    Hmmm. You probably have something of a point on firearms. I own an SKS which I think is better constructed gun than the AK-47. I actually really like my SKS. Both the gun and the ammo are really inexpensive and it’s a very versatile, easy to shoot gun. It’s no sniper rifle but it’s capable of very reasonable range.

    In my opinion, the fact that it was made to perform while being dragged through the mud and broken down/ serviced by illiterate peasants is an asset. It’s simple and robust, which is good engineering practice in adverse conditions.

    I’d still really like an M1 Garand someday though. They are just too cool. In the meantime I’ll settle for a Mauser.

  28. @Emil Nikola Richard

    It must be in solidarity with the joyful and fun loving People of Color. Remember, Russians are People of Color too.

  29. S says:

    The amusing video below makes a strong case that Multi-Culturalism is truly genocidal. The constant and hysterical accusations towards others regarding race (ie ‘racism’) and ‘genocide’ by self proclaimed ‘progressives’, particularly ‘woke’ types, is simply projection.

    Enjoy! 🙂

  30. @AP

    I’m not sure that Russia would be able to permanently destroy Ukraine’s capacity to generate electricity.

    LOL – after your demented bimbo instantaneous BS comments about Ukraine’s power stations, near the end of the previous thread, surely the time has come for scum like you to be banned from talking on anything involving 404’s infrastructure, or just 404 itself. AnonFromTN or Here be Dragon – it has to be obvious and surely you can backup that his comments there obviously confirm the fact this creep has never set foot in Ukraine, and the ignorance and BS of the comments on the infrastructure go far past willfully lying to coverup Ukraines many post-independence failures?

    Surely it’s obvious from this wacko? I would like ACTUAL ukrainians, who also are ukronazis to be on this blog commenting – not this compulsive liar fantasist POS American

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  31. @S

    Surely it’s just a case of certain types of rabid Jews getting twice as much power by using multi-culturalism as a tool to get both the “white” position and the “minority” position? Not only that, but in the cases where the person is a genuine minority in a position of power in the west……in most of the cases they are married to a Jew and probably have raised jewish children.

  32. Wokechoke says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    The Bridges should have been the first targets. But that’s just me. Why didn’t they cut the country in two day one?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  33. nickels says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Soviets build some of the biggest transmissions ever made and the largest helicopters.

    The Mi-6 actually had a quite larger rotor but the 26 has more blades-more power.

    https://tempclip.com/watch/Jsyw2ToALS

    https://tempclip.com/watch/sjLcPvtJBM

    https://tempclip.com/watch/ca4kIhaU12

    Protocol with the 26 seems to be a running takeoff whenever possible.
    These beasts tend to vibrate somewhat awful at low speed, probably helps get through that transition.

  34. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    The Kharkov power plant was destroyed yesterday with 12 air-to-surface missiles. There is no power in the city and in the area around. The trains and the subway do not run and will not run anytime soon….The Ukrainian propaganda is spreading rumors that the power grid has been restored. That is not true.

    Even the Russian shill Gonzalo Lira admits that power was restored. You spread lies as usual (have you figured out how to look at maps yet? Will you still claim Ukraine only took back 1% of the territory it had lost?):

    “My, but the Russians really do want to knock out the electrical grid in Kharkov.

    They hit it last night at exactly 8 PM. It came back on six hours later.

    Then this afternoon at around 1:30 PM, they hit it again. Power was out for about 3 1/2 hours or so, depending on location.”

    [MORE]

  35. Lurker says:
    @Mikhail

    Western journalists have shown little desire to go anywhere near the frontlines throughout the war so far.

  36. @Here Be Dragon

    1.Yes Russians lead the world in hypersonic cruise missiles.

    2.we were discussing space launch vehicles and your claims of Russia still being ahead of US and EU is absurd.If you think being able to launch 20tn to LEO with a 1960s design propelled with toxic hyperbolic fuel is impressive the other side can counter saying reusability is more impressive and difficult to achieve given only one entity has successfully mastered it.

    ‘Boeing 747 and IL-86 are not in the same class. The Russian counterpart is IL-96.’

    Boeing 747 and IL 86 were the first wide body jet passenger aircraft of the US and the USSR.Despite entering service over a decade after the 747 you say that it is not in the same class(in a negative way) but instead the IL 96 a massively improved IL 86 class aircraft which entered service TWO DECADES after the 747 should be considered as the Russian/Soviet counterpart to the 747.Thanks for proving my point.

    ‘Technically, what is the difference between that and sending a probe on Mars?’

    Solar power doesn’t work beyond Mars so the probes need to be nuclear powered.Also it presently takes 29 hours for a signal to reach voyager 1 today as opposed to something measured in minutes.Its so simple the Russians and the Soviets have never attempted it.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Here Be Dragon
  37. @Barbarossa

    In my opinion, the fact that it was made to perform while being dragged through the mud and broken down/ serviced by illiterate peasants is an asset

    In 1939, literate people were 89.7% (RSFSR, ages 9–49)
    That’s better than the modern USA. Perhaps it is time to put this legend about illiterate peasants to rest.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    , @Barbarossa
  38. LondonBob says:

    I guess the murder of Dugina would make it very simple to declare an anti terrorism operation.

    If the trains don’t run it will be very hard for the Ukrainians to shift reserves around, especially across the Dnieper.

  39. Coconuts says:
    @siberiancat

    My wife once told me that her grandmother (b.1917), a Kolkhoz peasant, was only literate to the point of being able to sign her name. She couldn’t read a newspaper. Her children went on to be teachers, an accountant, manager of a jet aircraft factory etc. so I doubt she lacked natural intelligence.

    Made me wonder about those pre-war Soviet literacy stats though.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  40. Mikhail says: • Website

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  41. Coconuts says:
    @S

    Lately I’ve been reading the book Les Anti-Lumières by the Franco-Israeli historian Zeev Sternhell, he is pretty fair in his presentation of the Anti-Enlightenment thinkers, even though he makes it clear he is fully committed to the Franco-Kantian ‘Lumières’.

    So from reading this book, things like multi-culturalism just seems like one of the logical consequences of the spread and application of Enlightenment thought, including some of the inherent contradictions latent in aspects of it. (These might explain why non-European ethnic minorities seem to be exempt, up to a point, from the Enlightenment derived norms applied to the majority European populations).

    From the perspective of now, if you are interested in the preservation and continuation of distinct European cultures and peoples, it looks like the Anti-Enlightenment guys were more in the right. But maybe they are/were impossible to follow in practice for other reasons. Sternhell gives a good intro. to Burke, Herder, Carlyle, Vico, Taine, Renan, de Maistre, Croce, Sorel, Maurras and Barres anyway. There is an English translation called something like ‘The Anti-Enlightenment’.

    Because this movement originated in Europe and took deepest root in European societies (+US, Canada etc.), you would expect these to be most affected and first. Groups coming from outside of Europe as immigrants should retain an advantage for some period of time. I just saw an article indicating that Pakistani, Bangladeshi and African children as well as Indians and E. Asians are now outperforming whites in school exam results in the UK, and their share of the population is set to grow pretty quickly over the next decades as well.

    Perhaps this, and the concurrent growth of the Arab/African population in France, and in other European countries, will end up putting the legacy of the Lumières into question at some point.

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @S
    , @Dmitry
  42. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    More and more calls by Russian officials can be heard demanding Putler’s resignation over his disastrous war policies in Ukraine:

    When are you finally going to show some guts, Mr. Averko, and admit that Putler’s policies are a disaster for Russia, Ukraine and the world. Being a pom-pom girl for maniacal Putler has never been more difficult, I would think?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Seraphim
  43. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Yeah right!

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Here Be Dragon
  44. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    The Vikings were impressive this past Sunday. Let’s see where they’re at in December. The same can be said of….

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  45. @A123

    “North American rail networks”

    Only the US is shown, not the other two major countries of North America.

    • Replies: @A123
  46. @AnonfromTN

    I don’t know how one could brag that one MRNA vaccine is “better” than another, since they were invented with the sole purpose of slowly killing the recipient, I guess one could say that the one that kills the recipient quicker is the better one.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  47. @LondonBob

    When I saw old videos of Baghdad Bob I always assumed that he was playing it up for the camera, but the fact that you seem completely sincere in your delusions is making me re-evaluate.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  48. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    In order to hide the link to the tweet you have to place the more tag before the link, not after.

    Ukraine taking Crimea within a year is unlikely, but not as unlikely as Ukraine getting conquered within a year from the start of the invasion (or within a month or 7 days or whatever), as most pro-Russian people had predicted. Predicting Kiev would fall in 24 or 48 hours was far more unrealistic than predicting that Ukraine will have Crimea by late 2023.

    If Ukraine happens to take all of Kherson oblast, taking the northern parts of Crimea is not infeasible.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Mikhail
  49. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    You’re right. The brave Russian officials look heroic and have tried to stand up to their autocrat Putler and do the right things, but soon all of them will be hunted down by the police and FSB and by December they’ll all be put behind bars on the flimsiest of pretexts. Isn’t that the way it always end up within Putlerstan? 🙁

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  50. A123 says: • Website
    @Joe Paluka

    “North American rail networks”

    Only the US is shown, not the other two major countries of North America.

    It was the graphic from the story. Not mine.

    I had a similar thought well after the five minute edit window passed. The red line on the prior map (coded CN) is Canadian National Railway Company.

    A more complete graphic is below.

    PEACE 😇

     

  51. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    When the Ukrainians get their howitzers and himars in range and start to hammer the naval base, the Russians will characteristically flee like rats from a sinking ship and it’ll be all over in the south too.The bridge gone will be a spectacular sign of victory too!

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @216
  52. @siberiancat

    I was thinking more about in Vietnam and the various other places the SKS was used, rather than Russia.

  53. @Mr. Hack

    After the great re-set sets in rebuilding war destruction will be off the table and the ruins will be there for effective eternity.

    Cheering for this crap ain’t what it used to be you fool.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  54. Mr. Hack says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    They’re still talking about using the 300 billion in Russian assets seized to get the ball rolling. What are you mumbling about?

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    , @AnonfromTN
  55. @Joe Paluka

    I don’t know how one could brag that one MRNA vaccine is “better” than another,

    Neither Sputnik nor AstraZeneca are mRNA-based. Both are adenovirus-based. While “mRNA vaccines” are pure fraud, adenovirus is a tried platform that has a good chance of working. It just so happens that Sputnik shows higher efficiency and fewer side effects.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  56. @Mr. Hack

    They’re still talking about using the 300 billion in Russian assets seized to get the ball rolling

    Fortunate with the amount of “aid” i.e loans that the west is providing to 404 ( the biggest waste of money in history since Klitschko’s heavily cracked cyclist-pedestrian bridge) – a big slice of that 300 billion just goes straight to the US Treasury, while the much larger western financial assets in Russia will get seized permanently for ourselves, until a mutually beneficial solution is found. I don’t think all that 300 billion is possible to transfer to a different state anyway you idiot. Loans since and prexisting the war are 120 billion(??)) – it’s easy to see it getting to 200 billion at least and further depending on how many ukronazis the anglosaxons and other vermin want to see killed.

    There won’t be any reparations ( except from 404 to Russia for our safe protection of 3.7 million Ukrainian passport holders ( and increasing) since February).

    Wasn’t this morally justified and beautifully played by Russian heroes, war all avoidable if f**kheadistan had not whored itself up for America to stop NS2, just so that is could earn 2-3 USD billion a year in gas transit money, from the country that created it, but that 404 supposedly wants to derussify from you POS?

    Wasn’t this morally justified and beautifully played by Russian heroes, war all avoidable if f**kheadistan had not imposed sanctions on Belarus? perhaps the dumbest, retardedly stupid political decision in history, from which sucessful operation in the north /Kiev against the ukronazis launched from Belarus would never have happened without these sanctions. Would have just had a similar situation to Kazakhstan you dumb prick – a state leadership saved by Russia after domestic/western NGO provoked attempted coup, proving useless in showing assistance diplomatically, politically and militarily to the SMO in 404…even hostility to it.

  57. @Barbarossa

    What a nice surprise – a man who likes guns! We can talk guns all day.

    I own an SKS which I think is better constructed gun than the AK-47. Both the gun and the ammo are really inexpensive and it’s a very versatile, easy to shoot gun.

    The SKS is a Soviet counterpart of the Garand. Both good rifles. The Garand is prettier. You can paint the SKS wood with Duracoat and make it look a lot more appealing.

    But regarding the AK it was arguably the best full-auto design of the century. The Swiss Army uses their own version of it, the Finns use their own version of it, and these peoples know a thing or two about rifles.

    But now there are better designs.

    The fact that it was made to perform while being dragged through the mud and broken down/ serviced by illiterate peasants is an asset.

    Even illiterate peasants can be trained and taught to field strip an AR-15.

    The reason for that seeming simplicity is reliability issues that any rifle will inevitably have in the conditions of the Russian winter. There is an article somewhere about how the cops on Alaska were testing 12 different rifles for their department, and the Finnish Valmet and the Israeli Galil they had performed a lot better than 10 others. So in the end they chose the Valmet M76.

    It is a straight AK clone.

    Kalashnikov himself used to say that it is not hard to make it complicated but the craft is required to make it plain.

    I’d still really like an M1 Garand someday though. They are just too cool. In the meantime I’ll settle for a Mauser.

    You mean the Yugoslavian Mauser, the M48? A good rifle.

    Where I live now it is possible to get a shotgun but a hunting license is required, as well as a membership in a hunting club, and I do not hunt. I miss guns.

    Where I used to live I had two pistols but no rifles. Does not make sense to have a rifle in the city, but I still want to have a few. If I lived where you live I would have a bunch.

    [MORE]

    Here is a screenshot of the summary from that article I was talking about.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  58. A123 says: • Website

    THE CRITICAL DRINKER: Why Modern Movies Suck — They Hate Their Own Fans (Video; NSFW language):

    As Will Jordan notes in the above video, Disney in particular absolutely loves this tactic to both gin-up hype, and wave away large scale fan hatred of their latest reboot. QED: Disney’s The Little Mermaid Live Action Trailer Dropped, And Fans Are Getting Called Racist For Hating It.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://instapundit.com/542259/

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Hunsdon
  59. @Mr. Hack

    They’re still talking about using the 300 billion in Russian assets seized to get the ball rolling.

    Unlawfully taking possession of someone else’s property is a crime of theft (check criminal code of any country, including the US). Those using stolen property rarely come to a good end. The mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  60. songbird says:
    @Vishnugupta

    Believe Juno is actually solar-powered. (Supposed to be cheaper than an RTG). But it has massive panels, and I imagine the efficiency is higher than anything they could manage in the ’70s. And, of course, I doubt it would would be practical further out than Jupiter.

    I remember seeing an old Nat Geo about Voyager when I was a boy. It was pretty inspiring to see all the images of the different moons. (It was almost like something out of science fiction, to see these probes image multiple bodies, just like a starship (even if it was only a flyby). Probably, the most inspired I have ever been about space.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  61. @Gerard1234

    AnonFromTN or Here be Dragon – surely you can backup that his comments confirm the fact this creep has never set foot in Ukraine, and the ignorance and BS go far past lying to coverup Ukraines post-independence failures?

    He told me that he had visited Ukraine a few times. He said he had some relatives in a village near Kiev.

    He is talking the same crap as most Ukrainians are now talking. Believes whatever their propaganda postulates with no regard whether it is a truth or a lie whatsoever. It does not matter to them.

    Surely it’s obvious from this wacko? I would like ACTUAL ukrainians, who also are ukronazis to be on this blog commenting – not this compulsive liar fantasist POS American.

    He is a diaspora Ukrainian and is a certified Nazi. But he is a stupid troll, and a latent schizophrenic as well.

    [MORE]

    His sources look like this.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonfromTN
  62. @songbird

    Yes Juno is the exception.It generates 3-5% power in Jupiter’s orbit that it does in earth orbit.The way it works is there is a lithium ion battery pack which is slowly charged and for any serious activity the li ion battery power is used.

    Extremely unwieldy which is why it is a one off.Even this would not be possible in the USSR timeframe no Li Ion battery and much less efficient solar cells back then.

  63. Beckow says:
    @A123

    …Why Modern Movies Suck — They Hate Their Own Fans

    It started with petty resentments by the marginals who slowly took over the culture. Then they started to consciously influence and change people – can you imagine shoe or toaster producers deciding to change their customers?

    By now it has become straight-forward propaganda. The business problem is that nobody can make profit selling propaganda, that means they have to control access. First to promote their own unsellable crap, but since that only works so far, now also to limit any competition. It is a downward spiral, we are about 50-70% there.

    It will eventually collapse, nobody will own up to it – ‘it just happened, we meant well’.

    • Agree: A123
  64. @Wokechoke

    The Bridges should have been the first targets. But that’s just me. Why didn’t they cut the country in two day one?

    Must be because the left bank is dependent on supplies from the right bank. If the Russians bring the bridges down who will feed the population?

    And then imagine the titles on the front pages of The New York Times and The Guardian and the rest of them. Holodomor 2.0! Humanitarian catastrophe! Starving children!

    And Putin with the Stalin’s mustaches.

    But I think at least some of the bridges can and should be demolished. And a number of other power stations as well.

    Speaking of which the Ukrainian TV has reported that their forces – that I guess is the US personnel – have taken down a drone which appears to be the Iranian Shahed-136.

    ЗСУ знищили іранський безпілотник

    If that is true then either the Russians have started manufacturing them or Iran has begun selling them. It is a disgrace that Russia has to purchase them from Iran, but these drones are impressive.

    The suicide drones. Seem to be powerful. And the chassis is a regular cargo truck with a launch rack disguised as a standard container. Now as the Russians have these drones those Ukrainian HIMARS will not last much longer.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  65. @AnonfromTN

    I thought you were some sort of biochemistry whiz.

    Vaccinating corona viruses (this is what my spell check gives for the plural of virus) is analogous to locating the end of the rainbow. Those buggers mutate/evolve faster than an immune system can be modulated. This is basic science in some factions of the genius population.

    I read yesterday that Ron Unz got his annual flu-tile shot.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  66. Derer says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    This is a dispute of whose propaganda machine is better. US adopted Goebbels school is better.

    I came to realization that Americans live in a world of pseudo-truth which artificially created for them their mainstream media. Therefore I applaud the UNZ.COM for encouraging the quest for real truth.

  67. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Those buggers mutate/evolve faster than an immune system can be modulated.

    Absolutely. The same applies to the flu virus (although it’s from a different family). Flu shots presumably protect you from the last year flu, which is totally pointless this year. Then again, people believed all sorts of preposterous things for thousands of years, so the belief in flu shots does not stand out. Errare human est, as Romans rightly said.

    In a market economy (“let the buyer beware” type that we have) it does not matter whether covid of flu vaccines protect you. The only important thing is that they bring billions in profits to the people who thereby get enough money to buy CDC and government officials, who then pretend to care about your health (LOL).

    However, some things remain the same in different strains, so if you are lucky and developed antibodies against something that is identical in the previous strain of corona or flu and the current one, you are protected. It appears that a lot of people who have lucky (cross-reacting) antibodies against some common cold viruses (these are related to covid, all are coronaviruses) are protected against covid. In the US they are still forced to be “vaccinated” to increase the profits of Pfizer and Moderna.

  68. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    More likely for Banderastan.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  69. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Ukraine taking Crimea within a year is unlikely, but not as unlikely as Ukraine getting conquered within a year from the start of the invasion (or within a month or 7 days or whatever), as most pro-Russian people had predicted. Predicting Kiev would fall in 24 or 48 hours was far more unrealistic than predicting that Ukraine will have Crimea by late 2023.

    Who said such? I didn’t. Macgregor didn’t say that Kiev would fall within 24 to 48 hours. Rather, he has been of the view that the Russian deployment outside Kiev was a diversion/obstacle. I sad likewise, noting that the Russian numbers in that area weren’t enough to take a city of that size.

    No one I know advocated taking all of Ukraine’s Commie drawn boundary.

    Hodges is the bigger clown.

    • Replies: @AP
  70. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Believes whatever their propaganda postulates with no regard whether it is a truth or a lie whatsoever

    Yet you are the one who insisted that Ukraine took back no more than 1% or 2% of its lost territory and that power was out permanently in Kharkiv, two easily refutable lies.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  71. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    Who said such? I didn’t.

    I didn’t mean you personally, but thanks for the clarification.

    Macgregor didn’t say that Kiev would fall within 24 to 48 hours.

    That idiot with no credibility said many other ridiculous things.

    Col. Douglas MacGregor predicted on March 5 that Russia would have the Ukrainians defeated in 10 days after they’d initially been “too gentle.” (2/x)

    [MORE]

    “Here’s Col. MacGregor again on March 7th saying “The war is really over for the Ukrainians…they have been grounded to bits.””

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  72. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    You put the More tag below, contradicting your earlier suggestion.

    Overall, Hodges is the one who has made the more idiotic comments.

    https://strategic-culture.org/news/2021/05/22/bbc-limits-and-related-censorship-on-russia-coverage/

    On another matter you raise it’s well understood that the Russian troop presence and overall use of force is quite minimal from what it could otherwise be.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Sean
  73. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail

    You put the More tag below, contradicting your earlier suggestion.

    Sorry. In this case AP is correct.

    Ideally a post should be :

    ========================================
    Text about what you are going to embed.

    “!–more–“ Tag

    Threats to thread stability such as a series of embedded tweets.
    ========================================

    An even better solution is repacking what you want to say out of the tweet format.

    Some fast moving stories or pieces of humor need the tweet structure. Most of the time the bulky tweet adds essentially no value to the communication.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  74. @Vishnugupta

    Boeing 747 and IL 86 were the first wide body jet passenger aircraft of the US and the USSR.

    That does not put them in the same class. The Boeing 747 is a longer and larger plane.

    The lenght of 747 is 70 m, of Il-86 – 60 m. The wing span of 747 is 60 m, of Il-86 – 48 m. The weight of 747 is 170 tonn, of Il-86 – 115 tonn.

    These planes belong to different classes. You cannot compare an SUV to a crossover or a minivan. It is pointless.

    The 747 accomodates 400 passengers, the Il-86 – 320 and the Il-96 430. The range of 747 is 12,150 km, of the Il-86 5,000 km and of the Il-96M – 11,500 km.

    The Il-96M is a more comparable plane. The lenght – 65 m, the wing span – 60 m, the weight – 130 tonn.

    The Il-86 is a plane of a different class, designed for different uses.

    Despite entering service over a decade after the 747 you say that it is not in the same class but instead the IL 96 – a massively improved IL 86 class aircraft which entered service TWO DECADES after the 747 should be considered as the Russian/Soviet counterpart to the 747.

    Yes.

    And even more so because there has not been much of a change in the civilian aircraft design during the last few decades.

    Better consider this.

    There have been 1570 of the Boeing 747 built and 166 accidents have happened causing 3,746 fatalities. For each one of these planes there have been more than two people killed.

    There have been 106 of the Il-86 built and 10 accidents have happened causing 23 fatalities unrelated to passengers. During its passenger-carrying operations the Il-86 has not been involved in any fatal accident.

    The same with the Il-96M.

    Thanks for proving my point.

    You do not have a point. What you have said is ignorant and irrational. You worship Uncle Sam for a pack of candies.

    [MORE]

    But I admit that regarding the space probes you were correct.

    The Soviet Union had been leading for the first 20 years, than the Americans moved on. But I think it is because the Soviet Union was artificially ruined. Had it not happened the Soviet Union would have caught up with the Americans and got back on track in a matter of another 20 years and become a leader again.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  75. @Mikhail

    You need to place the More tag before the tweet and not after it!

    Hide them under a spoiler, these tweets slow down the page.

  76. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    The thing is, that it’s currently going on in Russia. Why not try addressing the issue of the recent request of Some of Russia’s officials (in several cities) for Putler to step aside in lieu of his being responsible for the disastrous war in Ukraine? For being the one responsible for the demise of the Russian economy that’s being sanctioned by the West? Why do you duck your cowardly head and refuse to state, for the record, whether you agree with these voices of dissent or not?


    Where is Averko hiding today?

    Ever notice that Averko doesn’t really have much to say these days of any value or substance? He’s even a poor substitute for a Putler troll. Just more twitter junk that he doesn’t even know how to paste here without eating up so much space?…He’s unable to answer the simplest of questions, like even if he agrees/disagrees with the latest flock of Russian officials that bravely choose to voice their grievances with old Putler about the stupid war that he’s conducting. Averko is a waste of time, as is his own blog that nobody even reads. Never did read, never will read.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  77. @Here Be Dragon

    IL 96M is roughly comparable to the A340.

    Soviet civil aviation came closest to EU/US with the IL 62.

    It then took considerable time to develop high bypass turbofan engines and lagged the west throughout the 1970s, just as these designs developed with a great deal of time and money (D-18,PS 90 etc) were coming online and finding their way into civilian projects it collapsed. Tragic.

    Incidentally my first flight was in a Soviet Aeroflot IL 86 in 1990.

    Delhi-Tashkent-Moscow-London instead of a direct flight but Aeroflot tickets were 1/6 the cost of British Airways so the family figured our time wasn’t worth the cost difference.I was 7 years old.

  78. @AP

    You are the one who insisted that Ukraine took back no more than 1% or 2% of its lost territory and that power was out permanently in Kharkiv, two easily refutable lies.

    Even according to what Ukraine itself is claiming it has returned 3,000 square km of the lost territories. Various sources state that the Russians are controlling 130 thousand square km of Ukraine. Therefore according to Ukraine it has recaptured 2.3 percent of what it had lost.

    But I estimated from looking at the map that it is rather a piece of land of about 40 by 60 km. That is 2,400 square km, or 1.8 percent of 130,000.

    You said it was 10 percent. That would be 13 thousand square km, or a piece of land of about 200 by 60 km, which it is not. Plus even those 40 by 60 are not entirely under control of Ukraine.

    Lies are in your head AP, because you are not a man but an anthropoid. You are incapable of thinking like a man. You prefer exaggerated or whatsoever false but comforting declarations to the truth because it is the world of sick imagination in which you live. You are so deep in it that reality hurts you.

    The same as Arestovich said, remember?

    The national idea of Ukraine is to lie, to others and to ourselves, and to lie as much as possible, because if we start telling the truth everything will collapse.

    And regarding the power grid the Kharkov plant was damaged so badly, that it is not possible to get it back to working order neither in 3 hours nor in 3 weeks. The transformers were destroyed.

    Even an idiot is supposed to understand that 12 missiles do a lot of damage. A lot more than can be repaired any time soon.

    There are substations that they probably have used to reroute electricity from other regions to Kharkov but it is not going to be enough for everything to operate as usual.

    The nuclear plant in Energodar is not working. The Kharkov plant is not working. And the Russians can demolish other plants if need be.

    And they are getting kamikaze drones now. From Iran. So good luck with retaking Crimea, have sweet dreams tonight.

    • Replies: @AP
  79. @Here Be Dragon

    That AP person claims to live in the US. According to him, his parents ran away with the Nazis from the Red Army in WWII. He also claims to have visited Ukraine several times in recent years.

    Typical diaspora Ukie whose ideology is not far from that of the Nazis and whose knowledge of the current life in Ukraine comes from a few brief visits. Russian jokes “do not confuse tourism with emigration” and “Ukie is not a nationality, but a diagnosis” come to mind.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  80. Sean says:
    @Mikhail

    Before the war started, Ben Hodges said if the Russians tried to take Kiev they would fail.

    The consensus at the begining of hostilities among Western observers was the Russian force was too small.

    I think it is now clear that the Russians are not as good as the Western Military Industrial Complex has told us. The Soviets were thought to have all sorts of capabilities that after the Cold War ended it was discovered they did not have. The WMIC and the retired (and soon to be retired) generals who shill for them needed to boost the–relatively small compared to the Soviets–Russian army’s presumed formidableness. But this was on the basis of counter insurgency, not war against a peer, which Ukraine is close enough to being that with years of training by Hodges and others plus cutting edge equipment, omnipresent US surveillance, and a total lack of official tolerance for a Crimea style failure to resist, Russia is going to have to call out the reserves and credibly threaten radical escalation against America to get a meaningful victory.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Wokechoke
  81. Hunsdon says:
    @A123

    “That’s all I’ve got for today. Go away, now.”

    I see that you, too, are a man of culture!

    • Replies: @A123
  82. @AnonfromTN

    Yes.

    He has a great Victorian house on the East Coast. There he has a great life with a charming wife and a couple of children. He has a high income and is moving between continents often. And he is a medical professional with a PhD.

    Not sure how much of it is true but that is what he said.

    He said his grandparents ran from the Russians but were not Banderites. And that his other grandparents were landlords from Poland. He went to Poland to check out his potential inheritance – a village full of peasants who were pleased to see him. The master has returned!

    And his great-uncle or something was a Bolshevik who knew Lenin, and then he worked with Yeltsin. He helped Lenin to establish the USSR and then helped Yeltsin to dismantle it.

    And now AP is a philosopher.

    He figured out that since there were less homicides in Rovno in 2010 than were in Zhitomir then it must have been because the population of Rovno had spent less time under the Soviet regime.

    Perhaps that is how he earned his PhD.

    • Replies: @AP
  83. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    You’re now going to bat for the Russian oligarchs that you’ve been bashing for years, for being useless parasites that only prosper from illegal ponzi schemes and outright theft of the goods and services of the productive class of entrepreneurs and inventors? Shows how consistent your are in your thoughts and beliefs.

    Besides, who said anything about unlawful possession? The Russian oligarchs are being harassed around the world for criminal activity that they are allowed to perform within Russia that extends beyond its borders too. They remain the beneficiaries of these yachts and only need to appear in the country where the yachts are seized and defend their actions in the host country, something that they should have been responsible to do in the first place. Boo hoo for Abramovich and company, Professor Janissar? 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  84. S says:
    @Coconuts

    From the perspective of now, if you are interested in the preservation and continuation of distinct European cultures and peoples, it looks like the Anti-Enlightenment guys were more in the right.

    Yes, though I protest the book author’s (Sternhell) seeming Manichean use of the term ‘Anti-Enlightenment’. Earlier on, myself and no doubt many others, would have been in full agreement with the identification of many of the world’s social ills by the ‘enlightened’/’progressive’ ones, and the solutions offered by them, up to a point.

    But maybe they [preservationists, ie so called ‘Anti-Enlightenment’] are/were impossible to follow in practice for other reasons.

    Well, I’m within the Anglosphere (ie the US), so I’ll speak to that.

    In a word, slavery, is what makes it almost impossible to follow what I call the preservers of peoples and cultures. Peoplehood and slavery don’t mix. It (slavery) literally destroys everything it touches, and one would of thought the near disaster (the almost destruction of the Roman Republic) resulting from the Spartacus slave revolt in ancient Rome would of been enough to cause all Europe to swear off slavery forever…but, alas.

    Far later in time, the failure to have dealt in a truthful manner with chattel slavery and it’s trade in the Anglosphere, where instead of abolishing it (as claimed), but, instead to have in reality monetized it with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, ie specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, the economic and political basis of the modern progressive multi-cultural state, has been a catastrophe of unprecedented proportions for the peoples of the world and for mankind as a whole. (See the Unz ‘comment’ link below for elaboration.)

    A slavery based ‘progressive’ world order, which is what it appears we are headed to unless something stops it, where ‘you will have nothing, you will work for nothing, and, you will be happy’, is not a desirable future for anyone.

    Groups coming from outside of Europe as immigrants should retain an advantage for some period of time. I just saw an article indicating that Pakistani, Bangladeshi and African children as well as Indians and E. Asians are now outperforming whites in school exam results in the UK, and their share of the population is set to grow pretty quickly over the next decades as well.

    I perceive this differently.

    Though I see where you are coming from in regards to certain potentially misguided and pernicious ideas of the Enlightenment, I believe the slavery aspect of things I’ve described here has had the greater negative impact.

    The US/UK forced Germany upon their WWII defeat and occupation to take Turkish wage slaves, ie the so called ‘guest workers’. France since the time of Napoleon’s crushing defeat at Waterloo (circa 1815) was effectively reduced to being a satellite state of the British Empire. Both France and Germany, I submit, have been strongly influenced by the US/UK in their adoption of wage slavery, ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, with (supposed) ‘refugees’ acting as a flimsy figleaf. The smaller countries of Western Europe have simply fallen in line behind the US/UK influenced France and Germany.

    Slavery was rightly called a scourge upon mankind. The person purchasing a slave, or exploiting a wage slave (ie ‘cheap labor’), betrays everyone, ie the slave, his own people, ultimately himself. They wind up ‘caring’ more about their slave than their own people, though ‘caring’ here is probably not exactly the right term.

    In the case of Britain, the lack of love and compassion towards their own, the near complete neglect and abandonment by the modern slavers of their own British people (reflected in the mass rape of young girls by grooming gangs of ‘migrants’, stabbings of natives by the same, discrimination against the natives in favor of the ‘migrants’) has without doubt lowered the young British people’s performance in tests, and caused a failure to thrive.

    As for the actual test scores, and reflecting the modern progressives obsession with literal sameness (what they call ‘equality’), who can say how accurate they are? Have they possibly in certain (many?) instances artificially lowered the neglected native’s test results, and elevated the test scores of the doted upon settlers/colonists/wage slave’s children? A lady in the United States, who cared about the truth, actually wrote a book on this very subject, and said they [school teachers] were doing tremendous harm by artificially inflating test results of various ethnic groups and were decidedly not ‘helping’ them.

    Anyhow, quoting the book author Sternhell, I’m in full agreement with him, in both the individual and collective sense:

    ‘I consider the right of human beings to be their own masters a natural right.’

    The rest of Sternhell’s quote is below ‘more’. Whenever he speaks of ‘Zion’, it’s just as true for any other race or ethnicity, everybody needs a home of their own. As do those who don’t care about these things, and refugees, for which in a far better world they would have had their own place, too, and with abundant resources.

    Alas, and unless something changes, the world we seem to be headed to is one which claims to love everyone, but in reality cares about no one.

    [MORE]

    He [Zeev Sternhell] described himself as liberal. Regarding Zionism, Sternhell said in an interview with Haaretz:

    ‘I am not only a Zionist, I am a super-Zionist. For me, Zionism was and remains the right of the Jews to control their fate and their future. I consider the right of human beings to be their own masters a natural right. A right of which the Jews were deprived by history and which Zionism restored to them. That is its deep meaning. And as such, it is indeed a tremendous revolution that touches the lives of each of us. I felt that revolution when I immigrated to Israel alone at the age of 16. Only then, when I disembarked at Haifa from the ship Artza, did I stop being an object of others’ action and became a subject. Only then did I become a person who is in control of himself and not dependent on others.’

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-195/#comment-5519202

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeev_Sternhell

  85. @Mr. Hack

    FYI, 300 billion you mentioned are not the property of Russian oligarchs (who are thieving scum, exactly like American, Ukrainian, and any other oligarchs). This is the property of the RF. It was stolen, in purely criminal sense of the word, like the property of Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and others before. Like Syrian oil is being stolen by the US even as we type these comments.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  86. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Sean

    Kiev regime has been getting Western military training for over twenty years.

    It’s way too early to say that Russia is a military flop. Let’s see what happens between now and the end of the year as well as thereafter.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Johnny Rico
  87. Mikhail says: • Website

    Re: Clint Ehrlich

    Going from one extreme to another doesn’t necessarily make for accurate analysis. Today it appears “surprising’ to many. Never mind that there could be impending surprises, going the other way between now and the end of the year and quite possibly beyond.

    [MORE]

  88. RF government initial 2022 financial surplus from high energy prices withering away just half year from the start of invasion while effects of coal and oil supply to EU restrictions haven’t even being felt yet:

    Russia’s budget surplus for 2022 has almost evaporated after a sharp drop in energy exports during August led to a monthly deficit of as much as Rbs360bn (\$5.9bn).
    Russia recorded a surplus of almost Rbs500bn in the first seven months of the year. But the cumulative total fell to only Rbs137bn last month, suggesting a big deficit in August which economists attributed to sharp declines in oil and gas revenues. Russia’s surplus over the first six months of the year reached Rbs1.37tn as it built a war chest on the back of soaring energy prices.
    Russian gas flows to Europe have dwindled to about one-fifth of pre-invasion deliveries. In early September it said it would keep Nord Stream 1, which runs under the Baltic Sea to Germany, shut indefinitely unless the west lifted sanctions imposed over Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.
    The sharp deterioration of Russian state finances comes as its army is being routed in northeastern Ukraine in its biggest military setback since losing the battle for the capital Kyiv in March.
    Oil and gas revenues, which make up almost half of the budget revenues received so far this year, were down 18 per cent year-on-year over the January-August period, according to the data.
    The EU has also banned imports of Russian coal. An EU ban on shipped Russian crude imports is due to come into effect in December.
    Non-oil and gas revenues also fell drastically, by 37 per cent year on year, in January-August, the data showed.

    https://archive.ph/3N8nS#selection-1643.0-1681.39

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  89. Sean says:
    @Mikhail

    Putin is going to end up brandishing nukes to get respect, and they won’t believe he he can be that desperate

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  90. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Even according to what Ukraine itself is claiming it has returned 3,000 square km of the lost territories.

    Ukraine was claiming more than 8,000 in the recent offensive:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-calls-more-western-arms-after-russia-pullback-2022-09-12/

    In an evening address, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said around 8,000 square km (3,100 square miles) have been liberated so far, apparently all in the northeastern region of Kharkiv.

    3,000 was from Sunday. Maybe in your “honesty” you will look at numbers from the first day when it was only 1,000?

    Various sources state that the Russians are controlling 130 thousand square km of Ukraine

    In late July it was 126,000 square kilometers:

    https://csmtimes.com/how-big-is-occupied-ukraine-use-this-interactive-map-to-find-out

    So 6.3%. I was wrong, but I was a lot closer than your 1.8% claim.

    But I estimated from looking at the map that it is rather a piece of land of about 40 by 60 km. That is 2,400 square km, or 1.8 percent of 130,000.

    Does this (the blue part) look like 1.8% of the light red territory to you?

    (Note that the map was from Saturday and since that time the rest of Kharkiv oblast has been captured. )

    No, it looks like around 10%. But I admit it is actually 6.3% as of last night.

    And regarding the power grid the Kharkov plant was damaged so badly, that it is not possible to get it back to working order neither in 3 hours nor in 3 weeks. The transformers were destroyed.

    Your lying words:

    “The Kharkov power plant was destroyed yesterday with 12 air-to-surface missiles. There is no power in the city and in the area around. The trains and the subway do not run and will not run anytime soon.”

    Reality:

    https://www.metro.kharkov.ua/krukh-liniiamy-metkropolitenu-vidnovleno.html

    Рух лініями метрополітену відновлено

    (“Movement of metro lines is restored)

    “My, but the Russians really do want to knock out the electrical grid in Kharkov.

    They hit it last night at exactly 8 PM. It came back on six hours later.

    Then this afternoon at around 1:30 PM, they hit it again. Power was out for about 3 1/2 hours or so, depending on location.”

    :::::::::::::::::::

    Soviets come in many different varieties but they share in common a love of lies.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Here Be Dragon
  91. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    And he is a medical professional with a PhD.

    I never claimed to have a PhD, I stated doctoral level. It could be a PhD, MD, DO or PharmD, I was vague.

    I once met our former host when I visited Moscow. I disagree strongly with him about this war, but unlike you he is not a Sovok and he is intelligent and honest. He has corroborated my background:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4794693

    And his great-uncle or something was a Bolshevik who knew Lenin, and then he worked with Yeltsin

    Someone I am related to (but am not descended from) worked very closely with Yakovlev and knew Gorbachev well, but did not know Yeltsin well or work with him, though met him a few times. I heard that Yeltsin had actually been very sharp and bright earlier in his career, and that Gorbachev was an absolute scumbag. This person’s ancestor knew Krupskaya, not Lenin, and was involved in the Soviet educational system – the creation Sharikovs, like you.

    You are descended from someone who was arresting people at the end of the Red Terror.

    And now AP is a philosopher.

    He figured out that since there were less homicides in Rovno in 2010 than were in Zhitomir then it must have been because the population of Rovno had spent less time under the Soviet regime.

    It doesn’t take a philosopher, it only takes someone who can see and who is honest, to see how things go wrong when you cross the 1945 Soviet border. Sovoks corrupted what they touched.

    Births out of wedlock, more-Soviet east of the green line:

    [MORE]

    Assaults 2010:

    Violent crimes 2019. Look how it jumps right when you cross that green border:

    All crimes 2008:

    Yes, the extreme Northwest is a higher outlier, something is going on there, but the overall trend is very clear.

    :::::::::::::

    When confronted with reality all you can do is sputter “paranoid schizophrenia”, as if it weren’t transparent that you are the one with such problems. Remember your paranoid treatise about Freemasons and Jews and Babylon? Not as impressive as Sabato’s Report on the Blind but obvious still.

  92. @Here Be Dragon

    I do like guns, having a particular weakness for old wood stocked military guns like the Mauser, M1, Enfield, etc. I’m not really a gun nut though, so I suspect I wouldn’t be able to keep up for long in any in depth discussion with you!

    That’s interesting on the gun testing in Alaska. There are such a variety of operation conditions which may or may not be accounted for in the design phase.

    Kalashnikov himself used to say that it is not hard to make it complicated but the craft is required to make it plain.

    That is, in my opinion, the mark of an intelligent engineer.

    I was looking at a Czech M98 Mauser locally. Do you prefer the M48 and if so, why? I was somewhat under the impression that the fit and machining was not quite up to par with the pre-war M98 or M96, though I’m no expert.

    The Mosin Nagant seems like another very creditable cheap military gun, but they are a bit ugly. I like the lines of a Mauser much better and wouldn’t mind spending a bit more for one.

    One story happened to me recently that you might get a kick from. I was at a yard sale recently when I saw this old double barrel shotgun along with a lamp/ gun stand. The guy wanted \$30 for it and so I picked it up for the cool factor. I suspected it might be deactivated or something, but while well used it’s a perfectly shootable 10Ga shotgun. It’s probably 1890’s or so in the Continental pattern with double exterior hammers, though there were no makers marks anywhere but a proof stamp on the barrel. I just need to get some light load shells to try it out. I’ve always wanted a double barrel shotgun like that as they are another irrational weakness of mine.

    As you see I like my guns like I prefer women; pretty and competent!

    I don’t have much interest in more modern assault rifles or anything with a synthetic stock. That’s just my preference.

    I’m sorry to hear about the restrictive gun laws your way. That would irritate me to no end.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  93. @S

    There is a minor cult which seems to mostly avoid publicity and harks back to pre-literate Europe supposedly recorded in the Oera Linda book.

    https://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/olb/index.htm

    This is ancient Frisia, currently in the boundary of the Netherlands. The authorities in academic Netherlands dismiss it as counterfeit-hoax.

    A couple of their presentations put the number one thing in their ideology: no slaves and don’t have any business with slavers. Their content is interesting but what I have seen to date is very very sparse.

    • Replies: @S
  94. A123 says: • Website
    @Hunsdon

    Thanks. Simple truths are often the best truths.

    I appreciate your support.

    PEACE 😇

  95. @AP

    I never claimed to have a PhD, I stated doctoral level. It could be a PhD, MD, DO or PharmD,

    I always tell my grad students that a degree does not make anyone smarter than they were before getting it, and that its absence does not make anyone dumber than they are. Thanks for additional confirmation of this statement.

  96. A123 says: • Website
    @AP

    A win is a win. The Kiev regime has a win in the North.

    GW Bush had a win in Iraq. Please, refresh my memory, “How did that go for W after declaring Mission Accomplished”?

    Having taking Izyum before winter sets in — What will happen to the Russian speaking civilians now under Kiev’s “protection”?

    If Zelensky now believes he has the upper hand, is now not the best time to seek an armistice?

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @AP
  97. @A123

    Having taking Izyum before winter sets in — What will happen to the Russian speaking civilians now under Kiev’s “protection”?

    Neither the clown nor his puppeteers give a hoot about residents of Izyum speaking Russian, Ukrainian, or any other language. The same applies to all residents of so-called Ukraine.

    • Replies: @A123
  98. Wokechoke says:
    @Sean

    Invading with less than 250,000 men threw me off. It didn’t look big enough To do the Big Red Arrow stuff the British MOD were “predicting”. I would have also expected destruction of the bridges on the Dneiper and destruction of the grid if a general inavsion was planned.

    The attack on Kiev was designed as a coup de main. Once that politically failed the 40 mile convoy was a ruse to cover evacuating the north.

    I had expected the Royal Navvy would initiate a bombing of Sevastopol.

    • Replies: @Sean
  99. Mikhail says: • Website

    Among other things, this piece serves as a reply to some of Sean’s recent comments:

    https://strategic-culture.org/news/2022/09/13/the-kharkov-game-changer/

    What the likes of David Muir sidestep –

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Sean
  100. Lurker says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    those Ukrainian HIMARS will not last much longer

    Most of them are probably gone anyway. Their importance has been vastly inflated.

    Notice how the magical TB-2 drone has largely dropped out of the narrative. I presume there are now very few left. Ditto for NLAW and Javelin missiles.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Here Be Dragon
  101. 216 says: • Website
    @Lurker

    The West is ramping up production of its ATGM and MANPADS.

    Much of the Ukrainian Air Force is still flightworthy, and Russia has not used its Felons to shut it down. Perhaps this is to avoid the US sending its F-35 to Ukraine, which will show that the Felon is not good enough to fight its peers.

    We have seen that Russia is now using cheap Iranian drones, woefully reverse engineered from the excellent American models.

    • Troll: Here Be Dragon
  102. @sher singh

    No, nobody has given me a job over demonstrably more qualified candidates.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  103. 216 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Trading the Kerch Bridge for a Pride Parade is morally repulsive. If you had honor you would surrender.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  104. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    Having taking Izyum before winter sets in — What will happen to the Russian speaking civilians now under Kiev’s “protection”?

    Neither the clown nor his puppeteers give a hoot about residents of Izyum speaking Russian, Ukrainian, or any other language. The same applies to all residents of so-called Ukraine.

    You analysis of Zelensky’s sincerity towards the Ukrainian people is well taken.

    However… I am leading towards a more tactical issue. The Ukrainian military governorship of Izyum will soon be de facto martial law. Treatment of civilians 100% falls on Zelensky’s regime.

    Will he punish the residents, including children, of Izyum with rationed food, limited electricity, and inadequate heat?

    Will Zelensky direct additional humanitarian aid forward to Izyum? That would cure the global media issue, however treating Izyum “better than” loyal Ukrainians is also highly problematic.
    ___

    Iraq did not plan the post-win fiascos faced by W.

    Russia is not planning the post-win fiascos faced by Zelensky.

    Nevertheless, there are parables about winning battles & losing wars.

    PEACE 😇

  105. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    multi-culturalism

    The question for most people will be what is the result on the scale between Singapore or Lebanon/Yugoslavia.

    Singapore multiculturalism will not be scary for most people, while Lebanon/Yugoslavia will be for most everyone.

    But Singapore is multiculturalism with a kind of “enlightened despotism”, with Soviet aspects. Some of the policies are similar to French writers like Saint-Simon.

    Their housing policy is a kind of Saint-Simon’s rationalism. At 10:10 they discuss about how they mix the ethnic groups within the buildings, to prevent separate ethnic areas existing.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  106. 216 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    Why do you even bother to argue with this personage?

    You can dish it, but you cannot take it.

    What myth-makers cannot explain is how come the USSR created an H-bomb before the US where the technology allegedly originated.

    US test was in November 1952
    USSR test was in August 1953

    The US program was shot through with spies, and its probable that designs were leaked to the USSR from the highest level for the purpose of the “balance of power”. Reagan actually explicitly proposed doing this with SDI.

    Again, the liars failed to explain how come the USSR beat the US in sending the first satellite and the first man into space.

    Von Braun’s Army rocket could have launched first, but was rejected for political reasons by Eisenhower. Instead the unreliable Navy rocket was used first as a “civilian design” even though it wasn’t ready.

    And who was it that landed on the Moon? And who will be back first?

    Not a tyrannical communist state, that’s for sure. Even an inefficient bureaucracy hobbled by Affirmative Action still wipes the floor with communism.

    And if RF had played nice we would have given them a ride.

    • Troll: Here Be Dragon
  107. sher singh says:
    @RadicalCenter

    You got the troll job over cheaper Indians or Israelis.

  108. @sudden death

    News out of Russia are mixed. The latest projections show only a -2% GDP decline. Perhaps that rosy assessment now needs to be revised.

    At any rate, Ukraine’s finances are truly catastrophic (7 billion dollars per month in financing needs and less than 50% of that covered internally). Moreover, the Russian attacks on critical power infrastructure will only compound the situation.

    Even in the most optimistic outcome, Ukraine’s rebuilding needs after the war will make it look like after the collapse of the USSR. Except back then it had a higher, younger population and still could exploit the Soviet industry which was in reasonably good shape. None of those factors exist now. Even Motor Sich has been bombed.

    People focus a lot on infantry movements, but the economic damage being done to Ukraine is of biblical proportions. I am not so certain that the West will so happily help rebuild after the war. Most of Ukraine’s economic “aid” from the West isn’t grants but loans. Those loans will have to be repaid. And that’s all assuming that Russia doesn’t win this war, which is still my base scenario.

    [MORE]

    The key constraint on Russia isn’t the budget balance but the current account. In that realm, they are still on track of posting huge gains in 2022 over 2021. As long as they have a surplus in their CA, the ability of the West to seriously threaten them financially is limited. The sanctions will bite, but that’s longer-term damage and we still don’t know how much China can help or how much it wants to help.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Dmitry
    , @LondonBob
    , @AP
    , @Pixo
  109. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    A couple of their presentations put the number one thing in their ideology: no slaves and don’t have any business with slavers. Their content is interesting but what I have seen to date is very very sparse.

    Sometimes, even things that might be hoaxes can have good ideas mixed within.

    This is ancient Frisia, currently in the boundary of the Netherlands.

    Funny you should mention Frisia.

    Lately, I’ve been watching a Frisian horse farm YT channel located (properly) in Frisia, Netherlands. They normally speak Frisian (with subtitles). At about 1:15 in the clip below they unusually speak Dutch, and then switch to Frisian. A little bit later they speak English.

  110. AP says:
    @A123

    GW Bush had a win in Iraq. Please, refresh my memory, “How did that go for W after declaring Mission Accomplished”?

    The difference is that Bush conquered Iraq while Ukraine took back its own territory. You think locals in northern Ukraine are going to resist their own army? If Ukraine had captured Crimea that might have been a different story.

    • Replies: @A123
  111. AP says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Even in the most optimistic outcome, Ukraine’s rebuilding needs after the war will make it look like after the collapse of the USSR. Except back then it had a higher, younger population and still could exploit the Soviet industry which was in reasonably good shape. None of those factors exist now. Even Motor Sich has been bombed.

    Unlike after the USSR collapse, Ukraine has better trade ties with the EU (association agreement) and EU will have greater willingness to provide aid (such as for infrastructure, I’ve been hearing from Poles that the bombed Soviet era powerplants will be replaced by better more modern ones), so this could mean more and quicker investment than had occurred in the 1990s. Ukraine’s pre-war booming IT sector (nonexistent in the 90s) doesn’t depend as much on physical buildings, it could go back online fairly quickly.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  112. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Ukraine’s economy wasn’t just economic crisis of the 1980s, acute crisis in the early 1990s, but subsequent 30 years of postsoviet corruption, deindustrialization, decay of infrastructure, decline of education.

    Before this terrible war, Ukraine’s GDP is between Ecuador/Kenya/Guatemala and Peru.

    They were a third world country in the common sense of this term, so smaller aid could have proportionally significant increase. An increase of \$10 billion would be 5% GDP growth for them.

    Maybe this is not sophisticated economic history, but perhaps the analogy of the drunk homeless person who is rolling on the sidewalk. They have less to lose from apocalypses and more to benefit from a 10 dollar bill.

    If they begin to join the EU, it would perhaps be impossible for such a country to not have a economic boost, even without the international aid for postwar recovery. They will be joining countries which are so much more wealthy and advanced than they are, even when you are talking about the poor Eastern European neighbors.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  113. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    Her children went on to be teachers, an accountant, manager of a jet aircraft

    There is a good example of upward mobility, which in the majority of societies and historical epochs is very unusual.

    . so I doubt she lacked natural intelligence.

    Literacy is correlate of life in an industrialized/post-industrialized country, not of natural intelligence, which was perhaps larger in the peasant grandmother than in her modernized children. You don’t need to explain historical peasants often have to be smarter to survive a winter than modern office workers who eat in the cafe. Alleged “IQ tests” and other academic indicators are measuring literacy or social conformity, which is why people trying to do cross-country comparison for these tests is a indication of low intelligence, unless they know they are just showing a correlate for exposure to modernization or industrialization of different populations.

  114. LondonBob says:
    @Thulean Friend

    It is all relative, the economic crisis in the West will be worse, as you say a lot will depend on China, which I am a lot more positive on than the consensus view, and I also think their support is understated currently and will be increased. The economic war isn’t going well which is why the inability of the Ukrainians, despite massive increases in NATO support, to retake any terroritory not being evacuated by the Allies already is significant.

    I note the Klain-Blinken administration has announced they will be filling the SPR if oil drops below \$80, even with a severe recession (depression), I don’t see oil prices dropping much at all, the SPR releases are staggering and unsustainable, OPEC plus is still functioning and appears well aware of the risk of a demand drop off.

  115. Seraphim says:
    @Mr. Hack

    More and more…. seven+1.
    There was a joke circulating in our sphere.
    A gang of hooligans invade Ytzik’s house. They drew a circle on the ground and put the poor guy in the middle, threatening to beat him to a pulp or worse if he steps out. Then went to gangrape Rachela. Every now and then Ytzik was bursting into laughter. After the gang finished their business with Rachela and left with whatever valuables, Rachela reproached angrily that he was laughing while she was abused and did nothing. At what the man answered: ‘Didn’t you noticed that when they were not looking, I was putting my foot out of the circle’?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  116. LondonBob says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Unfortunately there is a lot of CIA and exile oligarch money sloshing around London, and a political and media class all too willing to take it. Look at Boris Johnson and his unhealthy relationships with Alexander Temerko and the Reuben brothers. Interestingly Google restricts search terms and results on Temerko…

    https://thecritic.co.uk/sterlings-last-stand/

    Of course the genius plan of the Klain-Blinken administration and the Nuland State Department was not that Russia would have a mild recession but that the banking system and rouble would collapse. It is us who are well on the way to that.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  117. A123 says: • Website
    @AP

    GW Bush had a win in Iraq. Please, refresh my memory, “How did that go for W after declaring Mission Accomplished”?

    The difference is that Bush conquered Iraq while Ukraine took back its own territory. You think locals in northern Ukraine are going to resist their own army?

    Would Iraqis have resisted the return of “their own” Saddam’s army? Probably.

    Will the residents of Izyum resist the Kiev regime’s army? It largely depends on what they do. Can they keep electricity on, homes heated, and children fed?

    PEACE 😇

  118. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    What lies, you coward?

    Why do you duck your cowardly head and refuse to state, for the record, whether you agree with these voices of dissent or not?

    • Troll: Mikhail
  119. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    Stupid little girls for balding middle aged American men? Sound about right.

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  120. Mr. Hack says:
    @Seraphim

    Blah, blah, blah…how stupid!

  121. songbird says:

    Wonder if it wouldn’t be possible to breed some specialized urban goat that would take care of the overgrown grass in some of these ex-Soviet spaces, but be respectful of cars and need a minimum of tending, such that it would be more efficient (and cheaper) than groundskeepers.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Barbarossa
  122. songbird says:

    Do the Greens really have any thing to be proud of?

    I suggest that they be given some measure of pride by being pressganged into impromptu teams of suicidal miners, to dig lateral tunnels, just in front of the ever-expanding, Centralia, PA coal fire, in order to try to put it out.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  123. LondonBob says:
    @songbird

    If Habeck and Baerbock thought it would advance US geopolitical interest they would be there with shovels.

    The theory is the Titanic had an uncontrolled coal fire and that’s what sunk her.

    Combining the themes thankfully I have an open fire place and have stocked up on coal for this winter.

  124. Mr. Hack says:
    @216

    So, Putler’s war is really about liberating Ukraine from homosexuality?

    Ahhh….. Isn’t it great to be liberated? So liberated you need a special permission to leave your location…. Ahhh… Beautiful….

  125. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    Wonder if it wouldn’t be possible to breed some specialized urban goat that would take care of the overgrown grass in some of these ex-Soviet spaces, but be respectful of cars and need a minimum of tending, such that it would be more efficient (and cheaper) than groundskeepers

    Tricky.

    Anything docile enough to be car friendly is likely to attract predators. Also, goats will dig for roots, eat fairly high up leaves, etc. They can be quite destructive to anything smaller than a large tree.

     

     

    Perhaps they could be bred to be easier to manage. However, a goat herder would still be required to move them place to place, keep them away from cars, and discourage predators.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
  126. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    The internet is full of entries regarding the confiscation of Russian oligarchs’ personal property (yachts, homes, money), that should have been done earlier. The war in Ukraine only helped to speed up this process. So, you’re saying that the 300 billion does not include the private holdings of Russian oligarchs, but includes only Russian government funds? Any information corroborating your opinion would make for interesting reading?…

    • Replies: @AP
  127. @Dmitry

    One that is considering that Ukraine has a real chance to be accepted in the EU either does not know the EU or does not understand what Ukraine is.

    Ukraine is comparable to Poland. Both in size and population. But Ukraine had better resource base than Poland, and here is how it was managed.

    Corruption is natural for the Ukrainians. There are expressions as “Украина – от слова украсть” which translates as Ukraine is from the word to steal.

    The reason that even Bulgaria and Romania have been doing a lot better than Ukraine is not because of the EU. It is the people of Ukraine – foolish, insolent and dishonest.

    Україна – рідна мати, не вкрадеш не будеш мати.

    • Disagree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  128. @songbird

    Minimum of tending yes. Respectful of cars, no. The goats will be guaranteed to climb on top of your parked car and crap in your open window, or some such ungodly depredation.

    Goats are the meth head punks of the livestock world, in my opinion. They fear neither God nor man. Having known goats it’s not at all surprising that Baphomet has the head of one. Please, for the love of all that’s holy, loose not this plague upon the earth!

    • LOL: A123, Mikel, songbird
  129. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    They froze a huge chunk of Russia’s foreign reserves, which for a strange reason were kept in Western banks.

    The best option would be for Russia to be compelled to give that money up as reparations as part of a comprehensive peace deal. Then it’s legal. But Russia hasn’t lost the war nor does it mind the current state of affairs with the West so such a deal isn’t likely at the moment.

    I don’t know if international courts have the right to declare Russia culpable for reparations for an invasion it started; it obviously is morally so (as is the USA for its destruction in Iraq).

    But Russian dindus whining about “illegal theft” of Russian reserves to pay for damage caused by Russia’s criminal invasion of Ukraine, as if this happening makes Russia some sort of victim, is of course ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  130. Looks like RF daydreams about taking Northern KZ someday are being crushed in real time as it is getting more clear why Tokaev was so sure about quickly asking to leave RF military force at the start of the year and later felt relaxed enough to reject any ideas about recognizing LDNR sitting straight in front of Putin – the first personal visit of Xi since pandemic happens exactly in Kazakhstan.

    Xi here speaking about supporting the defense of KZ independence, sovereignity and territorial integrity, while telling about “raising the level of bilateral relations to eternal allsided strategic partnership, which has no analogues in Chinese diplomacy as we have achieved breaktrough development.”

    https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/15749097?

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @sudden death
    , @Mikhail
  131. @sudden death

    btw it’ll be interesting to watch whether Putin or Erdogan will be with masks too in Samarkand soon while meeting “zerocoviding” Xi:

  132. @Lurker

    Most of them [Ukrainian HIMARS] are probably gone anyway. Their importance has been vastly inflated.

    I trust the official Russian sources. They have reported that 4 of the 20 have been destroyed. Don’t underestimate – these are formidable weapons.

    High quality, precision rockets. Fully armored chassis.

    Notice how the magical TB-2 drone has largely dropped out of the narrative. I presume there are now very few left. Ditto for NLAW and Javelin missiles.

    Not likely, concerning the latter. They have supplied tens of thousands of those.

  133. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    And the Russians didn’t see this coming, and weren’t able to retrieve their funds before their reserves were frozen? Also, do you know whether the \$300 billion dollar figure commonly bandied around represents only the reserves, oligarch finances, or a combination of both?

    • Replies: @AP
  134. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    😁 But little ♥ Bappy ♥ is so cute…. You gotz to ♥ wuv ♥ him! Look at that smile! 😂

    PEACE 😺

    [MORE]

  135. Sean says:
    @Mikhail

    I think the assassination of Dugina was by the Ukrainian secret service, she had diabolically bad security for someone who was a ‘name’ in the justification of a war and obviously did not realise the danger she was in, which reflects a certain fatalistic insouciance of Russians, and the fact that she was a pretty young woman with more artistic than realist cast of mind. She needed a down to earth man in her life.

    One wonders if they are not game changers why do battlefield thermonuclear weapon exist and why do the Russians have ten times more than anyone else if they don’t think they have their uses, and how exactly can Ukraine can win fighting against nuclear weapons with a conventional army? I think that Putin would first threaten to use them, and assuming Gen (Ret) Hodges is in tune with the balance of opinion in US circles, they would be unwilling to believe Putin would do something so counter productive.

    At that point there would be an incalculable subjective factor entering into the calculus, because a frustrated angry man is much more likely to act against his own interests, which makes him a more unpredictably dangerous man. Why did Hitler declare war on the US five days after Pearl Harbor? Hitler’s deadliest weapons were a child’s toy compared to what Putin has, and he definitely has the power to step on the ladder of escalation (with a thermonuclear mine in the path of a Ukrainian advance, or a nuclear depth charge tsunamis strike on th coastal defences of Odessa for instance).

    The safest way to bring this war to an end is for Putin to gradually come to the realization that he cannot win, yet Russia can easily begin to redeem itself in the eyes of the West by reaching a settlement with Ukraine. Fast and furious Ukrainian advances being sustained will not give Putin time to alter his ‘Ukraine is an existential risk to Russia’ mindset and get a more realistic perspective . Do we want to him to overdramatize his difficulties and become desperate?

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  136. @LondonBob

    Klain-Blinken administration

    You monomaniacs are funny.

    genius plan

    There was no plan. No one but Russia wanted Russia to invade. The sanctions were ramped up when it was clear that Russia wouldn’t steamroll Ukraine. Had it gone as Putin wanted, and as Germany seemed to hope, we wouldn’t even be talking about it now. Meanwhile, Ukraine would be extinguished. Your dream.

    Are you proud of yourself that the war you have cheerled and which you know was optional has led to tens of thousands of deaths and endless misery?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  137. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    And the Russians didn’t see this coming, and weren’t able to retrieve their funds before their reserves were frozen?

    Really stupid, wasn’t it?

    I think Russia expected to win quickly and they expected that the swift victory would have meant that countries like Germany and France would have blocked harsh consequences for the sake of stability and peace and moving on. So it foolishly didn’t bother safeguarding those funds somehow.

    Also, do you know whether the \$300 billion dollar figure commonly bandied around represents only the reserves, oligarch finances

    My understanding is that it is the Russian state’s foreign reserves, not private oligarch money.

    Oligarch money is mostly money stolen from the Russian state and from other Russians. Most Russians wouldn’t mind at all if the West took their money. Who would?

    But since the Russian state is the entity that caused damage to Ukraine, it would not be unjust for the Russian state to be the one paying for the damage that it caused. Though any oligarchs involved in state decision-making would also be culpable.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  138. @AP

    Really stupid, wasn’t it?

    That’s because Putin’s generation still harbored some silly illusions about the West. Now they’ve learned the hard way something that leaders of younger generations know from the get-go: Western pretense that there is rule of law and property rights is pure lie, same as BS about democracy and human rights.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Gerard1234
  139. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Invading another country and then complaining about rule of law is rather obscene, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  140. @AP

    Invading another country and then complaining about rule of law is rather obscene, isn’t it?

    Do you mean Serbia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, or Somalia? Or maybe older exploits in Latin America? Just curious.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  141. AP says:
    @Thulean Friend

    People focus a lot on infantry movements, but the economic damage being done to Ukraine is of biblical proportions.

    Article just came out in the WSJ. The economic damage to Ukraine so far is not as terrible as it had appeared at first; there is partial recovery already, and an accelerated economic shift to the western parts of the country. IT service exports were actually up in the first half of 2022 compared to 2021.

    Not sure if there is a paywall, here are highlights:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-economy-stabilizes-military-gains-11663078436

    KYIV, Ukraine—At Nova Poshta, Ukraine’s equivalent of FedEx, deliveries are back to 90% of their prewar level of a million parcels a day.

    After Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February, Nova Poshta’s revenues fell to 2% of the prewar level. “I thought our company could disappear,” said co-owner Vyacheslav Klimov. But as spring progressed, e-commerce and business activity resumed in areas away from the front lines, and many factories switched to supplying the military. “It means we’re profitable and even have some money for future investments,” he said.

    [MORE]

    Early this year, as Russian forces threatened the capital Kyiv, it looked like Ukraine’s economy might collapse, with gross domestic product for the year projected to fall by as much as half. It is still expected to be down about 30%, but summer saw a rebound from the depths of last spring.

    Ukraine’s central bank and Finance Ministry also took swift steps, using a playbook drawn from earlier crises, that economists say helped to prevent a bigger disaster.

    The National Bank of Ukraine imposed capital controls and pegged Ukraine’s currency, the hryvnia, to the dollar at a level that didn’t allow import costs and inflation to skyrocket. The bank had to devalue the hryvnia in July when it came under too much pressure, but the new rate has held so far.

    The central bank, despite misgivings, printed money to keep the government solvent at a time when international markets wouldn’t lend and tax revenues were evaporating. “At the beginning of the war we understood it is impossible to conduct our monetary policy as before,” said Sergiy Nikolaychuk, deputy governor of the National Bank of Ukraine.

    The government temporarily slashed business taxes and suspended sales taxes and import duties, providing a fiscal stimulus and easing imports of consumer goods during the darkest hour. Kyiv has gradually restored taxes as economic activity has stabilized.

    Russian efforts against vital systems such as banks and the internet have been largely ineffective, and they have continued to function.

    Russian bombs destroyed most of Igor Liski’s wood-processing factory west of Kyiv this spring. He decided to rebuild it to set an example of resistance. It will be operating at nearly full capacity by fall, he said.

    “I believe victory will depend on the economy,” said the 43-year-old entrepreneur. “Ukraine needs companies to give work, pay taxes, export products. All companies who can, should produce.”

    Ukraine’s Western allies, especially the European Union, are lagging in sending promised financing for the government’s huge budget deficit, leaving Kyiv dangerously reliant on money-printing by the central bank. That has contributed to inflation of over 20%.

    “It’s crucial for the resilience of Ukraine that we get the funding that was committed from our international partners,” said Yuriy Vitrenko, chief executive of the national oil-and-gas company Naftogaz.

    But determination not to go under is evident across the country, and many Ukrainian businesses are finding workarounds for missile threats, blocked logistics, shortages and scattered workforces. “Motivation and truth are on our side,” said Mr. Liski. “If we survive also on the economic side, definitely we will win the war.”

    Mr. Liski built his first businesses in Luhansk in eastern Ukraine. He lost them all in Russia’s covert invasion of the region in 2014. He moved to Kyiv and built up new ventures in industry and agriculture, ranging from wood-processing to honey-making. His company, a private-equity fund called Effective Investments Group, uses foreign capital raised from Europe and North America.

    Ukraine’s economy suffered a deep depression in the 1990s after the collapse of Communism. Later, a series of shocks set the country back, from the 2008 global financial crisis to Russia’s 2014 seizure of Crimea and part of Ukraine’s east. Ukrainians watched while neighbors such as Poland and Romania joined the EU and grew rapidly. Ukraine’s aspirations for deeper economic ties with the West, and Moscow’s resistance, were among the causes of the conflict.

    Ukraine’s economy was improving before Russia’s invasion this year. Many Ukrainians say the latest economic shock is still better than the one in the 1990s, when employers couldn’t pay wages and mass hardship swept the country. Many also say experience has engendered a mentality of inventive self-reliance.

    “We are well-trained in recovering from all types of crises,” said Mariya Masliy, a shoe designer from Kyiv. “Crisis management is the norm since we were born.”

    Ms. Masliy has switched from designing high heels to army boots with Kevlar protection. The factory she works with in Kharkiv was bombed; it has restarted production in safer western Ukraine. Currently a refugee in Amsterdam, she has carved out a new Dutch export market for her fashion brand, Marsala. “A Dutch friend told me, ‘You, Ukrainians, are all so active, you don’t sit around in depression,’” she said.

    Energy crisis

    The invasion threatened to cut off Ukraine’s access to gasoline, diesel and crude oil, which came overland from Russia and from Belarus, a Russian ally, or from the blockaded Black Sea. Russian missiles also destroyed Ukraine’s main oil refineries and major fuel depots.

    Executives from Ukraine’s gas-station operators, led by major networks OKKO and WOG, traveled frantically around the EU, buying up new supplies of gasoline and diesel. They had to pay cash up front, sometimes a month in advance, to European suppliers that didn’t like the risk of dealing with a country being invaded.

    Importing fuel by train was difficult, because Ukrainian railroads have a wider gauge than the EU’s. At the Polish-Ukrainian border, fuel had to be siphoned out of EU-standard trains and pumped into Ukrainian wagons. “It isn’t easy or quick,” said Vasyl Danylyak, CEO of OKKO.

    In April, Ukraine imported about 200,000 metric tons of fuel, compared with a million tons a month before the war. Mile-long lines of cars were a common sight at Ukrainian gas stations. The government relaxed fuel-price controls to help importers cover higher logistics costs. Gas-station networks bought fuel from all over the world, except Russia, bringing it in by road, rail and river. By July, imports were back up to 770,000 tons. It was enough to meet demand, and lines at gas stations disappeared.

    The fuel companies operate without large depots because of missile attacks. WOG keeps less than \$3 million of gasoline in any one place, to keep the target’s value below the cost of Russian missiles.

    A deal brokered by Turkey to reopen the Black Sea for limited grain exports is giving partial relief to Ukrainian agriculture and world food markets—although Russia has threatened to curtail the shipments. But heavy industry is still struggling without sea access.

    Ukraine’s biggest steel plant, the ArcelorMittal steel mill in Kryviy Rih, is producing at about 20% of its prewar volume. The mill has switched to sending steel westward to the EU via road and rail. But without ports, it can’t import enough coking coal to Kryviy Rih, limiting how much iron ore it can process.

    “You solve one bottleneck and you find another,” said Mauro Longobardo, an Italian who heads the Ukraine operations of the Luxembourg-based multinational. Low volume and expensive logistics mean the plant is losing money. It has cut wages and will need to cut jobs if the situation doesn’t improve. “If we reduce people, this city hurts like hell,” he said.

    The gritty steel town of Kryviy Rih, about 40 miles from the front-line fighting in south Ukraine, holds symbolic importance for both sides: It is the hometown of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The steel mill helped defend it early in the invasion when a Russian armored column came within less than 10 miles by giving the Ukrainian army several giant mining trucks to block the road into town. The Russian armored vehicles couldn’t use the soggy ground around the obstacle, came under fire and retreated, a strategic setback for Russia’s campaign in the south.

    Signs of recovery in Ukraine’s job market began soon after Russian forces retreated from Kyiv. Vacancies on Work.ua, Ukraine’s biggest employment website, reached more than 40,000 on a given day in August, compared with 6,000 in March. That compares with more than 100,000 vacancies in February, before the invasion.

    Vacancies show the geographical shift taking place in Ukraine’s economy, said Artur Mikhno, Work.ua’s CEO. Jobs are being created disproportionately in Lviv and other cities in Ukraine’s safer west, and he said far fewer employers are hiring in eastern cities such as Kharkiv, which Russia continues to target from afar.

    Work.ua is part of the burgeoning tech scene in Dnipro, an industrial city in central Ukraine. Other IT clusters have emerged in Kyiv and Lviv. Exports of IT services were up 23% in the first half of 2022 compared with a year earlier.

    “We’re at war with a country with nuclear weapons and companies are still able to grow their business,” said Alexander Kholodov, founder of Dnipro-based software company Yalantis.

    Many people are supporting the national defense and economy however they can.

    Before the war, Petro Hryhoriev’s main business was an 84-acre asparagus farm in the southern Kherson region. Russian troops now occupy it. Some of Mr. Hryhoriev’s workers are now refugees in Europe, and others are in Kherson but uncontactable. He is still wiring them their salaries, using the farm’s financial reserves and the profits from two cafes he opened this year in Dnipro. He has donated body armor, helmets, medicine and two cars to the army. He said he firmly believes Kherson will be liberated and he will see his farm again.

    On a summer evening in Dnipro, Mr. Hryhoriev’s cafes were lively, and young people drank and talked on the waterfront until the midnight wartime curfew. The city of over a million on the banks of the wide Dnipro River has suffered less bombing than cities nearer the front line and has become a haven for many displaced people.

    “We’re trying to live a full life,” Mr. Hryhoriev said. “Everyone wants their life back.”

    Among the Soviet-era high-rise blocks of eastern Kyiv, Maksym Pustakov is starting to rebuild the food-kiosk business he lost in Mariupol, the port city destroyed in one of the most brutal episodes of Russia’s invasion.

    After fleeing Mariupol with his wife and son and reaching Kyiv, Mr. Pustakov said he shut his eyes and tapped on his mobile phone’s banking app. Opening his eyes, he was relieved to see his bank was still working and his money was all there. He decided to open up a new shawarma kiosk in Troieshchyna, a tough working-class suburb of the capital. All their employees are fellow refugees from Mariupol.

    “We didn’t want to wait for something to happen. We are not that sort of people. We decided to act,” he said. The outlet took off, and Mr. Pustakov is already expanding it and planning a second. His ambition, he said, is to build a chain across Ukraine.

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
  142. @Mikhail

    What about now? 20 hours later is it still too early to say?

    Because people have been saying this for the last 6 months. When will it not be too early?

    Have you seen how the map has changed in the last week?

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @A123
  143. Mikhail says: • Website
    @sudden death

    Looks like RF daydreams about taking Northern KZ someday are being crushed in real time as it is getting more clear why Tokaev was so sure about quickly asking to leave RF military force at the start of the year and later felt relaxed enough to reject any ideas about recognizing LDNR sitting straight in front of Putin – the first personal visit of Xi since pandemic happens exactly in Kazakhstan.

    Xi here speaking about supporting the defense of KZ independence, sovereignity and territorial integrity, while telling about “raising the level of bilateral relations to eternal allsided strategic partnership, which has no analogues in Chinese diplomacy as we have achieved breaktrough development.”

    Russian and Kazakh governments made clear the Russian presence in Kaz would be temporary, which is what happened. That presence was quite limited as well.

    Post-Soviet Russia willing to recognize historically Russian land outside Russia (due to Commie diktat) as such, provided the other entity respects the rights of Russian speaking pro-Russian individuals.

  144. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Sean

    The safest way to bring this war to an end is for Putin to gradually come to the realization that he cannot win, yet Russia can easily begin to redeem itself in the eyes of the West by reaching a settlement with Ukraine. Fast and furious Ukrainian advances being sustained will not give Putin time to alter his ‘Ukraine is an existential risk to Russia’ mindset and get a more realistic perspective . Do we want to him to overdramatize his difficulties and become desperate?

    Russia tried such with the Kiev regime in March. The West, notably Johnson, egged the latter to fight on.

    For now, the Kiev regime gained some territory. Let’s see what happens to its forces. Keep in mind the regime got walloped at Kherson. It then took over lightly guarded territory.

    Russia can easily increase without a draft.

    • Replies: @Sean
  145. A123 says: • Website
    @Johnny Rico

    One does not need to win every Battle to eventually win the War

    Russia believes that Kherson is the important front. There has been little change on the Southern Front for quite some time (see below).

    The PR view on the Northern Front is quite bad. Losing Izyum cannot have been what the RF intended. However, giving up mostly empty land shortens Russian supply lines going into Winter. And, the Zelensky regime is now (or soon will be) responsible for Izyum’s civilian population.

    Various upcoming elections will not cut off the Kiev regime, however the incoming governments will be less forthcoming with funds. Also, once Winter starts, EU solidarity will fracture as energy reserves become short then critical.

    Time is on Putin’s side.

    PEACE 😇

     

  146. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    But Singapore is multiculturalism with a kind of “enlightened despotism”, with Soviet aspects. Some of the policies are similar to French writers like Saint-Simon.

    This is interesting, I’ve read a few times recently that successful government in a multi-ethnic state requires more authoritarianism, and for ethnogenesis to happen it’s a requirement. (Will the US prove this wrong?). It is probably connected with the divisions party democracy inherently tends to create.

    The symbol of the Singaporean PAP party is maybe interesting there.

    I’ve wondered if this will be the path Britain eventually goes down as the demographics change. Perhaps there are hints of it already with the way some aspects of freedom of expression are being curbed.

    I remember that Gentile wrote this:

    (The right to national independence arises…) from an active, self-conscious, political will expressing itself in action and ready to prove its rights. It arises, in short, from the existence, at least in fieri, of a state. Indeed, it is the state which, as the expression of a universal ethical will, creates the right to national independence.

    In one way and another Hegel is already important for the Woke, might he have a new lease of life this century?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  147. The right-wing populist Sweden Democrats (SD) will be kingmakers in our recently concluded elections. The four RW parties combined have a parliamentary majority on their own. It looks all but inevitable that we’ll get a conservative-populist government.

    It was only a few years ago that the leader of the mainstream right made a public promise to a Holocaust survivor that he would never, ever co-operate with them. It’s no secret that SD were formed as an explicitly neo-Nazi party, even if they’ve moved away from those roots just like Le Pen’s daughter has tried to move away from her father’s open Holocaust denial.

    There are still frequent scandals. On election night – during live TV – one of their supporters started to shout a slogan that was purposefully very similar to “Hell Seger” (Swedish version of Sieg Heil). She later blamed this on being drunk.

    Three major changes.

    1. Migration. While the previous left-wing government had already tightened rules, the crackdown will only intensify, particularly for refugee migration.

    2. Nuclear power. Not only indefinitely delay the closures of the remaining plants but massively invest in new ones. To be fair to the outgoing leftists, they have already commissioned tenders for new capacity, but the RW parties want to massively increase and build at very aggressive timelines.

    3. Harsher punishment for domestic criminals and rapid deportation of immigrants even when committing fairly minor crimes.

    The internal splits will be on economic issues. The RW populists draw a lot of support from the white working-class, the type of voters who used to support the left-wing Social Democrats.

    The Prime Minister will be elected from the mainstream right party, which is very pro-business. These mainstream conservatives want to cut down on welfare whereas the populists want to keep it as it is. It’s an internal class-conflict, since rich people and the Swedish upper-middle class supports these center-right parties. The white proles support the populists.

    For Americans, it’s probably reminiscent of the old GOP elites vs Trump’s refusal to cut social security and other “entitlements”. Similar dynamic.

    The headline results are often less interesting than the demographic data. Here’s a few key charts from the biggest “gold-standard” exit poll.

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    If only women would vote: the center-left parties would get a comfortable majority. The four parties on the bottom left are, logically, those to the left.

    —-

    This one surprised me. The young are much more right-wing than the general population at large.

    The conclusion is that the left is relying on a lot of boomers who vote for them out of habit.

    Finally, the non-European population would give the left-wing parties a total landslide.

    If you combine the data from the youth + the non-European data + the gender breakdown then it would appear that young, ethnic Swedish males probably vote for the right-wing parties at absurd rates. Unfortunately, cross-tabulation demographic data like that isn’t available publicly so we can only make inferences.

    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Coconuts
    , @A123
    , @LondonBob
  148. @Barbarossa

    And you are into swine. Have you noticed there is not a pig in the zodiac and the noble goat is up there TWO TIMES?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  149. AP says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I’ve heard that the Swedish right wing is more pro-Ukrainian/anti-Russian than the German right wing (making Sweden more like Finland). Is that accurate?

  150. Coconuts says:
    @S

    Though I see where you are coming from in regards to certain potentially misguided and pernicious ideas of the Enlightenment, I believe the slavery aspect of things I’ve described here has had the greater negative impact.

    I thought about it, and I see what you mean as well. The significance of the Enlightenment stage seems to lie in the transition from slavery to wage earning. You can see various Mediterranean and Atlantic empires which practiced a lot of slavery (the Arab empires, Spanish and Portuguese imperios), destroyed many prior cultures but reached a certain size and didn’t move beyond it.

    Some of the Enlightenment ideas may have helped modify things to make the application much broader and more successful. Sternhell points out how much the French Enlightenment movement and the Revolution was influenced by the earlier British and Dutch movements, but also turned into something more radical. This may be why the British and French ended up implementing similar policies in relation to their empires and post imperial migration, with the French actually being more strongly assimilationist and starting immigration into France several decades sooner.

    [MORE]

    You could take things back further and speculate that both countries were originally influenced by the same kinds of feudalism and political ideas (brought into England by the Normans).

    In Europe as least there may be a limit to how far this can go. Sternhell also talks about the ambiguity among Enlightenment era authors around how far the ideas could be spread outside Christendom and Europe. What you see lately via multi-culturalism and post-colonialism looks like an attempt to incorporate Islamic, Indian and African traditional culture and thought into some sort of mixture with European, but imo they probably won’t cohere very well and remain functional.

    That idea about teachers and the exams is not an implausible one, I hadn’t thought of the possibility.

    • Replies: @S
  151. Coconuts says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I heard something similar about the pattern of support for the Marine Le Penn and Zemmour in the French presidential election; they had a lot of youth support.

    Then, there was that poll I posted about from the UK, where a surprising proportion of 18-30 year olds thought military rule wasn’t a bad idea. (Apparently mainly from the non-university educated part of this demographic).

  152. Just as Xi visits Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan announces that it is suspending its membership of the Russian security grouping. China is already nibbling around the edges. Some friend! This is why Biden laughed at the Russians in the 90s when they said they would end up relying on the Chinese. The CCP is not a reliable partner, though may one day grow into it by becoming something else.

    Finland and Sweden have joined NATO.

    Russia fails to do anything for Armenia and Armenia has to make its own peace by giving up Karabakh.

    Meanwhile, Russia has been unable to respond to Ukrainian offenses. Instead, just pretending that it is inflicting a gorillion Ukrainian casualties, as it has done all war, despite obviously losing.

    It seems like Russia is going to have begging peace. Otherwise, what will it lose next? Clearly Chechyna, Belarus, the remaining CSTO states and Transniestria are vulnerable. Armenia will be formally out regardless.

    Perhaps it is better for Russia that Russia stays in the war to keep on losing? It will enforce the reality that Russia must be a normal country that much harder.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  153. A123 says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend

    One of the 4 parties needed for the coalition is making unhelpful comments: (1)

    As prime minister-in-waiting, Kristersson now faces a fresh challenge to stitch together a functioning government from the disparate group of allies that back him to lead Sweden.

    On one side, he has the far-right Sweden Democrats (SD), seen by many as the election’s big winners after a surge to 21 percent voter support, and who are demanding tougher immigration laws and law enforcement policy. SD outperformed the Moderates, who secured 19 percent of the vote.

    SD, long ostracized by Sweden’s mainstream parties because of its neo-Nazi roots, is under pressure from its voters to turn a new alliance with the Moderates into real political influence for the first time.

    “Our success in the election implies a heavy responsibility to voters, which we will manage as well as we can and with respect,” SD leader Jimmie Åkesson said Wednesday.

    Kristersson must now judge how far he can bow to SD’s demands without alienating more moderate elements within his own party and potential coalition partners the Christian Democrats.

    The Liberal Party, whose support Kristersson will also need to form a government, has been particularly wary about a tie-up with SD. Liberal lawmaker Romina Pourmokhtari, a former head of the party’s youth wing, said Wednesday she would vote down any government that included SD.

    While the swing looks promising, bold action may not be forthcoming until SD becomes stronger.
    ___

    The upcoming Italian elections could be a game changer for Christian Populism.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/swedish-center-right-leader-ulf-kristersson-claims-election-win-faces-tough-coalition-talks/

  154. Mikel says:
    @Barbarossa

    How about dwarf goats?

    A neighbor of mine has some roaming around a fenced pasture that they share with poultry and they look very docile. They don’t seem to have the size to do much damage, even if they’re so inclined. I also read that they can provide a decent amount of milk and the kids are a good source of lean red meat.

  155. @Barbarossa

    I do like guns, having a particular weakness for old wood stocked military guns like the Mauser, M1, Enfield, etc. I’m not really a gun nut though, so I suspect I wouldn’t be able to keep up for long in any in depth discussion with you!

    I like that kind of rifles!

    The ones that have a soul. And you can see and feel how things used to be made. A different world.

    But where I am from and where I have lived I had no chance to see one of those in person except for in a museum. All that I know about them I learned from the Americans.

    I used to hang out on the Firearm Blog, before it was sold and turned into what it is now. There were some retired officers and special forces operators, and even a champion of Europe in practical shooting. We had good conversations, I learned a lot from them.

    But the practical experience I have is modest. I learned to shoot with a bolt action in .22 in a sporting club back in the USSR, and then later I had two pistols. That is it.

    For an American I am a noob.

    I was looking at a Czech M98 Mauser locally. Do you prefer the M48 and if so, why? I was somewhat under the impression that the fit and machining was not quite up to par with the pre-war M98 or M96, though I’m no expert.

    Neither am I.

    But both of these are based on the German Karabiner 98k. You must be confusing the Czech version – the Vz. 98/22, with the Swedish model m/96. The problem is that it will be worn out, or will sell for a collector’s price.

    And the Yugoslavian Zastava M48 can be found brand new. Unused, without a scratch. Mint condition. And for a fraction of the price of a beaten pre-war m/96. I know there are companies that import them into the US still in crates, oiled and wrapped.

    Here is a man that would have mentioned if there were such deficiencies as poor machining. He is a captious person.

    The Mosin Nagant seems like another very creditable cheap military gun, but they are a bit ugly. I like the lines of a Mauser much better and wouldn’t mind spending a bit more for one.

    The original long barrel model was a lot prettier with better wood and finish, and more accurate than what was produced later. It was needed to produce a large number of them to prepare for war and as a result those were made coarse and crude. Cheaper wood was used, tooling marks were left.

    But later in the mid-40s there appeared a shorter variant of higher grade. These are designated either M44 or M59. I have seen them in a museum next to the standard model and these looked a lot better. Higher grade wood and finish and according to the reviews a good barrel.

    There are a lot of positive reviews of it on YouTube.

    It is a different beast. And these are available Polish-made, Bulgarian-made, Romanian and Yugoslavian. Different wood on each variant.

    It’s probably 1890’s or so in the Continental pattern with double exterior hammers. I’ve always wanted a double barrel shotgun like that as they are another irrational weakness of mine.

    A double barrel shotgun is great – for trap shooting.

    For \$30 it would be worth picking up even if it was broken. To hang it on the wall. But I would take it to a range to ask more knowledgeable people if it is safe to shoot it.

    I don’t have much interest in more modern assault rifles or anything with a synthetic stock. That’s just my preference.

    Neither do I, but I would like to have one of those in case of a war. But I dislike these modern handguns with plastic frames. I had a Browning Hi-Power – that is a handgun! The vintage 1911 Colt is a beautiful handgun.

    Of rifles on the top of my wish list I think is the Enfield, because it is so exotic and original. The Karabiner 98 and M1903 Springfield are next, but these are expensive collector’s items.

    The Yugoslavian M48 and that Mosin M44 are the best of the affordable and usable pieces I think.

  156. @Triteleia Laxa

    Got done by fake news as regards Kazakhstan. Still, they’ve snubbed Russia throughout. Let’s see what happens.

  157. @Emil Nikola Richard

    I’m into eating swine, at any rate. I have two to be butchered in late November. Pigs are easy to keep in fences, provided they have a reasonable amount of space to roam around in.

    I actually do like eating goat quite a bit too, and I am exaggerating my dislike of the animals a bit. They do tend to be punks though.

    Have you noticed there is not a pig in the zodiac and the noble goat is up there TWO TIMES?

    Well, Aries is actually a sheep. I get along with my Icelandic sheep just fine, including the rams. The sheep are actually not as dumb as their reputation, but are not strung out and unpredictable like the goat.

    The Chinese zodiac does include a pig, make of it what you may!

    I wonder if for the Greeks, things like the goat, sheep, or fish were more foundational in their culture coming from a pastoral and fishing environment while the pig, while tasty came later or was not so formative.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @A123
  158. @Mikhail

    Lol. It was rhetorical. It is a flop. This is not to say anything about the long-term consequences of anything.

    But if Putin had had a crystal ball in January and could see September 2022 he would not have pulled the trigger. Just like Hitler would have done things different in the summer and fall of 1941 if he could see the snow in front of Moscow in December or Stalingrad a year further in the future.

    The psychological state of Putin is important. There are mild similarities to the situation with Hitler in September 1944 as he planned and executed Wacht am Rhein. The Battle of the Bulge may be the biggest American intelligence failure ever.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  159. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    Interesting how in the Odyssey, the swineherd and cowherd are loyal to Odysseus, but not the goatherd.

  160. @Johnny Rico

    But if Putin had had a crystal ball in January and could see September 2022 he would not have pulled the trigger.

    I would not be so sure about that. If anything, Ukrainian cancer proved even more malignant by September 2022 than it appeared in February. So, I’d guess that he would pull the trigger, but send much greater force to excise the tumor. However, “what ifs” are pointless: history, like life, is irreversible.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Johnny Rico
  161. @AP

    I once met our former host when I visited Moscow. Unlike you he is not a Sovok and he is intelligent and honest.

    But that does not make you neither intelligent nor honest – what is the point of bragging about that? He did not corroborate that you are a descendant of Rurik, nor did he confirm that you are a Polish landlord. Let alone that you are not an ape in a suit.

    However the other person in that thread did confirm what I have been telling you for quite some time: AP is a small man who thinks he is smarter than he is. I corroborate that. You are a man with a small man syndrome, who is a lot dumber than he thinks he is.

    You are descended from someone who was arresting people at the end of the Red Terror.

    You are making that statement so often that it would not hurt to bring up a quotation of mine in order to back it up. You have not done that however because there is none. You are a pathological liar.

    When confronted with reality all you can do is sputter “paranoid schizophrenia”. You are the one with such problems. Remember your paranoid treatise about Freemasons and Jews and Babylon?

    Lost or deteriorated comprehension of humor is one of the most characteristic features of a serious mental illness – in particular, schizophrenia.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010440X19300720
    Humor perception in schizophrenia

    “Perception of humor is a complex cognitive-emotional phenomenon which has been found to be disturbed in people with schizophrenia.”

    Trust me I am not calling a man a cuckoo to offend him. I am not that merciless. But I am calling a man a cuckoo, because he sounds like one.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AP
  162. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    I’m into eating swine, at any rate. I have two to be butchered in late November

    Bacon is essential. Though I obtain it cooked at a local breakfast outlet. Bacon, and buttery biscuits, with white gravy made from (mostly) bacon drippings.

    Interestingly “lamb bacon” is real (1). That implies “goat bacon” is technically possible. I have not tried either and suspect it could be a pricey and unreliable product.

    Pigs are easy to keep in fences, provided they have a reasonable amount of space to roam around in.

    Pigs have tusks and can enthusiastically excavate. I suppose if they are well fed they simply do not want to leave.

    Is the fence more a suggestion than a true barrier?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.foodrepublic.com/2015/07/13/heres-why-you-should-be-eating-lamb-bacon/

     

    • Replies: @Mikel
  163. Sean says:
    @Mikhail

    Ukraine will be given the Army Tactical Missile System ECT if that is necessary to keep them in the war, which hardly seems necessary at present.

    It is very difficult to see how this ends quickly, or at all. Personally, I think Putin will end up threatening to use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine, or actually using one because the US will be reluctant to let Russia off the hook, thinks Germany is getting whatit deserves for messsing with Russia for cheap energy, will not believe Putin would actually do it, and thinks the US is not in danger in any case. Most important the US is overestimating Russia and underestimating how quickly much more of this is going to make Putin desperate.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  164. songbird says:
    @A123

    There is something inherently seductive about a biological solution to cutting grass.

    Perhaps, it is an idea that works more in theory than in practice. (Here, I wonder what the local urban Soviet equivalent might be to coyotes – feral dogs perhaps?). But certainly poultry (which do graze to a small extent) make a disgusting mess of things.

    I regret to say I have only a passing acquaintance with goats. They seem remarkable for their fish-eyedness. I have several times marvelled at all the farmgirls who may pose with a kid, but think nothing of slaughtering the animals – as they find them so beady-eyed and alien.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Barbarossa
  165. Mikel says:
    @A123

    That implies “goat bacon” is technically possible.

    Apparently, it would be quite difficult. Goat meat has only 3% fat on average versus 21% lamb: https://theonlinegrill.com/goat-vs-lamb/

    Though every time I’ve tried baby goat roast it looked and tasted similar to lamb. What you can do is duck cured ham. The slices are small but it is very good. I also tried goat chorizo sausage once, made by an Austrian living in the mountains of Utah, but it was too strong and gamey, even though it was made with 50% pork. He should have maybe used a younger animal.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @songbird
  166. songbird says:
    @S

    Some months ago, I attempted to watch the film “Er Ist Wieder Da”, with the silly hope that it might be a bit satirical about the ideology of German self-abnegation. Couldn’t sit through very much of it, but it turned out to be a fairly boilerplate anti-German film.

    • Replies: @S
  167. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    However the other person in that thread

    He is a Sovok like you, what else would be expected?

    “You are descended from someone who was arresting people at the end of the Red Terror.”

    You are making that statement so often that it would not hurt to bring up a quotation of mine in order to back it up.

    No problem, since you insist.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5418888

    “my great grandmother… married the man, who was, as an officer, sent to arrest her father on suspicion of him hiding a part of his profit, in order to avoid taxation. That was during the NEP.”

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5421080

    “Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.”

    That was later. We are talking about 1922 here.”

    ::::::::::

    So he was a police officer of the Soviet State arresting farmers in 1922. Moreover he was arresting these farmers for “tax evasion.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

    The Red Terror (Russian: Красный террор, romanized: krasnyj terror) in Soviet Russia was a campaign of political repression and executions carried out by the Bolsheviks, chiefly through the Cheka, the Bolshevik secret police. It started in late August 1918 after the beginning of the Russian Civil War[2][3][4][page needed] and lasted until 1922.[5][6]

    Red Terror ended in 1922. Was he just hired when he came to arrest your great-grandmother’s dad in 1922? For how many months or years was he arresting people during the time of the Red Terror?

    How many farmers whom he arrested, were executed by the Bolshevik government he served?

    As I said, you are descended from a police officer serving the Soviet State who was arresting people in 1922 (the last year of the Red Terror). Your own words. What I wrote was true. You imagine others lie like the Soviets you grew up with do.

    As for NEP:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%8D%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0#%D0%9D%D0%AD%D0%9F_%D0%B2_%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B7%D1%8F%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5

    Looks like it was proclaimed in 1921 but wasn’t implemented on agricultural lands until December 1922.

    And it looked like private ownership was cancelled but instead the farmers were leasing the land they worked and were allowed to keep some of the proceeds, a simulation of private ownership. So it was still coercive state towards farmers and you are descended from its enforcer.

    You are a pathological liar.

    Another one of your lies. I know, as a Sovok you can’t help yourself.

    Lost or deteriorated comprehension of humor

    You weren’t funny though.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  168. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    So, I’d guess that he would pull the trigger, but send much greater force to excise the tumor

    He sent something like 80% of his usable forces.

    Arguably if he could see into the future he would have invaded in 2014 in order to keep Yanukovich in power, or to take half the country.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  169. Wokechoke says:

    British planning for the end of Russia.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/13/prepare-collapse-russian-empire/

    From the Torygraph.

    • LOL: Mikhail, AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @AP
    , @S
  170. AP says:
    @Wokechoke

    Russia ending seems to be quite absurd. There is no divide between ethnic Russians, and other than in Chechnya each of the “ethnic” Republics has a Russian majority or plurality. There may be a putsch of some sort but basically zero chance of a civil war or major separatism.

  171. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    There is something inherently seductive about a biological solution to cutting grass.

    Perhaps some sort of CRISPR mini cowlet?

    Efficient ruminants would prefer the grass and generic weeds that need to be eaten. Also, they clip the grass much higher up so there is still enough chlorophyll to grow back.

    I have several times marvelled at all the farmgirls who may pose with a kid, but think nothing of slaughtering the animals – as they find them so beady-eyed and alien.

    The #1 trick is *not* naming them.

    Meat chickens are taken at 8-12 weeks, possibly less. Start children with this rapid cycle and undesirable emotional entanglements can be headed off. The only named livestock near me (that I am aware of) are a few cows, and they have pet like duration ~10 years.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
  172. @AP

    Ukraine was claiming more than 8,000 in the recent offensive.

    Ukraine is claiming? Then it must be true!

    Ukraine is claiming as well that Ukrainian is the mother tongue of most Ukrainians. But for some reason most Ukrainians do not speak it good enough and prefer to answer questions for an interview in Russian.

    3,000 was from Sunday.

    And when did I comment on it?

    Moron.

    Does this (the blue part) look like 1.8% of the light red territory to you? No, it looks like around 10%.

    But I was looking at the map of September 10.

    Dumbass.

    Movement of metro lines is restored.

    But it does not matter. The Russians did not bomb the power plant so that people could not use the underground. It was done to stop cargo trains bringing ammunition and other supplies to the troops.

    And I guess it was accomplished because if it was not there is nothing that can stop the Russians from hitting more substations through which the power has been re-routed to that region.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mr. Hack
  173. S says:
    @Coconuts

    I thought about it, and I see what you mean as well. The significance of the Enlightenment stage seems to lie in the transition from slavery to wage earning.

    There was a book published in 1908 in the United States (excerpted and linked below) that delves into just this very idea you’ve described, written by Eliza Andrews.

    [She believed, however, that wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) would be a temporary ‘transition’ (ie stepping stone) to regular wage labor. Myself, I see this as being a cynical rationalization for the continuation of slavery, something which should of truly been abolished in 1865, but wasn’t. We still have this incredibly destructive and genocidal wage slavery (‘cheap labor’) system 150 years after the war, and I’m not particularly convinced it will simply ‘evolve’ away.

    Indeed, I think this catastrophic failure to have dealt truthfully with slavery then, may have the ultimate effect that in time most people will be reduced to being wage slaves, ie paid ten cents on the dollar what the actual value of their labor is actually worth, what the UN refers to as ‘migrant stock’, see link below. ‘You will have nothing, and you will be happy.’]

    Andrew’s father was one of the self described ‘privileged 4000’, the elite of the elite, who ruled over the US South at the time of the Civil War (1861-65), these being 3000 slave holders with more than a hundred slaves each, and 1000 ‘allied’ commercial business owners. George Washington as a large Virginia slave holder would have been amongst these ‘4000’.

    She (Andrews) was an adult in Georgia living within her father’s slave holding household during the time of the war. The intro of the book delves deeply into the economics and the psychology of both ‘sides’. Her father was a Union man by the way.

    She confirms what I’d concluded before having read her book, that the US Civil War was primarily about slavery (the financial essence of which is the systematic theft of significant value of an individual’s labor) on both sides.

    According to her, the North with it’s monetization* of chattel slavery, wage slavery, ie specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, had the superior slave product, as it was more productive in comparison to the South’s chattel slavery.

    In my post archives you can find the 1863 economic calculations made by the wartime financial representative of the Lincoln administration in London, Robert J Walker.

    Taking numerous variables into account, Walker had compared the productivity of the center of chattel slavery in the South, South Carolina, with the center of wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) in the North, Massachusetts. The Mass wage slave had four times the productivity of the SC chattel slave according to Walker. These London economic calculations were republished in the US North in 1864 as part of a series of ‘why we fight’ articles.

    As slavery product goes, it was the South’s old and slow beaten up 57 Chevy Bel-air coupe compared to the North’s modern souped up 2022 Chevy Camaro convertible.

    The North wished to force upon a recalcitrant South it’s much more profitable and productive wage slavery system. Chattel slavery, however, had become entrenched in the South, and hence the war.

    The elites and hangers on both sides, North and South, were driven first and foremost by the profoundly ‘moral’ desire to do anything (but anything, God forbid!) than pay their own people the prevailing real time local rates for labor, and employ alien chattel or wage slave labor to accomplish this. Seven hundred thousand would die in a war which was decidedly not in the vast majority’s interest, most of those persons killed neither being chattel slave owners or wage slave exploiters, indeed, they had had to suffer grievously with these slavery systems which had been put in place by diktat.

    The guns were turned on the wrong people in that damnable war. They should have been turned upon the slavery corrupted elites and their hangers on, North and South, instead. A true abolition of slavery could have been enacted, and slavery free now, self determination could have been allowed for the peoples in the United States.

    * Monetization – Distilling an economic activity down to it’s financial essence whilst maximizing profits.

    pg 14

    ‘The truth of the matter is that the transition from chattel to wage slavery was the next step forward in the evolution of the race, just as the transition from wage slavery to free and independent labor will be the next.’

    pg 17, 18

    ‘And now that we have learned wisdom through suffering; now that we have seen how much more can be accomplished by peaceful cooperation under the safe guidance of natural laws, than by wasteful violence, we are prepared to take our part intelligently in the next great forward movement of the race — a movement having for its object not merely a closer union of kindred states, but that grander union dreamed of by the poet, which is to find its consummation in “The parliament of man, the federation of the world.”‘ The War-time Journal of a Georgia Girl (1908) – Eliza Frances Andrews

    https://archive.org/details/wartimejournalof5454andr/page/14/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/wartimejournalof5454andr/page/16/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/wartimejournalof5454andr/page/18/mode/2up

    https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/content/international-migrant-stock-2020-documentation

    http://slavenorth.com

    • Replies: @Beckow
  174. S says:
    @songbird

    The Germans need to forgive themselves, even if others won’t.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @A123
  175. @AnonfromTN

    Six months show he doesn’t have a greater force. So there’s that.

    And attempting to assemble a greater force would delay pulling the trigger. My contention stands.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  176. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Ukraine was claiming more than 8,000 in the recent offensive.

    Ukraine is claiming? Then it must be true!

    Your words:

    “Even according to what Ukraine itself is claiming it has returned 3,000 square km of the lost territories.”

    So you lied about Ukraine’s claim.

    3,000 was from Sunday.

    And when did I comment on it?

    The post you wrote that I responded to was written on Tuesday. You wrote on Tuesday that Ukraine is claiming 3,000. It was not, at that time.

    Ukraine is claiming as well that Ukrainian is the mother tongue of most Ukrainians. But for some reason most Ukrainians do not speak it good enough and prefer to answer questions for an interview in Russian.

    You posted from a Gallup poll from 15 years ago that only involved respondents in oblast centers and that included Crimea and Donbas. This sample showed 17% of people favoring to take the survey in Ukrainian, 83% in Russian.

    You didn’t know that Kiev, for example, is a Russian-speaking city?

    But many people who prefer to speak Russian consider their mother tongue to be Ukrainian.

    But a more comprehensive study using the same methodology, which also involves a much larger and comprehensive sample, shows different results than the small and limited Gallup sample:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/materials/articles_HVE/16_linguaethnical.pdf

    It was about equal.

    Movement of metro lines is restored.

    But it does not matter

    Of course you think it doesn’t matter when you lie, as Sovoks do.

  177. S says:
    @Wokechoke

    There’s a whole series of articles like that appearing lately. They’re wanting to psy-op the Russians into feeling cornered, so that they will lash out in some way. The US/UK can then use this as a reason to escalate things further.

  178. @AnonfromTN

    That’s because Putin’s generation still harbored some silly illusions about the West. Now they’ve learned the hard way something that leaders of younger generations know from the get-go: Western pretense that there is rule of law and property rights is pure lie, same as BS about democracy and human rights.

    No need to be negative about the 300 billion frozen. The operation is going fine.Also high prices are to last for a very long time, and our export market for hydrocarbons is going to be much easier and quicker to reorientate to other countries, than Gayropa’s import market for hydrocarbons will be ( if at all, without strong energy partnership with Russia)

    I count it at 240 billion USD being spent by France, Italy, Germany and the UK governments in energy policies to stop household energy payments being too big. Some of them are for 1 year, some for 2. Most of that expenditure is for houses, and not businesses either so the total energy pricing rescue package for European governments will be several more hundred billion.

    So thats \$240 billion from just 4 countries, effectively wasted money.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  179. A123 says: • Website

    Is anyone surprised? RINO Mitch McConnell Bails Out DNC: (1 – edited for clarity)

    Bernie Sanders to Block [UNIPARTY] Rail Proposal

    Instead — [THE UNIPARTY] — rides to the rescue.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) blocked a Uniparty GOP(e) effort to require railroad employees and companies to accept recommendations of a nonpartisan panel in order to avoid a strike which, if it goes through, will impact millions of Americans.

    The smart MAGA move was letting the DNC 100% own this.

    Why would GOP(e) blood traitor McConnell do this? Why???

    Hmmm…..

    Self answering question… But someone else please feel free to swing at the T-Ball.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rail-shutdown-looms-large-even-congress-steps

  180. A123 says: • Website
    @S

    The Germans need to forgive themselves, even if others won’t.

    Germans need ABSOLUTION not forgiveness.

    Absolution requires contrition.

    Germany inflicted Open [Muslim] Borders and “Welcome Rape-ugees” policies on European Christians. Where is the remorse?

    Germany is Weaponizing the EU against Christian Hungary and Christian Poland. (1)

    The European Commission could reduce Hungary’s entitlement to EU funding by as much as 70% if it does not approve the country’s latest submitted plans to tackle EU concerns

    Despite EU concerns over the country’s governance, Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has vowed to continue its crackdown on the issue of migration; he also accused the European Union of not acknowledging or appreciating the fact that Hungary is manning the bloc’s external border, including its previously porous southern border with Serbia.

    Where is the change in behaviour?

    If Germany wants to reenter civilized Christian European society it has much to do. The people of Germany must seek absolution for Merkel’s brutal crimes against the Children of Jesus and God.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/article/brussels-wants-to-cut-70-of-hungarys-eu-funding/

    • Replies: @S
  181. @AP

    He is a Sovok like you, what else would be expected?

    So, when you make the same impression on two different people it does not mean anything to you, because both of them are “sovok” – and yet both of them noticed that you are arrogant and full of ungrounded self-importance.

    This is a normal reaction of a paranoid schizophrenic to criticism.

    He was a police officer of the Soviet State arresting farmers in 1922. Moreover he was arresting these farmers for “tax evasion.” Red Terror ended in 1922.

    For a person so much fond of the Soviet history you are incredibly ignorant. Have you ever tried to read any serious literature on the topic? Or is it not entertaining your sick imagination enough, and for that reason you even fail to notice that your own references refute your idiotic fantasies?

    You are citing the article in which it is stated that it was “carried out through the Cheka” – haven’t you noted that?

    At least read the Russian version of the same article. It is a lot more detailed and contains factual information with speeches and decrees, and more actual statistics. It contains among other things a statement such as “Формально красный террор был прекращён 6 ноября 1918 г.”

    The Red Terror ended in 1918. It was a part of the war. The counterpart of the White Terror. And it was intended against people of high social standing and not peasants.

    The New Economic Policy (NEP) began in 1921. How could it co-exist with the Red Terror, moron?

    Was he just hired when he came to arrest your great-grandmother’s dad in 1922? For how many months or years was he arresting people during the time of the Red Terror?

    He was 20 back then and my great-grandmother was 18.

    Get a clue for God’s sake and stop embarrassing yourself. The Red Terror was perpetrated by VChK – the Extraordinary Commission, that was dissolved in 1922 and succeeded by the State Political Directorate, or GPU.

    NKVD was a Soviet analog of the American Department of Justice or interior ministries of other countries. It was managing the police and not the VChK. That was in the mid-30s when it was reformed and the functions of the GPU were transferred to the NKVD. Before that it had been a regular police force.

    As for NEP. Looks like it was proclaimed in 1921 but wasn’t implemented on agricultural lands until December 1922.

    Земельный кодекс РСФСР is the Land Code of the RSFSR, dumbass, it is not the NEP. The NEP abolished forced grain-requisition and introduced a tax on farmers in the form of agricultural product. These policies came into force in March 1921.

    You weren’t funny though.

    Humorous does not have to be laughable, and ironic does not have to be humorous.

    You wouldn’t have comprehended it no matter the case though.

    • Replies: @AP
  182. @AP

    But many people who prefer to speak Russian consider their mother tongue to be Ukrainian.

    So People who first learnt to speak from their mother in Russian, use Russian to speak to their father, grandparents, friends, search on the internet, favourite films and songs in Russian……….consider “Ukrainian” as their mother tongue? Glad that’s all cleared up now and full common sense shown by the fantasist fuckhead AP there!

    You posted from a Gallup poll from 15 years ago

    To be “refuted” by a bizarre, predetermined Ukronazi fake poll from…….20 years ago! Brilliant

    But a more comprehensive study using the same methodology,

    Utter lies , again. of a sociopathic freakshow about “same methodology”, comprehensive in terms of numbers (allegedly) interviewed but not in polling techniques.

    It was about equal.

    As you equally speak neither Russian or “Ukrainian”, that BS conclusion is ironic ( seriously people, think what it signifies that this cursed in hell pig creates all these fake anecdotes and fantasist scenes involving speaking to some fake person in mova/Russian, when in fact he does not speak a word of either language).

    Apart from faking results, the polling basically involves the issue of language done in circumstances where it is political you retard. The Gallup poll does not – which makes the answer more valid as their is no politically debilitating factor to it. Plus its not the poll, but what language they answered the poll in.
    It’s hilarious that in the age of internet, where supposedly more younger people are able to speak the “national” language now that USSR is gone….not one of the ukronazi freaks in the imaginary tech industry over there isn’t scared to put out some stats regarding which language used, LOL.

  183. @Johnny Rico

    Six months show he doesn’t have a greater force. So there’s that.

    What do you base this idiotic conclusion on? Brainwashed idiot. Name ONE metric you are basing this on dummy?

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  184. @AP

    You wrote on Tuesday that Ukraine is claiming 3,000. It was not, at that time.

    What an unbelievable idiot.

    I was referring to the previous post of mine written on Sunday, featuring a map posted on Saturday – is it so difficult to understand?

    Many people who prefer to speak Russian consider their mother tongue to be Ukrainian.

    No doubt. I am not surprised.

    Many people who consider their mother tongue to be Ukrainian at the same time believe that their ancestors came from Atlantis.

    Of course you think it doesn’t matter when you lie, as Sovoks do.

    Did I not explain in that initial post that it was done to prevent the supplies from coming to the front line?

    That what matters and of course I did.

    You think that I care about the Ukrainians, who were or were not left with or without electricity? I care not.

    I don’t care if there is water in Ukraine. Or food. Or medications. Or heat.

    [MORE]

    Газа нет, тепла нет.
    Всюду иней.
    Только скачет хохол,
    синий-синий.

    • Replies: @AP
  185. @AP

    He sent something like 80% of his usable forces.

    That’s Ukrainian math, where 2×2=25.5? In reality, he sent less then half of contract servicemen and not a single conscript. Some lower commanders who included conscripts in their detachments were severely punished in March. Russia can increase its forces 2-2.5-fold w/o seriously reducing its strength in the other areas (in contrast to deeply parochial Ukraine, RF president has to think globally).

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mikel
  186. Dmitry says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Who doesn’t know about Ukrainian corruption? For your next lecture, you can teach us that the sky is blue.

    The reality is, now Ukraine has EU candidate status with Moldova since July. This is an official status for EU membership negotiations. This is a similar status to countries like Albania, North Macedonia and Serbia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Albania_to_the_European_Union

    As for the discussion about Ukraine’s economic future. Before this terrible and idiotic war, their GDP was between Peru and Ecuador/Kenya/Guatemala.

    Their GDP is small enough that it is easy for foreign partners to boost it.

    The reason that even Bulgaria and Romania have been doing a lot better than Ukraine is not because of the EU. It is the people of Ukraine – foolish, insolent and dishonest.

    Poland is not comparable to Ukraine. It’s a lot more normal and less corrupt than Ukraine. But 21st century Poland is still a corrupt and undeveloped country by European standards. Of course, Romania and Bulgaria are also more developed than Ukraine, despite having many problems.

    The EU has donated hundreds of billions of dollars to Poland. In such a situation, where hundreds of billions of dollars of European money is given as aid to Poland, it is impossible for Poland not to grow economically, while also being integrated to a successful economy like Germany and entering trade partnership with the world’s second largest economy.* This is despite the many problems of the Polish society, including the low quality of education and weak political system.

    Poor countries like Albania, Moldova and Ukraine could have economic growth just from the tourism industry as result of being visa-free with the EU. And then, the EU also donates billions of dollars every year to poor member countries as “convergence” funds.

    * European Union, considered as a single market, is the world’s second largest economy and was previously the world’s largest economy before “Brexit” (exit of the United Kingdom from the EU).

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  187. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    So, when you make the same impression on two different people it does not mean anything to you, because both of them are “sovok”

    The two people were literally Soviet defenders of the Soviet system.

    and yet both of them noticed that you are arrogant and full of ungrounded self-importance

    From the perspective of Sovoks it may seem that way, because Sovoks are just that low. My attitude is however not universal but limited to Soviet defenders of the Soviet system, like you and that guy. Non-Soviets are just superior to your kind. Just look what your kind did to your countries in the 1990s. Awful.

    Or is it not entertaining your sick imagination enough, and for that reason you even fail to notice that your own references refute your idiotic fantasies

    I used your own words to show that he was a police officer arresting farmers at the end of the Red Terror.

    You claimed you didn’t say that. I posted your words. You were caught lying as usual.

    I wrote, “You are descended from someone who was arresting people at the end of the Red Terror.”

    You replied. “You are making that statement so often that it would not hurt to bring up a quotation of mine in order to back it up. You have not done that however because there is none. You are a pathological liar.”

    Your words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5418888

    “my great grandmother… married the man, who was, as an officer, sent to arrest her father on suspicion of him hiding a part of his profit, in order to avoid taxation. That was during the NEP.”

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5421080

    “Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.”

    That was later. We are talking about 1922 here.”

    We have seen who the pathological liar is. Of course, it is you, the Sovok.

    The Red Terror ended in 1918.

    According to the Russian wiki article it formally ended in 1918 after only about 2 months. But it informally continued for years afterward.

    https://www.rbth.com/history/329091-how-many-lives-claimed-red-terror

    The campaign lasted two months, but usually the Red Terror is used as a blanket term for all political repressions of the Soviet government during the civil war in Russia – from October 1917, when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Provisional Government, to 1922, when they finally defeated their enemies.

    The New Economic Policy (NEP) began in 1921. How could it co-exist with the Red Terror

    Does 1921 come before 1922?

    Was he just hired when he came to arrest your great-grandmother’s dad in 1922? For how many months or years was he arresting people during the time of the Red Terror?

    He was 20 back then

    So he joined the Soviet police in order to arrest farmers on behalf of the murderous Soviet state at age 20 in 1922, the last year of the Red Terror, or did he join earlier at age 19?

    The Red Terror was perpetrated by VChK – the Extraordinary Commission, that was dissolved in 1922

    Same state. Arresting similar victims (such as allegedly tax evading wealthier farmers). What do you figure happened to the farmers whom your great-grandfather arrested? What did the Soviet state do to them?

    NKVD was a Soviet analog of the American Department of Justice or interior ministries of other countries. It was managing the police and not the VChK

    The NKVD under whom your great-grandfather worked also managed prison camps and forced labor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD

    What kind of person chooses to join the blood-soaked Bolshevik state in the role of arresting farmers during the time of the Red Terror?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  188. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    That’s Ukrainian math, where 2×2=25.5? In reality, he sent less then half of contract servicemen and not a single conscript.

    I wrote “usable forces.”

    https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011404/putin-has-committed-75-percent-of-russias-total-military-to-the-ukraine

    The U.S. estimates that Russian President Vladimir Putin has “around 75 percent of his total military committed to the fight in Ukraine,” the official said, clarifying later that the 75 percent figure mostly refers to “battalion tactical groups, which is the units that he has primarily relied upon.”

    :::::::::::::::

    Battalion Tactical Groups are the units Russia uses in war:

    https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/getting-know-russian-battalion-tactical-group

    Russia had about 168 of them in 2021.

    110 were sent into Ukraine:

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-ill-fated-invasion-ukraine-lessons-modern-warfare#:~:text=Russia%20deployed%20roughly%20110%20Battalion,repaired%20bridges%20and%20roads%20to

    That is 65%, but others were in Russia near Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @AnonfromTN
  189. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    You wrote on Tuesday that Ukraine is claiming 3,000. It was not, at that time.

    What an unbelievable idiot.

    I was referring to the previous post of mine written on Sunday

    And you were using the present tense (“is”) on Tuesday.

    So in this case you lied by claiming obsolete data were current data.

    “Of course you think it doesn’t matter when you lie, as Sovoks do.”

    Did I not explain in that initial post that it was done to prevent the supplies from coming to the front line?

    That what matters

    Apparently the idea that the metro was offline mattered enough for you to write about it. In your words, “. The trains and the subway do not run and will not run anytime soon.” But when it turned out that you wrote yet another lie, it ceased mattering. Of course.

    You think that I care about the Ukrainians, who were or were not left with or without electricity? I care not.

    I don’t care if there is water in Ukraine. Or food. Or medications. Or heat.

    Of course you don’t. Bringing death to people is in your blood Sovok, why would you care about Ukrainians not having food, water, medicine, or heat?

    Thanks for admitting it.

    Or were you trying to be humorous?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  190. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    government in a multi-ethnic state requires more authoritarianism,

    Unlike this responsible and intelligent Saint-Simon kind of management like Singapore, there are maybe also interesting examples of the bourgeois colonial states like the USA and Brazil which have been very multi-ethnic and try to increase diversity of groups since the early 20th century.

    In the colonial states, they probably wouldn’t want complete inter-ethnic harmony, as this would not distract from the class disharmony which is necessary condition for the existence of the ruling positions.

    Some of the minorities have the fake ethnic sentimental groups (“Boston Irish”) where they pretend to continue the national culture.

    But the stronger incentive is to assimilate to the rules of the colony and to climb to the position of a colonist. For the sample from our forum, there is the successful assimilated from Ukraine example of AP and JackD, who write their justification for their love of dogs, automobile suburbs, clapboard houses and unfortunately sometimes police brutality they support.

    JackD believes his dogs dislike the smell of representatives of groups which are lower than him in the American hierarchy, even though his parents were third world origin people.

    In America, the ethnic division has been probably politically useful for distracting the majority of the population from their position in the hierarchy. Obama was an example of concession in support of the reactionary forces, while Bernard Sanders is the really dangerous person who you would not allow near power.

    Brazil has a cynical example, where they export Pele or their football team to the foreigners and talk about how they are the utopian antiracists. While overall reality in the country still might seem a bit more like a kind of slave plantation.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Coconuts
  191. LondonBob says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A war you have been cheerleading, I have been advocating peace, but then we know who has been blocking such talks and why.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  192. LondonBob says:
    @Thulean Friend

    My cousins likely voted Swedish Democrats, my aunts and uncles probably not.

  193. S says:
    @A123

    The Germans need to forgive themselves, even if others won’t.

    Germans need ABSOLUTION not forgiveness.

    Absolution requires contrition.

    Germany inflicted Open [Muslim] Borders and “Welcome Rape-ugees” policies on European Christians. Where is the remorse?

    And who exactly was it in the first place that forced Germany to take in large numbers of Islamic Turkish colonists and settlers, known by the euphamism as ‘guest workers’?

    The Germans are a broken and defeated people who have long been under foreign (US) military occupation.

    Should there be any ‘contrition’ and ‘remorse’ it should start far closer to home.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @sudden death
  194. @S

    …that forced Germany to take in large numbers of Islamic Turkish colonists and settlers…

    Any more details or sources how West Germany was forced to this – e.g. any speeches or directions by Eisenhower, Kennedy or Johnson administrations to Adenauer or Brandt governments available anywhere?

    • Replies: @S
    , @German_reader
  195. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    The Russians appear to have kept much of it around Crimea and gap between The Dneiper and Donetsk (Stalino) Hughes-Town.

  196. Wokechoke says:
    @Dmitry

    Sanders is Jewish and therefore ought not be a head of state. Sadly he’s the only pol in the US who talks somewhat convincingly of nationalizing healthcare. Which I doubt he really supports. It would bankrupt his kin.

  197. songbird says:
    @A123

    Perhaps some sort of CRISPR mini cowlet

    There was a 20″ tall Bhutanese cow in Bangladesh named Rani, but she doesn’t seem to have lived too long (lived to age two, died due to gas accumulation in stomach), so probably not a useful cultivar.

    In theory, it would be hard to make a healthy cow that small, as it would likely require hundreds or even thousands of genetic changes. But perhaps, we should be ambitious and not thinking in short time frames. If you do something remarkable, it may very well be worth 1000 years of breeding experiments.

    Something similar to that tiny horse in “Valley of the Gwangi” would be neat, while we are at it. (BTW, thought the movie was kind of boring, though they did a good job for the time, with the dinosaur)

  198. S says:
    @sudden death

    No, but it’s safe to say that Germany would not have accepted wage slavery, ie specifically the incredibly destructive so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, the economic and political basis of the modern progressive Multi-Cultural state*, without having first been defeated and then forever since occupied militarily by the United States.

    Japan, though it has taken longer, is just now beginning to experience the same thing Germany has in regards to ‘immigration’ for the very same reasons.

    [*This is a state which with it’s wage slave ‘immigrant’ as it’s economic centerpiece, closely parallels the Anglosphere chattel slave holding society it directly evolved from, the latter having the chattel slave as it’s economic centerpiece. See ‘comment’ link below for further elaboration.]

    It’s long been an unwritten (though plenty obvious) divide and rule US policy, towards both it’s own Anglo-Saxon people, and towards other peoples besides, as succinctly described below on pg 4 of a 2003 academic paper which I’ve excerpted and linked below.

    ‘..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier’ (periphery); and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’

    Actually really and truly caring about one’s own people, though ultimately edifying for all concerned, can be a pain in the ass at times. Play acting that you care with this wage slavery (so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’) Multi-Cultural system, is a whole lot easier, profitable, and, even fun (did I mention profitable?) as you manipulate, wipe out and utterly destroy entire peoples via the resulting mass rape, murder, and genocide in the truest sense of the term, by ‘mixing’.

    How do they get away with it?

    Well, no doubt self deception, not to mention magical thinking, plays a massive role.

    Besides that, too many people are either following (or tolerating) too many poorly leading elites for one. Then, too, just as the evil of chattel slavery and it’s trade had its enablers and collaborators, so too does the evil of wage slavery, some of whom routinely and smugly troll these very threads.

    https://www.academia.edu/2116622/Between_urban_and_national_45_Political_mobilization_among_46_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_4847_towns_

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-195/#comment-5519202

    • Thanks: Emil Nikola Richard
    • Replies: @A123
    , @S
  199. songbird says:
    @Mikel

    Perhaps, it would be possible by mincing the meat and combining the fat of other animals? Turkey bacon is sometimes made using pork.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  200. A123 says: • Website
    @S

    No, but it’s safe to say that Germany would not have accepted wage slavery, ie specifically the incredibly destructive so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, the economic and political basis of the modern progressive Multi-Cultural state*, without having first been defeated and then forever since occupied militarily by the United States.

    Leftism started in Germany and was exported to the U.S. Antifa is a German organization. And, it is among the leading advocates of German multiculturalism for Germany. Germany *invented* multiculturalism and forced or tricked it on everyone else.

    The brains and controllers of, German dominated, EU multiculturalism are where? Could it be the ECB in Frankfurt, Germany?

    — Germany’s Problem is Germany! —

    80% of German voters willingly and voluntarily support parties that champion multiculturalism. They could vote for AfD, but they do not do so. They could create another party against Merkel’s Open [Muslim] Borders and “Welcome Rape-ugees” policies tageting European Christians. However, that also did not happen.

    Instead the German people (with no U.S. interference) chose the Traffic Light coalition and Scholz. The German Greens are the #1 whackos support ending Internal Combustion engines in cars.

    The German justice system of Germans by Germans yielded this: (1)

    The Afghan asylum seeker who was convicted for raping an 11-year-old girl in the central German town of Neustrelitz in January is still in the country, and it appears he will face no threat of deportation.

    The controversial decision to allow him to remain on German territory is due to the “special protection of minors within the Dublin III Agreement,” according to Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania’s Interior Minister Christian Pegel (SPD)

    It is also not the only case involving an Afghan raping an 11-year-old girl in Germany, with a similar case occurring in 2018. In that case, the girl was a special-needs student, and the 22-year-old asylum seeker raped her with two accomplices. In general, foreigners in Germany are responsible for a highly disproportionate amount of rape and sexual assault cases.

    Overall, Germany has a poor record on deportations, even for those individuals convicted of crimes. Over 230,000 foreigners in Germany are facing deportation orders but are allowed to remain in the country under a “tolerated” status.

    And, we all know that “foreigners” is code for MENA origin Muslims.

    Why do Germans love Merkel’s multiculturalism so much? Among Germans she polls 70-80% favourable.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/germany/despite-raping-11-year-old-girl-afghan-migrant-allowed-to-remain-in-germany/

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @S
  201. Wokechoke says:

    I guess Russia is down to Cabbage Cannons and Balloon chairs in their arsenal of the absurd…

    https://www.forces.net/forces-tv/best-weapons-from-A-Team

    BA Barakusov and Fasoviksky

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  202. Mr. Hack says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Ukraine is claiming as well that Ukrainian is the mother tongue of most Ukrainians. But for some reason most Ukrainians do not speak it good enough and prefer to answer questions for an interview in Russian.

    There’s no mystery here and is easy enough to explain. Centuries of Russification perpetrated on the Ukrainian people by its imperialistic neighbor, Russia. There’s so much proof of these processes that it barely requires any repetition here. Thank god that Ukraine is on the precipice of finally being able to shake off the Russian imperialistic stranglehold that has stifled its ability to fully develop its resources and native culture.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  203. A123 says: • Website

    Americans are finally beginning to stand up against European WEF Multiculturalism (1)

    DeSantis sends two planes with migrants to Martha’s Vineyard

    Video [MORE] showing the arrival of the planes was obtained by Fox News, which also reported a statement from the governor’s office. Roughly 50 migrants, including children, arrived at Martha’s Vineyard Airport in Massachusetts, according to the Martha’s Vineyard Times.

    The effort appears to be part of Republican states’ efforts to bring increased attention to the migrant crisis, most notably seen by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R), who has bused migrants to the Democratic-run cities of New York, Washington, D.C., and Chicago. The Florida governor said back in April that the state budget had allocated \$12 million to the Florida Department of Transportation, naming Delaware and Martha’s Vineyard specifically as possible migrant relocation destinations.

    I suggested this humorously not long ago. I did not expect anyone to actally do it.

    “Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus”, Francis Pharcellus Church, 1897

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/immigration/desantis-planes-migrants-marthas-vineyard?u

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
  204. AP says:
    @LondonBob

    Anti-war means supporting the invaded, not demanding surrender.

  205. @AP

    The U.S. estimates

    That explains it. The US estimates fall into two categories: lies and blatant lies. E.g., the US estimates that it spreads democracy, and that it is an “indispensable” nation. It is obvious to any unbiased observer that these estimates have no relation to reality. But if these fairy tales comfort you, stay comforted.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  206. @A123

    Why do Germans love Merkel’s multiculturalism so much? Among Germans she polls 70-80% favourable.

    Public relations. Richard Nixon won the 1972 election in a landslide. All of his classmates at Duke Law School thought he was an asshole. Every single one of them!

    Television=idiot box. Don’t watch it. With sports highlight videos there is no reason at all to even have one in your house. All of the meaningful action in a 3.5 hour superbowl can be seen in ten minutes and the last time I looked the adblock was working just fine.

    • Agree: S, Barbarossa
    • Replies: @A123
  207. Beckow says:
    @S

    The elites…were driven by the profoundly ‘moral’ desire to do anything but pay their own people the prevailing real time local rates for labor, and employ alien chattel or wage slave labor to accomplish this.

    That’s what elites always do, that’s how they are ‘elites‘. That was true in 1860’s as much as today. There is no such thing as abstract wealth – the endless financial assets, pieces of paper or electronic entries are not wealth. They are simply a representation of underlying material wealth in the society – the way material resources are distributed. They depend on an agreed on system where those things are accepted and their value is enforced – but by themselves they have no value.

    The only wealth is what we consume during our lives, the tangible stuff that can be described in real terms. The main purpose for the existence of elites is to have as much access to the material consumption as possible, in perpetuity, without having to do what would be considered ‘work’ by any normal human. The elites manage the creation and conversion of everything into ‘virtual assets’, ‘contracts’, ‘monetary instruments’ etc… all of it serves no other purpose but to assure continued access to the material wealth that they want to consume.

    The problem is that when the material wealth becomes scarce – as is happening now – the financial instrument that constitute most ‘wealth’ become meaningless. It can take a long time and can be partially mitigated by inflation. But the process in the West has started – the gradual unravelling of ‘financial assets’ because they are suddenly confronted with fewer material assets. That’s what Russia-China are doing, they are pulling the rug from under the Western finances.

    The West either needs to win the war to enforce access to the cheap material resources or it needs to find new resources. Both are very hard, that’s why the desperate doubling down by the Western power centers – they need to pretend that reality is not what it is as long as possible, maybe a miracle will happen. The line-up on the two sides is quite clear: virtual wealth of the West against material resources (Russia-China…). In wars material resources matter more. But another inevitable factor is that wars destroy stuff and impoverish everyone. This will be quite a ride. And all for the most idiotic goals: plant Nato bases in Ukraine and ban Russians in Ukraine from being ‘Russian’.

    Or maybe Russia-China have planned this all along – that will be the Western narrative once they realize that there is no winning by waving spreadsheets at energy, manufacturing or food.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
  208. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    But if these fairy tales comfort you, stay comforted.

    And what fairy tales do you subscribe to that allow you to keep your old carcass living in the lap of luxury in the good old USA, professor? If Russia and Ukraine ain’t your thing, there are many other countries in the world where you can move to in able to perform your “very valuable” experimentations. But no, you hypocrite, I surmise that what keeps you here in this blessed land is something that you’ve sold your soul to long ago:

    The ruble just doesn’t stack up, for many reasons.

  209. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    What happened to your almighty “second strongest army in the world”? You must be writhing and twisting in unbearable pain right now, witnessing the extermination of Putler’s asiatic hordes. All of your military theories seem to have dissipated in plain sight??…..

  210. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I also provided numbers not from the US government, which you conveniently ignored.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  211. Hunsdon says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Priyatel, those were all regrettably necessary defensive actions, under the “It’s different when we do it” exception to international law.

  212. S says:
    @S

    I should add to my just previous post, that after World War III (should there be an after) that the powers that be* will, with a knowing smirk, be sure to solemnly lecture all involved, ‘Do you see what peoplehood has led you to, all these (likely hundreds of millions, if not billions) dead, and the massive destruction?’ ‘For your own good, you must really give up this idea of ‘peoples’ and ‘peoplehood’.’

    A knowing smirk as it will have been these very powers that be which will have manipulated the peoples involved into fighting WWIII. I think the questionable rationalization here on their part is that the world war was going to happen anyway, irregardless, so may as well help it along in a somewhat controlled manner.

    I have to say it was particularly brilliant convincing people to think, depending on viewpoint, that each of the big three players involved till recently, Trump, Putin, and Zelensky, were each ‘a new Hitler’ who were each leading ‘Nazis’!TM/’Fascists’!TM, and thus covering all bases.

    The powers that be don’t really like the peoples of the world, nor do they like mankind as a whole. Hitler is their designated evil poster boy for any and all substantive physical and, or, cultural expressions of peoplehood, irregardless if that peoplehood is manifest in the form of a democracy, republic, or, whatever.

    You see, you can’t have a ‘United States of the World’, or, ‘Empire’, as they sometimes call it, with a bunch of distinctive peoples running around thinking they’ve got something called ‘sovereignty, or, for that matter, having the temerity to think they even have the simple right to exist at all.

    ‘The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.’ Edward L. Bernays Propaganda (1928)

    * ie Powerful elements of the elites and their hangers on of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples.

    https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/481391-propaganda

  213. @Mr. Hack

    Centuries of Russification perpetrated on the Ukrainian people by its imperialistic neighbor, Russia. There’s so much proof of these processes that it barely requires any repetition here.

    Do you know why the native tongue is called the mother tongue?

    Because it is the language of your mother – in which you think, and dream, and feel most comfortable and spontaneous speaking in. And even centuries of Russification would have been undone in a matter of two generations had the people wanted it.

    The truth is that there was not Russification but Ukrainization. And it did not work despite that it was an aggressive and assertive policies imposed on the people during several decades.

    In 1935–36, 83% of all school children in the Ukrainian SSR were taught in Ukrainian even though Ukrainians made up about 80% of the population. In 1936 from 1830 newspapers 1402 were in Ukrainian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainization

    I was born and grew up in that part of Ukraine where the peasant population, including those who migrated to the cities, spoke the South-western dialect. I can understand it, I guess I could speak it if need be but I did not ever do that, because it was not needed. The same people who spoke Ukrainian at home preferred Russian outside.

    [MORE]

    My grandmother was born and raised in that region of Ukraine where people spoke another western dialect. She could speak it but she communicated in Russian. And she could speak Yiddish because she learned it from her grandparents. Neither Ukrainization nor the Russification did not make her forget the tongue of her grandparents.

    My grandfather was from that part of Ukraine where people that lived in the rural areas spoke another one western dialect and he could speak it as well. But he was a Romanian and he could speak Romanian, but he preferred to communicate in Russian. Yet he did learn Romanian from his parents and spoke it as a Romanian would.

    The point is no one can make people speak another language. People choose their first tongue based on how much benefit it brings. If one wanted to read a good book he had to know Russian. If one wanted to get higher education he had to know Russian – because the Ukrainian language is primitive and there is not much literature in Ukrainian.

    I decided to learn English because I felt that not knowing it was limiting, and I wanted to understand what the songs that I loved were about and to appreciate the poetical side of them. I wanted to watch the movies I loved without translation. I wanted to be capable of speaking with foreigners in other countries. And now I can.

    But what can the Ukrainian language connect one with?

    Not a one good thing.

    For that reason even the native Ukrainians preferred Russian once having moved to the cities.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  214. @Here Be Dragon

    And yet the US and Europe have flooded space with useful stuff like communications satellites, earth observation platforms at various frequencies and usable GPC systems. This includes sampling asteriods to see how to avoid catastrophe.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  215. Putin goes to Uzbekistan to “explain himself” to Xi.

    Note the power stances. Khurelsukh is doing the full legs apart, fists ready stance as recommended by PR experts. Putin’s is more muted than usual. Xi just isn’t bothering.

    https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F5a51b12b-f905-4841-9d4f-617e560eca67.png?dpr=2&fit=scale-down&quality=medium&source=next&width=700

  216. @LondonBob

    Russia invaded Ukraine. Peace is when Russia goes home. Or when Russia has occupied Ukraine for generations and has essentially expunged Ukrainian nationhood with their blood. Like Stalin tried in the 30s.

    You advocate for “peace” in many, many decades time. After a tremendous amount of bloodshed and suffering. I advocate for it when Russians merely drive the 100 odd kilometres back to Russia. That could be tomorrow.

    As for your constant allegation that foreign powers have been blocking talks, Ukrainians laugh at you. You say this to try this demoralise Ukrainians and paint them as puppets, but they support defending their homeland, and they are the ones doing the defending. In other words, you just look like a lunatic to them.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  217. @Here Be Dragon

    I speak English as my mother tongue. That doesn’t make me English. I have seen the process of Imperialisation that you describe at first hand and I have seen it reversed. Preference in state sector employment is a huge component as are schools and media of course. It is quite possible to manage bilingualism. Here in overwhelming majority English areas, the English names come first on the road signs. In Welsh majority or large minority areas the Welsh names come first. Inappropriately applied bilingualism brings its own absurdities but they are few.

  218. @Philip Owen

    In Welsh majority or large minority areas the Welsh names come first.

    When driving in Wales, I noticed this. When the sign is written in familiar letters but not a single word is recognizable, it’s in Welsh. I liked it better in Singapore: everything is written in four languages, English, Chinese, Bahasa (Malay language), and one of the Indian languages (the alphabet is specific, but India has many alphabets, so I can’t recognize it). I also encountered a funny thing in Switzerland. The ticket machine at the railway station first asks you what language you want, giving you a choice of English, German, and French. No matter what you choose, everything after that is in German.

    But anything is way better than primeval tribal nationalism and consequent suppression of all languages of other tribes, as practiced in today’s Ukraine.

  219. @Philip Owen

    The problem is, Philip, that no one is denying it. You are however trying to belittle and depreciate the accomplishments and contributions of the Soviet people to the world whenever it is possible, often resorting to plain lies and slander.

    But you can’t rewrite history!

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  220. @Here Be Dragon

    But you can’t rewrite history!

    Yes, you can. You cannot change the reality, current or past. But you can create fairy tales depicting false reality and false history, and you can make most people believe your lies. E.g., your post 192 features a book describing false history, and you’d be surprised how many people would believe lies, even lies as ridiculous as that one. This is called propaganda.

    • Agree: Here Be Dragon
  221. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I stream just about everything. IMSA releases full auto races commercial free a few days after they are televised.

    I do have an antenna if I need to pick up some thing local. The U.S. South has Hurricane season, fortunately quiet so far this year.

    PEACE 😇

  222. S says:
    @A123

    Leftism started in Germany and was exported to the U.S….Germany *invented* multiculturalism and forced or tricked it on everyone else.

    You seem to have something of a fixation on Germans and all things German. Multi-Culturalism, the synthesis of Capitalism and Communism, the ideology of ‘cheap labor’ and instutionalized division, was not invented by the Germans. As for what is called ‘Leftism’ starting in Germany, I don’t think so.

    Will probably just have to agree to disagree.

    As for real power, under ‘more’ I’ll leave an excerpt from WT Stead’s 1902 book, The Americanization of the World, which celebrates the newly formed US/UK ‘special relationship, a relationship only just short of the outright political union they had originally been trying to achieve.

    His economic calculations on pg 10, 11, 12 reveal the US/UK had three times the wealth and economic resources of the combined French, Russian, and German empires. Almost certainly numbers very much like those held true through 1941. Since that time, the US/UK despite appearances of late, has retained a global hegemony.

    As Stead summed it up regarding the US/UK, ‘the lion’s share of the world is ours’.

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    ‘The lion’s share of the world is ours..’

    ‘The lion’s share of the world is ours, not only in bulk, but in tid-bits also. The light land of the Sahara is not worth a centime an acre. The vast area of German South Africa would hardly provide a livelihood for the population of a middle-sized German village. With the exception of the Rhine, the Danube, the Amoor, the Volga, the Platte and the Amazon, nearly all the great navigable rivers of the world enter the sea under the Union Jack or the Stars and Stripes.’

    ‘The valley of the Yang-tse-Kiang is earmarked as the sphere of our influence. The whole of the North American Continent,’ from the North Pole to the frontier of Mexico, is within the ring fence of the English-speaking race, and from the whole of Central and Southern America all trespassers have been emphatically warned off by the proclamation of the Monroe Doctrine.’

    https://archive.org/details/americanizationo01stea/page/8/mode/2up

    • Replies: @A123
  223. A123 says: • Website
    @S

    You seem to have a fixation on the U.S. and all things American.

    Trying to blame America for Angela Merkel’s Open [Muslim] Borders and “Welcome Rape-ugees” policies targeting European Christians is a bald faced lie and incredibly offensive.

    Denying that Antifa is from Germany is equally absurd (1)

    To begin at the beginning: Antifa—real name: Antifaschisitsche Aktion—was born during the street-fights of the 1932 Weimar Republic. It was founded by the Stalinist Communist Party of Germany (KPD), although various Communist “anti-fascist defense” units were associated with the KPD much earlier.

    Anti-fascist Action’s sole purpose was to help the KPD combat other political parties for control of the streets in the revolutionary politics of the rapidly failing Weimar Republic.

    And yes, they fought the Nazis.

    But they also fought liberal parties, conservative parties, and anyone and everyone who got in their way. While these early antecedents were short-lived, it is useful to view Antifa in this context. More than anything, Antifa exists to serve as a tool of revolutionary politics in a failed (or failing) state.

    I’ll cut you a deal.

    If you stop obsessively lying about America, I will spend less time talking about Germany.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/the-real-history-of-antifa/

  224. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s not clear that Stalin did what you say. Not that he was a Russian anyway. There was a fellow called Kaganovich who administered the starvation…and another earlier on called Trotsky who conquered Ukraine. . Both were native Ukie and Jews too. As pointed out the current shape of Ukieland was altered by Kruschev (married to a Galician) to include Crimea.

    These details matter a great deal.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  225. Mikel says:
    @songbird

    I’m sure that would be technically feasible, and also using goat fat from other parts of their bodies, but I wouldn’t call that real bacon.

    Btw, I make breakfast sausage with my rabbits’ meat. At the beginning I used powder milk as a substitute for fat, which I didn’t want to add from other animals, but now I make the sausage just with meat and spices and they taste very good to me. My son likes them too, not knowing that they come from the bunnies. It may help that when I feed my rabbits with plenty of grain, their meat gets a little marbled.

    When everything goes well a couple of rabbit does and a buck produce so much meat that you need to be resourceful and try all kinds of recipes to avoid getting bored.

    • Thanks: songbird
  226. @AP

    You were using the present tense (“is”) on Tuesday. So in this case you lied by claiming obsolete data were current data.

    No, fool. I did not lie because I was referring to the data being discussed. You are indeed retarded.

    Bringing death to people is in your blood Sovok, why would you care about Ukrainians not having food, water, medicine, or heat? Thanks for admitting it.

    No one should care about them. Not one of them cared when the water was cut off from Crimea.

    The people of Ukraine have returned to their historical roots – murdering of women and children.

    Or were you trying to be humorous?

    Better tell me if that was humorous – decorating trees with corpses of murdered children. Your fellow Ukrainians left a lot of trees decorated as such for the Poles to find them.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  227. @Mr. Hack

    The little girl’s opinions are irrelevant. The fact is that she’s being targeted for harassment by an organization whose other targets often end up killed.

  228. @Philip Owen

    I speak English as my mother tongue. That doesn’t make me English.

    It does, at least to some extent. The same as it does not make me Russian but other people perceive me as such because that is the tongue I speak.

    There are a number of components that determine how a person identifies himself and his mother tongue is one of the most important.

    The process is for the most part subcoscious. You can consider something to be true but it does not make it so, and deep inside one can feel that it is not.

    You can believe whatever, but the part of mind that is underneath the conscious awareness will feel whether these beliefs are true or not. This is how people go nuts.

    Preference in state sector employment is a huge component as are schools and media of course.

    People who could speak Ukrainian had preference in the state sector, and there were Ukrainian schools, Ukrainian newspapers and TV channels. And even Ukrainian cartoons.

    But most Ukrainians in the cities preferred to speak Russian outside of their homes. The region I am talking about had a small share of minorities – for the most part Russians and Jews.

    That is because Ukraine does not have a culture. Without the Russian language a Ukrainian person is limited in development. Had it not been so the entire Ukraine would have begun speaking Ukrainian a long time ago.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  229. @Here Be Dragon

    This particular photo of hanged children has nothing to do with WWII as the harrowing crime was commited in 1923 by gypsy mother at Polish woods:

    Marianna Dolińska (1891–1928) was a Romani woman from the village of Antoniówka in Radom County, Poland. In 1923, after her husband was arrested for burglary and her wagon camp was dispersed, she wandered in the wilderness with her four children, aged six months to seven years. Fearing for their starvation, on the night of 11 December, she murdered them, hanging them from a tree. She confessed at a police station the following day. Dolińska was sent to a psychiatric hospital and died there in 1928.

    Crime scene photographs of the bodies of Dolińska’s children came to be known as the “wreath of children” and have been falsely claimed to represent victims of the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in 1943.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianna_Doli%C5%84ska

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Here Be Dragon
  230. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    in contrast to deeply parochial Ukraine, RF president has to think globally

    I don’t believe your numbers but, by “thinking globally”, Putin may share the destiny of General Galtieri. I don’t know who could possibly unseat him but being defeated in a war of choice started by yourself has historically ended very badly.

    Another similarity I see between the “SMO” and the Falklands War is that a big military with lots of advantages on paper is unable to defeat a smaller military with better tactics, better information and advanced Western hardware.

    Russia is a nuclear-armed country with a huge reserve of manpower. There is no doubt it could defeat Ukraine if it went medieval and the West didn’t intervene directly but with the current forces and tactics it’s impossible. It would at least have made some net gains since the “second phase” of this operation was announced last spring, instead of losing even more ground. And there are no signs that the Kremlin is willing or capable of changing anything substantially.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Dmitry
  231. @Here Be Dragon

    Ukraine does not have a culture

    Have to disagree. Ukraine does have a culture, which includes Ukrainian literature. It does look a midget next to Russian culture, but it exists. In fact, it towers way above the cultures of any of the Baltic statelets. Thing is, the comparison with Russian culture is not exactly fair: only English language-based culture is in the same league, all others are a lot more limited (at least regarding cultures based on European languages; don’t know enough about Chinese).

  232. @Mikel

    And there are no signs that the Kremlin is willing or capable of changing anything substantially.

    Russia is in fact fighting NATO, Ukrainians are just disposable cannon fodder. Neither of us has a reliable crystal ball. As the joke puts it, “it’s hard to predict, especially the future”. So, let’s compare notes six months from now.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    , @Mikhail
  233. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    In the colonial states, they probably wouldn’t want complete inter-ethnic harmony, as this would not distract from the class disharmony which is necessary condition for the existence of the ruling positions.

    There is relatively more leeway to let this go on without it causing too many problems of its own, but we may be seeing now that even in the US its potential has limitations.

    I think in Europe there have been attempts to mimic the approach, but they will probably have shorter lifespans as there isn’t the same space for expansion as in the US, and the different ethnic groups are too divergent in religion and background culture as well as ethnicity (more like in Singapore).

    This is why some sort of Singapore outcome might be the most positive option, to avoid the other possibilities, things like descending into communal or ethnic subjectivism, as I wrote about in the last thread.

    While overall reality in the country still might seem a bit more like a kind of slave plantation.

    For one reason and another I think the Lusophone countries make up a small and unusual (compared to mainstream European) world of their own, this slave plantation vibe in Brazil for example seems more widespread than anything still observable in the US. Like Portugal in the early 2000s seemed to feel like the Western country most stuck in an earlier period of time, with women in the countryside carrying large bundles of goods balanced on their heads, and when you arrived in Spain you would sit next to the radiator for an evening because this technology was still rarely seen in Portugal.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  234. @Wokechoke

    No, they matter to your narrative only. The Russia dindu nuffin narrative. Pathetic.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  235. @Philip Owen

    I speak English as my mother tongue. That doesn’t make me English.

    Who cares that an incel weirdo sewer-rat like you Phil claims to not be English? You’re British which makes you English enough, you work as a typical Anglo-saxon prick in Russia based on your englishness. Welsh is British , which is English sufficiently because you are all British passport holders.

    Russian, Belorussian and Malorussian ( i.e “Ukrainian”) is the same people you idiot.
    England, Scotland and Wales are part of the same nation, but how much they are different and how much they overlap as same people I need somebody who knows the situation to explain it to me – but for sure they are not as much the same people as Russian/Bel/Ukr.

    I hear that in the typical english sport of Cricket, the England Cricket team is actually called officially the “England and Wales cricket team”…but the only issue ( I have been told, so its not my own knowledge) is that not a single person includes the “and Wales” bit. On the scoreboard , on the television it will clearly state “England vs India” or whoever. You have silent letters in words, this is a common feature of languages around the world. What I have never thought I would have heard of is silent words, silent countries within a phrase!
    Although Wales has its own international football team, all the Wales football club teams play in the ENGLISH football team. Note – this is not just the good players making journey to play in lucrative english league….this is the entire club team representing the whole welsh city or town!

    Dinorwig Hydro-electric power station, which I have visited on a wonderful day ( I think it was 2 because we hiked on the big mountain there )during holiday in Britain, was built with English ( so British) money, to give electricity to more Wales and English homes – but to most of the homes benefiting being in England more than Wales.

    Quite sure Wales has same currency as England. Scotland definitely uses different notes and coins – although I think that (bizarrely) the scottish money won’t be accepted in Wales or English places other than banks, and vice-versa, although internationally the scottish money is treated as exactly the same currency as English pound at currency-exchange points

    As for making some idiotic contradictory point, supporting your false and retarded scumbag assertions on the Ukraine – this fake nation has messed up the issue of bilingualism contrary to the Wales, has not judging by the way you describe it.

    Wales language presumably developed on its own, and has been around for centuries, with texts for centuries. Ukrainian fake language his completely opposite as all its development depending on Russia and actions in Saint Petersburg in particular, and then in Moscow

    Wales would also be wiped off the map if it did become different to Britain or its local government decided to join military alliance with Russia anyway you imbecilic retard.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  236. @Dmitry

    Who doesn’t know about Ukrainian corruption?

    The average westerner.

    Complete lies about the population of Ukraine make their entire “supporting Ukraine” cult one massive corruption scheme in everything from military to education to food to medicine etc. Its impossible to not be corrupt when money and items are given that are accounting for a much bigger population than actually lives in Ukraine/404.

    With the massive corruption scheme, the incentive for the ukrop political elites, oligarchs, military leaders to find a diplomatic solution becomes zero . Their kids guaranteed places at top western schools ( or the threat of this and property being taken away if they do negotiate for peace) makes thousands of ukronazis getting killed and maimed while getting used as cannon fodder an enticing goal for these scum.

    The reality is, now Ukraine has EU candidate status with Moldova since July.

    The reality is that is a nothing position. Ukraine won’t ever get into the EU if the normal standards and rules are applied for what must be achieved to get into there. In 8 years, f**k all achieved in technical standards, legal standards or business standards. Much of its anti-Russian state position directly hinders those 3 levels in ways that it never could for Latvia or Poland.

    Moldova is different to Ukraine anyway, in that while Banderastan is cursed to be with delinquent Poles when becoming anti-Russian state,…. although Moldova provides much cheap labour into Romania , Romanians view Moldovans as the same people, hand out Romanian passports to whatever Moldovans want them – which means banking and other services are all available to them, which means EU services are in effect all available to them. Romania interlocking with Moldova is very feasible when its a 20 million population country integrating with a 4M population.

    Ukrainians provide huge cheap labour also for the Poles – doing much more degrading work and for longer hours , as they are criminally exploited by the Poles far more than Romanians could ever intend for Moldovans. Poles, clearly don’t view Ukrops as the same people, only as whores they can use for their anti-Russia project and as a springboard for their inferiority complex to Russians. Ukrainians aren’t being handed out Polish citizenship anywhere as easily as Moldovans get Romanian, so banking and other higher quality services than are in Ukraine are not available to them. Polish absorption/integration with 404 is extremely less feasible when we are talking about Poland and 404 being country’s of roughly the same population. So despite Moldova’s big problems, it’s still in much better position to join EU.

    Poor countries like Albania, Moldova and Ukraine could have economic growth just from the tourism industry as result of being visa-free with the EU.

    Russia deals in reciprocity with EU states, so rules on visas, airlines, tour operators have to have the same benefits for both sides. Ukraine, partly because its a failed prostitute state, and partly because clearly the balance of power is with EU side and they want to open the country up more to rich EU tourists – currently has rules where it is very, very easy for EU/British citizen to go there ( pre February 2022 of course) – so there is no need for reciprocal visa-free with EU anyway. If EU stopped allowing ukrops to visit, it would still be easy for europeans to go to Ukraine………but they don’t want to visit because it is a failed state shithole country. Ryanair and Easyjet not showing much interest to establish busy routes there, except for sex tourists and Chernobyl enthusiasts.

    Bulgaria is in EU, and although that has helped more French and particularly British go there on holiday – I don’t think it’s too big a selling point. The main tourists there are still Romanians, Turks, Greeks, Macedonians, Serbians, Ukrainians ( althought that is probably faked statistics), Russians and Germans. Some of them are in EU, some aren’t but with all the EU states listed, they have history of doing holiday in Bulgaria from Eastern Bloc time.

    The EU has donated hundreds of billions of dollars to Poland. In such a situation, where hundreds of billions of dollars of European money is given as aid to Poland, it is impossible for Poland not to grow economically, while also being integrated to a successful economy like Germany and entering trade partnership with the world’s second largest economy.* This is despite the many problems of the Polish society, including the low quality of education and weak political system.

    Completely correct.

  237. @AP

    My attitude is not universal but limited to Soviet defenders of the Soviet system, like you and that guy. Non-Soviets are superior to your kind. Look what your kind did to your countries in the 1990s. Awful.

    Not nearly as awful as what your sickening kind have been doing to yours, and other countries since the 1970s.

    Your attitude, if we may call it that, to “Soviet defenders of the Soviet system” about which you do not know a thing is a part of your mental illness. There are many other eccentricities and pathological peculiarities of your character of which you also have a patho-logical explanation.

    [MORE]

    Such as your pretentious belief in your inherent nobility, whereas you are a descendant of immigrants who were nobodies, and have a bunch of close relatives among peasants.

    I used your own words to show that he was a police officer at the end of the Red Terror. You claimed you didn’t say that. Your words: “That was during the NEP.”

    A perfect example of pathological thinking. I said during the NEP, but in your head it turned into the Red Terror!

    Pure schizophrenia.

    According to the Russian wiki article it [The Red Terror] formally ended in 1918 after only about 2 months. But it informally continued for years afterward.

    No it did not.

    The Red Terror was a legislative act that was cancelled in 1918. You are citing an opinion of a man with no face who is not known to no one to refute an actual historical fact?

    Alexey Timofeychev
    https://muckrack.com/alexey-timofeychev

    “The campaign lasted two months, but USUALLY the Red Terror is used as a blanket term for all political repressions of the Soviet government during the civil war in Russia – from October 1917, when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Provisional Government, to 1922, when they finally defeated their enemies.”

    The Russian Civil War ended in 1920. Such was the position of the Soviet and is of the Russian historians.

    At the end of summer of 1920 most of the territory of the Russian Empire was under control of the Red Army. Somewhat in October the last forces of Wrangel were defeated. That is considered the end of the Civil War.

    After that there were minor disturbances in the Far East and on Caucasus, later in Ukraine there was a campaign against Makhno and his anarchist army and some local war on the Mongolian border.

    But that is not considered a continuation of the Civil War.

    So he joined the Soviet police in order to arrest farmers on behalf of the murderous Soviet state at age 20 in 1922, the last year of the Red Terror, or did he join earlier at age 19?

    He had to be trained first and educated so I guess he was 20 when he began. But in any case from 1921 there was no war and no terror but was the NEP.

    What do you figure happened to the farmers whom your great-grandfather arrested? What did the Soviet state do to them?

    I guess those were treated with accordance to the law. The Soviet law was softer than the law of most western countries at the time.

    The NKVD under whom your great-grandfather worked also managed prison camps and forced labor.

    And so does your own Department of Justice – the Federal Bureau of Prisons is an integral part of the department. And as we know the United States has the highest rate of incarceration in the world and the largest prison population as well.

    Despite being one third of China the United States is keeping a lot more people in cages than China does. The United States is number one in the incarceration rate whereas Russia is number 24.

    The United States are putting people in prison more often than Rwanda is! A nice country you have over there.

    What kind of person chooses to join the blood-soaked Bolshevik state in the role of arresting farmers during the time of the Red Terror?

    I have no idea.

    But I guess not the kind that chooses to join the genocidal state of the Nazis in the role of beating innocent women and children with sticks to death.

    Your kind of person is the worst kind.

    • Replies: @AP
  238. Hunsdon says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Hear him!

    Russia has a well earned reputation for maskirovka and deception. Ukraine’s current leaders are from the entertainment media complex—also skilled at spinning a story.

    We will know for sure (or mostly for sure!) in the fullness of time. Right now, we wander in a wilderness of mirrors. My sympathies are, generally speaking, on the side of the Russians.

  239. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s quite important to distinguish the ethnic origin of the characters in Imperial Russian history, their medieval history the USSR period and the bungled post Cold War era. Jews, Russians, Georgians, Ukies, Balts, German aristocrats and a few Poles etc.

    Playing fast and loose with identifying the nationality of the players there does no one in the west any favors.

    Stalin was no Russian. The last Czar was a German married to a Dane who communicated in English. The Red Army was created by a Ukrainian Jew called Trotsky and the Cheka created by a Polish aristocrat Dzershinski (sp) . Kruschev was probably a Ukie and he was certainly married to one if he was an ethnic Russian after all. Brezhnev’s origins are Ukrainian. Lenin was a Russian ethnic. Gorbachev was half Ukrainian apparently. Kerensky was also Russian.

    It’s funny you use the Dindu Nuffin phrase. I might have been the guy who coined or popularised that years ago.

  240. @Wokechoke

    While I doubt you were “the guy” who popularised “dindu nuffin”; if you did, I guess you knew what it was from self-experience.

    Russia is the inheritor to the Soviet dindu nuffin existence. Everyone else rejected it, and learned and grew. But Russians still sound like the stupidest African politicians. Like Malema.

    In the United States, people like George Floyd are the pets, but in Russia, the pets run the household.

    Neither is ideal, but one is significantly less deranged.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  241. @AP

    I also provided numbers not from the US government, which you conveniently ignored.

    The cabal that owns the US government also owns the US vassal states, mainstream media (including many internet-based sources), “think tanks”, etc. The numbers from all sources owned by this cabal have one thing in common: they are lies. Today their propaganda does not even bother with half-truths, spewing blatant lies and inventing “comrade Ogilvy”-type stories that are presented as “news”.

  242. @Gerard1234

    Your failure to pay attention is not my problem.

  243. @Gerard1234

    No need to be negative about the 300 billion frozen.

    All Russian gains and Western waste would be the same w/o allowing the cabal running “democratic” West to steal its money. Silly illusions about the West harbored by Putin and others of his generation are the only reason Russia risked keeping these moneys in the West.

    It’s not that there weren’t precedents. Remember, Ghaddafi billions “disappeared” from “safe and reliable” Western bank. In other cases they didn’t even pretend: billions belonging to Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and some others were stolen openly, without any invented fig leaves. Syrian oil is also being stolen openly by the US for years now.

    So, only illusions would make otherwise sane people believe that West has any rule of law or respects property rights. The people running the West have the morality of highway robbers and no scruples. I hope Putin learned this lesson now.

    • Replies: @A123
  244. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s a Afro-American Welsh pun.

    The Dindus.

    Anyway the Cheka was founded by a Polish aristocrat who happened to be married to a Jewess. Cheka>NKVD >KGB>FSB

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  245. @Wokechoke

    The last Czar was a German married to a Dane who communicated in English.

    He was half Danish. His maternal grandparents were King Christian and Queen Louise of Denmark.

    The Red Army was created by a Ukrainian Jew called Trotsky and the Cheka created by a Polish aristocrat Dzershinski.

    His name was Lev Bronstein. Lev is “lion” in Russian. Corresponding to a common Hebrew name Aryeh it was a popular name among Jews.

    Kruschev was probably a Ukie and he was certainly married to one if he was an ethnic Russian after all.

    He was a Ukrainian nationalist. He was often wearing the national Ukrainian shirt and spoke with an accent.

    Brezhnev’s origins are Ukrainian.

    He was born in Ukraine to a Jewish father and a Russian mother. He opened an elite Jewish school in Moscow and allowed the Jews to repatriate.

    Lenin was a Russian ethnic.

    He was a quarter Jew, a quarter Kalmyk, a quarter German and a quarter Russian who hated the Russian people.

    Gorbachev was half Ukrainian apparently.

    Correct – his mother was Ukrainian and father was Russian. His wife was the same, half Russian and half Ukrainian.

    Kerensky was also Russian.

    Half Russian. His mother was Jewish. He was a member of a Freemasonic lodge, which derived from the Grand Orient of France.

    The Grand Orient of France is an atheistic lodge. Some consider it Satanic.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Wokechoke
  246. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    Syrian oil is also being stolen openly by the US for years now.

    How do obvious lies like this gain traction with even the most hysterical conspiracy theorists?

    Crude oil to cash requires a refinery. Where has it been going:
        • Israel? — Absurd
        • Jordan? — Absurd
        • Kurdistan (Iraq)? — Politically inflammatory & implausible

    Have the Syrian fields continued to support civilian “pot still” operations for exclusively local consumption? Probably. However, that is good governance, not theft.
    ___

    Iran is devastating Syria. Drug smuggling is fueling Khamenei’s threat to Syrian sovereignty: (1)

    Iran-backed Hezbollah, besides receiving generous funding from Tehran, has long relied on revenue from international drug trade and money-laundering for financing terrorism. The Shia-Islamic terror group has cultivated ties with Latin American cartels, smuggling drugs into Europe and the Middle East. The terrorist group, which used to get close to a billion dollars annually

    Even more vile, Sociopath Khamenei’s thugs are pillaging Syria’s cultural legacy: (2)

    The excavation and trafficking in antiquities and smuggling of them outside Syria have become an important source for securing the necessary funding, in light of the increase in the number of units of these militias, as shown in the latest report by the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).

    “These militias are highly dependent on smuggling antiquities as one of their sources of funding, yet trafficking contraband, such as narcotics, is actually their major funding source,” SOHR director Rami Abdul Rahman told Majalla in a phone interview.

    Pro-Iranian militias did not spare many of the antiquities from important Syrian archaeological sites that survived the excavations carried out by ISIS years ago, particularly those scattered in Deir Ezzor. They looted objects from ancient heritage sites in Syria and sold them, considering this trade a significant source of financing for their elements,” he added.

    Iran is literally damaging Syria in ways that can never be fixed.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/12/iran-backed-hezbollah-and-syria-likely-behind-billion-dollar-drugs-bust-italian-police-say/

    (2) https://eng.majalla.com/node/192486/politicsantiquities-smuggling-new-source-funding-syrian-militias

  247. Wokechoke says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    This is why the medieval aristocrats had to keep genealogies

  248. songbird says:
    @A123

    I’ve been to Martha’s Vineyard, but don’t know it intimately.

    Still, to look at it critically: coastal waters of New England are quite cold this time of year. I suspect that the really rich people are already long gone for the season, leaving mostly the locals, who struggle with inflated real estate values, etc.

    Should have done it in July or August.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  249. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian Military

    Re: https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/no-fly-zonehtml & https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/wunderwaffe-du-jourhtml

    Comparatively speaking, the Kiev regime and its Western backers are in overdrive with Russia believed to be militarily engaged at around 10% capability. Unlike Russia, the Kiev regime has a full draft, ages 16-60, which now seeks women taking increased combat tasks.

    Kiev regime forces recently got walloped in their offensive on Kherson. Shortly thereafter, they took over lightly guarded territory. In Russia, there’s a call to end the conflict by upping the ante, which they could probably do a lot easier than their NATO armed opponent. Contrary to what the Kiev regime and US government suggest, the Ukrainian armed forces have taken a significantly greater number of military casualties than Russia and the Donbass rebels.

    With the upcoming winter and challenging energy concerns, the Kiev regime and its Western backers have felt a need to militarily achieve something beforehand, to show that the economic boomerang hardship caused by trying to punish Russia is somehow worthwhile.

    Among other Western mass media venues, the David Muir hosted ABC News Russia-Ukraine coverage has been overly partisan and hysterically inaccurate.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  250. songbird says:

    Does the new Little Mermaid have red-colored dreadlocks under water? That’s pretty funny.

    But still not as funny as the LotR stuff.

  251. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    I suspect that the really rich people are already long gone for the season, leaving mostly the locals, who struggle with inflated real estate values, etc.

    Should have done it in July or August

    It is all about November. Forcing “Sanctuary Cities” to walk the walk is pure gold. Voters, regardless of IQ, intuitively grasp and despise hypocrisy.

    PEACE 😇

     

  252. Wokechoke says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    The Cheka was a Polish aristocrat married to a jewess! Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  253. @AnonfromTN

    In the PRC even people who don’t like Russia, and there are many, admire Russian culture.

    Chinese culture exist in an endogamous sphere. Russian sinology had once been prolific, for example I think study of Manchu/Mongolian languages had once been. Apparently Vasily Chuikov was fluent in Chinese.

    Nowadays the average Russian seem to know less about China than the average American– they are obviously just trying to be polite in front of a Chinese person and not mention the eating dogs and cats thing,

    On the other hand, quite frequently a Japanese will know more about Chinese culture than Chinese themselves.

  254. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Nowadays the average Russian know less about China than the average American

    Knowing less than an average American is hard, you have to be a brick or a piece of wood. My education was in the USSR. So, I know something about Chinese history (sometimes surprising Chinese by knowing their main dynasties and approximate times they ruled), but woefully little about Chinese literature. I had many Chinese post-docs, as well as graduate and undergraduate students in the lab, but I found that they are not a good source of info in this regard. We have a floor lamp with Chinese hieroglyphs. At one of our lab parties at my house two Chinese post-docs spent more than ten minutes trying to figure out what they mean and eventually figured that it is one of classical (first or second century BC) Chinese poems that they studied in school.

  255. AP says:
    @sudden death

    Of course the Sovok repeated a lie by posting a picture of gypsy children killed by their mother and claiming it was a crime by Ukrainians. Anything he posts is suspect, given his pervasive pattern of dishonesty.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  256. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    They mention eating octopus.

    Octopus might be as intelligent as we are which is no way for dogs. Have you read Jorjani’s book about UFOs where he speculates the octopuses are time travelers from earth future? It definitely is in the top ten of his whacked out speculations but it is not the top!

    H. P. Lovecraft knew all of this from in a dream a hundred years ago.

    • Replies: @S
  257. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    slave plantation vibe in Brazil

    Yes it’s like Brazil has not completely still converted from feudalism, while in postsoviet countries there is regression to a comical feudal-capitalism, and USA is continues fully in the stereotypes of bourgeois, but only EU is really going to a one-world government Marx/Engels predicted.

    People in Brazil commonly talk about their black mother. Wealthy Brazilians can have two mothers. They have “white” (Portuguese) mother and black mother. Black mother, is the servant in the family, who looks after wealthy children and which children call their second mother.

    In comparison to the North Americans (not to say anyone in our eccentric forum is representative samples, but Jack D, AP etc are maybe the quite good stereotype example for reflecting the attitudes of the bourgeois society their family from Ukraine assimilated to, trying to become more Catholic than the Pope), seem to view often groups lower than their position with a kind of hatred. But compared to the North Americans, the Brazilians seem like antiracists who view their black employees as the beloved family member.

    This race relation in Brazil has this aspect of feudalism with the subtle mix of love and hate between masters and slaves, while in North American bourgeois thought, it is sufficient to view the class relation with the simplified and deromantic relation of winners vs losers.

    This is why some sort of Singapore outcome might be the most positive option, to avoid the other possibilities, things like descending into communal or ethnic subjectivism, as I wrote about in the last thread.

    EU is perhaps following the view of Marx/Engels for the development of capitalism.

    In the Communist Manifesto (1848), Marx and Engels write, perhaps still not describing 21st century Brazil.

    “In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations. The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones. Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps.”

    “The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal,idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn as under the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked selfinterest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom – Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation. ”

    “The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes.”

    “The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image. ”

    “The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life. Just as it has made the country dependent on the towns, so it has made barbarian and semi-barbarian countries dependent on the civilised ones, nations of peasants on nations of bourgeois, the East on the West.

    “The bourgeoisie keeps more and more doing away with the scattered state of the population, of the means of production, and of property. It has agglomerated population, centralised the means of production, and has concentrated property in a few hands. The necessary consequence of this was political centralisation. Independent, or but loosely connected provinces, with separate interests, laws, governments, and systems of taxation, became lumped together into one nation, with one government, one code of laws, one national class-interest, one frontier, and one customs-tariff.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  258. Dmitry says:
    @Wokechoke

    Dzerzhinsky doesn’t invent the secret police in the region. As early as the 16th century, there were already such kind of people (then “oprichniki”). And the modern versions are still a bit scary in every postsoviet state (maybe not the Baltics) in the 21st century.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  259. Dmitry says:
    @Gerard1234

    Welsh is British

    Wales is a different nation to English, which was colonized by English armies in medieval times. They are the first people who were colonized by England, who would later colonized hundreds of other peoples, beginning with Scottish, Irish and then later extrapolating to Indians, Arabs, Africans, Chinese. Wales are OGs in being colonized by the English military.

    Today, the first son of the Queen is the Prince of Wales, as Wales is their first conquered country.

    It is interesting, that it is viewed as very romantic country, famous for their ancient language, dragon flag and beautiful women. Perhaps there are many reasons they are benefiting unlike rebellious Ireland, like they didn’t damage their image too bad by flooding South Boston with Malthusian refugees.

    Scotland is less simple, as the people of Scotland have been many centuries being colonized and massacred by English armies. But the current relation with Scotland and England is a mutual marriage, after the 17th century.

  260. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    My attitude is not universal but limited to Soviet defenders of the Soviet system, like you and that guy. Non-Soviets are superior to your kind. Look what your kind did to your countries in the 1990s. Awful.

    Not nearly as awful as what your sickening kind have been doing to yours,

    Since the Russian and Ukrainian 90s were your natural habitat and expression of your morality, Sovok, you of course did not find them to be as bad as America.

    Here is Philip Kirkorov, beloved by Putin, who bestowed upon him not only the honor of People’s Artist of Russia but also the Order of Honor:

    Putin greeted him on his birthday. The kremlin’s site can’t be accessed but a
    preview appears on google:

    Here is Kirkorov in Moscow recently:

    Such as your pretentious belief in your inherent nobility, whereas you are a descendant of immigrants who were nobodies

    My grandparents were very successful in this country, despite starting from nothing because they lost everything prior to their arrival. It’s genetic. No pretense. Pretense is when a Sovok like you thinks he is better than a peasant. That is also arrogance. You are a primitive person who projects his own problems onto others.

    [MORE]

    “I used your own words to show that he was a police officer at the end of the Red Terror. You claimed you didn’t say that. Your words: “That was during the NEP.”

    A perfect example of pathological thinking. I said during the NEP, but in your head it turned into the Red Terror!

    A perfect example of your lie. As a Sovok, you can’t help yourself but to lie in various ways. In this case, you lied by omission.

    The full quote was:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5418888

    “my great grandmother… married the man, who was, as an officer, sent to arrest her father on suspicion of him hiding a part of his profit, in order to avoid taxation. That was during the NEP.”

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5421080

    “Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.”

    That was later. We are talking about 1922 here.”

    1922 was the last year of the Red Terror.

    The Red Terror was a legislative act that was cancelled in 1918. You are citing an opinion of a man with no face who is not known to no one to refute an actual historical fact?

    I also cited wikipedia which is a good indicator of conventional understanding. It also provided 1922 as the last year of the Red Terror.

    But in any case from 1921 there was no war and no terror

    Last year of Red Terror was 1922.

    “What kind of person chooses to join the blood-soaked Bolshevik state in the role of arresting farmers during the time of the Red Terror?”

    I have no idea.

    But I guess not the kind that chooses to join the genocidal state of the Nazis

    None of my ancestors did that.

    But you are descended from a monster who chose to the join the Bolshevik state in the role of arresting people, at end of the period of Red Terror.

    That would be about equivalent to someone choosing to become a police officer in the Nazi regime.

    It’s why you admit that you don’t care if Ukrainians don’t have food or medicine. It’s genetic.

    And you were caught posting pictures and misattributing them, yet another example of your dishonesty. I don’t know if that its the case with your latest ones, but it’s possible.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  261. AP says:
    @Beckow

    The line-up on the two sides is quite clear: virtual wealth of the West against material resources (Russia-China…). In wars material resources matter more.

    The West (USA +EU + UK + Canada + Australia + SK + Japan) have more material resources than China + Russia. And they also manufacture more. China has eclipsed the USA in manufacturing but it is not even close to outmanufacturing the collective West. And Russia may have more natural resources than the USA but less than the USA + Canada. When counting what you call “virtual wealth” the difference is even more stark, but even in terms of basics Russia and China don’t surpass the West.

    Leading countries based on natural resource value:

    Manufacturing:

  262. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have you read Jorjani’s book about UFOs where he speculates the octopuses are time travelers from earth future

    There was a cool 1906 French edition of H G Wells’ War of the Worlds that presented the Martians as octopus like in form.

    I’ve placed a few of the illustrations from it below ‘more’ as they are so large.

    http://monsterbrains.blogspot.com/2015/04/henrique-alvim-correa-war-of-worlds.html?m=1

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  263. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    They are the first people who were colonized by England, who would later colonized hundreds of other peoples, beginning with Scottish, Irish and then later extrapolating to Indians, Arabs, Africans, Chinese.

    Scotland being colonised by the English is a bit doubtful, it seems as much the other way around, and the English plus the Scottish colonised Indians and Africans, with the Scots often taking a prominent role in the military and entrepreneurial side, and Irish providing a decent proportion of the foot soldiers (e.g. when Ireland made up around 1/3 of the United Kingdom population, 1/3 of the army was Irish. A higher proportion of the East India Company’s rank and file European troops were Irish, because Ireland was poorer and easier to find volunteers there).

    Niall Ferguson wrote a popular level book about the British Empire in the early 2000s (called ‘Empire’), there was a discussion of some of the leading Scottish imperial personalities in that.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Wokechoke
    , @Dmitry
  264. LondonBob says:
    @Coconuts

    Wales was never colonised anyway, nor Scotland. The Tudors were Welsh, the Stuarts Scottish, really people shouldn’t get their history from Hollywood.

    • Replies: @216
  265. LondonBob says:

    Interesting seeing the Indian economy growing with the rupee strengthening against the GBP and EUR. Clearest example that joining sanctions, or not, has consequences.

    Dire update by Fedex, says “Macroeconomic trends significantly worsened”.

  266. LondonBob says:

    Wagner talking to prisoners, works for the French Foreign Legion, however the reality is more often McNamara’s morons. The US Army fell apart, committing many atrocities, after they lowered standards recruiting those with lower IQs and giving the option for those convicted of crimes to avoid jail by going to Vietnam.

  267. @Dmitry

    I looked up the most expensive RV commercially available like you could now get to go camping at the Burning Man festival. Apparently nobody has worked up the gumption for an 18 wheeler rig quite yet.

    https://www.foretravel.com/model/presidential

    You can get one of these made for a little over a million.

  268. @Beckow

    The West either needs to win the war to enforce access to the cheap material resources or it needs to find new resources.

    Needs don’t equal wants Different verbs. The problem is the perversion of the human organism for artificial wants like power and money. Wants for food and drink and sex can be physically satiated. Nobody can drink a billion bottles of champagne.

    Power and money wants can never be satiated for schmucks like Bill Gates. People like that should be removed to an island prison plantation permanently or maybe shot. The British finally did the right thing with Napoleon but it took them two tries to get it right.

  269. @S

    Depiction of aliens in the Soviet and in the American movies.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @S
  270. Wokechoke says:
    @Dmitry

    He created the Cheka and therefore the NKVD and by extension the KGB…yes I do understand the Czar has his own secret police. The point is the dreaded era of the USSR was about as Russian as Iron Felix, Trotsky and Stalin were Russian.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  271. Wokechoke says:
    @Coconuts

    Agreed about that. The Empire proper started with the loose union that came about when James came down from Edinburgh to London with his Danish wife. A Scottish colony.

  272. @AP

    Of course the Sovok repeated a lie by posting a picture of gypsy children killed by their mother and claiming it was a crime by Ukrainians. Anything he posts is suspect, given his pervasive pattern of dishonesty.

    Knowing that a genetic trash such as AP – a half Ukrainian peasant and half Polish landlord, whose great-grandparents owned Ukrainian peasants, and grandparents were related to murderers of Polish children – I did not not respond to that comment, expecting him to accuse me of telling lies, which he could not refrain from, being a retarded son of a bitch.

    Eat this, dumbass half-Polish anthropoid!

    • Replies: @AP
  273. Wokechoke says:
    @Dmitry

    The Tudor’s were Welsh.

    It’s better to think of Britain in this way, there’s a power base in London and in the Thames Valley. There’s also a Powerbase in the Severn Valley and that includes Bristol Cardiff Gloucester historically speaking. One can argue that York and Chester were power centers. Anyway, the Welsh were colonized by freelance French speaking Norman Marcher Lords.

    By the time you get to ww1 you have a Welsh PM called David Lloyd George. Various Pirates and soldiers. One oddity was Curley Humphries the actual Kingpin of the Chicago Mob.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  274. @Here Be Dragon

    In Bardashuk’s War and Peace movie all of the good guys (except the czar who really did have blonde hair before he went bald) are brunettes and all of the bad guys except Napoleon have blonde hair. (Helene, Anatole, and Dolohov.)

    The prototype scary alien is derived from a Swiss artist, Giger. Fascinating fellow but I don’t think you would ever invite him into your house.

    • Replies: @S
  275. German_reader says:
    @sudden death

    There’s a book by Heike Knortz Diplomatische Tauschgeschäfte which argues that foreign policy considerations (including pressure by the US) were much more important than purely economic considerations for the 1961 “guest worker” agreement with Turkey. Here’s a synopsis from a right-wing Austrian website:
    https://www.unzensuriert.at/content/002553-t-rkische-gastarbeiter-kamen-auf-druck-der-usa/

    Nachdem Griechenland 1960 ein entsprechendes Abkommen abgeschlossen hatte, wollte auch die Türkei in den Genuss dieser Vorteile kommen. Arbeitsminister Theodor Bland reagierte zunächst ablehnend auf das Ansinnen. Die sozialen und kulturellen Unterschiede seien zu groß, der deutsche Arbeitsmarkt noch nicht ausgeschöpft. Daraufhin machten die USA Druck, um dem wichtigen Verbündeten Türkei zu helfen. Das Auswärtige Amt, das sich bereits bei den vorhergehenden Abkommen wesentlich williger gezeigt hatte, führte darauf die Verhandlungen zu einem positiven Abschluss.

    Basically it’s claimed here that the Turkish “guest workers” were neither needed nor wanted, but the US exerted diplomatic pressure, which was a factor in the agreement being concluded.
    Now of course that Austrian website may present a tendentious interpretation of Knortz’s book, and in any case that book got some negative reviews (supposedly over-stated its case…I haven’t read it myself, so I can’t judge the matter). What seems to be quite widely accepted however is that the initiative for the agreement came from Turkey (which was interested in remittances and reducing domestic social tensions) and that foreign policy considerations linked to West Germany’s position in the NATO alliance were important for eventual German acceptance of that request. I can’t tell how much of a role direct US interference played, would have to read Knortz’s book/look at relevant documents.

    • Thanks: sudden death
    • Replies: @Beckow
  276. S says:

    A neat fan made video of a tribute to Zager and Evans 1969 single In the Year 2525. I’d initially thought a lot of the visual imagery within was maybe from a remake of H G Well’s Time Machine, but, they are actually from a 2014 movie called Lucy.

    [MORE]

    Some additional renditions:

    Original Zager and Evan 1969 audio combined with Fritz Lang’s 1927 film Metropolis

    Zager and Evans themselves performing their single in 1969…

  277. @Wokechoke

    The Cheka was a Polish aristocrat.

    No wonder. He was a Catholic. As a Catholic he had it in his genes.

    Torture, murder, genocide – the true Holy Trinity of the Church.

  278. German_reader says:
    @AP

    EU will have greater willingness to provide aid

    Forget it. If things continue on their present trajectory, there’s a good chance the core EU will enter economic meltdown next winter, possibly even break apart as a political entity (though I suspect at first the Brussels bureaucracy will try their usual “more integration” routine…but who will care if there’s no more money to pass around?). When there’s mass unemployment and de-industrialization in Germany, with all its attendant consequences for the rest of the EU, Ukraine will be very low down the list for aid, and given how Ukraine agitated even for a general embargo on Russian gas last spring and how its partisans ridiculed any economic concerns, it can hardly be considered ill-deserved.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  279. @German_reader

    given how Ukraine agitated even for a general embargo on Russian gas last spring and how its partisans ridiculed any economic concerns, it can hardly be considered ill-deserved.

    EU policies are stupid (to put it mildly) not because Ukrainian puppets are stupid (which is certainly true), but because EU leadership is stupid. You only follow the lead of a fool when you are a fool (or when you have the same puppeteer as the fool, which amounts to the same thing).

    • Replies: @Beckow
  280. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Turkey was interested in remittances and reducing domestic social tensions

    That was a big part of it – to stabilize Turkey and offer an alternative. Whether Germany needed the gastarbeiters is not binary: the work would still be done but with more expensive workers. Gastarbeiters lowered German wages, but with fast growth people did well. It was the usual Faustian bargain that worked for a generation before the consequences hit. US also likes to export its own past mistakes and problems to its vassals, like an uglier sister hiding the make-up kit.

    The key distinction between elites vs. normal people is that elites are obsessed with their own long-term personal wealth but don’t care what happens in their countries. Normal people are usually the opposite: less driven by personal well-being, but they care about their nation, about where they live.

    Our modern elites don’t care about long-term and will instead do endless Faustian bargains to optimize their own lives. That is true in Germany, US, Ukraine, Russia, etc… It is an unavoidable consequence of a mass democracy in a financial system: everything is for sale, people are bought and they sell us in turn. The very system is a glaring oxymoron.

    In a computer simulation the system is working exactly as expected. Nothing is broken and thus nothing can be fixed. This is how it inevitably works, until it ends. It usually ends when resources run out or in a big war.

  281. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    expecting him to accuse me of telling lies…Eat this, dumbass half-Polish anthropoid!

    I do not have to accuse you. I just show how you lie.

    And thank you for repeating your lie. As a Sovok you can’t help but lie. You lie by omission, you lie by commission, you lie by presenting obsolete data as current data, and now you lied twice by repeating a falsely misattributed picture twice.

    The sad picture was of gypsy children killed by their mother in the 1920s. A Polish communist-era academic falsely clamed it was a picture of Polish victims of UPA.

    You repeated this falsehood twice.

    The full story (thanks, Sudden Death):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianna_Doli%C5%84ska

    Unable to receive help from the local Romani and Polish communities, the 32-year-old woman wandered with her children in the freezing swamps between the villages of Antoniówka, Dąbrowa Kozłowska and Siczki.[2] Dolińska, who was mentally ill, decided that the only way to protect her children from starvation was to end their lives. On 11 December 1923 at around 8 p.m. she killed Zofia (6 months), Antoni (3 years), Bronisława (5 years) and Stefan (7 years) and tied them to a tree.[2] The next day she went to the police station in Radom and confessed to the crime. Dolińska was placed under arrest following an on-site investigation. A police photographer took several photographs of the hanged children.[2]

    A photograph of the murdered children accompanied a 1928 article by Polish psychiatrist Witold Łuniewski. It later came to be informally known as the “wreath of children”

    While the photographs of the children have been repeatedly used to falsely illustrate crimes committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in 1943,[5] the earliest known publication of one of the photographs with a false claim of origin was on the front page of the Nazi propaganda newspaper Nowy Kurier Warszawski on 2 July 1941 where it was accompanied by the headline “This is how the Bolsheviks fight!” The broadsheet claimed that the dead children were murdered by the Soviets in a village near Vawkavysk in 1919

    Similar details here:

    https://www.pismowidok.org/en/archive/2019/24-de-formations/wreaths-and-creases-the-case-of-marianna-dolinska

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  282. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    ….You only follow the lead of a fool when you are a fool

    I see it differently: all players are now locked into their roles and simply do what they must. It is an all-out war and we are still in early stages. The only constraints are physical, all sides will escalate to the physical limits.

    Wars are always fought by fools. We can rank the foolishness by the enthusiasm people show and so far Ukies, Poles and Balts are leading in the biggest fool race – exactly as one would expect. Once the worst fools are gone, wars gradually end and people sober up. Let’s hope that happens before they reach for the nukes.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  283. S says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Thanks. That is interesting. It just shows you can get across the idea someone is an extra-terrestrial subtly without being grotesque about it. A slight change in clothing style, or hair, or, effect in mannerisms as an actor can be enough. A lot of the old 1960’s Star Treks were more that way.

    The really old, but incredibly well preserved/restored, A Trip to Mars, filmed in Denmark in 1917 does it that way, too. You get to meet the Martians at about the 35 minute mark. Lo, and behold, they don’t look too different from Earthlings! But, that’s okay. 🙂

    The spaceship and crew, the Excelsior, at about 20 minutes are clearly modeled upon the Zeppelins from that day. Apparently, the great airships were perceived in Europe during that time as almost being ‘alien’ in their technology, which is understandeable, as they were so different from the other aviation around then.

  284. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The prototype scary alien is derived from a Swiss artist, Giger. Fascinating fellow but I don’t think you would ever invite him into your house.

    Yes, checking up on him just now, I see what you mean. A talented, but also rather disturbing seeming individual.

  285. @Beckow

    I see it differently: all players are now locked into their roles and simply do what they must.

    Of course, the imperial puppeteers want the EU to be locked on this suicidal path. They are trying to kill two birds with one stone: inflict damage on Russia and eliminate European competitors at the same time. One can question the wisdom of crushing you most loyal vassals, but that’s clearly the imperial strategy.

    However, the EU countries are locked only as long as they allow themselves to be locked. Virtually all of them have more economic and military power than puny Nicaragua or Solomon Islands, so they toe the imperial line by choice, not out of helplessness. When the consequences of this choice hit, they’d have only themselves to blame.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  286. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    Yes it’s like Brazil has not completely still converted from feudalism, while in postsoviet countries there is regression to a comical feudal-capitalism, and USA is continues fully in the stereotypes of bourgeois, but only EU is really going to a one-world government Marx/Engels predicted.

    The European countries seem to have gone down the social democratic route much more than the Americans, at the same time as expanding their middle classes, so that they replaced the peasants and the working class as the most numerous ‘main body’ of European societies. I guess this would be the big story of the late 20th C.

    You can maybe see where the problems are likely to be in the future, as this bulky middle starts to fragment again, and parts of it become nostalgic about the values and ways of being of the classes of the past, which they can still remember. This results in unusual coalitions of opponents to the mainstream bourgeois norms. These trends always seem more prominent in France, like Zemmour’s movement which appealed to traditional working class ex- Communist voters and right-wing Gaullists (and others even further right) at the same time.

    People in Brazil commonly talk about their black mother. Wealthy Brazilians can have two mothers. They have “white” (Portuguese) mother and black mother. Black mother, is the servant in the family, who looks after wealthy children and which children call their second mother.

    I think I remember reading about this in a 1930s sociology book, Gilberto Freyre’s famous Casa Grande e Senzala, there was a chapter which included topics like the black mama wet nurses.

    [MORE]

    These sorts of feudal attitudes were still recognisable in Portugal, though they were being mitigated by EU membership. One of my landladies had a servant problem she used to tell me about, she had had the same personal maid since she was 16, for over 50 years, when she brought her from the countryside. This maid had died, and my landlady couldn’t find a dependable replacement. Her husband had been an engineer, so she was middle class but not really wealthy.

    You would also find mass market history books from the 80s which still came close to presenting defences of slavery in Brazil.

    Gilberto Freyre wrote another book called ‘Order and Progress’ about Brazil under the early Republic, there was a wave of Anglo or French style liberals and positivists in the Lusophone world in the 19th and early 20th centuries, but they seemed in some ways futile and/or tragicomic in perspective. Later I found traditional Catholic political theory (Aristotle, Aquinas, Bonaventure etc.) more informative about how these societies were actually working, rather than trying to see it in terms of 19th C. liberalism.

    It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation.

    A classic quote, the romantic spirit in Marx and Engels.

  287. Matra says:

    Some interesting accents in the videos from Ukraine in this thread.

    On Gastarbeiter, it’s interesting to me that West Germany had a voluntary repatriation programme for Turks and others as recently as the 80s – 1983, I think. They were paid to go home with strings attached. The government decided not to renew the programme for a second year. This is according to Ian Derbyshire in a book (Politics in West Germany: From Schmidt to Kohl) I have from the late 1980s.

  288. Matra says:
    @Matra

    I say it is interesting because I suspect if the government even talked about something similar today they would be drowned in Nazi accusations. The further away we get from WW2 the more potent the Nazi accusation seems to get. It is the same in the US with regards to Jim Crow and racism accusations.

  289. German_reader says:
    @Matra

    Yes, Kohl’s government tried something of the sort, but it wasn’t successful, in fact the number of Turks (or rather people from Turkey, many Kurds etc.) grew massively during his chancellorship because of family reunification and the asylum system (can’t be bothered to look up numbers now, but in the range from hundreds of thousands to millions). 1980s was also the time when the right to asylum first became a gateway for non-European immigration (before it had been mostly claimed by a limited number of Eastern Bloc emigrants).
    Here’s a SPIEGEL story from 1982 (“The rich will build walls of death”):
    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/die-reichen-werden-todeszaeune-ziehen-a-628d4249-0002-0001-0000-000014344559
    It’s about a book by a Social Democrat (!) who called for limiting right of asylum to Europeans because of the explosive demographic growth of the non-European world, explicitly arguing that it was necessary in order to preserve Germany as a homeland for ethnic Germans (today you’d be put under surveillance by our glorious inland security service for making that kind of argument). Everything that has happened since then was predictable and avoidable, if the anti-national Left hadn’t done its utmost to establish an open borders regime.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  290. @German_reader

    Immigration enforcement is hard. It requires a degree of callousness and brutality towards otherwise sympathetic individuals, that European societies do not show in any part of life.

    Immigration restrictionists consistently ignore this problem, which is why I bang on about it. The actual acts required for immigration restriction are extremely unpopular, and only become more so, the more they are done.

    I don’t have any easy solutions, except that ignoring this does not help. Instead, it creates a very superficial support for restriction that immediately melts upon contact, especially among high information demographics, as they see the consequences first.

    This eaves only two ways forward. Either persuade the elite to hide the cruelties of immigration restriction from the public, and hope by being “elite” that they can be colder and less kind, which is increasingly hard, or persuade the public to steel themselves for playing the bad guys.

    Too many people think that because they can make a good case in a book, everyone must be brainwashed if they don’t agree, but the books never focus on how you’ll have to see some refugee children, face down, floating in the sea, or kids in cages, if you want these policies enacted.

    And of course I understand that were immigration never allowed on a big scale, it would be easier to stop now. But all we can say is – what a huge mistake it was.

    And I also get that fewer people would die in human trafficking if we stopped immigration, but only if we did so cleanly and decisively, and, meanwhile, that argument, which plays out under humanitarian concerns, is defeated by the proposal that we could just enable it all.

    Basically, people need to be able to say “we don’t want immigration because it makes us feel less comfortable and secure in our societies and we are happy to push our smaller interests over the life or death interests of others.”

    But that would require a level of moral maturity, or even amoralism, that almost no one possesses. Even restrictionists don’t. They generally have to descend into fantasies of “white genocide,” or some other nonsense, to justify themselves.

    The truth is that there won’t be collapse. There won’t be intercommunal massacres. Praying for some ex machina event, like peak oil, or whatever, to do that for you, is just deep nihilism leaking out.

    Instead, life will continue to improve materially in small ways, and inconveniences, or even moderate difficulties will come, and white Europeans will become non-hated minorities before blending away.

    That is, unless those who prefer this not to happen can find a way to understand reality as it is and make reasonable steps to further their interests. The left-wing party in Denmark seems to have done that. The Front National in France is getting there. Poland etc. seem to basically get it, but are helped by still having worse economies than the West and they must plan for if this stops being the case in the future.

    Or we can talk about birth rates, but women are not going back to exclusion from the public sphere, nor are gays going back into the closet. There is no reasonable nor imaginable way for either of these two to gain substantial support even in theory from white people, nevermind support with consideration of the cruel actions required, included. This means we need to look at child care policies in places like Sweden and France, and see how they have boosted fertility. Basic humdrum stuff that improves people’s lives and offers incremental progress

    But most nationalists prefer to imagine watching the world burn, so instead we get insane conspiracy theories, masturbation over Putin, and constantly over-excited predictions of chaos.

    And is there any greater enemy to securing support for the sensible stuff, than having a bunch of raving maniacs ranting about the latter stuff?

  291. Wokechoke says:

    This is a photograph from the new Atrocity site.

    One or two questions. There are clearly marked graves here, the crosses and the individual holes. It’s not a place the Russians were hiding. If these bodies are Ukrainians at all I am amazed the Russians have given them the last rites. Also, this is in the combat area west of or around Izium. A heavily contested area that two armies contested for months from what I understand.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @LatW
  292. German_reader says:
    @Matra

    Some interesting accents in the videos from Ukraine in this thread.

    One has to imagine the reaction if the roles were reversed. Doing that kind of thing to Serbs is one matter, doing it right up at the Russian border might be the point when American hubris has finally gone too far (and if not, it’s bound to come sooner or later).

  293. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Ukies will have no trouble ejecting approx 6 million or so ethnic Russians from their borders. No complaints from their EU or US protectors.

  294. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    but women are not going back to exclusion from the public sphere

    Too bad, your comments on this blog are such a good argument for this to become mandatory policy. Or maybe even something more extreme, maybe Sher Singh has some good ideas.

    • LOL: Matra
    • Replies: @sher singh
  295. china-russia-all-the-way says:

    Since the Kaliningrad blockade by Lithuania in July, African migrants have appeared at the border of Lithuania-Belarus. The Africans hold valid Russian visas.

    Lithuania adopted a law in August 2021 allowing for pushback of migrants back into Belarus. I don’t think Lithaunia can do that for too much longer because MSF is taking up the cause of the African migrants and illegal pushbacks (according to EU law).

    “For 30 days, we didn’t settle in one place. We went back and forth around 10 times between Belarus and Lithuania during that time,” says Cassandra*, a mother who was pushed back and forth by authorities between both countries over 30 days.

    “The guards kept moving us in and out, in and out, and back and forth,” she says. “Once we were captured, we were given some tinned food which was expired and dry. I couldn’t even eat that, as I kept it for my children.”

    “Then they would put us back in cars and take us back to the border,” continues Cassandra. “It was a cat and mouse situation. I was traumatised and I just wished to go anywhere there was shelter so it would put an end to our suffering.”

    https://www.msf.org/repeated-pushbacks-cause-mental-and-physical-suffering-people-crossing-lithuanian-border

    Lithuania will likely have to back down and accept the migrants because international NGOs like MSF hold the power. The Lithuanian government really messed up. Pissing off Russia, Belarus, China. The inflation rate was 21.1% in August. It’s going to be a volatile country filled with African and Muslim migrants.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  296. @Wokechoke

    One or two questions.

    When I was a student, we had a saying “do not seek truth where there is none”

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  297. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    The “puppeteers” are also locked in. There is no way back, this will be fought to the bitter end, one side will lose catastrophically. The Kiev loses regardless.

    The West is trying to fight on the cheap remotely in Russia’s region using Ukies as cannon fodder. That never works. The cannon fodder eventually runs out and the region will still be at Russia’s doorsteps. Short of a Russian revolution that can’t be changed.

    The puppeteers screwed up when Russia called their bluff. Now they play for time, maybe even consider the Samson option. But the physical geography of the war cannot be changed, it is only a question of how badly it ends and when. Or a miracle – as we see here, the Ukie contingent is either lying to themselves (Laxa) or openly hoping for a miracle (wunderwaffe).

    European countries have had limits on their sovereignty since WWII, but it took 2-3 generations to fully control them. Today the amount of interlocking controls from money, institutions, media, surveillance, education etc… is so overwhelming that no European country can meaningfully resist. We are in the imperial sweet spot – long enough for a new native Euro elite to be created and be freshly enthusiastic, but too early for the destructive consequences to trigger a collapse. It will not end well.

  298. Wokechoke says:
    @AnonfromTN

    This forest might well have been the most satellite surveyed and bombed patch of forest on earth for the better part of 6 months of combat.

  299. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Immigration enforcement is hard. It requires a degree of callousness and brutality towards otherwise sympathetic individuals, that European societies do not show in any part of life.

    Immigration restrictionists consistently ignore this problem, which is why I bang on about it. The actual acts required for immigration restriction are extremely unpopular, and only become more so, the more they are done.

    Actually there is nothing callous about it. Concepts like Stay in Africa make it quite humane:

    • MENA Origin refugees have a place to go until the war ends and they can return home. Perhaps true Ukrainian refugees need to have a separate Safe Haven elsewhere.

    • The few actual asylum seekers can have their cases heard and travel to Europe only after the claim to a specific host nation is successful.

    The key is wiping out incentives for illegal entry. No handouts like the German Hartz program. No employment permits. No chain migration of family. No special privileges for 35 year old minors.
    ___

    This Winter will be hard. Too many mouths and too few jobs. When indigenous populations become cold and hungry. The veneer of European “compassion” will snap and collapse, vanishing almost overnight. It has happened in the past, and it will happen again in the future.

    The tragic part is all of the coming pain was unnecessary. Keeping out these who can never assimilate could have been done with a gentle but firm hand. Sending the MENA origin vagrants home (or worse) at this late date is inevitable, necessary, and will be much less pleasant.

    PEACE 😇

  300. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Your fatalistic argument is a classic ‘there is no alternative‘ subterfuge. You admit that ‘mistakes were made‘ – the massive immigration driven by liberals and business interests – but now it is too late. The Europeans can gently go into the night hoping that “white Europeans will become non-hated minorities before blending away“.

    Are you sure about that non-hated? Sweet, but how about holding the ones who made the “mistake” accountable? Or that would be in bad taste, as would be holding the mad bombers to account. Societies that exempt their elites from accountability don’t last long.

    It requires a degree of callousness and brutality towards otherwise sympathetic individuals, that European societies do not show

    Really? May I remind you that the European societies callously and brutally bombed Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya…just in the last 1-2 decades. What planet do you live on?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  301. @Wokechoke

    Murray Llewelyn Humphries, aka Murray the Hump. A crooked accountant who laundered the mob’s money for a cut and later on a say in what happened.

  302. @china-russia-all-the-way

    Thanx for further acknowledging and confirming that Putler is flooding Europe with Africans too despite some tunnelvisioning Western racists hallucinating on the contrary 😉

    Luckily, from pure narrow national interest POV, all those migrants are bolting relatively quickly further West even if they manage to slip through all the current physical and legal barriers.

    btw, Sweden and maybe Italy next turning more on the right may also help withstanding the pressure of all those “refugee helpers” as well in internal EU context.

  303. @songbird

    Grazing sheep or goats works well for keeping grass mowed in solar farm installations, since all the racking and poles make it very labor intensive with machines. The installations are typically fenced in anyhow.

    I have several times marvelled at all the farmgirls who may pose with a kid, but think nothing of slaughtering the animals

    This is somewhat true of all animals. Piglets, calves, chicks, etc are all cute and endearing. When they get older they get more obnoxious, particularly males which make up the bulk of the eating material. My girls have a hard time imagining that we will ever eat the cute little calf, but once he gets to be a somewhat bratty 900 lb. steamroller they are just fine with it.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @A123
    , @songbird
    , @S
  304. A123 says: • Website

    The illegal migrant story in America keeps getting better and better. (1)

    Vámonos! Martha’s Vineyard Begins Deportation of Group of 50 Illegal Aliens

    It looks like maybe the island demographics became just a little too diverse for its residents.

    NBC correspondent Emilie Ikeda posted video footage to Twitter Friday morning that showed a number of the Martha’s Vineyard 50 boarding buses. The buses are headed, first via ferry, to Joint Base Cape Cod, where they will be processed with the help of — get this — the Massachusetts National Guard, activated to help deal with what island officials dubbed Thursday a “humanitarian crisis.”

    Imagine that…. A Sanctuary City using the National Guard to dispose of unwanted migrants. Being Leftoid when at impacts others is easy. Being a Leftoid when there are real costs is much less appealing.

    What do voters think? (2)

    Majority Approve of Texas Moving Illegals to Sanctuary Cities

    Fifty-two percent of likely voters approve of Texas moving illegal aliens to “sanctuary cities.” Only 39 percent disapprove.

    Rasmussen Reports asked 1,000 likely voters the following: “The governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, has been bussing illegal immigrants to New York, Chicago, and Washington D.C. Do you approve or disapprove of this policy?” Thirty-six percent strongly approved, and 16 percent somewhat approved. Only 25 percent strongly disapproved, while 14 percent somewhat disapproved.

    Rasmussen also asked if the respondents agreed or disagreed with a Gov. Abbott (R-TX) spokeswoman who said Democrat New York Mayor Eric Adams should “stop complaining and call on President Biden to take immediate action to secure the border.” A whopping 62 percent agreed, while only 30 percent disagreed

    Sanctuary Cities are a LOSING issue in key border states AZ, TX, and FL.

    The Mariel Boatlift ….hhmmm…. Martha Planelift is probably too expensive to be routine. However buses are inexpensive and plentiful. Blue cities already have financial issues. Making them bear the brunt of Blue DNC illegal migration is both morally and politically virtuous. That combination does not show up every day.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://pjmedia.com/uncategorized/ryanledendecker/2022/09/16/vamonos-marthas-vineyard-begins-deportation-of-group-of-50-illegal-aliens-n1630092

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2022/09/16/nolte-majority-approve-texas-moving-illegals-sanctuary-cities/
    ___________

    Note: This is a picture of a tweet, not an actual link.

     

  305. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    My girls have a hard time imagining that we will ever eat the cute little calf, but once he gets to be a somewhat bratty 900 lb. steamroller they are just fine with it.

    Does your family make a specific effort to name, or prevent naming, of the critters?

    All of my neighbors raising edibles are firm on the “no names for food” and “only pets get names” rules. To me that simply seems like common sense… However…..

    PEACE 😇

  306. @Beckow

    Really? May I remind you that the European societies callously and brutally bombed Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya…just in the last 1-2 decades. What planet do you live on?

    People implicitly understand “when in Rome.” And the vast majority of the deaths were because the locals butchered each other.

    Your fatalistic argument is a classic ‘there is no alternative‘ subterfuge.

    No, I described an alternative, but correctly identified that it was difficult. What? Do you think it is easy?

    Separately:

    @German_Reader: you are completely excluded from the public sphere, in a way which I am not. Your comment is therefore ridículous, just like you.

    • Troll: Matra, 216
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @sher singh
    , @Beckow
  307. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You’ve not made a single original argument. That’s Beckow’s point. German Reader scoffed at the idea that you might be a professionalhallmonitor. Beckow merely proved that you are.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  308. @Wokechoke

    A troll is a troll. What else is new?

  309. S says:

    The formal NATO membership approach having failed for Ukraine, an effective backdoor approach is being tried with the Kiev Security Compact (KSC). It should be understood, of course, that the US/UK desires a nuclear conflict with Russia and China, and is deliberately attempting to provoke such a scenario into being.

    International consulting team led by Andriy Yermak, head of the Office of the President, and Anders Fogh Rasmussen, former NATO Secretary General, meet in Kiev on Tuesday (Sept 13, ’22) to work out security guarantees for Ukraine.

    Ukraine Wants Nato-esque Bloc to Immediately Defend Border With Russia

    A working group set up by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has called for the immediate creation of a new coalition of key partners—including the U.S. and several other NATO allies—to provide legally-binding security guarantees for Kyiv as it tries to eject Russian forces from its occupied territories.

    The Kyiv Security Compact (KSC)—proposed by Andriy Yermak, the head of Zelensky’s office, and former NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen—would also establish a “multi-decade” plan of investment, military training, and intelligence sharing to bolster Ukraine’s defensive capabilities as the country pursues full NATO membership.

    At a Tuesday press conference in Kyiv, Yermak and Rasmussen stressed the KSC is not intended to replace NATO, but rather to establish a legally-binding roadmap for the grouping to respond immediately to Russian aggression.

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-wants-nato-esque-bloc-immediately-defend-border-russia-kyiv-security-compact-andriy-yermak-1742541

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-welcomes-report-international-security-guarantees-rejected-by-moscow-2022-09-14/

    https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/articles/2022/09/13/7146717/#:~:text=On July 1%2C a special group on international,NATO members%2C with Australia as the only exception.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @216
  310. sher singh says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You want want mass immigration because white men won’t rape you, but Afghans will.

    Re: the previous discussion, I’m not sure how patriarchy returns but it always does.
    Either by a revolutionary coup (Taliban) or just general decay/dismal & dangerous conditions (LatAm)

    You guys need to ignore Laxa & the anti-White hate speech this Jewish tranny keeps spewing.

  311. A123 says: • Website

    100% U.S. free, Chancellor Scholz acts for the European WEF agenda: (1)

    Panicked Germany Seizes Russian Energy Company Rosneft, Uses National Trusteeship to Control Oil Refinery – The Current Economic Outlook of Europe, Full State Control of Critical Energy Production

    Heck, I’m old enough to remember when everyone decried China’s authoritarian economic model for doing the exact same thing as Germany (a few months ago). But, well, we must pretend not to notice these things comrades….

    (Reuters) – BERLIN, Sept 16 (Reuters) – Germany took control of a major Russian-owned oil refinery on Friday, risking retaliation from Moscow as Berlin strives to shore up energy supplies and meet its European Union commitment to eliminate Russian oil imports by the end of the year.

    The economy ministry said it was putting a unit of Russian oil firm Rosneft (ROSN.MM) under the trusteeship of the industry regulator and taking over the business’ Schwedt refinery, which supplies 90% of Berlin’s fuel

    Who knew economic security was national security?

    When will the people of Germany throw off their SJW Islamic masters from Davos?

    When will they rejoin Judeo-Christian civilization?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/09/16/panicked-germany-seizes-russian-energy-company-rosneft-uses-national-trusteeship-to-control-oil-refinery-the-current-economic-outlook-of-europe-full-state-control-of-critical-energy-production/

  312. German_reader says:
    @S

    If those “security guarantees” were limited to re-imposition of sanctions and weapons shipments in case of another Russian attack, they might actually contribute to a stable peace settlement based on Ukrainian neutrality.
    The real problem is that the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership still hasn’t died and that at least some Western policy-makers seem intent on toppling Putin and permanently removing Russia as a great power, possibly even dismembering the RF. And then there’s the moralistic furor which is getting ever more unhinged…just took a casual look at Twitter, and within five minutes I had already seen three ministers from Germany’s coalition government go on about the recently discovered “mass grave” (“Russia’s barbaric atrocities…Russia will be taken to account for every single life”, “hundreds of civilians have been tortured and murdered…we have begun investigations for war crimes” etc., at a time when nobody can know anything about this for certain). That limits options, you can’t make a deal with Hitler after all.

    • Replies: @S
  313. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    Farm animals really make one appreciate the effects of testosterone. IMO, it was a better society when more people were on the farm or just off of it, and could appreciate these differences.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  314. 216 says: • Website
    @S

    NATO won’t defend the US border from invasion.

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  315. @songbird

    Farm animals really make one appreciate the effects of testosterone.

    A person w/o mental disorders does not need any help of farm animals to appreciate this difference. After all, we are mammals, exactly like those farm animals. All mammals have two genders, one with a lot of testosterone, the other with little testosterone and a lot of estradiol.

    • Replies: @songbird
  316. S says:
    @German_reader

    The real problem is that the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership still hasn’t died and that at least some Western policy-makers seem intent on toppling Putin and permanently removing Russia as a great power, possibly even dismembering the RF.

    Yes, I think in large part that is the idea.

    Of course, in the last world war it was Poland (like Ukraine today) that was so cynically and shamelessly used by the US/UK, and then promptly discarded by them. In that war the big targets for destruction in Europe were Germany and Russia.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  317. @216

    NATO won’t defend the US border from invasion.

    Naturally. NATO is not about defense, it’s about aggression.

    • Replies: @216
  318. 216 says: • Website
    @LondonBob

    Time for a Hibernian royal house to get its turn then. It’s only fair.

  319. 216 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    It’s about freeloading. US spends (4%) double the European (<2%) rate per capita, and several European nations that aren't in NATO spend (1%). They turn around and provide generous welfare states that Redstan is morally shamed for not having.

    Meanwhile Russia has to spend (4%) to defend against itself, and has a much less effective welfare state. Which is what all of Europe would look like without the nation-state equivalent of the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program.

    As an American, I am grateful that Russia pays for its own defense.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  320. @216

    As an American, I am grateful that Russia pays for its own defense.

    As an American taxpayer, I am asking why the US has a greater “defense” budget than the rest of the world combined. I’ve never heard a coherent answer to this question.

    • Replies: @S
    , @216
    , @LondonBob
    , @S
  321. songbird says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Trannies are just the ultimate part of the delusion of feminism. There are many others, and a substantial part of the population is afflicted by it.

    Animals wear no guises, but a lot of people have no experience with animals that haven’t been spayed or neutered, so they have no strong reminders of the natural world.

    Roosters will never be cowed by a feminist movement of hens. They will never fear militant lesbian hens, or losing their job. They will not pretend to believe in equality, to get into the pants of hens, or for the signaling value.

    The culture was healthier when more people were living on farms, and I don’t think it’s pure coincidence. Saw a movie from the early ’30s a few months back, and I was impressed by the fact that though the protagonist was supposed to be a fop or a dandy, he was much more masculine than most male roles today.

  322. S says:
    @Barbarossa

    Piglets, calves, chicks, etc are all cute and endearing. When they get older they get more obnoxious, particularly males which make up the bulk of the eating material.

    Do you have coyotes in your area, and are they a problem as predators? Do you have ‘guard donkeys’?

    I know in some places where coyotes are a problem a donkey will be placed amongst the livestock to protect them. A barnyard big brother as it were.

    Supposedly, more than one guard donkey can be a problem, as being highly sociable creatures, almost humanlike even, they will get distracted by schmoozing with their fellow donkey, and slack off from their appointed guard duties. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Barbarossa
  323. S says:
    @AnonfromTN

    As an American taxpayer, I am asking why the US has a greater “defense” budget than the rest of the world combined. I’ve never heard a coherent answer to this question.

    Well, it’s not official but I’ll give it a try.

    To effect it’s self appointed world mission to make the entire rest of the world just like the United States, to be dominated by the United States, takes a hell of a lot of weaponry, and hence money.

    That’s the nuts and bolts of it.

    If you want the theory behind it, read The New Rome; or, the United States of the World published in 1853, and it’s companion booklet published in 1912, A Political Prophecy, both linked below. They only take a few hours to read in total.

    Though a bit dry in places, there’s quite a bit of intriguing and insightful information within them in regards to what the United States is all about, and what the actual nature of it’s historic relationship with the United Kingdom is (and has been) since the time of the 1776 Revolution.

    The future rapprochement between the US and UK, the move by these two newly reunited powers to conquer for itself continental Europe’s center of power, Germany, thus unleashing a world’s war upon the Earth, and the following war with Russia, where the US air force will play a key role, is all described within.

    For some reason there’s a complete blackout of the existance of these two books in the United States.

    I don’t know why.

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n15/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/politicalprophec00goeb/page/n3/mode/2up

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  324. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    Scotland being colonised by the English is a bit doubtful

    Scotland and England have a mutual marriage, with unified monarchy after the 17th century. But in centuries before there has been some regular history of England’s rulers colonizing Scotland. For example, in the 13th century and 14th century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlXobRvePy.

    In the 16th century before unification, the English military had even burned Edinburgh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Edinburgh

    It’s true England in medieval and early modern times is not quite the modern nation state and this is often more like war of princes. But even development of the British Empire in the 18th and 19th century was not a carefully planned project from the state.

    Perhaps in the 22nd century there will be a joint government between India and the United Kingdom. But this later history, doesn’t imply there is not the English management in India in the 19th century?

    Irish providing a decent proportion of the foot soldiers

    I think this is often in empires, where the nationalities which have been conquered or assimilated in the earlier ways, are important resources for future wars.

    Even 21st century examples. Ramzan Kadyrov has said he was killing Russian soldiers when he was teenager and his father said in German television said everyone should be killing Russians as a holy duty.

    25 years subsequently, there are streets called “Akhmat Kadyrov” in Moscow and the Kadyrov’s soldiers have been an important resource for the invasion of Ukraine.

    Gilberto Freyre wrote another book called ‘Order and Progress’ about Brazil

    Called after the name of their flag. It’s so typical of human everywhere, what are presented as the society ideals, are usually the opposite of the society reality. It’s the same as the “family values” of postsoviet politicians or the “hedonism of Western liberalism” – Western middle class people are surely the world’s most boring ordered people who will never be late for meetings.

    With Brazil and even USA, the question is whether they want to be a developed nation state (with order and progress), or a colony. Perhaps Brazil could be viewed as a very successful country, if judged from criteria of what the rulers actually want there.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  325. Dmitry says:
    @Wokechoke

    “Iron Felix” was a competent manager, but he just rebuilds a stronger and more successful version of previous structure for the new government. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

    New boss can be more “diverse” (including in their nationality in the early years) rebranding, but there is a sad thing about the revolutions and collapse of the Soviet Union, they create stronger version of some of the worse policy of the previous managers. You could have hoped less change of managers, than change of the less “pleasant” policies that are common to all these managers. Sometimes the best revolutions and development are when the managers do not change, and sometimes the process of change of managers can make the previous negative policies stronger than before.

    For example, nobody will be motivated to become more counter-revolutionary, than the successful revolutionary.

  326. @S

    To effect it’s self appointed world mission to make the entire rest of the world just like the United States, to be dominated by the United States,

    In essence, you are telling me that everything Russian and Chinese propaganda says is perfectly true. That explains a lot of things (Ukraine and Taiwan being unimportant side notes that deserve only fine print).

    I don’t know why.

    Your answer explains why: because they are true. Simply put, whoever wants to kill you does not inform you of his intentions, as that would make the crime harder to perpetrate.

    • Replies: @S
  327. Dmitry says:
    @Mikel

    Falklands War.. smaller military with better tactics, better information and advanced

    Comparing the British army with Ukraine, is a bit crazy. British military is one of the most competent and professional army in the world history, with the most elite soldiers and officers, while Ukraine is one of the most chaotic, incompetent and disorganized army, without much funding for boots and helmets until February.

    One of many problems (there are many other problems) of the terrible invasion of Ukraine, is that it is a bit like the Americans invading Vietnam (1964-1974).

    Ukrainians have the resource of nationalism, sense of moral right and the population has already accustomed to almost war conditions by postsoviet economic disasters. Ukrainians are not a spoiled and privileged population. In many cities, they have cold showers and electricity blackout in peacetime. They survived their own politicians and oligarchs, will not surrender because of a few missiles destroying infrastructure that has been rusting and declining already for decades since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    And nationalism has developed more extremely among a lot of the youth increasing in recent years, so regular concert in Kiev would become such a nationalist festival.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edWn4UGqrqU.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mikel
    , @LondonBob
  328. LatW says:
    @Wokechoke

    If these bodies are Ukrainians at all I am amazed the Russians have given them the last rites.

    “Rites” is an overstatement. These are just plain graves in a pine grove, with makeshift crosses, without names but with numbers, without coffins. It seems there is also a mass grave (probably a pit where the executed Ukrainian militiamen were thrown in).

    The Ukrainian criminologists are still working on it and most of the area is still mined and apparently not fully accessible.

    It seems that they were buried mostly in spring (in March). The victims appear to be those who died under the rubble (most buildings in Izyum are destroyed) or were routed out as defenders, tortured, their hands tied and killed. 6 torture chambers were found in Izyum. It was a cruel occupation. Some of the dead had broken bones. 6 months under the occupation with limited access to medical services, so some died in the hospitals without the needed care. There were rapes, kidnappings for ransom.

    As to who and how buried the dead, the existing funeral services were operating and when the Russians came, they laid down their rules and put these funeral services under their control.

    One of the witnesses, a woman that owns a funeral service, shared the following: the employees of her service were asked by the Russians to continue burying people, and they did so even under fire. Soon the communications broke down, bridges were blown up. The people were instructed to make their own burials (in yards, etc). When things quieted down, the funeral service guys came and re-buried the people in the cemeteries. The Russian troops tried to take their cars. At some point the Russian troops were burying the dead themselves and also tried to get the local funeral services to do it without payment but in exchange for military rations. In one case, the Russians approached a coroner, tried to take his car and, when he refused, they took him away and shot him.

    In one instance, a whole family was buried in the pine grove mass grave together – a father born in 1988, mother born in 1991, their daughter born in 2016, the grandmother and other relatives. They were hiding in the basement but it got smashed in during a Russian aviation attack. Died on March 9. Altogether 42 died in that incident. The survivors tried to pull them out but they weren’t able to clean the rubble due to the ongoing fire. They could hear the moans from under the rubble. They could bury the victims only a week or two later.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  329. S says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I don’t know why.

    Your answer explains why: because they are true. Simply put, whoever wants to kill you does not inform you of his intentions, as that would make the crime harder to perpetrate.

    Yes, I think that’s the general idea. (I should have placed a ‘sarc’ note there. I was probably being too subtle.)

  330. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    It’s true England in medieval and early modern times is not quite the modern nation state and this is often more like war of princes.

    Yes, as iirc Edward I was trying to make himself feudal lord of Scotland or something (and this was originally supposed to happen by marriage but somehow didn’t) and his war with the Scots was about that, rather than trying to directly incorporate Scotland into his domains as happened with Wales. Also, the ethnogenesis of the modern English was probably not complete during Edward I’s reign, I think he might still have spoken Norman French as his main language, as well as a lot of the other English nobles.

    At the same time, I could think of a series of Scottish invasions of Northern England (battles of Neville’s Cross, Flodden, 2nd Bishop’s War, 2nd Civil War in 1648) and in terms of demographic colonisation I’m not sure. I suspect there are more people of Scottish descent now identifying as English and living in England than the other way around.

    But even development of the British Empire in the 18th and 19th century was not a carefully planned project from the state.

    By the 1750s though the English existed in something closer to the modern form, British identity was in formation, and these territories in India and North America were called or thought of as colonies, rather than feudal fiefs or lordships.

    Perhaps in the 22nd century there will be a joint government between India and the United Kingdom. But this later history, doesn’t imply there is not the English management in India in the 19th century?

    Afaik there wasn’t any lasting English (or English allied) rule of Scotland though, unlike in India. France or Wales must be better examples of English colonisation in this period, but the term seems somehow anachronistic in medieval times.

    I suspect that the number of British Pakistanis and Bangladeshis might cause obstacles to joint government with India. If the UK population in the 22nd century is very non-white as some predictions suggest, it’s hard to see it as being the same Britain that colonised India. There would be geographical, linguistic and maybe some level of institutional continuity, which may be nominal by that time, but I think mostly it would seem a different nation.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @German_reader
  331. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @sudden death

    Yes, Russia is responsible for pushing African migrants into Lithuania. Russia and Belarus make no attempt to hide responsibility. The Belarusian border guards even provide the ladder. It is a deliberate message. Note the trend started in July of this year as a response to the Kaliningrad blockade. It shows a direct relationship between Lithuania actively undertaking the US/NATO agenda and the blowback for Lithuania, potentially permanent consequences because some Africans and Muslims will settle down in Lithuania.

    Putler is flooding Europe with Africans too despite some tunnelvisioning Western racists hallucinating on the contrary 😉

    You can put on a brave face but you should face what is coming. The streets of the Lithuanian capital will resemble Brussels with African and Muslim citizens and you will lose a sense of kinship to your hometown.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  332. Wokechoke says:
    @LatW

    I feel sorry for the locals who had a war land on their heads.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  333. @china-russia-all-the-way

    Note the trend started in July of this year as a response to the Kaliningrad blockade.

    Hopeless biased spinning as lot of Africans and other 3rd worlders have been arriving into Belarus going through RF airports at first since last summer already, especially after some direct flights into Minsk were stopped due to EU pressure and sanctions on airlines.

  334. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    and in terms of demographic colonisation I’m not sure.

    The Scottish crown invited Norman nobles to settle in Scotland as part of its drive for “modernization” and “Europeanization” (also reflected in areas like the rituals of kingship like anointment, adoption of feudal arrangements of land tenure etc.). Robert the Bruce, who led the fight against Edward I, came from such an Anglo-Norman family which had immigrated to Scotland in the 12th century. iirc there were also quite a few more low-ranking immigrants from England and continental regions like Flanders. But it’s of course crucial that this process never led to a lasting loss of independence (unlike in Wales or the Irish pale), but rather strengthened the Scottish monarchy, so interpreting it as a colonial situation would be misleading.
    Robin Frame’s The political development of the British Isles 1100-1400 is pretty good on the interconnections between England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland in the high/late middle ages and the differences between their respective situations.

    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  335. German_reader says:

    https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2022/09/17/executions-en-serie-de-collaborateurs-ukrainiens-prorusses_6142052_3210.html

    Ukraine denies responsibility, but how credible is that? These incidents imo make it more likely that it was indeed Ukrainian intelligence that killed Dugin’s daughter.

  336. @AP

    I do not have to accuse you. I just show how you lie. And thank you for repeating your lie.

    I am not questioning the validity of that story, idiot. I am showing that it was not me who lied, but the Poles.

    Yet it is not per se a lie. The atrocities perpetrated by your kin were a lot more brutal. Not only the Ukrainians murdered tens of thousands of children but they also raped them. Some were burned alive.

    • Replies: @AP
  337. @Dmitry

    Wales is a different nation to English, which was colonized by English armies in medieval times.

    As far as I can see, land of Wales was very much part of the land of Britannia, as the land was called in Roman rule, and derivative of the name now. Wales has clear geographical difference as you cross it from England, with the dark green hills, but I don’t think it was governed as a separate area then.

    It is interesting, that it is viewed as very romantic country, famous for their ancient language, dragon flag

    OK, that sounds fine

    and beautiful women

    ?????????????????. Seriously where did that statement come from?
    I’m not saying you are wrong, but I have never heard that, or of even the concept of any type of British woman as beautiful.

    Only woman from Wales I have heard of is the actress Catherine Zeta Jones, who was very beautiful. I understand her features are not atypical of wales women – and certainly her skin colour is darker.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Wokechoke
  338. @Wokechoke

    I feel sorry for the locals who had a war land on their heads.

    That would be if you make the ridiculous assumption that this Latvian, fuckup loser is saying anything close to reality, and that he isn’t blindly regurgitating and copying and pasting the diseased, lying garbage of the ukronazi devil regime ,with zero concern for the truth…but only that it confirms some liar confirmation bias for this fuckup who obviously has no national culture of his own to be interested in.

  339. German_reader says:
    @Gerard1234

    but I don’t think it was governed as a separate area then.

    It was literally its own principality (or rather several ones, iirc the process of consolidation wasn’t fully complete yet by the time England took over) ruled by its own native rulers that was only finally annexed by England in the late 13th century after centuries of warfare. There was also a clear ethnic edge to the conflict, e.g. there were prophecies that one day the Britons (i.e. the Welsh) would reclaim all of Britain and drive the English out again.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  340. @AnonfromTN

    Ukraine does have a culture, which includes Ukrainian literature. It does look a midget next to Russian culture, but it exists. In fact, it towers way above the cultures of any of the Baltic statelets.

    Of course there is something, but it is not enough. The Russian culture as I see it is not enough either though it is a lot richer and fuller and more exquisite.

    Ukraine is comparable to Poland – in size of population, territory, and they have shared history. The languages are related. Yet the Polish culture is a lot richer than the Ukrainian.

    Thing is, the comparison with Russian culture is not exactly fair: only English language-based culture is in the same league, all others are a lot more limited (at least regarding cultures based on European languages).

    Neither can I agree here.

    The Russian culture is comparable to the German or the French but is not as great as the English combined with the American. Perhaps in the field of orchestral music the Russian culture is superior to these, perhaps the Russian ballet was better, but in other aspects it is not in the same league as the English and American or the Spanish and Latin American.

    Though it can be compared in the field of literature, however there are no counterparts of Shakespeare or Cervantes in Russian.

    Yet I consider that the 20th century culture is in general superior to the past and that the best Russian literature is that of the Soviet period. I rate Bulgakov higher than Dostoevsky and there is no counterpart of him in the West. I think the Strugatsky brothers were the best in science fiction in the world and still are. But there is no counterpart of Lewis Carrol in the Russian literature.

    Neither is there a Russian counterpart of Chandler or García Márquez.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  341. 216 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    That’s not true, and it doesn’t account for the fact that military budgets are not measured the same in every country. Further, the US is far less efficient at spending its budget than other countires. The comparison in budgets disregards the PPP concept. And US military spending is an indirect subsidy to its allies, and in some cases a direct subsidy in the form of rent.

    The US Navy is less than half of the size it was during the 1980s, while the PLA Navy has grown immensely. The sticker shock of the budget obscures this.

  342. S says:

    A couple of days ago the EU declared that Hungary is no longer a democracy.

    As I’ve commented upon previously, if any particular people wishes to retain any substantive physical, and, or, cultural identity for itself, irregardless if you express this identity as a republic, constitutional monarchy, or, a democracy, that is what defines to the powers that be today a ‘Nazi’!TM/’Fascist’!TM.

    In regards to ‘immigrant’s’ and ‘immigration’, it’s long been an unwritten (though plenty obvious) divide and rule US policy, towards both it’s own Anglo-Saxon people, and towards other peoples besides, as succinctly described below on pg 4 of a 2003 academic paper which I’ve excerpted here and linked below ‘more’.

    If you don’t accept and embrace this for your own people, you’ll get the same treatment Hungary is now, or worse..

    ‘..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier’ (periphery); and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’

    Actually really and truly caring about one’s own people, though ultimately edifying for all concerned, can be a pain in the ass at times. Play acting that you care with the wage slavery (so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’) Multi-Cultural system, is a whole lot easier, financially profitable, and, even fun (did I mention financially profitable?) as you manipulate, wipe out and utterly destroy entire peoples via the resulting mass rape, murder, and genocide in the truest sense of the term, by ‘mixing’.

    In regards to Hungary and it’s actions, maybe it’s simply that the Hungarian people love their daughters.

    EU Lawmakers Declare That Hungary is No Longer a Democracy

    BRUSSELS (AP) — European Union lawmakers on Thursday declared that Hungary has become “a hybrid regime of electoral autocracy” under the leadership of its nationalist government, and that its undermining of the bloc’s democratic values had taken Hungary out of the community of democracies.

    [MORE]

    cont.

    In a resolution that passed 433-to-123 with 28 abstentions, the parliamentarians raised concerns about Hungary’s constitutional and electoral systems, judicial independence, possible corruption, public procurement irregularities, LGBTQ+ rights, as well as media, academic and religious freedoms.

    The lawmakers said that Hungary — which its populist Prime Minister Viktor Orban characterizes as an “illiberal democracy” — has left behind many of the democratic values of the bloc. In part, they blamed the other 26 EU member countries for turning a blind eye to possible abuses during Orban’s 12 years in office.

    The vote is the latest in a series of showdowns between the EU’s institutions and Orban’s government in Budapest. The bloc’s executive arm, the European Commission, is expected to announce Sunday that it is prepared to suspend payments of some EU money to Hungary over its alleged violations.

    The French Greens parliamentarian who chaperoned the resolution through the assembly, Gwendoline Delbos-Corfield, said “for the first time, an EU institution is stating the sad truth, that Hungary is no longer a democracy.”

    In the text, the lawmakers condemned “the deliberate and systematic efforts of the Hungarian government to undermine the founding values of the Union.”

    The vote is highly symbolic in that it sets Hungary apart from other EU countries in its alleged failure to uphold values enshrined in the EU treaty like “respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities.”

    https://www.academia.edu/2116622/Between_urban_and_national_45_Political_mobilization_among_46_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_4847_towns_

    https://apnews.com/article/hungary-gay-rights-european-union-6a87b83de47bb90b12e4927735d8092f

  343. @sudden death

    This particular photo of hanged children has nothing to do with WWII as the harrowing crime was commited in 1923 by gypsy mother at Polish woods.

    I had a feeling that something was wrong with that photograph. I thought it was some sort of macabric art.

    The Ukrainians did not do that. I apologize for misrepresenting them. The Ukrainians did not do that!

    The Ukrainians did this.

    [MORE]

  344. @Here Be Dragon

    perhaps the Russian ballet was better

    Russian ballet has been vastly superior to any other for going on 70 years now. One full quantum level above their peak chess.

    Those buggers can dance.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  345. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Attributing that photo to the “work” of UPA was a lie, one you repeated. As I said, your natural dishonesty takes various forms: sometimes you lie by commission, sometimes you lie by omission, sometimes you present old data as current, sometimes you repeat others’ lies (in the case of this photo, the presentation of a Polish Commie academic’s work).

    Not only the Ukrainians murdered tens of thousands of children

    Probably. OUN was an evil and murderous organization, especially in 1943-1944 when it killed all of those Polish civilians. I’m glad not be descended from any of it’s members.

    Don’t forget that your fellow Sovoks probably killed more Polish kids. And certainly killed far more children overall. And that you are a descendant of a man who chose to serve that murderous state as a police officer tasked with arresting people on its behalf.

    children but they also raped them

    Now you are getting into your own sick fantasies. We’ll, you can’t help it. There is no evidence of mass rape of children by UPA. Killing then was bad enough though.

  346. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    Edward the confessor surrounded himself with Norman’s while he established Westminster as his seat. Norman’s at that time were not quite yet the impressive all conquerors. The Norman’s who did come were castellans who were sent to Hereford and Chester and they failed. Harold Godwinson has to clean up several messes.

  347. Wokechoke says:
    @Gerard1234

    Welsh women are not considered to be any great beauties. There’s a Silurian look. Catherine Zera Jones has it. Rome basically settled the area around what is now Stroud and Cirencester and Gloucester. The slate hills were not attractive to live in. It was conquered more or less but I’d say it wasn’t colonized. Nothing or value there for the Romans.

  348. @AP

    My grandparents were very successful in this country, despite starting from nothing because they lost everything prior to their arrival.

    I know. You told me that before.

    Your grandparents founded some “lucrative business”.

    Pretense is when a Sovok like you thinks he is better than a peasant. That is also arrogance. You are a primitive person.

    Have I said that I was better than a peasant?

    No.

    [MORE]

    You however have said more than once that you are of noble blood, and even said that you are a Rurikid!

    How stupid can a man be? You are pushing the boundaries.

    The same as when you are calling me a sovok, whereas your have close family relatives in Ukraine who are sovok peasants!

    1922 was the last year of the Red Terror. I also cited WIKIPEDIA which is a GOOD indicator of CONVENTIONAL UNDERSTANDING. It also provided 1922 as the last year of the Red Terror.

    No comments.

    You are a fabulous idiot.

    You are descended from a monster who chose to join the Bolshevik state in the role of arresting people, at end of the period of Red Terror.

    The Red Terror was a short term legislation allowing to punish people without a trial. It was canceled in 1918.

    The Civil War ended in 1920. The New Economic Policy started in 1921. Your propaganda fabrications are of no interest to me.

    That would be about equivalent to someone choosing to become a police officer in the Nazi regime.

    Your fellow Ukrainians made that choice. Your fellow Ukrainians served in SS. Your fellow Ukrainians slaughtered innocent and peaceful people, including children.

    So shut your Ukrainian mouth up!

    • Replies: @AP
  349. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Russian ballet has been vastly superior to any other for going on 70 years now. One full quantum level above their peak chess.

    Those buggers can dance.

    I am not sure regarding the latter. I think it is a mistaken stereotype. Patrick Swayze was a ballet dancer.

    As for the Russian ballet as far as I know it has been in its own league since the early 1900s. I am not an expert on it but here is a piece from 1907.

    I think it is mesmerizing.

    It was created by Anna Pavlova who is considered the greatest ballerina in history, but here it is performed by Maya Plisetskaya. She was 50 at the time!

    And I have seen the Dying Swan performed by other ballerinas and can confidently say than no one has done it better.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  350. @Here Be Dragon

    Not Russian but the commies put a lot of resources into all the Empire dancers. Back in the late 1980’s there was a Georgia dance company that did a show in my city and the crowd went nuts.

  351. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    …People implicitly understand “when in Rome.” And the vast majority of the deaths were because the locals butchered each other.

    Locals always butcher each other, who do you think is fighting now in Ukraine? Locals butchered each other in Ireland, nobody came in to join them. It was none of Europe’s business and they are fully responsible for all the additional killing Europe did – with brutal remote bombing and intentional destruction of infrastructure.

    I am not sure you know what you are saying with “when in Rome“. But ok, then are we all “in Rome” and we all can act as the others do? In other words, Russia can do what UK did, so why are you upset about it?

    …an alternative, but correctly identified that it was difficult.

    Many things are difficult. Opening up Europe to massive migration was also difficult at the beginning. We do difficult things, that’s called maintaining a civilization. To overcome the emotional block, that I agree many Europeans have, you need two things: change the incentives and start gradually. For example, simply keeping non-Euros from any benefits and giving public preference to natives would shift the calculations and start changing the dynamic. You do that, and also freeze new arrivals, and then next step. It is not easy and it would take decades. But shifting even 10-20% towards the natives could save Europe for 1-2 generations. What you suggested was fatalism.

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  352. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @sudden death

    Since August 2021, Lithuanian authorities have stopped releasing data on migrants processed and accepted to stay in Lithuania while making an asylum claim. The counter stopped at 4,000 migrants. Lithuania sometimes makes statements on the number of migrants stopped and sent back at the border. Lack of consistent info makes it hard to track the stop and start of migrant waves. That’s bad for Lithuanians because of the lack of clear data on the true cost for Lithuania of antagonizing Russia. You have leaders who work for the US/NATO and subordinate the interest of keeping Lithuania a homogenous society.

    However, Lithuanian and Polish government statements in August 2022 both indicate that sometime in July 2022 there was a new trend of African migrants entering Lithuania and Poland.

    https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/42418/poland-says-more-subsaharan-migrants-are-attempting-to-cross-into-eu-via-poland

    Poland says it has observed a new migration trend along its border with Belarus. Officials say there is a rise in African nationals traveling first to Russia and then to Belarus in the hope of entering the EU using irregular means.

    August 5, 2022

    • Replies: @sudden death
  353. Pixo says:
    @Thulean Friend

    -2% is a joke. No nation gets away with such a drop after losing access to its main trade partners.

    Russia’s silver lining of high energy prices is starting to melt away too. Brent is only \$90 now. I think it will probably go back to \$110, but I never thought it would be back at \$90. With the much higher transport and insurance costs and required discounts, Russia’s oil revenue boom looks short lived.

    “The key constraint on Russia isn’t the budget balance but the current account.”

    A sign Russia’s trade balance isn’t so great: the tanking of gold prices despite inflation worries. Russia is known to have been building up a large gold stockpile. They’re probably cashing it in now. Nothing wrong with this, losing a war certainly counts as a “rainy day.”

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  354. Chockerande dokumentet: Så planerade USA kriget och energikrisen i Europa
    https://nyadagbladet.se/utrikes/chockerande-dokumentet-sa-planerade-usa-kriget-och-energikrisen-i-europa/

    The shocking document: How the US planned the war and the energy crisis in Europe

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  355. @Pixo

    losing a war

    So that’s why the war keeps going on Ukrainian territory. Must be newspeak. I guess the USSR lost the war against Nazi Germany. Right in Berlin.

    • Replies: @AP
  356. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    while Ukraine is one of the most chaotic, incompetent and disorganized army, without much funding for boots and helmets until February

    Sorry, your other points are correct but this point is nonsense, as it has proven in this war.

    Ukraine’s military underwent significant reform and reorganization from 2015. I had been writing here, that Ukraine in 2018 or 2020 or 2021 was nothing like the Ukraine of 2014, which you describe.

    Here is a detailed article from 2017:

    https://www.osw.waw.pl/sites/default/files/prace_66_ang_best_army_ukraine_net.pdf

    Just massive improvement (from a terrible low base, of course) in terms of equipment, training, number of troops, etc.

    When I posted it a few years ago, Martyanov mocked it and claimed that Russia would destroy Ukraine’s military in a few days.

    Here are excerpts from an article from 2018:

    https://www.fpri.org/article/2018/08/the-ukrainian-military-from-degradation-to-renewal/

    “Whereas in 2013 Ukraine’s military budget amounted to approximately 1.9 billion dollars, in 2015, it was 3.1 billion dollars…. funds are flowing not only toward the maintenance of the armed forces, but also toward the development of new capabilities.”

    “Increased funding has helped Ukraine significantly boost both the volume and combat-readiness of its troops. Since 2013, the number of military personnel has risen 36% to 250,000….At the same time, the Ukrainian military has also begun conducting numerous exercises with the support of foreign states to enhance the level of combat training of personnel. In 2016 alone, the Ukrainian military held nearly 900 exercises, including those with international participation. For comparison, in 2009, zero full-scale multinational military exercises in the territory of Ukraine were conducted due to lack of funding. ”

    “Last, the military has created units for information and psychological special operations and has reformed its territorial defense system. Today, in each region of the state, formed units of territorial defense are based on reservists, volunteers, and demobilized soldiers. By the end of this year, these units will be reorganized into battalions and consolidated into brigades, which will be managed by the command of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine. ”

    :::::::::::::

    There was also a reorganization of the military to be a Western style one, more decentralized.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  357. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    So Nazi Germany was never losing the war against the USSR until the Soviets entered German territory in 1945? The Nazis were still winning after Stalingrad, Kursk, etc.. in your world?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Beckow
    , @Sean
  358. @Here Be Dragon

    Isn’t this the same report that RT published a few days ago with the disclaimer that many of their experts believe it to be a hoax?

  359. @AP

    There is a saying that when a person does not have a sense of humor, this person at least must have a sense that s/he does not have a sense of humor.

  360. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    “Pretense is when a Sovok like you thinks he is better than a peasant. That is also arrogance. You are a primitive person.”

    Have I said that I was better than a peasant?

    No.

    Your words: “the peasants were granted a permission to settle on these territories. That’s a good deal for the Ukrainian peasant lowlife.”

    Either you admit that you are equal to “Ukrainian peasant lowlifes” or you think you are better than peasants. Which is it, liar?

    And of course you are not better than peasants, you are after all a Soviet, lower than all natural humans.

    You however have said more than once that you are of noble blood

    About 75%. So? It doesn’t make me better than a peasant or most other people.

    and even said that you are a Rurikid!

    I never claimed this, it’s another of your many lies.

    You have now mentioned my noble ancestry much more than I have. Why your obsession? A nobleman isn’t better than a peasant. But both are inherently better than a Sovok like you. No matter what you do, you will always be worse than any peasant. You demonstrate it in your posts: you lie, you share your obsession with pornography (what does that imply about your genetics?), etc. I know you can’t help it, you are and always will be what you were bred to be, after all. The nineties in Russia and Ukraine were the dystopian nightmare that people like you created when you were allowed to run free.

    And there is no arrogance in me saying that.

    whereas your have close family relatives in Ukraine who are sovok peasants!

    Peasants were victims of Sovoks.

    The Red Terror was a short term legislation allowing to punish people without a trial. It was canceled in 1918.

    Red Terror is the term commonly used to apply to the mass killings by the Soviet regime from 1918-1922.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

    The Red Terror (Russian: Красный террор, romanized: krasnyj terror) in Soviet Russia was a campaign of political repression and executions carried out by the Bolsheviks, chiefly through the Cheka, the Bolshevik secret police. It started in late August 1918 after the beginning of the Russian Civil War[2][3][4][page needed] and lasted until 1922

    https://www.rbth.com/history/329091-how-many-lives-claimed-red-terror

    The campaign lasted two months, but usually the Red Terror is used as a blanket term for all political repressions of the Soviet government during the civil war in Russia – from October 1917, when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Provisional Government, to 1922, when they finally defeated their enemies.

    “That would be about equivalent to someone choosing to become a police officer in the Nazi regime.”

    Your fellow Ukrainians made that choice.

    Yes, there were some Ukrainians [ones who chose to be police officers under the Nazi regime] who were as bad as your great-grandfather, who chose to be a police officer and arrest farmers under the authority of the NKVD during Lenin’s bloody rule, in 1922 the last year of the Red Terror.

    Shame on those Ukrainian police officers serving the Nazi regime, and shame on their descendants if they defend them as you do the monsters whom you are descended from.

    Your fellow Ukrainians served in SS

    The Ukrainians in the Galician Waffen SS Division were not any worse than the Russians and Ukrainians in the Red Army. Probably a smaller percentage of them killed and raped civilians.

    Your fellow Ukrainians slaughtered innocent and peaceful people, including children.

    Yes, but not nearly as many as were slaughtered by your Soviets, who were doing most of their killing in peacetime. Or Germans. Or Americans and Brits, for that matter. Was getting burned alive in your apartment by high tech American bombs better than being burned in your village home by low tech Ukrainian peasants? Croats, too. The 1940s were a very bloody and nasty time. But Lenin and Stalin whom your people served dutifully were worse than Bandera.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  361. Mikel says:
    @Dmitry

    Comparing the British army with Ukraine, is a bit crazy. British military is one of the most competent and professional army in the world history

    But the Ukrainians are using tactics, intelligence and advanced weapons provided primarily by the British and the Americans. And it shows.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Mikel
  362. Beckow says:
    @AP

    You are a master of false analogies: this is not WW2, get it?

    This is a regional war more similar to the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but different in a way that Russia is right there – it is their region. US (Nato) was pushed out repeatedly from large parts of Iraq and Afghanistan – they still claimed a “win” as it was happening.

    If Ukies can occupy Mariupol or Kherson you may have something. Even then by the Western previous standards, Russia would be the overall winner as long as they keep Donbas and Crimea. What are the odds of Kiev retaking those cities? If people in Kiev had any brains left they would negotiate now – this is about as good a situation that they will have. With another round of escalation, they will be inevitably worse off – and so will be the rest of us.

    • Replies: @AP
  363. Mikel says:
    @Mikel

    Not that the American and the British military are not capable of screwing up seriously, as we’ve seen in the past decades, but they don’t do it in the same way as the Russians. They plan better and are more effective on the battlefield. They get bogged down when they use their military for nation-building, which Russia hasn’t been able to even start doing in Ukraine. That is what everybody thought would have been the difficult part for the Russians before they proved us all wrong by screwing up from the very beginning of their SMO.

  364. A123 says: • Website

    😁 This is TOO FUNNY to pass up. 😂

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  365. Sean says:
    @AP

    Russia’s ultimate weapons make Nazi Germany’s look like toys, so unlike the Third Reich, Russia cannot be militarily defeated. China is not going to isolate Russia, because then China would be alon facing the power of the victorious US in any future conflict.

    Ukraine has frustrated Russia, but Ukraine did not think it would have to because it did not think Russia was going to stage a full on invasion. The moral victory is all Ukraine’s, but the county is going to be greatly diminished in territory like Germany after WW2. There is probably going to be a lot of emigration to the cushy West as Ukraine developed links to it,

    • Replies: @216
    , @Mikhail
    , @Pixo
  366. @AP

    Either you admit that you are equal to “Ukrainian peasant lowlifes” or you think you are better than peasants. Which is it, liar?

    Neither of that, moron.

    Peasants are not the same, it depends on the nation. The Jewish peasants for example were intelligent and literate. The Romanian peasants were talented. The great Romanian composer Enescu was born and raised in a village.

    But the Ukrainian peasants are stupid and mean. The slaughtering of Poles was perpetrated by the peasants who lived in the neighboring villages. The Ukrainian peasants are genocidal maniacs.

    You cannot compare them to the Romanian peasants who play violins and accordions. The Ukrainian peasants drink moonshine and sing.

    You cannot compare them to the Jewish peasants who used to learn to read at age 5. The Ukrainian peasants cannot even speak properly.

    So let us not put these lowlifes in a human category. They are anthropoids that lack human qualities – the same as you, ape.

    And of course you are not better than peasants, you are after all a Soviet, lower than all natural humans.

    We have a person here with us who was born and raised in the Soviet Union and have achieved a lot more than you have. Yet he is more humble than the rest of us. Learn from that.

    You are a nobody – just a medic. Neither are you smart nor are you a moral person. You are an ignorant and arrogant idiot and that is not a sole opinion of mine but of other people as well.

    You have now mentioned my noble ancestry much more than I have. Why your obsession?

    One half of your ancestors were peasant slaves and the other were slave owners. How noble!

    You need to get grounded, clown.

    You will always be worse than any peasant. You demonstrate it in your posts: you lie, you share your obsession with pornography (what does that imply about your genetics?), etc.

    No I am not a consumer of that product.

    You on the other hand are for sure as are most Americans.

    The Americans are obsessed with pornography. The Russian population size is 44% of the American, but the Russian porn consumption makes just 1% of the American!

    The nineties in Russia and Ukraine were the dystopian nightmare that people like you created when you were allowed to run free. And there is no arrogance in me saying that.

    No but there is craziness.

    [MORE]

    You do not know me. Though you do know that me and my family lost all our savings and property during the 90s.

    Red Terror is the term commonly used to apply to the mass killings by the Soviet regime from 1918-1922.

    No, the Red Terror is the real actual term that was used by the Soviet government. It was a short term legislation used during the most violent phase of the Civil War. It was cancelled after a few months in 1918.

    The quotation below belongs to a person who is not a historian but a propagandist.

    The campaign lasted two months, but usually the Red Terror is used as a blanket term for all political repressions of the Soviet government during the civil war in Russia – from 1917 to 1922.

    Usually is used where?

    The Civil War ended in 1920 and from 1921 the New Economic Policy was adopted. There was no fighting in Russia in 1922.

    Repeating this you are only showing how ignorant and crazy you are.

    Your great-grandfather chose to be a police officer and arrest farmers under the authority of the NKVD during Lenin’s bloody rule, in 1922 the last year of the Red Terror.

    For those who are reading this idiot – take it with a grain of salt. This man is a pathological liar who does not see any difference between history and propaganda.

    The NKVD of the 1920s was the name of the Soviet ministry of interior and it was not related to the secret police, the VChK. It was in 1934 when the functions of secret police were transferred to the NKVD.

    The Russian Civil War ended in 1920 and in 1922 there was peace and harmony.

    The Red Terror lasted two or three months in 1918.

    Shame on those Ukrainian police officers serving the Nazi regime, and shame on their descendants if they defend them as you do the monsters whom you are descended from.

    Shame on you, therefore?

    Did you not defend the Ukrainians who were beating innocent people, among them children, with wooden batons? Did you not defend those anthropoids who murdered peaceful and innocent residents of their own town?

    Many of them were police officers.

    And concerning who I am descended from, as I have said before that man in particular had no sons and that means that I cannot be descended from him. He could not pass his genes to me.

    But that you continue calling him a monster and insisting that he was serving in the VChK during the Red Terror is showing how deeply schizophrenic you are.

    You are unable to insult me with your pathologies, stupid.

    The Ukrainians in the Galician Waffen SS Division were not any worse than the Russians and Ukrainians in the Red Army. Probably a smaller percentage of them killed and raped civilians.

    Unlike the SS, the Red Army was never implicated in genocide. The Red Army never put people in concentration camps because they were of a different nationality. The Red Army did not murder two million of innocent Jewish people – the SS did.

    The Red Army never killed and raped civilians. Your lies are propaganda of atrocities, but of course being a schizophrenic you cannot see any difference between the factual reality and the imagined one.

    The 1940s were a very bloody and nasty time. But Lenin and Stalin whom your people served dutifully were worse than Bandera.

    Neither Lenin nor Stalin ever perpetrated a genocide as did Bandera and his fellow Ukrainians. Let alone a genocide against people of a different ethnicity as did Bandera and his fellow Ukrainians who murdered 100 thousand Polish women and children and at least as many Jews for not being Ukrainians.

    Lenin masterminded the greatest of revolutions in human history and Stalin saved Russia and her people from disintegration, turned Russia into a superpower and the Russian people into the most educated nation in the world. Due to their effort the Soviet Union defeated the Nazism and led humanity into space.

    Who was Bandera?

    A midget that made his people hate other people, murder women and children and serve the diabolical Nazi regime. Due to him even right now the Ukrainians are suffering. If it was not for him there would be no war now.

    But the Ukrainian people love Bandera. For that they will be cursed in Hell, but first they will be defeated by the Russian soldier!

    • Replies: @216
    , @AP
  367. 216 says: • Website
    @Sean

    The original Russian war aim was to decapitate the liberal Ukrainian regime and turn it into another Belarus.

    Settling for minor land acquisitions will be perceived as a Russian defeat, which the West is not in any condition to allow. If Herr Zelensky was willing to offer concessions, the military would remove him from office.

    The victory condition for Russia is going all the way to Lviv and annexing the entire territory of Kievan Rus.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  368. 216 says: • Website
    @Here Be Dragon

    Your chart is misleading, it measures searches for the English word “porn”.

    That only correlates to consumption in Anglophone countries.

    • Disagree: Here Be Dragon
    • Replies: @AP
  369. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Sean

    Of possible interest, if you haven’t already seen:

    • Thanks: EddieSpaghetti
    • Replies: @Sean
  370. Mikhail says: • Website
    @216

    Along with some others, I don’t believe that Russia is especially interested in trying to take the former Habsburg ruled part of Ukraine.

    As is, they’ve enough of an undertaking.

  371. Pixo says:
    @Sean

    “Russia cannot be militarily defeated”

    What appear to be panicked retreats of Russian troops are actually glorious feints comrade! Doooooooh…..

    • Replies: @Sean
  372. @Beckow

    The first step would be enshrining the idea that, for example, England is the special homeland of the English.

    The Baltics have managed it. It can be done. It also establishes that there is a group whose interests matter.

    And if we can’t achieve it, then we most certainly can’t achieve anything even close to all of the other stuff.

    Also, I wasn’t fatalistic. I was humble. I merely pointed out that I don’t have (all of) the answers, which is clearly true.

    I am not sure you know what you are saying with “when in Rome“.

    When you’re in the Middle East, you can try for European standards of humanitarianism but you will fail.

    However when you’re in Europe, you have failed if you don’t achieve European standards.

    Or to put it another way, it doesn’t matter if the government of the Congo is white or black, they’ll still have to govern in similar ways if they want to be effective, and those ways will not be similar to how the Swiss government does it in Switzerland.

    Would you have the same policing protocols and procedures in a home counties English village as you would in Jackson Mississippi?

    Obviously not.

    Locals always butcher each other, who do you think is fighting now in Ukraine?

    The sovereign army of a separate state called Russia invade the sovereign state of Ukraine. The vast majority of the conflict deaths in Ukraine are from Russian forces fighting Ukrainians. The vast majority of conflict deaths in Iraq were from Iraqi forces fighting Iraqis.

    • LOL: German_reader
  373. Sean says:
    @Pixo

    Russia is being hurt and humiliated, but I see no reason to think Russia is suffering catastrophic reverses that would make it contemplate capitulation and withdrawal. In other words, it isn’t being knocked out of the war. That is something that could happen with sufficient US aid to Ukraine, but only if the Russian’s accept ii. Whether Russia would accept it is something the US is not looking to find out. So Ukraine is being used as an instrument for attriting Russia slowly but surely and teaching it a lesson.

  374. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Baltics?

    Surely you jest. Malmo, Stockholm gone…Riga and Tallinn don’t stand a chance.

  375. AP says:
    @Beckow

    This is a regional war more similar to the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

    Well, if you want to think of it that way – America “lost” to Iraq and the Taliban, but those countries never held a piece of American soil.

    America managed a complete military victory over Iraq’s conventional army and occupied the entire place in about 5 weeks. But it never managed to either subdue or to charm the Iraqi people into accepting American dominance and was eventually forced out.

    Russia hasn’t even come close to the first step, defeating the conventional military and occupying the whole country. It managed to grab and keep some land in the south and east, but was kicked out of areas near the capital it had grabbed at the beginning. And now it has just lost a large chunk of the territory it had retained in the east, and a few villages in the south.

    This is a regional war more similar to the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but different in a way that Russia is right there – it is their region

    No analogy is exactly the same, but the closest parallel is probably the war between Poland and the Bolsheviks in 1919-1921.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Beckow
  376. AP says:
    @216

    Nice catch. His mendacity takes many forms.

    • Troll: Here Be Dragon
  377. 216 says: • Website
    @AP

    America managed a complete military victory over Iraq’s conventional army and occupied the entire place in about 5 weeks. But it never managed to either subdue or to charm the Iraqi people into accepting American dominance and was eventually forced out.

    Iraq remains an unstable democracy nearly 20 years since the invasion. That’s a better record than America achieved in South Korea and South Vietnam. There has been no return to a strongman like Qasem or Saddam. Bashar Assad lacks the ability to make territorial designs on Iraq like his father once had. ISIS could not topple the Baghdad government.

    And just recently Al-Sadr’s men were destroying the memorials to Gen. Suleimani. Oil production is at record highs, and Iraq is not a hegemonic threat to its neighbors. Sadly we could not coerce them into being responsible and having diplomatic relations with Israel.

    Iraq has had more than 100 years of Britain’s map. I predict that America’s democracy will outlive the monarchy that Britain installed, and will outlive the Ba’ath regime too.

    So many want to take away America’s victories, to deny the sacrifices we made. They question our motives, our values but what they are really after is our sovereignty itself. They can’t win on the battlefield, they use subversion instead.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @Wokechoke
  378. sher singh says:
    @216

    On 9 December, Iraq and the U.S.-led coalition announced that the coalition’s combat mission had concluded, formally transitioning remaining U.S. forces in the country to an advisory, assistance, and training role. Coalition commander Maj. Gen. John Brennan stated “Many brave men and women gave their lives to ensure Daesh never returns, and as we complete our combat role, we will remain here to advise, assist and enable,” adding “Daesh is down, but not out.” Around 2,500 U.S. troops remained in Iraq at the time of the announcement, and soldiers had not engaged in combat missions since early 2020.[1] CENTCOM commander Gen. “Frank” McKenzie confirmed that U.S. troops would remain in Iraq to assist Iraqi security forces, including providing air support and military aid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Iraq_(2020%E2%80%932021)#July_2021_%E2%80%93_December_2021:_End_of_U.S._combat_mission

    Keep larping. Once your troops leave, so does democracy. Now you’re equal to niggers white boy, enjoy.

  379. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Peasants are not the same, it depends on the nation. The Jewish peasants for example were intelligent and literate.

    In your arrogance you don’t like Jews either, despite being partially Jewish.

    Your words: “Yiddish is disgusting, even more than German. As is disgusting the Ashkenazi cuisine, and in fact most other things Ashkenazi, including people.”

    The Romanian peasants were talented. The great Romanian composer Enescu was born and raised in a village.

    Enescu was born and raised in a village but you dishonestly imply that he was a peasant when he was descended on both sides of his family from priests.

    You cannot compare them [Ukrainian peasants] to the Romanian peasants who play violins and accordions. The Ukrainian peasants drink moonshine and sing.

    Ukrainian peasants don’t play violins and accordions?

    Did you lie when you claimed to have been brought up in western Ukraine?

    A Ukrainian folk song with fiddle:

    And accordion (1:10):

    A Christmas song based on Ukrainian peasant music is one of the most treasured Christmas songs in the world, far more beloved than any song ever made by a Romanian. Tchaikovsky also used some Ukrainian folk songs in his music, such as his second symphony.

    :::::::::::::

    So you grew up in Ukraine and think you are better than Ukrainian peasants. But as a Soviet you aren’t better than anyone.

    “You will always be worse than any peasant. You demonstrate it in your posts: you lie, you share your obsession with pornography (what does that imply about your genetics?), etc.”

    No I am not a consumer of that product.

    The claim of a liar.

    You mention is so often that it is on your mind.

    The Americans are obsessed with pornography. The Russian population size is 44% of the American, but the Russian porn consumption makes just 1% of the American!

    216 caught you dishonestly using that chart. It’s a a search for an English-language word in English. It will of course emphasize English-speaking people.

    According to the chart, per capita the UK and Canada consume more pornography than does the USA.

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    You do not know me. Though you do know that me and my family lost all our savings and property during the 90s.

    It’s tough being a Sovok. Your masters gave you freedom and looked what you did with it. Stealing from one another, killing one another, lying to one another and to yourselves. Some of you creatures ended up on the losing end, that’s how it is in the jungle you created, unfortunately.

    Your entire society was built on theft from nobles and peasants, along with killing them. What did you expect?

    You are proud of Lenin and Stalin, thieves and murderers. So you have no right to complain when people with your shared Soviet morality stole from you. Or killed some of you. You are no better than them. Actually your ilk got off very easily compared to your victims.

    No, the Red Terror is the real actual term

    A liar makes claims about what this is.

    I’d rather use published sources.

    The Civil War ended in 1920

    The liar lies again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War

    The Russian Civil War (Russian: Гражданская война в России, tr. Grazhdanskaya voyna v Rossii; 7 November 1917 — 16 June 1923)

    Russian wiki:

    Гражданская война в России (17 мая 1918— 25 октября 1922[2]/19 июня 1923 года

    Cambridge History of Russia:

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-history-of-russia/russian-civil-war-19171922/2DC927C4A7C538F9B620D285CEF9261C

    The Russian civil war, 1917–1922

    Etc. etc.

    The Reds did not capture Vladivostok until October 1922.

    You don’t know basic facts about Russian history. Or, more likely, you are just lying as usual.

    So your great-grandfather chose to serve the Soviet state as a police officer arresting people while the Civil War was ongoing, during the last year of the Red Terror. He was arresting farmers, the victims of murder and theft by the Soviet state whom he served. How many of those whom he arrested were killed?

    And then someone stole from his descendants.

    The NKVD of the 1920s was the name of the Soviet ministry of interior and it was not related to the secret police

    It ran labor camps and prisons also.

    The Russian Civil War ended in 1920 and in 1922 there was peace and harmony.

    You don’t know basic facts about Russian history. Or, more likely, you are just lying as usual.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Volochayevka

    The Battle of Volochayevka was an important battle of the Far Eastern Front in the latter part of the Russian Civil War. It occurred on February 10 through 12, 1922, near Volochayevka station on the Amur Railway, on the outskirts of the city of Khabarovsk.

    Did you not defend the Ukrainians who were beating innocent people, among them children, with wooden batons?

    Liar lies again.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-194/#comment-5507322

    I wrote: “Of course, this was a crime, and it was evil. The Jews who had actually been guilty were evacuated along with the rest of the Bolshevik scum, these victims were innocent..”

    What those people did was wrong, but your great-grandfather and other Lenin and Stalin-era Soviet policemen and Nazi policemen was far worse. Those people in Lwow were acting out of blind grief and rage. Unlike your kind.

    I provided the full story to the pictures you posted:

    This is what happened right before those murders. You defend the Stalinist regime that did this. That’s all anyone needs to know about your morality, Sovok:

    https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/1941-nkvd-prison-massacres-western-ukraine

    “It was not only the number of those killed that shocked the populace, but also the manner in which they died. Many of the prisoners killed at the hands of the NKVD in Western Ukraine endured brutal torture before being killed. The first known reports of the NKVD prison massacres appeared in German newspapers in the first week of July 1940 and described scenes of family members searching through thousands of tortured corpses. An unattributed report from Berlin reported that victims in L’viv were crowded into cells where they were either shot or had their stomachs cut open. Similarly horrific reports recount crucified priests with crosses carved into their chests, makeshift torture chambers with blood-soaked walls, and mass graves full of bodies displaying marks of torture and missing limbs.”

    Eyewitness accounts confirm the brutal manner in which some prisoners were tortured and then murdered. Bohdan Kazanivs’kyi, who survived the mass execution of prisoners in the Brygidki prison in L’viv, described seeing groups of prisoners taken to the prison basement and then hearing their deafening screams as they were tortured before they were shot. A female survivor jailed in the Lontsky women’s prison in L’viv recalled walking past corpses missing ears, eyes, and noses when the invading German forces freed her. Others remembered seeing bodies that had been severely burned by boiling water.”

    Uncovering thousands of visibly tortured and partially decomposed bodies caused outrage among Ukrainians and Poles alike. The atrocity deeply affected popular attitudes, which had two important consequences. On the one hand, the massacres reinforced hatred against Soviet rule and enhanced Ukrainian enthusiasm for Germany. Since the opening of the prisons coincided with Germany’s invasion of the Soviet Union, it was easy to associate Germany with liberation and the Soviet Union with oppression. The fact that the NKVD spent time gratuitously torturing prisoners struck many Ukrainians and Poles as evidence of their victimization under Soviet rule. Consequently, many Ukrainians joined the Nazis in the fight against the USSR during the war and tens of thousands of Ukrainians fled their homeland in 1944 as the Red Army retook Western Ukraine.

    Lviv (Lwów in pre-war Poland): the massacres in this city began immediately after German attack, on June 22 and continued until June 28, culminating in the Lviv pogroms. The NKVD executed several thousand inmates in a number of provisional prisons….In the aftermath, medical students described the scene at one of the prisons: “From the courtyard, doors led to a large space, filled from top to bottom with corpses. The bottom ones were still warm. The victims were between 15 and 60 years old, but most were 20-35 years old. They laid in various poses, with open eyes and masks of terror on their faces. Among them were many women. On the left wall, three men were crucified, barely covered by clothing from their shoulders, with severed male organs. Underneath them on the floor in half-sitting, leaning positions – two nuns with those organs in their mouths. The victims of the NKVD’s sadism were killed with a shot in the mouth or the back of the head. But most were stabbed in the stomach with a bayonet. Some were naked or almost naked, others in decent street clothes. One man was in a tie, mostly likely just arrested.

    ::::::::::::

    And concerning who I am descended from, as I have said before that man in particular had no sons and that means that I cannot be descended from him. He could not pass his genes to me.

    Sovok believes he did not get genes from his own great-grandfather.

    The Red Army never killed and raped civilians.

    Liar lies again.

    Neither Lenin nor Stalin ever perpetrated a genocide

    See above.

    Let alone a genocide against people of a different ethnicity as did Bandera

    Stalin killed more Poles than did Bandera:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD

    “The Polish Operation of the NKVD (Soviet security service) in 1937–1938 was an anti-Polish mass-ethnic cleansing operation of the NKVD carried out in the Soviet Union against Poles (labeled by the Soviets as “agents”) during the period of the Great Purge. It was ordered by the Politburo of the Communist Party against the so-called “Polish spies” and customarily interpreted by the NKVD officials as relating to ‘absolutely all Poles’. It resulted in the sentencing of 139,835 people, and summary executions of 111,091 Poles living in or near the Soviet Union.”

    • Replies: @Yahya
    , @Here Be Dragon
  380. Mikhail says: • Website

    Zelensky Revelation

    Adding to the below, the Kiev regime Kharkov counteroffensive likely resulted in a significantly greater number of its forces getting killed than their opponent. Hospitals in regime held territory are known to be overwhelmed with their wounded fighters.

    https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2022/08/28/lead-us-not-into-destitution/comment-page-2/#comment-79300

    Moscow Exile
    September 17, 2022 at 8:27 am

    A. Nalgin (a_nalgin) wrote,
    2022-09-17 17:00:00

    On Zelensky’s shocking revelations: What Ukrainians do not know.

    Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky literally ran into the office, where representatives of Reuters were waiting for him, but with the energetic speed that only self-confident people allow. Or good actors. Its entire appearance indicated that Kiev pays huge amounts of money to image makers. The picture literally screamed: “Hey, look! This guy in a \$ 25 khaki polo shirt and equally cheap sneakers is now giving a beating to a Russian “old man” who does not get out of black Brioni suits made to order”.

    But then “Ze President” started talking. And after a few minutes, it became clear that the image is nothing, and no consultant will deliver a political gift. Because having relaxed in the company of friendly journalists and, probably, partially losing control (for reasons that are not entirely clear), Vladimir Zelensky clearly blurted out too much

    What did he say?

    Not so much: the interview wasn’t the longest. But it is interesting to note that Vladimir Zelensky actually admitted that :

    1. the recent” counter-offensive ” was not military, but PR in nature. Its main task was to support the flow of Western arms supplies. Literally: “I am convinced that the supply of foreign weapons to the Ukraine would have been reduced if Kiev had not launched a counter-offensive. I think this is a very important step that has influenced or will continue to influence the decisions of some other countries.” ([I] had been convinced that foreign weapons supplies to the Ukraine would have fallen if Kiev had not launched its counter-offensive. And I think this is a very important step that influenced, or will influence, the decisions of certain other countries).

    [Here you can add that the Ukrainian government pedals the theme of “getting back 3 thousand sq.kms” of territory. But it is appropriate to recall that the entire area of the Ukraine is more than 600 thousand sq. kms, of which one-fifth or one-sixth is controlled by the “allied forces”. In other words, only 0.5% of the total area and about 2-3% were “got back”. But-peremoga!]

    2. In the military sense, this “counter-offensive” did not turn the tide, and the game “is still not approaching the endgame, and the “war” coming to an end” (literally: [I] lauded Ukraine’s rapid counter-offensive but it’s early to talk about an end to this war).

    3. Despite all the “successes” of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine, Russia has captured more Ukrainian soldiers than the Ukraine has Russian prisoners of war (in the source: Russia was holding more Ukrainian soldiers in custody than Ukraine had Russian POWs).

    4. The West has almost exhausted its ability to supply military equipment for the Armed Forces of the Ukraine, so Kiev would like more weapons from other countries (literally: “We should like more help from Turkey, we should like more help from South Korea. More help from the Arab world. From Asia”).

    5. In the north-east of the Ukraine, first of all in Izyum, a new “bloody soap opera” is being prepared on the model of Bucha (this is exactly what the original says: “a bloody soap opera after Bucha”), although there is no unambiguous evidence for Bucha. Literally: “There is some evidence, and assessments are being conducted, Ukrainian and international, and this is very important for us, for the world to recognize this”.

    Perhaps this is a case when any questions are unnecessary?

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  381. sher singh says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Does ‘English’ include jewish trannies?

  382. @china-russia-all-the-way

    Since August 2021, Lithuanian authorities have stopped releasing data on migrants processed and accepted to stay in Lithuania while making an asylum claim. The counter stopped at 4,000 migrants. Lithuania sometimes makes statements on the number of migrants stopped and sent back at the border. Lack of consistent info makes it hard to track the stop and start of migrant waves. That’s bad for Lithuanians because of the lack of clear data on the true cost for Lithuania of antagonizing Russia. You have leaders who work for the US/NATO and subordinate the interest of keeping Lithuania a homogenous society.

    Sounds like usual regurgitated croaks from RF propjunk as all the relevant mentioned stats and graphs were never discontinued and are published daily – today the number of processed and accepted to stay is 4498, so after pushbacks were legalized roughly half thousand managed to slip through, while around 15k (8k in 2021, 7k in 2022) were turned back since 2021-08-03 when pushbacks started.

    https://osp.stat.gov.lt/neteiseta-migracija-dashboard
    http://www.pasienis.lt/lit/Neileistu-migrantu-statistika

    Out of those accumulated 4,5k who slipped inside LT according to stats of 2022 September 18, 1040 already have been flown back into homelands with LT providing tickets for free, 1400 are still living in the camps, 1300 bolted out, absolutely legal and finished asylum status were given just to 138 persons according to the data given in 2022 July, so there is some data lag of several months about the fate of remaining 758 persons atm.

  383. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The first step would be enshrining the idea that, for example, England is the special homeland of the English.

    This is a pretty challenging.

    You would need to move away from one understanding of the nation, as a collection of individuals, the ‘idea of a nation conceived as an aggregation of free and equal individuals’ to something else.

    But I think this idea that a nation is a political structure whose purpose is to enable rational individuals to mutually maximise their freedom and autonomy is very influential, often in a tacit way, throughout the portion of the UK population that has been through higher education.

    The Baltic states were maybe able to define their states as ethnic homelands because of certain special factors; unique languages, nation building projects from the late 19th and early 20th century, ethnic homogeneity and weirdly, part of the inheritance of Leninism.

    At the moment, the current tendency in the Anglo sphere seems to be for the more progressively minded to put their trust in black blood and African soil as the basis for the more perfect realisation of the Enlightenment ideal of perfect solidarity plus maximal individual freedom and autonomy within the nation state.

    This is quite messed up, but imo a strong current to go against.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  384. LondonBob says:
    @S

    In what sense did ‘the UK’ use Poland. Poland acted their usual dumb way cheered on by the Roosevelt administration, some things never change.

    • Replies: @S
  385. LondonBob says:
    @AnonfromTN

    As Bill Kristol would explain an aggressive foreign policy is good for Israel, traditionally the US had hardly any military and minded their own business.

  386. LondonBob says:
    @Dmitry

    The British Army was a complete disaster in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

  387. S says:
    @AnonfromTN

    As an American taxpayer, I am asking why the US has a greater “defense” budget than the rest of the world combined.

    A picture is worth a thousand words as they say. [I’ve included a brief excerpt with link from the (generally unknown) 1853 book The New Rome; or, the United States of the World.]

    ‘Let her raise her banner of stars over land and sea, the token of perdition to the despots and redemption to the peoples, who may be convinced: In hoc signo vinces!’

    ‘The time is past for comparing man to the vermin on the leaf, of which each species can only infest its particular plant. History now advances with great strides, to hasten on the day when all the nations of the earth shall be one people, united in a single state.*’

    ‘No longer a circumscribed portion of lands, the new “orbis terrarum” shall encircle the globe; and as ancient Rome assembled all the gods of her empire in a single Pantheon, so shall the ideas of all nations be marshalled into unity.’

    ‘The signs of the times are clear and unmistakable, and “The New Rome” awakens to her task, and is resolved upon its execution. Let her raise her banner of stars** over land and sea, the token of perdition to the despots and redemption to the peoples, who may be convinced: In hoc signo vinces!’*** The New Rome; or, the United States of the World (1853) – pg 119

    * ‘a single state’ – ie ‘The United States of the World’ aka ‘the New Rome’
    ** ‘banner of stars’ – The US flag.
    *** ‘In hoc signo vinces’ – In this sign thou shalt conquer.

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/118/mode/2up

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @S
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
  388. S says:
    @S

    An addendum to the previous post. From it’s very inception, the United States (ie the self described ‘New Rome’) consciously modeled itself upon ancient Rome, and it’s history since has point by point uncannily followed the original Rome’s history.

    Some examples amongst others:

    The land carefully chosen to construct Washington DC upon had a hundred years prior been called ‘Rome’ complete with it’s own ‘Tiber’ running through it. (See top link below)

    Just as Rome had it’s Varus who was annihilated by the barbarian tribes losing their standards (later recovered in punitive expeditions), so too did the New Rome in the form of Custer and his command being wiped out by ‘barbarian tribes’ at Little Big Horn, losing their standards (ie the US calvary guidons), which were also later recovered in the paralleling crushing punitive expeditions which followed.

    In real time, just as Rome had it’s First Triumvirate (ie Crassus, Pompey, and Caesar) and civil war which followed as it transitioned from a republic to a dictatorship, so too has the New Rome had a close parallel in the form of the recent past administration, ie Trump, Pompeo, and Kushner, and the incessant talk of ‘civil war’ in the midst of a blatantly stolen election. (See Unz ‘comment’ link below for further elaboration.)

    https://www.alison-morton.com/2015/06/21/rome-and-washington-dc/

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-195/#comment-5525507

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n15/mode/2up

  389. S says:
    @LondonBob

    In what sense did ‘the UK’ use Poland. Poland acted their usual dumb way cheered on by the Roosevelt administration, some things never change.

    Taking advantage of Polish desperation and foibles, they were knowingly given security guarantees that couldn’t realistically be honored. I say US/UK as since 1900 and the formation of the ‘special relationship’ between them, the United States and United Kingdom have essentially acted as one.

    The Poles were cynically used as a pawn (and left an ash heap afterwards) to get at far bigger fish.

    The same is being done today using the Ukrainians as the pawn this time around.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  390. @S

    In 2008 Ron Paul ran for president on the message that she ain’t gonna take much more of this Captain. Job one shut down all these bases we can’t afford.

    He was enormously popular and active measures were taken to destroy him and they would have killed him if needed.

    • Replies: @S
  391. Wokechoke says:
    @S

    The Poles seem to enjoy this role.

    • Agree: S
  392. Wokechoke says:
    @216

    There’s got to be a word for this sort of spectacular dangerous delusion.

  393. @Coconuts

    At the moment, the current tendency in the Anglo sphere seems to be for the more progressively minded to put their trust in black blood and African soil as the basis for the more perfect realisation of the Enlightenment ideal of perfect solidarity plus maximal individual freedom and autonomy within the nation state.

    People in the professional middle class, which is where basic liberal progressivism gets its actual power from, are often caricatures of “whiteness.” They are sober, industrious, logical, but also often joyless and rigid.

    Their psychological imbalance, caused by the demands of “faking these things until you probably identify with, and become, these things,” in order to have PMC career success, extracts a heavy cost.

    For some of these cerebral individuals, this means projecting their hidden sense of joy onto the worst behaved blacks, who, like when riotting for George Floyd, typify Dionysian excess.

    For others, it involves experiencing their own joy through the joy of five year old black girls excited over black Ariel.

    And for the extremely rigid, so Apollonian they’re toxic, it involves going full Dionysius, killing themselves, and relaunching their public image as a woman, like “Martine” Rothblatt. You know if he could get you to see him as a black women, along the lines of Beyonce, he most certainly would.

    Once you start to project on a group as a representation of the inner child-like joy, that you can no longer let yourself know is inside of you, you will become immensely protective of that group. You will also find it impossible to see them as having agency as they are now an object to you. Everybody engages in this stuff, to a greater or lesser degree, but PMCs are so uniformly rigid and powerful, because they’re also competent and reliable, that they’re particular psychological imbalance is having a huge effect.

    And you might say “well they know that Kendi is an idiot and that the 16 whatever project is facile, and that complaints about hair complimenting are beneath contempt, and you’d be right, they’d certainly never be able to entertain such unreasonableness in themselves, but the parents at the kidnergarten play don’t perceive awful acting, of the type they’d not tolerate in themselves, they perceive joy, freedom and ebullience and revel in it, because it is theirs, but they don’t have to admit it.

    So yes, going against this current, which essentially requires the healing of the personality flaws of the most intelligent and articulate members of society, who are therefore most capable of defending their image of themselves, is HARD.

    But at least we can start with identifying it.

    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Coconuts
  394. Armenia, a CSTO member, gets invaded. Asks Russia for support, which CSTO should guarantee, but gets refused because Russia obviously doesn’t have the capability. So America steps in to save Armenia. That’s like if China invaded Canada and the US refused to help, and Russia saved them instead. Mind-blowing.

    And let’s be honest, this, along with the 50,000 dead Russian boys, with many more maimed both physically and psychologically, is all for war aims so illusory that no one can actually give a concrete and specific list.

    Wtf is Putin doing?

    Is this worth another year, another 50,000, more, a further collapse in Russia’s standing? For what? DeNazification? Wtf does that even mean?!?!

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Dmitry
  395. Mr. Hack says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Is this worth another year, another 50,000, more, a further collapse in Russia’s standing? For what? DeNazification? Wtf does that even mean?!?!

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  396. Yahya says:
    @AP

    A Christmas song based on Ukrainian peasant music is one of the most treasured Christmas songs in the world, far more beloved than any song ever made by a Romanian. Tchaikovsky also used some Ukrainian folk songs in his music, such as his second symphony.

    Ukrainian folk music is an undiscovered treasure. I’ve been exploring it throughout the previous months since the war started and became captivated with the delightful Ukrainian folk melodies. I put it alongside Algerian Chaabi and Greek Éntekhno music as being the best of its kind.

    This is a compilation of famous Cossack songs, performed I believe by a Bandurist Choir. The Diatonic Bandura here is the centerpiece of execution alongside the choir. The Bandera reminds me of the Greek Bouzouki in terms of its role in creating a unique national sound for its respective nationalities. Their tone color is also rather similar, though the Bouzouki is more extroverted and buoyant than the Bandura; perhaps owing to their differences in climate and national character (Greeks of course being an upbeat Mediterranean nationality, whereas Ukrainians are more frigid ice people). The Bandura compensates though with more melodic content and a thicker texture.

    This is my favorite Ukrainian folk song “There Stands A High Mountain”. I first heard it in one of Kvitka Cisyk’s albums under the title of “Youth Does Not Return”; though I like this rendition by Olga and Natalia Pasichnyk a bit better. The piano here is substituted for the Bandera, and the vocal style is classical operatic; so I’m not sure if it qualifies as a folk song or is rather more of a lied in the Western classical tradition. The piece is nevertheless hauntingly beautiful.

    I am surprised you haven’t mentioned Ukraine’s greatest composer Mykola Lysenko in your spats with the Dragon Man. I suppose though that since he is of aristocratic Cossack extraction, he doesn’t qualify as a peasant musician. He isn’t very famous outside Ukraine, perhaps owing to the fact that his music is mostly ethnocentric, but he’s still one of the best. I came across him randomly when I was browsing through Tatiana Primak-Khoury’s (a Ukrainian pianist living in Lebanon) channel on Youtube. These two pieces are my favorites of his:

    Some others include the “Separation Waltz”, “Oriental Melody”, and “Valse Brilliante”.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @sher singh
  397. Why Do Russians Love Adidas

    https://fashionandmash.com/why-do-russians-love-adidas/

    (Nike corporation has joined the sanction club.)

  398. German_reader says:

    The debate over weapons shipments to Ukraine has entered a new phase in Germany. Ukraine is now demanding modern Leopard 2 tanks, and the Greens, under the leadership of that stupid cunt Baerbock, are supporting that demand (because “Ukraine is now so close to defeating Russia anyway, and the ongoing atrocities in the occupied territories need to be stopped”). This is a significant change, talk used to be rather about ancient Leopard 1 tanks and Marder infantry fighting vehicles which were supposedly just standing around on some scrapyard. Since claims of that kind are completely implausible for Leopard 2 tanks, these demands essentially amount to Germany just handing over a significant part of the Bundeswehr’s tank force which is in active use.
    The supporters of such a move usually don’t explicitly state it, but one can only conclude that they think Russia is no real threat to NATO and that there’s no danger of a Russian attack on the Baltic states. Which might of course be true enough, given the not terribly convincing performance of the Russian army in this war so far, but still at odds with a lot of their other talking points.
    SPIEGEL had a story about it yesterday, including speculations what’s behind Scholz’s “timidity”…apparently there’s a rumor going around in political circles in Berlin that back in March Putin threatened Scholz with a nuclear strike, if Germany delivers modern battle tanks to Ukraine. Scholz denies that, and it seems hardly credible to me. It’s an interesting thought experiment though what would actually happen if Russia did something like this, since Germany herself has no means of retaliation at all.

    • Replies: @S
    , @LondonBob
  399. @AP

    You don’t like Jews either, despite being partially Jewish.

    Your words: “Yiddish is disgusting, even more than German. As is disgusting the Ashkenazi cuisine, and in fact most other things Ashkenazi, including people.”

    According to the Jewish law I am considered one hundred percent Jewish.

    That does not mean that I am supposed to admire the Jewish culture and religion in general. The Jewish people of various diasporas come from different ethnic origins. I do like the Yemenite and the Sephardic Jews, and I do like the Czech and the Romanian Jews. Sometimes I do like the Polish Jews.

    But I do not like the Russian, Ukrainian and American Jews because of their messianic radicalism and their support of the Chabad sect. I do not like the Ashkenazi cuisine the same as I do not like the German cuisine to which the former is related. I do not like the Ashkenazi Klezmer music because it descended from the Polish folk music and I do not like it either.

    What is the problem? I am not a tribalist idiot, like you.

    I do not like Yiddish because it is a dialect of German and I do not like German either. It is not the true Jewish language. And I do not like the modern Hebrew because it is a distorted version of the original. But I do like the real Hebrew and I do like the Ladino language of the Sephardic Jews since I like Spanish of which it is a dialect.

    Enescu was born and raised in a village but you dishonestly imply that he was a peasant when he was descended on both sides of his family from priests.

    The father of his mother was a priest and his own father was a landholder, but he was born and raised in a village among peasants.

    Ukrainian peasants don’t play violins and accordions? Did you lie when you claimed to have been brought up in western Ukraine? A Ukrainian folk song with fiddle.

    No I did not lie.

    Unlike you I did indeed live in Ukraine and know a thing or two about it. You are a clown from America who has visited Ukraine a few times and considers he knows more than I do.

    You do not know a thing.

    From the look of this man it is obvious that he is not a Ukrainian. He comes from a small but distinct ethnic group called the Hutsuls. These people live in the southmost area of the western Ukraine and in the north of Romania. The music that he is playing is a lot closer to the traditional Romanian than to the Ukrainian music.

    You are a tone-deaf idiot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutsuls

    That man lived in a village located 20 km from the Romanian border. The regular Ukrainian peasants are too stupid to master a violin.

    And accordion!

    The Ukrainian peasants drink that stinking moonshine and sing. Unlike them, the Romanian peasants make excellent wine and traditionally play violines and accordions.

    But that is not an accordion, you ignorant retard. And that anthropoid is not playing it, whatever that is. One can teach a chimpanzee play like that.

    A Christmas song based on Ukrainian peasant music is one of the most treasured Christmas songs in the world, far more beloved than any song ever made by a Romanian.

    How do you know it, clown? Ever heard a Romanian song or is there a list of the most treasured Christmas songs in the world? Either way, it does not matter.

    One prominent and the most notable trait of the Ukrainian people is their complete musical and cultural impotence. Having several centuries of national history these people have not produced even one writer, composer or musician of the international grade.

    It is genetic – a good tree brings good fruits, but a bad tree does not.

    Tchaikovsky also used some Ukrainian folk songs in his music, such as his second symphony.

    Tchaikovsky was a genius and could use whatever he wanted and turn it into something else entirely, but in that particular symphony he used two southern Russian songs.

    From your favorite source.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._2_(Tchaikovsky)

    “A solo horn playing a Ukrainian variant of Down by Mother Volga sets the atmosphere for this movement.”

    Do you know that Volga is not in Ukraine, dumbass?

    So you grew up in Ukraine and think you are better than Ukrainian peasants. But as a Soviet you aren’t better than anyone.

    The Soviet people created the most progressive state on the planet, led the humanity into space and developed the greatest school of art. The Soviet ballet, orchestral music and literature were better or at least on a par with the best other cultures in the world.

    And on top of that the Soviet people were more moral than other nations. The Soviet women preserved their innocene till marriage and the morality that the people followed was not derived from religion and the fear of eternal damnation in Hell, but for the sake of being moral.

    The people of the Soviet Union were orders of magnitude better in terms of morality compared to the decadent and pornographic nation of America.

    The claim of a liar. You mention it [pornography] so often that it is on your mind.

    I will mention it as often as I need and will stick it up in your face again and again when you continue talking about high morality of your perverse nation.

    Shame on you! You belong to a people that made child molestation a legal business. Due to you the children in most other countries are being morally perverted before they grow up.

    According to the chart, per capita the UK and Canada consume more pornography than does the USA.

    No wonder.

    There is a large share of Spanish-speaking people in the US, as well as Asian people. These people are not so decadent as the white Americans as is obvious from the chart. The UK and Canada have larger share of the Anglo-Saxon population – that is, of the most immoral people in the world.

    216 caught you dishonestly using that chart. It’s a a search for an English-language word in English. It will of course emphasize English-speaking people.

    He is an idiot as much as you are.

    It is obvious from the column on the right that all languages were taken into account.

    The Americans are obsessed with perversions and depravity, which they are cultivating with these movies, and then are spreading it throughout the world.

    Your entire society was built on theft from nobles and peasants, along with killing them.

    If by “nobles” you mean the people who did not work and lived in large estates exploiting the labor of the peasants, that were born in debt to them because their villages were on their land, than it was the best thing that had ever happened in history.

    The expropriation of the expropriators.

    As for the alleged theft from peasants you are displaying once again your deep schizophrenia. One could not steal from those who did not have a thing.

    You are proud of Lenin and Stalin, thieves and murderers. So you have no right to complain when people with your shared Soviet morality stole from you.

    The people who stole from us hated the Soviet Union and betrayed the Soviet morality. Such people as your family relatives from Moscow.

    They were anti-Soviet – in their own words. No wonder that they have relatives like you!

    A liar makes claims about what this [the Red Terror] is. I’d rather use published sources.

    Did I not post a screenshot of a Russian newspaper which was indeed published – unlike the propagandist piece of crap that you are trying to refute it with?

    A serious historical research will confirm what I said, because it is a documented fact. The Red Terror was a legislation that lasted two months in 1918, during the critical phase of the Civil War, and was a response to the White Terror, which had begun before it.

    Dumbass schizophrenic.

    The liar lies again. Russian wiki: Гражданская война в России (1918–1922). Cambridge History of Russia: The Russian civil war, 1917–1922.

    The so-called Russian Wiki is an American website.

    I do not care what the American quasi-historians write and publish. That the Civil War ended in 1920 is the official opinion of the Soviet and the Russian historians, and it is up to them to decide it and not up to you.

    You don’t know basic facts about Russian history. Or, more likely, you are just lying as usual.

    The Russian Civil War ended in 1920 when 98% of the Russian territories were conquered by the Red Army and 98% of the White Guard had been defeated.

    There was insurgency of Makhno in Ukraine and a few minor battles in the Far East in 1921 and 1922 but that is not considered a part of the Civil War which had ended before that, because it did not affect the peaceful life outside of those regions.

    The same as the Great Patriotic War or the WW2 is considered to end on the 9th of May 1945, though there were battles in the Far East after that.

    The reason it is considered that the Russian Civil War ended in 1920 is that the martial law was then cancelled and peace had been established on the entire territory of Russia save for a few minor and remote regions in the Far East.

    So your great-grandfather chose to serve the Soviet state as a police officer arresting people while the Civil War was ongoing, during the last year of the Red Terror.

    For a schizophrenic perhaps even so despite that the factual and well documented circumstances were different.

    For a schizophrenic it does not matter – he lives in the world of his sick imagination.

    It ran labor camps and prisons also. [The NKVD of the 1920s was the name of the Soviet ministry of interior.]

    As does any ministry of interior of any country, including yours.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Prisons

    “The Federal Bureau of Prisons is a United States federal law enforcement agency under the Department of Justice.”

    And the amount of people that your fascist and pornographic country is keeping in prisons is far greater than what any other country has ever had.

    You belong to the most regressive and degenerate society on earth. China has 400% of the population size of the US and 16% of the size of the prison population of the United States.

    Your country is a murderous and criminal regime. So piss off you dumbass.

    Liar lies again. Those people in Lwow were acting out of blind grief and rage.

    Those people were smiling and laughing, and having fun.

    That is because those people were then indulging their natural inclinations and spiritual disposition – of murder and torture of innocent people for being different and better than them.

    That was not the first time the Ukrainians slaughtered innocent and peaceful Jewish people.

    I provided the full story to the pictures you posted. This is what happened right before those murders. You defend the Stalinist regime that did this. That’s all anyone needs to know about your morality.

    “The first known reports of the NKVD prison massacres appeared in German newspapers in the first week of July 1940 [!] and described scenes of family members searching through thousands of tortured corpses.

    An unattributed [!] report from Berlin reported that victims in L’viv were crowded into cells where they were either shot or had their stomachs cut open.”

    That was atrocities propaganda, imbecile.

    The truth is that those prisoners who were supposed to get a death sentence were executed and the rest of the prisoners were freed.

    Nor would it be an argument in their defence if that had indeed happened as described in that slandering piece of crap. The Jewish citizens had nothing to do with it no matter how it happened. There were no Jews in the Soviet government at the time, save for a couple of people and the NKVD was managed by Lavrentiy Beria, who was not Jewish.

    You are defending those murderers because you and them are of the same blood.

    Sovok believes he did not get genes from his own great-grandfather.

    Were you indeed a medic you would have known that women do not have male genes and do not pass them therefore to their children. You do not have the genes of even your maternal grandfather, let alone your great-grandfather through a female lineage.

    You are not a medic. You are a lying schizophrenic.

    Stalin killed more Poles than did Bandera.

    Another piece of propagandist shit. All of the sources are either American or the Russian NGO Memorial funded by the CIA.

    Go play somewhere boy, I am busy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  400. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    …However when you’re in Europe, you have failed if you don’t achieve European standards.

    Serbia is in Europe. NATO brutally attacked sovereign Serbia, bombing the infrastructure to smithereens, murdering civilians, and the civilized Europeans with their standards celebrated. Until you explain that attack you have absolutely no ground to stand on. At least try.

    English actually rewarded Blair for being a mad bomber – if you can’t explain that, stay out of others’ business. That is the opposite of humble, you seem to live in your own narcissistic universe where only one side (yours) is ever heard or has any rights. You also no longer have the power to enforce it and it is quite visibly collapsing around you.

    It is beyond hypocrisy. It is your ‘anglo’ sense of entitlement, that the West has privileges to do what others are never allowed. It is not sustainable. Ukies are being sacrificed by the West to delay this inevitable change – there will no longer be a one-sided Western privilege. Get used to it, you screwed up, you broke your own rules.

  401. German_reader says:

    https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/interstate-375-detroit-racist-infrastructure-rcna47912?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

    The Biden administration is capping off the president’s recent trip to Michigan, focused largely on worker rights and transportation innovation, by handing out its first federal grant to dismantle a highway built to perpetuate racial discrimination.

    The move is part of the Biden administration’s broader effort to remake America’s infrastructure to be more equitable, including addressing racist roads that were designed to facilitate white flight and deprive Black communities of housing and commercial opportunities.

    lol, no escape to the suburbs allowed anymore.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  402. I am curious whether Pentagon publicized the number of military deaths in recent months. The reason is that the US sent to Ukraine pretty sophisticated weapons systems like HIMARS and HASAMS, which can be operated only by trained personnel. So, with the probability >95% these are operated by American crews. It follows that the majority of the US military deaths would be those killed in action in Ukraine. Is there publicly available statistics of the US military deaths broken down by months (so that the dynamics in 2022 can be followed), or is this info withheld? Or maybe Pentagon is simply lying? Anybody knows?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  403. @German_reader

    lol, no escape to the suburbs allowed anymore.

    People are like water, they will find a way. Normal people won’t live in gang-infested crime-ridden neighborhoods no matter what libtards do.

  404. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    In 2008 Ron Paul ran for president on the message that she ain’t gonna take much more of this Captain. Job one shut down all these bases we can’t afford.

    Yes, I remember him very well.

    He was enormously popular..

    That he was. Ron Paul had a huge financial war chest from the many people who liked what he was saying, or simply wanted some type of an alternative, and was then ruthlessly shut down.

    ..and active measures were taken to destroy him and they would have killed him if needed.

    Yes, they (League of Women Voters) violated their own rules by not letting Ron Paul participate in the critically important debates. The corporate mass media shut him out too. Perot as a third party candidate got similarly harsh treatment.

    Clearly they want people to stay on the two party system reservation, which is much easier to control than third and fourth party wild cards.

    Paul’s treatment (in particular) just reinforces my belief that the US two party system (manifesting as Republican vs Democrat since mid 19th century) is, and likely always was, a farce.

    Of course, I go a bit farther in thinking that what they derived from (ie the Capitalism vs Communism dialectic) was born in the minds of men residing in late 18th century London, and first manifest itself in the American and French revolutions of 1776 and 1789 respectively, and being broadly controlled and guided (crimethink, I know) from that time, was also a farce.

    To be sure, and with all due respect, this was a deadly farce for the many millions who fell in what I what I refer to as the 20th Century’s ‘Dialectical Wars’ fought across the globe between Capitalism and Communism in China, Korea, Vietnam, Russia, and the numerous other smaller conflicts of this nature during the time of the Cold War.

    It makes sense, too, that this manufactured Dialectic, which first manifest in the Capitalist American revolution of 1776, would go full circle and conclude in the very place it first started, ie in a Communist American revolution, which may well happen sooner than people might think.

    Anyhow, with Biden effectively having performed a coup via a blatently stolen election, and what is devolving more and more to simple one party rule in the United States, it would seem Frank Zappa may well have been something of a prophet all along.

    Who would of thought it?

    ‘You you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.’

    ‘The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.’ Frank Zappa

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12280-the-illusion-of-freedom-will-continue-as-long-as-it-s

  405. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @sudden death

    Interesting I stand corrected about daily statistics.

    However, Russia started sending African migrants to the border in July as a response.

  406. Sean says:
    @Wokechoke

    A coup de main was what was tried and extra troops would have hindered not helped with that. And they don’t want to throw troops at the Ukraine positions now, quite the opposite they are economising in use of infantry..

    It is extremely bad international PR and a gift to Ukraine’s enemy morale, but some small Russian withdrawals from established positions in the last day or two perhaps shows that Putin has given the Russian army generals carte blanche for politically embarrassing military rationale decisions such as disengaging where the local dispositions and situation warrants it.

    Ukraine’s gains likely made a certain limited areas untenable no matter how well fortified, so the Russian general commanding that sector got to withdraw and straighten his line out. Putin gives the army a job to do and lets them get on with it. Generals that screw up get sacked, but if they are not rigidly controlled apart from that and left to get on with it, then the Russian army will be much more effective.

    I think Russia is minimising regular army casualties by using Wagner infantry after week long artillery bombardments. This means low casualties but snail like progress sustainable for years. The plan seems to be geared for years at the current level, and anticipating Ukraine’s civil society will being destablised by a war without end. And not just Ukraine from there spreading West

  407. @AnonfromTN

    Is there publicly available statistics of the US military deaths broken down by months, or is this info withheld?

    Those people are disguised as mercenaries and therefore would not be included in the statistics.

    The Russians estimate there are between 10 and 20 thousand of foreign troops now fighting in Ukraine. Of course the HIMARS crews are Americans.

    There are a lot of snipers from the US as well.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  408. German_reader says:

    Hindus and Muslims battling each other in Leicester:
    https://sw1forum.substack.com/p/sw1-bitesize-the-leicester-riots

    • Thanks: S
  409. @Here Be Dragon

    Those people are disguised as mercenaries and therefore would not be included in the statistics.

    Thanks! No surprise there. All US policy, foreign and domestic, as well as all demagoguery about democracy and human rights, is based on lies.

    • Agree: Here Be Dragon
  410. S says:
    @German_reader

    The debate over weapons shipments to Ukraine has entered a new phase in Germany. Ukraine is now demanding modern Leopard 2 tanks, and the Greens, under the leadership of that stupid cunt Baerbock, are supporting that demand..

    They are reflecting the same overweening hubris of the US/UK elites and hangers on that are giving them their orders. I think the venerable chancellor Bismarck had the better way.

    ..there’s a rumor back in March Putin threatened Scholz with a nuclear strike, if Germany delivers modern battle tanks to Ukraine…what would actually happen if Russia did something like this, since Germany herself has no means of retaliation at all.

    The US/UK would use this as an opportunity to launch a nuclear strike upon Russia, very possibly (probably?) full blown from the start.

    I take them at their word about the 500 million population thing, which a world war would lend easy cover to attempt to accomplish. They’ve already floated in the US what (they think) will be their ‘get out of jail free card’, ie a ‘truth and reconciliation commission’, for the vast crimes they would have to commit to accomplish that.

    I also think many of these US/UK elites and hangers on probably do (as the rumors attest) have extensive well stocked and deep underground bunkers located in various places of the ‘Global South’ that they can shelter in indefinitely. Add to that, there’s a palpable tremendous hubris in the United States, which if a person lives here, you can readily sense.

    I think Putin and Xi are both, to varying degrees, controlled opposition, as I think Zelensky, Trump, and Biden are, so I wouldn’t put much stock in any of them. They are simply too close (imo) to achieving their long sought after world state/empire to leave anything to chance. That doesn’t mean not to stoutly resist these things, perhaps in some non-traditional way(s), to the very end.

    As they say, it’s not over until the fat lady sings, and the best laid plans of mice and men..

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  411. @S

    I also think many of these US/UK elites and hangers on probably do (as the rumors attest) have extensive well stocked and deep underground bunkers located in various places of the ‘Global South’ that they can shelter in indefinitely.

    There are serious problems with this. People don’t live indefinitely. Their children don’t live indefinitely, either. Machinery does not work indefinitely, including air purification machinery. In addition to air, food, and water, their children would need to breed.

    But maybe current elites are even dumber than I think.

  412. Mr. Hack says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Your reliance on photos that may or may not be genuine, ascribed to a very small segment of Ukraine’s population during WWII, as somehow being representative of Ukraine’s population today, just shows the paucity of genuine intelligent arguments you hold. Using the very same photos over and over again, is starting to become very, very boring and only serves to emphasize that among all of the other things that AP has accused you of, you’re becoming a world class bore. You should go back to imbibing all manner of hallucinogenic drugs and report back to us how very, very helpful they’ve become for your mental development. 🙂

    The Dragon Man unable to sell us anything new? What a bore!

  413. @AnonfromTN

    If you have ever worked on an oil platform or a large ship you learn within 24 hours that a home where the buffalo roam and deer-antelope play is about 30 billion times better. But these people with bunker plans have never done such a job and hence the utter stupidity.

    That isn’t an excuse though because all of this information is readily available in a library or on the internet if you would take one minute to search for it.

    Captain Kirk and Mr Spock have really crappy jobs.

  414. Mr. Hack says:

    Wrapping up the new phase of the war, where the “Ukies” are kicking some serious Russian dupa, Rock Rachon provides the Polish perspective. He states that 6,000 square kilometers have been liberated by the Ukrainian forces in the Kharkiv region, and also seldomly perceived 500 square kilometers in the Kherson region. ! Every square kilometer is significant!

    • LOL: Mikhail
  415. S says:

    There are serious problems with this. People don’t live indefinitely.

    No. No problems at all. And, yes people do live indefinitely in the sense of 60, 70, 80, maybe a 100 years, etc.

    I’m using ‘indefinitely’ in the sense of meaning ‘unspecified’ amount of time, as in many months, years, decades perhaps, possibly even multi-generational if they had to. Not in the sense of meaning ‘forever’.

    If a person has access to hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions, they can stock a shelter with enough, food, water, spare parts, and redundancy regarding heavier equipment, to do just what I’ve described.

    I don’t think they’re intending to stay in shelters for decades, however. Perhaps a few months. Maybe a very few years at the most.

    But maybe current elites are even dumber than I think.

    Plenty of dumbness amongst them, plenty of craziness too. I do allow for what might be termed an evil genius amongst some of them, however.

    And while I discount most of the 911 conspiracy theories, it does seem that some people did know beforehand, ie the airlines stocks being shorted, various powerful people saying afterwards they had been told to stay away from the vicinity of the towers that day.

    I think it may very well be the very same thing regarding any nuclear strikes. Certain powerful people, various elites, and hangers on, will be given a warning beforehand which cities will be struck, and depending, they may decide to go to one of those shelters located in the Global South that have been described, and stay there indefinitely, or, however long specifically they think necessary, with their designated friends and associates.

  416. @Mr. Hack

    WOW-WTF are you STILL doing here you idiot? Surely Queen Elizabeth of Britain dying has made clear to cuckholded ukronazi scum as you that there was never ever such a thing as “Ukrainian” or “Ukraine”?

    In a millennium long British monarchy there is not a single mention of any fake place called “Ukraine”, not ONE correspondence of British King or Queen with anybody representing “Ukraine”, or even writing the word “Ukraine”, not any desire for explorers on behalf of British Kingdom or military expedition to explore any land called “Ukraine” or study any imaginary people called “Ukrainians”, no map of any place produced by any British Royal cartographers of any place called “Ukraine”…. but a million mentioning Russia

    With great Russian civilisation relations with Britain are heavily interlocked you POS. Intense relations – at war and as partners for the last 500 years.

    400 years before, English Royal Navy unable to replace its fleet because of Russia banning exports of its wood, used to construct their ships

    Royal charters allowing merchant shipping routes in Russian seas, land routes, fur trade privileges for British, 100s of other trade partnerships of the last 5 centuries, technology transfer for centuries. Royalty of each country being culturally influenced by the other

    Jewels – one of the main thing people think about regarding monarchies. British Monarchy DOMINATED by Russian jewels. Vladimir tiara the Queens favourite jewelled piece, word by brides at big Royal Weddings. Many other tiaras and jewelled Koshelniks and Romanov brooches are main special jewellery worn by Royals at events. Some batshit covered in salo presented as “ancient Ukrainian wedding present” in Royal collection?

    Queen married to man with mother who was nun in Russian Orthodox Church- but I think,British dickheads place sanctions on Patriarch Kirill? Disgrace

    Only time Queen Elizabeth II seen delirious in public and only time she look like she didn’t sit on a cactus? ……
    the greatest moment in her public life when Kremlin school of riding performing their genius dzigitovka and Lipetsk Cossacks performed for her 60th anniversary. Serious joy on her.

    Intermarriage of Russian Prince with daughter of last Anglo-Saxon King in 11th century. Extensive intermarriage of Romanov and British Royal families in 19th century.
    Where the f**k is fake “Ukraine” in this. LMAO

    Russian Kontakion for the dead will be sung at her funeral, may even be the very last thing played before she is buried, the last thing her coffin “hears” – as it was for her Greek Orthodox born husband with Russian Orthodox nun mother.

    Most famous depiction of Queen Elizabeth in film done by White Emigree…… Yelena Mironova (Helen Mirren actress)

    There should and will be no “Ukraine”, there never was any “Ukraine” for your poisonous whore mother, Mr Hack….. and there is certainly nothing connecting 404 with British monarchy that should allow them any representation at funeral of Queen Elizabeth II

  417. @Mr. Hack

    Being a Ukrainian is a tough moral choice to make.

    Either one has to admit that he belongs to an impotent and incapable of doing good, disgusting murderous and barbaric tribe or one has to resort to lies and denial – that is the truth, and even the counselor of the president of Ukraine Arestovich has said it in front of a camera for the whole world to see and hear, that the nation of Ukraine is build on lies and nothing else but lies.

    No wonder that a weak and credulous person such as Mr Hack manages to stuff two variations of denial in one short sentence at once.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_(Freud)

    You must be feeling indeed uncomfortable when being reminded of the atrocities the Ukrainian people perpetrated. That is understandable. You and them are of the same blood.

    It must be hard being a Ukrainian, unless one is a complete moral freak such as that ape in a suit who even has appropriate initials – AP.

    Your reliance on photos that may or may not be genuine, ascribed to a very small segment of Ukraine’s population during WWII, as somehow being representative of Ukraine’s population today, just shows the paucity of genuine intelligent arguments you hold.

    Denial of fact is one of the most common forms of denial.

    The photographs were taken on the spot and afterwards some of the perpetrators were identified due to these photographs. No one has ever questioned whether these photographs are genuine for the location where those were taken is a well known area of the town.

    “At least two members of the OUN have been identified from photographs of the pogrom.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv_pogroms_(1941)

    Using the very same photos over and over again, is starting to become very, very boring and only serves to emphasize that among all of the other things that AP has accused you of, you’re becoming a world class bore.

    Your schizophrenic friend AP keeps telling me that those Ukrainians were outraged and shocked due to the execution of some Ukrainian prisoners that had been committed before that. So I am showing him again that his Ukrainian kin were smiling and laughing while beating innocent people with wooden batons on their head.

    And I will continue posting and reposting these photos as long as he continues slandering about the alleged immoral and violent character of the Soviet people and moral and peaceful character of his Ukrainian barbaric relatives.

    You should go back to imbibing all manner of hallucinogenic drugs and report back to us how very, very helpful they’ve become for your mental development.

    You should at least take notice that these photographs have credentials.

    “The action is taking place on a street then called Pompierska. Now that street is called Vesela, that is – Happy street.”

    “The scenes were photographed by a German camera crew; there is also a film of the abuse.”

    You should as well remember that I am not an entertainer and not selling whatever. You are therefore not in a good position here beside me and should perhaps put me on the block list. You will then stop seeing these photographs.

    What else a Ukrainian can do?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Mr. Hack
  418. German_reader says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    And I will continue posting and reposting these photos

    If you’re really obsessive enough to do so, at least have the decency to put them under the MORE tag, it’s getting rather annoying. Also baffling that you think going on and on about what Ukrainian peasants did 80 years ago adds much to the “discussion”.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @songbird
  419. @German_reader

    what Ukrainian peasants did 80 years ago

    It would have been interesting only to historians, if current Kiev regime did not make OUN-UPA, who perpetrated those crimes, as well as their bandit leaders Ukrainian national heroes. Their “Glory to Ukraine”- “Glory to heroes” (fully equivalent to “Heil Hitler’ – “Seig heil”, in case you are wondering) is now adopted by the regime. This is not a fluke: another figure from the past, Petliura, whose troops committed mass murder even before OUN-UPA, is also held in high esteem by the current regime.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  420. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Sure, that’s a legit criticism, but still, continually posting those lurid images gets on my nerves (and I doubt I’m the only one). And HereBeDragon seems to be labouring under the illusion that he’s somehow going to “win” his argument with AP if he’s just persistent/crass enough, which is just silly.

    Btw, regarding this
    “Their “Glory to Ukraine””
    is that Slava Ukraini phrase really tied to the nationalists of the 1940s? Hilarious if true, given how it’s been adopted by all those good European liberals…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @AP
  421. Mr. Hack says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    You must be feeling indeed uncomfortable when being reminded of the atrocities the Ukrainian people perpetrated. That is understandable. You and them are of the same blood.

    There are only four human blood types found on this planet, A, B, AB & O, shared by all the nations of the earth. Good and evil can be committed by carriers of any of these blood types There is no specific blood type for Ukrainians, nor even a specific genetic code, although I’ve read that many Poles, Byelorussian, Ukrainians and Russians share a similar DNA sequence. So, you see, you’re blowing smoke again within that lunatic fringe mind of yours.

    Sure, some Ukrainians committed war crimes during WWII, who didn’t living in Eastern Europe at that time? Trying to assign some sort of evil nature to Ukrainians by using the same old photos over and over is a fruitless exercise into the doldrums of analysis. Keep on posting them though, it seems like your way of getting some jollies into your miserable life. 🙁

  422. @German_reader

    is that Slava Ukraini phrase really tied to the nationalists of the 1940s? Hilarious if true, given how it’s been adopted by all those good European liberals…

    Yes, in Ukrainian it is “Slava Unkraini” – “Heroyam Slava”. It originated with OUN-UPA.

    I am sorry to say, but European “liberals” are about as liberal as I am a Martian. The same is true about American libtards, or libtards in any country, for that matter. Any libtard who is not a clinical idiot is a liar and a hypocrite.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Jazman
  423. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    It originated with OUN-UPA.

    According to Wiki (yeah, I know, not exactly reliable) it originated already in the short-lived independent Ukraine at the end of WW1. But it seems like it’s definitely a “contaminated” phrase given its use by OUN-UPA. I don’t think everybody (or even most of those) using it today in Ukraine has the kind of mindset Bandera’s people had in the 1940s, but there’s definitely rich irony in the fact that Western shitlibs now enthusiastically spout a phrase that has its origins in a rather extreme kind of the dreaded romantic nationalism.
    Anyway, thanks for bringing the connotations of the phrase to my attention.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  424. AP says:
    @German_reader

    Btw, regarding this
    “Their “Glory to Ukraine””
    is that Slava Ukraini phrase really tied to the nationalists of the 1940s

    The first part started in 1920, but the response Heroyim Slava was added by the Banderists. It became universal recently of course.

    Hilarious if true, given how it’s been adopted by all those good European liberals…

    Was the VW beetle beloved by the world’s hippies originally a Nazi project?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  425. German_reader says:
    @AP

    Was the VW beetle beloved by the world’s hippies originally a Nazi project?

    Of course it originally was and its name reflects that origin, but comparing a car to an ideologically charged phrase is somewhat silly. I get what you’re trying to say, that the phrase has changed its meaning and is now being used in support of the kind of tolerant civic nationalism EU liberals are fond of, and I suppose it’s possible that many Ukrainians understand it that way (Jewish Zelensky also uses the phrase after all)…but on the other hand, Bandera and his ilk are worshipped by quite a few Ukrainians. Ukraine’s charming ex-“ambassador” to my country has stated several times that Bandera is Ukraine’s national hero. Kind of an own goal, I would think. In any case, if this war ends with Ukraine being in some sort of relationship with the EU (provided the EU hasn’t imploded by then, which is far from from certain imo), the potential for misunderstandings and friction between EU libs and Ukrainians promises to be fun.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Beckow
  426. @German_reader

    it originated already in the short-lived independent Ukraine at the end of WW1.

    I would not be surprised if it originated in Petliura’s regime (that’s “Ukraine” that briefly existed after WWI) – his troops were exactly the same kind of mass murderers as OUN-UPA.

    • Replies: @AP
  427. Jazman says:
    @AnonfromTN

    “Slava Ukraini”
    It is like saying “Heil Hitler!”unironically?

  428. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    Sorry, but perhaps it would be good to write your debates with yourself and Here Be Dragon under the MORE tag as it’s scrolling repetitive idiotic maps of crime rates in Ukraine, importation of stupid slang to English discussion – this word “Sovok” (why mix untranslated stupid language, that sounds stupid, to an English forum where we have professional historians and people who can write beautiful English writing?), obsessive comments with stupid claims about pornography and its alleged national origin, generalizing group claims about the moral nature of the Ukrainian peasants etc. You can continue this debate with the MORE tag so we don’t need to read this?

    but this point is nonsense, as it has proven in this war.

    I’m not sure if you noticed the last 7 months of thousands of videos and demonstrations of chaotic, incompetent armies and crazy populations. This is kind of standard evidence that can be representative from both sides https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEtax2C9LSY.

    I had been writing here, that Ukraine in 2018 or 2020 or 2021 was nothing like the Ukraine of 2014, which you describe.

    There can be improvement compared to 2015 or 2016, of course. We know Ukraine has some NATO training courses and even improve the food for their minority numbers of professional soldiers they used in Donbass. https://antikor.com.ua/articles/179257-raznitsa_v_pitanii_poraziteljnaja._kak_otlichaetsja_menju_soldata_v_armii_nato_i_ukrainy

    But Mikel is writing about comparison to the British military, probably the most elite in the world.

    You can see articles and Ukrainian television reports for years, that soldiers buy their own equipment, wives are building amateur bodyarmor, soldiers do not know what to do.

    You can also see in the articles of Ukraine’s purchases, that it is buying e.g. 500 helmets. Or 1000 bodyarmor. For armies of tens of thousands.

    Ukraine’s military budget amounted to approximately 1.9 billion dollars, in 2015, it was 3.1 billion dollars…. funds are flowing not only toward the maintenance of the armed forces, but also toward the development of new capabilities.”

    It is little money, if you consider corruption included and the low quality of the weapons they could import from the West.

    United Kingdom’s military budget is \$60 billion.

    Martyanov mocked it and claimed that Russia would destroy Ukraine’s military in a few days.

    He’s probably not so inaccurate when he writes about Ukraine, the strange thing is he described Russia’s situation as contrast, rather than correlating with Ukraine. People actually still working in the army would know differently.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Mikel
  429. Dmitry says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    support, which CSTO should guarantee,

    Not really. Russia is an ally of Azerbaijan and Armenia. Azerbaijan has a border and a lot of leverage while Armenia is less important than Azerbaijan, at least after the 1990s. Other security treaty members are also usually more prioritizing relations with Azerbaijan than Armenia. Kazakhstan, Belarus are also allies with Azerbaijan.

    In 2020, there was no intervention in the tribal war of Azerbaijan and Armenia. I’m not recently congratulating decisions of the Russian government, but there was an correct decision in 2020, not to involve directly in another peoples’ tribal wars, except as peacemaking, although the solution should be to avoid tribal wars, not to copy them less than a couple years later.

  430. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    Have the Greens not looked at the carbon footprint of using Leopard 2 tanks?

    Been an upping of the propaganda on the Ukraine, clearly the lack of success and the increasing cost with winter starting is obviously alarming the powers that be.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  431. German_reader says:
    @LondonBob

    Been an upping of the propaganda on the Ukraine

    Personally I think it’s likely that Russian troops committed war crimes during their offensives back in spring (I definitely don’t think Bucha was totally made up, and possibly traces of something similar could have been found in Izyum), but the entire framing as “genocide” is such transparent propaganda I can only marvel at the stupidity of the people falling for it (or dishonesty if they only pretend to do so).
    Greens are of course completely demented, crazy how bellicose they now are (apparently they really think that this is going to end with Russia’s total defeat and Putin in The Hague), but in a sense that’s only the flipside of their previous pacifism which was just as childish. The irony of course is that they still insist on their energy policies (shutting down the remaining nuclear power stations, also demolishing some fairly modern coal plants) which have no chance of working under present conditions and will destabilize Germany, thereby eroding support for Ukraine.

  432. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    but the entire framing as “genocide” is such transparent propaganda I can only marvel at the stupidity of the people falling for it (or dishonesty if they only pretend to do so).

    Just to clarify, that’s not meant as an attack on our Mr. Hack, I disagree with him about “genocide”, but given his personal involvement in the war I can’t blame him. It’s meant as criticism of Western media consumers with no personal ties to Ukraine.

  433. Wokechoke says:
    @Dmitry

    British officer buy a lot if not all of their own gear for themselves. It’s no exaggeration to say that private soldiers and NCOs buy their own boots, (not to mention socks, camping cooking etc) jackets webbing to upgrade from the junk they are officially given. That’s the hallmark of the professional British army tbh.

    American troops are lavished with goodies though. I don’t know how the Canadians do these things.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  434. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Some of them were in terms of killing Jews in pogroms, though Bolshevik troops weren’t any less deadly overall and White troops also engaged in pogroms. “Only” about half of the pogrom victims in Ukraine were victims of Petliura’s military.

    Equating Petliura with Bandera was just Bolshevik propaganda though. Petliura was a Polish ally whose followers were later persecuted by Banderists. The number of victims of his forces over all of Ukraine was lower than Bandera’s in only western Ukraine, Petliura was personally friendly with Jews and made half-hearted attempts to stop the killings, etc.

  435. Wokechoke says:

    I do not see a way around the basic geography of the Don river estuary at Rostov as it empties into Azov and is pinched off by Kerch. All the industrial materials from the interior of the southern area have to be shipped out from there. There’s simply no way the Russians can afford to be Toll Booth’ed in Azov or Crimea by hostiles with premiums placed their mineral/industrial/agricultural goods. It’s a fight to the death.

  436. @Wokechoke

    British officer buy a lot if not all of their own gear for themselves. It’s no exaggeration to say that private soldiers and NCOs buy their own boots, (not to mention socks, camping cooking etc) jackets webbing to upgrade from the junk they are officially given. That’s the hallmark of the professional British army tbh.

    Are you still pretending that you know something about this?

    The package given prior to operational deployment is generous and complete. It most certainly is not junk. Anyone who supplements it with their own gear is trying to be “ally,” pronounced “allee.” It is customisation to appear what might be described as “combat cool,” and unecessary. Commissioned Officers are less likely to indulge in this than their subordinates. Though perhaps going to a seamstress for tailoring your combat shirt to make it fitted, when in barracks, might be a subtle and wise decision.

    Dimitry: the CSTO has its equivalent of Article 5. Armebia is calling Article 5, unlike in 2020, and Russia is unable to answer it. Sorry, your vague answer cannot waffle around this crucial point.

    German_Reader: I appreciate your point on genocide. Russia is not currently engaged in a campaign of genocide. But obviously their soldiers have committed plenty of warcrimes and massacres. This is inevitable, even if you don’t completely dehumanise your enemy as “Nazis” and empty the prisons of your worst offenders, before sending them with people like Kadyrov, to keep the “peace.”

    However give that people choosing to have fewer children is called genocide here, the vaccine is called genocide here, and not locking down for a week, or two longer, is called genocide elsewhere, utterly hysterical “genocide’ dialogue is everywhere, including Russian media, where the Ukrainians are constantly accused of it against Russia.

    Beckow: you compare the Serbian military campaign to the Russian one in Ukraine. Yet the former might be the least bloody, successful military campaign of all time. While the Russian effort in Ukraine is both pointlessly bloody and failed. That’s the difference. I’m not a pacifist. Had Putin really taken over Ukraine in 3 days as intended, I would have been unable to make a strong objection to the war. The facts of reality would have proven his theories about the place basically right. But instead they have proven them, him, and you, completely wrong, yet you persist in your support. Probably because the blood is the point for you.

  437. @AP

    The number of victims of his forces over all of Ukraine was lower than Bandera’s in only western Ukraine, Petliura was personally friendly with Jews and made half-hearted attempts to stop the killings, etc.

    LOL

    Albert Speer and Ernst Junger really didn’t have any enthusiasm for the jew killing either. Contrast to the folk in Amsterdam who could not wait to get rid of theirs. Even back in 1935 the house market there was a real knife fight.

  438. Mr. Hack says:
    @German_reader

    Bandera and his ilk are worshipped by quite a few Ukrainians.

    Really? How many? Bandera was not even admired much if at all during WWII beyond Galicia in Central, Southern and Eastern Ukraine. Even throughout Western Ukraine he wasn’t “worshipped” by everybody, and certainly had his detractors. There were several other nationalist groups that distanced themselves from Bandera and his integral nationalist views. AP, for years now has indicated that his Western Ukrainian family had other political affiliations. My own family was mostly apolitical and ended up serving within German work camps. To believe that Bandera and his ideology is more popular today than at the height of WWII is just plain fantasy.

  439. @Mr. Hack

    LOL – in a very short window of time, mass atrocities committed by the OUN-UPA satanists against Jews, Poles, Russians and THEIR own “Ukrainians” you diseased cretin.

    These are all CIVILIANS, mostly women and children raped, tortured, murdered and mutilated. Just about the most barbaric white scum in history.

    Just to remind you these were militarised organisation which did absolutely nothing militarily during the war. Nothing of distinction at all – the worst pussies in history. All these vermin did was take advantage of the power vacuum, by performing mass atrocities against civilians.

    It wasn’t like releasing prisoners to fight in the army, with these OUN-UPA dogs it was like releasing paedophiles from prison…….. into schools.

    As for “blood”, these are Galician excrement who have no connection to malorossiyans……. these freaks also have a big reputation for inbreeding (explains a lot), with the highest rate of spastics in Ukraine being in Galicia even in modern era – something like 20 times higher than in Donbass

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  440. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Petliura was personally friendly with Jews and made half-hearted attempts to stop the killings, etc.

    Petliura’s “half-hearted” attempts to stem the rise of Jewish pogroms within Ukraine certainly impressed the very astute and well known Ukrainian, American and international lawyer and legal scholar Arnold Margolin, who served under Petliura’s patronage in the UNR, who adamantly defended Petliura publicly and also within his contemporary history of the era “From a Political Diary: Russia, the Ukraine, and America, 1905–1945 (1946).” I can’t think of anybody more prominent within the Jewish/Ukrainian community from that era.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Margolin

    http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CM%5CA%5CMargolinArnold.htm

  441. songbird says:
    @S

    Coyotes are pretty much everywhere now. They have even been sighted south of the Panama Canal, and there are fears they will work their way into South America.

    In the part of the country I frequent (NH), I have only ever seen llamas on anti-coyote patrol. I presume it is because they are more cold tolerant, but maybe, they are a better source of income?

    It is kind of funny to think of – a South American animal protecting Eurasian animals from a North American beast.

    • Replies: @S
  442. Mr. Hack says:
    @Gerard1234

    I didn’t try to defend Bandera in my comment above. You need to borrow some of Dragon Man’s photos and repost here again for the one millionth time to really make your point. 🙁

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  443. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Not to be too pedantic, but the ABO blood system was just the first discovered. There are at least 43 blood groups in humans, though some are rare and some less reactive than others.

    While ABO is ancient, and many others are, believe some like Duffy probably only date to the Neolithic, when farming arose, and slash and burn in tropical areas resulted in the propagation of malaria. You will not find Duffy in certain populations, to the point where it has been used as a test of ancestry.

  444. Wokechoke says:

    A word on the Queen’s funeral procession…

    Must make Russians a little annoyed that they were deprived of a Czar. Monarchy has its uses and purpose.

  445. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    pretending to know? lol. anyway, The Volga is the largest river in Europe either way.

  446. S says:
    @songbird

    Yeah, the coyotes have benefited from all the forest clearance and greatly expanded their range in North America. Livestock people hate them of course and there’s plenty of YT videos of them being mercilessly hunted down. Huge numbers of wild pigs too.

    Didn’t know that about the llamas being used that way. That is interesting.

    One thing I’ve noticed is a lot of people raising goats. I surmise goat products must go for a real premium these days. Goats like the donkeys have a lot of almost human like characteristics about then.

    • Replies: @songbird
  447. Mr. Hack says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Russia is not currently engaged in a campaign of genocide.

    Failing on the battleground, Russia continues to destroy all manner of civilian enclaves, as indeed they have throughout this war. Investigators continue to find mass graves of civilians within Izium as they did in Bucha and Irpin. Everywhere the Russians dig in their heels, they ban the Ukrainian language, in education, books, etc; And you still find no evidence of a protracted genocide? What more would it take to have you change your mind?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Wokechoke
  448. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I’d agree that’s its a little boring. But there is a whiff of Sulphur about Ukrainian nationalism. Some of the western hesitation is tied up with these dark memories.

    On another note I saw a film starring Mark Rylance the other night. “Waiting for the Barbarians” also had Robert Pattinson and Johnny Depp in it. Fictional European empire at the edge of a Mongolian like horde. Rylance is the local sympathetic magistrate presiding over Berber or Arab looking city. Depp as a certain Colonel Joll comes in and starts to throw his weight around torturing civilized locals and the nomadic Mongol like barbarians thus upsetting Rylances competent enough administration.

    Joll, starts a war by making them darned barbarian locals a depraved bunch. Could be any empire including France, Russia, Britain. In the context of Russian cinema this could have been a film about the 1840-1880s depicting their Eastward Conquests.

    What was most interesting about it was the sinister character Colonel Joll. He knows exactly what he’s doing along with his less self aware snotty sidekick Captain played by Pattinson.

    Waiting for the Barbarians.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  449. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    I’ll try watching it. Is it shown on Netflix?

  450. @Mr. Hack

    To believe that Bandera and his ideology is more popular today than at the height of WWII is plain fantasy.

    A fabulous imbecile!

    The Ukrainians have been brainwashed. Stepan Bandera was proclaimed Hero of Ukraine a long time ago. Now he is a cult figure.

    These Banderite marches are a regular commemoration event. Little children sing Bandera is our Father in kindergartens.

    There are monuments of Bandera throughout Ukraine.

    Wake up idiot.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  451. Mr. Hack says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    I can see at most a couple of hundred marchers in your photos (and these were taken several years back during the marches in Kyiv). One maybe two monuments throughout Ukraine. Most all European countries, including Russia allow right wing fringe parties to exist. Do I need to include photos of the same sorts of things going on in Russia?…

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  452. @Mr. Hack

    While it is certainly a better fit for “genocide” than 99.99% of contemporary uses for that word, I don’t believe the many Russian massacres, and related cruelties, are part of a purposeful policy to wipe out the people of Ukraine.

    I also suspect that the Russians have conducted elements of localised ethnic cleansing, but I try to keep words discrete to their most concise meaning.

    Having said that, as soon as it became clear that Russia would neither win, nor be able to accept its mistake in a reasonable time frame, I have thought it appropriate for NATO, or the leading lights of Europe, if up to the task, to tell Russia “enough is enough, go home, or, in one week, we’ll use conventional forces to obliterate what of yours remains in Ukraine.”

    No one with a heart, as yet uncrushed by their own resentment and stupid cruelty, can look at Ukraine and not recognise that they deserve to be free of the Russians. And no one with a head, as not het turned to mush by the exact same things, would think that Ukrainians are going to give up, whatever the circumstances.

    So the only way to end this war fast is to make it untenable for Russia. Almost whatever it takes is worth it. If Putin will escalate to nuclear confrontation, he will eventually be forced to do it anyway, by being unable to crush the Ukrainians, so that’s a risk realisable by any course of Western action.

    As for Putin’s cheerleaders, the ones who revel in how many refugees Russia has created, and how much misery and destruction sown, hell is possibly unneeded. They torture themselves.

    Finally, I could be wrong in my opinion on genocide, and the Russians are destroying your homeland. And they are doing it out of prideful illusion. But it doesn’t make me feel better to not call it genocide, yet. Instead, the current invasion of Ukraine is one of those very few things I see fit to denounce as “evil” – a concept I don’t even believe in. But my understanding, of how the Russians can go so extreme in their cruelty, no matter how deluded their reasons, is insufficient, and therefore “evil” is the only label I am left with. I would gladly see them burn in hell, even if, after a few years, I would fish them out of the fire. It would be a good and productive experience for them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  453. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    If you want to do your bros in Ukraine a favor buy them the Helikon-Tex Matilda backpacks. Polish made so it is locally sourced enough. Quite comfortable. Send bundles of 5-11 trousers as well, the cloth stop you from soaking in sweat even if you are running around sweating. 5-11 are starting make decent socks too. Cabela’s sell socks called Feelsgood Smartwool. Stop stinking feet and keeps out the chill at the same time. Boots, well that shit is up to the individual. I like Merrill’s brand stuff at the moment.

    I recall getting a Vulcan Berghaus from Millets years and years ago. Changed my life. lol.

  454. songbird says:
    @S

    Yes, it is kind of funny. I mean, I heard goats are the hardiest farm animal. And there was a strange movement a few years back in progressive circles to buy people in the third world goats and then brag about it, as though lack of goats was some sort of problem and not overgrazing. But I don’t know anyone who eats goat. (Or maybe I do, but haven’t asked.) I still remember my biology teacher in the the 9th grade explaining why goat meat stinks when you cook it. Where is the market? All new arrivals? Or exports? No idea.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    , @Barbarossa
  455. Mr. Hack says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well, 99.99% accuracy is good enough for me and I’ll call it “genocide”, and you may continue calling it “ethnic cleansing” if you like, in either case its disgusting stuff that will taint the Russian people and their reputation for a long time to come.

  456. @AP

    Petliura was personally friendly with Jews and made half-hearted attempts to stop the killings

    You can be friendly with Jews, or even be a Jew, and be a Nazi at the same time. The quintessence of Nazism is “my tribe is better than your tribe”, and it does not matter which tribes are meant in each particular case.

    As to Petliura himself, he was killed in Paris by Scholem Schwarzbard on May 25, 1926. Schwarzbard did not deny that he killed Petliura and at his trial explained that he did that because Petliura forces were mass murderers and among other people killed all his family. French jury acquitted him. Enough said.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  457. S says:

    Where is the market? All new arrivals?

    That’s what I figure. Goat products are popular with Indians (dot).

    • Thanks: songbird
  458. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …comparing VW to an ideologically charged phrase is somewhat silly

    We are somewhat silly people. Thousands are dying, cities are destroyed, EU is facing deindustrialization and possibly DisneyWorld-like future, and we are throwing phrases into the mix. Why not Autobahn?

    All central-eastern European countries had their version of Nazi terminology, we had folk songs and expressions that were basically banned after WW2 because our clero-fascists used them – (very pious folk, unlike Nazis.) The Ukie Bandera worship is an order of magnitude more extreme, but the same principle applies.

    It was a fatal mistake by Kiev to embrace Banderism no matter how much they try to downplay it. There is too much negative recent history linked to Bandera and his fighters in that region, and they were defeated. I can only speculate that the organizers couldn’t think of any other motivating idea for the simple Galician thugs, so they resurrected ‘Bandera’. The euro-liberals just follow the script. But it was a huge mistake that is now undermining the whole project – it has to be explained, denied, hidden. But in wars the details of the past are brought up and so everyone knows.

    In a recent survey in Slovakia around half of the people sided with Russia in the war, 20% with Kiev, this in spite of endless round-the-clock propaganda (although less now). Ukie nationalism simply means “Bandera” especially since they embrace it. The same is true in the surrounding countries. The Kiev people are so stupid they don’t even know how stupid they are, that’s very dangerous.