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Here’s a new Open Thread for the Karlin Community.

People have been complaining that too many heavy Tweets have been making the thread sluggish, so please restrict them, or place them under the MORE tag.

— Ron Unz

 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Open Thread, Russia, Ukraine 
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  1. Wow. Thanks for consideration, which verbose commenters do not have.

    • Agree: A123, Barbarossa
  2. Mr. Hack says:

    The Ukrainian counteroffensive has indeed started and is primarily focused on retaking the southern area around Kherson and the surrounding areas. The first line of Russian defense lines surrounding Kherson has been successfully pierced so far. Denys Davidov provides good concise analysis of the day’s events and is worth watching:

  3. @Mr. Hack

    There are Ukrainian and Russian sayings equivalent to “don’t count your chickens before they hatch”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  4. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    If true, it’s shaping up to be a replay of Case Blue on the Bug and Dneiper instead of the Don and Volga.

  5. Sean says:

    The lesson of the war so far is that maneuver warfare swift offensive tactics are surprisingly costly against artillery and anti aircraft systems. The Ukrainians would lose a lot of men if they really are putting in a major attack to win back territory. My feeling is the retaking of Kherson is fanfaronade for Russian consumption to keep their resources away from the Donetsk front. The HIMARS strikes are hurting Russia but it has learned to cope with them fairly well and the effect is not prohibitive.

    Another reason for questioning the prospect of Ukrainians gains occurring is Kiev would be dependent on the US for supplying such an offensive and for reason of their own America is wary of inflicting dramatic reverses on Russia in Ukraine. In all probability the US believes Russia would be unlikely to accept such a defeat, but rather respond by escalating. The American strategy is to keep Russia thinking it can win at the current level of intensity while actually draining it of strength.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  6. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    meanwhile in Paris…

  7. Yevardian says:

    https://reitschuster.de/post/berliner-polizei-zustaende-wie-in-einem-autoritaeren-regime/

    Interesting article with a German police officer, he really does make things there sound terrible. I suppose Germany is an especially special case as it’s always been on the periphery of the ‘core-West’ and has always has a mixed relationship with Russia.
    I’m sure nothing new to G_R, however. I don’t read German, so just machine-translated it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  8. Mikhail says: • Website

    https://www.rt.com/russia/561758-ukraine-counter-offensive-fails/

    https://theduran.com/russia-repels-ukraine-attacks-in-kherson-advances-in-kodema-and-donetsk-europe-continues-slides-into-deeper-crisis/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  9. @Wokechoke

    heavy Tweets have been making the thread sluggish

    That is not the biggest problem with twitter. It is a mechanical discourse degradation implement. Loved by the propaganda goons. There is a causal relationship between these two facts.

    : )

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  10. @Sean

    The American strategy is to keep Russia thinking it can win at the current level of intensity while actually draining it of strength.

    Is there one single example in the history of the universe of somebody spanking Russia in an attrition war?

    Here Be Dragon can connect them with higher quality drugs man.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Philip Owen
  11. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian

    Interesting article with a German police officer, he really does make things there sound terrible.

    I don’t think German police are really any worse than in Britain or France though (let alone in the US). Yellow vests weren’t treated with kid gloves by French police either, the entire West is authoritarian. Boris Reitschuster is also a guy I wouldn’t trust entirely, seems to me he’s become sort of a grifter. His trajectory is interesting however insofar as he once was a somewhat respectable Russia expert with an audience in mainstream media (and anti-Putin, back in 2014/15 a pro-Ukrainian CDU cuck recommended him to me).
    Germany is probably somewhat more irrational, or fanatical, than other Western countries in some ways, as seen in the anti-nuclear movement or in the particularly extreme reaction to Corona (where a whole set of restrictions will return in autumn). On the other hand, lunatic ideas like transgenderism and “antiracism” are US imports, so I don’t think one can say the problem is just with Germany herself.

    I suppose Germany is an especially special case as it’s always been on the periphery of the ‘core-West’ and has always has a mixed relationship with Russia.

    Yes, that’s certainly true.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Pixo
  12. Sean says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Is there one single example in the history of the universe of somebody spanking Russia in an attrition war?

    My personal opinion is Gorby was key to the USSR’s withdrawal but US thinks Afghanistan was such a war. It is important to remember that Ukraine can have seven bells knocked out it and America still spanks Russia, because the US is merely supplying the weapons and cash, not fighting. America is going to be very careful not to do any fighting, because that would be risky; a route to things getting out of the US’s control. Right now the US is holding all the cards.

    • Replies: @Derer
  13. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    Boris Reitschuster is also a guy I wouldn’t trust entirely

    The interview with the policeman does seem credible to me though. Of course these double standards are only possible because of the authoritarian mindset of the “liberal” lefties supporting the present regime. I talked to a former colleague (way more successul than me in her academic career) last year and she told me things like “The unvaccinated need to be punished” and “The protesters at the anti-vaxx demonstrations need to be clubbed down by police like it should have been done with the Nazis in the early 1930s”. Green family background.

  14. @Mikhail

    For those who don’t know: Ukrainian army has significantly more personnel than the RF, DPR, and LPR forces active in former Ukraine combined. At least this is true on paper. Knowing Ukrainian propensity to steal (Ukraine is arguably the most corrupt country on Earth), I wouldn’t be surprised if a large proportion of that personnel exists only virtually, to allow enterprising generals pocket a lot of money.

    The results of Ukie “counter-offensive” in the South, reportedly ordered by the clown himself, are now emerging. Ukies did not gain territory, lost ~1,200 personnel, ~50 tanks, more than 80 other armored vehicles, one helicopter and two fighter jets. A few more “victories” like that and Ukrainian military is kaput. No wonder the regime is preparing to evacuate Nikolayev, the only big city between Russian-held Kherson and Odessa.

    • Agree: roonaldo
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
    , @Jazman
  15. @Emil Nikola Richard

    mechanical discourse degradation implement.

    I’ve had that impression. The comment section of one site I occasionally visited transferred to Twitter. While the original comment section was fairly stupid it immediately became 1,000 times more retarded. It made the Breitbart comment section look cohesive and intelligent. Supposedly Twitter has bright spots (at least I’ve been told) but I don’t have the time or interest to sift through the retardation.

  16. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Knowing Ukrainian propensity to steal (Ukraine is arguably the most corrupt country on Earth), I wouldn’t be surprised if a large proportion of that personnel exists only virtually, to allow enterprising generals pocket a lot of money.

    Tell me Janissary, how many “honest Russian generals” have met their doom within Ukraine during this war?

    Of the world’s 20 major economies, Russia rates the worst on corruption. In 2021, the respected Corruption Perceptions Index compiled by anti-corruption body Transparency International scored Russia 29/100, alongside Liberia, Mali and Angola… Money supposed to be for Russia’s military capability has also been plundered. For example, defense minister Sergei Shoigu lives in an \$18 million mansion – not bad for someone supposedly on a government minister’s salary. A typical pattern has been to award contracts to companies owned by cronies, who then provide shoddy products and pocket huge profits. Food and housing in the Russian military is said to be worse than being in prison. Russian soldiers sent to invade Ukraine have been given rations years out of date. This has created a “Potemkin military” – all show and little substance – according to Andrey Kozyrev, Russia’s foreign minister from 1990 to 1996: “The Kremlin spent the last 20 years trying to modernize its military. Much of that budget was stolen and spent on mega-yachts in Cyprus. But as a military advisor you cannot report that to the President. So they reported lies to him instead.

    https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/syndicated/army-thieves-putins-military-weakness-follows-long-history-corrupt-russian-regimes/

    Your one sided and inaccurate views are getting stale and nonsensical – you need a break to regroup and refocus like you did during your last 3 month hiatus.

    • LOL: roonaldo
    • Replies: @roonaldo
    , @AnonfromTN
  17. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    Who cares about Paris? I thought that you were the resident military analyst/historian and would provide something cogent and on target regarding the new developments in Ukraine?

    “Paris” for all interested fans. 🙂

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  18. German_reader says:
    @Wokechoke

    Netflix needs to be banned in Europe.

    • Agree: songbird, LondonBob
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Matra
  19. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Netflix needs to be banned in Europe.

    One of its highest rated shows is The Witcher, based on the books written by Andrzej Sapkowski.

    Yet another reason why the EU needs to disband. Germany simply cannot along with its neighbors.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
  20. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    And then there are Ukrainian sayings that closely describe persons like you:

    Аби шия, а ярмо буде.

    Або дома не бути, або волі здобути.

    Чужа душа – темний ліс

    Чужа хата – гірше ката.

  21. German_reader says:
    @A123

    One of its highest rated shows is The Witcher, based on the books written by Andrzej Sapkowski.

    My understanding is the books were already pretty pozzed, and the elements of Slavic folklore were progressively toned down in the video games and the TV show. Could have some deeper symbolism regarding Poland.

    • Replies: @A123
  22. roonaldo says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Yep, and Ukie soldiers nabbed from nightclubs and churches live high on the hog in their front-line trenches, then leap like lions on their merry way to Sebastopol, slashing through Russian defenses like a hot knife through butter as Russian projectiles fizzle harmlessly in mid-air.

    Meanwhile, Zelensky inspires patriotic awe in his adoring citizens by sacrificing high-end cocaine for snuff, planning the next Vogue photoshoot with wifey-poo, and composing another pecker-playing piano concerto in d-minor.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  23. As the war in Ukraine progresses, I have taken the AP-pill: it’s OK to kill people, so long as they are below average and uncultured, as the Ukrainian state did in Donbass for eight years. A feature of the AP-pill is that it provides a strategy for a post hoc justification of any war: just bomb a country until all the better people leave. Bonus points if the people you kill are of a different religion.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AP
  24. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    I do not have Netflix so I only get to view the show when on holiday.

    I do not recall the books or the games being particularly poizzed. Fantasy genre opens up more roles for women versus a historical, but that makes for high quality fiction. The PC games contained some of the grim bits like the Striga more or less verbatim from the books.

    Some of the TV casting was unnecessarily race based, how ever the only truly egregious casting fail, IMHO, was Triss.

      

    What were they thinking?

    Fringilla is also cast very differently versus the books/games, but as a side character the dabbling is much less important.

    https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/11/18/netflixs-the-witcher-cast-vs-video-game-characters

    PEACE 😇

  25. Mr. Hack says:
    @roonaldo

    You’re mixing-up Ukrainian soldiers with Russian ones. From washing machines to large tracts of land, the Russian soldiers are known to be murdering thieves. Better that they have stayed at home.

  26. @Mr. Hack

    There is nothing like hard facts to dispel propaganda myths.

    Fact 1. US “defense” spending (DoD and military spending of DoE) 2021 – \$753 billion, including direct to DoD \$705 billion. (Clarification: “defense” is in quotation marks because the US military spending is greater than military spending of the rest of the world combined. Thus, unless the US is defending itself from Martians and other space invaders, you must be a clinical idiot to believe that this spending is on defense).
    Dynamics 2021-23
    https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/FY2023/FY2023_Budget_Request.pdf

    Fact 2. Russian defense budget in 2021 – \$48.6 billion
    https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/macroeconomic/russias-defense-budget/
    The highest estimates go up to \$66 billion.

    The whole RF federal budget in 2021 was \$286 billion, i.e., ~2.5 times lower than US DoD budget alone.

    Whenever public money is spent on armed forces some level of theft and waste is inevitable. If we compare the performance of the US and the RF military (Syria, Afghanistan, etc.), one has to conclude that if corruption accounts for ~10% of Russian military spending, it must account for >90% of the US military spending.

    I rest my case.

    • Replies: @AP
  27. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    The results of Ukie “counter-offensive” in the South, reportedly ordered by the clown himself, are now emerging. Ukies did not gain territory, lost ~1,200 personnel, ~50 tanks, more than 80 other armored vehicles, one helicopter and two fighter jets

    Congratulations on proving that you are so gullible that you believe anything the Russian government claims. Your source also claims that Russia has shot down something like 250 Ukrainian jets during this war, IIRC.

    In reality we will not know what the results will be for a few more days, I wouldn’t trust either side.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Derer
  28. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    If we compare the performance of the US and the RF military (Syria, Afghanistan, etc

    US military went to the other side of the world and conquered all of Iraq in 5 weeks (or was it six?). After more then six months Russia has failed to take more then 20% of Ukraine (much of which is Russian-populated, like Crimea), which was right next door to it.

    America did not have the stomach to keep an anti-insurgency going for decades, so it left, eventually. Russia is not even in a position to deal with an insurgency because it has hardly occupied any unfriendly territory. Just Kherson where collaborators are occasionally killed and locals tell the Ukrainian military where to bomb.

    • Replies: @Abhraka
  29. @Mr. Hack

    Even though I have no problem speaking, writing, and reading Ukrainian, my reaction is the same as of those who can’t: ???

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  30. @AP

    The results are clear from the latest brief of Ukrainian DoD: they report Russian action on different fronts and do not say a word about alleged Ukrainian counter-offensive. The source is impeccable from Ukie perspective. Pretty telling, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @AP
  31. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Бідненький Яничарчик, не може перемилити в голові як ці приговiрки стосуються до него? 🙂

    • Replies: @Guy Laliberté
  32. German_reader says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    I take it that means the Russian public is in no mood for compromise?
    Still nice to read from you again, despite the unfortunate circumstances.

  33. Yahya says:
    @Wokechoke

    The premise of the movie is ridiculous.

    Westerners have this idea that non-white minorities all get along with each other. Lefties think it’s because of their shared experience of being oppressed by the white man. Rightoids think it’s in their shared hatred for the white man.

    Couldn’t be more wrong. Maghrebis are racist as all towards sub-Saharans. They don’t want anything to do with them. Just ask any black person who has traversed through North Africa. Sub-Saharans on their part view North Africans as “spicy white people” and “diet colonizers” (see the humorous Twitter thread below the more tag. One of the many flame wars between North Africans and Sub-Saharans).

    If a civil war were to occur in France, i’m pretty sure it would just be Maghrebis vs French. Sort of a rematch of the Algerian War of Independence. Maghrebis have the numbers and human capital to put up a fight against the French on their own. Blacks are not really needed (and likely more of a hindrance than an asset). If they know what’s good for them, they would side with the French.

    [MORE]

  34. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    They say not to discuss details while the operation is still in progress. So we don’t know.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  35. @German_reader

    I take it that means the Russian public is in no mood for compromise?

    Although I visited Russia last time about a year ago, I stay in touch with several people there and in Donbass. To the best of my knowledge the only feelings most Russians have for Europe today are contempt and disgust. Their reaction to increasing difficulties Europeans experience now is best described by a German word schadenfreude. Prevailing mood appears to be reflected by a recent joke: “the support of the operation in Ukraine among Black Sea fleet personnel is not that clear-cut. Only about half support the operation, whereas others believe that it’s high time to nuke Washington”.

  36. German_reader says:
    @Yahya

    Westerners have this idea that non-white minorities all get along with each other.

    Speaking as a resident rightoid, no, personally I don’t have that idea, obviously there are many manifestations of severe tensions between different immigrant communities, like Hindus/Sikhs and Pakistanis in Britain (or the latter and Afro-Caribbeans, as shown in riots in 2005) or Kurds and Turks in continental Europe. However that mostly doesn’t matter that much on the level of politics and political activism, most immigrant communities (apart maybe from some groups like various non-Islamic Mideasterners who fear being persecuted by Muslims again) will favor a lax immigration regime and heavy suppression of any resistance against it, and at the very least won’t have any principled opposition to calls for ethnic quotas favoring supposedly marginalized groups and the like.
    The premise of the Netflix series is of course somewhat preposterous, but it still is telling that such potentially inflammatory content can apparently be published in Europe without any problem, while right-wing groups like the Identitarians face prohibition, social death or even jail sentences.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @sher singh
  37. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    To the best of my knowledge the only feelings most Russians have for Europe today are contempt and disgust.

    tbh I suspect that was always the case. Ideal scenario for many Russians would probably be they get to be a super power again, deal with the Americans as equals and can bully/dominate the part of Europe that is assigned to them (or maybe all, if the Americans leave). Obviously that’s not a positive prospect either from my pov.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  38. @Mr. Hack

    AnonfromTN has noticed that he grows contemptuous of every place he lives in, but has so far failed to recognise what the common factor is.

    He’s absurd.

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  39. @Yahya

    Sensible white “racists” simply think that our countries would be more pleasant places for us to live if foreigners were kept to 1% or thereabouts.

    Not that a war is coming. Nor that non-whites (foreigners) hate us. Nor that it is the end of the world, nor genocide.

    Just that it isn’t in our interests to host these people any longer, and probably never was, so let’s just choose the option that suites us, and do it as humanely as possible.

    It probably won’t happen, which is disappointing, but just as we know that the US doesn’t hate blacks/Muslims etc. because blacks/Muslims etc keep moving there and rarely move away, so we know the same about whites, who also have very lopsided immigration ratios towards the United States.

    The overblown language, general hysteria and bizarre arcane “explanations” for our lot are just like all hysteria: downstream of stupid people, entertainment and love of drama.

    But try to come between an hysteric and their mental pacifier of panic/pessimism, and you can be sure to get screamed at.

  40. @AP

    They say not to discuss details while the operation is still in progress.

    That might have worked in Soviet times (where their mentality is from), but does not work today. On the web there are lots of pictures of dead Ukie soldiers abandoned on the battlefield and of destroyed Ukie military hardware, including a lot of modernized T72 tanks Poland gave to the regime.

    • Replies: @AP
  41. @AnonfromTN

    On one of Gonzo Lira’s podcast he had that retired Russian military guy that has written books about NATO military decline and whatnot and they had that picture of Biden’s bald and furry official with the shemale “admiral” (it is not a United States Navy admiral–it is some bogus title akin to surgeon “general”) at the French Embassy in Washington on Bastille Day as the official American delegation and Gonzo asked him what the Russians think about this and he said,

    “most people want to put the Iron Curtain back up”.

    It was pretty funny. Unless you are a patriotic American I suppose but I hardly run into them any more at all.

  42. @German_reader

    I suspect that was always the case.

    Not really. When I was young and lived in Russia (more than 30 years ago) most people felt pretty positively towards Europe, including Germany (despite WWII). Western lies after the breakup of the USSR and the catastrophe of the 1990s inflicted by the collective West changed that. Good thing is that the West and Russian libtards clearly showed their true colors in the 1990s. Old delusions are gone, people are facing the reality. My impression is that Putin still has some illusions of my generation. The West will rue the day when he is gone. Younger people in Russia are a lot more hostile to libtards and the West spewing the same BS. Today Europeans and Americans are beginning to face the reality, too, but they are way behind in this.

  43. Mikhail says: • Website

    Counterpunch’s Decline

    Re: Below Linked Article

    Post Alexander Cockburn, while Counterpunch still features some good articles, there has been an increase in Western establishment preferred propaganda like the below and not as strong a counter to it.

    The sampled collapsible piece is suitable for the partisan puff segments hosted by the establishment likes of Bianna Golodryga and Greta van Susteren.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/30/should-europe-close-its-borders-to-russian-citizens/

  44. Matra says:
    @German_reader

    I watched several Polish language shows on Netflix earlier this year. Recurring themes and especially sub-themes included cuckoldry, lesbianism, homophobia, intolerance, etc. Today you see Polish women walking with rainbow flag bags and black man/white woman ads in Warsaw. Meanwhile, the ADL has plans for Poland. The Poles are being softened up for social conquest and it’ll probably work as Poles will be too distracted by Russia and leftover WW2 issues to notice until it’s too late.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Erik Sieven
  45. Yahya says:

    [MORE]

    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @German_reader
  46. German_reader says:
    @Yahya

    Would have thought that horrible a few years ago, but given the trajectory of Western societies the Iranian authorities may have a point.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  47. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, you will believe anything on the web that you want to believe. Videos could be accurate and from this offensive, or they could be old or from Donbas. Things will be clearer in a few days, we can only wait.

  48. Mr. Hack says:

    Denys Davidov provides yet more timely information about what’s been taking place in Ukraine during its initially successful three pronged attack within the Kherson area. He also reviews two minor Russian advances in the Donetsk area. The most important takeaway is that Ukrainian forces have been able to successfully bomb and incapacitate Russian ammo and supply depots in most areas in Kherson, including the all important Antonivka railroad bridge, that’s been under severe attacks for some time now, including direct hits within the last two days. He thinks that ultimately this will encumber Russian forces that will not only be short of artillery etc., but greatly in need of food resources. Slow movement is also anticipated, as Ukrainian forces will be mostly using newly acquired Western artillery and ammunition.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  49. A123 says: • Website
    @Matra

    Today you see Polish women walking with rainbow flag bags and black man/white woman ads in Warsaw. … The Poles are being softened up for social conquest and it’ll probably work

    George IslamoSoros and his anti-Christian NGO’s have targeted certain parts of Warsaw. Out side of these limited spectacles, there are few signs that his attempt to soften up Poland are working. (1)

    ‘Sunday is a time for prayer and family, not shopping’ –

    Poland’s family minister is defending the policy, arguing that family, tradition, and Christianity come first before narrow business interests.

    The Polish government built this to stop Muslim criminals and Rape-ugees from infiltrating via Belarus.

      

    the ADL has plans for Poland.

    The Antisemitic Defaming League of Muhammad [ADL] has been taken over by the depravity of Islam. This was made clear after the recent Texas Synagogue attack. Would you like to guess how did the ADL responded? (2)

    you might think that after an Islamic jihadi stormed a Texas synagogue and took hostages, the ADL would be drawing attention to Islamic anti-Semitism, as well as to the targeting of synagogues by Islamic jihadis in the past. Instead, it once again proves that it is more interested in preserving the Leftist narrative than in combating anti-Semitism: the ADL is very concerned that some of the reactions to the hostage-taking incident have been, in its view, “Islamophobic.

    France, Germany, and especially Sweden are at high risk. They are the “core” leaders of the European WEF’s cultural death spiral. Christian Populist nations such as Poland and Hungary are in much better shape.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/poland/sunday-is-a-time-for-prayer-and-family-not-shopping-polish-family-minister-rejects-dropping-sunday-shopping-ban/

    (2) https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2022/01/17/in-wake-of-texas-synagogue-hostage-taking-anti-defamation-league-warns-against-islamophobia-n1550218

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  50. @A123

    George IslamoSoros

    It is irrelevant that he is a Jew. It is irrelevant that he was born in Hungary. His views on Islam are also irrelevant.

    There are only two relevant things: he is scum and he is rich.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  51. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Paris is every European’s second home and the legion is every young man’s second chance after a disaster. We can’t have Arabs and Niggers overrunning it. Camp of the Saints is fast coming.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  52. @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Russian invasion of India in 1801 collapsed from supply chain issues without even leaving nominally Russian territory. Anglo-Russian War 1807-12 was a naval defeat by attrition. As in 1939 Russia started on the wrong side. The Crimean War in 1855. The Russo-Japanese war. World War 1, 79-89 Afghanistan where Empires go to die. Arguably Chechnya 1 was attrition.

    So quite a few actually.

    • Replies: @Derer
  53. @Mr. Hack

    Confirmed by direct satellite observation here. (This was posted amongst the last posts on the previous thread which is now redundant).

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @A123
    , @AnonfromTN
  54. This post happened to be long, but it contains 20 graphic charts showing the dependence and correlation between economic and other social variables to the crime rates in a number of post-Soviet and European countries.

    The post in addition proves beyond a reasonable doubt that AP is a total cuckoo. You are invited to read it.

    It should not be boring.

    Venezuela has a very different culture, history, and type of people (largely non-European, and their Europeans are completely different) than Russia or Ukraine. It is not a valid comparison.

    Venezuela is one of many examples, showing that culture, history, and “type of people” are not a valid argument in this discussion.

    A much better comparison is to other eastern Europeans, who have similar cultures, genetics, and histories involving Soviet rule and its collapse.

    There are no other countries in Europe that experienced a crisis of comparable magnitude. Except for perhaps Albania – and here it is.

    The deep recession during 1995-97 resulted in the rise of crime during 1996-97. The depth of the trough is proportionate to the height of the peak.

    There is a direct correlation between these two. The more people facing the danger of becoming homeless, the more people embracing the crime out of desperation.

    The perfect “natural experiment” is within Ukraine: Zhytomir province versus neighboring Rivne + Volynia provinces in Ukraine. These places had an identical history. They have similarly large cities. Their demographics are about the same.

    No.

    Not the same.

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    The share of urban population is more important than the density. And in the Zhytomyr area it is larger – 60 percent, than in the Rivne area – 47,5 percent.

    We discussed that before and you chose to ignore it after you failed, other than trying to bring Transcarpathia to obfuscate, as you do now with Venezuela. So here is what you had run away from. Feel free to try again.

    Your theory is a product of pathological thinking. You are suffering from a serious mental illness. And it does not matter how many times you will be shown an evidence of the opposite – you have an idée fixe, and will continue to deny the obvious.

    Here is the Rivne area, and in 2014 it had a higher crime rate than Zhytomyr. According to your idiotic theory the more immoral people of Zhytomyr are supposed to commit more crimes.

    Something must have happened to the less immoral people of Rivne – what?

    The map cannot show us what, but there was a reason. Perhaps a conflict in the criminal world. Perhaps a closure of a plant, or something like that.

    We need to see the big picture, and not a couple of areas. We need to see the process and not a temporary result of it. You are clinging to these examples because these fit that absurd idea of yours, and for the same reason refuse to look at any others – because they do not fit.

    If your theory was correct it would work in other places and in other times the same way, but it does not work. You created it as a myth in which you like to believe, but it is all made up. There is no basis for such a mad idea in reality.

    It does not make any sense anywhere else, except for in your head. And you have a serious problem with your head – it does not work right.

    Everywhere there are fewer assaults in those places that avoided 25 years of Soviet rule. 25 additional years of Soviet rule meant more assaults. Even more extreme differences when considering birth rate outside of marriage.

    A birth outside of marriage is not a crime but is also related to poverty. Poor people marry less, but women want to have a child while they are still young. When a woman cannot find a husband she will eventually have a child anyway. Then she will be a mother.

    It is better than to be single and without a child.

    Transcarpathia isn’t violent. Soviet morality affected both violence and having children out of wedlock. There was no Chechen War separating the provinces west of the Green line from the East ones within Ukraine.

    The share of rural population is larger in the west, and peasant families were not affected by the crisis as much as people living in the cities. The latter depend on salaries, the former can get by growing their own food and raising cattle. Agriculture does not stop working during a recession. Unempoyment rate does not change in rural areas and people do not get evicted out of their houses.

    The crime rate is higher in the urbanized areas, as is larger the share of people who remain without means to survive.

    No, the Soviet system created people who were more immoral.

    More than who – the Americans, that slaughtered the population of an entire continent? Or the western Ukrainians, that slaughtered one hundred thousand Polish women and children in two months?

    The Soviet people did not do that. Your people did.

    Your map demonstrates that within Volynia, population density is greater on the west side of the border than on the east. And yet, this region is less violent and less likely to have kids born out of wedlock.

    Was it not within Volhynia where the Ukrainian degenerates perpetrated that genocide?

    The crimes committed then outweigh both in the character and in the number the crimes committed elsewhere during the entire period after the war.

    And while Donbas is the most densely populated place in Ukraine, Galicia is a lot more densely populated than many more-Soviet regions of Ukraine. Yet it has lower rates of violence and kids being born out of wedlock than those places.

    And Volhynia is a lot less densely populated than many more-Soviet regions of Ukraine. Yet it has higher rates of violence than those places.

    These are the arguments of a madman.

    Excluding the slaughter perpetrated in the Western Ukraine when there was no fear of punishment and these non-Soviet Christian people of higher moral could indulge in their natural inclinations without restrain, there are the same rules that can be applied to them as well.

    The higher the unempoyment rate is, the higher is the crime rate. The higher the share of urban population is, the higher is the crime rate. The higher the economic potential of the region is, the higher is the crime rate. These are simple rules.

    Galicia has about 1/3 the rate of assaults and out-of-wedlock births than rural, more-Soviet Kirovhrad oblast does.

    Kirovohrad region has more than 300 deposits of valuable minerals – there is coal, iron, nickel, and even uranium. Galicia has a bit of coal but no iron. It is iron that is the most valuable asset, especially during a crisis. Where there is iron there is a lot of crime, the same as where there is a cargo port.

    Were you too stupid to see that?

    One has to be a paranoid schizophrenic with an idée fixe in order to see that. For a normal person it does not look like that.

    And then you chose to lie about Estonians, for some reason. You posted a chart showing high homicide rate in Estonia in the 1990s compared to Armenia and Uzbekistan.

    Yes – in Estonia and in Lithuania. Latvia was excluded because it has a large share of the Russian population.

    Everyone knows that most crimes in Estonia were committed not by native Estonians but by Russian colonists whose families had been Soviet for a generation prior to polluting Estonia with their presence.

    Even if 60 percent of those crimes were committed by the Russian population, the remaining 40 percent are still twice a higher number than that in Uzbekistan.

    So within Estonia, we have the same pattern as in Ukraine: the more Soviet the population, the more likely they are to murder people. Within Estonia, the Russians had been under Soviet rule for 25 years longer, so therefore they were more likely to murder.

    Within Estonia the Russians were discriminated against, and therefore they were a lot more likely to become poor and desperate. Everyone knows that the Russians were, and are discriminated against in Estonia.

    On top of that the Russian people are stronger and more courageous, than are the Estonian fishermen. And the strong rob the weak, not the other way round. The same as the Dagestanis and other Caucasians that are stronger en masse control the organized crime in Russia.

    The strong rob the weak.

    This phenomenon in Estonia is well known. But of course you missed it. Your problem is that one who is insane is never aware that he is insane. His inability to recognize that his thinking is pathological is part of the illness.

    Stop repeating after me, like a parrot, will you?

    Here is Lithuania – it has 5 percent of the Russian colonizers. Not enough for them to make a significant contribution to the crime rate.

    Yet it had a lot higher crime rate than Armenia and Azerbaijan.

    Yet it had a lot higher crime rate than Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

    As for Armenia and Uzbekistan, as the Soviet anthropological documentary Кавказская пленница indicated, the Caucuses retained a more traditional pre-Soviet culture than was the case in Europe.

    Yet Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are not in Caucasus.

    And Кавказская пленница is not about Armenia. Armenia was Sovietized as much as any other Soviet republic. And so were Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

    Yet the crime rate in these three countries was lower than in Lithuania.

    And if we are to believe your absurd idea then it must be because these three peoples retained a more traditional pre-Soviet culture than was the case in Europe.

    However in Europe the much more Soviet Belarus and Moldova also had a lot lower crime rate.

    And in Caucasus the neighboring Georgia had a lot higher crime rate than Armenia and Azerbaijan did.

    And in Central Asia, the neighboring Tajikistan had a lot higher crime rate than Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan had.

    And the reason for that was not a less traditional pre-Soviet culture, but a stronger recession and the resulting larger number of people having faced destitution and hunger.

    And the higher homicide rate in Georgia resulted from the competition of criminal groups for control of the cargo ports – the most lucrative of the criminal enterprises, requiring no investment. Georgia has two of these, and on top of that a couple of oil and gas pipelines.

    You are shallow as usual. Many people can be desperate and greedy, but only deeply immoral people allow their desperation and greed to turn into murder, assault, or other crimes.

    When people remain without the means to survive they usually have three choices. One is to become homeless, another is to commit suicide, and the last one – to commit a crime. It depends not on the moral qualities but on other factors what one chooses to do.

    If a person has a wife and a little child or two, what is moral? Let them die of hunger, or to kill another person to let them live? If a person has a sick mother who must get her medication, is it more moral to let her suffer and die than to rob a pharmacy?

    Morality is relative, as is anything in this world.

    Yes, desperation and greed had an impact on their own, but Soviet upbringing and Soviet values really made murder and assault on a mass scale possible. As we have seen, the more Soviet the population, the more likely they are to engage in violence.

    Then how do you explain the same differences within Russia itself? Or within Poland, or any other country? There are areas with higher crime rate everywhere.

    And the reason is the same, everywhere – the larger number of desperate people, due to higher depedency on salaries and higher unemployment rate.

    The more industry is concentrated in a region, the larger is the share of urban population, the larger is the number of people, facing destitution and becoming homeless, once anything goes wrong.

    Morality has nothing to do with it.

    In 1998-2000 Russian economy grew faster than Polish. Homicides were still much higher. More than 10 times higher!

    There is cause and effect relationship between these parameters. It takes time to cause an effect.

    During those years the GDP was growing, but the poverty rate was still growing at the same time as well.

    And GDP wasn’t that different between the two countries in those years, not enough to explain such a huge difference in homicide rates.

    The size of the GDP is irrelevant. The process of growth creates opportunities on the market, more people are needed – less people are in need. And during a recession the process is opposite. More people get fired, less people remain afloat. This is a simple social situation.

    It is bizarre that you cannot understand it.

    Russians had been cursed with longer Soviet rule, so they had a Soviet morality which made murder come more easily to them. No matter how desperate or greedy, Poles were much less likely to kill people.

    You do not know that, because we have not seen the Poles being so desperate, ever. The economic reform in Poland was soft, there was no crisis. The Poles were getting richer and richer the entire time when the Russian people were getting poorer and poorer.

    There is nothing to compare.

    Life was also starting to get better for Russians, starting in 1998, per your chart. Yet Russian homicide rate increased, reaching a second peak in 2002, before declining under Putin’s strict rule.

    The poverty rate in 2002 was higher than in 1998. And though the situation was improving, it decreased only by three or four percent since the peak of it in 2000.

    It took time for the positive change to reach people, because it took time to create new opportunities for them after a period of depression.

    Soviet morality is such that Soviet people need a strict hand, otherwise they can’t help but rob and murder people.

    Once the Soviet morality had left the Western Ukraine, the local population – restrained no longer by the strict hand of the law – went into a frenzy and started killing and torturing their Jewish and Polish neighbors, decorating trees with corpses of the murdered babies.

    Nothing like that has ever been done by the Soviet people. Even during the war, when there was no law, the Soviet Ukrainians did not begin to kill the Jews in other cities, when the so Christian and moral western Ukrainians were doing it.

    And unlike the crime rate during an economic crisis, those events were the direct consequence of degenerated morality of those people, and nothing else.

    An additional 1.5% of GDP devoted to military spending compared to Poland would not explain a 15 times greater homicide rate. There was no Chechen war in Estonia and Ukraine yet in those countries the Soviets were also much more violent.

    An additional 1.5% of GDP devoted to military spending, as well as the atmosphere of war itself, the terrorist attacks, and the large number of people returning home from the war, as well as the weapons flowing from the war zone into other areas, contributed a lot to the growth of crime and to the economic crisis.

    And as we remember, those were not the Soviet people who were murdering the peaceful Jewish citizens – in both Estonia and Ukraine – during the war, but the local Christian and non-Soviet and so moral, pure and righteous population. The Soviet people did not do that.

    Your excuses are getting desperate. Your problem is that one who is insane is never aware that he is insane. His inability to recognize that his thinking is pathological is part of the illness.

    Lame, parrot.

    It is you who are looking stupid, repeating after me, and bringing up the same crazy arguments ten times in a row, showing how much sick in the head he is – not me.

    My as you say excuses are statistics and solid logic, and yours are typical hallucinations of a psychopath with an idée fixe. And it is your problem, that one who is insane is unaware of his madness – not mine. You are the one who is insane.

    You are the one, who is getting desperate.

    Someone born in 1975 would have been 16 when the USSR fell apart in 1991. The teachers were the some for years afterward, the parents were still Soviet parents, etc.

    What teachers, what parents?

    On the street are the teachers – the peers that are making money, when others have nothing to eat. Your neighbor who is in a gang and is driving a BMW, when your father is selling his trusty Lada. A young man is coming of age, and being a loser is the last thing he is prepared to.

    And he does not know what he is doing. He is too young to know. And will take a risk, if he is bold and strong, because others do it.

    You must have been a mama’s boy if you do not understand that.

    From your chart the arrest rate in 1994 when homicides peaked was the same as in the mid 1980s. The ratio of crimes to arrests had collapsed. Soviet people had been liberated and allowed to express their freedom – through murder.

    The arrest rate had been growing during the period between the late 80s and 2000 and in the end doubled, though the size of the police forces did not change a bit.

    As a matter of fact a lot of experienced police officers left the law enforcement during that period, due to low salaries and better opportunities elsewhere in the private sector.

    When the police is insufficient and the crime rate grows higher than the punishment rate, the snowball effect occurs – the more crimes are committed, the less is the risk of punishment. The less is the risk, the more people are willing to take it.

    And of course the opposite is true as well.

    For some reason, Soviet Buddhist peoples (Buryats, Tuvans) were particularly prone to murder others. So Soviet + Buddhism (or Mongolian ancestry, or both) seems to have an explosive effect.

    The crime rate on that map is as high in the Tomsk and the Perm areas as is in Buryatia and in Tuva, though in both of these areas there are no Buddhism, and no people of Mongolian ancestry – the share of the Russian population is 90 percent or more.

    As there are no people of Mongolian ancestry in Khabarovsk Krai and Primorsky Krai. But does it matter for a sicko with an idée fixe?

    Of course not.

    But rates are low in the Caucuses, which were not as Sovietized. The vendetta killings in those mountains were no match for Soviet-morality mayhem.

    The Caucasian republics were a lot more Sovietized than others. A lot of prominent Soviet politicians were born and raised in the Caucasus region.

    And the lower crime rate in the Russian Caucasus is explained by the fact that the Caucasian criminals operate on the Russian territory. There is nothing to fight for in Dagestan.

    The amount of information and graphic charts in this post is a lot more than enough to prove that your idea is pathological and absurd – to a sane reader.

    To an insane reader, like yourself, no proof is ever sufficient. The voices of madness are louder than the whisper of remaining sanity. Such is the nature of insanity.

    And you are truly insane. You are deeply and seriously ill.

    Your theories are the by-product of your illness, and it does not matter how many examples you will be given, it will not make you healthy.

    You are incurable and lost.

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  55. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    It is irrelevant that he is a Jew. It is irrelevant that he was born in Hungary. His views on Islam are also irrelevant.

    There are only two relevant things: he is scum and he is rich.

    Rich scum would do things to help themselves. Bad. Potentially very bad. But, still manageable.

    This is much, much worse. The IslamoSoros operates troop transports, such as Sea Watch 3 and Sea Watch 4, dedicated to bringing combat aged invaders to Christian lands. George IslamoSoros is an active, existential threat to the survival of Judeo-Christian civilization.

    This should be obvious to every Infidel — Christian, Jew, or other. Why do you have such difficulty seeing the corporeal embodiment of Satan’s evil for what it is?

    PEACE 😇

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  56. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    I take it that means the Russian public is in no mood for compromise?

    Though almost nobody sees it as anything worth celebrating, the overwhelming public attitude is that the “operation” is nasty job that must be finished, yes.

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  57. Wokechoke says:

    Might as well be titled, “Why MI6 ordered the hit on Dugina” it’s quite a confessional. The Azolstal clips with Phillips did her in.

    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/23/daria-dugina

  58. Abhraka says:
    @AP

    Sure this fantasy drivel is a bot however
    The contentions are simply lies there
    Was the economic strangulation of
    Iraq for 9 years before the brave
    Americans “took”…Hay, wait a moment,
    The Bush’s are CIA drug cartel errand boys
    For the Neocon’s who are the public faces
    Of the Jewboy Empire. There’s no America you’d have to be a Quack weather
    Android or human to proffer this snot.
    This is a Bankers Empire the countries are contrivances “America” you mean Tel Aviv and Russia which has now gathered more then half the world’s favor and forges
    A challange to the Zionist rule- bye- deathsquad world order is faltering!!! What
    A stupid little robot minded human or human imitating robot you are. Hey, you might consider running for President of these Colonies of Gteater Israel.

  59. A123 says: • Website
    @Philip Owen

    Confirmed by direct satellite observation here. (This was posted amongst the last posts on the previous thread which is now redundant).

    As this appears to be your own tweet, have you considered posting the text and embedding the graphic with native UR site functionality?

    The primary reason the prior OT became prematurely redundant is embedded tweets. With out them it could have run for several hundred more posts before mobile device issues started.

    PEACE 😇

  60. S says:

    As the subject has come up this thread, the below is a description of the economic and political basis of the modern progressive multi-cultural state, a state which, with its wage slave ‘immigrant’ (aka so called ‘cheap labor’) as it’s economic centerpiece, closely parallels in many ways the Anglosphere chattel slave holding society it directly evolved from.

    To best sum it up, in accordance with the tenants of Capitalism, with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery (ie specifically, the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system) within Anglosphere countries, chattel slavery and it’s trade was monetized rather than having been abolished.

    From a financial point of view (and this has always ever only been about money) the immigrant is the slave, for whatever period of time (days, weeks, months, years) he or she is paid significantly below* what was, or, what would of been, the prevailing real time local rates for the labor, without the immigration taking place, or, the ‘immigrant’, being present.

    Readily built into this system, should anyone get uppity about suffering under it, is a divide and conquer, divide and rule strategy for corrupt elites and hangers on to utilize, as succinctly described on pg 4 of a 2003 academic paper which I’ve excerpted and linked below:

    ‘..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier’ (periphery); and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’

    * For instance, Chinese ‘imported’ by diktat into California in the 1870’s were often being paid only about a third what everyone else was being paid for the same labor.

    https://www.academia.edu/2116622/Between_urban_and_national_45_Political_mobilization_among_46_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_4847_towns_

  61. Derer says:
    @Sean

    “America still spanks Russia,”

    You would be a good stand up comedian. They intended to spank, but Russia spanked them so badly that debilitating march on Washington can materialize any time. Russia can crank it up anytime but prefer waiting for the within coup on Greenberg regime.

  62. Derer says:
    @Philip Owen

    On the other hand you are judging Washington strength by a sole Grenada win.

  63. S says:
    @Yahya

    If a civil war were to occur in France, i’m pretty sure it would just be Maghrebis vs French. Sort of a rematch of the Algerian War of Independence. Maghrebis have the numbers and human capital to put up a fight against the French on their own.

    If such a war took place, and the French correctly kicked out all the colonists and settlers, and then dealt with the collaborators who had supported and enabled the attempted genocide in the truest sense of that term, they would have to come up with a name for the struggle.

    ‘Civil war’ doesn’t really fit.

    The ‘French War of National Liberation’ sounds good.

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    , @Wokechoke
  64. Derer says:
    @AP

    gullible that you believe anything the Russian government claims.

    Real hilarious. Are you suggesting that the “WMD” CIA, that your gullible being exclusively believe, is the best source on Ukraine. Hello, they are losing.

  65. A123 says: • Website
    @S

    ‘Civil war’ doesn’t really fit.

    The ‘French War of National Liberation’ sounds good

    De-Islamification is even better. Assimilation of Christians into Europe is possible if the numbers can be limited. Ditto for South & Central American Christians in the U.S.

    Muslims cannot assimilate. The Pulse Nightclub, Allah Gay Ahkbar, butcher was theoretically not a threat as a 2nd generation import. The only way to prevent Muslim depravity, violence, and sexual deviance in Christendom is having a local Muslim population of zero.

    That, of course, will not end every problem. However, it is irrefutably the necessary first step.

    PEACE 😇

  66. Yahya says:
    @German_reader

    That’s just an unproven assertion which doesn’t make any sense…why should a society become stronger by arbitrarily executing hundreds of thousands of its own citizens, including a high percentage of its army officers and leading members of the ruling party?

    Apparently roughly 35,000–40,000 officers (35% of the total officer corps) were removed from their commands, shot or sent to labor camps during the Great Purges. The eliminated included three of the five Soviet marshals, thirteen of the fifteen army commanders, fifty-seven of the eighty-seven corps commanders, 110 of the 195 divisional commanders, and all but one fleet commander in the navy. Among the executed was the brilliant Soviet commander Mikhail Tukhachevsky. By the eve of World War 2, three quarters of the Soviet officer crops were individuals with less than one years’ experience in their posts.

    I don’t see how anyone can possibly think removing this many experienced commanders and officers can be anything but detrimental to military effectiveness. Gerard will have to explain himself here.

    Maybe some sort of disaster was always likely to happen. Stalin’s way of forced industrialization in the 1930s was really especially brutal though, not clear at all that there was no alternative to such methods.

    The Soviet Unions’ rapid industrialization under Stalin is frequently brought up by Stalin sympathizers (“He found Russia working with wooden plows and left her equipped with atomic piles”), but really they are falling into the elementary trap of ascribing causation to a leader without properly asking if such an event would have occurred had there not been a Stalin. To answer the question you need to delve into comparisons and counterfactuals (“what ifs”), which is difficult and filled with uncertainty, but is necessary if you want to determine the degree of causation of any particular variable.

    A group of American and Russian economists looked into the question of Stalin’s role in industrializing Russia (you can read their paper here: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w19425/w19425.pdf). First they conducted a counterfactual by extrapolating Tsarist (1885-1913) growth rates until 1940; in effect seeing what would’ve happened had the Witte-Stolypin policies continued in comparison to Lenin and Stalin’s communistic policies. They show a net loss of 1% in consumption over the long run due to Stalin policies; and a 24% loss in the short run for the period of 1928-1940. However, Stalin’s policies were a relative improvement over Lenin’s New Economic Policy (NEP), which coincided with dramatic drops in GDP following the war which didn’t recover to its pre-war level until 1930.

    They also compared Russia’s economic performance against Japan; since Japan had approximately the same level of economic growth rates pre-WW1; thus provided a good basis for comparison. They found that Russian economic growth post-1928 lagged Japan’s; such that Japan was 31% better off than Russia in consumer welfare terms by 1940.

    View post on imgur.com

    So overall Stalin’s policies were an improvement over Lenin’s, and probably did help accelerate industrialization in comparison to Tsarist policies. But they came at a severe human cost (2.9 million Ukrainians and 4.2 million throughout the USSR perished in the famine of 1933; which is a direct result of Stalin’s collectivization drive). If the USSR had followed a more Japanese-style of development; they could’ve reached higher economic levels by the time the war started.

    [MORE]

    Re, Gulags: According to Solzhenitsyn it was Lenin, not Stalin, who was responsible for creating the Gulag. The first Soviet concentration camps for political prisoners were built in the 1920s. But the Gulag population reached its zenith a couple of decade later, at the end of the 1940s and in the early 1950s under Stalin’s rule.

    Contrary to Gerard’s Zhirinovsky-like assertions that Gulags were helpful in spurring artistic inspiration; Charles Murray found that the Soviet Union’s record up to 1950 amounted to only 11 significant scientific figures who had made their reputations under Soviet rule, compared with 105 in the United States during the same period (1920–1950). Of those 11 significant Soviet figures, their life stories point to the repressive system stifling their productivity rather than enhancing it.

    Isaak Babel was sent to the Gulag in the 1930s and died there. Valentin Katayev restricted himself to light humor or stories about children (who could be portrayed naturalistically, to a degree). Konstantine Fedin’s one good novel was written in 1924, after which he parroted the Party line and helped prosecute writers who did not. Yuri Olesha was disgraced during the 1930s and rehabilitated only after Stalin died. Mikhail Sholokhov wrote his masterpiece, Tikhy Don, in his twenties and thereafter, writing under the eye of the Party, produced only hack work. Satirist Mikhail Zoshchenko was brought under strict scrutiny after 1930 and expelled in disgrace from the Union of Soviet Writers in 1946.

    —————————-

    Btw, do you happen to have heard of a General by the name of Kurt von Hammerstein, or have you read Hans Magnus Enzensberger’s The Silences of Hammerstein? I read that book years ago when I was in college. It left a great impact on me and remains one of my top 5 favorite books of all-time.

    Hammerstein is somewhat famous in military and managerial circles for this quote of his:

    I divide my officers into four classes as follows: the clever, the industrious, the lazy, and the stupid. Each officer always possesses two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious I appoint to the General Staff. Use can under certain circumstances be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy qualifies for the highest leadership posts. He has the requisite and the mental clarity for difficult decisions. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous.

    If you read Enzensberger’s book you’ll find a lot more of these shrewd observations. Some good ones: “Regulations are for the stupid”, “keep your head clear for important decisions”, “one has to have time to think. Diligence is only an intrusion”, and caustically referring to the Nazi leadership as “crooks and scoundrels”. He was also very perceptive in analyzing political events ahead of their time. He told anyone who would listen that Germany would lose the war, even in the early stages when it was far from evident. He once informed Colonel-General Ludwig Beck in his typically compact style that “a fatal accident will occur” during Hitler’s planned visit to Hammerstein’s base of command; but which ultimately did not occur. Some final words from his death bed: “I am ashamed to have belonged in an army, that witnessed and tolerated all the crimes”.

    An intriguing and admirable man. Recommend the book.

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  67. songbird says:

    I’ve mentioned this before, but it bears repeating: the Japanese have a fairly good idea of place.

    They often location-scout for anime, for instance finding an interesting urban crossroads, or an old castle. Or they send artists to a place to get inspired by the architecture. If it is a story set in Japan, you can tell it is in Japan. If, OTOH, it is Euro-inspired, you can tell it is Euro-inspired, even if it might be a fusion of two places.

    This is a feeling which Hollywood has always been lacking. The place was chosen for being sunny, which is actually somewhat alien to, if not the Med, at least large parts of Northern Europe. The locations have generally been a poor simulacrum of other places. Too sunny. Too dusty, too obviously hot.

    There is something unnatural in trying to shoot Boswell Park as Sherwood Forrest. And something even worse, when unions prevented any shot from being more than 30 miles away for the studio.

    There is also something wrong how, in later years, generic American shots for a global audience were readily interchanged with generic Canadian shots, that were specifically chosen to remove any idea of place.

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  68. @Philip Owen

    You posted the same map a few days ago, before alleged counter-offensive. Did any differences appear after Ukies started their operation? If yes, show the comparison. If no, we know well enough what this means.

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  69. @A123

    corporeal embodiment of Satan’s evil

    I am sure that Satan looks a lot better than Soros. Soros looks like he died a few days ago. No such luck, though.

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  70. Mr. Hack says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Don’t forgt that he loves to idolize all things Russian…..yet, he’s in no hurry to move back. 🙂

  71. @AnonfromTN

    This is the same map I postedon the other thread. I chaeck the map regularly. There are differences to normal on the right bank of the Dneipr where the attack is taking place. Generally Russian positions are being hit. The shelling in the Donbas is more intense than a few days ago. Both sides are being hit. The last one I tweeted was 28 July. Less was happening in Kherson. There was intense burning of fields just to the north of Crimea.

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  72. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    Most American drawn form works are aimed at younger audiences.

    Japan is willing to tackle serious subjects in drawn form. While not all anime is good some of it is:

    — Outstanding and insightful: Ghost in the Shell, 2nd GIG, Standalone Complex
    — Ludicrous and Parody: FLCL (Japanese: フリクリ, Hepburn: Furi Kuri) is hysterically funny.
    — Light Entertainment: Samurai Champloo

    Star Blazers / Space Battleship Yamato was amazing as a kid. It had a story arc that lasted for a season.
    __

    If anyone has deep Anime recall, there was a short that involved the “(?) Game of Oh To Ko Yo” where children entered a maze wearing animal masks… It was well done and very, very dark subject matter. Because I do not have the correct name in any language, I cannot locate it again.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
  73. Yevardian says:

    @German_Reader

    That’s just an unproven assertion which doesn’t make any sense…why should a society become stronger by arbitrarily executing hundreds of thousands of its own citizens, including a high percentage of its army officers and leading members of the ruling party?
    And if we entertain your thought experiment for a moment and concede that all those hundreds of thousands executed and millions sent into internal exile were genuinely guilty, what would it say about the Soviet system that it generated such immense disloyalty? Either Stalin was a paranoid psychopath who ruined the lives of millions for no good reason at all (my view)…or the system he headed was so defective that millions did become traitors. Not exactly a success story in either case.

    My cautious opinion, and I suspect one shared by Gerard, is that Lenin the other old Bolsheviks and Trotsky, came very close to permanently destroying Russia as a great power, and that Stalin succeeded in rescuing the Russian state from those millennarian fanatics, which is the proper context for the purges.
    They were essentially willing, even eager, to throw Russian society, along all the peoples incorporated into its empire, on the pire in an all or nothing crusade for to destroy capitalism, which they genuinely believed had reached its terminal, ‘imperial’ stage with WW1.
    Their mentality was the same as the staring-into-oblivion statements made by Khomeini during the early years of the Iranian revolution, [paraphrasing] ‘I care nothing for Iran. If the entire country was wiped off the face of the earth, I would be completely indifferent. Man-made nations mean nothing to the true believer. All that matters is that the will of God be enacted on this earth.’

    He was eventually forced to ‘take the poisoned chalice’, but only after a decade of grinding war against an Iraq, which virtually the entire world supported against him. If Trotsky or some other fanatic like him was able to take charge of the USSR instead of Stalin, their foreign policy would have been similarly suicidal. An alternate WWII could have happened with Russia taking the place of Germany, almost certainly ending with a Morgenthau-plan type dismemberment.

    Depending on how conspiracy-minded I’m feeling, this could have been the endgame planned by those Western and Jewish financiers that initially supported Bolsheviks and other revolutionary terrorists as far back as the 1890s. Stalin exterminated most of this original 5th column, though many of their spiritual or literal descendants like Gessen are still around.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @German_reader
  74. Yevardian says:
    @Yahya

    The Soviet Unions’ rapid industrialization under Stalin is frequently brought up by Stalin sympathizers (“He found Russia working with wooden plows and left her equipped with atomic piles”), but really they are falling into the elementary trap of ascribing causation to a leader without properly asking if such an event would have occurred had there not been a Stalin.

    Of course it could have, and would have, happened both more efficiently and in far more human circumstances. But that leaves aside the wider political circumstances of the USSR being left a pariah state, Pilsudski’s grandiose ‘prometheanism’ dreams, a Japan covetously eyeing Siberia, a Germany extremely resentful about losing vast swathes of Russia only due to barely losing to the Western powers, a Turkey willing to massacre its way to Azerbaijan given the opportunity, and many, many other factors.

    As Stalin said, [paraphrasing again] ‘we have to industrialise within the decade, or they will crush us’.

  75. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    corporeal embodiment of Satan’s evil

    I am sure that Satan looks a lot better than Soros. Soros looks like he died a few days ago. No such luck, though

    We can examine the photo evidence…

    PEACE 😇

     

     

  76. @Philip Owen

    There was intense burning of fields just to the north of Crimea.

    Considering the latitude of the area and the fact that it’s the end of August, it cannot be burning of crops: the crops were harvested weeks ago. Could be the burning of straw left after the harvest.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Philip Owen
  77. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    “Telling” is an understatement. It’s absolutely fucking outrageous.

  78. @Yahya

    Mikhail Sholokhov wrote his masterpiece, Tikhy Don, in his twenties and thereafter, writing under the eye of the Party, produced only hack work.

    He did not write The Silent Don.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Kryukov

    And the others you have mentioned were nobodies. The greatest Russian writer of that time was Mikhail Bulgakov, and Stalin admired him. Even though his best work – The Master and Margarita – was censored and was not published, it was still written.

    Among other best examples of great literature of the time was The Little Golden Calf, a satirical novel published in 1931. Nothing bad happened to the authors. Quite the opposite – both went sent to the United States and traveled there for ten weeks, which resulted in One-storied America, published in 1937 and translated into English soon thereafter.

    That book received a lot of favorable reviews.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-storied_America

    These are two of the most notable examples, but there are others.

    Maxim Gorky finished The Life of Klim Samgin during the 1930s, Aleksey Tolstoy wrote Peter the First during the same time. Ivan Yefremov wrote The Land of Foam in 1946.

    Any of these pieces are more significant than the entire body of work of the authors you listed in aggregate.

  79. Wokechoke says:
    @AnonfromTN

    The Ukie photo recreating Panzer grenadiers and PzKw advancing through the wheat suggests there’s still fields that have to be harvested on the Nikolaev-Kherson axis. Unless of course that is a photo from the training in Aldershot on Salisbury Plain.

  80. @Mr. Hack

    I saw more moving pictures released from the Russian side of the argument, so uh, they won the whole thing for me you know, because of like, better propaganda.

  81. Pixo says:
    @German_reader

    “ On the other hand, lunatic ideas like transgenderism and “antiracism” are US imports”

    The mass mainstream versions became popular in the US and Canada first then later Europe.

    However, the initial intellectual movements came from France and Germany: post modernism, nihilism, white ethnomasochism.

    Also coming from Germany/France is: the modern concept of homosexuality as a permanent identity rather than proclivity; street fighting antifa leftists; illiberal leftists again free speech.

    My genealogy of these ideas as a big woke package is they were imported from Europe into the US via humanities departments and over time here were dumbed down, moderated a little bit, and made more corporate friendly. They then were reimported into Europe.

    An interesting wrinkle is that Euro professors of philosophy were the big initial innovators, but never penetrated even a single major US or British philosophy department, who basically conspired to keep “Continentals” off their faculty. Instead they came via English and Political Science departments, which are pretty big in US universities, and new but usually small all-far-left departments like Women’s Studies. From there they next moved to large and low-standards Education schools.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  82. @Wokechoke

    The Ukie photo

    Ukie photos and videos are just as truthful as their words. They were caught posting images of one thing and calling it another innumerable times. Quite understandable: when you are losing, lies are your only refuge.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  83. @Wokechoke

    In Russian occupied areas the fields are being burnt off by the Russian army, presumably to drive the Ukrainian farmers (who tend to be Ukrainian) out of business and out of the area. Genocide actually.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  84. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Venezuela is one of many examples, showing that culture, history, and “type of people” are not a valid argument in this discussion.

    So you deny that culture, history, genetics, etc. – anything other than economics – influences crime rate.

    “A much better comparison is to other eastern Europeans, who have similar cultures, genetics, and histories involving Soviet rule and its collapse.”

    There are no other countries in Europe that experienced a crisis of comparable magnitude.
    Except for perhaps Albania – and here it is.

    There is a direct correlation between these two. The more people facing the danger of becoming homeless, the more people embracing the crime out of desperation.

    You have simply demonstrated that a people who had lived under Communism engaged in mass killing have they got poorer. It is exactly what I said – while desperation and greed can happen anywhere, people with Communist morality are more likely to turn to murder in such cases.

    In order to make a comparison, however, we would need to have a part of Albania that did not undergo Communism and compare the effect of the economic crisis on it. Who is more likely to become murderous when they experience economic hardship – the ones who lived longer under Communism, or less under it?

    Your example does not provide that.

    But Ukraine offers just such a comparison. (I posted these two images on the other thread but it has become lengthy and hard to access so I am reposting here)

    Per capita assault rate. The green line is the border between less-Soviet people in the West, and more-Soviet people in the East. The people in the East lived under Communism since 1920, in the West since 1945 (plus nearly 2 years in 1939-1941).

    Another aspect of morality involves irresponsibility and sexual . Out of wedlock birth rates capture this. Here they are. Again, the green line is the border between less Soviet in the West, and more Soviet in the East:

    As soon as the border is crossed, the rate goes up.

    It is rather clear, but you made some excuses, and these will now be addressed.

    First you used the excuse of population density, and posted map. But it showed that many areas with higher population in the west had lower social problems than in the east.

    Again, the green line:

    So you were proven wrong, and then changed your argument:

    The share of urban population is more important than the density. And in the Zhytomyr area it is larger – 60 percent, than in the Rivne area – 47,5 percent. [two neighboring provinces]

    In Zhytomir it is 58.9% urban.

    The difference in assault and out of wedlock birthrates between Rivne and Zhytomir provinces exceeds the difference in percentage of rural versus urban population. On the latter measure it is more than twice higher in Zhytomir.

    But Lviv is 60.7% urban and has a far lower assault rate and out of wedlock birth rate.

    You will of course come up with another excuse in order to support your denial of the obvious deleterious effect of Soviet rule on morality. Nicer architecture in Lviv?

    Your theory is a product of pathological thinking. You are suffering from a serious mental illness.

    Given your established use of projection we can assume that you were at one time a psychiatric patient.

    Here is the Rivne area, and in 2014 it had a higher crime rate than Zhytomyr. According to your idiotic theory the more immoral people of Zhytomyr are supposed to commit more crimes.

    Yes, you managed to cherry-pick a specific year when Rivne had a higher crime rate. But Volyn’s was lower. And as you can see on this map, it is lower almost everywhere west of the 1945 border (less Soviet) than East of it.

    Moreover, I posted assault rate and rate of out of wedlock births. You posted crime overall. So the people of Rivne are far less violent and far more responsible for their children (and/or more sexually moral) than are the Sovietized people of Zhytomir, but they apparently commit more nonviolent crimes.

    Anyways, it didn’t last. Here is 2017-2018:

    https://datatowel.in.ua/crime

    The typical pattern.

    We need to see the big picture, and not a couple of areas.

    The big picture is that the places in Ukraine that experienced less Communism had fewer murders than those that had more Communism.

    If your theory was correct it would work in other places and in other times the same way, but it does not work.

    It works in Estonia with Soviet colonizers (26% of the population) committing around 56% of that country’s murders. However, Ukraine is a better example because there is no ethnicity confound.

    A birth outside of marriage is not a crime but is also related to poverty. Poor people marry less,

    It is related to irresponsibility and extramarital sex. It represents moral failure.

    The share of rural population is larger in the west, and peasant families were not affected by the crisis as much as people living in the cities.

    Sure, but as we have seen in the maps I provided, there are plenty of rural places in the center and east. These are more criminal and immoral than rural places in the West.

    “No, the Soviet system created people who were more immoral.”

    More than who – the Americans, that slaughtered the population of an entire continent? Or the western Ukrainians, that slaughtered one hundred thousand Polish women and children in two months?

    Now you are mixing political crimes with crimes of everyday life (and the estimate varies from 60,000 to 100,000). In the 1930s and 1940s otherwise civilized peoples such as Germans, Japanese, Croats, western Ukrainians did horrible things during warfare. A far smaller amount of UPA fighters (probably less than 5,000) were involved in killing all of those Poles, than Soviets were engaging in murdering one another in their neighborhood. It was not a natural inclination because it was the only tome those people did that. Soviet on the other hand were engaging in mass murder of their neighbors year after year after year.

    The Soviet people did not do that.

    The Soviets murdered 150,000 Poles in the area they controlled prior to World War II, so there were not many Poles left to kill there.

    And Volhynia is a lot less densely populated than many more-Soviet regions of Ukraine. Yet it has higher rates of violence than those places.

    Every year before or since showed a different pattern.

    Here is 2017-2018:

    https://datatowel.in.ua/crime

    You see how clear the West is – both rural and urban – compared to even rural areas in the center and east.

    The higher the share of urban population is, the higher is the crime rate.

    You keep telling yourself that but the reality as seen above is more complex – Soviet rule makes a huge difference.

    “Galicia has about 1/3 the rate of assaults and out-of-wedlock births than rural, more-Soviet Kirovhrad oblast does.”

    Kirovohrad region has more than 300 deposits of valuable minerals – there is coal, iron, nickel, and even uranium. Galicia has a bit of coal but no iron.

    And Galicia has gas.

    More urban Galicia has lower crime than rural Cherkassy, also.

    “So within Estonia, we have the same pattern as in Ukraine: the more Soviet the population, the more likely they are to murder people. Within Estonia, the Russians had been under Soviet rule for 25 years longer, so therefore they were more likely to murder.”

    Within Estonia the Russians were discriminated against, and therefore they were a lot more likely to become poor and desperate. Everyone knows that the Russians were, and are discriminated against in Estonia.

    Do you have evidence that within Estonia the Russians were poorer than the Estonians?

    On top of that the Russian people are stronger and more courageous, than are the Estonian fishermen. And the strong rob the weak, not the other way round.

    Here we have a demonstration of the Soviet mentality. Murdering someone is a sign of “strength” and “courage.”

    Here is Lithuania – it has 5 percent of the Russian colonizers. Not enough for them to make a significant contribution to the crime rate.

    And as a result its homicide rate was lower than in Estonia.

    Yet it had a lot higher crime rate than Armenia and Azerbaijan.

    Different cultures, different peoples.

    And if we are to believe your absurd idea then it must be because these three peoples [Azeris, Turkmen and Uzbeks] retained a more traditional pre-Soviet culture than was the case in Europe.

    Of course they did.

    However in Europe the much more Soviet Belarus and Moldova also had a lot lower crime rate.

    Belarus retained its Soviet repressive apparatus, plus a large piece of it was annexed in 1945.

    When people remain without the means to survive they usually have three choices. One is to become homeless, another is to commit suicide, and the last one – to commit a crime.

    Murder is not necessary for survival in the post-Soviet world. Otherwise poor places like western Ukraine would have higher homicide rates than wealthier regions rather than 1/3 the rate.

    If a person has a wife and a little child or two, what is moral? Let them die of hunger, or to kill another person to let them live

    Are you suggesting that the Russians in Estonia had to kill in order to save their families from starvation?

    Again, here is an example of you being crazy and then accusing others of being what you are.

    Or within Poland, or any other country? There are areas with higher crime rate everywhere.

    I never claimed that Soviet rule was the only cause of crime anywhere in the world. But Soviet morality is a major cause of criminality in places where the Soviets ruled.

    In the case of Poland, the areas that were resettled under the Communists after the Germans were expelled were more Soviet than the other parts of Poland. So they have more crime. Traditional parts of Poland have less crime. So urban Krakow region has less crime than urban western regions, where uprooted people were settled by the Communist government, and rural eastern Poland (despite being the poorest part of Poland) less crime than the rural parts of western Poland.

    “Russians had been cursed with longer Soviet rule, so they had a Soviet morality which made murder come more easily to them. No matter how desperate or greedy, Poles were much less likely to kill people.”

    You do not know that, because we have not seen the Poles being so desperate, ever.

    But Western Ukraine was very poor, poorer than other parts of Ukraine. Yet those people weren’t killing one another as more-Soviet Ukrainians were.

    Average pay in the year 2000:

    Compare to violent crime rate (it was 2010)

    Once the Soviet morality had left the Western Ukraine, the local population – restrained no longer by the strict hand of the law – went into a frenzy and started killing and torturing their Jewish and Polish neighbors

    Some of them were driven to a frenzy by having their own people murdered and deported en masse, and being subject to Soviet and Nazi demoralization.

    Not by making \$35 or whatever per month, which is all it took a far larger number of Soviet to start killing one another.

    Nothing like that has ever been done by the Soviet people. Even during the war, when there was no law, the Soviet Ukrainians did not begin to kill the Jews in other cities

    Most concentration camp guards were Soviet Ukrainians, not western ones. Soviet evacuated a higher percentage of Jews from central and eastern Ukraine than from western Ukraine.

    An additional 1.5% of GDP devoted to military spending, as well as the atmosphere of war itself, the terrorist attacks, and the large number of people returning home from the war, as well as the weapons flowing from the war zone into other areas, contributed a lot to the growth of crime and to the economic crisis.

    But central and eastern Ukraine did not experience these things, yet had a far higher murder rate than did western Ukraine.

    “Someone born in 1975 would have been 16 when the USSR fell apart in 1991. The teachers were the some for years afterward, the parents were still Soviet parents, etc.”

    What teachers, what parents?

    On the street are the teachers – the peers that are making money, when others have nothing to eat. Your neighbor who is in a gang and is driving a BMW, when your father is selling his trusty Lada. A young man is coming of age, and being a loser is the last thing he is prepared to.

    And he does not know what he is doing. He is too young to know. And will take a risk, if he is bold and strong, because others do it.

    You must have been a mama’s boy if you do not understand that.

    Thank you. A perfect illustration of Soviet morality, that leads to mass murder. Similarities between Soviet culture and American ghetto culture.

    • Thanks: Pixo, Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  85. @AnonfromTN

    My thought to start with. However it is particularly intense in the occupied area. So I shift to unharvested crops. Burn them, bankrupt the farms, achieve ethnic cleansing.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  86. @Wokechoke

    I just posted about Ukie photo lies, and here is a fresh one:
    https://t.me/kommunist/8916
    One of Ukie telegram channels posted a picture of allegedly Russian armored vehicle destroyed by Ukie artillery directed by guerilla fighters. There is a sheet attached to the burned out vehicle saying something to the effect that Ukie guerillas are always close. One little problem: the destroyed vehicle is British Husky TSV, supplied to Ukies by the UK. If “Philip Owen” is actually a Brit, he should recognize it.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  87. Jazman says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Before SMO Ukies had more tanks and artillery then Germanu , UK . France , Italy and Spain combined plus experienced troops and officer core .
    Ukie army can wipe out any Euro army with ease , meantime Russia and allies have only 167.000 soldiers and new units are forming now with extra 50.000
    Also according to Ukies they killed 80.000 Russian soldiers and lost only 9000 so peactically there is no Ru army left .

  88. @Philip Owen

    Good story. If only it were true. But reality should never get in the way of propaganda. Just ask Dr. Goebbels.

  89. Wokechoke says:
    @Philip Owen

    Why didn’t the Russians torch the field that’s being attacked in that peculiar image?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  90. Dmitry says:
    @Yevardian

    This doesn’t make sense if you know the history as Lenin was less “communist believer” than Stalin and has been cautious to try to follow a mixed capitalist/socialist policy, which is more like the model for China today. You need to read carefully Lenin and Stalin’s writings, especially late writing of Stalin.

    It’s only after Lenin dies, then Stalin was crazy enough to really try communism and collectivization. It’s because Stalin was a more serious and less cynical believer than Lenin.

    It’s because Stalin has really believed Marxism–Leninism, would be successful, while Lenin worried it would not be successful in Russia. Lenin was cautious and his policy by comparison is somewhat more like Deng Xiaoping, with space for compromises and practical delays. He was too scared and cautious to begin collectivization.

    Lenin’s plan was for development and steps before the country would collectivized. If Lenin has not died early, they would try to follow more policy which is, other things equal, a little more like in China after Deng Xiaoping, in comparison to Stalin who has sincerely followed communism.

    Lenin is worried that his policy is not going to be successful in the short term and that Russia is not prepared for communism. He believes it firstly needs to develop with a mixed-capitalist stage and he wants to delay the move to communism.

    But Stalin’s writing always believes communism like a religious text, although in a very simplistic and not so intelligent way compared to Lenin. The crazy thing is that Stalin actually succeeded not exactly with communist utopia or kindness for workers, but with industrialization of the country and the rise to a superpower.

    Stalin attained industrialization successes of post-Deng Xiaoping Chinese leaders, but he was using real command economics more like Mao to attain the successful results.

    Another unusual thing about Stalin is that he is able to continue as orthodox communist believer until his death and views all the conflicts he has with other communists as a counter-revolutionary action. Stalin was not a cynical communist leader, but a real believer of communism until his final day.

    This is probably one of the secrets of Stalin’s success, is that he really believes his enemies are counter-revolutionaries. He really believes he is the inheritor of the revolution. He believed it all more than his enemies.

    Stalin’s brutality is related to his ability to believe his enemies are counter-revolutionaries as Robespierre. If he had been cynical, he would have been less brutal. In the Iranian context, Stalin would be Khomeini. In the Chinese context, would be Mao. But unlike those, he has succeeded creating a superpower.

    An idea Stalin has betrayed the revolution is introduced in Soviet history by the authorities after he died and has many objective reasons, as Stalin has created a traditional dictatorship where he is dictator. But Stalin would have viewed this later description as crazy and counter-revolutionary disinformation. For Stalin believed and acted in many ways, nobody in the USSR was more honest to revolution than Stalin. Probably if Lenin lived more years, the country’s industrial ascension could be less violent, but also less rapid than with Stalin.

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Yevardian
  91. Wokechoke says:

    According to the numbers published the Russians have 30 BTG on the west bank of the Dneiper. That means they have 300 tanks (10 per BTG) over there at any one time and 30,000 men. That’s not a difficult number to replenish with barges, various rafts with outboard motors, cargo helicopter lifts. It’s certainly not an ideal resupply situation. BUT… in 1942 the Russians kept around 57,000 men in Stalingrad with 100 tanks with zero bridges supplying them. This force was constantly under bombings from Stukas, heavy German shelling and had no air force covering them. The Germans attacked hard with 170,000 men, wiped out the Russians but lost around 60,000 dead doing it. The Germans did capture the city by any conventional measure. The remnant of the German force and it’s rear echelon was surrounded by a wider strategic encirclements that met at Kalach cutting off the German supply. Eventually 250,000 Germans were scooped up in the encirclement in Winter.

    Wider geography in Kherson doesn’t match the Stalingrad situation, but certain aspects of the strategic problems that the Germans had are shared by Ukraine. The Ukies have to get a win in before winter and they can only do this around Kherson. If the Russians over winter in Kherson they will push onto Odessa when the rivers ice up or the thaw comes in Spring. Attacking Kherson without the “Stukas” and without the 3:1 ratio is throwing away good men.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Beckow
  92. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    cynical believer than Lenin.

    Although we inherited the saintly view of Lenin, to be honest if you read his writing now, you can see he was more than average cynical personality in some ways (although at least not materialistically like today in the postsoviet leaders), part of the reason as he wrote the texts and theory as only means to end, which is to attain revolution and control of vast empire. Those writings are not anything like ends in themselves or objective descriptions.*

    Lenin customized theory in arbitrary ways for political reasons, uses terminology of Marxism, while disobeying its most important rules. After he brutally wins the revolution, he can add extra assumptions in theory to allow practical policies of being a pragmatic ruler, including even the promotion of state capitalism as the official policy of the Soviet government.

    But Stalin really believes the theories and can talk for many hours repeating like a textbook. This is why a lot of his policies seem crazy, because he was confident that theory is supporting him. For this reason, he be more confident than Lenin that collectivization will be successful. He was also confident to ignore Lenin while Lenin is still living, because Lenin was less following his own theories.

    Stalin has a kind of anti-cynicism, of difficulty to separate reality from his personal belief. This was also part of his successful leadership in the war, where in every military operation it is impossible and also objectively unacceptable there will be failure. If something is failing, it is because of saboteurs, traitors or another’s incompetence.

    In his late writings and talks, every unusual thing in the country which is really related to Stalin’s personality, he is believing as being consistent with the most orthodox communism. He also has a cult of personality, but he wants to see himself as an impersonal representation of communism. This is also how he is justifying sometimes brutal relations with his family, because he is viewing himself as an ordinary worker, who is only powerful because he represents forces of history, not because of personal wishes.

    *Many very cynical aspects of Lenin’s theories are shown in the later Soviet history after the war, as for example being the world’s most powerful empire, while teaching that imperialism is impossible for the Soviet Union. Of course, Lenin’s external policy was immediately imperialist.

  93. @Matra

    also conservatives will be busy to defend strict abortion legislation, no time to counter mass migration.

    • Agree: Matra
  94. Coconuts says:
    @Pixo

    Also coming from Germany/France is: the modern concept of homosexuality as a permanent identity rather than proclivity; street fighting antifa leftists; illiberal leftists again free speech.

    It is probably worth taking into account that in France and Germany these things arose in political ecosystems where the right-wing was more robust and uncompromising than Anglo-conservativism.

    You can see it in French conservatism, where the idea that the Declaration of the Rights of Man was a ‘signal of desolation and evil’ or that 1789 and its principles were radically evil and bad was much more mainstream. Anglo conservatives seem to have been quite good at gatekeeping these ideas and keeping them out, while allowing the left-wing continental content to enter.

    It looks like they were relying on something like tacit hereditary custom, ethnic homogeneity and assumed religion instead, now much of that is disappearing so they look weaker against the left.

  95. LondonBob says:
    @Yahya

    A South African told me that the blacks don’t like whites, but they really hate Indians. The Zulus mostly attacked the Indians when there was unrest there a few months ago. As with most things in this regard it is projection of their own prejudices and wishes, rather than anything grounded in reality.

    Still allowing Jewish controlled US media companies like Netflix or Comcast to spread their filth is a complete failure of government.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  96. Yevardian says:
    @LondonBob

    A South African told me that the blacks don’t like whites, but they really hate Indians.

    Based.

  97. @German_reader

    Well, I’m just a glib foreigner living in Russia (I don’t really believe in the AP-pill) but I think the general attitude is that the war is tragic but unavoidable. Most Russian people are pained by the situation, but even many of those with relatives in Ukraine don’t see a stable solution besides destroying the Ukrainian state.

  98. The traditional pilgrimage to Pochaev for the Feast of the Dormition was harassed by Ukrainian nationalists, and Ternopil oblast deputies want to drive out the monks and give the monastery to the schismatics.

    https://gorthodox.com/en/news-item/nationalists-want-to-evict-monks-from-one-of-russia-s-greatest-monasteries-in-west-ukraine-pochaev

    Based and AP-pilled, but many Athonite fathers are warning Greek bishops that concelebrating with the schismatic Epiphany runs the risk of damnation.

    https://orthochristian.com/147929.html

    • Replies: @AP
  99. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    As the war in Ukraine progresses, I have taken the AP-pill: it’s OK to kill people, so long as they are below average and uncultured

    I have expressed contempt for Donbas’ Sovietized population but have not wished death upon them. Their plight is truly tragic.

    Russians have accused Ukrainian nationalists of wanting to genocide Donbas, but the Russians are the ones who have killed thousands of them and laid their cities to waste. The recent claims about Mariupol morgues having over 100,000 dead might be true. If so, the “liberation” of Donbas is more deadly for the inhabitants than was the liberation of Chechnya. Just as Stalin killed more Poles than the Banderists managed to, so Putin erases much of the Russians and Russian-speakers from southeast Ukraine.

    Have you been in touch with your wife’s family in Ukraine? How goes it, what are their attitudes?

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  100. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    The traditional pilgrimage to Pochaev for the Feast of the Dormition was harassed by Ukrainian nationalists, and Ternopil oblast deputies want to drive out the monks and give the monastery to the schismatics

    The “schismatics” being the Church under the Patriarch of Constantinople. The Lavra was under Constantinople until the Bolsheviks seized it in 1939 and gave it to their pet Church.

    We have a situation where the ex-KGB snitch Patriarch of Russia presents his Church as the real one and the others as schismatics.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  101. A123 says: • Website

    Back in 2015 when the migrant crisis first began, there were just a few countries that stood against migrant quotas, with the Visegrád Four, made up of Hungary, Poland, Czechia, and Slovakia, the most vocally opposed. These countries were effective against a push for migrant quotas because of their ability to veto any such proposal, but that veto power is on the cusp of being lost.

    Scholz is proposing that the EU abolishes the veto in key areas before expanding it, with the focus on foreign policy and taxation, saying he seeks a “gradual transition to majority voting.” If such a scenario were to come into effect, Hungary would be forced to give up Russian oil and gas if the majority of EU member states called for an end to it, a move that would likely bankrupt its economy. On the issue of migration, migrant quotas would most likely be implemented across the EU. It would effectively mark the end to sovereignty in Europe, allowing the liberal-left to steam-roll every conservative party agenda for potentially decades to come.


    Polish commentators also mockingly pointed out that Germany could “lead the way” by already giving up its veto power.

    “There is nothing to prevent the German government from unilaterally declaring that it is giving up its veto right in order to show others the way. Perhaps some other countries will follow suit and decide to take a similar step,” said Sławomir Dębski, the director of the Polish Institute of International Affairs (PISM).

    The only glimmer of good news is that:
        • Sovereign nations are not stupid enough to agree.
        • Scholz has made ‘reform’ a prerequisite for EU expansion.

    The bad news is Scholz & Macron are calling for a new concept, the European Political Community [EPC], that could be used to ensnare non-EU countries.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/czech-republic/germanys-scholz-calling-for-end-to-eu-veto-rights-is-a-major-threat-to-european-nation-states/

     

  102. songbird says:
    @A123

    Thanks. Of those properties, I have only seen the ’95 “Ghost in the Shell” movie, though Starblazers has been mentioned here before.

  103. @AP

    You aren’t wrong about the social dysfunction among sovok proles, though it seems to have bottomed out. We’ll see what happens with white American proles, about whom I’m less optimistic.

    You are too intelligent and know too much history to believe in 100 000 dead in Mariupol. This would be a Hiroshima level of destruction. Clearly retarded. But yes, war is always nasty, and unfortunately unavoidable in this case. Even Galicians would have been better off as a constituent republic of the RF than losing everything.

    My wife’s family in Sumskaya oblast is doing well. They are displeased about the invasion, but not willing to actively get involved (in particular, her cousin’s son are trying to avoid mobilization, and one of them just wants to leave Ukraine permanently once there is a chance). Other friends in Melitopol are happy to have been liberated from the fascists, but nervous about the constant incoming fire.

    • Replies: @AP
  104. songbird says:
    @Wokechoke

    I think much of our decline is explained by Hollywood having been somewhat politically correct since its inception.

    One can find amusing exceptions, but they are mostly small comedy bits. The idea of a civilizational center or root, or of competing groups or civilizations was studiously avoided, for the most part. To find that, you mostly have to go to badly written pulps.

    I think any proper culture needs a sense of self and nonself, and to actively fight political correctness. Somewhat along that line, I’d like to see them remake the movie “Emperor Jones” (1933) which had a Pullman car attendant become the dictator of a micronation in the Caribbean. This time make it an African country. Ideally, with some scenes of Bantus harassing Pygmies. Perhaps, a period film set at the end of colonialism.

  105. @AP

    There is going to be a broad schism, now that the Ecumenical Patriarchate is more and more pozzed. Archbishop Elpidophoros is an especially bad apple, even going behind a local Greek bishop’s back to baptize the surrogate child of two homosexuals. Sometimes I think he wants to be kicked out of the Orthodox Church so that he can become Pope.

    I’ve read some memoirs of monks and priests who were involved in underground activities in the late Soviet Union. Patriarch Kirill at the time is what one might have called “systemic opposition”, as opposed to the underground, but he was privy to the underground activities and has never been credibly accused of betraying confidence, so far as I know. But feel free to link to the usual Guardian articles based on Polish intelligence reports. Yeah, and maybe he sold cigarettes.

    You’d do well to stop fighting the sovok scarecrow and begin worrying about saving the children from being spayed and neutered.

    • Replies: @AP
  106. @Wokechoke

    is throwing away good men

    Your analysis sounds reasonable, with one correction: Ukies are throwing away stupid men. Their puppeteers don’t care, though: in their eyes aborigines are worthless trash, anyway.

  107. Remember those “Nigerian” emails a few years ago promising you a fraction of stolen millions and demanding your bank account info? Emails of this kind keep popping up, although they are no longer “Nigerian” and most often they tell you that you inherited millions from unknown distant relatives or won a lottery you never bought. They want the same bank account info with exactly the same purpose: to fleece idiots who provide it.

    Today I got this kind of email from “@kuiv.npu.gov.ua”. Apparently, enterprising Ukrainians are adding this scam to their repertoire of criminal activities, which until now included theft, illegal weapons trade (selling to the highest bidder weapons stolen from remaining Soviet stocks and lately from the stocks supplied by hapless Western countries), prostitution, and drug trade. Ukraine is moving up in the world. Resident Ukies, rejoice!

  108. @Mr. Hack

    Kherson counterattack is suicide mission for Ukraine

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Mr. Hack
  109. @Mike_from_Russia

    Kherson counterattack is suicide mission for Ukraine

    There is nothing wrong with a monster committing suicide. The only serious problem is what to do with the poisonous corpse. I hoped that Putin and Co have some reasonable plans. After his message to the relatives of dead Gorby (may he rot in Hell) I am not so sure.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  110. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    You are too intelligent and know too much history to believe in 100 000 dead in Mariupol. This would be a Hiroshima level of destruction. Clearly retarded

    That seems like a lot but low 10,000s is realistic given the scale of destruction in a city of that size. Grozny which was a smaller city had an estimated 25,000 civilians killed.

    But yes, war is always nasty, and unfortunately unavoidable in this case

    This war was completely avoidable. Putin could have chosen not to invade Ukraine, either by doing nothing or by declaring the Donbas republics to be part of Russia like Crimea is, which would have ended things there.

    Even Galicians would have been better off as a constituent republic of the RF than losing everything.

    How so?

    Anyways, glad that your family is safe, may they stay safe.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
  111. Beckow says:
    @Wokechoke

    Ukies have to get a win in before winter and they can only do this around Kherson.

    The area around Kharkov would be easier: huge city to hide in and a source of manpower. But symbolically Kherson is better. Good, they finally got going, one way or another this will accelerate the war. Russians have superiority in everything except in willingness to take casualties. Ukies are at this point world champions in wasting soldiers and that is a powerful weapon. Maybe for many Ukie soldiers storming open fields is preferable to the daily hell of being bombed. They probably don’t have much of a say in it. For Kiev this is risky: a failed offensive would be devastating, they only have so many times they can try.

    Sean:
    The American strategy is to keep Russia thinking it can win at the current level of intensity while actually draining it of strength.

    That’s true, but it is not a good strategy. Escalations happen unexpectedly and attrition warfare is only useful after a long time – years. Attrition is usually useless when fighting Russia. The wonder weapon was supposed to be the financial hit on Russia – that has so far completely failed and backfired (Gazprom is distributing \$10 billions is a special dividend, more than half to the government. They have more ‘money’ than ever before.)

    As things get worse for the West there are attempts to return to the financial warfare – media saying that a little harder and longer could do the trick. They miss the point: virtual money is not ‘real finance’ once the trust is gone. The Western misfired financial attack on Russia was a turning point – the ‘reserve currency’ fictions are not coming back. West now has domestic currency as was the case in the past. Once that reality fully hits the economies, the subsidized Western living standards will go down. What then?

  112. Unintended Consequence says:

    That was a lot of abuse for one post. By calling tiny little Israel Babylon and US her whore, you’d seem to absolve us of blame: our being subordinate. I dunno. I sense paradox here and maybe current drug usage as part of your thinking.

    You caught me being a bit confused.

    And the reason for that is because I stopped to even smoke cannabis, let alone use drugs about two years ago. As well as because I drink very rarely and when I do, I do not get drunk.

    If I was using drugs now I would not be spending my time sitting here and writing these commentaries. I would rather be trying to write a poem, or produce a piece of music. But I am here.

    So let us get it right – it is important.

    Be aware that tiny little Zionist entity has a giant, oversize penis – and that penis is right there, up in your American arse.

    Right now.

    The reason for it is that both the entity and your fat arse happen to be in possession of an ancient clan of magicians, that used to be based in Mesopotamia. Hence the name.

    And it must be noted that it should be spelled as Babalon – corresponding to genuine Hebrew pronunciation, otherwise the meaning of it is lost. And the meaning is – gate of the gods.

    The English verb to babble is derived from that name. A recitation of magical formulas used to be called a babbling.

    The Book of Deuteronomy, the Book of Ezra, the Book of Nehemiah and the Book of Joshua were written in Mesopotamia. These writings reformatted the religion of Moses, and led to creation of a new one.

    The Talmud – a poisonous book – was written in Mesopotamia.

    And that group of magicians is now based in Palestine. Therefore, the state these people are controlling is Babalon. And regular people do not matter here – these are cattle used to keep it powered up.

    Babalon has a whore, the United States of America, the Mother of Prostitutes and Abominations of the Earth. The establishment of America are the Whore of Babalon. And regular people do not matter.

    These regular people are cattle, used to keep that organism powered up.

    However it does not mean that these people are innocent. Each of them is a cell of that organism, and even if he is not aware of that he is responsible for his contribution to the power of it.

    Under the spell of Babalon that organism made of cattle has been turned into a beast. The beast is what gives power to the Whore – without it she would be a common slut.

    But she is not a common slut for she is sitting on the Beast. And it is the Beast of Revelation, known as the Seven-headed Beast, i.e. the G7.

    It is in the book!

    “The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And the woman reigns over the kings of the earth.” – is it not what is going on?

    So let me sum it up.

    Babalon has his oversize organ up in the American arse, because America is his whore. The empire of America – the G7, is the Beast with seven heads from the book. You are a cell of that organism.

    You are therefore a part of the Beast.

    And the Whore is reigning over the kings of the earth, spreading decadence and porn. She uses the Beast to oppress the rest of mankind. Babalon empowers the Whore, the Whore serves.

    You bear and hold up the Whore.

    • Replies: @Unintended Consequence
    , @S
  113. @AP

    That seems like a lot but low 10,000s is realistic given the scale of destruction in a city of that size. Grozny which was a smaller city had an estimated 25,000 civilians killed.

    I don’t know what is the best estimate, but Grozny was much more badly destroyed and over a much longer period of time. But indeed, the taking of Mariupol was quite destructive. Would have been easy to do in 2014.

    This war was completely avoidable. Putin could have chosen not to invade Ukraine, either by doing nothing or by declaring the Donbas republics to be part of Russia like Crimea is, which would have ended things there.

    The war is not about Donbas, or even just Ukraine, but about GAE. All of Russia’s demands before the invasion were addressed to GAE, not Ukraine, and almost all of them concerned GAE matters, not Ukraine per se. In the same way that if there had been no Lenin, there would have been no Hitler, so if Europe were not GAE, there would be no Putler.

    In an ideal post-Soviet world, Ukraine would have been divided up in a more reasonable and stable way, or would have become a neutral state. But once it became clear that it would never be a neutral state, it was only a matter of time before Russia invaded. Military, it would have been much easier to do in 2014, but would have been harder in terms of broader geopolitical strategy (China would have been less willing to backup Russia economically, Middle East situation was much less in Russia’s favor).It ain’t pretty, but that’s just how the world works, everywhere and always.

    How so?

    Minorities in the RF have a pretty good deal, RF is richer and less corrupt than Ukraine, and is on a healthier cultural trajectory.

    Perhaps a neutral Ukraine, or a separate Galician state, would have eventually been superior, but now it is being completely dismantled.

    Anyways, glad that your family is safe, may they stay safe.

    How are your relatives in Lemberg?

    • Replies: @AP
  114. @Here Be Dragon

    So glad to hear you are clean and sober now, Dragon.

    BTW, the word “babble” derives from the story of the Tower of Babel.

    As an American, I have trouble believing Washington is the city referred to as the “whore of Babylon”; stupidity reigns there more than cunning. Other options might be New York, they’re a bit more clever there or London of the UK/US conglomerate.

    Also, about the size of the shemmish male member – roflmao. Perhaps Dragon is a screen name for not-so-Woody Allen? (Giggle. Snort. Guffaw. Oops, spewed water through my nose laughing. Laughed so hard I cried. Omg, I’m dying of laughter. Still laughing… )

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  115. @AnonfromTN

    I don’t claim deep knowledge of uK military vehicles but that is not a deisgn I have seen on British roads (There is a miltary range not far from me).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  116. @Wokechoke

    Better things to do.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  117. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    dead Gorby (may he rot in Hell)

    I know that most Russians have a big dislike of Gorbachev, even though electoral results show that a majority doesn’t want to return to Communism. So, if you don’t mind a bit of a naive question, what exactly did Gorby do so wrong? What should have been done instead if the former USSR was to transition to a more democratic and market-oriented system?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonfromTN
    , @Philip Owen
  118. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    The war is not about Donbas, or even just Ukraine, but about GAE. All of Russia’s demands before the invasion were addressed to GAE, not Ukraine, and almost all of them concerned GAE matters, not Ukraine per se.

    So Russia is treating this as an opening salvo in a war against the entire West? This will not end well for Russia.

    The West will sooner regenerate than Russia will conquer it.

    Minorities in the RF have a pretty good deal, RF is richer and less corrupt than Ukraine, and is on a healthier cultural trajectory.

    All except Ukrainians (at least, the ones who do not choose to LARP as Russians). Great Russians/Muscovites are driven to destroy “competing” Slavic cultures. They would not be treated as a minority but as traitors.

    Perhaps a neutral Ukraine, or a separate Galician state, would have eventually been superior, but now it is being completely dismantled

    Is that what they say in Russia? Much of Ukraine is okay, it looks like we are close to a stalemate, unless Ukraine manages to break through in Kherson, that is too early to tell. Ukraine’s position improves with time, as it keeps getting more and better weapons and keeps training it a troops, while Russia degrades. Winter will be even worse for Russia, as Ukraine has a lot of equipment now that can easily detect warm bodies on cold ground.

    How are your relatives in Lemberg?

    [MORE]

    The women and children are in Poland; my cousin and her family were on a ski holiday in the Alps when the war started – family were dropped off in Poland, husband crossed the border to enlist in territorial defense. He hasn’t seen combat though. Haven’t been in touch for about a month, they were thinking of returning when the new school year starts. But they visit Lviv, it is fairly safe.

    Family in Kiev and surroundings are fine. I have a few cousins and their relatives in Bucha – they barely escaped the massacres. They were there the first night when the Russians took over, hiding in the basement during the explosions, but the Ukrainians took it back. That was the window to escape (the Russians returned again and then held it for a couple of weeks). They have remonted their place. They heard about the horrors from neighbors who hadn’t made it out. Several moved to Germany but returned to Ukraine.

    Through facebook, distant relatives from a city east of Dnipro River found me and contacted me a few years ago. Fourth cousins, descendants of Galician Russophiles who moved there a couple of generations ago. They belong to the Moscow Church, very religious, very pro-Russian, even after Maidan. I saw one of them when I visited Kiev in 2017, she gave me a copy of detailed memoirs written in the Iazichiye (mixture of Russian and Galician dialect – it’s interesting, for example they write “tets” rather than “otets” for father) and we had a long polite version of some of the discussions we have here.

    After their city was bombed by Russia they have now started to refer to Russian attackers as “inhuman” (“neliude”), praising Ukraine’s defenders, etc. If even those people have turned against Russia it is clear that Ukraine is lost for Russia. It may be different for your relatives in Melitopol because the Russians took it quickly without killing anyone, but in a lot of eastern places where the Russians have murdered people there is very strong anti-Russian sentiment.

  119. AP says:
    @Mikel

    Many wish that it would not have transitioned to a more democratic country but would have reformed in the way that China did.

  120. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    Archbishop Elpidophoros is an especially bad apple, even going behind a local Greek bishop’s back to baptize the surrogate child of two homosexuals

    Why should the child be punished for the parents’ sins?

    I’ve read some memoirs of monks and priests who were involved in underground activities in the late Soviet Union. Patriarch Kirill at the time is what one might have called “systemic opposition”, as opposed to the underground, but he was privy to the underground activities and has never been credibly accused of betraying confidence, so far as I know.

    Were the sources approved by the Church? I wouldn’t imagine anything being written otherwise in that case.

    But feel free to link to the usual Guardian articles based on Polish intelligence reports.

    Would they be wrong? Poland released its Soviet intelligence files, Russia not so much. It’s not even surprising or controversial. ROC hierarchy was all mixed up with the KGB, particularly someone like Gundyayev who was working abroad. These hierarchs were loyal servants of an anti-Christian atheist state. Literal Judases. It’s not surprising at all that he blesses a war whose victims are almost all Orthodox Christians.

    You’d do well to stop fighting the sovok scarecrow and begin worrying about saving the children from being spayed and neutered.

    They are spaying and neutering the ones who are mentally ill and/or homosexual. Modern-day eugenics. A disgusting process, but it seems to be close to cresting. America periodically engages in crazy Puiritanical outbursts, this one will pass.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @The Big Red Scary
  121. Wokechoke says:

    The main thing will be the Russian ability to call up experienced technicians and mechanics to keep the motors going. If the Russians blast the Ukraine’s mechanical depots and go after the Grease Monkeys I think this one is over. There’s only so many guys that can keep these machines running.

  122. @Mikel

    what exactly did Gorby do so wrong?

    Frankly, I am not a fan of “socialism” that was in the USSR (over-regulated and mismanaged state capitalism, in reality). But the list of what Gorby did wrong is long (traitorous alcoholic Yeltsin shares the blame for many of these things). Just a few points:

    1. The transition to less regulated market should have been gradual. The way it was done yielded massive looting of state property by the most shameless thieves and widespread banditry (thieves fighting other thieves). In fact, the party scum who engineered that crash looted a lot. Millions of people suffered. Many lost jobs. Most of those who didn’t did not get salaries. Some people went hungry, particularly older people who honestly worked all their lives.. The drop in population in the 1990s can only be compared to WWII. Even though Russians rebelled in 1993, the rebellion was put down with massive bloodshed and repressions (that is the crime of “democratic” Yeltsin). The catastrophe lasted all the way to early 2000s.

    2. Ordinary people should have received fair share of state property they actually created. That would have helped them live through the transition. The way it was done virtually all state property was stolen by the worst scum who deserved it least.

    3. The reduction of the military should have been slow and measured. Precipitous reduction forced many military professionals to become bandits hired by mega-thieves.

    4. The withdrawal from Eastern Europe should have also been gradual and conditional, with clear written agreements guaranteeing neutrality of those states and a few remaining military bases to make sure (he should have known that you trust a snake before Western politicians).

    5. The dismantling of the Soviet Union should have been slow and measured. Say, the division of puny Czechoslovakia was preceded by years of negotiations. It also should not have included majority-Russian areas.

    There are many more, but what’s the point? History does not have a conjunctive mood. It’s irreversible, like life.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    , @Blinky Bill
  123. Wokechoke says:

    Another little campaign to look at is the Soviet advance into East Prussia.

    There’s a complex coastal enclave with bays, salt marshes, a couple of hard to bridge rivers etc. Led to a mass exodus of Germans from the area. Permanent apparent end of Prussia.

    Reinhardt v Bagramyan, Chernyakhosky, Rokossovsky.

  124. S says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    And that group of magicians is now based in Palestine. Therefore, the state these people are controlling is Babalon. And regular people do not matter here – these are cattle used to keep it powered up.

    Babalon has a whore, the United States of America, the Mother of Prostitutes and Abominations of the Earth. The establishment of America are the Whore of Babalon.

    When you talk about a ‘group of magicians’ are you by chance referring to the below? The bottom two pics are of the Israeli Supreme Court building.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  125. Mikel says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Thanks for those explanations. They sound reasonable. But as you say, most of that was done by Gorbachev’s successor and transitioning from Communism to democracy was an experiment that had never been done before. Perhaps Gorbachev was not such a bad person and did the best he could while he was in charge. The coup against him shows that he must have had delicate balances to maintain.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Dmitry
  126. @AP

    As expected AP went through 20 graphic charts like a hot knife through butter and replied with the same idiotic theories and the same Ukrainian map.

    Such behavior is characteristic of paranoid schizophrenia.

    No matter how clear the evidence of his pathological ideas being wrong can be, he will continue coming up with more evidence of them being right – no matter how moronic.

    You are suffering from a serious mental illness, dear AP.

    Your commentaries emanate madness. But keep them coming and do not stop, let the rest of us feel it. Soon enough the folk will understand who we are dealing with.

    It is palpable to me and will be to them.

    But people should bear in mind that schizophrenia is contagious. Do not get into an argument with this man! It is dangerous.

    Though it might be interesting as well – to catch a glimpse of madness reading a writing of a madman. So for the benefit of third parties, let me make the cuckoo sing.

    Most concentration camp guards were Soviet Ukrainians, not western ones.

    Denial, sweetheart.

    Blame it on someone else – a common pattern. You are a descendant of those people. You know it. You are of the same blood. You are feeling the guilt and it triggers the reaction of denial.

    You don’t know either the number of those concentration camp guards or their place of birth. Your statement is a product of pathological thinking. A sane person does not make a claim without knowing for a fact he is right.

    You are not a sane person – that’s the problem.

    You are making a statement knowing that it is wrong. There is a lot of hard evidence proving that it is wrong. We know it for a fact.

    You nonetheless blame it on others – negating it. You are telling a lie. It must be a bad feeling when a person realizes he is a descendant of those atrocious savages.

    Your people did it – that’s a fact. Your people are progenies of those murderers. Murderers of children. You are of the same blood with them, and because of that are negating their fault.

    [MORE]

    But there is a lot of hard evidence. Your people were taking pictures, for memories. Sweet memories of freedom. Look at their disgusting faces – there is happiness.

    Once the regular Russian people forgot their language and took a new name from a Polish province, where the Poles bred them as cattle for labor in the fields. Those people perpetrated it.

    Your people. You speak the same language. You are of the same blood.

    Your people volunteered to serve in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician). Your ancestors – 80,000 of them.

    Your blood. Your surrogate culture. Your language – a manufactured language, created for slaves. You are a direct descendant of these people. You and them are from the same tribe.

    You will burn in Hell, for supporting these people.

    You are supporting them, and therefore share the guilt. You share the guilt for the crimes these non-humans perpetrated, and will burn in Hell for it.

    You call it a political crime – murdering children and women?

    Otherwise civilized peoples such as Germans, Japanese, Croats, western Ukrainians did horrible things during warfare.

    If otherwise civilized people turn into ferocious savages when the law does not restrain them then these people are not civilized. These people are barbarians, pretending to be civilized – out of fear of going to be punished.

    You are a person incapable of even understanding the notion of being civilized, and let alone incapable of in fact being civilized. Your emotional and mental degeneration is so deep and so wicked that it makes a reasonable conversation impossible.

    You are unreasonable.

    Therefore the rest of that imbecile argumentation that we had to read after having proved it was wrong and stupid will be left unanswered. You preferred not to engage in an honest discussion. You asked for it but responded a more portion of schizophrenic crap.

    Find a new interlocutor.

    • Replies: @AP
  127. @Mikel

    Perhaps Gorbachev was not such a bad person and did the best he could while he was in charge.

    Considering that he did not do a single thing right (from the point of you of people who lived in the USSR, with the exception of the worst scum), he was a fool, a scoundrel, or both. It is certainly a fault of the Soviet systems that fools and scum got to power. Its death was as unavoidable as the death of tsarist empire before it.

    Democracy is a nice word, but the reality is complex, and the people are nor very smart. The propaganda of the elites always points them in the wrong direction. Democracy does not equal elections: people can be fooled (e.g., Hitler was elected), or the election can be “won” by fraud (say, in Russia in 1996 or in the US in 2020). If you define democracy as the power mostly following the desires of the citizens, Putin and Xi are a lot more democratic than our Alzheimer-in-chief or any one of current European nonentities.

    • Agree: Gerard1234
  128. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    This war was completely avoidable. Putin could have chosen not to invade Ukraine, either by doing nothing or by declaring the Donbas republics to be part of Russia like Crimea is, which would have ended things there.

    The Kiev regime could’ve abided by the UN approved Minsk Protocol they signed and pledged military neutrality. Instead, they pledged to join NATO, while building up their armed forces – especially by the Donbass rebels.

  129. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    As expected AP went through 20 graphic charts like a hot knife through butter and replied with the same idiotic theories and the same Ukrainian map.

    As expected you were proven wrong, were unable to address the points that were made, so were reduced to making petty insults (given your propensity for projection, revealing much about yourself while doing so) and posting pictures of atrocities, exploiting victims of crimes and trying to change the subject.

    You did manage to display some of your typical ignorance, however.

    0Most concentration camp guards were Soviet Ukrainians, not western ones.”

    Denial, sweetheart.

    No, denial is your thing. Ukrainian concentration guards were Soviet POWs:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trawniki_men

    “In 1941 Himmler instructed Globocnik to start recruiting mainly Ukrainian auxiliaries among the Soviet POWs”

    The most famous one was this guy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

    “Born in Soviet Ukraine, Demjanjuk was conscripted into the Red Army in 1940. He fought in World War II and was taken prisoner by the Germans in spring 1942. He was recruited by the Germans and trained at Trawniki concentration camp”

    Ukrainian concentration camp guards were Soviet POWs.

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Sobibor

    Sobibor concentration camp:

    “They were assisted by 90–120 Ukrainians, former prisoners of war trained by the Germans for their new assignments”

    Your statement is a product of pathological thinking

    No, it is simply a factual statement.

    A sane person does not make a claim without knowing for a fact he is right.

    And here we have your confession.

    It must be a bad feeling when a person realizes he is a descendant of those atrocious savages.

    You can tell us what that feeling is like. After all, you have admitted that your great-grandfather was a Soviet policeman tasked with arresting farmers during the end of the Red Terror. He worked under the NKVD. You admitted it.

    How many people you figure were sent to their deaths as a result of his “work?”

    Your desperate posting of victims of Ukrainian Banderists will not wash away the blood from your ancestor’s hands.

    My ancestors, unlike yours, had no blood in their hands. They did not serve as police under Soviets or Nazis.

    Your people volunteered to serve in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician

    This was a combat unit, which did not work in a concentration camp as did the Soviet POWs. It’s hands were not completely clean – subunit of the 14th did commit a My Lai style massacre of Polish villagers while engaged in anti partisan warfare, but overall the Division probably had a cleaner record than the Red Army which engaged in mass rape and murder of German and other civilians.

    You call it a political crime – murdering children and women?

    In the case of the events occurring around World War II the murders were political. This does not, of course, excuse them.

    If otherwise civilized people turn into ferocious savages when the law does not restrain them

    The Ukrainians who murdered Jews in Lviv in 1941 did so right after the Germans opened up the NKVD prisons where the Soviets had brutally tortured and murdered thousands of people; people saw their loved ones with their stomaches ripped open or otherwise murdered, and in a mad frenzy assaulted the local Jews.

    You are comparing this series of tragic events to your own Soviet people murdering and robbing their neighbors in the 1990s because they wish they had a BMW.

    An otherwise civilized person can indeed act out savagely if his loved ones have been brutally murdered.

    But a civilized person will not kill his neighbor for \$200, hire someone to kill his business partner, etc. A Soviet would do that though – as so many did when they were unshackled in the 90s. You demonstrated in your post that you understood that mentality. You even praised those murderers as being brave and strong. Why not? You and them are all Sovoks, after all.

    You are a person incapable of even understanding the notion of being civilized, and let alone incapable of in fact being civilized

    I suppose this sort of projection by you is not as bad as when you shared your sexual interests in previous posts.

    Therefore the rest of that imbecile argumentation that we had to read after having proved it was wrong and stupid will be left unanswered

    No, you leave it unanswered because you are wrong as usual, and have no answers. So you deflect onto issues involving World War II, where you are also wrong of course.

    You asked for it but responded a more portion of schizophrenic crap.

    You are starting to get incoherent. More drugs?

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  130. S says:

    The below is a link and a synopsis to a 2014 book called Imperial Apocalypse which describes a disaster. In a four year period (1917 – 1921) Russia experienced world war and humiliating defeat, Communist revolution, civil war, famine, and a global pandemic, all almost simultaneously.

    Not that I wish it any way, but I think it is very possible the United States may experience almost exactly the same thing Russia did. It makes sense that within this manufactured and broadly controlled (crimethink, I know) Hegelian dialectic that things would go full circle, and the same place where the Capitalist revolution had started in 1776 would conclude in Communist revolution, albeit the latter perhaps of brief duration.

    Then comes the synthesis of Capitalism and Communism forming global Multi-Culturalism, and the ushering in of the new global super-state, the United States of the World.

    Imperial Apocalypse: The Great War and the Destruction of the Russian Empire

    ‘Imperial Apocalypse describes the collapse of the Russian Empire during World War 1. Though the empire was not in serious threat of dissolution in 1914, by 1918 it had been reduced to its sixteenth-century boundaries. This process of decolonization began in the Balkans and spread rapidly throughout Eastern Europe thereafter. Decolonization occurred in three overlapping phases: 1) imperial challenge, 2) state failure, 3) social disaster.’

    ‘This book traces the trajectory of all three of these phases through a narrative of the Russian war experience. It begins with an account of the early battles and the dramatic shift in modes of governance in Eastern Europe in 1914. It continues with the military defeats and social crisis of 1915, moves to the remobilization of the military effort and society in 1916, and concludes with the destruction of the empire amidst military defeat and social revolution in 1917 and 1918.’

    ‘Throughout the book attention is paid to the connection between the lived experience of soldiers and civilians near the combat fronts and the social and political structures of the empire as a whole. It combines intimate descriptions of the lives of many of the individuals caught up in the war with an analysis of military performance, state functionality, and social cohesion.’

    https://academic.oup.com/book/12205

  131. Mikhail says: • Website

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  132. @Mr. Hack

    just use damn google translate, no offense

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  133. @AP

    So Russia is treating this as an opening salvo in a war against the entire West? This will not end well for Russia.

    The West will sooner regenerate than Russia will conquer it.

    The broader aims are geostrategic not territorial. The demand is NATO out of the former Warsaw Pact, though I doubt that can be achieved. A direct conflict between NATO and Russia would quickly go nuclear. We might get there yet through an escalation spiral, but both sides would like to avoid it. More likely is dismantling of the Ukrainian state, possibly destruction of the Aegis bases in Poland and Romania, and then a Rainbow Curtain descends across the continent.

    All except Ukrainians (at least, the ones who do not choose to LARP as Russians). Great Russians/Muscovites are driven to destroy “competing” Slavic cultures. They would not be treated as a minority but as traitors.

    A self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Is that what they say in Russia? Much of Ukraine is okay, it looks like we are close to a stalemate, unless Ukraine manages to break through in Kherson, that is too early to tell. Ukraine’s position improves with time, as it keeps getting more and better weapons and keeps training it a troops, while Russia degrades. Winter will be even worse for Russia, as Ukraine has a lot of equipment now that can easily detect warm bodies on cold ground.

    I don’t know “what they say in Russia”, since most of my colleagues are liberasts, so not representative, and I don’t follow official news sources. But given the balance of available man power and industrial capacity (Russia has five times as many men and ten times the GDP), there are only two ways Russia can fail to dismantle the Ukrainian state: lack of will and direct NATO intervention. It’s true Ukraine gets more weapons, but Russia can always escalate to compensate if it chooses. There are many things that can be done short of wide-spread WW II style terror bombing. For example, missile strikes on government administration and destruction of energy and transportation infrastructure. In short, American style war. But the current level of intensity can be maintained by Russia for many years. The alternative is for NATO to intervene directly, which will quickly go nuclear.

    Prediction: Kherson won’t amount to anything, and the Ukrainian men lost will result in the weakening of defenses for Nikolaev and Odessa. Also, the fighting along the Donbass line will continue for a while yet, partly because from the Russian perspective the pace is indefinitely sustainable without pouring in too many more men and partly because it is better to fight Ukrainian reinforcements there than to fight them in the cities, like in Mariupol.

    After their city was bombed by Russia they have now started to refer to Russian attackers as “inhuman” (“neliude”), praising Ukraine’s defenders, etc. If even those people have turned against Russia it is clear that Ukraine is lost for Russia. It may be different for your relatives in Melitopol because the Russians took it quickly without killing anyone, but in a lot of eastern places where the Russians have murdered people there is very strong anti-Russian sentiment.

    Yes, there will be much bitterness, but history shows that people get used to what they have to get used to, and these resentments become less and less salient to each new generation. As I said, the war is horrible and unavoidable: Russia was too stupid to take Ukraine the smart way, and the US badly wanted a proxy war with Russia, so here we are.

  134. songbird says:

    IMO, A123 should give up the super-pozzed Star Wars universe, owned by the Satanic Mouse, and instead immerse himself in “The Legend of Galactic Heroes” universe, created by Japanese novelist and student of Chinese history Yoshiki Tanaka.

    I have not read the novels myself, but flipping through the first two or three pages of the introduction of the first, I found this:

    Von Goldenbaum’s towering form contained not a trace of fat, nor the slightest hint of vulnerability. He received his commission as an ensign at age twenty, and was attached to a guard unit patrolling the Rigel shipping lanes as its legal affairs officer. There he applied himself to the enforcement of military discipline, driving out the “four evils” of alcohol, gambling, drugs, and homosexuality

    BTW, not certain that Tanaka understood the origin of the name Goldenbaum.

    • Thanks: A123
  135. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mike_from_Russia

    Pure Russian Potemkin Village set designs, that are really hoaky. Perfect footage of Russian air strikes and the hilarious footage of Ukrainian soldiers supposedly sliding into manholes to avoid Russian air strikes? Perhaps, the Ukrainian side is helping its Russian interlopers out by providing them with this close-up footage? 🙂

  136. @Unintended Consequence

    So glad to hear you are clean and sober now, Dragon.

    Well it might be a good thing if I had been an addict or an alcoholic, but I was a moderate user. Except for a brief initial period of a deep dive – a long time ago. For the most part I had been smoking hashish once a month, but it lasted a long time as well before I quit.

    There is nothing good in being clean and sober, trust me.

    BTW, the word “babble” derives from the story of the Tower of Babel.

    That is right.

    Babel is the Hebrew name of the place.

    But the original Mesopotamian name was Babelim. It is a composite name – Ba-be-elim translates as leading to the gods. But as the Hebrew outlook was monotheistic it was shortened to Ba-be-El.

    Elim is the plural form of El.

    As an American, I have trouble believing Washington is the city referred to as the “whore of Babylon”; stupidity reigns there more than cunning.

    That is the language of archetypes. It is a metaphor for a state. Back then in the ancient times there were a dozen cities or so, and each one was a state.

    Also, about the size of the shemmish male member – roflmao. Perhaps Dragon is a screen name for not-so-Woody Allen?

    No.

    I am a real Dragon.

    A descendant of Count Dracul from the Carpathian Mountains. I belong to the House of Drăculești.

    For real!

    Here are the ancestors of mine from Țara Rumânească: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Dr%C4%83cule%C8%99ti

  137. @AP

    Family in Kiev and surroundings are fine. I have a few cousins and their relatives in Bucha – they barely escaped the massacres… They heard about the horrors from neighbors who hadn’t made it out.

    What did the neighbors themselves witness? Many nasty things happen in wars, but the way the story was covered in GAE media was suspicious, and photos and dates were often inconsistent with the story. Smelled of barrel bombs dropped on the last bakery in Aleppo.

    • Replies: @AP
  138. Matra says:

    Poland is seeking \$1.3 trillion in reparations from Germany. The Germans should offer to negotiate as long as Breslau, Posen, and Danzig are on the table.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Beckow
    , @German_reader
  139. @S

    When you talk about a ‘group of magicians’ are you by chance referring to the below? The bottom two pics are of the Israeli Supreme Court building.

    No.

    The Freemasonry at large is the Whore. The magicians are those who empower her – the mind controllers. Those who determine what people shall believe in. Some of them are Freemasons but for the most part these are magicians of the lowest rank. Those who are important operate in the shade.

    Those who are in the spotlight are either mere managers or the renegades.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @S
  140. @Here Be Dragon

    If you are writing about it you don’t know anything by definition.

    Pretty handy system if you ask me.

  141. A123 says: • Website
    @Matra

    Poland is seeking \$1.3 trillion in reparations from Germany. The Germans should offer to negotiate as long as Breslau, Posen, and Danzig are on the table.

    Domestic politicians say domestic things for domestic consumption all the time.

    This is almost a 100% parallel to the microscopic kerfuffle between Israel & Poland last year. Except, the shoe is on the other foot where Poland is claiming reparations rather than resisting them.

    Just as last year’s issue went nowhere… This year’s issue will go nowhere.
    ___

    It is only a problem for extremists who are locked into a position from last year such as @German_Reader.

    He enthusiastically promoted the idea that, “Poland is 100% Right on Reparations”. GR has to ether recant, or more likely try to ignore, his embrace of the conjunction of Poland & Reparations. One has to believe he now regrets last year’s decision to emotionally misrepresent a few domestic mole hills as a gigantic international relations mountain.

    PEACE 😇

  142. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    hierarchs were loyal servants of an anti-Christian atheist state

    Conditioning by those Fox News phrases can be stubborn.

    USSR used a very centralized system. When religion is enabled, top clergy needed high ratios of KGB agents, this is necessity of centralized government, this is highly suspicious of challenge or uncontrolled organizations. A concept of allowing an independent religious authority within the Soviet Union is comical. You can have an independent church in the Soviet Union and I can sell you some mango farms in Greenland.

    But KGB had many years operating a church, so they are also not so much intolerant “anti-Christian atheist state” as you want to claim. Religion is embarrassing for the “LARP” enlightenment identity of government of this epoch, but practical reality discovered it can be useful for them to control religion and religion has been tolerated and operated by the government in much of Soviet times, religious groups were also used as external diplomatic workers for the USSR. They could be used for diplomacy or to reduce external criticism.

    Concepts of religious freedom and toleration was open part of the Soviet ideology in the later decades.

    You could freely go to the church although the church would be controlled. A right of any Soviet citizen to believe religion is part of the Soviet constitution and was also a practical reality. For example, read article 52 in the Soviet constitution.

    In the postsoviet governments, religion has been used as a visible decoration more like in the 19th century than “scientific atheism” of the 20th century. There is also a freedom of choice of religion. But government is still quite centralized (although less centralized than Soviet times) so important religious groups will be monitored by government, in Russia, in Ukraine, in Tajikistan, in Kazakhstan
    etc.

    • Replies: @AP
  143. Beckow says:
    @Matra

    Poland received half a trillion from EU so far – basically Germany-Austria – half-way there.

    Lviv for Danzig, Galicia for Silesia, would Poles take the deal? Or, like infantile low-IQ berserkers, do they want it all?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  144. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    I didn’t ask my cousin for details, she simply told me that her neighbors said that they saw horrible things done by the Russians, and that one neighbor cried when mentioning it; this neighbor had never been seen crying before. I don’t think she asked for gory details.

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  145. @Beckow

    Or, like infantile low-IQ berserkers, do they want it all?

    I don’t want to generalize: I personally know quite a few Poles, and they are absolutely normal (caveat: they all have PhD in natural sciences). But the official position of Polish government for decades is that of a mindless 1-year old toddler: “Gimme, gimme, gimme…”

    • Replies: @Beckow
  146. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Conditioning by those Fox News phrases can be stubborn.

    I’ve never had cable and never watched FoxNews others than snippets in airports or other public places.

    USSR used a very centralized system. When religion is enabled, top clergy needed high ratios of KGB agents, this is necessity of centralized government, this is highly suspicious of challenge or uncontrolled organizations. A concept of allowing an independent religious authority within the Soviet Union is comical

    Of course, as I said anyone with an important position in the Church at this time was deeply involved with the state’s security apparatus. Could they earn that trust without informing on others?

    There were normal priests and monks also but the hierarchs were Judases.

    You can have an independent church in the Soviet Union and I can sell you some mango farms in Greenland

    The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church went underground.

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  147. Dmitry says:
    @Yahya

    Here is the index of industrial output as % of 1913 with comparison of the USA and Germany.

    Can you see when Stalin begins.

    • Replies: @AP
  148. @Here Be Dragon

    If you are of the house of Dracul, then you should be a bat not a dragon. I understand the mistake with the wings being common to both creatures. Also your obsession with things eschatological being as you yourself are eschatological. You’re more than a bit batty as well.

    Really, I don’t mean to be rude but I find that honesty in all things gets the best results; if I find you and your butinsky ways lurking in the US, I will plant a stake through your undead heart and chop off your head.

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  149. @Unintended Consequence

    He’s just some random idiot. Practically everyone in the world is a descendant of said house. Just go up through your family tree and think how many generations have been since then.

  150. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    hierarchs were Judases.

    Or just government workers in the Soviet Union. They were not betraying the church, but aligning the church with the government interests, which is allowing the church to survive in a difficult time from their view when the government was embarrassed by religion to say this mildly.

    In the postsoviet times this alignment with government is going open and the religious groups become one of the more favored organizations for the government, so the church leadership which has worked with the government in Soviet times, is successful from their organization’s interest, as the church was partly because of its working with government in later Soviet times, becoming a strong position in the 1990s. Think about how strongly the church entered the 1990s, how popular the church is for Yeltsin, then Lukashenko or Putin.

    Although in the longer term religion failed to become popular in postsoviet society and the church attendance peaked in the 1990s at a low level. However, that is a later history. In the 1990s, the church would have viewed their activity in late Soviet time as successful, when they were beginning the postsoviet epoch with a sense of renaissance of importance and popularity.

    Need of church to work with government in later Soviet times, is not much different than the church in many times and places having conflicts and alliances with kings and emperors. I’m not sure what would be a good historical comparison. In this forum, we have the luck of a historical professional (German Reader), who I’m sure can probably write examples of many other epochs when there is a similar story.

    As for betraying Jesus. Well you can read the teaching of Jesus in the New Testament and compare it to the teaching of many historical churches. I didn’t read what Patriarch Kirill says about war in Ukraine. There was often a “mismatch”, to undersay, of churches’ views with Sermon on the Mount, but this is also not very unique and there have been much greater mismatches than in the current churches of today who are relatively more peaceful and not usually asking for religious wars.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  151. Beckow says:
    @AP

    …one neighbor cried when mentioning it

    Only one? These non-eye-witness unverifiable stories work slightly better when you load them with ‘many people say‘ or ‘many people heard’…

    We call it jpp – “jedna pani povedala” – it translates as ‘one old lady said‘. Basically a lie packaged as personal testimony. It is NGOs bread and butter.

    When you start with “I heard from my cousin’s friend…” it sounds like a joke, like you don’t respect the audience. Work on it, some NGOs offer how-to seminars.

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  152. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …the official position of Polish government for decades is that of a mindless 1-year old toddler: “Gimme, gimme, gimme…”

    At what point in a ‘democracy’ are people responsible for what happens? That is the crux of the matter, the definition of a democracy is that what people choose is done: the results reflect what majority wants.

    So it seems that majority of Poles are infantile irrational whiners asking for handouts.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @AnonfromTN
  153. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    So it seems that majority of Poles are infantile irrational whiners asking for handouts

    If they were actually expecting anything, then you might be right. However, there is no indication that anyone expects anything to actually happen.

    It is a case of — Domestic politicians say domestic things for domestic consumption all the time.
    ____

    Compare that to the deranged histrionics going the other direction… Germany’s perpetual mega-whining against national sovereignty is grating to Christian Europe: (1)

    Scholz is proposing that the EU abolishes the veto in key areas before expanding it, with the focus on foreign policy and taxation, saying he seeks a “gradual transition to majority voting.” If such a scenario were to come into effect, Hungary would be forced to give up Russian oil and gas if the majority of EU member states called for an end to it, a move that would likely bankrupt its economy. On the issue of migration, migrant quotas would most likely be implemented across the EU. It would effectively mark the end to sovereignty in Europe, allowing the liberal-left to steam-roll every conservative party agenda for potentially decades to come.


    Polish commentators also mockingly pointed out that Germany could “lead the way” by already giving up its veto power.

    “There is nothing to prevent the German government from unilaterally declaring that it is giving up its veto right in order to show others the way. Perhaps some other countries will follow suit and decide to take a similar step,” said Sławomir Dębski, the director of the Polish Institute of International Affairs (PISM).

    When will Germany lead by example and give up its veto? German elites are defined by a non stop 1-year old toddler: “Gimme, gimme, gimme…” whinefest.

    If Germany does not want to be in a Christian Europe of sovereign equals, they can leave the EU/EZ at any time.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/czech-republic/germanys-scholz-calling-for-end-to-eu-veto-rights-is-a-major-threat-to-european-nation-states/

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  154. @Beckow

    So it seems that majority of Poles are infantile irrational whiners asking for handouts.

    So-called “democracy” is a ruse for the gullible. I don’t only mean election fraud. Even w/o it in 2020 US presidential elections we had a “democratic” choice between a moron with Alzheimer’s and a moron without.

    Sometimes elected idiots are useful: a moron blurts out what a smarter person would keep quiet about. Very recently German Green half-wit Baerbock said that Germany would support Ukraine no matter what the voters think. So much for “representative democracy”.

    So, I would not assume that the majority of Poles support idiotic policy of their government.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Beckow
  155. Beckow says:
    @A123

    If Germany does not want to be in a Christian Europe of sovereign equals, they can leave the EU/EZ at any time.

    There can’t be EU without Germany. Germans developed and grew until WW2 – then they hit a brick wall, it took a few generations for the consequences to become obvious. The combination of outside control and domestic collapse in self-confidence and mental acuity took some time, but by now it seems almost irreversible.

    They lost it, they lost a sense of who they are, like the hapless Poles who yearn to be someone else and live somewhere else – “Poland is Western! civilized! Rome! blabla…“. Germans abandoned who they were, they are too scarred and guilt-ridden for WW2 and voluntarily play second fiddle, live within a foreign culture, actively try to change their own demographics, and build stupid looking wind-mills as a symbol of their ‘end-of-civilization’ mentality (the German hillsides are hideous, covered with cement towers).

    • Replies: @A123
  156. @Triteleia Laxa

    I would and probably will ignore Dragon except that it has produced a certain subtext involving other parts of my life. My first inclination has been to ascertain Dragon’s identity. I’m sorry to say I haven’t learned who Dragon actually is; however, I have learned much about Dragon’s values and priorities which is pretty much the same as knowing Dragon. Suffice it to say: no more information gathering is warranted.

    Nevertheless, thanks for your concern.

  157. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    There can’t be EU without Germany.

    There could be. But, why should there be?

    The EU was the German Elite tool to crush its sovereign neighbors via financial aggression, rather than military might. The rules are rigged to favor the largest and wealthiest powers at others expense. Now that the curtain has been pulled back on the instrument of German conquest, there seems little reason to retain the mess. The best move would be ending the EU/EZ in an orderly process.

    A new, looser organization that respects national sovereignty, borders, and migration policy would allow Christian European Federation [CEF] (?) countries to band together.
        • Most likely CEF core members being the V4, Austria, and Italy.
        • Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Cyprus, and Greece would be logical prospects.
    There would be no equivalent to Schengen, thus preventing destabilizing population shifts within the CEF.

    Countries that despise Christianity would be excluded until they complete substantial internal reforms towards:
        — Reinvigorating their local Christian traditions
        — Reducing toxic, violent, anti-Christian populations
    Key countries on the no-join list would include Sweden, Belgium, France, and Germany.

    It is easy to see the outlines of what is required to revitalize MEGA “Make Europe Great Again” Christianity.

    Of course, German Elites and the Islamophile European WEF will fight it with highly emotional, dogmatic zeal. Those who follow the Rights of Mammon, view Christian Populism as lethal to their tyrannical life of privilege.

    PEACE 😇

  158. @AP

    You were proven wrong, were unable to address the points that were made, so were reduced to making insults and posting pictures of atrocities.

    Your so-called points had been the same since ten commentaries before the last one – the same Ukrainian map and the same stupid conclusions, once again reiterated. Yet these points were addressed in detail and refuted with evidence. You chose to ignore it.

    You come back at me with the same boring and moronic argumentation ten times in a row and expect me to continue coming up with more and more evidence of it being preposterous and absurd, till there is nothing more to be said?

    You will then declare that I lost and will feel satisfied. These patterns are known.

    You are a lot crazier than I thought in the beginning and that is the reason we are having a conversation. Had I been more careful and recognize it from the get go I would have never got into this argument. It does not make sense whatsoever.

    Not to me.

    You are a schizophrenic so I guess it does make some pathological sense to a sick mind. Perhaps it makes you feel better. But it is the opposite for me. And I am not interested in a discussion with a person who is not honest and not intelligent enough to respond with a reasonable argument.

    How am I supposed to handle these illogical conclusions – to explain what logic is to someone who is incapable of comprehending the notion of logic, or to turn a fool into an intellectual with telling him what he is incapable of grasping? You are a lost cause.

    But here is what I can offer. I will address some of these so-called points one last time. And I will do it as if I am not aware that you are suffering from a mental disorder. You will have another chance to get out of that ill state of mind and turn this ailing conversation to a healthier path.

    But do not respond again with that schizophrenic nonsense. I mean it. I will point out these nonsensical and stupid commentaries and show what is wrong with them. Do not write that kind of crap to me. If we are to keep communicating make an effort and be at least not so outright stupid.

    Otherwise we are done.

    [MORE]

    So here is your main argument, repeated eight times – in one comment, and supported with one map showing the crime rate in Ukraine in 2010.

    The big picture is that the places in Ukraine that experienced less Communism had fewer murders than those that had more Communism.

    How can it be the big picture? It is a small picture of 2010 and it does not show much. You take that data and create an insane speculation about a deleterious effect of Soviet rule on moral state of the people.

    You insist on considering a particular part of that data and ignoring others. For what reason we are not supposed to take other areas into account? There are two examples showing lower crime rates in other parts of Ukraine.

    Your theory was baseless from the beginning.

    The people of Rivne are far less violent than are the Sovietized people of Zhytomir.

    Not are, but were in 2010. So what?

    There could have been a different reason for that. And seeing that people were more violent in Lutsk than in two cities east of the border we can consider that speculation ungrounded. That is enough to refute it.

    But I showed another map in addition to that. You said – what?

    You managed to cherry-pick a specific year when Rivne had a higher crime rate. But Volyn’s was lower. It is lower almost everywhere west of the 1945 border.

    You keep posting the same one map. You cherry-pick. I posted a different map to show that there is no permanent correlation. If you were right there would be a consistent pattern showing the same result again and again. But there is no such a pattern.

    Here is another map.

    The homicide rate of 2017. The green sign is below the average, the red is above. The blue sign corresponds the average rate in Ukraine – 0.4.

    We can see that at least 5 areas east of the border had either equal or lower homicide rate to the areas in the west, in 2017. And those include Donbas.

    How does it fit your theories?

    Every year before or since [Volhynia] showed a different pattern. You see how clear the West is – both rural and urban – compared to even rural areas in the center and east.

    Is it so indeed? Here is another map – violent crimes in 2019.

    We can see one more time that 3 areas east of the border show either equal or lower crime rate compared to the 3 even westmost areas. Does it correspond to your ideas about morality?

    Ukraine offers a comparison. Per capita assault rate. The people in the East lived under Communism since 1920, in the West since 1945.

    Yet we can see that in 2014 at least 5 areas east of the border had either equal or lower homicide rate than the areas in the west, and 6 other areas had a lower rate than Lutsk.

    Your theory is sick imagination, it has no factual basis.

    The difference in assault rates between Rivne and Zhytomir provinces exceeds the difference in percentage of rural versus urban population.

    So what?

    No one said that it has to correlate in equal proportion.

    Lviv is 60.7% urban and has a far lower assault rate. You will come up with another excuse to support your denial of the deleterious effect of Soviet rule.

    I don’t know about the assault rate on this map but it is clear that in 2014 the Lviv area was number 7 on the list according to the amount of crimes committed. I suppose that those were more than drinking in a public place kind of crimes.

    You have a wrong idea about Lviv, there was a war between criminal groups as much violent as elsewhere. We don’t have the statistics so we can’t compare but that is common knowledge.

    Western Ukraine was very poor, poorer than other parts of Ukraine. Yet those people weren’t killing one another as more-Soviet Ukrainians were.

    Nonsense.

    Those people were the same as other people. And were killing one another, fighting for a piece of cake the same as others were. Here is an article in Ukrainian.

    У Львові триває “відстріл” бізнесменів із кримінальним минулим
    https://tyzhden.ua/Publication/2601

    Can you read Ukrainian?

    So anyway, I have addressed at least one of these points of yours. Eight times. And I think that there is nothing to discuss here. Any sane reader will see that I am right, but you can think whatever you wish. It does not matter to me.

    Though here is one more thing I want to end now.

    You have admitted that your great-grandfather was a Soviet policeman tasked with arresting farmers during the end of the Red Terror. He worked under the NKVD. You admitted it.

    Yes I did tell you about it. And I also told you that it was during the NEP and not the Red Terror, and that the acronym NKVD stands for the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs – a government department similar to the United States Department of Justice.

    There is no crime here for me to admit it. I related the story of my family to you, and in response you started twisting it and accusing my ancestors of various bloody crimes, which you keep on making up.

    But in truth it was and is as I said back then. He was a regular police officer doing a regular police work. I never met him and never saw him, not even a photograph of him but I knew my great-grandmother and I am sure she would not have married a bad person.

    How many people you figure were sent to their deaths as a result of his work? Your posting of victims of Ukrainian Banderists will not wash away the blood from your ancestor’s hands.

    A police officer does not sentence people to a punishment. He can investigate and arrest people, but not punish them. I have no idea if there were cases of that kind in his portfolio, but as far as I know the mid-20s were not the time when people might get a death sentence for an economic crime.

    My ancestors, unlike yours, had no blood in their hands. They did not serve as police under Soviets or Nazis.

    No.

    Your ancestors were the nicest people – unlike mine. One half of them were not some police officers in Siberia but the real commies in Moscow. One of them was even acquainted with the spouse of Lenin!

    No doubt, he did indeed serve the Party during the Red Terror and could not have remained uninvolved in the establishment of the Gulag system. He does have blood on his hands. A lot of it.

    You are not in a position to tell me I should be ashamed.

    And in any case my great-grandfather was on that side of which we do not inherit genes – he was the father of my paternal grandmother. He and I were not related.

    I don’t have his blood.

    Are we done with it?

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  159. S says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    The magicians are those who empower her – the mind controllers. Those who determine what people shall believe in. Some of them are Freemasons but for the most part these are magicians of the lowest rank. Those who are important operate in the shade.

    Those who are in the spotlight are either mere managers or the renegades.

    Thanks.

    Are you when speaking of ‘magicians’ then referring to the same type of people Sigmund Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays, was speaking of when he wrote of ‘an invisible government’…’who pull the wires which control the public mind.’?

    Bernays was apparently referencing people involved at the time (1928) in mass media, (ie film, radio, publishing, and advertising) and whom historically would of been chief executives of corporations with offices located on London’s Fleet St and, or, New York’s Madison Ave, the latter known as the ‘Mad Men’.

    These same mass media types (at times) may be utilizing elements of what Dr Robert J Lifton called the ‘eight criteria for thought reform’ to work their ‘magic’. Thought reform is a modern term for ‘brainwashing’, or, ‘mind control’. [See below ‘More’ for what the ‘eight criteria’ are as described in Lifton’s 1961 landmark book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism.]

    I’ll just say here, what Bernays describes in the quotes below sounds less like advertising, and more like brainwashing, or, psychological conditioning. It also sounds unethical. In a healthier society there would be laws against it.

    ‘The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.’ Propaganda (1928) – Edward Bernays

    ‘If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it. In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.’ Propaganda (1928) – Edward Bernays

    [MORE]

    In the book, Lifton outlines the “Eight Criteria for Thought Reform”:

    Milieu Control: This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

    Mystical Manipulation: The manipulation of experiences that appears spontaneous but is, in fact, planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders to demonstrate divine authority, spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets the leader and/or group apart from humanity, and that allows a reinterpretation of historical events, scripture, and other experiences. Coincidences and happenstance oddities are interpreted as omens or prophecies.

    Demand for Purity: The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

    Confession: Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members’ “sins,” “attitudes,” and “faults” are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

    Sacred Science: The group’s doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

    Loading the Language: The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members’ thought processes to conform to the group’s way of thinking.

    Doctrine over person: Members’ personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

    Dispensing of existence: The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group’s ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.

    https://www.azquotes.com/quote/598846

    https://www.azquotes.com/quote/791313

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

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  160. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail

    Some black bears can be very neat.

    PEACE 😇

  161. Mr. Hack says:

    Putler visiting the casket of recently departed Mikhail Gorbachev. Will not actually be taking part in the funeral procession. Perhaps readying himself for his own imminent demise?

  162. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    High quality hat but very new. The flat brim must be worked. Sunlight plus a little rain will darken the material. It could use a dark leather band. Crossover Russian/American flair could be added with a bronze, or even better brass, bear as the band linkage.

    He looks quite comfortable in it which is the most important thing.

    PEACE 😇

  163. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    That’s just because the USA and Germany had already been highly developed by 1913. There would be a less dramatic difference.

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  164. Yevardian says:
    @Dmitry

    This doesn’t make sense if you know the history as Lenin was less “communist believer” than Stalin and has been cautious to try to follow a mixed capitalist/socialist policy, which is more like the model for China today. You need to read carefully Lenin and Stalin’s writings, especially late writing of Stalin.

    I’ve honestly never read Stalin’s writings, and only a few of Lenin’s (my grandfather had his main works, along with Marx’s capital), many years ago, and back then I found them unreadable, but you’re right, at some point I should.

    Lenin is worried that his policy is not going to be successful in the short term and that Russia is not prepared for communism. He believes it firstly needs to develop with a mixed-capitalist stage and he wants to delay the move to communism.

    Wasn’t the NEP an explicitly emergency measure, intended to be dropped as soon as conditions of extreme destitution and unrest had faded? As far as I know, the limited private economic agency granted by the NEP was never as far-ranging or intended in the spirit of experimentation as Deng’s China.

    But Stalin’s writing always believes communism like a religious text, although in a very simplistic and not so intelligent way compared to Lenin. The crazy thing is that Stalin actually succeeded not exactly with communist utopia or kindness for workers, but with industrialization of the country and the rise to a superpower.

    In that limited sense yes, but I think arguably the more important difference was, as Lenin, Trotsky and most of the old Bolsheviks didn’t believe that the revolutionary socialist society could survive in Russia on it’s own, it had to be aggressively exported.

    Stalin’s brutality is related to his ability to believe his enemies are counter-revolutionaries as Robespierre. If he had been cynical, he would have been less brutal. In the Iranian context, Stalin would be Khomeini. In the Chinese context, would be Mao. But unlike those, he has succeeded creating a superpower.

    It seems very difficult to me to argue that Lenin was any less indifferent to human life than Stalin was. All the tools Stalin used to crush his opponents were originally created under Lenin, who certainly was never squeamish about killing anyone who got in his way. Lenin’s authority in the party was unquestioned, whilst early on, Stalin’s wasn’t, hence more murders.

    But again, the biggest difference was Lenin sincerely believed Russia only to be a tool for the purpose of continuing a worldwide revolution, whilst Stalin more cautiously downgraded the USSR’s ambitions to that of traditional Russian imperial policy, under the guise of ‘Socialism in One Country’. Perhaps the USSR’s commerical treaty of Rapallo with Weimar Germany proves otherwise, but at least after Lenin’s illness and death, I think Stalin was much more the ‘cynical realist’ than hotheads like Trotsky.

    You see differences in mentality in other areas too, like Stalin’s opposition to Lenin signing Brest-Litovsk, or in nationalities policy, ‘internationalism’ (at one point there was serious discussion of dropping cyrillic in favour of the Latin alphabet for Russian itself), social policy (abortion, nonheteronormative sexual minorities, the arts, architecture, teaching of history, etc).

    In the Iranian context, Stalin would be Khomeini. In the Chinese context, would be Mao. But unlike those, he has succeeded creating a superpower.

    I think another key difference is Stalin was much more worldly and intelligent than either of those leaders. I think it was Stalin the dual credit system which was the only thing that allowed a completely state-planned economy to function, until Gorbachev’s complete ignorance of basic economics, even warped Soviet-doctrine economics, ruined it.

    For Stalin believed and acted in many ways, nobody in the USSR was more honest to revolution than Stalin. Probably if Lenin lived more years, the country’s industrial ascension could be less violent, but also less rapid than with Stalin.

    Well the main thing, as I said in an earlier comment, I’m doubtful the USSR’s industrial ascension would have happened at all, because without the breakneck speed in which it was done, Japan, Germany, or some wider coalition would have militarily destroyed it. Either by direct conquest, or instability following a 1905-style insurrection. You only have to imagine a scenario where the Soviet army was crushed at Manchuria, or Germany attacked a less industralised USSR from the Baltics and Finland instead of from Western Poland.

    Just to be clear, I’m far from a Stalin worshipper, but I think in the diplomatic and internal situation that the USSR found itself on Lenin’s death, under different leadership, the USSR would likely have been collapsed and been partitioned, and without nukes, the process would have continued to its logical conclusion.

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    , @Dmitry
  165. @AnonfromTN

    Sometimes elected idiots are useful: a moron blurts out what a smarter person would keep quiet about. Very recently German Green half-wit Baerbock said that Germany would support Ukraine no matter what the voters think. So much for “representative democracy”.

    Oh wow! You are truly idiotic.

    “Representative democracy” is literally where you vote for the leader and the decision-makers, not for every issue.

    You vote for a “representative.”

    Little children are less ingorant than you. Alzheimer’s commentor in-chief.

    • Troll: Mikhail
  166. Wokechoke says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Representative Democracy generally means that no one on the broadest demographic level gets what they want, let alone what they need out of the government. Credentialed shysters (generally with a JD or specific national equivalent) hog every perk/benefit and shaft every one else.

    Good example of this is the British Parliament. It’s well known. However it might be the best institution that anyone has come up wit in terms of governance.

  167. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    Ignore the comparison to Germany and USA, which is from the low base as you said, and compare to the comparison with the Russian Empire in 1913.

    Yahya says this is not accurate to say “Stalin came to a country with a plough and left it with the atomic bomb” because Japan is wealthier. Philip Owens says there is already significant industry in the Russian empire, which is true for an extent.

    But this phrase is a description of Stalin which is accurate with the economic history.

    Or even from Higher School of Economics perhaps unrealistically pessimistic recalculation, with perhaps political bias, it would still be accurate to describe industrialization during Stalin.

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  168. Wokechoke says:

    How many Ukrainian soldiers KIA on day 1 of the Kherson offensive? how many WIA? How many MIA?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  169. Wokechoke says:
    @Dmitry

    Germany partly invaded to prevent the full mechanization of the USSR. Partly to steal all their oil and food.

  170. Yevardian says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Strawmanning aside, I think that unconditionally supporting a neighboring small country against a nuclear-armed power that also is among your largest trading partners, and supplies much of your electricity, would constitute an issue important enough that popular will would have to consulted.
    If you believe that ‘democracy’ at least in theory do that, anyway. But utu (sorely missed btw, at least by me) and his flavoursome comments on ‘the cunts and twats of Germany aside, I think a majority of Germans could actually go along with that.

  171. @Wokechoke

    How many Ukrainian soldiers KIA on day 1 of the Kherson offensive? how many WIA? How many MIA?

    Important thing is, the numbers of aborigines KIA, WIA, and MIA do not unduly worry the puppeteers. As to the results of this “mighty counter-offensive” (using Ukie propaganda phrase), you can judge them by the fact that Ukie government prohibited journos and bloggers to talk about it, whereas there is a veritable dirge in pro-Ukie Western media. Sapienti sat.

  172. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …half-wit Baerbock said that Germany would support Ukraine no matter what the voters think.

    The half-wit lady was worse, she said that Germany will fight a war with Russia, the views of Germans be damned. She was very enthusiastic if you see her full Prague performance. If in a democracy in 2022 in Europe, a crazy lady whose party gets 15% has the power to commit 80 million Germans to a war with a nuclear super-power it is a very strange ‘democracy’. As if the behind-the-scene masters have lost all links to reality and will go on with the hysterical ladies and their madness until fully defeated – it is starting to remind one of Germany and its allies in WW2, same bitter fanaticism, refusal to accept reality, fighting dirty, and same dream of a wonder weapon.

    Laxa’s usual earnest writing about democracy is pure childish nonsense – people like that are beyond reach.

  173. Dmitry says:
    @Yevardian

    didn’t believe that the revolutionary socialist society could survive in Russia on it’s own, it had to be aggressively exported… Lenin sincerely believed Russia only to be a tool for the purpose of continuing a worldwide revolution

    If you confuse which year of life of Lenin you write about.

    When he is in power, by 1919, Lenin says that he will have peaceful cohabitation with imperialist powers. (Мирное сосуществование). It’s Lenin’s external policy concept which is copied by later Soviet leaders.

    After he has power, Lenin wants peace with the West and to focus on internal development. How does he make this policy consistent with the dreams of world revolution that he promises everyone? Because he believes the imperialist “decaying West” will collapse from contradictions and bourgeois decadence. It’s the same view that continued until the collapse of the USSR and which is still promoted today.

    Until the decaying West collapses from bourgeois decadence, there is realpolitik in the relation with the West (where you are basically just another imperialist power) and you wait for the decaying West to collapse. And you have influence in the West by supporting the revolutionary movements. This is the Lenin way and it’s still believed until the early 1980s, or perhaps in Brezhnev time already they are losing the dream.

    NEP an explicitly emergency measure, intended to be dropped as soon as conditions of extreme destitution

    Only in his first talk, he presented like this to appease all the people who were hoping for communism.

    By autumn 1921 he is admitting that it will be the long term policy for the Soviet Union .

    He writes as an apology, like any politician that promises communism, and gives you capitalism.
    https://leninism.su/works/83-tom-44/943-novaya-ekonomicheskaya-politika-i-zadachi-politprosvetov.html

    It’s the blueprint for Deng Xiaoping because he Lenin to use the capitalist West as an ally to import technology to develop the country.

    nationalities policy, ‘internationalism’ (at one point there was serious discussion of dropping cyrillic

    Lenin’s views were not very different to Stalin, who mainly uses the same view, writing the same things in the 1950s.

    You can see the “Lenin doctrine” http://libelli.ru/works/26-3.htm

    Although back then he sounded kind of liberal, as a supporter of nationalism, even criticizing the Russian Empire for oppressing Ukraine.

    Lenin was any less indifferent to human life than Stalin

    It’s not Lenin cares more for human life than Stalin, but he compromises and reverses his policies when there is a problem, while Stalin has no reverse gear, drives over everyone.

    It’s the difference between realist policy and a more fanatical policy. But perhaps only someone like Stalin would actually follow communism, and to succeed with it.

    nonheteronormative sexual minorities, the arts, architecture, teaching of history, etc).

    Yes many aspects of the late Russian empire culture, including some liberal bourgeois culture, were able to continue in the 1920s, although the doors for the bourgeois world are rapidly closing. Stalin begins communism and also the real cultural transformation to the more totalitarian Soviet culture only after 1927.

    Although even by the 1930s, the authorities are not completely crushing the cultural life. For example, you can look at the people like Shostakovich have been given multiple opportunities. Stalin is culturally still remembering something of the Russian empire life.

    without the breakneck speed in which it was done, Japan, Germany, or some wider coalition would have militarily destroyed

    Well in 1941, as almost happen, or perhaps earlier without Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. But there would be historians which argue Stalin’s repressions damage the military leadership, others which argue his rapid industrialization is cause of victory in the war.

  174. @Beckow

    Laxa’s usual earnest writing about democracy is pure childish nonsense – people like that are beyond reach.

    I do my best to ignore morons, “true believers” in any BS, and obvious trolls. She/he/it certainly falls into the last category, possibly into the other two, as well.

  175. @Yevardian

    Lenin, Trotsky and most of the old Bolsheviks didn’t believe that the revolutionary socialist society could survive in Russia on it’s own, it had to be aggressively exported.

    That’s what Trotsky believed and preached all his life until Stalin had him murdered.

  176. Dmitry says:
    @Yevardian

    back then I found them unreadable, but you’re right, at some point I should.

    Stalin is often saying something Lenin has written, but interpreting with a lot of force. When people want to use narrow interpretation of Lenin, Stalin wants to use the maximum interpretation.

    If you look at the compromized view of Lenin where is introducing the state capitalism as an apology in 1921. https://leninism.su/works/83-tom-44/943-novaya-ekonomicheskaya-politika-i-zadachi-politprosvetov.html

    By 1929 Stalin is saying

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1929/12/27.htm

    Finally, the question of the class changes in our country and the offensive of socialism against the capitalist elements in the countryside. What does this mean? It means that we have passed from the policy of restricting the exploiting tendencies of the kulaks to the policy of eliminating the kulaks as a class.. Now things are different. Now we are able to carry on a determined offensive against the kulaks, break their resistance, eliminate them as a class and replace their output by the output of the collective farms and state farms

    The mistake of those who think that NEP is necessary only as a link between town and country must be exposed. It is not just any kind of link between town and country that we need. What we need is a link that will ensure the victory of socialism. And if we adhere to NEP it is because it serves the cause of socialism. When it ceases to serve the cause of socialism we shall get rid of it. Lenin said that NEP had been introduced in earnest and for a long time. But he never said it had been introduced for all time.

    For the context, in 1923, Lenin had said it might be two decades for sufficient literacy, education Europeanization of the workers and peasants, before there would be not-capitalist cooperatives. http://revarchiv.narod.ru/vladimilitch/lenin45/cooperation.html

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  177. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Your so-called points had been the same since ten commentaries before the last one – the same Ukrainian map and the same stupid conclusions, once again reiterated. Yet these points were addressed in detail and refuted with evidence

    No, you ignored and deflected, by discussing Venezuela, or UPA atrocities, or (amusingly) showing how another Communist country, Albania, went crazy and started mass murder during a period of economic hardship.

    Also amusingly, after a funny paranoid and delusional screed about freemasons and Babylon you make accusation of schizophrenia, rather than discuss the issue.

    Let’s try again:

    “The big picture is that the places in Ukraine that experienced less Communism had fewer murders than those that had more Communism.”

    How can it be the big picture? It is a small picture of 2010 and it does not show much.

    Before we begin, I will repeat that on these maps the less Communist Western territories that were finally incorporated into the USSR will be marked with the thick green line.

    The people of Rivne are far less violent than are the Sovietized people of Zhytomir.

    Not are, but were in 2010. So what?

    I wish I could find a map from the 1990s. The closer to the Soviet period, the better the comparison. 2010 better than 2019. But the pattern remains, even if it fades a bit.

    Here is 2010, again:

    Clearly fewer homicides in the less Soviet places.

    Now here is 2017, that you just posted:

    The homicide rate of 2017. The green sign is below the average, the red is above. The blue sign corresponds the average rate in Ukraine – 0.4.

    We can see that at least 5 areas east of the border had either equal or lower homicide rate to the areas in the west, in 2017. And those include Donbas.

    Note: on this map homicide rate per capita is not the color of the province but the color of the man holding the sign and the sign he holds.

    Do you have trouble reading? All 7 of the western (less Soviet) provinces had a rate lower than .4, the national average.

    Only 5 of the 18 more-Soviet provinces had below average homicide rates.

    The safest place in Ukraine was a western less-Soviet province.

    Clearly the more-Soviet areas have far more homicides than the less-Soviet ones, in 2017 as in 2010.

    Is it so indeed? Here is another map – violent crimes in 2019.

    And on this map we also see that the less-Soviet places overall are significantly safer than the more-Soviet places.

    We can see one more time that 3 areas east of the border show either equal or lower crime rate compared to the 3 even westmost areas. Does it correspond to your ideas about morality?

    And we see that the other 15 eastern provinces are more violent than even the most violent of the 7 western provinces.

    Yes, there is some overlap (though not much). So? You must think that the existence of some brilliant person from a group with lower average IQ “proves” that group differences in IQ don’t exist.

    I will also remind you that in both of the maps you provided, Zhytomir is more violent than both Rivne and Volyn (Lutsk) provinces. These three provinces were

    So we see consistency in 2010, 2017 and 2019.

    And don’t forget out of wedlock birth rates. This represents stable families, and care for one’s children – moral issues. Look how far morality drops when you cross the 1945 Soviet border:

    Yet we can see that in 2014

    In 2014, the western provinces overall were safer than the eastern ones:

    But there was a little more overlap in 2014, perhaps.

    Do you think something may have happened in 2014 that may have temporarily skewed everything? A revolution, perhaps?

    Your theory is sick imagination, it has no factual basis.

    It is clear from the maps above that it has a strong factual basis.

    You don’t see it because you are lost in your psychosis.

    I don’t know about the assault rate on this map but it is clear that in 2014 the Lviv area was number 7 on the list according to the amount of crimes committed.

    This wasn’t per capita but total number. Lviv province was the 5th most populated but had the 7th highest number of crimes. So it was below average.

    You are getting desperate, and don’t even realize that you post things that support what I say.

    You have a wrong idea about Lviv, there was a war between criminal groups as much violent as elsewhere

    Maybe so, but the violent crime rate there was still below average, so those wars between criminal gangs were limited and the society in general was more moral.

    Those people were the same as other people. And were killing one another, fighting for a piece of cake the same as others were. Here is an article in Ukrainian.

    У Львові триває “відстріл” бізнесменів із кримінальним минулим
    https://tyzhden.ua/Publication/2601

    The article was written in 2010.

    Загалом же, починаючи з середини 1990-х, загинули 20 львівських кримінальних «авторитетів»

    “Overall, beginning in the mid 1990s, 20 Lviv criminal “authorities” died.”

    That’s 20 killed in 15 years. In a city of around 800,000 people.

    That’s a Lviv-style gang war in the mid to late post-Soviet 90s. Not very deadly. Again, your desperate attempts just reinforce my point. Even violent Lviv gangsters were far less brutal than Soviet ones.

    Any sane reader will see that I am right

    Obviously you ae not capable of understanding what a sane reader would conclude.

    But keep trying.

    A note though: I will be on vacation for a few days, so my posts will be limited. I will wait until I return before posting a lengthy one.

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  178. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    “Representative democracy” is literally where you vote for the leader and the decision-makers, not for every issue.

    You vote for a “representative.”

    Iirc this is the way the Fuhrer was a democrat, because he was supposed to be the best representative and interpreter of the Will of the People.

    Then you see in contemporary British democracy that the Will of the People expressed through its representatives is for the people to be dissolved and a new one elected or created with different elements.

    There are two reasons why Maurras probably wasn’t just trolling when he said ‘I am not a democrat because I love the people’.

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  179. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    Need of church to work with government in later Soviet times, is not much different than the church in many times and places having conflicts and alliances with kings and emperors. I’m not sure what would be a good historical comparison.

    I am not G_R but the comparison that comes into mind is the situation between Protestants and Catholics in France under Louis XIII and XIV, after the Wars of Religion in the previous century. Maybe in Germany and in the Low countries there was something similar after the harsh conflict earlier on.

    It would also make some sense if Soviet Communism had some of the features of a rival Christian Church or sect to the Orthodox Church, which some people believe.

    As for betraying Jesus. Well you can read the teaching of Jesus in the New Testament and compare it to the teaching of many historical churches.

    This has come up a few times in past discussions between you and AP, I keep being drawn to make a similar point… The major Churches look at the New Testament and see it as referring to the Kingdom of the Lord and a guide about how to enter; the Lord says he will let you enter if you love him, but may also bring you in because he loves you. In one way the large churches became large because they thought the Lord wanted to bring lots of people into the Kingdom.

    There are minority interpretations of Christ’s teaching where it’s believed that only a minority of even Christians are going to be given access to the Kingdom, so considerations related to the salvation and entry of the many are less important.

    Then, someone who didn’t believe in the content of the Nicaean Creed would be more likely to think Jesus wasn’t the Lord, didn’t really have a Kingdom and is dead. They would see this differently.

  180. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Only one? These non-eye-witness unverifiable stories work slightly better when you load them with ‘many people say‘ or ‘many people heard’…

    My cousin was there and spoke to her neighbors, who had experienced the Russian occupation of Bucha, and she was there later. That’s a lot more direct than any information you have. I don’t know if others wept, she was struck by that one neighbor whom she knew well and who had never expressed such emotions before.

    You are a well known liar here, of course what I wrote would not be a smooth lie if lying were what I had done. It would not have met your standards.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  181. @Coconuts

    Of late I’ve tended to avoid theological discussion except on one matter: the US has no more potential as heaven-on-earth than any other country.

    • Agree: Coconuts
  182. Sean says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Gorby was half Ukrainian, leaders sympathetic to Ukraine because they had close connections to Ukraine such as Nikita Khrushchev and his protégé Leonid Brezhnev (who may have been ethnically Ukrainian) dominated the Soviet Union. The rise to to power of Yeltsin instantly led to a perception that Russia-first leadership would now be in control of the Soviet Union, and it being a democracy did not stop Ukraine from instantly bolting. Indeed democracy would predictably lead to Russians insisting their concerns were particularly attended to. Ukrainians just don’t trust Russians.

  183. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian

    What does “finish” mean? Turn all of Ukraine into a satellite state? Doesn’t the Russian public understand (or care) that such goals come across as demented megalomania and make any kind of rapprochement with European states (including people who wouldn’t be anti-Russia otherwise) impossible?

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  184. songbird says:

    Is it me or is bacon becoming much fattier?

    A lot of Europeans are disgusted by American bacon, and I can understand why: there is an art to crisping it. But lately, I’ve noticed it seems to be like 3/4 fat, like something only an Eskimo would enjoy.

    My other observation on shrinkflation is that I think it is causing a lot of stuff to fly out of the back of people’s pickup trucks, where there was enough mass for it to stay put before.

  185. German_reader says:
    @Yahya

    Thanks, that’s very interesting.

    However, Stalin’s policies were a relative improvement over Lenin’s New Economic Policy (NEP)

    I find that surprising, wouldn’t have expected that.

    Isaak Babel was sent to the Gulag in the 1930s and died there.

    It’s worse, he was executed, after having been extensively tortured by this NKVD operative:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Shvartzman
    Shvartzman also tortured the playwright Vselovov Mayerhold (also executed, for his “bourgeois” plays), who left notes about it. The book by German historian Jörg Baberowski I mentioned in the previous thread (Scorched earth) quotes some chilling excerpts from them.
    I agree that the argument Stalin’s rule was good for art is a pretty strange one.

    do you happen to have heard of a General by the name of Kurt von Hammerstein

    I’ve heard of him in relation to his anti-Nazi activities. It was unfortunate that so many of his fellow generals (apart from some exceptions like Beck and other 20 July plotters) came to regard themselves as merely military experts without any responsibility for the wider consquences of their military operations.
    Thanks for the book recommendation, sounds interesting.

  186. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian

    My cautious opinion, and I suspect one shared by Gerard, is that Lenin the other old Bolsheviks and Trotsky, came very close to permanently destroying Russia as a great power, and that Stalin succeeded in rescuing the Russian state from those millennarian fanatics, which is the proper context for the purges.

    Sure, Trotsky etc. were also terrible, I think presenting them as alternatives to Stalin is very misguided…but in the 1930s Stalin essentially carried out Trotsky’s programme, collectivization and the war against the peasants was what Trotsky and his circle had demanded back in the 1920s (with Stalin initially being opposed and allying himself with the “right-wing” Bolsheviks like Bukharin against the left, only to later destroy Bukharin and others who had been in favour of less drastic economic policies and economic relations with the West too…sorry if that might be a bit simplistic). “Based” Stalin imo is simply a myth.
    And sure, the geopolitical situation of the Soviet Union was challenging, but it was a pariah because of the ideology it had adopted which presumably wouldn’t have happened to a non-Bolshevik Russia. Stalin’s nutty behaviour, like holding show trials against foreign industrial experts (Shakhty trials etc.) can’t have helped either, to me it’s actually surprising the Soviet Union wasn’t more isolated given all that craziness.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    , @Dmitry
  187. @Beckow

    Germany looks to be approximately as independent as Ukraine at this point. In Washington they might have a war game document where Berlin gets nuked and it’s an acceptable sacrifice.

  188. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    American bacon, … lately, I’ve noticed it seems to be like 3/4 fat, like something only an Eskimo would enjoy.

    I cannot speak directly to bacon. I perceive a higher level of gristle and toughness in other cuts.

    I suspect cheaper feed the primary culprit. It may also be taking longer to reach “sale weight”.

    @Barbarosa would probably have the best insights.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: songbird
  189. German_reader says:
    @Matra

    I always wonder what exactly PiS hopes to achieve with these demands.
    Even from present-day Germany the most they could reasonably expect to get is some kind of symbolic compensation. Maybe 100 million for the reconstruction of the Saxon palais in Warsaw or some other effort to restore cultural heritage destroyed by the Germans during the occupation. But everybody who isn’t a total retard must know that demands for such huge sums, presumably to be paid in instalments until some point late in the 21st century (when on present trends Germany won’t even exist as primarily a nation of ethnic Germans descended from WW2-era Germans anymore), are a total non-starter.
    So either PiS are absolute cretins (admittedly quite possible) or they pursue some other goal with these demands. But I’m not sure what exactly the calculations could be, beyond appealing to their older voters in rural areas.
    In any case, imo it shows that claims about Polish fears that Russia is going to come for them too are nonsense. You don’t make such demands that contribute to undermining the already limited cohesion of NATO and EU if you’re genuinely afraid.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Matra
  190. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    I always wonder what exactly PiS hopes to achieve with these demands.

    they pursue some other goal with these demands. But I’m not sure what exactly the calculations could be, beyond appealing to their older voters in rural areas.

    It is just like last year.

    A handful of Israeli politicians made an ask purely for domestic media consumption. This year, a limited pool of PiS officials are making a similar ask for domestic voter consumption. This is a mirror image of the trivial kerfuffle that you completely lost your gourd over last year.

    The smart move would be for Scholz to emulate the Polish response to the Israeli ask… Bland & unfunded platitudes. Alas, the German Traffic Light coalition will probably do something breathtakingly stupid.

    PEACE 😇

  191. S says:

    Ran into this kind of interesting 1939 eight minute film promoting RCA television viewership. It shows early sets, programming, and control rooms.

    Below ‘more’ is a video of an earlier US television broadcast from July 7, 1936. It gets going at about the 8:30 mark.

    [MORE]

  192. @Wokechoke

    Here is a picture of British Husky:

    You can judge yourself

    • Replies: @A123
  193. Sean says:
    @AP

    http://larrysummers.com/2014/10/27/why-china-wont-keep-growing-fast-forever/
    So Russia is treating this as an opening salvo in a war against the entire West? This will not end well for Russia.

    True, but ’tis not a zero sum game now. In other words, that Russia has really fucked itself by invading Ukraine is not, I repeat not, necessarily good news for the US of A and Western Europe. Nato has been reinvigorated?; yes but that military alliance cannot win the war for wealth against China’s irrepressible growth.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/upshot/china-will-keep-growing-just-ask-the-soviets.html
    I asked Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs strategist who coined the term “BRIC” for the large emerging economies of Brazil, Russia, India and China, to critique the Pritchett-Summers paper.

    “In the case of China and India, the core driver of why a more positive path is likely to continue is the simple process of urbanization,” Mr. O’Neill wrote in an email. “If and when each get close to 70 percent urbanized, I’d have more sympathy with their findings, but this is a long way off.” (Just more than half of Chinese and a third of Indians live in cities. When people move from rural areas to cities, their economic output tends to rise sharply).

  194. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    Does the Kamaz have a cargo bed variant?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    Kamaz-53949 Typhoon-K Armoured Vehicle – Army Technology

     

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  195. Mr. Hack says:

    I’m kind of surprised that nobody else at this blogsite has shown any interest in the recent passing of Mikhail Gorbachev? Love him or hate him, he was a very important Russian politician that cannot be swept aside when trying to understand the current state of Russian affairs. Konstantin Samoilov, fast becoming to be my favorite Russian blogger, has recently provided this Youtube posting, a balanced and upbeat review of the man and his accomplishments. He indicates that he will soon be following up with a second installment where he reviews why so many Russians evolved into hating the man. Here’s the first installment:

    • Replies: @German_reader
  196. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Here’s Anatol Lieven on him (though you probably won’t like the criticism of Western actions after the end of the Cold War):
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/08/30/the-tragedy-of-mikhail-gorbachev/

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  197. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    “Based” Stalin imo is simply a myth.

    Last time I saw that one was in a book called by Drieu La Rochelle called ‘Fascist Socialism’ where he claims that the spirit of Nietzsche was stronger in Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky than the spirit of Marxism. He sees this as a positive. (That book is from the 30s and promotes the idea of Fascist Socialism rather than criticises it).

    • Replies: @German_reader
  198. Mr. Hack says:
    @German_reader

    Certainly, a thought provoking conclusion:

    Putin, though he received Gorbachev’s qualified approval, created a state antithetical to Gorbachev’s ideals. And in the final negation of those ideals, Russia invaded Ukraine in the name of a brutal great power nationalism, evoking in turn a fierce Ukrainian ethnic nationalism and permanently dividing the ethnicities of Gorbachev’s father and mother.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @songbird
  199. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    I can’t claim to have the sort of in-depth knowledge you have, but I vaguely remember having once skimmed (not more, unfortunately) through Francois Furet’s The passing of an illusion, and iirc he mentions Drieu La Rochelle and other Frenchmen like him who during WW2 pinned their hopes on both Hitler and Stalin.
    iirc Furet of course thought that pretty deplorable (totalitarian temptation, “Why couldn’t they recognize the US and its multiethnic liberalism as the true alternative?” etc.), but then that book was written in the 1990s when certain trends weren’t as prominent.

    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Coconuts
  200. @A123

    Does the Kamaz have a cargo bed variant?

    Not to my knowledge. Disclaimer: I am not a specialist on military hardware. Unlike politicians, I do not pretend to be what I am not.

    • Replies: @A123
  201. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Sure, an accurate description of the tragedy that’s unfolding. It’s just that Lieven thinks (probably correctly) that Western policies played a significant part in bringing about this disaster.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  202. @German_reader

    What I haven’t seen and would be most interested in are photos of young and smoking hot Mrs. G.

    Surely the CIA rat-holes got something!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  203. Mr. Hack says:
    @German_reader

    If he does, he doesn’t seem to indicate this in the piece the you’ve cited?…

    • Replies: @German_reader
  204. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Here:

    In the almost 30 years since the end of the Soviet Union, Gorbachev became an increasingly sad figure, respected but ignored in the West, reviled at home. The 1990s in Russia saw his hopes of reform collapse in an orgy of looting and cynicism. The West betrayed its promise to him not to expand NATO, and replaced his dream of a “Common European Home” with a U.S. and EU order that excluded Russia and sought to turn it into an impotent satellite.

    Of course that doesn’t really excuse Putin’s choice to go for something as extreme as trying to turn all of Ukraine into a subjugated satellite state, nor the extreme chauvinism of many Russians, but still, one has to wonder if this couldn’t have been avoided if Western policy had been more restrained.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AnonfromTN
  205. Mr. Hack says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Gorby himself wasn’t a bad looker either, judging from the photo that you’ve posted. I wouldn’t be surprised if this dapper looking “man of the people” housed his cigarettes in a gold cigarette box. Interestingly enough, Raisa too was from mixed Russian-Ukrainian ancestry.


    “Hands off!” A much better image of a Russian leader that any of the current goofy loner siting bare chested on a horse out in the woods somewhere.

    • Replies: @songbird
  206. Mr. Hack says:
    @German_reader

    At some level, l agree with both you and Lieven, both of us being more pacifist than militarist in nature. Unfortunately, in the “real world” things never really work out to favor the vanquished in any war. And the end of the Soviet Union was the end of the first protracted “cold war”. “To the victors go the spoils” and as Lieven points out, the satellite countries were chomping at the bit and looking for the right moment to disentangle themselves from Moscow and the Soviet Union. Also, as Lieven points out, it would only be a matter of time before the constituent republics would also be looking for the exit door too.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Beckow
  207. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    I just noticed that the 2nd row window on the Kamaz is the wrong shape. The Kamaz is rectangular. The Huskey is a unique trapazoid.

    Even if there is a Kamaz with the correct cargo area, it still would not match.

    So, I am willing to disqualify my own suggestion.

    PEACE 😇

  208. @German_reader

    one has to wonder if this couldn’t have been avoided if Western policy had been more restrained.

    Pure pipe dream. Tiger cannot change its stripes.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  209. Beckow says:
    @AP

    I think you lie – you think I lie, wow, how profound. Drop the constant pointless name calling, it makes you sound like a weasel and whiner.

    Your ‘cousin spoke…she was there later…‘ – all perfect examples of one old lady said…, including the weeping part. It has zero value and can’t be validated; you could be making it up, the cousin could, or the neighbor…it is unverifiable.

    On the other hand, the reality that Kiev is losing the war at very high cost is right in front of our eyes.

    • Replies: @AP
  210. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Unfortunately, in the “real world” things never really work out to favor the vanquished in any war. And the end of the Soviet Union was the end of the first protracted “cold war”. “To the victors go the spoils”

    The Soviet Union wasn’t defeated in a war, it just liquidated itself because its citizens no longer really believed in the project, with relatively little bloodshed (another point Lieven makes). If the Soviets had really wanted, they could probably have adopted a North Korea-like attitude and kept the whole thing going for decades more.
    I’m not even especially sympathetic to the idea that many Russians seem to have that they’re just meant to be a top class world power and deserve special respect and deference. But this idea that Russia “lost” the Cold War and should be treated like a defeated enemy was really pernicious (I will also note that it seems to be an idea especially appealing to Americans…maybe because Europeans know better what defeat and losing one’s empire feels like).

  211. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …Tiger cannot change its stripes.

    I think it is leopard. The question is whether the Western front-men in the 90’s and 2000’s were sincere or simply played for time – Kohl, Chirac, Schroeder, Mitterand, Clinton…They probably didn’t know themselves.

    The fatal miscalculation was the story about Russia ‘not a super-power‘. It obviously was and is a super-power by any definition: Russia cannot be defeated militarily and so – if it chooses – it can have an independent policy.

    If the neo-cons truly believed in their own triumphalist nonsense “we won!” they would have attacked in the 90’s. They didn’t because they were scared, even then they knew it was a too risky. But it would have made more sense. The renewed drive to surround and threaten Russia that quietly started in 2003-8 was a decade too late. They created Putin, he was at first a malleable transitional figure. Nato bombings from Serbia to Syria and Nato expansions inevitably created the Russia of today.

    They f..ed up. They know it and react with helpless anger and unspoken regrets – that’s why they doubled down, scream and shout, hope for miracles, ignore reality. They will declare dozens of ‘victories’, escape into schadenfreude, and then move on: nothing to see, what is “Ukraine” to them?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Wielgus
  212. @Beckow

    I think it is leopard.

    Leopard cannot change its spots, either.

    The question is whether the Western front-men in the 90’s and 2000’s were sincere

    The words “sincere” and “Western politician” cannot be used in the same sentence. “Sincere/honest Western politician” is a contradiction in terms. As an American joke puts it, “How do you know the politician is lying? – His lips are moving”. Lies were the staple of Western policies for centuries, lies and rank hypocrisy were and are the staples of Western propaganda.

    That’s why Russians despise Gorby: either he was stupid enough to think that his Western counterparts are sincere, or he was a traitorous scoundrel. Either way, he should not have gotten to the top in the USSR. The fact than fools/scum like that got to the top demonstrated a fatal flaw of the Soviet system.

    The demise of the USSR upset the balance in many ways. When it existed, Western powers behaved themselves in international affairs, there was an international law, which after 1991 the US totally destroyed. Internal policies in the West were also more restrained: the elites did not dare rob their own populations as much as they do today, and did not dare become so clearly totalitarian as they have in recent years.

    They f..ed up.

    They simply acted according to their nature – vultures cannot become vegetarians. The results will be the death of them, but all living things inevitably carry their death inside. Human history will move on. Even if a nuclear war throws it a few thousand years back, it will proceed from that point on.

    what is “Ukraine” to them?

    Just a disposable tool, like a condom. Will be thrown away and forgotten after use.

  213. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    To the victors go the spoils

    Romans used to say Vae Victis. The problem in the Cold War case was the lack of actual victory, to greedily attempt to go for the maximum spoils was very stupid.

    But let’s say it was true since many in the West sincerely believed it. Then correspondingly you would have to agree that if Russia wins this war they get “the spoils“. Russia will define the peace and the talk from Kiev or West about rights, fairness, justice, or ‘proportionality’ is of no meaning. It works both ways – if West can go triumphalist, so can Russia – that’s the problem with arrogance.

    Western leaders repeat like puppets “Russia cannot be allowed to win!” – they know they cooked up a terrible fate for Kiev, and partially for themselves. They seem scared.

    What if they do win? Vae Victis indeed…

  214. AP says:
    @Beckow

    I think you lie – you think I lie, wow, how profound

    Your lies have been shown multiple times. So when you make unverifiable claims me can reject them.

    I have honestly reported what I heard and from whom. You can choose to believe or not, I wasn’t even sharing that information in a discussion with you but with Big Red Scary.

    On the other hand, the reality that Kiev is losing the war at very high cost is right in front of our eyes

    Right in front of our eyes has been a stalemate for about 6 weeks. Kherson is unknown, we’ll have a good clue in a few days. Russia’s goals if demilitarization and “deNazification” have so far failed but Russia had grabbed some land, not even all of Donbas yet.

  215. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    When it existed, Western powers behaved themselves in international affairs, there was an international law, which after 1991 the US totally destroyed.

    There is a concept in US that they often push on others: division of powers. So even by their own ideology – I agree they only believe it when it suits them or not at all – having a single power center that was the judge, prosecutor, police, media, etc… it was an inherently dictatorial and unstable system. There was no oversight, no independent power to keep stupid things from happening.

    …vultures cannot become vegetarians

    True, but even vultures restrain themselves when confronted, when the risks are too high. The instinct to attack is always there, but the behavior can be controlled. I would argue that with the previous Western leaders – pre-2003 or so – the self-restraint was still there. Many of them were removed in 2005-2010 period using different means. The new faces are complete obedient cut-outs.

    Today G7 set the price for Russian oil. Brilliant! Russia then said that the last NS1 gas turbine is ‘broken’, no gas for Germany. We are slowly inching towards the eventual blow-out, it will inevitably happen, the only question is how bad it will be.

    But lets’s not despair. I and my buddies called a few brokers and told them to buy Apple only at \$25/share, we are putting a cap on it and don’t think we should pay more. They said they won’t sell, but we know people, we will show them, their market price nonsense doesn’t know who they are dealing with…

  216. @AnonfromTN

    That’s why Russians despise Gorby: either he was stupid enough to think that his Western counterparts are sincere, or he was a traitorous scoundrel.

    False dichotomy. : )

    He was a politician. They all are like that. Putin and Gorbachev are far more alike than different. Same for Clinton, Bush, et al.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  217. @Emil Nikola Richard

    He was a politician. They all are like that. Putin and Gorbachev are far more alike than different. Same for Clinton, Bush, et al.

    And I thought I am a pessimist. You beat me to it.

  218. Sean says:
    @German_reader

    Gorbachev was a Soviet Union man who switched the reason for being of the USSR from world wide class war to of global utility or wellbeing of all humankind. It was Yeltsin who , along the lines suggested by a Solzhenitsyn pamphlet, undercut Gorby by a deal recognizing Ukrainian independence, but that brought into being a Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic as a country to be in a commonwealth (supposedly making centralized control from the Kremlin irrelevant). As Vladimir Lukin pointed out the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic was made up by the Bolsheivics and nota historically or ethnically identifiable with the pre 1918 Russian Republic or monarchy. As Lukin saw it the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic as a sovereign state would create conditions for a slowly igniting ethnic war. Yeltsin encouraged the western part of Ukraine’s calls for the entire country to be independent. In a speech in Kiev in November 1991 Yelstsin called Gorbachev a totalitarian who was concentrating absolute power in his hands, and what was needed instead was a union of sovereign states without a central authority. It is pretty clear to me that the main attraction of those arrangement for Yeltsin was they might allow him to attain supreme power himself. Yeltsin call US President George H.W. Bush, and told him about the new agreement before Gorbachev in the Kremlin was informed of it.

  219. @Yahya

    The Russian Empire would likely be better off if there was no 1917 revolution and it continued fighting in WW 1 for another year and emerged as one of the major victors of WW 1.

    However Stalin had a relatively marginal role to play in 1917.If all history till the mid 1920s is a fate accompli then Stalin with his breakneck industrialization emerges as the saviour of Russia if not the entire Slavic world.

    As for his brutality. What are we comparing the decade after 1928 with? No other country has ever industrialized in 10 years.Let alone an international pariah in the midst of a global great depression. So there is no peer country which industrialized this fast that we can point to and say this is a less bloody way to industrialize in 10 years.

    The other approach is what would be the fate of the USSR and its people if its industrial strength was less than 30% of what it was in 1941? This was the most likely to be the case is the NEP was allowed to carry on.

    It would range from Native American style extermination as articulated in General Plan Ost to being carved up by other major powers like the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth in the 18th century.

    • Disagree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Sean
  220. Sean says:
    @Vishnugupta

    As for his brutality. What are we comparing the decade after 1928 with? No other country has ever industrialized in 10 years.

    Said just as Russia has been overtaken in per capita GDP by China.

    So there is no peer country which industrialized this fast that we can point to and say this is a less bloody way to industrialize in 10 years

    Well some of that blood was from Russian military experts. Even the final solution for Ukrainian rural overpopulation that was eating up the surplus and preventing economic take off was not very smart given that they were human resources soon to be needed in a war, and the Ukrainian were in many cases happy to see the Nazis. Nor was the secret military cooperation with Weimar Germany terribly clever; Stalin was a convinced communist who thought that German workers were advanced and would take power as Marx and Lenin suggested. They said nothing about Fascism. Indeed, the Nazi plans to eliminate unproductive people can be seen as an emulation of the Soviet mass killings.

  221. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    When I was a boy, I sometimes thought that Gorbi (not Yeltsin) was the one who had had the accident with the grenade.

    Though, truth be told, I actually prefer the more idiosyncratic appearance of Soviet leaders to the veneer-dominated one of Western leaders.

  222. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    That’s true, I also read that in the last months before he committed suicide in 1945 he was enthusiastic again about Stalin and the Red Army rejuvenating Europe. He was part of Doriot’s Parti Populaire Français sphere & Doriot had been a young leader in the PCF and the Comintern before he founded PPF, I think a lot of the members originally had Communist backgrounds.

    The Furet book looks interesting, I remember a lot of books from that period being very optimistic about liberal democracy long-term (actually must have helped shape my own expectations I think).

  223. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Incidentally, I thought there was some idea that Gorbachev was responsible for the massacre in Vilnius.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  224. @songbird

    I thought there was some idea that Gorbachev was responsible for the massacre in Vilnius.

    Gorby is guilty of many things, but not that one: simple reason is that there was no massacre in Vilnius.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Yevardian
  225. songbird says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Could it have been some propaganda story? I don’t know… I guess it’s possible. There is the question of, if he was willing to use force, why didn’t he use it to keep the Union together? Or, at least, on the surface, with only a shallow knowledge of it, it seems more plausible to doubt it than Katyn – I will give you that.
    ________
    Biden’s recent speech was a lost opportunity.

    He should have had that weirdo guy with the super-long nails casting his shadow, in the background.

    • Replies: @A123
  226. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    Biden’s recent speech was a lost opportunity.

    He should have had that weirdo guy with the super-long nails casting his shadow, in the background.

    That would have made it cheesy. The actual event was much more honest.

    The purity of unvarnished Evil delivered by Not-The-President Biden was quite breathtaking to behold: (1)

    Backed by a blood-red background and two soldiers shrouded in darkness, the president condemned half the nation as insurrectionists who pose a “clear and present danger” to the United States.

    The language was deliberate as it was divisive. “Clear and present danger” is a legal doctrine created by the Woodrow Wilson-era US Supreme Court to curtail the free speech of Americans. At the time, an antiwar activist was jailed for advocating draft resistance during World War I.

    The White House occupant’s performance makes the tragic fables of Greek hubris look like minor peccadillos. It is almost like the cadre of WEF Elites are setting him up as a human “whatever it is” sacrifice.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://instapundit.com/540395/

    The optics alone of Biden’s speech are disastrous, making Biden look like John Hurt in V for Vendetta:

     

  227. Beckow says:
    @A123

    …the tragic fables of Greek hubris look like minor peccadillos.

    They need better handlers, unless this was really an intentional f…k-up to set him up. And what’s with the red color everywhere? A gruesome freak-show, almost elderly abuse.

    This is not good, tectonic changes may be hard to fathom at present (they are clearly happening), but symbolism matters – this looks like a Wagnerian Götterdämmerung. We are at the beginning, in a Chapter titled “The Causes” in future histories of our years. If there are any.

  228. Matra says:
    @German_reader

    In any case, imo it shows that claims about Polish fears that Russia is going to come for them too are nonsense. You don’t make such demands that contribute to undermining the already limited cohesion of NATO and EU if you’re genuinely afraid.

    There’s a lot of this:

    “We must unite, support NATO & more American troops or Russia will take over all of Europe”; OTOH “look at how incompetent and pathetic those Russian orcs are, they can’t even take Kharkiv. lol”.

    Which one is it? I think the latter is closer to the truth. We have little to fear from Russia and everything to fear from the Americans and their full spectrum political, economic, military, and cultural domination of Europe.

  229. sher singh says:
    @German_reader

    Adding to what Yahya said: I’d add the 80% of white hatred among brown people is due to blacks.
    Ie the idea that we have to tolerate blacks, treat them as equals, not put chains on these animals.

    You can see in America that BLM is driving Latinos to the Right.

    In fact, as seen with Armenians – relations with blacks are one of the ways to move from brown to White.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

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  230. Yevardian says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Oh come on, and you Russians wonder why Balts and Poles are the way they are.
    The ship had sailed a long time by that point, Balts and others can’t be blamed for wanting to leave a rapidly sinking ship with a vacillating, self-absorbed captain at its helm. Hell, the fact that even Armenia seceded with full knowledge it would inherit an impending war and nightmare geopolitical situation shows how far nobody, including Russians, had any hope in saving the USSR by that time.
    Besides, events in the Lithuania were entirely out of Gorbachev’s control by that point, or rather, he preferred to delegate all the unpleasant tasks of managing the screaming economy, exploding mafia presence, or the Baku massacre to his subordinates, whilst he travelled abroad giving preening speeches and writing pompous books.
    But arresting Yeltsin for treason (or a dose of Plutonium) would have been a good start, this was in the Russian SSR itself and would have upset no-one abroad.
    Bush and his staff in fact initially found Yeltsin extremely distasteful, and tried to support Gorbachev as far as they possibly could, until his self-sabotage finally made his position unsalvegable. Gorbachev made even Yeltsin look like an alternative after spending an entire year doing virtually nothing, whilst refusing to give up any power.

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  231. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    Major churches have known the teaching of Jesus and for themselves usually follow interpretations of New Testament which are historically matching the original texts.

    For thousands of years, within the church, they create human history’s largest anti-natalist projects and mostly celibacy for themselves, they live modest life, they avoid using violence directly and they write books full of Christian teaching for among themselves. There are many examples where they follow more radical parts of the New Testament and when they compromise from what Jesus is quoted to say, it is at least like Paul’s epistles

    However, it’s when they relate to the their non-clergy, it has often not matched anything like you can read in the New Testament. There is the partly result of being a large expensive, vulnerable, politically important organizations, that do not feed themselves. Their leadership, their funding, their influence, depends for the being useful for the politicians and the wider public. They usually “outsource” the anti-Christian activities.

    I’ve worked for the last more than half of decade in a large multinational corporation, and the large organizations perhaps have as commonality, this different relation to the outside world and to within their self. Being in the corporation is a bit like our own church. We have the marketing branch, which is like 21st century capitalist version of the church’s budget which funded art in the Italian Renaissance. This way we have an attractive relation to the external world.

    We have customers, who are like the congregation of the church. We have their brand loyalty. We might have desire to demonize the competition, or even better (as the church has experienced for many centuries in Europe) to be a monopolist with your competition eliminated. In the perfect world, you could hope for politician allies and inquisitions to suppress the competitors.

    Your corporation should also have some people with political connections. I

    In terms of KGB working within the churches during the Soviet times, the analogy is not perfect. But it’s partly like having a legal compliance branch in your corporation. It can be useful to have strict people who know you are following carefully laws of the world outside.

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  232. Yevardian says:
    @sher singh

    Adding to what Yahya said: I’d add the 80% of white hatred among brown people is due to blacks.
    Ie the idea that we have to tolerate blacks, treat them as equals, not put chains on these animals.

    Probably true to some extent, though you’re not really in a position to lecture, given that, second only to Jews (actually, probably far surpassing them in influence by their numbers at this point), Indians are probably the biggest promoters for diversity/inclusion/homo/unrestricted immigration mandates out there, of any Western minority group, bar none.

    You can see in America that BLM is driving Latinos to the Right.

    Yes, well Ron Unz has only written several hundred thousand words on this topic here by this point. Given their numbers, Latinos have assimilated and integrated into American society faster than any other group in history, for better and worse.

    In fact, as seen with Armenians – relations with blacks are one of the ways to move from brown to White.

    As far as I know none of the Kardash*** family even knew their biological Armenian father, and were instead have a WASP stepdad who became a literal tranny.

    I can’t speak for America, but in Oceania, Armenians, associating with Assyrians, Maronites, Copts, Syriacs, are actually quite conservative, extremely pro-Western civilisation, and ironically anti mass-immigration, considering they spent the last century being subject to various Muslim, Turkish and Israeli massacres and machinations. And they express it openly, since the white guit card can’t be used here.

    You will notice in Europe, many of the most vocal critiques of Leftist polices come from a Middle-Eastern Christian background.

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  233. @Yevardian

    I am not saying that Soviet Union could have been saved. The system where pieces of shit like Khrushchev, Chernenko, or Gorby can get on top is fatally flawed.

    Also, Poles, and especially Balts are irrelevant. Peter the Great purchased Balts from Swedes cheap, and they are certainly not worth more. Maybe not even worth what he paid.

    What I am saying is that while the USSR existed Western elites behaved a lot more decently internally and externally, simply because there were, as Americans put it, checks and balances. In fact (contrary to the official Soviet BS), this restrained behavior prolonged the life of the Western system. When Western elites decided in 1991 that anything goes, their actions greatly accelerated the crash of the system their propaganda branded “liberal capitalism”: it became grossly illiberal, in fact totalitarian, and became capitalism only for the proles, while being full-blown communism for the elites (remember the crisis of 2008? Greedy criminally shortsighted elites created it and got out scot-free, because ordinary taxpayers bailed the fattest cats out). The USSR by serving as a brake protected the wellbeing of the West, while its demise sent lemmings to the cliff.

  234. S says:
    @A123

    [Biden] Backed by a blood-red background and two soldiers shrouded in darkness, the president condemned half the nation as insurrectionists who pose a “clear and present danger” to the United States.

    It’s quite remindful of the scene below ( from 3:00 – 3:30) where Augustus has two legionaires stand at attention behind him with their swords half unsheathed to signify to a shocked Roman Senate that a coup was now in effect.

    That shouldn’t be too surprising, in a way, as the United States since the time of it’s very founding has quite consciously (as the ‘New Rome’ and planned direct continuation of the British Empire) modeled itself upon ancient Rome.

    There are a huge number of close parallels.

    Even the very land carefully chosen to construct Washington DC upon had once been called Rome, complete with its own Tiber running through it. [See link and excerpt below.]

    The 1776 London publication date of Gibbon’s first volume of his monumental Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire could very well have been deliberately chosen to formally mark the passing of ancient Rome while simultaneously hailing the birth of a new Roman Republic and future Empire upon the face of the Earth, ie the United States of America.

    But I discovered that one part of the area where Washington came to be built was once called Rome…

    In the “Original Patentees of Land at Washington,” by Bessie Wilmarth Gahn is the record: “No. 7.Francis Pope, owner of “Rome” on the Tyber, June 5, 1663.”

    https://www.alison-morton.com/2015/06/21/rome-and-washington-dc/

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n15/mode/2up

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire#:~:text=Gibbon offers an explanation for the fall of,gradual loss of civic virtue among its citizens.

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  235. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Trotsky was going to follow the same policies in terms of collectivization as Stalin and he has only been criticizing collectivization after 1935 from the human rights view. Trotsky had some kind of liberal revisionism for this himself in the later 1930s. Although he was cultured, intellectual person, he was not necessarily much more a “follower of human rights” even than Stalin, which is not a high standard to write mildly.

    But Lenin would have delayed collectivization. You also can see in Lenin’s writing he is usually writing in aggressive way when he is trying to disguise when he has more moderate views than were popular in the party.

    It might look crazy, but Stalin was successful with his policy. Prospectively, it seems not just immoral, but also insane. But retrospectively, it is yes immoral, but not insane – it has been effective. In the end, Stalin was an incredibly successful leader from the perspective of increase in power of the country. There is the divergence between success as increase in power and moral success. He is the morally least successful leader but he was the most successful leader in the increase in the country’s power, the person most responsible for creating a superpower.

    the argument Stalin’s rule was good for art is a pretty strange one

    In the long term, Stalin is destructive for the art wave of the early 20th century in Russia, which was eventually not compatible with this level of totalitarian government and results even in death of many artists.

    But there are ways where some people can try to argue Stalin is perhaps supporting great art or even “improving” some talented artists. Art also a lot of importance in the Soviet society.

    Shostakovich almost does not survive from his 4th symphony and the Stalin’s attack against formalism. However, he modifies, then responds with 5th symphony, which is one of the more popular today. There were those artists which had the ability to continue their creativity in these conditions.

    Stalin has supported a lot of talented workers in architecture, with diverse, eclectic architecture style continuing until the 1950s. There are artists like Eisenshtein and Prokofiev who are attaining more attention and importance than perhaps would be in a less totalitarian country.

    Stalin was a relatively cultural personally, also promoting a lot things like “classical literature” that was in the Soviet Union (unfortunately, not “classical” literature in the more important sense of classical Greece and Roman, but in the sense of classics of 19th century literature) and classical music performance. Unlike most dictators who have very bad taste, Stalin was having not always bad taste.

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  236. Yevardian says:
    @Yevardian

    I might just add that I have never met a genuinely conservative or pro-Western Indian in my life. The closest were the Sinkh’s, but even they had to include the poor homosexuals in their anti-Muslim rants, and they all totally idolised Israel as well.

    I cannot think of another immigrant group so resentful or separatist towards the culture of the countries that host them, with so little reason for it. Muslims at least have some quasi-legitimate reasons, but India literally would not exist as a modern, semi-functional or united country without the British. I suppose there’s the partition, but that was really forced upon the British by very energenic native activism, from what I know. Maybe I’ll read into that eventually.
    You notice that Asians, Middle-Eastern Muslims, even Africans, generally see ‘diversity’ policy as a form of grift, but Indians stand apart in apparently truly believing in it. I suspect it comes from a genuine ideological affinity between Indian religious thought (or national character) and modern leftism, both being keen on passivity, social organisation based on complex ethnic-tiering, base sensuality, the ideal of static merging with nature, rather than transcending and overcoming it.

    But of course the first recreational druggies, hippies, and the new age movement took heavy inspiration from India. You can even go back to Schopenhauer to see the appeal of Indic philosophy to fundamentally misanthropic personalities. Or take Thulean Friend for example, whether he’s a half-caste or an Indiaphile, the point is unchanged.

  237. Wokechoke says:
    @A123

    only cool shit he’s ever done. If only he wasn’t beholden to blacks.

  238. Dmitry says:
    @Mikel

    Compare the Brezhnev time in the Soviet Union. There were economic problems and “stagnation”, there was the normal problem of living in a police state, but for most people do not care they are in a superpower, but they notice the living standard in the region has been the best before or after. I never meet anyone who lived in that time, who will not say the life for ordinary people was better then, even if they didn’t enjoy many aspects like living in a police state or with less opportunities compared to today for the top quarter of society. Most ordinary people were living better than they expected.

    Now we are in the 2020s. Superpower has disappeared, cultural, educational, scientific and industrial decline is significant, postsoviet space includes the world’s most unequal regions in terms of wealth inequality except Brazil and South Africa. Life expectancy for 2021 was below the level of the late 1960s after mismanagement of a pandemic (while the USSR has one of the best anti-pandemic systems in the world). And the two largest nationalities of the USSR are killing each other.

    The roots of all this are from before Gorbachev was an important politician. Soviet economy has been much more vulnerable than most people had believed. Economic decline is already strong in the early 1980s. And the postsoviet leaders have not been responsible guardians of the people either.

    But if your boss says the employee should be “judged by results”, whether short term or long term. By the early 1990s there were the worse conditions for ordinary people since the 1940s. There is the short term – more than a bit of chaos in the country. And what about long term? Interstate relations in the postsoviet space is like some story about Cronus eating his children.

  239. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    Unlike most dictators who have very bad taste, Stalin was having not always bad taste.

    Yes, he was undoubtedly well-read, with a genuine interest in literature, and certainly quite intelligent. A strange contrast with the cruel and primitive jokes he sometimes played on his henchmen or his signing of execution lists. Stalin is really enigmatic to me, what went on in that man’s head? You write he was a genuine Marxist, and that seems plausible to me, but that can’t explain everything either.

    There are artists like Eisenshtein

    I’ve only seen Battleship Potemkin and Alexander Nevsky, a long time ago. I vaguely remembered he also directed a movie about Ivan the Terrible, and that Stalin was displeased by it (seeing it maybe as coded criticism of himself).
    Wikipedia is pretty vague about it (and I can’t be bothered to look anywhere else now):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible_(1944_film)
    In light of recent developments this part is funny though:

    At the end of Part II during the dance scene, Fyodor wears a mask and cross-dresses as a woman, representing gender confusion and growing debauchery.

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  240. A123 says: • Website

    I should have known better … I attempted to watch the first episode of Amazon’s Rings of Power. I was talked into it by others. It will be a “fun group thing” they said.

    We know what Elrond looks like. He was played by Hugo Weaving in the Peter Jackson trilogy (left)

      

    WTF is the guy on the right?
    That’s supposed to be Elrond?
    Come on…
    You gotta be kidding me…

    And, things got worse from there.
    ___

    Rings of Power is actually worse than Not-The-President Biden’s speech. It makes “Selfie” by The Chainsmokers sound good by comparison.

    Don’t make my mistake. Avoid it.

    — What has been watched, cannot be unwatched! —

    PEACE 😇

  241. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …Stalin is really enigmatic to me, what went on in that man’s head?

    I recently read Stephen Kotkin’s ‘Stalin‘, it is very detailed about his formative years. The sh..t that happened to him in those early years was quite extreme, everything from jail, abuse, poverty, wife dying with no medical care, exile…and yet he was a reader, moved on the margins of intellectual circles, and somehow survived. The emotions that drove him were resentment and revenge – he was a builder and an ideologue only as far as it fed his revenge. He wasn’t a hedonist and – at least in his youth – wasn’t very ambitious.

    When a guy like that survives and somehow ends up on top there will be problems: he wasn’t volatile or corrupt enough to lose power and his long reign allowed him to settle scores. I don’t think he was paranoid, but he was a misanthrope with deep resentments against whole classes of people – including his fellow Georgian revolutionaries. He was a walking advertisement for term limits and checks-and-balances. He also had the ability to sit at meetings and chew process fat ad-infinitum – a female trait that is very dangerous in men – see the ‘woke’ men of today for examples of where it can lead.

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    , @Wielgus
  242. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    I recently read Stephen Kotkin’s ‘Stalin‘, it is very detailed about his formative years.

    I read the first volume (gave up on the 2nd after a few chapters, Kotkin needs an editor who forces him to cut down on the excessive detail; don’t know if I’ll try again). Yes, certainly a fair bit of oppression in Stalin’s youth, at some points I even found myself sympathizing him with him and his fellow revolutionaries (e. g. when one of his early friends, who had been a formative influence, was callously shot by a Tsarist prison guard). But iirc Kotkin’s thesis is that Stalin’s youth and even his early political career don’t explain anything, that he wasn’t always a malicious psycho, in fact even disliked the emerging personality cult of him at first because he thought it at odds with Marxism. But rather that he changed in the 1920s and 1930s because of the general atmosphere of paranoia given the troubled relations with the capitalist world, the issues with industrialization and the geopolitical situation as he perceived it. I didn’t find that entirely convincing though as an explanation, to me there’s still somewhat of an enigma.

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  243. sher singh says:
    @Yevardian

    Leader of the EDL was Sikh for awhile.

    Western civilization is Christian. We’re in a religious war, we don’t care about history.
    Leftism is to destroy White Libs – Sikhs get along fine with military/police types.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ

  244. Yevardian says:

    The EDL is almost certainly an Israeli front organisation. But then again, I don’t know if the British National Front was any better, probably all those rightoid groups were always crawling with glowies.. I know very little about post-WWII British politics other than the outlines of its key PMs. Though I will concede Sikhs are marginally better than other Indians.

    ‘wokechoke’ strikes me a cranky middle-aged or elderly English fascist, or at least sympathiser, maybe he could tell us something about the recent history of British nativism after Enoch Powell’s warnings came true.

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    , @Coconuts
  245. @Yevardian

    I suspect it comes from a genuine ideological affinity between Indian religious thought (or national character) and modern leftism, both being keen on passivity, social organisation based on complex ethnic-tiering, base sensuality, the ideal of static merging with nature, rather than transcending and overcoming it.

    LOL, now this is some quality wordcel material.

    You will notice in Europe, many of the most vocal critiques of Leftist polices come from a Middle-Eastern Christian background.

    Middle-Eastern Christians are no different from their moslem counterparts in behaviour in Sweden. Prior to the 2015 refugee wave, Södertälje had more MENA Christians than MENA moslems and the city was known for high rates of crime already.

    MENA Christians in USA/AU/NZ/CA are outliers, just as Indian or Paki immigrants are to those places. Europe gets a closer approximation of the true worth of various brown subgroups, including Armenoids.

    You can even go back to Schopenhauer to see the appeal of Indic philosophy to fundamentally misanthropic personalities. Or take Thulean Friend for example, whether he’s a half-caste or an Indiaphile, the point is unchanged.

    I’m fairly optimistic by nature and certainly in my outlook, which probably sets me apart from the gloom so common on this blog.

    Your very bitter resentment against Indians is pretty notable, and it is a recurring pattern in your comments. I recall that you did mention that you launched a failed STEM career after being bullied by your parents to do so. Apparently you weren’t smart enough to make it (not a big surprise reading comments, which mostly just function as a source of amusement for me).

    IIRC, you commented that there were “too many Indians” in those fields. I suspect you got outcompeted by smarter Indians in STEM and have been embittered ever since you flopped in that career, given your anti-Indian rants are very visceral and personal. You can try to dress up these rants as faux concern for the West but I doubt it’s fooling many. People prefer to blame external factors for their own personal failures.

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  246. Worth pointing out that oil prices have been kept artificially low through unsustainable means.

    Either the world goes through a crippling recession much worse than currently forecasted or sanctions on Russia’s oil exports will have to be amended. The latest G7 proposal to “cap Russian oil price exports” will massively flop.

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  247. @songbird

    Is it me or is bacon becoming much fattier?

    A lot of Europeans are disgusted by American bacon, and I can understand why: there is an art to crisping it. But lately, I’ve noticed it seems to be like 3/4 fat, like something only an Eskimo would enjoy.

    I generally don’t eat meat – other than a very occasional lapse into pescatariansm – but fat is unnecessarily demonised by the Weightloss Industrial-Complex, e.g., low-fat margarine much more unhealthy than fullfat butter.

    My other observation on shrinkflation is that I think it is causing a lot of stuff to fly out of the back of people’s pickup trucks, where there was enough mass for it to stay put before.

    Shrinkflation is probably a net value-add since it can contribute to thinning people’s waistlines. Obesity is a huge problem and most people don’t exercise enough during the day (car-dependency is a big part of this). So given that physical habits are harder to change, giving people less to eat is probably the easier option.

    Better yet would be a concerted propaganda campaign to encourage people taking up intermittent fasting, which has a large amount of health benefits (including greater longevity).

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  248. Mikhail says: • Website

  249. Yevardian says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I’m fairly optimistic by nature and certainly in my outlook, which probably sets me apart from the gloom so common on this blog.

    It’s not common, but people can be misanthropic and be positive in their world outlook. A blog filled with lots of Eastern European expats is understandably going to be gloomy, especially now. People talk about the West uniquely regressing in the world compared to its recent past, but the post-USSR world has been by far the worst.

    I suspect you got outcompeted by smarter Indians in STEM and have been embittered ever since you flopped in that career, given your anti-Indian rants are very visceral and personal.

    Well, I never even wanted a career in STEM honestly, it was not a matter of ‘bullying’, simply pleasing my parents, especially after what they had been through with us. Working long hours in a big city with mostly stiff and humourless colleagues interested mainly in pursuing a high consumer lifestyle wasn’t for me.
    Other than expressing itself here first at confusion with Karlin’s Indiaphilia (I did not previously realise it existed outside of leftists and hippies), my dislike really started with something that happened to someone close in my family. It was not nice, and they have never been the same.
    Also the seeing the demographic transformation in the suburb I later grew up was disconcerting, which is ironic as an immigrant, but we took real care to assimilate to country we came too, and then seeing these hordes of people begin to arrive, making zero effort to fit in at all, publicly shouting to each other in their language, crying racism to authorities when long-term locals got fed up, changing the local character, it was very eye-opening.
    I recall now an Iranian friend telling me about a similar experience he had moving to Sweden (I think it was near Malmo), he quickly decided to apply for academic work elsewhere, because he’d hard a terrible time trying to rise above such an enviroment.

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  250. sher singh says:
    @Yevardian

    As a Middle Eastern Christian you’re a tax base and left unconverted for utility.
    It’s not due to martial merit or vigor; you’re used to prostrating.

    Also the seeing the demographic transformation in the suburb I later grew up was disconcerting, which is ironic as an immigrant, but we took real care to assimilate to country we came too, and then seeing these hordes of people begin to arrive, making zero effort to fit in at all, publicly shouting to each other in their language, crying racism to authorities when long-term locals got fed up, changing the local character, it was very eye-opening.

    You took care to assimilate because you must. There’s no choice, you’re weak.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

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  251. Coconuts says:
    @Yevardian

    I remember The British National Party that replaced the National Front had some electoral success and prominence in the 2000s, they had some local councilors and a couple of MEPs. The leader at that time, Nick Griffin, was on the BBC’s Question Time show at one point, some sign of being at least on the edge of mainstream politics. Most of their support came from white working class areas where there was a lot of immigration and growth of diversity.

    They withered away in the 2010s, afaik in the last few years there have been attempts to create a sort of successor organisation by some of the younger BNP activists called Patriotic Alternative, but it’s development seems to have been more overtly suppressed and controlled than that of the BNP was. It feels like there has been a perceptible change in the official tolerance for the British Far Right (its existence and activism tended to be tolerated, apart from 1940-1945), maybe because there is an awareness that it would be able to gain broader support now. For example:

    https://unherd.com/thepost/why-british-liberals-should-thank-nigel-farage/

    The broader British D/R seems to be undergoing some expansion, and outside its usual core constituencies, going back to the 1930s when the BUF had more middle/upper class supporters?

    The BUF used to have an active women’s section run by ex-suffragettes that was sort of feminist, most of the current ‘reactionary feminist’ figures are British, maybe there will be some new things emerging there.

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  252. @S

    Unlike the fall of Rome you can pin the fall of the American empire to a point.

    When Truman decided to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki the fate was finally sealed up.

    Soon there won’t be anybody left who was a responsible adult in August 1945. In Castiglione Book of the Courtier he has a passage where he says it is a universal human foible when you get old you always jabber about how things were better in the old days. I wonder what the 18th century courtiers in Italy said after France and Britain and Spain had made them a minor power and the good old days were before any of them were even born.

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  253. @Yevardian

    I always thought Gurdjieff had it right about India. One of the students was asking about yoga and he said the British had utterly ruined them and that maybe they would never recover.

    India is same as Nigeria and Congo as far as I can see. If we could send them all back it would probably be a great idea except we can’t send them all back so there isn’t any point in discussing it.

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  254. @A123

    The Naked Capitalism comments were better.

    The people who were there said the live staging was gorgeous. It was when the frame got tunneled down to the television lens that it went berzerk. It was a massive screw up and people are going to get fired.

    Not the ones who were responsible of course. But a couple of men or women or weird-sex-beings down the command chain are going to get fired. It’s a classic Dilbert plot.

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  255. S says:
    @S

    The aforementioned HBO Rome series (2005) is a work of art and well worth the very few quid it takes to buy. I can’t recommend it enough if you’ve never seen it. It’s positively brilliant. 🙂

    Anyhow, the US corporate media is really pushing the ‘civil war’ meme of late in regards to ‘Trump and his followers’. The MSM newsfeed I checked into last night had that very term in the headline of the first article they offered up, a story about Trump.

    As a potentially related aside, I’ve mentioned before the many uncanny close parallels between ancient Rome and the self described ‘New Rome’, the United States.

    Well, here is another. It’s the strangest thing.

    You may recall the late Roman Republic had what is called a First Triumvirate, a loose political alliance consisting of three men who ruled Rome, which would ultimately devolve into a Civil War. (See pic below).


    L to R – Caeasar, Crassus, and Pompey

    The modern parallel here is that of the First Triumvirate and Trump’s recent presidential administration.

    Crassus was a billionaire and real estate speculator, as is Trump. [Crassus, the governor of Roman Syria, would ultimately perish in his war against Parthia, ie present day Iran. This would begin the unraveling of the First Triumvirate and evolve into a civil war between Pompey and Caesar.]

    The Roman general Pompey, amongst other parallels, literally has the very same surname as Trump’s critically important and powerful former Secretary of State, the US army veteran George Pompeo. (See excerpted article and link below)

    Pompeo and Pompey

    In this way, from his behavior and surname emerges the figure of a historic character, because Pompeo in Italian means nothing more and nothing less than Pompey….Both have their family origin in the same region of Italy and the Roman was with the Optimates, the conservatives of the Roman Republic.

    Last, but certainly not least. The wealthy Crassus had a political protégé, an ambitious young up and coming rising star, who was the third member of the First Triumvirate. His name was Julius Caesar.

    Does the wealthy Trump also have a protégé under his wing, as Crassus did, an ambitious young up and coming rising star? Why, yes he does. His office at the White House, to signify his rank there, was located closer than anyone else’s to Trump’s Oval Office.

    His name is Jared Kushner.

    The Second Coming

    ‘From the time he was born they told him he was perfect. And so he was. No one’s spine towered taller than Jared Kushner. He had been trained for the best by the worst. Charles Kushner, the father of Jared, is a lifelong friend of Benjamin Netanyahu and a convicted felon. The two of them would turn Jared the child into a messiah for globalism.’

    ‘Such is the life of a thoroughbred human. They’re carved from marble for a purpose. His chemistry was being tuned as early as age four. Netanyahu tells the press about the night he slept in Jared’s bedroom. His tender story is a ritual anointment before the world. Jared will win every room now with his essence. Everyone agrees he’ll be the chosen of the chosen.’

    We shall see…

    https://thediplomatinspain.com/en/2018/11/pompeo-and-pompey/

    https://www.jtrue.com/blog/the-second-coming

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  256. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    People who go through a lot of hurt are always an enigma, it is hard for us to relate to them. I had an elderly grand-uncle who fought Germans in WW2 (and shortly after), he saw and did stuff that made him unpredictable and hard to control. Commies, after they settled down, didn’t trust those who actually fought – they were obviously a challenge, not easy to control like the eager new converts seeking careers.

    It was the same in Stalin’s time – the old Bolshies had to be eliminated, they were not obedient and posed a risk. It seems to happen after all bloody revolutions, almost none of the initial French revolutionaries made it to 1800. (American Revolution wasn’t a real one, it was a simple elite rotation.)

    People around Stalin couldn’t believe their luck in taking over a large country, they feared what would happen if they lost power – they knew how defeated revolutionaries are treated. Their bloody killing are ignored – or mentioned selectively. Stalin had the image of tens of thousands callously murdered from Paris Commune to Finnish Reds (in 1920’s), nobody worried about their human rights.

    As Stalin was doing his worst in the late 30’s, Franco in Spain was doing the same to the Spanish revolutionaries. That is conveniently forgotten or dismissed as being ‘in a war’. But for revolutionaries it is all a ‘war’, they live lives thinking they are fighting a war. It is better to avoid getting into these societal cul-de-sacs, but elites have a way of f..ing up.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  257. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It was when the frame got tunneled down to the television lens that it went berzerk. It was a massive screw up and people are going to get fired.

    How does one tell a screw up from a set up?

    It is hard to bet against stupidity. However this one is so egregious it might be a deliberate sacrifice.

    CNN tried to help by color shifting the speech, part of the way through, to make it look like a happier magenta, or possibly fuchsia. (1)

    Accelerated (2x) playback:


    Video Link
     
    Of course, every other feed kept the real colors… How much do you want to bet that CNN claims a technical glitch?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-cnn-caught-color-shifting-bidens-hell-red-rant-mid-speech

  258. songbird says:
    @A123

    Wonder if the Nazis really used such lurid lighting. Always assumed that they used white light at night. That looks like something more out of a video game. Like NOD HQ in Command & Conquer.

    Remarkable to consider that we have decades of decline ahead of us, and the aesthetics and rhetoric of power may continue to deteriorate.

    Next time, I half-expect a Dutch angle, and for Biden to be painted up like the Joker.

    • Replies: @A123
  259. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Unlike the fall of Rome you can pin the fall of the American empire to a point.

    When Truman decided to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki the fate was finally sealed up.

    I think the development of the atom bombs has been playing with fire all along. It’s certainly one of those things humanity would really have been better off never having invented.

  260. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I wonder if there will come a time that people once again start saving lard in jars.

    [MORE]

    Seems like a lot of people in the developing world are still fat, even though they might be poor by First World standards. As such, I would speculate that waistlines might not decline much, though I suspect that people will eat out less, and that might have an effect.

    I agree with you that positive things can come out of inflation, like people becoming of necessity less materialistic. (Or maybe not with digital tech?). But personally, I still really, really hate inflation.

    One reason is that I feel like it is a insult to the common man. Over the years, I have seen a lot of cheap but quality products, that were in reach of everyone, simply disappear. They don’t make them anymore, at any price, let alone one incrementally greater. The packaging of everything is worse. The dollar is basically broken as a unit of commerce – you almost can’t buy anything for a buck anymore, when once you could buy a lot of different things.

    Another reason is that I think inflation is fundamentally pozzed because it makes past and future comparisons nearly impossible. It removes something of the element of competition. How big of a blunder was Bezos’ new LotR show? It is hard even to compare it to the Peter Jackson movies because of inflation.

  261. @German_reader

    How do you come to the ridiculous conclusion that Jo was a psycho? WTF is wrong with you?

    A man of extreme practicality (including taking anti-nepotism policy to the most extreme and selfless level), but not a psycho.
    If you look at all the ww2 era leaders they were all eccentric and possibly psychotic ( the Estonian POS President a literal wak-job) with few exceptions.

    Robert Duvall never plays an evil character…… he acted as Stalin. Definitive proof

    • Replies: @German_reader
  262. @S

    The women in Rome were not bad. The scene where Augustus’ sister seduces him is great. The scene where Brutus’s widow (?–I think it was her but it’s been a long time since I watched it) suicides and hex’s Augustus’ mom at the same time also was a fine scene.

    The coincidences manufactured to congeal the plot together were very too much.

    • Replies: @S
    , @Wokechoke
  263. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    Wonder if the Nazis really used such lurid lighting. Always assumed that they used white light at night

    Well, yes. However shining white light on red cloth & red flags achieves something similar.

    That looks like something more out of a video game. Like NOD HQ in Command & Conquer.

    Next time, I half-expect a Dutch angle, and for Biden to be painted up like the Joker.

    How about Baron Harkonnen from the SciFi Channel miniseries, circa 2000.

    Of the various screen adaptations, I still like it most. It has some technical issues. The huge save is that it feels like a live stage play rather than TV fighting a budget. One of the DVD extras is “The Color Wheel” featurette.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

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  264. @AnonfromTN

    There are many more, but what’s the point?

    I sincerely believe the Chinese have learnt a great deal from Russia, and have much still to learn. Enormous human suffering has been avoided by the Chinese simply through observing the fate of the Russian people over these last 30 or so years. Conversely the Anglos have learnt nothing.

    [MORE]

    Nixon March 30, 1992

  265. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The women in Rome were not bad.

    That is a fact. Especially Cleopatra, amongst some others. 🙂

    The scene where Brutus’s widow (?–I think it was her but it’s been a long time since I watched it) suicides and hex’s Augustus’ mom at the same time also was a fine scene.

    LOL! Even Marc Antony’s character was made to say in admiration ‘Gawd! What an exit!’ when he witnessed it.

    The coincidences manufactured to congeal the plot together were very too much.

    Well, nothing is perfect.

    All the same, it is film productions like this which make it plain why Rome left such a powerful and long lasting impression upon the Euro mind.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  266. German_reader says:
    @Gerard1234

    Robert Duvall never plays an evil character…… he acted as Stalin. Definitive proof

    That’s a good argument, you have convinced me.
    Anti-nepotism policy…hmm, I’ll keep that in mind for when I become dictator, thanks.

  267. @Blinky Bill

    There’s the old saying about “wisdom from the mouth of babes” which is something like what we’re hearing from Nixon in his discourse about those who decide democracy doesn’t work so utilize other means to their ends.

  268. Sean says:

    Russia, Ukraine November 18 2015
    A recently established organization named “Restitution Kresy” is threatening to lodge lawsuits against Ukraine. The organization (which declares that it represents the interests of the Polish families deported from the territory of the Western Ukraine) intends to seek reimbursement of Polish assets located at the territory of Western Ukraine or compensations for real estate left by Polish citizens. Representatives of “Restitution Kresy” announced that shortly the heirs of the former real property owners at the territory of Galicia and Volyn will file first lawsuits to the courts of Kyiv and Lutsk

  269. @Blinky Bill

    I sincerely believe the Chinese have learnt a great deal from Russia

    I am sure they did. China was led by smart people at the time, whereas Russia had Gorby and then Yeltsin. It’s a perfect illustration that smart people learn from the mistakes of fools, whereas fools learn from their own mistakes. Anglo elites appear to be below fools: they don’t learn even from their own mistakes.

  270. German_reader says:

    Disturbing comment from Niccolo Soldo’s new substack:

    [MORE]

    As a DC resident I’m fairly in tune with the policy consensus community and while I haven’t tried to make anyone explicitly spell out exact predictions, I do have a pretty good sense of where they think these things are going. Naturally they think that Biden’s governance of the country is superb (one even described the administration as “shockingly competent”), and that what he’s doing is going to set the stage for a strong, dynamic economy, etc. The caveat here being that supposedly Biden may only pull it off just in time for the next administration to take the credit. Clever hedging.

    There’s a strongly held view that the sanctions on Russia are working. One good friend of mine deals with sanction laws pretty extensively as part of his job, and is far more involved with the nuts and bolts of them than most, so his opinion on this carries some significant weight; if he’s wrong about this, then I really can’t overstate how much it would discredit the sanctioneers and their understanding of how this stuff works. It’s not really my area so I hesitate to make any snap judgments, but from my perspective the sanctions look like a pretty mixed bag insofar as certain parts of Russian industry have definitely been hit hard, but it doesn’t appear that the country lacks for the basics, and certainly not for income from hydrocarbons. In terms of how they’re impacting Europe, I think the American perspective is a pretty cavalier “You’ll be fine, just put a sweater on, btw this is your fault for buying Russian gas in the first place” which is Nic’s assessment as well from what I’ve seen.

    Finally–they’re very certain that Ukraine is winning, and going to win. One of my friends who works in foreign policy for a living has indicated that he believes the Russians wanted to do to Kiev what they did to Grozny in the 90s, but are military incapable of doing so (!). And no, I’m not exaggerating–he doesn’t just believe that the Russians were routed at Kiev but that they literally do not have the capacity to destroy Kiev by any means even if they want to (!!). Another friend believes the same, and he works for the foreign policy arm of the country directly with a high level security clearance.

    I don’t want to claim that my interactions reflect a statistically optimized cross-section of the DC elite consensus, but these are very much the view of true consensus insider nonetheless. I’ll be very, very interested to see how all this shakes out, and how they’ll react if none of these things go as they expect them to.

    If that’s the consensus view, pretty striking level of hubris.

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    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  271. @German_reader

    Textbook circle jerk.

    Germany’s energy supply is being extinguished in real time. If you have the merino wool long underwear distribution franchise in Berlin you are in luck.

    Else you are definitely not.

  272. @S

    After I posted that I realized I left out the best part. The Mithra bull sacrifice drenching of Augustus mom in fresh hot bull’s blood. Maybe the edited out scene in Eyes Wide Shut was that good but even Kubrick couldn’t top that. It was maybe the five greatest minutes cable TV all time.

    • LOL: S
    • Replies: @S
  273. @songbird

    I have also noticed that store bacon seems fatty. It’s harder for me to draw a continuum though since I only buy it when I’m out of my own bacon or haven’t gotten some from someone else local. I do use the bacon drippings quite religiously for cooking, so it doesn’t bother me as much as it would otherwise.

    The only store bacon I buy when I am in need is the Wegmans store brand thick sliced. That seems to be pretty consistent for quality but I’ve seen other stuff that looks quite pathetic. What really gets me is the sad paper thin slices of “bacon” that seem to be on sandwiches more and more.

    I have two piggies ready for a November date, so soon I’ll be rolling in bacon again! Bwah Ha Ha!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @songbird
  274. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    Have you ever eaten lard? It can actually be quite tasty if served with onions or garlic, spread on dark rye or other whole grain bread (dark and crusty bread). Modern nutritional guidelines seem to be geared more now towards animal fats as a superior source of energy food that carbohydrates or proteins. East Europeans have enjoyed this sort of fare for ages.


    lard sandwiches with a bowl of borshch and some cloves of garlic anybody?

  275. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    After I posted that I realized I left out the best part. The Mithra bull sacrifice drenching of Augustus mom in fresh hot bull’s blood.

    I was just about to eat a big hearty dinner, too, but remembering that particular scene just now has caused me to suddenly lose my appetite.

    Thaannksss.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  276. Mr. Hack says:
    @Barbarossa

    I find myself in Minnesota right now, and am pleasantly surprised to find that the bacon here is quite lean and meaty. Ordinary brands at Cashway, a family bargain grocery store, provide such good and tasty bacon for their loyal customers. This is the brand that’s in the fridge right now, I’m told that it cost about \$6.50 per pound (Indiana bacon in Minnesota? Must be another example of the ravaging effects of globalization):

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  277. Coconuts says:
    @Beckow

    As Stalin was doing his worst in the late 30’s, Franco in Spain was doing the same to the Spanish revolutionaries.

    Franco was the insurgent or revolutionary in that one. In his time in Spain it was often officially called the ‘War of National Liberation’.

  278. @S

    The last time I searched for it nobody had posted it but here it is!

    Those Italians used to have the greatest religions.

    • Replies: @Unintended Consequence
    , @S
  279. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    They usually “outsource” the anti-Christian activities.

    This is partly related to some of the teachings in the NT, but also the NT is an extension of the Old Testament, and some of these things would be more the Old Testament side of things.

    We have customers, who are like the congregation of the church. We have their brand loyalty. We might have desire to demonize the competition, or even better (as the church has experienced for many centuries in Europe) to be a monopolist with your competition eliminated. In the perfect world, you could hope for politician allies and inquisitions to suppress the competitors.

    Though the Church had a different sort of product, while companies usually sell private and consumable goods, the Church ended up marketing the Common Good, supposed to be made up of things that are multiplied rather than diminished when they are shared (like the virtues, beauty, peace etc.).

    I think because of the way the Bible, the Tradition and political philosophy were understood, all the big churches (Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran state ones) were involved in some form of political Integralism, at least till the end of Christendom, probably beyond in different forms. This is why in some respects they might have been comparable, and possibly an early prototype of things like the Communist Party of the SU, and you see in some Catholic countries (Italy, Spain), the Church sharing its task with a single party or some state organs, as things were modernising.

    In terms of KGB working within the churches during the Soviet times, the analogy is not perfect. But it’s partly like having a legal compliance branch in your corporation.

    In some ways the KGB could also be seen as agents of a new rising monopolist concern, which could not yet fully displace an old monopolist, due to the brand loyalty it had built up over many centuries, so its activities had to be monitored and contained.

    A strong feature of Orthodox and Catholic worship (particularly clear in the Catholic Church before the 60s, when masses were in Latin and quite strange to see now) is the public sacrificial cult, and all the characters and supernatural powers connected with it. This seems to be a continuation of something much older, so the brand loyalty that built up could be significant.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  280. @Emil Nikola Richard

    The “I, Claudius” miniseries from 1976 is a good follow up for “Rome” as long as you don’t mind the limitations of the filming and sets.

  281. @S

    Are you when speaking of ‘magicians’ then referring to the same type of people Edward Bernays was speaking of when he wrote of ‘an invisible government’ who pull the wires which control the public mind?

    His description is accurate but I do not think he was referring to those people. It appears that he was talking about those who implement the craft on practice – the apprentices. The masters do not work.

    To be fair this topic is complicated and can get intricate. During the 20th century a lot of that secret knowledge spilled out to the public domain. Right now there is more than one big clan and in addition a number of smaller ones, that operate on a regional scale. But the core group is still in place and to them all the others are amateurs.

    There are some renegades and there are self-promoted charlatanes that seem to be authentic but are not. These do not last for long and are crushed soon enough. The genuine magicians do not lose.

    To keep it simple remember the legend of the Freemasons about their founder – Hiram Abiff.

    King Solomon was considered a great magician. He had power over angels and demons and used his magic to build a great kingdom. He established peace and submitted his enemies, and accumulated enormous wealth. And then he decided to build a temple – for God. Such a temple where the presence of God would be permanent.

    And to do that he called upon a master mason, Hiram. Hiram was a great architect and knew the secrets of the craft, but King Solomon gave him some special instructions. Certain proportions and particular placement of some elements of construction had to be incorporated in the design so the temple would become what it was intended to be – the House of God.

    The Temple of Solomon is considered to be a representation of the inner architecture of a human soul, in which God himself resides somewhere deep inside, in a secret chamber. And so the Temple was supposed to be a soul of the people, in which God would dwell. That secret is what King Solomon revealed to Hiram.

    So, in the end upon completion of the building three other master masons approached Hiram and demanded of him to share that secret with them, and he refused to do that and then was murdered.

    Such is the background. The most interesting is what happened next.

    [MORE]

    The kingdom prospered and the people along with it. But when King Solomon died he left no heir of his magic considering his son to be inappropriate for it. After his death his kingdom disintegrated and later his people were conquered, and his Temple was ruined. Together with him disappeared his magic.

    Then as the Temple was ruined so the secret of Solomon was lost, and the arcane name of God that gave him power over higher spirits was forgotten. The Hebrew people were exiled from their land and relocated to Mesopotamia. And from then on the genuine teaching of Moses and of King Solomon are dead.

    Few people comprehend it.

    For example during the period of King Solomon there were four books in the Bible. Four authors composed four manuscripts of those, each one a bit different than the others. Now we have five books of Moses, four of which were put together from the remaining fragments of the original text, and the last one was written in Mesopotamia and it was not a part of the original teaching.

    That book was brought to Jerusalem when the people were let return and was kind of found in the ruins of the Temple – a miracle!

    From then on the Jewish religion was different. Those later writings that were added turned it into something else. The people who wrote them – the scribes – were not familiar with the esoteric side of it. The so-called prophets were then manipulating the people, speaking and writing as if being inspired on behalf of God. And later the Pharisees replaced them and the Talmud replaced the Bible.

    And here is the point.

    It is considered that no people can enter the Temple of God but the Jewish people. But there was an exception – master mason Hiram Abiff. He alone was granted that exceptional permission so he could build the Temple. He and his apprentices could enter the House of God.

    That is of course allegorical. The meaning is that for a person who is not a Jew there is a path to that arcane and secret chamber of his mind where God resides and he can find it through learning the Craft. And that craft is magic.

    The Freemasonry is kind of esoteric Judaism for gentiles.

    And the Freemasons depend on those who create and control the narrative. For the most part those are certain Jewish masters of Kabbalah.

    And to answer the questing who are those magicians at large take a good look at those who reign us. For a longest period of time the high-ranking clerics of the Catholic Church were those magicians. It is clear once we examine the buildings that were build for them. The Catholic Church is pure Satanism.

    Another example is the first Communist government of the USSR. On the surface it was kind of atheistic, preaching materialism and standing up to a religion and considering it a superstition, but at the same time it was loaded with occultism from top to bottom.

    The Nazi government was the same. Hitler was the same as Lenin – a clueless person used without him being aware for his talent of a public speaker. A false messiah. Stalin was a genuine magician but he was a renegade. Look at his clones in Asia – the same method. The same magic.

    Your own American establishment is another good example.

    Now it has got complicated. There are smaller organizations that are networking and connected to each other on some higher level. These are widespread in the United States. And there are big organizations such as the Freemasonry and more aristocratic ones, but on the top level there are a few hundred people that few people heard of.

    We are scratching the surface here.

    And regarding that book and those authors. The first one I had not heard of and it appears to be good. The other one resembles theses from the Satanic Bible. But as far as I know the best book on these topics is the one Gustave Le Bon published in 1895.

    Check it out.

    The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind (1895)
    https://archive.org/details/dli.ministry.11678/page/n3/mode/2up?view=theater

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @S
  282. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I was going to post the James Purefoy Marc Antony scene where he was doing some odd religious ritual that caused him to roll his eyes, but couldn’t find it. Anyhow, I liked Purefoy’s characterization of Antony as always practical and down to Earth.

    The below scene is a good example where Antony speaks his military dictum ‘When in doubt, attack!’

    There’s another scene in the series where he sends Pompey’s head to Caesar carefully packed in salt for his perusal, saying that he had always found ‘doing the little things like this make all the difference’ in personal friendships. Couldn’t agree more! 🙂

  283. Wokechoke says:
    @S

    No need for Rome. We’ve seen this before.

    “There my lord there are your guns!”

    Nolan even looks like a meme going around these days. One gesture by a professional officer and there goes your Brigade.

    Smacks of Murder…

    • Replies: @S
  284. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Lot of dead Ukies from this offensive and it’s inexorably going to require personnel from France UK and Germany to fill the trenches you ignorant Slav fuck.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  285. Wokechoke says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    All the Red hair and curls. Lindsay Duncan v a younger version of Polly from Peaky Blinders.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  286. @S

    History is so mean to Antony. He must have exhibited a little virtue along the way.

    • LOL: S
  287. @Wokechoke

    Polly Walker was 39 in 2005. She invested a lot in maintaining her semblance of youthful vigor.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  288. @Here Be Dragon

    You’re an idiot and, if you want angels to help you, learn to hear and see, and, most importantly, grow!

    Don’t start with retarded theories of everything. That’s depressing. Like just think of the unbelievable false pride that has gone into you convincing yourself that you know this stuff…

    • Troll: Here Be Dragon
  289. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Stalin is really enigma

    I think he is less enigma when you read him or listen to his talks and see he believes Leninism like a religious text, very sincere. He is obsessed to justify his policies in relation to literal interpretation of Lenin’s talks or writing. He believes he cannot fail if he is supported by the theory, as he believes the theory as a kind of higher religious truth.

    This can explain some of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, as Stalin always wants to believe like religious prophecy Lenin’s text that the capitalist powers will destroy each other before they threaten communism.

    Even in the 1950s, Stalin is writing that capitalist countries will fight each other and we just need to wait for them to do this.

    In terms of the “anti-nepotism” you write about. It’s not completely true as his children from the Alliluyeva are supposed to work in high positions.

    But overall his relations with his family, he chooses to be Stalin, General Secretary of the USSR, an impersonal kind of religious servant who follows the interest of the workers, not Iosif Dzhugashvili from Gori, who he wants to forget. Although it’s not completely without family emotions, as he had been in love with his daughter Svetlana.

    vaguely remembered he also directed a movie about Ivan the Terrible

    It was in two chapters. The first is about the great leader and defeating his enemies. In the second, it’s including irrational paranoia and increasingly crazy leader. Second part was not enjoyable for Stalin as we would predict and is not shown to public only after Stalin has died.

    seen Battleship Potemkin and Alexander Nevsky

    There in 1938 is a famous example of very nationalist art that was accepted as a part of socialist realism, becoming dominant after those attacks on formalism in the 1920s. These modernist content creators like Prokofiev, Eisenshtein (Shostakovich after he was threatened as formalist in 1936) could maneuver to this kind of production.

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  290. @songbird

    I always get the lard when butchering pigs. It’s easy to render yourself and keeps well if you do it well. I keep my stash of jars in the freezer, but the jar on the counter will last for a long time without getting rancid.

    The leaf lard (from inside the organ cavity) gets rendered separately and makes killer flaky pie crust. The leaf lard doesn’t taste “piggy” at all. The regular fat is great for everyday cooking. Lard is a high quality cooking fat in my opinion. Butter, olive oil, etc still have their preferred uses. I always use butter for caramelized onions, for example.

    Store bought lard has preservatives and crap, so I wouldn’t recommend it. Plus, things accumulate in the fat, so any toxins, pesticide residue, etc the pig is eating will bio-accumulate heavily there. I prefer to know the source of my lard.

    It’s quite easy to get lard for rendering from any small scale producers around you if you want to try it. Everyone buys the meat, but not the lard so they are happy to get rid of it typically. So, join the cool kids now in keeping your jarred lard handy! You’ll feel so superior to those hipster asshats when they finally catch up to the new trend!

    • Thanks: songbird
  291. @Thulean Friend

    I was casually wondering the other day what the reasons were that the US has been shielded from worse energy shocks in comparison to Europe. Clearly it’s not just due to one reason, but that is a telling graph. I’m still wondering how it’s going to play out going into winter, since games can only be played for so long.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  292. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    NT is an extension of the Old Testament

    Jesus was very deeply in the Jewish religious texts of his time and he has continuity when he says things like the most important commandment is the first and tenth (Matthew 22:37) or when he radicalizes the commandment to not desire your neighbor’s wife.

    But some of his most important (probably valuable) moral teaching is also contradicting tradition view of Old Testament teachings which you cannot easily avoid, even if it was politically impossible in many historical epochs to follow this kind of radical teaching in a collective level. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A38-48&version=NIV

    Church had a different sort of product, while companies usually sell private and consumable goods, the Church ended up marketing the Common Good, supposed to be made up of things that are multiplied rather than diminished when they are shared (like the virtues, beauty, peace

    Think about corporations like Google. They are not usually selling so much physical products, but rather becoming intermediary or trying to be monopolists of information.

    Even some of the physical manufacturing OEMs like Apple, are like religious cults. Apple has kind of atmosphere of a church, where you are supposedly selling virtue, beauty and peace.

    You can see how Apple is talking about their M2 processors like it is holy magical object, piece of the cross. Perhaps Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant. Which the reality of M2 is quite disappointing to perceive by comparison.

    Tesla is currently just an OEM, but their larger ambition will be very related to control of the information flows and Musk wants to create some entry for “artificial intelligence” to create a new world and messianical times.

    KGB could also be seen as agents of a new rising monopolist concern, which could not yet fully displace an old monopolist, due to the brand loyalty it had built up over many centuries, so its activities had to be monitored and contained.

    Yes this sounds like it is very true. The Soviet system has its own church structure built with it, as well as holy texts of Lenin and this is why perhaps they can displace the previous churches and view religion as a rival, unlike most governments in history. But maybe my analogy is not so good, as the KGB has also controlled the church in the later Soviet time. Having KGB working there is perhaps a bit more analogous like having children of owner of the company monitoring you in the executive room?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    , @Coconuts
  293. @Barbarossa

    I was casually wondering the other day what the reasons were that the US has been shielded from worse energy shocks in comparison to Europe.

    Its as simple as it gets. The US has resources, whereas Europe doesn’t. Only a clinical idiot or a compardore would sacrifice his country for the overlords. That’s what European “leaders” are doing.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  294. Dmitry says:

    India bypassing the United Kingdom economy for the first time says Bloomberg news. India has population of over 1,4 billion and the Kingdom has 67 million so it is very weak form of bypassing as a result of the population difference.

    China already bypassed the size of the Kingdom economy in 2006. But with India there is perhaps some more symbolism of the former colony bypassing the economy size of the colonist. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-02/uk-slips-behind-india-to-become-world-s-sixth-biggest-economy

    UK Slips Behind India to Become World’s Sixth Biggest Economy

    Britain has dropped behind India to become the world’s sixth largest economy, delivering a further blow to the government in London as it grapples with a brutal cost-of-living shock.

    The former British colony leaped past the UK in the final three months of 2021 to become the fifth-biggest economy. The calculation is based in US dollars, and India extended its lead in the first quarter, according to GDP figures from the International Monetary Fund.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Blinky Bill
  295. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    Thanks, your comments on Stalin are really helpful and full of insights.

    • Agree: Yahya
  296. @AnonfromTN

    Sure, we have the resources but they are still connected to the commodities markets. It’s not as though we have a nationalized energy sector like the Saudis or Venezuela for maximum subsidization of the consumer market. This fact limits the scope somewhat for the games that can be played to control prices.

  297. Wokechoke says:
    @Dmitry

    Russia is on there at 11.

    China at 2 combined with Russia is a rather formidable figure.

  298. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    Lots of dead braincells from your offensive little mind that’s going to require an inexorable amount of psychiatric help from wherever to fill the synapsis between the cells in your brain, you sorry little mongrel cluck! 🙂

    Cokebloke loses another braincell while playing armchair general within Ukraine. 🙂

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  299. @Barbarossa

    This fact limits the scope somewhat for the games that can be played to control prices.

    Yes, but the US government still has more means at its disposal. Right now it keeps gas and oil prices lower than they would have been otherwise by sacrificing strategic oil reserves that are already about half of their peak. These reserves are finite, but libtards only plan to play thin game before November elections. They don’t want to be so far behind that even massive fraud becomes insufficient. They bank that the people are dumb enough to buy this. They might be right.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Barbarossa
  300. @Barbarossa

    The free market price in the U.S. was baked in.

    Germany had a sweetheart deal so is getting a bigger shock than just fending with the open market.

    Also the EU tax regime on energy is aggressive. There is a reason everybody there has a dinky 4 cylinder car and that is the gasoline tax.

    The media lid on these factors is totalitarian at the citizens. They aren’t going to keep the lid tight when the temperature drops and people see the heating bill.

  301. Beckow says:
    @AnonfromTN

    …oil prices lower than they would have been otherwise by sacrificing strategic oil reserves that are already about half of their peak.

    There is a reason people start eating their seed grains – as US is doing with the oil reserves. They either expect the market for oil to collapse due to an economic crisis, or they simply don’t worry about the future. Defeating Russia, or not losing visibly, is clearly at this point the end-all, that stupid Baerbock lady even blurted it out.

    When the war is over the leaders of the losing side will have to go – for them this is personal. For all three: Ukraine, Russia, the West. It has become an existential struggle for them, the Kiev gang is best positioned to simply scuttle away, they are also most likely to break first.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  302. @AnonfromTN

    Unless I’m missing something the means are still quite limited. Dipping into the reserves and suspending federal or state taxes on fuel are about it. It will be interesting to see how this plays out since they can probably make things look fairly good for the midterms but this may rebound negatively more sharply after, which will look bad.

    But as you say, people are dumb and have short memories so some new distraction can be engineered for 2024, no doubt.

  303. S says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Thanks. I’d never heard of Le Bon before. He seems to have been a truly great and brilliant man. The people of the little Breton town he came from have every right to be very proud of him.

    What Le Bon called the ‘collective mind’ seems to have been what Bernays was calling the ‘group’ or ‘public mind’. Le Bon was very right about how images, symbols, and even numbers can be used to manipulate and propagate the human mind individually or enmasse, even calling it a type of ‘magic’.

    It just shows that just as people should be careful about what they eat, they should be careful what they expose their minds to.

    • Agree: Here Be Dragon
  304. Pixo says:

    I predict with a weak 40% confidence level a Russian collapse in the South.

    Here’s my collapse scenario and evidence. And yes I don’t think every single Western and Uke claim is true. But basic facts, especially when they don’t involve claims of atrocities, seem to be pretty accurately reported by Western sources. And even when they had an emotional bias against Russia, the same sources overestimated Russian capabilities.

    1. Weak DNR/LNR conscript units will collapse first. They are Uke natives and can fade into the local population. They are unhappy to be on the front lines and not being paid as promised. There was already a report of such a unit retreating towards Kherson city rather than fight two days ago.

    2. Next to collapse will be the civilian infrastructure Russia has set up with a mix of Russians bribed to move there and local collaborators. Each day they spend more time in safe houses and bases and less time out doing the business of occupation and supporting the front. They get hit more and more by targeted strikes called in by Uke spies. They quietly disappear, go into hiding, or attempt to switch sides. Again, there’s already evidence of this happening with targeted killings and bombings.

    3. The first two points undermine the increasingly isolated and undersupplied Russian and mercenary forces, who otherwise would be able to hold off the Uke offensive. Small Uke gains create fear of encirclement and lead to retreat.

    4. Russia already did one sudden and disorderly retreat from Kiev and Sumy. After six months of disappointment and increasing and grinding Uke attacks, a repeat may end up looking obvious in retrospect.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  305. Yahya says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    India is same as Nigeria and Congo as far as I can see

    No it isn’t. India has a 5,000 year record of high civilization filled with intellectual achievements, luminous monuments and spiritual innovations. In the present day they are contributing a fair bit to the sciences and have developed some noteworthy industries around IT and agriculture. Sub-Saharans have done no such things. This isn’t to belittle Nigeria and Congo; but they’ve never had and are currently nowhere near the same level of civilization as India.

    smoking hot Mrs. G.

    Really? This is that you call “smoking hot”? She is/was not even a 7.

    Look further southward to Azerbaijan if you want an example of a truly “smoking hot” first lady.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  306. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I am beginning to hear rumors through back channels that large numbers of personnel from these countries will be stuck into direct conflict with Russia soon enough.

    The previously open policy debate we have seen in the UK and Germany has now chilled to the point that some kind of direct intervention against Russia is clearly being contemplated. The public has been battered into compliance enough and the direct path to the Steppe is being beaten.

    One of the extra horrors is the possibility that Boris Johnson may take over as secretary of NATO from Jens Stoltenberg.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Mr. Hack
  307. Wokechoke says:
    @Pixo

    That depends on how much artillery the Russians pack behind the Dneiper.

    It’s quite possible that the Ukies could wipe out every soldier stationed there as the 6th Army killed almost all of Chuikov’s men in Stalingrad. But then again the Russians could cut the New Model Ukie Army to shreds.

  308. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    Russia is militarily engaged with well over half its arsenal (personnel and weapons) not involved. Kiev regime and its Western backers have the more challenging limits.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  309. Mikhail says: • Website

    Excellent Journalism

    Re: Russia-Ukraine Segment

    NY talk radio host Frank Morano goes where his establishment peers don’t. The latter have hyped the image of Russians getting a limited view.

    Overall, Russians are much better informed than their US peers on a number of issues, including Russia-Ukraine. The below linked show is a rarity in the US market. Note that it’s aired in the after-midnight hours as opposed to prime time.

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/mark-sleboda-moscow-based-international-affairs-security-analyst-09-02-2022/ (scroll down when at link)

  310. Note to oneself: always believe Dmitry over Karlin when it comes to Russian internal politics.

    [MORE]

    Dmitry has long described Putin as “The Russian Merkel” when it comes to immigration, whereas Karlin has furiously attacked him for this.

    I took a calculated bet on believing Dmitry over Karlin long ago and it certainly looks like the right call. You should too.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  311. @Dmitry

    The former British colony leaped past the UK in the final three months of 2021 to become the fifth-biggest economy.

    If the Indians endeavour to ever become the 1st or even the 2nd biggest economy, they need to focus on this and do what ever it takes to change the status quo of the last 40 years.

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  312. German_reader says:

    An emblematic story from modern Germany: At the Christopher Street Day Parade in Münster man insults several women as “Lesbian whores”…when a “trans man” (don’t know what exactly that means…female to male trans? So confusing) intervenes, he’s hit in the face, falls and subsequently dies of his injuries.
    Perpetrator is caught shortly thereafter…it’s a rejected 20-year old Chechen asylum seeker called Nuradi A.
    Looks like the case will be extensively exploited by the LGBTQI+ (or whatever the acronym now is) lobby. Or maybe not, given the identity of the perpetrator, lol.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  313. @Yevardian

    Also the seeing the demographic transformation in the suburb I later grew up was disconcerting, which is ironic as an immigrant

    It is indeed – but not as uncommon as you think. Karlin’s hypernationalism is certainly quite amusing to me given his own mixed background. Recently, I’ve seen a larger and larger share of 2nd gen immigrants take these positions also.

    One of the most strident critics of mass immigration in Sweden is a Kurdish-Iranian economist with a PhD from our most prestigious economic institution (Handelshögskolan) who denounces “low IQ immigrants”.

    The most optimistic reading of these trends is that they represent a form of cultural victory that immigrants from the non-Western world, such as your family or said Kurdish academic, start identifying with their new adopted homeland.

    I’m personally not a fan of ethnic nationalism and prefer Australia’s or Canada’s system, as I’ve made clear in the past. Though I am still a bit traditionalist in the sense that I believe that those who advocate for nationalist positions should be from the same group that created and sustained these countries. In other words, you may live in the West but you are not of the West.

    You may perceive yourself to be a “loyal outsider” but as you admitted yourself, your people have suffered at the hands of various moslem and Jewish machinations. So it would make sense to align yourself to the groups most hostile against those who have harmed your own, in this case that would be the Western hard-right. In other words, it could just be calculated self-interest dressed up as faux concern for the West. Admittedly, this is a less charitable reading of your character, so I don’t expect you to agree.

    Either way, I’m not particularly concerned about the future of the West. We will continue to do just fine.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  314. @songbird

    Seems like a lot of people in the developing world are still fat, even though they might be poor by First World standards. As such, I would speculate that waistlines might not decline much, though I suspect that people will eat out less, and that might have an effect.

    If I recall correctly, the highest obesity rates are in countries like Mexico, Turkey, the Arab world etc. Seems that you don’t have to be spectacularly rich to start seeing the negative effects of the “modern lifestyle”.

    You can see this in daily life, too. Unfortunately, it is often more expensive to eat well than eating fast food. This is an important reason why poorer people in the West often get fatter than richer people. Once you get to very high incomes, it becomes easier to buy healthy food and there’s also greater social pressure to stay fit.

    I suspect there’s a “valley effect”. The truly destitute are skinny out of compulsion and the well-off by choice. The middle-layer have the worst incentives and end up the fattest.

    There’s probably some genetic component here too. Ssubcontinentals have genetic predispositions towards obesity to a greater extent than other groups.

    How big of a blunder was Bezos’ new LotR show?

    Depends what you think their objective was. If the objective was to create as good a show as they could, clearly it was a flop. But I don’t think that was their aim. As the West gets more diverse, there will be more pressure to diversify quintessentially Northern European cultural classics to get more “buy-in”.

    I personally think this is a silly trend. I believe in genuine multiculturalism: let each group have their own cultural treasures, instead of forcibly trying to mix everything up. I am also skeptical that putting in a few token blacks will suddenly make blacks identify with LOTR. Then again, perhaps I am underestimating the assimiliationist urge among non-whites.

    • Replies: @songbird
  315. @Thulean Friend

    Efficiency!

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  316. Wielgus says:
    @Beckow

    Stalin’s final and longest term of Siberian exile resulted from his arrest not long after meeting Roman Malinovsky, a leading Bolshevik who was also an Okhrana agent. Almost certainly Malinovsky denounced Stalin. All Russian revolutionary groups under Tsarism had a significant number of informers, and Stalin’s perception in the 1930s of the USSR having large numbers of enemy agents who needed to be purged has been attributed by some historians to his early experiences.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  317. Mikhail says: • Website

    As the cookie crumbles –

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Beckow
  318. @German_reader

    “trans man”

    It means “highly masculine woman.”

    Who wants everyone else to supply validation that their high degree of masculinity actually makes them a man.

    This way she hopes to convince herself that she’s not broken or fallen. When really she should accept that she is and what she is and overcome what is the human condition through transcendence rather than transexualism.

    And masculine means that she conforms to a number of stereotypes that were traditionally held about how men should act.

    And those stereotypes were partly accurate observations on how men actually acted, combined with the usual idealisation/demonisation that accompanies any observations made by humans about humans, along with some supposed morals “oughts” based on diverse and unpredictable factors.

    Most commonly this means that a trans-man is a woman who found dealing with her feelings difficult and struggled with socialisation, especially with female friendships, before deciding the obvious, that struggling to make female friends and struggling with owning and understanding your feelings, means that you actually have a male mind trapped in a female body.

    Just a sadder version of Matt Walsh’s point that he is probably actually a woman as he really likes scented candles.

    That German woman didn’t deserve to get murdered by the Chechen squatter though. Nor do the other German women deserve to feel in danger on the streets of their own country. Any nationalist who doesn’t immediately understand that is useless.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  319. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    That German woman didn’t deserve to get murdered by the Chechen squatter though.

    Sure, that’s tragic, but it’s still funny insofar as it exposes the contradictions of progressive ideology. And if it had happened to me, it would be a minor news item at most.
    “murdered” is technically probably the wrong term btw. I’m not convinced he’ll even be sentenced for manslaughter (though I suppose the LGBTQI+ angle will be an aggravating factor).

    • Replies: @LatW
  320. German_reader says:
    @Mikhail

    You’ve been told in the previous thread that you shouldn’t post so many Twitter links without using the MORE tag, because it slows down the thread…is that so hard to understand?
    Continuously linking to Twitter for stories supposedly validating your preferred narrative, without even bothering to write a short comment of your own, is also really poor commenting practice.

  321. @AP

    You are getting desperate, and don’t even realize that you post things that support what I say.

    No, I am getting increasingly tired of you and your psychopathic silliness.

    Obviously you are not capable of understanding what a sane reader would conclude. But keep trying.

    Paranoid schizophrenia.

    I will be on vacation for a few days, so my posts will be limited. I will wait until I return before posting a lengthy one.

    That is good news. You need a rest. And do not bother posting any more lengthy ones – we are done.

    Better talk to a psychiatrist.

  322. Both field and propaganda dust has settled a little bit after several days of intense fighting in souther sector and preliminary results are getting more clear and imo relatively satisfiable so far for UA with confirmation of Blagodatovka taken back from RF, also Lyubomirovka / Red Banner (north of Ternovy Pod), e.g. Strelkov’s latest military report, where he admits…

    …the progress of Ukrainian counter-offensive in numerous locations and the establishment of a Ukrainian foothold near at river Inhulets. According to Girkin, bridges of Dnieper are practically non-operational which prevents the large Russian group from being re-supplied. While at the moment the results of the counter-offensive are unclear as it is too early to draw conclusions, Ukrainian forces have all chances of moving forward due to parity in artillery capabilities. The Russians still have superiority in aviation but severely lack manpower to carry out any counter-counter-offensive operations to stop Ukrainians, and have to play from defence completely.

    https://wartranslated.com/igor-girkin-south-ukraine-frontline-update-for-4-september/

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @LatW
  323. @Dmitry

    Some of his most important moral teaching is also contradicting tradition view of Old Testament teachings which you cannot avoid, even if it was politically impossible in many historical epochs to follow this kind of radical teaching in a collective level.

    His teaching was not meant to be followed on a large scale. He was a leader of a messianic sect expecting the world to end within short time.

    His teaching was radical and was supposed to lead to the limit of what a regular man can endure. Extreme asceticism. You know that he belonged to the Essenes who were a monastic commune.

    His name the Nazarene or the Nazarite is as well misunderstood as one from the town of Nazareth but in truth it refers to him being a nazirite – a Jewish ascetic of the time not very different from the Hindu sadhus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazirite

    Christianity of any denomination is a distorted and even twisted interpretation of his teaching. Not to mention that the Bible itself was not written for the gentiles. The Jewish religion was tailored for the Jewish needs of the time.

    Once taken out of its own context it was turned into something monstrous.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  324. LondonBob says:
    @Barbarossa

    The US has shutdown the LNG export terminal at Freeport for ‘regulatory’ reasons, After that mysterious explosion there. Keeps prices lower in the US and higher in Europe.

    • Replies: @A123
  325. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    And I’m beginning to hear rumors that you’re just starting to emerge from a nasty hangover. Any normal reason why you decided to attack me so childishly in comment #291? Your reply to my comment #283, replete with an unwarranted expletive, that only included a benign reference to a culinary subject, and not even addressed your way was totally unwarranted. I’ve always treated you with respect and courtesy. It’s just another example of how this blogsite is really spiralling downwards very quickly. 🙁

  326. A123 says: • Website
    @LondonBob

    The US has shutdown the LNG export terminal at Freeport for ‘regulatory’ reasons, After that mysterious explosion there. Keeps prices lower in the US and higher in Europe.

    Do you have a link for ‘regulatory’ announcement? I do not recall anything new for Freeport.
    ___

    Not-The-President Biden is run by the European WEF. And, the German Green Party wants maximum prices. It could be Scholz directing European gas prices higher to keep his Traffic Light coalition government intact.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  327. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    Yes, that’s right! The slices of bacon are thinner now, but I forgot to mention it. I think part of it is about displaying them side by side, another about getting them to soak up water to increase the weight.

    I’m puzzled about why they are fattier. I would have thought they’d be leaner, if the feed was reduced, or changed. Maybe, they are getting less soy (protein), and that explains it?

    @Mr. Hack, when I was a very young boy, I remember getting butter sandwiches, and I found them kind of disgusting.

    I’m amazed that you have eaten lard sandwiches. I thought that was something in the past. Maybe, it is more a part of traditional EE cuisine? Salami or bacon is about as far as I think I’d enjoy in that direction.

  328. songbird says:
    @Blinky Bill

    They should have kept a taping-system on Nixon in his home, until the day he died. Would have been interesting to hear his secret comments about the Desert Storm, the trade war with Japan, and the LA Riots, among other topics.

  329. Wokechoke says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Australia was more English than England, even the Irish population!

  330. Wokechoke says:
    @songbird

    Sounds like a play by Samuel Beckett.

  331. Wokechoke says:
    @sudden death

    The Russian Airforce would need to show up above the battle field to keep this going. But supply should be possible via short helicopter jumps and motorized barges and launches. These are not insurmountable logistic troubles. See DDay or on a more depressing note for the Russians Anzio, Salerno and Walcheren. The Russians are not surrounded, they just have their backs to a river.

    There’s no reason food couldn’t be droned in either.

  332. A123 says: • Website

    The Babylon Bee provides their take on Amazon’s new venture.

    I may just re-watch JourneyQuest

    PEACE 😇

  333. @Yahya

    Look further southward to Azerbaijan if you want an example of a truly “smoking hot” first lady.

    She is 58.

    How does she do in the swimsuit competition?

  334. @songbird

    At least they aren’t promoting raw liver.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @songbird
  335. Wielgus says:
    @Beckow

    Also why some of them are fantasizing about breaking Russia up into 15 or so parts.

  336. @songbird

    interesting to hear his secret comments

    Who knew Yevardian and Nixon had so much in common!

    [MORE]

    • LOL: songbird
  337. S says:
    @Wokechoke

    Nolan even looks like a meme going around these days. One gesture by a professional officer and there goes your Brigade.

    Thanks. I wouldn’t have recognized David Hemmings (from Blowup) as Nolan if I hadn’t looked it up. That was a terrible nightmare inducing scream he emitted when he got hit by that shrapnel.

    As an aside, the commanding officer going on about the ‘pretty babies’, ‘pretty linens, and ‘pretty valleys’, and then momentarily forgetting they were supposed to be attacking the Russians, and not the British own French allies in this particular war, makes a person wonder how exactly it was with leaders like that that the British ever did manage to conquer an empire for themselves.

    I know about the ‘muddling through’ business, but than can only overcome so much. 😉

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  338. @Beckow

    They either expect the market for oil to collapse due to an economic crisis

    That is virtually a certainty. The economies of the US and the EU are in recession, and this recession is going to become more severe, especially in the EU. Those who sell their crap in the US and EU (e.g., China and several other countries with relatively low labor costs) will see the market for their goods shrinking. All these factors will drive the demand for oil down, so the price will go down, unless OPEC significantly cuts production. In the Spring of 2023 the price of natural gas will also go down for the same reasons. Reduced consumption is likely to last for a long time: the industry that closes in Europe in coming months won’t reopen any time soon, if ever.
    But reduction in energy prices would be the only positive development for the US and its vassals. The confidence in the USD keeps going down and will go further down, Visa and Mastercard shot themselves in the foot by voluntarily giving up a huge market and giving an advantage to competition (Chinese UnionPay and Russian Mir), SWIFT committed the same blunder, industry is shifting away from G7 countries and other US sidekicks at accelerating pace, and so is the general balance or power.

  339. Beckow says:
    @Wielgus

    …Stalin’s perception in the 1930s of the USSR having large numbers of enemy agents who needed to be purged has been attributed by some historians to his early experiences.

    There had to be a lot of agents – that’s the problem with revolutions, changes happen too fast and people get swept in. The paranoid purges are based on new elite knowing this.

    Stalinist purges were generational: a few old Bolshies used young people to eliminate the bulk of the old Bolshies. Anyone pre-1920’s could be an agent, but not the young cadres. As horrible as it was it suppressed nepotism for a few decades and gave the young an incredible opportunity. It is unlikely Russia would have won WW2 as decisively as it did without the young being put in charge in the late 30’s.

    Societies make a fatal mistake when the old hold on to power and promote their families. It is a natural dynamic. now happening in US, but it always has bad consequences – from the medieval popes to ‘let’s try Clinton vs. Bush‘ in 2016, it is simply repulsive, a step too far by the establishment. Stalin solved it in his own brutal way.

  340. Beckow says:
    @Mikhail

    The Prague demo was shocking. It was barely organized and yet close to 200k people showed up – the 70k was an early ‘official’ estimate at 2 pm. The Venceslas Square is huge and it was completely packed including all side streets. And Prague is usually a liberal outlier in Czechia. Until it is not.

    It was a show of strength for patriotism and very distinctly anti-liberal. The PM declared them “Russian stooges” and stupidly identified all economic and social complaints with Russia. Even more stupidly local NGOs staged a tiny counter-demo with Ukie flags on the National Museum steps with 20 people and slogans: “We must suffer for the good of Ukraine! Values!” It highlighted the complete disparity.

    The proposed government solution: throw money to people, lots of it, financial stability be damned. Are these idiots for real? Some have villas in Miami or Cheshire, but when sh..t hits the fan it is never that simple. Some could end up as Uber drivers in N Jersey.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  341. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    I’m amazed that you have eaten lard sandwiches. I thought that was something in the past.

    To be honest, I can’t say that I’ve eaten a lot of these type of sandwiches, but when I have, I’ve found them to be tasty, especially with the garlic and borshch accoutrements. A shot of your favorite hootch can be an added inducement for approval too. 🙂 My very favorite type of bacon/salo is sort of a hybrid between both American bacon and Ukrainian salo, it’s usually referred to as “ready to eat rib on bacon”. It’s a fully cooked sort of delicacy that’s ready to go whenever you are, about 50% meat (real tender and tasty) and 50% white fat. Highly recommended:

    Notice the rib bones towards the top of the piece of bacon. The Hungarians do some fine ready to eat bacons too, sprinkled obviously with paprika. All of this can be purchased at any decent Ukrainian or Polish butcher market.

    • Thanks: songbird
  342. German_reader says:

    I read yesterday’s SPIEGEL today. Editorial was by Maximilian Popp, a shitlib millenial journo who iirc was a big proponent of “Refugees welcome” a few years ago. Now he’s into pro-Ukrainian activism. His argument: The Ukrainian counter-offensive in Kherson might be a turning point, so Scholz (who according to Popp has done as little as possible to support Ukraine so far) needs to do more, so Ukraine can re-conquer lost territory. And how is that to be done? Literally by handing over the Bundeswehr’s stocks of MLRs (of which the Bundeswehr has about 40 operational ones), howitzers, anti-air defense systems and APCs. Keeping the Bundeswehr operational doesn’t matter, because where else could their weapons be needed but in Ukraine? So just donating your army’s heavy weapons to a foreign country with which you don’t even have an alliance treaty is supposedly the reasonable thing to do. And then these people use arguments like “If Putin isn’t stopped in Ukraine, the Baltics are next”. Just bizarre.
    That level of childish bellicism (in Popp’s case almost certainly by someone with no experience of military service of his own) really indicates something deeply wrong in Germany, and probably Western societies more generally…have the grown-up all left the room? In any case, more evidence that Hang all journalists needs to become a political programme.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  343. Mr. Hack says:
    @German_reader

    Giving up all 40 weapon systems is drastic. How about 10? 15? or even 20? It’s my understanding that any of the NATO countries that do provide Ukraine any weapons are soon compensated by receiving newer and better ones.

    The overall question of why there’s a need to help and what must be provided to Ukraine to help it defend itself from the disproportionate and barbaric Russian invasion (that you’ve also quite often alluded to) is a question worth asking. I don’t pretend to have the perfect formulaic answer that you’re seeking, but let me assure you that at some level, at the very crux of the answer, it’s just the right thing to do. Allowing Russia to indiscriminately invade a neighboring country, because the leader of that country has fooled himself into believing that “Ukraine is not a country” or that Ukrainians are really Russians that need to be punished, doesn’t really need to be discounted as pure bunk. This kind of behavior needs to be severely stigmatized and punished.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Beckow
  344. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    It’s my understanding that any of the NATO countries that do provide Ukraine any weapons are soon compensated by receiving newer and better ones.

    “Soon” means several years, the entire debate is silly. Poland and Britain also haven’t given that much recently btw, the stocks of armaments in Europe that could be given away without serious repercussions apparently have been given away by now.
    I’ll be honest: While I’m still in favour of supporting Ukraine to prevent Russia from taking Odessa, Kharkiv or other major territories, I think those ideas about a major counter-offensive to chase the Russians back to the border are fantasy. The logistical issues are huge, and I don’t see how sufficient armaments could be provided without Western societies adopting a war economy…which I don’t see happening (and people who implicitly support that step should at least spell it out clearly and come up with a realistic programme). There’s also a distinct possibility that such a counter-offensive could end in disaster.
    But maybe I’m mistaken, and the Kherson offensive will be a great Ukrainian success, causing Russia to drop this demented project. We’ll see.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  345. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    But some of his most important (probably valuable) moral teaching is also contradicting tradition view of Old Testament teachings which you cannot easily avoid…

    The way the Catholic Church at least handled this was to identify two Covenants, both offered as the remedy for original sin. The Old one was the O/T, and the full improved version was O/T plus the last stage of development and fulfillment in the New Testament. It was judged that men were still too sinful for the full application of the N/T to society, so parts of the Old Covenant had to be maintained.

    Think about corporations like Google. They are not usually selling so much physical products, but rather becoming intermediary or trying to be monopolists of information.

    I thought about this a bit after writing my comment, thinking about some of those Apple and Facebook ventures.

    The difference seems to be that these companies are still very orientated towards trade and commerce, originally in private goods, though they do manifest some shared virtues and in various ways contribute to the Common Good. But they can end up not excelling at it or sometimes seeming sinister/flawed if they go too far (like that Meta thing).

    Some of the societies of the past seem to have been as good, possibly better, even with a more limited or rudimentary material base. Maybe it is because they pursued it more consciously?

    Having KGB working there is perhaps a bit more analogous like having children of owner of the company monitoring you in the executive room?

    Something like this, after a takeover, the children come to monitor the executives of the company their dad has purchased.

    There is an interesting point about about Communism and Christianity, apart from in the Soviet case where there were more restrictions and persecutions (probably partly linked to the Church’s association with Tsarism) and Albania, maybe Czechia, other Churches seemed to do better and maintain more of their membership/structures. In a European context the mature liberalism and capitalism of the last decades actually seems to have made Christianity melt away like no other regime before.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  346. Wokechoke says:
    @S

    The Crimean War was actually a very big campaign that included fighting in Georgia, Moldavia, Gulf of Finland and other places like Tashkent. The key imho to the catastrophe of the charge was Nolan pointing vaguely like that and not simply drawing a quickie map to show the redoubts the Russians were haulingTurkish guns away from. Raglan was a good old boy. Brudenel (Lord Cardigan) was a very brave Officer who got pointed in the wrong direction by a jumped up professional officer acting as a messenger.

    See Flashman at the Charge btw.

    • Thanks: S
  347. Mr. Hack says:
    @German_reader

    I’ve always enjoyed reading your comments here. You have a balanced approach and offer educated opinions. I remember recently reading one of your comments where you disclosed that you have some serious and debilitating back issues (sciatica?). I hope that you and others here that take part at this blogsite soon get some relief from your ailments. I’ve found that prayer can help, when nothing else seems to work…

    • Thanks: German_reader
  348. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    …the leader of that country has fooled himself into believing that “Ukraine is not a country” or that Ukrainians are really Russians

    You are fighting a made-up straw man and that is always a losing strategy. Russia invaded because of Donbas Russians and Nato – if you think Kiev is fighting something else, you are fighting a mirage.

    More weapons can only help if Kiev can win. Otherwise it only provides additional ways for the poor Ukie soldiers to die. Subcarpathia declared an official memorial for the 128. brigade that was completely destroyed in the attack on Kherson. What for? So Zelko can make more speeches?

    Are these sacrifices worth banning the Russian language and placing the Nato bases in Ukraine? You need to answer that question and not deceive with empty slogans. And if you think it is worth it, why aren’t you there charging into Russian artillery?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Mr. Hack
  349. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    You are fighting a made-up straw man

    There are more than enough Russians who talk about “dismembering” Ukraine. Just remember Karlin’s unhinged comments back in February when he was writing about how Kiev, the mother of Russian cities, would soon be coming back to the imperial fold (and the FSB for the rainbow people). Such megalomania seems to be at least part of the discourse in Russia, and the problem is (at least for me) that one can never be entirely sure how extreme Russia’s official goals are…something relatively reasonable like Ukrainian neutrality, recognition of Crimea, annexation of pro-Russian parts of Donbass…or something much more ambitious. That uncertainty is also an impediment to a negotiated end to this war (as is the apparent desire by Western, especially US, elites to bleed Russia in a long proxy war).

    • Replies: @Beckow
  350. LatW says:
    @sudden death

    Ukrainian forces have all chances of moving forward due to parity in artillery capabilities

    It’s interesting that Girkin states that there is now fire parity in that theater, hard to say whether this is true or just his exaggerated view (his observations are typically on the pessimistic side because of his overblown standards and desires for attempting to dominate Ukraine, don’t know if it’s his usual “doom and gloom” or if there is something to it).

    [MORE]

    Here’s a recap of Ivan Yakovina’s recent blog “Russians are admitting problems” and “Return of the Bayraktar”:

    – Russians admitting that they lack manpower for a massive counter-blow to respond to the Ukrainian moves; the Russians are aware that the situation for their troops is dangerous, but they cannot do much about it right now; even the hard core vatniks are admitting that the logistical side & supplying of 20K troops trapped near the river with blown up bridges is challenging; some logistics are working with helicopters and motor boats which is insufficient for supplying the fuel they need plus take out the wounded;

    – John Pershing: “Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars”; Ukraine has managed to cut off a large group of the Russian troops from the logistics and now they can slowly “stomp them out”, the means for that are available;

    Vatniks admit the shortage of drones such as Orion; Yakovina mentions that Russians have issues hitting moving targets; they can hit large strategic targets with rockets but cannot hit smaller, moving targets (and Himars moves around a lot); Iranian drones apparently break easily;

    – The return of the Bayraktar. There are now small gaps in the Russian air defenses so Bayraktar would no longer be hit down, and they can flow into these holes and hit Russian equipment; if the drone manages to hit several targets, that makes the efficiency very high;

    – Conclusion: is Russia ready for another good will gesture? Putin has said to hold on to Kherson at whatever cost (it has an enormous political meaning). Apparently Putin wants to reshuffle the top military leadership and, according to Yakovina, this is telling because this would mean admitting that the operation is not going ideally and this could have significant political repercussions.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  351. @Beckow

    Large pro-common sense demos in Prague and Colon show that the people are fed up by suicidal policies of their compradore governments that sacrifice their own countries for the sake of imperial puppets in Kiev. In general, they demand that their countries follow the American first rule of holes: when you are in one, stop digging.

    But the people do not want to understand that even if they bring to power patriotic common sense government, the situation won’t return to pre-2022. Their governments have already dug deep holes. Even if they stop digging, their countries would have a tough job getting out of them. Russia won’t ever again subsidize European wellbeing by supplying cheap oil and NG. Those days are over. What’s more, their current governments destroyed Russian good will. Even with the most sensible government that acts neutral and stops supporting imperial puppets politically and materially this good will won’t come back even in five years. The process would likely take 15-20 years. Besides, it is highly unlikely that the empire would tolerate a sensible government in any of its vassals (although the example of Orban suggests that it might have no other choice).

    We’ll see how the situation develops. Let the Europeans decide whether they are prepared to lose everything they gained in the last 3-4 centuries for the interests of the entity that does not give a hoot about them, seeing them as stupid tools with no worth after use, just like Ukrainian aborigines.

    • Replies: @Matra
  352. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    The real strawman was Putler himself. There was no real threat of Ukraine becoming a NATO member before 2/24/22, as everybody knows. Certainly, Putler could have come up with less odious measures to let Ukraine know of his displeasure with any such occurrence from happening. The real reasons for this war are wrapped up within Putler’s Ukrainophobic psyche. I really believe that he believes that Ukraine is not a country and that Ukrainians are really Russians – don’t you too?

    Are these sacrifices worth banning the Russian language and placing the Nato bases in Ukraine? You need to answer that question and not deceive with empty slogans. And if you think it is worth it, why aren’t you there charging into Russian artillery?

    I think that there is plenty of room for Russian speakers already to study and use their own language within Ukraine. A for NATO involvement, if that’s the will of the Ukrainian people, then so be it. It’s not a matter for Russia to resolve. How about you? You’re here at this website 24/7 espousing an opinion that advocates more Russian language rights in Ukraine and no NATO involvement. I can assure you that you’re much younger than I am. If you state that you’re not Ukrainian and this is not your fight to conduct, then why do you devote so much of your time discussing Ukrainian issues? Are you some kind of a paid Russian troll paid to monitor this blogsite and reflect a pro-Russian view at least 10 times every single day? If not, then you’re a really weird sort of guy with nothing better to do with your family and free time? Seriously!

    • Replies: @Beckow
  353. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    Sure, that’s tragic, but it’s still funny insofar as it exposes the contradictions of progressive ideology. And if it had happened to me, it would be a minor news item at most.

    It does expose these contradictions (one cannot go against Nature and get away with it for too long) and, sure, the reporting of these types of crimes in Western Europe is inaccurate (and even dishonest).

    However, you or any other normal German man (under the age of, let’s say, 55 or 60) would probably not have become a casualty in the first place in such an attack. Real men are taller, more robust yet agile, with better shoulders and with heavier skulls than the so called trans “men” so most likely would survive such an assault (unless the invader pulled a cold weapon which they sometimes like to do). In fact, a third world invader may not even choose to assault a real man in the first place, since he would not inspire the kind of contempt that these foreigners from more traditional societies feel for the trans and because real men simply have a more dominant presence.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  354. Matra says:

    Video from GermanReader’s favourite Twitter account. There’s also one circulating from the point of view of the Russian. Meanwhile this Russian woman who has a sizeable Telegram account has been doxxed. She lives in Landshut, Germany and no, she’s not an accountant, she’s apparently unemployed. I think people are preoccupied with stuff like this in part because we don’t know what is really happening on the ground in Ukraine. Both sides (including Western media) are lying about everything making it difficult to follow the war itself.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  355. @songbird

    BTW, I believe there is a certain theory that Japanese appreciation of Germans started through their meeting German POWs in WWI.

    It was much earlier, and increased after 1870:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulenburg_expedition

    It was striking the difference of Western reaction to China and Japan:

    1. The Japanese quickly learned to play by rules of West, which is more or less “might is right” but also abiding by signed treaties.

    The Chinese had the “Middle Kingdom” mindset and for better or worse, played by its own rules, disregarding treaties and private property law. If you look the root cause of the First Second Opium Wars, Eight Nation Alliance, it was all due to similar things. It is still this day with Zero-Covid.

    2. There was no Opium War with Japan because the Japanese didn’t get hooked on opium. The Japanese had a warrior culture and did things like this,

    Fukushima, who spoke 10 languages fluently, was a popular figure in German society during his stay in Berlin. Fukushima made a reputation during his stay in Berlin, for winning all manner of wagers involving feats of arms or physical strength. He later claimed that the reason for his long ride across Russia was a wager made over drinks against some German cavalry majors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Yasumasa

    • Replies: @songbird
  356. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    However, you or any other normal German man (under the age of, let’s say, 55 or 60) would probably not have become a casualty in the first place in such an attack.

    No, there definitely have been cases of German men in their 20s, 30s or early 40s being punched with deadly consequences by underclass Turks or Arabs, for absurdly trivial reasons of the “What you looking at me like that” kind. I can’t claim to ever have encountered such a situation myself, but it’s something that happens occasionally. And sometimes the punishment is very light, I remember one case a few years ago where the offender (who had punched a family father just for fun, killing him) wasn’t even sent to prison, but just got a few years on probation. I doubt that Nuradin A. (weird name btw, I suppose it indicates some hardline Islamic background, is he named after the emir Nur ad-Din?) will be that lucky though, the media attention and pressure by the LGBTQI+ lobby will influence the judges.

    • Replies: @LatW
  357. Matra says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Large pro-common sense demos in Prague and Colon show that the people are fed up by suicidal policies of their compradore governments that sacrifice their own countries for the sake of imperial puppets in Kiev

    I’m not so sure you can take for granted that the Czech protestors have a problem with their government’s pro-Ukraine stance. Czechs are furious with the corruption of their government and its alleged lack of effort to come up with a solution to the energy crisis. The Czechs actually export electricity but strangely it is sold in Germany back to Czechia at a high price. It sounds like a ridiculous situation. Also, despite their embargo on Russian gas the Czech government is buying gas from Germany and guess where they get theirs from? lol. Europe is one big clown show at the moment.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  358. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    There are more than enough Russians who talk about “dismembering” Ukraine.

    That is a meaningless metric, there are more than enough Westerners (and Ukies) who talk about dismembering Russia. People talk, what matters is the official stand.

    how extreme Russia’s official goals are…something relatively reasonable like Ukrainian neutrality, recognition of Crimea, annexation of pro-Russian parts of Donbass…or something much more ambitious.

    The official stated goals are reasonable, but I agree that we don’t know. The only way to test it is to offer a reasonable compromise – if Russia turns it down, you have just called their bluff. Kiev had endless opportunities to do it – even after the war started. They refused, or their Western handlers told them to refuse.

    This is actually very simple: give the Russians in Ukraine normal ‘European-like’ rights: schools, language, political representation, some autonomy. Stop the expansion of Nato to Ukraine, Austria is neutral and happy. If Russia at that point still continues the war, then you would have something. But I think it would end the war. It is a reasonable deal – I also don’t think Kiev can fight its way to a better one.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AnonfromTN
  359. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    Of course, these invaders have poor impulse control and grudges and what not and, afaik, do get away lightly. One must be prepared to face them. But the LGBT, too, need to learn a lesson here not to live in their fantasies (not that violence against them is excusable).

    Nuradin does not sound like a Chechen name, he might be a Georgian Kist (there is a strong Salafi following among them).

    • Replies: @Yahya
  360. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    People talk, what matters is the official stand.

    It seems to me though that Putin himself has at least alluded to this idea that Ukrainians are an invented nationality which was created by Russia’s enemies to weaken the Russian world. There seems to be a deliberate ambiguity about Russia’s goals and how extensive they really are.

    They refused, or their Western handlers told them to refuse.

    There’s this claim that this despicable buffoon Johnson torpedoed peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia in April which were already quite advanced. Hard to be sure about that of course, maybe it’s disinformation, but if true it raises some pretty disturbing questions.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  361. @LatW

    imho, Kherson city itself is still not the goal at this stage, maybe a bonus if all goes super right, but the main UA effort before autum rains looks like minimizing potential offensive RF capability to threaten both Nikolaev and Krivoy Rog directions – latest confirmed UA sucessfully recaptured town is Vysokopole which under RF was hanging as potential spearhead point to Krivoy Rog city.

    • Replies: @LatW
  362. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    If you look for ambiguity and allusions you will find them on all sides. Just look at the ambiguity of “Ukraine in Nato” – Kiev is in, then it is a fantasy, then bases are built, and when the war starts “what us? no way, we were just f..ing with Kiev…

    The only way to get clarity – since in wars all sides by necessity lie – is to force it. Offer or accept something and see what the other side does. It is not BoJo’s sabotage, that was a very minor event. It is 8+ years of refusing to negotiate with Russia about things that are of great importance to Russia: security and its own people and their basic human rights. There is nothing more important to a country – to refuse to negotiate was criminal. Now Kiev is paying a high price.

  363. LatW says:
    @sudden death

    Right. Putting the Russian forces in a defensive position and denying them the ability to advance at all is already an achievement.

    • LOL: LondonBob
  364. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    …There was no real threat of Ukraine becoming a NATO member before 2/24/22, as everybody knows.

    Nonsense. It was very clear that Ukraine was on its way to Nato: it was announced every year, bases were starting to be built (Berdiansk, Ochakov), it was in Kiev Constitution. You cannot be that dense, so you are being very dishonest.

    Then you embark on your usual ad hominem attacks since you lost the argument. Ukraine is our neighbor, I have a lot more daily connections with them than you do. No point in engaging with ad hominem bs. Get some sleep, the next few months could be tough for you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  365. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    You are right that Ukraine was on a clearer path to NATO membership than I first stated. You encouraged me to review the history closer, which is good, but as I’ve already stated “As for NATO involvement, if that’s the will of the Ukrainian people, then so be it. It’s not a matter for Russia to resolve.”

    As for “ad hominem attacks” let me remind you that it was you who first tried to attack my person by somehow trying to insist that I was somehow a hypocrite by not being on the front lines of the war. That I question your 24/7 continued propagandizing efforts here is not a side issue, but a real honest attempt to ascertain your motives. I don’t see very many other young Slovak family men who have this overwhelming fascination with all things Ukrainian as you do. I find it to be very strange and unbelievable. It would make a lot more sense to believe that you’re actually a paid Russian troll who receives remuneration for his activities at this blog. At the very least, I think that it’s a distinct possibility.

  366. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    As for NATO involvement, if that’s the will of the Ukrainian people, then so be it. It’s not a matter for Russia to resolve.”

    Ok, then how about “it is for people of Quebec to decide if they want to join China or Russia in a military alliance”. Or for Cuba, or Mexico. US has no say in it. Would you agree? Or are your rules only for others but not for your side. How about Ireland or Scotland forming a military alliance with Russia and building bases together? But you know that what you say is not how the world is. Or do you? I am sometimes not sure. US education seems to completely suppress the ability to think critically and objectively.

    Most important, Ukraine in Nato automatically means a war with Russia sooner or later, if Kiev cannot win that war what you call “the will of Ukrainian people” is of no consequence.

    Ukraine war is a big issue in both Czechia and Slovakia – check out the huge demo in Prague yesterday that was about it. It touches on everything and is endlessly discussed – from all sides. At this point about half a million Ukies live here, most concentrated in big cities. We all have neighbors, employees, and others from Ukraine. Subcarpathia was a part of Czecho-Slovakia until 1945, there are endless family links. It is definitely a lot closer to us than to you in Phoenix. Or people in Washington or Brussels. Learn it.

  367. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I don’t see very many other young Slovak family men who have this overwhelming fascination with all things Ukrainian as you do.

    Beckow can defend himself, but there are good reasons for Slovaks to be concerned about the effects of the Ukrainian war on their country:

    [MORE]

  368. @Matra

    Europe is one big clown show at the moment.

    That’s true. Let them. They are punishing their own countries.

    I should have mentioned that every cloud has silver lining. Europeans should look at the bright side. As living standards plunge, Europe will become less and less attractive to immigrants. Some people on this site should rejoice.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  369. @Beckow

    Austria is neutral and happy.

    That should be in the past tense. Neither Austria, nor Switzerland is neutral any longer. Their neutrality ended the moment they joined anti-Russian sanctions. Sic transit Gloria mundi.

  370. @AnonfromTN

    As living standards plunge, Europe will become less and less attractive to immigrants. Some people on this site should rejoice.

    It is the relative prosperity which is applicable.

    To take this effect will require ten centuries of decline. They are adjacent to a shithole continent.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  371. @Emil Nikola Richard

    They are adjacent to a shithole continent.

    I am sure Africans would still move to Europe. But Indians, Pakis, Middle Easterners, and many Asians (real Asians, not those Brits call “Asians”) will move elsewhere or stay put.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  372. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I think Hollywood/Chinese co-productions, might be a lens to understand how modern Hollywood functions.

    [MORE]

    Firstly, there’s a lot of desire to get into the Chinese market. 1.4 billion people. An even bigger box office market than North America. But what is the result of all this greed? Mostly very superficial, shoe-horned efforts. Little that is even a serious attempt at building diplomatic or cultural bridges, with one of those “The Wall”, derided on this side for “white saviorism.” (I think unfairly).

    If the Chinese, with all their numbers and heft, can’t get much that is a good product out of it, what hope is there for the rest of us, with less numbers and heft, in the current multicult mindset for film?

    Also, I think it is very amusing to consider how many elites worry and hold hearings about the potential security issues of the CCP gaining influence, through this process of making coproductions.

    If it is true that there is a danger created in American or Western culture, through this process, then it stands to reason that there is a much more serious danger from having a cultural center be led by alien elites, or from it being co-opted by a growing alliance of migrant groups.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  373. songbird says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Well, I’m not sure the real explanation is the POWs from WWI, but the theory has a logical flow to it, and contains an element of romance.

    There were around 4600 POWs from Germany and Austria in Japan during WWI. They weren’t all Germans, but most were. The greatest group of Euro foreigners in Japan up through that time?

    They held music and art expositions in different Japanese cities, and tens of thousands of Japanese heard them play music (some pieces never performed in Japan before) or saw their artwork.

    The idea that these lonely men, tragically held in captivity, and without purpose, had some positive diplomatic or cultural influence certainly has a romantic element. It is a good story, whether or not it is true.

  374. Yahya says:
    @LatW

    Of course, these invaders have poor impulse control and grudges and what not

    Latvia had EU’s highest homicide rate in 2019

    https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/crime/latvia-had-eus-highest-homicide-rate-in-2019.a422104/

    • Replies: @LatW
  375. Wokechoke says:

    by Spring the EU will probably dissolve.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  376. Yahya says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I am sure Africans would still move to Europe. But Indians, Pakis, Middle Easterners, and many Asians (real Asians, not those Brits call “Asians”) will move elsewhere or stay put.

    Most Indians, Pakis, Middle Easterners and Africans stay put already. There is something like 3 billion people in these places, and only 25 million or so of them moved into Europe – in percentage terms that would amount to 0.8%.

    The real problem for Europe is the fertility deferential between immigrants and natives.

    • Disagree: S
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @S
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  377. songbird says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Impressive. Almost want to buy one and leave it in a field somewhere together with some hooves for Halloween.

    • Replies: @A123
  378. LatW says:
    @Yahya

    Yah, are you able to differentiate between different EU states? Our Slavic criminals have poor impulse control, and so do the new immigrants in Western Europe (who are Middle Eastern and African mostly). Those are two different things.

    My point was more about how our men have to step up to it and deal with it. They have what it takes. Not sure about the men in Western Europe. But I do believe they do have what it takes, they just need to put their mind to it.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  379. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    What about “Rocky Mountain Oysters”?

    Served with beer. Wait….. No…. It has been added to the beer [MORE]. Oh my….

    You can go never go wrong betting on stupidity!

    PEACE 😇
    __________

     

    [MORE]

    • LOL: songbird
  380. Yahya says:
    @LatW

    Our Slavic criminals have poor impulse control,

    Are the criminals in the Baltics disproportionately Slavic? Interesting.

    new immigrants in Western Europe (who are Middle Eastern and African mostly).

    And Eastern Europeans, who come from countries that are more violent on average than Middle Eastern nations. But I don’t see you or GR pointing out how Germans have to defend themselves against Slavic thugs. I wonder why that is?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    My point was more about how our men have to step up to it and deal with it. They have what it takes. Not sure about the men in Western Europe.

    The point of my post was that you should be more worried about being killed or assaulted than GR, since you live in a far more violent country than Germany. For all the bruhaha about “migrant rapes” and what have you, migrant-full Germany is still far safer than migrant-free Eastern Europe.

    • Disagree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @LatW
    , @awry
  381. @Wokechoke

    by Spring the EU will probably dissolve.

    Good riddance.

  382. @Yahya

    in percentage terms that would amount to 0.8%.

    That’s a good way of looking at it. Likely a greater percentage of Brits moved to Spain.

  383. S says:
    @Yahya

    Most Indians, Pakis, Middle Easterners and Africans stay put already. There is something like 3 billion people in these places, and only 25 million or so of them moved into Europe – in percentage terms that would amount to 0.8%.

    Indians, Pakis, Middle Easterners, and Africans, all once fought against colonization and exploitation by relatively small numbers of Europeans, and rightfully so. They have no excuse to be engaging in exactly the same behaviour they once decried, and should ultimately expect no better treatment than they once gave their own colonizers.

    Some Europeans also tried to rationalize their exploitation of other peoples via colonization, with a wide variety of excuses and rationalizations, just as you are doing.

    However, you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, no matter how hard you try. It can’t be done.

    The real problem for Europe is the fertility deferential between immigrants and natives.

    The real problem for Europe is that the colonists/settlers/supposed ‘refugees’, the latter acting as a flimsy figleaf for all of this, and all called by the euphamism ‘immigrants’, are even there in the first place.

    • Replies: @S
  384. German_reader says:
    @Yahya

    For all the bruhaha about “migrant rapes”

    It has a basis in reality, that’s clear even from the official reports where they go out of their way to emphasize that rates of crimes committed by asylum seekers, illegal immigrants etc. have gone down in recent years. However, sex crimes (ranging from offenses like exhibitionism over molestation to full-on rape) have even slightly increased in 2021, see p. 40 of the report here:
    https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/Lagebilder/KriminalitaetImKontextVonZuwanderung/KriminalitaetImKontextVonZuwanderung_node.html
    Moreover, there’s a marked discrepancy regarding who’s victimizing whom…in 2021 2496 Germans became victims of a sex crime committed by migrants (again, essentially defined here as people who immigrated illegally/applied for asylum), whereas the reverse was true for 120 migrants (p. 22).
    Same discrepancy for other violent crimes.
    Of course Germany is still a fairly safe country and of course one can argue that only a minority of migrants commit serious crimes, but it can hardly be denied that the type of migration seen in recent years has led to a significant number of very ugly incidents.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  385. @Yahya

    Cool, so it is a tiny percentage of their population to take back in when they get sent home. Nice!

    Obviously those in the top 1% of income in Europe can stay, as long as they provide X jobs and don’t vote. That seems straightforward and reasonable and gives adequate respect to the many brilliant people among them.

  386. Dmitry says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Jesus’ teaching is likely influenced by Essenes of the Jordan Valley, who have very similar teaching to Jesus.

    Gospels’ description highly indicated John the Baptist is close to the Essenes, for example with his teaching, location and the more strict diet he has eating only insect products while traveling (he eats only locust and honey).

    But in description of the Gospels, there is less direct evidence Jesus is following the Essene lifestyle.

    One evidence Jesus was not active Essene, is because there are parts of Gospel where he describe to be eating more normal food and perhaps also wine.

    About the more strict diet of Essenes

    John the Baptist’s lifestyle seemed like it was contrasted with Jesus in Luke 7, where it can indicate Jesus drinks wine.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+7&version=ISV

  387. Sean says:
    @Mr. Hack

    “As for NATO involvement, if that’s the will of the Ukrainian people, then so be it. It’s not a matter for Russia to resolve.”

    The Russians took a very different view and they made no secret of it, or the methods they would be willing to employ. The warnings/ threats were unmistakable, and the current head of the CIA said so in his book about his time in Moscow.

    Ukraine was on a clearer path to NATO membership than I first stated

    It was on a path to ‘ceasing to exist’ was what one Russian diplomat said over a decade ago. Unclear why Ukraine thought Russia was bluffing.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  388. Yahya says:
    @German_reader

    In 2021 2496 Germans became victims of a sex crime committed by migrants

    Okay, so ~2,500 Germans were victims of sex crimes by migrants. There are approx. 80 million Germans give or take. If we compute the following:

    2500 / 80,000,000 = 0.00003125

    We get 0.003125% of Germans being sexually assaulted or raped by migrants in 2021.

    The horror! German women really need to start beefing up and taking martial arts classes, or at least carry a weapon with them at all times. They could be raped by a migrant any day now.

    All kidding aside, this is the problem with highlighting the crime angle when arguing with a statistically-minded person. Computing out the crime rates will almost invariably show the insignificance of sex crimes, given their improbable and infrequent nature.

    I’m not saying you shouldn’t be doing it; after all highlighting “gang rapes” and the vivid images they create is probably the most effective for propaganda purposes; much more so than HBD, which remains obscure to most people and will probably get you labeled a racist anyway. But on a rational level, I think HBD and/or cultural arguments against migration are more important than the minuscule number of sex crimes committed by migrants, which may be unfortunate to the victims, but are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

    The “Po­lice Crime Statis­tics 2021” report (English version) from the site you gave me show there were a total of 9,903 incidents of rape and sexual assault in Germany in 2021, which means 75% of sex crimes were committed by non-migrant Germans. German women have more to fear from natives than immigrants.

    a minority of migrants commit serious crimes

    Minority is an understatement. Probably something more like 1-3% of migrants commit serious crimes.

  389. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    difference seems to be that these companies are still very orientated towards trade and commerce

    Perhaps the competition is still too active to allow such a church to form. Although Google could almost become like a church, because they derive income so easily with almost the monopoly in an important intermediary for information.

    With less limits of competition for their income, they have a lot of funding for non-profitable goals, some things which are not-material and that can seem more messianic.

    If they had more of monopoly power, those cultic companies like Tesla and Apple can almost become like technology religions within a few decades. Imagine if Musk can attain entrance of a Tesla robot into everyone’s home.

    If you visit HQs and offices (often called “campus”) of some of the larger companies, they have some of this already feeling of a religious community including with the architecture and the obsession with communalism in the work space. They have are going somewhere like being university and but also older monastic communities which had evolved to universities.

    I haven’t been to the Apple Park campus. But you can see in the videos they have somethings especially there which could remind you of a Catholic almost Vatican complex for their staff.

  390. Dmitry says:

    If anyone is interested about sanctions in Russia.

    It’s possible in Russia for people to still buy anything which is sanctioned like computer parts. But many consumers of this kind of equipment become dependent on buying from Chinese sellers on Aliexpress.

    So, the prices are inflated by the intermediary sellers in China. For example, if you look in Aliexpress you can buy the 12900K for \$830
    https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005003515802037.html

    In America, it’s around \$550 for this CPU and you would also have a bit less risks with your seller, more warranty.

  391. S says:
    @S

    I don’t know which is worse, ie being completely disregarded, even hated, by one’s own supposed elites and their hangers on, or, being ‘cared’ about by the same, and being seen by them as slaves/breeding stock as the ‘immigrants’ are.

    A person should realize, the very same types involved in wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’) today were once involved in chattel slavery and its trade, in each instance at their own people’s very great expense, and just as they had their enablers/collaborators then, they do so today, some of whom smugly regularly visit these very threads.

    What the ‘mass immigration’ thing has always been about in reality, ie divide and conquer, divide and rule, a perverse form of ‘people power’, as succinctly described on pg 4 of a 2003 academic paper which I’ve excerpted and linked below:

    ‘..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier’ (periphery); and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’

    https://www.academia.edu/2116622/Between_urban_and_national_45_Political_mobilization_among_46_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_4847_towns_

    Elaborating further, the below is a description of the economic and political basis of the modern progressive multi-cultural state, a state which, with its wage slave ‘immigrant’ (aka so called ‘cheap labor’) as it’s economic centerpiece, closely parallels in many ways the Anglosphere chattel slave holding society it directly evolved from, with it’s chattel slave as it’s economic centerpiece.

    To best sum it up, in accordance with the tenets of Capitalism, with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery (ie specifically, the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system) within Anglosphere countries, chattel slavery and it’s trade was monetized rather than having been abolished.

    From a financial point of view (and this has always ever only been about money) the immigrant is the slave, for whatever period of time (days, weeks, months, years) he or she is paid significantly below* what was, or, what would of been, the prevailing real time local rates for the labor, without the immigration taking place, or, the ‘immigrant’, being present.

    Readily built into this system, should anyone get uppity about suffering under it, is a divide and conquer, divide and rule strategy for corrupt elites and hangers on to utilize.

    Historically, people involved in genocidal slavery (both chattel and wage) in an attempt to rationalize what they are doing, have cynically attempted to make the claim that they are materially improving the lives of their slaves, and misguidedly, and, or, perhaps due to Stockholm Syndrome, some of their slaves have even agreed with them.

    Of course, these self serving claims made by predatory and amoral individuals in no way change the gross immorality of what is being done, or, the ultimate resulting destructiveness of this practice to all involved, including to the unenlightened and short sighted slavers themselves.

    Slavery is correctly called a ‘scourge upon mankind’ and should not be tolerated in any form, whether it be manifesting as chattel and, or, it’s more malignant and destructive manifestation, wage slavery, the latter often called by a euphemism and term of propaganda, ie so called ‘cheap labor’.

    * For instance, Chinese ‘imported’ by diktat into California in the 1870’s were often being paid only about a third what everyone else was being paid for the same labor.

    • Replies: @S
  392. Dmitry says:
    @Yahya

    The question for the politicians who might think about relation of crime and immigration should be on the marginal decision. There cost/benefit for increase in crime could be very significant cost for having more filtered or less filtered immigration, even if the overall crime will not be especially apocalyptic.

    This is especially relevant for crimes like terrorism which have more dynamic effects. Think about how damage from terrorism in countries like France or USA can negatively change long-term a country in terms of civil liberties, external policy or even something like economy.

    For decision making, you don’t need to look at the overall levels, but you would look at marginal changes. So, if the marginal change increases crime or reduces crime for the particular immigration policy.

    Although of course it is true, when Fox News is making video reports about how terrible and dangerous life is in Germany, because they had more immigration, then this is where they enter the nonsense. Whether you think Germany’s immigration choice is bad for crime, in overall sense it still seems internationally safe from crime there, which is when you look at something which might be more accurate for cross-country* comparison like murder rate. **

    *Fox News has reports about how Sweden is the rape center of the world. But the reason is because different reporting method for this kind of crime in Sweden compared to the other countries, not because the rate of rape is higher in Sweden. Sweden counts rape differently to most countries. For example, Sweden counts discrete incidents, while most countries do not. Likely Sweden is one of the lower level in the world if you compared using the same reporting methodology.

    ** i.e. if immigration should be more filtered from the crime perspective or not, Germany and Sweden still will be safe countries in the relation to murder overall by the world comparison. This is where with those Fox News kind of reports are misleading some of their viewers.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  393. German_reader says:
    @Yahya

    The “Po­lice Crime Statis­tics 2021” report (English version) from the site you gave me show there were a total of 9,903 incidents of rape and sexual assault in Germany in 2021, which means 75% of sex crimes were committed by non-migrant Germans.

    I don’t think you can calculate it like that, as I wrote in my previous comment “migrant” in the report I cited has a rather specific meaning, it’s essentially limited to people who’ve come as refugees, applied for asylum etc. It doesn’t include resident non-citizens with some other legal status. And you can look on p. 38 of the report I cited in my previous comment: there the number of sex crimes in 2021 is given as 90 362, of which 6906 (7,6%) were committed by “migrants”. Again, in this context this means recent refugees, it doesn’t refer to all foreigners in Germany, let alone German citizens with migration background, so it indicates an over-representation of this group (and presumably that over-representation would be even starker if you looked at specific subsets of “migrants”, like young Maghrebi or African men).
    Anyway, that over-representation in crime (not just sex crimes) is just one argument against refugee immigration of the kind Germany has had in recent years, there just isn’t any real positive benefit from it (even economically it’s mostly a burden), so the only remaining argument in favour of it is humanitarian obligation, and imo there should be limits to that as well. However, I don’t really feel like having a long discussion about it, I wrote more about it a few years ago and nothing has really changed since then.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    , @Dmitry
  394. Yahya says:
    @Dmitry

    The question for the politicians who might think about relation of crime and immigration should be on the marginal decision.

    Yes good point. But when your dealing with a phenomena that only directly affects a minuscule percentage of the population, such as sex crimes, does it matter if the rate goes from 0.0031% to 0.0032%? That’s what all this fuss about migrant rape amounts to. It’s more emotional than rational. If there are indirect costs such as curtailment of civil liberties, then news media is to blame for making molehills out of mountains.

    My original post was meant to counter LatW’s silly suggestion that Germans needed to start “preparing to face them” (implicit suggesting it was Muslim migrants they needed to prepare against); as if Germany was now a crime-ridden apocalyptic zone where people can be beaten or raped anytime they step outside. Meanwhile his native Latvia, which remains blissfully free from Muslims, is still orders of magnitudes more dangerous than Germany, which was the point of my chart.

    Either way, the chances of being assaulted, raped or murdered by Muslims is exceedingly low. There are good arguments to be made against Muslim immigration (or ‘colonization’ as that passive-aggressive commentor ‘S’ would want me to put it), but crime is not one of them.

    Interesting that crime in Germany and Sweden today is lower than it was 25 years ago.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @Dmitry
  395. Yahya says:
    @German_reader

    And you can look on p. 38 of the report I cited in my previous comment:

    I can’t read German. This English version report says there were 9,903 total cases of “rape, sexual coercion and sexual assault” in 2021. Apparently your German version says there were 90,362 incidents. Which one is correct?

    https://www.bka.de/EN/CurrentInformation/Statistics/PoliceCrimeStatistics/policecrimestatistics_node.html

    of which 6906 (7,6%) were committed by “migrants”.

    In the previous comment you gave a figure of 2,496 cases of sex crimes committed by migrants. That’s the number I used. To quote you directly:

    Moreover, there’s a marked discrepancy regarding who’s victimizing whom…in 2021 2496 Germans became victims of a sex crime committed by migrants (again, essentially defined here as people who immigrated illegally/applied for asylum),

    Now you are saying there were 6906 cases committed by migrants.

    At any rate both of these figures are miniscule. There are roughly 1.5 million refugees and asylum seekers in Germany; meaning 0.46% of them committed a sex crime in 2021.

    The percentage of Germans who were raped/assaulted by refugees and asylum seekers is 0.0086325%.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  396. S says:
    @S

    Just an observation.

    It’s a funny thing (well, not so funny) how once a person has been compromised by marrying outside of their ethnicity or race, or, becoming an immigrant, how suddenly they become advocates of the ideology of ‘cheap labor’ and institutionalized division known as Multi-Culturalism. Well, at least where they happen to be immediately residing, irregardless of what the people already there wanted.

    They often don’t want that same Multi-Culturalism for their own country of origin as they know it will utterly destroy it. In other words, they want their cake and to eat it to. [And, even in the much rarer cases where they want Multi-Culturalism for their homeland as well, in a totalitarian manner, they won’t allow for anyone else anywhere to maintain their homogeneity or identity.]

    For that reason, being in the US, I’d not expect as a matter of course for any European country to take me. Only at their discretion, and without being pressured. I accept that while there are real similarities, there are also real and significant differences amongst European peoples, some ‘good’, and some not so good. I take the whole of it.

    It’s the same between individuals and it is no wise ‘hate’ to make that simple observation. Otherwise, it just adds to the madness.

    I also accept and respect that the Anglosphere countries, including the US, have an Anglo-Saxon basis, and I’m compromised there due to my European immigrant background. If they, Anglo-Saxons, against the odds, regain their rightful sovereignty, and don’t wish me here, or, anywhere else within the Anglosphere, so be it. [I say this with the caveat that if I had been running things in North America, which of course I wasn’t, I would have been far stricter about honoring the treaties and there would have been no ‘Manifest Destiny’.]

    To think or do otherwise just makes a person a tool for never ending division.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  397. Yevardian says:
    @Yahya

    Computing out the crime rates will almost invariably show the insignificance of sex crimes, given their improbable and infrequent nature

    Now you’re sounding like certain talking heads trying to make criminals into the real victims.
    It should be obvious to anyone who’s lived around, or knew anyone who’s been subject real crime that it seriously can disrupt your life in a ripple that effects everyone around. Only a proportionately tiny amount of crime is needed to completely destroy the property value of a neighborhood or ruin societal trust, permanently. People who have no experience of violence or abuse have no right to mitigate the seriousness of it flying around statistics. Particularly for women, their ability to live a happy or successful life or have a functional relationship can be ruined for life.

    Any first generation immigrant caught with violent or sexual crimes should be deported, along with their immediate family, immediately. No exceptions.

    • Replies: @Yahya
  398. Yahya says:
    @Yevardian

    Now you’re sounding like certain talking heads trying to make criminals into the real victims.

    No I’m not.

    People who have no experience of violence or abuse have no right to mitigate the seriousness of it flying around statistics.

    We have every right to put things in proportion; since the miniscule number of sexual crimes committed by migrants is being used as justification to deny refuge to millions of refugees; or in some cases to advocate for their expulsion.

    Just as the minimal number of victims of 9/11 was used to justify a full-scale invasion of Iraq, resulting in magnitudes more death and destruction. When people start bringing up individual stories to justify harsh counter-measures, the rational and moral thing to do is put things in perspective by bringing up statistics. It sounds callous and uncaring to the victims; but it’s the moral thing nonetheless.

    You defended Stalin in your reply to me by pointing out the necessity of rapid industrialization for geo-political purposes. That may have been a reasonable argument to make. But imagine what your argument would have sounded like to someone whose family members were victims of Stalin’s famines.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Yevardian
  399. German_reader says:
    @Yahya

    Apparently your German version says there were 90,362 incidents.

    I think that number refers to all categories of “offences against sexual self-determination”.

    In the previous comment you gave a figure of 2,496 cases of sex crimes committed by migrants.

    That’s the number of cases with a German victim (iirc there are around 520 cases with a migrant as a victim, I don’t know about the rest of the cases, and tbh I don’t care to find out how exactly they calculated those numbers).
    Anyway, the point is quite simply that these crimes (and it’s not just sex crimes) wouldn’t have happened with a more restrictive immigration/asylum policy, they’re one element of a whole set of negative consequences. And since the proponents of that policy essentially want to continue it indefinitely, there’s likely to be many more such preventable incidents.
    I don’t really have more to say on the issue.

  400. German_reader says:
    @Yahya

    We have every right to put things in proportion; since the miniscule number of sexual crimes committed by migrants is being used as justification to deny refuge to millions of refugees; or in some cases to advocate for their expulsion.

    That’s pretty much the standard open borders argument where the interests of refugees (real or alleged) are supposed to automatically take precedence over all other considerations. With that type of argument you can dismiss all arguments against refugee mass immigration, not just a rise in crime, but also the economic consequences, and the massive changes in the cultural and ethnic composition of the receiving countries, because even weighing the costs of alleged humanitarian obligations is framed as immoral.
    Since the supply of refugees will be more or less infinite this century (there’s already talk of “climate refugees” after all), that approach is bound to be self-destructive to any society that adopts it. A society that automatically prioritizes the interests of foreigners (a different thing from trying not to harm others or giving assistance in a way that minimizes negative consequences to oneself), no matter the costs to itself, has no future.

    • Agree: LondonBob, A123, S, Beckow, LatW
  401. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    There is maybe another issue raised by the case you mentioned; the current tendencies in the intersectional left to ignore/deny any contradictions between promoting mass migration, protecting Islamic identities and LGBTQI rights as being the creation (and responsibility of) straight white men who feel that their power is being threatened.

    There is also some related tendency in Intersectionality, when white groups become the victims of crime by immigrant or ethnic minority groups to see it as an educational opportunity for the majority white community, and something for which this majority is ultimately responsible. (I suppose the reasoning is that the non-woke and heteronormative subjected others to horrors of colonial rule, so they should get a taste of the same thing and learn the evils of whiteness. It is supposed to make for a better, more equal world.)

    A more pragmatic short term concern is community cohesion, that minorities might be at risk from the majority group if knowledge of criminal acts by migrants and minorities emerges. (May be some justification in this.)

    Imo, Intersectionality has some characteristics of an irrationalist political movement, focused on group identity, emotion and instinct, and it is growing in influence among progressives in some Western societies. At the same time as there seems to be a commitment not just not to limit immigration, but to increase it with a lower level of filtering. Things like differential birth rates and demographic change in favour of ethnic minorities already present in the country don’t seem to be topics there is much discussion about, literally apart from how the children might suffer from racism or disadvantage on the part of whites and the culture of legacy white institutions.

    Not impossible, if these tendencies continue and mature that in the future (2030s?), there will be some serious political conflict in some Western countries.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
  402. @Yahya

    Minority is an understatement. Probably something more like 1-3% of migrants commit serious crimes.

    100% of them talk funny and look funny and smell funny.

    If they stay the f— away nobody complains.

  403. A123 says: • Website

    (there’s already talk of “climate refugees” after all), that approach is bound to be self-destructive to any society that adopts it.

    “Energy refugees” are impending and soon after that there will be “food refugees”.

    Those who want __________ for selfish reasons can always gin up a “cause”. This is how SJW Globalism works. Emotion and dogma are more important than science and practicality. Those who resist the dogma must be “cancelled” for the greater good.

    A society that automatically prioritizes the interests of foreigners (a different thing from trying not to harm others or giving assistance in a way that minimizes negative consequences to oneself), no matter the costs to itself, has no future.

    You are 100% correct. Flooding a country with refugees incapable of assimilation is guaranteed to fail. It is a terrible choice for native citizens and the new under class.
    ____

    A practical solution for the EU and UK is a “Stay in Africa” program. All asylum and refugee claimants are sent to a safe zone in Northern Africa for processing regardless of where they enter Europe.

    It is a win-win situation:

    — While the claims process is underway, refugees and asylum seekers can safely stay among other claimants with similar religious and cultural values.
    — There will be a few genuine asylum seekers that make a successful claims. They will be able to proceed to a host country in Europe that volunteers to take them.
    — The vast number of refugees can be protected there until they can return home. Or, permanently relocate to a religious and culturally compatible nation.

    Only followers of WEF ideology would object to this practical, moral, effective, and humane option. MegaCorporations would not obtain their flood of cheap labour.

    PEACE 😇

  404. Wokechoke says:
    @S

    Anglo Saxon societies have a unique in group and out group mentality. Emmanuel Todd looked closely at it. There’s a weak family structure and very rarely extended family units with grandparents living with the son and grandchild. Sons get sent away to boarding schools or to apprentice. Wills can be capriciously awarded to one favoured offspring.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @S
    , @S
    , @Yevardian
  405. Wokechoke says:
    @Matra

    Some timely reporting would help to avoid these silly antics and neurotic obsessions.

  406. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    #412 was a reply to your post #409. I am not sure why it did not thread properly, and I did not catch it in the 5 minute edit window.

    PEACE 😇

  407. @Mr. Hack

    You and other people here are incapable of comprehending the true nature of the Ukrainian war. The intention of Ukraine to enter NATO and the Russian language are secondary reasons. The main reason is – revenge!

    Ever since the obtaining of independence the Ukrainian Nazism had been growing with more and more people from various social stratas embracing it with enthusiasm, showing no remorse with relation to the crimes perpetrated in the past.

    Therefore it is clear that the people of Ukraine are the seed of Amalek.

    You should have learned from the past and the historical lessons of the former generations that the Jewish people are not those which are safe to mess with. You should have never let the Banderite Nazi scum be resurrected.

    [MORE]

    And now you will be taught one more time but it will be the last and final lesson, because in the end there will be no Ukraine, no Banderites and the remaining Ukrainians will be cursing them.

    Your wonderful Ukraine will be turned into a dump site of radioactive waste and other toxic and poisonous garbage from Europe. And of course the Ashkenazi billionaires from the United States will own it.

    The Poles will get a small piece of it back and the Ukrainians will consider themselves lucky that they can live in a Polish province and work for the Poles picking cabbages in the fields. As it used to be.

    And the Poles have not forgotten what the Ukrainians did to them either.

    How can such atrocities be forgotten?

    The Poles will be pretending to help – in order to get their land back. Once they get it they will immediately remember everything and change their demeanor diametrically. The Poles are smarter now, they are playing along. And they will get what they want.

    And the Russians will regroup and redirect their economy to the East, become stronger and more independent. The Americans will earn a lot of money on this war, and submit Germany to their will completely.

    The Germans will pay a very high price for their genuine support of the Ukrainian fascism. Everybody can see that a significant number of the current politicians in Germany are descendants of the Nazi generals. They will not be forgiven.

    Never forget, never forgive – one of the most important principles of the Jewish culture.

    You are going to be punished.

    So stop these nonsensical conversations about new weapons from the West and that NATO stands with Ukraine. You will not be given enough weapons to change anything on the battlefield. You will only be given enough to continue fighting so more of you can get killed.

    Without that support the war would not continue long enough, and a lot of the Banderite Nazi scum would remain alive, and therefore the war will continue for another two or three years, until most of them will be put six feet under.

    Deut. 25:19 – Wipe out the descendants of Amalek

    “Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget.”

    Слава Україні!

  408. A123 says: • Website

    Here are several good resources documenting negative migration impact on Europe and Germany (1) (2)

    • This multicultural volcano is not a threat only in the distant future of Europe; it is already in place. The big question is: why is it not stopped?

    • This transformation is the single most important event in Europe. That anyone who reports about it is accused of “racism” and “Islamophobia” suggests that it is a secret too huge and important to be freely discussed.

    “If Europe does not regain control, Islamized mini-states could soon appear”. The prediction comes from the Russian political scientist Sergei Markov. In an interview published by Lenta.ru, Markov notes that European institutions are adapting to the Islamic way of life, values ​​and traditions (the recent campaigns of the Council of Europe in favor of the Muslim veil is an example), and adds:

    The most complete picture of Europe’s so-called “no-go zones” was created by the Migration Research Institute of Budapest, linked to the prestigious Mattias Corvinus College, which reported that in Europe there are more than 900 areas of this type. (3)

    Many of the migrants already live on the generosity of European welfare, even as the police, social workers and ambulances do not enter these areas or must be protected when they do. Gangs and organized crime dominate the street, high birth rates guarantee demographic expansion and Islamic sharia law is de facto respected by the inhabitants; butchers are only halal, “mixed” hairdressers disappear, Islamic bookshops proliferate, Jews leave, churches are often converted to mosques and women are pressured to comply with sharia law.

    There is never a valid reason for accepting migrants incapable of assimilation. The formation of violent enclaves can only end badly.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17971/germany-multicultural-suicide

    (2) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18137/europe-multicultural-volcano

    (3) https://www.migraciokutato.hu/en/2018/03/06/by-any-other-name-no-go-zones-rhetoric-and-reality/

  409. Mr. Hack says:
    @Sean

    The Russians took a very different view and they made no secret of it, or the methods they would be willing to employ.

    Counter this sentiment with historic Ukrainian grievances of Russian heavy handedness and today’s unmistakeable Russian attempts at Ukrainian genocide, and we can see why Ukraine was so intent on becoming a part of European political and military structures.

    It was on a path to ‘ceasing to exist’ was what one Russian diplomat said over a decade ago. Unclear why Ukraine thought Russia was bluffing.

    I’m not sure that Ukrainians were doubting that Russia was not bluffing. Overall, the world sees a Ukrainian society resolutely rejecting of Russian political and military goals within Ukraine, even though its already sustained a lot of Russian carnage. It’s as if every civilian death, every hospital and every home destroyed by the Russian military is loudly screaming out for vengeance. There’s no mass defection of Ukrainian support for Ukraine’s efforts to rid its land of these uninvited murdering thieves. Every day on TV, Ukrainian news outlets provide biographies of the young Ukrainian soldiers that have given their lives for the defense of their homeland, no regrets, even though many tears are being shed by the parents. What the world is watching are genuine examples of civic patriotism, something that the cynical world has not seen in a long time. How about you, are you moved by the bravery that the Ukrainian side is showing?

    • Replies: @Sean
  410. Mr. Hack says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Your attempts to throw normal, strong Ukrainian societal sentiments of patriotism under the bridge by posting these few macabre photos of the activities of a very few individuals during the worst moments of a heated war, are feeble attempts indeed. It’s a weak and pathetic attempt on your part to try and depict all Ukrainians as blood crazed maniacs, which isn’t the case. Ukrainians have a proud and well deserved world opinion of themselves as being a very tolerant people. Why don’t you post some photos of your Bolshevik relatives that starved and killed millions of Ukrainians and murdered plenty of others for the flimsiest of pretexts? How many real “Banderite” Nazis really exist in Ukraine today, not ones that are part and parcel of your demented psyche, waiting to jump out from beneath your bed and slit your throat?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  411. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    Not impossible, if these tendencies continue and mature that in the future (2030s?), there will be some serious political conflict in some Western countries.

    Maybe, though I don’t really believe in the white backlash that is supposedly always just around the corner. But I agree with pretty much all of your other points. These identity-based power plays are probably inevitable in the sort of multiethnic and multicultural societies emerging in Western Europe. It’s still bizarre though how intent many progressives seem to be on reinforcing such trends. I can’t say I understand the psychology behind such sentiments (at least when it’s coming from native progressives, the self-interest of activists from migrant communities is more obvious).

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  412. @Here Be Dragon

    Cheering for the NFL is much less anti-social. Season starts Thursday.

    I always root for the Bears but it looks like they will suck this year.

  413. 216 says: • Website

    More RF Anti-Western Third Worldism

    https://tass.com/politics/1482505

    Once again we see an explicit denial of the inviolate rights of the Western peoples to exercise self-determination. RF from the top down shows its total contempt for the Western Right.

    We did not steal, we conquered. And we conquered because we built, better than anyone before or since. Anything else is a justification of envy. And no successful state has been built on a mountain of envy.

    Rhetoric like this ensures that the sanctions will never be lifted. Our self-determination is inviolate, and must be defended against foreign and domestic enemies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Wokechoke
  414. German_reader says:
    @216

    Rhetoric like this ensures that the sanctions will never be lifted.

    lol, as if people like you would decide that. Sanctions are here to stay, but the same Western elites who enacted them will continue with their mass immigration project.
    I wonder where the term “Golden billion” comes from. I remember a television documentary about Solzhenitsyn where he used that term, also in the context of criticism of the West and its relations with the non-Western world (“3rd world”, “Global South” etc.). So Putin seems to tap into some deeper discourse here.
    EDIT: Ah, ok, there’s even a Wiki page on it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_billion

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @German_reader
  415. Wokechoke says:
    @216

    It’s not like the US doesn’t promote the exact same sort of thing against Europeans though.

    • Replies: @216
  416. 216 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    I’m not here bashing the Europeans for the depredations in the US caused by Gunnar Myrdal’s lies. I’m a team player, a concept largely alien from so many.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  417. S says:

    Fitting right in with this thread.

    Liz Truss is the PM of the UK now and all they can talk about is how there will be ‘no White men in the great offices of state.’ What’s disturbing is how many just go right along with it.

    If they’d used guns in earlier times to hamfistedly enforce this type of thing, the people would have no doubt fought back, but presenting it in terms of flowery empty words (ie propaganda), or, perhaps more importantly, simply repeating ‘racist!’ a thousand times, athough it is exactly the same thing as before when they would have rebelled, many simply submit.

    That is disturbing.

    Which begs the question, what exactly is it that the ‘conservatives’ are conserving? How is this ‘conservative’ government all that much different from a ‘liberal’ government? The same question could be asked in the US of course. To ask the question is to already know the answer, ie not a dime’s worth of difference. [The two ends of the Capitalist vs Communist dialectic, and their close derivatives, are simply controlled opposition of each other, and always have been since their origins in the late 18th century.]

    This just demonstrates the utter bankruptcy of the Right vs Left, Conservative vs Liberal, Capitalist vs Communist dialectic. A person can say this while still being a constitutional monarchist or being okay with a republic, albeit with the caveat (at least for myself, and I presume many others) that it is not one that is genocidally chattel or wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) based economically, as the US ‘republic’ has all too often tended to be.

    Liz Truss is expected to become prime minister tomorrow and appoint a Cabinet featuring no white men in the great offices of state for the first time.

    Ms Truss is expected to make long-term ally Kwasi Kwarteng chancellor, with Suella Braverman moving to the Home Office and James Cleverly to the Foreign Office.

    If selected, Mr Kwarteng would be the fourth non-white chancellor in a row, directly following Sajid Javid, Rishi Sunak and Nadhim Zahawi.

    And Ms Braverman would become the third minority home secretary, after Priti Patel and Mr Javid…

    Mr Cleverly, currently the Education Secretary, would become the first ever non-white foreign Secretary.

    But equally as interesting as who will be in the new Government is who will not be in it.

    There is expected to be a clear out of Rishi Sunak and his supporters after a bitter blue-on-blue campaign in which he seems almost certain to be defeated.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11180833/Truss-puts-finishing-touches-diverse-Government-No-place-white-men-great-offices-state.html

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @216
  418. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    It is an all-out war and both sides will use what they can. Western colonialism and its perceptions are a huge weakness that has lied mostly dormant, it is coming out.

    …tap into some deeper discourse

    There are deep discourses that Europe has also unleashed when kow-towing to the Baltic and Polish WW2 revisionism, with no-holds barred Russia-hating rhetoric by some leaders, etc…It is obviously going to work both ways.

    The Golden billion – guilty or not – was in 2020 still unbeatable. Some rumbling to limit the migrant tsunami, some signs of decline, but manageable. The war is a fatal split in the European civilization, third or fourth in the last 100 years. A major part was attacked – and it attacked back. As with the previous intra-Europe wars, it will be the outsiders who benefit. The non-European areas are getting dramatically stronger with this war, not just US and China, but Asia, Middle East, Africa.

    Europe was warned repeatedly not to do this, and yet they did it again. The seemingly minor inability of Germany-France to stand up for their own interests and control Kiev (and resist Washington) is not minor at all. US even said at one point “f..k Europe!“, and still the balls were not found in Europe to be sovereign. Looks like it is too late.

  419. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t have any sympathy for Putin’s Sovok boomer takes, but part of the context is statements like this on the Western side:

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    • Replies: @216
    , @Yevardian
  420. Wokechoke says:
    @216

    Huh, well by Europeans I mean whites living in North America. The US promoted and promotes antiwhite policy.

  421. Wokechoke says:
    @S

    It can’t be a good thing.

  422. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    As with the previous intra-Europe wars, it will be the outsiders who benefit. The non-European areas are getting dramatically stronger with this war, not just US and China, but Asia, Middle East, Africa.

    Unfortunately you’re probably correct about that. Unmitigated disaster…first companies in Germany are shutting down because of the energy costs. EU is completely screwed. We’d need a real statesman to salvage what can still be salvaged, but we’re ruled by infantile ideologues.

  423. 216 says: • Website
    @S

    Braverman seems rhetorically good, but so did Patel before her disastrous reign.

    The embarrassment is that the feckless authoritarian Theresa May was the toughest on immigration, and did the impossible by increasing the party’s support in Scotland.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Philip Owen
  424. Wokechoke says:
    @216

    a nigger will eventually nig. The Tory party might simply hope to leave these jigs holding the bag when the economy implodes this winter.

  425. 216 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    To me there is an additional context. The Western Far-Right largely doesn’t support the crackup of RF in 2022 as it did the crackup of the Warsaw Pact and USSR in 1989.

    The “golden billion” concept is alien to the West, but its cousin the “world systems theory” is well worn in leftist academia. And it’s rare to find a leftist that doesn’t blame Third World impoverishment on the greed of the white man and his honorary Asian Tiger sidekicks.

    It’s a most disturbing trend to me that the overwhelming share of Pro-RF content in the English language is coming from tankies. They may insist on their difference with the anarcho-communists in Antifa, but for the average Rightist its a distinction without a difference. And there is no bigger domestic enemy for our movements than these far-leftists. We face far more damage from the shocktroops than from the intelligence agencies.

    So I am going to engage in some overreaction. I don’t have an ADL or NAACP that defends my interests.

  426. @Beckow

    …inability of Germany-France to stand up for their own interests and control Kiev…

    There needs to be a dislaimer that in beckowite type mental world “EU interest” is equal to “RF interest” and means to be completely dependent on RF energy supply and give away any control of Kiev to Kremlin, i.e. opposite of any real sovereign entity interest in real world.

    • Disagree: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Beckow
  427. S says:
    @Wokechoke

    Anglo Saxon societies have a unique in group and out group mentality.

    I’m presuming you are in England itself (or close by, I won’t ask), but in the states the big thing is that the Anglo-Saxons (A-S) were ‘rugged individuals’, so much so it’s often implied that they didn’t even think of peoplehood generally.

    I think that ‘individualism’ thing is greatly exagerrated in regard to A-S, in both US and UK, and I think they did have a healthy sense of ethnicity. Yes, perhaps some additional individualism in comparison to other Euro peoples, but not the extreme peoplehood harming individualism they push [What was all that ‘racism’ they go on and on about then?]

    Regarding England itself, the phrase is he or she ‘one of us?’ was used for a very long time. I recall reading some account circa 1880 of a young women in London speaking of a youthful looking older man of 60 commenting that this fact gave her ‘great hope for the future prospects of the English race’. I also read a book about an account of the Indian Mutiny (1857?), and this modern author commented how the English in the mid 19th century ‘with astonishing accuracy’ could routinely physically identify other English men and women by simply looking at them, and could readily tell those relative few whom had mixed with Indians [As an aside, I heard a German say the same thing about Germans, which I can’t say either way.]

    So, I think the organic ‘individualism’ thing with the A-S is somewhat exaggerated to the point of extremes, by people with ulterior motives. I’d say the same probably with the French and Russians and their purported organic collectivism.

    Lastly, in that famous 1968 speech of Powell’s, he was right when he spoke (paraphrasing) of a crying historic need for the peoples of the UK to physically (ie racially) define themselves, implying if you don’t, someone else other than yourself likely will, and probably not to your liking.

    Too, true.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  428. German_reader says:
    @sudden death

    The war and its consequences are an absolute disaster for the EU, if it could have been avoided by pressuring Ukraine to implement the Minsk agreements, of course that would have been preferable (probably preferable for Ukraine too btw).
    Dependence on Russian energy obviously is a less than ideal situation, but what’s happening right now is that EU is replacing it with dependence on much more expensive American LNG, this will lead to massive de-industrialization. Being geopolitically completely beholden to the US and its pretensions to global domination isn’t compatible with real sovereignty either. I know Balts literally care about nothing else but fighting Russia, but that isn’t (or at least shouldn’t be) the view in the rest of Europe.

  429. Wokechoke says:
    @S

    I forgot the caveat to my other statement. Anglo-Saxons were up until WW2 a settler people migrating to colonies and expected that process to continue indefinitely. They produced Canada, US, Australia, South Africa, Rhodesia, New Zealand. In places like India a class of Anglos moved to rule not settle.

  430. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    I was expecting Germany and France to stand up for themselves in the context of a fight between the US and Russia in the Ukie steppe. Sorely disappointed by the performance of Shultz and Micron.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @A123
  431. There has been a paradigm shift in Russian World View.

    Better a good neighbour than a distant relative.

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  432. German_reader says:
    @Wokechoke

    There’s not much room for manoeuvre, Russia did blatantly break international law after all, invading a large country like Ukraine and trying to turn it into a satellite state was massive over-reach. There also were genuine war crimes (even if the talk of “genocide” is ridiculous). So a strong reaction was inevitable.
    Ideally all of this should of course have been coupled with some diplomatic iniative, or at least a coherent strategy. Seems though like the core EU is just along for the ride without any real influence, crushed between hostile powers none of whom have our best interests at heart (and that very much includes the Americans).

  433. @German_reader

    The war and its consequences are an absolute disaster for the EU

    It’s not the war and its consequences, it’s the position the EU has taken (toeing the US line, i.e., unconditionally pro-Kiev) and US-inspired sanctions that the EU voluntarily introduced. Many EU countries also supply Kiev regime with weapons, ammo, and provide personnel training. Material and political EU help to the Kiev regime won’t change the outcome of this war, it can only prolong it. This is in the US interests: have Russians and Ukrainians kill as many of each other as possible.

    The EU destroyed any goodwill Russians had towards Europe. Funny thing is, as the policy of the EU countries is theft (unlawfully taking possession of someone else’s property is theft, check the criminal code of any country) of assets of any RF person or commercial entity, these actions gave pause even to pro-European Russian opposition. Not that it matters much in the grand scheme of things: this opposition had internal support in single digits, which now dropped even further. Economic sanctions damage the EU and do not change the behavior of the RF. In brief, Europe voluntarily chose to shoot itself in the foot. It can only blame itself that it hurts.

    As to dependence, Europe does not have the resources to support its remaining industry and current lifestyle of its residents. Thus, it has to import resources from elsewhere. Oil and NG in meaningful quantities can be purchased from three sources: Middle East, Russia, and the US. You choose the source and you are stuck with the price this source charges. Middle Eastern countries refused to increase their production, as the US demanded (likely because they don’t want to end up on the loosing side), so Europe can only choose between the US and RF. It’s your choice, it’s your money. As my grandma used to say, there are two fools in the marketplace, one is selling, the other is buying.

    You are right about Minsk agreements, but today that’s irrelevant: life is irreversible. There will be no return to pre-2022. We’ll see whether Europe manages to salvage anything yet. My bet is, it won’t, and will go down the drain, as American competitors planned. The price of European assets will plummet, and the US elites will scoop them on the cheap. Mission accomplished. The war and subsequent reconstruction of whatever remains of Ukraine and the parts that RF absorbs will cost RF a lot. So, clear beneficiaries of European suicidal policies will be those who do not belong to the US or RF camp. China comes to mind first, but it won’t be alone.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  434. @German_reader

    Russia did blatantly break international law

    The US broke international law so many times, that it does not exist anymore (just in the last 20 years: Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia/Kosovo, Libya, Syria, etc.). So, there was nothing to break. Besides, if you play honestly with a card cheater, you lose because you are stupid. Obviously, Putin is not stupid.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  435. Mr. Hack says:
    @German_reader

    (even if the talk of “genocide” is ridiculous).

    I’ll have to strongly disagree with you here. Why all of the bombings and destruction of Ukrainian schools, libraries, hospitals and cultural and civic buildings by the Russian side? Why are so many ethnic Ukrainians including children, being shipped to Russia and separated from family members, against their own will? Why are all former Ukrainian schools in the formerly controlled Ukrainian territories being converted over into exclusively Russian only language schools? Up to 43 Ukrainian Orthodox churches have been targeted by Russian forces in Donbas.
    All Saints church burns in Sviatohirsk, Ukraine, on Saturday, June 4. (@GoncharenkoUa/Twitter)

    • Replies: @German_reader
  436. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    I was expecting Germany and France to stand up for themselves in the context of a fight between the US and Russia in the Ukie steppe. Sorely disappointed by the performance of Shultz and Micron.

    Step back and look at the BIG Picture. Scholz, Macron, and Not-The-President Biden are all servants of the European WEF.

    This complete and total Füch Up is not accidental. This is the desired outcome. A futile, flailing, and failing war creates migration.

        • Disrupting energy supplies = More migration
        • Catastrophic food shortages = Even more migration
        • Ukraine as a failed state = Permanent EU migration

    The WEF is not pro-Ukraine. The goal of the exercise is having Russia win in the longest and most painful way.

    The smart move would be for Zelensky and Putin to hammer out an armistice in good faith. However, Zelensky serves Frankfurt banks (including the ECB) not the Ukrainian people.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  437. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Why all of the bombings and destruction of Ukrainian schools, libraries, hospitals and cultural and civic buildings by the Russian side?

    What do you think Mossul looked like after months of bombing?
    Do I think Russia is morally in the right with its war? No, obviously not. But there’s still a world of difference between a conventional war, even one with significant “collateral damage” and occasional war crimes, and a deliberate campaign of genocide.

    Why are so many ethnic Ukrainians including children, being shipped to Russia and separated from family members, against their own will?

    [MORE]

    Obviously I may be mistaken since it’s difficult to get really accurate information, but I find the implicit analogies people are trying to draw here with Stalin-era deportations or the Nazi Lebensborn not very credible.
    SPIEGEL ran a story about Ukrainians who had been “deported” (or “evacuated”, depending on one’s pov) to Russia a few weeks ago, and talked to a former theatre actor and a young woman, both from Mariupol, who had spent time in Russia, but left after a few weeks. There were some elements of their reports that were concerning, especially what seems to be going on in the filtration camps, where Russian authorities apparently looked for people with suspicious tattoos (I take it that means Azov people) or other signs of pro-Ukrainian activism…obviously pressure should be put on Russia to clarify what happened to people “sorted out” in that process, they must be given at least pow status. However, what then happened to the deportees being sent to the Russian interior imo was a far cry from anything in the Stalin era…both the theatre actor and the young woman said they had been treated well, with Russia trying to entice them into accepting Russian citizenship by offering money and jobs (and yes, they also reported that some other deportees were “grateful” for this). The actor and the young woman eventually refused…and after some attempts to persuade them, Russian authorities just let them go, even with some money for their travel expenses (actor is now in Estonia, the young woman in western Europe iirc). And that’s from SPIEGEL, definitely not a pro-Russian outlet.
    Are Russian actions in this regard contrary to international law? I suppose they are…but is it really “genocide” when Russia tries to win over Russophones from Eastern Ukraine for its imperial project with promises of material rewards (admittedly after having destroyed much of their city of origin, with quite a bit of civilian loss of life)? Does the term still have any meaning when employed that way? Is “white genocide” legitimate as a concept after all by those standards? Most people in Eastern Ukraine already speak Russian after all, so one can’t even claim it’s a clear-cut attempt to destroy a lingustic identity (might be a bit different in more mixed areas, like Kherson is if I understand correctly). So imo terms like “genocide” and “war of extermination” are quite transparently propagandistic, not so different from Russia’s absurd WW2 references.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  438. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    The EU destroyed any goodwill Russians had towards Europe.

    God, spare me, Russians aren’t innocent either, sending assassins to Western countries (as Russia did in Berlin in 2019, even if the target may have had it coming), making unhinged threats about nuclear weapons, and above all, conducting an invasion against another country, not with limited aims, but with the goal of turning it into a satellite or annexing large territories, those aren’t exactly actions conducive for positive relations either, what the hell did you expect as reaction to Russia going that far?
    If there is ever to be a rapprochement, we need to get beyond those mutual accusations. But yeah, it looks unlikely now, so I guess we’re just going to call each other “fascists” and “Nazis” for the next 50 years or so, fucking wonderful.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  439. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    I’m curious to know just who exactly are Biden’s handlers from the WEF? The ones directly responsible for writing Biden’s scripts and directing all of his moves? Is it “George Islamo-Soros” that you so often refer to that is actually Biden’s boss?…

    “George Islamo Soros” Head Mullah and the real in cognito ruler of the Western world, in between diaper changes and directives to “Not-the-presidentBiden” Fact or fantasy? Only A123 knows for certain, but he’s not telling. 🙂

  440. Wokechoke says:

    Biden was protected by the FBI and CIA in this election contest with Trump, the laptop scandal was deliberately suppressed by FBI, NSA and CIA. MI6 pitched in against Trump with Kit Steele’s dossier. To suggest that the security state in the US wasn’t committed to a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine is absurd. Trump was impeached to shield arms deals to Ukraine and Zelenskyy. the George Floyd riots were probably fermented by the same folks who are now shipping HIMARS (See who the CEO of Lockheed is) and M777s to Ukieland. Trump was in the way of that policy.

    All your Ukie “patriotism” does is ruin Europe. Euromaidan? Your lot as Europeans? My Royal Irish Ass you are.

  441. @Wokechoke

    Schulz and Micron wouldn’t be there to do that if the CIA-Mossad sex operations didn’t have control files on them. You aren’t paranoid enough.

    : )

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  442. @Mr. Hack

    Your attempts to throw normal Ukrainian sentiments of patriotism under the bridge by posting these few macabre photos of the activities of a very few individuals are feeble attempts indeed.

    If you consider a thousand people screaming “impale the Russians” in a public square to be an expression of normal sentiments of patriotism then you must be as abnormal as your crazy friend AP.

    It’s a weak and pathetic attempt on your part to try and depict all Ukrainians as blood crazed maniacs, which isn’t the case.

    Yet unfortunately it is. Here are your strong social sentiments of patriotism on march. Pure Nazi crap.

    And do not forget that these are the same people who murdered one hundred thousand Polish children and women, and at least the same amount of Jews. These people have not changed a bit.

    Ukrainians have a proud and well deserved world opinion of themselves as being a very tolerant people.

    Tolerant to what – the crimes of their grandparents?

    If they were truly tolerant they would not have been closing Russian schools, and would not have been marching holding portraits of Stepan Bandera, with torches and SS insignia on their flags. Your wonderful Ukrainians are Nazis.

    And what does the world know about them?

    Not a thing.

    Why don’t you post some photos of your Bolshevik relatives that starved and killed millions of Ukrainians and murdered plenty of others for the flimsiest of pretexts?

    Well I do not have any such relatives.

    Your friend AP does have some – ask him. One of his relatives even was acquainted with Lenin. His relatives engineered the Red Terror and established the Gulag system, and later starved to death 8 gazillion of Ukrainians.

    And after that raped 20 million German virgins.

    How many real “Banderite” Nazis really exist in Ukraine today, not ones that are part and parcel of your demented psyche, waiting to jump out from beneath your bed and slit your throat?

    There were 80 thousand of them in the SS Freiwilligen Division Galizien. And I do not know how many in UPA but not less. What makes you think there would be less of them today? Back then they only had the west of Ukraine and now they have all of it.

    Your problem is that you are a good guy but you are also stupid.

    If you were smart you would denounce them and say that as a real Ukrainian you do not support it. But alas, you are one of them – the same as your friend AP. You are denying the truth in order to make yourself feel more comfortable. The same as other Ukrainians do.

    So I guess we are talking about millions. Perhaps even tens of millions.

    But do not worry, only the active ones will be eradicated. Those of your ilk will be de-Nazified through shame and vituperation. Such are the instructions in the Talmud.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  443. @German_reader

    as Russia did in Berlin in 2019

    Sorry to disappoint, but your lugenpresse lied to you (that’s why it’s appropriately called lugenpresse). However vile the murdered bandit was, Russia did not send the person who killed him. Maybe it should have, but it didn’t.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  444. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN

    You can’t know that, Russian security services being behind it are the most likely explanation.
    Not that the person killed was a big loss (shouldn’t have been in Germany anyway), but it still was an unfriendly act by Russia.

  445. @AnonfromTN

    Actually as I have explained many times on this forum Russia did not break any international law.

    The international law states that if two countries are recognized by each other and such a recognition was ratified by their parliaments, they are within their absolutely legitimate right to form a military alliance or to request a military aid from each other.

    Such an alliance does not require any further ratification by a third country or the UN and is based on the premise that a domestic national law takes precedence over an international law. And on top of that there is a precedent with Kosovo.

    This war is legitimate – such is the law.

  446. Mr. Hack says:
    @German_reader

    It’s been stated that somewhere between 900,000 and 1.6 million Ukrainians have been kidnapped and sent to Russia against their will. Mass depotions of this nature are considered part and parcel of the definition of genocide. Here’s a good article that provides valuable information about this sort of thing:

    Russia’s mass deportations, and especially its forced transfer of chil dren, are central to the case that Russia has also committed genocide in Ukraine.

    https://theconversation.com/russias-mass-kidnappings-of-ukrainians-are-a-page-out-of-a-wartime-playbook-and-evidence-of-genocide-187065

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Wokechoke
  447. Wokechoke says:
    @German_reader

    You mean the FSB shot a renegade Chechen Muslim in Berlin, who’d blown up a Moscow Metro station…right? The German’s refused to send him back to face a trial? right?

    Just to be clear.

    40-year-old Selimkhan Khangoshvili, an ethnic Chechen of Georgian birth, freely walking around in Berlin.

    Imagine if the Ohkrana had killed Iosef Stalin Djugashvili sheltering in London! Or Lenin in Geneva! Or the Ukie Jew Trotsky in New York! no red Army. No Red Czar. No USSR. It’s a funny old world.

  448. @German_reader

    Russian security services being behind it are the most likely explanation.

    Do you know a court of law (not a kangaroo court) that accepts “most likely” as proof? That was an unproven allegation. Someone might claim that you are “most likely” a Martian. Does that prove anything? From a legal standpoint (in this case it coincides with common sense standpoint) it does not.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  449. AP says:

    While Russian troops burn down Ukrainian churches, here is a party in Moscow with Putin’s artist-friend Kirkirov:

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  450. Wokechoke says:
    @AnonfromTN

    To be fair it sounds like the Chechen of Georgian birth literally had it coming. He bombed a train station as a terrorist.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  451. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The name of the author of that article, Alexander Laban Hinton, seemed vaguely familiar…and looking him up, I remembered having read a short piece by him about the Khmer Rouge last year. Which actually seemed pretty good to me…unfortunately it looks like he’s just another US liberal whose mind has been broken in the last few years, given his more recent work:

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    “Fortunately Hinton does not leave us with problems, but has a solution too: A Truth Commission on White Supremacy and Its Legacies that would extend beyond the aims of the reparations bill following the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, and open a discussion about the perpetrations of white nationalists and supremacists in a past yet unaccounted for. The understanding Hinton provides to events marking US history is objective, nuanced and noble, and teaches us readers that in seeking to define and judge phenomena and people intelligently, accurately and critically, these must necessarily be placed in the continuum of time and space.”

    In any case, there’s nothing in his The Conversation piece that indicates any special knowledge about what is currently going on in Eastern Ukraine/Russia. It’s not even clear that he understands Russian, so he may know as much/little as me. His only “argument” is “Secretary of state Blinken said” and “The Soviet Union deported lots of peoples 80 years ago”. That’s not much.

  452. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Schulz and Micron wouldn’t be there to do that if the CIA-Mossad sex operations didn’t have control files on them.

    Yes, they behave as if the CIA or its affiliate spy agency (you forgot MI6 and BND) has strong blackmail material on them. However, it does not mean that they have. After all, a fool behaves like a fool w/o anyone who can blackmail him. Besides, Macron is a Rothschild banker, which explains his behavior 100% w/o additional hypotheses. Schulz is just a spineless piece of shit, always was, always will be.

  453. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    it was pointed out by Reader that the author is a specialist in Genocide studies and more or less hates an expression of White interests.

    Good allied writer you got there.

  454. @German_reader

    …replacing it with dependence on much more expensive American LNG, this will lead to massive de-industrialization.

    It is equal to saying in 1973 that Arab oil embargo and subsequent price schock will inevitably lead to massive de-automobilization in the West , while instead massive gas guzzler engines went extinct and were replaced with more efficient ones as petrol savings became profitable affair.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  455. @Wokechoke

    He bombed a train station as a terrorist.

    Yes, he was a terrorist. Yes, he deserved a slow and painful death. So, considering what he was guilty of, his quick murder was too humane. BTW, Germany is not alone in shielding terrorists. In fact, UK is shielding more Chechen terrorists that Germany. But all of it is small potatoes in comparison with CIA training, supplying, and funding ISIS and others of their ilk. In supporting terrorists KSA is hopelessly behind the US (not for the lack of trying).

  456. German_reader says:
    @sudden death

    You have no idea what’s already going on in Germany…one example:
    https://www.verkehrsrundschau.de/nachrichten/nfz-fuhrpark/adblue-versorgung-produktion-bei-skw-piesteritz-steht-still-3225515
    Nitrogen works in Saxony-Anhalt, a major producer of fertilizer and AdBlue (an additive used in diesel engines), has stopped production because of the price of gas…regarding one of their ammonium plants:

    Es rechne sich aktuell nicht, eine wieder zur Verfügung stehende Ammoniakanlage hochzufahren. Mit dem Betrieb würde man in einem Monat so viel verlieren, wie man im Jahr an Gewinn erwirtschafte,

    “It wouldn’t be profitable to turn on the ammonium plant again at the current moment, because keeping it running for a single month would cost the profits of an entire year.

    Of course this is all compounded by the present government being composed of incompetents and ideological maniacs (they’ll keep two atomic power plants running…until April 2023, lol).
    German industry is screwed in any case. Since it doesn’t look like there’ll be a political solution to the war in Ukraine any time soon, this is now unavoidable. I suppose Americans and Russians can bond in their common schadenfreude over the stupid Europoors.

    • LOL: Yevardian
  457. @German_reader

    Will repeat again – short term pain is sadly inevitable, but natgas saving innovations and replacement technologies (made by German industry too btw) will become very profitable in such enviroment and will be implemented en masse from now on.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  458. @German_reader

    You can dismiss all arguments against refugee mass immigration, not just a rise in crime, but also the economic consequences, and the massive changes in the cultural and ethnic composition of the receiving countries.

    Economic consequences are the reason for that entire refugee crisis. It was manufactured to bring more immigrants to Europe in order to prevent the inevitable economic crisis.

    Look at the countries that have not started to accept refugees on a large scale.

    The size of population that does not work is growing 5-10 percent per 2 decades. Considering these countries have 20 percent of them now how much will it get to in another 2 decades?

    30 percent in one generation, 40 percent in two. How will those people be fed and who will feed them?

    The solution to this problem is to bring Arabs – because the Arabs have more than one kid. An Arab can have 4-5 children. A European has one or two. The situation requires more children to be made. Therefore, these countries need Arabs.

    And look at the countries that have brought a significant amount of Arabs – and keep in mind that a lot of these Arabs have not started making babies so far.

    Yet the situation is improving, and will keep getting better.

    You right-wingers are so shallow – talk some bullshit about culture and classical music, gothic architecture and other such things, about which you really know nothing.

    You can whine about cultural and ethnic composition and the great replacement and islamization and whatever but cannot stop masturbating watching negroes screw white women on the internet.

    Wake up!

    Stop watching porn and start making babies. Find a real woman and throw that rubber doll or whatever it is you are banging. Stop being a homo – a man having sex with other men is an abomination.

    And stop talking that shit about immigration. These immigrants will bear children who will take care of your fat arses when you are old.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  459. LatW says:
    @Yahya

    For all the bruhaha about “migrant rapes” and what have you, migrant-full Germany is still far safer than migrant-free Eastern Europe.

    Well, whatever is the crime level in any given country, it doesn’t justify flooding those countries with more non-European foreigners. That’s the bottom line.

    • Agree: S, Barbarossa, A123
    • Replies: @Yahya
  460. Sean says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I’m not sure that Ukrainians were doubting that Russia was not bluffing. […] Ukrainian grievances of Russian heavy handedness and today’s unmistakable Russian attempts at Ukrainian genocide

    Geopolitical geocide, inasmuch Russia wanted to defacto reabsorb Ukraine and kill its independence, and in geopolitics (where countries are living things) Ukraine would be expected to sacrifice any number of its people to maintain itself as a separate country when presented with an invasion.

    Ukraine was so intent on becoming a part of European political and military structures.

    Which was in effect daring Russia to fulfill its threats without having any way of stopping Russia doing just that. Ukraine could have stood alone militarily with its own nuclear weapons and then it would not need to join Nato. But Ukraine’s leader shook down the West for bribes to renounce nuclear weapons. An important reason Ukraine wanted to join Nato is signaling their willingness to do so would get them in the EU much faster than would otherwise be possible, and in the EU Ukraine would have money thrown at it.

    How about you, are you moved by the bravery that the Ukrainian side is showing?

    I admire animal courage, even in a dangerous criminal who is so unafraid of possible consequences he totally pisses his life away in prison. But I also appreciate someone who picks his battles and does not start something he cannot finish to his advantage. Bravery does did not brook threats whether genuine or bluff. Maybe there is a big down side to bravery being the sole virtue at the service of a state fighting to survive in one piece rather than losing a quarter of its territory by annexation and emigration.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  461. @German_reader

    German industry is screwed in any case.

    You forgot to mention that German industry is screwed by German government policies. What would be your estimate of the IQ of people who supply weapons and ammo to the army that fights Russia and expect that same Russia to provide them natural gas? I’d say below clinical imbecility.

    What’s more, Germany can’t blame anyone else. You can’t even blame the empire: if puny Cuba, Nicaragua, or Bolivia can stand up to it, why can’t a hundred times stronger Germany?

    the present government being composed of incompetents and ideological maniacs

    C’mon, you are supposed to be a democracy. You have presumably elected that trash. Enjoy.

  462. Wokechoke says:
    @sudden death

    Natgas was billed as the clean energy source.

    There’s only so much hydrogen locked in convenient packets.

  463. @German_reader

    Ah, but don’t worry, the German government is hard at work hammering out solutions!

    I heard that the proposal for speed limits on the Autobahn is being reintroduced as an emergency fuel saving measure. If implemented it’s expected to save 1.5% of the fuel expended on the Autobahn.

    See…your pessimism is completely unjustified!

  464. Yahya says:
    @LatW

    Well, whatever is the crime level in any given country, it doesn’t justify flooding those countries with more non-European foreigners. That’s the bottom line.

    Okay, so the rightoid argument against migration basically boils down to “we don’t want no brown people around here”. It’s good to know all this concern about “crime” and “economics” is just a cover for some base redneck instincts.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    , @Coconuts
    , @LatW
  465. S says:
    @Wokechoke

    Anglo Saxon societies have a unique in group and out group mentality. Emmanuel Todd looked closely at it.

    Thanks. I appreciate the insight provided by this and your following related post.

  466. LatW says:
    @Yahya

    My original post was meant to counter LatW’s silly suggestion that Germans needed to start “preparing to face them”

    I wasn’t even thinking of Germans in particular, just that one needs to be prepared to face such assaults, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are.

    For all the bruhaha about “migrant rapes” and what have you, migrant-full Germany is still far safer than migrant-free Eastern Europe.

    The context of these crimes can be different. In the EE these crimes take place within certain groups, if you avoid those groups or demographics, you are safe. It is very seldom that someone jumps on you at the store or attacks spontaneously on the street (granted, it’s rare in Western Europe as well, but there is practically no such stuff in many parts of EE). Also, there is a very big difference in how migrants and local men approach women. EE doesn’t need any of that.

    And Eastern Europeans, who come from countries that are more violent on average than Middle Eastern nations.

    Not sure this is true, but those E.Europeans who are out of control shouldn’t be there either. There are too many of them in Western Europe.

    Btw, Yahya, I don’t want to express animosity. The ones who are in the Baltic States right now, all seem to be doing honest work. But, still, it’s a matter of principle for nationalists that their presence be curtailed.

    • Agree: S
    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  467. @Yahya

    Okay, so the rightoid argument against migration basically boils down to “we don’t want no brown people around here”. It’s good to know all this concern about “crime” and “economics” is just a cover for some base redneck instincts.

    Said it as if it was some bad thing, lol

    Somehow doubt this kind of shaming attempt will work here, majority of people here seem quite immune to this type of replacement mental rationalizations.

    • Troll: Yahya
  468. Problematic but inevitable: increasingly shrill voices in our media are calling for shutting off electricity exports to Northern Germany completely.

    It started relatively contained within the far-left but has now spread like wildfire; even mainstream center-right papers like Göteborgsposten are joining the fray.

    I had wished for a united Europe this winter but if trends intensify then we could see a “every man for himself” scenario. Still hopeful we won’t succumb to our worst instincts. Solidarity more needed than ever.

  469. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    Maybe, though I don’t really believe in the white backlash that is supposedly always just around the corner.

    Yes, it’s hard to say if it will happen and it might be quite weird or dark if it does. I was thinking of this because it seems like a lot of significant things were conceded pretty quickly, making personal narrative and subjective/qualitative aspects so important (even in parts of the criminal law in the UK), the centrality of ethnicity and group identity compared to individuals, accepting that there are what seem like massive conspiracies and biases running though academia etc.

    So far this has been more advantageous to the progressive side, because the ideas are novel and the right has been more taken by surprise (due to boomercon/Classical Liberal mindset), it could be harder to predict where these ideas might go in the future as they become absorbed and more familiar.

    Certainly something like decolonisation, large movement of people into the UK for permanent residence and changing the culture and institutions to closer match the ones of their origin cultures is supposed to be liberating the native British from their dark history and some kind of suboptimal ‘white’ social state; I remember living where there was a large Pakistani community and it wasn’t the obvious feeling you would get irl. This sort of idea could turn out to be a hostage to fortune in the longer run.

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    As far as the reasons some of this was adopted and pushed so rapidly, there seems to be a natural tendency in progressive ideas to constantly radicalise and push forward (even when it takes them to bizarre places), also, I think Populism may have made them overly eager to find a counter and way of containing or pushing it back, increasing receptivity to what are in fact pretty odd or extreme ideas. They may have predicted demographic change had the potential to further feed the Populist side if measures weren’t taken.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  470. @Mikel

    Gorbachaev half understood the problems, which is perhaps all that could have been expected but did almost nothing of consequence to deal with them. Such little as he did was in reverse order of priority. The main economic problem in the SU was prices. Prices ere set by the state at fantasy levels. Gorbachaev did not address this leaving it to Yeltsin who simply abolished price control overnight leading to disasterous inflation amplified by the central bank printing money because Yeltsin had a tiny tax base. Under Gorbachaev, the mismatch with international prices also created huge opportunities for corruption with internal prices for raw materials being much lower than international ones. So those favoured few with export licences bought at Soviet prices and sold at internatinal prices. The difference was kept offshore until some was required for the voucher purchases. Hence the Russian economy passed to well connected younger party members who had been asked to manage all the strange new businesses like trading and banking.

  471. @Thulean Friend


    Twitter’s cookie java scripts break A123’s smartphone you inconsiderate beast. Your solidarity skills could use an upgrade. : )

  472. Coconuts says:
    @Yahya

    Probably it relates to an intuition about something like this:

    An association endures on the basis of a personal act of will sustained over time, but the nation, on the contrary, endures due to a kind of general activity which predates in time and is superior in value to any individual person’s whims or choice. The nation is a natural society, or what amounts to exactly the same thing, it is historic. It’s decisive character is birth. No one chooses their nation, the land of their ancestors, any more than they choose their own father and mother. Someone is born French by an accident of birth, in the same way as one might be born a Montmorency or a Bourbon. Above all it is a hereditary phenomena.